Re: [WISPA] Ever wonder how bad RB333/444 stacked cards interfere?

Have you tested pseudobridge to achieve a similar affect without WDS? -Original Message- From: Tom DeReggi [mailto:wirelessn...@rapiddsl.net] Sent: 28 April 2010 01:41 To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] Ever wonder how bad RB333/444 stacked cards interfere? Yes, WDS adds signifi

Re: [WISPA] New WISP

I agree that Coding is not equal to Networking. But as I noted... programming IOS or even chucking in routes using command-line on Mikrotik "looks" like coding. I guess my point was that if you want to start a WISP, be prepared to get your "hands dirty". At some point, you are likely to find t

Re: [WISPA] New WISP

Larry is correct. I've went towards Mikrotik in these instances due to the overwhelming amount of "Go To" people and a Wiki on just about anything Mikrotik out there. Not to mention the cut and paste drop in scripts available. Bob- -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org

Re: [WISPA] MT PtP

If the link is good I would enable nstreme. Pay attention to your over the air rates. If they tend to ³flap² I would lock out the higher rates. You will get a better CCQ out of the link by doing that. If it were me I would enable WDS unless you are using the ³CPE² end as a station in router m

Re: [WISPA] MT PtP

What 350mw card are you using? I wouldn't use anything less than XR5 or R5H because their receive sensitivity is so much better. Plus you will use MMCX connectors with these two cards which is going to save you a lot of headaches over u.fl. Also definitely turn on N-stream. I had a link that was bo

Re: [WISPA] MT PtP

Have you used the r5h? The r52n is very disappointing. On 4/28/10, Kurt Fankhauser wrote: > What 350mw card are you using? I wouldn't use anything less than XR5 or R5H > because their receive sensitivity is so much better. Plus you will use MMCX > connectors with these two cards which is going t

Re: [WISPA] MT PtP

FWIW I've been very pleased with the R52HN. On 4/28/2010 8:30 AM, Josh Luthman wrote: > Have you used the r5h? The r52n is very disappointing. > > On 4/28/10, Kurt Fankhauser wrote: > >> What 350mw card are you using? I wouldn't use anything less than XR5 or R5H >> because their receive se

Re: [WISPA] New WISP

Very few but not zero...Wispmon will manage just about all daily operational aspects of a WISP. It was designed to do just that. FYI. On Tue, Apr 27, 2010 at 4:15 PM, Larry Yunker wrote: > For what it is worth... running a successful WISP will require a certain > level of technical expertise and

Re: [WISPA] MT PtP

Me too. Power output is the same as the SR5 (tested on a 30 mile link), yet the receive level is 6db better. :) Travis Microserv Randy Cosby wrote: > FWIW I've been very pleased with the R52HN. > > > > On 4/28/2010 8:30 AM, Josh Luthman wrote: > >> Have you used the r5h? The r52n is very dis

Re: [WISPA] MT PtP

I did fine with the R52HN cards until one of the RouterOS upgrades and my performance dropped. Swapped them all out. Using them in laptops now where they do a darn good job. Bob- -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Rand

Re: [WISPA] MT PtP

What about N-stream with 900Mhz? Is that just asking for trouble? Bob- -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Kurt Fankhauser Sent: Wednesday, April 28, 2010 10:23 AM To: aajayi...@as-technologies.com; 'WISPA General List' S

Re: [WISPA] MT PtP

Wait, N-Stream will work with non-mikrotik cards? I thought it was locked into only MT cards? Bob- -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Robert West Sent: Wednesday, April 28, 2010 11:58 AM To: 'WISPA General List' Subject:

Re: [WISPA] MT PtP

I run all my rb411/XR9 setups with nstream. Seams to keep em nice and steady. Steve Barnes Manager PCS-WIN RC-WiFi Wireless Internet Service -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Robert West Sent: Wednesday, April 28, 2010 1

Re: [WISPA] MT PtP

Pretty sure it's just Atheros. Haven't tried nstreme and Prism... Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373 “Success is not final, failure is not fatal: it is the courage to continue that counts.” --- Winston Churchill On Wed, Apr 28, 2010 a

Re: [WISPA] MT PtP

With one radio. So if using one radio, do you add a second antenna to the setup to give you full duplex or how are you setting it all up? I've only seen it running with dual cards so I'm kinda interested in the single card setup. Bob- -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org

Re: [WISPA] MT PtP

I think you are talking NSTREME dual tab on the wireless table. That is for full duplex which some love and some hate. If you go into the individual wireless card interface there is a Nstreme tab to enable and disable that on that one card. >From MT Nstreme pdf: The nstreme protocol is Mikr

Re: [WISPA] bandwidth available

In the words of a good friend, never underestimate the bandwidth of a Ford Pinto loaded with CDs / DVDs traveling 90 miles per hour down the highway. Where are you located? We've got some pretty good contracts in place. Marco On Tue, Apr 27, 2010 at 10:10 PM, Mike wrote: > Marco, could you jus

Re: [WISPA] MT PtP

Yep, you're right. Wasn't aware of using on single card. Thanks! Bob- -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Steve Barnes Sent: Wednesday, April 28, 2010 12:22 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] MT PtP I think y

Re: [WISPA] MT PtP

Works good for me. Robert West wrote: What about N-stream with 900Mhz? Is that just asking for trouble? Bob- -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Kurt Fankhauser Sent: Wednesday, April 28, 2010 10:23 AM To: aajayi.

Re: [WISPA] MT PtP

Works on Prism, but ALL cards connected to AP must be Prism Josh Luthman wrote: Pretty sure it's just Atheros. Haven't tried nstreme and Prism... Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373 “Success is not final, failure is not fatal: it

Re: [WISPA] New WISP

Larry , Shmary, he don't know jack about running a xISP. Just kidding, Larry knows more about being an xISP than Jer. ;) -- Original Message -- From: "Robert West" Reply-To: WISPA General List Date: Wed, 28 Apr 2010 09:32:13 -0400 >Larry is correct. I

[WISPA] QOS tc filter examples

I am finding that I need to improve the QOS of my network (I picked up a few customers with lots of teens, etc). Right now I use tc rules to limit everyone to the contracted speeds, but would like to use tc filter rules to give KNOWN GOOD traffic a good priority and UNKNOWN traffic a lesser pr

Re: [WISPA] bandwidth available

Marco: Toledo, IA. South Tama County. West of Cedar Rapids; east of Marshalltown. (out in the sticks) Friendly Regards, Mike -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Marco Coelho Sent: Wednesday, April 28, 2010 11:47 AM To:

Re: [WISPA] MT PtP

How much throughput are you getting on the 900mhz with N-stream? 10mhz and 5mhz channels? Kurt Fankhauser WAVELINC P.O. Box 126 Bucyrus, OH 44820 419-562-6405 www.wavelinc.com _ From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Blair Davis Sent: W

[WISPA] China set to tighten state-secrets law forcing Internet firms to inform on users

BEIJING -- China is poised to strengthen a law requiring telecommunications and Internet companies to inform on customers who discuss state secrets, potentially forcing businesses to collaborate with the country's vast, dissent-stifling security apparatus...

Re: [WISPA] MT PtP

Yes I have used the R5H and LOVE IT. Very nice card and a good price. I think it performs better than the XR5. However some people say that the card burns up easily but I run them all locked at 20db power output for all the modulation rates. I do this for two reasons. First so that the signal level

Re: [WISPA] MT PtP

I use 20 MHz channels and don't have any I can turn down to get a test at the moment. Usually get 4-5 MB at the best. Steve Barnes Manager PCS-WIN RC-WiFi Wireless Internet Service -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Kurt

Re: [WISPA] MT PtP

I've had two burn out from the connector popping off for whatever reason. I learned to tape them on after that. But even with that, I finally pulled them all down. But they really do make for a great dual band card for laptops, the R52H ones, that is. Since we run both 2.4 and 5.8 I can see eve

[WISPA] Antenna Mast/Tower

We are looking into a mast/tv tower type product for our client installations, I'm interested what others are using to accomplish this today. Looking for the best compromise between low cost and labor. Regards Michael Baird --

Re: [WISPA] QOS tc filter examples

Contact Butch Evans, pay small amount for his script, problem solved! -RickG On Wed, Apr 28, 2010 at 1:28 PM, Jason Wallace wrote: > I am finding that I need to improve the QOS of my network (I picked up a > few customers with lots of teens, etc).  Right now I use tc rules to > limit everyone to

Re: [WISPA] MT PtP

Mmcx connector popped off??? On 4/28/10, Robert West wrote: > I've had two burn out from the connector popping off for whatever reason. I > learned to tape them on after that. But even with that, I finally pulled > them all down. But they really do make for a great dual band card for > laptops

Re: [WISPA] MT PtP

What is the general or best case throughput on these radios in PTP configuration (speed/distance)? I googled for it, but saw a lot of very old post with conflicting info. I need to build a backup link for one of our primary's and if the MT's can do the job all the better! Kurt Fankhauser wrote

Re: [WISPA] QOS tc filter examples

Is there no script that does something similar that is in the public domain? Even something basic to start with? Greg On Apr 28, 2010, at 2:26 PM, RickG wrote: > Contact Butch Evans, pay small amount for his script, problem solved! -RickG > > On Wed, Apr 28, 2010 at 1:28 PM, Jason Wallace wro

Re: [WISPA] Antenna Mast/Tower

For me every install is different so other than the j-arm mounts, it's a crap shoot on what we need. I keep my eye out for used tower sections and even knock on doors to see if I can have old American Tower TV towers that are no longer needed. Plus the local scrap yard keeps an eye out too so for

Re: [WISPA] MT PtP

Go figure. -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Josh Luthman Sent: Wednesday, April 28, 2010 3:00 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] MT PtP Mmcx connector popped off??? On 4/28/10, Robert West wrote: > I've ha

Re: [WISPA] MT PtP

I had a link with XR5 at each end with 2ft dishes at each end that was 18.5 miles with no issue. I needed more throughput so went to Radwin radios with the same antennas. Steve Barnes Manager PCS-WIN RC-WiFi Wireless Internet Service -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org

Re: [WISPA] MT PtP

Oh, no, not the MMCX! That stupid U.fl crap. Love the MMCX. All my MT cards are u.fl, I couldn't afford the MMCX MT. Crazy premium for good connectors. -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Josh Luthman Sent: Wednesday, Ap

Re: [WISPA] QOS tc filter examples

I'm currently using tc in linux but have been debating on loading Mikrotic's RouterOS onto a high-end server and have it handle the QoS for our network as it seems a lot easier to configure. Is anyone else doing this and have you found it to work well? Greg Ihnen wrote: > Is there no script tha

Re: [WISPA] MT PtP

Some people say there is 1db or 2db loss on the pigtail due to the MMCX connector. This is not the MMCX connectors fault but it is due to the connector being a "right angle" connector. I finally caught on to this when I was testing a right angle barrel N-connector versus a straight barrel N-connect

Re: [WISPA] QOS tc filter examples

Dozens of people including myself do QOS on MT with good x86 hardware. We are all very happy. On 4/28/10, Bret Clark wrote: > I'm currently using tc in linux but have been debating on loading > Mikrotic's RouterOS onto a high-end server and have it handle the QoS > for our network as it seems a

Re: [WISPA] MT PtP

For ufl use hot glue. Works wonders. Little dab around the connector and another to attach the coax to the minipci board for leverage. On 4/28/10, Robert West wrote: > Oh, no, not the MMCX! That stupid U.fl crap. Love the MMCX. > > All my MT cards are u.fl, I couldn't afford the MMCX MT. Cra

Re: [WISPA] Antenna Mast/Tower

For a tower mount I would definitely usee WB's tower mount. It's new to the market but been used for their own WISP. I think it's wb-tow or wb-twr at wbmfg.com On 4/28/10, Michael Baird wrote: > We are looking into a mast/tv tower type product for our client > installations, I'm interested what

Re: [WISPA] Antenna Mast/Tower

I can drive to American Tower from my house and get there in 20 minutes :) If you are looking for anything that's not an actual tower check out this company. http://www.skywalker.com/ I use them for roof mounts, mast mounts, and any other kind of mount you didn't even know existed they have it.

Re: [WISPA] bandwidth available

Can you give me a physical address and who is the LEC? marco On Wed, Apr 28, 2010 at 12:33 PM, Mike wrote: > Marco: > > Toledo, IA.  South Tama County.  West of Cedar Rapids; east of Marshalltown. > (out in the sticks) > > Friendly Regards, > > Mike > > -Original Message- > From: wireles

Re: [WISPA] QOS tc filter examples

Rick,     I had considered that.  Then I read Butch's blog about when he developed it, and there were a few things that I think would prevent it from working correctly in my network: 1. His script seems to be tailored for RouterOS; he mentions that the script uses the PCQ qdisc (which is Router

Re: [WISPA] QOS tc filter examples

I started my linux experience with Mastershaper - www.mastershaper.org If you can play with a system, set an IP address, have it generate all the rules for you, you'd be able to generate all other rules per IP off of that. The project looked to be dead for a while, but it's getting a little l

Re: [WISPA] QOS tc filter examples

I would advise MT for traffic shaping. ImageStream and a lot of work can do stuff, too. I'd stay away from anything that takes a lot of effort like tc. 50 bucks will save you a LOT of time. As we all know time=money. On 4/28/10, Jason Wallace wrote: > Rick, >     I had considered that.  Then

Re: [WISPA] MT PtP

The right angle N connector should not be trusted unless it is an Amphenol. Many of the imports have a ball point pen spring inside that does the right angle. Good ones have an actual piece of metal. -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org]

Re: [WISPA] QOS tc filter examples

I understand. His script truly improved my network and was worth every penny. It is obvious he put a lot of time into it. Sure, a guy could sit there and build it himself but whats the time worth. Obviously, there is no "one size fits all" so perhaps Butch has another or can tailor it to fit your n

Re: [WISPA] QOS tc filter examples

The template itself is quite dynamic but just mention any individual things that require addition attention. Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373 “Success is not final, failure is not fatal: it is the courage to continue that counts.” ---

Re: [WISPA] Ever wonder how bad RB333/444 stacked cards interfere?

Pseudobridge has tested to perform almost exactly the same as Station mode. It does NOT have the same slowness side effects as WDS. For us, it looks like pseduobridge might work for us for the client side, because we dont use layer2 protocols across the wireless link to the customer... That mig

Re: [WISPA] MT PtP

Ive never had a problem keeping them on, just taking them off. For example, if having a link problem, and want to swap mPCI to see if it helps. Thats when UFls can break, and why I prefer MMCX. Tom DeReggi RapidDSL & Wireless, Inc IntAirNet- Fixed Wireless Broadband - Original Message

Re: [WISPA] QOS tc filter examples

Rick, Are you talking about a static config, or a script which does decision making and changes parameters? Greg On Apr 28, 2010, at 6:53 PM, RickG wrote: > I understand. His script truly improved my network and was worth every > penny. It is obvious he put a lot of time into it. Sure,

Re: [WISPA] Ever wonder how bad RB333/444 stacked cards interfere?

I have seen Pseudobridge on the Mikrotik side give OSPF issues. For the customer side no issues. But with OSPF and pseudobridge you have duplicate Mac addresses due to the nature of how it works. This can cause issues when running OSPF, at least in our experience. Had a network of 90 some b

Re: [WISPA] Ever wonder how bad RB333/444 stacked cards interfere?

Yup... same here. OSPF does not work with anything but WDS. Travis Microserv Justin Wilson wrote: > I have seen Pseudobridge on the Mikrotik side give OSPF issues. For the > customer side no issues. But with OSPF and pseudobridge you have duplicate > Mac addresses due to the nature of how i

[WISPA] You're going to love this... New IRS rules

http://www.cato-at-liberty.org/2010/04/26/costly-irs-mandate-slipped-into-health-bill/ It requires 1099's for EVERY entity you do more than $600 business with a year. Gas station. Walmart, your landlord, a $700 used car or truck.Ebay purchases, ALL require 1099's now if you go over $600 a

Re: [WISPA] You're going to love this... New IRS rules

This is not correct. Please don't spread FUD. Check with your CPA to find out who and when you need to 1099. Only Individuals get 1099s, and only for services- not merchandise. -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of MDK Sent:

Re: [WISPA] You're going to love this... New IRS rules

This has always been in effect for individuals. Its not for entities and its surely not new -B- Sent from my Verizon Wireless BlackBerry -Original Message- From: "MDK" Date: Wed, 28 Apr 2010 19:40:21 To: WISPA General List Subject: [WISPA] You're going to love this... New IRS rules

Re: [WISPA] You're going to love this... New IRS rules

Quickbooks can spit them out for you easily and automatically. Sure, it will take some time to collect TINs the first year it's in effect, but after that, the work is only incremental and highly automatable. Dave MDK wrote: http://www.cato-at-liberty.org/2010/04/26/costly-irs-mandate-slipped

Re: [WISPA] You're going to love this... New IRS rules

It looks to me like there might have been a change ralph On 4/28/2010 7:48 PM, Ralph wrote: > This is not correct. Please don't spread FUD. > Check with your CPA to find out who and when you need to 1099. > Only Individuals get 1099s, and only for services- not merchandise. > > > -Original Mes

[WISPA] WISPA Attracts Over 100 followers on Twitter

We passed 100 followers on Twitter today. While it isn't that many, I have a feeling many WISPs don't even use Twitter yet. It is a powerful tool for WISPA to get the word out on new posts on the webpage, tradeshow info and other important announcements we want to make to anyone who wants to list

Re: [WISPA] New WISP

Who is Jack? - Original Message - From: "Stuart Pierce" To: "WISPA General List" Sent: Wednesday, April 28, 2010 2:18 PM Subject: Re: [WISPA] New WISP > Larry , Shmary, he don't know jack about running a xISP. Just kidding, > Larry knows more about being an xISP than Jer. > > ;) > >

Re: [WISPA] MT PtP

I use a hammer. works well. - Original Message - From: "Josh Luthman" To: "WISPA General List" Sent: Wednesday, April 28, 2010 3:30 PM Subject: Re: [WISPA] MT PtP For ufl use hot glue. Works wonders. Little dab around the connector and another to attach the coax to the minipci boa

Re: [WISPA] You're going to love this... New IRS rules

I'll just keep doing what I'm doing no matter what stuff is inserted in whatever. I'l probably be one of everyone else in ignoring it. Bob- - Original Message - From: "MDK" To: "WISPA General List" Sent: Wednesday, April 28, 2010 10:40 PM Subject: [WISPA] You're going to love this..

Re: [WISPA] QOS tc filter examples

Butch added queue trees and some other stuff. The best thing to do is ask him. On Wed, Apr 28, 2010 at 8:15 PM, Greg Ihnen wrote: > Rick, > >        Are you talking about a static config, or a script which does decision > making and changes parameters? > > Greg > > On Apr 28, 2010, at 6:53 PM, R

Re: [WISPA] MT PtP

That helps with the frustration! I recommend a 5 pound sledge :) On Thu, Apr 29, 2010 at 12:01 AM, Robert West wrote: > I use a hammer.  works well. > > > - Original Message - > From: "Josh Luthman" > To: "WISPA General List" > Sent: Wednesday, April 28, 2010 3:30 PM > Subject: Re: [WIS

Re: [WISPA] You're going to love this... New IRS rules

Ralph, Which part of "Basically, businesses will have to issue 1099s whenever they do more than $600 of business with another entity in a year." is FUD? On Wed, Apr 28, 2010 at 10:48 PM, Ralph wrote: > This is not correct. Please don't spread FUD. > Check with your CPA to find out who and when y

Re: [WISPA] QOS tc filter examples

Well "all it is" is in /ip firewall mangle and /queue tree but that's like saying "all I need is Internet". Is that just IP with no DNS? Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373 “Success is not final, failure is not fatal: it is the courage t

Re: [WISPA] You're going to love this... New IRS rules

Isn't that how it goes though? How much time and/or expense does it take to run your business for "work" that has nothing to do with your service? With all due respect, just because Quickbooks can do it "easily" doesnt mean it should be imposed on a business owner. And when you get down to it, when

Re: [WISPA] QOS tc filter examples

Heck, I would've wanted to type all the lines of "code" he put in there, let alone make sure it works! It wouldve taken me hours if not days! On Thu, Apr 29, 2010 at 12:19 AM, Josh Luthman wrote: > Well "all it is" is in /ip firewall mangle and /queue tree but that's like > saying "all I need is

Re: [WISPA] QOS tc filter examples

I think you mean would not have wanted to... Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373 “Success is not final, failure is not fatal: it is the courage to continue that counts.” --- Winston Churchill On Thu, Apr 29, 2010 at 12:24 AM, RickG wro

Re: [WISPA] MT PtP

Well, let me log in and test... A note:  the local environment has lots of noise... All H-Pol 5MHz channel width  tower A is seen at -60, sees AP at -59  connection shows  54Mbps/4/54Mbps/4  Thruput AP to tower 6.4Mbps, tower to AP 5.9MBps tower B is seen at -77, sees AP at -77 connection

Re: [WISPA] MT PtP

Noted. Thanks, Rick! You da man! - Original Message - From: "RickG" To: "WISPA General List" Sent: Thursday, April 29, 2010 12:11 AM Subject: Re: [WISPA] MT PtP That helps with the frustration! I recommend a 5 pound sledge :) On Thu, Apr 29, 2010 at 12:01 AM, Robert West wrote: >

Re: [WISPA] You're going to love this... New IRS rules

I just ignore. This is why I'm always in trouble. Screw em. I'm either a rebel or lazy. You decide. - Original Message - From: "RickG" To: "WISPA General List" Sent: Thursday, April 29, 2010 12:21 AM Subject: Re: [WISPA] You're going to love this... New IRS rules Isn't that ho

Re: [WISPA] MT PtP

Rick, I love ya. If you were a woman I'd divorce ya though. - Original Message - From: "Robert West" To: "WISPA General List" Sent: Thursday, April 29, 2010 1:04 AM Subject: Re: [WISPA] MT PtP Noted. Thanks, Rick! You da man! - Original Message - From: "RickG" To: "WIS

Re: [WISPA] You're going to love this... New IRS rules

both? A lazy rebel? On Thu, Apr 29, 2010 at 12:06 AM, Robert West wrote: > I just ignore. > > This is why I'm always in trouble. > > Screw em.  I'm either a rebel or lazy.  You decide. > > > > > > - Original Message - > From: "RickG" > To: "WISPA General List" > Sent: Thursday, April 29

Re: [WISPA] QOS tc filter examples

LOL! See what I mean :) On Thu, Apr 29, 2010 at 12:29 AM, Josh Luthman wrote: > I think you mean would not have wanted to... > > Josh Luthman > Office: 937-552-2340 > Direct: 937-552-2343 > 1100 Wayne St > Suite 1337 > Troy, OH 45373 > > “Success is not final, failure is not fatal: it is the cour

Re: [WISPA] MT PtP

Thank God for the small favors as well as the big ones ;) On Thu, Apr 29, 2010 at 1:07 AM, Robert West wrote: > Rick, I love ya.  If you were a woman I'd divorce ya though. > > > - Original Message - > From: "Robert West" > To: "WISPA General List" > Sent: Thursday, April 29, 2010 1:04

Re: [WISPA] You're going to love this... New IRS rules

You got it, brother. - Original Message - From: "Philip Dorr" To: "WISPA General List" Sent: Thursday, April 29, 2010 1:11 AM Subject: Re: [WISPA] You're going to love this... New IRS rules > both? A lazy rebel? > > On Thu, Apr 29, 2010 at 12:06 AM, Robert West > wrote: >> I just ig