Re: [AFMUG] Licensed radios
We run a pair of those radios...the Alcomas I mean.
Not terrible but not great either.
On 1/16/2020 4:16 PM, Mathew Howard wrote:
For what it's worth, we haven't had any problems with our new-ish
Bridgewave millimeter links.
I'm wondering if Bridgewave actually makes the Navigator themselves
anyway though... these radios appear to be more than a little bit
similar...
http://www.al-wireless.com/zenith-x
On Thu, Jan 16, 2020 at 3:34 PM Jason McKemie
<mailto:j.mcke...@veloxinetbroadband.com>> wrote:
Yes, I've heard a lot of not so great things about their older
millimeter wave gear, however.
On Thursday, January 16, 2020, Mike Hammett mailto:af...@ics-il.net>> wrote:
Bridgewave has been doing radios for a very long time, but
yes, this model is new.
-
Mike Hammett
Intelligent Computing Solutions <http://www.ics-il.com/>
<https://www.facebook.com/ICSIL><https://plus.google.com/+IntelligentComputingSolutionsDeKalb><https://www.linkedin.com/company/intelligent-computing-solutions><https://twitter.com/ICSIL>
Midwest Internet Exchange <http://www.midwest-ix.com/>
<https://www.facebook.com/mdwestix><https://www.linkedin.com/company/midwest-internet-exchange><https://twitter.com/mdwestix>
The Brothers WISP <http://www.thebrotherswisp.com/>
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<https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCXSdfxQv7SpoRQYNyLwntZg>
*From: *"Jon Langeler" mailto:jon-ispli...@michwave.net>>
*To: *"AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group" mailto:af@af.afmug.com>>
*Sent: *Thursday, January 16, 2020 9:51:22 AM
*Subject: *Re: [AFMUG] Licensed radios
Are Bridgewave radios flawlessly stable at this point? They’ve
only been out a few years so I wasn't sure if the software was
there.
Jon Langeler
Michwave Technologies, Inc.
On Jan 15, 2020, at 11:25 AM, Jason McKemie
mailto:j.mcke...@veloxinetbroadband.com>> wrote:
I believe the Navigator is around the same price. They
both claim to do double the throughput with stacked
subcarriers / A2C. I do like the single unit sparing on
the Bridgewave.
On Wednesday, January 15, 2020, Adair Winter
mailto:ada...@amarillowireless.net>> wrote:
Aviat WTM4200 dual core with 2' antennas is just over
$11k. Does 1.4Gb and has an SFP+ interface. it's my
new fave radio
On Wed, Jan 15, 2020 at 8:44 AM Erich Kaiser
mailto:er...@northcentraltower.com>> wrote:
HOw much is a fully loaded Aviat link?
Erich Kaiser
North Central Tower
er...@northcentraltower.com
<mailto:er...@northcentraltower.com>
Office: 815-570-3101
On Wed, Jan 15, 2020 at 3:31 AM Gino A. Villarini
mailto:g...@aeronetpr.com>> wrote:
Right… yeah mind f*** the 820c is a dual core
radio… the Bridgewave and Aviat radios that do
this are single core… so less $$
*From: *AF mailto:af-boun...@af.afmug.com>> on behalf of
Erich Kaiser mailto:er...@northcentraltower.com>>
*Reply-To: *AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group
mailto:af@af.afmug.com>>
*Date: *Wednesday, January 15, 2020 at 5:16 AM
*To: *AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group
mailto:af@af.afmug.com>>
*Subject: *Re: [AFMUG] Licensed radios
No you can do ACCP on one unit, you just need
a combiner that they sell that goes between
the dish and radio. Non-Adjacent channels
could be an option with two radios but
probably would do it with two PTP820S and a
combiner.
Erich Kaiser
North Central Tower
er...@northcentraltower.com
<mailto:er...@northcentraltower.com>
Office: 815-570-3101
On Wed, Jan 15, 2020 at 2:39 AM Gino A.
Villarini mailto:g...@aeronetpr.com>> wrote:
Don’t you need an extra radio for this on
the 820C?
*Gin
Re: [AFMUG] Licensed radios
Oh, yay. I have a Flex4G-1 link on the shelf that I'm planning on deploying soon. On Thu, Jan 16, 2020 at 5:43 PM Seth Mattinen wrote: > On 1/16/20 13:34, Jason McKemie wrote: > > Yes, I've heard a lot of not so great things about their older > > millimeter wave gear, however. > > > I have had a bad experience with two new Flex4G-1 links, the fancy > new 10 gigabit ones that came out in 2018. It was so bad I bought a > Siklu for one path and stored the Bridgewave. I bitched about it on this > list. I wish I'd never bought the Bridgewave because now it's just > sitting in storage, but at the time Siklu hadn't started shipping. > > -- > AF mailing list > AF@af.afmug.com > http://af.afmug.com/mailman/listinfo/af_af.afmug.com > -- AF mailing list AF@af.afmug.com http://af.afmug.com/mailman/listinfo/af_af.afmug.com
Re: [AFMUG] Licensed radios
Is the lower system gain partially due to the field replaceable diplexer? On Thursday, January 16, 2020, Tim Hardy wrote: > Latest info I have lists the system gain for the Bridgewave Navigator > balanced version, 80 MHz bw, 4096 QAM at 72.5 dBm compared to the Aviat > radio at 77.5 dBm > > On Jan 16, 2020, at 2:43 PM, Mathew Howard wrote: > > How does the system gain compare between the Aviat and Bridgewave radios? > I don't see anything listed on the publicly available spec sheet for the > Bridgewave. > > On Wed, Jan 15, 2020 at 1:29 PM Tim Hardy wrote: > >> Just so we’re comparing apples to apples, Aviat’s values are typical. >> Guaranteed values over time are 2 dB less power and 2 dB less threshold, or >> 4 dB less system gain. >> >> On Wed, Jan 15, 2020 at 2:05 PM Darin Steffl >> wrote: >> >>> Just to clarify on the aviat advanced replacement, that does not come >>> standard? I have access to their pricing tool and a 2 year standard >>> warranty is included but it does not include advanced replacement unless >>> you upgrade to that option. It's very affordable from what I saw. >>> >>> We are likely going to deploy 6 links of the wtm4200 this spring. >>> >>> On Wed, Jan 15, 2020, 12:35 PM Mathew Howard >>> wrote: >>> >>>> Yeah, xmt power looks pretty impressive on the Aviat radios. It also >>>> looks like the receive sensitivity is a couple db better than the PTP820C >>>> at any given modulation. >>>> >>>> On Wed, Jan 15, 2020 at 12:24 PM Ken Hohhof wrote: >>>> >>>>> 25.5 dBm xmt power at 4096QAM is pretty impressive. I remember >>>>> several years ago some talk of chipsets would use some sort of >>>>> predistortion technique to cancel out the distortion in the power amp, is >>>>> that what is going on in these radios? I don’t remember who the chip >>>>> vendor was. >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> *From:* AF *On Behalf Of *Adair Winter >>>>> *Sent:* Wednesday, January 15, 2020 12:15 PM >>>>> *To:* AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group >>>>> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Licensed radios >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> and we found that the WTM4200 has 5.5db more system gain then the SIAE >>>>> AP2 at 4096QAM which had better system gain then some of the other radios >>>>> on the market. >>>>> >>>>> SIAE questions if Aviat is reporting correct numbers but I don't think >>>>> they are incorrect either >>>>> >>>>> Even if Aviat's numbers are a bit exaggerated and there was only a 3db >>>>> difference that's still a whole antennas size! >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> On Wed, Jan 15, 2020 at 12:12 PM Tim Hardy >>>>> wrote: >>>>> >>>>> Yes, as I mentioned previously the system gain of the WTM 4200 at 80 >>>>> MHz bandwidth, 4096 QAM is 77.5 dBm (threshold is -52.0 dBm and tx power >>>>> is >>>>> 25.5 dBm). This provides 7.5 dB more fade margin than the AF-11 at 80 MHz >>>>> bandwidth, 1024 QAM (system gain 70.5 dBm, threshold -52.5 dBm and tx >>>>> power >>>>> is 18.0 dBm) >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> On Jan 15, 2020, at 12:58 PM, Mathew Howard >>>>> wrote: >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> Based on the required signal levels listed in Aviat's spec sheets, it >>>>> shouldn't be that hard to achieve 4096QAM. I don't remember what the >>>>> numbers were off hand, but it was well within what I would expect on a >>>>> real >>>>> world link. >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> On Wed, Jan 15, 2020 at 9:59 AM Ken Hohhof wrote: >>>>> >>>>> Just to be clear, the links are actually running at 4096QAM? That’s >>>>> pretty impressive. >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> But is it like saying you own a 250 mph car? It may be true, but you >>>>> also may not be able to verify it from personal experience. >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> &g
Re: [AFMUG] Licensed radios
So, the two radios seem to be pretty similar as far as features and price go (looks like Aviat may be a bit cheaper, but I'd have to look closer at what all is included as far as warranty, etc on each). The main advantages for Aviat seem to be a bit better system gain, and a better/longer track record. The main advantages for Bridgewave seem to be the ability to use a single unit for a high or low spare, and the fact that you can buy them through normal distribution channels (that may or may not matter). On Thu, Jan 16, 2020 at 4:34 PM Tim Hardy wrote: > Latest info I have lists the system gain for the Bridgewave Navigator > balanced version, 80 MHz bw, 4096 QAM at 72.5 dBm compared to the Aviat > radio at 77.5 dBm > > On Jan 16, 2020, at 2:43 PM, Mathew Howard wrote: > > How does the system gain compare between the Aviat and Bridgewave radios? > I don't see anything listed on the publicly available spec sheet for the > Bridgewave. > > On Wed, Jan 15, 2020 at 1:29 PM Tim Hardy wrote: > >> Just so we’re comparing apples to apples, Aviat’s values are typical. >> Guaranteed values over time are 2 dB less power and 2 dB less threshold, or >> 4 dB less system gain. >> >> On Wed, Jan 15, 2020 at 2:05 PM Darin Steffl >> wrote: >> >>> Just to clarify on the aviat advanced replacement, that does not come >>> standard? I have access to their pricing tool and a 2 year standard >>> warranty is included but it does not include advanced replacement unless >>> you upgrade to that option. It's very affordable from what I saw. >>> >>> We are likely going to deploy 6 links of the wtm4200 this spring. >>> >>> On Wed, Jan 15, 2020, 12:35 PM Mathew Howard >>> wrote: >>> >>>> Yeah, xmt power looks pretty impressive on the Aviat radios. It also >>>> looks like the receive sensitivity is a couple db better than the PTP820C >>>> at any given modulation. >>>> >>>> On Wed, Jan 15, 2020 at 12:24 PM Ken Hohhof wrote: >>>> >>>>> 25.5 dBm xmt power at 4096QAM is pretty impressive. I remember >>>>> several years ago some talk of chipsets would use some sort of >>>>> predistortion technique to cancel out the distortion in the power amp, is >>>>> that what is going on in these radios? I don’t remember who the chip >>>>> vendor was. >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> *From:* AF *On Behalf Of *Adair Winter >>>>> *Sent:* Wednesday, January 15, 2020 12:15 PM >>>>> *To:* AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group >>>>> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Licensed radios >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> and we found that the WTM4200 has 5.5db more system gain then the SIAE >>>>> AP2 at 4096QAM which had better system gain then some of the other radios >>>>> on the market. >>>>> >>>>> SIAE questions if Aviat is reporting correct numbers but I don't think >>>>> they are incorrect either >>>>> >>>>> Even if Aviat's numbers are a bit exaggerated and there was only a 3db >>>>> difference that's still a whole antennas size! >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> On Wed, Jan 15, 2020 at 12:12 PM Tim Hardy >>>>> wrote: >>>>> >>>>> Yes, as I mentioned previously the system gain of the WTM 4200 at 80 >>>>> MHz bandwidth, 4096 QAM is 77.5 dBm (threshold is -52.0 dBm and tx power >>>>> is >>>>> 25.5 dBm). This provides 7.5 dB more fade margin than the AF-11 at 80 MHz >>>>> bandwidth, 1024 QAM (system gain 70.5 dBm, threshold -52.5 dBm and tx >>>>> power >>>>> is 18.0 dBm) >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> On Jan 15, 2020, at 12:58 PM, Mathew Howard >>>>> wrote: >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> Based on the required signal levels listed in Aviat's spec sheets, it >>>>> shouldn't be that hard to achieve 4096QAM. I don't remember what the >>>>> numbers were off hand, but it was well within what I would expect on a >>>>> real >>>>> world link. >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> On Wed, Jan 15, 2020 at 9:59 AM Ken Hohhof wrote: >>>>> >>>>
Re: [AFMUG] Licensed radios
On 1/16/20 13:34, Jason McKemie wrote: Yes, I've heard a lot of not so great things about their older millimeter wave gear, however. I have had a bad experience with two new Flex4G-1 links, the fancy new 10 gigabit ones that came out in 2018. It was so bad I bought a Siklu for one path and stored the Bridgewave. I bitched about it on this list. I wish I'd never bought the Bridgewave because now it's just sitting in storage, but at the time Siklu hadn't started shipping. -- AF mailing list AF@af.afmug.com http://af.afmug.com/mailman/listinfo/af_af.afmug.com
Re: [AFMUG] Licensed radios
Latest info I have lists the system gain for the Bridgewave Navigator balanced version, 80 MHz bw, 4096 QAM at 72.5 dBm compared to the Aviat radio at 77.5 dBm > On Jan 16, 2020, at 2:43 PM, Mathew Howard wrote: > > How does the system gain compare between the Aviat and Bridgewave radios? I > don't see anything listed on the publicly available spec sheet for the > Bridgewave. > > On Wed, Jan 15, 2020 at 1:29 PM Tim Hardy <mailto:thardy...@gmail.com>> wrote: > Just so we’re comparing apples to apples, Aviat’s values are typical. > Guaranteed values over time are 2 dB less power and 2 dB less threshold, or 4 > dB less system gain. > > On Wed, Jan 15, 2020 at 2:05 PM Darin Steffl <mailto:darin.ste...@mnwifi.com>> wrote: > Just to clarify on the aviat advanced replacement, that does not come > standard? I have access to their pricing tool and a 2 year standard warranty > is included but it does not include advanced replacement unless you upgrade > to that option. It's very affordable from what I saw. > > We are likely going to deploy 6 links of the wtm4200 this spring. > > On Wed, Jan 15, 2020, 12:35 PM Mathew Howard <mailto:mhoward...@gmail.com>> wrote: > Yeah, xmt power looks pretty impressive on the Aviat radios. It also looks > like the receive sensitivity is a couple db better than the PTP820C at any > given modulation. > > On Wed, Jan 15, 2020 at 12:24 PM Ken Hohhof <mailto:af...@kwisp.com>> wrote: > 25.5 dBm xmt power at 4096QAM is pretty impressive. I remember several years > ago some talk of chipsets would use some sort of predistortion technique to > cancel out the distortion in the power amp, is that what is going on in these > radios? I don’t remember who the chip vendor was. > > > > From: AF mailto:af-boun...@af.afmug.com>> On Behalf > Of Adair Winter > Sent: Wednesday, January 15, 2020 12:15 PM > To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group <mailto:af@af.afmug.com>> > Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Licensed radios > > > > and we found that the WTM4200 has 5.5db more system gain then the SIAE AP2 at > 4096QAM which had better system gain then some of the other radios on the > market. > > SIAE questions if Aviat is reporting correct numbers but I don't think they > are incorrect either > > Even if Aviat's numbers are a bit exaggerated and there was only a 3db > difference that's still a whole antennas size! > > > > > > > > On Wed, Jan 15, 2020 at 12:12 PM Tim Hardy <mailto:thardy...@gmail.com>> wrote: > > Yes, as I mentioned previously the system gain of the WTM 4200 at 80 MHz > bandwidth, 4096 QAM is 77.5 dBm (threshold is -52.0 dBm and tx power is 25.5 > dBm). This provides 7.5 dB more fade margin than the AF-11 at 80 MHz > bandwidth, 1024 QAM (system gain 70.5 dBm, threshold -52.5 dBm and tx power > is 18.0 dBm) > > > > > > > On Jan 15, 2020, at 12:58 PM, Mathew Howard <mailto:mhoward...@gmail.com>> wrote: > > > > Based on the required signal levels listed in Aviat's spec sheets, it > shouldn't be that hard to achieve 4096QAM. I don't remember what the numbers > were off hand, but it was well within what I would expect on a real world > link. > > > > On Wed, Jan 15, 2020 at 9:59 AM Ken Hohhof <mailto:af...@kwisp.com>> wrote: > > Just to be clear, the links are actually running at 4096QAM? That’s pretty > impressive. > > > > But is it like saying you own a 250 mph car? It may be true, but you also > may not be able to verify it from personal experience. > > > > > > From: AF mailto:af-boun...@af.afmug.com>> On Behalf > Of Adair Winter > Sent: Wednesday, January 15, 2020 9:46 AM > To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group <mailto:af@af.afmug.com>> > Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Licensed radios > > > > Hell ya we do, we have three 4096 QAM links running and about to add one more. > > It's the only way to go > > > > On Wed, Jan 15, 2020 at 9:43 AM Ken Hohhof <mailto:af...@kwisp.com>> wrote: > > You have actual links running 4096QAM IRL? > > > > I thought it was more like being able to land a quadruple axel. Once. In > practice. OK, define “land”. Walk away? Able to skate again once the cast > comes off? > > > > But I have to admit my view of licensed backhaul capacity has evolved as > video streaming has come to dominate the Internet. Once I thought the only > number that mattered was the 5 nines throughput, or worst case 4 nines. But > customers stream 24x7 and will raise a much bigger fuss over most-of-the-time > speed than o
Re: [AFMUG] Licensed radios
For what it's worth, we haven't had any problems with our new-ish Bridgewave millimeter links. I'm wondering if Bridgewave actually makes the Navigator themselves anyway though... these radios appear to be more than a little bit similar... http://www.al-wireless.com/zenith-x On Thu, Jan 16, 2020 at 3:34 PM Jason McKemie < j.mcke...@veloxinetbroadband.com> wrote: > Yes, I've heard a lot of not so great things about their older millimeter > wave gear, however. > > On Thursday, January 16, 2020, Mike Hammett wrote: > >> Bridgewave has been doing radios for a very long time, but yes, this >> model is new. >> >> >> >> - >> Mike Hammett >> Intelligent Computing Solutions <http://www.ics-il.com/> >> <https://www.facebook.com/ICSIL> >> <https://plus.google.com/+IntelligentComputingSolutionsDeKalb> >> <https://www.linkedin.com/company/intelligent-computing-solutions> >> <https://twitter.com/ICSIL> >> Midwest Internet Exchange <http://www.midwest-ix.com/> >> <https://www.facebook.com/mdwestix> >> <https://www.linkedin.com/company/midwest-internet-exchange> >> <https://twitter.com/mdwestix> >> The Brothers WISP <http://www.thebrotherswisp.com/> >> <https://www.facebook.com/thebrotherswisp> >> >> >> <https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCXSdfxQv7SpoRQYNyLwntZg> >> -- >> *From: *"Jon Langeler" >> *To: *"AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group" >> *Sent: *Thursday, January 16, 2020 9:51:22 AM >> *Subject: *Re: [AFMUG] Licensed radios >> >> Are Bridgewave radios flawlessly stable at this point? They’ve only been >> out a few years so I wasn't sure if the software was there. >> >> Jon Langeler >> Michwave Technologies, Inc. >> >> >> On Jan 15, 2020, at 11:25 AM, Jason McKemie < >> j.mcke...@veloxinetbroadband.com> wrote: >> >> I believe the Navigator is around the same price. They both claim to do >> double the throughput with stacked subcarriers / A2C. I do like the single >> unit sparing on the Bridgewave. >> >> On Wednesday, January 15, 2020, Adair Winter >> wrote: >> >>> Aviat WTM4200 dual core with 2' antennas is just over $11k. Does 1.4Gb >>> and has an SFP+ interface. it's my new fave radio >>> >>> On Wed, Jan 15, 2020 at 8:44 AM Erich Kaiser < >>> er...@northcentraltower.com> wrote: >>> >>>> HOw much is a fully loaded Aviat link? >>>> >>>> >>>> Erich Kaiser >>>> North Central Tower >>>> er...@northcentraltower.com >>>> Office: 815-570-3101 >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> On Wed, Jan 15, 2020 at 3:31 AM Gino A. Villarini >>>> wrote: >>>> >>>>> Right… yeah mind f*** the 820c is a dual core radio… the Bridgewave >>>>> and Aviat radios that do this are single core… so less $$ >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> *From: *AF on behalf of Erich Kaiser < >>>>> er...@northcentraltower.com> >>>>> *Reply-To: *AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group >>>>> *Date: *Wednesday, January 15, 2020 at 5:16 AM >>>>> *To: *AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group >>>>> *Subject: *Re: [AFMUG] Licensed radios >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> No you can do ACCP on one unit, you just need a combiner that they >>>>> sell that goes between the dish and radio. Non-Adjacent channels could be >>>>> an option with two radios but probably would do it with two PTP820S and a >>>>> combiner. >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> Erich Kaiser >>>>> >>>>> North Central Tower >>>>> >>>>> er...@northcentraltower.com >>>>> >>>>> Office: 815-570-3101 >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> On Wed, Jan 15, 2020 at 2:39 AM Gino A. Villarini >>>>> wrote: >>>>> >>>>> Don’t you need an extra radio for this on the 820C? >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> *Gino** Villarini * >>>>> Founder/President >>>>> @gvillarini >>>>
Re: [AFMUG] Licensed radios
Yes, I've heard a lot of not so great things about their older millimeter wave gear, however. On Thursday, January 16, 2020, Mike Hammett wrote: > Bridgewave has been doing radios for a very long time, but yes, this model > is new. > > > > - > Mike Hammett > Intelligent Computing Solutions <http://www.ics-il.com/> > <https://www.facebook.com/ICSIL> > <https://plus.google.com/+IntelligentComputingSolutionsDeKalb> > <https://www.linkedin.com/company/intelligent-computing-solutions> > <https://twitter.com/ICSIL> > Midwest Internet Exchange <http://www.midwest-ix.com/> > <https://www.facebook.com/mdwestix> > <https://www.linkedin.com/company/midwest-internet-exchange> > <https://twitter.com/mdwestix> > The Brothers WISP <http://www.thebrotherswisp.com/> > <https://www.facebook.com/thebrotherswisp> > > > <https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCXSdfxQv7SpoRQYNyLwntZg> > -- > *From: *"Jon Langeler" > *To: *"AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group" > *Sent: *Thursday, January 16, 2020 9:51:22 AM > *Subject: *Re: [AFMUG] Licensed radios > > Are Bridgewave radios flawlessly stable at this point? They’ve only been > out a few years so I wasn't sure if the software was there. > > Jon Langeler > Michwave Technologies, Inc. > > > On Jan 15, 2020, at 11:25 AM, Jason McKemie com> wrote: > > I believe the Navigator is around the same price. They both claim to do > double the throughput with stacked subcarriers / A2C. I do like the single > unit sparing on the Bridgewave. > > On Wednesday, January 15, 2020, Adair Winter > wrote: > >> Aviat WTM4200 dual core with 2' antennas is just over $11k. Does 1.4Gb >> and has an SFP+ interface. it's my new fave radio >> >> On Wed, Jan 15, 2020 at 8:44 AM Erich Kaiser >> wrote: >> >>> HOw much is a fully loaded Aviat link? >>> >>> >>> Erich Kaiser >>> North Central Tower >>> er...@northcentraltower.com >>> Office: 815-570-3101 >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> On Wed, Jan 15, 2020 at 3:31 AM Gino A. Villarini >>> wrote: >>> >>>> Right… yeah mind f*** the 820c is a dual core radio… the Bridgewave and >>>> Aviat radios that do this are single core… so less $$ >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> *From: *AF on behalf of Erich Kaiser < >>>> er...@northcentraltower.com> >>>> *Reply-To: *AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group >>>> *Date: *Wednesday, January 15, 2020 at 5:16 AM >>>> *To: *AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group >>>> *Subject: *Re: [AFMUG] Licensed radios >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> No you can do ACCP on one unit, you just need a combiner that they sell >>>> that goes between the dish and radio. Non-Adjacent channels could be an >>>> option with two radios but probably would do it with two PTP820S and a >>>> combiner. >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> Erich Kaiser >>>> >>>> North Central Tower >>>> >>>> er...@northcentraltower.com >>>> >>>> Office: 815-570-3101 >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> On Wed, Jan 15, 2020 at 2:39 AM Gino A. Villarini >>>> wrote: >>>> >>>> Don’t you need an extra radio for this on the 820C? >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> *Gino** Villarini * >>>> Founder/President >>>> @gvillarini >>>> t: 787.273.4143 Ext. 204 >>>> m: >>>> >>>> [image: Image removed by sender. aeronet-logo] >>>> <http://www.aeronetpr.com/> >>>> >>>> [image: Image removed by sender. inc500] >>>> <https://www.inc.com/profile/aeronet> >>>> >>>> [image: Image removed by sender. fb-logo] >>>> <https://www.facebook.com/aeronetpr/> >>>> >>>> [image: Image removed by sender. insta-logo] >>>> <https://www.instagram.com/aeronetpr/?hl=en> >>>> >>>> [image: Image removed by sender. in-logo] >>>> <https://www.linkedin.com/company/aeronet-broadband-corp> >>>> >>>> [image: Image removed by sender. tw-logo] >>>> <https://twitter.com/AeroNetPR?ref_src=twsrc%5Egoogle%7Ctwcamp%5Eserp%7
Re: [AFMUG] Licensed radios
Bridgewave has been doing radios for a very long time, but yes, this model is new. - Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions Midwest Internet Exchange The Brothers WISP - Original Message - From: "Jon Langeler" To: "AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group" Sent: Thursday, January 16, 2020 9:51:22 AM Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Licensed radios Are Bridgewave radios flawlessly stable at this point? They’ve only been out a few years so I wasn't sure if the software was there. Jon Langeler Michwave Technologies, Inc. On Jan 15, 2020, at 11:25 AM, Jason McKemie wrote: I believe the Navigator is around the same price. They both claim to do double the throughput with stacked subcarriers / A2C. I do like the single unit sparing on the Bridgewave. On Wednesday, January 15, 2020, Adair Winter < ada...@amarillowireless.net > wrote: Aviat WTM4200 dual core with 2' antennas is just over $11k. Does 1.4Gb and has an SFP+ interface. it's my new fave radio On Wed, Jan 15, 2020 at 8:44 AM Erich Kaiser < er...@northcentraltower.com > wrote: HOw much is a fully loaded Aviat link? Erich Kaiser North Central Tower er...@northcentraltower.com Office: 815-570-3101 On Wed, Jan 15, 2020 at 3:31 AM Gino A. Villarini < g...@aeronetpr.com > wrote: Right… yeah mind f*** the 820c is a dual core radio… the Bridgewave and Aviat radios that do this are single core… so less $$$ From: AF < af-boun...@af.afmug.com > on behalf of Erich Kaiser < er...@northcentraltower.com > Reply-To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group < af@af.afmug.com > Date: Wednesday, January 15, 2020 at 5:16 AM To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group < af@af.afmug.com > Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Licensed radios No you can do ACCP on one unit, you just need a combiner that they sell that goes between the dish and radio. Non-Adjacent channels could be an option with two radios but probably would do it with two PTP820S and a combiner. Erich Kaiser North Central Tower er...@northcentraltower.com Office: 815-570-3101 On Wed, Jan 15, 2020 at 2:39 AM Gino A. Villarini < g...@aeronetpr.com > wrote: Don’t you need an extra radio for this on the 820C? Gino Villarini Founder/President @gvillarini t: 787.273.4143 Ext. 204 m: Image removed by sender. aeronet-logo Image removed by sender. inc500 Image removed by sender. fb-logo Image removed by sender. insta-logo Image removed by sender. in-logo Image removed by sender. tw-logo Image removed by sender. yt-logo www.aeronetpr.com | Metro Office Park #18 Suite 304 Guaynabo, PR 00968 From: AF < af-boun...@af.afmug.com > on behalf of Erich Kaiser < er...@northcentraltower.com > Reply-To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group < af@af.afmug.com > Date: Wednesday, January 15, 2020 at 2:49 AM To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group < af@af.afmug.com > Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Licensed radios PTP820C does this its called ACCP. Erich Kaiser North Central Tower er...@northcentraltower.com Office: 815-570-3101 On Tue, Jan 14, 2020 at 4:17 PM SmarterBroadband < li...@sbb.net > wrote: Hi The BridgeWave Navigator states it can have more than 2x80 channels on one dual core radio, however the extra channels have to be adjacent. Do any other vendors do this in 11 and 18GHz Today (no vaporware). And do any have non-adjacent channels? Thanks Adam -- AF mailing list AF@af.afmug.com http://af.afmug.com/mailman/listinfo/af_af.afmug.com -- AF mailing list AF@af.afmug.com http://af.afmug.com/mailman/listinfo/af_af.afmug.com -- AF mailing list AF@af.afmug.com http://af.afmug.com/mailman/listinfo/af_af.afmug.com -- AF mailing list AF@af.afmug.com http://af.afmug.com/mailman/listinfo/af_af.afmug.com -- Adair Winter VP, Network Operations / Co-Owner Amarillo Wireless | 806.316.5071 C: 806.231.7180 http://www.amarillowireless.net -- AF mailing list AF@af.afmug.com http://af.afmug.com/mailman/listinfo/af_af.afmug.com -- AF mailing list AF@af.afmug.com http://af.afmug.com/mailman/listinfo/af_af.afmug.com -- AF mailing list AF@af.afmug.com http://af.afmug.com/mailman/listinfo/af_af.afmug.com
Re: [AFMUG] Licensed radios
How does the system gain compare between the Aviat and Bridgewave radios? I don't see anything listed on the publicly available spec sheet for the Bridgewave. On Wed, Jan 15, 2020 at 1:29 PM Tim Hardy wrote: > Just so we’re comparing apples to apples, Aviat’s values are typical. > Guaranteed values over time are 2 dB less power and 2 dB less threshold, or > 4 dB less system gain. > > On Wed, Jan 15, 2020 at 2:05 PM Darin Steffl > wrote: > >> Just to clarify on the aviat advanced replacement, that does not come >> standard? I have access to their pricing tool and a 2 year standard >> warranty is included but it does not include advanced replacement unless >> you upgrade to that option. It's very affordable from what I saw. >> >> We are likely going to deploy 6 links of the wtm4200 this spring. >> >> On Wed, Jan 15, 2020, 12:35 PM Mathew Howard >> wrote: >> >>> Yeah, xmt power looks pretty impressive on the Aviat radios. It also >>> looks like the receive sensitivity is a couple db better than the PTP820C >>> at any given modulation. >>> >>> On Wed, Jan 15, 2020 at 12:24 PM Ken Hohhof wrote: >>> >>>> 25.5 dBm xmt power at 4096QAM is pretty impressive. I remember several >>>> years ago some talk of chipsets would use some sort of predistortion >>>> technique to cancel out the distortion in the power amp, is that what is >>>> going on in these radios? I don’t remember who the chip vendor was. >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> *From:* AF *On Behalf Of *Adair Winter >>>> *Sent:* Wednesday, January 15, 2020 12:15 PM >>>> *To:* AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group >>>> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Licensed radios >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> and we found that the WTM4200 has 5.5db more system gain then the SIAE >>>> AP2 at 4096QAM which had better system gain then some of the other radios >>>> on the market. >>>> >>>> SIAE questions if Aviat is reporting correct numbers but I don't think >>>> they are incorrect either >>>> >>>> Even if Aviat's numbers are a bit exaggerated and there was only a 3db >>>> difference that's still a whole antennas size! >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> On Wed, Jan 15, 2020 at 12:12 PM Tim Hardy wrote: >>>> >>>> Yes, as I mentioned previously the system gain of the WTM 4200 at 80 >>>> MHz bandwidth, 4096 QAM is 77.5 dBm (threshold is -52.0 dBm and tx power is >>>> 25.5 dBm). This provides 7.5 dB more fade margin than the AF-11 at 80 MHz >>>> bandwidth, 1024 QAM (system gain 70.5 dBm, threshold -52.5 dBm and tx power >>>> is 18.0 dBm) >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> On Jan 15, 2020, at 12:58 PM, Mathew Howard >>>> wrote: >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> Based on the required signal levels listed in Aviat's spec sheets, it >>>> shouldn't be that hard to achieve 4096QAM. I don't remember what the >>>> numbers were off hand, but it was well within what I would expect on a real >>>> world link. >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> On Wed, Jan 15, 2020 at 9:59 AM Ken Hohhof wrote: >>>> >>>> Just to be clear, the links are actually running at 4096QAM? That’s >>>> pretty impressive. >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> But is it like saying you own a 250 mph car? It may be true, but you >>>> also may not be able to verify it from personal experience. >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> *From:* AF *On Behalf Of *Adair Winter >>>> *Sent:* Wednesday, January 15, 2020 9:46 AM >>>> *To:* AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group >>>> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Licensed radios >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> Hell ya we do, we have three 4096 QAM links running and about to add >>>> one more. >>>> >>>> It's the only way to go >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> On Wed, Jan 15, 2020 at 9:43 AM Ken Hohhof wrote: >>>> >>>> You have actual links running 4096QAM IRL? >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> I thought it was more like being able to land a quadruple axel. Once. >>>> In practice. OK, define “land”.
Re: [AFMUG] Licensed radios
The people I have spoken with said that after the most recent software update they haven't had any issues. Harris/Stratex/Aviat obviously has a longer/better track record. On Thursday, January 16, 2020, Jon Langeler wrote: > Are Bridgewave radios flawlessly stable at this point? They’ve only been > out a few years so I wasn't sure if the software was there. > > Jon Langeler > Michwave Technologies, Inc. > > > On Jan 15, 2020, at 11:25 AM, Jason McKemie com> wrote: > > I believe the Navigator is around the same price. They both claim to do > double the throughput with stacked subcarriers / A2C. I do like the single > unit sparing on the Bridgewave. > > On Wednesday, January 15, 2020, Adair Winter > wrote: > >> Aviat WTM4200 dual core with 2' antennas is just over $11k. Does 1.4Gb >> and has an SFP+ interface. it's my new fave radio >> >> On Wed, Jan 15, 2020 at 8:44 AM Erich Kaiser >> wrote: >> >>> HOw much is a fully loaded Aviat link? >>> >>> >>> Erich Kaiser >>> North Central Tower >>> er...@northcentraltower.com >>> Office: 815-570-3101 >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> On Wed, Jan 15, 2020 at 3:31 AM Gino A. Villarini >>> wrote: >>> >>>> Right… yeah mind f*** the 820c is a dual core radio… the Bridgewave and >>>> Aviat radios that do this are single core… so less $$$ >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> *From: *AF on behalf of Erich Kaiser < >>>> er...@northcentraltower.com> >>>> *Reply-To: *AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group >>>> *Date: *Wednesday, January 15, 2020 at 5:16 AM >>>> *To: *AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group >>>> *Subject: *Re: [AFMUG] Licensed radios >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> No you can do ACCP on one unit, you just need a combiner that they sell >>>> that goes between the dish and radio. Non-Adjacent channels could be an >>>> option with two radios but probably would do it with two PTP820S and a >>>> combiner. >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> Erich Kaiser >>>> >>>> North Central Tower >>>> >>>> er...@northcentraltower.com >>>> >>>> Office: 815-570-3101 >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> On Wed, Jan 15, 2020 at 2:39 AM Gino A. Villarini >>>> wrote: >>>> >>>> Don’t you need an extra radio for this on the 820C? >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> *Gino** Villarini * >>>> Founder/President >>>> @gvillarini >>>> t: 787.273.4143 Ext. 204 >>>> m: >>>> >>>> [image: Image removed by sender. aeronet-logo] >>>> <http://www.aeronetpr.com/> >>>> >>>> [image: Image removed by sender. inc500] >>>> <https://www.inc.com/profile/aeronet> >>>> >>>> [image: Image removed by sender. fb-logo] >>>> <https://www.facebook.com/aeronetpr/> >>>> >>>> [image: Image removed by sender. insta-logo] >>>> <https://www.instagram.com/aeronetpr/?hl=en> >>>> >>>> [image: Image removed by sender. in-logo] >>>> <https://www.linkedin.com/company/aeronet-broadband-corp> >>>> >>>> [image: Image removed by sender. tw-logo] >>>> <https://twitter.com/AeroNetPR?ref_src=twsrc%5Egoogle%7Ctwcamp%5Eserp%7Ctwgr%5Eauthor> >>>> >>>> >>>> [image: Image removed by sender. yt-logo] >>>> <https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCr2Q9WBrAYVm3Fn970Jd6VA> >>>> >>>> www.aeronetpr.com | Metro Office Park #18 Suite 304 Guaynabo, PR 00968 >>>> >>>> *From: *AF on behalf of Erich Kaiser < >>>> er...@northcentraltower.com> >>>> *Reply-To: *AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group >>>> *Date: *Wednesday, January 15, 2020 at 2:49 AM >>>> *To: *AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group >>>> *Subject: *Re: [AFMUG] Licensed radios >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> PTP820C does this its called ACCP. >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> Erich Kaiser >>>> >>>> North Central Tower >>>> >>>> er...@northcentraltower.com >>>> >>>> Office: 815-570-3101 >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> On Tue, Jan 14, 2020 at 4:17 PM SmarterBroadband wrote: >>>> >>>> Hi >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> The BridgeWave Navigator states it can have more than 2x80 channels on >>>> one dual core radio, however the extra channels have to be adjacent. >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> Do any other vendors do this in 11 and 18GHz Today (no vaporware). >>>> And do any have non-adjacent channels? >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> Thanks >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> Adam >>>> >>>> -- >>>> AF mailing list >>>> AF@af.afmug.com >>>> http://af.afmug.com/mailman/listinfo/af_af.afmug.com >>>> >>>> -- >>>> AF mailing list >>>> AF@af.afmug.com >>>> http://af.afmug.com/mailman/listinfo/af_af.afmug.com >>>> >>>> -- >>>> AF mailing list >>>> AF@af.afmug.com >>>> http://af.afmug.com/mailman/listinfo/af_af.afmug.com >>>> >>> -- >>> AF mailing list >>> AF@af.afmug.com >>> http://af.afmug.com/mailman/listinfo/af_af.afmug.com >>> >> >> >> -- >> >> Adair Winter >> VP, Network Operations / Co-Owner >> Amarillo Wireless | 806.316.5071 >> C: 806.231.7180 >> http://www.amarillowireless.net >> <http://www.amarillowireless.net> >> >> >> -- > AF mailing list > AF@af.afmug.com > http://af.afmug.com/mailman/listinfo/af_af.afmug.com > > -- AF mailing list AF@af.afmug.com http://af.afmug.com/mailman/listinfo/af_af.afmug.com
Re: [AFMUG] Licensed radios
Are Bridgewave radios flawlessly stable at this point? They’ve only been out a few years so I wasn't sure if the software was there. Jon Langeler Michwave Technologies, Inc. > On Jan 15, 2020, at 11:25 AM, Jason McKemie > wrote: > > I believe the Navigator is around the same price. They both claim to do > double the throughput with stacked subcarriers / A2C. I do like the single > unit sparing on the Bridgewave. > >> On Wednesday, January 15, 2020, Adair Winter >> wrote: >> Aviat WTM4200 dual core with 2' antennas is just over $11k. Does 1.4Gb and >> has an SFP+ interface. it's my new fave radio >> >>> On Wed, Jan 15, 2020 at 8:44 AM Erich Kaiser >>> wrote: >>> HOw much is a fully loaded Aviat link? >>> >>> >>> Erich Kaiser >>> North Central Tower >>> er...@northcentraltower.com >>> Office: 815-570-3101 >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>>> On Wed, Jan 15, 2020 at 3:31 AM Gino A. Villarini >>>> wrote: >>>> Right… yeah mind f*** the 820c is a dual core radio… the Bridgewave and >>>> Aviat radios that do this are single core… so less $$$ >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> From: AF on behalf of Erich Kaiser >>>> >>>> Reply-To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group >>>> Date: Wednesday, January 15, 2020 at 5:16 AM >>>> To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group >>>> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Licensed radios >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> No you can do ACCP on one unit, you just need a combiner that they sell >>>> that goes between the dish and radio. Non-Adjacent channels could be an >>>> option with two radios but probably would do it with two PTP820S and a >>>> combiner. >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> Erich Kaiser >>>> >>>> North Central Tower >>>> >>>> er...@northcentraltower.com >>>> >>>> Office: 815-570-3101 >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> On Wed, Jan 15, 2020 at 2:39 AM Gino A. Villarini >>>> wrote: >>>> >>>> Don’t you need an extra radio for this on the 820C? >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> Gino Villarini >>>> Founder/President >>>> @gvillarini >>>> t: 787.273.4143 Ext. 204 >>>> m: >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> www.aeronetpr.com | Metro Office Park #18 Suite 304 Guaynabo, PR 00968 >>>> >>>> From: AF on behalf of Erich Kaiser >>>> >>>> Reply-To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group >>>> Date: Wednesday, January 15, 2020 at 2:49 AM >>>> To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group >>>> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Licensed radios >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> PTP820C does this its called ACCP. >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> Erich Kaiser >>>> >>>> North Central Tower >>>> >>>> er...@northcentraltower.com >>>> >>>> Office: 815-570-3101 >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> On Tue, Jan 14, 2020 at 4:17 PM SmarterBroadband wrote: >>>> >>>> Hi >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> The BridgeWave Navigator states it can have more than 2x80 channels on one >>>> dual core radio, however the extra channels have to be adjacent. >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> Do any other vendors do this in 11 and 18GHz Today (no vaporware).And >>>> do any have non-adjacent channels? >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> Thanks >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> Adam >>>> >>>> -- >>>> AF mailing list >>>> AF@af.afmug.com >>>> http://af.afmug.com/mailman/listinfo/af_af.afmug.com >>>> >>>> -- >>>> AF mailing list >>>> AF@af.afmug.com >>>> http://af.afmug.com/mailman/listinfo/af_af.afmug.com >>>> >>>> -- >>>> AF mailing list >>>> AF@af.afmug.com >>>> http://af.afmug.com/mailman/listinfo/af_af.afmug.com >>> -- >>> AF mailing list >>> AF@af.afmug.com >>> http://af.afmug.com/mailman/listinfo/af_af.afmug.com >> >> >> -- >> Adair Winter >> VP, Network Operations / Co-Owner >> Amarillo Wireless | 806.316.5071 >> C: 806.231.7180 >> http://www.amarillowireless.net >> >> >> >> > -- > AF mailing list > AF@af.afmug.com > http://af.afmug.com/mailman/listinfo/af_af.afmug.com -- AF mailing list AF@af.afmug.com http://af.afmug.com/mailman/listinfo/af_af.afmug.com
Re: [AFMUG] Licensed radios
Just so we’re comparing apples to apples, Aviat’s values are typical. Guaranteed values over time are 2 dB less power and 2 dB less threshold, or 4 dB less system gain. On Wed, Jan 15, 2020 at 2:05 PM Darin Steffl wrote: > Just to clarify on the aviat advanced replacement, that does not come > standard? I have access to their pricing tool and a 2 year standard > warranty is included but it does not include advanced replacement unless > you upgrade to that option. It's very affordable from what I saw. > > We are likely going to deploy 6 links of the wtm4200 this spring. > > On Wed, Jan 15, 2020, 12:35 PM Mathew Howard wrote: > >> Yeah, xmt power looks pretty impressive on the Aviat radios. It also >> looks like the receive sensitivity is a couple db better than the PTP820C >> at any given modulation. >> >> On Wed, Jan 15, 2020 at 12:24 PM Ken Hohhof wrote: >> >>> 25.5 dBm xmt power at 4096QAM is pretty impressive. I remember several >>> years ago some talk of chipsets would use some sort of predistortion >>> technique to cancel out the distortion in the power amp, is that what is >>> going on in these radios? I don’t remember who the chip vendor was. >>> >>> >>> >>> *From:* AF *On Behalf Of *Adair Winter >>> *Sent:* Wednesday, January 15, 2020 12:15 PM >>> *To:* AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group >>> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Licensed radios >>> >>> >>> >>> and we found that the WTM4200 has 5.5db more system gain then the SIAE >>> AP2 at 4096QAM which had better system gain then some of the other radios >>> on the market. >>> >>> SIAE questions if Aviat is reporting correct numbers but I don't think >>> they are incorrect either >>> >>> Even if Aviat's numbers are a bit exaggerated and there was only a 3db >>> difference that's still a whole antennas size! >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> On Wed, Jan 15, 2020 at 12:12 PM Tim Hardy wrote: >>> >>> Yes, as I mentioned previously the system gain of the WTM 4200 at 80 MHz >>> bandwidth, 4096 QAM is 77.5 dBm (threshold is -52.0 dBm and tx power is >>> 25.5 dBm). This provides 7.5 dB more fade margin than the AF-11 at 80 MHz >>> bandwidth, 1024 QAM (system gain 70.5 dBm, threshold -52.5 dBm and tx power >>> is 18.0 dBm) >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> On Jan 15, 2020, at 12:58 PM, Mathew Howard >>> wrote: >>> >>> >>> >>> Based on the required signal levels listed in Aviat's spec sheets, it >>> shouldn't be that hard to achieve 4096QAM. I don't remember what the >>> numbers were off hand, but it was well within what I would expect on a real >>> world link. >>> >>> >>> >>> On Wed, Jan 15, 2020 at 9:59 AM Ken Hohhof wrote: >>> >>> Just to be clear, the links are actually running at 4096QAM? That’s >>> pretty impressive. >>> >>> >>> >>> But is it like saying you own a 250 mph car? It may be true, but you >>> also may not be able to verify it from personal experience. >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> *From:* AF *On Behalf Of *Adair Winter >>> *Sent:* Wednesday, January 15, 2020 9:46 AM >>> *To:* AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group >>> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Licensed radios >>> >>> >>> >>> Hell ya we do, we have three 4096 QAM links running and about to add one >>> more. >>> >>> It's the only way to go >>> >>> >>> >>> On Wed, Jan 15, 2020 at 9:43 AM Ken Hohhof wrote: >>> >>> You have actual links running 4096QAM IRL? >>> >>> >>> >>> I thought it was more like being able to land a quadruple axel. Once. >>> In practice. OK, define “land”. Walk away? Able to skate again once the >>> cast comes off? >>> >>> >>> >>> But I have to admit my view of licensed backhaul capacity has evolved as >>> video streaming has come to dominate the Internet. Once I thought the only >>> number that mattered was the 5 nines throughput, or worst case 4 nines. >>> But customers stream 24x7 and will raise a much bigger fuss over >>> most-of-the-time speed than over the occasional drop in capacity or even >>> outage. >>> >>> >>> >>> Still, even on 2048QAM radios, actually getting 2048QAM seems like >>> hi
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Just to clarify on the aviat advanced replacement, that does not come standard? I have access to their pricing tool and a 2 year standard warranty is included but it does not include advanced replacement unless you upgrade to that option. It's very affordable from what I saw. We are likely going to deploy 6 links of the wtm4200 this spring. On Wed, Jan 15, 2020, 12:35 PM Mathew Howard wrote: > Yeah, xmt power looks pretty impressive on the Aviat radios. It also looks > like the receive sensitivity is a couple db better than the PTP820C at any > given modulation. > > On Wed, Jan 15, 2020 at 12:24 PM Ken Hohhof wrote: > >> 25.5 dBm xmt power at 4096QAM is pretty impressive. I remember several >> years ago some talk of chipsets would use some sort of predistortion >> technique to cancel out the distortion in the power amp, is that what is >> going on in these radios? I don’t remember who the chip vendor was. >> >> >> >> *From:* AF *On Behalf Of *Adair Winter >> *Sent:* Wednesday, January 15, 2020 12:15 PM >> *To:* AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group >> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Licensed radios >> >> >> >> and we found that the WTM4200 has 5.5db more system gain then the SIAE >> AP2 at 4096QAM which had better system gain then some of the other radios >> on the market. >> >> SIAE questions if Aviat is reporting correct numbers but I don't think >> they are incorrect either >> >> Even if Aviat's numbers are a bit exaggerated and there was only a 3db >> difference that's still a whole antennas size! >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> On Wed, Jan 15, 2020 at 12:12 PM Tim Hardy wrote: >> >> Yes, as I mentioned previously the system gain of the WTM 4200 at 80 MHz >> bandwidth, 4096 QAM is 77.5 dBm (threshold is -52.0 dBm and tx power is >> 25.5 dBm). This provides 7.5 dB more fade margin than the AF-11 at 80 MHz >> bandwidth, 1024 QAM (system gain 70.5 dBm, threshold -52.5 dBm and tx power >> is 18.0 dBm) >> >> >> >> >> >> On Jan 15, 2020, at 12:58 PM, Mathew Howard wrote: >> >> >> >> Based on the required signal levels listed in Aviat's spec sheets, it >> shouldn't be that hard to achieve 4096QAM. I don't remember what the >> numbers were off hand, but it was well within what I would expect on a real >> world link. >> >> >> >> On Wed, Jan 15, 2020 at 9:59 AM Ken Hohhof wrote: >> >> Just to be clear, the links are actually running at 4096QAM? That’s >> pretty impressive. >> >> >> >> But is it like saying you own a 250 mph car? It may be true, but you >> also may not be able to verify it from personal experience. >> >> >> >> >> >> *From:* AF *On Behalf Of *Adair Winter >> *Sent:* Wednesday, January 15, 2020 9:46 AM >> *To:* AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group >> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Licensed radios >> >> >> >> Hell ya we do, we have three 4096 QAM links running and about to add one >> more. >> >> It's the only way to go >> >> >> >> On Wed, Jan 15, 2020 at 9:43 AM Ken Hohhof wrote: >> >> You have actual links running 4096QAM IRL? >> >> >> >> I thought it was more like being able to land a quadruple axel. Once. >> In practice. OK, define “land”. Walk away? Able to skate again once the >> cast comes off? >> >> >> >> But I have to admit my view of licensed backhaul capacity has evolved as >> video streaming has come to dominate the Internet. Once I thought the only >> number that mattered was the 5 nines throughput, or worst case 4 nines. >> But customers stream 24x7 and will raise a much bigger fuss over >> most-of-the-time speed than over the occasional drop in capacity or even >> outage. >> >> >> >> Still, even on 2048QAM radios, actually getting 2048QAM seems like >> hitting all green lights on the way to work. It’s nice, but you don’t bet >> your life on it, or cry when you see the modulation drop to 1024QAM for no >> apparent reason. Or 256 or 512 during heavy rain. Maybe if you have all >> really short links. We are rural and don’t have that luxury. Most of our >> links are 6-10 miles. And given that our climate future seems to look like >> Waterworld, rain cannot be ignored. >> >> >> >> >> >> *From:* AF *On Behalf Of *Andreas Wiatowski >> *Sent:* Wednesday, January 15, 2020 8:05 AM >> *To:* AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group >> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Licensed radios >> >>
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Yeah, xmt power looks pretty impressive on the Aviat radios. It also looks like the receive sensitivity is a couple db better than the PTP820C at any given modulation. On Wed, Jan 15, 2020 at 12:24 PM Ken Hohhof wrote: > 25.5 dBm xmt power at 4096QAM is pretty impressive. I remember several > years ago some talk of chipsets would use some sort of predistortion > technique to cancel out the distortion in the power amp, is that what is > going on in these radios? I don’t remember who the chip vendor was. > > > > *From:* AF *On Behalf Of *Adair Winter > *Sent:* Wednesday, January 15, 2020 12:15 PM > *To:* AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group > *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Licensed radios > > > > and we found that the WTM4200 has 5.5db more system gain then the SIAE AP2 > at 4096QAM which had better system gain then some of the other radios on > the market. > > SIAE questions if Aviat is reporting correct numbers but I don't think > they are incorrect either > > Even if Aviat's numbers are a bit exaggerated and there was only a 3db > difference that's still a whole antennas size! > > > > > > > > On Wed, Jan 15, 2020 at 12:12 PM Tim Hardy wrote: > > Yes, as I mentioned previously the system gain of the WTM 4200 at 80 MHz > bandwidth, 4096 QAM is 77.5 dBm (threshold is -52.0 dBm and tx power is > 25.5 dBm). This provides 7.5 dB more fade margin than the AF-11 at 80 MHz > bandwidth, 1024 QAM (system gain 70.5 dBm, threshold -52.5 dBm and tx power > is 18.0 dBm) > > > > > > On Jan 15, 2020, at 12:58 PM, Mathew Howard wrote: > > > > Based on the required signal levels listed in Aviat's spec sheets, it > shouldn't be that hard to achieve 4096QAM. I don't remember what the > numbers were off hand, but it was well within what I would expect on a real > world link. > > > > On Wed, Jan 15, 2020 at 9:59 AM Ken Hohhof wrote: > > Just to be clear, the links are actually running at 4096QAM? That’s > pretty impressive. > > > > But is it like saying you own a 250 mph car? It may be true, but you also > may not be able to verify it from personal experience. > > > > > > *From:* AF *On Behalf Of *Adair Winter > *Sent:* Wednesday, January 15, 2020 9:46 AM > *To:* AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group > *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Licensed radios > > > > Hell ya we do, we have three 4096 QAM links running and about to add one > more. > > It's the only way to go > > > > On Wed, Jan 15, 2020 at 9:43 AM Ken Hohhof wrote: > > You have actual links running 4096QAM IRL? > > > > I thought it was more like being able to land a quadruple axel. Once. In > practice. OK, define “land”. Walk away? Able to skate again once the > cast comes off? > > > > But I have to admit my view of licensed backhaul capacity has evolved as > video streaming has come to dominate the Internet. Once I thought the only > number that mattered was the 5 nines throughput, or worst case 4 nines. > But customers stream 24x7 and will raise a much bigger fuss over > most-of-the-time speed than over the occasional drop in capacity or even > outage. > > > > Still, even on 2048QAM radios, actually getting 2048QAM seems like hitting > all green lights on the way to work. It’s nice, but you don’t bet your > life on it, or cry when you see the modulation drop to 1024QAM for no > apparent reason. Or 256 or 512 during heavy rain. Maybe if you have all > really short links. We are rural and don’t have that luxury. Most of our > links are 6-10 miles. And given that our climate future seems to look like > Waterworld, rain cannot be ignored. > > > > > > *From:* AF *On Behalf Of *Andreas Wiatowski > *Sent:* Wednesday, January 15, 2020 8:05 AM > *To:* AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group > *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Licensed radios > > > > I find the Aviat radios easier to configure…but the Cambium/Ceragon is > more of a mature platform. Aviat however does 4096QAM. > > > > > > *Internet.*** > ** > *Phone.****TV.* > > *Andreas Wiatowski* > > CEO/Founder > > Silo > > *1-866-727-4138, ext 600* <1-866-727-4138,%20ext%20600> > > | > > *andr...@silo.ca* > > *silo.ca* <http://www.silo.ca/> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > *From: *AF on behalf of Gino Villarini < > g...@aeronetpr.com> > *Reply-To: *AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group > *Date: *Wednesday, January 15, 2020 at 4:31 AM > *To: *AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group > *Subject: *Re: [AFMUG] Licensed radios > > > > [EXTERNAL] > > Right… yeah mind f*** the 820c is a dual core radio… the Bridgewave and &
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25.5 dBm xmt power at 4096QAM is pretty impressive. I remember several years ago some talk of chipsets would use some sort of predistortion technique to cancel out the distortion in the power amp, is that what is going on in these radios? I don’t remember who the chip vendor was. From: AF On Behalf Of Adair Winter Sent: Wednesday, January 15, 2020 12:15 PM To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Licensed radios and we found that the WTM4200 has 5.5db more system gain then the SIAE AP2 at 4096QAM which had better system gain then some of the other radios on the market. SIAE questions if Aviat is reporting correct numbers but I don't think they are incorrect either Even if Aviat's numbers are a bit exaggerated and there was only a 3db difference that's still a whole antennas size! On Wed, Jan 15, 2020 at 12:12 PM Tim Hardy mailto:thardy...@gmail.com> > wrote: Yes, as I mentioned previously the system gain of the WTM 4200 at 80 MHz bandwidth, 4096 QAM is 77.5 dBm (threshold is -52.0 dBm and tx power is 25.5 dBm). This provides 7.5 dB more fade margin than the AF-11 at 80 MHz bandwidth, 1024 QAM (system gain 70.5 dBm, threshold -52.5 dBm and tx power is 18.0 dBm) On Jan 15, 2020, at 12:58 PM, Mathew Howard mailto:mhoward...@gmail.com> > wrote: Based on the required signal levels listed in Aviat's spec sheets, it shouldn't be that hard to achieve 4096QAM. I don't remember what the numbers were off hand, but it was well within what I would expect on a real world link. On Wed, Jan 15, 2020 at 9:59 AM Ken Hohhof mailto:af...@kwisp.com> > wrote: Just to be clear, the links are actually running at 4096QAM? That’s pretty impressive. But is it like saying you own a 250 mph car? It may be true, but you also may not be able to verify it from personal experience. From: AF mailto:af-boun...@af.afmug.com> > On Behalf Of Adair Winter Sent: Wednesday, January 15, 2020 9:46 AM To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group mailto:af@af.afmug.com> > Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Licensed radios Hell ya we do, we have three 4096 QAM links running and about to add one more. It's the only way to go On Wed, Jan 15, 2020 at 9:43 AM Ken Hohhof mailto:af...@kwisp.com> > wrote: You have actual links running 4096QAM IRL? I thought it was more like being able to land a quadruple axel. Once. In practice. OK, define “land”. Walk away? Able to skate again once the cast comes off? But I have to admit my view of licensed backhaul capacity has evolved as video streaming has come to dominate the Internet. Once I thought the only number that mattered was the 5 nines throughput, or worst case 4 nines. But customers stream 24x7 and will raise a much bigger fuss over most-of-the-time speed than over the occasional drop in capacity or even outage. Still, even on 2048QAM radios, actually getting 2048QAM seems like hitting all green lights on the way to work. It’s nice, but you don’t bet your life on it, or cry when you see the modulation drop to 1024QAM for no apparent reason. Or 256 or 512 during heavy rain. Maybe if you have all really short links. We are rural and don’t have that luxury. Most of our links are 6-10 miles. And given that our climate future seems to look like Waterworld, rain cannot be ignored. From: AF mailto:af-boun...@af.afmug.com> > On Behalf Of Andreas Wiatowski Sent: Wednesday, January 15, 2020 8:05 AM To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group mailto:af@af.afmug.com> > Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Licensed radios I find the Aviat radios easier to configure…but the Cambium/Ceragon is more of a mature platform. Aviat however does 4096QAM. Internet. Phone. TV. Andreas Wiatowski CEO/Founder Silo 1-866-727-4138, ext 600 | <mailto:andr...@silo.ca> andr...@silo.ca <http://www.silo.ca/> silo.ca From: AF mailto:af-boun...@af.afmug.com> > on behalf of Gino Villarini mailto:g...@aeronetpr.com> > Reply-To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group mailto:af@af.afmug.com> > Date: Wednesday, January 15, 2020 at 4:31 AM To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group mailto:af@af.afmug.com> > Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Licensed radios [EXTERNAL] Right… yeah mind f*** the 820c is a dual core radio… the Bridgewave and Aviat radios that do this are single core… so less $$$ From: AF mailto:af-boun...@af.afmug.com> > on behalf of Erich Kaiser mailto:er...@northcentraltower.com> > Reply-To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group mailto:af@af.afmug.com> > Date: Wednesday, January 15, 2020 at 5:16 AM To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group mailto:af@af.afmug.com> > Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Licensed radios No you can do ACCP on one unit, you just need a combiner that they sell that goes between the dish and radio. Non-Adjacent channels could be an option with two ra
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and we found that the WTM4200 has 5.5db more system gain then the SIAE AP2 at 4096QAM which had better system gain then some of the other radios on the market. SIAE questions if Aviat is reporting correct numbers but I don't think they are incorrect either Even if Aviat's numbers are a bit exaggerated and there was only a 3db difference that's still a whole antennas size! On Wed, Jan 15, 2020 at 12:12 PM Tim Hardy wrote: > Yes, as I mentioned previously the system gain of the WTM 4200 at 80 MHz > bandwidth, 4096 QAM is 77.5 dBm (threshold is -52.0 dBm and tx power is > 25.5 dBm). This provides 7.5 dB more fade margin than the AF-11 at 80 MHz > bandwidth, 1024 QAM (system gain 70.5 dBm, threshold -52.5 dBm and tx power > is 18.0 dBm) > > > On Jan 15, 2020, at 12:58 PM, Mathew Howard wrote: > > Based on the required signal levels listed in Aviat's spec sheets, it > shouldn't be that hard to achieve 4096QAM. I don't remember what the > numbers were off hand, but it was well within what I would expect on a real > world link. > > On Wed, Jan 15, 2020 at 9:59 AM Ken Hohhof wrote: > >> Just to be clear, the links are actually running at 4096QAM? That’s >> pretty impressive. >> >> >> >> But is it like saying you own a 250 mph car? It may be true, but you >> also may not be able to verify it from personal experience. >> >> >> >> >> >> *From:* AF *On Behalf Of *Adair Winter >> *Sent:* Wednesday, January 15, 2020 9:46 AM >> *To:* AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group >> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Licensed radios >> >> >> >> Hell ya we do, we have three 4096 QAM links running and about to add one >> more. >> >> It's the only way to go >> >> >> >> On Wed, Jan 15, 2020 at 9:43 AM Ken Hohhof wrote: >> >> You have actual links running 4096QAM IRL? >> >> >> >> I thought it was more like being able to land a quadruple axel. Once. >> In practice. OK, define “land”. Walk away? Able to skate again once the >> cast comes off? >> >> >> >> But I have to admit my view of licensed backhaul capacity has evolved as >> video streaming has come to dominate the Internet. Once I thought the only >> number that mattered was the 5 nines throughput, or worst case 4 nines. >> But customers stream 24x7 and will raise a much bigger fuss over >> most-of-the-time speed than over the occasional drop in capacity or even >> outage. >> >> >> >> Still, even on 2048QAM radios, actually getting 2048QAM seems like >> hitting all green lights on the way to work. It’s nice, but you don’t bet >> your life on it, or cry when you see the modulation drop to 1024QAM for no >> apparent reason. Or 256 or 512 during heavy rain. Maybe if you have all >> really short links. We are rural and don’t have that luxury. Most of our >> links are 6-10 miles. And given that our climate future seems to look like >> Waterworld, rain cannot be ignored. >> >> >> >> >> >> *From:* AF *On Behalf Of *Andreas Wiatowski >> *Sent:* Wednesday, January 15, 2020 8:05 AM >> *To:* AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group >> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Licensed radios >> >> >> >> I find the Aviat radios easier to configure…but the Cambium/Ceragon is >> more of a mature platform. Aviat however does 4096QAM. >> >> >> >> >> >> *Internet.*** >> ** >> *Phone.****TV.* >> >> *Andreas Wiatowski* >> >> CEO/Founder >> >> Silo >> >> *1-866-727-4138, ext 600* <1-866-727-4138,%20ext%20600> >> >> | >> >> *andr...@silo.ca* >> >> *silo.ca* <http://www.silo.ca/> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> *From: *AF on behalf of Gino Villarini < >> g...@aeronetpr.com> >> *Reply-To: *AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group >> *Date: *Wednesday, January 15, 2020 at 4:31 AM >> *To: *AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group >> *Subject: *Re: [AFMUG] Licensed radios >> >> >> >> [EXTERNAL] >> >> Right… yeah mind f*** the 820c is a dual core radio… the Bridgewave and >> Aviat radios that do this are single core… so less $$$ >> >> >> >> *From: *AF on behalf of Erich Kaiser < >> er...@northcentraltower.com> >> *Reply-To: *AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group >> *Date: *Wednesday, January 15, 2020 at 5:16 AM >> *To: *AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group >> *Subject: *Re: [AFMUG] Licensed radios >> >>
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Yes, as I mentioned previously the system gain of the WTM 4200 at 80 MHz bandwidth, 4096 QAM is 77.5 dBm (threshold is -52.0 dBm and tx power is 25.5 dBm). This provides 7.5 dB more fade margin than the AF-11 at 80 MHz bandwidth, 1024 QAM (system gain 70.5 dBm, threshold -52.5 dBm and tx power is 18.0 dBm) > On Jan 15, 2020, at 12:58 PM, Mathew Howard wrote: > > Based on the required signal levels listed in Aviat's spec sheets, it > shouldn't be that hard to achieve 4096QAM. I don't remember what the numbers > were off hand, but it was well within what I would expect on a real world > link. > > On Wed, Jan 15, 2020 at 9:59 AM Ken Hohhof <mailto:af...@kwisp.com>> wrote: > Just to be clear, the links are actually running at 4096QAM? That’s pretty > impressive. > > > > But is it like saying you own a 250 mph car? It may be true, but you also > may not be able to verify it from personal experience. > > > > > > From: AF mailto:af-boun...@af.afmug.com>> On Behalf > Of Adair Winter > Sent: Wednesday, January 15, 2020 9:46 AM > To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group <mailto:af@af.afmug.com>> > Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Licensed radios > > > > Hell ya we do, we have three 4096 QAM links running and about to add one more. > > It's the only way to go > > > > On Wed, Jan 15, 2020 at 9:43 AM Ken Hohhof <mailto:af...@kwisp.com>> wrote: > > You have actual links running 4096QAM IRL? > > > > I thought it was more like being able to land a quadruple axel. Once. In > practice. OK, define “land”. Walk away? Able to skate again once the cast > comes off? > > > > But I have to admit my view of licensed backhaul capacity has evolved as > video streaming has come to dominate the Internet. Once I thought the only > number that mattered was the 5 nines throughput, or worst case 4 nines. But > customers stream 24x7 and will raise a much bigger fuss over most-of-the-time > speed than over the occasional drop in capacity or even outage. > > > > Still, even on 2048QAM radios, actually getting 2048QAM seems like hitting > all green lights on the way to work. It’s nice, but you don’t bet your life > on it, or cry when you see the modulation drop to 1024QAM for no apparent > reason. Or 256 or 512 during heavy rain. Maybe if you have all really short > links. We are rural and don’t have that luxury. Most of our links are 6-10 > miles. And given that our climate future seems to look like Waterworld, rain > cannot be ignored. > > > > > > From: AF mailto:af-boun...@af.afmug.com>> On Behalf > Of Andreas Wiatowski > Sent: Wednesday, January 15, 2020 8:05 AM > To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group <mailto:af@af.afmug.com>> > Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Licensed radios > > > > I find the Aviat radios easier to configure…but the Cambium/Ceragon is more > of a mature platform. Aviat however does 4096QAM. > > > > > > Internet. > Phone. > TV. > > Andreas Wiatowski > > CEO/Founder > > Silo > > 1-866-727-4138, ext 600 > | > > andr...@silo.ca <mailto:andr...@silo.ca> > silo.ca <http://www.silo.ca/> > > > > > > > > > > > > > From: AF mailto:af-boun...@af.afmug.com>> on behalf > of Gino Villarini mailto:g...@aeronetpr.com>> > Reply-To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group <mailto:af@af.afmug.com>> > Date: Wednesday, January 15, 2020 at 4:31 AM > To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group <mailto:af@af.afmug.com>> > Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Licensed radios > > > > [EXTERNAL] > > Right… yeah mind f*** the 820c is a dual core radio… the Bridgewave and Aviat > radios that do this are single core… so less $$$ > > > > From: AF mailto:af-boun...@af.afmug.com>> on behalf > of Erich Kaiser <mailto:er...@northcentraltower.com>> > Reply-To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group <mailto:af@af.afmug.com>> > Date: Wednesday, January 15, 2020 at 5:16 AM > To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group <mailto:af@af.afmug.com>> > Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Licensed radios > > > > No you can do ACCP on one unit, you just need a combiner that they sell that > goes between the dish and radio. Non-Adjacent channels could be an option > with two radios but probably would do it with two PTP820S and a combiner. > > > > > > Erich Kaiser > > North Central Tower > > er...@northcentraltower.com <mailto:er...@northcentraltower.com> > Office: 815-570-3101 > > > > > > > >
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That’s what I thought the OP was saying, 4 x 80 MHz channels on a dual core radio, capacity probably 2.5+ Gbps full duplex. From: AF On Behalf Of Mathew Howard Sent: Wednesday, January 15, 2020 11:55 AM To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Licensed radios Yeah, if I'm understanding correctly, ACCP on the 820C is just running both cores on the same polarity. What Aviat and Bridgewave are doing is a bit different... they can do 2 80mhz channels per core, so a single dual core radio can do a total of 4 80mhz channels, and a single core radio can do 2 (but they would need to both be adjacent channels in the same polarity). On Wed, Jan 15, 2020 at 3:31 AM Gino A. Villarini mailto:g...@aeronetpr.com> > wrote: Right… yeah mind f*** the 820c is a dual core radio… the Bridgewave and Aviat radios that do this are single core… so less $$$ From: AF mailto:af-boun...@af.afmug.com> > on behalf of Erich Kaiser mailto:er...@northcentraltower.com> > Reply-To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group mailto:af@af.afmug.com> > Date: Wednesday, January 15, 2020 at 5:16 AM To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group mailto:af@af.afmug.com> > Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Licensed radios No you can do ACCP on one unit, you just need a combiner that they sell that goes between the dish and radio. Non-Adjacent channels could be an option with two radios but probably would do it with two PTP820S and a combiner. Erich Kaiser North Central Tower er...@northcentraltower.com <mailto:er...@northcentraltower.com> Office: 815-570-3101 On Wed, Jan 15, 2020 at 2:39 AM Gino A. Villarini mailto:g...@aeronetpr.com> > wrote: Don’t you need an extra radio for this on the 820C? Gino Villarini Founder/President @gvillarini t: 787.273.4143 Ext. 204 m: <http://www.aeronetpr.com/> <http://www.aeronetpr.com/> <http://www.aeronetpr.com/> <http://www.aeronetpr.com/> <http://www.aeronetpr.com/> <http://www.aeronetpr.com/> <http://www.aeronetpr.com/> <http://www.aeronetpr.com/> www.aeronetpr.com | Metro Office Park #18 Suite 304 Guaynabo, PR 00968 <http://www.aeronetpr.com/> From: AF on behalf of Erich Kaiser Reply-To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group Date: Wednesday, January 15, 2020 at 2:49 AM To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Licensed radios <http://www.aeronetpr.com/> <http://www.aeronetpr.com/> PTP820C does this its called ACCP. <http://www.aeronetpr.com/> <http://www.aeronetpr.com/> <http://www.aeronetpr.com/> Erich Kaiser <http://www.aeronetpr.com/> North Central Tower <http://www.aeronetpr.com/> er...@northcentraltower.com <http://www.aeronetpr.com/> Office: 815-570-3101 <http://www.aeronetpr.com/> <http://www.aeronetpr.com/> <http://www.aeronetpr.com/> <http://www.aeronetpr.com/> <http://www.aeronetpr.com/> On Tue, Jan 14, 2020 at 4:17 PM SmarterBroadband wrote: <http://www.aeronetpr.com/> Hi <http://www.aeronetpr.com/> <http://www.aeronetpr.com/> The BridgeWave Navigator states it can have more than 2x80 channels on one dual core radio, however the extra channels have to be adjacent. <http://www.aeronetpr.com/> <http://www.aeronetpr.com/> Do any other vendors do this in 11 and 18GHz Today (no vaporware).And do any have non-adjacent channels? <http://www.aeronetpr.com/> <http://www.aeronetpr.com/> Thanks <http://www.aeronetpr.com/> <http://www.aeronetpr.com/> Adam <http://www.aeronetpr.com/> -- AF mailing list AF@af.afmug.com http://af.afmug.com/mailman/listinfo/af_af.afmug.com <http://www.aeronetpr.com/> -- AF mailing list AF@af.afmug.com http://af.afmug.com/mailman/listinfo/af_af.afmug.com <http://www.aeronetpr.com/> -- AF mailing list AF@af.afmug.com http://af.afmug.com/mailman/listinfo/af_af.afmug.com -- AF mailing list AF@af.afmug.com http://af.afmug.com/mailman/listinfo/af_af.afmug.com
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I know these aren’t WiFi radios. I wasn’t born yesterday, and this isn’t my first rodeo licensed link. The “why you have such a hard time believing” is quite simple. I’ve seen links not run at the full modulation the radios are capable of. Sometimes full modulation one direction and less in the other. SNR requirements at > 1024QAM are pretty high, plus xmt power usually needs to be reduced at the highest modulation levels. Not just thermal noise but atmospheric effects, interference, less than perfect XPIC rejection, etc. can make it tough to get the SNR required. I’m not doubting the radios are 4096QAM capable, but being able to consistently achieve that modulation in the field is IMHO pretty impressive. When you said you have three 4096QAM links running, it wasn’t 100% clear whether you meant links with 4096QAM radios, or links achieving that modulation. I guess it’s like the Farmer’s Insurance commercials. We know a thing or two, because we’ve seen a thing or two. You don’t always get the spec sheet numbers in real life. That doesn’t mean the vendor is lying, in fact licensed radios pretty much deliver what they advertise (although you have to watch out for aggregate vs full duplex capacity numbers). It’s more that field results aren’t always the same as lab results. From: AF On Behalf Of Adair Winter Sent: Wednesday, January 15, 2020 10:46 AM To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Licensed radios I'm not sure why you have such a hard time believing that 4096 QAM is a thing that works. And yes, All of our links that are capable of it are indeed holding that QAM rate. Our links are 4-7 miles. It's not magic, design the link high RSL for the distance and they will do exactly what they are supposed to do. These aren't wifi radios.. On Wed, Jan 15, 2020 at 9:59 AM Ken Hohhof mailto:af...@kwisp.com> > wrote: Just to be clear, the links are actually running at 4096QAM? That’s pretty impressive. But is it like saying you own a 250 mph car? It may be true, but you also may not be able to verify it from personal experience. From: AF mailto:af-boun...@af.afmug.com> > On Behalf Of Adair Winter Sent: Wednesday, January 15, 2020 9:46 AM To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group mailto:af@af.afmug.com> > Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Licensed radios Hell ya we do, we have three 4096 QAM links running and about to add one more. It's the only way to go On Wed, Jan 15, 2020 at 9:43 AM Ken Hohhof mailto:af...@kwisp.com> > wrote: You have actual links running 4096QAM IRL? I thought it was more like being able to land a quadruple axel. Once. In practice. OK, define “land”. Walk away? Able to skate again once the cast comes off? But I have to admit my view of licensed backhaul capacity has evolved as video streaming has come to dominate the Internet. Once I thought the only number that mattered was the 5 nines throughput, or worst case 4 nines. But customers stream 24x7 and will raise a much bigger fuss over most-of-the-time speed than over the occasional drop in capacity or even outage. Still, even on 2048QAM radios, actually getting 2048QAM seems like hitting all green lights on the way to work. It’s nice, but you don’t bet your life on it, or cry when you see the modulation drop to 1024QAM for no apparent reason. Or 256 or 512 during heavy rain. Maybe if you have all really short links. We are rural and don’t have that luxury. Most of our links are 6-10 miles. And given that our climate future seems to look like Waterworld, rain cannot be ignored. From: AF mailto:af-boun...@af.afmug.com> > On Behalf Of Andreas Wiatowski Sent: Wednesday, January 15, 2020 8:05 AM To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group mailto:af@af.afmug.com> > Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Licensed radios I find the Aviat radios easier to configure…but the Cambium/Ceragon is more of a mature platform. Aviat however does 4096QAM. Internet. Phone. TV. Andreas Wiatowski CEO/Founder Silo 1-866-727-4138, ext 600 | <mailto:andr...@silo.ca> andr...@silo.ca <http://www.silo.ca/> silo.ca From: AF mailto:af-boun...@af.afmug.com> > on behalf of Gino Villarini mailto:g...@aeronetpr.com> > Reply-To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group mailto:af@af.afmug.com> > Date: Wednesday, January 15, 2020 at 4:31 AM To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group mailto:af@af.afmug.com> > Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Licensed radios [EXTERNAL] Right… yeah mind f*** the 820c is a dual core radio… the Bridgewave and Aviat radios that do this are single core… so less $$$ From: AF mailto:af-boun...@af.afmug.com> > on behalf of Erich Kaiser mailto:er...@northcentraltower.com> > Reply-To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group mailto:af@af.afmug.com> > Date: Wednesday, January 15, 2020 at 5:16 AM To: AnimalFarm Mi
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Based on the required signal levels listed in Aviat's spec sheets, it shouldn't be that hard to achieve 4096QAM. I don't remember what the numbers were off hand, but it was well within what I would expect on a real world link. On Wed, Jan 15, 2020 at 9:59 AM Ken Hohhof wrote: > Just to be clear, the links are actually running at 4096QAM? That’s > pretty impressive. > > > > But is it like saying you own a 250 mph car? It may be true, but you also > may not be able to verify it from personal experience. > > > > > > *From:* AF *On Behalf Of *Adair Winter > *Sent:* Wednesday, January 15, 2020 9:46 AM > *To:* AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group > *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Licensed radios > > > > Hell ya we do, we have three 4096 QAM links running and about to add one > more. > > It's the only way to go > > > > On Wed, Jan 15, 2020 at 9:43 AM Ken Hohhof wrote: > > You have actual links running 4096QAM IRL? > > > > I thought it was more like being able to land a quadruple axel. Once. In > practice. OK, define “land”. Walk away? Able to skate again once the > cast comes off? > > > > But I have to admit my view of licensed backhaul capacity has evolved as > video streaming has come to dominate the Internet. Once I thought the only > number that mattered was the 5 nines throughput, or worst case 4 nines. > But customers stream 24x7 and will raise a much bigger fuss over > most-of-the-time speed than over the occasional drop in capacity or even > outage. > > > > Still, even on 2048QAM radios, actually getting 2048QAM seems like hitting > all green lights on the way to work. It’s nice, but you don’t bet your > life on it, or cry when you see the modulation drop to 1024QAM for no > apparent reason. Or 256 or 512 during heavy rain. Maybe if you have all > really short links. We are rural and don’t have that luxury. Most of our > links are 6-10 miles. And given that our climate future seems to look like > Waterworld, rain cannot be ignored. > > > > > > *From:* AF *On Behalf Of *Andreas Wiatowski > *Sent:* Wednesday, January 15, 2020 8:05 AM > *To:* AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group > *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Licensed radios > > > > I find the Aviat radios easier to configure…but the Cambium/Ceragon is > more of a mature platform. Aviat however does 4096QAM. > > > > *Internet.*** > ** > *Phone.****TV.* > > *Andreas Wiatowski* > > CEO/Founder > > Silo > > *1-866-727-4138, ext 600* <1-866-727-4138,%20ext%20600> > > | > > *andr...@silo.ca* > > *silo.ca* <http://www.silo.ca/> > > > > > > > > *From: *AF on behalf of Gino Villarini < > g...@aeronetpr.com> > *Reply-To: *AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group > *Date: *Wednesday, January 15, 2020 at 4:31 AM > *To: *AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group > *Subject: *Re: [AFMUG] Licensed radios > > > > [EXTERNAL] > > Right… yeah mind f*** the 820c is a dual core radio… the Bridgewave and > Aviat radios that do this are single core… so less $$$ > > > > *From: *AF on behalf of Erich Kaiser < > er...@northcentraltower.com> > *Reply-To: *AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group > *Date: *Wednesday, January 15, 2020 at 5:16 AM > *To: *AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group > *Subject: *Re: [AFMUG] Licensed radios > > > > No you can do ACCP on one unit, you just need a combiner that they sell > that goes between the dish and radio. Non-Adjacent channels could be an > option with two radios but probably would do it with two PTP820S and a > combiner. > > > > > Erich Kaiser > > North Central Tower > > er...@northcentraltower.com > > Office: 815-570-3101 > > > > > > > > > > On Wed, Jan 15, 2020 at 2:39 AM Gino A. Villarini > wrote: > > Don’t you need an extra radio for this on the 820C? > > > > *Gino** Villarini * > Founder/President > @gvillarini > t: 787.273.4143 Ext. 204 > m: > > <http://www.aeronetpr.com/> > > <http://www.aeronetpr.com/> > > <http://www.aeronetpr.com/> > > <http://www.aeronetpr.com/> > > <http://www.aeronetpr.com/> > > <http://www.aeronetpr.com/> > > <http://www.aeronetpr.com/> > > *www.aeronetpr.com* | Metro Office Park #18 Suite 304 Guaynabo, PR 00968 > <http://www.aeronetpr.com/> > > > > > > *From: AF on behalf of Erich Kaiser > Reply-To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group > Date: Wednesday, January 15, 2020 at 2:49 AMTo: AnimalFarm > Microwave Users Group Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Licensed radios > <http://www.aeronetpr.com/>* > >
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Yeah, if I'm understanding correctly, ACCP on the 820C is just running both cores on the same polarity. What Aviat and Bridgewave are doing is a bit different... they can do 2 80mhz channels per core, so a single dual core radio can do a total of 4 80mhz channels, and a single core radio can do 2 (but they would need to both be adjacent channels in the same polarity). On Wed, Jan 15, 2020 at 3:31 AM Gino A. Villarini wrote: > Right… yeah mind f*** the 820c is a dual core radio… the Bridgewave and > Aviat radios that do this are single core… so less $$$ > > > > *From: *AF on behalf of Erich Kaiser < > er...@northcentraltower.com> > *Reply-To: *AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group > *Date: *Wednesday, January 15, 2020 at 5:16 AM > *To: *AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group > *Subject: *Re: [AFMUG] Licensed radios > > > > No you can do ACCP on one unit, you just need a combiner that they sell > that goes between the dish and radio. Non-Adjacent channels could be an > option with two radios but probably would do it with two PTP820S and a > combiner. > > > > > Erich Kaiser > > North Central Tower > > er...@northcentraltower.com > > Office: 815-570-3101 > > > > > > > > > > On Wed, Jan 15, 2020 at 2:39 AM Gino A. Villarini > wrote: > > Don’t you need an extra radio for this on the 820C? > > > > *Gino** Villarini * > Founder/President > @gvillarini > t: 787.273.4143 Ext. 204 > m: > > [image: Image removed by sender. aeronet-logo] <http://www.aeronetpr.com/> > > [image: Image removed by sender. inc500] > <https://www.inc.com/profile/aeronet> > > [image: Image removed by sender. fb-logo] > <https://www.facebook.com/aeronetpr/> > > [image: Image removed by sender. insta-logo] > <https://www.instagram.com/aeronetpr/?hl=en> > > [image: Image removed by sender. in-logo] > <https://www.linkedin.com/company/aeronet-broadband-corp> > > [image: Image removed by sender. tw-logo] > <https://twitter.com/AeroNetPR?ref_src=twsrc%5Egoogle%7Ctwcamp%5Eserp%7Ctwgr%5Eauthor> > > > [image: Image removed by sender. yt-logo] > <https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCr2Q9WBrAYVm3Fn970Jd6VA> > > www.aeronetpr.com | Metro Office Park #18 Suite 304 Guaynabo, PR 00968 > > *From: *AF on behalf of Erich Kaiser < > er...@northcentraltower.com> > *Reply-To: *AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group > *Date: *Wednesday, January 15, 2020 at 2:49 AM > *To: *AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group > *Subject: *Re: [AFMUG] Licensed radios > > > > PTP820C does this its called ACCP. > > > > > Erich Kaiser > > North Central Tower > > er...@northcentraltower.com > > Office: 815-570-3101 > > > > > > > > > > On Tue, Jan 14, 2020 at 4:17 PM SmarterBroadband wrote: > > Hi > > > > The BridgeWave Navigator states it can have more than 2x80 channels on one > dual core radio, however the extra channels have to be adjacent. > > > > Do any other vendors do this in 11 and 18GHz Today (no vaporware).And > do any have non-adjacent channels? > > > > Thanks > > > > Adam > > -- > AF mailing list > AF@af.afmug.com > http://af.afmug.com/mailman/listinfo/af_af.afmug.com > > -- > AF mailing list > AF@af.afmug.com > http://af.afmug.com/mailman/listinfo/af_af.afmug.com > > -- > AF mailing list > AF@af.afmug.com > http://af.afmug.com/mailman/listinfo/af_af.afmug.com > -- AF mailing list AF@af.afmug.com http://af.afmug.com/mailman/listinfo/af_af.afmug.com
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I'm not sure why you have such a hard time believing that 4096 QAM is a thing that works. And yes, All of our links that are capable of it are indeed holding that QAM rate. Our links are 4-7 miles. It's not magic, design the link high RSL for the distance and they will do exactly what they are supposed to do. These aren't wifi radios.. On Wed, Jan 15, 2020 at 9:59 AM Ken Hohhof wrote: > Just to be clear, the links are actually running at 4096QAM? That’s > pretty impressive. > > > > But is it like saying you own a 250 mph car? It may be true, but you also > may not be able to verify it from personal experience. > > > > > > *From:* AF *On Behalf Of *Adair Winter > *Sent:* Wednesday, January 15, 2020 9:46 AM > *To:* AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group > *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Licensed radios > > > > Hell ya we do, we have three 4096 QAM links running and about to add one > more. > > It's the only way to go > > > > On Wed, Jan 15, 2020 at 9:43 AM Ken Hohhof wrote: > > You have actual links running 4096QAM IRL? > > > > I thought it was more like being able to land a quadruple axel. Once. In > practice. OK, define “land”. Walk away? Able to skate again once the > cast comes off? > > > > But I have to admit my view of licensed backhaul capacity has evolved as > video streaming has come to dominate the Internet. Once I thought the only > number that mattered was the 5 nines throughput, or worst case 4 nines. > But customers stream 24x7 and will raise a much bigger fuss over > most-of-the-time speed than over the occasional drop in capacity or even > outage. > > > > Still, even on 2048QAM radios, actually getting 2048QAM seems like hitting > all green lights on the way to work. It’s nice, but you don’t bet your > life on it, or cry when you see the modulation drop to 1024QAM for no > apparent reason. Or 256 or 512 during heavy rain. Maybe if you have all > really short links. We are rural and don’t have that luxury. Most of our > links are 6-10 miles. And given that our climate future seems to look like > Waterworld, rain cannot be ignored. > > > > > > *From:* AF *On Behalf Of *Andreas Wiatowski > *Sent:* Wednesday, January 15, 2020 8:05 AM > *To:* AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group > *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Licensed radios > > > > I find the Aviat radios easier to configure…but the Cambium/Ceragon is > more of a mature platform. Aviat however does 4096QAM. > > > > *Internet.*** > ** > *Phone.****TV.* > > *Andreas Wiatowski* > > CEO/Founder > > Silo > > *1-866-727-4138, ext 600* <1-866-727-4138,%20ext%20600> > > | > > *andr...@silo.ca* > > *silo.ca* <http://www.silo.ca/> > > > > > > > > *From: *AF on behalf of Gino Villarini < > g...@aeronetpr.com> > *Reply-To: *AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group > *Date: *Wednesday, January 15, 2020 at 4:31 AM > *To: *AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group > *Subject: *Re: [AFMUG] Licensed radios > > > > [EXTERNAL] > > Right… yeah mind f*** the 820c is a dual core radio… the Bridgewave and > Aviat radios that do this are single core… so less $$$ > > > > *From: *AF on behalf of Erich Kaiser < > er...@northcentraltower.com> > *Reply-To: *AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group > *Date: *Wednesday, January 15, 2020 at 5:16 AM > *To: *AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group > *Subject: *Re: [AFMUG] Licensed radios > > > > No you can do ACCP on one unit, you just need a combiner that they sell > that goes between the dish and radio. Non-Adjacent channels could be an > option with two radios but probably would do it with two PTP820S and a > combiner. > > > > > Erich Kaiser > > North Central Tower > > er...@northcentraltower.com > > Office: 815-570-3101 > > > > > > > > > > On Wed, Jan 15, 2020 at 2:39 AM Gino A. Villarini > wrote: > > Don’t you need an extra radio for this on the 820C? > > > > *Gino** Villarini * > Founder/President > @gvillarini > t: 787.273.4143 Ext. 204 > m: > > <http://www.aeronetpr.com/> > > <http://www.aeronetpr.com/> > > <http://www.aeronetpr.com/> > > <http://www.aeronetpr.com/> > > <http://www.aeronetpr.com/> > > <http://www.aeronetpr.com/> > > <http://www.aeronetpr.com/> > > *www.aeronetpr.com* | Metro Office Park #18 Suite 304 Guaynabo, PR 00968 > <http://www.aeronetpr.com/> > > > > > > *From: AF on behalf of Erich Kaiser > Reply-To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group > Date: Wednesday, January 15, 2020 at 2:49 AMTo: AnimalFarm > Microwa
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I believe the Navigator is around the same price. They both claim to do double the throughput with stacked subcarriers / A2C. I do like the single unit sparing on the Bridgewave. On Wednesday, January 15, 2020, Adair Winter wrote: > Aviat WTM4200 dual core with 2' antennas is just over $11k. Does 1.4Gb and > has an SFP+ interface. it's my new fave radio > > On Wed, Jan 15, 2020 at 8:44 AM Erich Kaiser > wrote: > >> HOw much is a fully loaded Aviat link? >> >> >> Erich Kaiser >> North Central Tower >> er...@northcentraltower.com >> Office: 815-570-3101 >> >> >> >> >> >> On Wed, Jan 15, 2020 at 3:31 AM Gino A. Villarini >> wrote: >> >>> Right… yeah mind f*** the 820c is a dual core radio… the Bridgewave and >>> Aviat radios that do this are single core… so less $$$ >>> >>> >>> >>> *From: *AF on behalf of Erich Kaiser < >>> er...@northcentraltower.com> >>> *Reply-To: *AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group >>> *Date: *Wednesday, January 15, 2020 at 5:16 AM >>> *To: *AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group >>> *Subject: *Re: [AFMUG] Licensed radios >>> >>> >>> >>> No you can do ACCP on one unit, you just need a combiner that they sell >>> that goes between the dish and radio. Non-Adjacent channels could be an >>> option with two radios but probably would do it with two PTP820S and a >>> combiner. >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> Erich Kaiser >>> >>> North Central Tower >>> >>> er...@northcentraltower.com >>> >>> Office: 815-570-3101 >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> On Wed, Jan 15, 2020 at 2:39 AM Gino A. Villarini >>> wrote: >>> >>> Don’t you need an extra radio for this on the 820C? >>> >>> >>> >>> *Gino** Villarini * >>> Founder/President >>> @gvillarini >>> t: 787.273.4143 Ext. 204 >>> m: >>> >>> [image: Image removed by sender. aeronet-logo] >>> <http://www.aeronetpr.com/> >>> >>> [image: Image removed by sender. inc500] >>> <https://www.inc.com/profile/aeronet> >>> >>> [image: Image removed by sender. fb-logo] >>> <https://www.facebook.com/aeronetpr/> >>> >>> [image: Image removed by sender. insta-logo] >>> <https://www.instagram.com/aeronetpr/?hl=en> >>> >>> [image: Image removed by sender. in-logo] >>> <https://www.linkedin.com/company/aeronet-broadband-corp> >>> >>> [image: Image removed by sender. tw-logo] >>> <https://twitter.com/AeroNetPR?ref_src=twsrc%5Egoogle%7Ctwcamp%5Eserp%7Ctwgr%5Eauthor> >>> >>> >>> [image: Image removed by sender. yt-logo] >>> <https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCr2Q9WBrAYVm3Fn970Jd6VA> >>> >>> www.aeronetpr.com | Metro Office Park #18 Suite 304 Guaynabo, PR 00968 >>> >>> *From: *AF on behalf of Erich Kaiser < >>> er...@northcentraltower.com> >>> *Reply-To: *AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group >>> *Date: *Wednesday, January 15, 2020 at 2:49 AM >>> *To: *AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group >>> *Subject: *Re: [AFMUG] Licensed radios >>> >>> >>> >>> PTP820C does this its called ACCP. >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> Erich Kaiser >>> >>> North Central Tower >>> >>> er...@northcentraltower.com >>> >>> Office: 815-570-3101 >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> On Tue, Jan 14, 2020 at 4:17 PM SmarterBroadband wrote: >>> >>> Hi >>> >>> >>> >>> The BridgeWave Navigator states it can have more than 2x80 channels on >>> one dual core radio, however the extra channels have to be adjacent. >>> >>> >>> >>> Do any other vendors do this in 11 and 18GHz Today (no vaporware). >>> And do any have non-adjacent channels? >>> >>> >>> >>> Thanks >>> >>> >>> >>> Adam >>> >>> -- >>> AF mailing list >>> AF@af.afmug.com >>> http://af.afmug.com/mailman/listinfo/af_af.afmug.com >>> >>> -- >>> AF mailing list >>> AF@af.afmug.com >>> http://af.afmug.com/mailman/listinfo/af_af.afmug.com >>> >>> -- >>> AF mailing list >>> AF@af.afmug.com >>> http://af.afmug.com/mailman/listinfo/af_af.afmug.com >>> >> -- >> AF mailing list >> AF@af.afmug.com >> http://af.afmug.com/mailman/listinfo/af_af.afmug.com >> > > > -- > > Adair Winter > VP, Network Operations / Co-Owner > Amarillo Wireless | 806.316.5071 > C: 806.231.7180 > http://www.amarillowireless.net > <http://www.amarillowireless.net> > > > -- AF mailing list AF@af.afmug.com http://af.afmug.com/mailman/listinfo/af_af.afmug.com
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AlfoPlus2 11ghz, 4096QAM @ 23 dBM output power, w/ 3 foot dishes, holding 4096QAM at about 10 miles without issues. On Wed, Jan 15, 2020 at 9:54 AM Erich Kaiser wrote: > Distance? > > Erich Kaiser > North Central Tower > er...@northcentraltower.com > Office: 815-570-3101 > > > > > > On Wed, Jan 15, 2020 at 9:47 AM Adair Winter > wrote: > >> Hell ya we do, we have three 4096 QAM links running and about to add one >> more. >> It's the only way to go >> >> On Wed, Jan 15, 2020 at 9:43 AM Ken Hohhof wrote: >> >>> You have actual links running 4096QAM IRL? >>> >>> >>> >>> I thought it was more like being able to land a quadruple axel. Once. >>> In practice. OK, define “land”. Walk away? Able to skate again once the >>> cast comes off? >>> >>> >>> >>> But I have to admit my view of licensed backhaul capacity has evolved as >>> video streaming has come to dominate the Internet. Once I thought the only >>> number that mattered was the 5 nines throughput, or worst case 4 nines. >>> But customers stream 24x7 and will raise a much bigger fuss over >>> most-of-the-time speed than over the occasional drop in capacity or even >>> outage. >>> >>> >>> >>> Still, even on 2048QAM radios, actually getting 2048QAM seems like >>> hitting all green lights on the way to work. It’s nice, but you don’t bet >>> your life on it, or cry when you see the modulation drop to 1024QAM for no >>> apparent reason. Or 256 or 512 during heavy rain. Maybe if you have all >>> really short links. We are rural and don’t have that luxury. Most of our >>> links are 6-10 miles. And given that our climate future seems to look like >>> Waterworld, rain cannot be ignored. >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> *From:* AF *On Behalf Of *Andreas Wiatowski >>> *Sent:* Wednesday, January 15, 2020 8:05 AM >>> *To:* AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group >>> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Licensed radios >>> >>> >>> >>> I find the Aviat radios easier to configure…but the Cambium/Ceragon is >>> more of a mature platform. Aviat however does 4096QAM. >>> >>> >>> >>> *Internet.*** >>> ** >>> *Phone.****TV.* >>> >>> *Andreas Wiatowski* >>> >>> CEO/Founder >>> >>> Silo >>> >>> *1-866-727-4138, ext 600* <1-866-727-4138,%20ext%20600> >>> >>> | >>> >>> *andr...@silo.ca* >>> >>> *silo.ca* <http://www.silo.ca/> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> *From: *AF on behalf of Gino Villarini < >>> g...@aeronetpr.com> >>> *Reply-To: *AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group >>> *Date: *Wednesday, January 15, 2020 at 4:31 AM >>> *To: *AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group >>> *Subject: *Re: [AFMUG] Licensed radios >>> >>> >>> >>> [EXTERNAL] >>> >>> Right… yeah mind f*** the 820c is a dual core radio… the Bridgewave and >>> Aviat radios that do this are single core… so less $$$ >>> >>> >>> >>> *From: *AF on behalf of Erich Kaiser < >>> er...@northcentraltower.com> >>> *Reply-To: *AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group >>> *Date: *Wednesday, January 15, 2020 at 5:16 AM >>> *To: *AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group >>> *Subject: *Re: [AFMUG] Licensed radios >>> >>> >>> >>> No you can do ACCP on one unit, you just need a combiner that they sell >>> that goes between the dish and radio. Non-Adjacent channels could be an >>> option with two radios but probably would do it with two PTP820S and a >>> combiner. >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> Erich Kaiser >>> >>> North Central Tower >>> >>> er...@northcentraltower.com >>> >>> Office: 815-570-3101 >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> On Wed, Jan 15, 2020 at 2:39 AM Gino A. Villarini >>> wrote: >>> >>> Don’t you need an extra radio for this on the 820C? >>> >>> >>> >>> *Gino** Villarini * >>> Founder/President >>> @gvillarini >>> t: 787.273.4143 Ext. 204 >>> m: >>> >>> [image: Image removed by sender. aeronet-logo] >&
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Just to be clear, the links are actually running at 4096QAM? That’s pretty impressive. But is it like saying you own a 250 mph car? It may be true, but you also may not be able to verify it from personal experience. From: AF On Behalf Of Adair Winter Sent: Wednesday, January 15, 2020 9:46 AM To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Licensed radios Hell ya we do, we have three 4096 QAM links running and about to add one more. It's the only way to go On Wed, Jan 15, 2020 at 9:43 AM Ken Hohhof mailto:af...@kwisp.com> > wrote: You have actual links running 4096QAM IRL? I thought it was more like being able to land a quadruple axel. Once. In practice. OK, define “land”. Walk away? Able to skate again once the cast comes off? But I have to admit my view of licensed backhaul capacity has evolved as video streaming has come to dominate the Internet. Once I thought the only number that mattered was the 5 nines throughput, or worst case 4 nines. But customers stream 24x7 and will raise a much bigger fuss over most-of-the-time speed than over the occasional drop in capacity or even outage. Still, even on 2048QAM radios, actually getting 2048QAM seems like hitting all green lights on the way to work. It’s nice, but you don’t bet your life on it, or cry when you see the modulation drop to 1024QAM for no apparent reason. Or 256 or 512 during heavy rain. Maybe if you have all really short links. We are rural and don’t have that luxury. Most of our links are 6-10 miles. And given that our climate future seems to look like Waterworld, rain cannot be ignored. From: AF mailto:af-boun...@af.afmug.com> > On Behalf Of Andreas Wiatowski Sent: Wednesday, January 15, 2020 8:05 AM To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group mailto:af@af.afmug.com> > Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Licensed radios I find the Aviat radios easier to configure…but the Cambium/Ceragon is more of a mature platform. Aviat however does 4096QAM. Internet. Phone. TV. Andreas Wiatowski CEO/Founder Silo 1-866-727-4138, ext 600 | <mailto:andr...@silo.ca> andr...@silo.ca <http://www.silo.ca/> silo.ca From: AF mailto:af-boun...@af.afmug.com> > on behalf of Gino Villarini mailto:g...@aeronetpr.com> > Reply-To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group mailto:af@af.afmug.com> > Date: Wednesday, January 15, 2020 at 4:31 AM To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group mailto:af@af.afmug.com> > Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Licensed radios [EXTERNAL] Right… yeah mind f*** the 820c is a dual core radio… the Bridgewave and Aviat radios that do this are single core… so less $$$ From: AF mailto:af-boun...@af.afmug.com> > on behalf of Erich Kaiser mailto:er...@northcentraltower.com> > Reply-To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group mailto:af@af.afmug.com> > Date: Wednesday, January 15, 2020 at 5:16 AM To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group mailto:af@af.afmug.com> > Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Licensed radios No you can do ACCP on one unit, you just need a combiner that they sell that goes between the dish and radio. Non-Adjacent channels could be an option with two radios but probably would do it with two PTP820S and a combiner. Erich Kaiser North Central Tower er...@northcentraltower.com <mailto:er...@northcentraltower.com> Office: 815-570-3101 On Wed, Jan 15, 2020 at 2:39 AM Gino A. Villarini mailto:g...@aeronetpr.com> > wrote: Don’t you need an extra radio for this on the 820C? Gino Villarini Founder/President @gvillarini t: 787.273.4143 Ext. 204 m: <http://www.aeronetpr.com/> <http://www.aeronetpr.com/> <http://www.aeronetpr.com/> <http://www.aeronetpr.com/> <http://www.aeronetpr.com/> <http://www.aeronetpr.com/> <http://www.aeronetpr.com/> <http://www.aeronetpr.com/> www.aeronetpr.com | Metro Office Park #18 Suite 304 Guaynabo, PR 00968 <http://www.aeronetpr.com/> From: AF on behalf of Erich Kaiser Reply-To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group Date: Wednesday, January 15, 2020 at 2:49 AM To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Licensed radios <http://www.aeronetpr.com/> <http://www.aeronetpr.com/> PTP820C does this its called ACCP. <http://www.aeronetpr.com/> <http://www.aeronetpr.com/> <http://www.aeronetpr.com/> Erich Kaiser <http://www.aeronetpr.com/> North Central Tower <http://www.aeronetpr.com/> er...@northcentraltower.com <http://www.aeronetpr.com/> Office: 815-570-3101 <http://www.aeronetpr.com/> <http://www.aeronetpr.com/> <http://www.aeronetpr.com/> <http://www.aeronetpr.com/> <http://www.aeronetpr.com/> On Tue, Jan 14, 2020 at 4:17 PM SmarterBroadband wrote: <http://www.aeron
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Distance? Erich Kaiser North Central Tower er...@northcentraltower.com Office: 815-570-3101 On Wed, Jan 15, 2020 at 9:47 AM Adair Winter wrote: > Hell ya we do, we have three 4096 QAM links running and about to add one > more. > It's the only way to go > > On Wed, Jan 15, 2020 at 9:43 AM Ken Hohhof wrote: > >> You have actual links running 4096QAM IRL? >> >> >> >> I thought it was more like being able to land a quadruple axel. Once. >> In practice. OK, define “land”. Walk away? Able to skate again once the >> cast comes off? >> >> >> >> But I have to admit my view of licensed backhaul capacity has evolved as >> video streaming has come to dominate the Internet. Once I thought the only >> number that mattered was the 5 nines throughput, or worst case 4 nines. >> But customers stream 24x7 and will raise a much bigger fuss over >> most-of-the-time speed than over the occasional drop in capacity or even >> outage. >> >> >> >> Still, even on 2048QAM radios, actually getting 2048QAM seems like >> hitting all green lights on the way to work. It’s nice, but you don’t bet >> your life on it, or cry when you see the modulation drop to 1024QAM for no >> apparent reason. Or 256 or 512 during heavy rain. Maybe if you have all >> really short links. We are rural and don’t have that luxury. Most of our >> links are 6-10 miles. And given that our climate future seems to look like >> Waterworld, rain cannot be ignored. >> >> >> >> >> >> *From:* AF *On Behalf Of *Andreas Wiatowski >> *Sent:* Wednesday, January 15, 2020 8:05 AM >> *To:* AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group >> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Licensed radios >> >> >> >> I find the Aviat radios easier to configure…but the Cambium/Ceragon is >> more of a mature platform. Aviat however does 4096QAM. >> >> >> >> *Internet.*** >> ** >> *Phone.****TV.* >> >> *Andreas Wiatowski* >> >> CEO/Founder >> >> Silo >> >> *1-866-727-4138, ext 600* <1-866-727-4138,%20ext%20600> >> >> | >> >> *andr...@silo.ca* >> >> *silo.ca* <http://www.silo.ca/> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> *From: *AF on behalf of Gino Villarini < >> g...@aeronetpr.com> >> *Reply-To: *AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group >> *Date: *Wednesday, January 15, 2020 at 4:31 AM >> *To: *AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group >> *Subject: *Re: [AFMUG] Licensed radios >> >> >> >> [EXTERNAL] >> >> Right… yeah mind f*** the 820c is a dual core radio… the Bridgewave and >> Aviat radios that do this are single core… so less $$$ >> >> >> >> *From: *AF on behalf of Erich Kaiser < >> er...@northcentraltower.com> >> *Reply-To: *AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group >> *Date: *Wednesday, January 15, 2020 at 5:16 AM >> *To: *AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group >> *Subject: *Re: [AFMUG] Licensed radios >> >> >> >> No you can do ACCP on one unit, you just need a combiner that they sell >> that goes between the dish and radio. Non-Adjacent channels could be an >> option with two radios but probably would do it with two PTP820S and a >> combiner. >> >> >> >> >> Erich Kaiser >> >> North Central Tower >> >> er...@northcentraltower.com >> >> Office: 815-570-3101 >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> On Wed, Jan 15, 2020 at 2:39 AM Gino A. Villarini >> wrote: >> >> Don’t you need an extra radio for this on the 820C? >> >> >> >> *Gino** Villarini * >> Founder/President >> @gvillarini >> t: 787.273.4143 Ext. 204 >> m: >> >> [image: Image removed by sender. aeronet-logo] >> <http://www.aeronetpr.com/> >> >> [image: Image removed by sender. inc500] >> <https://www.inc.com/profile/aeronet> >> >> [image: Image removed by sender. fb-logo] >> <https://www.facebook.com/aeronetpr/> >> >> [image: Image removed by sender. insta-logo] >> <https://www.instagram.com/aeronetpr/?hl=en> >> >> [image: Image removed by sender. in-logo] >> <https://www.linkedin.com/company/aeronet-broadband-corp> >> >> [image: Image removed by sender. tw-logo] >> <https://twitter.com/AeroNetPR?ref_src=twsrc%5Egoogle%7Ctwcamp%5Eserp%7Ctwgr%5Eauthor> >> >> >> [image: Image removed by sender. yt-logo] >> <https://www.yout
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Hell ya we do, we have three 4096 QAM links running and about to add one more. It's the only way to go On Wed, Jan 15, 2020 at 9:43 AM Ken Hohhof wrote: > You have actual links running 4096QAM IRL? > > > > I thought it was more like being able to land a quadruple axel. Once. In > practice. OK, define “land”. Walk away? Able to skate again once the > cast comes off? > > > > But I have to admit my view of licensed backhaul capacity has evolved as > video streaming has come to dominate the Internet. Once I thought the only > number that mattered was the 5 nines throughput, or worst case 4 nines. > But customers stream 24x7 and will raise a much bigger fuss over > most-of-the-time speed than over the occasional drop in capacity or even > outage. > > > > Still, even on 2048QAM radios, actually getting 2048QAM seems like hitting > all green lights on the way to work. It’s nice, but you don’t bet your > life on it, or cry when you see the modulation drop to 1024QAM for no > apparent reason. Or 256 or 512 during heavy rain. Maybe if you have all > really short links. We are rural and don’t have that luxury. Most of our > links are 6-10 miles. And given that our climate future seems to look like > Waterworld, rain cannot be ignored. > > > > > > *From:* AF *On Behalf Of *Andreas Wiatowski > *Sent:* Wednesday, January 15, 2020 8:05 AM > *To:* AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group > *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Licensed radios > > > > I find the Aviat radios easier to configure…but the Cambium/Ceragon is > more of a mature platform. Aviat however does 4096QAM. > > > > *Internet.*** > ** > *Phone.****TV.* > > *Andreas Wiatowski* > > CEO/Founder > > Silo > > *1-866-727-4138, ext 600* <1-866-727-4138,%20ext%20600> > > | > > *andr...@silo.ca* > > *silo.ca* <http://www.silo.ca/> > > > > > > > > *From: *AF on behalf of Gino Villarini < > g...@aeronetpr.com> > *Reply-To: *AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group > *Date: *Wednesday, January 15, 2020 at 4:31 AM > *To: *AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group > *Subject: *Re: [AFMUG] Licensed radios > > > > [EXTERNAL] > > Right… yeah mind f*** the 820c is a dual core radio… the Bridgewave and > Aviat radios that do this are single core… so less $$$ > > > > *From: *AF on behalf of Erich Kaiser < > er...@northcentraltower.com> > *Reply-To: *AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group > *Date: *Wednesday, January 15, 2020 at 5:16 AM > *To: *AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group > *Subject: *Re: [AFMUG] Licensed radios > > > > No you can do ACCP on one unit, you just need a combiner that they sell > that goes between the dish and radio. Non-Adjacent channels could be an > option with two radios but probably would do it with two PTP820S and a > combiner. > > > > > Erich Kaiser > > North Central Tower > > er...@northcentraltower.com > > Office: 815-570-3101 > > > > > > > > > > On Wed, Jan 15, 2020 at 2:39 AM Gino A. Villarini > wrote: > > Don’t you need an extra radio for this on the 820C? > > > > *Gino** Villarini * > Founder/President > @gvillarini > t: 787.273.4143 Ext. 204 > m: > > [image: Image removed by sender. aeronet-logo] <http://www.aeronetpr.com/> > > [image: Image removed by sender. inc500] > <https://www.inc.com/profile/aeronet> > > [image: Image removed by sender. fb-logo] > <https://www.facebook.com/aeronetpr/> > > [image: Image removed by sender. insta-logo] > <https://www.instagram.com/aeronetpr/?hl=en> > > [image: Image removed by sender. in-logo] > <https://www.linkedin.com/company/aeronet-broadband-corp> > > [image: Image removed by sender. tw-logo] > <https://twitter.com/AeroNetPR?ref_src=twsrc%5Egoogle%7Ctwcamp%5Eserp%7Ctwgr%5Eauthor> > > > [image: Image removed by sender. yt-logo] > <https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCr2Q9WBrAYVm3Fn970Jd6VA> > > www.aeronetpr.com | Metro Office Park #18 Suite 304 Guaynabo, PR 00968 > > *From: *AF on behalf of Erich Kaiser < > er...@northcentraltower.com> > *Reply-To: *AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group > *Date: *Wednesday, January 15, 2020 at 2:49 AM > *To: *AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group > *Subject: *Re: [AFMUG] Licensed radios > > > > PTP820C does this its called ACCP. > > > > > Erich Kaiser > > North Central Tower > > er...@northcentraltower.com > > Office: 815-570-3101 > > > > > > > > > > On Tue, Jan 14, 2020 at 4:17 PM SmarterBroadband wrote: > > Hi > > > > The BridgeWave Navigator states it
Re: [AFMUG] Licensed radios
You have actual links running 4096QAM IRL? I thought it was more like being able to land a quadruple axel. Once. In practice. OK, define “land”. Walk away? Able to skate again once the cast comes off? But I have to admit my view of licensed backhaul capacity has evolved as video streaming has come to dominate the Internet. Once I thought the only number that mattered was the 5 nines throughput, or worst case 4 nines. But customers stream 24x7 and will raise a much bigger fuss over most-of-the-time speed than over the occasional drop in capacity or even outage. Still, even on 2048QAM radios, actually getting 2048QAM seems like hitting all green lights on the way to work. It’s nice, but you don’t bet your life on it, or cry when you see the modulation drop to 1024QAM for no apparent reason. Or 256 or 512 during heavy rain. Maybe if you have all really short links. We are rural and don’t have that luxury. Most of our links are 6-10 miles. And given that our climate future seems to look like Waterworld, rain cannot be ignored. From: AF On Behalf Of Andreas Wiatowski Sent: Wednesday, January 15, 2020 8:05 AM To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Licensed radios I find the Aviat radios easier to configure…but the Cambium/Ceragon is more of a mature platform. Aviat however does 4096QAM. Internet. Phone. TV. Andreas Wiatowski CEO/Founder Silo 1-866-727-4138, ext 600 | <mailto:andr...@silo.ca> andr...@silo.ca <http://www.silo.ca/> silo.ca From: AF mailto:af-boun...@af.afmug.com> > on behalf of Gino Villarini mailto:g...@aeronetpr.com> > Reply-To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group mailto:af@af.afmug.com> > Date: Wednesday, January 15, 2020 at 4:31 AM To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group mailto:af@af.afmug.com> > Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Licensed radios [EXTERNAL] Right… yeah mind f*** the 820c is a dual core radio… the Bridgewave and Aviat radios that do this are single core… so less $$$ From: AF mailto:af-boun...@af.afmug.com> > on behalf of Erich Kaiser mailto:er...@northcentraltower.com> > Reply-To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group mailto:af@af.afmug.com> > Date: Wednesday, January 15, 2020 at 5:16 AM To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group mailto:af@af.afmug.com> > Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Licensed radios No you can do ACCP on one unit, you just need a combiner that they sell that goes between the dish and radio. Non-Adjacent channels could be an option with two radios but probably would do it with two PTP820S and a combiner. Erich Kaiser North Central Tower er...@northcentraltower.com <mailto:er...@northcentraltower.com> Office: 815-570-3101 On Wed, Jan 15, 2020 at 2:39 AM Gino A. Villarini mailto:g...@aeronetpr.com> > wrote: Don’t you need an extra radio for this on the 820C? Gino Villarini Founder/President @gvillarini t: 787.273.4143 Ext. 204 m: <http://www.aeronetpr.com/> <https://www.inc.com/profile/aeronet> <https://www.facebook.com/aeronetpr/> <https://www.instagram.com/aeronetpr/?hl=en> <https://www.linkedin.com/company/aeronet-broadband-corp> <https://twitter.com/AeroNetPR?ref_src=twsrc%5Egoogle%7Ctwcamp%5Eserp%7Ctwgr%5Eauthor> <https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCr2Q9WBrAYVm3Fn970Jd6VA> <http://www.aeronetpr.com> www.aeronetpr.com | Metro Office Park #18 Suite 304 Guaynabo, PR 00968 From: AF mailto:af-boun...@af.afmug.com> > on behalf of Erich Kaiser mailto:er...@northcentraltower.com> > Reply-To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group mailto:af@af.afmug.com> > Date: Wednesday, January 15, 2020 at 2:49 AM To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group mailto:af@af.afmug.com> > Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Licensed radios PTP820C does this its called ACCP. Erich Kaiser North Central Tower er...@northcentraltower.com <mailto:er...@northcentraltower.com> Office: 815-570-3101 On Tue, Jan 14, 2020 at 4:17 PM SmarterBroadband mailto:li...@sbb.net> > wrote: Hi The BridgeWave Navigator states it can have more than 2x80 channels on one dual core radio, however the extra channels have to be adjacent. Do any other vendors do this in 11 and 18GHz Today (no vaporware).And do any have non-adjacent channels? Thanks Adam -- AF mailing list AF@af.afmug.com <mailto:AF@af.afmug.com> http://af.afmug.com/mailman/listinfo/af_af.afmug.com -- AF mailing list AF@af.afmug.com <mailto:AF@af.afmug.com> http://af.afmug.com/mailman/listinfo/af_af.afmug.com -- AF mailing list AF@af.afmug.com http://af.afmug.com/mailman/listinfo/af_af.afmug.com
Re: [AFMUG] Licensed radios
it's under the 4000 series https://aviatnetworks.com/products/all-outdoor-radio/wtm-4000-outdoor-ip-sdn-radio/ On Wed, Jan 15, 2020 at 9:07 AM Erich Kaiser wrote: > Is the 4200 on their website? > > Erich Kaiser > North Central Tower > er...@northcentraltower.com > Office: 815-570-3101 > > > > > > On Wed, Jan 15, 2020 at 9:06 AM Adair Winter > wrote: > >> SIAE was our radio of choice after a really bad experience with cambium. >> Both cambium and siae not having SFP+ ports has really hurt us and we won't >> buy any more radios that don't have them. >> SIAE is supposed to an AP2 that does have an SFP+ interface but I haven't >> seen it yet. >> >> >> On Wed, Jan 15, 2020 at 9:03 AM Erich Kaiser >> wrote: >> >>> Will give it a look. Sounds very reasonable. >>> >>> Erich Kaiser >>> North Central Tower >>> er...@northcentraltower.com >>> Office: 815-570-3101 >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> On Wed, Jan 15, 2020 at 9:00 AM Adair Winter < >>> ada...@amarillowireless.net> wrote: >>> >>>> That's correct. 2 year advanced replacement. I think aviat is working >>>> really hard to get in to the wisp market with a wisp focused radio >>>> platform. >>>> while everyone else, is still just doing what they have always done. I >>>> like being able to jump on their website and just buy a link from aviat >>>> store. >>>> >>>> On Wed, Jan 15, 2020 at 8:57 AM Josh Baird wrote: >>>> >>>>> And that $11k includes pretty much everything you need, including >>>>> advanced replacement warranty, SFP's, etc. >>>>> >>>>> On Wed, Jan 15, 2020 at 9:54 AM Adair Winter < >>>>> ada...@amarillowireless.net> wrote: >>>>> >>>>>> Aviat WTM4200 dual core with 2' antennas is just over $11k. Does >>>>>> 1.4Gb and has an SFP+ interface. it's my new fave radio >>>>>> >>>>>> On Wed, Jan 15, 2020 at 8:44 AM Erich Kaiser < >>>>>> er...@northcentraltower.com> wrote: >>>>>> >>>>>>> HOw much is a fully loaded Aviat link? >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Erich Kaiser >>>>>>> North Central Tower >>>>>>> er...@northcentraltower.com >>>>>>> Office: 815-570-3101 >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> On Wed, Jan 15, 2020 at 3:31 AM Gino A. Villarini >>>>>>> wrote: >>>>>>> >>>>>>>> Right… yeah mind f*** the 820c is a dual core radio… the Bridgewave >>>>>>>> and Aviat radios that do this are single core… so less $$$ >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> *From: *AF on behalf of Erich Kaiser < >>>>>>>> er...@northcentraltower.com> >>>>>>>> *Reply-To: *AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group >>>>>>>> *Date: *Wednesday, January 15, 2020 at 5:16 AM >>>>>>>> *To: *AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group >>>>>>>> *Subject: *Re: [AFMUG] Licensed radios >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> No you can do ACCP on one unit, you just need a combiner that they >>>>>>>> sell that goes between the dish and radio. Non-Adjacent channels >>>>>>>> could be >>>>>>>> an option with two radios but probably would do it with two PTP820S >>>>>>>> and a >>>>>>>> combiner. >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> Erich Kaiser >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> North Central Tower >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> er...@northcentraltower.com >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> Office: 815-570-3101 >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>
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Is the 4200 on their website? Erich Kaiser North Central Tower er...@northcentraltower.com Office: 815-570-3101 On Wed, Jan 15, 2020 at 9:06 AM Adair Winter wrote: > SIAE was our radio of choice after a really bad experience with cambium. > Both cambium and siae not having SFP+ ports has really hurt us and we won't > buy any more radios that don't have them. > SIAE is supposed to an AP2 that does have an SFP+ interface but I haven't > seen it yet. > > > On Wed, Jan 15, 2020 at 9:03 AM Erich Kaiser > wrote: > >> Will give it a look. Sounds very reasonable. >> >> Erich Kaiser >> North Central Tower >> er...@northcentraltower.com >> Office: 815-570-3101 >> >> >> >> >> >> On Wed, Jan 15, 2020 at 9:00 AM Adair Winter >> wrote: >> >>> That's correct. 2 year advanced replacement. I think aviat is working >>> really hard to get in to the wisp market with a wisp focused radio >>> platform. >>> while everyone else, is still just doing what they have always done. I >>> like being able to jump on their website and just buy a link from aviat >>> store. >>> >>> On Wed, Jan 15, 2020 at 8:57 AM Josh Baird wrote: >>> >>>> And that $11k includes pretty much everything you need, including >>>> advanced replacement warranty, SFP's, etc. >>>> >>>> On Wed, Jan 15, 2020 at 9:54 AM Adair Winter < >>>> ada...@amarillowireless.net> wrote: >>>> >>>>> Aviat WTM4200 dual core with 2' antennas is just over $11k. Does 1.4Gb >>>>> and has an SFP+ interface. it's my new fave radio >>>>> >>>>> On Wed, Jan 15, 2020 at 8:44 AM Erich Kaiser < >>>>> er...@northcentraltower.com> wrote: >>>>> >>>>>> HOw much is a fully loaded Aviat link? >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> Erich Kaiser >>>>>> North Central Tower >>>>>> er...@northcentraltower.com >>>>>> Office: 815-570-3101 >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> On Wed, Jan 15, 2020 at 3:31 AM Gino A. Villarini >>>>>> wrote: >>>>>> >>>>>>> Right… yeah mind f*** the 820c is a dual core radio… the Bridgewave >>>>>>> and Aviat radios that do this are single core… so less $$$ >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> *From: *AF on behalf of Erich Kaiser < >>>>>>> er...@northcentraltower.com> >>>>>>> *Reply-To: *AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group >>>>>>> *Date: *Wednesday, January 15, 2020 at 5:16 AM >>>>>>> *To: *AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group >>>>>>> *Subject: *Re: [AFMUG] Licensed radios >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> No you can do ACCP on one unit, you just need a combiner that they >>>>>>> sell that goes between the dish and radio. Non-Adjacent channels could >>>>>>> be >>>>>>> an option with two radios but probably would do it with two PTP820S and >>>>>>> a >>>>>>> combiner. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Erich Kaiser >>>>>>> >>>>>>> North Central Tower >>>>>>> >>>>>>> er...@northcentraltower.com >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Office: 815-570-3101 >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> On Wed, Jan 15, 2020 at 2:39 AM Gino A. Villarini >>>>>>> wrote: >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Don’t you need an extra radio for this on the 820C? >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> *Gino** Villarini * >>>>>>> Founder/President >>>>>>> @gvillarini >>>>>>> t: 787.273.4143 Ext. 204 >>>>>>> m: >>>>>>> >>>>>>> [image: Image removed by sender. aeronet-l
Re: [AFMUG] Licensed radios
SIAE was our radio of choice after a really bad experience with cambium. Both cambium and siae not having SFP+ ports has really hurt us and we won't buy any more radios that don't have them. SIAE is supposed to an AP2 that does have an SFP+ interface but I haven't seen it yet. On Wed, Jan 15, 2020 at 9:03 AM Erich Kaiser wrote: > Will give it a look. Sounds very reasonable. > > Erich Kaiser > North Central Tower > er...@northcentraltower.com > Office: 815-570-3101 > > > > > > On Wed, Jan 15, 2020 at 9:00 AM Adair Winter > wrote: > >> That's correct. 2 year advanced replacement. I think aviat is working >> really hard to get in to the wisp market with a wisp focused radio >> platform. >> while everyone else, is still just doing what they have always done. I >> like being able to jump on their website and just buy a link from aviat >> store. >> >> On Wed, Jan 15, 2020 at 8:57 AM Josh Baird wrote: >> >>> And that $11k includes pretty much everything you need, including >>> advanced replacement warranty, SFP's, etc. >>> >>> On Wed, Jan 15, 2020 at 9:54 AM Adair Winter < >>> ada...@amarillowireless.net> wrote: >>> >>>> Aviat WTM4200 dual core with 2' antennas is just over $11k. Does 1.4Gb >>>> and has an SFP+ interface. it's my new fave radio >>>> >>>> On Wed, Jan 15, 2020 at 8:44 AM Erich Kaiser < >>>> er...@northcentraltower.com> wrote: >>>> >>>>> HOw much is a fully loaded Aviat link? >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> Erich Kaiser >>>>> North Central Tower >>>>> er...@northcentraltower.com >>>>> Office: 815-570-3101 >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> On Wed, Jan 15, 2020 at 3:31 AM Gino A. Villarini >>>>> wrote: >>>>> >>>>>> Right… yeah mind f*** the 820c is a dual core radio… the Bridgewave >>>>>> and Aviat radios that do this are single core… so less $$$ >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> *From: *AF on behalf of Erich Kaiser < >>>>>> er...@northcentraltower.com> >>>>>> *Reply-To: *AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group >>>>>> *Date: *Wednesday, January 15, 2020 at 5:16 AM >>>>>> *To: *AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group >>>>>> *Subject: *Re: [AFMUG] Licensed radios >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> No you can do ACCP on one unit, you just need a combiner that they >>>>>> sell that goes between the dish and radio. Non-Adjacent channels could >>>>>> be >>>>>> an option with two radios but probably would do it with two PTP820S and a >>>>>> combiner. >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> Erich Kaiser >>>>>> >>>>>> North Central Tower >>>>>> >>>>>> er...@northcentraltower.com >>>>>> >>>>>> Office: 815-570-3101 >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> On Wed, Jan 15, 2020 at 2:39 AM Gino A. Villarini >>>>>> wrote: >>>>>> >>>>>> Don’t you need an extra radio for this on the 820C? >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> *Gino** Villarini * >>>>>> Founder/President >>>>>> @gvillarini >>>>>> t: 787.273.4143 Ext. 204 >>>>>> m: >>>>>> >>>>>> [image: Image removed by sender. aeronet-logo] >>>>>> <http://www.aeronetpr.com/> >>>>>> >>>>>> [image: Image removed by sender. inc500] >>>>>> <https://www.inc.com/profile/aeronet> >>>>>> >>>>>> [image: Image removed by sender. fb-logo] >>>>>> <https://www.facebook.com/aeronetpr/> >>>>>> >>>>>> [image: Image removed by sender. insta-logo] >>>>>> <https://www.instagram.com/aeronetpr/?hl=en> >>>>>> >>>>>> [image: Image removed by sender. in-logo] >>&
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Will give it a look. Sounds very reasonable. Erich Kaiser North Central Tower er...@northcentraltower.com Office: 815-570-3101 On Wed, Jan 15, 2020 at 9:00 AM Adair Winter wrote: > That's correct. 2 year advanced replacement. I think aviat is working > really hard to get in to the wisp market with a wisp focused radio > platform. > while everyone else, is still just doing what they have always done. I > like being able to jump on their website and just buy a link from aviat > store. > > On Wed, Jan 15, 2020 at 8:57 AM Josh Baird wrote: > >> And that $11k includes pretty much everything you need, including >> advanced replacement warranty, SFP's, etc. >> >> On Wed, Jan 15, 2020 at 9:54 AM Adair Winter >> wrote: >> >>> Aviat WTM4200 dual core with 2' antennas is just over $11k. Does 1.4Gb >>> and has an SFP+ interface. it's my new fave radio >>> >>> On Wed, Jan 15, 2020 at 8:44 AM Erich Kaiser < >>> er...@northcentraltower.com> wrote: >>> >>>> HOw much is a fully loaded Aviat link? >>>> >>>> >>>> Erich Kaiser >>>> North Central Tower >>>> er...@northcentraltower.com >>>> Office: 815-570-3101 >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> On Wed, Jan 15, 2020 at 3:31 AM Gino A. Villarini >>>> wrote: >>>> >>>>> Right… yeah mind f*** the 820c is a dual core radio… the Bridgewave >>>>> and Aviat radios that do this are single core… so less $$$ >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> *From: *AF on behalf of Erich Kaiser < >>>>> er...@northcentraltower.com> >>>>> *Reply-To: *AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group >>>>> *Date: *Wednesday, January 15, 2020 at 5:16 AM >>>>> *To: *AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group >>>>> *Subject: *Re: [AFMUG] Licensed radios >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> No you can do ACCP on one unit, you just need a combiner that they >>>>> sell that goes between the dish and radio. Non-Adjacent channels could be >>>>> an option with two radios but probably would do it with two PTP820S and a >>>>> combiner. >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> Erich Kaiser >>>>> >>>>> North Central Tower >>>>> >>>>> er...@northcentraltower.com >>>>> >>>>> Office: 815-570-3101 >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> On Wed, Jan 15, 2020 at 2:39 AM Gino A. Villarini >>>>> wrote: >>>>> >>>>> Don’t you need an extra radio for this on the 820C? >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> *Gino** Villarini * >>>>> Founder/President >>>>> @gvillarini >>>>> t: 787.273.4143 Ext. 204 >>>>> m: >>>>> >>>>> [image: Image removed by sender. aeronet-logo] >>>>> <http://www.aeronetpr.com/> >>>>> >>>>> [image: Image removed by sender. inc500] >>>>> <https://www.inc.com/profile/aeronet> >>>>> >>>>> [image: Image removed by sender. fb-logo] >>>>> <https://www.facebook.com/aeronetpr/> >>>>> >>>>> [image: Image removed by sender. insta-logo] >>>>> <https://www.instagram.com/aeronetpr/?hl=en> >>>>> >>>>> [image: Image removed by sender. in-logo] >>>>> <https://www.linkedin.com/company/aeronet-broadband-corp> >>>>> >>>>> [image: Image removed by sender. tw-logo] >>>>> <https://twitter.com/AeroNetPR?ref_src=twsrc%5Egoogle%7Ctwcamp%5Eserp%7Ctwgr%5Eauthor> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> [image: Image removed by sender. yt-logo] >>>>> <https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCr2Q9WBrAYVm3Fn970Jd6VA> >>>>> >>>>> www.aeronetpr.com | Metro Office Park #18 Suite 304 Guaynabo, PR 00968 >>>>> >>>>> *From: *AF on behalf of Erich Kaiser < >>>>> er...@northcentraltower.com> >>>>> *Reply-To: *AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group >>>>> *Date: *Wednesday, January 15, 2020 at 2:49 AM &
Re: [AFMUG] Licensed radios
That's correct. 2 year advanced replacement. I think aviat is working really hard to get in to the wisp market with a wisp focused radio platform. while everyone else, is still just doing what they have always done. I like being able to jump on their website and just buy a link from aviat store. On Wed, Jan 15, 2020 at 8:57 AM Josh Baird wrote: > And that $11k includes pretty much everything you need, including advanced > replacement warranty, SFP's, etc. > > On Wed, Jan 15, 2020 at 9:54 AM Adair Winter > wrote: > >> Aviat WTM4200 dual core with 2' antennas is just over $11k. Does 1.4Gb >> and has an SFP+ interface. it's my new fave radio >> >> On Wed, Jan 15, 2020 at 8:44 AM Erich Kaiser >> wrote: >> >>> HOw much is a fully loaded Aviat link? >>> >>> >>> Erich Kaiser >>> North Central Tower >>> er...@northcentraltower.com >>> Office: 815-570-3101 >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> On Wed, Jan 15, 2020 at 3:31 AM Gino A. Villarini >>> wrote: >>> >>>> Right… yeah mind f*** the 820c is a dual core radio… the Bridgewave and >>>> Aviat radios that do this are single core… so less $$$ >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> *From: *AF on behalf of Erich Kaiser < >>>> er...@northcentraltower.com> >>>> *Reply-To: *AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group >>>> *Date: *Wednesday, January 15, 2020 at 5:16 AM >>>> *To: *AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group >>>> *Subject: *Re: [AFMUG] Licensed radios >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> No you can do ACCP on one unit, you just need a combiner that they sell >>>> that goes between the dish and radio. Non-Adjacent channels could be an >>>> option with two radios but probably would do it with two PTP820S and a >>>> combiner. >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> Erich Kaiser >>>> >>>> North Central Tower >>>> >>>> er...@northcentraltower.com >>>> >>>> Office: 815-570-3101 >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> On Wed, Jan 15, 2020 at 2:39 AM Gino A. Villarini >>>> wrote: >>>> >>>> Don’t you need an extra radio for this on the 820C? >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> *Gino** Villarini * >>>> Founder/President >>>> @gvillarini >>>> t: 787.273.4143 Ext. 204 >>>> m: >>>> >>>> [image: Image removed by sender. aeronet-logo] >>>> <http://www.aeronetpr.com/> >>>> >>>> [image: Image removed by sender. inc500] >>>> <https://www.inc.com/profile/aeronet> >>>> >>>> [image: Image removed by sender. fb-logo] >>>> <https://www.facebook.com/aeronetpr/> >>>> >>>> [image: Image removed by sender. insta-logo] >>>> <https://www.instagram.com/aeronetpr/?hl=en> >>>> >>>> [image: Image removed by sender. in-logo] >>>> <https://www.linkedin.com/company/aeronet-broadband-corp> >>>> >>>> [image: Image removed by sender. tw-logo] >>>> <https://twitter.com/AeroNetPR?ref_src=twsrc%5Egoogle%7Ctwcamp%5Eserp%7Ctwgr%5Eauthor> >>>> >>>> >>>> [image: Image removed by sender. yt-logo] >>>> <https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCr2Q9WBrAYVm3Fn970Jd6VA> >>>> >>>> www.aeronetpr.com | Metro Office Park #18 Suite 304 Guaynabo, PR 00968 >>>> >>>> *From: *AF on behalf of Erich Kaiser < >>>> er...@northcentraltower.com> >>>> *Reply-To: *AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group >>>> *Date: *Wednesday, January 15, 2020 at 2:49 AM >>>> *To: *AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group >>>> *Subject: *Re: [AFMUG] Licensed radios >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> PTP820C does this its called ACCP. >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> Erich Kaiser >>>> >>>> North Central Tower >>>> >>>> er...@northcentraltower.com >>>> >>>> Office: 815-570-3101 >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> On Tue, Jan 14, 2020 at 4:17 PM SmarterBroadband wrote: >>>> >>>> Hi >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> The BridgeWave Navigator states it can have more than 2x80 channels on >>>> one dual core radio, however the extra channels have to be adjacent. >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> Do any other vendors do this in 11 and 18GHz Today (no vaporware). >>>> And do any have non-adjacent channels? >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> Thanks >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> Adam >>>> >>>> -- >>>> AF mailing list >>>> AF@af.afmug.com >>>> http://af.afmug.com/mailman/listinfo/af_af.afmug.com >>>> >>>> -- >>>> AF mailing list >>>> AF@af.afmug.com >>>> http://af.afmug.com/mailman/listinfo/af_af.afmug.com >>>> >>>> -- >>>> AF mailing list >>>> AF@af.afmug.com >>>> http://af.afmug.com/mailman/listinfo/af_af.afmug.com >>>> >>> -- >>> AF mailing list >>> AF@af.afmug.com >>> http://af.afmug.com/mailman/listinfo/af_af.afmug.com >>> >> >> >> -- >> >> Adair Winter >> VP, Network Operations / Co-Owner >> Amarillo Wireless | 806.316.5071 >> C: 806.231.7180 >> http://www.amarillowireless.net >> <http://www.amarillowireless.net> >> >> >> -- >> AF mailing list >> AF@af.afmug.com >> http://af.afmug.com/mailman/listinfo/af_af.afmug.com >> > -- > AF mailing list > AF@af.afmug.com > http://af.afmug.com/mailman/listinfo/af_af.afmug.com > -- Adair Winter VP, Network Operations / Co-Owner Amarillo Wireless | 806.316.5071 C: 806.231.7180 http://www.amarillowireless.net <http://www.amarillowireless.net> -- AF mailing list AF@af.afmug.com http://af.afmug.com/mailman/listinfo/af_af.afmug.com
Re: [AFMUG] Licensed radios
And that $11k includes pretty much everything you need, including advanced replacement warranty, SFP's, etc. On Wed, Jan 15, 2020 at 9:54 AM Adair Winter wrote: > Aviat WTM4200 dual core with 2' antennas is just over $11k. Does 1.4Gb and > has an SFP+ interface. it's my new fave radio > > On Wed, Jan 15, 2020 at 8:44 AM Erich Kaiser > wrote: > >> HOw much is a fully loaded Aviat link? >> >> >> Erich Kaiser >> North Central Tower >> er...@northcentraltower.com >> Office: 815-570-3101 >> >> >> >> >> >> On Wed, Jan 15, 2020 at 3:31 AM Gino A. Villarini >> wrote: >> >>> Right… yeah mind f*** the 820c is a dual core radio… the Bridgewave and >>> Aviat radios that do this are single core… so less $$$ >>> >>> >>> >>> *From: *AF on behalf of Erich Kaiser < >>> er...@northcentraltower.com> >>> *Reply-To: *AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group >>> *Date: *Wednesday, January 15, 2020 at 5:16 AM >>> *To: *AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group >>> *Subject: *Re: [AFMUG] Licensed radios >>> >>> >>> >>> No you can do ACCP on one unit, you just need a combiner that they sell >>> that goes between the dish and radio. Non-Adjacent channels could be an >>> option with two radios but probably would do it with two PTP820S and a >>> combiner. >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> Erich Kaiser >>> >>> North Central Tower >>> >>> er...@northcentraltower.com >>> >>> Office: 815-570-3101 >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> On Wed, Jan 15, 2020 at 2:39 AM Gino A. Villarini >>> wrote: >>> >>> Don’t you need an extra radio for this on the 820C? >>> >>> >>> >>> *Gino** Villarini * >>> Founder/President >>> @gvillarini >>> t: 787.273.4143 Ext. 204 >>> m: >>> >>> [image: Image removed by sender. aeronet-logo] >>> <http://www.aeronetpr.com/> >>> >>> [image: Image removed by sender. inc500] >>> <https://www.inc.com/profile/aeronet> >>> >>> [image: Image removed by sender. fb-logo] >>> <https://www.facebook.com/aeronetpr/> >>> >>> [image: Image removed by sender. insta-logo] >>> <https://www.instagram.com/aeronetpr/?hl=en> >>> >>> [image: Image removed by sender. in-logo] >>> <https://www.linkedin.com/company/aeronet-broadband-corp> >>> >>> [image: Image removed by sender. tw-logo] >>> <https://twitter.com/AeroNetPR?ref_src=twsrc%5Egoogle%7Ctwcamp%5Eserp%7Ctwgr%5Eauthor> >>> >>> >>> [image: Image removed by sender. yt-logo] >>> <https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCr2Q9WBrAYVm3Fn970Jd6VA> >>> >>> www.aeronetpr.com | Metro Office Park #18 Suite 304 Guaynabo, PR 00968 >>> >>> *From: *AF on behalf of Erich Kaiser < >>> er...@northcentraltower.com> >>> *Reply-To: *AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group >>> *Date: *Wednesday, January 15, 2020 at 2:49 AM >>> *To: *AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group >>> *Subject: *Re: [AFMUG] Licensed radios >>> >>> >>> >>> PTP820C does this its called ACCP. >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> Erich Kaiser >>> >>> North Central Tower >>> >>> er...@northcentraltower.com >>> >>> Office: 815-570-3101 >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> On Tue, Jan 14, 2020 at 4:17 PM SmarterBroadband wrote: >>> >>> Hi >>> >>> >>> >>> The BridgeWave Navigator states it can have more than 2x80 channels on >>> one dual core radio, however the extra channels have to be adjacent. >>> >>> >>> >>> Do any other vendors do this in 11 and 18GHz Today (no vaporware). >>> And do any have non-adjacent channels? >>> >>> >>> >>> Thanks >>> >>> >>> >>> Adam >>> >>> -- >>> AF mailing list >>> AF@af.afmug.com >>> http://af.afmug.com/mailman/listinfo/af_af.afmug.com >>> >>> -- >>> AF mailing list >>> AF@af.afmug.com >>> http://af.afmug.com/mailman/listinfo/af_af.afmug.com >>> >>> -- >>> AF mailing list >>> AF@af.afmug.com >>> http://af.afmug.com/mailman/listinfo/af_af.afmug.com >>> >> -- >> AF mailing list >> AF@af.afmug.com >> http://af.afmug.com/mailman/listinfo/af_af.afmug.com >> > > > -- > > Adair Winter > VP, Network Operations / Co-Owner > Amarillo Wireless | 806.316.5071 > C: 806.231.7180 > http://www.amarillowireless.net > <http://www.amarillowireless.net> > > > -- > AF mailing list > AF@af.afmug.com > http://af.afmug.com/mailman/listinfo/af_af.afmug.com > -- AF mailing list AF@af.afmug.com http://af.afmug.com/mailman/listinfo/af_af.afmug.com
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Aviat WTM4200 dual core with 2' antennas is just over $11k. Does 1.4Gb and has an SFP+ interface. it's my new fave radio On Wed, Jan 15, 2020 at 8:44 AM Erich Kaiser wrote: > HOw much is a fully loaded Aviat link? > > > Erich Kaiser > North Central Tower > er...@northcentraltower.com > Office: 815-570-3101 > > > > > > On Wed, Jan 15, 2020 at 3:31 AM Gino A. Villarini > wrote: > >> Right… yeah mind f*** the 820c is a dual core radio… the Bridgewave and >> Aviat radios that do this are single core… so less $$$ >> >> >> >> *From: *AF on behalf of Erich Kaiser < >> er...@northcentraltower.com> >> *Reply-To: *AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group >> *Date: *Wednesday, January 15, 2020 at 5:16 AM >> *To: *AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group >> *Subject: *Re: [AFMUG] Licensed radios >> >> >> >> No you can do ACCP on one unit, you just need a combiner that they sell >> that goes between the dish and radio. Non-Adjacent channels could be an >> option with two radios but probably would do it with two PTP820S and a >> combiner. >> >> >> >> >> Erich Kaiser >> >> North Central Tower >> >> er...@northcentraltower.com >> >> Office: 815-570-3101 >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> On Wed, Jan 15, 2020 at 2:39 AM Gino A. Villarini >> wrote: >> >> Don’t you need an extra radio for this on the 820C? >> >> >> >> *Gino** Villarini * >> Founder/President >> @gvillarini >> t: 787.273.4143 Ext. 204 >> m: >> >> [image: Image removed by sender. aeronet-logo] >> <http://www.aeronetpr.com/> >> >> [image: Image removed by sender. inc500] >> <https://www.inc.com/profile/aeronet> >> >> [image: Image removed by sender. fb-logo] >> <https://www.facebook.com/aeronetpr/> >> >> [image: Image removed by sender. insta-logo] >> <https://www.instagram.com/aeronetpr/?hl=en> >> >> [image: Image removed by sender. in-logo] >> <https://www.linkedin.com/company/aeronet-broadband-corp> >> >> [image: Image removed by sender. tw-logo] >> <https://twitter.com/AeroNetPR?ref_src=twsrc%5Egoogle%7Ctwcamp%5Eserp%7Ctwgr%5Eauthor> >> >> >> [image: Image removed by sender. yt-logo] >> <https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCr2Q9WBrAYVm3Fn970Jd6VA> >> >> www.aeronetpr.com | Metro Office Park #18 Suite 304 Guaynabo, PR 00968 >> >> *From: *AF on behalf of Erich Kaiser < >> er...@northcentraltower.com> >> *Reply-To: *AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group >> *Date: *Wednesday, January 15, 2020 at 2:49 AM >> *To: *AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group >> *Subject: *Re: [AFMUG] Licensed radios >> >> >> >> PTP820C does this its called ACCP. >> >> >> >> >> Erich Kaiser >> >> North Central Tower >> >> er...@northcentraltower.com >> >> Office: 815-570-3101 >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> On Tue, Jan 14, 2020 at 4:17 PM SmarterBroadband wrote: >> >> Hi >> >> >> >> The BridgeWave Navigator states it can have more than 2x80 channels on >> one dual core radio, however the extra channels have to be adjacent. >> >> >> >> Do any other vendors do this in 11 and 18GHz Today (no vaporware).And >> do any have non-adjacent channels? >> >> >> >> Thanks >> >> >> >> Adam >> >> -- >> AF mailing list >> AF@af.afmug.com >> http://af.afmug.com/mailman/listinfo/af_af.afmug.com >> >> -- >> AF mailing list >> AF@af.afmug.com >> http://af.afmug.com/mailman/listinfo/af_af.afmug.com >> >> -- >> AF mailing list >> AF@af.afmug.com >> http://af.afmug.com/mailman/listinfo/af_af.afmug.com >> > -- > AF mailing list > AF@af.afmug.com > http://af.afmug.com/mailman/listinfo/af_af.afmug.com > -- Adair Winter VP, Network Operations / Co-Owner Amarillo Wireless | 806.316.5071 C: 806.231.7180 http://www.amarillowireless.net <http://www.amarillowireless.net> -- AF mailing list AF@af.afmug.com http://af.afmug.com/mailman/listinfo/af_af.afmug.com
Re: [AFMUG] Licensed radios
HOw much is a fully loaded Aviat link? Erich Kaiser North Central Tower er...@northcentraltower.com Office: 815-570-3101 On Wed, Jan 15, 2020 at 3:31 AM Gino A. Villarini wrote: > Right… yeah mind f*** the 820c is a dual core radio… the Bridgewave and > Aviat radios that do this are single core… so less $$$ > > > > *From: *AF on behalf of Erich Kaiser < > er...@northcentraltower.com> > *Reply-To: *AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group > *Date: *Wednesday, January 15, 2020 at 5:16 AM > *To: *AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group > *Subject: *Re: [AFMUG] Licensed radios > > > > No you can do ACCP on one unit, you just need a combiner that they sell > that goes between the dish and radio. Non-Adjacent channels could be an > option with two radios but probably would do it with two PTP820S and a > combiner. > > > > > Erich Kaiser > > North Central Tower > > er...@northcentraltower.com > > Office: 815-570-3101 > > > > > > > > > > On Wed, Jan 15, 2020 at 2:39 AM Gino A. Villarini > wrote: > > Don’t you need an extra radio for this on the 820C? > > > > *Gino** Villarini * > Founder/President > @gvillarini > t: 787.273.4143 Ext. 204 > m: > > [image: Image removed by sender. aeronet-logo] <http://www.aeronetpr.com/> > > [image: Image removed by sender. inc500] > <https://www.inc.com/profile/aeronet> > > [image: Image removed by sender. fb-logo] > <https://www.facebook.com/aeronetpr/> > > [image: Image removed by sender. insta-logo] > <https://www.instagram.com/aeronetpr/?hl=en> > > [image: Image removed by sender. in-logo] > <https://www.linkedin.com/company/aeronet-broadband-corp> > > [image: Image removed by sender. tw-logo] > <https://twitter.com/AeroNetPR?ref_src=twsrc%5Egoogle%7Ctwcamp%5Eserp%7Ctwgr%5Eauthor> > > > [image: Image removed by sender. yt-logo] > <https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCr2Q9WBrAYVm3Fn970Jd6VA> > > www.aeronetpr.com | Metro Office Park #18 Suite 304 Guaynabo, PR 00968 > > *From: *AF on behalf of Erich Kaiser < > er...@northcentraltower.com> > *Reply-To: *AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group > *Date: *Wednesday, January 15, 2020 at 2:49 AM > *To: *AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group > *Subject: *Re: [AFMUG] Licensed radios > > > > PTP820C does this its called ACCP. > > > > > Erich Kaiser > > North Central Tower > > er...@northcentraltower.com > > Office: 815-570-3101 > > > > > > > > > > On Tue, Jan 14, 2020 at 4:17 PM SmarterBroadband wrote: > > Hi > > > > The BridgeWave Navigator states it can have more than 2x80 channels on one > dual core radio, however the extra channels have to be adjacent. > > > > Do any other vendors do this in 11 and 18GHz Today (no vaporware).And > do any have non-adjacent channels? > > > > Thanks > > > > Adam > > -- > AF mailing list > AF@af.afmug.com > http://af.afmug.com/mailman/listinfo/af_af.afmug.com > > -- > AF mailing list > AF@af.afmug.com > http://af.afmug.com/mailman/listinfo/af_af.afmug.com > > -- > AF mailing list > AF@af.afmug.com > http://af.afmug.com/mailman/listinfo/af_af.afmug.com > -- AF mailing list AF@af.afmug.com http://af.afmug.com/mailman/listinfo/af_af.afmug.com
Re: [AFMUG] Licensed radios
I find the Aviat radios easier to configure…but the Cambium/Ceragon is more of a mature platform. Aviat however does 4096QAM. Internet. Phone. TV. Andreas Wiatowski CEO/Founder Silo 1-866-727-4138, ext 600 | andr...@silo.ca silo.ca From: AF on behalf of Gino Villarini Reply-To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group Date: Wednesday, January 15, 2020 at 4:31 AM To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Licensed radios [EXTERNAL] Right… yeah mind f*** the 820c is a dual core radio… the Bridgewave and Aviat radios that do this are single core… so less $$$ From: AF on behalf of Erich Kaiser Reply-To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group Date: Wednesday, January 15, 2020 at 5:16 AM To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Licensed radios No you can do ACCP on one unit, you just need a combiner that they sell that goes between the dish and radio. Non-Adjacent channels could be an option with two radios but probably would do it with two PTP820S and a combiner. Erich Kaiser North Central Tower er...@northcentraltower.com<mailto:er...@northcentraltower.com> Office: 815-570-3101 On Wed, Jan 15, 2020 at 2:39 AM Gino A. Villarini mailto:g...@aeronetpr.com>> wrote: Don’t you need an extra radio for this on the 820C? Gino Villarini Founder/President @gvillarini t: 787.273.4143 Ext. 204 m: [Image removed by sender. aeronet-logo]<http://www.aeronetpr.com/> [Image removed by sender. inc500]<https://www.inc.com/profile/aeronet> [Image removed by sender. fb-logo]<https://www.facebook.com/aeronetpr/> [Image removed by sender. insta-logo]<https://www.instagram.com/aeronetpr/?hl=en> [Image removed by sender. in-logo]<https://www.linkedin.com/company/aeronet-broadband-corp> [Image removed by sender. tw-logo]<https://twitter.com/AeroNetPR?ref_src=twsrc%5Egoogle%7Ctwcamp%5Eserp%7Ctwgr%5Eauthor> [Image removed by sender. yt-logo]<https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCr2Q9WBrAYVm3Fn970Jd6VA> www.aeronetpr.com<http://www.aeronetpr.com> | Metro Office Park #18 Suite 304 Guaynabo, PR 00968 From: AF mailto:af-boun...@af.afmug.com>> on behalf of Erich Kaiser mailto:er...@northcentraltower.com>> Reply-To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group mailto:af@af.afmug.com>> Date: Wednesday, January 15, 2020 at 2:49 AM To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group mailto:af@af.afmug.com>> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Licensed radios PTP820C does this its called ACCP. Erich Kaiser North Central Tower er...@northcentraltower.com<mailto:er...@northcentraltower.com> Office: 815-570-3101 On Tue, Jan 14, 2020 at 4:17 PM SmarterBroadband mailto:li...@sbb.net>> wrote: Hi The BridgeWave Navigator states it can have more than 2x80 channels on one dual core radio, however the extra channels have to be adjacent. Do any other vendors do this in 11 and 18GHz Today (no vaporware).And do any have non-adjacent channels? Thanks Adam -- AF mailing list AF@af.afmug.com<mailto:AF@af.afmug.com> http://af.afmug.com/mailman/listinfo/af_af.afmug.com -- AF mailing list AF@af.afmug.com<mailto:AF@af.afmug.com> http://af.afmug.com/mailman/listinfo/af_af.afmug.com -- AF mailing list AF@af.afmug.com http://af.afmug.com/mailman/listinfo/af_af.afmug.com
Re: [AFMUG] Licensed radios
Right… yeah mind f*** the 820c is a dual core radio… the Bridgewave and Aviat radios that do this are single core… so less $$$ From: AF on behalf of Erich Kaiser Reply-To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group Date: Wednesday, January 15, 2020 at 5:16 AM To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Licensed radios No you can do ACCP on one unit, you just need a combiner that they sell that goes between the dish and radio. Non-Adjacent channels could be an option with two radios but probably would do it with two PTP820S and a combiner. Erich Kaiser North Central Tower er...@northcentraltower.com<mailto:er...@northcentraltower.com> Office: 815-570-3101 On Wed, Jan 15, 2020 at 2:39 AM Gino A. Villarini mailto:g...@aeronetpr.com>> wrote: Don’t you need an extra radio for this on the 820C? Gino Villarini Founder/President @gvillarini t: 787.273.4143 Ext. 204 m: [Image removed by sender. aeronet-logo]<http://www.aeronetpr.com/> [Image removed by sender. inc500]<https://www.inc.com/profile/aeronet> [Image removed by sender. fb-logo]<https://www.facebook.com/aeronetpr/> [Image removed by sender. insta-logo]<https://www.instagram.com/aeronetpr/?hl=en> [Image removed by sender. in-logo]<https://www.linkedin.com/company/aeronet-broadband-corp> [Image removed by sender. tw-logo]<https://twitter.com/AeroNetPR?ref_src=twsrc%5Egoogle%7Ctwcamp%5Eserp%7Ctwgr%5Eauthor> [Image removed by sender. yt-logo]<https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCr2Q9WBrAYVm3Fn970Jd6VA> www.aeronetpr.com<http://www.aeronetpr.com> | Metro Office Park #18 Suite 304 Guaynabo, PR 00968 From: AF mailto:af-boun...@af.afmug.com>> on behalf of Erich Kaiser mailto:er...@northcentraltower.com>> Reply-To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group mailto:af@af.afmug.com>> Date: Wednesday, January 15, 2020 at 2:49 AM To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group mailto:af@af.afmug.com>> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Licensed radios PTP820C does this its called ACCP. Erich Kaiser North Central Tower er...@northcentraltower.com<mailto:er...@northcentraltower.com> Office: 815-570-3101 On Tue, Jan 14, 2020 at 4:17 PM SmarterBroadband mailto:li...@sbb.net>> wrote: Hi The BridgeWave Navigator states it can have more than 2x80 channels on one dual core radio, however the extra channels have to be adjacent. Do any other vendors do this in 11 and 18GHz Today (no vaporware).And do any have non-adjacent channels? Thanks Adam -- AF mailing list AF@af.afmug.com<mailto:AF@af.afmug.com> http://af.afmug.com/mailman/listinfo/af_af.afmug.com<http://af.afmug.com/mailman/listinfo/af_af.afmug.com> -- AF mailing list AF@af.afmug.com<mailto:AF@af.afmug.com> http://af.afmug.com/mailman/listinfo/af_af.afmug.com<http://af.afmug.com/mailman/listinfo/af_af.afmug.com> -- AF mailing list AF@af.afmug.com http://af.afmug.com/mailman/listinfo/af_af.afmug.com
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No you can do ACCP on one unit, you just need a combiner that they sell that goes between the dish and radio. Non-Adjacent channels could be an option with two radios but probably would do it with two PTP820S and a combiner. Erich Kaiser North Central Tower er...@northcentraltower.com Office: 815-570-3101 On Wed, Jan 15, 2020 at 2:39 AM Gino A. Villarini wrote: > Don’t you need an extra radio for this on the 820C? > > > > *Gino* > *Villarini *Founder/President > @gvillarini > t: 787.273.4143 Ext. 204 > m: > [image: aeronet-logo] <http://www.aeronetpr.com/> [image: inc500] > <https://www.inc.com/profile/aeronet> [image: fb-logo] > <https://www.facebook.com/aeronetpr/> [image: insta-logo] > <https://www.instagram.com/aeronetpr/?hl=en> [image: in-logo] > <https://www.linkedin.com/company/aeronet-broadband-corp> [image: > tw-logo] > <https://twitter.com/AeroNetPR?ref_src=twsrc%5Egoogle%7Ctwcamp%5Eserp%7Ctwgr%5Eauthor> > [image: yt-logo] > <https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCr2Q9WBrAYVm3Fn970Jd6VA> > www.aeronetpr.com | Metro Office Park #18 Suite 304 Guaynabo, PR 00968 > > *From: *AF on behalf of Erich Kaiser < > er...@northcentraltower.com> > *Reply-To: *AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group > *Date: *Wednesday, January 15, 2020 at 2:49 AM > *To: *AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group > *Subject: *Re: [AFMUG] Licensed radios > > > > PTP820C does this its called ACCP. > > > > > Erich Kaiser > > North Central Tower > > er...@northcentraltower.com > > Office: 815-570-3101 > > > > > > > > > > On Tue, Jan 14, 2020 at 4:17 PM SmarterBroadband wrote: > > Hi > > > > The BridgeWave Navigator states it can have more than 2x80 channels on one > dual core radio, however the extra channels have to be adjacent. > > > > Do any other vendors do this in 11 and 18GHz Today (no vaporware).And > do any have non-adjacent channels? > > > > Thanks > > > > Adam > > -- > AF mailing list > AF@af.afmug.com > http://af.afmug.com/mailman/listinfo/af_af.afmug.com > > -- > AF mailing list > AF@af.afmug.com > http://af.afmug.com/mailman/listinfo/af_af.afmug.com > -- AF mailing list AF@af.afmug.com http://af.afmug.com/mailman/listinfo/af_af.afmug.com
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Don’t you need an extra radio for this on the 820C? Gino Villarini Founder/President @gvillarini t: 787.273.4143 Ext. 204 m: [https://gallery.mailchimp.com/491678685aaddc31e08616413/images/2a19bac2-257e-4f73-9295-a89a9c48a166.png]<http://www.aeronetpr.com/> [https://image.ibb.co/noQeyp/inc500.png] <https://www.inc.com/profile/aeronet> [https://image.ibb.co/e4pBB9/fb-logo.png] <https://www.facebook.com/aeronetpr/> [https://image.ibb.co/nxuuW9/insta-logo.png] <https://www.instagram.com/aeronetpr/?hl=en> [https://image.ibb.co/jhSEW9/in-logo.png] <https://www.linkedin.com/company/aeronet-broadband-corp> [https://image.ibb.co/dqqq4U/tw-logo.png] <https://twitter.com/AeroNetPR?ref_src=twsrc%5Egoogle%7Ctwcamp%5Eserp%7Ctwgr%5Eauthor> [https://image.ibb.co/bAJcjU/yt-logo.png] <https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCr2Q9WBrAYVm3Fn970Jd6VA> www.aeronetpr.com<http://www.aeronetpr.com> | Metro Office Park #18 Suite 304 Guaynabo, PR 00968 From: AF on behalf of Erich Kaiser Reply-To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group Date: Wednesday, January 15, 2020 at 2:49 AM To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Licensed radios PTP820C does this its called ACCP. Erich Kaiser North Central Tower er...@northcentraltower.com<mailto:er...@northcentraltower.com> Office: 815-570-3101 On Tue, Jan 14, 2020 at 4:17 PM SmarterBroadband mailto:li...@sbb.net>> wrote: Hi The BridgeWave Navigator states it can have more than 2x80 channels on one dual core radio, however the extra channels have to be adjacent. Do any other vendors do this in 11 and 18GHz Today (no vaporware).And do any have non-adjacent channels? Thanks Adam -- AF mailing list AF@af.afmug.com<mailto:AF@af.afmug.com> http://af.afmug.com/mailman/listinfo/af_af.afmug.com<http://af.afmug.com/mailman/listinfo/af_af.afmug.com> -- AF mailing list AF@af.afmug.com http://af.afmug.com/mailman/listinfo/af_af.afmug.com
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PTP820C does this its called ACCP. Erich Kaiser North Central Tower er...@northcentraltower.com Office: 815-570-3101 On Tue, Jan 14, 2020 at 4:17 PM SmarterBroadband wrote: > Hi > > > > The BridgeWave Navigator states it can have more than 2x80 channels on one > dual core radio, however the extra channels have to be adjacent. > > > > Do any other vendors do this in 11 and 18GHz Today (no vaporware).And > do any have non-adjacent channels? > > > > Thanks > > > > Adam > -- > AF mailing list > AF@af.afmug.com > http://af.afmug.com/mailman/listinfo/af_af.afmug.com > -- AF mailing list AF@af.afmug.com http://af.afmug.com/mailman/listinfo/af_af.afmug.com
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Yes... if I remember correctly, I was told that's the case on Aviat radios as well. On Tue, Jan 14, 2020 at 10:25 PM Jason McKemie < j.mcke...@veloxinetbroadband.com> wrote: > My understanding is that is does reduce the max xmt power, at least on the > Navigator radios. > > On Tuesday, January 14, 2020, Ken Hohhof wrote: > >> Do those channels share a power amp and if so, does that reduce the max >> xmt power per channel? >> >> >> >> *From:* AF *On Behalf Of *SmarterBroadband >> *Sent:* Tuesday, January 14, 2020 4:17 PM >> *To:* 'AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group' >> *Subject:* [AFMUG] Licensed radios >> >> >> >> Hi >> >> >> >> The BridgeWave Navigator states it can have more than 2x80 channels on >> one dual core radio, however the extra channels have to be adjacent. >> >> >> >> Do any other vendors do this in 11 and 18GHz Today (no vaporware).And >> do any have non-adjacent channels? >> >> >> >> Thanks >> >> >> >> Adam >> > -- > AF mailing list > AF@af.afmug.com > http://af.afmug.com/mailman/listinfo/af_af.afmug.com > -- AF mailing list AF@af.afmug.com http://af.afmug.com/mailman/listinfo/af_af.afmug.com
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My understanding is that is does reduce the max xmt power, at least on the Navigator radios. On Tuesday, January 14, 2020, Ken Hohhof wrote: > Do those channels share a power amp and if so, does that reduce the max > xmt power per channel? > > > > *From:* AF *On Behalf Of *SmarterBroadband > *Sent:* Tuesday, January 14, 2020 4:17 PM > *To:* 'AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group' > *Subject:* [AFMUG] Licensed radios > > > > Hi > > > > The BridgeWave Navigator states it can have more than 2x80 channels on one > dual core radio, however the extra channels have to be adjacent. > > > > Do any other vendors do this in 11 and 18GHz Today (no vaporware).And > do any have non-adjacent channels? > > > > Thanks > > > > Adam > -- AF mailing list AF@af.afmug.com http://af.afmug.com/mailman/listinfo/af_af.afmug.com
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Aviat does this as well, they call it adaptive dual carrier. On Tuesday, January 14, 2020, SmarterBroadband wrote: > Hi > > > > The BridgeWave Navigator states it can have more than 2x80 channels on one > dual core radio, however the extra channels have to be adjacent. > > > > Do any other vendors do this in 11 and 18GHz Today (no vaporware).And > do any have non-adjacent channels? > > > > Thanks > > > > Adam > -- AF mailing list AF@af.afmug.com http://af.afmug.com/mailman/listinfo/af_af.afmug.com
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Do those channels share a power amp and if so, does that reduce the max xmt power per channel? From: AF On Behalf Of SmarterBroadband Sent: Tuesday, January 14, 2020 4:17 PM To: 'AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group' Subject: [AFMUG] Licensed radios Hi The BridgeWave Navigator states it can have more than 2x80 channels on one dual core radio, however the extra channels have to be adjacent. Do any other vendors do this in 11 and 18GHz Today (no vaporware).And do any have non-adjacent channels? Thanks Adam -- AF mailing list AF@af.afmug.com http://af.afmug.com/mailman/listinfo/af_af.afmug.com
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Adam - contact me off list about the SIAE ALFOPlus2 radio. My contact info below. Thanks, Joe Schraml VP Sales Operations & Marketing SIAE Microelettronica, Inc. +1 (408) 832-4884 joseph.schr...@siaemic.com www.siaemic.com >>> "SmarterBroadband" 1/14/2020 2:16 PM >>> Hi The BridgeWave Navigator states it can have more than 2x80 channels on one dual core radio, however the extra channels have to be adjacent. Do any other vendors do this in 11 and 18GHz Today (no vaporware).And do any have non-adjacent channels? Thanks Adam-- AF mailing list AF@af.afmug.com http://af.afmug.com/mailman/listinfo/af_af.afmug.com
[AFMUG] Licensed radios
Hi The BridgeWave Navigator states it can have more than 2x80 channels on one dual core radio, however the extra channels have to be adjacent. Do any other vendors do this in 11 and 18GHz Today (no vaporware).And do any have non-adjacent channels? Thanks Adam -- AF mailing list AF@af.afmug.com http://af.afmug.com/mailman/listinfo/af_af.afmug.com
