Re: [AFMUG] Hotel Panic Button Regulations

[Steve Jones]

If im reading right, old boy is out of compliance. Be careful on how he
asks you to date invoices and get paid up front

On Tue, Jan 19, 2021, 7:46 PM Bill Prince  wrote:

> Probably.
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> On Tue, Jan 19, 2021 at 4:55 PM Steve Jones 
> wrote:
>
>> Do people who make laws watch too much csi?
>>
>> On Tue, Jan 19, 2021, 6:40 PM Mike Hammett  wrote:
>>
>>> Downtown, it's not even accurate enough to locate a block.
>>>
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>>> *From: *"Steve Jones" 
>>> *To: *"AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group" 
>>> *Sent: *Tuesday, January 19, 2021 6:09:00 PM
>>> *Subject: *Re: [AFMUG] Hotel Panic Button Regulations
>>>
>>>
>>> https://www.okaloneworker.com/panic-buttons-illinois-chicago/?area=Illinois&utm_source=google&utm_medium=ads&utm_campaign=legislation_il&gclid=CjwKCAiAo5qABhBdEiwAOtGmbt9U6ptdOYXCgXNOXJJyKeFPngei3-Uot7oReD7t24koerP6Z-o-FRoCKCAQAvD_BwE
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>>> Is indoor GPS even accurate enough to locate a person?
>>>
>>> On Tue, Jan 19, 2021 at 6:07 PM Nate Burke  wrote:
>>>
 If I'm reading some other things I found right, the City of Chicago
 code that has been in place for 2 years requires the panic button to have
 GPS, and be able to update it's exact location in real time once
 activated.

 On 1/19/2021 6:00 PM, Chuck McCown via AF wrote:

 Depends on who you are trying to protect I guess.

 *From:* Steve Jones
 *Sent:* Tuesday, January 19, 2021 4:53 PM
 *To:* AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group
 *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Hotel Panic Button Regulations

 this is part of that stupid sexual harrasment training we had to do

 https://trackbill.com/bill/illinois-senate-bill-75-hotel-casino-employee-safety/1648594/
 If I read it right, an on person dongle is sufficient

 On Tue, Jan 19, 2021 at 5:40 PM Jaime Solorza <
 losguyswirel...@gmail.com> wrote:

> I installed a panic button system for a contractor with several panic
> buttons in key locations near surveillance camera monitors covering all
> doors, parking lots and hall ways ..all of the management staff have small
> remotes they can use to trigger alarm and 100dB klaxon ...we test it every
> two months...all UHF...
> The controller can be wired and used for a lot more applications.
> I don't think I would trust WiFi based system...but I am open to
> learning about them.
>
> On Tue, Jan 19, 2021, 3:41 PM Nate Burke  wrote:
>
>> We're in Illinois, and provide Internet/WIFI to a hotel.  We're being
>> told by the hotel owner that there is a new regulation (we don't know
>> if
>> it's state or federal) that there needs to be a panic button in every
>> room.
>>
>> The guy selling them the system says that it is all WIFI based.  1
>> device per room
>>
>> It is supposedly only for staff use
>>
>> So they're wanting to add a mess of devices to the WIFI in the
>> hotel.
>> Not really a big deal, there's more than enough capacity.
>>
>> But A number of things are not making sense with this:
>>
>> Why would a Panic button be WIFI based and not 400khz to a local
>> receiver?
>>
>> If it's only for staff, why is there a need for one in each room and
>> not
>> just a panic button carried on their person?
>>
>> I know others on this list service/manage hotels.  Have you heard
>> anything about this?
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Re: [AFMUG] Aviat Throughput in 11GHz

[Steve Jones]

They have  some more latency than saf, but (as a major saf fanboy this
pains me) their pricepoint is worth the hit

On Tue, Jan 19, 2021, 9:53 PM Darin Steffl  wrote:

> Yes it's 730+ Mbps full duplex per 80mhz channel. With XPIC, you have two
> channels so roughly 1460 Mbps full duplex for the link. These things rock.
> We love our WTM4200
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> On Tue, Jan 19, 2021 at 9:48 PM Jason McKemie <
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>
>> I think Ken from Aviat just answered my question.  It looks like it is
>> about 1.4 Gbps FDX, so that is what I would expect.
>>
>> On Tue, Jan 19, 2021 at 9:35 PM Steve Jones 
>> wrote:
>>
>>> In what?
>>>
>>> On Tue, Jan 19, 2021, 8:55 PM Jason McKemie <
>>> j.mcke...@veloxinetbroadband.com> wrote:
>>>
 Those of you that have WTM 4200 links deployed in 11GHz, what are you
 seeing throughput-wise in an 80MHz XPIC channel?  It looks like around
 730mbps each way from what I can tell, but that doesn't seem right when I
 get just north of 400mbps in a single-pol 56MHz channel.
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Re: [AFMUG] Aviat Throughput in 11GHz

[Darin Steffl]

Yes it's 730+ Mbps full duplex per 80mhz channel. With XPIC, you have two
channels so roughly 1460 Mbps full duplex for the link. These things rock.
We love our WTM4200

On Tue, Jan 19, 2021 at 9:48 PM Jason McKemie <
j.mcke...@veloxinetbroadband.com> wrote:

> I think Ken from Aviat just answered my question.  It looks like it is
> about 1.4 Gbps FDX, so that is what I would expect.
>
> On Tue, Jan 19, 2021 at 9:35 PM Steve Jones 
> wrote:
>
>> In what?
>>
>> On Tue, Jan 19, 2021, 8:55 PM Jason McKemie <
>> j.mcke...@veloxinetbroadband.com> wrote:
>>
>>> Those of you that have WTM 4200 links deployed in 11GHz, what are you
>>> seeing throughput-wise in an 80MHz XPIC channel?  It looks like around
>>> 730mbps each way from what I can tell, but that doesn't seem right when I
>>> get just north of 400mbps in a single-pol 56MHz channel.
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Re: [AFMUG] Aviat Throughput in 11GHz

[Josh Baird]

Yes - 1.4Gbps.

On Tue, Jan 19, 2021 at 10:48 PM Jason McKemie <
j.mcke...@veloxinetbroadband.com> wrote:

> I think Ken from Aviat just answered my question.  It looks like it is
> about 1.4 Gbps FDX, so that is what I would expect.
>
> On Tue, Jan 19, 2021 at 9:35 PM Steve Jones 
> wrote:
>
>> In what?
>>
>> On Tue, Jan 19, 2021, 8:55 PM Jason McKemie <
>> j.mcke...@veloxinetbroadband.com> wrote:
>>
>>> Those of you that have WTM 4200 links deployed in 11GHz, what are you
>>> seeing throughput-wise in an 80MHz XPIC channel?  It looks like around
>>> 730mbps each way from what I can tell, but that doesn't seem right when I
>>> get just north of 400mbps in a single-pol 56MHz channel.
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Re: [AFMUG] Aviat Throughput in 11GHz

[Jason McKemie]

I think Ken from Aviat just answered my question.  It looks like it is
about 1.4 Gbps FDX, so that is what I would expect.

On Tue, Jan 19, 2021 at 9:35 PM Steve Jones 
wrote:

> In what?
>
> On Tue, Jan 19, 2021, 8:55 PM Jason McKemie <
> j.mcke...@veloxinetbroadband.com> wrote:
>
>> Those of you that have WTM 4200 links deployed in 11GHz, what are you
>> seeing throughput-wise in an 80MHz XPIC channel?  It looks like around
>> 730mbps each way from what I can tell, but that doesn't seem right when I
>> get just north of 400mbps in a single-pol 56MHz channel.
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Re: [AFMUG] Aviat Throughput in 11GHz

[Steve Jones]

In what?

On Tue, Jan 19, 2021, 8:55 PM Jason McKemie <
j.mcke...@veloxinetbroadband.com> wrote:

> Those of you that have WTM 4200 links deployed in 11GHz, what are you
> seeing throughput-wise in an 80MHz XPIC channel?  It looks like around
> 730mbps each way from what I can tell, but that doesn't seem right when I
> get just north of 400mbps in a single-pol 56MHz channel.
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[AFMUG] Aviat Throughput in 11GHz

[Jason McKemie]

Those of you that have WTM 4200 links deployed in 11GHz, what are you
seeing throughput-wise in an 80MHz XPIC channel?  It looks like around
730mbps each way from what I can tell, but that doesn't seem right when I
get just north of 400mbps in a single-pol 56MHz channel.
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Re: [AFMUG] PTZ Camera

[Robert]

You might look at Xeoma along with an IP PTZ camera such as Sunba...

On 1/19/21 5:05 PM, Mark - Myakka Technologies wrote:

Looking  for a PTZ camera that can record to a NVR.  Camera will be on
different network than the NVR.

Not  even  sure  where  to  start.  Looks like some of the NAS servers
(ONAP,  etc.)  may  be  an option for the NVR.  But need a PTZ that is
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Re: [AFMUG] Hotel Panic Button Regulations

[Bill Prince]

Probably.

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On Tue, Jan 19, 2021 at 4:55 PM Steve Jones 
wrote:

> Do people who make laws watch too much csi?
>
> On Tue, Jan 19, 2021, 6:40 PM Mike Hammett  wrote:
>
>> Downtown, it's not even accurate enough to locate a block.
>>
>>
>>
>> -
>> Mike Hammett
>> Intelligent Computing Solutions 
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> Midwest Internet Exchange 
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> The Brothers WISP 
>> 
>>
>>
>> 
>> --
>> *From: *"Steve Jones" 
>> *To: *"AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group" 
>> *Sent: *Tuesday, January 19, 2021 6:09:00 PM
>> *Subject: *Re: [AFMUG] Hotel Panic Button Regulations
>>
>>
>> https://www.okaloneworker.com/panic-buttons-illinois-chicago/?area=Illinois&utm_source=google&utm_medium=ads&utm_campaign=legislation_il&gclid=CjwKCAiAo5qABhBdEiwAOtGmbt9U6ptdOYXCgXNOXJJyKeFPngei3-Uot7oReD7t24koerP6Z-o-FRoCKCAQAvD_BwE
>>
>> Is indoor GPS even accurate enough to locate a person?
>>
>> On Tue, Jan 19, 2021 at 6:07 PM Nate Burke  wrote:
>>
>>> If I'm reading some other things I found right, the City of Chicago code
>>> that has been in place for 2 years requires the panic button to have GPS,
>>> and be able to update it's exact location in real time once activated.
>>>
>>> On 1/19/2021 6:00 PM, Chuck McCown via AF wrote:
>>>
>>> Depends on who you are trying to protect I guess.
>>>
>>> *From:* Steve Jones
>>> *Sent:* Tuesday, January 19, 2021 4:53 PM
>>> *To:* AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group
>>> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Hotel Panic Button Regulations
>>>
>>> this is part of that stupid sexual harrasment training we had to do
>>>
>>> https://trackbill.com/bill/illinois-senate-bill-75-hotel-casino-employee-safety/1648594/
>>> If I read it right, an on person dongle is sufficient
>>>
>>> On Tue, Jan 19, 2021 at 5:40 PM Jaime Solorza 
>>> wrote:
>>>
 I installed a panic button system for a contractor with several panic
 buttons in key locations near surveillance camera monitors covering all
 doors, parking lots and hall ways ..all of the management staff have small
 remotes they can use to trigger alarm and 100dB klaxon ...we test it every
 two months...all UHF...
 The controller can be wired and used for a lot more applications.
 I don't think I would trust WiFi based system...but I am open to
 learning about them.

 On Tue, Jan 19, 2021, 3:41 PM Nate Burke  wrote:

> We're in Illinois, and provide Internet/WIFI to a hotel.  We're being
> told by the hotel owner that there is a new regulation (we don't know
> if
> it's state or federal) that there needs to be a panic button in every
> room.
>
> The guy selling them the system says that it is all WIFI based.  1
> device per room
>
> It is supposedly only for staff use
>
> So they're wanting to add a mess of devices to the WIFI in the hotel.
> Not really a big deal, there's more than enough capacity.
>
> But A number of things are not making sense with this:
>
> Why would a Panic button be WIFI based and not 400khz to a local
> receiver?
>
> If it's only for staff, why is there a need for one in each room and
> not
> just a panic button carried on their person?
>
> I know others on this list service/manage hotels.  Have you heard
> anything about this?
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[AFMUG] Summer disconnects/winter reconnects

[Steve Jones]

So we maintain about 90 percent recovery on service quality disconnects.
We see the majority service quality related disconnects during summer
fading, and about 2 year contract later they return in the winter.
We have superior customer service, we try to roll trucks same day, dont
charge for service calls and upgrades normally, so i see why they come
back. But im curious what it is about winter time that pushes the return?
I mount APs low, in the 90 to 120 agl range. This was a technical decision
based on when we were primarily 900mhz to avoid ducting. As we have
migrated to 5 and 3 ghz we suffer a whole lot more multipath and reflection
issues, to the point we have two cpes installed at some customers who
change cable when fields are cleared.
What is it about winter physics that drives customers back to tolerate
whatever their complaints were?
We are consumption based, so thats a negative. We tend to offer lower
speeds.  We are comparable in base price but its a hard comparison since we
dont sell speed.
Most of our competitors arent bad providers.
I want to know what it is about winter that pushes the returns so we can
find out how to apply it year round.
We dont have a ton of quality churn, but it eats at me not knowing the root
cause on the returns.
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[AFMUG] PTZ Camera

[Mark - Myakka Technologies]

Looking  for a PTZ camera that can record to a NVR.  Camera will be on
different network than the NVR.

Not  even  sure  where  to  start.  Looks like some of the NAS servers
(ONAP,  etc.)  may  be  an option for the NVR.  But need a PTZ that is
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Re: [AFMUG] Hotel Panic Button Regulations

[Steve Jones]

Do people who make laws watch too much csi?

On Tue, Jan 19, 2021, 6:40 PM Mike Hammett  wrote:

> Downtown, it's not even accurate enough to locate a block.
>
>
>
> -
> Mike Hammett
> Intelligent Computing Solutions 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> Midwest Internet Exchange 
> 
> 
> 
> The Brothers WISP 
> 
>
>
> 
> --
> *From: *"Steve Jones" 
> *To: *"AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group" 
> *Sent: *Tuesday, January 19, 2021 6:09:00 PM
> *Subject: *Re: [AFMUG] Hotel Panic Button Regulations
>
>
> https://www.okaloneworker.com/panic-buttons-illinois-chicago/?area=Illinois&utm_source=google&utm_medium=ads&utm_campaign=legislation_il&gclid=CjwKCAiAo5qABhBdEiwAOtGmbt9U6ptdOYXCgXNOXJJyKeFPngei3-Uot7oReD7t24koerP6Z-o-FRoCKCAQAvD_BwE
>
> Is indoor GPS even accurate enough to locate a person?
>
> On Tue, Jan 19, 2021 at 6:07 PM Nate Burke  wrote:
>
>> If I'm reading some other things I found right, the City of Chicago code
>> that has been in place for 2 years requires the panic button to have GPS,
>> and be able to update it's exact location in real time once activated.
>>
>> On 1/19/2021 6:00 PM, Chuck McCown via AF wrote:
>>
>> Depends on who you are trying to protect I guess.
>>
>> *From:* Steve Jones
>> *Sent:* Tuesday, January 19, 2021 4:53 PM
>> *To:* AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group
>> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Hotel Panic Button Regulations
>>
>> this is part of that stupid sexual harrasment training we had to do
>>
>> https://trackbill.com/bill/illinois-senate-bill-75-hotel-casino-employee-safety/1648594/
>> If I read it right, an on person dongle is sufficient
>>
>> On Tue, Jan 19, 2021 at 5:40 PM Jaime Solorza 
>> wrote:
>>
>>> I installed a panic button system for a contractor with several panic
>>> buttons in key locations near surveillance camera monitors covering all
>>> doors, parking lots and hall ways ..all of the management staff have small
>>> remotes they can use to trigger alarm and 100dB klaxon ...we test it every
>>> two months...all UHF...
>>> The controller can be wired and used for a lot more applications.
>>> I don't think I would trust WiFi based system...but I am open to
>>> learning about them.
>>>
>>> On Tue, Jan 19, 2021, 3:41 PM Nate Burke  wrote:
>>>
 We're in Illinois, and provide Internet/WIFI to a hotel.  We're being
 told by the hotel owner that there is a new regulation (we don't know
 if
 it's state or federal) that there needs to be a panic button in every
 room.

 The guy selling them the system says that it is all WIFI based.  1
 device per room

 It is supposedly only for staff use

 So they're wanting to add a mess of devices to the WIFI in the hotel.
 Not really a big deal, there's more than enough capacity.

 But A number of things are not making sense with this:

 Why would a Panic button be WIFI based and not 400khz to a local
 receiver?

 If it's only for staff, why is there a need for one in each room and
 not
 just a panic button carried on their person?

 I know others on this list service/manage hotels.  Have you heard
 anything about this?

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Re: [AFMUG] Hotel Panic Button Regulations

[Mike Hammett]

Downtown, it's not even accurate enough to locate a block. 




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- Original Message -

From: "Steve Jones"  
To: "AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group"  
Sent: Tuesday, January 19, 2021 6:09:00 PM 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Hotel Panic Button Regulations 


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Is indoor GPS even accurate enough to locate a person? 


On Tue, Jan 19, 2021 at 6:07 PM Nate Burke < n...@blastcomm.com > wrote: 



If I'm reading some other things I found right, the City of Chicago code that 
has been in place for 2 years requires the panic button to have GPS, and be 
able to update it's exact location in real time once activated. 


On 1/19/2021 6:00 PM, Chuck McCown via AF wrote: 





Depends on who you are trying to protect I guess. 




From: Steve Jones 
Sent: Tuesday, January 19, 2021 4:53 PM 
To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Hotel Panic Button Regulations 


this is part of that stupid sexual harrasment training we had to do 
https://trackbill.com/bill/illinois-senate-bill-75-hotel-casino-employee-safety/1648594/
 

If I read it right, an on person dongle is sufficient 


On Tue, Jan 19, 2021 at 5:40 PM Jaime Solorza < losguyswirel...@gmail.com > 
wrote: 



I installed a panic button system for a contractor with several panic buttons 
in key locations near surveillance camera monitors covering all doors, parking 
lots and hall ways ..all of the management staff have small remotes they can 
use to trigger alarm and 100dB klaxon ...we test it every two months...all 
UHF... 
The controller can be wired and used for a lot more applications. 
I don't think I would trust WiFi based system...but I am open to learning about 
them. 


On Tue, Jan 19, 2021, 3:41 PM Nate Burke < n...@blastcomm.com > wrote: 


We're in Illinois, and provide Internet/WIFI to a hotel. We're being 
told by the hotel owner that there is a new regulation (we don't know if 
it's state or federal) that there needs to be a panic button in every room. 

The guy selling them the system says that it is all WIFI based. 1 
device per room 

It is supposedly only for staff use 

So they're wanting to add a mess of devices to the WIFI in the hotel. 
Not really a big deal, there's more than enough capacity. 

But A number of things are not making sense with this: 

Why would a Panic button be WIFI based and not 400khz to a local receiver? 

If it's only for staff, why is there a need for one in each room and not 
just a panic button carried on their person? 

I know others on this list service/manage hotels. Have you heard 
anything about this? 

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Re: [AFMUG] Hotel Panic Button Regulations

[Steve Jones]

https://www.okaloneworker.com/panic-buttons-illinois-chicago/?area=Illinois&utm_source=google&utm_medium=ads&utm_campaign=legislation_il&gclid=CjwKCAiAo5qABhBdEiwAOtGmbt9U6ptdOYXCgXNOXJJyKeFPngei3-Uot7oReD7t24koerP6Z-o-FRoCKCAQAvD_BwE

Is indoor GPS even accurate enough to locate a person?

On Tue, Jan 19, 2021 at 6:07 PM Nate Burke  wrote:

> If I'm reading some other things I found right, the City of Chicago code
> that has been in place for 2 years requires the panic button to have GPS,
> and be able to update it's exact location in real time once activated.
>
> On 1/19/2021 6:00 PM, Chuck McCown via AF wrote:
>
> Depends on who you are trying to protect I guess.
>
> *From:* Steve Jones
> *Sent:* Tuesday, January 19, 2021 4:53 PM
> *To:* AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group
> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Hotel Panic Button Regulations
>
> this is part of that stupid sexual harrasment training we had to do
>
> https://trackbill.com/bill/illinois-senate-bill-75-hotel-casino-employee-safety/1648594/
> If I read it right, an on person dongle is sufficient
>
> On Tue, Jan 19, 2021 at 5:40 PM Jaime Solorza 
> wrote:
>
>> I installed a panic button system for a contractor with several panic
>> buttons in key locations near surveillance camera monitors covering all
>> doors, parking lots and hall ways ..all of the management staff have small
>> remotes they can use to trigger alarm and 100dB klaxon ...we test it every
>> two months...all UHF...
>> The controller can be wired and used for a lot more applications.
>> I don't think I would trust WiFi based system...but I am open to learning
>> about them.
>>
>> On Tue, Jan 19, 2021, 3:41 PM Nate Burke  wrote:
>>
>>> We're in Illinois, and provide Internet/WIFI to a hotel.  We're being
>>> told by the hotel owner that there is a new regulation (we don't know if
>>> it's state or federal) that there needs to be a panic button in every
>>> room.
>>>
>>> The guy selling them the system says that it is all WIFI based.  1
>>> device per room
>>>
>>> It is supposedly only for staff use
>>>
>>> So they're wanting to add a mess of devices to the WIFI in the hotel.
>>> Not really a big deal, there's more than enough capacity.
>>>
>>> But A number of things are not making sense with this:
>>>
>>> Why would a Panic button be WIFI based and not 400khz to a local
>>> receiver?
>>>
>>> If it's only for staff, why is there a need for one in each room and not
>>> just a panic button carried on their person?
>>>
>>> I know others on this list service/manage hotels.  Have you heard
>>> anything about this?
>>>
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Re: [AFMUG] Hotel Panic Button Regulations

[Nate Burke]

If I'm reading some other things I found right, the City of Chicago code 
that has been in place for 2 years requires the panic button to have 
GPS, and be able to update it's exact location in real time once activated.


On 1/19/2021 6:00 PM, Chuck McCown via AF wrote:

Depends on who you are trying to protect I guess.
*From:* Steve Jones
*Sent:* Tuesday, January 19, 2021 4:53 PM
*To:* AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group
*Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Hotel Panic Button Regulations
this is part of that stupid sexual harrasment training we had to do
https://trackbill.com/bill/illinois-senate-bill-75-hotel-casino-employee-safety/1648594/
If I read it right, an on person dongle is sufficient
On Tue, Jan 19, 2021 at 5:40 PM Jaime Solorza 
 wrote:


I installed a panic button system for a contractor with several
panic buttons in key locations near surveillance camera monitors
covering all doors, parking lots and hall ways ..all of the
management staff have small remotes they can use to trigger alarm
and 100dB klaxon ...we test it every two months...all UHF...
The controller can be wired and used for a lot more applications.
I don't think I would trust WiFi based system...but I am open to
learning about them.
On Tue, Jan 19, 2021, 3:41 PM Nate Burke  wrote:

We're in Illinois, and provide Internet/WIFI to a hotel. 
We're being

told by the hotel owner that there is a new regulation (we
don't know if
it's state or federal) that there needs to be a panic button
in every room.

The guy selling them the system says that it is all WIFI
based.  1
device per room

It is supposedly only for staff use

So they're wanting to add a mess of devices to the WIFI in the
hotel.
Not really a big deal, there's more than enough capacity.

But A number of things are not making sense with this:

Why would a Panic button be WIFI based and not 400khz to a
local receiver?

If it's only for staff, why is there a need for one in each
room and not
just a panic button carried on their person?

I know others on this list service/manage hotels. Have you heard
anything about this?

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Re: [AFMUG] Hotel Panic Button Regulations

[Chuck McCown via AF]

Depends on who you are trying to protect I guess.  

From: Steve Jones 
Sent: Tuesday, January 19, 2021 4:53 PM
To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Hotel Panic Button Regulations

this is part of that stupid sexual harrasment training we had to do 
https://trackbill.com/bill/illinois-senate-bill-75-hotel-casino-employee-safety/1648594/

If I read it right, an on person dongle is sufficient

On Tue, Jan 19, 2021 at 5:40 PM Jaime Solorza  wrote:

  I installed a panic button system for a contractor with several panic buttons 
in key locations near surveillance camera monitors covering all doors, parking 
lots and hall ways ..all of the management staff have small remotes they can 
use to trigger alarm and 100dB klaxon ...we test it every two months...all 
UHF... 
  The controller can be wired and used for a lot more applications.
  I don't think I would trust WiFi based system...but I am open to learning 
about them.

  On Tue, Jan 19, 2021, 3:41 PM Nate Burke  wrote:

We're in Illinois, and provide Internet/WIFI to a hotel.  We're being 
told by the hotel owner that there is a new regulation (we don't know if 
it's state or federal) that there needs to be a panic button in every room.

The guy selling them the system says that it is all WIFI based.  1 
device per room

It is supposedly only for staff use

So they're wanting to add a mess of devices to the WIFI in the hotel.  
Not really a big deal, there's more than enough capacity.

But A number of things are not making sense with this:

Why would a Panic button be WIFI based and not 400khz to a local receiver?

If it's only for staff, why is there a need for one in each room and not 
just a panic button carried on their person?

I know others on this list service/manage hotels.  Have you heard 
anything about this?

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Re: [AFMUG] Hotel Panic Button Regulations

[Steve Jones]

I suspect he and madigan have a foot in a transponder company, this is the
dumbest thing i never knew about. I worked for a few years in hotels, staff
rape isnt even really on the radar. Now, banging guests, thats a whole
other ballgame... just so you know, just cause a beds made doesnt mean that
topcover is clean

On Tue, Jan 19, 2021 at 5:57 PM Erich Kaiser 
wrote:

> Good ol' Prickster...
>
>
> On Tue, Jan 19, 2021 at 5:53 PM Steve Jones 
> wrote:
>
>>
>> https://www.safetyandhealthmagazine.com/articles/18848-new-illinois-law-requires-panic-buttons-for-hotel-casino-staff-working-alone#:~:text=New%20Illinois%20law%20requires%20panic%20buttons%20for%20hotel%2C%20casino%20staff%20working%20alone,-September%206%2C%202019&text=Springfield%2C%20IL%20%E2%80%94%20Beginning%20July%201,device%20that%20alerts%20security%20staff
>> .
>>
>> On Tue, Jan 19, 2021 at 5:16 PM Nate Burke  wrote:
>>
>>> I found some regulations that talk about needing to identify the
>>> transponder location in the hotel.  Our state code I don't think
>>> addresses how accurate it needs to be.   We're not providing the system,
>>> but the hotel owner came to us saying that the guy who is selling him
>>> the system wanted to add 90 WIFI devices in the hotel. So that leads us
>>> to the 1 per room idea.  The actual system integrator is supposed to be
>>> calling us.  I'm thinking we'll probably give him his own SSID/Vlan for
>>> his devices.
>>>
>>>
>>> On 1/19/2021 5:04 PM, Chuck McCown via AF wrote:
>>> > I would guess that you have one per room so you can tell where the
>>> > panic is happening.
>>> > I would not use wifi for it if I wanted it to work every time.  Be
>>> > better to be UHF I would think.
>>> >
>>> > -Original Message- From: Nate Burke
>>> > Sent: Tuesday, January 19, 2021 3:39 PM
>>> > To: Animal Farm
>>> > Subject: [AFMUG] Hotel Panic Button Regulations
>>> >
>>> > We're in Illinois, and provide Internet/WIFI to a hotel.  We're being
>>> > told by the hotel owner that there is a new regulation (we don't know
>>> if
>>> > it's state or federal) that there needs to be a panic button in every
>>> > room.
>>> >
>>> > The guy selling them the system says that it is all WIFI based.  1
>>> > device per room
>>> >
>>> > It is supposedly only for staff use
>>> >
>>> > So they're wanting to add a mess of devices to the WIFI in the hotel.
>>> > Not really a big deal, there's more than enough capacity.
>>> >
>>> > But A number of things are not making sense with this:
>>> >
>>> > Why would a Panic button be WIFI based and not 400khz to a local
>>> > receiver?
>>> >
>>> > If it's only for staff, why is there a need for one in each room and
>>> not
>>> > just a panic button carried on their person?
>>> >
>>> > I know others on this list service/manage hotels.  Have you heard
>>> > anything about this?
>>> >
>>>
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Re: [AFMUG] Hotel Panic Button Regulations

[Erich Kaiser]

Good ol' Prickster...


On Tue, Jan 19, 2021 at 5:53 PM Steve Jones 
wrote:

>
> https://www.safetyandhealthmagazine.com/articles/18848-new-illinois-law-requires-panic-buttons-for-hotel-casino-staff-working-alone#:~:text=New%20Illinois%20law%20requires%20panic%20buttons%20for%20hotel%2C%20casino%20staff%20working%20alone,-September%206%2C%202019&text=Springfield%2C%20IL%20%E2%80%94%20Beginning%20July%201,device%20that%20alerts%20security%20staff
> .
>
> On Tue, Jan 19, 2021 at 5:16 PM Nate Burke  wrote:
>
>> I found some regulations that talk about needing to identify the
>> transponder location in the hotel.  Our state code I don't think
>> addresses how accurate it needs to be.   We're not providing the system,
>> but the hotel owner came to us saying that the guy who is selling him
>> the system wanted to add 90 WIFI devices in the hotel. So that leads us
>> to the 1 per room idea.  The actual system integrator is supposed to be
>> calling us.  I'm thinking we'll probably give him his own SSID/Vlan for
>> his devices.
>>
>>
>> On 1/19/2021 5:04 PM, Chuck McCown via AF wrote:
>> > I would guess that you have one per room so you can tell where the
>> > panic is happening.
>> > I would not use wifi for it if I wanted it to work every time.  Be
>> > better to be UHF I would think.
>> >
>> > -Original Message- From: Nate Burke
>> > Sent: Tuesday, January 19, 2021 3:39 PM
>> > To: Animal Farm
>> > Subject: [AFMUG] Hotel Panic Button Regulations
>> >
>> > We're in Illinois, and provide Internet/WIFI to a hotel.  We're being
>> > told by the hotel owner that there is a new regulation (we don't know if
>> > it's state or federal) that there needs to be a panic button in every
>> > room.
>> >
>> > The guy selling them the system says that it is all WIFI based.  1
>> > device per room
>> >
>> > It is supposedly only for staff use
>> >
>> > So they're wanting to add a mess of devices to the WIFI in the hotel.
>> > Not really a big deal, there's more than enough capacity.
>> >
>> > But A number of things are not making sense with this:
>> >
>> > Why would a Panic button be WIFI based and not 400khz to a local
>> > receiver?
>> >
>> > If it's only for staff, why is there a need for one in each room and not
>> > just a panic button carried on their person?
>> >
>> > I know others on this list service/manage hotels.  Have you heard
>> > anything about this?
>> >
>>
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Re: [AFMUG] Hotel Panic Button Regulations

[Steve Jones]

this is part of that stupid sexual harrasment training we had to do
https://trackbill.com/bill/illinois-senate-bill-75-hotel-casino-employee-safety/1648594/
If I read it right, an on person dongle is sufficient

On Tue, Jan 19, 2021 at 5:40 PM Jaime Solorza 
wrote:

> I installed a panic button system for a contractor with several panic
> buttons in key locations near surveillance camera monitors covering all
> doors, parking lots and hall ways ..all of the management staff have small
> remotes they can use to trigger alarm and 100dB klaxon ...we test it every
> two months...all UHF...
> The controller can be wired and used for a lot more applications.
> I don't think I would trust WiFi based system...but I am open to learning
> about them.
>
> On Tue, Jan 19, 2021, 3:41 PM Nate Burke  wrote:
>
>> We're in Illinois, and provide Internet/WIFI to a hotel.  We're being
>> told by the hotel owner that there is a new regulation (we don't know if
>> it's state or federal) that there needs to be a panic button in every
>> room.
>>
>> The guy selling them the system says that it is all WIFI based.  1
>> device per room
>>
>> It is supposedly only for staff use
>>
>> So they're wanting to add a mess of devices to the WIFI in the hotel.
>> Not really a big deal, there's more than enough capacity.
>>
>> But A number of things are not making sense with this:
>>
>> Why would a Panic button be WIFI based and not 400khz to a local receiver?
>>
>> If it's only for staff, why is there a need for one in each room and not
>> just a panic button carried on their person?
>>
>> I know others on this list service/manage hotels.  Have you heard
>> anything about this?
>>
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Re: [AFMUG] Hotel Panic Button Regulations

[Steve Jones]

https://www.safetyandhealthmagazine.com/articles/18848-new-illinois-law-requires-panic-buttons-for-hotel-casino-staff-working-alone#:~:text=New%20Illinois%20law%20requires%20panic%20buttons%20for%20hotel%2C%20casino%20staff%20working%20alone,-September%206%2C%202019&text=Springfield%2C%20IL%20%E2%80%94%20Beginning%20July%201,device%20that%20alerts%20security%20staff
.

On Tue, Jan 19, 2021 at 5:16 PM Nate Burke  wrote:

> I found some regulations that talk about needing to identify the
> transponder location in the hotel.  Our state code I don't think
> addresses how accurate it needs to be.   We're not providing the system,
> but the hotel owner came to us saying that the guy who is selling him
> the system wanted to add 90 WIFI devices in the hotel. So that leads us
> to the 1 per room idea.  The actual system integrator is supposed to be
> calling us.  I'm thinking we'll probably give him his own SSID/Vlan for
> his devices.
>
>
> On 1/19/2021 5:04 PM, Chuck McCown via AF wrote:
> > I would guess that you have one per room so you can tell where the
> > panic is happening.
> > I would not use wifi for it if I wanted it to work every time.  Be
> > better to be UHF I would think.
> >
> > -Original Message- From: Nate Burke
> > Sent: Tuesday, January 19, 2021 3:39 PM
> > To: Animal Farm
> > Subject: [AFMUG] Hotel Panic Button Regulations
> >
> > We're in Illinois, and provide Internet/WIFI to a hotel.  We're being
> > told by the hotel owner that there is a new regulation (we don't know if
> > it's state or federal) that there needs to be a panic button in every
> > room.
> >
> > The guy selling them the system says that it is all WIFI based.  1
> > device per room
> >
> > It is supposedly only for staff use
> >
> > So they're wanting to add a mess of devices to the WIFI in the hotel.
> > Not really a big deal, there's more than enough capacity.
> >
> > But A number of things are not making sense with this:
> >
> > Why would a Panic button be WIFI based and not 400khz to a local
> > receiver?
> >
> > If it's only for staff, why is there a need for one in each room and not
> > just a panic button carried on their person?
> >
> > I know others on this list service/manage hotels.  Have you heard
> > anything about this?
> >
>
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Re: [AFMUG] router programming

[Erich Kaiser]

15k is nothing for bigiron, most of our line cards we use are between
10-15k/ piece in refurbished market...  "You get what you pay for" we have
several customers just not wanting to deal with Mikrotik at the edge
anymore and going to other vendors (Extreme/Brocade, Juniper, Cisco..).  We
are moving to Dell S5xxF Series switches for port aggregation.They have
been great switches been running for about a year now at some POPs.





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On Tue, Jan 19, 2021 at 5:25 PM Mike Hammett  wrote:

> My guideline is if I'm planning on less than 30 gigs, definitely Mikrotik.
> 30 to probably 50 or 60, either way, depending on what I can find for
> deals.
> More than 60, Juniper\Arista\Cisco\whatever.
>
> The thresholds for me are mostly centric around what it was cost me to get
> something else. There's a high entry point, so I want to make sure that I'm
> going to get some mileage out of it compared to just having a mostly empty
> router I paid a ton of money for.
>
>
> We've maxed out a quad core Intel Core i7 running ROS v6 in the 8 - 13 gig
> area (PPS dependent). Performance seems to scale better with cores than
> clock (after all, it's really easy to get 5x more cores, but impossible to
> get 5x more clock). We are moving that site to a split Cisco layer 3 switch
> and RouterOS on an appliance to get more performance out of what we already
> have. We've priced out going to all iron and it's about $15k. That's not
> really a pill we're looking to swallow at the moment. We'll run everything
> that hits the IX through the switch, so it'll do something like 8k routes
> at line rate, then anything full tables, we'll do off of the RouterOS box.
>
>
> In ten years, hopefully you've replaced whatever you bought now,
> regardless of what it is.  :-)
>
>
>
> Elsewhere, I'm trying to decide what iron to use. It's nothing to do with
> my doubts of the platform, but it'll be easier to sell services to other
> ISPs if I'm running big iron instead of Mikrotik.
>
>
>
>
>
> -
> Mike Hammett
> Intelligent Computing Solutions 
> 
> 
> 
> 
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> 
> 
> 
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> *From: *"Chuck McCown via AF" 
> *To: *"AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group" 
> *Cc: *"Chuck McCown" 
> *Sent: *Tuesday, January 19, 2021 5:08:51 PM
> *Subject: *Re: [AFMUG] router programming
>
> I have never regretted buying one of the best of something in a category.
> For example, I went cheap during the early days on imported oscilloscopes.
> Finally about 30 years ago I broke down and bought a brand new HP scope.
> Still works fine, use it all the time.  My favorite scope.  My wife swears
> by kuru shoes.  Expensive but her feet don’t hurt.  High quality studded
> snow tires.  Kennedy tool chests.  Kurt vises for CNC mills etc etc.
>
> So, in 5 years or 10 years will I be happy I went with Juniper over MT?
> Will be unhappy I went with MT vs Juniper?
> That is the decision I am trying to make.
>
> *From:* Josh Luthman
> *Sent:* Tuesday, January 19, 2021 1:20 PM
> *To:* AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group
> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] router programming
>
> While I haven't seen that myself, it sure sounds like you're comparing the
> hardware reliability of a $50 hex versus a $10,000 Juniper or Cisco.
> Remember this started with a need for 1-2 gig of traffic and fear of using
> Mikrotik for that job.
>
> Only time I've personally had issues with OSPF is on older versions or bad
> RF links.
>
> Josh Luthman
> 24/7 Help Desk: 937-552-2340
> Direct: 937-552-2343
> 1100 Wayne St
> Suite 1337
> Troy, OH 45373
>
>
> On Tue, Jan 19, 2021 at 2:14 PM Cassidy B. Larson 
> wrote:
>
>> Software updates for one.  We have hundreds of hex units out there. We
>> push out security upgrades regularly. Often times one doesnt come up after
>> the upgrade and will need to be swapped as it’s dead.
>>
>> OSPF on routeros is also where we’ve had plenty of issues.  We’ve just
>> decided to pull OSPF all together on the leaf ones that have it configured
>> so networks are more stable.
>>
>>
>>
>> On Jan 19, 2021, at 12:02 PM, Mike Hammett  wrote:
>>
>> Where have you seen it be not stable?
>>
>>
>>
>> -
>> Mike Hammett
>> Intelligent Computing Solutions 
>> 
>> 
>> 

Re: [AFMUG] router programming

[Bill Prince]

There's that. but there is also the fact that MT costs so much less that
you can give it a rip for your situation & have a functioning system
without fear of blowing the budget. If it doesn't work for you, it is a
pretty cheap lesson. In fact, relative to Juniper, it is almost a
rounding error.

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On Tue, Jan 19, 2021 at 3:09 PM Chuck McCown via AF  wrote:

> I have never regretted buying one of the best of something in a category.
> For example, I went cheap during the early days on imported oscilloscopes.
> Finally about 30 years ago I broke down and bought a brand new HP scope.
> Still works fine, use it all the time.  My favorite scope.  My wife swears
> by kuru shoes.  Expensive but her feet don’t hurt.  High quality studded
> snow tires.  Kennedy tool chests.  Kurt vises for CNC mills etc etc.
>
> So, in 5 years or 10 years will I be happy I went with Juniper over MT?
> Will be unhappy I went with MT vs Juniper?
> That is the decision I am trying to make.
>
> *From:* Josh Luthman
> *Sent:* Tuesday, January 19, 2021 1:20 PM
> *To:* AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group
> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] router programming
>
> While I haven't seen that myself, it sure sounds like you're comparing the
> hardware reliability of a $50 hex versus a $10,000 Juniper or Cisco.
> Remember this started with a need for 1-2 gig of traffic and fear of using
> Mikrotik for that job.
>
> Only time I've personally had issues with OSPF is on older versions or bad
> RF links.
>
> Josh Luthman
> 24/7 Help Desk: 937-552-2340
> Direct: 937-552-2343
> 1100 Wayne St
> Suite 1337
> Troy, OH 45373
>
>
> On Tue, Jan 19, 2021 at 2:14 PM Cassidy B. Larson 
> wrote:
>
>> Software updates for one.  We have hundreds of hex units out there. We
>> push out security upgrades regularly. Often times one doesnt come up after
>> the upgrade and will need to be swapped as it’s dead.
>>
>> OSPF on routeros is also where we’ve had plenty of issues.  We’ve just
>> decided to pull OSPF all together on the leaf ones that have it configured
>> so networks are more stable.
>>
>>
>>
>> On Jan 19, 2021, at 12:02 PM, Mike Hammett  wrote:
>>
>> Where have you seen it be not stable?
>>
>>
>>
>> -
>> Mike Hammett
>> Intelligent Computing Solutions 
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> Midwest Internet Exchange 
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> The Brothers WISP 
>> 
>>
>>
>> 
>> --
>> *From: *"Cassidy B. Larson" 
>> *To: *"AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group" 
>> *Sent: *Tuesday, January 19, 2021 12:59:40 PM
>> *Subject: *Re: [AFMUG] router programming
>>
>> It’s like playing Jenga. It’s stable until you start making changes. You
>> keep running the risk of it toppling over after every change, or it could
>> continue to be stable until the next change :)
>>
>> On Jan 19, 2021, at 11:56, Chuck McCown via AF  wrote:
>>
>> 
>> Not a binary thing.  Less stable than others perhaps.
>>
>> *From:* Ryan Ray
>> *Sent:* Tuesday, January 19, 2021 11:20 AM
>> *To:* AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group
>> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] router programming
>>
>> Guess we'll have to agree to disagree.
>>
>> On Tue, Jan 19, 2021 at 9:48 AM Mike Hammett  wrote:
>>
>>> The route filters is one.
>>>
>>> There certainly are others, but I've had the same experiences with brand
>>> new iron with support contracts. Shit happens.
>>>
>>>
>>> Saying the platform isn't stable is disingenuous when there are many
>>> people using it successfully in a variety of environments.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> -
>>> Mike Hammett
>>> Intelligent Computing Solutions 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> Midwest Internet Exchange 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> The Brothers WISP 
>>> 
>>>
>>>
>>> 
>>> --
>>> *From: *"Ryan Ray" 
>>> *To: *"AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group" 
>>> *Sent: *Tuesday, January 19, 2021 11:44:33 AM
>>> *Subject: *Re: [AFMUG] router programming
>>>
>>> I think you're being disingenuous if you're saying that you have never
>>> run into an error or bug on Mikrotik where the only fix is a reboot or to

Re: [AFMUG] Hotel Panic Button Regulations

[Jaime Solorza]

I installed a panic button system for a contractor with several panic
buttons in key locations near surveillance camera monitors covering all
doors, parking lots and hall ways ..all of the management staff have small
remotes they can use to trigger alarm and 100dB klaxon ...we test it every
two months...all UHF...
The controller can be wired and used for a lot more applications.
I don't think I would trust WiFi based system...but I am open to learning
about them.

On Tue, Jan 19, 2021, 3:41 PM Nate Burke  wrote:

> We're in Illinois, and provide Internet/WIFI to a hotel.  We're being
> told by the hotel owner that there is a new regulation (we don't know if
> it's state or federal) that there needs to be a panic button in every room.
>
> The guy selling them the system says that it is all WIFI based.  1
> device per room
>
> It is supposedly only for staff use
>
> So they're wanting to add a mess of devices to the WIFI in the hotel.
> Not really a big deal, there's more than enough capacity.
>
> But A number of things are not making sense with this:
>
> Why would a Panic button be WIFI based and not 400khz to a local receiver?
>
> If it's only for staff, why is there a need for one in each room and not
> just a panic button carried on their person?
>
> I know others on this list service/manage hotels.  Have you heard
> anything about this?
>
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Re: [AFMUG] router programming

[Mike Hammett]

My guideline is if I'm planning on less than 30 gigs, definitely Mikrotik. 
30 to probably 50 or 60, either way, depending on what I can find for deals. 
More than 60, Juniper\Arista\Cisco\whatever. 


The thresholds for me are mostly centric around what it was cost me to get 
something else. There's a high entry point, so I want to make sure that I'm 
going to get some mileage out of it compared to just having a mostly empty 
router I paid a ton of money for. 




We've maxed out a quad core Intel Core i7 running ROS v6 in the 8 - 13 gig area 
(PPS dependent). Performance seems to scale better with cores than clock (after 
all, it's really easy to get 5x more cores, but impossible to get 5x more 
clock). We are moving that site to a split Cisco layer 3 switch and RouterOS on 
an appliance to get more performance out of what we already have. We've priced 
out going to all iron and it's about $15k. That's not really a pill we're 
looking to swallow at the moment. We'll run everything that hits the IX through 
the switch, so it'll do something like 8k routes at line rate, then anything 
full tables, we'll do off of the RouterOS box. 




In ten years, hopefully you've replaced whatever you bought now, regardless of 
what it is. :-) 






Elsewhere, I'm trying to decide what iron to use. It's nothing to do with my 
doubts of the platform, but it'll be easier to sell services to other ISPs if 
I'm running big iron instead of Mikrotik. 








- 
Mike Hammett 
Intelligent Computing Solutions 

Midwest Internet Exchange 

The Brothers WISP 




- Original Message -

From: "Chuck McCown via AF"  
To: "AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group"  
Cc: "Chuck McCown"  
Sent: Tuesday, January 19, 2021 5:08:51 PM 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] router programming 




I have never regretted buying one of the best of something in a category. For 
example, I went cheap during the early days on imported oscilloscopes. Finally 
about 30 years ago I broke down and bought a brand new HP scope. Still works 
fine, use it all the time. My favorite scope. My wife swears by kuru shoes. 
Expensive but her feet don’t hurt. High quality studded snow tires. Kennedy 
tool chests. Kurt vises for CNC mills etc etc. 

So, in 5 years or 10 years will I be happy I went with Juniper over MT? 
Will be unhappy I went with MT vs Juniper? 
That is the decision I am trying to make. 




From: Josh Luthman 
Sent: Tuesday, January 19, 2021 1:20 PM 
To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] router programming 


While I haven't seen that myself, it sure sounds like you're comparing the 
hardware reliability of a $50 hex versus a $10,000 Juniper or Cisco. Remember 
this started with a need for 1-2 gig of traffic and fear of using Mikrotik for 
that job. 

Only time I've personally had issues with OSPF is on older versions or bad RF 
links. 




Josh Luthman 
24/7 Help Desk: 937-552-2340 
Direct: 937-552-2343 
1100 Wayne St 
Suite 1337 
Troy, OH 45373 



On Tue, Jan 19, 2021 at 2:14 PM Cassidy B. Larson < c...@infowest.com > wrote: 



Software updates for one. We have hundreds of hex units out there. We push out 
security upgrades regularly. Often times one doesnt come up after the upgrade 
and will need to be swapped as it’s dead. 

OSPF on routeros is also where we’ve had plenty of issues. We’ve just decided 
to pull OSPF all together on the leaf ones that have it configured so networks 
are more stable. 







On Jan 19, 2021, at 12:02 PM, Mike Hammett < af...@ics-il.net > wrote: 


Where have you seen it be not stable? 




- 
Mike Hammett 
Intelligent Computing Solutions 

Midwest Internet Exchange 

The Brothers WISP 






From: "Cassidy B. Larson" < c...@infowest.com > 
To: "AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group" < af@af.afmug.com > 
Sent: Tuesday, January 19, 2021 12:59:40 PM 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] router programming 

It’s like playing Jenga. It’s stable until you start making changes. You keep 
running the risk of it toppling over after every change, or it could continue 
to be stable until the next change :) 




On Jan 19, 2021, at 11:56, Chuck McCown via AF < af@af.afmug.com > wrote: 









Not a binary thing. Less stable than others perhaps. 




From: Ryan Ray 
Sent: Tuesday, January 19, 2021 11:20 AM 
To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] router programming 


Guess we'll have to agree to disagree. 


On Tue, Jan 19, 2021 at 9:48 AM Mike Hammett < af...@ics-il.net > wrote: 




The route filters is one. 

There certainly are others, but I've had the same experiences with brand new 
iron with support contracts. Shit happens. 


Saying the platform isn't stable is disingenuous when there are many people 
using it successfully in a variety of environments. 




- 
Mike Hammett 
Intelligent Computing Solutions 

Midwest Internet Exchange 

The Brothers WISP 






From: "Ryan Ray" < ryan...@gmail.com > 
To: "AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group" < af@af.afmug.com > 
Sent: Tuesday, January 19, 2021 11

Re: [AFMUG] Hotel Panic Button Regulations

[Nate Burke]

I found some regulations that talk about needing to identify the 
transponder location in the hotel.  Our state code I don't think 
addresses how accurate it needs to be.   We're not providing the system, 
but the hotel owner came to us saying that the guy who is selling him 
the system wanted to add 90 WIFI devices in the hotel. So that leads us 
to the 1 per room idea.  The actual system integrator is supposed to be 
calling us.  I'm thinking we'll probably give him his own SSID/Vlan for 
his devices.



On 1/19/2021 5:04 PM, Chuck McCown via AF wrote:
I would guess that you have one per room so you can tell where the 
panic is happening.
I would not use wifi for it if I wanted it to work every time.  Be 
better to be UHF I would think.


-Original Message- From: Nate Burke
Sent: Tuesday, January 19, 2021 3:39 PM
To: Animal Farm
Subject: [AFMUG] Hotel Panic Button Regulations

We're in Illinois, and provide Internet/WIFI to a hotel.  We're being
told by the hotel owner that there is a new regulation (we don't know if
it's state or federal) that there needs to be a panic button in every 
room.


The guy selling them the system says that it is all WIFI based.  1
device per room

It is supposedly only for staff use

So they're wanting to add a mess of devices to the WIFI in the hotel.
Not really a big deal, there's more than enough capacity.

But A number of things are not making sense with this:

Why would a Panic button be WIFI based and not 400khz to a local 
receiver?


If it's only for staff, why is there a need for one in each room and not
just a panic button carried on their person?

I know others on this list service/manage hotels.  Have you heard
anything about this?




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Re: [AFMUG] router programming

[Chuck McCown via AF]

I have never regretted buying one of the best of something in a category.  For 
example, I went cheap during the early days on imported oscilloscopes.  Finally 
about 30 years ago I broke down and bought a brand new HP scope.  Still works 
fine, use it all the time.  My favorite scope.  My wife swears by kuru shoes.  
Expensive but her feet don’t hurt.  High quality studded snow tires.  Kennedy 
tool chests.  Kurt vises for CNC mills etc etc.  

So, in 5 years or 10 years will I be happy I went with Juniper over MT? 
Will be unhappy I went with MT vs Juniper?  
That is the decision I am trying to make.  

From: Josh Luthman 
Sent: Tuesday, January 19, 2021 1:20 PM
To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] router programming

While I haven't seen that myself, it sure sounds like you're comparing the 
hardware reliability of a $50 hex versus a $10,000 Juniper or Cisco.  Remember 
this started with a need for 1-2 gig of traffic and fear of using Mikrotik for 
that job. 

Only time I've personally had issues with OSPF is on older versions or bad RF 
links.


Josh Luthman
24/7 Help Desk: 937-552-2340
Direct: 937-552-2343
1100 Wayne St
Suite 1337
Troy, OH 45373


On Tue, Jan 19, 2021 at 2:14 PM Cassidy B. Larson  wrote:

  Software updates for one.  We have hundreds of hex units out there. We push 
out security upgrades regularly. Often times one doesnt come up after the 
upgrade and will need to be swapped as it’s dead.  

  OSPF on routeros is also where we’ve had plenty of issues.  We’ve just 
decided to pull OSPF all together on the leaf ones that have it configured so 
networks are more stable.  




On Jan 19, 2021, at 12:02 PM, Mike Hammett  wrote:

Where have you seen it be not stable?




-
Mike Hammett
Intelligent Computing Solutions

Midwest Internet Exchange

The Brothers WISP








From: "Cassidy B. Larson" 
To: "AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group" 
Sent: Tuesday, January 19, 2021 12:59:40 PM
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] router programming

It’s like playing Jenga. It’s stable until you start making changes. You 
keep running the risk of it toppling over after every change, or it could 
continue to be stable until the next change :)



  On Jan 19, 2021, at 11:56, Chuck McCown via AF  wrote:


   
  Not a binary thing.  Less stable than others perhaps.  

  From: Ryan Ray
  Sent: Tuesday, January 19, 2021 11:20 AM
  To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group
  Subject: Re: [AFMUG] router programming

  Guess we'll have to agree to disagree. 

  On Tue, Jan 19, 2021 at 9:48 AM Mike Hammett  wrote:

The route filters is one.  

There certainly are others, but I've had the same experiences with 
brand new iron with support contracts. Shit happens.


Saying the platform isn't stable is disingenuous when there are many 
people using it successfully in a variety of environments.




-
Mike Hammett
Intelligent Computing Solutions

Midwest Internet Exchange

The Brothers WISP








From: "Ryan Ray" 
To: "AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group" 
Sent: Tuesday, January 19, 2021 11:44:33 AM
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] router programming


I think you're being disingenuous if you're saying that you have never 
run into an error or bug on Mikrotik where the only fix is a reboot or to shut 
services on or off or bring an interface down then up.  



On Tue, Jan 19, 2021 at 9:36 AM Ryan Ray  wrote:

  That's cool, I'm happy for you. In our experience Mikrotik isn't 
stable on the Long Term branches.   


  On Tue, Jan 19, 2021 at 8:34 AM Adair Winter 
 wrote:

Yet some of us run hundreds of tik routers and 16 plus gb of 
traffic all day erry day.  
It's about know how to make the tools work.

On Mon, Jan 18, 2021, 3:04 PM Ryan Ray  wrote:

  Cause it's not a stable platform.  


  On Mon, Jan 18, 2021 at 12:22 PM Mike Hammett  
wrote:

Why would you be surprised when Mikrotik worked?




-
Mike Hammett
Intelligent Computing Solutions

Midwest Internet Exchange

The Brothers WISP








From: "Dev" 
To: "AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group" 
Sent: Monday, January 18, 2021 2:20:23 PM
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] router programming

Even used Juniper gear will lead to far less sleepless nights 
than MT, a lot easier to find experts too. And they’re just…less Mikrotiky. 
People are surprised when Mikrotik works, people are surprised when Juniper 
doesn’t, that’s the differenc

Re: [AFMUG] Hotel Panic Button Regulations

[Chuck McCown via AF]

I would guess that you have one per room so you can tell where the panic is 
happening.
I would not use wifi for it if I wanted it to work every time.  Be better to 
be UHF I would think.


-Original Message- 
From: Nate Burke

Sent: Tuesday, January 19, 2021 3:39 PM
To: Animal Farm
Subject: [AFMUG] Hotel Panic Button Regulations

We're in Illinois, and provide Internet/WIFI to a hotel.  We're being
told by the hotel owner that there is a new regulation (we don't know if
it's state or federal) that there needs to be a panic button in every room.

The guy selling them the system says that it is all WIFI based.  1
device per room

It is supposedly only for staff use

So they're wanting to add a mess of devices to the WIFI in the hotel.
Not really a big deal, there's more than enough capacity.

But A number of things are not making sense with this:

Why would a Panic button be WIFI based and not 400khz to a local receiver?

If it's only for staff, why is there a need for one in each room and not
just a panic button carried on their person?

I know others on this list service/manage hotels.  Have you heard
anything about this?

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Re: [AFMUG] Adding Aviat Radios to LibreNMS?

[Josh Baird]

Yeah - this one is pretty bad.  It doesn't help that LibreNMS' polling
implementation isn't great, either.

If Aviat does fix the issue (they are aware of the problems), all of the
things that were mentioned (RSSL, modulation, voltage, etc) are included in
the support that I wrote and should work out of the box.  I'll find some
time to double check this soon.

On Tue, Jan 19, 2021 at 5:38 PM Mike Hammett  wrote:

> So many vendors have absolutely terrible SNMP stacks.
>
> Occam\Calix is another. After enough connections, various part of the
> DSLAM just stop working, due to running out of memory.
>
>
>
> -
> Mike Hammett
> Intelligent Computing Solutions 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> Midwest Internet Exchange 
> 
> 
> 
> The Brothers WISP 
> 
>
>
> 
> --
> *From: *"Josh Baird" 
> *To: *"AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group" 
> *Sent: *Tuesday, January 19, 2021 4:11:57 PM
> *Subject: *Re: [AFMUG] Adding Aviat Radios to LibreNMS?
>
> So - I'm the one who added Aviat support to LibreNMS.  But, it doesn't
> work, because Aviat's current SNMP agent dies and becomes unresponsive
> after 15 or so consecutive queries.  This causes LibreNMS to timeout
> frequently during discovery and polling sessions.  Fingers crossed that
> this is fixed in a future version of the Aviat OS.
>
> On Tue, Jan 19, 2021 at 3:37 PM Steve Jones 
> wrote:
>
>> me too, i wanna know
>>
>> On Tue, Jan 19, 2021 at 9:38 AM Sam Lambie  wrote:
>>
>>> I have never added a custom MIB to libreNMS. When I add a set of Aviat
>>> 80ghz radios to libre, it picks up the SNMP name, and that is it. Has
>>> anyone successfully been able to poll RSSI, throughput and all the goodies?
>>>
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>>> 575-758-7598 Office
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Re: [AFMUG] Hotel Panic Button Regulations

[Mike Hammett]

Say something like, "So that I can best comply with the new law, can you let me 
know where I can find that law or what it's name is so I can look it up?". 


You'll get non-useful answers. 




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- Original Message -

From: "Nate Burke"  
To: "Animal Farm"  
Sent: Tuesday, January 19, 2021 4:39:38 PM 
Subject: [AFMUG] Hotel Panic Button Regulations 

We're in Illinois, and provide Internet/WIFI to a hotel. We're being 
told by the hotel owner that there is a new regulation (we don't know if 
it's state or federal) that there needs to be a panic button in every room. 

The guy selling them the system says that it is all WIFI based. 1 
device per room 

It is supposedly only for staff use 

So they're wanting to add a mess of devices to the WIFI in the hotel. 
Not really a big deal, there's more than enough capacity. 

But A number of things are not making sense with this: 

Why would a Panic button be WIFI based and not 400khz to a local receiver? 

If it's only for staff, why is there a need for one in each room and not 
just a panic button carried on their person? 

I know others on this list service/manage hotels. Have you heard 
anything about this? 

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[AFMUG] Hotel Panic Button Regulations

[Nate Burke]

We're in Illinois, and provide Internet/WIFI to a hotel.  We're being 
told by the hotel owner that there is a new regulation (we don't know if 
it's state or federal) that there needs to be a panic button in every room.


The guy selling them the system says that it is all WIFI based.  1 
device per room


It is supposedly only for staff use

So they're wanting to add a mess of devices to the WIFI in the hotel.  
Not really a big deal, there's more than enough capacity.


But A number of things are not making sense with this:

Why would a Panic button be WIFI based and not 400khz to a local receiver?

If it's only for staff, why is there a need for one in each room and not 
just a panic button carried on their person?


I know others on this list service/manage hotels.  Have you heard 
anything about this?


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Re: [AFMUG] Adding Aviat Radios to LibreNMS?

[Mike Hammett]

So many vendors have absolutely terrible SNMP stacks. 


Occam\Calix is another. After enough connections, various part of the DSLAM 
just stop working, due to running out of memory. 




- 
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Intelligent Computing Solutions 

Midwest Internet Exchange 

The Brothers WISP 




- Original Message -

From: "Josh Baird"  
To: "AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group"  
Sent: Tuesday, January 19, 2021 4:11:57 PM 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Adding Aviat Radios to LibreNMS? 


So - I'm the one who added Aviat support to LibreNMS. But, it doesn't work, 
because Aviat's current SNMP agent dies and becomes unresponsive after 15 or so 
consecutive queries. This causes LibreNMS to timeout frequently during 
discovery and polling sessions. Fingers crossed that this is fixed in a future 
version of the Aviat OS. 


On Tue, Jan 19, 2021 at 3:37 PM Steve Jones < thatoneguyst...@gmail.com > 
wrote: 



me too, i wanna know 


On Tue, Jan 19, 2021 at 9:38 AM Sam Lambie < samtaos...@gmail.com > wrote: 



I have never added a custom MIB to libreNMS. When I add a set of Aviat 80ghz 
radios to libre, it picks up the SNMP name, and that is it. Has anyone 
successfully been able to poll RSSI, throughput and all the goodies? 


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Re: [AFMUG] Adding Aviat Radios to LibreNMS?

[Steve Jones]

they just had that emergency update for radios getting killed in the cold
if they were monitored or something

On Tue, Jan 19, 2021 at 4:12 PM Josh Baird  wrote:

> So - I'm the one who added Aviat support to LibreNMS.  But, it doesn't
> work, because Aviat's current SNMP agent dies and becomes unresponsive
> after 15 or so consecutive queries.  This causes LibreNMS to timeout
> frequently during discovery and polling sessions.  Fingers crossed that
> this is fixed in a future version of the Aviat OS.
>
> On Tue, Jan 19, 2021 at 3:37 PM Steve Jones 
> wrote:
>
>> me too, i wanna know
>>
>> On Tue, Jan 19, 2021 at 9:38 AM Sam Lambie  wrote:
>>
>>> I have never added a custom MIB to libreNMS. When I add a set of Aviat
>>> 80ghz radios to libre, it picks up the SNMP name, and that is it. Has
>>> anyone successfully been able to poll RSSI, throughput and all the goodies?
>>>
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Re: [AFMUG] Adding Aviat Radios to LibreNMS?

[Josh Baird]

So - I'm the one who added Aviat support to LibreNMS.  But, it doesn't
work, because Aviat's current SNMP agent dies and becomes unresponsive
after 15 or so consecutive queries.  This causes LibreNMS to timeout
frequently during discovery and polling sessions.  Fingers crossed that
this is fixed in a future version of the Aviat OS.

On Tue, Jan 19, 2021 at 3:37 PM Steve Jones 
wrote:

> me too, i wanna know
>
> On Tue, Jan 19, 2021 at 9:38 AM Sam Lambie  wrote:
>
>> I have never added a custom MIB to libreNMS. When I add a set of Aviat
>> 80ghz radios to libre, it picks up the SNMP name, and that is it. Has
>> anyone successfully been able to poll RSSI, throughput and all the goodies?
>>
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>> 575-758-7598 Office
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Re: [AFMUG] router programming

[Mike Hammett]

*nods* I don't think I've ever had an OSPF reliability issue. 


I brought up a few examples of 1072 reliability issues from this thread in 
another group of Mikrotik-smart people and the consensus was that none of them 
had seen a 1072 reliability issue that wasn't the cause of someone using it 
incorrectly. 





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- Original Message -

From: "Josh Luthman"  
To: "AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group"  
Sent: Tuesday, January 19, 2021 2:20:00 PM 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] router programming 


While I haven't seen that myself, it sure sounds like you're comparing the 
hardware reliability of a $50 hex versus a $10,000 Juniper or Cisco. Remember 
this started with a need for 1-2 gig of traffic and fear of using Mikrotik for 
that job. 


Only time I've personally had issues with OSPF is on older versions or bad RF 
links. 





Josh Luthman 
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Direct: 937-552-2343 
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Suite 1337 
Troy, OH 45373 



On Tue, Jan 19, 2021 at 2:14 PM Cassidy B. Larson < c...@infowest.com > wrote: 



Software updates for one. We have hundreds of hex units out there. We push out 
security upgrades regularly. Often times one doesnt come up after the upgrade 
and will need to be swapped as it’s dead. 


OSPF on routeros is also where we’ve had plenty of issues. We’ve just decided 
to pull OSPF all together on the leaf ones that have it configured so networks 
are more stable. 








On Jan 19, 2021, at 12:02 PM, Mike Hammett < af...@ics-il.net > wrote: 


Where have you seen it be not stable? 




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Midwest Internet Exchange 

The Brothers WISP 






From: "Cassidy B. Larson" < c...@infowest.com > 
To: "AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group" < af@af.afmug.com > 
Sent: Tuesday, January 19, 2021 12:59:40 PM 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] router programming 

It’s like playing Jenga. It’s stable until you start making changes. You keep 
running the risk of it toppling over after every change, or it could continue 
to be stable until the next change :) 




On Jan 19, 2021, at 11:56, Chuck McCown via AF < af@af.afmug.com > wrote: 









Not a binary thing. Less stable than others perhaps. 




From: Ryan Ray 
Sent: Tuesday, January 19, 2021 11:20 AM 
To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] router programming 


Guess we'll have to agree to disagree. 


On Tue, Jan 19, 2021 at 9:48 AM Mike Hammett < af...@ics-il.net > wrote: 




The route filters is one. 

There certainly are others, but I've had the same experiences with brand new 
iron with support contracts. Shit happens. 


Saying the platform isn't stable is disingenuous when there are many people 
using it successfully in a variety of environments. 




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Intelligent Computing Solutions 

Midwest Internet Exchange 

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From: "Ryan Ray" < ryan...@gmail.com > 
To: "AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group" < af@af.afmug.com > 
Sent: Tuesday, January 19, 2021 11:44:33 AM 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] router programming 


I think you're being disingenuous if you're saying that you have never run into 
an error or bug on Mikrotik where the only fix is a reboot or to shut services 
on or off or bring an interface down then up. 




On Tue, Jan 19, 2021 at 9:36 AM Ryan Ray < ryan...@gmail.com > wrote: 



That's cool, I'm happy for you. In our experience Mikrotik isn't stable on the 
Long Term branches. 



On Tue, Jan 19, 2021 at 8:34 AM Adair Winter < ada...@amarillowireless.net > 
wrote: 



Yet some of us run hundreds of tik routers and 16 plus gb of traffic all day 
erry day. 
It's about know how to make the tools work. 


On Mon, Jan 18, 2021, 3:04 PM Ryan Ray < ryan...@gmail.com > wrote: 



Cause it's not a stable platform. 



On Mon, Jan 18, 2021 at 12:22 PM Mike Hammett < af...@ics-il.net > wrote: 




Why would you be surprised when Mikrotik worked? 




- 
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Midwest Internet Exchange 

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From: "Dev" < d...@logicalwebhost.com > 
To: "AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group" < af@af.afmug.com > 
Sent: Monday, January 18, 2021 2:20:23 PM 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] router programming 

Even used Juniper gear will lead to far less sleepless nights than MT, a lot 
easier to find experts too. And they’re just…less Mikrotiky. People are 
surprised when Mikrotik works, people are surprised when Juniper doesn’t, 
that’s the difference. 





On Jan 18, 2021, at 8:24 AM, Chuck McCown via AF < af@af.afmug.com > wrote: 





I use it for my FTTH delivery system. GPON. 




From: Josh Baird 
Sent: Monday, January 18, 2021 9:19 AM 



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Re: [AFMUG] Adding Aviat Radios to LibreNMS?

[Steve Jones]

me too, i wanna know

On Tue, Jan 19, 2021 at 9:38 AM Sam Lambie  wrote:

> I have never added a custom MIB to libreNMS. When I add a set of Aviat
> 80ghz radios to libre, it picks up the SNMP name, and that is it. Has
> anyone successfully been able to poll RSSI, throughput and all the goodies?
>
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Re: [AFMUG] router programming

[Josh Luthman]

While I haven't seen that myself, it sure sounds like you're comparing the
hardware reliability of a $50 hex versus a $10,000 Juniper or Cisco.
Remember this started with a need for 1-2 gig of traffic and fear of using
Mikrotik for that job.

Only time I've personally had issues with OSPF is on older versions or bad
RF links.

Josh Luthman
24/7 Help Desk: 937-552-2340
Direct: 937-552-2343
1100 Wayne St
Suite 1337
Troy, OH 45373


On Tue, Jan 19, 2021 at 2:14 PM Cassidy B. Larson  wrote:

> Software updates for one.  We have hundreds of hex units out there. We
> push out security upgrades regularly. Often times one doesnt come up after
> the upgrade and will need to be swapped as it’s dead.
>
> OSPF on routeros is also where we’ve had plenty of issues.  We’ve just
> decided to pull OSPF all together on the leaf ones that have it configured
> so networks are more stable.
>
>
>
> On Jan 19, 2021, at 12:02 PM, Mike Hammett  wrote:
>
> Where have you seen it be not stable?
>
>
>
> -
> Mike Hammett
> Intelligent Computing Solutions 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> Midwest Internet Exchange 
> 
> 
> 
> The Brothers WISP 
> 
>
>
> 
> --
> *From: *"Cassidy B. Larson" 
> *To: *"AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group" 
> *Sent: *Tuesday, January 19, 2021 12:59:40 PM
> *Subject: *Re: [AFMUG] router programming
>
> It’s like playing Jenga. It’s stable until you start making changes. You
> keep running the risk of it toppling over after every change, or it could
> continue to be stable until the next change :)
>
> On Jan 19, 2021, at 11:56, Chuck McCown via AF  wrote:
>
> 
> Not a binary thing.  Less stable than others perhaps.
>
> *From:* Ryan Ray
> *Sent:* Tuesday, January 19, 2021 11:20 AM
> *To:* AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group
> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] router programming
>
> Guess we'll have to agree to disagree.
>
> On Tue, Jan 19, 2021 at 9:48 AM Mike Hammett  wrote:
>
>> The route filters is one.
>>
>> There certainly are others, but I've had the same experiences with brand
>> new iron with support contracts. Shit happens.
>>
>>
>> Saying the platform isn't stable is disingenuous when there are many
>> people using it successfully in a variety of environments.
>>
>>
>>
>> -
>> Mike Hammett
>> Intelligent Computing Solutions 
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> Midwest Internet Exchange 
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> The Brothers WISP 
>> 
>>
>>
>> 
>> --
>> *From: *"Ryan Ray" 
>> *To: *"AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group" 
>> *Sent: *Tuesday, January 19, 2021 11:44:33 AM
>> *Subject: *Re: [AFMUG] router programming
>>
>> I think you're being disingenuous if you're saying that you have never
>> run into an error or bug on Mikrotik where the only fix is a reboot or to
>> shut services on or off or bring an interface down then up.
>>
>>
>>
>> On Tue, Jan 19, 2021 at 9:36 AM Ryan Ray  wrote:
>>
>>> That's cool, I'm happy for you. In our experience Mikrotik isn't stable
>>> on the Long Term branches.
>>>
>>>
>>> On Tue, Jan 19, 2021 at 8:34 AM Adair Winter <
>>> ada...@amarillowireless.net> wrote:
>>>
 Yet some of us run hundreds of tik routers and 16 plus gb of traffic
 all day erry day.
 It's about know how to make the tools work.

 On Mon, Jan 18, 2021, 3:04 PM Ryan Ray  wrote:

> Cause it's not a stable platform.
>
>
> On Mon, Jan 18, 2021 at 12:22 PM Mike Hammett 
> wrote:
>
>> Why would you be surprised when Mikrotik worked?
>>
>>
>>
>> -
>> Mike Hammett
>> Intelligent Computing Solutions 
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> Midwest Internet Exchange 
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> The Broth

Re: [AFMUG] router programming

[Cassidy B. Larson]

Software updates for one.  We have hundreds of hex units out there. We push out 
security upgrades regularly. Often times one doesnt come up after the upgrade 
and will need to be swapped as it’s dead. 

OSPF on routeros is also where we’ve had plenty of issues.  We’ve just decided 
to pull OSPF all together on the leaf ones that have it configured so networks 
are more stable.  



> On Jan 19, 2021, at 12:02 PM, Mike Hammett  wrote:
> 
> Where have you seen it be not stable?
> 
> 
> 
> -
> Mike Hammett
> Intelligent Computing Solutions 
>   
>  
>  
> 
> Midwest Internet Exchange 
>   
>  
> 
> The Brothers WISP 
>  
> 
> 
>  
> From: "Cassidy B. Larson" 
> To: "AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group" 
> Sent: Tuesday, January 19, 2021 12:59:40 PM
> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] router programming
> 
> It’s like playing Jenga. It’s stable until you start making changes. You keep 
> running the risk of it toppling over after every change, or it could continue 
> to be stable until the next change :)
> 
> On Jan 19, 2021, at 11:56, Chuck McCown via AF  wrote:
> 
> 
> Not a binary thing.  Less stable than others perhaps.  
>  
> From: Ryan Ray <>
> Sent: Tuesday, January 19, 2021 11:20 AM
> To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group <>
> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] router programming
>  
> Guess we'll have to agree to disagree. 
>  
> On Tue, Jan 19, 2021 at 9:48 AM Mike Hammett > wrote:
> The route filters is one. 
>  
> There certainly are others, but I've had the same experiences with brand new 
> iron with support contracts. Shit happens.
>  
>  
> Saying the platform isn't stable is disingenuous when there are many people 
> using it successfully in a variety of environments.
> 
> 
> 
> -
> Mike Hammett
> Intelligent Computing Solutions 
>   
>  
>  
> 
> Midwest Internet Exchange 
>   
>  
> 
> The Brothers WISP 
>  
> 
> 
>  
> From: "Ryan Ray" >
> To: "AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group" >
> Sent: Tuesday, January 19, 2021 11:44:33 AM
> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] router programming
> 
> I think you're being disingenuous if you're saying that you have never run 
> into an error or bug on Mikrotik where the only fix is a reboot or to shut 
> services on or off or bring an interface down then up. 
>  
>  
>  
> On Tue, Jan 19, 2021 at 9:36 AM Ryan Ray > wrote:
> That's cool, I'm happy for you. In our experience Mikrotik isn't stable on 
> the Long Term branches.  
>  
>  
> On Tue, Jan 19, 2021 at 8:34 AM Adair Winter > 
> wrote:
> Yet some of us run hundreds of tik routers and 16 plus gb of traffic all day 
> erry day. 
> It's about know how to make the tools work.
>  
> On Mon, Jan 18, 2021, 3:04 PM Ryan Ray > wrote:
> Cause it's not a stable platform. 
>  
>  
> On Mon, Jan 18, 2021 at 12:22 PM Mike Hammett > wrote:
> Why would you be surprised when Mikrotik worked?
> 
> 
> 
> -
> Mike Hammett
> Intelligent Computing Solutions 
>   
>  
>  
> 
> Midwest Internet Exchange 
>   
>  
> 
> The Brothers WISP 
>  
> 
> 
>  
> From: "Dev" >
> To: "AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group" >
> Sent: Monday, January 18, 2021 2:20:23 PM
> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] router programming
> 
> Even used Juniper gear will lead to far less sleepless nights than MT, a lot 
> easier to find experts too. And they’re just…less Mikrotiky. People are 
> surprised when Mikrotik works, people are surprised when Juniper doesn’t, 
> that’s the difference.
> 
> On Jan 18, 2021, at 8:24 AM, Chuck McCown via AF > wrote:
>  
> I use it for my FTTH delivery system.  GPON.  
>  
> From: Josh Baird <>
> Sen

Re: [AFMUG] router programming

[Mike Hammett]

Where have you seen it be not stable? 




- 
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Intelligent Computing Solutions 

Midwest Internet Exchange 

The Brothers WISP 




- Original Message -

From: "Cassidy B. Larson"  
To: "AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group"  
Sent: Tuesday, January 19, 2021 12:59:40 PM 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] router programming 

It’s like playing Jenga. It’s stable until you start making changes. You keep 
running the risk of it toppling over after every change, or it could continue 
to be stable until the next change :) 




On Jan 19, 2021, at 11:56, Chuck McCown via AF  wrote: 









Not a binary thing. Less stable than others perhaps. 




From: Ryan Ray 
Sent: Tuesday, January 19, 2021 11:20 AM 
To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] router programming 


Guess we'll have to agree to disagree. 


On Tue, Jan 19, 2021 at 9:48 AM Mike Hammett < af...@ics-il.net > wrote: 




The route filters is one. 

There certainly are others, but I've had the same experiences with brand new 
iron with support contracts. Shit happens. 


Saying the platform isn't stable is disingenuous when there are many people 
using it successfully in a variety of environments. 




- 
Mike Hammett 
Intelligent Computing Solutions 

Midwest Internet Exchange 

The Brothers WISP 






From: "Ryan Ray" < ryan...@gmail.com > 
To: "AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group" < af@af.afmug.com > 
Sent: Tuesday, January 19, 2021 11:44:33 AM 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] router programming 


I think you're being disingenuous if you're saying that you have never run into 
an error or bug on Mikrotik where the only fix is a reboot or to shut services 
on or off or bring an interface down then up. 




On Tue, Jan 19, 2021 at 9:36 AM Ryan Ray < ryan...@gmail.com > wrote: 



That's cool, I'm happy for you. In our experience Mikrotik isn't stable on the 
Long Term branches. 



On Tue, Jan 19, 2021 at 8:34 AM Adair Winter < ada...@amarillowireless.net > 
wrote: 



Yet some of us run hundreds of tik routers and 16 plus gb of traffic all day 
erry day. 
It's about know how to make the tools work. 


On Mon, Jan 18, 2021, 3:04 PM Ryan Ray < ryan...@gmail.com > wrote: 



Cause it's not a stable platform. 



On Mon, Jan 18, 2021 at 12:22 PM Mike Hammett < af...@ics-il.net > wrote: 




Why would you be surprised when Mikrotik worked? 




- 
Mike Hammett 
Intelligent Computing Solutions 

Midwest Internet Exchange 

The Brothers WISP 






From: "Dev" < d...@logicalwebhost.com > 
To: "AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group" < af@af.afmug.com > 
Sent: Monday, January 18, 2021 2:20:23 PM 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] router programming 

Even used Juniper gear will lead to far less sleepless nights than MT, a lot 
easier to find experts too. And they’re just…less Mikrotiky. People are 
surprised when Mikrotik works, people are surprised when Juniper doesn’t, 
that’s the difference. 





On Jan 18, 2021, at 8:24 AM, Chuck McCown via AF < af@af.afmug.com > wrote: 





I use it for my FTTH delivery system. GPON. 




From: Josh Baird 
Sent: Monday, January 18, 2021 9:19 AM 



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Re: [AFMUG] router programming

[Cassidy B. Larson]

It’s like playing Jenga. It’s stable until you start making changes. You keep 
running the risk of it toppling over after every change, or it could continue 
to be stable until the next change :)

> On Jan 19, 2021, at 11:56, Chuck McCown via AF  wrote:
> 
> 
> Not a binary thing.  Less stable than others perhaps. 
>  
> From: Ryan Ray
> Sent: Tuesday, January 19, 2021 11:20 AM
> To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group
> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] router programming
>  
> Guess we'll have to agree to disagree.
>  
> On Tue, Jan 19, 2021 at 9:48 AM Mike Hammett  wrote:
>> The route filters is one.
>>  
>> There certainly are others, but I've had the same experiences with brand new 
>> iron with support contracts. Shit happens.
>>  
>>  
>> Saying the platform isn't stable is disingenuous when there are many people 
>> using it successfully in a variety of environments.
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> -
>> Mike Hammett
>> Intelligent Computing Solutions
>> 
>> Midwest Internet Exchange
>> 
>> The Brothers WISP
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> From: "Ryan Ray" 
>> To: "AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group" 
>> Sent: Tuesday, January 19, 2021 11:44:33 AM
>> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] router programming
>> 
>> I think you're being disingenuous if you're saying that you have never run 
>> into an error or bug on Mikrotik where the only fix is a reboot or to shut 
>> services on or off or bring an interface down then up.
>>  
>>  
>>  
>> On Tue, Jan 19, 2021 at 9:36 AM Ryan Ray  wrote:
>>> That's cool, I'm happy for you. In our experience Mikrotik isn't stable on 
>>> the Long Term branches. 
>>>  
>>>  
>>> On Tue, Jan 19, 2021 at 8:34 AM Adair Winter  
>>> wrote:
 Yet some of us run hundreds of tik routers and 16 plus gb of traffic all 
 day erry day.
 It's about know how to make the tools work.
  
 On Mon, Jan 18, 2021, 3:04 PM Ryan Ray  wrote:
> Cause it's not a stable platform.
>  
>  
> On Mon, Jan 18, 2021 at 12:22 PM Mike Hammett  wrote:
>> Why would you be surprised when Mikrotik worked?
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> -
>> Mike Hammett
>> Intelligent Computing Solutions
>> 
>> Midwest Internet Exchange
>> 
>> The Brothers WISP
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> From: "Dev" 
>> To: "AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group" 
>> Sent: Monday, January 18, 2021 2:20:23 PM
>> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] router programming
>> 
>> Even used Juniper gear will lead to far less sleepless nights than MT, a 
>> lot easier to find experts too. And they’re just…less Mikrotiky. People 
>> are surprised when Mikrotik works, people are surprised when Juniper 
>> doesn’t, that’s the difference.
>> 
>> On Jan 18, 2021, at 8:24 AM, Chuck McCown via AF  wrote:
>>  
>> I use it for my FTTH delivery system.  GPON. 
>>  
>> From: Josh Baird
>> Sent: Monday, January 18, 2021 9:19 AM
>> 
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Re: [AFMUG] router programming

[Chuck McCown via AF]

Not a binary thing.  Less stable than others perhaps.  

From: Ryan Ray 
Sent: Tuesday, January 19, 2021 11:20 AM
To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] router programming

Guess we'll have to agree to disagree. 

On Tue, Jan 19, 2021 at 9:48 AM Mike Hammett  wrote:

  The route filters is one. 

  There certainly are others, but I've had the same experiences with brand new 
iron with support contracts. Shit happens.


  Saying the platform isn't stable is disingenuous when there are many people 
using it successfully in a variety of environments.




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  From: "Ryan Ray" 
  To: "AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group" 
  Sent: Tuesday, January 19, 2021 11:44:33 AM
  Subject: Re: [AFMUG] router programming


  I think you're being disingenuous if you're saying that you have never run 
into an error or bug on Mikrotik where the only fix is a reboot or to shut 
services on or off or bring an interface down then up. 



  On Tue, Jan 19, 2021 at 9:36 AM Ryan Ray  wrote:

That's cool, I'm happy for you. In our experience Mikrotik isn't stable on 
the Long Term branches.  


On Tue, Jan 19, 2021 at 8:34 AM Adair Winter  
wrote:

  Yet some of us run hundreds of tik routers and 16 plus gb of traffic all 
day erry day. 
  It's about know how to make the tools work.

  On Mon, Jan 18, 2021, 3:04 PM Ryan Ray  wrote:

Cause it's not a stable platform. 


On Mon, Jan 18, 2021 at 12:22 PM Mike Hammett  wrote:

  Why would you be surprised when Mikrotik worked?




  -
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  Sent: Monday, January 18, 2021 2:20:23 PM
  Subject: Re: [AFMUG] router programming

  Even used Juniper gear will lead to far less sleepless nights than 
MT, a lot easier to find experts too. And they’re just…less Mikrotiky. People 
are surprised when Mikrotik works, people are surprised when Juniper doesn’t, 
that’s the difference.



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I use it for my FTTH delivery system.  GPON.  

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Re: [AFMUG] router programming

[Ryan Ray]

Guess we'll have to agree to disagree.

On Tue, Jan 19, 2021 at 9:48 AM Mike Hammett  wrote:

> The route filters is one.
>
> There certainly are others, but I've had the same experiences with brand
> new iron with support contracts. Shit happens.
>
>
> Saying the platform isn't stable is disingenuous when there are many
> people using it successfully in a variety of environments.
>
>
>
> -
> Mike Hammett
> Intelligent Computing Solutions 
> 
> 
> 
> 
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> 
> 
> 
> The Brothers WISP 
> 
>
>
> 
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> *From: *"Ryan Ray" 
> *To: *"AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group" 
> *Sent: *Tuesday, January 19, 2021 11:44:33 AM
> *Subject: *Re: [AFMUG] router programming
>
> I think you're being disingenuous if you're saying that you have never run
> into an error or bug on Mikrotik where the only fix is a reboot or to shut
> services on or off or bring an interface down then up.
>
>
>
> On Tue, Jan 19, 2021 at 9:36 AM Ryan Ray  wrote:
>
>> That's cool, I'm happy for you. In our experience Mikrotik isn't stable
>> on the Long Term branches.
>>
>>
>> On Tue, Jan 19, 2021 at 8:34 AM Adair Winter 
>> wrote:
>>
>>> Yet some of us run hundreds of tik routers and 16 plus gb of traffic all
>>> day erry day.
>>> It's about know how to make the tools work.
>>>
>>> On Mon, Jan 18, 2021, 3:04 PM Ryan Ray  wrote:
>>>
 Cause it's not a stable platform.


 On Mon, Jan 18, 2021 at 12:22 PM Mike Hammett  wrote:

> Why would you be surprised when Mikrotik worked?
>
>
>
> -
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> 
> 
> 
> 
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> 
> 
> 
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>
> 
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> *From: *"Dev" 
> *To: *"AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group" 
> *Sent: *Monday, January 18, 2021 2:20:23 PM
> *Subject: *Re: [AFMUG] router programming
>
> Even used Juniper gear will lead to far less sleepless nights than MT,
> a lot easier to find experts too. And they’re just…less Mikrotiky. People
> are surprised when Mikrotik works, people are surprised when Juniper
> doesn’t, that’s the difference.
>
> On Jan 18, 2021, at 8:24 AM, Chuck McCown via AF 
> wrote:
>
> I use it for my FTTH delivery system.  GPON.
>
> *From:* Josh Baird
> *Sent:* Monday, January 18, 2021 9:19 AM
>
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Re: [AFMUG] router programming

[Mike Hammett]

The route filters is one. 


There certainly are others, but I've had the same experiences with brand new 
iron with support contracts. Shit happens. 




Saying the platform isn't stable is disingenuous when there are many people 
using it successfully in a variety of environments. 




- 
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Intelligent Computing Solutions 

Midwest Internet Exchange 

The Brothers WISP 




- Original Message -

From: "Ryan Ray"  
To: "AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group"  
Sent: Tuesday, January 19, 2021 11:44:33 AM 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] router programming 


I think you're being disingenuous if you're saying that you have never run into 
an error or bug on Mikrotik where the only fix is a reboot or to shut services 
on or off or bring an interface down then up. 






On Tue, Jan 19, 2021 at 9:36 AM Ryan Ray < ryan...@gmail.com > wrote: 



That's cool, I'm happy for you. In our experience Mikrotik isn't stable on the 
Long Term branches. 




On Tue, Jan 19, 2021 at 8:34 AM Adair Winter < ada...@amarillowireless.net > 
wrote: 



Yet some of us run hundreds of tik routers and 16 plus gb of traffic all day 
erry day. 
It's about know how to make the tools work. 


On Mon, Jan 18, 2021, 3:04 PM Ryan Ray < ryan...@gmail.com > wrote: 



Cause it's not a stable platform. 




On Mon, Jan 18, 2021 at 12:22 PM Mike Hammett < af...@ics-il.net > wrote: 




Why would you be surprised when Mikrotik worked? 




- 
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Intelligent Computing Solutions 

Midwest Internet Exchange 

The Brothers WISP 






From: "Dev" < d...@logicalwebhost.com > 
To: "AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group" < af@af.afmug.com > 
Sent: Monday, January 18, 2021 2:20:23 PM 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] router programming 

Even used Juniper gear will lead to far less sleepless nights than MT, a lot 
easier to find experts too. And they’re just…less Mikrotiky. People are 
surprised when Mikrotik works, people are surprised when Juniper doesn’t, 
that’s the difference. 





On Jan 18, 2021, at 8:24 AM, Chuck McCown via AF < af@af.afmug.com > wrote: 





I use it for my FTTH delivery system. GPON. 




From: Josh Baird 
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Re: [AFMUG] router programming

[Ryan Ray]

I think you're being disingenuous if you're saying that you have never run
into an error or bug on Mikrotik where the only fix is a reboot or to shut
services on or off or bring an interface down then up.



On Tue, Jan 19, 2021 at 9:36 AM Ryan Ray  wrote:

> That's cool, I'm happy for you. In our experience Mikrotik isn't stable on
> the Long Term branches.
>
>
> On Tue, Jan 19, 2021 at 8:34 AM Adair Winter 
> wrote:
>
>> Yet some of us run hundreds of tik routers and 16 plus gb of traffic all
>> day erry day.
>> It's about know how to make the tools work.
>>
>> On Mon, Jan 18, 2021, 3:04 PM Ryan Ray  wrote:
>>
>>> Cause it's not a stable platform.
>>>
>>>
>>> On Mon, Jan 18, 2021 at 12:22 PM Mike Hammett  wrote:
>>>
 Why would you be surprised when Mikrotik worked?



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 *From: *"Dev" 
 *To: *"AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group" 
 *Sent: *Monday, January 18, 2021 2:20:23 PM
 *Subject: *Re: [AFMUG] router programming

 Even used Juniper gear will lead to far less sleepless nights than MT,
 a lot easier to find experts too. And they’re just…less Mikrotiky. People
 are surprised when Mikrotik works, people are surprised when Juniper
 doesn’t, that’s the difference.

 On Jan 18, 2021, at 8:24 AM, Chuck McCown via AF 
 wrote:

 I use it for my FTTH delivery system.  GPON.

 *From:* Josh Baird
 *Sent:* Monday, January 18, 2021 9:19 AM



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Re: [AFMUG] router programming

[Ryan Ray]

That's cool, I'm happy for you. In our experience Mikrotik isn't stable on
the Long Term branches.


On Tue, Jan 19, 2021 at 8:34 AM Adair Winter 
wrote:

> Yet some of us run hundreds of tik routers and 16 plus gb of traffic all
> day erry day.
> It's about know how to make the tools work.
>
> On Mon, Jan 18, 2021, 3:04 PM Ryan Ray  wrote:
>
>> Cause it's not a stable platform.
>>
>>
>> On Mon, Jan 18, 2021 at 12:22 PM Mike Hammett  wrote:
>>
>>> Why would you be surprised when Mikrotik worked?
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> -
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>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
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>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> The Brothers WISP 
>>> 
>>>
>>>
>>> 
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>>> *From: *"Dev" 
>>> *To: *"AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group" 
>>> *Sent: *Monday, January 18, 2021 2:20:23 PM
>>> *Subject: *Re: [AFMUG] router programming
>>>
>>> Even used Juniper gear will lead to far less sleepless nights than MT, a
>>> lot easier to find experts too. And they’re just…less Mikrotiky. People are
>>> surprised when Mikrotik works, people are surprised when Juniper doesn’t,
>>> that’s the difference.
>>>
>>> On Jan 18, 2021, at 8:24 AM, Chuck McCown via AF 
>>> wrote:
>>>
>>> I use it for my FTTH delivery system.  GPON.
>>>
>>> *From:* Josh Baird
>>> *Sent:* Monday, January 18, 2021 9:19 AM
>>>
>>>
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Re: [AFMUG] router programming

[Mike Hammett]

This one? 



What's new in 6.42.1 (2018-Apr-23 10:46): 


!) winbox - fixed vulnerability that allowed to gain access to an unsecured 
router; 




Yes, I am running a more recent version. Also, I have an aggressive input 
firewall. 



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- Original Message -

From: "Josh Luthman"  
To: "AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group"  
Sent: Tuesday, January 19, 2021 10:21:27 AM 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] router programming 


My only comment about that uptime...does that have the bug fixes from that 
authentication issue? 





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Direct: 937-552-2343 
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On Mon, Jan 18, 2021 at 4:41 PM Mike Hammett < af...@ics-il.net > wrote: 




" Anything that doesn't stay up pretty much constantly without needing reboots 
or services reset I would consider not stable." 


So then Mikrotik should be fine. 





450 day router uptime, 446 day BGP session uptime to the second router at that 
location, 306 day BGP session uptime to Cogent. 




Seems to work pretty good here. 






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Midwest Internet Exchange 

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From: "Ryan Ray" < ryan...@gmail.com > 
To: "AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group" < af@af.afmug.com > 
Sent: Monday, January 18, 2021 3:19:36 PM 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] router programming 


Anything that doesn't stay up pretty much constantly without needing reboots or 
services reset I would consider not stable. 


Our OSPF and BGP on Mikrotik has not been flawless, but it has been flawless on 
our juniper mx204 edge routers. 


On Mon, Jan 18, 2021 at 1:06 PM Mike Hammett < af...@ics-il.net > wrote: 




There are definitely some weak spots (route filters can be finicky and 
sometimes require senseless manipulation to recover from), but I wouldn't say 
it's not stable. 




- 
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Midwest Internet Exchange 

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From: "Ryan Ray" < ryan...@gmail.com > 
To: "AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group" < af@af.afmug.com > 
Sent: Monday, January 18, 2021 3:03:20 PM 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] router programming 


Cause it's not a stable platform. 




On Mon, Jan 18, 2021 at 12:22 PM Mike Hammett < af...@ics-il.net > wrote: 




Why would you be surprised when Mikrotik worked? 




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From: "Dev" < d...@logicalwebhost.com > 
To: "AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group" < af@af.afmug.com > 
Sent: Monday, January 18, 2021 2:20:23 PM 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] router programming 

Even used Juniper gear will lead to far less sleepless nights than MT, a lot 
easier to find experts too. And they’re just…less Mikrotiky. People are 
surprised when Mikrotik works, people are surprised when Juniper doesn’t, 
that’s the difference. 





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I use it for my FTTH delivery system. GPON. 




From: Josh Baird 
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Re: [AFMUG] router programming

[Adair Winter]

Yet some of us run hundreds of tik routers and 16 plus gb of traffic all
day erry day.
It's about know how to make the tools work.

On Mon, Jan 18, 2021, 3:04 PM Ryan Ray  wrote:

> Cause it's not a stable platform.
>
>
> On Mon, Jan 18, 2021 at 12:22 PM Mike Hammett  wrote:
>
>> Why would you be surprised when Mikrotik worked?
>>
>>
>>
>> -
>> Mike Hammett
>> Intelligent Computing Solutions 
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> 
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>> 
>> 
>> 
>> The Brothers WISP 
>> 
>>
>>
>> 
>> --
>> *From: *"Dev" 
>> *To: *"AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group" 
>> *Sent: *Monday, January 18, 2021 2:20:23 PM
>> *Subject: *Re: [AFMUG] router programming
>>
>> Even used Juniper gear will lead to far less sleepless nights than MT, a
>> lot easier to find experts too. And they’re just…less Mikrotiky. People are
>> surprised when Mikrotik works, people are surprised when Juniper doesn’t,
>> that’s the difference.
>>
>> On Jan 18, 2021, at 8:24 AM, Chuck McCown via AF  wrote:
>>
>> I use it for my FTTH delivery system.  GPON.
>>
>> *From:* Josh Baird
>> *Sent:* Monday, January 18, 2021 9:19 AM
>>
>>
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Re: [AFMUG] router programming

[Josh Luthman]

My only comment about that uptime...does that have the bug fixes from that
authentication issue?

Josh Luthman
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Direct: 937-552-2343
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Suite 1337
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On Mon, Jan 18, 2021 at 4:41 PM Mike Hammett  wrote:

> "Anything that doesn't stay up pretty much constantly without needing
> reboots or services reset I would consider not stable."
>
> So then Mikrotik should be fine.
>
>
> 450 day router uptime, 446 day BGP session uptime to the second router at
> that location, 306 day BGP session uptime to Cogent.
>
>
> Seems to work pretty good here.
>
>
>
>
> -
> Mike Hammett
> Intelligent Computing Solutions 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> Midwest Internet Exchange 
> 
> 
> 
> The Brothers WISP 
> 
>
>
> 
> --
> *From: *"Ryan Ray" 
> *To: *"AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group" 
> *Sent: *Monday, January 18, 2021 3:19:36 PM
> *Subject: *Re: [AFMUG] router programming
>
> Anything that doesn't stay up pretty much constantly without needing
> reboots or services reset I would consider not stable.
>
> Our OSPF and BGP on Mikrotik has not been flawless, but it has been
> flawless on our juniper mx204 edge routers.
>
> On Mon, Jan 18, 2021 at 1:06 PM Mike Hammett  wrote:
>
>> There are definitely some weak spots (route filters can be finicky and
>> sometimes require senseless manipulation to recover from), but I wouldn't
>> say it's not stable.
>>
>>
>>
>> -
>> Mike Hammett
>> Intelligent Computing Solutions 
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> Midwest Internet Exchange 
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> The Brothers WISP 
>> 
>>
>>
>> 
>> --
>> *From: *"Ryan Ray" 
>> *To: *"AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group" 
>> *Sent: *Monday, January 18, 2021 3:03:20 PM
>> *Subject: *Re: [AFMUG] router programming
>>
>> Cause it's not a stable platform.
>>
>>
>> On Mon, Jan 18, 2021 at 12:22 PM Mike Hammett  wrote:
>>
>>> Why would you be surprised when Mikrotik worked?
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> -
>>> Mike Hammett
>>> Intelligent Computing Solutions 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
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>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
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>>> 
>>>
>>>
>>> 
>>> --
>>> *From: *"Dev" 
>>> *To: *"AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group" 
>>> *Sent: *Monday, January 18, 2021 2:20:23 PM
>>> *Subject: *Re: [AFMUG] router programming
>>>
>>> Even used Juniper gear will lead to far less sleepless nights than MT, a
>>> lot easier to find experts too. And they’re just…less Mikrotiky. People are
>>> surprised when Mikrotik works, people are surprised when Juniper doesn’t,
>>> that’s the difference.
>>>
>>> On Jan 18, 2021, at 8:24 AM, Chuck McCown via AF 
>>> wrote:
>>>
>>> I use it for my FTTH delivery system.  GPON.
>>>
>>> *From:* Josh Baird
>>> *Sent:* Monday, January 18, 2021 9:19 AM
>>>
>>>
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Re: [AFMUG] router programming

[Mike Hammett]

It'll be fine. The underlying hardware is IBM. 




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- Original Message -

From: "Cassidy B. Larson"  
To: "AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group"  
Sent: Monday, January 18, 2021 4:21:50 PM 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] router programming 

Dont reboot it. It might not come back up. We’ve had that on occasion with 
Mikrotik. 


I’ve lost more Mikrotik on reboot than any other device.. ever. 






On Jan 18, 2021, at 2:49 PM, Mike Hammett < af...@ics-il.net > wrote: 


I couldn't tell you why it's only 450 days. Maybe I upgraded the OS at that 
time. Maybe someone was screwing around in the cabinet and unplugged it. It is 
in Equinix CH1, maybe Equinix lost power. ;-) 




It probably should have a lesser uptime as I should be more consistent with OS 
upgrades, but it's firewalled from the world, so the risk is mitigated. My 
point was to illustrate that in general, Mikrotik is reliable. There may be 
edge cases that aren't. There are configurations that aren't. 




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- Original Message -

From: "Mark Radabaugh" < m...@amplex.net > 
To: "AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group" < af@af.afmug.com > 
Sent: Monday, January 18, 2021 3:45:09 PM 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] router programming 

Wimpy. 


 


Of course it locked up today :-) 


Mark 





On Jan 18, 2021, at 4:40 PM, Mike Hammett < af...@ics-il.net > wrote: 


" Anything that doesn't stay up pretty much constantly without needing reboots 
or services reset I would consider not stable." 


So then Mikrotik should be fine. 


 


450 day router uptime, 446 day BGP session uptime to the second router at that 
location, 306 day BGP session uptime to Cogent. 




Seems to work pretty good here. 






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Intelligent Computing Solutions 

Midwest Internet Exchange 

The Brothers WISP 




- Original Message -

From: "Ryan Ray" < ryan...@gmail.com > 
To: "AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group" < af@af.afmug.com > 
Sent: Monday, January 18, 2021 3:19:36 PM 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] router programming 


Anything that doesn't stay up pretty much constantly without needing reboots or 
services reset I would consider not stable. 


Our OSPF and BGP on Mikrotik has not been flawless, but it has been flawless on 
our juniper mx204 edge routers. 


On Mon, Jan 18, 2021 at 1:06 PM Mike Hammett < af...@ics-il.net > wrote: 




There are definitely some weak spots (route filters can be finicky and 
sometimes require senseless manipulation to recover from), but I wouldn't say 
it's not stable. 




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Intelligent Computing Solutions 

Midwest Internet Exchange 

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From: "Ryan Ray" < ryan...@gmail.com > 
To: "AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group" < af@af.afmug.com > 
Sent: Monday, January 18, 2021 3:03:20 PM 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] router programming 


Cause it's not a stable platform. 




On Mon, Jan 18, 2021 at 12:22 PM Mike Hammett < af...@ics-il.net > wrote: 




Why would you be surprised when Mikrotik worked? 




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Mike Hammett 
Intelligent Computing Solutions 

Midwest Internet Exchange 

The Brothers WISP 






From: "Dev" < d...@logicalwebhost.com > 
To: "AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group" < af@af.afmug.com > 
Sent: Monday, January 18, 2021 2:20:23 PM 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] router programming 

Even used Juniper gear will lead to far less sleepless nights than MT, a lot 
easier to find experts too. And they’re just…less Mikrotiky. People are 
surprised when Mikrotik works, people are surprised when Juniper doesn’t, 
that’s the difference. 





On Jan 18, 2021, at 8:24 AM, Chuck McCown via AF < af@af.afmug.com > wrote: 





I use it for my FTTH delivery system. GPON. 




From: Josh Baird 
Sent: Monday, January 18, 2021 9:19 AM 



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[AFMUG] Adding Aviat Radios to LibreNMS?

[Sam Lambie]

I have never added a custom MIB to libreNMS. When I add a set of Aviat
80ghz radios to libre, it picks up the SNMP name, and that is it. Has
anyone successfully been able to poll RSSI, throughput and all the goodies?

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Re: [AFMUG] router programming

[Mark Radabaugh]

I figure it’s more like the Swiss army knife.   Very handy but never really the 
right tool for the job.   Works great until the blade breaks and you stab 
yourself.

Mark

> On Jan 19, 2021, at 9:21 AM, Dennis Burgess  wrote:
> 
> A student of mine once stated, “The best thing about MikroTik is that it does 
> everything, the worst thing about Mikrotik is that it does everything.”
>  
>  
> 
> Dennis Burgess
> 
> Mikrotik : Trainer, Network Associate, Routing Engineer, Wireless Engineer, 
> Traffic Control Engineer, Inter-Networking Engineer, Security Engineer, 
> Enterprise Wireless Engineer
> Hurricane Electric: IPv6 Sage Level
> Cambium: ePMP
>  
> Author of "Learn RouterOS- Second Edition”
> Link Technologies, Inc -- Mikrotik & WISP Support Services
> Office: 314-735-0270  Website: http://www.linktechs.net 
> 
> Create Wireless Coverage’s with www.towercoverage.com 
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> How did we do today?
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> From: AF mailto:af-boun...@af.afmug.com>> On Behalf 
> Of Mike Hammett
> Sent: Monday, January 18, 2021 3:49 PM
> To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group  >
> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] router programming
>  
> I couldn't tell you why it's only 450 days. Maybe I upgraded the OS at that 
> time. Maybe someone was screwing around in the cabinet and unplugged it. It 
> is in Equinix CH1, maybe Equinix lost power.  ;-)
>  
>  
> It probably should have a lesser uptime as I should be more consistent with 
> OS upgrades, but it's firewalled from the world, so the risk is mitigated. My 
> point was to illustrate that in general, Mikrotik is reliable. There may be 
> edge cases that aren't. There are configurations that aren't.
> 
> 
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> From: "Mark Radabaugh" mailto:m...@amplex.net>>
> To: "AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group"  >
> Sent: Monday, January 18, 2021 3:45:09 PM
> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] router programming
> 
> Wimpy.
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> 
>  
> Of course it locked up today :-)
>  
> Mark
>  
> On Jan 18, 2021, at 4:40 PM, Mike Hammett  > wrote:
>  
> "Anything that doesn't stay up pretty much constantly without needing reboots 
> or services reset I would consider not stable."
>  
> So then Mikrotik should be fine.
>  
> 
>  
> 450 day router uptime, 446 day BGP session uptime to the second router at 
> that location, 306 day BGP session uptime to Cogent.
>  
>  
> Seems to work pretty good here.
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Re: [AFMUG] router programming

[Dennis Burgess]

A student of mine once stated, “The best thing about MikroTik is that it does 
everything, the worst thing about Mikrotik is that it does everything.”


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Mikrotik : Trainer, Network Associate, Routing Engineer, Wireless Engineer, 
Traffic Control Engineer, Inter-Networking Engineer, Security Engineer, 
Enterprise Wireless Engineer
Hurricane Electric: IPv6 Sage Level
Cambium: ePMP

Author of "Learn RouterOS- Second Edition”
Link Technologies, Inc -- Mikrotik & WISP Support Services
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From: AF  On Behalf Of Mike Hammett
Sent: Monday, January 18, 2021 3:49 PM
To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] router programming

I couldn't tell you why it's only 450 days. Maybe I upgraded the OS at that 
time. Maybe someone was screwing around in the cabinet and unplugged it. It is 
in Equinix CH1, maybe Equinix lost power.  ;-)


It probably should have a lesser uptime as I should be more consistent with OS 
upgrades, but it's firewalled from the world, so the risk is mitigated. My 
point was to illustrate that in general, Mikrotik is reliable. There may be 
edge cases that aren't. There are configurations that aren't.


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From: "Mark Radabaugh" mailto:m...@amplex.net>>
To: "AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group" mailto:af@af.afmug.com>>
Sent: Monday, January 18, 2021 3:45:09 PM
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] router programming

Wimpy.

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Of course it locked up today :-)

Mark

On Jan 18, 2021, at 4:40 PM, Mike Hammett 
mailto:af...@ics-il.net>> wrote:

"Anything that doesn't stay up pretty much constantly without needing reboots 
or services reset I would consider not stable."

So then Mikrotik should be fine.



450 day router uptime, 446 day BGP session uptime to the second router at that 
location, 306 day BGP session uptime to Cogent.


Seems to work pretty good here.



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