Re: [AFMUG] FS Procera Packet Logic 7810

[Paul Stewart]

Gino’s trademark upside down pics… love it…

 

;)

 

From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Gino Villarini
Sent: Friday, October 2, 2015 8:19 AM
To: af@afmug.com
Subject: [AFMUG] FS Procera Packet Logic 7810

 

We are upgrading to the 8820 unit (10G ports) so we are offering for sale the 
HW unit Packet Logic 7810

 

-3 channels (6 1G ports)

 

 

Offlist for more info

Re: [AFMUG] Friday Funny - The OctoTriad

[Rory Conaway]

The In & Out patties are for children.  Put 10 of them together and they 
wouldn’t hold a sheet of paper on the ground in a slight breeze.  These are 
quarter pounder.  Man size.  Next stop, Wendy’s.

Rory

From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Forrest Christian (List 
Account)
Sent: Friday, October 2, 2015 5:22 AM
To: af
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Friday Funny - The OctoTriad


Next time you're near an in n out, make sure you order an 8x8 then.  Or 10x10 
or more if you are really a glutton.
On Oct 2, 2015 12:57 AM, "Rory Conaway" 
> wrote:
The official burger of Triad Employees getting lunch on the company credit 
card.  8 Patties and 2lbs of pure heaven.


Rory Conaway • Triad Wireless • CEO
4226 S. 37th Street • Phoenix • AZ 85040
602-426-0542
r...@triadwireless.net
www.triadwireless.net

“Things could be worse. Suppose your errors were counted and published every 
day, like those of a baseball player.” ~Author Unknown

Re: [AFMUG] Friday Funny - The OctoTriad

[Rory Conaway]

My personal record when I was 16 was 2 full Wendy's Triples with fries and a 
Frosty.  Can't do that any more.  I gave the burger to the kid sitting next to 
me.

Rory

-Original Message-
From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Jay Weekley
Sent: Friday, October 2, 2015 7:13 AM
To: af@afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Friday Funny - The OctoTriad

Maybe when I was younger.  The best I can share now is how much fiber I ate in 
one meal.

Rory Conaway wrote:
>
> The official burger of Triad Employees getting lunch on the company 
> credit card.  8 Patties and 2lbs of pure heaven.
>
> *Rory Conaway **� Triad Wireless �**CEO*
>
> *4226 S. 37^th Street � Phoenix � AZ 85040*
>
> *602-426-0542*
>
> *r...@triadwireless.net *
>
> *www.triadwireless.net *
>
> **
>
> */�/*Things could be worse. Suppose your errors were counted and 
> published every day, like those of a baseball player.� ~Author 
> Unknown
>

Re: [AFMUG] National Broadband Map

[Jeremy]

Our state (Utah) has allocated funds and is continuing the Utah Broadband
Mapping Initiative (brodband.utah.gov/map/).  They called me recently for a
map update.  I mentioned that it is all on the 477 map now and she said
they were continuing to update the local map independently of the 477 map.

On Fri, Oct 2, 2015 at 6:12 AM, Brian Webster 
wrote:

> The National Broadband Map program was funded through the ARRA program and
> was under the control of the NTIA. That grant funding did not get renewed
> so as of the end of 2014 that state and national broadband map program
> stopped. The solution to continue to collect broadband deployment data was
> rolled in to the FCC form 477 program. That is where you have the new
> additional requirement to report not only your customer my census tract,
> but that you now have to report by law your service areas by census block.
> The census block service area data will become public information but your
> customer tract data still remains protected under NDA.
>
>
>
> If the FCC only has one person on the mapping program that would explain
> why you all seem to get notices so long after a filing if there are issues
> AND it also explains why there have been to releases to date of the block
> level coverage data for carriers by the FCC. That means the most current
> broadband deployment data available is from the national broadband map and
> that last round of data was collected and turned in to the NTIA in
> September of last year. That data has been published.
>
>
>
> Some states have continued to work on their mapping programs by requesting
> from carriers their latest 477 block level data, but there is no national
> effort to do so outside of the FCC.
>
>
>
> Thank You,
>
> Brian Webster
>
> www.wirelessmapping.com
>
> www.Broadband-Mapping.com
>
>
>
> *From:* Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] *On Behalf Of *Ty Featherling
> *Sent:* Thursday, October 01, 2015 10:10 AM
> *To:* af@afmug.com
> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] National Broadband Map
>
>
>
> I bet Brian Webster could shine a little light on it.
>
>
>
> -Ty
>
>
>
> On Wed, Sep 30, 2015 at 9:07 PM, CBB - Jay Fuller <
> par...@cyberbroadband.net> wrote:
>
>
>
> Ok - two articles that I read today both cite the national broadband map
> for "information".
>
> I wanted to pass along some information I received in a state of Alabama
> broadband meeting / briefing today.
>
>
>
> At a conference recently an Alabama state staffer discussed with personnel
> from the FCC the National Broadband Map.
>
> Staffer was told the fcc currently had *one* employee working on that map
> and to not expect it to be updated anytime soon.
>
>
>
> There was, and I quote, "little to no funding..." for the project.
>
>
>
> FYI.
>
> grain of salt.
>
> take it or leave it.
>
>
>
>
>
> - Original Message -
>
> *From:* Ken Hohhof 
>
> *To:* af@afmug.com
>
> *Sent:* Wednesday, September 30, 2015 8:28 PM
>
> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Any of you guys service this guy in the news?
>
>
>
> Ouch, that Farm Futures article is pretty awful.  Probably what passes for
> journalism today.
>
> I hope you weren't too harsh on her.  Probably some gig economy writer
> paid
> a penny a word or something?
>
>
> -Original Message-
> From: Rick Harnish
> Sent: Wednesday, September 30, 2015 6:56 PM
> To: af@afmug.com
> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Any of you guys service this guy in the news?
>
> I contacted Peter Maher at Netwurx about the article.  They are close.
> Maybe that is who Matthew Howard works for.
>
> http://www.netwurx.net/wireless-high-speed
>
> I also wrote an email to Jessica Michael at Farm Futures about her lack of
> knowledge about the Wisp industry yesterday.  I haven't heard back from
> her
> yet.
>
> http://farmfutures.com/blogs-rural-internet-options-smart-office-10241
>
> Respectfully,
>
> Rick Harnish
> Broadband Consultant & Industry Analyst
> 260-307-4000 cell
> Skype: rick.harnish.Twitter:
> @rharnish
>
>
> > -Original Message-
> > From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Steve
> > Sent: Wednesday, September 30, 2015 7:43 PM
> > To: af@afmug.com
> > Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Any of you guys service this guy in the news?
> >
> > Contact Ars... have them update the site saying that Wireless can solve
> a
> > lot
> > of these problems for a fraction of the price.   It'll be a good piece
> > they can do
> > on the wireless industry.  Find the name of the guy who wrote the
> article.
> > ahhh his email is  jon.brod...@arstechnica.com
> >
> >
> >
> > - Original Message -
> > From: "Mathew Howard" 
> > To: "af" 
> > Sent: Wednesday, September 30, 2015 7:28:01 PM
> > Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Any of you guys service this guy in the news?
> >
> > I'll just skimmed through the article... We might be able to get there,
> > I'll see if
> > I can figure out where exactly it is.
> >
> > On Wed, Sep 30, 2015 at 5:10 PM, Steve  

Re: [AFMUG] Friday Funny - The OctoTriad

[Jay Weekley]

Maybe when I was younger.  The best I can share now is how much fiber I 
ate in one meal.


Rory Conaway wrote:


The official burger of Triad Employees getting lunch on the company 
credit card.  8 Patties and 2lbs of pure heaven.


*Rory Conaway **� Triad Wireless �**CEO*

*4226 S. 37^th Street � Phoenix � AZ 85040*

*602-426-0542*

*r...@triadwireless.net *

*www.triadwireless.net *

**

*/�/*Things could be worse. Suppose your errors were counted and 
published every day, like those of a baseball player.� ~Author Unknown

Re: [AFMUG] come on apple...what cha doin?

[Tyler Treat]

There was one Monday/Tuesday.  Do things take longer to get to Alabama?
___
Mangled by my iPhone.
___

On Oct 2, 2015, at 6:39 AM, CBB - Jay Fuller 
> wrote:



Seeing a lot of traffic going to 17.253.7.202in fact about six customers 
are pulling full speed from this site.
it comes back to Apple.  Are they sending out an update or something?  It's all 
download...

Re: [AFMUG] Friday Funny - The OctoTriad

[Forrest Christian (List Account)]

Next time you're near an in n out, make sure you order an 8x8 then.  Or
10x10 or more if you are really a glutton.
On Oct 2, 2015 12:57 AM, "Rory Conaway"  wrote:

> The official burger of Triad Employees getting lunch on the company credit
> card.  8 Patties and 2lbs of pure heaven.
>
>
>
>
>
> *Rory Conaway **• Triad Wireless •** CEO*
>
> *4226 S. 37th Street • Phoenix • AZ 85040*
>
> *602-426-0542 <602-426-0542>*
>
> *r...@triadwireless.net *
>
> *www.triadwireless.net *
>
>
>
> *“*Things could be worse. Suppose your errors were counted and published
> every day, like those of a baseball player.” ~Author Unknown
>
>
>

Re: [AFMUG] National Broadband Map

[Brian Webster]

The National Broadband Map program was funded through the ARRA program and was 
under the control of the NTIA. That grant funding did not get renewed so as of 
the end of 2014 that state and national broadband map program stopped. The 
solution to continue to collect broadband deployment data was rolled in to the 
FCC form 477 program. That is where you have the new additional requirement to 
report not only your customer my census tract, but that you now have to report 
by law your service areas by census block. The census block service area data 
will become public information but your customer tract data still remains 
protected under NDA.

 

If the FCC only has one person on the mapping program that would explain why 
you all seem to get notices so long after a filing if there are issues AND it 
also explains why there have been to releases to date of the block level 
coverage data for carriers by the FCC. That means the most current broadband 
deployment data available is from the national broadband map and that last 
round of data was collected and turned in to the NTIA in September of last 
year. That data has been published.

 

Some states have continued to work on their mapping programs by requesting from 
carriers their latest 477 block level data, but there is no national effort to 
do so outside of the FCC.

 

Thank You,

Brian Webster

www.wirelessmapping.com

www.Broadband-Mapping.com

 

From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Ty Featherling
Sent: Thursday, October 01, 2015 10:10 AM
To: af@afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] National Broadband Map

 

I bet Brian Webster could shine a little light on it.

 

-Ty

 

On Wed, Sep 30, 2015 at 9:07 PM, CBB - Jay Fuller  
wrote:

 

Ok - two articles that I read today both cite the national broadband map for 
"information".

I wanted to pass along some information I received in a state of Alabama 
broadband meeting / briefing today.

 

At a conference recently an Alabama state staffer discussed with personnel from 
the FCC the National Broadband Map.

Staffer was told the fcc currently had *one* employee working on that map and 
to not expect it to be updated anytime soon.

 

There was, and I quote, "little to no funding..." for the project.

 

FYI.

grain of salt.

take it or leave it.

 

 

- Original Message - 

From: Ken Hohhof   

To: af@afmug.com 

Sent: Wednesday, September 30, 2015 8:28 PM

Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Any of you guys service this guy in the news?

 

Ouch, that Farm Futures article is pretty awful.  Probably what passes for 
journalism today.

I hope you weren't too harsh on her.  Probably some gig economy writer paid 
a penny a word or something?


-Original Message- 
From: Rick Harnish
Sent: Wednesday, September 30, 2015 6:56 PM
To: af@afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Any of you guys service this guy in the news?

I contacted Peter Maher at Netwurx about the article.  They are close. 
Maybe that is who Matthew Howard works for.

http://www.netwurx.net/wireless-high-speed

I also wrote an email to Jessica Michael at Farm Futures about her lack of 
knowledge about the Wisp industry yesterday.  I haven't heard back from her 
yet.

http://farmfutures.com/blogs-rural-internet-options-smart-office-10241

Respectfully,

Rick Harnish
Broadband Consultant & Industry Analyst
260-307-4000 cell
Skype: rick.harnish.Twitter: 
@rharnish


> -Original Message-
> From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Steve
> Sent: Wednesday, September 30, 2015 7:43 PM
> To: af@afmug.com
> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Any of you guys service this guy in the news?
>
> Contact Ars... have them update the site saying that Wireless can solve a 
> lot
> of these problems for a fraction of the price.   It'll be a good piece 
> they can do
> on the wireless industry.  Find the name of the guy who wrote the article.
> ahhh his email is  jon.brod...@arstechnica.com
>
>
>
> - Original Message -
> From: "Mathew Howard" 
> To: "af" 
> Sent: Wednesday, September 30, 2015 7:28:01 PM
> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Any of you guys service this guy in the news?
>
> I'll just skimmed through the article... We might be able to get there, 
> I'll see if
> I can figure out where exactly it is.
>
> On Wed, Sep 30, 2015 at 5:10 PM, Steve  wrote:
>
> > Would be a good followup Ars story if someone with a 450 was able to
> > hit this guy up with faster than DSL speeds!  Good PR for the WISP 
> > industry.
> >
> >
> > http://arstechnica.com/business/2015/09/man-builds-house-then-finds-
> ou
> > t-cable-internet-will-cost-117000/
> >
> > 

 

[AFMUG] come on apple...what cha doin?

[CBB - Jay Fuller]

Seeing a lot of traffic going to 17.253.7.202in fact about six customers 
are pulling full speed from this site.
it comes back to Apple.  Are they sending out an update or something?  It's all 
download...

Re: [AFMUG] New hold music for the customer facing asterisk IVR

[Adam Moffett]

How am I harmed if someone is creating and selling stinger antennas 
without license.
That's a different animal.  Presumably you lose a sale for every sale of 
the counterfeit unit.  Unauthorized public performances might raise 
awareness of an artist's work and conceivable /increase/ sales.  A radio 
station doesn't need license to play music on the air.  The artists and 
recording companies recognize that being on the radio makes them more 
popular and thus helps them sell tickets and/or recordings.  In theory, 
being on some Company's hold music should have the same effect.


Mind youI do my best to follow the law.  I even come to a complete 
stop at stop signs.  I encourage customers to follow the law as well, 
especially when I'm speaking as an agent of my employer.  I'm just 
pointing out that sometimes following the law feels silly.




On 10/2/2015 12:07 PM, ch...@wbmfg.com wrote:

I guess they are not harmed if they don’t know they were harmed.
But that is a practical tangible physical answer.
The theoretical answer is someone copying the intellectual property is 
a “market replacement” and they have suffered financial harm, they 
were damaged.
If they did not have access to the music (like we do now) other than 
going to the record store and buying the 45 RPM record they would not 
be able to get it.  In those days the control of the property was 
pretty easy.
Moreover, MOH is an offshoot of a public performance. Mazak got into 
hot water along with some of their customers in the early days of 
these IP wars too.  The artist deserves to be compensated for the use 
of their creation.  Just like a patent.
How am I harmed if someone is creating and selling stinger antennas 
without license.

*From:* Adam Moffett 
*Sent:* Friday, October 2, 2015 9:41 AM
*To:* af@afmug.com 
*Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] New hold music for the customer facing asterisk IVR
I had the same issue with some PBX customers.

I found a website full of public domain music and suggested they pick 
from it.  One customer was a church that recorded their own pianist 
playing some of those 18th century hymns that nobody owns anymore.


At the end of the day, if the customer told me to set up their Bob 
Marley CD as their hold music, then I did what they asked.  You can 
lead a horse to water, but you can't stop him from peeing in it.or 
something like that.




in theory, how is an artist is damaged by MOH?



On 10/2/2015 11:19 AM, Ken Hohhof wrote:
One of the struggles I have with hosted PBX customers is getting them 
to understand that MOH needs (in most cases) to be licensed.  The 
cost per track or for a subscription is usually pretty small, but the 
idea of shelling out any money at all seems to be a showstopper.  (Of 
course, their time and yours is free.)  Seriously, the owner of the 
business is spending time obsessing over it, but spending something 
like $129 for an unlimited subscription to a catalog of on hold music 
is too much money to do it legally?
My question is, if customers are spending so much time on hold they 
get sick of the stock Asterisk MOH, maybe you should do something 
about your hold times?  Or record your own content, like if you have 
radio commercials.  But really, the purpose of MOH is to be 
non-intrusive while telling the caller they have not been 
disconnected.  Not to compete with Pandora and Spotify.

Sorry, I realize this wasn’t really on topic.
*From:* ch...@wbmfg.com
*Sent:* Friday, October 02, 2015 9:47 AM
*To:* af@afmug.com 
*Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] New hold music for the customer facing 
asterisk IVR

Ha!
*From:* Eric Kuhnke 
*Sent:* Thursday, October 1, 2015 6:06 PM
*To:* af@afmug.com 
*Subject:* [AFMUG] New hold music for the customer facing asterisk IVR
(For anyone who thinks the path looks weird, this is the / of my voip 
server temporarily mounted as ~/voipserver/ via sshfs)


Image attached

Re: [AFMUG] New hold music for the customer facing asterisk IVR

[Jeremy]

Actually, radio stations do pay for non-exclusive rights to broadcast the
songs that they play.  They have their own licensing model similar to many
other types of broadcasts.

On Fri, Oct 2, 2015 at 10:15 AM, Adam Moffett  wrote:

> How am I harmed if someone is creating and selling stinger antennas
> without license.
>
> That's a different animal.  Presumably you lose a sale for every sale of
> the counterfeit unit.  Unauthorized public performances might raise
> awareness of an artist's work and conceivable *increase* sales.  A radio
> station doesn't need license to play music on the air.  The artists and
> recording companies recognize that being on the radio makes them more
> popular and thus helps them sell tickets and/or recordings.  In theory,
> being on some Company's hold music should have the same effect.
>
> Mind youI do my best to follow the law.  I even come to a complete
> stop at stop signs.  I encourage customers to follow the law as well,
> especially when I'm speaking as an agent of my employer.  I'm just pointing
> out that sometimes following the law feels silly.
>
>
>
> On 10/2/2015 12:07 PM, ch...@wbmfg.com wrote:
>
> I guess they are not harmed if they don’t know they were harmed.
> But that is a practical tangible physical answer.
>
> The theoretical answer is someone copying the intellectual property is a
> “market replacement” and they have suffered financial harm, they were
> damaged.
>
> If they did not have access to the music (like we do now) other than going
> to the record store and buying the 45 RPM record they would not be able to
> get it.  In those days the control of the property was pretty easy.
>
> Moreover, MOH is an offshoot of a public performance.  Mazak got into hot
> water along with some of their customers in the early days of these IP wars
> too.  The artist deserves to be compensated for the use of their creation.
> Just like a patent.
>
> How am I harmed if someone is creating and selling stinger antennas
> without license.
>
> *From:* Adam Moffett 
> *Sent:* Friday, October 2, 2015 9:41 AM
> *To:* af@afmug.com
> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] New hold music for the customer facing asterisk IVR
>
> I had the same issue with some PBX customers.
>
> I found a website full of public domain music and suggested they pick from
> it.  One customer was a church that recorded their own pianist playing some
> of those 18th century hymns that nobody owns anymore.
>
> At the end of the day, if the customer told me to set up their Bob Marley
> CD as their hold music, then I did what they asked.  You can lead a horse
> to water, but you can't stop him from peeing in it.or something like
> that.
>
>
>
> in theory, how is an artist is damaged by MOH?
>
>
>
> On 10/2/2015 11:19 AM, Ken Hohhof wrote:
>
> One of the struggles I have with hosted PBX customers is getting them to
> understand that MOH needs (in most cases) to be licensed.  The cost per
> track or for a subscription is usually pretty small, but the idea of
> shelling out any money at all seems to be a showstopper.  (Of course, their
> time and yours is free.)  Seriously, the owner of the business is spending
> time obsessing over it, but spending something like $129 for an unlimited
> subscription to a catalog of on hold music is too much money to do it
> legally?
>
> My question is, if customers are spending so much time on hold they get
> sick of the stock Asterisk MOH, maybe you should do something about your
> hold times?  Or record your own content, like if you have radio
> commercials.  But really, the purpose of MOH is to be non-intrusive while
> telling the caller they have not been disconnected.  Not to compete with
> Pandora and Spotify.
>
> Sorry, I realize this wasn’t really on topic.
>
>
> *From:* ch...@wbmfg.com
> *Sent:* Friday, October 02, 2015 9:47 AM
> *To:* af@afmug.com
> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] New hold music for the customer facing asterisk IVR
>
> Ha!
>
> *From:* Eric Kuhnke 
> *Sent:* Thursday, October 1, 2015 6:06 PM
> *To:* af@afmug.com
> *Subject:* [AFMUG] New hold music for the customer facing asterisk IVR
>
> (For anyone who thinks the path looks weird, this is the / of my voip
> server temporarily mounted as ~/voipserver/ via sshfs)
>
> Image attached
>
>
>
>
>

Re: [AFMUG] New hold music for the customer facing asterisk IVR

[Adam Moffett]

Good to know.  I had read awhile back that they didn't pay anything for 
use of the musicI guess you just can't trust internets.



On 10/2/2015 12:26 PM, Jeremy wrote:

Blanket licensing for radio stations:
http://entertainment.howstuffworks.com/music-licensing3.htm

On Fri, Oct 2, 2015 at 10:25 AM, Adam Moffett > wrote:


Case in point, which might even be back on the original topic, Is
Rick Astley damaged by "Rick Roll" videos?
He was out of the public eye for years until Rickrolling became a
thing on 4Chan and then suddenly the very next year he has a gig
in the Macy's Thanksgiving Parade.

On 10/2/2015 12:15 PM, Adam Moffett wrote:

How am I harmed if someone is creating and selling stinger
antennas without license.

That's a different animal.  Presumably you lose a sale for every
sale of the counterfeit unit. Unauthorized public performances
might raise awareness of an artist's work and conceivable
/increase/ sales.  A radio station doesn't need license to play
music on the air.  The artists and recording companies recognize
that being on the radio makes them more popular and thus helps
them sell tickets and/or recordings.  In theory, being on some
Company's hold music should have the same effect.

Mind youI do my best to follow the law.  I even come to a
complete stop at stop signs.  I encourage customers to follow the
law as well, especially when I'm speaking as an agent of my
employer.  I'm just pointing out that sometimes following the law
feels silly.



On 10/2/2015 12:07 PM, ch...@wbmfg.com 
wrote:

I guess they are not harmed if they don’t know they were harmed.
But that is a practical tangible physical answer.
The theoretical answer is someone copying the intellectual
property is a “market replacement” and they have suffered
financial harm, they were damaged.
If they did not have access to the music (like we do now) other
than going to the record store and buying the 45 RPM record they
would not be able to get it.  In those days the control of the
property was pretty easy.
Moreover, MOH is an offshoot of a public performance.  Mazak got
into hot water along with some of their customers in the early
days of these IP wars too.  The artist deserves to be
compensated for the use of their creation.  Just like a patent.
How am I harmed if someone is creating and selling stinger
antennas without license.
*From:* Adam Moffett 
*Sent:* Friday, October 2, 2015 9:41 AM
*To:* af@afmug.com 
*Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] New hold music for the customer facing
asterisk IVR
I had the same issue with some PBX customers.

I found a website full of public domain music and suggested they
pick from it.  One customer was a church that recorded their own
pianist playing some of those 18th century hymns that nobody
owns anymore.

At the end of the day, if the customer told me to set up their
Bob Marley CD as their hold music, then I did what they asked. 
You can lead a horse to water, but you can't stop him from

peeing in it.or something like that.



in theory, how is an artist is damaged by MOH?



On 10/2/2015 11:19 AM, Ken Hohhof wrote:

One of the struggles I have with hosted PBX customers is
getting them to understand that MOH needs (in most cases) to be
licensed.  The cost per track or for a subscription is usually
pretty small, but the idea of shelling out any money at all
seems to be a showstopper.  (Of course, their time and yours is
free.)  Seriously, the owner of the business is spending time
obsessing over it, but spending something like $129 for an
unlimited subscription to a catalog of on hold music is too
much money to do it legally?
My question is, if customers are spending so much time on hold
they get sick of the stock Asterisk MOH, maybe you should do
something about your hold times?  Or record your own content,
like if you have radio commercials.  But really, the purpose of
MOH is to be non-intrusive while telling the caller they have
not been disconnected.  Not to compete with Pandora and Spotify.
Sorry, I realize this wasn’t really on topic.
*From:* ch...@wbmfg.com 
*Sent:* Friday, October 02, 2015 9:47 AM
*To:* af@afmug.com 
*Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] New hold music for the customer facing
asterisk IVR
Ha!
*From:* Eric Kuhnke 
*Sent:* Thursday, October 1, 2015 6:06 PM
*To:* af@afmug.com 
*Subject:* [AFMUG] New hold music for the customer facing
asterisk IVR
(For anyone who thinks the path looks weird, this is the / of
my voip server temporarily 

Re: [AFMUG] New hold music for the customer facing asterisk IVR

[chuck]

I guess they are not harmed if they don’t know they were harmed.  
But that is a practical tangible physical answer.  

The theoretical answer is someone copying the intellectual property is a 
“market replacement” and they have suffered financial harm, they were damaged.  

If they did not have access to the music (like we do now) other than going to 
the record store and buying the 45 RPM record they would not be able to get it. 
 In those days the control of the property was pretty easy.  

Moreover, MOH is an offshoot of a public performance.  Mazak got into hot water 
along with some of their customers in the early days of these IP wars too.  The 
artist deserves to be compensated for the use of their creation.  Just like a 
patent.  

How am I harmed if someone is creating and selling stinger antennas without 
license.  

From: Adam Moffett 
Sent: Friday, October 2, 2015 9:41 AM
To: af@afmug.com 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] New hold music for the customer facing asterisk IVR

I had the same issue with some PBX customers.

I found a website full of public domain music and suggested they pick from it.  
One customer was a church that recorded their own pianist playing some of those 
18th century hymns that nobody owns anymore.  

At the end of the day, if the customer told me to set up their Bob Marley CD as 
their hold music, then I did what they asked.  You can lead a horse to water, 
but you can't stop him from peeing in it.or something like that.



in theory, how is an artist is damaged by MOH?




On 10/2/2015 11:19 AM, Ken Hohhof wrote:

  One of the struggles I have with hosted PBX customers is getting them to 
understand that MOH needs (in most cases) to be licensed.  The cost per track 
or for a subscription is usually pretty small, but the idea of shelling out any 
money at all seems to be a showstopper.  (Of course, their time and yours is 
free.)  Seriously, the owner of the business is spending time obsessing over 
it, but spending something like $129 for an unlimited subscription to a catalog 
of on hold music is too much money to do it legally?

  My question is, if customers are spending so much time on hold they get sick 
of the stock Asterisk MOH, maybe you should do something about your hold times? 
 Or record your own content, like if you have radio commercials.  But really, 
the purpose of MOH is to be non-intrusive while telling the caller they have 
not been disconnected.  Not to compete with Pandora and Spotify.

  Sorry, I realize this wasn’t really on topic.


  From: ch...@wbmfg.com 
  Sent: Friday, October 02, 2015 9:47 AM
  To: af@afmug.com 
  Subject: Re: [AFMUG] New hold music for the customer facing asterisk IVR

  Ha!

  From: Eric Kuhnke 
  Sent: Thursday, October 1, 2015 6:06 PM
  To: af@afmug.com 
  Subject: [AFMUG] New hold music for the customer facing asterisk IVR

  (For anyone who thinks the path looks weird, this is the / of my voip server 
temporarily mounted as ~/voipserver/ via sshfs)


  Image attached

Re: [AFMUG] New hold music for the customer facing asterisk IVR

[Jeremy]

Blanket licensing for radio stations:
http://entertainment.howstuffworks.com/music-licensing3.htm

On Fri, Oct 2, 2015 at 10:25 AM, Adam Moffett  wrote:

> Case in point, which might even be back on the original topic, Is Rick
> Astley damaged by "Rick Roll" videos?
> He was out of the public eye for years until Rickrolling became a thing on
> 4Chan and then suddenly the very next year he has a gig in the Macy's
> Thanksgiving Parade.
>
> On 10/2/2015 12:15 PM, Adam Moffett wrote:
>
> How am I harmed if someone is creating and selling stinger antennas
> without license.
>
> That's a different animal.  Presumably you lose a sale for every sale of
> the counterfeit unit.  Unauthorized public performances might raise
> awareness of an artist's work and conceivable *increase* sales.  A radio
> station doesn't need license to play music on the air.  The artists and
> recording companies recognize that being on the radio makes them more
> popular and thus helps them sell tickets and/or recordings.  In theory,
> being on some Company's hold music should have the same effect.
>
> Mind youI do my best to follow the law.  I even come to a complete
> stop at stop signs.  I encourage customers to follow the law as well,
> especially when I'm speaking as an agent of my employer.  I'm just pointing
> out that sometimes following the law feels silly.
>
>
>
> On 10/2/2015 12:07 PM, ch...@wbmfg.com wrote:
>
> I guess they are not harmed if they don’t know they were harmed.
> But that is a practical tangible physical answer.
>
> The theoretical answer is someone copying the intellectual property is a
> “market replacement” and they have suffered financial harm, they were
> damaged.
>
> If they did not have access to the music (like we do now) other than going
> to the record store and buying the 45 RPM record they would not be able to
> get it.  In those days the control of the property was pretty easy.
>
> Moreover, MOH is an offshoot of a public performance.  Mazak got into hot
> water along with some of their customers in the early days of these IP wars
> too.  The artist deserves to be compensated for the use of their creation.
> Just like a patent.
>
> How am I harmed if someone is creating and selling stinger antennas
> without license.
>
> *From:* Adam Moffett 
> *Sent:* Friday, October 2, 2015 9:41 AM
> *To:* af@afmug.com
> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] New hold music for the customer facing asterisk IVR
>
> I had the same issue with some PBX customers.
>
> I found a website full of public domain music and suggested they pick from
> it.  One customer was a church that recorded their own pianist playing some
> of those 18th century hymns that nobody owns anymore.
>
> At the end of the day, if the customer told me to set up their Bob Marley
> CD as their hold music, then I did what they asked.  You can lead a horse
> to water, but you can't stop him from peeing in it.or something like
> that.
>
>
>
> in theory, how is an artist is damaged by MOH?
>
>
>
> On 10/2/2015 11:19 AM, Ken Hohhof wrote:
>
> One of the struggles I have with hosted PBX customers is getting them to
> understand that MOH needs (in most cases) to be licensed.  The cost per
> track or for a subscription is usually pretty small, but the idea of
> shelling out any money at all seems to be a showstopper.  (Of course, their
> time and yours is free.)  Seriously, the owner of the business is spending
> time obsessing over it, but spending something like $129 for an unlimited
> subscription to a catalog of on hold music is too much money to do it
> legally?
>
> My question is, if customers are spending so much time on hold they get
> sick of the stock Asterisk MOH, maybe you should do something about your
> hold times?  Or record your own content, like if you have radio
> commercials.  But really, the purpose of MOH is to be non-intrusive while
> telling the caller they have not been disconnected.  Not to compete with
> Pandora and Spotify.
>
> Sorry, I realize this wasn’t really on topic.
>
>
> *From:* ch...@wbmfg.com
> *Sent:* Friday, October 02, 2015 9:47 AM
> *To:* af@afmug.com
> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] New hold music for the customer facing asterisk IVR
>
> Ha!
>
> *From:* Eric Kuhnke 
> *Sent:* Thursday, October 1, 2015 6:06 PM
> *To:* af@afmug.com
> *Subject:* [AFMUG] New hold music for the customer facing asterisk IVR
>
> (For anyone who thinks the path looks weird, this is the / of my voip
> server temporarily mounted as ~/voipserver/ via sshfs)
>
> Image attached
>
>
>
>
>
>

Re: [AFMUG] New hold music for the customer facing asterisk IVR

[Ken Hohhof]

One of the struggles I have with hosted PBX customers is getting them to 
understand that MOH needs (in most cases) to be licensed.  The cost per track 
or for a subscription is usually pretty small, but the idea of shelling out any 
money at all seems to be a showstopper.  (Of course, their time and yours is 
free.)  Seriously, the owner of the business is spending time obsessing over 
it, but spending something like $129 for an unlimited subscription to a catalog 
of on hold music is too much money to do it legally?

My question is, if customers are spending so much time on hold they get sick of 
the stock Asterisk MOH, maybe you should do something about your hold times?  
Or record your own content, like if you have radio commercials.  But really, 
the purpose of MOH is to be non-intrusive while telling the caller they have 
not been disconnected.  Not to compete with Pandora and Spotify.

Sorry, I realize this wasn’t really on topic.


From: ch...@wbmfg.com 
Sent: Friday, October 02, 2015 9:47 AM
To: af@afmug.com 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] New hold music for the customer facing asterisk IVR

Ha!

From: Eric Kuhnke 
Sent: Thursday, October 1, 2015 6:06 PM
To: af@afmug.com 
Subject: [AFMUG] New hold music for the customer facing asterisk IVR

(For anyone who thinks the path looks weird, this is the / of my voip server 
temporarily mounted as ~/voipserver/ via sshfs)


Image attached

Re: [AFMUG] New hold music for the customer facing asterisk IVR

[Adam Moffett]

I had the same issue with some PBX customers.

I found a website full of public domain music and suggested they pick 
from it.  One customer was a church that recorded their own pianist 
playing some of those 18th century hymns that nobody owns anymore.


At the end of the day, if the customer told me to set up their Bob 
Marley CD as their hold music, then I did what they asked.  You can lead 
a horse to water, but you can't stop him from peeing in it.or 
something like that.




in theory, how is an artist is damaged by MOH?



On 10/2/2015 11:19 AM, Ken Hohhof wrote:
One of the struggles I have with hosted PBX customers is getting them 
to understand that MOH needs (in most cases) to be licensed.  The cost 
per track or for a subscription is usually pretty small, but the idea 
of shelling out any money at all seems to be a showstopper.  (Of 
course, their time and yours is free.)  Seriously, the owner of the 
business is spending time obsessing over it, but spending something 
like $129 for an unlimited subscription to a catalog of on hold music 
is too much money to do it legally?
My question is, if customers are spending so much time on hold they 
get sick of the stock Asterisk MOH, maybe you should do something 
about your hold times?  Or record your own content, like if you have 
radio commercials.  But really, the purpose of MOH is to be 
non-intrusive while telling the caller they have not been 
disconnected.  Not to compete with Pandora and Spotify.

Sorry, I realize this wasn’t really on topic.
*From:* ch...@wbmfg.com 
*Sent:* Friday, October 02, 2015 9:47 AM
*To:* af@afmug.com 
*Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] New hold music for the customer facing asterisk IVR
Ha!
*From:* Eric Kuhnke 
*Sent:* Thursday, October 1, 2015 6:06 PM
*To:* af@afmug.com 
*Subject:* [AFMUG] New hold music for the customer facing asterisk IVR
(For anyone who thinks the path looks weird, this is the / of my voip 
server temporarily mounted as ~/voipserver/ via sshfs)


Image attached

Re: [AFMUG] New hold music for the customer facing asterisk IVR

[chuck]

This reminds me of college days.  Everyone was making copies of DOS. (And later 
WordPerfect) (and every thing else)  When I finally scraped up enough money for 
an XT, I bought DR-DOS and purchased a legit student version of WP from the 
actual WP distribution center in Orem, Utah.  

Got called a fool by my peers.  

I told them that I hoped to create software someday that someone will pay for.  
How can I  steal software and then expect to be paid for it in the future.  
Those holier than thou engineering student friends of mine at BYU did not have 
a retort.  They knew I was right.  

From: Ken Hohhof 
Sent: Friday, October 2, 2015 9:19 AM
To: af@afmug.com 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] New hold music for the customer facing asterisk IVR

One of the struggles I have with hosted PBX customers is getting them to 
understand that MOH needs (in most cases) to be licensed.  The cost per track 
or for a subscription is usually pretty small, but the idea of shelling out any 
money at all seems to be a showstopper.  (Of course, their time and yours is 
free.)  Seriously, the owner of the business is spending time obsessing over 
it, but spending something like $129 for an unlimited subscription to a catalog 
of on hold music is too much money to do it legally?

My question is, if customers are spending so much time on hold they get sick of 
the stock Asterisk MOH, maybe you should do something about your hold times?  
Or record your own content, like if you have radio commercials.  But really, 
the purpose of MOH is to be non-intrusive while telling the caller they have 
not been disconnected.  Not to compete with Pandora and Spotify.

Sorry, I realize this wasn’t really on topic.


From: ch...@wbmfg.com 
Sent: Friday, October 02, 2015 9:47 AM
To: af@afmug.com 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] New hold music for the customer facing asterisk IVR

Ha!

From: Eric Kuhnke 
Sent: Thursday, October 1, 2015 6:06 PM
To: af@afmug.com 
Subject: [AFMUG] New hold music for the customer facing asterisk IVR

(For anyone who thinks the path looks weird, this is the / of my voip server 
temporarily mounted as ~/voipserver/ via sshfs)


Image attached

Re: [AFMUG] New hold music for the customer facing asterisk IVR

[chuck]

Ha!

From: Eric Kuhnke 
Sent: Thursday, October 1, 2015 6:06 PM
To: af@afmug.com 
Subject: [AFMUG] New hold music for the customer facing asterisk IVR

(For anyone who thinks the path looks weird, this is the / of my voip server 
temporarily mounted as ~/voipserver/ via sshfs)


Image attached

Re: [AFMUG] New hold music for the customer facing asterisk IVR

[Adam Moffett]

Case in point, which might even be back on the original topic, Is Rick 
Astley damaged by "Rick Roll" videos?
He was out of the public eye for years until Rickrolling became a thing 
on 4Chan and then suddenly the very next year he has a gig in the Macy's 
Thanksgiving Parade.


On 10/2/2015 12:15 PM, Adam Moffett wrote:
How am I harmed if someone is creating and selling stinger antennas 
without license.
That's a different animal.  Presumably you lose a sale for every sale 
of the counterfeit unit.  Unauthorized public performances might raise 
awareness of an artist's work and conceivable /increase/ sales.  A 
radio station doesn't need license to play music on the air.  The 
artists and recording companies recognize that being on the radio 
makes them more popular and thus helps them sell tickets and/or 
recordings.  In theory, being on some Company's hold music should have 
the same effect.


Mind youI do my best to follow the law.  I even come to a complete 
stop at stop signs.  I encourage customers to follow the law as well, 
especially when I'm speaking as an agent of my employer.  I'm just 
pointing out that sometimes following the law feels silly.




On 10/2/2015 12:07 PM, ch...@wbmfg.com wrote:

I guess they are not harmed if they don’t know they were harmed.
But that is a practical tangible physical answer.
The theoretical answer is someone copying the intellectual property 
is a “market replacement” and they have suffered financial harm, they 
were damaged.
If they did not have access to the music (like we do now) other than 
going to the record store and buying the 45 RPM record they would not 
be able to get it.  In those days the control of the property was 
pretty easy.
Moreover, MOH is an offshoot of a public performance. Mazak got into 
hot water along with some of their customers in the early days of 
these IP wars too.  The artist deserves to be compensated for the use 
of their creation.  Just like a patent.
How am I harmed if someone is creating and selling stinger antennas 
without license.

*From:* Adam Moffett 
*Sent:* Friday, October 2, 2015 9:41 AM
*To:* af@afmug.com 
*Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] New hold music for the customer facing 
asterisk IVR

I had the same issue with some PBX customers.

I found a website full of public domain music and suggested they pick 
from it.  One customer was a church that recorded their own pianist 
playing some of those 18th century hymns that nobody owns anymore.


At the end of the day, if the customer told me to set up their Bob 
Marley CD as their hold music, then I did what they asked.  You can 
lead a horse to water, but you can't stop him from peeing in 
it.or something like that.




in theory, how is an artist is damaged by MOH?



On 10/2/2015 11:19 AM, Ken Hohhof wrote:
One of the struggles I have with hosted PBX customers is getting 
them to understand that MOH needs (in most cases) to be licensed.  
The cost per track or for a subscription is usually pretty small, 
but the idea of shelling out any money at all seems to be a 
showstopper.  (Of course, their time and yours is free.)  Seriously, 
the owner of the business is spending time obsessing over it, but 
spending something like $129 for an unlimited subscription to a 
catalog of on hold music is too much money to do it legally?
My question is, if customers are spending so much time on hold they 
get sick of the stock Asterisk MOH, maybe you should do something 
about your hold times?  Or record your own content, like if you have 
radio commercials.  But really, the purpose of MOH is to be 
non-intrusive while telling the caller they have not been 
disconnected.  Not to compete with Pandora and Spotify.

Sorry, I realize this wasn’t really on topic.
*From:* ch...@wbmfg.com
*Sent:* Friday, October 02, 2015 9:47 AM
*To:* af@afmug.com 
*Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] New hold music for the customer facing 
asterisk IVR

Ha!
*From:* Eric Kuhnke 
*Sent:* Thursday, October 1, 2015 6:06 PM
*To:* af@afmug.com 
*Subject:* [AFMUG] New hold music for the customer facing asterisk IVR
(For anyone who thinks the path looks weird, this is the / of my 
voip server temporarily mounted as ~/voipserver/ via sshfs)


Image attached

Re: [AFMUG] New hold music for the customer facing asterisk IVR

[Jaime Solorza]

Goes to character.   You and i have had off list discussions and your
advice of taking the high road has always proven best.   Like my ex
business partner cheating on wife caused problems which led to me parting
ways.  Wrong is wrong
On Oct 2, 2015 10:08 AM,  wrote:

> I guess they are not harmed if they don’t know they were harmed.
> But that is a practical tangible physical answer.
>
> The theoretical answer is someone copying the intellectual property is a
> “market replacement” and they have suffered financial harm, they were
> damaged.
>
> If they did not have access to the music (like we do now) other than going
> to the record store and buying the 45 RPM record they would not be able to
> get it.  In those days the control of the property was pretty easy.
>
> Moreover, MOH is an offshoot of a public performance.  Mazak got into hot
> water along with some of their customers in the early days of these IP wars
> too.  The artist deserves to be compensated for the use of their creation.
> Just like a patent.
>
> How am I harmed if someone is creating and selling stinger antennas
> without license.
>
> *From:* Adam Moffett 
> *Sent:* Friday, October 2, 2015 9:41 AM
> *To:* af@afmug.com
> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] New hold music for the customer facing asterisk IVR
>
> I had the same issue with some PBX customers.
>
> I found a website full of public domain music and suggested they pick from
> it.  One customer was a church that recorded their own pianist playing some
> of those 18th century hymns that nobody owns anymore.
>
> At the end of the day, if the customer told me to set up their Bob Marley
> CD as their hold music, then I did what they asked.  You can lead a horse
> to water, but you can't stop him from peeing in it.or something like
> that.
>
>
>
> in theory, how is an artist is damaged by MOH?
>
>
>
> On 10/2/2015 11:19 AM, Ken Hohhof wrote:
>
> One of the struggles I have with hosted PBX customers is getting them to
> understand that MOH needs (in most cases) to be licensed.  The cost per
> track or for a subscription is usually pretty small, but the idea of
> shelling out any money at all seems to be a showstopper.  (Of course, their
> time and yours is free.)  Seriously, the owner of the business is spending
> time obsessing over it, but spending something like $129 for an unlimited
> subscription to a catalog of on hold music is too much money to do it
> legally?
>
> My question is, if customers are spending so much time on hold they get
> sick of the stock Asterisk MOH, maybe you should do something about your
> hold times?  Or record your own content, like if you have radio
> commercials.  But really, the purpose of MOH is to be non-intrusive while
> telling the caller they have not been disconnected.  Not to compete with
> Pandora and Spotify.
>
> Sorry, I realize this wasn’t really on topic.
>
>
> *From:* ch...@wbmfg.com
> *Sent:* Friday, October 02, 2015 9:47 AM
> *To:* af@afmug.com
> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] New hold music for the customer facing asterisk IVR
>
> Ha!
>
> *From:* Eric Kuhnke 
> *Sent:* Thursday, October 1, 2015 6:06 PM
> *To:* af@afmug.com
> *Subject:* [AFMUG] New hold music for the customer facing asterisk IVR
>
> (For anyone who thinks the path looks weird, this is the / of my voip
> server temporarily mounted as ~/voipserver/ via sshfs)
>
> Image attached
>
>
>
>

Re: [AFMUG] And you thought gamers were grumpy about Latency Before

[Sterling Jacobson]

Yeah, that is the future right there.

The high requirements on video gaming are due to a complete shift in the 
approach.
Instead of the local machine rendering everything, you are basically just 
throwing pure video at the end device.
All game processing is on the server end.

Games are the vanguard; the rest will follow suit.

Until you no longer have a computer in your house, it's just all streamed video 
from the cloud.

-Original Message-
From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Christopher Tyler
Sent: Friday, October 2, 2015 10:40 AM
To: af@afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] And you thought gamers were grumpy about Latency Before

PlayStation 4 has been doing this for at least a year already, and I'd wager 
that the number of PS4 users on your network vastly outnumbers the Nvidia 
Shield users.

--
Christopher Tyler
MTCRE/MTCNA/MTCTCE/MTCWE
Total Highspeed Internet Services
417.851.1107

- Original Message -
From: "Nate Burke" 
To: "Animal Farm" 
Sent: Wednesday, September 30, 2015 4:59:06 PM
Subject: [AFMUG] And you thought gamers were grumpy about Latency Before

http://hothardware.com/news/nvidia-launches-geforce-now-game-streaming-service

No more Pesky Downloading games to your console, use the 'Netflix' of Video 
Games...

"To use GeForce NOW, you�ll need to meet a number of requirements. 
First, you�ll need an NVIDIA SHIELD Android TV, SHIELD portable, or SHIELD 
tablet (with the latest software updates installed) and a SHIELD-approved 5GHz 
router. The latest SHIELD Hub app from the Google Play store must be installed. 
And your broadband connection must offer download speeds of at least 12Mb/s. 
20Mb/s is recommended for 720p / 60 FPS quality, and 50Mb/s is recommended for 
1080p / 60 FPS. You must also have a 60ms or lower ping time to a GeForce NOW 
server, though 40ms or lower is recommended. "

I like how they refer to that as 'Broadband Connection' Sounds more like DIA to 
me, since it's continuous sustained traffic. I'm guessing buffering or caching 
video games doesn't work well.

Re: [AFMUG] And you thought gamers were grumpy about Latency Before

[Josh Luthman]

It'll bounce back and forth.

Morse code... To voice... To texting...

Josh Luthman
Office: 937-552-2340
Direct: 937-552-2343
1100 Wayne St
Suite 1337
Troy, OH 45373
On Oct 2, 2015 1:28 PM, "Sterling Jacobson"  wrote:

> Yeah, that is the future right there.
>
> The high requirements on video gaming are due to a complete shift in the
> approach.
> Instead of the local machine rendering everything, you are basically just
> throwing pure video at the end device.
> All game processing is on the server end.
>
> Games are the vanguard; the rest will follow suit.
>
> Until you no longer have a computer in your house, it's just all streamed
> video from the cloud.
>
> -Original Message-
> From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Christopher Tyler
> Sent: Friday, October 2, 2015 10:40 AM
> To: af@afmug.com
> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] And you thought gamers were grumpy about Latency
> Before
>
> PlayStation 4 has been doing this for at least a year already, and I'd
> wager that the number of PS4 users on your network vastly outnumbers the
> Nvidia Shield users.
>
> --
> Christopher Tyler
> MTCRE/MTCNA/MTCTCE/MTCWE
> Total Highspeed Internet Services
> 417.851.1107
>
> - Original Message -
> From: "Nate Burke" 
> To: "Animal Farm" 
> Sent: Wednesday, September 30, 2015 4:59:06 PM
> Subject: [AFMUG] And you thought gamers were grumpy about Latency Before
>
>
> http://hothardware.com/news/nvidia-launches-geforce-now-game-streaming-service
>
> No more Pesky Downloading games to your console, use the 'Netflix' of
> Video Games...
>
> "To use GeForce NOW, you�ll need to meet a number of requirements.
> First, you�ll need an NVIDIA SHIELD Android TV, SHIELD portable, or
> SHIELD tablet (with the latest software updates installed) and a
> SHIELD-approved 5GHz router. The latest SHIELD Hub app from the Google Play
> store must be installed. And your broadband connection must offer download
> speeds of at least 12Mb/s. 20Mb/s is recommended for 720p / 60 FPS quality,
> and 50Mb/s is recommended for 1080p / 60 FPS. You must also have a 60ms or
> lower ping time to a GeForce NOW server, though 40ms or lower is
> recommended. "
>
> I like how they refer to that as 'Broadband Connection' Sounds more like
> DIA to me, since it's continuous sustained traffic. I'm guessing buffering
> or caching video games doesn't work well.
>

Re: [AFMUG] Fall colors

[Jaime Solorza]

Thank you!!
On Oct 2, 2015 11:29 AM, "Sean Heskett"  wrote:

> I thought y'all might enjoy these pics :)

Re: [AFMUG] And you thought gamers were grumpy about Latency Before

[Mathew Howard]

I think there is a 7 day free trial or something like that for the
PlayStation service, but it said my home internet connection was too slow,
and it didn't seem like it was worth the bother of bringing my ps4 to the
office to try it.

On Fri, Oct 2, 2015 at 1:07 PM, Josh Luthman 
wrote:

> There are a handful of companies doing this.  I tried one when we talked
> about it last time.  It was OK - much better than I expected - but there's
> no way I would say it's comparable, even from my minimal gamer experience.
>
>
> Josh Luthman
> Office: 937-552-2340
> Direct: 937-552-2343
> 1100 Wayne St
> Suite 1337
> Troy, OH 45373
>
> On Fri, Oct 2, 2015 at 2:01 PM, Mathew Howard 
> wrote:
>
>> Yeah, Sony has been doing something similar on the Playstations for
>> awhile now... but I've never heard of anyone actually using it.
>>
>> On Fri, Oct 2, 2015 at 11:39 AM, Christopher Tyler <
>> ch...@totalhighspeed.net> wrote:
>>
>>> PlayStation 4 has been doing this for at least a year already, and I'd
>>> wager that the number of PS4 users on your network vastly outnumbers the
>>> Nvidia Shield users.
>>>
>>> --
>>> Christopher Tyler
>>> MTCRE/MTCNA/MTCTCE/MTCWE
>>> Total Highspeed Internet Services
>>> 417.851.1107
>>>
>>> - Original Message -
>>> From: "Nate Burke" 
>>> To: "Animal Farm" 
>>> Sent: Wednesday, September 30, 2015 4:59:06 PM
>>> Subject: [AFMUG] And you thought gamers were grumpy about Latency Before
>>>
>>>
>>> http://hothardware.com/news/nvidia-launches-geforce-now-game-streaming-service
>>>
>>> No more Pesky Downloading games to your console, use the 'Netflix' of
>>> Video Games...
>>>
>>> "To use GeForce NOW, you�ll need to meet a number of requirements.
>>> First, you�ll need an NVIDIA SHIELD Android TV, SHIELD portable, or
>>> SHIELD tablet (with the latest software updates installed) and a
>>> SHIELD-approved 5GHz router. The latest SHIELD Hub app from the Google
>>> Play store must be installed. And your broadband connection must offer
>>> download speeds of at least 12Mb/s. 20Mb/s is recommended for 720p / 60
>>> FPS quality, and 50Mb/s is recommended for 1080p / 60 FPS. You must also
>>> have a 60ms or lower ping time to a GeForce NOW server, though 40ms or
>>> lower is recommended. "
>>>
>>> I like how they refer to that as 'Broadband Connection' Sounds more like
>>> DIA to me, since it's continuous sustained traffic. I'm guessing
>>> buffering or caching video games doesn't work well.
>>>
>>
>>
>

Re: [AFMUG] New hold music for the customer facing asterisk IVR

[Ken Hohhof]

http://www.snapstream.com/

-Original Message- 
From: Adam Moffett 
Sent: Friday, October 02, 2015 11:51 AM 
To: af@afmug.com 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] New hold music for the customer facing asterisk IVR 


No, I didn't know that existed.  I think I want one now.

On 10/2/2015 12:46 PM, Ken Hohhof wrote:
As far as radio stations, they will get caught for not paying 
royalties.  You know the equipment that shows like Daily Show use to 
scan through recordings of past TV shows for stuff politicians or Fox 
News said?  Kind of like a DVR plus Google search?  I believe that 
technology was originally developed to police paying of copyright 
royalties.

Re: [AFMUG] New hold music for the customer facing asterisk IVR

[Jason McKemie]

Record companies and the RIAA are out of control. I have a small venue that
does mainly live original music. Because some of the artists *might* do a
cover here and there, I have to pay three different music licensing
companies a blanket fee based on capacity. There are also additional per
person amounts for charging a cover as well as dancing to live or recorded
music (I'm not sure how that falls under their perview). They threaten with
lawsuits unless you pay them - essentially extortion.  Interestingly, they
seem to not care nearly as much about DJs playing the artist's actual music
as much as a band covering it.

On Friday, October 2, 2015, Adam Moffett  wrote:

> How am I harmed if someone is creating and selling stinger antennas
> without license.
>
> That's a different animal.  Presumably you lose a sale for every sale of
> the counterfeit unit.  Unauthorized public performances might raise
> awareness of an artist's work and conceivable *increase* sales.  A radio
> station doesn't need license to play music on the air.  The artists and
> recording companies recognize that being on the radio makes them more
> popular and thus helps them sell tickets and/or recordings.  In theory,
> being on some Company's hold music should have the same effect.
>
> Mind youI do my best to follow the law.  I even come to a complete
> stop at stop signs.  I encourage customers to follow the law as well,
> especially when I'm speaking as an agent of my employer.  I'm just pointing
> out that sometimes following the law feels silly.
>
>
>
> On 10/2/2015 12:07 PM, ch...@wbmfg.com
>  wrote:
>
> I guess they are not harmed if they don’t know they were harmed.
> But that is a practical tangible physical answer.
>
> The theoretical answer is someone copying the intellectual property is a
> “market replacement” and they have suffered financial harm, they were
> damaged.
>
> If they did not have access to the music (like we do now) other than going
> to the record store and buying the 45 RPM record they would not be able to
> get it.  In those days the control of the property was pretty easy.
>
> Moreover, MOH is an offshoot of a public performance.  Mazak got into hot
> water along with some of their customers in the early days of these IP wars
> too.  The artist deserves to be compensated for the use of their creation.
> Just like a patent.
>
> How am I harmed if someone is creating and selling stinger antennas
> without license.
>
> *From:* Adam Moffett 
> *Sent:* Friday, October 2, 2015 9:41 AM
> *To:* af@afmug.com 
> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] New hold music for the customer facing asterisk IVR
>
> I had the same issue with some PBX customers.
>
> I found a website full of public domain music and suggested they pick from
> it.  One customer was a church that recorded their own pianist playing some
> of those 18th century hymns that nobody owns anymore.
>
> At the end of the day, if the customer told me to set up their Bob Marley
> CD as their hold music, then I did what they asked.  You can lead a horse
> to water, but you can't stop him from peeing in it.or something like
> that.
>
>
>
> in theory, how is an artist is damaged by MOH?
>
>
>
> On 10/2/2015 11:19 AM, Ken Hohhof wrote:
>
> One of the struggles I have with hosted PBX customers is getting them to
> understand that MOH needs (in most cases) to be licensed.  The cost per
> track or for a subscription is usually pretty small, but the idea of
> shelling out any money at all seems to be a showstopper.  (Of course, their
> time and yours is free.)  Seriously, the owner of the business is spending
> time obsessing over it, but spending something like $129 for an unlimited
> subscription to a catalog of on hold music is too much money to do it
> legally?
>
> My question is, if customers are spending so much time on hold they get
> sick of the stock Asterisk MOH, maybe you should do something about your
> hold times?  Or record your own content, like if you have radio
> commercials.  But really, the purpose of MOH is to be non-intrusive while
> telling the caller they have not been disconnected.  Not to compete with
> Pandora and Spotify.
>
> Sorry, I realize this wasn’t really on topic.
>
>
> *From:* ch...@wbmfg.com
> 
> *Sent:* Friday, October 02, 2015 9:47 AM
> *To:* af@afmug.com 
> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] New hold music for the customer facing asterisk IVR
>
> Ha!
>
> *From:* Eric Kuhnke
> 
> *Sent:* Thursday, October 1, 2015 6:06 PM
> *To:* af@afmug.com 
> *Subject:* [AFMUG] New hold music for the customer facing asterisk IVR
>
> (For anyone who 

Re: [AFMUG] And you thought gamers were grumpy about Latency Before

[Josh Luthman]

There are a handful of companies doing this.  I tried one when we talked
about it last time.  It was OK - much better than I expected - but there's
no way I would say it's comparable, even from my minimal gamer experience.


Josh Luthman
Office: 937-552-2340
Direct: 937-552-2343
1100 Wayne St
Suite 1337
Troy, OH 45373

On Fri, Oct 2, 2015 at 2:01 PM, Mathew Howard  wrote:

> Yeah, Sony has been doing something similar on the Playstations for awhile
> now... but I've never heard of anyone actually using it.
>
> On Fri, Oct 2, 2015 at 11:39 AM, Christopher Tyler <
> ch...@totalhighspeed.net> wrote:
>
>> PlayStation 4 has been doing this for at least a year already, and I'd
>> wager that the number of PS4 users on your network vastly outnumbers the
>> Nvidia Shield users.
>>
>> --
>> Christopher Tyler
>> MTCRE/MTCNA/MTCTCE/MTCWE
>> Total Highspeed Internet Services
>> 417.851.1107
>>
>> - Original Message -
>> From: "Nate Burke" 
>> To: "Animal Farm" 
>> Sent: Wednesday, September 30, 2015 4:59:06 PM
>> Subject: [AFMUG] And you thought gamers were grumpy about Latency Before
>>
>>
>> http://hothardware.com/news/nvidia-launches-geforce-now-game-streaming-service
>>
>> No more Pesky Downloading games to your console, use the 'Netflix' of
>> Video Games...
>>
>> "To use GeForce NOW, you�ll need to meet a number of requirements.
>> First, you�ll need an NVIDIA SHIELD Android TV, SHIELD portable, or
>> SHIELD tablet (with the latest software updates installed) and a
>> SHIELD-approved 5GHz router. The latest SHIELD Hub app from the Google
>> Play store must be installed. And your broadband connection must offer
>> download speeds of at least 12Mb/s. 20Mb/s is recommended for 720p / 60
>> FPS quality, and 50Mb/s is recommended for 1080p / 60 FPS. You must also
>> have a 60ms or lower ping time to a GeForce NOW server, though 40ms or
>> lower is recommended. "
>>
>> I like how they refer to that as 'Broadband Connection' Sounds more like
>> DIA to me, since it's continuous sustained traffic. I'm guessing
>> buffering or caching video games doesn't work well.
>>
>
>

Re: [AFMUG] Fall colors

[Sean Heskett]

Mmm corn!

On Friday, October 2, 2015, Josh Luthman 
wrote:

> Very nice!  Here's our corn.
>
> Josh Luthman
> Office: 937-552-2340
> Direct: 937-552-2343
> 1100 Wayne St
> Suite 1337
> Troy, OH 45373
> On Oct 2, 2015 1:38 PM, "Jaime Solorza"  > wrote:
>
>> Thank you!!
>> On Oct 2, 2015 11:29 AM, "Sean Heskett" > > wrote:
>>
>>> I thought y'all might enjoy these pics :)
>>
>>

Re: [AFMUG] And you thought gamers were grumpy about Latency Before

[Christopher Tyler]

PlayStation actually does this in two ways right now, share play and online 
game rentals.

They both stream the video to you and the controls back to the server. Whereas 
share play is a P2P connection between two private PlayStation's, the rentals 
are connecting to Sony's servers.

I've done share play and it works well even in reaction intensive games like 
Call of Duty. In my opinion I feel the prices for online rentals are too high, 
so I don't participate in that racket. They rent by the hour, day, week, etc.

-- 
Christopher Tyler 
MTCRE/MTCNA/MTCTCE/MTCWE 
Total Highspeed Internet Services 
417.851.1107

- Original Message -
From: "Mathew Howard" 
To: "af" 
Sent: Friday, October 2, 2015 1:01:11 PM
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] And you thought gamers were grumpy about Latency Before

Yeah, Sony has been doing something similar on the Playstations for awhile
now... but I've never heard of anyone actually using it.

On Fri, Oct 2, 2015 at 11:39 AM, Christopher Tyler  wrote:

> PlayStation 4 has been doing this for at least a year already, and I'd
> wager that the number of PS4 users on your network vastly outnumbers the
> Nvidia Shield users.
>
> --
> Christopher Tyler
> MTCRE/MTCNA/MTCTCE/MTCWE
> Total Highspeed Internet Services
> 417.851.1107
>
> - Original Message -
> From: "Nate Burke" 
> To: "Animal Farm" 
> Sent: Wednesday, September 30, 2015 4:59:06 PM
> Subject: [AFMUG] And you thought gamers were grumpy about Latency Before
>
>
> http://hothardware.com/news/nvidia-launches-geforce-now-game-streaming-service
>
> No more Pesky Downloading games to your console, use the 'Netflix' of
> Video Games...
>
> "To use GeForce NOW, you�ll need to meet a number of requirements.
> First, you�ll need an NVIDIA SHIELD Android TV, SHIELD portable, or
> SHIELD tablet (with the latest software updates installed) and a
> SHIELD-approved 5GHz router. The latest SHIELD Hub app from the Google
> Play store must be installed. And your broadband connection must offer
> download speeds of at least 12Mb/s. 20Mb/s is recommended for 720p / 60
> FPS quality, and 50Mb/s is recommended for 1080p / 60 FPS. You must also
> have a 60ms or lower ping time to a GeForce NOW server, though 40ms or
> lower is recommended. "
>
> I like how they refer to that as 'Broadband Connection' Sounds more like
> DIA to me, since it's continuous sustained traffic. I'm guessing
> buffering or caching video games doesn't work well.
>

Re: [AFMUG] Fall colors

[Josh Luthman]

Couple of rows are down in various fields.  Some are completely harvested.
It seemed like yesterday it was barely up to my knees and now it's golden
yellow!


Josh Luthman
Office: 937-552-2340
Direct: 937-552-2343
1100 Wayne St
Suite 1337
Troy, OH 45373

On Fri, Oct 2, 2015 at 2:12 PM, Sean Heskett  wrote:

> Mmm corn!
>
> On Friday, October 2, 2015, Josh Luthman 
> wrote:
>
>> Very nice!  Here's our corn.
>>
>> Josh Luthman
>> Office: 937-552-2340
>> Direct: 937-552-2343
>> 1100 Wayne St
>> Suite 1337
>> Troy, OH 45373
>> On Oct 2, 2015 1:38 PM, "Jaime Solorza" 
>> wrote:
>>
>>> Thank you!!
>>> On Oct 2, 2015 11:29 AM, "Sean Heskett"  wrote:
>>>
 I thought y'all might enjoy these pics :)
>>>
>>>

Re: [AFMUG] New hold music for the customer facing asterisk IVR

[Ken Hohhof]

It is mainly the songwriters who are harmed.  This is the only way songwriters 
make money.  And you are mistaken that radio stations don’t pay royalties.  
They don’t pay the artist for the recording, but they pay a few cents for the 
song copyright (usually via BMA or ASCAP).  How do singer/songwriters like 
Taylor Swift make so much money?  They may not make a ton from performances, 
but they also get paid for the songs.

MOH has to pay for both the copyright and the performance, unless the song is 
in the public domain.

>From my perspective, I worry when I own the PBX that is hosting the customer’s 
>MOH.  I don’t want to pay a lawyer to defend against a copyright lawsuit.  I 
>want the customer to show me they have a license for their MOH before I’ll 
>load it on the PBX.  I’m not going to police what they do on their own 
>equipment, but don’t make me complicit in your unlawful activities.

As far as radio stations, they will get caught for not paying royalties.  You 
know the equipment that shows like Daily Show use to scan through recordings of 
past TV shows for stuff politicians or Fox News said?  Kind of like a DVR plus 
Google search?  I believe that technology was originally developed to police 
paying of copyright royalties.


From: Adam Moffett 
Sent: Friday, October 02, 2015 11:15 AM
To: af@afmug.com 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] New hold music for the customer facing asterisk IVR

  How am I harmed if someone is creating and selling stinger antennas without 
license.  
That's a different animal.  Presumably you lose a sale for every sale of the 
counterfeit unit.  Unauthorized public performances might raise awareness of an 
artist's work and conceivable increase sales.  A radio station doesn't need 
license to play music on the air.  The artists and recording companies 
recognize that being on the radio makes them more popular and thus helps them 
sell tickets and/or recordings.  In theory, being on some Company's hold music 
should have the same effect. 

Mind youI do my best to follow the law.  I even come to a complete stop at 
stop signs.  I encourage customers to follow the law as well, especially when 
I'm speaking as an agent of my employer.  I'm just pointing out that sometimes 
following the law feels silly.  




On 10/2/2015 12:07 PM, ch...@wbmfg.com wrote:

  I guess they are not harmed if they don’t know they were harmed.  
  But that is a practical tangible physical answer.  

  The theoretical answer is someone copying the intellectual property is a 
“market replacement” and they have suffered financial harm, they were damaged.  

  If they did not have access to the music (like we do now) other than going to 
the record store and buying the 45 RPM record they would not be able to get it. 
 In those days the control of the property was pretty easy.  

  Moreover, MOH is an offshoot of a public performance.  Mazak got into hot 
water along with some of their customers in the early days of these IP wars 
too.  The artist deserves to be compensated for the use of their creation.  
Just like a patent.  

  How am I harmed if someone is creating and selling stinger antennas without 
license.  

  From: Adam Moffett 
  Sent: Friday, October 2, 2015 9:41 AM
  To: af@afmug.com 
  Subject: Re: [AFMUG] New hold music for the customer facing asterisk IVR

  I had the same issue with some PBX customers.

  I found a website full of public domain music and suggested they pick from 
it.  One customer was a church that recorded their own pianist playing some of 
those 18th century hymns that nobody owns anymore.  

  At the end of the day, if the customer told me to set up their Bob Marley CD 
as their hold music, then I did what they asked.  You can lead a horse to 
water, but you can't stop him from peeing in it.or something like that.



  in theory, how is an artist is damaged by MOH?




  On 10/2/2015 11:19 AM, Ken Hohhof wrote:

One of the struggles I have with hosted PBX customers is getting them to 
understand that MOH needs (in most cases) to be licensed.  The cost per track 
or for a subscription is usually pretty small, but the idea of shelling out any 
money at all seems to be a showstopper.  (Of course, their time and yours is 
free.)  Seriously, the owner of the business is spending time obsessing over 
it, but spending something like $129 for an unlimited subscription to a catalog 
of on hold music is too much money to do it legally?

My question is, if customers are spending so much time on hold they get 
sick of the stock Asterisk MOH, maybe you should do something about your hold 
times?  Or record your own content, like if you have radio commercials.  But 
really, the purpose of MOH is to be non-intrusive while telling the caller they 
have not been disconnected.  Not to compete with Pandora and Spotify.

Sorry, I realize this wasn’t really on topic.


From: ch...@wbmfg.com 
Sent: Friday, October 02, 2015 9:47 AM
To: af@afmug.com 

Re: [AFMUG] New hold music for the customer facing asterisk IVR

[Adam Moffett]

No, I didn't know that existed.  I think I want one now.

On 10/2/2015 12:46 PM, Ken Hohhof wrote:
As far as radio stations, they will get caught for not paying 
royalties.  You know the equipment that shows like Daily Show use to 
scan through recordings of past TV shows for stuff politicians or Fox 
News said?  Kind of like a DVR plus Google search?  I believe that 
technology was originally developed to police paying of copyright 
royalties.

Re: [AFMUG] And you thought gamers were grumpy about Latency Before

[Christopher Tyler]

PlayStation 4 has been doing this for at least a year already, and I'd wager 
that the number of PS4 users on your network vastly outnumbers the Nvidia 
Shield users.

-- 
Christopher Tyler 
MTCRE/MTCNA/MTCTCE/MTCWE 
Total Highspeed Internet Services 
417.851.1107

- Original Message -
From: "Nate Burke" 
To: "Animal Farm" 
Sent: Wednesday, September 30, 2015 4:59:06 PM
Subject: [AFMUG] And you thought gamers were grumpy about Latency Before

http://hothardware.com/news/nvidia-launches-geforce-now-game-streaming-service

No more Pesky Downloading games to your console, use the 'Netflix' of 
Video Games...

"To use GeForce NOW, you�ll need to meet a number of requirements. 
First, you�ll need an NVIDIA SHIELD Android TV, SHIELD portable, or 
SHIELD tablet (with the latest software updates installed) and a 
SHIELD-approved 5GHz router. The latest SHIELD Hub app from the Google 
Play store must be installed. And your broadband connection must offer 
download speeds of at least 12Mb/s. 20Mb/s is recommended for 720p / 60 
FPS quality, and 50Mb/s is recommended for 1080p / 60 FPS. You must also 
have a 60ms or lower ping time to a GeForce NOW server, though 40ms or 
lower is recommended. "

I like how they refer to that as 'Broadband Connection' Sounds more like 
DIA to me, since it's continuous sustained traffic. I'm guessing 
buffering or caching video games doesn't work well.

Re: [AFMUG] Fall colors

[Sterling Jacobson]

Nice!

From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Sean Heskett
Sent: Friday, October 2, 2015 11:29 AM
To: af@afmug.com; memb...@wispa.org
Subject: [AFMUG] Fall colors

I thought y'all might enjoy these pics :)

Re: [AFMUG] And you thought gamers were grumpy about Latency Before

[Mathew Howard]

Yeah, Sony has been doing something similar on the Playstations for awhile
now... but I've never heard of anyone actually using it.

On Fri, Oct 2, 2015 at 11:39 AM, Christopher Tyler  wrote:

> PlayStation 4 has been doing this for at least a year already, and I'd
> wager that the number of PS4 users on your network vastly outnumbers the
> Nvidia Shield users.
>
> --
> Christopher Tyler
> MTCRE/MTCNA/MTCTCE/MTCWE
> Total Highspeed Internet Services
> 417.851.1107
>
> - Original Message -
> From: "Nate Burke" 
> To: "Animal Farm" 
> Sent: Wednesday, September 30, 2015 4:59:06 PM
> Subject: [AFMUG] And you thought gamers were grumpy about Latency Before
>
>
> http://hothardware.com/news/nvidia-launches-geforce-now-game-streaming-service
>
> No more Pesky Downloading games to your console, use the 'Netflix' of
> Video Games...
>
> "To use GeForce NOW, you�ll need to meet a number of requirements.
> First, you�ll need an NVIDIA SHIELD Android TV, SHIELD portable, or
> SHIELD tablet (with the latest software updates installed) and a
> SHIELD-approved 5GHz router. The latest SHIELD Hub app from the Google
> Play store must be installed. And your broadband connection must offer
> download speeds of at least 12Mb/s. 20Mb/s is recommended for 720p / 60
> FPS quality, and 50Mb/s is recommended for 1080p / 60 FPS. You must also
> have a 60ms or lower ping time to a GeForce NOW server, though 40ms or
> lower is recommended. "
>
> I like how they refer to that as 'Broadband Connection' Sounds more like
> DIA to me, since it's continuous sustained traffic. I'm guessing
> buffering or caching video games doesn't work well.
>

Re: [AFMUG] New hold music for the customer facing asterisk IVR

[Mathew Howard]

The way I look at it, if someone makes something, whether it's music,
antenna design, or whatever and says that they want to be paid if I use it,
they should be paid. If it's worth using, it's worth paying for - if it's
not worth paying what they want for it, then there's most likely a cheaper
or free alternative.

On Fri, Oct 2, 2015 at 11:34 AM, Jaime Solorza 
wrote:

> Goes to character.   You and i have had off list discussions and your
> advice of taking the high road has always proven best.   Like my ex
> business partner cheating on wife caused problems which led to me parting
> ways.  Wrong is wrong
> On Oct 2, 2015 10:08 AM,  wrote:
>
>> I guess they are not harmed if they don’t know they were harmed.
>> But that is a practical tangible physical answer.
>>
>> The theoretical answer is someone copying the intellectual property is a
>> “market replacement” and they have suffered financial harm, they were
>> damaged.
>>
>> If they did not have access to the music (like we do now) other than
>> going to the record store and buying the 45 RPM record they would not be
>> able to get it.  In those days the control of the property was pretty
>> easy.
>>
>> Moreover, MOH is an offshoot of a public performance.  Mazak got into hot
>> water along with some of their customers in the early days of these IP wars
>> too.  The artist deserves to be compensated for the use of their creation.
>> Just like a patent.
>>
>> How am I harmed if someone is creating and selling stinger antennas
>> without license.
>>
>> *From:* Adam Moffett 
>> *Sent:* Friday, October 2, 2015 9:41 AM
>> *To:* af@afmug.com
>> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] New hold music for the customer facing asterisk
>> IVR
>>
>> I had the same issue with some PBX customers.
>>
>> I found a website full of public domain music and suggested they pick
>> from it.  One customer was a church that recorded their own pianist playing
>> some of those 18th century hymns that nobody owns anymore.
>>
>> At the end of the day, if the customer told me to set up their Bob Marley
>> CD as their hold music, then I did what they asked.  You can lead a horse
>> to water, but you can't stop him from peeing in it.or something like
>> that.
>>
>>
>>
>> in theory, how is an artist is damaged by MOH?
>>
>>
>>
>> On 10/2/2015 11:19 AM, Ken Hohhof wrote:
>>
>> One of the struggles I have with hosted PBX customers is getting them to
>> understand that MOH needs (in most cases) to be licensed.  The cost per
>> track or for a subscription is usually pretty small, but the idea of
>> shelling out any money at all seems to be a showstopper.  (Of course, their
>> time and yours is free.)  Seriously, the owner of the business is spending
>> time obsessing over it, but spending something like $129 for an unlimited
>> subscription to a catalog of on hold music is too much money to do it
>> legally?
>>
>> My question is, if customers are spending so much time on hold they get
>> sick of the stock Asterisk MOH, maybe you should do something about your
>> hold times?  Or record your own content, like if you have radio
>> commercials.  But really, the purpose of MOH is to be non-intrusive while
>> telling the caller they have not been disconnected.  Not to compete with
>> Pandora and Spotify.
>>
>> Sorry, I realize this wasn’t really on topic.
>>
>>
>> *From:* ch...@wbmfg.com
>> *Sent:* Friday, October 02, 2015 9:47 AM
>> *To:* af@afmug.com
>> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] New hold music for the customer facing asterisk
>> IVR
>>
>> Ha!
>>
>> *From:* Eric Kuhnke 
>> *Sent:* Thursday, October 1, 2015 6:06 PM
>> *To:* af@afmug.com
>> *Subject:* [AFMUG] New hold music for the customer facing asterisk IVR
>>
>> (For anyone who thinks the path looks weird, this is the / of my voip
>> server temporarily mounted as ~/voipserver/ via sshfs)
>>
>> Image attached
>>
>>
>>
>>

Re: [AFMUG] [WISPA Members] come on apple...what cha doin?

[Josh Luthman]

The problem with that is that the caching server usually doesn't get the
update until DAYS after the launch to the masses.


Josh Luthman
Office: 937-552-2340
Direct: 937-552-2343
1100 Wayne St
Suite 1337
Troy, OH 45373

On Fri, Oct 2, 2015 at 2:17 PM, Sean Heskett  wrote:

> You could set up one of these
> https://www.apple.com/support/osxserver/cachingservice/
>
>
>
> On Friday, October 2, 2015, CBB - Jay Fuller 
> wrote:
>
>>
>>
>> Seeing a lot of traffic going to 17.253.7.202in fact about six
>> customers are pulling full speed from this site.
>> it comes back to Apple.  Are they sending out an update or something?
>> It's all download...
>>
>>
>>
>

Re: [AFMUG] And you thought gamers were grumpy about Latency Before

[That One Guy /sarcasm]

heh like skype on cellphones

On Fri, Oct 2, 2015 at 1:01 PM, Mathew Howard  wrote:

> Yeah, Sony has been doing something similar on the Playstations for awhile
> now... but I've never heard of anyone actually using it.
>
> On Fri, Oct 2, 2015 at 11:39 AM, Christopher Tyler <
> ch...@totalhighspeed.net> wrote:
>
>> PlayStation 4 has been doing this for at least a year already, and I'd
>> wager that the number of PS4 users on your network vastly outnumbers the
>> Nvidia Shield users.
>>
>> --
>> Christopher Tyler
>> MTCRE/MTCNA/MTCTCE/MTCWE
>> Total Highspeed Internet Services
>> 417.851.1107
>>
>> - Original Message -
>> From: "Nate Burke" 
>> To: "Animal Farm" 
>> Sent: Wednesday, September 30, 2015 4:59:06 PM
>> Subject: [AFMUG] And you thought gamers were grumpy about Latency Before
>>
>>
>> http://hothardware.com/news/nvidia-launches-geforce-now-game-streaming-service
>>
>> No more Pesky Downloading games to your console, use the 'Netflix' of
>> Video Games...
>>
>> "To use GeForce NOW, you�ll need to meet a number of requirements.
>> First, you�ll need an NVIDIA SHIELD Android TV, SHIELD portable, or
>> SHIELD tablet (with the latest software updates installed) and a
>> SHIELD-approved 5GHz router. The latest SHIELD Hub app from the Google
>> Play store must be installed. And your broadband connection must offer
>> download speeds of at least 12Mb/s. 20Mb/s is recommended for 720p / 60
>> FPS quality, and 50Mb/s is recommended for 1080p / 60 FPS. You must also
>> have a 60ms or lower ping time to a GeForce NOW server, though 40ms or
>> lower is recommended. "
>>
>> I like how they refer to that as 'Broadband Connection' Sounds more like
>> DIA to me, since it's continuous sustained traffic. I'm guessing
>> buffering or caching video games doesn't work well.
>>
>
>


-- 
If you only see yourself as part of the team but you don't see your team as
part of yourself you have already failed as part of the team.

Re: [AFMUG] [WISPA Members] come on apple...what cha doin?

[Sean Heskett]

You could set up one of these
https://www.apple.com/support/osxserver/cachingservice/



On Friday, October 2, 2015, CBB - Jay Fuller 
wrote:

>
>
> Seeing a lot of traffic going to 17.253.7.202in fact about six
> customers are pulling full speed from this site.
> it comes back to Apple.  Are they sending out an update or something?
> It's all download...
>
>
>

Re: [AFMUG] simple online traceroute monitoring

[Sterling Jacobson]

That would be cool to check from the outside, but wouldn’t that require their 
router to have ICMP open?

That’s not often the default on most home routers, right?

It’s so simple to provision and use a hosted VM these days, that it’s probably 
just the way to go.

I mean for $50 a month you can get a full instance of Windows from Amazon 
hosted services that includes Office too!



From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of That One Guy /sarcasm
Sent: Friday, October 2, 2015 12:31 PM
To: af@afmug.com
Subject: [AFMUG] simple online traceroute monitoring

I use a couple products, pingploter and multiping to monitor outbound paths, 
latency and loss. I'm looking for a simple online product to do the same. 
Everything I find seems geared to full website monitoring like monitis and 
whatnot. Any recommendations beyond ordering some hosted space and installing 
the two apps I use to monitor and alert inbound connectivity issues?
This is primarily for monitoring problem customers why complain about latency 
and loss not really visible from inside our network to them.

--
If you only see yourself as part of the team but you don't see your team as 
part of yourself you have already failed as part of the team.

Re: [AFMUG] National Broadband Map

[Brian Webster]

Since the FCC has yet to release any of the 477 public data, you could easily 
send the state your census blocks file. They would at least keep the state map 
updated that way. They can easily process that same file.

 

Thank You,

Brian Webster

214 Eggleston Hill Rd.

Cooperstown, NY 13326

(607) 643-4055 Office

(607) 435-3988 Mobile

(208) 692-1898 Fax
Skype: Radiowebst

www.wirelessmapping.com

www.Broadband-Mapping.com

 

From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Jeremy
Sent: Friday, October 02, 2015 10:14 AM
To: af@afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] National Broadband Map

 

Our state (Utah) has allocated funds and is continuing the Utah Broadband 
Mapping Initiative (brodband.utah.gov/map/).  They called me recently for a map 
update.  I mentioned that it is all on the 477 map now and she said they were 
continuing to update the local map independently of the 477 map.  

 

On Fri, Oct 2, 2015 at 6:12 AM, Brian Webster  wrote:

The National Broadband Map program was funded through the ARRA program and was 
under the control of the NTIA. That grant funding did not get renewed so as of 
the end of 2014 that state and national broadband map program stopped. The 
solution to continue to collect broadband deployment data was rolled in to the 
FCC form 477 program. That is where you have the new additional requirement to 
report not only your customer my census tract, but that you now have to report 
by law your service areas by census block. The census block service area data 
will become public information but your customer tract data still remains 
protected under NDA.

 

If the FCC only has one person on the mapping program that would explain why 
you all seem to get notices so long after a filing if there are issues AND it 
also explains why there have been to releases to date of the block level 
coverage data for carriers by the FCC. That means the most current broadband 
deployment data available is from the national broadband map and that last 
round of data was collected and turned in to the NTIA in September of last 
year. That data has been published.

 

Some states have continued to work on their mapping programs by requesting from 
carriers their latest 477 block level data, but there is no national effort to 
do so outside of the FCC.

 

Thank You,

Brian Webster

www.wirelessmapping.com

www.Broadband-Mapping.com

 

From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Ty Featherling
Sent: Thursday, October 01, 2015 10:10 AM
To: af@afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] National Broadband Map

 

I bet Brian Webster could shine a little light on it.

 

-Ty

 

On Wed, Sep 30, 2015 at 9:07 PM, CBB - Jay Fuller  
wrote:

 

Ok - two articles that I read today both cite the national broadband map for 
"information".

I wanted to pass along some information I received in a state of Alabama 
broadband meeting / briefing today.

 

At a conference recently an Alabama state staffer discussed with personnel from 
the FCC the National Broadband Map.

Staffer was told the fcc currently had *one* employee working on that map and 
to not expect it to be updated anytime soon.

 

There was, and I quote, "little to no funding..." for the project.

 

FYI.

grain of salt.

take it or leave it.

 

 

- Original Message - 

From: Ken Hohhof   

To: af@afmug.com 

Sent: Wednesday, September 30, 2015 8:28 PM

Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Any of you guys service this guy in the news?

 

Ouch, that Farm Futures article is pretty awful.  Probably what passes for 
journalism today.

I hope you weren't too harsh on her.  Probably some gig economy writer paid 
a penny a word or something?


-Original Message- 
From: Rick Harnish
Sent: Wednesday, September 30, 2015 6:56 PM
To: af@afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Any of you guys service this guy in the news?

I contacted Peter Maher at Netwurx about the article.  They are close. 
Maybe that is who Matthew Howard works for.

http://www.netwurx.net/wireless-high-speed

I also wrote an email to Jessica Michael at Farm Futures about her lack of 
knowledge about the Wisp industry yesterday.  I haven't heard back from her 
yet.

http://farmfutures.com/blogs-rural-internet-options-smart-office-10241

Respectfully,

Rick Harnish
Broadband Consultant & Industry Analyst
260-307-4000 cell
Skype: rick.harnish.Twitter: 
@rharnish


> -Original Message-
> From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Steve
> Sent: Wednesday, September 30, 2015 7:43 PM
> To: af@afmug.com
> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Any of you guys service this guy in the news?
>
> Contact Ars... have them update the site saying that Wireless can solve a 
> lot
> of these problems for a fraction of the price.   It'll be a good piece 
> they can do
> on the wireless industry.  Find the name of the guy who wrote the article.
> ahhh his email is  jon.brod...@arstechnica.com
>
>
>
> - Original Message -
> From: 

Re: [AFMUG] [WISPA Members] come on apple...what cha doin?

[Brett A Mansfield]

Yes, it captures it through dns. You do not need to register it with Apple. 

For Windows, you can use something like IPcop. It will cache from many servers 
and websites including updates. But I haven't actually played with it.

Thank you,
Brett A Mansfield

> On Oct 2, 2015, at 2:25 PM, Sean Heskett  wrote:
> 
> i believe to do it on an ISP network you just have to redirect the DNS 
> entries that OS X and iOS use for the update servers.  nothing to change on 
> the client side.
> 
> I'd recommend a few of them for redundancy.
> 
> i thought microsoft had something similar but i'm not sure.
> 
>> On Fri, Oct 2, 2015 at 2:15 PM, Paul McCall  wrote:
>> So, how does it “flow”?  …   You have to register the server with Apple 
>> (along with doing the DNS record), and they do the redirecting of your 
>> customers to “your” server?
>> 
>>  
>> 
>> From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Brett A Mansfield
>> Sent: Friday, October 02, 2015 3:41 PM
>> To: af@afmug.com
>> 
>> 
>> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] [WISPA Members] come on apple...what cha doin?
>>  
>> 
>> if you get the Mac mini, replace the drive. The spindle drive is a serious 
>> bottleneck. Even if you don't, it can handle my entire customer base (though 
>> very small) without any performance issues. About 140 customers. Most of 
>> them are very big on Apple. I would recommend putting in a few for larger 
>> networks. If one is at capacity or down, another one will take over for it 
>> automatically. 
>> 
>> Thank you,
>> 
>> Brett A Mansfield
>> 
>> 
>> On Oct 2, 2015, at 1:16 PM, Cassidy B. Larson  wrote:
>> 
>> Interesting idea.  We peer with Apple already at an IX so iOS and OSX 
>> updates come across that cheaper path. Although this might be worth 
>> investigating.  Wonder how it can scale.
>> 
>>  
>> 
>>  
>> 
>> On Oct 2, 2015, at 1:05 PM, Brett A Mansfield  
>> wrote:
>> 
>>  
>> 
>> It's just an apple server. I use the $700 Mac mini and it works really well. 
>> You have to host your own DNS or ask the one that runs the DNS you use to 
>> put in the txt record for your public subnet.
>> 
>> Thank you,
>> 
>> Brett A Mansfield
>> 
>> 
>> On Oct 2, 2015, at 1:02 PM, Paul McCall  wrote:
>> 
>> Is this something that we can setup as an ISP and all customers on our 
>> network “automagically” use ?
>> 
>>  
>> 
>> From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Brett A Mansfield
>> Sent: Friday, October 02, 2015 2:55 PM
>> To: af@afmug.com
>> Cc: memb...@wispa.org
>> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] [WISPA Members] come on apple...what cha doin?
>> 
>>  
>> 
>> My caching server gets it the very moment anyone on my network tries to 
>> download it for the first time.
>> 
>> Thank you,
>> 
>> Brett A Mansfield
>> 
>> 
>> On Oct 2, 2015, at 12:19 PM, Josh Luthman  
>> wrote:
>> 
>> The problem with that is that the caching server usually doesn't get the 
>> update until DAYS after the launch to the masses.
>> 
>> 
>> 
>>  
>> 
>> Josh Luthman
>> Office: 937-552-2340
>> Direct: 937-552-2343
>> 1100 Wayne St
>> Suite 1337
>> Troy, OH 45373
>> 
>>  
>> 
>> On Fri, Oct 2, 2015 at 2:17 PM, Sean Heskett  wrote:
>> 
>> You could set up one of these
>> 
>> https://www.apple.com/support/osxserver/cachingservice/
>> 
>>  
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> On Friday, October 2, 2015, CBB - Jay Fuller  
>> wrote:
>> 
>>  
>> 
>>  
>> 
>> Seeing a lot of traffic going to 17.253.7.202in fact about six customers 
>> are pulling full speed from this site.
>> 
>> it comes back to Apple.  Are they sending out an update or something?  It's 
>> all download...
>> 
> 

Re: [AFMUG] [WISPA Members] come on apple...what cha doin?

[Cassidy B. Larson]

Interesting idea.  We peer with Apple already at an IX so iOS and OSX updates 
come across that cheaper path. Although this might be worth investigating.  
Wonder how it can scale.


> On Oct 2, 2015, at 1:05 PM, Brett A Mansfield  
> wrote:
> 
> It's just an apple server. I use the $700 Mac mini and it works really well. 
> You have to host your own DNS or ask the one that runs the DNS you use to put 
> in the txt record for your public subnet.
> 
> Thank you,
> Brett A Mansfield
> 
> On Oct 2, 2015, at 1:02 PM, Paul McCall  > wrote:
> 
>> Is this something that we can setup as an ISP and all customers on our 
>> network “automagically” use ?
>>  
>> From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com ] On 
>> Behalf Of Brett A Mansfield
>> Sent: Friday, October 02, 2015 2:55 PM
>> To: af@afmug.com 
>> Cc: memb...@wispa.org 
>> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] [WISPA Members] come on apple...what cha doin?
>>  
>> My caching server gets it the very moment anyone on my network tries to 
>> download it for the first time.
>> 
>> Thank you,
>> Brett A Mansfield
>> 
>> On Oct 2, 2015, at 12:19 PM, Josh Luthman > > wrote:
>> 
>> The problem with that is that the caching server usually doesn't get the 
>> update until DAYS after the launch to the masses.
>> 
>>  
>> Josh Luthman
>> Office: 937-552-2340
>> Direct: 937-552-2343
>> 1100 Wayne St
>> Suite 1337
>> Troy, OH 45373
>>  
>> On Fri, Oct 2, 2015 at 2:17 PM, Sean Heskett > > wrote:
>> You could set up one of these
>> https://www.apple.com/support/osxserver/cachingservice/ 
>> 
>>  
>> 
>> 
>> On Friday, October 2, 2015, CBB - Jay Fuller > > wrote:
>>  
>>  
>> Seeing a lot of traffic going to 17.253.7.202in fact about six customers 
>> are pulling full speed from this site.
>> it comes back to Apple.  Are they sending out an update or something?  It's 
>> all download...

Re: [AFMUG] [WISPA Members] come on apple...what cha doin?

[Paul McCall]

Why doesn’t Microsoft have something like that?  I mean it’s not like you can 
roll out WSUS to all our customers.

From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Paul McCall
Sent: Friday, October 02, 2015 4:15 PM
To: af@afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] [WISPA Members] come on apple...what cha doin?

So, how does it “flow”?  …   You have to register the server with Apple (along 
with doing the DNS record), and they do the redirecting of your customers to 
“your” server?

From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Brett A Mansfield
Sent: Friday, October 02, 2015 3:41 PM
To: af@afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] [WISPA Members] come on apple...what cha doin?

if you get the Mac mini, replace the drive. The spindle drive is a serious 
bottleneck. Even if you don't, it can handle my entire customer base (though 
very small) without any performance issues. About 140 customers. Most of them 
are very big on Apple. I would recommend putting in a few for larger networks. 
If one is at capacity or down, another one will take over for it automatically.

Thank you,
Brett A Mansfield

On Oct 2, 2015, at 1:16 PM, Cassidy B. Larson 
> wrote:
Interesting idea.  We peer with Apple already at an IX so iOS and OSX updates 
come across that cheaper path. Although this might be worth investigating.  
Wonder how it can scale.


On Oct 2, 2015, at 1:05 PM, Brett A Mansfield 
> wrote:

It's just an apple server. I use the $700 Mac mini and it works really well. 
You have to host your own DNS or ask the one that runs the DNS you use to put 
in the txt record for your public subnet.

Thank you,
Brett A Mansfield

On Oct 2, 2015, at 1:02 PM, Paul McCall 
> wrote:
Is this something that we can setup as an ISP and all customers on our network 
“automagically” use ?

From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Brett A Mansfield
Sent: Friday, October 02, 2015 2:55 PM
To: af@afmug.com
Cc: memb...@wispa.org
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] [WISPA Members] come on apple...what cha doin?

My caching server gets it the very moment anyone on my network tries to 
download it for the first time.

Thank you,
Brett A Mansfield

On Oct 2, 2015, at 12:19 PM, Josh Luthman 
> wrote:
The problem with that is that the caching server usually doesn't get the update 
until DAYS after the launch to the masses.


Josh Luthman
Office: 937-552-2340
Direct: 937-552-2343
1100 Wayne St
Suite 1337
Troy, OH 45373

On Fri, Oct 2, 2015 at 2:17 PM, Sean Heskett 
> wrote:
You could set up one of these
https://www.apple.com/support/osxserver/cachingservice/



On Friday, October 2, 2015, CBB - Jay Fuller 
> wrote:


Seeing a lot of traffic going to 17.253.7.202in fact about six customers 
are pulling full speed from this site.
it comes back to Apple.  Are they sending out an update or something?  It's all 
download...

Re: [AFMUG] [WISPA Members] come on apple...what cha doin?

[Paul McCall]

Is this something that we can setup as an ISP and all customers on our network 
“automagically” use ?

From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Brett A Mansfield
Sent: Friday, October 02, 2015 2:55 PM
To: af@afmug.com
Cc: memb...@wispa.org
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] [WISPA Members] come on apple...what cha doin?

My caching server gets it the very moment anyone on my network tries to 
download it for the first time.

Thank you,
Brett A Mansfield

On Oct 2, 2015, at 12:19 PM, Josh Luthman 
> wrote:
The problem with that is that the caching server usually doesn't get the update 
until DAYS after the launch to the masses.


Josh Luthman
Office: 937-552-2340
Direct: 937-552-2343
1100 Wayne St
Suite 1337
Troy, OH 45373

On Fri, Oct 2, 2015 at 2:17 PM, Sean Heskett 
> wrote:
You could set up one of these
https://www.apple.com/support/osxserver/cachingservice/



On Friday, October 2, 2015, CBB - Jay Fuller 
> wrote:


Seeing a lot of traffic going to 17.253.7.202in fact about six customers 
are pulling full speed from this site.
it comes back to Apple.  Are they sending out an update or something?  It's all 
download...

Re: [AFMUG] [WISPA Members] come on apple...what cha doin?

[Paul McCall]

So, how does it “flow”?  …   You have to register the server with Apple (along 
with doing the DNS record), and they do the redirecting of your customers to 
“your” server?

From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Brett A Mansfield
Sent: Friday, October 02, 2015 3:41 PM
To: af@afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] [WISPA Members] come on apple...what cha doin?

if you get the Mac mini, replace the drive. The spindle drive is a serious 
bottleneck. Even if you don't, it can handle my entire customer base (though 
very small) without any performance issues. About 140 customers. Most of them 
are very big on Apple. I would recommend putting in a few for larger networks. 
If one is at capacity or down, another one will take over for it automatically.

Thank you,
Brett A Mansfield

On Oct 2, 2015, at 1:16 PM, Cassidy B. Larson 
> wrote:
Interesting idea.  We peer with Apple already at an IX so iOS and OSX updates 
come across that cheaper path. Although this might be worth investigating.  
Wonder how it can scale.


On Oct 2, 2015, at 1:05 PM, Brett A Mansfield 
> wrote:

It's just an apple server. I use the $700 Mac mini and it works really well. 
You have to host your own DNS or ask the one that runs the DNS you use to put 
in the txt record for your public subnet.

Thank you,
Brett A Mansfield

On Oct 2, 2015, at 1:02 PM, Paul McCall 
> wrote:
Is this something that we can setup as an ISP and all customers on our network 
“automagically” use ?

From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Brett A Mansfield
Sent: Friday, October 02, 2015 2:55 PM
To: af@afmug.com
Cc: memb...@wispa.org
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] [WISPA Members] come on apple...what cha doin?

My caching server gets it the very moment anyone on my network tries to 
download it for the first time.

Thank you,
Brett A Mansfield

On Oct 2, 2015, at 12:19 PM, Josh Luthman 
> wrote:
The problem with that is that the caching server usually doesn't get the update 
until DAYS after the launch to the masses.


Josh Luthman
Office: 937-552-2340
Direct: 937-552-2343
1100 Wayne St
Suite 1337
Troy, OH 45373

On Fri, Oct 2, 2015 at 2:17 PM, Sean Heskett 
> wrote:
You could set up one of these
https://www.apple.com/support/osxserver/cachingservice/



On Friday, October 2, 2015, CBB - Jay Fuller 
> wrote:


Seeing a lot of traffic going to 17.253.7.202in fact about six customers 
are pulling full speed from this site.
it comes back to Apple.  Are they sending out an update or something?  It's all 
download...

Re: [AFMUG] [WISPA Members] come on apple...what cha doin?

[Brett A Mansfield]

My caching server gets it the very moment anyone on my network tries to 
download it for the first time.

Thank you,
Brett A Mansfield

> On Oct 2, 2015, at 12:19 PM, Josh Luthman  wrote:
> 
> The problem with that is that the caching server usually doesn't get the 
> update until DAYS after the launch to the masses.
> 
> 
> Josh Luthman
> Office: 937-552-2340
> Direct: 937-552-2343
> 1100 Wayne St
> Suite 1337
> Troy, OH 45373
> 
>> On Fri, Oct 2, 2015 at 2:17 PM, Sean Heskett  wrote:
>> You could set up one of these
>> https://www.apple.com/support/osxserver/cachingservice/
>> 
>> 
>> 
>>> On Friday, October 2, 2015, CBB - Jay Fuller  
>>> wrote:
>>>  
>>>  
>>> Seeing a lot of traffic going to 17.253.7.202in fact about six 
>>> customers are pulling full speed from this site.
>>> it comes back to Apple.  Are they sending out an update or something?  It's 
>>> all download...

Re: [AFMUG] [WISPA Members] come on apple...what cha doin?

[Brett A Mansfield]

It's just an apple server. I use the $700 Mac mini and it works really well. 
You have to host your own DNS or ask the one that runs the DNS you use to put 
in the txt record for your public subnet.

Thank you,
Brett A Mansfield

> On Oct 2, 2015, at 1:02 PM, Paul McCall  wrote:
> 
> Is this something that we can setup as an ISP and all customers on our 
> network “automagically” use ?
>  
> From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Brett A Mansfield
> Sent: Friday, October 02, 2015 2:55 PM
> To: af@afmug.com
> Cc: memb...@wispa.org
> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] [WISPA Members] come on apple...what cha doin?
>  
> My caching server gets it the very moment anyone on my network tries to 
> download it for the first time.
> 
> Thank you,
> Brett A Mansfield
> 
> On Oct 2, 2015, at 12:19 PM, Josh Luthman  wrote:
> 
> The problem with that is that the caching server usually doesn't get the 
> update until DAYS after the launch to the masses.
> 
>  
> Josh Luthman
> Office: 937-552-2340
> Direct: 937-552-2343
> 1100 Wayne St
> Suite 1337
> Troy, OH 45373
>  
> On Fri, Oct 2, 2015 at 2:17 PM, Sean Heskett  wrote:
> You could set up one of these
> https://www.apple.com/support/osxserver/cachingservice/
>  
> 
> 
> On Friday, October 2, 2015, CBB - Jay Fuller  
> wrote:
>  
>  
> Seeing a lot of traffic going to 17.253.7.202in fact about six customers 
> are pulling full speed from this site.
> it comes back to Apple.  Are they sending out an update or something?  It's 
> all download...
>  
>  
>  

Re: [AFMUG] [WISPA Members] come on apple...what cha doin?

[Sean Heskett]

i believe to do it on an ISP network you just have to redirect the DNS
entries that OS X and iOS use for the update servers.  nothing to change on
the client side.

I'd recommend a few of them for redundancy.

i thought microsoft had something similar but i'm not sure.

On Fri, Oct 2, 2015 at 2:15 PM, Paul McCall  wrote:

> So, how does it “flow”?  …   You have to register the server with Apple
> (along with doing the DNS record), and they do the redirecting of your
> customers to “your” server?
>
>
>
> *From:* Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] *On Behalf Of *Brett A Mansfield
> *Sent:* Friday, October 02, 2015 3:41 PM
> *To:* af@afmug.com
>
> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] [WISPA Members] come on apple...what cha doin?
>
>
>
> if you get the Mac mini, replace the drive. The spindle drive is a serious
> bottleneck. Even if you don't, it can handle my entire customer base
> (though very small) without any performance issues. About 140 customers.
> Most of them are very big on Apple. I would recommend putting in a few for
> larger networks. If one is at capacity or down, another one will take over
> for it automatically.
>
> Thank you,
>
> Brett A Mansfield
>
>
> On Oct 2, 2015, at 1:16 PM, Cassidy B. Larson  wrote:
>
> Interesting idea.  We peer with Apple already at an IX so iOS and OSX
> updates come across that cheaper path. Although this might be worth
> investigating.  Wonder how it can scale.
>
>
>
>
>
> On Oct 2, 2015, at 1:05 PM, Brett A Mansfield <
> li...@silverlakeinternet.com> wrote:
>
>
>
> It's just an apple server. I use the $700 Mac mini and it works really
> well. You have to host your own DNS or ask the one that runs the DNS you
> use to put in the txt record for your public subnet.
>
> Thank you,
>
> Brett A Mansfield
>
>
> On Oct 2, 2015, at 1:02 PM, Paul McCall  wrote:
>
> Is this something that we can setup as an ISP and all customers on our
> network “automagically” use ?
>
>
>
> *From:* Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com ] *On
> Behalf Of *Brett A Mansfield
> *Sent:* Friday, October 02, 2015 2:55 PM
> *To:* af@afmug.com
> *Cc:* memb...@wispa.org
> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] [WISPA Members] come on apple...what cha doin?
>
>
>
> My caching server gets it the very moment anyone on my network tries to
> download it for the first time.
>
> Thank you,
>
> Brett A Mansfield
>
>
> On Oct 2, 2015, at 12:19 PM, Josh Luthman 
> wrote:
>
> The problem with that is that the caching server usually doesn't get the
> update until DAYS after the launch to the masses.
>
>
>
>
> Josh Luthman
> Office: 937-552-2340
> Direct: 937-552-2343
> 1100 Wayne St
> Suite 1337
> Troy, OH 45373
>
>
>
> On Fri, Oct 2, 2015 at 2:17 PM, Sean Heskett  wrote:
>
> You could set up one of these
>
> https://www.apple.com/support/osxserver/cachingservice/
>
>
>
>
>
> On Friday, October 2, 2015, CBB - Jay Fuller 
> wrote:
>
>
>
>
>
> Seeing a lot of traffic going to 17.253.7.202in fact about six
> customers are pulling full speed from this site.
>
> it comes back to Apple.  Are they sending out an update or something?
> It's all download...
>
>
>
>

Re: [AFMUG] [WISPA Members] come on apple...what cha doin?

[Lewis Bergman]

If you are in a place you can peer with then you can let routing do this
and apple does all the heavy lifting

On Fri, Oct 2, 2015, 3:29 PM Brett A Mansfield 
wrote:

> Yes, it captures it through dns. You do not need to register it with
> Apple.
>
> For Windows, you can use something like IPcop. It will cache from many
> servers and websites including updates. But I haven't actually played with
> it.
>
>
> Thank you,
> Brett A Mansfield
>
> On Oct 2, 2015, at 2:25 PM, Sean Heskett  wrote:
>
> i believe to do it on an ISP network you just have to redirect the DNS
> entries that OS X and iOS use for the update servers.  nothing to change on
> the client side.
>
> I'd recommend a few of them for redundancy.
>
> i thought microsoft had something similar but i'm not sure.
>
> On Fri, Oct 2, 2015 at 2:15 PM, Paul McCall  wrote:
>
>> So, how does it “flow”?  …   You have to register the server with Apple
>> (along with doing the DNS record), and they do the redirecting of your
>> customers to “your” server?
>>
>>
>>
>> *From:* Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] *On Behalf Of *Brett A Mansfield
>> *Sent:* Friday, October 02, 2015 3:41 PM
>> *To:* af@afmug.com
>>
>> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] [WISPA Members] come on apple...what cha doin?
>>
>>
>>
>> if you get the Mac mini, replace the drive. The spindle drive is a
>> serious bottleneck. Even if you don't, it can handle my entire customer
>> base (though very small) without any performance issues. About 140
>> customers. Most of them are very big on Apple. I would recommend putting in
>> a few for larger networks. If one is at capacity or down, another one will
>> take over for it automatically.
>>
>> Thank you,
>>
>> Brett A Mansfield
>>
>>
>> On Oct 2, 2015, at 1:16 PM, Cassidy B. Larson  wrote:
>>
>> Interesting idea.  We peer with Apple already at an IX so iOS and OSX
>> updates come across that cheaper path. Although this might be worth
>> investigating.  Wonder how it can scale.
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> On Oct 2, 2015, at 1:05 PM, Brett A Mansfield <
>> li...@silverlakeinternet.com> wrote:
>>
>>
>>
>> It's just an apple server. I use the $700 Mac mini and it works really
>> well. You have to host your own DNS or ask the one that runs the DNS you
>> use to put in the txt record for your public subnet.
>>
>> Thank you,
>>
>> Brett A Mansfield
>>
>>
>> On Oct 2, 2015, at 1:02 PM, Paul McCall  wrote:
>>
>> Is this something that we can setup as an ISP and all customers on our
>> network “automagically” use ?
>>
>>
>>
>> *From:* Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com ] *On
>> Behalf Of *Brett A Mansfield
>> *Sent:* Friday, October 02, 2015 2:55 PM
>> *To:* af@afmug.com
>> *Cc:* memb...@wispa.org
>> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] [WISPA Members] come on apple...what cha doin?
>>
>>
>>
>> My caching server gets it the very moment anyone on my network tries to
>> download it for the first time.
>>
>> Thank you,
>>
>> Brett A Mansfield
>>
>>
>> On Oct 2, 2015, at 12:19 PM, Josh Luthman 
>> wrote:
>>
>> The problem with that is that the caching server usually doesn't get the
>> update until DAYS after the launch to the masses.
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> Josh Luthman
>> Office: 937-552-2340
>> Direct: 937-552-2343
>> 1100 Wayne St
>> Suite 1337
>> Troy, OH 45373
>>
>>
>>
>> On Fri, Oct 2, 2015 at 2:17 PM, Sean Heskett  wrote:
>>
>> You could set up one of these
>>
>> https://www.apple.com/support/osxserver/cachingservice/
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> On Friday, October 2, 2015, CBB - Jay Fuller 
>> wrote:
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> Seeing a lot of traffic going to 17.253.7.202in fact about six
>> customers are pulling full speed from this site.
>>
>> it comes back to Apple.  Are they sending out an update or something?
>> It's all download...
>>
>>
>>
>>
>

Re: [AFMUG] simple online traceroute monitoring

[Mike Hammett]

That's probably it. 




- 
Mike Hammett 
Intelligent Computing Solutions 
http://www.ics-il.com 

- Original Message -

From: "That One Guy /sarcasm"  
To: af@afmug.com 
Sent: Friday, October 2, 2015 3:52:42 PM 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] simple online traceroute monitoring 


May have to go that route. Its a rare occasion I need to do this, but when it 
gets to the point I can turn on icmp in their router for them. The current 
customer in particulare is seeing packetloss upstream to certain hops but not 
beyond, we dont see it in our tracroutes. Im beginning to wonder if hes not 
running so much ICMP that his IP isnt hitting a threshold and getting filtered 
out on the upstream device. 


On Fri, Oct 2, 2015 at 1:33 PM, Sterling Jacobson < sterl...@avative.net > 
wrote: 





That would be cool to check from the outside, but wouldn’t that require their 
router to have ICMP open? 

That’s not often the default on most home routers, right? 

It’s so simple to provision and use a hosted VM these days, that it’s probably 
just the way to go. 

I mean for $50 a month you can get a full instance of Windows from Amazon 
hosted services that includes Office too! 



From: Af [mailto: af-boun...@afmug.com ] On Behalf Of That One Guy /sarcasm 
Sent: Friday, October 2, 2015 12:31 PM 
To: af@afmug.com 
Subject: [AFMUG] simple online traceroute monitoring 





I use a couple products, pingploter and multiping to monitor outbound paths, 
latency and loss. I'm looking for a simple online product to do the same. 
Everything I find seems geared to full website monitoring like monitis and 
whatnot. Any recommendations beyond ordering some hosted space and installing 
the two apps I use to monitor and alert inbound connectivity issues? 

This is primarily for monitoring problem customers why complain about latency 
and loss not really visible from inside our network to them. 

-- 




If you only see yourself as part of the team but you don't see your team as 
part of yourself you have already failed as part of the team. 





-- 




If you only see yourself as part of the team but you don't see your team as 
part of yourself you have already failed as part of the team. 

Re: [AFMUG] National Broadband Map

[Jeremy]

The state is so much easier than the FCC.  I just send them a basic .kmz
file

On Fri, Oct 2, 2015 at 1:38 PM, Brian Webster 
wrote:

> Since the FCC has yet to release any of the 477 public data, you could
> easily send the state your census blocks file. They would at least keep the
> state map updated that way. They can easily process that same file.
>
>
>
> Thank You,
>
> Brian Webster
>
> 214 Eggleston Hill Rd.
>
> Cooperstown, NY 13326
>
> (607) 643-4055 Office
>
> (607) 435-3988 Mobile
>
> (208) 692-1898 Fax
> Skype: Radiowebst
>
> www.wirelessmapping.com
>
> www.Broadband-Mapping.com
>
>
>
> *From:* Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] *On Behalf Of *Jeremy
> *Sent:* Friday, October 02, 2015 10:14 AM
> *To:* af@afmug.com
> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] National Broadband Map
>
>
>
> Our state (Utah) has allocated funds and is continuing the Utah Broadband
> Mapping Initiative (brodband.utah.gov/map/).  They called me recently for
> a map update.  I mentioned that it is all on the 477 map now and she said
> they were continuing to update the local map independently of the 477 map.
>
>
>
> On Fri, Oct 2, 2015 at 6:12 AM, Brian Webster 
> wrote:
>
> The National Broadband Map program was funded through the ARRA program and
> was under the control of the NTIA. That grant funding did not get renewed
> so as of the end of 2014 that state and national broadband map program
> stopped. The solution to continue to collect broadband deployment data was
> rolled in to the FCC form 477 program. That is where you have the new
> additional requirement to report not only your customer my census tract,
> but that you now have to report by law your service areas by census block.
> The census block service area data will become public information but your
> customer tract data still remains protected under NDA.
>
>
>
> If the FCC only has one person on the mapping program that would explain
> why you all seem to get notices so long after a filing if there are issues
> AND it also explains why there have been to releases to date of the block
> level coverage data for carriers by the FCC. That means the most current
> broadband deployment data available is from the national broadband map and
> that last round of data was collected and turned in to the NTIA in
> September of last year. That data has been published.
>
>
>
> Some states have continued to work on their mapping programs by requesting
> from carriers their latest 477 block level data, but there is no national
> effort to do so outside of the FCC.
>
>
>
> Thank You,
>
> Brian Webster
>
> www.wirelessmapping.com
>
> www.Broadband-Mapping.com
>
>
>
> *From:* Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] *On Behalf Of *Ty Featherling
> *Sent:* Thursday, October 01, 2015 10:10 AM
> *To:* af@afmug.com
> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] National Broadband Map
>
>
>
> I bet Brian Webster could shine a little light on it.
>
>
>
> -Ty
>
>
>
> On Wed, Sep 30, 2015 at 9:07 PM, CBB - Jay Fuller <
> par...@cyberbroadband.net> wrote:
>
>
>
> Ok - two articles that I read today both cite the national broadband map
> for "information".
>
> I wanted to pass along some information I received in a state of Alabama
> broadband meeting / briefing today.
>
>
>
> At a conference recently an Alabama state staffer discussed with personnel
> from the FCC the National Broadband Map.
>
> Staffer was told the fcc currently had *one* employee working on that map
> and to not expect it to be updated anytime soon.
>
>
>
> There was, and I quote, "little to no funding..." for the project.
>
>
>
> FYI.
>
> grain of salt.
>
> take it or leave it.
>
>
>
>
>
> - Original Message -
>
> *From:* Ken Hohhof 
>
> *To:* af@afmug.com
>
> *Sent:* Wednesday, September 30, 2015 8:28 PM
>
> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Any of you guys service this guy in the news?
>
>
>
> Ouch, that Farm Futures article is pretty awful.  Probably what passes for
> journalism today.
>
> I hope you weren't too harsh on her.  Probably some gig economy writer
> paid
> a penny a word or something?
>
>
> -Original Message-
> From: Rick Harnish
> Sent: Wednesday, September 30, 2015 6:56 PM
> To: af@afmug.com
> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Any of you guys service this guy in the news?
>
> I contacted Peter Maher at Netwurx about the article.  They are close.
> Maybe that is who Matthew Howard works for.
>
> http://www.netwurx.net/wireless-high-speed
>
> I also wrote an email to Jessica Michael at Farm Futures about her lack of
> knowledge about the Wisp industry yesterday.  I haven't heard back from
> her
> yet.
>
> http://farmfutures.com/blogs-rural-internet-options-smart-office-10241
>
> Respectfully,
>
> Rick Harnish
> Broadband Consultant & Industry Analyst
> 260-307-4000 cell
> Skype: rick.harnish.Twitter:
> @rharnish
>
>
> > -Original Message-
> > From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Steve
> > Sent: Wednesday, September 30, 2015 7:43 PM
> > To: af@afmug.com
> > 

Re: [AFMUG] simple online traceroute monitoring

[Steve]

https://www.pingdom.com/




- Original Message -
From: "That One Guy /sarcasm" 
To: af@afmug.com
Sent: Friday, October 2, 2015 2:31:03 PM
Subject: [AFMUG] simple online traceroute monitoring

I use a couple products, pingploter and multiping to monitor outbound
paths, latency and loss. I'm looking for a simple online product to do the
same. Everything I find seems geared to full website monitoring like
monitis and whatnot. Any recommendations beyond ordering some hosted space
and installing the two apps I use to monitor and alert inbound connectivity
issues?
This is primarily for monitoring problem customers why complain about
latency and loss not really visible from inside our network to them.

-- 
If you only see yourself as part of the team but you don't see your team as
part of yourself you have already failed as part of the team.

Re: [AFMUG] simple online traceroute monitoring

[Ken Hohhof]

When the customer has read and understood this document, maybe listen to his 
traceroute complaints:
https://www.nanog.org/meetings/nanog45/presentations/Sunday/RAS_traceroute_N45.pdf

Latency or packet loss to a certain hop but not beyond sounds like a control 
plane vs data plane issue and not a real problem to be complaining about.

Seriously, if the packets are making it to hop N+1, they are clearly making it 
to hop N, and if traceroute says otherwise it’s because some router or layer 3 
switch in the middle has better things to do than respond to all your pings.


From: Mike Hammett 
Sent: Friday, October 02, 2015 4:09 PM
To: af@afmug.com 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] simple online traceroute monitoring

That's probably it.




-
Mike Hammett
Intelligent Computing Solutions
http://www.ics-il.com





From: "That One Guy /sarcasm" 
To: af@afmug.com
Sent: Friday, October 2, 2015 3:52:42 PM
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] simple online traceroute monitoring


May have to go that route. Its a rare occasion I need to do this, but when it 
gets to the point I can turn on icmp in their router for them. The current 
customer in particulare is seeing packetloss upstream to certain hops but not 
beyond, we dont see it in our tracroutes. Im beginning to wonder if hes not 
running so much ICMP that his IP isnt hitting a threshold and getting filtered 
out on the upstream device.

On Fri, Oct 2, 2015 at 1:33 PM, Sterling Jacobson  wrote:

  That would be cool to check from the outside, but wouldn’t that require their 
router to have ICMP open?



  That’s not often the default on most home routers, right?



  It’s so simple to provision and use a hosted VM these days, that it’s 
probably just the way to go.



  I mean for $50 a month you can get a full instance of Windows from Amazon 
hosted services that includes Office too!







  From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of That One Guy /sarcasm
  Sent: Friday, October 2, 2015 12:31 PM
  To: af@afmug.com
  Subject: [AFMUG] simple online traceroute monitoring



  I use a couple products, pingploter and multiping to monitor outbound paths, 
latency and loss. I'm looking for a simple online product to do the same. 
Everything I find seems geared to full website monitoring like monitis and 
whatnot. Any recommendations beyond ordering some hosted space and installing 
the two apps I use to monitor and alert inbound connectivity issues?

  This is primarily for monitoring problem customers why complain about latency 
and loss not really visible from inside our network to them.

  -- 

  If you only see yourself as part of the team but you don't see your team as 
part of yourself you have already failed as part of the team.





-- 

If you only see yourself as part of the team but you don't see your team as 
part of yourself you have already failed as part of the team.

Re: [AFMUG] simple online traceroute monitoring

[That One Guy /sarcasm]

May have to go that route. Its a rare occasion I need to do this, but when
it gets to the point I can turn on icmp in their router for them. The
current customer in particulare is seeing packetloss upstream to certain
hops but not beyond, we dont see it in our tracroutes. Im beginning to
wonder if hes not running so much ICMP that his IP isnt hitting a threshold
and getting filtered out on the upstream device.

On Fri, Oct 2, 2015 at 1:33 PM, Sterling Jacobson 
wrote:

> That would be cool to check from the outside, but wouldn’t that require
> their router to have ICMP open?
>
>
>
> That’s not often the default on most home routers, right?
>
>
>
> It’s so simple to provision and use a hosted VM these days, that it’s
> probably just the way to go.
>
>
>
> I mean for $50 a month you can get a full instance of Windows from Amazon
> hosted services that includes Office too!
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> *From:* Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] *On Behalf Of *That One Guy
> /sarcasm
> *Sent:* Friday, October 2, 2015 12:31 PM
> *To:* af@afmug.com
> *Subject:* [AFMUG] simple online traceroute monitoring
>
>
>
> I use a couple products, pingploter and multiping to monitor outbound
> paths, latency and loss. I'm looking for a simple online product to do the
> same. Everything I find seems geared to full website monitoring like
> monitis and whatnot. Any recommendations beyond ordering some hosted space
> and installing the two apps I use to monitor and alert inbound connectivity
> issues?
>
> This is primarily for monitoring problem customers why complain about
> latency and loss not really visible from inside our network to them.
>
> --
>
> If you only see yourself as part of the team but you don't see your team
> as part of yourself you have already failed as part of the team.
>



-- 
If you only see yourself as part of the team but you don't see your team as
part of yourself you have already failed as part of the team.

Re: [AFMUG] simple online traceroute monitoring

[Lewis Bergman]

Most carriers have bgp looking glass servers that already have that. I use
level 3's as you can select the region to go from.

On Fri, Oct 2, 2015, 3:59 PM Steve  wrote:

> https://www.pingdom.com/
>
>
>
>
> - Original Message -
> From: "That One Guy /sarcasm" 
> To: af@afmug.com
> Sent: Friday, October 2, 2015 2:31:03 PM
> Subject: [AFMUG] simple online traceroute monitoring
>
> I use a couple products, pingploter and multiping to monitor outbound
> paths, latency and loss. I'm looking for a simple online product to do the
> same. Everything I find seems geared to full website monitoring like
> monitis and whatnot. Any recommendations beyond ordering some hosted space
> and installing the two apps I use to monitor and alert inbound connectivity
> issues?
> This is primarily for monitoring problem customers why complain about
> latency and loss not really visible from inside our network to them.
>
> --
> If you only see yourself as part of the team but you don't see your team as
> part of yourself you have already failed as part of the team.
>

Re: [AFMUG] [WISPA Members] come on apple...what cha doin?

[Mike Hammett]

They don't even have something for smaller IXes. It's go big or go home. 




- 
Mike Hammett 
Intelligent Computing Solutions 
http://www.ics-il.com 

- Original Message -

From: "Paul McCall"  
To: af@afmug.com 
Sent: Friday, October 2, 2015 3:22:56 PM 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] [WISPA Members] come on apple...what cha doin? 



Why doesn’t Microsoft have something like that? I mean it’s not like you can 
roll out WSUS to all our customers. 



From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Paul McCall 
Sent: Friday, October 02, 2015 4:15 PM 
To: af@afmug.com 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] [WISPA Members] come on apple...what cha doin? 

So, how does it “flow”? … You have to register the server with Apple (along 
with doing the DNS record), and they do the redirecting of your customers to 
“your” server? 



From: Af [ mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com ] On Behalf Of Brett A Mansfield 
Sent: Friday, October 02, 2015 3:41 PM 
To: af@afmug.com 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] [WISPA Members] come on apple...what cha doin? 


if you get the Mac mini, replace the drive. The spindle drive is a serious 
bottleneck. Even if you don't, it can handle my entire customer base (though 
very small) without any performance issues. About 140 customers. Most of them 
are very big on Apple. I would recommend putting in a few for larger networks. 
If one is at capacity or down, another one will take over for it automatically. 

Thank you, 

Brett A Mansfield 


On Oct 2, 2015, at 1:16 PM, Cassidy B. Larson < c...@infowest.com > wrote: 



Interesting idea. We peer with Apple already at an IX so iOS and OSX updates 
come across that cheaper path. Although this might be worth investigating. 
Wonder how it can scale. 








On Oct 2, 2015, at 1:05 PM, Brett A Mansfield < li...@silverlakeinternet.com > 
wrote: 



It's just an apple server. I use the $700 Mac mini and it works really well. 
You have to host your own DNS or ask the one that runs the DNS you use to put 
in the txt record for your public subnet. 

Thank you, 

Brett A Mansfield 


On Oct 2, 2015, at 1:02 PM, Paul McCall < pa...@pdmnet.net > wrote: 




Is this something that we can setup as an ISP and all customers on our network 
“automagically” use ? 





From: Af [ mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com ] On Behalf Of Brett A Mansfield 
Sent: Friday, October 02, 2015 2:55 PM 
To: af@afmug.com 
Cc: memb...@wispa.org 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] [WISPA Members] come on apple...what cha doin? 





My caching server gets it the very moment anyone on my network tries to 
download it for the first time. 

Thank you, 


Brett A Mansfield 


On Oct 2, 2015, at 12:19 PM, Josh Luthman < j...@imaginenetworksllc.com > 
wrote: 





The problem with that is that the caching server usually doesn't get the update 
until DAYS after the launch to the masses. 











Josh Luthman 
Office: 937-552-2340 
Direct: 937-552-2343 
1100 Wayne St 
Suite 1337 
Troy, OH 45373 




On Fri, Oct 2, 2015 at 2:17 PM, Sean Heskett < af...@zirkel.us > wrote: 

You could set up one of these 


https://www.apple.com/support/osxserver/cachingservice/ 









On Friday, October 2, 2015, CBB - Jay Fuller < par...@cyberbroadband.net > 
wrote: 









Seeing a lot of traffic going to 17.253.7.202in fact about six customers 
are pulling full speed from this site. 


it comes back to Apple. Are they sending out an update or something? It's all 
download... 

Re: [AFMUG] National Broadband Map

[Ken Hohhof]

477 forms are like prayers, you send them, but is anyone listening?

I used to work for a boss who every month put in the middle of his required 
status report “If you read this, call XXX and I will pay you $10”.  No one ever 
claimed the $10.

At another company, I worked with a guy who put one impossible to meet spec in 
every RFP.  Any vendor who said they could meet all the specs was disqualified. 
 Many were.


From: Jeremy 
Sent: Friday, October 02, 2015 7:01 PM
To: af@afmug.com 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] National Broadband Map

I do the export from my billing system for the FCC, but it doesn't yet support 
VoIP.. So those customers have to be accounted for and put into each tract and 
entered manually.  Come on Powercode!  Add a VoIP export option!

On Fri, Oct 2, 2015 at 5:54 PM, Mike Hammett  wrote:

  Billing system export to the FCC, that is. 





  -
  Mike Hammett
  Intelligent Computing Solutions
  http://www.ics-il.com



--

  From: "Jeremy" 
  To: af@afmug.com
  Sent: Friday, October 2, 2015 5:08:44 PM
  Subject: Re: [AFMUG] National Broadband Map


  The state is so much easier than the FCC.  I just send them a basic .kmz file

  On Fri, Oct 2, 2015 at 1:38 PM, Brian Webster  
wrote:

Since the FCC has yet to release any of the 477 public data, you could 
easily send the state your census blocks file. They would at least keep the 
state map updated that way. They can easily process that same file.



Thank You,

Brian Webster

214 Eggleston Hill Rd.

Cooperstown, NY 13326

(607) 643-4055 Office

(607) 435-3988 Mobile

(208) 692-1898 Fax
Skype: Radiowebst

www.wirelessmapping.com

www.Broadband-Mapping.com



From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Jeremy
Sent: Friday, October 02, 2015 10:14 AM
To: af@afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] National Broadband Map



Our state (Utah) has allocated funds and is continuing the Utah Broadband 
Mapping Initiative (brodband.utah.gov/map/).  They called me recently for a map 
update.  I mentioned that it is all on the 477 map now and she said they were 
continuing to update the local map independently of the 477 map.  



On Fri, Oct 2, 2015 at 6:12 AM, Brian Webster  
wrote:

The National Broadband Map program was funded through the ARRA program and 
was under the control of the NTIA. That grant funding did not get renewed so as 
of the end of 2014 that state and national broadband map program stopped. The 
solution to continue to collect broadband deployment data was rolled in to the 
FCC form 477 program. That is where you have the new additional requirement to 
report not only your customer my census tract, but that you now have to report 
by law your service areas by census block. The census block service area data 
will become public information but your customer tract data still remains 
protected under NDA.



If the FCC only has one person on the mapping program that would explain 
why you all seem to get notices so long after a filing if there are issues AND 
it also explains why there have been to releases to date of the block level 
coverage data for carriers by the FCC. That means the most current broadband 
deployment data available is from the national broadband map and that last 
round of data was collected and turned in to the NTIA in September of last 
year. That data has been published.



Some states have continued to work on their mapping programs by requesting 
from carriers their latest 477 block level data, but there is no national 
effort to do so outside of the FCC.



Thank You,

Brian Webster

www.wirelessmapping.com

www.Broadband-Mapping.com



From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Ty Featherling
Sent: Thursday, October 01, 2015 10:10 AM
To: af@afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] National Broadband Map



I bet Brian Webster could shine a little light on it.



-Ty



On Wed, Sep 30, 2015 at 9:07 PM, CBB - Jay Fuller 
 wrote:



Ok - two articles that I read today both cite the national broadband map 
for "information".

I wanted to pass along some information I received in a state of Alabama 
broadband meeting / briefing today.



At a conference recently an Alabama state staffer discussed with personnel 
from the FCC the National Broadband Map.

Staffer was told the fcc currently had *one* employee working on that map 
and to not expect it to be updated anytime soon.



There was, and I quote, "little to no funding..." for the project.



FYI.

grain of salt.

take it or leave it.





  - Original Message - 

  From: Ken Hohhof 

  To: af@afmug.com 

  Sent: Wednesday, September 30, 2015 8:28 PM

  Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Any of 

Re: [AFMUG] simple online traceroute monitoring

[Colin Stanners]

That's a very interesting document, thanks Ken.

On Fri, Oct 2, 2015 at 5:02 PM, Ken Hohhof  wrote:

> When the customer has read and understood this document, maybe listen to
> his traceroute complaints:
>
> https://www.nanog.org/meetings/nanog45/presentations/Sunday/RAS_traceroute_N45.pdf
>
> Latency or packet loss to a certain hop but not beyond sounds like a
> control plane vs data plane issue and not a real problem to be complaining
> about.
>
> Seriously, if the packets are making it to hop N+1, they are clearly
> making it to hop N, and if traceroute says otherwise it’s because some
> router or layer 3 switch in the middle has better things to do than respond
> to all your pings.
>
>
> *From:* Mike Hammett 
> *Sent:* Friday, October 02, 2015 4:09 PM
> *To:* af@afmug.com
> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] simple online traceroute monitoring
>
> That's probably it.
>
>
>
> -
> Mike Hammett
> Intelligent Computing Solutions
> http://www.ics-il.com
>
> --
> *From: *"That One Guy /sarcasm" 
> *To: *af@afmug.com
> *Sent: *Friday, October 2, 2015 3:52:42 PM
> *Subject: *Re: [AFMUG] simple online traceroute monitoring
>
> May have to go that route. Its a rare occasion I need to do this, but when
> it gets to the point I can turn on icmp in their router for them. The
> current customer in particulare is seeing packetloss upstream to certain
> hops but not beyond, we dont see it in our tracroutes. Im beginning to
> wonder if hes not running so much ICMP that his IP isnt hitting a threshold
> and getting filtered out on the upstream device.
>
> On Fri, Oct 2, 2015 at 1:33 PM, Sterling Jacobson 
> wrote:
>
>> That would be cool to check from the outside, but wouldn’t that require
>> their router to have ICMP open?
>>
>>
>>
>> That’s not often the default on most home routers, right?
>>
>>
>>
>> It’s so simple to provision and use a hosted VM these days, that it’s
>> probably just the way to go.
>>
>>
>>
>> I mean for $50 a month you can get a full instance of Windows from Amazon
>> hosted services that includes Office too!
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> *From:* Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] *On Behalf Of *That One Guy
>> /sarcasm
>> *Sent:* Friday, October 2, 2015 12:31 PM
>> *To:* af@afmug.com
>> *Subject:* [AFMUG] simple online traceroute monitoring
>>
>>
>>
>> I use a couple products, pingploter and multiping to monitor outbound
>> paths, latency and loss. I'm looking for a simple online product to do the
>> same. Everything I find seems geared to full website monitoring like
>> monitis and whatnot. Any recommendations beyond ordering some hosted space
>> and installing the two apps I use to monitor and alert inbound connectivity
>> issues?
>>
>> This is primarily for monitoring problem customers why complain about
>> latency and loss not really visible from inside our network to them.
>>
>> --
>>
>> If you only see yourself as part of the team but you don't see your team
>> as part of yourself you have already failed as part of the team.
>>
>
>
>
> --
> If you only see yourself as part of the team but you don't see your team
> as part of yourself you have already failed as part of the team.
>
>

Re: [AFMUG] National Broadband Map

[Jeremy]

I do the export from my billing system for the FCC, but it doesn't yet
support VoIP.. So those customers have to be accounted for and put into
each tract and entered manually.  Come on Powercode!  Add a VoIP export
option!

On Fri, Oct 2, 2015 at 5:54 PM, Mike Hammett  wrote:

> Billing system export to the FCC, that is.
>
>
>
>
> -
> Mike Hammett
> Intelligent Computing Solutions
> http://www.ics-il.com
>
> --
> *From: *"Jeremy" 
> *To: *af@afmug.com
> *Sent: *Friday, October 2, 2015 5:08:44 PM
> *Subject: *Re: [AFMUG] National Broadband Map
>
> The state is so much easier than the FCC.  I just send them a basic .kmz
> file
>
> On Fri, Oct 2, 2015 at 1:38 PM, Brian Webster 
> wrote:
>
>> Since the FCC has yet to release any of the 477 public data, you could
>> easily send the state your census blocks file. They would at least keep the
>> state map updated that way. They can easily process that same file.
>>
>>
>>
>> Thank You,
>>
>> Brian Webster
>>
>> 214 Eggleston Hill Rd.
>>
>> Cooperstown, NY 13326
>>
>> (607) 643-4055 Office
>>
>> (607) 435-3988 Mobile
>>
>> (208) 692-1898 Fax
>> Skype: Radiowebst
>>
>> www.wirelessmapping.com
>>
>> www.Broadband-Mapping.com
>>
>>
>>
>> *From:* Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] *On Behalf Of *Jeremy
>> *Sent:* Friday, October 02, 2015 10:14 AM
>> *To:* af@afmug.com
>> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] National Broadband Map
>>
>>
>>
>> Our state (Utah) has allocated funds and is continuing the Utah Broadband
>> Mapping Initiative (brodband.utah.gov/map/).  They called me recently
>> for a map update.  I mentioned that it is all on the 477 map now and she
>> said they were continuing to update the local map independently of the 477
>> map.
>>
>>
>>
>> On Fri, Oct 2, 2015 at 6:12 AM, Brian Webster 
>> wrote:
>>
>> The National Broadband Map program was funded through the ARRA program
>> and was under the control of the NTIA. That grant funding did not get
>> renewed so as of the end of 2014 that state and national broadband map
>> program stopped. The solution to continue to collect broadband deployment
>> data was rolled in to the FCC form 477 program. That is where you have the
>> new additional requirement to report not only your customer my census
>> tract, but that you now have to report by law your service areas by census
>> block. The census block service area data will become public information
>> but your customer tract data still remains protected under NDA.
>>
>>
>>
>> If the FCC only has one person on the mapping program that would explain
>> why you all seem to get notices so long after a filing if there are issues
>> AND it also explains why there have been to releases to date of the block
>> level coverage data for carriers by the FCC. That means the most current
>> broadband deployment data available is from the national broadband map and
>> that last round of data was collected and turned in to the NTIA in
>> September of last year. That data has been published.
>>
>>
>>
>> Some states have continued to work on their mapping programs by
>> requesting from carriers their latest 477 block level data, but there is no
>> national effort to do so outside of the FCC.
>>
>>
>>
>> Thank You,
>>
>> Brian Webster
>>
>> www.wirelessmapping.com
>>
>> www.Broadband-Mapping.com
>>
>>
>>
>> *From:* Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] *On Behalf Of *Ty Featherling
>> *Sent:* Thursday, October 01, 2015 10:10 AM
>> *To:* af@afmug.com
>> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] National Broadband Map
>>
>>
>>
>> I bet Brian Webster could shine a little light on it.
>>
>>
>>
>> -Ty
>>
>>
>>
>> On Wed, Sep 30, 2015 at 9:07 PM, CBB - Jay Fuller <
>> par...@cyberbroadband.net> wrote:
>>
>>
>>
>> Ok - two articles that I read today both cite the national broadband map
>> for "information".
>>
>> I wanted to pass along some information I received in a state of Alabama
>> broadband meeting / briefing today.
>>
>>
>>
>> At a conference recently an Alabama state staffer discussed with
>> personnel from the FCC the National Broadband Map.
>>
>> Staffer was told the fcc currently had *one* employee working on that map
>> and to not expect it to be updated anytime soon.
>>
>>
>>
>> There was, and I quote, "little to no funding..." for the project.
>>
>>
>>
>> FYI.
>>
>> grain of salt.
>>
>> take it or leave it.
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> - Original Message -
>>
>> *From:* Ken Hohhof 
>>
>> *To:* af@afmug.com
>>
>> *Sent:* Wednesday, September 30, 2015 8:28 PM
>>
>> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Any of you guys service this guy in the news?
>>
>>
>>
>> Ouch, that Farm Futures article is pretty awful.  Probably what passes
>> for
>> journalism today.
>>
>> I hope you weren't too harsh on her.  Probably some gig economy writer
>> paid
>> a penny a word or something?
>>
>>
>> -Original Message-
>> From: Rick Harnish
>> Sent: Wednesday, September 30, 2015 6:56 PM
>> To: 

Re: [AFMUG] National Broadband Map

[Mike Hammett]

Billing system export to the FCC, that is. 




- 
Mike Hammett 
Intelligent Computing Solutions 
http://www.ics-il.com 

- Original Message -

From: "Jeremy"  
To: af@afmug.com 
Sent: Friday, October 2, 2015 5:08:44 PM 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] National Broadband Map 


The state is so much easier than the FCC. I just send them a basic .kmz file 


On Fri, Oct 2, 2015 at 1:38 PM, Brian Webster < i...@wirelessmapping.com > 
wrote: 





Since the FCC has yet to release any of the 477 public data, you could easily 
send the state your census blocks file. They would at least keep the state map 
updated that way. They can easily process that same file. 

Thank You, 
Brian Webster 
214 Eggleston Hill Rd. 
Cooperstown, NY 13326 
(607) 643-4055 Office 
(607) 435-3988 Mobile 
(208) 692-1898 Fax 
Skype: Radiowebst 
www.wirelessmapping.com 
www.Broadband-Mapping.com 

From: Af [mailto: af-boun...@afmug.com ] On Behalf Of Jeremy 
Sent: Friday, October 02, 2015 10:14 AM 
To: af@afmug.com 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] National Broadband Map 


Our state (Utah) has allocated funds and is continuing the Utah Broadband 
Mapping Initiative ( brodband.utah.gov/map/ ). They called me recently for a 
map update. I mentioned that it is all on the 477 map now and she said they 
were continuing to update the local map independently of the 477 map. 



On Fri, Oct 2, 2015 at 6:12 AM, Brian Webster < i...@wirelessmapping.com > 
wrote: 




The National Broadband Map program was funded through the ARRA program and was 
under the control of the NTIA. That grant funding did not get renewed so as of 
the end of 2014 that state and national broadband map program stopped. The 
solution to continue to collect broadband deployment data was rolled in to the 
FCC form 477 program. That is where you have the new additional requirement to 
report not only your customer my census tract, but that you now have to report 
by law your service areas by census block. The census block service area data 
will become public information but your customer tract data still remains 
protected under NDA. 

If the FCC only has one person on the mapping program that would explain why 
you all seem to get notices so long after a filing if there are issues AND it 
also explains why there have been to releases to date of the block level 
coverage data for carriers by the FCC. That means the most current broadband 
deployment data available is from the national broadband map and that last 
round of data was collected and turned in to the NTIA in September of last 
year. That data has been published. 

Some states have continued to work on their mapping programs by requesting from 
carriers their latest 477 block level data, but there is no national effort to 
do so outside of the FCC. 

Thank You, 
Brian Webster 
www.wirelessmapping.com 
www.Broadband-Mapping.com 

From: Af [mailto: af-boun...@afmug.com ] On Behalf Of Ty Featherling 
Sent: Thursday, October 01, 2015 10:10 AM 
To: af@afmug.com 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] National Broadband Map 




I bet Brian Webster could shine a little light on it. 



-Ty 



On Wed, Sep 30, 2015 at 9:07 PM, CBB - Jay Fuller < par...@cyberbroadband.net > 
wrote: 




Ok - two articles that I read today both cite the national broadband map for 
"information". 

I wanted to pass along some information I received in a state of Alabama 
broadband meeting / briefing today. 



At a conference recently an Alabama state staffer discussed with personnel from 
the FCC the National Broadband Map. 

Staffer was told the fcc currently had *one* employee working on that map and 
to not expect it to be updated anytime soon. 



There was, and I quote, "little to no funding..." for the project. 



FYI. 

grain of salt. 

take it or leave it. 







- Original Message - 

From: Ken Hohhof 

To: af@afmug.com 

Sent: Wednesday, September 30, 2015 8:28 PM 

Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Any of you guys service this guy in the news? 


Ouch, that Farm Futures article is pretty awful. Probably what passes for 
journalism today. 

I hope you weren't too harsh on her. Probably some gig economy writer paid 
a penny a word or something? 


-Original Message- 
From: Rick Harnish 
Sent: Wednesday, September 30, 2015 6:56 PM 
To: af@afmug.com 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Any of you guys service this guy in the news? 

I contacted Peter Maher at Netwurx about the article. They are close. 
Maybe that is who Matthew Howard works for. 

http://www.netwurx.net/wireless-high-speed 

I also wrote an email to Jessica Michael at Farm Futures about her lack of 
knowledge about the Wisp industry yesterday. I haven't heard back from her 
yet. 

http://farmfutures.com/blogs-rural-internet-options-smart-office-10241 

Respectfully, 

Rick Harnish 
Broadband Consultant & Industry Analyst 
260-307-4000 cell 
Skype: rick.harnish.Twitter: 
@rharnish 


> -Original Message- 
> From: Af [mailto: af-boun...@afmug.com ] On Behalf Of Steve 
> 

Re: [AFMUG] National Broadband Map

[Mike Hammett]

Or an export from your billing system. 




- 
Mike Hammett 
Intelligent Computing Solutions 
http://www.ics-il.com 

- Original Message -

From: "Jeremy"  
To: af@afmug.com 
Sent: Friday, October 2, 2015 5:08:44 PM 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] National Broadband Map 


The state is so much easier than the FCC. I just send them a basic .kmz file 


On Fri, Oct 2, 2015 at 1:38 PM, Brian Webster < i...@wirelessmapping.com > 
wrote: 





Since the FCC has yet to release any of the 477 public data, you could easily 
send the state your census blocks file. They would at least keep the state map 
updated that way. They can easily process that same file. 

Thank You, 
Brian Webster 
214 Eggleston Hill Rd. 
Cooperstown, NY 13326 
(607) 643-4055 Office 
(607) 435-3988 Mobile 
(208) 692-1898 Fax 
Skype: Radiowebst 
www.wirelessmapping.com 
www.Broadband-Mapping.com 

From: Af [mailto: af-boun...@afmug.com ] On Behalf Of Jeremy 
Sent: Friday, October 02, 2015 10:14 AM 
To: af@afmug.com 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] National Broadband Map 


Our state (Utah) has allocated funds and is continuing the Utah Broadband 
Mapping Initiative ( brodband.utah.gov/map/ ). They called me recently for a 
map update. I mentioned that it is all on the 477 map now and she said they 
were continuing to update the local map independently of the 477 map. 



On Fri, Oct 2, 2015 at 6:12 AM, Brian Webster < i...@wirelessmapping.com > 
wrote: 




The National Broadband Map program was funded through the ARRA program and was 
under the control of the NTIA. That grant funding did not get renewed so as of 
the end of 2014 that state and national broadband map program stopped. The 
solution to continue to collect broadband deployment data was rolled in to the 
FCC form 477 program. That is where you have the new additional requirement to 
report not only your customer my census tract, but that you now have to report 
by law your service areas by census block. The census block service area data 
will become public information but your customer tract data still remains 
protected under NDA. 

If the FCC only has one person on the mapping program that would explain why 
you all seem to get notices so long after a filing if there are issues AND it 
also explains why there have been to releases to date of the block level 
coverage data for carriers by the FCC. That means the most current broadband 
deployment data available is from the national broadband map and that last 
round of data was collected and turned in to the NTIA in September of last 
year. That data has been published. 

Some states have continued to work on their mapping programs by requesting from 
carriers their latest 477 block level data, but there is no national effort to 
do so outside of the FCC. 

Thank You, 
Brian Webster 
www.wirelessmapping.com 
www.Broadband-Mapping.com 

From: Af [mailto: af-boun...@afmug.com ] On Behalf Of Ty Featherling 
Sent: Thursday, October 01, 2015 10:10 AM 
To: af@afmug.com 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] National Broadband Map 




I bet Brian Webster could shine a little light on it. 



-Ty 



On Wed, Sep 30, 2015 at 9:07 PM, CBB - Jay Fuller < par...@cyberbroadband.net > 
wrote: 




Ok - two articles that I read today both cite the national broadband map for 
"information". 

I wanted to pass along some information I received in a state of Alabama 
broadband meeting / briefing today. 



At a conference recently an Alabama state staffer discussed with personnel from 
the FCC the National Broadband Map. 

Staffer was told the fcc currently had *one* employee working on that map and 
to not expect it to be updated anytime soon. 



There was, and I quote, "little to no funding..." for the project. 



FYI. 

grain of salt. 

take it or leave it. 







- Original Message - 

From: Ken Hohhof 

To: af@afmug.com 

Sent: Wednesday, September 30, 2015 8:28 PM 

Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Any of you guys service this guy in the news? 


Ouch, that Farm Futures article is pretty awful. Probably what passes for 
journalism today. 

I hope you weren't too harsh on her. Probably some gig economy writer paid 
a penny a word or something? 


-Original Message- 
From: Rick Harnish 
Sent: Wednesday, September 30, 2015 6:56 PM 
To: af@afmug.com 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Any of you guys service this guy in the news? 

I contacted Peter Maher at Netwurx about the article. They are close. 
Maybe that is who Matthew Howard works for. 

http://www.netwurx.net/wireless-high-speed 

I also wrote an email to Jessica Michael at Farm Futures about her lack of 
knowledge about the Wisp industry yesterday. I haven't heard back from her 
yet. 

http://farmfutures.com/blogs-rural-internet-options-smart-office-10241 

Respectfully, 

Rick Harnish 
Broadband Consultant & Industry Analyst 
260-307-4000 cell 
Skype: rick.harnish.Twitter: 
@rharnish 


> -Original Message- 
> From: Af [mailto: af-boun...@afmug.com ] On Behalf Of Steve 
> Sent: 

Re: [AFMUG] simple online traceroute monitoring

[That One Guy /sarcasm]

Thats an amazing document. I didnt even tldr it

On Fri, Oct 2, 2015 at 6:43 PM, Colin Stanners  wrote:

> That's a very interesting document, thanks Ken.
>
> On Fri, Oct 2, 2015 at 5:02 PM, Ken Hohhof  wrote:
>
>> When the customer has read and understood this document, maybe listen to
>> his traceroute complaints:
>>
>> https://www.nanog.org/meetings/nanog45/presentations/Sunday/RAS_traceroute_N45.pdf
>>
>> Latency or packet loss to a certain hop but not beyond sounds like a
>> control plane vs data plane issue and not a real problem to be complaining
>> about.
>>
>> Seriously, if the packets are making it to hop N+1, they are clearly
>> making it to hop N, and if traceroute says otherwise it’s because some
>> router or layer 3 switch in the middle has better things to do than respond
>> to all your pings.
>>
>>
>> *From:* Mike Hammett 
>> *Sent:* Friday, October 02, 2015 4:09 PM
>> *To:* af@afmug.com
>> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] simple online traceroute monitoring
>>
>> That's probably it.
>>
>>
>>
>> -
>> Mike Hammett
>> Intelligent Computing Solutions
>> http://www.ics-il.com
>>
>> --
>> *From: *"That One Guy /sarcasm" 
>> *To: *af@afmug.com
>> *Sent: *Friday, October 2, 2015 3:52:42 PM
>> *Subject: *Re: [AFMUG] simple online traceroute monitoring
>>
>> May have to go that route. Its a rare occasion I need to do this, but
>> when it gets to the point I can turn on icmp in their router for them. The
>> current customer in particulare is seeing packetloss upstream to certain
>> hops but not beyond, we dont see it in our tracroutes. Im beginning to
>> wonder if hes not running so much ICMP that his IP isnt hitting a threshold
>> and getting filtered out on the upstream device.
>>
>> On Fri, Oct 2, 2015 at 1:33 PM, Sterling Jacobson 
>> wrote:
>>
>>> That would be cool to check from the outside, but wouldn’t that require
>>> their router to have ICMP open?
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> That’s not often the default on most home routers, right?
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> It’s so simple to provision and use a hosted VM these days, that it’s
>>> probably just the way to go.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> I mean for $50 a month you can get a full instance of Windows from
>>> Amazon hosted services that includes Office too!
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> *From:* Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] *On Behalf Of *That One Guy
>>> /sarcasm
>>> *Sent:* Friday, October 2, 2015 12:31 PM
>>> *To:* af@afmug.com
>>> *Subject:* [AFMUG] simple online traceroute monitoring
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> I use a couple products, pingploter and multiping to monitor outbound
>>> paths, latency and loss. I'm looking for a simple online product to do the
>>> same. Everything I find seems geared to full website monitoring like
>>> monitis and whatnot. Any recommendations beyond ordering some hosted space
>>> and installing the two apps I use to monitor and alert inbound connectivity
>>> issues?
>>>
>>> This is primarily for monitoring problem customers why complain about
>>> latency and loss not really visible from inside our network to them.
>>>
>>> --
>>>
>>> If you only see yourself as part of the team but you don't see your team
>>> as part of yourself you have already failed as part of the team.
>>>
>>
>>
>>
>> --
>> If you only see yourself as part of the team but you don't see your team
>> as part of yourself you have already failed as part of the team.
>>
>>
>
>


-- 
If you only see yourself as part of the team but you don't see your team as
part of yourself you have already failed as part of the team.

Re: [AFMUG] simple online traceroute monitoring

[Mike Hammett]

Check out ChiNOG. There have been similar presentations. Last time there was on 
about HFT from a guy I know. 




- 
Mike Hammett 
Intelligent Computing Solutions 
http://www.ics-il.com 

- Original Message -

From: "That One Guy /sarcasm"  
To: af@afmug.com 
Sent: Friday, October 2, 2015 10:26:59 PM 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] simple online traceroute monitoring 


Thats an amazing document. I didnt even tldr it 


On Fri, Oct 2, 2015 at 6:43 PM, Colin Stanners < cstann...@gmail.com > wrote: 



That's a very interesting document, thanks Ken. 



On Fri, Oct 2, 2015 at 5:02 PM, Ken Hohhof < af...@kwisp.com > wrote: 






When the customer has read and understood this document, maybe listen to his 
traceroute complaints: 
https://www.nanog.org/meetings/nanog45/presentations/Sunday/RAS_traceroute_N45.pdf
 

Latency or packet loss to a certain hop but not beyond sounds like a control 
plane vs data plane issue and not a real problem to be complaining about. 

Seriously, if the packets are making it to hop N+1, they are clearly making it 
to hop N, and if traceroute says otherwise it’s because some router or layer 3 
switch in the middle has better things to do than respond to all your pings. 





From: Mike Hammett 
Sent: Friday, October 02, 2015 4:09 PM 
To: af@afmug.com 




Subject: Re: [AFMUG] simple online traceroute monitoring 






That's probably it. 




- 
Mike Hammett 
Intelligent Computing Solutions 
http://www.ics-il.com 



From: "That One Guy /sarcasm" < thatoneguyst...@gmail.com > 
To: af@afmug.com 
Sent: Friday, October 2, 2015 3:52:42 PM 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] simple online traceroute monitoring 


May have to go that route. Its a rare occasion I need to do this, but when it 
gets to the point I can turn on icmp in their router for them. The current 
customer in particulare is seeing packetloss upstream to certain hops but not 
beyond, we dont see it in our tracroutes. Im beginning to wonder if hes not 
running so much ICMP that his IP isnt hitting a threshold and getting filtered 
out on the upstream device. 


On Fri, Oct 2, 2015 at 1:33 PM, Sterling Jacobson < sterl...@avative.net > 
wrote: 





That would be cool to check from the outside, but wouldn’t that require their 
router to have ICMP open? 

That’s not often the default on most home routers, right? 

It’s so simple to provision and use a hosted VM these days, that it’s probably 
just the way to go. 

I mean for $50 a month you can get a full instance of Windows from Amazon 
hosted services that includes Office too! 



From: Af [mailto: af-boun...@afmug.com ] On Behalf Of That One Guy /sarcasm 
Sent: Friday, October 2, 2015 12:31 PM 
To: af@afmug.com 
Subject: [AFMUG] simple online traceroute monitoring 





I use a couple products, pingploter and multiping to monitor outbound paths, 
latency and loss. I'm looking for a simple online product to do the same. 
Everything I find seems geared to full website monitoring like monitis and 
whatnot. Any recommendations beyond ordering some hosted space and installing 
the two apps I use to monitor and alert inbound connectivity issues? 

This is primarily for monitoring problem customers why complain about latency 
and loss not really visible from inside our network to them. 

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