Re: [AFMUG] AF subscription notification

[Ben Royer]

Don’t know, somehow got kicked for bounces.  Always have been here but went to 
share links to my recent YouTube posts and noticed I couldn’t.

Thank you,
Ben Royer, Operations Manager
Royell Communications, Inc.
217-965-3699 www.royell.net

From: Ryan Hill 
Sent: Monday, January 21, 2019 1:47 PM
To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] AF subscription notification

Whats up Ben?   Welcome 





  
 Ryan Hill 
   Operations Manager
 Amplex Internet
  (419)837-5015 Ext 1047 
  www.amplex.net








  On Jan 21, 2019, at 2:44 PM, Ben Royer  wrote:

  Yep, looks good, thanks Chuck.

  Thank you,
  Ben Royer, Operations Manager
  Royell Communications, Inc.
  217-965-3699 www.royell.net


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  Ben, you here now?

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Re: [AFMUG] AF subscription notification

[Ben Royer]

Yep, looks good, thanks Chuck.

Thank you,
Ben Royer, Operations Manager
Royell Communications, Inc.
217-965-3699 www.royell.net


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Ben, you here now?

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Re: [AFMUG] AF subscription notification

[Steve Jones]

no

On Mon, Nov 19, 2018 at 11:49 AM Larry Smith  wrote:

> Morning Cory, say hi to Steve Rawlston.
> Welcome to AF.
>
> --
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> lesm...@ecsis.net
>
> On Mon November 19 2018 11:31, Cory Polman wrote:
> > Thanks!  Anything I can do to help out…just let me know!
> >
> > Cory
> >
> > Cory Polman-Calix
> > 612-360-1426-Cell
> > cory.pol...@calix.com
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > From: AF  On Behalf Of Mike Hammett
> > Sent: Monday, November 19, 2018 11:30 AM
> > To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group 
> > Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Fw: AF subscription notification
> >
> > *waves*
> >
> >
> > -
> > Mike Hammett
> > Intelligent Computing Solutions
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> > From: ch...@wbmfg.com
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> > Sent: Monday, November 19, 2018 11:27:57 AM
> > Subject: [AFMUG] Fw: AF subscription notification
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> > So, Calix is now in the house...
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> > Sent: Monday, November 19, 2018 10:27 AM
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Re: [AFMUG] AF subscription notification

[Larry Smith]

Morning Cory, say hi to Steve Rawlston.
Welcome to AF.

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On Mon November 19 2018 11:31, Cory Polman wrote:
> Thanks!  Anything I can do to help out…just let me know!
>
> Cory
>
> Cory Polman-Calix
> 612-360-1426-Cell
> cory.pol...@calix.com
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> From: AF  On Behalf Of Mike Hammett
> Sent: Monday, November 19, 2018 11:30 AM
> To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group 
> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Fw: AF subscription notification
>
> *waves*
>
>
> -
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> From: ch...@wbmfg.com
> To: af@af.afmug.com
> Sent: Monday, November 19, 2018 11:27:57 AM
> Subject: [AFMUG] Fw: AF subscription notification
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> So, Calix is now in the house...
>
> -Original Message-
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Re: [AFMUG] AF subscription notification

[Cory Polman]

Thanks!  Anything I can do to help out…just let me know!

Cory

Cory Polman-Calix
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*waves*


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Subject: [AFMUG] Fw: AF subscription notification

So, Calix is now in the house...

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Re: [AFMUG] AF subscription notification

[Steve Jones]

You can get a Ford in any color you want as long as it's black

On Mon, Sep 17, 2018, 4:38 PM Sean Heskett  wrote:

> Being as Ubiquiti has decided to go down the frivolous lawsuit path as
> their business model i've decided to never use any Ubiquiti products or
> services in my business model.
>
> The only way for me to change my business model to include Ubiquiti would
> be for them to change their business model.
>
> Suing your customers and inflicting our industry with harm puts you
> outside of my vendor list.
>
> Also saying "but if you want to talk about products or anything other than
> the lawsuit, feel free to reach out to me privately." is kind of like Ford
> in the 1970's saying "if you want to talk about anything else besides
> exploding Pintos, feel free to reach out to me privately."  The lawsuit is
> both a symptom and a cause to problems at Ubiquiti and you can't just brush
> the elephant in the room under the rug.
>
> 2 cents
>
> -Sean
>
>
>
>
> On Mon, Sep 17, 2018 at 9:28 AM Cameron Crum  wrote:
>
>> In the interest of full disclosure, for those that don't know, and given
>> the current environment, when I joined the group I had my own company
>> (still do, just not doing much with it currently), but now also work for
>> ubnt although I am not here to shill for them nor will I involve myself in
>> discussions about them unless I see something grossly in error. I would
>> actually rather keep that side of things separate from this group as I
>> value the relationships here above any employment scenario. My job at ubnt
>> is actually to engage with operators and try to find a better way to create
>> and maintain relationships with them. I hope to take all the past failures
>> and criticisms and present them with a plan on how to be better at that
>> side of things. I actually prefer to hear the bad stuff as that is what I
>> can use to help change things, hopefully. I don't want this to turn into a
>> discussion about the company, but if you want to talk about products or
>> anything other than the lawsuit, feel free to reach out to me privately. I
>> just don't want to seem like the enemy lurker.
>>
>> Best,
>>
>> Cameron
>>
>> On Mon, Sep 17, 2018 at 10:11 AM, Bill Prince 
>> wrote:
>>
>>> Likewise. I hope that he is lurking in incognito mode at least.
>>>
>>>
>>> bp
>>> 
>>>
>>>
>>> On 9/15/2018 8:44 AM, Jason McKemie wrote:
>>>
>>> Yes, he is missed.
>>>
>>> On Saturday, September 15, 2018,  wrote:
>>>
>>>> Harass, welcome.
>>>> I hope for the day to see Ken Hohof show up.
>>>>
>>>> *From:* Mathew Howard
>>>> *Sent:* Friday, September 14, 2018 5:58 PM
>>>> *To:* AFMUG
>>>> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] AF subscription notification
>>>>
>>>> Well, it would only be new lurkers that would get outed, I assume...
>>>> but yeah, if all we're seeing is an email address, that can be pretty
>>>> anonymous anyway.
>>>>
>>>> I'm not sure what good it would really do us though...  other than give
>>>> us an opportunity to harass new people.
>>>>
>>>> On Fri, Sep 14, 2018 at 4:11 PM  wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> Probably best to not out the lurkers.  There are about 500 list
>>>>> members but only about 10% post.
>>>>>
>>>>> *From:* Mathew Howard
>>>>> *Sent:* Friday, September 14, 2018 3:03 PM
>>>>> *To:* AFMUG
>>>>> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] AF subscription notification
>>>>>
>>>>> I assume most of the subscribers to this list never actually post
>>>>> anything. It might be kind of interesting to see who's watching us...
>>>>>
>>>>> I imagine there are some people that wouldn't like it, but if they
>>>>> aren't going to every post anything anyway, do we care?
>>>>>
>>>>> On Fri, Sep 14, 2018 at 3:52 PM David Coudron <
>>>>> david.coud...@advantenon.com> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>> I think enough information is shared feely in this group to warrant
>>>>>> folks being identified as recipients of the information.   If I were
>>>>>> signing up, I don’t think it would be unreasonable to be identified as
>>>>>> being a part of the list given the value of the discussions on the list.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>

Re: [AFMUG] AF subscription notification

[Robert]

Hmmm, where we like to locate gear typically finds winds into 70-80 mph. 
  Wind does really interesting things to water at those speeds..


On 9/17/18 5:13 PM, Bill Prince wrote:
Wind & rain can go "up" in hurricanes and other high wind/rain 
conditions. Especially if you're at the top of a hill or mountain.


We have that all the time around here, even without hurricanes.


bp


On 9/17/2018 5:03 PM, Matt Hoppes wrote:
How does water enter the unit through the Ethernet port?  The Ethernet 
port is about the lowest part of the unit and would require water to 
flow upwards.


On Sep 17, 2018, at 16:53, Mike Meluskey <mailto:m...@broadband.vi>> wrote:



Water entering the units, primarily through the Ethernet ports.
$5 worth of gasket material would have engineered it correctly.

On 17 Sep 2018, at 19:43, Mike Hammett wrote:

What kind of failures?



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<https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCXSdfxQv7SpoRQYNyLwntZg>

*From: *"Mike Meluskey" mailto:m...@broadband.vi>>
*To: *"AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group" mailto:af@af.afmug.com>>
*Sent: *Monday, September 17, 2018 6:34:13 PM
*Subject: *Re: [AFMUG] AF subscription notification

I was one of Ubiquiti’s first customers, their SR wireless cards
that
plugged into MT RB532.
The lawsuit combined with the AF24’s 95% failure rate in the
Hurricanes (compared to the 0% failure of Ceragon IP-20 and 5%
Cambium
450m) have put Ubiquiti on our former vendor list.

On 17 Sep 2018, at 18:14, Robert Andrews wrote:

> +100
>
> On 09/17/2018 02:36 PM, Sean Heskett wrote:
>> Being as Ubiquiti has decided to go down the frivolous lawsuit
path
>> as their business model i've decided to never use any Ubiquiti
>> products or services in my business model.
>>
>> The only way for me to change my business model to include
Ubiquiti
>> would be for them to change their business model.
>>
>> Suing your customers and inflicting our industry with harm
puts you
>> outside of my vendor list.
>>
>> Also saying "but if you want to talk about products or
anything other
>> than the lawsuit, feel free to reach out to me privately." is
kind of
>> like Ford in the 1970's saying "if you want to talk about
anything
>> else besides exploding Pintos, feel free to reach out to me
>> privately."  The lawsuit is both a symptom and a cause to
problems at
>> Ubiquiti and you can't just brush the elephant in the room
under the
>> rug.
>>
>> 2 cents
>>
>> -Sean
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> On Mon, Sep 17, 2018 at 9:28 AM Cameron Crum
mailto:cc...@murcevilo.com>
>> <mailto:cc...@murcevilo.com>> wrote:
>>
>>     In the interest of full disclosure, for those that don't
know,
>> and
>>     given the current environment, when I joined the group I
had my
>> own
>>     company (still do, just not doing much with it currently),
but
>> now
>>     also work for ubnt although I am not here to shill for
them nor
>> will
>>     I involve myself in discussions about them unless I see
something
>>     grossly in error. I would actually rather keep that side of
>> things
>>     separate from this group as I value the relationships here
above
>> any
>>     employment scenario. My job at ubnt is actually to engage with
>>     operators and try to find a better way to create and maintain
>>     relationships with them. I hope to take all the past
failures and
>>     criticisms and present them with a plan on how to be
better at
>> that
>>     side of things. I actually prefer to hear the bad stuff as
that
>> is
>>     what I can use to help change things, hopefully. I don't want
>> this
  

Re: [AFMUG] AF subscription notification

[Bill Prince]

  
  
Wind & rain can go "up" in hurricanes and other high
  wind/rain conditions. Especially if you're at the top of a hill or
  mountain.
We have that all the time around here, even without hurricanes.


bp



On 9/17/2018 5:03 PM, Matt Hoppes
  wrote:


  
  How does water enter the unit through the Ethernet port?  The
Ethernet port is about the lowest part of the unit and would
require water to flow upwards. 
  
On Sep 17, 2018, at 16:53, Mike Meluskey <m...@broadband.vi>
wrote:

  
  

  
  

  Water entering the units, primarily through
the Ethernet ports.
$5 worth of gasket material would have engineered it
correctly.
  On 17 Sep 2018, at 19:43, Mike Hammett
wrote:


  
What kind of
  failures?
  
  

-
Mike Hammett
Intelligent
  Computing Solutions

Midwest Internet
  Exchange

The Brothers WISP

  
  

  
  
  From:
"Mike Meluskey" <m...@broadband.vi>
To: "AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group" <af@af.afmug.com>
Sent: Monday, September 17, 2018 6:34:13 PM
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] AF subscription
notification

I was one of Ubiquiti’s first customers, their SR
wireless cards that 
plugged into MT RB532.
The lawsuit combined with the AF24’s 95% failure
rate in the 
Hurricanes (compared to the 0% failure of Ceragon
IP-20 and 5% Cambium 
450m) have put Ubiquiti on our former vendor list.

On 17 Sep 2018, at 18:14, Robert Andrews wrote:

> +100
>
> On 09/17/2018 02:36 PM, Sean Heskett wrote:
>> Being as Ubiquiti has decided to go down
the frivolous lawsuit path 
>> as their business model i've decided to
never use any Ubiquiti 
>> products or services in my business model.
>>
>> The only way for me to change my business
model to include Ubiquiti 
>> would be for them to change their business
model.
>>
>> Suing your customers and inflicting our
industry with harm puts you 
>> outside of my vendor list.
>>
>> Also saying "but if you want to talk about
products or anything other 
>> than the lawsuit, feel free to reach out to
me privately." is kind of 
>> like Ford in the 1970's saying "if you want
to talk about anything 
>> else besides exploding Pintos, feel free to
reach out to me 
>> privately."  The lawsuit is both a symptom
and a cause to problems at 
>> Ubiquiti and you can't just brush the
elephant in the room under the 
>> rug.
>>
>> 2 cents
>>
>> -Sean
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> On Mon, Sep 17, 2018 at 9:28 AM Cameron
Crum <cc...@murcevilo.com 
>> <mailto:cc...@murcevilo.com>>
wrote:
>>
>>     In the interest of full disclosure, for
those that don't know, 
>> and
>>     given the current environment, when I
joined the group I had my 
>> own
>>     company (still do, just not doing much
with it curre

Re: [AFMUG] AF subscription notification

[Mathew Howard]

I imagine that during a hurricane, water basically does flow upwards. I
wonder if that's the reason why UBNT is including that extra gasket
doohickey with the AF-5xHD...

On Mon, Sep 17, 2018 at 7:05 PM Matt Hoppes <
mattli...@rivervalleyinternet.net> wrote:

> How does water enter the unit through the Ethernet port?  The Ethernet
> port is about the lowest part of the unit and would require water to flow
> upwards.
>
> On Sep 17, 2018, at 16:53, Mike Meluskey  wrote:
>
> Water entering the units, primarily through the Ethernet ports.
> $5 worth of gasket material would have engineered it correctly.
>
> On 17 Sep 2018, at 19:43, Mike Hammett wrote:
>
> What kind of failures?
>
>
>
> -
> Mike Hammett
> Intelligent Computing Solutions <http://www.ics-il.com/>
> <https://www.facebook.com/ICSIL>
> <https://plus.google.com/+IntelligentComputingSolutionsDeKalb>
> <https://www.linkedin.com/company/intelligent-computing-solutions>
> <https://twitter.com/ICSIL>
> Midwest Internet Exchange <http://www.midwest-ix.com/>
> <https://www.facebook.com/mdwestix>
> <https://www.linkedin.com/company/midwest-internet-exchange>
> <https://twitter.com/mdwestix>
> The Brothers WISP <http://www.thebrotherswisp.com/>
> <https://www.facebook.com/thebrotherswisp>
>
>
> <https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCXSdfxQv7SpoRQYNyLwntZg>
> ------
> *From: *"Mike Meluskey" 
> *To: *"AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group" 
> *Sent: *Monday, September 17, 2018 6:34:13 PM
> *Subject: *Re: [AFMUG] AF subscription notification
>
> I was one of Ubiquiti’s first customers, their SR wireless cards that
> plugged into MT RB532.
> The lawsuit combined with the AF24’s 95% failure rate in the
> Hurricanes (compared to the 0% failure of Ceragon IP-20 and 5% Cambium
> 450m) have put Ubiquiti on our former vendor list.
>
> On 17 Sep 2018, at 18:14, Robert Andrews wrote:
>
> > +100
> >
> > On 09/17/2018 02:36 PM, Sean Heskett wrote:
> >> Being as Ubiquiti has decided to go down the frivolous lawsuit path
> >> as their business model i've decided to never use any Ubiquiti
> >> products or services in my business model.
> >>
> >> The only way for me to change my business model to include Ubiquiti
> >> would be for them to change their business model.
> >>
> >> Suing your customers and inflicting our industry with harm puts you
> >> outside of my vendor list.
> >>
> >> Also saying "but if you want to talk about products or anything other
> >> than the lawsuit, feel free to reach out to me privately." is kind of
> >> like Ford in the 1970's saying "if you want to talk about anything
> >> else besides exploding Pintos, feel free to reach out to me
> >> privately."  The lawsuit is both a symptom and a cause to problems at
> >> Ubiquiti and you can't just brush the elephant in the room under the
> >> rug.
> >>
> >> 2 cents
> >>
> >> -Sean
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >> On Mon, Sep 17, 2018 at 9:28 AM Cameron Crum  >> <mailto:cc...@murcevilo.com >> wrote:
> >>
> >> In the interest of full disclosure, for those that don't know,
> >> and
> >> given the current environment, when I joined the group I had my
> >> own
> >> company (still do, just not doing much with it currently), but
> >> now
> >> also work for ubnt although I am not here to shill for them nor
> >> will
> >> I involve myself in discussions about them unless I see something
> >> grossly in error. I would actually rather keep that side of
> >> things
> >> separate from this group as I value the relationships here above
> >> any
> >> employment scenario. My job at ubnt is actually to engage with
> >> operators and try to find a better way to create and maintain
> >> relationships with them. I hope to take all the past failures and
> >> criticisms and present them with a plan on how to be better at
> >> that
> >> side of things. I actually prefer to hear the bad stuff as that
> >> is
> >> what I can use to help change things, hopefully. I don't want
> >> this
> >> to turn into a discussion about the company, but if you want to
> >> talk
> >> about products or anything other than the lawsuit, feel free to
> >> reach out to me privately. I just don't want to seem like the
> 

Re: [AFMUG] AF subscription notification

[Lewis Bergman]

I think there were some high winds. Once hgh winds gets into the structure
all kinds of funny things happen.

On Mon, Sep 17, 2018 at 7:05 PM Matt Hoppes <
mattli...@rivervalleyinternet.net> wrote:

> How does water enter the unit through the Ethernet port?  The Ethernet
> port is about the lowest part of the unit and would require water to flow
> upwards.
>
> On Sep 17, 2018, at 16:53, Mike Meluskey  wrote:
>
> Water entering the units, primarily through the Ethernet ports.
> $5 worth of gasket material would have engineered it correctly.
>
> On 17 Sep 2018, at 19:43, Mike Hammett wrote:
>
> What kind of failures?
>
>
>
> -
> Mike Hammett
> Intelligent Computing Solutions <http://www.ics-il.com/>
> <https://www.facebook.com/ICSIL>
> <https://plus.google.com/+IntelligentComputingSolutionsDeKalb>
> <https://www.linkedin.com/company/intelligent-computing-solutions>
> <https://twitter.com/ICSIL>
> Midwest Internet Exchange <http://www.midwest-ix.com/>
> <https://www.facebook.com/mdwestix>
> <https://www.linkedin.com/company/midwest-internet-exchange>
> <https://twitter.com/mdwestix>
> The Brothers WISP <http://www.thebrotherswisp.com/>
> <https://www.facebook.com/thebrotherswisp>
>
>
> <https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCXSdfxQv7SpoRQYNyLwntZg>
> ------
> *From: *"Mike Meluskey" 
> *To: *"AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group" 
> *Sent: *Monday, September 17, 2018 6:34:13 PM
> *Subject: *Re: [AFMUG] AF subscription notification
>
> I was one of Ubiquiti’s first customers, their SR wireless cards that
> plugged into MT RB532.
> The lawsuit combined with the AF24’s 95% failure rate in the
> Hurricanes (compared to the 0% failure of Ceragon IP-20 and 5% Cambium
> 450m) have put Ubiquiti on our former vendor list.
>
> On 17 Sep 2018, at 18:14, Robert Andrews wrote:
>
> > +100
> >
> > On 09/17/2018 02:36 PM, Sean Heskett wrote:
> >> Being as Ubiquiti has decided to go down the frivolous lawsuit path
> >> as their business model i've decided to never use any Ubiquiti
> >> products or services in my business model.
> >>
> >> The only way for me to change my business model to include Ubiquiti
> >> would be for them to change their business model.
> >>
> >> Suing your customers and inflicting our industry with harm puts you
> >> outside of my vendor list.
> >>
> >> Also saying "but if you want to talk about products or anything other
> >> than the lawsuit, feel free to reach out to me privately." is kind of
> >> like Ford in the 1970's saying "if you want to talk about anything
> >> else besides exploding Pintos, feel free to reach out to me
> >> privately."  The lawsuit is both a symptom and a cause to problems at
> >> Ubiquiti and you can't just brush the elephant in the room under the
> >> rug.
> >>
> >> 2 cents
> >>
> >> -Sean
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >> On Mon, Sep 17, 2018 at 9:28 AM Cameron Crum  >> <mailto:cc...@murcevilo.com >> wrote:
> >>
> >> In the interest of full disclosure, for those that don't know,
> >> and
> >> given the current environment, when I joined the group I had my
> >> own
> >> company (still do, just not doing much with it currently), but
> >> now
> >> also work for ubnt although I am not here to shill for them nor
> >> will
> >> I involve myself in discussions about them unless I see something
> >> grossly in error. I would actually rather keep that side of
> >> things
> >> separate from this group as I value the relationships here above
> >> any
> >> employment scenario. My job at ubnt is actually to engage with
> >> operators and try to find a better way to create and maintain
> >> relationships with them. I hope to take all the past failures and
> >> criticisms and present them with a plan on how to be better at
> >> that
> >> side of things. I actually prefer to hear the bad stuff as that
> >> is
> >> what I can use to help change things, hopefully. I don't want
> >> this
> >> to turn into a discussion about the company, but if you want to
> >> talk
> >> about products or anything other than the lawsuit, feel free to
> >> reach out to me privately. I just don't want to seem like the
> >> enemy
> >> lurker.
> >>
> &

Re: [AFMUG] AF subscription notification

[Matt Hoppes]

How does water enter the unit through the Ethernet port?  The Ethernet port is 
about the lowest part of the unit and would require water to flow upwards. 

> On Sep 17, 2018, at 16:53, Mike Meluskey  wrote:
> 
> Water entering the units, primarily through the Ethernet ports.
> $5 worth of gasket material would have engineered it correctly.
> 
> On 17 Sep 2018, at 19:43, Mike Hammett wrote:
> 
> What kind of failures?
> 
> 
> 
> -
> Mike Hammett
> Intelligent Computing Solutions
> 
> Midwest Internet Exchange
> 
> The Brothers WISP
> 
> 
> 
> 
> From: "Mike Meluskey" 
> To: "AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group" 
> Sent: Monday, September 17, 2018 6:34:13 PM
> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] AF subscription notification
> 
> I was one of Ubiquiti’s first customers, their SR wireless cards that 
> plugged into MT RB532.
> The lawsuit combined with the AF24’s 95% failure rate in the 
> Hurricanes (compared to the 0% failure of Ceragon IP-20 and 5% Cambium 
> 450m) have put Ubiquiti on our former vendor list.
> 
> On 17 Sep 2018, at 18:14, Robert Andrews wrote:
> 
> > +100
> >
> > On 09/17/2018 02:36 PM, Sean Heskett wrote:
> >> Being as Ubiquiti has decided to go down the frivolous lawsuit path 
> >> as their business model i've decided to never use any Ubiquiti 
> >> products or services in my business model.
> >>
> >> The only way for me to change my business model to include Ubiquiti 
> >> would be for them to change their business model.
> >>
> >> Suing your customers and inflicting our industry with harm puts you 
> >> outside of my vendor list.
> >>
> >> Also saying "but if you want to talk about products or anything other 
> >> than the lawsuit, feel free to reach out to me privately." is kind of 
> >> like Ford in the 1970's saying "if you want to talk about anything 
> >> else besides exploding Pintos, feel free to reach out to me 
> >> privately."  The lawsuit is both a symptom and a cause to problems at 
> >> Ubiquiti and you can't just brush the elephant in the room under the 
> >> rug.
> >>
> >> 2 cents
> >>
> >> -Sean
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >> On Mon, Sep 17, 2018 at 9:28 AM Cameron Crum  >> <mailto:cc...@murcevilo.com>> wrote:
> >>
> >> In the interest of full disclosure, for those that don't know, 
> >> and
> >> given the current environment, when I joined the group I had my 
> >> own
> >> company (still do, just not doing much with it currently), but 
> >> now
> >> also work for ubnt although I am not here to shill for them nor 
> >> will
> >> I involve myself in discussions about them unless I see something
> >> grossly in error. I would actually rather keep that side of 
> >> things
> >> separate from this group as I value the relationships here above 
> >> any
> >> employment scenario. My job at ubnt is actually to engage with
> >> operators and try to find a better way to create and maintain
> >> relationships with them. I hope to take all the past failures and
> >> criticisms and present them with a plan on how to be better at 
> >> that
> >> side of things. I actually prefer to hear the bad stuff as that 
> >> is
> >> what I can use to help change things, hopefully. I don't want 
> >> this
> >> to turn into a discussion about the company, but if you want to 
> >> talk
> >> about products or anything other than the lawsuit, feel free to
> >> reach out to me privately. I just don't want to seem like the 
> >> enemy
> >> lurker.
> >>
> >> Best,
> >>
> >>     Cameron
> >>
> >> On Mon, Sep 17, 2018 at 10:11 AM, Bill Prince 
> >>  >> <mailto:part15...@gmail.com>> wrote:
> >>
> >> Likewise. I hope that he is lurking in incognito mode at 
> >> least.
> >>
> >>
> >> bp
> >> 
> >>
> >> On 9/15/2018 8:44 AM, Jason McKemie wrote:
> >>> Yes, he is missed.
> >>>
> >>> On Saturday, September 15, 2018,  >>> <mailto:ch...@wbmfg.com>> wrote:
> >>>
> >>> Harass, welcome.
> >>> I hope for the day to see Ken Hohof show up.
> >>>

Re: [AFMUG] AF subscription notification

[Mike Meluskey]

Water entering the units, primarily through the Ethernet ports.
$5 worth of gasket material would have engineered it correctly.

On 17 Sep 2018, at 19:43, Mike Hammett wrote:

> What kind of failures?
>
>
>
>
> -
> Mike Hammett
> Intelligent Computing Solutions
>
> Midwest Internet Exchange
>
> The Brothers WISP
>
>
>
>
> - Original Message -
>
> From: "Mike Meluskey" 
> To: "AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group" 
> Sent: Monday, September 17, 2018 6:34:13 PM
> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] AF subscription notification
>
> I was one of Ubiquiti’s first customers, their SR wireless cards that
> plugged into MT RB532.
> The lawsuit combined with the AF24’s 95% failure rate in the
> Hurricanes (compared to the 0% failure of Ceragon IP-20 and 5% Cambium
> 450m) have put Ubiquiti on our former vendor list.
>
> On 17 Sep 2018, at 18:14, Robert Andrews wrote:
>
>> +100
>>
>> On 09/17/2018 02:36 PM, Sean Heskett wrote:
>>> Being as Ubiquiti has decided to go down the frivolous lawsuit path
>>> as their business model i've decided to never use any Ubiquiti
>>> products or services in my business model.
>>>
>>> The only way for me to change my business model to include Ubiquiti
>>> would be for them to change their business model.
>>>
>>> Suing your customers and inflicting our industry with harm puts you
>>> outside of my vendor list.
>>>
>>> Also saying "but if you want to talk about products or anything other
>>> than the lawsuit, feel free to reach out to me privately." is kind of
>>> like Ford in the 1970's saying "if you want to talk about anything
>>> else besides exploding Pintos, feel free to reach out to me
>>> privately." The lawsuit is both a symptom and a cause to problems at
>>> Ubiquiti and you can't just brush the elephant in the room under the
>>> rug.
>>>
>>> 2 cents
>>>
>>> -Sean
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> On Mon, Sep 17, 2018 at 9:28 AM Cameron Crum >> <mailto:cc...@murcevilo.com>> wrote:
>>>
>>> In the interest of full disclosure, for those that don't know,
>>> and
>>> given the current environment, when I joined the group I had my
>>> own
>>> company (still do, just not doing much with it currently), but
>>> now
>>> also work for ubnt although I am not here to shill for them nor
>>> will
>>> I involve myself in discussions about them unless I see something
>>> grossly in error. I would actually rather keep that side of
>>> things
>>> separate from this group as I value the relationships here above
>>> any
>>> employment scenario. My job at ubnt is actually to engage with
>>> operators and try to find a better way to create and maintain
>>> relationships with them. I hope to take all the past failures and
>>> criticisms and present them with a plan on how to be better at
>>> that
>>> side of things. I actually prefer to hear the bad stuff as that
>>> is
>>> what I can use to help change things, hopefully. I don't want
>>> this
>>> to turn into a discussion about the company, but if you want to
>>> talk
>>> about products or anything other than the lawsuit, feel free to
>>> reach out to me privately. I just don't want to seem like the
>>> enemy
>>> lurker.
>>>
>>> Best,
>>>
>>> Cameron
>>>
>>> On Mon, Sep 17, 2018 at 10:11 AM, Bill Prince
>>> >> <mailto:part15...@gmail.com>> wrote:
>>>
>>> Likewise. I hope that he is lurking in incognito mode at
>>> least.
>>>
>>>
>>> bp
>>> 
>>>
>>> On 9/15/2018 8:44 AM, Jason McKemie wrote:
>>>> Yes, he is missed.
>>>>
>>>> On Saturday, September 15, 2018, >>> <mailto:ch...@wbmfg.com>> wrote:
>>>>
>>>> Harass, welcome.
>>>> I hope for the day to see Ken Hohof show up.
>>>> *From:* Mathew Howard
>>>> *Sent:* Friday, September 14, 2018 5:58 PM
>>>> *To:* AFMUG
>>>> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] AF subscription notification
>>>> Well, it would only be new lurkers that would get outed,
>>>> I
>>>> assume... but yeah, if all we're seeing is an email
>>>> address, that can be pretty anonymous anyway.
>>>> I'm not sure what good it would really do us though...
>>>> othe

Re: [AFMUG] AF subscription notification

[Matt Hoppes]

What failed in the Hurricane?  Water incursion?

On 9/17/18 4:34 PM, Mike Meluskey wrote:
I was one of Ubiquiti’s first customers, their SR wireless cards that 
plugged into MT RB532.
The lawsuit combined with the AF24’s 95% failure rate in the Hurricanes 
(compared to the 0% failure of Ceragon IP-20 and 5% Cambium 450m) have 
put Ubiquiti on our former vendor list.


On 17 Sep 2018, at 18:14, Robert Andrews wrote:


+100

On 09/17/2018 02:36 PM, Sean Heskett wrote:
Being as Ubiquiti has decided to go down the frivolous lawsuit path 
as their business model i've decided to never use any Ubiquiti 
products or services in my business model.


The only way for me to change my business model to include Ubiquiti 
would be for them to change their business model.


Suing your customers and inflicting our industry with harm puts you 
outside of my vendor list.


Also saying "but if you want to talk about products or anything other 
than the lawsuit, feel free to reach out to me privately." is kind of 
like Ford in the 1970's saying "if you want to talk about anything 
else besides exploding Pintos, feel free to reach out to me 
privately."  The lawsuit is both a symptom and a cause to problems at 
Ubiquiti and you can't just brush the elephant in the room under the 
rug.


2 cents

-Sean




On Mon, Sep 17, 2018 at 9:28 AM Cameron Crum <mailto:cc...@murcevilo.com>> wrote:


    In the interest of full disclosure, for those that don't know, and
    given the current environment, when I joined the group I had my own
    company (still do, just not doing much with it currently), but now
    also work for ubnt although I am not here to shill for them nor will
    I involve myself in discussions about them unless I see something
    grossly in error. I would actually rather keep that side of things
    separate from this group as I value the relationships here above any
    employment scenario. My job at ubnt is actually to engage with
    operators and try to find a better way to create and maintain
    relationships with them. I hope to take all the past failures and
    criticisms and present them with a plan on how to be better at that
    side of things. I actually prefer to hear the bad stuff as that is
    what I can use to help change things, hopefully. I don't want this
    to turn into a discussion about the company, but if you want to talk
    about products or anything other than the lawsuit, feel free to
    reach out to me privately. I just don't want to seem like the enemy
    lurker.

    Best,

    Cameron

    On Mon, Sep 17, 2018 at 10:11 AM, Bill Prince mailto:part15...@gmail.com>> wrote:

    Likewise. I hope that he is lurking in incognito mode at least.


    bp
    

    On 9/15/2018 8:44 AM, Jason McKemie wrote:

    Yes, he is missed.

    On Saturday, September 15, 2018, mailto:ch...@wbmfg.com>> wrote:

    Harass, welcome.
    I hope for the day to see Ken Hohof show up.
    *From:* Mathew Howard
    *Sent:* Friday, September 14, 2018 5:58 PM
        *To:* AFMUG
    *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] AF subscription notification
    Well, it would only be new lurkers that would get outed, I
    assume... but yeah, if all we're seeing is an email
    address, that can be pretty anonymous anyway.
    I'm not sure what good it would really do us though... 
  other than give us an opportunity to harass new people.

    On Fri, Sep 14, 2018 at 4:11 PM  wrote:

    Probably best to not out the lurkers. There are about
    500 list members but only about 10% post.
    *From:* Mathew Howard
    *Sent:* Friday, September 14, 2018 3:03 PM
    *To:* AFMUG
    *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] AF subscription notification
    I assume most of the subscribers to this list never
    actually post anything. It might be kind of
    interesting to see who's watching us...
    I imagine there are some people that wouldn't like it,
    but if they aren't going to every post anything
    anyway, do we care?
    On Fri, Sep 14, 2018 at 3:52 PM David Coudron
     wrote:

    I think enough information is shared feely in this
    group to warrant folks being identified as
    recipients of the information. If I were signing
    up, I don’t think it would be unreasonable to be
    identified as being a part of the list given the
    value of the discussions on the list.

    Regards,

    David Coudron

    *From:*AF  *On Behalf Of
    *Adam Moffett
    *Sent:* Friday, September 14, 2018 3:34 PM
    *To:* af@af.afmug.com
    

Re: [AFMUG] AF subscription notification

[Mike Hammett]

What kind of failures? 




- 
Mike Hammett 
Intelligent Computing Solutions 

Midwest Internet Exchange 

The Brothers WISP 




- Original Message -

From: "Mike Meluskey"  
To: "AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group"  
Sent: Monday, September 17, 2018 6:34:13 PM 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] AF subscription notification 

I was one of Ubiquiti’s first customers, their SR wireless cards that 
plugged into MT RB532. 
The lawsuit combined with the AF24’s 95% failure rate in the 
Hurricanes (compared to the 0% failure of Ceragon IP-20 and 5% Cambium 
450m) have put Ubiquiti on our former vendor list. 

On 17 Sep 2018, at 18:14, Robert Andrews wrote: 

> +100 
> 
> On 09/17/2018 02:36 PM, Sean Heskett wrote: 
>> Being as Ubiquiti has decided to go down the frivolous lawsuit path 
>> as their business model i've decided to never use any Ubiquiti 
>> products or services in my business model. 
>> 
>> The only way for me to change my business model to include Ubiquiti 
>> would be for them to change their business model. 
>> 
>> Suing your customers and inflicting our industry with harm puts you 
>> outside of my vendor list. 
>> 
>> Also saying "but if you want to talk about products or anything other 
>> than the lawsuit, feel free to reach out to me privately." is kind of 
>> like Ford in the 1970's saying "if you want to talk about anything 
>> else besides exploding Pintos, feel free to reach out to me 
>> privately." The lawsuit is both a symptom and a cause to problems at 
>> Ubiquiti and you can't just brush the elephant in the room under the 
>> rug. 
>> 
>> 2 cents 
>> 
>> -Sean 
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> On Mon, Sep 17, 2018 at 9:28 AM Cameron Crum > <mailto:cc...@murcevilo.com>> wrote: 
>> 
>> In the interest of full disclosure, for those that don't know, 
>> and 
>> given the current environment, when I joined the group I had my 
>> own 
>> company (still do, just not doing much with it currently), but 
>> now 
>> also work for ubnt although I am not here to shill for them nor 
>> will 
>> I involve myself in discussions about them unless I see something 
>> grossly in error. I would actually rather keep that side of 
>> things 
>> separate from this group as I value the relationships here above 
>> any 
>> employment scenario. My job at ubnt is actually to engage with 
>> operators and try to find a better way to create and maintain 
>> relationships with them. I hope to take all the past failures and 
>> criticisms and present them with a plan on how to be better at 
>> that 
>> side of things. I actually prefer to hear the bad stuff as that 
>> is 
>> what I can use to help change things, hopefully. I don't want 
>> this 
>> to turn into a discussion about the company, but if you want to 
>> talk 
>> about products or anything other than the lawsuit, feel free to 
>> reach out to me privately. I just don't want to seem like the 
>> enemy 
>> lurker. 
>> 
>> Best, 
>> 
>> Cameron 
>> 
>> On Mon, Sep 17, 2018 at 10:11 AM, Bill Prince 
>> > <mailto:part15...@gmail.com>> wrote: 
>> 
>> Likewise. I hope that he is lurking in incognito mode at 
>> least. 
>> 
>> 
>> bp 
>>  
>> 
>> On 9/15/2018 8:44 AM, Jason McKemie wrote: 
>>> Yes, he is missed. 
>>> 
>>> On Saturday, September 15, 2018, >> <mailto:ch...@wbmfg.com>> wrote: 
>>> 
>>> Harass, welcome. 
>>> I hope for the day to see Ken Hohof show up. 
>>> *From:* Mathew Howard 
>>> *Sent:* Friday, September 14, 2018 5:58 PM 
>>> *To:* AFMUG 
>>> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] AF subscription notification 
>>> Well, it would only be new lurkers that would get outed, 
>>> I 
>>> assume... but yeah, if all we're seeing is an email 
>>> address, that can be pretty anonymous anyway. 
>>> I'm not sure what good it would really do us though... 
>>> other than give us an opportunity to harass new people. 
>>> On Fri, Sep 14, 2018 at 4:11 PM  wrote: 
>>> 
>>> Probably best to not out the lurkers. There are 
>>> about 
>>> 500 list members but only about 10% post. 
>>> *From:* Mathew Howard 
>>> *Sent:* Friday, September 14, 2018 3:03 PM 
>>> *To:* AFMUG 
>>> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] AF subscription notification 
>>> I assume most of the subscribers to this list never 
>>> actually post anything. It might be kind of 
>>> 

Re: [AFMUG] AF subscription notification

[Mike Meluskey]

I was one of Ubiquiti’s first customers, their SR wireless cards that 
plugged into MT RB532.
The lawsuit combined with the AF24’s 95% failure rate in the 
Hurricanes (compared to the 0% failure of Ceragon IP-20 and 5% Cambium 
450m) have put Ubiquiti on our former vendor list.


On 17 Sep 2018, at 18:14, Robert Andrews wrote:


+100

On 09/17/2018 02:36 PM, Sean Heskett wrote:
Being as Ubiquiti has decided to go down the frivolous lawsuit path 
as their business model i've decided to never use any Ubiquiti 
products or services in my business model.


The only way for me to change my business model to include Ubiquiti 
would be for them to change their business model.


Suing your customers and inflicting our industry with harm puts you 
outside of my vendor list.


Also saying "but if you want to talk about products or anything other 
than the lawsuit, feel free to reach out to me privately." is kind of 
like Ford in the 1970's saying "if you want to talk about anything 
else besides exploding Pintos, feel free to reach out to me 
privately."  The lawsuit is both a symptom and a cause to problems at 
Ubiquiti and you can't just brush the elephant in the room under the 
rug.


2 cents

-Sean




On Mon, Sep 17, 2018 at 9:28 AM Cameron Crum <mailto:cc...@murcevilo.com>> wrote:


In the interest of full disclosure, for those that don't know, 
and
given the current environment, when I joined the group I had my 
own
company (still do, just not doing much with it currently), but 
now
also work for ubnt although I am not here to shill for them nor 
will

I involve myself in discussions about them unless I see something
grossly in error. I would actually rather keep that side of 
things
separate from this group as I value the relationships here above 
any

employment scenario. My job at ubnt is actually to engage with
operators and try to find a better way to create and maintain
relationships with them. I hope to take all the past failures and
criticisms and present them with a plan on how to be better at 
that
side of things. I actually prefer to hear the bad stuff as that 
is
what I can use to help change things, hopefully. I don't want 
this
to turn into a discussion about the company, but if you want to 
talk

about products or anything other than the lawsuit, feel free to
reach out to me privately. I just don't want to seem like the 
enemy

lurker.

Best,

Cameron

On Mon, Sep 17, 2018 at 10:11 AM, Bill Prince 

<mailto:part15...@gmail.com>> wrote:

Likewise. I hope that he is lurking in incognito mode at 
least.



bp


On 9/15/2018 8:44 AM, Jason McKemie wrote:

Yes, he is missed.

On Saturday, September 15, 2018, mailto:ch...@wbmfg.com>> wrote:

Harass, welcome.
I hope for the day to see Ken Hohof show up.
*From:* Mathew Howard
*Sent:* Friday, September 14, 2018 5:58 PM
        *To:* AFMUG
    *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] AF subscription notification
Well, it would only be new lurkers that would get outed, 
I

assume... but yeah, if all we're seeing is an email
address, that can be pretty anonymous anyway.
I'm not sure what good it would really do us though...   
  other than give us an opportunity to harass new people.

On Fri, Sep 14, 2018 at 4:11 PM  wrote:

Probably best to not out the lurkers. There are 
about

500 list members but only about 10% post.
*From:* Mathew Howard
*Sent:* Friday, September 14, 2018 3:03 PM
        *To:* AFMUG
    *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] AF subscription notification
I assume most of the subscribers to this list never
actually post anything. It might be kind of
interesting to see who's watching us...
I imagine there are some people that wouldn't like 
it,

but if they aren't going to every post anything
anyway, do we care?
On Fri, Sep 14, 2018 at 3:52 PM David Coudron
 wrote:

I think enough information is shared feely in 
this

group to warrant folks being identified as
recipients of the information. If I were signing
up, I don’t think it would be unreasonable to 
be

identified as being a part of the list given the
value of the discussions on the list.

Regards,

David Coudron

*From:*AF  *On Behalf 
Of

*Adam Moffett
*Sent:* Friday, September 14, 2018 3:34 PM
*To:* af@af.afmug.com
    *Subject

Re: [AFMUG] AF subscription notification

[Seth Mattinen]

On 9/17/18 3:12 PM, Sean Heskett wrote:


anyway, Cameron brought it up and I'm not going to let this go because 
it really chaps my hide.  i'll shut up about it when Ubiquiti decides to 
actually do something good for our industry instead of trying to rip it 
apart.





I don't think that suing WISPs is a step in the right direction to 
improve relations with other WISPs. To me, UBNT comes off like a company 
chasing the next short term earnings report like an addict trying to 
score another hit.


~Seth

--
AF mailing list
AF@af.afmug.com
http://af.afmug.com/mailman/listinfo/af_af.afmug.com

Re: [AFMUG] AF subscription notification

[Robert Andrews]

+100

On 09/17/2018 02:36 PM, Sean Heskett wrote:
Being as Ubiquiti has decided to go down the frivolous lawsuit path as 
their business model i've decided to never use any Ubiquiti products or 
services in my business model.


The only way for me to change my business model to include Ubiquiti 
would be for them to change their business model.


Suing your customers and inflicting our industry with harm puts you 
outside of my vendor list.


Also saying "but if you want to talk about products or anything other 
than the lawsuit, feel free to reach out to me privately." is kind of 
like Ford in the 1970's saying "if you want to talk about anything else 
besides exploding Pintos, feel free to reach out to me privately."  The 
lawsuit is both a symptom and a cause to problems at Ubiquiti and you 
can't just brush the elephant in the room under the rug.


2 cents

-Sean




On Mon, Sep 17, 2018 at 9:28 AM Cameron Crum <mailto:cc...@murcevilo.com>> wrote:


In the interest of full disclosure, for those that don't know, and
given the current environment, when I joined the group I had my own
company (still do, just not doing much with it currently), but now
also work for ubnt although I am not here to shill for them nor will
I involve myself in discussions about them unless I see something
grossly in error. I would actually rather keep that side of things
separate from this group as I value the relationships here above any
employment scenario. My job at ubnt is actually to engage with
operators and try to find a better way to create and maintain
relationships with them. I hope to take all the past failures and
criticisms and present them with a plan on how to be better at that
side of things. I actually prefer to hear the bad stuff as that is
what I can use to help change things, hopefully. I don't want this
to turn into a discussion about the company, but if you want to talk
about products or anything other than the lawsuit, feel free to
reach out to me privately. I just don't want to seem like the enemy
lurker.

Best,

Cameron

On Mon, Sep 17, 2018 at 10:11 AM, Bill Prince mailto:part15...@gmail.com>> wrote:

Likewise. I hope that he is lurking in incognito mode at least.


bp


On 9/15/2018 8:44 AM, Jason McKemie wrote:

Yes, he is missed.

On Saturday, September 15, 2018, mailto:ch...@wbmfg.com>> wrote:

Harass, welcome.
I hope for the day to see Ken Hohof show up.
*From:* Mathew Howard
*Sent:* Friday, September 14, 2018 5:58 PM
        *To:* AFMUG
    *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] AF subscription notification
Well, it would only be new lurkers that would get outed, I
assume... but yeah, if all we're seeing is an email
address, that can be pretty anonymous anyway.
I'm not sure what good it would really do us though... 
other than give us an opportunity to harass new people.

On Fri, Sep 14, 2018 at 4:11 PM  wrote:

Probably best to not out the lurkers. There are about
500 list members but only about 10% post.
*From:* Mathew Howard
*Sent:* Friday, September 14, 2018 3:03 PM
    *To:* AFMUG
    *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] AF subscription notification
I assume most of the subscribers to this list never
actually post anything. It might be kind of
interesting to see who's watching us...
I imagine there are some people that wouldn't like it,
but if they aren't going to every post anything
anyway, do we care?
On Fri, Sep 14, 2018 at 3:52 PM David Coudron
 wrote:

I think enough information is shared feely in this
group to warrant folks being identified as
recipients of the information. If I were signing
up, I don’t think it would be unreasonable to be
identified as being a part of the list given the
value of the discussions on the list.

Regards,

David Coudron

*From:*AF  *On Behalf Of
*Adam Moffett
*Sent:* Friday, September 14, 2018 3:34 PM
*To:* af@af.afmug.com
        *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] AF subscription notification

A manufacturer rep might prefer to quietly lurk
and observeor a government rep.

Nobody is entitled to//privacy in a public forum,
but I'm sure some would prefer it.

-Adam

On 9/14/2018 1:53 PM, ch...@wbmfg.com wrote:

  

Re: [AFMUG] AF subscription notification

[Sean Heskett]

yeah i realize that Cameron realistically can't talk about the lawsuit
while it's on-going - he could, but his bosses and the attorneys probably
wouldn't like it...it's a civil case, not criminal case so there's actually
no law barring a discussion, it would just be un-wise from a legal
standpoint.

anyway, Cameron brought it up and I'm not going to let this go because it
really chaps my hide.  i'll shut up about it when Ubiquiti decides to
actually do something good for our industry instead of trying to rip it
apart.

-sean



On Mon, Sep 17, 2018 at 4:02 PM Mike Hammett  wrote:

> You do realize that people in lawsuits can't generally talk about them
> while in progress? Don't you?
>
>
>
> -
> Mike Hammett
> Intelligent Computing Solutions <http://www.ics-il.com/>
> <https://www.facebook.com/ICSIL>
> <https://plus.google.com/+IntelligentComputingSolutionsDeKalb>
> <https://www.linkedin.com/company/intelligent-computing-solutions>
> <https://twitter.com/ICSIL>
> Midwest Internet Exchange <http://www.midwest-ix.com/>
> <https://www.facebook.com/mdwestix>
> <https://www.linkedin.com/company/midwest-internet-exchange>
> <https://twitter.com/mdwestix>
> The Brothers WISP <http://www.thebrotherswisp.com/>
> <https://www.facebook.com/thebrotherswisp>
>
>
> <https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCXSdfxQv7SpoRQYNyLwntZg>
> ------
> *From: *"Sean Heskett" 
> *To: *"AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group" 
> *Sent: *Monday, September 17, 2018 4:36:36 PM
> *Subject: *Re: [AFMUG] AF subscription notification
>
> Being as Ubiquiti has decided to go down the frivolous lawsuit path as
> their business model i've decided to never use any Ubiquiti products or
> services in my business model.
>
> The only way for me to change my business model to include Ubiquiti would
> be for them to change their business model.
>
> Suing your customers and inflicting our industry with harm puts you
> outside of my vendor list.
>
> Also saying "but if you want to talk about products or anything other than
> the lawsuit, feel free to reach out to me privately." is kind of like Ford
> in the 1970's saying "if you want to talk about anything else besides
> exploding Pintos, feel free to reach out to me privately."  The lawsuit is
> both a symptom and a cause to problems at Ubiquiti and you can't just brush
> the elephant in the room under the rug.
>
> 2 cents
>
> -Sean
>
>
>
>
> On Mon, Sep 17, 2018 at 9:28 AM Cameron Crum  wrote:
>
>> In the interest of full disclosure, for those that don't know, and given
>> the current environment, when I joined the group I had my own company
>> (still do, just not doing much with it currently), but now also work for
>> ubnt although I am not here to shill for them nor will I involve myself in
>> discussions about them unless I see something grossly in error. I would
>> actually rather keep that side of things separate from this group as I
>> value the relationships here above any employment scenario. My job at ubnt
>> is actually to engage with operators and try to find a better way to create
>> and maintain relationships with them. I hope to take all the past failures
>> and criticisms and present them with a plan on how to be better at that
>> side of things. I actually prefer to hear the bad stuff as that is what I
>> can use to help change things, hopefully. I don't want this to turn into a
>> discussion about the company, but if you want to talk about products or
>> anything other than the lawsuit, feel free to reach out to me privately. I
>> just don't want to seem like the enemy lurker.
>>
>> Best,
>>
>> Cameron
>>
>> On Mon, Sep 17, 2018 at 10:11 AM, Bill Prince 
>> wrote:
>>
>>> Likewise. I hope that he is lurking in incognito mode at least.
>>>
>>>
>>> bp
>>> 
>>>
>>>
>>> On 9/15/2018 8:44 AM, Jason McKemie wrote:
>>>
>>> Yes, he is missed.
>>>
>>> On Saturday, September 15, 2018,  wrote:
>>>
>>>> Harass, welcome.
>>>> I hope for the day to see Ken Hohof show up.
>>>>
>>>> *From:* Mathew Howard
>>>> *Sent:* Friday, September 14, 2018 5:58 PM
>>>> *To:* AFMUG
>>>> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] AF subscription notification
>>>>
>>>> Well, it would only be new lurkers that would get outed, I assume...
>>>> but yeah, if all we're seeing is an email address, that can be pretty
>>>> anonymous anyway.
>>>>
>>>> I'm not s

Re: [AFMUG] AF subscription notification

[Mike Hammett]

If you want to talk about where Ubiquiti has gone wrong, clear your calendar. 
;-) 




- 
Mike Hammett 
Intelligent Computing Solutions 

Midwest Internet Exchange 

The Brothers WISP 




- Original Message -

From: "Cameron Crum"  
To: "AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group"  
Sent: Monday, September 17, 2018 10:27:02 AM 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] AF subscription notification 


In the interest of full disclosure, for those that don't know, and given the 
current environment, when I joined the group I had my own company (still do, 
just not doing much with it currently), but now also work for ubnt although I 
am not here to shill for them nor will I involve myself in discussions about 
them unless I see something grossly in error. I would actually rather keep that 
side of things separate from this group as I value the relationships here above 
any employment scenario. My job at ubnt is actually to engage with operators 
and try to find a better way to create and maintain relationships with them. I 
hope to take all the past failures and criticisms and present them with a plan 
on how to be better at that side of things. I actually prefer to hear the bad 
stuff as that is what I can use to help change things, hopefully. I don't want 
this to turn into a discussion about the company, but if you want to talk about 
products or anything other than the lawsuit, feel free to reach out to me 
privately. I just don't want to seem like the enemy lurker. 


Best, 


Cameron 


On Mon, Sep 17, 2018 at 10:11 AM, Bill Prince < part15...@gmail.com > wrote: 




Likewise. I hope that he is lurking in incognito mode at least. 

bp
 


On 9/15/2018 8:44 AM, Jason McKemie wrote: 


Yes, he is missed. 

On Saturday, September 15, 2018, < ch...@wbmfg.com > wrote: 






Harass, welcome. 
I hope for the day to see Ken Hohof show up. 




From: Mathew Howard 
Sent: Friday, September 14, 2018 5:58 PM 
To: AFMUG 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] AF subscription notification 


Well, it would only be new lurkers that would get outed, I assume... but yeah, 
if all we're seeing is an email address, that can be pretty anonymous anyway. 

I'm not sure what good it would really do us though... other than give us an 
opportunity to harass new people. 


On Fri, Sep 14, 2018 at 4:11 PM < ch...@wbmfg.com > wrote: 






Probably best to not out the lurkers. There are about 500 list members but only 
about 10% post. 




From: Mathew Howard 
Sent: Friday, September 14, 2018 3:03 PM 
To: AFMUG 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] AF subscription notification 



I assume most of the subscribers to this list never actually post anything. It 
might be kind of interesting to see who's watching us... 

I imagine there are some people that wouldn't like it, but if they aren't going 
to every post anything anyway, do we care? 



On Fri, Sep 14, 2018 at 3:52 PM David Coudron < david.coud...@advantenon.com > 
wrote: 





I think enough information is shared feely in this group to warrant folks being 
identified as recipients of the information. If I were signing up, I don’t 
think it would be unreasonable to be identified as being a part of the list 
given the value of the discussions on the list. 

Regards, 

David Coudron 


From: AF < af-boun...@af.afmug.com > On Behalf Of Adam Moffett 
Sent: Friday, September 14, 2018 3:34 PM 
To: af@af.afmug.com 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] AF subscription notification 

A manufacturer rep might prefer to quietly lurk and observeor a government 
rep. 

Nobody is entitled to privacy in a public forum, but I'm sure some would prefer 
it. 

-Adam 



On 9/14/2018 1:53 PM, ch...@wbmfg.com wrote: 


xx...@.xxx has been successfully subscribed to AF. 

I am thinking of posting this when new people join. 

Or do new list subscribers deserve to remain incognito until they out 
themselves? 





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Re: [AFMUG] AF subscription notification

[Mike Hammett]

You do realize that people in lawsuits can't generally talk about them while in 
progress? Don't you? 




- 
Mike Hammett 
Intelligent Computing Solutions 

Midwest Internet Exchange 

The Brothers WISP 




- Original Message -

From: "Sean Heskett"  
To: "AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group"  
Sent: Monday, September 17, 2018 4:36:36 PM 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] AF subscription notification 




Being as Ubiquiti has decided to go down the frivolous lawsuit path as their 
business model i've decided to never use any Ubiquiti products or services in 
my business model. 


The only way for me to change my business model to include Ubiquiti would be 
for them to change their business model. 


Suing your customers and inflicting our industry with harm puts you outside of 
my vendor list. 


Also saying "but if you want to talk about products or anything other than the 
lawsuit, feel free to reach out to me privately." is kind of like Ford in the 
1970's saying "if you want to talk about anything else besides exploding 
Pintos, feel free to reach out to me privately." The lawsuit is both a symptom 
and a cause to problems at Ubiquiti and you can't just brush the elephant in 
the room under the rug. 


2 cents 


-Sean 








On Mon, Sep 17, 2018 at 9:28 AM Cameron Crum < cc...@murcevilo.com > wrote: 



In the interest of full disclosure, for those that don't know, and given the 
current environment, when I joined the group I had my own company (still do, 
just not doing much with it currently), but now also work for ubnt although I 
am not here to shill for them nor will I involve myself in discussions about 
them unless I see something grossly in error. I would actually rather keep that 
side of things separate from this group as I value the relationships here above 
any employment scenario. My job at ubnt is actually to engage with operators 
and try to find a better way to create and maintain relationships with them. I 
hope to take all the past failures and criticisms and present them with a plan 
on how to be better at that side of things. I actually prefer to hear the bad 
stuff as that is what I can use to help change things, hopefully. I don't want 
this to turn into a discussion about the company, but if you want to talk about 
products or anything other than the lawsuit, feel free to reach out to me 
privately. I just don't want to seem like the enemy lurker. 


Best, 


Cameron 


On Mon, Sep 17, 2018 at 10:11 AM, Bill Prince < part15...@gmail.com > wrote: 




Likewise. I hope that he is lurking in incognito mode at least. 

bp
 


On 9/15/2018 8:44 AM, Jason McKemie wrote: 


Yes, he is missed. 

On Saturday, September 15, 2018, < ch...@wbmfg.com > wrote: 






Harass, welcome. 
I hope for the day to see Ken Hohof show up. 




From: Mathew Howard 
Sent: Friday, September 14, 2018 5:58 PM 
To: AFMUG 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] AF subscription notification 


Well, it would only be new lurkers that would get outed, I assume... but yeah, 
if all we're seeing is an email address, that can be pretty anonymous anyway. 

I'm not sure what good it would really do us though... other than give us an 
opportunity to harass new people. 


On Fri, Sep 14, 2018 at 4:11 PM < ch...@wbmfg.com > wrote: 






Probably best to not out the lurkers. There are about 500 list members but only 
about 10% post. 




From: Mathew Howard 
Sent: Friday, September 14, 2018 3:03 PM 
To: AFMUG 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] AF subscription notification 



I assume most of the subscribers to this list never actually post anything. It 
might be kind of interesting to see who's watching us... 

I imagine there are some people that wouldn't like it, but if they aren't going 
to every post anything anyway, do we care? 



On Fri, Sep 14, 2018 at 3:52 PM David Coudron < david.coud...@advantenon.com > 
wrote: 





I think enough information is shared feely in this group to warrant folks being 
identified as recipients of the information. If I were signing up, I don’t 
think it would be unreasonable to be identified as being a part of the list 
given the value of the discussions on the list. 

Regards, 

David Coudron 


From: AF < af-boun...@af.afmug.com > On Behalf Of Adam Moffett 
Sent: Friday, September 14, 2018 3:34 PM 
To: af@af.afmug.com 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] AF subscription notification 

A manufacturer rep might prefer to quietly lurk and observeor a government 
rep. 

Nobody is entitled to privacy in a public forum, but I'm sure some would prefer 
it. 

-Adam 



On 9/14/2018 1:53 PM, ch...@wbmfg.com wrote: 


xx...@.xxx has been successfully subscribed to AF. 

I am thinking of posting this when new people join. 

Or do new list subscribers deserve to remain incognito until they out 
themselves? 





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Re: [AFMUG] AF subscription notification

[Sean Heskett]

Being as Ubiquiti has decided to go down the frivolous lawsuit path as
their business model i've decided to never use any Ubiquiti products or
services in my business model.

The only way for me to change my business model to include Ubiquiti would
be for them to change their business model.

Suing your customers and inflicting our industry with harm puts you outside
of my vendor list.

Also saying "but if you want to talk about products or anything other than
the lawsuit, feel free to reach out to me privately." is kind of like Ford
in the 1970's saying "if you want to talk about anything else besides
exploding Pintos, feel free to reach out to me privately."  The lawsuit is
both a symptom and a cause to problems at Ubiquiti and you can't just brush
the elephant in the room under the rug.

2 cents

-Sean




On Mon, Sep 17, 2018 at 9:28 AM Cameron Crum  wrote:

> In the interest of full disclosure, for those that don't know, and given
> the current environment, when I joined the group I had my own company
> (still do, just not doing much with it currently), but now also work for
> ubnt although I am not here to shill for them nor will I involve myself in
> discussions about them unless I see something grossly in error. I would
> actually rather keep that side of things separate from this group as I
> value the relationships here above any employment scenario. My job at ubnt
> is actually to engage with operators and try to find a better way to create
> and maintain relationships with them. I hope to take all the past failures
> and criticisms and present them with a plan on how to be better at that
> side of things. I actually prefer to hear the bad stuff as that is what I
> can use to help change things, hopefully. I don't want this to turn into a
> discussion about the company, but if you want to talk about products or
> anything other than the lawsuit, feel free to reach out to me privately. I
> just don't want to seem like the enemy lurker.
>
> Best,
>
> Cameron
>
> On Mon, Sep 17, 2018 at 10:11 AM, Bill Prince  wrote:
>
>> Likewise. I hope that he is lurking in incognito mode at least.
>>
>>
>> bp
>> 
>>
>>
>> On 9/15/2018 8:44 AM, Jason McKemie wrote:
>>
>> Yes, he is missed.
>>
>> On Saturday, September 15, 2018,  wrote:
>>
>>> Harass, welcome.
>>> I hope for the day to see Ken Hohof show up.
>>>
>>> *From:* Mathew Howard
>>> *Sent:* Friday, September 14, 2018 5:58 PM
>>> *To:* AFMUG
>>> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] AF subscription notification
>>>
>>> Well, it would only be new lurkers that would get outed, I assume... but
>>> yeah, if all we're seeing is an email address, that can be pretty anonymous
>>> anyway.
>>>
>>> I'm not sure what good it would really do us though...  other than give
>>> us an opportunity to harass new people.
>>>
>>> On Fri, Sep 14, 2018 at 4:11 PM  wrote:
>>>
>>>> Probably best to not out the lurkers.  There are about 500 list members
>>>> but only about 10% post.
>>>>
>>>> *From:* Mathew Howard
>>>> *Sent:* Friday, September 14, 2018 3:03 PM
>>>> *To:* AFMUG
>>>> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] AF subscription notification
>>>>
>>>> I assume most of the subscribers to this list never actually post
>>>> anything. It might be kind of interesting to see who's watching us...
>>>>
>>>> I imagine there are some people that wouldn't like it, but if they
>>>> aren't going to every post anything anyway, do we care?
>>>>
>>>> On Fri, Sep 14, 2018 at 3:52 PM David Coudron <
>>>> david.coud...@advantenon.com> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> I think enough information is shared feely in this group to warrant
>>>>> folks being identified as recipients of the information.   If I were
>>>>> signing up, I don’t think it would be unreasonable to be identified as
>>>>> being a part of the list given the value of the discussions on the list.
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> Regards,
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> David Coudron
>>>>>
>>>>> *From:* AF  *On Behalf Of *Adam Moffett
>>>>> *Sent:* Friday, September 14, 2018 3:34 PM
>>>>> *To:* af@af.afmug.com
>>>>> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] AF subscription notification
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> A manufacturer rep might prefer to quietly 

Re: [AFMUG] AF subscription notification

[Steve Jones]

[image: dont-forget-snitches-get-stitches-9365935.png]

On Mon, Sep 17, 2018 at 11:42 AM Josh Luthman 
wrote:

> That's a weird way to spell spy
>
>
> Josh Luthman
> Office: 937-552-2340
> Direct: 937-552-2343
> 1100 Wayne St
> Suite 1337
> Troy, OH 45373
>
> On Mon, Sep 17, 2018 at 12:22 PM,  wrote:
>
>> We hereby accept your registration as a foreign agent.
>>
>> *From:* Cameron Crum
>> *Sent:* Monday, September 17, 2018 9:27 AM
>> *To:* AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group
>> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] AF subscription notification
>>
>> In the interest of full disclosure, for those that don't know, and given
>> the current environment, when I joined the group I had my own company
>> (still do, just not doing much with it currently), but now also work for
>> ubnt although I am not here to shill for them nor will I involve myself in
>> discussions about them unless I see something grossly in error. I would
>> actually rather keep that side of things separate from this group as I
>> value the relationships here above any employment scenario. My job at ubnt
>> is actually to engage with operators and try to find a better way to create
>> and maintain relationships with them. I hope to take all the past failures
>> and criticisms and present them with a plan on how to be better at that
>> side of things. I actually prefer to hear the bad stuff as that is what I
>> can use to help change things, hopefully. I don't want this to turn into a
>> discussion about the company, but if you want to talk about products or
>> anything other than the lawsuit, feel free to reach out to me privately. I
>> just don't want to seem like the enemy lurker.
>>
>> Best,
>>
>> Cameron
>>
>> On Mon, Sep 17, 2018 at 10:11 AM, Bill Prince 
>> wrote:
>>
>>> Likewise. I hope that he is lurking in incognito mode at least.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> bp
>>> 
>>>
>>>
>>> On 9/15/2018 8:44 AM, Jason McKemie wrote:
>>>
>>> Yes, he is missed.
>>>
>>> On Saturday, September 15, 2018,  wrote:
>>>
>>>> Harass, welcome.
>>>> I hope for the day to see Ken Hohof show up.
>>>>
>>>> *From:* Mathew Howard
>>>> *Sent:* Friday, September 14, 2018 5:58 PM
>>>> *To:* AFMUG
>>>> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] AF subscription notification
>>>>
>>>> Well, it would only be new lurkers that would get outed, I assume...
>>>> but yeah, if all we're seeing is an email address, that can be pretty
>>>> anonymous anyway.
>>>>
>>>> I'm not sure what good it would really do us though...  other than give
>>>> us an opportunity to harass new people.
>>>>
>>>> On Fri, Sep 14, 2018 at 4:11 PM  wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> Probably best to not out the lurkers.  There are about 500 list
>>>>> members but only about 10% post.
>>>>>
>>>>> *From:* Mathew Howard
>>>>> *Sent:* Friday, September 14, 2018 3:03 PM
>>>>> *To:* AFMUG
>>>>> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] AF subscription notification
>>>>>
>>>>> I assume most of the subscribers to this list never actually post
>>>>> anything. It might be kind of interesting to see who's watching us...
>>>>>
>>>>> I imagine there are some people that wouldn't like it, but if they
>>>>> aren't going to every post anything anyway, do we care?
>>>>>
>>>>> On Fri, Sep 14, 2018 at 3:52 PM David Coudron <
>>>>> david.coud...@advantenon.com> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>> I think enough information is shared feely in this group to warrant
>>>>>> folks being identified as recipients of the information.   If I were
>>>>>> signing up, I don’t think it would be unreasonable to be identified as
>>>>>> being a part of the list given the value of the discussions on the list.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Regards,
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> David Coudron
>>>>>>
>>>>>> *From:* AF  *On Behalf Of *Adam Moffett
>>>>>> *Sent:* Friday, September 14, 2018 3:34 PM
>>>>>> *To:* af@af.afmug.com
>>>>>> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] AF subscription notification
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>

Re: [AFMUG] AF subscription notification

[Josh Luthman]

That's a weird way to spell spy


Josh Luthman
Office: 937-552-2340
Direct: 937-552-2343
1100 Wayne St
Suite 1337
Troy, OH 45373

On Mon, Sep 17, 2018 at 12:22 PM,  wrote:

> We hereby accept your registration as a foreign agent.
>
> *From:* Cameron Crum
> *Sent:* Monday, September 17, 2018 9:27 AM
> *To:* AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group
> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] AF subscription notification
>
> In the interest of full disclosure, for those that don't know, and given
> the current environment, when I joined the group I had my own company
> (still do, just not doing much with it currently), but now also work for
> ubnt although I am not here to shill for them nor will I involve myself in
> discussions about them unless I see something grossly in error. I would
> actually rather keep that side of things separate from this group as I
> value the relationships here above any employment scenario. My job at ubnt
> is actually to engage with operators and try to find a better way to create
> and maintain relationships with them. I hope to take all the past failures
> and criticisms and present them with a plan on how to be better at that
> side of things. I actually prefer to hear the bad stuff as that is what I
> can use to help change things, hopefully. I don't want this to turn into a
> discussion about the company, but if you want to talk about products or
> anything other than the lawsuit, feel free to reach out to me privately. I
> just don't want to seem like the enemy lurker.
>
> Best,
>
> Cameron
>
> On Mon, Sep 17, 2018 at 10:11 AM, Bill Prince  wrote:
>
>> Likewise. I hope that he is lurking in incognito mode at least.
>>
>>
>>
>> bp
>> 
>>
>>
>> On 9/15/2018 8:44 AM, Jason McKemie wrote:
>>
>> Yes, he is missed.
>>
>> On Saturday, September 15, 2018,  wrote:
>>
>>> Harass, welcome.
>>> I hope for the day to see Ken Hohof show up.
>>>
>>> *From:* Mathew Howard
>>> *Sent:* Friday, September 14, 2018 5:58 PM
>>> *To:* AFMUG
>>> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] AF subscription notification
>>>
>>> Well, it would only be new lurkers that would get outed, I assume... but
>>> yeah, if all we're seeing is an email address, that can be pretty anonymous
>>> anyway.
>>>
>>> I'm not sure what good it would really do us though...  other than give
>>> us an opportunity to harass new people.
>>>
>>> On Fri, Sep 14, 2018 at 4:11 PM  wrote:
>>>
>>>> Probably best to not out the lurkers.  There are about 500 list members
>>>> but only about 10% post.
>>>>
>>>> *From:* Mathew Howard
>>>> *Sent:* Friday, September 14, 2018 3:03 PM
>>>> *To:* AFMUG
>>>> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] AF subscription notification
>>>>
>>>> I assume most of the subscribers to this list never actually post
>>>> anything. It might be kind of interesting to see who's watching us...
>>>>
>>>> I imagine there are some people that wouldn't like it, but if they
>>>> aren't going to every post anything anyway, do we care?
>>>>
>>>> On Fri, Sep 14, 2018 at 3:52 PM David Coudron <
>>>> david.coud...@advantenon.com> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> I think enough information is shared feely in this group to warrant
>>>>> folks being identified as recipients of the information.   If I were
>>>>> signing up, I don’t think it would be unreasonable to be identified as
>>>>> being a part of the list given the value of the discussions on the list.
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> Regards,
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> David Coudron
>>>>>
>>>>> *From:* AF  *On Behalf Of *Adam Moffett
>>>>> *Sent:* Friday, September 14, 2018 3:34 PM
>>>>> *To:* af@af.afmug.com
>>>>> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] AF subscription notification
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> A manufacturer rep might prefer to quietly lurk and observeor a
>>>>> government rep.
>>>>>
>>>>> Nobody is entitled to privacy in a public forum, but I'm sure some
>>>>> would prefer it.
>>>>>
>>>>> -Adam
>>>>>
>>>>> On 9/14/2018 1:53 PM, ch...@wbmfg.com wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>> xx...@.xxx has been successfully subscribed to AF.
>>>>>
>>>>> I am th

Re: [AFMUG] AF subscription notification

[chuck]

We hereby accept your registration as a foreign agent. 

From: Cameron Crum 
Sent: Monday, September 17, 2018 9:27 AM
To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] AF subscription notification

In the interest of full disclosure, for those that don't know, and given the 
current environment, when I joined the group I had my own company (still do, 
just not doing much with it currently), but now also work for ubnt although I 
am not here to shill for them nor will I involve myself in discussions about 
them unless I see something grossly in error. I would actually rather keep that 
side of things separate from this group as I value the relationships here above 
any employment scenario. My job at ubnt is actually to engage with operators 
and try to find a better way to create and maintain relationships with them. I 
hope to take all the past failures and criticisms and present them with a plan 
on how to be better at that side of things. I actually prefer to hear the bad 
stuff as that is what I can use to help change things, hopefully. I don't want 
this to turn into a discussion about the company, but if you want to talk about 
products or anything other than the lawsuit, feel free to reach out to me 
privately. I just don't want to seem like the enemy lurker. 

Best, 

Cameron

On Mon, Sep 17, 2018 at 10:11 AM, Bill Prince  wrote:

  Likewise. I hope that he is lurking in incognito mode at least.



bp


On 9/15/2018 8:44 AM, Jason McKemie wrote:

Yes, he is missed.

On Saturday, September 15, 2018,  wrote:

  Harass, welcome.
  I hope for the day to see Ken Hohof show up.  

  From: Mathew Howard 
  Sent: Friday, September 14, 2018 5:58 PM
  To: AFMUG 
  Subject: Re: [AFMUG] AF subscription notification

  Well, it would only be new lurkers that would get outed, I assume... but 
yeah, if all we're seeing is an email address, that can be pretty anonymous 
anyway. 

  I'm not sure what good it would really do us though...  other than give 
us an opportunity to harass new people.

  On Fri, Sep 14, 2018 at 4:11 PM  wrote:

Probably best to not out the lurkers.  There are about 500 list members 
but only about 10% post.  

From: Mathew Howard 
Sent: Friday, September 14, 2018 3:03 PM
To: AFMUG 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] AF subscription notification

I assume most of the subscribers to this list never actually post 
anything. It might be kind of interesting to see who's watching us...

I imagine there are some people that wouldn't like it, but if they 
aren't going to every post anything anyway, do we care?


On Fri, Sep 14, 2018 at 3:52 PM David Coudron 
 wrote:

  I think enough information is shared feely in this group to warrant 
folks being identified as recipients of the information.   If I were signing 
up, I don’t think it would be unreasonable to be identified as being a part of 
the list given the value of the discussions on the list.



  Regards,



  David Coudron

  From: AF  On Behalf Of Adam Moffett
  Sent: Friday, September 14, 2018 3:34 PM
  To: af@af.afmug.com
  Subject: Re: [AFMUG] AF subscription notification



  A manufacturer rep might prefer to quietly lurk and observeor a 
government rep.

  Nobody is entitled to privacy in a public forum, but I'm sure some 
would prefer it.

  -Adam



  On 9/14/2018 1:53 PM, ch...@wbmfg.com wrote:

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I am thinking of posting this when new people join. 

Or do new list subscribers deserve to remain incognito until they 
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Re: [AFMUG] AF subscription notification

[Cameron Crum]

In the interest of full disclosure, for those that don't know, and given
the current environment, when I joined the group I had my own company
(still do, just not doing much with it currently), but now also work for
ubnt although I am not here to shill for them nor will I involve myself in
discussions about them unless I see something grossly in error. I would
actually rather keep that side of things separate from this group as I
value the relationships here above any employment scenario. My job at ubnt
is actually to engage with operators and try to find a better way to create
and maintain relationships with them. I hope to take all the past failures
and criticisms and present them with a plan on how to be better at that
side of things. I actually prefer to hear the bad stuff as that is what I
can use to help change things, hopefully. I don't want this to turn into a
discussion about the company, but if you want to talk about products or
anything other than the lawsuit, feel free to reach out to me privately. I
just don't want to seem like the enemy lurker.

Best,

Cameron

On Mon, Sep 17, 2018 at 10:11 AM, Bill Prince  wrote:

> Likewise. I hope that he is lurking in incognito mode at least.
>
>
> bp
> 
>
>
> On 9/15/2018 8:44 AM, Jason McKemie wrote:
>
> Yes, he is missed.
>
> On Saturday, September 15, 2018,  wrote:
>
>> Harass, welcome.
>> I hope for the day to see Ken Hohof show up.
>>
>> *From:* Mathew Howard
>> *Sent:* Friday, September 14, 2018 5:58 PM
>> *To:* AFMUG
>> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] AF subscription notification
>>
>> Well, it would only be new lurkers that would get outed, I assume... but
>> yeah, if all we're seeing is an email address, that can be pretty anonymous
>> anyway.
>>
>> I'm not sure what good it would really do us though...  other than give
>> us an opportunity to harass new people.
>>
>> On Fri, Sep 14, 2018 at 4:11 PM  wrote:
>>
>>> Probably best to not out the lurkers.  There are about 500 list members
>>> but only about 10% post.
>>>
>>> *From:* Mathew Howard
>>> *Sent:* Friday, September 14, 2018 3:03 PM
>>> *To:* AFMUG
>>> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] AF subscription notification
>>>
>>> I assume most of the subscribers to this list never actually post
>>> anything. It might be kind of interesting to see who's watching us...
>>>
>>> I imagine there are some people that wouldn't like it, but if they
>>> aren't going to every post anything anyway, do we care?
>>>
>>> On Fri, Sep 14, 2018 at 3:52 PM David Coudron <
>>> david.coud...@advantenon.com> wrote:
>>>
>>>> I think enough information is shared feely in this group to warrant
>>>> folks being identified as recipients of the information.   If I were
>>>> signing up, I don’t think it would be unreasonable to be identified as
>>>> being a part of the list given the value of the discussions on the list.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Regards,
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> David Coudron
>>>>
>>>> *From:* AF  *On Behalf Of *Adam Moffett
>>>> *Sent:* Friday, September 14, 2018 3:34 PM
>>>> *To:* af@af.afmug.com
>>>> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] AF subscription notification
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> A manufacturer rep might prefer to quietly lurk and observeor a
>>>> government rep.
>>>>
>>>> Nobody is entitled to privacy in a public forum, but I'm sure some
>>>> would prefer it.
>>>>
>>>> -Adam
>>>>
>>>> On 9/14/2018 1:53 PM, ch...@wbmfg.com wrote:
>>>>
>>>> xx...@.xxx has been successfully subscribed to AF.
>>>>
>>>> I am thinking of posting this when new people join.
>>>>
>>>> Or do new list subscribers deserve to remain incognito until they out
>>>> themselves?
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
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Re: [AFMUG] AF subscription notification

[Bill Prince]

  
  
Likewise. I hope that he is lurking in incognito mode at least.


bp



On 9/15/2018 8:44 AM, Jason McKemie
  wrote:


  
  Yes, he is missed.
  
  On Saturday, September 15, 2018, <ch...@wbmfg.com>
  wrote:
  

  

  Harass, welcome.
  I hope for the day to see Ken Hohof show up.  
  

   
  
From: Mathew Howard 
Sent: Friday, September 14, 2018 5:58 PM
To: AFMUG 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] AF subscription
  notification
  

 
  
  
Well, it would only be new lurkers that
  would get outed, I assume... but yeah, if all we're
  seeing is an email address, that can be pretty
  anonymous anyway.
   
  I'm not sure what good it would really do us
though...  other than give us an opportunity to
harass new people.

 

  On Fri, Sep 14, 2018 at 4:11 PM <ch...@wbmfg.com>
wrote:
  
  

  

  Probably best to not out the lurkers. 
There are about 500 list members but only
about 10% post.  
  

   
  
From: Mathew Howard

Sent: Friday, September 14,
  2018 3:03 PM
To: AFMUG 
    Subject: Re: [AFMUG] AF
  subscription notification
  

 
  
  

  I assume most of the subscribers to
this list never actually post anything.
It might be kind of interesting to see
who's watching us...
   
  I imagine there are some people that
wouldn't like it, but if they aren't
going to every post anything anyway, do
we care?
  

 

  On Fri, Sep 14, 2018 at
3:52 PM David Coudron <david.coud...@advantenon.com>
wrote:
  
  

  
I think
enough information is shared
feely in this group to warrant
folks being identified as
recipients of the information.  
If I were signing up, I don’t
think it would be unreasonable
to be identified as being a part
of the list given the value of
the discussions on the list.
 
Regards,
 
David
Coudron

  
From: AF
<af-boun...@af.afmug.com>
On Behalf Of Adam
Moffett
Sent: Friday,
September 14, 2018 3:34 PM
To: af@af.afmug.com
        Subject: Re: [AFMUG]
    AF subscription notification
  

 
A
  manuf

Re: [AFMUG] AF subscription notification

[Steve Jones]

if sni...@ubnt.com signs up, let us know
tell ken im sorry

On Sat, Sep 15, 2018 at 10:45 AM Jason McKemie <
j.mcke...@veloxinetbroadband.com> wrote:

> Yes, he is missed.
>
> On Saturday, September 15, 2018,  wrote:
>
>> Harass, welcome.
>> I hope for the day to see Ken Hohof show up.
>>
>> *From:* Mathew Howard
>> *Sent:* Friday, September 14, 2018 5:58 PM
>> *To:* AFMUG
>> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] AF subscription notification
>>
>> Well, it would only be new lurkers that would get outed, I assume... but
>> yeah, if all we're seeing is an email address, that can be pretty anonymous
>> anyway.
>>
>> I'm not sure what good it would really do us though...  other than give
>> us an opportunity to harass new people.
>>
>> On Fri, Sep 14, 2018 at 4:11 PM  wrote:
>>
>>> Probably best to not out the lurkers.  There are about 500 list members
>>> but only about 10% post.
>>>
>>> *From:* Mathew Howard
>>> *Sent:* Friday, September 14, 2018 3:03 PM
>>> *To:* AFMUG
>>> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] AF subscription notification
>>>
>>> I assume most of the subscribers to this list never actually post
>>> anything. It might be kind of interesting to see who's watching us...
>>>
>>> I imagine there are some people that wouldn't like it, but if they
>>> aren't going to every post anything anyway, do we care?
>>>
>>> On Fri, Sep 14, 2018 at 3:52 PM David Coudron <
>>> david.coud...@advantenon.com> wrote:
>>>
>>>> I think enough information is shared feely in this group to warrant
>>>> folks being identified as recipients of the information.   If I were
>>>> signing up, I don’t think it would be unreasonable to be identified as
>>>> being a part of the list given the value of the discussions on the list.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Regards,
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> David Coudron
>>>>
>>>> *From:* AF  *On Behalf Of *Adam Moffett
>>>> *Sent:* Friday, September 14, 2018 3:34 PM
>>>> *To:* af@af.afmug.com
>>>> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] AF subscription notification
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> A manufacturer rep might prefer to quietly lurk and observeor a
>>>> government rep.
>>>>
>>>> Nobody is entitled to privacy in a public forum, but I'm sure some
>>>> would prefer it.
>>>>
>>>> -Adam
>>>>
>>>> On 9/14/2018 1:53 PM, ch...@wbmfg.com wrote:
>>>>
>>>> xx...@.xxx has been successfully subscribed to AF.
>>>>
>>>> I am thinking of posting this when new people join.
>>>>
>>>> Or do new list subscribers deserve to remain incognito until they out
>>>> themselves?
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
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Re: [AFMUG] AF subscription notification

[Jason McKemie]

Yes, he is missed.

On Saturday, September 15, 2018,  wrote:

> Harass, welcome.
> I hope for the day to see Ken Hohof show up.
>
> *From:* Mathew Howard
> *Sent:* Friday, September 14, 2018 5:58 PM
> *To:* AFMUG
> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] AF subscription notification
>
> Well, it would only be new lurkers that would get outed, I assume... but
> yeah, if all we're seeing is an email address, that can be pretty anonymous
> anyway.
>
> I'm not sure what good it would really do us though...  other than give us
> an opportunity to harass new people.
>
> On Fri, Sep 14, 2018 at 4:11 PM  wrote:
>
>> Probably best to not out the lurkers.  There are about 500 list members
>> but only about 10% post.
>>
>> *From:* Mathew Howard
>> *Sent:* Friday, September 14, 2018 3:03 PM
>> *To:* AFMUG
>> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] AF subscription notification
>>
>> I assume most of the subscribers to this list never actually post
>> anything. It might be kind of interesting to see who's watching us...
>>
>> I imagine there are some people that wouldn't like it, but if they aren't
>> going to every post anything anyway, do we care?
>>
>> On Fri, Sep 14, 2018 at 3:52 PM David Coudron <
>> david.coud...@advantenon.com> wrote:
>>
>>> I think enough information is shared feely in this group to warrant
>>> folks being identified as recipients of the information.   If I were
>>> signing up, I don’t think it would be unreasonable to be identified as
>>> being a part of the list given the value of the discussions on the list.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Regards,
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> David Coudron
>>>
>>> *From:* AF  *On Behalf Of *Adam Moffett
>>> *Sent:* Friday, September 14, 2018 3:34 PM
>>> *To:* af@af.afmug.com
>>> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] AF subscription notification
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> A manufacturer rep might prefer to quietly lurk and observeor a
>>> government rep.
>>>
>>> Nobody is entitled to privacy in a public forum, but I'm sure some
>>> would prefer it.
>>>
>>> -Adam
>>>
>>> On 9/14/2018 1:53 PM, ch...@wbmfg.com wrote:
>>>
>>> xx...@.xxx has been successfully subscribed to AF.
>>>
>>> I am thinking of posting this when new people join.
>>>
>>> Or do new list subscribers deserve to remain incognito until they out
>>> themselves?
>>>
>>>
>>>
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Re: [AFMUG] AF subscription notification

[chuck]

Harass, welcome.
I hope for the day to see Ken Hohof show up.  

From: Mathew Howard 
Sent: Friday, September 14, 2018 5:58 PM
To: AFMUG 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] AF subscription notification

Well, it would only be new lurkers that would get outed, I assume... but yeah, 
if all we're seeing is an email address, that can be pretty anonymous anyway. 

I'm not sure what good it would really do us though...  other than give us an 
opportunity to harass new people.

On Fri, Sep 14, 2018 at 4:11 PM  wrote:

  Probably best to not out the lurkers.  There are about 500 list members but 
only about 10% post.  

  From: Mathew Howard 
  Sent: Friday, September 14, 2018 3:03 PM
  To: AFMUG 
  Subject: Re: [AFMUG] AF subscription notification

  I assume most of the subscribers to this list never actually post anything. 
It might be kind of interesting to see who's watching us...

  I imagine there are some people that wouldn't like it, but if they aren't 
going to every post anything anyway, do we care?


  On Fri, Sep 14, 2018 at 3:52 PM David Coudron  
wrote:

I think enough information is shared feely in this group to warrant folks 
being identified as recipients of the information.   If I were signing up, I 
don’t think it would be unreasonable to be identified as being a part of the 
list given the value of the discussions on the list.



Regards,



David Coudron

From: AF  On Behalf Of Adam Moffett
Sent: Friday, September 14, 2018 3:34 PM
To: af@af.afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] AF subscription notification



A manufacturer rep might prefer to quietly lurk and observeor a 
government rep.

Nobody is entitled to privacy in a public forum, but I'm sure some would 
prefer it.

-Adam



On 9/14/2018 1:53 PM, ch...@wbmfg.com wrote:

  xx...@.xxx has been successfully subscribed to AF. 

  I am thinking of posting this when new people join. 

  Or do new list subscribers deserve to remain incognito until they out 
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Re: [AFMUG] AF subscription notification

[chuck]

I have to personally approve every subscription but I have no clue as to who 
they are.  Everyone gets in.  No cover charge.  

From: Donnie McCorkle 
Sent: Friday, September 14, 2018 5:53 PM
To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] AF subscription notification

Anonymity isnt a problem.  Can sign up with any email right?   Or is there a 
manual screener?


/continuelurking


 Original message 
From: Chuck Hogg  
Date: 9/14/18 4:24 PM (GMT-06:00) 
To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group  
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] AF subscription notification 




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Re: [AFMUG] AF subscription notification

[can...@believewireless.net]

My fear would be that someone would start havesting the e-mails for
spamming.

On Fri, Sep 14, 2018 at 7:58 PM, Mathew Howard  wrote:

> Well, it would only be new lurkers that would get outed, I assume... but
> yeah, if all we're seeing is an email address, that can be pretty anonymous
> anyway.
>
> I'm not sure what good it would really do us though...  other than give us
> an opportunity to harass new people.
>
> On Fri, Sep 14, 2018 at 4:11 PM  wrote:
>
>> Probably best to not out the lurkers.  There are about 500 list members
>> but only about 10% post.
>>
>> *From:* Mathew Howard
>> *Sent:* Friday, September 14, 2018 3:03 PM
>> *To:* AFMUG
>> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] AF subscription notification
>>
>> I assume most of the subscribers to this list never actually post
>> anything. It might be kind of interesting to see who's watching us...
>>
>> I imagine there are some people that wouldn't like it, but if they aren't
>> going to every post anything anyway, do we care?
>>
>> On Fri, Sep 14, 2018 at 3:52 PM David Coudron <
>> david.coud...@advantenon.com> wrote:
>>
>>> I think enough information is shared feely in this group to warrant
>>> folks being identified as recipients of the information.   If I were
>>> signing up, I don’t think it would be unreasonable to be identified as
>>> being a part of the list given the value of the discussions on the list.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Regards,
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> David Coudron
>>>
>>> *From:* AF  *On Behalf Of *Adam Moffett
>>> *Sent:* Friday, September 14, 2018 3:34 PM
>>> *To:* af@af.afmug.com
>>> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] AF subscription notification
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> A manufacturer rep might prefer to quietly lurk and observeor a
>>> government rep.
>>>
>>> Nobody is entitled to privacy in a public forum, but I'm sure some
>>> would prefer it.
>>>
>>> -Adam
>>>
>>> On 9/14/2018 1:53 PM, ch...@wbmfg.com wrote:
>>>
>>> xx...@.xxx has been successfully subscribed to AF.
>>>
>>> I am thinking of posting this when new people join.
>>>
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Re: [AFMUG] AF subscription notification

[Mathew Howard]

Well, it would only be new lurkers that would get outed, I assume... but
yeah, if all we're seeing is an email address, that can be pretty anonymous
anyway.

I'm not sure what good it would really do us though...  other than give us
an opportunity to harass new people.

On Fri, Sep 14, 2018 at 4:11 PM  wrote:

> Probably best to not out the lurkers.  There are about 500 list members
> but only about 10% post.
>
> *From:* Mathew Howard
> *Sent:* Friday, September 14, 2018 3:03 PM
> *To:* AFMUG
> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] AF subscription notification
>
> I assume most of the subscribers to this list never actually post
> anything. It might be kind of interesting to see who's watching us...
>
> I imagine there are some people that wouldn't like it, but if they aren't
> going to every post anything anyway, do we care?
>
> On Fri, Sep 14, 2018 at 3:52 PM David Coudron <
> david.coud...@advantenon.com> wrote:
>
>> I think enough information is shared feely in this group to warrant folks
>> being identified as recipients of the information.   If I were signing up,
>> I don’t think it would be unreasonable to be identified as being a part of
>> the list given the value of the discussions on the list.
>>
>>
>>
>> Regards,
>>
>>
>>
>> David Coudron
>>
>> *From:* AF  *On Behalf Of *Adam Moffett
>> *Sent:* Friday, September 14, 2018 3:34 PM
>> *To:* af@af.afmug.com
>> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] AF subscription notification
>>
>>
>>
>> A manufacturer rep might prefer to quietly lurk and observeor a
>> government rep.
>>
>> Nobody is entitled to privacy in a public forum, but I'm sure some would
>> prefer it.
>>
>> -Adam
>>
>> On 9/14/2018 1:53 PM, ch...@wbmfg.com wrote:
>>
>> xx...@.xxx has been successfully subscribed to AF.
>>
>> I am thinking of posting this when new people join.
>>
>> Or do new list subscribers deserve to remain incognito until they out
>> themselves?
>>
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Re: [AFMUG] AF subscription notification

[Donnie McCorkle]

Anonymity isnt a problem.  Can sign up with any email right?   Or is there a 
manual screener?

/continuelurking

 Original message 
From: Chuck Hogg  
Date: 9/14/18  4:24 PM  (GMT-06:00) To: AnimalFarm 
Microwave Users Group  Subject: Re: [AFMUG] AF 
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Re: [AFMUG] AF subscription notification

[Chuck Hogg]

There should be a member's list accessible by password to see who is on the
list.

On Fri, Sep 14, 2018 at 5:09 PM,  wrote:

> Probably best to not out the lurkers.  There are about 500 list members
> but only about 10% post.
>
> *From:* Mathew Howard
> *Sent:* Friday, September 14, 2018 3:03 PM
> *To:* AFMUG
> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] AF subscription notification
>
> I assume most of the subscribers to this list never actually post
> anything. It might be kind of interesting to see who's watching us...
>
> I imagine there are some people that wouldn't like it, but if they aren't
> going to every post anything anyway, do we care?
>
> On Fri, Sep 14, 2018 at 3:52 PM David Coudron <
> david.coud...@advantenon.com> wrote:
>
>> I think enough information is shared feely in this group to warrant folks
>> being identified as recipients of the information.   If I were signing up,
>> I don’t think it would be unreasonable to be identified as being a part of
>> the list given the value of the discussions on the list.
>>
>>
>>
>> Regards,
>>
>>
>>
>> David Coudron
>>
>> *From:* AF  *On Behalf Of *Adam Moffett
>> *Sent:* Friday, September 14, 2018 3:34 PM
>> *To:* af@af.afmug.com
>> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] AF subscription notification
>>
>>
>>
>> A manufacturer rep might prefer to quietly lurk and observeor a
>> government rep.
>>
>> Nobody is entitled to privacy in a public forum, but I'm sure some would
>> prefer it.
>>
>> -Adam
>>
>> On 9/14/2018 1:53 PM, ch...@wbmfg.com wrote:
>>
>> xx...@.xxx has been successfully subscribed to AF.
>>
>> I am thinking of posting this when new people join.
>>
>> Or do new list subscribers deserve to remain incognito until they out
>> themselves?
>>
>>
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Re: [AFMUG] AF subscription notification

[chuck]

Probably best to not out the lurkers.  There are about 500 list members but 
only about 10% post.  

From: Mathew Howard 
Sent: Friday, September 14, 2018 3:03 PM
To: AFMUG 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] AF subscription notification

I assume most of the subscribers to this list never actually post anything. It 
might be kind of interesting to see who's watching us...

I imagine there are some people that wouldn't like it, but if they aren't going 
to every post anything anyway, do we care?


On Fri, Sep 14, 2018 at 3:52 PM David Coudron  
wrote:

  I think enough information is shared feely in this group to warrant folks 
being identified as recipients of the information.   If I were signing up, I 
don’t think it would be unreasonable to be identified as being a part of the 
list given the value of the discussions on the list.



  Regards,



  David Coudron

  From: AF  On Behalf Of Adam Moffett
  Sent: Friday, September 14, 2018 3:34 PM
  To: af@af.afmug.com
  Subject: Re: [AFMUG] AF subscription notification



  A manufacturer rep might prefer to quietly lurk and observeor a 
government rep.

  Nobody is entitled to privacy in a public forum, but I'm sure some would 
prefer it.

  -Adam



  On 9/14/2018 1:53 PM, ch...@wbmfg.com wrote:

xx...@.xxx has been successfully subscribed to AF. 

I am thinking of posting this when new people join. 

Or do new list subscribers deserve to remain incognito until they out 
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Re: [AFMUG] AF subscription notification

[Mathew Howard]

I assume most of the subscribers to this list never actually post anything.
It might be kind of interesting to see who's watching us...

I imagine there are some people that wouldn't like it, but if they aren't
going to every post anything anyway, do we care?

On Fri, Sep 14, 2018 at 3:52 PM David Coudron 
wrote:

> I think enough information is shared feely in this group to warrant folks
> being identified as recipients of the information.   If I were signing up,
> I don’t think it would be unreasonable to be identified as being a part of
> the list given the value of the discussions on the list.
>
>
>
> Regards,
>
>
>
> David Coudron
>
> *From:* AF  *On Behalf Of *Adam Moffett
> *Sent:* Friday, September 14, 2018 3:34 PM
> *To:* af@af.afmug.com
> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] AF subscription notification
>
>
>
> A manufacturer rep might prefer to quietly lurk and observeor a
> government rep.
>
> Nobody is entitled to privacy in a public forum, but I'm sure some would
> prefer it.
>
> -Adam
>
> On 9/14/2018 1:53 PM, ch...@wbmfg.com wrote:
>
> xx...@.xxx has been successfully subscribed to AF.
>
> I am thinking of posting this when new people join.
>
> Or do new list subscribers deserve to remain incognito until they out
> themselves?
>
>
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Re: [AFMUG] AF subscription notification

[David Coudron]

I think enough information is shared feely in this group to warrant folks being 
identified as recipients of the information.   If I were signing up, I don’t 
think it would be unreasonable to be identified as being a part of the list 
given the value of the discussions on the list.

Regards,

David Coudron
From: AF  On Behalf Of Adam Moffett
Sent: Friday, September 14, 2018 3:34 PM
To: af@af.afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] AF subscription notification

A manufacturer rep might prefer to quietly lurk and observeor a government 
rep.

Nobody is entitled to privacy in a public forum, but I'm sure some would prefer 
it.

-Adam

On 9/14/2018 1:53 PM, ch...@wbmfg.com<mailto:ch...@wbmfg.com> wrote:
xx...@.xxx<mailto:xx...@.xxx> has been successfully subscribed to AF.

I am thinking of posting this when new people join.

Or do new list subscribers deserve to remain incognito until they out 
themselves?



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Re: [AFMUG] AF subscription notification

[Adam Moffett]

A manufacturer rep might prefer to quietly lurk and observeor a 
government rep.


Nobody is entitled to//privacy in a public forum, but I'm sure some 
would prefer it.


-Adam


On 9/14/2018 1:53 PM, ch...@wbmfg.com wrote:

xx...@.xxx has been successfully subscribed to AF.

I am thinking of posting this when new people join.

Or do new list subscribers deserve to remain incognito until they out 
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