Re: [AFMUG] OT - Trump to issue pardons

[Robert]

It was back in the Reagan era that news was let off the hook for actual 
fact reporting..  There used to be a law.  Yes some laws are good, 
removing them should not be the objective of either of our parties.


On 11/24/20 4:41 PM, Jason McKemie wrote:
Mainstream news hasn't been anything other than entertainment 
loosely based on real life for quite some time before Drumpf.  Fox 
news has pretty much led the pack as far as that goes.


On Tue, Nov 24, 2020 at 6:28 PM Steve Jones > wrote:


When trump is no longer potus whether that be 2 months, 4 years or
8 years, the media is going to have a major reckoning to deal
with. Nobody looks at them as legitimate journalists anymore so if
they dont deliver the hashtag soundbite that's expected of them,
their ratings will drop well below the obama days, the sponsor
money will dry up. The likes of don lemon, Rachel maddow, and the
blond guy will be looking for work then the networks try to
recalibrate back to legitimate news.  Theyll end up nothing more
than guest hosts on Kimmel live during his last season.

On Tue, Nov 24, 2020, 3:49 PM Ken Hohhof mailto:af...@kwisp.com>> wrote:

And then the media has to ruin it:


https://www.politico.com/story/2018/11/20/trumps-turkey-pardon-isnt-much-of-a-pardon-at-all-985448



*From:* AF mailto:af-boun...@af.afmug.com>> *On Behalf Of *Steve Jones
*Sent:* Monday, November 23, 2020 7:29 PM
*To:* AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group mailto:af@af.afmug.com>>
*Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] OT - Trump to issue pardons

I wouldn't put it past him to bring them out basted and a nice
golden brown for the ceremony

On Mon, Nov 23, 2020, 6:36 PM Ken Hohhof mailto:af...@kwisp.com>> wrote:


https://www.nydailynews.com/news/politics/us-elections-government/ny-thanksgiving-trump-turkey-20201123-amxs7uh6hvf55ncsrvshjbiioq-story.html



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Re: [AFMUG] Ot: covid tracing

[Bill Prince]

  
  
No. I am.


bp

On 11/24/2020 3:22 PM, Ken Hohhof
  wrote:


  
  
  
  
  
Yes.  I was the Last Starfighter.
 

  
From: AF
   On Behalf Of James
  Howard
  Sent: Tuesday, November 24, 2020 4:51 PM
  To: 'AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group'
  
  Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Ot: covid tracing
  

 
I seem to recall an X-Files episode about
  the alien nature of those scars you’re describing Ken…….  So
  you’re telling us you were abducted?
 

  
From: AF  On
Behalf Of Ken Hohhof
  Sent: Tuesday, November 24, 2020 4:00 PM
  To: 'AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group' 
  Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Ot: covid tracing
  

 
I, along with many people my age, have a
  coin sized scar on my upper arm from a smallpox vaccination as
  a kid.  They jabbed you multiple times with a needle, then you
  got a blister that turned into a scab that eventually fell off
  and left a scar.
 
People today are wusses.  Wow, I might feel
  a little off for a day or two if I get this vaccine, I think
  I’ll skip it and maybe die.  Or rely on everyone around me to
  get vaccinated and create “herd immunity”.
 
But you’re probably right.  That plus the
  anti-vaxxers, if only 50% of people get the vaccine (including
  the second shot) it’s going to keep circulating.
 
 

  
From: AF  On
Behalf Of Robert
  Sent: Tuesday, November 24, 2020 2:47 PM
  To: af@af.afmug.com
  Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Ot: covid tracing
  

 
This will be a
real issue for these vaccines..   

 https://gvwire.com/2020/11/23/doctors-say-side-effects-from-covid-vaccine-shots-wont-be-a-walk-in-the-park/

  On 11/24/20 7:59 AM, Ken Hohhof wrote:


  I read an article* saying some in China
who need a certificate to travel or work get both shots at
the same time, one in each arm.  Sure, why not.  We don’t
need it to actually work, do we?
  
 
  
  *add skepticism to taste
   
  

  From: AF 
On Behalf Of Bill Prince
Sent: Tuesday, November 24, 2020 9:43 AM
To: af@af.afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Ot: covid tracing

  
   
  All the vaccines so far require 2 doses to become
effective, and the numbers I heard were more like 20 million
per vaccine, so that's 60 million divided by 2, so 30
million. And that is going to mainly go to healthcare
workers and high risk.
  I don't expect things to turn around until March or so, and
that's only if a lot of people get vaccinated.
  The next vaccine in the barrel is the Johnson
one, and that's supposed to be a single dose.
   
  bp
  
  
On 11/24/2020 7:10 AM, Steve Jones
  wrote:
  
  

  With the three vaccines ready to roll
out 90 million inoculations in the US this year it may
be moot because kit production probably wont be able to
meet demand before we have herd vaccination in 2.5
months. But these new home test kits, assuming there is
any reliability to them, would have been the ideal
pairing with tracing. 
  
 
  
  
Testing is still being handled
  poorly on the local level. Our health department took
  a ton of money from the feds for testing, but the
  drive through they set up only has like a 25 test a
  day capacity, what a joke that is, will be interesting
  to see who all goes to jail here. CVS has drop off
  testing, but you have to do it through the website,
  and its aweful, my mom couldn't get hers because she
  has the wrong color Medicare card, whatever the hell
  that means. The wait at the big test center is 4 to 6
  hours. Not complaining about that one, they do massive
  volume because of all the jackleggery everywhere else.
  
  
Our hospital and many of the

Re: [AFMUG] OT - Trump to issue pardons

[Steve Jones]

Fox actually went to court to prove they werent journalists, so that
arguments out the window with your xenophobic anti immigrant trope

On Tue, Nov 24, 2020, 6:42 PM Jason McKemie <
j.mcke...@veloxinetbroadband.com> wrote:

> Mainstream news hasn't been anything other than entertainment
> loosely based on real life for quite some time before Drumpf.  Fox news has
> pretty much led the pack as far as that goes.
>
> On Tue, Nov 24, 2020 at 6:28 PM Steve Jones 
> wrote:
>
>> When trump is no longer potus whether that be 2 months, 4 years or 8
>> years, the media is going to have a major reckoning to deal with. Nobody
>> looks at them as legitimate journalists anymore so if they dont deliver the
>> hashtag soundbite that's expected of them, their ratings will drop well
>> below the obama days, the sponsor money will dry up. The likes of don
>> lemon, Rachel maddow, and the blond guy will be looking for work then the
>> networks try to recalibrate back to legitimate news.  Theyll end up nothing
>> more than guest hosts on Kimmel live during his last season.
>>
>> On Tue, Nov 24, 2020, 3:49 PM Ken Hohhof  wrote:
>>
>>> And then the media has to ruin it:
>>>
>>>
>>> https://www.politico.com/story/2018/11/20/trumps-turkey-pardon-isnt-much-of-a-pardon-at-all-985448
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> *From:* AF  *On Behalf Of *Steve Jones
>>> *Sent:* Monday, November 23, 2020 7:29 PM
>>> *To:* AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group 
>>> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] OT - Trump to issue pardons
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> I wouldn't put it past him to bring them out basted and a nice golden
>>> brown for the ceremony
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> On Mon, Nov 23, 2020, 6:36 PM Ken Hohhof  wrote:
>>>
>>>
>>> https://www.nydailynews.com/news/politics/us-elections-government/ny-thanksgiving-trump-turkey-20201123-amxs7uh6hvf55ncsrvshjbiioq-story.html
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Nice hotel room.
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Re: [AFMUG] OT - Trump to issue pardons

[Jason McKemie]

Mainstream news hasn't been anything other than entertainment loosely based
on real life for quite some time before Drumpf.  Fox news has pretty much
led the pack as far as that goes.

On Tue, Nov 24, 2020 at 6:28 PM Steve Jones 
wrote:

> When trump is no longer potus whether that be 2 months, 4 years or 8
> years, the media is going to have a major reckoning to deal with. Nobody
> looks at them as legitimate journalists anymore so if they dont deliver the
> hashtag soundbite that's expected of them, their ratings will drop well
> below the obama days, the sponsor money will dry up. The likes of don
> lemon, Rachel maddow, and the blond guy will be looking for work then the
> networks try to recalibrate back to legitimate news.  Theyll end up nothing
> more than guest hosts on Kimmel live during his last season.
>
> On Tue, Nov 24, 2020, 3:49 PM Ken Hohhof  wrote:
>
>> And then the media has to ruin it:
>>
>>
>> https://www.politico.com/story/2018/11/20/trumps-turkey-pardon-isnt-much-of-a-pardon-at-all-985448
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> *From:* AF  *On Behalf Of *Steve Jones
>> *Sent:* Monday, November 23, 2020 7:29 PM
>> *To:* AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group 
>> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] OT - Trump to issue pardons
>>
>>
>>
>> I wouldn't put it past him to bring them out basted and a nice golden
>> brown for the ceremony
>>
>>
>>
>> On Mon, Nov 23, 2020, 6:36 PM Ken Hohhof  wrote:
>>
>>
>> https://www.nydailynews.com/news/politics/us-elections-government/ny-thanksgiving-trump-turkey-20201123-amxs7uh6hvf55ncsrvshjbiioq-story.html
>>
>>
>>
>> Nice hotel room.
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Re: [AFMUG] OT - Trump to issue pardons

[Steve Jones]

When trump is no longer potus whether that be 2 months, 4 years or 8 years,
the media is going to have a major reckoning to deal with. Nobody looks at
them as legitimate journalists anymore so if they dont deliver the hashtag
soundbite that's expected of them, their ratings will drop well below the
obama days, the sponsor money will dry up. The likes of don lemon, Rachel
maddow, and the blond guy will be looking for work then the networks try to
recalibrate back to legitimate news.  Theyll end up nothing more than guest
hosts on Kimmel live during his last season.

On Tue, Nov 24, 2020, 3:49 PM Ken Hohhof  wrote:

> And then the media has to ruin it:
>
>
> https://www.politico.com/story/2018/11/20/trumps-turkey-pardon-isnt-much-of-a-pardon-at-all-985448
>
>
>
>
>
> *From:* AF  *On Behalf Of *Steve Jones
> *Sent:* Monday, November 23, 2020 7:29 PM
> *To:* AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group 
> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] OT - Trump to issue pardons
>
>
>
> I wouldn't put it past him to bring them out basted and a nice golden
> brown for the ceremony
>
>
>
> On Mon, Nov 23, 2020, 6:36 PM Ken Hohhof  wrote:
>
>
> https://www.nydailynews.com/news/politics/us-elections-government/ny-thanksgiving-trump-turkey-20201123-amxs7uh6hvf55ncsrvshjbiioq-story.html
>
>
>
> Nice hotel room.
>
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Re: [AFMUG] OT - Trump to issue pardons

[Ken Hohhof]

More on this story, turns out when he pardoned Peas and Carrots, Carrots lost 
the election but refused to concede and demanded a recount.  Can’t make this 
stuff up.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LedDTrWGWeg

 

 

From: AF  On Behalf Of Ken Hohhof
Sent: Tuesday, November 24, 2020 3:48 PM
To: 'AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group' 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT - Trump to issue pardons

 

And then the media has to ruin it:

https://www.politico.com/story/2018/11/20/trumps-turkey-pardon-isnt-much-of-a-pardon-at-all-985448

 

 

From: AF mailto:af-boun...@af.afmug.com> > On Behalf 
Of Steve Jones
Sent: Monday, November 23, 2020 7:29 PM
To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group mailto:af@af.afmug.com> >
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT - Trump to issue pardons

 

I wouldn't put it past him to bring them out basted and a nice golden brown for 
the ceremony

 

On Mon, Nov 23, 2020, 6:36 PM Ken Hohhof mailto:af...@kwisp.com> > wrote:

https://www.nydailynews.com/news/politics/us-elections-government/ny-thanksgiving-trump-turkey-20201123-amxs7uh6hvf55ncsrvshjbiioq-story.html

 

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Re: [AFMUG] Ot: covid tracing

[Steve Jones]

theyve been saying the side effect is comparable to a hangover since day
one. the media is just on a campaign to sow more chaos. theyll be doing
this nonsense til jan 21. the interviews with the people who actually took
it, you know, the ones who actually know said its not bad. but the media
will do everything it can to hype the shit out of it, already worked as
intended in robert

On Tue, Nov 24, 2020 at 4:01 PM Ken Hohhof  wrote:

> I, along with many people my age, have a coin sized scar on my upper arm
> from a smallpox vaccination as a kid.  They jabbed you multiple times with
> a needle, then you got a blister that turned into a scab that eventually
> fell off and left a scar.
>
>
>
> People today are wusses.  Wow, I might feel a little off for a day or two
> if I get this vaccine, I think I’ll skip it and maybe die.  Or rely on
> everyone around me to get vaccinated and create “herd immunity”.
>
>
>
> But you’re probably right.  That plus the anti-vaxxers, if only 50% of
> people get the vaccine (including the second shot) it’s going to keep
> circulating.
>
>
>
>
>
> *From:* AF  *On Behalf Of *Robert
> *Sent:* Tuesday, November 24, 2020 2:47 PM
> *To:* af@af.afmug.com
> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Ot: covid tracing
>
>
>
> This will be a real issue for these vaccines..
>
>
> https://gvwire.com/2020/11/23/doctors-say-side-effects-from-covid-vaccine-shots-wont-be-a-walk-in-the-park/
>
> On 11/24/20 7:59 AM, Ken Hohhof wrote:
>
> I read an article* saying some in China who need a certificate to travel
> or work get both shots at the same time, one in each arm.  Sure, why not.
> We don’t need it to actually work, do we?
>
>
>
> *add skepticism to taste
>
>
>
> *From:* AF   *On Behalf
> Of *Bill Prince
> *Sent:* Tuesday, November 24, 2020 9:43 AM
> *To:* af@af.afmug.com
> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Ot: covid tracing
>
>
>
> All the vaccines so far require 2 doses to become effective, and the
> numbers I heard were more like 20 million per vaccine, so that's 60 million
> divided by 2, so 30 million. And that is going to mainly go to healthcare
> workers and high risk.
>
> I don't expect things to turn around until March or so, and that's only if
> a lot of people get vaccinated.
>
> The next vaccine in the barrel is the Johnson one, and that's
> supposed to be a single dose.
>
>
>
> bp
>
> 
>
> On 11/24/2020 7:10 AM, Steve Jones wrote:
>
> With the three vaccines ready to roll out 90 million inoculations in the
> US this year it may be moot because kit production probably wont be able to
> meet demand before we have herd vaccination in 2.5 months. But these new
> home test kits, assuming there is any reliability to them, would have been
> the ideal pairing with tracing.
>
>
>
> Testing is still being handled poorly on the local level. Our health
> department took a ton of money from the feds for testing, but the drive
> through they set up only has like a 25 test a day capacity, what a joke
> that is, will be interesting to see who all goes to jail here. CVS has drop
> off testing, but you have to do it through the website, and its aweful, my
> mom couldn't get hers because she has the wrong color Medicare card,
> whatever the hell that means. The wait at the big test center is 4 to 6
> hours. Not complaining about that one, they do massive volume because of
> all the jackleggery everywhere else.
>
> Our hospital and many of the clinics have rapid tests but opt not to use
> them, instead ship them off.
>
> Lots and lots of prison sentences in the near future.
>
>
>
> The good thing about this, is unlike the swine flu utter disaster, we
> built out a very robust pandemic response system in a short period of time.
> This will be the model future pandemics are managed by after the post
> mortem. As long as the grifters spend decades in prison, the next time the
> systems will actually be utilized properly, it will be election proof
>
>
>
> On Tue, Nov 24, 2020, 8:34 AM Ken Hohhof  wrote:
>
> They should stop talking about contact tracing as if it's working, it only
> works if you have orders of magnitude less cases than we have now.
>
> There is the containment phase, mitigation phase, then who let the dogs
> out.  Guess which phase we're in.  At this point, contact tracing is pretty
> useless, even testing is of questionable use.  About all you can do if you
> test positive is self-isolate and tell your friends, family and coworkers.
> Even testing is questionable, mostly the people getting tested already
> suspect they have it.
>
> Steve is right that the states didn't ramp up contact tracing fast enough
> or successfully, but given the poor cooperation they got from people, I'm
> not sure how much it would have helped.  Now about all they can do is tell
> people to isolate and tell their contacts.  Thank you Capt. Obvious.  And
> like Steve says, the lag time makes even that pretty useless.
>
> If we were New Zealand, contact tracing would be great.  Or alternatively,
> a compliant surveillance society like 

Re: [AFMUG] Ot: covid tracing

[Ken Hohhof]

Yes.  I was the Last Starfighter.

 

From: AF  On Behalf Of James Howard
Sent: Tuesday, November 24, 2020 4:51 PM
To: 'AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group' 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Ot: covid tracing

 

I seem to recall an X-Files episode about the alien nature of those scars 
you’re describing Ken…….  So you’re telling us you were abducted?

 

From: AF mailto:af-boun...@af.afmug.com> > On Behalf 
Of Ken Hohhof
Sent: Tuesday, November 24, 2020 4:00 PM
To: 'AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group' mailto:af@af.afmug.com> >
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Ot: covid tracing

 

I, along with many people my age, have a coin sized scar on my upper arm from a 
smallpox vaccination as a kid.  They jabbed you multiple times with a needle, 
then you got a blister that turned into a scab that eventually fell off and 
left a scar.

 

People today are wusses.  Wow, I might feel a little off for a day or two if I 
get this vaccine, I think I’ll skip it and maybe die.  Or rely on everyone 
around me to get vaccinated and create “herd immunity”.

 

But you’re probably right.  That plus the anti-vaxxers, if only 50% of people 
get the vaccine (including the second shot) it’s going to keep circulating.

 

 

From: AF mailto:af-boun...@af.afmug.com> > On Behalf 
Of Robert
Sent: Tuesday, November 24, 2020 2:47 PM
To: af@af.afmug.com  
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Ot: covid tracing

 

This will be a real issue for these vaccines..   

 
https://gvwire.com/2020/11/23/doctors-say-side-effects-from-covid-vaccine-shots-wont-be-a-walk-in-the-park/

On 11/24/20 7:59 AM, Ken Hohhof wrote:

I read an article* saying some in China who need a certificate to travel or 
work get both shots at the same time, one in each arm.  Sure, why not.  We 
don’t need it to actually work, do we?

 

*add skepticism to taste

 

From: AF    On Behalf 
Of Bill Prince
Sent: Tuesday, November 24, 2020 9:43 AM
To: af@af.afmug.com  
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Ot: covid tracing

 

All the vaccines so far require 2 doses to become effective, and the numbers I 
heard were more like 20 million per vaccine, so that's 60 million divided by 2, 
so 30 million. And that is going to mainly go to healthcare workers and high 
risk.

I don't expect things to turn around until March or so, and that's only if a 
lot of people get vaccinated.

The next vaccine in the barrel is the Johnson one, and that's supposed 
to be a single dose.

 

bp


On 11/24/2020 7:10 AM, Steve Jones wrote:

With the three vaccines ready to roll out 90 million inoculations in the US 
this year it may be moot because kit production probably wont be able to meet 
demand before we have herd vaccination in 2.5 months. But these new home test 
kits, assuming there is any reliability to them, would have been the ideal 
pairing with tracing. 

 

Testing is still being handled poorly on the local level. Our health department 
took a ton of money from the feds for testing, but the drive through they set 
up only has like a 25 test a day capacity, what a joke that is, will be 
interesting to see who all goes to jail here. CVS has drop off testing, but you 
have to do it through the website, and its aweful, my mom couldn't get hers 
because she has the wrong color Medicare card, whatever the hell that means. 
The wait at the big test center is 4 to 6 hours. Not complaining about that 
one, they do massive volume because of all the jackleggery everywhere else.

Our hospital and many of the clinics have rapid tests but opt not to use them, 
instead ship them off. 

Lots and lots of prison sentences in the near future.

 

The good thing about this, is unlike the swine flu utter disaster, we built out 
a very robust pandemic response system in a short period of time. This will be 
the model future pandemics are managed by after the post mortem. As long as the 
grifters spend decades in prison, the next time the systems will actually be 
utilized properly, it will be election proof

 

On Tue, Nov 24, 2020, 8:34 AM Ken Hohhof mailto:af...@kwisp.com> > wrote:

They should stop talking about contact tracing as if it's working, it only 
works if you have orders of magnitude less cases than we have now.

There is the containment phase, mitigation phase, then who let the dogs out.  
Guess which phase we're in.  At this point, contact tracing is pretty useless, 
even testing is of questionable use.  About all you can do if you test positive 
is self-isolate and tell your friends, family and coworkers.  Even testing is 
questionable, mostly the people getting tested already suspect they have it.

Steve is right that the states didn't ramp up contact tracing fast enough or 
successfully, but given the poor cooperation they got from people, I'm not sure 
how much it would have helped.  Now about all they can do is tell people to 
isolate and tell their contacts.  Thank you Capt. Obvious.  And like Steve 
says, the lag time makes even that pretty useless.

If we were 

Re: [AFMUG] Ot: covid tracing

[James Howard]

I seem to recall an X-Files episode about the alien nature of those scars 
you’re describing Ken…….  So you’re telling us you were abducted?

From: AF  On Behalf Of Ken Hohhof
Sent: Tuesday, November 24, 2020 4:00 PM
To: 'AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group' 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Ot: covid tracing

I, along with many people my age, have a coin sized scar on my upper arm from a 
smallpox vaccination as a kid.  They jabbed you multiple times with a needle, 
then you got a blister that turned into a scab that eventually fell off and 
left a scar.

People today are wusses.  Wow, I might feel a little off for a day or two if I 
get this vaccine, I think I’ll skip it and maybe die.  Or rely on everyone 
around me to get vaccinated and create “herd immunity”.

But you’re probably right.  That plus the anti-vaxxers, if only 50% of people 
get the vaccine (including the second shot) it’s going to keep circulating.


From: AF mailto:af-boun...@af.afmug.com>> On Behalf Of 
Robert
Sent: Tuesday, November 24, 2020 2:47 PM
To: af@af.afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Ot: covid tracing

This will be a real issue for these vaccines..

 
https://gvwire.com/2020/11/23/doctors-say-side-effects-from-covid-vaccine-shots-wont-be-a-walk-in-the-park/
On 11/24/20 7:59 AM, Ken Hohhof wrote:
I read an article* saying some in China who need a certificate to travel or 
work get both shots at the same time, one in each arm.  Sure, why not.  We 
don’t need it to actually work, do we?

*add skepticism to taste

From: AF  On Behalf Of 
Bill Prince
Sent: Tuesday, November 24, 2020 9:43 AM
To: af@af.afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Ot: covid tracing


All the vaccines so far require 2 doses to become effective, and the numbers I 
heard were more like 20 million per vaccine, so that's 60 million divided by 2, 
so 30 million. And that is going to mainly go to healthcare workers and high 
risk.

I don't expect things to turn around until March or so, and that's only if a 
lot of people get vaccinated.

The next vaccine in the barrel is the Johnson one, and that's supposed 
to be a single dose.



bp


On 11/24/2020 7:10 AM, Steve Jones wrote:
With the three vaccines ready to roll out 90 million inoculations in the US 
this year it may be moot because kit production probably wont be able to meet 
demand before we have herd vaccination in 2.5 months. But these new home test 
kits, assuming there is any reliability to them, would have been the ideal 
pairing with tracing.

Testing is still being handled poorly on the local level. Our health department 
took a ton of money from the feds for testing, but the drive through they set 
up only has like a 25 test a day capacity, what a joke that is, will be 
interesting to see who all goes to jail here. CVS has drop off testing, but you 
have to do it through the website, and its aweful, my mom couldn't get hers 
because she has the wrong color Medicare card, whatever the hell that means. 
The wait at the big test center is 4 to 6 hours. Not complaining about that 
one, they do massive volume because of all the jackleggery everywhere else.
Our hospital and many of the clinics have rapid tests but opt not to use them, 
instead ship them off.
Lots and lots of prison sentences in the near future.

The good thing about this, is unlike the swine flu utter disaster, we built out 
a very robust pandemic response system in a short period of time. This will be 
the model future pandemics are managed by after the post mortem. As long as the 
grifters spend decades in prison, the next time the systems will actually be 
utilized properly, it will be election proof

On Tue, Nov 24, 2020, 8:34 AM Ken Hohhof 
mailto:af...@kwisp.com>> wrote:
They should stop talking about contact tracing as if it's working, it only 
works if you have orders of magnitude less cases than we have now.

There is the containment phase, mitigation phase, then who let the dogs out.  
Guess which phase we're in.  At this point, contact tracing is pretty useless, 
even testing is of questionable use.  About all you can do if you test positive 
is self-isolate and tell your friends, family and coworkers.  Even testing is 
questionable, mostly the people getting tested already suspect they have it.

Steve is right that the states didn't ramp up contact tracing fast enough or 
successfully, but given the poor cooperation they got from people, I'm not sure 
how much it would have helped.  Now about all they can do is tell people to 
isolate and tell their contacts.  Thank you Capt. Obvious.  And like Steve 
says, the lag time makes even that pretty useless.

If we were New Zealand, contact tracing would be great.  Or alternatively, a 
compliant surveillance society like China.


-Original Message-
From: AF mailto:af-boun...@af.afmug.com>> On Behalf Of 
Matt Hoppes
Sent: Tuesday, November 24, 2020 2:44 AM
To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group mailto:af@af.afmug.com>>

Re: [AFMUG] Utah monolith

[Ken Hohhof]

So you're saying it's a bidet?

 

From: AF  On Behalf Of Chuck McCown via AF
Sent: Tuesday, November 24, 2020 4:10 PM
To: 'AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group' 
Cc: Chuck McCown 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Utah monolith

 

There was a femur laying next to it and some chimp scat.  

 

From: AF [mailto:af-boun...@af.afmug.com] On Behalf Of Ken Hohhof
Sent: Tuesday, November 24, 2020 12:47 PM
To: 'AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group' mailto:af@af.afmug.com> >
Subject: [AFMUG] Utah monolith

 

So what's with the monolith in the Utah desert?  I'm seeing alliterative
headlines like "Mysterious Metal Monolith found in remote Utah desert".
Seems like something Jaime would post.  One of the articles said if it was
art, the laws don't allow anyone to install art in the desert, no matter
what planet they're from.

 

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covid-spreading 5G thing?  Or is this truly a monolith inspiring the next
phase of hominid evolution?

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Re: [AFMUG] Utah monolith

[Chuck McCown via AF]

There was a femur laying next to it and some chimp scat.  

 

From: AF [mailto:af-boun...@af.afmug.com] On Behalf Of Ken Hohhof
Sent: Tuesday, November 24, 2020 12:47 PM
To: 'AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group' 
Subject: [AFMUG] Utah monolith

 

So what's with the monolith in the Utah desert?  I'm seeing alliterative
headlines like "Mysterious Metal Monolith found in remote Utah desert".
Seems like something Jaime would post.  One of the articles said if it was
art, the laws don't allow anyone to install art in the desert, no matter
what planet they're from.

 

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Re: [AFMUG] Ot: covid tracing

[Ken Hohhof]

I, along with many people my age, have a coin sized scar on my upper arm from a 
smallpox vaccination as a kid.  They jabbed you multiple times with a needle, 
then you got a blister that turned into a scab that eventually fell off and 
left a scar.

 

People today are wusses.  Wow, I might feel a little off for a day or two if I 
get this vaccine, I think I’ll skip it and maybe die.  Or rely on everyone 
around me to get vaccinated and create “herd immunity”.

 

But you’re probably right.  That plus the anti-vaxxers, if only 50% of people 
get the vaccine (including the second shot) it’s going to keep circulating.

 

 

From: AF  On Behalf Of Robert
Sent: Tuesday, November 24, 2020 2:47 PM
To: af@af.afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Ot: covid tracing

 

This will be a real issue for these vaccines..   

 
https://gvwire.com/2020/11/23/doctors-say-side-effects-from-covid-vaccine-shots-wont-be-a-walk-in-the-park/

On 11/24/20 7:59 AM, Ken Hohhof wrote:

I read an article* saying some in China who need a certificate to travel or 
work get both shots at the same time, one in each arm.  Sure, why not.  We 
don’t need it to actually work, do we?

 

*add skepticism to taste

 

From: AF    On Behalf 
Of Bill Prince
Sent: Tuesday, November 24, 2020 9:43 AM
To: af@af.afmug.com  
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Ot: covid tracing

 

All the vaccines so far require 2 doses to become effective, and the numbers I 
heard were more like 20 million per vaccine, so that's 60 million divided by 2, 
so 30 million. And that is going to mainly go to healthcare workers and high 
risk.

I don't expect things to turn around until March or so, and that's only if a 
lot of people get vaccinated.

The next vaccine in the barrel is the Johnson one, and that's supposed 
to be a single dose.

 

bp


On 11/24/2020 7:10 AM, Steve Jones wrote:

With the three vaccines ready to roll out 90 million inoculations in the US 
this year it may be moot because kit production probably wont be able to meet 
demand before we have herd vaccination in 2.5 months. But these new home test 
kits, assuming there is any reliability to them, would have been the ideal 
pairing with tracing. 

 

Testing is still being handled poorly on the local level. Our health department 
took a ton of money from the feds for testing, but the drive through they set 
up only has like a 25 test a day capacity, what a joke that is, will be 
interesting to see who all goes to jail here. CVS has drop off testing, but you 
have to do it through the website, and its aweful, my mom couldn't get hers 
because she has the wrong color Medicare card, whatever the hell that means. 
The wait at the big test center is 4 to 6 hours. Not complaining about that 
one, they do massive volume because of all the jackleggery everywhere else.

Our hospital and many of the clinics have rapid tests but opt not to use them, 
instead ship them off. 

Lots and lots of prison sentences in the near future.

 

The good thing about this, is unlike the swine flu utter disaster, we built out 
a very robust pandemic response system in a short period of time. This will be 
the model future pandemics are managed by after the post mortem. As long as the 
grifters spend decades in prison, the next time the systems will actually be 
utilized properly, it will be election proof

 

On Tue, Nov 24, 2020, 8:34 AM Ken Hohhof mailto:af...@kwisp.com> > wrote:

They should stop talking about contact tracing as if it's working, it only 
works if you have orders of magnitude less cases than we have now.

There is the containment phase, mitigation phase, then who let the dogs out.  
Guess which phase we're in.  At this point, contact tracing is pretty useless, 
even testing is of questionable use.  About all you can do if you test positive 
is self-isolate and tell your friends, family and coworkers.  Even testing is 
questionable, mostly the people getting tested already suspect they have it.

Steve is right that the states didn't ramp up contact tracing fast enough or 
successfully, but given the poor cooperation they got from people, I'm not sure 
how much it would have helped.  Now about all they can do is tell people to 
isolate and tell their contacts.  Thank you Capt. Obvious.  And like Steve 
says, the lag time makes even that pretty useless.

If we were New Zealand, contact tracing would be great.  Or alternatively, a 
compliant surveillance society like China.


-Original Message-
From: AF mailto:af-boun...@af.afmug.com> > On Behalf 
Of Matt Hoppes
Sent: Tuesday, November 24, 2020 2:44 AM
To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group mailto:af@af.afmug.com> >
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Ot: covid tracing

Don’t be too relaxed with it. I have a friend who just collapsed in church on 
Sunday from Covid. 

Just singing along and his heart stopped. Perfectly healthy, outside active 
guy. 

They gave him CPR and last I knew he’s still alive in the hospital. 

He was a 

Re: [AFMUG] OT - Trump to issue pardons

[Ken Hohhof]

And then the media has to ruin it:

https://www.politico.com/story/2018/11/20/trumps-turkey-pardon-isnt-much-of-a-pardon-at-all-985448

 

 

From: AF  On Behalf Of Steve Jones
Sent: Monday, November 23, 2020 7:29 PM
To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT - Trump to issue pardons

 

I wouldn't put it past him to bring them out basted and a nice golden brown for 
the ceremony

 

On Mon, Nov 23, 2020, 6:36 PM Ken Hohhof mailto:af...@kwisp.com> > wrote:

https://www.nydailynews.com/news/politics/us-elections-government/ny-thanksgiving-trump-turkey-20201123-amxs7uh6hvf55ncsrvshjbiioq-story.html

 

Nice hotel room.

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Re: [AFMUG] Ot: covid tracing

[Robert]

This will be a real issue for these vaccines..

 
https://gvwire.com/2020/11/23/doctors-say-side-effects-from-covid-vaccine-shots-wont-be-a-walk-in-the-park/

On 11/24/20 7:59 AM, Ken Hohhof wrote:


I read an article* saying some in China who need a certificate to 
travel or work get both shots at the same time, one in each arm.  
Sure, why not.  We don’t need it to actually work, do we?


*add skepticism to taste

*From:* AF  *On Behalf Of *Bill Prince
*Sent:* Tuesday, November 24, 2020 9:43 AM
*To:* af@af.afmug.com
*Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Ot: covid tracing

All the vaccines so far require 2 doses to become effective, and the 
numbers I heard were more like 20 million per vaccine, so that's 60 
million divided by 2, so 30 million. And that is going to mainly go to 
healthcare workers and high risk.


I don't expect things to turn around until March or so, and that's 
only if a lot of people get vaccinated.


The next vaccine in the barrel is the Johnson one, and that's 
supposed to be a single dose.


bp


On 11/24/2020 7:10 AM, Steve Jones wrote:

With the three vaccines ready to roll out 90 million inoculations
in the US this year it may be moot because kit production probably
wont be able to meet demand before we have herd vaccination in 2.5
months. But these new home test kits, assuming there is any
reliability to them, would have been the ideal pairing with tracing.

Testing is still being handled poorly on the local level. Our
health department took a ton of money from the feds for testing,
but the drive through they set up only has like a 25 test a day
capacity, what a joke that is, will be interesting to see who all
goes to jail here. CVS has drop off testing, but you have to do it
through the website, and its aweful, my mom couldn't get hers
because she has the wrong color Medicare card, whatever the hell
that means. The wait at the big test center is 4 to 6 hours. Not
complaining about that one, they do massive volume because of all
the jackleggery everywhere else.

Our hospital and many of the clinics have rapid tests but opt not
to use them, instead ship them off.

Lots and lots of prison sentences in the near future.

The good thing about this, is unlike the swine flu utter disaster,
we built out a very robust pandemic response system in a short
period of time. This will be the model future pandemics are
managed by after the post mortem. As long as the grifters spend
decades in prison, the next time the systems will actually be
utilized properly, it will be election proof

On Tue, Nov 24, 2020, 8:34 AM Ken Hohhof mailto:af...@kwisp.com>> wrote:

They should stop talking about contact tracing as if it's
working, it only works if you have orders of magnitude less
cases than we have now.

There is the containment phase, mitigation phase, then who let
the dogs out.  Guess which phase we're in.  At this point,
contact tracing is pretty useless, even testing is of
questionable use.  About all you can do if you test positive
is self-isolate and tell your friends, family and coworkers. 
Even testing is questionable, mostly the people getting tested
already suspect they have it.

Steve is right that the states didn't ramp up contact tracing
fast enough or successfully, but given the poor cooperation
they got from people, I'm not sure how much it would have
helped.  Now about all they can do is tell people to isolate
and tell their contacts.  Thank you Capt. Obvious.  And like
Steve says, the lag time makes even that pretty useless.

If we were New Zealand, contact tracing would be great. Or
alternatively, a compliant surveillance society like China.


-Original Message-
From: AF mailto:af-boun...@af.afmug.com>> On Behalf Of Matt Hoppes
Sent: Tuesday, November 24, 2020 2:44 AM
To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group mailto:af@af.afmug.com>>
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Ot: covid tracing

Don’t be too relaxed with it. I have a friend who just
collapsed in church on Sunday from Covid.

Just singing along and his heart stopped. Perfectly healthy,
outside active guy.

They gave him CPR and last I knew he’s still alive in the
hospital.

He was a staunch anti masker.

This is a very serious disease and needs to be treated as such.

> On Nov 24, 2020, at 12:54 AM, Steve Jones
mailto:thatoneguyst...@gmail.com>>
wrote:
>
> 
> What a let down this was. Turns out tracing is a joke. First
off, they dont even make contact with the positive test for 3
to 5 days even though the money was for within 24 hours. So it
essentially pointless as far as stopping the spread.
> They dont ask for much 

Re: [AFMUG] Utah monolith

[Jaime Solorza]

In all their travels throughout the galaxies they never found anything more
precious than Mind ...but they skipped Earth.

On Tue, Nov 24, 2020, 1:26 PM Bill Prince  wrote:

> I pick R (the next one after Q).
>
> bp
> 
>
> On 11/24/2020 12:22 PM, Lewis Bergman wrote:
>
> While interesting, it screws up the natural scenery. There isn't a whole
> lot you can do to improve the big guy upstairs. Or girl, or whatever letter
> you want to assign them.
>
> On Tue, Nov 24, 2020 at 2:04 PM Bruce Robertson  wrote:
>
>> It can't be related to 2001.  Its dimensions clearly aren't 1x4x9.
>>
>> On 11/24/20 11:57 AM, Bill Prince wrote:
>>
>> My vote is for someone's art project.
>>
>> OTOH, maybe it's from Hugo Chavez.
>>
>> [image: The metal monolith found in a remote part of Utah.]
>>
>> bp
>> 
>>
>> On 11/24/2020 11:47 AM, Ken Hohhof wrote:
>>
>> So what’s with the monolith in the Utah desert?  I’m seeing alliterative
>> headlines like “Mysterious Metal Monolith found in remote Utah desert”.
>> Seems like something Jaime would post.  One of the articles said if it was
>> art, the laws don’t allow anyone to install art in the desert, no matter
>> what planet they’re from.
>>
>>
>>
>> Chuck, are you testing big panel antennas?  Some kind of cancer-causing
>> covid-spreading 5G thing?  Or is this truly a monolith inspiring the next
>> phase of hominid evolution?
>>
>> !DSPAM:5fbd65d45241663318612!
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Re: [AFMUG] Utah monolith

[Bill Prince]

  
  
I pick R (the next one after Q).

bp

On 11/24/2020 12:22 PM, Lewis Bergman
  wrote:


  
  While interesting, it screws up the natural
scenery. There isn't a whole lot you can do to improve the big
guy upstairs. Or girl, or whatever letter you want to assign
them.
  
  
On Tue, Nov 24, 2020 at 2:04
  PM Bruce Robertson  wrote:


   It can't be related to 2001.  Its dimensions clearly
aren't 1x4x9.

On 11/24/20 11:57 AM, Bill Prince wrote:


  My vote is for someone's art project.
  OTOH, maybe it's from Hugo Chavez.
  
  bp

  On 11/24/2020 11:47 AM, Ken Hohhof wrote:
  
  

  So what’s with the monolith in
the Utah desert?  I’m seeing alliterative headlines
like “Mysterious Metal Monolith found in remote Utah
desert”.  Seems like something Jaime would post. 
One of the articles said if it was art, the laws
don’t allow anyone to install art in the desert, no
matter what planet they’re from.
   
  Chuck, are you testing big panel
antennas?  Some kind of cancer-causing
covid-spreading 5G thing?  Or is this truly a
monolith inspiring the next phase of hominid
evolution?



  
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Re: [AFMUG] Utah monolith

[Lewis Bergman]

While interesting, it screws up the natural scenery. There isn't a whole
lot you can do to improve the big guy upstairs. Or girl, or whatever letter
you want to assign them.

On Tue, Nov 24, 2020 at 2:04 PM Bruce Robertson  wrote:

> It can't be related to 2001.  Its dimensions clearly aren't 1x4x9.
>
> On 11/24/20 11:57 AM, Bill Prince wrote:
>
> My vote is for someone's art project.
>
> OTOH, maybe it's from Hugo Chavez.
>
> [image: The metal monolith found in a remote part of Utah.]
>
> bp
> 
>
> On 11/24/2020 11:47 AM, Ken Hohhof wrote:
>
> So what’s with the monolith in the Utah desert?  I’m seeing alliterative
> headlines like “Mysterious Metal Monolith found in remote Utah desert”.
> Seems like something Jaime would post.  One of the articles said if it was
> art, the laws don’t allow anyone to install art in the desert, no matter
> what planet they’re from.
>
>
>
> Chuck, are you testing big panel antennas?  Some kind of cancer-causing
> covid-spreading 5G thing?  Or is this truly a monolith inspiring the next
> phase of hominid evolution?
>
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Re: [AFMUG] Utah monolith

[Bruce Robertson]

It can't be related to 2001.  Its dimensions clearly aren't 1x4x9.

On 11/24/20 11:57 AM, Bill Prince wrote:


My vote is for someone's art project.

OTOH, maybe it's from Hugo Chavez.

The metal monolith found in a remote part of Utah.

bp

On 11/24/2020 11:47 AM, Ken Hohhof wrote:


So what’s with the monolith in the Utah desert?  I’m seeing 
alliterative headlines like “Mysterious Metal Monolith found in 
remote Utah desert”.  Seems like something Jaime would post.  One of 
the articles said if it was art, the laws don’t allow anyone to 
install art in the desert, no matter what planet they’re from.


Chuck, are you testing big panel antennas?  Some kind of 
cancer-causing covid-spreading 5G thing?  Or is this truly a monolith 
inspiring the next phase of hominid evolution?




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Re: [AFMUG] Utah monolith

[Cassidy B. Larson]

Someone has already posted the location on reddit.  Apparently there’s a 4 
wheeler trail nearby.
Not as “remote” as they made it sound. 

> On Nov 24, 2020, at 12:57 PM, Bill Prince  wrote:
> 
> My vote is for someone's art project.
> 
> OTOH, maybe it's from Hugo Chavez.
> 
> 
> 
> bp
> 
> On 11/24/2020 11:47 AM, Ken Hohhof wrote:
>> So what’s with the monolith in the Utah desert?  I’m seeing alliterative 
>> headlines like “Mysterious Metal Monolith found in remote Utah desert”.  
>> Seems like something Jaime would post.  One of the articles said if it was 
>> art, the laws don’t allow anyone to install art in the desert, no matter 
>> what planet they’re from.
>>  
>> Chuck, are you testing big panel antennas?  Some kind of cancer-causing 
>> covid-spreading 5G thing?  Or is this truly a monolith inspiring the next 
>> phase of hominid evolution?
>> 
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Re: [AFMUG] Utah monolith

[Bill Prince]

  
  
My vote is for someone's art project.
OTOH, maybe it's from Hugo Chavez.

bp

On 11/24/2020 11:47 AM, Ken Hohhof
  wrote:


  
  
  
  
So what’s with the monolith in the Utah
  desert?  I’m seeing alliterative headlines like “Mysterious
  Metal Monolith found in remote Utah desert”.  Seems like
  something Jaime would post.  One of the articles said if it
  was art, the laws don’t allow anyone to install art in the
  desert, no matter what planet they’re from.
 
Chuck, are you testing big panel antennas? 
  Some kind of cancer-causing covid-spreading 5G thing?  Or is
  this truly a monolith inspiring the next phase of hominid
  evolution?
  
  
  

  


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Re: [AFMUG] Utah monolith

[Steve Jones]

it looks pretty cool. the pilot and other guys seemed to have fun with it.
I think its their DNR put out a funny little video.
I hope they never identify the exact location of it, trendy tourists will
show up with litter and spray paint acab on it, best to leave that little
gem alone

On Tue, Nov 24, 2020 at 1:47 PM Ken Hohhof  wrote:

> So what’s with the monolith in the Utah desert?  I’m seeing alliterative
> headlines like “Mysterious Metal Monolith found in remote Utah desert”.
> Seems like something Jaime would post.  One of the articles said if it was
> art, the laws don’t allow anyone to install art in the desert, no matter
> what planet they’re from.
>
>
>
> Chuck, are you testing big panel antennas?  Some kind of cancer-causing
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> phase of hominid evolution?
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[AFMUG] Utah monolith

[Ken Hohhof]

So what's with the monolith in the Utah desert?  I'm seeing alliterative
headlines like "Mysterious Metal Monolith found in remote Utah desert".
Seems like something Jaime would post.  One of the articles said if it was
art, the laws don't allow anyone to install art in the desert, no matter
what planet they're from.

 

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Re: [AFMUG] [ External ] Re: Cambium PMP v20

[dmmoffett]

Very interesting, thanks for the info.Sent from my Verizon, Samsung Galaxy 
smartphone
 Original message From: Aaron Schneider via AF 
 Date: 11/24/20  12:32 PM  (GMT-05:00) To: AnimalFarm 
Microwave Users Group  Cc: Aaron Schneider 
 Subject: Re: [AFMUG] [ External ] Re:  
Cambium PMP v20 

Hi Adam, 
 
The “Zoom Meetings”, or “Zoom QoS” part of this example is an example of what 
this could be used for.  And in the coming days and weeks, Cambium will be 
announcing a bit more in that regard.
 
The main point of this feature is to simplify DSCP config, as well as, more 
importantly, take care of the return traffic problem.  DiffServ only works if 
the traffic is properly marked, either the DSCP/ToS bits in the IP header, or 
the
 802.1p field of VLAN tags.  In the uplink, that is pretty straightforward to 
accomplish, but the return path may not always be properly marked, and so you 
have a mismatch of prioritization of traffic in both directions.   This feature 
will track the connections
 matching this configuration in the upstream so that when the return traffic 
comes, it can be properly restored to the matching DSCP and priority in the 
downstream.
 
The other part of this, as it pertains to things like Zoom Meetings, or Teams 
Meetings, etc, is getting the originating traffic onto a desired codepoint.  
There are ways to do that, but there is an update coming for our cnPilot series 
(starting
 with the WiFi 6 gear) that will be able to identify the traffic via DPI and 
get it onto a desired DSCP in the uplink.  Here is a link for a way to do it in 
Windows 10 applying a QoS policy to zoom.exe directly: 
https://support.zoom.us/hc/en-us/articles/207368756-QoS-DSCP-Marking.
 
Another benefit of this, is that it is configured per subscriber, so 
theoretically you can have different priority experiences for different 
customers whereas today, with the single DSCP config on the AP for the 
downlink, that would apply
 to all downlink traffic.  And another thing is that it is a dynamic 
configuration, so it essentially acts as an overlay to the device’s DSCP 
configuration.  So this allows you to have virtual DSCP mappings on the AP per 
subscriber rather than a single config
 for all subscribers.  
 
 
The basic reason for the feature is to handle properly prioritizing the return 
traffic if we configured it as a DSCP worth preserving in both directions.  And 
for Zoom, it makes a noticeable difference in video and audio quality when this
 is enabled and there is a lot of other background traffic on the link.  I see 
that the release notes didn’t include a bit of the background information I had 
originally supplied, so we’ll look to get some of that added back in.   One 
important thing to recall
 is this:
 

Please note that this feature is closely related to both DiffServ as well as 
each SM's number of enabled Data channels.  While this feature allows for 
setting Low, Medium, High
 and Ultra High options, it will only work if the proper number of data 
channels are configured.  Otherwise, the QoS to Data Channel mapping will 
operate in the same way it does today with mapping of ToS to Data Channels:

1 Priority Level Enabled, ToS 0-7 goes over single, Low priority Data Channel 
(DC)

2 Priority Levels Enabled:  ToS 0-3 (Low and Medium) goes over Low DC, 4-7 
(High and Ultra High) goes over High DC

3 Priority Levels Enabled:  ToS 0-1 (Low) goes over Low DC, 2-3 (Medium) goes 
over Medium DC, 4-7 (High and Ultra High) goes over High Priority DC

4 Priority Levels Enabled: ToS 0-1 (Low) goes over Low DC, 2-3 (Medium) goes 
over Medium DC, 4-5 (High) goes over High DC, and 6-7 (Ultra High) goes over 
Ultra High DC.
 
 
Also, note that this is also an option on the PTP 450x devices, but there, 
since there is no presumed “uplink” device, you will have to configure what 
role the BHM is playing in your network topology.  Otherwise, the operation is 
very similar. 
 The configuration is always on the BHM, but the tracking and statistics will 
be on whatever device is the “Uplink” device, as that is the one that has to 
restore DSCP in the downstream direction.
 
Regards, and Happy Thanksgiving to everyone!
 
Aaron
 
 
 


From: AF  On Behalf Of 
Adam Moffett
Sent: Tuesday, November 24, 2020 4:31 AM
To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group 
Subject: [ External ] Re: [AFMUG] Cambium PMP v20


 
Wait, false alarm. This example in the manual confused me.  Zoom was just a 
text description for DSCP 45.  It's not obvious to me what this feature does 
that the existing DiffServ feature didn't do.
 

 
 

On 11/24/2020 5:19 AM, Adam Moffett wrote:


Did anybody notice that software release 20.0 has a feature to give Zoom high 
priority?





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Re: [AFMUG] Source for 2x M-TOW-P-24

[Chuck McCown via AF]

I have considered adding a small galvanizing pot.  I will probably continue to 
“consider” it.  They take lots of energy, lots of baths of cleaning and 
pickling stuff that probably are hazardous waste.  Sure would be handy though.  

 

I did add a water jet a month ago.  Should have done that years ago.  More 
accurate than plasma, no heat affected zone.  Can cut really thick stuff and 
can cut anything, glass, stone, toilet paper.  We do some race car parts for 
the local race track.  We cut down some brake pads with it the other day.  So 
much cleaner than machining.  

 

Great for one off sheet metal parts that are very accurate.  If I was doing it 
all over again, I would have gotten the water jet first before the plasma.  

We are tweaking it, so far we can hold about .010” but sneaking up on .005”.  
It has a tiny bit of taper on thick stuff but we think we can get the taper 
down to .005” on a 1” thick part.  

 

From: AF [mailto:af-boun...@af.afmug.com] On Behalf Of Ken Hohhof
Sent: Tuesday, November 24, 2020 10:22 AM
To: 'AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group' 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Source for 2x M-TOW-P-24

 

They sell a lot of name brand safety, climbing and rigging supplies.  But yes 
most of their tower steel is their own Valmont stuff.  Sitepro1 I think 
basically started out as Valmont’s online store.  I believe they also own PiRod 
Towers.

 

There was also Connect-It Wireless (ciwireless.com) in Florida which 
manufactured a lot of similar galvanized steel products, but Valmont bought 
them.

 

 

From: AF mailto:af-boun...@af.afmug.com> > On Behalf 
Of Chuck McCown via AF
Sent: Tuesday, November 24, 2020 10:32 AM
To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group mailto:af@af.afmug.com> >
Cc: Chuck McCown mailto:ch...@go-mtc.com> >
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Source for 2x M-TOW-P-24

 

It is their own stuff (Valmont)  as far as the steel stuff goes.  They own 
massive galvanization plants which gives them a pretty good advantage cost 
wise.  

 

From: Steve Jones 

Sent: Tuesday, November 24, 2020 9:28 AM

To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group 

Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Source for 2x M-TOW-P-24

 

Is sitepro stuff all their own stuff or are they resale? Can they carry McCown 
tech goods? Or do they require massive volume? IIRC they are shipping rapists 
though

 

On Tue, Nov 24, 2020, 10:16 AM Josh Luthman mailto:j...@imaginenetworksllc.com> > wrote:

OK, I'll be patient and wait another 2-3 weeks to hit that 8 week + shipping 
mark.


 

Josh Luthman
24/7 Help Desk: 937-552-2340
Direct: 937-552-2343
1100 Wayne St
Suite 1337
Troy, OH 45373

 

 

On Tue, Nov 24, 2020 at 10:12 AM Chuck McCown mailto:ch...@go-mtc.com> > wrote:

Streakwave is pretty much the only distributor that has significant quantities 
of steel stuff on their shelf.  Everyone else tries to drop ship and that only 
works if I happen to have stock.  Usually I have to build the drop ship orders 
which is a minimum of 2 weeks and can be as much as 8 weeks.  I offer to 
virtual warehouse and fulfill for them but none of the rest want to use that 
option.  All of our stuff is modular so we do large quantities of the common 
parts.  

Sent from my iPhone

 

On Nov 24, 2020, at 7:56 AM, Josh Luthman mailto:j...@imaginenetworksllc.com> > wrote:

 

Woof.  Hopefully they come in soon. 

 

In our case we don't bother with the MTOW6 any more.  The MTOW10 is better 
functionally and I think the same price, or at least close enough that it makes 
no sense for us to stock two sizes.

 

2/3/4 Pipes I think make sense, but I've done exclusively, or nearly, 2 foot 
pipes.

 

Josh Luthman
24/7 Help Desk: 937-552-2340
Direct: 937-552-2343
1100 Wayne St
Suite 1337
Troy, OH 45373

 

 

On Tue, Nov 24, 2020 at 9:51 AM Chuck McCown mailto:ch...@go-mtc.com> > wrote:

Up to 8 weeks depending on how backed up the galvanized is.

Sent from my iPhone

 

On Nov 24, 2020, at 6:18 AM, Josh Luthman mailto:j...@imaginenetworksllc.com> > wrote:

 

Right but when it's 6 weeks short?  How can you simply not have stock for so 
long.  And it seems like no one has them now, so how long is the build from 
order to ship?

 

On Mon, Nov 23, 2020, 7:16 PM Chuck McCown via AF mailto:af@af.afmug.com> > wrote:

I honestly don’t know why there is ever a shortage of our products other than 
distributors not placing large enough stocking orders.  

It isn’t rocket surgery to keep track of your run rates and look for trends.  
But inventory is cash sitting on the shelf.  I do understand.  

But I am still going to keep building to order rather than to forecast.  

 

From: AF [mailto:af-boun...@af.afmug.com] On Behalf Of Ken Hohhof
Sent: Monday, November 23, 2020 4:47 PM
To: 'AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group' mailto:af@af.afmug.com> >
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Source for 2x M-TOW-P-24

 

I saw that some doctor was saying that politicizing face masks was like 
politicizing toilet paper.

 

Maybe that’s your answer.  Convince half the people to refuse to use TP.  Then 
there will be 

Re: [AFMUG] Source for 2x M-TOW-P-24

[Ken Hohhof]

They sell a lot of name brand safety, climbing and rigging supplies.  But yes 
most of their tower steel is their own Valmont stuff.  Sitepro1 I think 
basically started out as Valmont’s online store.  I believe they also own PiRod 
Towers.

 

There was also Connect-It Wireless (ciwireless.com) in Florida which 
manufactured a lot of similar galvanized steel products, but Valmont bought 
them.

 

 

From: AF  On Behalf Of Chuck McCown via AF
Sent: Tuesday, November 24, 2020 10:32 AM
To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group 
Cc: Chuck McCown 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Source for 2x M-TOW-P-24

 

It is their own stuff (Valmont)  as far as the steel stuff goes.  They own 
massive galvanization plants which gives them a pretty good advantage cost 
wise.  

 

From: Steve Jones 

Sent: Tuesday, November 24, 2020 9:28 AM

To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group 

Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Source for 2x M-TOW-P-24

 

Is sitepro stuff all their own stuff or are they resale? Can they carry McCown 
tech goods? Or do they require massive volume? IIRC they are shipping rapists 
though

 

On Tue, Nov 24, 2020, 10:16 AM Josh Luthman mailto:j...@imaginenetworksllc.com> > wrote:

OK, I'll be patient and wait another 2-3 weeks to hit that 8 week + shipping 
mark.


 

Josh Luthman
24/7 Help Desk: 937-552-2340
Direct: 937-552-2343
1100 Wayne St
Suite 1337
Troy, OH 45373

 

 

On Tue, Nov 24, 2020 at 10:12 AM Chuck McCown mailto:ch...@go-mtc.com> > wrote:

Streakwave is pretty much the only distributor that has significant quantities 
of steel stuff on their shelf.  Everyone else tries to drop ship and that only 
works if I happen to have stock.  Usually I have to build the drop ship orders 
which is a minimum of 2 weeks and can be as much as 8 weeks.  I offer to 
virtual warehouse and fulfill for them but none of the rest want to use that 
option.  All of our stuff is modular so we do large quantities of the common 
parts.  

Sent from my iPhone





On Nov 24, 2020, at 7:56 AM, Josh Luthman mailto:j...@imaginenetworksllc.com> > wrote:

 

Woof.  Hopefully they come in soon. 

 

In our case we don't bother with the MTOW6 any more.  The MTOW10 is better 
functionally and I think the same price, or at least close enough that it makes 
no sense for us to stock two sizes.

 

2/3/4 Pipes I think make sense, but I've done exclusively, or nearly, 2 foot 
pipes.

 

Josh Luthman
24/7 Help Desk: 937-552-2340
Direct: 937-552-2343
1100 Wayne St
Suite 1337
Troy, OH 45373

 

 

On Tue, Nov 24, 2020 at 9:51 AM Chuck McCown mailto:ch...@go-mtc.com> > wrote:

Up to 8 weeks depending on how backed up the galvanized is.

Sent from my iPhone





On Nov 24, 2020, at 6:18 AM, Josh Luthman mailto:j...@imaginenetworksllc.com> > wrote:

 

Right but when it's 6 weeks short?  How can you simply not have stock for so 
long.  And it seems like no one has them now, so how long is the build from 
order to ship?

 

On Mon, Nov 23, 2020, 7:16 PM Chuck McCown via AF mailto:af@af.afmug.com> > wrote:

I honestly don’t know why there is ever a shortage of our products other than 
distributors not placing large enough stocking orders.  

It isn’t rocket surgery to keep track of your run rates and look for trends.  
But inventory is cash sitting on the shelf.  I do understand.  

But I am still going to keep building to order rather than to forecast.  

 

From: AF [mailto:af-boun...@af.afmug.com] On Behalf Of Ken Hohhof
Sent: Monday, November 23, 2020 4:47 PM
To: 'AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group' mailto:af@af.afmug.com> >
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Source for 2x M-TOW-P-24

 

I saw that some doctor was saying that politicizing face masks was like 
politicizing toilet paper.

 

Maybe that’s your answer.  Convince half the people to refuse to use TP.  Then 
there will be plenty for us.

 

My local grocery store has an entire aisle of the Northern Quilted 3-ply Ultra 
Plush, it’s like Kleenex for your butt.  Except they are all the Maxi rolls.  I 
need someone to use half of each roll and then send them to me.  Those giant 
rolls are like the rolls of paper you see on newspaper printing presses.  I 
have to set them on the vanity top because they don’t fit in the roll holder on 
the wall, and with all the hand washing we’re supposed to be doing, you risk a 
full roll of toilet paper getting wet.

 

I suppose I could mount an M-TOW to the wall as a toilet paper roll holder.  
Except everybody’s out of M-TOWs.  (actually I saw a couple on eBay.  Regular 
M-TOWs, not the P version.)

 

From: AF mailto:af-boun...@af.afmug.com> > On Behalf 
Of Steve Jones
Sent: Monday, November 23, 2020 4:49 PM
To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group mailto:af@af.afmug.com> >
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Source for 2x M-TOW-P-24

 

Ive been getting my TP at a janitorial supply here in town through this whole 
thing, 48 rolls at a time, cheaper than walmart, really soft without leaving 
any furballs. Theyve had that, sanitizer, masks, etc throughout. People are 
weird. Imma cut some people when i 

Re: [AFMUG] Source for 2x M-TOW-P-24

[Chuck McCown via AF]

If they wanted to they would just knock off all my stuff.  

 

From: AF [mailto:af-boun...@af.afmug.com] On Behalf Of Steve Jones
Sent: Tuesday, November 24, 2020 9:41 AM
To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Source for 2x M-TOW-P-24

 

maybe you lease your designs to them and sit back, collect royalties when your 
not diving into your piles of gold coins like scrooge mcduck?

 

On Tue, Nov 24, 2020 at 10:32 AM Chuck McCown via AF mailto:af@af.afmug.com> > wrote:

It is their own stuff (Valmont)  as far as the steel stuff goes.  They own 
massive galvanization plants which gives them a pretty good advantage cost 
wise.  

 

From: Steve Jones 

Sent: Tuesday, November 24, 2020 9:28 AM

To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group 

Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Source for 2x M-TOW-P-24

 

Is sitepro stuff all their own stuff or are they resale? Can they carry McCown 
tech goods? Or do they require massive volume? IIRC they are shipping rapists 
though

 

On Tue, Nov 24, 2020, 10:16 AM Josh Luthman mailto:j...@imaginenetworksllc.com> > wrote:

OK, I'll be patient and wait another 2-3 weeks to hit that 8 week + shipping 
mark.


 

Josh Luthman
24/7 Help Desk: 937-552-2340
Direct: 937-552-2343
1100 Wayne St
Suite 1337
Troy, OH 45373

 

 

On Tue, Nov 24, 2020 at 10:12 AM Chuck McCown mailto:ch...@go-mtc.com> > wrote:

Streakwave is pretty much the only distributor that has significant quantities 
of steel stuff on their shelf.  Everyone else tries to drop ship and that only 
works if I happen to have stock.  Usually I have to build the drop ship orders 
which is a minimum of 2 weeks and can be as much as 8 weeks.  I offer to 
virtual warehouse and fulfill for them but none of the rest want to use that 
option.  All of our stuff is modular so we do large quantities of the common 
parts.  

Sent from my iPhone





On Nov 24, 2020, at 7:56 AM, Josh Luthman mailto:j...@imaginenetworksllc.com> > wrote:

 

Woof.  Hopefully they come in soon. 

 

In our case we don't bother with the MTOW6 any more.  The MTOW10 is better 
functionally and I think the same price, or at least close enough that it makes 
no sense for us to stock two sizes.

 

2/3/4 Pipes I think make sense, but I've done exclusively, or nearly, 2 foot 
pipes.

 

Josh Luthman
24/7 Help Desk: 937-552-2340
Direct: 937-552-2343
1100 Wayne St
Suite 1337
Troy, OH 45373

 

 

On Tue, Nov 24, 2020 at 9:51 AM Chuck McCown mailto:ch...@go-mtc.com> > wrote:

Up to 8 weeks depending on how backed up the galvanized is.

Sent from my iPhone





On Nov 24, 2020, at 6:18 AM, Josh Luthman mailto:j...@imaginenetworksllc.com> > wrote:

 

Right but when it's 6 weeks short?  How can you simply not have stock for so 
long.  And it seems like no one has them now, so how long is the build from 
order to ship?

 

On Mon, Nov 23, 2020, 7:16 PM Chuck McCown via AF mailto:af@af.afmug.com> > wrote:

I honestly don’t know why there is ever a shortage of our products other than 
distributors not placing large enough stocking orders.  

It isn’t rocket surgery to keep track of your run rates and look for trends.  
But inventory is cash sitting on the shelf.  I do understand.  

But I am still going to keep building to order rather than to forecast.  

 

From: AF [mailto:af-boun...@af.afmug.com] On Behalf Of Ken Hohhof
Sent: Monday, November 23, 2020 4:47 PM
To: 'AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group' mailto:af@af.afmug.com> >
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Source for 2x M-TOW-P-24

 

I saw that some doctor was saying that politicizing face masks was like 
politicizing toilet paper.

 

Maybe that’s your answer.  Convince half the people to refuse to use TP.  Then 
there will be plenty for us.

 

My local grocery store has an entire aisle of the Northern Quilted 3-ply Ultra 
Plush, it’s like Kleenex for your butt.  Except they are all the Maxi rolls.  I 
need someone to use half of each roll and then send them to me.  Those giant 
rolls are like the rolls of paper you see on newspaper printing presses.  I 
have to set them on the vanity top because they don’t fit in the roll holder on 
the wall, and with all the hand washing we’re supposed to be doing, you risk a 
full roll of toilet paper getting wet.

 

I suppose I could mount an M-TOW to the wall as a toilet paper roll holder.  
Except everybody’s out of M-TOWs.  (actually I saw a couple on eBay.  Regular 
M-TOWs, not the P version.)

 

From: AF mailto:af-boun...@af.afmug.com> > On Behalf 
Of Steve Jones
Sent: Monday, November 23, 2020 4:49 PM
To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group mailto:af@af.afmug.com> >
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Source for 2x M-TOW-P-24

 

Ive been getting my TP at a janitorial supply here in town through this whole 
thing, 48 rolls at a time, cheaper than walmart, really soft without leaving 
any furballs. Theyve had that, sanitizer, masks, etc throughout. People are 
weird. Imma cut some people when i find out whose been buying up all the pork 
ramen noodles though.

 

Rice never loses any nutrient or 

Re: [AFMUG] Source for 2x M-TOW-P-24

[Steve Jones]

maybe you lease your designs to them and sit back, collect royalties when
your not diving into your piles of gold coins like scrooge mcduck?

On Tue, Nov 24, 2020 at 10:32 AM Chuck McCown via AF 
wrote:

> It is their own stuff (Valmont)  as far as the steel stuff goes.  They own
> massive galvanization plants which gives them a pretty good advantage cost
> wise.
>
> *From:* Steve Jones
> *Sent:* Tuesday, November 24, 2020 9:28 AM
> *To:* AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group
> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Source for 2x M-TOW-P-24
>
> Is sitepro stuff all their own stuff or are they resale? Can they carry
> McCown tech goods? Or do they require massive volume? IIRC they are
> shipping rapists though
>
> On Tue, Nov 24, 2020, 10:16 AM Josh Luthman 
> wrote:
>
>> OK, I'll be patient and wait another 2-3 weeks to hit that 8 week +
>> shipping mark.
>>
>> Josh Luthman
>> 24/7 Help Desk: 937-552-2340
>> Direct: 937-552-2343
>> 1100 Wayne St
>> Suite 1337
>> Troy, OH 45373
>>
>>
>> On Tue, Nov 24, 2020 at 10:12 AM Chuck McCown  wrote:
>>
>>> Streakwave is pretty much the only distributor that has significant
>>> quantities of steel stuff on their shelf.  Everyone else tries to drop ship
>>> and that only works if I happen to have stock.  Usually I have to build the
>>> drop ship orders which is a minimum of 2 weeks and can be as much as 8
>>> weeks.  I offer to virtual warehouse and fulfill for them but none of the
>>> rest want to use that option.  All of our stuff is modular so we do large
>>> quantities of the common parts.
>>>
>>> Sent from my iPhone
>>>
>>> On Nov 24, 2020, at 7:56 AM, Josh Luthman 
>>> wrote:
>>>
>>> 
>>> Woof.  Hopefully they come in soon.
>>>
>>> In our case we don't bother with the MTOW6 any more.  The MTOW10 is
>>> better functionally and I think the same price, or at least close enough
>>> that it makes no sense for us to stock two sizes.
>>>
>>> 2/3/4 Pipes I think make sense, but I've done exclusively, or nearly, 2
>>> foot pipes.
>>>
>>> Josh Luthman
>>> 24/7 Help Desk: 937-552-2340
>>> Direct: 937-552-2343
>>> 1100 Wayne St
>>> Suite 1337
>>> Troy, OH 45373
>>>
>>>
>>> On Tue, Nov 24, 2020 at 9:51 AM Chuck McCown  wrote:
>>>
 Up to 8 weeks depending on how backed up the galvanized is.

 Sent from my iPhone

 On Nov 24, 2020, at 6:18 AM, Josh Luthman 
 wrote:

 
 Right but when it's 6 weeks short?  How can you simply not have stock
 for so long.  And it seems like no one has them now, so how long is the
 build from order to ship?

 On Mon, Nov 23, 2020, 7:16 PM Chuck McCown via AF 
 wrote:

> I honestly don’t know why there is ever a shortage of our products
> other than distributors not placing large enough stocking orders.
>
> It isn’t rocket surgery to keep track of your run rates and look for
> trends.  But inventory is cash sitting on the shelf.  I do understand.
>
> But I am still going to keep building to order rather than to
> forecast.
>
>
>
> *From:* AF [mailto:af-boun...@af.afmug.com] *On Behalf Of *Ken Hohhof
> *Sent:* Monday, November 23, 2020 4:47 PM
> *To:* 'AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group' 
> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Source for 2x M-TOW-P-24
>
>
>
> I saw that some doctor was saying that politicizing face masks was
> like politicizing toilet paper.
>
>
>
> Maybe that’s your answer.  Convince half the people to refuse to use
> TP.  Then there will be plenty for us.
>
>
>
> My local grocery store has an entire aisle of the Northern Quilted
> 3-ply Ultra Plush, it’s like Kleenex for your butt.  Except they are all
> the Maxi rolls.  I need someone to use half of each roll and then send 
> them
> to me.  Those giant rolls are like the rolls of paper you see on newspaper
> printing presses.  I have to set them on the vanity top because they don’t
> fit in the roll holder on the wall, and with all the hand washing we’re
> supposed to be doing, you risk a full roll of toilet paper getting wet.
>
>
>
> I suppose I could mount an M-TOW to the wall as a toilet paper roll
> holder.  Except everybody’s out of M-TOWs.  (actually I saw a couple on
> eBay.  Regular M-TOWs, not the P version.)
>
>
>
> *From:* AF  *On Behalf Of *Steve Jones
> *Sent:* Monday, November 23, 2020 4:49 PM
> *To:* AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group 
> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Source for 2x M-TOW-P-24
>
>
>
> Ive been getting my TP at a janitorial supply here in town through
> this whole thing, 48 rolls at a time, cheaper than walmart, really soft
> without leaving any furballs. Theyve had that, sanitizer, masks, etc
> throughout. People are weird. Imma cut some people when i find out whose
> been buying up all the pork ramen noodles though.
>
>
>
> Rice never loses any nutrient or taste as long as it stays dry, honey,

Re: [AFMUG] Source for 2x M-TOW-P-24

[Chuck McCown via AF]

It is their own stuff (Valmont)  as far as the steel stuff goes.  They own 
massive galvanization plants which gives them a pretty good advantage cost 
wise.  

From: Steve Jones 
Sent: Tuesday, November 24, 2020 9:28 AM
To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Source for 2x M-TOW-P-24

Is sitepro stuff all their own stuff or are they resale? Can they carry McCown 
tech goods? Or do they require massive volume? IIRC they are shipping rapists 
though

On Tue, Nov 24, 2020, 10:16 AM Josh Luthman  wrote:

  OK, I'll be patient and wait another 2-3 weeks to hit that 8 week + shipping 
mark.


  Josh Luthman
  24/7 Help Desk: 937-552-2340
  Direct: 937-552-2343
  1100 Wayne St
  Suite 1337
  Troy, OH 45373


  On Tue, Nov 24, 2020 at 10:12 AM Chuck McCown  wrote:

Streakwave is pretty much the only distributor that has significant 
quantities of steel stuff on their shelf.  Everyone else tries to drop ship and 
that only works if I happen to have stock.  Usually I have to build the drop 
ship orders which is a minimum of 2 weeks and can be as much as 8 weeks.  I 
offer to virtual warehouse and fulfill for them but none of the rest want to 
use that option.  All of our stuff is modular so we do large quantities of the 
common parts.  


Sent from my iPhone


  On Nov 24, 2020, at 7:56 AM, Josh Luthman  
wrote:


   
  Woof.  Hopefully they come in soon. 

  In our case we don't bother with the MTOW6 any more.  The MTOW10 is 
better functionally and I think the same price, or at least close enough that 
it makes no sense for us to stock two sizes.

  2/3/4 Pipes I think make sense, but I've done exclusively, or nearly, 2 
foot pipes.

  Josh Luthman
  24/7 Help Desk: 937-552-2340
  Direct: 937-552-2343
  1100 Wayne St
  Suite 1337
  Troy, OH 45373


  On Tue, Nov 24, 2020 at 9:51 AM Chuck McCown  wrote:

Up to 8 weeks depending on how backed up the galvanized is.


Sent from my iPhone


  On Nov 24, 2020, at 6:18 AM, Josh Luthman 
 wrote:


   
  Right but when it's 6 weeks short?  How can you simply not have stock 
for so long.  And it seems like no one has them now, so how long is the build 
from order to ship?

  On Mon, Nov 23, 2020, 7:16 PM Chuck McCown via AF  
wrote:

I honestly don’t know why there is ever a shortage of our products 
other than distributors not placing large enough stocking orders.  

It isn’t rocket surgery to keep track of your run rates and look 
for trends.  But inventory is cash sitting on the shelf.  I do understand.  

But I am still going to keep building to order rather than to 
forecast.  



From: AF [mailto:af-boun...@af.afmug.com] On Behalf Of Ken Hohhof
Sent: Monday, November 23, 2020 4:47 PM
To: 'AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group' 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Source for 2x M-TOW-P-24



I saw that some doctor was saying that politicizing face masks was 
like politicizing toilet paper.



Maybe that’s your answer.  Convince half the people to refuse to 
use TP.  Then there will be plenty for us.



My local grocery store has an entire aisle of the Northern Quilted 
3-ply Ultra Plush, it’s like Kleenex for your butt.  Except they are all the 
Maxi rolls.  I need someone to use half of each roll and then send them to me.  
Those giant rolls are like the rolls of paper you see on newspaper printing 
presses.  I have to set them on the vanity top because they don’t fit in the 
roll holder on the wall, and with all the hand washing we’re supposed to be 
doing, you risk a full roll of toilet paper getting wet.



I suppose I could mount an M-TOW to the wall as a toilet paper roll 
holder.  Except everybody’s out of M-TOWs.  (actually I saw a couple on eBay.  
Regular M-TOWs, not the P version.)



From: AF  On Behalf Of Steve Jones
Sent: Monday, November 23, 2020 4:49 PM
To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Source for 2x M-TOW-P-24



Ive been getting my TP at a janitorial supply here in town through 
this whole thing, 48 rolls at a time, cheaper than walmart, really soft without 
leaving any furballs. Theyve had that, sanitizer, masks, etc throughout. People 
are weird. Imma cut some people when i find out whose been buying up all the 
pork ramen noodles though.



Rice never loses any nutrient or taste as long as it stays dry, 
honey, sugar, salt are the same, theres 2 other things I dont remember. beans 
do something with their protein but still last a long time. I keep 20lbs rice 
for each person in the house packed in 2 cup packages in sealed buckets. If 
anybody happens to see me toting yellow buckets really quick, id recomend 
running for the hills. Morton pool salt is a good salt to store, its washed 
salt so theres no debris, pure salt 

Re: [AFMUG] Source for 2x M-TOW-P-24

[Steve Jones]

Is sitepro stuff all their own stuff or are they resale? Can they carry
McCown tech goods? Or do they require massive volume? IIRC they are
shipping rapists though

On Tue, Nov 24, 2020, 10:16 AM Josh Luthman 
wrote:

> OK, I'll be patient and wait another 2-3 weeks to hit that 8 week +
> shipping mark.
>
> Josh Luthman
> 24/7 Help Desk: 937-552-2340
> Direct: 937-552-2343
> 1100 Wayne St
> Suite 1337
> Troy, OH 45373
>
>
> On Tue, Nov 24, 2020 at 10:12 AM Chuck McCown  wrote:
>
>> Streakwave is pretty much the only distributor that has significant
>> quantities of steel stuff on their shelf.  Everyone else tries to drop ship
>> and that only works if I happen to have stock.  Usually I have to build the
>> drop ship orders which is a minimum of 2 weeks and can be as much as 8
>> weeks.  I offer to virtual warehouse and fulfill for them but none of the
>> rest want to use that option.  All of our stuff is modular so we do large
>> quantities of the common parts.
>>
>> Sent from my iPhone
>>
>> On Nov 24, 2020, at 7:56 AM, Josh Luthman 
>> wrote:
>>
>> 
>> Woof.  Hopefully they come in soon.
>>
>> In our case we don't bother with the MTOW6 any more.  The MTOW10 is
>> better functionally and I think the same price, or at least close enough
>> that it makes no sense for us to stock two sizes.
>>
>> 2/3/4 Pipes I think make sense, but I've done exclusively, or nearly, 2
>> foot pipes.
>>
>> Josh Luthman
>> 24/7 Help Desk: 937-552-2340
>> Direct: 937-552-2343
>> 1100 Wayne St
>> Suite 1337
>> Troy, OH 45373
>>
>>
>> On Tue, Nov 24, 2020 at 9:51 AM Chuck McCown  wrote:
>>
>>> Up to 8 weeks depending on how backed up the galvanized is.
>>>
>>> Sent from my iPhone
>>>
>>> On Nov 24, 2020, at 6:18 AM, Josh Luthman 
>>> wrote:
>>>
>>> 
>>> Right but when it's 6 weeks short?  How can you simply not have stock
>>> for so long.  And it seems like no one has them now, so how long is the
>>> build from order to ship?
>>>
>>> On Mon, Nov 23, 2020, 7:16 PM Chuck McCown via AF 
>>> wrote:
>>>
 I honestly don’t know why there is ever a shortage of our products
 other than distributors not placing large enough stocking orders.

 It isn’t rocket surgery to keep track of your run rates and look for
 trends.  But inventory is cash sitting on the shelf.  I do understand.

 But I am still going to keep building to order rather than to
 forecast.



 *From:* AF [mailto:af-boun...@af.afmug.com] *On Behalf Of *Ken Hohhof
 *Sent:* Monday, November 23, 2020 4:47 PM
 *To:* 'AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group' 
 *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Source for 2x M-TOW-P-24



 I saw that some doctor was saying that politicizing face masks was like
 politicizing toilet paper.



 Maybe that’s your answer.  Convince half the people to refuse to use
 TP.  Then there will be plenty for us.



 My local grocery store has an entire aisle of the Northern Quilted
 3-ply Ultra Plush, it’s like Kleenex for your butt.  Except they are all
 the Maxi rolls.  I need someone to use half of each roll and then send them
 to me.  Those giant rolls are like the rolls of paper you see on newspaper
 printing presses.  I have to set them on the vanity top because they don’t
 fit in the roll holder on the wall, and with all the hand washing we’re
 supposed to be doing, you risk a full roll of toilet paper getting wet.



 I suppose I could mount an M-TOW to the wall as a toilet paper roll
 holder.  Except everybody’s out of M-TOWs.  (actually I saw a couple on
 eBay.  Regular M-TOWs, not the P version.)



 *From:* AF  *On Behalf Of *Steve Jones
 *Sent:* Monday, November 23, 2020 4:49 PM
 *To:* AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group 
 *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Source for 2x M-TOW-P-24



 Ive been getting my TP at a janitorial supply here in town through this
 whole thing, 48 rolls at a time, cheaper than walmart, really soft without
 leaving any furballs. Theyve had that, sanitizer, masks, etc throughout.
 People are weird. Imma cut some people when i find out whose been buying up
 all the pork ramen noodles though.



 Rice never loses any nutrient or taste as long as it stays dry, honey,
 sugar, salt are the same, theres 2 other things I dont remember. beans do
 something with their protein but still last a long time. I keep 20lbs rice
 for each person in the house packed in 2 cup packages in sealed buckets. If
 anybody happens to see me toting yellow buckets really quick, id
 recomend running for the hills. Morton pool salt is a good salt to store,
 its washed salt so theres no debris, pure salt and msds foodsafe.



 If it hit the fan, MTOWs would be pretty versatile building components
 for many parts of the necessary trebuchets, but we wont be able to scavenge
 them from vendor warehouses 

Re: [AFMUG] Source for 2x M-TOW-P-24

[Josh Luthman]

OK, I'll be patient and wait another 2-3 weeks to hit that 8 week +
shipping mark.

Josh Luthman
24/7 Help Desk: 937-552-2340
Direct: 937-552-2343
1100 Wayne St
Suite 1337
Troy, OH 45373


On Tue, Nov 24, 2020 at 10:12 AM Chuck McCown  wrote:

> Streakwave is pretty much the only distributor that has significant
> quantities of steel stuff on their shelf.  Everyone else tries to drop ship
> and that only works if I happen to have stock.  Usually I have to build the
> drop ship orders which is a minimum of 2 weeks and can be as much as 8
> weeks.  I offer to virtual warehouse and fulfill for them but none of the
> rest want to use that option.  All of our stuff is modular so we do large
> quantities of the common parts.
>
> Sent from my iPhone
>
> On Nov 24, 2020, at 7:56 AM, Josh Luthman 
> wrote:
>
> 
> Woof.  Hopefully they come in soon.
>
> In our case we don't bother with the MTOW6 any more.  The MTOW10 is better
> functionally and I think the same price, or at least close enough that it
> makes no sense for us to stock two sizes.
>
> 2/3/4 Pipes I think make sense, but I've done exclusively, or nearly, 2
> foot pipes.
>
> Josh Luthman
> 24/7 Help Desk: 937-552-2340
> Direct: 937-552-2343
> 1100 Wayne St
> Suite 1337
> Troy, OH 45373
>
>
> On Tue, Nov 24, 2020 at 9:51 AM Chuck McCown  wrote:
>
>> Up to 8 weeks depending on how backed up the galvanized is.
>>
>> Sent from my iPhone
>>
>> On Nov 24, 2020, at 6:18 AM, Josh Luthman 
>> wrote:
>>
>> 
>> Right but when it's 6 weeks short?  How can you simply not have stock for
>> so long.  And it seems like no one has them now, so how long is the build
>> from order to ship?
>>
>> On Mon, Nov 23, 2020, 7:16 PM Chuck McCown via AF 
>> wrote:
>>
>>> I honestly don’t know why there is ever a shortage of our products other
>>> than distributors not placing large enough stocking orders.
>>>
>>> It isn’t rocket surgery to keep track of your run rates and look for
>>> trends.  But inventory is cash sitting on the shelf.  I do understand.
>>>
>>> But I am still going to keep building to order rather than to forecast.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> *From:* AF [mailto:af-boun...@af.afmug.com] *On Behalf Of *Ken Hohhof
>>> *Sent:* Monday, November 23, 2020 4:47 PM
>>> *To:* 'AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group' 
>>> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Source for 2x M-TOW-P-24
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> I saw that some doctor was saying that politicizing face masks was like
>>> politicizing toilet paper.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Maybe that’s your answer.  Convince half the people to refuse to use
>>> TP.  Then there will be plenty for us.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> My local grocery store has an entire aisle of the Northern Quilted 3-ply
>>> Ultra Plush, it’s like Kleenex for your butt.  Except they are all the Maxi
>>> rolls.  I need someone to use half of each roll and then send them to me.
>>> Those giant rolls are like the rolls of paper you see on newspaper printing
>>> presses.  I have to set them on the vanity top because they don’t fit in
>>> the roll holder on the wall, and with all the hand washing we’re supposed
>>> to be doing, you risk a full roll of toilet paper getting wet.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> I suppose I could mount an M-TOW to the wall as a toilet paper roll
>>> holder.  Except everybody’s out of M-TOWs.  (actually I saw a couple on
>>> eBay.  Regular M-TOWs, not the P version.)
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> *From:* AF  *On Behalf Of *Steve Jones
>>> *Sent:* Monday, November 23, 2020 4:49 PM
>>> *To:* AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group 
>>> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Source for 2x M-TOW-P-24
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Ive been getting my TP at a janitorial supply here in town through this
>>> whole thing, 48 rolls at a time, cheaper than walmart, really soft without
>>> leaving any furballs. Theyve had that, sanitizer, masks, etc throughout.
>>> People are weird. Imma cut some people when i find out whose been buying up
>>> all the pork ramen noodles though.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Rice never loses any nutrient or taste as long as it stays dry, honey,
>>> sugar, salt are the same, theres 2 other things I dont remember. beans do
>>> something with their protein but still last a long time. I keep 20lbs rice
>>> for each person in the house packed in 2 cup packages in sealed buckets. If
>>> anybody happens to see me toting yellow buckets really quick, id
>>> recomend running for the hills. Morton pool salt is a good salt to store,
>>> its washed salt so theres no debris, pure salt and msds foodsafe.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> If it hit the fan, MTOWs would be pretty versatile building components
>>> for many parts of the necessary trebuchets, but we wont be able to scavenge
>>> them from vendor warehouses since they arent there
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> On Fri, Oct 9, 2020 at 6:04 PM Ken Hohhof  wrote:
>>>
>>> Most of the shortages seem to have abated.  Still hard to find toilet
>>> paper
>>> if you don't want the MEGA rolls (because they don't fit on your
>>> holders).
>>>
>>> The most persistent shortage seems to be canned fruit.  I'm thinking it's
>>> 

Re: [AFMUG] Ot: covid tracing

[Steve Jones]

Never know, the china vaccine might be the best if it was made in the same
lab as the virus.
We have a weird antivaxxer set this time around. Trump people wont take it
if biden releases it, biden people wont take it if trump releases it. Then
theres karen who already has her vaccine injury lawsuit paperwork filed. In
the mean time they're finding definitive evidence that this is like most
diseases and you're immune to it after you have it, cdc even had to stop
politicking and admit it's well over 6 months, and the immune response is
more if you continue to be exposed to it. Pesky 40 plus million recovered
since january and less than 20 global verified reinfections

On Tue, Nov 24, 2020, 10:00 AM Ken Hohhof  wrote:

> I read an article* saying some in China who need a certificate to travel
> or work get both shots at the same time, one in each arm.  Sure, why not.
> We don’t need it to actually work, do we?
>
>
>
> *add skepticism to taste
>
>
>
> *From:* AF  *On Behalf Of *Bill Prince
> *Sent:* Tuesday, November 24, 2020 9:43 AM
> *To:* af@af.afmug.com
> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Ot: covid tracing
>
>
>
> All the vaccines so far require 2 doses to become effective, and the
> numbers I heard were more like 20 million per vaccine, so that's 60 million
> divided by 2, so 30 million. And that is going to mainly go to healthcare
> workers and high risk.
>
> I don't expect things to turn around until March or so, and that's only if
> a lot of people get vaccinated.
>
> The next vaccine in the barrel is the Johnson one, and that's
> supposed to be a single dose.
>
>
>
> bp
>
> 
>
> On 11/24/2020 7:10 AM, Steve Jones wrote:
>
> With the three vaccines ready to roll out 90 million inoculations in the
> US this year it may be moot because kit production probably wont be able to
> meet demand before we have herd vaccination in 2.5 months. But these new
> home test kits, assuming there is any reliability to them, would have been
> the ideal pairing with tracing.
>
>
>
> Testing is still being handled poorly on the local level. Our health
> department took a ton of money from the feds for testing, but the drive
> through they set up only has like a 25 test a day capacity, what a joke
> that is, will be interesting to see who all goes to jail here. CVS has drop
> off testing, but you have to do it through the website, and its aweful, my
> mom couldn't get hers because she has the wrong color Medicare card,
> whatever the hell that means. The wait at the big test center is 4 to 6
> hours. Not complaining about that one, they do massive volume because of
> all the jackleggery everywhere else.
>
> Our hospital and many of the clinics have rapid tests but opt not to use
> them, instead ship them off.
>
> Lots and lots of prison sentences in the near future.
>
>
>
> The good thing about this, is unlike the swine flu utter disaster, we
> built out a very robust pandemic response system in a short period of time.
> This will be the model future pandemics are managed by after the post
> mortem. As long as the grifters spend decades in prison, the next time the
> systems will actually be utilized properly, it will be election proof
>
>
>
> On Tue, Nov 24, 2020, 8:34 AM Ken Hohhof  wrote:
>
> They should stop talking about contact tracing as if it's working, it only
> works if you have orders of magnitude less cases than we have now.
>
> There is the containment phase, mitigation phase, then who let the dogs
> out.  Guess which phase we're in.  At this point, contact tracing is pretty
> useless, even testing is of questionable use.  About all you can do if you
> test positive is self-isolate and tell your friends, family and coworkers.
> Even testing is questionable, mostly the people getting tested already
> suspect they have it.
>
> Steve is right that the states didn't ramp up contact tracing fast enough
> or successfully, but given the poor cooperation they got from people, I'm
> not sure how much it would have helped.  Now about all they can do is tell
> people to isolate and tell their contacts.  Thank you Capt. Obvious.  And
> like Steve says, the lag time makes even that pretty useless.
>
> If we were New Zealand, contact tracing would be great.  Or alternatively,
> a compliant surveillance society like China.
>
>
> -Original Message-
> From: AF  On Behalf Of Matt Hoppes
> Sent: Tuesday, November 24, 2020 2:44 AM
> To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group 
> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Ot: covid tracing
>
> Don’t be too relaxed with it. I have a friend who just collapsed in church
> on Sunday from Covid.
>
> Just singing along and his heart stopped. Perfectly healthy, outside
> active guy.
>
> They gave him CPR and last I knew he’s still alive in the hospital.
>
> He was a staunch anti masker.
>
> This is a very serious disease and needs to be treated as such.
>
> > On Nov 24, 2020, at 12:54 AM, Steve Jones 
> wrote:
> >
> > 
> > What a let down this was. Turns out tracing is a joke. First off, they
> dont even make contact 

Re: [AFMUG] OT: And so the transition begins

[Steve Jones]

Jan 21. Then the book deals start. Book deals being code for payments. You
can wash a lot of dirty money at better rates than saul on the corner with
book sales.

On Tue, Nov 24, 2020, 9:30 AM Bill Prince  wrote:

> When do the old leaks stop?
>
> bp
> 
>
> On 11/23/2020 5:27 PM, Steve Jones wrote:
>
> When do the intelligence leaks begin
>
> On Mon, Nov 23, 2020, 7:10 PM Seth Mattinen  wrote:
>
>>
>>
>> https://www.cnn.com/2020/11/23/politics/transition-biden-gsa-begin/index.html
>>
>> (CNN) The General Services Administration has informed President-elect
>> Joe Biden that the Trump administration is ready to begin the formal
>> transition process, according to a letter from Administrator Emily
>> Murphy sent Monday afternoon and obtained by CNN.
>>
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Re: [AFMUG] Ot: covid tracing

[Steve Jones]

I can tell you why it's only 25 per day they just broke ground two
weeks ago on a new facility and wanna bet some money magically appeared for
some real nice art and leather furniture in the director's office.

The arena center capacity was originally 250 tests a day, they rarely went
over 200. When I went there i counted roughly 125 cars in front of me, took
three hours and a lot of the cars were filled with what appeared to be
whole families, we only had 2 in our car. They had a total of 7 staff and
were running it like champs. 2 girls walked the lines registering people, 4
girls were delivering the tests in the building, and one lucky guy was
sitting at a table listening to music with 6 college hottie. I dont know if
he had a role or just was there for the eye candy and free covid. I was
impressed and the way they organized the chaos of processing that many
people

On Tue, Nov 24, 2020, 9:45 AM Ken Hohhof  wrote:

> Most of the state run drive-thru testing sites can do 600 tests per day.
> Unfortunately that means many of them open at 7am and start turning away
> cars at 7:30.  You may be right that you then wait hours in line.  Not sure
> why they would set up a site by you that can only do 25 per day.  Maybe
> they tried larger sites and just didn’t get enough people.
>
>
>
> I don’t quite understand the importance given to the positivity rate,
> since most of the people getting tested already have symptoms or have been
> exposed.  Yes it’s the rate of positives among people getting tested, but
> how do you extrapolate that to the rate in the whole population?  Well,
> except that the number getting tested keeps increasing.
>
>
>
> Illinois has been testing as many as 120,000 people per day lately, and
> the population is 12 million, so that’s 1% of the population per day.  But
> how many of those are people who have to get tested every week or
> something?  In other words, same people over and over.  And of course even
> the PCR tests (not the garbage instant tests) are only a point in time
> test, they don’t tell you if you had it a month ago or will get it a month
> from now.
>
>
>
>
>
> *From:* AF  *On Behalf Of *Steve Jones
> *Sent:* Tuesday, November 24, 2020 9:10 AM
> *To:* AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group 
> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Ot: covid tracing
>
>
>
> With the three vaccines ready to roll out 90 million inoculations in the
> US this year it may be moot because kit production probably wont be able to
> meet demand before we have herd vaccination in 2.5 months. But these new
> home test kits, assuming there is any reliability to them, would have been
> the ideal pairing with tracing.
>
>
>
> Testing is still being handled poorly on the local level. Our health
> department took a ton of money from the feds for testing, but the drive
> through they set up only has like a 25 test a day capacity, what a joke
> that is, will be interesting to see who all goes to jail here. CVS has drop
> off testing, but you have to do it through the website, and its aweful, my
> mom couldn't get hers because she has the wrong color Medicare card,
> whatever the hell that means. The wait at the big test center is 4 to 6
> hours. Not complaining about that one, they do massive volume because of
> all the jackleggery everywhere else.
>
> Our hospital and many of the clinics have rapid tests but opt not to use
> them, instead ship them off.
>
> Lots and lots of prison sentences in the near future.
>
>
>
> The good thing about this, is unlike the swine flu utter disaster, we
> built out a very robust pandemic response system in a short period of time.
> This will be the model future pandemics are managed by after the post
> mortem. As long as the grifters spend decades in prison, the next time the
> systems will actually be utilized properly, it will be election proof
>
>
>
> On Tue, Nov 24, 2020, 8:34 AM Ken Hohhof  wrote:
>
> They should stop talking about contact tracing as if it's working, it only
> works if you have orders of magnitude less cases than we have now.
>
> There is the containment phase, mitigation phase, then who let the dogs
> out.  Guess which phase we're in.  At this point, contact tracing is pretty
> useless, even testing is of questionable use.  About all you can do if you
> test positive is self-isolate and tell your friends, family and coworkers.
> Even testing is questionable, mostly the people getting tested already
> suspect they have it.
>
> Steve is right that the states didn't ramp up contact tracing fast enough
> or successfully, but given the poor cooperation they got from people, I'm
> not sure how much it would have helped.  Now about all they can do is tell
> people to isolate and tell their contacts.  Thank you Capt. Obvious.  And
> like Steve says, the lag time makes even that pretty useless.
>
> If we were New Zealand, contact tracing would be great.  Or alternatively,
> a compliant surveillance society like China.
>
>
> -Original Message-
> From: AF  On Behalf Of 

Re: [AFMUG] Ot: covid tracing

[Ken Hohhof]

I read an article* saying some in China who need a certificate to travel or 
work get both shots at the same time, one in each arm.  Sure, why not.  We 
don’t need it to actually work, do we?

 

*add skepticism to taste

 

From: AF  On Behalf Of Bill Prince
Sent: Tuesday, November 24, 2020 9:43 AM
To: af@af.afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Ot: covid tracing

 

All the vaccines so far require 2 doses to become effective, and the numbers I 
heard were more like 20 million per vaccine, so that's 60 million divided by 2, 
so 30 million. And that is going to mainly go to healthcare workers and high 
risk.

I don't expect things to turn around until March or so, and that's only if a 
lot of people get vaccinated.

The next vaccine in the barrel is the Johnson one, and that's supposed 
to be a single dose.

 

bp


On 11/24/2020 7:10 AM, Steve Jones wrote:

With the three vaccines ready to roll out 90 million inoculations in the US 
this year it may be moot because kit production probably wont be able to meet 
demand before we have herd vaccination in 2.5 months. But these new home test 
kits, assuming there is any reliability to them, would have been the ideal 
pairing with tracing. 

 

Testing is still being handled poorly on the local level. Our health department 
took a ton of money from the feds for testing, but the drive through they set 
up only has like a 25 test a day capacity, what a joke that is, will be 
interesting to see who all goes to jail here. CVS has drop off testing, but you 
have to do it through the website, and its aweful, my mom couldn't get hers 
because she has the wrong color Medicare card, whatever the hell that means. 
The wait at the big test center is 4 to 6 hours. Not complaining about that 
one, they do massive volume because of all the jackleggery everywhere else.

Our hospital and many of the clinics have rapid tests but opt not to use them, 
instead ship them off. 

Lots and lots of prison sentences in the near future.

 

The good thing about this, is unlike the swine flu utter disaster, we built out 
a very robust pandemic response system in a short period of time. This will be 
the model future pandemics are managed by after the post mortem. As long as the 
grifters spend decades in prison, the next time the systems will actually be 
utilized properly, it will be election proof

 

On Tue, Nov 24, 2020, 8:34 AM Ken Hohhof mailto:af...@kwisp.com> > wrote:

They should stop talking about contact tracing as if it's working, it only 
works if you have orders of magnitude less cases than we have now.

There is the containment phase, mitigation phase, then who let the dogs out.  
Guess which phase we're in.  At this point, contact tracing is pretty useless, 
even testing is of questionable use.  About all you can do if you test positive 
is self-isolate and tell your friends, family and coworkers.  Even testing is 
questionable, mostly the people getting tested already suspect they have it.

Steve is right that the states didn't ramp up contact tracing fast enough or 
successfully, but given the poor cooperation they got from people, I'm not sure 
how much it would have helped.  Now about all they can do is tell people to 
isolate and tell their contacts.  Thank you Capt. Obvious.  And like Steve 
says, the lag time makes even that pretty useless.

If we were New Zealand, contact tracing would be great.  Or alternatively, a 
compliant surveillance society like China.


-Original Message-
From: AF mailto:af-boun...@af.afmug.com> > On Behalf 
Of Matt Hoppes
Sent: Tuesday, November 24, 2020 2:44 AM
To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group mailto:af@af.afmug.com> >
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Ot: covid tracing

Don’t be too relaxed with it. I have a friend who just collapsed in church on 
Sunday from Covid. 

Just singing along and his heart stopped. Perfectly healthy, outside active 
guy. 

They gave him CPR and last I knew he’s still alive in the hospital. 

He was a staunch anti masker. 

This is a very serious disease and needs to be treated as such. 

> On Nov 24, 2020, at 12:54 AM, Steve Jones   > wrote:
> 
> 
> What a let down this was. Turns out tracing is a joke. First off, they dont 
> even make contact with the positive test for 3 to 5 days even though the 
> money was for within 24 hours. So it essentially pointless as far as stopping 
> the spread.
> They dont ask for much detail, so thes "x infections traced back to Y event" 
> are pretty much fictitious. I thought it was maybe local to us, nope pretty 
> much the same way across the board. 
> We had 8 sick, three positive tests, and only one was actually traced. 6 the 
> seven of us were contacts, the two other positives werent marked different. 
> We are almost a week past the quarantine/isolation and still getting the 
> texts.
> 
> The point is, yet again in this, the feds provided a massive amount of money 
> and guidance, actually bipartisan, and the states fucked it up. I'm in 
> 

Re: [AFMUG] Ot: covid tracing

[fiberrun]

Sent: Tuesday, November 24, 2020 
From: "Steve Jones" 
> ... before we have herd vaccination in 2.5 months. 
  Cue the anti-vaxxers. Time to break out the popcorn?


Jared

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Re: [AFMUG] Ot: covid tracing

[Steve Jones]

The articles I've read stated "dose" is course since it's two half doses of
the full vaccine, could be they dont know what they're writing about. And
that's preauthorization production, they will all ramp up once there is
approval.
Dont know where you get the 20 million number unless that was October's
numbers

On Tue, Nov 24, 2020, 9:43 AM Bill Prince  wrote:

> All the vaccines so far require 2 doses to become effective, and the
> numbers I heard were more like 20 million per vaccine, so that's 60 million
> divided by 2, so 30 million. And that is going to mainly go to healthcare
> workers and high risk.
>
> I don't expect things to turn around until March or so, and that's only if
> a lot of people get vaccinated.
>
> The next vaccine in the barrel is the Johnson one, and that's
> supposed to be a single dose.
>
>
> bp
> 
>
> On 11/24/2020 7:10 AM, Steve Jones wrote:
>
> With the three vaccines ready to roll out 90 million inoculations in the
> US this year it may be moot because kit production probably wont be able to
> meet demand before we have herd vaccination in 2.5 months. But these new
> home test kits, assuming there is any reliability to them, would have been
> the ideal pairing with tracing.
>
> Testing is still being handled poorly on the local level. Our health
> department took a ton of money from the feds for testing, but the drive
> through they set up only has like a 25 test a day capacity, what a joke
> that is, will be interesting to see who all goes to jail here. CVS has drop
> off testing, but you have to do it through the website, and its aweful, my
> mom couldn't get hers because she has the wrong color Medicare card,
> whatever the hell that means. The wait at the big test center is 4 to 6
> hours. Not complaining about that one, they do massive volume because of
> all the jackleggery everywhere else.
> Our hospital and many of the clinics have rapid tests but opt not to use
> them, instead ship them off.
> Lots and lots of prison sentences in the near future.
>
> The good thing about this, is unlike the swine flu utter disaster, we
> built out a very robust pandemic response system in a short period of time.
> This will be the model future pandemics are managed by after the post
> mortem. As long as the grifters spend decades in prison, the next time the
> systems will actually be utilized properly, it will be election proof
>
> On Tue, Nov 24, 2020, 8:34 AM Ken Hohhof  wrote:
>
>> They should stop talking about contact tracing as if it's working, it
>> only works if you have orders of magnitude less cases than we have now.
>>
>> There is the containment phase, mitigation phase, then who let the dogs
>> out.  Guess which phase we're in.  At this point, contact tracing is pretty
>> useless, even testing is of questionable use.  About all you can do if you
>> test positive is self-isolate and tell your friends, family and coworkers.
>> Even testing is questionable, mostly the people getting tested already
>> suspect they have it.
>>
>> Steve is right that the states didn't ramp up contact tracing fast enough
>> or successfully, but given the poor cooperation they got from people, I'm
>> not sure how much it would have helped.  Now about all they can do is tell
>> people to isolate and tell their contacts.  Thank you Capt. Obvious.  And
>> like Steve says, the lag time makes even that pretty useless.
>>
>> If we were New Zealand, contact tracing would be great.  Or
>> alternatively, a compliant surveillance society like China.
>>
>>
>> -Original Message-
>> From: AF  On Behalf Of Matt Hoppes
>> Sent: Tuesday, November 24, 2020 2:44 AM
>> To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group 
>> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Ot: covid tracing
>>
>> Don’t be too relaxed with it. I have a friend who just collapsed in
>> church on Sunday from Covid.
>>
>> Just singing along and his heart stopped. Perfectly healthy, outside
>> active guy.
>>
>> They gave him CPR and last I knew he’s still alive in the hospital.
>>
>> He was a staunch anti masker.
>>
>> This is a very serious disease and needs to be treated as such.
>>
>> > On Nov 24, 2020, at 12:54 AM, Steve Jones 
>> wrote:
>> >
>> > 
>> > What a let down this was. Turns out tracing is a joke. First off, they
>> dont even make contact with the positive test for 3 to 5 days even though
>> the money was for within 24 hours. So it essentially pointless as far as
>> stopping the spread.
>> > They dont ask for much detail, so thes "x infections traced back to Y
>> event" are pretty much fictitious. I thought it was maybe local to us, nope
>> pretty much the same way across the board.
>> > We had 8 sick, three positive tests, and only one was actually traced.
>> 6 the seven of us were contacts, the two other positives werent marked
>> different.
>> > We are almost a week past the quarantine/isolation and still getting
>> the texts.
>> >
>> > The point is, yet again in this, the feds provided a massive amount of
>> money and guidance, actually bipartisan, and 

Re: [AFMUG] Ot: covid tracing

[Ken Hohhof]

Most of the state run drive-thru testing sites can do 600 tests per day.  
Unfortunately that means many of them open at 7am and start turning away cars 
at 7:30.  You may be right that you then wait hours in line.  Not sure why they 
would set up a site by you that can only do 25 per day.  Maybe they tried 
larger sites and just didn’t get enough people.

 

I don’t quite understand the importance given to the positivity rate, since 
most of the people getting tested already have symptoms or have been exposed.  
Yes it’s the rate of positives among people getting tested, but how do you 
extrapolate that to the rate in the whole population?  Well, except that the 
number getting tested keeps increasing.

 

Illinois has been testing as many as 120,000 people per day lately, and the 
population is 12 million, so that’s 1% of the population per day.  But how many 
of those are people who have to get tested every week or something?  In other 
words, same people over and over.  And of course even the PCR tests (not the 
garbage instant tests) are only a point in time test, they don’t tell you if 
you had it a month ago or will get it a month from now.

 

 

From: AF  On Behalf Of Steve Jones
Sent: Tuesday, November 24, 2020 9:10 AM
To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Ot: covid tracing

 

With the three vaccines ready to roll out 90 million inoculations in the US 
this year it may be moot because kit production probably wont be able to meet 
demand before we have herd vaccination in 2.5 months. But these new home test 
kits, assuming there is any reliability to them, would have been the ideal 
pairing with tracing.

 

Testing is still being handled poorly on the local level. Our health department 
took a ton of money from the feds for testing, but the drive through they set 
up only has like a 25 test a day capacity, what a joke that is, will be 
interesting to see who all goes to jail here. CVS has drop off testing, but you 
have to do it through the website, and its aweful, my mom couldn't get hers 
because she has the wrong color Medicare card, whatever the hell that means. 
The wait at the big test center is 4 to 6 hours. Not complaining about that 
one, they do massive volume because of all the jackleggery everywhere else.

Our hospital and many of the clinics have rapid tests but opt not to use them, 
instead ship them off. 

Lots and lots of prison sentences in the near future.

 

The good thing about this, is unlike the swine flu utter disaster, we built out 
a very robust pandemic response system in a short period of time. This will be 
the model future pandemics are managed by after the post mortem. As long as the 
grifters spend decades in prison, the next time the systems will actually be 
utilized properly, it will be election proof

 

On Tue, Nov 24, 2020, 8:34 AM Ken Hohhof mailto:af...@kwisp.com> > wrote:

They should stop talking about contact tracing as if it's working, it only 
works if you have orders of magnitude less cases than we have now.

There is the containment phase, mitigation phase, then who let the dogs out.  
Guess which phase we're in.  At this point, contact tracing is pretty useless, 
even testing is of questionable use.  About all you can do if you test positive 
is self-isolate and tell your friends, family and coworkers.  Even testing is 
questionable, mostly the people getting tested already suspect they have it.

Steve is right that the states didn't ramp up contact tracing fast enough or 
successfully, but given the poor cooperation they got from people, I'm not sure 
how much it would have helped.  Now about all they can do is tell people to 
isolate and tell their contacts.  Thank you Capt. Obvious.  And like Steve 
says, the lag time makes even that pretty useless.

If we were New Zealand, contact tracing would be great.  Or alternatively, a 
compliant surveillance society like China.


-Original Message-
From: AF mailto:af-boun...@af.afmug.com> > On Behalf 
Of Matt Hoppes
Sent: Tuesday, November 24, 2020 2:44 AM
To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group mailto:af@af.afmug.com> >
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Ot: covid tracing

Don’t be too relaxed with it. I have a friend who just collapsed in church on 
Sunday from Covid. 

Just singing along and his heart stopped. Perfectly healthy, outside active 
guy. 

They gave him CPR and last I knew he’s still alive in the hospital. 

He was a staunch anti masker. 

This is a very serious disease and needs to be treated as such. 

> On Nov 24, 2020, at 12:54 AM, Steve Jones   > wrote:
> 
> 
> What a let down this was. Turns out tracing is a joke. First off, they dont 
> even make contact with the positive test for 3 to 5 days even though the 
> money was for within 24 hours. So it essentially pointless as far as stopping 
> the spread.
> They dont ask for much detail, so thes "x infections traced back to Y event" 
> are pretty much fictitious. I thought it was maybe 

Re: [AFMUG] Ot: covid tracing

[Bill Prince]

  
  
All the vaccines so far require 2 doses to become effective, and
  the numbers I heard were more like 20 million per vaccine, so
  that's 60 million divided by 2, so 30 million. And that is going
  to mainly go to healthcare workers and high risk.
I don't expect things to turn around until March or so, and
  that's only if a lot of people get vaccinated.
The next vaccine in the barrel is the Johnson one,
  and that's supposed to be a single dose.


bp

On 11/24/2020 7:10 AM, Steve Jones
  wrote:


  
  With the three vaccines ready to roll out 90
million inoculations in the US this year it may be moot because
kit production probably wont be able to meet demand before we
have herd vaccination in 2.5 months. But these new home test
kits, assuming there is any reliability to them, would have been
the ideal pairing with tracing.


Testing is still being handled poorly on the
  local level. Our health department took a ton of money from
  the feds for testing, but the drive through they set up only
  has like a 25 test a day capacity, what a joke that is, will
  be interesting to see who all goes to jail here. CVS has drop
  off testing, but you have to do it through the website, and
  its aweful, my mom couldn't get hers because she has the wrong
  color Medicare card, whatever the hell that means. The wait at
  the big test center is 4 to 6 hours. Not complaining about
  that one, they do massive volume because of all the
  jackleggery everywhere else.
Our hospital and many of the clinics have rapid
  tests but opt not to use them, instead ship them off. 
Lots and lots of prison sentences in the near
  future.


The good thing about this, is unlike the swine
  flu utter disaster, we built out a very robust pandemic
  response system in a short period of time. This will be the
  model future pandemics are managed by after the post mortem.
  As long as the grifters spend decades in prison, the next time
  the systems will actually be utilized properly, it will be
  election proof
  
  
  
On Tue, Nov 24, 2020, 8:34 AM
  Ken Hohhof  wrote:

They should
  stop talking about contact tracing as if it's working, it only
  works if you have orders of magnitude less cases than we have
  now.
  
  There is the containment phase, mitigation phase, then who let
  the dogs out.  Guess which phase we're in.  At this point,
  contact tracing is pretty useless, even testing is of
  questionable use.  About all you can do if you test positive
  is self-isolate and tell your friends, family and coworkers. 
  Even testing is questionable, mostly the people getting tested
  already suspect they have it.
  
  Steve is right that the states didn't ramp up contact tracing
  fast enough or successfully, but given the poor cooperation
  they got from people, I'm not sure how much it would have
  helped.  Now about all they can do is tell people to isolate
  and tell their contacts.  Thank you Capt. Obvious.  And like
  Steve says, the lag time makes even that pretty useless.
  
  If we were New Zealand, contact tracing would be great.  Or
  alternatively, a compliant surveillance society like China.
  
  
  -Original Message-
  From: AF 
  On Behalf Of Matt Hoppes
  Sent: Tuesday, November 24, 2020 2:44 AM
  To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group 
  Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Ot: covid tracing
  
  Don’t be too relaxed with it. I have a friend who just
  collapsed in church on Sunday from Covid. 
  
  Just singing along and his heart stopped. Perfectly healthy,
  outside active guy. 
  
  They gave him CPR and last I knew he’s still alive in the
  hospital. 
  
  He was a staunch anti masker. 
  
  This is a very serious disease and needs to be treated as
  such. 
  
  > On Nov 24, 2020, at 12:54 AM, Steve Jones 
  wrote:
  > 
  > 
  > What a let down this was. Turns out tracing is a joke.
  First off, they dont even make contact with the positive test
  for 3 to 5 days even though the money was for within 24 hours.
  So it essentially pointless as far as stopping the spread.
  > They dont ask for much detail, so thes "x infections
  traced back to Y event" are 

Re: [AFMUG] OT: And so the transition begins

[Bill Prince]

  
  
When do the old leaks stop?

bp

On 11/23/2020 5:27 PM, Steve Jones
  wrote:


  
  When do the intelligence leaks begin
  
  
On Mon, Nov 23, 2020, 7:10 PM
  Seth Mattinen  wrote:


  https://www.cnn.com/2020/11/23/politics/transition-biden-gsa-begin/index.html
  
  (CNN) The General Services Administration has informed
  President-elect 
  Joe Biden that the Trump administration is ready to begin the
  formal 
  transition process, according to a letter from Administrator
  Emily 
  Murphy sent Monday afternoon and obtained by CNN.
  
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Re: [AFMUG] Source for 2x M-TOW-P-24

[Chuck McCown via AF]

Streakwave is pretty much the only distributor that has significant quantities 
of steel stuff on their shelf.  Everyone else tries to drop ship and that only 
works if I happen to have stock.  Usually I have to build the drop ship orders 
which is a minimum of 2 weeks and can be as much as 8 weeks.  I offer to 
virtual warehouse and fulfill for them but none of the rest want to use that 
option.  All of our stuff is modular so we do large quantities of the common 
parts.  

Sent from my iPhone

> On Nov 24, 2020, at 7:56 AM, Josh Luthman  wrote:
> 
> 
> Woof.  Hopefully they come in soon.
> 
> In our case we don't bother with the MTOW6 any more.  The MTOW10 is better 
> functionally and I think the same price, or at least close enough that it 
> makes no sense for us to stock two sizes.
> 
> 2/3/4 Pipes I think make sense, but I've done exclusively, or nearly, 2 foot 
> pipes.
> 
> Josh Luthman
> 24/7 Help Desk: 937-552-2340
> Direct: 937-552-2343
> 1100 Wayne St
> Suite 1337
> Troy, OH 45373
> 
> 
>> On Tue, Nov 24, 2020 at 9:51 AM Chuck McCown  wrote:
>> Up to 8 weeks depending on how backed up the galvanized is.
>> 
>> Sent from my iPhone
>> 
 On Nov 24, 2020, at 6:18 AM, Josh Luthman  
 wrote:
 
>>> 
>>> Right but when it's 6 weeks short?  How can you simply not have stock for 
>>> so long.  And it seems like no one has them now, so how long is the build 
>>> from order to ship?
>>> 
 On Mon, Nov 23, 2020, 7:16 PM Chuck McCown via AF  wrote:
 I honestly don’t know why there is ever a shortage of our products other 
 than distributors not placing large enough stocking orders. 
 
 It isn’t rocket surgery to keep track of your run rates and look for 
 trends.  But inventory is cash sitting on the shelf.  I do understand. 
 
 But I am still going to keep building to order rather than to forecast. 
 
  
 
 From: AF [mailto:af-boun...@af.afmug.com] On Behalf Of Ken Hohhof
 Sent: Monday, November 23, 2020 4:47 PM
 To: 'AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group' 
 Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Source for 2x M-TOW-P-24
 
  
 
 I saw that some doctor was saying that politicizing face masks was like 
 politicizing toilet paper.
 
  
 
 Maybe that’s your answer.  Convince half the people to refuse to use TP.  
 Then there will be plenty for us.
 
  
 
 My local grocery store has an entire aisle of the Northern Quilted 3-ply 
 Ultra Plush, it’s like Kleenex for your butt.  Except they are all the 
 Maxi rolls.  I need someone to use half of each roll and then send them to 
 me.  Those giant rolls are like the rolls of paper you see on newspaper 
 printing presses.  I have to set them on the vanity top because they don’t 
 fit in the roll holder on the wall, and with all the hand washing we’re 
 supposed to be doing, you risk a full roll of toilet paper getting wet.
 
  
 
 I suppose I could mount an M-TOW to the wall as a toilet paper roll 
 holder.  Except everybody’s out of M-TOWs.  (actually I saw a couple on 
 eBay.  Regular M-TOWs, not the P version.)
 
  
 
 From: AF  On Behalf Of Steve Jones
 Sent: Monday, November 23, 2020 4:49 PM
 To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group 
 Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Source for 2x M-TOW-P-24
 
  
 
 Ive been getting my TP at a janitorial supply here in town through this 
 whole thing, 48 rolls at a time, cheaper than walmart, really soft without 
 leaving any furballs. Theyve had that, sanitizer, masks, etc throughout. 
 People are weird. Imma cut some people when i find out whose been buying 
 up all the pork ramen noodles though.
 
  
 
 Rice never loses any nutrient or taste as long as it stays dry, honey, 
 sugar, salt are the same, theres 2 other things I dont remember. beans do 
 something with their protein but still last a long time. I keep 20lbs rice 
 for each person in the house packed in 2 cup packages in sealed buckets. 
 If anybody happens to see me toting yellow buckets really quick, id 
 recomend running for the hills. Morton pool salt is a good salt to store, 
 its washed salt so theres no debris, pure salt and msds foodsafe. 
 
  
 
 If it hit the fan, MTOWs would be pretty versatile building components for 
 many parts of the necessary trebuchets, but we wont be able to scavenge 
 them from vendor warehouses since they arent there 
 
  
 
  
 
  
 
 On Fri, Oct 9, 2020 at 6:04 PM Ken Hohhof  wrote:
 
 Most of the shortages seem to have abated.  Still hard to find toilet paper
 if you don't want the MEGA rolls (because they don't fit on your holders).
 
 The most persistent shortage seems to be canned fruit.  I'm thinking it's
 actually the cans that are in short supply, not the fruit.  Although you'd
 think all the fruit 

Re: [AFMUG] Ot: covid tracing

[Steve Jones]

With the three vaccines ready to roll out 90 million inoculations in the US
this year it may be moot because kit production probably wont be able to
meet demand before we have herd vaccination in 2.5 months. But these new
home test kits, assuming there is any reliability to them, would have been
the ideal pairing with tracing.

Testing is still being handled poorly on the local level. Our health
department took a ton of money from the feds for testing, but the drive
through they set up only has like a 25 test a day capacity, what a joke
that is, will be interesting to see who all goes to jail here. CVS has drop
off testing, but you have to do it through the website, and its aweful, my
mom couldn't get hers because she has the wrong color Medicare card,
whatever the hell that means. The wait at the big test center is 4 to 6
hours. Not complaining about that one, they do massive volume because of
all the jackleggery everywhere else.
Our hospital and many of the clinics have rapid tests but opt not to use
them, instead ship them off.
Lots and lots of prison sentences in the near future.

The good thing about this, is unlike the swine flu utter disaster, we built
out a very robust pandemic response system in a short period of time. This
will be the model future pandemics are managed by after the post mortem. As
long as the grifters spend decades in prison, the next time the systems
will actually be utilized properly, it will be election proof

On Tue, Nov 24, 2020, 8:34 AM Ken Hohhof  wrote:

> They should stop talking about contact tracing as if it's working, it only
> works if you have orders of magnitude less cases than we have now.
>
> There is the containment phase, mitigation phase, then who let the dogs
> out.  Guess which phase we're in.  At this point, contact tracing is pretty
> useless, even testing is of questionable use.  About all you can do if you
> test positive is self-isolate and tell your friends, family and coworkers.
> Even testing is questionable, mostly the people getting tested already
> suspect they have it.
>
> Steve is right that the states didn't ramp up contact tracing fast enough
> or successfully, but given the poor cooperation they got from people, I'm
> not sure how much it would have helped.  Now about all they can do is tell
> people to isolate and tell their contacts.  Thank you Capt. Obvious.  And
> like Steve says, the lag time makes even that pretty useless.
>
> If we were New Zealand, contact tracing would be great.  Or alternatively,
> a compliant surveillance society like China.
>
>
> -Original Message-
> From: AF  On Behalf Of Matt Hoppes
> Sent: Tuesday, November 24, 2020 2:44 AM
> To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group 
> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Ot: covid tracing
>
> Don’t be too relaxed with it. I have a friend who just collapsed in church
> on Sunday from Covid.
>
> Just singing along and his heart stopped. Perfectly healthy, outside
> active guy.
>
> They gave him CPR and last I knew he’s still alive in the hospital.
>
> He was a staunch anti masker.
>
> This is a very serious disease and needs to be treated as such.
>
> > On Nov 24, 2020, at 12:54 AM, Steve Jones 
> wrote:
> >
> > 
> > What a let down this was. Turns out tracing is a joke. First off, they
> dont even make contact with the positive test for 3 to 5 days even though
> the money was for within 24 hours. So it essentially pointless as far as
> stopping the spread.
> > They dont ask for much detail, so thes "x infections traced back to Y
> event" are pretty much fictitious. I thought it was maybe local to us, nope
> pretty much the same way across the board.
> > We had 8 sick, three positive tests, and only one was actually traced. 6
> the seven of us were contacts, the two other positives werent marked
> different.
> > We are almost a week past the quarantine/isolation and still getting the
> texts.
> >
> > The point is, yet again in this, the feds provided a massive amount of
> money and guidance, actually bipartisan, and the states fucked it up. I'm
> in illinois, so I'm guessing out of every tracing dollar 25 cents when in
> our fat emperor, erm governors pocket, and another 25 cents went in speaker
> Madigan criminal defense fund. 50 cents went to the tracers, but they
> probably have to kick 30 percent back in taxes.
> >
> > My kids are remote so it's not relevant, but they havent recieved the
> dept public health release yet, so I figure the boy wont be able to do his
> drive time friday for drivers ed.
> >
> > What a joke.
> >
> > Luckily this isnt the death plague they told us it was. Takes a lot to
> die of it now and our state numbers are going back down now that the
> election celebration infections are subsiding.
> >
> > Had the states done what they were supposed to, infected people would
> have known 3 to 4 days earlier, and the percent that would quarantine would
> have.
> > This is our 3rd verified exposure, first actual contact tracing, the
> other two I know for a fact listed 

Re: [AFMUG] Source for 2x M-TOW-P-24

[Josh Luthman]

Woof.  Hopefully they come in soon.

In our case we don't bother with the MTOW6 any more.  The MTOW10 is better
functionally and I think the same price, or at least close enough that it
makes no sense for us to stock two sizes.

2/3/4 Pipes I think make sense, but I've done exclusively, or nearly, 2
foot pipes.

Josh Luthman
24/7 Help Desk: 937-552-2340
Direct: 937-552-2343
1100 Wayne St
Suite 1337
Troy, OH 45373


On Tue, Nov 24, 2020 at 9:51 AM Chuck McCown  wrote:

> Up to 8 weeks depending on how backed up the galvanized is.
>
> Sent from my iPhone
>
> On Nov 24, 2020, at 6:18 AM, Josh Luthman 
> wrote:
>
> 
> Right but when it's 6 weeks short?  How can you simply not have stock for
> so long.  And it seems like no one has them now, so how long is the build
> from order to ship?
>
> On Mon, Nov 23, 2020, 7:16 PM Chuck McCown via AF  wrote:
>
>> I honestly don’t know why there is ever a shortage of our products other
>> than distributors not placing large enough stocking orders.
>>
>> It isn’t rocket surgery to keep track of your run rates and look for
>> trends.  But inventory is cash sitting on the shelf.  I do understand.
>>
>> But I am still going to keep building to order rather than to forecast.
>>
>>
>>
>> *From:* AF [mailto:af-boun...@af.afmug.com] *On Behalf Of *Ken Hohhof
>> *Sent:* Monday, November 23, 2020 4:47 PM
>> *To:* 'AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group' 
>> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Source for 2x M-TOW-P-24
>>
>>
>>
>> I saw that some doctor was saying that politicizing face masks was like
>> politicizing toilet paper.
>>
>>
>>
>> Maybe that’s your answer.  Convince half the people to refuse to use TP.
>> Then there will be plenty for us.
>>
>>
>>
>> My local grocery store has an entire aisle of the Northern Quilted 3-ply
>> Ultra Plush, it’s like Kleenex for your butt.  Except they are all the Maxi
>> rolls.  I need someone to use half of each roll and then send them to me.
>> Those giant rolls are like the rolls of paper you see on newspaper printing
>> presses.  I have to set them on the vanity top because they don’t fit in
>> the roll holder on the wall, and with all the hand washing we’re supposed
>> to be doing, you risk a full roll of toilet paper getting wet.
>>
>>
>>
>> I suppose I could mount an M-TOW to the wall as a toilet paper roll
>> holder.  Except everybody’s out of M-TOWs.  (actually I saw a couple on
>> eBay.  Regular M-TOWs, not the P version.)
>>
>>
>>
>> *From:* AF  *On Behalf Of *Steve Jones
>> *Sent:* Monday, November 23, 2020 4:49 PM
>> *To:* AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group 
>> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Source for 2x M-TOW-P-24
>>
>>
>>
>> Ive been getting my TP at a janitorial supply here in town through this
>> whole thing, 48 rolls at a time, cheaper than walmart, really soft without
>> leaving any furballs. Theyve had that, sanitizer, masks, etc throughout.
>> People are weird. Imma cut some people when i find out whose been buying up
>> all the pork ramen noodles though.
>>
>>
>>
>> Rice never loses any nutrient or taste as long as it stays dry, honey,
>> sugar, salt are the same, theres 2 other things I dont remember. beans do
>> something with their protein but still last a long time. I keep 20lbs rice
>> for each person in the house packed in 2 cup packages in sealed buckets. If
>> anybody happens to see me toting yellow buckets really quick, id
>> recomend running for the hills. Morton pool salt is a good salt to store,
>> its washed salt so theres no debris, pure salt and msds foodsafe.
>>
>>
>>
>> If it hit the fan, MTOWs would be pretty versatile building components
>> for many parts of the necessary trebuchets, but we wont be able to scavenge
>> them from vendor warehouses since they arent there
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> On Fri, Oct 9, 2020 at 6:04 PM Ken Hohhof  wrote:
>>
>> Most of the shortages seem to have abated.  Still hard to find toilet
>> paper
>> if you don't want the MEGA rolls (because they don't fit on your holders).
>>
>> The most persistent shortage seems to be canned fruit.  I'm thinking it's
>> actually the cans that are in short supply, not the fruit.  Although you'd
>> think all the fruit would be canned in late summer or fall and then
>> warehoused.
>>
>> Supposedly white rice and dried beans are good basically forever, no
>> matter
>> what the expiration date may say.
>>
>>
>> -Original Message-
>> From: AF  On Behalf Of Robert Andrews
>> Sent: Friday, October 9, 2020 4:10 PM
>> To: af@af.afmug.com
>> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Source for 2x M-TOW-P-24
>>
>> 2020 has been the preppers dream, bad enough for justification, not bad
>> enough for actual desperation...
>>
>> On 10/09/2020 01:46 PM, ch...@wbmfg.com wrote:
>> > Many are.
>> > *From:* James Howard
>> > *Sent:* Friday, October 9, 2020 2:28 PM
>> > *To:* 'AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group'
>> > *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Source for 2x M-TOW-P-24
>> >
>> > So basically preppers?
>> >
>> > *From:* AF  *On Behalf Of *ch...@wbmfg.com
>> > *Sent:* Friday, October 9, 2020 2:53 PM
>> > 

Re: [AFMUG] Source for 2x M-TOW-P-24

[Chuck McCown via AF]

Up to 8 weeks depending on how backed up the galvanized is.

Sent from my iPhone

> On Nov 24, 2020, at 6:18 AM, Josh Luthman  wrote:
> 
> 
> Right but when it's 6 weeks short?  How can you simply not have stock for so 
> long.  And it seems like no one has them now, so how long is the build from 
> order to ship?
> 
>> On Mon, Nov 23, 2020, 7:16 PM Chuck McCown via AF  wrote:
>> I honestly don’t know why there is ever a shortage of our products other 
>> than distributors not placing large enough stocking orders. 
>> 
>> It isn’t rocket surgery to keep track of your run rates and look for trends. 
>>  But inventory is cash sitting on the shelf.  I do understand. 
>> 
>> But I am still going to keep building to order rather than to forecast. 
>> 
>>  
>> 
>> From: AF [mailto:af-boun...@af.afmug.com] On Behalf Of Ken Hohhof
>> Sent: Monday, November 23, 2020 4:47 PM
>> To: 'AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group' 
>> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Source for 2x M-TOW-P-24
>> 
>>  
>> 
>> I saw that some doctor was saying that politicizing face masks was like 
>> politicizing toilet paper.
>> 
>>  
>> 
>> Maybe that’s your answer.  Convince half the people to refuse to use TP.  
>> Then there will be plenty for us.
>> 
>>  
>> 
>> My local grocery store has an entire aisle of the Northern Quilted 3-ply 
>> Ultra Plush, it’s like Kleenex for your butt.  Except they are all the Maxi 
>> rolls.  I need someone to use half of each roll and then send them to me.  
>> Those giant rolls are like the rolls of paper you see on newspaper printing 
>> presses.  I have to set them on the vanity top because they don’t fit in the 
>> roll holder on the wall, and with all the hand washing we’re supposed to be 
>> doing, you risk a full roll of toilet paper getting wet.
>> 
>>  
>> 
>> I suppose I could mount an M-TOW to the wall as a toilet paper roll holder.  
>> Except everybody’s out of M-TOWs.  (actually I saw a couple on eBay.  
>> Regular M-TOWs, not the P version.)
>> 
>>  
>> 
>> From: AF  On Behalf Of Steve Jones
>> Sent: Monday, November 23, 2020 4:49 PM
>> To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group 
>> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Source for 2x M-TOW-P-24
>> 
>>  
>> 
>> Ive been getting my TP at a janitorial supply here in town through this 
>> whole thing, 48 rolls at a time, cheaper than walmart, really soft without 
>> leaving any furballs. Theyve had that, sanitizer, masks, etc throughout. 
>> People are weird. Imma cut some people when i find out whose been buying up 
>> all the pork ramen noodles though.
>> 
>>  
>> 
>> Rice never loses any nutrient or taste as long as it stays dry, honey, 
>> sugar, salt are the same, theres 2 other things I dont remember. beans do 
>> something with their protein but still last a long time. I keep 20lbs rice 
>> for each person in the house packed in 2 cup packages in sealed buckets. If 
>> anybody happens to see me toting yellow buckets really quick, id recomend 
>> running for the hills. Morton pool salt is a good salt to store, its washed 
>> salt so theres no debris, pure salt and msds foodsafe. 
>> 
>>  
>> 
>> If it hit the fan, MTOWs would be pretty versatile building components for 
>> many parts of the necessary trebuchets, but we wont be able to scavenge them 
>> from vendor warehouses since they arent there 
>> 
>>  
>> 
>>  
>> 
>>  
>> 
>> On Fri, Oct 9, 2020 at 6:04 PM Ken Hohhof  wrote:
>> 
>> Most of the shortages seem to have abated.  Still hard to find toilet paper
>> if you don't want the MEGA rolls (because they don't fit on your holders).
>> 
>> The most persistent shortage seems to be canned fruit.  I'm thinking it's
>> actually the cans that are in short supply, not the fruit.  Although you'd
>> think all the fruit would be canned in late summer or fall and then
>> warehoused.
>> 
>> Supposedly white rice and dried beans are good basically forever, no matter
>> what the expiration date may say.
>> 
>> 
>> -Original Message-
>> From: AF  On Behalf Of Robert Andrews
>> Sent: Friday, October 9, 2020 4:10 PM
>> To: af@af.afmug.com
>> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Source for 2x M-TOW-P-24
>> 
>> 2020 has been the preppers dream, bad enough for justification, not bad
>> enough for actual desperation...
>> 
>> On 10/09/2020 01:46 PM, ch...@wbmfg.com wrote:
>> > Many are.
>> > *From:* James Howard
>> > *Sent:* Friday, October 9, 2020 2:28 PM
>> > *To:* 'AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group'
>> > *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Source for 2x M-TOW-P-24
>> > 
>> > So basically preppers?
>> > 
>> > *From:* AF  *On Behalf Of *ch...@wbmfg.com
>> > *Sent:* Friday, October 9, 2020 2:53 PM
>> > *To:* 'AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group' 
>> > *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Source for 2x M-TOW-P-24
>> > 
>> > 12 month...
>> > 
>> > *From:*Ken Hohhof
>> > 
>> > *Sent:*Friday, October 9, 2020 1:14 PM
>> > 
>> > *To:*'AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group'
>> > 
>> > *Subject:*Re: [AFMUG] Source for 2x M-TOW-P-24
>> > 
>> > Chuck probably figures we keep the standard LDS 3 month supply in our 
>> > pantry.
>> > 
>> > 

Re: [AFMUG] Source for 2x M-TOW-P-24

[Ken Hohhof]

You could contact your rep at your favorite distributor and request that they 
stock certain items.  Either the distributors or Chuck seem like they’re 
waiting for a minimum economic order quantity before ordering or making more.

 

It seems to me that Chuck probably has too many different products.  Yes, 
someone out there loves each of them, but the end result seems to be nobody is 
stocking any of them.

 

In the M-TOW family, there probably needs to be a handful of popular, stocked 
items, and the rest are build-to-order perhaps with a minimum order quantity.  
Do we really need both 6 and 10 inch M-TOWs?  Do we really need 24, 36 and 48 
inch M-TOW-Ps?  Could some of the items be made modular so you could buy the 
parts and build several variants?  If some of the items have total annual sales 
of less than 100, maybe they should be eliminated or relegated to special order 
only.

 

I would also guess that the surge suppressor products are less of a problem for 
the distributors, because they are neither big nor heavy.  And it helps that 
most of us are probably standardizing on the CAT6 (gas tube) versions, 
eliminating the need for the LV and HV versions.  But the M-TOWs are probably a 
pain in the butt to stock and ship.

 

I guess another approach would be to use a distributor more used to selling big 
hot dip galvanized items, like Sitepro1.  They do sell third party items.  But 
maybe there would be the temptation on their part to copy the best selling 
items and have them made in China.

 

 

 

From: AF  On Behalf Of Josh Luthman
Sent: Tuesday, November 24, 2020 7:18 AM
To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Source for 2x M-TOW-P-24

 

Right but when it's 6 weeks short?  How can you simply not have stock for so 
long.  And it seems like no one has them now, so how long is the build from 
order to ship?

 

On Mon, Nov 23, 2020, 7:16 PM Chuck McCown via AF mailto:af@af.afmug.com> > wrote:

I honestly don’t know why there is ever a shortage of our products other than 
distributors not placing large enough stocking orders.  

It isn’t rocket surgery to keep track of your run rates and look for trends.  
But inventory is cash sitting on the shelf.  I do understand.  

But I am still going to keep building to order rather than to forecast.  

 

From: AF [mailto:af-boun...@af.afmug.com  ] On 
Behalf Of Ken Hohhof
Sent: Monday, November 23, 2020 4:47 PM
To: 'AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group' mailto:af@af.afmug.com> >
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Source for 2x M-TOW-P-24

 

I saw that some doctor was saying that politicizing face masks was like 
politicizing toilet paper.

 

Maybe that’s your answer.  Convince half the people to refuse to use TP.  Then 
there will be plenty for us.

 

My local grocery store has an entire aisle of the Northern Quilted 3-ply Ultra 
Plush, it’s like Kleenex for your butt.  Except they are all the Maxi rolls.  I 
need someone to use half of each roll and then send them to me.  Those giant 
rolls are like the rolls of paper you see on newspaper printing presses.  I 
have to set them on the vanity top because they don’t fit in the roll holder on 
the wall, and with all the hand washing we’re supposed to be doing, you risk a 
full roll of toilet paper getting wet.

 

I suppose I could mount an M-TOW to the wall as a toilet paper roll holder.  
Except everybody’s out of M-TOWs.  (actually I saw a couple on eBay.  Regular 
M-TOWs, not the P version.)

 

From: AF mailto:af-boun...@af.afmug.com> > On Behalf 
Of Steve Jones
Sent: Monday, November 23, 2020 4:49 PM
To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group mailto:af@af.afmug.com> >
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Source for 2x M-TOW-P-24

 

Ive been getting my TP at a janitorial supply here in town through this whole 
thing, 48 rolls at a time, cheaper than walmart, really soft without leaving 
any furballs. Theyve had that, sanitizer, masks, etc throughout. People are 
weird. Imma cut some people when i find out whose been buying up all the pork 
ramen noodles though.

 

Rice never loses any nutrient or taste as long as it stays dry, honey, sugar, 
salt are the same, theres 2 other things I dont remember. beans do something 
with their protein but still last a long time. I keep 20lbs rice for each 
person in the house packed in 2 cup packages in sealed buckets. If anybody 
happens to see me toting yellow buckets really quick, id recomend running for 
the hills. Morton pool salt is a good salt to store, its washed salt so theres 
no debris, pure salt and msds foodsafe. 

 

If it hit the fan, MTOWs would be pretty versatile building components for many 
parts of the necessary trebuchets, but we wont be able to scavenge them from 
vendor warehouses since they arent there 

 

 

 

On Fri, Oct 9, 2020 at 6:04 PM Ken Hohhof mailto:af...@kwisp.com> > wrote:

Most of the shortages seem to have abated.  Still hard to find toilet paper
if you don't want the MEGA rolls (because they don't fit on 

Re: [AFMUG] Ot: covid tracing

[Ken Hohhof]

They should stop talking about contact tracing as if it's working, it only 
works if you have orders of magnitude less cases than we have now.

There is the containment phase, mitigation phase, then who let the dogs out.  
Guess which phase we're in.  At this point, contact tracing is pretty useless, 
even testing is of questionable use.  About all you can do if you test positive 
is self-isolate and tell your friends, family and coworkers.  Even testing is 
questionable, mostly the people getting tested already suspect they have it.

Steve is right that the states didn't ramp up contact tracing fast enough or 
successfully, but given the poor cooperation they got from people, I'm not sure 
how much it would have helped.  Now about all they can do is tell people to 
isolate and tell their contacts.  Thank you Capt. Obvious.  And like Steve 
says, the lag time makes even that pretty useless.

If we were New Zealand, contact tracing would be great.  Or alternatively, a 
compliant surveillance society like China.


-Original Message-
From: AF  On Behalf Of Matt Hoppes
Sent: Tuesday, November 24, 2020 2:44 AM
To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Ot: covid tracing

Don’t be too relaxed with it. I have a friend who just collapsed in church on 
Sunday from Covid. 

Just singing along and his heart stopped. Perfectly healthy, outside active 
guy. 

They gave him CPR and last I knew he’s still alive in the hospital. 

He was a staunch anti masker. 

This is a very serious disease and needs to be treated as such. 

> On Nov 24, 2020, at 12:54 AM, Steve Jones  wrote:
> 
> 
> What a let down this was. Turns out tracing is a joke. First off, they dont 
> even make contact with the positive test for 3 to 5 days even though the 
> money was for within 24 hours. So it essentially pointless as far as stopping 
> the spread.
> They dont ask for much detail, so thes "x infections traced back to Y event" 
> are pretty much fictitious. I thought it was maybe local to us, nope pretty 
> much the same way across the board. 
> We had 8 sick, three positive tests, and only one was actually traced. 6 the 
> seven of us were contacts, the two other positives werent marked different. 
> We are almost a week past the quarantine/isolation and still getting the 
> texts.
> 
> The point is, yet again in this, the feds provided a massive amount of money 
> and guidance, actually bipartisan, and the states fucked it up. I'm in 
> illinois, so I'm guessing out of every tracing dollar 25 cents when in our 
> fat emperor, erm governors pocket, and another 25 cents went in speaker 
> Madigan criminal defense fund. 50 cents went to the tracers, but they 
> probably have to kick 30 percent back in taxes. 
> 
> My kids are remote so it's not relevant, but they havent recieved the dept 
> public health release yet, so I figure the boy wont be able to do his drive 
> time friday for drivers ed.
> 
> What a joke.
> 
> Luckily this isnt the death plague they told us it was. Takes a lot to die of 
> it now and our state numbers are going back down now that the election 
> celebration infections are subsiding.
> 
> Had the states done what they were supposed to, infected people would have 
> known 3 to 4 days earlier, and the percent that would quarantine would have. 
> This is our 3rd verified exposure, first actual contact tracing, the other 
> two I know for a fact listed us as contacts.
> 
> When this is over and the FOIAs start, I'm hoping a lot of state and dept of 
> health officials spend a ton of time in prison. I'm betting there are a ton 
> of phones that were "lost" or smashed with hammers when the investigations 
> start after. Theres a ruthless watchdog group I had to deal with once, 
> actually forced a multi county health department to split, only got one 
> person for embezzlement though. But they know the FOIA game well enough that 
> the health department had to have constant deliveries of pallets of paper. 
> There were a lot of "early retirements"
> 
> 
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Re: [AFMUG] ***SPAM*** starlink details

[Ken Hohhof]

Ever tried to outsmart a squirrel?

 

From: AF  On Behalf Of Chuck McCown via AF
Sent: Monday, November 23, 2020 11:08 PM
To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group 
Cc: Chuck McCown 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] ***SPAM*** starlink details

 

Active denial built in.

Sent from my iPhone





On Nov 23, 2020, at 10:02 PM, Robert mailto:i...@avantwireless.com> > wrote:

 Why do I think the guy who wanted to sell flamethrowers has something all 
planned for this "opportunity?"



On 11/23/20 8:24 PM, Steve Jones wrote:

That may actually be an issue musk overlooked being in ca. Probably thought 
about snow and what not but the critters might be an issue

 

On Mon, Nov 23, 2020, 9:06 PM Ken Hohhof mailto:af...@kwisp.com> > wrote:

H, 100+ watts power consumption (not including the snow melting heater).

Maybe not enough to be a big issue, it's not like we never forget to turn
off the porch light.

In my area, I think it would become a squirrel butt-warming platform,
littered with black walnut husks.


-Original Message-
From: AF mailto:af-boun...@af.afmug.com> > On Behalf 
Of Robert
Sent: Monday, November 23, 2020 8:44 PM
To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group mailto:af@af.afmug.com> >
Subject: [AFMUG] ***SPAM*** starlink details

https://www.rvmobileinternet.com/starlink-update-spacex-talks-mobility-data- 

 
caps-geo-locking-space-lasers-and-more/

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Re: [AFMUG] Ot: covid tracing

[Steve Jones]

Jelly roll must not own any stock in the apps or he would be mandating them

On Tue, Nov 24, 2020, 7:25 AM Mike Hammett  wrote:

> Any test that takes longer than 48 hours is pointless.
>
> Our esteemed governor doesn't seem to have any efforts under way to take
> advantage of the contract tracing APIs that our phones now support.
>
>
>
> -
> Mike Hammett
> Intelligent Computing Solutions 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> Midwest Internet Exchange 
> 
> 
> 
> The Brothers WISP 
> 
>
>
> 
> --
> *From: *"Steve Jones" 
> *To: *"AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group" 
> *Sent: *Monday, November 23, 2020 11:53:40 PM
> *Subject: *[AFMUG] Ot: covid tracing
>
> What a let down this was. Turns out tracing is a joke. First off, they
> dont even make contact with the positive test for 3 to 5 days even though
> the money was for within 24 hours. So it essentially pointless as far as
> stopping the spread.
> They dont ask for much detail, so thes "x infections traced back to Y
> event" are pretty much fictitious. I thought it was maybe local to us, nope
> pretty much the same way across the board.
> We had 8 sick, three positive tests, and only one was actually traced. 6
> the seven of us were contacts, the two other positives werent marked
> different.
> We are almost a week past the quarantine/isolation and still getting the
> texts.
>
> The point is, yet again in this, the feds provided a massive amount of
> money and guidance, actually bipartisan, and the states fucked it up. I'm
> in illinois, so I'm guessing out of every tracing dollar 25 cents when in
> our fat emperor, erm governors pocket, and another 25 cents went in speaker
> Madigan criminal defense fund. 50 cents went to the tracers, but they
> probably have to kick 30 percent back in taxes.
>
> My kids are remote so it's not relevant, but they havent recieved the dept
> public health release yet, so I figure the boy wont be able to do his drive
> time friday for drivers ed.
>
> What a joke.
>
> Luckily this isnt the death plague they told us it was. Takes a lot to die
> of it now and our state numbers are going back down now that the election
> celebration infections are subsiding.
>
> Had the states done what they were supposed to, infected people would have
> known 3 to 4 days earlier, and the percent that would quarantine would
> have.
> This is our 3rd verified exposure, first actual contact tracing, the other
> two I know for a fact listed us as contacts.
>
> When this is over and the FOIAs start, I'm hoping a lot of state and dept
> of health officials spend a ton of time in prison. I'm betting there are a
> ton of phones that were "lost" or smashed with hammers when the
> investigations start after. Theres a ruthless watchdog group I had to deal
> with once, actually forced a multi county health department to split, only
> got one person for embezzlement though. But they know the FOIA game well
> enough that the health department had to have constant deliveries of
> pallets of paper. There were a lot of "early retirements"
>
>
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Re: [AFMUG] Dhcp-relay into ospf

[Matt Corcoran]

We summarize the ospf routes and use microtik filters.   So the routes still 
get advertised via OSPF,   just not for each individual customer dhcp lease.

From: AF  on behalf of Dennis Burgess via AF 

Reply-To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group 
Date: Tuesday, November 24, 2020 at 8:39 AM
To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group 
Cc: Dennis Burgess 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Dhcp-relay into ospf

They should be static routes, so you should not have to distribute connected.


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From: AF  On Behalf Of Steve Jones
Sent: Monday, November 23, 2020 6:15 PM
To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Dhcp-relay into ospf

you want a dhcp client interface to by dynamically added to the routes?
youre gonna get yelled at for distributing connected routes
i think youd have to have an all interface defines and a 
0.0.0.0/0 network if you dont know the subnet that will be 
assigned if this is part of your osfp  routing network
otherwise distribute connected routes should propagate

On Mon, Nov 23, 2020 at 6:02 PM Matt Hoppes 
mailto:mattli...@rivervalleyinternet.net>> 
wrote:
Anyone here successfully setup dhcp-relay with ospf so that when the relay adds 
an address to the pool that address goes out through ospf?
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Re: [AFMUG] Dhcp-relay into ospf

[Dennis Burgess via AF]

They should be static routes, so you should not have to distribute connected.


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From: AF  On Behalf Of Steve Jones
Sent: Monday, November 23, 2020 6:15 PM
To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Dhcp-relay into ospf

you want a dhcp client interface to by dynamically added to the routes?
youre gonna get yelled at for distributing connected routes
i think youd have to have an all interface defines and a 
0.0.0.0/0 network if you dont know the subnet that will be 
assigned if this is part of your osfp  routing network
otherwise distribute connected routes should propagate

On Mon, Nov 23, 2020 at 6:02 PM Matt Hoppes 
mailto:mattli...@rivervalleyinternet.net>> 
wrote:
Anyone here successfully setup dhcp-relay with ospf so that when the relay adds 
an address to the pool that address goes out through ospf?
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Re: [AFMUG] Ot: covid tracing

[Mike Hammett]

Any test that takes longer than 48 hours is pointless. 


Our esteemed governor doesn't seem to have any efforts under way to take 
advantage of the contract tracing APIs that our phones now support. 




- 
Mike Hammett 
Intelligent Computing Solutions 

Midwest Internet Exchange 

The Brothers WISP 




- Original Message -

From: "Steve Jones"  
To: "AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group"  
Sent: Monday, November 23, 2020 11:53:40 PM 
Subject: [AFMUG] Ot: covid tracing 


What a let down this was. Turns out tracing is a joke. First off, they dont 
even make contact with the positive test for 3 to 5 days even though the money 
was for within 24 hours. So it essentially pointless as far as stopping the 
spread. 
They dont ask for much detail, so thes "x infections traced back to Y event" 
are pretty much fictitious. I thought it was maybe local to us, nope pretty 
much the same way across the board. 
We had 8 sick, three positive tests, and only one was actually traced. 6 the 
seven of us were contacts, the two other positives werent marked different. 
We are almost a week past the quarantine/isolation and still getting the texts. 


The point is, yet again in this, the feds provided a massive amount of money 
and guidance, actually bipartisan, and the states fucked it up. I'm in 
illinois, so I'm guessing out of every tracing dollar 25 cents when in our fat 
emperor, erm governors pocket, and another 25 cents went in speaker Madigan 
criminal defense fund. 50 cents went to the tracers, but they probably have to 
kick 30 percent back in taxes. 


My kids are remote so it's not relevant, but they havent recieved the dept 
public health release yet, so I figure the boy wont be able to do his drive 
time friday for drivers ed. 


What a joke. 


Luckily this isnt the death plague they told us it was. Takes a lot to die of 
it now and our state numbers are going back down now that the election 
celebration infections are subsiding. 


Had the states done what they were supposed to, infected people would have 
known 3 to 4 days earlier, and the percent that would quarantine would have. 
This is our 3rd verified exposure, first actual contact tracing, the other two 
I know for a fact listed us as contacts. 


When this is over and the FOIAs start, I'm hoping a lot of state and dept of 
health officials spend a ton of time in prison. I'm betting there are a ton of 
phones that were "lost" or smashed with hammers when the investigations start 
after. Theres a ruthless watchdog group I had to deal with once, actually 
forced a multi county health department to split, only got one person for 
embezzlement though. But they know the FOIA game well enough that the health 
department had to have constant deliveries of pallets of paper. There were a 
lot of "early retirements" 




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Re: [AFMUG] Source for 2x M-TOW-P-24

[Josh Luthman]

Right but when it's 6 weeks short?  How can you simply not have stock for
so long.  And it seems like no one has them now, so how long is the build
from order to ship?

On Mon, Nov 23, 2020, 7:16 PM Chuck McCown via AF  wrote:

> I honestly don’t know why there is ever a shortage of our products other
> than distributors not placing large enough stocking orders.
>
> It isn’t rocket surgery to keep track of your run rates and look for
> trends.  But inventory is cash sitting on the shelf.  I do understand.
>
> But I am still going to keep building to order rather than to forecast.
>
>
>
> *From:* AF [mailto:af-boun...@af.afmug.com] *On Behalf Of *Ken Hohhof
> *Sent:* Monday, November 23, 2020 4:47 PM
> *To:* 'AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group' 
> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Source for 2x M-TOW-P-24
>
>
>
> I saw that some doctor was saying that politicizing face masks was like
> politicizing toilet paper.
>
>
>
> Maybe that’s your answer.  Convince half the people to refuse to use TP.
> Then there will be plenty for us.
>
>
>
> My local grocery store has an entire aisle of the Northern Quilted 3-ply
> Ultra Plush, it’s like Kleenex for your butt.  Except they are all the Maxi
> rolls.  I need someone to use half of each roll and then send them to me.
> Those giant rolls are like the rolls of paper you see on newspaper printing
> presses.  I have to set them on the vanity top because they don’t fit in
> the roll holder on the wall, and with all the hand washing we’re supposed
> to be doing, you risk a full roll of toilet paper getting wet.
>
>
>
> I suppose I could mount an M-TOW to the wall as a toilet paper roll
> holder.  Except everybody’s out of M-TOWs.  (actually I saw a couple on
> eBay.  Regular M-TOWs, not the P version.)
>
>
>
> *From:* AF  *On Behalf Of *Steve Jones
> *Sent:* Monday, November 23, 2020 4:49 PM
> *To:* AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group 
> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Source for 2x M-TOW-P-24
>
>
>
> Ive been getting my TP at a janitorial supply here in town through this
> whole thing, 48 rolls at a time, cheaper than walmart, really soft without
> leaving any furballs. Theyve had that, sanitizer, masks, etc throughout.
> People are weird. Imma cut some people when i find out whose been buying up
> all the pork ramen noodles though.
>
>
>
> Rice never loses any nutrient or taste as long as it stays dry, honey,
> sugar, salt are the same, theres 2 other things I dont remember. beans do
> something with their protein but still last a long time. I keep 20lbs rice
> for each person in the house packed in 2 cup packages in sealed buckets. If
> anybody happens to see me toting yellow buckets really quick, id
> recomend running for the hills. Morton pool salt is a good salt to store,
> its washed salt so theres no debris, pure salt and msds foodsafe.
>
>
>
> If it hit the fan, MTOWs would be pretty versatile building components for
> many parts of the necessary trebuchets, but we wont be able to scavenge
> them from vendor warehouses since they arent there
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> On Fri, Oct 9, 2020 at 6:04 PM Ken Hohhof  wrote:
>
> Most of the shortages seem to have abated.  Still hard to find toilet paper
> if you don't want the MEGA rolls (because they don't fit on your holders).
>
> The most persistent shortage seems to be canned fruit.  I'm thinking it's
> actually the cans that are in short supply, not the fruit.  Although you'd
> think all the fruit would be canned in late summer or fall and then
> warehoused.
>
> Supposedly white rice and dried beans are good basically forever, no matter
> what the expiration date may say.
>
>
> -Original Message-
> From: AF  On Behalf Of Robert Andrews
> Sent: Friday, October 9, 2020 4:10 PM
> To: af@af.afmug.com
> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Source for 2x M-TOW-P-24
>
> 2020 has been the preppers dream, bad enough for justification, not bad
> enough for actual desperation...
>
> On 10/09/2020 01:46 PM, ch...@wbmfg.com wrote:
> > Many are.
> > *From:* James Howard
> > *Sent:* Friday, October 9, 2020 2:28 PM
> > *To:* 'AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group'
> > *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Source for 2x M-TOW-P-24
> >
> > So basically preppers?
> >
> > *From:* AF  *On Behalf Of *ch...@wbmfg.com
> > *Sent:* Friday, October 9, 2020 2:53 PM
> > *To:* 'AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group' 
> > *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Source for 2x M-TOW-P-24
> >
> > 12 month...
> >
> > *From:*Ken Hohhof
> >
> > *Sent:*Friday, October 9, 2020 1:14 PM
> >
> > *To:*'AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group'
> >
> > *Subject:*Re: [AFMUG] Source for 2x M-TOW-P-24
> >
> > Chuck probably figures we keep the standard LDS 3 month supply in our
> > pantry.
> >
> > *From:*AF  *On Behalf Of *Jason McKemie
> > *Sent:* Friday, October 9, 2020 1:54 PM
> > *To:* AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group 
> > *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Source for 2x M-TOW-P-24
> >
> > I totally agree, the drop shipping thing drives me nuts.
> >
> > On Fri, Oct 9, 2020 at 1:30 PM can...@believewireless.net
> >  wrote:
> >
> > If distributors won't stock 

Re: [AFMUG] Ot: covid tracing

[Timothy Steele]

I'm currently visiting the Philippines and in the city I'm in (thankfully
far away from manila) you are not allowed outside unless you wear a mask
with a plastic face shield over the mask

the city I'm in has 60 cases and recovering and the city is fully open

wearing a mask works but only if everyone is wearing it

even if its only you wearing the mask you are at least reducing the amount
of the virus going into your system



On Tue, Nov 24, 2020 at 4:44 PM Matt Hoppes <
mattli...@rivervalleyinternet.net> wrote:

> Don’t be too relaxed with it. I have a friend who just collapsed in church
> on Sunday from Covid.
>
> Just singing along and his heart stopped. Perfectly healthy, outside
> active guy.
>
> They gave him CPR and last I knew he’s still alive in the hospital.
>
> He was a staunch anti masker.
>
> This is a very serious disease and needs to be treated as such.
>
> > On Nov 24, 2020, at 12:54 AM, Steve Jones 
> wrote:
> >
> > 
> > What a let down this was. Turns out tracing is a joke. First off, they
> dont even make contact with the positive test for 3 to 5 days even though
> the money was for within 24 hours. So it essentially pointless as far as
> stopping the spread.
> > They dont ask for much detail, so thes "x infections traced back to Y
> event" are pretty much fictitious. I thought it was maybe local to us, nope
> pretty much the same way across the board.
> > We had 8 sick, three positive tests, and only one was actually traced. 6
> the seven of us were contacts, the two other positives werent marked
> different.
> > We are almost a week past the quarantine/isolation and still getting the
> texts.
> >
> > The point is, yet again in this, the feds provided a massive amount of
> money and guidance, actually bipartisan, and the states fucked it up. I'm
> in illinois, so I'm guessing out of every tracing dollar 25 cents when in
> our fat emperor, erm governors pocket, and another 25 cents went in speaker
> Madigan criminal defense fund. 50 cents went to the tracers, but they
> probably have to kick 30 percent back in taxes.
> >
> > My kids are remote so it's not relevant, but they havent recieved the
> dept public health release yet, so I figure the boy wont be able to do his
> drive time friday for drivers ed.
> >
> > What a joke.
> >
> > Luckily this isnt the death plague they told us it was. Takes a lot to
> die of it now and our state numbers are going back down now that the
> election celebration infections are subsiding.
> >
> > Had the states done what they were supposed to, infected people would
> have known 3 to 4 days earlier, and the percent that would quarantine would
> have.
> > This is our 3rd verified exposure, first actual contact tracing, the
> other two I know for a fact listed us as contacts.
> >
> > When this is over and the FOIAs start, I'm hoping a lot of state and
> dept of health officials spend a ton of time in prison. I'm betting there
> are a ton of phones that were "lost" or smashed with hammers when the
> investigations start after. Theres a ruthless watchdog group I had to deal
> with once, actually forced a multi county health department to split, only
> got one person for embezzlement though. But they know the FOIA game well
> enough that the health department had to have constant deliveries of
> pallets of paper. There were a lot of "early retirements"
> >
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Re: [AFMUG] Cambium PMP v20

[Adam Moffett]

Wait, false alarm. This example in the manual confused me.  Zoom was 
just a text description for DSCP 45.  It's not obvious to me what this 
feature does that the existing DiffServ feature didn't do.





On 11/24/2020 5:19 AM, Adam Moffett wrote:
Did anybody notice that software release 20.0 has a feature to give 
Zoom high priority?


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[AFMUG] Cambium PMP v20

[Adam Moffett]

Did anybody notice that software release 20.0 has a feature to give Zoom 
high priority?



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Re: [AFMUG] Ot: covid tracing

[Matt Hoppes]

Don’t be too relaxed with it. I have a friend who just collapsed in church on 
Sunday from Covid. 

Just singing along and his heart stopped. Perfectly healthy, outside active 
guy. 

They gave him CPR and last I knew he’s still alive in the hospital. 

He was a staunch anti masker. 

This is a very serious disease and needs to be treated as such. 

> On Nov 24, 2020, at 12:54 AM, Steve Jones  wrote:
> 
> 
> What a let down this was. Turns out tracing is a joke. First off, they dont 
> even make contact with the positive test for 3 to 5 days even though the 
> money was for within 24 hours. So it essentially pointless as far as stopping 
> the spread.
> They dont ask for much detail, so thes "x infections traced back to Y event" 
> are pretty much fictitious. I thought it was maybe local to us, nope pretty 
> much the same way across the board. 
> We had 8 sick, three positive tests, and only one was actually traced. 6 the 
> seven of us were contacts, the two other positives werent marked different. 
> We are almost a week past the quarantine/isolation and still getting the 
> texts.
> 
> The point is, yet again in this, the feds provided a massive amount of money 
> and guidance, actually bipartisan, and the states fucked it up. I'm in 
> illinois, so I'm guessing out of every tracing dollar 25 cents when in our 
> fat emperor, erm governors pocket, and another 25 cents went in speaker 
> Madigan criminal defense fund. 50 cents went to the tracers, but they 
> probably have to kick 30 percent back in taxes. 
> 
> My kids are remote so it's not relevant, but they havent recieved the dept 
> public health release yet, so I figure the boy wont be able to do his drive 
> time friday for drivers ed.
> 
> What a joke.
> 
> Luckily this isnt the death plague they told us it was. Takes a lot to die of 
> it now and our state numbers are going back down now that the election 
> celebration infections are subsiding.
> 
> Had the states done what they were supposed to, infected people would have 
> known 3 to 4 days earlier, and the percent that would quarantine would have. 
> This is our 3rd verified exposure, first actual contact tracing, the other 
> two I know for a fact listed us as contacts.
> 
> When this is over and the FOIAs start, I'm hoping a lot of state and dept of 
> health officials spend a ton of time in prison. I'm betting there are a ton 
> of phones that were "lost" or smashed with hammers when the investigations 
> start after. Theres a ruthless watchdog group I had to deal with once, 
> actually forced a multi county health department to split, only got one 
> person for embezzlement though. But they know the FOIA game well enough that 
> the health department had to have constant deliveries of pallets of paper. 
> There were a lot of "early retirements"
> 
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