Re: [AI] Signing off as a moderator

[Umesha S E]

Hi Harishji,
I feel very sad to hear the unfortunate decision by you. But I pray
you to reconsider the decision and continue as moderator. I know your
hard efforts in maintaining this huge list. hope it will not collapse
like inclusive planet. for short time, auto pilot mode is OK. but for
long time, we need your abled leadership. Where was Kiran Khaja
working? can we trace him from past information? if completely
impossible, can't we get the credentials from the server owners? let
us discuss on finding a solution for this problem and at any cost,
make sure that the list continues and you continue as moderator.

yours
Umesha S E
Assistant Professor of Economics,
Tumkur University,
Tumakuru, Karnataka
9480662242





On 2/17/17, Kotian, H P <hpkot...@rbi.org.in> wrote:
> Hi All
>
> Thanks everyone for your warm words. It was surprising and rewarding to
> receive messages from those who wrote to me privately who were on moderated
> mode as well.
>
> You can now write to Kiran directly his ID is kirankaj...@gmail.com
> I have not been lucky in reaching him, you can try yourself. Probably you
> can also drop a tweet.
>
> Warmly
> Harish Kotian
>
> -Original Message-
> From: AccessIndia [mailto:accessindia-boun...@accessindia.org.in] On Behalf
> Of Sakina Dhariwala
> Sent: Thursday, February 16, 2017 6:18 PM
> To: AccessIndia: a list for discussing accessibility and issues concerning
> the disabled. <accessindia@accessindia.org.in>
> Subject: Re: [AI] Signing off as a moderator
>
> Hi Harish, we will miss u a lot, as I used to send manny friends request to
> join both the list. Access India and Mobile Access India. Hope to see u back
> as a moderater soon.
> With warm regards Sakina.
>
> - Original Message -
> From: "Sana Samad" <sanasamad...@gmail.com>
> To: "AccessIndia: a list for discussing accessibility and issues concerning
> the disabled." <accessindia@accessindia.org.in>
> Sent: February 07, 2017 08:40 PM
> Subject: Re: [AI] Signing off as a moderator
>
>
>> On 2/7/17, Kotian, H P <hpkot...@rbi.org.in> wrote:
>>> All the members of the AccessIndia family
>>>
>>> It is taking me considerable efforts penning down this mail. I am
>>> fighting down mixed emotions to put this down.
>>>
>>> Well, as  is said, what is is permanent is change. So, I have decided
>>> to step down from the moderator role, which I have been discharging
>>> for all these years.
>>>
>>> It takes me back, when Kiran Kaja asked me to take this role as he
>>> got preoccupied with a job change then. I happily took it up as it
>>> was a good platform to get connected with. I did realize the
>>> potential of this platform and it gave me an opportunity to return
>>> back to the society which gave me so much.
>>>
>>> I held the list in trust and tried to serve it to the best of my
>>> ability.
>>> I
>>> do cherish the considerable love I got from all the members. I am
>>> also thankful to the mentors team who worked quietly in the
>>> background to make the list more agreeable and cohesive.
>>>
>>> Kiran is the list owner and it was agreed, he would ensure the
>>> platform is up and running. My role was to keep the conversation on
>>> the list on an acceptable level adhering to the list guidelines which
>>> we had worked on.
>>>
>>> All was fine, until a year now, there are some issues regarding the
>>> platform. There are bugs in the pages where I have to approve new
>>> members etc. For almost a year, there is no addition of members to the
>>> list.
>>> Those
>>> who are in digest mode are not getting mails for the last 5 months
>>> etc. I having been writing to him regarding these issues. It seems, I
>>> have lost all contacts with him.
>>>
>>> This is not getting me anywhere and I don't want to take blame for
>>> lapses for which I am not responsible for. If we do encounter server
>>> issues similar to what we had in the past, there is pretty little I
>>> can do as I don't have any credentials of this platform.
>>>
>>> I gave myself a very long rope, however, I am run out of it. If
>>> anyone from the list can somehow reach out to him, probably we can
>>> get the list to order.
>>>
>>> To my mind, this list has grown almost to an institution heights. I
>>> shudder to think it take the InclusivePlanet way.
>>> Being an ardent optimist, I do hope the list shall overcome this
>>> rough patch.
>>>
>>> So what it w

Re: [AI] The Hindu paper in soft copy

[Umesha S E]

Hi Vamshi ji and others,

I have a better solution than that provided by that organisation.
there are few issues: I need a web hosting account to provide it to
others. also, there are copyright issues. moreover, I am very busy on
my Ph.D work for next 4 months.

Umesha


On 8/14/16, Vamshi. G  wrote:
> Dear friends,
>
> I remember "The Hindu" paper being delivered in soft copy by some
> organisation from Chennai.  Can someone provide information as to how
> to get it?  Or is there a way to get the paper in accessible format by
> subscribing to the same?
>
>
> --
> G. Vamshi
> Mobile: +91 9949349497
> Skype: gvamshi81
>
> WWW.VIBEWA.ORG
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Re: [AI] Query regarding railway smart card.

[Umesha S E]

government will not accept it. we can demand that it should be done
within one week rather than present 3 months. also we can demand for
counters in major railway stations for issuing the card.

Umesha

On 6/5/16, Surya Prakash  wrote:
> Yes, it should be valid for life time. But I don't think that govt. Will be
>
> ready to accept it.
>
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>
> On June 3, 2016 5:23:09 PM Mohib Anwar Rafay  wrote:
>
>> Yes, it should be made for the life time, provided a person is having
>> permanent disability certificate. So we can request the government to
>> extend the validity of railway certificate for the life in case of
>> permanent disability.
>>
>> On 6/3/16, SHANKAR DIGUVAPALLI  wrote:
>>> how ever they did not tell us the process of renewal of smart card
>>> because it is a long process all the people can't go to drm office
>>> every 5 years so we all should fight for lifetime validity of smart
>>> cards. please share your views on life time validity of smart cards.
>>>
>>> On 6/3/16, Surya Prakash  wrote:
 Hello,
 Thank you all for sharing your experience regarding the so called
 railway
 smart card. This suggests that govt. Has accepted our long pending
 demand
 halfheartedly. In my view we should write directly to Mr. Prabhu in
 this
 regard. The card should be valid for at least 5 years from the date of
 issuance and not from the date of issuance of the concession
 certificate.

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 On June 3, 2016 11:28:40 AM vivek doddamani 
 wrote:

> Dear Mohib when I had first visited DRM new delhi in Feb 2015 with old
> concession certificate they told it was not valid get new concession
> certificate from NFB then immediately on 15th Feb 2015 I got new
> concession certificate from NFB delhi & applied for Railway ID card on
> 25th Feb 2015 & the card was done on 22nd April 2015 but they never
> called me I myself went to enquire about the ID card in August 2015
> there I saw my card was done in april 2015, here another thing is the
> railway authorities have stamped full on my concession certificate
> that the concession certificate is of no valid in future because of
> issuing of ID card.
>
> On 6/2/16, Mohib Anwar Rafay  wrote:
>> In the notification, nothing of such sort has been mentioned that the
>> validity of the smart card will be different for different
>> disabilities. If one is holding permanent disability certificate, its
>> dumb to say that you may retain sight on eye donation.
>>
>> On 6/2/16, SHANKAR DIGUVAPALLI  wrote:
>>> When i questioned the issuing authority about the validity he said
>>> that for other disabilities like oh, and hh. it is five years from
>>> the
>>> date of issuing the smart card. but for visually impaired it is five
>>> years from the date of concession cirtificate when i questioned him
>>> again and again he said that "if anyone donate an eye you can retain
>>> sight." i was shocked by that reply.
>>>
>>> On 6/2/16, SHANKAR DIGUVAPALLI 
>>> wrote:
 It is true i collected applications from 70 visually impaired
 persons
 and got smart cards for all of them at guntakallu in andhrapradesh
 the
 issueing authority said that he issued smart card from the date of
 the
 issuing of concession by the local doctor therefore you should
 submit
 the latest concession cirtificate so that you can get smart card
 valied upto 5 years from the date of issueing the smart card.

 On 6/1/16, Surya Prakash  wrote:
> Hello
> Has anyone from the list received his/her railway ID card? If yes,
> what
> is
> the expiry date of the card? Actually, a friend of mine has just
> received
> his card which is valid up to November 2017.
> Is it not a joke? The concession certificate which we are using
> till
> now
> is
>
> valid for 5 years from the date of issuance. Anyone eligible for
> the
> concession can get the certificate within no time. But the smart
> card
> which
>
> is being issued in 3 to 6 months is valid for 1 or two years.
>
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[AI] possible spam

[Umesha S E]

dear moderator and the team, I am getting the trailing mail to this
message at the end of all the threads of access india of today. please
look into it and resolve the matter. find the person who is causing
the nuisance and bring into control.

Umesha S E

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[AI] info about finereader needed

[Umesha S E]

friends,
I need the following information on finereader.

what is the latest version of the software?
what is its price?
whom can we contact for purchasing it.

please enlighten.

Umesha


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[AI] how to create venn diagram?

[Umesha S E]

friends,
I have 3 lists of markets which sell coconut, copra, tender coconut
respectively. there is some overlapping i.e. some markets sell more
than 1 product. is there a way to combine them and draw a venn diagram
showing number of markets selling each product and intersections?
which software can be helpfull? can you explain the procedure?

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Re: [AI] A disabled-friendly home By DBN Murthy

[Umesha S E]

no, I am not asking that. what I am asking is the name and other
contact details of that organization so that we can directly request
it to provide the article or we can buy their publications if any. do
you have any problem in telling the name of that organization?

Umesha


On 4/11/16, Sandeep Singh <sandeepsingh...@gmail.com> wrote:
> Hi Umesha,
> I will try to take permission from them to share the articles with our list.
> Thanks and regards,
> Sandeep
>
> On 4/11/16, Umesha S E <umesha@gmail.com> wrote:
>> may we know the name of that organization? can we get the series from
>> that organization?
>>
>> Umesha
>>
>>
>> On 2/21/16, Sandeep Singh <sandeepsingh...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>> HiUmesha,
>>> This series has more than 30 articles and was written for a
>>> professional organization. It wouldn't be possible to share a
>>> compilation of those articles. However, I shall try putting all the
>>> relevant info and uploading it somewhere. I understand it could be
>>> very useful for the PWD community.
>>> Best regards,
>>> Sandeep
>>>
>>> On 2/20/16, Umesha S E <umesha@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>> Sandeep,
>>>> can you compile all those articles and make available somewhere?
>>>>
>>>> Umesha
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> On 2/20/16, Sandeep Singh <sandeepsingh...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>> Good article Avinash. Let me add a few more points:
>>>>> Staircases and balconies should have at least two handrails, one at a
>>>>> lower level to give support to elderly or disabled when needed.
>>>>> Additionally, steps should not have any nosing (portion protruding
>>>>> from steps outside for beauty mostly). Instead steps should be made
>>>>> extending from bottom to the top in continuity.
>>>>> Doors (especially bathroom doors) should have a square sheet of glass
>>>>> near bolts. One might break the glass to open the door in case an
>>>>> elderly or disabled person has a fall and door is locked from inside.
>>>>> Switches should be provided near water closets in toilets and beds in
>>>>> the rooms for emergency bells to be used by these persons when in
>>>>> distress.
>>>>> Carpets may be provided if possible in the rooms for elderly or those
>>>>> who are likely to fall down often. This can limit their injuries. Also
>>>>> useful for Parkinsons patients.
>>>>> All the articles in the house should have round corners instead of
>>>>> having sharp corners. This includes furniture, walls, doors and
>>>>> cupboards etc. This is to avoid sharp or deep cuts in case someone
>>>>> falls on these articles.
>>>>> I had written a long series of articles on designing for disabled.
>>>>> Cannot share it here but will keep giving more tips.
>>>>> Best regards,
>>>>> Sandeep
>>>>>
>>>>> On 2/19/16, avinash shahi <shahi88avin...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>> If there is a disabled or elderly person in the family, it is
>>>>>> essential to tailor your home to meet their needs too, asserts DBN
>>>>>> Murthy
>>>>>> http://www.deccanherald.com/content/529704/a-disabled-friendly-home.html
>>>>>> As people grow older, a home needs to be disabled-friendly to make
>>>>>> life of such elderly individuals easy. It must assist them in coping
>>>>>> with their daily lives in a way that is as near to normal as possible,
>>>>>> without them having to seek assistance from anyone else.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Most homes are designed for ‘normal’ people who do not need any
>>>>>> external assistance to manage their daily routine. People can go about
>>>>>> their lives comfortably in their homes. But there are many others, for
>>>>>> whom even simple chores can be a challenge. Prevention is the mantra
>>>>>> while making a home safe for the disabled and elderly.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Ramp instead of stairs
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Steps at the entrance to a home as well as inside are a major hurdle
>>>>>> for disabled people who find it difficult to manage steep steps on
>>>>>> their own. It would be desirable to have a low-gradient ramp besides
>>>>>> the steps so that those who ha

Re: [AI] A disabled-friendly home By DBN Murthy

[Umesha S E]

may we know the name of that organization? can we get the series from
that organization?

Umesha


On 2/21/16, Sandeep Singh <sandeepsingh...@gmail.com> wrote:
> HiUmesha,
> This series has more than 30 articles and was written for a
> professional organization. It wouldn't be possible to share a
> compilation of those articles. However, I shall try putting all the
> relevant info and uploading it somewhere. I understand it could be
> very useful for the PWD community.
> Best regards,
> Sandeep
>
> On 2/20/16, Umesha S E <umesha@gmail.com> wrote:
>> Sandeep,
>> can you compile all those articles and make available somewhere?
>>
>> Umesha
>>
>>
>> On 2/20/16, Sandeep Singh <sandeepsingh...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>> Good article Avinash. Let me add a few more points:
>>> Staircases and balconies should have at least two handrails, one at a
>>> lower level to give support to elderly or disabled when needed.
>>> Additionally, steps should not have any nosing (portion protruding
>>> from steps outside for beauty mostly). Instead steps should be made
>>> extending from bottom to the top in continuity.
>>> Doors (especially bathroom doors) should have a square sheet of glass
>>> near bolts. One might break the glass to open the door in case an
>>> elderly or disabled person has a fall and door is locked from inside.
>>> Switches should be provided near water closets in toilets and beds in
>>> the rooms for emergency bells to be used by these persons when in
>>> distress.
>>> Carpets may be provided if possible in the rooms for elderly or those
>>> who are likely to fall down often. This can limit their injuries. Also
>>> useful for Parkinsons patients.
>>> All the articles in the house should have round corners instead of
>>> having sharp corners. This includes furniture, walls, doors and
>>> cupboards etc. This is to avoid sharp or deep cuts in case someone
>>> falls on these articles.
>>> I had written a long series of articles on designing for disabled.
>>> Cannot share it here but will keep giving more tips.
>>> Best regards,
>>> Sandeep
>>>
>>> On 2/19/16, avinash shahi <shahi88avin...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>> If there is a disabled or elderly person in the family, it is
>>>> essential to tailor your home to meet their needs too, asserts DBN
>>>> Murthy
>>>> http://www.deccanherald.com/content/529704/a-disabled-friendly-home.html
>>>> As people grow older, a home needs to be disabled-friendly to make
>>>> life of such elderly individuals easy. It must assist them in coping
>>>> with their daily lives in a way that is as near to normal as possible,
>>>> without them having to seek assistance from anyone else.
>>>>
>>>> Most homes are designed for ‘normal’ people who do not need any
>>>> external assistance to manage their daily routine. People can go about
>>>> their lives comfortably in their homes. But there are many others, for
>>>> whom even simple chores can be a challenge. Prevention is the mantra
>>>> while making a home safe for the disabled and elderly.
>>>>
>>>> Ramp instead of stairs
>>>>
>>>> Steps at the entrance to a home as well as inside are a major hurdle
>>>> for disabled people who find it difficult to manage steep steps on
>>>> their own. It would be desirable to have a low-gradient ramp besides
>>>> the steps so that those who have difficulty can use it. It is not
>>>> practical to have lifts in such homes as it is expensive and needs
>>>> regular maintenance.
>>>>
>>>> Such lifts (or elevators) are possible in multi-storied/ high-rise
>>>> buildings. Sometimes, a gentle rise involving steps with less height
>>>> could do the trick for those who are older, but in good health. It
>>>> depends upon the architect, designer and engineer to make such stairs
>>>> that could be more user-friendly.
>>>>
>>>> Similarly, all door steps may be avoided if the home is to be
>>>> wheelchair-friendly. Locks and bolts should be at convenient heights
>>>> for ease of assess. And these should be simple but effective.
>>>>
>>>> A bathroom or toilet could be a tricky area for the disabled and
>>>> elderly residents. This is where most accidents occur. The flooring
>>>> should be skidproof with railings so that one can hold this while
>>>&g

Re: [AI] This is how I could not make my railway disability card

[Umesha S E]

dear friends,
according to the railway circular, the id card should be obtained from
the DRM office within whose jurisdiction the concession certificate is
issued. but, railway staff say it should be obtained from where the
person is residing. what should be done if the 2 addresses are
different? my address belong to mysore division while my concession
certificate was issued from bangalore.

Umesha


On 3/11/16, Pinkesh Tailor  wrote:
> What I think is that, other then posting our good and bad experience
> with government admin offices on access India, we must also post the
> same on our social media pages including government social media
> pages, so that it can be viewed by many people on the network.
>
> On 3/10/16, Niranjanraj Urs  wrote:
>> On 3/9/16, Zoher  wrote:
>>> Friends,
>>>
>>> Today I decided to apply for Railway disabled I card, for this I
>>> approached
>>> DRM office cst/vt railway station.
>>>
>>> There the person checked my all document and told that the disability
>>> certificate is of Sir JJ Hospital and your concession certificate is
>>> from
>>> Worli sea face. So as per your concession certificate you have to go to
>>> Mumbai central Railway station to make the I card.
>>>
>>> I went to Mumbai central railway station, as searching the DRM office in
>>> station premises was itself was a Brilliant task of investigation.
>>>
>>> I could locate the office after half an hour and again disappointed by
>>> the
>>> reply from officer.
>>>
>>> He told me that you have to visit CST/VT railway station as your
>>> handicapped
>>> certificate is from Sir JJ hospital which does not come under us. I
>>> argued
>>> with him that my concession certificate is from Worli NAB, He replied we
>>> are
>>> more concerned with disability certificate and we cannot verify 2
>>> different
>>> certificate at 2 different places. I asked what should I do next? He
>>> replied
>>> go to Sir JJ hospital and make your Railway concession certificate.
>>>
>>> I followed the instruction and went to JJ hospital and took almost 45
>>> minutes to locate the eye department. Over there I came to know that the
>>> time for case paper is only up to 11:30 am. I asked I just want to make
>>> railway concession certificate and I have a disability certificate
>>> issued
>>> by
>>> the same hospital.
>>>
>>> They replied go to clerk office and get the information. Again the task
>>> of
>>> locating the clerk office was as difficult as searching diamond from
>>> coal
>>> mine, I completed this task within 25 minutes.
>>>
>>> In clerk office I was told that we don't have concession certificate
>>> format
>>> so go to CST railway station or take the printout online and after
>>> filling
>>> the form get here to certify.
>>>
>>> By this time my energy was completely exhausted and I decided to go back
>>> to
>>> my office.
>>>
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>> Dear Friends,
>> Very sad ti hear the the trauma you have underwent. First, let me
>> suggest you please send the same mail to Shri Suresh Prabhu Honourable
>> Railway Minister , so that he may take to task his officialsCertainly
>> this is not the way any responsible Railway Official should behave.
>> As far as  the procedure in Kerala (S.Railway) is concerned, a few
>> months back they had issued a press note in all major newspapers,
>> giving the names of of nodel officers with their name, landline no,
>> mobile no etc and the date within which one has to file the
>> application for issuance of id card. The documents to accompany the
>> application were also advertised. The id cards will be issued by the
>> Divisional Office. One can keep in touch  with the nodel officer over
>> phone till id certificate is received.
>> Take my own case. I was issued the blindness certificate by Medical
>> Board when I was at Thiruvananthapuram. Now, I am at Kannur some 500
>> kms from Thiruvananthapuram. I got the certificate  issued by the
>> Medical Officer from a PHC at Kannur based on the above mentioned BC
>> issued by the MB at 

Re: [AI] Why the tricolor makes no sense to me.

[Umesha S E]

where is the moderator? who was taking strict action for small mistakes?

Umesha S E


On 2/22/16, Vedprakash Sharma <vedprakash.sha...@gmail.com> wrote:
> No institution can be termed as good or bad. It is the members of the
> institution, which really matter.
> We know that JNU has given its contribution in many spheres of life.
> In fact, the whole JNU community has not been termed as bad or
> anti-national.
> Those who raised antinational slogans, those who participated in that
> particular event, those who tried to justify the act in the name of freedom
> of expression, must introspect.
> As for the accessibility issue, a lot needs to be done. Not only the flag,
> there are many other matters related to accessibility more important than
> the national flag.
> Being a totally blind, I cannot see the colours.
> There are colour recognizers, but those machines will never describe the
> beautiful feelings which a patern of colourful design can create in one's
> mind.
> However efforts one can make in the direction of accessibility, I have to
> live without the beauty of colors.
> Many more examples can be sited.
> When one draws the rope and suddenly the flag opens, flowers shower and it
> spreads and unfurls in the horizon. Those who have vision can enjoy this
> unfurling of flag and I cannot. So, should I question the unfurling of flags
> altogether?
> Exciting Offers to Grab  Vedprakash Sharma
>
> -Original Message-
> From: AccessIndia [mailto:accessindia-boun...@accessindia.org.in] On Behalf
> Of avinash shahi
> Sent: Monday, February 22, 2016 12:42 PM
> To: AccessIndia: a list for discussing accessibility and issues concerning
> the disabled. <accessindia@accessindia.org.in>
> Subject: Re: [AI] Why the tricolor makes no sense to me.
>
> Hang on, take a deep sigh and drink some chilled water friends. I'm a
> die-heart Indian  however I've my thinking mind and I love to use it.
> National bird, (peacock), National chakra (Ashoka stoop), National flower
> (lotus), and the most important our tricolor (Tiranga Jhanda) is more or
> less inaccessible to a completely blind. Shouldn't I raise my concern on
> this? please contemplate.  I agree raised slogans were wrong and I condemn,
> however branding entire university as anti-national is utterly wrong. JNU
> has served the nation in all spheres including disability advocacy and
> disability studies. So please don't divert from the substance of the topic
> and think then debate. I'd love to answer your queries if moderator permits
> further.
>
>
>
>
>
>
> On 2/22/16, P. Subramani <subramani6...@gmail.com> wrote:
>> I don't understand as to why  flaghoisting and disability is  mixed up.
>> there is no relations between the two,  surely rights/accessibility
>> for the disabled can be discussed in this group.  But what has this
>> group got to do flaghoisting? This is definitely off-topic.
>> Anti-national elements are trying to highjack this group as well.  The
>> moderater may look into this.
>> There could be disagreements/differences with the govt, but not
>> against the country.
>> E-Mail:  subramani6...@gmail.com
>> Mob:  9738150192
>> Facebook: facebook.com/subu.subramani.16
>> - Original Message -
>> From: "muruganandan.k" <send2...@gmail.com>
>> To: "AccessIndia: a list for discussing accessibility and issues
>> concerningthe disabled." <accessindia@accessindia.org.in>
>> Sent: Sunday, February 21, 2016 12:29 AM
>> Subject: Re: [AI] Why the tricolor makes no sense to me.
>>
>>
>>> When the MHRD or UGC have not done anything substantial to establish
>>> equal opportunity cell or HEPSN cell for persons with special needs
>>> in the Central universities, when these so-called guardians of
>>> higher-education in India have hardly paid attention to the
>>> implementation of 3 per cent reservation for the PWDs in educational
>>> institutions, when the Central Government is not willing to obey even
>>> the order of Supreme Court of India in fulfilling its
>>> responsibilities to the PWDs in employment, why so much strain and
>>> stress is taken to hoist flags in the central universities? You may
>>> take pride in hoisting flags, But it makes no sense when the police
>>> forces are able to beat-up the blind and disabled all over the
>>> country with unquestionable authority and brutality. If you think
>>> Avinash is getting emotional, feeling patriotic about the flag
>>> hoisting is more an emotional cry! Patriotism can be truly proved
>>> only through our commitment to the people, respect for a

Re: [AI] [Bulk] Re: Railways sends blind candidates to faraway centres fortests

[Umesha S E]

someone said his center is 40 hours away from his place. out of
curiosity, may I know your place and place of exam center?

Umesha


On 2/22/16, Mohammed arif khan  wrote:
> Hi all,
>
> My examination centre is almost 3 hours away from my regidential area
> and Centre is
> located in rurel area.
>
> Such is deliberately created difficulties with diffrently abled people
>
> Its not fair with us.
>
> Best wishes for all strugglers / students .
>
> Mohammed Arif Khan
>
> Mera Bharat Mahaan
>
> On 2/22/16, Austin Pinto  wrote:
>> what is the chances of disabled getting job in this application?
>> i mean yes exam also matters but if we clear the exame with good marks
>> does railway willingly give jobs to disabled in the release of posts
>> only for disabled?
>>
>> On 2/22/16, sanjay  wrote:
>>> many of my friends also have to travel 12 to 15 hours to reach their
>>> examination centres.
>>>
>>> - Original Message -
>>> From: "Austin Pinto" 
>>> To: "AccessIndia: a list for discussing accessibility and issues
>>> concerningthe disabled." 
>>> Sent: Saturday, February 20, 2016 11:42 AM
>>> Subject: [Bulk] Re: [AI] Railways sends blind candidates to faraway
>>> centres
>>>
>>> fortests
>>>
>>>
 yes i am given senter about 18hrs away from my hometown so what should
 i do about this?

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> http://timesofindia.indiatimes.com/india/Railways-sends-blind-candidates-to-faraway-centres-for-tests/articleshow/51064022.cms
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Re: [AI] A disabled-friendly home By DBN Murthy

[Umesha S E]

Sandeep,
can you compile all those articles and make available somewhere?

Umesha


On 2/20/16, Sandeep Singh  wrote:
> Good article Avinash. Let me add a few more points:
> Staircases and balconies should have at least two handrails, one at a
> lower level to give support to elderly or disabled when needed.
> Additionally, steps should not have any nosing (portion protruding
> from steps outside for beauty mostly). Instead steps should be made
> extending from bottom to the top in continuity.
> Doors (especially bathroom doors) should have a square sheet of glass
> near bolts. One might break the glass to open the door in case an
> elderly or disabled person has a fall and door is locked from inside.
> Switches should be provided near water closets in toilets and beds in
> the rooms for emergency bells to be used by these persons when in
> distress.
> Carpets may be provided if possible in the rooms for elderly or those
> who are likely to fall down often. This can limit their injuries. Also
> useful for Parkinsons patients.
> All the articles in the house should have round corners instead of
> having sharp corners. This includes furniture, walls, doors and
> cupboards etc. This is to avoid sharp or deep cuts in case someone
> falls on these articles.
> I had written a long series of articles on designing for disabled.
> Cannot share it here but will keep giving more tips.
> Best regards,
> Sandeep
>
> On 2/19/16, avinash shahi  wrote:
>> If there is a disabled or elderly person in the family, it is
>> essential to tailor your home to meet their needs too, asserts DBN
>> Murthy
>> http://www.deccanherald.com/content/529704/a-disabled-friendly-home.html
>> As people grow older, a home needs to be disabled-friendly to make
>> life of such elderly individuals easy. It must assist them in coping
>> with their daily lives in a way that is as near to normal as possible,
>> without them having to seek assistance from anyone else.
>>
>> Most homes are designed for ‘normal’ people who do not need any
>> external assistance to manage their daily routine. People can go about
>> their lives comfortably in their homes. But there are many others, for
>> whom even simple chores can be a challenge. Prevention is the mantra
>> while making a home safe for the disabled and elderly.
>>
>> Ramp instead of stairs
>>
>> Steps at the entrance to a home as well as inside are a major hurdle
>> for disabled people who find it difficult to manage steep steps on
>> their own. It would be desirable to have a low-gradient ramp besides
>> the steps so that those who have difficulty can use it. It is not
>> practical to have lifts in such homes as it is expensive and needs
>> regular maintenance.
>>
>> Such lifts (or elevators) are possible in multi-storied/ high-rise
>> buildings. Sometimes, a gentle rise involving steps with less height
>> could do the trick for those who are older, but in good health. It
>> depends upon the architect, designer and engineer to make such stairs
>> that could be more user-friendly.
>>
>> Similarly, all door steps may be avoided if the home is to be
>> wheelchair-friendly. Locks and bolts should be at convenient heights
>> for ease of assess. And these should be simple but effective.
>>
>> A bathroom or toilet could be a tricky area for the disabled and
>> elderly residents. This is where most accidents occur. The flooring
>> should be skidproof with railings so that one can hold this while
>> entering and exiting the bathroom or toilet.
>>
>> Western-style commodes are common in most homes and they are easier to
>> use for the elderly/disabled persons. A bath-tub may not be suitable
>> for all, but a shower cubicle without steps could work well. An
>> adjustable shower chair can prove useful for those who find it hard to
>> stand for long.
>>
>> Lower, the better
>>
>> In the kitchen, the height of the cooking platform should be designed
>> in such a manner that it is easy to use even while sitting in a
>> wheelchair. The flooring in the kitchen should not be too smooth, lest
>> someone slips. Cupboards should be within easy reach for better
>> accessibility by all.
>>
>> The same rule applies to the position of switches and controls that
>> must be operated without much physical effort. In some cases, switches
>> and controls could be kept at nearly floor level so that these could
>> be used by one with the help of his or her foot without any risk.
>>
>> Use of remote control to operate radio, TV, DVD player, computer, fan,
>> lights and the AC makes the life of a challenged person easier.
>> Telephones, computers and music systems should be placed on tables at
>> a suitable height for all to operate physically if need be.
>>
>> Some persons with disability may even work from home, given the right
>> job and conditions at home. In such cases, a home-office can be
>> made-to-order. It needs imagination and discussions with the person(s)
>> with 

Re: [AI] Why the tricolor makes no sense to me.

[Umesha S E]

dear friends,
seems the topic is diverting away from accessibility. let us restrict
ourselves in this list to the topics being specified.

Umesha


On 2/20/16, avinash shahi  wrote:
> I agree to you what you just expressed. And I have no objection to
> this recent command from the HRD Ministry. If they think hoisting flag
> would inspire patriotic sentiments let it be hoisted. However teaching
> distorted form of nationalism in connivance with the police and the
> rampaging mobs is scary.
>  On 2/20/16, Sandeep Singh  wrote:
>> Hi Avinash,
>> I understand your feelings, however, I must say the truth doesn't
>> change just because we are unaware of it. Attempts are being made to
>> make the tricolor accessible to VI people, especially by some
>> organizations in Bangaluru. And we don't have to be too resistant if
>> things like hoisting national flag on buildings like educational
>> institutions etc are being planned. I always felt very proud when I
>> saw tricolor being hoisted in my school and college. Remember there
>> are other students also there apart from VI students. One more thing,
>> it is not allowed to hoist the national flag on our houses except on
>> some special occasions like independence day, republic day etc and
>> many organizations have been demanding to allow the ordinary people
>> this right.
>> I think we should focus our energies on bringing positive change to
>> the society and our own lives as well.
>> Best regards,
>> Sandeep
>>
>> On 2/20/16, avinash shahi  wrote:
>>> Since I'm blind by-birth, I even don't know how the tricolor looks
>>> like. Yet I'm Indian. Instead of making tricolor accessible to the
>>> blind people in the country they're gonna spend huge sums in hoisting
>>> the flag atop of all central universities. It will not make any sense
>>> to me. On a humorous note: I might even hold neighbouring country's
>>> flag and hoist it flyhigh and shout India zindabad. Will I be then be
>>> called anti-national?
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Re: [AI] Formulate Uniform Victim Compensation Scheme for Victims of Sexual Assaults; SC [Read Judgment]

[Umesha S E]

how is this connected to accessibility or disability? I hope moderater
or menters will take care of this.

Umesha


On 2/11/16, Nagababu Arepalli  wrote:
> “Indisputably, no amount of money can restore the dignity and
> confidence that the accused took away from the victim. No amount of
> money can erase the trauma
> and grief the victim suffers. This aid can be crucial with aftermath
> of crime.”,
>
> If this is the case, what kind of punishment should be given to the rapests?
> because, the rape victums are looseing their lifes but, rapests will
> come out of the jailsafter 14-years are so and they are living
> happily.
> this is same with normal woman also.
> I feel compromising both parties to marriage and money compensation is
> not a justice to the victums.
> with the increase of laws in the society the crimes are also increased
> rapidly, particularly rape crimes are high in compare to murders.
> so, keeping society in mind the rape should treat equilent to murder
> and the rapests should be given life imprezonment or they should be
> hanged.
> if anybody respond to this, what could be right punishment for rapests?
>
> On 2/11/16, Sanchit Katiyar  wrote:
>> http://www.livelaw.in/formulate-uniform-victim-compensation-scheme-for-victims-of-sexual-assaults-sc/
>>
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Re: [AI] EPW Commentary: Discrimination on Campuses of Higher Learning By Vivek Kumar

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avinash,
where is the data on disability?

Umesha


On 2/6/16, avinash shahi  wrote:
> Please cull out the data mentioned in the article for advocacy in the
> Courts. These data may prove very handy for taking up discrimination
> of disabled candidates in  the appointment across the universities.
>
> http://www.epw.in/journal/2016/6/commentary/discrimination-campuses-higher-learning.html
>
> Vivek Kumar (vivekambed...@yahoo.com) teaches at the Centre for the
> Study of Social Systems/School of Social Sciences, Jawaharlal Nehru
> University, New Delhi.
>
>
>
>
>
> We need to understand the many-headed nature of discrimination
> prevailing on the campuses of higher education in India. This article
> argues that discrimination, exclusion and humiliation in campuses can
> be expressed at different levels: in appointments, admission of
> students, content of curricula of the Social Sciences and Humanities,
> the way teachers and Dalit students interact, and how upper caste
> students interact with their Dalit counterparts. The article is based
> on the narratives of Dalit students and teachers collected purposively
> from different universities across the country.
>
>
>
>
> Rohith Vemula’s suicide in Hydera-bad Central University has raised
> some very important issues regarding the environment prevailing on the
> campuses of higher education. We need to ask whether universities have
> become democratic and inclusive in their ethos. Are they
> representative in their composition? Is there diversity in the
> appointment of the heads of the institutions—vice chancellors and
> directors? Is there diversity in appointing teachers—professors,
> associate professors, assistant professors and university employees
> (officers and clerks)? Do the admissions of students represent
> diversity? It is important to analyse all this because if all of
> them—heads of institutions, teachers and students—come from the same
> social background with their own cultural baggage, then there will be
> no caste-based discrimination and exclusion on the campuses of higher
> learning. However, if the composition comprises a minority of actors
> with a stigmatised natural identity, then discrimination and exclusion
> are bound to occur.
>
> In this context, by mere observation we can argue that these
> institutions are not yet inclusive, and hence not democratic. For
> instance, out of 46 central universities and one open central
> university only one vice chancellor belongs to the Scheduled Tribe
> (ST). In Madhya Pradesh, out of 19 universities there is one Scheduled
> Caste (SC) vice chancellor and in Uttar Pradesh in 25 state
> universities there is no one from the SC category. These examples are
> sufficient to bring home the point that these universities are not
> inclusive. In the same vein, according to information obtained through
> the Right to Information (RTI) Act, the University Grants Commission
> (UGC) revealed that till 2009–10, out of 1,688 sanctioned professors
> and 3,298 associate professor posts there were only 24 professors and
> 90 associate professors in 24 central universities from the SC
> category. In percentage terms, it is 2.73% and 4.4%, respectively,
> vis-à-vis the constitutionally mandated 15% of reservation for SCs.
>
> The exclusive character of higher education comes out all the more
> when we discern that only 13.5% and 4% of the students in higher
> education belong to the SC and ST categories, respectively. That
> proves the point that our higher education systems lack diversity. Do
> we not need a social audit and roster for the appointment of heads of
> such institutions?
>
> Subtle and Disguised
>
> A number of teachers and students cutting across disciplines who
> belong to the Dalit community and are teaching and studying in
> different universities and colleges say that a very different kind of
> social exclusion, discrimination and humiliation exists on the
> campuses of higher education in India.
>
> Discrimination crops up many a time in its ancient and crude form of
> caste discrimination such as not sharing a room (hostel rooms for
> Dalit students and staff rooms for Dalit teachers), not sitting at the
> same dining table or drinking water from the same tap used by Dalits.
> New forms of discrimination have been added such as upper caste hostel
> mates not allowing Dalit students to put up posters of their icons in
> the hostel rooms, discrepancies in grades of Dalit students when
> graded by upper caste teachers, professors and university employees
> not signing scholarship forms of Dalit students, and Dalit student
> names being displayed with their categories.
>
> Yet, most of the time discrimination and humiliation is very subtle
> and sophisticated. It is disguised in the ornamental and metaphorical
> language used, body gestures, and in the garb of implementing
> objective institutional rules. It is the individual experience—each
> being so different and 

Re: [AI] To introduce myself to the AccessIndia community

[Umesha S E]

where are you from?

Umesha

On 2/5/16, Saaqib Mahmuud  wrote:
> Hello to everyone here at the Access India forum.
>
> I'm a visually impaired person with an MPhil in mathematics, and I've been
> teaching mathematics as a lecturer at a mainstream college in the provincial
> government's department of higher education department. I've also been a
> member of the RNIB from 2004 to 2006.
>
> I've also been a Hadley School for the Blind student since Nov. 2004 and
> have so far completed courses in English, the Nemeth Code, word processing,
> the Internet basics; nowadays I'm pursuing a course on the Unified English
> Braille (UEB) and chess!
>
> Though I know braille and am familiar with JAWS and MAGic, in my teaching of
> mathematics [ I've been for the last few years teaching analysis and
> functional analysis to the BS in Mathematics students.]  I mostly rely on my
> residual vision: I'm able to read the inkprint and write using my eyesight,
> though from a distance of hardly six inches and that too not in the
> sunlight!
>
> My schooling started at a local school for sighted children in 1986, where I
> stayed for less than a year before being admitted to my local school for the
> blind in 1987, and I stayed at that school till 1994, when I passed my
> matriculation examination and joined college [It was the same college where
> I'm teaching now.] Even during my studies at that school for the blind, I
> remained in touch with the inkprint reading and writing (entirely on my
> own!) and so was able to start college without having to use braille or
> audio.
>
> At college, I opted for mathematics, statistics, and economics as  my
> intermediate-level subject combination, but our mathematics education at the
> school for the blind was extremely poor! My eyesight problem and poor
> financial family background [My father worked as a truck driver.] meant that
> I had to mostly do without any tutorial support; the result was that in my
> Higher Secondary School Certificate (HSSC) I could manage to score only 62%.
>
> Although I kept myself in touch with inkprint right through my blind school
> years, my handwriting was still too slow and child-like even when I joined
> college, resulting in my compulsion to rely on a sighted person to write my
> exam papers for me, which is a not-so-easy task in mathematical subjects.
>
> I had to engage a sighted person as a writer in my HSSC, 2-year B.Sc., and
> 2-year M.Sc. exams. It was only in my MPhil coursework that I could muster
> enough confidence in my handwriting to write my own exam papers. The
> difference was that, unlike my previous board and university examinations
> which had all been under an annual system and marked externally, the MPhil
> papers were set and marked by the very instructor who was teaching the
> course.
>
> I also started learning JAWS scripting back in 2005 but then couldn't hold
> on to it due to one reason or the other. Nowadays, I'm learning the Python
> programming language from a video course taught by a Prof. John Guttag back
> in 2011 and now available at the MIT Open CourseWare (OCW) website.
>
> Although I did study one semester of M.Sc. in Computer Science back in 1999,
> I would still rate my computer experties at the beginner's level (or
> thereabouts). I feel that I started on so many things without being to stick
> to anything in particular.
>
> I post my question to a webstie called Stack Exchange, particularly on the
> Mathematics Stack Exchange. Here's the link to my MSE profile.
> http://math.stackexchange.com/users/59734/saaqib-mahmuud
>
> I occasionally post on Facebook as well and have liked the NDTV Facebook
> page, as well as that of Burkha Dutt. BBC Urdu and Hindi are both my
> favorites (perhaps the latter more than the former); I also would like to be
> able to access Doordarshan Urdu.
>
> I've also been a reader of the Matilda Ziegler Magazine for the Blind from
> Aug. 2001 till Nov. 2009, when they stopped their braille edition.
>
> Due to my rather limited Internet bandwidth, the live video streaming is
> often not good enough; so I wish that NDTV 24 7, NDTV India, and Doordarshan
> each could also start a live audio stream, just like the live audio streams
> of Dunya News TV, a  Pakistani  channel. Would anyone here also like to
> concur with me on this point?
>
> I think I've introduced myself quite thoroughly (a little too thoroughly,
> I'm afraid). Anyway, should anybody like to get in touch with me, here's my
> contact information.
>
> Mobile Phone Number: 0092-346-952-7638
> Number for WhatsApp: 0092-334-541-7958
> E-mail: saaqib1...@yahoo.co.in
>
> I can also give out my postal (or geographical) address, should anybody want
> it.
>
> I would be glad to socialise with members of the Access India mailing list
> community and be helpful in whatever way I can.
>
> Regards.
>
> Sincerely,
> Saaqib
>
>
> Register at the dedicated AccessIndia list for discussing accessibility of
> mobile 

Re: [AI] study leave denied without reason by university

[Umesha S E]

they are not convincable. they are not willing.

Umesha


On 2/6/16, Dr. G. Janardhana Naidu <jnga...@gmail.com> wrote:
> hai, I am not aware of study leave granted by the universities.
> Convince your university authorities or apply for fdp. Something is
> better than nothing.
>
> On 2/5/16, Umesha S E <umesha@gmail.com> wrote:
>> hi,
>> I wanted to give some clarification hence posting to the group.
>> no, study leave is different from FDP. for fdp, the granting authority
>> is UGC where as for study leave, the granting authority is university.
>> it is provided as per the UGC regulations for minimum qualification
>> for appointment of teachers and maintenance of standards in higher
>> education regulations 2010 regulation no. 8.2. study leave is also
>> granted for 2 years + one additional year. but, I need leave only for
>> one year. getting the FDP granted is difficult because it has to pass
>> through the same university people and they play delay tactics + delay
>> in UGC office. I don't have enough time for all of that. within
>> december first week of this year I have to submit my thesis.
>> on oral enquiry, they are saying that they are not willing to deny me,
>> but they are in the fear that other teachers might also ask for the
>> same leave keeping my example. they are playing sympothy. you know
>> that is useless sympothy.
>> Umesha S E
>>
>>
>> On 2/4/16, Dr. G. Janardhana Naidu <jnga...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>> Hello Mr. Umesha, It is very unfortunate to hear this harsh news.
>>> Study leave is otherwise called as faculty development programme.
>>> Perhaps, your University authorities may not aware of faculty
>>> development programme. You can avail two years of paid leave extended
>>> by one more year for completion of your Ph.D. work. But did you
>>> register for your Ph.D.? Did you apply in prescribed format? Did you
>>> send the application through proper channel? If so, It is better to
>>> meet the dean cdc or register of your university with the 12th plan
>>> faculty development guide lines for university teachers. If your
>>> University is recognized under 2F and 12B, they will recommend your
>>> case to UGC and certainly you will be awarded UGC teacher fellowship
>>> for completion of your research. I hope this information helps you to
>>> convince your authorities. For further assistance if any contact me
>>> off the list to reduce troffic in the mailing list.
>>> All the best,
>>> drgjna...@gmail.com
>>>
>>> On 2/4/16, Umesha S E <umesha@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>> Friends,
>>>> I have a problem.
>>>> I applied for study leave which is provided as per UGC regulation for
>>>> completing my Ph.D. the university replyed after a delay of 2 and a
>>>> half month saying to use the leaves in my account to complete my Ph.D.
>>>> normally, leaves in account is taken for CL and EL. we can get only 15
>>>> CLs and 10 ELs per year. they did not cite any reason for not granting
>>>> the study leave. I applied for leave for an year. what can I do next
>>>> and possible consequences? if I fight it outside, is there a chance
>>>> that they may give me torture in various other ways?
>>>>
>>>> Umesha S E
>>>> assistant professor of Economics
>>>> and
>>>> Liaison Officer for the Disabled
>>>> Tumkur University
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Register at the dedicated AccessIndia list for discussing accessibility
>>>> of
>>>> mobile phones / Tabs on:
>>>> http://mail.accessindia.org.in/mailman/listinfo/mobile.accessindia_accessindia.org.in
>>>>
>>>>
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Re: [AI] study leave denied without reason by university

[Umesha S E]

hi,
I wanted to give some clarification hence posting to the group.
no, study leave is different from FDP. for fdp, the granting authority
is UGC where as for study leave, the granting authority is university.
it is provided as per the UGC regulations for minimum qualification
for appointment of teachers and maintenance of standards in higher
education regulations 2010 regulation no. 8.2. study leave is also
granted for 2 years + one additional year. but, I need leave only for
one year. getting the FDP granted is difficult because it has to pass
through the same university people and they play delay tactics + delay
in UGC office. I don't have enough time for all of that. within
december first week of this year I have to submit my thesis.
on oral enquiry, they are saying that they are not willing to deny me,
but they are in the fear that other teachers might also ask for the
same leave keeping my example. they are playing sympothy. you know
that is useless sympothy.
Umesha S E


On 2/4/16, Dr. G. Janardhana Naidu <jnga...@gmail.com> wrote:
> Hello Mr. Umesha, It is very unfortunate to hear this harsh news.
> Study leave is otherwise called as faculty development programme.
> Perhaps, your University authorities may not aware of faculty
> development programme. You can avail two years of paid leave extended
> by one more year for completion of your Ph.D. work. But did you
> register for your Ph.D.? Did you apply in prescribed format? Did you
> send the application through proper channel? If so, It is better to
> meet the dean cdc or register of your university with the 12th plan
> faculty development guide lines for university teachers. If your
> University is recognized under 2F and 12B, they will recommend your
> case to UGC and certainly you will be awarded UGC teacher fellowship
> for completion of your research. I hope this information helps you to
> convince your authorities. For further assistance if any contact me
> off the list to reduce troffic in the mailing list.
> All the best,
> drgjna...@gmail.com
>
> On 2/4/16, Umesha S E <umesha@gmail.com> wrote:
>> Friends,
>> I have a problem.
>> I applied for study leave which is provided as per UGC regulation for
>> completing my Ph.D. the university replyed after a delay of 2 and a
>> half month saying to use the leaves in my account to complete my Ph.D.
>> normally, leaves in account is taken for CL and EL. we can get only 15
>> CLs and 10 ELs per year. they did not cite any reason for not granting
>> the study leave. I applied for leave for an year. what can I do next
>> and possible consequences? if I fight it outside, is there a chance
>> that they may give me torture in various other ways?
>>
>> Umesha S E
>> assistant professor of Economics
>> and
>> Liaison Officer for the Disabled
>> Tumkur University
>>
>>
>> Register at the dedicated AccessIndia list for discussing accessibility
>> of
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Re: [AI] 3 per cent reservation ignored: Allahabad University Faculty Recruitment 2016: 293 Teaching Posts

[Umesha S E]

Avinash,
yes, UGC has financing power, but it never exercises that power. in
the example given by you, it has done so on the instruction by the
court. is there any example of UGC spopping the funds to any central
or state university for not following its guidelines? UGC is the most
sluggish body in the country and we have several examples to prove
that.
now, in the case said by me, can we do anything? out of 100+ posts
notified by Tumkur University in the year 2010, there was no post
reserved for disabled.

Umesha


On 2/4/16, shankar shan  wrote:
> GAIS, IF I AM NOT WRONG, MANY PEOPLE STILL HOLDING THE GOVERNMENT JOBS
> AND, MANY PEOPLE STILL CONTRIBUTING  TO GET THE 3 PERCENT  RESERVATION
> BUT, MY QUESTION IS, HOW MANY PEOPLE THOUGHT TO GETTING ACCESSIBLE
> LAIBRARIES  IN THE COLLEGES/UNIVERCITYS
>
>
> On 2/4/16, avinash shahi  wrote:
>> But the UGC has the financing power. If it stopps funding the
>> affiliated colleges/universities everything fall in line. It was
>> evident in 2006 when the Delhi High Court while hearing Sambhavana
>> petition commanded the UGC to stop funds to the Delhi University. And
>> the outcome resulted in hundreds of blind people got appointed as
>> lecturers; and its a living legacy. Can this happen again?
>>
>>
>> On 2/4/16, Asudani, Rajesh  wrote:
>>> UGC has hardly any control over recruitments of individual universities,
>>> let
>>> alone the colleges.
>>>
>>> But yes, when there is grant-in-aid by the government why there should
>>> not
>>> be and can not be a common recruitment process for teaching cadre, I fail
>>> to
>>> understand.
>>>
>>> -Original Message-
>>> From: AccessIndia [mailto:accessindia-boun...@accessindia.org.in] On
>>> Behalf
>>> Of avinash shahi
>>> Sent: Thursday, February 04, 2016 10:33 AM
>>> To: AccessIndia: a list for discussing accessibility and issues
>>> concerning
>>> the disabled.
>>> Subject: Re: [AI] 3 per cent reservation ignored: Allahabad University
>>> Faculty Recruitment 2016: 293 Teaching Posts
>>>
>>> The Sambhavana is fighting the case against the UGC in the apex Court.
>>> The next hearing is scheduled on 17 Feb.
>>>
>>> On 2/3/16, Vamshi. G  wrote:
 I Fully support this issue.  I myself am a PhD holder with three post
 graduations and UGC NET in two subjects.  I hardly found any
 university job reserved for VI.  If at all they are reserved, either
 they are in subjects where you don't find VIs like disaster management
 or in combinations like VI-SC/women etc. which is violation of the
 law.  I have lost hope of becoming a faculty which is my passion, and
 settled as a banker satisfying merely my material needs.  I doubt
 whether fighting against each university and notification is feasible.
 There has to be a common fight and blanket judgment covering all
 universities.  There is a word around that there will be common
 recruitment  process for universities.  If at all that happens, the
 situation will be much easier to resolve.  Anyways, if there is a
 movement in this regard as suggested, count me in for any support.


 On 2/3/16, Asudani, Rajesh  wrote:
> Yes, Sambhawana is doing a good job.
> But I think their efforts are confined to Delhi and as you said they
> have
> succeeded and need to be supported.
>
> However, it is the  need of the hour not only in central universities,
> but
> in all state universities and granted colleges and even schools across
> India.
>
> I am sure if persued honestly, the effort would result in thousands of
> jobs
> for PWD in teaching.
>
>
> -Original Message-
> From: AccessIndia [mailto:accessindia-boun...@accessindia.org.in] On
> Behalf
> Of avinash shahi
> Sent: Wednesday, February 03, 2016 11:16 AM
> To: AccessIndia: a list for discussing accessibility and issues
> concerning
> the disabled.
> Subject: Re: [AI] 3 per cent reservation ignored: Allahabad University
> Faculty Recruitment 2016: 293 Teaching Posts
>
> Amen sir. In fact, Sambhavana is pursuing the case in the Apex Court
> and the next hearing is on 17 Feb. However they are constrained By
> financial means and majority of faculty aspirants don't contribute a
> penny. It is a crucial time when we all need to contribute financially
> for the lawyer's cost otherwise days are not far many among us PHDs
> will find it difficult to get even a peon's  job. Blind people need to
> contribute collectively if this battle has to be carried. Merely
> applying for jobs when advertised in quota will fetch nothing. And
> what to say of NGOs they hate acadimicians and hardly do advocacy for
> AB categories posts. Reasons are plenty.  The sambhavana is an
> exception though. They have done 

[AI] study leave denied without reason by university

[Umesha S E]

Friends,
I have a problem.
I applied for study leave which is provided as per UGC regulation for
completing my Ph.D. the university replyed after a delay of 2 and a
half month saying to use the leaves in my account to complete my Ph.D.
normally, leaves in account is taken for CL and EL. we can get only 15
CLs and 10 ELs per year. they did not cite any reason for not granting
the study leave. I applied for leave for an year. what can I do next
and possible consequences? if I fight it outside, is there a chance
that they may give me torture in various other ways?

Umesha S E
assistant professor of Economics
and
Liaison Officer for the Disabled
Tumkur University


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Re: [AI] 3 per cent reservation ignored: Allahabad University Faculty Recruitment 2016: 293 Teaching Posts

[Umesha S E]

I also support the initiative.
what can I do?

similarly in Tumkur university, which is a state university, no post
was reserved for pwd. the problem is that VI comes at the 4th position
in state roster. each department had only 2 posts of assistant
professor. so reservation matrix was GM 1, SC 1. can we do anything in
such situations? also I have been denied the priority in placement.

Umesha


On 2/3/16, Vamshi. G  wrote:
> I Fully support this issue.  I myself am a PhD holder with three post
> graduations and UGC NET in two subjects.  I hardly found any
> university job reserved for VI.  If at all they are reserved, either
> they are in subjects where you don't find VIs like disaster management
> or in combinations like VI-SC/women etc. which is violation of the
> law.  I have lost hope of becoming a faculty which is my passion, and
> settled as a banker satisfying merely my material needs.  I doubt
> whether fighting against each university and notification is feasible.
> There has to be a common fight and blanket judgment covering all
> universities.  There is a word around that there will be common
> recruitment  process for universities.  If at all that happens, the
> situation will be much easier to resolve.  Anyways, if there is a
> movement in this regard as suggested, count me in for any support.
>
>
> On 2/3/16, Asudani, Rajesh  wrote:
>> Yes, Sambhawana is doing a good job.
>> But I think their efforts are confined to Delhi and as you said they have
>> succeeded and need to be supported.
>>
>> However, it is the  need of the hour not only in central universities, but
>> in all state universities and granted colleges and even schools across
>> India.
>>
>> I am sure if persued honestly, the effort would result in thousands of
>> jobs
>> for PWD in teaching.
>>
>>
>> -Original Message-
>> From: AccessIndia [mailto:accessindia-boun...@accessindia.org.in] On
>> Behalf
>> Of avinash shahi
>> Sent: Wednesday, February 03, 2016 11:16 AM
>> To: AccessIndia: a list for discussing accessibility and issues concerning
>> the disabled.
>> Subject: Re: [AI] 3 per cent reservation ignored: Allahabad University
>> Faculty Recruitment 2016: 293 Teaching Posts
>>
>> Amen sir. In fact, Sambhavana is pursuing the case in the Apex Court
>> and the next hearing is on 17 Feb. However they are constrained By
>> financial means and majority of faculty aspirants don't contribute a
>> penny. It is a crucial time when we all need to contribute financially
>> for the lawyer's cost otherwise days are not far many among us PHDs
>> will find it difficult to get even a peon's  job. Blind people need to
>> contribute collectively if this battle has to be carried. Merely
>> applying for jobs when advertised in quota will fetch nothing. And
>> what to say of NGOs they hate acadimicians and hardly do advocacy for
>> AB categories posts. Reasons are plenty.  The sambhavana is an
>> exception though. They have done exceptionally well which led to more
>> than 100 blind people employed with Delhi University. But the saga is
>> not promising in other 43 central universities. I'm in for any such
>> collaboration in my individual capacity to drive the Universities to
>> the respective High Courts and the Apex Court.
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> On 2/3/16, Asudani, Rajesh  wrote:
>>> As a rule, universities and colleges and schools do not reserve the
>>> mandated
>>> posts, not at least for VI.
>>>
>>> I had obtained data from entire Maharashtra through RTI and had a fought
>>> a
>>> case in Nagpur HC in person.
>>>
>>> It is a tall order and excuses given are absurd.
>>>
>>> Forget NGOs and let us form an advocacy panel, with VI who can contribute
>>> by
>>> mind body or money, and some well meaning advocates and take up the
>>> cudgels
>>> for reservation in teaching in India.
>>> Except Delhi, significant work has not been done anywhere else in this
>>> regard, me thinks.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> सादर / With thanks & Regards
>>> राजेश आसुदानी Rajesh Asudani
>>> सहायक महाप्रबन्धक AGM
>>> बाजार आसूचना ईकाई MIU
>>> भारतीय रिजर्व बैंक Reserve Bank of India
>>> नागपुर Nagpur
>>>
>>> 0712 2806846
>>>
>>> President
>>> VIBEWA
>>> Co-Moderator
>>> VIB-India
>>>
>>> A-pilll = Action coupled with Positivity, Interest, Love, Logic and
>>> laughter.
>>>
>>> -Original Message-
>>> From: AccessIndia [mailto:accessindia-boun...@accessindia.org.in] On
>>> Behalf
>>> Of avinash shahi
>>> Sent: Tuesday, February 02, 2016 7:59 PM
>>> To: accessindia; jnuvision
>>> Subject: [AI] 3 per cent reservation ignored: Allahabad University
>>> Faculty
>>> Recruitment 2016: 293 Teaching Posts
>>>
>>> Yesterday, The Allahabad University issued an advertisement for 296
>>> faculty posts however no post is reserved for the Candidates with
>>> Disabilities. The PWD Act 1995 provisions for 3 per cent reservation
>>> in jobs is being contravened by the University therefore this
>>> notification should 

Re: [AI] Unicode Dilemma

[Umesha S E]

Vikas Kapoor
The symbols single dagger and double dagger can be produced by jaws
using the shortcut insert + 4 in any application including notepad.
Don’t know about others you have typed. I think you won’t need to use
them in other applications quite often. If it is not the case, you may
copy and paste from MS word.

Him Prasad Gautam
We can use normal numpads. But compact ones are very difficult to use.

Vyas Gajendra
It is (16 × 15) + 15 = 255
Calculator is an application provided in all versions of windows which
is very much accessible. You can open calculator through start menu
programs and accessories. By default, the calculator will be in
decimal mode. You can change the mode by pressing keys f5, f6, f7, or
f8. Along with changing the mode, it will change the typed number to
respective number system.

Umesha



On 2/1/16, sanjay <sanjaylpra...@yahoo.co.in> wrote:
> I also used alt+numpad 246 to type divided by sign while submitting math
> assignments to Hadley school.
>
> - Original Message -
> From: "Vikas Kapoor" <dl.vi...@gmail.com>
> To: "AccessIndia: a list for discussing accessibility and issuesconcerning
> thedisabled." <accessindia@accessindia.org.in>
> Sent: Monday, February 01, 2016 8:34 AM
> Subject: Re: [AI] Unicode Dilemma
>
>
>> Dear Umesha,
>>
>> On some occasions, we need to write some characters which can't be written
>>
>> by using the regular keyboard (or I don't know how to write them), and to
>> be able to put them at the appropriate places,, by typing the decimal
>> numbers followed by the command, the code automatically converts that to
>> the correct letters. For example, you type the code in the word
>> application and press Alt+X and the code will then convert it to the
>> letter or symbol whatever the case. In the next line I'm giving some
>> examples of those characters, which I generated by applying the above
>> mentioned command in the word application.
>>
>> • „ ‟ ‡ †․ ≶ ≹
>>
>> ‴ ‶ ‵ ′ ″
>>
>> Thanks.
>>
>>  - Original Message -
>>  From: Umesha S E
>>  To: AccessIndia: a list for discussing accessibility and issues
>> concerningthe disabled.
>>  Sent: Monday, February 01, 2016 6:50 AM
>>  Subject: Re: [AI] Unicode Dilemma
>>
>>
>>  Nice explanation by Him Prasad Gautam.
>>  In addition, if you want to convert between these 2 systems, you can
>>  use windows calculator. Type the decimal number into calculator,
>>  select the hex radio button (shortcut key is F5). The calculator
>>  displays the converted number. To convert back, type hexadecimal
>>  number when in hex mode and choose decimal radio button (shortcut f6).
>>
>>  “Further, what is the precise way to convert the decimal characters to
>> letters
>>  in case there's no NumPad present in a laptop?”
>>  I could not understand. Can you elaborate?
>>
>>  I don’t know any solution for other programs like notepad. Perhaps you
>>  can convert it in word and copy it into notepad as there will be rare
>>  occasions where you need such things. If you tell your exact problem,
>>  we can find proper solution.
>>
>>  “While JAWS, by default gives the result in decimal.”
>>  I don’t use jaws method of creating characters and don’t know how to
>>  convert it to hexadecimal. If you are facing problem in any specific
>>  situation and explain it, we can find alternatives.
>>
>>  Umesha
>>
>>
>>
>>  On 1/31/16, Vikas Kapoor <dl.vi...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>  > Thanks Gautam for having explained these values in detail as usual in
>> your
>>  > case. Do you know any command through which if we type the decimal
>> letters
>>  > and it presents in a character form as it happens with Alt+NumPad keys.
>>
>> I'm
>>  > asking this because if they've provided such option with NumPad, then
>> why
>>  > should the people without this pad be left at disadvantaged?
>>  >   - Original Message -
>>  >   From: Him Prasad Gautam
>>  >   To: AccessIndia: a list for discussing accessibility and issues
>>  > concerningthe disabled.
>>  >   Sent: Sunday, January 31, 2016 8:54 PM
>>  >   Subject: Re: [AI] Unicode Dilemma
>>  >
>>  >
>>  >   hi,
>>  >   Decimal is the system of digital expression where it is basically
>>  >   assumed that there exists ten numbers. In hexadecimal system, the
>>  >   basic number are assumed as sixteen. In general practice, there are
>>  >   two more system too. The binary where the basic number are consider

Re: [AI] Free Skype Training - Reading Books & Documents for Visually Impaired on a Computer

[Umesha S E]

how much does easy reader cost?

Umesha


On 2/1/16, Bhavya shah  wrote:
> Hi Ramya Sir,
> The event link I clicked shows that the event I am looking for was not
> found.
> Could you please recheck the shared link? I may be interested in
> learning more, and probably even participating in this.
> Thanks.
>
> On 2/1/16, Bandi Sudhakar  wrote:
>> hello in this link   where  I should I register   please guide me   I
>> want to attend  this workshop.
>>
>>
>> On 2/1/16, Ramya Venkitesh  wrote:
>>> Struggling to read ebooks, newspapers and online documents! Now learn to
>>> use
>>> EasyReader, an accessible eBook reader for students with dyslexia, low
>>> vision or blindness.
>>>
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>>>
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>>>
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>>>
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>>>
>>> *  Instant and direct access to international accessible book
>>> libraries
>>>
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>>>
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>>>
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>>>
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>>>
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Re: [AI] Unicode Dilemma

[Umesha S E]

Nice explanation by Him Prasad Gautam.
In addition, if you want to convert between these 2 systems, you can
use windows calculator. Type the decimal number into calculator,
select the hex radio button (shortcut key is F5). The calculator
displays the converted number. To convert back, type hexadecimal
number when in hex mode and choose decimal radio button (shortcut f6).

“Further, what is the precise way to convert the decimal characters to letters
in case there's no NumPad present in a laptop?”
I could not understand. Can you elaborate?

I don’t know any solution for other programs like notepad. Perhaps you
can convert it in word and copy it into notepad as there will be rare
occasions where you need such things. If you tell your exact problem,
we can find proper solution.

“While JAWS, by default gives the result in decimal.”
I don’t use jaws method of creating characters and don’t know how to
convert it to hexadecimal. If you are facing problem in any specific
situation and explain it, we can find alternatives.

Umesha



On 1/31/16, Vikas Kapoor <dl.vi...@gmail.com> wrote:
> Thanks Gautam for having explained these values in detail as usual in your
> case. Do you know any command through which if we type the decimal letters
> and it presents in a character form as it happens with Alt+NumPad keys. I'm
> asking this because if they've provided such option with NumPad, then why
> should the people without this pad be left at disadvantaged?
>   - Original Message -
>   From: Him Prasad Gautam
>   To: AccessIndia: a list for discussing accessibility and issues
> concerningthe disabled.
>   Sent: Sunday, January 31, 2016 8:54 PM
>   Subject: Re: [AI] Unicode Dilemma
>
>
>   hi,
>   Decimal is the system of digital expression where it is basically
>   assumed that there exists ten numbers. In hexadecimal system, the
>   basic number are assumed as sixteen. In general practice, there are
>   two more system too. The binary where the basic number are consider as
>   two and the octagonal where the basic numbers are consider as eight.
>   In our daily life, as we understand the numerical system of practice,
>   the number are in decimal system. In decimal system, the basic number
>   are 0 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9.
>   There is no single digit number larger than 9. The larger number than
>   nine is expressed  by two digit figure that is 1 and 0 i.e. 10!
>In hexadecimal system, there are sixteen single digit basic numbers.
>   they are 0 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 a b c d e f. Here a b c d e f are not
>   considered as alphabets of English but  the numeric expression larger
>   than nine. I.e. Ten is represented by a, eleven by b, twelve by c and
>   so on. The larger than fifteen is represented by two digit figure by
>   the digital symbol 0 to f i.e.  sixteen is written as 1 0, seventeen
>   as 1 1 , eighteen as 1 2 and 255 as ff!!
>   In octagonal system, there are only eight numbers. They are 0 1 2 3 4
>   5 6 7. Here larger than seven is expressed by two digit i.e. 1 and 0
>   i.e. eight is written as 1 0!
>   Similarly, In binary system, it is considered that there exists only
>   two basic number! they are 0 and 1. Here, two is written as 1 0, three
>   as 1 1, and four as 1 0 0!
>   Mind that The whole computer stand on the binary system!
>   It means, in binary system 1 0 0 represents as two and in hexadecimal
>   system. 1 0 0 represents as 256.
>   Hence In your case, 66 in decimal is sixty Six and it produced the
>   capital letter B but in hexadecimal system 6 6 means 102 and it
>   produced the small letter f which its character code. There are
>   formulas to convert the decimal figure to hexadecimal or octagonal or
>   binary figures and vice versa.
>For further information, please study the fundamentals of computer or
>   numerical science related literature's.
>
>   On 1/31/16, Vikas Kapoor <dl.vi...@gmail.com> wrote:
>   > Hi Umesh, what is the difference between decimal and hexadecimal
>   > representation? Further, what is the precise way to convert the decimal
>   > characters to letters in case there's no NumPad present in a laptop?
> The
>   > Alt+X command is applicable only for the word programme, what if the
> code is
>   > to be converted into a letter in notepad? Even in the word programme
> also,
>   > it gives only in hexadecimal while JAWS, by default gives the result in
>   > decimal.
>   >   - Original Message -
>   >   From: Umesha S E
>   >   To: AccessIndia: a list for discussing accessibility and issues
>   > concerningthe disabled.
>   >   Sent: Sunday, January 31, 2016 5:39 AM
>   >   Subject: Re: [AI] Unicode Dilemma
>   >
>   >
>   >   Hi,
>   >   66 for capital B is decimal code. 

Re: [AI] Unicode Dilemma

[Umesha S E]

Hi,
66 for capital B is decimal code. 66 for small f is hexodecimal code.
use which one you want. usually, unicode characters are represented in
hexodecimal mode. to get the code for a character spoken by jaws, move
the cursor to it, press numpad 5 thrice quickly. it can give you
decimal or hexodecimal value based on your jaws configuration. to
change it, go to configuration manager, go to graphics and symbols,
check the "speak the character codes in hex" checkbox.

Umesha

On 1/30/16, Vikas Kapoor  wrote:
> Folks,
> A very strange dilemma regarding typing the Unicode characters I found:
> While pressing alt followed by numbers on the NumPad gives one result, and
> pressing the numbers on the regular number row followed by alt+X in the word
> application gives another result. For example, while pressing  Alt+66 on the
> NumPad gives the Unicode character result as capital B, and on the other
> hand pressing 66 followed by Alt+X gives the result as lower f. So, my
> dilemma is which one to follow? In other words, which one is the correct
> representation of the Unicode character?
> Vikas Kapoor,
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Re: [AI] Updated section 80u incometax act

[Umesha S E]

why it has not been included in IT act web site?

Umesha

On 1/30/16, Anjaneyulu Saddula  wrote:
>
> sir if you need i will give you one is from our bank issued circular and
> another is income tax bill 2015-2016
> anjaneyulu
>
> With Regards
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> Keeping together is progress;
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>
> 
> From: AccessIndia [accessindia-boun...@accessindia.org.in] on behalf of
> Manoj [man.sha2...@gmail.com]
> Sent: Saturday, January 30, 2016 1:36 PM
> To: AccessIndia: a list for discussing accessibility and issues concerning
> the disabled.
> Subject: Re: [AI] Updated section 80u incometax act
>
> sir, do you have the official copy of circular issued be dopt?
>
> On 1/30/2016 12:19 PM, Anjaneyulu Saddula wrote:
>> hi rajesh sir
>> actually our 80U is present for totally blind RS 125000
>> and partially blind RS 75000 only
>> in the month of june 2015  it has increased.
>>
>> if require  I will give you my bank has issued internal circular same  and
>> I availed.
>>
>>
>> With Regards
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>> Keeping together is progress;
>> working together is a success;
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>>
>> 
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>> Sent: Friday, January 29, 2016 1:10 PM
>> To: AccessIndia: a list for discussing accessibility and issues concerning
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>> Subject: [AI] Updated section 80u incometax act
>>
>> Friends
>>
>> Would you please supply me with
>> Updated section 80U saying that limit for totally disabled is Rs. 1,25,000
>> and for partially Rs. 75,000
>>
>>
>> One on income tax site is old one saying limit is one lakh only.
>>
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Re: [AI] India's 1st Blind-friendly Train Runs Between Mysuru, Varanasi

[Umesha S E]

Friends,
Why are you arguing consistently for only one mode of access? I don’t
know who said Braille is bad. But, every mode of access has its own
merits and demerits and it equally applies to Braille. We need to
understand that Braille is not the panacea for all the accessibility
problems. I have seen here and many times some people argue
consistently for Braille without looking into its usability. It is
clear that Braille is very useful in locating seats, births, toilets,
emergency exits, reserved seats for disabled, etc. There is no second
word in it. No one can deny that. It is also useful in reading coach
number after getting into the coach. For example, if one has boarded a
coach by asking some lay person on the platform and he wants to
confirm after boarding, whether what that person told is correct or
not.
All this is good but it does not end the problem. I am not against
Braille, or south western railway, or Mysore division. What I meant to
say is that the issue is not yet over. One cannot identify the coach
number before boarding. If one has to travel safely, he has to stand
on the platform approximately at the position where his desired coach
will arrive. For this to happen seamlessly, the audio announcement
should be implemented to the polls on the platforms having display
boards for the coaches. Also the coaches should have audio
announcement system. Because, sometimes the coaches may not stand at
the proper positions, or there may not be the prior display of coach
array on the platform. Someone may oppose this on behalf of deaf
blind. But, on the same line, I can oppose Braille on behalf of those
who don’t know Braille. But I won’t do it as it would lead us nowhere.
What I oppose clearly is claiming a train, or any service for that
matter, as completely accessible just by putting some Braille labels.
For example: most of you know the accessible ATM movement led by
Indian bank energized by our own friend Prashanth. In our university
campus, there is a state bank of Mysore ATM which has some Braille
label on cash dispenser, slip dispenser, etc. it also has an earphone
jack. I was very happy on seeing that in the illusion that it an
accessible ATM. But, upon examination, it was found that it is not. It
does not have audio output but just an earphone socket which gives you
nothing. After this I enquired the bank official if there any chance
of implementing accessible ATM in that machine in coming days. They
told not at all in near future. If you claim this train as completely
accessible on the basis of Braille, one day SBM may also claim our
university ATM as completely accessible.
Conclusion: , we have to appreciate, encourage, support  all such
efforts towards making the things accessible whether it is audio,
Braille, etc. at the same time, we must be cautious on any wrong
claims of complete accessibility and make the authorities aware that
many things remain undone.
Thank you for reading my lengthy mail.

Umesha S E



On 1/30/16, Misbah <jnu.mis...@gmail.com> wrote:
> I do believe that still braille is one of the efective wayout of
> accessibility issues of blind persons despite massive tecnological
> inovations.
>
> On 1/30/16, SHANKAR DIGUVAPALLI <shankar.diguvapa...@gmail.com> wrote:
>> It is good having braille signages to identify the seats but it will
>> take time for the visually disabled persons to identify the coach
>> numbersand sometimes the train will start before the identification is
>> completed and we reach the coach. i recommend that the railway engage
>> volentairs to lead us to the desired coach.
>>
>> On 1/28/16, Giri Prasad <mgiriprasadma...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>> nevertheless many trains dont have the disabled coach. This also
>>> should be looked into.
>>>
>>>
>>> On 28/01/2016, George Abraham <geo...@eyeway.org> wrote:
>>>> The train services should have audio announcements like in the Delhi
>>>> Metro,
>>>> Rajdhani Express and the Shatabdi Express. Further the Railway
>>>> authorities/staff should have a trained cadre that supports or
>>>> facilitates
>>>> persons with disability, senior citizens and others who need help.
>>>> Braille
>>>> is a good initiative but the solution is not complete.  In my
>>>> experience,
>>>> seasoned blind travellers do not need any signage inside trains. Given
>>>> that
>>>> the railway coaches are standard, locating the wash room, berths etc
>>>> comes
>>>> with orientation from frequent travel.  A question for the group, how
>>>> many
>>>> blind people in our country and how many of them read Braille? Ofcourse
>>>> technological solutions like apps is good but will serve a very small
>>>> popul

Re: [AI] India's 1st Blind-friendly Train Runs Between Mysuru, Varanasi

[Umesha S E]

I am not against braille and do support it. but, how can one identify
coach using braille?

Umesha


On 1/28/16, Tilakprasad Joshi  wrote:
> Dear Kanchan Ma’am,
>
> You are right I am from Mumbai, I made my point because I am getting
> the feeling there are some people who just feel Braille should not be
> there and feel it’s not worth it, but I want to convey let Braille be
> there with other alternatives, I had a interaction with people few
> year back who were having multiple disabilities such as Blindness and
> Deaf and Dumb and I feel it can be useful for them, please correct me
> if I am wrong and let me know if any other solutions are available for
> people like them but Braille is basic and should not be excluded, but
> I do agree just putting Braille signage don’t make things accessible.
>
> Warm Regards,
> Tilak.
>
>
> On 1/28/16, Giri Prasad  wrote:
>> nevertheless many trains dont have the disabled coach. This also
>> should be looked into.
>>
>>
>> On 28/01/2016, George Abraham  wrote:
>>> The train services should have audio announcements like in the Delhi
>>> Metro,
>>> Rajdhani Express and the Shatabdi Express. Further the Railway
>>> authorities/staff should have a trained cadre that supports or
>>> facilitates
>>> persons with disability, senior citizens and others who need help.
>>> Braille
>>> is a good initiative but the solution is not complete.  In my experience,
>>> seasoned blind travellers do not need any signage inside trains. Given
>>> that
>>> the railway coaches are standard, locating the wash room, berths etc
>>> comes
>>> with orientation from frequent travel.  A question for the group, how
>>> many
>>> blind people in our country and how many of them read Braille? Ofcourse
>>> technological solutions like apps is good but will serve a very small
>>> population.
>>>
>>> -Original Message-
>>> From: AccessIndia [mailto:accessindia-boun...@accessindia.org.in] On
>>> Behalf
>>> Of Kotian, H P
>>> Sent: 28 January 2016 11:51
>>> To: AccessIndia: a list for discussing accessibility and issues
>>> concerning
>>> the disabled.
>>> Subject: Re: [AI] India's 1st Blind-friendly Train Runs Between Mysuru,
>>> Varanasi
>>>
>>> Hi
>>> I do agree. Let us appreciate the steps taken and work with the
>>> authorities
>>> to make accessibility more better. I find now there is barrier coming
>>> from
>>> our side and we want to oppose every initiative. Accessibility done in
>>> the
>>> coach is a one time measure make use of it or leave it no big deal about
>>> it. I do recall, in the same post, there was mention of navigational maps
>>> were made on Mysore station. Therefore, Braille is not the only solution
>>> thought about. Apps based solution works on a totally different plane,
>>> even
>>> if it is done, our brilliant armchair activists will come out saying we
>>> are
>>> a poor country and most cannot own a mobile phone.
>>>
>>> I think we deserve stale mind attitude of the previous government, no
>>> work,
>>> no complaints.
>>>
>>> Harish Kotian
>>>
>>> -Original Message-
>>> From: AccessIndia [mailto:accessindia-boun...@accessindia.org.in] On
>>> Behalf
>>> Of Zoher
>>> Sent: 28 January 2016 11:08
>>> To: AccessIndia: a list for discussing accessibility and issuesconcerning
>>> the disabled.
>>> Subject: Re: [AI] India's 1st Blind-friendly Train Runs Between Mysuru,
>>> Varanasi
>>>
>>> Hello friends,
>>>
>>> I think none of us should comment on the efforts taken by the govt
>>> without
>>> experiencing the same. We have all the rights to criticize or appreciate
>>> the train if we have firsthand experience of travelling inn that.
>>>
>>> We should also understand 1 fact that to please all the section of the
>>> society is just not possible for any govt.
>>>
>>> The positive thing I see is that at least and at last govt bodies has
>>> started to understand and recognize the importance of disabled sections
>>> of
>>> the society even though they are not a large and united vote bank.
>>>
>>> If we confront with govt on every step they take, then I think it may
>>> hamper entire process.
>>>
>>> So rather confronting with the authorities we should follow the path of
>>> consensus.
>>>
>>> I think we should take this as a first step and not the end of process.
>>>
>>>
>>>
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Re: [AI] Maneka raises objections to proposed Disability Bill

[Umesha S E]

Kanchan Pamnani,
Madam,

Please define inclusion and accessibility with respect to mentally
disabled and physically disabled.
Also give me a legal definition of mental illness.

To tell you frankly, I don’t know what is exactly in the RPD bill. But
I am sure that it is far better than the existing law. Even if there
are miner problems, it can be corrected through amendments. I am
curious on the fact that while many acts get tens and hundreds of
amendments, the PWD act has not got any amendment in 20 years. Now it
is more than 2 decades and much has changed and amending this act is
useless. But at least the forth coming act should get amendments as
and when needed. But some major problems if any, should be corrected
in the beginning. But, that should not lead at any cost to undue
delaying of the passing. I don’t support the delay.

Now why I put above 2 questions is, there is lot of difference in
rehabilitation, inclusion of these 2 kinds of disabilities. The
identification, needs and possibilities are different. The
employability of physically disabled and mentally disabled is
different. As per the central government rules issued as per Supreme
Court guidelines, the 3 percent reservation should be calculated on
the basis of entire cadre, and the same number of posts be reserved
within the identified categories of posts. What if the identified
posts are different for different disability? What if the number of
posts in the 2 groups are different? i.e. suppose there are 100 posts
reserved for VH and 500 posts are identified for OH? Certainly the
quota for these 2 should be different. And then what should be the
policy for shifting the posts within different subcategories of
disability? This is a complicated issue and needs to be solved. As per
PWD act, if eligible candidates are not available for a notified post,
it should be kept backlog and not be shifted to other kinds of
disabilities until the next recruitment. But, most of the recruiting
agencies don’t know this and not implementing this. In one of my RTI
cases, even the Karnataka Public Service Commission and even the then
Karnataka Information Commissioner thought that it can easily be
shifted to other disabilities in the same recruitment.
Intrasectoral differences and disputes are being misused by
governments to delay and deny the provisions I agree. But, we have to
understand that there are some real concerns and issues in this
regard. Yesterday I went to the 30th annual meeting of Karnataka State
Government Disabled Employees’ Association. There was a voice from one
of the members from Vidhanasowda (administrative building of the state
government) itself that Visually challenged are not properly concerned
and represented in the association. He seemed so disappointed that he
expressed willingness to give up the membership. I am not a right
person to comment on the issue since I am junior in the association
and not have the right experience. But from outside it gives a clue
from the fact that most of the core committee officers are
orthopaedically challenged. All this is outside legal matters I know.
But let it not have its way into legal matters as well. Encroachment
should not be there within disabled communities and there should be
legal provisions to protect it. when mental disability is added, the
problem will agrovate.

Umesha



On 1/28/16, sudarsanan etthirajan <sudarsanan1967...@gmail.com> wrote:
> since already VH quotas filled by other disabilities on the basis of
> suitability when you include mental disability it will encroach all
> quotas.
> e. sudarsanan.
>
> On 1/28/16, Anirban Mukherjee <sparsha.anir...@gmail.com> wrote:
>> friends,
>>
>> the passage of the bill has become some sort of a snake and ladder
>> game, it seems. firstly, it demonstrates an absolute lack of positive
>> intent in the ruling elite of this country, whichever political
>> formation they might seek to represent. secondly, there is a sectarian
>> tendency within the sector itself, that is to say, one group of
>> persons with a certain disability is reluctant to understand the pains
>> and the difficulties of another. it is cleverly and subtly utilised by
>> the government to create division amongst us thereby delaying the
>> discussion and passage of the legislation which is long overdue. now,
>> Ms Gandhi has put another spanner and the whole process, i am afraid,
>> is being delayed for almost an year more.
>>
>> Greetings, Anirban Mukherjee
>>
>> On 1/27/16, Kanchan Pamnani <kanchanpamn...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>> Umesha "Otherwise we
>>> loose a lot." Please explain. I don’t think we the visually impaired will
>>> lose anything at all. In fact we the visually impaired have lost  because
>>> the law has been delayed and will now get further delayed because of the
>>&g

Re: [AI] Maneka raises objections to proposed Disability Bill

[Umesha S E]

Certainly inclusion of physical and mental disabilities are entirely
different things. I do support that these 2 be separated. Otherwise we
loose a lot.



On 1/27/16, Asudani, Rajesh  wrote:
> of course.
> I have been saying this since long
> But nobody listens.
>
>
> सादर / With thanks & Regards
> राजेश आसुदानी Rajesh Asudani
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> 0712 2806846
>
> President
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> Co-Moderator
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>
> A-pilll = Action coupled with Positivity, Interest, Love, Logic and
> laughter.
>
>
> -Original Message-
> From: AccessIndia [mailto:accessindia-boun...@accessindia.org.in] On Behalf
> Of George Abraham
> Sent: Tuesday, January 26, 2016 5:49 PM
> To: 'AccessIndia: a list for discussing accessibility and issues concerning
> the disabled.'
> Subject: Re: [AI] Maneka raises objections to proposed Disability Bill
>
> I seriously think mental disabilities should be separated from physical
> disabilities. People might not agree with this but I believe that a number
> of possibilities of inclusion are lost because people tend to club the two
> streams. There should be two distinct bills.
>
> -Original Message-
> From: AccessIndia [mailto:accessindia-boun...@accessindia.org.in] On Behalf
> Of avinash shahi
> Sent: 26 January 2016 16:51
> To: accessindia
> Subject: [AI] Maneka raises objections to proposed Disability Bill
>
> http://www.siasat.com/news/maneka-raises-objections-proposed-disability-bil
> l-907277/
>
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Re: [AI] Fw: Requesting to support the issue

[Umesha S E]

enough, unnecessary politics. is there any attempt towards telling
Modi in a healthy manner that the term "Divyang" is not right to
describe disabled?

Umesha S E

On 1/1/16, vivek doddamani <vivekka...@gmail.com> wrote:
> true, PM has not completely order Divyang just he had suggested the
> word this means he is concerned about disabled persons, you people why
> did youpick up the matter of word disabled, disable means we are not
> abled persons that means useless but till date why sareen sir agreed
> for the word Disabled this is just foolishness.
>
> On 1/1/16, Aaruni Sharma <aruni...@gmail.com> wrote:
>> Hi, I completely agree with your observations. Is it not a great thing
>> that
>> the PM is taking every section on board his development agenda? How many
>> PMs in the past have talked about disability affairs in their speeches?
>> Our
>> PM is very active on social platforms and we can easily communicate our
>> objections to him. On another note,  many terms are being refashioned and
>> this whole affair is also a part of the exercise it seems.
>>
>> On 31 December 2015 at 15:53, Vedprakash <vedprakash.sha...@gmail.com>
>> wrote:
>>
>>> We may agree or disagree with the term  divyang, we cannot question
>>> Modi's
>>> intention over the term.
>>> He does not have any personal grudges with the disabled. Neither has he
>>> got
>>> any quarrels to settle with them. But he gave the term to his best
>>> wisdom.
>>> It is a different issue whether or not we accept it.
>>> So, we should debate it in a healthy manner. Let us keep away the
>>> politics
>>> or Modi from the debate.
>>> Yes, I also think that the word does not describe the disabled in real
>>> sense. We can continue with the present word or may search for a new
>>> one.
>>> Let us focus upon these lines.
>>>
>>> Exciting Offers to Grab  Vedprakash Sharma
>>>
>>> -Original Message-
>>> From: AccessIndia [mailto:accessindia-boun...@accessindia.org.in] On
>>> Behalf
>>> Of Avichal Bhatnagar
>>> Sent: Thursday, December 31, 2015 2:38 PM
>>> To: AccessIndia: a list for discussing accessibility and issues
>>> concerning
>>> the disabled. <accessindia@accessindia.org.in>
>>> Subject: Re: [AI] Fw: Requesting to support the issue
>>>
>>> Petty politics in the disability sector is the biggest hindrance in the
>>> growth of the disabled.
>>> People use such opportunities to assert their political ideologies
>>> rather
>>> than utilizing them for a better tomorrow.
>>> Instead of drafting such hardcore petitions, the better way would have
>>> been
>>> to write him a letter by first thanking for mentioning about the
>>> disabled,
>>> and then explaining about how such a term is not required.
>>>
>>>
>>> On 12/31/15, Umesha S E <umesha@gmail.com> wrote:
>>> > rightly said by Ved prakash. in another thread, people referred to it
>>> > as hatefull usage. I don't find any reason for modi to have hatred
>>> > towards disabled. I also disagree with the term divyang.
>>> >
>>> > On 12/31/15, Vedprakash <vedprakash.sha...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>> >> Although I do not agree to the word "divyang" however, I do not
>>> >> understand as to how have we been insulted by the suggestion of Modi.
>>> >> Modi coined a term for us. We do not agree with it. That is all.
>>> >> But attaching hatefulness, insult etc with it is nothing but our
>>> >> political expressions.
>>> >> Let us not play politics with our own selves.
>>> >> We must display our disagreement to the term at all available
>>> >> platforms.
>>> >> But
>>> >> abusing Modi for it serves no purpose.
>>> >> There is no evidence that Modi coined the term out of some personal
>>> >> illwill towards the disabled. He may not have foreseen the
>>> >> consequences of using such term. But his ignorance cannot be termed
>>> >> as his sin.
>>> >>
>>> >> Exciting Offers to Grab  Vedprakash Sharma
>>> >>
>>> >> -Original Message-
>>> >> From: AccessIndia [mailto:accessindia-boun...@accessindia.org.in] On
>>> >> Behalf Of Vikas Kapoor
>>> >> Sent: Wednesday, December 30, 2015 5:26 PM
>>> >> To: Access India <access

Re: [AI] Fw: Requesting to support the issue

[Umesha S E]

rightly said by Ved prakash. in another thread, people referred to it
as hatefull usage. I don't find any reason for modi to have hatred
towards disabled. I also disagree with the term divyang.

On 12/31/15, Vedprakash  wrote:
> Although I do not agree to the word "divyang" however, I do not understand
> as to how have we been insulted by the suggestion of Modi.
> Modi coined a term for us. We do not agree with it. That is all.
> But attaching hatefulness, insult etc with it is nothing but our political
> expressions.
> Let us not play politics with our own selves.
> We must display our disagreement to the term at all available platforms.
> But
> abusing Modi for it serves no purpose.
> There is no evidence that Modi coined the term out of some personal illwill
> towards the disabled. He may not have foreseen the consequences of using
> such term. But his ignorance cannot be termed as his sin.
>
> Exciting Offers to Grab  Vedprakash Sharma
>
> -Original Message-
> From: AccessIndia [mailto:accessindia-boun...@accessindia.org.in] On Behalf
> Of Vikas Kapoor
> Sent: Wednesday, December 30, 2015 5:26 PM
> To: Access India 
> Subject: [AI] Fw: Requesting to support the issue
>
> - Original Message -
> From: r k sarin
> To: sachi57si...@gmail.com
> Sent: Tuesday, December 29, 2015 7:11 PM
> Subject: Requesting to support the issue
>
>
> The President,
> JNUTA, Jawaharlal Nehru University
>
> Dear Comrade,
>
> On behalf of the Progressive Society for the Sightless Persons, we are
> seeking your support not only to uphold our view but take up this issue at
> all possible levels as the Prime Minister has insulted us our earned
> credibility by calling us DIVYANG instead of Viklang. This is true we are
> disabled due to one or the other challenge but we have acquired with the
> support of our parents, teachers and various
> societies/organisations/associations and social actions. Nobody gets right
> to insult all these people by denying their role.
>
> In our emergency meeting we took its cognisance and passed the following
> resolution and decided to initially pass this message to the maximum and
> then plan to start a signature campaign against it. It Reads:
>
> "... resolved that we strongly condemn the statement of the Prime Minister
> which he made on December 3 and reiterated today on December 27, 2015 in
> 'MAN KI BAT' and call Viklang 'DIVYANG' person with the divine organ. This
> is the insult of the community of the disability, our parents and all
> progressive socio-political organisations who made their all-out endeavours
> to make us a human beings and the contributory segment of the society. This
> is a reactionary trap and we appeal to all of you to join hands to oppose
> such type of hateful propagation. We are human being and love to remain so
> and be regarded at par."
>
> I leave this issue with you and it is upto the JNUTA how to take it. If at
> any time, I am needed for any clarification, I will always be at your
> hands.
>
> Dr. R. K. Sarin,
> General Secretary,
> Progressive Society for the Sightless Persons
> E-mail: pssp23.1...@gmail.com
> Phone: 9650947179
>
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Re: [AI] Chandigarh: Classmates made fun of disability, stabbed him

[Umesha S E]

When I was in 2nd standard, fellow (sighted) classmates were teasing
me by putting stones in my school bag. Once tired by this, I threw a
stone into one among them. It hit him on the head and made a bleeding
wound.

Umesha S E


On 12/19/15, Manjunatha V <manjunath...@rediffmail.com> wrote:
> Similarly many a times students with special needs even have to tolerate lot
> of humiliation and abuses by the school management, teachers and sub-staff
> goes unnoticed. That is the reason I always stand on special education till
> higher primary level. Provided proper planning and quality not compromised
> there. By the time these little champs come out of special schools, should
> have developed that confidence to face this society. I feel.
>
> With regards,
> Manjunatha V...
>
> -Original Message-
> From: AccessIndia [mailto:accessindia-boun...@accessindia.org.in] On Behalf
> Of avinash shahi
> Sent: Saturday, December 19, 2015 1:20 PM
> To: accessindia; jnuvision
> Subject: [AI] Chandigarh: Classmates made fun of disability, stabbed him
>
> This is not a standalone story. there are several schools where peer
> classmates make fun of disability and disabled classmates.  This child
> couldn't tolerate for long and used knife to retaliate. such incidents
> raise burning question about how to build inclusive-classroom in
> schools. How to deal with discrimination on the bases of disability in
> so-called inclusive schools?
> http://chandigarh.amarujala.com/feature/crime-bureau-chd/classmates-were-made-fun-of-disability-stabbed-him-hindi-news/
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> http://chandigarh.amarujala.com/feature/crime-bureau-chd/classmates-were-made-fun-of-disability-stabbed-him-hindi-news/
>
> नौवीं के छात्र ने अपने सहपाठी पर चाकू चला दिया
> हाई स्कूल में साथ पढ़ने वाले सहपाठी उसकी अपंगता का मजाक उड़ाते थे।
> पहले वो खामोश रहा, बर्दाश्त नहीं हुआ तो उन्हें दी भयावह सजा। दरअसल
> गर्वनमेंट मॉडल हाई स्कूल सेक्टर-29 में बुधवार को नौवीं के छात्र ने
> अपने सहपाठी पर इसलिए चाकू चला दिया था क्योंकि उसके सहपाठी उसकी अपंगता
> का मजाक उड़ाते थे।
>
> कोई कहता कि तू मोटरसाइकिल नहीं चला सकता तो कोई कहता कि तू कुछ भी नहीं
> कर सकता। कोई उसके फेल होने पर उसे चिढ़ाता था। यही नहीं सहपाठी उसे कई
> नामों से बुलाते थे। कई दिनों से वह चुप था और जब उसका गुस्सा फूटा तो
> उसने चिढ़ाने वाले एक सहपाठी पर चाकू से हमला कर दिया।
>
> पहले तो चाकू चलाने का कारण सीट पर बैठने के लिए हुआ विवाद बताया गया,
> मगर जब स्कूल में अन्य सहपाठियों, अध्यापकों और प्रिंसिपल से बात की गई
> तब पता चला कि उसके इस गुस्से का असली कारण वह घटिया मजाक था, जिसे वह कई
> दिनों से सह रहा था।
>
> स्कूल में इस तरह की पहली घटना के बाद अध्यापक और प्रिंसिपल भी सतर्क हो
> गए हैं और उनका कहना है कि अब बच्चों के बैग चेक किए जाया करेंगे। वहीं
> चाइल्ड राइट्स कमीशन ने स्कूल प्रिंसिपल को कमीशन के समक्ष पेश होने के
> लिए समन भेजा है।
> जिस छात्र ने चाकू चलाया, वह जन्म से अपंग है। उसके दोनों हाथों की
> उंगलियां नहीं हैं। स्कूल में सहपाठी उसे अक्सर चिढ़ाते थे कि वह
> मोटरसाइकिल नहीं चला सकता। कोई काम नहीं कर सकता। कोई उसे किसी नाम से
> पुकारता तो कोई किसी और से।
>
> वहीं स्कूल के अनुसार हमला करने वाला छात्र पढ़ाई-लिखाई में ज्यादा ठीक
> नहीं था और इस बार नौंवी में फेल हो गया था। इस बात को लेकर भी बच्चे
> उसको छेड़ते थे। बच्चे के पिता प्लंबर हैं।
>
> स्कूल ने 10 दिन के लिए किया निष्कासित
> घटना के बाद स्कूल प्रिंसिपल राजेश कुमार ने हमला करने वाले छात्र को
> स्कूल के शिकायत निवारण फोरम की सिफारिशों के बाद दस दिन के लिए स्कूल से
> निष्कासित कर दिया है। प्रिंसिपल का कहना है कि स्कूल में इस तरह की घटना
> पहली बार हुई है। भविष्य में इस तरह की घटना को रोकने के लिए स्कूल में
> बच्चों के स्कूल बैग भी अब रोजाना चेक किए जाएंगे।
>
> चाइल्ड राइट्स कमीशन की चेयरपर्सन देवी सिरोही ने बताया की स्कूल
> प्रिंसिपल को सोमवार को कमीशन के समक्ष पेश होने का समन भेजा गया है।
> कमीशन इस मामले को बड़ी गंभीरता से ले रहा है। स्कूल प्रबंधन से मामले की
> पूरी जानकारी ली जाएगी।
>
> वहीं राजीव त्रेहन, मनोचिकित्सक, सिविल अस्पताल, पंचकूला ने बताया कि इस
> तरह की घटनाओं के लिए घर व समाज का माहौल सबसे ज्यादा जिम्मेदार होता है।
> अगर इस तरह के बच्चे को दूसरे छात्र परेशान करते हैं तो स्कूल में टीचरों
> की जिम्मेदारी बनती है कि वे इस तरफ ध्यान दें और ऐसे परेशान करने वाले
> छात्रों को समझाएं।
>
>
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Re: [AI] Treat Acid victims as disabled :Supreme Court

[Umesha S E]

Nirmal,

Feel the plight of those girls (and boys too) (not acid victims) who
are abandoned by their own families for their disability. No one is
against providing reservation to acid victims in the disability quota
if the same is increased proportionatlly. Let the government or the
court itself increase the quota from existing 3% to say 4% and create
a 4th sub quota and include the acid victims in that. Today acid
victims are not a vast number. Tomorrow some other group will be
included. Ultimately our community of physically challenged people
looses its share and goes back to earlier bad conditions. I am not
against these downtrodden communities. But my only argument is why
providing the reservation in this 3% only? Why not in other 97%? Why
all the burden of the society be born by these deprived disabled
class? Why not other parts have their share in this duty?

Umesha S E


On 12/16/15, SC Vashishth <subhashvashis...@gmail.com> wrote:
> Nirmal, there is no one on this list who will not empathise with the cause
> or not support the acid attack survivors. All we discussed is legal
> technicalities in implementing a judgement. If any survivor has lost her
> eyes, she gets covered under the visual disability for the disability law
> doesn't differentiate on the etiology of disability. However, if that is
> not the case, there would be problems!
>
> On 16 December 2015 at 10:18, Nirmal Verma <nirmalkat...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
>> Dear friends
>>
>> Have you all met with any acid attack victim. Most of them have been
>> attacked on face and their eyes affected. Some of them have their other
>> body parts affected as well.
>>
>> Their number is not vast and inclusion of these people in disability
>> quota
>> should not affect any.
>> Feel the plight of those girls who have been forced to keep their faces
>> hidden always under veil.
>>
>> On Dec 16, 2015 10:06 AM, "SC Vashishth" <subhashvashis...@gmail.com>
>> wrote:
>>
>> > I feel the judgement in present form is un-implementable, unless
>> > changes
>> > are made to the relevant laws/policies. I remember some time back,
>> Hon'ble
>> > Supreme Court also passed a direction  about giving job reservations to
>> > Transgender community as OBC and make provisions for adding special
>> public
>> > toilets for them as they had inhibitions using the male and female
>> toilets
>> > and also make changes to all forms etc to add Others with Mr./Ms.  That
>> has
>> > laregley been implemented and we have seen in recent past, the
>> transgenders
>> > becoming police inspectors and Mayors.
>> >
>> > It would have been easy to implement the addition of Acid Attack
>> survivors
>> > in the OBC Quota than in Disability Quota due to obvious reasons.
>> However,
>> > there wouldn't be any problem if the disability caused by the accident
>> > falls in the present three categories i.e. visual/ physical or hearing!
>> >
>> > On 15 December 2015 at 11:31, Umesha S E <umesha@gmail.com> wrote:
>> >
>> > > Dear George,
>> > >
>> > > not all acid victims are disabled as per the definition under PWD act
>> > > 1995. what about them? the present judgement is about them. for those
>> > > who become disabled by the cause of acid attack, this judgement is
>> > > redundant as they can claim reservation under existing law.
>> > >
>> > > Vashishth sir,
>> > >
>> > > why should they forego their share unless the government or the court
>> > > itself increase the quota?
>> > >
>> > > Umesha S E
>> > >
>> > >
>> > > On 12/14/15, George Abraham <geo...@eyeway.org> wrote:
>> > > > Acid victims become disabled. The cause of disability is acid
>> > > > attack
>> > > thats
>> > > > all.
>> > > >
>> > > > -Original Message-
>> > > > From: AccessIndia [mailto:accessindia-boun...@accessindia.org.in]
>> > > > On
>> > > Behalf
>> > > > Of SC Vashishth
>> > > > Sent: 14 December 2015 12:22
>> > > > To: AccessIndia: a list for discussing accessibility and issues
>> > > concerning
>> > > > the disabled.
>> > > > Subject: Re: [AI] Treat Acid victims as disabled :Supreme Court
>> > > >
>> > > > Dear Friends,
>> > > >
>> > > > On Monday i.e. 07th December 2015, the Hon'ble Supreme Cour

Re: [AI] Best alternative to capcha

[Umesha S E]

what is Google
Re-captcha? how does it function?

Umesha S E

On 12/18/15, ajaysharma89...@gmail.com <ajaysharma89...@gmail.com> wrote:
> Hi, the captcha used on e filing website is indeed very nice and clear that
> has been developed  by their own developers from scratch, thus it is kind of
> unique., and it could be considered to standardize and used by other sites
> upon the concent of its developers that I think is not an easy task. Using
> logical reasoning question as captcha could also be a possibility, but there
> have been cases where bots were able to pass it. Now, an another alternative
> is Google Re-captcha which is a free and accessible captcha service  by
> Google that is based on intellegent advanced risk analysis algorithem which
> is easy to embed and being used widely over the internet.
>
> Cheers!
> Ajay
>
>
>
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Re: [AI] List of books whose electronic version is needed

[Umesha S E]

I have the following books. but not clear if the sharing them is
permitted in the list.

Samuelson P A and Nordhaus W D Economics (not macroeconomics) (17th edition)

Luthans Fred Organizational Behavior

both in .KES format.

Umesha S E



On 12/20/15, Ajay Minocha <ajayminoc...@gmail.com> wrote:
> Hello,
>
> I have the John C Hull book with me, reply me offline will upload it for
> you.
>
> HTH,
> Ajay
>
> On 12/18/15, Aravind R <aravind.andhrab...@gmail.com> wrote:
>> hi friends,
>> Below is a  list of four books whose electronic version is needed for
>> various exams preparation?
>> kindly send me either the books or the links o download.
>>
>> 1. Options, Futures and Other Derivatives - 8th edition - John C. Hull
>> and
>> Sankarshan Basu
>> 2. Fundamentals of Financial Management - 10th edition - brigham houston
>> 3. Macroeconomics - 19th edition - Paul Samuelson and William Nordhaus
>> 4. Organizational Behavior - 15th edition - Robbins, Judge and Vohra
>>
>>
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Re: [AI] Treat Acid victims as disabled :Supreme Court

[Umesha S E]

Dear George,

not all acid victims are disabled as per the definition under PWD act
1995. what about them? the present judgement is about them. for those
who become disabled by the cause of acid attack, this judgement is
redundant as they can claim reservation under existing law.

Vashishth sir,

why should they forego their share unless the government or the court
itself increase the quota?

Umesha S E


On 12/14/15, George Abraham <geo...@eyeway.org> wrote:
> Acid victims become disabled. The cause of disability is acid attack thats
> all.
>
> -Original Message-
> From: AccessIndia [mailto:accessindia-boun...@accessindia.org.in] On Behalf
> Of SC Vashishth
> Sent: 14 December 2015 12:22
> To: AccessIndia: a list for discussing accessibility and issues concerning
> the disabled.
> Subject: Re: [AI] Treat Acid victims as disabled :Supreme Court
>
> Dear Friends,
>
> On Monday i.e. 07th December 2015, the Hon'ble Supreme Court of India
> directed all states to treat Acid Survivors as disabled persons & extend
> job reservation and social welfare schemes. While it's good thought to
> extend the benefits of this benevolent legislation to mainstream and
> empower acid survivors, will there be corresponding increase in the %age of
> reservation? Which disability group would give up their share ?
>
> The central law- The Persons with Disabilities (Equal Opportunities,
> Protection of Rights and Full Participation) Act 1995 provides for
> reservation in jobs etc to the tune of 3% where 1% each is reserved for
> Visually Impaired (both low vision and Blind), Orthopedic Disabilities
> (including cerebral palsy) & Hearing Impaired. There are several other
> categories defined in the definition of a person with disability in the Act
> viz. Leprosy Cured, Mental Illness, Mental Retardation etc. but the
> reservation is not extended to any other categories except the above three.
> The judgement is silent on the process of granting such reservation as the
> law currently has no such provision. The direction in the last para is :
>
> "Disposing of the present writ petition, we additionally direct all the
> States and Union Territories to consider the plight of such victims and
> take appropriate steps with regard to inclusion of their names under the
> disability list."
>
> The Supreme Court judgement can be accessed here at link: Writ Petition
> Civil No. 867 of 2013 titled Parivartan Kendra Versus Union of India and
> Others
> <https://drive.google.com/file/d/0B9pA0kt0x8XwYnBPQUhTYmZkY2M/view?usp=shar
> ing>
>
> Let us see how the States & UTs respond to this direction coming from none
> other than top court of the country. But one thing is certain, in today's
> scenario, no disability group would be willing to let go their share!
>
>
> On 10 December 2015 at 15:08, Amar Jain <amarjain2...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
>> While I am in full support of proper rehabilitation of Acid attack
>> survivors, but attaching them with a disability is over-judicial
>> activism to my mind.
>>
>> The very basic premise on which disability works is inability of a
>> bodily or intellectual or psychological sense to function to its
>> fullest extent, which imposes certain limitation on the way one's life
>> works, which may not be true in all cases of all acid attack
>> survivors.
>>
>> I can rationalise with the Court to the extent that those cases where
>> some disfigurement has happend might call for inclusion in the list of
>> disability, but this kind of blanket observation does not justify its
>> reasons to me.
>>
>> Regards,
>>  --
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>> Website: www.amarjain.com
>>
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Re: [AI] FYI: Urban development ministry frames accessibility guidelines for buildings

[Umesha S E]

How many guidelines?

As once I searched, there are 3-4 guidelines applicable to my area.
But, none is legally enforceable. Moreover, most of them are not
scientifically defined, not updated to incorporate recent changes in
technology, differ one from another. More importantly, what is the
penalty for violating these guidelines? Nothing. They are not
officially notified in gazette. Simply the authorities like
commissioners may orally caution the people involved in construction.
What if they turn a deaf ear towards those words? For example, in
Tumkur University campus, (Karnataka), which is mostly built after
many of these guidelines are framed (I avoid the term enforced), many
buildings are inaccessible. Whom should I blame? On what basis? What
is the penalty? Will the inaccessibility be corrected after complaint?

The present guidelines might also be one more among those old ones.
But I hope they should not be. If we fail so utterly in the process of
making the law itself, I am afraid how many generations we should wait
to see the "Accessible India". Thanks to the moderators and others at
least we are seeing "Access India" in this generation. (Smiles)

Umesha S E
Assistant Professor of Economics,
And
Liaison Officer for the Disabled,
Tumkur University, Tumakuru, Karnataka
9480662242


On 12/13/15, avinash shahi <shahi88avin...@gmail.com> wrote:
> Where I can obtain the document?
> http://economictimes.indiatimes.com/news/economy/policy/urban-development-ministry-frames-accessibility-guidelines-for-buildings/articleshow/50159164.cms
> NEW DELHI: The government has formulated guidelines to make all
> government and private buildings, including malls, restaurants and
> public dealing offices, accessible to the disabled and the elderly.
>
> The Union urban development ministry, after a year's spadework, has
> prepared "harmonised guidelines and space standards for barrier-free
> environment for persons with disabilities".
>
> The 100-page document lists out detailed specifications for all new
> buildings, including specifications on access to buildings, provision
> of disabled-friendly toilets, specifications of walkways, floor
> patterns, illumination levels, door handles, lifts, height of public
> telephones, vending machines, ATMs and drop boxes.
>
> The need for the guidelines was felt after the ministry of social
> justice and empowerment pointed out that there are varied
> specifications from Central Public Works Department (CPWD) and state
> agencies. The ministry of social justice asked the urbG A·an
> development ministry to formulate guidelines that would be common
> standard for all public buildings.
>
> "At present, there are no common standards. With Accessible India
> being implemented by the Centre on mission mode, such guidelines
> become essential. So, these guidelines have been formulated," a senior
> official told ET.
>
> All public buildings have to comply with accessibility requirement for
> persons with disabilities including government institutions, office
> buildings, residential buildings, commercial buildings, health
> facilities, restaurants, recreational and sports facilities, religious
> buildings and all other building types used by the general public.
>
> At present, these guidelines are not mandatory for private players.
> "For private players, these would be simple guidelines. But if
> somebody wants to build an accessible building, these standards have
> to be adhered to," said an official involved in framing the
> guidelines.
>
> The urban development ministry officials formulated the guidelines
> after consultations with organisations working with the
> differently-abled and detailed study of international standards. The
> document includes detailed guidelines such as provision of at least
> one entrance for a wheelchair user, unisex toilets on each floor of a
> multi-level building, no use of cobblestones on pathways, tactile
> guidance strips along the hallways, no confusing floor patterns like
> stripes, minimum illumination levels in lux, handrails with braille
> panels and door handles with simple pull and push mechanism.
>
>
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> Doctoral student at Centre for Law and Governance JNU
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Re: [AI] Dell's new problem for JAWS users

[Umesha S E]

Auto hot key
www.autohotkey.com
www.autohotkey.net/~Lexikos/AutoHotkey_L

may come to your help.
it is a programme to set your own shortcut keys and much more. you can
remap keys to function as different keys. first you have to get the
scan codes of the actual keys and write scripts to output the standerd
function key commands. however, if the hardware is designed so that
the keys bypass the windows and directly captured by the hardware,
this cannot help you. try once.

Umesha S E


On 12/13/15, Ekinath Khedekar <ekin...@gmail.com> wrote:
> Hi Guys,
>
> May be I’ve discussed this before, but I am pretty frustrated with my
> new Dell Inspiron 15 5558 lap top because I don’t know for what
> purpose, but top line of function keys would not work as function keys
> until ‘fn’ key is pressed along with it.
> It forces me to press 3 or sometimes even 4 combinations of keys while
> using JAWS.
>
> My friend tried solving it through bios, but he did not find relevant
> option which is mentioned online.
>
> What can be done about it?
>
> Please guide
>
> Thanks and regards
>
>
>
>
>
> --
>   ***
>
> "I am only one, but I am one. I cannot do everything, but I can do
> something. And because I cannot do everything, I will not refuse to do
> the something I can do. What I can do, I should do. And what I should
> do, by the grace of God, I will do."
> EDWARD EVERETT HALE.
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Re: [AI] Treat Acid victims as disabled :Supreme Court

[Umesha S E]

though I am not against the acid attack victims, this measure is not
acceptable to me. theoretically as said by amar, and practically
adding more and more category of people to disabled quota will harm
the real disabled. let them add these groups by increasing the
disabled quota to 10% instead of existing 3 or 5% (In some cases). I
also heard somewhere that there is an attempt to add diabetics to the
category. if all this if allowed to happen, the real disabled will
never get benifits out of this quota. even mentally illness should be
kept out of the quota. it is an injustice done by judiciary.

On 12/10/15, Misbah  wrote:
> Absolutely agree with Amar.
>
> On 12/10/15, Amar Jain  wrote:
>> While I am in full support of proper rehabilitation of Acid attack
>> survivors, but attaching them with a disability is over-judicial
>> activism to my mind.
>>
>> The very basic premise on which disability works is inability of a
>> bodily or intellectual or psychological sense to function to its
>> fullest extent, which imposes certain limitation on the way one's life
>> works, which may not be true in all cases of all acid attack
>> survivors.
>>
>> I can rationalise with the Court to the extent that those cases where
>> some disfigurement has happend might call for inclusion in the list of
>> disability, but this kind of blanket observation does not justify its
>> reasons to me.
>>
>> Regards,
>>  --
>> Amar Jain.
>> Website: www.amarjain.com
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Re: [AI] Case judgements

[Umesha S E]

to which court they belong to? most of the judgements of supreme court
and high courts are available online.

Umesha S E

On 10/19/15, Parul Ghosh <parulgho...@gmail.com> wrote:
> Hello everyone,
>
> I am looking for two case judgements and I was wondering if they are
> available online anywhere -
>
> 1. Dinesh Gupta vs Ministry of Transport & Ors
> 2. Social Jurist vs Govt. of NCT of Delhi & Ors.
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Re: [AI] fasilities available to government employees with disability in different states

[Umesha S E]

dear Anirban Mukherjee
,

just out of curiosity, why do you need this information?

Umesha S E

On 10/17/15, Akash Gupta <aka.associ...@gmail.com> wrote:
> Dear friends,
> how to know  which facilities are given to persons with disabilities
> in government jobs in particular state?
>
> On 17/10/2015, Renuka Warriar Edakkunni <eren...@gmail.com> wrote:
>> Sorry, I forgot.  In Kerala also, the PH have been exumpted from
>> paying professional tax.
>>
>> Renuka
>>
>> On 10/16/15, gopala krishna <gopalfi...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>> On 10/16/15, markandeswar rao Bandi <markandeswar.ba...@gmail.com>
>>> wrote:
>>>> please provide a link for profisional tex diduction
>>>>
>>>> On 10/14/15, Anirban Mukherjee <sparsha.anir...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>> Dear List members,
>>>>>
>>>>> i have some questions regarding the special fasilities available to
>>>>> the disabled employees of central and different state governments. let
>>>>> me put the specific questions.
>>>>>
>>>>> 1. fasilities regarding special leaves on account of disability,
>>>>> 2. any special allowances provided as conveyance/traveling allowance,
>>>>> and the amount,
>>>>> 3. any relaxation provided in the time of attendance and departure,
>>>>> 4. any other benefits,
>>>>> 5. all the above issues for the disabled teachers,
>>>>>
>>>>> i hope you would respond to my questions soon.
>>>>>
>>>>> thanks in anticipation, sincerely, Anirban Mukherjee
>>>>> follow me on Twitter: @anirbansparsha
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>>>> --
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>>>> District Coordinator (Disabilities)
>>>> MGNREGS AP
>>>> DWMA office Kakinada
>>>> East godavari district
>>>> contacts
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>>>> personal mobile: 9440223992
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Re: [AI] fasilities available to government employees with disability in different states

[Umesha S E]

in Karnataka,

no extra leave,
convayence allowance at 6% of basic pay for blind/orthopedically impaired.
priority in transfer related matters.
no relaxation in attendence.
no clear rules for aids to disabled employees.

Umesha S E


On 10/15/15, Asudani, Rajesh <rajeshasud...@rbi.org.in> wrote:
> I believe such a facility was withdrawn, rahul?
> Can you share the relevant GR?
>
>
> सादर / With thanks & Regards
> राजेश आसुदानी Rajesh Asudani
> सहायक महाप्रबन्धक AGM
> बाजार आसूचना ईकाई MIU
> भारतीय रिजर्व बैंक Reserve Bank of India
> नागपुर Nagpur
>
> 0712 2806846
>
> President
> VIBEWA
> Co-Moderator
> VIB-India
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> A-pilll = Action coupled with Positivity, Interest, Love, Logic and
> laughter.
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> -Original Message-
> From: AccessIndia [mailto:accessindia-boun...@accessindia.org.in] On Behalf
> Of Rahul Kelapure
> Sent: Thursday, October 15, 2015 4:16 PM
> To: AccessIndia: a list for discussing accessibility and issues concerning
> the disabled.
> Subject: Re: [AI] fasilities available to government employees with
> disability in different states
>
> In Maharashtra, in addition to Rajesh's email, PWD employees are
> allowed to either come to office half an hour late or leave from
> office half an hour early. Either of the two.
>
> On 10/15/15, Asudani, Rajesh <rajeshasud...@rbi.org.in> wrote:
>> In Maharashtra:
>> 1. Assistive devices upto Rs. 5
>> 2. Conveyance allowance at double the rate of non-blind
>> 3. Ten SCL for disability related seminars
>> 4. No special conveyance allowance
>>
>>
>> सादर / With thanks & Regards
>> राजेश आसुदानी Rajesh Asudani
>> सहायक महाप्रबन्धक AGM
>> बाजार आसूचना ईकाई MIU
>> भारतीय रिजर्व बैंक Reserve Bank of India
>> नागपुर Nagpur
>>
>> 0712 2806846
>>
>> President
>> VIBEWA
>> Co-Moderator
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>>
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>>
>> -Original Message-
>> From: AccessIndia [mailto:accessindia-boun...@accessindia.org.in] On
>> Behalf
>> Of Anirban Mukherjee
>> Sent: Wednesday, October 14, 2015 11:17 PM
>> To: accessindia@accessindia.org.in
>> Subject: [AI] fasilities available to government employees with
>> disability
>> in different states
>>
>> Dear List members,
>>
>> i have some questions regarding the special fasilities available to
>> the disabled employees of central and different state governments. let
>> me put the specific questions.
>>
>> 1. fasilities regarding special leaves on account of disability,
>> 2. any special allowances provided as conveyance/traveling allowance,
>> and the amount,
>> 3. any relaxation provided in the time of attendance and departure,
>> 4. any other benefits,
>> 5. all the above issues for the disabled teachers,
>>
>> i hope you would respond to my questions soon.
>>
>> thanks in anticipation, sincerely, Anirban Mukherjee
>> follow me on Twitter: @anirbansparsha
>>
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Re: [AI] RP father

[Umesha S E]

Dear Kumar and others,

Does that doctor perform genetic test for visually impaired? I am
suffering from congenital cataract. As the literature says a good
number of genetic diseases can cause cataract. I want to know the
cause of the problem and whether it can continue to next generation.

Umesha


On 10/14/15, Dr.B.S.M.Kumar  wrote:
> Hi Madhav,
> Just take the child to L V Prasad Eye Institute, Hyderabad or Sankara
> Netralaya, Chennai and consult the pediatric eye retina specialist,
> and follow their instructions. In case your friend needs any
> assistance for a genetic specialist, then I can forward the contact
> details of Dr. G. Kumaramanikavel, a leading medical genetic
> specialist.
> regards,
>
>
> On 10/14/15, Madhav kumar  wrote:
>> Dear Dr. Vamshi,
>> Ideal situation has past now.
>> Sir, if the genetic test of the baby is performed now, will that rule out
>> the possibility of any eye related issue.
>> What is the right age for the baby to go for the genetic test.
>>
>> regards
>> Madhav
>>
>> On Tue, Oct 13, 2015 at 9:17 PM, Vamshi. G  wrote:
>>
>>> Dear Mohit,
>>>
>>> There are genetic counseling centers available at hospitals like
>>> sankar netralaya.  You can get genetic counseling done taking into the
>>> account factors like family history, marriage amongst blood relatives,
>>> etc.  They will give a probability of the next generation picking up
>>> the disease.  Having said this, its only probability and nothing can
>>> be assured.
>>>
>>> On 10/13/15, Mohit Gupta  wrote:
>>> > hi vamshi
>>> > your sentence:
>>> > Ideally this exercise should have been undertaken before going for
>>> > children.
>>> > Please explain it throughly.
>>> > On 10/13/15, Vamshi. G  wrote:
>>> >> Hi,
>>> >>
>>> >> Ideally this exercise should have been undertaken before going for
>>> >> children.  Now the problem can only be identified, not prevented.
>>> >>
>>> >> I was diagnosed at the age of 3 when my parents found that I was not
>>> >> pointing out objects properly.  May be a reputed hospital can test for
>>> >> the same.
>>> >>
>>> >>
>>> >> On 10/13/15, Nirmal Verma  wrote:
>>> >>> Dear Madhav
>>> >>>
>>> >>> Please take your child to reputed hospital like LVPEI hyderabad.
>>> >>> where
>>> >>> they
>>> >>> have a pediatric section.
>>> >>>
>>> >>> Nirmal
>>> >>>
>>> >>> On 13 October 2015 at 12:03, Madhav kumar 
>>> >>> wrote:
>>> >>>
>>>  Dear Sir,
>>> 
>>>  My colleague who is a RP patient has recently been blessed with a
>>>  baby
>>>  boy.
>>>  He wants to know what is the right time to get the eyes of the baby
>>>  tested
>>>  so as to confirm that baby is not suffering from RP or any of the
>>>  related
>>>  issues with eyes.
>>> 
>>>  regards
>>>  Madhav
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Re: [AI] accessibility of paytm or MTS website?

[Umesha S E]

between paytm and mobikwik, which is better?

Umesha S E

On 10/11/15, Mohib Anwar Rafay <mohibra...@gmail.com> wrote:
> is there mobile website for paytm? like m.facebook.com for facebook?
> because its main website is not accessible on PC.
>
> On 10/9/15, Akash Kakkar <akash.mis...@gmail.com> wrote:
>> link for what?
>>
>> On 10/9/15, Giri Prasad <mgiriprasadma...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>> Hi can you share the link?
>>> Thanks.
>>>
>>> On 09/10/2015, Surya Prakash Sharma <spsharma.gc...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>> Hi Mohib,
>>>> Paytm app is very much accessible and you can easyly pay your bills
>>>> there.
>>>>
>>>> On 10/9/15, Akash Kakkar <akash.mis...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>> although you can easily py your bill via MTS website, but it requires
>>>>> a slight learning curv. alternatively, install paytm App, and pay from
>>>>> there. paytm app is quite accessible
>>>>>
>>>>> On 10/9/15, Mohib Anwar Rafay <mohibra...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>> Hey all, I wanted to pay my MTS wifi data card bill. But I found its
>>>>>> website inaccessible. As it is showing me to select some check boxes
>>>>>> of advertisements. These check boxes are not being activating even by
>>>>>> pressing space bar, any clue how can this issue be resolved?
>>>>>> Alternatively I thought to pay my bill through PAYTM , again it is
>>>>>> not
>>>>>> accessible. Is there any workaround for it?
>>>>>>
>>>>>> --
>>>>>> Mohib Anwar Rafay
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Phone: +919 555 555 765
>>>>>>
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Re: [AI] Need biotechnology and book urgent:

[Umesha S E]

which link to follow from the home page? there no link named e-books.
most of the links require sign in. do we have to pay for the same?

Umesha S E

On 10/11/15, Arjun Malhotra <malhotraarjun2...@gmail.com> wrote:
> exactly. One need to copy text to word or notepad.
>
> On 10/11/15, Nagababu Arepalli <nagababu...@gmail.com> wrote:
>> As for my knowledge we cont download books from manupatra, we can just
>> copy paste chapterwise text in Ms-word.
>>
>> On 10/11/15, Mohib Anwar Rafay <mohibra...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>> So the question is how to download eBooks from manupatra?
>>>
>>> On 10/11/15, Arjun Malhotra <malhotraarjun2...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>> It is a universal publication, titled bio technology and patents.
>>>>
>>>> On 10/11/15, Nagababu Arepalli <nagababu...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>> could you please tell me the name of the book
>>>>>
>>>>> On 10/11/15, Arjun Malhotra <malhotraarjun2...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>> Hi
>>>>>> I don't have the book, however one can check manupatra.com. There you
>>>>>> have a e-book on biotec and patent law along with genetics and patent
>>>>>> law. Check under e-book or academic e-book category on manupatra.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> On 10/10/15, Nagababu Arepalli <nagababu...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>>> Dear all,
>>>>>>>   I need Biotech and law text book if anybody having the same please
>>>>>>> mail
>>>>>>> me.
>>>>>>> It is quite urgent, any indian author will do.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> --
>>>>>>> [Sincerely,]
>>>>>>> Nagababu Arepalli national law university odisha,
>>>>>>> cuttack
>>>>>>> B.A.L.L.B(9th semester)
>>>>>>> PH: +918895587874>+919000963966
>>>>>>> mail ID:
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>>>>>>> nagababuna...@gmail.com
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Re: [AI] Suggestion for a choice of a technology for my term paper:

[Umesha S E]

Television may be an old (outdated) technology for the purpose.
Because you may not be able to perceive the social changes it has
brought in current society. Instead one can choose a part of it like
DTH or something. But I feel the screen readers would be better topic
than that. But the availability of literature to be looked into.

Umesha S. E.


On 10/3/15, Pranav Lal <pranav@gmail.com> wrote:
> Hi Vidhya,
>
> Go for a mainstream technology. How about television?
>
> Yes, the blind do watch TV.  Pranav
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Re: [AI] any circular for availing leave

[Umesha S E]

as per my knowledge, there is none of that kind. what is your specific problem?

Umesha S. E.

On 9/25/15, sazid shaik <ashwaqahmed@gmail.com> wrote:
> hello list,
> Is there any circular to give preference for blind while availing
> leave.  As I want to know any circular which tells per fence while
> availing leave.
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Re: [AI] Urgent solution

[Umesha S E]

which page?

On 9/18/15, Sonu Golkar  wrote:
> Dear Friends,
>
>
>
> When I open any web page in Mozilla, after the opening the particular web
> page, other web pages automatically opening therefore I am facing
> difficulty
> to access that particular web page, therefore I am requesting you to kindly
> throw some light on this issue and solve the problem.
>
>
>
> Thank you
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>
>
> Regards
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Re: [AI] zotero accessibility

[Umesha S E]

Dear muruganandan,

since JAWS is not a open source, the ZOTERO team may not be able to
test the Zotero application running jaws.
if that is the case, one of us can test it for jaws and give feedback.
we have many technical experts in the list.

They also repeated that Zotero was too small a project to make proper
accessibility checks.
checking accessibility is not the big issue. we have accessibility
testers. they have to develop the accessible version.

Hope most of the options that are accessible with NVDA will be
accessible with JAWS.
no, here there is a substantial difference between the 2. the jaws is
not able to intercept the screen display elements and screen text.

You may also install the Zutila Ad-on which gives some more keyboard
options for using Zotero options...
where can I get it? I couldnot get it googling it. moreover, the
problem is not of key commands. it is regarding reading. jaws is not
at all reading the text displayed on the screen. we can neither use
jaws cursor, nor develop jaws scripts.

you may read through these discussions at the Zotero forum additionally:
I will go through when time permits and get back.

thank you very much
Umesha



On 9/16/15, muruganandan.k <send2...@gmail.com> wrote:
> Dear sir,
>
> since JAWS is not a open source, the ZOTERO team may not be able to
> test the Zotero application running jaws. They also repeated that
> Zotero was too small a project to make proper accessibility checks.
> Hope most of the options that are accessible with NVDA will be
> accessible with JAWS. Since I have NVDA alone as my screen-reader, I
> am not able to tell you how much it is accessible with JAWS
>
> You may also install the Zutila Ad-on which gives some more keyboard
> options for using Zotero options...
>
>
> you may read through these discussions at the Zotero forum additionally:
>
> https://forums.zotero.org/discussion/35225/accessibility-for-blind-and-visually-impaired-people/
>
> https://forums.zotero.org/discussion/46933/how-far-zotero-is-accessible-with-screenreaders-for-the-blind/
>
> https://forums.zotero.org/discussion/40450/screen-reader-accessibility-keyboard-shortcuts/
>
>
> On 9/15/15, Umesha S E <umesha@gmail.com> wrote:
>> Friends,
>> sorry for the late reply.
>> to muruganandan,
>> what about accessibility for jaws? can't we expect it in near future?
>> because jaws is widely used screen reader due to historical reasons.
>>
>> to silpa and george,
>> while doing research and presenting the papers in academic
>> conferences/seminars, publishing articles in journals (subject related
>> periodicals), submitting Ph.D. thesis, or writing books, we have to
>> consult several sources of information. it is custom (and some times
>> rule) to make references to sources thus consulted. there are
>> established standerds for making these references to information
>> sources like books, journal or newspaper articles, thesis or reports.
>> the task of gathering the reference information for all of the sources
>> we consult and managing them and writing them in our Ph.D. thesis or
>> article can some times be a laborious thing. these reference manager
>> softwares exist in order to ease this task.
>>
>> hope my description answered your questions and not excessive. feel
>> free to ask any clarification.
>>
>> Umesha S. E.
>>
>>
>> On 9/1/15, George Abraham <geo...@eyeway.org> wrote:
>>> Pardon my ignorance. What is a reference manager software?
>>>
>>> -Original Message-
>>> From: AccessIndia [mailto:accessindia-boun...@accessindia.org.in] On
>>> Behalf
>>> Of Umesha Economics
>>> Sent: 01 September 2015 08:53
>>> To: Access India
>>> Subject: [AI] zotero accessibility
>>>
>>> Dear friends,
>>> as many of you know well, zotero is an open source reference manager
>>> software. but it is inaccessible with jaws. do you know any idea to make
>>> it
>>> accessible?
>>>
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Re: [AI] Request for supporting me to fight against the injustice done to me in EFL University

[Umesha S E]

Priyanka,
"when I asked him write something in favor of me,"
what to write?
when I said to talk to your superviser, it means you have to ask him
what best can be done in your interest and whether he can do something
in your favour.

Amar Jain,
I think the PhD course work will be for only one semester. so, the
cluase you said regarding next semester may not apply to this case.

Umesha S. E.


On 9/15/15, Amar Jain <amarjain2...@gmail.com> wrote:
> first of all, well written subject .
>
> I have roughly checked your university's act, and the ordinances.
> Without necessarily treating it as a legal advice:
>
> 1. In case of project works, or other assignments such as course
> works, right of re-evaluation is not available.
>
> 2. You can apply for re-evaluation of the term end paper before
> commencement of the next semester.
>
> 3. If that option is gone, then you practically have no way then to
> wait for their official letter, and then to appeal to executive
> council which can over-turn the decision of the vice-chancellor and
> controller.
>
> 4. If that also fails, then file a RTI asking the university to
> provide the names of the students who have been given second chance in
> the course works, although that seems discretionary looking at the
> ordinance.  And take it to Court.
>
> The above suggestions are subject to any other ordinance or regulation
> or notification which may have a modificatory effect and the same may
> not be available on the website of the university.
>
> Regards,
> --
> Amar Jain.
> Website: www.amarjain.com
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Re: [AI] zotero accessibility

[Umesha S E]

Friends,
sorry for the late reply.
to muruganandan,
what about accessibility for jaws? can't we expect it in near future?
because jaws is widely used screen reader due to historical reasons.

to silpa and george,
while doing research and presenting the papers in academic
conferences/seminars, publishing articles in journals (subject related
periodicals), submitting Ph.D. thesis, or writing books, we have to
consult several sources of information. it is custom (and some times
rule) to make references to sources thus consulted. there are
established standerds for making these references to information
sources like books, journal or newspaper articles, thesis or reports.
the task of gathering the reference information for all of the sources
we consult and managing them and writing them in our Ph.D. thesis or
article can some times be a laborious thing. these reference manager
softwares exist in order to ease this task.

hope my description answered your questions and not excessive. feel
free to ask any clarification.

Umesha S. E.


On 9/1/15, George Abraham <geo...@eyeway.org> wrote:
> Pardon my ignorance. What is a reference manager software?
>
> -Original Message-
> From: AccessIndia [mailto:accessindia-boun...@accessindia.org.in] On Behalf
> Of Umesha Economics
> Sent: 01 September 2015 08:53
> To: Access India
> Subject: [AI] zotero accessibility
>
> Dear friends,
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> software. but it is inaccessible with jaws. do you know any idea to make it
> accessible?
>
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Re: [AI] Request for supporting me to fight against the injustice done to me in EFL University

[Umesha S E]

Hi Priyanka,

don't get depressed. before trying to fight on the matter outside the
university, try to settle it internally. practically speaking, even if
you get success in fight with your department, there may be troubles
in your course time. first of all, talk with your superviser. what is
he/she is saying on the matter? after that, try to contact prof.
madhava prasad and find what is the reason you failed in the course.
what does rule book says about the second option to candidates who
fail in the course work? in our department in University of Mysore,
out of about 90 + candidates, 7 failed. they were given second chance
and all passed in that exam.

with best wishes,
Umesha S. E.


On 9/15/15, SATYA PRIYANKA Ramabhotla <satyapriyank...@gmail.com> wrote:
> Dear friends,
>
>   I am Satyapriyanka a visually challenged woman who registered for my
> Ph.D program   in 2014-2015 academic year in the department of
> Cultural Studies EFL University Hyderabad. I was told just a couple of
> days back by the department that I have failed in the course-work
> titled “Contemporary India” offered by Professor Madhava Prasad. To
> the best of my knowledge, I have submitted all the assignments and the
> final term paper asked by him. I strongly feel that I don’t deserve F
> grade in this course-work, while I got B and B+ in other three
> courses. I attended most of the classes and tried my level best to
> cope up with other students and with the professor in understanding
> the course. To your information, I was not given second chance to
> rewrite my term paper, nor was I informed that I failed in the course.
> When I went to get my Mini Thesis signed, I was told quite abruptly
> that I could not continue the program since I had been failed in a
> course-work. I strongly believe that the University and any person
> with little empathy would agree that it is a highly unfair treatment
> against a visually impaired woman who has crossed plenty of hurdles to
> reach the Ph.D course not to be allowed to rewrite the term paper or
> not being given any chance to rectify the mistakes if any. It is also
> quite rudimentary on the part of the Department of Cultural Studies to
> keep me in complete obliviousness about me having been failed in the
> course work. if the professor is not satisfied with my first
> submission, he could have conveyed my short-comings directly or could
> very well have given a chance to re-submit my course works. Yet,
> nothing of that sought was ever done in my case.
> I tried all the possibilities as a student what I could do in the
> university. Finally the university has decided to send me out. They
> are simply quoting the rule-book which says that if a Ph.D student
> gets F or D grade in any of the course-work, his or her admission will
> be canceled. But in my case, I was not even given second chance to
> re-submit the term-paper. All that was told to me was that I couldn’t
> continue the program owing to F grade in the particular course. That
> also, I was told after a month by the department. I appealed to the
> vice-chancellor, registrar, and controller of the examinations, but
> nothing seems to come out of it. Hence, I request you to support me to
> fight against the injustice done to me in this university.
>
> Thank you
> Satyapriyanka.R
> Ph.D research scholar
> Department of Cultural Studies
> EFL University
> Hyderabad
> Mobile: 9963629231
>
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Re: [AI] PWD switching from one Gov/PSU organization to another - Clarity needed

[Umesha S E]

Hi Ashish,
let me clarify first that the reservation claimed in any establishment
for recruitment is that purpose only. once you are into the service,
you should not be considered as coming from a particular quota. you
are one among the pool.

coming to your question, one can quit organisation X and join Y and
also can avail pwd reservation. but, sometimes organisation X might
have got undertaking from the person to serve X for certain minimum
number of years. that may be a hindrance. other than that, there is no
problem.

Umesha S. E.
Assistant Professor of Economics
and
Liaison Officer for the Disabled,
Tumkur University, Tumkur, Karnataka
Ph: 9480662242


On 8/8/15, Ashish Jha ashishjhalo...@gmail.com wrote:
 Hi All,

 I am looking for a clarity, requesting your help please.
 If a PWD working in a Gov/PSU organization (let say X) gets a better
 job  oppertunity in another PSU/Gov organization (let say Y), then
 will he/she be allowed to switch from X to Y under PWD reservation?
 Or is there any legal obligation behind same, as he/she already
 working under PWD reservation in organization X.



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Re: [AI] query regarding indian railways ID card

[Umesha S E]

Dear Harish Sir and others,
Please clarify me.
should I provide my present address proofs? I prefer to have my
permanent address on my card. most of the address proofs are with my
permanent address only. the only documents which I have for present
address are employee ID card and my BSNL telephone bill. that too,
they are with my official address and not the residencial ones.
what can I do?

Umesha S. E.
Assistant Professor of Economics
and Liaison Officer for the Disabled,
Tumkur University,
Tumkur, Karnataka.
Ph: 9480662242


On 8/6/15, vishal sharma sharma1010vis...@gmail.com wrote:
 well ,though my application was submitted before my elder brother
 submitted his ,he got the id card. I went to inquire for my id card
 and came to know my brother's id card was ready. I told the official
 ,if required I m ready to resubmit my documents. she replied ,no need
 to resubmit as they have many more id cards which they cannot give
 ,because some new smart cards are coming ,probably replacing the one's
 already given and also replacing the old format. so ,she has been told
 not to give any more cards. further ,I asked her for a tentative date
 on which I could get my card. she sounded unsure and told me that I
 would b called on my mobile when the card is ready.

 On 8/6/15, vivek doddamani vivekka...@gmail.com wrote:
 sir, I had submitted all my documents on February 26th 2015, till date
 I have not received, I am planning to write to Central Disabled
 Commission regarding this matter, I request you all of you to write to
 chief commissioner disabilities, the address is as follows, Chief
 Commissioner Disabilities, Sarojini Bhavan, Bhagwan das marg, New
 Delhi-110001,  ph: 011 23386054, 011 23386154.

 On 8/6/15, Tajwar singh Rawat tajwarrawat2...@gmail.com wrote:
 Sir, there are submited 3000 application in the drm office central
 Mumbai. Issuing date given 1-3 month but prescribed date has been
 expire unfortunately it is not provide by them not yet.
 With regard tajwar singh rawat. Mob 09637644817.


 On 8/5/15, amit pahuja amitpahuja4...@gmail.com wrote:
 by now  has anyone got the  railway ID card?

 On 7/22/15, Tajwar singh Rawat tajwarrawat2...@gmail.com wrote:
 DEAR SIR I WANT TO KNOW THAT, WHY ARE NOT BOTHERED NFB, AICB, OR OTHER
 HANDICAPPED ORGANIZATION ABOUT THE NEW CONCESSION ID?
 WITH REGARD TAJWAR SINGH RAWAT. MOB. : 09637644817.


 On 7/22/15, Umesha S E umesha@gmail.com wrote:
 Dear Harish Sir and others,
 should I provide my present address proofs? I prefer to have my
 permanent address on my card. most of the address proofs are with my
 permanent address only. the only documents which I have for present
 address are employee ID card and my BSNL telephone bill. that too,
 they are with my official address and not the residencial ones.
 what can I do?

 Umesha S. E.
 Assistant Professor of Economics
 and Liaison Officer for the Disabled,
 Tumkur University,
 Tumkur, Karnataka.
 Ph: 9480662242


 On 7/21/15, Amit Pahuja amitpahuja...@gmail.com wrote:
 has anyone got  the card by now?

 On 7/21/15, Amit Pahuja amitpahuja...@gmail.com wrote:
 has anyone got the  ID card  till now?

 On Tue, Jul 21, 2015 at 10:08 AM, Kotian, H P hpkot...@rbi.org.in
 wrote:

 Dear Umesha

 You should carry any of the documentation, anyone which is taken
 as
 a
 valid address proof document which carries the addresses you want
 to
 show.

 The nearest office should be taken as from your present address.

 If they are refusing, ask them to give it in writing and if
 possible
 record the conversation.

 Harish.

 -Original Message-
 From: AccessIndia [mailto:accessindia-boun...@accessindia.org.in]
 On
 Behalf Of Umesha S E
 Sent: 21 July 2015 09:22
 To: AccessIndia: a list for discussing accessibility and issues
 concerning
 the disabled.
 Subject: Re: [AI] query regarding indian railways ID card

 Dear friends,
 I faced another problem in Bangalore railway division office. my
 permanent
 address is in the Hassan district which belong to mysore division.
 but,
 I
 am working in Tumkur which belong to and is very near to bangalore
 division. when I approached the office through my friend, they
 told
 that
 I
 have to get the card from Mysore division. in the circular of the
 railway
 board dated 18-3-2015, there is no such condition. in the first
 para
 of
 the
 procedure, it is said to approach the nearest division office.
 but,
 they
 are refusing the application.
 what can be done for this?
 I got my concession certificate done in bangalore. if I go to
 Mysore,
 my
 certificate will be refused as per the above circular as it is got
 from
 the
 place outside the jurisdiction of Mysore division.

 Umesha S. E.
 Assistant Professor of Economics
 and
 Liaison Officer for the Disabled,
 Tumkur University,
 Tumkur, Karnataka
 Ph: 9480662242

 On 7/4/15, sonu golkar sonugol...@gmail.com wrote:
  Dear Friends,
 
  People are booking ticket online under disabled quota, is it
  possible
  to book online ticket

Re: [AI] query regarding Indian railways ID card

[Umesha S E]

Aravind,
they accept the certificate for purchasing tickets over the counter
and I have used it. they should also accept the same for ID card as
the term institution is there in the circular dated 18th march. when I
sent my documents, they said nothing about the certificate but refused
the application for other reason.

Umesha S E'

On 7/24/15, Umesha S E umesha@gmail.com wrote:
 Mr. Rajesh,
 Suppose I am boasting myself of being professor or master.
 What about you? You do not have the patience to identify the
 distinction between the concession certificate and the ID card even
 after there is a significant discussion in the list on the matter. Was
 there a need to say as if railways has outsourced the task of ID cards
 to NFB? Did my post imply that? Couldn’t you have the understanding
 that such a comments may hurt others while my way of addressing hurt
 you? Does only persons like you get hurt and not others? Even after
 understanding your misconception you couldn't ask excuse for it. Is
 politeness needed only for some people?

 You say railways may one day ask us to present before them naked.
 Don’t you know some agencies are asking people not to laminate some
 documents like passes to avoid tampering them? Are not they hasty
 irresponsible comments?

 Yes, I have to mind my way of addressing in future. But when will you
 mind your way of ridiculing others by your hasty sharp comments?
 You may restrain yourself from getting the card due to facilities you
 are having. But others may desperately need it.

 Umesha S E


 On 7/23/15, vivek doddamani vivekka...@gmail.com wrote:
 yes Arvind, in my whole life I have seen only national federation of
 blind NFB concession certificate has not been rejected in any railway
 station even in Shimoga  harihar they easily accept NFB concession
 certificate, before I used railway concession certificate done by eye
 specialist of famous government hospital that is Ram Manohar Lohia
 hospital of New delhi, but railway counter person in karnataka used to
 object even little mistake in railway concession like over writing of
 registration number, of hospital stamp or round stamp of hospital. go
 for NFB concession certificate.

 On 7/23/15, Aravind aravind.aralagu...@gmail.com wrote:
 Hi umesha does railways accepts concession certificate issued by N F B

 -Original Message-
 From: Asudani, Rajesh
 Sent: Thursday, July 23, 2015 10:11 AM
 To: AccessIndia: a list for discussing accessibility and issues
 concerningthe disabled.
 Subject: Re: [AI] query regarding Indian railways ID card

 Mr. Umesh
 Where was the need to address like that?
 Professor, or assistant professor, or associate professor, or masterjee
 you
 may be, keep it to yourself.
 And mind your addressing others in future.


 And, I promise I won't have  disability rail concession certificate re
 issued just for sake of lamination to get the railway card, come what
 may.


 सादर / With thanks  Regards
 राजेश आसुदानी Rajesh Asudani
 सहायक महाप्रबन्धक AGM
 बाजार आसूचना ईकाई MIU
 बारतीय रिजर्व बैंक Reserve Bank of India
 नागपुर Nagpur

 0712 2806846

 President
 VIBEWA
 Co-Moderator
 VIB-India

 A-pilll = Action coupled with Positivity, Interest, Love, Logic and
 laughter.

 -Original Message-
 From: AccessIndia [mailto:accessindia-boun...@accessindia.org.in] On
 Behalf
 Of Umesha S E
 Sent: Thursday, July 23, 2015 8:16 AM
 To: AccessIndia: a list for discussing accessibility and issues
 concerning
 the disabled.
 Subject: Re: [AI] query regarding Indian railways ID card

 Dear AGM,
 be cool

 1. I did not say the id card. I said certificate. concession
 certificate can be issued by doctor/medical practitioner/institution.
 NFB is one among such institutions.
 2. as per the circular dated 18th march, the division office has to
 cancel the certificate while issueing the card by affixing a seal.
 since they cannot put seal on a laminated certificate, they are asking
 for an unlaminated one. we cannot dispute that given the circular of
 the railway board.

 Umesha S. E.


 On 7/22/15, vivek doddamani vivekka...@gmail.com wrote:
 sir, Mr.umesh is refering to concession certificate not card, even NFB
 Delhi issuing railway concession certificate, DRM officials only after
 seeing latest concession certificate will accept application for ID
 card for booking ticket online.

 On 7/22/15, Asudani, Rajesh rajeshasud...@rbi.org.in wrote:
 Means?
 Not railway but NFB Karnataka is providing railway disability card?

 Has railways outsourced the job?


 -Original Message-
 From: AccessIndia [mailto:accessindia-boun...@accessindia.org.in] On
 Behalf
 Of Umesha S E
 Sent: Wednesday, July 22, 2015 8:38 AM
 To: AccessIndia: a list for discussing accessibility and issues
 concerning
 the disabled.
 Subject: Re: [AI] query regarding Indian railways ID card

 Hi Aravind,
 NFB karnataka branch is providing the certificate if you have a
 medical certificate showing your blindness. it may be easier for you

Re: [AI] query regarding Indian railways ID card

[Umesha S E]

Mr. Rajesh,
Suppose I am boasting myself of being professor or master.
What about you? You do not have the patience to identify the
distinction between the concession certificate and the ID card even
after there is a significant discussion in the list on the matter. Was
there a need to say as if railways has outsourced the task of ID cards
to NFB? Did my post imply that? Couldn’t you have the understanding
that such a comments may hurt others while my way of addressing hurt
you? Does only persons like you get hurt and not others? Even after
understanding your misconception you couldn't ask excuse for it. Is
politeness needed only for some people?

You say railways may one day ask us to present before them naked.
Don’t you know some agencies are asking people not to laminate some
documents like passes to avoid tampering them? Are not they hasty
irresponsible comments?

Yes, I have to mind my way of addressing in future. But when will you
mind your way of ridiculing others by your hasty sharp comments?
You may restrain yourself from getting the card due to facilities you
are having. But others may desperately need it.

Umesha S E


On 7/23/15, vivek doddamani vivekka...@gmail.com wrote:
 yes Arvind, in my whole life I have seen only national federation of
 blind NFB concession certificate has not been rejected in any railway
 station even in Shimoga  harihar they easily accept NFB concession
 certificate, before I used railway concession certificate done by eye
 specialist of famous government hospital that is Ram Manohar Lohia
 hospital of New delhi, but railway counter person in karnataka used to
 object even little mistake in railway concession like over writing of
 registration number, of hospital stamp or round stamp of hospital. go
 for NFB concession certificate.

 On 7/23/15, Aravind aravind.aralagu...@gmail.com wrote:
 Hi umesha does railways accepts concession certificate issued by N F B

 -Original Message-
 From: Asudani, Rajesh
 Sent: Thursday, July 23, 2015 10:11 AM
 To: AccessIndia: a list for discussing accessibility and issues
 concerningthe disabled.
 Subject: Re: [AI] query regarding Indian railways ID card

 Mr. Umesh
 Where was the need to address like that?
 Professor, or assistant professor, or associate professor, or masterjee
 you
 may be, keep it to yourself.
 And mind your addressing others in future.


 And, I promise I won't have  disability rail concession certificate re
 issued just for sake of lamination to get the railway card, come what may.


 सादर / With thanks  Regards
 राजेश आसुदानी Rajesh Asudani
 सहायक महाप्रबन्धक AGM
 बाजार आसूचना ईकाई MIU
 बारतीय रिजर्व बैंक Reserve Bank of India
 नागपुर Nagpur

 0712 2806846

 President
 VIBEWA
 Co-Moderator
 VIB-India

 A-pilll = Action coupled with Positivity, Interest, Love, Logic and
 laughter.

 -Original Message-
 From: AccessIndia [mailto:accessindia-boun...@accessindia.org.in] On
 Behalf
 Of Umesha S E
 Sent: Thursday, July 23, 2015 8:16 AM
 To: AccessIndia: a list for discussing accessibility and issues concerning
 the disabled.
 Subject: Re: [AI] query regarding Indian railways ID card

 Dear AGM,
 be cool

 1. I did not say the id card. I said certificate. concession
 certificate can be issued by doctor/medical practitioner/institution.
 NFB is one among such institutions.
 2. as per the circular dated 18th march, the division office has to
 cancel the certificate while issueing the card by affixing a seal.
 since they cannot put seal on a laminated certificate, they are asking
 for an unlaminated one. we cannot dispute that given the circular of
 the railway board.

 Umesha S. E.


 On 7/22/15, vivek doddamani vivekka...@gmail.com wrote:
 sir, Mr.umesh is refering to concession certificate not card, even NFB
 Delhi issuing railway concession certificate, DRM officials only after
 seeing latest concession certificate will accept application for ID
 card for booking ticket online.

 On 7/22/15, Asudani, Rajesh rajeshasud...@rbi.org.in wrote:
 Means?
 Not railway but NFB Karnataka is providing railway disability card?

 Has railways outsourced the job?


 -Original Message-
 From: AccessIndia [mailto:accessindia-boun...@accessindia.org.in] On
 Behalf
 Of Umesha S E
 Sent: Wednesday, July 22, 2015 8:38 AM
 To: AccessIndia: a list for discussing accessibility and issues
 concerning
 the disabled.
 Subject: Re: [AI] query regarding Indian railways ID card

 Hi Aravind,
 NFB karnataka branch is providing the certificate if you have a
 medical certificate showing your blindness. it may be easier for you.

 Umesha


 On 7/22/15, Aravind aravind.aralagu...@gmail.com wrote:
 Hi friends this Monday I had also went to Bangalore division to enquire
 what

 are the documents should I produce they need original copy of
 concession
 certificate and that to without lamination but I have done lami
 nation of original copy now they are saying get one more certificate
 from
 the government doctor but my certificate

Re: [AI] query regarding Indian railways ID card

[Umesha S E]

Dear AGM,
be cool

1. I did not say the id card. I said certificate. concession
certificate can be issued by doctor/medical practitioner/institution.
NFB is one among such institutions.
2. as per the circular dated 18th march, the division office has to
cancel the certificate while issueing the card by affixing a seal.
since they cannot put seal on a laminated certificate, they are asking
for an unlaminated one. we cannot dispute that given the circular of
the railway board.

Umesha S. E.


On 7/22/15, vivek doddamani vivekka...@gmail.com wrote:
 sir, Mr.umesh is refering to concession certificate not card, even NFB
 Delhi issuing railway concession certificate, DRM officials only after
 seeing latest concession certificate will accept application for ID
 card for booking ticket online.

 On 7/22/15, Asudani, Rajesh rajeshasud...@rbi.org.in wrote:
 Means?
 Not railway but NFB Karnataka is providing railway disability card?

 Has railways outsourced the job?


 -Original Message-
 From: AccessIndia [mailto:accessindia-boun...@accessindia.org.in] On
 Behalf
 Of Umesha S E
 Sent: Wednesday, July 22, 2015 8:38 AM
 To: AccessIndia: a list for discussing accessibility and issues
 concerning
 the disabled.
 Subject: Re: [AI] query regarding Indian railways ID card

 Hi Aravind,
 NFB karnataka branch is providing the certificate if you have a
 medical certificate showing your blindness. it may be easier for you.

 Umesha


 On 7/22/15, Aravind aravind.aralagu...@gmail.com wrote:
 Hi friends this Monday I had also went to Bangalore division to enquire
 what

 are the documents should I produce they need original copy of concession
 certificate and that to without lamination but I have done lami
 nation of original copy now they are saying get one more certificate
 from
 the government doctor but my certificate is six month old how can I go
 once

 again to the same doctor

 -Original Message-
 From: Kotian, H P
 Sent: Tuesday, July 21, 2015 10:08 AM
 To: AccessIndia: a list for discussing accessibility and issues
 concerningthe disabled.
 Subject: Re: [AI] query regarding indian railways ID card

 Dear Umesha

 You should carry any of the documentation, anyone which is taken as a
 valid

 address proof document which carries the addresses you want to show.

 The nearest office should be taken as from your present address.

 If they are refusing, ask them to give it in writing and if possible
 record

 the conversation.

 Harish.

 -Original Message-
 From: AccessIndia [mailto:accessindia-boun...@accessindia.org.in] On
 Behalf

 Of Umesha S E
 Sent: 21 July 2015 09:22
 To: AccessIndia: a list for discussing accessibility and issues
 concerning
 the disabled.
 Subject: Re: [AI] query regarding indian railways ID card

 Dear friends,
 I faced another problem in Bangalore railway division office. my
 permanent
 address is in the Hassan district which belong to mysore division. but,
 I
 am

 working in Tumkur which belong to and is very near to bangalore
 division.
 when I approached the office through my friend, they told that I have to
 get

 the card from Mysore division. in the circular of the railway board
 dated
 18-3-2015, there is no such condition. in the first para of the
 procedure,
 it is said to approach the nearest division office. but, they are
 refusing
 the application.
 what can be done for this?
 I got my concession certificate done in bangalore. if I go to Mysore, my
 certificate will be refused as per the above circular as it is got from
 the

 place outside the jurisdiction of Mysore division.

 Umesha S. E.
 Assistant Professor of Economics
 and
 Liaison Officer for the Disabled,
 Tumkur University,
 Tumkur, Karnataka
 Ph: 9480662242

 On 7/4/15, sonu golkar sonugol...@gmail.com wrote:
 Dear Friends,

 People are booking ticket online under disabled quota, is it possible
 to book online ticket without appropriate ID card?

 Hoping for your positive response.

 Regards

 Sonu

 -Original Message-
 From: AccessIndia [mailto:accessindia-boun...@accessindia.org.in] On
 Behalf Of Anil Kumar
 Sent: Friday, July 03, 2015 5:21 PM
 To: AccessIndia: a list for discussing accessibility and issues
 concerning the disabled.
 Subject: Re: [AI] query regarding indian railways ID card

 Dear all,

 I also submitted my application yesterday at DCM Office, Trivandrum,
 Kerala.  Their behavior was good and I was told that it may take 2
 months to complete the procedure.  They told me that they will verify
 the certificate we submit by sending the officials to the hospital.
 After the due verification only, the card will be issued.  They
 further that nearly 2500 applications have been received and around 20
 cards issued so far.  And finally they gave the phone number along
 with their names to do the follow up enquiries.

 Anil.


 On 7/2/15, Aaruni Sharma aruni...@gmail.com wrote:
 Hello, There are no such limitations  for booking a ticket online
 under  handicapped concession. One

Re: [AI] query regarding Indian railways ID card

[Umesha S E]

Hi Aravind,
NFB karnataka branch is providing the certificate if you have a
medical certificate showing your blindness. it may be easier for you.

Umesha


On 7/22/15, Aravind aravind.aralagu...@gmail.com wrote:
 Hi friends this Monday I had also went to Bangalore division to enquire what

 are the documents should I produce they need original copy of concession
 certificate and that to without lamination but I have done lami
 nation of original copy now they are saying get one more certificate from
 the government doctor but my certificate is six month old how can I go once

 again to the same doctor

 -Original Message-
 From: Kotian, H P
 Sent: Tuesday, July 21, 2015 10:08 AM
 To: AccessIndia: a list for discussing accessibility and issues
 concerningthe disabled.
 Subject: Re: [AI] query regarding indian railways ID card

 Dear Umesha

 You should carry any of the documentation, anyone which is taken as a valid

 address proof document which carries the addresses you want to show.

 The nearest office should be taken as from your present address.

 If they are refusing, ask them to give it in writing and if possible record

 the conversation.

 Harish.

 -Original Message-
 From: AccessIndia [mailto:accessindia-boun...@accessindia.org.in] On Behalf

 Of Umesha S E
 Sent: 21 July 2015 09:22
 To: AccessIndia: a list for discussing accessibility and issues concerning
 the disabled.
 Subject: Re: [AI] query regarding indian railways ID card

 Dear friends,
 I faced another problem in Bangalore railway division office. my permanent
 address is in the Hassan district which belong to mysore division. but, I am

 working in Tumkur which belong to and is very near to bangalore division.
 when I approached the office through my friend, they told that I have to get

 the card from Mysore division. in the circular of the railway board dated
 18-3-2015, there is no such condition. in the first para of the procedure,
 it is said to approach the nearest division office. but, they are refusing
 the application.
 what can be done for this?
 I got my concession certificate done in bangalore. if I go to Mysore, my
 certificate will be refused as per the above circular as it is got from the

 place outside the jurisdiction of Mysore division.

 Umesha S. E.
 Assistant Professor of Economics
 and
 Liaison Officer for the Disabled,
 Tumkur University,
 Tumkur, Karnataka
 Ph: 9480662242

 On 7/4/15, sonu golkar sonugol...@gmail.com wrote:
 Dear Friends,

 People are booking ticket online under disabled quota, is it possible
 to book online ticket without appropriate ID card?

 Hoping for your positive response.

 Regards

 Sonu

 -Original Message-
 From: AccessIndia [mailto:accessindia-boun...@accessindia.org.in] On
 Behalf Of Anil Kumar
 Sent: Friday, July 03, 2015 5:21 PM
 To: AccessIndia: a list for discussing accessibility and issues
 concerning the disabled.
 Subject: Re: [AI] query regarding indian railways ID card

 Dear all,

 I also submitted my application yesterday at DCM Office, Trivandrum,
 Kerala.  Their behavior was good and I was told that it may take 2
 months to complete the procedure.  They told me that they will verify
 the certificate we submit by sending the officials to the hospital.
 After the due verification only, the card will be issued.  They
 further that nearly 2500 applications have been received and around 20
 cards issued so far.  And finally they gave the phone number along
 with their names to do the follow up enquiries.

 Anil.


 On 7/2/15, Aaruni Sharma aruni...@gmail.com wrote:
 Hello, There are no such limitations  for booking a ticket online
 under  handicapped concession. One can book a ticket without escort,
 with escort and also for persons upto a maximum of 6 on one ticket
 including the VI, escort and general.

 On 1 July 2015 at 10:06, vivek doddamani vivekka...@gmail.com wrote:

 Friend Ajit, I was very hurry to catch train to shimoga from
 Bangalore  just 30 minutes were left so I could not argue with the
 ticket counter woman, regarding ID card I know few people in Delhi
 have received this card one person name is Sunil Kumar Mahanto
 living in north campus of Delhi University  also Rakesh Kumar
 Shukla working in Directorate of Education his land line number is
 011 23813779 I enquired them about the usage of card they both
 replied still they have not booked ticket by using ID card, sunil
 kumar told me that with ID card we cannot book ticket without escort
 even for blind compulsory escort is necessary while booking ticket
 through ID card online.

 On 6/30/15, ajit able ajit.ab...@gmail.com wrote:
  Dear vivek if some refuse to give concessional ticket without
  valid reason.U must launch a written complian to sr. D. C. M
  (Senior divisional commercial manager) by regd. Post or by hand.
  On 30 Jun 2015 22:12, mukesh jain mukesh.jai...@gmail.com wrote:
 
  i recall that few days ago someone has vaguely mentioned that in
  delhi someone got

Re: [AI] query regarding indian railways ID card

[Umesha S E]

Dear Harish Sir and others,
should I provide my present address proofs? I prefer to have my
permanent address on my card. most of the address proofs are with my
permanent address only. the only documents which I have for present
address are employee ID card and my BSNL telephone bill. that too,
they are with my official address and not the residencial ones.
what can I do?

Umesha S. E.
Assistant Professor of Economics
and Liaison Officer for the Disabled,
Tumkur University,
Tumkur, Karnataka.
Ph: 9480662242


On 7/21/15, Amit Pahuja amitpahuja...@gmail.com wrote:
 has anyone got  the card by now?

 On 7/21/15, Amit Pahuja amitpahuja...@gmail.com wrote:
 has anyone got the  ID card  till now?

 On Tue, Jul 21, 2015 at 10:08 AM, Kotian, H P hpkot...@rbi.org.in
 wrote:

 Dear Umesha

 You should carry any of the documentation, anyone which is taken as a
 valid address proof document which carries the addresses you want to
 show.

 The nearest office should be taken as from your present address.

 If they are refusing, ask them to give it in writing and if possible
 record the conversation.

 Harish.

 -Original Message-
 From: AccessIndia [mailto:accessindia-boun...@accessindia.org.in] On
 Behalf Of Umesha S E
 Sent: 21 July 2015 09:22
 To: AccessIndia: a list for discussing accessibility and issues
 concerning
 the disabled.
 Subject: Re: [AI] query regarding indian railways ID card

 Dear friends,
 I faced another problem in Bangalore railway division office. my
 permanent
 address is in the Hassan district which belong to mysore division. but,
 I
 am working in Tumkur which belong to and is very near to bangalore
 division. when I approached the office through my friend, they told that
 I
 have to get the card from Mysore division. in the circular of the
 railway
 board dated 18-3-2015, there is no such condition. in the first para of
 the
 procedure, it is said to approach the nearest division office. but, they
 are refusing the application.
 what can be done for this?
 I got my concession certificate done in bangalore. if I go to Mysore, my
 certificate will be refused as per the above circular as it is got from
 the
 place outside the jurisdiction of Mysore division.

 Umesha S. E.
 Assistant Professor of Economics
 and
 Liaison Officer for the Disabled,
 Tumkur University,
 Tumkur, Karnataka
 Ph: 9480662242

 On 7/4/15, sonu golkar sonugol...@gmail.com wrote:
  Dear Friends,
 
  People are booking ticket online under disabled quota, is it possible
  to book online ticket without appropriate ID card?
 
  Hoping for your positive response.
 
  Regards
 
  Sonu
 
  -Original Message-
  From: AccessIndia [mailto:accessindia-boun...@accessindia.org.in] On
  Behalf Of Anil Kumar
  Sent: Friday, July 03, 2015 5:21 PM
  To: AccessIndia: a list for discussing accessibility and issues
  concerning the disabled.
  Subject: Re: [AI] query regarding indian railways ID card
 
  Dear all,
 
  I also submitted my application yesterday at DCM Office, Trivandrum,
  Kerala.  Their behavior was good and I was told that it may take 2
  months to complete the procedure.  They told me that they will verify
  the certificate we submit by sending the officials to the hospital.
  After the due verification only, the card will be issued.  They
  further that nearly 2500 applications have been received and around 20
  cards issued so far.  And finally they gave the phone number along
  with their names to do the follow up enquiries.
 
  Anil.
 
 
  On 7/2/15, Aaruni Sharma aruni...@gmail.com wrote:
  Hello, There are no such limitations  for booking a ticket online
  under  handicapped concession. One can book a ticket without escort,
  with escort and also for persons upto a maximum of 6 on one ticket
  including the VI, escort and general.
 
  On 1 July 2015 at 10:06, vivek doddamani vivekka...@gmail.com
  wrote:
 
  Friend Ajit, I was very hurry to catch train to shimoga from
  Bangalore  just 30 minutes were left so I could not argue with the
  ticket counter woman, regarding ID card I know few people in Delhi
  have received this card one person name is Sunil Kumar Mahanto
  living in north campus of Delhi University  also Rakesh Kumar
  Shukla working in Directorate of Education his land line number is
  011 23813779 I enquired them about the usage of card they both
  replied still they have not booked ticket by using ID card, sunil
  kumar told me that with ID card we cannot book ticket without escort
  even for blind compulsory escort is necessary while booking ticket
 through ID card online.
 
  On 6/30/15, ajit able ajit.ab...@gmail.com wrote:
   Dear vivek if some refuse to give concessional ticket without
   valid reason.U must launch a written complian to sr. D. C. M
   (Senior divisional commercial manager) by regd. Post or by hand.
   On 30 Jun 2015 22:12, mukesh jain mukesh.jai...@gmail.com
   wrote:
  
   i recall that few days ago someone has vaguely mentioned that in
   delhi someone got

Re: [AI] query regarding indian railways ID card

[Umesha S E]

Dear friends,
I faced another problem in Bangalore railway division office. my
permanent address is in the Hassan district which belong to mysore
division. but, I am working in Tumkur which belong to and is very near
to bangalore division. when I approached the office through my friend,
they told that I have to get the card from Mysore division. in the
circular of the railway board dated 18-3-2015, there is no such
condition. in the first para of the procedure, it is said to approach
the nearest division office. but, they are refusing the application.
what can be done for this?
I got my concession certificate done in bangalore. if I go to Mysore,
my certificate will be refused as per the above circular as it is got
from the place outside the jurisdiction of Mysore division.

Umesha S. E.
Assistant Professor of Economics
and
Liaison Officer for the Disabled,
Tumkur University,
Tumkur, Karnataka
Ph: 9480662242

On 7/4/15, sonu golkar sonugol...@gmail.com wrote:
 Dear Friends,

 People are booking ticket online under disabled quota, is it possible to
 book online ticket without appropriate ID card?

 Hoping for your positive response.

 Regards

 Sonu

 -Original Message-
 From: AccessIndia [mailto:accessindia-boun...@accessindia.org.in] On Behalf
 Of Anil Kumar
 Sent: Friday, July 03, 2015 5:21 PM
 To: AccessIndia: a list for discussing accessibility and issues concerning
 the disabled.
 Subject: Re: [AI] query regarding indian railways ID card

 Dear all,

 I also submitted my application yesterday at DCM Office, Trivandrum,
 Kerala.  Their behavior was good and I was told that it may take 2
 months to complete the procedure.  They told me that they will verify
 the certificate we submit by sending the officials to the hospital.
 After the due verification only, the card will be issued.  They
 further that nearly 2500 applications have been received and around 20
 cards issued so far.  And finally they gave the phone number along
 with their names to do the follow up enquiries.

 Anil.


 On 7/2/15, Aaruni Sharma aruni...@gmail.com wrote:
 Hello, There are no such limitations  for booking a ticket online under
  handicapped concession. One can book a ticket without escort, with
 escort
 and also for persons upto a maximum of 6 on one ticket including the VI,
 escort and general.

 On 1 July 2015 at 10:06, vivek doddamani vivekka...@gmail.com wrote:

 Friend Ajit, I was very hurry to catch train to shimoga from Bangalore
  just 30 minutes were left so I could not argue with the ticket
 counter woman, regarding ID card I know few people in Delhi have
 received this card one person name is Sunil Kumar Mahanto living in
 north campus of Delhi University  also Rakesh Kumar Shukla working in
 Directorate of Education his land line number is 011 23813779 I
 enquired them about the usage of card they both replied still they
 have not booked ticket by using ID card, sunil kumar told me that with
 ID card we cannot book ticket without escort even for blind compulsory
 escort is necessary while booking ticket through ID card online.

 On 6/30/15, ajit able ajit.ab...@gmail.com wrote:
  Dear vivek if some refuse to give concessional ticket without valid
  reason.U must launch a written complian to sr. D. C. M
  (Senior divisional commercial manager) by regd. Post or by hand.
  On 30 Jun 2015 22:12, mukesh jain mukesh.jai...@gmail.com wrote:
 
  i recall that few days ago someone has vaguely mentioned that in
  delhi
  someone got such cards. but noone is coming with the exact situation
  by mentioning the name of the person and their unique id number
  provided by the railway. so it's rightly said that  everywhere
  situation is not so  ggrim !
  hats of to the railway administration and it's  supporting network!
 
 
  On 6/30/15, Vikas Kapoor dl.vi...@gmail.com wrote:
   Couple of people in my knowledge in Lucknow have got their required
  cards...
  
   So, everywhere the situation is not so grim!
   - Original Message -
   From: mukesh jain mukesh.jai...@gmail.com
   To: AccessIndia: a list for discussing accessibility and issues
   concerningthe disabled. accessindia@accessindia.org.in
   Sent: Tuesday, June 30, 2015 12:42 PM
   Subject: Re: [AI] query regarding indian railways ID card
  
  
   hello,
   The move of issuing the identity card to the physically challenged
   persons to book the concessional ticket seems to be only to
   predict
   the deem implementation of court order at their end. In my zone,
   official dealing with this task are well aware of the procedure
   laid
   down in the railway circular to issue the identity card. As per
   their
   information, they are only advised to accept the apllications and
   verify the documents. Actual process of allotting the unique
   identity
   number to be printed on the card has not been started by the head
   quarter of railway. From the developments so fartaken place by the
   railway in this regard, it seems that  there is only way out

Re: [AI] regarding e-newspapers

[Umesha S E]

Dear friends,
I am working on providing the news content in accessible format after
obtaining the same from the news paper web sites. but my problem is
the copyright issue. in the absence of written permission from the
content owners, what does the present (revised recently) copyright law
states about providing the content in an accessible format? legal
experts, please enlighten on the matter.

Umesha S. E.
Assistant Professor of Economics
and
Liaison Officer for the Disabled,
Tumkur University, Tumkur, Karnataka.


On 7/12/15, sampath raj rao sampath.4...@gmail.com wrote:
 Hi could you share which newspapers are accessible through
 newstand_android?

 On 7/12/15, Salim k b salimsb...@gmail.com wrote:
 Dear Friend
 The Pioneer newspaper publishing from Delhi is permitting downloading
 of its e paper for free. We can read it with the support of Kurzwile.

 On 7/12/15, George Abraham geo...@eyeway.org wrote:
 How does one subscribe to these newspapers. Can someone explain? Are we
 talking of RSS feeds or are we talking of something else?

 -Original Message-
 From: AccessIndia [mailto:accessindia-boun...@accessindia.org.in] On
 Behalf
 Of Ajay Minocha
 Sent: 11 July 2015 23:23
 To: AccessIndia: a list for discussing accessibility and issues
 concerning
 the disabled.
 Subject: Re: [AI] regarding e-newspapers

 Hi,
 Fiew of them are readily available on google play news stand and are
 very accessible.

 On 7/11/15, Austin Pinto austinpinto.xavi...@gmail.com wrote:
 hi.
 almost 99.99% of e news papers are free.
 i havent seen any paid subscription.
 i my self am subscribed to the times of india.
 i read times of india via email, i have times of india app on android
 and sometimes go to there page.
 i am also subscribed to dna india.
 i also subscribe to the hindu.
 regarding accessability.
 the hindu is accessable as it is emailed by a orgenaisation working for
 vi.
 toi and dna india gives the full paper via email only if u want to
 read more on any story u need to click on the link that they give u
 that takes u to there website and is some what accessable.

 On 7/11/15, Rohit Gowlikar gowlikarro...@gmail.com wrote:
 Dear  friends

 hope  all are fine .

 I  would like to know  if  there  is anyone who is  subscribed  to
 any e -newspapers ,theiraccessibility  and the  tariff .



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Re: [AI] Guidelines on Barrier Free Environment needed.

[Umesha S E]

Hi Dhananjay,
I got 2 of the 3 documents you said. first is the guidelines and
space standards for barrier free environment published by CPWD in the
year 1998. second is the PLANNING A BARRIER FREE ENVIRONMENT
circulated by CCPD and prepared in the year 2001. the 3rd i.e.
accessibility chapter of the National Building
Code by BIS I could not get.
now I have the following queries
1. where can I get the BIS document?
2. what about the legal enforceability of these guidelines?
3. whether newer versions of these documents have come in view of the
fact that these are more than 10 years old?
4. which among these is the best in terms of being scientific and
improving the accessibility to PWDs?
5. the government of Karnataka had circulated the building byelaws
prepared by Bangalore Mahanagar Palike on 6-4-2004. how good these
guidelines are? I have a portion of these. does any one has complete
guidelines?
6. any other suggestion on evaluation and improvement of barrier free
environment in our university campus.

Umesha S. E.


On 7/4/15, Dhananjay Bhole dhananjay.bh...@gmail.com wrote:
 Dear Umasha,

 There are 2 to 3 standards or guidelines like documents as below.

 C.P.W.D. design guidelines published by the Ministry of Urban
 Development, ‘Planning a Barrier Free Environment’ published by the
 Office of the Chief Commissioner, Ministry of Social Justice and
 Empowerment and the Accessibility chapter in the National Building
 Code by the Bureau of Indian Standards.


 Regards
 On 7/4/15, Umesha Economics umesha@gmail.com wrote:
 Dear Friends,
 Government of Karnataka through the Department of Higher Education has
 asked
 Tumkur University (and other universities) to give a status report on the
 barrier free environment in the campus and buildings. the task has been
 assigned to me as I am the Liaison Officer for the Disabled for the
 University.
 So, experts in the field, please provide me the comprehensive guidelines
 on
 the barrier free environment with respect to physical environment against
 which I can evaluate the accessibility of the buildings and the campus.
 desirable if the guidelines are legally binding and applicable to state of
 Karnataka and are latest ones.

 Thank you
 Umesha S. E.
 Assistant Professor of Economics,
 and
 Liaison Officer for the Disabled,
 Tumkur University, Tumkur 572103, Karnataka


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Re: [AI] Statistics and econometrics

[Umesha S E]

Hi Ekinath,

though not an expert, I have learnt Econometrics. so, may I know what
are the specific issues?

since now a days I am not visiting Access India regularly due to my
Ph.D. work burden, I may miss the leading mails. in that case, you may
contact me through my mobile number +919480662242.

though I agree with Him Prasad on some facts like excel has lot more
potential capabilities than we know, I don't have hope in relaying
upon it for advanced econometric operations. I don't know much about
VBA coding. but doing it with regular formulas and data analysis
functions will not lead us a long way. say for example to run a
granger causality test on a group of variables, we have to run many
regression functions with different parameter sets using these excel
tools which do not support auto-recalculation. doing the same in
e-views requires only few clicks.

Umesha


On 3/29/15, Him Prasad Gautam drishtibac...@gmail.com wrote:
 hi,
 Though I have a little or no knowledge about Econometry and hence I am
 not in a position to directly help in this issue; as far as my
 knowledge, it is undoubtedly possible in Excel.
 In Excel, there are many built-in  statistical function. Please check
 the library of statistical function which you have to use for your
 problem. more over, , If not available too, even then there is a
 solution within it.
 one can create his/her own functions using VBA module coding.
 Excel has far more functionality than what we think.
 we can build our own functions/add-ins which work as already build-in
 functions do.
 However, it is just a theoretical idea and I have no ready made
 practical reply at hand.
 My mail is just for conceptual clarity rather than to provide a
 concrete solution right now!


 On 3/29/15, Ekinath Khedekar ekin...@gmail.com wrote:
 Dear Radha,

 Appreciate your help.

 Did you have an opportunity to do it on excel or something?

 There are signs etc. on Econometrics right.

 I am pretty sure Stasts can be done on excel. Not sure of Etrics.

 Will forward you what i discussed with Mitreya. Any help welcome please.

 TC




 On 3/29/15, Radha r.radh...@gmail.com wrote:
 Hi

 Econometrics deals with the measurement of economic relationships.
 Econometrics is basically applied statistics. The theory you learn in
 statistics can be used to answer questions posed in the field of
 economics. Because this application is mathematical, it allows
 economists to perform research using economic data in an empirical,
 scientific, and rigorous manner. So, trade-offs do exists.

 It's great that Maitreya is there to assist me as well.




 On 3/29/15, Ekinath Khedekar ekin...@gmail.com wrote:
 Guys,

 Thanks for your replies. But not too useful.

 I happen to be Economics grad with Masters in Finance But was never
 ttought Econometrics. SO wanted to know if any VI ever learned it?

 With Statistics also, specifically with regard to regression, I had
 few technical issues so discussing it with Maitreya.

 Thank you for your well-meant sharings.

 There's a difference between Economics and Econometrics.

 Cheers



 On 3/29/15, Rahul Bajaj rahul.bajaj10...@gmail.com wrote:
 Hi,

 You may find this interesting:
 http://www.businessinsider.in/The-Greatest-Graduation-Speech-Ever-Given-Might-Be-This-12-Bullet-Point-List-Of-Economic-Concepts/articleshow/33873723.cms

 Sent from my iPhone

 On Mar 29, 2015, at 12:18 AM, Maitreya Shah
 shah.maitrey...@gmail.com
 wrote:

 hi!
 as i am hardly aware about your present knowledge in economics,
 i am writing this as per my own perspective.

 if your intrest in economics is specifically for knowledge-gaining ,
 you should first get some terms in detail...
 like demand, supply, foreign exchange and foreign exchange reserves,
 GDP, GNP, marginal utility index, scarcity, market, bla bla.

 then you can look for some works by keynes, marshal, robbins, and
 others.
 if you want to get a different look towards economics,
 and if you have a lot of pacience,
 read this book..
 it's called freakonomics.
 but, beware!it will take you to some different tracks of  economics.
 if you are planning to get it from scratch,
 get some books of 11/ 12th commerce CBSE.



 On 3/28/15, Radha r.radh...@gmail.com wrote:
 Indeed fascinating subject as it is a  study regarding human
 behaviour. As a thumb rule, supply and demand speaks a lot.

 you can listen to the audio/  video  from the below link.

 https://www.khanacademy.org/economics-finance-domain/microeconomics#page-container
 If you are a  bookshare member, please fetch some books over there.

 I'm pasting a  link which states my favourite practical/ theoretical
   diminishing marginal utility

 http://www.economicshelp.org/blog/glossary/marginal-utility-theory/


 On 3/28/15, Ekinath Khedekar ekin...@gmail.com wrote:
 Hi List Members,

 Has anybody learned Econometrics thoroughly?

 How can I learn more?

 For statistics, I would use excel but econometrics is a different
 ball
 game.

 SO please let know if 

Re: [AI] Statistics and econometrics

[Umesha S E]

Yes Sir, we don't even need to know VBA coding for macro recording. we
can make a sequence of built in functions automatic and make into
single function. I was not talking about it. excel has a very good
feature called automatic recalculation which most of us kno that
recalculates the results of a formula as soon as the value in the data
cell changes. excel also has a tool called regression which is a part
of bundle called data analysis. but the results obtained by regression
tool are entered as plane values rather than as formulas and hence do
not have the auto recalculation feature. so, if any data cell changes
its value, we have to run all the regressions that depend on it.

Umesha


On 3/29/15, Him Prasad Gautam drishtibac...@gmail.com wrote:
 hi,
 with macro record and re-editing the codes, we can make many built-in
 functions automatic and single command too. However, it needs some
 knowledge the syntax of VBA coding.



 On 3/29/15, Umesha S E umesha@gmail.com wrote:
 Hi Ekinath,

 though not an expert, I have learnt Econometrics. so, may I know what
 are the specific issues?

 since now a days I am not visiting Access India regularly due to my
 Ph.D. work burden, I may miss the leading mails. in that case, you may
 contact me through my mobile number +919480662242.

 though I agree with Him Prasad on some facts like excel has lot more
 potential capabilities than we know, I don't have hope in relaying
 upon it for advanced econometric operations. I don't know much about
 VBA coding. but doing it with regular formulas and data analysis
 functions will not lead us a long way. say for example to run a
 granger causality test on a group of variables, we have to run many
 regression functions with different parameter sets using these excel
 tools which do not support auto-recalculation. doing the same in
 e-views requires only few clicks.

 Umesha


 On 3/29/15, Him Prasad Gautam drishtibac...@gmail.com wrote:
 hi,
 Though I have a little or no knowledge about Econometry and hence I am
 not in a position to directly help in this issue; as far as my
 knowledge, it is undoubtedly possible in Excel.
 In Excel, there are many built-in  statistical function. Please check
 the library of statistical function which you have to use for your
 problem. more over, , If not available too, even then there is a
 solution within it.
 one can create his/her own functions using VBA module coding.
 Excel has far more functionality than what we think.
 we can build our own functions/add-ins which work as already build-in
 functions do.
 However, it is just a theoretical idea and I have no ready made
 practical reply at hand.
 My mail is just for conceptual clarity rather than to provide a
 concrete solution right now!


 On 3/29/15, Ekinath Khedekar ekin...@gmail.com wrote:
 Dear Radha,

 Appreciate your help.

 Did you have an opportunity to do it on excel or something?

 There are signs etc. on Econometrics right.

 I am pretty sure Stasts can be done on excel. Not sure of Etrics.

 Will forward you what i discussed with Mitreya. Any help welcome
 please.

 TC




 On 3/29/15, Radha r.radh...@gmail.com wrote:
 Hi

 Econometrics deals with the measurement of economic relationships.
 Econometrics is basically applied statistics. The theory you learn in
 statistics can be used to answer questions posed in the field of
 economics. Because this application is mathematical, it allows
 economists to perform research using economic data in an empirical,
 scientific, and rigorous manner. So, trade-offs do exists.

 It's great that Maitreya is there to assist me as well.




 On 3/29/15, Ekinath Khedekar ekin...@gmail.com wrote:
 Guys,

 Thanks for your replies. But not too useful.

 I happen to be Economics grad with Masters in Finance But was never
 ttought Econometrics. SO wanted to know if any VI ever learned it?

 With Statistics also, specifically with regard to regression, I had
 few technical issues so discussing it with Maitreya.

 Thank you for your well-meant sharings.

 There's a difference between Economics and Econometrics.

 Cheers



 On 3/29/15, Rahul Bajaj rahul.bajaj10...@gmail.com wrote:
 Hi,

 You may find this interesting:
 http://www.businessinsider.in/The-Greatest-Graduation-Speech-Ever-Given-Might-Be-This-12-Bullet-Point-List-Of-Economic-Concepts/articleshow/33873723.cms

 Sent from my iPhone

 On Mar 29, 2015, at 12:18 AM, Maitreya Shah
 shah.maitrey...@gmail.com
 wrote:

 hi!
 as i am hardly aware about your present knowledge in economics,
 i am writing this as per my own perspective.

 if your intrest in economics is specifically for knowledge-gaining
 ,
 you should first get some terms in detail...
 like demand, supply, foreign exchange and foreign exchange
 reserves,
 GDP, GNP, marginal utility index, scarcity, market, bla bla.

 then you can look for some works by keynes, marshal, robbins, and
 others.
 if you want to get a different look towards economics,
 and if you have a lot of pacience

[AI] jaws script writer needed

[Umesha S E]

Hi friends,
I am in need of some jaws scripts for customized functionality. though
I can write scripts, due to other busy commitments, I am unable to do
it. so, I want to entrust/outsource the tasks to others. if any one
can do it, or know of any one doing it, please let me know.
You can contact me directly through my mobile number 9480662242

yours
Umesha



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Re: [AI] about hand scanners

[Umesha S E]

Hi Pranav Lal,

which is the best OCR for the android mobile phones?

Umesha


On 12/4/14, Pranav Lal pranav@gmail.com wrote:
 Hi,

 A better option for you may be to use a mobile phone and OCR. A hand
 scanner
 needs to be positioned on the line of the page which you want to scan. This
 is
 difficult to do if you are blind.

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Re: [AI] How to view mails in thread mode in outlook express 6

[Umesha S E]

for your information, outlook express is not available in windows 7.
in windows xp, to enable thread mode in outlook express, go to menus
 view  current view submenu  Group Messages by Conversation.

with best wishes,
Umesha


On 11/8/14, Amiyo Biswas amiyo.bis...@gmail.com wrote:
 What is the tread mode? Most of the accessindia messages have the previous
 messages quoted below the original message. I am sorry, I want to know if
 there is something special about it.

 With best regards,
 Amiyo Biswas
 Cell: +91-9433464329

 - Original Message -
 From: Dr. G. Janardhana Naidu jnga...@gmail.com
 To: accessindia accessindia@accessindia.org.in
 Sent: Saturday, November 08, 2014 7:04 PM
 Subject: [AI] How to view mails in thread mode in outlook express 6


 hello experts,
 Could you please guide me how to view mails in thread mode in outlook
 express 6 in windows 7 environment?
 Thanks and regards,
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Re: [AI] A question regarding the IRCTC website

[Umesha S E]

How to Join the petition against IRCTC? I would like to be a part of it.

Umesha.

On 10/20/14, bhawani shankar verma bsvermad...@gmail.com wrote:
 dear mahesh, the supporters of captcha are worried in account of IRCTC like

 the owners of websites. My dear friends you are not an owner of website, so,

 don't worry whether the IRCTC or any other websites will be hacked or not.
 they have appointed many computer scientist and paying a handsum salary to
 them. it is their baby that what would happen after removal such captcha.
 better is to concentrate on accessibility not on the pros and cons of the
 captcha.
 however, I am living this topic due to vacation.
 - Original Message -
 From: Mahesh S. Panicker maheshspanic...@gmail.com
 To: AccessIndia: a list for discussing accessibility and issues
 concerningthe disabled. accessindia@accessindia.org.in
 Sent: Monday, October 20, 2014 4:33 PM
 Subject: Re: [AI] A question regarding the IRCTC website


 The argument in favore of captchas in the name of security I don't
 think, can cut it. Even banking, that involves lots of security
 requirements, have mostly done away with them. They instead use OTPs.
 Now for railway ticketing, people have to pay the money to get the
 ticket. They have to inter lots of sensitive, and ultimately
 verifiable information as part of the process of payment. So where is
 the need for captchas? And if an essential  service like
 transportation access is designed in such  a way that it is
 inaccessible to the disabled despite the presence of accessible
 technology, I don't think there can be any defense. Particularly when
 it is a government institution. The railways is as much mine and other
 disabled like you and me. When the railway ticket booking site is
 designed in such a manner that shuts us out, what can be the logic for
 the same? There is no rime or reason for the incredibly hopeless who
 have designed this atrocious and pathetic site not to have provided an
 accessible audio captcha if the paranoid lot are so concerned about
 security. How on earth can we defend the same?
 I book my air tickets with mobile apps like Cleartrip and Make My
 Trip. The process is pretty much functionally accessible. But when I
 try to book a ticket from the hopeless IRCTC using the same apps, the
 thing would ask for a captcha to be entered. I had contacted Cleartrip
 about the same, they said they are quite  helpeless in this regard as
 it is the IRCTC requirement.
 And forget captchas, now that we can't even enter the date of travel.
 How on earth is that defendable?
 On 10/20/14, Hozefa Tambawala starh...@gmail.com wrote:
 Dear Mahesh,

 CAPTCHA is not a stupid thing. Just go through the previous mails of
 this list and then you will realize. If something is inaccessible,
 that doesn't mean that we should demand to remove it completely.

 On 10/20/14, bhawani shankar verma bsvermad...@gmail.com wrote:
 the supporters of captcha may enlight something on this matter.

 - Original Message -
 From: Mahesh S. Panicker maheshspanic...@gmail.com
 To: AccessIndia: a list for discussing accessibility and issues
 concerningthe disabled. accessindia@accessindia.org.in
 Sent: Sunday, October 19, 2014 11:58 PM
 Subject: Re: [AI] A question regarding the IRCTC website


 So all in all, we are totally done in by this good for nothing
 site... When would they be liberated from this terrible obsession
 with captchas? Perhaps we should make a fresh attempt with the new
 government and take the issue up with the ministry. I wanted to try
 and communicate the issues through the interact page on the PM's
 website, but again, this is another site inhibited by stupid captchas
 unfortunately.

 On 10/19/14, Vinod Benjamin vinbenji.gr...@gmail.com wrote:
 Dear sir, there is another captcha in that also , were you have to
 complete the transaction, were webvisum is not working, its working
 for one captcha for one day.

 On 10/19/14, Mahesh S. Panicker maheshspanic...@gmail.com wrote:
 Can't give the direct link for the page with the read only box as it
 would appear only when you try to book the ticket after loging in.
 Object navigation, screen navigation, virtual PC cursor, Jaws
 curser,
 root Jaws to PC, tried everything, the obnoxious thing just doesn't
 work.

 On 10/19/14, Bhavya shah bhavya.shah...@gmail.com wrote:
 Hi,
 Have you tried object navigation?
 If possible, could you give the direct link where we could test the
 read only box?

 On 10/19/14, Mahesh S. Panicker maheshspanic...@gmail.com wrote:
 Hello listers,
 The rather obnoxious  captcha requirements of the IRCTC website
 have
 been debated here many times and despite many demands from our
 side,
 the Rails unfortunately remain as stubborn as ever. Now I have a
 different question. If I manage to get into the site with the help
 of
 Webvisum, if I have to book a ticket, I am unable to select the
 date.
 It is a read only box, and even if I click on it and try to
 explore
 with 

Re: [AI] Conversion of PNG in to a Word document,

[Umesha S E]

Rahul,

first of all, attachments are not allowed in the list. coming to your
problem, use Kurzweil, fine reader or open book. they can handle PNG
files.

Umesha


On 9/14/14, rahul rahul rahulravindrain2...@gmail.com wrote:
 Dear Friends,
 Trust things are well!

 I am Rahul from Kerala. I am in a trial job with a Project Management
 Company. My job is to conversion of PNG files in to a neatly formatted
 word document.
 I used Jaws OCR to read, but it is not reading the PNG file. Friends
 there are any solution for reading?
 I am attaching   that PNG file along this mail.
 Eagerly waiting for your reply.

 Best,
 Rahul
 Mobil: 09946256208


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Re: [AI] accessible captcha selution

[Umesha S E]

Dear Sheik and others,

this service is available in windows XP itself without installing any
additional software. if you press print screen key, it captures the
screen and puts the content in the clipboard. you can paste it
anywhere.

Umesha


On 9/14/14, bhawani shankar verma bsvermad...@gmail.com wrote:
 I have only option to take sighted assistance, and secondly to get rid of
 this irritation i book my ticket from railway counters. station is not far
 from my place.
 - Original Message -
 From: Sonu Golkar sonugol...@gmail.com
 To: 'AccessIndia: a list for discussing accessibility and issues
 concerningthe disabled.' accessindia@accessindia.org.in
 Sent: Saturday, September 13, 2014 3:18 PM
 Subject: Re: [AI] accessible captcha selution


 Dear Bhavani,

 Earlier IRCTC site was accessible for visually impaired, not for
 everybody,
 but  I was able to book my tickets easily, nowadays apart from the
 captcha
 ppropblem, there are also problem. My query is that I am facing
 difficulty
 to select date, so how do you manage to select date on IRCTC site.

 Thank you

 Regards

 Sonu
 Sonu Golkar
 Mo: +918103416711,
 E: sonugol...@gmail.com
 Skype: sonu.golkar


 -Original Message-
 From: AccessIndia [mailto:accessindia-boun...@accessindia.org.in] On
 Behalf
 Of bhawani shankar verma
 Sent: Saturday, September 13, 2014 7:28 AM
 To: AccessIndia: a list for discussing accessibility and issuesconcerning
 the disabled.
 Subject: Re: [AI] accessible captcha selution

 dear sheik, i tried the tool and it is taking the screen shot but could
 not
 get the text of that captcha. yes, in IRCTC, you have to face captcha at
 multiple stages. either you are signing up or signing in. while booking
 your

 tickets and ofcourse at the payment gateway. their web page interface is
 also worst for the screen reader users. however I always take a sighted
 assistance to book my ticket from IRCTC. otherwise i prefer a counter
 ticket.

 - Original Message -
 From: Sheik mohammedali shahid.se...@gmail.com
 To: AccessIndia: a list for discussing accessibility and
 issuesconcerning
 thedisabled. accessindia@accessindia.org.in
 Sent: Friday, September 12, 2014 9:53 PM
 Subject: Re: [AI] accessible captcha selution


 HI bhavani, I do not have my account at IRCTC. at least while signing up
 have we been asked to solve captcha?
 - Original Message -
 From: bhawani shankar verma bsvermad...@gmail.com
 To: AccessIndia: a list for discussing accessibility and
 issuesconcerning

 thedisabled. accessindia@accessindia.org.in
 Sent: Friday, September 12, 2014 8:24 PM
 Subject: Re: [AI] accessible captcha selution


 try to login IRCTC at your level and let me know. i can try it
 tomorrow.
 engaged with some other work.

 - Original Message -
 From: Sheik Mohammedali shahid.se...@gmail.com
 To: AccessIndia: a list for discussing accessibility and
 issuesconcerning thedisabled. accessindia@accessindia.org.in
 Sent: Friday, September 12, 2014 4:49 PM
 Subject: Re: [AI] accessible captcha selution


O no no no indeed result is not at all accurate.  you should focus on
that captcha where it announces like graphic captcha and you will get
accurate results.  and did you use FS convenient OCR by making it
 actual
size or fit to windows.


 - Original Message -
 From: bhawani shankar verma bsvermad...@gmail.com
 To: AccessIndia: a list for discussing accessibility and
 issuesconcerning thedisabled. accessindia@accessindia.org.in
 Sent: Friday, September 12, 2014 4:36 PM
 Subject: Re: [AI] accessible captcha selution

 Dear sheik, I opened IRCTC.CO.IN and tried this tool. the I run OCR
 on
 that png file with the maximised window and got following result.
 this result come on both command w and s.
 however, I could not solve the captcha.
 Microsoft
 Office Picture Manager
 File Edit View Picture Tools Help Type a question for help
 Shortcuts... 55% Edit Pictures... Auto Correct
 Date modified Type Size
 9/12/2014 4:27 PM PNG image 282 KB
 6/30/2014 3:22 PM File folder
 5/28/2013 12:08 PM File folder
 9/10/2014 4:58 PM File folder
 9/12/2014 3:33 PM File folder
 er 8/8/2013 1:14 PM File folder
 8/23/2011 5:32 PM File folder
 er 2014 8/7/2014 3:28 PM File folder
 en Size: 281
 Date created: 9/1
 11 Zoom:

 -Original Message-
 From: Sheik Mohammedali
 Sent: Friday, September 12, 2014 3:56 PM
 To: AccessIndia: a list for discussing accessibility and
 issuesconcerning thedisabled.
 Subject: Re: [AI] accessible captcha selution

 you mean to say after the installation? or while executing the file
 itself.
 and kindly do not forget to run it as an administrator if you are
 using

 win
 seven or eight..
 - Original Message -
 From: bhawani shankar verma bsvermad...@gmail.com
 To: AccessIndia: a list for discussing accessibility and
 issuesconcerning
 thedisabled. accessindia@accessindia.org.in
 Sent: Friday, September 12, 2014 3:35 PM
 Subject: Re: [AI] accessible captcha selution


 dear sheik, as 

Re: [AI] audio device not working

[Umesha S E]

Sir I did not understand the following lines.
Not just to get acquainted with it, but more importantly to find out
the performance of your audio and wi fi devices with that and check if
a driver update helps there instead.

one more thing regarding driver compatibility. lenovo has hosted the
drivers on its site for windows xp. doesnt it justify our claim that
those drivers should be compatible with the operating system for which
they are said to be so and function correctly?

Umesha

On 11/26/11, prateek aggarwal prateekagarwa...@gmail.com wrote:
 Dear umesha,
 Right, so the root cause for the issue has been pinpointed.
 Believe it or not,  people using atheros wi fi adapters are some of
 the most frequent complainants of such types of cases.
 Athero is cheaper than some of its major competitors, hence many
 companies are preferring their hardware in their machines.

 The wiggly red lines that you are seeing  are definetly because of the
 high latency that its  experiencing.
 Technically, that means that the wi fi adapter is taking more
 resources than it should actually take.
 in regards of solutions,
 there does  not seem a complete rectification of this problem, however
 driver update can  be of some help.
 Try updating the drivers for your athero’s wi fi device  and see if it
 makes a difference.
 As per  my recent observation,   athero has not been  updating their
 drivers for windows xp and most of their latest drivers claims to work
 well with vista or windows 7.
 However, its worth keeping yours to the latest possible, of course the
 one that’s compatible with your operating system.

 If that doesn’t work, try reaching to lenovo technical support  and
 telling them the problem.
 You basically have to inquire if its possible to change the hardware
 under your sales term.
 It has been seen that these companies have made their legal policies
 smart enough to save themselves from any possible hazard. Especially
 in the case  of devices and their compatibility with various operating
 system.
 Someone on the thread has said that a dos based machine  means that
 its compatible with any operating system, but I remind of a judgement
 given in united states sometime back where it was said that a dos
 based machine means that the company has not particularly tested the
 machine with different operating systems, hence it would not be
 responsible for any hardware compatibility issues.
 Legally, whole claim for the compatibility is being smartly averted to
 the device manufacturers.

 Though you’ve  been condemning to use windows7,  but I would still
 like to advice  that  please give it a try at least.
 Not just to get acquainted with it, but more importantly to find out
 the performance of your audio and wi fi devices with that and check if
 a driver update helps there instead.
 For your information,  windows 7 has an  xp mode, which pretty much
 brings  your old days back.
 Also, there are other  fantastic programs  like classic shell etc
 which restores your xp experience to quite an extent.

 Like it or not, not all the latest devices have enough support
 available  for windows xp now, and the reason  behind  this is
 Microsoft policies where they have deliberately promoted vista and
 windows7 over xp from past few years.
 It has been already announced  that the support for windows xp would
 no longer be available after 2014, so I personally find this a wise
 decision to upgrade the OS, specially if its causing issues to make
 compatibility with latest hardware devices.
 Oh and some of you guys   have written to me off the list to ask my
 contact number.
 Those would like to get in touch with me through phone would like to note,
 its:
 +91-9928341197.

 Hope this helps.

 Regards,
 Prateek agarwal.
 Managing Director,
 Daedal technovations pvt. Ltd.
 www.daedaltechnovations.com

 website:
 www.prateekagarwal.webs.com
 |
 www.prateekagarwal.tk


 On 11/24/11, Umesha S E umesha@gmail.com wrote:
 Dear Salman and others,
 Sorry for the delay. Yesterday I was completely involved in testing
 process. So could not reply.  I could find the source of the problem.
 Now we have to work out for the permanent solution. Following is the
 result. But I din’t understand your previous message. 2 days ago, you
 said that you bought your laptop only 3 days earlier. But in the last
 message you said that you restored your machine to November 15th. How
 is it possible? Is your system clock not correct?

 To prateek aggarwal,
 Yes sir. It is due to Audio latency.  I downloaded DPC Latency Checker
 from the following link:
 http://www.thesycon.de/deu/latency_check.shtml
 When I first ran it on the system, I got all the red bars on the graph
 even while there is no sound problem. The latency was varying for
 every 2-3 seconds from about 2500 micro seconds to 12500 or 13500
 micro seconds. While the sound problem was present, the bars touched
 the sealing of the chart. The latency was recorded in the range of
 15

Re: [AI] audio device not working

[Umesha S E]

Hi shona man,
I don’t think that BIOS update can be reverted. Just because of the
fact that you have a restore point for that time, it cannot be
concluded that it can be done. As per my knowledge, system restore
creates a point whenever there is a change to system files. But BIOS
is stored in the rom chip mounted on the motherboard. The BIOS update
program might have made some changes to some system files in addition
to changing BIOS information. The following pages uphold my statement.
http://www.ehow.com/how_7415054_uninstall-bios-update.html
http://forum.notebookreview.com/toshiba/306148-remove-bios-update.html

Any way it seems when you restored your system, it is likely that your
wifi driver might have gone. So please check after installing the wifi
driver whether the problem re-appears or not. Also check using that
latency checker I mentioned in my previous mail. If you get the same
red bars (2000 micro seconds and above), or you get the same sound
distortion problem, it is certain that your machine also has that
latency problem. If that is the case, we shall together complain
against lenovo. Even if you do not use wifi now, it should work
properly as you have paid your hard earned money for that device also.
You may need it at some times in future. Please get back after testing
your machine. Ideapad are the machines designed for multimedia. Hence
they should support streaming media and should be free from latency
problem.
Hello all the list members, I request all of you who are using lenovo
ideapad laptops to make the above test of your machine. If any of you
get the same problem, get back to the list so that we shall together
fight for it.

Dear prateek aggarwal ji,
Please provide your knowledgeable suggestions on what best can we do
next for this problem.

Umesha

On 11/25/11, Shona Man shonam...@gmail.com wrote:
 I think you can uninstall bios by restoring if you remember when it
 was installed, or while restoring it will show that at which date u
 installed bios update software. But now u explained and found that why
 this problem is being occured, then solution is to be found of wifi
 connection. I also have lenovo but since I did not install the wifi
 driver.
 I will install it then I will share the experiences too. If it is then
 we will complain to the higher authorities of lenovo on their len care
 helpline through their mail or on their spesific number 18004254.

 On 11/24/11, Salman Raafay salmanraa...@gmail.com wrote:
 I will install the win xp sp 3 and see the result, meanwhile I asked
 my couson to arrange for me win 7 too. If this problem will interept
 me again then I will go to win 7. I am really worried.

 On 11/24/11, Salman Raafay salmanraa...@gmail.com wrote:
 Ya sir u r right 2, or 3 days I told u in general, but my laptop was
 perchased actually on 13 but it was not with me my cousin did
 everything, like installing the windows. I got my laptop in my hands
 latter and used for two or three days regularly. But sir till now its
 working normaly after so restoring.
 But I am mentally prepared to face this challange any time..

 On 11/24/11, Umesha S E umesha@gmail.com wrote:
 Dear Salman and others,
 Sorry for the delay. Yesterday I was completely involved in testing
 process. So could not reply.  I could find the source of the problem.
 Now we have to work out for the permanent solution. Following is the
 result. But I din’t understand your previous message. 2 days ago, you
 said that you bought your laptop only 3 days earlier. But in the last
 message you said that you restored your machine to November 15th. How
 is it possible? Is your system clock not correct?

 To prateek aggarwal,
 Yes sir. It is due to Audio latency.  I downloaded DPC Latency Checker
 from the following link:
 http://www.thesycon.de/deu/latency_check.shtml
 When I first ran it on the system, I got all the red bars on the graph
 even while there is no sound problem. The latency was varying for
 every 2-3 seconds from about 2500 micro seconds to 12500 or 13500
 micro seconds. While the sound problem was present, the bars touched
 the sealing of the chart. The latency was recorded in the range of
 15 to 30 micro seconds. Some times it even went up to 70
 micro seconds. Surprisingly, even when I disabled my realtek
 soundcard, I got the red bars of same height. Next I suspected network
 cards. The moment I disabled my wifi card, it dropped to very low in
 the green region (125 micro seconds). If I re-enable the wifi card,
 the next second again I got the same red bars. One more thing I like
 to tell you, if I enable wifi device and turn on it using the switch
 provided on the laptop, it substantially drops but not to green
 region. Then I get alternating 2-3 yellow bars (about 1200 micro
 seconds) and 1 or 2 red bars (about 6300 micro seconds). The earlier
 observations are when wifi is enabled but switch is off. I also ran my
 computer for long time to find whether the problem appears

Re: [AI] audio device not working

[Umesha S E]

 is with the driver, ask atheros to strictly follow
Windows Device Driver Kit (DDK) documentation by the Microsoft and
immediately release the updated driver in compliance with the said
documentation and communicate the same to me.
If the problem is with the hardware, there are two possibilities.
1.  If the problem is a manufacturing defect, you have to give me a
replacement immediately.
2.  If it is the defect in product design itself, you have to get the
properly designed network cards from atheros and replace the existing
cards with the newly designed ones immediately. If that is not
possible in reasonable time, you have to give me the suitable
compensation.

Finally I want to tell you one thing, if you do not act positively
this time and follow that bad practice of closing the case one sidedly
without consulting me and solving the problem, I am certain to lodge a
complaint against you in the consumer court. Do not make a way for it.

Waiting for the positive response from you,
Umesha S. E.
Assistant Professor,
Department of Economics,
Tumkur University, Tumkur.
Ph: 9480662242”

Yours
Umesha



On 11/25/11, Vikas Kapoor dl.vi...@gmail.com wrote:
 That's perfectly fine but the companies should also come up with latest
 updates as the time demands and I suppose this has not been so smooth with
 many of the companies/Service Providers.
 Vikas Kapoor,
 MSN Id: dl_vi...@hotmail.com, YahooSkype Id: dl_vikas,
 Mobile: (+91) 9891098137.
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 Subject: Re: [AI] audio device not working


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Re: [AI] audio device not working

[Umesha S E]

Dear Salman and others,
Sorry for the delay. Yesterday I was completely involved in testing
process. So could not reply.  I could find the source of the problem.
Now we have to work out for the permanent solution. Following is the
result. But I din’t understand your previous message. 2 days ago, you
said that you bought your laptop only 3 days earlier. But in the last
message you said that you restored your machine to November 15th. How
is it possible? Is your system clock not correct?

To prateek aggarwal,
Yes sir. It is due to Audio latency.  I downloaded DPC Latency Checker
from the following link:
http://www.thesycon.de/deu/latency_check.shtml
When I first ran it on the system, I got all the red bars on the graph
even while there is no sound problem. The latency was varying for
every 2-3 seconds from about 2500 micro seconds to 12500 or 13500
micro seconds. While the sound problem was present, the bars touched
the sealing of the chart. The latency was recorded in the range of
15 to 30 micro seconds. Some times it even went up to 70
micro seconds. Surprisingly, even when I disabled my realtek
soundcard, I got the red bars of same height. Next I suspected network
cards. The moment I disabled my wifi card, it dropped to very low in
the green region (125 micro seconds). If I re-enable the wifi card,
the next second again I got the same red bars. One more thing I like
to tell you, if I enable wifi device and turn on it using the switch
provided on the laptop, it substantially drops but not to green
region. Then I get alternating 2-3 yellow bars (about 1200 micro
seconds) and 1 or 2 red bars (about 6300 micro seconds). The earlier
observations are when wifi is enabled but switch is off. I also ran my
computer for long time to find whether the problem appears after
disabling wifi and it ran without trouble for hours. So it is clear
that my atheros Wi-Fi card is causing it. Now please tell me sir, what
I have to do next for solving that wifi device problem. If you need, I
will provide the screen shots of the graphs obtained using DPC latency
checker.
Salman, as you know this problem does not occur continuously but it
comes and goes for some minutes. Hence I was testing it by running my
system for long time. So I could not reply in time. I did not install
SP3. But if you need it, its download page is
http://www.microsoft.com/download/en/confirmation.aspx?id=1260
The following links may also be of some use.
http://www.microsoft.com/download/en/details.aspx?displaylang=enid=24
http://support.microsoft.com/kb/936929

To shona man,
Out of curiosity, I want to know. Can we uninstall BIOS with system restore?
To Kiran Baug,
Do we have difference between Indian and US sites in terms of
downloads available for a model?

Umesha


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Re: [AI] audio device not working

[Umesha S E]

 the ram slots on some motherboard blocks
 the internal  air to pass, and starts producing system slowdown
 therefore.

 Audio latency:
 Some sound devices have the problem of audio latency, which make the
 delay or distortion happen.
 To check if any of your devices has the problem of audio latency, you
 can use any  one of the software applications made for this task.
 I prefer installing DPC Latency Checker, which is a small, free
 application that allows you to analyze the amount of latency in your
 system.
 Please search for “DPC Latency Checker” on google in order to download
 this, as I do not seem to remember the website at the moment.

 Bios update:
 You’ve already said,  bios update can bring some positive results, so
 going with that is not a bad idea.

 Virus:
 In many cases, simply the viruses, spiwares, malwares etc cause your
 system to stuck. Though you’ve already said that you’ve tried doing
 clean install of the operating system several times, but some viruses
 might be citting inside of your hard disk in drives other than the one
 you have your operating system, and causing the problem.
 Presuming that you might have already  tried scanning your system
 against viruses with a good antivirus software, try to do a clean
 sweep of your hard drive and then install the operating system and see
 if the issue still persists.
 Alternatively, install the operating system  in a different, external
 hard drive and boot your system with that to test if it’s the issue
 with this hard drive’s content only.
 I’m saying this specifically because you’ve already described that
 some engineers have tried  running the system with external hard disk
 and the results were pleasing.

 Operating system:
 Whatever hard that you try, sometimes the operating system that you’re
 using is not compatible with newer hardware devices.  If you’re sure
 that the problems that you’re facing occurs only with windows xp and
 not with win 7 or any other operating system, upgrading the OS is not
 a bad idea either.
 I’d like to ensure you that windows7 is a pretty wonderful operating
 system and you won’t find any specific problem with this.
 Most of the software venders have already made their applications
 compatible with win7, and many are making it so fast.
 If you are finding the problem with xp and not with win7, I’d advice
 you straight to upgrade, being  rigid will not serve you much fruitful
 stuff.

 Finally, as far as my experience goes,  every new thing that you try
 teaches you something, so rather getting frustrated, enjoy whatever
 option you try and It’ll surely allow you to learn something new.

 My apologies for such a lengthy email.  I just could not stop myself
 when I’ve started writing once.
 Hope that this will help some of you.

 Regards,
 Prateek agarwal.
 Managing Director,
 Daedal technovations pvt. Ltd.
 www.daedaltechnovations.com

 website:
 www.prateekagarwal.webs.com
 |
 www.prateekagarwal.tk



 -- Original message --
 From: Umesha S E umesha@gmail.com
 To: accessindia@accessindia.org.in
 Date: Sun, 20 Nov 2011 10:20:31 +0530
 Subject: Re: [AI] audio device not working
 Thanks shona man, sheik, sunil and others
 To shona man
 Before answering your questions, may I ask you one thing?
 May I have your phone number and preferred time of calling so that we
 can discuss directly? Because I need the solution very urgently as I
 need it for my classes and other works.
 I downloaded the drivers properly. The consumer support site has
 options for choosing model and OS. I selected my model (Z570) and
 windows XP. There is no option to choose between 32 bit and 64 bit
 versions of XP. In the next page after clicking on “continue”, I got
 the list of drivers and I downloaded all of them. In that list, that
 realtek audio driver is said to be for windows xp only. Its version is
 5.10.0.6267 and it is a 106 MB file and updated on 9-3-11. The URL of
 the download page is
 http://consumersupport.lenovo.com/in/en/driversdownloads/APR_Driver_List.aspx?CategoryID=307140OS=Windows%20XP
 Though I repeatedly tell them that I want win xp only, many people ask
 me to change my os to win7.
 I have already registered a complaint but not with the number you
 provided but on 180030029929. Shall I register once again with the
 number you provided? The engineer visited my site and checked by
 replacing the hard disk with one with win 7 installed on it. It ran
 smoothly for few minutes. He tried reinstalling the driver and it did
 not solve the problem.
 I don’t think that problem is with my OS because the same OS was
 running without any error on other machines with realtek audio.
 Now I am of the doubt whether fault is with hardware or driver. The
 engineer reported that its with driver after checking with win 7 for
 few minutes. Yesterday I downloaded and installed another driver from
 realtek site which is updated somewhere in October and it also had
 same problem. I don’t think realtek whose audio

Re: [AI] audio device not working

[Umesha S E]

salman and others,
now i have to prepare for today's classes and i will get back in the afternoon.
Umesha

On 11/23/11, Salman Raafay salmanraa...@gmail.com wrote:
 One more thing sir, as you have downloaded service pack 3, please let
 me know if the problem resolve afterwards. can u tell me from where u
 downloaded this service pack 3?

 On 11/23/11, Salman Raafay salmanraa...@gmail.com wrote:
 Hi Umesha sir as per our conversation I check the version of my
 windows its service pack 2. what happened in afternoon, I thought to
 restore my system to an erlier date, first of all I restored it to
 20th  of November, but even restoring it, the problem was still there,
 but again I restored the windows to 15th of november, my system took
 restart, since then till now it is working properly. I am unable to
 understand that whats the problem, I think its not the permanent
 solution, we will have to do something to tackle this issue. I have
 registered the complaint to technical team hope they will visit me,
 but what they can do if they are having such profile. If the issue
 will not be resolved I am thinking to go to consumer court as one of
 my friend is an advocate. I am raising this point here because of the
 fact on the basis of suggestion made by technical team, they told me
 that with windows 7 it work fine, I argued with them since the machine
 came with free dos, it is apparent that machine should be compatible
 with any os and it should run with all versions of windows. Lets see
 what happens.

 On 11/23/11, Srikanth Kanuri srili...@gmail.com wrote:
 hi, check this. might be of some use:

 http://drivers.downloadatoz.com/tutorial/22581,windows-xp-sp2-audio-problem-fix-it-for-lenove-g460-laptop.html

 On 11/22/11, Umesha S E umesha@gmail.com wrote:
 Good evening friends,
 Due to my ill health and heavy load in the work place, I was not able
 to reply to this thread. My problem is not yet solved. In fact I was
 not been able to try some of the possible solutions suggested. But any
 way, thanks to all of you. But friends, please provide your phone
 numbers so that we can contact and interact directly. Because I am
 running out of my time and not been able to reply to the suggestions
 and seek clarifications. My mobile number is 9480662242 and any one
 can ring me at any time regarding the issue except from 8 AM to 1 PM
 (class hours). I am not against windows 7 but I do not have needed
 time for migrating to it. I also want to tell you one thing, the
 lenovo technical team has closed my case and sent me a message to
 inform the same without solving the problem. What a worst kind of
 service!

 To shona man,
 I want to tell you one thing, that engineer was a junior and a trainee
 and myself I explained many things to him. Yes I have given up the
 idea of upgrading bios. But tell me one thing, bios is a firmware
 update. Can we uninstall that with system restore which seems to be
 software maintenance tool?

 To prateek aggarwal,
 You need not apologize for the lengthy mail because it was informative
 and such things are necessary to give clear ideas in order to solve
 these difficult problems. Thank you for the info that I am not the
 only person facing it. But let it help me in getting the right
 solution.
 I downloaded the proper drivers from lenovo site itself. The drivers
 are said to be compatible with XP. Moreover, I also downloaded the
 latest driver from realtek site which is updated only one month ago. I
 am currently running win XP SP2. Now I have to check with SP3 which is
 the latest service pack for XP. Should I install any other patch in
 addition to SP3?
 Yes it may be the result of a wrong soundcard circuitries since I have
 onboard soundcard. But I think its expensive to buy an extra sound
 card only to test this issue.
 RAM: I have 4GB of RAM which is a single chip. So no way can I remove
 one chip in order to test. Also, being a visually impaired its
 difficult for me to open the case and do all those checkups.
 Audio latency: I have downloaded DPC Latency Checker and I have to
 test my machine with it. Due to problems I mentioned earlier, I am not
 been able to do all those things in time. But I have one doubt about
 it, if I disable my sound device, its more likely to show no latency.
 But then what would be the solution since I cannot work without sound
 device? Any way, it’s a good programme and I use it and get the
 results.
 BIOS: many people guard me against installing BIOS update. I am also
 skeptic about it because we cannot uninstall BIOS update once
 installed.
 Virus: no way it’s the virus effect. Because it’s a new machine and
 blank hard disk. It has nothing except OS, drivers, jaws and few audio
 files to check audio output. I have not even formatted drives other
 than system drive.
 Win 7:
 I am not against win7. But I need time learn and adjust to interface
 and also to change the versions of my applications to suit with new OS
 which I do not have now. Even I have

Re: [AI] audio device not working

[Umesha S E]

Configuration of my machine is as follows;
intel core i5-2430 cpu with 2.4 GHz
4 GB DDR3 1333 MHz RAM
750 GB 5400rpm HDD
Tray load DVD RW
Realtek HD audio
Free DOS
Bluetooth 2.1 /
Camera 2.0M / HDMI /
Card Reader / Numpad
15.6 HD LED Glare / Gun Metal Grey / NVidia N12P-GV1 DDR31GB Graphics
Black 6Cell 2.2A
1 yr Warranty
I did not install bios update driver. But now I am thinking of
installing it in the hope of solving the problem.
The audio driver has been reinstalled many times without any good result.
I don't think reinstalling windows wioll solve this as it was
installed properly.
All the audio programs are not working properly. Both JAWS and windows
media player have the same problem.
Thanks
Umesha
On 11/19/11, Shona Man shonam...@gmail.com wrote:
 ya u can try to reinstall the audio driver, otherwise the last
 solution may be reinstalling ur windows. Is any other audio program is
 working fine?

 On 11/19/11, sunil sunilsangtan...@gmail.com wrote:
 only one solution  as far as my knollege goes,  try to find  the
 updated  audio driver  for your laptop.
 though, xp was more easier  to use, but 7 is also very accessible and
 manageable.

 On 11/18/11, Umesha S E umesha@gmail.com wrote:
 Hi shona man,
 I also purchased a lenovo laptop. the model i bought is ideapad Z570
 59 307654. but my audio device is not working properly. after starting
 the windows, it works fine for few minuts. after that, the sound gets
 struck and due to that, some noicy br sound is heard from with
 every sound output. jaws does not run even for 2 minuts. this also
 causes slow performance of the overall system process. no workable
 solution has been obtained even from technical support team. it works
 fine with windows 7. they tell me to switch to windows 7. but i do not
 want to go for windows 7 now. do you have any solution or idea for
 this problem?
 experiences, ideas and solutions from other fellow list members is
 also welcomed and respectfully appreciated.

 yours
 Umesha

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Re: [AI] audio device not working

[Umesha S E]

But where can I find updated drivers other than Lenovo site? I am
having the problem of finding different versions of all my
applications and changing all my configurations and JAWs scripts.
Umesha

On 11/19/11, sunil sunilsangtan...@gmail.com wrote:
 only one solution  as far as my knollege goes,  try to find  the
 updated  audio driver  for your laptop.
 though, xp was more easier  to use, but 7 is also very accessible and
 manageable.

 On 11/18/11, Umesha S E umesha@gmail.com wrote:
 Hi shona man,
 I also purchased a lenovo laptop. the model i bought is ideapad Z570
 59 307654. but my audio device is not working properly. after starting
 the windows, it works fine for few minuts. after that, the sound gets
 struck and due to that, some noicy br sound is heard from with
 every sound output. jaws does not run even for 2 minuts. this also
 causes slow performance of the overall system process. no workable
 solution has been obtained even from technical support team. it works
 fine with windows 7. they tell me to switch to windows 7. but i do not
 want to go for windows 7 now. do you have any solution or idea for
 this problem?
 experiences, ideas and solutions from other fellow list members is
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Re: [AI] audio device not working

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Thanks shona man, sheik, sunil and others
To shona man
Before answering your questions, may I ask you one thing?
May I have your phone number and preferred time of calling so that we
can discuss directly? Because I need the solution very urgently as I
need it for my classes and other works.
I downloaded the drivers properly. The consumer support site has
options for choosing model and OS. I selected my model (Z570) and
windows XP. There is no option to choose between 32 bit and 64 bit
versions of XP. In the next page after clicking on “continue”, I got
the list of drivers and I downloaded all of them. In that list, that
realtek audio driver is said to be for windows xp only. Its version is
5.10.0.6267 and it is a 106 MB file and updated on 9-3-11. The URL of
the download page is
http://consumersupport.lenovo.com/in/en/driversdownloads/APR_Driver_List.aspx?CategoryID=307140OS=Windows%20XP
Though I repeatedly tell them that I want win xp only, many people ask
me to change my os to win7.
I have already registered a complaint but not with the number you
provided but on 180030029929. Shall I register once again with the
number you provided? The engineer visited my site and checked by
replacing the hard disk with one with win 7 installed on it. It ran
smoothly for few minutes. He tried reinstalling the driver and it did
not solve the problem.
I don’t think that problem is with my OS because the same OS was
running without any error on other machines with realtek audio.
Now I am of the doubt whether fault is with hardware or driver. The
engineer reported that its with driver after checking with win 7 for
few minutes. Yesterday I downloaded and installed another driver from
realtek site which is updated somewhere in October and it also had
same problem. I don’t think realtek whose audio devices are sold so
widely has compatibility problem with win xp. Further even in win xp,
it runs smoothly for few minutes. Later it gets struck. Mostly running
for longer times like 40-50 minutes will cause it to happen. When it
occurs, all the processes get slower. Mouse pointer jumps instead of
moving smoothly. I don’t know about running win 7 for such longer
time. Some times it get corrected itself. Can these symptoms happen
with driver problems? Or is it a hardware (circuit) problem?
One more information I want to give: it has a nvidia graphic card for
which I have no driver for win xp. It was showing 5 items with yellow
question mark; one video device and 4 audio devices in device manager.
But disabling all of them either through device manager or BIOS did
not solve the problem.

To sheik:
I tried many times to call you but I did not get you.

Umesha


On 11/19/11, Shona Man shonam...@gmail.com wrote:
 Hi I think that you have not installed proper audio driver, can u tell
 me from where u found the audio driver program? make sure that u
 selected the correct audio driver from the lenovo website in consumer
 support section. Some of the driver are for 64 bit make sure u
 installed one which is compatible with Z570 and windows xp. Since the
 machine came with free dos then it is supposed to be run properly with
 each os. They cann't say that only win 7 will run properly. Ask the
 technical team to register ur complaint on 18004259003 and engeneer
 will visit the sight.
 But once again I will say that make sure about the driver which u installed.

 On 11/19/11, Sheik mohammedali shahid.se...@gmail.com wrote:
 Dear umesh, due to my health problem I could not respond you properly.
 Since i'm away from my computer, I could not fulfill your need.  Another
 onething is that, Bios upgradation has nothing to do with this issue since
 bios deals with the circuit/system devices.  Logically, it is an internal
 problem under your respective operating system (XP).


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[AI] audio device not working

[Umesha S E]

Hi shona man,
I also purchased a lenovo laptop. the model i bought is ideapad Z570
59 307654. but my audio device is not working properly. after starting
the windows, it works fine for few minuts. after that, the sound gets
struck and due to that, some noicy br sound is heard from with
every sound output. jaws does not run even for 2 minuts. this also
causes slow performance of the overall system process. no workable
solution has been obtained even from technical support team. it works
fine with windows 7. they tell me to switch to windows 7. but i do not
want to go for windows 7 now. do you have any solution or idea for
this problem?
experiences, ideas and solutions from other fellow list members is
also welcomed and respectfully appreciated.

yours
Umesha

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[AI] Lenovo experience

[Umesha S E]

Hi Shona Man,
I am also thinking of leaving dell and going for lenovo. As you said
in one of your earlier posts, you have about 15 days of experience of
Lenovo IdeaPad Z570 59 304317. So I want your experience of that
machine.
Also I have the following questions.
1.  Why did you drop the other 2 models that you chose earlier against
this model?
2.  Which operating system are you running? Is it windows XP
professional 32 bit sp2? Is the machine running comfortably this OS
without errors?
3.  Where did you get the drivers? Is it through the venders’ CD or
from the web site? If from the web, is it from lenovo site or other
site?
4.  Are all the devices like Ethernet, wifi, Bluetooth etc are working fine?
5.  Is the jaws functioning properly without any hurdle particularly
with video intercept?
6.  Approximately how many hours a day you use it? Does it get heated
after longer working time? I am asking this because one of the
representative from lenovo said me that these series machines cannot
work longer continuously and get heated. She suggested me to go to
thinkpad machines.
7.  How is your battery backup time? It is said that they can run only
2 hours max.
8.  What are the accessories that you got?

Experiences of other list members on lenovo is also welcomed.

Yours
Umesha

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[AI] urgently dell laptop drivers needed

[Umesha S E]

Hi friends,
it seems dell won't provide drivers for windows XP. can we get them
any whare? I need them for the model inspiron 15R N 5110. (U540509IN8)

Thank you
Umesha

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Re: [AI] windows 7 32-bit on 64-bit dell inspiron laptop

[Umesha S E]

Won’t the manufacturers supply the CDs of OS and drivers?

Umesha

On 11/2/11, Jaison Bellarmine jaisonay...@gmail.com wrote:
 Hai friends,
 if you have decided to go with 32 bit o s on 64 bit machine, take a back up
 off c drive. For when you are ready to use the 64 bit o s you can use it.
 For you have already paid for it.
 With regards
 Jaison Bellarmine-Original message-
 From: Subramani L
 Sent:  2011:11:02, 9:06  am
 To: accessindia@accessindia.org.in
 Subject: Re: [AI] windows 7 32-bit on 64-bit dell inspiron laptop


 Hai:

 I did exactly this in May. When my new Del InspireOn 14R came, it
 wouldn't work. I asked the dealer to remove W7 64 and install 32 bit.
 He did and everything has been fine since. 32 bit is recommended since
 certain programmes do not work as effectively in 64 as they do in 32.

 Subramani

 On 10/31/11, Pankaj Kwatra pankaj.kwa...@tecnovate.co.in wrote:
 Hello

 Go for 64 bit as 32 bit program can run on 64 bit processor and OS plus
 it can handle more random access memory.

 RGDS,

 Pankaj


 -Original Message-
 From: accessindia-boun...@accessindia.org.in
 [mailto:accessindia-boun...@accessindia.org.in] On Behalf Of Nitin
 Dhaware
 Sent: Monday, October 31, 2011 11:58 AM
 To: accessindia@accessindia.org.in
 Subject: Re: [AI] windows 7 32-bit on 64-bit dell inspiron laptop

 Hello Aditi,

 As per my knowledge, there is no drivers avelable for 32 bit OS for
 Dell inspiron so, you cannot install 32 bit OS in Dell inspiron 64 bit
 processor. About softwares, 32 bit softwares not worked with 64 bit
 OS. 64 bit OS required 64 bit softwares itself however, if you have
 licensed copy of Jaws then there is no problem to go with Dell
 inspiron.

 HTH

 With best regards,
 Nitin
 On 10/31/11, Aditi Shah aditi12...@yahoo.in wrote:
 Hello friends,
 I am willing to buy a dell inspiron laptop but a problem I am facing
 is that
 every model is having a pre-installed windows 7 64-bit operating
 system and
 I would prefer a 32-bit operating system for my daily use.
 So my question is that is it possible to install windows 7 32-bit
 operating
 system on a 64-bit processor laptop? If I go for a 64-bit O.S then
 would my
 32-bit softwares run on the same?
 please help me out with your opinions.
 thanks and regards
 aditi shah
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Re: [AI] windows 7 32-bit on 64-bit dell inspiron laptop

[Umesha S E]

Dell Vostro series laptops come with DOS and hence are 32 bit
machines. Isn’t it?

Umesha

On 10/31/11, Shona Man shonam...@gmail.com wrote:
 Hi friends, I have discussed already extensively upon this topic. I
 also thought to perchase Dell laptop but I dropped the idea just
 because of the dichotomy of 64 bit windows. Dell has stopped providing
 32 bit OS. Even with other manufacturers in neer future only 64 bit
 will be available as 32 bit is vanishing from the market.  Finally I
 perchased Lenovo machine with no operating system and I have installed
 xp upon it and I am enjoying with my all softwares which are easely
 supposed to run upon 32 bit platform. Its true that in future not so
 much applications will be available for 32 bit but till now we dont
 have various softwares which could be run on 64 bit platform due to
 various reasons. But one thing I want to asure that at least for next
 five years the softwares for supporting xp will be available. As still
 you can find various softwares which support to windows ME, and
 windows 2,000. Therefore till any solution is achieved with 64 bit
 prefer xp or 32 bit win 7.
 Its very right observation that may Dell would not supply drivers for
 32 bit since it has stopped that to supply with 32 bit. I recommend u
 to go for any machine which is having no OS and install xp upon it
 urself. I will not recommend u to pay for the window which u at the
 end of the day have to uninstall.

 On 10/31/11, Pankaj Kwatra pankaj.kwa...@tecnovate.co.in wrote:
 Hello

 Go for 64 bit as 32 bit program can run on 64 bit processor and OS plus
 it can handle more random access memory.

 RGDS,

 Pankaj


 -Original Message-
 From: accessindia-boun...@accessindia.org.in
 [mailto:accessindia-boun...@accessindia.org.in] On Behalf Of Nitin
 Dhaware
 Sent: Monday, October 31, 2011 11:58 AM
 To: accessindia@accessindia.org.in
 Subject: Re: [AI] windows 7 32-bit on 64-bit dell inspiron laptop

 Hello Aditi,

 As per my knowledge, there is no drivers avelable for 32 bit OS for
 Dell inspiron so, you cannot install 32 bit OS in Dell inspiron 64 bit
 processor. About softwares, 32 bit softwares not worked with 64 bit
 OS. 64 bit OS required 64 bit softwares itself however, if you have
 licensed copy of Jaws then there is no problem to go with Dell
 inspiron.

 HTH

 With best regards,
 Nitin
 On 10/31/11, Aditi Shah aditi12...@yahoo.in wrote:
 Hello friends,
 I am willing to buy a dell inspiron laptop but a problem I am facing
 is that
 every model is having a pre-installed windows 7 64-bit operating
 system and
 I would prefer a 32-bit operating system for my daily use.
 So my question is that is it possible to install windows 7 32-bit
 operating
 system on a 64-bit processor laptop? If I go for a 64-bit O.S then
 would my
 32-bit softwares run on the same?
 please help me out with your opinions.
 thanks and regards
 aditi shah
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