Re: [AI] Satyamev jayte: don't we require special schools any more?

2012-06-11 Thread Renuka Warriar
Hi zoher,
You expressed my own opinion regarding special education up to upper
primary class.  But, when I spoke about this to some of my blind
friends, who had both special and inclusive education, they say that
special school do not provide adequate facility for the overall
developement of the disabled.  I cannot comment on this, since I had
no experience in any of the special school.

Renuka.

On 6/11/12, zoher zos...@gmail.com wrote:
 Dear friends,

 Yesterday's program has importantly raised the issue of integrated
 education. Here it comes to my mind is, now onwards will we not require
 special schools for disabled?

 My take on this issue is nothing can replace the need for special schools.

 Following arguments can support my take.

 1.   Every disabled child does not comes from the rich family, so he can
 have all the facility of assistive technology in his house. Because normal
 schools cannot provide with all the facilities.

 2.   As show also pointed out that some of the parents are not accept
 their disabled child. So it is necessary to have the special schools so that
 Childs parents get proper counseling to accept their child. I don't think so
 any normal school can do so.

 3.   Many of the disabled children's are over protected by their parents
 or many of them are overlooked by their parents. In both the case the child
 becomes introward, if in this situation he is put to sited school then he
 will not be able to cope with the situation.

 4.   A disabled child needs to have some special tools to face the real
 world, such as communication skills, presenting oneself with confidence even
 with disability, or handling the subjects like math's science and geography
 he needs to have a special education. Now just imagine in India schools are
 not comfortable for normal students how they are going to accommodate
 disabled student?

 Here I mean that at list special schools are necessary till 5th or 7th
 standard. Then the person is prepared to face the normal schools.

 According to me, even giving entire education is in the special environment
 is also not viable, as finally one has to live in the integrated society.

 To get our right place in the society the first thing is that a disabled
 should respect other disabled person.  In yesterdays show there was one
 person who was in my school and in college also. When I was talking to him,
 his mother came to me and told that keep away from my son, if he lives with
 disabled peoples then he will develop an inferiority complex.

 Members please carry this thread for more discussion, so we can have
 enlightenment on this issue.

 zoher kheriwala taheri menswear mumbai. skype id zoher.kheriwala

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[AI] Styamev jayte: do we require special schools any more?

2012-06-11 Thread zoher
Dear friends, 

Yesterday's program has importantly raised the issue of integrated education. 
Here it comes to my 

mind is, now onwards will we not require special schools for disabled?

My take on this issue is nothing can replace the need for special schools. 

Following arguments can support my take.

1.   Every disabled child does not comes from the rich family, so he can 
have all the facility of assistive technology in his house. Because schools 
cannot provide with all the facilities.

2.   As show also pointed out that some of the parents are not accept their 
disabled child. So it is necessary to have the special schools so that Childs 
parents get proper counseling to accept their child. I don't think so any 
normal school can do so. 

3.   Many of the disabled children's are over protected by their parents or 
many of them are overlooked by their parents. In both the case the child 
becomes introward, if in this situation he is put to sited school then he will 
not be able to cope with the situation.

4.   A disabled child needs to have some special tools to face the real 
world, such as communication skills, presenting oneself with confidence even 
with disability, or handling the subjects like math's science and geography he 
needs to have a special education. Now just imagine in India schools are not 
comfortable for normal students how they are going to accommodate disabled 
student?

Here I mean that at list special schools are necessary till 5th or 7th 
standard. Then the person is prepared to face the normal schools.

According to me, even giving entire education is in the special environment is 
also not viable, as finally one has to live in the integrated society.

To get our right place in the society the first thing is that a disabled should 
respect other disabled person.  In yesterdays show there was one person who was 
in my school and in college also. When I was talking to him, his mother came to 
me and told that keep away from my son, if he lives with disabled peoples then 
he will develop an inferiority complex.

Members please carry this thread for more discussion, so we can have 
enlightenment on this issue. 

zoher kheriwala taheri menswear mumbai. skype id zoher.kheriwala

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Re: [AI] German and c plus plus Books:

2012-06-11 Thread Nitin Dhaware
Hi Vidhya,

I don't have the book which you have mentioned that Object oriented
programming in C++ by Balguru Swami. However, there is a book called
Thinking in C++ by Bruce Eckel. The book is 1 of the bests which you
can surely refer. You can download the book on Bruce's website @
http://www.mindview.net/Books/TICPP/ThinkingInCPP2e.html

The book is made freeware by Bruce itself.

HTH

Regards,
Nitin
On 6/9/12, Vidhya Y vidhya@gmail.com wrote:
 hi every one,
 I  need the E  book of sprachkurs deutsch neufassung (level 1) this
 is the book prescribed for german.
 and also i tried to convert object oriented programming with c plus plus
 by
  bala guru swamy using OCR
 but there were many mistakes I could not understand anything.
 does any one  have this E book?
 which is the best OCR software to convert Programming books?
 if any one have these 2  books please send it to my mail.
 thankyou.


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[AI] unsubscribe

2012-06-11 Thread Harish
 


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Re: [AI] Regarding talks

2012-06-11 Thread PRASHANTH
Inside the registration submenu, take manual registration option and enter 
the serial number in the third edit field.
- Original Message - 
From: venkatesh murthy venkateshban...@gmail.com

To: accessindia accessindia@accessindia.org.in
Sent: Monday, June 11, 2012 9:23 AM
Subject: [AI] Regarding talks



Good morning shan,
I am srinivas.
I followed your instructions to install talks in my mobile phone. But
the process was completed up to installation. After that, when I am
trying to activate talks, it was asking 10 day demo or send an SMS or
some thing like that. Then I was tried both the options but its not
talking and SMS is going with extra charge.
I request you to guide me further.
I hope you understood my issue.
Please send your reply
Walm regards
Srinivas.


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Re: [AI] how to convert video through any video converter

2012-06-11 Thread Phen Varghese
Dear Timy sir,

Can you send it through dropbox?

With best regard's,

Phen Varghese
skype id:phen.varghese


On 6/9/12, shaik sazid sazid_sha...@yahoo.co.in wrote:
 can you please tell me using this software can we convert video from youtube
 to avi format.  For example by copyng the url can we convert video nto
 required format

 regards,
 sk.sazid

 --- On Thu, 7/6/12, Timy Sebastian Ettumanoor timys...@gmail.com wrote:


 From: Timy Sebastian Ettumanoor timys...@gmail.com
 Subject: Re: [AI] how to convert video through any video converter
 To: accessindia@accessindia.org.in
 Date: Thursday, 7 June, 2012, 2:15 PM


 dear friend!!! use oxilon converter!!! its a free software.

 how to use:

 1. select the file.

 2. press  application key.

 3. expand oxilon-video submenu.

 4. press enter on 3gp.

 make sure that your in the 3gp format.

 if it is announcing something different, press number 3 there.

 it will announce 3gp2 something, no, no. that is not our desire format.

 so, press 3 again, now u will get another format that is 3gp.3gp.


 good!!! that is our desire format.

 while creating 3gp file, generally the audio quality will be bad, so, for
 good  quality, press tab and reach audio codec.

 by default it will be AMR, u should change it in to AAC.

 your done.

 want to download oxilon???

 click below link:

 http://www.sendspace.com/file/7aph60

 with  best regards,

 Timy.


 - Original Message - From: Shona Man shonam...@gmail.com
 To: accessindia accessindia@accessindia.org.in
 Sent: Thursday, June 07, 2012 11:35 AM
 Subject: [AI] how to convert video through any video converter


 Hi friends I want to convert a .avi format video to 3gp format using
 any video converter, but unable to do so because unable to understand
 the functions of this software, please tell me how to convert. If
 there is any other converter then do let me know.

 -- LL.M candidate
 at Faculty of Law in University of Delhi


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Re: [AI] Satya meya Jayate

2012-06-11 Thread mamta
Is there any e mail id for this program
Satya meya Jayate?



If some one would like to send in their ideas.




- Original Message - 
From: bhawani shankar verma bsvermad...@gmail.com
To: accessindia@accessindia.org.in
Sent: Sunday, June 10, 2012 6:46 PM
Subject: Re: [AI] Satya meya Jayate


you can also contribute your thoughts and ideas on ALL INDIA RADIO
vividhbharti programme. send mail to: airamirk...@gmail.com

thanks.

- Original Message - 
From: Gaurang Kanvinde gauran...@gmail.com
To: accessindia@accessindia.org.in
Sent: Sunday, June 10, 2012 1:24 PM
Subject: Re: [AI] Satya meya Jayate


 Hello,

 The number was 5782711

 we were expected to answer with Y or N

 Best,
 Gaurang

 --
 If the dream is BIG enough, the facts don't count!



 On 10 June 2012 12:50, Harish Kotian kot...@mtnl.net.in wrote:

 Friends

 It was indeed very thoughtful to have the spotlight on the issue of
 disability in this episode of the programme.

 Although the subject was treated wonderfully, regretly as often as
 reality
 is quite different as idealism, we tend to face and deal with it a little
 differently.

 I wanted to extend a support SMS, for I strongly think it is necessary to
 have an inclusive education campus without any further delay. However,
 the
 sms number was only displayed on the screen and the programme gooffed up
 on
 this subject of inclusiveness. What a cliche?

 Anyways, we are used to such setbacks and keep our lives going and find
 alternate means to do so.

 Keeping with this spirit, I am turning to the list and I am sure friends
 here would provide the number to send this support SMS.

 I am also hopeful, members would support this initiative in large number.

 Harish Kotian.



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Re: [AI] AMR to mp3 converter needed

2012-06-11 Thread Sandeep Singh

I need this one too, that is if it is available.
Thanks and regards,
Sandeep

At 12:26 PM 6/11/2012, you wrote:

Dear Friends,

If there is any accessible free AMR to mp3 converter abailable, 
please share it with me. I badly need it.


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Re: [AI] Criteria for taking scribe for IBPS Exam:

2012-06-11 Thread PRASHANTH

Thank you.

- Original Message - 
From: parveen Kumar pk200...@gmail.com

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Sent: Monday, June 11, 2012 10:28 AM
Subject: Re: [AI] Criteria for taking scribe for IBPS Exam:



INSTITUTE OF BANKING PERSONNEL SELECTIONCOMMON WRITTEN EXAMINATION FOR
RECRUITMENT OF PROBATIONARYOFFICERS/ MANAGEMENT TRAINEES IN PUBLIC
SECTOR BANKSTO BE HELD ON 17.06.2012GUIDELINES REGARDING PERSONS WITH
DISABILITIESThose candidates who are blind / low vision or affected by
cerebral palsy with loco-motor impairment andwhose writing speed is
affected can use own scribe at own cost during the written
examination. In allsuch cases where a scribe is used, the following
rules will apply:*Please ensure you are eligible to use a scribe as
per the Government of India rules governing therecruitment of Persons
with Disabilities.*The candidate will have to arrange his own scribe
at his own cost*The academic qualification of the scribe should be one
grade lower than the stipulated eligibilitycriteria.*The scribe can be
from any academic stream.*Both, the candidate as well as the scribe
will have to give a suitable undertaking, in the prescribedformat with
passport size photograph of the scribe, confirming that the scribe
fulfils all thestipulated eligibility criteria for a scribe as
mentioned above. Further, in case it later transpiresthat he did not
fulfill any of the laid-down eligibility criteria or suppressed
material facts, thecandidature of the applicant will stand cancelled,
irrespective of the result of the written test.*Such candidate who
uses a scribe shall be eligible for extra time of 20 minutes and/or
part thereoffor every hour of the examination.*Visually Impaired
candidates under Blind/Low Vision may skip the non-verbal questions
inTest of Reasoning and Graph/Table, if any, in Test of Quantitative
Aptitude. Thecandidates will be awarded marks for such Sections based
on the overall average obtainedin other Sections of the respective


For more you can check your scribe form of IBPS.
test._

On 6/10/12, Prashanth Gowda prashanthmn1...@gmail.com wrote:

Dear accessindians,
What are the criterias and procedures for taking scribe for up
coming IBPS exam on 17/06/2012?



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With kind regards:
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Re: [AI] Satyamev jayte: don't we require special schools anymore?

2012-06-11 Thread Asudani, Rajesh
Dear Zoher
I can say that yesterday Amir merely scratched the surface about various issues 
confronting disability.
Perhaps, it was the best he could do on that platform.
Coming to special schools, I can take amir's and disability sectors' assertions 
about sending disabled kids to mainstream schools right from beginning only 
with a grain of salt.
As rightly pointed out by you, there are a host of issues to be taken care of 
about the education of the disabled, particularly sensorily disabled.
So, it is a good idea to have special schools till priamary level, and then 
integrate children with disabilities n mainstream schools by rendering 
necessary support and properly training/sensitizing mainstream teachers.

regarding argument that most special schools do not do justice and are 
malfunctioning, the same is the state of majority of mainstream schools and 
government policies are squarely responsible  for the mess in which special 
schools find themselves in.
So, the argument for doing away with special schools does not seem valid to me.


-Original Message-
From: accessindia-boun...@accessindia.org.in 
[mailto:accessindia-boun...@accessindia.org.in] On Behalf Of zoher
Sent: Monday, June 11, 2012 11:25 AM
To: accessindia@accessindia.org.in
Subject: [AI] Satyamev jayte: don't we require special schools any more?

Dear friends,

Yesterday's program has importantly raised the issue of integrated education. 
Here it comes to my mind is, now onwards will we not require special schools 
for disabled?

My take on this issue is nothing can replace the need for special schools.

Following arguments can support my take.

1.   Every disabled child does not comes from the rich family, so he can 
have all the facility of assistive technology in his house. Because normal 
schools cannot provide with all the facilities.

2.   As show also pointed out that some of the parents are not accept their 
disabled child. So it is necessary to have the special schools so that Childs 
parents get proper counseling to accept their child. I don't think so any 
normal school can do so.

3.   Many of the disabled children's are over protected by their parents or 
many of them are overlooked by their parents. In both the case the child 
becomes introward, if in this situation he is put to sited school then he will 
not be able to cope with the situation.

4.   A disabled child needs to have some special tools to face the real 
world, such as communication skills, presenting oneself with confidence even 
with disability, or handling the subjects like math's science and geography he 
needs to have a special education. Now just imagine in India schools are not 
comfortable for normal students how they are going to accommodate disabled 
student?

Here I mean that at list special schools are necessary till 5th or 7th 
standard. Then the person is prepared to face the normal schools.

According to me, even giving entire education is in the special environment is 
also not viable, as finally one has to live in the integrated society.

To get our right place in the society the first thing is that a disabled should 
respect other disabled person.  In yesterdays show there was one person who was 
in my school and in college also. When I was talking to him, his mother came to 
me and told that keep away from my son, if he lives with disabled peoples then 
he will develop an inferiority complex.

Members please carry this thread for more discussion, so we can have 
enlightenment on this issue.

zoher kheriwala taheri menswear mumbai. skype id zoher.kheriwala

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Re: [AI] how to convert video through any video converter

2012-06-11 Thread mukesh jain
Free 3GP Video Converter. Convert any video files to *.avi, *.mp4,
*.wmv, *.mkv, *.flv, *.swf, *.mov, *.3gp, *.m2ts or *.webm formats.
Extract audio MP3 from video files.
Input file formats: *.avi; *.ivf; *.div; *.divx; *.mpg; *.mpeg; *.mpe;
*.mp4; *.m4v; *.webm; *.wmv; *.asf; *.mov; *.qt; *.mts; *.m2t; *.m2ts;
*.mod; *.tod; *.vro; *.dat; *.3gp2; *.3gpp; *.3gp; *.3g2; *.dvr-ms;
*.flv; *.f4v; *.amv; *.rm; *.rmm; *.rv; *.rmvb; *.ogv; *.mkv; *.ts.

This is freeware and perfectly accessible with screen reader like
jaws. It can convert your videos in to desirable format like 3gp at
the instance of few commands.
Just open the program browse your input file and choose 3gp format in
the combo box of formats and click on convert button. Depending on the
size of your input file, the video conversion process will take time.
To download this tool you can go to:
http://dvdvideosoft.com/products/dvd/Free-3GP-Video-Converter.htm
Hope this might be of some use to you.
thanks,
mukesh.


On 6/11/12, Phen Varghese phenvargh...@gmail.com wrote:
 Dear Timy sir,

 Can you send it through dropbox?

 With best regard's,

 Phen Varghese
 skype id:phen.varghese


 On 6/9/12, shaik sazid sazid_sha...@yahoo.co.in wrote:
 can you please tell me using this software can we convert video from
 youtube
 to avi format.  For example by copyng the url can we convert video nto
 required format

 regards,
 sk.sazid

 --- On Thu, 7/6/12, Timy Sebastian Ettumanoor timys...@gmail.com wrote:


 From: Timy Sebastian Ettumanoor timys...@gmail.com
 Subject: Re: [AI] how to convert video through any video converter
 To: accessindia@accessindia.org.in
 Date: Thursday, 7 June, 2012, 2:15 PM


 dear friend!!! use oxilon converter!!! its a free software.

 how to use:

 1. select the file.

 2. press  application key.

 3. expand oxilon-video submenu.

 4. press enter on 3gp.

 make sure that your in the 3gp format.

 if it is announcing something different, press number 3 there.

 it will announce 3gp2 something, no, no. that is not our desire format.

 so, press 3 again, now u will get another format that is 3gp.3gp.


 good!!! that is our desire format.

 while creating 3gp file, generally the audio quality will be bad, so, for
 good  quality, press tab and reach audio codec.

 by default it will be AMR, u should change it in to AAC.

 your done.

 want to download oxilon???

 click below link:

 http://www.sendspace.com/file/7aph60

 with  best regards,

 Timy.


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 To: accessindia accessindia@accessindia.org.in
 Sent: Thursday, June 07, 2012 11:35 AM
 Subject: [AI] how to convert video through any video converter


 Hi friends I want to convert a .avi format video to 3gp format using
 any video converter, but unable to do so because unable to understand
 the functions of this software, please tell me how to convert. If
 there is any other converter then do let me know.

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Re: [AI] how to convert video through any video converter

2012-06-11 Thread Timy Sebastian Ettumanoor

dear fen!!! here is the download link:

https://dl.dropbox.com/u/2225709/Softwares/oxilone%20converting%20software.zip
- Original Message - 
From: Phen Varghese phenvargh...@gmail.com

To: accessindia@accessindia.org.in
Sent: Monday, June 11, 2012 12:15 PM
Subject: Re: [AI] how to convert video through any video converter


Dear Timy sir,

Can you send it through dropbox?

With best regard's,

Phen Varghese
skype id:phen.varghese


On 6/9/12, shaik sazid sazid_sha...@yahoo.co.in wrote:
can you please tell me using this software can we convert video from 
youtube

to avi format. For example by copyng the url can we convert video nto
required format

regards,
sk.sazid

--- On Thu, 7/6/12, Timy Sebastian Ettumanoor timys...@gmail.com wrote:


From: Timy Sebastian Ettumanoor timys...@gmail.com
Subject: Re: [AI] how to convert video through any video converter
To: accessindia@accessindia.org.in
Date: Thursday, 7 June, 2012, 2:15 PM


dear friend!!! use oxilon converter!!! its a free software.

how to use:

1. select the file.

2. press application key.

3. expand oxilon-video submenu.

4. press enter on 3gp.

make sure that your in the 3gp format.

if it is announcing something different, press number 3 there.

it will announce 3gp2 something, no, no. that is not our desire format.

so, press 3 again, now u will get another format that is 3gp.3gp.


good!!! that is our desire format.

while creating 3gp file, generally the audio quality will be bad, so, for
good quality, press tab and reach audio codec.

by default it will be AMR, u should change it in to AAC.

your done.

want to download oxilon???

click below link:

http://www.sendspace.com/file/7aph60

with best regards,

Timy.


- Original Message - From: Shona Man shonam...@gmail.com
To: accessindia accessindia@accessindia.org.in
Sent: Thursday, June 07, 2012 11:35 AM
Subject: [AI] how to convert video through any video converter



Hi friends I want to convert a .avi format video to 3gp format using
any video converter, but unable to do so because unable to understand
the functions of this software, please tell me how to convert. If
there is any other converter then do let me know.

-- LL.M candidate
at Faculty of Law in University of Delhi


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Re: [AI] Satya meya Jayate

2012-06-11 Thread jayinfotech
Was great to see our list member Ketan Kothari on show. Had Hope for others
including Harish Kotian, Sam Taraporewala, Shushmeetha  other on show.

Amit Sanghvi
Father of Baby Aayushi Sanghvi





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From: accessindia-boun...@accessindia.org.in
[mailto:accessindia-boun...@accessindia.org.in] On Behalf Of Harish Kotian
Sent: Sunday, June 10, 2012 12:50 PM
To: accessindia@accessindia.org.in
Subject: [AI] Satya meya Jayate

Friends

It was indeed very thoughtful to have the spotlight on the issue of
disability in this episode of the programme.

Although the subject was treated wonderfully, regretly as often as reality
is quite different as idealism, we tend to face and deal with it a little
differently.

I wanted to extend a support SMS, for I strongly think it is necessary to
have an inclusive education campus without any further delay. However, the
sms number was only displayed on the screen and the programme gooffed up on
this subject of inclusiveness. What a cliche?

Anyways, we are used to such setbacks and keep our lives going and find
alternate means to do so.

Keeping with this spirit, I am turning to the list and I am sure friends
here would provide the number to send this support SMS.
 
I am also hopeful, members would support this initiative in large number.

Harish Kotian.

 

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[AI] FW: Satya meya Jayate

2012-06-11 Thread jayinfotech

Was great to see our list member Ketan Kothari on show. Had Hope for others
including Harish Kotian, Sam Taraporewala, Shushmeetha  other on show.
Also no one from NAB Delhi or Mumbai, Happy Home for Blind Or other NGOs???

Amit Sanghvi
Father of Baby Aayushi Sanghvi





-Original Message-
From: accessindia-boun...@accessindia.org.in
[mailto:accessindia-boun...@accessindia.org.in] On Behalf Of Harish Kotian
Sent: Sunday, June 10, 2012 12:50 PM
To: accessindia@accessindia.org.in
Subject: [AI] Satya meya Jayate

Friends

It was indeed very thoughtful to have the spotlight on the issue of
disability in this episode of the programme.

Although the subject was treated wonderfully, regretly as often as reality
is quite different as idealism, we tend to face and deal with it a little
differently.

I wanted to extend a support SMS, for I strongly think it is necessary to
have an inclusive education campus without any further delay. However, the
sms number was only displayed on the screen and the programme gooffed up on
this subject of inclusiveness. What a cliche?

Anyways, we are used to such setbacks and keep our lives going and find
alternate means to do so.

Keeping with this spirit, I am turning to the list and I am sure friends
here would provide the number to send this support SMS.
 
I am also hopeful, members would support this initiative in large number.

Harish Kotian.

 

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[AI] Winrar help

2012-06-11 Thread Mukesh
Dear friends,
I want to compress file at least 1/4th of its original size (100 mb to 25 mb). 
I'm using winrar 4.11 version. Please tell me how to do this? thank you.

Sincerely,

Mukesh Baviskar
Mobile: 9403161157

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Re: [AI] Satyamev jayte: don't we require special schools anymore?

2012-06-11 Thread Zujar Shabbir Kanchwala
To me, an inclusive school would mean the one that is well equipped
with basic facilities to support disabled students. A school that
admits disabled students without considering his basic needs to learn
cannot be called as an inclusive school. Also, there's no magic stick
invented so far that can convert all regular schools into inclusive
schools in a flash, there's a lot of ground work required. This show
is just a baby step towards sensitising the society about inclusive
education. An inclusive school should be able to fulfill all learning
needs of the disabled and there would not be a need for special
school.

Special schools are one of the methods of  isolating disabled folks
from the mainstream. As someone rightly said on the show - by not
admitting disabled students to the main stream school, not only do
disabled students miss an opportunity to be part of main stream but
the able bodied students also miss an opportunity to interact, play
and learn with their disabled counterparts. Special schools may be
good for pampering the disabled but may not be the right tool to build
up and shape a personality. The process of inclusion has to begin even
before a child starts going to school to make him comfortable about
himself and divise his own tricks to overcome disability and adapt to
the society with courage and confidence, this cannot be done after the
child goes to a special school for several years as his mind
preoccupies itself to limited activities and may also develop a
negative picture of the society. Sending a disabled child to a special
school for primary education is like isolating the child from the
mainstream for inclusion at a later stage.

Subjects like Maths, Science and Geography are tough for not only the
challenged but for most of them. A lot depends on the methodology of
teaching, the students' grasping ability, availability of learning
aids and the overall learning environment. Let me tell you my own
example when I was in the first year of my Commerce graduation.
Commerce folks are aware that Mathematics is an optional subject in
junior college but a compulsory one in the first year of graduation.
The first year of graduation becomes a nightmare for people who opt
for Secretarial Practice (SP) in junior college. The same was the case
with two of my sighted friends in college but not for me as I loved
Mathematics and had done my junior college with Science. Majority of
the topics were known to me and I used to solve the problems before
our coaching class faculty would do it for the class. In fact, there
were situations when she was stuck at points where I had the solution.
These 2 friends asked me if I can help them learn the subject and I
agreed. Everyday, after class we 3 gathered at my home and solved home
assignments and additional problems marked for the next day. Would
this have happened if I were a special school student?

I am never comfortable with challenged people learning Mathematics of
a lower class in the 10th class. If we think of a social inclusion of
challenged then why such discrimination. Also, I see a whole lot of
disabled folks and NGOs advising disabled to remain in comfort zones.
Why can't visually challenged people take up Commerce or Science after
school? All these questions can be answered by sensitising and
educating the society about disability and the fact that education is
as much important for a disabled as much as their able bodied
counterparts. And we need to take concrete steps in this direction
rather than waiting for a magician.

Friends, I have always remained in an inclusive environment and firmly
believe that it has helped me be whatever and wherever I am today. And
let me tell you that I belong to a family with no luxuries - my
parents and grandparents have struggled a lot and have seen days of
nothing more than 2 meals a day. They did not have social contacts or
political influences. The only thing they had is courage, passion and
unshakable moral values. Its not true that only rich can afford
raising disabled children and include them in the mainstream, all who
accept their disabled children wholeheartedly and believe in
themselves and their offspring can do it. And I don't think any
special school extends its facilities to disabled students' at home,
do they? And if an inclusive school provides facilities as special
schools to their student then why would we need special schools? Let's
think of inclusion from day 1 of a disabled child's life and not at a
later stage.

On 6/11/12, Asudani, Rajesh rajeshasud...@rbi.org.in wrote:
 Dear Zoher
 I can say that yesterday Amir merely scratched the surface about various
 issues confronting disability.
 Perhaps, it was the best he could do on that platform.
 Coming to special schools, I can take amir's and disability sectors'
 assertions about sending disabled kids to mainstream schools right from
 beginning only with a grain of salt.
 As rightly pointed out by you, there are a host of issues to be 

Re: [AI] regarding translation of Satya Meva Jayate

2012-06-11 Thread Pranay Gadodia
Hi,
I see the Tamil  Malayalam versionns of its theme song on YouTube, though in a 
brief search could not find if complete shows dubbed in other languages have 
also been uploaded. May be some one interested could do a thorough search.

thanks,
Pranay.

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From: rambabu adikesavalu rambabu_...@yahoo.com
To: accessindia@accessindia.org.in
Sent: Monday, June 11, 2012 11:09 AM
Subject: [AI] regarding translation of Satya Meva Jayate


Hai Friends,
This is in reference to the discussion on the availability of the translation 
of Satya Meva Jayate in other languages,
It is being broadcasted in Tamil at the same time by Star Vijay TV. So, those 
who could understand/follow Tamil can watch Star Vijay.
With regards,
Dr. A.Rambabu

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Re: [AI] FW: Satya meya Jayate

2012-06-11 Thread mukesh jain
hello,
don't know about the names but certainly the strugglers who made the
days and nights equal to lay the foundation of pwd act in our country
especially the persons who were active all throughout to get this act
enacted in our parliament must be included in such kind of shows.
without their contribution our rights could just be a dream!
no matter we can say that if one is able then can get his/her position
wherever desire without taking support of any rights but theoratically
and practically speaking both are just like south and north pole. so
more activist could be included in this show who could focuss better
on the real situation and could send more appropriate message amongst
corporates, educationist, parents and ultimately to our society at
large.
thanks,
mukesh.

On 6/11/12, jayinfotech jayinfot...@yahoo.com wrote:

 Was great to see our list member Ketan Kothari on show. Had Hope for others
 including Harish Kotian, Sam Taraporewala, Shushmeetha  other on show.
 Also no one from NAB Delhi or Mumbai, Happy Home for Blind Or other NGOs???

 Amit Sanghvi
 Father of Baby Aayushi Sanghvi





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 From: accessindia-boun...@accessindia.org.in
 [mailto:accessindia-boun...@accessindia.org.in] On Behalf Of Harish Kotian
 Sent: Sunday, June 10, 2012 12:50 PM
 To: accessindia@accessindia.org.in
 Subject: [AI] Satya meya Jayate

 Friends

 It was indeed very thoughtful to have the spotlight on the issue of
 disability in this episode of the programme.

 Although the subject was treated wonderfully, regretly as often as reality
 is quite different as idealism, we tend to face and deal with it a little
 differently.

 I wanted to extend a support SMS, for I strongly think it is necessary to
 have an inclusive education campus without any further delay. However, the
 sms number was only displayed on the screen and the programme gooffed up on
 this subject of inclusiveness. What a cliche?

 Anyways, we are used to such setbacks and keep our lives going and find
 alternate means to do so.

 Keeping with this spirit, I am turning to the list and I am sure friends
 here would provide the number to send this support SMS.

 I am also hopeful, members would support this initiative in large number.

 Harish Kotian.



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Helen Keller


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[AI] Books needed

2012-06-11 Thread Deepak Singla
hello all
i need the follwoing books in etext format

1. Marketing Management by Philip Kotler
2. Market research

please provide me the same if anyone has.

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Re: [AI] about chandar gupta morya

2012-06-11 Thread Ashik Hirani
If you mean the serial Chanakya, it is there on the Youtube site. Actually 
47 episodes were telecast, but there are only 43 episodes available on the 
site. I have downloaded all of them and converted them into audio format. 
But it is difficult to upload them as they are about 1800 MB in size.
- Original Message - 
From: manpreet kaur kaur.preet1...@gmail.com

To: accessindia accessindia@accessindia.org.in
Sent: Monday, June 11, 2012 1:35 PM
Subject: [AI] about chandar gupta morya



hi all list members
i want to see or download the episods of chandar gupta morya
please guide me
my id is
kaur.preet1...@gmail.com
thanks in advance


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Re: [AI] Satyamev jayte: don't we require special schools anymore?

2012-06-11 Thread Asudani, Rajesh
So, do you think anything is being done to convert mainstream schools into 
disabled friendly schools on a large scale so as to obviate the need for 
special schools?


-Original Message-
From: accessindia-boun...@accessindia.org.in 
[mailto:accessindia-boun...@accessindia.org.in] On Behalf Of Zujar Shabbir 
Kanchwala
Sent: Monday, June 11, 2012 1:58 PM
To: accessindia@accessindia.org.in
Subject: Re: [AI] Satyamev jayte: don't we require special schools anymore?

To me, an inclusive school would mean the one that is well equipped
with basic facilities to support disabled students. A school that
admits disabled students without considering his basic needs to learn
cannot be called as an inclusive school. Also, there's no magic stick
invented so far that can convert all regular schools into inclusive
schools in a flash, there's a lot of ground work required. This show
is just a baby step towards sensitising the society about inclusive
education. An inclusive school should be able to fulfill all learning
needs of the disabled and there would not be a need for special
school.

Special schools are one of the methods of  isolating disabled folks
from the mainstream. As someone rightly said on the show - by not
admitting disabled students to the main stream school, not only do
disabled students miss an opportunity to be part of main stream but
the able bodied students also miss an opportunity to interact, play
and learn with their disabled counterparts. Special schools may be
good for pampering the disabled but may not be the right tool to build
up and shape a personality. The process of inclusion has to begin even
before a child starts going to school to make him comfortable about
himself and divise his own tricks to overcome disability and adapt to
the society with courage and confidence, this cannot be done after the
child goes to a special school for several years as his mind
preoccupies itself to limited activities and may also develop a
negative picture of the society. Sending a disabled child to a special
school for primary education is like isolating the child from the
mainstream for inclusion at a later stage.

Subjects like Maths, Science and Geography are tough for not only the
challenged but for most of them. A lot depends on the methodology of
teaching, the students' grasping ability, availability of learning
aids and the overall learning environment. Let me tell you my own
example when I was in the first year of my Commerce graduation.
Commerce folks are aware that Mathematics is an optional subject in
junior college but a compulsory one in the first year of graduation.
The first year of graduation becomes a nightmare for people who opt
for Secretarial Practice (SP) in junior college. The same was the case
with two of my sighted friends in college but not for me as I loved
Mathematics and had done my junior college with Science. Majority of
the topics were known to me and I used to solve the problems before
our coaching class faculty would do it for the class. In fact, there
were situations when she was stuck at points where I had the solution.
These 2 friends asked me if I can help them learn the subject and I
agreed. Everyday, after class we 3 gathered at my home and solved home
assignments and additional problems marked for the next day. Would
this have happened if I were a special school student?

I am never comfortable with challenged people learning Mathematics of
a lower class in the 10th class. If we think of a social inclusion of
challenged then why such discrimination. Also, I see a whole lot of
disabled folks and NGOs advising disabled to remain in comfort zones.
Why can't visually challenged people take up Commerce or Science after
school? All these questions can be answered by sensitising and
educating the society about disability and the fact that education is
as much important for a disabled as much as their able bodied
counterparts. And we need to take concrete steps in this direction
rather than waiting for a magician.

Friends, I have always remained in an inclusive environment and firmly
believe that it has helped me be whatever and wherever I am today. And
let me tell you that I belong to a family with no luxuries - my
parents and grandparents have struggled a lot and have seen days of
nothing more than 2 meals a day. They did not have social contacts or
political influences. The only thing they had is courage, passion and
unshakable moral values. Its not true that only rich can afford
raising disabled children and include them in the mainstream, all who
accept their disabled children wholeheartedly and believe in
themselves and their offspring can do it. And I don't think any
special school extends its facilities to disabled students' at home,
do they? And if an inclusive school provides facilities as special
schools to their student then why would we need special schools? Let's
think of inclusion from day 1 of a disabled child's life and not at a
later stage.

On 

Re: [AI] Satyamev jayte: don't we require special schools anymore?

2012-06-11 Thread zoher
I am not agree on the point that going to special school is the pampering a 
disabled child. It is the other way round. Many a times if a disabled child 
goes to the normal school then teachers are little lenient about them and 
ignores their mistakes. On the other hand the special schools treats the 
disabled child as a normal child. In the show it was pointed out that let 
the disabled child play with other children's, let him also fall, let he 
also get stitches. But if we take first case that is let the disabled child 
play with normal children's. How far it is practical, can a blind person 
play cricket, foot ball or even dumb shears. But in blind schools he can 
enjoy cricket, Wally ball, playing cards, kabbady and many more.   He falls 
and he gets stitches also.


Now let us come to academics. The special schools gives the conceptual 
clarity about many things regarding the scientific concepts and geographical 
processes Through touch models. In the later stages when child goes to 
normal school he can grab that subject easily . if the teachers of normal 
schools does not know how to teach the particular subject or how to handle 
particular situation with disabled student then that student can himself 
guide the teacher please explain me like this.


Let me give my own example. In last year of BA I took economics as my 
subject so the HOD of eco dept. was not ready to give that subject, because 
she was thinking that how will deal graphs. Then I told her about the 
plastic paper and she was ready to give that subject.


If the special schools are the institution of isolation then what about the 
girls special schools or boys special schools. Then they should also be 
considered as isolation institution.


As far as the argument that says that if the disabled child is not admitted 
to normal schools then the school students looses the opportunity to mix 
with disabled. This argument looks very Kiddush and bookish too.


I am not saying that the whole education should be taken in the special 
school, but I am saying that till 7th standard the special schools are 
necessary. After that the disabled student and the normal students also 
becomes mature enough to understand each other's problems. And teachers of 
secondary schools are of comparatively older, so they handle disabled 
student very well.


In conclusion of this mail I can say that every person needs some special 
environment to nurture his potentials. If one has to learn cricket then he 
has to go to cricket special academy, he cannot learn cricket by going to 
foot ball academy. So where there is a different need then there has to be 
different institutions.


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- Original Message - 
From: Zujar Shabbir Kanchwala zujarbri...@gmail.com

To: accessindia@accessindia.org.in
Sent: Monday, June 11, 2012 1:58 PM
Subject: Re: [AI] Satyamev jayte: don't we require special schools anymore?



To me, an inclusive school would mean the one that is well equipped
with basic facilities to support disabled students. A school that
admits disabled students without considering his basic needs to learn
cannot be called as an inclusive school. Also, there's no magic stick
invented so far that can convert all regular schools into inclusive
schools in a flash, there's a lot of ground work required. This show
is just a baby step towards sensitising the society about inclusive
education. An inclusive school should be able to fulfill all learning
needs of the disabled and there would not be a need for special
school.

Special schools are one of the methods of  isolating disabled folks
from the mainstream. As someone rightly said on the show - by not
admitting disabled students to the main stream school, not only do
disabled students miss an opportunity to be part of main stream but
the able bodied students also miss an opportunity to interact, play
and learn with their disabled counterparts. Special schools may be
good for pampering the disabled but may not be the right tool to build
up and shape a personality. The process of inclusion has to begin even
before a child starts going to school to make him comfortable about
himself and divise his own tricks to overcome disability and adapt to
the society with courage and confidence, this cannot be done after the
child goes to a special school for several years as his mind
preoccupies itself to limited activities and may also develop a
negative picture of the society. Sending a disabled child to a special
school for primary education is like isolating the child from the
mainstream for inclusion at a later stage.

Subjects like Maths, Science and Geography are tough for not only the
challenged but for most of them. A lot depends on the methodology of
teaching, the students' grasping ability, availability of learning
aids and the overall learning environment. Let me tell you my own
example when I was in the first year of my Commerce graduation.

Re: [AI] Regarding talks:

2012-06-11 Thread harshalgip...@gmail.com
8971870886






-Original message-
From: venkatesh murthy
Sent:  11/06/2012, 4:07  pm
To: accessindia
Subject: [AI] Regarding talks:


Hello shan,
Sorry to disturb you again and again.
I am srinivas.
Just now I got Email from talknav website with regesteration ID. Can
you guide me from here how to install?
If you don't mind can you provide me your mobile number?
Expecting your reply soon
Walm regards
Srinivas.


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[AI] Great Epic Mahabharata

2012-06-11 Thread Binni Kumari
Dear list members,
Sorry for resending the email with few corrections!

Can I find the great Epic Mahabharata either in an  e-text format  in English  
or in an  audio format in Hindi from somewhere?
Thanks in anticipation!
Binni Kumari

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Re: [AI] Great Epic Mahabharata

2012-06-11 Thread krishan
i also need mahabharata in audio.

On 6/11/12, Asudani, Rajesh rajeshasud...@rbi.org.in wrote:
 Dear Binni
 I have it in CDs of the TV serial which was telecast way back in 1988.
 It is available with me e text English as well but is toot tedious to
 read


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 Sent: Monday, June 11, 2012 4:43 PM
 To: accessindia@accessindia.org.in
 Subject: [AI] Great Epic Mahabharata

 Dear list members,
 Sorry for resending the email with few corrections!

 Can I find the great Epic Mahabharata either in an  e-text format  in
 English  or in an  audio format in Hindi from somewhere?
 Thanks in anticipation!
 Binni Kumari

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Re: [AI] Handicap coach is for ladies general passenger

2012-06-11 Thread Kavitha
this is happening to all the handicapped coaches. I was not aware there is a 
separate coache for handicapped ladies so far. Is that true? Is that 
available in all trains?
- Original Message - 
From: Kiran Baug kiranbaug2...@gmail.com

To: accessindia accessindia@accessindia.org.in
Sent: Monday, June 11, 2012 5:05 PM
Subject: [AI] Handicap coach is for ladies general passenger



Dear Members,

On Sunday, 10/06/2012, it was very urgent to go to Pune and there was
no time for reservation ticket.  I decided to get the general ticket
and catch the Handicap coach of Udyan express from Dadar.

Till time i located the handicap coach of Udyan express and entered
inside i found that the coach was full of ladies passengers as the
handicap coach is beside ladies general coach.

I tried lot to get in  but they was not letting me to get in and also
it was to late to get down and call the guard beside as train already
left.

I called to railway emergency number and asked to empty the coach in
kalyan and they assured me that they will but at Kalyan nobody arrived
from police staff and more ladies passenger and few gents board the
train.

Till time the handicap coach has converted in to general coach and i
was still standing near to door of the coach.

I called to railway helpline again and inform them that no police
staffs have attended to empty the coach.

the lady in the phone assured me that until and unless the coach is
empty the train will not leave.

Kurzat station went no actions were taken and the situation was more
worse.  No place to move anything even people went inside the toilet.

I again called to helpline that no staff attended the handicap coach
the call handler told me that ladies passengers has also called that
there is no space in ladies general compartment due to this they have
board the handicap coach and because of it guards and police staff is
not taking any action on my complaint.

I told her that handicap coach is only for the handicap people and not
for ladies general passenger so empty to coach as soon as possible and
told to her to empty the coach at current station

Next station was Lonawala and no police staff attended the coach and
lost the hope of getting the coach empty.

I reached Pune standing almost 4 hours.

This is my first experience of handicap coach of express and it was worse.

Regards,
Kiran Baug


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Re: [AI] Great Epic Mahabharata

2012-06-11 Thread Asudani, Rajesh
Dear Binni
I have it in CDs of the TV serial which was telecast way back in 1988.
It is available with me e text English as well but is toot tedious to read


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From: accessindia-boun...@accessindia.org.in 
[mailto:accessindia-boun...@accessindia.org.in] On Behalf Of Binni Kumari
Sent: Monday, June 11, 2012 4:43 PM
To: accessindia@accessindia.org.in
Subject: [AI] Great Epic Mahabharata

Dear list members,
Sorry for resending the email with few corrections!

Can I find the great Epic Mahabharata either in an  e-text format  in English  
or in an  audio format in Hindi from somewhere?
Thanks in anticipation!
Binni Kumari

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Re: [AI] Satyamev jayte: don't we require special schools anymore?

2012-06-11 Thread Zujar Shabbir Kanchwala
The kind of pampering you're talking about happens out of lack of
awareness among such people who do it. And how can it be ensured that
it would not happen in higher classes? If teachers start dealing with
challenged students on a regular basis then automatically they would
understand that any mistake done by a challenged student should be
punished as equally as an able bodied student. Currenly, they just see
one or two such students and treat them specially or with liniency -
it's a case of disability illiteracy. Teachers in special schools may
not be doing such acts because they are more literate on the subject
of disability than their mainstream counterparts. Special schools
allow irregular attendance, are more flexible than required with
respect to students' behaviour and pamper challenged students in
various other ways. I was a mainstream student and don't recall an
incident when I had the privilege of not doing my homework or was
allowed in the class late. I too lost marks for untidy books or answer
sheets.

Teachers of higher classes are more mature than those of primary
classes. Where does this thought come from?

An inclusive school is supposed to be the one who not only admits
challenged students for name sake but it would also have the onus of
meeting special needs of such students. Some of the examples of such
needs are a computer equipped with a screen reader, sign language
interpreter, touch models, scribes for writing exams, etc. Of course,
it may not be viable for every school to have all such arrangements
but at least few of them can do so. The government and other NGOs can
certainly help schools with such arrangements.

And a cricket enthusiast would go to a cricket academy for learning
cricket not his regular academics. Similarly, a visually challenged
would go to a blinds rehabilitation center for learning mobility or
other such activity. Why does he need to go to a special school for
his regular academics? Let the special institutions continue with
special trainings like mobility, screen readers, sign language and so
on.

True that we cannot play outdoor games with others without some
adaptation and the others may not be ready to play with such
adaptations. But there are various other forms of interaction that
happen among children in schools. is it that if a challenged person
does his primary education through a special school and then joins a
mainstream school he would be able to play such games with the
able-bodied? The idea here is to present an opportunity to both the
parties to interact and understand each other in the earlier phases of
life when their minds are free from bias.

Yes! girls special and boys special schools are isolation
institutions. Majority of such students are gender biased and shy of
speaking to people of the other gender. The funnier part of the game
is that girls convent can have male teachers and vice versa.

On 6/11/12, zoher zos...@gmail.com wrote:
 I am not agree on the point that going to special school is the pampering a

 disabled child. It is the other way round. Many a times if a disabled child

 goes to the normal school then teachers are little lenient about them and
 ignores their mistakes. On the other hand the special schools treats the
 disabled child as a normal child. In the show it was pointed out that let
 the disabled child play with other children's, let him also fall, let he
 also get stitches. But if we take first case that is let the disabled child

 play with normal children's. How far it is practical, can a blind person
 play cricket, foot ball or even dumb shears. But in blind schools he can
 enjoy cricket, Wally ball, playing cards, kabbady and many more.   He falls

 and he gets stitches also.

 Now let us come to academics. The special schools gives the conceptual
 clarity about many things regarding the scientific concepts and geographical

 processes Through touch models. In the later stages when child goes to
 normal school he can grab that subject easily . if the teachers of normal
 schools does not know how to teach the particular subject or how to handle
 particular situation with disabled student then that student can himself
 guide the teacher please explain me like this.

 Let me give my own example. In last year of BA I took economics as my
 subject so the HOD of eco dept. was not ready to give that subject, because

 she was thinking that how will deal graphs. Then I told her about the
 plastic paper and she was ready to give that subject.

 If the special schools are the institution of isolation then what about the

 girls special schools or boys special schools. Then they should also be
 considered as isolation institution.

 As far as the argument that says that if the disabled child is not admitted

 to normal schools then the school students looses the opportunity to mix
 with disabled. This argument looks very Kiddush and bookish too.

 I am not saying that the whole education should be taken in the special
 

Re: [AI] Great Epic Mahabharata

2012-06-11 Thread Kakarla Nageswaraiah
Parts of The Mahabharata are available at
gutenberg.org
in etext.
Regards.


On 6/11/12, Asudani, Rajesh rajeshasud...@rbi.org.in wrote:
 Dear Binni
 I have it in CDs of the TV serial which was telecast way back in 1988.
 It is available with me e text English as well but is toot tedious to
 read


 -Original Message-
 From: accessindia-boun...@accessindia.org.in
 [mailto:accessindia-boun...@accessindia.org.in] On Behalf Of Binni Kumari
 Sent: Monday, June 11, 2012 4:43 PM
 To: accessindia@accessindia.org.in
 Subject: [AI] Great Epic Mahabharata

 Dear list members,
 Sorry for resending the email with few corrections!

 Can I find the great Epic Mahabharata either in an  e-text format  in
 English  or in an  audio format in Hindi from somewhere?
 Thanks in anticipation!
 Binni Kumari

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Re: [AI] Handicap coach is for ladies general passenger

2012-06-11 Thread Kiran Baug
Dear Kavita,

I have given subject line Handicap coach for ladies general passenger
because the railways are converting the handicap coach  to ladies
general coach by themselves.

Railways are responsible for the worse condition of handicap coach.
Why?  because they are ignoring that this is an handicap coach and
they by themselves are allowing passengers to get in and ignoring our
complaints.

And the worse thing i experienced that the railway helpline lady is
telling me that some ladies from the handicap coach has called to
helpline number and told them that there is no place in ladies general
coach and please allow them while i am calling to same helpline number

and the guard and police staffs are listening to them and not my
complaint as this is said by the helpline call handler.

Regards,
Kiran Baug

On 6/11/12, Kavitha tendil...@gmail.com wrote:
 this is happening to all the handicapped coaches. I was not aware there is a

 separate coache for handicapped ladies so far. Is that true? Is that
 available in all trains?
 - Original Message -
 From: Kiran Baug kiranbaug2...@gmail.com
 To: accessindia accessindia@accessindia.org.in
 Sent: Monday, June 11, 2012 5:05 PM
 Subject: [AI] Handicap coach is for ladies general passenger


 Dear Members,

 On Sunday, 10/06/2012, it was very urgent to go to Pune and there was
 no time for reservation ticket.  I decided to get the general ticket
 and catch the Handicap coach of Udyan express from Dadar.

 Till time i located the handicap coach of Udyan express and entered
 inside i found that the coach was full of ladies passengers as the
 handicap coach is beside ladies general coach.

 I tried lot to get in  but they was not letting me to get in and also
 it was to late to get down and call the guard beside as train already
 left.

 I called to railway emergency number and asked to empty the coach in
 kalyan and they assured me that they will but at Kalyan nobody arrived
 from police staff and more ladies passenger and few gents board the
 train.

 Till time the handicap coach has converted in to general coach and i
 was still standing near to door of the coach.

 I called to railway helpline again and inform them that no police
 staffs have attended to empty the coach.

 the lady in the phone assured me that until and unless the coach is
 empty the train will not leave.

 Kurzat station went no actions were taken and the situation was more
 worse.  No place to move anything even people went inside the toilet.

 I again called to helpline that no staff attended the handicap coach
 the call handler told me that ladies passengers has also called that
 there is no space in ladies general compartment due to this they have
 board the handicap coach and because of it guards and police staff is
 not taking any action on my complaint.

 I told her that handicap coach is only for the handicap people and not
 for ladies general passenger so empty to coach as soon as possible and
 told to her to empty the coach at current station

 Next station was Lonawala and no police staff attended the coach and
 lost the hope of getting the coach empty.

 I reached Pune standing almost 4 hours.

 This is my first experience of handicap coach of express and it was
 worse.

 Regards,
 Kiran Baug


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Re: [AI] Handicap coach is for ladies general passenger

2012-06-11 Thread mahendra

Dear Kavitha

i think, Kirin forgot to put question mark in the subject line.
i don't think there is any special ladies coach for disabled ladies.


At 12:50 PM 6/11/2012, you wrote:
this is happening to all the handicapped coaches. I was not aware 
there is a separate coache for handicapped ladies so far. Is that 
true? Is that available in all trains?

- Original Message - From: Kiran Baug kiranbaug2...@gmail.com
To: accessindia accessindia@accessindia.org.in
Sent: Monday, June 11, 2012 5:05 PM
Subject: [AI] Handicap coach is for ladies general passenger



Dear Members,

On Sunday, 10/06/2012, it was very urgent to go to Pune and there was
no time for reservation ticket.  I decided to get the general ticket
and catch the Handicap coach of Udyan express from Dadar.

Till time i located the handicap coach of Udyan express and entered
inside i found that the coach was full of ladies passengers as the
handicap coach is beside ladies general coach.

I tried lot to get in  but they was not letting me to get in and also
it was to late to get down and call the guard beside as train already
left.

I called to railway emergency number and asked to empty the coach in
kalyan and they assured me that they will but at Kalyan nobody arrived
from police staff and more ladies passenger and few gents board the
train.

Till time the handicap coach has converted in to general coach and i
was still standing near to door of the coach.

I called to railway helpline again and inform them that no police
staffs have attended to empty the coach.

the lady in the phone assured me that until and unless the coach is
empty the train will not leave.

Kurzat station went no actions were taken and the situation was more
worse.  No place to move anything even people went inside the toilet.

I again called to helpline that no staff attended the handicap coach
the call handler told me that ladies passengers has also called that
there is no space in ladies general compartment due to this they have
board the handicap coach and because of it guards and police staff is
not taking any action on my complaint.

I told her that handicap coach is only for the handicap people and not
for ladies general passenger so empty to coach as soon as possible and
told to her to empty the coach at current station

Next station was Lonawala and no police staff attended the coach and
lost the hope of getting the coach empty.

I reached Pune standing almost 4 hours.

This is my first experience of handicap coach of express and it was worse.

Regards,
Kiran Baug


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Re: [AI] Great Epic Mahabharata

2012-06-11 Thread mahendra

Dear Binni

in youtube you will find all the parts of Mahabharata.
give in surch feeld of youtube number like part 1-2-3 and so on.
enjoy.


At 12:13 PM 6/11/2012, you wrote:

Dear list members,
Sorry for resending the email with few corrections!

Can I find the great Epic Mahabharata either in an  e-text 
format  in English  or in an  audio format in Hindi from somewhere?

Thanks in anticipation!
Binni Kumari

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Re: [AI] Great Epic Mahabharata

2012-06-11 Thread Binni Kumari
Thanks allot sir!
How can I avail the same?
--
Dear Binni
I have it in CDs of the TV serial which was telecast way back in 1988.
It is available with me e text English as well but is toot tedious to read


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[mailto:accessindia-boun...@accessindia.org.in] On Behalf Of Binni Kumari
Sent: Monday, June 11, 2012 4:43 PM
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Subject: [AI] Great Epic Mahabharata

Dear list members,
Sorry for resending the email with few corrections!

Can I find the great Epic Mahabharata either in an  e-text format  in English  
or in an  audio format in Hindi from somewhere?
Thanks in anticipation!
Binni Kumari

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Re: [AI] Satyamev jayte: don't we require special schools any more?

2012-06-11 Thread bhawani shankar verma
you are right, special schools only can fulfill the basic requirements of 
disabled child. but, there are numbers of shops have already opened where so 
called normal and abled people are getting special training and become 
special teachers of disabled people. there are many blind trained sighted 
teachres are appointed, but, they don't know about the single word of 
braille. they are geting higher salary then their blind counterparts because 
they are trained teachers.
- Original Message - 
From: zoher zos...@gmail.com

To: accessindia@accessindia.org.in
Sent: Monday, June 11, 2012 11:24 AM
Subject: [AI] Satyamev jayte: don't we require special schools any more?



Dear friends,

Yesterday's program has importantly raised the issue of integrated 
education. Here it comes to my mind is, now onwards will we not require 
special schools for disabled?


My take on this issue is nothing can replace the need for special schools.

Following arguments can support my take.

1.   Every disabled child does not comes from the rich family, so he 
can have all the facility of assistive technology in his house. Because 
normal schools cannot provide with all the facilities.


2.   As show also pointed out that some of the parents are not accept 
their disabled child. So it is necessary to have the special schools so 
that Childs parents get proper counseling to accept their child. I don't 
think so any normal school can do so.


3.   Many of the disabled children's are over protected by their 
parents or many of them are overlooked by their parents. In both the case 
the child becomes introward, if in this situation he is put to sited 
school then he will not be able to cope with the situation.


4.   A disabled child needs to have some special tools to face the 
real world, such as communication skills, presenting oneself with 
confidence even with disability, or handling the subjects like math's 
science and geography he needs to have a special education. Now just 
imagine in India schools are not comfortable for normal students how they 
are going to accommodate disabled student?


Here I mean that at list special schools are necessary till 5th or 7th 
standard. Then the person is prepared to face the normal schools.


According to me, even giving entire education is in the special 
environment is also not viable, as finally one has to live in the 
integrated society.


To get our right place in the society the first thing is that a disabled 
should respect other disabled person.  In yesterdays show there was one 
person who was in my school and in college also. When I was talking to 
him, his mother came to me and told that keep away from my son, if he 
lives with disabled peoples then he will develop an inferiority complex.


Members please carry this thread for more discussion, so we can have 
enlightenment on this issue.


zoher kheriwala taheri menswear mumbai. skype id zoher.kheriwala

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Re: [AI] regarding translation of Satya Meva Jayate

2012-06-11 Thread tkg

sir
every Sunday from 11 Pm at asianet
- Original Message - 
From: Phen Varghese phenvargh...@gmail.com

To: accessindia@accessindia.org.in
Sent: Monday, June 11, 2012 11:23 AM
Subject: Re: [AI] regarding translation of Satya Meva Jayate



When is that?
At what time?


On 6/11/12, Renuka Warriar eren...@gmail.com wrote:

Hi Fen,
No need of waiting for the English translation.  The Malayalam
translation is being telicasted in the Asianet on the same day and
same time of each show.

On 6/11/12, Phen Varghese phenvargh...@gmail.com wrote:

Dear friend,

Please inform when it will be released in English language.

With best regard's,

Phen Varghese


On 6/11/12, rambabu adikesavalu rambabu_...@yahoo.com wrote:

Hai Friends,
This is in reference to the discussion on the availability of the
translation of Satya Meva Jayate in other languages,
It is being broadcasted in Tamil at the same time by Star Vijay TV. So,
those who could understand/follow Tamil can watch Star Vijay.
With regards,
Dr. A.Rambabu

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Re: [AI] Satyamev jayte: don't we require special schools anymore?

2012-06-11 Thread tkg

friends
in my point of view that  special school is needed in the primary level 
especially for vi children,  h I children   and mentally challenged 
children, they wanted to get   special training to cope with the 
society.but  in the  case of orthopedic  challenged
can do the thinks easily,  their main  problem is  to reaching the school 
premises most of the buildings are not  accessible.
by gopi t k- Original Message - 
From: Zujar Shabbir Kanchwala zujarbri...@gmail.com

To: zoher zos...@gmail.com; accessindia@accessindia.org.in
Sent: Monday, June 11, 2012 5:50 PM
Subject: Re: [AI] Satyamev jayte: don't we require special schools anymore?



The kind of pampering you're talking about happens out of lack of
awareness among such people who do it. And how can it be ensured that
it would not happen in higher classes? If teachers start dealing with
challenged students on a regular basis then automatically they would
understand that any mistake done by a challenged student should be
punished as equally as an able bodied student. Currenly, they just see
one or two such students and treat them specially or with liniency -
it's a case of disability illiteracy. Teachers in special schools may
not be doing such acts because they are more literate on the subject
of disability than their mainstream counterparts. Special schools
allow irregular attendance, are more flexible than required with
respect to students' behaviour and pamper challenged students in
various other ways. I was a mainstream student and don't recall an
incident when I had the privilege of not doing my homework or was
allowed in the class late. I too lost marks for untidy books or answer
sheets.

Teachers of higher classes are more mature than those of primary
classes. Where does this thought come from?

An inclusive school is supposed to be the one who not only admits
challenged students for name sake but it would also have the onus of
meeting special needs of such students. Some of the examples of such
needs are a computer equipped with a screen reader, sign language
interpreter, touch models, scribes for writing exams, etc. Of course,
it may not be viable for every school to have all such arrangements
but at least few of them can do so. The government and other NGOs can
certainly help schools with such arrangements.

And a cricket enthusiast would go to a cricket academy for learning
cricket not his regular academics. Similarly, a visually challenged
would go to a blinds rehabilitation center for learning mobility or
other such activity. Why does he need to go to a special school for
his regular academics? Let the special institutions continue with
special trainings like mobility, screen readers, sign language and so
on.

True that we cannot play outdoor games with others without some
adaptation and the others may not be ready to play with such
adaptations. But there are various other forms of interaction that
happen among children in schools. is it that if a challenged person
does his primary education through a special school and then joins a
mainstream school he would be able to play such games with the
able-bodied? The idea here is to present an opportunity to both the
parties to interact and understand each other in the earlier phases of
life when their minds are free from bias.

Yes! girls special and boys special schools are isolation
institutions. Majority of such students are gender biased and shy of
speaking to people of the other gender. The funnier part of the game
is that girls convent can have male teachers and vice versa.

On 6/11/12, zoher zos...@gmail.com wrote:
I am not agree on the point that going to special school is the pampering 
a


disabled child. It is the other way round. Many a times if a disabled 
child


goes to the normal school then teachers are little lenient about them and
ignores their mistakes. On the other hand the special schools treats the
disabled child as a normal child. In the show it was pointed out that let
the disabled child play with other children's, let him also fall, let he
also get stitches. But if we take first case that is let the disabled 
child


play with normal children's. How far it is practical, can a blind person
play cricket, foot ball or even dumb shears. But in blind schools he can
enjoy cricket, Wally ball, playing cards, kabbady and many more.   He 
falls


and he gets stitches also.

Now let us come to academics. The special schools gives the conceptual
clarity about many things regarding the scientific concepts and 
geographical


processes Through touch models. In the later stages when child goes to
normal school he can grab that subject easily . if the teachers of normal
schools does not know how to teach the particular subject or how to 
handle

particular situation with disabled student then that student can himself
guide the teacher please explain me like this.

Let me give my own example. In last year of BA I took economics as my
subject so the HOD of eco dept. 

Re: [AI] sangeetha tts

2012-06-11 Thread Umesha Economics

don't these voices come free with jaws 10 and higher?

Umesha

- Original Message - 
From: PRASHANTH prashanthmn1...@gmail.com

To: accessindia@accessindia.org.in
Sent: Saturday, 26 May, 2012 8:08 PM
Subject: Re: [AI] sangeetha tts



   What does the Ivona voices cost?
As I noticed demo of Ivona voices, some are very good and they sounds just 
like  human voices.



- Original Message - 
From: Renuka Warriar eren...@gmail.com

To: accessindia@accessindia.org.in
Sent: Saturday, May 26, 2012 7:54 PM
Subject: Re: [AI] sangeetha tts



Thank you Nirmalsir, for your detail reply.  I thought Sangeetha costs
more 1 lakh rupees.  Now I can apply with confidence.  This is for the
ICT Center for the Visually Challenged of the University of Calicut,
in which I am working.
Renuka E,
Section Officer,
ICT Centre for the Visually Challenged,

C H Mohammad Koya Library,University of Calicut.

On 5/26/12, Nirmal Verma nirmalkat...@gmail.com wrote:

Dear Renuka,

you can writer the following details:

company: nuance

voice family: realspeak

Accent: indian

Language: english

SAPI: SAPI5

frequency: 22khz

availaible at: nextup.com

price: 2647.38 Rs as on 26 may 2012


Nirmal Verma




additional software needed: textAloud for $ 5 if both of these taken
together.

voice sample available at
http://nextupdownloads.com/scansamples/sangeeta.wav

On Sat, May 26, 2012 at 2:23 PM, Renuka Warriar eren...@gmail.com 
wrote:



Hi,
Could anyone provide the link from where I can get the detailed
discribtion of the Sangeetha TTS?  When I googled for it I got only
the download links, not any discribtion.  I have to attach it along
with an application.

Thanks in advance,
Renuka.


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Re: [AI] what is run command to open my document and my computer in win 7

2012-06-11 Thread Umesha Economics
as I checked it with win xp, single dot leads to user profile folder, double 
dots to the documents and settings folder, and three dots to my computer. 
but I was not taken to my documents.


Umesha

- Original Message - 
From: Shona Man shonam...@gmail.com

To: accessindia@accessindia.org.in
Sent: Monday, 28 May, 2012 6:38 AM
Subject: Re: [AI] what is run command to open my document and my computer in 
win 7




In XP only one dot will land u in my documents and three dots into my
computer, I was looking for such command here, anyway thanx.

On 5/28/12, sunil sunilsangtan...@gmail.com wrote:

Type the ( . the dot sign ) in the run box it'll takes you in the user
folder. Not in the exactly in my document though.




--
LL.M candidate
at Faculty of Law in University of Delhi


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Re: [AI] HANDICAP COACH VACATED AGAIN

2012-06-11 Thread Umesha Economics
are these sound indicators implemented in all the stations? additionally, 
what is the indication? i.e., whether it is by announcement by a human or 
synthetic voice, or a specific sound signal?


Umesha

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From: harish har...@accessindia.org.in

To: accessindia@accessindia.org.in
Sent: Monday, 28 May, 2012 8:25 PM
Subject: Re: [AI] HANDICAP COACH VACATED AGAIN



Hi
At my neighbourhood railway station, the indicator, indicating the coach 
for the disabled was placed towards a wrong compartment. I SMS's my 
complaint and it was rectified thereafter.

Harish Kotian

- Original Message - 
From: bhawani shankar verma bsvermad...@gmail.com

To: access india accessindia@accessindia.org.in
Sent: Monday, May 28, 2012 6:42 PM
Subject: [AI] HANDICAP COACH VACATED AGAIN



hello accessindia!

my another experience regarding handicap coach here. on 27-05-2012 i was 
travelling from bilaspur to durg in handicap coach on train no.12855. 
there were 5-6 more blind passengers travelling in the coach. suddenly, 
10 to 12 female passengers were entered in the coach and trying to occupy 
our space and were arguing that nobody can get us down as we are lady 
passengers. finally I decided to vacate the coach and sent message to 
rail complaint to vacate the handicap coach. at next station force came, 
but they didn't have lady personnel with them, hence the coach can't be 
vacated on that station. but, on the next station, the force came with 
the lady police and the coach was vacated.


thanks,

bhawani

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Re: [AI] FW: Satya meya Jayate

2012-06-11 Thread Rohiet A. Patil
I think we must ad one most important name Mr. Prateek agarwal from jaipur 
in this list. I was expecting his interview in the show.
- Original Message - 
From: jayinfotech jayinfot...@yahoo.com

To: accessindia@accessindia.org.in
Sent: Monday, June 11, 2012 1:50 PM
Subject: [AI] FW: Satya meya Jayate




Was great to see our list member Ketan Kothari on show. Had Hope for 
others

including Harish Kotian, Sam Taraporewala, Shushmeetha  other on show.
Also no one from NAB Delhi or Mumbai, Happy Home for Blind Or other 
NGOs???


Amit Sanghvi
Father of Baby Aayushi Sanghvi





-Original Message-
From: accessindia-boun...@accessindia.org.in
[mailto:accessindia-boun...@accessindia.org.in] On Behalf Of Harish Kotian
Sent: Sunday, June 10, 2012 12:50 PM
To: accessindia@accessindia.org.in
Subject: [AI] Satya meya Jayate

Friends

It was indeed very thoughtful to have the spotlight on the issue of
disability in this episode of the programme.

Although the subject was treated wonderfully, regretly as often as reality
is quite different as idealism, we tend to face and deal with it a little
differently.

I wanted to extend a support SMS, for I strongly think it is necessary to
have an inclusive education campus without any further delay. However, the
sms number was only displayed on the screen and the programme gooffed up 
on

this subject of inclusiveness. What a cliche?

Anyways, we are used to such setbacks and keep our lives going and find
alternate means to do so.

Keeping with this spirit, I am turning to the list and I am sure friends
here would provide the number to send this support SMS.

I am also hopeful, members would support this initiative in large number.

Harish Kotian.



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Re: [AI] what is run command to open my document and my computer inwin 7

2012-06-11 Thread Sheik mohammedali
in xp type my documents and in win seven just type documents to open my 
documents directory.
- Original Message - 
From: Umesha Economics umesha@gmail.com

To: accessindia@accessindia.org.in
Sent: Monday, June 11, 2012 8:16 PM
Subject: Re: [AI] what is run command to open my document and my computer 
inwin 7



as I checked it with win xp, single dot leads to user profile folder, 
double dots to the documents and settings folder, and three dots to my 
computer. but I was not taken to my documents.


Umesha

- Original Message - 
From: Shona Man shonam...@gmail.com

To: accessindia@accessindia.org.in
Sent: Monday, 28 May, 2012 6:38 AM
Subject: Re: [AI] what is run command to open my document and my computer 
in win 7




In XP only one dot will land u in my documents and three dots into my
computer, I was looking for such command here, anyway thanx.

On 5/28/12, sunil sunilsangtan...@gmail.com wrote:

Type the ( . the dot sign ) in the run box it'll takes you in the user
folder. Not in the exactly in my document though.




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Re: [AI] reg-outlook express and face book

2012-06-11 Thread Umesha Economics
for your 1st question, you should not use ctrl + E. instead, you use Shift + 
f3 or Ctrl + Shift + F. the command Ctrl + E is to find contacts stored in 
your addressbook. Shift + F3 is to find a mail in the present folder. the 
command Ctrl + Shift + F I think is for finding mails from all the folders.


for your 2nd question, before pressing Shift + F7, press Ctrl + left arrow 
or ensure your curser is at the beginning or within the word looking for. 
the third question is already answered I think.


Umesha

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From: Zeba Naaz zeba.naa...@gmail.com

To: accessindia@accessindia.org.in
Sent: Wednesday, 30 May, 2012 10:03 PM
Subject: [AI] reg-outlook express and face book


hi all the Access Indian,

hope everybody is doing great
i am using outlook express 2003 with Jaws11 and windows xp problem
is that if i want to search one particular mail in outlook  i used
ctrl+e and type the name of that person and hit enter but  nothing
happend  and in word  if i want to checkmeaning of any word i type
the word and press shift+f7 but Jaws doesn't speak anything even i
press tab but nothing happend,i am using m.facebook.com if i want to
up load any of  photo so how to up load ?
  please do let me know the solutions for all of my queries,i would
really appriciate this waiting for all the prompt response.

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Re: [AI] Satyamev jayte: don't we require special schools anymore?

2012-06-11 Thread tkg

   friends
in my point of view that  special school is needed in the primary level
especially for vi children,  h I children   and mentally challenged
children, they wanted to get   special training to cope with the
society.but  in the  case of orthopedic  challenged
can do the thinks easily,  their main  problem is  to reaching the school
premises most of the buildings are not  accessible.
by gopi t k

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From: Zujar Shabbir Kanchwala zujarbri...@gmail.com

To: zoher zos...@gmail.com; accessindia@accessindia.org.in
Sent: Monday, June 11, 2012 5:50 PM
Subject: Re: [AI] Satyamev jayte: don't we require special schools anymore?



The kind of pampering you're talking about happens out of lack of
awareness among such people who do it. And how can it be ensured that
it would not happen in higher classes? If teachers start dealing with
challenged students on a regular basis then automatically they would
understand that any mistake done by a challenged student should be
punished as equally as an able bodied student. Currenly, they just see
one or two such students and treat them specially or with liniency -
it's a case of disability illiteracy. Teachers in special schools may
not be doing such acts because they are more literate on the subject
of disability than their mainstream counterparts. Special schools
allow irregular attendance, are more flexible than required with
respect to students' behaviour and pamper challenged students in
various other ways. I was a mainstream student and don't recall an
incident when I had the privilege of not doing my homework or was
allowed in the class late. I too lost marks for untidy books or answer
sheets.

Teachers of higher classes are more mature than those of primary
classes. Where does this thought come from?

An inclusive school is supposed to be the one who not only admits
challenged students for name sake but it would also have the onus of
meeting special needs of such students. Some of the examples of such
needs are a computer equipped with a screen reader, sign language
interpreter, touch models, scribes for writing exams, etc. Of course,
it may not be viable for every school to have all such arrangements
but at least few of them can do so. The government and other NGOs can
certainly help schools with such arrangements.

And a cricket enthusiast would go to a cricket academy for learning
cricket not his regular academics. Similarly, a visually challenged
would go to a blinds rehabilitation center for learning mobility or
other such activity. Why does he need to go to a special school for
his regular academics? Let the special institutions continue with
special trainings like mobility, screen readers, sign language and so
on.

True that we cannot play outdoor games with others without some
adaptation and the others may not be ready to play with such
adaptations. But there are various other forms of interaction that
happen among children in schools. is it that if a challenged person
does his primary education through a special school and then joins a
mainstream school he would be able to play such games with the
able-bodied? The idea here is to present an opportunity to both the
parties to interact and understand each other in the earlier phases of
life when their minds are free from bias.

Yes! girls special and boys special schools are isolation
institutions. Majority of such students are gender biased and shy of
speaking to people of the other gender. The funnier part of the game
is that girls convent can have male teachers and vice versa.

On 6/11/12, zoher zos...@gmail.com wrote:
I am not agree on the point that going to special school is the pampering 
a


disabled child. It is the other way round. Many a times if a disabled 
child


goes to the normal school then teachers are little lenient about them and
ignores their mistakes. On the other hand the special schools treats the
disabled child as a normal child. In the show it was pointed out that let
the disabled child play with other children's, let him also fall, let he
also get stitches. But if we take first case that is let the disabled 
child


play with normal children's. How far it is practical, can a blind person
play cricket, foot ball or even dumb shears. But in blind schools he can
enjoy cricket, Wally ball, playing cards, kabbady and many more.   He 
falls


and he gets stitches also.

Now let us come to academics. The special schools gives the conceptual
clarity about many things regarding the scientific concepts and 
geographical


processes Through touch models. In the later stages when child goes to
normal school he can grab that subject easily . if the teachers of normal
schools does not know how to teach the particular subject or how to 
handle

particular situation with disabled student then that student can himself
guide the teacher please explain me like this.

Let me give my own example. In last year of BA I took economics as my
subject so the HOD of eco dept. 

Re: [AI] HANDICAP COACH VACATED AGAIN

2012-06-11 Thread Umesha Economics

is there a difference in sending to either of these numbers?

Umesha

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From: li...@srinivasu.org li...@srinivasu.org

To: accessindia@accessindia.org.in
Cc: accessindia@accessindia.org.in
Sent: Tuesday, 29 May, 2012 10:07 AM
Subject: Re: [AI] HANDICAP COACH VACATED AGAIN



Also, one can send it to 9717630182

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On 29-May-2012, at 9:57 AM, Kotian, H P hpkot...@rbi.org.in wrote:


Hi
The SMS number to complaint is is 8121281212
Harish Kotian

-Original Message-
From: Vamshi. G [mailto:gvamsh...@gmail.com]
Sent: 28 May 2012 19:53
To: accessindia@accessindia.org.in
Subject: Re: [AI] HANDICAP COACH VACATED AGAIN

Hi,

How did you send the message to the railway authorities?

I really appreciate the authorities for acting so promptly.

On 5/28/12, bhawani shankar verma bsvermad...@gmail.com wrote:

hello accessindia!

my another experience regarding handicap coach here. on 27-05-2012 i was
travelling from bilaspur to durg in handicap coach on train no.12855. 
there
were 5-6 more blind passengers travelling in the coach. suddenly, 10 to 
12
female passengers were entered in the coach and trying to occupy our 
space

and were arguing that nobody can get us down as we are lady passengers.
finally I decided to vacate the coach and sent message to rail complaint 
to
vacate the handicap coach. at next station force came, but they didn't 
have
lady personnel with them, hence the coach can't be vacated on that 
station.
but, on the next station, the force came with the lady police and the 
coach

was vacated.

thanks,

bhawani

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Re: [AI] Satyamev jayte: don't we require special schools any more?

2012-06-11 Thread mukesh jain
Hello, I am not agreed with the statement
“special school do not provide adequate facility for the overall
developement of the disabled.”
 Because the special school in witch I have studied perhaps is the
most self sufficient school in the Asian region at that time. The art
of discipline, learning of doing all the work independently by self
while staying in hostel was commendable and I consider this to be the
great source of wealth especially when I am away from my close
relatives, parents or any other family members. I could learn many
independent skills while in the surrounding of my teachers who were
also differently abled, such as, washing the clothes, moving
independently in and around my home, etc, buying vegetables, cooking
the food etc.

Apart from the learning of these independent skills the school
administration used to arrange the picnic, visits to various
well-known film artists with the real demonstration of film production
etc these are just the additional and few of the activities witch I
can enumerate and there were many such countless so I feel that if I
would be in mainstream of inclusive school from the beginning I would
certainly be in the competitive environment but perhaps may not have
the real experience and their right solution at the right time.

I consider the principal of my school is to be a great god mother
without whom I would not be even in a position to talk to you and
could gain the education because this lady has devoted her life
entirely for the betterment of her blind students. She was very
disciplined and used to make sure that no child disobeys the rules of
the school. She used to be witnessed personally in each child’s
progress and monitor even minutely about the appearance, cleanliness,
timing of leaving the school on week end and joining back after the
said leave. Even though there use to be the persons delegated to keep
track of the same but still she use to be always active in taking the
regular reports from the concerned supervisors, teachers and dormitory
staffs.




On 6/11/12, Renuka Warriar eren...@gmail.com wrote:
 Hi zoher,
 You expressed my own opinion regarding special education up to upper
 primary class.  But, when I spoke about this to some of my blind
 friends, who had both special and inclusive education, they say that
 special school do not provide adequate facility for the overall
 developement of the disabled.  I cannot comment on this, since I had
 no experience in any of the special school.

 Renuka.

 On 6/11/12, zoher zos...@gmail.com wrote:
 Dear friends,

 Yesterday's program has importantly raised the issue of integrated
 education. Here it comes to my mind is, now onwards will we not require
 special schools for disabled?

 My take on this issue is nothing can replace the need for special
 schools.

 Following arguments can support my take.

 1.   Every disabled child does not comes from the rich family, so he
 can
 have all the facility of assistive technology in his house. Because
 normal
 schools cannot provide with all the facilities.

 2.   As show also pointed out that some of the parents are not accept
 their disabled child. So it is necessary to have the special schools so
 that
 Childs parents get proper counseling to accept their child. I don't think
 so
 any normal school can do so.

 3.   Many of the disabled children's are over protected by their
 parents
 or many of them are overlooked by their parents. In both the case the
 child
 becomes introward, if in this situation he is put to sited school then he
 will not be able to cope with the situation.

 4.   A disabled child needs to have some special tools to face the
 real
 world, such as communication skills, presenting oneself with confidence
 even
 with disability, or handling the subjects like math's science and
 geography
 he needs to have a special education. Now just imagine in India schools
 are
 not comfortable for normal students how they are going to accommodate
 disabled student?

 Here I mean that at list special schools are necessary till 5th or 7th
 standard. Then the person is prepared to face the normal schools.

 According to me, even giving entire education is in the special
 environment
 is also not viable, as finally one has to live in the integrated society.

 To get our right place in the society the first thing is that a disabled
 should respect other disabled person.  In yesterdays show there was one
 person who was in my school and in college also. When I was talking to
 him,
 his mother came to me and told that keep away from my son, if he lives
 with
 disabled peoples then he will develop an inferiority complex.

 Members please carry this thread for more discussion, so we can have
 enlightenment on this issue.

 zoher kheriwala taheri menswear mumbai. skype id zoher.kheriwala

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Re: [AI] Satyamev jayte: don't we require special schools any more?

2012-06-11 Thread Ajay Minocha
Hi friends,
I am not agree with this statement that in normal schools disabled
children are easily forgiven for their mistakes. In my school days I
was perhaps the most mischeavious student of my class specially till
10th standard but I used to be equally punished. My teachers don't
remember mefor standing first in class but those are the memories of
their punishments which are still alive with me as well as them. It is
true that practically a so called inclusive school cannot fulfill all
the needs of a disabled studentspecially in today's era. But it is
also true that a special school isolates him or her from general
environment. According to me disabled students must be sent to a
preparatory unit before exposing them to school. And as they grow
older then they must be given ediquit knowledge of mobility, self
presentation, screen readers, personal highgene etc. Now a days there
are many special educators and trainors who do these works as part
time jobs.  At least it is not difficult for those families which are
living in developed cities. But those disabled children who are living
in rural areas then at least till 5 to 10 years there is no such
practical substitute of a special school available for them.
Regards

On 6/11/12, mukesh jain mukesh.jai...@gmail.com wrote:
 Hello, I am not agreed with the statement
 “special school do not provide adequate facility for the overall
 developement of the disabled.”
  Because the special school in witch I have studied perhaps is the
 most self sufficient school in the Asian region at that time. The art
 of discipline, learning of doing all the work independently by self
 while staying in hostel was commendable and I consider this to be the
 great source of wealth especially when I am away from my close
 relatives, parents or any other family members. I could learn many
 independent skills while in the surrounding of my teachers who were
 also differently abled, such as, washing the clothes, moving
 independently in and around my home, etc, buying vegetables, cooking
 the food etc.

 Apart from the learning of these independent skills the school
 administration used to arrange the picnic, visits to various
 well-known film artists with the real demonstration of film production
 etc these are just the additional and few of the activities witch I
 can enumerate and there were many such countless so I feel that if I
 would be in mainstream of inclusive school from the beginning I would
 certainly be in the competitive environment but perhaps may not have
 the real experience and their right solution at the right time.

 I consider the principal of my school is to be a great god mother
 without whom I would not be even in a position to talk to you and
 could gain the education because this lady has devoted her life
 entirely for the betterment of her blind students. She was very
 disciplined and used to make sure that no child disobeys the rules of
 the school. She used to be witnessed personally in each child’s
 progress and monitor even minutely about the appearance, cleanliness,
 timing of leaving the school on week end and joining back after the
 said leave. Even though there use to be the persons delegated to keep
 track of the same but still she use to be always active in taking the
 regular reports from the concerned supervisors, teachers and dormitory
 staffs.




 On 6/11/12, Renuka Warriar eren...@gmail.com wrote:
 Hi zoher,
 You expressed my own opinion regarding special education up to upper
 primary class.  But, when I spoke about this to some of my blind
 friends, who had both special and inclusive education, they say that
 special school do not provide adequate facility for the overall
 developement of the disabled.  I cannot comment on this, since I had
 no experience in any of the special school.

 Renuka.

 On 6/11/12, zoher zos...@gmail.com wrote:
 Dear friends,

 Yesterday's program has importantly raised the issue of integrated
 education. Here it comes to my mind is, now onwards will we not require
 special schools for disabled?

 My take on this issue is nothing can replace the need for special
 schools.

 Following arguments can support my take.

 1.   Every disabled child does not comes from the rich family, so he
 can
 have all the facility of assistive technology in his house. Because
 normal
 schools cannot provide with all the facilities.

 2.   As show also pointed out that some of the parents are not
 accept
 their disabled child. So it is necessary to have the special schools so
 that
 Childs parents get proper counseling to accept their child. I don't
 think
 so
 any normal school can do so.

 3.   Many of the disabled children's are over protected by their
 parents
 or many of them are overlooked by their parents. In both the case the
 child
 becomes introward, if in this situation he is put to sited school then
 he
 will not be able to cope with the situation.

 4.   A disabled child needs to have some special tools 

Re: [AI] Self Appraisal Report

2012-06-11 Thread vivekananda
why only in banking even in government offices many blind persons do
not get work at all.  vivek

On 6/11/12, B. R. Nautial brnaut...@gmail.com wrote:
 most of the people have no work in their banks either in clerical or officer

 cadre. On the other hand,  the approach of the management is also very
 negative about disabled so something should be done soon to improve the
 situation.
 this is equally true that in the early stages, most of the blind persons got

 their jobs as an stenographer but now, a days, they don't have any work for

 them in the bank.
  With Regards
 B. R. Nautial
 - Original Message -
 From: harshalgip...@gmail.com
 To: accessindia@accessindia.org.in
 Sent: Monday, June 11, 2012 11:14 AM
 Subject: Re: [AI] Self Appraisal Report


 Rajesh sir and vamshi ji

 u both r true
 so many visually chalangers r working as a telephone operators

 but the designations r like administrator officers
 handeling departments


 currently i am working as a work place sullitions in the different banks


 i have saw lot of people r saying that there wont giving an oppurtunity to

 prove themsels in the banks
 and managers r not co-operative



 now a days


 what do u say this?
 -Original message-
 From: Vamshi. G
 Sent:  11/06/2012, 11:05  am
 To: accessindia@accessindia.org.in
 Subject: Re: [AI] Self Appraisal Report




 It is difficult because persons with disability are not allotted any work

 at all.  when work has not been allotted, where comes performance.
 recently a friend of mine said that her manager has termed disabled
 employees as NPAs of banks.

 Vamshi
 9949349497-Original message-
 From: li...@srinivasu.org
 Sent:  11/06/2012, 10:54  am
 To: accessindia@accessindia.org.in
 Cc: accessindia@accessindia.org.in; B. R. Nautial
 Subject: Re: [AI] Self Appraisal Report


 Did I miss something? Why do you feel it is difficult?

 Regards,
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 On 11-Jun-2012, at 10:51 AM, HARSHVARDHAN SINGH NEGI
 harshvardhan.n...@gmail.com wrote:

 No no Not 60 percent average but 75 percent each and every year.
 It is true now it's very difficult to get promotion specially for VI.
 Thanks and regard
 HS Negi

 - Original Message - From: B. R. Nautial brnaut...@gmail.com
 To: Access India accessindia@accessindia.org.in
 Sent: Friday, May 18, 2012 10:23 PM
 Subject: [AI] Self Appraisal Report


 Hello Friends
 Have a nice day to all of you
 Today I would like to divert your kind attention towards the Self
 Appraisal report to be submitted by each of the officer in all cadre to

 get further promotion in Indian banking system
 A few days ago, Government of India has released the new guidelines to
 give promotions in all cadre of officers. According the new guidelines,

 each of the officer has to earn average 60% marks in last 3 years for
 appearing the further promotion test

 I think that this is a very crucial situation for the disabled,
 specially for the visually impaired employee. This is equally true that

 he even will not get minimum qualifying marks in Self Appraisal report
 because most of them are not able to work properly in the banks due to
 several reasons.


 With Warm Regards
 B. R. Nautial
 Mobile: +919915073368

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Re: [AI] refused to give extra time while writting AP TET exam

2012-06-11 Thread Umesha Economics

dear shaik,
as another member replied earlier, you have some wrong perceptions and wrong 
actions. as they said, there is no government order or any universal law 
binding all examining authorities in the country. all that is there is a 
model guidelines prepared by the ministry of social justice and empowerment 
if I am not wrong. these model guidelines are only suggestive and not 
imperative for the examining authorities. each examining authority makes its 
own rules in the matter which are applicable to only specified exam or exams 
conducted by that authority.
there are number of communication and other gaps between and even within 
departments. since no binding law, the question of these gaps, the arrivals 
of the orders to the departments does not arise at all.
well you could have taken some precautionary steps to avoid this. instead of 
asking for extra time in the exam hall, you could have studied thoroughly 
the examination rules issued by your recruitment authority. if the rules 
were unclear, silent, or not available to you or if they would be 
detrimental for you, you could have written to the top officer of that 
recruiting agency for an urgent action. regarding the scribe also, you could 
have done the same thing. you could have enquired about the qualification, 
language and writing ability, knowledge of how to pronounce technical terms 
and notations of your subject. also, you could have negotiated the 
possibility of taking a speed test of the scribe. all that is gone. please, 
all the members, check such things well in advance before attending any exam 
in future.
now, as per my knowledge, the only option left is to make a complaint to the 
state commissioner of persons with disabilities and seek for a remedy. but, 
that is also not sure. and for your information, there is no rule stating 
extra time cannot be given in competitive exams. whether it is academic, or 
it is competitive exam, the problems of the VI are the same. and I have seen 
some exams like UGC NET and Karnataka Gazetted Probationers' exam, (KAS) 
where extra time is given in competitive exams. wish you all the best for 
your future.


Umesha

- Original Message - 
From: shaik sazid sazid_sha...@yahoo.co.in

To: accessindia@accessindia.org.in
Sent: Friday, 01 June, 2012 11:32 PM
Subject: [AI] refused to give extra time while writting AP TET exam


Hello list members,
On this day Andhra Pradesh government was conducted AP Teacher Eligibility 
Test. In the exam hall I asked the examiner to provide me extra time for me. 
the examiner advised me to talk with district education officer. after half 
an hour DEO visited my room I told him about my concern. He contacted the 
direcctor and refused me to provide extra time. He told me extra time is 
only permisible in acadamic class only not for competetive exam. I was 
schocked after hearing the news from an officer who is a District incharge 
for education department. Is it true extra time is permisible only for 
central government exams and academic exams?


Due to this distrubance I could not write the exam properly and I had not 
given extra time. I told the DEO that there is Government order which is 
applicable for all over the India. But he is not ready to take my point. 
Another thing is that class X student was provided as scribe for me. She was 
not having fluency in reading telugu terminology as well as phsycology 
terms. So it took lot of time to understand a question.


What should I do regarding this issue.

How should we educate District officers? Does the government orders reaches 
the officers? Will through the orders into dust bin? Is there is any 
communication gap between disability department and various department?


Please suggest me what to do and how to educate the district officers. To 
whom should I complaint regarding this.


regards,
SK. SAZID

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Re: [AI] FW: Satya meya Jayate

2012-06-11 Thread mukesh jain
hello,
i do agree that Mr. prateek agarwal would be the right person to
represent the visually challenged community but at the same time it is
also true that each of us can have their own suggestion and it is
quite difficult for the host to accomodate all the persons recommended
and hence, my suggestion is the representatives of NGO'S working for
the disabled, activists of national movement of PWD'S, few unemployed
who are struggling long for employment/self employment in private and
public sectors, victims of descrimination in the field of education,
employment, access etc should have been focussed more rather the
person who even do not want to call himself as part of PWD'S and don't
even really understand the pain of the similar colleagues around him
or feel shame to mingle around with the person who are in the similar
footing.
no doubt, previous  shows of  the satyamev jayte had drastic positive
results initiated by the various state governments  hence,  with the
hope that this is certainly a great  beginning leaving the ray of
improvements behind and hopefully with the implementation of the
suggestions of this forum.
thanks,
mukesh.

On 6/11/12, Rohiet A. Patil patil_ro...@dataone.in wrote:
 I think we must ad one most important name Mr. Prateek agarwal from jaipur
 in this list. I was expecting his interview in the show.
 - Original Message -
 From: jayinfotech jayinfot...@yahoo.com
 To: accessindia@accessindia.org.in
 Sent: Monday, June 11, 2012 1:50 PM
 Subject: [AI] FW: Satya meya Jayate



 Was great to see our list member Ketan Kothari on show. Had Hope for
 others
 including Harish Kotian, Sam Taraporewala, Shushmeetha  other on show.
 Also no one from NAB Delhi or Mumbai, Happy Home for Blind Or other
 NGOs???

 Amit Sanghvi
 Father of Baby Aayushi Sanghvi





 -Original Message-
 From: accessindia-boun...@accessindia.org.in
 [mailto:accessindia-boun...@accessindia.org.in] On Behalf Of Harish
 Kotian
 Sent: Sunday, June 10, 2012 12:50 PM
 To: accessindia@accessindia.org.in
 Subject: [AI] Satya meya Jayate

 Friends

 It was indeed very thoughtful to have the spotlight on the issue of
 disability in this episode of the programme.

 Although the subject was treated wonderfully, regretly as often as
 reality
 is quite different as idealism, we tend to face and deal with it a little
 differently.

 I wanted to extend a support SMS, for I strongly think it is necessary to
 have an inclusive education campus without any further delay. However,
 the
 sms number was only displayed on the screen and the programme gooffed up
 on
 this subject of inclusiveness. What a cliche?

 Anyways, we are used to such setbacks and keep our lives going and find
 alternate means to do so.

 Keeping with this spirit, I am turning to the list and I am sure friends
 here would provide the number to send this support SMS.

 I am also hopeful, members would support this initiative in large number.

 Harish Kotian.



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Re: [AI] Handicap coach is for ladies general passenger

2012-06-11 Thread Shona Man
Hi Kiran what was the number to which u called? Did u send the message
to 8121281212

On 6/11/12, bhawani shankar verma bsvermad...@gmail.com wrote:
 please write your matter with full detail of your journey to the director,
 passenger and marketing, railway board, rail bhawan, new delhi.
 - Original Message -
 From: Kiran Baug kiranbaug2...@gmail.com
 To: accessindia accessindia@accessindia.org.in
 Sent: Monday, June 11, 2012 5:05 PM
 Subject: [AI] Handicap coach is for ladies general passenger


 Dear Members,

 On Sunday, 10/06/2012, it was very urgent to go to Pune and there was
 no time for reservation ticket.  I decided to get the general ticket
 and catch the Handicap coach of Udyan express from Dadar.

 Till time i located the handicap coach of Udyan express and entered
 inside i found that the coach was full of ladies passengers as the
 handicap coach is beside ladies general coach.

 I tried lot to get in  but they was not letting me to get in and also
 it was to late to get down and call the guard beside as train already
 left.

 I called to railway emergency number and asked to empty the coach in
 kalyan and they assured me that they will but at Kalyan nobody arrived
 from police staff and more ladies passenger and few gents board the
 train.

 Till time the handicap coach has converted in to general coach and i
 was still standing near to door of the coach.

 I called to railway helpline again and inform them that no police
 staffs have attended to empty the coach.

 the lady in the phone assured me that until and unless the coach is
 empty the train will not leave.

 Kurzat station went no actions were taken and the situation was more
 worse.  No place to move anything even people went inside the toilet.

 I again called to helpline that no staff attended the handicap coach
 the call handler told me that ladies passengers has also called that
 there is no space in ladies general compartment due to this they have
 board the handicap coach and because of it guards and police staff is
 not taking any action on my complaint.

 I told her that handicap coach is only for the handicap people and not
 for ladies general passenger so empty to coach as soon as possible and
 told to her to empty the coach at current station

 Next station was Lonawala and no police staff attended the coach and
 lost the hope of getting the coach empty.

 I reached Pune standing almost 4 hours.

 This is my first experience of handicap coach of express and it was
 worse.

 Regards,
 Kiran Baug


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[AI] How delete a network in Windows 7

2012-06-11 Thread Ketan Kothari
He friends,

How do I delete a network in windows 7?  Could anyone kindly give me step by 
step guidance?  Thank you.

Ketan

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[AI] iOS 6 features

2012-06-11 Thread SYED IMRAN
Hi all

 

Guys who are using iPhone 3GS please share your accessibility experience
after updating your phone to iOS 6.


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Re: [AI] Satyamev jayte: don't we require special schools any more?

2012-06-11 Thread bhawani shankar verma
what about those child, where their parents don't want to keep their own 
disabled children at home with them. preparatory units! where so called 
trained teachers will be appointed and they will have the cream on the name 
of disabled students, can a sighted person learn braille in 15 days? if he 
can't is it possible that he can teach braille or other accesibility to the 
blind student within 15 days? why not special schools in every district? 
where billions of rupees are landing in sarva shiksha abhiyan by the 
government? the concept of integrated education is applicable only in so 
called cities of india? could anyone help me to get admission a blind girl 
living in very remote area, is 800 KMS from the capital city of 
chhattisgarh? no agency came out, finally we filed a petition in the high 
court of chhattisgarh and got order against the government that all the 
blind girls living in bastar have to occomodate for their schooling in the 
separate hostel at jagdalpur, the dist. headquarter of bastar. if SC AND ST 
sighted students can be facilitated in the separate hostel and schools by 
the government, why not disabled?


- Original Message - 
From: Ajay Minocha ajayminoc...@gmail.com

To: accessindia@accessindia.org.in
Sent: Monday, June 11, 2012 11:12 PM
Subject: Re: [AI] Satyamev jayte: don't we require special schools any more?


Hi friends,
I am not agree with this statement that in normal schools disabled
children are easily forgiven for their mistakes. In my school days I
was perhaps the most mischeavious student of my class specially till
10th standard but I used to be equally punished. My teachers don't
remember mefor standing first in class but those are the memories of
their punishments which are still alive with me as well as them. It is
true that practically a so called inclusive school cannot fulfill all
the needs of a disabled studentspecially in today's era. But it is
also true that a special school isolates him or her from general
environment. According to me disabled students must be sent to a
preparatory unit before exposing them to school. And as they grow
older then they must be given ediquit knowledge of mobility, self
presentation, screen readers, personal highgene etc. Now a days there
are many special educators and trainors who do these works as part
time jobs.  At least it is not difficult for those families which are
living in developed cities. But those disabled children who are living
in rural areas then at least till 5 to 10 years there is no such
practical substitute of a special school available for them.
Regards

On 6/11/12, mukesh jain mukesh.jai...@gmail.com wrote:

Hello, I am not agreed with the statement
“special school do not provide adequate facility for the overall
developement of the disabled.”
 Because the special school in witch I have studied perhaps is the
most self sufficient school in the Asian region at that time. The art
of discipline, learning of doing all the work independently by self
while staying in hostel was commendable and I consider this to be the
great source of wealth especially when I am away from my close
relatives, parents or any other family members. I could learn many
independent skills while in the surrounding of my teachers who were
also differently abled, such as, washing the clothes, moving
independently in and around my home, etc, buying vegetables, cooking
the food etc.

Apart from the learning of these independent skills the school
administration used to arrange the picnic, visits to various
well-known film artists with the real demonstration of film production
etc these are just the additional and few of the activities witch I
can enumerate and there were many such countless so I feel that if I
would be in mainstream of inclusive school from the beginning I would
certainly be in the competitive environment but perhaps may not have
the real experience and their right solution at the right time.

I consider the principal of my school is to be a great god mother
without whom I would not be even in a position to talk to you and
could gain the education because this lady has devoted her life
entirely for the betterment of her blind students. She was very
disciplined and used to make sure that no child disobeys the rules of
the school. She used to be witnessed personally in each child’s
progress and monitor even minutely about the appearance, cleanliness,
timing of leaving the school on week end and joining back after the
said leave. Even though there use to be the persons delegated to keep
track of the same but still she use to be always active in taking the
regular reports from the concerned supervisors, teachers and dormitory
staffs.




On 6/11/12, Renuka Warriar eren...@gmail.com wrote:

Hi zoher,
You expressed my own opinion regarding special education up to upper
primary class.  But, when I spoke about this to some of my blind
friends, who had both special and inclusive education, they say that
special school do not 

Re: [AI] How delete a network in Windows 7

2012-06-11 Thread bhawani shankar verma

To delete a network connection
1.Start Network and Sharing Center.

2.In the Tasks pane, click Manage networks.

3.Right-click the connection you want to delete, and then click Remove 
network.


4.In the Manage Networks - Warning dialog box, click OK.

The connection is removed from the list of connections that you can view or 
modify.


To delete a connection to a remote network
1.Open the Network Connections folder and view available connections.

2.Right-click the connection you want to delete, and then click Delete.

3.In the Confirm Connection Delete dialog box, click OK.

The connection is removed from the list of available connections that you 
can view or modify.


- Original Message - 
From: Ketan Kothari muktake...@gmail.com

To: access india accessindia@accessindia.org.in
Sent: Tuesday, June 12, 2012 6:56 AM
Subject: [AI] How delete a network in Windows 7



He friends,

How do I delete a network in windows 7?  Could anyone kindly give me step 
by step guidance?  Thank you.


Ketan

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[AI] Regarding Mobile Speak

2012-06-11 Thread Surinder

Hi,


From where can I get the license for the mobile speak?


Thanks


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Re: [AI] Regarding Mobile Speak

2012-06-11 Thread li...@srinivasu.org
Contact their dealer. I think, in India dealer is Karishma Enterprises. 
k...@vsnl.com


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On 12-Jun-2012, at 8:41 AM, Surinder suna1...@gmail.com wrote:

 Hi,
 
 From where can I get the license for the mobile speak?
 
 Thanks
 
 
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[AI] NAC recommendations on proposed disability rights legislation dated 31-5-2012 - download links

2012-06-11 Thread Vaishnavi Jayakumar
Quite right Vandana.

The PTI article seems to have gotten it wrong.

On Mon, Jun 11, 2012 at 9:11 PM, Vandana Gopikumar 
vandana.gopiku...@thebanyan.org https://mail.google.com/mail/mu/mp/61/
 wrote:

 This report doesn't say one legislation : It says for departments to work
in consultation to avoid duplication. Did I miss something ?

vandana

On Monday, 11 June 2012, Vaishnavi Jayakumar wrote:



  *31 May, 2012*

 Recommendations on the proposed Disability Rights Legislation

 NAC Recommendations  http://nac.nic.in/pdf/rpdb_recommendations.pdf[image:
 PDF will open in new window]

 Summary of NAC Recommendations http://nac.nic.in/pdf/rpbd_summary.pdf 
 [image:
 PDF will open in new window]

 Recommendations (Full) link http://nac.nic.in/pdf/rpdb_recommendations.pdf

 Summary link http://nac.nic.in/pdf/rpbd_summary.pdf



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Re: [AI] Regarding Mobile Speak

2012-06-11 Thread harshalgip...@gmail.com
Hello please contact below number
for the ms licence
name ram agarwal
contact no 09867310297
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To: accessindia@accessindia.org.in
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Subject: Re: [AI] Regarding Mobile Speak


Contact their dealer. I think, in India dealer is Karishma Enterprises. 
k...@vsnl.com


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 From where can I get the license for the mobile speak?
 
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Re: [AI] Satyamev Jayate uploaded

2012-06-11 Thread Nitesh
Hi asikbhai thenkyou for upload satyamev jayte.
Nitesh Sukhadiya.
Mobile number. +91997193
skype I.d. niteshsukhadiya
profession teacher. At palanpur B.K. Gujarat india.
   JAI JINENDRA-Original message-
From: Ashik Hirani
Sent:  11/06/2012, 6:24  am
To: Access India
Cc: VoiceVision; KeyBoard Users
Subject: [AI] Satyamev Jayate uploaded


Here is the link to download the last episode. The size is 18.5 MB:

http://www.sendspace.com/file/klsrwy

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Re: [AI] Beap every hour on my mobile

2012-06-11 Thread Shona Man
Himanshu, the way u told is not very much appritiated because even if
we set a tone simelar to a beep then it will not be stopped beeping
unless we stop it, here this person wants such auto beep as we see in
few watches which makes abeep every hour.

On 6/10/12, Mohammed Ahtesham Shaikh mohd.ahtes...@zedinc.in wrote:
 Check ovi store. Some softwares are available.

 --
 Sent from my Android phone with K-9 Mail. Please excuse my brevity.

 Rishi Kewalramani rishi.kewalram...@gmail.com wrote:

 Hi friends,
 Can I get my mobile, Nokia E61i with talks, to beap every hour or fix an
 alarm to ring every hour?
 I Need to do this to do a particular short exercise every hour.
 Of course, I'll be disabling it before I go off to sleep at night, smile.
 I tried looking for such a feature on my mobile but in vain.
 Is such a feature available on this phone?
 If not, can I install some software to achieve my goal?

 Many thanks/Regards,
 Rishi.

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Re: [AI] Satyamev jayte: don't we require special schools any more?

2012-06-11 Thread Asudani, Rajesh
The ideal of making each and every school accessible to all disabled is, just 
as I said, an ideal only.
Yes, the choice should be between special and inclusive schools, and not 
between special and mainstream school which do not know even the ABCD of 
disability.

Now, government under SSA contemplates to make all schools disabled friendly 
only by sending special teachers once a week who would assist all the disabled 
take education and sensitize mainstream teachers.
These are half hearted efforts making the lot of disabled students worse.
Education as always would remain a teasing illusion to many disabled.

-Original Message-
From: accessindia-boun...@accessindia.org.in 
[mailto:accessindia-boun...@accessindia.org.in] On Behalf Of mukesh jain
Sent: Monday, June 11, 2012 10:36 PM
To: accessindia@accessindia.org.in
Subject: Re: [AI] Satyamev jayte: don't we require special schools any more?

Hello, I am not agreed with the statement
special school do not provide adequate facility for the overall
developement of the disabled.
 Because the special school in witch I have studied perhaps is the
most self sufficient school in the Asian region at that time. The art
of discipline, learning of doing all the work independently by self
while staying in hostel was commendable and I consider this to be the
great source of wealth especially when I am away from my close
relatives, parents or any other family members. I could learn many
independent skills while in the surrounding of my teachers who were
also differently abled, such as, washing the clothes, moving
independently in and around my home, etc, buying vegetables, cooking
the food etc.

Apart from the learning of these independent skills the school
administration used to arrange the picnic, visits to various
well-known film artists with the real demonstration of film production
etc these are just the additional and few of the activities witch I
can enumerate and there were many such countless so I feel that if I
would be in mainstream of inclusive school from the beginning I would
certainly be in the competitive environment but perhaps may not have
the real experience and their right solution at the right time.

I consider the principal of my school is to be a great god mother
without whom I would not be even in a position to talk to you and
could gain the education because this lady has devoted her life
entirely for the betterment of her blind students. She was very
disciplined and used to make sure that no child disobeys the rules of
the school. She used to be witnessed personally in each child's
progress and monitor even minutely about the appearance, cleanliness,
timing of leaving the school on week end and joining back after the
said leave. Even though there use to be the persons delegated to keep
track of the same but still she use to be always active in taking the
regular reports from the concerned supervisors, teachers and dormitory
staffs.




On 6/11/12, Renuka Warriar eren...@gmail.com wrote:
 Hi zoher,
 You expressed my own opinion regarding special education up to upper
 primary class.  But, when I spoke about this to some of my blind
 friends, who had both special and inclusive education, they say that
 special school do not provide adequate facility for the overall
 developement of the disabled.  I cannot comment on this, since I had
 no experience in any of the special school.

 Renuka.

 On 6/11/12, zoher zos...@gmail.com wrote:
 Dear friends,

 Yesterday's program has importantly raised the issue of integrated
 education. Here it comes to my mind is, now onwards will we not require
 special schools for disabled?

 My take on this issue is nothing can replace the need for special
 schools.

 Following arguments can support my take.

 1.   Every disabled child does not comes from the rich family, so he
 can
 have all the facility of assistive technology in his house. Because
 normal
 schools cannot provide with all the facilities.

 2.   As show also pointed out that some of the parents are not accept
 their disabled child. So it is necessary to have the special schools so
 that
 Childs parents get proper counseling to accept their child. I don't think
 so
 any normal school can do so.

 3.   Many of the disabled children's are over protected by their
 parents
 or many of them are overlooked by their parents. In both the case the
 child
 becomes introward, if in this situation he is put to sited school then he
 will not be able to cope with the situation.

 4.   A disabled child needs to have some special tools to face the
 real
 world, such as communication skills, presenting oneself with confidence
 even
 with disability, or handling the subjects like math's science and
 geography
 he needs to have a special education. Now just imagine in India schools
 are
 not comfortable for normal students how they are going to accommodate
 disabled student?

 Here I mean that at list special schools are necessary till 5th or 7th
 

Re: [AI] what is run command to open my document and my computer inwin 7

2012-06-11 Thread Shona Man
somebody erlier pasted a list of shortcuts commands relating to
windows 7, that was a very good list, if any body could remind me what
was its subject so that i could search in previous mails.

On 6/11/12, Sheik mohammedali shahid.se...@gmail.com wrote:
 in xp type my documents and in win seven just type documents to open my

 documents directory.
 - Original Message -
 From: Umesha Economics umesha@gmail.com
 To: accessindia@accessindia.org.in
 Sent: Monday, June 11, 2012 8:16 PM
 Subject: Re: [AI] what is run command to open my document and my computer
 inwin 7


 as I checked it with win xp, single dot leads to user profile folder,
 double dots to the documents and settings folder, and three dots to my
 computer. but I was not taken to my documents.

 Umesha

 - Original Message -
 From: Shona Man shonam...@gmail.com
 To: accessindia@accessindia.org.in
 Sent: Monday, 28 May, 2012 6:38 AM
 Subject: Re: [AI] what is run command to open my document and my computer

 in win 7


 In XP only one dot will land u in my documents and three dots into my
 computer, I was looking for such command here, anyway thanx.

 On 5/28/12, sunil sunilsangtan...@gmail.com wrote:
 Type the ( . the dot sign ) in the run box it'll takes you in the user
 folder. Not in the exactly in my document though.



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Re: [AI] Self Appraisal Report

2012-06-11 Thread HARSHVARDHAN SINGH NEGI
Particularly in banking No reporting officer is ready to give very good 
marks due to his or her mind set against blind despites of performing 
excellently.
When a top level DGM said in a inter view we are providing you a job for 
livelihood not enjoyment. So you can see yourself what is the mind 
perception of a sited person.


- Original Message - 
From: li...@srinivasu.org li...@srinivasu.org

To: accessindia@accessindia.org.in
Cc: accessindia@accessindia.org.in; B. R. Nautial brnaut...@gmail.com
Sent: Monday, June 11, 2012 10:54 AM
Subject: Re: [AI] Self Appraisal Report



Did I miss something? Why do you feel it is difficult?

Regards,
Srinivasu
Sent from my iPhone

http://Srinivasu.org
Twitter: @vasutweets



On 11-Jun-2012, at 10:51 AM, HARSHVARDHAN SINGH NEGI 
harshvardhan.n...@gmail.com wrote:



No no Not 60 percent average but 75 percent each and every year.
It is true now it's very difficult to get promotion specially for VI.
Thanks and regard
HS Negi

- Original Message - From: B. R. Nautial brnaut...@gmail.com
To: Access India accessindia@accessindia.org.in
Sent: Friday, May 18, 2012 10:23 PM
Subject: [AI] Self Appraisal Report



Hello Friends
Have a nice day to all of you
Today I would like to divert your kind attention towards the Self 
Appraisal report to be submitted by each of the officer in all cadre to 
get further promotion in Indian banking system
A few days ago, Government of India has released the new guidelines to 
give promotions in all cadre of officers. According the new guidelines, 
each of the officer has to earn average 60% marks in last 3 years for 
appearing the further promotion test


I think that this is a very crucial situation for the disabled, 
specially for the visually impaired employee. This is equally true that 
he even will not get minimum qualifying marks in Self Appraisal report 
because most of them are not able to work properly in the banks due to 
several reasons.



With Warm Regards
B. R. Nautial
Mobile: +919915073368

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Re: [AI] reg-outlook express and face book

2012-06-11 Thread Phen Varghese
Hello,

If you want to upload a photo in  m.facebook.com
Then you should put your cursor after the share button.
after that you come down and you will see an option to upload a photo.
It is verry simple.
check out and if you have any doubts about it then pls talk to me
either online or offline.

With best regard's,

Phen Varghese
skype id:phen.varghese
facebook id:phenvarghese


On 6/11/12, Umesha Economics umesha@gmail.com wrote:
 for your 1st question, you should not use ctrl + E. instead, you use Shift +

 f3 or Ctrl + Shift + F. the command Ctrl + E is to find contacts stored in
 your addressbook. Shift + F3 is to find a mail in the present folder. the
 command Ctrl + Shift + F I think is for finding mails from all the folders.

 for your 2nd question, before pressing Shift + F7, press Ctrl + left arrow
 or ensure your curser is at the beginning or within the word looking for.
 the third question is already answered I think.

 Umesha

 - Original Message -
 From: Zeba Naaz zeba.naa...@gmail.com
 To: accessindia@accessindia.org.in
 Sent: Wednesday, 30 May, 2012 10:03 PM
 Subject: [AI] reg-outlook express and face book


 hi all the Access Indian,

 hope everybody is doing great
  i am using outlook express 2003 with Jaws11 and windows xp problem
 is that if i want to search one particular mail in outlook  i used
 ctrl+e and type the name of that person and hit enter but  nothing
 happend  and in word  if i want to checkmeaning of any word i type
 the word and press shift+f7 but Jaws doesn't speak anything even i
 press tab but nothing happend,i am using m.facebook.com if i want to
 up load any of  photo so how to up load ?
please do let me know the solutions for all of my queries,i would
 really appriciate this waiting for all the prompt response.

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Re: [AI] Handicap coach is for ladies general passenger

2012-06-11 Thread Kiran Baug
Hi

I have called to 022-2275.  This is mumbai railway helpline number.

Regards,
Kiran Baug

On 6/12/12, Shona Man shonam...@gmail.com wrote:
 Hi Kiran what was the number to which u called? Did u send the message
 to 8121281212

 On 6/11/12, bhawani shankar verma bsvermad...@gmail.com wrote:
 please write your matter with full detail of your journey to the
 director,
 passenger and marketing, railway board, rail bhawan, new delhi.
 - Original Message -
 From: Kiran Baug kiranbaug2...@gmail.com
 To: accessindia accessindia@accessindia.org.in
 Sent: Monday, June 11, 2012 5:05 PM
 Subject: [AI] Handicap coach is for ladies general passenger


 Dear Members,

 On Sunday, 10/06/2012, it was very urgent to go to Pune and there was
 no time for reservation ticket.  I decided to get the general ticket
 and catch the Handicap coach of Udyan express from Dadar.

 Till time i located the handicap coach of Udyan express and entered
 inside i found that the coach was full of ladies passengers as the
 handicap coach is beside ladies general coach.

 I tried lot to get in  but they was not letting me to get in and also
 it was to late to get down and call the guard beside as train already
 left.

 I called to railway emergency number and asked to empty the coach in
 kalyan and they assured me that they will but at Kalyan nobody arrived
 from police staff and more ladies passenger and few gents board the
 train.

 Till time the handicap coach has converted in to general coach and i
 was still standing near to door of the coach.

 I called to railway helpline again and inform them that no police
 staffs have attended to empty the coach.

 the lady in the phone assured me that until and unless the coach is
 empty the train will not leave.

 Kurzat station went no actions were taken and the situation was more
 worse.  No place to move anything even people went inside the toilet.

 I again called to helpline that no staff attended the handicap coach
 the call handler told me that ladies passengers has also called that
 there is no space in ladies general compartment due to this they have
 board the handicap coach and because of it guards and police staff is
 not taking any action on my complaint.

 I told her that handicap coach is only for the handicap people and not
 for ladies general passenger so empty to coach as soon as possible and
 told to her to empty the coach at current station

 Next station was Lonawala and no police staff attended the coach and
 lost the hope of getting the coach empty.

 I reached Pune standing almost 4 hours.

 This is my first experience of handicap coach of express and it was
 worse.

 Regards,
 Kiran Baug


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Re: [AI] Handicap coach is for ladies general passenger

2012-06-11 Thread mahendra

Hi Kiran

may be try sending SMS to the number 8121281212.
and  do tell us what is the response.
of course writing them about your expirianse.


At 06:15 AM 6/12/2012, you wrote:

Hi

I have called to 022-2275.  This is mumbai railway helpline number.

Regards,
Kiran Baug

On 6/12/12, Shona Man shonam...@gmail.com wrote:
 Hi Kiran what was the number to which u called? Did u send the message
 to 8121281212

 On 6/11/12, bhawani shankar verma bsvermad...@gmail.com wrote:
 please write your matter with full detail of your journey to the
 director,
 passenger and marketing, railway board, rail bhawan, new delhi.
 - Original Message -
 From: Kiran Baug kiranbaug2...@gmail.com
 To: accessindia accessindia@accessindia.org.in
 Sent: Monday, June 11, 2012 5:05 PM
 Subject: [AI] Handicap coach is for ladies general passenger


 Dear Members,

 On Sunday, 10/06/2012, it was very urgent to go to Pune and there was
 no time for reservation ticket.  I decided to get the general ticket
 and catch the Handicap coach of Udyan express from Dadar.

 Till time i located the handicap coach of Udyan express and entered
 inside i found that the coach was full of ladies passengers as the
 handicap coach is beside ladies general coach.

 I tried lot to get in  but they was not letting me to get in and also
 it was to late to get down and call the guard beside as train already
 left.

 I called to railway emergency number and asked to empty the coach in
 kalyan and they assured me that they will but at Kalyan nobody arrived
 from police staff and more ladies passenger and few gents board the
 train.

 Till time the handicap coach has converted in to general coach and i
 was still standing near to door of the coach.

 I called to railway helpline again and inform them that no police
 staffs have attended to empty the coach.

 the lady in the phone assured me that until and unless the coach is
 empty the train will not leave.

 Kurzat station went no actions were taken and the situation was more
 worse.  No place to move anything even people went inside the toilet.

 I again called to helpline that no staff attended the handicap coach
 the call handler told me that ladies passengers has also called that
 there is no space in ladies general compartment due to this they have
 board the handicap coach and because of it guards and police staff is
 not taking any action on my complaint.

 I told her that handicap coach is only for the handicap people and not
 for ladies general passenger so empty to coach as soon as possible and
 told to her to empty the coach at current station

 Next station was Lonawala and no police staff attended the coach and
 lost the hope of getting the coach empty.

 I reached Pune standing almost 4 hours.

 This is my first experience of handicap coach of express and it was
 worse.

 Regards,
 Kiran Baug


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Re: [AI] Regarding BSNL data card

2012-06-11 Thread Kiran Baug
Hi

Please try to use jaws cursor option of jaws.  Anything can be used
very easily with the help of jaws cursor.

Regards,
Kiran Baug

On 6/11/12, Anjaneyulu sanl...@rediffmail.com wrote:
 Hi Harish and list members
 lost month
 I brought BSNL 3G data card with RS 1798
 and first FRC is RS 51than I got 500MB
 but thing isI am not able to connect internet my self
 there is no options for connect to easy
 with out sighted helph I cant doing
 there is only option mouse click
 I also tryed through network  options
  which is located in control panel.

 I am useing Dell netbook 11.6 eanchess
  windows 7 ultimate.
 plese guide me in this regard
 are there any option to connect easy?

 S. Anjaneyulu
 MA. English Literature, BED.
  Tecnical qualification:
 computer
 Fundamentals,MS Windows,Office auto machine,Internet .
 Home address:
 HSNo. 5-222,
  Rattan colony,
 Kashame pate road,
 near rail way  station,
 Shadnagar,
 District:
  Mahaboobnagar,
 State:
 Andhra pradesh,
   509216,
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