Re: [AFMUG] 3P-36 Sector Antenna Mount with 3 36” Masts
yes.
per the text at the bottom of the page:
The 3P-36 mount allows three sector antennas to be mounted with one
attachment to the tower. This mount was designed specifically for the
Cambium 450 access point. Use two back to back for 360 degree coverage.
bp
part15sbs{at}gmail{dot}com
On 5/20/2015 9:18 PM, Josh Luthman wrote:
http://wbmfg.com/products.cfm?PID=72
I want to be clear on what this is. The picture is very confusing to
me and of course it's the one of few products without a mechanical
drawing =(
Does this attach to one pipe and give you three 3' poles? Like a
triple MTOWP?
PS: data sheet has a broken image
Josh Luthman
Office: 937-552-2340
Direct: 937-552-2343
1100 Wayne St
Suite 1337
Troy, OH 45373
Re: [AFMUG] mimosa
Don't have your answer, only the results and the radios are running 40x40, split channels. I do know he doesn't want to get into a battle with everyone over this issue and I don't blame him. Mention something negative about Ubiquiti and you get investigated and accused of everything from stealing candy from babies to taking payoffs from multiple sides and trying to short sell the stock. He saw the lies and false accusations I had to go through on SeekingAlpha and he doesn't want any part of that. Nobody wants the facts, more important to attack the messenger. This gentlemen also has 30 more years in the radio industry than I do so I respect what he says. Rory From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Josh Reynolds Sent: Wednesday, May 20, 2015 6:52 PM To: af@afmug.com Subject: Re: [AFMUG] mimosa This story doesn't make a bit of sense. There would only be a handful of reasons he couldn't get enough throughput with AF5x radios, but could with a B5. If it's noise, well, the AF5X is going to handle adjacent and co-channel noise better than the B5, given the same channel widths and channel selection. There are certain situations where if everything was perfect and you were using a PAIR of 40MHz channels, that you could pull it off... but given you said it's a busy site, I'm not thinking that's the case. I'd love to learn more about that deployment. Josh Reynolds CIO, SPITwSPOTS www.spitwspots.comhttp://www.spitwspots.com On 05/20/2015 05:33 AM, Rory Conaway wrote: I�ve got 10 of them up and they have worked great.� As for mixing it with Cambium gear, that�s a tough one.� Because there is no interoperability with GPS between manufacturers, you have to rely on normal isolation methods.� You probably want to keep them at least 10 apart or more.� On the one tower where I was concerned about the issue and another location where I have a lot of 5GHz radios, Ubiquiti, and others on the same roof, I�m using the Jirous dishes with the built-in shrouds and then using the B5c�s.� I don�t have any comparison to the B5 in that situation, I just planned for the worst case scenario.� I have another colleague that is using the B5c�s with Ubiquiti antennas with Ubiquiti shroud on the same roof because he needed a 34dBi antenna and it�s shooting 32 miles. ��He couldn�t get enough throughput out of the AF5x radios so he swapped to the Mimosa and he is getting 2-3 times more throughput, about 200Mbps. � Rory � From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Ryan Mano Sent: Wednesday, May 20, 2015 6:20 AM To: 'af@afmug.commailto:af@afmug.com' Subject: [AFMUG] mimosa � Would like to know what your feedback is on the mimosa B5 intergrated�.am looking to try this out and if its ok to mix with cambium gear on the same towers � thanks � �
Re: [AFMUG] Anyone serving Arizona City (AZ)?
Probably not. Shoot me an address and I'll see what we can do.
Rory
-Original Message-
From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Bill Prince
Sent: Wednesday, May 20, 2015 6:02 PM
To: Motorola III
Subject: [AFMUG] Anyone serving Arizona City (AZ)?
We know someone moving there; roughly half-way between Tucson and Phoenix. He
tells me there is no internet service there?
--
bp
part15sbs{at}gmail{dot}com
Re: [AFMUG] vivint
I think they are sometimes 5Ghz and sometimes something else on the houses. The backhauls appear to be the unlicensed SAF 20+GHZ stuff to nearby drops. Most of those in Saratoga Springs are connected to CentraCom Fiber at the schools etc. And they are doing 50Mbps for $50 or $60 depending on who you talk to. So maybe they outperform DirectCom now, but when you guys get more fiber and for a better price they will switch. We took over quite a few in some neighborhoods already. From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Chuck McCown Sent: Thursday, May 21, 2015 12:20 PM To: af@afmug.com Subject: [AFMUG] vivint Anyone know if the APs are 5.8 GHz? I saw one going in today. Fed with a backhaul with a 2 foot dish. Couldn’t get close enough to see if it was licensed or not. The AP antennas look like little whips. At roof top. In a very heavy tree’d neighborhood. With trees taller than the houses. With a bunch of other WISPs in the area... And I just rolled fiber down that street. Wonder who will win in the end?
Re: [AFMUG] 3P-36 Sector Antenna Mount with 3 36” Masts
I think a pic showing it with antennas installed would help show how it works. I'll dig around and see if I have any good pics or video of one in service. -sean On Thursday, May 21, 2015, Chuck McCown ch...@wbmfg.com wrote: What part of the picture is misleading? Hard to photograph that thing and give you a good idea of what it is. Maybe if I just laid it on the floor on a white sheet of paper? *From:* Josh Luthman javascript:_e(%7B%7D,'cvml','j...@imaginenetworksllc.com'); *Sent:* Thursday, May 21, 2015 7:30 AM *To:* af@afmug.com javascript:_e(%7B%7D,'cvml','af@afmug.com'); *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG]3P-36 Sector Antenna Mount with 3 36” Masts Honestly just a better picture would be way easier. The picture there is visually misleading. Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373 On May 21, 2015 9:29 AM, Chuck McCown ch...@wbmfg.com javascript:_e(%7B%7D,'cvml','ch...@wbmfg.com'); wrote: Yes, attaches to one pipe and gives you 3 3’ mounting pipes. Or you can put two of them back to back for 6 mounts. I will work on the drawing etc. The website is my least favorite thing to work on. Thanks for the heads up about the broken image. *From:* Josh Luthman javascript:_e(%7B%7D,'cvml','j...@imaginenetworksllc.com'); *Sent:* Wednesday, May 20, 2015 10:18 PM *To:* af@afmug.com javascript:_e(%7B%7D,'cvml','af@afmug.com'); *Subject:* [AFMUG] 3P-36 Sector Antenna Mount with 3 36” Masts http://wbmfg.com/products.cfm?PID=72 I want to be clear on what this is. The picture is very confusing to me and of course it's the one of few products without a mechanical drawing =( Does this attach to one pipe and give you three 3' poles? Like a triple MTOWP? PS: data sheet has a broken image Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373
Re: [AFMUG] vivint
I heard they were using this in 28GHz for BH to their micro sites: http://cbnl.com/vectastar-gigabit-highlights Joe Falaschi e-vergent On May 21, 2015, at 1:29 PM, Sterling Jacobson wrote: I think they are sometimes 5Ghz and sometimes something else on the houses. The backhauls appear to be the unlicensed SAF 20+GHZ stuff to nearby drops. Most of those in Saratoga Springs are connected to CentraCom Fiber at the schools etc. And they are doing 50Mbps for $50 or $60 depending on who you talk to. So maybe they outperform DirectCom now, but when you guys get more fiber and for a better price they will switch. We took over quite a few in some neighborhoods already. From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Chuck McCown Sent: Thursday, May 21, 2015 12:20 PM To: af@afmug.com Subject: [AFMUG] vivint Anyone know if the APs are 5.8 GHz? I saw one going in today. Fed with a backhaul with a 2 foot dish. Couldn’t get close enough to see if it was licensed or not. The AP antennas look like little whips. At roof top. In a very heavy tree’d neighborhood. With trees taller than the houses. With a bunch of other WISPs in the area... And I just rolled fiber down that street. Wonder who will win in the end?
Re: [AFMUG] vivint
The bigger marketing budget. Or cheapest pricing. Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373 On Thu, May 21, 2015 at 2:20 PM, Chuck McCown ch...@wbmfg.com wrote: Anyone know if the APs are 5.8 GHz? I saw one going in today. Fed with a backhaul with a 2 foot dish. Couldn’t get close enough to see if it was licensed or not. The AP antennas look like little whips. At roof top. In a very heavy tree’d neighborhood. With trees taller than the houses. With a bunch of other WISPs in the area... And I just rolled fiber down that street. Wonder who will win in the end?
Re: [AFMUG] vivint
So CentraCom is feeding them? I just love my friends down in Sanpete County... From: Sterling Jacobson Sent: Thursday, May 21, 2015 12:29 PM To: af@afmug.com Subject: Re: [AFMUG] vivint I think they are sometimes 5Ghz and sometimes something else on the houses. The backhauls appear to be the unlicensed SAF 20+GHZ stuff to nearby drops. Most of those in Saratoga Springs are connected to CentraCom Fiber at the schools etc. And they are doing 50Mbps for $50 or $60 depending on who you talk to. So maybe they outperform DirectCom now, but when you guys get more fiber and for a better price they will switch. We took over quite a few in some neighborhoods already. From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Chuck McCown Sent: Thursday, May 21, 2015 12:20 PM To: af@afmug.com Subject: [AFMUG] vivint Anyone know if the APs are 5.8 GHz? I saw one going in today. Fed with a backhaul with a 2 foot dish. Couldn’t get close enough to see if it was licensed or not. The AP antennas look like little whips. At roof top. In a very heavy tree’d neighborhood. With trees taller than the houses. With a bunch of other WISPs in the area... And I just rolled fiber down that street. Wonder who will win in the end?
Re: [AFMUG] vivint
Yeah, it looked like it was licensed. Reading some of their reviews: http://vivint.pissedconsumer.com/wireless-internet-problems-20140812521011.html They are trying to get folks to do a 2 year contract... From: Brett A Mansfield Sent: Thursday, May 21, 2015 12:27 PM To: af@afmug.com Subject: Re: [AFMUG] vivint The large dish is licensed, I think 28GHz. The smaller radios are 5.1-5.8GHz. And they use it all!!! They have put hub homes right next door to each of my towers. Thank you, Brett A Mansfield On May 21, 2015, at 12:20 PM, Chuck McCown ch...@wbmfg.com wrote: Anyone know if the APs are 5.8 GHz? I saw one going in today. Fed with a backhaul with a 2 foot dish. Couldn’t get close enough to see if it was licensed or not. The AP antennas look like little whips. At roof top. In a very heavy tree’d neighborhood. With trees taller than the houses. With a bunch of other WISPs in the area... And I just rolled fiber down that street. Wonder who will win in the end?
Re: [AFMUG] vivint
Do you give folks any kind of incentive or discount to switch? From: Sterling Jacobson Sent: Thursday, May 21, 2015 12:29 PM To: af@afmug.com Subject: Re: [AFMUG] vivint I think they are sometimes 5Ghz and sometimes something else on the houses. The backhauls appear to be the unlicensed SAF 20+GHZ stuff to nearby drops. Most of those in Saratoga Springs are connected to CentraCom Fiber at the schools etc. And they are doing 50Mbps for $50 or $60 depending on who you talk to. So maybe they outperform DirectCom now, but when you guys get more fiber and for a better price they will switch. We took over quite a few in some neighborhoods already. From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Chuck McCown Sent: Thursday, May 21, 2015 12:20 PM To: af@afmug.com Subject: [AFMUG] vivint Anyone know if the APs are 5.8 GHz? I saw one going in today. Fed with a backhaul with a 2 foot dish. Couldn’t get close enough to see if it was licensed or not. The AP antennas look like little whips. At roof top. In a very heavy tree’d neighborhood. With trees taller than the houses. With a bunch of other WISPs in the area... And I just rolled fiber down that street. Wonder who will win in the end?
Re: [AFMUG] vivint
My neighbor across the street that I'm good friends with just had it installed on his home. I'll ask him if he'd be okay with me just taking a look. If so, I'll get you guys some more info. Thank you, Brett A Mansfield On May 21, 2015, at 12:51 PM, Joe Falaschi listm...@wi.net wrote: I heard they were using this in 28GHz for BH to their micro sites: http://cbnl.com/vectastar-gigabit-highlights Joe Falaschi e-vergent On May 21, 2015, at 1:29 PM, Sterling Jacobson wrote: I think they are sometimes 5Ghz and sometimes something else on the houses. The backhauls appear to be the unlicensed SAF 20+GHZ stuff to nearby drops. Most of those in Saratoga Springs are connected to CentraCom Fiber at the schools etc. And they are doing 50Mbps for $50 or $60 depending on who you talk to. So maybe they outperform DirectCom now, but when you guys get more fiber and for a better price they will switch. We took over quite a few in some neighborhoods already. From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Chuck McCown Sent: Thursday, May 21, 2015 12:20 PM To: af@afmug.com Subject: [AFMUG] vivint Anyone know if the APs are 5.8 GHz? I saw one going in today. Fed with a backhaul with a 2 foot dish. Couldn’t get close enough to see if it was licensed or not. The AP antennas look like little whips. At roof top. In a very heavy tree’d neighborhood. With trees taller than the houses. With a bunch of other WISPs in the area... And I just rolled fiber down that street. Wonder who will win in the end?
Re: [AFMUG] mt ospf question
There are about 0 times when you should distribute connected, just a FYI. 99% of the time it causes issues with unintended and/or unneeded distribution of routes .. Dennis Burgess, CTO, Link Technologies, Inc. den...@linktechs.netmailto:den...@linktechs.net – 314-735-0270 – www.linktechs.nethttp://www.linktechs.net From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Gilbert Gutierrez Sent: Wednesday, May 20, 2015 3:47 PM To: af@afmug.com Subject: Re: [AFMUG] mt ospf question Are you redistributing Connected? If the /30 is not on the networks tab, then you will need to redistribute connected routes. If you add static routes pointing to places you will want to redistribute static routes as well. Gilbert On 5/20/2015 1:03 PM, That One Guy /sarcasm wrote: So I have this here mikrotik Ive been implementing ospf on Right now because this is transition, all MT ports hit the same switch Eth6 is on a /30 that is going to a powercode BMU thats distributing the default route, it works fine Eth2 is on a /30 that is going to a fortigate, it works fine the routes propagate as they should I initially tried to add another /30 to Eth2 for a second fortigate, but it wouldnt let me add the netwok so I put that /30 on eth3 it comes up in a state designated router I moved it to eth4, same thing designated router the other two that are working have said backup all along is there something about adding a third ospf interface to mikrotik i need to know here? -- If you only see yourself as part of the team but you don't see your team as part of yourself you have already failed as part of the team.
Re: [AFMUG] 3P-36 Sector Antenna Mount with 3 36” Masts
Thanks
Josh Luthman
Office: 937-552-2340
Direct: 937-552-2343
1100 Wayne St
Suite 1337
Troy, OH 45373
On May 21, 2015 2:45 AM, Bill Prince part15...@gmail.com wrote:
yes.
per the text at the bottom of the page:
The 3P-36 mount allows three sector antennas to be mounted with one
attachment to the tower. This mount was designed specifically for the
Cambium 450 access point. Use two back to back for 360 degree coverage.
bp
part15sbs{at}gmail{dot}com
On 5/20/2015 9:18 PM, Josh Luthman wrote:
http://wbmfg.com/products.cfm?PID=72
I want to be clear on what this is. The picture is very confusing to me
and of course it's the one of few products without a mechanical drawing =(
Does this attach to one pipe and give you three 3' poles? Like a triple
MTOWP?
PS: data sheet has a broken image
Josh Luthman
Office: 937-552-2340
Direct: 937-552-2343
1100 Wayne St
Suite 1337
Troy, OH 45373
Re: [AFMUG] looking for a simple lp gauge
What if I dont have an existing dial? This is a 50gal upright tank that just has a valve on top. I was thinking they may have an inline sender that measure the amount of pressure. On 5/20/2015 9:42 AM, Chuck McCown wrote: You take the dial off the existing gauge and install the sending unit in its place. The dial goes back on top I think so you don’t lose the local indicator. *From:* David mailto:dmilho...@wletc.com *Sent:* Wednesday, May 20, 2015 8:32 AM *To:* af@afmug.com mailto:af@afmug.com *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] looking for a simple lp gauge Does this sensor fit directly on the tank or inline with the hose? On 05/19/2015 08:25 AM, Chuck McCown wrote: http://www.rochestergauges.com/products/R6315-12.html *From:* David Milholen mailto:dmilho...@wletc.com *Sent:* Monday, May 18, 2015 9:16 PM *To:* af@afmug.com mailto:af@afmug.com *Subject:* [AFMUG] looking for a simple lp gauge I am looking for a LP gas gauge that has a sensor for remote sense in the measure of ohms to connect to a site monitor or possibly the standby controller we have to let us know the level of our LP tank. ALSO forest, If you would be so kind to tell me the secret rule for configuring the exorcise rule for a 2 wire generator config. When I set it up it either doesnt start at all or even trigger the standby sequence. Other configs I have tried will start it but it doesnt complete the cycle. -- --
Re: [AFMUG] mt ospf question
You base distribution on your networks vs “connected” Dennis Burgess, CTO, Link Technologies, Inc. den...@linktechs.netmailto:den...@linktechs.net – 314-735-0270 – www.linktechs.nethttp://www.linktechs.net From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Stefan Englhardt Sent: Thursday, May 21, 2015 7:16 AM To: af@afmug.com Subject: Re: [AFMUG] mt ospf question Looked twice at this. How does your network know the route to a network connected to one of your routers if he does not redistribute this information into ospf? Von: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] Im Auftrag von Dennis Burgess Gesendet: Donnerstag, 21. Mai 2015 14:10 An: af@afmug.commailto:af@afmug.com Betreff: Re: [AFMUG] mt ospf question There are about 0 times when you should distribute connected, just a FYI. 99% of the time it causes issues with unintended and/or unneeded distribution of routes .. Dennis Burgess, CTO, Link Technologies, Inc. den...@linktechs.netmailto:den...@linktechs.net – 314-735-0270 – www.linktechs.nethttp://www.linktechs.net From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Gilbert Gutierrez Sent: Wednesday, May 20, 2015 3:47 PM To: af@afmug.commailto:af@afmug.com Subject: Re: [AFMUG] mt ospf question Are you redistributing Connected? If the /30 is not on the networks tab, then you will need to redistribute connected routes. If you add static routes pointing to places you will want to redistribute static routes as well. Gilbert On 5/20/2015 1:03 PM, That One Guy /sarcasm wrote: So I have this here mikrotik Ive been implementing ospf on Right now because this is transition, all MT ports hit the same switch Eth6 is on a /30 that is going to a powercode BMU thats distributing the default route, it works fine Eth2 is on a /30 that is going to a fortigate, it works fine the routes propagate as they should I initially tried to add another /30 to Eth2 for a second fortigate, but it wouldnt let me add the netwok so I put that /30 on eth3 it comes up in a state designated router I moved it to eth4, same thing designated router the other two that are working have said backup all along is there something about adding a third ospf interface to mikrotik i need to know here? -- If you only see yourself as part of the team but you don't see your team as part of yourself you have already failed as part of the team.
Re: [AFMUG] OT: HDTV Omni recommendations
If they're all different channels you could use diplexers to combine the
channels onto one cablenot sure how that compares to the cost of a switch,
but you wouldn't have to push buttons to switch antennas.
Sent from my iPhone
On May 20, 2015, at 7:59 PM, Bill Prince part15...@gmail.com wrote:
or you could put up three different antennas with fixed azimuth connect
them to an antenna switch.
bp
part15sbs{at}gmail{dot}com
On 5/20/2015 2:48 PM, Bruce Robertson wrote:
Hey, all you antenna geeks. I cut the cord awhile ago, and I need some
suggestions. My Mohu Leaf works sort of, but it's just not cutting it when
it comes to all channels. Unfortunately being in Reno NV (89503), I've got
three different and incompatible broadcast tower directions, so an omni is
kinda needed. (I'm not interested in a rotator.) I'm looking for some sort
of outdoor omni antenna that I can slap on my existing mast, stick the Cubox
MythTV backend server in an outdoor box, and run PoE Ethernet into the
house. I like the Mohu, but I'm not interested in paying $150 for the Mohu
Sky outdoor version.
There are just too many options on Amazon, so I'm looking for suggestions.
*Someone* on this list must have figured this out by now... :-)
Thanks in advance, and a free pint for the best answer.
Re: [AFMUG] mt ospf question
Looked twice at this. How does your network know the route to a network connected to one of your routers if he does not redistribute this information into ospf? Von: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] Im Auftrag von Dennis Burgess Gesendet: Donnerstag, 21. Mai 2015 14:10 An: af@afmug.com Betreff: Re: [AFMUG] mt ospf question There are about 0 times when you should distribute connected, just a FYI. 99% of the time it causes issues with unintended and/or unneeded distribution of routes .. Dennis Burgess, CTO, Link Technologies, Inc. den...@linktechs.net mailto:den...@linktechs.net – 314-735-0270 – www.linktechs.net http://www.linktechs.net From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Gilbert Gutierrez Sent: Wednesday, May 20, 2015 3:47 PM To: af@afmug.com mailto:af@afmug.com Subject: Re: [AFMUG] mt ospf question Are you redistributing Connected? If the /30 is not on the networks tab, then you will need to redistribute connected routes. If you add static routes pointing to places you will want to redistribute static routes as well. Gilbert On 5/20/2015 1:03 PM, That One Guy /sarcasm wrote: So I have this here mikrotik Ive been implementing ospf on Right now because this is transition, all MT ports hit the same switch Eth6 is on a /30 that is going to a powercode BMU thats distributing the default route, it works fine Eth2 is on a /30 that is going to a fortigate, it works fine the routes propagate as they should I initially tried to add another /30 to Eth2 for a second fortigate, but it wouldnt let me add the netwok so I put that /30 on eth3 it comes up in a state designated router I moved it to eth4, same thing designated router the other two that are working have said backup all along is there something about adding a third ospf interface to mikrotik i need to know here? -- If you only see yourself as part of the team but you don't see your team as part of yourself you have already failed as part of the team.
Re: [AFMUG] mt ospf question
For every router you manually specify the networks you wish to be allowed to be advertised in the networks section. - Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions http://www.ics-il.com Midwest Internet Exchange http://www.midwest-ix.com - Original Message - From: Mike Hammett af...@ics-il.net To: af@afmug.com Sent: Thursday, May 21, 2015 7:16:22 AM Subject: Re: [AFMUG] mt ospf question Some will defend it, but agreed. Never (re)distribute connected. - Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions http://www.ics-il.com Midwest Internet Exchange http://www.midwest-ix.com - Original Message - From: Dennis Burgess dmburg...@linktechs.net To: af@afmug.com Sent: Thursday, May 21, 2015 7:10:27 AM Subject: Re: [AFMUG] mt ospf question There are about 0 times when you should distribute connected, just a FYI. 99% of the time it causes issues with unintended and/or unneeded distribution of routes .. Dennis Burgess, CTO, Link Technologies, Inc. den...@linktechs.net – 314-735-0270 – www.linktechs.net From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Gilbert Gutierrez Sent: Wednesday, May 20, 2015 3:47 PM To: af@afmug.com Subject: Re: [AFMUG] mt ospf question Are you redistributing Connected? If the /30 is not on the networks tab, then you will need to redistribute connected routes. If you add static routes pointing to places you will want to redistribute static routes as well. Gilbert On 5/20/2015 1:03 PM, That One Guy /sarcasm wrote: So I have this here mikrotik Ive been implementing ospf on Right now because this is transition, all MT ports hit the same switch Eth6 is on a /30 that is going to a powercode BMU thats distributing the default route, it works fine Eth2 is on a /30 that is going to a fortigate, it works fine the routes propagate as they should I initially tried to add another /30 to Eth2 for a second fortigate, but it wouldnt let me add the netwok so I put that /30 on eth3 it comes up in a state designated router I moved it to eth4, same thing designated router the other two that are working have said backup all along is there something about adding a third ospf interface to mikrotik i need to know here? -- If you only see yourself as part of the team but you don't see your team as part of yourself you have already failed as part of the team.
Re: [AFMUG] mt ospf question
Some will defend it, but agreed. Never (re)distribute connected. - Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions http://www.ics-il.com Midwest Internet Exchange http://www.midwest-ix.com - Original Message - From: Dennis Burgess dmburg...@linktechs.net To: af@afmug.com Sent: Thursday, May 21, 2015 7:10:27 AM Subject: Re: [AFMUG] mt ospf question There are about 0 times when you should distribute connected, just a FYI. 99% of the time it causes issues with unintended and/or unneeded distribution of routes .. Dennis Burgess, CTO, Link Technologies, Inc. den...@linktechs.net – 314-735-0270 – www.linktechs.net From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Gilbert Gutierrez Sent: Wednesday, May 20, 2015 3:47 PM To: af@afmug.com Subject: Re: [AFMUG] mt ospf question Are you redistributing Connected? If the /30 is not on the networks tab, then you will need to redistribute connected routes. If you add static routes pointing to places you will want to redistribute static routes as well. Gilbert On 5/20/2015 1:03 PM, That One Guy /sarcasm wrote: So I have this here mikrotik Ive been implementing ospf on Right now because this is transition, all MT ports hit the same switch Eth6 is on a /30 that is going to a powercode BMU thats distributing the default route, it works fine Eth2 is on a /30 that is going to a fortigate, it works fine the routes propagate as they should I initially tried to add another /30 to Eth2 for a second fortigate, but it wouldnt let me add the netwok so I put that /30 on eth3 it comes up in a state designated router I moved it to eth4, same thing designated router the other two that are working have said backup all along is there something about adding a third ospf interface to mikrotik i need to know here? -- If you only see yourself as part of the team but you don't see your team as part of yourself you have already failed as part of the team.
Re: [AFMUG] mt ospf question
*sigh* Stupid mail clients. The e-mail that was on the screen was Stefan's yet it replied to the message that just came in. - Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions http://www.ics-il.com Midwest Internet Exchange http://www.midwest-ix.com - Original Message - From: Mike Hammett af...@ics-il.net To: af@afmug.com Sent: Thursday, May 21, 2015 7:17:27 AM Subject: Re: [AFMUG] mt ospf question For every router you manually specify the networks you wish to be allowed to be advertised in the networks section. - Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions http://www.ics-il.com Midwest Internet Exchange http://www.midwest-ix.com - Original Message - From: Mike Hammett af...@ics-il.net To: af@afmug.com Sent: Thursday, May 21, 2015 7:16:22 AM Subject: Re: [AFMUG] mt ospf question Some will defend it, but agreed. Never (re)distribute connected. - Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions http://www.ics-il.com Midwest Internet Exchange http://www.midwest-ix.com - Original Message - From: Dennis Burgess dmburg...@linktechs.net To: af@afmug.com Sent: Thursday, May 21, 2015 7:10:27 AM Subject: Re: [AFMUG] mt ospf question There are about 0 times when you should distribute connected, just a FYI. 99% of the time it causes issues with unintended and/or unneeded distribution of routes .. Dennis Burgess, CTO, Link Technologies, Inc. den...@linktechs.net – 314-735-0270 – www.linktechs.net From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Gilbert Gutierrez Sent: Wednesday, May 20, 2015 3:47 PM To: af@afmug.com Subject: Re: [AFMUG] mt ospf question Are you redistributing Connected? If the /30 is not on the networks tab, then you will need to redistribute connected routes. If you add static routes pointing to places you will want to redistribute static routes as well. Gilbert On 5/20/2015 1:03 PM, That One Guy /sarcasm wrote: So I have this here mikrotik Ive been implementing ospf on Right now because this is transition, all MT ports hit the same switch Eth6 is on a /30 that is going to a powercode BMU thats distributing the default route, it works fine Eth2 is on a /30 that is going to a fortigate, it works fine the routes propagate as they should I initially tried to add another /30 to Eth2 for a second fortigate, but it wouldnt let me add the netwok so I put that /30 on eth3 it comes up in a state designated router I moved it to eth4, same thing designated router the other two that are working have said backup all along is there something about adding a third ospf interface to mikrotik i need to know here? -- If you only see yourself as part of the team but you don't see your team as part of yourself you have already failed as part of the team.
Re: [AFMUG] mt ospf question
Bingo. Dennis Burgess, CTO, Link Technologies, Inc. den...@linktechs.netmailto:den...@linktechs.net – 314-735-0270 – www.linktechs.nethttp://www.linktechs.net From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Mike Hammett Sent: Thursday, May 21, 2015 7:17 AM To: af@afmug.com Subject: Re: [AFMUG] mt ospf question For every router you manually specify the networks you wish to be allowed to be advertised in the networks section. - Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions http://www.ics-il.com [http://www.ics-il.com/images/fbicon.png]https://www.facebook.com/ICSIL[http://www.ics-il.com/images/googleicon.png]https://plus.google.com/+IntelligentComputingSolutionsDeKalb[http://www.ics-il.com/images/linkedinicon.png]https://www.linkedin.com/company/intelligent-computing-solutions[http://www.ics-il.com/images/twittericon.png]https://twitter.com/ICSIL Midwest Internet Exchange http://www.midwest-ix.com [http://www.ics-il.com/images/fbicon.png]https://www.facebook.com/mdwestix[http://www.ics-il.com/images/linkedinicon.png]https://www.linkedin.com/company/midwest-internet-exchange[http://www.ics-il.com/images/twittericon.png]https://twitter.com/mdwestix From: Mike Hammett af...@ics-il.netmailto:af...@ics-il.net To: af@afmug.commailto:af@afmug.com Sent: Thursday, May 21, 2015 7:16:22 AM Subject: Re: [AFMUG] mt ospf question Some will defend it, but agreed. Never (re)distribute connected. - Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions http://www.ics-il.com [http://www.ics-il.com/images/fbicon.png]https://www.facebook.com/ICSIL[http://www.ics-il.com/images/googleicon.png]https://plus.google.com/+IntelligentComputingSolutionsDeKalb[http://www.ics-il.com/images/linkedinicon.png]https://www.linkedin.com/company/intelligent-computing-solutions[http://www.ics-il.com/images/twittericon.png]https://twitter.com/ICSIL Midwest Internet Exchange http://www.midwest-ix.com [http://www.ics-il.com/images/fbicon.png]https://www.facebook.com/mdwestix[http://www.ics-il.com/images/linkedinicon.png]https://www.linkedin.com/company/midwest-internet-exchange[http://www.ics-il.com/images/twittericon.png]https://twitter.com/mdwestix From: Dennis Burgess dmburg...@linktechs.netmailto:dmburg...@linktechs.net To: af@afmug.commailto:af@afmug.com Sent: Thursday, May 21, 2015 7:10:27 AM Subject: Re: [AFMUG] mt ospf question There are about 0 times when you should distribute connected, just a FYI. 99% of the time it causes issues with unintended and/or unneeded distribution of routes .. Dennis Burgess, CTO, Link Technologies, Inc. den...@linktechs.netmailto:den...@linktechs.net – 314-735-0270 – www.linktechs.nethttp://www.linktechs.net From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Gilbert Gutierrez Sent: Wednesday, May 20, 2015 3:47 PM To: af@afmug.commailto:af@afmug.com Subject: Re: [AFMUG] mt ospf question Are you redistributing Connected? If the /30 is not on the networks tab, then you will need to redistribute connected routes. If you add static routes pointing to places you will want to redistribute static routes as well. Gilbert On 5/20/2015 1:03 PM, That One Guy /sarcasm wrote: So I have this here mikrotik Ive been implementing ospf on Right now because this is transition, all MT ports hit the same switch Eth6 is on a /30 that is going to a powercode BMU thats distributing the default route, it works fine Eth2 is on a /30 that is going to a fortigate, it works fine the routes propagate as they should I initially tried to add another /30 to Eth2 for a second fortigate, but it wouldnt let me add the netwok so I put that /30 on eth3 it comes up in a state designated router I moved it to eth4, same thing designated router the other two that are working have said backup all along is there something about adding a third ospf interface to mikrotik i need to know here? -- If you only see yourself as part of the team but you don't see your team as part of yourself you have already failed as part of the team.
Re: [AFMUG] Anyone serving Arizona City (AZ)?
Bill, can you send me their contact information please. I might be able to
help.
Rory
-Original Message-
From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Rory Conaway
Sent: Wednesday, May 20, 2015 11:27 PM
To: af@afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Anyone serving Arizona City (AZ)?
Probably not. Shoot me an address and I'll see what we can do.
Rory
-Original Message-
From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Bill Prince
Sent: Wednesday, May 20, 2015 6:02 PM
To: Motorola III
Subject: [AFMUG] Anyone serving Arizona City (AZ)?
We know someone moving there; roughly half-way between Tucson and Phoenix. He
tells me there is no internet service there?
--
bp
part15sbs{at}gmail{dot}com
Re: [AFMUG] 3P-36 Sector Antenna Mount with 3 36” Masts
Yes I always order the 48 version tho because you can stack 2 APs vertically on each pole giving you 6 APs per side. -sean On Wednesday, May 20, 2015, Josh Luthman j...@imaginenetworksllc.com wrote: http://wbmfg.com/products.cfm?PID=72 I want to be clear on what this is. The picture is very confusing to me and of course it's the one of few products without a mechanical drawing =( Does this attach to one pipe and give you three 3' poles? Like a triple MTOWP? PS: data sheet has a broken image Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373
Re: [AFMUG] OT antimatter
Would their baby be the anti Christ? From: Rory Conaway Sent: Thursday, May 21, 2015 1:33 PM To: af@afmug.com Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT antimatter It would probably cause global warming because all the water would instantly evaporate from the intense heat. MSNBC would then blame it on Fox News. Rory From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Chuck McCown Sent: Thursday, May 21, 2015 12:29 PM To: af@afmug.com Subject: [AFMUG] OT antimatter If you put Rachel Maddow and Bill O’Reilly in a hot tub together naked, would a wormhole appear?
Re: [AFMUG] vivint
Bret Westwood Vice President of Network Deployment Greater Salt Lake City AreaInternet Current Vivint Previous JAB Wireless, Inc., Digis Networks, Wavepoint Networks Regards, Chuck On Thu, May 21, 2015 at 4:23 PM, Ken Hohhof af...@kwisp.com wrote: I thought Bret Westwood left JAB/Digis and went to Vivint, but apparently I’m mistaken or misinformed. *From:* Brett A Mansfield li...@silverlakeinternet.com *Sent:* Thursday, May 21, 2015 2:33 PM *To:* af@afmug.com *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] vivint Haha, funny you mention that! Their recently former COO is now one of my customers. He was the Chief Ops Officer specifically for Vivint Wireless. Thank you, Brett A Mansfield On May 21, 2015, at 1:26 PM, Chuck McCown ch...@wbmfg.com wrote: 5 GHz with FSK doesn’t even penetrate walls and vegetation. Be interesting to see what happens to their chief technology officer when the truth begins to filter up to the C level. *From:* Rory Conaway r...@triadwireless.net *Sent:* Thursday, May 21, 2015 1:23 PM *To:* af@afmug.com *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] vivint Vivint is also relaying through their internal/half-duplex routers to avoid putting antennas on the roof. That was their original idea. They are finding out that most people need outdoor installations. For some reason, 5GHz with 256QAM doesn’t penetrated outside walls and vegetation. That’s a handy piece of information to have when you are planning to spend tens of millions of dollars. Rory *From:* Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com af-boun...@afmug.com] *On Behalf Of *Brett A Mansfield *Sent:* Thursday, May 21, 2015 12:20 PM *To:* af@afmug.com *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] vivint I have several customers on 3.65 links, so vivint doesn't interfere with their signal. But I had one of these customers call me a week ago and tell me they are having massive buffer issues. When I went to check it out I saw that Vivint had put up a hub home right next door. My customer said it went up two days before and that is when they started having their issue. So Vivint is causing so much interference in the 5GHz area that people's home routers aren't even working. I gave her a 2.4GHz router and she is happy now. So, even if you get the 50Mb to your Vivint device, you won't be able to use it over your wireless network in 5GHz. Thank you, Brett A Mansfield On May 21, 2015, at 1:08 PM, Rory Conaway r...@triadwireless.net wrote: Vivint is kind of the worst of every idea. They spend a boatload on licensed spectrum, an excessive amount on backhaul radios and co-location costs, all of which requires a high-density of users. Then they deploy a non-TDMA mesh protocol so that when the density starts to increase, they cause their own interference. The 5GHz technology they are deploying can’t support the density they need to make this profitable. Then when connections don’t work, they deploy hacked together flat-panels to make the connection which then causes problems for other users because the flat-panel is too directional. I’m really not sure who is designing this but it reminds me of the EarthLink mesh deployments. What I can’t figure out is how that design gets past a technical and financial review. This is a multi-billion dollar, international company. Somebody should have figured out that there weren’t going to get 50Mbps through a mesh system consistently with vegetation and that the costs weren’t going to be in line with the revenue/density. Rory *From:* Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com af-boun...@afmug.com] *On Behalf Of *Joe Falaschi *Sent:* Thursday, May 21, 2015 11:51 AM *To:* af@afmug.com *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] vivint I heard they were using this in 28GHz for BH to their micro sites: http://cbnl.com/vectastar-gigabit-highlights Joe Falaschi e-vergent On May 21, 2015, at 1:29 PM, Sterling Jacobson wrote: I think they are sometimes 5Ghz and sometimes something else on the houses. The backhauls appear to be the unlicensed SAF 20+GHZ stuff to nearby drops. Most of those in Saratoga Springs are connected to CentraCom Fiber at the schools etc. And they are doing 50Mbps for $50 or $60 depending on who you talk to. So maybe they outperform DirectCom now, but when you guys get more fiber and for a better price they will switch. We took over quite a few in some neighborhoods already. *From:* Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com af-boun...@afmug.com] *On Behalf Of *Chuck McCown *Sent:* Thursday, May 21, 2015 12:20 PM *To:* af@afmug.com *Subject:* [AFMUG] vivint Anyone know if the APs are 5.8 GHz? I saw one going in today. Fed with a backhaul with a 2 foot dish. Couldn’t get close enough to see if it was licensed or not. The AP antennas look like little whips. At roof top. In a very heavy tree’d neighborhood. With trees taller than the houses. With a bunch of other WISPs in the area... And I just rolled fiber down that
Re: [AFMUG] vivint
I'm geographically far from Vivint but just the things I've been reading make it seem like a too much money not enough engineering business. But they're making so much money in other areas that they don't need to care. On May 21, 2015 2:08 PM, Rory Conaway r...@triadwireless.net wrote: Vivint is kind of the worst of every idea. They spend a boatload on licensed spectrum, an excessive amount on backhaul radios and co-location costs, all of which requires a high-density of users. Then they deploy a non-TDMA mesh protocol so that when the density starts to increase, they cause their own interference. The 5GHz technology they are deploying can’t support the density they need to make this profitable. Then when connections don’t work, they deploy hacked together flat-panels to make the connection which then causes problems for other users because the flat-panel is too directional. I’m really not sure who is designing this but it reminds me of the EarthLink mesh deployments. What I can’t figure out is how that design gets past a technical and financial review. This is a multi-billion dollar, international company. Somebody should have figured out that there weren’t going to get 50Mbps through a mesh system consistently with vegetation and that the costs weren’t going to be in line with the revenue/density. Rory *From:* Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] *On Behalf Of *Joe Falaschi *Sent:* Thursday, May 21, 2015 11:51 AM *To:* af@afmug.com *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] vivint I heard they were using this in 28GHz for BH to their micro sites: http://cbnl.com/vectastar-gigabit-highlights Joe Falaschi e-vergent On May 21, 2015, at 1:29 PM, Sterling Jacobson wrote: I think they are sometimes 5Ghz and sometimes something else on the houses. The backhauls appear to be the unlicensed SAF 20+GHZ stuff to nearby drops. Most of those in Saratoga Springs are connected to CentraCom Fiber at the schools etc. And they are doing 50Mbps for $50 or $60 depending on who you talk to. So maybe they outperform DirectCom now, but when you guys get more fiber and for a better price they will switch. We took over quite a few in some neighborhoods already. *From:* Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com af-boun...@afmug.com] *On Behalf Of *Chuck McCown *Sent:* Thursday, May 21, 2015 12:20 PM *To:* af@afmug.com *Subject:* [AFMUG] vivint Anyone know if the APs are 5.8 GHz? I saw one going in today. Fed with a backhaul with a 2 foot dish. Couldn’t get close enough to see if it was licensed or not. The AP antennas look like little whips. At roof top. In a very heavy tree’d neighborhood. With trees taller than the houses. With a bunch of other WISPs in the area... And I just rolled fiber down that street. Wonder who will win in the end?
Re: [AFMUG] vivint
Throw money at it until it works!@ On May 21, 2015 1:13:57 PM AKDT, Chuck Hogg ch...@shelbybb.com wrote: I don't know about that...they are heavily invested in technology, Quantenna for example, just like Mimosa is. Regards, Chuck On Thu, May 21, 2015 at 4:49 PM, Colin Stanners cstann...@gmail.com wrote: I'm geographically far from Vivint but just the things I've been reading make it seem like a too much money not enough engineering business. But they're making so much money in other areas that they don't need to care. On May 21, 2015 2:08 PM, Rory Conaway r...@triadwireless.net wrote: Vivint is kind of the worst of every idea. They spend a boatload on licensed spectrum, an excessive amount on backhaul radios and co-location costs, all of which requires a high-density of users. Then they deploy a non-TDMA mesh protocol so that when the density starts to increase, they cause their own interference. The 5GHz technology they are deploying can’t support the density they need to make this profitable. Then when connections don’t work, they deploy hacked together flat-panels to make the connection which then causes problems for other users because the flat-panel is too directional. I’m really not sure who is designing this but it reminds me of the EarthLink mesh deployments. What I can’t figure out is how that design gets past a technical and financial review. This is a multi-billion dollar, international company. Somebody should have figured out that there weren’t going to get 50Mbps through a mesh system consistently with vegetation and that the costs weren’t going to be in line with the revenue/density. Rory *From:* Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] *On Behalf Of *Joe Falaschi *Sent:* Thursday, May 21, 2015 11:51 AM *To:* af@afmug.com *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] vivint I heard they were using this in 28GHz for BH to their micro sites: http://cbnl.com/vectastar-gigabit-highlights Joe Falaschi e-vergent On May 21, 2015, at 1:29 PM, Sterling Jacobson wrote: I think they are sometimes 5Ghz and sometimes something else on the houses. The backhauls appear to be the unlicensed SAF 20+GHZ stuff to nearby drops. Most of those in Saratoga Springs are connected to CentraCom Fiber at the schools etc. And they are doing 50Mbps for $50 or $60 depending on who you talk to. So maybe they outperform DirectCom now, but when you guys get more fiber and for a better price they will switch. We took over quite a few in some neighborhoods already. *From:* Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com af-boun...@afmug.com] *On Behalf Of *Chuck McCown *Sent:* Thursday, May 21, 2015 12:20 PM *To:* af@afmug.com *Subject:* [AFMUG] vivint Anyone know if the APs are 5.8 GHz? I saw one going in today. Fed with a backhaul with a 2 foot dish. Couldn’t get close enough to see if it was licensed or not. The AP antennas look like little whips. At roof top. In a very heavy tree’d neighborhood. With trees taller than the houses. With a bunch of other WISPs in the area... And I just rolled fiber down that street. Wonder who will win in the end? -- Sent from my Android device with K-9 Mail. Please excuse my brevity.
Re: [AFMUG] 3P-36 Sector Antenna Mount with 3 36” Masts
I am sure the vibes are being felt throughout the universe. From: Josh Luthman Sent: Thursday, May 21, 2015 1:49 PM To: af@afmug.com Subject: Re: [AFMUG]3P-36 Sector Antenna Mount with 3 36” Masts I'm surprised Chuck didn't slap you with an MTOWP for that one, though. Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373 On Thu, May 21, 2015 at 3:48 PM, David dmilho...@wletc.com wrote: See my last post Those are 450AP 5Ghz 120deg KP antennas On 05/21/2015 01:06 PM, Sean Heskett wrote: I think a pic showing it with antennas installed would help show how it works. I'll dig around and see if I have any good pics or video of one in service. -sean On Thursday, May 21, 2015, Chuck McCown ch...@wbmfg.com wrote: What part of the picture is misleading? Hard to photograph that thing and give you a good idea of what it is. Maybe if I just laid it on the floor on a white sheet of paper? From: Josh Luthman Sent: Thursday, May 21, 2015 7:30 AM To: af@afmug.com Subject: Re: [AFMUG]3P-36 Sector Antenna Mount with 3 36” Masts Honestly just a better picture would be way easier. The picture there is visually misleading. Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373 On May 21, 2015 9:29 AM, Chuck McCown ch...@wbmfg.com wrote: Yes, attaches to one pipe and gives you 3 3’ mounting pipes. Or you can put two of them back to back for 6 mounts. I will work on the drawing etc. The website is my least favorite thing to work on. Thanks for the heads up about the broken image. From: Josh Luthman Sent: Wednesday, May 20, 2015 10:18 PM To: af@afmug.com Subject: [AFMUG] 3P-36 Sector Antenna Mount with 3 36” Masts http://wbmfg.com/products.cfm?PID=72 I want to be clear on what this is. The picture is very confusing to me and of course it's the one of few products without a mechanical drawing =( Does this attach to one pipe and give you three 3' poles? Like a triple MTOWP? PS: data sheet has a broken image Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373
Re: [AFMUG] vivint
I thought Bret Westwood left JAB/Digis and went to Vivint, but apparently I’m mistaken or misinformed. From: Brett A Mansfield Sent: Thursday, May 21, 2015 2:33 PM To: af@afmug.com Subject: Re: [AFMUG] vivint Haha, funny you mention that! Their recently former COO is now one of my customers. He was the Chief Ops Officer specifically for Vivint Wireless. Thank you, Brett A Mansfield On May 21, 2015, at 1:26 PM, Chuck McCown ch...@wbmfg.com wrote: 5 GHz with FSK doesn’t even penetrate walls and vegetation. Be interesting to see what happens to their chief technology officer when the truth begins to filter up to the C level. From: Rory Conaway Sent: Thursday, May 21, 2015 1:23 PM To: af@afmug.com Subject: Re: [AFMUG] vivint Vivint is also relaying through their internal/half-duplex routers to avoid putting antennas on the roof. That was their original idea. They are finding out that most people need outdoor installations. For some reason, 5GHz with 256QAM doesn’t penetrated outside walls and vegetation. That’s a handy piece of information to have when you are planning to spend tens of millions of dollars. Rory From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Brett A Mansfield Sent: Thursday, May 21, 2015 12:20 PM To: af@afmug.com Subject: Re: [AFMUG] vivint I have several customers on 3.65 links, so vivint doesn't interfere with their signal. But I had one of these customers call me a week ago and tell me they are having massive buffer issues. When I went to check it out I saw that Vivint had put up a hub home right next door. My customer said it went up two days before and that is when they started having their issue. So Vivint is causing so much interference in the 5GHz area that people's home routers aren't even working. I gave her a 2.4GHz router and she is happy now. So, even if you get the 50Mb to your Vivint device, you won't be able to use it over your wireless network in 5GHz. Thank you, Brett A Mansfield On May 21, 2015, at 1:08 PM, Rory Conaway r...@triadwireless.net wrote: Vivint is kind of the worst of every idea. They spend a boatload on licensed spectrum, an excessive amount on backhaul radios and co-location costs, all of which requires a high-density of users. Then they deploy a non-TDMA mesh protocol so that when the density starts to increase, they cause their own interference. The 5GHz technology they are deploying can’t support the density they need to make this profitable. Then when connections don’t work, they deploy hacked together flat-panels to make the connection which then causes problems for other users because the flat-panel is too directional. I’m really not sure who is designing this but it reminds me of the EarthLink mesh deployments. What I can’t figure out is how that design gets past a technical and financial review. This is a multi-billion dollar, international company. Somebody should have figured out that there weren’t going to get 50Mbps through a mesh system consistently with vegetation and that the costs weren’t going to be in line with the revenue/density. Rory From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Joe Falaschi Sent: Thursday, May 21, 2015 11:51 AM To: af@afmug.com Subject: Re: [AFMUG] vivint I heard they were using this in 28GHz for BH to their micro sites: http://cbnl.com/vectastar-gigabit-highlights Joe Falaschi e-vergent On May 21, 2015, at 1:29 PM, Sterling Jacobson wrote: I think they are sometimes 5Ghz and sometimes something else on the houses. The backhauls appear to be the unlicensed SAF 20+GHZ stuff to nearby drops. Most of those in Saratoga Springs are connected to CentraCom Fiber at the schools etc. And they are doing 50Mbps for $50 or $60 depending on who you talk to. So maybe they outperform DirectCom now, but when you guys get more fiber and for a better price they will switch. We took over quite a few in some neighborhoods already. From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Chuck McCown Sent: Thursday, May 21, 2015 12:20 PM To: af@afmug.com Subject: [AFMUG] vivint Anyone know if the APs are 5.8 GHz? I saw one going in today. Fed with a backhaul with a 2 foot dish. Couldn’t get close enough to see if it was licensed or not. The AP antennas look like little whips. At roof top. In a very heavy tree’d neighborhood. With trees taller than the houses. With a bunch of other WISPs in the area... And I just rolled fiber down that street. Wonder who will win in the end?
Re: [AFMUG] vivint
I don't know about that...they are heavily invested in technology, Quantenna for example, just like Mimosa is. Regards, Chuck On Thu, May 21, 2015 at 4:49 PM, Colin Stanners cstann...@gmail.com wrote: I'm geographically far from Vivint but just the things I've been reading make it seem like a too much money not enough engineering business. But they're making so much money in other areas that they don't need to care. On May 21, 2015 2:08 PM, Rory Conaway r...@triadwireless.net wrote: Vivint is kind of the worst of every idea. They spend a boatload on licensed spectrum, an excessive amount on backhaul radios and co-location costs, all of which requires a high-density of users. Then they deploy a non-TDMA mesh protocol so that when the density starts to increase, they cause their own interference. The 5GHz technology they are deploying can’t support the density they need to make this profitable. Then when connections don’t work, they deploy hacked together flat-panels to make the connection which then causes problems for other users because the flat-panel is too directional. I’m really not sure who is designing this but it reminds me of the EarthLink mesh deployments. What I can’t figure out is how that design gets past a technical and financial review. This is a multi-billion dollar, international company. Somebody should have figured out that there weren’t going to get 50Mbps through a mesh system consistently with vegetation and that the costs weren’t going to be in line with the revenue/density. Rory *From:* Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] *On Behalf Of *Joe Falaschi *Sent:* Thursday, May 21, 2015 11:51 AM *To:* af@afmug.com *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] vivint I heard they were using this in 28GHz for BH to their micro sites: http://cbnl.com/vectastar-gigabit-highlights Joe Falaschi e-vergent On May 21, 2015, at 1:29 PM, Sterling Jacobson wrote: I think they are sometimes 5Ghz and sometimes something else on the houses. The backhauls appear to be the unlicensed SAF 20+GHZ stuff to nearby drops. Most of those in Saratoga Springs are connected to CentraCom Fiber at the schools etc. And they are doing 50Mbps for $50 or $60 depending on who you talk to. So maybe they outperform DirectCom now, but when you guys get more fiber and for a better price they will switch. We took over quite a few in some neighborhoods already. *From:* Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com af-boun...@afmug.com] *On Behalf Of *Chuck McCown *Sent:* Thursday, May 21, 2015 12:20 PM *To:* af@afmug.com *Subject:* [AFMUG] vivint Anyone know if the APs are 5.8 GHz? I saw one going in today. Fed with a backhaul with a 2 foot dish. Couldn’t get close enough to see if it was licensed or not. The AP antennas look like little whips. At roof top. In a very heavy tree’d neighborhood. With trees taller than the houses. With a bunch of other WISPs in the area... And I just rolled fiber down that street. Wonder who will win in the end?
Re: [AFMUG] vivint
Does this network also carry the alarm system traffic? From: Josh Reynolds Sent: Thursday, May 21, 2015 4:28 PM To: af@afmug.com ; Chuck Hogg Subject: Re: [AFMUG] vivint Throw money at it until it works!@ On May 21, 2015 1:13:57 PM AKDT, Chuck Hogg ch...@shelbybb.com wrote: I don't know about that...they are heavily invested in technology, Quantenna for example, just like Mimosa is. Regards, Chuck On Thu, May 21, 2015 at 4:49 PM, Colin Stanners cstann...@gmail.com wrote: I'm geographically far from Vivint but just the things I've been reading make it seem like a too much money not enough engineering business. But they're making so much money in other areas that they don't need to care. On May 21, 2015 2:08 PM, Rory Conaway r...@triadwireless.net wrote: Vivint is kind of the worst of every idea. They spend a boatload on licensed spectrum, an excessive amount on backhaul radios and co-location costs, all of which requires a high-density of users. Then they deploy a non-TDMA mesh protocol so that when the density starts to increase, they cause their own interference. The 5GHz technology they are deploying can’t support the density they need to make this profitable. Then when connections don’t work, they deploy hacked together flat-panels to make the connection which then causes problems for other users because the flat-panel is too directional. I’m really not sure who is designing this but it reminds me of the EarthLink mesh deployments. What I can’t figure out is how that design gets past a technical and financial review. This is a multi-billion dollar, international company. Somebody should have figured out that there weren’t going to get 50Mbps through a mesh system consistently with vegetation and that the costs weren’t going to be in line with the revenue/density. Rory From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Joe Falaschi Sent: Thursday, May 21, 2015 11:51 AM To: af@afmug.com Subject: Re: [AFMUG] vivint I heard they were using this in 28GHz for BH to their micro sites: http://cbnl.com/vectastar-gigabit-highlights Joe Falaschi e-vergent On May 21, 2015, at 1:29 PM, Sterling Jacobson wrote: I think they are sometimes 5Ghz and sometimes something else on the houses. The backhauls appear to be the unlicensed SAF 20+GHZ stuff to nearby drops. Most of those in Saratoga Springs are connected to CentraCom Fiber at the schools etc. And they are doing 50Mbps for $50 or $60 depending on who you talk to. So maybe they outperform DirectCom now, but when you guys get more fiber and for a better price they will switch. We took over quite a few in some neighborhoods already. From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Chuck McCown Sent: Thursday, May 21, 2015 12:20 PM To: af@afmug.com Subject: [AFMUG] vivint Anyone know if the APs are 5.8 GHz? I saw one going in today. Fed with a backhaul with a 2 foot dish. Couldn’t get close enough to see if it was licensed or not. The AP antennas look like little whips. At roof top. In a very heavy tree’d neighborhood. With trees taller than the houses. With a bunch of other WISPs in the area... And I just rolled fiber down that street. Wonder who will win in the end? -- Sent from my Android device with K-9 Mail. Please excuse my brevity.
Re: [AFMUG] vivint
“recently former” Hmmm. Wonder why... From: Brett A Mansfield Sent: Thursday, May 21, 2015 1:33 PM To: af@afmug.com Subject: Re: [AFMUG] vivint Haha, funny you mention that! Their recently former COO is now one of my customers. He was the Chief Ops Officer specifically for Vivint Wireless. Thank you, Brett A Mansfield On May 21, 2015, at 1:26 PM, Chuck McCown ch...@wbmfg.com wrote: 5 GHz with FSK doesn’t even penetrate walls and vegetation. Be interesting to see what happens to their chief technology officer when the truth begins to filter up to the C level. From: Rory Conaway Sent: Thursday, May 21, 2015 1:23 PM To: af@afmug.com Subject: Re: [AFMUG] vivint Vivint is also relaying through their internal/half-duplex routers to avoid putting antennas on the roof. That was their original idea. They are finding out that most people need outdoor installations. For some reason, 5GHz with 256QAM doesn’t penetrated outside walls and vegetation. That’s a handy piece of information to have when you are planning to spend tens of millions of dollars. Rory From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Brett A Mansfield Sent: Thursday, May 21, 2015 12:20 PM To: af@afmug.com Subject: Re: [AFMUG] vivint I have several customers on 3.65 links, so vivint doesn't interfere with their signal. But I had one of these customers call me a week ago and tell me they are having massive buffer issues. When I went to check it out I saw that Vivint had put up a hub home right next door. My customer said it went up two days before and that is when they started having their issue. So Vivint is causing so much interference in the 5GHz area that people's home routers aren't even working. I gave her a 2.4GHz router and she is happy now. So, even if you get the 50Mb to your Vivint device, you won't be able to use it over your wireless network in 5GHz. Thank you, Brett A Mansfield On May 21, 2015, at 1:08 PM, Rory Conaway r...@triadwireless.net wrote: Vivint is kind of the worst of every idea. They spend a boatload on licensed spectrum, an excessive amount on backhaul radios and co-location costs, all of which requires a high-density of users. Then they deploy a non-TDMA mesh protocol so that when the density starts to increase, they cause their own interference. The 5GHz technology they are deploying can’t support the density they need to make this profitable. Then when connections don’t work, they deploy hacked together flat-panels to make the connection which then causes problems for other users because the flat-panel is too directional. I’m really not sure who is designing this but it reminds me of the EarthLink mesh deployments. What I can’t figure out is how that design gets past a technical and financial review. This is a multi-billion dollar, international company. Somebody should have figured out that there weren’t going to get 50Mbps through a mesh system consistently with vegetation and that the costs weren’t going to be in line with the revenue/density. Rory From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Joe Falaschi Sent: Thursday, May 21, 2015 11:51 AM To: af@afmug.com Subject: Re: [AFMUG] vivint I heard they were using this in 28GHz for BH to their micro sites: http://cbnl.com/vectastar-gigabit-highlights Joe Falaschi e-vergent On May 21, 2015, at 1:29 PM, Sterling Jacobson wrote: I think they are sometimes 5Ghz and sometimes something else on the houses. The backhauls appear to be the unlicensed SAF 20+GHZ stuff to nearby drops. Most of those in Saratoga Springs are connected to CentraCom Fiber at the schools etc. And they are doing 50Mbps for $50 or $60 depending on who you talk to. So maybe they outperform DirectCom now, but when you guys get more fiber and for a better price they will switch. We took over quite a few in some neighborhoods already. From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Chuck McCown Sent: Thursday, May 21, 2015 12:20 PM To: af@afmug.com Subject: [AFMUG] vivint Anyone know if the APs are 5.8 GHz? I saw one going in today. Fed with a backhaul with a 2 foot dish. Couldn’t get close enough to see if it was licensed or not. The AP antennas look like little whips. At roof top. In a very heavy tree’d neighborhood. With trees taller than the houses. With a bunch of other WISPs in the area... And I just rolled fiber down that street. Wonder who will win in the end?
Re: [AFMUG] vivint
Can we get that guy on ISP Radio TODAY to spill the beans on Vivint? I would pay to hear that podcast. From: Brett A Mansfield Sent: Thursday, May 21, 2015 1:33 PM To: af@afmug.com Subject: Re: [AFMUG] vivint Haha, funny you mention that! Their recently former COO is now one of my customers. He was the Chief Ops Officer specifically for Vivint Wireless. Thank you, Brett A Mansfield On May 21, 2015, at 1:26 PM, Chuck McCown ch...@wbmfg.com wrote: 5 GHz with FSK doesn’t even penetrate walls and vegetation. Be interesting to see what happens to their chief technology officer when the truth begins to filter up to the C level. From: Rory Conaway Sent: Thursday, May 21, 2015 1:23 PM To: af@afmug.com Subject: Re: [AFMUG] vivint Vivint is also relaying through their internal/half-duplex routers to avoid putting antennas on the roof. That was their original idea. They are finding out that most people need outdoor installations. For some reason, 5GHz with 256QAM doesn’t penetrated outside walls and vegetation. That’s a handy piece of information to have when you are planning to spend tens of millions of dollars. Rory From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Brett A Mansfield Sent: Thursday, May 21, 2015 12:20 PM To: af@afmug.com Subject: Re: [AFMUG] vivint I have several customers on 3.65 links, so vivint doesn't interfere with their signal. But I had one of these customers call me a week ago and tell me they are having massive buffer issues. When I went to check it out I saw that Vivint had put up a hub home right next door. My customer said it went up two days before and that is when they started having their issue. So Vivint is causing so much interference in the 5GHz area that people's home routers aren't even working. I gave her a 2.4GHz router and she is happy now. So, even if you get the 50Mb to your Vivint device, you won't be able to use it over your wireless network in 5GHz. Thank you, Brett A Mansfield On May 21, 2015, at 1:08 PM, Rory Conaway r...@triadwireless.net wrote: Vivint is kind of the worst of every idea. They spend a boatload on licensed spectrum, an excessive amount on backhaul radios and co-location costs, all of which requires a high-density of users. Then they deploy a non-TDMA mesh protocol so that when the density starts to increase, they cause their own interference. The 5GHz technology they are deploying can’t support the density they need to make this profitable. Then when connections don’t work, they deploy hacked together flat-panels to make the connection which then causes problems for other users because the flat-panel is too directional. I’m really not sure who is designing this but it reminds me of the EarthLink mesh deployments. What I can’t figure out is how that design gets past a technical and financial review. This is a multi-billion dollar, international company. Somebody should have figured out that there weren’t going to get 50Mbps through a mesh system consistently with vegetation and that the costs weren’t going to be in line with the revenue/density. Rory From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Joe Falaschi Sent: Thursday, May 21, 2015 11:51 AM To: af@afmug.com Subject: Re: [AFMUG] vivint I heard they were using this in 28GHz for BH to their micro sites: http://cbnl.com/vectastar-gigabit-highlights Joe Falaschi e-vergent On May 21, 2015, at 1:29 PM, Sterling Jacobson wrote: I think they are sometimes 5Ghz and sometimes something else on the houses. The backhauls appear to be the unlicensed SAF 20+GHZ stuff to nearby drops. Most of those in Saratoga Springs are connected to CentraCom Fiber at the schools etc. And they are doing 50Mbps for $50 or $60 depending on who you talk to. So maybe they outperform DirectCom now, but when you guys get more fiber and for a better price they will switch. We took over quite a few in some neighborhoods already. From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Chuck McCown Sent: Thursday, May 21, 2015 12:20 PM To: af@afmug.com Subject: [AFMUG] vivint Anyone know if the APs are 5.8 GHz? I saw one going in today. Fed with a backhaul with a 2 foot dish. Couldn’t get close enough to see if it was licensed or not. The AP antennas look like little whips. At roof top. In a very heavy tree’d neighborhood. With trees taller than the houses. With a bunch of other WISPs in the area... And I just rolled fiber down that street. Wonder who will win in the end?
Re: [AFMUG] vivint
I was thinking the same thing Rory From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Chuck McCown Sent: Thursday, May 21, 2015 1:06 PM To: af@afmug.com Subject: Re: [AFMUG] vivint Can we get that guy on ISP Radio TODAY to spill the beans on Vivint? I would pay to hear that podcast. From: Brett A Mansfieldmailto:li...@silverlakeinternet.com Sent: Thursday, May 21, 2015 1:33 PM To: af@afmug.commailto:af@afmug.com Subject: Re: [AFMUG] vivint Haha, funny you mention that! Their recently former COO is now one of my customers. He was the Chief Ops Officer specifically for Vivint Wireless. Thank you, Brett A Mansfield On May 21, 2015, at 1:26 PM, Chuck McCown ch...@wbmfg.commailto:ch...@wbmfg.com wrote: 5 GHz with FSK doesn’t even penetrate walls and vegetation. Be interesting to see what happens to their chief technology officer when the truth begins to filter up to the C level. From: Rory Conawaymailto:r...@triadwireless.net Sent: Thursday, May 21, 2015 1:23 PM To: af@afmug.commailto:af@afmug.com Subject: Re: [AFMUG] vivint Vivint is also relaying through their internal/half-duplex routers to avoid putting antennas on the roof. That was their original idea. They are finding out that most people need outdoor installations. For some reason, 5GHz with 256QAM doesn’t penetrated outside walls and vegetation. That’s a handy piece of information to have when you are planning to spend tens of millions of dollars. Rory From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Brett A Mansfield Sent: Thursday, May 21, 2015 12:20 PM To: af@afmug.commailto:af@afmug.com Subject: Re: [AFMUG] vivint I have several customers on 3.65 links, so vivint doesn't interfere with their signal. But I had one of these customers call me a week ago and tell me they are having massive buffer issues. When I went to check it out I saw that Vivint had put up a hub home right next door. My customer said it went up two days before and that is when they started having their issue. So Vivint is causing so much interference in the 5GHz area that people's home routers aren't even working. I gave her a 2.4GHz router and she is happy now. So, even if you get the 50Mb to your Vivint device, you won't be able to use it over your wireless network in 5GHz. Thank you, Brett A Mansfield On May 21, 2015, at 1:08 PM, Rory Conaway r...@triadwireless.netmailto:r...@triadwireless.net wrote: Vivint is kind of the worst of every idea. They spend a boatload on licensed spectrum, an excessive amount on backhaul radios and co-location costs, all of which requires a high-density of users. Then they deploy a non-TDMA mesh protocol so that when the density starts to increase, they cause their own interference. The 5GHz technology they are deploying can’t support the density they need to make this profitable. Then when connections don’t work, they deploy hacked together flat-panels to make the connection which then causes problems for other users because the flat-panel is too directional. I’m really not sure who is designing this but it reminds me of the EarthLink mesh deployments. What I can’t figure out is how that design gets past a technical and financial review. This is a multi-billion dollar, international company. Somebody should have figured out that there weren’t going to get 50Mbps through a mesh system consistently with vegetation and that the costs weren’t going to be in line with the revenue/density. Rory From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Joe Falaschi Sent: Thursday, May 21, 2015 11:51 AM To: af@afmug.commailto:af@afmug.com Subject: Re: [AFMUG] vivint I heard they were using this in 28GHz for BH to their micro sites: http://cbnl.com/vectastar-gigabit-highlights Joe Falaschi e-vergent On May 21, 2015, at 1:29 PM, Sterling Jacobson wrote: I think they are sometimes 5Ghz and sometimes something else on the houses. The backhauls appear to be the unlicensed SAF 20+GHZ stuff to nearby drops. Most of those in Saratoga Springs are connected to CentraCom Fiber at the schools etc. And they are doing 50Mbps for $50 or $60 depending on who you talk to. So maybe they outperform DirectCom now, but when you guys get more fiber and for a better price they will switch. We took over quite a few in some neighborhoods already. From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Chuck McCown Sent: Thursday, May 21, 2015 12:20 PM To: af@afmug.commailto:af@afmug.com Subject: [AFMUG] vivint Anyone know if the APs are 5.8 GHz? I saw one going in today. Fed with a backhaul with a 2 foot dish. Couldn’t get close enough to see if it was licensed or not. The AP antennas look like little whips. At roof top. In a very heavy tree’d neighborhood. With trees taller than the houses. With a bunch of other WISPs in the area... And I just rolled fiber down that street. Wonder who will win in the end?
Re: [AFMUG] WB Optic Dishes and SAF Integra
I have the 3' with 11Ghz feed horn. The link is being replaced with a dual polarity link and I was going to reuse the 3' Optic on a new 18ghz link. Mark On May 20, 2015, at 1:31 PM, Traci tr...@wbmfg.com wrote: Mark, we don't have any 3ft optics in stock. We do have 2ft in stock at a discounted price. On 5/20/2015 11:07 AM, Chuck McCown wrote: Probably not gonna happen. Optic never got much traction in the marketplace so we are kinda soft EOL on Optic stuff. -Original Message- From: Mark Radabaugh Sent: Wednesday, May 20, 2015 10:07 AM To: af@afmug.com Subject: [AFMUG] WB Optic Dishes and SAF Integra Chuck, SAF changed the mounting arrangement on the Integra platform to a different design than the Lumina. I'm considering using a 3' Optic antenna but will need to be able to obtain a 18Ghz feedhorn and have the ability to mount an Integra. The online ordering guide gives an option for SAF but does not mention the specific version yet. Mark
Re: [AFMUG] Voip analog handoff to PBX
I thought Audiocodes was an algorithm or software company. Maybe they have morphed. From: Nate Burke Sent: Thursday, May 21, 2015 9:15 AM To: af@afmug.com Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Voip analog handoff to PBX Has anyone used the Audiocodes MP204? It appears to be close to the Grandstream 4004 (probably off the same assembly line), but isn't Audiocodes a slightly 'better' company? On 5/21/2015 9:02 AM, Chuck McCown wrote: It was pots line powered too. I was quite proud of the circuit. From: Lewis Bergman Sent: Thursday, May 21, 2015 7:59 AM To: af@afmug.com Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Voip analog handoff to PBX I really want to know Chuck...is there anything you have not built? You were on the Apollo team when you were 12 right? On Thu, May 21, 2015 at 8:26 AM, Chuck McCown ch...@wbmfg.com wrote: I once built an amplified headset for a large call center operation. It had an on and off button that would used an attached modem to send the C and D tones to connect and disconnect the call. We were on track to build about 9000 units when they discovered the modems that would be on the line could not generate C D tones arrgh... From: Ken Hohhof Sent: Wednesday, May 20, 2015 5:37 PM To: af@afmug.com Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Voip analog handoff to PBX I don't think anyone even uses the touchtone D button, do you see it on your phone? -Original Message- From: Faisal Imtiaz Sent: Wednesday, May 20, 2015 5:56 PM To: af@afmug.com Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Voip analog handoff to PBX Is it possible that what you are hearing is a beep when another person is calling that line (Call waiting ?) Also, If you don't mind me asking.. Why are you doing pots to sip conversion ? why not just a straight sip trunk ? (i.e. sip origination ) Faisal Imtiaz Snappy Internet Telecom 7266 SW 48 Street Miami, FL 33155 Tel: 305 663 5518 x 232 Help-desk: (305)663-5518 Option 2 or Email: supp...@snappytelecom.net - Original Message - From: Nate Burke n...@blastcomm.com To: Animal Farm af@afmug.com Sent: Wednesday, May 20, 2015 5:24:44 PM Subject: [AFMUG] Voip analog handoff to PBX I'm handing off 4 Analog lines to a PBX via a Grandstream GXW4004, and it's having random cutouts in the audio. The packet stream shows that it's having DTMF Events that are causing the cutouts, DTMF Tone 'D', so Im pretty sure that it's not actually caused by keypresses. I'm guessing something between the ATA and the PBX there's an incompatibility. Is there another box quality wise to do 4 Analog lines before jumping all the way into the Adtran TA904? Maybe something in like the $300 area? Nate
Re: [AFMUG] Voip analog handoff to PBX
AudioCodes has had hardware as long as I can remember, but I haven't been in the telco industry as long. - Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions http://www.ics-il.com Midwest Internet Exchange http://www.midwest-ix.com - Original Message - From: Ken Hohhof af...@kwisp.com To: af@afmug.com Sent: Thursday, May 21, 2015 9:33:31 AM Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Voip analog handoff to PBX I thought Audiocodes was an algorithm or software company. Maybe they have morphed. From: Nate Burke Sent: Thursday, May 21, 2015 9:15 AM To: af@afmug.com Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Voip analog handoff to PBX Has anyone used the Audiocodes MP204? It appears to be close to the Grandstream 4004 (probably off the same assembly line), but isn't Audiocodes a slightly 'better' company? On 5/21/2015 9:02 AM, Chuck McCown wrote: It was pots line powered too. I was quite proud of the circuit. From: Lewis Bergman Sent: Thursday, May 21, 2015 7:59 AM To: af@afmug.com Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Voip analog handoff to PBX I really want to know Chuck...is there anything you have not built? You were on the Apollo team when you were 12 right? On Thu, May 21, 2015 at 8:26 AM, Chuck McCown ch...@wbmfg.com wrote: blockquote I once built an amplified headset for a large call center operation. It had an on and off button that would used an attached modem to send the C and D tones to connect and disconnect the call. We were on track to build about 9000 units when they discovered the modems that would be on the line could not generate C D tones arrgh... From: Ken Hohhof Sent: Wednesday, May 20, 2015 5:37 PM To: af@afmug.com Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Voip analog handoff to PBX I don't think anyone even uses the touchtone D button, do you see it on your phone? 400px-DTMF_keypad_layout_svg -Original Message- From: Faisal Imtiaz Sent: Wednesday, May 20, 2015 5:56 PM To: af@afmug.com Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Voip analog handoff to PBX Is it possible that what you are hearing is a beep when another person is calling that line (Call waiting ?) Also, If you don't mind me asking.. Why are you doing pots to sip conversion ? why not just a straight sip trunk ? (i.e. sip origination ) Faisal Imtiaz Snappy Internet Telecom 7266 SW 48 Street Miami, FL 33155 Tel: 305 663 5518 x 232 Help-desk: (305)663-5518 Option 2 or Email: supp...@snappytelecom.net - Original Message - From: Nate Burke n...@blastcomm.com To: Animal Farm af@afmug.com Sent: Wednesday, May 20, 2015 5:24:44 PM Subject: [AFMUG] Voip analog handoff to PBX I'm handing off 4 Analog lines to a PBX via a Grandstream GXW4004, and it's having random cutouts in the audio. The packet stream shows that it's having DTMF Events that are causing the cutouts, DTMF Tone 'D', so Im pretty sure that it's not actually caused by keypresses. I'm guessing something between the ATA and the PBX there's an incompatibility. Is there another box quality wise to do 4 Analog lines before jumping all the way into the Adtran TA904? Maybe something in like the $300 area? Nate /blockquote
[AFMUG] Flash memory failure on M2 Rocket
After a manual reboot of a Ubiquiti M2 Rocket there was the message flash memory failure There was an option to download a support file but nothing happened when I clicked on it. Is it time to replace a Rocket?
[AFMUG] Source for Sonicwall NSA 2400
If anyone has or knows of a source for a used Sonicwall NSA 2400 at a decent price please contact me off list. Thanks, Steve B.
Re: [AFMUG] mimosa
This is afmug... we say negative stuff about Ubiquiti everyday :P I don't find it hard to believe that the Mimosa is getting a lot better throughput in this particular situation, but it would be really interesting to know how the two compared using the exact same channels probably not actually possible to know at this point, since I'm assuming he had the AF5x on a 50mhz channel, which can't done on a Mimosa. On Thu, May 21, 2015 at 1:10 AM, Rory Conaway r...@triadwireless.net wrote: Don’t have your answer, only the results and the radios are running 40x40, split channels. I do know he doesn’t want to get into a battle with everyone over this issue and I don’t blame him. Mention something negative about Ubiquiti and you get investigated and accused of everything from stealing candy from babies to taking payoffs from multiple sides and trying to short sell the stock. He saw the lies and false accusations I had to go through on SeekingAlpha and he doesn’t want any part of that. Nobody wants the facts, more important to attack the messenger. This gentlemen also has 30 more years in the radio industry than I do so I respect what he says. Rory *From:* Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] *On Behalf Of *Josh Reynolds *Sent:* Wednesday, May 20, 2015 6:52 PM *To:* af@afmug.com *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] mimosa This story doesn't make a bit of sense. There would only be a handful of reasons he couldn't get enough throughput with AF5x radios, but could with a B5. If it's noise, well, the AF5X is going to handle adjacent and co-channel noise better than the B5, given the same channel widths and channel selection. There are certain situations where if everything was perfect and you were using a PAIR of 40MHz channels, that you could pull it off... but given you said it's a busy site, I'm not thinking that's the case. I'd love to learn more about that deployment. Josh Reynolds CIO, SPITwSPOTS www.spitwspots.com On 05/20/2015 05:33 AM, Rory Conaway wrote: I�ve got 10 of them up and they have worked great.� As for mixing it with Cambium gear, that�s a tough one.� Because there is no interoperability with GPS between manufacturers, you have to rely on normal isolation methods.� You probably want to keep them at least 10 apart or more.� On the one tower where I was concerned about the issue and another location where I have a lot of 5GHz radios, Ubiquiti, and others on the same roof, I�m using the Jirous dishes with the built-in shrouds and then using the B5c�s.� I don�t have any comparison to the B5 in that situation, I just planned for the worst case scenario.� I have another colleague that is using the B5c�s with Ubiquiti antennas with Ubiquiti shroud on the same roof because he needed a 34dBi antenna and it�s shooting 32 miles. ��He couldn�t get enough throughput out of the AF5x radios so he swapped to the Mimosa and he is getting 2-3 times more throughput, about 200Mbps. � Rory � *From:* Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com af-boun...@afmug.com] *On Behalf Of *Ryan Mano *Sent:* Wednesday, May 20, 2015 6:20 AM *To:* 'af@afmug.com' *Subject:* [AFMUG] mimosa � Would like to know what your feedback is on the mimosa B5 intergrated�.am looking to try this out and if its ok to mix with cambium gear on the same towers � thanks � �
Re: [AFMUG] How to do a Licensed install for a school
Why didn't they just trench over to the power pole when they dug the hole for the mast?
Re: [AFMUG] 3P-36 Sector Antenna Mount with 3 36” Masts
What part of the picture is misleading? Hard to photograph that thing and give you a good idea of what it is. Maybe if I just laid it on the floor on a white sheet of paper? From: Josh Luthman Sent: Thursday, May 21, 2015 7:30 AM To: af@afmug.com Subject: Re: [AFMUG]3P-36 Sector Antenna Mount with 3 36” Masts Honestly just a better picture would be way easier. The picture there is visually misleading. Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373 On May 21, 2015 9:29 AM, Chuck McCown ch...@wbmfg.com wrote: Yes, attaches to one pipe and gives you 3 3’ mounting pipes. Or you can put two of them back to back for 6 mounts. I will work on the drawing etc. The website is my least favorite thing to work on. Thanks for the heads up about the broken image. From: Josh Luthman Sent: Wednesday, May 20, 2015 10:18 PM To: af@afmug.com Subject: [AFMUG] 3P-36 Sector Antenna Mount with 3 36” Masts http://wbmfg.com/products.cfm?PID=72 I want to be clear on what this is. The picture is very confusing to me and of course it's the one of few products without a mechanical drawing =( Does this attach to one pipe and give you three 3' poles? Like a triple MTOWP? PS: data sheet has a broken image Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373
Re: [AFMUG] mt ospf question
Ok. That’s a way ;-)). Von: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] Im Auftrag von Faisal Imtiaz Gesendet: Donnerstag, 21. Mai 2015 15:52 An: af@afmug.com Betreff: Re: [AFMUG] mt ospf question . Doing this you enable ospf on the interfaces with addresses within x.x.x.x/x. This is not wanted on all edge networks/customer networks. You are absolutely right Stefan, my colleagues failed to mention (assumed), that you should put all your physical interfaces in the OSPF interface and set them up as passive :) Faisal Imtiaz Snappy Internet Telecom 7266 SW 48 Street Miami, FL 33155 Tel: 305 663 5518 x 232 Help-desk: (305)663-5518 Option 2 or Email: supp...@snappytelecom.net mailto:supp...@snappytelecom.net _ From: Stefan Englhardt s...@genias.net mailto:s...@genias.net To: af@afmug.com mailto:af@afmug.com Sent: Thursday, May 21, 2015 9:45:04 AM Subject: Re: [AFMUG] mt ospf question Doing this you enable ospf on the interfaces with addresses within x.x.x.x/x. This is not wanted on all edge networks/customer networks. Von: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] Im Auftrag von Shayne Lebrun Gesendet: Donnerstag, 21. Mai 2015 15:33 An: af@afmug.com mailto:af@afmug.com Betreff: Re: [AFMUG] mt ospf question You tell the router what routes to redistribute, rather than telling the router to redistribute everything that’s there. There’s never a reason not to simply take the extra five seconds to type ‘/routing ospf network add network=x.x.x.x/x area=whatever’. There’s a lot of very good reasons not to, however. From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Stefan Englhardt Sent: Thursday, May 21, 2015 8:16 AM To: af@afmug.com mailto:af@afmug.com Subject: Re: [AFMUG] mt ospf question Looked twice at this. How does your network know the route to a network connected to one of your routers if he does not redistribute this information into ospf? Von: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] Im Auftrag von Dennis Burgess Gesendet: Donnerstag, 21. Mai 2015 14:10 An: af@afmug.com mailto:af@afmug.com Betreff: Re: [AFMUG] mt ospf question There are about 0 times when you should distribute connected, just a FYI. 99% of the time it causes issues with unintended and/or unneeded distribution of routes .. Dennis Burgess, CTO, Link Technologies, Inc. den...@linktechs.net mailto:den...@linktechs.net – 314-735-0270 – www.linktechs.net http://www.linktechs.net From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Gilbert Gutierrez Sent: Wednesday, May 20, 2015 3:47 PM To: af@afmug.com mailto:af@afmug.com Subject: Re: [AFMUG] mt ospf question Are you redistributing Connected? If the /30 is not on the networks tab, then you will need to redistribute connected routes. If you add static routes pointing to places you will want to redistribute static routes as well. Gilbert On 5/20/2015 1:03 PM, That One Guy /sarcasm wrote: So I have this here mikrotik Ive been implementing ospf on Right now because this is transition, all MT ports hit the same switch Eth6 is on a /30 that is going to a powercode BMU thats distributing the default route, it works fine Eth2 is on a /30 that is going to a fortigate, it works fine the routes propagate as they should I initially tried to add another /30 to Eth2 for a second fortigate, but it wouldnt let me add the netwok so I put that /30 on eth3 it comes up in a state designated router I moved it to eth4, same thing designated router the other two that are working have said backup all along is there something about adding a third ospf interface to mikrotik i need to know here? -- If you only see yourself as part of the team but you don't see your team as part of yourself you have already failed as part of the team.
Re: [AFMUG] 3P-36 Sector Antenna Mount with 3 36” Masts
Honestly just a better picture would be way easier. The picture there is visually misleading. Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373 On May 21, 2015 9:29 AM, Chuck McCown ch...@wbmfg.com wrote: Yes, attaches to one pipe and gives you 3 3’ mounting pipes. Or you can put two of them back to back for 6 mounts. I will work on the drawing etc. The website is my least favorite thing to work on. Thanks for the heads up about the broken image. *From:* Josh Luthman j...@imaginenetworksllc.com *Sent:* Wednesday, May 20, 2015 10:18 PM *To:* af@afmug.com *Subject:* [AFMUG] 3P-36 Sector Antenna Mount with 3 36” Masts http://wbmfg.com/products.cfm?PID=72 I want to be clear on what this is. The picture is very confusing to me and of course it's the one of few products without a mechanical drawing =( Does this attach to one pipe and give you three 3' poles? Like a triple MTOWP? PS: data sheet has a broken image Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373
Re: [AFMUG] 3P-36 Sector Antenna Mount with 3 36” Masts
2 foot sectors?? Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373 On May 21, 2015 9:21 AM, Sean Heskett af...@zirkel.us wrote: Yes I always order the 48 version tho because you can stack 2 APs vertically on each pole giving you 6 APs per side. -sean On Wednesday, May 20, 2015, Josh Luthman j...@imaginenetworksllc.com wrote: http://wbmfg.com/products.cfm?PID=72 I want to be clear on what this is. The picture is very confusing to me and of course it's the one of few products without a mechanical drawing =( Does this attach to one pipe and give you three 3' poles? Like a triple MTOWP? PS: data sheet has a broken image Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373
Re: [AFMUG] How to do a Licensed install for a school
Yeah. Give the cows a little more room there...
bp
part15sbs{at}gmail{dot}com
On 5/21/2015 6:36 AM, Chuck McCown wrote:
I note they added a guy wire from the street view view...
Wait until the cows do a little bit of rubbing.
*From:* Chuck Hogg mailto:ch...@shelbybb.com
*Sent:* Thursday, May 21, 2015 6:15 AM
*To:* af@afmug.com mailto:af@afmug.com
*Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] How to do a Licensed install for a school
Coordinates are really 35.665870, -118.290037
Regards,
Chuck
On Thu, May 21, 2015 at 8:08 AM, David Milholen dmilho...@wletc.com
mailto:dmilho...@wletc.com wrote:
Uhh yeah Bueller, Bueller, Bueller :)
I really appreciate the fact they used ALL of the cable
On 5/21/2015 6:46 AM, Chuck Hogg wrote:
Not my link, posted on FB
Inline image 1Inline image 3Inline image 2
South Fork Elementary School located across the road in Weldon, CA
Coordinates are 35 39' 56.6 and 118 17' 24.0
Regards,
Chuck
--
Re: [AFMUG] 3P-36 Sector Antenna Mount with 3 36” Masts
There's more than 3 poles. I saw the real one so I was thinking what it should look like and the picture didn't match that. Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373 On May 21, 2015 9:38 AM, Chuck McCown ch...@wbmfg.com wrote: What part of the picture is misleading? Hard to photograph that thing and give you a good idea of what it is. Maybe if I just laid it on the floor on a white sheet of paper? *From:* Josh Luthman j...@imaginenetworksllc.com *Sent:* Thursday, May 21, 2015 7:30 AM *To:* af@afmug.com *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG]3P-36 Sector Antenna Mount with 3 36” Masts Honestly just a better picture would be way easier. The picture there is visually misleading. Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373 On May 21, 2015 9:29 AM, Chuck McCown ch...@wbmfg.com wrote: Yes, attaches to one pipe and gives you 3 3’ mounting pipes. Or you can put two of them back to back for 6 mounts. I will work on the drawing etc. The website is my least favorite thing to work on. Thanks for the heads up about the broken image. *From:* Josh Luthman j...@imaginenetworksllc.com *Sent:* Wednesday, May 20, 2015 10:18 PM *To:* af@afmug.com *Subject:* [AFMUG] 3P-36 Sector Antenna Mount with 3 36” Masts http://wbmfg.com/products.cfm?PID=72 I want to be clear on what this is. The picture is very confusing to me and of course it's the one of few products without a mechanical drawing =( Does this attach to one pipe and give you three 3' poles? Like a triple MTOWP? PS: data sheet has a broken image Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373
Re: [AFMUG] mt ospf question
. Doing this you enable ospf on the interfaces with addresses within x.x.x.x/x. This is not wanted on all edge networks/customer networks. You are absolutely right Stefan, my colleagues failed to mention (assumed), that you should put all your physical interfaces in the OSPF interface and set them up as passive :) Faisal Imtiaz Snappy Internet Telecom 7266 SW 48 Street Miami, FL 33155 Tel: 305 663 5518 x 232 Help-desk: (305)663-5518 Option 2 or Email: supp...@snappytelecom.net - Original Message - From: Stefan Englhardt s...@genias.net To: af@afmug.com Sent: Thursday, May 21, 2015 9:45:04 AM Subject: Re: [AFMUG] mt ospf question Doing this you enable ospf on the interfaces with addresses within x.x.x.x/x. This is not wanted on all edge networks/customer networks. Von: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] Im Auftrag von Shayne Lebrun Gesendet: Donnerstag, 21. Mai 2015 15:33 An: af@afmug.com Betreff: Re: [AFMUG] mt ospf question You tell the router what routes to redistribute, rather than telling the router to redistribute everything that’s there. There’s never a reason not to simply take the extra five seconds to type ‘/routing ospf network add network=x.x.x.x/x area=whatever’. There’s a lot of very good reasons not to, however. From: Af [ mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com ] On Behalf Of Stefan Englhardt Sent: Thursday, May 21, 2015 8:16 AM To: af@afmug.com Subject: Re: [AFMUG] mt ospf question Looked twice at this. How does your network know the route to a network connected to one of your routers if he does not redistribute this information into ospf? Von: Af [ mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com ] Im Auftrag von Dennis Burgess Gesendet: Donnerstag, 21. Mai 2015 14:10 An: af@afmug.com Betreff: Re: [AFMUG] mt ospf question There are about 0 times when you should distribute connected, just a FYI. 99% of the time it causes issues with unintended and/or unneeded distribution of routes .. Dennis Burgess, CTO, Link Technologies, Inc. den...@linktechs.net – 314-735-0270 – www.linktechs.net From: Af [ mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com ] On Behalf Of Gilbert Gutierrez Sent: Wednesday, May 20, 2015 3:47 PM To: af@afmug.com Subject: Re: [AFMUG] mt ospf question Are you redistributing Connected? If the /30 is not on the networks tab, then you will need to redistribute connected routes. If you add static routes pointing to places you will want to redistribute static routes as well. Gilbert On 5/20/2015 1:03 PM, That One Guy /sarcasm wrote: So I have this here mikrotik Ive been implementing ospf on Right now because this is transition, all MT ports hit the same switch Eth6 is on a /30 that is going to a powercode BMU thats distributing the default route, it works fine Eth2 is on a /30 that is going to a fortigate, it works fine the routes propagate as they should I initially tried to add another /30 to Eth2 for a second fortigate, but it wouldnt let me add the netwok so I put that /30 on eth3 it comes up in a state designated router I moved it to eth4, same thing designated router the other two that are working have said backup all along is there something about adding a third ospf interface to mikrotik i need to know here? -- If you only see yourself as part of the team but you don't see your team as part of yourself you have already failed as part of the team.
Re: [AFMUG] mt ospf question
Basically what they are saying is if you redistribute connected routes you end up throwing a great number of routes into your OSPF table that really don't need to be there. tons of internal route stuff gets there, etc. For example if a router has the below routes on interfaaces the OSPF table looks identical if you redistribute connected, while if only static are listed only the noted route shows up. 69.39.54.1/24 - if static, this is only route distributed via OSPF 10.0.10.0/24 216.34.34.48/27 69.39.28.32/24 10.10.0.25/24 216.34.0.33/32 A lot cleaner if you don't clutter it up and really pretty easy to figure out when it won't route what you want when you first bring it up. On Thu, May 21, 2015 at 8:45 AM, Stefan Englhardt s...@genias.net wrote: Doing this you enable ospf on the interfaces with addresses within x.x.x.x/x. This is not wanted on all edge networks/customer networks. *Von:* Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] *Im Auftrag von *Shayne Lebrun *Gesendet:* Donnerstag, 21. Mai 2015 15:33 *An:* af@afmug.com *Betreff:* Re: [AFMUG] mt ospf question You tell the router what routes to redistribute, rather than telling the router to redistribute everything that’s there. There’s never a reason not to simply take the extra five seconds to type ‘/routing ospf network add network=x.x.x.x/x area=whatever’. There’s a lot of very good reasons not to, however. *From:* Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com af-boun...@afmug.com] *On Behalf Of *Stefan Englhardt *Sent:* Thursday, May 21, 2015 8:16 AM *To:* af@afmug.com *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] mt ospf question Looked twice at this. How does your network know the route to a network connected to one of your routers if he does not redistribute this information into ospf? *Von:* Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com af-boun...@afmug.com] *Im Auftrag von *Dennis Burgess *Gesendet:* Donnerstag, 21. Mai 2015 14:10 *An:* af@afmug.com *Betreff:* Re: [AFMUG] mt ospf question There are about 0 times when you should distribute connected, just a FYI. 99% of the time it causes issues with unintended and/or unneeded distribution of routes .. Dennis Burgess, CTO, Link Technologies, Inc. den...@linktechs.net – 314-735-0270 – www.linktechs.net *From:* Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com af-boun...@afmug.com] *On Behalf Of *Gilbert Gutierrez *Sent:* Wednesday, May 20, 2015 3:47 PM *To:* af@afmug.com *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] mt ospf question Are you redistributing Connected? If the /30 is not on the networks tab, then you will need to redistribute connected routes. If you add static routes pointing to places you will want to redistribute static routes as well. Gilbert On 5/20/2015 1:03 PM, That One Guy /sarcasm wrote: So I have this here mikrotik Ive been implementing ospf on Right now because this is transition, all MT ports hit the same switch Eth6 is on a /30 that is going to a powercode BMU thats distributing the default route, it works fine Eth2 is on a /30 that is going to a fortigate, it works fine the routes propagate as they should I initially tried to add another /30 to Eth2 for a second fortigate, but it wouldnt let me add the netwok so I put that /30 on eth3 it comes up in a state designated router I moved it to eth4, same thing designated router the other two that are working have said backup all along is there something about adding a third ospf interface to mikrotik i need to know here? -- If you only see yourself as part of the team but you don't see your team as part of yourself you have already failed as part of the team.
Re: [AFMUG] Voip analog handoff to PBX
I was at the sound stage. From: Lewis Bergman Sent: Thursday, May 21, 2015 7:59 AM To: af@afmug.com Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Voip analog handoff to PBX I really want to know Chuck...is there anything you have not built? You were on the Apollo team when you were 12 right? On Thu, May 21, 2015 at 8:26 AM, Chuck McCown ch...@wbmfg.com wrote: I once built an amplified headset for a large call center operation. It had an on and off button that would used an attached modem to send the C and D tones to connect and disconnect the call. We were on track to build about 9000 units when they discovered the modems that would be on the line could not generate C D tones arrgh... From: Ken Hohhof Sent: Wednesday, May 20, 2015 5:37 PM To: af@afmug.com Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Voip analog handoff to PBX I don't think anyone even uses the touchtone D button, do you see it on your phone? -Original Message- From: Faisal Imtiaz Sent: Wednesday, May 20, 2015 5:56 PM To: af@afmug.com Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Voip analog handoff to PBX Is it possible that what you are hearing is a beep when another person is calling that line (Call waiting ?) Also, If you don't mind me asking.. Why are you doing pots to sip conversion ? why not just a straight sip trunk ? (i.e. sip origination ) Faisal Imtiaz Snappy Internet Telecom 7266 SW 48 Street Miami, FL 33155 Tel: 305 663 5518 x 232 Help-desk: (305)663-5518 Option 2 or Email: supp...@snappytelecom.net - Original Message - From: Nate Burke n...@blastcomm.com To: Animal Farm af@afmug.com Sent: Wednesday, May 20, 2015 5:24:44 PM Subject: [AFMUG] Voip analog handoff to PBX I'm handing off 4 Analog lines to a PBX via a Grandstream GXW4004, and it's having random cutouts in the audio. The packet stream shows that it's having DTMF Events that are causing the cutouts, DTMF Tone 'D', so Im pretty sure that it's not actually caused by keypresses. I'm guessing something between the ATA and the PBX there's an incompatibility. Is there another box quality wise to do 4 Analog lines before jumping all the way into the Adtran TA904? Maybe something in like the $300 area? Nate
Re: [AFMUG] Voip analog handoff to PBX
It was pots line powered too. I was quite proud of the circuit. From: Lewis Bergman Sent: Thursday, May 21, 2015 7:59 AM To: af@afmug.com Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Voip analog handoff to PBX I really want to know Chuck...is there anything you have not built? You were on the Apollo team when you were 12 right? On Thu, May 21, 2015 at 8:26 AM, Chuck McCown ch...@wbmfg.com wrote: I once built an amplified headset for a large call center operation. It had an on and off button that would used an attached modem to send the C and D tones to connect and disconnect the call. We were on track to build about 9000 units when they discovered the modems that would be on the line could not generate C D tones arrgh... From: Ken Hohhof Sent: Wednesday, May 20, 2015 5:37 PM To: af@afmug.com Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Voip analog handoff to PBX I don't think anyone even uses the touchtone D button, do you see it on your phone? -Original Message- From: Faisal Imtiaz Sent: Wednesday, May 20, 2015 5:56 PM To: af@afmug.com Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Voip analog handoff to PBX Is it possible that what you are hearing is a beep when another person is calling that line (Call waiting ?) Also, If you don't mind me asking.. Why are you doing pots to sip conversion ? why not just a straight sip trunk ? (i.e. sip origination ) Faisal Imtiaz Snappy Internet Telecom 7266 SW 48 Street Miami, FL 33155 Tel: 305 663 5518 x 232 Help-desk: (305)663-5518 Option 2 or Email: supp...@snappytelecom.net - Original Message - From: Nate Burke n...@blastcomm.com To: Animal Farm af@afmug.com Sent: Wednesday, May 20, 2015 5:24:44 PM Subject: [AFMUG] Voip analog handoff to PBX I'm handing off 4 Analog lines to a PBX via a Grandstream GXW4004, and it's having random cutouts in the audio. The packet stream shows that it's having DTMF Events that are causing the cutouts, DTMF Tone 'D', so Im pretty sure that it's not actually caused by keypresses. I'm guessing something between the ATA and the PBX there's an incompatibility. Is there another box quality wise to do 4 Analog lines before jumping all the way into the Adtran TA904? Maybe something in like the $300 area? Nate
Re: [AFMUG] 3P-36 Sector Antenna Mount with 3 36” Masts
Yes, attaches to one pipe and gives you 3 3’ mounting pipes. Or you can put two of them back to back for 6 mounts. I will work on the drawing etc. The website is my least favorite thing to work on. Thanks for the heads up about the broken image. From: Josh Luthman Sent: Wednesday, May 20, 2015 10:18 PM To: af@afmug.com Subject: [AFMUG] 3P-36 Sector Antenna Mount with 3 36” Masts http://wbmfg.com/products.cfm?PID=72 I want to be clear on what this is. The picture is very confusing to me and of course it's the one of few products without a mechanical drawing =( Does this attach to one pipe and give you three 3' poles? Like a triple MTOWP? PS: data sheet has a broken image Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373
Re: [AFMUG] mt ospf question
You tell the router what routes to redistribute, rather than telling the router to redistribute everything that’s there. There’s never a reason not to simply take the extra five seconds to type ‘/routing ospf network add network=x.x.x.x/x area=whatever’. There’s a lot of very good reasons not to, however. From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Stefan Englhardt Sent: Thursday, May 21, 2015 8:16 AM To: af@afmug.com Subject: Re: [AFMUG] mt ospf question Looked twice at this. How does your network know the route to a network connected to one of your routers if he does not redistribute this information into ospf? Von: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] Im Auftrag von Dennis Burgess Gesendet: Donnerstag, 21. Mai 2015 14:10 An: af@afmug.com Betreff: Re: [AFMUG] mt ospf question There are about 0 times when you should distribute connected, just a FYI. 99% of the time it causes issues with unintended and/or unneeded distribution of routes .. Dennis Burgess, CTO, Link Technologies, Inc. den...@linktechs.net – 314-735-0270 – www.linktechs.net From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Gilbert Gutierrez Sent: Wednesday, May 20, 2015 3:47 PM To: af@afmug.com Subject: Re: [AFMUG] mt ospf question Are you redistributing Connected? If the /30 is not on the networks tab, then you will need to redistribute connected routes. If you add static routes pointing to places you will want to redistribute static routes as well. Gilbert On 5/20/2015 1:03 PM, That One Guy /sarcasm wrote: So I have this here mikrotik Ive been implementing ospf on Right now because this is transition, all MT ports hit the same switch Eth6 is on a /30 that is going to a powercode BMU thats distributing the default route, it works fine Eth2 is on a /30 that is going to a fortigate, it works fine the routes propagate as they should I initially tried to add another /30 to Eth2 for a second fortigate, but it wouldnt let me add the netwok so I put that /30 on eth3 it comes up in a state designated router I moved it to eth4, same thing designated router the other two that are working have said backup all along is there something about adding a third ospf interface to mikrotik i need to know here? -- If you only see yourself as part of the team but you don't see your team as part of yourself you have already failed as part of the team.
Re: [AFMUG] 3P-36 Sector Antenna Mount with 3 36” Masts
Maybe he uses MTI? On Thu, May 21, 2015 at 7:30 AM, Josh Luthman j...@imaginenetworksllc.com wrote: 2 foot sectors?? Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373 On May 21, 2015 9:21 AM, Sean Heskett af...@zirkel.us wrote: Yes I always order the 48 version tho because you can stack 2 APs vertically on each pole giving you 6 APs per side. -sean On Wednesday, May 20, 2015, Josh Luthman j...@imaginenetworksllc.com wrote: http://wbmfg.com/products.cfm?PID=72 I want to be clear on what this is. The picture is very confusing to me and of course it's the one of few products without a mechanical drawing =( Does this attach to one pipe and give you three 3' poles? Like a triple MTOWP? PS: data sheet has a broken image Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373
Re: [AFMUG] 3P-36 Sector Antenna Mount with 3 36” Masts
OK, we will see if we can get a photo with just the part itself not mounted on the pipe. From: Josh Luthman Sent: Thursday, May 21, 2015 7:40 AM To: af@afmug.com Subject: Re: [AFMUG]3P-36 Sector Antenna Mount with 3 36” Masts There's more than 3 poles. I saw the real one so I was thinking what it should look like and the picture didn't match that. Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373 On May 21, 2015 9:38 AM, Chuck McCown ch...@wbmfg.com wrote: What part of the picture is misleading? Hard to photograph that thing and give you a good idea of what it is. Maybe if I just laid it on the floor on a white sheet of paper? From: Josh Luthman Sent: Thursday, May 21, 2015 7:30 AM To: af@afmug.com Subject: Re: [AFMUG]3P-36 Sector Antenna Mount with 3 36” Masts Honestly just a better picture would be way easier. The picture there is visually misleading. Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373 On May 21, 2015 9:29 AM, Chuck McCown ch...@wbmfg.com wrote: Yes, attaches to one pipe and gives you 3 3’ mounting pipes. Or you can put two of them back to back for 6 mounts. I will work on the drawing etc. The website is my least favorite thing to work on. Thanks for the heads up about the broken image. From: Josh Luthman Sent: Wednesday, May 20, 2015 10:18 PM To: af@afmug.com Subject: [AFMUG] 3P-36 Sector Antenna Mount with 3 36” Masts http://wbmfg.com/products.cfm?PID=72 I want to be clear on what this is. The picture is very confusing to me and of course it's the one of few products without a mechanical drawing =( Does this attach to one pipe and give you three 3' poles? Like a triple MTOWP? PS: data sheet has a broken image Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373
Re: [AFMUG] mt ospf question
Doing this you enable ospf on the interfaces with addresses within x.x.x.x/x. This is not wanted on all edge networks/customer networks. Von: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] Im Auftrag von Shayne Lebrun Gesendet: Donnerstag, 21. Mai 2015 15:33 An: af@afmug.com Betreff: Re: [AFMUG] mt ospf question You tell the router what routes to redistribute, rather than telling the router to redistribute everything that’s there. There’s never a reason not to simply take the extra five seconds to type ‘/routing ospf network add network=x.x.x.x/x area=whatever’. There’s a lot of very good reasons not to, however. From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Stefan Englhardt Sent: Thursday, May 21, 2015 8:16 AM To: af@afmug.com mailto:af@afmug.com Subject: Re: [AFMUG] mt ospf question Looked twice at this. How does your network know the route to a network connected to one of your routers if he does not redistribute this information into ospf? Von: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] Im Auftrag von Dennis Burgess Gesendet: Donnerstag, 21. Mai 2015 14:10 An: af@afmug.com mailto:af@afmug.com Betreff: Re: [AFMUG] mt ospf question There are about 0 times when you should distribute connected, just a FYI. 99% of the time it causes issues with unintended and/or unneeded distribution of routes .. Dennis Burgess, CTO, Link Technologies, Inc. den...@linktechs.net mailto:den...@linktechs.net – 314-735-0270 – www.linktechs.net http://www.linktechs.net From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Gilbert Gutierrez Sent: Wednesday, May 20, 2015 3:47 PM To: af@afmug.com mailto:af@afmug.com Subject: Re: [AFMUG] mt ospf question Are you redistributing Connected? If the /30 is not on the networks tab, then you will need to redistribute connected routes. If you add static routes pointing to places you will want to redistribute static routes as well. Gilbert On 5/20/2015 1:03 PM, That One Guy /sarcasm wrote: So I have this here mikrotik Ive been implementing ospf on Right now because this is transition, all MT ports hit the same switch Eth6 is on a /30 that is going to a powercode BMU thats distributing the default route, it works fine Eth2 is on a /30 that is going to a fortigate, it works fine the routes propagate as they should I initially tried to add another /30 to Eth2 for a second fortigate, but it wouldnt let me add the netwok so I put that /30 on eth3 it comes up in a state designated router I moved it to eth4, same thing designated router the other two that are working have said backup all along is there something about adding a third ospf interface to mikrotik i need to know here? -- If you only see yourself as part of the team but you don't see your team as part of yourself you have already failed as part of the team.
Re: [AFMUG] 3P-36 Sector Antenna Mount with 3 36” Masts
I'll do it for you. Totally free! My address is below... Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373 On Thu, May 21, 2015 at 9:42 AM, Chuck McCown ch...@wbmfg.com wrote: OK, we will see if we can get a photo with just the part itself not mounted on the pipe. *From:* Josh Luthman j...@imaginenetworksllc.com *Sent:* Thursday, May 21, 2015 7:40 AM *To:* af@afmug.com *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG]3P-36 Sector Antenna Mount with 3 36” Masts There's more than 3 poles. I saw the real one so I was thinking what it should look like and the picture didn't match that. Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373 On May 21, 2015 9:38 AM, Chuck McCown ch...@wbmfg.com wrote: What part of the picture is misleading? Hard to photograph that thing and give you a good idea of what it is. Maybe if I just laid it on the floor on a white sheet of paper? *From:* Josh Luthman j...@imaginenetworksllc.com *Sent:* Thursday, May 21, 2015 7:30 AM *To:* af@afmug.com *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG]3P-36 Sector Antenna Mount with 3 36” Masts Honestly just a better picture would be way easier. The picture there is visually misleading. Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373 On May 21, 2015 9:29 AM, Chuck McCown ch...@wbmfg.com wrote: Yes, attaches to one pipe and gives you 3 3’ mounting pipes. Or you can put two of them back to back for 6 mounts. I will work on the drawing etc. The website is my least favorite thing to work on. Thanks for the heads up about the broken image. *From:* Josh Luthman j...@imaginenetworksllc.com *Sent:* Wednesday, May 20, 2015 10:18 PM *To:* af@afmug.com *Subject:* [AFMUG] 3P-36 Sector Antenna Mount with 3 36” Masts http://wbmfg.com/products.cfm?PID=72 I want to be clear on what this is. The picture is very confusing to me and of course it's the one of few products without a mechanical drawing =( Does this attach to one pipe and give you three 3' poles? Like a triple MTOWP? PS: data sheet has a broken image Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373
Re: [AFMUG] Voip analog handoff to PBX
I really want to know Chuck...is there anything you have not built? You were on the Apollo team when you were 12 right? On Thu, May 21, 2015 at 8:26 AM, Chuck McCown ch...@wbmfg.com wrote: I once built an amplified headset for a large call center operation. It had an on and off button that would used an attached modem to send the C and D tones to connect and disconnect the call. We were on track to build about 9000 units when they discovered the modems that would be on the line could not generate C D tones arrgh... *From:* Ken Hohhof af...@kwisp.com *Sent:* Wednesday, May 20, 2015 5:37 PM *To:* af@afmug.com *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Voip analog handoff to PBX I don't think anyone even uses the touchtone D button, do you see it on your phone? [image: 400px-DTMF_keypad_layout_svg] -Original Message- From: Faisal Imtiaz Sent: Wednesday, May 20, 2015 5:56 PM To: af@afmug.com Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Voip analog handoff to PBX Is it possible that what you are hearing is a beep when another person is calling that line (Call waiting ?) Also, If you don't mind me asking.. Why are you doing pots to sip conversion ? why not just a straight sip trunk ? (i.e. sip origination ) Faisal Imtiaz Snappy Internet Telecom 7266 SW 48 Street Miami, FL 33155 Tel: 305 663 5518 x 232 Help-desk: (305)663-5518 Option 2 or Email: supp...@snappytelecom.net - Original Message - From: Nate Burke n...@blastcomm.com To: Animal Farm af@afmug.com Sent: Wednesday, May 20, 2015 5:24:44 PM Subject: [AFMUG] Voip analog handoff to PBX I'm handing off 4 Analog lines to a PBX via a Grandstream GXW4004, and it's having random cutouts in the audio. The packet stream shows that it's having DTMF Events that are causing the cutouts, DTMF Tone 'D', so Im pretty sure that it's not actually caused by keypresses. I'm guessing something between the ATA and the PBX there's an incompatibility. Is there another box quality wise to do 4 Analog lines before jumping all the way into the Adtran TA904? Maybe something in like the $300 area? Nate
Re: [AFMUG] Voip analog handoff to PBX
I once built an amplified headset for a large call center operation. It had an on and off button that would used an attached modem to send the C and D tones to connect and disconnect the call. We were on track to build about 9000 units when they discovered the modems that would be on the line could not generate C D tones arrgh... From: Ken Hohhof Sent: Wednesday, May 20, 2015 5:37 PM To: af@afmug.com Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Voip analog handoff to PBX I don't think anyone even uses the touchtone D button, do you see it on your phone? -Original Message- From: Faisal Imtiaz Sent: Wednesday, May 20, 2015 5:56 PM To: af@afmug.com Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Voip analog handoff to PBX Is it possible that what you are hearing is a beep when another person is calling that line (Call waiting ?) Also, If you don't mind me asking.. Why are you doing pots to sip conversion ? why not just a straight sip trunk ? (i.e. sip origination ) Faisal Imtiaz Snappy Internet Telecom 7266 SW 48 Street Miami, FL 33155 Tel: 305 663 5518 x 232 Help-desk: (305)663-5518 Option 2 or Email: supp...@snappytelecom.net - Original Message - From: Nate Burke n...@blastcomm.com To: Animal Farm af@afmug.com Sent: Wednesday, May 20, 2015 5:24:44 PM Subject: [AFMUG] Voip analog handoff to PBX I'm handing off 4 Analog lines to a PBX via a Grandstream GXW4004, and it's having random cutouts in the audio. The packet stream shows that it's having DTMF Events that are causing the cutouts, DTMF Tone 'D', so Im pretty sure that it's not actually caused by keypresses. I'm guessing something between the ATA and the PBX there's an incompatibility. Is there another box quality wise to do 4 Analog lines before jumping all the way into the Adtran TA904? Maybe something in like the $300 area? Nate
Re: [AFMUG] 3P-36 Sector Antenna Mount with 3 36” Masts
notice the centre one is missing. We can easily add another when we need to. We have two sites we will be adding the centre unit to. On 05/21/2015 08:40 AM, Josh Luthman wrote: There's more than 3 poles. I saw the real one so I was thinking what it should look like and the picture didn't match that. Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373 On May 21, 2015 9:38 AM, Chuck McCown ch...@wbmfg.com mailto:ch...@wbmfg.com wrote: What part of the picture is misleading? Hard to photograph that thing and give you a good idea of what it is. Maybe if I just laid it on the floor on a white sheet of paper? *From:* Josh Luthman mailto:j...@imaginenetworksllc.com *Sent:* Thursday, May 21, 2015 7:30 AM *To:* af@afmug.com mailto:af@afmug.com *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG]3P-36 Sector Antenna Mount with 3 36” Masts Honestly just a better picture would be way easier. The picture there is visually misleading. Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340 tel:937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343 tel:937-552-2343 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373 On May 21, 2015 9:29 AM, Chuck McCown ch...@wbmfg.com mailto:ch...@wbmfg.com wrote: Yes, attaches to one pipe and gives you 3 3’ mounting pipes. Or you can put two of them back to back for 6 mounts. I will work on the drawing etc. The website is my least favorite thing to work on. Thanks for the heads up about the broken image. *From:* Josh Luthman mailto:j...@imaginenetworksllc.com *Sent:* Wednesday, May 20, 2015 10:18 PM *To:* af@afmug.com mailto:af@afmug.com *Subject:* [AFMUG] 3P-36 Sector Antenna Mount with 3 36” Masts http://wbmfg.com/products.cfm?PID=72 I want to be clear on what this is. The picture is very confusing to me and of course it's the one of few products without a mechanical drawing =( Does this attach to one pipe and give you three 3' poles? Like a triple MTOWP? PS: data sheet has a broken image Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340 tel:937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343 tel:937-552-2343 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373
Re: [AFMUG] Voip analog handoff to PBX
Has anyone used the Audiocodes MP204? It appears to be close to the Grandstream 4004 (probably off the same assembly line), but isn't Audiocodes a slightly 'better' company? On 5/21/2015 9:02 AM, Chuck McCown wrote: It was pots line powered too. I was quite proud of the circuit. *From:* Lewis Bergman mailto:lewis.berg...@gmail.com *Sent:* Thursday, May 21, 2015 7:59 AM *To:* af@afmug.com mailto:af@afmug.com *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Voip analog handoff to PBX I really want to know Chuck...is there anything you have not built? You were on the Apollo team when you were 12 right? On Thu, May 21, 2015 at 8:26 AM, Chuck McCown ch...@wbmfg.com mailto:ch...@wbmfg.com wrote: I once built an amplified headset for a large call center operation. It had an on and off button that would used an attached modem to send the C and D tones to connect and disconnect the call. We were on track to build about 9000 units when they discovered the modems that would be on the line could not generate C D tones arrgh... *From:* Ken Hohhof mailto:af...@kwisp.com *Sent:* Wednesday, May 20, 2015 5:37 PM *To:* af@afmug.com mailto:af@afmug.com *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Voip analog handoff to PBX I don't think anyone even uses the touchtone D button, do you see it on your phone? 400px-DTMF_keypad_layout_svg -Original Message- From: Faisal Imtiaz Sent: Wednesday, May 20, 2015 5:56 PM To: af@afmug.com mailto:af@afmug.com Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Voip analog handoff to PBX Is it possible that what you are hearing is a beep when another person is calling that line (Call waiting ?) Also, If you don't mind me asking.. Why are you doing pots to sip conversion ? why not just a straight sip trunk ? (i.e. sip origination ) Faisal Imtiaz Snappy Internet Telecom 7266 SW 48 Street Miami, FL 33155 Tel: 305 663 5518 x 232 tel:305%20663%205518%20x%20232 Help-desk: (305)663-5518 tel:%28305%29663-5518 Option 2 or Email: supp...@snappytelecom.net - Original Message - From: Nate Burke n...@blastcomm.com mailto:n...@blastcomm.com To: Animal Farm af@afmug.com mailto:af@afmug.com Sent: Wednesday, May 20, 2015 5:24:44 PM Subject: [AFMUG] Voip analog handoff to PBX I'm handing off 4 Analog lines to a PBX via a Grandstream GXW4004, and it's having random cutouts in the audio. The packet stream shows that it's having DTMF Events that are causing the cutouts, DTMF Tone 'D', so Im pretty sure that it's not actually caused by keypresses. I'm guessing something between the ATA and the PBX there's an incompatibility. Is there another box quality wise to do 4 Analog lines before jumping all the way into the Adtran TA904? Maybe something in like the $300 area? Nate
Re: [AFMUG] vivint
At least then it'd work. ;-) - Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions http://www.ics-il.com Midwest Internet Exchange http://www.midwest-ix.com - Original Message - From: Josh Reynolds j...@spitwspots.com To: af@afmug.com, Chuck Hogg ch...@shelbybb.com Sent: Thu, 21 May 2015 16:28:25 -0500 (CDT) Subject: Re: [AFMUG] vivint Throw money at it until it works!@ On May 21, 2015 1:13:57 PM AKDT, Chuck Hogg ch...@shelbybb.com wrote: I don't know about that...they are heavily invested in technology, Quantenna for example, just like Mimosa is. Regards, Chuck On Thu, May 21, 2015 at 4:49 PM, Colin Stanners cstann...@gmail.com wrote: I'm geographically far from Vivint but just the things I've been reading make it seem like a too much money not enough engineering business. But they're making so much money in other areas that they don't need to care. On May 21, 2015 2:08 PM, Rory Conaway r...@triadwireless.net wrote: Vivint is kind of the worst of every idea. They spend a boatload on licensed spectrum, an excessive amount on backhaul radios and co-location costs, all of which requires a high-density of users. Then they deploy a non-TDMA mesh protocol so that when the density starts to increase, they cause their own interference. The 5GHz technology they are deploying can’t support the density they need to make this profitable. Then when connections don’t work, they deploy hacked together flat-panels to make the connection which then causes problems for other users because the flat-panel is too directional. I’m really not sure who is designing this but it reminds me of the EarthLink mesh deployments. What I can’t figure out is how that design gets past a technical and financial review. This is a multi-billion dollar, international company. Somebody should have figured out that there weren’t going to get 50Mbps through a mesh system consistently with vegetation and that the costs weren’t going to be in line with the revenue/density. Rory *From:* Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] *On Behalf Of *Joe Falaschi *Sent:* Thursday, May 21, 2015 11:51 AM *To:* af@afmug.com *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] vivint I heard they were using this in 28GHz for BH to their micro sites: http://cbnl.com/vectastar-gigabit-highlights Joe Falaschi e-vergent On May 21, 2015, at 1:29 PM, Sterling Jacobson wrote: I think they are sometimes 5Ghz and sometimes something else on the houses. The backhauls appear to be the unlicensed SAF 20+GHZ stuff to nearby drops. Most of those in Saratoga Springs are connected to CentraCom Fiber at the schools etc. And they are doing 50Mbps for $50 or $60 depending on who you talk to. So maybe they outperform DirectCom now, but when you guys get more fiber and for a better price they will switch. We took over quite a few in some neighborhoods already. *From:* Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com af-boun...@afmug.com] *On Behalf Of *Chuck McCown *Sent:* Thursday, May 21, 2015 12:20 PM *To:* af@afmug.com *Subject:* [AFMUG] vivint Anyone know if the APs are 5.8 GHz? I saw one going in today. Fed with a backhaul with a 2 foot dish. Couldn’t get close enough to see if it was licensed or not. The AP antennas look like little whips. At roof top. In a very heavy tree’d neighborhood. With trees taller than the houses. With a bunch of other WISPs in the area... And I just rolled fiber down that street. Wonder who will win in the end? -- Sent from my Android device with K-9 Mail. Please excuse my brevity.
Re: [AFMUG] vivint
That’s OK, supposedly LightSquared has lined up Ivan Seidenberg as their new chairman ex-bankruptcy, as well as $1.25 billion in financing. http://www.fiercewireless.com/story/verizons-former-ceo-and-former-fcc-chairman-push-lightsquareds-case-directl/2015-05-20 I suppose by chairman they mean chairman of the board, not CEO? I thought Seidenberg was smarter than your average Baby Bell CEO, but what’s he doing with this zombie that refuses to stay dead? From: Sterling Jacobson Sent: Thursday, May 21, 2015 5:34 PM To: af@afmug.com Subject: Re: [AFMUG] vivint Who was that? I think Brett and Dean went over? Did Dean leave? They tried to head hunt me for that position in 2013, but I was under non-compete with the sale of Rapidwave. Instead they got Roger Timmerman. https://www.linkedin.com/in/rogertimmerman It’s a joke, right? They got the guy who worked on the failed iProvo Fiber project, that then went to become CTO of the (arguably) failed Utopia Utah fiber project and put him in charge of a (arguably) failure of a wireless system. Makes me laugh. But I hear he’s making at Vivint, so I guess who’s the one laughing? From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Brett A Mansfield Sent: Thursday, May 21, 2015 1:33 PM To: af@afmug.com Subject: Re: [AFMUG] vivint Haha, funny you mention that! Their recently former COO is now one of my customers. He was the Chief Ops Officer specifically for Vivint Wireless. Thank you, Brett A Mansfield On May 21, 2015, at 1:26 PM, Chuck McCown ch...@wbmfg.com wrote: 5 GHz with FSK doesn’t even penetrate walls and vegetation. Be interesting to see what happens to their chief technology officer when the truth begins to filter up to the C level. From: Rory Conaway Sent: Thursday, May 21, 2015 1:23 PM To: af@afmug.com Subject: Re: [AFMUG] vivint Vivint is also relaying through their internal/half-duplex routers to avoid putting antennas on the roof. That was their original idea. They are finding out that most people need outdoor installations. For some reason, 5GHz with 256QAM doesn’t penetrated outside walls and vegetation. That’s a handy piece of information to have when you are planning to spend tens of millions of dollars. Rory From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Brett A Mansfield Sent: Thursday, May 21, 2015 12:20 PM To: af@afmug.com Subject: Re: [AFMUG] vivint I have several customers on 3.65 links, so vivint doesn't interfere with their signal. But I had one of these customers call me a week ago and tell me they are having massive buffer issues. When I went to check it out I saw that Vivint had put up a hub home right next door. My customer said it went up two days before and that is when they started having their issue. So Vivint is causing so much interference in the 5GHz area that people's home routers aren't even working. I gave her a 2.4GHz router and she is happy now. So, even if you get the 50Mb to your Vivint device, you won't be able to use it over your wireless network in 5GHz. Thank you, Brett A Mansfield On May 21, 2015, at 1:08 PM, Rory Conaway r...@triadwireless.net wrote: Vivint is kind of the worst of every idea. They spend a boatload on licensed spectrum, an excessive amount on backhaul radios and co-location costs, all of which requires a high-density of users. Then they deploy a non-TDMA mesh protocol so that when the density starts to increase, they cause their own interference. The 5GHz technology they are deploying can’t support the density they need to make this profitable. Then when connections don’t work, they deploy hacked together flat-panels to make the connection which then causes problems for other users because the flat-panel is too directional. I’m really not sure who is designing this but it reminds me of the EarthLink mesh deployments. What I can’t figure out is how that design gets past a technical and financial review. This is a multi-billion dollar, international company. Somebody should have figured out that there weren’t going to get 50Mbps through a mesh system consistently with vegetation and that the costs weren’t going to be in line with the revenue/density. Rory From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Joe Falaschi Sent: Thursday, May 21, 2015 11:51 AM To: af@afmug.com Subject: Re: [AFMUG] vivint I heard they were using this in 28GHz for BH to their micro sites: http://cbnl.com/vectastar-gigabit-highlights Joe Falaschi e-vergent On May 21, 2015, at 1:29 PM, Sterling Jacobson wrote: I think they are sometimes 5Ghz and sometimes something else on the houses. The backhauls appear to be the unlicensed SAF 20+GHZ stuff to nearby drops. Most of those in
Re: [AFMUG] OT antimatter
The anti economy On May 21, 2015 3:03 PM, Chuck McCown ch...@wbmfg.com wrote: Would their baby be the anti Christ? *From:* Rory Conaway r...@triadwireless.net *Sent:* Thursday, May 21, 2015 1:33 PM *To:* af@afmug.com *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] OT antimatter It would probably cause global warming because all the water would instantly evaporate from the intense heat. MSNBC would then blame it on Fox News. Rory *From:* Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] *On Behalf Of *Chuck McCown *Sent:* Thursday, May 21, 2015 12:29 PM *To:* af@afmug.com *Subject:* [AFMUG] OT antimatter If you put Rachel Maddow and Bill O’Reilly in a hot tub together naked, would a wormhole appear?
Re: [AFMUG] OT antimatter
Well I think Bill would try to beat Rachel and drag her by neck but she would kick his ass. GOP friend of mine called Hillary a dike...I said he was probably right because her dick was bigger than the 2000 or so GOP presidential candidates, she looked better in pants, and would beat them in the cage. Lol Jaime Solorza On May 21, 2015 2:03 PM, Chuck McCown ch...@wbmfg.com wrote: Would their baby be the anti Christ? *From:* Rory Conaway r...@triadwireless.net *Sent:* Thursday, May 21, 2015 1:33 PM *To:* af@afmug.com *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] OT antimatter It would probably cause global warming because all the water would instantly evaporate from the intense heat. MSNBC would then blame it on Fox News. Rory *From:* Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] *On Behalf Of *Chuck McCown *Sent:* Thursday, May 21, 2015 12:29 PM *To:* af@afmug.com *Subject:* [AFMUG] OT antimatter If you put Rachel Maddow and Bill O’Reilly in a hot tub together naked, would a wormhole appear?
Re: [AFMUG] 411 on Fastback Networks
Ceo and engineer said 5 and 8 miles depending on model
Jaime Solorza
On May 21, 2015 5:35 PM, Bill Prince part15...@gmail.com wrote:
They actually only list them as 5km. on their web site.
bp
part15sbs{at}gmail{dot}com
On 5/21/2015 3:56 PM, Jaime Solorza wrote:
Very noisy and wide beam antennas.Link is probably 5 miles or less.
Saw their signature on SA at trade show earlier this year
Usually used by LTE carriers
Jaime Solorza
On May 21, 2015 4:35 PM, Gino Villarini g...@aeronetpr.com wrote:
Ptp gear, expensive
On 5/21/15, 6:05 PM, Bill Prince part15...@gmail.com wrote:
Found a Fastback Networks device at one of our POPs yesterday. It seemed
to be causing a fair amount of interference on about 40 MHz worth of the
5 GHz band.
Anyone have any experience with this?
--
bp
part15sbs{at}gmail{dot}com
Re: [AFMUG] vivint
28 ghz to hub house . 5 ghz to homes and dual band AC wireless router indoors. Jaime Solorza On May 21, 2015 12:29 PM, Sterling Jacobson sterl...@avative.net wrote: I think they are sometimes 5Ghz and sometimes something else on the houses. The backhauls appear to be the unlicensed SAF 20+GHZ stuff to nearby drops. Most of those in Saratoga Springs are connected to CentraCom Fiber at the schools etc. And they are doing 50Mbps for $50 or $60 depending on who you talk to. So maybe they outperform DirectCom now, but when you guys get more fiber and for a better price they will switch. We took over quite a few in some neighborhoods already. *From:* Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] *On Behalf Of *Chuck McCown *Sent:* Thursday, May 21, 2015 12:20 PM *To:* af@afmug.com *Subject:* [AFMUG] vivint Anyone know if the APs are 5.8 GHz? I saw one going in today. Fed with a backhaul with a 2 foot dish. Couldn’t get close enough to see if it was licensed or not. The AP antennas look like little whips. At roof top. In a very heavy tree’d neighborhood. With trees taller than the houses. With a bunch of other WISPs in the area... And I just rolled fiber down that street. Wonder who will win in the end?
Re: [AFMUG] OT antimatter
Bill O’Reilly has other problems to deal with: http://gawker.com/bill-o-reilly-accused-of-domestic-violence-in-custody-b-1705006992 From: Jaime Solorza Sent: Thursday, May 21, 2015 6:06 PM To: Animal Farm Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT antimatter Well I think Bill would try to beat Rachel and drag her by neck but she would kick his ass. GOP friend of mine called Hillary a dike...I said he was probably right because her dick was bigger than the 2000 or so GOP presidential candidates, she looked better in pants, and would beat them in the cage. Lol Jaime Solorza On May 21, 2015 2:03 PM, Chuck McCown ch...@wbmfg.com wrote: Would their baby be the anti Christ? From: Rory Conaway Sent: Thursday, May 21, 2015 1:33 PM To: af@afmug.com Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT antimatter It would probably cause global warming because all the water would instantly evaporate from the intense heat. MSNBC would then blame it on Fox News. Rory From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Chuck McCown Sent: Thursday, May 21, 2015 12:29 PM To: af@afmug.com Subject: [AFMUG] OT antimatter If you put Rachel Maddow and Bill O’Reilly in a hot tub together naked, would a wormhole appear?
[AFMUG] 411 on Fastback Networks
Found a Fastback Networks device at one of our POPs yesterday. It seemed
to be causing a fair amount of interference on about 40 MHz worth of the
5 GHz band.
Anyone have any experience with this?
--
bp
part15sbs{at}gmail{dot}com
Re: [AFMUG] vivint
No, nothing particular to Vivint. I think they were just sick of it at the time. From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Chuck McCown Sent: Thursday, May 21, 2015 12:42 PM To: af@afmug.com Subject: Re: [AFMUG] vivint Do you give folks any kind of incentive or discount to switch? From: Sterling Jacobsonmailto:sterl...@avative.net Sent: Thursday, May 21, 2015 12:29 PM To: af@afmug.commailto:af@afmug.com Subject: Re: [AFMUG] vivint I think they are sometimes 5Ghz and sometimes something else on the houses. The backhauls appear to be the unlicensed SAF 20+GHZ stuff to nearby drops. Most of those in Saratoga Springs are connected to CentraCom Fiber at the schools etc. And they are doing 50Mbps for $50 or $60 depending on who you talk to. So maybe they outperform DirectCom now, but when you guys get more fiber and for a better price they will switch. We took over quite a few in some neighborhoods already. From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Chuck McCown Sent: Thursday, May 21, 2015 12:20 PM To: af@afmug.commailto:af@afmug.com Subject: [AFMUG] vivint Anyone know if the APs are 5.8 GHz? I saw one going in today. Fed with a backhaul with a 2 foot dish. Couldn’t get close enough to see if it was licensed or not. The AP antennas look like little whips. At roof top. In a very heavy tree’d neighborhood. With trees taller than the houses. With a bunch of other WISPs in the area... And I just rolled fiber down that street. Wonder who will win in the end?
Re: [AFMUG] mt ospf question
Oh I agree, if it works for you fine. Just giving you the example of why as you grow your knowledge and experience, you typically do it this way. ☺ no worries! Dennis Burgess, CTO, Link Technologies, Inc. den...@linktechs.netmailto:den...@linktechs.net – 314-735-0270 – www.linktechs.nethttp://www.linktechs.net From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Ken Hohhof Sent: Thursday, May 21, 2015 2:07 PM To: af@afmug.com Subject: Re: [AFMUG] mt ospf question That’s right. I’d better request an advisory ruling. From: George Skorupmailto:geo...@cbcast.com Sent: Thursday, May 21, 2015 12:45 PM To: af@afmug.commailto:af@afmug.com Subject: Re: [AFMUG] mt ospf question Easily negated with a routing filter on the OSPF-out chain. We can all argue this all day long. Nobody is wrong. Run your network how you want.. until the FCC starts dictating routing config too. :| On 5/21/2015 12:39 PM, Dennis Burgess wrote: You have tech ports on your routers, say, 10.199.199.1/24 on each site. That is a private block that you NAT at each site just for your on-site tech to use if needed.. now, the issue, all of your routers are advertising and basically arguing who has 10.199.199.0/24 !
Re: [AFMUG] vivint
Who was that? I think Brett and Dean went over? Did Dean leave? They tried to head hunt me for that position in 2013, but I was under non-compete with the sale of Rapidwave. Instead they got Roger Timmerman. https://www.linkedin.com/in/rogertimmerman It’s a joke, right? They got the guy who worked on the failed iProvo Fiber project, that then went to become CTO of the (arguably) failed Utopia Utah fiber project and put him in charge of a (arguably) failure of a wireless system. Makes me laugh. But I hear he’s making at Vivint, so I guess who’s the one laughing? From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Brett A Mansfield Sent: Thursday, May 21, 2015 1:33 PM To: af@afmug.com Subject: Re: [AFMUG] vivint Haha, funny you mention that! Their recently former COO is now one of my customers. He was the Chief Ops Officer specifically for Vivint Wireless. Thank you, Brett A Mansfield On May 21, 2015, at 1:26 PM, Chuck McCown ch...@wbmfg.commailto:ch...@wbmfg.com wrote: 5 GHz with FSK doesn’t even penetrate walls and vegetation. Be interesting to see what happens to their chief technology officer when the truth begins to filter up to the C level. From: Rory Conawaymailto:r...@triadwireless.net Sent: Thursday, May 21, 2015 1:23 PM To: af@afmug.commailto:af@afmug.com Subject: Re: [AFMUG] vivint Vivint is also relaying through their internal/half-duplex routers to avoid putting antennas on the roof. That was their original idea. They are finding out that most people need outdoor installations. For some reason, 5GHz with 256QAM doesn’t penetrated outside walls and vegetation. That’s a handy piece of information to have when you are planning to spend tens of millions of dollars. Rory From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Brett A Mansfield Sent: Thursday, May 21, 2015 12:20 PM To: af@afmug.commailto:af@afmug.com Subject: Re: [AFMUG] vivint I have several customers on 3.65 links, so vivint doesn't interfere with their signal. But I had one of these customers call me a week ago and tell me they are having massive buffer issues. When I went to check it out I saw that Vivint had put up a hub home right next door. My customer said it went up two days before and that is when they started having their issue. So Vivint is causing so much interference in the 5GHz area that people's home routers aren't even working. I gave her a 2.4GHz router and she is happy now. So, even if you get the 50Mb to your Vivint device, you won't be able to use it over your wireless network in 5GHz. Thank you, Brett A Mansfield On May 21, 2015, at 1:08 PM, Rory Conaway r...@triadwireless.netmailto:r...@triadwireless.net wrote: Vivint is kind of the worst of every idea. They spend a boatload on licensed spectrum, an excessive amount on backhaul radios and co-location costs, all of which requires a high-density of users. Then they deploy a non-TDMA mesh protocol so that when the density starts to increase, they cause their own interference. The 5GHz technology they are deploying can’t support the density they need to make this profitable. Then when connections don’t work, they deploy hacked together flat-panels to make the connection which then causes problems for other users because the flat-panel is too directional. I’m really not sure who is designing this but it reminds me of the EarthLink mesh deployments. What I can’t figure out is how that design gets past a technical and financial review. This is a multi-billion dollar, international company. Somebody should have figured out that there weren’t going to get 50Mbps through a mesh system consistently with vegetation and that the costs weren’t going to be in line with the revenue/density. Rory From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Joe Falaschi Sent: Thursday, May 21, 2015 11:51 AM To: af@afmug.commailto:af@afmug.com Subject: Re: [AFMUG] vivint I heard they were using this in 28GHz for BH to their micro sites: http://cbnl.com/vectastar-gigabit-highlights Joe Falaschi e-vergent On May 21, 2015, at 1:29 PM, Sterling Jacobson wrote: I think they are sometimes 5Ghz and sometimes something else on the houses. The backhauls appear to be the unlicensed SAF 20+GHZ stuff to nearby drops. Most of those in Saratoga Springs are connected to CentraCom Fiber at the schools etc. And they are doing 50Mbps for $50 or $60 depending on who you talk to. So maybe they outperform DirectCom now, but when you guys get more fiber and for a better price they will switch. We took over quite a few in some neighborhoods already. From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Chuck McCown Sent: Thursday, May 21, 2015 12:20 PM To: af@afmug.commailto:af@afmug.com Subject: [AFMUG] vivint Anyone know if the APs are 5.8 GHz? I saw one going in today. Fed with a backhaul with a 2 foot dish. Couldn’t get close enough to see if it was licensed or not. The AP antennas look like little whips. At
Re: [AFMUG] 411 on Fastback Networks
Ptp gear, expensive
On 5/21/15, 6:05 PM, Bill Prince part15...@gmail.com wrote:
Found a Fastback Networks device at one of our POPs yesterday. It seemed
to be causing a fair amount of interference on about 40 MHz worth of the
5 GHz band.
Anyone have any experience with this?
--
bp
part15sbs{at}gmail{dot}com
Re: [AFMUG] 411 on Fastback Networks
Very noisy and wide beam antennas.Link is probably 5 miles or less.
Saw their signature on SA at trade show earlier this year
Usually used by LTE carriers
Jaime Solorza
On May 21, 2015 4:35 PM, Gino Villarini g...@aeronetpr.com wrote:
Ptp gear, expensive
On 5/21/15, 6:05 PM, Bill Prince part15...@gmail.com wrote:
Found a Fastback Networks device at one of our POPs yesterday. It seemed
to be causing a fair amount of interference on about 40 MHz worth of the
5 GHz band.
Anyone have any experience with this?
--
bp
part15sbs{at}gmail{dot}com
Re: [AFMUG] 411 on Fastback Networks
They actually only list them as 5km. on their web site.
bp
part15sbs{at}gmail{dot}com
On 5/21/2015 3:56 PM, Jaime Solorza wrote:
Very noisy and wide beam antennas.Link is probably 5 miles or
less. Saw their signature on SA at trade show earlier this year
Usually used by LTE carriers
Jaime Solorza
On May 21, 2015 4:35 PM, Gino Villarini g...@aeronetpr.com
mailto:g...@aeronetpr.com wrote:
Ptp gear, expensive
On 5/21/15, 6:05 PM, Bill Prince part15...@gmail.com
mailto:part15...@gmail.com wrote:
Found a Fastback Networks device at one of our POPs yesterday. It
seemed
to be causing a fair amount of interference on about 40 MHz worth
of the
5 GHz band.
Anyone have any experience with this?
--
bp
part15sbs{at}gmail{dot}com
[AFMUG] C3VoIP-150 Gateway
http://www.cambiumnetworks.com/products/accessories Is there a version of this that supports wifi? I have no need for VOIP, cannot recall a customer ever requesting it, but managed wifi all in one outlet would be nice.
Re: [AFMUG] vivint
They are spending all that money for 10MHz? Maybe they should merge with Vivint. Rory From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Ken Hohhof Sent: Thursday, May 21, 2015 3:59 PM To: af@afmug.com Subject: Re: [AFMUG] vivint That’s OK, supposedly LightSquared has lined up Ivan Seidenberg as their new chairman ex-bankruptcy, as well as $1.25 billion in financing. http://www.fiercewireless.com/story/verizons-former-ceo-and-former-fcc-chairman-push-lightsquareds-case-directl/2015-05-20 I suppose by chairman they mean chairman of the board, not CEO? I thought Seidenberg was smarter than your average Baby Bell CEO, but what’s he doing with this zombie that refuses to stay dead? From: Sterling Jacobsonmailto:sterl...@avative.net Sent: Thursday, May 21, 2015 5:34 PM To: af@afmug.commailto:af@afmug.com Subject: Re: [AFMUG] vivint Who was that? I think Brett and Dean went over? Did Dean leave? They tried to head hunt me for that position in 2013, but I was under non-compete with the sale of Rapidwave. Instead they got Roger Timmerman. https://www.linkedin.com/in/rogertimmerman It’s a joke, right? They got the guy who worked on the failed iProvo Fiber project, that then went to become CTO of the (arguably) failed Utopia Utah fiber project and put him in charge of a (arguably) failure of a wireless system. Makes me laugh. But I hear he’s making at Vivint, so I guess who’s the one laughing? From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Brett A Mansfield Sent: Thursday, May 21, 2015 1:33 PM To: af@afmug.commailto:af@afmug.com Subject: Re: [AFMUG] vivint Haha, funny you mention that! Their recently former COO is now one of my customers. He was the Chief Ops Officer specifically for Vivint Wireless. Thank you, Brett A Mansfield On May 21, 2015, at 1:26 PM, Chuck McCown ch...@wbmfg.commailto:ch...@wbmfg.com wrote: 5 GHz with FSK doesn’t even penetrate walls and vegetation. Be interesting to see what happens to their chief technology officer when the truth begins to filter up to the C level. From: Rory Conawaymailto:r...@triadwireless.net Sent: Thursday, May 21, 2015 1:23 PM To: af@afmug.commailto:af@afmug.com Subject: Re: [AFMUG] vivint Vivint is also relaying through their internal/half-duplex routers to avoid putting antennas on the roof. That was their original idea. They are finding out that most people need outdoor installations. For some reason, 5GHz with 256QAM doesn’t penetrated outside walls and vegetation. That’s a handy piece of information to have when you are planning to spend tens of millions of dollars. Rory From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Brett A Mansfield Sent: Thursday, May 21, 2015 12:20 PM To: af@afmug.commailto:af@afmug.com Subject: Re: [AFMUG] vivint I have several customers on 3.65 links, so vivint doesn't interfere with their signal. But I had one of these customers call me a week ago and tell me they are having massive buffer issues. When I went to check it out I saw that Vivint had put up a hub home right next door. My customer said it went up two days before and that is when they started having their issue. So Vivint is causing so much interference in the 5GHz area that people's home routers aren't even working. I gave her a 2.4GHz router and she is happy now. So, even if you get the 50Mb to your Vivint device, you won't be able to use it over your wireless network in 5GHz. Thank you, Brett A Mansfield On May 21, 2015, at 1:08 PM, Rory Conaway r...@triadwireless.netmailto:r...@triadwireless.net wrote: Vivint is kind of the worst of every idea. They spend a boatload on licensed spectrum, an excessive amount on backhaul radios and co-location costs, all of which requires a high-density of users. Then they deploy a non-TDMA mesh protocol so that when the density starts to increase, they cause their own interference. The 5GHz technology they are deploying can’t support the density they need to make this profitable. Then when connections don’t work, they deploy hacked together flat-panels to make the connection which then causes problems for other users because the flat-panel is too directional. I’m really not sure who is designing this but it reminds me of the EarthLink mesh deployments. What I can’t figure out is how that design gets past a technical and financial review. This is a multi-billion dollar, international company. Somebody should have figured out that there weren’t going to get 50Mbps through a mesh system consistently with vegetation and that the costs weren’t going to be in line with the revenue/density. Rory From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Joe Falaschi Sent: Thursday, May 21, 2015 11:51 AM To: af@afmug.commailto:af@afmug.com Subject: Re: [AFMUG] vivint I heard they were using this in 28GHz for BH to their micro sites: http://cbnl.com/vectastar-gigabit-highlights Joe Falaschi e-vergent On May 21, 2015, at 1:29 PM, Sterling Jacobson
[AFMUG] charging for service calls
There have been some discussions at the office recently on this topic. One camp feels that the default action should be to charge for all service calls, and make an exception if necessary. The other camp feels that we should reserve the right to charge for a service call, but we should only do so if the problem is somehow the customer's fault (like hitting the cable with the weed whacker). The discussion in our office is only about fixing internet service by the way, not about fixing computers or other customer equipment. I was wondering what the peanut gallery thinks today.
Re: [AFMUG] charging for service calls
If our service is down and its our fault, we fix it. If we show up on site and the cable is plugged into the wrong port on the POE, or they cut the cable, moved the antenna, etc... Its $65/hr, 1/2 hr minimum. We don't fix computers, that takes time away from installs which is recurring monthly revenue. On May 21, 2015 9:30:46 PM AKDT, Adam Moffett dmmoff...@gmail.com wrote: There have been some discussions at the office recently on this topic. One camp feels that the default action should be to charge for all service calls, and make an exception if necessary. The other camp feels that we should reserve the right to charge for a service call, but we should only do so if the problem is somehow the customer's fault (like hitting the cable with the weed whacker). The discussion in our office is only about fixing internet service by the way, not about fixing computers or other customer equipment. I was wondering what the peanut gallery thinks today. -- Sent from my Android device with K-9 Mail. Please excuse my brevity.
Re: [AFMUG] vivint
Whoever presented to the board had a glossy enough brochure with all the right buzzwords in it. On 5/21/2015 2:08 PM, Rory Conaway wrote: Vivint is kind of the worst of every idea. They spend a boatload on licensed spectrum, an excessive amount on backhaul radios and co-location costs, all of which requires a high-density of users. Then they deploy a non-TDMA mesh protocol so that when the density starts to increase, they cause their own interference. The 5GHz technology they are deploying can't support the density they need to make this profitable. Then when connections don't work, they deploy hacked together flat-panels to make the connection which then causes problems for other users because the flat-panel is too directional. I'm really not sure who is designing this but it reminds me of the EarthLink mesh deployments. What I can't figure out is how that design gets past a technical and financial review. This is a multi-billion dollar, international company. Somebody should have figured out that there weren't going to get 50Mbps through a mesh system consistently with vegetation and that the costs weren't going to be in line with the revenue/density. Rory ** *From:*Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] *On Behalf Of *Joe Falaschi *Sent:* Thursday, May 21, 2015 11:51 AM *To:* af@afmug.com *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] vivint I heard they were using this in 28GHz for BH to their micro sites: http://cbnl.com/vectastar-gigabit-highlights Joe Falaschi e-vergent On May 21, 2015, at 1:29 PM, Sterling Jacobson wrote: I think they are sometimes 5Ghz and sometimes something else on the houses. The backhauls appear to be the unlicensed SAF 20+GHZ stuff to nearby drops. Most of those in Saratoga Springs are connected to CentraCom Fiber at the schools etc. And they are doing 50Mbps for $50 or $60 depending on who you talk to. So maybe they outperform DirectCom now, but when you guys get more fiber and for a better price they will switch. We took over quite a few in some neighborhoods already. *From:*Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com]*On Behalf Of*Chuck McCown *Sent:*Thursday, May 21, 2015 12:20 PM *To:*af@afmug.com mailto:af@afmug.com *Subject:*[AFMUG] vivint Anyone know if the APs are 5.8 GHz? I saw one going in today. Fed with a backhaul with a 2 foot dish. Couldn't get close enough to see if it was licensed or not. The AP antennas look like little whips. At roof top. In a very heavy tree'd neighborhood. With trees taller than the houses. With a bunch of other WISPs in the area... And I just rolled fiber down that street. Wonder who will win in the end?
Re: [AFMUG] vivint
I have several customers on 3.65 links, so vivint doesn't interfere with their signal. But I had one of these customers call me a week ago and tell me they are having massive buffer issues. When I went to check it out I saw that Vivint had put up a hub home right next door. My customer said it went up two days before and that is when they started having their issue. So Vivint is causing so much interference in the 5GHz area that people's home routers aren't even working. I gave her a 2.4GHz router and she is happy now. So, even if you get the 50Mb to your Vivint device, you won't be able to use it over your wireless network in 5GHz. Thank you, Brett A Mansfield On May 21, 2015, at 1:08 PM, Rory Conaway r...@triadwireless.net wrote: Vivint is kind of the worst of every idea. They spend a boatload on licensed spectrum, an excessive amount on backhaul radios and co-location costs, all of which requires a high-density of users. Then they deploy a non-TDMA mesh protocol so that when the density starts to increase, they cause their own interference. The 5GHz technology they are deploying can’t support the density they need to make this profitable. Then when connections don’t work, they deploy hacked together flat-panels to make the connection which then causes problems for other users because the flat-panel is too directional. I’m really not sure who is designing this but it reminds me of the EarthLink mesh deployments. What I can’t figure out is how that design gets past a technical and financial review. This is a multi-billion dollar, international company. Somebody should have figured out that there weren’t going to get 50Mbps through a mesh system consistently with vegetation and that the costs weren’t going to be in line with the revenue/density. Rory From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Joe Falaschi Sent: Thursday, May 21, 2015 11:51 AM To: af@afmug.com Subject: Re: [AFMUG] vivint I heard they were using this in 28GHz for BH to their micro sites: http://cbnl.com/vectastar-gigabit-highlights Joe Falaschi e-vergent On May 21, 2015, at 1:29 PM, Sterling Jacobson wrote: I think they are sometimes 5Ghz and sometimes something else on the houses. The backhauls appear to be the unlicensed SAF 20+GHZ stuff to nearby drops. Most of those in Saratoga Springs are connected to CentraCom Fiber at the schools etc. And they are doing 50Mbps for $50 or $60 depending on who you talk to. So maybe they outperform DirectCom now, but when you guys get more fiber and for a better price they will switch. We took over quite a few in some neighborhoods already. From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Chuck McCown Sent: Thursday, May 21, 2015 12:20 PM To: af@afmug.com Subject: [AFMUG] vivint Anyone know if the APs are 5.8 GHz? I saw one going in today. Fed with a backhaul with a 2 foot dish. Couldn’t get close enough to see if it was licensed or not. The AP antennas look like little whips. At roof top. In a very heavy tree’d neighborhood. With trees taller than the houses. With a bunch of other WISPs in the area... And I just rolled fiber down that street. Wonder who will win in the end?
Re: [AFMUG] vivint
The wireless internet portion of their income is probably less than 1% of their total revenues. This is more like a hobby for them. Travis On 5/21/2015 1:08 PM, Rory Conaway wrote: Vivint is kind of the worst of every idea. They spend a boatload on licensed spectrum, an excessive amount on backhaul radios and co-location costs, all of which requires a high-density of users. Then they deploy a non-TDMA mesh protocol so that when the density starts to increase, they cause their own interference. The 5GHz technology they are deploying can�t support the density they need to make this profitable. Then when connections don�t work, they deploy hacked together flat-panels to make the connection which then causes problems for other users because the flat-panel is too directional. I�m really not sure who is designing this but it reminds me of the EarthLink mesh deployments. What I can�t figure out is how that design gets past a technical and financial review. This is a multi-billion dollar, international company. Somebody should have figured out that there weren�t going to get 50Mbps through a mesh system consistently with vegetation and that the costs weren�t going to be in line with the revenue/density. Rory ** *From:*Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] *On Behalf Of *Joe Falaschi *Sent:* Thursday, May 21, 2015 11:51 AM *To:* af@afmug.com *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] vivint I heard they were using this in 28GHz for BH to their micro sites: http://cbnl.com/vectastar-gigabit-highlights Joe Falaschi e-vergent On May 21, 2015, at 1:29 PM, Sterling Jacobson wrote: I think they are sometimes 5Ghz and sometimes something else on the houses. The backhauls appear to be the unlicensed SAF 20+GHZ stuff to nearby drops. Most of those in Saratoga Springs are connected to CentraCom Fiber at the schools etc. And they are doing 50Mbps for $50 or $60 depending on who you talk to. So maybe they outperform DirectCom now, but when you guys get more fiber and for a better price they will switch. We took over quite a few in some neighborhoods already. *From:*Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com]*On Behalf Of*Chuck McCown *Sent:*Thursday, May 21, 2015 12:20 PM *To:*af@afmug.com mailto:af@afmug.com *Subject:*[AFMUG] vivint Anyone know if the APs are 5.8 GHz? I saw one going in today. Fed with a backhaul with a 2 foot dish. Couldn�t get close enough to see if it was licensed or not. The AP antennas look like little whips. At roof top. In a very heavy tree�d neighborhood. With trees taller than the houses. With a bunch of other WISPs in the area... And I just rolled fiber down that street. Wonder who will win in the end?
Re: [AFMUG] vivint
5 GHz with FSK doesn’t even penetrate walls and vegetation. Be interesting to see what happens to their chief technology officer when the truth begins to filter up to the C level. From: Rory Conaway Sent: Thursday, May 21, 2015 1:23 PM To: af@afmug.com Subject: Re: [AFMUG] vivint Vivint is also relaying through their internal/half-duplex routers to avoid putting antennas on the roof. That was their original idea. They are finding out that most people need outdoor installations. For some reason, 5GHz with 256QAM doesn’t penetrated outside walls and vegetation. That’s a handy piece of information to have when you are planning to spend tens of millions of dollars. Rory From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Brett A Mansfield Sent: Thursday, May 21, 2015 12:20 PM To: af@afmug.com Subject: Re: [AFMUG] vivint I have several customers on 3.65 links, so vivint doesn't interfere with their signal. But I had one of these customers call me a week ago and tell me they are having massive buffer issues. When I went to check it out I saw that Vivint had put up a hub home right next door. My customer said it went up two days before and that is when they started having their issue. So Vivint is causing so much interference in the 5GHz area that people's home routers aren't even working. I gave her a 2.4GHz router and she is happy now. So, even if you get the 50Mb to your Vivint device, you won't be able to use it over your wireless network in 5GHz. Thank you, Brett A Mansfield On May 21, 2015, at 1:08 PM, Rory Conaway r...@triadwireless.net wrote: Vivint is kind of the worst of every idea. They spend a boatload on licensed spectrum, an excessive amount on backhaul radios and co-location costs, all of which requires a high-density of users. Then they deploy a non-TDMA mesh protocol so that when the density starts to increase, they cause their own interference. The 5GHz technology they are deploying can’t support the density they need to make this profitable. Then when connections don’t work, they deploy hacked together flat-panels to make the connection which then causes problems for other users because the flat-panel is too directional. I’m really not sure who is designing this but it reminds me of the EarthLink mesh deployments. What I can’t figure out is how that design gets past a technical and financial review. This is a multi-billion dollar, international company. Somebody should have figured out that there weren’t going to get 50Mbps through a mesh system consistently with vegetation and that the costs weren’t going to be in line with the revenue/density. Rory From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Joe Falaschi Sent: Thursday, May 21, 2015 11:51 AM To: af@afmug.com Subject: Re: [AFMUG] vivint I heard they were using this in 28GHz for BH to their micro sites: http://cbnl.com/vectastar-gigabit-highlights Joe Falaschi e-vergent On May 21, 2015, at 1:29 PM, Sterling Jacobson wrote: I think they are sometimes 5Ghz and sometimes something else on the houses. The backhauls appear to be the unlicensed SAF 20+GHZ stuff to nearby drops. Most of those in Saratoga Springs are connected to CentraCom Fiber at the schools etc. And they are doing 50Mbps for $50 or $60 depending on who you talk to. So maybe they outperform DirectCom now, but when you guys get more fiber and for a better price they will switch. We took over quite a few in some neighborhoods already. From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Chuck McCown Sent: Thursday, May 21, 2015 12:20 PM To: af@afmug.com Subject: [AFMUG] vivint Anyone know if the APs are 5.8 GHz? I saw one going in today. Fed with a backhaul with a 2 foot dish. Couldn’t get close enough to see if it was licensed or not. The AP antennas look like little whips. At roof top. In a very heavy tree’d neighborhood. With trees taller than the houses. With a bunch of other WISPs in the area... And I just rolled fiber down that street. Wonder who will win in the end?
Re: [AFMUG] OT antimatter
It would probably cause global warming because all the water would instantly evaporate from the intense heat. MSNBC would then blame it on Fox News. Rory From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Chuck McCown Sent: Thursday, May 21, 2015 12:29 PM To: af@afmug.com Subject: [AFMUG] OT antimatter If you put Rachel Maddow and Bill O’Reilly in a hot tub together naked, would a wormhole appear?
Re: [AFMUG] 3P-36 Sector Antenna Mount with 3 36” Masts
I'm surprised Chuck didn't slap you with an MTOWP for that one, though. Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373 On Thu, May 21, 2015 at 3:48 PM, David dmilho...@wletc.com wrote: See my last post Those are 450AP 5Ghz 120deg KP antennas On 05/21/2015 01:06 PM, Sean Heskett wrote: I think a pic showing it with antennas installed would help show how it works. I'll dig around and see if I have any good pics or video of one in service. -sean On Thursday, May 21, 2015, Chuck McCown ch...@wbmfg.com wrote: What part of the picture is misleading? Hard to photograph that thing and give you a good idea of what it is. Maybe if I just laid it on the floor on a white sheet of paper? *From:* Josh Luthman *Sent:* Thursday, May 21, 2015 7:30 AM *To:* af@afmug.com *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG]3P-36 Sector Antenna Mount with 3 36” Masts Honestly just a better picture would be way easier. The picture there is visually misleading. Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373 On May 21, 2015 9:29 AM, Chuck McCown ch...@wbmfg.com wrote: Yes, attaches to one pipe and gives you 3 3’ mounting pipes. Or you can put two of them back to back for 6 mounts. I will work on the drawing etc. The website is my least favorite thing to work on. Thanks for the heads up about the broken image. *From:* Josh Luthman *Sent:* Wednesday, May 20, 2015 10:18 PM *To:* af@afmug.com *Subject:* [AFMUG] 3P-36 Sector Antenna Mount with 3 36” Masts http://wbmfg.com/products.cfm?PID=72 I want to be clear on what this is. The picture is very confusing to me and of course it's the one of few products without a mechanical drawing =( Does this attach to one pipe and give you three 3' poles? Like a triple MTOWP? PS: data sheet has a broken image Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373
Re: [AFMUG] vivint
Vivint is also relaying through their internal/half-duplex routers to avoid putting antennas on the roof. That was their original idea. They are finding out that most people need outdoor installations. For some reason, 5GHz with 256QAM doesn’t penetrated outside walls and vegetation. That’s a handy piece of information to have when you are planning to spend tens of millions of dollars. Rory From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Brett A Mansfield Sent: Thursday, May 21, 2015 12:20 PM To: af@afmug.com Subject: Re: [AFMUG] vivint I have several customers on 3.65 links, so vivint doesn't interfere with their signal. But I had one of these customers call me a week ago and tell me they are having massive buffer issues. When I went to check it out I saw that Vivint had put up a hub home right next door. My customer said it went up two days before and that is when they started having their issue. So Vivint is causing so much interference in the 5GHz area that people's home routers aren't even working. I gave her a 2.4GHz router and she is happy now. So, even if you get the 50Mb to your Vivint device, you won't be able to use it over your wireless network in 5GHz. Thank you, Brett A Mansfield On May 21, 2015, at 1:08 PM, Rory Conaway r...@triadwireless.netmailto:r...@triadwireless.net wrote: Vivint is kind of the worst of every idea. They spend a boatload on licensed spectrum, an excessive amount on backhaul radios and co-location costs, all of which requires a high-density of users. Then they deploy a non-TDMA mesh protocol so that when the density starts to increase, they cause their own interference. The 5GHz technology they are deploying can’t support the density they need to make this profitable. Then when connections don’t work, they deploy hacked together flat-panels to make the connection which then causes problems for other users because the flat-panel is too directional. I’m really not sure who is designing this but it reminds me of the EarthLink mesh deployments. What I can’t figure out is how that design gets past a technical and financial review. This is a multi-billion dollar, international company. Somebody should have figured out that there weren’t going to get 50Mbps through a mesh system consistently with vegetation and that the costs weren’t going to be in line with the revenue/density. Rory From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Joe Falaschi Sent: Thursday, May 21, 2015 11:51 AM To: af@afmug.commailto:af@afmug.com Subject: Re: [AFMUG] vivint I heard they were using this in 28GHz for BH to their micro sites: http://cbnl.com/vectastar-gigabit-highlights Joe Falaschi e-vergent On May 21, 2015, at 1:29 PM, Sterling Jacobson wrote: I think they are sometimes 5Ghz and sometimes something else on the houses. The backhauls appear to be the unlicensed SAF 20+GHZ stuff to nearby drops. Most of those in Saratoga Springs are connected to CentraCom Fiber at the schools etc. And they are doing 50Mbps for $50 or $60 depending on who you talk to. So maybe they outperform DirectCom now, but when you guys get more fiber and for a better price they will switch. We took over quite a few in some neighborhoods already. From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Chuck McCown Sent: Thursday, May 21, 2015 12:20 PM To: af@afmug.commailto:af@afmug.com Subject: [AFMUG] vivint Anyone know if the APs are 5.8 GHz? I saw one going in today. Fed with a backhaul with a 2 foot dish. Couldn’t get close enough to see if it was licensed or not. The AP antennas look like little whips. At roof top. In a very heavy tree’d neighborhood. With trees taller than the houses. With a bunch of other WISPs in the area... And I just rolled fiber down that street. Wonder who will win in the end?
Re: [AFMUG] mt ospf question
Easily negated with a routing filter on the OSPF-out chain. We can all argue this all day long. Nobody is wrong. Run your network how you want.. until the FCC starts dictating routing config too. :| On 5/21/2015 12:39 PM, Dennis Burgess wrote: You have tech ports on your routers, say, 10.199.199.1/24 on each site. That is a private block that you NAT at each site just for your on-site tech to use if needed.. now, the issue, all of your routers are advertising and basically arguing who has 10.199.199.0/24 !
[AFMUG] vivint
Anyone know if the APs are 5.8 GHz? I saw one going in today. Fed with a backhaul with a 2 foot dish. Couldn’t get close enough to see if it was licensed or not. The AP antennas look like little whips. At roof top. In a very heavy tree’d neighborhood. With trees taller than the houses. With a bunch of other WISPs in the area... And I just rolled fiber down that street. Wonder who will win in the end?
Re: [AFMUG] vivint
The large dish is licensed, I think 28GHz. The smaller radios are 5.1-5.8GHz. And they use it all!!! They have put hub homes right next door to each of my towers. Thank you, Brett A Mansfield On May 21, 2015, at 12:20 PM, Chuck McCown ch...@wbmfg.com wrote: Anyone know if the APs are 5.8 GHz? I saw one going in today. Fed with a backhaul with a 2 foot dish. Couldn’t get close enough to see if it was licensed or not. The AP antennas look like little whips. At roof top. In a very heavy tree’d neighborhood. With trees taller than the houses. With a bunch of other WISPs in the area... And I just rolled fiber down that street. Wonder who will win in the end?
[AFMUG] OT antimatter
If you put Rachel Maddow and Bill O’Reilly in a hot tub together naked, would a wormhole appear?
Re: [AFMUG] vivint
Haha, funny you mention that! Their recently former COO is now one of my customers. He was the Chief Ops Officer specifically for Vivint Wireless. Thank you, Brett A Mansfield On May 21, 2015, at 1:26 PM, Chuck McCown ch...@wbmfg.com wrote: 5 GHz with FSK doesn’t even penetrate walls and vegetation. Be interesting to see what happens to their chief technology officer when the truth begins to filter up to the C level. From: Rory Conaway Sent: Thursday, May 21, 2015 1:23 PM To: af@afmug.com Subject: Re: [AFMUG] vivint Vivint is also relaying through their internal/half-duplex routers to avoid putting antennas on the roof. That was their original idea. They are finding out that most people need outdoor installations. For some reason, 5GHz with 256QAM doesn’t penetrated outside walls and vegetation. That’s a handy piece of information to have when you are planning to spend tens of millions of dollars. Rory From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Brett A Mansfield Sent: Thursday, May 21, 2015 12:20 PM To: af@afmug.com Subject: Re: [AFMUG] vivint I have several customers on 3.65 links, so vivint doesn't interfere with their signal. But I had one of these customers call me a week ago and tell me they are having massive buffer issues. When I went to check it out I saw that Vivint had put up a hub home right next door. My customer said it went up two days before and that is when they started having their issue. So Vivint is causing so much interference in the 5GHz area that people's home routers aren't even working. I gave her a 2.4GHz router and she is happy now. So, even if you get the 50Mb to your Vivint device, you won't be able to use it over your wireless network in 5GHz. Thank you, Brett A Mansfield On May 21, 2015, at 1:08 PM, Rory Conaway r...@triadwireless.net wrote: Vivint is kind of the worst of every idea. They spend a boatload on licensed spectrum, an excessive amount on backhaul radios and co-location costs, all of which requires a high-density of users. Then they deploy a non-TDMA mesh protocol so that when the density starts to increase, they cause their own interference. The 5GHz technology they are deploying can’t support the density they need to make this profitable. Then when connections don’t work, they deploy hacked together flat-panels to make the connection which then causes problems for other users because the flat-panel is too directional. I’m really not sure who is designing this but it reminds me of the EarthLink mesh deployments. What I can’t figure out is how that design gets past a technical and financial review. This is a multi-billion dollar, international company. Somebody should have figured out that there weren’t going to get 50Mbps through a mesh system consistently with vegetation and that the costs weren’t going to be in line with the revenue/density. Rory From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Joe Falaschi Sent: Thursday, May 21, 2015 11:51 AM To: af@afmug.com Subject: Re: [AFMUG] vivint I heard they were using this in 28GHz for BH to their micro sites: http://cbnl.com/vectastar-gigabit-highlights Joe Falaschi e-vergent On May 21, 2015, at 1:29 PM, Sterling Jacobson wrote: I think they are sometimes 5Ghz and sometimes something else on the houses. The backhauls appear to be the unlicensed SAF 20+GHZ stuff to nearby drops. Most of those in Saratoga Springs are connected to CentraCom Fiber at the schools etc. And they are doing 50Mbps for $50 or $60 depending on who you talk to. So maybe they outperform DirectCom now, but when you guys get more fiber and for a better price they will switch. We took over quite a few in some neighborhoods already. From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Chuck McCown Sent: Thursday, May 21, 2015 12:20 PM To: af@afmug.com Subject: [AFMUG] vivint Anyone know if the APs are 5.8 GHz? I saw one going in today. Fed with a backhaul with a 2 foot dish. Couldn’t get close enough to see if it was licensed or not. The AP antennas look like little whips. At roof top. In a very heavy tree’d neighborhood. With trees taller than the houses. With a bunch of other WISPs in the area... And I just rolled fiber down that street. Wonder who will win in the end?
Re: [AFMUG] 3P-36 Sector Antenna Mount with 3 36” Masts
See my last post Those are 450AP 5Ghz 120deg KP antennas On 05/21/2015 01:06 PM, Sean Heskett wrote: I think a pic showing it with antennas installed would help show how it works. I'll dig around and see if I have any good pics or video of one in service. -sean On Thursday, May 21, 2015, Chuck McCown ch...@wbmfg.com mailto:ch...@wbmfg.com wrote: What part of the picture is misleading? Hard to photograph that thing and give you a good idea of what it is. Maybe if I just laid it on the floor on a white sheet of paper? *From:* Josh Luthman javascript:_e(%7B%7D,'cvml','j...@imaginenetworksllc.com'); *Sent:* Thursday, May 21, 2015 7:30 AM *To:* af@afmug.com javascript:_e(%7B%7D,'cvml','af@afmug.com'); *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG]3P-36 Sector Antenna Mount with 3 36” Masts Honestly just a better picture would be way easier. The picture there is visually misleading. Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373 On May 21, 2015 9:29 AM, Chuck McCown ch...@wbmfg.com javascript:_e(%7B%7D,'cvml','ch...@wbmfg.com'); wrote: Yes, attaches to one pipe and gives you 3 3’ mounting pipes. Or you can put two of them back to back for 6 mounts. I will work on the drawing etc. The website is my least favorite thing to work on. Thanks for the heads up about the broken image. *From:* Josh Luthman javascript:_e(%7B%7D,'cvml','j...@imaginenetworksllc.com'); *Sent:* Wednesday, May 20, 2015 10:18 PM *To:* af@afmug.com javascript:_e(%7B%7D,'cvml','af@afmug.com'); *Subject:* [AFMUG] 3P-36 Sector Antenna Mount with 3 36” Masts http://wbmfg.com/products.cfm?PID=72 I want to be clear on what this is. The picture is very confusing to me and of course it's the one of few products without a mechanical drawing =( Does this attach to one pipe and give you three 3' poles? Like a triple MTOWP? PS: data sheet has a broken image Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340 tel:937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343 tel:937-552-2343 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373
Re: [AFMUG] vivint
Vivint is kind of the worst of every idea. They spend a boatload on licensed spectrum, an excessive amount on backhaul radios and co-location costs, all of which requires a high-density of users. Then they deploy a non-TDMA mesh protocol so that when the density starts to increase, they cause their own interference. The 5GHz technology they are deploying can't support the density they need to make this profitable. Then when connections don't work, they deploy hacked together flat-panels to make the connection which then causes problems for other users because the flat-panel is too directional. I'm really not sure who is designing this but it reminds me of the EarthLink mesh deployments. What I can't figure out is how that design gets past a technical and financial review. This is a multi-billion dollar, international company. Somebody should have figured out that there weren't going to get 50Mbps through a mesh system consistently with vegetation and that the costs weren't going to be in line with the revenue/density. Rory From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Joe Falaschi Sent: Thursday, May 21, 2015 11:51 AM To: af@afmug.com Subject: Re: [AFMUG] vivint I heard they were using this in 28GHz for BH to their micro sites: http://cbnl.com/vectastar-gigabit-highlights Joe Falaschi e-vergent On May 21, 2015, at 1:29 PM, Sterling Jacobson wrote: I think they are sometimes 5Ghz and sometimes something else on the houses. The backhauls appear to be the unlicensed SAF 20+GHZ stuff to nearby drops. Most of those in Saratoga Springs are connected to CentraCom Fiber at the schools etc. And they are doing 50Mbps for $50 or $60 depending on who you talk to. So maybe they outperform DirectCom now, but when you guys get more fiber and for a better price they will switch. We took over quite a few in some neighborhoods already. From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Chuck McCown Sent: Thursday, May 21, 2015 12:20 PM To: af@afmug.commailto:af@afmug.com Subject: [AFMUG] vivint Anyone know if the APs are 5.8 GHz? I saw one going in today. Fed with a backhaul with a 2 foot dish. Couldn't get close enough to see if it was licensed or not. The AP antennas look like little whips. At roof top. In a very heavy tree'd neighborhood. With trees taller than the houses. With a bunch of other WISPs in the area... And I just rolled fiber down that street. Wonder who will win in the end?
Re: [AFMUG] OT antimatter
Only if you add Jon Stewart to the tub too. On 05/21/2015 12:29 PM, Chuck McCown wrote: If you put Rachel Maddow and Bill O’Reilly in a hot tub together naked, would a wormhole appear? !DSPAM:2,555e3217186685534985984!
Re: [AFMUG] vivint
That’s even more funny. If he ever wants to chat, give him my number ☺. Rory Conaway • Triad Wireless • CEO 4226 S. 37th Street • Phoenix • AZ 85040 602-426-0542 r...@triadwireless.netmailto:r...@triadwireless.net www.triadwireless.nethttp://www.triadwireless.net/ “That which can be destroyed by the truth, should be.” – P.C. Hodgell From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Brett A Mansfield Sent: Thursday, May 21, 2015 12:33 PM To: af@afmug.com Subject: Re: [AFMUG] vivint Haha, funny you mention that! Their recently former COO is now one of my customers. He was the Chief Ops Officer specifically for Vivint Wireless. Thank you, Brett A Mansfield On May 21, 2015, at 1:26 PM, Chuck McCown ch...@wbmfg.commailto:ch...@wbmfg.com wrote: 5 GHz with FSK doesn’t even penetrate walls and vegetation. Be interesting to see what happens to their chief technology officer when the truth begins to filter up to the C level. From: Rory Conawaymailto:r...@triadwireless.net Sent: Thursday, May 21, 2015 1:23 PM To: af@afmug.commailto:af@afmug.com Subject: Re: [AFMUG] vivint Vivint is also relaying through their internal/half-duplex routers to avoid putting antennas on the roof. That was their original idea. They are finding out that most people need outdoor installations. For some reason, 5GHz with 256QAM doesn’t penetrated outside walls and vegetation. That’s a handy piece of information to have when you are planning to spend tens of millions of dollars. Rory From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Brett A Mansfield Sent: Thursday, May 21, 2015 12:20 PM To: af@afmug.commailto:af@afmug.com Subject: Re: [AFMUG] vivint I have several customers on 3.65 links, so vivint doesn't interfere with their signal. But I had one of these customers call me a week ago and tell me they are having massive buffer issues. When I went to check it out I saw that Vivint had put up a hub home right next door. My customer said it went up two days before and that is when they started having their issue. So Vivint is causing so much interference in the 5GHz area that people's home routers aren't even working. I gave her a 2.4GHz router and she is happy now. So, even if you get the 50Mb to your Vivint device, you won't be able to use it over your wireless network in 5GHz. Thank you, Brett A Mansfield On May 21, 2015, at 1:08 PM, Rory Conaway r...@triadwireless.netmailto:r...@triadwireless.net wrote: Vivint is kind of the worst of every idea. They spend a boatload on licensed spectrum, an excessive amount on backhaul radios and co-location costs, all of which requires a high-density of users. Then they deploy a non-TDMA mesh protocol so that when the density starts to increase, they cause their own interference. The 5GHz technology they are deploying can’t support the density they need to make this profitable. Then when connections don’t work, they deploy hacked together flat-panels to make the connection which then causes problems for other users because the flat-panel is too directional. I’m really not sure who is designing this but it reminds me of the EarthLink mesh deployments. What I can’t figure out is how that design gets past a technical and financial review. This is a multi-billion dollar, international company. Somebody should have figured out that there weren’t going to get 50Mbps through a mesh system consistently with vegetation and that the costs weren’t going to be in line with the revenue/density. Rory From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Joe Falaschi Sent: Thursday, May 21, 2015 11:51 AM To: af@afmug.commailto:af@afmug.com Subject: Re: [AFMUG] vivint I heard they were using this in 28GHz for BH to their micro sites: http://cbnl.com/vectastar-gigabit-highlights Joe Falaschi e-vergent On May 21, 2015, at 1:29 PM, Sterling Jacobson wrote: I think they are sometimes 5Ghz and sometimes something else on the houses. The backhauls appear to be the unlicensed SAF 20+GHZ stuff to nearby drops. Most of those in Saratoga Springs are connected to CentraCom Fiber at the schools etc. And they are doing 50Mbps for $50 or $60 depending on who you talk to. So maybe they outperform DirectCom now, but when you guys get more fiber and for a better price they will switch. We took over quite a few in some neighborhoods already. From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Chuck McCown Sent: Thursday, May 21, 2015 12:20 PM To: af@afmug.commailto:af@afmug.com Subject: [AFMUG] vivint Anyone know if the APs are 5.8 GHz? I saw one going in today. Fed with a backhaul with a 2 foot dish. Couldn’t get close enough to see if it was licensed or not. The AP antennas look like little whips. At roof top. In a very heavy tree’d neighborhood. With trees taller than the houses. With a bunch of other WISPs in the area... And I just rolled fiber down that street. Wonder who will win in the end?
Re: [AFMUG] OT antimatter
There is no doubt they would annihilate each other with a lot of energy. Chuck McCown wrote: If you put Rachel Maddow and Bill O’Reilly in a hot tub together naked, would a wormhole appear?
Re: [AFMUG] mimosa
We say negative stuff about each other every day... Kinda like a locker room in here. From: Mathew Howard Sent: Thursday, May 21, 2015 8:37 AM To: af Subject: Re: [AFMUG] mimosa This is afmug... we say negative stuff about Ubiquiti everyday :P I don't find it hard to believe that the Mimosa is getting a lot better throughput in this particular situation, but it would be really interesting to know how the two compared using the exact same channels probably not actually possible to know at this point, since I'm assuming he had the AF5x on a 50mhz channel, which can't done on a Mimosa. On Thu, May 21, 2015 at 1:10 AM, Rory Conaway r...@triadwireless.net wrote: Don’t have your answer, only the results and the radios are running 40x40, split channels. I do know he doesn’t want to get into a battle with everyone over this issue and I don’t blame him. Mention something negative about Ubiquiti and you get investigated and accused of everything from stealing candy from babies to taking payoffs from multiple sides and trying to short sell the stock. He saw the lies and false accusations I had to go through on SeekingAlpha and he doesn’t want any part of that. Nobody wants the facts, more important to attack the messenger. This gentlemen also has 30 more years in the radio industry than I do so I respect what he says. Rory From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Josh Reynolds Sent: Wednesday, May 20, 2015 6:52 PM To: af@afmug.com Subject: Re: [AFMUG] mimosa This story doesn't make a bit of sense. There would only be a handful of reasons he couldn't get enough throughput with AF5x radios, but could with a B5. If it's noise, well, the AF5X is going to handle adjacent and co-channel noise better than the B5, given the same channel widths and channel selection. There are certain situations where if everything was perfect and you were using a PAIR of 40MHz channels, that you could pull it off... but given you said it's a busy site, I'm not thinking that's the case. I'd love to learn more about that deployment. Josh ReynoldsCIO, SPITwSPOTSwww.spitwspots.comOn 05/20/2015 05:33 AM, Rory Conaway wrote: I�ve got 10 of them up and they have worked great.� As for mixing it with Cambium gear, that�s a tough one.� Because there is no interoperability with GPS between manufacturers, you have to rely on normal isolation methods.� You probably want to keep them at least 10 apart or more.� On the one tower where I was concerned about the issue and another location where I have a lot of 5GHz radios, Ubiquiti, and others on the same roof, I�m using the Jirous dishes with the built-in shrouds and then using the B5c�s.� I don�t have any comparison to the B5 in that situation, I just planned for the worst case scenario.� I have another colleague that is using the B5c�s with Ubiquiti antennas with Ubiquiti shroud on the same roof because he needed a 34dBi antenna and it�s shooting 32 miles. ��He couldn�t get enough throughput out of the AF5x radios so he swapped to the Mimosa and he is getting 2-3 times more throughput, about 200Mbps. � Rory � From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Ryan Mano Sent: Wednesday, May 20, 2015 6:20 AM To: 'af@afmug.com' Subject: [AFMUG] mimosa � Would like to know what your feedback is on the mimosa B5 intergrated�.am looking to try this out and if its ok to mix with cambium gear on the same towers � thanks � �
Re: [AFMUG] How to do a Licensed install for a school
Don't spend too much time thinking about this one... It won't lead anywhere good. - Original Message - From: Bruce Robertson br...@pooh.com To: af@afmug.com Sent: Thursday, May 21, 2015 10:24 AM Subject: Re: [AFMUG] How to do a Licensed install for a school Why didn't they just trench over to the power pole when they dug the hole for the mast?
Re: [AFMUG] mimosa
Mama taught me that if I have nothing nice to say to not say anything at all. :] -Steve D On Thu, May 21, 2015 at 8:58 AM, Rory Conaway r...@triadwireless.net wrote: Yea, but if some investor sees it, you will have a Fatwa put out on you. Rory *From:* Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] *On Behalf Of *Chuck McCown *Sent:* Thursday, May 21, 2015 8:37 AM *To:* af *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] mimosa We say negative stuff about each other every day... Kinda like a locker room in here. *From:* Mathew Howard mhoward...@gmail.com *Sent:* Thursday, May 21, 2015 8:37 AM *To:* af af@afmug.com *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] mimosa This is afmug... we say negative stuff about Ubiquiti everyday :P I don't find it hard to believe that the Mimosa is getting a lot better throughput in this particular situation, but it would be really interesting to know how the two compared using the exact same channels probably not actually possible to know at this point, since I'm assuming he had the AF5x on a 50mhz channel, which can't done on a Mimosa. On Thu, May 21, 2015 at 1:10 AM, Rory Conaway r...@triadwireless.net wrote: Don’t have your answer, only the results and the radios are running 40x40, split channels. I do know he doesn’t want to get into a battle with everyone over this issue and I don’t blame him. Mention something negative about Ubiquiti and you get investigated and accused of everything from stealing candy from babies to taking payoffs from multiple sides and trying to short sell the stock. He saw the lies and false accusations I had to go through on SeekingAlpha and he doesn’t want any part of that. Nobody wants the facts, more important to attack the messenger. This gentlemen also has 30 more years in the radio industry than I do so I respect what he says. Rory *From:* Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] *On Behalf Of *Josh Reynolds *Sent:* Wednesday, May 20, 2015 6:52 PM *To:* af@afmug.com *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] mimosa This story doesn't make a bit of sense. There would only be a handful of reasons he couldn't get enough throughput with AF5x radios, but could with a B5. If it's noise, well, the AF5X is going to handle adjacent and co-channel noise better than the B5, given the same channel widths and channel selection. There are certain situations where if everything was perfect and you were using a PAIR of 40MHz channels, that you could pull it off... but given you said it's a busy site, I'm not thinking that's the case. I'd love to learn more about that deployment. Josh Reynolds CIO, SPITwSPOTS www.spitwspots.com On 05/20/2015 05:33 AM, Rory Conaway wrote: I�ve got 10 of them up and they have worked great.� As for mixing it with Cambium gear, that�s a tough one.� Because there is no interoperability with GPS between manufacturers, you have to rely on normal isolation methods.� You probably want to keep them at least 10 apart or more.� On the one tower where I was concerned about the issue and another location where I have a lot of 5GHz radios, Ubiquiti, and others on the same roof, I�m using the Jirous dishes with the built-in shrouds and then using the B5c�s.� I don�t have any comparison to the B5 in that situation, I just planned for the worst case scenario.� I have another colleague that is using the B5c�s with Ubiquiti antennas with Ubiquiti shroud on the same roof because he needed a 34dBi antenna and it�s shooting 32 miles. ��He couldn�t get enough throughput out of the AF5x radios so he swapped to the Mimosa and he is getting 2-3 times more throughput, about 200Mbps. � Rory � *From:* Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com af-boun...@afmug.com] *On Behalf Of *Ryan Mano *Sent:* Wednesday, May 20, 2015 6:20 AM *To:* 'af@afmug.com' *Subject:* [AFMUG] mimosa � Would like to know what your feedback is on the mimosa B5 intergrated�.am looking to try this out and if its ok to mix with cambium gear on the same towers � thanks � �
Re: [AFMUG] mimosa
He did a lot of testing and had it running with the A5x but changed it. Part of the problem is the assumption that has been put forth that the AF5x is somehow superior so he tried that first. If my B5c’s get here by Friday, I’ll try and run a direct comparison with the A5x at 4 miles. Rory From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Chuck McCown Sent: Thursday, May 21, 2015 8:37 AM To: af Subject: Re: [AFMUG] mimosa We say negative stuff about each other every day... Kinda like a locker room in here. From: Mathew Howardmailto:mhoward...@gmail.com Sent: Thursday, May 21, 2015 8:37 AM To: afmailto:af@afmug.com Subject: Re: [AFMUG] mimosa This is afmug... we say negative stuff about Ubiquiti everyday :P I don't find it hard to believe that the Mimosa is getting a lot better throughput in this particular situation, but it would be really interesting to know how the two compared using the exact same channels probably not actually possible to know at this point, since I'm assuming he had the AF5x on a 50mhz channel, which can't done on a Mimosa. On Thu, May 21, 2015 at 1:10 AM, Rory Conaway r...@triadwireless.netmailto:r...@triadwireless.net wrote: Don’t have your answer, only the results and the radios are running 40x40, split channels. I do know he doesn’t want to get into a battle with everyone over this issue and I don’t blame him. Mention something negative about Ubiquiti and you get investigated and accused of everything from stealing candy from babies to taking payoffs from multiple sides and trying to short sell the stock. He saw the lies and false accusations I had to go through on SeekingAlpha and he doesn’t want any part of that. Nobody wants the facts, more important to attack the messenger. This gentlemen also has 30 more years in the radio industry than I do so I respect what he says. Rory From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.commailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Josh Reynolds Sent: Wednesday, May 20, 2015 6:52 PM To: af@afmug.commailto:af@afmug.com Subject: Re: [AFMUG] mimosa This story doesn't make a bit of sense. There would only be a handful of reasons he couldn't get enough throughput with AF5x radios, but could with a B5. If it's noise, well, the AF5X is going to handle adjacent and co-channel noise better than the B5, given the same channel widths and channel selection. There are certain situations where if everything was perfect and you were using a PAIR of 40MHz channels, that you could pull it off... but given you said it's a busy site, I'm not thinking that's the case. I'd love to learn more about that deployment. Josh Reynolds CIO, SPITwSPOTS www.spitwspots.comhttp://www.spitwspots.com On 05/20/2015 05:33 AM, Rory Conaway wrote: I�ve got 10 of them up and they have worked great.� As for mixing it with Cambium gear, that�s a tough one.� Because there is no interoperability with GPS between manufacturers, you have to rely on normal isolation methods.� You probably want to keep them at least 10 apart or more.� On the one tower where I was concerned about the issue and another location where I have a lot of 5GHz radios, Ubiquiti, and others on the same roof, I�m using the Jirous dishes with the built-in shrouds and then using the B5c�s.� I don�t have any comparison to the B5 in that situation, I just planned for the worst case scenario.� I have another colleague that is using the B5c�s with Ubiquiti antennas with Ubiquiti shroud on the same roof because he needed a 34dBi antenna and it�s shooting 32 miles. ��He couldn�t get enough throughput out of the AF5x radios so he swapped to the Mimosa and he is getting 2-3 times more throughput, about 200Mbps. � Rory � From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Ryan Mano Sent: Wednesday, May 20, 2015 6:20 AM To: 'af@afmug.commailto:af@afmug.com' Subject: [AFMUG] mimosa � Would like to know what your feedback is on the mimosa B5 intergrated�.am looking to try this out and if its ok to mix with cambium gear on the same towers � thanks � �
