Re: [AFMUG] problems with Youtube intermittent
Asking if Youtube is having problems is pretty vague without more information. Their content delivery is very ‘segmented’ per region and sometimes per provider. What does the output of http://redirector.c.youtube.com/report_mapping show you? Paul From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Paul McCall Sent: Tuesday, April 7, 2015 10:36 PM To: af@afmug.com Cc: All Users Subject: Re: [AFMUG] problems with Youtube intermittent Looks like its just certain parts of the country… https://downdetector.com/status/youtube From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Josh Luthman Sent: Tuesday, April 07, 2015 10:23 PM To: af@afmug.com mailto:af@afmug.com Subject: Re: [AFMUG] problems with Youtube intermittent No reports and a couple videos work for me. Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373 On Apr 7, 2015 10:22 PM, Paul McCall pa...@pdmnet.net mailto:pa...@pdmnet.net wrote: Anybody seeing Youtube having some challenges this evening? Paul McCall, Pres. PDMNet / Florida Broadband 658 Old Dixie Highway Vero Beach, FL 32962 772-564-6800 tel:772-564-6800 office 772-473-0352 tel:772-473-0352 cell www.pdmnet.com http://www.pdmnet.com/ pa...@pdmnet.net mailto:pa...@pdmnet.net
Re: [AFMUG] Planet Switch Packet Loss
I tried the same experiment. The Rb2011 was almost unusable with the planet. I'm curious about 6.28 as well however has anyone confirmed it's meant to address this issue? On Apr 7, 2015 10:42 AM, Jason McKemie j.mcke...@veloxinetbroadband.com wrote: I did some more testing with this. With the Planet linked to a RB2011 via SFP I get even worse packet loss than with the CCR. With the RB2011 linked to the CCR via SFP I get no packet loss. With the Planet linked to a Cisco router via SFP I also get no packet loss. So it looks like I'm not going to be able to use the Planet with Mikrotik, which is a problem because Mikrotik is my preferred router for most things. I haven't tried loading 6.28RC onto the CCR since I'm a bit wary of experimenting with pre-releases on a production router. On Mon, Apr 6, 2015 at 12:21 PM, cjwstudios cjwstud...@gmail.com wrote: It could be a combination of the Ccr and planet. I just pray I don't have to reboot the Ccr because I know it will be a long night. On Apr 5, 2015 7:45 PM, Jason McKemie j.mcke...@veloxinetbroadband.com wrote: So, in summary, it is probably the CCR or a combination of the CCR and the planet? Am I going to have to go with x86 to get something powerful with multiple SFPs that is stable? On Sunday, April 5, 2015, cjwstudios cjwstud...@gmail.com wrote: I have the exact same setup and problem except with planet sfps on the planet side and tik sfps on the Ccr side. Planet told me it was my fiber run so I bought a new $500 certified run which did not fix the problem. Rebooting the Ccr 15-20 times usually does. On Mar 30, 2015 9:26 PM, Jason McKemie j.mcke...@veloxinetbroadband.com wrote: I'm trying to link up a Planet industrial ethernet switch (IGS-10020MT) with a CCR via SFP ports and bidi optics. I'm getting packet loss (~5%) and the receive errors are incrementing steadily on the switch. Any ideas what I can check here? Do these not work well with generic bidi optics? -Jason
Re: [AFMUG] hackers/hacking, meh
I get calls on this all the time. 99.999% of the time it is spyware. I've worked on about four legitimate hacks since 93. - Original Message - From: That One Guy /sarcasm To: af@afmug.com Sent: Wednesday, April 08, 2015 11:10 AM Subject: [AFMUG] hackers/hacking, meh http://www.bostonglobe.com/business/2015/04/06/tewksbury-police-pay-bitcoin-ransom-hackers/PkcE1GBTOfU52p31F9FM5L/story.html This type of fluff article irritates me. That abuse of the term hacking/hacker is comparable to the abuse of the term engineer. my facebook got hacked!! no it didnt, you left your device signed in or you followed a phishing link, you werent hacked, your ignorance was exploited with zero knowledge that you even exist a hacker encrypted my data no, in all likelyhood, a script kiddie out there altered code from an existing ransomeware package to become the beneficiary of your ignorance in opening suspect attachments and profited by your inability to follow the simple instruction:back that shit up. no hackers involved In terms of technical prowess, and both the criminal and white hat environment, hack and hacker used to garner some respect, now the terms are so misused they have no value. This is just going to leave me very irritated the rest of the day -- If you only see yourself as part of the team but you don't see your team as part of yourself you have already failed as part of the team.
[AFMUG] sonic.net values privacy - i guess if you have $$ you can stand up to uncle sam
http://www.dailydot.com/politics/sonic-isp-privacy/ great article!
Re: [AFMUG] problems with Youtube intermittent
There’s a document somewhere that explains this better.. have to find out if it’s public or not …. From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Mike Hammett Sent: Wednesday, April 8, 2015 10:31 AM To: af@afmug.com Subject: Re: [AFMUG] problems with Youtube intermittent 65.182.164.62 = ord30s17 : router: pr01.ord12 next_hop_address: 127.0.0.1 (65.182.164.0/23) [u] My IP address is 65.182.164.62. I'm going off of the ord30s17 server (probably server 17 in rack or pod 30 in Chicago). That server is probably talking to pr01.ord12 or I'm coming in on pr01.ord12. Not sure what the next_hop being the local loopback means. Then is my subnet advertised to the Internets. Not sure what U means. - Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions http://www.ics-il.com https://www.facebook.com/ICSIL https://plus.google.com/+IntelligentComputingSolutionsDeKalb https://www.linkedin.com/company/intelligent-computing-solutions https://twitter.com/ICSIL _ From: Josh Luthman j...@imaginenetworksllc.com mailto:j...@imaginenetworksllc.com To: af@afmug.com mailto:af@afmug.com Sent: Wednesday, April 8, 2015 9:23:34 AM Subject: Re: [AFMUG] problems with Youtube intermittent It tells me: 74.218.208.210 = ord31s13 : router: pr03.ord12 next_hop_address: 127.0.0.1 (74.218.208.0/20 http://74.218.208.0/20 ) I don't understand what it's saying? Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373 On Wed, Apr 8, 2015 at 10:22 AM, Glen Waldrop gwl...@cngwireless.net mailto:gwl...@cngwireless.net wrote: Not sure what it is suppose to show, but it looks like it is blaming the problem on a subnet that isn't through my tracert or involved in my network in any way. - Original Message - From: Paul Stewart mailto:p...@paulstewart.org To: af@afmug.com mailto:af@afmug.com Sent: Wednesday, April 08, 2015 5:24 AM Subject: Re: [AFMUG] problems with Youtube intermittent Asking if Youtube is having problems is pretty vague without more information. Their content delivery is very ‘segmented’ per region and sometimes per provider. What does the output of http://redirector.c.youtube.com/report_mapping show you? Paul From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com ] On Behalf Of Paul McCall Sent: Tuesday, April 7, 2015 10:36 PM To: af@afmug.com mailto:af@afmug.com Cc: All Users Subject: Re: [AFMUG] problems with Youtube intermittent Looks like its just certain parts of the country… https://downdetector.com/status/youtube From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Josh Luthman Sent: Tuesday, April 07, 2015 10:23 PM To: af@afmug.com mailto:af@afmug.com Subject: Re: [AFMUG] problems with Youtube intermittent No reports and a couple videos work for me. Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340 tel:937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343 tel:937-552-2343 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373 On Apr 7, 2015 10:22 PM, Paul McCall pa...@pdmnet.net mailto:pa...@pdmnet.net wrote: Anybody seeing Youtube having some challenges this evening? Paul McCall, Pres. PDMNet / Florida Broadband 658 Old Dixie Highway Vero Beach, FL 32962 772-564-6800 tel:772-564-6800 office 772-473-0352 tel:772-473-0352 cell www.pdmnet.com http://www.pdmnet.com/ pa...@pdmnet.net mailto:pa...@pdmnet.net
Re: [AFMUG] Dumb shunt question
Two meters in series is going to give you a odd reading that is the ratio of the impedance of the two meters. It's not going to be anything usable, though it will be consistent if you can figure the correction factor. Also - the thermocouple may not be an actual thermocouple. A lot of the temperature sensors are actually RTD's (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Resistance_thermometer). Mark On 4/8/15 9:53 AM, Adam Moffett wrote: Since I'm asking dumb questions: Does having two volt meters in series significantly affect the reading? V=IR implies that it should, because presumably the second volt meter adds a little more resistance. I have a battery charger with temperature compensation, so it comes with a thermocouple that you put near the batteries. I thought it would be convenient to wire a site monitor volt meter in series with it so I could record whatever readings the battery charger is getting. A shunt on AC will give you an AC voltage proportional to AC current. If your monitoring device is OK with AC input then, yes, you can do it that way. But if it is a sitemonitor, I don't think it will like AC so much. And the output will have reference to the AC, in other words it will be hot. Normally you use a current transformer to measure AC. You can follow up the current transformer with a diode bridge and cap or get one that has a DC output. This might work: http://www.phidgets.com/products.php?product_id=3502 Not sure the range of the inputs but yes, if an input has a voltage range that will cover your thermocouple it will indeed read it. -Original Message- From: Adam Moffett Sent: Tuesday, April 07, 2015 1:20 PM To: af@afmug.com Subject: [AFMUG] Dumb shunt question This might be a dumb question: Can I use a packetflux current shunt to measure current on AC, or are they strictly for DC? Ok, I have a second dumb question: The shunt input on a Site Monitor II is just measuring microvolts right? So if I'm not using it for a shunt, can I instead use that for a thermocouple temperature probe?
Re: [AFMUG] problems with Youtube intermittent
I own ALL yo YOUTUBES :) LOL On 04/08/2015 10:42 AM, Josh Luthman wrote: And the rest of it? Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373 On Wed, Apr 8, 2015 at 11:41 AM, Paul Stewart p...@paulstewart.org mailto:p...@paulstewart.org wrote: Ok .. try this if you want to know where it is: Traceroute r1.ord30s17.c.youtube.com http://r1.ord30s17.c.youtube.com J I can’t remember that “r1” is … believe it’s “region 1” Paul *From:*Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] *On Behalf Of *Ken Hohhof *Sent:* Wednesday, April 8, 2015 10:35 AM *To:* af@afmug.com mailto:af@afmug.com *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] problems with Youtube intermittent It seems to be saying your nearest content server is in Chicago (ORD=OHare). Here in the Chicago suburbs on ATT UVerse, I get 99.67.197.47 = ord30s17 : router: pr02.ord12 next_hop_address: 127.0.0.1 (99.67.128.0/17 http://99.67.128.0/17) *From:*Josh Luthman mailto:j...@imaginenetworksllc.com *Sent:*Wednesday, April 08, 2015 9:23 AM *To:*af@afmug.com mailto:af@afmug.com *Subject:*Re: [AFMUG] problems with Youtube intermittent It tells me: 74.218.208.210 = ord31s13 : router: pr03.ord12 next_hop_address: 127.0.0.1 (74.218.208.0/20 http://74.218.208.0/20) I don't understand what it's saying? Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340 tel:937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343 tel:937-552-2343 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373 On Wed, Apr 8, 2015 at 10:22 AM, Glen Waldrop gwl...@cngwireless.net mailto:gwl...@cngwireless.net wrote: Not sure what it is suppose to show, but it looks like it is blaming the problem on a subnet that isn't through my tracert or involved in my network in any way. - Original Message - *From:*Paul Stewart mailto:p...@paulstewart.org *To:*af@afmug.com mailto:af@afmug.com *Sent:*Wednesday, April 08, 2015 5:24 AM *Subject:*Re: [AFMUG] problems with Youtube intermittent Asking if Youtube is having problems is pretty vague without more information. Their content delivery is very ‘segmented’ per region and sometimes per provider. What does the output of http://redirector.c.youtube.com/report_mapping show you? Paul *From:*Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] *On Behalf Of *Paul McCall *Sent:* Tuesday, April 7, 2015 10:36 PM *To:* af@afmug.com mailto:af@afmug.com *Cc:* All Users *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] problems with Youtube intermittent Looks like its just certain parts of the country… https://downdetector.com/status/youtube *From:*Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] *On Behalf Of *Josh Luthman *Sent:* Tuesday, April 07, 2015 10:23 PM *To:* af@afmug.com mailto:af@afmug.com *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] problems with Youtube intermittent No reports and a couple videos work for me. Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340 tel:937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343 tel:937-552-2343 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373 On Apr 7, 2015 10:22 PM, Paul McCall pa...@pdmnet.net mailto:pa...@pdmnet.net wrote: Anybody seeing Youtube having some challenges this evening? Paul McCall, Pres. PDMNet / Florida Broadband 658 Old Dixie Highway Vero Beach, FL 32962 772-564-6800 tel:772-564-6800 office 772-473-0352 tel:772-473-0352 cell www.pdmnet.com http://www.pdmnet.com/ pa...@pdmnet.net mailto:pa...@pdmnet.net
Re: [AFMUG] problems with Youtube intermittent
And the rest of it? Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373 On Wed, Apr 8, 2015 at 11:41 AM, Paul Stewart p...@paulstewart.org wrote: Ok .. try this if you want to know where it is: Traceroute r1.ord30s17.c.youtube.com J I can’t remember that “r1” is … believe it’s “region 1” Paul *From:* Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] *On Behalf Of *Ken Hohhof *Sent:* Wednesday, April 8, 2015 10:35 AM *To:* af@afmug.com *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] problems with Youtube intermittent It seems to be saying your nearest content server is in Chicago (ORD=OHare). Here in the Chicago suburbs on ATT UVerse, I get 99.67.197.47 = ord30s17 : router: pr02.ord12 next_hop_address: 127.0.0.1 (99.67.128.0/17) *From:* Josh Luthman j...@imaginenetworksllc.com *Sent:* Wednesday, April 08, 2015 9:23 AM *To:* af@afmug.com *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] problems with Youtube intermittent It tells me: 74.218.208.210 = ord31s13 : router: pr03.ord12 next_hop_address: 127.0.0.1 (74.218.208.0/20) I don't understand what it's saying? Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373 On Wed, Apr 8, 2015 at 10:22 AM, Glen Waldrop gwl...@cngwireless.net wrote: Not sure what it is suppose to show, but it looks like it is blaming the problem on a subnet that isn't through my tracert or involved in my network in any way. - Original Message - *From:* Paul Stewart p...@paulstewart.org *To:* af@afmug.com *Sent:* Wednesday, April 08, 2015 5:24 AM *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] problems with Youtube intermittent Asking if Youtube is having problems is pretty vague without more information. Their content delivery is very ‘segmented’ per region and sometimes per provider. What does the output of http://redirector.c.youtube.com/report_mapping show you? Paul *From:* Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] *On Behalf Of *Paul McCall *Sent:* Tuesday, April 7, 2015 10:36 PM *To:* af@afmug.com *Cc:* All Users *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] problems with Youtube intermittent Looks like its just certain parts of the country… https://downdetector.com/status/youtube *From:* Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com af-boun...@afmug.com] *On Behalf Of *Josh Luthman *Sent:* Tuesday, April 07, 2015 10:23 PM *To:* af@afmug.com *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] problems with Youtube intermittent No reports and a couple videos work for me. Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373 On Apr 7, 2015 10:22 PM, Paul McCall pa...@pdmnet.net wrote: Anybody seeing Youtube having some challenges this evening? Paul McCall, Pres. PDMNet / Florida Broadband 658 Old Dixie Highway Vero Beach, FL 32962 772-564-6800 office 772-473-0352 cell www.pdmnet.com pa...@pdmnet.net
Re: [AFMUG] problems with Youtube intermittent
Sorry – no idea on that one…. From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Josh Luthman Sent: Wednesday, April 8, 2015 11:51 AM To: af@afmug.com Subject: Re: [AFMUG] problems with Youtube intermittent This part: router: pr03.ord12 next_hop_address: 127.0.0.1 ( http://74.218.208.0/20 74.218.208.0/20) Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373 On Wed, Apr 8, 2015 at 11:46 AM, Paul Stewart p...@paulstewart.org mailto:p...@paulstewart.org wrote: Ok … had to figure this out via Google… (pardon the pun) R1 in this case is basically “server #1” ORD30S17 is a location code for the cluster C is for caching or content Using R1 is safe as there is always a “server #1” per say … There’s some other details around this but can’t share them unfortunately … this should help though -p From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com ] On Behalf Of Josh Luthman Sent: Wednesday, April 8, 2015 11:43 AM To: af@afmug.com mailto:af@afmug.com Subject: Re: [AFMUG] problems with Youtube intermittent And the rest of it? Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340 tel:937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343 tel:937-552-2343 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373 On Wed, Apr 8, 2015 at 11:41 AM, Paul Stewart p...@paulstewart.org mailto:p...@paulstewart.org wrote: Ok .. try this if you want to know where it is: Traceroute r1.ord30s17.c.youtube.com http://r1.ord30s17.c.youtube.com :) I can’t remember that “r1” is … believe it’s “region 1” Paul From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com ] On Behalf Of Ken Hohhof Sent: Wednesday, April 8, 2015 10:35 AM To: af@afmug.com mailto:af@afmug.com Subject: Re: [AFMUG] problems with Youtube intermittent It seems to be saying your nearest content server is in Chicago (ORD=OHare). Here in the Chicago suburbs on ATT UVerse, I get 99.67.197.47 = ord30s17 : router: pr02.ord12 next_hop_address: 127.0.0.1 (99.67.128.0/17 http://99.67.128.0/17 ) From: Josh Luthman mailto:j...@imaginenetworksllc.com Sent: Wednesday, April 08, 2015 9:23 AM To: af@afmug.com mailto:af@afmug.com Subject: Re: [AFMUG] problems with Youtube intermittent It tells me: 74.218.208.210 = ord31s13 : router: pr03.ord12 next_hop_address: 127.0.0.1 (74.218.208.0/20 http://74.218.208.0/20 ) I don't understand what it's saying? Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340 tel:937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343 tel:937-552-2343 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373 On Wed, Apr 8, 2015 at 10:22 AM, Glen Waldrop gwl...@cngwireless.net mailto:gwl...@cngwireless.net wrote: Not sure what it is suppose to show, but it looks like it is blaming the problem on a subnet that isn't through my tracert or involved in my network in any way. - Original Message - From: Paul Stewart mailto:p...@paulstewart.org To: af@afmug.com mailto:af@afmug.com Sent: Wednesday, April 08, 2015 5:24 AM Subject: Re: [AFMUG] problems with Youtube intermittent Asking if Youtube is having problems is pretty vague without more information. Their content delivery is very ‘segmented’ per region and sometimes per provider. What does the output of http://redirector.c.youtube.com/report_mapping show you? Paul From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com ] On Behalf Of Paul McCall Sent: Tuesday, April 7, 2015 10:36 PM To: af@afmug.com mailto:af@afmug.com Cc: All Users Subject: Re: [AFMUG] problems with Youtube intermittent Looks like its just certain parts of the country… https://downdetector.com/status/youtube From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Josh Luthman Sent: Tuesday, April 07, 2015 10:23 PM To: af@afmug.com mailto:af@afmug.com Subject: Re: [AFMUG] problems with Youtube intermittent No reports and a couple videos work for me. Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340 tel:937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343 tel:937-552-2343 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373 On Apr 7, 2015 10:22 PM, Paul McCall pa...@pdmnet.net mailto:pa...@pdmnet.net wrote: Anybody seeing Youtube having some challenges this evening? Paul McCall, Pres. PDMNet / Florida Broadband 658 Old Dixie Highway Vero Beach, FL 32962 772-564-6800 tel:772-564-6800 office 772-473-0352 tel:772-473-0352 cell www.pdmnet.com http://www.pdmnet.com/ pa...@pdmnet.net mailto:pa...@pdmnet.net
Re: [AFMUG] problems with Youtube intermittent
https://peering.google.com/about/ggc.html From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Ken Hohhof Sent: Wednesday, April 8, 2015 11:48 AM To: af@afmug.com Subject: Re: [AFMUG] problems with Youtube intermittent When I torch youtube traffic, rDNS on the IP always seems to come back 1e100.net, not youtube.com. So I wonder if there is the youtube.com website and then the actual content servers. From: Paul Stewart mailto:p...@paulstewart.org Sent: Wednesday, April 08, 2015 10:41 AM To: af@afmug.com mailto:af@afmug.com Subject: Re: [AFMUG] problems with Youtube intermittent Ok .. try this if you want to know where it is: Traceroute r1.ord30s17.c.youtube.com :) I can’t remember that “r1” is … believe it’s “region 1” Paul From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Ken Hohhof Sent: Wednesday, April 8, 2015 10:35 AM To: af@afmug.com mailto:af@afmug.com Subject: Re: [AFMUG] problems with Youtube intermittent It seems to be saying your nearest content server is in Chicago (ORD=OHare). Here in the Chicago suburbs on ATT UVerse, I get 99.67.197.47 = ord30s17 : router: pr02.ord12 next_hop_address: 127.0.0.1 (99.67.128.0/17) From: Josh Luthman mailto:j...@imaginenetworksllc.com Sent: Wednesday, April 08, 2015 9:23 AM To: af@afmug.com mailto:af@afmug.com Subject: Re: [AFMUG] problems with Youtube intermittent It tells me: 74.218.208.210 = ord31s13 : router: pr03.ord12 next_hop_address: 127.0.0.1 (74.218.208.0/20 http://74.218.208.0/20 ) I don't understand what it's saying? Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373 On Wed, Apr 8, 2015 at 10:22 AM, Glen Waldrop gwl...@cngwireless.net mailto:gwl...@cngwireless.net wrote: Not sure what it is suppose to show, but it looks like it is blaming the problem on a subnet that isn't through my tracert or involved in my network in any way. - Original Message - From: Paul Stewart mailto:p...@paulstewart.org To: af@afmug.com mailto:af@afmug.com Sent: Wednesday, April 08, 2015 5:24 AM Subject: Re: [AFMUG] problems with Youtube intermittent Asking if Youtube is having problems is pretty vague without more information. Their content delivery is very ‘segmented’ per region and sometimes per provider. What does the output of http://redirector.c.youtube.com/report_mapping show you? Paul From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com ] On Behalf Of Paul McCall Sent: Tuesday, April 7, 2015 10:36 PM To: af@afmug.com mailto:af@afmug.com Cc: All Users Subject: Re: [AFMUG] problems with Youtube intermittent Looks like its just certain parts of the country… https://downdetector.com/status/youtube From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Josh Luthman Sent: Tuesday, April 07, 2015 10:23 PM To: af@afmug.com mailto:af@afmug.com Subject: Re: [AFMUG] problems with Youtube intermittent No reports and a couple videos work for me. Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340 tel:937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343 tel:937-552-2343 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373 On Apr 7, 2015 10:22 PM, Paul McCall pa...@pdmnet.net mailto:pa...@pdmnet.net wrote: Anybody seeing Youtube having some challenges this evening? Paul McCall, Pres. PDMNet / Florida Broadband 658 Old Dixie Highway Vero Beach, FL 32962 772-564-6800 tel:772-564-6800 office 772-473-0352 tel:772-473-0352 cell www.pdmnet.com http://www.pdmnet.com/ pa...@pdmnet.net mailto:pa...@pdmnet.net
[AFMUG] hackers/hacking, meh
http://www.bostonglobe.com/business/2015/04/06/tewksbury-police-pay-bitcoin-ransom-hackers/PkcE1GBTOfU52p31F9FM5L/story.html This type of fluff article irritates me. That abuse of the term hacking/hacker is comparable to the abuse of the term engineer. my facebook got hacked!! no it didnt, you left your device signed in or you followed a phishing link, you werent hacked, your ignorance was exploited with zero knowledge that you even exist a hacker encrypted my data no, in all likelyhood, a script kiddie out there altered code from an existing ransomeware package to become the beneficiary of your ignorance in opening suspect attachments and profited by your inability to follow the simple instruction:back that shit up. no hackers involved In terms of technical prowess, and both the criminal and white hat environment, hack and hacker used to garner some respect, now the terms are so misused they have no value. This is just going to leave me very irritated the rest of the day -- If you only see yourself as part of the team but you don't see your team as part of yourself you have already failed as part of the team.
Re: [AFMUG] Dumb shunt question
An analog meter is actually showing you the current through the meter.
When you put the probes across a voltage source, the meter typically has
much higher impedance than whatever the voltage is feeding (the load).
At any rate, a volt meter generally has very high impedance, and it only
takes a few milliamps to achieve a full reading. Putting two in series
will double the impedance, and each meter should read half of whatever
voltage there is.
You don't want to put a SiteMonitor in series. You want to put it in
parallel.
bp
part15sbs{at}gmail{dot}com
On 4/8/2015 6:52 AM, Adam Moffett wrote:
Since I'm asking dumb questions:
Does having two volt meters in series significantly affect the
reading? V=IR implies that it should, because presumably the second
volt meter adds a little more resistance.
I have a battery charger with temperature compensation, so it comes
with a thermocouple that you put near the batteries. I thought it
would be convenient to wire a site monitor volt meter in series with
it so I could record whatever readings the battery charger is getting.
A shunt on AC will give you an AC voltage proportional to AC
current. If your monitoring device is OK with AC input then, yes,
you can do it that way. But if it is a sitemonitor, I don't think it
will like AC so much. And the output will have reference to the AC,
in other words it will be hot.
Normally you use a current transformer to measure AC. You can follow
up the current transformer with a diode bridge and cap or get one
that has a DC output.
This might work:
http://www.phidgets.com/products.php?product_id=3502
Not sure the range of the inputs but yes, if an input has a voltage
range that will cover your thermocouple it will indeed read it.
-Original Message- From: Adam Moffett
Sent: Tuesday, April 07, 2015 1:20 PM
To: af@afmug.com
Subject: [AFMUG] Dumb shunt question
This might be a dumb question:
Can I use a packetflux current shunt to measure current on AC, or are
they strictly for DC?
Ok, I have a second dumb question:
The shunt input on a Site Monitor II is just measuring microvolts
right? So if I'm not using it for a shunt, can I instead use that for a
thermocouple temperature probe?
Re: [AFMUG] A5x shipping first? Same for Mimosa version?
I received four AF5X radios from Streakwave yesterday. On Tue, Apr 7, 2015 at 7:28 PM, Josh Luthman j...@imaginenetworksllc.com wrote: I think all the regulars had stock last week. If you didn't preorder you'll want to call early in the morning and hope there's stock. Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373 On Apr 7, 2015 9:27 PM, Jon Langeler jon-ispli...@michwave.net wrote: Who has stock or will likely be shipping first? Sent from my iPhone
Re: [AFMUG] hackers/hacking, meh
ROFL … From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of David Sent: Wednesday, April 8, 2015 12:46 PM To: af@afmug.com Subject: Re: [AFMUG] hackers/hacking, meh Same with credit cards.. I had a guy said someone hacked in a and got is credit card info.. PFFT Please. #1. your in arkansas No one within a 200mile radius even knows how to hack a BASIC secured wifi connection much less be able to decipher the encryption used between payment gateway and the credit card machine. #2. you were probably surfing porn and got a nasty Trojan with std on it which exploited your card when you wanted to see more of the peep show. LOL On 04/08/2015 11:33 AM, Glen Waldrop wrote: I get calls on this all the time. 99.999% of the time it is spyware. I've worked on about four legitimate hacks since 93. - Original Message - From: That One Guy /sarcasm mailto:thatoneguyst...@gmail.com To: af@afmug.com mailto:af@afmug.com Sent: Wednesday, April 08, 2015 11:10 AM Subject: [AFMUG] hackers/hacking, meh http://www.bostonglobe.com/business/2015/04/06/tewksbury-police-pay-bitcoin-ransom-hackers/PkcE1GBTOfU52p31F9FM5L/story.html This type of fluff article irritates me. That abuse of the term hacking/hacker is comparable to the abuse of the term engineer. my facebook got hacked!! no it didnt, you left your device signed in or you followed a phishing link, you werent hacked, your ignorance was exploited with zero knowledge that you even exist a hacker encrypted my data no, in all likelyhood, a script kiddie out there altered code from an existing ransomeware package to become the beneficiary of your ignorance in opening suspect attachments and profited by your inability to follow the simple instruction:back that shit up. no hackers involved In terms of technical prowess, and both the criminal and white hat environment, hack and hacker used to garner some respect, now the terms are so misused they have no value. This is just going to leave me very irritated the rest of the day -- If you only see yourself as part of the team but you don't see your team as part of yourself you have already failed as part of the team.
Re: [AFMUG] Planet Switch Packet Loss
This was just one of their industrial switches. On Wed, Apr 8, 2015 at 8:40 AM, Craig House cr...@totalhighspeed.net wrote: Is this issue with their media converter, switches or both? I just purchased some of the POE+ media converters and have not installed them but this sounds a bit disappointing considering I am using Tik's and was hoping this would clean up the tower boxes some. Craig -- *From: *Mike Hammett af...@ics-il.net *To: *af@afmug.com *Sent: *Wednesday, April 8, 2015 8:36:39 AM *Subject: *Re: [AFMUG] Planet Switch Packet Loss Have you sent a supout to Mikrotik support? - Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions http://www.ics-il.com https://www.facebook.com/ICSIL https://plus.google.com/+IntelligentComputingSolutionsDeKalb https://www.linkedin.com/company/intelligent-computing-solutions https://twitter.com/ICSIL -- *From: *Jason McKemie j.mcke...@veloxinetbroadband.com *To: *af@afmug.com *Sent: *Tuesday, April 7, 2015 12:42:32 PM *Subject: *Re: [AFMUG] Planet Switch Packet Loss I did some more testing with this. With the Planet linked to a RB2011 via SFP I get even worse packet loss than with the CCR. With the RB2011 linked to the CCR via SFP I get no packet loss. With the Planet linked to a Cisco router via SFP I also get no packet loss. So it looks like I'm not going to be able to use the Planet with Mikrotik, which is a problem because Mikrotik is my preferred router for most things. I haven't tried loading 6.28RC onto the CCR since I'm a bit wary of experimenting with pre-releases on a production router. On Mon, Apr 6, 2015 at 12:21 PM, cjwstudios cjwstud...@gmail.com wrote: It could be a combination of the Ccr and planet. I just pray I don't have to reboot the Ccr because I know it will be a long night. On Apr 5, 2015 7:45 PM, Jason McKemie j.mcke...@veloxinetbroadband.com wrote: So, in summary, it is probably the CCR or a combination of the CCR and the planet? Am I going to have to go with x86 to get something powerful with multiple SFPs that is stable? On Sunday, April 5, 2015, cjwstudios cjwstud...@gmail.com wrote: I have the exact same setup and problem except with planet sfps on the planet side and tik sfps on the Ccr side. Planet told me it was my fiber run so I bought a new $500 certified run which did not fix the problem. Rebooting the Ccr 15-20 times usually does. On Mar 30, 2015 9:26 PM, Jason McKemie j.mcke...@veloxinetbroadband.com wrote: I'm trying to link up a Planet industrial ethernet switch (IGS-10020MT) with a CCR via SFP ports and bidi optics. I'm getting packet loss (~5%) and the receive errors are incrementing steadily on the switch. Any ideas what I can check here? Do these not work well with generic bidi optics? -Jason
Re: [AFMUG] Planet Switch Packet Loss
Honestly, I've never done that. I could give it a try, but I need to get this gear online and didn't think that was going to be a timely process. On Wed, Apr 8, 2015 at 8:36 AM, Mike Hammett af...@ics-il.net wrote: Have you sent a supout to Mikrotik support? - Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions http://www.ics-il.com https://www.facebook.com/ICSIL https://plus.google.com/+IntelligentComputingSolutionsDeKalb https://www.linkedin.com/company/intelligent-computing-solutions https://twitter.com/ICSIL -- *From: *Jason McKemie j.mcke...@veloxinetbroadband.com *To: *af@afmug.com *Sent: *Tuesday, April 7, 2015 12:42:32 PM *Subject: *Re: [AFMUG] Planet Switch Packet Loss I did some more testing with this. With the Planet linked to a RB2011 via SFP I get even worse packet loss than with the CCR. With the RB2011 linked to the CCR via SFP I get no packet loss. With the Planet linked to a Cisco router via SFP I also get no packet loss. So it looks like I'm not going to be able to use the Planet with Mikrotik, which is a problem because Mikrotik is my preferred router for most things. I haven't tried loading 6.28RC onto the CCR since I'm a bit wary of experimenting with pre-releases on a production router. On Mon, Apr 6, 2015 at 12:21 PM, cjwstudios cjwstud...@gmail.com wrote: It could be a combination of the Ccr and planet. I just pray I don't have to reboot the Ccr because I know it will be a long night. On Apr 5, 2015 7:45 PM, Jason McKemie j.mcke...@veloxinetbroadband.com wrote: So, in summary, it is probably the CCR or a combination of the CCR and the planet? Am I going to have to go with x86 to get something powerful with multiple SFPs that is stable? On Sunday, April 5, 2015, cjwstudios cjwstud...@gmail.com wrote: I have the exact same setup and problem except with planet sfps on the planet side and tik sfps on the Ccr side. Planet told me it was my fiber run so I bought a new $500 certified run which did not fix the problem. Rebooting the Ccr 15-20 times usually does. On Mar 30, 2015 9:26 PM, Jason McKemie j.mcke...@veloxinetbroadband.com wrote: I'm trying to link up a Planet industrial ethernet switch (IGS-10020MT) with a CCR via SFP ports and bidi optics. I'm getting packet loss (~5%) and the receive errors are incrementing steadily on the switch. Any ideas what I can check here? Do these not work well with generic bidi optics? -Jason
Re: [AFMUG] Planet Switch Packet Loss
They can't fix a problem they don't know about. - Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions http://www.ics-il.com - Original Message - From: Jason McKemie j.mcke...@veloxinetbroadband.com To: af@afmug.com Sent: Wednesday, April 8, 2015 12:20:24 PM Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Planet Switch Packet Loss Honestly, I've never done that. I could give it a try, but I need to get this gear online and didn't think that was going to be a timely process. On Wed, Apr 8, 2015 at 8:36 AM, Mike Hammett af...@ics-il.net wrote: Have you sent a supout to Mikrotik support? - Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions http://www.ics-il.com From: Jason McKemie j.mcke...@veloxinetbroadband.com To: af@afmug.com Sent: Tuesday, April 7, 2015 12:42:32 PM Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Planet Switch Packet Loss I did some more testing with this. With the Planet linked to a RB2011 via SFP I get even worse packet loss than with the CCR. With the RB2011 linked to the CCR via SFP I get no packet loss. With the Planet linked to a Cisco router via SFP I also get no packet loss. So it looks like I'm not going to be able to use the Planet with Mikrotik, which is a problem because Mikrotik is my preferred router for most things. I haven't tried loading 6.28RC onto the CCR since I'm a bit wary of experimenting with pre-releases on a production router. On Mon, Apr 6, 2015 at 12:21 PM, cjwstudios cjwstud...@gmail.com wrote: blockquote It could be a combination of the Ccr and planet. I just pray I don't have to reboot the Ccr because I know it will be a long night. On Apr 5, 2015 7:45 PM, Jason McKemie j.mcke...@veloxinetbroadband.com wrote: blockquote So, in summary, it is probably the CCR or a combination of the CCR and the planet? Am I going to have to go with x86 to get something powerful with multiple SFPs that is stable? On Sunday, April 5, 2015, cjwstudios cjwstud...@gmail.com wrote: blockquote I have the exact same setup and problem except with planet sfps on the planet side and tik sfps on the Ccr side. Planet told me it was my fiber run so I bought a new $500 certified run which did not fix the problem. Rebooting the Ccr 15-20 times usually does. On Mar 30, 2015 9:26 PM, Jason McKemie j.mcke...@veloxinetbroadband.com wrote: blockquote I'm trying to link up a Planet industrial ethernet switch (IGS-10020MT) with a CCR via SFP ports and bidi optics. I'm getting packet loss (~5%) and the receive errors are incrementing steadily on the switch. Any ideas what I can check here? Do these not work well with generic bidi optics? -Jason /blockquote /blockquote /blockquote /blockquote
Re: [AFMUG] Planet Switch Packet Loss
When I get back to the so tomorrow I'll have to look at the models we used. We did have issues with the first two ports but nothing like you are describing. On Apr 8, 2015 12:19 PM, Jason McKemie j.mcke...@veloxinetbroadband.com wrote: This was just one of their industrial switches. On Wed, Apr 8, 2015 at 8:40 AM, Craig House cr...@totalhighspeed.net wrote: Is this issue with their media converter, switches or both? I just purchased some of the POE+ media converters and have not installed them but this sounds a bit disappointing considering I am using Tik's and was hoping this would clean up the tower boxes some. Craig -- *From: *Mike Hammett af...@ics-il.net *To: *af@afmug.com *Sent: *Wednesday, April 8, 2015 8:36:39 AM *Subject: *Re: [AFMUG] Planet Switch Packet Loss Have you sent a supout to Mikrotik support? - Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions http://www.ics-il.com https://www.facebook.com/ICSIL https://plus.google.com/+IntelligentComputingSolutionsDeKalb https://www.linkedin.com/company/intelligent-computing-solutions https://twitter.com/ICSIL -- *From: *Jason McKemie j.mcke...@veloxinetbroadband.com *To: *af@afmug.com *Sent: *Tuesday, April 7, 2015 12:42:32 PM *Subject: *Re: [AFMUG] Planet Switch Packet Loss I did some more testing with this. With the Planet linked to a RB2011 via SFP I get even worse packet loss than with the CCR. With the RB2011 linked to the CCR via SFP I get no packet loss. With the Planet linked to a Cisco router via SFP I also get no packet loss. So it looks like I'm not going to be able to use the Planet with Mikrotik, which is a problem because Mikrotik is my preferred router for most things. I haven't tried loading 6.28RC onto the CCR since I'm a bit wary of experimenting with pre-releases on a production router. On Mon, Apr 6, 2015 at 12:21 PM, cjwstudios cjwstud...@gmail.com wrote: It could be a combination of the Ccr and planet. I just pray I don't have to reboot the Ccr because I know it will be a long night. On Apr 5, 2015 7:45 PM, Jason McKemie j.mcke...@veloxinetbroadband.com wrote: So, in summary, it is probably the CCR or a combination of the CCR and the planet? Am I going to have to go with x86 to get something powerful with multiple SFPs that is stable? On Sunday, April 5, 2015, cjwstudios cjwstud...@gmail.com wrote: I have the exact same setup and problem except with planet sfps on the planet side and tik sfps on the Ccr side. Planet told me it was my fiber run so I bought a new $500 certified run which did not fix the problem. Rebooting the Ccr 15-20 times usually does. On Mar 30, 2015 9:26 PM, Jason McKemie j.mcke...@veloxinetbroadband.com wrote: I'm trying to link up a Planet industrial ethernet switch (IGS-10020MT) with a CCR via SFP ports and bidi optics. I'm getting packet loss (~5%) and the receive errors are incrementing steadily on the switch. Any ideas what I can check here? Do these not work well with generic bidi optics? -Jason
Re: [AFMUG] hackers/hacking, meh
My favorite is the people who say their email account has been hacked because they are receiving emails with Chinese characters. From: Paul Stewart Sent: Wednesday, April 08, 2015 12:04 PM To: af@afmug.com Subject: Re: [AFMUG] hackers/hacking, meh ROFL … From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of David Sent: Wednesday, April 8, 2015 12:46 PM To: af@afmug.com Subject: Re: [AFMUG] hackers/hacking, meh Same with credit cards.. I had a guy said someone hacked in a and got is credit card info.. PFFT Please. #1. your in arkansas No one within a 200mile radius even knows how to hack a BASIC secured wifi connection much less be able to decipher the encryption used between payment gateway and the credit card machine. #2. you were probably surfing porn and got a nasty Trojan with std on it which exploited your card when you wanted to see more of the peep show. LOL On 04/08/2015 11:33 AM, Glen Waldrop wrote: I get calls on this all the time. 99.999% of the time it is spyware. I've worked on about four legitimate hacks since 93. - Original Message - From: That One Guy /sarcasm To: af@afmug.com Sent: Wednesday, April 08, 2015 11:10 AM Subject: [AFMUG] hackers/hacking, meh http://www.bostonglobe.com/business/2015/04/06/tewksbury-police-pay-bitcoin-ransom-hackers/PkcE1GBTOfU52p31F9FM5L/story.html This type of fluff article irritates me. That abuse of the term hacking/hacker is comparable to the abuse of the term engineer. my facebook got hacked!! no it didnt, you left your device signed in or you followed a phishing link, you werent hacked, your ignorance was exploited with zero knowledge that you even exist a hacker encrypted my data no, in all likelyhood, a script kiddie out there altered code from an existing ransomeware package to become the beneficiary of your ignorance in opening suspect attachments and profited by your inability to follow the simple instruction:back that shit up. no hackers involved In terms of technical prowess, and both the criminal and white hat environment, hack and hacker used to garner some respect, now the terms are so misused they have no value. This is just going to leave me very irritated the rest of the day -- If you only see yourself as part of the team but you don't see your team as part of yourself you have already failed as part of the team.
Re: [AFMUG] Dumb shunt question
Since I'm asking dumb questions: Does having two volt meters in series significantly affect the reading? V=IR implies that it should, because presumably the second volt meter adds a little more resistance. I have a battery charger with temperature compensation, so it comes with a thermocouple that you put near the batteries. I thought it would be convenient to wire a site monitor volt meter in series with it so I could record whatever readings the battery charger is getting. A shunt on AC will give you an AC voltage proportional to AC current. If your monitoring device is OK with AC input then, yes, you can do it that way. But if it is a sitemonitor, I don't think it will like AC so much. And the output will have reference to the AC, in other words it will be hot. Normally you use a current transformer to measure AC. You can follow up the current transformer with a diode bridge and cap or get one that has a DC output. This might work: http://www.phidgets.com/products.php?product_id=3502 Not sure the range of the inputs but yes, if an input has a voltage range that will cover your thermocouple it will indeed read it. -Original Message- From: Adam Moffett Sent: Tuesday, April 07, 2015 1:20 PM To: af@afmug.com Subject: [AFMUG] Dumb shunt question This might be a dumb question: Can I use a packetflux current shunt to measure current on AC, or are they strictly for DC? Ok, I have a second dumb question: The shunt input on a Site Monitor II is just measuring microvolts right? So if I'm not using it for a shunt, can I instead use that for a thermocouple temperature probe?
Re: [AFMUG] Planet Switch Packet Loss
Is this issue with their media converter, switches or both? I just purchased some of the POE+ media converters and have not installed them but this sounds a bit disappointing considering I am using Tik's and was hoping this would clean up the tower boxes some. Craig - Original Message - From: Mike Hammett af...@ics-il.net To: af@afmug.com Sent: Wednesday, April 8, 2015 8:36:39 AM Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Planet Switch Packet Loss Have you sent a supout to Mikrotik support? - Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions http://www.ics-il.com - Original Message - From: Jason McKemie j.mcke...@veloxinetbroadband.com To: af@afmug.com Sent: Tuesday, April 7, 2015 12:42:32 PM Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Planet Switch Packet Loss I did some more testing with this. With the Planet linked to a RB2011 via SFP I get even worse packet loss than with the CCR. With the RB2011 linked to the CCR via SFP I get no packet loss. With the Planet linked to a Cisco router via SFP I also get no packet loss. So it looks like I'm not going to be able to use the Planet with Mikrotik, which is a problem because Mikrotik is my preferred router for most things. I haven't tried loading 6.28RC onto the CCR since I'm a bit wary of experimenting with pre-releases on a production router. On Mon, Apr 6, 2015 at 12:21 PM, cjwstudios cjwstud...@gmail.com wrote: It could be a combination of the Ccr and planet. I just pray I don't have to reboot the Ccr because I know it will be a long night. On Apr 5, 2015 7:45 PM, Jason McKemie j.mcke...@veloxinetbroadband.com wrote: blockquote So, in summary, it is probably the CCR or a combination of the CCR and the planet? Am I going to have to go with x86 to get something powerful with multiple SFPs that is stable? On Sunday, April 5, 2015, cjwstudios cjwstud...@gmail.com wrote: blockquote I have the exact same setup and problem except with planet sfps on the planet side and tik sfps on the Ccr side. Planet told me it was my fiber run so I bought a new $500 certified run which did not fix the problem. Rebooting the Ccr 15-20 times usually does. On Mar 30, 2015 9:26 PM, Jason McKemie j.mcke...@veloxinetbroadband.com wrote: blockquote I'm trying to link up a Planet industrial ethernet switch (IGS-10020MT) with a CCR via SFP ports and bidi optics. I'm getting packet loss (~5%) and the receive errors are incrementing steadily on the switch. Any ideas what I can check here? Do these not work well with generic bidi optics? -Jason /blockquote /blockquote /blockquote
Re: [AFMUG] problems with Youtube intermittent
oh - Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions http://www.ics-il.com - Original Message - From: Paul Stewart p...@paulstewart.org To: af@afmug.com Sent: Wednesday, April 8, 2015 5:24:27 AM Subject: Re: [AFMUG] problems with Youtube intermittent Asking if Youtube is having problems is pretty vague without more information. Their content delivery is very ‘segmented’ per region and sometimes per provider. What does the output of http://redirector.c.youtube.com/report_mapping show you? Paul From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Paul McCall Sent: Tuesday, April 7, 2015 10:36 PM To: af@afmug.com Cc: All Users Subject: Re: [AFMUG] problems with Youtube intermittent Looks like its just certain parts of the country… https://downdetector.com/status/youtube From: Af [ mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com ] On Behalf Of Josh Luthman Sent: Tuesday, April 07, 2015 10:23 PM To: af@afmug.com Subject: Re: [AFMUG] problems with Youtube intermittent No reports and a couple videos work for me. Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373 On Apr 7, 2015 10:22 PM, Paul McCall pa...@pdmnet.net wrote: Anybody seeing Youtube having some challenges this evening? Paul McCall, Pres. PDMNet / Florida Broadband 658 Old Dixie Highway Vero Beach, FL 32962 772-564-6800 office 772-473-0352 cell www.pdmnet.com pa...@pdmnet.net
Re: [AFMUG] Planet Switch Packet Loss
Have you tried plugging the mikrotik into the last port and testing again? I am almost positive we discovered an issue where the first two ports refused to play nice. We contacted planet support at one point on a similar issue and basically we're told they wetter not that interested. I assume it was since they had provably never heard of mikrotik. I don't remember the details but I could have sworn or issue remained on interfacing with Cisco as well. I tried the same experiment. The Rb2011 was almost unusable with the planet. I'm curious about 6.28 as well however has anyone confirmed it's meant to address this issue? On Apr 7, 2015 10:42 AM, Jason McKemie j.mcke...@veloxinetbroadband.com wrote: I did some more testing with this. With the Planet linked to a RB2011 via SFP I get even worse packet loss than with the CCR. With the RB2011 linked to the CCR via SFP I get no packet loss. With the Planet linked to a Cisco router via SFP I also get no packet loss. So it looks like I'm not going to be able to use the Planet with Mikrotik, which is a problem because Mikrotik is my preferred router for most things. I haven't tried loading 6.28RC onto the CCR since I'm a bit wary of experimenting with pre-releases on a production router. On Mon, Apr 6, 2015 at 12:21 PM, cjwstudios cjwstud...@gmail.com wrote: It could be a combination of the Ccr and planet. I just pray I don't have to reboot the Ccr because I know it will be a long night. On Apr 5, 2015 7:45 PM, Jason McKemie j.mcke...@veloxinetbroadband.com wrote: So, in summary, it is probably the CCR or a combination of the CCR and the planet? Am I going to have to go with x86 to get something powerful with multiple SFPs that is stable? On Sunday, April 5, 2015, cjwstudios cjwstud...@gmail.com wrote: I have the exact same setup and problem except with planet sfps on the planet side and tik sfps on the Ccr side. Planet told me it was my fiber run so I bought a new $500 certified run which did not fix the problem. Rebooting the Ccr 15-20 times usually does. On Mar 30, 2015 9:26 PM, Jason McKemie j.mcke...@veloxinetbroadband.com wrote: I'm trying to link up a Planet industrial ethernet switch (IGS-10020MT) with a CCR via SFP ports and bidi optics. I'm getting packet loss (~5%) and the receive errors are incrementing steadily on the switch. Any ideas what I can check here? Do these not work well with generic bidi optics? -Jason
Re: [AFMUG] Planet Switch Packet Loss
Have you sent a supout to Mikrotik support? - Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions http://www.ics-il.com - Original Message - From: Jason McKemie j.mcke...@veloxinetbroadband.com To: af@afmug.com Sent: Tuesday, April 7, 2015 12:42:32 PM Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Planet Switch Packet Loss I did some more testing with this. With the Planet linked to a RB2011 via SFP I get even worse packet loss than with the CCR. With the RB2011 linked to the CCR via SFP I get no packet loss. With the Planet linked to a Cisco router via SFP I also get no packet loss. So it looks like I'm not going to be able to use the Planet with Mikrotik, which is a problem because Mikrotik is my preferred router for most things. I haven't tried loading 6.28RC onto the CCR since I'm a bit wary of experimenting with pre-releases on a production router. On Mon, Apr 6, 2015 at 12:21 PM, cjwstudios cjwstud...@gmail.com wrote: It could be a combination of the Ccr and planet. I just pray I don't have to reboot the Ccr because I know it will be a long night. On Apr 5, 2015 7:45 PM, Jason McKemie j.mcke...@veloxinetbroadband.com wrote: blockquote So, in summary, it is probably the CCR or a combination of the CCR and the planet? Am I going to have to go with x86 to get something powerful with multiple SFPs that is stable? On Sunday, April 5, 2015, cjwstudios cjwstud...@gmail.com wrote: blockquote I have the exact same setup and problem except with planet sfps on the planet side and tik sfps on the Ccr side. Planet told me it was my fiber run so I bought a new $500 certified run which did not fix the problem. Rebooting the Ccr 15-20 times usually does. On Mar 30, 2015 9:26 PM, Jason McKemie j.mcke...@veloxinetbroadband.com wrote: blockquote I'm trying to link up a Planet industrial ethernet switch (IGS-10020MT) with a CCR via SFP ports and bidi optics. I'm getting packet loss (~5%) and the receive errors are incrementing steadily on the switch. Any ideas what I can check here? Do these not work well with generic bidi optics? -Jason /blockquote /blockquote /blockquote
Re: [AFMUG] Dumb shunt question
I know I should just hook it up both ways and check, and I will do that no matter what the answer here isbut I keep thinking of the question when I'm nowhere near the equipment. Since I'm asking dumb questions: Does having two volt meters in series significantly affect the reading? V=IR implies that it should, because presumably the second volt meter adds a little more resistance. I have a battery charger with temperature compensation, so it comes with a thermocouple that you put near the batteries. I thought it would be convenient to wire a site monitor volt meter in series with it so I could record whatever readings the battery charger is getting. A shunt on AC will give you an AC voltage proportional to AC current. If your monitoring device is OK with AC input then, yes, you can do it that way. But if it is a sitemonitor, I don't think it will like AC so much. And the output will have reference to the AC, in other words it will be hot. Normally you use a current transformer to measure AC. You can follow up the current transformer with a diode bridge and cap or get one that has a DC output. This might work: http://www.phidgets.com/products.php?product_id=3502 Not sure the range of the inputs but yes, if an input has a voltage range that will cover your thermocouple it will indeed read it. -Original Message- From: Adam Moffett Sent: Tuesday, April 07, 2015 1:20 PM To: af@afmug.com Subject: [AFMUG] Dumb shunt question This might be a dumb question: Can I use a packetflux current shunt to measure current on AC, or are they strictly for DC? Ok, I have a second dumb question: The shunt input on a Site Monitor II is just measuring microvolts right? So if I'm not using it for a shunt, can I instead use that for a thermocouple temperature probe?
Re: [AFMUG] problems with Youtube intermittent
Not sure what it is suppose to show, but it looks like it is blaming the problem on a subnet that isn't through my tracert or involved in my network in any way. - Original Message - From: Paul Stewart To: af@afmug.com Sent: Wednesday, April 08, 2015 5:24 AM Subject: Re: [AFMUG] problems with Youtube intermittent Asking if Youtube is having problems is pretty vague without more information. Their content delivery is very ‘segmented’ per region and sometimes per provider. What does the output of http://redirector.c.youtube.com/report_mapping show you? Paul From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Paul McCall Sent: Tuesday, April 7, 2015 10:36 PM To: af@afmug.com Cc: All Users Subject: Re: [AFMUG] problems with Youtube intermittent Looks like its just certain parts of the country… https://downdetector.com/status/youtube From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Josh Luthman Sent: Tuesday, April 07, 2015 10:23 PM To: af@afmug.com Subject: Re: [AFMUG] problems with Youtube intermittent No reports and a couple videos work for me. Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373 On Apr 7, 2015 10:22 PM, Paul McCall pa...@pdmnet.net wrote: Anybody seeing Youtube having some challenges this evening? Paul McCall, Pres. PDMNet / Florida Broadband 658 Old Dixie Highway Vero Beach, FL 32962 772-564-6800 office 772-473-0352 cell www.pdmnet.com pa...@pdmnet.net
Re: [AFMUG] Dumb shunt question
Ah. ok thanks.
An analog meter is actually showing you the current through the meter.
When you put the probes across a voltage source, the meter typically
has much higher impedance than whatever the voltage is feeding (the
load).
At any rate, a volt meter generally has very high impedance, and it
only takes a few milliamps to achieve a full reading. Putting two in
series will double the impedance, and each meter should read half of
whatever voltage there is.
You don't want to put a SiteMonitor in series. You want to put it in
parallel.
bp
part15sbs{at}gmail{dot}com
On 4/8/2015 6:52 AM, Adam Moffett wrote:
Since I'm asking dumb questions:
Does having two volt meters in series significantly affect the
reading? V=IR implies that it should, because presumably the second
volt meter adds a little more resistance.
I have a battery charger with temperature compensation, so it comes
with a thermocouple that you put near the batteries. I thought it
would be convenient to wire a site monitor volt meter in series with
it so I could record whatever readings the battery charger is getting.
A shunt on AC will give you an AC voltage proportional to AC
current. If your monitoring device is OK with AC input then, yes,
you can do it that way. But if it is a sitemonitor, I don't think
it will like AC so much. And the output will have reference to the
AC, in other words it will be hot.
Normally you use a current transformer to measure AC. You can
follow up the current transformer with a diode bridge and cap or get
one that has a DC output.
This might work:
http://www.phidgets.com/products.php?product_id=3502
Not sure the range of the inputs but yes, if an input has a voltage
range that will cover your thermocouple it will indeed read it.
-Original Message- From: Adam Moffett
Sent: Tuesday, April 07, 2015 1:20 PM
To: af@afmug.com
Subject: [AFMUG] Dumb shunt question
This might be a dumb question:
Can I use a packetflux current shunt to measure current on AC, or are
they strictly for DC?
Ok, I have a second dumb question:
The shunt input on a Site Monitor II is just measuring microvolts
right? So if I'm not using it for a shunt, can I instead use that
for a
thermocouple temperature probe?
Re: [AFMUG] What Adam Armstrong of Observium thinks of WISPS
haha, traumatized at a young age by wireless. FWIW, he appears on a Youtube video from a few years back. Seems like your typical nerdy kid who becomes a flamethrower-wielding asshole in his online persona. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=n9-90P58edQ From: Glen Waldrop Sent: Tuesday, April 07, 2015 11:22 PM To: af@afmug.com Subject: Re: [AFMUG] What Adam Armstrong of Observium thinks of WISPS Certain people get to be assholes. The genius engineer who fixes the unfixable, the guy who gets you the budget dollars you need, and management. Has this guy earned his asshole-aura or is he an entitled management shit? No idea. That being said, he's had a bad experience with wireless and it shows. I'm thinking... The sun comes up on a red brick house, young Adam Armstrong and his family having breakfast before starting their day Adam: Why do you look so sad daddy? You're quiet this morning... Dad(Frank): Well Adam, daddy is probably going to be losing his job. Mom(Cheryl): Frank... Dad: No, it's fine. He can take it. You see Adam, some times things in life don't work out. No matter how hard you try, how many cables you terminate, it just isn't good enough. Adam: But you work so hard! You're always talking about cats! Dad: I know, Adam. But the young guys come in...they don't need cats, they don't need the cables I've spent my life auto-negotiating. They just need this new...wireless crap... Adam: Wireless?! That's neat! Dad: NO IT'S NOT ADAM! IT'S NOT NEAT. YOU CAN'T CONTROL WIRELESS. IT BOUNCES OFF STUFF...DID YOU KNOW THAT?! Mom: That's enough, Frank! Dad: I'm sorry...I didn't mean to yell. It's just...we won't be able to go to Six Flags this year but I suppose work will come back. I mean, I'll always have the data center...right? and scene - Original Message - From: Josh Luthman To: af@afmug.com Sent: Tuesday, April 07, 2015 9:39 PM Subject: Re: [AFMUG] What Adam Armstrong of Observium thinks of WISPS https://www.reddit.com/r/networking/comments/31rbir/goodbye_observium/ Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373 On Apr 7, 2015 1:56 PM, Chuck McCown ch...@wbmfg.com wrote: And it is pretty good stuff too. -Original Message- From: Ken Hohhof Sent: Tuesday, April 07, 2015 11:55 AM To: af@afmug.com Subject: Re: [AFMUG] What Adam Armstrong of Observium thinks of WISPS In related news, PRTG apparently is now free up to 100 sensors. -Original Message- From: Paul Stewart Sent: Tuesday, April 07, 2015 12:49 PM To: af@afmug.com Subject: Re: [AFMUG] What Adam Armstrong of Observium thinks of WISPS So this guy doesn't realize that by complaining about a customer base he clearly doesn't want, that he effects the opinion of folks who already own his product or might be looking at his product? Given his public bitching about a certain market share that he clearly doesn't understand anything about, I will not be providing him *anymore* business - that's for sure! Why would I want to associate myself with an immature, unprofessional, little kid ? -p -Original Message- From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Observium Connoisseur Sent: Tuesday, April 7, 2015 1:43 PM To: af@afmug.com Subject: Re: [AFMUG] What Adam Armstrong of Observium thinks of WISPS He's making more friends over at the UBNT forum. Its an EPIC meltdown. The guy has just literally lost his marbles. https://community.ubnt.com/t5/The-Lounge/AFMUG-What-Adam-Armstrong-of-Observium-thinks-of-WISPS/td-p/1219320/page/3 Looks like some of it may have been taken down. But here's a nice entry post by Adam. I guess we are irrelevant... -- Let me put this another way. You guys wanted something from me, but you didn't get it. The ensuing toys-from-pram tantrum has really done nothing to negatively effect me, but it has pretty much ensured that Observium, as an organisation, has lost all interest in catering to your requirements. It doesn't matter to us financially, you guys are probably less than 1% of our user base. You're statistically irrelevant. We actually had the best sales day today that we've had in the past 30 days. At the end of the day, acting like petulent pre-schoolers and deciding to inflict the stone-age horrors of Cacti or LibreNMS on yourselves because you don't like me, well, that just makes me happy, since it hurts you to a level of which I would be incable whilst having no negative effects on those WISPs. Also, this thread is so ram-packed with factual inaccuracies and basic failures at comprehending words that I'm not at all surprised that this nonsense happened. Have fun cutting off your nose to spite your face! - Original Message - From: Glen Waldrop
Re: [AFMUG] problems with Youtube intermittent
65.182.164.62 = ord30s17 : router: pr01.ord12 next_hop_address: 127.0.0.1 (65.182.164.0/23) [u] My IP address is 65.182.164.62. I'm going off of the ord30s17 server (probably server 17 in rack or pod 30 in Chicago). That server is probably talking to pr01.ord12 or I'm coming in on pr01.ord12. Not sure what the next_hop being the local loopback means. Then is my subnet advertised to the Internets. Not sure what U means. - Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions http://www.ics-il.com - Original Message - From: Josh Luthman j...@imaginenetworksllc.com To: af@afmug.com Sent: Wednesday, April 8, 2015 9:23:34 AM Subject: Re: [AFMUG] problems with Youtube intermittent It tells me: 74.218.208.210 = ord31s13 : router: pr03.ord12 next_hop_address: 127.0.0.1 ( 74.218.208.0/20 ) I don't understand what it's saying? Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373 On Wed, Apr 8, 2015 at 10:22 AM, Glen Waldrop gwl...@cngwireless.net wrote: Not sure what it is suppose to show, but it looks like it is blaming the problem on a subnet that isn't through my tracert or involved in my network in any way. blockquote - Original Message - From: Paul Stewart To: af@afmug.com Sent: Wednesday, April 08, 2015 5:24 AM Subject: Re: [AFMUG] problems with Youtube intermittent Asking if Youtube is having problems is pretty vague without more information. Their content delivery is very ‘segmented’ per region and sometimes per provider. What does the output of http://redirector.c.youtube.com/report_mapping show you? Paul From: Af [mailto: af-boun...@afmug.com ] On Behalf Of Paul McCall Sent: Tuesday, April 7, 2015 10:36 PM To: af@afmug.com Cc: All Users Subject: Re: [AFMUG] problems with Youtube intermittent Looks like its just certain parts of the country… https://downdetector.com/status/youtube From: Af [ mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com ] On Behalf Of Josh Luthman Sent: Tuesday, April 07, 2015 10:23 PM To: af@afmug.com Subject: Re: [AFMUG] problems with Youtube intermittent No reports and a couple videos work for me. Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373 On Apr 7, 2015 10:22 PM, Paul McCall pa...@pdmnet.net wrote: Anybody seeing Youtube having some challenges this evening? Paul McCall, Pres. PDMNet / Florida Broadband 658 Old Dixie Highway Vero Beach, FL 32962 772-564-6800 office 772-473-0352 cell www.pdmnet.com pa...@pdmnet.net /blockquote
Re: [AFMUG] problems with Youtube intermittent
It shows you which node you are mapped to at that moment in time … hopefully
that node name means something to you :)
If you have any Youtube caches on your network, it will confirm which cache you
are using at that moment. If not, it will show the name of an upstream cache
you are using.
From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Bill Prince
Sent: Wednesday, April 8, 2015 10:22 AM
To: af@afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] problems with Youtube intermittent
So when I use that link, I get my IP address to = sjc07s17.
I take it that I'm near San Jose, CA (which is true), but I don't see that
anywhere in the traceroute to youtube.com.
What's it mean Mr. Natural?
bp
part15sbs{at}gmail{dot}com
On 4/8/2015 3:24 AM, Paul Stewart wrote:
Asking if Youtube is having problems is pretty vague without more information.
Their content delivery is very ‘segmented’ per region and sometimes per
provider.
What does the output of http://redirector.c.youtube.com/report_mapping show you?
Paul
From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Paul McCall
Sent: Tuesday, April 7, 2015 10:36 PM
To: af@afmug.com mailto:af@afmug.com
Cc: All Users
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] problems with Youtube intermittent
Looks like its just certain parts of the country…
https://downdetector.com/status/youtube
From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Josh Luthman
Sent: Tuesday, April 07, 2015 10:23 PM
To: af@afmug.com mailto:af@afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] problems with Youtube intermittent
No reports and a couple videos work for me.
Josh Luthman
Office: 937-552-2340
Direct: 937-552-2343
1100 Wayne St
Suite 1337
Troy, OH 45373
On Apr 7, 2015 10:22 PM, Paul McCall pa...@pdmnet.net
mailto:pa...@pdmnet.net wrote:
Anybody seeing Youtube having some challenges this evening?
Paul McCall, Pres.
PDMNet / Florida Broadband
658 Old Dixie Highway
Vero Beach, FL 32962
772-564-6800 tel:772-564-6800 office
772-473-0352 tel:772-473-0352 cell
www.pdmnet.com http://www.pdmnet.com/
pa...@pdmnet.net mailto:pa...@pdmnet.net
Re: [AFMUG] problems with Youtube intermittent
It tells me: 74.218.208.210 = ord31s13 : router: pr03.ord12 next_hop_address: 127.0.0.1 (74.218.208.0/20) I don't understand what it's saying? Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373 On Wed, Apr 8, 2015 at 10:22 AM, Glen Waldrop gwl...@cngwireless.net wrote: Not sure what it is suppose to show, but it looks like it is blaming the problem on a subnet that isn't through my tracert or involved in my network in any way. - Original Message - *From:* Paul Stewart p...@paulstewart.org *To:* af@afmug.com *Sent:* Wednesday, April 08, 2015 5:24 AM *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] problems with Youtube intermittent Asking if Youtube is having problems is pretty vague without more information. Their content delivery is very ‘segmented’ per region and sometimes per provider. What does the output of http://redirector.c.youtube.com/report_mapping show you? Paul *From:* Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] *On Behalf Of *Paul McCall *Sent:* Tuesday, April 7, 2015 10:36 PM *To:* af@afmug.com *Cc:* All Users *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] problems with Youtube intermittent Looks like its just certain parts of the country… https://downdetector.com/status/youtube *From:* Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com af-boun...@afmug.com] *On Behalf Of *Josh Luthman *Sent:* Tuesday, April 07, 2015 10:23 PM *To:* af@afmug.com *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] problems with Youtube intermittent No reports and a couple videos work for me. Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373 On Apr 7, 2015 10:22 PM, Paul McCall pa...@pdmnet.net wrote: Anybody seeing Youtube having some challenges this evening? Paul McCall, Pres. PDMNet / Florida Broadband 658 Old Dixie Highway Vero Beach, FL 32962 772-564-6800 office 772-473-0352 cell www.pdmnet.com pa...@pdmnet.net
Re: [AFMUG] problems with Youtube intermittent
That's as far as I got as well =( Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373 On Wed, Apr 8, 2015 at 10:30 AM, Mike Hammett af...@ics-il.net wrote: 65.182.164.62 = ord30s17 : router: pr01.ord12 next_hop_address: 127.0.0.1 (65.182.164.0/23) [u] My IP address is 65.182.164.62. I'm going off of the ord30s17 server (probably server 17 in rack or pod 30 in Chicago). That server is probably talking to pr01.ord12 or I'm coming in on pr01.ord12. Not sure what the next_hop being the local loopback means. Then is my subnet advertised to the Internets. Not sure what U means. - Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions http://www.ics-il.com https://www.facebook.com/ICSIL https://plus.google.com/+IntelligentComputingSolutionsDeKalb https://www.linkedin.com/company/intelligent-computing-solutions https://twitter.com/ICSIL -- *From: *Josh Luthman j...@imaginenetworksllc.com *To: *af@afmug.com *Sent: *Wednesday, April 8, 2015 9:23:34 AM *Subject: *Re: [AFMUG] problems with Youtube intermittent It tells me: 74.218.208.210 = ord31s13 : router: pr03.ord12 next_hop_address: 127.0.0.1 (74.218.208.0/20) I don't understand what it's saying? Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373 On Wed, Apr 8, 2015 at 10:22 AM, Glen Waldrop gwl...@cngwireless.net wrote: Not sure what it is suppose to show, but it looks like it is blaming the problem on a subnet that isn't through my tracert or involved in my network in any way. - Original Message - *From:* Paul Stewart p...@paulstewart.org *To:* af@afmug.com *Sent:* Wednesday, April 08, 2015 5:24 AM *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] problems with Youtube intermittent Asking if Youtube is having problems is pretty vague without more information. Their content delivery is very ‘segmented’ per region and sometimes per provider. What does the output of http://redirector.c.youtube.com/report_mapping show you? Paul *From:* Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] *On Behalf Of *Paul McCall *Sent:* Tuesday, April 7, 2015 10:36 PM *To:* af@afmug.com *Cc:* All Users *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] problems with Youtube intermittent Looks like its just certain parts of the country… https://downdetector.com/status/youtube *From:* Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com af-boun...@afmug.com] *On Behalf Of *Josh Luthman *Sent:* Tuesday, April 07, 2015 10:23 PM *To:* af@afmug.com *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] problems with Youtube intermittent No reports and a couple videos work for me. Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373 On Apr 7, 2015 10:22 PM, Paul McCall pa...@pdmnet.net wrote: Anybody seeing Youtube having some challenges this evening? Paul McCall, Pres. PDMNet / Florida Broadband 658 Old Dixie Highway Vero Beach, FL 32962 772-564-6800 office 772-473-0352 cell www.pdmnet.com pa...@pdmnet.net
Re: [AFMUG] problems with Youtube intermittent
Pretty much the same message I got. Shows a /22 that is before my subnet and as far as I can tell that subnet has not been given out. ATT still has it. - Original Message - From: Josh Luthman To: af@afmug.com Sent: Wednesday, April 08, 2015 9:23 AM Subject: Re: [AFMUG] problems with Youtube intermittent It tells me: 74.218.208.210 = ord31s13 : router: pr03.ord12 next_hop_address: 127.0.0.1 (74.218.208.0/20) I don't understand what it's saying? Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373 On Wed, Apr 8, 2015 at 10:22 AM, Glen Waldrop gwl...@cngwireless.net wrote: Not sure what it is suppose to show, but it looks like it is blaming the problem on a subnet that isn't through my tracert or involved in my network in any way. - Original Message - From: Paul Stewart To: af@afmug.com Sent: Wednesday, April 08, 2015 5:24 AM Subject: Re: [AFMUG] problems with Youtube intermittent Asking if Youtube is having problems is pretty vague without more information. Their content delivery is very ‘segmented’ per region and sometimes per provider. What does the output of http://redirector.c.youtube.com/report_mapping show you? Paul From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Paul McCall Sent: Tuesday, April 7, 2015 10:36 PM To: af@afmug.com Cc: All Users Subject: Re: [AFMUG] problems with Youtube intermittent Looks like its just certain parts of the country… https://downdetector.com/status/youtube From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Josh Luthman Sent: Tuesday, April 07, 2015 10:23 PM To: af@afmug.com Subject: Re: [AFMUG] problems with Youtube intermittent No reports and a couple videos work for me. Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373 On Apr 7, 2015 10:22 PM, Paul McCall pa...@pdmnet.net wrote: Anybody seeing Youtube having some challenges this evening? Paul McCall, Pres. PDMNet / Florida Broadband 658 Old Dixie Highway Vero Beach, FL 32962 772-564-6800 office 772-473-0352 cell www.pdmnet.com pa...@pdmnet.net
Re: [AFMUG] problems with Youtube intermittent
It seems to be saying your nearest content server is in Chicago (ORD=OHare). Here in the Chicago suburbs on ATT UVerse, I get 99.67.197.47 = ord30s17 : router: pr02.ord12 next_hop_address: 127.0.0.1 (99.67.128.0/17) From: Josh Luthman Sent: Wednesday, April 08, 2015 9:23 AM To: af@afmug.com Subject: Re: [AFMUG] problems with Youtube intermittent It tells me: 74.218.208.210 = ord31s13 : router: pr03.ord12 next_hop_address: 127.0.0.1 (74.218.208.0/20) I don't understand what it's saying? Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373 On Wed, Apr 8, 2015 at 10:22 AM, Glen Waldrop gwl...@cngwireless.net wrote: Not sure what it is suppose to show, but it looks like it is blaming the problem on a subnet that isn't through my tracert or involved in my network in any way. - Original Message - From: Paul Stewart To: af@afmug.com Sent: Wednesday, April 08, 2015 5:24 AM Subject: Re: [AFMUG] problems with Youtube intermittent Asking if Youtube is having problems is pretty vague without more information. Their content delivery is very ‘segmented’ per region and sometimes per provider. What does the output of http://redirector.c.youtube.com/report_mapping show you? Paul From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Paul McCall Sent: Tuesday, April 7, 2015 10:36 PM To: af@afmug.com Cc: All Users Subject: Re: [AFMUG] problems with Youtube intermittent Looks like its just certain parts of the country… https://downdetector.com/status/youtube From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Josh Luthman Sent: Tuesday, April 07, 2015 10:23 PM To: af@afmug.com Subject: Re: [AFMUG] problems with Youtube intermittent No reports and a couple videos work for me. Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373 On Apr 7, 2015 10:22 PM, Paul McCall pa...@pdmnet.net wrote: Anybody seeing Youtube having some challenges this evening? Paul McCall, Pres. PDMNet / Florida Broadband 658 Old Dixie Highway Vero Beach, FL 32962 772-564-6800 office 772-473-0352 cell www.pdmnet.com pa...@pdmnet.net
Re: [AFMUG] That's a lot of towers
I can't even get my head around the scale of things in places like China and India. On 4/8/2015 11:59 AM, Mike Hammett wrote: http://www.telecomramblings.com/2015/04/china-tower-could-take-control-of-1m-towers/ - Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions http://www.ics-il.com https://www.facebook.com/ICSILhttps://plus.google.com/+IntelligentComputingSolutionsDeKalbhttps://www.linkedin.com/company/intelligent-computing-solutionshttps://twitter.com/ICSIL
[AFMUG] Low Voltage Disconnect
Looking for recommendations on a 24v LVD to protect our batteries from being drained. Anyone have one they recommend? -- Christopher Tyler MTCRE/MTCNA/MTCTCE/MTCWE Total Highspeed Internet Services 417.851.1107
Re: [AFMUG] Low Voltage Disconnect
First off I'd suggest getting enough batteries that you wouldn't need an LVD. Second, I'd rather see my batteries lose a bit of life and keep the site up then have everything go down saving my batteries. Tertiary/finally, what equipment do you have now? My regulator cuts off at 19v and still provides 24v. I figure the batteries are at 9.5v they're already sper low. Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373 On Wed, Apr 8, 2015 at 2:44 PM, Christopher Tyler ch...@totalhighspeed.net wrote: Looking for recommendations on a 24v LVD to protect our batteries from being drained. Anyone have one they recommend? -- Christopher Tyler MTCRE/MTCNA/MTCTCE/MTCWE Total Highspeed Internet Services 417.851.1107
Re: [AFMUG] Low Voltage Disconnect
We are currently testing using two 12v 100Ah telecom batteries in series. They are slightly expensive to replace, especially when we will have four (or more) at some sites, most will have two. I'm using a Meanwell RSD-100B-24 regulator for the Tik RB-493G router right now. Looks like the cutout for the regulator is around 16v from what I can decipher from the datasheet. My test radios (2 Canopy and 2 UBNT) are connected to the battery without regulation. This setup will drain the batteries until they are pretty much dead and buried. I ran them over the weekend and I figured it would stop draining around 10v at worst, it didn't. They ended up around 6v in parallel or 3v per battery. I figure I shaved off some capacity and lifetime of my test batteries with that, hopefully not too much. -- Christopher Tyler MTCRE/MTCNA/MTCTCE/MTCWE Total Highspeed Internet Services 417.851.1107 - Original Message - From: Josh Luthman j...@imaginenetworksllc.com To: af@afmug.com Sent: Wednesday, April 8, 2015 1:49:05 PM Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Low Voltage Disconnect First off I'd suggest getting enough batteries that you wouldn't need an LVD. Second, I'd rather see my batteries lose a bit of life and keep the site up then have everything go down saving my batteries. Tertiary/finally, what equipment do you have now? My regulator cuts off at 19v and still provides 24v. I figure the batteries are at 9.5v they're already sper low. Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373 On Wed, Apr 8, 2015 at 2:44 PM, Christopher Tyler ch...@totalhighspeed.net wrote: Looking for recommendations on a 24v LVD to protect our batteries from being drained. Anyone have one they recommend? -- Christopher Tyler MTCRE/MTCNA/MTCTCE/MTCWE Total Highspeed Internet Services 417.851.1107
Re: [AFMUG] Low Voltage Disconnect
Correct: continuous 16.8 ~ 31.2VDC 1 second 14.4 ~ 33.6VDC If you already dropped them to 3v I think they'd be toast. If you didn't have your charger you're not really testing the compatibility with Ubnt. I believe the cut off is something like 27.5v for the Airmax stuff and your charge is around 27.3 (depending on battery). To me, that was too close for comfort and hence I use the regulator. I don't know why you would expect them to stop at 10v. At 20v both Canopy and Ubnt would happily run. The radios would continue to pull power from the batteries forever. Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373 On Wed, Apr 8, 2015 at 3:23 PM, Christopher Tyler ch...@totalhighspeed.net wrote: We are currently testing using two 12v 100Ah telecom batteries in series. They are slightly expensive to replace, especially when we will have four (or more) at some sites, most will have two. I'm using a Meanwell RSD-100B-24 regulator for the Tik RB-493G router right now. Looks like the cutout for the regulator is around 16v from what I can decipher from the datasheet. My test radios (2 Canopy and 2 UBNT) are connected to the battery without regulation. This setup will drain the batteries until they are pretty much dead and buried. I ran them over the weekend and I figured it would stop draining around 10v at worst, it didn't. They ended up around 6v in parallel or 3v per battery. I figure I shaved off some capacity and lifetime of my test batteries with that, hopefully not too much. -- Christopher Tyler MTCRE/MTCNA/MTCTCE/MTCWE Total Highspeed Internet Services 417.851.1107 - Original Message - From: Josh Luthman j...@imaginenetworksllc.com To: af@afmug.com Sent: Wednesday, April 8, 2015 1:49:05 PM Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Low Voltage Disconnect First off I'd suggest getting enough batteries that you wouldn't need an LVD. Second, I'd rather see my batteries lose a bit of life and keep the site up then have everything go down saving my batteries. Tertiary/finally, what equipment do you have now? My regulator cuts off at 19v and still provides 24v. I figure the batteries are at 9.5v they're already sper low. Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373 On Wed, Apr 8, 2015 at 2:44 PM, Christopher Tyler ch...@totalhighspeed.net wrote: Looking for recommendations on a 24v LVD to protect our batteries from being drained. Anyone have one they recommend? -- Christopher Tyler MTCRE/MTCNA/MTCTCE/MTCWE Total Highspeed Internet Services 417.851.1107
Re: [AFMUG] problems with Youtube intermittent
Ok .. try this if you want to know where it is: Traceroute r1.ord30s17.c.youtube.com :) I can’t remember that “r1” is … believe it’s “region 1” Paul From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Ken Hohhof Sent: Wednesday, April 8, 2015 10:35 AM To: af@afmug.com Subject: Re: [AFMUG] problems with Youtube intermittent It seems to be saying your nearest content server is in Chicago (ORD=OHare). Here in the Chicago suburbs on ATT UVerse, I get 99.67.197.47 = ord30s17 : router: pr02.ord12 next_hop_address: 127.0.0.1 (99.67.128.0/17) From: Josh Luthman mailto:j...@imaginenetworksllc.com Sent: Wednesday, April 08, 2015 9:23 AM To: af@afmug.com mailto:af@afmug.com Subject: Re: [AFMUG] problems with Youtube intermittent It tells me: 74.218.208.210 = ord31s13 : router: pr03.ord12 next_hop_address: 127.0.0.1 (74.218.208.0/20 http://74.218.208.0/20 ) I don't understand what it's saying? Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373 On Wed, Apr 8, 2015 at 10:22 AM, Glen Waldrop gwl...@cngwireless.net mailto:gwl...@cngwireless.net wrote: Not sure what it is suppose to show, but it looks like it is blaming the problem on a subnet that isn't through my tracert or involved in my network in any way. - Original Message - From: Paul Stewart mailto:p...@paulstewart.org To: af@afmug.com mailto:af@afmug.com Sent: Wednesday, April 08, 2015 5:24 AM Subject: Re: [AFMUG] problems with Youtube intermittent Asking if Youtube is having problems is pretty vague without more information. Their content delivery is very ‘segmented’ per region and sometimes per provider. What does the output of http://redirector.c.youtube.com/report_mapping show you? Paul From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com ] On Behalf Of Paul McCall Sent: Tuesday, April 7, 2015 10:36 PM To: af@afmug.com mailto:af@afmug.com Cc: All Users Subject: Re: [AFMUG] problems with Youtube intermittent Looks like its just certain parts of the country… https://downdetector.com/status/youtube From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Josh Luthman Sent: Tuesday, April 07, 2015 10:23 PM To: af@afmug.com mailto:af@afmug.com Subject: Re: [AFMUG] problems with Youtube intermittent No reports and a couple videos work for me. Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340 tel:937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343 tel:937-552-2343 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373 On Apr 7, 2015 10:22 PM, Paul McCall pa...@pdmnet.net mailto:pa...@pdmnet.net wrote: Anybody seeing Youtube having some challenges this evening? Paul McCall, Pres. PDMNet / Florida Broadband 658 Old Dixie Highway Vero Beach, FL 32962 772-564-6800 tel:772-564-6800 office 772-473-0352 tel:772-473-0352 cell www.pdmnet.com http://www.pdmnet.com/ pa...@pdmnet.net mailto:pa...@pdmnet.net
Re: [AFMUG] problems with Youtube intermittent
When I torch youtube traffic, rDNS on the IP always seems to come back 1e100.net, not youtube.com. So I wonder if there is the youtube.com website and then the actual content servers. From: Paul Stewart Sent: Wednesday, April 08, 2015 10:41 AM To: af@afmug.com Subject: Re: [AFMUG] problems with Youtube intermittent Ok .. try this if you want to know where it is: Traceroute r1.ord30s17.c.youtube.com J I can’t remember that “r1” is … believe it’s “region 1” Paul From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Ken Hohhof Sent: Wednesday, April 8, 2015 10:35 AM To: af@afmug.com Subject: Re: [AFMUG] problems with Youtube intermittent It seems to be saying your nearest content server is in Chicago (ORD=OHare). Here in the Chicago suburbs on ATT UVerse, I get 99.67.197.47 = ord30s17 : router: pr02.ord12 next_hop_address: 127.0.0.1 (99.67.128.0/17) From: Josh Luthman Sent: Wednesday, April 08, 2015 9:23 AM To: af@afmug.com Subject: Re: [AFMUG] problems with Youtube intermittent It tells me: 74.218.208.210 = ord31s13 : router: pr03.ord12 next_hop_address: 127.0.0.1 (74.218.208.0/20) I don't understand what it's saying? Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373 On Wed, Apr 8, 2015 at 10:22 AM, Glen Waldrop gwl...@cngwireless.net wrote: Not sure what it is suppose to show, but it looks like it is blaming the problem on a subnet that isn't through my tracert or involved in my network in any way. - Original Message - From: Paul Stewart To: af@afmug.com Sent: Wednesday, April 08, 2015 5:24 AM Subject: Re: [AFMUG] problems with Youtube intermittent Asking if Youtube is having problems is pretty vague without more information. Their content delivery is very ‘segmented’ per region and sometimes per provider. What does the output of http://redirector.c.youtube.com/report_mapping show you? Paul From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Paul McCall Sent: Tuesday, April 7, 2015 10:36 PM To: af@afmug.com Cc: All Users Subject: Re: [AFMUG] problems with Youtube intermittent Looks like its just certain parts of the country… https://downdetector.com/status/youtube From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Josh Luthman Sent: Tuesday, April 07, 2015 10:23 PM To: af@afmug.com Subject: Re: [AFMUG] problems with Youtube intermittent No reports and a couple videos work for me. Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373 On Apr 7, 2015 10:22 PM, Paul McCall pa...@pdmnet.net wrote: Anybody seeing Youtube having some challenges this evening? Paul McCall, Pres. PDMNet / Florida Broadband 658 Old Dixie Highway Vero Beach, FL 32962 772-564-6800 office 772-473-0352 cell www.pdmnet.com pa...@pdmnet.net
Re: [AFMUG] sonic.net values privacy - i guess if you have $$ you can stand up to uncle sam
Here's a good case ongoing with your friends in the north too http://www.thestar.com/business/2014/02/21/canadian_court_ruling_in_teksavvy _file_sharing_case_a_blow_to_copyright_trolls_geist.html From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of CBB - Jay Fuller Sent: Wednesday, April 8, 2015 12:35 PM To: memb...@wispa.org; af@afmug.com Subject: [AFMUG] sonic.net values privacy - i guess if you have $$ you can stand up to uncle sam http://www.dailydot.com/politics/sonic-isp-privacy/ great article!
Re: [AFMUG] hackers/hacking, meh
Same with credit cards.. I had a guy said someone hacked in a and got is credit card info.. PFFT Please. #1. your in arkansas No one within a 200mile radius even knows how to hack a BASIC secured wifi connection much less be able to decipher the encryption used between payment gateway and the credit card machine. #2. you were probably surfing porn and got a nasty Trojan with std on it which exploited your card when you wanted to see more of the peep show. LOL On 04/08/2015 11:33 AM, Glen Waldrop wrote: I get calls on this all the time. 99.999% of the time it is spyware. I've worked on about four legitimate hacks since 93. - Original Message - *From:* That One Guy /sarcasm mailto:thatoneguyst...@gmail.com *To:* af@afmug.com mailto:af@afmug.com *Sent:* Wednesday, April 08, 2015 11:10 AM *Subject:* [AFMUG] hackers/hacking, meh http://www.bostonglobe.com/business/2015/04/06/tewksbury-police-pay-bitcoin-ransom-hackers/PkcE1GBTOfU52p31F9FM5L/story.html This type of fluff article irritates me. That abuse of the term hacking/hacker is comparable to the abuse of the term engineer. my facebook got hacked!! no it didnt, you left your device signed in or you followed a phishing link, you werent hacked, your ignorance was exploited with zero knowledge that you even exist a hacker encrypted my data no, in all likelyhood, a script kiddie out there altered code from an existing ransomeware package to become the beneficiary of your ignorance in opening suspect attachments and profited by your inability to follow the simple instruction:back that shit up. no hackers involved In terms of technical prowess, and both the criminal and white hat environment, hack and hacker used to garner some respect, now the terms are so misused they have no value. This is just going to leave me very irritated the rest of the day -- If you only see yourself as part of the team but you don't see your team as part of yourself you have already failed as part of the team.
[AFMUG] That's a lot of towers
http://www.telecomramblings.com/2015/04/china-tower-could-take-control-of-1m-towers/ - Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions http://www.ics-il.com
Re: [AFMUG] Low Voltage Disconnect
LVD is a built in feature on the Meanwell AD-155 and the Traco TSP BCM. It's also a built in feature on solar controllers. What are you using for a charger? We are currently testing using two 12v 100Ah telecom batteries in series. They are slightly expensive to replace, especially when we will have four (or more) at some sites, most will have two. I'm using a Meanwell RSD-100B-24 regulator for the Tik RB-493G router right now. Looks like the cutout for the regulator is around 16v from what I can decipher from the datasheet. My test radios (2 Canopy and 2 UBNT) are connected to the battery without regulation. This setup will drain the batteries until they are pretty much dead and buried. I ran them over the weekend and I figured it would stop draining around 10v at worst, it didn't. They ended up around 6v in parallel or 3v per battery. I figure I shaved off some capacity and lifetime of my test batteries with that, hopefully not too much.
Re: [AFMUG] Low Voltage Disconnect
AD-155 battery low: 10V 0.8V 19.5V(+1.5V,-1V ) 39V 2V So it would cut out at 18.5v - or 9.25v each battery; is that high enough for this purpose? Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373 On Wed, Apr 8, 2015 at 3:29 PM, Adam Moffett dmmoff...@gmail.com wrote: LVD is a built in feature on the Meanwell AD-155 and the Traco TSP BCM. It's also a built in feature on solar controllers. What are you using for a charger? We are currently testing using two 12v 100Ah telecom batteries in series. They are slightly expensive to replace, especially when we will have four (or more) at some sites, most will have two. I'm using a Meanwell RSD-100B-24 regulator for the Tik RB-493G router right now. Looks like the cutout for the regulator is around 16v from what I can decipher from the datasheet. My test radios (2 Canopy and 2 UBNT) are connected to the battery without regulation. This setup will drain the batteries until they are pretty much dead and buried. I ran them over the weekend and I figured it would stop draining around 10v at worst, it didn't. They ended up around 6v in parallel or 3v per battery. I figure I shaved off some capacity and lifetime of my test batteries with that, hopefully not too much.
Re: [AFMUG] current state of ubnt snmp?
figured wth, this 5.6.1 beta 3 is out so i put that on some test units,
nice to see a real time tool available again, that never hurts
We dont do much with our UBNT its pretty much all wds bridge, so are there
any major bugs? I see something about titanium rockets croaking on gigabit
ethernet, is that across the board for them?
On Tue, Apr 7, 2015 at 6:14 PM, timothy steele timothy.pct...@gmail.com
wrote:
There is a list of working OIDs for 5.5.10 on the power code forum I don't
have a link sorry
—
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On Tue, Apr 7, 2015 at 6:13 PM, Josh Luthman j...@imaginenetworksllc.com
wrote:
No Airmax. No ETH status. I'm sure there is more.
Josh Luthman
Office: 937-552-2340
Direct: 937-552-2343
1100 Wayne St
Suite 1337
Troy, OH 45373
On Apr 7, 2015 6:01 PM, Bill Prince part15...@gmail.com wrote:
The existing SNMP stack on 5.5.10 works as long as you *DON'T TOUCH*
the OIDs that don't work. Touch any of the non-functional OIDs and the SNMP
query will come back null. The OIDs that do work (and I haven't explored
extensively) are:
traffic
uptime
signal level
data rate
load average
noise floor (but it's a lie)
We also have 5.6 running on exactly one subscriber radio. It provides
many more OIDs that all seem to work. It's been running fine for about 2
months with no apparent problems. Note that all the OIDs are different
between 5.5.10 and 5.6.
bp
part15sbs{at}gmail{dot}com
On 4/7/2015 2:47 PM, That One Guy /sarcasm wrote:
most of our ubnt crap sits on 5.5.10, of course the powercode real time
monitors dont work, halk the existing graphs arent working
trying to figure out from the ubnt forums where snmp stands is like
screwing a piranha.
pretty much everything thats not airfiber we have is M series. Is there
a list of functional OIDs for 5.5.10?
isnt 5.6 beta supposed to have some mibs? is there a stable enough beta?
what year is this?
--
If you only see yourself as part of the team but you don't see your
team as part of yourself you have already failed as part of the team.
--
If you only see yourself as part of the team but you don't see your team as
part of yourself you have already failed as part of the team.
Re: [AFMUG] current state of ubnt snmp?
Issue with their gigabit nic drivers on the XW Ti's
we just set them at 100Mb and let em run wild
party on wayne
On 04/08/2015 11:38 AM, That One Guy /sarcasm wrote:
figured wth, this 5.6.1 beta 3 is out so i put that on some test
units, nice to see a real time tool available again, that never hurts
We dont do much with our UBNT its pretty much all wds bridge, so are
there any major bugs? I see something about titanium rockets croaking
on gigabit ethernet, is that across the board for them?
On Tue, Apr 7, 2015 at 6:14 PM, timothy steele
timothy.pct...@gmail.com mailto:timothy.pct...@gmail.com wrote:
There is a list of working OIDs for 5.5.10 on the power code forum
I don't have a link sorry
—
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On Tue, Apr 7, 2015 at 6:13 PM, Josh Luthman
j...@imaginenetworksllc.com mailto:j...@imaginenetworksllc.com
wrote:
No Airmax. No ETH status. I'm sure there is more.
Josh Luthman
Office: 937-552-2340 tel:937-552-2340
Direct: 937-552-2343 tel:937-552-2343
1100 Wayne St
Suite 1337
Troy, OH 45373
On Apr 7, 2015 6:01 PM, Bill Prince part15...@gmail.com
mailto:part15...@gmail.com wrote:
The existing SNMP stack on 5.5.10 works as long as you
_*DON'T TOUCH*_ the OIDs that don't work. Touch any of the
non-functional OIDs and the SNMP query will come back
null. The OIDs that do work (and I haven't explored
extensively) are:
traffic
uptime
signal level
data rate
load average
noise floor (but it's a lie)
We also have 5.6 running on exactly one subscriber radio.
It provides many more OIDs that all seem to work. It's
been running fine for about 2 months with no apparent
problems. Note that all the OIDs are different between
5.5.10 and 5.6.
bp
part15sbs{at}gmail{dot}com
On 4/7/2015 2:47 PM, That One Guy /sarcasm wrote:
most of our ubnt crap sits on 5.5.10, of course the
powercode real time monitors dont work, halk the existing
graphs arent working
trying to figure out from the ubnt forums where snmp
stands is like screwing a piranha.
pretty much everything thats not airfiber we have is M
series. Is there a list of functional OIDs for 5.5.10?
isnt 5.6 beta supposed to have some mibs? is there a
stable enough beta?
what year is this?
--
If you only see yourself as part of the team but
you don't see your team as part of yourself you
have already failed as part of the team.
--
If you only see yourself as part of the team but you don't see your
team as part of yourself you have already failed as part of the team.
Re: [AFMUG] Low Voltage Disconnect
I used a Tripp-Lite APC750 that we have to charge the batteries. It's a 12v system though, so to keep it simple for the test I just rewired the batteries in series to get 24v and then plugged the batteries in to the circuit without anything in between (TrippLite was disconnected as well). Just raw DC power straight from the trough. :) We do have a Traco TSP-BCM24A which I used to charged the batteries back up which I should have used (hindsight). Oddly enough the batteries seem to be fine, they are holding steady at about 24v, have not tested capacity yet though. So note to self, use a charge controller next time, it has the LVD built in. Got it. -- Christopher Tyler MTCRE/MTCNA/MTCTCE/MTCWE Total Highspeed Internet Services 417.851.1107 - Original Message - From: Adam Moffett dmmoff...@gmail.com To: af@afmug.com Sent: Wednesday, April 8, 2015 2:29:15 PM Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Low Voltage Disconnect LVD is a built in feature on the Meanwell AD-155 and the Traco TSP BCM. It's also a built in feature on solar controllers. What are you using for a charger? We are currently testing using two 12v 100Ah telecom batteries in series. They are slightly expensive to replace, especially when we will have four (or more) at some sites, most will have two. I'm using a Meanwell RSD-100B-24 regulator for the Tik RB-493G router right now. Looks like the cutout for the regulator is around 16v from what I can decipher from the datasheet. My test radios (2 Canopy and 2 UBNT) are connected to the battery without regulation. This setup will drain the batteries until they are pretty much dead and buried. I ran them over the weekend and I figured it would stop draining around 10v at worst, it didn't. They ended up around 6v in parallel or 3v per battery. I figure I shaved off some capacity and lifetime of my test batteries with that, hopefully not too much.
Re: [AFMUG] That's a lot of towers
Shows how lack of infrastructure can drive wireless. Also shows our relative importance to the rest of the world Jerry On Apr 8, 2015, at 11:24 AM, Randy Cosby dco...@infowest.com wrote: I can't even get my head around the scale of things in places like China and India. On 4/8/2015 11:59 AM, Mike Hammett wrote: http://www.telecomramblings.com/2015/04/china-tower-could-take-control-of-1m-towers/ - Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions http://www.ics-il.com
Re: [AFMUG] Low Voltage Disconnect
Better than 3v. AD-155 battery low: 10V 0.8V 19.5V(+1.5V,-1V ) 39V 2V So it would cut out at 18.5v - or 9.25v each battery; is that high enough for this purpose? Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340 tel:937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343 tel:937-552-2343 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373 On Wed, Apr 8, 2015 at 3:29 PM, Adam Moffett dmmoff...@gmail.com mailto:dmmoff...@gmail.com wrote: LVD is a built in feature on the Meanwell AD-155 and the Traco TSP BCM. It's also a built in feature on solar controllers. What are you using for a charger? We are currently testing using two 12v 100Ah telecom batteries in series. They are slightly expensive to replace, especially when we will have four (or more) at some sites, most will have two. I'm using a Meanwell RSD-100B-24 regulator for the Tik RB-493G router right now. Looks like the cutout for the regulator is around 16v from what I can decipher from the datasheet. My test radios (2 Canopy and 2 UBNT) are connected to the battery without regulation. This setup will drain the batteries until they are pretty much dead and buried. I ran them over the weekend and I figured it would stop draining around 10v at worst, it didn't. They ended up around 6v in parallel or 3v per battery. I figure I shaved off some capacity and lifetime of my test batteries with that, hopefully not too much.
Re: [AFMUG] Low Voltage Disconnect
Commercial power. -- Christopher Tyler MTCRE/MTCNA/MTCTCE/MTCWE Total Highspeed Internet Services 417.851.1107 - Original Message - From: Ken Hohhof af...@kwisp.com To: af@afmug.com Sent: Wednesday, April 8, 2015 3:18:25 PM Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Low Voltage Disconnect Is this powered by solar or commercial power? One approach is to use a charger that includes a LVD, like the Traco TSP-BCM (which controls a TSP series AC/DC power supply). The LVD is fixed not adjustable. -Original Message- From: Christopher Tyler Sent: Wednesday, April 08, 2015 2:23 PM To: af@afmug.com Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Low Voltage Disconnect We are currently testing using two 12v 100Ah telecom batteries in series. They are slightly expensive to replace, especially when we will have four (or more) at some sites, most will have two. I'm using a Meanwell RSD-100B-24 regulator for the Tik RB-493G router right now. Looks like the cutout for the regulator is around 16v from what I can decipher from the datasheet. My test radios (2 Canopy and 2 UBNT) are connected to the battery without regulation. This setup will drain the batteries until they are pretty much dead and buried. I ran them over the weekend and I figured it would stop draining around 10v at worst, it didn't. They ended up around 6v in parallel or 3v per battery. I figure I shaved off some capacity and lifetime of my test batteries with that, hopefully not too much. -- Christopher Tyler MTCRE/MTCNA/MTCTCE/MTCWE Total Highspeed Internet Services 417.851.1107 - Original Message - From: Josh Luthman j...@imaginenetworksllc.com To: af@afmug.com Sent: Wednesday, April 8, 2015 1:49:05 PM Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Low Voltage Disconnect First off I'd suggest getting enough batteries that you wouldn't need an LVD. Second, I'd rather see my batteries lose a bit of life and keep the site up then have everything go down saving my batteries. Tertiary/finally, what equipment do you have now? My regulator cuts off at 19v and still provides 24v. I figure the batteries are at 9.5v they're already sper low. Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373 On Wed, Apr 8, 2015 at 2:44 PM, Christopher Tyler ch...@totalhighspeed.net wrote: Looking for recommendations on a 24v LVD to protect our batteries from being drained. Anyone have one they recommend? -- Christopher Tyler MTCRE/MTCNA/MTCTCE/MTCWE Total Highspeed Internet Services 417.851.1107
Re: [AFMUG] Low Voltage Disconnect
I can't speak for the LVD (I'm sure someone can), but I don't see any fuses on your DC distribution. I may just be missing them, but if not, you may want to consider adding some. It would be a good practice to put DC breakers/fuses in between your battery bank and charger as well. On Wed, Apr 8, 2015 at 4:27 PM, Christopher Tyler ch...@totalhighspeed.net wrote: Might help if there was a pic, eh? -- Christopher Tyler MTCRE/MTCNA/MTCTCE/MTCWE Total Highspeed Internet Services 417.851.1107 - Original Message - From: Christopher Tyler ch...@totalhighspeed.net To: af@afmug.com Sent: Wednesday, April 8, 2015 3:27:15 PM Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Low Voltage Disconnect Attached is a picture of the setup as it is now. 24 supply and 24v loads, everything feeds through the Meanwell regulator. I followed the instructions from Traco, but as you can see the battery is currently at about 23v and that is what the Traco power supply is outputting. The instructions say to turn the power supply all the way down and to let the BCM control the output. It's all set up, jumper is in position 1, the feedback cable is connected between the PS and the BCM but the BCM doesn't appear to be telling the power supply to do anything except turn on. Anyone with some experience with Traco care to tell me what I'm doing wrong. It's worked like this since day one, the BCM doesn't appear to be doing anything regardless of the battery voltage. -- Christopher Tyler MTCRE/MTCNA/MTCTCE/MTCWE Total Highspeed Internet Services 417.851.1107 - Original Message - From: Christopher Tyler ch...@totalhighspeed.net To: af@afmug.com Sent: Wednesday, April 8, 2015 3:19:35 PM Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Low Voltage Disconnect Commercial power. -- Christopher Tyler MTCRE/MTCNA/MTCTCE/MTCWE Total Highspeed Internet Services 417.851.1107 - Original Message - From: Ken Hohhof af...@kwisp.com To: af@afmug.com Sent: Wednesday, April 8, 2015 3:18:25 PM Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Low Voltage Disconnect Is this powered by solar or commercial power? One approach is to use a charger that includes a LVD, like the Traco TSP-BCM (which controls a TSP series AC/DC power supply). The LVD is fixed not adjustable. -Original Message- From: Christopher Tyler Sent: Wednesday, April 08, 2015 2:23 PM To: af@afmug.com Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Low Voltage Disconnect We are currently testing using two 12v 100Ah telecom batteries in series. They are slightly expensive to replace, especially when we will have four (or more) at some sites, most will have two. I'm using a Meanwell RSD-100B-24 regulator for the Tik RB-493G router right now. Looks like the cutout for the regulator is around 16v from what I can decipher from the datasheet. My test radios (2 Canopy and 2 UBNT) are connected to the battery without regulation. This setup will drain the batteries until they are pretty much dead and buried. I ran them over the weekend and I figured it would stop draining around 10v at worst, it didn't. They ended up around 6v in parallel or 3v per battery. I figure I shaved off some capacity and lifetime of my test batteries with that, hopefully not too much. -- Christopher Tyler MTCRE/MTCNA/MTCTCE/MTCWE Total Highspeed Internet Services 417.851.1107 - Original Message - From: Josh Luthman j...@imaginenetworksllc.com To: af@afmug.com Sent: Wednesday, April 8, 2015 1:49:05 PM Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Low Voltage Disconnect First off I'd suggest getting enough batteries that you wouldn't need an LVD. Second, I'd rather see my batteries lose a bit of life and keep the site up then have everything go down saving my batteries. Tertiary/finally, what equipment do you have now? My regulator cuts off at 19v and still provides 24v. I figure the batteries are at 9.5v they're already sper low. Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373 On Wed, Apr 8, 2015 at 2:44 PM, Christopher Tyler ch...@totalhighspeed.net wrote: Looking for recommendations on a 24v LVD to protect our batteries from being drained. Anyone have one they recommend? -- Christopher Tyler MTCRE/MTCNA/MTCTCE/MTCWE Total Highspeed Internet Services 417.851.1107
Re: [AFMUG] Low Voltage Disconnect
For some solar sites, we'll use a Morningstar Tristar MPPT 60 as the charger, then a Morningstar Tristar TS-60 (non-mppt) in LVD mode. Price isn't too bad and you can set the voltage points with dip switches. On 4/8/2015 12:44 PM, Christopher Tyler wrote: Looking for recommendations on a 24v LVD to protect our batteries from being drained. Anyone have one they recommend?
[AFMUG] Heads up on IT Elite EPMP Antennas
We have used a couple of the IT Elite cPRO-SECTOR50018Dual sectors for EPMP build-outs. They are like this http://www.itelite.net/en/Katalog/Radio//PRO-SECTOR50018dual-HVBOX.html but with an EPMP Bracket on the inside, and Ethernet/GPS connections on the bottom of the antenna, and a magnet on top to stick the GPS Puck. We though they were pretty cool, since the radio is enclosed inside the antenna, you don't have to worry about Weatherproofing the coax connections. Today I was out at a site troubleshooting Ethernet issues on one of the sectors and found that the Ethernet bulkhead connector at the bottom of the antenna was all burned up. I checked the other sector that I had at the site and it was all burned as well, but still functioning. I'm not sure how the water got in there, my working theory is that somehow it filled up the inside of the bulkhead grommet, but I don't know if it came from inside the antenna, or somehow got around the grommet on the outside. When I pulled the bulkhead out, there was no sign of water on the outside of the bulkhead. The Bulkhead is at the highest point on the cable, so there is no way that water could have run inside the cable into the bulkhead. For the other ITElite sectors I have deployed, I'm probably going to preemptively go pull out the bulkhead, and run the cable directly into the radio. Nate
Re: [AFMUG] Low Voltage Disconnect
Our 24V solar sites go up to about 28.5 volts when they are in bulk
charge mode, then drop to about 27.5 volts when in float. A typical
partly cloudty day is shown below for one of our solar sites. The big
dip in the afternoon was some big clouds rolling through.
So we feel obliged to protect UBNT equipment with a 36/72 V - 24 V
converter, because I think going up to 28.5V might just let the smoke out.
bp
part15sbs{at}gmail{dot}com
On 4/8/2015 12:28 PM, Josh Luthman wrote:
Correct:
continuous 16.8 ~ 31.2VDC
1 second 14.4 ~ 33.6VDC
If you already dropped them to 3v I think they'd be toast.
If you didn't have your charger you're not really testing the
compatibility with Ubnt. I believe the cut off is something like
27.5v for the Airmax stuff and your charge is around 27.3 (depending
on battery). To me, that was too close for comfort and hence I use
the regulator.
I don't know why you would expect them to stop at 10v. At 20v both
Canopy and Ubnt would happily run. The radios would continue to pull
power from the batteries forever.
Josh Luthman
Office: 937-552-2340
Direct: 937-552-2343
1100 Wayne St
Suite 1337
Troy, OH 45373
On Wed, Apr 8, 2015 at 3:23 PM, Christopher Tyler
ch...@totalhighspeed.net mailto:ch...@totalhighspeed.net wrote:
We are currently testing using two 12v 100Ah telecom batteries in
series.
They are slightly expensive to replace, especially when we will
have four (or more) at some sites, most will have two.
I'm using a Meanwell RSD-100B-24 regulator for the Tik RB-493G
router right now. Looks like the cutout for the regulator is
around 16v from what I can decipher from the datasheet.
My test radios (2 Canopy and 2 UBNT) are connected to the battery
without regulation.
This setup will drain the batteries until they are pretty much
dead and buried. I ran them over the weekend and I figured it
would stop draining around 10v at worst, it didn't. They ended up
around 6v in parallel or 3v per battery. I figure I shaved off
some capacity and lifetime of my test batteries with that,
hopefully not too much.
--
Christopher Tyler
MTCRE/MTCNA/MTCTCE/MTCWE
Total Highspeed Internet Services
417.851.1107 tel:417.851.1107
- Original Message -
From: Josh Luthman j...@imaginenetworksllc.com
mailto:j...@imaginenetworksllc.com
To: af@afmug.com mailto:af@afmug.com
Sent: Wednesday, April 8, 2015 1:49:05 PM
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Low Voltage Disconnect
First off I'd suggest getting enough batteries that you wouldn't
need an
LVD.
Second, I'd rather see my batteries lose a bit of life and keep
the site up
then have everything go down saving my batteries.
Tertiary/finally, what equipment do you have now? My regulator
cuts off at
19v and still provides 24v. I figure the batteries are at 9.5v
they're
already sper low.
Josh Luthman
Office: 937-552-2340
Direct: 937-552-2343
1100 Wayne St
Suite 1337
Troy, OH 45373
On Wed, Apr 8, 2015 at 2:44 PM, Christopher Tyler
ch...@totalhighspeed.net mailto:ch...@totalhighspeed.net
wrote:
Looking for recommendations on a 24v LVD to protect our
batteries from
being drained.
Anyone have one they recommend?
--
Christopher Tyler
MTCRE/MTCNA/MTCTCE/MTCWE
Total Highspeed Internet Services
417.851.1107 tel:417.851.1107
Re: [AFMUG] Low Voltage Disconnect
Attached is a picture of the setup as it is now. 24 supply and 24v loads, everything feeds through the Meanwell regulator. I followed the instructions from Traco, but as you can see the battery is currently at about 23v and that is what the Traco power supply is outputting. The instructions say to turn the power supply all the way down and to let the BCM control the output. It's all set up, jumper is in position 1, the feedback cable is connected between the PS and the BCM but the BCM doesn't appear to be telling the power supply to do anything except turn on. Anyone with some experience with Traco care to tell me what I'm doing wrong. It's worked like this since day one, the BCM doesn't appear to be doing anything regardless of the battery voltage. -- Christopher Tyler MTCRE/MTCNA/MTCTCE/MTCWE Total Highspeed Internet Services 417.851.1107 - Original Message - From: Christopher Tyler ch...@totalhighspeed.net To: af@afmug.com Sent: Wednesday, April 8, 2015 3:19:35 PM Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Low Voltage Disconnect Commercial power. -- Christopher Tyler MTCRE/MTCNA/MTCTCE/MTCWE Total Highspeed Internet Services 417.851.1107 - Original Message - From: Ken Hohhof af...@kwisp.com To: af@afmug.com Sent: Wednesday, April 8, 2015 3:18:25 PM Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Low Voltage Disconnect Is this powered by solar or commercial power? One approach is to use a charger that includes a LVD, like the Traco TSP-BCM (which controls a TSP series AC/DC power supply). The LVD is fixed not adjustable. -Original Message- From: Christopher Tyler Sent: Wednesday, April 08, 2015 2:23 PM To: af@afmug.com Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Low Voltage Disconnect We are currently testing using two 12v 100Ah telecom batteries in series. They are slightly expensive to replace, especially when we will have four (or more) at some sites, most will have two. I'm using a Meanwell RSD-100B-24 regulator for the Tik RB-493G router right now. Looks like the cutout for the regulator is around 16v from what I can decipher from the datasheet. My test radios (2 Canopy and 2 UBNT) are connected to the battery without regulation. This setup will drain the batteries until they are pretty much dead and buried. I ran them over the weekend and I figured it would stop draining around 10v at worst, it didn't. They ended up around 6v in parallel or 3v per battery. I figure I shaved off some capacity and lifetime of my test batteries with that, hopefully not too much. -- Christopher Tyler MTCRE/MTCNA/MTCTCE/MTCWE Total Highspeed Internet Services 417.851.1107 - Original Message - From: Josh Luthman j...@imaginenetworksllc.com To: af@afmug.com Sent: Wednesday, April 8, 2015 1:49:05 PM Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Low Voltage Disconnect First off I'd suggest getting enough batteries that you wouldn't need an LVD. Second, I'd rather see my batteries lose a bit of life and keep the site up then have everything go down saving my batteries. Tertiary/finally, what equipment do you have now? My regulator cuts off at 19v and still provides 24v. I figure the batteries are at 9.5v they're already sper low. Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373 On Wed, Apr 8, 2015 at 2:44 PM, Christopher Tyler ch...@totalhighspeed.net wrote: Looking for recommendations on a 24v LVD to protect our batteries from being drained. Anyone have one they recommend? -- Christopher Tyler MTCRE/MTCNA/MTCTCE/MTCWE Total Highspeed Internet Services 417.851.1107
Re: [AFMUG] Low Voltage Disconnect
Is this powered by solar or commercial power? One approach is to use a charger that includes a LVD, like the Traco TSP-BCM (which controls a TSP series AC/DC power supply). The LVD is fixed not adjustable. -Original Message- From: Christopher Tyler Sent: Wednesday, April 08, 2015 2:23 PM To: af@afmug.com Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Low Voltage Disconnect We are currently testing using two 12v 100Ah telecom batteries in series. They are slightly expensive to replace, especially when we will have four (or more) at some sites, most will have two. I'm using a Meanwell RSD-100B-24 regulator for the Tik RB-493G router right now. Looks like the cutout for the regulator is around 16v from what I can decipher from the datasheet. My test radios (2 Canopy and 2 UBNT) are connected to the battery without regulation. This setup will drain the batteries until they are pretty much dead and buried. I ran them over the weekend and I figured it would stop draining around 10v at worst, it didn't. They ended up around 6v in parallel or 3v per battery. I figure I shaved off some capacity and lifetime of my test batteries with that, hopefully not too much. -- Christopher Tyler MTCRE/MTCNA/MTCTCE/MTCWE Total Highspeed Internet Services 417.851.1107 - Original Message - From: Josh Luthman j...@imaginenetworksllc.com To: af@afmug.com Sent: Wednesday, April 8, 2015 1:49:05 PM Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Low Voltage Disconnect First off I'd suggest getting enough batteries that you wouldn't need an LVD. Second, I'd rather see my batteries lose a bit of life and keep the site up then have everything go down saving my batteries. Tertiary/finally, what equipment do you have now? My regulator cuts off at 19v and still provides 24v. I figure the batteries are at 9.5v they're already sper low. Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373 On Wed, Apr 8, 2015 at 2:44 PM, Christopher Tyler ch...@totalhighspeed.net wrote: Looking for recommendations on a 24v LVD to protect our batteries from being drained. Anyone have one they recommend? -- Christopher Tyler MTCRE/MTCNA/MTCTCE/MTCWE Total Highspeed Internet Services 417.851.1107
Re: [AFMUG] iOS 8.3
It is for my youngest in college. .. Jaime Solorza On Apr 8, 2015 6:04 PM, Mathew Howard mhoward...@gmail.com wrote: Ah yes... I'm sure all that traffic on Sunday nights is homework... On Wed, Apr 8, 2015 at 6:46 PM, Glen Waldrop gwl...@cngwireless.net wrote: That has to be it. - Original Message - From: Ken Hohhof af...@kwisp.com To: af@afmug.com Sent: Wednesday, April 08, 2015 6:37 PM Subject: [AFMUG] iOS 8.3 We're supposed to have our first big storm of the year, so I assume all customers will be home watching Netflix and downloading the latest iOS upgrade. Of course I had one caller with Frontier DSL tell me that he assumed the Internet was always slow on Sunday night because all the kids were working feverishly to finish their homework.
Re: [AFMUG] iOS 8.3
That has to be it. - Original Message - From: Ken Hohhof af...@kwisp.com To: af@afmug.com Sent: Wednesday, April 08, 2015 6:37 PM Subject: [AFMUG] iOS 8.3 We're supposed to have our first big storm of the year, so I assume all customers will be home watching Netflix and downloading the latest iOS upgrade. Of course I had one caller with Frontier DSL tell me that he assumed the Internet was always slow on Sunday night because all the kids were working feverishly to finish their homework.
Re: [AFMUG] Low Voltage Disconnect
Also there is a fuse in the Traco BCM, I assume you’ve checked that. I have at least one of these and it works as you’d expect. I think George has a bunch of them, maybe he’ll weigh in. From: Josh Baird Sent: Wednesday, April 08, 2015 3:37 PM To: af@afmug.com Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Low Voltage Disconnect I can't speak for the LVD (I'm sure someone can), but I don't see any fuses on your DC distribution. I may just be missing them, but if not, you may want to consider adding some. It would be a good practice to put DC breakers/fuses in between your battery bank and charger as well. On Wed, Apr 8, 2015 at 4:27 PM, Christopher Tyler ch...@totalhighspeed.net wrote: Might help if there was a pic, eh? -- Christopher Tyler MTCRE/MTCNA/MTCTCE/MTCWE Total Highspeed Internet Services 417.851.1107 - Original Message - From: Christopher Tyler ch...@totalhighspeed.net To: af@afmug.com Sent: Wednesday, April 8, 2015 3:27:15 PM Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Low Voltage Disconnect Attached is a picture of the setup as it is now. 24 supply and 24v loads, everything feeds through the Meanwell regulator. I followed the instructions from Traco, but as you can see the battery is currently at about 23v and that is what the Traco power supply is outputting. The instructions say to turn the power supply all the way down and to let the BCM control the output. It's all set up, jumper is in position 1, the feedback cable is connected between the PS and the BCM but the BCM doesn't appear to be telling the power supply to do anything except turn on. Anyone with some experience with Traco care to tell me what I'm doing wrong. It's worked like this since day one, the BCM doesn't appear to be doing anything regardless of the battery voltage. -- Christopher Tyler MTCRE/MTCNA/MTCTCE/MTCWE Total Highspeed Internet Services 417.851.1107 - Original Message - From: Christopher Tyler ch...@totalhighspeed.net To: af@afmug.com Sent: Wednesday, April 8, 2015 3:19:35 PM Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Low Voltage Disconnect Commercial power. -- Christopher Tyler MTCRE/MTCNA/MTCTCE/MTCWE Total Highspeed Internet Services 417.851.1107 - Original Message - From: Ken Hohhof af...@kwisp.com To: af@afmug.com Sent: Wednesday, April 8, 2015 3:18:25 PM Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Low Voltage Disconnect Is this powered by solar or commercial power? One approach is to use a charger that includes a LVD, like the Traco TSP-BCM (which controls a TSP series AC/DC power supply). The LVD is fixed not adjustable. -Original Message- From: Christopher Tyler Sent: Wednesday, April 08, 2015 2:23 PM To: af@afmug.com Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Low Voltage Disconnect We are currently testing using two 12v 100Ah telecom batteries in series. They are slightly expensive to replace, especially when we will have four (or more) at some sites, most will have two. I'm using a Meanwell RSD-100B-24 regulator for the Tik RB-493G router right now. Looks like the cutout for the regulator is around 16v from what I can decipher from the datasheet. My test radios (2 Canopy and 2 UBNT) are connected to the battery without regulation. This setup will drain the batteries until they are pretty much dead and buried. I ran them over the weekend and I figured it would stop draining around 10v at worst, it didn't. They ended up around 6v in parallel or 3v per battery. I figure I shaved off some capacity and lifetime of my test batteries with that, hopefully not too much. -- Christopher Tyler MTCRE/MTCNA/MTCTCE/MTCWE Total Highspeed Internet Services 417.851.1107 - Original Message - From: Josh Luthman j...@imaginenetworksllc.com To: af@afmug.com Sent: Wednesday, April 8, 2015 1:49:05 PM Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Low Voltage Disconnect First off I'd suggest getting enough batteries that you wouldn't need an LVD. Second, I'd rather see my batteries lose a bit of life and keep the site up then have everything go down saving my batteries. Tertiary/finally, what equipment do you have now? My regulator cuts off at 19v and still provides 24v. I figure the batteries are at 9.5v they're already sper low. Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373 On Wed, Apr 8, 2015 at 2:44 PM, Christopher Tyler ch...@totalhighspeed.net wrote: Looking for recommendations on a 24v LVD to protect our batteries from being drained. Anyone have one they recommend? -- Christopher Tyler MTCRE/MTCNA/MTCTCE/MTCWE Total Highspeed Internet Services 417.851.1107
Re: [AFMUG] Low Voltage Disconnect
+1 Screw LVD. Do you want to risk losing connectivity when the LVD trips only to have power restored 10 minutes later? If you power is that crappy that it will trip enough to significantly save your battery you do not have a large enough battery. If you are doing LVD to prevent the chance of a infrequent deep discharge, it is still a waste of money. Again, more battery is the answer. A deep discharge once a year is not going to markedly reduce battery life unless you draw them clear down and leave them discharged for an extended period of time. If you don’t want to put the money into a larger battery, put in telemetry that is monitored with a PRTG/MRTG type of tool that will send you and email when things are getting low. Then you can run out with a generator or perhaps manually turn stuff off via telemetry until power comes back on. I used to be a believer in LVD but not any more. Now, if there is any chance of keeping things running, I want to keep things running. From: Josh Luthman Sent: Wednesday, April 08, 2015 12:49 PM To: af@afmug.com Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Low Voltage Disconnect First off I'd suggest getting enough batteries that you wouldn't need an LVD. Second, I'd rather see my batteries lose a bit of life and keep the site up then have everything go down saving my batteries. Tertiary/finally, what equipment do you have now? My regulator cuts off at 19v and still provides 24v. I figure the batteries are at 9.5v they're already sper low. Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373 On Wed, Apr 8, 2015 at 2:44 PM, Christopher Tyler ch...@totalhighspeed.net wrote: Looking for recommendations on a 24v LVD to protect our batteries from being drained. Anyone have one they recommend? -- Christopher Tyler MTCRE/MTCNA/MTCTCE/MTCWE Total Highspeed Internet Services 417.851.1107
Re: [AFMUG] Smaller generators with inverters
Josh You can also go: http://www.harborfreight.com/engines-generators/gas-engine-generators/900-peak700-running-watts-2-hp-63cc-2-cycle-gas-generator-epacarb-60338.html Tim From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Josh Luthman Sent: Wednesday, April 08, 2015 8:40 PM To: af@afmug.com Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Smaller generators with inverters So for example this: http://www.autozone.com/power-tools/portable-generator/power-pro-1000-watt-generator-no-return-on-used-generator-/290845_0_0/ It has a 120v outlet but doesn't have an inverter. How is that possible? This is $320 and says inverter: http://www.autozone.com/power-tools/portable-generator/generac-portable-inverter-generator/568401_0_0/ The big ones I have definitely work on the big APCs (1500-2200va). I bought them in 2008? so I don't have the specs anymore. The site's I'd be most likely to use it would be going into a Meanwell rectifier. Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373 On Wed, Apr 8, 2015 at 8:33 PM, Glen Waldrop gwl...@cngwireless.net wrote: I'm not sure how picky your hardware is, but most inverters and generators don't put out a full sine wave. Battery backups tend to trip constantly, but my equipment seems to handle it fine. Full sine wave generators tend to cost a little bit more. - Original Message - From: Josh Luthman mailto:j...@imaginenetworksllc.com To: af@afmug.com Sent: Wednesday, April 08, 2015 7:21 PM Subject: [AFMUG] Smaller generators with inverters Can anyone share what kind of generators they're using? I'm looking for something that's smaller for one person to carry. I don't need anything big, maybe 250 watt load at the most. Looking online I see $600 minimum. I'd be using this at smaller sites that don't already have a big 24 hour generator already so portability would be the most important feature. Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373
Re: [AFMUG] problems with Youtube intermittent
We've gotten a few reports of Youtube problems today (and I've seen some
issues myself), so there's definitely something going on.
On Wed, Apr 8, 2015 at 4:09 PM, Bill Prince part15...@gmail.com wrote:
When I use that URL, I don't get any of the next_hop or loopback
information. It just lists my IP plus the = sjc07s17, then my IP in
parenthesis. Nothing else.
So, using your formula, I plugged in that cluster name into a traceroute,
and got 1.8 ms round trip time. I think that's good, or at least above
average.
bp
part15sbs{at}gmail{dot}com
On 4/8/2015 9:08 AM, Paul Stewart wrote:
Sorry – no idea on that one….
*From:* Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com af-boun...@afmug.com] *On
Behalf Of *Josh Luthman
*Sent:* Wednesday, April 8, 2015 11:51 AM
*To:* af@afmug.com
*Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] problems with Youtube intermittent
This part:
router: pr03.ord12 next_hop_address: 127.0.0.1 (74.218.208.0/20)
Josh Luthman
Office: 937-552-2340
Direct: 937-552-2343
1100 Wayne St
Suite 1337
Troy, OH 45373
On Wed, Apr 8, 2015 at 11:46 AM, Paul Stewart p...@paulstewart.org
wrote:
Ok … had to figure this out via Google… (pardon the pun)
R1 in this case is basically “server #1”
ORD30S17 is a location code for the cluster
C is for caching or content
Using R1 is safe as there is always a “server #1” per say …
There’s some other details around this but can’t share them unfortunately
… this should help though
-p
*From:* Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] *On Behalf Of *Josh Luthman
*Sent:* Wednesday, April 8, 2015 11:43 AM
*To:* af@afmug.com
*Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] problems with Youtube intermittent
And the rest of it?
Josh Luthman
Office: 937-552-2340
Direct: 937-552-2343
1100 Wayne St
Suite 1337
Troy, OH 45373
On Wed, Apr 8, 2015 at 11:41 AM, Paul Stewart p...@paulstewart.org
wrote:
Ok .. try this if you want to know where it is:
Traceroute r1.ord30s17.c.youtube.com
J
I can’t remember that “r1” is … believe it’s “region 1”
Paul
*From:* Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] *On Behalf Of *Ken Hohhof
*Sent:* Wednesday, April 8, 2015 10:35 AM
*To:* af@afmug.com
*Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] problems with Youtube intermittent
It seems to be saying your nearest content server is in Chicago
(ORD=OHare).
Here in the Chicago suburbs on ATT UVerse, I get
99.67.197.47 = ord30s17 : router: pr02.ord12 next_hop_address: 127.0.0.1
(99.67.128.0/17)
*From:* Josh Luthman j...@imaginenetworksllc.com
*Sent:* Wednesday, April 08, 2015 9:23 AM
*To:* af@afmug.com
*Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] problems with Youtube intermittent
It tells me:
74.218.208.210 = ord31s13 : router: pr03.ord12 next_hop_address:
127.0.0.1 (74.218.208.0/20)
I don't understand what it's saying?
Josh Luthman
Office: 937-552-2340
Direct: 937-552-2343
1100 Wayne St
Suite 1337
Troy, OH 45373
On Wed, Apr 8, 2015 at 10:22 AM, Glen Waldrop gwl...@cngwireless.net
wrote:
Not sure what it is suppose to show, but it looks like it is blaming the
problem on a subnet that isn't through my tracert or involved in my network
in any way.
- Original Message -
*From:* Paul Stewart p...@paulstewart.org
*To:* af@afmug.com
*Sent:* Wednesday, April 08, 2015 5:24 AM
*Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] problems with Youtube intermittent
Asking if Youtube is having problems is pretty vague without more
information.
Their content delivery is very ‘segmented’ per region and sometimes per
provider.
What does the output of http://redirector.c.youtube.com/report_mapping
show you?
Paul
*From:* Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] *On Behalf Of *Paul McCall
*Sent:* Tuesday, April 7, 2015 10:36 PM
*To:* af@afmug.com
*Cc:* All Users
*Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] problems with Youtube intermittent
Looks like its just certain parts of the country…
https://downdetector.com/status/youtube
*From:* Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com af-boun...@afmug.com] *On
Behalf Of *Josh Luthman
*Sent:* Tuesday, April 07, 2015 10:23 PM
*To:* af@afmug.com
*Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] problems with Youtube intermittent
No reports and a couple videos work for me.
Josh Luthman
Office: 937-552-2340
Direct: 937-552-2343
1100 Wayne St
Suite 1337
Troy, OH 45373
On Apr 7, 2015 10:22 PM, Paul McCall pa...@pdmnet.net wrote:
Anybody seeing Youtube having some challenges this evening?
Paul McCall, Pres.
PDMNet / Florida Broadband
658 Old Dixie Highway
Vero Beach, FL 32962
772-564-6800 office
772-473-0352 cell
www.pdmnet.com
pa...@pdmnet.net
Re: [AFMUG] Smaller generators with inverters
Not with inverters On Apr 8, 2015 5:21 PM, Josh Luthman j...@imaginenetworksllc.com wrote: Can anyone share what kind of generators they're using? I'm looking for something that's smaller for one person to carry. I don't need anything big, maybe 250 watt load at the most. Looking online I see $600 minimum. I'd be using this at smaller sites that don't already have a big 24 hour generator already so portability would be the most important feature. Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373
Re: [AFMUG] Low Voltage Disconnect
Depends on how long it went that low, the rate of discharge etc. I don’t think a lead acid based chemistry will develop enough sulfide (sulfite?) with one or two deep discharges like that to matter unless they are left in that condition. It takes deep discharge and time to allow those crystals to form. From: Josh Luthman Sent: Wednesday, April 08, 2015 6:41 PM To: af@afmug.com Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Low Voltage Disconnect If a 12v battery went down to 3v, is it toast? Or if it's only happened once can you simply charge it and expect it to operate normally? Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373 On Wed, Apr 8, 2015 at 8:32 PM, Chuck McCown ch...@wbmfg.com wrote: +1 Screw LVD. Do you want to risk losing connectivity when the LVD trips only to have power restored 10 minutes later? If you power is that crappy that it will trip enough to significantly save your battery you do not have a large enough battery. If you are doing LVD to prevent the chance of a infrequent deep discharge, it is still a waste of money. Again, more battery is the answer. A deep discharge once a year is not going to markedly reduce battery life unless you draw them clear down and leave them discharged for an extended period of time. If you don’t want to put the money into a larger battery, put in telemetry that is monitored with a PRTG/MRTG type of tool that will send you and email when things are getting low. Then you can run out with a generator or perhaps manually turn stuff off via telemetry until power comes back on. I used to be a believer in LVD but not any more. Now, if there is any chance of keeping things running, I want to keep things running. From: Josh Luthman Sent: Wednesday, April 08, 2015 12:49 PM To: af@afmug.com Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Low Voltage Disconnect First off I'd suggest getting enough batteries that you wouldn't need an LVD. Second, I'd rather see my batteries lose a bit of life and keep the site up then have everything go down saving my batteries. Tertiary/finally, what equipment do you have now? My regulator cuts off at 19v and still provides 24v. I figure the batteries are at 9.5v they're already sper low. Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373 On Wed, Apr 8, 2015 at 2:44 PM, Christopher Tyler ch...@totalhighspeed.net wrote: Looking for recommendations on a 24v LVD to protect our batteries from being drained. Anyone have one they recommend? -- Christopher Tyler MTCRE/MTCNA/MTCTCE/MTCWE Total Highspeed Internet Services 417.851.1107
Re: [AFMUG] Smaller generators with inverters
We have that Honda, duel fuel gas/propane, we run it on propane. Never
tripped anything like others we have used, even runs well hooked to 350
feet of extension cord. The only think I don't like is it's so little and
light our chain we padlock generators with almost tips it over. I think it
cost 750 and on a tall grill tank (40lb?) It will run 2 days if on eco mode
On Apr 8, 2015 7:43 PM, Bill Prince part15...@gmail.com wrote:
We've used three different ones; all around 800-1000 watts.
One we liked a lot was a Honeywell that looks a lot like a Honda, with
similar performance. We had to leave it at a remote POP after a storm; the
fire road up to it was impassable for about a month. Alas, it did not
recover, and they don't make it anymore anyway. It was about $450 IIRC.
Another one we got in a hurry is All-Power. It's 1000 watts, and only $135
(?!?!) We were in a bunch 'cause we needed it like yesterday, and took a
gamble on it. Only bummer is that it's a 2-stroke, and you have to mix oil
in the fuel. It's not as quiet as the Honeywell (or the Honda), but it's
been reliable and has worked in some pretty tough conditions.
http://www.homedepot.com/p/All-Power-1-000-Watt-2-Stroke-
Powered-Gas-and-Oil-Mix-Portable-Generator-APG3004A/
202757597?cm_mmc=Shopping%7cBasegclid=CMHq-K_
958QCFciIfgodm6gAGggclsrc=aw.ds
However, the king of the hill is the Honda. Quiet as a mouse and reliable.
It also runs over 8 hours on one fill of fuel, so is better than both of
the above. They're about $800. http://www.northerntool.com/
shop/tools/product_200585498_200585498
bp
part15sbs{at}gmail{dot}com
On 4/8/2015 5:21 PM, Josh Luthman wrote:
Can anyone share what kind of generators they're using? I'm looking for
something that's smaller for one person to carry. I don't need anything
big, maybe 250 watt load at the most. Looking online I see $600 minimum.
I'd be using this at smaller sites that don't already have a big 24 hour
generator already so portability would be the most important feature.
Josh Luthman
Office: 937-552-2340
Direct: 937-552-2343
1100 Wayne St
Suite 1337
Troy, OH 45373
Re: [AFMUG] Smaller generators with inverters
We've used three different ones; all around 800-1000 watts.
One we liked a lot was a Honeywell that looks a lot like a Honda, with
similar performance. We had to leave it at a remote POP after a storm;
the fire road up to it was impassable for about a month. Alas, it did
not recover, and they don't make it anymore anyway. It was about $450 IIRC.
Another one we got in a hurry is All-Power. It's 1000 watts, and only
$135 (?!?!) We were in a bunch 'cause we needed it like yesterday, and
took a gamble on it. Only bummer is that it's a 2-stroke, and you have
to mix oil in the fuel. It's not as quiet as the Honeywell (or the
Honda), but it's been reliable and has worked in some pretty tough
conditions.
http://www.homedepot.com/p/All-Power-1-000-Watt-2-Stroke-Powered-Gas-and-Oil-Mix-Portable-Generator-APG3004A/202757597?cm_mmc=Shopping%7cBasegclid=CMHq-K_958QCFciIfgodm6gAGggclsrc=aw.ds
However, the king of the hill is the Honda. Quiet as a mouse and
reliable. It also runs over 8 hours on one fill of fuel, so is better
than both of the above. They're about $800.
http://www.northerntool.com/shop/tools/product_200585498_200585498
bp
part15sbs{at}gmail{dot}com
On 4/8/2015 5:21 PM, Josh Luthman wrote:
Can anyone share what kind of generators they're using? I'm looking
for something that's smaller for one person to carry. I don't need
anything big, maybe 250 watt load at the most. Looking online I see
$600 minimum. I'd be using this at smaller sites that don't already
have a big 24 hour generator already so portability would be the most
important feature.
Josh Luthman
Office: 937-552-2340
Direct: 937-552-2343
1100 Wayne St
Suite 1337
Troy, OH 45373
Re: [AFMUG] iOS 8.3
hahthats a good one... - Original Message - From: Ken Hohhof To: af@afmug.com Sent: Wednesday, April 08, 2015 6:37 PM Subject: [AFMUG] iOS 8.3 We're supposed to have our first big storm of the year, so I assume all customers will be home watching Netflix and downloading the latest iOS upgrade. Of course I had one caller with Frontier DSL tell me that he assumed the Internet was always slow on Sunday night because all the kids were working feverishly to finish their homework.
Re: [AFMUG] PSA - honeypot address users look here!
an xbox server hit your honeypot? Why would that happen? On Wed, Apr 8, 2015 at 3:51 PM, Josh Luthman j...@imaginenetworksllc.com wrote: So I had more Xbox tickets in the last week than we've had for the last...forever... Looks like 65.55.42.183 (an auth server?) was blocked. It touched our honeypot address. Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373 -- If you only see yourself as part of the team but you don't see your team as part of yourself you have already failed as part of the team.
Re: [AFMUG] Concealment Panels
ABS is better than Fiberglass from my experience in creating radomes out of both. The spacing between the radiating elements of the antenna and the panel is critical. You might find a particular spacing that could even give gain in some circumstances. It needs to be adjusted for lowest loss. From: Peter Kranz Sent: Wednesday, April 08, 2015 4:32 PM To: af@afmug.com Subject: [AFMUG] Concealment Panels Anyone have much experience with molded concealment panels? On a particular structure, the tower owner added panels in front of our equipment to great detriment.. Looking for an alternative product that won’t crap on our parade. We performed testing today at 5.8 Ghz.. Here is a table of before and after signals for 5 customers we took measurements from Before / After / Delta HC -56.0 / -57.4 = 1.4 RO -63.7 / -65.2 = 1.5 WB -58.7 / -60.5 = 1.8 SF -59.9 / -61.8 = 1.9 GG -60.7 / -62.5 = 1.8 As you can see the average attenuation of the panel was measured to be -1.68dB (a 20% reduction in signal level).. This is similar to the vendor provided attenuation number of 1.31dB for straight on and -2.66dB for 45 degree 45 degree angle: -Peter
Re: [AFMUG] Heads up on IT Elite EPMP Antennas
Got weep holes in the bottom of the sector? - Original Message - From: Nate Burke n...@blastcomm.com To: af@afmug.com Sent: Wednesday, April 08, 2015 4:40 PM Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Heads up on IT Elite EPMP Antennas The picture on the website shows it on the back of the antenna, The one's that we have it is vertical out the bottom of the antenna. On 4/8/2015 4:38 PM, Glen Waldrop wrote: I noticed the ethernet connector angle wasn't optimum on my 2.4GHz sectors. I haven't put any up, hadn't yet decided how I was going to do it. The angle of the ethernet actually sets it up for water to drain into the port if you use any downtilt. - Original Message - From: Nate Burke n...@blastcomm.com To: Animal Farm af@afmug.com Sent: Wednesday, April 08, 2015 3:28 PM Subject: [AFMUG] Heads up on IT Elite EPMP Antennas We have used a couple of the IT Elite cPRO-SECTOR50018Dual sectors for EPMP build-outs. They are like this http://www.itelite.net/en/Katalog/Radio//PRO-SECTOR50018dual-HVBOX.html but with an EPMP Bracket on the inside, and Ethernet/GPS connections on the bottom of the antenna, and a magnet on top to stick the GPS Puck. We though they were pretty cool, since the radio is enclosed inside the antenna, you don't have to worry about Weatherproofing the coax connections. Today I was out at a site troubleshooting Ethernet issues on one of the sectors and found that the Ethernet bulkhead connector at the bottom of the antenna was all burned up. I checked the other sector that I had at the site and it was all burned as well, but still functioning. I'm not sure how the water got in there, my working theory is that somehow it filled up the inside of the bulkhead grommet, but I don't know if it came from inside the antenna, or somehow got around the grommet on the outside. When I pulled the bulkhead out, there was no sign of water on the outside of the bulkhead. The Bulkhead is at the highest point on the cable, so there is no way that water could have run inside the cable into the bulkhead. For the other ITElite sectors I have deployed, I'm probably going to preemptively go pull out the bulkhead, and run the cable directly into the radio. Nate
Re: [AFMUG] Low Voltage Disconnect
You can also use one of these: http://www.ebay.com/itm/390655816891 I am building my own battery back up using one of these for the setup. Tim From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Jaime Solorza Sent: Wednesday, April 08, 2015 8:43 PM To: Animal Farm Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Low Voltage Disconnect More battery. And I do like the Morning star idea. Jaime Solorza On Apr 8, 2015 6:32 PM, Chuck McCown ch...@wbmfg.com wrote: +1 Screw LVD. Do you want to risk losing connectivity when the LVD trips only to have power restored 10 minutes later? If you power is that crappy that it will trip enough to significantly save your battery you do not have a large enough battery. If you are doing LVD to prevent the chance of a infrequent deep discharge, it is still a waste of money. Again, more battery is the answer. A deep discharge once a year is not going to markedly reduce battery life unless you draw them clear down and leave them discharged for an extended period of time. If you don’t want to put the money into a larger battery, put in telemetry that is monitored with a PRTG/MRTG type of tool that will send you and email when things are getting low. Then you can run out with a generator or perhaps manually turn stuff off via telemetry until power comes back on. I used to be a believer in LVD but not any more. Now, if there is any chance of keeping things running, I want to keep things running. From: Josh Luthman mailto:j...@imaginenetworksllc.com Sent: Wednesday, April 08, 2015 12:49 PM To: af@afmug.com Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Low Voltage Disconnect First off I'd suggest getting enough batteries that you wouldn't need an LVD. Second, I'd rather see my batteries lose a bit of life and keep the site up then have everything go down saving my batteries. Tertiary/finally, what equipment do you have now? My regulator cuts off at 19v and still provides 24v. I figure the batteries are at 9.5v they're already sper low. Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373 On Wed, Apr 8, 2015 at 2:44 PM, Christopher Tyler ch...@totalhighspeed.net wrote: Looking for recommendations on a 24v LVD to protect our batteries from being drained. Anyone have one they recommend? -- Christopher Tyler MTCRE/MTCNA/MTCTCE/MTCWE Total Highspeed Internet Services 417.851.1107
Re: [AFMUG] Smaller generators with inverters
Honda1000 + external tank. With the external tank It'll run a typical tower for 2days and is the size of a boom box + 5gallon gas tank. -Sean On Wednesday, April 8, 2015, Josh Luthman j...@imaginenetworksllc.com wrote: Can anyone share what kind of generators they're using? I'm looking for something that's smaller for one person to carry. I don't need anything big, maybe 250 watt load at the most. Looking online I see $600 minimum. I'd be using this at smaller sites that don't already have a big 24 hour generator already so portability would be the most important feature. Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373
Re: [AFMUG] Low Voltage Disconnect
More battery. And I do like the Morning star idea. Jaime Solorza On Apr 8, 2015 6:32 PM, Chuck McCown ch...@wbmfg.com wrote: +1 Screw LVD. Do you want to risk losing connectivity when the LVD trips only to have power restored 10 minutes later? If you power is that crappy that it will trip enough to significantly save your battery you do not have a large enough battery. If you are doing LVD to prevent the chance of a infrequent deep discharge, it is still a waste of money. Again, more battery is the answer. A deep discharge once a year is not going to markedly reduce battery life unless you draw them clear down and leave them discharged for an extended period of time. If you don’t want to put the money into a larger battery, put in telemetry that is monitored with a PRTG/MRTG type of tool that will send you and email when things are getting low. Then you can run out with a generator or perhaps manually turn stuff off via telemetry until power comes back on. I used to be a believer in LVD but not any more. Now, if there is any chance of keeping things running, I want to keep things running. *From:* Josh Luthman j...@imaginenetworksllc.com *Sent:* Wednesday, April 08, 2015 12:49 PM *To:* af@afmug.com *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Low Voltage Disconnect First off I'd suggest getting enough batteries that you wouldn't need an LVD. Second, I'd rather see my batteries lose a bit of life and keep the site up then have everything go down saving my batteries. Tertiary/finally, what equipment do you have now? My regulator cuts off at 19v and still provides 24v. I figure the batteries are at 9.5v they're already sper low. Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373 On Wed, Apr 8, 2015 at 2:44 PM, Christopher Tyler ch...@totalhighspeed.net wrote: Looking for recommendations on a 24v LVD to protect our batteries from being drained. Anyone have one they recommend? -- Christopher Tyler MTCRE/MTCNA/MTCTCE/MTCWE Total Highspeed Internet Services 417.851.1107
Re: [AFMUG] hackers/hacking, meh
Yes that was another time for me.. We still have a sever but mainly used to park some MX domains and our internal use only. On 4/8/2015 12:32 PM, Ken Hohhof wrote: My favorite is the people who say their email account has been hacked because they are receiving emails with Chinese characters. *From:* Paul Stewart mailto:p...@paulstewart.org *Sent:* Wednesday, April 08, 2015 12:04 PM *To:* af@afmug.com mailto:af@afmug.com *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] hackers/hacking, meh ROFL … *From:*Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] *On Behalf Of *David *Sent:* Wednesday, April 8, 2015 12:46 PM *To:* af@afmug.com *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] hackers/hacking, meh Same with credit cards.. I had a guy said someone hacked in a and got is credit card info.. PFFT Please. #1. your in arkansas No one within a 200mile radius even knows how to hack a BASIC secured wifi connection much less be able to decipher the encryption used between payment gateway and the credit card machine. #2. you were probably surfing porn and got a nasty Trojan with std on it which exploited your card when you wanted to see more of the peep show. LOL On 04/08/2015 11:33 AM, Glen Waldrop wrote: I get calls on this all the time. 99.999% of the time it is spyware. I've worked on about four legitimate hacks since 93. - Original Message - *From:*That One Guy /sarcasm mailto:thatoneguyst...@gmail.com *To:*af@afmug.com mailto:af@afmug.com *Sent:*Wednesday, April 08, 2015 11:10 AM *Subject:*[AFMUG] hackers/hacking, meh http://www.bostonglobe.com/business/2015/04/06/tewksbury-police-pay-bitcoin-ransom-hackers/PkcE1GBTOfU52p31F9FM5L/story.html This type of fluff article irritates me. That abuse of the term hacking/hacker is comparable to the abuse of the term engineer. my facebook got hacked!! no it didnt, you left your device signed in or you followed a phishing link, you werent hacked, your ignorance was exploited with zero knowledge that you even exist a hacker encrypted my data no, in all likelyhood, a script kiddie out there altered code from an existing ransomeware package to become the beneficiary of your ignorance in opening suspect attachments and profited by your inability to follow the simple instruction:back that shit up. no hackers involved In terms of technical prowess, and both the criminal and white hat environment, hack and hacker used to garner some respect, now the terms are so misused they have no value. This is just going to leave me very irritated the rest of the day -- If you only see yourself as part of the team but you don't see your team as part of yourself you have already failed as part of the team. --
[AFMUG] Smaller generators with inverters
Can anyone share what kind of generators they're using? I'm looking for something that's smaller for one person to carry. I don't need anything big, maybe 250 watt load at the most. Looking online I see $600 minimum. I'd be using this at smaller sites that don't already have a big 24 hour generator already so portability would be the most important feature. Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373
Re: [AFMUG] Low Voltage Disconnect
I should mention that this particular site is using a MidNite Solar The
Kid solar controller. I got this controller because it had some neat
features I hadn't seen anywhere else.
For one thing, it is 100% programmable. You can program the bulk
voltage, the float voltage, the LVD voltage, everything. Plus, it will
handle batteries as small as 12V all the way up to 48V, and everything
in between. If you should decide that you want to have a 36V battery
array, this can do it. It will also handle up to about 30 amps,
regardless of voltage. This one has been in operation for about 6
months, and so far I am happy with it. Our other sites are using some
Morningstar controllers, and this one is much more consistent.
bp
part15sbs{at}gmail{dot}com
On 4/8/2015 1:14 PM, Bill Prince wrote:
Our 24V solar sites go up to about 28.5 volts when they are in bulk
charge mode, then drop to about 27.5 volts when in float. A typical
partly cloudty day is shown below for one of our solar sites. The
big dip in the afternoon was some big clouds rolling through.
So we feel obliged to protect UBNT equipment with a 36/72 V - 24 V
converter, because I think going up to 28.5V might just let the smoke out.
bp
part15sbs{at}gmail{dot}com
On 4/8/2015 12:28 PM, Josh Luthman wrote:
Correct:
continuous 16.8 ~ 31.2VDC
1 second 14.4 ~ 33.6VDC
If you already dropped them to 3v I think they'd be toast.
If you didn't have your charger you're not really testing the
compatibility with Ubnt. I believe the cut off is something like
27.5v for the Airmax stuff and your charge is around 27.3 (depending
on battery). To me, that was too close for comfort and hence I use
the regulator.
I don't know why you would expect them to stop at 10v. At 20v both
Canopy and Ubnt would happily run. The radios would continue to pull
power from the batteries forever.
Josh Luthman
Office: 937-552-2340
Direct: 937-552-2343
1100 Wayne St
Suite 1337
Troy, OH 45373
On Wed, Apr 8, 2015 at 3:23 PM, Christopher Tyler
ch...@totalhighspeed.net mailto:ch...@totalhighspeed.net wrote:
We are currently testing using two 12v 100Ah telecom batteries in
series.
They are slightly expensive to replace, especially when we will
have four (or more) at some sites, most will have two.
I'm using a Meanwell RSD-100B-24 regulator for the Tik RB-493G
router right now. Looks like the cutout for the regulator is
around 16v from what I can decipher from the datasheet.
My test radios (2 Canopy and 2 UBNT) are connected to the battery
without regulation.
This setup will drain the batteries until they are pretty much
dead and buried. I ran them over the weekend and I figured it
would stop draining around 10v at worst, it didn't. They ended up
around 6v in parallel or 3v per battery. I figure I shaved off
some capacity and lifetime of my test batteries with that,
hopefully not too much.
--
Christopher Tyler
MTCRE/MTCNA/MTCTCE/MTCWE
Total Highspeed Internet Services
417.851.1107 tel:417.851.1107
- Original Message -
From: Josh Luthman j...@imaginenetworksllc.com
mailto:j...@imaginenetworksllc.com
To: af@afmug.com mailto:af@afmug.com
Sent: Wednesday, April 8, 2015 1:49:05 PM
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Low Voltage Disconnect
First off I'd suggest getting enough batteries that you wouldn't
need an
LVD.
Second, I'd rather see my batteries lose a bit of life and keep
the site up
then have everything go down saving my batteries.
Tertiary/finally, what equipment do you have now? My regulator
cuts off at
19v and still provides 24v. I figure the batteries are at 9.5v
they're
already sper low.
Josh Luthman
Office: 937-552-2340
Direct: 937-552-2343
1100 Wayne St
Suite 1337
Troy, OH 45373
On Wed, Apr 8, 2015 at 2:44 PM, Christopher Tyler
ch...@totalhighspeed.net mailto:ch...@totalhighspeed.net
wrote:
Looking for recommendations on a 24v LVD to protect our
batteries from
being drained.
Anyone have one they recommend?
--
Christopher Tyler
MTCRE/MTCNA/MTCTCE/MTCWE
Total Highspeed Internet Services
417.851.1107 tel:417.851.1107
[AFMUG] Concealment Panels
Anyone have much experience with molded concealment panels? On a particular structure, the tower owner added panels in front of our equipment to great detriment.. Looking for an alternative product that won’t crap on our parade. We performed testing today at 5.8 Ghz.. Here is a table of before and after signals for 5 customers we took measurements from Before / After / Delta HC -56.0 / -57.4 = 1.4 RO -63.7 / -65.2 = 1.5 WB -58.7 / -60.5 = 1.8 SF -59.9 / -61.8 = 1.9 GG -60.7 / -62.5 = 1.8 As you can see the average attenuation of the panel was measured to be -1.68dB (a 20% reduction in signal level).. This is similar to the vendor provided attenuation number of 1.31dB for straight on and -2.66dB for 45 degree 45 degree angle: -Peter
Re: [AFMUG] Quick antenna question
Every db counts... - Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions http://www.ics-il.com - Original Message - From: Josh Luthman j...@imaginenetworksllc.com To: af@afmug.com Sent: Tuesday, April 7, 2015 1:20:03 PM Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Quick antenna question 6db??? Omg!!! Use the 400! Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373 On Apr 7, 2015 2:18 PM, Mathew Howard mhoward...@gmail.com wrote: It looks like there'd be about 6db of loss on 20' of LMR195 vs. 2.2db on LMR400... that's actually not as bad as I thought. Personally, I'd go with at least LMR240 for that long of a run. On Tue, Apr 7, 2015 at 1:06 PM, Josh Luthman j...@imaginenetworksllc.com wrote: blockquote For the AN50s I always did LMR400 because that's what was there. It was never more than 3 meters (9 feet). For every other radio it's generally what's included. The biggest I can think of is the brand we can't say here - might be heavy duty LMR195, though. Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373 On Tue, Apr 7, 2015 at 2:01 PM, Glen Waldrop gwl...@cngwireless.net wrote: blockquote I might do that. Is that what you use for less than 20ft? LMR400 has less loss, but I think at that length all the loss is going to be the connectors anyway. 400 is a bit stiff. blockquote - Original Message - From: Josh Luthman To: af@afmug.com Sent: Tuesday, April 07, 2015 12:58 PM Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Quick antenna question For 20 feet you could just use 195, I don't think you get any much difference at 5 GHz. Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373 On Tue, Apr 7, 2015 at 1:56 PM, Glen Waldrop gwl...@cngwireless.net wrote: blockquote We seal ours as well. I recrimped most of the premade cables I purchased after I got a batch where the ends just came off. Assemble the equipment on the ground for testing, go to line the antenna up for a test shot, notice no signal, the coax is laying on the ground. I didn't take the end off, just hit it again with the crimpers from each direction. That has made me a bit gun shy about LMR400, especially after it happened on a tower. blockquote - Original Message - From: Josh Luthman To: af@afmug.com Sent: Tuesday, April 07, 2015 12:49 PM Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Quick antenna question Nearly all of my coax is preterminated. It's all a) Streakwave or b) included with the antenna. I can't recall if we've ever had a problem with any of it, but we always use coax seal. Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373 On Tue, Apr 7, 2015 at 1:34 PM, Glen Waldrop gwl...@cngwireless.net wrote: blockquote 15dBi omni and ~15 to 20ft LMR400. Lightning blew the door off the power box on the ground, fried the mini PCI cards, but the RB600 still worked, just no data across the ethernet port. The unit was hit in 09, was replaced and the antenna and coax have been in service the whole time. I never replaced it as I thought the hinky rx signal was just misreported, a 24Mbps link @ -88 shouldn't happen. Rx signal quality has finally gone down to match the actual numbers now, so I think something in the antenna was damaged. The problem I have here is quality cables. I've gone through around 50 that were replaced by Streakwave. They had a bad batch. Made me quite shy to replace what appears to be a good cable with one that might just quit like some others have. I made this one in late 08. blockquote - Original Message - From: Jaime Solorza To: Animal Farm Sent: Tuesday, April 07, 2015 12:12 PM Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Quick antenna question more info ...what kind of antenna? how much RF cable and what kind is it? what do connectors look like ? Jaime Solorza Wireless Systems Architect 915-861-1390 On Tue, Apr 7, 2015 at 11:09 AM, Glen Waldrop gwl...@cngwireless.net wrote: blockquote I had a tower hit by lightning. The antenna appeared to survive, so I replaced electronics and let it go. The system reports low rx signal, 20dB worse than expected, but got the speeds I expected, so originally I thought the signal was just being misreported by the new equipment. It has degraded now, so we're working on it this afternoon. I'm replacing the antenna, but what are the odds that the coax is damaged as well? I've got spare, probably going to send it up with the climber anyway. /blockquote /blockquote /blockquote /blockquote /blockquote /blockquote /blockquote /blockquote
Re: [AFMUG] [WISPA Members] Chicago weather Thursday
The worst of it is Thursday and then an easy year? Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373 On Apr 9, 2015 12:16 AM, George Skorup (Cyber Broadcasting) geo...@cbcast.com wrote: Late tonight, tomorrow and tomorrow evening looks awesome. Hail in excess of an inch, winds 60MPH and tornadoes possible. Just had a pretty heavy band come though and knock a 4.5 mile 11GHz link down 20dB, but when you have a -40 RSSI, it's no so bad. :) Then there's AF24's, link wiped out for 10 minutes. Rain is good, except for knocking links out, but hail, lightning and tornadoes is *not* cool, WTF God. I already feel this is going to be a bad summer. ___ Members mailing list memb...@wispa.org http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/members
Re: [AFMUG] That's a lot of towers
It does show how little value those towers have, though. 1M towers and their total value was something around $23B? American Tower has 87k towers and has a market cap of $40B. Crown Castle has 40k towers and a market cap of $28B. - Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions http://www.ics-il.com - Original Message - From: Jerry Richardson je...@richardson.bz To: af@afmug.com Sent: Wednesday, April 8, 2015 2:50:27 PM Subject: Re: [AFMUG] That's a lot of towers Shows how lack of infrastructure can drive wireless. Also shows our relative importance to the rest of the world Jerry On Apr 8, 2015, at 11:24 AM, Randy Cosby dco...@infowest.com wrote: I can't even get my head around the scale of things in places like China and India. On 4/8/2015 11:59 AM, Mike Hammett wrote: blockquote http://www.telecomramblings.com/2015/04/china-tower-could-take-control-of-1m-towers/ - Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions http://www.ics-il.com /blockquote
Re: [AFMUG] Smaller generators with inverters
The difference between an inverter and a non inverter generator is that the non inverter models typically use an ac generator which directly produces ac power. This requires the motor to be running at the correct rpm to get the proper ac frequency. In addition, they tend to be susceptible to sags and surges because the motor itself has to be throttled up or down based on load. The inverter units usually use a dc generator tied to an ac inverter. This solves the problems described above but then you're at the mercy of the quality of the inverter, which can vary greatly. On Apr 8, 2015 6:40 PM, Josh Luthman j...@imaginenetworksllc.com wrote: So for example this: http://www.autozone.com/power-tools/portable-generator/power-pro-1000-watt-generator-no-return-on-used-generator-/290845_0_0/ It has a 120v outlet but doesn't have an inverter. How is that possible? This is $320 and says inverter: http://www.autozone.com/power-tools/portable-generator/generac-portable-inverter-generator/568401_0_0/ The big ones I have definitely work on the big APCs (1500-2200va). I bought them in 2008? so I don't have the specs anymore. The site's I'd be most likely to use it would be going into a Meanwell rectifier. Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373 On Wed, Apr 8, 2015 at 8:33 PM, Glen Waldrop gwl...@cngwireless.net wrote: I'm not sure how picky your hardware is, but most inverters and generators don't put out a full sine wave. Battery backups tend to trip constantly, but my equipment seems to handle it fine. Full sine wave generators tend to cost a little bit more. - Original Message - *From:* Josh Luthman j...@imaginenetworksllc.com *To:* af@afmug.com *Sent:* Wednesday, April 08, 2015 7:21 PM *Subject:* [AFMUG] Smaller generators with inverters Can anyone share what kind of generators they're using? I'm looking for something that's smaller for one person to carry. I don't need anything big, maybe 250 watt load at the most. Looking online I see $600 minimum. I'd be using this at smaller sites that don't already have a big 24 hour generator already so portability would be the most important feature. Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373
Re: [AFMUG] Smaller generators with inverters
I want to say the Honda's and Yamaha's use a pure since wave inverter. Our Yamaha is definitely stable, ~120-122 volts solid. Even UPS's set to high sensitivity don't complain. It is worth the extra couple hundred $ for a good inverter generator. On 4/8/2015 9:13 PM, Forrest Christian (List Account) wrote: The difference between an inverter and a non inverter generator is that the non inverter models typically use an ac generator which directly produces ac power. This requires the motor to be running at the correct rpm to get the proper ac frequency. In addition, they tend to be susceptible to sags and surges because the motor itself has to be throttled up or down based on load. The inverter units usually use a dc generator tied to an ac inverter. This solves the problems described above but then you're at the mercy of the quality of the inverter, which can vary greatly. On Apr 8, 2015 6:40 PM, Josh Luthman j...@imaginenetworksllc.com mailto:j...@imaginenetworksllc.com wrote: So for example this: http://www.autozone.com/power-tools/portable-generator/power-pro-1000-watt-generator-no-return-on-used-generator-/290845_0_0/ It has a 120v outlet but doesn't have an inverter. How is that possible? This is $320 and says inverter: http://www.autozone.com/power-tools/portable-generator/generac-portable-inverter-generator/568401_0_0/ The big ones I have definitely work on the big APCs (1500-2200va). I bought them in 2008? so I don't have the specs anymore. The site's I'd be most likely to use it would be going into a Meanwell rectifier. Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340 tel:937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343 tel:937-552-2343 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373 On Wed, Apr 8, 2015 at 8:33 PM, Glen Waldrop gwl...@cngwireless.net mailto:gwl...@cngwireless.net wrote: I'm not sure how picky your hardware is, but most inverters and generators don't put out a full sine wave. Battery backups tend to trip constantly, but my equipment seems to handle it fine. Full sine wave generators tend to cost a little bit more. - Original Message - *From:* Josh Luthman mailto:j...@imaginenetworksllc.com *To:* af@afmug.com mailto:af@afmug.com *Sent:* Wednesday, April 08, 2015 7:21 PM *Subject:* [AFMUG] Smaller generators with inverters Can anyone share what kind of generators they're using? I'm looking for something that's smaller for one person to carry. I don't need anything big, maybe 250 watt load at the most. Looking online I see $600 minimum. I'd be using this at smaller sites that don't already have a big 24 hour generator already so portability would be the most important feature. Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340 tel:937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343 tel:937-552-2343 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373
Re: [AFMUG] Quick antenna question
I don't know if you guys saw the update, but I swapped the coax and antenna. Still didn't gain the 15-20dB I'm missing on rx, but I did gain about 6dB. Odd thing is I went with a longer cable and got better signal. I used a 20ft that I made years ago, got a 6dB better signal than a 10ft purchased cable. Really odd thing is I've used two different radios, two different coax and two different antennas, they all have the rx signal lower than it should be. - Original Message - From: Jaime Solorza To: Animal Farm Sent: Wednesday, April 08, 2015 9:30 PM Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Quick antenna question Yep...protect your fade margin Jaime Solorza On Apr 8, 2015 7:56 PM, Mike Hammett af...@ics-il.net wrote: Every db counts... - Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions http://www.ics-il.com From: Josh Luthman j...@imaginenetworksllc.com To: af@afmug.com Sent: Tuesday, April 7, 2015 1:20:03 PM Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Quick antenna question 6db??? Omg!!! Use the 400! Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373 On Apr 7, 2015 2:18 PM, Mathew Howard mhoward...@gmail.com wrote: It looks like there'd be about 6db of loss on 20' of LMR195 vs. 2.2db on LMR400... that's actually not as bad as I thought. Personally, I'd go with at least LMR240 for that long of a run. On Tue, Apr 7, 2015 at 1:06 PM, Josh Luthman j...@imaginenetworksllc.com wrote: For the AN50s I always did LMR400 because that's what was there. It was never more than 3 meters (9 feet). For every other radio it's generally what's included. The biggest I can think of is the brand we can't say here - might be heavy duty LMR195, though. Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373 On Tue, Apr 7, 2015 at 2:01 PM, Glen Waldrop gwl...@cngwireless.net wrote: I might do that. Is that what you use for less than 20ft? LMR400 has less loss, but I think at that length all the loss is going to be the connectors anyway. 400 is a bit stiff. - Original Message - From: Josh Luthman To: af@afmug.com Sent: Tuesday, April 07, 2015 12:58 PM Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Quick antenna question For 20 feet you could just use 195, I don't think you get any much difference at 5 GHz. Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373 On Tue, Apr 7, 2015 at 1:56 PM, Glen Waldrop gwl...@cngwireless.net wrote: We seal ours as well. I recrimped most of the premade cables I purchased after I got a batch where the ends just came off. Assemble the equipment on the ground for testing, go to line the antenna up for a test shot, notice no signal, the coax is laying on the ground. I didn't take the end off, just hit it again with the crimpers from each direction. That has made me a bit gun shy about LMR400, especially after it happened on a tower. - Original Message - From: Josh Luthman To: af@afmug.com Sent: Tuesday, April 07, 2015 12:49 PM Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Quick antenna question Nearly all of my coax is preterminated. It's all a) Streakwave or b) included with the antenna. I can't recall if we've ever had a problem with any of it, but we always use coax seal. Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373 On Tue, Apr 7, 2015 at 1:34 PM, Glen Waldrop gwl...@cngwireless.net wrote: 15dBi omni and ~15 to 20ft LMR400. Lightning blew the door off the power box on the ground, fried the mini PCI cards, but the RB600 still worked, just no data across the ethernet port. The unit was hit in 09, was replaced and the antenna and coax have been in service the whole time. I never replaced it as I thought the hinky rx signal was just misreported, a 24Mbps link @ -88 shouldn't happen. Rx signal quality has finally gone down to match the actual numbers now, so I think something in the antenna was damaged. The problem I have here is quality cables. I've gone through around 50 that were replaced by Streakwave. They had a bad batch. Made me quite shy to replace what appears to be a good cable with one that might just quit like some
Re: [AFMUG] problems with Youtube intermittent
Yup .. 1.8 ms is extremely close, which is usually good news.
Youtube runs some pretty complex calculations to determine where to send you
traffic from – only some of which I’m sure folks have figured out and/or it’s
been made public.
When folks say “Youtube isn’t working”, there is no simple answer unless of
course you have access to their systems to better understand. It could be
connectivity issues between you and the origin server, mapping issues at
Youtube (sending you to the wrong place), a specific server in a cluster acting
up, among other things.
I will say that in my experience with their caching servers, they work very
well overall. Nothing is perfect but I’ll take 99% of the time any day :)
On Wed, Apr 8, 2015 at 4:09 PM, Bill Prince part15...@gmail.com
mailto:part15...@gmail.com wrote:
When I use that URL, I don't get any of the next_hop or loopback information.
It just lists my IP plus the = sjc07s17, then my IP in parenthesis. Nothing
else.
So, using your formula, I plugged in that cluster name into a traceroute, and
got 1.8 ms round trip time. I think that's good, or at least above average.
bp
part15sbs{at}gmail{dot}com
On 4/8/2015 9:08 AM, Paul Stewart wrote:
Sorry – no idea on that one….
From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Josh Luthman
Sent: Wednesday, April 8, 2015 11:51 AM
To: af@afmug.com mailto:af@afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] problems with Youtube intermittent
This part:
router: pr03.ord12 next_hop_address: 127.0.0.1 ( http://74.218.208.0/20
74.218.208.0/20)
Josh Luthman
Office: 937-552-2340 tel:937-552-2340
Direct: 937-552-2343 tel:937-552-2343
1100 Wayne St
Suite 1337
Troy, OH 45373
On Wed, Apr 8, 2015 at 11:46 AM, Paul Stewart p...@paulstewart.org
mailto:p...@paulstewart.org wrote:
Ok … had to figure this out via Google… (pardon the pun)
R1 in this case is basically “server #1”
ORD30S17 is a location code for the cluster
C is for caching or content
Using R1 is safe as there is always a “server #1” per say …
There’s some other details around this but can’t share them unfortunately …
this should help though
-p
From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com ] On Behalf
Of Josh Luthman
Sent: Wednesday, April 8, 2015 11:43 AM
To: af@afmug.com mailto:af@afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] problems with Youtube intermittent
And the rest of it?
Josh Luthman
Office: 937-552-2340 tel:937-552-2340
Direct: 937-552-2343 tel:937-552-2343
1100 Wayne St
Suite 1337
Troy, OH 45373
On Wed, Apr 8, 2015 at 11:41 AM, Paul Stewart p...@paulstewart.org
mailto:p...@paulstewart.org wrote:
Ok .. try this if you want to know where it is:
Traceroute r1.ord30s17.c.youtube.com http://r1.ord30s17.c.youtube.com
:)
I can’t remember that “r1” is … believe it’s “region 1”
Paul
From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com ] On Behalf
Of Ken Hohhof
Sent: Wednesday, April 8, 2015 10:35 AM
To: af@afmug.com mailto:af@afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] problems with Youtube intermittent
It seems to be saying your nearest content server is in Chicago (ORD=OHare).
Here in the Chicago suburbs on ATT UVerse, I get
99.67.197.47 = ord30s17 : router: pr02.ord12 next_hop_address: 127.0.0.1
(99.67.128.0/17 http://99.67.128.0/17 )
From: Josh Luthman mailto:j...@imaginenetworksllc.com
Sent: Wednesday, April 08, 2015 9:23 AM
To: af@afmug.com mailto:af@afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] problems with Youtube intermittent
It tells me:
74.218.208.210 = ord31s13 : router: pr03.ord12 next_hop_address: 127.0.0.1
(74.218.208.0/20 http://74.218.208.0/20 )
I don't understand what it's saying?
Josh Luthman
Office: 937-552-2340 tel:937-552-2340
Direct: 937-552-2343 tel:937-552-2343
1100 Wayne St
Suite 1337
Troy, OH 45373
On Wed, Apr 8, 2015 at 10:22 AM, Glen Waldrop gwl...@cngwireless.net
mailto:gwl...@cngwireless.net wrote:
Not sure what it is suppose to show, but it looks like it is blaming the
problem on a subnet that isn't through my tracert or involved in my network in
any way.
- Original Message -
From: Paul Stewart mailto:p...@paulstewart.org
To: af@afmug.com mailto:af@afmug.com
Sent: Wednesday, April 08, 2015 5:24 AM
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] problems with Youtube intermittent
Asking if Youtube is having problems is pretty vague without more information.
Their content delivery is very ‘segmented’ per region and sometimes per
provider.
What does the output of http://redirector.c.youtube.com/report_mapping show you?
Paul
From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com ] On Behalf
Of Paul McCall
Sent: Tuesday, April 7, 2015 10:36 PM
To: af@afmug.com mailto:af@afmug.com
Cc: All Users
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] problems with Youtube intermittent
Looks like its just certain parts of the country…
Re: [AFMUG] That's a lot of towers
market cap and business assets are two totally different beats and numbers market cap is how much the combined value of their stock equals. business assets is how much all the stuff the company owns equals. On Wed, Apr 8, 2015 at 3:27 PM, Mike Hammett af...@ics-il.net wrote: It does show how little value those towers have, though. 1M towers and their total value was something around $23B? American Tower has 87k towers and has a market cap of $40B. Crown Castle has 40k towers and a market cap of $28B. - Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions http://www.ics-il.com https://www.facebook.com/ICSIL https://plus.google.com/+IntelligentComputingSolutionsDeKalb https://www.linkedin.com/company/intelligent-computing-solutions https://twitter.com/ICSIL -- *From: *Jerry Richardson je...@richardson.bz *To: *af@afmug.com *Sent: *Wednesday, April 8, 2015 2:50:27 PM *Subject: *Re: [AFMUG] That's a lot of towers Shows how lack of infrastructure can drive wireless. Also shows our relative importance to the rest of the world Jerry On Apr 8, 2015, at 11:24 AM, Randy Cosby dco...@infowest.com wrote: I can't even get my head around the scale of things in places like China and India. On 4/8/2015 11:59 AM, Mike Hammett wrote: http://www.telecomramblings.com/2015/04/china-tower-could-take-control-of-1m-towers/ - Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions http://www.ics-il.com https://www.facebook.com/ICSIL https://plus.google.com/+IntelligentComputingSolutionsDeKalb https://www.linkedin.com/company/intelligent-computing-solutions https://twitter.com/ICSIL
Re: [AFMUG] iOS 8.3
Ah yes... I'm sure all that traffic on Sunday nights is homework... On Wed, Apr 8, 2015 at 6:46 PM, Glen Waldrop gwl...@cngwireless.net wrote: That has to be it. - Original Message - From: Ken Hohhof af...@kwisp.com To: af@afmug.com Sent: Wednesday, April 08, 2015 6:37 PM Subject: [AFMUG] iOS 8.3 We're supposed to have our first big storm of the year, so I assume all customers will be home watching Netflix and downloading the latest iOS upgrade. Of course I had one caller with Frontier DSL tell me that he assumed the Internet was always slow on Sunday night because all the kids were working feverishly to finish their homework.
[AFMUG] iOS 8.3
We're supposed to have our first big storm of the year, so I assume all customers will be home watching Netflix and downloading the latest iOS upgrade. Of course I had one caller with Frontier DSL tell me that he assumed the Internet was always slow on Sunday night because all the kids were working feverishly to finish their homework.
[AFMUG] Tales from the Towers - Chapter 54 poster
http://www.muniwireless.com/2015/04/06/point-to-points-to-ponder/ Rory Conaway * Triad Wireless * CEO 4226 S. 37th Street * Phoenix * AZ 85040 602-426-0542 r...@triadwireless.netmailto:r...@triadwireless.net www.triadwireless.nethttp://www.triadwireless.net/ It is better to walk alone, than with a crowd going the wrong direction.
Re: [AFMUG] EPMP updates
nope - Original Message - From: Josh Luthman j...@imaginenetworksllc.com To: af@afmug.com Sent: Wednesday, April 8, 2015 6:15:53 PM Subject: Re: [AFMUG] EPMP updates CMS server? Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373 On Apr 8, 2015 7:07 PM, Craig House cr...@totalhighspeed.net wrote: Does the Epmp radios do an automatic update from Cambium as updates are released? I have 4 of them on a tower with one customer connected that we just put up. All of the radios updated and rebooted at around 1:30 today If they do update on their own can they be set to do it at a later time of night? I cant find any way to disable the automatic update feature on them. Craig
Re: [AFMUG] EPMP updates
Craig, ePMP does not have an auto update feature so it cannot pull updates on its own. A real person is doing this. Are you sure no one else has access to your radios? Do you have CNUT connected to these radios? Sriram On 4/8/15, 6:07 PM, Craig House cr...@totalhighspeed.net wrote: Does the Epmp radios do an automatic update from Cambium as updates are released? I have 4 of them on a tower with one customer connected that we just put up. All of the radios updated and rebooted at around 1:30 today If they do update on their own can they be set to do it at a later time of night? I cant find any way to disable the automatic update feature on them. Craig
Re: [AFMUG] problems with Youtube intermittent
When I use that URL, I don't get any of the next_hop or loopback
information. It just lists my IP plus the = sjc07s17, then my IP in
parenthesis. Nothing else.
So, using your formula, I plugged in that cluster name into a
traceroute, and got 1.8 ms round trip time. I think that's good, or at
least above average.
bp
part15sbs{at}gmail{dot}com
On 4/8/2015 9:08 AM, Paul Stewart wrote:
Sorry – no idea on that one….
*From:*Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] *On Behalf Of *Josh Luthman
*Sent:* Wednesday, April 8, 2015 11:51 AM
*To:* af@afmug.com
*Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] problems with Youtube intermittent
This part:
router: pr03.ord12 next_hop_address: 127.0.0.1 (74.218.208.0/20
http://74.218.208.0/20)
Josh Luthman
Office: 937-552-2340
Direct: 937-552-2343
1100 Wayne St
Suite 1337
Troy, OH 45373
On Wed, Apr 8, 2015 at 11:46 AM, Paul Stewart p...@paulstewart.org
mailto:p...@paulstewart.org wrote:
Ok … had to figure this out via Google… (pardon the pun)
R1 in this case is basically “server #1”
ORD30S17 is a location code for the cluster
C is for caching or content
Using R1 is safe as there is always a “server #1” per say …
There’s some other details around this but can’t share them
unfortunately … this should help though
-p
*From:*Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com
mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] *On Behalf Of *Josh Luthman
*Sent:* Wednesday, April 8, 2015 11:43 AM
*To:* af@afmug.com mailto:af@afmug.com
*Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] problems with Youtube intermittent
And the rest of it?
Josh Luthman
Office: 937-552-2340 tel:937-552-2340
Direct: 937-552-2343 tel:937-552-2343
1100 Wayne St
Suite 1337
Troy, OH 45373
On Wed, Apr 8, 2015 at 11:41 AM, Paul Stewart
p...@paulstewart.org mailto:p...@paulstewart.org wrote:
Ok .. try this if you want to know where it is:
Traceroute r1.ord30s17.c.youtube.com
http://r1.ord30s17.c.youtube.com
J
I can’t remember that “r1” is … believe it’s “region 1”
Paul
*From:*Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com
mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] *On Behalf Of *Ken Hohhof
*Sent:* Wednesday, April 8, 2015 10:35 AM
*To:* af@afmug.com mailto:af@afmug.com
*Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] problems with Youtube intermittent
It seems to be saying your nearest content server is in
Chicago (ORD=OHare).
Here in the Chicago suburbs on ATT UVerse, I get
99.67.197.47 = ord30s17 : router: pr02.ord12 next_hop_address: 127.0.0.1
(99.67.128.0/17 http://99.67.128.0/17)
*From:*Josh Luthman mailto:j...@imaginenetworksllc.com
*Sent:*Wednesday, April 08, 2015 9:23 AM
*To:*af@afmug.com mailto:af@afmug.com
*Subject:*Re: [AFMUG] problems with Youtube intermittent
It tells me:
74.218.208.210 = ord31s13 : router: pr03.ord12
next_hop_address: 127.0.0.1 (74.218.208.0/20
http://74.218.208.0/20)
I don't understand what it's saying?
Josh Luthman
Office: 937-552-2340 tel:937-552-2340
Direct: 937-552-2343 tel:937-552-2343
1100 Wayne St
Suite 1337
Troy, OH 45373
On Wed, Apr 8, 2015 at 10:22 AM, Glen Waldrop
gwl...@cngwireless.net mailto:gwl...@cngwireless.net wrote:
Not sure what it is suppose to show, but it looks like it
is blaming the problem on a subnet that isn't through my
tracert or involved in my network in any way.
- Original Message -
*From:*Paul Stewart mailto:p...@paulstewart.org
*To:*af@afmug.com mailto:af@afmug.com
*Sent:*Wednesday, April 08, 2015 5:24 AM
*Subject:*Re: [AFMUG] problems with Youtube intermittent
Asking if Youtube is having problems is pretty vague
without more information.
Their content delivery is very ‘segmented’ per region
and sometimes per provider.
What does the output of
http://redirector.c.youtube.com/report_mapping show you?
Paul
*From:*Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com
mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] *On Behalf Of *Paul McCall
*Sent:* Tuesday, April 7, 2015 10:36 PM
*To:* af@afmug.com mailto:af@afmug.com
*Cc:* All Users
*Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] problems with Youtube intermittent
Looks like its just certain parts of the country…
https://downdetector.com/status/youtube
*From:*Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] *On Behalf Of
*Josh Luthman
*Sent:* Tuesday, April 07, 2015 10:23 PM
*To:* af@afmug.com mailto:af@afmug.com
*Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] problems with Youtube intermittent
No
Re: [AFMUG] Low Voltage Disconnect
If the temp comp probe isn't connected, it assumes 25C/77F, IIRC. I
would definitely not run it without the temp probe unless this is in a
NOC or controlled shelter type environment.
There's a jumper that controls the battery type in use. Gel for gel, SLA
for VRLA, AGM, etc. That also does something with the LVD, but I don't
remember what. The temp compensation also has an effect on the LVD. It's
all microprocessor controlled.
With the remote cable connected and batteries + temp sensor
disconnected, adjust the pot on the BCM (not the power supply) for your
desired float voltage with a meter on the battery terminals. I usually
set it to 27.6. Do not touch that potentiometer with the sensor,
batteries or load connected.
Power everything off then connect the temp probe and batteries. Power it
back up. Like Ken said, the BCM adjusts the TSP power supply output
voltage. Check battery output voltage at the BCM, look at your shunt
reading or clamp-on ammeter, etc. You should see 1 amp (that's the BCM
current limit) if the batteries are 90% or so.
The LVD will cut off at 1.83 volt per cell for SLA. The BATT-OK contact
will open slightly before the LVD kicks in as an early warning (awesome
feature). So 22V for the BCM24 and 44V for the BCM48. That is very, very
conservative if you ask me, especially for a UPS. The batteries are not
being cycled daily like solar. AGMs can be taken down very deep in a
typical UPS situation and not sustain any damage or loss of capacity.
Again, this is not solar.
The Mean Well AD-155 LVD is much lower. Like 19.5V for the 155B, IIRC.
Fine with me since I put those at smaller sites with smaller batteries,
and they're cheap batteries, so if it ruins them, oh well, replace.
On 4/8/2015 5:54 PM, Ken Hohhof wrote:
With the Traco setup, the BCM controls the power supply voltage to be
what is needed to charge the batteries. The loads get that same
voltage, so the output will be 27 or 28 volts not 24.
Is there a possibility the battery remote temperature probe is not
connected correctly or is bad? I don't know what happens if that is
open. Some chargers will assume 27*C if the probe is missing, I don't
know what Traco does.
-Original Message- From: Bill Prince
Sent: Wednesday, April 08, 2015 5:02 PM
To: af@afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Low Voltage Disconnect
I've never used this setup, but with the chargers/controllers I've used,
the output of the power supply has to be greater than 24V. In fact,
doesn't the output of the power supply have to be at least 28 or 28.5
volts? This would allow the battery controller to modulate the output to
the batteries, whether it be bulk, absorption, or float?
bp
part15sbs{at}gmail{dot}com
On 4/8/2015 1:27 PM, Christopher Tyler wrote:
Attached is a picture of the setup as it is now. 24 supply and 24v
loads, everything feeds through the Meanwell regulator.
I followed the instructions from Traco, but as you can see the
battery is currently at about 23v and that is what the Traco power
supply is outputting. The instructions say to turn the power supply
all the way down and to let the BCM control the output. It's all set
up, jumper is in position 1, the feedback cable is connected between
the PS and the BCM but the BCM doesn't appear to be telling the power
supply to do anything except turn on.
Anyone with some experience with Traco care to tell me what I'm doing
wrong. It's worked like this since day one, the BCM doesn't appear to
be doing anything regardless of the battery voltage.
Re: [AFMUG] Low Voltage Disconnect
If a 12v battery went down to 3v, is it toast? Or if it's only happened once can you simply charge it and expect it to operate normally? Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373 On Wed, Apr 8, 2015 at 8:32 PM, Chuck McCown ch...@wbmfg.com wrote: +1 Screw LVD. Do you want to risk losing connectivity when the LVD trips only to have power restored 10 minutes later? If you power is that crappy that it will trip enough to significantly save your battery you do not have a large enough battery. If you are doing LVD to prevent the chance of a infrequent deep discharge, it is still a waste of money. Again, more battery is the answer. A deep discharge once a year is not going to markedly reduce battery life unless you draw them clear down and leave them discharged for an extended period of time. If you don’t want to put the money into a larger battery, put in telemetry that is monitored with a PRTG/MRTG type of tool that will send you and email when things are getting low. Then you can run out with a generator or perhaps manually turn stuff off via telemetry until power comes back on. I used to be a believer in LVD but not any more. Now, if there is any chance of keeping things running, I want to keep things running. *From:* Josh Luthman j...@imaginenetworksllc.com *Sent:* Wednesday, April 08, 2015 12:49 PM *To:* af@afmug.com *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Low Voltage Disconnect First off I'd suggest getting enough batteries that you wouldn't need an LVD. Second, I'd rather see my batteries lose a bit of life and keep the site up then have everything go down saving my batteries. Tertiary/finally, what equipment do you have now? My regulator cuts off at 19v and still provides 24v. I figure the batteries are at 9.5v they're already sper low. Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373 On Wed, Apr 8, 2015 at 2:44 PM, Christopher Tyler ch...@totalhighspeed.net wrote: Looking for recommendations on a 24v LVD to protect our batteries from being drained. Anyone have one they recommend? -- Christopher Tyler MTCRE/MTCNA/MTCTCE/MTCWE Total Highspeed Internet Services 417.851.1107
Re: [AFMUG] Quick antenna question
Yep...protect your fade margin Jaime Solorza On Apr 8, 2015 7:56 PM, Mike Hammett af...@ics-il.net wrote: Every db counts... - Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions http://www.ics-il.com https://www.facebook.com/ICSIL https://plus.google.com/+IntelligentComputingSolutionsDeKalb https://www.linkedin.com/company/intelligent-computing-solutions https://twitter.com/ICSIL -- *From: *Josh Luthman j...@imaginenetworksllc.com *To: *af@afmug.com *Sent: *Tuesday, April 7, 2015 1:20:03 PM *Subject: *Re: [AFMUG] Quick antenna question 6db??? Omg!!! Use the 400! Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373 On Apr 7, 2015 2:18 PM, Mathew Howard mhoward...@gmail.com wrote: It looks like there'd be about 6db of loss on 20' of LMR195 vs. 2.2db on LMR400... that's actually not as bad as I thought. Personally, I'd go with at least LMR240 for that long of a run. On Tue, Apr 7, 2015 at 1:06 PM, Josh Luthman j...@imaginenetworksllc.com wrote: For the AN50s I always did LMR400 because that's what was there. It was never more than 3 meters (9 feet). For every other radio it's generally what's included. The biggest I can think of is the brand we can't say here - might be heavy duty LMR195, though. Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373 On Tue, Apr 7, 2015 at 2:01 PM, Glen Waldrop gwl...@cngwireless.net wrote: I might do that. Is that what you use for less than 20ft? LMR400 has less loss, but I think at that length all the loss is going to be the connectors anyway. 400 is a bit stiff. - Original Message - *From:* Josh Luthman j...@imaginenetworksllc.com *To:* af@afmug.com *Sent:* Tuesday, April 07, 2015 12:58 PM *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Quick antenna question For 20 feet you could just use 195, I don't think you get any much difference at 5 GHz. Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373 On Tue, Apr 7, 2015 at 1:56 PM, Glen Waldrop gwl...@cngwireless.net wrote: We seal ours as well. I recrimped most of the premade cables I purchased after I got a batch where the ends just came off. Assemble the equipment on the ground for testing, go to line the antenna up for a test shot, notice no signal, the coax is laying on the ground. I didn't take the end off, just hit it again with the crimpers from each direction. That has made me a bit gun shy about LMR400, especially after it happened on a tower. - Original Message - *From:* Josh Luthman j...@imaginenetworksllc.com *To:* af@afmug.com *Sent:* Tuesday, April 07, 2015 12:49 PM *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Quick antenna question Nearly all of my coax is preterminated. It's all a) Streakwave or b) included with the antenna. I can't recall if we've ever had a problem with any of it, but we always use coax seal. Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373 On Tue, Apr 7, 2015 at 1:34 PM, Glen Waldrop gwl...@cngwireless.net wrote: 15dBi omni and ~15 to 20ft LMR400. Lightning blew the door off the power box on the ground, fried the mini PCI cards, but the RB600 still worked, just no data across the ethernet port. The unit was hit in 09, was replaced and the antenna and coax have been in service the whole time. I never replaced it as I thought the hinky rx signal was just misreported, a 24Mbps link @ -88 shouldn't happen. Rx signal quality has finally gone down to match the actual numbers now, so I think something in the antenna was damaged. The problem I have here is quality cables. I've gone through around 50 that were replaced by Streakwave. They had a bad batch. Made me quite shy to replace what appears to be a good cable with one that might just quit like some others have. I made this one in late 08. - Original Message - *From:* Jaime Solorza losguyswirel...@gmail.com *To:* Animal Farm af@afmug.com *Sent:* Tuesday, April 07, 2015 12:12 PM *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Quick antenna question more info ...what kind of antenna? how much RF cable and what kind is it? what do connectors look like ? Jaime Solorza Wireless Systems Architect 915-861-1390 On Tue, Apr 7, 2015 at 11:09 AM, Glen Waldrop gwl...@cngwireless.net wrote: I had a tower hit by lightning. The antenna appeared to survive, so I replaced electronics and let it go. The system reports low rx signal, 20dB worse than expected, but got the speeds I expected, so originally I thought the signal was just being misreported by the new equipment. It has degraded now, so we're working on it this afternoon. I'm replacing the antenna, but what are the odds that the coax is damaged as well? I've got spare, probably going to send it up with the climber anyway.
Re: [AFMUG] OT - ultrawide displays
One of our developers is using this: http://www.amazon.com/Seiki-SE39UY04-39-Inch-Ultra-120Hz/dp/B00DOPGO2G I can't lie when I walk past it, it looks pretty sweet... On Wed, Apr 8, 2015 at 9:57 PM, Mike Hammett af...@ics-il.net wrote: Those are nice in pairs. - Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions http://www.ics-il.com https://www.facebook.com/ICSIL https://plus.google.com/+IntelligentComputingSolutionsDeKalb https://www.linkedin.com/company/intelligent-computing-solutions https://twitter.com/ICSIL -- *From: *Jaime Solorza losguyswirel...@gmail.com *To: *Animal Farm af@afmug.com *Sent: *Monday, April 6, 2015 4:38:58 PM *Subject: *Re: [AFMUG] OT - ultrawide displays most impressive ones I have seen were at ATT Stadium Jaime Solorza Wireless Systems Architect 915-861-1390 On Mon, Apr 6, 2015 at 3:10 PM, Ken Hohhof af...@kwisp.com wrote: I did not know such things existed. 21:9 aspect ratio and curved screen. 3440 x 1440 pixels. http://accessories.dell.com/sna/productdetail.aspx?c=usl= ens=dhscs=19sku=210-ADTR I figured this would be the answer for those of you who put 2 monitors side-by-side. But of course they show 2 of THESE side-by-side.
[AFMUG] Chicago weather Thursday
Late tonight, tomorrow and tomorrow evening looks awesome. Hail in excess of an inch, winds 60MPH and tornadoes possible. Just had a pretty heavy band come though and knock a 4.5 mile 11GHz link down 20dB, but when you have a -40 RSSI, it's no so bad. :) Then there's AF24's, link wiped out for 10 minutes. Rain is good, except for knocking links out, but hail, lightning and tornadoes is *not* cool, WTF God. I already feel this is going to be a bad summer.
Re: [AFMUG] Low Voltage Disconnect
DEFINITELY between batteries. Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373 On Wed, Apr 8, 2015 at 4:37 PM, Josh Baird joshba...@gmail.com wrote: I can't speak for the LVD (I'm sure someone can), but I don't see any fuses on your DC distribution. I may just be missing them, but if not, you may want to consider adding some. It would be a good practice to put DC breakers/fuses in between your battery bank and charger as well. On Wed, Apr 8, 2015 at 4:27 PM, Christopher Tyler ch...@totalhighspeed.net wrote: Might help if there was a pic, eh? -- Christopher Tyler MTCRE/MTCNA/MTCTCE/MTCWE Total Highspeed Internet Services 417.851.1107 - Original Message - From: Christopher Tyler ch...@totalhighspeed.net To: af@afmug.com Sent: Wednesday, April 8, 2015 3:27:15 PM Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Low Voltage Disconnect Attached is a picture of the setup as it is now. 24 supply and 24v loads, everything feeds through the Meanwell regulator. I followed the instructions from Traco, but as you can see the battery is currently at about 23v and that is what the Traco power supply is outputting. The instructions say to turn the power supply all the way down and to let the BCM control the output. It's all set up, jumper is in position 1, the feedback cable is connected between the PS and the BCM but the BCM doesn't appear to be telling the power supply to do anything except turn on. Anyone with some experience with Traco care to tell me what I'm doing wrong. It's worked like this since day one, the BCM doesn't appear to be doing anything regardless of the battery voltage. -- Christopher Tyler MTCRE/MTCNA/MTCTCE/MTCWE Total Highspeed Internet Services 417.851.1107 - Original Message - From: Christopher Tyler ch...@totalhighspeed.net To: af@afmug.com Sent: Wednesday, April 8, 2015 3:19:35 PM Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Low Voltage Disconnect Commercial power. -- Christopher Tyler MTCRE/MTCNA/MTCTCE/MTCWE Total Highspeed Internet Services 417.851.1107 - Original Message - From: Ken Hohhof af...@kwisp.com To: af@afmug.com Sent: Wednesday, April 8, 2015 3:18:25 PM Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Low Voltage Disconnect Is this powered by solar or commercial power? One approach is to use a charger that includes a LVD, like the Traco TSP-BCM (which controls a TSP series AC/DC power supply). The LVD is fixed not adjustable. -Original Message- From: Christopher Tyler Sent: Wednesday, April 08, 2015 2:23 PM To: af@afmug.com Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Low Voltage Disconnect We are currently testing using two 12v 100Ah telecom batteries in series. They are slightly expensive to replace, especially when we will have four (or more) at some sites, most will have two. I'm using a Meanwell RSD-100B-24 regulator for the Tik RB-493G router right now. Looks like the cutout for the regulator is around 16v from what I can decipher from the datasheet. My test radios (2 Canopy and 2 UBNT) are connected to the battery without regulation. This setup will drain the batteries until they are pretty much dead and buried. I ran them over the weekend and I figured it would stop draining around 10v at worst, it didn't. They ended up around 6v in parallel or 3v per battery. I figure I shaved off some capacity and lifetime of my test batteries with that, hopefully not too much. -- Christopher Tyler MTCRE/MTCNA/MTCTCE/MTCWE Total Highspeed Internet Services 417.851.1107 - Original Message - From: Josh Luthman j...@imaginenetworksllc.com To: af@afmug.com Sent: Wednesday, April 8, 2015 1:49:05 PM Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Low Voltage Disconnect First off I'd suggest getting enough batteries that you wouldn't need an LVD. Second, I'd rather see my batteries lose a bit of life and keep the site up then have everything go down saving my batteries. Tertiary/finally, what equipment do you have now? My regulator cuts off at 19v and still provides 24v. I figure the batteries are at 9.5v they're already sper low. Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373 On Wed, Apr 8, 2015 at 2:44 PM, Christopher Tyler ch...@totalhighspeed.net wrote: Looking for recommendations on a 24v LVD to protect our batteries from being drained. Anyone have one they recommend? -- Christopher Tyler MTCRE/MTCNA/MTCTCE/MTCWE Total Highspeed Internet Services 417.851.1107
Re: [AFMUG] Smaller generators with inverters
Josh I work at auto zone part time and I didn’t know we even carried these generators on them. Tim From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Josh Luthman Sent: Wednesday, April 08, 2015 8:40 PM To: af@afmug.com Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Smaller generators with inverters So for example this: http://www.autozone.com/power-tools/portable-generator/power-pro-1000-watt-generator-no-return-on-used-generator-/290845_0_0/ It has a 120v outlet but doesn't have an inverter. How is that possible? This is $320 and says inverter: http://www.autozone.com/power-tools/portable-generator/generac-portable-inverter-generator/568401_0_0/ The big ones I have definitely work on the big APCs (1500-2200va). I bought them in 2008? so I don't have the specs anymore. The site's I'd be most likely to use it would be going into a Meanwell rectifier. Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373 On Wed, Apr 8, 2015 at 8:33 PM, Glen Waldrop gwl...@cngwireless.net wrote: I'm not sure how picky your hardware is, but most inverters and generators don't put out a full sine wave. Battery backups tend to trip constantly, but my equipment seems to handle it fine. Full sine wave generators tend to cost a little bit more. - Original Message - From: Josh Luthman mailto:j...@imaginenetworksllc.com To: af@afmug.com Sent: Wednesday, April 08, 2015 7:21 PM Subject: [AFMUG] Smaller generators with inverters Can anyone share what kind of generators they're using? I'm looking for something that's smaller for one person to carry. I don't need anything big, maybe 250 watt load at the most. Looking online I see $600 minimum. I'd be using this at smaller sites that don't already have a big 24 hour generator already so portability would be the most important feature. Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373
