Re: [AFMUG] VHLP3-11W sources

[Steve Jones]

How far from austin?

On Sat, Sep 12, 2020, 12:02 AM Trey Scarborough  wrote:

> I have a bunch of VHLP-3 Ceragon mount same antenna so if you have the
> aviat mount they will work. Shipping may be a bit to get them from texas,
> but I can let them go at a good price.
> On 9/11/2020 4:38 PM, Steve Jones wrote:
>
> Aviat is out of these antennas right now. looking to source 1-3 of these,
> but need to keep the price down on them, so a warehouse in IL or Eastern
> Iowa i or my contractor could maybe drive to pick them up from. They have
> the conversion kits in inventory, but antennas wont be in til later this
> month.
>
> reaching out to our normal vendors but curious if anybody who knows more
> than me knows more than me
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Re: [AFMUG] VHLP3-11W sources

[Trey Scarborough]

I have a bunch of VHLP-3 Ceragon mount same antenna so if you have the 
aviat mount they will work. Shipping may be a bit to get them from 
texas, but I can let them go at a good price.


On 9/11/2020 4:38 PM, Steve Jones wrote:
Aviat is out of these antennas right now. looking to source 1-3 of 
these, but need to keep the price down on them, so a warehouse in IL 
or Eastern Iowa i or my contractor could maybe drive to pick them up 
from. They have the conversion kits in inventory, but antennas wont be 
in til later this month.


reaching out to our normal vendors but curious if anybody who knows 
more than me knows more than me



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Re: [AFMUG] AUP

[Chuck McCown]

Tnx

Sent from my iPhone

> On Sep 11, 2020, at 6:51 PM, Ken Hohhof  wrote:
> 
> I don't think we've changed ours in 20 years, they were written for dialup.
> http://www.kwisp.com/tos.html
> 
> Get your lawyers involved and you can expand it to 10 pages, and then you
> need your FCC disclosures.
> 
> Maybe take a look at what some of the big boys with lawyers have on their
> websites.
> https://www.risebroadband.com/legal/broadband-internet-terms-and-conditions-
> of-service/
> https://nextlinkinternet.com/terms-conditions/
> 
> Or if you're doing fiber now:
> https://www.metronetinc.com//wp-content/uploads/2018/05/metronet_aupp.pdf
> 
> 
> -Original Message-
> From: AF  On Behalf Of Robert Andrews
> Sent: Friday, September 11, 2020 7:37 PM
> To: af@af.afmug.com
> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] AUP
> 
> I like the "Reserve right to disconnect because of AHF"   AssHatFactor
> 
>> On 09/11/2020 05:24 PM, Steve Jones wrote:
>> just put "fuck around and find out"
>> people have short attention spans, thats nice and simple
>> 
>> On Fri, Sep 11, 2020 at 6:41 PM Chuck McCown > > wrote:
>> 
>>Anyone have an AUP they are willing to share?
>> 
>>Sent from my iPhone
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Re: [AFMUG] LTE vendors

[Sean Heskett]

Yup what josh said lol.

We tried the LTE thing and glad we switch to 450m...much easier.

-Sean


On Fri, Sep 11, 2020 at 4:43 PM Josh Luthman 
wrote:

> Having done one LTE vendor and 450m the only mistake I made was not buying
> the 450m sooner.
>
>
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>
> On Fri, Sep 11, 2020 at 5:54 PM Adam Moffett  wrote:
>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> And yeah, 450m might be expensive, but so is all the LTE stuff.
>>
>> You'll max out the legal EIRP with 450m, and get 8x8 MIMO.  I think
>>
>> part of the magic with LTE is that it will connect with ridiculously
>>
>> low signal, but on a fixed system you probably won't really want the
>>
>> trashy signals anyway.
>>
>>
>> Cambium also has LTE for whatever it's worth.  The CBRS version
>>
>> is supposed to be available relatively soon (though I forget
>>
>> precisely when).
>>
>>
>> I don't know if I state it as "fewer issues since there is no
>>
>> EPC", but definitely fewer complexities and fewer things to worry
>>
>> about.  The connection from eNB to EPC has to be *pristine*,
>>
>> and the EPC comes with its own set of new terminology and new
>>
>> concepts to figure out.
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> On 9/11/2020 4:06 PM, Darin Steffl
>>
>> wrote:
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> I have seen lots to people doing 450M in CBRS
>>
>> stating coverage is nearly the same as LTE but way better speeds
>>
>> and triple the aggregate capacity due to mu-mimo.
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> Way fewer issues too since there is no EPC. Just
>>
>> straight layer 2 with no bullshit.
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> On Fri, Sep 11, 2020, 2:39 PM
>>
>> David Coudron 
>>
>> wrote:
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> We are looking at a new area to
>>>
>>> expand out network that has a lot more tree cover than
>>>
>>> our current footprint.   We are thinking with the
>>>
>>> combination of CBRS and LTE, that we might be able to
>>>
>>> offer better coverage than with traditional fixed
>>>
>>> wireless options.   We have started conversations with
>>>
>>> the following vendors, wondering if anyone has any hands
>>>
>>> on experience with any of them and what their
>>>
>>> impressions were:
>>>
>>>
>>> Blinq
>>>
>>>
>>> Airspan
>>>
>>>
>>> Baicells
>>>
>>>
>>> Ericsson
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> The Ericsson equipment is in a class
>>>
>>> by itself price wise, but the others are similarly
>>>
>>> priced, and somewhere around double the price of PMP 450
>>>
>>> stuff.   Normally we would add more tower sites for
>>>
>>> better coverage, but this project will need to be done
>>>
>>> before the end of the year and building towers isn’t an
>>>
>>> option.   We have good enough spread on the towers that
>>>
>>> we think we can do this with PMP 450 APs, but are
>>>
>>> thinking we’d get even better coverage out of LTE.   Any
>>>
>>> opinions on the reliability and the manageability of the
>>>
>>> four vendors above?   Sorry for such an open ended
>>>
>>> question, but not sure what to ask to be more
>>>
>>> specific.   We know that we will have the LTE stuff to
>>>
>>> deal with like access to an EPC and so on, so not so
>>>
>>> much worried about that as more the manufacturers
>>>
>>> themselves.   Baicells concerns us as they may get
>>>
>>> lumped in with Huawei.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Thoughts?
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Regards,
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> David Coudron
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
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Re: [AFMUG] LTE vendors

[Jaime Solorza]

MoFi

On Fri, Sep 11, 2020, 1:39 PM David Coudron 
wrote:

> We are looking at a new area to expand out network that has a lot more
> tree cover than our current footprint.   We are thinking with the
> combination of CBRS and LTE, that we might be able to offer better coverage
> than with traditional fixed wireless options.   We have started
> conversations with the following vendors, wondering if anyone has any hands
> on experience with any of them and what their impressions were:
>
> Blinq
>
> Airspan
>
> Baicells
>
> Ericsson
>
>
>
> The Ericsson equipment is in a class by itself price wise, but the others
> are similarly priced, and somewhere around double the price of PMP 450
> stuff.   Normally we would add more tower sites for better coverage, but
> this project will need to be done before the end of the year and building
> towers isn’t an option.   We have good enough spread on the towers that we
> think we can do this with PMP 450 APs, but are thinking we’d get even
> better coverage out of LTE.   Any opinions on the reliability and the
> manageability of the four vendors above?   Sorry for such an open ended
> question, but not sure what to ask to be more specific.   We know that we
> will have the LTE stuff to deal with like access to an EPC and so on, so
> not so much worried about that as more the manufacturers themselves.
> Baicells concerns us as they may get lumped in with Huawei.
>
>
>
> Thoughts?
>
>
>
> Regards,
>
>
>
> David Coudron
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Re: [AFMUG] AUP

[Ken Hohhof]

I don't think we've changed ours in 20 years, they were written for dialup.
http://www.kwisp.com/tos.html

Get your lawyers involved and you can expand it to 10 pages, and then you
need your FCC disclosures.

Maybe take a look at what some of the big boys with lawyers have on their
websites.
https://www.risebroadband.com/legal/broadband-internet-terms-and-conditions-
of-service/
https://nextlinkinternet.com/terms-conditions/

Or if you're doing fiber now:
https://www.metronetinc.com//wp-content/uploads/2018/05/metronet_aupp.pdf


-Original Message-
From: AF  On Behalf Of Robert Andrews
Sent: Friday, September 11, 2020 7:37 PM
To: af@af.afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] AUP

I like the "Reserve right to disconnect because of AHF"   AssHatFactor

On 09/11/2020 05:24 PM, Steve Jones wrote:
> just put "fuck around and find out"
> people have short attention spans, thats nice and simple
> 
> On Fri, Sep 11, 2020 at 6:41 PM Chuck McCown  > wrote:
> 
> Anyone have an AUP they are willing to share?
> 
> Sent from my iPhone
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Re: [AFMUG] Yunlink router?

[Robert Andrews]

Yeah, and I was dumbfounded, he was talking stuff like "what's the iperf 
numbers for your network"   I was thinking he had a clue, but somewhere 
he fell into the IFM trap...  When he said there wasn't an ethernet 
anywhere, I think my jaw actually dropped because he gave me a look.


On 09/11/2020 04:44 PM, Ken Hohhof wrote:

Unbelievable.

As I was reading your email I was waiting for the part where he prewired the 
house with Cat6 or fiber to every room with wall outlet or ceiling WiFi6 APs in 
every room.  Oops.

I'm not a big fan of powerline networking as a primary solution.  To fill a 
deadspot, sure.

-Original Message-
From: AF  On Behalf Of Robert Andrews
Sent: Friday, September 11, 2020 5:26 PM
To: af@af.afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Yunlink router?

We had a customer the other day have us come out to look at his new
house for a future install.   The whole house is e-glass and concrete.
Interior as well as exterior walls.   New concrete is wet.  Between the
concrete and the eglass he had built a wifi proof blockhouse.   I showed
him how bad the attenuation was from a phone set as a hotspot to another
phone in another room.   Yeah he's going to be praying at the alter of
ethernet over powerlines because he put ZERO cat5 in during construction
figuring he was going to mesh the whole place..   Phone in 5 Ghz there
was barely a signal at all..  -85 from one room to another..  They all are 
experts now.  The most dangerous person in the world is someone with just a 
little tech knowledge...

On 09/11/2020 12:22 PM, Ken Hohhof wrote:

When we deploy premise routers with SFP ports, customers could care
less.  Only one has ever been used, and that’s at a business customer
where we used a direct attach cable to a POE switch for their VoIP phones.

All customers want any more is WiFi.  Nobody wants Ethernet.  Or fiber.
What they call “hardwired” or “Earth Net”.

*From:* AF  *On Behalf Of *Carl Peterson
*Sent:* Friday, September 11, 2020 2:10 PM
*To:* AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group 
*Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Yunlink router?

With an SFP port?!

On Fri, Sep 11, 2020 at 1:27 PM Bill Prince mailto:part15...@gmail.com>> wrote:

 Theese seems to bee thee one:

 https://yuncore.en.alibaba.com/

 bp

 

 On 9/11/2020 11:14 AM, Ken Hohhof wrote:

 MAC address.  So yes, could be OEM.  But I asked the tech who
 did the install about a week ago and he said the router name was
 either Yunlink or something similar.  He said that he’s seen one
 more recently.

 *From:* AF 
  *On Behalf Of *Nate Burke
 *Sent:* Friday, September 11, 2020 1:05 PM
 *To:* AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group 
 
 *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Yunlink router?

 Is that what the router actually says, or just what the MAC is
 registered to?

 On 9/11/2020 12:54 PM, Ken Hohhof wrote:

 Anybody else encountered a Yunlink router?

 Where do customers find these things?  Are they shopping on
 Alibaba?  I can’t find Yunlink for sale on Amazon or
 anywhere else.  We’ve got a new customer with an open DNS
 resolver and telnet interface.  I figure it’s just a matter
 of time before the DNS server gets exploited for an
 amplification attack.

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Re: [AFMUG] AUP

[Robert Andrews]

I like the "Reserve right to disconnect because of AHF"   AssHatFactor

On 09/11/2020 05:24 PM, Steve Jones wrote:

just put "fuck around and find out"
people have short attention spans, thats nice and simple

On Fri, Sep 11, 2020 at 6:41 PM Chuck McCown > wrote:


Anyone have an AUP they are willing to share?

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Re: [AFMUG] AUP

[Steve Jones]

just put "fuck around and find out"
people have short attention spans, thats nice and simple

On Fri, Sep 11, 2020 at 6:41 PM Chuck McCown  wrote:

> Anyone have an AUP they are willing to share?
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Re: [AFMUG] Yunlink router?

[Ken Hohhof]

Unbelievable.

As I was reading your email I was waiting for the part where he prewired the 
house with Cat6 or fiber to every room with wall outlet or ceiling WiFi6 APs in 
every room.  Oops.

I'm not a big fan of powerline networking as a primary solution.  To fill a 
deadspot, sure.

-Original Message-
From: AF  On Behalf Of Robert Andrews
Sent: Friday, September 11, 2020 5:26 PM
To: af@af.afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Yunlink router?

We had a customer the other day have us come out to look at his new 
house for a future install.   The whole house is e-glass and concrete. 
Interior as well as exterior walls.   New concrete is wet.  Between the 
concrete and the eglass he had built a wifi proof blockhouse.   I showed 
him how bad the attenuation was from a phone set as a hotspot to another 
phone in another room.   Yeah he's going to be praying at the alter of 
ethernet over powerlines because he put ZERO cat5 in during construction 
figuring he was going to mesh the whole place..   Phone in 5 Ghz there 
was barely a signal at all..  -85 from one room to another..  They all are 
experts now.  The most dangerous person in the world is someone with just a 
little tech knowledge...

On 09/11/2020 12:22 PM, Ken Hohhof wrote:
> When we deploy premise routers with SFP ports, customers could care 
> less.  Only one has ever been used, and that’s at a business customer 
> where we used a direct attach cable to a POE switch for their VoIP phones.
> 
> All customers want any more is WiFi.  Nobody wants Ethernet.  Or fiber.  
> What they call “hardwired” or “Earth Net”.
> 
> *From:* AF  *On Behalf Of *Carl Peterson
> *Sent:* Friday, September 11, 2020 2:10 PM
> *To:* AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group 
> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Yunlink router?
> 
> With an SFP port?!
> 
> On Fri, Sep 11, 2020 at 1:27 PM Bill Prince  > wrote:
> 
> Theese seems to bee thee one:
> 
> https://yuncore.en.alibaba.com/
> 
> bp
> 
> 
> 
> On 9/11/2020 11:14 AM, Ken Hohhof wrote:
> 
> MAC address.  So yes, could be OEM.  But I asked the tech who
> did the install about a week ago and he said the router name was
> either Yunlink or something similar.  He said that he’s seen one
> more recently.
> 
> *From:* AF 
>  *On Behalf Of *Nate Burke
> *Sent:* Friday, September 11, 2020 1:05 PM
> *To:* AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group 
> 
> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Yunlink router?
> 
> Is that what the router actually says, or just what the MAC is
> registered to?
> 
> On 9/11/2020 12:54 PM, Ken Hohhof wrote:
> 
> Anybody else encountered a Yunlink router?
> 
> Where do customers find these things?  Are they shopping on
> Alibaba?  I can’t find Yunlink for sale on Amazon or
> anywhere else.  We’ve got a new customer with an open DNS
> resolver and telnet interface.  I figure it’s just a matter
> of time before the DNS server gets exploited for an
> amplification attack.
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> 
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> 
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Re: [AFMUG] Yunlink router?

[Seth Mattinen]

On 9/11/20 3:26 PM, Robert Andrews wrote:
We had a customer the other day have us come out to look at his new 
house for a future install.   The whole house is e-glass and concrete. 
Interior as well as exterior walls.   New concrete is wet.  Between the 
concrete and the eglass he had built a wifi proof blockhouse.   I showed 
him how bad the attenuation was from a phone set as a hotspot to another 
phone in another room.   Yeah he's going to be praying at the alter of 
ethernet over powerlines because he put ZERO cat5 in during construction 
figuring he was going to mesh the whole place..   Phone in 5 Ghz there 
was barely a signal at all..  -85 from one room to another..  They all 
are experts now.  The most dangerous person in the world is someone with 
just a little tech knowledge...



Wow, some of the worst possible materials and wireless only? Good luck.

Sounds like back when I was working on UNR's first wifi install trying 
to get decent coverage in the Fleischmann Ag building. Pretty much ended 
up having to do an AP every other room since the walls were either 
concrete or dense metal lath. SEM wasn't as bad, although I did field a 
decent number of complaints about no signal in the Faraday cage rooms 
from people working on RF things who you'd think would know better but 
somehow wifi is magic? I was just like yeah wifi is RF too, and we can't 
put an AP in because this room is supposed to be an RF dead zone. Of 
course when they started building FA in the late 50's nobody knew wifi 
would be a thing, and the rooms in SEM were built to intentionally block RF.


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[AFMUG] AUP

[Chuck McCown]

Anyone have an AUP they are willing to share?

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Re: [AFMUG] LTE vendors

[Josh Luthman]

Having done one LTE vendor and 450m the only mistake I made was not buying
the 450m sooner.

Josh Luthman
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Direct: 937-552-2343
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Suite 1337
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On Fri, Sep 11, 2020 at 5:54 PM Adam Moffett  wrote:

> And yeah, 450m might be expensive, but so is all the LTE stuff.  You'll
> max out the legal EIRP with 450m, and get 8x8 MIMO.  I think part of the
> magic with LTE is that it will connect with ridiculously low signal, but on
> a fixed system you probably won't really want the trashy signals anyway.
>
> Cambium also has LTE for whatever it's worth.  The CBRS version is
> supposed to be available relatively soon (though I forget precisely when).
>
> I don't know if I state it as "fewer issues since there is no EPC", but
> definitely fewer complexities and fewer things to worry about.  The
> connection from eNB to EPC has to be *pristine*, and the EPC comes with
> its own set of new terminology and new concepts to figure out.
>
>
> On 9/11/2020 4:06 PM, Darin Steffl wrote:
>
> I have seen lots to people doing 450M in CBRS stating coverage is nearly
> the same as LTE but way better speeds and triple the aggregate capacity due
> to mu-mimo.
>
> Way fewer issues too since there is no EPC. Just straight layer 2 with no
> bullshit.
>
> On Fri, Sep 11, 2020, 2:39 PM David Coudron 
> wrote:
>
>> We are looking at a new area to expand out network that has a lot more
>> tree cover than our current footprint.   We are thinking with the
>> combination of CBRS and LTE, that we might be able to offer better coverage
>> than with traditional fixed wireless options.   We have started
>> conversations with the following vendors, wondering if anyone has any hands
>> on experience with any of them and what their impressions were:
>>
>> Blinq
>>
>> Airspan
>>
>> Baicells
>>
>> Ericsson
>>
>>
>>
>> The Ericsson equipment is in a class by itself price wise, but the others
>> are similarly priced, and somewhere around double the price of PMP 450
>> stuff.   Normally we would add more tower sites for better coverage, but
>> this project will need to be done before the end of the year and building
>> towers isn’t an option.   We have good enough spread on the towers that we
>> think we can do this with PMP 450 APs, but are thinking we’d get even
>> better coverage out of LTE.   Any opinions on the reliability and the
>> manageability of the four vendors above?   Sorry for such an open ended
>> question, but not sure what to ask to be more specific.   We know that we
>> will have the LTE stuff to deal with like access to an EPC and so on, so
>> not so much worried about that as more the manufacturers themselves.
>> Baicells concerns us as they may get lumped in with Huawei.
>>
>>
>>
>> Thoughts?
>>
>>
>>
>> Regards,
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Re: [AFMUG] Yunlink router?

[Robert Andrews]

We had a customer the other day have us come out to look at his new 
house for a future install.   The whole house is e-glass and concrete. 
Interior as well as exterior walls.   New concrete is wet.  Between the 
concrete and the eglass he had built a wifi proof blockhouse.   I showed 
him how bad the attenuation was from a phone set as a hotspot to another 
phone in another room.   Yeah he's going to be praying at the alter of 
ethernet over powerlines because he put ZERO cat5 in during construction 
figuring he was going to mesh the whole place..   Phone in 5 Ghz there 
was barely a signal at all..  -85 from one room to another..  They all 
are experts now.  The most dangerous person in the world is someone with 
just a little tech knowledge...


On 09/11/2020 12:22 PM, Ken Hohhof wrote:
When we deploy premise routers with SFP ports, customers could care 
less.  Only one has ever been used, and that’s at a business customer 
where we used a direct attach cable to a POE switch for their VoIP phones.


All customers want any more is WiFi.  Nobody wants Ethernet.  Or fiber.  
What they call “hardwired” or “Earth Net”.


*From:* AF  *On Behalf Of *Carl Peterson
*Sent:* Friday, September 11, 2020 2:10 PM
*To:* AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group 
*Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Yunlink router?

With an SFP port?!

On Fri, Sep 11, 2020 at 1:27 PM Bill Prince > wrote:


Theese seems to bee thee one:

https://yuncore.en.alibaba.com/

bp



On 9/11/2020 11:14 AM, Ken Hohhof wrote:

MAC address.  So yes, could be OEM.  But I asked the tech who
did the install about a week ago and he said the router name was
either Yunlink or something similar.  He said that he’s seen one
more recently.

*From:* AF 
 *On Behalf Of *Nate Burke
*Sent:* Friday, September 11, 2020 1:05 PM
*To:* AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group 

*Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Yunlink router?

Is that what the router actually says, or just what the MAC is
registered to?

On 9/11/2020 12:54 PM, Ken Hohhof wrote:

Anybody else encountered a Yunlink router?

Where do customers find these things?  Are they shopping on
Alibaba?  I can’t find Yunlink for sale on Amazon or
anywhere else.  We’ve got a new customer with an open DNS
resolver and telnet interface.  I figure it’s just a matter
of time before the DNS server gets exploited for an
amplification attack.

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Re: [AFMUG] LTE vendors

[Adam Moffett]

And yeah, 450m might be expensive, but so is all the LTE stuff. You'll 
max out the legal EIRP with 450m, and get 8x8 MIMO.  I think part of the 
magic with LTE is that it will connect with ridiculously low signal, but 
on a fixed system you probably won't really want the trashy signals anyway.


Cambium also has LTE for whatever it's worth.  The CBRS version is 
supposed to be available relatively soon (though I forget precisely when).


I don't know if I state it as "fewer issues since there is no EPC", but 
definitely fewer complexities and fewer things to worry about.  The 
connection from eNB to EPC has to be /pristine/, and the EPC comes with 
its own set of new terminology and new concepts to figure out.



On 9/11/2020 4:06 PM, Darin Steffl wrote:
I have seen lots to people doing 450M in CBRS stating coverage is 
nearly the same as LTE but way better speeds and triple the aggregate 
capacity due to mu-mimo.


Way fewer issues too since there is no EPC. Just straight layer 2 with 
no bullshit.


On Fri, Sep 11, 2020, 2:39 PM David Coudron 
mailto:david.coud...@advantenon.com>> 
wrote:


We are looking at a new area to expand out network that has a lot
more tree cover than our current footprint.   We are thinking with
the combination of CBRS and LTE, that we might be able to offer
better coverage than with traditional fixed wireless options.   We
have started conversations with the following vendors, wondering
if anyone has any hands on experience with any of them and what
their impressions were:

Blinq

Airspan

Baicells

Ericsson

The Ericsson equipment is in a class by itself price wise, but the
others are similarly priced, and somewhere around double the price
of PMP 450 stuff.   Normally we would add more tower sites for
better coverage, but this project will need to be done before the
end of the year and building towers isn’t an option.   We have
good enough spread on the towers that we think we can do this with
PMP 450 APs, but are thinking we’d get even better coverage out of
LTE.   Any opinions on the reliability and the manageability of
the four vendors above?   Sorry for such an open ended question,
but not sure what to ask to be more specific.   We know that we
will have the LTE stuff to deal with like access to an EPC and so
on, so not so much worried about that as more the manufacturers
themselves.   Baicells concerns us as they may get lumped in with
Huawei.

Thoughts?

Regards,

David Coudron

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[AFMUG] VHLP3-11W sources

[Steve Jones]

Aviat is out of these antennas right now. looking to source 1-3 of these,
but need to keep the price down on them, so a warehouse in IL or Eastern
Iowa i or my contractor could maybe drive to pick them up from. They have
the conversion kits in inventory, but antennas wont be in til later this
month.

reaching out to our normal vendors but curious if anybody who knows more
than me knows more than me
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Re: [AFMUG] Circle parental control device

[Ryan Ray]

I don't have one personally so I can't speak definitively but our support
articles say to plug in the circle with an ethernet cable. If it has a good
wifi connection though I don't see what the difference is. We'd definitely
prefer it to be connected with an ethernet cable.





On Fri, Sep 11, 2020 at 7:27 AM James Howard  wrote:

> I’ve never seen the performance hit that was claimed in the article.  I’ve
> had one since they first came out.  We’ve got the current model because
> they offered us a lifetime subscription version for a reasonable price as
> an upgrade.  I currently have it on wifi because I ran out of space and
> outlets where I put the router when I moved it.  I haven’t noticed any real
> difference in performance either way.  The only time I ever had to reset it
> was when I told it to put itself into the locked down profile that I had
> created and it blocked itself from getting to the internet and it couldn’t
> be managed anymore.  That kind of seems like a design flaw but that was
> with the old model so maybe you can’t do that with the current model.
>
>
>
> *From:* AF  *On Behalf Of * Ken Hohhof
> *Sent:* Friday, September 11, 2020 8:35 AM
> *To:* 'AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group' 
> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Circle parental control device
>
>
>
> I guess making them disable the Circle for troubleshooting might be a
> satisfactory compromise.  Although I thought it had a battery and WiFi so
> kids couldn’t just unplug it, how do you turn the darn thing off?  Battery
> pull?
>
>
>
> Also, would it be reasonable to require them to connect the Circle with an
> Ethernet cable so everything isn’t taking a double trip through the WiFi?
> That would eliminate one of my two concerns about the Circle.
>
>
>
>
>
> *From:* AF  *On Behalf Of *Ryan Ray
> *Sent:* Friday, September 11, 2020 2:39 AM
> *To:* AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group 
> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Circle parental control device
>
>
>
> If it works for them I don't care what people use on the network. If they
> called in for help we would tell them to unplug the circle first, just like
> someone troubleshooting over wireless.
>
>
>
> We have enough control and insight into the home network with our own
> routers and extenders that I don't mind if people want to disable arp
> spoofing on the router to use a circle.
>
>
>
>
> https://support.meetcircle.com/hc/en-us/articles/360026363452-CALIX-GIGACENTER-844G-844E-and-Circle
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> On Thu, Sep 10, 2020 at 5:45 AM Ken Hohhof  wrote:
>
> So you’re OK with a device that essentially does a man-in-the-middle
> attack on your managed router, using ARP spoofing to pretend to be the
> router, rerouting traffic multiple times across the WiFi network?  I’m
> trending toward the position that I won’t troubleshoot LAN issues or manage
> the router if the customer wants to do that.  And that if they really like
> the Circle parental controls, they should buy one of the Netgear routers
> that has Circle built in to the router.  No hacker tricks needed.
>
>
>
> If customers want a “managed router” from us, meaning we are responsible
> for all their LAN and WiFi issues, I’m getting tired of them trying to add
> spoofing devices, range extenders, etc. to the network.  Hey Mr. Customer,
> if you want to manage your network, you’re welcome to, but it’s one or the
> other – ISP managed or customer managed.  Make up your mind.  Or call Geek
> Squad.
>
>
>
> https://www.netgear.com/landings/circle/
>
>
>
>
> https://arstechnica.com/gadgets/2019/07/can-disneys-circle-really-deliver-a-porn-free-internet/
>
>
>
>
>
> *From:* AF  *On Behalf Of *Ryan Ray
> *Sent:* Wednesday, September 9, 2020 11:39 PM
> *To:* AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group 
> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Circle parental control device
>
>
>
> We have customers using Circle with a Calix 844e and 804 mesh and it works
> fine.
>
>
>
>
>
> On Wed, Sep 9, 2020 at 8:24 PM James Howard  wrote:
>
> I’ve got one connected at home with an Amplifi mesh.  I could see people
> blaming their ISP for stuff not working if they set the default settings to
> restrict a lot of stuff.  I set ours to block facebook and some other stuff
> for anybody who connects to the wifi but isn’t assigned to a profile.  I
> haven’t had any problems with it causing any signal issues though.
>
>
>
> *From:* AF [mailto:af-boun...@af.afmug.com] *On Behalf Of *Ken Hohhof
> *Sent:* Wednesday, September 9, 2020 3:59 PM
> *To:* 'AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group' 
> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Circle parental control device
>
>
>
> H, does that work seamlessly, or could it cause problems people blame
> on their Internet?  And would it play nice with a range extender or mesh
> system?
>
>
>
> *From:* AF  *On Behalf Of *Darin Steffl
> *Sent:* Wednesday, September 9, 2020 1:07 PM
> *To:* AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group 
> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Circle parental control device
>
>
>
> ARP spoofing. It's not inline at all. If possible, it should be hardwired
> to the router instead of wifi 

Re: [AFMUG] LTE vendors

[Sean Heskett]

If you are planning on going through foliage then you want to pick the
product with the highest clean Tx power so you can achieve the max EIRP.



On Fri, Sep 11, 2020 at 1:39 PM David Coudron 
wrote:

> We are looking at a new area to expand out network that has a lot more
> tree cover than our current footprint.   We are thinking with the
> combination of CBRS and LTE, that we might be able to offer better coverage
> than with traditional fixed wireless options.   We have started
> conversations with the following vendors, wondering if anyone has any hands
> on experience with any of them and what their impressions were:
>
> Blinq
>
> Airspan
>
> Baicells
>
> Ericsson
>
>
>
> The Ericsson equipment is in a class by itself price wise, but the others
> are similarly priced, and somewhere around double the price of PMP 450
> stuff.   Normally we would add more tower sites for better coverage, but
> this project will need to be done before the end of the year and building
> towers isn’t an option.   We have good enough spread on the towers that we
> think we can do this with PMP 450 APs, but are thinking we’d get even
> better coverage out of LTE.   Any opinions on the reliability and the
> manageability of the four vendors above?   Sorry for such an open ended
> question, but not sure what to ask to be more specific.   We know that we
> will have the LTE stuff to deal with like access to an EPC and so on, so
> not so much worried about that as more the manufacturers themselves.
> Baicells concerns us as they may get lumped in with Huawei.
>
>
>
> Thoughts?
>
>
>
> Regards,
>
>
>
> David Coudron
>
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Re: [AFMUG] LTE vendors

[Darin Steffl]

I have seen lots to people doing 450M in CBRS stating coverage is nearly
the same as LTE but way better speeds and triple the aggregate capacity due
to mu-mimo.

Way fewer issues too since there is no EPC. Just straight layer 2 with no
bullshit.

On Fri, Sep 11, 2020, 2:39 PM David Coudron 
wrote:

> We are looking at a new area to expand out network that has a lot more
> tree cover than our current footprint.   We are thinking with the
> combination of CBRS and LTE, that we might be able to offer better coverage
> than with traditional fixed wireless options.   We have started
> conversations with the following vendors, wondering if anyone has any hands
> on experience with any of them and what their impressions were:
>
> Blinq
>
> Airspan
>
> Baicells
>
> Ericsson
>
>
>
> The Ericsson equipment is in a class by itself price wise, but the others
> are similarly priced, and somewhere around double the price of PMP 450
> stuff.   Normally we would add more tower sites for better coverage, but
> this project will need to be done before the end of the year and building
> towers isn’t an option.   We have good enough spread on the towers that we
> think we can do this with PMP 450 APs, but are thinking we’d get even
> better coverage out of LTE.   Any opinions on the reliability and the
> manageability of the four vendors above?   Sorry for such an open ended
> question, but not sure what to ask to be more specific.   We know that we
> will have the LTE stuff to deal with like access to an EPC and so on, so
> not so much worried about that as more the manufacturers themselves.
> Baicells concerns us as they may get lumped in with Huawei.
>
>
>
> Thoughts?
>
>
>
> Regards,
>
>
>
> David Coudron
>
>
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[AFMUG] LTE vendors

[David Coudron]

We are looking at a new area to expand out network that has a lot more tree 
cover than our current footprint.   We are thinking with the combination of 
CBRS and LTE, that we might be able to offer better coverage than with 
traditional fixed wireless options.   We have started conversations with the 
following vendors, wondering if anyone has any hands on experience with any of 
them and what their impressions were:
Blinq
Airspan
Baicells
Ericsson

The Ericsson equipment is in a class by itself price wise, but the others are 
similarly priced, and somewhere around double the price of PMP 450 stuff.   
Normally we would add more tower sites for better coverage, but this project 
will need to be done before the end of the year and building towers isn't an 
option.   We have good enough spread on the towers that we think we can do this 
with PMP 450 APs, but are thinking we'd get even better coverage out of LTE.   
Any opinions on the reliability and the manageability of the four vendors 
above?   Sorry for such an open ended question, but not sure what to ask to be 
more specific.   We know that we will have the LTE stuff to deal with like 
access to an EPC and so on, so not so much worried about that as more the 
manufacturers themselves.   Baicells concerns us as they may get lumped in with 
Huawei.

Thoughts?

Regards,

David Coudron

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Re: [AFMUG] Yunlink router?

[Ken Hohhof]

When we deploy premise routers with SFP ports, customers could care less.  Only 
one has ever been used, and that’s at a business customer where we used a 
direct attach cable to a POE switch for their VoIP phones.

 

All customers want any more is WiFi.  Nobody wants Ethernet.  Or fiber.  What 
they call “hardwired” or “Earth Net”.

 

 

From: AF  On Behalf Of Carl Peterson
Sent: Friday, September 11, 2020 2:10 PM
To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Yunlink router?

 

With an SFP port?!  

 

On Fri, Sep 11, 2020 at 1:27 PM Bill Prince mailto:part15...@gmail.com> > wrote:

Theese seems to bee thee one:

https://yuncore.en.alibaba.com/

bp


On 9/11/2020 11:14 AM, Ken Hohhof wrote:

MAC address.  So yes, could be OEM.  But I asked the tech who did the install 
about a week ago and he said the router name was either Yunlink or something 
similar.  He said that he’s seen one more recently.

 

From: AF    On Behalf 
Of Nate Burke
Sent: Friday, September 11, 2020 1:05 PM
To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group   
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Yunlink router?

 

Is that what the router actually says, or just what the MAC is registered to?

On 9/11/2020 12:54 PM, Ken Hohhof wrote:

Anybody else encountered a Yunlink router?

 

Where do customers find these things?  Are they shopping on Alibaba?  I can’t 
find Yunlink for sale on Amazon or anywhere else.  We’ve got a new customer 
with an open DNS resolver and telnet interface.  I figure it’s just a matter of 
time before the DNS server gets exploited for an amplification attack.

 

 

 

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Re: [AFMUG] Yunlink router?

[Carl Peterson]

With an SFP port?!

On Fri, Sep 11, 2020 at 1:27 PM Bill Prince  wrote:

> Theese seems to bee thee one:
>
> https://yuncore.en.alibaba.com/
>
> bp
> 
>
> On 9/11/2020 11:14 AM, Ken Hohhof wrote:
>
> MAC address.  So yes, could be OEM.  But I asked the tech who did the
> install about a week ago and he said the router name was either Yunlink or
> something similar.  He said that he’s seen one more recently.
>
>
>
> *From:* AF   *On Behalf
> Of *Nate Burke
> *Sent:* Friday, September 11, 2020 1:05 PM
> *To:* AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group  
> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Yunlink router?
>
>
>
> Is that what the router actually says, or just what the MAC is registered
> to?
>
> On 9/11/2020 12:54 PM, Ken Hohhof wrote:
>
> Anybody else encountered a Yunlink router?
>
>
>
> Where do customers find these things?  Are they shopping on Alibaba?  I
> can’t find Yunlink for sale on Amazon or anywhere else.  We’ve got a new
> customer with an open DNS resolver and telnet interface.  I figure it’s
> just a matter of time before the DNS server gets exploited for an
> amplification attack.
>
>
>
>
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Re: [AFMUG] Yunlink router?

[Bill Prince]

  
  
Theese seems to bee thee one:


  https://yuncore.en.alibaba.com/
  

bp

On 9/11/2020 11:14 AM, Ken Hohhof
  wrote:


  
  
  
  
MAC
address.  So yes, could be OEM.  But I asked the tech who
did the install about a week ago and he said the router name
was either Yunlink or something similar.  He said that he’s
seen one more recently.
 

  
From: AF
 On Behalf Of Nate
Burke
Sent: Friday, September 11, 2020 1:05 PM
To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group

Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Yunlink router?
  

 
Is that what
  the router actually says, or just what the MAC is registered
  to?

  On 9/11/2020 12:54 PM, Ken Hohhof wrote:


  Anybody else encountered a Yunlink
router?
   
  Where do customers find these things? 
Are they shopping on Alibaba?  I can’t find Yunlink for sale
on Amazon or anywhere else.  We’ve got a new customer with
an open DNS resolver and telnet interface.  I figure it’s
just a matter of time before the DNS server gets exploited
for an amplification attack.
  



 
  
  
  

  


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Re: [AFMUG] Yunlink router?

[Ken Hohhof]

MAC address.  So yes, could be OEM.  But I asked the tech who did the
install about a week ago and he said the router name was either Yunlink or
something similar.  He said that he's seen one more recently.

 

From: AF  On Behalf Of Nate Burke
Sent: Friday, September 11, 2020 1:05 PM
To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Yunlink router?

 

Is that what the router actually says, or just what the MAC is registered
to?

On 9/11/2020 12:54 PM, Ken Hohhof wrote:

Anybody else encountered a Yunlink router?

 

Where do customers find these things?  Are they shopping on Alibaba?  I
can't find Yunlink for sale on Amazon or anywhere else.  We've got a new
customer with an open DNS resolver and telnet interface.  I figure it's just
a matter of time before the DNS server gets exploited for an amplification
attack.





 

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Re: [AFMUG] TV White Space

[SmarterBroadband]

We use the Dual Pol Yagis on APs to get a narrower beam.  Not 10 degrees but 
better than a 60 or 90 sector and smaller.   Also better gain to suck in a 
signal.

 

Adam

 

From: AF [mailto:af-boun...@af.afmug.com] On Behalf Of David Coudron
Sent: Wednesday, September 9, 2020 9:20 AM
To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] TV White Space

 

Hi folks,

 

Thanks for the feedback, this was what we were looking for.   It looks like the 
TVWS is a non-starter, but we should take another  look at 900 MHz.   We are 
fortunate in that the areas are typically grouped very narrowly in one 
direction.  We figured we could cover the area with a 10 degree sector if we 
could find one that narrow.   We’ll see what we can find for 900 MHz equipment 
out there.

 

Thanks,

 

David Coudron

 

From: AF mailto:af-boun...@af.afmug.com> > On Behalf 
Of Ken Hohhof
Sent: Wednesday, September 9, 2020 10:43 AM
To: 'AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group' mailto:af@af.afmug.com> >
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] TV White Space

 

Oops, 26 MHz, not 28.  902-928.

 

From: AF mailto:af-boun...@af.afmug.com> > On Behalf 
Of Ken Hohhof
Sent: Wednesday, September 9, 2020 9:50 AM
To: 'AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group' mailto:af@af.afmug.com> >
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] TV White Space

 

I keep hearing about Microsoft and its Airband initiative.  I have no idea why 
Microsoft thinks that TVWS has merit or what technology they bring to the 
party, but I guess you could investigate it.  I have to agree with the others, 
it was never very attractive, and gets less so as time passes and people want 
to do video streaming and Zoom meetings and download 100 GB games over the 
Internet, and as other technologies advance.

 

I would also ask, what if Starlink actually works, and is months away from 
general availability.  It may not be a threat to WISPs in general (or maybe it 
is), but it would seem to solve this particular problem.  And what if Starlink 
succeeds in getting RDOF or CAF subsidy money?  Wouldn’t you just be lighting 
hundred dollar bills on fire?

 

As far as 900 MHz, we stopped using it.  The reason wasn’t so much RTK (a lot 
of which is moving to 450 MHz anyway), but smartgrid and smartmeters.  If the 
power company or other utilities put in 900 MHz smartmeters, kiss 900 MHz 
goodbye for broadband.  The other problem was that it was always more art than 
science, sometimes it wouldn’t work and the reasons wouldn’t be clear.  It’s 
touch to plan or troubleshoot when, by definition, you don’t have clear line of 
sight.  There’s also the issue of other WISPs in 900 MHz, but it sounds like 
you wouldn’t have this issue.

 

But the Cambium 450 900 MHz stuff does work, and even though you only have 28 
MHz total to work with, you can use a wide enough channel to get decent speeds. 
 We still have one AP in service with a handful of customers on it.  I would 
steer clear of 900 MHz omni antennas though.  If you can’t justify sectors, 
just don’t do it.

 

 

From: AF mailto:af-boun...@af.afmug.com> > On Behalf 
Of Bill Prince
Sent: Wednesday, September 9, 2020 9:28 AM
To: af@af.afmug.com  
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] TV White Space

 

If they are in a cluster, this could possibly be a viable option.

 

bp


On 9/9/2020 7:25 AM, ch...@wbmfg.com   wrote:

Get them to contribute to the cost of a tower in their area.  

 

From: David Coudron 

Sent: Wednesday, September 9, 2020 7:52 AM

To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group 

Subject: [AFMUG] TV White Space

 

We have a couple of areas in our network that remain problem coverage areas.   
The typical scenario is a handful of customers that are 5-10 miles from a 
decent tower structure, but really want service.   We have usually either 
passed on providing coverage, or messed around with relaying from other 
customers or some other messy scenario.   We are looking for a workable non-los 
solution for these few spots.   We don’t need to get dozens of folks on a 
tower, and a higher than normal cost is OK, but it needs to be stable enough it 
is better than the relays and other messy solutions we have come up with.   We 
keep looking at 900 MHz, but it looks like Cambium is the only one left in this 
game, and we are pretty worried about noise as we are in the middle of farm 
country and the RTK stuff is pretty prevalent.   Has anyone had enough 
experience with TV white space to develop an opinion on its ability to be used 
in this situation?   There only seems to be two vendors in this space, Redline 
and Carlson, but maybe there are others we are missing.   We are looking for a 
solution that would cover customers 5-7 miles in non-los situations with rate 
plans of 20-25 Mbps.   Is this possible?

 

Regards,

 

David Coudron


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Re: [AFMUG] Yunlink router?

[Adam Moffett]

Maybe a flea market in Timbuktu.

Holy crap though: Yunlink IP7620N router is $6.50 on Alibaba. Minimum 
order is 1000 units.   Maybe I should look into that lol


Or maybe some other brand uses Yunlink as an OEM?


On 9/11/2020 1:54 PM, Ken Hohhof wrote:


Anybody else encountered a Yunlink router?

Where do customers find these things?  Are they shopping on Alibaba?  
I can’t find Yunlink for sale on Amazon or anywhere else.  We’ve got a 
new customer with an open DNS resolver and telnet interface.  I figure 
it’s just a matter of time before the DNS server gets exploited for an 
amplification attack.



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Re: [AFMUG] Yunlink router?

[Nate Burke]

Is that what the router actually says, or just what the MAC is 
registered to?


On 9/11/2020 12:54 PM, Ken Hohhof wrote:


Anybody else encountered a Yunlink router?

Where do customers find these things?  Are they shopping on Alibaba?  
I can’t find Yunlink for sale on Amazon or anywhere else.  We’ve got a 
new customer with an open DNS resolver and telnet interface.  I figure 
it’s just a matter of time before the DNS server gets exploited for an 
amplification attack.






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[AFMUG] Yunlink router?

[Ken Hohhof]

Anybody else encountered a Yunlink router?

 

Where do customers find these things?  Are they shopping on Alibaba?  I
can't find Yunlink for sale on Amazon or anywhere else.  We've got a new
customer with an open DNS resolver and telnet interface.  I figure it's just
a matter of time before the DNS server gets exploited for an amplification
attack.

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Re: [AFMUG] Yesterday's office... Coyote Tank .. Tornillo water utility

[Jaime Solorza]

Didn't change  the tower is really close to this tank site ...signal
was in -64db range ...speeds were excellent...my boss upgraded three PLCs
from home this morning...said it was fastmy phone data speeds were in
the 30-36 mbps down and 35-39mbps up..

On Fri, Sep 11, 2020, 9:07 AM Cameron Crum  wrote:

> How's the LTE signal when you close the lid on that box?
>
> On Thu, Sep 10, 2020 at 12:50 PM Jaime Solorza 
> wrote:
>
>> Installed another Cozy Ewon install...they just work!
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Re: [AFMUG] Yesterday's office... Coyote Tank .. Tornillo water utility

[Cameron Crum]

How's the LTE signal when you close the lid on that box?

On Thu, Sep 10, 2020 at 12:50 PM Jaime Solorza 
wrote:

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Re: [AFMUG] MT DynaDish throughput

[Adam Moffett]

Mikrotik Btest, but testing with CCR's on either side of the Dynadish.

TCP, 20 connections, testing downlink direction only.


On 9/11/2020 10:29 AM, Matt Corcoran wrote:


Are you using the built in microtik speed test or are you testing 
through from an external device?   If using the microtik speed test 
what are  TCP,  UDP, Up-only,  Down-only test results?  
Externally I use iperf so I can try with multiple streams and know how 
exactly many streams the test is using.  What is latency?   Maybe we 
can get a better ideas whats going on.


*From: *AF  on behalf of Adam Moffett 


*Reply-To: *AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group 
*Date: *Thursday, September 10, 2020 at 2:01 PM
*To: *"af@af.afmug.com" 
*Subject: *Re: [AFMUG] MT DynaDish throughput

This is in the back woods. SNR is reported as 39db.  Whether we 
believe that's accurate is possibly up for debate, but the physical 
rate stays pretty consistently at 390Mbps and CCQ stays above 90%.


I'm not sure what wall I'm hitting on real throughput though.  CPU 
only gets to 25% or so during the test.  The Ethernet interfaces are 
gig.  I can get 200Mbps+ testing to the near end of the link, but 
90-97 testing through it one-way.


On 9/10/2020 1:55 PM, Jaime Solorza wrote:

80Mhz wide? No interference? What's your SNR?

On Thu, Sep 10, 2020, 11:52 AM Adam Moffett mailto:dmmoff...@gmail.com>> wrote:

I don't normally do Mikrotik Wireless, but I inherited a
DynaDish 5
link.  It's at -66 RSSI on each end, 80mhz channel size.

The physical rate is shown as 390Mbps in both directions, but
actual
downstream throughput seems to vary from 90-97Mbps.  Is this
normal for
the product?  Is there some known optimal config for a
Mikrotik PTP?

I fiddled with using 802.11 vs nstream vs nv2, and I got that
90+Mbps
result on nstream.  The other modes seemed to be worse. I'd
hate to
spend any more time fiddling if this is the expected outcome
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Re: [AFMUG] MT DynaDish throughput

[Matt Corcoran]

Are you using the built in microtik speed test or are you testing through from 
an external device? If using the microtik speed test what are  TCP,  UDP,  
Up-only,  Down-only test results?  Externally I use iperf so I can try 
with multiple streams and know how exactly many streams the test is using.  
What is latency?   Maybe we can get a better ideas whats going on.



From: AF  on behalf of Adam Moffett 

Reply-To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group 
Date: Thursday, September 10, 2020 at 2:01 PM
To: "af@af.afmug.com" 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] MT DynaDish throughput


This is in the back woods. SNR is reported as 39db.  Whether we believe that's 
accurate is possibly up for debate, but the physical rate stays pretty 
consistently at 390Mbps and CCQ stays above 90%.

I'm not sure what wall I'm hitting on real throughput though.  CPU only gets to 
25% or so during the test.  The Ethernet interfaces are gig.  I can get 
200Mbps+ testing to the near end of the link, but 90-97 testing through it 
one-way.




On 9/10/2020 1:55 PM, Jaime Solorza wrote:
80Mhz wide? No interference? What's your SNR?

On Thu, Sep 10, 2020, 11:52 AM Adam Moffett 
mailto:dmmoff...@gmail.com>> wrote:
I don't normally do Mikrotik Wireless, but I inherited a DynaDish 5
link.  It's at -66 RSSI on each end, 80mhz channel size.

The physical rate is shown as 390Mbps in both directions, but actual
downstream throughput seems to vary from 90-97Mbps.  Is this normal for
the product?  Is there some known optimal config for a Mikrotik PTP?

I fiddled with using 802.11 vs nstream vs nv2, and I got that 90+Mbps
result on nstream.  The other modes seemed to be worse. I'd hate to
spend any more time fiddling if this is the expected outcome with this
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Re: [AFMUG] Circle parental control device

[James Howard]

I’ve never seen the performance hit that was claimed in the article.  I’ve had 
one since they first came out.  We’ve got the current model because they 
offered us a lifetime subscription version for a reasonable price as an 
upgrade.  I currently have it on wifi because I ran out of space and outlets 
where I put the router when I moved it.  I haven’t noticed any real difference 
in performance either way.  The only time I ever had to reset it was when I 
told it to put itself into the locked down profile that I had created and it 
blocked itself from getting to the internet and it couldn’t be managed anymore. 
 That kind of seems like a design flaw but that was with the old model so maybe 
you can’t do that with the current model.

From: AF  On Behalf Of Ken Hohhof
Sent: Friday, September 11, 2020 8:35 AM
To: 'AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group' 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Circle parental control device

I guess making them disable the Circle for troubleshooting might be a 
satisfactory compromise.  Although I thought it had a battery and WiFi so kids 
couldn’t just unplug it, how do you turn the darn thing off?  Battery pull?

Also, would it be reasonable to require them to connect the Circle with an 
Ethernet cable so everything isn’t taking a double trip through the WiFi?  That 
would eliminate one of my two concerns about the Circle.


From: AF mailto:af-boun...@af.afmug.com>> On Behalf Of 
Ryan Ray
Sent: Friday, September 11, 2020 2:39 AM
To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group mailto:af@af.afmug.com>>
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Circle parental control device

If it works for them I don't care what people use on the network. If they 
called in for help we would tell them to unplug the circle first, just like 
someone troubleshooting over wireless.

We have enough control and insight into the home network with our own routers 
and extenders that I don't mind if people want to disable arp spoofing on the 
router to use a circle.

https://support.meetcircle.com/hc/en-us/articles/360026363452-CALIX-GIGACENTER-844G-844E-and-Circle



On Thu, Sep 10, 2020 at 5:45 AM Ken Hohhof 
mailto:af...@kwisp.com>> wrote:
So you’re OK with a device that essentially does a man-in-the-middle attack on 
your managed router, using ARP spoofing to pretend to be the router, rerouting 
traffic multiple times across the WiFi network?  I’m trending toward the 
position that I won’t troubleshoot LAN issues or manage the router if the 
customer wants to do that.  And that if they really like the Circle parental 
controls, they should buy one of the Netgear routers that has Circle built in 
to the router.  No hacker tricks needed.

If customers want a “managed router” from us, meaning we are responsible for 
all their LAN and WiFi issues, I’m getting tired of them trying to add spoofing 
devices, range extenders, etc. to the network.  Hey Mr. Customer, if you want 
to manage your network, you’re welcome to, but it’s one or the other – ISP 
managed or customer managed.  Make up your mind.  Or call Geek Squad.

https://www.netgear.com/landings/circle/

https://arstechnica.com/gadgets/2019/07/can-disneys-circle-really-deliver-a-porn-free-internet/


From: AF mailto:af-boun...@af.afmug.com>> On Behalf Of 
Ryan Ray
Sent: Wednesday, September 9, 2020 11:39 PM
To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group mailto:af@af.afmug.com>>
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Circle parental control device

We have customers using Circle with a Calix 844e and 804 mesh and it works fine.


On Wed, Sep 9, 2020 at 8:24 PM James Howard 
mailto:ja...@litewire.net>> wrote:
I’ve got one connected at home with an Amplifi mesh.  I could see people 
blaming their ISP for stuff not working if they set the default settings to 
restrict a lot of stuff.  I set ours to block facebook and some other stuff for 
anybody who connects to the wifi but isn’t assigned to a profile.  I haven’t 
had any problems with it causing any signal issues though.

From: AF [mailto:af-boun...@af.afmug.com] On 
Behalf Of Ken Hohhof
Sent: Wednesday, September 9, 2020 3:59 PM
To: 'AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group' mailto:af@af.afmug.com>>
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Circle parental control device

H, does that work seamlessly, or could it cause problems people blame on 
their Internet?  And would it play nice with a range extender or mesh system?

From: AF mailto:af-boun...@af.afmug.com>> On Behalf Of 
Darin Steffl
Sent: Wednesday, September 9, 2020 1:07 PM
To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group mailto:af@af.afmug.com>>
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Circle parental control device

ARP spoofing. It's not inline at all. If possible, it should be hardwired to 
the router instead of wifi for best performance.

On Wed, Sep 9, 2020, 12:51 PM Steve Jones 
mailto:thatoneguyst...@gmail.com>> wrote:
routerlimits had something similar, never got to investigate much before bark 
bought them
i figured it either did dns or spoofing of something

On Wed, Sep 9, 2020 at 12:43 PM Ken Hohhof 
mailto:af...@kwisp.com>> wrote:

Re: [AFMUG] Circle parental control device

[Ken Hohhof]

OK, I guess I can answer my own question about how to turn Circle off by 
consulting their website:

 

To turn the Circle device OFF

The Circle device was designed with enterprising kids in mind and has an 
internal battery that will keep it working, even if it's unplugged. There may 
be times, however, when you may need to turn your Circle device off, and this 
is how:

1.  Locate the power button on the back of your Circle device.
2.  Hold the power button for 10-15 seconds until the LED power indicator 
turns off.
3.  Release the power button.

 

I’d still be interested in your view of whether it’s reasonable to require the 
customer to connect the Circle to the router via an Ethernet cable if they’re 
going to complain about WiFi performance.

 

 

From: AF  On Behalf Of Ken Hohhof
Sent: Friday, September 11, 2020 8:35 AM
To: 'AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group' 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Circle parental control device

 

I guess making them disable the Circle for troubleshooting might be a 
satisfactory compromise.  Although I thought it had a battery and WiFi so kids 
couldn’t just unplug it, how do you turn the darn thing off?  Battery pull?

 

Also, would it be reasonable to require them to connect the Circle with an 
Ethernet cable so everything isn’t taking a double trip through the WiFi?  That 
would eliminate one of my two concerns about the Circle.

 

 

From: AF mailto:af-boun...@af.afmug.com> > On Behalf 
Of Ryan Ray
Sent: Friday, September 11, 2020 2:39 AM
To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group mailto:af@af.afmug.com> >
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Circle parental control device

 

If it works for them I don't care what people use on the network. If they 
called in for help we would tell them to unplug the circle first, just like 
someone troubleshooting over wireless.

 

We have enough control and insight into the home network with our own routers 
and extenders that I don't mind if people want to disable arp spoofing on the 
router to use a circle.

 

https://support.meetcircle.com/hc/en-us/articles/360026363452-CALIX-GIGACENTER-844G-844E-and-Circle

 

 

 

On Thu, Sep 10, 2020 at 5:45 AM Ken Hohhof mailto:af...@kwisp.com> > wrote:

So you’re OK with a device that essentially does a man-in-the-middle attack on 
your managed router, using ARP spoofing to pretend to be the router, rerouting 
traffic multiple times across the WiFi network?  I’m trending toward the 
position that I won’t troubleshoot LAN issues or manage the router if the 
customer wants to do that.  And that if they really like the Circle parental 
controls, they should buy one of the Netgear routers that has Circle built in 
to the router.  No hacker tricks needed.

 

If customers want a “managed router” from us, meaning we are responsible for 
all their LAN and WiFi issues, I’m getting tired of them trying to add spoofing 
devices, range extenders, etc. to the network.  Hey Mr. Customer, if you want 
to manage your network, you’re welcome to, but it’s one or the other – ISP 
managed or customer managed.  Make up your mind.  Or call Geek Squad.

 

https://www.netgear.com/landings/circle/

 

https://arstechnica.com/gadgets/2019/07/can-disneys-circle-really-deliver-a-porn-free-internet/

 

 

From: AF mailto:af-boun...@af.afmug.com> > On Behalf 
Of Ryan Ray
Sent: Wednesday, September 9, 2020 11:39 PM
To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group mailto:af@af.afmug.com> >
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Circle parental control device

 

We have customers using Circle with a Calix 844e and 804 mesh and it works 
fine. 

 

 

On Wed, Sep 9, 2020 at 8:24 PM James Howard mailto:ja...@litewire.net> > wrote:

I’ve got one connected at home with an Amplifi mesh.  I could see people 
blaming their ISP for stuff not working if they set the default settings to 
restrict a lot of stuff.  I set ours to block facebook and some other stuff for 
anybody who connects to the wifi but isn’t assigned to a profile.  I haven’t 
had any problems with it causing any signal issues though.

 

From: AF [mailto:af-boun...@af.afmug.com  ] On 
Behalf Of Ken Hohhof
Sent: Wednesday, September 9, 2020 3:59 PM
To: 'AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group' mailto:af@af.afmug.com> >
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Circle parental control device

 

H, does that work seamlessly, or could it cause problems people blame on 
their Internet?  And would it play nice with a range extender or mesh system?

 

From: AF mailto:af-boun...@af.afmug.com> > On Behalf 
Of Darin Steffl
Sent: Wednesday, September 9, 2020 1:07 PM
To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group mailto:af@af.afmug.com> >
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Circle parental control device

 

ARP spoofing. It's not inline at all. If possible, it should be hardwired to 
the router instead of wifi for best performance. 

 

On Wed, Sep 9, 2020, 12:51 PM Steve Jones mailto:thatoneguyst...@gmail.com> > wrote:

routerlimits had something similar, never got to investigate much before bark 
bought them

i figured it 

Re: [AFMUG] Circle parental control device

[Ken Hohhof]

I guess making them disable the Circle for troubleshooting might be a 
satisfactory compromise.  Although I thought it had a battery and WiFi so kids 
couldn’t just unplug it, how do you turn the darn thing off?  Battery pull?

 

Also, would it be reasonable to require them to connect the Circle with an 
Ethernet cable so everything isn’t taking a double trip through the WiFi?  That 
would eliminate one of my two concerns about the Circle.

 

 

From: AF  On Behalf Of Ryan Ray
Sent: Friday, September 11, 2020 2:39 AM
To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Circle parental control device

 

If it works for them I don't care what people use on the network. If they 
called in for help we would tell them to unplug the circle first, just like 
someone troubleshooting over wireless.

 

We have enough control and insight into the home network with our own routers 
and extenders that I don't mind if people want to disable arp spoofing on the 
router to use a circle.

 

https://support.meetcircle.com/hc/en-us/articles/360026363452-CALIX-GIGACENTER-844G-844E-and-Circle

 

 

 

On Thu, Sep 10, 2020 at 5:45 AM Ken Hohhof mailto:af...@kwisp.com> > wrote:

So you’re OK with a device that essentially does a man-in-the-middle attack on 
your managed router, using ARP spoofing to pretend to be the router, rerouting 
traffic multiple times across the WiFi network?  I’m trending toward the 
position that I won’t troubleshoot LAN issues or manage the router if the 
customer wants to do that.  And that if they really like the Circle parental 
controls, they should buy one of the Netgear routers that has Circle built in 
to the router.  No hacker tricks needed.

 

If customers want a “managed router” from us, meaning we are responsible for 
all their LAN and WiFi issues, I’m getting tired of them trying to add spoofing 
devices, range extenders, etc. to the network.  Hey Mr. Customer, if you want 
to manage your network, you’re welcome to, but it’s one or the other – ISP 
managed or customer managed.  Make up your mind.  Or call Geek Squad.

 

https://www.netgear.com/landings/circle/

 

https://arstechnica.com/gadgets/2019/07/can-disneys-circle-really-deliver-a-porn-free-internet/

 

 

From: AF mailto:af-boun...@af.afmug.com> > On Behalf 
Of Ryan Ray
Sent: Wednesday, September 9, 2020 11:39 PM
To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group mailto:af@af.afmug.com> >
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Circle parental control device

 

We have customers using Circle with a Calix 844e and 804 mesh and it works 
fine. 

 

 

On Wed, Sep 9, 2020 at 8:24 PM James Howard mailto:ja...@litewire.net> > wrote:

I’ve got one connected at home with an Amplifi mesh.  I could see people 
blaming their ISP for stuff not working if they set the default settings to 
restrict a lot of stuff.  I set ours to block facebook and some other stuff for 
anybody who connects to the wifi but isn’t assigned to a profile.  I haven’t 
had any problems with it causing any signal issues though.

 

From: AF [mailto:af-boun...@af.afmug.com  ] On 
Behalf Of Ken Hohhof
Sent: Wednesday, September 9, 2020 3:59 PM
To: 'AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group' mailto:af@af.afmug.com> >
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Circle parental control device

 

H, does that work seamlessly, or could it cause problems people blame on 
their Internet?  And would it play nice with a range extender or mesh system?

 

From: AF mailto:af-boun...@af.afmug.com> > On Behalf 
Of Darin Steffl
Sent: Wednesday, September 9, 2020 1:07 PM
To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group mailto:af@af.afmug.com> >
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Circle parental control device

 

ARP spoofing. It's not inline at all. If possible, it should be hardwired to 
the router instead of wifi for best performance. 

 

On Wed, Sep 9, 2020, 12:51 PM Steve Jones mailto:thatoneguyst...@gmail.com> > wrote:

routerlimits had something similar, never got to investigate much before bark 
bought them

i figured it either did dns or spoofing of something

 

On Wed, Sep 9, 2020 at 12:43 PM Ken Hohhof mailto:af...@kwisp.com> > wrote:

Customer has a Circle device on their WiFi network which apparently is a 
parental control device.

 

How does this work if it’s just another device on the WiFi?  It seems like it 
would have to either be inline with the path to the Internet, or somehow take 
over DNS.  Or is it doing something intrusive on the WiFi?

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Re: [AFMUG] OT RIP Emma Peel

[Ken Hohhof]

And of course Mrs. Peel was married.

 

From: AF  On Behalf Of Bill Prince
Sent: Thursday, September 10, 2020 9:38 PM
To: af@af.afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT RIP Emma Peel

 

I worked with a guy back in the day that had this major thing about her. it
was almost creepy the way he would talk about her. I wondered how he managed
that after he got married...

 

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Re: [AFMUG] Looking for a 20A Auto Transfer Outdoor switch/plug

[Ken Hohhof]

Apparently the magic term is “inlet”.

 

From: AF  On Behalf Of Bill Prince
Sent: Thursday, September 10, 2020 9:33 PM
To: af@af.afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Looking for a 20A Auto Transfer Outdoor switch/plug

 

Pick your poison.

https://www.google.com/search?q=hubbell+ac+power+inlet+plug 

 
=ALeKk01FfJyufjwy1kWj2hrKghX56PWxqw:1599791467113=lnms=isch=X=2ahUKEwimnPLQh-DrAhVVvZ4KHSopAA8Q_AUoAnoECA0QBA=1593=1008

bp


On 9/10/2020 4:12 PM, Ken Hohhof wrote:

https://www.homedepot.com/p/Leviton-15-Amp-125-Volt-Straight-Blade-Grounding-Power-Inlet-Outlet-Gray-001-05278-CWP/301304898

 

Not in stores, I had it shipped.

 

From: AF    On Behalf 
Of Jason Wilson
Sent: Thursday, September 10, 2020 5:20 PM
To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group   
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Looking for a 20A Auto Transfer Outdoor switch/plug

 

https://www.amazon.com/dp/B077ZDMY46/ref=cm_sw_r_cp_apap_TDvFvChYWMDGb

 

I went to 30 amp plugs. No one will steal your extension cords. I make all of 
mine.  

 

On Thu, Sep 10, 2020, 14:49 Steve Jones mailto:thatoneguyst...@gmail.com> > wrote:

thats what we do, it amazes me how hard male receptacles are to find at 
electrical supply houses, they tell you they dont exist, i think leviton must 
make the only one

 

On Thu, Sep 10, 2020 at 12:54 PM Ken Hohhof mailto:af...@kwisp.com> > wrote:

Kisae TS-20.  Available from Inverter Supply.

 

Buy a small NEMA4 box with a backplate, tap 2 holes, and mount it with 2 
screws.  Photo shows a TS-15 but there’s also a 20 amp version.

 

We’ve also put a Leviton male outdoor outlet on the side of the enclosure so 
you can plug in a generator without even opening the enclosure.

 

 

From: AF mailto:af-boun...@af.afmug.com> > On Behalf 
Of Sterling Jacobson
Sent: Thursday, September 10, 2020 12:18 PM
To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group mailto:af@af.afmug.com> >
Subject: [AFMUG] Looking for a 20A Auto Transfer Outdoor switch/plug

 

I should have just asked this here first instead of the Facebook groups.

Sometimes people are just so lazy it makes me doubt humanity.

All I got out of Facebook so far with this questions is idiots mansplaining 
hack about things I already know.

 

Anywho:

 

If you know of a product that exists that fits the bill, please point me in the 
right direction because I’m having a hell of a time finding it.

 

Basically this, but AUTO TRANSFER instead of manual:

 

http://www.steadypower.com/products.php?product=Reliance-CSR201L-Transfer-Switch-%2820A%29

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Re: [AFMUG] Circle parental control device

[Ryan Ray]

If it works for them I don't care what people use on the network. If they
called in for help we would tell them to unplug the circle first, just like
someone troubleshooting over wireless.

We have enough control and insight into the home network with our own
routers and extenders that I don't mind if people want to disable arp
spoofing on the router to use a circle.

https://support.meetcircle.com/hc/en-us/articles/360026363452-CALIX-GIGACENTER-844G-844E-and-Circle



On Thu, Sep 10, 2020 at 5:45 AM Ken Hohhof  wrote:

> So you’re OK with a device that essentially does a man-in-the-middle
> attack on your managed router, using ARP spoofing to pretend to be the
> router, rerouting traffic multiple times across the WiFi network?  I’m
> trending toward the position that I won’t troubleshoot LAN issues or manage
> the router if the customer wants to do that.  And that if they really like
> the Circle parental controls, they should buy one of the Netgear routers
> that has Circle built in to the router.  No hacker tricks needed.
>
>
>
> If customers want a “managed router” from us, meaning we are responsible
> for all their LAN and WiFi issues, I’m getting tired of them trying to add
> spoofing devices, range extenders, etc. to the network.  Hey Mr. Customer,
> if you want to manage your network, you’re welcome to, but it’s one or the
> other – ISP managed or customer managed.  Make up your mind.  Or call Geek
> Squad.
>
>
>
> https://www.netgear.com/landings/circle/
>
>
>
>
> https://arstechnica.com/gadgets/2019/07/can-disneys-circle-really-deliver-a-porn-free-internet/
>
>
>
>
>
> *From:* AF  *On Behalf Of *Ryan Ray
> *Sent:* Wednesday, September 9, 2020 11:39 PM
> *To:* AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group 
> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Circle parental control device
>
>
>
> We have customers using Circle with a Calix 844e and 804 mesh and it works
> fine.
>
>
>
>
>
> On Wed, Sep 9, 2020 at 8:24 PM James Howard  wrote:
>
> I’ve got one connected at home with an Amplifi mesh.  I could see people
> blaming their ISP for stuff not working if they set the default settings to
> restrict a lot of stuff.  I set ours to block facebook and some other stuff
> for anybody who connects to the wifi but isn’t assigned to a profile.  I
> haven’t had any problems with it causing any signal issues though.
>
>
>
> *From:* AF [mailto:af-boun...@af.afmug.com] *On Behalf Of *Ken Hohhof
> *Sent:* Wednesday, September 9, 2020 3:59 PM
> *To:* 'AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group' 
> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Circle parental control device
>
>
>
> H, does that work seamlessly, or could it cause problems people blame
> on their Internet?  And would it play nice with a range extender or mesh
> system?
>
>
>
> *From:* AF  *On Behalf Of *Darin Steffl
> *Sent:* Wednesday, September 9, 2020 1:07 PM
> *To:* AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group 
> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Circle parental control device
>
>
>
> ARP spoofing. It's not inline at all. If possible, it should be hardwired
> to the router instead of wifi for best performance.
>
>
>
> On Wed, Sep 9, 2020, 12:51 PM Steve Jones 
> wrote:
>
> routerlimits had something similar, never got to investigate much before
> bark bought them
>
> i figured it either did dns or spoofing of something
>
>
>
> On Wed, Sep 9, 2020 at 12:43 PM Ken Hohhof  wrote:
>
> Customer has a Circle device on their WiFi network which apparently is a
> parental control device.
>
>
>
> How does this work if it’s just another device on the WiFi?  It seems like
> it would have to either be inline with the path to the Internet, or somehow
> take over DNS.  Or is it doing something intrusive on the WiFi?
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