RE: [AI] Handling of cash?

[Yamuna Jivana Dasa (Yoganathan Khandoo)]

Braille won’t work on notes.

Notes are subject to degradation passing through so many hands. When they 
become even slightly softened, the dots would have significantly faded.

 

 

 

From: accessindia@accessindia.org.in [mailto:accessindia@accessindia.org.in] On 
Behalf Of UDIT Pandey
Sent: Tuesday, December 26, 2023 2:45 PM
To: accessindia@accessindia.org.in
Subject: Re: [AI] Handling of cash?

 

and,

here, we are talking about those people who have minimum education, and, have a 
minimum living. But, there in our country, India, we have mor visually 
challenged people who are not educated, and, even cannot afford any type of 
smartphone or these  vollets. What for them?

don't you all think, that, we should make a online petition. For RBI, so, that, 
they can print these notes in braile.

 

On Tue, 26 Dec 2023 at 14:41, UDIT Pandey mailto:udit52...@gmail.com> > wrote:

why? its not perfect?

 

On Tue, 26 Dec 2023 at 08:57, mailto:prashant...@gmail.com> > wrote:

This talking wallet is there in NAB Delhi. People in Delhi can check it and 
decide for themselves if it is useful for them. 
My opinion is that it is useful but not perfect. 

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From: accessindia@accessindia.org.in <mailto:accessindia@accessindia.org.in>  
mailto:accessindia@accessindia.org.in> > On 
Behalf Of Avichal Bhatnagar
Sent: Monday, December 25, 2023 10:45 PM
To: accessindia@accessindia.org.in <mailto:accessindia@accessindia.org.in> 
Subject: Re: [AI] Handling of cash?

The best option is to have a talking wallet.
Its a little expensive, but its worth as it'll be only a one time investment.
It costs around 5 thousand, and speaks the denominations the moment you touch a 
corner of the currency to it.
The best part is that it even tells you whether the currency is fake or not.
Hope it helps.
Thanks,
Avichal


On 12/21/23, avinash shahi mailto:shahi88avin...@gmail.com> > wrote:
> Hello
> MANI, (Mobile Aided Note Identifier ) App is an excellent innovation 
> of the Reserve Bank of India. Thousands of visually challenged people 
> in India use it. Please download it from GooglePlay or Apple Store. Rs 
> twenty coin and 5 Rupee coins can be easily identifiable by touch.
>
> On 12/21/23, Yamuna Jivana Dasa (Yoganathan Khandoo) 
> mailto:ykhan...@gmail.com> >
> wrote:
>> Dear friends,
>>
>> Can some of us who are totally blind share how you identify cash 
>> coins and notes? Particularly in situations where, let’s say you have 
>> to verify change you receive for the payment you just made in cash, 
>> let’s say to Amazon delivery guy?
>>
>>
>>
>> My first thought is that it would be nice to have a special kind of tray,
>> perhaps multi-layered, in which you have say 6 or 7 compartments for
>> coins,
>> and the same for notes. This way you simply keep denominations separately
>> for choosing when making payments yourself. But the challenge comes when
>> you
>> need to verify money someone gives you, let’s say as change Etc.
>>
>>
>>
>> Any thoughts will be appreciated.
>>
>>
>>
>> Yamuna Jivana dasa
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RE: [AI] How to know good brands and latest trends

[Yamuna Jivana Dasa (Yoganathan Khandoo)]

Amar,

I believe sighted people’s preferences change very quickly as they “view” 
things on-line. We cannot really keep up with our wives in that regard. Fact is 
we may even fail to realize how much we do not know by not seeing their world 
change as they daily feast their eyes through the various digital shopping 
world!

Personally I won’t try to chase up. If you can’t beat them, join them. “I want 
to get something you really like or need, so tell me and we’ll do this together 
for your birthday” is an example of how I would start that conversation.

 

YJd

 

From: accessindia@accessindia.org.in [mailto:accessindia@accessindia.org.in] On 
Behalf Of Amar Jain
Sent: Tuesday, December 26, 2023 10:53 AM
To: accessindia@accessindia.org.in
Cc: Pranav Lal 
Subject: Re: [AI] How to know good brands and latest trends

 

She does all sorts of shopping from brands be it online or offline including 
clothing. And I am on the other hand a kind of a person who has his outlets and 
brands fixed and don't like taking too much of pain to shop!

 

 

Yep-have been trying simpler things-as I know I can mess things up when it 
comes to all this :)

On 26/12/2023 08:25, Pranav Lal wrote:

Hi Amar,

 

MM hmm, this is a tricky one since you are dealing with useless audio and 
strange videos.

 

Does your wife do offline shopping or only online shopping?  My wife does both 
and one way to learn what to do is to go with her and keep track of the brands 
she shops.

 

Avoid online shopping since determining clothing sizes is hard. Each brand has 
its own size so a size 7 in brand x is different from a size 7 in brand y.

 

Come to think of it, how about gifting something that is easier like a  
staycation?

Pranav

 

From: accessindia@accessindia.org.in   
mailto:accessindia@accessindia.org.in> > On 
Behalf Of Amar Jain
Sent: Saturday, December 23, 2023 3:14 AM
To: accessindia@accessindia.org.in  
Subject: Re: [AI] How to know good brands and latest trends

 

Thanks Pranav. She primarily keeps track through social media and YouTube 
influencers both of which I am worst at. Thank you.

 

Get Outlook for iOS  

 


  _  


From: accessindia@accessindia.org.in   
mailto:accessindia@accessindia.org.in> > on 
behalf of Pranav Lal mailto:pranav@gmail.com> >
Sent: Friday, December 22, 2023 8:28 PM
To: accessindia@accessindia.org.in   
mailto:accessindia@accessindia.org.in> >
Subject: RE: [AI] How to know good brands and latest trends

 

Amar,

 

Each brand has its own influencers though watching their videos will usually 
not yield much useful information. How does your wife track her brands? Does 
she, for instance watch a lot of short videos???

 

Your favorite search engine of choice would yield you the top brands in 
whatever category of product you want. If it is clothing, look for seasonal 
collections. I think that brand is Tommy hillfigure. See 
https://tommyhilfiger.nnnow.com/

Pranav

From: accessindia@accessindia.org.in   
mailto:accessindia@accessindia.org.in> > On 
Behalf Of Amar Jain
Sent: Thursday, December 21, 2023 10:13 PM
To: accessindia@accessindia.org.in  
Subject: [AI] How to know good brands and latest trends

 

For those who know me, I am a pure desi guy. Love amazing food, travelling and 
people. So my brand choices or awareness of styles and trends is quite not 
matching young kids.

 

My wife on the other hand knows the ins and out of latest trends and brands 
like Louis Vuitton. Or middle range brands like Tommy something.

 

Just to be able to gift something well to her and to be able to relate with new 
trends what can I follow for girls and guys? YouTube influencers list for guys?

 

Regards,

Amar Jain

 

Get Outlook for iOS  

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RE: [AI] How to know good brands and latest trends

[Yamuna Jivana Dasa (Yoganathan Khandoo)]

May be y’all will find this strange, Amar and all on this thread, but here goes 
how I do it.

I usually don’t buy my wife gifts, and I don’t expect her to buy me gifts. 
Instead we express our desires to each other about what we desire to have, and 
we work together to get it.

This working together, planning towards each others needs I find even more 
rewarding because it’s a collective effort that is sustained for us both. Not 
only the day the gift comes is it a nice exchange. That exchange happens from 
the moment one of us says “I wish I could have this thing”. The moment the 
other partner says, ok, let’s save up for it, the chase begins to satisfy the 
spouce.

 

Anyway just my ways, each for his own, but just in case someone wants to 
consider this as an interesting addition to your nuptial fun with your sighted 
or even blind spouce, … 

 

 

From: accessindia@accessindia.org.in [mailto:accessindia@accessindia.org.in] On 
Behalf Of Pranav Lal
Sent: Tuesday, December 26, 2023 8:26 AM
To: accessindia@accessindia.org.in
Subject: RE: [AI] How to know good brands and latest trends

 

Hi Amar,

 

MM hmm, this is a tricky one since you are dealing with useless audio and 
strange videos. 

 

Does your wife do offline shopping or only online shopping?  My wife does both 
and one way to learn what to do is to go with her and keep track of the brands 
she shops. 

 

Avoid online shopping since determining clothing sizes is hard. Each brand has 
its own size so a size 7 in brand x is different from a size 7 in brand y.

 

Come to think of it, how about gifting something that is easier like a  
staycation?

Pranav

 

From: accessindia@accessindia.org.in   
mailto:accessindia@accessindia.org.in> > On 
Behalf Of Amar Jain
Sent: Saturday, December 23, 2023 3:14 AM
To: accessindia@accessindia.org.in  
Subject: Re: [AI] How to know good brands and latest trends

 

Thanks Pranav. She primarily keeps track through social media and YouTube 
influencers both of which I am worst at. Thank you.

 

Get Outlook for iOS  

 

  _  

From: accessindia@accessindia.org.in   
mailto:accessindia@accessindia.org.in> > on 
behalf of Pranav Lal mailto:pranav@gmail.com> >
Sent: Friday, December 22, 2023 8:28 PM
To: accessindia@accessindia.org.in   
mailto:accessindia@accessindia.org.in> >
Subject: RE: [AI] How to know good brands and latest trends

 

Amar,

 

Each brand has its own influencers though watching their videos will usually 
not yield much useful information. How does your wife track her brands? Does 
she, for instance watch a lot of short videos???

 

Your favorite search engine of choice would yield you the top brands in 
whatever category of product you want. If it is clothing, look for seasonal 
collections. I think that brand is Tommy hillfigure. See 
https://tommyhilfiger.nnnow.com/

Pranav

From: accessindia@accessindia.org.in   
mailto:accessindia@accessindia.org.in> > On 
Behalf Of Amar Jain
Sent: Thursday, December 21, 2023 10:13 PM
To: accessindia@accessindia.org.in  
Subject: [AI] How to know good brands and latest trends

 

For those who know me, I am a pure desi guy. Love amazing food, travelling and 
people. So my brand choices or awareness of styles and trends is quite not 
matching young kids.

 

My wife on the other hand knows the ins and out of latest trends and brands 
like Louis Vuitton. Or middle range brands like Tommy something.

 

Just to be able to gift something well to her and to be able to relate with new 
trends what can I follow for girls and guys? YouTube influencers list for guys?

 

Regards,

Amar Jain

 

Get Outlook for iOS  

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RE: [AI] Handling of cash?

[Yamuna Jivana Dasa (Yoganathan Khandoo)]

Are you serious! Something like that exists?
Where to find one? Does it support Indian currency? What if the currency 
changes form, does it allow updating of currency specifications via some sort 
of flash memory or something?


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From: accessindia@accessindia.org.in [mailto:accessindia@accessindia.org.in] On 
Behalf Of Avichal Bhatnagar
Sent: Monday, December 25, 2023 10:45 PM
To: accessindia@accessindia.org.in
Subject: Re: [AI] Handling of cash?

The best option is to have a talking wallet.
Its a little expensive, but its worth as it'll be only a one time investment.
It costs around 5 thousand, and speaks the denominations the moment you touch a 
corner of the currency to it.
The best part is that it even tells you whether the currency is fake or not.
Hope it helps.
Thanks,
Avichal


On 12/21/23, avinash shahi  wrote:
> Hello
> MANI, (Mobile Aided Note Identifier ) App is an excellent innovation 
> of the Reserve Bank of India. Thousands of visually challenged people 
> in India use it. Please download it from GooglePlay or Apple Store. Rs 
> twenty coin and 5 Rupee coins can be easily identifiable by touch.
>
> On 12/21/23, Yamuna Jivana Dasa (Yoganathan Khandoo) 
> 
> wrote:
>> Dear friends,
>>
>> Can some of us who are totally blind share how you identify cash 
>> coins and notes? Particularly in situations where, let’s say you have 
>> to verify change you receive for the payment you just made in cash, 
>> let’s say to Amazon delivery guy?
>>
>>
>>
>> My first thought is that it would be nice to have a special kind of tray,
>> perhaps multi-layered, in which you have say 6 or 7 compartments for
>> coins,
>> and the same for notes. This way you simply keep denominations separately
>> for choosing when making payments yourself. But the challenge comes when
>> you
>> need to verify money someone gives you, let’s say as change Etc.
>>
>>
>>
>> Any thoughts will be appreciated.
>>
>>
>>
>> Yamuna Jivana dasa
>>
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RE: [AI] Using whatsup app on windows

[Yamuna Jivana Dasa (Yoganathan Khandoo)]

Hi,
If I remember correctly support for Whatsapp App only starts with Jaws 2022 or 
2023.
If that's what you have you don't have to do anything else.
Open Whatsapp and you can immediately hit Jaws key plus H to hear the shortcuts 
available. Or you could arrow down the latest chats, or type in the name of 
someone then arrow down to the nearest hits. When you press enter you're 
immediately at the edit field to type to that person. Alt H takes you to the 
messages of that chat so you can arrow through them. Alt C returns you to your 
original list of chats. Use Jaws key plus H to learn about more cool features 
like making an audio call, recording voice messages Etc while you are in a 
chat. And if you don't want to learn the shortcuts, tab and shift-tab also gets 
you to those buttons or controls.
Hope this hehlps.

YJd
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From: accessindia@accessindia.org.in [mailto:accessindia@accessindia.org.in] On 
Behalf Of Avi Das
Sent: Saturday, December 23, 2023 10:41 PM
To: accessindia@accessindia.org.in
Subject: [AI] Using whatsup app on windows

Dear all,
Can somebody provide a guide on using whatsup app on windows pc with Jaws?
Thankx
Avi?

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[AI] Handling of cash?

[Yamuna Jivana Dasa (Yoganathan Khandoo)]

Dear friends,

Can some of us who are totally blind share how you identify cash coins and 
notes? Particularly in situations where, let’s say you have to verify change 
you receive for the payment you just made in cash, let’s say to Amazon delivery 
guy?

 

My first thought is that it would be nice to have a special kind of tray, 
perhaps multi-layered, in which you have say 6 or 7 compartments for coins, and 
the same for notes. This way you simply keep denominations separately for 
choosing when making payments yourself. But the challenge comes when you need 
to verify money someone gives you, let’s say as change Etc.

 

Any thoughts will be appreciated.

 

Yamuna Jivana dasa

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[AI] UDID related questions

[Yamuna Jivana Dasa (Yoganathan Khandoo)]

Hi friends,
A few questions if y'all don't mind:

1. I've been hearing about two things: UDID, and disability certificate. From 
the context of discussions it appears they are not the same thing. In that case:
1.1. Why two separate documents are necessary to prove disability?
1.2. Which of the two is most important?
1.3. Can you get one without the other?

2. Now that I have Aadhaar card, what is my next most important step towards 
legal recognition of disability and inclusion in India? What is the procedure 
to follow that step?
3. From former discussions here it appears the whole country is not on the same 
page as central Government, so that some states rebel from Central Government 
regulation. For example there was talk of West Bengal not accepting UDID 
procedure or some sort. I'm in Mathura Vrindavana. Is there any 
location-specific context I should be aware of here?

Thanks friends.

Yamuna Jivana dasa

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From: accessindia@accessindia.org.in [mailto:accessindia@accessindia.org.in] On 
Behalf Of Vaibhav Bhandari
Sent: Thursday, December 14, 2023 11:16 PM
To: accessindia@accessindia.org.in
Subject: Re: Here's a formal letter (was RE: [AI] Singnature required for 
banking facilities?)

Yamuna,
the part where you've quoted from Section 2(1)(A), it is not in the 1st July 
master circular; it is from the 1st October 2018 master circular.

On 12/14/23, Yamuna Jivana Dasa (Yoganathan Khandoo)  wrote:
> The consultant hardly speaks English. Still, I’ll send it off and hope 
> for the best. Thanks.
>
>
>
> From: accessindia@accessindia.org.in 
> [mailto:accessindia@accessindia.org.in]
> On Behalf Of Rahul Bhatia
> Sent: Thursday, December 14, 2023 9:39 PM
> To: AccessIndia 
> Subject: Re: Here's a formal letter (was RE: [AI] Singnature required 
> for banking facilities?)
>
>
>
> Better to send in english only
>
>
>
> On Thu, 14 Dec, 2023, 9:28 pm Yamuna Jivana Dasa (Yoganathan Khandoo), 
> mailto:ykhan...@gmail.com> > wrote:
>
> Hi Rahul,
>
> Thanks for this feedback. Is the Hindi translation  done decently 
> well? If you can confirm this I’m ready to send off the mail. This 
> will be my first sort-of activist action in India! Quite nervous.
>
>
>
> Yamuna Jivana dasa
>
>
>
> From: accessindia@accessindia.org.in 
> <mailto:accessindia@accessindia.org.in>
>  [mailto:accessindia@accessindia.org.in
> <mailto:accessindia@accessindia.org.in> ] On Behalf Of Rahul Bhatia
> Sent: Thursday, December 14, 2023 7:32 PM
> To: AccessIndia  <mailto:accessindia@accessindia.org.in> >
> Subject: Re: Here's a formal letter (was RE: [AI] Singnature required 
> for banking facilities?)
>
>
>
> Well written. Lets take it forward
>
>
>
> On Thu, 14 Dec, 2023, 5:17 pm Yamuna Jivana Dasa (Yoganathan Khandoo), 
> mailto:ykhan...@gmail.com> > wrote:
>
> Hi Rahul and all on this thread,
>
>
>
> I have drafted a letter to the bank official here at ICICI which I 
> plan to send. First I would appreciate if you could look through the 
> letter to see if it makes sense in the context of legal or 
> professional style letters in the Indian context. Don’t be confused 
> about my name: I used my legal birth documents name in the letter. 
> Also please see if the translation into Hindi which follows after the 
> English, makes sense – the translation was done by Google translate.
>
>
>
> Any suggestions to change please feel free to let me know. The letter 
> is below. Thanks.
>
> Yamuna Jivana dasa
>
>
>
> Please note for your convenience this letter is translated to Hindi 
> script after the English below, using Google Translate.
>
> Dear Shashanki,
>
>
>
> This is Yoganathan Khandoo, your NRI account holder blind customer 
> formerly from South Africa. I opened my account along with my wife 
> Sherry Ann Khandoo. I trust you are well.
>
>
>
> As I have been living in Vrindavan for over a year, I now wish to 
> close my NRI account and convert to local account. I also now have 
> acquired Aadhaar card to facilitate this process.
>
>
>
> Before doing this, I wish to clarify that for my local account I wish 
> to use my own fingerprint to sign all account opening documents. 
> Previously when we opened my NRI account it was suggested by you that 
> my wife must sign all my documents. I have since learnt that as per 
> RBI guidelines, people who cannot use pen signatures such as the 
> blind, illiterate or dyslectic may use an alternate form of signature 
> including fingerprint signatures. I wish to avail of this option only 
> to assert my dignity of independence as a differently abled 
> individual. It places me as a male authority over my own family, 
> affording me the 

RE: Here's a formal letter (was RE: [AI] Signature required for banking facilities?)

[Yamuna Jivana Dasa (Yoganathan Khandoo)]

Wow Vaibhav, you are observant really - you caught that one - good catch!
Fortunately I linked to the correct circular, but I should have linked to the 
paragraph as a "this page link" specifically like so:

https://www.rbi.org.in/Scripts/BS_ViewMasCirculardetails.aspx?id=9862#9

Any way too late - I already sent it yesterday, but they are probably not as 
efficient as you are to catch the mistake!  But let's hope they are 
scared enough that a blind person is not usually some couch potato who can take 
anything one throws at us. I think the worse thing people do with persons with 
disabilities is to relegate us to the status of living entity with lower 
consciousness, much like animals, even if they do not realize they are doing 
it. In fact I know people who do this even though they do it in a kind-hearted 
way, much like a child will take good care of a bird in a cage.
And as usual I digress.

Yamuna Jivana dasa

-Original Message-
From: accessindia@accessindia.org.in [mailto:accessindia@accessindia.org.in] On 
Behalf Of Vaibhav Bhandari
Sent: Thursday, December 14, 2023 11:16 PM
To: accessindia@accessindia.org.in
Subject: Re: Here's a formal letter (was RE: [AI] Singnature required for 
banking facilities?)

Yamuna,
the part where you've quoted from Section 2(1)(A), it is not in the 1st July 
master circular; it is from the 1st October 2018 master circular.

On 12/14/23, Yamuna Jivana Dasa (Yoganathan Khandoo)  wrote:
> The consultant hardly speaks English. Still, I’ll send it off and hope 
> for the best. Thanks.
>
>
>
> From: accessindia@accessindia.org.in 
> [mailto:accessindia@accessindia.org.in]
> On Behalf Of Rahul Bhatia
> Sent: Thursday, December 14, 2023 9:39 PM
> To: AccessIndia 
> Subject: Re: Here's a formal letter (was RE: [AI] Singnature required 
> for banking facilities?)
>
>
>
> Better to send in english only
>
>
>
> On Thu, 14 Dec, 2023, 9:28 pm Yamuna Jivana Dasa (Yoganathan Khandoo), 
> mailto:ykhan...@gmail.com> > wrote:
>
> Hi Rahul,
>
> Thanks for this feedback. Is the Hindi translation  done decently 
> well? If you can confirm this I’m ready to send off the mail. This 
> will be my first sort-of activist action in India! Quite nervous.
>
>
>
> Yamuna Jivana dasa
>
>
>
> From: accessindia@accessindia.org.in 
> <mailto:accessindia@accessindia.org.in>
>  [mailto:accessindia@accessindia.org.in
> <mailto:accessindia@accessindia.org.in> ] On Behalf Of Rahul Bhatia
> Sent: Thursday, December 14, 2023 7:32 PM
> To: AccessIndia  <mailto:accessindia@accessindia.org.in> >
> Subject: Re: Here's a formal letter (was RE: [AI] Singnature required 
> for banking facilities?)
>
>
>
> Well written. Lets take it forward
>
>
>
> On Thu, 14 Dec, 2023, 5:17 pm Yamuna Jivana Dasa (Yoganathan Khandoo), 
> mailto:ykhan...@gmail.com> > wrote:
>
> Hi Rahul and all on this thread,
>
>
>
> I have drafted a letter to the bank official here at ICICI which I 
> plan to send. First I would appreciate if you could look through the 
> letter to see if it makes sense in the context of legal or 
> professional style letters in the Indian context. Don’t be confused 
> about my name: I used my legal birth documents name in the letter. 
> Also please see if the translation into Hindi which follows after the 
> English, makes sense – the translation was done by Google translate.
>
>
>
> Any suggestions to change please feel free to let me know. The letter 
> is below. Thanks.
>
> Yamuna Jivana dasa
>
>
>
> Please note for your convenience this letter is translated to Hindi 
> script after the English below, using Google Translate.
>
> Dear Shashanki,
>
>
>
> This is Yoganathan Khandoo, your NRI account holder blind customer 
> formerly from South Africa. I opened my account along with my wife 
> Sherry Ann Khandoo. I trust you are well.
>
>
>
> As I have been living in Vrindavan for over a year, I now wish to 
> close my NRI account and convert to local account. I also now have 
> acquired Aadhaar card to facilitate this process.
>
>
>
> Before doing this, I wish to clarify that for my local account I wish 
> to use my own fingerprint to sign all account opening documents. 
> Previously when we opened my NRI account it was suggested by you that 
> my wife must sign all my documents. I have since learnt that as per 
> RBI guidelines, people who cannot use pen signatures such as the 
> blind, illiterate or dyslectic may use an alternate form of signature 
> including fingerprint signatures. I wish to avail of this option only 
> to assert my dignity of independence as a differently abled 
> individual. It places me as a male authority over my own family, 
> affordi

RE: Here's a formal letter (was RE: [AI] Singnature required for banking facilities?)

[Yamuna Jivana Dasa (Yoganathan Khandoo)]

The consultant hardly speaks English. Still, I’ll send it off and hope for the 
best. Thanks.

 

From: accessindia@accessindia.org.in [mailto:accessindia@accessindia.org.in] On 
Behalf Of Rahul Bhatia
Sent: Thursday, December 14, 2023 9:39 PM
To: AccessIndia 
Subject: Re: Here's a formal letter (was RE: [AI] Singnature required for 
banking facilities?)

 

Better to send in english only 

 

On Thu, 14 Dec, 2023, 9:28 pm Yamuna Jivana Dasa (Yoganathan Khandoo), 
mailto:ykhan...@gmail.com> > wrote:

Hi Rahul,

Thanks for this feedback. Is the Hindi translation  done decently well? If you 
can confirm this I’m ready to send off the mail. This will be my first sort-of 
activist action in India! Quite nervous.

 

Yamuna Jivana dasa

 

From: accessindia@accessindia.org.in <mailto:accessindia@accessindia.org.in>  
[mailto:accessindia@accessindia.org.in <mailto:accessindia@accessindia.org.in> 
] On Behalf Of Rahul Bhatia
Sent: Thursday, December 14, 2023 7:32 PM
To: AccessIndia mailto:accessindia@accessindia.org.in> >
Subject: Re: Here's a formal letter (was RE: [AI] Singnature required for 
banking facilities?)

 

Well written. Lets take it forward 

 

On Thu, 14 Dec, 2023, 5:17 pm Yamuna Jivana Dasa (Yoganathan Khandoo), 
mailto:ykhan...@gmail.com> > wrote:

Hi Rahul and all on this thread,

 

I have drafted a letter to the bank official here at ICICI which I plan to 
send. First I would appreciate if you could look through the letter to see if 
it makes sense in the context of legal or professional style letters in the 
Indian context. Don’t be confused about my name: I used my legal birth 
documents name in the letter. Also please see if the translation into Hindi 
which follows after the English, makes sense – the translation was done by 
Google translate.

 

Any suggestions to change please feel free to let me know. The letter is below. 
Thanks.

Yamuna Jivana dasa

 

Please note for your convenience this letter is translated to Hindi script 
after the English below, using Google Translate.

Dear Shashanki,

 

This is Yoganathan Khandoo, your NRI account holder blind customer formerly 
from South Africa. I opened my account along with my wife Sherry Ann Khandoo. I 
trust you are well.

 

As I have been living in Vrindavan for over a year, I now wish to close my NRI 
account and convert to local account. I also now have acquired Aadhaar card to 
facilitate this process.

 

Before doing this, I wish to clarify that for my local account I wish to use my 
own fingerprint to sign all account opening documents. Previously when we 
opened my NRI account it was suggested by you that my wife must sign all my 
documents. I have since learnt that as per RBI guidelines, people who cannot 
use pen signatures such as the blind, illiterate or dyslectic may use an 
alternate form of signature including fingerprint signatures. I wish to avail 
of this option only to assert my dignity of independence as a differently abled 
individual. It places me as a male authority over my own family, affording me 
the right to exercise my own choice and in terms of human rights afforded by 
Indian legislation which I choose to avail of. For me it is a question of 
dignity, wherein I stand in support of people with disabilities at large.

 

In support of my own case, please find the following National legislation and 
RBI Banking circular references for your information:

 

1.   Paragraph 9 and 10 of RBI Master circular on customer service in Banks 
dated 1st July 2015:

section 2(1)(A):

iv) If a Blind / visually challenged person is illiterate, or literate but 
unable to sign uniformly, his thumb impression should be obtained as a rule on 
the account opening form, pay-in slips and the withdrawal order forms and all 
the other precautions prescribed for the opening and conduct of accounts of 
illiterate depositors will be followed.

v) However, if a Blind / visually challenged person is literate and he is in a 
position to sign uniformly, he may put his signature on the account opening 
form, pay-in slips and the withdrawal order forms.

 

Please see:

https://www.rbi.org.in/Scripts/BS_ViewMasCirculardetails.aspx?id=9862

 

2. Banking facilities for senior citizens and differently abled persons dated 
9th November 2017:

3.7: Wherever thumb or toe impression of the old/sick pensioner is obtained, it 
should be identified by two independent witnesses known to the bank, one of 
whom should be a responsible bank official. 

 


Please find the “BANKING ON ACCESSIBILITY” document attached.


 

Kindly discuss all of the above with your branch manager Ravinder Singh and 
provide me with feedback as soon as possible.

 

Thank you.

 

Yoganathan Khandoo

प्रिय शशांकी,

यह योगनाथन खंडू है, आपका एनआरआई खाताधारक नेत्रहीन ग्राहक जो पहले दक्षिण अफ्रीका 
का रहने वाला था। मैंने अपनी पत्नी शेरी एन खंडू के साथ अपना खाता खोला। आशा है के 
तुम ठीक हो।

 

चूँकि मैं एक वर्ष से अधिक समय से वृन्दावन में 

RE: Here's a formal letter (was RE: [AI] Singnature required for banking facilities?)

[Yamuna Jivana Dasa (Yoganathan Khandoo)]

Hi Rahul,

Thanks for this feedback. Is the Hindi translation  done decently well? If you 
can confirm this I’m ready to send off the mail. This will be my first sort-of 
activist action in India! Quite nervous.

 

Yamuna Jivana dasa

 

From: accessindia@accessindia.org.in [mailto:accessindia@accessindia.org.in] On 
Behalf Of Rahul Bhatia
Sent: Thursday, December 14, 2023 7:32 PM
To: AccessIndia 
Subject: Re: Here's a formal letter (was RE: [AI] Singnature required for 
banking facilities?)

 

Well written. Lets take it forward 

 

On Thu, 14 Dec, 2023, 5:17 pm Yamuna Jivana Dasa (Yoganathan Khandoo), 
mailto:ykhan...@gmail.com> > wrote:

Hi Rahul and all on this thread,

 

I have drafted a letter to the bank official here at ICICI which I plan to 
send. First I would appreciate if you could look through the letter to see if 
it makes sense in the context of legal or professional style letters in the 
Indian context. Don’t be confused about my name: I used my legal birth 
documents name in the letter. Also please see if the translation into Hindi 
which follows after the English, makes sense – the translation was done by 
Google translate.

 

Any suggestions to change please feel free to let me know. The letter is below. 
Thanks.

Yamuna Jivana dasa

 

Please note for your convenience this letter is translated to Hindi script 
after the English below, using Google Translate.

Dear Shashanki,

 

This is Yoganathan Khandoo, your NRI account holder blind customer formerly 
from South Africa. I opened my account along with my wife Sherry Ann Khandoo. I 
trust you are well.

 

As I have been living in Vrindavan for over a year, I now wish to close my NRI 
account and convert to local account. I also now have acquired Aadhaar card to 
facilitate this process.

 

Before doing this, I wish to clarify that for my local account I wish to use my 
own fingerprint to sign all account opening documents. Previously when we 
opened my NRI account it was suggested by you that my wife must sign all my 
documents. I have since learnt that as per RBI guidelines, people who cannot 
use pen signatures such as the blind, illiterate or dyslectic may use an 
alternate form of signature including fingerprint signatures. I wish to avail 
of this option only to assert my dignity of independence as a differently abled 
individual. It places me as a male authority over my own family, affording me 
the right to exercise my own choice and in terms of human rights afforded by 
Indian legislation which I choose to avail of. For me it is a question of 
dignity, wherein I stand in support of people with disabilities at large.

 

In support of my own case, please find the following National legislation and 
RBI Banking circular references for your information:

 

1.   Paragraph 9 and 10 of RBI Master circular on customer service in Banks 
dated 1st July 2015:

section 2(1)(A):

iv) If a Blind / visually challenged person is illiterate, or literate but 
unable to sign uniformly, his thumb impression should be obtained as a rule on 
the account opening form, pay-in slips and the withdrawal order forms and all 
the other precautions prescribed for the opening and conduct of accounts of 
illiterate depositors will be followed.

v) However, if a Blind / visually challenged person is literate and he is in a 
position to sign uniformly, he may put his signature on the account opening 
form, pay-in slips and the withdrawal order forms.

 

Please see:

https://www.rbi.org.in/Scripts/BS_ViewMasCirculardetails.aspx?id=9862

 

2. Banking facilities for senior citizens and differently abled persons dated 
9th November 2017:

3.7: Wherever thumb or toe impression of the old/sick pensioner is obtained, it 
should be identified by two independent witnesses known to the bank, one of 
whom should be a responsible bank official. 

 


Please find the “BANKING ON ACCESSIBILITY” document attached.


 

Kindly discuss all of the above with your branch manager Ravinder Singh and 
provide me with feedback as soon as possible.

 

Thank you.

 

Yoganathan Khandoo

प्रिय शशांकी,

यह योगनाथन खंडू है, आपका एनआरआई खाताधारक नेत्रहीन ग्राहक जो पहले दक्षिण अफ्रीका 
का रहने वाला था। मैंने अपनी पत्नी शेरी एन खंडू के साथ अपना खाता खोला। आशा है के 
तुम ठीक हो।

 

चूँकि मैं एक वर्ष से अधिक समय से वृन्दावन में रह रहा हूँ, अब मैं अपना एनआरआई 
खाता बंद करना चाहता हूँ और स्थानीय खाते में परिवर्तित होना चाहता हूँ। इस 
प्रक्रिया को सुविधाजनक बनाने के लिए मैंने अब आधार कार्ड भी हासिल कर लिया है।

 

ऐसा करने से पहले, मैं स्पष्ट करना चाहता हूं कि अपने स्थानीय खाते के लिए मैं सभी 
खाता खोलने वाले दस्तावेजों पर हस्ताक्षर करने के लिए अपने फिंगरप्रिंट का उपयोग 
करना चाहता हूं। पहले जब हमने अपना एनआरआई खाता खोला था तो आपने सुझाव दिया था कि 
मेरी पत्नी को मेरे सभी दस्तावेजों पर हस्ताक्षर करने होंगे। तब से मुझे पता चला 
है कि आरबीआई दिशानिर्देशों के अनुसार, जो लोग अंधे, अनपढ़ या विकलांग लोगों जैसे 
पेन हस्ताक्षर का उपयोग नहीं कर सकते हैं, वे फिंगरप्रिंट हस्ताक्ष

Here's a formal letter (was RE: [AI] Singnature required for banking facilities?)

[Yamuna Jivana Dasa (Yoganathan Khandoo)]

 सर्कुलर दिनांक 1 जुलाई 2015 का 
पैराग्राफ 9 और 10:

धारा 2(1)(ए):

iv) यदि कोई नेत्रहीन / दृष्टिबाधित व्यक्ति अनपढ़ है, या साक्षर है लेकिन समान 
रूप से हस्ताक्षर करने में असमर्थ है, तो उसके अंगूठे का निशान खाता खोलने के 
फॉर्म, पे-इन स्लिप और निकासी आदेश फॉर्म और निर्धारित अन्य सभी सावधानियों पर 
नियम के रूप में लिया जाना चाहिए। निरक्षर जमाकर्ताओं के खाते खोलने एवं संचालन 
हेतु नियमों का पालन किया जायेगा।

v) हालाँकि, यदि कोई नेत्रहीन/दृष्टिबाधित व्यक्ति साक्षर है और वह समान रूप से 
हस्ताक्षर करने की स्थिति में है, तो वह खाता खोलने के फॉर्म, पे-इन स्लिप और 
निकासी आदेश फॉर्म पर अपने हस्ताक्षर कर सकता है।

 

कृपया देखें:

https://www.rbi.org.in/Scripts/BS_ViewMasCircululardetails.aspx?id=9862

 

2. वरिष्ठ नागरिकों और दिव्यांग व्यक्तियों के लिए बैंकिंग सुविधाएं दिनांक 9 
नवंबर 2017:

3.7: जहां भी बूढ़े/बीमार पेंशनभोगी के अंगूठे या पैर की अंगुली का निशान प्राप्त 
किया जाता है, उसकी पहचान बैंक के ज्ञात दो स्वतंत्र गवाहों द्वारा की जानी चाहिए, 
जिनमें से एक जिम्मेदार बैंक अधिकारी होना चाहिए।

 

कृपया संलग्न "बैंकिंग ऑन एक्सेसिबिलिटी" दस्तावेज़ ढूंढें।

 

कृपया अपने शाखा प्रबंधक रविंदर सिंह के साथ उपरोक्त सभी पर चर्चा करें और मुझे 
यथाशीघ्र प्रतिक्रिया प्रदान करें।

 

धन्यवाद।

 

योगनाथन खांडू

 

From: accessindia@accessindia.org.in [mailto:accessindia@accessindia.org.in] On 
Behalf Of Rahul Bhatia
Sent: Wednesday, December 13, 2023 6:46 PM
To: AccessIndia 
Subject: Re: [AI] Singnature required for banking facilities?

 

Kindly meet branch manager of vrindavan and tell him RBI guidelines if a person 
can sign then they should allow you to sign with own . And as you aadhar card 
generated now now you can apply for disability certificate and UDID i remember 
we spoke regarding last time. 

 

On Wed, 13 Dec, 2023, 5:20 pm Yamuna Jivana Dasa (Yoganathan Khandoo), 
mailto:ykhan...@gmail.com> > wrote:

Dear friends,
When I signed up for my ICICI NRI bank account, the official here in Vrindavan 
branch refused to allow me to sign, she insisted my wife will sign on my behalf 
for the account opening documents.
Now that I have Aadhaar card, I am entitled to a local bank account. I will be 
going to the same branch to convert my account from NRI to local bank account. 
However in doing so, I would like to sign my own bank account opening documents 
for the local account using my thumb impression. From past experience I know 
she will not allow me to do so, unless she is educated about rights of people 
with disabilities in terms of banking legislation.
I have the name and phone number of the banking official, as well as the name 
of the branch manager. Is there someone on this list preferably with some 
banking authority, who could speak to her prior to my visit? She knows English 
but I believe not too well. Please contact me if someone here can help. I 
hesitate to send the banking official's contact info on this public list.
Thanks friends. I will be grateful for any help.

Kind regards,

Yamuna Jivana dasa



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RE: [AI] Singnature required for banking facilities?

[Yamuna Jivana Dasa (Yoganathan Khandoo)]

Dear friends,
When I signed up for my ICICI NRI bank account, the official here in Vrindavan 
branch refused to allow me to sign, she insisted my wife will sign on my behalf 
for the account opening documents.
Now that I have Aadhaar card, I am entitled to a local bank account. I will be 
going to the same branch to convert my account from NRI to local bank account. 
However in doing so, I would like to sign my own bank account opening documents 
for the local account using my thumb impression. From past experience I know 
she will not allow me to do so, unless she is educated about rights of people 
with disabilities in terms of banking legislation.
I have the name and phone number of the banking official, as well as the name 
of the branch manager. Is there someone on this list preferably with some 
banking authority, who could speak to her prior to my visit? She knows English 
but I believe not too well. Please contact me if someone here can help. I 
hesitate to send the banking official's contact info on this public list.
Thanks friends. I will be grateful for any help.

Kind regards,

Yamuna Jivana dasa



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RE: [AI] Singnature required for banking facilities?

[Yamuna Jivana Dasa (Yoganathan Khandoo)]

It's wonderful that you had good results with your friend. Each small win is a 
big win for the whole blind community. We must celebrate each others' success 
by feeling glad in our hearts for each other's success against discrimination. 
The legal people among us will have better luck if we keep one heart as a blind 
community, because collective consciousness helps collective goals, even on a 
subtle level.

God be with us all.


-Original Message-
From: accessindia@accessindia.org.in [mailto:accessindia@accessindia.org.in] On 
Behalf Of BHAWANI SHANKAR VERMA
Sent: Saturday, December 9, 2023 6:07 PM
To: accessindia@accessindia.org.in
Subject: Re: [AI] Singnature required for banking facilities?

you are right sir, but what to do, without any document, if you will approach 
to the higher authority, they will try to deny, that there is no such 
application received. I had encountered the same while helping out one of my 
completely blind friend. later I told hhim to give a loan application with the 
quotation and fill all the details to purchase car and let the bank deny. but, 
finally they have sanctioned and disbursed the loan.


On 12/9/2023 11:33 AM, Yamuna Jivana Dasa (Yoganathan Khandoo) wrote:
> Yes that's excellent advice I did not realize is possible here - apply 
> electronically and have them reject it that way on record. Brilliant. Still, 
> thereafter you need to have somewhere to take that evidence to who can hold 
> them accountable anyway, and without you giving an arm and a leg to 
> accomplish.
>
> I've learnt the hard way that while I might get excited about collecting 
> evidence, often the channels we have don't really care about justice. That 
> happened when I lost my job at First National Bank in South Africa. They 
> first appeared to innocently rename my role as back-office assistant by first 
> narrowing it down to switchboard operator, then revoking that as a bank 
> function which gives way to IVR systems.
> I recorded my exit interview which proved they were only box-ticking past 
> accessibility requirements. Still, I could not fight because they had money 
> and power and I had none.
>
> -Original Message-
> From: accessindia@accessindia.org.in 
> [mailto:accessindia@accessindia.org.in] On Behalf Of BHAWANI SHANKAR 
> VERMA
> Sent: Saturday, December 9, 2023 10:33 AM
> To: accessindia@accessindia.org.in
> Subject: Re: [AI] Singnature required for banking facilities?
>
> Apply for banking facility you want on their prescribed format, and let them 
> deny. you can ask them to reject your application on writing.
>
>
> On 12/9/2023 9:43 AM, Yamuna Jivana Dasa (Yoganathan Khandoo) wrote:
>> You know these front-office staff will never comply and give a written 
>> letter stating such. They are not under obligation to provide such a letter 
>> and so they won't in the name of having the next client to see. It's not a 
>> useful dynamic. Better to get the name of the person and officials here 
>> might be able to take it on. Good luck.
>>
>>
>> -Original Message-
>> From: accessindia@accessindia.org.in 
>> [mailto:accessindia@accessindia.org.in] On Behalf Of BHAWANI SHANKAR 
>> VERMA
>> Sent: Saturday, December 9, 2023 7:16 AM
>> To: accessindia@accessindia.org.in
>> Subject: Re: [AI] Singnature required for banking facilities?
>>
>> demand a written reply for denial of banking services on the basis of thumb 
>> impression.
>>
>>
>> On 12/8/2023 11:49 PM, Vaibhav Bhandari wrote:
>>> Good Evening Everyone,
>>> Just a few months ago, I had gone to an SBI branch to try to open my 
>>> account and they told me that thumb print would not be accepted for 
>>> opening the bank account and availing facilities like debit card, 
>>> internet banking, checkbook, etc., I would need to know how to sign 
>>> or else it would be clasified under some illiteracy clause. It's 
>>> necessary to understand here that I haven't any experience in 
>>> signing and hadn't required doing so until now. The helper that was 
>>> explaining me all this also said that they haven't even allowed 
>>> their visually impared employees to use internet banking because they 
>>> couldn't sign.
>>> So after returning, I tried doing some research, where in I found 
>>> that there is a consensus among the various sites that such 
>>> facilities cannot be denied to people with visual imparement just 
>>> because they cannot sign but I cannot find this written somewhere in 
>>> the banking rules. So, if someone could clarify this for me, it'd be 
>>> really helpful.
>>>

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RE: [AI] Singnature required for banking facilities?

[Yamuna Jivana Dasa (Yoganathan Khandoo)]

Yes that's excellent advice I did not realize is possible here - apply 
electronically and have them reject it that way on record. Brilliant. Still, 
thereafter you need to have somewhere to take that evidence to who can hold 
them accountable anyway, and without you giving an arm and a leg to accomplish.

I've learnt the hard way that while I might get excited about collecting 
evidence, often the channels we have don't really care about justice. That 
happened when I lost my job at First National Bank in South Africa. They first 
appeared to innocently rename my role as back-office assistant by first 
narrowing it down to switchboard operator, then revoking that as a bank 
function which gives way to IVR systems.
I recorded my exit interview which proved they were only box-ticking past 
accessibility requirements. Still, I could not fight because they had money and 
power and I had none.

-Original Message-
From: accessindia@accessindia.org.in [mailto:accessindia@accessindia.org.in] On 
Behalf Of BHAWANI SHANKAR VERMA
Sent: Saturday, December 9, 2023 10:33 AM
To: accessindia@accessindia.org.in
Subject: Re: [AI] Singnature required for banking facilities?

Apply for banking facility you want on their prescribed format, and let them 
deny. you can ask them to reject your application on writing.


On 12/9/2023 9:43 AM, Yamuna Jivana Dasa (Yoganathan Khandoo) wrote:
> You know these front-office staff will never comply and give a written letter 
> stating such. They are not under obligation to provide such a letter and so 
> they won't in the name of having the next client to see. It's not a useful 
> dynamic. Better to get the name of the person and officials here might be 
> able to take it on. Good luck.
>
>
> -Original Message-
> From: accessindia@accessindia.org.in [mailto:accessindia@accessindia.org.in] 
> On Behalf Of BHAWANI SHANKAR VERMA
> Sent: Saturday, December 9, 2023 7:16 AM
> To: accessindia@accessindia.org.in
> Subject: Re: [AI] Singnature required for banking facilities?
>
> demand a written reply for denial of banking services on the basis of thumb 
> impression.
>
>
> On 12/8/2023 11:49 PM, Vaibhav Bhandari wrote:
>> Good Evening Everyone,
>> Just a few months ago, I had gone to an SBI branch to try to open my
>> account and they told me that thumb print would not be accepted for
>> opening the bank account and availing facilities like debit card,
>> internet banking, checkbook, etc., I would need to know how to sign or
>> else it would be clasified under some illiteracy clause. It's
>> necessary to understand here that I haven't any experience in signing
>> and hadn't required doing so until now. The helper that was explaining
>> me all this also said that they haven't even allowed their visually
>> impared employees to use internet banking because they couldn't sign.
>> So after returning, I tried doing some research, where in I found that
>> there is a consensus among the various sites that such facilities
>> cannot be denied to people with visual imparement just because they
>> cannot sign but I cannot find this written somewhere in the banking
>> rules. So, if someone could clarify this for me, it'd be really
>> helpful.
>>

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Unusual reading access preferences (was RE: [AI] Scanners or cameras for large books OCR?)

[Yamuna Jivana Dasa (Yoganathan Khandoo)]

Hi Pranav,

Thanks for a lot of useful info here.
You asked which books I wish to read: Much of the books I look to read are not 
easily accessible for download, because they derive from platforms that 
challenge the status quo.
If I start here it wouldn't end, and Harish as our list moderator would be 
pressured to bark me off the list!
But just to give you an idea of the unusual kind of content I read not readily 
accessible:

Alternative treatment to diabetes or other health challenges which big pharma 
derides because it challenges their profit-model. Heard of Master Mineral 
Solution by Jim Humble? It's banned in the US but very amazing for over-all 
health. I use it and it keeps me very healthy otherwise. Can't find it in India.

The question of vaccines in general as a killer of the human race. Covid 
vaccines only tip the scale of a long history.

The attempt of the current globalist world-order to hide other civilizations 
from us by portraying our world as an isolated globe spinning in outer-space, 
when in fact it belongs to a multi-dimentional planetary-system 4 billion miles 
in diameter (this is the Vedic version rarely corroborated by explorers like 
the Norwegian Olaf Jensen from the 1800s who travelled far along the north pole 
to another civilization.

The denial of early aptitude-based educational system of the West which 
introduced undirected detailed topics into education which took influence even 
here in India which deliberately aims to dumb down our children into dosile 
consumers, and the global powers behind such a "Jack of all trades, master of 
none" as it happens in our high-schools.

The powers master-mining the globalist world-order expertly coordinated by the 
highest proponent, called Kali in the Vedic world-view, Iblis in Islam  or the 
devil in Christianity - who are these agents of that authority of this age? The 
Rothschild's are no accident in their influence!

Call me crazy if you will, but even the least thoughtful people in society 
these days will admit that something is seriously wrong with our civilization. 
The fact that this is true the world-over, from law enforcement to food to 
education and everything inbetween tells us there's more going on with money 
only as a temptation that meets the eye. Better have blind eyes if you won't 
see it! Pardon the pun for this list. And that keeps me right on-topic for this 
list! 

Still I'll admit that AI has reached fascinating levels of advancement, even 
for me to contemplate while having a technical proclivity and interest. The 
level at which it can appear to "understand difficult questions, research 
appropriately on it, "think" and respond thoughtfully is mind-blowing. GPT4 is 
now somewhat accessible via Bing BTW. Google's Bard has far more access to 
Google-based up-to-date content though.

Yes. My E-mail has poked into every fascet of life. That's my fickle mind that 
makes me so unpopular. Perhaps most people silently dislikes me for this - it 
does sadden the heart I'll admit. My eagerness to share things I know about may 
appear to be pride, arrogance Etc, but I honestly say it is none of that. I'm 
just passionate about things and have eagerness enough to keep me chattering 
about everything, unable to control my speech. This is a fault. The 
Bhakti-upadesamrta-sindhu by Rupa Goswami proposes that among other sensual 
controls, the limiting of one's speech to the essentials is a saintly quality 
that displays purity enough to influence the world towards spiritual pursuit. 
I've got a long way to go. But since I'm trying to practice spiritual life, I 
can only hope I touch others with some value with the things I have to say.

Anyway now you know why I would like to find dedicated ways to read printed 
texts.

Kind regards,
Yamuna Jivana dasa

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From: accessindia@accessindia.org.in [mailto:accessindia@accessindia.org.in] On 
Behalf Of Pranav Lal
Sent: Saturday, December 9, 2023 7:27 AM
To: accessindia@accessindia.org.in
Subject: RE: [AI] Scanners or cameras for large books OCR?

Hi Yamuna,

Camera scanners are quite good. Ditch the Kurzweil 1000.  There are add-ons for 
nvda that allow you to interface with scanners. Jaws does so natively I 
believe. 

You can still buy fineReader which is the best OCR in terms of accuracy. 

Having said all the above, have a chat with the SaralX sales team, NAB Delhi, 
the people at XRCVC,  who may have better ideas. 

I too have been looking for scanners that support at least a3 paper or cameras 
with a wide angle view. 

There are plenty of those around as well, some have been developed in India. 
For a4 text, phone cameras are enough. The tricky part though is mounting them 
and getting the lighting right. You can go for a dedicated phone scanner stand. 

What kinds of books do you want to read? I ask because at least for fiction, 
the majority of books are available on amazon kindle or are being sold by 
individual authors from their own 

My Thoughts on Screen-reader accessibility (was RE: [AI] Which is the best bank with regard to accessibility)

[Yamuna Jivana Dasa (Yoganathan Khandoo)]

Hi Folks,

It may be obvious to some but still worth noting from time to time:

Just because a website is accessible does not imply the company is 
accessibility friendly. It only means the developers happened to use standard 
controls and native off-screen models  in apps which screen-readers know how to 
navigate.

When they make modifications to the controls from their developer toolkit, then 
they leave the screen-reader unaware of such modifications. An example of this 
is ICICI Bank’s App. They have implemented multiple tabs, only the last of 
which is the main one we use for actual banking purposes called “Transact”. 
Talkback does not know it is an independently activatable item. Prudence 
somehow can see that it is.

 

There are two important keyplayers that need to participate in accessibility, 
the first of which is more important in my view:

1.   Screen-reader  developers. They need to keep adding newer standard 
control types into the screen-reader’s awareness portfolio. They also need to 
include newer off-screen models that gain in popularity. They have the most 
important part to play, failing which lobbiests for accessibility will have a 
harder time at pulling companies into conformity. If the screen-reader 
developer keeps up with the more popular components of the developer toolkit 
controls then, as we have already observed, interfaces of companies become 
accessible without even knowing or caring about accessibility. This is true for 
any screen-reader on any operating system, both computer or mobile devices.

2.The software developer. These guys are the hardest to reach by 
accessibility lobbyists. They function behind a money-focused corporate 
bureaucracy. Yet, if they break accessibility design simply by modifying 
interfaces for visual appeal without breaking accessibility, then the damage is 
done, and fixing the problem becomes a messy reach up the corporate ladder, 
often involving legal pressure to force decision-makers at the top to simply 
give the order. Often they simply don’t care because they don’t feel they have 
to. Arrogance can only be crushed under pressure and does not lend itself to 
mere good naturedness.

 

Even while knowing these things, for me to get involved is a disaster because I 
am the worse diplomat you can find. Even for my own needs I  have perhaps 
frustrated those in the position to help me by leaning too strongly on their 
support. I apologise for that, but in absence of good judgement for when or how 
to navigate difficult situations I tend to pressure too much those who might 
otherwise care. I offer a public apology to people like Amar Jain on this list 
whom I probably drove off the wall while struggling to get Aadhaar during an 
urgent need time of my life. Unfortunately my Aadhaar is now here, but, too 
good, too late. Such is life.

Anyway I digress as usual.

 

Kind regards,

 

Yamuna Jivana dasa

 

From: accessindia@accessindia.org.in [mailto:accessindia@accessindia.org.in] On 
Behalf Of Pranav Lal
Sent: Saturday, December 9, 2023 7:03 AM
To: accessindia@accessindia.org.in
Subject: RE: [AI] Which is the best bank with regard to accessibility

 

Hi,

 

The majority of HDFC Bank’s services are accessible.

 

I have not seen any explicit commitment to accessibility but as of this 
writing, I have not had a problem. Their newsletters though are primarily 
graphics based.

Pranav

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RE: [AI] Singnature required for banking facilities?

[Yamuna Jivana Dasa (Yoganathan Khandoo)]

You know these front-office staff will never comply and give a written letter 
stating such. They are not under obligation to provide such a letter and so 
they won't in the name of having the next client to see. It's not a useful 
dynamic. Better to get the name of the person and officials here might be able 
to take it on. Good luck.


-Original Message-
From: accessindia@accessindia.org.in [mailto:accessindia@accessindia.org.in] On 
Behalf Of BHAWANI SHANKAR VERMA
Sent: Saturday, December 9, 2023 7:16 AM
To: accessindia@accessindia.org.in
Subject: Re: [AI] Singnature required for banking facilities?

demand a written reply for denial of banking services on the basis of thumb 
impression.


On 12/8/2023 11:49 PM, Vaibhav Bhandari wrote:
> Good Evening Everyone,
> Just a few months ago, I had gone to an SBI branch to try to open my
> account and they told me that thumb print would not be accepted for
> opening the bank account and availing facilities like debit card,
> internet banking, checkbook, etc., I would need to know how to sign or
> else it would be clasified under some illiteracy clause. It's
> necessary to understand here that I haven't any experience in signing
> and hadn't required doing so until now. The helper that was explaining
> me all this also said that they haven't even allowed their visually
> impared employees to use internet banking because they couldn't sign.
> So after returning, I tried doing some research, where in I found that
> there is a consensus among the various sites that such facilities
> cannot be denied to people with visual imparement just because they
> cannot sign but I cannot find this written somewhere in the banking
> rules. So, if someone could clarify this for me, it'd be really
> helpful.
>

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[AI] Scanners or cameras for large books OCR?

[Yamuna Jivana Dasa (Yoganathan Khandoo)]

Hi friends,
I'm currently researching hardware options for reading large books as quickly 
as possible by processing text to OCR.
Is there a recommended option that can function under both Macs and Windows, 
and perhaps even from Android or IPhone?
Preferred is of course Macs and Windows platforms that the hardware can support.
I've come across Kurzweil 1000 and the Perl camera by Freedom Scientific.
I've got no idea how these would work. I wonder which is better?

When I was growing up and going to university in the 1990s, back then we had 
flat-bed scanners. You would place the page on the glass, making sure they are 
very straight, hold it down firmly at the book binding, and press the scan 
button on the computer software. The scanner would then take around 30 seconds 
to scan a page, and then the software will ask you to turn to the next page. 
The scanner used to be called Arkenstone and the software was Openbook. This 
means you take many days to scan a 300 page book, and by the end of it you are 
exhausted. At the end it would recognize the pages for some time, and the OCR 
results were reasonably good, provided the text was quality printing and no 
hand-writing.

Obviously things must have improved by now? Of course accuracy  of the OCR is 
also very important. I'm even thinking what if you could scan a computer 
screen, a bank card, and other non-book-page items?

Have the phone cameras become effective for us to use via software that can 
detect if the whole page is in focus, to guide the blind person to move the 
book so that all the text is displayed and not cut off Etc, before scanning? 
That sounds like it will take too much shuffling around. May be the dedicated 
hardware for the blind works better for us?

Sorry I'm thinking all over the page - I mean place, now!
And I'm also going down memory lane, excuse me. We used to have a device called 
an Opticon, which is a camera that you place on a page, and connected to 
another device which represents the shape of the letter under your index finger 
of the other hand, using tiny pins that slightly lift and vibrate to shape the 
letters that you can feel. So, with one hand you slowly move the camera around 
the page, and with the other hand index finger inserted into the Opticon 
device, you feel the shape of the representation change under your finger as 
you move the camera. It was quite a nice device for its time. Ah well. I'm 
getting old! What to do!

Any thoughts?

Kind regards,

Yamuna Jivana dasa

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From: accessindia@accessindia.org.in [mailto:accessindia@accessindia.org.in] On 
Behalf Of Saravanan K
Sent: Friday, December 8, 2023 12:31 PM
To: accessindia@accessindia.org.in
Subject: [AI] how to handle mouse oriented events in NVDA & JAWS

Dear Friends,

I hope you all are  fine.
In most of the websites, they are giving importance to mouse oriented events & 
tasks.
Because, it is easy to sited persons to use the mouse better than the keyboard.
They will simply move the mouse then click or double click or drag & drop 
efficiently & easily. using mouse for scrolling also  seems to be easier for 
them. Even slider movements also can be done easily with mouse.

But, In our case all of these things seems to be tricky. We have to struggle 
for handling these operations. Is it possible to handle these operations in a 
easier manner using our screen readers.
I want to know how to handle mouse oriented tasks or events using screen 
readers.
Can some one guide me in these matter.
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[AI] Talking ATMs in India, is this true?

[Yamuna Jivana Dasa (Yoganathan Khandoo)]

Hi friends,
Is it true that some banks have talking ATMs in India?
Are those really accessible? If so please can someone share more information on 
which banks offer this and how accessible the functions really are?
Mainly I need to do cash deposits. Is this possible without sighted help?

Thanks.
YJd

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Sent: Friday, December 8, 2023 12:31 PM
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Subject: [AI] how to handle mouse oriented events in NVDA & JAWS

Dear Friends,

I hope you all are  fine.
In most of the websites, they are giving importance to mouse oriented events & 
tasks.
Because, it is easy to sited persons to use the mouse better than the keyboard.
They will simply move the mouse then click or double click or drag & drop 
efficiently & easily. using mouse for scrolling also  seems to be easier for 
them. Even slider movements also can be done easily with mouse.

But, In our case all of these things seems to be tricky. We have to struggle 
for handling these operations. Is it possible to handle these operations in a 
easier manner using our screen readers.
I want to know how to handle mouse oriented tasks or events using screen 
readers.
Can some one guide me in these matter.
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RE: [AI] how to handle mouse oriented events in NVDA & JAWS

[Yamuna Jivana Dasa (Yoganathan Khandoo)]

Hi,

There are a few ways you can use the mouse, depending on what you need to do.
For example in Jaws you can use Jaws cursor (Numpad Minus in Desktop layout), 
then arrow keys to read the mouse position. These days lots of Apps do not use 
a standard form of screen-draw so it doesn't work, but in that case you can OCR 
the screen (Insert Space Bar, then O, then W), then arrow around to read the 
result of text recognized.

If you want to hear what is under the mouse as you move the physical mouse 
around, press Insert Space, then E, then O to turn on this function. Now just 
move the mouse and hear it speak. Sometimes works but sometimes depending on 
screen-draw you can also have problems, in that case use it in combination with 
OCR described above.

But I think what you are really asking about here is in a web browser with 
Virtual PC cursor (Jaws) or Browse mode (NVDA), sometimes you get different 
things popping up when the mouse is pointing to something on the display. For 
that you get the virtual cursor or browse mode onto the item you are interested 
in, then route the mouse pointer to it using Insert Numpad Minus (both 
screen-readers), then return to browse mode or virtual cursor. Now if you arrow 
around again you should hear the context of the item under the mouse.

Next year I'm seriously thinking of continuing teaching accessibility again. 
Anyone interested please write me outside of this list.
Click here to mail me directly on my E-mail address: ykhan...@gmail.com
I already have lots of students from South Africa so not sure how many I can 
accommodate further, but I'll be prioritizing on the order in which requests 
are received. Cost will be 500 Rands which is 2,000 Rupees per month. That's if 
I do proceed with this. My family are fighting for me to retire but I'll out of 
my passion if I do.

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Sent: Friday, December 8, 2023 12:31 PM
To: accessindia@accessindia.org.in
Subject: [AI] how to handle mouse oriented events in NVDA & JAWS

Dear Friends,

I hope you all are  fine.
In most of the websites, they are giving importance to mouse oriented events & 
tasks.
Because, it is easy to sited persons to use the mouse better than the keyboard.
They will simply move the mouse then click or double click or drag & drop 
efficiently & easily. using mouse for scrolling also  seems to be easier for 
them. Even slider movements also can be done easily with mouse.

But, In our case all of these things seems to be tricky. We have to struggle 
for handling these operations. Is it possible to handle these operations in a 
easier manner using our screen readers.
I want to know how to handle mouse oriented tasks or events using screen 
readers.
Can some one guide me in these matter.
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RE: [AI] Fwd: key board access to battery status and speakers buttons on Windos 11

[Yamuna Jivana Dasa (Yoganathan Khandoo)]

I'm not sure about Windows 11, but in Windows 10 use Insert Shift B to read 
battery and network status from Jaws or NVDA.
To adjust system volume press Start button with Windows key, type Sound Mixer 
and press enter. This should open the panel to make those adjustments.
Hope this helps.
 

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Sent: Monday, December 4, 2023 2:14 PM
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Subject: RE: [AI] Fwd: key board access to battery status and speakers buttons 
on Windos 11

Window + b will take you to that area and press tab for each butten like 
battery / network.
Asif


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Sent: Monday, December 4, 2023 1:49 PM
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Subject: [AI] Fwd: key board access to battery status and speakers buttons on 
Windos 11

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From: Niranjanraj Urs 
Date: Mon, 4 Dec 2023 13:42:03 +0530
Subject: key board access to battery status and speakers buttons on Windos 11
To: accessin...@org.in

Dear Friends,
Namasthee. can anyone on the list  advise me on short cut keys for knowing the 
battery status in the laptop and for changing the speaker volume. I was able to 
reach both the said buttons in Windos 10 using the tab key when the screen 
showed the desktop. I am unable to do the same on Windos 11. Can anyone help 
please Dr.B.Niranjan Raj Urs

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[AI] RE: NVDA versus Jaws [was AI] Regarding how to use WhatsApp in laptop)

[Yamuna Jivana Dasa (Yoganathan Khandoo)]

Hi, Wow! that is fantastic! Jaws for Whatsapp also has some shortcuts scripted 
for it, but not nearly half as many and useful as NVDA!

I suspect scripting for NVDA’s Add-ons are probably somewhat harder to do than 
Jaws scripting, and there is not yet an equivalent of HotSpotClicker for NVDA, 
but I won’t be surprised that some users could end up building such a front-end 
clicker, possibly even Jim Snowbarger himself!

Jaws users should start getting used to NVDA because I think Jaws with its 
business model cannot last under this level of competitiveness. NVDA is going 
to make Jaws redundant in only a few years from now. Just my prediction but I 
think it’s a fair one. Any thoughts?

We hope NVDA continues to remain freeware and I have vowed to donate even 
though in my tiny Rupees currency.

 

YJd

 

From: accessindia@accessindia.org.in [mailto:accessindia@accessindia.org.in] On 
Behalf Of BHAWANI SHANKAR VERMA
Sent: Sunday, December 3, 2023 9:25 PM
To: accessindia@accessindia.org.in
Subject: Re: [AI] Regarding how to use WhatsApp in laptop

 

here are keyboard shortcuts with NVDA screen reader:

Keyboard shortcuts:
• ALT+1: Move focus to chat list.
• ALT+2: Move focus to the last message in an open chat.
• ALT+D: Move the focus to the edit field. If the focus is already in the edit 
field, then after pressing the hotkey, it will move to where it was before.
• ALT+T: Announce the name and status of an open chat.
• ALT+shift+C: Make a voice call to a group or contact.
• ALT+shift+V: Make a video call to a contact or group.
• ALT+shift+Y: Accept call.
• ALT+shift+N: Decline an incoming call or leave the current call.
• ALT+A: Turn the microphone on/off.
• ALT+V: Turn video on/off.
• ALT+O: Press more options button.
• control+R: Record and send a voice message.
• control+D: Discard reply to a message or currently recorded voice message.
• control+shift+D: Pause/resume voice message recording.
• ALT+delete: Delete a message or chat.
• control+shift+P: Open current chat profile.
• control+shift+E: Toggles the feature that removes the reading of the user 
number in messages from users whose number is not saved in the contact list.
• ALT+S: Star message.
• ALT+F: Forward message.
• ALT+R: Reply to message.
• ALT+shift+R: Mark a chat as read.
• control+C: Copy the message if it contains text.
• ALT+C: Show message text in popup window.
• NVDA+control+W: Open WhatsAppPlus settings window.
• ALT+3: Move focus to "unread messages" label.
• control+shift+A: Press the attach file button.
• ALT+L: Enable automatic reading of new messages in the current chat.
• control+S: Increase/decrease the playback speed of voice messages.
• ALT+P: Play/pause a voice message that is playing.
• ALT+U: announce the current value of a progress bar. If pressed twice, turns 
on/off the automatic announcement of progress bars.
• control+space: Switch to selection mode.
• ALT+backspace: Edit message.

On 12/3/2023 9:08 PM, Raghavendra Raju wrote:

Dear access Indians this is Raghavendra Raju from Visakhapatnam I hope you are 
all doing well I have a query in using WhatsApp in laptop with shortcut keys 
however we are being using it in mobile what are the procedures to read 
messages in laptop from WhatsApp one by one in every chat is there any shortcut 
keys PDF available with anyone please kindly send it for me or if any YouTube 
tutorial is available in explanation of using WhatsApp it's screen reader nvda 
thank you with regards Raghavendra Raju teacher Netra vidyalaya

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[AI] Accessibility to activating Airtel's Value-added services like Disney HotStar and Amazon Prime Video

[Yamuna Jivana Dasa (Yoganathan Khandoo)]

Hi Friends,

Anyone knows of an alternate way of activating Airtel’s Value-added services 
like Amazon Prime and Disney Hotstar, where the Airtel Fibre plan supports it? 
To my knowledge the only way to do this is Airtel Thanks App, which as we know 
is inaccessible.

I tried logging into the Website at https://www.airtel.in/manage-account/ but 
there it only shows the main plan details for the services like Fibre and Sim 
plans. I cannot find for value-added services.

Or am I missing something?

 

Thanks.

Yamuna Jivana dasa

 

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Behalf Of Prashant Naik
Sent: Monday, November 27, 2023 10:31 PM
To: accessindia 
Subject: [AI] Article - Unleashing the Power of Large Language Models – A brief 
introduction

 

Dear List

 

Sharing a good read article by Saidarshan Bhagat discussing the history and 
functioning of Language Models like ChatGPT and BARD and accessibility w

Visit the link - 
https://www.linkedin.com/pulse/unleashing-power-large-language-models-brief-sai-bhagat-bm57f/

 

Thanks & Regards

Prashant Naik

 

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[AI] RE: Invitation for awareness session on g mail standard view with NVDA

[Yamuna Jivana Dasa (Yoganathan Khandoo)]

Hi,
Please advise: You say "We are offering this session free of charge" then you 
say "there is registration fee of 50 Rupees". If the offer is free, why do you 
need to charge for registration? The registration is done via Google or 
Microsoft Form, which does not cost money.
Thank you for considering my inquiry.

Kind regards,
Yamuna Jivana dasa


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Subject: Invitation for awareness session on g mail standard view with NVDA

Dear Friends,

I hope this message finds you well. As most of us are using Gmail for our email 
communication, we have found the basic HTML view in Gmail to be incredibly 
accessible to screen readers. This feature has greatly facilitated our email 
management, making the communication process smoother and more efficient.

However, we want to inform you about an upcoming change: Google plans to phase 
out the basic HTML view within the next couple of months. In light of this 
development, we are preparing ourselves to transition to the standard view in 
Gmail. The good news is that the standard view is also very accessible, and we 
can continue managing our emails with ease.

To assist everyone in adapting to this change, we are organizing an Awareness 
Session on Gmail Standard View with NVDA. This session will take place on 
Sunday, November 26, 2023, at 7:00 PM. During this one-hour session, we will 
focus on using the standard view in Gmail specifically with NVDA, the popular 
screen reader software.

Session Details:

Date: Sunday, November 26, 2023
Time: 7:00 PM
Duration: 1 Hour
Session Agenda:

Introduction to Gmail Standard View
Navigation and Features with NVDA
Tips and Tricks for Efficient Email Management Q Session This session aims to 
provide valuable insights and practical knowledge for NVDA users on Gmail. We 
are offering this session free of charge to ensure that everyone can benefit 
from it. To participate, all you need to do is enroll using the following link:

https://docs.google.com/forms/d/e/1FAIpQLSfGvuAwQ4vEd9cMB-jdiSa2rq_m8BtPLOJ9VSQ8OQSAMmHBaQ/viewform?usp=sf_link

Please note that there is a nominal enrollment fee of Rs. 50/- for 
registration. You can conveniently make the payment through Google Pay or 
PhonePe to the following number: 9916512402.

We will send you the session's joining link via email on Sunday around
5:00 PM, enabling you to join the session promptly at 7:00 PM.

Your active participation in this session is highly encouraged. It will not 
only enhance your Gmail experience but also empower you to navigate the digital 
world more effectively.

Thank you for your attention, and we look forward to seeing you at the session.

Warm regards,

Saravanan K

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RE: [AI] Inquiry with regards to bank accounts

[Yamuna Jivana Dasa (Yoganathan Khandoo)]

Hi, I cannot do that because I need AADHAAR card to convert to local account.
I am having so much problem getting AADHAAR card fixed. They wrote my Surname 
wrongly and although I have made Update Request number over and over again, 
they keep marking it as case resolved but fixing nothing. I have 10 or 11 URNs 
already repeating the same mess. As a blind person to get to Aadhaar Kendra 
centre every time is difficult logistically.
My friends of authority even from this list have become fed up with my case so 
that nobody feels inclined to help further. I don't blame them. Now even I am 
giving up: trusting in God's plan is superior to over-endeavour.
So I will have to stay with NRE/NRO account because local account means you 
need Aadhaar. Of course that is not desirable because tax is 30% of earned 
interest, what to speak of the requirement to give up NRE account for local 
after reasonable period of time, just not possible without Aadhaar. And no I am 
not returning to South Africa again except if my mother or sister passes away, 
and then I return to Vrindavana immediately after performing their final 
rights. This is my personal sankalpa. So I do not plan to leave India except 
for short periods in case of these emergencies.

Kind regards,

Yamuna Jivana dasa

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From: accessindia@accessindia.org.in [mailto:accessindia@accessindia.org.in] On 
Behalf Of Harshit Lohia
Sent: Sunday, November 19, 2023 9:13 AM
To: accessindia@accessindia.org.in
Subject: Re: [AI] Inquiry with regards to bank accounts

Hi,
As soon as you become non-resident as per provisions of FEMA, 1999 you should 
immidiately get your regular savings account converted into NR-O account as per 
extant law.

On 11/19/23, Harshit Lohia  wrote:
> Hi Sagar,
> NR-O account can be opened by non resident Indian if they have income 
> in India. Such income can be credited into this account. Even existing 
> savings account can be converted into NR-O account. However, there is 
> some restriction on repatriation of funds outside India though the 
> restriction limit is substantially high NR-E account can be opened by 
> non-resident Indians for their income earned outside India. They can 
> remit their overseas income into this account and repatriate the same 
> anytime without any restriction.
> Remember:
> 1. Both the accounts can be opened only in Indian currency 2. exchange 
> rate risk is borne by the account holder
>
> However, if you want to avoid exchange rate risk you can consider 
> opening FC-NR bank account. The catch is that this account can be 
> opened only in specified foreign currency and available only as fixed 
> deposit.
>
>
> Hope this helps
>
> Regards
> Harshit
>
> On 11/19/23, Yamuna Jivana Dasa (Yoganathan Khandoo) 
> 
> wrote:
>> Hi Sagar,
>>
>> I am also OCI holder and have opened NRE/NRO account for NRIs at 
>> ICICI Bank.
>>
>> The Web interface is accessible with screen-reader such as Jaws and NVDA.
>>
>> Without sighted help, I have used it to add payment recipients, make 
>> payments, view account balances, downloading detailed transaction 
>> history by specifying dates and other download criteria, and buying 
>> airtime for my phone as well as for validating Netbanking payments 
>> from external providers.
>>
>> I also like the fact that you can download transaction history in 
>> XLSX format and not only in PDF format.
>>
>> If you wish to open with ICICI Bank, I can show you around with Jaws Etc.
>>
>>
>>
>> Thanks.
>>
>> Yamuna Jivana dasa
>>
>>
>>
>> From: accessindia@accessindia.org.in
>> [mailto:accessindia@accessindia.org.in]
>> On Behalf Of Sagar Verma
>> Sent: Tuesday, May 23, 2023 3:31 PM
>> To: accessindia@accessindia.org.in
>> Subject: [AI] Inquiry with regards to bank accounts
>>
>>
>>
>> Greetings everyone, got the following question, as an oci holder, 
>> which bank is good for non-resident account?
>>
>> NRE/Nro? Should be screen reader, friendly
>>
>>
>>
>> With kind regards,
>>
>> Sagar.
>>
>> Join my WhatsApp group in which we assist uses from an accessibility 
>> point of view, regarding apple and apples services and products.
>>
>> Join the jailbreak community if you want to get the most freedom out 
>> of your iOS devices, if you are into customisations.
>>
>> Whatsapp+61415104029.
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> Sent from my iPhone
>>
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RE: [AI] Inquiry with regards to bank accounts

[Yamuna Jivana Dasa (Yoganathan Khandoo)]

Hi Sagar,

I am also OCI holder and have opened NRE/NRO account for NRIs at ICICI Bank.

The Web interface is accessible with screen-reader such as Jaws and NVDA.

Without sighted help, I have used it to add payment recipients, make payments, 
view account balances, downloading detailed transaction history by specifying 
dates and other download criteria, and buying airtime for my phone as well as 
for validating Netbanking payments from external providers.

I also like the fact that you can download transaction history in XLSX format 
and not only in PDF format.

If you wish to open with ICICI Bank, I can show you around with Jaws Etc.

 

Thanks.

Yamuna Jivana dasa

 

From: accessindia@accessindia.org.in [mailto:accessindia@accessindia.org.in] On 
Behalf Of Sagar Verma
Sent: Tuesday, May 23, 2023 3:31 PM
To: accessindia@accessindia.org.in
Subject: [AI] Inquiry with regards to bank accounts

 

Greetings everyone, got the following question, as an oci holder, which bank is 
good for non-resident account?

NRE/Nro? Should be screen reader, friendly

 

With kind regards,

Sagar.

Join my WhatsApp group in which we assist uses from an accessibility point of 
view, regarding apple and apples services and products.

Join the jailbreak community if you want to get the most freedom out of your 
iOS devices, if you are into customisations.

Whatsapp+61415104029.





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RE: [AI] Denial of SIM card for blind persons

[Yamuna Jivana Dasa (Yoganathan Khandoo)]

Hi Harish,

Sorry for my ignorance but I’m a new-comer to Indian bureaucracy and systems.

Please can you explain the following terminology in your below post:

CCPD:

 

Aires verification:

 

the gallery:

 

everification:

 

PFA:

 

Thanks lots.

 

Yamuna Jivana dasa

 

From: accessindia@accessindia.org.in [mailto:accessindia@accessindia.org.in] On 
Behalf Of harish kotian
Sent: Friday, November 17, 2023 2:45 PM
To: accessindia@accessindia.org.in
Subject: [AI] Denial of SIM card for blind persons

 

All

Sometime back, there was a complaint from our member regarding the captioned 
subject.

In this connection, the issue was also taken up with CCPD. It transpired, that 
Aires verification is one of the many alternatives means of verification for 
KYC. If the person goes to the gallery in person, then everification need not 
be done. PFA the case.

Regards

Harish Kotian

 



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Subject: 

Fwd: Case No.13154/1141/2022 - Order


Date: 

Fri, 17 Nov 2023 14:20:30 +0530


From: 

Suhas Karnik   


To: 

Harish Kotian   

 

 

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Date: Thu, Nov 9, 2023 at 4:27 PM
Subject: Fwd: Case No.13154/1141/2022 - Order
To: mailto:suhaskarni...@gmail.com> >





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From: O/o CCPD mailto:c...@nic.in> >
Date: Wed, 21 Dec, 2022, 2:06 pm
Subject: Case No.13154/1141/2022 - Order
To: suhaskarnik56 mailto:suhaskarni...@gmail.com> >, 
V Raghunandan mailto:secret...@trai.gov.in> >, K 
Rajaraman mailto:secy-...@nic.in> >, patilshivambhausaheb 
mailto:patilshivambhausa...@gmail.com> >, 
mangeshssgaykar mailto:mangeshssgay...@gmail.com> >

 

Madam/Sir,

Please find attached herewith Order dated 14.12.2022 passed in this case.

Regards,

 

Office of the Chief Commissioner for Persons with Disabilities (Divyangjan),
Department of Empowerment of Persons with Disabilities(Divyangjan),

Ministry of Social Justice & Empowerment, Govt. of India,
5th Floor, NISD Building, Plot No.G-2, Sector-10,

Dwarka, New Delhi-110075

Ph. No.011-20892364, 011-20892275

 

    

 

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RE: [AI] (Please ignore the previous email), : Introducing the NO JAB Cane for the Blind - A Revolutionary Solution for Safe Mobility Access

[Yamuna Jivana Dasa (Yoganathan Khandoo)]

Hi,

You say: “Not possible to describe in a write-up.” Why not? Everything said so 
far is meaningless in terms of functionality, as has already been pointed out 
here by others.

To my mind, this comes across as simply a lack of transparency, giving me an 
instinctive feeling not to trust in the first place. I hope I’m wrong.

That’s just my honest feeling. Consider this if you will in your marketing 
strategy, if you really have a valuable product to offer the blind community.

 

Thank you.

 

From: accessindia@accessindia.org.in [mailto:accessindia@accessindia.org.in] On 
Behalf Of Blind 2 Visionary
Sent: Tuesday, November 14, 2023 7:46 PM
To: accessindia@accessindia.org.in
Subject: Re: [AI] (Please ignore the previous email), : Introducing the NO JAB 
Cane for the Blind - A Revolutionary Solution for Safe Mobility Access

 

Dear All,

 

Not possible to describe in a write-up.

 

Because many VIP persons are not aware of No Jab Cane.

So please contact us during working hours 10 am to 6 pm Monday to Saturday and 
we will answer all your questions.

 

B2V INDIA

+91 9871098781

 

Thanks






 

 

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On Tue, Nov 14, 2023 at 7:37 PM Sandeep Singh mailto:sandeepsingh...@gmail.com> > wrote:

1. How is it supposed to make mobility easier, no mention of that,
just says it will improve accessibility etc
2. And forgive my ignorance, but how is a no-jab cane different from
ordinary canes? You mean it has a rolling tip or what? Pls clarify

On 11/14/23, Blind 2 Visionary mailto:blind2vision...@gmail.com> > wrote:
> Hello Dear Nishant Rana,
>
> Thank you for your feedback, and I appreciate your honesty. I understand
> your concerns about the clarity of the launch write-up. We value
> constructive criticism, and I assure you that your comments will be taken
> into consideration for future communications.
>
> And No JAB Cane name is enough to tell what it is.
>
> But, I would like to say that if you are not using our products or have not
> interacted with us before then you cannot understand what we do for blind
> people..
>
> you asked what is the difference between ours and other jabbing canes, I
> think it's available at a very affordable price at B2V INDIA without any
> quality compromise because when you go for another No Jab cane you can get
> it for about 9 to 10 thousand rupees.
>
> and we are giving this at about 90% less price than this market price.
>
> Maybe you can buy it but, many of our VIP people can't afford it, that is
> why we are here.
>
> If you have any specific questions or if there's anything else you'd like
> to know about the product, please feel free to reach out. We're here to
> assist and ensure that our communication is clear and informative.
>
> Thank you for bringing this to our attention, and we hope to better meet
> your expectations in the future.
>
> Ahh well, keep it up, I appreciate your words.
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> [image: Mailtrack]
>  
>  _medium=signature_campaign=signaturevirality11&>
> Sender
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> 11/14/23,
> 07:14:19 PM
>
> On Tue, Nov 14, 2023 at 5:35 PM Nishant Rana   >
> wrote:
>
>> Hello there,
>>  I don't mean to be an ass, But really, the email above does not say
>> anything at all but for that it's a cane, it's called no jab? and that it
>> has a plastic handle.
>> Has to be, the most poorly written launch write up ever. It doesn't say
>> what it is, how it is different from all the other jabbing cains out
>> there,
>> what it's cost is, when and from where will it be available?
>> Ahh well, keep it up.
>>
>> On Tue, 14 Nov 2023 at 14:20, Blind 2 Visionary
>> mailto:blind2vision...@gmail.com> >
>> wrote:
>>
>>> Dear Family, Please ignore the previous email,
>>>
>>> I hope this message finds you well. My name is Dr. T K Bansal, and I am
>>> reaching out to introduce an innovative product that we believe will
>>> significantly enhance the safety and accessibility of the blind and
>>> visually impaired community.
>>>
>>> We understand the challenges that blind individuals face when
>>> independently managing their daily lives.
>>>
>>> To address this issue, we are thrilled to present the NO JAB Cane, a
>>> groundbreaking solution designed specifically for blind persons.
>>>
>>> *Key Features of the NO JAB Cane:*
>>>
>>> *Accessible Design:* The NO JAB Cane is equipped with a 

RE: [AI] Accessible Method to convert english searchable pdf document to hindi language

[Yamuna Jivana Dasa (Yoganathan Khandoo)]

Hi,

If you cannot afford a human translator then these App translators can do quite 
a reasonable job as I have seen.
Personally I don’t agree that they are “meaningless and horrific”. If you write 
the original text using colloquial slang language or is full of local dialect 
and phrases, naturally the formal language translations will struggle. That’s 
the exception.

I’ve had many occasions to communicate with a French guy where he would write 
to me by translating from his French to English, and I from English to French, 
and we managed to have important discussions that way. You of course cannot use 
idiomatic expressions and such things, expecting them to translate to the 
intended meanings. Naturally you must respect the fact that you are using 
machine translation and follow sensible sentence construction in the source 
language while composing your text. Doing this can yield excellent results.

 

Just my 2 cents.

 

Yamuna Jivana Dasa

 

From: accessindia@accessindia.org.in [mailto:accessindia@accessindia.org.in] On 
Behalf Of anirudh rao
Sent: Saturday, November 11, 2023 1:18 PM
To: accessindia@accessindia.org.in
Subject: Re: [AI] Accessible Method to convert english searchable pdf document 
to hindi language

 

absolutely meaningless and horrific assignment 

What is the meaning of converting a document from English to Hindi?

Is Hindi a file extension to convert?

It is the job of a translator.

translating 200 pages of a document would take a considerable amount of time 
and machine translation is usually faulty.

even if you take the help of machine translation like Bard or google translate, 
you need to spend considerable amount of time to proof-read it.

 

On Fri, Nov 10, 2023 at 4:31 PM Bhawana mailto:bhavana...@gmail.com> > wrote:

Dear sir, 
You can use Insta reader   In your mobile. 
You can do easily translate your PDF English document in hindi.

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From: accessindia@accessindia.org.in   
[mailto:accessindia@accessindia.org.in  
] On Behalf Of Mohib Anwar Rafay
Sent: Wednesday, August 30, 2023 12:43 PM
To: accessindia@accessindia.org.in  
Subject: [AI] Accessible Method to convert english searchable pdf document to 
hindi language

Dear members, I have been assigned an office work to convert an
english document comprising 200 pages into hindi language. This
document is in searchable pdf format and can be easily read with the
help of jaws. However I am clueless how  could this task be
accomplished translating the document to hindi language. The task is
first of all convert or translate the document into hindi language and
then get its print copy.
I don't know the hindi typing at all, however my task would be
complete if i am able to convert the document into hindi language,
rest work may be taken care by other colleagues. Therefore kindly
advise me how to do this task.
I have the following tools:
Windows PC and laptop with jaws 2022 and hindi tts.
Android mobile phone with Envision AI, EYE D pro and few other apps
those can OCR hindi (but not translate)
I don't have any hindi OCR software in my windows based PC or laptop

Though here the issue is not doing hindi OCR, but doing translation
from english to hindi primarily. Kindly help

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RE: [AI] Surgeons Perform World's First Eye Transplant

[Yamuna Jivana Dasa (Yoganathan Khandoo)]

Hi all,
It's interesting this was posted here today by Shahnaz, because just two
nights earlier I was chatting with Google Bard's AI project, and learning
about current trends in optic nerve regeneration in people born blind who
have never seen previously in their lives.
There are now non-invasive magnetic stimulation procedures to force the
brain to recognize light activity even if the person had never seen before.
Coupled with stem-cell treatment and regrowing or repairing the optic
nerves, amazing results may be possible. Can you imagine seeing for the
first time - a feeling, a sensation you have never known before? It's like
magic to a person born blind. Perhaps those who lost their sight later will
never understand the excitement of dealing with the unknown in such a
positive possibility.

Just in case someone might be interested, here's my chat history with Bard.
I hope list moderators will consider this on-topic, relevant and
appropriate. If not please advise me further. List members are welcome to
write me directly further as well or even discuss on voice call:

My discussion with Bard

Yamuna Jivana Dasa wrote:
Can the optic nerve be extracted from a person to re-use in a defective
case?

Bard replied:
The optic nerve is a bundle of nerve fibers that connects the eye to the
brain. It is responsible for transmitting visual information from the eye to
the brain. The optic nerve is a very delicate structure, and it is not
currently possible to transplant the optic nerve in humans.

There are a number of challenges that need to be overcome before optic nerve
transplantation can become a reality. One challenge is that the optic nerve
is a very complex structure, and it is difficult to accurately reconnect the
nerve fibers after they have been transplanted. Another challenge is that
the optic nerve is susceptible to damage from inflammation and scarring.

Researchers are working on developing new technologies that could overcome
these challenges and make optic nerve transplantation possible in the
future. For example, some researchers are developing new surgical techniques
that could help to minimize damage to the optic nerve during
transplantation. Other researchers are developing new biomaterials that
could help to protect the optic nerve from inflammation and scarring.

In addition to optic nerve transplantation, researchers are also exploring
other ways to restore vision to people with optic nerve damage. For example,
some researchers are developing new stem cell therapies that could help to
regenerate damaged optic nerve cells. Other researchers are developing new
brain implants that could bypass the damaged optic nerve and directly
stimulate the visual center of the brain.

It is still too early to say when optic nerve transplantation or other
treatments will be available to restore vision to people with optic nerve
damage. However, research in this area is progressing rapidly, and there is
hope that new treatments will be available in the near future.

Yamuna Jivana Dasa wrote:
Tell me more about research around stimulating the visual cortex of the
brain in blind people who have never seen since birth. I am totally blind
from birth, now 47 years old, and wish to experience any form of sight
possible for the first time ever. I have bioptic atrophy and my blindness is
absolute.

Bard replied:
Research on stimulating the visual cortex of the brain in blind people who
have never seen since birth is a rapidly developing field. There are a
number of different approaches being explored, and some early results have
been promising.

One approach is to use electrical stimulation to directly stimulate the
visual cortex. This can be done by implanting electrodes into the brain or
by using non-invasive methods such as transcranial magnetic stimulation
(TMS).

Another approach is to use optogenetics to stimulate the visual cortex.
Optogenetics is a technique that uses light to control the activity of
neurons. In this approach, researchers use light to activate neurons in the
visual cortex that are responsive to visual stimuli.

Both of these approaches have been shown to produce some level of vision in
blind people. However, the results have been mixed, and there are still many
challenges to overcome before these approaches can be used to restore
functional vision to blind people.

One challenge is that the visual cortex is a very complex structure, and it
is difficult to accurately target the specific neurons that need to be
stimulated. Another challenge is that the brain needs to learn to interpret
the electrical or optical signals that are being used to stimulate the
visual cortex. This learning process can take time and may not be complete
in all cases.

Despite the challenges, research in this area is ongoing, and there is hope
that new treatments will be available to restore vision to blind people in
the near future.

Here are some specific examples of research on stimulating the visual cortex
of the 

RE: [AI] Unlock Your Creativity with Connecting Dreams Content Writing Services

[Yamuna Jivana Dasa (Yoganathan Khandoo)]

Hi Admin, please see this is not directly accessibility directed. Thanks.

YJd

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From: accessindia@accessindia.org.in [mailto:accessindia@accessindia.org.in] On 
Behalf Of Akhilesh Kumari Mishra
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RE: [AI] Request to participate in a survey for assessing the accessibility of E-database resources (gentle Reminder)

[Yamuna Jivana Dasa (Yoganathan Khandoo)]

Dear Masoom Reza

 

I have just submitted a response but using the Google forms interface.

I did this deliberately because others have struggled with accessibility so I 
wanted to help evaluate why in the first place.

My thoughts if you don’t mind.

The edit fields all appear as read-only edit fields when the screen-reader 
particular Jaws is in virtual cursor mode (browse mode in NVDA). However they 
are not read-only fields but are wrongly reported by the screen-reader, and 
when turning on Forms mode with Insert Z in Jaws, or Focused mode in NVDA with 
Insert Spacebar, you can then enter data into these text fields. Tab will 
navigate to the next control in this mode, but radio buttons cannot be changed 
with arrow keys. The user has to again turn on virtual cursor with Insert Z in 
Jaws or Browse mode with Insert Spacebar in NVDA, find the respective radio 
button using text navigation with up-down arrows, and press spacebar to select 
it.

Using these work-around methods, we can still navigate the form interface.

 

This should be reported to the accessibility guys at Google. By the way I would 
like to get involved. Any thoughts will be appreciated.

 

Kind regards,

 

Yamuna Jivana dasa

 

From: accessindia@accessindia.org.in [mailto:accessindia@accessindia.org.in] On 
Behalf Of Masoom Reza
Sent: Tuesday, November 7, 2023 9:18 PM
To: disability-studies-in...@googlegroups.com
Subject: [AI] Request to participate in a survey for assessing the 
accessibility of E-database resources (gentle Reminder)

 

HII,

I would like to send a gentle reminder regarding my survey, which aims to 
assess the accessibility of E-database resources for persons with disabilities. 
As few of you found the earlier Google-form inaccessible, you may please fill 
the Microsoft survey form given below.

Google form link for the survey:  

 
https://docs.google.com/forms/d/e/1FAIpQLSfefbpdfWEj07hhSH4sNK-gYvRYEh0TaZzWFY0xsldoo9Mesg/viewform?usp=sf_link

 Microsoft form link for the survey:  

 
https://forms.office.com/pages/responsepage.aspx?id=DQSIkWdsW0yxEjajBLZtrQO__Ww7lB9URDdPMUg3SDJITE9QQlhTTFJGNjQxRzdZTy4u=lprLink

 

Kindly note that the given survey form is exclusively intended for respondents 
with disabilities.  Your insights and input are highly valuable for this 
research, as they will contribute to our efforts to improve accessibility for 
all.  If you could spare just a few moments to share your thoughts and 
experiences, it would greatly assist in my research. 

If you encounter any challenges while completing this survey and need any 
assistance or an alternative format, please do not hesitate to reach out to me.

 

Thanks a ton.

Sincerely,

Masoom Reza

Javed Abidi Fellow at the National Centre For Promotion of Employment For 
Disabled People

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[AI] RE: Hope may be here for accessibility of iMobile App of ICICI Bank! Please read!

[Yamuna Jivana Dasa (Yoganathan Khandoo)]

Hi friends,

 

If you have ever tried to tinker around with the iMobile App from ICICI Bank, 
and you found yourself disappointed, fear not, because working together I 
believe I might be onto something useful. Please read on as I have interesting 
news to share.

 

Taking sighted help from my son, I managed to navigate the iMobile Pay app of 
ICICI Bank with some very limited degree of success.

However I discovered from this that Talkback itself may be configured to make 
the ICICI Bank App more accessible to us.

But first I need to describe the interface so you will understand more clearly.

 

After logging into the iMobile App, there are main tabs:

“Transact”, “Travel and Shop”, and “Discover”.

Under Transact:

“Send money”, “Bill payment”, “Recharge”, “Account and FD/RD”, “Cards”, 
“Loans”, “Invest and insure”, “UPI Payments” and “Services”.

 

The above-mentioned sub-menus of the first "Transact" main tab are 
context-dependent, so that they appear only when you touch the main "Transact" 
tab. When you tap on Transact, Talkback activates the menu, but does not then 
see the sub-menus below it, except the Services sub-menu item.

 

However, if we roter to navigate via links (swipe up and down in with Talkback 
until we reach the navigate by Links), then we can swipe up to navigate by 
links to reach the rest of the sub-menu items.

However, when we find an item we are looking for, let's say "Send money", then 
if we double-tap on it, Talkback does not activate the item. I also tried using 
the Talkback menu with 3 fingers single tap, going to Links, here it sees only 
the active link, in our example "Send money" because that was where we last 
landed on, but if we execute it from here also it does not activate.

 

So, If we can get Talkback to activate such context-dependent menu items, I 
believe this will be the beginning of accessibility of the eMobile App of the 
ICICI Bank, even if it will require navigating and activating the sub-menus of 
the Transact tab only by links navigation.

 

We know that Talkback navigates through these as if they are links. If it can 
then execute the item the way it activates links, we may be onto some 
accessibility here.

 

Anyone familiar with the Talkback development team here?

 

Looking forward to some exciting possibilities. To conclude, if a developer 
refuses to adjust the build of their App for accessibility needs, then if at 
all possible if we can make slight modifications to the screen-reader to see or 
activate such items, it can actually make a difference to other Apps also using 
similar controls used in the development toolkit, if Talkback learns how to 
see, navigate and execute those newer controls.

 

Looking forward to further replies. If you wish for a more technical discussion 
you may instead write me off-list.

 

Kind regards,

 

Yamuna Jivana dasa

 

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RE: [AI] Important Update: Changes to Gmail's Basic HTML View

[Yamuna Jivana Dasa (Yoganathan Khandoo)]

Hi,

I just went through the PDF file. Very useful stuff here. Thanks for sharing.

One small correction seems to be in order.

After pressing enter on a message to read it, and you turn on virtual cursor 
with Insert Z, then you have finished reading the message and turn virtual 
cursor off, you cannot arrow down to the next message. You first have to press 
the Back command of the browser which is Alt Left arrow. This is because you 
will still be in the opened message and need to return to the message list.

 

Hope this helps further.

 

Yamuna Jivana dasa

 

From: accessindia@accessindia.org.in [mailto:accessindia@accessindia.org.in] On 
Behalf Of Siva Suresh
Sent: Saturday, October 21, 2023 7:14 PM
To: accessindia@accessindia.org.in
Cc: nabhelpline ; mryogeshtaneja 

Subject: Re: [AI] Important Update: Changes to Gmail's Basic HTML View

 

hello all I  am reading all the messages regarding using Gmail in standard 
view. for everyone's benefit I am sharing the tutorial on using Gmail in 
standard view. in this tutorial freedom scientific has explained every 
instruction in detail. so listen and enjoy also learn to use Gmail in standard 
view.Click here to listen to tutorial on using Gmail in standard view 

 

 

On Sat, Oct 21, 2023 at 2:46 PM amritpal singh mailto:amritpa...@gmail.com> > wrote:

I also feel that there must be some tutorial for reading mail in standard view 
so that we may do it more efficiently.

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[mailto:accessindia@accessindia.org.in  
] On Behalf Of Penny Tony
Sent: Friday, October 20, 2023 5:40 PM
To: accessindia@accessindia.org.in  
Cc: nabhelpline; mryogeshtaneja
Subject: Re: [AI] Important Update: Changes to Gmail's Basic HTML View

How do we prepare for dealing with this?

Penny


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> accessible. Basic HTML, which catered to slow internet connections and
> older browsers, is being retired in favor of the more feature-rich Standard
> view. According to a Google representative, this move is motivated by the
> fact that the Basic HTML view was superseded by more modern alternatives
> over a decade ago, lacking certain advanced functionalities found in the
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RE: [AI] Microsoft: looking for user connects

[Yamuna Jivana Dasa (Yoganathan Khandoo)]

Hello to all on this thread.

 

For Narrator to become a screen-reader of preference, the most important 
consideration is that it must be customizable for Apps that have not been 
specifically designed with standard Windows controls, tab-orders, and labelled 
graphics to name a few. The screen-reader must have features to allow the user 
to search for specific parent and child windows within applications, build hot 
spots, apply shortcut keys to reach that spot and or interact with that spot in 
specific ways as the mouse user would, to label graphical buttons, Etc, so that 
interactive interfaces can be customized for unfriendly Apps. Failing these 
things Narrator will remain an emergency-case screen-reader for simple tasks 
like installing and configuring Windows, or for launching a more customizable 
screen-reader.

 

I have been a technology accessibility trainer in South Africa for many years 
until last year November when I relocated to India. You are welcome to contact 
me for further discussion if desired.

+91 70372 95962.

 

Warm regards,

 

Yamuna Jivana dasa

 

From: accessindia@accessindia.org.in [mailto:accessindia@accessindia.org.in] On 
Behalf Of Saurav Hegde
Sent: Friday, October 20, 2023 1:50 PM
To: accessindia@accessindia.org.in
Subject: Re: [AI] Microsoft: looking for user connects

 

Hello mam,

I am a hardkore NVDA user.

The thing with Narrater is that, it doesn't have the robustness or reliability 
like an NVDA or even JAWS.

You cannot be confident that it will work everywhere and so is preferred only 
as a backup screen-reader.

Also, the shortcuts are not easy to get used to.

It would be great if Narrator had a practical tutorial like Voice Over instead 
of this long webpage with shortcuts listed on it.

Basically, I mean, Narrator has to become a very robust software which works 
everywhere and is very appealing to use which could lead to change in 
preference.

 

Warm regards,

Saurav Hegde


Student at Brihan Maharashtra College of Commerce, Pune

 

 

On Tue, Oct 17, 2023 at 11:01 PM Nidhi Jain mailto:nidhijain5...@gmail.com> > wrote:

Hi all,

 

I am Nidhi Jain. I work at Microsoft and I am a product manager for Windows 
Narrator – the in-built screen reader of Windows. I recently assumed this role 
and want to spend time talking to different screen reader users on what we can 
do to improve Narrator and make it a potential choice for users.

 

With that context, I am looking to talk to people from different profiles 
listed below. If you are interested to talk to me and other members in the 
team, please message me at +918985694636 or email me at nidj...@microsoft.com 
 .

do spread the word . I will additionally be sending a short survey for everyone 
irrespective of your interest in talking to us.

 

Profiles of people:

1. Using Narrator as primary screen reader on Windows either with speech or 
Braille output .

2. Using JAWS or NVDA or any other screen reader as primary and fall back on 
Narrator for few scenarios with speech or Braille output .

3. Using only JAWS or NVDA or any other screen reader. Heard about Narrator but 
have not tried it recently.

4. Using VoiceOver on Mac as primary but do have experience using Windows with 
screen readers in the last 2 years.

Thanks,

Nidhi

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RE: [AI] About UDID Status.

[Yamuna Jivana Dasa (Yoganathan Khandoo)]

PAUL MUDDHA wrote:

>Dear YJD are you a Indian citizen? >

 

No, not directly Indian citizen, but an overseas citizen of India (OCI holder). 
It basically proves that my ancestry are from India, which grants me full 
rights to live permanently in India without the need for visa. Using my OCI, I 
was able to acquire PAN and AADHAAR (although my AADHAAR is still screwed up 
with mistakes by the agent at the bank (but I digress)).

 

> Or hold South Africa passport? >

 

Yes, I hold a South African passport.

 

> UDID card is for Indian citizens if I am right. >

 

So if I am an OCI holder, am I not classified as an Indian citizen (albeit an 
overseas sitizen)? Does this not afford me the same rights as a person with 
disability living in India? If I qualify for AADHAAR and PAN does this not 
further qualify me for UDID?

 

Anyone able to clarify this further?

 

Thanks guys.

 

Yamuna Jivana dasa

 

From: 'PAUL MUDDHA' via AccessIndia [mailto:accessindia@accessindia.org.in] 
Sent: Tuesday, October 17, 2023 12:34 PM
To: accessindia@accessindia.org.in
Subject: RE: [AI] About UDID Status.

 

Dear YJD are you a Indian citizen?

Or hold South Africa passport?

UDID card is for Indian citizens if I am right..

Best 

 

 

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mailto:accessindia@accessindia.org.in> > On 
Behalf Of Yamuna Jivana Dasa (Yoganathan Khandoo)
Sent: 10 October 2023 15:20
To: accessindia@accessindia.org.in <mailto:accessindia@accessindia.org.in> 
Subject: RE: [AI] About UDID Status.

 

CAUTION: This email is originated from outside Canara Bank. Do not click any 
links or open attachments unless you recognize the sender and know that the 
content is safe. 

Hi friends,

I’m hearing a lot on this group about UDID card, but I am still not sure what 
are the practical benefits of having one in one’s day-to-day life: with banks, 
hospitals, Government facilities, transport advantages Etc.

Can someone please enlighten me? Thank you guys.

 

Yamuna Jivana dasa

 

 

From: accessindia@accessindia.org.in <mailto:accessindia@accessindia.org.in>  
[mailto:accessindia@accessindia.org.in] On Behalf Of Rahul Bhatia
Sent: Tuesday, October 10, 2023 8:18 AM
To: AccessIndia mailto:accessindia@accessindia.org.in> >
Subject: Re: [AI] About UDID Status.

 

Just login to swabhlambhan portal with your credential there you will find 
option to download UDID as well disability certificate in pdf 

 

On Tue, 10 Oct, 2023, 8:14 am BHAWANI SHANKAR VERMA, mailto:bsvermad...@gmail.com> > wrote:

dada, go to page 
https://www.swavlambancard.gov.in/home/login
2.  login with your enrollment ID or UDID number.
3.  type your date of birth in dd/mm/ format.
4.  solve the math captcha.
5.  after successfull login you will land on web page where you can download 
your disability certificate and UDID as well.

hope this will help.

bhawani

On 10/10/2023 7:33 AM, Amiyo Biswas wrote:

I have already downloaded the digital certificate. But I could not find any 
link to download the soft copy of the udid card. The page that comes after 
tracking udid status displays this message:

Note : As per RPWD Act, 2016, UDID card can be issued by home district hospital 
as well as the hospital where the PWD is taking medical treatment.

 

It is confusing. I shall try to visit the hospital again. Do hospitals issue 
udid cards in other states?


With best regards,
Amiyo Biswas
Cell: 6290527506 / 9433464329

- Original Message - 

From: Rahul Bhatia <mailto:smartrahulbha...@gmail.com>  

To: AccessIndia <mailto:accessindia@accessindia.org.in>  

Sent: Tuesday, October 10, 2023 6:13 AM

Subject: Re: [AI] About UDID Status.

 

You can take print of digital UDID card as color card and use it untill you get 
original physical copy you do not have to do any thing they will post it as it 
will be ready i got my physical card after 1.5 year 

 

On Mon, 9 Oct, 2023, 3:09 pm Kanchan Pamnani, mailto:kanchanpamn...@gmail.com> > wrote:

Finally West Bengal is moving. Follow advice given by Ajay and Satguru. Get 
your friends and all to apply. 

Kanchan 

From: accessindia@accessindia.org.in <mailto:accessindia@accessindia.org.in>  
[mailto:accessindia@accessindia.org.in <mailto:accessindia@accessindia.org.in> 
] On Behalf Of Amiyo Biswas
Sent: 09 October 2023 13:50
To: accessindia@accessindia.org.in <mailto:accessindia@accessindia.org.in> 
Subject: [AI] About UDID Status.

 

Hello,

 

I found this message while tracking my UDID status:

Your application current status: Disability Certificate prepared and UDID 
Generated (1917023091096779)

 

I got my digital disability certificate last month. When may I expect my udid 
card or what else I have to do next?


With best regards,
Amiyo Biswas
Cell: 6290527506 / 9433464329

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RE: [AI] Complete list of Talkback braille keyboard commands for QWERTY keyboard

[Yamuna Jivana Dasa (Yoganathan Khandoo)]

Hi Sanjay,
Thanks. Wow that list is very massive, more rule books and very detailed.
I'm struggling to find the individual symbols from that massive listing. Using 
search commands in Windows reveals all kinds of other stuff not related.
Thanks though, I'll keep looking, and hopefully eventually build my simple 
QWERTY to Braille command listing.
Thanks again.


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From: accessindia@accessindia.org.in [mailto:accessindia@accessindia.org.in] On 
Behalf Of Sanjay Prasad
Sent: Thursday, October 19, 2023 11:53 AM
To: accessindia@accessindia.org.in
Subject: Re: [AI] Complete list of Talkback braille keyboard commands for 
QWERTY keyboard

If I am not wrong, talkback uses UEBC  (Unified English Braille Code) in its  
Braille Keyboard.
List of all UEBC commands and their print equivalent letters  are available 
online.
Just search for UEBC Braille code you will get it.
If you are using Orbit Reader, it is also available there.


On 10/19/23, Yamuna Jivana Dasa (Yoganathan Khandoo)  wrote:
> Hi friends,
>
> I’m thinking about compiling a Complete list of Talkback braille 
> keyboard commands for the QWERTY keyboard.
>
>
>
> There are many use cases for this. For example someone may want to 
> include the ` character in a password, which is next to the number 1 
> key on the QWERTY keyboard, easy does it, but when using the Talkback 
> braille keyboard on the phone, they will need to know how to duplicate 
> that character for the password in braille.
>
> Since most blind people from birth use Grade 2 (contracted) braille, 
> I’ll start with this first.
>
> If it’s already been done please let me know. Otherwise if you’re 
> interested in collaborating with this effort please contact me. I’m 
> still trying to find the braille commands for many of these for myself 
> and can do with some help.
>
> For now I’m looking for the Slash and Backslash commands which I need 
> to use most often, particularly for typing URLs in braille, or for 
> representing Windows-based folder paths in braille, respectively.
>
> Thanks guys.
>
>
>
> Yamuna Jivana dasa
>
>
>
>
>
> From: accessindia@accessindia.org.in 
> [mailto:accessindia@accessindia.org.in]
> On Behalf Of Blind Graduates' Forum of India
> Sent: Wednesday, October 18, 2023 6:11 PM
> To: accessindia 
> Subject: [AI] BGFI’s Session on Sound Heeling- Change in Time
>
>
>
> Dear all,
>
>
>
> Greetings from Blind Graduates Forum of India, [BGFI]. BGFI brings to 
> you yet another  enlightening in-person session in collaboration with 
> Yashwantrao Chavan Center on Sound Healing on 29th October, 2023.  
> This session will train the participants to calm their mind and be 
> able to better deal with the multiple challenges faced on a daily basis.
>
>
>
>
> Details of the session:
>
>
> Date:  Sunday, 29th October, 2023.
>
> Time:  4:00 PM to 6:00 PM.
>
> Venue:  Yashwantrao Chavan Auditorium, Opp. Mantralaya, Near 
> Sachivalaya Gymkhana, Nariman Point.
>
>
>
>
> About The Speaker
>
>
> Upasana Makati is a multi-award-winning D advisor, author, and 
> founder and publisher of White Print. She became the pioneer of 
> braille journalism in the country when she launched White Print — 
> India’s first English lifestyle magazine in Braille — in 2013.
>
> Ever since, Upasana has continued to champion diversity & inclusion 
> across myriad industries via consultancy, corporate training sessions, 
> and educational talks. Her spiritual journey began when Usui Reiki 
> came into her life, six years ago. She practices various healing 
> techniques like Reiki, Magnified Healing, Emotional Freedom Technique, 
> Sound Healing, Shamanic Smudging, and Quantum Field Ancestral Healing among 
> others.
>
>
>
>
> Benefits of the session
>
>
> ●   You will feel relaxed and gain peace of mind through guided
> meditation.
>
> ●   You will learn to use the power of sound to energize your body and
> soul.
>
> Healing is a process by which we can get rid of our anxieties, 
> rejuvenate ourselves, and experience peace and happiness. So, if you 
> want to use this opportunity to have a unique experience, you are most 
> welcomed.
>
> Kindly register yourself in the following link given below –
>
> https://forms.gle/q7Bpvfv3FmY2FbL38
>
> In case of any queries, you can connect with us on our official number:
>
> +919892145699
>
>
>
> --
>
> Regards
> Blind Graduates Forum of India.
> Phone: 9892145699
> Website:
> www.bgfi.in <http://www.bgfi.in>
> follow us on
> Linkedin:
>
> https://www.linkedin.com/company/blind-graduates-forum-of-india
>
> Facebook:
>
> http://tinyurl.com/bgfifac

[AI] Complete list of Talkback braille keyboard commands for QWERTY keyboard

[Yamuna Jivana Dasa (Yoganathan Khandoo)]

Hi friends,

I’m thinking about compiling a Complete list of Talkback braille keyboard 
commands for the QWERTY keyboard.

 

There are many use cases for this. For example someone may want to include the 
` character in a password, which is next to the number 1 key on the QWERTY 
keyboard, easy does it, but when using the Talkback braille keyboard on the 
phone, they will need to know how to duplicate that character for the password 
in braille.

Since most blind people from birth use Grade 2 (contracted) braille, I’ll start 
with this first.

If it’s already been done please let me know. Otherwise if you’re interested in 
collaborating with this effort please contact me. I’m still trying to find the 
braille commands for many of these for myself and can do with some help.

For now I’m looking for the Slash and Backslash commands which I need to use 
most often, particularly for typing URLs in braille, or for representing 
Windows-based folder paths in braille, respectively.

Thanks guys.

 

Yamuna Jivana dasa

 

 

From: accessindia@accessindia.org.in [mailto:accessindia@accessindia.org.in] On 
Behalf Of Blind Graduates' Forum of India
Sent: Wednesday, October 18, 2023 6:11 PM
To: accessindia 
Subject: [AI] BGFI’s Session on Sound Heeling- Change in Time

 

Dear all,

 

Greetings from Blind Graduates Forum of India, [BGFI]. BGFI brings to you yet 
another  enlightening in-person session in collaboration with Yashwantrao 
Chavan Center on Sound Healing on 29th October, 2023.  This session will train 
the participants to calm their mind and be able to better deal with the 
multiple challenges faced on a daily basis.

 


Details of the session:


Date:  Sunday, 29th October, 2023.

Time:  4:00 PM to 6:00 PM.

Venue:  Yashwantrao Chavan Auditorium, Opp. Mantralaya, Near Sachivalaya 
Gymkhana, Nariman Point.

 


About The Speaker


Upasana Makati is a multi-award-winning D advisor, author, and founder and 
publisher of White Print. She became the pioneer of braille journalism in the 
country when she launched White Print — India’s first English lifestyle 
magazine in Braille — in 2013.

Ever since, Upasana has continued to champion diversity & inclusion across 
myriad industries via consultancy, corporate training sessions, and educational 
talks. Her spiritual journey began when Usui Reiki came into her life, six 
years ago. She practices various healing techniques like Reiki, Magnified 
Healing, Emotional Freedom Technique, Sound Healing, Shamanic Smudging, and 
Quantum Field Ancestral Healing among others.

 


Benefits of the session


●   You will feel relaxed and gain peace of mind through guided meditation.

●   You will learn to use the power of sound to energize your body and soul.

Healing is a process by which we can get rid of our anxieties, rejuvenate 
ourselves, and experience peace and happiness. So, if you want to use this 
opportunity to have a unique experience, you are most welcomed.

Kindly register yourself in the following link given below – 

https://forms.gle/q7Bpvfv3FmY2FbL38

In case of any queries, you can connect with us on our official number: 

+919892145699

 

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Phone: 9892145699
Website:
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https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCEvshxvn7YC9kBz4LDngasA

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[AI] ListServ commands

[Yamuna Jivana Dasa (Yoganathan Khandoo)]

Hi Folks,

Can someone suggest how to send listserv commands to this list?

Things like changing to temporary no E-mails or changing to daily digests Etc.

 

Thanks.

 

Yamuna Jivana dasa

 

From: accessindia@accessindia.org.in [mailto:accessindia@accessindia.org.in] On 
Behalf Of Blind Graduates' Forum of India
Sent: Wednesday, October 18, 2023 6:11 PM
To: accessindia 
Subject: [AI] BGFI’s Session on Sound Heeling- Change in Time

 

Dear all,

 

Greetings from Blind Graduates Forum of India, [BGFI]. BGFI brings to you yet 
another  enlightening in-person session in collaboration with Yashwantrao 
Chavan Center on Sound Healing on 29th October, 2023.  This session will train 
the participants to calm their mind and be able to better deal with the 
multiple challenges faced on a daily basis.

 


Details of the session:


Date:  Sunday, 29th October, 2023.

Time:  4:00 PM to 6:00 PM.

Venue:  Yashwantrao Chavan Auditorium, Opp. Mantralaya, Near Sachivalaya 
Gymkhana, Nariman Point.

 


About The Speaker


Upasana Makati is a multi-award-winning D advisor, author, and founder and 
publisher of White Print. She became the pioneer of braille journalism in the 
country when she launched White Print — India’s first English lifestyle 
magazine in Braille — in 2013.

Ever since, Upasana has continued to champion diversity & inclusion across 
myriad industries via consultancy, corporate training sessions, and educational 
talks. Her spiritual journey began when Usui Reiki came into her life, six 
years ago. She practices various healing techniques like Reiki, Magnified 
Healing, Emotional Freedom Technique, Sound Healing, Shamanic Smudging, and 
Quantum Field Ancestral Healing among others.

 


Benefits of the session


●   You will feel relaxed and gain peace of mind through guided meditation.

●   You will learn to use the power of sound to energize your body and soul.

Healing is a process by which we can get rid of our anxieties, rejuvenate 
ourselves, and experience peace and happiness. So, if you want to use this 
opportunity to have a unique experience, you are most welcomed.

Kindly register yourself in the following link given below – 

https://forms.gle/q7Bpvfv3FmY2FbL38

In case of any queries, you can connect with us on our official number: 

+919892145699

 

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Blind Graduates Forum of India.
Phone: 9892145699
Website:
www.bgfi.in  
follow us on
Linkedin:

https://www.linkedin.com/company/blind-graduates-forum-of-india

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http://tinyurl.com/bgfifacebook
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https://twitter.com/blind_grads
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https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCEvshxvn7YC9kBz4LDngasA

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RE: [AI] About UDID Status.

[Yamuna Jivana Dasa (Yoganathan Khandoo)]

Hi friends,

I’m hearing a lot on this group about UDID card, but I am still not sure what 
are the practical benefits of having one in one’s day-to-day life: with banks, 
hospitals, Government facilities, transport advantages Etc.

Can someone please enlighten me? Thank you guys.

 

Yamuna Jivana dasa

 

 

From: accessindia@accessindia.org.in [mailto:accessindia@accessindia.org.in] On 
Behalf Of Rahul Bhatia
Sent: Tuesday, October 10, 2023 8:18 AM
To: AccessIndia 
Subject: Re: [AI] About UDID Status.

 

Just login to swabhlambhan portal with your credential there you will find 
option to download UDID as well disability certificate in pdf 

 

On Tue, 10 Oct, 2023, 8:14 am BHAWANI SHANKAR VERMA, mailto:bsvermad...@gmail.com> > wrote:

dada, go to page 
https://www.swavlambancard.gov.in/home/login
2.  login with your enrollment ID or UDID number.
3.  type your date of birth in dd/mm/ format.
4.  solve the math captcha.
5.  after successfull login you will land on web page where you can download 
your disability certificate and UDID as well.

hope this will help.

bhawani

On 10/10/2023 7:33 AM, Amiyo Biswas wrote:

I have already downloaded the digital certificate. But I could not find any 
link to download the soft copy of the udid card. The page that comes after 
tracking udid status displays this message:

Note : As per RPWD Act, 2016, UDID card can be issued by home district hospital 
as well as the hospital where the PWD is taking medical treatment.

 

It is confusing. I shall try to visit the hospital again. Do hospitals issue 
udid cards in other states?


With best regards,
Amiyo Biswas
Cell: 6290527506 / 9433464329

- Original Message - 

From: Rahul Bhatia   

To: AccessIndia   

Sent: Tuesday, October 10, 2023 6:13 AM

Subject: Re: [AI] About UDID Status.

 

You can take print of digital UDID card as color card and use it untill you get 
original physical copy you do not have to do any thing they will post it as it 
will be ready i got my physical card after 1.5 year 

 

On Mon, 9 Oct, 2023, 3:09 pm Kanchan Pamnani, mailto:kanchanpamn...@gmail.com> > wrote:

Finally West Bengal is moving. Follow advice given by Ajay and Satguru. Get 
your friends and all to apply. 

Kanchan 

From: accessindia@accessindia.org.in   
[mailto:accessindia@accessindia.org.in  
] On Behalf Of Amiyo Biswas
Sent: 09 October 2023 13:50
To: accessindia@accessindia.org.in  
Subject: [AI] About UDID Status.

 

Hello,

 

I found this message while tracking my UDID status:

Your application current status: Disability Certificate prepared and UDID 
Generated (1917023091096779)

 

I got my digital disability certificate last month. When may I expect my udid 
card or what else I have to do next?


With best regards,
Amiyo Biswas
Cell: 6290527506 / 9433464329

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Re: [AI] Using ICICI Bank's iMobile App with Talkback, and UPI Setup

[Yamuna Jivana Dasa (Yoganathan Khandoo)]

Thanks very much Harshit. Your explanations are methodical and well 
articulated . Gives me confidence to take the plunge into Google Pay, that I 
don't need to access the bank's iMobile Pay App to set up the UPI ID and 
PIN.


So just to make sure that I'm understanding this correctly enough:
So long as the same SIM phone number inserted into the device is on record 
with the bank, Google Pay can create the UPI ID and UPI PIN from the ICICI 
Bank account, and fetch those for me to see, save, and to supply the UPI Id 
to others who will be paying me. Correct?


Do I need to be logged into the same Google account using the same SIM phone 
number for Google Account verification from which I will be activating 
Google Pay, which shares the same SIM phone number in the device matching 
the bank records?


Thanks a million once again.


-Original Message- 
From: Harshit Lohia

Sent: Tuesday, September 26, 2023 8:39 PM
To: accessindia@accessindia.org.in
Subject: Re: [AI] Using ICICI Bank's iMobile App with Talkback, and UPI 
Setup


Hi,
UPI is strictly a mobile-device payment method. The pre-requisite is
that the SIM of registered mobile number with the Bank should be in
the same device on which the UPI app is installed. You can use any UPI
app such as bank's own app or third-party UPI app like PhonePe or GPay
or Amazon Pay. When you register for UPI on any app, you will first to
have bind the app with your device which will be done using SIM
present in the mobile device. Then you will have to select the Bank.
You need not type the account number. By matching the mobile number
and Bank, your account will be automatically fetched. Then you can
create UPI id which is usually in the format mobileNo@UPIHandleOfApp.
Then you can create UPI Pin using debit card credentials of the
account being linked to the UPI app.

On 9/26/23, Yamuna Jivana Dasa (Yoganathan Khandoo)  
wrote:

Hi friends,
Anyone had better luck than me using ICICI's iMobile App with Talkback?
Some of the menu items are simply not even showing up to Talkback so even 
a


sighted person trying to tap on it while Talkback is running says they 
can't


highlite it before double-tapping while Talkback is running.
An example of this is the UPI setup option.
If not for UPI Setup, I would not even use the App, I would use the
Nedbanking through a web browser, but setting up the UPI to use with a UPI
provider such as Google Pay is not available from the Nedbanking 
interface.
Anyone has any ideas how to activate and get the unique UPI ID and PIN 
setup


for an ICICI customer? I read somewhere that the UPI App itself like 
Google


Pay can fetch those for you during its setup process from the bank. Is 
this


true?




-Original Message-
From: Austin Pinto
Sent: Tuesday, September 26, 2023 4:36 PM
To: accessindia@accessindia.org.in
Subject: Re: [AI] Training needed for using android

and if he wants written training and other android related articals
and guids go to our partner website.
https://accessibleandroid.com/

On 9/26/23, Aravind R  wrote:

if he wants tutorial in hindi, techassistantforblind youtube channel
will be enough.

On 26/09/2023, Austin Pinto  wrote:

if he can train himself and doesnt require personal help then this is
the channel to join.
https://www.youtube.com/blindandroidusers

On 9/26/23, Vatsala R.J  wrote:

hi sir vision aid  a non profit organisation have a 1 month free course
 for mobile technology where we teach h\the basic operations of using
mobile phone with android os
u can fill the form below or share there details contact number would
be
enough i can help in further process

On Tue, Sep 26, 2023 at 12:38 PM Manoj Govindraj

wrote:


Hi friends,
Needed somebody in and around Chembur to Dadar area in Mumbai to train
a
friend of mine to use android phone. He needs this help urgently.
Please
do
let me know if anyone of you would be interested or you know of
someone
who
would be willing.

Warm regards,
Manoj

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Re: [AI] Using ICICI Bank's iMobile App with Talkback, and UPI Setup

[Yamuna Jivana Dasa (Yoganathan Khandoo)]

Hi friends,
Anyone had better luck than me using ICICI's iMobile App with Talkback?
Some of the menu items are simply not even showing up to Talkback so even a 
sighted person trying to tap on it while Talkback is running says they can't 
highlite it before double-tapping while Talkback is running.

An example of this is the UPI setup option.
If not for UPI Setup, I would not even use the App, I would use the 
Nedbanking through a web browser, but setting up the UPI to use with a UPI 
provider such as Google Pay is not available from the Nedbanking interface.
Anyone has any ideas how to activate and get the unique UPI ID and PIN setup 
for an ICICI customer? I read somewhere that the UPI App itself like Google 
Pay can fetch those for you during its setup process from the bank. Is this 
true?





-Original Message- 
From: Austin Pinto

Sent: Tuesday, September 26, 2023 4:36 PM
To: accessindia@accessindia.org.in
Subject: Re: [AI] Training needed for using android

and if he wants written training and other android related articals
and guids go to our partner website.
https://accessibleandroid.com/

On 9/26/23, Aravind R  wrote:

if he wants tutorial in hindi, techassistantforblind youtube channel
will be enough.

On 26/09/2023, Austin Pinto  wrote:

if he can train himself and doesnt require personal help then this is
the channel to join.
https://www.youtube.com/blindandroidusers

On 9/26/23, Vatsala R.J  wrote:

hi sir vision aid  a non profit organisation have a 1 month free course
 for mobile technology where we teach h\the basic operations of using
mobile phone with android os
u can fill the form below or share there details contact number would be
enough i can help in further process

On Tue, Sep 26, 2023 at 12:38 PM Manoj Govindraj 
wrote:


Hi friends,
Needed somebody in and around Chembur to Dadar area in Mumbai to train
a
friend of mine to use android phone. He needs this help urgently.
Please
do
let me know if anyone of you would be interested or you know of someone
who
would be willing.

Warm regards,
Manoj

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Re: [AI] 'Learning of The Day' JAWS Power Tip: Adjusting JAWS Volume On The Fly

[Yamuna Jivana Dasa (Yoganathan Khandoo)]

Hi,
In which version of Jaws has this been implemented? It does not seem to work in 
Jaws 17.0, which is quite old but which I still use.
Thanks.
From: NAB Delhi Helpline 
Sent: Saturday, September 16, 2023 10:13 AM
To: nabhelpline ; AccessIndia: a list for discussing accessibility and issues 
concerning the disabled. 
Cc: mryogeshtaneja 
Subject: [AI] 'Learning of The Day' JAWS Power Tip: Adjusting JAWS Volume On 
The Fly


Do you find it inconvenient to adjust the volume of JAWS while attending a 
virtual meeting or watching a YouTube video? In the past, you had to navigate 
to the system tray and locate the volume icon to modify the JAWS volume 
control. However, JAWS has introduced a new feature that allows  to adjust the 
volume on-the-fly. 

How to Adjust JAWS Volume On The Fly 

1. Press INSERT+SPACE followed by the letter V for volume.

2. Now use the letter J for adjusting the JAWS volume.

3. Next press UP ARROW to increase the volume and DOWN ARROW to decrease the 
volume.

4. You can also adjust the system volume by using the letter S instead of J.

5. Use PAGE UP and PAGE DOWN to adjust in larger increments.


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Re: [AI] accessibility of MAC systems

[Yamuna Jivana Dasa (Yoganathan Khandoo)]

Hi Saurav,
This tutorial is more for demonstrating to sighted people how blind people use 
Apple devices.
It does teach that the Command Options D combination takes you to the Doc, how 
the Voiceover modifier is Control Options combination keys, and to turn on 
Voiceover is Command F5. Other than that it is more for demonstrating to 
sighted people, not designed to teach us how to use Voiceover as a specialized 
goal of the video. Better to use Applevis website for that.
YJd
From: Saurav Hegde 
Sent: Sunday, September 10, 2023 11:13 AM
To: accessindia@accessindia.org.in 
Subject: Re: [AI] accessibility of MAC systems

Hello sir, 
Check out this tutorial, it might help, it includes all apple devices.
https://youtu.be/tTg8QT4NjvA?si=ePV4APxc464znjOz


Warm regards
Saurav

On Sat, Sep 9, 2023 at 8:20 PM Saravanan K  wrote:

  Dear Friend,

  can you please share me the link of voice over tutor videos in
  English. It will help me in switching from windows to mac. Please
  shhare me the tutorials in text or pdf formats also if possible.
  I want to make myself ready in a short time duration.



  On 9/9/23, Awanish Kumar Sao  wrote:
  > Hi Saravanan,
  > MACs are fully accessible and reliable too. The screen reader used in Macs
  > are Voiceover. You can shift very easily from Windows to Macs. To help you
  > in this regard, there are a number of videos and tutorials available in
  > Youtube.
  > Awanish
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  >> On 08-Sep-2023, at 7:19 PM, Saravanan K 
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  >> Dear Friends,
  >>
  >> How much MAC systems are accessible.
  >> what are the screen readers used in accessibility of MAC systems.
  >> Are those screen readers are freeware.
  >> Can you guide me in learning mac systems with screen readers.
  >> I am in a position to move from windows to mac systems.
  >> It is very urgent. Please help me in guiding in this matter.
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Re: [AI] accessibility of MAC systems

[Yamuna Jivana Dasa (Yoganathan Khandoo)]

Hi Saravanan,

Here is the Contents page on Apple's Website for using Voiceover on the Mac:

https://support.apple.com/en-gb/guide/voiceover/vo2682/mac

Voiceover is the built-in screen-reader for Mac, just like Windows has 
Narrator as its built-in screen-reader. But Apple did this long before 
Windows so that Voiceover is a far more powerful screen-reader natively 
built into Mac computers. Unlike Windows as you know we have Jaws and NVDA 
as better alternatives. On the Mac, Voiceover is the screen-reader everyone 
uses.


Hope this link helps get you started on the Mac with Voiceover.

Yamuna Jivana dasa

-Original Message- 
From: Awanish Kumar Sao

Sent: Saturday, September 09, 2023 2:03 PM
To: AccessIndia: a list for discussing accessibility and issues concerning 
the disabled.

Subject: Re: [AI] accessibility of MAC systems

Hi Saravanan,
MACs are fully accessible and reliable too. The screen reader used in Macs 
are Voiceover. You can shift very easily from Windows to Macs. To help you 
in this regard, there are a number of videos and tutorials available in 
Youtube.

Awanish

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Dear Friends,

How much MAC systems are accessible.
what are the screen readers used in accessibility of MAC systems.
Are those screen readers are freeware.
Can you guide me in learning mac systems with screen readers.
I am in a position to move from windows to mac systems.
It is very urgent. Please help me in guiding in this matter.


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Re: [AI] MA Update | Progress on the CCPD Notices to Inaccessible Service Providers

[Yamuna Jivana Dasa (Yoganathan Khandoo)]

Hi,
Can you confirm that Airtel, one of the biggest phone and network providers are 
among these entities sent final notices before action will be taken against 
them? Will be great to hear if that is so.

Kind regards,
Yamuna Jivana dasa

From: Mission Accessibility 
Sent: Wednesday, August 23, 2023 5:21 PM
To: accessindia 
Subject: [AI] MA Update | Progress on the CCPD Notices to Inaccessible Service 
Providers

Dear All,

We want to provide you with an update on the progress made over the CCPD 
notices sent to over 70 inaccessible platforms based on the list submitted by 
MA. Over the past two months, we have received responses from approximately 18 
service providers. These responses include government entities like the 
Ministry of Law and Justice, RBI, SEBI, and the National Health Authority 
(NHA), as well as private entities such as Reliance Industries, Sodexo, 
Network18, Zee Entertainment, and Flo Health UK, among others.

Among these 18 responses, entities like RBI, NHA, and the Indian Navy have 
asserted the presence of assistive features on their platforms. However, upon 
our inspection, we identified some lingering issues on their websites, 
prompting us to request the CCPD to issue orders for rectifying these 
persistent problems on their digital interfaces. Further, companies like 
Reliance Retail, Sedexo, and Sinhal Udyog have submitted their Equal 
Opportunity Policies and have committed to taking steps to ensure that their 
websites and applications become accessible.

We are currently in the process of filing rejoinders to each of the responses 
received from these service providers. Additionally, we are sending out 
reminders to the remaining service providers, urging them to submit their 
replies. If they fail to do so, we will be initiating legal actions against 
such platforms.

Thank you.


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