Re: [AFMUG] The latest gig city

[CBB - Jay Fuller]

Just had a serious debate with a significant other over that very topic...

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- Reply message -
From: "Ken Hohhof" 
To: 
Subject: [AFMUG] The latest gig city
Date: Thu, Sep 15, 2016 12:12 AM

Interesting.

Of course, one way to read the numbers is they could “upgrade” all the 
110/50 customers to 1000/1000 and the only change would be $400 less revenue 
per 
month, and probably no more bandwidth usage.  This is probably the 
marketing approach of most gigabit ISPs.  If some killer app comes out that 
actually uses gigabit speeds, their bluff is called.





From: CBB - Jay Fuller 
Sent: Wednesday, September 14, 2016 11:40 PM
To: af@afmug.com 
Subject: [AFMUG] The latest gig city




One subscriber at the gig level

http://spectator.org/alabamas-gig-city-has-one-gigabit-broadband-subscriber/

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Re: [AFMUG] The latest gig city

[CBB - Jay Fuller]

HahNo 

My dad has played golf with them tho

Hopefully they call it light...not lite 

Good numbers for reference tho.

Their size is similar to ours (in terms of city size)


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- Reply message -
From: "George Skorup" 
To: 
Subject: [AFMUG] The latest gig city
Date: Thu, Sep 15, 2016 12:11 AM

Um.. you're, like, not related to the mayor, right?



"Opelika Mayor Gary Fuller told..."



And calling a service "Lite" is stupid.



On 9/14/2016 11:40 PM, CBB - Jay Fuller
wrote:









One subscriber at the gig level





http://spectator.org/alabamas-gig-city-has-one-gigabit-broadband-subscriber/





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Re: [AFMUG] The latest gig city

[Ken Hohhof]

Interesting.

Of course, one way to read the numbers is they could “upgrade” all the 110/50 
customers to 1000/1000 and the only change would be $400 less revenue per 
month, and probably no more bandwidth usage.  This is probably the marketing 
approach of most gigabit ISPs.  If some killer app comes out that actually uses 
gigabit speeds, their bluff is called.


From: CBB - Jay Fuller 
Sent: Wednesday, September 14, 2016 11:40 PM
To: af@afmug.com 
Subject: [AFMUG] The latest gig city


One subscriber at the gig level

http://spectator.org/alabamas-gig-city-has-one-gigabit-broadband-subscriber/

Sent from my Verizon 4G LTE Smartphone

Re: [AFMUG] The latest gig city

[George Skorup]

Um.. you're, like, not related to the mayor, right?

"Opelika Mayor Gary Fuller told..."

And calling a service "Lite" is stupid.

On 9/14/2016 11:40 PM, CBB - Jay Fuller wrote:


One subscriber at the gig level

http://spectator.org/alabamas-gig-city-has-one-gigabit-broadband-subscriber/

Sent from my Verizon 4G LTE Smartphone

[AFMUG] The latest gig city

[CBB - Jay Fuller]

One subscriber at the gig level

http://spectator.org/alabamas-gig-city-has-one-gigabit-broadband-subscriber/

Sent from my Verizon 4G LTE Smartphone

Re: [AFMUG] Cambium PMP450i POE

[Mathew Howard]

If we're talking 5ghz, don't the SM and AP both use the same PoE? For
900mhz, an SM would obviously work perfectly fine with an FSK PoE.

On Wed, Sep 14, 2016 at 5:21 PM, Ken Hohhof  wrote:

> AP or SM?
>
> And what do you want to know?
>
> *From:* Carl Peterson 
> *Sent:* Wednesday, September 14, 2016 5:04 PM
> *To:* af@afmug.com
> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Cambium PMP450i POE
>
> asking for a friend...
>
>
>>
>>

Re: [AFMUG] Single mode attenuators needed at 30m

[Faisal Imtiaz]

Just to clarify for the inquiring minds... 

10km & 20km optics tend to have the same TX power, but 20km have better RX 
sensitivity. 

There is a fair amount of variance by MFG in specs, and also variance in 
individual optics out of the same batch. 

So stuff that is TX with less than 1db of power, you should be perfectly fine.. 
but stuff that is TX with more then 1db of power, then you should attenuate to 
make sure you are getting about a -3 on RX. 

Faisal Imtiaz 
Snappy Internet & Telecom 
7266 SW 48 Street 
Miami, FL 33155 
Tel: 305 663 5518 x 232 

Help-desk: (305)663-5518 Option 2 or Email: supp...@snappytelecom.net 

> From: "George Skorup" 
> To: af@afmug.com
> Sent: Wednesday, September 14, 2016 9:55:22 PM
> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Single mode attenuators needed at 30m

> I use the MikroTik and FS 20km SFPs with short patch cables all the time.
> Nothing bad has happened yet. DDM reports the Rx power around -6dBm, but you
> can't always trust the DDM data, however I highly doubt they're overloaded.
> Then we have customers at about 2-4 miles usually around -9 to -11. When the
> contractor doesn't screw up anyway. Had a couple at -21 and they still worked.
> Not even any errors with traffic load.

> I agree completely, buy a light meter.

> On 9/14/2016 8:16 PM, Faisal Imtiaz wrote:

>> My humble suggestion:-

>> invest in a light meter. not need to guess..
>> Get a $50 unit from FS.com or amazon... they are not junk, and get the job 
>> done.

>> Standard optics (SMF) 10km should be fine with shorter cables.
>> LR (Long Range) 40K or up... you can have them overload the receiver...

>> A tip shared from the field
>> Keep an #2 pencil handy if you need to make an attenuation in a hurry 
>> !...
>> take the fiber cable and start warping it around the pencil as tightly as you
>> can ..
>> and tape it so that it does not unwind.

>> I have tested this  using a light meter... and yes it does work, you may
>> need to give it 15 or more turns

>> BTW those optics putting out 4db those are meant to light up 40km or 60km
>> links.. but are also used in link where there is lots of loss expected due to
>> Mux/Demux or other passive device..
>> and yes you don't want to use these with a short cables :)

>> Faisal Imtiaz
>> Snappy Internet & Telecom
>> 7266 SW 48 Street
>> Miami, FL 33155
>> Tel: 305 663 5518 x 232

>> Help-desk: (305)663-5518 Option 2 or Email: supp...@snappytelecom.net

>>> From: "trey" 
>>> To: af@afmug.com
>>> Sent: Wednesday, September 14, 2016 7:08:55 PM
>>> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Single mode attenuators needed at 30m

>>> You should not need any attenuation if you are using the same lr sfp/xfp on 
>>> both
>>> ends. However there is a small chance if they are different part numbers or
>>> manufacturers that one may transmit at the same or greater than the others 
>>> max
>>> receive level. Typically it is a .5-1db tx with a max rx of 3-4. I have ran
>>> into some 4db tx XFPs though. It will probably work fine like that, but I 
>>> have
>>> had a couple trickle errors under high utilization.
>>> I would say it's always best to keep some attenuators on hand probably 5db 
>>> and
>>> 10db with those you can make just about any optic work at any distance less
>>> than what they are rated. I personally carry around everything from 1-20db
>>> because of manualy balancing dwdm systems and seem to go through 4,7 and 13s
>>> the most.

>>>  Original message 
>>> From: Chuck McCown 
>>> Date: 9/14/16 5:19 PM (GMT-06:00)
>>> To: af@afmug.com
>>> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Single mode attenuators needed at 30m

>>> The SFP spec will have an absolute maximum RX level. If I remember 
>>> correctly,
>>> last one I checked was higher than the max TX level of 4 dBm. Seems like the
>>> absolute max RX was something like 16 or 20 dBm.
>>> From: Eric Kuhnke
>>> Sent: Wednesday, September 14, 2016 2:41 PM
>>> To: af@afmug.com
>>> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Single mode attenuators needed at 30m
>>> Those are totally safe to use with even a 1 meter fiber patch cable between 
>>> two
>>> pieces of gear in the same rack.

>>> On Wed, Sep 14, 2016 at 1:39 PM, TJ Trout < t...@voltbb.com > wrote:

 1310 10gb 10km
 On Wed, Sep 14, 2016 at 1:38 PM, Eric Kuhnke < eric.kuh...@gmail.com > 
 wrote:

> What frequency and tx power of singlemode? You do not need to attenuate 
> 1GbE
> 1310nm LX (5-10km reach) or 10GbE 1310nm LX optics for very short 
> distances.
> Tons of ISPs use all 1310/LX optics for intra-rack and intra-suite fiber 
> XCs
> because they're cheap, easy and multimode is dumb.

> If you are using optics which are marketed as capable of 20, 40 or more 
> km reach
> (and/or 1490nm, 1550nm optics) you do need to attenuate on the Rx.
> On Wed, Sep 14, 2016 at 11:20 AM, TJ Trout < t...@voltbb.com > wrote:

>> Do I need to pad my optics at 100ft? Or could someone tell me how to 

[AFMUG] Public WiFi might be a little too public

[Rory Conaway]

http://muniwireless.com/2016/09/14/linknyc-epic-fail/

Rory Conaway * Triad Wireless * CEO
4226 S. 37th Street * Phoenix * AZ 85040
602-426-0542
r...@triadwireless.net
www.triadwireless.net

"The other teams could make trouble for us if they win." - Yogi Berra

Re: [AFMUG] Has anyone seen a bluetooth beaconing device that can be reprogrammed with Wifi

[Lewis Bergman]

I think by definition, beacons are Bluetooth and so would not work with
WiFi. I have heard of one that can tien a raspberry pi into a beacon so I
guys someone could bridge the two with that.

On Wed, Sep 14, 2016, 9:30 PM Rory Conaway  wrote:

> I’d like to find one that can be changed remotely and in group blocks.
>
>
>
>
>
> *Rory Conaway **• Triad Wireless •** CEO*
>
> *4226 S. 37th Street • Phoenix • AZ 85040*
>
> *602-426-0542*
>
> *r...@triadwireless.net *
>
> *www.triadwireless.net *
>
>
>
> “The other teams could make trouble for us if they win.” — Yogi Berra
>
>
>

[AFMUG] Has anyone seen a bluetooth beaconing device that can be reprogrammed with Wifi

[Rory Conaway]

I'd like to find one that can be changed remotely and in group blocks.


Rory Conaway * Triad Wireless * CEO
4226 S. 37th Street * Phoenix * AZ 85040
602-426-0542
r...@triadwireless.net
www.triadwireless.net

"The other teams could make trouble for us if they win." - Yogi Berra

Re: [AFMUG] Drilling into roof

[Josh Reynolds]

+1 same

...and good insurance just in case, with the customer always signing the
install waiver/docs.

On Sep 14, 2016 8:56 PM, "Colin Stanners"  wrote:

> I've done 1000+ installs drilling through roofs and have never seen water
> damage due to our work. With good application of sealant, in the hole and
> between the surfaces a bit before driving a lag, and making sure to hit
> studs where needed, installs won't leak unless a really strong storm blows
> them apart, and in that case it's not your problem.
>
> On Wed, Sep 14, 2016 at 8:16 PM, Jerry Head 
> wrote:
>
>> No drilling through roofs here either. One water damage repair can offset
>> 2-3 years of revenue from that customer easily.
>>
>>
>> On 9/14/2016 11:26 AM, Jay Weekley wrote:
>>
>>> We do.  I know people do it all the time safely but I'm not that lucky
>>> and if anyone else messes up then I'll be the one having to deal with it.
>>>
>>> TJ Trout wrote:
>>>

 These days mounting a tripod on someone's roof makes me real nervous
 even though I've done hundreds before. Does anyone have a no roof drilling
 policy? Or am I just being too careful?


>>>
>>
>

Re: [AFMUG] Drilling into roof

[Colin Stanners]

I've done 1000+ installs drilling through roofs and have never seen water
damage due to our work. With good application of sealant, in the hole and
between the surfaces a bit before driving a lag, and making sure to hit
studs where needed, installs won't leak unless a really strong storm blows
them apart, and in that case it's not your problem.

On Wed, Sep 14, 2016 at 8:16 PM, Jerry Head 
wrote:

> No drilling through roofs here either. One water damage repair can offset
> 2-3 years of revenue from that customer easily.
>
>
> On 9/14/2016 11:26 AM, Jay Weekley wrote:
>
>> We do.  I know people do it all the time safely but I'm not that lucky
>> and if anyone else messes up then I'll be the one having to deal with it.
>>
>> TJ Trout wrote:
>>
>>>
>>> These days mounting a tripod on someone's roof makes me real nervous
>>> even though I've done hundreds before. Does anyone have a no roof drilling
>>> policy? Or am I just being too careful?
>>>
>>>
>>
>

Re: [AFMUG] Single mode attenuators needed at 30m

[George Skorup]

I use the MikroTik and FS 20km SFPs with short patch cables all the 
time. Nothing bad has happened yet. DDM reports the Rx power around 
-6dBm, but you can't always trust the DDM data, however I highly doubt 
they're overloaded. Then we have customers at about 2-4 miles usually 
around -9 to -11. When the contractor doesn't screw up anyway. Had a 
couple at -21 and they still worked. Not even any errors with traffic load.


I agree completely, buy a light meter.

On 9/14/2016 8:16 PM, Faisal Imtiaz wrote:

My humble suggestion:-

invest in a light meter.  not need to guess..
Get a $50 unit from FS.com or amazon... they are not junk, and get the 
job done.


Standard optics (SMF) 10km should be fine  with shorter cables.
LR (Long Range) 40K or up... you can have them overload the receiver...

A tip shared from the field
Keep an #2 pencil handy if you need to make an attenuation in a 
hurry !... take the fiber cable and start warping it around the pencil 
as tightly as you can ..

and tape it so that it does not unwind.

I have tested this  using a light meter... and yes it does work, 
you may need to give it 15 or more turns


BTW those optics putting out 4db  those are meant to light up 40km or 
60km links.. but are also used in link where there is lots of loss 
expected due to Mux/Demux or other passive device..

and yes you don't want to use these with a short cables :)

Faisal Imtiaz
Snappy Internet & Telecom
7266 SW 48 Street
Miami, FL 33155
Tel: 305 663 5518 x 232

Help-desk: (305)663-5518 Option 2 or Email: supp...@snappytelecom.net



*From: *"trey" 
*To: *af@afmug.com
*Sent: *Wednesday, September 14, 2016 7:08:55 PM
*Subject: *Re: [AFMUG] Single mode attenuators needed at 30m

You should not need any attenuation if you are using the same lr
sfp/xfp on both ends. However there is a small chance if they are
different part numbers or manufacturers that one may transmit at
the same or greater than the others max receive level. Typically
it is a .5-1db tx with a max rx of 3-4. I have ran into some 4db
tx XFPs though. It will probably work fine like that, but I have
had a couple trickle errors under high utilization.
I would say it's always best to keep some attenuators on hand
probably 5db and 10db with those you can make just about any optic
work at any distance less than what they are rated. I personally
carry around everything from 1-20db because of manualy balancing
dwdm systems and seem to go through 4,7 and 13s the most.

 Original message 
From: Chuck McCown 
Date: 9/14/16 5:19 PM (GMT-06:00)
To: af@afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Single mode attenuators needed at 30m

The SFP  spec will have an absolute maximum RX level.  If I
remember correctly, last one I checked was higher than the max TX
level of 4 dBm.  Seems like the absolute max RX was something like
16 or 20 dBm.
*From:* Eric Kuhnke 
*Sent:* Wednesday, September 14, 2016 2:41 PM
*To:* af@afmug.com 
*Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Single mode attenuators needed at 30m
Those are totally safe to use with even a 1 meter fiber patch
cable between two pieces of gear in the same rack.

On Wed, Sep 14, 2016 at 1:39 PM, TJ Trout > wrote:

1310 10gb 10km
On Wed, Sep 14, 2016 at 1:38 PM, Eric Kuhnke
> wrote:

What frequency and tx power of singlemode?  You do not
need to attenuate 1GbE 1310nm LX (5-10km reach) or 10GbE
1310nm LX optics for very short distances. Tons of ISPs
use all 1310/LX optics for intra-rack and intra-suite
fiber XCs because they're cheap, easy and multimode is dumb.

If you are using optics which are marketed as capable of
20, 40 or more km reach (and/or 1490nm, 1550nm optics) you
do need to attenuate on the Rx.
On Wed, Sep 14, 2016 at 11:20 AM, TJ Trout > wrote:

Do I need to pad my optics at 100ft? Or could someone
tell me how to estimate the loss so I can compare to
the spec?

Re: [AFMUG] Drilling into roof

[Jay Weekley]

We have do relocations from time to time due to foliage growth which 
makes mounts on roofs less appealing.


Jeremy wrote:
Everything goes at the peak.  All roofs get drilled.  Mastic under 
everything, Henry's over if needed.


On Wed, Sep 14, 2016 at 7:16 PM, Jerry Head > wrote:


No drilling through roofs here either. One water damage repair can
offset 2-3 years of revenue from that customer easily.


On 9/14/2016 11:26 AM, Jay Weekley wrote:

We do.  I know people do it all the time safely but I'm not
that lucky and if anyone else messes up then I'll be the one
having to deal with it.

TJ Trout wrote:


These days mounting a tripod on someone's roof makes me
real nervous even though I've done hundreds before. Does
anyone have a no roof drilling policy? Or am I just being
too careful?

Re: [AFMUG] Drilling into roof

[Jeremy]

Those clamps are amazing!  What a great idea for metal roofs. We try not to
ever drill into metal roofs.  What a pain to stock them all though.  Do you
guys reschedule and order parts, or do you find one that works for most
roofing styles in your area?

On Wed, Sep 14, 2016 at 2:37 PM, Christopher Tyler  wrote:

> Only if you wrench them down. And they seem to have clamps for just about
> any type of metal roof you can imagine on their website.
> http://www.s-5.com/clamps/index_1048.cfm
>
> --
> Christopher Tyler
> MTCRE/MTCNA/MTCTCE/MTCWE
> Total Highspeed Internet Services
> 417.851.1107
>
> - Original Message -
> From: "Chuck McCown" 
> To: af@afmug.com
> Sent: Wednesday, September 14, 2016 11:53:56 AM
> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Drilling into roof
>
> Do those clamps smash the seam flat?
>
> -Original Message-
> From: Christopher Tyler
> Sent: Wednesday, September 14, 2016 10:38 AM
> To: af@afmug.com
> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Drilling into roof
>
> For example...
>
> --
> Christopher Tyler
> MTCRE/MTCNA/MTCTCE/MTCWE
> Total Highspeed Internet Services
> 417.851.1107
>
> - Original Message -
> From: "Christopher Tyler" 
> To: af@afmug.com
> Sent: Wednesday, September 14, 2016 11:36:08 AM
> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Drilling into roof
>
> They make clamps for metal roofs, so you don't have to drill into them,
> non-penetrating.
>
> --
> Christopher Tyler
> MTCRE/MTCNA/MTCTCE/MTCWE
> Total Highspeed Internet Services
> 417.851.1107
>
> - Original Message -
> From: "Ken Hohhof" 
> To: af@afmug.com
> Sent: Wednesday, September 14, 2016 11:24:51 AM
> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Drilling into roof
>
> Yeah, but you live in an area with those red tile roofs, right?
>
> We are starting to get metal roofs on houses, and I'm the same way, I won't
> lag into those.  Plus they reflect RF.
>
>
> -Original Message-
> From: Gilbert T. Gutierrez, Jr.
> Sent: Wednesday, September 14, 2016 11:11 AM
> To: af@afmug.com
> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Drilling into roof
>
> We will not drill into a roof. If a roof penetration is necessary, we
> have the customer's roofer make it so that we do not own it.
>
> Gilbert
>
> Phoenix Internet
>
>
> On 9/14/2016 8:18 AM, TJ Trout wrote:
> >
> > These days mounting a tripod on someone's roof makes me real nervous even
> > though I've done hundreds before. Does anyone have a no roof drilling
> > policy? Or am I just being too careful?
> >
>
>
>

Re: [AFMUG] Tar Tape Sealent

[Jeremy]

We use PV2632 from perfect-10.tv and cut it into strips and apply it to the
bottom of the mast.  We have a technique to keep it from twisting up.

On Wed, Sep 14, 2016 at 4:55 PM, That One Guy /sarcasm <
thatoneguyst...@gmail.com> wrote:

> We just put lags through the plate and a small wrap of mastic, sucks down
> and seals withoum creating a dam
>
> On Sep 14, 2016 10:42 AM, "Chuck McCown"  wrote:
>
>> Short piece of steel schedule 40 tubing beveled on one end makes a great
>> cookie cutter for bolt holes.
>>
>> *From:* Ken Hohhof 
>> *Sent:* Wednesday, September 14, 2016 9:24 AM
>> *To:* af@afmug.com
>> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Tar Tape Sealent
>>
>> Another name is “pitch pad”.  But rather than buy little pads, I just use
>> butyl mastic tape, like 3M 2229 in 3 inch width, and cover the whole bottom
>> of the J-arm base.  I also find it helps if you use some sort of tool to
>> cut out a hole where the lags go through, to prevent the lags from grabbing
>> onto the tape and trying to twist it into a knot.
>>
>>
>> *From:* Jaime Solorza 
>> *Sent:* Wednesday, September 14, 2016 10:17 AM
>> *To:* Animal Farm 
>> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Tar Tape Sealent
>>
>>
>> Ronard sells it I believe
>>
>> On Sep 14, 2016 9:12 AM, "Matt"  wrote:
>>
>>> Looking for a source of tar tape.  The type to put under j-arm mount
>>> to seal holes when putting on a shingled roof.
>>>
>>

Re: [AFMUG] Drilling into roof

[Jeremy]

Everything goes at the peak.  All roofs get drilled.  Mastic under
everything, Henry's over if needed.

On Wed, Sep 14, 2016 at 7:16 PM, Jerry Head 
wrote:

> No drilling through roofs here either. One water damage repair can offset
> 2-3 years of revenue from that customer easily.
>
>
> On 9/14/2016 11:26 AM, Jay Weekley wrote:
>
>> We do.  I know people do it all the time safely but I'm not that lucky
>> and if anyone else messes up then I'll be the one having to deal with it.
>>
>> TJ Trout wrote:
>>
>>>
>>> These days mounting a tripod on someone's roof makes me real nervous
>>> even though I've done hundreds before. Does anyone have a no roof drilling
>>> policy? Or am I just being too careful?
>>>
>>>
>>
>

Re: [AFMUG] Single mode attenuators needed at 30m

[Faisal Imtiaz]

My humble suggestion:- 

invest in a light meter. not need to guess.. 
Get a $50 unit from FS.com or amazon... they are not junk, and get the job 
done. 

Standard optics (SMF) 10km should be fine with shorter cables. 
LR (Long Range) 40K or up... you can have them overload the receiver... 

A tip shared from the field 
Keep an #2 pencil handy if you need to make an attenuation in a hurry !... 
take the fiber cable and start warping it around the pencil as tightly as you 
can .. 
and tape it so that it does not unwind. 

I have tested this  using a light meter... and yes it does work, you may 
need to give it 15 or more turns 

BTW those optics putting out 4db those are meant to light up 40km or 60km 
links.. but are also used in link where there is lots of loss expected due to 
Mux/Demux or other passive device.. 
and yes you don't want to use these with a short cables :) 

Faisal Imtiaz 
Snappy Internet & Telecom 
7266 SW 48 Street 
Miami, FL 33155 
Tel: 305 663 5518 x 232 

Help-desk: (305)663-5518 Option 2 or Email: supp...@snappytelecom.net 

> From: "trey" 
> To: af@afmug.com
> Sent: Wednesday, September 14, 2016 7:08:55 PM
> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Single mode attenuators needed at 30m

> You should not need any attenuation if you are using the same lr sfp/xfp on 
> both
> ends. However there is a small chance if they are different part numbers or
> manufacturers that one may transmit at the same or greater than the others max
> receive level. Typically it is a .5-1db tx with a max rx of 3-4. I have ran
> into some 4db tx XFPs though. It will probably work fine like that, but I have
> had a couple trickle errors under high utilization.
> I would say it's always best to keep some attenuators on hand probably 5db and
> 10db with those you can make just about any optic work at any distance less
> than what they are rated. I personally carry around everything from 1-20db
> because of manualy balancing dwdm systems and seem to go through 4,7 and 13s
> the most.

>  Original message 
> From: Chuck McCown 
> Date: 9/14/16 5:19 PM (GMT-06:00)
> To: af@afmug.com
> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Single mode attenuators needed at 30m

> The SFP spec will have an absolute maximum RX level. If I remember correctly,
> last one I checked was higher than the max TX level of 4 dBm. Seems like the
> absolute max RX was something like 16 or 20 dBm.
> From: Eric Kuhnke
> Sent: Wednesday, September 14, 2016 2:41 PM
> To: af@afmug.com
> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Single mode attenuators needed at 30m
> Those are totally safe to use with even a 1 meter fiber patch cable between 
> two
> pieces of gear in the same rack.

> On Wed, Sep 14, 2016 at 1:39 PM, TJ Trout < t...@voltbb.com > wrote:

>> 1310 10gb 10km
>> On Wed, Sep 14, 2016 at 1:38 PM, Eric Kuhnke < eric.kuh...@gmail.com > wrote:

>>> What frequency and tx power of singlemode? You do not need to attenuate 1GbE
>>> 1310nm LX (5-10km reach) or 10GbE 1310nm LX optics for very short distances.
>>> Tons of ISPs use all 1310/LX optics for intra-rack and intra-suite fiber XCs
>>> because they're cheap, easy and multimode is dumb.

>>> If you are using optics which are marketed as capable of 20, 40 or more km 
>>> reach
>>> (and/or 1490nm, 1550nm optics) you do need to attenuate on the Rx.
>>> On Wed, Sep 14, 2016 at 11:20 AM, TJ Trout < t...@voltbb.com > wrote:

 Do I need to pad my optics at 100ft? Or could someone tell me how to 
 estimate
 the loss so I can compare to the spec?

Re: [AFMUG] Drilling into roof

[Jerry Head]

No drilling through roofs here either. One water damage repair can 
offset 2-3 years of revenue from that customer easily.



On 9/14/2016 11:26 AM, Jay Weekley wrote:
We do.  I know people do it all the time safely but I'm not that lucky 
and if anyone else messes up then I'll be the one having to deal with it.


TJ Trout wrote:


These days mounting a tripod on someone's roof makes me real nervous 
even though I've done hundreds before. Does anyone have a no roof 
drilling policy? Or am I just being too careful?

Re: [AFMUG] Single mode attenuators needed at 30m

[trey]

You should not need any attenuation if you are using the same lr sfp/xfp on 
both ends. However there is a small chance if they are different part numbers 
or manufacturers that one may transmit at the same or greater than the others 
max receive level. Typically it is a .5-1db tx with a max rx of 3-4. I have ran 
into some 4db tx XFPs though. It will probably work fine like that, but I have 
had a couple trickle errors under high utilization.
I would say it's always best to keep some attenuators on hand probably 5db and 
10db with those you can make just about any optic work at any distance less 
than what they are rated. I personally carry around everything from 1-20db 
because of manualy balancing dwdm systems and seem to go through 4,7 and 13s 
the most.
 Original message From: Chuck McCown  Date: 
9/14/16  5:19 PM  (GMT-06:00) To: af@afmug.com Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Single mode 
attenuators needed at 30m 



The SFP  spec will have an absolute maximum RX level.  If I 
remember correctly, last one I checked was higher than the max TX level of 4 
dBm.  Seems like the absolute max RX was something like 16 or 20 dBm.


 

From: Eric Kuhnke 
Sent: Wednesday, September 14, 2016 2:41 PM
To: af@afmug.com 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Single mode attenuators needed at 
30m
 

Those are totally safe to use with even a 1 meter fiber patch cable 
between two pieces of gear in the same rack.



 
On Wed, Sep 14, 2016 at 1:39 PM, TJ Trout  wrote:


  1310 10gb 10km
  
   
  On Wed, Sep 14, 2016 at 1:38 PM, Eric Kuhnke 
   wrote:

  
What frequency and tx power of singlemode?  You do not 
need to attenuate 1GbE 1310nm LX (5-10km reach) or 10GbE 1310nm LX optics 
for very short distances. Tons of ISPs use all 1310/LX optics for 
intra-rack 
and intra-suite fiber XCs because they're cheap, easy and multimode is 
dumb. 


If you are using optics which are marketed as capable of 20, 40 or 
more km reach (and/or 1490nm, 1550nm optics) you do need to attenuate on 
the 
Rx.




 
On Wed, Sep 14, 2016 at 11:20 AM, TJ Trout 
 wrote:


  Do I need to pad my optics at 100ft? Or could someone tell me 
  how to estimate the loss so I can compare to the 
spec?
 
   
 

Re: [AFMUG] SM attenuators

[Eric Kuhnke]

I know it works but please don't do this. If I walk into a customer POP or
carrier/partner ISP POP and see fiber attenuated this way I'm going to
laugh at them...  Inline SC/UPC-SC/UPC or LC/UPC-LC/UPC attenuators are
like $2 a piece. Keep a stock of various dB.



On Wed, Sep 14, 2016 at 3:32 PM, Chuck McCown  wrote:

> Somewhere in the archives is either a calculated or measured value of
> taking a strand of fiber and wrapping it around a pencil.  You can always
> strip a jumper and make your own if you really want to cut down the signal
> level.
>

Re: [AFMUG] Tar Tape Sealent

[That One Guy /sarcasm]

We just put lags through the plate and a small wrap of mastic, sucks down
and seals withoum creating a dam

On Sep 14, 2016 10:42 AM, "Chuck McCown"  wrote:

> Short piece of steel schedule 40 tubing beveled on one end makes a great
> cookie cutter for bolt holes.
>
> *From:* Ken Hohhof 
> *Sent:* Wednesday, September 14, 2016 9:24 AM
> *To:* af@afmug.com
> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Tar Tape Sealent
>
> Another name is “pitch pad”.  But rather than buy little pads, I just use
> butyl mastic tape, like 3M 2229 in 3 inch width, and cover the whole bottom
> of the J-arm base.  I also find it helps if you use some sort of tool to
> cut out a hole where the lags go through, to prevent the lags from grabbing
> onto the tape and trying to twist it into a knot.
>
>
> *From:* Jaime Solorza 
> *Sent:* Wednesday, September 14, 2016 10:17 AM
> *To:* Animal Farm 
> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Tar Tape Sealent
>
>
> Ronard sells it I believe
>
> On Sep 14, 2016 9:12 AM, "Matt"  wrote:
>
>> Looking for a source of tar tape.  The type to put under j-arm mount
>> to seal holes when putting on a shingled roof.
>>
>

Re: [AFMUG] SM attenuators

[Adam Moffett]

Can you find fiber that isn't bend-insensitive anymore?  Or does that 
just mean you need more wraps?



-- Original Message --
From: "Chuck McCown" 
To: af@afmug.com
Sent: 9/14/2016 6:32:31 PM
Subject: [AFMUG] SM attenuators

Somewhere in the archives is either a calculated or measured value of 
taking a strand of fiber and wrapping it around a pencil.  You can 
always strip a jumper and make your own if you really want to cut down 
the signal level.

[AFMUG] SM attenuators

[Chuck McCown]

Somewhere in the archives is either a calculated or measured value of taking a 
strand of fiber and wrapping it around a pencil.  You can always strip a jumper 
and make your own if you really want to cut down the signal level.

Re: [AFMUG] Cambium PMP450i POE

[Ken Hohhof]

AP or SM?

And what do you want to know?

From: Carl Peterson 
Sent: Wednesday, September 14, 2016 5:04 PM
To: af@afmug.com 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Cambium PMP450i POE

asking for a friend... 

Re: [AFMUG] Single mode attenuators needed at 30m

[Chuck McCown]

The SFP  spec will have an absolute maximum RX level.  If I remember correctly, 
last one I checked was higher than the max TX level of 4 dBm.  Seems like the 
absolute max RX was something like 16 or 20 dBm.

From: Eric Kuhnke 
Sent: Wednesday, September 14, 2016 2:41 PM
To: af@afmug.com 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Single mode attenuators needed at 30m

Those are totally safe to use with even a 1 meter fiber patch cable between two 
pieces of gear in the same rack.



On Wed, Sep 14, 2016 at 1:39 PM, TJ Trout  wrote:

  1310 10gb 10km

  On Wed, Sep 14, 2016 at 1:38 PM, Eric Kuhnke  wrote:

What frequency and tx power of singlemode?  You do not need to attenuate 
1GbE 1310nm LX (5-10km reach) or 10GbE 1310nm LX optics for very short 
distances. Tons of ISPs use all 1310/LX optics for intra-rack and intra-suite 
fiber XCs because they're cheap, easy and multimode is dumb. 

If you are using optics which are marketed as capable of 20, 40 or more km 
reach (and/or 1490nm, 1550nm optics) you do need to attenuate on the Rx.


On Wed, Sep 14, 2016 at 11:20 AM, TJ Trout  wrote:

  Do I need to pad my optics at 100ft? Or could someone tell me how to 
estimate the loss so I can compare to the spec?

Re: [AFMUG] Cambium PMP450i POE

[Carl Peterson]

asking for a friend...


>

Re: [AFMUG] Leasing company?

[Josh Luthman]

I did a few with Lease Corp of America.


Josh Luthman
Office: 937-552-2340
Direct: 937-552-2343
1100 Wayne St
Suite 1337
Troy, OH 45373

On Wed, Sep 14, 2016 at 5:54 PM, Steve  wrote:

> Anyone recommend a good leasing company for radios and wireless equipment
> in the US?
>

[AFMUG] Leasing company?

[Steve]

Anyone recommend a good leasing company for radios and wireless equipment in 
the US? 

Re: [AFMUG] Any new CCR's been announced?

[Keefe John]

I wish they would make 48-port switch.

Keefe


On 9/14/2016 12:43 PM, TJ Trout wrote:
I can't seem to find where the MUM pdf's are, but I was wondering if 
they had announced any upcoming CCR's that are larger than the 1009 
and 1016 but not quite that 1072? like a redesigned 1036 with dual 
psu, etc?

Re: [AFMUG] Single mode attenuators needed at 30m

[Eric Kuhnke]

Those are totally safe to use with even a 1 meter fiber patch cable between
two pieces of gear in the same rack.


On Wed, Sep 14, 2016 at 1:39 PM, TJ Trout  wrote:

> 1310 10gb 10km
>
> On Wed, Sep 14, 2016 at 1:38 PM, Eric Kuhnke 
> wrote:
>
>> What frequency and tx power of singlemode?  You do not need to attenuate
>> 1GbE 1310nm LX (5-10km reach) or 10GbE 1310nm LX optics for very short
>> distances. Tons of ISPs use all 1310/LX optics for intra-rack and
>> intra-suite fiber XCs because they're cheap, easy and multimode is dumb.
>>
>> If you are using optics which are marketed as capable of 20, 40 or more
>> km reach (and/or 1490nm, 1550nm optics) you do need to attenuate on the Rx.
>>
>> On Wed, Sep 14, 2016 at 11:20 AM, TJ Trout  wrote:
>>
>>> Do I need to pad my optics at 100ft? Or could someone tell me how to
>>> estimate the loss so I can compare to the spec?
>>>
>>
>>
>

Re: [AFMUG] Single mode attenuators needed at 30m

[TJ Trout]

1310 10gb 10km

On Wed, Sep 14, 2016 at 1:38 PM, Eric Kuhnke  wrote:

> What frequency and tx power of singlemode?  You do not need to attenuate
> 1GbE 1310nm LX (5-10km reach) or 10GbE 1310nm LX optics for very short
> distances. Tons of ISPs use all 1310/LX optics for intra-rack and
> intra-suite fiber XCs because they're cheap, easy and multimode is dumb.
>
> If you are using optics which are marketed as capable of 20, 40 or more km
> reach (and/or 1490nm, 1550nm optics) you do need to attenuate on the Rx.
>
> On Wed, Sep 14, 2016 at 11:20 AM, TJ Trout  wrote:
>
>> Do I need to pad my optics at 100ft? Or could someone tell me how to
>> estimate the loss so I can compare to the spec?
>>
>
>

Re: [AFMUG] Single mode attenuators needed at 30m

[Eric Kuhnke]

What frequency and tx power of singlemode?  You do not need to attenuate
1GbE 1310nm LX (5-10km reach) or 10GbE 1310nm LX optics for very short
distances. Tons of ISPs use all 1310/LX optics for intra-rack and
intra-suite fiber XCs because they're cheap, easy and multimode is dumb.

If you are using optics which are marketed as capable of 20, 40 or more km
reach (and/or 1490nm, 1550nm optics) you do need to attenuate on the Rx.

On Wed, Sep 14, 2016 at 11:20 AM, TJ Trout  wrote:

> Do I need to pad my optics at 100ft? Or could someone tell me how to
> estimate the loss so I can compare to the spec?
>

Re: [AFMUG] Drilling into roof

[Christopher Tyler]

Only if you wrench them down. And they seem to have clamps for just about any 
type of metal roof you can imagine on their website.
http://www.s-5.com/clamps/index_1048.cfm

-- 
Christopher Tyler 
MTCRE/MTCNA/MTCTCE/MTCWE 
Total Highspeed Internet Services 
417.851.1107

- Original Message -
From: "Chuck McCown" 
To: af@afmug.com
Sent: Wednesday, September 14, 2016 11:53:56 AM
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Drilling into roof

Do those clamps smash the seam flat?

-Original Message- 
From: Christopher Tyler
Sent: Wednesday, September 14, 2016 10:38 AM
To: af@afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Drilling into roof

For example...

-- 
Christopher Tyler
MTCRE/MTCNA/MTCTCE/MTCWE
Total Highspeed Internet Services
417.851.1107

- Original Message -
From: "Christopher Tyler" 
To: af@afmug.com
Sent: Wednesday, September 14, 2016 11:36:08 AM
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Drilling into roof

They make clamps for metal roofs, so you don't have to drill into them, 
non-penetrating.

-- 
Christopher Tyler
MTCRE/MTCNA/MTCTCE/MTCWE
Total Highspeed Internet Services
417.851.1107

- Original Message -
From: "Ken Hohhof" 
To: af@afmug.com
Sent: Wednesday, September 14, 2016 11:24:51 AM
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Drilling into roof

Yeah, but you live in an area with those red tile roofs, right?

We are starting to get metal roofs on houses, and I'm the same way, I won't
lag into those.  Plus they reflect RF.


-Original Message- 
From: Gilbert T. Gutierrez, Jr.
Sent: Wednesday, September 14, 2016 11:11 AM
To: af@afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Drilling into roof

We will not drill into a roof. If a roof penetration is necessary, we
have the customer's roofer make it so that we do not own it.

Gilbert

Phoenix Internet


On 9/14/2016 8:18 AM, TJ Trout wrote:
>
> These days mounting a tripod on someone's roof makes me real nervous even
> though I've done hundreds before. Does anyone have a no roof drilling
> policy? Or am I just being too careful?
>

Re: [AFMUG] TowerCovrage augmented reality need help..

[Sam Morris]

I've noticed that if you are editing a multimap and filter down to just 
a few towers with the magnifying glass in the upper-right part of the 
page, if it displays say three towers and instead of ticking each one, 
one at a time, if you tick the box at the top to select them all, it 
will not only select the three you see but all the ones you don't see as 
well. Then when you go to display the map it will try to display them 
all if you have a lot of coverages this could make it undisplayable to 
the point where you make have to call them to get them to remove the 
Pins (the site pins) from your map. This will usually allow the map to 
display, at which time you can remove the extra coverages that got included.


Sam

On 9/14/2016 2:30 PM, Timothy Steele wrote:

We are having some issues with augmented reality in Tower Coverage.. is
there a support forum I am not finding?

its trying to load all our towers instead of just towers within 5 Miles
so the App will crash soon as we try and open the augmented reality part
of the app

anyone have any idea's? feel free to contact me off-list too

Thanks,

Re: [AFMUG] IBM g8124 locked optics

[Josh Reynolds]

Eh, $400 on eBay or $500 for the Ubiquiti edgeswitch 16 port.

Will have to look at these G8124s, as I've never come across them before.

On Sep 14, 2016 10:02 AM, "Joe Novak"  wrote:

> Good to know.. these G8124s look like perfect 10gb switches for home..
> quite reasonably priced too!
>
>
> Let us know if the 3rd party fix works TJ.
>
>
> Joe
>
>
> On Wed, Sep 14, 2016 at 9:42 AM, Gerard Dupont III 
> wrote:
>
>> Faisal sent me this a while back for those. Works on the G8264 also.
>>
>> =
>> For 3rd party SFP's to work in IBM switches
>>
>> To set/reset SFP override, from the console port, start a reload of
>> the switch, when it says memory test and starts putting periods up on
>> the display, press the "shift-m" key combination several times, and it
>> will boot into a "=>" prompt
>> At the "=>" prompt enter the following (note the "O" in "Override" is
>> case sensitive):
>> 
>> setenv sfp Override
>> saveenv <<< This is necessary to save the setting to NVRAM to survive a
>> PoR
>> printenv <<< this is to check to make sure the variable is set
>> boot
>> ==
>>
>> On Wednesday, September 14, 2016, TJ Trout  wrote:
>>
>>> Anyone have experience with sfp compatibility?
>>>
>>> I just stupidly ordered a bunch of transceivers from fiberstore before
>>> doing research and now I'm seeing that some models are vendor locked 
>>>
>>
>

[AFMUG] TowerCovrage augmented reality need help..

[Timothy Steele]

We are having some issues with augmented reality in Tower Coverage.. is
there a support forum I am not finding?

its trying to load all our towers instead of just towers within 5 Miles so
the App will crash soon as we try and open the augmented reality part of
the app

anyone have any idea's? feel free to contact me off-list too

Thanks,

Re: [AFMUG] Single mode attenuators needed at 30m

[Sterling Jacobson]

Not sure what you are asking.

Do your SFP modules not scale back on their transmit?

I’ve got 20km SFP modules I can plug in with a 3’ cord and work just fine, they 
regulate their power output.

From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of TJ Trout
Sent: Wednesday, September 14, 2016 12:21 PM
To: af@afmug.com
Subject: [AFMUG] Single mode attenuators needed at 30m


Do I need to pad my optics at 100ft? Or could someone tell me how to estimate 
the loss so I can compare to the spec?

Re: [AFMUG] Single mode attenuators needed at 30m

[Justin Wilson]

There is a good chance you may need to.  I have seen 200 foot runs go for 
years, then all of a sudden become “too hot”.  This was noticed when traffic 
levels increased and things became more busy.   Does it have to be single mode? 
I know companies are standardizing more and more on single mode.  But multimode 
still has it’s place.  You can actually get 10 gig multimode.  the cost may be 
higher than just adding in attenuators though.


Justin Wilson
j...@mtin.net

---
http://www.mtin.net Owner/CEO
xISP Solutions- Consulting – Data Centers - Bandwidth

http://www.midwest-ix.com  COO/Chairman
Internet Exchange - Peering - Distributed Fabric

> On Sep 14, 2016, at 2:20 PM, TJ Trout  wrote:
> 
> Do I need to pad my optics at 100ft? Or could someone tell me how to estimate 
> the loss so I can compare to the spec?
> 

[AFMUG] Single mode attenuators needed at 30m

[TJ Trout]

Do I need to pad my optics at 100ft? Or could someone tell me how to
estimate the loss so I can compare to the spec?

[AFMUG] Any new CCR's been announced?

[TJ Trout]

I can't seem to find where the MUM pdf's are, but I was wondering if they
had announced any upcoming CCR's that are larger than the 1009 and 1016 but
not quite that 1072? like a redesigned 1036 with dual psu, etc?

Re: [AFMUG] Drilling into roof

[Chuck McCown]

Do those clamps smash the seam flat?

-Original Message- 
From: Christopher Tyler

Sent: Wednesday, September 14, 2016 10:38 AM
To: af@afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Drilling into roof

For example...

--
Christopher Tyler
MTCRE/MTCNA/MTCTCE/MTCWE
Total Highspeed Internet Services
417.851.1107

- Original Message -
From: "Christopher Tyler" 
To: af@afmug.com
Sent: Wednesday, September 14, 2016 11:36:08 AM
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Drilling into roof

They make clamps for metal roofs, so you don't have to drill into them, 
non-penetrating.


--
Christopher Tyler
MTCRE/MTCNA/MTCTCE/MTCWE
Total Highspeed Internet Services
417.851.1107

- Original Message -
From: "Ken Hohhof" 
To: af@afmug.com
Sent: Wednesday, September 14, 2016 11:24:51 AM
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Drilling into roof

Yeah, but you live in an area with those red tile roofs, right?

We are starting to get metal roofs on houses, and I'm the same way, I won't
lag into those.  Plus they reflect RF.


-Original Message- 
From: Gilbert T. Gutierrez, Jr.

Sent: Wednesday, September 14, 2016 11:11 AM
To: af@afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Drilling into roof

We will not drill into a roof. If a roof penetration is necessary, we
have the customer's roofer make it so that we do not own it.

Gilbert

Phoenix Internet


On 9/14/2016 8:18 AM, TJ Trout wrote:


These days mounting a tripod on someone's roof makes me real nervous even
though I've done hundreds before. Does anyone have a no roof drilling
policy? Or am I just being too careful?

Re: [AFMUG] Drilling into roof

[Ken Hohhof]

Nice.  I'm not sure the residential metal roofs have enough of a seam to 
clamp onto.


I've got tripods on a few roofs similar to the one in your photo, and the 
roof barely slopes, I've just put a regular non-pen up there with thick 
rubber pads underneath.



-Original Message- 
From: Christopher Tyler

Sent: Wednesday, September 14, 2016 11:38 AM
To: af@afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Drilling into roof

For example...

--
Christopher Tyler
MTCRE/MTCNA/MTCTCE/MTCWE
Total Highspeed Internet Services
417.851.1107

- Original Message -
From: "Christopher Tyler" 
To: af@afmug.com
Sent: Wednesday, September 14, 2016 11:36:08 AM
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Drilling into roof

They make clamps for metal roofs, so you don't have to drill into them, 
non-penetrating.


--
Christopher Tyler
MTCRE/MTCNA/MTCTCE/MTCWE
Total Highspeed Internet Services
417.851.1107

- Original Message -
From: "Ken Hohhof" 
To: af@afmug.com
Sent: Wednesday, September 14, 2016 11:24:51 AM
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Drilling into roof

Yeah, but you live in an area with those red tile roofs, right?

We are starting to get metal roofs on houses, and I'm the same way, I won't
lag into those.  Plus they reflect RF.


-Original Message- 
From: Gilbert T. Gutierrez, Jr.

Sent: Wednesday, September 14, 2016 11:11 AM
To: af@afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Drilling into roof

We will not drill into a roof. If a roof penetration is necessary, we
have the customer's roofer make it so that we do not own it.

Gilbert

Phoenix Internet


On 9/14/2016 8:18 AM, TJ Trout wrote:


These days mounting a tripod on someone's roof makes me real nervous even
though I've done hundreds before. Does anyone have a no roof drilling
policy? Or am I just being too careful?

Re: [AFMUG] Platypus and CentOS7

[Gilbert T. Gutierrez, Jr.]

This is the output I get when when running the make command (make is not 
completing)...


make server
make[1]: Entering directory `/gilbert/PlatFiles/platd'
gcc   -O -c encrypt_wrapper.c -DORDER_DCBA
gcc   -O -c blowfish.c -DORDER_DCBA
gcc  -o platypusd platypusd.c  -O  \
-D encrypt_wrapper.o blowfish.o
:0:16: warning: missing whitespace after the macro name 
[enabled by default]

platypusd.c: In function ‘main’:
platypusd.c:241:5: warning: incompatible implicit declaration of 
built-in function ‘free’ [enabled by default]

 free(testIP);
 ^
platypusd.c:381:5: warning: incompatible implicit declaration of 
built-in function ‘free’ [enabled by default]

 free(cmddup);
 ^
platypusd.c:551:2: warning: incompatible implicit declaration of 
built-in function ‘free’ [enabled by default]

  free(sym_cmd);
  ^
platypusd.c: In function ‘Bail’:
platypusd.c:561:2: warning: incompatible implicit declaration of 
built-in function ‘exit’ [enabled by default]

  exit(1);
  ^
platypusd.c: In function ‘GetSizeofCmd’:
platypusd.c:712:5: warning: incompatible implicit declaration of 
built-in function ‘free’ [enabled by default]

 free(buf);
 ^
platypusd.c:720:8: warning: incompatible implicit declaration of 
built-in function ‘free’ [enabled by default]

free(buf);
^
platypusd.c:737:8: warning: incompatible implicit declaration of 
built-in function ‘free’ [enabled by default]

free(buf);
^
platypusd.c:742:2: warning: incompatible implicit declaration of 
built-in function ‘free’ [enabled by default]

  free(buf);
  ^
platypusd.c: In function ‘IsolateProcess’:
platypusd.c:841:20: warning: incompatible implicit declaration of 
built-in function ‘exit’ [enabled by default]

exit(0);/* parent */
^
/tmp/ccgDyVTv.o: In function `main':
platypusd.c:(.text+0xa44): undefined reference to `InitBlowFish'
platypusd.c:(.text+0xadf): undefined reference to `EncodeString'
platypusd.c:(.text+0xfbf): undefined reference to `DecodeString'
platypusd.c:(.text+0x11bd): undefined reference to `EncodeString'
platypusd.c:(.text+0x15f9): undefined reference to `EncodeString'
platypusd.c:(.text+0x1742): undefined reference to `EncodeString'
platypusd.c:(.text+0x1815): undefined reference to `EncodeString'
platypusd.c:(.text+0x1b5d): undefined reference to `EncodeString'
collect2: error: ld returned 1 exit status
make[1]: *** [server] Error 1
make[1]: Leaving directory `/gilbert/PlatFiles/platd'
make: *** [default] Error 2

I am not finding anything useful online.

Gilbert


On 9/14/2016 9:12 AM, Gilbert T. Gutierrez, Jr. wrote:

Has anyone had success using platd and CentOS7?

Could you share your compiling options?

Thank you,

Gilbert

Re: [AFMUG] Drilling into roof

[Christopher Tyler]

http://www.s-5.com/clamps/index_1048.cfm

-- 
Christopher Tyler 
MTCRE/MTCNA/MTCTCE/MTCWE 
Total Highspeed Internet Services 
417.851.1107

- Original Message -
From: "Eric Kuhnke" 
To: af@afmug.com
Sent: Wednesday, September 14, 2016 11:39:02 AM
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Drilling into roof

You mean like this?

http://www.contractortalk.com/attachments/f11/91390d1367515172-bracing-satellite-dish-standing-seam-metal-roof-1.jpg

On Wed, Sep 14, 2016 at 9:36 AM, Christopher Tyler  wrote:

> They make clamps for metal roofs, so you don't have to drill into them,
> non-penetrating.
>
> --
> Christopher Tyler
> MTCRE/MTCNA/MTCTCE/MTCWE
> Total Highspeed Internet Services
> 417.851.1107
>
> - Original Message -
> From: "Ken Hohhof" 
> To: af@afmug.com
> Sent: Wednesday, September 14, 2016 11:24:51 AM
> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Drilling into roof
>
> Yeah, but you live in an area with those red tile roofs, right?
>
> We are starting to get metal roofs on houses, and I'm the same way, I won't
> lag into those.  Plus they reflect RF.
>
>
> -Original Message-
> From: Gilbert T. Gutierrez, Jr.
> Sent: Wednesday, September 14, 2016 11:11 AM
> To: af@afmug.com
> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Drilling into roof
>
> We will not drill into a roof. If a roof penetration is necessary, we
> have the customer's roofer make it so that we do not own it.
>
> Gilbert
>
> Phoenix Internet
>
>
> On 9/14/2016 8:18 AM, TJ Trout wrote:
> >
> > These days mounting a tripod on someone's roof makes me real nervous even
> > though I've done hundreds before. Does anyone have a no roof drilling
> > policy? Or am I just being too careful?
> >
>
>
>

Re: [AFMUG] Drilling into roof

[Eric Kuhnke]

You mean like this?

http://www.contractortalk.com/attachments/f11/91390d1367515172-bracing-satellite-dish-standing-seam-metal-roof-1.jpg

On Wed, Sep 14, 2016 at 9:36 AM, Christopher Tyler  wrote:

> They make clamps for metal roofs, so you don't have to drill into them,
> non-penetrating.
>
> --
> Christopher Tyler
> MTCRE/MTCNA/MTCTCE/MTCWE
> Total Highspeed Internet Services
> 417.851.1107
>
> - Original Message -
> From: "Ken Hohhof" 
> To: af@afmug.com
> Sent: Wednesday, September 14, 2016 11:24:51 AM
> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Drilling into roof
>
> Yeah, but you live in an area with those red tile roofs, right?
>
> We are starting to get metal roofs on houses, and I'm the same way, I won't
> lag into those.  Plus they reflect RF.
>
>
> -Original Message-
> From: Gilbert T. Gutierrez, Jr.
> Sent: Wednesday, September 14, 2016 11:11 AM
> To: af@afmug.com
> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Drilling into roof
>
> We will not drill into a roof. If a roof penetration is necessary, we
> have the customer's roofer make it so that we do not own it.
>
> Gilbert
>
> Phoenix Internet
>
>
> On 9/14/2016 8:18 AM, TJ Trout wrote:
> >
> > These days mounting a tripod on someone's roof makes me real nervous even
> > though I've done hundreds before. Does anyone have a no roof drilling
> > policy? Or am I just being too careful?
> >
>
>
>

Re: [AFMUG] Drilling into roof

[Christopher Tyler]

They make clamps for metal roofs, so you don't have to drill into them, 
non-penetrating.

-- 
Christopher Tyler 
MTCRE/MTCNA/MTCTCE/MTCWE 
Total Highspeed Internet Services 
417.851.1107

- Original Message -
From: "Ken Hohhof" 
To: af@afmug.com
Sent: Wednesday, September 14, 2016 11:24:51 AM
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Drilling into roof

Yeah, but you live in an area with those red tile roofs, right?

We are starting to get metal roofs on houses, and I'm the same way, I won't 
lag into those.  Plus they reflect RF.


-Original Message- 
From: Gilbert T. Gutierrez, Jr.
Sent: Wednesday, September 14, 2016 11:11 AM
To: af@afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Drilling into roof

We will not drill into a roof. If a roof penetration is necessary, we
have the customer's roofer make it so that we do not own it.

Gilbert

Phoenix Internet


On 9/14/2016 8:18 AM, TJ Trout wrote:
>
> These days mounting a tripod on someone's roof makes me real nervous even 
> though I've done hundreds before. Does anyone have a no roof drilling 
> policy? Or am I just being too careful?
>

Re: [AFMUG] Drilling into roof

[Ken Hohhof]

IMHO, a (properly installed) tripod is much sturdier than a regular J-pipe 
style mount, due to the wider footprint on the roof.  If a tripod blows off in 
a windstorm, a piece of the roof probably blew away still attached to it (and 
went to Oz).


From: Josh Reynolds 
Sent: Wednesday, September 14, 2016 11:10 AM
To: af@afmug.com 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Drilling into roof

Just about every install we did in Alaska was a 3ft tripod with 5ft pole.

Thousands of them.

No roof complaints in over 10 years of operation.


On Sep 14, 2016 10:18 AM, "TJ Trout"  wrote:

  These days mounting a tripod on someone's roof makes me real nervous even 
though I've done hundreds before. Does anyone have a no roof drilling policy? 
Or am I just being too careful?

Re: [AFMUG] Drilling into roof

[Jay Weekley]

We do.  I know people do it all the time safely but I'm not that lucky 
and if anyone else messes up then I'll be the one having to deal with it.


TJ Trout wrote:


These days mounting a tripod on someone's roof makes me real nervous 
even though I've done hundreds before. Does anyone have a no roof 
drilling policy? Or am I just being too careful?

Re: [AFMUG] Drilling into roof

[Ken Hohhof]

Yeah, but you live in an area with those red tile roofs, right?

We are starting to get metal roofs on houses, and I'm the same way, I won't 
lag into those.  Plus they reflect RF.



-Original Message- 
From: Gilbert T. Gutierrez, Jr.

Sent: Wednesday, September 14, 2016 11:11 AM
To: af@afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Drilling into roof

We will not drill into a roof. If a roof penetration is necessary, we
have the customer's roofer make it so that we do not own it.

Gilbert

Phoenix Internet


On 9/14/2016 8:18 AM, TJ Trout wrote:


These days mounting a tripod on someone's roof makes me real nervous even 
though I've done hundreds before. Does anyone have a no roof drilling 
policy? Or am I just being too careful?

[AFMUG] Platypus and CentOS7

[Gilbert T. Gutierrez, Jr.]

Has anyone had success using platd and CentOS7?

Could you share your compiling options?

Thank you,

Gilbert

Re: [AFMUG] Drilling into roof

[Gilbert T. Gutierrez, Jr.]

We will not drill into a roof. If a roof penetration is necessary, we 
have the customer's roofer make it so that we do not own it.


Gilbert

Phoenix Internet


On 9/14/2016 8:18 AM, TJ Trout wrote:


These days mounting a tripod on someone's roof makes me real nervous 
even though I've done hundreds before. Does anyone have a no roof 
drilling policy? Or am I just being too careful?

Re: [AFMUG] Drilling into roof

[Josh Reynolds]

Just about every install we did in Alaska was a 3ft tripod with 5ft pole.

Thousands of them.

No roof complaints in over 10 years of operation.

On Sep 14, 2016 10:18 AM, "TJ Trout"  wrote:

> These days mounting a tripod on someone's roof makes me real nervous even
> though I've done hundreds before. Does anyone have a no roof drilling
> policy? Or am I just being too careful?
>

[AFMUG] OT: AAPL

[Travis Johnson]

Hi,

I tried to close out one of my investment funds last week, so I could 
use the cash to buy Apple stock. The transaction did not happen fast 
enough, and I just missed out on the 6% increase in Apple stock during 
the last two days. :(


I still think AAPL is a buy right now... the new iPhone and Watch will 
be a big hit for Christmas this season. I can see a 10-12% increase in 
the stock value (plus the 2.2% dividend) over the next six months.


Travis

Re: [AFMUG] Tar Tape Sealent

[Chuck McCown]

Short piece of steel schedule 40 tubing beveled on one end makes a great cookie 
cutter for bolt holes.  

From: Ken Hohhof 
Sent: Wednesday, September 14, 2016 9:24 AM
To: af@afmug.com 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Tar Tape Sealent

Another name is “pitch pad”.  But rather than buy little pads, I just use butyl 
mastic tape, like 3M 2229 in 3 inch width, and cover the whole bottom of the 
J-arm base.  I also find it helps if you use some sort of tool to cut out a 
hole where the lags go through, to prevent the lags from grabbing onto the tape 
and trying to twist it into a knot.


From: Jaime Solorza 
Sent: Wednesday, September 14, 2016 10:17 AM
To: Animal Farm 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Tar Tape Sealent

Ronard sells it I believe 


On Sep 14, 2016 9:12 AM, "Matt"  wrote:

  Looking for a source of tar tape.  The type to put under j-arm mount
  to seal holes when putting on a shingled roof.

Re: [AFMUG] Tar Tape Sealent

[Ken Hohhof]

Another name is “pitch pad”.  But rather than buy little pads, I just use butyl 
mastic tape, like 3M 2229 in 3 inch width, and cover the whole bottom of the 
J-arm base.  I also find it helps if you use some sort of tool to cut out a 
hole where the lags go through, to prevent the lags from grabbing onto the tape 
and trying to twist it into a knot.


From: Jaime Solorza 
Sent: Wednesday, September 14, 2016 10:17 AM
To: Animal Farm 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Tar Tape Sealent

Ronard sells it I believe 


On Sep 14, 2016 9:12 AM, "Matt"  wrote:

  Looking for a source of tar tape.  The type to put under j-arm mount
  to seal holes when putting on a shingled roof.

[AFMUG] Drilling into roof

[TJ Trout]

These days mounting a tripod on someone's roof makes me real nervous even
though I've done hundreds before. Does anyone have a no roof drilling
policy? Or am I just being too careful?

Re: [AFMUG] Tar Tape Sealent

[Jaime Solorza]

Ronard sells it I believe

On Sep 14, 2016 9:12 AM, "Matt"  wrote:

> Looking for a source of tar tape.  The type to put under j-arm mount
> to seal holes when putting on a shingled roof.
>

[AFMUG] Tar Tape Sealent

[Matt]

Looking for a source of tar tape.  The type to put under j-arm mount
to seal holes when putting on a shingled roof.

[AFMUG] Cambium PMP450i POE

[Matt]

Will it hurt a PMP450i to be powered up by FSK PMP100 power source for
a short period?  I know it won't work I am just wandering if it will
hurt anything.

Re: [AFMUG] IBM g8124 locked optics

[Joe Novak]

Good to know.. these G8124s look like perfect 10gb switches for home..
quite reasonably priced too!


Let us know if the 3rd party fix works TJ.


Joe


On Wed, Sep 14, 2016 at 9:42 AM, Gerard Dupont III 
wrote:

> Faisal sent me this a while back for those. Works on the G8264 also.
>
> =
> For 3rd party SFP's to work in IBM switches
>
> To set/reset SFP override, from the console port, start a reload of
> the switch, when it says memory test and starts putting periods up on
> the display, press the "shift-m" key combination several times, and it
> will boot into a "=>" prompt
> At the "=>" prompt enter the following (note the "O" in "Override" is
> case sensitive):
> 
> setenv sfp Override
> saveenv <<< This is necessary to save the setting to NVRAM to survive a PoR
> printenv <<< this is to check to make sure the variable is set
> boot
> ==
>
> On Wednesday, September 14, 2016, TJ Trout  wrote:
>
>> Anyone have experience with sfp compatibility?
>>
>> I just stupidly ordered a bunch of transceivers from fiberstore before
>> doing research and now I'm seeing that some models are vendor locked 
>>
>

Re: [AFMUG] IBM g8124 locked optics

[Gerard Dupont III]

Faisal sent me this a while back for those. Works on the G8264 also.

=
For 3rd party SFP's to work in IBM switches

To set/reset SFP override, from the console port, start a reload of
the switch, when it says memory test and starts putting periods up on
the display, press the "shift-m" key combination several times, and it
will boot into a "=>" prompt
At the "=>" prompt enter the following (note the "O" in "Override" is
case sensitive):

setenv sfp Override
saveenv <<< This is necessary to save the setting to NVRAM to survive a PoR
printenv <<< this is to check to make sure the variable is set
boot
==

On Wednesday, September 14, 2016, TJ Trout  wrote:

> Anyone have experience with sfp compatibility?
>
> I just stupidly ordered a bunch of transceivers from fiberstore before
> doing research and now I'm seeing that some models are vendor locked 
>

Re: [AFMUG] IBM g8124 locked optics

[Chuck McCown]

Yes, Calix equipment does not give full functionality with non Calix SFPs.  It 
is in the alarm and telemetry part of the system, not the actual data part.  I 
think they still operate but there is enough downside to not want to use them.

From: TJ Trout 
Sent: Tuesday, September 13, 2016 11:28 PM
To: af@afmug.com 
Subject: [AFMUG] IBM g8124 locked optics

Anyone have experience with sfp compatibility? 

I just stupidly ordered a bunch of transceivers from fiberstore before doing 
research and now I'm seeing that some models are vendor locked 

Re: [AFMUG] IBM g8124 locked optics

[Jesse DuPont]

  
  
FWIW, we generally order our vendor-coded optics from Pro Labs.
They'll send a sample if they don't already have a tested/confirmed
optic for some device. I've had great success on IBM Networking
Blade Switches (old BNT).


  
  
  
  
  
  
  
  
  
  
  
  
  
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  Network
  Architect
  email: jesse.dup...@celeritycorp.net
  Celerity Networks LLC
  Celerity
  Broadband LLC
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On 9/14/16 7:46 AM, Joe Novak wrote:


  I can't help but think there should be a way to
turn off the vendor lock considering it's a rebranded juniper
switch.. I could not find it. Do you have any fiberstore cisco
coded optics? People reported success with legit optics from
juniper/cisco/brocade according to servethehome.com forums.
  
On Wed, Sep 14, 2016 at 12:28 AM, TJ
  Trout 
  wrote:
  
Anyone have experience with sfp compatibility?

I just stupidly ordered a bunch of transceivers
  from fiberstore before doing research and now I'm seeing
  that some models are vendor locked 
  


  


  

Re: [AFMUG] IBM g8124 locked optics

[Joe Novak]

I can't help but think there should be a way to turn off the vendor lock
considering it's a rebranded juniper switch.. I could not find it. Do you
have any fiberstore cisco coded optics? People reported success with legit
optics from juniper/cisco/brocade according to servethehome.com forums.

On Wed, Sep 14, 2016 at 12:28 AM, TJ Trout  wrote:

> Anyone have experience with sfp compatibility?
>
> I just stupidly ordered a bunch of transceivers from fiberstore before
> doing research and now I'm seeing that some models are vendor locked 
>