Re: [AFMUG] 48 Volt Battery Revert
An ice storm knocks the power line going to this tower site down. I need batteries until power is restored then I revert back to AC when power is restored and also trickle charge batteries. I also typically have a packetflux site monitor polled every five minutes giving me reports on battery voltage etc. It used to be most our stuff was 24 volt and we used DRP-240-24 - power supply and DR-UPS40 to connect to batteries. Now most our stuff is PMP450i or better and we need mostly 48+ volts. We have have been doing DC to DC to get the 48-55 volts but that is starting to seem very inefficient. On Mon, Nov 25, 2019 at 5:07 PM Ken Hohhof wrote: > OK, I’ve got to ask. What does “revert” mean in this context? > > > > *From:* AF *On Behalf Of *Matt > *Sent:* Monday, November 25, 2019 4:59 PM > *To:* AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group > *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] 48 Volt Battery Revert > > > > >> Somebody suggested the 48V version of the Mean Well USP that appears to > be an exclusive OEM by that fiber equipment company, that may be what you > want. > > > > I would really rather stick with the Mean Well NDR-480-48 but I simply > cannot find a Mean Well battery revert for it. > > > > > > On Fri, Nov 22, 2019 at 12:35 PM Ken Hohhof wrote: > > I really don’t view it as an optional feature. The way the Traco BCM > works is that it controls the voltage of the power supply so rather than > the nominal voltage like 24 or 48 volts, it is set to the proper voltage to > charge the battery, like 28 or 56 volts. It comes with a little 2 wire > jumper cable that goes between the power supply and BCM, and also a > temperature sensor that you attach to the batteries. If you’re not going > to use it that way, I think maybe you should find a different product. > > > > I’m guessing you are using the manual voltage adjust on the Mean Well > power supply with a voltmeter to set the voltage to the float voltage you > want for the batteries and also the voltage that the loads will see. If > the batteries are outside and subject to varying temperature, this is going > to undercharge or overcharge your batteries depending on time of year, > solar heating, etc. The BCM will allow a fairly sizable battery charging > current, so overcharging will probably reduce battery life quite a bit. > Undercharging will hurt your runtime. Overall, it’s non optimum. You’re > using the Mean Well as a dumb charger, and the BCM as an expensive low > voltage disconnect. Not sure why you don’t want to use the TSP series > power supply. > > > > Somebody suggested the 48V version of the Mean Well USP that appears to be > an exclusive OEM by that fiber equipment company, that may be what you want. > > > > > > *From:* AF *On Behalf Of *Adam Moffett > *Sent:* Friday, November 22, 2019 11:56 AM > *To:* af@af.afmug.com > *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] 48 Volt Battery Revert > > > > I think temperature compensation. BCM signals TSP to adjust voltage. > > I assume the AC alarm comes through that link cable too. > > > > On 11/22/2019 12:43 PM, Sterling Jacobson wrote: > > What am I missing not using the TSP power supply and remote link? > > > > *From:* AF *On Behalf > Of *Matt > *Sent:* Friday, November 22, 2019 9:30 AM > *To:* AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group > *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] 48 Volt Battery Revert > > > > So what is the remote link for? > > > > > > On Fri, Nov 22, 2019 at 7:56 AM Josh Baird wrote: > > So you're not taking advantage of one of the most compelling reasons to > use the TSP+BCM combo. > > > > On Fri, Nov 22, 2019 at 8:51 AM Sterling Jacobson > wrote: > > I don’t use the remote link, or the TSP PS units. > > > > *From:* AF *On Behalf Of *Ken Hohhof > *Sent:* Thursday, November 21, 2019 6:17 PM > *To:* 'AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group' > *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] 48 Volt Battery Revert > > > > I wouldn’t think the Mean Well power supply would be compatible with the > remote link on the BCM. > > https://www.tracopower.com/products/tsp-bcm.pdf > > > > I think the TSP-BCMU360 can be fed from any brand of power supply, but > it’s a different animal probably best for smallish batteries. > > > > *From:* AF *On Behalf Of *Sterling Jacobson > *Sent:* Thursday, November 21, 2019 5:56 PM > *To:* AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group > *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] 48 Volt Battery Revert > > > > I use the TSP-BCM48(A). > > > > https://www.trcelectronics.com/View/TRACO-Power/TSP-BCM48.shtml > > > > Around $170 > > > > Takes a 48v input, so I use the Mean Well 48v 10A PSU for about $100 to > feed it. > > > >
Re: [AFMUG] 48 Volt Battery Revert
OK, I’ve got to ask. What does “revert” mean in this context? From: AF On Behalf Of Matt Sent: Monday, November 25, 2019 4:59 PM To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group Subject: Re: [AFMUG] 48 Volt Battery Revert >> Somebody suggested the 48V version of the Mean Well USP that appears to be >> an exclusive OEM by that fiber equipment company, that may be what you want. I would really rather stick with the Mean Well NDR-480-48 but I simply cannot find a Mean Well battery revert for it. On Fri, Nov 22, 2019 at 12:35 PM Ken Hohhof mailto:af...@kwisp.com> > wrote: I really don’t view it as an optional feature. The way the Traco BCM works is that it controls the voltage of the power supply so rather than the nominal voltage like 24 or 48 volts, it is set to the proper voltage to charge the battery, like 28 or 56 volts. It comes with a little 2 wire jumper cable that goes between the power supply and BCM, and also a temperature sensor that you attach to the batteries. If you’re not going to use it that way, I think maybe you should find a different product. I’m guessing you are using the manual voltage adjust on the Mean Well power supply with a voltmeter to set the voltage to the float voltage you want for the batteries and also the voltage that the loads will see. If the batteries are outside and subject to varying temperature, this is going to undercharge or overcharge your batteries depending on time of year, solar heating, etc. The BCM will allow a fairly sizable battery charging current, so overcharging will probably reduce battery life quite a bit. Undercharging will hurt your runtime. Overall, it’s non optimum. You’re using the Mean Well as a dumb charger, and the BCM as an expensive low voltage disconnect. Not sure why you don’t want to use the TSP series power supply. Somebody suggested the 48V version of the Mean Well USP that appears to be an exclusive OEM by that fiber equipment company, that may be what you want. From: AF mailto:af-boun...@af.afmug.com> > On Behalf Of Adam Moffett Sent: Friday, November 22, 2019 11:56 AM To: af@af.afmug.com <mailto:af@af.afmug.com> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] 48 Volt Battery Revert I think temperature compensation. BCM signals TSP to adjust voltage. I assume the AC alarm comes through that link cable too. On 11/22/2019 12:43 PM, Sterling Jacobson wrote: What am I missing not using the TSP power supply and remote link? From: AF <mailto:af-boun...@af.afmug.com> On Behalf Of Matt Sent: Friday, November 22, 2019 9:30 AM To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group <mailto:af@af.afmug.com> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] 48 Volt Battery Revert So what is the remote link for? On Fri, Nov 22, 2019 at 7:56 AM Josh Baird mailto:joshba...@gmail.com> > wrote: So you're not taking advantage of one of the most compelling reasons to use the TSP+BCM combo. On Fri, Nov 22, 2019 at 8:51 AM Sterling Jacobson mailto:sterl...@avative.net> > wrote: I don’t use the remote link, or the TSP PS units. From: AF mailto:af-boun...@af.afmug.com> > On Behalf Of Ken Hohhof Sent: Thursday, November 21, 2019 6:17 PM To: 'AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group' mailto:af@af.afmug.com> > Subject: Re: [AFMUG] 48 Volt Battery Revert I wouldn’t think the Mean Well power supply would be compatible with the remote link on the BCM. https://www.tracopower.com/products/tsp-bcm.pdf I think the TSP-BCMU360 can be fed from any brand of power supply, but it’s a different animal probably best for smallish batteries. From: AF mailto:af-boun...@af.afmug.com> > On Behalf Of Sterling Jacobson Sent: Thursday, November 21, 2019 5:56 PM To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group mailto:af@af.afmug.com> > Subject: Re: [AFMUG] 48 Volt Battery Revert I use the TSP-BCM48(A). https://www.trcelectronics.com/View/TRACO-Power/TSP-BCM48.shtml Around $170 Takes a 48v input, so I use the Mean Well 48v 10A PSU for about $100 to feed it. And a string of four 12v 52AH batteries. From: AF mailto:af-boun...@af.afmug.com> > On Behalf Of Jesse DuPont Sent: Thursday, November 21, 2019 4:02 PM To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group mailto:af@af.afmug.com> >; Matt mailto:matt.mailingli...@gmail.com> > Subject: Re: [AFMUG] 48 Volt Battery Revert This one is for 48V. It's not Meanwell and it's expensive, but it's functionally the same as the DR-UPS40, but for 48V. I imagine Meanwell OEMs this for RLH. https://www.fiberopticlink.com/product/48vdc-ups-battery-charge-controller-module/ Jesse DuPont Network Architect email: jesse.dup...@celeritycorp.net <mailto:jesse.dup...@celeritycorp.net> Celerity Networks LLC Celerity Broadband LLC Like us! facebook.com/celeritynetworksllc <http://facebook.com/celeritynetworksllc> Like us! facebook.com/celeritybroadband <http://facebook.com/celeritybroadband> On 11/2
Re: [AFMUG] 48 Volt Battery Revert
>> Somebody suggested the 48V version of the Mean Well USP that appears to be an exclusive OEM by that fiber equipment company, that may be what you want. I would really rather stick with the Mean Well NDR-480-48 but I simply cannot find a Mean Well battery revert for it. On Fri, Nov 22, 2019 at 12:35 PM Ken Hohhof wrote: > I really don’t view it as an optional feature. The way the Traco BCM > works is that it controls the voltage of the power supply so rather than > the nominal voltage like 24 or 48 volts, it is set to the proper voltage to > charge the battery, like 28 or 56 volts. It comes with a little 2 wire > jumper cable that goes between the power supply and BCM, and also a > temperature sensor that you attach to the batteries. If you’re not going > to use it that way, I think maybe you should find a different product. > > > > I’m guessing you are using the manual voltage adjust on the Mean Well > power supply with a voltmeter to set the voltage to the float voltage you > want for the batteries and also the voltage that the loads will see. If > the batteries are outside and subject to varying temperature, this is going > to undercharge or overcharge your batteries depending on time of year, > solar heating, etc. The BCM will allow a fairly sizable battery charging > current, so overcharging will probably reduce battery life quite a bit. > Undercharging will hurt your runtime. Overall, it’s non optimum. You’re > using the Mean Well as a dumb charger, and the BCM as an expensive low > voltage disconnect. Not sure why you don’t want to use the TSP series > power supply. > > > > Somebody suggested the 48V version of the Mean Well USP that appears to be > an exclusive OEM by that fiber equipment company, that may be what you want. > > > > > > *From:* AF *On Behalf Of *Adam Moffett > *Sent:* Friday, November 22, 2019 11:56 AM > *To:* af@af.afmug.com > *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] 48 Volt Battery Revert > > > > I think temperature compensation. BCM signals TSP to adjust voltage. > > I assume the AC alarm comes through that link cable too. > > > > On 11/22/2019 12:43 PM, Sterling Jacobson wrote: > > What am I missing not using the TSP power supply and remote link? > > > > *From:* AF *On Behalf > Of *Matt > *Sent:* Friday, November 22, 2019 9:30 AM > *To:* AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group > *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] 48 Volt Battery Revert > > > > So what is the remote link for? > > > > > > On Fri, Nov 22, 2019 at 7:56 AM Josh Baird wrote: > > So you're not taking advantage of one of the most compelling reasons to > use the TSP+BCM combo. > > > > On Fri, Nov 22, 2019 at 8:51 AM Sterling Jacobson > wrote: > > I don’t use the remote link, or the TSP PS units. > > > > *From:* AF *On Behalf Of *Ken Hohhof > *Sent:* Thursday, November 21, 2019 6:17 PM > *To:* 'AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group' > *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] 48 Volt Battery Revert > > > > I wouldn’t think the Mean Well power supply would be compatible with the > remote link on the BCM. > > https://www.tracopower.com/products/tsp-bcm.pdf > > > > I think the TSP-BCMU360 can be fed from any brand of power supply, but > it’s a different animal probably best for smallish batteries. > > > > *From:* AF *On Behalf Of *Sterling Jacobson > *Sent:* Thursday, November 21, 2019 5:56 PM > *To:* AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group > *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] 48 Volt Battery Revert > > > > I use the TSP-BCM48(A). > > > > https://www.trcelectronics.com/View/TRACO-Power/TSP-BCM48.shtml > > > > Around $170 > > > > Takes a 48v input, so I use the Mean Well 48v 10A PSU for about $100 to > feed it. > > > > And a string of four 12v 52AH batteries. > > > > > > *From:* AF *On Behalf Of *Jesse DuPont > *Sent:* Thursday, November 21, 2019 4:02 PM > *To:* AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group ; Matt < > matt.mailingli...@gmail.com> > *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] 48 Volt Battery Revert > > > > This one is for 48V. It's not Meanwell and it's expensive, but it's > functionally the same as the DR-UPS40, but for 48V. I imagine Meanwell OEMs > this for RLH. > > > https://www.fiberopticlink.com/product/48vdc-ups-battery-charge-controller-module/ > > *Jesse DuPont* > > Network Architect > email: jesse.dup...@celeritycorp.net > Celerity Networks LLC > > Celerity Broadband LLC > Like us! facebook.com/celeritynetworksllc > > Like us! facebook.com/celeritybroadband > > On 11/21/19 10:37 AM, Matt wrote: > > We use Meanwell DIN mount stuff for battery revert. For 24 volt systems we > use. > > > > D
Re: [AFMUG] 48 Volt Battery Revert
I use TSP 360-148 with TSP-BCM48, so I assume with the BCM48A you would use a TSP 600-148. Actually I would have to check the spec sheet to see if the power supply needs to be rated higher wattage than the BCM so it can power the loads while also recharging the batteries. But I think 600W may be as big as the TSP series goes. Make sure you also have a temperature probe. They can be ordered separately but I think one comes with the BCM. -Original Message- From: AF On Behalf Of Matt Sent: Monday, November 25, 2019 10:59 AM To: af@af.afmug.com Subject: Re: [AFMUG] 48 Volt Battery Revert TSP-BCM48(A). https://www.trcelectronics.com/View/TRACO-Power/TSP-BCM48.shtml So what is a good Traco PS to use with this at around 10 amps? On Thu, Nov 21, 2019 at 11:37 AM Matt wrote: > > We use Meanwell DIN mount stuff for battery revert. For 24 volt systems we use. > > DRP-240-24 - power supply > DR-UPS40 - battery revert > > I want to move to 48 volt battery banks now instead of up converting 24 to 48. > > So what is a version of DR-UPS40 that is DIN mount and supports 48 volt? -- AF mailing list AF@af.afmug.com http://af.afmug.com/mailman/listinfo/af_af.afmug.com -- AF mailing list AF@af.afmug.com http://af.afmug.com/mailman/listinfo/af_af.afmug.com
Re: [AFMUG] 48 Volt Battery Revert
TSP-BCM48(A). https://www.trcelectronics.com/View/TRACO-Power/TSP-BCM48.shtml So what is a good Traco PS to use with this at around 10 amps? On Thu, Nov 21, 2019 at 11:37 AM Matt wrote: > > We use Meanwell DIN mount stuff for battery revert. For 24 volt systems we > use. > > DRP-240-24 - power supply > DR-UPS40 - battery revert > > I want to move to 48 volt battery banks now instead of up converting 24 to 48. > > So what is a version of DR-UPS40 that is DIN mount and supports 48 volt? -- AF mailing list AF@af.afmug.com http://af.afmug.com/mailman/listinfo/af_af.afmug.com
Re: [AFMUG] 48 Volt Battery Revert
I really don’t view it as an optional feature. The way the Traco BCM works is that it controls the voltage of the power supply so rather than the nominal voltage like 24 or 48 volts, it is set to the proper voltage to charge the battery, like 28 or 56 volts. It comes with a little 2 wire jumper cable that goes between the power supply and BCM, and also a temperature sensor that you attach to the batteries. If you’re not going to use it that way, I think maybe you should find a different product. I’m guessing you are using the manual voltage adjust on the Mean Well power supply with a voltmeter to set the voltage to the float voltage you want for the batteries and also the voltage that the loads will see. If the batteries are outside and subject to varying temperature, this is going to undercharge or overcharge your batteries depending on time of year, solar heating, etc. The BCM will allow a fairly sizable battery charging current, so overcharging will probably reduce battery life quite a bit. Undercharging will hurt your runtime. Overall, it’s non optimum. You’re using the Mean Well as a dumb charger, and the BCM as an expensive low voltage disconnect. Not sure why you don’t want to use the TSP series power supply. Somebody suggested the 48V version of the Mean Well USP that appears to be an exclusive OEM by that fiber equipment company, that may be what you want. From: AF On Behalf Of Adam Moffett Sent: Friday, November 22, 2019 11:56 AM To: af@af.afmug.com Subject: Re: [AFMUG] 48 Volt Battery Revert I think temperature compensation. BCM signals TSP to adjust voltage. I assume the AC alarm comes through that link cable too. On 11/22/2019 12:43 PM, Sterling Jacobson wrote: What am I missing not using the TSP power supply and remote link? From: AF <mailto:af-boun...@af.afmug.com> On Behalf Of Matt Sent: Friday, November 22, 2019 9:30 AM To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group <mailto:af@af.afmug.com> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] 48 Volt Battery Revert So what is the remote link for? On Fri, Nov 22, 2019 at 7:56 AM Josh Baird mailto:joshba...@gmail.com> > wrote: So you're not taking advantage of one of the most compelling reasons to use the TSP+BCM combo. On Fri, Nov 22, 2019 at 8:51 AM Sterling Jacobson mailto:sterl...@avative.net> > wrote: I don’t use the remote link, or the TSP PS units. From: AF mailto:af-boun...@af.afmug.com> > On Behalf Of Ken Hohhof Sent: Thursday, November 21, 2019 6:17 PM To: 'AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group' mailto:af@af.afmug.com> > Subject: Re: [AFMUG] 48 Volt Battery Revert I wouldn’t think the Mean Well power supply would be compatible with the remote link on the BCM. https://www.tracopower.com/products/tsp-bcm.pdf I think the TSP-BCMU360 can be fed from any brand of power supply, but it’s a different animal probably best for smallish batteries. From: AF mailto:af-boun...@af.afmug.com> > On Behalf Of Sterling Jacobson Sent: Thursday, November 21, 2019 5:56 PM To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group mailto:af@af.afmug.com> > Subject: Re: [AFMUG] 48 Volt Battery Revert I use the TSP-BCM48(A). https://www.trcelectronics.com/View/TRACO-Power/TSP-BCM48.shtml Around $170 Takes a 48v input, so I use the Mean Well 48v 10A PSU for about $100 to feed it. And a string of four 12v 52AH batteries. From: AF mailto:af-boun...@af.afmug.com> > On Behalf Of Jesse DuPont Sent: Thursday, November 21, 2019 4:02 PM To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group mailto:af@af.afmug.com> >; Matt mailto:matt.mailingli...@gmail.com> > Subject: Re: [AFMUG] 48 Volt Battery Revert This one is for 48V. It's not Meanwell and it's expensive, but it's functionally the same as the DR-UPS40, but for 48V. I imagine Meanwell OEMs this for RLH. https://www.fiberopticlink.com/product/48vdc-ups-battery-charge-controller-module/ Jesse DuPont Network Architect email: jesse.dup...@celeritycorp.net <mailto:jesse.dup...@celeritycorp.net> Celerity Networks LLC Celerity Broadband LLC Like us! facebook.com/celeritynetworksllc <http://facebook.com/celeritynetworksllc> Like us! facebook.com/celeritybroadband <http://facebook.com/celeritybroadband> On 11/21/19 10:37 AM, Matt wrote: We use Meanwell DIN mount stuff for battery revert. For 24 volt systems we use. DRP-240-24 - power supply DR-UPS40 - battery revert I want to move to 48 volt battery banks now instead of up converting 24 to 48. So what is a version of DR-UPS40 that is DIN mount and supports 48 volt? -- AF mailing list AF@af.afmug.com <mailto:AF@af.afmug.com> http://af.afmug.com/mailman/listinfo/af_af.afmug.com -- AF mailing list AF@af.afmug.com <mailto:AF@af.afmug.com> http://af.afmug.com/mailman/listinfo/af_af.afmug.com -- AF mailing list AF@af.afmug.com http://af.afmug.com/mailman/listinfo/af_af.afmug.com
Re: [AFMUG] 48 Volt Battery Revert
I think temperature compensation. BCM signals TSP to adjust voltage.
I assume the AC alarm comes through that link cable too.
On 11/22/2019 12:43 PM, Sterling Jacobson wrote:
What am I missing not using the TSP power supply and remote link?
*From:* AF *On Behalf Of * Matt
*Sent:* Friday, November 22, 2019 9:30 AM
*To:* AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group
*Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] 48 Volt Battery Revert
So what is the remote link for?
On Fri, Nov 22, 2019 at 7:56 AM Josh Baird <mailto:joshba...@gmail.com>> wrote:
So you're not taking advantage of one of the most compelling
reasons to use the TSP+BCM combo.
On Fri, Nov 22, 2019 at 8:51 AM Sterling Jacobson
mailto:sterl...@avative.net>> wrote:
I don’t use the remote link, or the TSP PS units.
*From:* AF mailto:af-boun...@af.afmug.com>> *On Behalf Of *Ken Hohhof
*Sent:* Thursday, November 21, 2019 6:17 PM
*To:* 'AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group' mailto:af@af.afmug.com>>
*Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] 48 Volt Battery Revert
I wouldn’t think the Mean Well power supply would be
compatible with the remote link on the BCM.
https://www.tracopower.com/products/tsp-bcm.pdf
I think the TSP-BCMU360 can be fed from any brand of power
supply, but it’s a different animal probably best for smallish
batteries.
*From:* AF mailto:af-boun...@af.afmug.com>> *On Behalf Of *Sterling Jacobson
*Sent:* Thursday, November 21, 2019 5:56 PM
*To:* AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group mailto:af@af.afmug.com>>
*Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] 48 Volt Battery Revert
I use the TSP-BCM48(A).
https://www.trcelectronics.com/View/TRACO-Power/TSP-BCM48.shtml
Around $170
Takes a 48v input, so I use the Mean Well 48v 10A PSU for
about $100 to feed it.
And a string of four 12v 52AH batteries.
*From:* AF mailto:af-boun...@af.afmug.com>> *On Behalf Of *Jesse DuPont
*Sent:* Thursday, November 21, 2019 4:02 PM
*To:* AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group mailto:af@af.afmug.com>>; Matt mailto:matt.mailingli...@gmail.com>>
*Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] 48 Volt Battery Revert
This one is for 48V. It's not Meanwell and it's expensive, but
it's functionally the same as the DR-UPS40, but for 48V. I
imagine Meanwell OEMs this for RLH.
https://www.fiberopticlink.com/product/48vdc-ups-battery-charge-controller-module/
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On 11/21/19 10:37 AM, Matt wrote:
We use Meanwell DIN mount stuff for battery revert. For 24 volt
systems we use.
DRP-240-24 - power supply
DR-UPS40 - battery revert
I want to move to 48 volt battery banks now instead of up
converting 24 to 48.
So what is a version of DR-UPS40 that is DIN mount and supports 48
volt?
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Re: [AFMUG] 48 Volt Battery Revert
What am I missing not using the TSP power supply and remote link? From: AF On Behalf Of Matt Sent: Friday, November 22, 2019 9:30 AM To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group Subject: Re: [AFMUG] 48 Volt Battery Revert So what is the remote link for? On Fri, Nov 22, 2019 at 7:56 AM Josh Baird mailto:joshba...@gmail.com>> wrote: So you're not taking advantage of one of the most compelling reasons to use the TSP+BCM combo. On Fri, Nov 22, 2019 at 8:51 AM Sterling Jacobson mailto:sterl...@avative.net>> wrote: I don’t use the remote link, or the TSP PS units. From: AF mailto:af-boun...@af.afmug.com>> On Behalf Of Ken Hohhof Sent: Thursday, November 21, 2019 6:17 PM To: 'AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group' mailto:af@af.afmug.com>> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] 48 Volt Battery Revert I wouldn’t think the Mean Well power supply would be compatible with the remote link on the BCM. https://www.tracopower.com/products/tsp-bcm.pdf I think the TSP-BCMU360 can be fed from any brand of power supply, but it’s a different animal probably best for smallish batteries. From: AF mailto:af-boun...@af.afmug.com>> On Behalf Of Sterling Jacobson Sent: Thursday, November 21, 2019 5:56 PM To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group mailto:af@af.afmug.com>> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] 48 Volt Battery Revert I use the TSP-BCM48(A). https://www.trcelectronics.com/View/TRACO-Power/TSP-BCM48.shtml Around $170 Takes a 48v input, so I use the Mean Well 48v 10A PSU for about $100 to feed it. And a string of four 12v 52AH batteries. From: AF mailto:af-boun...@af.afmug.com>> On Behalf Of Jesse DuPont Sent: Thursday, November 21, 2019 4:02 PM To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group mailto:af@af.afmug.com>>; Matt mailto:matt.mailingli...@gmail.com>> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] 48 Volt Battery Revert This one is for 48V. It's not Meanwell and it's expensive, but it's functionally the same as the DR-UPS40, but for 48V. I imagine Meanwell OEMs this for RLH. https://www.fiberopticlink.com/product/48vdc-ups-battery-charge-controller-module/ Jesse DuPont Network Architect email: jesse.dup...@celeritycorp.net<mailto:jesse.dup...@celeritycorp.net> Celerity Networks LLC Celerity Broadband LLC Like us! facebook.com/celeritynetworksllc<http://facebook.com/celeritynetworksllc> [cid:image001.png@01D5A121.A87C0370] Like us! facebook.com/celeritybroadband<http://facebook.com/celeritybroadband> On 11/21/19 10:37 AM, Matt wrote: We use Meanwell DIN mount stuff for battery revert. For 24 volt systems we use. DRP-240-24 - power supply DR-UPS40 - battery revert I want to move to 48 volt battery banks now instead of up converting 24 to 48. So what is a version of DR-UPS40 that is DIN mount and supports 48 volt? -- AF mailing list AF@af.afmug.com<mailto:AF@af.afmug.com> http://af.afmug.com/mailman/listinfo/af_af.afmug.com -- AF mailing list AF@af.afmug.com<mailto:AF@af.afmug.com> http://af.afmug.com/mailman/listinfo/af_af.afmug.com -- AF mailing list AF@af.afmug.com http://af.afmug.com/mailman/listinfo/af_af.afmug.com
Re: [AFMUG] 48 Volt Battery Revert
So what is the remote link for? On Fri, Nov 22, 2019 at 7:56 AM Josh Baird wrote: > So you're not taking advantage of one of the most compelling reasons to > use the TSP+BCM combo. > > On Fri, Nov 22, 2019 at 8:51 AM Sterling Jacobson > wrote: > >> I don’t use the remote link, or the TSP PS units. >> >> >> >> *From:* AF *On Behalf Of * Ken Hohhof >> *Sent:* Thursday, November 21, 2019 6:17 PM >> *To:* 'AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group' >> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] 48 Volt Battery Revert >> >> >> >> I wouldn’t think the Mean Well power supply would be compatible with the >> remote link on the BCM. >> >> https://www.tracopower.com/products/tsp-bcm.pdf >> >> >> >> I think the TSP-BCMU360 can be fed from any brand of power supply, but >> it’s a different animal probably best for smallish batteries. >> >> >> >> *From:* AF *On Behalf Of *Sterling Jacobson >> *Sent:* Thursday, November 21, 2019 5:56 PM >> *To:* AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group >> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] 48 Volt Battery Revert >> >> >> >> I use the TSP-BCM48(A). >> >> >> >> https://www.trcelectronics.com/View/TRACO-Power/TSP-BCM48.shtml >> >> >> >> Around $170 >> >> >> >> Takes a 48v input, so I use the Mean Well 48v 10A PSU for about $100 to >> feed it. >> >> >> >> And a string of four 12v 52AH batteries. >> >> >> >> >> >> *From:* AF *On Behalf Of *Jesse DuPont >> *Sent:* Thursday, November 21, 2019 4:02 PM >> *To:* AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group ; Matt < >> matt.mailingli...@gmail.com> >> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] 48 Volt Battery Revert >> >> >> >> This one is for 48V. It's not Meanwell and it's expensive, but it's >> functionally the same as the DR-UPS40, but for 48V. I imagine Meanwell OEMs >> this for RLH. >> >> >> https://www.fiberopticlink.com/product/48vdc-ups-battery-charge-controller-module/ >> >> *Jesse DuPont* >> >> Network Architect >> email: jesse.dup...@celeritycorp.net >> Celerity Networks LLC >> >> Celerity Broadband LLC >> Like us! facebook.com/celeritynetworksllc >> >> Like us! facebook.com/celeritybroadband >> >> On 11/21/19 10:37 AM, Matt wrote: >> >> We use Meanwell DIN mount stuff for battery revert. For 24 volt systems we >> use. >> >> >> >> DRP-240-24 - power supply >> >> DR-UPS40 - battery revert >> >> >> >> I want to move to 48 volt battery banks now instead of up converting 24 to >> 48. >> >> >> >> So what is a version of DR-UPS40 that is DIN mount and supports 48 volt? >> >> >> >> >> -- >> AF mailing list >> AF@af.afmug.com >> http://af.afmug.com/mailman/listinfo/af_af.afmug.com >> > -- > AF mailing list > AF@af.afmug.com > http://af.afmug.com/mailman/listinfo/af_af.afmug.com > -- AF mailing list AF@af.afmug.com http://af.afmug.com/mailman/listinfo/af_af.afmug.com
Re: [AFMUG] 48 Volt Battery Revert
So you're not taking advantage of one of the most compelling reasons to use the TSP+BCM combo. On Fri, Nov 22, 2019 at 8:51 AM Sterling Jacobson wrote: > I don’t use the remote link, or the TSP PS units. > > > > *From:* AF *On Behalf Of * Ken Hohhof > *Sent:* Thursday, November 21, 2019 6:17 PM > *To:* 'AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group' > *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] 48 Volt Battery Revert > > > > I wouldn’t think the Mean Well power supply would be compatible with the > remote link on the BCM. > > https://www.tracopower.com/products/tsp-bcm.pdf > > > > I think the TSP-BCMU360 can be fed from any brand of power supply, but > it’s a different animal probably best for smallish batteries. > > > > *From:* AF *On Behalf Of *Sterling Jacobson > *Sent:* Thursday, November 21, 2019 5:56 PM > *To:* AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group > *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] 48 Volt Battery Revert > > > > I use the TSP-BCM48(A). > > > > https://www.trcelectronics.com/View/TRACO-Power/TSP-BCM48.shtml > > > > Around $170 > > > > Takes a 48v input, so I use the Mean Well 48v 10A PSU for about $100 to > feed it. > > > > And a string of four 12v 52AH batteries. > > > > > > *From:* AF *On Behalf Of *Jesse DuPont > *Sent:* Thursday, November 21, 2019 4:02 PM > *To:* AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group ; Matt < > matt.mailingli...@gmail.com> > *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] 48 Volt Battery Revert > > > > This one is for 48V. It's not Meanwell and it's expensive, but it's > functionally the same as the DR-UPS40, but for 48V. I imagine Meanwell OEMs > this for RLH. > > > https://www.fiberopticlink.com/product/48vdc-ups-battery-charge-controller-module/ > > *Jesse DuPont* > > Network Architect > email: jesse.dup...@celeritycorp.net > Celerity Networks LLC > > Celerity Broadband LLC > Like us! facebook.com/celeritynetworksllc > > Like us! facebook.com/celeritybroadband > > On 11/21/19 10:37 AM, Matt wrote: > > We use Meanwell DIN mount stuff for battery revert. For 24 volt systems we > use. > > > > DRP-240-24 - power supply > > DR-UPS40 - battery revert > > > > I want to move to 48 volt battery banks now instead of up converting 24 to 48. > > > > So what is a version of DR-UPS40 that is DIN mount and supports 48 volt? > > > > > -- > AF mailing list > AF@af.afmug.com > http://af.afmug.com/mailman/listinfo/af_af.afmug.com > -- AF mailing list AF@af.afmug.com http://af.afmug.com/mailman/listinfo/af_af.afmug.com
Re: [AFMUG] 48 Volt Battery Revert
I don’t use the remote link, or the TSP PS units. From: AF On Behalf Of Ken Hohhof Sent: Thursday, November 21, 2019 6:17 PM To: 'AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group' Subject: Re: [AFMUG] 48 Volt Battery Revert I wouldn’t think the Mean Well power supply would be compatible with the remote link on the BCM. https://www.tracopower.com/products/tsp-bcm.pdf I think the TSP-BCMU360 can be fed from any brand of power supply, but it’s a different animal probably best for smallish batteries. From: AF mailto:af-boun...@af.afmug.com>> On Behalf Of Sterling Jacobson Sent: Thursday, November 21, 2019 5:56 PM To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group mailto:af@af.afmug.com>> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] 48 Volt Battery Revert I use the TSP-BCM48(A). https://www.trcelectronics.com/View/TRACO-Power/TSP-BCM48.shtml Around $170 Takes a 48v input, so I use the Mean Well 48v 10A PSU for about $100 to feed it. And a string of four 12v 52AH batteries. From: AF mailto:af-boun...@af.afmug.com>> On Behalf Of Jesse DuPont Sent: Thursday, November 21, 2019 4:02 PM To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group mailto:af@af.afmug.com>>; Matt mailto:matt.mailingli...@gmail.com>> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] 48 Volt Battery Revert This one is for 48V. It's not Meanwell and it's expensive, but it's functionally the same as the DR-UPS40, but for 48V. I imagine Meanwell OEMs this for RLH. https://www.fiberopticlink.com/product/48vdc-ups-battery-charge-controller-module/ Jesse DuPont Network Architect email: jesse.dup...@celeritycorp.net<mailto:jesse.dup...@celeritycorp.net> Celerity Networks LLC Celerity Broadband LLC Like us! facebook.com/celeritynetworksllc [cid:image001.png@01D5A101.1779DFC0] Like us! facebook.com/celeritybroadband [X] On 11/21/19 10:37 AM, Matt wrote: We use Meanwell DIN mount stuff for battery revert. For 24 volt systems we use. DRP-240-24 - power supply DR-UPS40 - battery revert I want to move to 48 volt battery banks now instead of up converting 24 to 48. So what is a version of DR-UPS40 that is DIN mount and supports 48 volt? -- AF mailing list AF@af.afmug.com http://af.afmug.com/mailman/listinfo/af_af.afmug.com
Re: [AFMUG] 48 Volt Battery Revert
I wouldn’t think the Mean Well power supply would be compatible with the remote link on the BCM. https://www.tracopower.com/products/tsp-bcm.pdf I think the TSP-BCMU360 can be fed from any brand of power supply, but it’s a different animal probably best for smallish batteries. From: AF On Behalf Of Sterling Jacobson Sent: Thursday, November 21, 2019 5:56 PM To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group Subject: Re: [AFMUG] 48 Volt Battery Revert I use the TSP-BCM48(A). https://www.trcelectronics.com/View/TRACO-Power/TSP-BCM48.shtml Around $170 Takes a 48v input, so I use the Mean Well 48v 10A PSU for about $100 to feed it. And a string of four 12v 52AH batteries. From: AF mailto:af-boun...@af.afmug.com> > On Behalf Of Jesse DuPont Sent: Thursday, November 21, 2019 4:02 PM To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group mailto:af@af.afmug.com> >; Matt mailto:matt.mailingli...@gmail.com> > Subject: Re: [AFMUG] 48 Volt Battery Revert This one is for 48V. It's not Meanwell and it's expensive, but it's functionally the same as the DR-UPS40, but for 48V. I imagine Meanwell OEMs this for RLH. https://www.fiberopticlink.com/product/48vdc-ups-battery-charge-controller-module/ Jesse DuPont Network Architect email: jesse.dup...@celeritycorp.net <mailto:jesse.dup...@celeritycorp.net> Celerity Networks LLC Celerity Broadband LLC Like us! facebook.com/celeritynetworksllc Like us! facebook.com/celeritybroadband On 11/21/19 10:37 AM, Matt wrote: We use Meanwell DIN mount stuff for battery revert. For 24 volt systems we use. DRP-240-24 - power supply DR-UPS40 - battery revert I want to move to 48 volt battery banks now instead of up converting 24 to 48. So what is a version of DR-UPS40 that is DIN mount and supports 48 volt? -- AF mailing list AF@af.afmug.com http://af.afmug.com/mailman/listinfo/af_af.afmug.com
Re: [AFMUG] 48 Volt Battery Revert
I use the TSP-BCM48(A). https://www.trcelectronics.com/View/TRACO-Power/TSP-BCM48.shtml Around $170 Takes a 48v input, so I use the Mean Well 48v 10A PSU for about $100 to feed it. And a string of four 12v 52AH batteries. From: AF On Behalf Of Jesse DuPont Sent: Thursday, November 21, 2019 4:02 PM To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group ; Matt Subject: Re: [AFMUG] 48 Volt Battery Revert This one is for 48V. It's not Meanwell and it's expensive, but it's functionally the same as the DR-UPS40, but for 48V. I imagine Meanwell OEMs this for RLH. https://www.fiberopticlink.com/product/48vdc-ups-battery-charge-controller-module/ Jesse DuPont Network Architect email: jesse.dup...@celeritycorp.net<mailto:jesse.dup...@celeritycorp.net> Celerity Networks LLC Celerity Broadband LLC Like us! facebook.com/celeritynetworksllc [cid:image001.png@01D5A08C.86816430] Like us! facebook.com/celeritybroadband [X] On 11/21/19 10:37 AM, Matt wrote: We use Meanwell DIN mount stuff for battery revert. For 24 volt systems we use. DRP-240-24 - power supply DR-UPS40 - battery revert I want to move to 48 volt battery banks now instead of up converting 24 to 48. So what is a version of DR-UPS40 that is DIN mount and supports 48 volt? -- AF mailing list AF@af.afmug.com http://af.afmug.com/mailman/listinfo/af_af.afmug.com
Re: [AFMUG] 48 Volt Battery Revert
This one is for 48V. It's not Meanwell and it's expensive, but it's functionally the same as the DR-UPS40, but for 48V. I imagine Meanwell OEMs this for RLH. https://www.fiberopticlink.com/product/48vdc-ups-battery-charge-controller-module/ Jesse DuPont Network Architect email: jesse.dup...@celeritycorp.net Celerity Networks LLC Celerity Broadband LLC Like us! facebook.com/celeritynetworksllc Like us! facebook.com/celeritybroadband On 11/21/19 10:37 AM, Matt wrote: We use Meanwell DIN mount stuff for battery revert. For 24 volt systems we use. DRP-240-24 - power supply DR-UPS40 - battery revert I want to move to 48 volt battery banks now instead of up converting 24 to 48. So what is a version of DR-UPS40 that is DIN mount and supports 48 volt? -- AF mailing list AF@af.afmug.com http://af.afmug.com/mailman/listinfo/af_af.afmug.com
Re: [AFMUG] 48 Volt Battery Revert
We use a Traco TSP-BCM48. It requires a separate TSP series power supply, and controls the output of the power supply to the proper temperature compensated battery voltage. There are various sizes of power supplies like 90, 180 and 360 watts, we mostly use the TSP 148-360. There's also a 600 watt power supply and a larger version of the BCM, I think they add an A to the model number. We haven't had to go that far yet, at sites that use that much power we either have an Eltek DC system or an Alpha AC system. -Original Message- From: AF On Behalf Of Matt Sent: Thursday, November 21, 2019 11:37 AM To: af@af.afmug.com Subject: [AFMUG] 48 Volt Battery Revert We use Meanwell DIN mount stuff for battery revert. For 24 volt systems we use. DRP-240-24 - power supply DR-UPS40 - battery revert I want to move to 48 volt battery banks now instead of up converting 24 to 48. So what is a version of DR-UPS40 that is DIN mount and supports 48 volt? -- AF mailing list AF@af.afmug.com http://af.afmug.com/mailman/listinfo/af_af.afmug.com -- AF mailing list AF@af.afmug.com http://af.afmug.com/mailman/listinfo/af_af.afmug.com
Re: [AFMUG] 48 Volt Battery Revert
Last I checked there wasn't an equivalent 48V unit in Meanwell's product line. There's the AD-155C. That only goes to 155W. They also have a rack mount modular rectifier chassis. I don't think they had a -48V step in between little bitty AD-155C and the big unit. On 11/21/2019 12:37 PM, Matt wrote: We use Meanwell DIN mount stuff for battery revert. For 24 volt systems we use. DRP-240-24 - power supply DR-UPS40 - battery revert I want to move to 48 volt battery banks now instead of up converting 24 to 48. So what is a version of DR-UPS40 that is DIN mount and supports 48 volt? -- AF mailing list AF@af.afmug.com http://af.afmug.com/mailman/listinfo/af_af.afmug.com
Re: [AFMUG] 48 Volt Battery Revert
fyi you can find 48v 1u 'modular' shelfs on ebay from surplus telecom for $400 beats $2k+ for ICT although ICT is amazing and 0 failures for us in the field in 10 years speaks volumes :) On Fri, Jul 12, 2019 at 9:53 AM Jesse Dupont wrote: > No, that was for Matt. Sterling’s is in a different thread. > > Sent from my iPhone > > On Jul 12, 2019, at 10:41 AM, wrote: > > Nice but it will not help Sterling shave a few volts off. > > *From:* Jesse Dupont > *Sent:* Friday, July 12, 2019 10:06 AM > *To:* AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group > *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] 48 Volt Battery Revert > > This one: > > > https://www.fiberopticlink.com/product/48vdc-ups-battery-charge-controller-module/ > > Sent from my iPhone > > On Jul 12, 2019, at 8:17 AM, Matt wrote: > > What is everyone using for 48 volt battery revert? > > > We currently use this with our 24 volt sites with power sonic sealed > batteries and up convert to 48 for devices that require 48. > > https://www.meanwell.com/Upload/PDF/DR-UPS40/DR-UPS40-SPEC.PDF > > We now have way more devices that use 48 then 24 so would like to > switch to 48 volt battery banks. So I am asking for something like > the DR-UPS40 but for 48 volt battery banks preferable DIN rail mount. > > -- > AF mailing list > AF@af.afmug.com > http://af.afmug.com/mailman/listinfo/af_af.afmug.com > > -- > -- > AF mailing list > AF@af.afmug.com > http://af.afmug.com/mailman/listinfo/af_af.afmug.com > > -- > AF mailing list > AF@af.afmug.com > http://af.afmug.com/mailman/listinfo/af_af.afmug.com > > -- > AF mailing list > AF@af.afmug.com > http://af.afmug.com/mailman/listinfo/af_af.afmug.com > -- AF mailing list AF@af.afmug.com http://af.afmug.com/mailman/listinfo/af_af.afmug.com
Re: [AFMUG] 48 Volt Battery Revert
No, that was for Matt. Sterling’s is in a different thread. Sent from my iPhone > On Jul 12, 2019, at 10:41 AM, wrote: > > Nice but it will not help Sterling shave a few volts off. > > From: Jesse Dupont > Sent: Friday, July 12, 2019 10:06 AM > To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group > Subject: Re: [AFMUG] 48 Volt Battery Revert > > This one: > > https://www.fiberopticlink.com/product/48vdc-ups-battery-charge-controller-module/ > > Sent from my iPhone > >> On Jul 12, 2019, at 8:17 AM, Matt wrote: >> >>> What is everyone using for 48 volt battery revert? >> >> We currently use this with our 24 volt sites with power sonic sealed >> batteries and up convert to 48 for devices that require 48. >> >> https://www.meanwell.com/Upload/PDF/DR-UPS40/DR-UPS40-SPEC.PDF >> >> We now have way more devices that use 48 then 24 so would like to >> switch to 48 volt battery banks. So I am asking for something like >> the DR-UPS40 but for 48 volt battery banks preferable DIN rail mount. >> >> -- >> AF mailing list >> AF@af.afmug.com >> http://af.afmug.com/mailman/listinfo/af_af.afmug.com > > -- > AF mailing list > AF@af.afmug.com > http://af.afmug.com/mailman/listinfo/af_af.afmug.com > -- > AF mailing list > AF@af.afmug.com > http://af.afmug.com/mailman/listinfo/af_af.afmug.com -- AF mailing list AF@af.afmug.com http://af.afmug.com/mailman/listinfo/af_af.afmug.com
Re: [AFMUG] 48 Volt Battery Revert
Nice but it will not help Sterling shave a few volts off. From: Jesse Dupont Sent: Friday, July 12, 2019 10:06 AM To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group Subject: Re: [AFMUG] 48 Volt Battery Revert This one: https://www.fiberopticlink.com/product/48vdc-ups-battery-charge-controller-module/ Sent from my iPhone On Jul 12, 2019, at 8:17 AM, Matt wrote: What is everyone using for 48 volt battery revert? We currently use this with our 24 volt sites with power sonic sealed batteries and up convert to 48 for devices that require 48. https://www.meanwell.com/Upload/PDF/DR-UPS40/DR-UPS40-SPEC.PDF We now have way more devices that use 48 then 24 so would like to switch to 48 volt battery banks. So I am asking for something like the DR-UPS40 but for 48 volt battery banks preferable DIN rail mount. -- AF mailing list AF@af.afmug.com http://af.afmug.com/mailman/listinfo/af_af.afmug.com -- AF mailing list AF@af.afmug.com http://af.afmug.com/mailman/listinfo/af_af.afmug.com -- AF mailing list AF@af.afmug.com http://af.afmug.com/mailman/listinfo/af_af.afmug.com
Re: [AFMUG] 48 Volt Battery Revert
I currently like ICT modular power system. However, it's a 1RU unit with >15" depth, so if you need the small profile of DIN equipment then that's no help. You definitely need a real cabinet for that one. Alpha Cordex is good choice, but pricey. It's made for those "Alpha" cabinets that the cable companies install. Besides price, the other problem with Alpha is that they're Alpha. They want to design you a complete system and are not as interested in just selling you a single components. Have used the Traco TSP-600 and Traco BCM48A numerous times, but we've had a strangely high failure rate on the BCM's. Maybe that's just me. Meanwell AD-155C is simple, small, and cheap. As long as you don't need more than 155W that's an ok choice. I liked it for little micro-pop cabinets. -Adam We currently use this with our 24 volt sites with power sonic sealed batteries and up convert to 48 for devices that require 48. https://www.meanwell.com/Upload/PDF/DR-UPS40/DR-UPS40-SPEC.PDF We now have way more devices that use 48 then 24 so would like to switch to 48 volt battery banks. So I am asking for something like the DR-UPS40 but for 48 volt battery banks preferable DIN rail mount. -- AF mailing list AF@af.afmug.com http://af.afmug.com/mailman/listinfo/af_af.afmug.com
Re: [AFMUG] 48 Volt Battery Revert
This one: https://www.fiberopticlink.com/product/48vdc-ups-battery-charge-controller-module/ Sent from my iPhone On Jul 12, 2019, at 8:17 AM, Matt wrote: >> What is everyone using for 48 volt battery revert? > > We currently use this with our 24 volt sites with power sonic sealed > batteries and up convert to 48 for devices that require 48. > > https://www.meanwell.com/Upload/PDF/DR-UPS40/DR-UPS40-SPEC.PDF > > We now have way more devices that use 48 then 24 so would like to > switch to 48 volt battery banks. So I am asking for something like > the DR-UPS40 but for 48 volt battery banks preferable DIN rail mount. > > -- > AF mailing list > AF@af.afmug.com > http://af.afmug.com/mailman/listinfo/af_af.afmug.com -- AF mailing list AF@af.afmug.com http://af.afmug.com/mailman/listinfo/af_af.afmug.com
Re: [AFMUG] 48 Volt Battery Revert
> What is everyone using for 48 volt battery revert? We currently use this with our 24 volt sites with power sonic sealed batteries and up convert to 48 for devices that require 48. https://www.meanwell.com/Upload/PDF/DR-UPS40/DR-UPS40-SPEC.PDF We now have way more devices that use 48 then 24 so would like to switch to 48 volt battery banks. So I am asking for something like the DR-UPS40 but for 48 volt battery banks preferable DIN rail mount. -- AF mailing list AF@af.afmug.com http://af.afmug.com/mailman/listinfo/af_af.afmug.com
Re: [AFMUG] 48 Volt Battery Revert
Convert each battery to watt-hours, then you can just add them regardless of whether they are parallel or serial. bp On 7/12/2019 5:57 AM, Adam Moffett wrote: Right, in series you increase voltage, not amp-hours. In parallel you keep the voltage and increase the amp-hours. 16 x 10ah cells in series would take you up to 48v, but it's still 10ah. -- AF mailing list AF@af.afmug.com http://af.afmug.com/mailman/listinfo/af_af.afmug.com
Re: [AFMUG] 48 Volt Battery Revert
Right, in series you increase voltage, not amp-hours. In parallel you
keep the voltage and increase the amp-hours. 16 x 10ah cells in series
would take you up to 48v, but it's still 10ah.
I'm seeing 100ah cells on Amazon for around $100. Sixteen of those
would put me well over 2x the cost of a generic lead-acid battery, but
actually about on par with an AGM lead-acid battery or telecom batteries.
Are they really much better than lead-acid? The voltage ends up at 51.2
(vs 54 for lead-acid). Do you just trim your rectifier to a lower
voltage or do you have to buy special equipment?
P.S.: I too do not understand the term "Battery Revert" from the
original question.
On 7/11/2019 10:15 PM, TJ Trout wrote:
Your looking for Lithium Ion Polymer of LIFEPO4 Prismatic cells, 16s
or 16 in series gives you about 48v at 100ah. or 1600ah @ 4.2v (cell
voltage if 16parallel). Then you just need a bms ($50-100) for cell
voltage balancing, and if you don't have a LVD most of the higher
price bms ($100ish) include the LVD, I don't use the 18600 type cells
but those are a good option also and you can get little jigs that will
take 16 of them on one pcb and you can stick them with integrated bms,
and parallel function.
On Thu, Jul 11, 2019 at 6:47 PM Sterling Jacobson
mailto:sterl...@avative.net>> wrote:
Interesting, so on eprey I see an auction for a 16 pack of 38120S
LifePO4 battery cells with 3.2v 10ah each.
That would be about 51.2v and 160ah total? For about $400?
Or are you saying you found 100ah cells for only $75 shipped and
you have 1600ah total for $1200?
Not seeing those batteries on ebay for that low a cost for 100ah,
so I’m confused.
*From:* AF mailto:af-boun...@af.afmug.com>> *On Behalf Of * TJ Trout
*Sent:* Thursday, July 11, 2019 7:16 PM
*To:* AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group mailto:af@af.afmug.com>>
*Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] 48 Volt Battery Revert
What is a revert? We are using LifePO4 cells from ebay, 100ah
cells for $75 in a 16x configuration, works out to about $1350
with the batt management system and they should last my lifetime
On Thu, Jul 11, 2019 at 3:26 PM Matt mailto:matt.mailingli...@gmail.com>> wrote:
What is everyone using for 48 volt battery revert?
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Re: [AFMUG] 48 Volt Battery Revert
Your looking for Lithium Ion Polymer of LIFEPO4 Prismatic cells, 16s or 16 in series gives you about 48v at 100ah. or 1600ah @ 4.2v (cell voltage if 16parallel). Then you just need a bms ($50-100) for cell voltage balancing, and if you don't have a LVD most of the higher price bms ($100ish) include the LVD, I don't use the 18600 type cells but those are a good option also and you can get little jigs that will take 16 of them on one pcb and you can stick them with integrated bms, and parallel function. On Thu, Jul 11, 2019 at 6:47 PM Sterling Jacobson wrote: > Interesting, so on eprey I see an auction for a 16 pack of 38120S LifePO4 > battery cells with 3.2v 10ah each. > > > > That would be about 51.2v and 160ah total? For about $400? > > > > Or are you saying you found 100ah cells for only $75 shipped and you have > 1600ah total for $1200? > > > > Not seeing those batteries on ebay for that low a cost for 100ah, so I’m > confused. > > > > *From:* AF *On Behalf Of * TJ Trout > *Sent:* Thursday, July 11, 2019 7:16 PM > *To:* AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group > *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] 48 Volt Battery Revert > > > > What is a revert? We are using LifePO4 cells from ebay, 100ah cells for > $75 in a 16x configuration, works out to about $1350 with the batt > management system and they should last my lifetime > > > > On Thu, Jul 11, 2019 at 3:26 PM Matt wrote: > > What is everyone using for 48 volt battery revert? > > -- > AF mailing list > AF@af.afmug.com > http://af.afmug.com/mailman/listinfo/af_af.afmug.com > > -- > AF mailing list > AF@af.afmug.com > http://af.afmug.com/mailman/listinfo/af_af.afmug.com > -- AF mailing list AF@af.afmug.com http://af.afmug.com/mailman/listinfo/af_af.afmug.com
Re: [AFMUG] 48 Volt Battery Revert
Interesting, so on eprey I see an auction for a 16 pack of 38120S LifePO4 battery cells with 3.2v 10ah each. That would be about 51.2v and 160ah total? For about $400? Or are you saying you found 100ah cells for only $75 shipped and you have 1600ah total for $1200? Not seeing those batteries on ebay for that low a cost for 100ah, so I’m confused. From: AF On Behalf Of TJ Trout Sent: Thursday, July 11, 2019 7:16 PM To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group Subject: Re: [AFMUG] 48 Volt Battery Revert What is a revert? We are using LifePO4 cells from ebay, 100ah cells for $75 in a 16x configuration, works out to about $1350 with the batt management system and they should last my lifetime On Thu, Jul 11, 2019 at 3:26 PM Matt mailto:matt.mailingli...@gmail.com>> wrote: What is everyone using for 48 volt battery revert? -- AF mailing list AF@af.afmug.com<mailto:AF@af.afmug.com> http://af.afmug.com/mailman/listinfo/af_af.afmug.com -- AF mailing list AF@af.afmug.com http://af.afmug.com/mailman/listinfo/af_af.afmug.com
Re: [AFMUG] 48 Volt Battery Revert
What is a revert? We are using LifePO4 cells from ebay, 100ah cells for $75 in a 16x configuration, works out to about $1350 with the batt management system and they should last my lifetime On Thu, Jul 11, 2019 at 3:26 PM Matt wrote: > What is everyone using for 48 volt battery revert? > > -- > AF mailing list > AF@af.afmug.com > http://af.afmug.com/mailman/listinfo/af_af.afmug.com > -- AF mailing list AF@af.afmug.com http://af.afmug.com/mailman/listinfo/af_af.afmug.com
