[AFMUG] 450M - Medusa groupings?

[Gino A. Villarini]

On the statistics, you can see the mummy groupings, so this means my users are 
mostly in 2,3,4 elements of the MUMIMO sector? Is there a way to physically 
know were most users are located within the sector?

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Gino A. Villarini


President
Metro Office Park #18 Suite 304 Guaynabo, Puerto Rico 00968

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Re: [AFMUG] [ External ] Re: Cambium Networks MicroPOP survey

[Gino A. Villarini]

Make that a single radio with a “beeamforming” Omni, radio selects what beam 
subs are in…

From: Af mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com>> on behalf of Matt 
Mangriotis 
mailto:matt.mangrio...@cambiumnetworks.com>>
Reply-To: "af@afmug.com<mailto:af@afmug.com>" 
mailto:af@afmug.com>>
Date: Friday, June 8, 2018 at 2:17 PM
To: "af@afmug.com<mailto:af@afmug.com>" mailto:af@afmug.com>>
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] [ External ] Re: Cambium Networks MicroPOP survey

I certainly hoped you filled in the survey!  This is good stuff.

Thanks,
Matt

From: Af mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com>> On Behalf Of Carl 
Peterson
Sent: Friday, June 8, 2018 11:43 AM
To: af@afmug.com<mailto:af@afmug.com>
Subject: [ External ] Re: [AFMUG] Cambium Networks MicroPOP survey

Because you have a few thousand 450 subs and don't wan't to have to stock your 
vans with something new.
Because you want to unload some of your sectors without re-installing 
customers, just a repoint.  Being able to move 20-30 subs off a sector to a 
micropop is huge.
Because you want consistency for your back office and support staff.
Because you need to pay a lineman to put it up on a pole above the Electrical 
space and don't want to touch it for 5-8 years. (I have no idea what ePMP 
reliability looks like but have had plenty FSK etc gear up for 10+ years)

For me, the perfect 450 micropop would be an omni 450M with Direct DC input, an 
SFP, a copper port, and an integrated GPS receiver.  1A 48V POE out would be 
nice too.  Something in the 1-1.5K price range to support 20-30 subs with a 
form factor like the A5-19.  I could power it and a Siklu with a two 48V runs 
up the pole, or just it with fiber and DC up the pole.





Gino A. Villarini


President
Metro Office Park #18 Suite 304 Guaynabo, Puerto Rico 00968

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On Thu, Jun 7, 2018 at 10:47 PM, George Skorup 
mailto:george.sko...@cbcast.com>> wrote:
Ok, I guess I have to be the one to say this. Why would we want a 450-based 
micro-POP product when we have ePMP? Just askin'.
On 6/7/2018 10:29 AM, Matt Mangriotis wrote:
I would really like to get your opinions on this topicï¿1Ž2 would a 450 device 
like this help you in your network?
ï¿1Ž2
Nowï¿1Ž2s you chance to comment and help direct us!
ï¿1Ž2
Please fill out the short survey and add any other info youï¿1Ž2d like.ï¿1Ž2 
Itï¿1Ž2s only 16 questions.
ï¿1Ž2
Matt
ï¿1Ž2
From: Af <mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com> On Behalf Of Ray 
Savich
Sent: Thursday, June 7, 2018 10:08 AM
To: 'af@afmug.com<mailto:af@afmug.com>' <mailto:af@afmug.com>
Subject [AFMUG] Cambium Networks MicroPOP survey
ï¿1Ž2
Add your input to the Cambium Networks MicroPOP survey.
https://www.surveymonkey.com/r/CambiumMicroPOP<https://na01.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.surveymonkey.com%2Fr%2FCambiumMicroPOP=02%7C01%7Cmatt.mangriotis%40cambiumnetworks.com%7C6ac0c68b97df41f5dced08d5cc887554%7C0e263e36340946228ac818d993e76eb6%7C0%7C0%7C636639808818666972=7aHYkUIK8iAtm5Ts1YCE%2FLLJ%2FzECLwvbZNKJiyGadBM%3D=0>
ï¿1Ž2
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Join the Conversation
Cambium Networks Community 
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PORT NETWORKS

401 E Pratt St, Ste 2553

Baltimore, MD 21202

(410) 637-3707

Re: [AFMUG] OSPF - How large can a flat network grow?

[Gino A. Villarini]

Our network by all means is flat as all services converge into our core.  We 
started by using vlans and qinq but later migrated to mpls/vpls.

Now watching evpn as the next step..

From: Af mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com>> on behalf of Lewis 
Bergman mailto:lewis.berg...@gmail.com>>
Reply-To: "af@afmug.com<mailto:af@afmug.com>" 
mailto:af@afmug.com>>
Date: Thursday, June 7, 2018 at 3:09 PM
To: "af@afmug.com<mailto:af@afmug.com>" mailto:af@afmug.com>>
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OSPF - How large can a flat network grow?

Gino would probably be your best source for advice as I'll bet he has one of 
the largest networks of similar construction. I think he went MPLS to deal with 
a variety of issues he was having, including OSPF. But maybe Gino can speak up 
on the issue.
Typically, if you didn't want to do anything else, you would consider iBGP and 
break the OSPF domains up in some logical way. The big determining factor for 
me for such things is the occurrence route flapping and how often it happens. 
Route flapping will be the big indicator that you are to big and OSPF can't 
keep up. You can do some tweaking but at some point it just all falls apart. 
The bad part about waiting till that happens is you will loose a lot of 
customers trying to make things stable again.
I would think Denis also would have a much better informed path to take and 
I'll bet he would be happy to contract to help you. Probably money well spent.




Gino A. Villarini


President
Metro Office Park #18 Suite 304 Guaynabo, Puerto Rico 00968

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On Thu, Jun 7, 2018 at 1:40 PM Brough Turner 
mailto:bro...@netblazr.com>> wrote:
We're an urban WISP with a dense mesh of wireless links and a router per 
building. I am concerned that, without paying attention, we have grown to 600+ 
routers and ~2550 routes in one OSPF domain. This network has a diverse mix of 
routers from CCR1036s down to RB750UPs. We're not having any OSPF problems at 
this time and I have plenty of other things to worry about, but I'd hate to hit 
some limit and have the whole thing blow up.

Does anyone have experience (positive or negative) with large flat OSPF 
networks?
And, if you have had problems, what were the problems?

Thanks,
Brough

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Re: [AFMUG] Mimosa B24 real world thoughts?

[Gino A. Villarini]

We have several links installed, so far so good… not really a af24 replacement, 
but… works for the application

From: Af mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com>> on behalf of Sam 
Lambie mailto:samtaos...@gmail.com>>
Reply-To: "af@afmug.com<mailto:af@afmug.com>" 
mailto:af@afmug.com>>
Date: Wednesday, May 30, 2018 at 2:29 PM
To: "af@afmug.com<mailto:af@afmug.com>" mailto:af@afmug.com>>
Subject: [AFMUG] Mimosa B24 real world thoughts?

Hey all,

Has anyone deployed these guys yet? If so, what do you think?
I am needing a smaller form factor like this for a particular site and these 
fit the bill nicely. And the 50% cost reduction over ubnt af24 is sweet too.

Thanks

--
--
Sam Lambie
Taosnet Wireless Tech.
575-758-7598 Office
www.Taosnet.com<http://www.newmex.com>



Gino A. Villarini


President
Metro Office Park #18 Suite 304 Guaynabo, Puerto Rico 00968

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Re: [AFMUG] [WISPA Members] SOHO router hack

[Gino A. Villarini]

Thanks Josh

AFMUG apparently is not…

From: mailto:members-boun...@wispa.org>> on behalf 
of Josh Luthman 
mailto:j...@imaginenetworksllc.com>>
Reply-To: "memb...@wispa.org<mailto:memb...@wispa.org>" 
mailto:memb...@wispa.org>>
Date: Monday, May 28, 2018 at 9:53 AM
To: "memb...@wispa.org<mailto:memb...@wispa.org>" 
mailto:memb...@wispa.org>>
Cc: WISPA General List mailto:wirel...@wispa.org>>, 
"af@afmug.com<mailto:af@afmug.com>" mailto:af@afmug.com>>
Subject: Re: [WISPA Members] SOHO router hack

Working Gino


Josh Luthman
Office: 937-552-2340
Direct: 937-552-2343
1100 Wayne St
Suite 1337
Troy, OH 45373




Gino A. Villarini


President
Metro Office Park #18 Suite 304 Guaynabo, Puerto Rico 00968

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On Mon, May 28, 2018 at 9:47 AM, Gino A. Villarini 
mailto:g...@aeronetpr.com>> wrote:
Test

From: mailto:members-boun...@wispa.org>> on behalf 
of Sean Heskett mailto:af...@zirkel.us>>
Reply-To: "memb...@wispa.org<mailto:memb...@wispa.org>" 
mailto:memb...@wispa.org>>
Date: Friday, May 25, 2018 at 7:19 PM
To: WISPA General List mailto:wirel...@wispa.org>>, 
"af@afmug.com<mailto:af@afmug.com>" mailto:af@afmug.com>>, 
"memb...@wispa.org<mailto:memb...@wispa.org>" 
mailto:memb...@wispa.org>>
Subject: [WISPA Members] SOHO router hack

FBI recommends users at a minimum reboot their router to kill the malware.  
Factory default, upgrade firmware and change passwords etc. is the best fix.

https://arstechnica.com/information-technology/2018/05/fbi-tells-router-users-to-reboot-now-to-kill-malware-infecting-500k-devices/




Gino A. Villarini


President
Metro Office Park #18 Suite 304 Guaynabo, Puerto Rico 00968

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___
Members mailing list
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http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/members

Re: [AFMUG] [WISPA Members] SOHO router hack

[Gino A. Villarini]

Test

From: mailto:members-boun...@wispa.org>> on behalf 
of Sean Heskett mailto:af...@zirkel.us>>
Reply-To: "memb...@wispa.org<mailto:memb...@wispa.org>" 
mailto:memb...@wispa.org>>
Date: Friday, May 25, 2018 at 7:19 PM
To: WISPA General List mailto:wirel...@wispa.org>>, 
"af@afmug.com<mailto:af@afmug.com>" mailto:af@afmug.com>>, 
"memb...@wispa.org<mailto:memb...@wispa.org>" 
mailto:memb...@wispa.org>>
Subject: [WISPA Members] SOHO router hack

FBI recommends users at a minimum reboot their router to kill the malware.  
Factory default, upgrade firmware and change passwords etc. is the best fix.

https://arstechnica.com/information-technology/2018/05/fbi-tells-router-users-to-reboot-now-to-kill-malware-infecting-500k-devices/




Gino A. Villarini


President
Metro Office Park #18 Suite 304 Guaynabo, Puerto Rico 00968

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[AFMUG] Epmp vs 450 - DFS events

[Gino A. Villarini]

Anyone noticed that apparently the Epmp radios are less prone to DFS events? Im 
assuming most are false caused by RF interference, but I see way less events on 
Epmp than on 450… Will have to do a side by side study.



Gino A. Villarini


President
Metro Office Park #18 Suite 304 Guaynabo, Puerto Rico 00968

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Re: [AFMUG] AF11x

[Gino A. Villarini]

nop

From: Af <af-boun...@afmug.com<mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com>> on behalf of Chuck 
McCown <ch...@wbmfg.com<mailto:ch...@wbmfg.com>>
Reply-To: "af@afmug.com<mailto:af@afmug.com>" 
<af@afmug.com<mailto:af@afmug.com>>
Date: Wednesday, May 16, 2018 at 4:36 PM
To: "af@afmug.com<mailto:af@afmug.com>" <af@afmug.com<mailto:af@afmug.com>>
Subject: [AFMUG] AF11x

Any way to make the V run in different frequencies?



Gino A. Villarini


President
Metro Office Park #18 Suite 304 Guaynabo, Puerto Rico 00968

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Re: [AFMUG] Custom CNUT - snmp tools for mass changes?

[Gino A. Villarini]

Is not set :-(

From: Af <af-boun...@afmug.com<mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com>> on behalf of 
George Skorup <george.sko...@cbcast.com<mailto:george.sko...@cbcast.com>>
Reply-To: "af@afmug.com<mailto:af@afmug.com>" 
<af@afmug.com<mailto:af@afmug.com>>
Date: Tuesday, May 15, 2018 at 1:26 PM
To: "af@afmug.com<mailto:af@afmug.com>" <af@afmug.com<mailto:af@afmug.com>>
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Custom CNUT - snmp tools for mass changes?

If SNMP write is enabled, snmpset script?




Gino A. Villarini


President
Metro Office Park #18 Suite 304 Guaynabo, Puerto Rico 00968

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On 5/15/2018 12:15 PM, Gino A. Villarini wrote:
That the point, I want to mass update all Apps with the cN Maestro url and also 
need to ad ip dns

From: Af <af-boun...@afmug.com<mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com>> on behalf of 
George Skorup <george.sko...@cbcast.com<mailto:george.sko...@cbcast.com>>
Reply-To: "af@afmug.com<mailto:af@afmug.com>" 
<af@afmug.com<mailto:af@afmug.com>>
Date: Tuesday, May 15, 2018 at 1:06 PM
To: "af@afmug.com<mailto:af@afmug.com>" <af@afmug.com<mailto:af@afmug.com>>
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Custom CNUT - snmp tools for mass changes?

Y u no cnMaestro, bro?

Unless you're talking FSK, then.. yeah.


ï¿1Ž2

Gino A. Villarini


President
Metro Office Park #18 Suite 304 Guaynabo, Puerto Rico 00968

[cid:part7.F62E5FEE.1D693B29@cbcast.com]

On 5/15/2018 12:01 PM, Gino A. Villarini wrote:
Got any documentation on it?ï¿1Ž21ï¿1Ž22

From: Af <af-boun...@afmug.com<mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com>> on behalf of Chuck 
McCown <ch...@wbmfg.com<mailto:ch...@wbmfg.com>>
Reply-To: "af@afmug.com<mailto:af@afmug.com>" 
<af@afmug.com<mailto:af@afmug.com>>
Date: Tuesday, May 15, 2018 at 12:10 PM
To: "af@afmug.com<mailto:af@afmug.com>" <af@afmug.com<mailto:af@afmug.com>>
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Custom CNUT - snmp tools for mass changes?


ï¿1Ž21ï¿1Ž22

Gino A. Villarini


President
Metro Office Park #18 Suite 304 Guaynabo, Puerto Rico 00968

[cid:part7.187D5BFF.A71E5ADD@cbcast.com]

Many years ago, did it all the time.ï¿1Ž21ï¿1Ž22
ï¿1Ž21ï¿1Ž22
From: Gino A. Villarini
Sent: Tuesday, May 15, 2018 10:00 AM
To: af@afmug.com
Subject: [AFMUG] Custom CNUT - snmp tools for mass changes?
ï¿1Ž21ï¿1Ž22
Anyone has experience doing mass changes in CNUT?

ï¿1Ž21ï¿1Ž22

Gino A. Villarini


President
Metro Office Park #18 Suite 304 Guaynabo, Puerto Rico 00968

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Re: [AFMUG] Custom CNUT - snmp tools for mass changes?

[Gino A. Villarini]

That the point, I want to mass update all Apps with the cN Maestro url and also 
need to ad ip dns

From: Af <af-boun...@afmug.com<mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com>> on behalf of 
George Skorup <george.sko...@cbcast.com<mailto:george.sko...@cbcast.com>>
Reply-To: "af@afmug.com<mailto:af@afmug.com>" 
<af@afmug.com<mailto:af@afmug.com>>
Date: Tuesday, May 15, 2018 at 1:06 PM
To: "af@afmug.com<mailto:af@afmug.com>" <af@afmug.com<mailto:af@afmug.com>>
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Custom CNUT - snmp tools for mass changes?

Y u no cnMaestro, bro?

Unless you're talking FSK, then.. yeah.




Gino A. Villarini


President
Metro Office Park #18 Suite 304 Guaynabo, Puerto Rico 00968

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On 5/15/2018 12:01 PM, Gino A. Villarini wrote:
Got any documentation on it?ï¿1Ž2

From: Af <af-boun...@afmug.com<mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com>> on behalf of Chuck 
McCown <ch...@wbmfg.com<mailto:ch...@wbmfg.com>>
Reply-To: "af@afmug.com<mailto:af@afmug.com>" 
<af@afmug.com<mailto:af@afmug.com>>
Date: Tuesday, May 15, 2018 at 12:10 PM
To: "af@afmug.com<mailto:af@afmug.com>" <af@afmug.com<mailto:af@afmug.com>>
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Custom CNUT - snmp tools for mass changes?


ï¿1Ž2

Gino A. Villarini


President
Metro Office Park #18 Suite 304 Guaynabo, Puerto Rico 00968

[cid:part7.187D5BFF.A71E5ADD@cbcast.com]

Many years ago, did it all the time.ï¿1Ž2
ï¿1Ž2
From: Gino A. Villarini
Sent: Tuesday, May 15, 2018 10:00 AM
To: af@afmug.com
Subject: [AFMUG] Custom CNUT - snmp tools for mass changes?
ï¿1Ž2
Anyone has experience doing mass changes in CNUT?

ï¿1Ž2

Gino A. Villarini


President
Metro Office Park #18 Suite 304 Guaynabo, Puerto Rico 00968

[cid:CF6D357011994F0793EF46618DA29C6E@MTC.local]

Re: [AFMUG] Custom CNUT - snmp tools for mass changes?

[Gino A. Villarini]

Got any documentation on it?

From: Af <af-boun...@afmug.com<mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com>> on behalf of Chuck 
McCown <ch...@wbmfg.com<mailto:ch...@wbmfg.com>>
Reply-To: "af@afmug.com<mailto:af@afmug.com>" 
<af@afmug.com<mailto:af@afmug.com>>
Date: Tuesday, May 15, 2018 at 12:10 PM
To: "af@afmug.com<mailto:af@afmug.com>" <af@afmug.com<mailto:af@afmug.com>>
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Custom CNUT - snmp tools for mass changes?




Gino A. Villarini


President
Metro Office Park #18 Suite 304 Guaynabo, Puerto Rico 00968

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Many years ago, did it all the time.

From: Gino A. Villarini
Sent: Tuesday, May 15, 2018 10:00 AM
To: af@afmug.com
Subject: [AFMUG] Custom CNUT - snmp tools for mass changes?

Anyone has experience doing mass changes in CNUT?



Gino A. Villarini


President
Metro Office Park #18 Suite 304 Guaynabo, Puerto Rico 00968

[cid:CF6D357011994F0793EF46618DA29C6E@MTC.local]

[AFMUG] Custom CNUT - snmp tools for mass changes?

[Gino A. Villarini]

Anyone has experience doing mass changes in CNUT?



Gino A. Villarini


President
Metro Office Park #18 Suite 304 Guaynabo, Puerto Rico 00968

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Re: [AFMUG] KP Performance KPPA-900DPY14

[Gino A. Villarini]

Hey David! Glad to see you posting … Hope all is well!



From: Af <af-boun...@afmug.com<mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com>> on behalf of 
"david.sover...@mercury.net<mailto:david.sover...@mercury.net>" 
<david.sover...@mercury.net<mailto:david.sover...@mercury.net>>
Reply-To: "af@afmug.com<mailto:af@afmug.com>" 
<af@afmug.com<mailto:af@afmug.com>>
Date: Tuesday, May 15, 2018 at 11:23 AM
To: "af@afmug.com<mailto:af@afmug.com>" <af@afmug.com<mailto:af@afmug.com>>
Subject: [AFMUG] KP Performance KPPA-900DPY14

Hi All,

I’m looking for vendors that have these in stock.  My usual supplier drop ships 
from KP and KP is out of stock.

Vendors stocking these (or WISPs who have extra that they don’t want or need) 
are welcome to contact me off-list.

Thanks,

David Sovereen

Mercury Network Corporation
2719 Ashman Street, Midland, MI 48640
989.837.3790 x151 office | 888.866.4638 toll free |  989.837.3780 fax

Telephone  |  Internet  |  Security Alarm Monitoring

david.sover...@mercury.net<mailto:david.sover...@mercury.net>
www.mercury.net<http://www.mercury.net/>

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Gino A. Villarini


President
Metro Office Park #18 Suite 304 Guaynabo, Puerto Rico 00968

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Re: [AFMUG] Looking for Trango 11GHz ODU

[Gino A. Villarini]

Let me check

On 5/14/18, 3:16 PM, "Af on behalf of George Skorup" <af-boun...@afmug.com



Gino A. Villarini


President
Metro Office Park #18 Suite 304 Guaynabo, Puerto Rico 00968

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on behalf of george.sko...@cbcast.com> wrote:

>Anybody have a Trango ApexPlus-11 or even GigaPlus ODU that's sub-band 6
>Tx high? I opened a ticket with Trango a couple hours ago to see if we
>could get a refurb'd ODU, but they haven't responded yet. I've already
>asked locally, nobody has anything.

Re: [AFMUG] 48 vdc Inverteres for Data Room 6kw ?

[Gino A. Villarini]

Chuck, Would you recommend them? How solid are they? What is the wattage of the 
configuration on ebay? Do they charge the batteries?

From: Af <af-boun...@afmug.com<mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com>> on behalf of Chuck 
McCown <ch...@wbmfg.com<mailto:ch...@wbmfg.com>>
Reply-To: "af@afmug.com<mailto:af@afmug.com>" 
<af@afmug.com<mailto:af@afmug.com>>
Date: Tuesday, May 8, 2018 at 5:17 PM
To: "af@afmug.com<mailto:af@afmug.com>" <af@afmug.com<mailto:af@afmug.com>>
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] 48 vdc Inverteres for Data Room 6kw ?




Gino A. Villarini


President
Metro Office Park #18 Suite 304 Guaynabo, Puerto Rico 00968

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I have used a lot of these over the years:
https://www.ebay.com/itm/Exeltech-Mx-Series-N-1-Redundant-Expandable-Inverter-System-NSN-6130015361815/273164348175?hash=item3f99dd2b0f

From: Gino A. Villarini
Sent: Tuesday, May 08, 2018 1:58 PM
To: af@afmug.com
Subject: [AFMUG] 48 vdc Inverteres for Data Room 6kw ?

Looking for 48 vdc inverters for data room applications in the range of 6-8 kw

Can be a all in one system ( charger plus Inverter) , must be always online



Gino A. Villarini


President
Metro Office Park #18 Suite 304 Guaynabo, Puerto Rico 00968

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[AFMUG] 48 vdc Inverteres for Data Room 6kw ?

[Gino A. Villarini]

Looking for 48 vdc inverters for data room applications in the range of 6-8 kw

Can be a all in one system ( charger plus Inverter) , must be always online



Gino A. Villarini


President
Metro Office Park #18 Suite 304 Guaynabo, Puerto Rico 00968

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Re: [AFMUG] Feliz Cinco De Mayo, ya'all

[Gino A. Villarini]

Did you guys enjoyed the 6th of Ketchup?

From: Af <af-boun...@afmug.com<mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com>> on behalf of Jaime 
Solorza <losguyswirel...@gmail.com<mailto:losguyswirel...@gmail.com>>
Reply-To: "af@afmug.com<mailto:af@afmug.com>" 
<af@afmug.com<mailto:af@afmug.com>>
Date: Sunday, May 6, 2018 at 2:34 PM
To: "af@afmug.com<mailto:af@afmug.com>" <af@afmug.com<mailto:af@afmug.com>>
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Feliz Cinco De Mayo, ya'all

Yum.  Enchiladas Montadas

Jaime Solorza

On Sat, May 5, 2018, 7:57 PM Sean Heskett 
<af...@zirkel.us<mailto:af...@zirkel.us>> wrote:
Wait I thought it was sinkhole de mayo?!?!

https://youtu.be/XUh6Qmx0E5w

-Sean





Gino A. Villarini


President
Metro Office Park #18 Suite 304 Guaynabo, Puerto Rico 00968

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On Sat, May 5, 2018 at 7:42 PM Jaime Solorza 
<losguyswirel...@gmail.com<mailto:losguyswirel...@gmail.com>> wrote:
Enjoying a cold one!!!


Jaime Solorza

Re: [AFMUG] OT: One space versus two spaces (again)

[Gino A. Villarini]

Im a rebel,  I use 3 spaces after a dot!   2 spaces after a coma!   Lol!

From: Af <af-boun...@afmug.com<mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com>> on behalf of 
"li...@packetflux.com<mailto:li...@packetflux.com>" 
<li...@packetflux.com<mailto:li...@packetflux.com>>
Reply-To: "af@afmug.com<mailto:af@afmug.com>" 
<af@afmug.com<mailto:af@afmug.com>>
Date: Monday, May 7, 2018 at 8:04 AM
To: "af@afmug.com<mailto:af@afmug.com>" <af@afmug.com<mailto:af@afmug.com>>
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT: One space versus two spaces (again)

I like spaces.

But I want my tab key to add the correct amount of spaces for the indent.

Fortunately it seems that most editors I use to edit code have a setting to do 
just that.  The ones that don't are a pain in the rear since I'm not consistent 
in the use of tabs vs spaces since I expect my editor to do the right thing and 
treat the tab key as a 'insert a few spaces for me' key.

As far as single or double spaces... well, I'm a double spacing person when I 
type, even though I know that a single space is considered 'better' anymore due 
to modern typefaces inserting the correct amount of space with only a single 
space.   HTML also ignores double spaces by default, so most of the web runs on 
single spaces.




Gino A. Villarini


President
Metro Office Park #18 Suite 304 Guaynabo, Puerto Rico 00968

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On Sun, May 6, 2018 at 8:25 PM, Robert 
<i...@avantwireless.com<mailto:i...@avantwireless.com>> wrote:
Trivial stuff, the real meat is tabs versus spaces while programming...

On 5/6/18 7:21 PM, Chuck McCown wrote:
Double spacers of the world unite.  Everybody else can get the fu*k off our 
lawn.

-Original Message- From: 
ja...@remotelylocated.com<mailto:ja...@remotelylocated.com>
Sent: Sunday, May 06, 2018 8:19 PM
To: af@afmug.com<mailto:af@afmug.com>
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT: One space versus two spaces (again)

You can tell someone's age by one or two spaces.  For me that is what I was 
taught and bugs the hell out of me when I see single space.

Sent from my iPhone

On May 6, 2018, at 5:49 PM, Bill Prince 
<part15...@gmail.com<mailto:part15...@gmail.com>> wrote:


I remember there being a rather exuberant discussion a couple years ago about 
the advantages/disadvantages and goodness/badness of putting a single space 
after a sentence versus putting two spaces. The debate rages on, but this one 
study suggests that putting two spaces makes sentences easier to read.

https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/speaking-of-science/wp/2018/05/04/one-space-between-each-sentence-they-said-science-just-proved-them-wrong-2/?noredirect=on_term=.b61d35728d29



--

bp
<part15sbs{at}gmail{dot}com>





--
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Tel: 406-449-3345 | Address: 3577 Countryside Road, Helena, MT 59602
forre...@imach.com<mailto:forre...@imach.com> | 
http://www.packetflux.com<http://www.packetflux.com/>
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 [https://s3.amazonaws.com/images.wisestamp.com/icons/facebook.png] 
<http://facebook.com/packetflux>  
[https://s3.amazonaws.com/images.wisestamp.com/icons/twitter.png] 
<http://twitter.com/@packetflux>

[AFMUG] WISPs in tribal lands?

[Gino A. Villarini]

Got a question, does the FCC rule over Tribal Lands? Are there wisps serving 
this market?



Gino A. Villarini


President
Metro Office Park #18 Suite 304 Guaynabo, Puerto Rico 00968

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[AFMUG] My latest Blog post

[Gino A. Villarini]

NO POWER  = NO INTERNET?  Why your Business loses Internet connectivity 
during a power outage? 樂⚡️ My latest blog! #Internet#BusinessContinuity 
#DisasterRecoveryow.ly/7pIu30jHv2E<https://t.co/ipTfzteWpw>



Gino A. Villarini


President
Metro Office Park #18 Suite 304 Guaynabo, Puerto Rico 00968

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Re: [AFMUG] Trouble/Support Ticketing

[Gino A. Villarini]

Any screenshots ?

From: Af <af-boun...@afmug.com<mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com>> on behalf of 
"Layne com>" <la...@serverplus.com<mailto:la...@serverplus.com>>
Reply-To: "af@afmug.com<mailto:af@afmug.com>" 
<af@afmug.com<mailto:af@afmug.com>>
Date: Saturday, April 21, 2018 at 11:38 PM
To: "af@afmug.com<mailto:af@afmug.com>" <af@afmug.com<mailto:af@afmug.com>>
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Trouble/Support Ticketing

We don’t really market it, although we have been thinking we should.  It is our 
own product written inhouse and we think it is pretty cool 

Layne Sisk
ServerPlus
801.426.8283, ext 102<tel:801.426.8283%2C%20ext%20102>
[New logo xl]<http://www.serverplus.com/>
[http://i.imgur.com/VOz763A.png]
[http://i.imgur.com/xvQYYWa.png]<https://www.facebook.com/ServerPlus365/>
[http://i.imgur.com/ELG0AB1.png]<https://twitter.com/RealServerPlus>
[Utah 100]   [fast50-01] [Inc 5000]

From: Af <af-boun...@afmug.com<mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com>> On Behalf Of Gino 
A. Villarini
Sent: Saturday, April 21, 2018 5:24 PM
To: af@afmug.com<mailto:af@afmug.com>
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Trouble/Support Ticketing

Website?

From: Af <af-boun...@afmug.com<mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com>> on behalf of 
"Layne com>" <la...@serverplus.com<mailto:la...@serverplus.com>>
Reply-To: "af@afmug.com<mailto:af@afmug.com>" 
<af@afmug.com<mailto:af@afmug.com>>
Date: Friday, April 20, 2018 at 7:18 PM
To: "af@afmug.com<mailto:af@afmug.com>" <af@afmug.com<mailto:af@afmug.com>>
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Trouble/Support Ticketing

A couple of the features that I think make it appealing:


  1.  Decision Tree process
  2.  Built in tools like the Router emulators
  3.  The ability to have a customer text in a picture and have it attached to 
the ticket
  4.  Ability to assign to not only individuals but also to groups
  5.  The integration with Asterisk to have call recordings attached to tickets
  6.  Automatic assignment of escalations to the appropriate department based 
on the issue.

Powercode and Sonar’s are great, but IssueTracker just has things built very 
specifically for customer service.  PC and Sonar have been very helpful in 
building integrations so it is basically seamless between IssueTracker or 
either of those systems.

Layne Sisk
ServerPlus
801.426.8283, ext 102<tel:801.426.8283%2C%20ext%20102>
[New logo xl]<http://www.serverplus.com/>
[http://i.imgur.com/VOz763A.png]
[http://i.imgur.com/xvQYYWa.png]<https://www.facebook.com/ServerPlus365/>
[http://i.imgur.com/ELG0AB1.png]<https://twitter.com/RealServerPlus>
[Utah 100]   [fast50-01] [Inc 5000]

From: Af <af-boun...@afmug.com<mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com>> On Behalf Of Adam 
Moffett
Sent: Thursday, April 19, 2018 12:47 PM
To: af@afmug.com<mailto:af@afmug.com>
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Trouble/Support Ticketing

Layne,

If it's something you're able to discuss on list, can you summarize what 
advantages IssueTracker would give us over the built in ticketing in Powercode 
or Sonar?

Thanks,
Adam





Gino A. Villarini

President

Metro Office Park #18 Suite 304 Guaynabo, Puerto Rico 00968


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Gino A. Villarini


President
Metro Office Park #18 Suite 304 Guaynabo, Puerto Rico 00968

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-- Original Message --
From: "Layne Sisk" <la...@serverplus.com<mailto:la...@serverplus.com>>
To: "af@afmug.com<mailto:af@afmug.com>" <af@afmug.com<mailto:af@afmug.com>>
Sent: 4/19/2018 1:39:05 PM
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Trouble/Support Ticketing

Hit me up if you want some info on IssueTracker.  It is what we used internally 
and we do license it (or give it away free for the companies we support).  It 
has full integration with Zendesk, Powercode, Sonar, UBO, and has pretty good 
integration available with SalesForce and Sugar CRM.

Layne Sisk
ServerPlus
801.426.8283, ext 102<tel:801.426.8283%2C%20ext%20102>
[New logo xl]<http://www.serverplus.com/>
[http://i.imgur.com/VOz763A.png]
[http://i.imgur.com/xvQYYWa.png]<https://www.facebook.com/ServerPlus365/>
[http://i.imgur.com/ELG0AB1.png]<https://twitter.com/RealServerPlus>
[Utah 100]   [fast50-01] [Inc 5000]

From: Af <af-boun...@afmug.com<mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com>> On Behalf Of Tim 
Reichhart
Sent: Thursday, April 19, 2018 9:18 AM
To: af@afmug.com<mailto:af@afmug.com>
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Trouble/Support Ticketing

The company I used to work for had custom ticketing that would intergrate into 
powercode I believe it was all done with API so if any of these open source 
ticket software have API you should be able to put it into your billing sytstem 
if the system have API.

Tim

Re: [AFMUG] Trouble/Support Ticketing

[Gino A. Villarini]

Website?

From: Af <af-boun...@afmug.com<mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com>> on behalf of 
"Layne com>" <la...@serverplus.com<mailto:la...@serverplus.com>>
Reply-To: "af@afmug.com<mailto:af@afmug.com>" 
<af@afmug.com<mailto:af@afmug.com>>
Date: Friday, April 20, 2018 at 7:18 PM
To: "af@afmug.com<mailto:af@afmug.com>" <af@afmug.com<mailto:af@afmug.com>>
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Trouble/Support Ticketing

A couple of the features that I think make it appealing:


  1.  Decision Tree process
  2.  Built in tools like the Router emulators
  3.  The ability to have a customer text in a picture and have it attached to 
the ticket
  4.  Ability to assign to not only individuals but also to groups
  5.  The integration with Asterisk to have call recordings attached to tickets
  6.  Automatic assignment of escalations to the appropriate department based 
on the issue.

Powercode and Sonar’s are great, but IssueTracker just has things built very 
specifically for customer service.  PC and Sonar have been very helpful in 
building integrations so it is basically seamless between IssueTracker or 
either of those systems.

Layne Sisk
ServerPlus
801.426.8283, ext 102<tel:801.426.8283%2C%20ext%20102>
[New logo xl]<http://www.serverplus.com/>
[http://i.imgur.com/VOz763A.png]
[http://i.imgur.com/xvQYYWa.png]<https://www.facebook.com/ServerPlus365/>
[http://i.imgur.com/ELG0AB1.png]<https://twitter.com/RealServerPlus>
[Utah 100]   [fast50-01] [Inc 5000]

From: Af <af-boun...@afmug.com<mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com>> On Behalf Of Adam 
Moffett
Sent: Thursday, April 19, 2018 12:47 PM
To: af@afmug.com<mailto:af@afmug.com>
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Trouble/Support Ticketing

Layne,

If it's something you're able to discuss on list, can you summarize what 
advantages IssueTracker would give us over the built in ticketing in Powercode 
or Sonar?

Thanks,
Adam





Gino A. Villarini


President
Metro Office Park #18 Suite 304 Guaynabo, Puerto Rico 00968

[cid:aeronet-logo_310cfc3e-6691-4f69-bd49-b37b834b9238.png]

-- Original Message --
From: "Layne Sisk" <la...@serverplus.com<mailto:la...@serverplus.com>>
To: "af@afmug.com<mailto:af@afmug.com>" <af@afmug.com<mailto:af@afmug.com>>
Sent: 4/19/2018 1:39:05 PM
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Trouble/Support Ticketing

Hit me up if you want some info on IssueTracker.  It is what we used internally 
and we do license it (or give it away free for the companies we support).  It 
has full integration with Zendesk, Powercode, Sonar, UBO, and has pretty good 
integration available with SalesForce and Sugar CRM.

Layne Sisk
ServerPlus
801.426.8283, ext 102<tel:801.426.8283%2C%20ext%20102>
[New logo xl]<http://www.serverplus.com/>
[http://i.imgur.com/VOz763A.png]
[http://i.imgur.com/xvQYYWa.png]<https://www.facebook.com/ServerPlus365/>
[http://i.imgur.com/ELG0AB1.png]<https://twitter.com/RealServerPlus>
[Utah 100]   [fast50-01] [Inc 5000]

From: Af <af-boun...@afmug.com<mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com>> On Behalf Of Tim 
Reichhart
Sent: Thursday, April 19, 2018 9:18 AM
To: af@afmug.com<mailto:af@afmug.com>
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Trouble/Support Ticketing

The company I used to work for had custom ticketing that would intergrate into 
powercode I believe it was all done with API so if any of these open source 
ticket software have API you should be able to put it into your billing sytstem 
if the system have API.

Tim





-Original Message-
From: "Matt Hoppes" 
<mattli...@rivervalleyinternet.net<mailto:mattli...@rivervalleyinternet.net>>
To: af@afmug.com<mailto:af@afmug.com>
Date: 04/19/18 08:48
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Trouble/Support Ticketing
Well and they're in is the problem. There is no link between Zendesk and power 
code other than the customer name and email address. But not finding a perfect 
solution in a billing system this is the solution we have thus far. At least it 
aggregates all means of communication into one ticket system that we can use 
internally

On Apr 19, 2018, at 08:33, Gino A. Villarini 
<g...@aeronetpr.com<mailto:g...@aeronetpr.com>> wrote:
Nice, but how do you integrate it with the customer info you need to have on 
hand?

From: Af <af-boun...@afmug.com<mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com>> on behalf of Matt 
Hoppes 
<mattli...@rivervalleyinternet.net<mailto:mattli...@rivervalleyinternet.net>>
Reply-To: "af@afmug.com<mailto:af@afmug.com>" 
<af@afmug.com<mailto:af@afmug.com>>
Date: Thursday, April 19, 2018 at 8:20 AM
To: "af@afmug.com<mailto:af@afmug.com>" <af@afmug.com<mailto:af@afmug.com>>
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Trouble/Support Ticketing

Check out Zendesk it will integrate with many things. We have Ze

Re: [AFMUG] Trouble/Support Ticketing

[Gino A. Villarini]

We are currently moving from a “old CRM” to SONAR. In Sonar, I would have all 
the customer info but no multichannel CRM.  WE are looking into how to 
integrate SONAR API so we can manage other support channels like twitter, 
facebook etc.

From: Af <af-boun...@afmug.com<mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com>> on behalf of Matt 
Hoppes 
<mattli...@rivervalleyinternet.net<mailto:mattli...@rivervalleyinternet.net>>
Reply-To: "af@afmug.com<mailto:af@afmug.com>" 
<af@afmug.com<mailto:af@afmug.com>>
Date: Thursday, April 19, 2018 at 8:47 AM
To: "af@afmug.com<mailto:af@afmug.com>" <af@afmug.com<mailto:af@afmug.com>>
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Trouble/Support Ticketing

Well and they’re in is the problem. There is no link between Zendesk and power 
code other than the customer name and email address. But not finding a perfect 
solution in a billing system this is the solution we have thus far. At least it 
aggregates all means of communication into one ticket system that we can use 
internally




Gino A. Villarini


President
Metro Office Park #18 Suite 304 Guaynabo, Puerto Rico 00968

[cid:aeronet-logo_310cfc3e-6691-4f69-bd49-b37b834b9238.png]

On Apr 19, 2018, at 08:33, Gino A. Villarini 
<g...@aeronetpr.com<mailto:g...@aeronetpr.com>> wrote:

Nice, but how do you integrate it with the customer info you need to have on 
hand?

From: Af <af-boun...@afmug.com<mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com>> on behalf of Matt 
Hoppes 
<mattli...@rivervalleyinternet.net<mailto:mattli...@rivervalleyinternet.net>>
Reply-To: "af@afmug.com<mailto:af@afmug.com>" 
<af@afmug.com<mailto:af@afmug.com>>
Date: Thursday, April 19, 2018 at 8:20 AM
To: "af@afmug.com<mailto:af@afmug.com>" <af@afmug.com<mailto:af@afmug.com>>
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Trouble/Support Ticketing

Check out Zendesk it will integrate with many things. We have Zendesk 
integrated with our text messages and Facebook page.

The only thing in power code or call logs when someone calls in but there’s no 
reason you couldn’t create a new ticket in Zendesk and link it to the customers 
email address. You can create a new account in Zendesk for the customer if you 
need to, or if they’ve ever emailed in before they will already have an account.




Gino A. Villarini


President
Metro Office Park #18 Suite 304 Guaynabo, Puerto Rico 00968



On Apr 19, 2018, at 07:50, Darin Steffl 
<darin.ste...@mnwifi.com<mailto:darin.ste...@mnwifi.com>> wrote:

I'm afraid of having too many places for tickets so we're trying to decide on 
one place. I don't want email tickets in zendesk, phone call tickets in Azotel, 
texts in zipwhip, and Facebook messages on Facebook.

I'd really love an easy way (doesn't need to be free) to combine all our 
support methods into one spot so we don't lose or forget things.

On Thu, Apr 19, 2018, 12:14 PM Matt Hoppes 
<mattli...@rivervalleyinternet.net<mailto:mattli...@rivervalleyinternet.net>> 
wrote:
You can open a ticket in Zendesk.

Do you mean open a ticket the customer can refer to or for you to track?  I 
guess you could do either.

We sometimes open tickets in zendesk to email the customer. Really your 
billing/CRM system should be handling phone support tickets and linking them to 
the account.

On Apr 19, 2018, at 05:18, Darin Steffl 
<darin.ste...@mnwifi.com<mailto:darin.ste...@mnwifi.com>> wrote:

I am having trouble finding a ticket system that is also good for people who 
call in. Most seem like you need a customer to email in to create a ticket. It 
seems harder to manually enter a ticket for those who call us.

Am I overlooking something obvious on zendesk for this? I don't need it 
integrated into my phone system, just an easy way to create a ticket when 
someone calls in.

On Wed, Apr 18, 2018, 11:54 PM Forrest Christian (List Account) 
<li...@packetflux.com<mailto:li...@packetflux.com>> wrote:
What is everyone using for support tickets nowadays?  I've about had it with 
our system.

--
Forrest Christian CEO, PacketFlux Technologies, Inc.
Tel: 406-449-3345 | Address: 3577 Countryside Road, Helena, MT 59602
forre...@imach.com<mailto:forre...@imach.com> | 
http://www.packetflux.com<http://www.packetflux.com/>
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 [https://s3.amazonaws.com/images.wisestamp.com/icons/facebook.png] 
<http://facebook.com/packetflux>  
[https://s3.amazonaws.com/images.wisestamp.com/icons/twitter.png] 
<http://twitter.com/@packetflux>

Re: [AFMUG] Trouble/Support Ticketing

[Gino A. Villarini]

Nice, but how do you integrate it with the customer info you need to have on 
hand?

From: Af <af-boun...@afmug.com<mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com>> on behalf of Matt 
Hoppes 
<mattli...@rivervalleyinternet.net<mailto:mattli...@rivervalleyinternet.net>>
Reply-To: "af@afmug.com<mailto:af@afmug.com>" 
<af@afmug.com<mailto:af@afmug.com>>
Date: Thursday, April 19, 2018 at 8:20 AM
To: "af@afmug.com<mailto:af@afmug.com>" <af@afmug.com<mailto:af@afmug.com>>
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Trouble/Support Ticketing

Check out Zendesk it will integrate with many things. We have Zendesk 
integrated with our text messages and Facebook page.

The only thing in power code or call logs when someone calls in but there’s no 
reason you couldn’t create a new ticket in Zendesk and link it to the customers 
email address. You can create a new account in Zendesk for the customer if you 
need to, or if they’ve ever emailed in before they will already have an account.




Gino A. Villarini


President
Metro Office Park #18 Suite 304 Guaynabo, Puerto Rico 00968

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On Apr 19, 2018, at 07:50, Darin Steffl 
<darin.ste...@mnwifi.com<mailto:darin.ste...@mnwifi.com>> wrote:

I'm afraid of having too many places for tickets so we're trying to decide on 
one place. I don't want email tickets in zendesk, phone call tickets in Azotel, 
texts in zipwhip, and Facebook messages on Facebook.

I'd really love an easy way (doesn't need to be free) to combine all our 
support methods into one spot so we don't lose or forget things.

On Thu, Apr 19, 2018, 12:14 PM Matt Hoppes 
<mattli...@rivervalleyinternet.net<mailto:mattli...@rivervalleyinternet.net>> 
wrote:
You can open a ticket in Zendesk.

Do you mean open a ticket the customer can refer to or for you to track?  I 
guess you could do either.

We sometimes open tickets in zendesk to email the customer. Really your 
billing/CRM system should be handling phone support tickets and linking them to 
the account.

On Apr 19, 2018, at 05:18, Darin Steffl 
<darin.ste...@mnwifi.com<mailto:darin.ste...@mnwifi.com>> wrote:

I am having trouble finding a ticket system that is also good for people who 
call in. Most seem like you need a customer to email in to create a ticket. It 
seems harder to manually enter a ticket for those who call us.

Am I overlooking something obvious on zendesk for this? I don't need it 
integrated into my phone system, just an easy way to create a ticket when 
someone calls in.

On Wed, Apr 18, 2018, 11:54 PM Forrest Christian (List Account) 
<li...@packetflux.com<mailto:li...@packetflux.com>> wrote:
What is everyone using for support tickets nowadays?  I've about had it with 
our system.

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Re: [AFMUG] OT Fry sauce

[Gino A. Villarini]

Know in Puerto Rico as Mayo-Ketchup for more than 20 years! On Tostones!!!

From: Af <af-boun...@afmug.com<mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com>> on behalf of Chuck 
McCown <ch...@wbmfg.com<mailto:ch...@wbmfg.com>>
Reply-To: "af@afmug.com<mailto:af@afmug.com>" 
<af@afmug.com<mailto:af@afmug.com>>
Date: Friday, April 13, 2018 at 11:05 AM
To: "af@afmug.com<mailto:af@afmug.com>" <af@afmug.com<mailto:af@afmug.com>>
Subject: [AFMUG] OT Fry sauce

>From the Salt Lake Tribune this morning:


On Wednesday, Heinz asked American condiment lovers to decide— through a 
Twitter poll — if it should start selling Mayochup, a premade blend of 
mayonnaise and ketchup, in the United States. (According to the Evening 
Standard, a British newspaper, it’s been sold in Persian Gulf countries, like 
Dubai, for a couple of years.) The Twitter feed for Heinz 
Ketchup(@HeinzKetchup_US) posted this poll Wednesday: “Want #mayochup in 
stores? 500,000 votes for “yes” and we’ll release it to you saucy Americans.”

Less than 24 hours after the poll was posted, more than 470,000 people had 
voted— with 55 percent approving of the product and 45 percent saying “Nah, 
I’ll make my own.”

As anyone with a connection to Utah and its signature foods knows, the founder 
of Arctic Circle restaurants created this pink concoction in the 1950s as an 
alternative dipping sauce for french fries. Since then, almost every Utah 
restaurant has developed its own version using ketchup and mayonnaise— and 
sometimes pickle relish and spices.

While huge in Utah, fry sauce remains mostly a mystery outside the state.



Gino A. Villarini


President
Metro Office Park #18 Suite 304 Guaynabo, Puerto Rico 00968

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Re: [AFMUG] Did I ruin summer animal farm?

[Gino A. Villarini]

If there is snow for skiing, im in!

On 4/13/18, 10:24 AM, "Af on behalf of Chuck McCown" <af-boun...@afmug.com



Gino A. Villarini


President
Metro Office Park #18 Suite 304 Guaynabo, Puerto Rico 00968

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on behalf of ch...@wbmfg.com> wrote:

>Yeah, let's revisit the idea mid summer for a fall event.
>
>-Original Message-
>From: Robert
>Sent: Friday, April 13, 2018 7:38 AM
>To: af@afmug.com
>Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Did I ruin summer animal farm?
>
>Winter in Utah would seem to preclude the outdoor demonstrations...
>
>On 4/13/18 6:26 AM, Jon Langeler wrote:
>> Even this fall could be much better...
>>
>> Jon Langeler
>> Michwave Technologies, Inc.
>>
>>
>> On Apr 13, 2018, at 9:21 AM, can...@believewireless.net
>> <mailto:can...@believewireless.net> <p...@believewireless.net
>> <mailto:p...@believewireless.net>> wrote:
>>
>>> I was lazy about it too but mostly because summer is our busy season.
>>>
>>> On Fri, Apr 13, 2018 at 9:06 AM, Chuck McCown <ch...@wbmfg.com
>>> <mailto:ch...@wbmfg.com>> wrote:
>>>
>>> No, just too low a turnout (single digit) to attract sponsors.
>>> Might give it a go later in the year,
>>>
>>> Sent from my iPhone
>>>
>>> > On Apr 12, 2018, at 11:18 PM, TJ Trout <t...@voltbb.com
>>> <mailto:t...@voltbb.com>> wrote:
>>> >
>>> > I just got my lazy ass around to registering and the event is
>>> canceled :( Did I miss the notice :) Oh wait I wasn't registered...
>>> >
>>> > I was really excited about AF back in Utah, small again, Feel
>>> like an idiot for procrastinating on the registration!
>>> >
>>> >
>>>
>>>

Re: [AFMUG] Austin

[Gino A. Villarini]

Nop, nothing on that  scale… more  like Webpass/Towerstream 2.0

From: Af <af-boun...@afmug.com<mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com>> on behalf of Josh 
Reynolds <j...@kyneticwifi.com<mailto:j...@kyneticwifi.com>>
Reply-To: "af@afmug.com<mailto:af@afmug.com>" 
<af@afmug.com<mailto:af@afmug.com>>
Date: Monday, April 2, 2018 at 8:39 PM
To: "af@afmug.com<mailto:af@afmug.com>" <af@afmug.com<mailto:af@afmug.com>>
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Austin

Oh, you too are going to launch $10Bn worth of low orbit satellites?

On Mon, Apr 2, 2018, 7:34 PM Gino A. Villarini 
<g...@aeronetpr.com<mailto:g...@aeronetpr.com>> wrote:
Not for the disruptive service Im planning…

From: Af <af-boun...@afmug.com<mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com>> on behalf of 
"tpa...@ecpi.com<mailto:tpa...@ecpi.com>" 
<tpa...@ecpi.com<mailto:tpa...@ecpi.com>>
Reply-To: "af@afmug.com<mailto:af@afmug.com>" 
<af@afmug.com<mailto:af@afmug.com>>
Date: Monday, April 2, 2018 at 4:58 PM
To: "af@afmug.com<mailto:af@afmug.com>" <af@afmug.com<mailto:af@afmug.com>>
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Austin

Lol why? You don’t think we have enough competition?

Tushar





Gino A. Villarini


President
Metro Office Park #18 Suite 304 Guaynabo, Puerto Rico 00968

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Gino A. Villarini


President
Metro Office Park #18 Suite 304 Guaynabo, Puerto Rico 00968

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On Apr 2, 2018, at 2:47 PM, Gino A. Villarini 
<g...@aeronetpr.com<mailto:g...@aeronetpr.com>> wrote:

I would love to serve Austin!

From: Af <af-boun...@afmug.com<mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com>> on behalf of 
"tpa...@ecpi.com<mailto:tpa...@ecpi.com>" 
<tpa...@ecpi.com<mailto:tpa...@ecpi.com>>
Reply-To: "af@afmug.com<mailto:af@afmug.com>" 
<af@afmug.com<mailto:af@afmug.com>>
Date: Monday, April 2, 2018 at 8:56 AM
To: "af@afmug.com<mailto:af@afmug.com>" <af@afmug.com<mailto:af@afmug.com>>
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Austin

It is out of our service area.
Sorry.

Tushar





Gino A. Villarini


President
Metro Office Park #18 Suite 304 Guaynabo, Puerto Rico 00968



On Mar 30, 2018, at 2:51 PM, Eric Markow 
<eric.mar...@gmail.com<mailto:eric.mar...@gmail.com>> wrote:

I called and unfortunately it's out of their service area.

I did find one company, GHz Wireless, but they never answer their phone or 
respond to emails, and seem to have poor reviews. Anyone know them?

On Fri, Mar 30, 2018 at 12:04 PM, Bill Prince 
<part15...@gmail.com<mailto:part15...@gmail.com>> wrote:

Western Broadband in Austin Texas. Curiously, Austin is not listed as a service 
city.

http://www.westernbroadband.com/contact.php

bp
<part15sbs{at}gmail{dot}com>



On 3/30/2018 11:59 AM, Eric Markow wrote:
Anyone have his contact info? You can email to 
eric.markow(at)gmail.com<http://gmail.com>

On Fri, Mar 30, 2018 at 11:31 AM, CBB - Jay Fuller 
<par...@cyberbroadband.net<mailto:par...@cyberbroadband.net>> wrote:

I was thinking Tushar...

- Original Message -
From: Jaime Solorza<mailto:losguyswirel...@gmail.com>
To: Animal Farm<mailto:af@afmug.com>
Sent: Friday, March 30, 2018 12:23 PM
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Austin

Tushar???

Jaime Solorza

On Fri, Mar 30, 2018, 11:21 AM Eric Markow 
<eric.mar...@gmail.com<mailto:eric.mar...@gmail.com>> wrote:
Does anyone here service south Austin?

Thanks,

Eric

Re: [AFMUG] Austin

[Gino A. Villarini]

Not for the disruptive service Im planning…

From: Af <af-boun...@afmug.com<mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com>> on behalf of 
"tpa...@ecpi.com<mailto:tpa...@ecpi.com>" 
<tpa...@ecpi.com<mailto:tpa...@ecpi.com>>
Reply-To: "af@afmug.com<mailto:af@afmug.com>" 
<af@afmug.com<mailto:af@afmug.com>>
Date: Monday, April 2, 2018 at 4:58 PM
To: "af@afmug.com<mailto:af@afmug.com>" <af@afmug.com<mailto:af@afmug.com>>
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Austin

Lol why? You don’t think we have enough competition?

Tushar





Gino A. Villarini


President
Metro Office Park #18 Suite 304 Guaynabo, Puerto Rico 00968

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On Apr 2, 2018, at 2:47 PM, Gino A. Villarini 
<g...@aeronetpr.com<mailto:g...@aeronetpr.com>> wrote:

I would love to serve Austin!

From: Af <af-boun...@afmug.com<mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com>> on behalf of 
"tpa...@ecpi.com<mailto:tpa...@ecpi.com>" 
<tpa...@ecpi.com<mailto:tpa...@ecpi.com>>
Reply-To: "af@afmug.com<mailto:af@afmug.com>" 
<af@afmug.com<mailto:af@afmug.com>>
Date: Monday, April 2, 2018 at 8:56 AM
To: "af@afmug.com<mailto:af@afmug.com>" <af@afmug.com<mailto:af@afmug.com>>
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Austin

It is out of our service area.
Sorry.

Tushar





Gino A. Villarini


President
Metro Office Park #18 Suite 304 Guaynabo, Puerto Rico 00968



On Mar 30, 2018, at 2:51 PM, Eric Markow 
<eric.mar...@gmail.com<mailto:eric.mar...@gmail.com>> wrote:

I called and unfortunately it's out of their service area.

I did find one company, GHz Wireless, but they never answer their phone or 
respond to emails, and seem to have poor reviews. Anyone know them?

On Fri, Mar 30, 2018 at 12:04 PM, Bill Prince 
<part15...@gmail.com<mailto:part15...@gmail.com>> wrote:

Western Broadband in Austin Texas. Curiously, Austin is not listed as a service 
city.

http://www.westernbroadband.com/contact.php

bp
<part15sbs{at}gmail{dot}com>



On 3/30/2018 11:59 AM, Eric Markow wrote:
Anyone have his contact info? You can email to 
eric.markow(at)gmail.com<http://gmail.com>

On Fri, Mar 30, 2018 at 11:31 AM, CBB - Jay Fuller 
<par...@cyberbroadband.net<mailto:par...@cyberbroadband.net>> wrote:

I was thinking Tushar...

- Original Message -
From: Jaime Solorza<mailto:losguyswirel...@gmail.com>
To: Animal Farm<mailto:af@afmug.com>
Sent: Friday, March 30, 2018 12:23 PM
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Austin

Tushar???

Jaime Solorza

On Fri, Mar 30, 2018, 11:21 AM Eric Markow 
<eric.mar...@gmail.com<mailto:eric.mar...@gmail.com>> wrote:
Does anyone here service south Austin?

Thanks,

Eric

Re: [AFMUG] Austin

[Gino A. Villarini]

I would love to serve Austin!

From: Af <af-boun...@afmug.com<mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com>> on behalf of 
"tpa...@ecpi.com<mailto:tpa...@ecpi.com>" 
<tpa...@ecpi.com<mailto:tpa...@ecpi.com>>
Reply-To: "af@afmug.com<mailto:af@afmug.com>" 
<af@afmug.com<mailto:af@afmug.com>>
Date: Monday, April 2, 2018 at 8:56 AM
To: "af@afmug.com<mailto:af@afmug.com>" <af@afmug.com<mailto:af@afmug.com>>
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Austin

It is out of our service area.
Sorry.

Tushar





Gino A. Villarini


President
Metro Office Park #18 Suite 304 Guaynabo, Puerto Rico 00968

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On Mar 30, 2018, at 2:51 PM, Eric Markow 
<eric.mar...@gmail.com<mailto:eric.mar...@gmail.com>> wrote:

I called and unfortunately it's out of their service area.

I did find one company, GHz Wireless, but they never answer their phone or 
respond to emails, and seem to have poor reviews. Anyone know them?

On Fri, Mar 30, 2018 at 12:04 PM, Bill Prince 
<part15...@gmail.com<mailto:part15...@gmail.com>> wrote:

Western Broadband in Austin Texas. Curiously, Austin is not listed as a service 
city.

http://www.westernbroadband.com/contact.php

bp
<part15sbs{at}gmail{dot}com>



On 3/30/2018 11:59 AM, Eric Markow wrote:
Anyone have his contact info? You can email to 
eric.markow(at)gmail.com<http://gmail.com>

On Fri, Mar 30, 2018 at 11:31 AM, CBB - Jay Fuller 
<par...@cyberbroadband.net<mailto:par...@cyberbroadband.net>> wrote:

I was thinking Tushar...

- Original Message -
From: Jaime Solorza<mailto:losguyswirel...@gmail.com>
To: Animal Farm<mailto:af@afmug.com>
Sent: Friday, March 30, 2018 12:23 PM
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Austin

Tushar???

Jaime Solorza

On Fri, Mar 30, 2018, 11:21 AM Eric Markow 
<eric.mar...@gmail.com<mailto:eric.mar...@gmail.com>> wrote:
Does anyone here service south Austin?

Thanks,

Eric

Re: [AFMUG] Cambium LTE

[Gino A. Villarini]

That is not the way LTE - BBU to Rru data path worksŠ they use fiber with
CPRI interface

https://www.commscope.com/Blog/CommScope-Definitions-What-Is-CPRI/


Its has been a standard for all LTE deployments




On 3/25/18, 5:48 PM, "Af on behalf of George Skorup" <af-boun...@afmug.com



Gino A. Villarini


President
Metro Office Park #18 Suite 304 Guaynabo, Puerto Rico 00968

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on behalf of george.sko...@cbcast.com> wrote:

>Not the actual RF channel frequencies up the coax. Intermediate
>frequency + power like a split IDU/ODU licensed PTP, which has been a
>reliable method for decades.
>
>On 3/25/2018 3:45 PM, Matt Hoppes wrote:
>> No. I sent that days ago.
>>
>> Ok. Why a split though?  Just to offload some of the cost to a one time
>>purchase?
>>
>> If that¹s the case I hope for a one or two ODU model as well.
>>
>> Also coax will not scale well on some of these frequencies. There¹s a
>>reason everything has gone to Tower mount - even in the cellular world.
>>
>> Do you know how much 100ft of low PIM cable will cost?  Plus the db
>>loss.
>>
>>> On Mar 25, 2018, at 07:47, Adam Moffett <dmmoff...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>
>>> Free Unicorn with every purchase.
>>>
>>> It's a split system.  Your EPC is built into the indoor end of the
>>>split system, and you run coax up to a radio head on the tower.  The
>>>indoor unit is supposed to have 8 ports.
>>>
>>> Other than that we know about design goals, but not specifics.  Their
>>>goal is to give you the benefits of LTE, but make it easier/more
>>>accessible.  Price was said to be in between Telrad and Baicells.
>>>
>>> I'm hoping they make a smaller IDU, because at lots of sites we'd pay
>>>for 8 ports and use 1 or 2 of them.
>>>
>>> Is list magically working now?
>>>
>>>
>>> -- Original Message --
>>> From: "Matt Hoppes" <mattli...@rivervalleyinternet.net>
>>> To: af@afmug.com
>>> Sent: 3/21/2018 3:36:39 PM
>>> Subject: [AFMUG] Cambium LTE
>>>
>>>> What¹s known about the Cambium LTE product so far?
>

Re: [AFMUG] More important things

[Gino A. Villarini]

Stormy Daniels… lol

From: Af <af-boun...@afmug.com<mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com>> on behalf of Chuck 
McCown <ch...@wbmfg.com<mailto:ch...@wbmfg.com>>
Reply-To: "af@afmug.com<mailto:af@afmug.com>" 
<af@afmug.com<mailto:af@afmug.com>>
Date: Sunday, March 25, 2018 at 6:08 PM
To: "af@afmug.com<mailto:af@afmug.com>" <af@afmug.com<mailto:af@afmug.com>>
Subject: [AFMUG] More important things

So tonight is big for TV.
Billions
Barry
Silicon Valley

Any others?
Of course Homeland.
And if like Homeland, you will probably also like The Looming Towers.

I read the book years ago.  Book was dry and academic.  The TV show is pretty 
good.



Gino A. Villarini


President
Metro Office Park #18 Suite 304 Guaynabo, Puerto Rico 00968

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Re: [AFMUG] Cambium LTE

[Gino A. Villarini]

AFAIK no coax... Fiber between bbu and rru

Gino A. Villarini
@gvillarini






Gino A. Villarini


President
Metro Office Park #18 Suite 304 Guaynabo, Puerto Rico 00968

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On Mar 25, 2018, at 8:53 AM, Steve Jones 
<thatoneguyst...@gmail.com<mailto:thatoneguyst...@gmail.com>> wrote:

the unicorn ate beans. Beans take a little while to make farts. But when a 
unicorn farts, the world is littered with glitter, so its worth the wait 
thats directly from their marketing material.

On Wed, Mar 21, 2018 at 2:36 PM, Matt Hoppes 
<mattli...@rivervalleyinternet.net<mailto:mattli...@rivervalleyinternet.net>> 
wrote:
What’s known about the Cambium LTE product so far?

Re: [AFMUG] Cambium LTE

[Gino A. Villarini]

2.5 ghz
Split RRU + BBU
2x2 RRU now, posible Medusa type later


On 3/21/18, 3:36 PM, "Af on behalf of Matt Hoppes" <af-boun...@afmug.com



Gino A. Villarini


President
Metro Office Park #18 Suite 304 Guaynabo, Puerto Rico 00968

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on behalf of mattli...@rivervalleyinternet.net> wrote:

>What¹s known about the Cambium LTE product so far?

Re: [AFMUG] -48 VDC supply needed

[Gino A. Villarini]

Is packet flux rack injector dc isolated ?

From: Af <af-boun...@afmug.com<mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com>> on behalf of 
"li...@packetflux.com<mailto:li...@packetflux.com>" 
<li...@packetflux.com<mailto:li...@packetflux.com>>
Reply-To: "af@afmug.com<mailto:af@afmug.com>" 
<af@afmug.com<mailto:af@afmug.com>>
Date: Wednesday, March 21, 2018 at 11:12 AM
To: "af@afmug.com<mailto:af@afmug.com>" <af@afmug.com<mailto:af@afmug.com>>
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] -48 VDC supply needed

There are 2A ones (actually 2.5A) on the PacketFlux Web site if you can stand a 
laptop style one.




Gino A. Villarini


President
Metro Office Park #18 Suite 304 Guaynabo, Puerto Rico 00968

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On Mar 18, 2018 2:02 AM, <ch...@wbmfg.com<mailto:ch...@wbmfg.com>> wrote:
Looking for universal input (AC 85-240 volts)
Isolated 48 VDC output.  1.5 amp continuous.
I can go din rail, prefer not to.  There is always meanwell.
Pricy...

Re: [AFMUG] Epmp 3000

[Gino A. Villarini]

A 4x4 AC mimo AP should be able to talk to 2 2x2N subs … at least in WIFI world…

From: Af <af-boun...@afmug.com<mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com>> on behalf of Josh 
Luthman <j...@imaginenetworksllc.com<mailto:j...@imaginenetworksllc.com>>
Reply-To: "af@afmug.com<mailto:af@afmug.com>" 
<af@afmug.com<mailto:af@afmug.com>>
Date: Thursday, March 8, 2018 at 5:49 PM
To: "af@afmug.com<mailto:af@afmug.com>" <af@afmug.com<mailto:af@afmug.com>>
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Epmp 3000

Double throughput is 4x4 which requires Force 300 CPE.

Force 300 CPE doesn't work on epmp1000/2000 ap =(


Josh Luthman
Office: 937-552-2340
Direct: 937-552-2343
1100 Wayne St
Suite 1337
Troy, OH 45373




Gino A. Villarini


President
Metro Office Park #18 Suite 304 Guaynabo, Puerto Rico 00968

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On Wed, Mar 7, 2018 at 11:08 AM, Steve Jones 
<thatoneguyst...@gmail.com<mailto:thatoneguyst...@gmail.com>> wrote:
" Roughly doubles available throughout on ap"
in the same channel size?
I can double the throughput right now by going from 20 to 40mhz

On Wed, Mar 7, 2018 at 9:11 AM, Joe Novak 
<jno...@lrcomm.com<mailto:jno...@lrcomm.com>> wrote:
Mu-mimo will not work with n based radios, but besides that they will work with 
the new AP is how I took it.

On Mar 7, 2018 9:04 AM, "CBB - Jay Fuller" 
<par...@cyberbroadband.net<mailto:par...@cyberbroadband.net>> wrote:
Coming soon

Roughly doubles available throughout on ap

If I heard right won't work with elevate

Ac based chipset

Haven't heard frequencies or available dates yet



Sent from my smartphone

Re: [AFMUG] It's on

[Gino A. Villarini]

What? No Wi-Gig / Wi-PON

From: Af <af-boun...@afmug.com<mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com>> on behalf of Chuck 
McCown <ch...@wbmfg.com<mailto:ch...@wbmfg.com>>
Reply-To: "af@afmug.com<mailto:af@afmug.com>" 
<af@afmug.com<mailto:af@afmug.com>>
Date: Thursday, March 8, 2018 at 2:29 PM
To: "af@afmug.com<mailto:af@afmug.com>" <af@afmug.com<mailto:af@afmug.com>>
Subject: [AFMUG] It's on

June 12 & 13 AnimalFarm

I even have vendors tracking me down here at WISPAmerica wanting to sponsor.

Going to start to put together the agenda.  Very short sessions like always.
Need the crowd to evolve this thing.

Day 1:
Fiber theory, channels, band plan
SFPs
Passive mux
CWDM DWDM

FTTH network topology
GPON
AE
Pros and cons

OSP Network Components
Costs and Features
Cable
Conduit
Handholes
Splice Cases
Splitters

Cabinets
Cross boxes
Electronics
Powering and cooling

Fiber
Splicing
Connectors
Engineering considerations
Costs

NOC
MT FTTH in a box solution

Day 2:  Hands On
HDD operations
Vacuum Excavators
Hole Hawg and other missiles
Underground location
Eating mass quantities of dead animals.






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President
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Re: [AFMUG] From AnimalFarm - Cambium LTE

[Gino A. Villarini]

Can anyone share the slides ?

On 3/7/18, 12:11 PM, "Af on behalf of Seth Mattinen" <af-boun...@afmug.com



Gino A. Villarini


President
Metro Office Park #18 Suite 304 Guaynabo, Puerto Rico 00968

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on behalf of se...@rollernet.us> wrote:

>On 3/7/18 7:08 AM, Joe Novak wrote:
>> Coming first in 2.5, original road map was some time this year. Not a
>> clear when for 3.65.
>
>
>I feel like that's going to be a wait and see if the cellular guys get
>their way and take over the band.

Re: [AFMUG] Epmp 3000

[Gino A. Villarini]

Its the mu-mimo, same speeds at customer. AP can talk to 2 Sms at the same time

From: Af <af-boun...@afmug.com<mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com>> on behalf of Steve 
Jones <thatoneguyst...@gmail.com<mailto:thatoneguyst...@gmail.com>>
Reply-To: "af@afmug.com<mailto:af@afmug.com>" 
<af@afmug.com<mailto:af@afmug.com>>
Date: Wednesday, March 7, 2018 at 12:08 PM
To: "af@afmug.com<mailto:af@afmug.com>" <af@afmug.com<mailto:af@afmug.com>>
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Epmp 3000

" Roughly doubles available throughout on ap"
in the same channel size?
I can double the throughput right now by going from 20 to 40mhz




Gino A. Villarini


President
Metro Office Park #18 Suite 304 Guaynabo, Puerto Rico 00968

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On Wed, Mar 7, 2018 at 9:11 AM, Joe Novak 
<jno...@lrcomm.com<mailto:jno...@lrcomm.com>> wrote:
Mu-mimo will not work with n based radios, but besides that they will work with 
the new AP is how I took it.

On Mar 7, 2018 9:04 AM, "CBB - Jay Fuller" 
<par...@cyberbroadband.net<mailto:par...@cyberbroadband.net>> wrote:
Coming soon

Roughly doubles available throughout on ap

If I heard right won't work with elevate

Ac based chipset

Haven't heard frequencies or available dates yet



Sent from my smartphone

Re: [AFMUG] Epmp 3000

[Gino A. Villarini]

Mu mimo AP should talk to 2 N customers at the same time

From: Af <af-boun...@afmug.com<mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com>> on behalf of Joe 
Novak <jno...@lrcomm.com<mailto:jno...@lrcomm.com>>
Reply-To: "af@afmug.com<mailto:af@afmug.com>" 
<af@afmug.com<mailto:af@afmug.com>>
Date: Wednesday, March 7, 2018 at 11:11 AM
To: "af@afmug.com<mailto:af@afmug.com>" <af@afmug.com<mailto:af@afmug.com>>
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Epmp 3000

Mu-mimo will not work with n based radios, but besides that they will work with 
the new AP is how I took it.




Gino A. Villarini


President
Metro Office Park #18 Suite 304 Guaynabo, Puerto Rico 00968

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On Mar 7, 2018 9:04 AM, "CBB - Jay Fuller" 
<par...@cyberbroadband.net<mailto:par...@cyberbroadband.net>> wrote:
Coming soon

Roughly doubles available throughout on ap

If I heard right won't work with elevate

Ac based chipset

Haven't heard frequencies or available dates yet



Sent from my smartphone

Re: [AFMUG] FCC Pai proposes $1B for PR / USVItelecomrebuild/expansion

[Gino A. Villarini]

Gorra

From: Af <af-boun...@afmug.com<mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com>> on behalf of Jaime 
Solorza <losguyswirel...@gmail.com<mailto:losguyswirel...@gmail.com>>
Reply-To: "af@afmug.com<mailto:af@afmug.com>" 
<af@afmug.com<mailto:af@afmug.com>>
Date: Tuesday, March 6, 2018 at 5:33 PM
To: "af@afmug.com<mailto:af@afmug.com>" <af@afmug.com<mailto:af@afmug.com>>
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] FCC Pai proposes $1B for PR / USVItelecomrebuild/expansion

Cachucha

Jaime Solorza

On Tue, Mar 6, 2018, 1:38 PM Carl Peterson 
<cpeter...@portnetworks.com<mailto:cpeter...@portnetworks.com>> wrote:
Yesterday, I was trying to remember how to say cap, as in a baseball cap, so I 
asked my three year old. who is in a Spanish immersion pre-school.  Without a 
second of hesitation, he says "hat-o"...




Gino A. Villarini


President
Metro Office Park #18 Suite 304 Guaynabo, Puerto Rico 00968

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On Tue, Mar 6, 2018 at 3:27 PM, Chuck McCown 
<ch...@wbmfg.com<mailto:ch...@wbmfg.com>> wrote:
If that doesn’t work just say it again louder.

From: Mathew Howard
Sent: Tuesday, March 06, 2018 1:22 PM
To: af
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] FCC Pai proposes $1B for PR / USVItelecomrebuild/expansion

I found that I could get by just fine in PR with pointing and grunting...

On Tue, Mar 6, 2018 at 2:18 PM, Jaime Solorza <losguyswirel...@gmail.com> wrote:
Ah..entonces hablas la verdad

Jaime Solorza

On Tue, Mar 6, 2018, 1:15 PM Chuck McCown <ch...@wbmfg.com> wrote:
Si, yo hablo--- como un nino pequeno.

From: Jaime Solorza
Sent: Tuesday, March 06, 2018 12:52 PM
To: Animal Farm
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] FCC Pai proposes $1B for PR / USVI telecomrebuild/expansion

Me too...and since Chuck speaks Spanish, no need from translator fees..

Jaime Solorza

On Tue, Mar 6, 2018, 12:35 PM Chuck McCown <ch...@wbmfg.com> wrote:
They should just give it all to you.
If they do, I can help  you spend it...

From: Gino A. Villarini
Sent: Tuesday, March 06, 2018 12:31 PM
To: af@afmug.com
Subject: [AFMUG] FCC Pai proposes $1B for PR / USVI telecom rebuild/expansion

Interesting

#PaiMoney

https://www.reuters.com/article/us-usa-hurricane-communications/fcc-wants-nearly-1-billion-to-revamp-puerto-rico-virgin-islands-communications-networks-idUSKCN1GI2EN?utm_campaign=trueAnthem:+Trending+Content_content=5a9ee78904d30133ffd0af8a_medium=trueAnthem_source=twitter



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President
Metro Office Park #18 Suite 304 Guaynabo, Puerto Rico 00968

[X]





--

Carl Peterson

PORT NETWORKS

401 E Pratt St, Ste 2553

Baltimore, MD 21202

(410) 637-3707

Re: [AFMUG] XRP

[Gino A. Villarini]

I hope they do..

From: Af <af-boun...@afmug.com<mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com>> on behalf of 
Travis Johnson <t...@ida.net<mailto:t...@ida.net>>
Reply-To: "af@afmug.com<mailto:af@afmug.com>" 
<af@afmug.com<mailto:af@afmug.com>>
Date: Tuesday, March 6, 2018 at 4:21 PM
To: "af@afmug.com<mailto:af@afmug.com>" <af@afmug.com<mailto:af@afmug.com>>
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] XRP

And that's the gamble. Either it tanks or it explodes... guess we will see. :)

Travis




Gino A. Villarini


President
Metro Office Park #18 Suite 304 Guaynabo, Puerto Rico 00968

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On 3/6/2018 12:29 PM, Gino A. Villarini wrote:
Rumor has it that they wont?

On 3/6/18, 2:33 PM, "Af on behalf of Travis Johnson" 
<af-boun...@afmug.com<mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com>

ï¿1Ž2

Gino A. Villarini


President
Metro Office Park #18 Suite 304 Guaynabo, Puerto Rico 00968

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on behalf of t...@ida.net<mailto:t...@ida.net>> wrote:

>Hi...
>
>The Ripple coin is down to $.917 per coin... and rumors are that
>Coinbase may start trading it soon. If that happens, the value will go
>WAY up.
>
>Travis
>

Re: [AFMUG] AF Summer Session

[Gino A. Villarini]

Winter edition! I miss SLC

From: Af <af-boun...@afmug.com<mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com>> on behalf of Chuck 
McCown <ch...@wbmfg.com<mailto:ch...@wbmfg.com>>
Reply-To: "af@afmug.com<mailto:af@afmug.com>" 
<af@afmug.com<mailto:af@afmug.com>>
Date: Tuesday, March 6, 2018 at 1:55 PM
To: "af@afmug.com<mailto:af@afmug.com>" <af@afmug.com<mailto:af@afmug.com>>
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] AF Summer Session




Gino A. Villarini


President
Metro Office Park #18 Suite 304 Guaynabo, Puerto Rico 00968

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Pick a date.  I am thinking June.  First to third week.  Maybe second week 
since it is already March and I have not got the date set.  Once we have a date 
I will shop venues for the first day.  Second day will be at my shop in Lake 
Point I think.

From: Dave
Sent: Tuesday, March 06, 2018 10:53 AM
To: af@afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] AF Summer Session

Im not at wispAmerica, but What do you need to get it going.

Dave


On 03/05/2018 07:24 PM, Chuck McCown wrote:
Stop by our booth at WISPAmerica and help us get the AnimalFarm Summer 2018 
session on the calendar.ï¿1Ž2 I am thinking the first week in June.

--
[cid:69CCA6A63557403DA6A10236549FC2B1@ChuckMcCownPC]

[AFMUG] FCC Pai proposes $1B for PR / USVI telecom rebuild/ expansion

[Gino A. Villarini]

Interesting

#PaiMoney

https://www.reuters.com/article/us-usa-hurricane-communications/fcc-wants-nearly-1-billion-to-revamp-puerto-rico-virgin-islands-communications-networks-idUSKCN1GI2EN?utm_campaign=trueAnthem:+Trending+Content_content=5a9ee78904d30133ffd0af8a_medium=trueAnthem_source=twitter



Gino A. Villarini


President
Metro Office Park #18 Suite 304 Guaynabo, Puerto Rico 00968

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Re: [AFMUG] XRP

[Gino A. Villarini]

Rumor has it that they wont?

On 3/6/18, 2:33 PM, "Af on behalf of Travis Johnson" <af-boun...@afmug.com



Gino A. Villarini


President
Metro Office Park #18 Suite 304 Guaynabo, Puerto Rico 00968

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on behalf of t...@ida.net> wrote:

>Hi...
>
>The Ripple coin is down to $.917 per coin... and rumors are that
>Coinbase may start trading it soon. If that happens, the value will go
>WAY up.
>
>Travis
>

Re: [AFMUG] XRP

[Gino A. Villarini]

Kraken

From: Af <af-boun...@afmug.com<mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com>> on behalf of Jason 
McKemie 
<j.mcke...@veloxinetbroadband.com<mailto:j.mcke...@veloxinetbroadband.com>>
Reply-To: "af@afmug.com<mailto:af@afmug.com>" 
<af@afmug.com<mailto:af@afmug.com>>
Date: Tuesday, March 6, 2018 at 2:53 PM
To: "af@afmug.com<mailto:af@afmug.com>" <af@afmug.com<mailto:af@afmug.com>>
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] XRP

What broker do you use to buy Ripple as of now?

On Tuesday, March 6, 2018, Travis Johnson <t...@ida.net<mailto:t...@ida.net>> 
wrote:
Hi...

The Ripple coin is down to $.917 per coin... and rumors are that Coinbase may 
start trading it soon. If that happens, the value will go WAY up.

Travis




Gino A. Villarini


President
Metro Office Park #18 Suite 304 Guaynabo, Puerto Rico 00968

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Re: [AFMUG] WispAmerica AF11x to Remec adapter

[Gino A. Villarini]

The waveguide interface would limit the ability to change the diplexers ..
I think

On 3/6/18, 12:49 PM, "Af on behalf of George Skorup" <af-boun...@afmug.com



Gino A. Villarini


President
Metro Office Park #18 Suite 304 Guaynabo, Puerto Rico 00968

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on behalf of george.sko...@cbcast.com> wrote:

>I would think it's in UBNT's best interest to keep supplying you with
>the boots since it will help them sell the AF11. How many of us have
>dishes on towers with Remec ODUs? A lot.
>
>OTOH, silicone-rubber tape is cheap. The boots obviously make it easier
>to replace a failed radio though.
>
>I still don't understand why it wasn't just a waveguide interface from
>the get-go, but whatever.
>
>On 3/6/2018 10:36 AM, Chuck McCown wrote:
>> I have been selling them one off at $175 each but I truly don't know
>> my costs yet.  The price may get adjusted after I actually ship a
>> quantity so I know my real production volume pricing.
>>
>> N on the radio, SMA on the feedhorn.
>>
>> UBNT has been supplying the boots to me... so far.
>>
>> The SMA ships with a chunk of heat shrink to seal it.
>>
>> -Original Message- From: Nate Burke
>> Sent: Tuesday, March 06, 2018 9:03 AM
>> To: af@afmug.com
>> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] WispAmerica AF11x to Remec adapter
>>
>> Price, and how do we order them?  Are those Customer Jumpers, or N to
>> N?  What are the weatherproofing options?
>>
>> On 3/6/2018 9:52 AM, Chuck McCown wrote:
>>> Booth was extra hard to set up our display.
>>
>

Re: [AFMUG] WispAmerica AF11x to Remec adapter

[Gino A. Villarini]

They work perfectly!

On 3/6/18, 11:52 AM, "Af on behalf of Chuck McCown" <af-boun...@afmug.com



Gino A. Villarini


President
Metro Office Park #18 Suite 304 Guaynabo, Puerto Rico 00968

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on behalf of ch...@wbmfg.com> wrote:

>Booth was extra hard to set up our display.

Re: [AFMUG] CCS 60ghz PTMP AP and Sub pic from MWC -

[Gino A. Villarini]

$2500

Gino A. Villarini
@gvillarini






Gino A. Villarini


President
Metro Office Park #18 Suite 304 Guaynabo, Puerto Rico 00968

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On Mar 2, 2018, at 12:08 PM, Mathew Howard 
<mhoward...@gmail.com<mailto:mhoward...@gmail.com>> wrote:

Interesting... I wonder what they cost.

On Fri, Mar 2, 2018 at 1:36 AM, Brett A Mansfield 
<li...@silverlakeinternet.com<mailto:li...@silverlakeinternet.com>> wrote:
Wow, I want these. Are they available yet?

Thank you,
Brett A Mansfield

On Mar 1, 2018, at 11:19 PM, Jason McKemie 
<j.mcke...@veloxinetbroadband.com<mailto:j.mcke...@veloxinetbroadband.com>> 
wrote:

http://www.ccsl.com/media/uploads/files/metnet60ghz-product-specification-v4.pdf

On Thu, Mar 1, 2018 at 11:03 PM, TJ Trout 
<t...@voltbb.com<mailto:t...@voltbb.com>> wrote:
Siklu? Link to PDF? Nothing published yet?

On Wed, Feb 28, 2018 at 11:14 AM, Gino A. Villarini 
<g...@aeronetpr.com<mailto:g...@aeronetpr.com>> wrote:
Thanks to Andreas for the pic





Gino A. Villarini


President
Metro Office Park #18 Suite 304 Guaynabo, Puerto Rico 00968

Re: [AFMUG] COW trailer - looking to rent or buy

[Gino A. Villarini]

Quote me

Gino A. Villarini
@gvillarini






Gino A. Villarini


President
Metro Office Park #18 Suite 304 Guaynabo, Puerto Rico 00968

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On Mar 2, 2018, at 2:18 PM, Brett A Mansfield 
<li...@silverlakeinternet.com<mailto:li...@silverlakeinternet.com>> wrote:

I recently started a company with my brother where we make these custom for the 
same or less than the average cookie cutter ones. Let me know if you want to 
buy a custom one. We have one to fit every budget and it only takes 2 weeks to 
manufacture and deliver.

Thank you,
Brett A Mansfield

On Mar 2, 2018, at 10:13 AM, Jeremy 
<jeremysmi...@gmail.com<mailto:jeremysmi...@gmail.com>> wrote:

I am pretty sure that it was Bill MacNamara that had a bunch of them from an 
acquisition in Texas.

On Thu, Mar 1, 2018 at 10:15 PM, TJ Trout 
<t...@voltbb.com<mailto:t...@voltbb.com>> wrote:
someone was selling like 40 new ones they were surplus on WISPA list I think 
about 6 months ago...

On Mon, Feb 26, 2018 at 12:36 PM, Gino A. Villarini 
<g...@aeronetpr.com<mailto:g...@aeronetpr.com>> wrote:





Gino A. Villarini


President
Metro Office Park #18 Suite 304 Guaynabo, Puerto Rico 00968

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Re: [AFMUG] Sonar Billing Portal

[Gino A. Villarini]

Agreed, maybe they don¹t want the liability?

On 2/27/18, 3:12 PM, "Af on behalf of Sterling Jacobson"



Gino A. Villarini


President
Metro Office Park #18 Suite 304 Guaynabo, Puerto Rico 00968

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<af-boun...@afmug.com on behalf of sterl...@avative.net> wrote:

>Again, I'm completely flummoxed by Sonar.
>
>Apparently their customer portal isn't really a part of their system.
>
>Any Sonar customer has to purchase and maintain their own linux system to
>host the web/portal system.
>Then that ties into their main system BUT isn't immediately synched up
>with their main system on any changes.
>
>I've had several times where I've been on the phone with customers and
>made a billing change in Sonar and the customer can't see it in the
>portal until an unspecified amount of time goes by and it updates
>magically.
>
>NOW my portal is completely out of the blue not responding to web
>requests and appears offline to my customers, for over a day now.
>
>Sonar can't figure it out and want me to nuke it and start over, which if
>I remember, cost me a few hours of time to arrange DNS, SSH access,
>IPv4/6 changes, firewall, SSL, logo placement etc beyond their initial
>load.
>
>I blame myself for not having set up incremental backups of it.
>I'll definitely fix that this time.
>
>But man it would have been so much more simpler if Sonar actually had
>themselves a hosted client page I could slap my logo on and change a few
>CSS color marks.
>
>What a PITA.

[AFMUG] COW trailer - looking to rent or buy

[Gino A. Villarini]

Gino A. Villarini


President
Metro Office Park #18 Suite 304 Guaynabo, Puerto Rico 00968

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Re: [AFMUG] Radwin Announces mesh 60ghz at MWC

[Gino A. Villarini]

Tried Mikrotik to Ignitenet… no dice

From: Af <af-boun...@afmug.com<mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com>> on behalf of 
Stefan Englhardt <s...@genias.net<mailto:s...@genias.net>>
Reply-To: "af@afmug.com<mailto:af@afmug.com>" 
<af@afmug.com<mailto:af@afmug.com>>
Date: Monday, February 26, 2018 at 12:23 PM
To: "af@afmug.com<mailto:af@afmug.com>" <af@afmug.com<mailto:af@afmug.com>>
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Radwin Announces mesh 60ghz at MWC

Would be perfect when ignitenet makes their stuff compatible. Both are based on 
WiGIG so should be possible.





Gino A. Villarini


President
Metro Office Park #18 Suite 304 Guaynabo, Puerto Rico 00968

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Von: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] Im Auftrag von Gino A. Villarini
Gesendet: Montag, 26. Februar 2018 17:08
An: af@afmug.com<mailto:af@afmug.com>
Betreff: [AFMUG] Radwin Announces mesh 60ghz at MWC

Based on Facebook Terragraph Project

https://www.radwin.com/press-room/60ghz-mesh-terragraph



Gino A. Villarini

President

Metro Office Park #18 Suite 304 Guaynabo, Puerto Rico 00968


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[AFMUG] Radwin Announces mesh 60ghz at MWC

[Gino A. Villarini]

Based on Facebook Terragraph Project

https://www.radwin.com/press-room/60ghz-mesh-terragraph



Gino A. Villarini


President
Metro Office Park #18 Suite 304 Guaynabo, Puerto Rico 00968

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Re: [AFMUG] its here, Ignitenet 60ghz trisector

[Gino A. Villarini]

Btw Hal, do the units have electrical downtilt?

From: Af <af-boun...@afmug.com<mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com>> on behalf of 
Harold Bledsoe <hbledso...@gmail.com<mailto:hbledso...@gmail.com>>
Reply-To: "af@afmug.com<mailto:af@afmug.com>" 
<af@afmug.com<mailto:af@afmug.com>>
Date: Tuesday, February 20, 2018 at 5:53 PM
To: "af@afmug.com<mailto:af@afmug.com>" <af@afmug.com<mailto:af@afmug.com>>
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] its here, Ignitenet 60ghz trisector

Imperialist!




Gino A. Villarini


President
Metro Office Park #18 Suite 304 Guaynabo, Puerto Rico 00968

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On Tue, Feb 20, 2018 at 3:51 PM <ch...@wbmfg.com<mailto:ch...@wbmfg.com>> wrote:
Yes, but is it tested to the more rigorous –40F?

From: Harold Bledsoe
Sent: Tuesday, February 20, 2018 2:48 PM
To: af@afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] its here, Ignitenet 60ghz trisector
It's tested to -40C.  If that makes you feel better.  :-)

-Hal

On Tue, Feb 20, 2018 at 2:10 PM Colin Stanners <cstann...@gmail.com> wrote:
Speed and price look extremely impressive... but it's not rated to operate in 
cold weather (only down to -30 Celsius) therefore not an option for us in 
why-are-you-living-there central Canada.

On Tue, Feb 20, 2018 at 1:47 PM, Stefan Englhardt <s...@genias.net> wrote:
Still everything on plain 802.11 or is tdma done?


Von: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] Im Auftrag von Mathew Howard
Gesendet: Dienstag, 20. Februar 2018 19:45
An: af <af@afmug.com>
Betreff: Re: [AFMUG] its here, Ignitenet 60ghz trisector

Pricing isn't bad at all, the AP is only about $1k, which is actually cheaper 
than a lot of 5ghz systems when you consider that it covers 360 degrees, and 
there aren't any other antennas involved. The clients are a bit pricey 
though... ranging from around $300-$600... realistically, probably around $500 
for most customers.
I have one sitting here ready to go up as soon as the weather is good enough 
that I can get myself to climb up a tower... one of our service techs lives 
close enough to the tower that I'm planning on putting it on to work at 60ghz, 
so that should be a good test.
On Tue, Feb 20, 2018 at 12:28 PM, <ch...@wbmfg.com> wrote:
Nice.  How does the price compare to other PMP solutions?

From: Mathew Howard
Sent: Tuesday, February 20, 2018 11:25 AM
To: af
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] its here, Ignitenet 60ghz trisector

It is dual frequency. It's got a built in 5ghz omni as well as the three 60ghz 
radio... it actually has a 2.4ghz radio in there to, although I can't imagine 
actually using that.
On Tue, Feb 20, 2018 at 11:43 AM, <ch...@wbmfg.com> wrote:
Please forgive me for being ignorant about this product, but is it a dual freq 
with fail over to 5.8GHz during 60 GHz fades/outages or do you put up the 60 
GHz and hope for the best?

From: Gino A. Villarini
Sent: Tuesday, February 20, 2018 10:29 AM
To:af@afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] its here, Ignitenet 60ghz trisector

2.5 gbps OTA per sector, 3 inside … 1.1-1.3 gbps real per sector

From: Af <af-boun...@afmug.com> on behalf of Jason McKemie 
<j.mcke...@veloxinetbroadband.com>
Reply-To: "af@afmug.com" <af@afmug.com>
Date: Tuesday, February 20, 2018 at 1:13 PM
To: "af@afmug.com" <af@afmug.com>
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] its here, Ignitenet 60ghz trisector

What's the beamwidth on this?

On Tuesday, February 20, 2018, Gino A. Villarini <g...@aeronetpr.com> wrote:




Gino A. Villarini

President

Metro Office Park #18 Suite 304 Guaynabo, Puerto Rico 00968


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Gino A. Villarini

President

Metro Office Park #18 Suite 304 Guaynabo, Puerto Rico 00968


[image001.png]

Re: [AFMUG] its here, Ignitenet 60ghz trisector

[Gino A. Villarini]

2.5 gbps OTA per sector, 3 inside … 1.1-1.3 gbps real per sector

From: Af <af-boun...@afmug.com<mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com>> on behalf of Jason 
McKemie 
<j.mcke...@veloxinetbroadband.com<mailto:j.mcke...@veloxinetbroadband.com>>
Reply-To: "af@afmug.com<mailto:af@afmug.com>" 
<af@afmug.com<mailto:af@afmug.com>>
Date: Tuesday, February 20, 2018 at 1:13 PM
To: "af@afmug.com<mailto:af@afmug.com>" <af@afmug.com<mailto:af@afmug.com>>
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] its here, Ignitenet 60ghz trisector

What's the beamwidth on this?

On Tuesday, February 20, 2018, Gino A. Villarini 
<g...@aeronetpr.com<mailto:g...@aeronetpr.com>> wrote:




Gino A. Villarini


President
Metro Office Park #18 Suite 304 Guaynabo, Puerto Rico 00968

[cid:aeronet-logo_310cfc3e-6691-4f69-bd49-b37b834b9238.png]



Gino A. Villarini


President
Metro Office Park #18 Suite 304 Guaynabo, Puerto Rico 00968

[cid:aeronet-logo_310cfc3e-6691-4f69-bd49-b37b834b9238.png]

Re: [AFMUG] POE Fuse ...

[Gino A. Villarini]

You can make the cards longer…

From: Af <af-boun...@afmug.com<mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com>> on behalf of Chuck 
McCown <ch...@wbmfg.com<mailto:ch...@wbmfg.com>>
Reply-To: "af@afmug.com<mailto:af@afmug.com>" 
<af@afmug.com<mailto:af@afmug.com>>
Date: Wednesday, February 14, 2018 at 4:02 PM
To: "af@afmug.com<mailto:af@afmug.com>" <af@afmug.com<mailto:af@afmug.com>>
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] POE Fuse ...




Gino A. Villarini


President
Metro Office Park #18 Suite 304 Guaynabo, Puerto Rico 00968

[cid:aeronet-logo_310cfc3e-6691-4f69-bd49-b37b834b9238.png]

I ran out of room when I tried.  That is on the APC version.


From: Gino A. Villarini
Sent: Wednesday, February 14, 2018 12:30 PM
To: af@afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] POE Fuse ...

O need both the SS and the Fuse? can’t they be integrated in the same unit?

From: Af <af-boun...@afmug.com> on behalf of Chuck McCown <ch...@wbmfg.com>
Reply-To: "af@afmug.com" <af@afmug.com>
Date: Wednesday, February 14, 2018 at 11:50 AM
To: "af@afmug.com" <af@afmug.com>
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] POE Fuse ...




Gino A. Villarini


President
Metro Office Park #18 Suite 304 Guaynabo, Puerto Rico 00968

[cid:2FEFBECBDEC54B54AEBC8967FFCE8069@ChuckMcCownPC]

Two similar questions:

Surge suppressors can blow ports.  If you have a surge, the surge protector 
will clamp all the Ethernet lines to ground.  That shorts them all together and 
grounds them.  That will also blow some POE ports.


So you need surge protectors to protect things from surges, but you need fuses 
to protect the POE source from the surge protector.  Learned this the hard way.

From: can...@believewireless.net
Sent: Wednesday, February 14, 2018 8:48 AM
To: af@afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] POE Fuse ...

So for a Netonix, do we just need the fuse or do we need the surge arrestor 
card as well?

On Wed, Feb 14, 2018 at 10:41 AM, TJ Trout <t...@voltbb.com> wrote:
per chuck they must be fueses to protect a netonix, anything else was too slow.

On Wed, Feb 14, 2018 at 7:34 AM, Adam Moffett <dmmoff...@gmail.com> wrote:
I'm sure you already thought about this, but is it possible to make a device 
that recovers automatically after the short circuit has ended while also 
responding fast enough to protect the port?

Is it a case where it's possible but costs too much?


-- Original Message --
From: "Chuck McCown" <ch...@wbmfg.com>
To: "Animal Farm" <af@afmug.com>
Sent: 2/14/2018 10:27:32 AM
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] POE Fuse ...

We have been shipping for months.
The cost of having a Netonix port repaired is more than the cost of the fuse.
And then there is the labor and downtime and other intangible expenses involved 
in blowing a port.

The prices are lower if you buy from one of my distributors.  I don't encourage 
anyone to buy off my ecommerce site and pay full list price.  That site is only 
there to generate sales for distributors.

All of my products have prices based on cost plus margin.  Same formula across 
the board pretty much.  I try to have unique products you can't get other 
places.If volume increases on a product, I sometimes adjust the price down 
due to the fact that my costs come down.  For example, if I am buying 1000 
surge protector PCBs, I may be paying $1 for each.  But if I am only buying 100 
of them it may be $2.50.

I recently adjusted the cost down on my 8 circuit tower surge protector for 
exactly this reason.  Volume picked up, I worked on sourcing and buying and was 
able to drop the list price considerably and still maintain my margins.

-Original Message- From: Faisal Imtiaz
Sent: Wednesday, February 14, 2018 8:00 AM
To: Animal Farm
Subject: [AFMUG] POE Fuse ...

Hi Chuck,

Great to hear about the new product, the POE Fuse.

Question & critique.
When are these going to be available ?
We would like to see these priced a bit more aggressive...
(At the current pricing, the cost of fusing multiple ports appears to be 
exceeding the cost of 'poe switch' it is protecting ! )

Regards.

Faisal Imtiaz
Snappy Internet & Telecom
http://www.snappytelecom.net

Tel: 305 663 5518 x 232<tel:305%20663%205518%20x%20232>

Help-desk: (305)663-5518<tel:%28305%29663-5518> Option 2 or Email: 
supp...@snappytelecom.net

Re: [AFMUG] .........Fw: [Motorola] I QUIT - This should be on theTrango List

[Gino A. Villarini]

PTP800 is remec

From: Af <af-boun...@afmug.com<mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com>> on behalf of Chuck 
McCown <ch...@wbmfg.com<mailto:ch...@wbmfg.com>>
Reply-To: "af@afmug.com<mailto:af@afmug.com>" 
<af@afmug.com<mailto:af@afmug.com>>
Date: Wednesday, February 14, 2018 at 3:27 PM
To: "af@afmug.com<mailto:af@afmug.com>" <af@afmug.com<mailto:af@afmug.com>>
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] .Fw: [Motorola] I QUIT - This should be on 
theTrango List




Gino A. Villarini


President
Metro Office Park #18 Suite 304 Guaynabo, Puerto Rico 00968

[cid:aeronet-logo_310cfc3e-6691-4f69-bd49-b37b834b9238.png]

PTP820 is also Remec is it not?

From: George Skorup
Sent: Wednesday, February 14, 2018 12:20 PM
To: af@afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] .Fw: [Motorola] I QUIT - This should be on 
theTrango List

Possibly stupid question. Most of what we have deployed are 11GHz ApexPlus. 
That is a Remec circular/round interface. Is there an adapter to move to 
IP20/PTP820 S and/or C?

On 2/14/2018 10:45 AM, Chuck McCown wrote:
I can build N connector adapters for the antenna too if you choose a 
connectorized radio.

From: Jeremy
Sent: Wednesday, February 14, 2018 9:42 AM
To: af@afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] .Fw: [Motorola] I QUIT - This should be on 
theTrango List

Yeah, this particular link is 6GHz.  She said that she could maybe get me some 
Wavelab heads, but if I am replacing all four radios I may as well go with a 
manufacturer that is actually in business, and can support their products.  I 
am just going to replace the link with a higher capacity product and move it 
elsewhere.  If I need a custom adapter I'll let you know, thanks!

On Wed, Feb 14, 2018 at 9:31 AM, Chuck McCown <ch...@wbmfg.com> wrote:
U.. there is a strange AF11x to Remec adapter that does actually exist, 
(even though Gino is probably given up hope that that is so.  I have some done 
for Gino.  Just not shipped yet.)

But if you need a interspecies adapter from anything to anything, let me know.  
I can typically do one for less than the cost of a new dish/dish install.

From: Jeff Broadwick - Lists
Sent: Wednesday, February 14, 2018 9:18 AM
To: af@afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] .Fw: [Motorola] I QUIT - This should be on 
theTrango List

I expect that there will be a robust used market as people move to other 
platforms.  I know at least one manufacturer that has Trango adapters for 
dishes too.

Jeff Broadwick
CTIconnect
312-205-2519<tel:%28312%29%20205-2519> Office
574-220-7826<tel:%28574%29%20220-7826> Cell
jbroadw...@cticonnect.com

On Feb 14, 2018, at 10:55 AM, Jeremy <jeremysmi...@gmail.com> wrote:

My radios are Remecand Laurie says she can no longer get any Remec heads, 
even at MSRP.

On Wed, Feb 14, 2018 at 8:53 AM, Nate Burke <n...@blastcomm.com> wrote:
They must still have a stockpile of equipment somewhere.  I just sent an Apex 
Plus radio in for repair a couple weeks ago.  They said they couldn't repair 
it, but offered me the option to buy a new one at full MSRP.  But yes, almost 
everyone is gone from Trango.  The person I was initially working with on the 
repair was gone from Trango by the time I actually sent the radio in.

On 2/14/2018 9:45 AM, Jeremy wrote:
On another note; Did everyone here know that Trango is pretty much out of 
business?  No sales force, no sales, RMA onlylikely for a limited time.  
Just tried to get radios for a 2+0 of our existing linkno dice.

On Tue, Feb 13, 2018 at 6:45 PM, Jaime Solorza <losguyswirel...@gmail.com> 
wrote:
Nah.  Just funnin ya

Jaime Solorza

On Feb 13, 2018 6:37 PM, <ch...@wbmfg.com> wrote:
No way

From: Steve Jones
Sent: Tuesday, February 13, 2018 5:26 PM
To: af@afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] .Fw: [Motorola] I QUIT - This should be on the 
Trango List

...someone say Lents ending?

On Tue, Feb 13, 2018 at 6:11 PM, Jaime Solorza <losguyswirel...@gmail.com> 
wrote:
I remember that and made some comment later about the animal farm attitude or 
nature of what had happened... Chuck ran with it and AFMUG was born.  Something 
like that...too many Tecates since then but it's my reality and you all just 
live in it .. thinking of giving up Lent for Lent tomorrow...

Jaime Solorza

On Feb 13, 2018 3:48 PM, "CBB - Jay Fuller" <par...@cyberbroadband.net> wrote:

is this the one?

a few messages later i see messages like this -

To: CBB - Jay Fuller
Sent: Monday, July 7, 2008 2:55 PM
Subject: Part-15 list

Are you having problems posting to the list?  I'm getting bounce messages when
I try, and it even bounced when I tried to email bullit directly.

Here is the message:
Invalid final delivery userid: motor...@part-15.org

---

- Original Message -
From: Bullit
To: motor...@part-15.org
Sent: Monday, July 7, 2008 10:22 AM
Subject: RE: [Motorola] I QUIT - This should be on the Trango List

LOL, you reall

Re: [AFMUG] .........Fw: [Motorola] I QUIT - This should be on theTrango List

[Gino A. Villarini]

Ceragon

From: Af <af-boun...@afmug.com<mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com>> on behalf of Chuck 
McCown <ch...@wbmfg.com<mailto:ch...@wbmfg.com>>
Reply-To: "af@afmug.com<mailto:af@afmug.com>" 
<af@afmug.com<mailto:af@afmug.com>>
Date: Wednesday, February 14, 2018 at 3:27 PM
To: "af@afmug.com<mailto:af@afmug.com>" <af@afmug.com<mailto:af@afmug.com>>
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] .Fw: [Motorola] I QUIT - This should be on 
theTrango List




Gino A. Villarini


President
Metro Office Park #18 Suite 304 Guaynabo, Puerto Rico 00968

[cid:aeronet-logo_310cfc3e-6691-4f69-bd49-b37b834b9238.png]

PTP820 is also Remec is it not?

From: George Skorup
Sent: Wednesday, February 14, 2018 12:20 PM
To: af@afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] .Fw: [Motorola] I QUIT - This should be on 
theTrango List

Possibly stupid question. Most of what we have deployed are 11GHz ApexPlus. 
That is a Remec circular/round interface. Is there an adapter to move to 
IP20/PTP820 S and/or C?

On 2/14/2018 10:45 AM, Chuck McCown wrote:
I can build N connector adapters for the antenna too if you choose a 
connectorized radio.

From: Jeremy
Sent: Wednesday, February 14, 2018 9:42 AM
To: af@afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] .Fw: [Motorola] I QUIT - This should be on 
theTrango List

Yeah, this particular link is 6GHz.  She said that she could maybe get me some 
Wavelab heads, but if I am replacing all four radios I may as well go with a 
manufacturer that is actually in business, and can support their products.  I 
am just going to replace the link with a higher capacity product and move it 
elsewhere.  If I need a custom adapter I'll let you know, thanks!

On Wed, Feb 14, 2018 at 9:31 AM, Chuck McCown <ch...@wbmfg.com> wrote:
U.. there is a strange AF11x to Remec adapter that does actually exist, 
(even though Gino is probably given up hope that that is so.  I have some done 
for Gino.  Just not shipped yet.)

But if you need a interspecies adapter from anything to anything, let me know.  
I can typically do one for less than the cost of a new dish/dish install.

From: Jeff Broadwick - Lists
Sent: Wednesday, February 14, 2018 9:18 AM
To: af@afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] .Fw: [Motorola] I QUIT - This should be on 
theTrango List

I expect that there will be a robust used market as people move to other 
platforms.  I know at least one manufacturer that has Trango adapters for 
dishes too.

Jeff Broadwick
CTIconnect
312-205-2519<tel:%28312%29%20205-2519> Office
574-220-7826<tel:%28574%29%20220-7826> Cell
jbroadw...@cticonnect.com

On Feb 14, 2018, at 10:55 AM, Jeremy <jeremysmi...@gmail.com> wrote:

My radios are Remecand Laurie says she can no longer get any Remec heads, 
even at MSRP.

On Wed, Feb 14, 2018 at 8:53 AM, Nate Burke <n...@blastcomm.com> wrote:
They must still have a stockpile of equipment somewhere.  I just sent an Apex 
Plus radio in for repair a couple weeks ago.  They said they couldn't repair 
it, but offered me the option to buy a new one at full MSRP.  But yes, almost 
everyone is gone from Trango.  The person I was initially working with on the 
repair was gone from Trango by the time I actually sent the radio in.

On 2/14/2018 9:45 AM, Jeremy wrote:
On another note; Did everyone here know that Trango is pretty much out of 
business?  No sales force, no sales, RMA onlylikely for a limited time.  
Just tried to get radios for a 2+0 of our existing linkno dice.

On Tue, Feb 13, 2018 at 6:45 PM, Jaime Solorza <losguyswirel...@gmail.com> 
wrote:
Nah.  Just funnin ya

Jaime Solorza

On Feb 13, 2018 6:37 PM, <ch...@wbmfg.com> wrote:
No way

From: Steve Jones
Sent: Tuesday, February 13, 2018 5:26 PM
To: af@afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] .Fw: [Motorola] I QUIT - This should be on the 
Trango List

...someone say Lents ending?

On Tue, Feb 13, 2018 at 6:11 PM, Jaime Solorza <losguyswirel...@gmail.com> 
wrote:
I remember that and made some comment later about the animal farm attitude or 
nature of what had happened... Chuck ran with it and AFMUG was born.  Something 
like that...too many Tecates since then but it's my reality and you all just 
live in it .. thinking of giving up Lent for Lent tomorrow...

Jaime Solorza

On Feb 13, 2018 3:48 PM, "CBB - Jay Fuller" <par...@cyberbroadband.net> wrote:

is this the one?

a few messages later i see messages like this -

To: CBB - Jay Fuller
Sent: Monday, July 7, 2008 2:55 PM
Subject: Part-15 list

Are you having problems posting to the list?  I'm getting bounce messages when
I try, and it even bounced when I tried to email bullit directly.

Here is the message:
Invalid final delivery userid: motor...@part-15.org

---

- Original Message -
From: Bullit
To: motor...@part-15.org
Sent: Monday, July 7, 2008 10:22 AM
Subject: RE: [Motorola] I QUIT - This should be on the Trango List

LOL, you really hate t

Re: [AFMUG] .........Fw: [Motorola] I QUIT - This should be on the Trango List

[Gino A. Villarini]

Lol there still there! I made them

From: Af <af-boun...@afmug.com<mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com>> on behalf of David 
Milholen <dmilho...@wletc.com<mailto:dmilho...@wletc.com>>
Reply-To: "af@afmug.com<mailto:af@afmug.com>" 
<af@afmug.com<mailto:af@afmug.com>>
Date: Wednesday, February 14, 2018 at 3:23 PM
To: "af@afmug.com<mailto:af@afmug.com>" <af@afmug.com<mailto:af@afmug.com>>
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] .Fw: [Motorola] I QUIT - This should be on the 
Trango List

I miss the funny youtube videos of hitler




Gino A. Villarini


President
Metro Office Park #18 Suite 304 Guaynabo, Puerto Rico 00968

[cid:aeronet-logo_310cfc3e-6691-4f69-bd49-b37b834b9238.png]

On 02/13/2018 06:11 PM, Jaime Solorza wrote:
I remember that and made some comment later about the animal farm attitude or 
nature of what had happened... Chuck ran with it and AFMUG was born.  Something 
like that...too many Tecates since then but it's my reality and you all just 
live in it .. thinking of giving up Lent for Lent tomorrow...

Jaime Solorza

On Feb 13, 2018 3:48 PM, "CBB - Jay Fuller" 
<par...@cyberbroadband.net<mailto:par...@cyberbroadband.net>> wrote:

is this the one?

a few messages later i see messages like this -

To: CBB - Jay Fuller
Sent: Monday, July 7, 2008 2:55 PM
Subject: Part-15 list

Are you having problems posting to the list?  I'm getting bounce messages when
I try, and it even bounced when I tried to email bullit directly.

Here is the message:
Invalid final delivery userid: motor...@part-15.org

---

- Original Message -
From: Bullit<mailto:w...@part-15.org>
To: motor...@part-15.org<mailto:motor...@part-15.org>
Sent: Monday, July 7, 2008 10:22 AM
Subject: RE: [Motorola] I QUIT - This should be on the Trango List

LOL, you really hate the list traffic compared to a forum. I'll commend you
on your steadfast devotion.

Michael

-Original Message-
From: motorola-ow...@part-15.org<mailto:motorola-ow...@part-15.org> 
[mailto:motorola-ow...@part-15.org<mailto:motorola-ow...@part-15.org>] On
Behalf Of Sterling Jacobson
Sent: Monday, July 07, 2008 10:18 AM
To: motor...@part-15.org<mailto:motor...@part-15.org>
Subject: RE: [Motorola] I QUIT - This should be on the Trango List

Maybe I'm not the only one, but when a thread like this starts up I just
read a couple of words to get the gist and then dump it.

So you all do whatever it is you think is necessary, but the
community/list will live on in whatever form (hopefully a forum mode
next time, LOL!)



-Original Message-
From: motorola-ow...@part-15.org<mailto:motorola-ow...@part-15.org> 
[mailto:motorola-ow...@part-15.org<mailto:motorola-ow...@part-15.org>] On
Behalf Of Bullit
Sent: Monday, July 07, 2008 8:30 AM
To: motor...@part-15.org<mailto:motor...@part-15.org>
Subject: [Motorola] I QUIT - This should be on the Trango List

Do you all want all the lists to be free?

If so, I'll close up PART-15.ORG<http://PART-15.ORG> and you all can do 
whatever you want.

I'm sick of all this B.S. If you don't want to support 
PART-15.ORG<http://PART-15.ORG> then
don't and GO AWAY. Start your own damn lists somewhere else because
PART-15.ORG<http://PART-15.ORG> will just fade away which appears to be what 
you guys want
and I
have no problem with that idea.

And you know what Chuck, if people like Charles Wu would ever pay his
bills/debts that he owes PART-15.ORG<http://PART-15.ORG> maybe he could get 
back on the
lists.
As far as the others go, the hell with them as far as I'm concerned.
They
don't want to support PART-15.ORG<http://PART-15.ORG> so why the hell should I 
let them in
for
free? B.S. I'm fed up folks.

Michael



-Original Message-
From: motorola-ow...@part-15.org<mailto:motorola-ow...@part-15.org> 
[mailto:motorola-ow...@part-15.org<mailto:motorola-ow...@part-15.org>] On
Behalf Of Chuck McCown
Sent: Monday, July 07, 2008 9:16 AM
To: motor...@part-15.org<mailto:motor...@part-15.org>
Subject: Re: [Motorola] This should be on the Trango List

Trango is still a free list.  No so moto.
- Original Message -
From: "Michael Handiboe" 
<mich...@horizonbroadband.net<mailto:mich...@horizonbroadband.net>>
To: <motor...@part-15.org<mailto:motor...@part-15.org>>
Sent: Monday, July 07, 2008 7:45 AM
Subject: Re: [Motorola] This should be on the Trango List


> Chuck McCown - 3 wrote:
>> I can think of more than 5 that are no longer here.  I have not heard

>> from any of these guys since the list went paid (I don't think):
>
>> David Sovreen
>> Dan Peterman
>
> I thought I saw these guys  ... Peterman just the other day (?) ...
> maybe that was on the Mikrotik list.   I miss the rest of them.
>
> Funny thing, though, in my Thunderbird (email client ...) all the
T

Re: [AFMUG] POE Fuse ...

[Gino A. Villarini]

O need both the SS and the Fuse? can’t they be integrated in the same unit?

From: Af <af-boun...@afmug.com<mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com>> on behalf of Chuck 
McCown <ch...@wbmfg.com<mailto:ch...@wbmfg.com>>
Reply-To: "af@afmug.com<mailto:af@afmug.com>" 
<af@afmug.com<mailto:af@afmug.com>>
Date: Wednesday, February 14, 2018 at 11:50 AM
To: "af@afmug.com<mailto:af@afmug.com>" <af@afmug.com<mailto:af@afmug.com>>
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] POE Fuse ...




Gino A. Villarini


President
Metro Office Park #18 Suite 304 Guaynabo, Puerto Rico 00968

[cid:aeronet-logo_310cfc3e-6691-4f69-bd49-b37b834b9238.png]

Two similar questions:

Surge suppressors can blow ports.  If you have a surge, the surge protector 
will clamp all the Ethernet lines to ground.  That shorts them all together and 
grounds them.  That will also blow some POE ports.


So you need surge protectors to protect things from surges, but you need fuses 
to protect the POE source from the surge protector.  Learned this the hard way.

From: can...@believewireless.net
Sent: Wednesday, February 14, 2018 8:48 AM
To: af@afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] POE Fuse ...

So for a Netonix, do we just need the fuse or do we need the surge arrestor 
card as well?

On Wed, Feb 14, 2018 at 10:41 AM, TJ Trout <t...@voltbb.com> wrote:
per chuck they must be fueses to protect a netonix, anything else was too slow.

On Wed, Feb 14, 2018 at 7:34 AM, Adam Moffett <dmmoff...@gmail.com> wrote:
I'm sure you already thought about this, but is it possible to make a device 
that recovers automatically after the short circuit has ended while also 
responding fast enough to protect the port?

Is it a case where it's possible but costs too much?


-- Original Message --
From: "Chuck McCown" <ch...@wbmfg.com>
To: "Animal Farm" <af@afmug.com>
Sent: 2/14/2018 10:27:32 AM
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] POE Fuse ...

We have been shipping for months.
The cost of having a Netonix port repaired is more than the cost of the fuse.
And then there is the labor and downtime and other intangible expenses involved 
in blowing a port.

The prices are lower if you buy from one of my distributors.  I don't encourage 
anyone to buy off my ecommerce site and pay full list price.  That site is only 
there to generate sales for distributors.

All of my products have prices based on cost plus margin.  Same formula across 
the board pretty much.  I try to have unique products you can't get other 
places.If volume increases on a product, I sometimes adjust the price down 
due to the fact that my costs come down.  For example, if I am buying 1000 
surge protector PCBs, I may be paying $1 for each.  But if I am only buying 100 
of them it may be $2.50.

I recently adjusted the cost down on my 8 circuit tower surge protector for 
exactly this reason.  Volume picked up, I worked on sourcing and buying and was 
able to drop the list price considerably and still maintain my margins.

-Original Message- From: Faisal Imtiaz
Sent: Wednesday, February 14, 2018 8:00 AM
To: Animal Farm
Subject: [AFMUG] POE Fuse ...

Hi Chuck,

Great to hear about the new product, the POE Fuse.

Question & critique.
When are these going to be available ?
We would like to see these priced a bit more aggressive...
(At the current pricing, the cost of fusing multiple ports appears to be 
exceeding the cost of 'poe switch' it is protecting ! )

Regards.

Faisal Imtiaz
Snappy Internet & Telecom
http://www.snappytelecom.net

Tel: 305 663 5518 x 232<tel:305%20663%205518%20x%20232>

Help-desk: (305)663-5518<tel:%28305%29663-5518> Option 2 or Email: 
supp...@snappytelecom.net<mailto:supp...@snappytelecom.net>

Re: [AFMUG] Spam from Chuck

[Gino A. Villarini]

I remember the first AF! Back in 2007? Attendance was about 20-30 individuals ?

From: Af <af-boun...@afmug.com<mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com>> on behalf of Chuck 
McCown <ch...@wbmfg.com<mailto:ch...@wbmfg.com>>
Reply-To: "af@afmug.com<mailto:af@afmug.com>" 
<af@afmug.com<mailto:af@afmug.com>>
Date: Tuesday, February 13, 2018 at 6:48 PM
To: "af@afmug.com<mailto:af@afmug.com>" <af@afmug.com<mailto:af@afmug.com>>
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Spam from Chuck




Gino A. Villarini


President
Metro Office Park #18 Suite 304 Guaynabo, Puerto Rico 00968

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Yep, dead of night with greasepaint on my face  a new list was born... 
again...

I can name names over at WISPA that caused the problem I still remember 
names.

But I think we have kinda patched things up.
They have pretty much co-opted the whole AnimalFarm idea with my blessings and 
I get to go to the show once a year and see y’all.

As much as I would love to do an old fashioned AnimalFarm, I am too old and 
lazy to put on the show.

From: Chuck Hogg
Sent: Tuesday, February 13, 2018 3:38 PM
To: af@afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Spam from Chuck

Yes, before I was on the Board at WISPA, they had hosted "manufacturer" 
listservs.  Chuck, was the moderator of the list for "motorola" at the time, 
and his list was moved over.  I wanted to host a MikroTik@ list, as I was a 
vendor at the time for WISPA.  That's when sh!t hit the fan, some other 
distributors got butthurt, and WISPA decided that the motorola list wasn't 
Chuck M's, and the MikroTik list wasn't mine anymore.  I notified Chuck M of 
the pending issues and how my list was getting ripped from under me...and 
before WISPA could notify Chuck M that his list was going to be taken over, 
Chuck M converted it to the AFMUG list, shut down the motorola@wispa list and 
the AFMUG list was born.  A...the memories :)

Regards,
Chuck

On Tue, Feb 13, 2018 at 5:23 PM, George Skorup <george.sko...@cbcast.com> wrote:
Yes, Michael Anderson. He got pissed about the OT stuff on the motorola@ list. 
IIRC, shortly after the I QUIT incident, the list server went down and he said 
it was a h/w failure (while out of town? I don't remember if that was the case) 
and finally brought it back up. But it was too late and AFMUG was born. More 
accurately, the "Motorola II" list was born, and I believe that was hosted for 
a short time on the WISPA list serv?

I think the combination of WISPAmerica and Animal Farm is great.

On 2/13/2018 4:06 PM, Mark Radabaugh wrote:
You have to go back a long way in WISP history for how we got here….

The list was Part-15 at one time, and existed prior to WISPA.   Can’t recall 
the last name - Michael somebody ran the organization.   One day Michael was 
mad about something and posted the infamous “I quit” email - and that was 
pretty much the end of Part 15 and the list.  I actually think that was during 
a Animal Farm session if I recall correctly.

Chuck took over the list after that - I don’t think it was called AFMUG at the 
time, but it later became that.   Might have even been Motorola specific - not 
that it was ever on topic anyway.

There are WISPA lists - but the AFMUG list has lived on.   Yes - it’s Chuck’s 
list though occasionally the members donate money for the cost of hosting it.

This list has it’s advantages.   It’s membership leans toward a group of people 
who have known each other for a very long time.   You probably shouldn’t say 
bad things about WBMfg products (makes Chuck get all kranky) but everybody else 
if fair game.  I like it since it’s a place I can say things I can’t really say 
with a WISPA hat on (or at least I can’t say without blowback to WISPA).

Mark

On Feb 13, 2018, at 2:13 PM, ch...@wbmfg.com wrote:

Fair warning, Forrest has spam rights too...

-Original Message- From: ch...@wbmfg.com
Sent: Tuesday, February 13, 2018 12:03 PM
To: af@afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Spam from Chuck

I merge my AnimalFarm email list with my MailChimp list about once a year.

You do realize that this list is my list, right?

So essentially every time I make a posting here I am spamming you, right?

I used to do it every Friday right here on this list.
But I think it is cleaner and better quality to use MailChimp.

Did you unsubscribe from the Mail Chimp?  That will prevent it from ever
happening again.

-Original Message- From: fiber...@mail.com
Sent: Tuesday, February 13, 2018 11:58 AM
To: af@afmug.com
Subject: [AFMUG] Spam from Chuck

I just got spammed by Chuck McCown. What's up with that?

I sure as hell haven't signed up for any of his email lists nor done any
business with him, or even indicate I would like to. I find it in extremely
poor taste to mine the Af list for spam targets.

Jared

[AFMUG] managed DC

[Gino A. Villarini]

Stumbled into this UBNT community post where it is demonstrated the use of a 
Altronix DC panel for WISP use, It has web management among other goodies

https://community.ubnt.com/t5/EdgeMAX-Stories/24V-Power-Distribution-Unit/cns-p/2223858





Gino A. Villarini


President
Metro Office Park #18 Suite 304 Guaynabo, Puerto Rico 00968

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Re: [AFMUG] mini wisp

[Gino A. Villarini]

I have an aggregate capacity of 400 mbps+ on a single 450 Medusa sector
using 40 mhz channelsŠ

On 2/13/18, 11:26 AM, "Af on behalf of Rory Conaway" <af-boun...@afmug.com



Gino A. Villarini


President
Metro Office Park #18 Suite 304 Guaynabo, Puerto Rico 00968

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on behalf of r...@triadwireless.net> wrote:

>You will be waiting several months or more for multi-user LTU, same as
>other products still coming out.
>
>We always looks at ROI.  Except for 1 rare case that we bought 900Mhz
>450's for, and even then my ROI is well over 16 months or more, starting
>from scratch makes the 450 a challenge for profitability.  I'm also not
>convinced that the 450 will keep up with the rest of the industry in
>terms of capacity without much more investment whereas 802.11 products
>are cheap to upgrade.
>
>As for capacity, not starting with 802.11ac is DOA.  New 802.11ac
>chipsets are already pushing on 1024QAM and some other amazing features
>that will change how we deploy on towers.  RF Elements horns have already
>done that.
>
>For example, you can run 12 Ubiquiti Prisms with 12 horns, each covering
>30-40 degrees (overlap and minimizing the dropoff) for less than $5K.
>Even if you use 50/50 on GPS, you are still talking about at least
>1.2Gbps of download capacity (40MHz channels, 200Mbps per customer
>average).  Need more, RF Elements is shipping an even more narrow horn to
>double that.  What's even more amazing is that the need for GPS goes down
>significantly depending on how you deploy the horns meaning even more
>capacity.
>
>We have found that deploying Mimosa with 2 antennas covering 60-120
>degrees or Ubiquiti covering 30 degrees per AP in the directions we
>needed, meant we didn't have to cover 360 degrees.  If we added users
>that weren't in the pattern, we just added more APs or in the case of
>Mimosa, swapped out the antenna with more narrow patterns and added more
>APs to expand coverage .  A single user pays for a Ubiquiti/Horn AP in
>the first 8 months and 2 users Mimosa.   I understand this doesn't work
>well for tower deployments with outsourced climbers or with towers that
>are billed by cable pulls, antenna square footage, number of APs, etc...
>which is also why we rarely use towers.  I'd rather find a few lower
>locations that have easy access than a single tower but that's not always
>realistic.
>
>Rory
>
>-Original Message-
>From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Stefan Englhardt
>Sent: Tuesday, February 13, 2018 1:59 AM
>To: af@afmug.com
>Subject: Re: [AFMUG] mini wisp
>
>At the moment I would wait to see what this LTU is all about. Should soon
>arrive at US Beta store. An airfiber class radio mounted to horns may
>give a real boost. There would be a lot capacity even using them at
>smaller Channels. They will use power below 10W and will be much cheaper
>than 450m so you could install a 360 degree cluster which you might
>densify at the direction where most customers live. Using an EP-S16 you
>could aggregate them to 10GE and feed them with a Licensed gear right up
>there. You only need to bring 48V DC up to the tower.
>
>
>> -Ursprüngliche Nachricht-
>> Von: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] Im Auftrag von Josh Reynolds
>> Gesendet: Dienstag, 13. Februar 2018 09:34
>> An: af@afmug.com
>> Betreff: Re: [AFMUG] mini wisp
>>
>> I agree, it makes sense if you already have a cambium network on 450.
>>
>> For greenfield? Probably not.
>>
>> On Tue, Feb 13, 2018 at 1:42 AM, George Skorup
>> <george.sko...@cbcast.com> wrote:
>> > One 450m = two 450i in cost (roughly), but delivers 3-4x the
>> > throughput based on real-world results. Yes, it *can* talk to 7 SMs
>> > in the
>> same frame.
>> > But even Cambium said 3-4 is realistic. Maybe 5 in the right
>> > conditions. And you don't have to visit a single customer site. And
>> > instead of pointing 3x 20MHz channels the same direction, you need
>> > only one. Plus there's 30 and 40MHz support. Like Sean said, just
>> > another
>> tool in the toolbox.
>> >
>> > On 2/13/2018 1:26 AM, Josh Reynolds wrote:
>> >>
>> >> I was saying one direction IS 90 degrees in the "standard tower plan"
>> >> :)
>> >>
>> >>
>> >> On Tue, Feb 13, 2018 at 1:17 AM, Sean Heskett <af...@zirkel.us>
>>wrote:
>> >>>
>> >>> how else would you suggest building a tower?!?!
>> >>>
>> >>> friends don't let friends use omni's ;-)
>> >>>
>> >>>
>> &

Re: [AFMUG] 24 GHz vs 11 GHz

[Gino A. Villarini]

For 6-10 miles 24 ghz its way out of the question.  Stick to 11 ghz.

From: Af <af-boun...@afmug.com<mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com>> on behalf of David 
Coudron <david.coud...@advantenon.com<mailto:david.coud...@advantenon.com>>
Reply-To: "af@afmug.com<mailto:af@afmug.com>" 
<af@afmug.com<mailto:af@afmug.com>>
Date: Saturday, February 10, 2018 at 6:57 PM
To: "af@afmug.com<mailto:af@afmug.com>" <af@afmug.com<mailto:af@afmug.com>>
Subject: [AFMUG] 24 GHz vs 11 GHz

I know this topic has come up before, but thought I would throw it out again to 
hear additional thoughts as products continue to evolve.   We have been doing 
primarily 5 GHz backhaul using Mimosa products for the last couple of years.   
Their frequency reuse has really helped us, but we are starting to see more 
locations that have lots of noise.   We’d like to make the jump to higher 
frequencies and are looking at 11 GHz and 24 GHz for that.   The links we need 
are fairly short, 6-10 miles max, which pushes the limits of the 24 GHz 
solutions, but with a very clean line of site we think we are in range for the 
links we are looking at as far as the design tools tell us.   For 11 GHz, we 
would likely stay with the Mimosa product line, we know it pretty well and have 
all the management tools in place for it.   For 24 GHz we’d likely go with the 
Ubiquiti AF 24 or AF 24 HD.   We have worked with Ubiquiti stuff here and 
there, and just don’t have much familiarity with any other options outside of 
AirFiber.  Here is where we see the Pros and Cons of the two options:

Mimosa 11 GHz Pros:

  1.  Licensed, should be clean spectrum for the full term of the license and 
require less babysitting for interference
  2.  Should support longer links, but that isn’t a big consideration for us as 
it looks like everything we will need is under the limits of the HD for sure 
and likely the AF 24 as well
  3.  Little less susceptible to rain fade

Cons:

  1.  Have to mess around with the license and there is a cost associated with 
it
  2.  Have to buy the dish separately, and know which to use before applying 
for the license
  3.  Not quite as much throughput (when compared to the AF 24 HD)
  4.  More expensive that the AF 24 (but likely a little less than the HD)


Ubiquiti AF 24 Pros:

  1.  All in one unit, easy to figure out what to have on hand for all links
  2.  No messing around with licenses, making it much quicker to deploy
  3.  Higher throughput on the HD

Cons:

  1.  Unlicensed.  Might fight other noise out there, and even quiet links now 
might have noise later
  2.  Not as familiar with this tool set as we are with Mimosa, although this 
isn’t a big consideration as we have worked with lots of Ubiquiti products
  3.  Cost of HD is pretty high for an unlicensed link

Here are some questions we are hoping for help with:

  1.  How much room in the unlicensed band is there to move channels if you see 
other noise out there?   We have been looking but are finding it tough to 
figure out if we run wide channels, and see noise, will we be able to move to 
other channels.
  2.  Is it reasonable to think you can push 1.2 aggregate IP traffic across 
any of the three options B11, AF24 or AF24HD?   Seems like a well planned link 
with great line of site at 6 miles should be able to, but looking for some real 
world experience.
  3.  Any oddball items we should take into consideration other than the ones 
already mentioned here? Or are we missing some obvious questions?

Thanks,

David Coudron




Gino A. Villarini


President
Metro Office Park #18 Suite 304 Guaynabo, Puerto Rico 00968

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Re: [AFMUG] Is this a good time to get in Bitcoin ?????

[Gino A. Villarini]

https://www.bloomberg.com/gadfly/articles/2018-02-06/bitcoin-and-stocks-hav
e-more-in-common-than-you-think?cmpid=socialflow-facebook-business_cont
ent=business_campaign=socialflow-organic_source=facebook_medium
=social




On 2/6/18, 2:00 PM, "Af on behalf of Travis Johnson" <af-boun...@afmug.com



Gino A. Villarini


President
Metro Office Park #18 Suite 304 Guaynabo, Puerto Rico 00968

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on behalf of t...@ida.net> wrote:

>Well... it could either go back up to $12k in the next week or two... or
>down to $1,000.
>
>Flip a coin. :)
>
>Travis
>
>
>On 2/6/2018 10:00 AM, Kurt Fankhauser wrote:
>> Currently trading at $7,100 per bitcoin, thinking this may be a good
>> time to get in?
>

Re: [AFMUG] Is this a good time to get in Bitcoin ?????

[Gino A. Villarini]

Was $5k this morning…

From: Af <af-boun...@afmug.com<mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com>> on behalf of Kurt 
Fankhauser <lists.wavel...@gmail.com<mailto:lists.wavel...@gmail.com>>
Reply-To: "af@afmug.com<mailto:af@afmug.com>" 
<af@afmug.com<mailto:af@afmug.com>>
Date: Tuesday, February 6, 2018 at 1:00 PM
To: "af@afmug.com<mailto:af@afmug.com>" <af@afmug.com<mailto:af@afmug.com>>
Subject: [AFMUG] Is this a good time to get in Bitcoin ?

Currently trading at $7,100 per bitcoin, thinking this may be a good time to 
get in?



Gino A. Villarini


President
Metro Office Park #18 Suite 304 Guaynabo, Puerto Rico 00968

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Re: [AFMUG] OT: Movie Review (moviepass)

[Gino A. Villarini]

Dunkirk is one of those movies that you need to watch on Imax …

From: Af <af-boun...@afmug.com<mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com>> on behalf of Lewis 
Bergman <lewis.berg...@gmail.com<mailto:lewis.berg...@gmail.com>>
Reply-To: "af@afmug.com<mailto:af@afmug.com>" 
<af@afmug.com<mailto:af@afmug.com>>
Date: Monday, February 5, 2018 at 1:20 PM
To: "af@afmug.com<mailto:af@afmug.com>" <af@afmug.com<mailto:af@afmug.com>>
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT: Movie Review (moviepass)

The big issue with Dnkirk is it is exactly like watching the same 15 minute 
movie from 12 different seats.




Gino A. Villarini


President
Metro Office Park #18 Suite 304 Guaynabo, Puerto Rico 00968

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On Mon, Feb 5, 2018 at 11:12 AM CBB - Jay Fuller 
<par...@cyberbroadband.net<mailto:par...@cyberbroadband.net>> wrote:

wife suggested we go watch dunkirk as it returned to theatres in huntsville but 
we never made it back up there

- Original Message -
From: Chuck McCown<mailto:ch...@wbmfg.com>
To: af@afmug.com<mailto:af@afmug.com>
Sent: Monday, February 5, 2018 11:01 AM
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT: Movie Review (moviepass)

I really enjoyed The Darkest Hour.
Then I watched Dunkirk on Amazon.
Glad I did not pay for Dunkirk at the theater and glad I got to watch The 
Darkest Hour first so I could know what was going on.

From: CBB - Jay Fuller
Sent: Sunday, February 04, 2018 9:57 PM
To: af@afmug.com<mailto:af@afmug.com>
Subject: [AFMUG] OT: Movie Review (moviepass)


Hostiles.  Wow.  Prepare yourself before you go in that one.  Not really blood 
and gore but a storyline that'll tug at your
heart from the first scene.

Movies I have seen that I probably would not have seen without moviepass lately:

The Greatest Showman
The Commuter? (might have seen it anyway)
Hostiles

Movies I have seen that I would have seen anyway:

The Post
12 Strong
The Darkest Hour

Re: [AFMUG] [WISPA Members] 450m power

[Gino A. Villarini]

We don’t need no stinking kit! Lol, jut let us know the pipe  size en thread… 
we can make our own.

From: Af <af-boun...@afmug.com<mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com>> on behalf of Matt 
Mangriotis 
<matt.mangrio...@cambiumnetworks.com<mailto:matt.mangrio...@cambiumnetworks.com>>
Reply-To: "af@afmug.com<mailto:af@afmug.com>" 
<af@afmug.com<mailto:af@afmug.com>>
Date: Friday, February 2, 2018 at 6:07 PM
To: "af@afmug.com<mailto:af@afmug.com>" <af@afmug.com<mailto:af@afmug.com>>
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] [WISPA Members] 450m power

I see how you might say that… but we had established the SFP kits back in the 
PTP 650 days.  This was really because there were suspect-quality SFP modules 
floating around, and we wanted to ensure that water ingress (i.e. 
weatherproofing) was being done correctly when the fiber connections required 
extension from the body of the radio.

This will be changing in the near future in that we will start selling the 
extended gland separately (at a more reasonable price), and no longer require 
an “entitlement key” to enable the SFP port.  In the end, this means that you 
can buy your own SFP module and use it as you like.

Hope this might help change your view.

Matt

From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Eric Muehleisen
Sent: Friday, February 2, 2018 2:49 PM
To: af@afmug.com<mailto:af@afmug.com>
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] [WISPA Members] 450m power

Unfortunately, Cambium nickel and dimes you to use the SFP port.




Gino A. Villarini


President
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On Fri, Feb 2, 2018 at 2:21 PM, Forrest Christian (List Account) 
<li...@packetflux.com<mailto:li...@packetflux.com>> wrote:
The unique thing about the 450m is the SFP port.  The concept would be fiber to 
each radio for data,  and this box would be for power+sync.   It would include 
the GPS antenna in the box, etc.   Essentially you'd provide bulk power to this 
box, run a short CAT5 jumper to each radio for power/management, and a strand 
of fiber down the tower for management of it all.   That would get you 
management into each of the 450m's and power and sync.

For data, you'd put a SFP in each of the 450m's and run that down the tower via 
fiber.

At the bottom, you'd just have a fiber switch and a bulk power source.

This box would do double duty with small clusters of 450i.

On Feb 2, 2018 10:40 AM, "George Skorup" 
<george.sko...@cbcast.com<mailto:george.sko...@cbcast.com>> wrote:
Could be fine for a tower-top DC+fiber fed injector(+sync)-switch. Same concept 
as the UBNT edge thing. Consider that something like this would need a 10G 
uplink if you're going to be powering and timing a 450m cluster. You're 
probably going to want at least 500Mbps to each sector. So only a 1G pipe up 
the tower isn't thinking towards the future. Something I think a product like 
this would need is an integrated voltage regulator. And wasn't something 
similar kicked around in the past? Instead of a switch, make it a multi port 
injector+sync with media conversion. A strand or pair per radio. Or even CWDM 
mux.
On 2/2/2018 6:44 AM, Mike Hammett wrote:
and some of us hate switches in their network altogether.  :-)


-
Mike Hammett
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Re: [AFMUG] 450m power

[Gino A. Villarini]

we are using netonix IDC Sw to a Eltek rectifier.. Works like a charm

From: Af > on behalf of Ty 
Inc >
Reply-To: "af@afmug.com" 
>
Date: Thursday, February 1, 2018 at 8:07 AM
To: "memb...@wispa.org" 
>, 
"af@afmug.com" >
Subject: [AFMUG] 450m power

Good morning,

Looking for an all in one, but reliable, power source for 4 - 450m aps per 
tower.

I have heard netonix a few times but I have also heard about some issues with 
these devices and their support not being that great.

Tyson Burris, President
Internet Communications Inc.
739 Commerce Dr.
Franklin, IN 46131

317-738-0320 Daytime #
317-412-1540 Cell/Direct #
Online: www.surfici.net

VIA WIRELESS

Re: [AFMUG] Dc plant conversion

[Gino A. Villarini]

Ill take all your XL UPS

From: Af <af-boun...@afmug.com<mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com>> on behalf of Steve 
Jones <thatoneguyst...@gmail.com<mailto:thatoneguyst...@gmail.com>>
Reply-To: "af@afmug.com<mailto:af@afmug.com>" 
<af@afmug.com<mailto:af@afmug.com>>
Date: Monday, January 29, 2018 at 1:56 PM
To: "af@afmug.com<mailto:af@afmug.com>" <af@afmug.com<mailto:af@afmug.com>>
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Dc plant conversion

That looks to meet alot of our need, though the 48 volt

SAF recommended Eltek minipack system, i havent priced that

This is what most of our sites have (theres some depreciating ubnt sectors too)
4x EPMP access point/Paketflux injector/Meanwell DR-120-48
4x AP320/Packetflux injector/Meanwell DR-120-24
Sitemonitor/cambium wallwort
1-2 backhauls (unlic: epmp, ptp500, UBNT rocket) (lic: SAF or Mimosa)
RB1100AHX2 (AC power)
HP 1810 24g switch (AC power)

APC 750xl or 1000xl w/management card




This is probably one of our more heavily populated sites

4x ap320/packetflux/meanwell 48v
4x fsk/packetflux/meanwell 24v
4x EPMP/packetflux/ meanwell 48v
2x UBNT Nanobridge private APs/ubnt PS
2x SAF Lumina/ SAF PS (will be 1x lumina and 2x Integra soon)
3x UBNT rocket M5/UBNT PS
1x EPMP force 200/EPMP PS
1x PTP 650/Cambium PS
1x sitemonitor/cambium 29v PS
1x RB1100AHX2/AC power
1x HP 1810g 24/AC power

APC 1500XL + 2 External packs and management card


the AC fans run on the utility side because I dont have the battery budget


Cabling is a shitshow with all the AC powercords and branded power supplies too.

I assume the APC UPS runtime is wasted with all the power supplies.

Scalability is a factor as well, so far we havent justified 450m but may soon 
and we will roll some LTE in the near term which will add substantial demand


On Sun, Jan 28, 2018 at 9:39 PM, David Coudron 
<david.coud...@advantenon.com<mailto:david.coud...@advantenon.com>> wrote:
Here is what we are doing, I think this is close to what Steve is asking for:

Meanwell SDR-240-24 AC to DC power source:  $84
Meanwell DR-UPS40 Battery Float/UPS:  $37
Tycon TPDIN MonitorWeb2:  $131
24 V of battery backup $70-120 depending on the runtime looking for
Netonix 150 W or 250 DC switch:   $250-350  (This is really the only expensive 
component)
Heater:   $65
Fan:  $14

With this, we can run 5-8 hours on very small batteries, we figure we have 
several hours to get a generator to the site if power isn’t coming back.   We 
run all POE from the Netonix, it works really well.   Here are the other things 
we can do with the box:

  1.  Monitor temp in the cabinet
  2.  Monitor/alert on loss of AC line power through TP DIN
  3.  Monitor voltage of the batteries
  4.  Monitor voltage to the Netonix
  5.  Monitor Current to the Netonix
  6.  Monitor Current in/out of the batteries
  7.  Auto start the heater below 40 degrees
  8.  Auto start the fan above 80 degrees
  9.  Power cycle the netonix from the TP DIN
  10. Power cycle any AP, Router, Backhaul from the Netonix

We also put a Mikrotik router in this cabinet.   Usually a Hex POE (for small 
sites) or a 3011 for larger sites.

We have 13 in the field set up like this and are going 15 more right now.   
While it might be a little more than what you were thinking, it gives us a ton 
of control for pretty minimal investment per site.

Best part is, no coding necessary.  Doing all this with the Monitor Web2 
settings and/or SNMP.Let me know if you are interested in pictures.   For 
this second batch we have started using Terminal blocks to clean up the wiring, 
the cabinets look a little better, but we went to a smaller poly cabinet that 
makes things a little tight.

Regards,

David Coudron

From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com<mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com>] On Behalf 
Of Carl Peterson
Sent: Saturday, January 27, 2018 5:39 PM
To: af@afmug.com<mailto:af@afmug.com>
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Dc plant conversion

You can still do DC-DC off it and then hook up netonix.  If I had to do it now 
I'd go with the IDC switch.  When we did our design, the idc didn't exist so we 
just went down to 24V off of our A  and B sides and run a redundant powered 24V 
bus which all the netonix switches run on.

I better buy up another batch of Elteks before all y'all buy them all up. These 
are mostly decommissioned Sprint/Clearwire btw.

On Jan 27, 2018, at 1:02 PM, Josh Baird 
<joshba...@gmail.com<mailto:joshba...@gmail.com>> wrote:
A 12 port version would be nice.  Looks like the 26 port version is $600.

On Sat, Jan 27, 2018 at 12:59 PM, Gino A. Villarini 
<g...@aeronetpr.com<mailto:g...@aeronetpr.com>> wrote:
Used to, now with the IDC model is not needed (isolated dc)…

From: Af <af-boun...@afmug.com<mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com>> on behalf of Josh 
Baird <joshba...@gmail.com<mailto:joshba...@gmail.com>>
Reply-To: "af@afmug.com<mailto:af@afmug.com>" 

Re: [AFMUG] Cellular One approach to WISP

[Gino A. Villarini]

Some of the Benefits:

National Brand Awareness – huge plus when your brand is know and recognized as 
option #3 nationally

Standardized Operations – getting a bunch of WISP together and standardizing on 
the best operations procedures could be daunting but the benefits overshadow 
the initial work

Buying/Negotiating power – buying 100 radios vs 1 could be a great 
negotiating point, also when negotiating tower leases, fiber, ip transit etc..

Political / Lobbying – being  represented by ONE entity that is backed by 
hundred of thousands of subs will provide leverage when lobbying at FCC and 
other political maters. Ht wisp operator could be seen as one of the big boys 
in the table vs scattered small mom and pop shops…

Better prospect for exit/acquisition – Investors will take notice and as a 
conglomerate, there are better financial outlook in a exit strategy.

From: Af <af-boun...@afmug.com<mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com>> on behalf of 
Travis Johnson <t...@ida.net<mailto:t...@ida.net>>
Reply-To: "af@afmug.com<mailto:af@afmug.com>" 
<af@afmug.com<mailto:af@afmug.com>>
Date: Tuesday, January 30, 2018 at 11:19 PM
To: "af@afmug.com<mailto:af@afmug.com>" <af@afmug.com<mailto:af@afmug.com>>
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Cellular One approach to WISP

And honestly, what benefits are you hoping to gain?? A single name? Better 
pricing on equipment?

I'm not sure I understand what the ultimate goal would be, and if it would be 
worth the cost to "consolidate" hundreds or thousands of small companies.

Things are different now than they were in the early cell days... or the early 
cable days (as Rise/JAB is discovering). It seems like KeyOn was trying to do 
something similar to this, even going public, before dying a slow and miserable 
death.

Travis


On 1/30/2018 8:04 PM, Jason McKemie wrote:
I like the concept, it's going to be like herding cats though...

On Tuesday, January 30, 2018, Brian Webster 
<i...@wirelessmapping.com<mailto:i...@wirelessmapping.com>> wrote:
In this discussion should we have it, a history of the first cellular networks 
their evolution and when the industry started to explode would need to be laid 
out.  Starting from the early 80’s on up through. This is important because as 
Gino has suggested, the WISP industry is following a very similar path and has 
always suffered from brand/product image, recognition and understanding. 
Cellular phones back then suffered the same problem. The word cellular was 
understood as a biology term by most. The term “Car Phones” was better 
understood and only those who had a lot of money had those and it was a party 
line system with no privacy. People had them out of extreme necessity only. The 
concept of anyone other than the phone company being able to deliver a phone 
service would not have ever seemed possible to a consumer. At that time the 
breakup of Ma Bell was just happening. A person could easily start a cellular 
network, no spectrum auctions back then. Just apply to the FCC and pay the 
license fees.

Of an interesting side note, I had the opportunity to be working on a 
consulting project for AT in Portland Oregon years ago, we had to review 
leases, zoning approvals and other documents to determine if sites could be 
expanded and what work was required for same. Sometimes leases mentioned 
specific frequencies and antennas etc. so they might have to be renegotiated or 
modified to add data and new frequencies and antennas. In this process I had my 
hands on Craig McCaw’s first 4 cell tower leases on his first built cellular 
system. It was very cool to be holding that piece of history, his personal 
signature and all. Such an innovator that hadn’t hit his stride yet.

Thank You,
Brian Webster
www.wirelessmapping.com<http://www.wirelessmapping.com>
www.Broadband-Mapping.com<http://www.Broadband-Mapping.com>

From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com<mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com>] On Behalf 
Of Brian Webster
Sent: Tuesday, January 30, 2018 5:42 PM
To: af@afmug.com<mailto:af@afmug.com>
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Cellular One approach to WISP

I won’t be there.

Thank You,
Brian Webster
www.wirelessmapping.com<http://www.wirelessmapping.com>
www.Broadband-Mapping.com<http://www.Broadband-Mapping.com>

From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Gino A. Villarini
Sent: Tuesday, January 30, 2018 2:25 PM
To: af@afmug.com<mailto:af@afmug.com>
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Cellular One approach to WISP

Should we discuss it as session at wispamerica?

From: Af <af-boun...@afmug.com<mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com>> on behalf of Brian 
Webster <i...@wirelessmapping.com<mailto:i...@wirelessmapping.com>>
Reply-To: "af@afmug.com<mailto:af@afmug.com>" 
<af@afmug.com<mailto:af@afmug.com>>
Date: Tuesday, January 30, 2018 at 1:50 PM
To: "af@afmug.com<mailto:af@afm

Re: [AFMUG] Cellular One approach to WISP

[Gino A. Villarini]

Should we discuss it as session at wispamerica?

From: Af <af-boun...@afmug.com<mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com>> on behalf of Brian 
Webster <i...@wirelessmapping.com<mailto:i...@wirelessmapping.com>>
Reply-To: "af@afmug.com<mailto:af@afmug.com>" 
<af@afmug.com<mailto:af@afmug.com>>
Date: Tuesday, January 30, 2018 at 1:50 PM
To: "af@afmug.com<mailto:af@afmug.com>" <af@afmug.com<mailto:af@afmug.com>>
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Cellular One approach to WISP

Absolutely. I have had a method like this in my head for year. Craig McCaw 
really helped those independent operators when he created a national branding 
for the A side cellular operators that had to compete with the B side that were 
all the established ILECs. If there were an interested group of WISP’s who 
wanted to explore the concept I would be willing to have a conference call and 
discuss.

Thank You,
Brian Webster
www.wirelessmapping.com<http://www.wirelessmapping.com>
www.Broadband-Mapping.com

From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Gino A. Villarini
Sent: Tuesday, January 30, 2018 9:58 AM
To: af@afmug.com<mailto:af@afmug.com>
Subject: [AFMUG] Cellular One approach to WISP

Hey Guys

Those who know the history behind Cellular One, don’t you think this should be 
repeated in the WISP industry?

Re: [AFMUG] Cellular One approach to WISP

[Gino A. Villarini]

Jab/ rise buys and aggregates companies, Cellular One was more like a 
coop/franchise system

From: Af <af-boun...@afmug.com<mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com>> on behalf of Lewis 
Bergman <lewis.berg...@gmail.com<mailto:lewis.berg...@gmail.com>>
Reply-To: "af@afmug.com<mailto:af@afmug.com>" 
<af@afmug.com<mailto:af@afmug.com>>
Date: Tuesday, January 30, 2018 at 11:46 AM
To: "af@afmug.com<mailto:af@afmug.com>" <af@afmug.com<mailto:af@afmug.com>>
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Cellular One approach to WISP

I thought that is what JAB/Rise was doing.

On Tue, Jan 30, 2018 at 9:11 AM Timothy Steele 
<timothy.pct...@gmail.com<mailto:timothy.pct...@gmail.com>> wrote:

What do you mean? Cellular one is known as the worst company alive everywhere 
I've been

On Tue, Jan 30, 2018, 9:57 AM Gino A. Villarini 
<g...@aeronetpr.com<mailto:g...@aeronetpr.com>> wrote:
Hey Guys

Those who know the history behind Cellular One, don’t you think this should be 
repeated in the WISP industry?

[AFMUG] Cellular One approach to WISP

[Gino A. Villarini]

Hey Guys

Those who know the history behind Cellular One, don’t you think this should be 
repeated in the WISP industry?

Re: [AFMUG] Dc plant conversion

[Gino A. Villarini]

Used to, now with the IDC model is not needed (isolated dc)…

From: Af <af-boun...@afmug.com<mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com>> on behalf of Josh 
Baird <joshba...@gmail.com<mailto:joshba...@gmail.com>>
Reply-To: "af@afmug.com<mailto:af@afmug.com>" 
<af@afmug.com<mailto:af@afmug.com>>
Date: Saturday, January 27, 2018 at 1:51 PM
To: "af@afmug.com<mailto:af@afmug.com>" <af@afmug.com<mailto:af@afmug.com>>
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Dc plant conversion

Which Netonix are you running at - 48V?  Or are you using an isolated DC/DC 
converter in between the -48V rectifier and Netonix?

On Sat, Jan 27, 2018 at 12:49 PM, Gino A. Villarini 
<g...@aeronetpr.com<mailto:g...@aeronetpr.com>> wrote:
Refurb/ used Eltek/Valere –48 Rectifier shelf off Ebay  ~$400 + 1 Netonix IDC 
Switch $400… all done. You can power 90% of WISP gear

From: Af <af-boun...@afmug.com<mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com>> on behalf of Steve 
Jones <thatoneguyst...@gmail.com<mailto:thatoneguyst...@gmail.com>>
Reply-To: "af@afmug.com<mailto:af@afmug.com>" 
<af@afmug.com<mailto:af@afmug.com>>
Date: Friday, January 26, 2018 at 9:49 PM
To: "af@afmug.com<mailto:af@afmug.com>" <af@afmug.com<mailto:af@afmug.com>>
Subject: [AFMUG] Dc plant conversion

Any of you folks who know both dc plant and even more know small wisp budget 
interested in looking at our gear and power setup and giving realistic advice 
that doesnt have a 10 different 500 dollar components combined with a full time 
linux guy and a full time coder?

Id love you to do it out of the kindness of your heart, but i do have some 
advisory busget.

Im just tired of the apc ups waste and super ghetto runtimes on batteries 
coupled with having to accept we are destroying runtimes by letting the apcs 
die. please, somebody, please. Otherwise i have to go to the facebook 
groups, and thats like going to a mikrotik or ubnt forum.

Re: [AFMUG] Dc plant conversion

[Gino A. Villarini]

Refurb/ used Eltek/Valere –48 Rectifier shelf off Ebay  ~$400 + 1 Netonix IDC 
Switch $400… all done. You can power 90% of WISP gear

From: Af > on behalf of Steve 
Jones >
Reply-To: "af@afmug.com" 
>
Date: Friday, January 26, 2018 at 9:49 PM
To: "af@afmug.com" >
Subject: [AFMUG] Dc plant conversion

Any of you folks who know both dc plant and even more know small wisp budget 
interested in looking at our gear and power setup and giving realistic advice 
that doesnt have a 10 different 500 dollar components combined with a full time 
linux guy and a full time coder?

Id love you to do it out of the kindness of your heart, but i do have some 
advisory busget.

Im just tired of the apc ups waste and super ghetto runtimes on batteries 
coupled with having to accept we are destroying runtimes by letting the apcs 
die. please, somebody, please. Otherwise i have to go to the facebook 
groups, and thats like going to a mikrotik or ubnt forum.

Re: [AFMUG] Quick comparison between 80GHz and AF24

[Gino A. Villarini]

So lucky you can stretch mmw to those distances!

Gino A. Villarini
@gvillarini



On Jan 20, 2018, at 11:24 AM, Mike Hammett 
<af...@ics-il.net<mailto:af...@ics-il.net>> wrote:

https://www.facebook.com/thebrotherswisp/posts/1152763711515746




-
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Intelligent Computing Solutions<http://www.ics-il.com/>
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The Brothers WISP<http://www.thebrotherswisp.com/>
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<https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCXSdfxQv7SpoRQYNyLwntZg>

From: "Rory Conaway" <r...@triadwireless.net<mailto:r...@triadwireless.net>>
To: af@afmug.com<mailto:af@afmug.com>
Sent: Friday, January 19, 2018 6:02:41 PM
Subject: [AFMUG] Quick comparison between 80GHz and AF24

I haven’t run the numbers so please save me some time.  Which one has less fade 
margin at 3.5 miles?  I was going to use Siklu with a 2’ antenna.

Rory Conaway • Triad Wireless • CEO
4226 S. 37th Street • Phoenix • AZ 85040
602-426-0542
r...@triadwireless.net<mailto:r...@triadwireless.net>
www.triadwireless.net<http://www.triadwireless.net/>

“"Engineers believe that if it ain't broke, it doesn't have enough features 
yet."— Scott Adams

Re: [AFMUG] New cambium firmware release

[Gino A. Villarini]

Thanks!

Gino A. Villarini
@gvillarini



On Jan 20, 2018, at 2:24 PM, Forrest Christian (List Account) 
<li...@packetflux.com<mailto:li...@packetflux.com>> wrote:

I note that cambium officially released 15.1.3 on Friday.

Among other things this seems to fix a bug that some of my customers have 
encountered where the radios will lose sync and not recover without a reboot.   
A few of my customers have upgraded radios which were experiencing this issue 
on an ongoing basis to one of the Beta versions of this release, and so far 
this seems to have solve the issue.   As a result, If you're seeing this bug, 
I'd recommend that you try upgrading to 15.1.3


--
Forrest Christian CEO, PacketFlux Technologies, Inc.
Tel: 406-449-3345 | Address: 3577 Countryside Road, Helena, MT 59602
forre...@imach.com<mailto:forre...@imach.com> | 
http://www.packetflux.com<http://www.packetflux.com/>
[https://s3.amazonaws.com/images.wisestamp.com/icons/linkedin.png]<http://www.linkedin.com/in/fwchristian>
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<http://facebook.com/packetflux>  
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<http://twitter.com/@packetflux>

Re: [AFMUG] Tesswave antennas

[Gino A. Villarini]

They seem to resell Chinese antennas .. should not be too difficult to source 
those somewhere else?

Gino A. Villarini
@gvillarini



> On Jan 20, 2018, at 9:26 PM, Jerry Head <li...@blountbroadband.com> wrote:
> 
> +1
> 
> 
>> On 1/19/2018 1:58 PM, Colin Stanners wrote:
>> Has anyone dealt with Tesswave antennas? Trying to contact them since they 
>> seem to be the only company with 120deg dual-slant 900mhz sectors, but 
>> haven't received any replies.
>> 
>> Thanks,
>> -C
> 

Re: [AFMUG] Tycon Injectors

[Gino A. Villarini]

Its the same a Ceragon IP20

From: Af > on behalf of Chuck 
McCown >
Reply-To: "af@afmug.com" 
>
Date: Wednesday, January 10, 2018 at 11:58 AM
To: "af@afmug.com" >
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Tycon Injectors

Could probably spin a version.  What is special about this injector?

From: Mark Frost
Sent: Wednesday, January 10, 2018 4:00 AM
To: af@afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Tycon Injectors

Hi All,

Happy NY.

Thanks to everyone for the assistance on the injector front.

Is anyone aware of third party injectors that happily power (from a 48VDC/24VDC 
source) the Cambium 820S units? The Cambium ones are nice, but not really cost 
effective. I’m not exactly sure on the POE pin-outs...asking Cambium themselves 
hasn’t ended in success.

Cheers,
Mark


On 5 Dec 2017, at 02:45, Forrest Christian (List Account) 
 wrote:

The units I described are all 4 port units, except for the single port 
nonmanaged gig injector which is coming as soon as we can get the stuff 
together to put it on the web.  They are all specifically designed for small 
sites.

On Mon, Dec 4, 2017 at 8:50 AM, Mark Frost  wrote:
Nice, thanks for the info.

Our biggest issue is that not all radios are in the on physical location – some 
sites may only have 1 or 2 units.

From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Forrest Christian (List 
Account)
Sent: Tuesday, 5 December 2017 01:45
To: af 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Tycon Injectors

The product you're looking for is the packetflux powerinjector plus sync.
You'll need the external dc to dc converter.   You can jumper each port for 
different pinning and power source, so you can end up with native poe pinning 
for each radio type.

Add a din rail mounting kit to din rail mount it.

Add a SiteMonitor base unit, and you get remote power control.

Add a syncbox junior and you can do sync over power for the 450, assuming it's 
an AP.

If you're looking for something noncontrolled, I (PacketFlux) also have a 4 
port 10/100 poe injector which is din rail mounted and inexpensive.  There's 
also a single port and 4 port gigabit one coming like any day now (product is 
done, just have to get them on the website)

Chuck also has surge suppressors you can din mount and use as a poe injector. 
Also jumperable.

On Dec 4, 2017 8:28 AM, "Mark Frost"  wrote:
Hi All,

Long-time lurker.

Is anyone able to assist with the make/model of Tycon POE Injectors that are 
required for the below make and model of radios? I’m having a hard time getting 
my head around the Tycon part numbers. UBNT doesn’t make it easy either the way 
they swap 24/48.

My goal is to be able to come straight of a 48VDC rectifier/battery set-up. If 
the unit is 24V, ideally I’d like the 48-24 to be done by the Injector, but can 
run it though an isolated step-down if required.

* Cambium 450
* UBNT AirFiber24
* UBNT Rocket 5AC PTP
* UBNT AF-5X
* UBNT R5AC-PRISM

Is it true that some of the AirFiber24 Units are 48, and others 24?

Not 100% on Tycon. Utopia is something that is DIN mountable, but feel I may be 
pushing it!

Cheers,
Mark





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Re: [AFMUG] Gino in the news

[Gino A. Villarini]

Heading down to Galveston, then a Cruise home…

From: Af <af-boun...@afmug.com<mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com>> on behalf of Jaime 
Solorza <losguyswirel...@gmail.com<mailto:losguyswirel...@gmail.com>>
Reply-To: "af@afmug.com<mailto:af@afmug.com>" 
<af@afmug.com<mailto:af@afmug.com>>
Date: Tuesday, January 9, 2018 at 1:00 PM
To: "af@afmug.com<mailto:af@afmug.com>" <af@afmug.com<mailto:af@afmug.com>>
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Gino in the news

That's like  LA distance for me Luther's Barbeque is good and most 
Vietnamese restaurants as well in most of Houston area

Jaime Solorza

On Jan 9, 2018 9:13 AM, "Gino A. Villarini" 
<g...@aeronetpr.com<mailto:g...@aeronetpr.com>> wrote:
Hola desde Houston..

From: Af <af-boun...@afmug.com<mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com>> on behalf of Jaime 
Solorza <losguyswirel...@gmail.com<mailto:losguyswirel...@gmail.com>>
Reply-To: "af@afmug.com<mailto:af@afmug.com>" 
<af@afmug.com<mailto:af@afmug.com>>
Date: Tuesday, January 9, 2018 at 11:33 AM
To: "af@afmug.com<mailto:af@afmug.com>" <af@afmug.com<mailto:af@afmug.com>>
Subject: [AFMUG] Gino in the news

We have a celebrity amongst us Gino's company featured in Siklu press 
releaseway to Gino!!! Saludos.

Jaime Solorza

Re: [AFMUG] Gino in the news

[Gino A. Villarini]

Hola desde Houston..

From: Af > on behalf of Jaime 
Solorza >
Reply-To: "af@afmug.com" 
>
Date: Tuesday, January 9, 2018 at 11:33 AM
To: "af@afmug.com" >
Subject: [AFMUG] Gino in the news

We have a celebrity amongst us Gino's company featured in Siklu press 
releaseway to Gino!!! Saludos.

Jaime Solorza

Re: [AFMUG] 450M maximum length of Cat5e (Just for power)

[Gino A. Villarini]

Yeah but it requires over 50W iirc  vs a UBNT AP 8-10w

From: Af <af-boun...@afmug.com<mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com>> on behalf of Rory 
Conaway <r...@triadwireless.net<mailto:r...@triadwireless.net>>
Reply-To: "af@afmug.com<mailto:af@afmug.com>" 
<af@afmug.com<mailto:af@afmug.com>>
Date: Friday, December 29, 2017 at 12:22 PM
To: "af@afmug.com<mailto:af@afmug.com>" <af@afmug.com<mailto:af@afmug.com>>
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] 450M maximum length of Cat5e (Just for power)

Isn’t the 450m 48v?

Rory

From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Gino A. Villarini
Sent: Friday, December 29, 2017 9:19 AM
To: af@afmug.com<mailto:af@afmug.com>
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] 450M maximum length of Cat5e (Just for power)

Power consumption from the 450M is very different form a UBNT Unifi AP… just 
saying!

From: Af <af-boun...@afmug.com<mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com>> on behalf of Rory 
Conaway <r...@triadwireless.net<mailto:r...@triadwireless.net>>
Reply-To: "af@afmug.com<mailto:af@afmug.com>" 
<af@afmug.com<mailto:af@afmug.com>>
Date: Friday, December 29, 2017 at 12:04 PM
To: "af@afmug.com<mailto:af@afmug.com>" <af@afmug.com<mailto:af@afmug.com>>
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] 450M maximum length of Cat5e (Just for power)

If you use 23G Cat-6, you should be fine.  We just connected a Ubiquiti Unifi 
radio at 490’ and it’s running fine.  We used Primus direct burial cable for 
this run.

Rory

From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Andreas Wiatowski
Sent: Friday, December 29, 2017 7:15 AM
To: af@afmug.com<mailto:af@afmug.com>
Subject: [AFMUG] 450M maximum length of Cat5e (Just for power)

Good Morning,

We have a couple of large towers where we will be installing 450M with fibre.  
To power we, would like to use the CMM5 , but we are unsure if we can power the 
M sufficiently over such a long CAT 5 run.  Does anyone have the answer to 
this? We could see cat5 runs (Shielded and gell filled) of upto 500ft!

Cheers,

Andreas Wiatowski, CEO
Silo Wireless Inc.
1-866-727-4138 x-600
http://www.silowireless.com<http://www.silowireless.com/>
Wireless | Fibre | VoIP | PBX | IPTV

Silo Wireless is a Proud Member of:
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WISPA http://wispa.org
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Re: [AFMUG] 450M maximum length of Cat5e (Just for power)

[Gino A. Villarini]

Power consumption from the 450M is very different form a UBNT Unifi AP… just 
saying!

From: Af > on behalf of Rory 
Conaway >
Reply-To: "af@afmug.com" 
>
Date: Friday, December 29, 2017 at 12:04 PM
To: "af@afmug.com" >
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] 450M maximum length of Cat5e (Just for power)

If you use 23G Cat-6, you should be fine.  We just connected a Ubiquiti Unifi 
radio at 490’ and it’s running fine.  We used Primus direct burial cable for 
this run.

Rory

From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Andreas Wiatowski
Sent: Friday, December 29, 2017 7:15 AM
To: af@afmug.com
Subject: [AFMUG] 450M maximum length of Cat5e (Just for power)

Good Morning,

We have a couple of large towers where we will be installing 450M with fibre.  
To power we, would like to use the CMM5 , but we are unsure if we can power the 
M sufficiently over such a long CAT 5 run.  Does anyone have the answer to 
this? We could see cat5 runs (Shielded and gell filled) of upto 500ft!

Cheers,

Andreas Wiatowski, CEO
Silo Wireless Inc.
1-866-727-4138 x-600
http://www.silowireless.com
Wireless | Fibre | VoIP | PBX | IPTV

Silo Wireless is a Proud Member of:
CanWISP http://www.canwisp.ca
WISPA http://wispa.org
Brantford Brant Chamber of Commerce
Paris Chamber of Commerce
Cambridge Chamber of Commerce


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Re: [AFMUG] Remote generator start options packetflux?

[Gino A. Villarini]

Just slap one of these on your DC sites:

http://www.wholesale-smallengineparts.com/3kw-dc-battery-charging-generator
-48v60v72v-for-evehicles-p-3372.html


Its auto starts and stops depending on your batt voltageŠ also, it doesn¹t
need a external battery for auto start, it uses your battery for thatŠ.




On 12/22/17, 1:42 AM, "Af on behalf of Robert" <af-boun...@afmug.com on



Gino A. Villarini


President
Metro Office Park #18 Suite 304 Guaynabo, Puerto Rico 00968

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behalf of i...@avantwireless.com> wrote:

>Not from the manufacturer and _NOT_ cheap, but...
>
>
>http://www.genconnexdirect.net/honda_propane_modified_generators.htm
>
>
>
>On 12/21/17 9:31 PM, Seth Mattinen wrote:
>> On 12/21/17 8:33 PM, Forrest Christian (List Account) wrote:
>>> The target is the very small sites.   The ones where you're really
>>> only needing the $500 generator, if it would only start itself, and
>>> you're lucky to pull 20A.
>>>
>>
>>
>> The other problem is that there really doesn't seem to be many small
>> propane generators with electric start.
>>
>

Re: [AFMUG] Remote generator start options packetflux?

[Gino A. Villarini]

Ot buy a DC generador that start and stops At predetermined voltages...

Gino A. Villarini
@gvillarini






Gino A. Villarini


President
Metro Office Park #18 Suite 304 Guaynabo, Puerto Rico 00968

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On Dec 20, 2017, at 7:18 PM, George Skorup 
<george.sko...@cbcast.com<mailto:george.sko...@cbcast.com>> wrote:

Yeahbut Forrest doesn't make the generator control board anymore.

On 12/20/2017 5:01 PM, Lewis Bergman wrote:

I think packetflux is likely the easiest with the most to offer our of the box. 
I know if one other out of the box solution that cost about 3 times as much. 
First can not only start it but he can use his shunt to make sure it is 
actually started and producing current.

If you want to do it yourself you could work some coding and such but it 
doesn't sound like that is what you want to do. Arduino, raspberry pi, etc. 
Could do this but you have to build it all yourself. Not really fast but fun if 
you like that kind of thing.

You would need some electronics knowledge if you don't want to spend a few days 
googling. I guess you still have to know enough to make Google work.

Again, see Forest for his genset setup. I know a lot of people in this list use 
it.

On Wed, Dec 20, 2017, 4:39 PM Eric Kuhnke 
<eric.kuh...@gmail.com<mailto:eric.kuh...@gmail.com>> wrote:
assuming you have a generator that does auto-choke and is wired for electrical 
remote start, like the small generac units sold for RV use and similar... where 
all you need to do is turn on a relay for 4-5 seconds to crank a starter, then 
turn off the relay again.

one of these: http://tinycontrol.pl/en/lan-controller/

and one of these: http://tinycontrol.pl/en/relays-board-10a-v3/

or a thing like this: 
http://denkovi.com/ethernet-relay-card-5-channels-snmp-http-xml-real-time-clock-din-box


there are quite a few different DIN mount relay-controllers with basic http 
interfaces to turn on and off things. Some support things like receiving an 
snmp trap to trigger a relay for automated scripting.

On Wed, Dec 20, 2017 at 2:30 PM, Brandon Yuchasz 
<li...@gogebicrange.net<mailto:li...@gogebicrange.net>> wrote:
We are looking at adding a remote start to a generator at an off grid site we 
have and I am gathering information  on options at this point.

Right now we are all Solar at the site.  It’s a new site and if / when we draw 
down batteries beyond where we are comfortable we turn go to the site turn off 
the PV and start a generator manually and run a 48v battery charger on the 
bank. It’s a fairly low tech solution right now. We log in turn off the PV 
array and a guy goes out and pulls the rope on the generator and batteries 
start to charge. He then leaves and in three hours generator runs out of fuel 
and charging stops. Log back in turn the PV back on and that’s the end of the 
process.

We are considering a few different options at the site and I don’t want to 
complicate this to much by offering to much information to start. Ill go into 
more details later but for now I am looking for a way to start a (different) 
propane generator remotely during the dark months. Most likely once a week in 
December and January.

So assuming electric start is an options on the generator. What options do I 
have for throwing that “switch” from the office. I am positive I am not the 
first one of us to want to do this.

Thoughts everyone? I want to KISS so when I am not around others can do this 
with minimal training.

Thanks,
Brandon

Re: [AFMUG] OT..difference between Puerto Rico and El Paso

[Gino A. Villarini]

We party hard!

From: Af <af-boun...@afmug.com<mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com>> on behalf of Steve 
Jones <thatoneguyst...@gmail.com<mailto:thatoneguyst...@gmail.com>>
Reply-To: "af@afmug.com<mailto:af@afmug.com>" 
<af@afmug.com<mailto:af@afmug.com>>
Date: Wednesday, December 20, 2017 at 2:01 PM
To: "af@afmug.com<mailto:af@afmug.com>" <af@afmug.com<mailto:af@afmug.com>>
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT..difference between Puerto Rico and El Paso

In the USA heartland, this is called stalking




Gino A. Villarini


President
Metro Office Park #18 Suite 304 Guaynabo, Puerto Rico 00968

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On Wed, Dec 20, 2017 at 10:02 AM, Gino A. Villarini 
<g...@aeronetpr.com<mailto:g...@aeronetpr.com>> wrote:
The parranda is like a surprise party… a group go unannounced to a friends 
house and you start by yelling “Asalto” o “Parranda” and start singing 
traditional but very “party” sms songs… usually the unsuspecting host welcomes 
you to his home and provides drinks and traditional xmas food…  You sing until 
the host opens the door….

This usually starts about 9-10 pm and you go till morning… visiting several 
houses on the same night

From: Af <af-boun...@afmug.com<mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com>> on behalf of Jaime 
Solorza <losguyswirel...@gmail.com<mailto:losguyswirel...@gmail.com>>
Reply-To: "af@afmug.com<mailto:af@afmug.com>" 
<af@afmug.com<mailto:af@afmug.com>>
Date: Wednesday, December 20, 2017 at 10:40 AM
To: "af@afmug.com<mailto:af@afmug.com>" <af@afmug.com<mailto:af@afmug.com>>
Subject: [AFMUG] OT..difference between Puerto Rico and El Paso

NPR had report on Puerto Rico Christmas tradition of singing at night to get 
party going...called paranda...paranda means bar hopping or a drinking 
binge...we call ours, posada for this Christmas tradition like carolling and 
then invited in for hot chocolate...we serve tamales, bunuelos and sopapillas. 
It's based on Joseph asking for a place to spend night for his wife.

Jaime Solorza



Gino A. Villarini


President
Metro Office Park #18 Suite 304 Guaynabo, Puerto Rico 00968

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Re: [AFMUG] OT..difference between Puerto Rico and El Paso

[Gino A. Villarini]

The parranda is like a surprise party… a group go unannounced to a friends 
house and you start by yelling “Asalto” o “Parranda” and start singing 
traditional but very “party” sms songs… usually the unsuspecting host welcomes 
you to his home and provides drinks and traditional xmas food…  You sing until 
the host opens the door….

This usually starts about 9-10 pm and you go till morning… visiting several 
houses on the same night

From: Af <af-boun...@afmug.com<mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com>> on behalf of Jaime 
Solorza <losguyswirel...@gmail.com<mailto:losguyswirel...@gmail.com>>
Reply-To: "af@afmug.com<mailto:af@afmug.com>" 
<af@afmug.com<mailto:af@afmug.com>>
Date: Wednesday, December 20, 2017 at 10:40 AM
To: "af@afmug.com<mailto:af@afmug.com>" <af@afmug.com<mailto:af@afmug.com>>
Subject: [AFMUG] OT..difference between Puerto Rico and El Paso

NPR had report on Puerto Rico Christmas tradition of singing at night to get 
party going...called paranda...paranda means bar hopping or a drinking 
binge...we call ours, posada for this Christmas tradition like carolling and 
then invited in for hot chocolate...we serve tamales, bunuelos and sopapillas. 
It's based on Joseph asking for a place to spend night for his wife.

Jaime Solorza



Gino A. Villarini


President
Metro Office Park #18 Suite 304 Guaynabo, Puerto Rico 00968

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Re: [AFMUG] OT..difference between Puerto Rico and El Paso

[Gino A. Villarini]

We party harder….

From: Af <af-boun...@afmug.com<mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com>> on behalf of Jaime 
Solorza <losguyswirel...@gmail.com<mailto:losguyswirel...@gmail.com>>
Reply-To: "af@afmug.com<mailto:af@afmug.com>" 
<af@afmug.com<mailto:af@afmug.com>>
Date: Wednesday, December 20, 2017 at 10:40 AM
To: "af@afmug.com<mailto:af@afmug.com>" <af@afmug.com<mailto:af@afmug.com>>
Subject: [AFMUG] OT..difference between Puerto Rico and El Paso

NPR had report on Puerto Rico Christmas tradition of singing at night to get 
party going...called paranda...paranda means bar hopping or a drinking 
binge...we call ours, posada for this Christmas tradition like carolling and 
then invited in for hot chocolate...we serve tamales, bunuelos and sopapillas. 
It's based on Joseph asking for a place to spend night for his wife.

Jaime Solorza



Gino A. Villarini


President
Metro Office Park #18 Suite 304 Guaynabo, Puerto Rico 00968

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[AFMUG] OT: can i run a Blade SW without the Blade Chasis?

[Gino A. Villarini]

If I supply power directly?



Gino A. Villarini


President
Metro Office Park #18 Suite 304 Guaynabo, Puerto Rico 00968

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Re: [AFMUG] OT Star Wars movie

[Gino A. Villarini]

Good, I got a couple or pet peeves, but all in all It was good

Gino A. Villarini
@gvillarini






Gino A. Villarini


President
Metro Office Park #18 Suite 304 Guaynabo, Puerto Rico 00968

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On Dec 16, 2017, at 9:34 AM, Jeff Broadwick - Lists 
<jeffl...@att.net<mailto:jeffl...@att.net>> wrote:

I paid and I thought it was really good!  :-)

Jeff Broadwick
CTIconnect
312-205-2519 Office
574-220-7826 Cell
jbroadw...@cticonnect.com<mailto:jbroadw...@cticonnect.com>

On Dec 15, 2017, at 11:39 PM, Chuck McCown 
<ch...@wbmfg.com<mailto:ch...@wbmfg.com>> wrote:

It was pretty good.  Better because our Cisco sales folks gave me free tickets.

[AFMUG] Our NN statment

[Gino A. Villarini]

What do you guys think? Lots of customers calling!

Aeronet Statement on Net Neutrality

AeroNet, a ISP that provides advanced Internet services to Business and 
individuals in PR, USVI and Miami, applauds any action taken  that promotes  
innovation and advancement of connectivity for all consumers. In Aeronet’s  17 
years of history, our pricing structure has always been simple, unlimited and 
without any toll gates.  The placement and removal of Net Neutrality rules have 
not and will not modify our pricing policy.  We maintain our commitment to 
provide the fastest and most reliable service to our customers, with innovative 
solutions that fulfill our customers needs.



Gino A. Villarini


President
Metro Office Park #18 Suite 304 Guaynabo, Puerto Rico 00968

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Re: [AFMUG] OT BTC

[Gino A. Villarini]

Darwinism at its finest

From: Af <af-boun...@afmug.com<mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com>> on behalf of Lewis 
Bergman <lewis.berg...@gmail.com<mailto:lewis.berg...@gmail.com>>
Reply-To: "af@afmug.com<mailto:af@afmug.com>" 
<af@afmug.com<mailto:af@afmug.com>>
Date: Tuesday, December 12, 2017 at 8:33 AM
To: "af@afmug.com<mailto:af@afmug.com>" <af@afmug.com<mailto:af@afmug.com>>
Subject: [AFMUG] OT BTC

OMG
People are taking out mortgages to buy bitcoin, says securities regulator 
Joseph Borg. Coupled with accounts of credit cards and equity loans being used 
to obtain bitcoin, it raises the possibility of risk-taking investors being 
left deeply indebted or potentially even homeless.



Gino A. Villarini


President
Metro Office Park #18 Suite 304 Guaynabo, Puerto Rico 00968

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Re: [AFMUG] Bitcoin Worth Millions Stolen Days Before US Exchange Opens | Business News | US News

[Gino A. Villarini]

Ecoin FTW!

From: Af <af-boun...@afmug.com<mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com>> on behalf of Brian 
Webster <i...@wirelessmapping.com<mailto:i...@wirelessmapping.com>>
Reply-To: "af@afmug.com<mailto:af@afmug.com>" 
<af@afmug.com<mailto:af@afmug.com>>
Date: Thursday, December 7, 2017 at 2:29 PM
To: "af@afmug.com<mailto:af@afmug.com>" <af@afmug.com<mailto:af@afmug.com>>
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Bitcoin Worth Millions Stolen Days Before US Exchange 
Opens | Business News | US News

Or maybe the World Bank doesn’t like this one bit and sponsored the hack to 
scare people and have them running back to government sponsored paper money. 
Can’t imagine Rothschild’s were going to just sit there and let something they 
didn’t control take over like this. Their empire is way too big to just sit 
still and let a new system take hold.


Thank You,
Brian Webster


From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Steve Jones
Sent: Thursday, December 07, 2017 11:10 AM
To: af@afmug.com<mailto:af@afmug.com>
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Bitcoin Worth Millions Stolen Days Before US Exchange 
Opens | Business News | US News

Im wondering if it wasnt an internal graft. Josh was just nearing his payout, 
when this happenned hes like meh. How many thousands of others were in the ame 
spot. The wallet gets miraculously recovered with an apology to those who lost 
their near payout with a promise of "we will try harder" Thieves always doing 
thievy shit and stuff

On Thu, Dec 7, 2017 at 9:33 AM, Carl Peterson 
<cpeter...@portnetworks.com<mailto:cpeter...@portnetworks.com>> wrote:
Pretty much.  A good exchange keeps the vast majority of their funds offline, 
i.e on a usb key with a paper copy in a safe, and only keeps whatever float 
they need online and insures it.

On Thu, Dec 7, 2017 at 10:27 AM, Robert 
<i...@avantwireless.com<mailto:i...@avantwireless.com>> wrote:
So, if I have this right, someone cracked into someones "wallet" got their 
encryption key and used it to generate a new "transaction" that creates a new 
owner of the sum of bitcoin with a new encryption key and that act is added to 
the blockchain distributed database?

On 12/7/17 6:59 AM, Steve Jones wrote:
Not the same. You can identify that money in one way or another sonetimes, all 
the time if its cash and you wrote down the serials. Fdic doesnt insure your 
money. It insures the value of your money in its jurisdictional institutuions 
in exchange for you letting them use that value. They just choose the risk 
level theyre willing to take. Take 100 dollar bill to the bank, write down the 
serial. Come back the next day and withdraw it. Different serial, not your 
money, your moneys value.

The decentralized nature of cryptocurrency means there is nowhere to turn. 
There is no serial only transactions. Coinage aside thats where one of the many 
failures of cryptocurrency falls. The dark nature of it ensures there will 
never be anything about it that makes one bitcoin identifiable from another, if 
that were to happen, it would collapse.

Just wait until the bug is found that answers the initial question, and a 
duplicated and indiscernable wallet hits. Thats a matter of time. Then, noone 
even has to steal, they just invalidate your entire wallet with one 
transaction. With counterfeit money, you can identify it, destroy it, remove it 
from circulation without invalidating someone elses money.
Thats why fiat and precious metal backed currencies have an accompanying 
authoritative enforcement agency.

On Dec 7, 2017 8:42 AM, "Josh Reynolds" 
<j...@kyneticwifi.com<mailto:j...@kyneticwifi.com> 
<mailto:j...@kyneticwifi.com<mailto:j...@kyneticwifi.com>>> wrote:

Same as if somebody punches you and takes your wallet, or takes more
than the 250,000K the FDIC insures out of your $20mil bank account.

On Dec 7, 2017 8:26 AM, "Steve Jones" 
<thatoneguyst...@gmail.com<mailto:thatoneguyst...@gmail.com>

<mailto:thatoneguyst...@gmail.com<mailto:thatoneguyst...@gmail.com>>> wrote:

Recreating it is the same as counterfitting. If i lose 100 bucks
while im out. I cant wake up and when the hangover cures, just
print a new bill. Crypto currency is by nature "anonymous"
whoever posseses it owns it, not like a stock or bond thats got
a trail of identifiable ownership.
This is why it will never function as an actual currency, its
just a digital commodity with no inherent safety net. Even a
gold bar you can stamp. One bitcoin is theoretically
indiscernable from another, so even if you tracked it, you
couldnt prove ownership. With no central backing, even if you
could, theres no enforcement body to make anyone give it
back aside from a hard fork

On Dec 

Re: [AFMUG] OT slightly political

[Gino A. Villarini]

The accusations are of groping a minor…

From: Af <af-boun...@afmug.com<mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com>> on behalf of Chuck 
McCown <ch...@wbmfg.com<mailto:ch...@wbmfg.com>>
Reply-To: "af@afmug.com<mailto:af@afmug.com>" 
<af@afmug.com<mailto:af@afmug.com>>
Date: Thursday, December 7, 2017 at 2:07 PM
To: "af@afmug.com<mailto:af@afmug.com>" <af@afmug.com<mailto:af@afmug.com>>
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT slightly political

>From what I heard on the Dustin Hoffman deal, he only said things, didn’t 
>actually do anything.  At least with that one girl.  Just said some 
>inappropriate things to at 17 year old intern.

Some of this stuff is not binary.  If a woman has a see through top and no bra 
and plenty of jiggle, who is to blame if the guys notice?  The woman?  
Evolution?  So she claims that she felt harassed but the eyes on her boobs.  
Who gets fired etc etc.

I realize this is not the same thing as Harvey chasing young girls round in his 
hotel room, but it is shades of the same problem.  You can go to the extreme 
examples  of anything and say yes, wrong – always wrong.  Black and white.

But at the other end of the spectrum is a 10 year old boy stealing a kiss from 
a 10 year old girl.   She was cool with it until some of the other kids saw and 
started talking about it.  The the shit hit the fan, full court of inquiry, 
letters of contrition were written etc etc.  I never kissed her again.

From: Gino A. Villarini
Sent: Thursday, December 7, 2017 10:51 AM
To: af@afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT slightly political

35 years ago I was playing with legos…

An unwanted advance or a catcall are not getting anyone into trouble these 
days,  the accusations are far worse…

From: Af <af-boun...@afmug.com> on behalf of Steve Jones 
<thatoneguyst...@gmail.com>
Reply-To: "af@afmug.com" <af@afmug.com>
Date: Thursday, December 7, 2017 at 1:43 PM
To: "af@afmug.com" <af@afmug.com>
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT slightly political

So you think you should potentially lose your company for making an unwanted 
catcall or advance 35 years ago the same as you would had you done it today?

On Thu, Dec 7, 2017 at 11:40 AM, Gino A. Villarini <g...@aeronetpr.com> wrote:
Time should not determine if something is right or wrong.  Its a binary thing.  
You can’t be half pregnant.

Acceptable, tolerable or not spoken about does not equal correctness or right

It has long been know that powerful men prey on woman on Hollywood….

From: Af <af-boun...@afmug.com> on behalf of Chuck McCown <ch...@wbmfg.com>
Reply-To: "af@afmug.com" <af@afmug.com>
Date: Thursday, December 7, 2017 at 12:38 PM
To: "af@afmug.com" <af@afmug.com>
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT slightly political

I watched Dustin Hoffman get ambushed on a news show the other day.  The guy 
doing the questioning was grilling him on stuff that supposedly happened 40 
years ago.

Who is the same person they were 40 years ago?
Is there to be any allowance for increased wisdom, growing up, learning, 
changes of attitudes?
Is there to be any allowance for the era or environment in which the offense 
happened?

From: Adam Moffett
Sent: Thursday, December 7, 2017 9:09 AM
To: af@afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT slightly political

Reminds me of the Black Mirror episode called "Nosedive"
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nosedive
It's available on Netflix.

Basically, scoring on social media gets used for everything.  The prices you 
pay for services, whether you're allowed into a condo, whether you get to have 
and keep a job, how the police treat you.  I get the impression that it's not 
codified as law, just a fact of the presence of social media and ubiquitous 
access to it.  Basically the Facebook distopia.  It's a good episodeand a 
good series in general.


-- Original Message --
From: ch...@wbmfg.com
To: af@afmug.com
Sent: 12/7/2017 10:56:23 AM
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT slightly political

Maybe they could start with China’s citizenship score essentially ranking 
everyone’s behavior.

From: Nate Burke
Sent: Thursday, December 7, 2017 8:54 AM
To: af@afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT slightly political

Facebook and Google already have all the data of your likes/dislikes/beliefs 
(even one's you are not sure of).  Seems like the next logical step would be a 
compatibility matrix.  You are only allowed to interact with a potential date 
if you have >90% compatibility.  Otherwise your advances would be moot, and 
therefore unwanted.  Proximity devices would allow you to go into a club, and 
see all potential matches nearby.  As you approach, their name badge would 
either turn green or red.  If you get too close to a Red, it will start 
flashing, thereby alerting all close by to be on the lookout for potential 
harassing behavior.

On 12/7/2017 9:46 AM, Bill Prince wrote:

Yeah. Parse these two s

Re: [AFMUG] OT slightly political

[Gino A. Villarini]

35 years ago I was playing with legos…

An unwanted advance or a catcall are not getting anyone into trouble these 
days,  the accusations are far worse…

From: Af <af-boun...@afmug.com<mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com>> on behalf of Steve 
Jones <thatoneguyst...@gmail.com<mailto:thatoneguyst...@gmail.com>>
Reply-To: "af@afmug.com<mailto:af@afmug.com>" 
<af@afmug.com<mailto:af@afmug.com>>
Date: Thursday, December 7, 2017 at 1:43 PM
To: "af@afmug.com<mailto:af@afmug.com>" <af@afmug.com<mailto:af@afmug.com>>
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT slightly political

So you think you should potentially lose your company for making an unwanted 
catcall or advance 35 years ago the same as you would had you done it today?

On Thu, Dec 7, 2017 at 11:40 AM, Gino A. Villarini 
<g...@aeronetpr.com<mailto:g...@aeronetpr.com>> wrote:
Time should not determine if something is right or wrong.  Its a binary thing.  
You can’t be half pregnant.

Acceptable, tolerable or not spoken about does not equal correctness or right

It has long been know that powerful men prey on woman on Hollywood….

From: Af <af-boun...@afmug.com<mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com>> on behalf of Chuck 
McCown <ch...@wbmfg.com<mailto:ch...@wbmfg.com>>
Reply-To: "af@afmug.com<mailto:af@afmug.com>" 
<af@afmug.com<mailto:af@afmug.com>>
Date: Thursday, December 7, 2017 at 12:38 PM
To: "af@afmug.com<mailto:af@afmug.com>" <af@afmug.com<mailto:af@afmug.com>>
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT slightly political

I watched Dustin Hoffman get ambushed on a news show the other day.  The guy 
doing the questioning was grilling him on stuff that supposedly happened 40 
years ago.

Who is the same person they were 40 years ago?
Is there to be any allowance for increased wisdom, growing up, learning, 
changes of attitudes?
Is there to be any allowance for the era or environment in which the offense 
happened?

From: Adam Moffett
Sent: Thursday, December 7, 2017 9:09 AM
To: af@afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT slightly political

Reminds me of the Black Mirror episode called "Nosedive"
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nosedive
It's available on Netflix.

Basically, scoring on social media gets used for everything.  The prices you 
pay for services, whether you're allowed into a condo, whether you get to have 
and keep a job, how the police treat you.  I get the impression that it's not 
codified as law, just a fact of the presence of social media and ubiquitous 
access to it.  Basically the Facebook distopia.  It's a good episodeand a 
good series in general.


-- Original Message --
From: ch...@wbmfg.com
To: af@afmug.com
Sent: 12/7/2017 10:56:23 AM
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT slightly political

Maybe they could start with China’s citizenship score essentially ranking 
everyone’s behavior.

From: Nate Burke
Sent: Thursday, December 7, 2017 8:54 AM
To: af@afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT slightly political

Facebook and Google already have all the data of your likes/dislikes/beliefs 
(even one's you are not sure of).  Seems like the next logical step would be a 
compatibility matrix.  You are only allowed to interact with a potential date 
if you have >90% compatibility.  Otherwise your advances would be moot, and 
therefore unwanted.  Proximity devices would allow you to go into a club, and 
see all potential matches nearby.  As you approach, their name badge would 
either turn green or red.  If you get too close to a Red, it will start 
flashing, thereby alerting all close by to be on the lookout for potential 
harassing behavior.

On 12/7/2017 9:46 AM, Bill Prince wrote:

Yeah. Parse these two statements, and how they might come across verbally.

Don't! Stop!

Don't stop!



bp
<part15sbs{at}gmail{dot}com>



On 12/7/2017 7:44 AM, ch...@wbmfg.com wrote:
All young men trying to get a date could be classified as a predator.  There is 
the prey and the predator.  It is a matter degree.  Unwanted attention, 
unwanted proximity, unwanted touching.   Until the girl decided the kid is OK 
then the playing hard to get games morphs into no=yes and so forth.

Is a kid screwing up his courage to go in for a kiss at the end of a date 
risking becoming a criminal?

Hitting a good looking woman is now considered sexual predation.

NPR had a good example.  Good looking woman at a party.  George Clooney and 
Steve Buscemi both hit on her at different times.  Both use the exact same 
words.  Perhaps different deliveries but the exact same words.  The woman is 
mesmerized by the attention by George and feels harassed by Buscemi.

How can you codify how people are supposed to behave?

From: Jaime Solorza
Sent: Wednesday, December 6, 2017 8:29 PM
To: Animal Farm
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT slightly political

All sexual predators...from Top to bottom, regardless of party,  should be 
pecked to death...I have four daughte

Re: [AFMUG] OT slightly political

[Gino A. Villarini]

Time should not determine if something is right or wrong.  Its a binary thing.  
You can’t be half pregnant.

Acceptable, tolerable or not spoken about does not equal correctness or right

It has long been know that powerful men prey on woman on Hollywood….

From: Af > on behalf of Chuck 
McCown >
Reply-To: "af@afmug.com" 
>
Date: Thursday, December 7, 2017 at 12:38 PM
To: "af@afmug.com" >
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT slightly political

I watched Dustin Hoffman get ambushed on a news show the other day.  The guy 
doing the questioning was grilling him on stuff that supposedly happened 40 
years ago.

Who is the same person they were 40 years ago?
Is there to be any allowance for increased wisdom, growing up, learning, 
changes of attitudes?
Is there to be any allowance for the era or environment in which the offense 
happened?

From: Adam Moffett
Sent: Thursday, December 7, 2017 9:09 AM
To: af@afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT slightly political

Reminds me of the Black Mirror episode called "Nosedive"
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nosedive
It's available on Netflix.

Basically, scoring on social media gets used for everything.  The prices you 
pay for services, whether you're allowed into a condo, whether you get to have 
and keep a job, how the police treat you.  I get the impression that it's not 
codified as law, just a fact of the presence of social media and ubiquitous 
access to it.  Basically the Facebook distopia.  It's a good episodeand a 
good series in general.


-- Original Message --
From: ch...@wbmfg.com
To: af@afmug.com
Sent: 12/7/2017 10:56:23 AM
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT slightly political

Maybe they could start with China’s citizenship score essentially ranking 
everyone’s behavior.

From: Nate Burke
Sent: Thursday, December 7, 2017 8:54 AM
To: af@afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT slightly political

Facebook and Google already have all the data of your likes/dislikes/beliefs 
(even one's you are not sure of).  Seems like the next logical step would be a 
compatibility matrix.  You are only allowed to interact with a potential date 
if you have >90% compatibility.  Otherwise your advances would be moot, and 
therefore unwanted.  Proximity devices would allow you to go into a club, and 
see all potential matches nearby.  As you approach, their name badge would 
either turn green or red.  If you get too close to a Red, it will start 
flashing, thereby alerting all close by to be on the lookout for potential 
harassing behavior.

On 12/7/2017 9:46 AM, Bill Prince wrote:

Yeah. Parse these two statements, and how they might come across verbally.

Don't! Stop!

Don't stop!



bp




On 12/7/2017 7:44 AM, ch...@wbmfg.com wrote:
All young men trying to get a date could be classified as a predator.  There is 
the prey and the predator.  It is a matter degree.  Unwanted attention, 
unwanted proximity, unwanted touching.   Until the girl decided the kid is OK 
then the playing hard to get games morphs into no=yes and so forth.

Is a kid screwing up his courage to go in for a kiss at the end of a date 
risking becoming a criminal?

Hitting a good looking woman is now considered sexual predation.

NPR had a good example.  Good looking woman at a party.  George Clooney and 
Steve Buscemi both hit on her at different times.  Both use the exact same 
words.  Perhaps different deliveries but the exact same words.  The woman is 
mesmerized by the attention by George and feels harassed by Buscemi.

How can you codify how people are supposed to behave?

From: Jaime Solorza
Sent: Wednesday, December 6, 2017 8:29 PM
To: Animal Farm
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT slightly political

All sexual predators...from Top to bottom, regardless of party,  should be 
pecked to death...I have four daughters.  That Alabama pedophile would have 
disappeared.  End of story.

Jaime Solorza

On Dec 6, 2017 8:26 PM, "Steve Jones"  wrote:
I feel bad for that guy. hes about to get his rectum widened and not so much as 
mcdouble with cheese for dinner

On Wed, Dec 6, 2017 at 8:20 PM, Craig House  wrote:
Al Franken = injured chicken   LOL


From: "Chuck McCown" 
To: af@afmug.com
Sent: Wednesday, December 6, 2017 8:15:10 PM
Subject: [AFMUG] OT slightly political


One of my aunts married a guy that had a small factory farm.  He raised fryers. 
 Those chickens you get at KFC.  They were allowed to run around in a very 
large room.  Thousands of them per room, maybe tens of thousands.   He had lots 
of buildings with rooms like that.
There was this tiny conveyer of chicken feed (maybe 3 inches wide) that snaked 
round the room so they were never farther than a dozen steps from food.  I 
think it took 6 or 8 

[AFMUG] BTC @ $16.5K right now

[Gino A. Villarini]

Wow what a rally!

Re: [AFMUG] BTC now almost 1$6k

[Gino A. Villarini]

Then I got back in at $10,500 and just sold
this morning at $12,700.

It scares the hell out of me to have money sitting
there, especially when it could crash while I'm
asleep at night... but it's also so addictive to
make huge returns (16% after fees, etc. just this
month).

It's a huge bubble. There is nothing to support it.
When you buy in, you are counting on someone willing
to pay you more than you paid for it, but for no
good reason. It's the .COM era again, except without
the .COM. LOL

Travis


On 12/6/2017 2:28 AM, Gino A. Villarini wrote:

Still crying over the 85 I sold at $1k eachï¿1Ž2
you still have?

On 12/5/17, 10:37 PM, "Af on behalf of Travis
Johnson"
<af-boun...@afmug.com
<mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com> on behalf of
t...@ida.net <mailto:t...@ida.net>> wrote:

How high can it go?? When do you sell??
What's a "fair" return??

Travis










--
-Louis

NTInet
O: 803-533-1660 X 207<tel:(803)%20533-1660>
C: 803-997-0004<tel:(803)%20997-0004>

Re: [AFMUG] Bitcoin Worth Millions Stolen Days Before US Exchange Opens | Business News | US News

[Gino A. Villarini]

An while we discuss this , its almost hitting $16k…

From: Af <af-boun...@afmug.com<mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com>> on behalf of 
Mathew Howard <mhoward...@gmail.com<mailto:mhoward...@gmail.com>>
Reply-To: "af@afmug.com<mailto:af@afmug.com>" 
<af@afmug.com<mailto:af@afmug.com>>
Date: Thursday, December 7, 2017 at 10:43 AM
To: "af@afmug.com<mailto:af@afmug.com>" <af@afmug.com<mailto:af@afmug.com>>
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Bitcoin Worth Millions Stolen Days Before US Exchange 
Opens | Business News | US News

Yeah, but most of that applies to paper US dollars too. The main difference 
being that there's nothing like an FDIC insured bank where you can store you're 
Bitcoin without having to worry about it being stolen.

On Thu, Dec 7, 2017 at 8:26 AM, Steve Jones 
<thatoneguyst...@gmail.com<mailto:thatoneguyst...@gmail.com>> wrote:
Recreating it is the same as counterfitting. If i lose 100 bucks while im out. 
I cant wake up and when the hangover cures, just print a new bill. Crypto 
currency is by nature "anonymous" whoever posseses it owns it, not like a stock 
or bond thats got a trail of identifiable ownership.
This is why it will never function as an actual currency, its just a digital 
commodity with no inherent safety net. Even a gold bar you can stamp. One 
bitcoin is theoretically indiscernable from another, so even if you tracked it, 
you couldnt prove ownership. With no central backing, even if you could, theres 
no enforcement body to make anyone give it back aside from a hard fork

On Dec 7, 2017 8:17 AM, "Gino A. Villarini" 
<g...@aeronetpr.com<mailto:g...@aeronetpr.com>> wrote:
Right.. Same  idea

From: Af <af-boun...@afmug.com<mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com>> on behalf of Matt 
Hoppes 
<mattli...@rivervalleyinternet.net<mailto:mattli...@rivervalleyinternet.net>>
Reply-To: "af@afmug.com<mailto:af@afmug.com>" 
<af@afmug.com<mailto:af@afmug.com>>
Date: Thursday, December 7, 2017 at 9:38 AM

To: "af@afmug.com<mailto:af@afmug.com>" <af@afmug.com<mailto:af@afmug.com>>
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Bitcoin Worth Millions Stolen Days Before US Exchange 
Opens | Business News | US News

Right. But this is digital.

On Dec 7, 2017, at 08:24, Gino A. Villarini 
<g...@aeronetpr.com<mailto:g...@aeronetpr.com>> wrote:

Same as you steal paper money, you can’t deactivate the stolen notes and draw 
yourself new ones …

From: Af <af-boun...@afmug.com<mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com>> on behalf of Matt 
Hoppes 
<mattli...@rivervalleyinternet.net<mailto:mattli...@rivervalleyinternet.net>>
Reply-To: "af@afmug.com<mailto:af@afmug.com>" 
<af@afmug.com<mailto:af@afmug.com>>
Date: Thursday, December 7, 2017 at 9:09 AM
To: "af@afmug.com<mailto:af@afmug.com>" <af@afmug.com<mailto:af@afmug.com>>
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Bitcoin Worth Millions Stolen Days Before US Exchange 
Opens | Business News | US News

How do you steal bit coin it's digital currency. Can't you just deactivate 
whatever was "stolen", and re-create it, this digital currency is completely 
foreign to me.

On Dec 7, 2017, at 08:07, Jaime Solorza 
<losguyswirel...@gmail.com<mailto:losguyswirel...@gmail.com>> wrote:

https://www.usnews.com/news/business/articles/2017-12-07/bitcoin-miner-nicehash-reports-hack-theft-of-its-wallet
Jaime Solorza