Re: [AFMUG] WDS Peering

[Rory Conaway]

Josh, you are missing my point that one radio, half-duplex, still has the 1/n 
issue, which was what I said originally.  And smack yourself for me ☺.

Rory

From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Josh Reynolds
Sent: Friday, August 18, 2017 6:03 PM
To: af@afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] WDS Peering

No shit. Really? I had no idea. :)

One access radio, on backhaul radio. Integrated. No waiting for the access side 
airwaves to clear to forward data to the uplink like in store a forward 
repeating.

Exactly what I said earlier.

On Aug 18, 2017 7:03 PM, "Rory Conaway" 
> wrote:
Only 1 radio is the backhaul.

Rory

From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf 
Of Josh Reynolds
Sent: Friday, August 18, 2017 4:03 PM
To: af@afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] WDS Peering

Yep, mesh pro is 3x3, simultaneous dual band. Mesh is 2x2 simultaneous dual 
band.

Supports multiple non-simultaneous uplinks, with auto failover.

On Aug 18, 2017 5:32 PM, "Josh Reynolds" 
> wrote:
Will check when I get through this damn traffic

On Aug 18, 2017 5:30 PM, "Josh Reynolds" 
> wrote:
Uh, no. Mesh pro is dual radio simultaneous, mu-mimo. 3x3 I believe as well. 
Have a few on my yard.

On Aug 18, 2017 5:13 PM, "Rory Conaway" 
> wrote:
Yea but they are 2x2 AC radios.  You start with 300Mbps, drop to 150, then 
75Mbps and that's only on the 3rd radio so who cares. I don't know any RV Parks 
guaranteeing 50Mbps clients.  We tested 18Mbps on the 3rd hop all day long with 
100 people connected to 3 APs so I'm pretty confident in it.

Rory


-Original Message-
From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf 
Of Jay Weekley
Sent: Friday, August 18, 2017 12:59 PM
To: af@afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] WDS Peering
That's one option.  Doesn't mesh cut your bandwidth in half as well?

Rory Conaway wrote:
>
> Just replace all the radios with Ubiquiti mesh radios.
>
> Rory
>
> *From:* Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] *On 
> Behalf Of *Steve Jones
> *Sent:* Friday, August 18, 2017 11:24 AM
> *To:* af@afmug.com
> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] WDS Peering
>
> ahh, if youre on a new firmware isn't wep completely gone
>
> if you went to the newest firmware you have to tftp to downgrade
>
> On Fri, Aug 18, 2017 at 1:17 PM, Chris Wright 
> 
> >> wrote:
>
> Yeah natively WDS cannot support WPA. OpenWRT and Apple baked
> their own versions of WDS to support it. I doubt they’d work
> cross-vendors though.
>
> Chris Wright
>
> Network Administrator
>
> *From:*Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com
> >] *On Behalf Of 
> *Josh Reynolds
> *Sent:* Friday, August 18, 2017 11:14 AM
> *To:* af@afmug.com 
> >
> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] WDS Peering
>
> Wds peering, from what I remember, only works with WEP. Yes, same
> ssid, same channel.
>
> On Aug 18, 2017 1:02 PM, "Jay Weekley" 
> 
> >> 
> wrote:
>
> We have a campground that we purchased that was setup for WiFi
> using a UBNT Bullet as the primary AP with 2 Picos connected using
> WDS peering.  We had to replace dead some equipment there and I
> had the tech give both Picos the same SSID as the primary access
> point which is how I understood it was supposed to work.  Now the
> campground manager is saying that some of her customers can't
> connect to the internet and they used to be able to connect to APs
> with different SSIDs and the Picos are dropping off line. Am I
> correct that all the radios need the same SSID?
>
> Yes, we are going to eventually modernize this site.
>
>
> 
>   Virus-free. www.avg.com
>  tm_campaign=sig-email_content=emailclient>
>
>
> <#DAB4FAD8-2DD7-40BB-A1B8-4E2AA1F9FDF2>

Re: [AFMUG] Radiomobile raster to polygon/shapefile

[Mike Hammett]

It's only great if it actually works. 




- 
Mike Hammett 
Intelligent Computing Solutions 

Midwest Internet Exchange 

The Brothers WISP 




- Original Message -

From: "Eric Muehleisen"  
To: af@afmug.com 
Sent: Friday, August 18, 2017 7:59:24 AM 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Radiomobile raster to polygon/shapefile 


Mike, this is great info. I'm downloading QGIS now. Thank you! 


On Fri, Aug 18, 2017 at 5:49 AM, Mike Hammett < af...@ics-il.net > wrote: 




https://gis.stackexchange.com/questions/134627/converting-raster-presented-in-kml-to-polygon-using-arcgis-desktop
 

Last time it wasn't quite the same, but I'm not sure what I did differently. 

There used to be a web site that did it, but I started looking into how to do 
it on my own in case that site disappeared. Now it may have. 



- 
Mike Hammett 
Intelligent Computing Solutions 

Midwest Internet Exchange 

The Brothers WISP 






From: "Eric Muehleisen" < ericm...@gmail.com > 
To: af@afmug.com 
Sent: Thursday, August 17, 2017 4:33:35 PM 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Radiomobile raster to polygon/shapefile 


I was hoping there would be a quick and free app to convert it. Would be very 
cool if Radiomobile would include that feature. 


On Thu, Aug 17, 2017 at 4:26 PM, Mike Hammett < af...@ics-il.net > wrote: 






I've done it a few times, but I forget nearly every time I time how I did it, 
so I Google again each time. 




- 
Mike Hammett 
Intelligent Computing Solutions 

Midwest Internet Exchange 

The Brothers WISP 






From: "Eric Muehleisen" < ericm...@gmail.com > 
To: af@afmug.com 
Sent: Thursday, August 17, 2017 8:41:02 AM 
Subject: [AFMUG] Radiomobile raster to polygon/shapefile 


Does anyone have a quick method of converting the coverage raster image to a 
vector/polygon/shapefile? Raster images work fine, but I thought polygon would 
be better long term to keep file size low and manageable. 

Re: [AFMUG] Another Ceragon ODU Frequency Question

[Jon Langeler]

You sound fine on the antenna portion. 

Jon Langeler
Michwave Technologies, Inc.


> On Aug 18, 2017, at 8:17 PM, Sterling Jacobson  wrote:
> 
> I had the Low radio on the Low end, so that was correct.
> 
> But are you saying for sure this radio cannot select that low of a channel?
> 
> Also, now that I'm thinking of it, do the 3' Andrews dishes need to be 
> High/Low? 
> I was pretty sure the 3' dishes typically covered the entire 11GHz band, 
> right?
> 
> What do I do about the radios now?
> 
> I'm thinking of comparing the radio I got back from Ceragon with my other 
> radio and seeing if somehow Ceragon did something or put a wrong part back on 
> it.
> Since it refuses to mount back on the antenna it used to mount to now...
> 
> Someone shoot me.
> 
> -Original Message-
> From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of George Skorup
> Sent: Friday, August 18, 2017 5:48 PM
> To: af@afmug.com
> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Another Ceragon ODU Frequency Question
> 
> Yeah, that's not gonna work real well, or at all. Is this the link where you 
> had them backwards? Didn't you end up swapping them? Or did you open them up 
> and change the diplexers?
> 
>> On 8/18/2017 6:09 PM, Sterling Jacobson wrote:
>> Ok, so maybe this is a problem and maybe not.
>> 
>> But our license says we transmit LOW at channel 10835MHz.
>> 
>> The sticker on the label of the LOW Ceragon ODU shows transmit at 
>> 10915-11207MHz.
>> 
>> Does that mean I have the wrong ODU for this license?
>> 
>> Or is the IP-20C radio that I have capable of that channel and it's ok 
>> because that's just a sticker, not the limitations of the actual ODU 
>> transmit.
>> 
>> Anyone know?
> 

Re: [AFMUG] Another Ceragon ODU Frequency Question

[George Skorup]

The antennas have to pass both the Tx and Rx channels, so no, they're 
not high/low. They'll either be 10.0-11.7 or 10.7-11.7.


10835 is your low, so 11325 would be your high side, which doesn't fall 
into that diplexer range either. WTF? Is your license for 10835/11325 
H+V? This is IP20/820C, right? So each radio has two diplexers. Is there 
only one label?


On 8/18/2017 7:17 PM, Sterling Jacobson wrote:

I had the Low radio on the Low end, so that was correct.

But are you saying for sure this radio cannot select that low of a channel?

Also, now that I'm thinking of it, do the 3' Andrews dishes need to be High/Low?
I was pretty sure the 3' dishes typically covered the entire 11GHz band, right?

What do I do about the radios now?

I'm thinking of comparing the radio I got back from Ceragon with my other radio 
and seeing if somehow Ceragon did something or put a wrong part back on it.
Since it refuses to mount back on the antenna it used to mount to now...

Someone shoot me.

-Original Message-
From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of George Skorup
Sent: Friday, August 18, 2017 5:48 PM
To: af@afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Another Ceragon ODU Frequency Question

Yeah, that's not gonna work real well, or at all. Is this the link where you 
had them backwards? Didn't you end up swapping them? Or did you open them up 
and change the diplexers?

On 8/18/2017 6:09 PM, Sterling Jacobson wrote:

Ok, so maybe this is a problem and maybe not.

But our license says we transmit LOW at channel 10835MHz.

The sticker on the label of the LOW Ceragon ODU shows transmit at 
10915-11207MHz.

Does that mean I have the wrong ODU for this license?

Or is the IP-20C radio that I have capable of that channel and it's ok because 
that's just a sticker, not the limitations of the actual ODU transmit.

Anyone know?

Re: [AFMUG] WDS Peering

[Josh Reynolds]

No shit. Really? I had no idea. :)

One access radio, on backhaul radio. Integrated. No waiting for the access
side airwaves to clear to forward data to the uplink like in store a
forward repeating.

Exactly what I said earlier.

On Aug 18, 2017 7:03 PM, "Rory Conaway"  wrote:

> Only 1 radio is the backhaul.
>
>
>
> Rory
>
>
>
> *From:* Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] *On Behalf Of *Josh Reynolds
> *Sent:* Friday, August 18, 2017 4:03 PM
> *To:* af@afmug.com
> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] WDS Peering
>
>
>
> Yep, mesh pro is 3x3, simultaneous dual band. Mesh is 2x2 simultaneous
> dual band.
>
>
>
> Supports multiple non-simultaneous uplinks, with auto failover.
>
>
>
> On Aug 18, 2017 5:32 PM, "Josh Reynolds"  wrote:
>
> Will check when I get through this damn traffic
>
>
>
> On Aug 18, 2017 5:30 PM, "Josh Reynolds"  wrote:
>
> Uh, no. Mesh pro is dual radio simultaneous, mu-mimo. 3x3 I believe as
> well. Have a few on my yard.
>
>
>
> On Aug 18, 2017 5:13 PM, "Rory Conaway"  wrote:
>
> Yea but they are 2x2 AC radios.  You start with 300Mbps, drop to 150, then
> 75Mbps and that's only on the 3rd radio so who cares. I don't know any RV
> Parks guaranteeing 50Mbps clients.  We tested 18Mbps on the 3rd hop all day
> long with 100 people connected to 3 APs so I'm pretty confident in it.
>
> Rory
>
>
>
> -Original Message-
> From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Jay Weekley
> Sent: Friday, August 18, 2017 12:59 PM
> To: af@afmug.com
> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] WDS Peering
>
> That's one option.  Doesn't mesh cut your bandwidth in half as well?
>
> Rory Conaway wrote:
> >
> > Just replace all the radios with Ubiquiti mesh radios.
> >
> > Rory
> >
> > *From:* Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] *On Behalf Of *Steve Jones
> > *Sent:* Friday, August 18, 2017 11:24 AM
> > *To:* af@afmug.com
> > *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] WDS Peering
> >
> > ahh, if youre on a new firmware isn't wep completely gone
> >
> > if you went to the newest firmware you have to tftp to downgrade
> >
> > On Fri, Aug 18, 2017 at 1:17 PM, Chris Wright  > > wrote:
> >
> > Yeah natively WDS cannot support WPA. OpenWRT and Apple baked
> > their own versions of WDS to support it. I doubt they’d work
> > cross-vendors though.
> >
> > Chris Wright
> >
> > Network Administrator
> >
> > *From:*Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com
> > ] *On Behalf Of *Josh Reynolds
> > *Sent:* Friday, August 18, 2017 11:14 AM
> > *To:* af@afmug.com 
> > *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] WDS Peering
> >
>
> > Wds peering, from what I remember, only works with WEP. Yes, same
> > ssid, same channel.
> >
> > On Aug 18, 2017 1:02 PM, "Jay Weekley"  > > wrote:
> >
>
> > We have a campground that we purchased that was setup for WiFi
> > using a UBNT Bullet as the primary AP with 2 Picos connected using
> > WDS peering.  We had to replace dead some equipment there and I
> > had the tech give both Picos the same SSID as the primary access
> > point which is how I understood it was supposed to work.  Now the
> > campground manager is saying that some of her customers can't
> > connect to the internet and they used to be able to connect to APs
> > with different SSIDs and the Picos are dropping off line. Am I
> > correct that all the radios need the same SSID?
> >
> > Yes, we are going to eventually modernize this site.
> >
> >
>
> >  utm_source=link_campaign=sig-email_content=emailclient>
> >   Virus-free. www.avg.com
> >  > tm_campaign=sig-email_content=emailclient>
> >
> >
> > <#DAB4FAD8-2DD7-40BB-A1B8-4E2AA1F9FDF2>
>
>
>
>

Re: [AFMUG] Another Ceragon ODU Frequency Question

[Sterling Jacobson]

I had the Low radio on the Low end, so that was correct.

But are you saying for sure this radio cannot select that low of a channel?

Also, now that I'm thinking of it, do the 3' Andrews dishes need to be 
High/Low? 
I was pretty sure the 3' dishes typically covered the entire 11GHz band, right?

What do I do about the radios now?

I'm thinking of comparing the radio I got back from Ceragon with my other radio 
and seeing if somehow Ceragon did something or put a wrong part back on it.
Since it refuses to mount back on the antenna it used to mount to now...

Someone shoot me.

-Original Message-
From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of George Skorup
Sent: Friday, August 18, 2017 5:48 PM
To: af@afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Another Ceragon ODU Frequency Question

Yeah, that's not gonna work real well, or at all. Is this the link where you 
had them backwards? Didn't you end up swapping them? Or did you open them up 
and change the diplexers?

On 8/18/2017 6:09 PM, Sterling Jacobson wrote:
> Ok, so maybe this is a problem and maybe not.
>
> But our license says we transmit LOW at channel 10835MHz.
>
> The sticker on the label of the LOW Ceragon ODU shows transmit at 
> 10915-11207MHz.
>
> Does that mean I have the wrong ODU for this license?
>
> Or is the IP-20C radio that I have capable of that channel and it's ok 
> because that's just a sticker, not the limitations of the actual ODU transmit.
>
> Anyone know?

Re: [AFMUG] WDS Peering

[Rory Conaway]

Only 1 radio is the backhaul.

Rory

From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Josh Reynolds
Sent: Friday, August 18, 2017 4:03 PM
To: af@afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] WDS Peering

Yep, mesh pro is 3x3, simultaneous dual band. Mesh is 2x2 simultaneous dual 
band.

Supports multiple non-simultaneous uplinks, with auto failover.

On Aug 18, 2017 5:32 PM, "Josh Reynolds" 
> wrote:
Will check when I get through this damn traffic

On Aug 18, 2017 5:30 PM, "Josh Reynolds" 
> wrote:
Uh, no. Mesh pro is dual radio simultaneous, mu-mimo. 3x3 I believe as well. 
Have a few on my yard.

On Aug 18, 2017 5:13 PM, "Rory Conaway" 
> wrote:
Yea but they are 2x2 AC radios.  You start with 300Mbps, drop to 150, then 
75Mbps and that's only on the 3rd radio so who cares. I don't know any RV Parks 
guaranteeing 50Mbps clients.  We tested 18Mbps on the 3rd hop all day long with 
100 people connected to 3 APs so I'm pretty confident in it.

Rory


-Original Message-
From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf 
Of Jay Weekley
Sent: Friday, August 18, 2017 12:59 PM
To: af@afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] WDS Peering
That's one option.  Doesn't mesh cut your bandwidth in half as well?

Rory Conaway wrote:
>
> Just replace all the radios with Ubiquiti mesh radios.
>
> Rory
>
> *From:* Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] *On 
> Behalf Of *Steve Jones
> *Sent:* Friday, August 18, 2017 11:24 AM
> *To:* af@afmug.com
> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] WDS Peering
>
> ahh, if youre on a new firmware isn't wep completely gone
>
> if you went to the newest firmware you have to tftp to downgrade
>
> On Fri, Aug 18, 2017 at 1:17 PM, Chris Wright 
> 
> >> wrote:
>
> Yeah natively WDS cannot support WPA. OpenWRT and Apple baked
> their own versions of WDS to support it. I doubt they’d work
> cross-vendors though.
>
> Chris Wright
>
> Network Administrator
>
> *From:*Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com
> >] *On Behalf Of 
> *Josh Reynolds
> *Sent:* Friday, August 18, 2017 11:14 AM
> *To:* af@afmug.com 
> >
> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] WDS Peering
>
> Wds peering, from what I remember, only works with WEP. Yes, same
> ssid, same channel.
>
> On Aug 18, 2017 1:02 PM, "Jay Weekley" 
> 
> >> 
> wrote:
>
> We have a campground that we purchased that was setup for WiFi
> using a UBNT Bullet as the primary AP with 2 Picos connected using
> WDS peering.  We had to replace dead some equipment there and I
> had the tech give both Picos the same SSID as the primary access
> point which is how I understood it was supposed to work.  Now the
> campground manager is saying that some of her customers can't
> connect to the internet and they used to be able to connect to APs
> with different SSIDs and the Picos are dropping off line. Am I
> correct that all the radios need the same SSID?
>
> Yes, we are going to eventually modernize this site.
>
>
> 
>   Virus-free. www.avg.com
>  tm_campaign=sig-email_content=emailclient>
>
>
> <#DAB4FAD8-2DD7-40BB-A1B8-4E2AA1F9FDF2>

Re: [AFMUG] Another Ceragon ODU Frequency Question

[Seth Mattinen]

On 8/18/17 4:09 PM, Sterling Jacobson wrote:

Ok, so maybe this is a problem and maybe not.

But our license says we transmit LOW at channel 10835MHz.

The sticker on the label of the LOW Ceragon ODU shows transmit at 
10915-11207MHz.

Does that mean I have the wrong ODU for this license?



Yes, wrong sub-band.

~Seth

Re: [AFMUG] Another Ceragon ODU Frequency Question

[George Skorup]

Yeah, that's not gonna work real well, or at all. Is this the link where 
you had them backwards? Didn't you end up swapping them? Or did you open 
them up and change the diplexers?


On 8/18/2017 6:09 PM, Sterling Jacobson wrote:

Ok, so maybe this is a problem and maybe not.

But our license says we transmit LOW at channel 10835MHz.

The sticker on the label of the LOW Ceragon ODU shows transmit at 
10915-11207MHz.

Does that mean I have the wrong ODU for this license?

Or is the IP-20C radio that I have capable of that channel and it's ok because 
that's just a sticker, not the limitations of the actual ODU transmit.

Anyone know?

[AFMUG] Another Ceragon ODU Frequency Question

[Sterling Jacobson]

Ok, so maybe this is a problem and maybe not.

But our license says we transmit LOW at channel 10835MHz.

The sticker on the label of the LOW Ceragon ODU shows transmit at 
10915-11207MHz.

Does that mean I have the wrong ODU for this license?

Or is the IP-20C radio that I have capable of that channel and it's ok because 
that's just a sticker, not the limitations of the actual ODU transmit.

Anyone know?

Re: [AFMUG] WDS Peering

[Josh Reynolds]

Yep, mesh pro is 3x3, simultaneous dual band. Mesh is 2x2 simultaneous dual
band.

Supports multiple non-simultaneous uplinks, with auto failover.

On Aug 18, 2017 5:32 PM, "Josh Reynolds"  wrote:

> Will check when I get through this damn traffic
>
> On Aug 18, 2017 5:30 PM, "Josh Reynolds"  wrote:
>
>> Uh, no. Mesh pro is dual radio simultaneous, mu-mimo. 3x3 I believe as
>> well. Have a few on my yard.
>>
>> On Aug 18, 2017 5:13 PM, "Rory Conaway"  wrote:
>>
>> Yea but they are 2x2 AC radios.  You start with 300Mbps, drop to 150,
>> then 75Mbps and that's only on the 3rd radio so who cares. I don't know any
>> RV Parks guaranteeing 50Mbps clients.  We tested 18Mbps on the 3rd hop all
>> day long with 100 people connected to 3 APs so I'm pretty confident in it.
>>
>> Rory
>>
>>
>> -Original Message-
>> From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Jay Weekley
>> Sent: Friday, August 18, 2017 12:59 PM
>> To: af@afmug.com
>> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] WDS Peering
>>
>> That's one option.  Doesn't mesh cut your bandwidth in half as well?
>>
>> Rory Conaway wrote:
>> >
>> > Just replace all the radios with Ubiquiti mesh radios.
>> >
>> > Rory
>> >
>> > *From:* Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] *On Behalf Of *Steve Jones
>> > *Sent:* Friday, August 18, 2017 11:24 AM
>> > *To:* af@afmug.com
>> > *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] WDS Peering
>> >
>> > ahh, if youre on a new firmware isn't wep completely gone
>> >
>> > if you went to the newest firmware you have to tftp to downgrade
>> >
>> > On Fri, Aug 18, 2017 at 1:17 PM, Chris Wright > > > wrote:
>> >
>> > Yeah natively WDS cannot support WPA. OpenWRT and Apple baked
>> > their own versions of WDS to support it. I doubt they’d work
>> > cross-vendors though.
>> >
>> > Chris Wright
>> >
>> > Network Administrator
>> >
>> > *From:*Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com
>> > ] *On Behalf Of *Josh Reynolds
>> > *Sent:* Friday, August 18, 2017 11:14 AM
>> > *To:* af@afmug.com 
>> > *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] WDS Peering
>> >
>> > Wds peering, from what I remember, only works with WEP. Yes, same
>> > ssid, same channel.
>> >
>> > On Aug 18, 2017 1:02 PM, "Jay Weekley" > > > wrote:
>> >
>> > We have a campground that we purchased that was setup for WiFi
>> > using a UBNT Bullet as the primary AP with 2 Picos connected using
>> > WDS peering.  We had to replace dead some equipment there and I
>> > had the tech give both Picos the same SSID as the primary access
>> > point which is how I understood it was supposed to work.  Now the
>> > campground manager is saying that some of her customers can't
>> > connect to the internet and they used to be able to connect to APs
>> > with different SSIDs and the Picos are dropping off line. Am I
>> > correct that all the radios need the same SSID?
>> >
>> > Yes, we are going to eventually modernize this site.
>> >
>> >
>> > > rce=link_campaign=sig-email_content=emailclient>
>> >   Virus-free. www.avg.com
>> > > > tm_campaign=sig-email_content=emailclient>
>> >
>> >
>> > <#DAB4FAD8-2DD7-40BB-A1B8-4E2AA1F9FDF2>
>>
>>
>>

Re: [AFMUG] WDS Peering

[Josh Reynolds]

Will check when I get through this damn traffic

On Aug 18, 2017 5:30 PM, "Josh Reynolds"  wrote:

> Uh, no. Mesh pro is dual radio simultaneous, mu-mimo. 3x3 I believe as
> well. Have a few on my yard.
>
> On Aug 18, 2017 5:13 PM, "Rory Conaway"  wrote:
>
> Yea but they are 2x2 AC radios.  You start with 300Mbps, drop to 150, then
> 75Mbps and that's only on the 3rd radio so who cares. I don't know any RV
> Parks guaranteeing 50Mbps clients.  We tested 18Mbps on the 3rd hop all day
> long with 100 people connected to 3 APs so I'm pretty confident in it.
>
> Rory
>
>
> -Original Message-
> From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Jay Weekley
> Sent: Friday, August 18, 2017 12:59 PM
> To: af@afmug.com
> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] WDS Peering
>
> That's one option.  Doesn't mesh cut your bandwidth in half as well?
>
> Rory Conaway wrote:
> >
> > Just replace all the radios with Ubiquiti mesh radios.
> >
> > Rory
> >
> > *From:* Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] *On Behalf Of *Steve Jones
> > *Sent:* Friday, August 18, 2017 11:24 AM
> > *To:* af@afmug.com
> > *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] WDS Peering
> >
> > ahh, if youre on a new firmware isn't wep completely gone
> >
> > if you went to the newest firmware you have to tftp to downgrade
> >
> > On Fri, Aug 18, 2017 at 1:17 PM, Chris Wright  > > wrote:
> >
> > Yeah natively WDS cannot support WPA. OpenWRT and Apple baked
> > their own versions of WDS to support it. I doubt they’d work
> > cross-vendors though.
> >
> > Chris Wright
> >
> > Network Administrator
> >
> > *From:*Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com
> > ] *On Behalf Of *Josh Reynolds
> > *Sent:* Friday, August 18, 2017 11:14 AM
> > *To:* af@afmug.com 
> > *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] WDS Peering
> >
> > Wds peering, from what I remember, only works with WEP. Yes, same
> > ssid, same channel.
> >
> > On Aug 18, 2017 1:02 PM, "Jay Weekley"  > > wrote:
> >
> > We have a campground that we purchased that was setup for WiFi
> > using a UBNT Bullet as the primary AP with 2 Picos connected using
> > WDS peering.  We had to replace dead some equipment there and I
> > had the tech give both Picos the same SSID as the primary access
> > point which is how I understood it was supposed to work.  Now the
> > campground manager is saying that some of her customers can't
> > connect to the internet and they used to be able to connect to APs
> > with different SSIDs and the Picos are dropping off line. Am I
> > correct that all the radios need the same SSID?
> >
> > Yes, we are going to eventually modernize this site.
> >
> >
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Re: [AFMUG] WDS Peering

[Josh Reynolds]

Uh, no. Mesh pro is dual radio simultaneous, mu-mimo. 3x3 I believe as
well. Have a few on my yard.

On Aug 18, 2017 5:13 PM, "Rory Conaway"  wrote:

Yea but they are 2x2 AC radios.  You start with 300Mbps, drop to 150, then
75Mbps and that's only on the 3rd radio so who cares. I don't know any RV
Parks guaranteeing 50Mbps clients.  We tested 18Mbps on the 3rd hop all day
long with 100 people connected to 3 APs so I'm pretty confident in it.

Rory


-Original Message-
From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Jay Weekley
Sent: Friday, August 18, 2017 12:59 PM
To: af@afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] WDS Peering

That's one option.  Doesn't mesh cut your bandwidth in half as well?

Rory Conaway wrote:
>
> Just replace all the radios with Ubiquiti mesh radios.
>
> Rory
>
> *From:* Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] *On Behalf Of *Steve Jones
> *Sent:* Friday, August 18, 2017 11:24 AM
> *To:* af@afmug.com
> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] WDS Peering
>
> ahh, if youre on a new firmware isn't wep completely gone
>
> if you went to the newest firmware you have to tftp to downgrade
>
> On Fri, Aug 18, 2017 at 1:17 PM, Chris Wright  > wrote:
>
> Yeah natively WDS cannot support WPA. OpenWRT and Apple baked
> their own versions of WDS to support it. I doubt they’d work
> cross-vendors though.
>
> Chris Wright
>
> Network Administrator
>
> *From:*Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com
> ] *On Behalf Of *Josh Reynolds
> *Sent:* Friday, August 18, 2017 11:14 AM
> *To:* af@afmug.com 
> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] WDS Peering
>
> Wds peering, from what I remember, only works with WEP. Yes, same
> ssid, same channel.
>
> On Aug 18, 2017 1:02 PM, "Jay Weekley"  > wrote:
>
> We have a campground that we purchased that was setup for WiFi
> using a UBNT Bullet as the primary AP with 2 Picos connected using
> WDS peering.  We had to replace dead some equipment there and I
> had the tech give both Picos the same SSID as the primary access
> point which is how I understood it was supposed to work.  Now the
> campground manager is saying that some of her customers can't
> connect to the internet and they used to be able to connect to APs
> with different SSIDs and the Picos are dropping off line. Am I
> correct that all the radios need the same SSID?
>
> Yes, we are going to eventually modernize this site.
>
>
> 
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Re: [AFMUG] WDS Peering

[Rory Conaway]

Yea but they are 2x2 AC radios.  You start with 300Mbps, drop to 150, then 
75Mbps and that's only on the 3rd radio so who cares. I don't know any RV Parks 
guaranteeing 50Mbps clients.  We tested 18Mbps on the 3rd hop all day long with 
100 people connected to 3 APs so I'm pretty confident in it.

Rory


-Original Message-
From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Jay Weekley
Sent: Friday, August 18, 2017 12:59 PM
To: af@afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] WDS Peering

That's one option.  Doesn't mesh cut your bandwidth in half as well?

Rory Conaway wrote:
>
> Just replace all the radios with Ubiquiti mesh radios.
>
> Rory
>
> *From:* Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] *On Behalf Of *Steve Jones
> *Sent:* Friday, August 18, 2017 11:24 AM
> *To:* af@afmug.com
> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] WDS Peering
>
> ahh, if youre on a new firmware isn't wep completely gone
>
> if you went to the newest firmware you have to tftp to downgrade
>
> On Fri, Aug 18, 2017 at 1:17 PM, Chris Wright  > wrote:
>
> Yeah natively WDS cannot support WPA. OpenWRT and Apple baked
> their own versions of WDS to support it. I doubt they’d work
> cross-vendors though.
>
> Chris Wright
>
> Network Administrator
>
> *From:*Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com
> ] *On Behalf Of *Josh Reynolds
> *Sent:* Friday, August 18, 2017 11:14 AM
> *To:* af@afmug.com 
> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] WDS Peering
>
> Wds peering, from what I remember, only works with WEP. Yes, same
> ssid, same channel.
>
> On Aug 18, 2017 1:02 PM, "Jay Weekley"  > wrote:
>
> We have a campground that we purchased that was setup for WiFi
> using a UBNT Bullet as the primary AP with 2 Picos connected using
> WDS peering.  We had to replace dead some equipment there and I
> had the tech give both Picos the same SSID as the primary access
> point which is how I understood it was supposed to work.  Now the
> campground manager is saying that some of her customers can't
> connect to the internet and they used to be able to connect to APs
> with different SSIDs and the Picos are dropping off line. Am I
> correct that all the radios need the same SSID?
>
> Yes, we are going to eventually modernize this site.
>
>
> 
>  
>   Virus-free. www.avg.com
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>
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Re: [AFMUG] WDS Peering

[Josh Reynolds]

Not possible. They were mistaken, or there were 1 or more other devices
onsite or nearby on the same frequency,. Which might explain the
disconnects.

On Aug 18, 2017 4:02 PM, "Jay Weekley"  wrote:

> Does it make any sense that they could see use different SSIDs while using
> WDS peering?
>
> Josh Reynolds wrote:
>
>> Wds peering, from what I remember, only works with WEP. Yes, same ssid,
>> same channel.
>>
>>
>>
>> On Aug 18, 2017 1:02 PM, "Jay Weekley" > > wrote:
>>
>> We have a campground that we purchased that was setup for WiFi
>> using a UBNT Bullet as the primary AP with 2 Picos connected using
>> WDS peering.  We had to replace dead some equipment there and I
>> had the tech give both Picos the same SSID as the primary access
>> point which is how I understood it was supposed to work.  Now the
>> campground manager is saying that some of her customers can't
>> connect to the internet and they used to be able to connect to APs
>> with different SSIDs and the Picos are dropping off line.  Am I
>> correct that all the radios need the same SSID?
>>
>> Yes, we are going to eventually modernize this site.
>>
>>
>> > source=link_campaign=sig-email_content=emailclient>
>> Virus-free. www.avg.com > ature?utm_medium=email_source=link_campaign=sig-
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>

Re: [AFMUG] WDS Peering

[Jay Weekley]

Does it make any sense that they could see use different SSIDs while 
using WDS peering?


Josh Reynolds wrote:
Wds peering, from what I remember, only works with WEP. Yes, same 
ssid, same channel.




On Aug 18, 2017 1:02 PM, "Jay Weekley" > wrote:


We have a campground that we purchased that was setup for WiFi
using a UBNT Bullet as the primary AP with 2 Picos connected using
WDS peering.  We had to replace dead some equipment there and I
had the tech give both Picos the same SSID as the primary access
point which is how I understood it was supposed to work.  Now the
campground manager is saying that some of her customers can't
connect to the internet and they used to be able to connect to APs
with different SSIDs and the Picos are dropping off line.  Am I
correct that all the radios need the same SSID?

Yes, we are going to eventually modernize this site.


 
	Virus-free. www.avg.com 
 



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Re: [AFMUG] WDS Peering

[Josh Reynolds]

Store and forward does. Dual and triple radio designs help with this issue
drastically. Basically a dedicated backhaul radio on a different frequency
with multiple possible uplinks for redundancy.

On Aug 18, 2017 2:58 PM, "Jay Weekley"  wrote:

> That's one option.  Doesn't mesh cut your bandwidth in half as well?
>
> Rory Conaway wrote:
>
>>
>> Just replace all the radios with Ubiquiti mesh radios.
>>
>> Rory
>>
>> *From:* Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] *On Behalf Of *Steve Jones
>> *Sent:* Friday, August 18, 2017 11:24 AM
>> *To:* af@afmug.com
>> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] WDS Peering
>>
>> ahh, if youre on a new firmware isn't wep completely gone
>>
>> if you went to the newest firmware you have to tftp to downgrade
>>
>> On Fri, Aug 18, 2017 at 1:17 PM, Chris Wright > > wrote:
>>
>> Yeah natively WDS cannot support WPA. OpenWRT and Apple baked
>> their own versions of WDS to support it. I doubt they’d work
>> cross-vendors though.
>>
>> Chris Wright
>>
>> Network Administrator
>>
>> *From:*Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com
>> ] *On Behalf Of *Josh Reynolds
>> *Sent:* Friday, August 18, 2017 11:14 AM
>> *To:* af@afmug.com 
>> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] WDS Peering
>>
>> Wds peering, from what I remember, only works with WEP. Yes, same
>> ssid, same channel.
>>
>> On Aug 18, 2017 1:02 PM, "Jay Weekley" > > wrote:
>>
>> We have a campground that we purchased that was setup for WiFi
>> using a UBNT Bullet as the primary AP with 2 Picos connected using
>> WDS peering.  We had to replace dead some equipment there and I
>> had the tech give both Picos the same SSID as the primary access
>> point which is how I understood it was supposed to work.  Now the
>> campground manager is saying that some of her customers can't
>> connect to the internet and they used to be able to connect to APs
>> with different SSIDs and the Picos are dropping off line. Am I
>> correct that all the radios need the same SSID?
>>
>> Yes, we are going to eventually modernize this site.
>>
>>
>> > source=link_campaign=sig-email_content=emailclient>
>> Virus-free. www.avg.com > ature?utm_medium=email_source=link_campaign=sig-
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>

Re: [AFMUG] WDS Peering

[Jay Weekley]

That's one option.  Doesn't mesh cut your bandwidth in half as well?

Rory Conaway wrote:


Just replace all the radios with Ubiquiti mesh radios.

Rory

*From:* Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] *On Behalf Of *Steve Jones
*Sent:* Friday, August 18, 2017 11:24 AM
*To:* af@afmug.com
*Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] WDS Peering

ahh, if youre on a new firmware isn't wep completely gone

if you went to the newest firmware you have to tftp to downgrade

On Fri, Aug 18, 2017 at 1:17 PM, Chris Wright > wrote:


Yeah natively WDS cannot support WPA. OpenWRT and Apple baked
their own versions of WDS to support it. I doubt they’d work
cross-vendors though.

Chris Wright

Network Administrator

*From:*Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com
] *On Behalf Of *Josh Reynolds
*Sent:* Friday, August 18, 2017 11:14 AM
*To:* af@afmug.com 
*Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] WDS Peering

Wds peering, from what I remember, only works with WEP. Yes, same
ssid, same channel.

On Aug 18, 2017 1:02 PM, "Jay Weekley" > wrote:

We have a campground that we purchased that was setup for WiFi
using a UBNT Bullet as the primary AP with 2 Picos connected using
WDS peering.  We had to replace dead some equipment there and I
had the tech give both Picos the same SSID as the primary access
point which is how I understood it was supposed to work.  Now the
campground manager is saying that some of her customers can't
connect to the internet and they used to be able to connect to APs
with different SSIDs and the Picos are dropping off line. Am I
correct that all the radios need the same SSID?

Yes, we are going to eventually modernize this site.


 
	Virus-free. www.avg.com 
 



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Re: [AFMUG] WDS Peering

[Rory Conaway]

Just replace all the radios with Ubiquiti mesh radios.

Rory

From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Steve Jones
Sent: Friday, August 18, 2017 11:24 AM
To: af@afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] WDS Peering

ahh, if youre on a new firmware isn't wep completely gone
if you went to the newest firmware you have to tftp to downgrade

On Fri, Aug 18, 2017 at 1:17 PM, Chris Wright 
> wrote:
Yeah natively WDS cannot support WPA. OpenWRT and Apple baked their own 
versions of WDS to support it. I doubt they’d work cross-vendors though.

Chris Wright
Network Administrator

From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf 
Of Josh Reynolds
Sent: Friday, August 18, 2017 11:14 AM
To: af@afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] WDS Peering

Wds peering, from what I remember, only works with WEP. Yes, same ssid, same 
channel.



On Aug 18, 2017 1:02 PM, "Jay Weekley" 
> wrote:
We have a campground that we purchased that was setup for WiFi using a UBNT 
Bullet as the primary AP with 2 Picos connected using WDS peering.  We had to 
replace dead some equipment there and I had the tech give both Picos the same 
SSID as the primary access point which is how I understood it was supposed to 
work.  Now the campground manager is saying that some of her customers can't 
connect to the internet and they used to be able to connect to APs with 
different SSIDs and the Picos are dropping off line.  Am I correct that all the 
radios need the same SSID?

Yes, we are going to eventually modernize this site.

Re: [AFMUG] Figuring out what our FCC application says

[Hardy, Tim]

Steve  - sorry I missed this thread, am on vacation this week - but if you have 
any questions on the license, etc. hit me off-list.


I would add that it is certainly odd that any radio would allow the user to 
drive the power past the distortion level at any modulation - one would have to 
wonder how they could possibly meet the FCC mask in these situations.  We are 
constantly seeing suggestions on various forums for the user to "reduce power 
to stay in highest modulation".  Why isn't the radio setup to do this 
automatically?  Everything else till now has a max power per modulation.


From: Af  on behalf of ch...@wbmfg.com 
Sent: Friday, August 18, 2017 10:31:51 AM
To: af@afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Figuring out what our FCC application says

Probably due to linearity issues in the power amp section.  Higher order 
modulations are harder to amplify without distortion.  There are methods like 
pre-distortion to help but that gets pricy.

From: Rory Conaway
Sent: Thursday, August 17, 2017 10:17 PM
To: af@afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Figuring out what our FCC application says

5Ghz doesn’t interfere with it.  I’ve got one link on a tower with multiple 
5GHz Ubiquiti and I think Cambium sectors on it.  This link is 50 miles and I 
haven’t seen an issue.

As for the power issue, once you get above 23dBm I think (have to check the 
specs), it starts lowering the modulation rate the same as any other radio.  I 
can go back and check some of my links I have up but since all of them are 
under 23dBm anyway, it hasn’t been an issue.

Rory

From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Mathew Howard
Sent: Thursday, August 17, 2017 7:02 PM
To: af
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Figuring out what our FCC application says

They are upconverted 5ghz chipsets, but I don't know that I'd call it 
ubntesque. If 5ghz was interfering, I would assume it would show up on the 
spectrum analyzer, and it doesn't (although the first radios that we got 
replaced did show abnormally high noise floors... so it wouldn't surprise me if 
that was 5ghz leaking in)... but being upconverted chips, I can't help but 
wonder.

I don't think it's too hot, because our other link is at somewhere around 
-41,and it's running at higher modulation. I think I do have the tx power set a 
little lower on the other link though, so I guess that could be making a 
difference.

I wouldn't call these radios junk, but they're no SAF.

On Aug 17, 2017 8:34 PM, "Brett A Mansfield"  
wrote:
I'm with Steve. I just bought a couple B11s and they are going on a tower that 
has so much 5GHz that is very loud. If 5GHz interferes with it then I'm screwed.


Thank you,
Brett A Mansfield

On Aug 17, 2017, at 7:27 PM, Steve Jones  wrote:
So, there is potential for interference from 5g? If this is a garbage chip like 
that i dont want this gear. I wasnt behind the purchase, i want saf, i like 
saf, saf support is awesome, everyone in the saf sales channel has been 
awesome, even the saf guy who doesnt work for them.

I got into junk gear im going to regret, didnt i?

On Aug 17, 2017 7:23 PM, "Jaime Solorza"  wrote:
Ha..not same animal...B11 uses same chip sets as 5GHz radios I am told and up 
converted.  It offers user a lower cost option.  You pay what you get for..
Jaime Solorza

On Aug 17, 2017 10:14 AM, "Bill Prince"  wrote:

I could give a crap about a snazzy GUI, and would much rather have a device 
that could run full modulation and full duplex. Prior to "experiencing" a B11, 
I'd never used a license radio that could not modulate at the full modulation.

bp




On 8/17/2017 9:08 AM, Rory Conaway wrote:
Steve, the interface is far more functional and simpler than most of the other 
licensed links.  I can’t even get real-time bandwidth numbers out of them in 
the GUI’s which is kind of pathetic.   The B11 and the Cloud are far more 
useful.

Rory

From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Steve Jones
Sent: Thursday, August 17, 2017 8:53 AM
To: af@afmug.com
Subject: [AFMUG] Figuring out what our FCC application says

So we have completed the PCN on a couple mimosa B11 links (so very, very 
unimpressed with these radios interface and function) We went through 
comsearch. Trying to configure this, Im not sure what channel settings to put 
in. I went to the application, I see the centers, but no size. Is there a code 
on here that tells me what channel size we are applying for?

And I notice the Application says the radio does not have ATPC, I thought these 
did, maybe im wrong

Re: [AFMUG] OT Monday weather

[Robert Andrews]

There is an alt-burning man going on out there that is bring the bodies 
in en-mass...


On 08/18/2017 10:48 AM, Steve Jones wrote:

I know everybody hates facebook, but I couldn't find the source video
https://www.facebook.com/GoodMorningAmerica/videos/10156190892658812
and that was wednesday

On Fri, Aug 18, 2017 at 11:24 AM, > wrote:

Have not seen a full eclipse since Feb of 79.  And for that one I
had to rent a Piper Turbo Arrow to get above the clouds.  Totally
worth it.

*From:* Bill Prince
*Sent:* Friday, August 18, 2017 10:23 AM
*To:* af@afmug.com
*Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] OT Monday weather


Taking it head on, eh?

bp


On 8/18/2017 9:18 AM, Jaime Solorza wrote:

I am thinking of just cancelling the eclipse.

Re: [AFMUG] WDS Peering

[Steve Jones]

ahh, if youre on a new firmware isn't wep completely gone
if you went to the newest firmware you have to tftp to downgrade

On Fri, Aug 18, 2017 at 1:17 PM, Chris Wright  wrote:

> Yeah natively WDS cannot support WPA. OpenWRT and Apple baked their own
> versions of WDS to support it. I doubt they’d work cross-vendors though.
>
>
>
> Chris Wright
>
> Network Administrator
>
>
>
> *From:* Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] *On Behalf Of *Josh Reynolds
> *Sent:* Friday, August 18, 2017 11:14 AM
> *To:* af@afmug.com
> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] WDS Peering
>
>
>
> Wds peering, from what I remember, only works with WEP. Yes, same ssid,
> same channel.
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> On Aug 18, 2017 1:02 PM, "Jay Weekley"  wrote:
>
> We have a campground that we purchased that was setup for WiFi using a
> UBNT Bullet as the primary AP with 2 Picos connected using WDS peering.  We
> had to replace dead some equipment there and I had the tech give both Picos
> the same SSID as the primary access point which is how I understood it was
> supposed to work.  Now the campground manager is saying that some of her
> customers can't connect to the internet and they used to be able to connect
> to APs with different SSIDs and the Picos are dropping off line.  Am I
> correct that all the radios need the same SSID?
>
> Yes, we are going to eventually modernize this site.
>

Re: [AFMUG] WDS Peering

[Jay Weekley]

That's what baffles me because she swears the customers were able to 
connect to and use different SSIDs.


Josh Reynolds wrote:
Wds peering, from what I remember, only works with WEP. Yes, same 
ssid, same channel.




On Aug 18, 2017 1:02 PM, "Jay Weekley" > wrote:


We have a campground that we purchased that was setup for WiFi
using a UBNT Bullet as the primary AP with 2 Picos connected using
WDS peering.  We had to replace dead some equipment there and I
had the tech give both Picos the same SSID as the primary access
point which is how I understood it was supposed to work.  Now the
campground manager is saying that some of her customers can't
connect to the internet and they used to be able to connect to APs
with different SSIDs and the Picos are dropping off line.  Am I
correct that all the radios need the same SSID?

Yes, we are going to eventually modernize this site.


 
	Virus-free. www.avg.com 
 



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Re: [AFMUG] WDS Peering

[Chris Wright]

Yeah natively WDS cannot support WPA. OpenWRT and Apple baked their own 
versions of WDS to support it. I doubt they’d work cross-vendors though.

 

Chris Wright

Network Administrator

 

From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Josh Reynolds
Sent: Friday, August 18, 2017 11:14 AM
To: af@afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] WDS Peering

 

Wds peering, from what I remember, only works with WEP. Yes, same ssid, same 
channel.

 

 

 

On Aug 18, 2017 1:02 PM, "Jay Weekley"  wrote:

We have a campground that we purchased that was setup for WiFi using a UBNT 
Bullet as the primary AP with 2 Picos connected using WDS peering.  We had to 
replace dead some equipment there and I had the tech give both Picos the same 
SSID as the primary access point which is how I understood it was supposed to 
work.  Now the campground manager is saying that some of her customers can't 
connect to the internet and they used to be able to connect to APs with 
different SSIDs and the Picos are dropping off line.  Am I correct that all the 
radios need the same SSID?

Yes, we are going to eventually modernize this site.

Re: [AFMUG] WDS Peering

[Josh Reynolds]

Wds peering, from what I remember, only works with WEP. Yes, same ssid,
same channel.



On Aug 18, 2017 1:02 PM, "Jay Weekley"  wrote:

> We have a campground that we purchased that was setup for WiFi using a
> UBNT Bullet as the primary AP with 2 Picos connected using WDS peering.  We
> had to replace dead some equipment there and I had the tech give both Picos
> the same SSID as the primary access point which is how I understood it was
> supposed to work.  Now the campground manager is saying that some of her
> customers can't connect to the internet and they used to be able to connect
> to APs with different SSIDs and the Picos are dropping off line.  Am I
> correct that all the radios need the same SSID?
>
> Yes, we are going to eventually modernize this site.
>

[AFMUG] WDS Peering

[Jay Weekley]

We have a campground that we purchased that was setup for WiFi using a 
UBNT Bullet as the primary AP with 2 Picos connected using WDS peering.  
We had to replace dead some equipment there and I had the tech give both 
Picos the same SSID as the primary access point which is how I 
understood it was supposed to work.  Now the campground manager is 
saying that some of her customers can't connect to the internet and they 
used to be able to connect to APs with different SSIDs and the Picos are 
dropping off line.  Am I correct that all the radios need the same SSID?


Yes, we are going to eventually modernize this site.

Re: [AFMUG] OT Monday weather

[Steve Jones]

I know everybody hates facebook, but I couldn't find the source video
https://www.facebook.com/GoodMorningAmerica/videos/10156190892658812
and that was wednesday

On Fri, Aug 18, 2017 at 11:24 AM,  wrote:

> Have not seen a full eclipse since Feb of 79.  And for that one I had to
> rent a Piper Turbo Arrow to get above the clouds.  Totally worth it.
>
> *From:* Bill Prince
> *Sent:* Friday, August 18, 2017 10:23 AM
> *To:* af@afmug.com
> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] OT Monday weather
>
>
> Taking it head on, eh?
>
> bp
> 
>
>
> On 8/18/2017 9:18 AM, Jaime Solorza wrote:
>
> I am thinking of just cancelling the eclipse.
>
>
>
>

Re: [AFMUG] OT Monday weather

[Josh Luthman]

Sounds like you had it really rough.


Josh Luthman
Office: 937-552-2340
Direct: 937-552-2343
1100 Wayne St
Suite 1337
Troy, OH 45373

On Fri, Aug 18, 2017 at 12:24 PM,  wrote:

> Have not seen a full eclipse since Feb of 79.  And for that one I had to
> rent a Piper Turbo Arrow to get above the clouds.  Totally worth it.
>
> *From:* Bill Prince
> *Sent:* Friday, August 18, 2017 10:23 AM
> *To:* af@afmug.com
> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] OT Monday weather
>
>
> Taking it head on, eh?
>
> bp
> 
>
>
> On 8/18/2017 9:18 AM, Jaime Solorza wrote:
>
> I am thinking of just cancelling the eclipse.
>
>
>
>

Re: [AFMUG] OT Monday weather

[chuck]

Have not seen a full eclipse since Feb of 79.  And for that one I had to rent a 
Piper Turbo Arrow to get above the clouds.  Totally worth it.  

From: Bill Prince 
Sent: Friday, August 18, 2017 10:23 AM
To: af@afmug.com 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT Monday weather

Taking it head on, eh?


bp


On 8/18/2017 9:18 AM, Jaime Solorza wrote:

  I am thinking of just cancelling the eclipse.  

Re: [AFMUG] OT Monday weather

[Bill Prince]

Taking it head on, eh?

bp


On 8/18/2017 9:18 AM, Jaime Solorza wrote:

I am thinking of just cancelling the eclipse.

Re: [AFMUG] OT Monday weather

[Jaime Solorza]

I am thinking of just cancelling the eclipse.

Jaime Solorza
Wireless Systems Architect
915-861-1390

On Fri, Aug 18, 2017 at 10:12 AM,  wrote:

> Looks like it is improving.  Only Missouri is showing clouds.  (And a bit
> of Kansas).
>

[AFMUG] OT Monday weather

[chuck]

Looks like it is improving.  Only Missouri is showing clouds.  (And a bit of 
Kansas).  

Re: [AFMUG] Who did what?

[Steve Jones]

F that, shanks ponies

On Fri, Aug 18, 2017 at 10:53 AM, Matt Hoppes <
mattli...@rivervalleyinternet.net> wrote:

> Uber
>
> > On Aug 18, 2017, at 10:56, Jay Weekley 
> wrote:
> >
> > Sounds very awkward indeed but kudos for taking ownership of the
> situation.
> >
> > ch...@wbmfg.com wrote:
> >> HR manager or the person that fired them.
> >>
> >> -Original Message- From: Jay Weekley
> >> Sent: Friday, August 18, 2017 8:50 AM
> >> To: af@afmug.com
> >> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Who did what?
> >>
> >> How do you decide who drives the just fired guy home?  Sounds like some
> >> awkward travel?
> >>
> >> ch...@wbmfg.com wrote:
> >>> Yeah, I always have someone drive them home if they have been using a
> company rig to commute.  But when they are done they are done. Quietly,
> discretely.  I don't even give them a chance to mingle with other employees
> if possible.
> >>>
> >>> -Original Message- From: Paul Stewart
> >>> Sent: Friday, August 18, 2017 4:48 AM
> >>> To: Animal Farm
> >>> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Who did what?
> >>>
> >>> This is why you never give employees advance notice that their job is
> ending - too many grey areas in my opinion.
> >>>
> >>> Prepare their exit package, meet with them first thing when they
> arrive at work that day, give them the package and explain things briefly,
> then walk them out the door.  It’s the simplest way to do it and best for
> the staff member and yourself.  Don’t let emotions and questions run into
> letting someone go - that never works out for anyone ….
> >>>
> >>> Paul
> >>>
> >>>
>  On Aug 18, 2017, at 1:45 AM, Matt Hoppes  rivervalleyinternet.net> wrote:
> 
>  I'm curious on opinions on a scenario...
> 
>  Now, the way this plays out is somewhat like the AT call center
> from a few weeks ago, but ignore that...
> 
>  If an employee is told their last day is today, please complete the
> tasks assigned to you and then go on your way.
> 
>  BUT... the employee refuses to complete any of the jobs assigned to
> them and instead immediately walks off the job telling you "find someone
> else to do those tasks, I need to go look for work".
> 
>  Did the employee get fired... or quit their job?
> >>>
> >>>
> >>> ---
> >>> This email has been checked for viruses by AVG.
> >>> http://www.avg.com
> >>>
> >>>
> >>
> >>
> >
>

Re: [AFMUG] how far and much

[Lewis Bergman]

That's what R56 is. RUS has their own for telco CO's

On Thu, Aug 17, 2017 at 8:25 PM David Milholen  wrote:

> 10-4
>
> Now were gettin there.
>
> There has to be a standard or set of standards to follow so that the rest
> will follow.
>
>
>
> On 8/16/2017 10:01 PM, Jaime Solorza wrote:
>
> Your last line is why PIM testing and prevention is such a fast growing
> business.  We have standards to meet and are held accountable at SCADA
> sites.  We have inspectors check everything and final payment can be held
> up until everything passes.  Always try to do it right first time...pays
> off in the future...
>
> Jaime Solorza
>
> On Aug 16, 2017 5:59 PM, "David Milholen"  wrote:
>
> These are all good answers but there is more.
>>
>> Definitely points to be made on other geographic areas and soil content.
>>
>> I do not believe for one second there isnt a tower that will NOT get
>> struck.
>>
>> Thing about the energy that strikes is to channel that energy or disperse
>> it somewhere it
>>
>> dissolves.
>>
>> I have 3 sites that are all on mt tops and all are on the last run for
>> power. Not good combos for any tower.
>>
>> As far as just giving up on a site because you lost a few $$ in gear and
>> saying there is nothing that can be done is the point to be made here
>>
>> how far would you go before condemning a Site unfit for service?
>>
>> I have been put into position for our company to "FIX IT" per say.  So,
>> for all practical purposes there is more than one site I have definitely
>> wanted
>>
>> to throw in the towel. For some reason for me there is a fix or an answer
>> for the fix.
>>
>> I always look to R56 for the standard of grounding and protection and as
>> tech changes so does the protection standards.
>>
>> Now that I have taken that stance a majority of my issues for
>> sustainability and reliability have practically diminished. I also follow
>> the lead of other
>>
>> telcos that we share the same tower and what they are doing for grounding
>> and prevention.
>>
>> This only one phase of how for I would go. Field testing and using the
>> right tools and starting with the basics is just a small part of finding
>> the problem.
>>
>> The very first and most important to me is looking at power coming into
>> the facility the source. The second is the tower itself. Metal fatigue and
>> rust can cause
>>
>> some weirdo issues on a tower.
>>
>> Contractors need to understand the importance of any project that
>> requires grounds and the standards that we want on those methods of
>> grounding.
>>
>> I have seen poor irreversible crimp jobs on ground rings and cable tray
>> grounds.
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> On 8/16/2017 12:44 PM, Chuck McCown wrote:
>>
>> Nice.  Sounds like a PANI type of system.
>>
>> *From:* Paul Stewart
>> *Sent:* Wednesday, August 16, 2017 10:10 AM
>> *To:* Animal Farm
>> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] how far and much
>>
>> Great questions … and something I should have elaborated on for sure…
>>
>> Yes - each portion of the tower had it’s own isolated grounds besides the
>> tower itself.  These went into a grounding grid built around the base of
>> the site.  The guy wires were of course all grounded out into their own
>> grids as well.
>>
>> The top of the tower was grounded and the bottom portion of the tower was
>> grounded - both on separate isolated runs.
>>
>> The point of entry including the raceway to hold the cables were grounded
>> - the cabling (Heliax, LMR, and ethernet) all had grounded surge
>> suppression in that section on the building exterior.  On the building
>> interior, there was an exact replication of the outside (everything surge
>> surpressed and grounded away from building itself).
>>
>> The building itself was elevated on concrete posts and two grounds for
>> the building itself were tied to the grid as I recall.  The concrete was
>> made from a special mixture - wish I could remember the name of this stuff
>> but it’s supposed to provide for additional protection going out to the
>> grounding grids around the building…
>>
>> Each raceway, and portion of the lineups were tied into an interior
>> grounding block which was then ran outside.
>>
>> This is all by memory …. It was literally at $2mil site with equipment
>> and tower.  There was a company brought in for the engineering aspects and
>> another company specific to the grounding portions.
>>
>> Thanks,
>> Paul
>>
>>
>>
>> On Aug 16, 2017, at 10:21 AM, Chuck McCown  wrote:
>>
>> So, was the tower mounted equipment isolated with its own ground wire?
>> Curious about the improper isolation at the entry point.
>> What was the proper way and what did the improper installation do to
>> violate that?
>>
>> *From:* Paul Stewart
>> *Sent:* Wednesday, August 16, 2017 8:05 AM
>> *To:* af@afmug.com
>> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] how far and much
>>
>> I’ve only ever encountered one tower (at former job) that was pretty
>> “bulletproof” …
>>
>> The tower was 350ft and 

Re: [AFMUG] Who did what?

[Matt Hoppes]

Uber

> On Aug 18, 2017, at 10:56, Jay Weekley  wrote:
> 
> Sounds very awkward indeed but kudos for taking ownership of the situation.
> 
> ch...@wbmfg.com wrote:
>> HR manager or the person that fired them.
>> 
>> -Original Message- From: Jay Weekley
>> Sent: Friday, August 18, 2017 8:50 AM
>> To: af@afmug.com
>> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Who did what?
>> 
>> How do you decide who drives the just fired guy home?  Sounds like some
>> awkward travel?
>> 
>> ch...@wbmfg.com wrote:
>>> Yeah, I always have someone drive them home if they have been using a 
>>> company rig to commute.  But when they are done they are done. Quietly, 
>>> discretely.  I don't even give them a chance to mingle with other employees 
>>> if possible.
>>> 
>>> -Original Message- From: Paul Stewart
>>> Sent: Friday, August 18, 2017 4:48 AM
>>> To: Animal Farm
>>> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Who did what?
>>> 
>>> This is why you never give employees advance notice that their job is 
>>> ending - too many grey areas in my opinion.
>>> 
>>> Prepare their exit package, meet with them first thing when they arrive at 
>>> work that day, give them the package and explain things briefly, then walk 
>>> them out the door.  It’s the simplest way to do it and best for the staff 
>>> member and yourself.  Don’t let emotions and questions run into letting 
>>> someone go - that never works out for anyone ….
>>> 
>>> Paul
>>> 
>>> 
 On Aug 18, 2017, at 1:45 AM, Matt Hoppes 
  wrote:
 
 I'm curious on opinions on a scenario...
 
 Now, the way this plays out is somewhat like the AT call center from a 
 few weeks ago, but ignore that...
 
 If an employee is told their last day is today, please complete the tasks 
 assigned to you and then go on your way.
 
 BUT... the employee refuses to complete any of the jobs assigned to them 
 and instead immediately walks off the job telling you "find someone else 
 to do those tasks, I need to go look for work".
 
 Did the employee get fired... or quit their job?
>>> 
>>> 
>>> ---
>>> This email has been checked for viruses by AVG.
>>> http://www.avg.com
>>> 
>>> 
>> 
>> 
> 

[AFMUG] Mikrotik user manager + Paypal

[Adam Moffett]

One of our guys is trying to set up Mikrotk User Manager and Paypal.

Where he's stuck is that Paypal accepts the payment, but the new user is 
never activated in the Mikrotik.  He's been through a variety of 
solutions proposed in forums and is still not having any luck.


Anybody been down this road already and have any pointers?

Re: [AFMUG] Who did what?

[Jay Weekley]

Sounds very awkward indeed but kudos for taking ownership of the situation.

ch...@wbmfg.com wrote:

HR manager or the person that fired them.

-Original Message- From: Jay Weekley
Sent: Friday, August 18, 2017 8:50 AM
To: af@afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Who did what?

How do you decide who drives the just fired guy home?  Sounds like some
awkward travel?

ch...@wbmfg.com wrote:
Yeah, I always have someone drive them home if they have been using a 
company rig to commute.  But when they are done they are done. 
Quietly, discretely.  I don't even give them a chance to mingle with 
other employees if possible.


-Original Message- From: Paul Stewart
Sent: Friday, August 18, 2017 4:48 AM
To: Animal Farm
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Who did what?

This is why you never give employees advance notice that their job is 
ending - too many grey areas in my opinion.


Prepare their exit package, meet with them first thing when they 
arrive at work that day, give them the package and explain things 
briefly, then walk them out the door.  It’s the simplest way to do it 
and best for the staff member and yourself.  Don’t let emotions and 
questions run into letting someone go - that never works out for 
anyone ….


Paul


On Aug 18, 2017, at 1:45 AM, Matt Hoppes 
 wrote:


I'm curious on opinions on a scenario...

Now, the way this plays out is somewhat like the AT call center 
from a few weeks ago, but ignore that...


If an employee is told their last day is today, please complete the 
tasks assigned to you and then go on your way.


BUT... the employee refuses to complete any of the jobs assigned to 
them and instead immediately walks off the job telling you "find 
someone else to do those tasks, I need to go look for work".


Did the employee get fired... or quit their job?



---
This email has been checked for viruses by AVG.
http://www.avg.com

Re: [AFMUG] Who did what?

[chuck]

HR manager or the person that fired them.

-Original Message- 
From: Jay Weekley

Sent: Friday, August 18, 2017 8:50 AM
To: af@afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Who did what?

How do you decide who drives the just fired guy home?  Sounds like some
awkward travel?

ch...@wbmfg.com wrote:
Yeah, I always have someone drive them home if they have been using a 
company rig to commute.  But when they are done they are done. Quietly, 
discretely.  I don't even give them a chance to mingle with other 
employees if possible.


-Original Message- From: Paul Stewart
Sent: Friday, August 18, 2017 4:48 AM
To: Animal Farm
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Who did what?

This is why you never give employees advance notice that their job is 
ending - too many grey areas in my opinion.


Prepare their exit package, meet with them first thing when they arrive at 
work that day, give them the package and explain things briefly, then walk 
them out the door.  It’s the simplest way to do it and best for the staff 
member and yourself.  Don’t let emotions and questions run into letting 
someone go - that never works out for anyone ….


Paul


On Aug 18, 2017, at 1:45 AM, Matt Hoppes 
 wrote:


I'm curious on opinions on a scenario...

Now, the way this plays out is somewhat like the AT call center from a 
few weeks ago, but ignore that...


If an employee is told their last day is today, please complete the tasks 
assigned to you and then go on your way.


BUT... the employee refuses to complete any of the jobs assigned to them 
and instead immediately walks off the job telling you "find someone else 
to do those tasks, I need to go look for work".


Did the employee get fired... or quit their job?



---
This email has been checked for viruses by AVG.
http://www.avg.com

Re: [AFMUG] OT RM

[chuck]

No joy.  Updated to the latest version.  

Tried to force it to look at D:

Still going to C: for elevation files.  

From: Brian Webster 
Sent: Friday, August 18, 2017 6:45 AM
To: af@afmug.com 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT RM

Make sure you have the path set correctly in two places; one is under your 
internet options under SRTM. There is where you set the path to store the files 
and the server to download from the internet.

 

The second place you have to make sure you have set properly is when you are 
drawing the map. When the dialog window comes up to draw the map and you set 
the map size and vertical scale, you have the option of selecting the path for 
your SRTM or BIL terrain data files. This needs to match the location you have 
set under the options-internet-srtm program settings.

 

Thank You,

Brian Webster

www.wirelessmapping.com

www.Broadband-Mapping.com

 

From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of ch...@wbmfg.com
Sent: Thursday, August 17, 2017 6:22 PM
To: af@afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT RM

 

The files are actually on my drive.

C:\RM\Geodata\srtm1

 

And I locked it down to local files only, it persists on looking in the root 
directory of C:

 

It will not follow the path.  

 

From: ch...@wbmfg.com 

Sent: Thursday, August 17, 2017 4:16 PM

To: af@afmug.com 

Subject: [AFMUG] OT RM

 

I have had this problem before.  One copy of RM on one computer does not seem 
to be able to find SRTM.  

 

When looking for files it looks for them in the root of C drive and apparently 
nowhere else.  

This copy used to work just fine.  I have not changed anything.  

 

Have some of the internet sources of this data changed?  

I was just using it on a different computer earlier in the day.

It has to be a config problem.  

Re: [AFMUG] Who did what?

[Jay Weekley]

How do you decide who drives the just fired guy home?  Sounds like some 
awkward travel?


ch...@wbmfg.com wrote:
Yeah, I always have someone drive them home if they have been using a 
company rig to commute.  But when they are done they are done. 
Quietly, discretely.  I don't even give them a chance to mingle with 
other employees if possible.


-Original Message- From: Paul Stewart
Sent: Friday, August 18, 2017 4:48 AM
To: Animal Farm
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Who did what?

This is why you never give employees advance notice that their job is 
ending - too many grey areas in my opinion.


Prepare their exit package, meet with them first thing when they 
arrive at work that day, give them the package and explain things 
briefly, then walk them out the door.  It’s the simplest way to do it 
and best for the staff member and yourself.  Don’t let emotions and 
questions run into letting someone go - that never works out for 
anyone ….


Paul


On Aug 18, 2017, at 1:45 AM, Matt Hoppes 
 wrote:


I'm curious on opinions on a scenario...

Now, the way this plays out is somewhat like the AT call center 
from a few weeks ago, but ignore that...


If an employee is told their last day is today, please complete the 
tasks assigned to you and then go on your way.


BUT... the employee refuses to complete any of the jobs assigned to 
them and instead immediately walks off the job telling you "find 
someone else to do those tasks, I need to go look for work".


Did the employee get fired... or quit their job?



---
This email has been checked for viruses by AVG.
http://www.avg.com

Re: [AFMUG] OT RM

[chuck]

Both places have the correct path.  I am going to change them to D: and put a 
folder there to see if I snap it out of its crazy behavior.  

From: Brian Webster 
Sent: Friday, August 18, 2017 6:45 AM
To: af@afmug.com 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT RM

Make sure you have the path set correctly in two places; one is under your 
internet options under SRTM. There is where you set the path to store the files 
and the server to download from the internet.

 

The second place you have to make sure you have set properly is when you are 
drawing the map. When the dialog window comes up to draw the map and you set 
the map size and vertical scale, you have the option of selecting the path for 
your SRTM or BIL terrain data files. This needs to match the location you have 
set under the options-internet-srtm program settings.

 

Thank You,

Brian Webster

www.wirelessmapping.com

www.Broadband-Mapping.com

 

From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of ch...@wbmfg.com
Sent: Thursday, August 17, 2017 6:22 PM
To: af@afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT RM

 

The files are actually on my drive.

C:\RM\Geodata\srtm1

 

And I locked it down to local files only, it persists on looking in the root 
directory of C:

 

It will not follow the path.  

 

From: ch...@wbmfg.com 

Sent: Thursday, August 17, 2017 4:16 PM

To: af@afmug.com 

Subject: [AFMUG] OT RM

 

I have had this problem before.  One copy of RM on one computer does not seem 
to be able to find SRTM.  

 

When looking for files it looks for them in the root of C drive and apparently 
nowhere else.  

This copy used to work just fine.  I have not changed anything.  

 

Have some of the internet sources of this data changed?  

I was just using it on a different computer earlier in the day.

It has to be a config problem.  

Re: [AFMUG] Who did what?

[chuck]

Yeah, I always have someone drive them home if they have been using a 
company rig to commute.  But when they are done they are done.  Quietly, 
discretely.  I don't even give them a chance to mingle with other employees 
if possible.


-Original Message- 
From: Paul Stewart

Sent: Friday, August 18, 2017 4:48 AM
To: Animal Farm
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Who did what?

This is why you never give employees advance notice that their job is 
ending - too many grey areas in my opinion.


Prepare their exit package, meet with them first thing when they arrive at 
work that day, give them the package and explain things briefly, then walk 
them out the door.  It’s the simplest way to do it and best for the staff 
member and yourself.  Don’t let emotions and questions run into letting 
someone go - that never works out for anyone ….


Paul


On Aug 18, 2017, at 1:45 AM, Matt Hoppes 
 wrote:


I'm curious on opinions on a scenario...

Now, the way this plays out is somewhat like the AT call center from a 
few weeks ago, but ignore that...


If an employee is told their last day is today, please complete the tasks 
assigned to you and then go on your way.


BUT... the employee refuses to complete any of the jobs assigned to them 
and instead immediately walks off the job telling you "find someone else 
to do those tasks, I need to go look for work".


Did the employee get fired... or quit their job?

[AFMUG] DIN Terminal Strip

[Matt]

We typically set each site up with a Meanwell 10 amp 24 volt power
supply, battery revert, PacketFlux sitemon, 24-48 converter etc.  Then
we add sync injectors as needed.  What I would really like is a neat
DIN mount terminal strip.

We currently use something like this.

https://www.amazon.com/ASIUK5N-Mounted-Terminal-Block-Screw/dp/B00MO827HU/

It just gets a bit ugly when you have a lot of them.  Anyone have
something that works better?

Re: [AFMUG] OT Monday Morning

[chuck]

What do you call yours?

From: Steve Jones 
Sent: Thursday, August 17, 2017 10:42 PM
To: af@afmug.com 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT Monday Morning

I really hope by trumpet, you mean trumpet, as in musical instrument

On Thu, Aug 17, 2017 at 9:11 PM, Chuck McCown  wrote:

  I took the mercury out of a thermostat and totally coated my trumpet.  It was 
very shiny for a while.  I still have that trumpet.  

  From: Steve Jones 
  Sent: Thursday, August 17, 2017 5:59 PM
  To: af@afmug.com 
  Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT Monday Morning

  Those were the good old days, i got caught playing with a puddle of mercury 
from a broken thermometer on the playground once. The teacher told me i was 
going to die and i was stupid. Made me wash my hands. After school i told my 
mom, she told me i wasnt going to die, but i was stupid, then we talked about 
how cool mercury is to mess with and how she played with it as a kid. 
  Today, a hazmat crew would have been called in and 10 kids who werent  near 
it would have had lawsuits against the school.

  Was on the playground after school once, the city had just widened the 
streets. As i stepped off the grass to the blacktop i heard a crazy loud 
cracking, woosh and bang behind me, as i turned around the tree next to the 
road had fallen like 10 feet behind me cause the city cut through all the roots 
on one side. Of course i went in to investigate. I had just laud down to look 
up through the limbs when a teacher came out and saw me laying there. Thought 
the tree fell on me and freaked out. When i got up laughing they cussed me out. 
Then we had a good laugh.
  Today that would have resulted in all the trees getting cut down (it 
ultimately did a few years later). The teacher would have been fired for 
cursing at me and i would have been forced into ptsd treatment.

  When i shot the teacher in the eye with my rubber band gun, i got a sweet 
paddlin and my rubber band gun taken away til the end of the day.
  Today, i would have been imprisoned, the school would have been on lockdown, 
and mothers against guns would have protested until we installed metal 
detectors (it was a wooden rubber band gun)


  All i can say is wtf, and i feel bad for my kids 

  On Aug 17, 2017 6:45 PM, "Josh Reynolds"  wrote:

That was a different age where it wasn't common to have multiple pending 
lawsuits against school districts a week.

On Aug 17, 2017 6:37 PM, "Steve Jones"  wrote:

  When i was in school and we had the partial eclips the teachers told us 
to just look kind of by it, but not right at it. We werent helpless dummies. 

  On another note, anybody wanna go in on buying a boatload of iphones and 
whatnot for tuesday when the stores run out because every moron burnt their 
cameras up filming it? Markups of 1500 percent will probably be doable wuth 
these mopes.

  Im assuming this wont be covered under warranty either, its gonna be hawt.

  On Aug 17, 2017 5:48 PM, "Josh Reynolds"  wrote:

HRM? It's a liability thing. 

We had to sign one for ours too.

"blah blah blah, staring into the sun is bad, we accept no risk for 
your children's vision, sign here if you are aware of all of this and are still 
willing to let your kids go outside or whatever"

On Aug 17, 2017 4:51 PM,  wrote:

  That’s some pretty subversive crap.  
  Manifest destiny...  opiate of the masses...

  From: Steve Jones 
  Sent: Thursday, August 17, 2017 3:45 PM
  To: af@afmug.com 
  Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT Monday Morning

  I has to sign a permission slip for my kids to watch it at school. 
  Madness

  On Thu, Aug 17, 2017 at 4:02 PM,  wrote:

Go West, young man.

From: Forrest Christian (List Account) 
Sent: Thursday, August 17, 2017 3:01 PM
To: af 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT Monday Morning

Looking like I might want to skip Wyoming and go to plan B

On Aug 17, 2017 11:20 AM, "Chuck McCown"  wrote:

  So far, so good:
  
https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/capital-weather-gang/wp/2017/08/17/total-solar-eclipse-weather-forecast-as-of-aug-17/?utm_term=.639cd1b17ec3

Re: [AFMUG] Figuring out what our FCC application says

[chuck]

Probably due to linearity issues in the power amp section.  Higher order 
modulations are harder to amplify without distortion.  There are methods like 
pre-distortion to help but that gets pricy.  

From: Rory Conaway 
Sent: Thursday, August 17, 2017 10:17 PM
To: af@afmug.com 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Figuring out what our FCC application says

5Ghz doesn’t interfere with it.  I’ve got one link on a tower with multiple 
5GHz Ubiquiti and I think Cambium sectors on it.  This link is 50 miles and I 
haven’t seen an issue.

As for the power issue, once you get above 23dBm I think (have to check the 
specs), it starts lowering the modulation rate the same as any other radio.  I 
can go back and check some of my links I have up but since all of them are 
under 23dBm anyway, it hasn’t been an issue.

Rory   

 

From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Mathew Howard
Sent: Thursday, August 17, 2017 7:02 PM
To: af
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Figuring out what our FCC application says

 

They are upconverted 5ghz chipsets, but I don't know that I'd call it 
ubntesque. If 5ghz was interfering, I would assume it would show up on the 
spectrum analyzer, and it doesn't (although the first radios that we got 
replaced did show abnormally high noise floors... so it wouldn't surprise me if 
that was 5ghz leaking in)... but being upconverted chips, I can't help but 
wonder. 

 

I don't think it's too hot, because our other link is at somewhere around 
-41,and it's running at higher modulation. I think I do have the tx power set a 
little lower on the other link though, so I guess that could be making a 
difference. 

 

I wouldn't call these radios junk, but they're no SAF. 

 

On Aug 17, 2017 8:34 PM, "Brett A Mansfield"  
wrote:

I'm with Steve. I just bought a couple B11s and they are going on a tower that 
has so much 5GHz that is very loud. If 5GHz interferes with it then I'm 
screwed. 



Thank you,

Brett A Mansfield


On Aug 17, 2017, at 7:27 PM, Steve Jones  wrote:

  So, there is potential for interference from 5g? If this is a garbage chip 
like that i dont want this gear. I wasnt behind the purchase, i want saf, i 
like saf, saf support is awesome, everyone in the saf sales channel has been 
awesome, even the saf guy who doesnt work for them.

   

  I got into junk gear im going to regret, didnt i?

   

  On Aug 17, 2017 7:23 PM, "Jaime Solorza"  wrote:

Ha..not same animal...B11 uses same chip sets as 5GHz radios I am told and 
up converted.  It offers user a lower cost option.  You pay what you get for..

Jaime Solorza

 

On Aug 17, 2017 10:14 AM, "Bill Prince"  wrote:

I could give a crap about a snazzy GUI, and would much rather have a device 
that could run full modulation and full duplex. Prior to "experiencing" a B11, 
I'd never used a license radio that could not modulate at the full modulation.

bp On 8/17/2017 9:08 AM, Rory Conaway wrote:

  Steve, the interface is far more functional and simpler than most of the 
other licensed links.  I can’t even get real-time bandwidth numbers out of them 
in the GUI’s which is kind of pathetic.   The B11 and the Cloud are far more 
useful.

   

  Rory

   

  From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Steve Jones
  Sent: Thursday, August 17, 2017 8:53 AM
  To: af@afmug.com
  Subject: [AFMUG] Figuring out what our FCC application says

   

  So we have completed the PCN on a couple mimosa B11 links (so very, very 
unimpressed with these radios interface and function) We went through 
comsearch. Trying to configure this, Im not sure what channel settings to put 
in. I went to the application, I see the centers, but no size. Is there a code 
on here that tells me what channel size we are applying for?

   

  And I notice the Application says the radio does not have ATPC, I thought 
these did, maybe im wrong

 

 

Re: [AFMUG] towerdirect.net

[chuck]

Good to know.  

From: Jeremy 
Sent: Thursday, August 17, 2017 8:56 PM
To: af@afmug.com 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] towerdirect.net

Yeah, that is specifically who I am talking about.  Ballard was outrageous 
compared to the pricing on towerdirect.

On Thu, Aug 17, 2017 at 8:09 PM, Chuck McCown  wrote:

  Ballard Supply (I think) used to stock Rohn in SLC.  

  From: Jeremy 
  Sent: Thursday, August 17, 2017 5:50 PM
  To: af@afmug.com 
  Subject: Re: [AFMUG] towerdirect.net

  That was my exact experience.  Amazing price, and great customer service.  No 
damage, and quality product.  I was blown away at the price compared to local 
retailers.  Although, you need to order a semi truck full for it to really be 
worth the shipping cost, which we did.

  On Thu, Aug 17, 2017 at 12:07 PM, Brett A Mansfield 
 wrote:

I just got my tower direct parts a few minutes ago and I wanted to share my 
experience. I am very impressed with their company. Good quality product at a 
great price. This was my first time ordering tower products and they were very 
helpful through the process.

Thank you,
Brett A Mansfield

> On Aug 9, 2017, at 2:32 PM, Brett A Mansfield 
 wrote:
>
> Has anyone ever used towerdirect.net? I'm about to order some 25N rhon 
pieces, but I want to make sure they're a legit company before handing over the 
money.
>
> Thank you,
> Brett A Mansfield

Re: [AFMUG] Wimax 2

[ste]

No. I bought one of this intel chips. This was a minipci Wifi/Wimax combination 
which was quite cheap. But the driver bound this to some medium sized carriers 
which where listed by intel. So I had a wimax BS a wimax Chipset in my laptop 
but I cant connect as Intel did not allow to.


> -Ursprüngliche Nachricht-
> Von: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] Im Auftrag von Bill Prince
> Gesendet: Freitag, 18. August 2017 15:47
> An: af@afmug.com
> Betreff: Re: [AFMUG] Wimax 2
> 
> Intel "created" WiMax IIRC, or at least funded the majority of the
> development. Part of the thought was that they would make chip sets (ala
> WiFi), and drive down the cost (ala WiFi). Nobody really bought it, and WiFi
> variations caught up to it for the most part before the performance and/or
> costs could be realized.
> 
> 
> bp
> 
> 
> On 8/17/2017 6:08 PM, George Skorup wrote:
> > Didn't some major backers like Intel pull out of WiMax completely,
> > effectively making it dead? Kinda no reason to compete with LTE anyway.

Re: [AFMUG] Who did what?

[Bill Prince]

They were fired. That's the reason you show someone the door when you 
terminate them. There is absolutely ZERO expectation for that "employee" 
to do the "job" correctly or even not do sabotage on the way.



bp


On 8/17/2017 10:45 PM, Matt Hoppes wrote:

I'm curious on opinions on a scenario...

Now, the way this plays out is somewhat like the AT call center from 
a few weeks ago, but ignore that...


If an employee is told their last day is today, please complete the 
tasks assigned to you and then go on your way.


BUT... the employee refuses to complete any of the jobs assigned to 
them and instead immediately walks off the job telling you "find 
someone else to do those tasks, I need to go look for work".


Did the employee get fired... or quit their job?

Re: [AFMUG] OT Monday Morning

[Bill Prince]

We coated pennies to make them "look" like dimes. Thinking we'd make 9 
cents on each transformation.



bp


On 8/17/2017 7:11 PM, Chuck McCown wrote:
I took the mercury out of a thermostat and totally coated my trumpet.  
It was very shiny for a while.  I still have that trumpet.

*From:* Steve Jones
*Sent:* Thursday, August 17, 2017 5:59 PM
*To:* af@afmug.com
*Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] OT Monday Morning
Those were the good old days, i got caught playing with a puddle of 
mercury from a broken thermometer on the playground once. The teacher 
told me i was going to die and i was stupid. Made me wash my hands. 
After school i told my mom, she told me i wasnt going to die, but i 
was stupid, then we talked about how cool mercury is to mess with and 
how she played with it as a kid.
Today, a hazmat crew would have been called in and 10 kids who werent  
near it would have had lawsuits against the school.
Was on the playground after school once, the city had just widened the 
streets. As i stepped off the grass to the blacktop i heard a crazy 
loud cracking, woosh and bang behind me, as i turned around the tree 
next to the road had fallen like 10 feet behind me cause the city cut 
through all the roots on one side. Of course i went in to investigate. 
I had just laud down to look up through the limbs when a teacher came 
out and saw me laying there. Thought the tree fell on me and freaked 
out. When i got up laughing they cussed me out. Then we had a good laugh.
Today that would have resulted in all the trees getting cut down (it 
ultimately did a few years later). The teacher would have been fired 
for cursing at me and i would have been forced into ptsd treatment.
When i shot the teacher in the eye with my rubber band gun, i got a 
sweet paddlin and my rubber band gun taken away til the end of the day.
Today, i would have been imprisoned, the school would have been on 
lockdown, and mothers against guns would have protested until we 
installed metal detectors (it was a wooden rubber band gun)

All i can say is wtf, and i feel bad for my kids
On Aug 17, 2017 6:45 PM, "Josh Reynolds"  wrote:

That was a different age where it wasn't common to have multiple
pending lawsuits against school districts a week.
On Aug 17, 2017 6:37 PM, "Steve Jones" 
wrote:

When i was in school and we had the partial eclips the
teachers told us to just look kind of by it, but not right at
it. We werent helpless dummies.
On another note, anybody wanna go in on buying a boatload of
iphones and whatnot for tuesday when the stores run out
because every moron burnt their cameras up filming it? Markups
of 1500 percent will probably be doable wuth these mopes.
Im assuming this wont be covered under warranty either, its
gonna be hawt.
On Aug 17, 2017 5:48 PM, "Josh Reynolds"
 wrote:

HRM? It's a liability thing.
We had to sign one for ours too.
"blah blah blah, staring into the sun is bad, we accept no
risk for your children's vision, sign here if you are
aware of all of this and are still willing to let your
kids go outside or whatever"
On Aug 17, 2017 4:51 PM,  wrote:

That’s some pretty subversive crap.
Manifest destiny... opiate of the masses...
*From:* Steve Jones
*Sent:* Thursday, August 17, 2017 3:45 PM
*To:* af@afmug.com
*Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] OT Monday Morning
I has to sign a permission slip for my kids to watch
it at school.
Madness
On Thu, Aug 17, 2017 at 4:02 PM,  wrote:

Go West, young man.
*From:* Forrest Christian (List Account)
*Sent:* Thursday, August 17, 2017 3:01 PM
*To:* af
*Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] OT Monday Morning
Looking like I might want to skip Wyoming and go
to plan B
On Aug 17, 2017 11:20 AM, "Chuck McCown"
 wrote:

So far, so good:

https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/capital-weather-gang/wp/2017/08/17/total-solar-eclipse-weather-forecast-as-of-aug-17/?utm_term=.639cd1b17ec3

Re: [AFMUG] Wimax 2

[Bill Prince]

Intel "created" WiMax IIRC, or at least funded the majority of the 
development. Part of the thought was that they would make chip sets (ala 
WiFi), and drive down the cost (ala WiFi). Nobody really bought it, and 
WiFi variations caught up to it for the most part before the performance 
and/or costs could be realized.



bp


On 8/17/2017 6:08 PM, George Skorup wrote:
Didn't some major backers like Intel pull out of WiMax completely, 
effectively making it dead? Kinda no reason to compete with LTE anyway.

Re: [AFMUG] Radiomobile raster to polygon/shapefile

[Eric Muehleisen]

Mike, this is great info. I'm downloading QGIS now. Thank you!

On Fri, Aug 18, 2017 at 5:49 AM, Mike Hammett  wrote:

> https://gis.stackexchange.com/questions/134627/converting-
> raster-presented-in-kml-to-polygon-using-arcgis-desktop
>
> Last time it wasn't quite the same, but I'm not sure what I did
> differently.
>
> There used to be a web site that did it, but I started looking into how to
> do it on my own in case that site disappeared. Now it may have.
>
>
> -
> Mike Hammett
> Intelligent Computing Solutions 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> Midwest Internet Exchange 
> 
> 
> 
> The Brothers WISP 
> 
>
>
> 
> --
> *From: *"Eric Muehleisen" 
> *To: *af@afmug.com
> *Sent: *Thursday, August 17, 2017 4:33:35 PM
> *Subject: *Re: [AFMUG] Radiomobile raster to polygon/shapefile
>
> I was hoping there would be a quick and free app to convert it. Would be
> very cool if Radiomobile would include that feature.
>
> On Thu, Aug 17, 2017 at 4:26 PM, Mike Hammett  wrote:
>
>> I've done it a few times, but I forget nearly every time I time how I did
>> it, so I Google again each time.
>>
>>
>>
>> -
>> Mike Hammett
>> Intelligent Computing Solutions 
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> Midwest Internet Exchange 
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> The Brothers WISP 
>> 
>>
>>
>> 
>> --
>> *From: *"Eric Muehleisen" 
>> *To: *af@afmug.com
>> *Sent: *Thursday, August 17, 2017 8:41:02 AM
>> *Subject: *[AFMUG] Radiomobile raster to polygon/shapefile
>>
>> Does anyone have a quick method of converting the coverage raster image
>> to a vector/polygon/shapefile? Raster images work fine, but I thought
>> polygon would be better long term to keep file size low and manageable.
>>
>>
>
>

Re: [AFMUG] OT RM

[Brian Webster]

Make sure you have the path set correctly in two places; one is under your
internet options under SRTM. There is where you set the path to store the
files and the server to download from the internet.

 

The second place you have to make sure you have set properly is when you are
drawing the map. When the dialog window comes up to draw the map and you set
the map size and vertical scale, you have the option of selecting the path
for your SRTM or BIL terrain data files. This needs to match the location
you have set under the options-internet-srtm program settings.

 

Thank You,

Brian Webster

  www.wirelessmapping.com

www.Broadband-Mapping.com

 

From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of ch...@wbmfg.com
Sent: Thursday, August 17, 2017 6:22 PM
To: af@afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT RM

 

The files are actually on my drive.

C:\RM\Geodata\srtm1

 

And I locked it down to local files only, it persists on looking in the root
directory of C:

 

It will not follow the path.  

 

From: ch...@wbmfg.com 

Sent: Thursday, August 17, 2017 4:16 PM

To: af@afmug.com 

Subject: [AFMUG] OT RM

 

I have had this problem before.  One copy of RM on one computer does not
seem to be able to find SRTM.  

 

When looking for files it looks for them in the root of C drive and
apparently nowhere else.  

This copy used to work just fine.  I have not changed anything.  

 

Have some of the internet sources of this data changed?  

I was just using it on a different computer earlier in the day.

It has to be a config problem.  

Re: [AFMUG] Figuring out what our FCC application says

[Jaime Solorza]

There is cooperation between FCC and SCT on licensed stuff like 2 way,
cellular and licensed but Rio Grande not effective at blocking signals...in
the 90s , the Chihuahua Cattle rancher association 800MHz system started
interfering with local police..last about a week.  Stranger things have to
happen..more later.

Jaime Solorza

On Aug 17, 2017 10:52 PM, "Steve Jones"  wrote:

> Completely off the mimosa topic.
> I'm in middle America, home of the permit, I have to have a permission
> slip to even have a gun. So my 11ghz license is pretty protected. Down on
> the southern border, I assume you still have to get FCC approval, but is
> there anything other than TOW missile to rectify interference from the
> south if you put up a licensed link??
>
> On Thu, Aug 17, 2017 at 10:29 PM, Jaime Solorza  > wrote:
>
>> I am not calling Mimosa B11 equipment junk by any means.  It fits a
>> need...it's an affordable solution which offers protection from
>> interference with license and legal recourse...big plus...in my other life,
>> I was sent prototype radios to test in this area which is noisy due to
>> proximity to Mexican border (2 million folks) of Cd. Juarez, Fort Bliss ,
>> Biggs, and utilities compounded by noise from 7 WISPs.  Some  of the up
>> converted radios heard other radios in 2.4GHz and it affected converted
>> signal like 902-928Mhz.  Spectrum Analyzer showed it clearly...some of
>> these became viable products with internal shielding, others did not.  I
>> appreciate Mimosa ,Cambium, Ignite and Ubiquiti efforts and innovation.
>> Hell , 512k ptp radios were the cat's pajamas when I started in this
>> discipline...
>>
>> Jaime Solorza
>>
>> On Aug 17, 2017 8:16 PM, "Chuck McCown"  wrote:
>>
>> “I’m with Steve”  Hmmm, do I have enough courage to hang with Steve???
>> Hangover part 4?
>>
>> *From:* Brett A Mansfield
>> *Sent:* Thursday, August 17, 2017 7:33 PM
>> *To:* af@afmug.com
>> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Figuring out what our FCC application says
>>
>> I'm with Steve. I just bought a couple B11s and they are going on a tower
>> that has so much 5GHz that is very loud. If 5GHz interferes with it then
>> I'm screwed.
>>
>> Thank you,
>> Brett A Mansfield
>>
>> On Aug 17, 2017, at 7:27 PM, Steve Jones 
>> wrote:
>>
>> So, there is potential for interference from 5g? If this is a garbage
>> chip like that i dont want this gear. I wasnt behind the purchase, i want
>> saf, i like saf, saf support is awesome, everyone in the saf sales channel
>> has been awesome, even the saf guy who doesnt work for them.
>>
>> I got into junk gear im going to regret, didnt i?
>>
>> On Aug 17, 2017 7:23 PM, "Jaime Solorza" 
>> wrote:
>>
>>> Ha..not same animal...B11 uses same chip sets as 5GHz radios I am told
>>> and up converted.  It offers user a lower cost option.  You pay what you
>>> get for..
>>>
>>> Jaime Solorza
>>>
>>> On Aug 17, 2017 10:14 AM, "Bill Prince"  wrote:
>>>
 I could give a crap about a snazzy GUI, and would much rather have a
 device that could run full modulation and full duplex. Prior to
 "experiencing" a B11, I'd never used a license radio that could not
 modulate at the full modulation.

 bp
 


 On 8/17/2017 9:08 AM, Rory Conaway wrote:

 Steve, the interface is far more functional and simpler than most of
 the other licensed links.  I can’t even get real-time bandwidth numbers out
 of them in the GUI’s which is kind of pathetic.   The B11 and the Cloud are
 far more useful.



 Rory



 *From:* Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] *On Behalf Of *Steve Jones
 *Sent:* Thursday, August 17, 2017 8:53 AM
 *To:* af@afmug.com
 *Subject:* [AFMUG] Figuring out what our FCC application says



 So we have completed the PCN on a couple mimosa B11 links (so very,
 very unimpressed with these radios interface and function) We went through
 comsearch. Trying to configure this, Im not sure what channel settings to
 put in. I went to the application, I see the centers, but no size. Is there
 a code on here that tells me what channel size we are applying for?



 And I notice the Application says the radio does not have ATPC, I
 thought these did, maybe im wrong



>>
>

Re: [AFMUG] Who did what?

[Jay Weekley]

True.  They can sabotage a lot of stuff like changing passwords, 
stealing etc.


Paul Stewart wrote:

This is why you never give employees advance notice that their job is ending - 
too many grey areas in my opinion.

Prepare their exit package, meet with them first thing when they arrive at work 
that day, give them the package and explain things briefly, then walk them out 
the door.  It’s the simplest way to do it and best for the staff member and 
yourself.  Don’t let emotions and questions run into letting someone go - that 
never works out for anyone ….

Paul



On Aug 18, 2017, at 1:45 AM, Matt Hoppes  
wrote:

I'm curious on opinions on a scenario...

Now, the way this plays out is somewhat like the AT call center from a few 
weeks ago, but ignore that...

If an employee is told their last day is today, please complete the tasks 
assigned to you and then go on your way.

BUT... the employee refuses to complete any of the jobs assigned to them and instead 
immediately walks off the job telling you "find someone else to do those tasks, I 
need to go look for work".

Did the employee get fired... or quit their job?


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Re: [AFMUG] Radiomobile raster to polygon/shapefile

[Mike Hammett]

https://gis.stackexchange.com/questions/134627/converting-raster-presented-in-kml-to-polygon-using-arcgis-desktop
 

Last time it wasn't quite the same, but I'm not sure what I did differently. 

There used to be a web site that did it, but I started looking into how to do 
it on my own in case that site disappeared. Now it may have. 



- 
Mike Hammett 
Intelligent Computing Solutions 

Midwest Internet Exchange 

The Brothers WISP 




- Original Message -

From: "Eric Muehleisen"  
To: af@afmug.com 
Sent: Thursday, August 17, 2017 4:33:35 PM 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Radiomobile raster to polygon/shapefile 


I was hoping there would be a quick and free app to convert it. Would be very 
cool if Radiomobile would include that feature. 


On Thu, Aug 17, 2017 at 4:26 PM, Mike Hammett < af...@ics-il.net > wrote: 




I've done it a few times, but I forget nearly every time I time how I did it, 
so I Google again each time. 




- 
Mike Hammett 
Intelligent Computing Solutions 

Midwest Internet Exchange 

The Brothers WISP 






From: "Eric Muehleisen" < ericm...@gmail.com > 
To: af@afmug.com 
Sent: Thursday, August 17, 2017 8:41:02 AM 
Subject: [AFMUG] Radiomobile raster to polygon/shapefile 


Does anyone have a quick method of converting the coverage raster image to a 
vector/polygon/shapefile? Raster images work fine, but I thought polygon would 
be better long term to keep file size low and manageable. 

Re: [AFMUG] Who did what?

[Paul Stewart]

This is why you never give employees advance notice that their job is ending - 
too many grey areas in my opinion.

Prepare their exit package, meet with them first thing when they arrive at work 
that day, give them the package and explain things briefly, then walk them out 
the door.  It’s the simplest way to do it and best for the staff member and 
yourself.  Don’t let emotions and questions run into letting someone go - that 
never works out for anyone …. 

Paul


> On Aug 18, 2017, at 1:45 AM, Matt Hoppes  
> wrote:
> 
> I'm curious on opinions on a scenario...
> 
> Now, the way this plays out is somewhat like the AT call center from a few 
> weeks ago, but ignore that...
> 
> If an employee is told their last day is today, please complete the tasks 
> assigned to you and then go on your way.
> 
> BUT... the employee refuses to complete any of the jobs assigned to them and 
> instead immediately walks off the job telling you "find someone else to do 
> those tasks, I need to go look for work".
> 
> Did the employee get fired... or quit their job?

Re: [AFMUG] OT RM

[Mike Hammett]

SRTM would do that on a Long Lines site. I think there are corrected and 
uncorrected versions. 



- 
Mike Hammett 
Intelligent Computing Solutions 

Midwest Internet Exchange 

The Brothers WISP 




- Original Message -

From: "George Skorup"  
To: af@afmug.com 
Sent: Thursday, August 17, 2017 5:47:18 PM 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT RM 

Apparently there's a RM installer package now. It defaults to C:\Radio Mobile. 
All of the default paths also point there. When you extract a new map, notice 
the SRTM path there as well. That's the problem I had the other day. Options > 
Internet had the correct path to SRTM, but the map extraction box did not. 

I usually use LinkPlanner for quick PTP analysis. The only issue I've ran into 
with LP is the elevation data. Plotted a couple links last night. Wow, that 
tower really is on some high ground! Oh wait WTF, that's the tower itself. So 
then you have to adjust the elevations around the tower manually to make it 
sane. I don't get this in RM or a path elevation profile in Google Earth. I 
don't know what elevation data Cambium is using, but it's highly annoying. 


On 8/17/2017 5:16 PM, ch...@wbmfg.com wrote: 





I have had this problem before.� One copy of RM on one computer does not seem 
to be able to find SRTM.� 
� 
When looking for files it looks for them in the root of C drive and apparently 
nowhere else.� 
This copy used to work just fine.� I have not changed anything.� 
� 
Have some of the internet sources of this data changed?� 
I was just using it on a different computer earlier in the day. 
It has to be a config problem.� 

Re: [AFMUG] Who did what?

[Steve D]

I'd say that's a shitty expectation to place upon an employee.  They're
fired.  End of story.

It's shitty for morale for everyone around that person if they stick it
out.  Serious downer.  I watched a single father sitting and crying at his
job for half the shift after getting his slip (he had started a week after
me - was just a summer job at a sawmill for me, but everything for him).
When that shitty ass company laid me off the next week, fortunately the ass
doing the first round of firing also got fired and his replacement waited
for the end of the shift to let us go.

I can't imagine why an employer would care.  You want him gone, he's gone.
Probably less hassle.

-Steve D

On Thu, Aug 17, 2017 at 10:45 PM, Matt Hoppes <
mattli...@rivervalleyinternet.net> wrote:

> I'm curious on opinions on a scenario...
>
> Now, the way this plays out is somewhat like the AT call center from a
> few weeks ago, but ignore that...
>
> If an employee is told their last day is today, please complete the tasks
> assigned to you and then go on your way.
>
> BUT... the employee refuses to complete any of the jobs assigned to them
> and instead immediately walks off the job telling you "find someone else to
> do those tasks, I need to go look for work".
>
> Did the employee get fired... or quit their job?
>