[AFMUG] from Paul - List hosting

[Paul McCall]

Hi Everyone,

I wanted to jump in and let everyone know that we apologize that we are no 
longer able to stay on top of the Amazon instance associated with the list.  
Amazon has been great as a platform, it really has worked well, all up to the 
point where the hackers have caused us more grief than we are equipped to deal 
with any more.

For the record, AWS has been 100% (and I mean 100%) flawless in performance and 
consistency.  The problems a couple months ago and now, are of a nature of 
hacks from the outside world, of which we were able to mitigate them last time, 
and to some extent, again this time.  My main staff member who managed this, is 
no longer accessible to me, so problem solving on these hacks has been slower 
and less effective than I am comfortable with.   Therefore, it seems beyond the 
scope, long term, of what makes good sense for the list, for us, or for Chuck 
to have to deal with.

Pride is a funny thing, but we actually took pride in being able to provide the 
service, even absorbing the cost beyond what some have said is reasonable.  
Likewise, we are also proud to see AFMUG continue at its new home, under a new 
"group care" and our helping as much as we can with that effort.

Thank you for being patient as we move this all over to a new home.

Paul

Paul McCall, President
PDMNet, Inc. / Florida Broadband, Inc.
658 Old Dixie Highway
Vero Beach, FL 32962
772-564-6800
pa...@pdmnet.net<mailto:pa...@pdmnet.net>
www.pdmnet.com<http://www.pdmnet.com>
www.floridabroadband.com<http://www.floridabroadband.com>

[AFMUG] Any update on ePMP 3000 APs?

[Paul McCall]

Haven't heard much about a revised expected time-frame on these.

We have been trying to hold off instead of doing UBNT or Mimosa

Painful in a couple areas

Paul McCall, President
PDMNet, Inc. / Florida Broadband, Inc.
658 Old Dixie Highway
Vero Beach, FL 32962
772-564-6800
pa...@pdmnet.net<mailto:pa...@pdmnet.net>
www.pdmnet.com<http://www.pdmnet.com>
www.floridabroadband.com<http://www.floridabroadband.com>

Re: [AFMUG] Revisiting Backup LTE service - devices

[Paul McCall]

Looking for a 4g LTE solution that won’t kill me if several customers on a 
tower (that have the devices) start using it over a weekend while the tower is 
down.

These 2 look to be suitable for tower mgmt., but not necessarily a customer 
option (redundancy) at scale

From: Af <af-boun...@afmug.com> On Behalf Of TJ Trout
Sent: Monday, May 14, 2018 5:10 PM
To: af@afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Revisiting Backup LTE service - devices

twilio or hologram.io<http://hologram.io> might fit the bill, mikrotik w/ lte 
dongle or a netgear dual wan LTE router is the way to go for seemless failover

On Mon, May 14, 2018 at 2:02 PM, Paul McCall 
<pa...@pdmnet.net<mailto:pa...@pdmnet.net>> wrote:
We want to start offering our rural customers an LTE option as an on demand 
backup service.

I know Ting is commonly used, although it looks like $ 10 / GB is their cost.  
Seems a little high.

Verizon has some interesting plans once you talk to the right people, and their 
JetPack device is FREE through the end of the month.

What are you guys using?  Can you share details please?

Paul

Paul McCall, President
PDMNet, Inc. / Florida Broadband, Inc.
658 Old Dixie 
Highway<https://maps.google.com/?q=658+Old+Dixie+Highway+%0D%0A+Vero+Beach,+FL+32962+%0D%0A+772=gmail=g>
Vero Beach, FL 
32962<https://maps.google.com/?q=658+Old+Dixie+Highway+%0D%0A+Vero+Beach,+FL+32962+%0D%0A+772=gmail=g>
772<https://maps.google.com/?q=658+Old+Dixie+Highway+%0D%0A+Vero+Beach,+FL+32962+%0D%0A+772=gmail=g>-564-6800
pa...@pdmnet.net<mailto:pa...@pdmnet.net>
www.pdmnet.com<http://www.pdmnet.com>
www.floridabroadband.com<http://www.floridabroadband.com>

[AFMUG] Revisiting Backup LTE service - devices

[Paul McCall]

We want to start offering our rural customers an LTE option as an on demand 
backup service.

I know Ting is commonly used, although it looks like $ 10 / GB is their cost.  
Seems a little high.

Verizon has some interesting plans once you talk to the right people, and their 
JetPack device is FREE through the end of the month.

What are you guys using?  Can you share details please?

Paul

Paul McCall, President
PDMNet, Inc. / Florida Broadband, Inc.
658 Old Dixie Highway
Vero Beach, FL 32962
772-564-6800
pa...@pdmnet.net<mailto:pa...@pdmnet.net>
www.pdmnet.com<http://www.pdmnet.com>
www.floridabroadband.com<http://www.floridabroadband.com>

Re: [AFMUG] USF on interstate wave

[Paul McCall]

I am very interested in this question as well.  Looking to understand the rules 
of which USF taxes is not in place.  We have some fiber leases coming up where 
I want to structure things properly

From: Af  On Behalf Of Carl Peterson
Sent: Wednesday, April 11, 2018 7:45 PM
To: af@afmug.com
Subject: [AFMUG] USF on interstate wave

I know this has been covered before...  Got hit with a pretty substantial USF 
surcharge on a wave by Centurylink even after getting all taxes and fees 
estimated ahead of time by Level3.  USF wasn't in there but now they are saying 
pound sand.

This is a wave between data centers.  Just used for internet.  We don't sell 
VOIP.

Is there a way out of this?  Is USF appropriate on a wave with no phone service 
is involved?  Its kind of crazy at 21%

Re: [AFMUG] 320 SM

[Paul McCall]

We still use them Mark

From: Af  On Behalf Of Mark - Myakka Technologies
Sent: Wednesday, April 11, 2018 10:53 AM
To: af 
Subject: [AFMUG] 320 SM

Forrest posted he needed a 320AP for testing.  Apparently somebody is still 
using these things.  I have about a dozen SM's if anyone is interested.  Most 
were deployed, but think I have one or two still NIB.  Hit me off list if you 
need these.



--
Best regards,
Markmailto:m...@mailmt.com

Myakka Technologies, Inc.
www.MyakkaTech.com

--

Monday, April 9, 2018, 1:44:10 AM, you wrote:

I've never been able to procure a 320 access point for my lab, always been able 
to borrow one, and that's not a possiblity anymore.

Is there by chance someone on the list with a 320 access point on the shelf 
that they would like to get rid of for next to nothing?   I need it to power on 
and be able to receive sync, anything else I don't really care about unless it 
affects poweron and sync testing.   I.E. I don't really care if the rf side 
works reliably, but I would care if the sync is blown out, or the radio wasn't 
stable (crashes, reboots, etc) since those would impact my ability to verify 
proper operation of the radio.

--
Forrest Christian CEO, PacketFlux Technologies, Inc.
Tel: 406-449-3345 | Address: 3577 Countryside Road, Helena, MT 59602
forre...@imach.com | 
http://www.packetflux.com

Re: [AFMUG] Sitemonitor Question with Relay

[Paul McCall]

OK, that makes sense Forrest.  That demystifies things a bit

From: Af <af-boun...@afmug.com> On Behalf Of Forrest Christian (List Account)
Sent: Tuesday, April 10, 2018 1:56 PM
To: af <af@afmug.com>
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Sitemonitor Question with Relay

Depends on the load and how you wire it.

For smaller sites I've been known to use a small 24VDC fan for ventilation 
which consumes less than 1A, so I switch it directly with the relay.

If you get closer to the relay rating you should use an off board relay,  and 
then you use the on board relay to control the power for the coil of the off 
board relay.   The on board relay just carries enough current to power the coil 
which isn't that much except for very large relays.

On Tue, Apr 10, 2018, 11:45 AM Paul McCall 
<pa...@pdmnet.net<mailto:pa...@pdmnet.net>> wrote:
But, is the relay switching in the Packetflux bearing any of the load at any 
point?   I would think not, but the answers are a bit confusing, as though it 
is.

I would think most basic relays could be triggered successfully with much less 
than 2A

From: Af <af-boun...@afmug.com<mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com>> On Behalf Of 
Forrest Christian (List Account)
Sent: Tuesday, April 10, 2018 1:44 PM
To: af <af@afmug.com<mailto:af@afmug.com>>
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Sitemonitor Question with Relay

The relay is rated for 2A@30V, and 60W above that.

See https://www.mouser.com/datasheet/2/315/mech_eng_tx-1075670.pdf figure 1 on 
page 3 for a visual of this.

I'd recommend that you test the relay operation with an ohm meter before trying 
a circuit.  There should be conductivity between C and NC and none between C 
and NO when the value is set to zero, and opposite  that when it's set to a one.

If it doesn't work,  upgrade the firmware to the latest and try again. There 
have been a couple of relay bugs fixed in recent memory.   Also make sure that 
the relay on above and below rows  are set to a very high and low number since 
if that is enabled it will override the relay.

On Tue, Apr 10, 2018, 11:22 AM Paul McCall 
<pa...@pdmnet.net<mailto:pa...@pdmnet.net>> wrote:
Yeah,  I thought this would be the case, for some reason, Packetflux support 
led my guy to realize that it didn’t work that way.

SMH

From: Af <af-boun...@afmug.com<mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com>> On Behalf Of Bill 
Prince
Sent: Tuesday, April 10, 2018 12:38 PM
To: Motorola III <af@afmug.com<mailto:af@afmug.com>>
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Sitemonitor Question with Relay

The typical solution with a light-duty relay is to use it to control a heavier 
relay that carries the actual load.
-bp

--
bp
part15sbs{at}gmail{dot}com

On Tue, Apr 10, 2018 at 9:24 AM, Paul McCall 
<pa...@pdmnet.net<mailto:pa...@pdmnet.net>> wrote:
Yes, we know that, and have used it on lighter loads.  But, apparently there is 
a challenge on a heavier load as we described below.  Wanting to know if we can 
do what we want and maybe we just have the wrong external relay

-Original Message-
From: Af <af-boun...@afmug.com<mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com>> On Behalf Of 
Christopher Tyler
Sent: Tuesday, April 10, 2018 12:20 PM
To: af@afmug.com<mailto:af@afmug.com>
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Sitemonitor Question with Relay

Yes, there is a relay output on the siteMonitor II that you can trigger via 
SNMP or web interface.

--
Christopher Tyler
MTCRE/MTCNA/MTCTCE/MTCWE
Total Highspeed Internet Services
417.851.1107

- Original Message -
From: "Paul McCall" <pa...@pdmnet.net<mailto:pa...@pdmnet.net>>
To: af@afmug.com<mailto:af@afmug.com>
Sent: Tuesday, April 10, 2018 11:11:20 AM
Subject: [AFMUG] Sitemonitor Question with Relay

My service manager seems to be struggling with using the Sitemonitor Relay 
contact to trigger a 48 Relay that we want to use to power cycle the whole 
tower if necessary.  So, Packetflux states that the Relay control is maximum. 
30v 1amp.  So a little more than half the amps at 48v.

So, in the past (lighter loads on towers) we used this to trigger an external 
relay and "open" the ground to the main power feed going up the tower.  At 48v, 
we sometimes are around 2amp on the bigger towers, some perhaps a bit higher 
still.  (with a 48v relay).

We should be able to use the Sitemonitor to somehow accomplish it.

Can anybody comment on this?

Thanks!

Paul McCall, President
PDMNet, Inc. / Florida Broadband, Inc.
658 Old Dixie Highway
Vero Beach, FL 32962
772-564-6800
pa...@pdmnet.net<mailto:pa...@pdmnet.net><mailto:pa...@pdmnet.net<mailto:pa...@pdmnet.net>>
www.pdmnet.com<http://www.pdmnet.com><http://www.pdmnet.com>
www.floridabroadband.com<http://www.floridabroadband.com><http://www.floridabroadband.com>

Re: [AFMUG] Sitemonitor Question with Relay

[Paul McCall]

But, is the relay switching in the Packetflux bearing any of the load at any 
point?   I would think not, but the answers are a bit confusing, as though it 
is.

I would think most basic relays could be triggered successfully with much less 
than 2A

From: Af <af-boun...@afmug.com> On Behalf Of Forrest Christian (List Account)
Sent: Tuesday, April 10, 2018 1:44 PM
To: af <af@afmug.com>
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Sitemonitor Question with Relay

The relay is rated for 2A@30V, and 60W above that.

See https://www.mouser.com/datasheet/2/315/mech_eng_tx-1075670.pdf figure 1 on 
page 3 for a visual of this.

I'd recommend that you test the relay operation with an ohm meter before trying 
a circuit.  There should be conductivity between C and NC and none between C 
and NO when the value is set to zero, and opposite  that when it's set to a one.

If it doesn't work,  upgrade the firmware to the latest and try again. There 
have been a couple of relay bugs fixed in recent memory.   Also make sure that 
the relay on above and below rows  are set to a very high and low number since 
if that is enabled it will override the relay.

On Tue, Apr 10, 2018, 11:22 AM Paul McCall 
<pa...@pdmnet.net<mailto:pa...@pdmnet.net>> wrote:
Yeah,  I thought this would be the case, for some reason, Packetflux support 
led my guy to realize that it didn’t work that way.

SMH

From: Af <af-boun...@afmug.com<mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com>> On Behalf Of Bill 
Prince
Sent: Tuesday, April 10, 2018 12:38 PM
To: Motorola III <af@afmug.com<mailto:af@afmug.com>>
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Sitemonitor Question with Relay

The typical solution with a light-duty relay is to use it to control a heavier 
relay that carries the actual load.
-bp

--
bp
part15sbs{at}gmail{dot}com

On Tue, Apr 10, 2018 at 9:24 AM, Paul McCall 
<pa...@pdmnet.net<mailto:pa...@pdmnet.net>> wrote:
Yes, we know that, and have used it on lighter loads.  But, apparently there is 
a challenge on a heavier load as we described below.  Wanting to know if we can 
do what we want and maybe we just have the wrong external relay

-Original Message-
From: Af <af-boun...@afmug.com<mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com>> On Behalf Of 
Christopher Tyler
Sent: Tuesday, April 10, 2018 12:20 PM
To: af@afmug.com<mailto:af@afmug.com>
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Sitemonitor Question with Relay

Yes, there is a relay output on the siteMonitor II that you can trigger via 
SNMP or web interface.

--
Christopher Tyler
MTCRE/MTCNA/MTCTCE/MTCWE
Total Highspeed Internet Services
417.851.1107

- Original Message -
From: "Paul McCall" <pa...@pdmnet.net<mailto:pa...@pdmnet.net>>
To: af@afmug.com<mailto:af@afmug.com>
Sent: Tuesday, April 10, 2018 11:11:20 AM
Subject: [AFMUG] Sitemonitor Question with Relay

My service manager seems to be struggling with using the Sitemonitor Relay 
contact to trigger a 48 Relay that we want to use to power cycle the whole 
tower if necessary.  So, Packetflux states that the Relay control is maximum. 
30v 1amp.  So a little more than half the amps at 48v.

So, in the past (lighter loads on towers) we used this to trigger an external 
relay and "open" the ground to the main power feed going up the tower.  At 48v, 
we sometimes are around 2amp on the bigger towers, some perhaps a bit higher 
still.  (with a 48v relay).

We should be able to use the Sitemonitor to somehow accomplish it.

Can anybody comment on this?

Thanks!

Paul McCall, President
PDMNet, Inc. / Florida Broadband, Inc.
658 Old Dixie Highway
Vero Beach, FL 32962
772-564-6800
pa...@pdmnet.net<mailto:pa...@pdmnet.net><mailto:pa...@pdmnet.net<mailto:pa...@pdmnet.net>>
www.pdmnet.com<http://www.pdmnet.com><http://www.pdmnet.com>
www.floridabroadband.com<http://www.floridabroadband.com><http://www.floridabroadband.com>

Re: [AFMUG] Sitemonitor Question with Relay

[Paul McCall]

Yeah,  I thought this would be the case, for some reason, Packetflux support 
led my guy to realize that it didn’t work that way.

SMH

From: Af <af-boun...@afmug.com> On Behalf Of Bill Prince
Sent: Tuesday, April 10, 2018 12:38 PM
To: Motorola III <af@afmug.com>
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Sitemonitor Question with Relay

The typical solution with a light-duty relay is to use it to control a heavier 
relay that carries the actual load.
-bp

--
bp
part15sbs{at}gmail{dot}com

On Tue, Apr 10, 2018 at 9:24 AM, Paul McCall 
<pa...@pdmnet.net<mailto:pa...@pdmnet.net>> wrote:
Yes, we know that, and have used it on lighter loads.  But, apparently there is 
a challenge on a heavier load as we described below.  Wanting to know if we can 
do what we want and maybe we just have the wrong external relay

-Original Message-
From: Af <af-boun...@afmug.com<mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com>> On Behalf Of 
Christopher Tyler
Sent: Tuesday, April 10, 2018 12:20 PM
To: af@afmug.com<mailto:af@afmug.com>
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Sitemonitor Question with Relay

Yes, there is a relay output on the siteMonitor II that you can trigger via 
SNMP or web interface.

--
Christopher Tyler
MTCRE/MTCNA/MTCTCE/MTCWE
Total Highspeed Internet Services
417.851.1107

- Original Message -
From: "Paul McCall" <pa...@pdmnet.net<mailto:pa...@pdmnet.net>>
To: af@afmug.com<mailto:af@afmug.com>
Sent: Tuesday, April 10, 2018 11:11:20 AM
Subject: [AFMUG] Sitemonitor Question with Relay

My service manager seems to be struggling with using the Sitemonitor Relay 
contact to trigger a 48 Relay that we want to use to power cycle the whole 
tower if necessary.  So, Packetflux states that the Relay control is maximum. 
30v 1amp.  So a little more than half the amps at 48v.

So, in the past (lighter loads on towers) we used this to trigger an external 
relay and "open" the ground to the main power feed going up the tower.  At 48v, 
we sometimes are around 2amp on the bigger towers, some perhaps a bit higher 
still.  (with a 48v relay).

We should be able to use the Sitemonitor to somehow accomplish it.

Can anybody comment on this?

Thanks!

Paul McCall, President
PDMNet, Inc. / Florida Broadband, Inc.
658 Old Dixie Highway
Vero Beach, FL 32962
772-564-6800
pa...@pdmnet.net<mailto:pa...@pdmnet.net><mailto:pa...@pdmnet.net<mailto:pa...@pdmnet.net>>
www.pdmnet.com<http://www.pdmnet.com><http://www.pdmnet.com>
www.floridabroadband.com<http://www.floridabroadband.com><http://www.floridabroadband.com>

Re: [AFMUG] Sitemonitor Question with Relay

[Paul McCall]

Yes, we know that, and have used it on lighter loads.  But, apparently there is 
a challenge on a heavier load as we described below.  Wanting to know if we can 
do what we want and maybe we just have the wrong external relay

-Original Message-
From: Af <af-boun...@afmug.com> On Behalf Of Christopher Tyler
Sent: Tuesday, April 10, 2018 12:20 PM
To: af@afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Sitemonitor Question with Relay

Yes, there is a relay output on the siteMonitor II that you can trigger via 
SNMP or web interface.

-- 
Christopher Tyler 
MTCRE/MTCNA/MTCTCE/MTCWE 
Total Highspeed Internet Services 
417.851.1107

- Original Message -
From: "Paul McCall" <pa...@pdmnet.net>
To: af@afmug.com
Sent: Tuesday, April 10, 2018 11:11:20 AM
Subject: [AFMUG] Sitemonitor Question with Relay

My service manager seems to be struggling with using the Sitemonitor Relay 
contact to trigger a 48 Relay that we want to use to power cycle the whole 
tower if necessary.  So, Packetflux states that the Relay control is maximum. 
30v 1amp.  So a little more than half the amps at 48v.

So, in the past (lighter loads on towers) we used this to trigger an external 
relay and "open" the ground to the main power feed going up the tower.  At 48v, 
we sometimes are around 2amp on the bigger towers, some perhaps a bit higher 
still.  (with a 48v relay).

We should be able to use the Sitemonitor to somehow accomplish it.

Can anybody comment on this?

Thanks!

Paul McCall, President
PDMNet, Inc. / Florida Broadband, Inc.
658 Old Dixie Highway
Vero Beach, FL 32962
772-564-6800
pa...@pdmnet.net<mailto:pa...@pdmnet.net>
www.pdmnet.com<http://www.pdmnet.com>
www.floridabroadband.com<http://www.floridabroadband.com>

[AFMUG] Sitemonitor Question with Relay

[Paul McCall]

My service manager seems to be struggling with using the Sitemonitor Relay 
contact to trigger a 48 Relay that we want to use to power cycle the whole 
tower if necessary.  So, Packetflux states that the Relay control is maximum. 
30v 1amp.  So a little more than half the amps at 48v.

So, in the past (lighter loads on towers) we used this to trigger an external 
relay and "open" the ground to the main power feed going up the tower.  At 48v, 
we sometimes are around 2amp on the bigger towers, some perhaps a bit higher 
still.  (with a 48v relay).

We should be able to use the Sitemonitor to somehow accomplish it.

Can anybody comment on this?

Thanks!

Paul McCall, President
PDMNet, Inc. / Florida Broadband, Inc.
658 Old Dixie Highway
Vero Beach, FL 32962
772-564-6800
pa...@pdmnet.net<mailto:pa...@pdmnet.net>
www.pdmnet.com<http://www.pdmnet.com>
www.floridabroadband.com<http://www.floridabroadband.com>

Re: [AFMUG] OT...gig for Empty Bowls..

[Paul McCall]

cool!

From: Af [af-boun...@afmug.com] on behalf of Jaime Solorza 
[losguyswirel...@gmail.com]
Sent: Saturday, April 07, 2018 5:25 PM
To: Animal Farm
Subject: [AFMUG] OT...gig for Empty Bowls..

We played for a charity event that raises money for fighting hunger this 
morning..raised 43,000.00!!!
Yours truly ripping a solo on I am a Man...
Jaime Solorza

Re: [AFMUG] Traco BCMU360 24 or 48v

[Paul McCall]

Be aware that the BCMU-360 does the following:

Only sustains at 240w
Only outputs about 45v when running on batteries.  We have started using a step 
up kit to bring it back to 48v+

Paul

From: Af  On Behalf Of Darin Steffl
Sent: Tuesday, April 3, 2018 4:50 PM
To: af@afmug.com; memb...@wispa.org
Subject: [AFMUG] Traco BCMU360 24 or 48v

Hey guys,

We're looking at fine tuning our DC power solution for sites using more than 
75w of power.

We're setting in with using the Traco BCMU-360 with a Meanwell SDR-240-24 or 48 
volts power supply.

If we're using the Traco UPS unit, is there any advantage to using 24v vs 48v 
power supply? It will only be powering a Netonix DC switch and the BCMU only 
needs a 12v battery.

Also, we're looking at SiteMonitor to monitor the battery voltage and grid 
power as well. Do you recommend this or the Tycon webmonitor (TPDIN)?

Thanks

--
Darin Steffl
Minnesota WiFi
www.mnwifi.com
507-634-WiFi
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[AFMUG] RP-5AC-Gen2 success stories?

[Paul McCall]

We are considering trying the RP-5AC-Gen2  radios.

We have a couple areas of the network we need to upgrade now if possible.  
Can't wait until August or whenever to get ePMP3000 APs in the air

So, I have heard that UBNT finally has their stuff together on the GPS sync.  I 
need to use 40 MHz channels and Frequency reuse on the first tower in question 
that is currently running the original 450 series APs

Yes, I know it won't sync with the rest of the network but the tower in 
question already doesn't sync with a nearby ePMP tower.

So..

Interested in others opinions on this.



Paul McCall, President
PDMNet, Inc. / Florida Broadband, Inc.
658 Old Dixie Highway
Vero Beach, FL 32962
772-564-6800
pa...@pdmnet.net<mailto:pa...@pdmnet.net>
www.pdmnet.com<http://www.pdmnet.com>
www.floridabroadband.com<http://www.floridabroadband.com>

[AFMUG] DDOS protection

[Paul McCall]

Anybody used a device like this at Layer 2 in between your core and an 
upstream?   Purpose: Protection / Mitigation of DDOS attacks.

http://www.serveru.us/en/

We have 1 Gbit interfaces currently, but that will jump up to 10Gbit interfaces 
soon.

Paul

Paul McCall, President
PDMNet, Inc. / Florida Broadband, Inc.
658 Old Dixie Highway
Vero Beach, FL 32962
772-564-6800
pa...@pdmnet.net<mailto:pa...@pdmnet.net>
www.pdmnet.com<http://www.pdmnet.com>
www.floridabroadband.com<http://www.floridabroadband.com>

[AFMUG] TIME SENT 12:28pm

[Paul McCall]

Paul McCall, President
PDMNet, Inc. / Florida Broadband, Inc.
658 Old Dixie Highway
Vero Beach, FL 32962
772-564-6800
pa...@pdmnet.net<mailto:pa...@pdmnet.net>
www.pdmnet.com<http://www.pdmnet.com>
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[AFMUG] test sent 6:58pm Sunday

[Paul McCall]

test

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[AFMUG] AFMUG Members - list problem

[Paul McCall]

Hello,

I just wanted to touch base with everyone.  As you are probably aware, we have 
had a problem with the AFMUG list being VERY slow, like from may hours to a 
couple days behind on postings to the list.

It is something we have working through and expect a resolution to within 48 
hours.  We apologize for the inconvenience.

Thank you for your patience.

Paul McCall, President
PDMNet, Inc. / Florida Broadband, Inc.
658 Old Dixie Highway
Vero Beach, FL 32962
772-564-6800
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[AFMUG] LIST BEING SLOW - VERY SLOW...

[Paul McCall]

Guys,

Over the weekend, we became aware that the list has been very slow.  We are 
digging in this AM as we all had a busy weekend here.  It appears that there 
might be some form of attack against the list from overseas.

Steve, who did you tick off?

Anyway, we will get it figured out and back to normal.  Of course, by the time 
you see this, you probably wont know that we are working on it.

Paul McCall, President
PDMNet, Inc. / Florida Broadband, Inc.
658 Old Dixie Highway
Vero Beach, FL 32962
772-564-6800
pa...@pdmnet.net<mailto:pa...@pdmnet.net>
www.pdmnet.com<http://www.pdmnet.com>
www.floridabroadband.com<http://www.floridabroadband.com>

Re: [AFMUG] test

[Paul McCall]

Seeing who is paying attention.

From: Af <af-boun...@afmug.com> On Behalf Of Lewis Bergman
Sent: Thursday, March 15, 2018 7:51 AM
To: af@afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] test

What are you testing?
On Wed, Mar 14, 2018, 5:58 AM Paul McCall 
<pa...@pdmnet.net<mailto:pa...@pdmnet.net>> wrote:

Re: [AFMUG] AnimalFarm Summer Session

[Paul McCall]

I’m in !

From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Chuck McCown
Sent: Thursday, March 8, 2018 9:12 AM
To: af@afmug.com
Subject: [AFMUG] AnimalFarm Summer Session

Second week of June.
Day 1 in a hotel meeting room near SLC Airport.
Day 2 my place about 15 minutes West of the SLC Airport.

Tentative Topics
Fiber topology and system design options
Splicing
Materials
Equipment
System Costs

Horizontal Directional Drilling operation
Vacuum Excavation operation
Vibratory plow
Splicing Trailers
Trenching
Missile/Hole Hawg

Going to try to get Ditch Witch and Vermeer to bring their toys.
But if the don’t want to do that I have my own.

[AFMUG] test

[Paul McCall]

Re: [AFMUG] Epmp 3000

[Paul McCall]

That is correct Mark.

From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Mark Radabaugh
Sent: Tuesday, March 13, 2018 8:12 AM
To: af@afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Epmp 3000

To be fair by the time Cambium (really Motorola) gave up there was very little 
point left in it.   Having a 450AP slow down enough to talk to a 2X FSK radio 
at 14Mbps meant you might as well not put up a 450AP.We are finding it 
painful to have 430SM’s on 450 AP’s for the same reason and are having to pull 
those off the network due to the capacity hit on the AP’s.  It’s nice that we 
can do that gradually, but there is no way I would want to have FSK SM’s on a 
450i or 450m AP.

Mark


On Mar 12, 2018, at 3:27 PM, Matt Mangriotis 
>
 wrote:

We’re good at it… we can’t work miracles!


Matt

From: Af > On Behalf Of Josh 
Luthman
Sent: Monday, March 12, 2018 11:04 AM
To: af@afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Epmp 3000

*cough* FSK and OFDM combo with integrated GPS *cough*


Josh Luthman
Office: 937-552-2340
Direct: 937-552-2343
1100 Wayne St
Suite 1337
Troy, OH 45373

On Mon, Mar 12, 2018 at 10:33 AM, Justin Wilson 
> wrote:
FYI, Cambium is very good at this.  Look at the 400 series.  430 would connect 
to 450 which gave longer life to the 430s.  You didn’t get all the cool 
features of the 450, but the clients worked.  ePMP is following the same 
philosophy.  If anyone out there is wanting to try ePMP can hook you up with 
some great promotions. I am certified Cambium consultant and have some pretty 
cool options for folks new to ePMP.


Justin Wilson
j...@mtin.net

www.mtin.net
www.midwest-ix.com



On Mar 12, 2018, at 9:56 AM, Darin Steffl 
> wrote:

This is from the horse's mouth. It says Q1 for compatibility with ePMP 2000.

This document is from January though so maybe that firmware will be a little 
later like Q2.

On Mon, Mar 12, 2018 at 8:46 AM, Mike Hammett 
> wrote:
In Vegas it wouldn't, but they must have agreed to make it happen. Hopefully 
that's not the reason behind the delay.


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Solutions
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Exchange

[AFMUG] Generic LTE CPEs used with Baicells, Telrad etc.

[Paul McCall]

What CPEs are you using on the LTE gear?   From most powerful to most 
cost-effective?

We are using the ones that Baicells sells with their gear, but looking to 
sharpen our pencil on the scenario as we have a couple hundred users to roll 
out in the next 90 days. (hopefully)

Has anyone pulled some in from China directly?   We have some experience with 
importing "widgets" from China, so that would be quite appealing, if anyone has 
experience with that

Paul

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PDMNet, Inc. / Florida Broadband, Inc.
658 Old Dixie Highway
Vero Beach, FL 32962
772-564-6800
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Re: [AFMUG] unsubscribe

[Paul McCall]

Richard,

Nobody has ever had that problem to my knowledge (failure to unsubscribe)

My main tech has been out for a bit, but I will have him look this AM

Paul

From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Richard Pedersen
Sent: Wednesday, February 28, 2018 6:52 PM
To: af@afmug.com
Subject: [AFMUG] unsubscribe

How do I get off this list?  I have done everything possible to no avail  
Emailing the operators of this list doesn't get any response. the unsubscribe 
doesn't work either.  I have been trying for 2 weeks this is a last ditch effort

Re: [AFMUG] Pledge drive

[Paul McCall]

Steve, you crack me up.  I think I could blow bubbles in my tub and pretend I 
am snorkeling… maybe

From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Steve Jones
Sent: Wednesday, February 21, 2018 12:43 PM
To: af@afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Pledge drive

I heard hes on an afmug funded cruise

On Wed, Feb 21, 2018 at 11:02 AM, Chuck McCown 
<ch...@wbmfg.com<mailto:ch...@wbmfg.com>> wrote:
Not yet.

From: Craig Schmaderer
Sent: Wednesday, February 21, 2018 9:19 AM
To: af@afmug.com<mailto:af@afmug.com>
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Pledge drive

Did Paul ever let us know what the current cost and deficit is?

From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com<mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com>] On Behalf 
Of Chuck McCown
Sent: Tuesday, February 20, 2018 8:51 AM
To: af@afmug.com<mailto:af@afmug.com>
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Pledge drive

We used to allow all AnimalFarm sponsors to do exactly this.  Every Friday 
morning.  Perhaps a time to revisit the issue...  Good way to build a kitty for 
Paul.

From: TJ Trout
Sent: Monday, February 19, 2018 8:51 PM
To: af@afmug.com<mailto:af@afmug.com>
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Pledge drive

Chuck could consider allowing vendors to post ad's on a specific day and time 
for a specific fee, but that's a whole other animal to deal with, the plus 
would be he could add like *SPONSORED AD* to the title which we can all filter 
straight to spam if desired 

On Mon, Feb 19, 2018 at 1:56 PM, Paul McCall 
<pa...@pdmnet.net<mailto:pa...@pdmnet.net>> wrote:
Its is Overkill, providing your time has no value to chase down why X Mail 
server can’t be delivered to, or why X mail server has undefined bounces or x 
firewall system thinks it’s spam, etc. etc.

Amazon never goes down, never gets blacklisted.

If you are cool with bulk mailserver drama, then have a go at switching, and 
managing that aspect.   

AES is not the cheapest option no doubt.  This was a choice Chuck and I made to 
make sure it “just worked” because we all have businesses that, hopefully, are 
successful enough to not want to fuss with it.

Paul



From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Matt Hoppes
Sent: Sunday, February 18, 2018 2:13 PM
To: af@afmug.com<mailto:af@afmug.com>
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Pledge drive

What is SES?  Amazon?

That seems overkill for a mailing list.

On Feb 18, 2018, at 14:09, Mike Hammett 
<af...@ics-il.net<mailto:af...@ics-il.net>> wrote:
SES


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From: "Matt Hoppes" 
<mattli...@rivervalleyinternet.net<mailto:mattli...@rivervalleyinternet.net>>
To: af@afmug.com<mailto:af@afmug.com>
Sent: Sunday, February 18, 2018 1:05:36 PM
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Pledge drive
Support of what???

What the heck costs that much?

Mailman takes all of 10 minutes to install and just lives after that.

On Feb 18, 2018, at 13:52, Ryan Ray 
<ryan...@gmail.com<mailto:ryan...@gmail.com>> wrote:

Last time this was brought up the cost was $3000 for the year including 
support, $1800 not including support.

On Sun, Feb 18, 2018 at 10:41 AM, Matt Hoppes 
<mattli...@rivervalleyinternet.net<mailto:mattli...@rivervalleyinternet.net>> 
wrote:
Can it really be more than $5

How much memory, CPU, and storage can a mailing list take when virtualized?

On Feb 18, 2018, at 13:20, Keefe John 
<keefe...@ethoplex.com<mailto:keefe...@ethoplex.com>> wrote:
Just curious, what are the monthly costs to operate this list?
On February 18, 2018 11:13:54 AM CST, Chuck McCown 
<ch...@wbmfg.com<mailto:ch...@wbmfg.com>> wrote:

I notice it has been a while since we pushed a bit to help fund the
not-insignificant AWS expense that keeps this list alive.

Please clean out your couch cushions and paypal the revenue created to
pa...@pdmnet.net<mailto:pa...@pdmnet.net>

Paul, what is the current status of our deficit?

--
Sent from my Android device with K-9 Mail. Please excuse my brevity.

Re: [AFMUG] Pledge drive

[Paul McCall]

Its is Overkill, providing your time has no value to chase down why X Mail 
server can’t be delivered to, or why X mail server has undefined bounces or x 
firewall system thinks it’s spam, etc. etc.

Amazon never goes down, never gets blacklisted.

If you are cool with bulk mailserver drama, then have a go at switching, and 
managing that aspect.   

AES is not the cheapest option no doubt.  This was a choice Chuck and I made to 
make sure it “just worked” because we all have businesses that, hopefully, are 
successful enough to not want to fuss with it.

Paul



From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Matt Hoppes
Sent: Sunday, February 18, 2018 2:13 PM
To: af@afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Pledge drive

What is SES?  Amazon?

That seems overkill for a mailing list.

On Feb 18, 2018, at 14:09, Mike Hammett 
> wrote:
SES


-
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From: "Matt Hoppes" 
>
To: af@afmug.com
Sent: Sunday, February 18, 2018 1:05:36 PM
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Pledge drive
Support of what???

What the heck costs that much?

Mailman takes all of 10 minutes to install and just lives after that.

On Feb 18, 2018, at 13:52, Ryan Ray 
> wrote:

Last time this was brought up the cost was $3000 for the year including 
support, $1800 not including support.

On Sun, Feb 18, 2018 at 10:41 AM, Matt Hoppes 
> 
wrote:
Can it really be more than $5

How much memory, CPU, and storage can a mailing list take when virtualized?

On Feb 18, 2018, at 13:20, Keefe John 
> wrote:
Just curious, what are the monthly costs to operate this list?
On February 18, 2018 11:13:54 AM CST, Chuck McCown 
> wrote:

I notice it has been a while since we pushed a bit to help fund the
not-insignificant AWS expense that keeps this list alive.

Please clean out your couch cushions and paypal the revenue created to
pa...@pdmnet.net

Paul, what is the current status of our deficit?



--
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Re: [AFMUG] Streaming service included

[Paul McCall]

That’s what I was thinking Chuck. You are in charge 

-Original Message-
From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of ch...@wbmfg.com
Sent: Thursday, February 8, 2018 12:54 PM
To: af@afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Streaming service included

I wonder if they would allow a co-op type of company to get to the 100K...

-Original Message-
From: Layne Sisk
Sent: Thursday, February 8, 2018 10:52 AM
To: af@afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Streaming service included

Spoke on a panel 2 days ago with Netflix and asked them about it.  They require 
100k subscribers to enter what they consider a �re-bill� program where you 
could do this.

-Layne
Sent from my iPhone, so please excuse any misspelled words or embarrassing 
auto-corrects!

> On Feb 6, 2018, at 4:15 PM, Brian Sullivan 
> wrote:
>
> T-Mobile gives away Netflix.  Sprint gives away Hulu.  Others will 
> likely follow.
> Has anyone here looked into including a streaming service for their 
> customers?

Re: [AFMUG] Traco BCM

[Paul McCall]

Yet, the BCM-148 says adjustable Output up to 54v.  Unless you are on battery.  
Silly

From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Paul McCall
Sent: Tuesday, January 30, 2018 1:35 PM
To: af@afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Traco BCM

Actually, the BCMU is the model that takes 12v in and upconverts it to 48V.  It 
charges the battery array (in parallel) to about 13v per batter.  So, why in 
the world they would design a device that would upconvert that to anything less 
than 48v (without load) is just silly.  We have UBNT EP-S16s that will not turn 
on radios plugged in, if it gets anything less than 45.5 to 46 volts.

But, even on the BCM-148, (where you run 48v in series, it seems to have the 
same design)  45v max output when on battery.

Pretty bizzare

From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Adam Moffett
Sent: Tuesday, January 30, 2018 1:25 PM
To: af@afmug.com<mailto:af@afmug.com>
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Traco BCM

When running on battery, the load gets battery voltage.  The load being on 
battery (or charger) voltage seems to be the normal behavior for these types of 
systems, so you'd have to really hunt for something that does it differently.

You can hunt for something with a regulated output, or add a DC-DC converter 
inline.

I haven't yet encountered a 48V device that didn't accept the whole range from 
"batteries nearly dead" to "bulk charging", so I'm wondering what that device 
is that needs >46v.

.and I'm not a Traco lover.  I'm kind of disappointed with it actually.  We 
must have bought 40 of those kits about 3 years ago, and we now have 3 faulty 
BCM modulesthey work except they no longer charge batteries.  I also 
received a whole box of them where the sticker indicating which pin does what 
on the BCM was 100% backwards. By following the sticker rather than the manual 
I ended up with the temperature sensor (thermistor) connected to the reset 
switch.  Didn't break anything, but they units won't turn on that way.

At the time I needed something 48V at a higher wattage than Meanwell's 48V 
options, and Traco was suggested.  I don't think I'd go there again.


-- Original Message --
From: "Paul McCall" <pa...@pdmnet.net<mailto:pa...@pdmnet.net>>
To: "af@afmug.com<mailto:af@afmug.com>" <af@afmug.com<mailto:af@afmug.com>>
Sent: 1/30/2018 12:59:12 PM
Subject: [AFMUG] Traco BCM

Am I missing something or are the Traco BCM series not very usable in the real 
world?

Meaning, the BCMU360 can only put out 45v (for a couple minutes, then 44v and 
change), when running on the battery.  Not very usable with some gear that 
requires about 46v to work properly.  Add in voltage drop on a long run and 
no-go.

I thought maybe the straight BCM 48v series would be better, but they appear to 
have the same spec.

I have to think I am missing something or who the heck would they sell these 
to? The industry standard is 48v (54v with float) so, outputting 44v sustained 
seems dumb.

Or is me 

Enlighten me please, you Traco lovers

Paul McCall, President
PDMNet, Inc. / Florida Broadband, Inc.
658 Old Dixie Highway
Vero Beach, FL 32962
772-564-6800
pa...@pdmnet.net<mailto:pa...@pdmnet.net>
www.pdmnet.com<http://www.pdmnet.com>
www.floridabroadband.com<http://www.floridabroadband.com>

Re: [AFMUG] Traco BCM

[Paul McCall]

Actually, the BCMU is the model that takes 12v in and upconverts it to 48V.  It 
charges the battery array (in parallel) to about 13v per batter.  So, why in 
the world they would design a device that would upconvert that to anything less 
than 48v (without load) is just silly.  We have UBNT EP-S16s that will not turn 
on radios plugged in, if it gets anything less than 45.5 to 46 volts.

But, even on the BCM-148, (where you run 48v in series, it seems to have the 
same design)  45v max output when on battery.

Pretty bizzare

From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Adam Moffett
Sent: Tuesday, January 30, 2018 1:25 PM
To: af@afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Traco BCM

When running on battery, the load gets battery voltage.  The load being on 
battery (or charger) voltage seems to be the normal behavior for these types of 
systems, so you'd have to really hunt for something that does it differently.

You can hunt for something with a regulated output, or add a DC-DC converter 
inline.

I haven't yet encountered a 48V device that didn't accept the whole range from 
"batteries nearly dead" to "bulk charging", so I'm wondering what that device 
is that needs >46v.

.and I'm not a Traco lover.  I'm kind of disappointed with it actually.  We 
must have bought 40 of those kits about 3 years ago, and we now have 3 faulty 
BCM modulesthey work except they no longer charge batteries.  I also 
received a whole box of them where the sticker indicating which pin does what 
on the BCM was 100% backwards. By following the sticker rather than the manual 
I ended up with the temperature sensor (thermistor) connected to the reset 
switch.  Didn't break anything, but they units won't turn on that way.

At the time I needed something 48V at a higher wattage than Meanwell's 48V 
options, and Traco was suggested.  I don't think I'd go there again.


-- Original Message --
From: "Paul McCall" <pa...@pdmnet.net<mailto:pa...@pdmnet.net>>
To: "af@afmug.com<mailto:af@afmug.com>" <af@afmug.com<mailto:af@afmug.com>>
Sent: 1/30/2018 12:59:12 PM
Subject: [AFMUG] Traco BCM

Am I missing something or are the Traco BCM series not very usable in the real 
world?

Meaning, the BCMU360 can only put out 45v (for a couple minutes, then 44v and 
change), when running on the battery.  Not very usable with some gear that 
requires about 46v to work properly.  Add in voltage drop on a long run and 
no-go.

I thought maybe the straight BCM 48v series would be better, but they appear to 
have the same spec.

I have to think I am missing something or who the heck would they sell these 
to? The industry standard is 48v (54v with float) so, outputting 44v sustained 
seems dumb.

Or is me 

Enlighten me please, you Traco lovers

Paul McCall, President
PDMNet, Inc. / Florida Broadband, Inc.
658 Old Dixie Highway
Vero Beach, FL 32962
772-564-6800
pa...@pdmnet.net<mailto:pa...@pdmnet.net>
www.pdmnet.com<http://www.pdmnet.com>
www.floridabroadband.com<http://www.floridabroadband.com>

[AFMUG] Traco BCM

[Paul McCall]

Am I missing something or are the Traco BCM series not very usable in the real 
world?

Meaning, the BCMU360 can only put out 45v (for a couple minutes, then 44v and 
change), when running on the battery.  Not very usable with some gear that 
requires about 46v to work properly.  Add in voltage drop on a long run and 
no-go.

I thought maybe the straight BCM 48v series would be better, but they appear to 
have the same spec.

I have to think I am missing something or who the heck would they sell these 
to? The industry standard is 48v (54v with float) so, outputting 44v sustained 
seems dumb.

Or is me 

Enlighten me please, you Traco lovers

Paul McCall, President
PDMNet, Inc. / Florida Broadband, Inc.
658 Old Dixie Highway
Vero Beach, FL 32962
772-564-6800
pa...@pdmnet.net<mailto:pa...@pdmnet.net>
www.pdmnet.com<http://www.pdmnet.com>
www.floridabroadband.com<http://www.floridabroadband.com>

Re: [AFMUG] Best Cat5 tester under $ 150

[Paul McCall]

Meaning can you drop them and they survive?

From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Mike Hammett
Sent: Thursday, January 11, 2018 6:38 PM
To: af@afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Best Cat5 tester under $ 150

I guess it depends on what you mean by abuse.

I still have my two that I got in their original Indiegogo funding campaign, 
but I don't use them constantly.


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From: "Paul McCall" <pa...@pdmnet.net<mailto:pa...@pdmnet.net>>
To: af@afmug.com<mailto:af@afmug.com>
Sent: Thursday, January 11, 2018 5:02:16 PM
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Best Cat5 tester under $ 150
Am looking at that.  How rugged are they?  Will they hold up to a bit of abuse 
in the field?

Paul

From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Mike Hammett
Sent: Thursday, January 11, 2018 3:59 PM
To: af@afmug.com<mailto:af@afmug.com>
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Best Cat5 tester under $ 150

Pockethernet is close to that.


-
Mike Hammett
Intelligent Computing Solutions<http://www.ics-il.com/>
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Midwest Internet Exchange<http://www.midwest-ix.com/>
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<https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCXSdfxQv7SpoRQYNyLwntZg>

From: "Paul McCall" <pa...@pdmnet.net<mailto:pa...@pdmnet.net>>
To: af@afmug.com<mailto:af@afmug.com>
Sent: Thursday, January 11, 2018 1:16:37 PM
Subject: [AFMUG] Best Cat5 tester under $ 150
Looking to re-outfit my techs. I set $ 150 as a somewhat arbitrary budget for 
each.

Any favorites or ones to avoid?

Paul

Re: [AFMUG] Best Cat5 tester under $ 150

[Paul McCall]

Am looking at that.  How rugged are they?  Will they hold up to a bit of abuse 
in the field?

Paul

From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Mike Hammett
Sent: Thursday, January 11, 2018 3:59 PM
To: af@afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Best Cat5 tester under $ 150

Pockethernet is close to that.


-
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From: "Paul McCall" <pa...@pdmnet.net<mailto:pa...@pdmnet.net>>
To: af@afmug.com<mailto:af@afmug.com>
Sent: Thursday, January 11, 2018 1:16:37 PM
Subject: [AFMUG] Best Cat5 tester under $ 150
Looking to re-outfit my techs. I set $ 150 as a somewhat arbitrary budget for 
each.

Any favorites or ones to avoid?

Paul

[AFMUG] Best Cat5 tester under $ 150

[Paul McCall]

Looking to re-outfit my techs. I set $ 150 as a somewhat arbitrary budget for 
each.

Any favorites or ones to avoid?

Paul

Re: [AFMUG] OLD FSK Equipment

[Paul McCall]

AP?  No-go past 7.36.  No HW scheduling.  No Free cheeze

From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Gilbert Gutierrez
Sent: Wednesday, January 10, 2018 12:27 PM
To: af@afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OLD FSK Equipment

Telnet+> version
Software Version : CANOPY 7.3.6 Oct 24 2005   12:06:56 APAS-DES
Software Boot Version : CANOPYBOOT 3.0
FPGA Version : 051104
FPGA Features : Single,  40MHz ExtBus, DES,
Frequency Band : 5.7GHz
Hardware Platform : 8
Hardware Minor Revision : 0
Device Type : CANOPY
MIR Cap : 7000 (kbit)
CIR Cap : 2 (kbit)
P8

On Wed, Jan 10, 2018 at 10:20 AM, Paul McCall 
<pa...@pdmnet.net<mailto:pa...@pdmnet.net>> wrote:
You can actually use CNUT to make a P8 to HW scheduling

-Original Message-
From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com<mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com>] On Behalf 
Of Bill Prince
Sent: Wednesday, January 10, 2018 12:16 PM
To: af@afmug.com<mailto:af@afmug.com>; Gilbert Gutierrez 
<mailing-li...@phxinternet.com<mailto:mailing-li...@phxinternet.com>>
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OLD FSK Equipment

How old?

If it's a P8, you're screwed. P9 and up can do HW scheduling.


bp
<part15sbs{at}gmail{dot}com>

On 1/10/2018 9:12 AM, Gilbert Gutierrez wrote:
> I am trying to convert an old FSK 100 from software scheduled to
> hardware scheduled but am hitting a wall.
>
> When I run the Advantage Platform Scheduler, here are my symptoms...
> 1. The AP is listed as Unable to Communicate/Extract info from Element
> in the tool 2. When I select the element, I can run the switch but it
> pauses after ftp and asks for a password. When I insert the password,
> the tool responds "Completed" and the log says ERROR: Failed Telnet to
> x.x.x.x
>
> I am using CNUT 4.10. The AP and the package file are 7.3.6. I am
> wondering if I have to use a much older version CNUT. It has been so
> long since I have done this. Does anyone have pointers besides replace
> the very old equipment (I will be doing this spring)?
>
> Gilbert

Re: [AFMUG] OLD FSK Equipment

[Paul McCall]

You can actually use CNUT to make a P8 to HW scheduling

-Original Message-
From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Bill Prince
Sent: Wednesday, January 10, 2018 12:16 PM
To: af@afmug.com; Gilbert Gutierrez 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OLD FSK Equipment

How old?

If it's a P8, you're screwed. P9 and up can do HW scheduling.


bp


On 1/10/2018 9:12 AM, Gilbert Gutierrez wrote:
> I am trying to convert an old FSK 100 from software scheduled to 
> hardware scheduled but am hitting a wall.
>
> When I run the Advantage Platform Scheduler, here are my symptoms...
> 1. The AP is listed as Unable to Communicate/Extract info from Element 
> in the tool 2. When I select the element, I can run the switch but it 
> pauses after ftp and asks for a password. When I insert the password, 
> the tool responds "Completed" and the log says ERROR: Failed Telnet to 
> x.x.x.x
>
> I am using CNUT 4.10. The AP and the package file are 7.3.6. I am 
> wondering if I have to use a much older version CNUT. It has been so 
> long since I have done this. Does anyone have pointers besides replace 
> the very old equipment (I will be doing this spring)?
>
> Gilbert

[AFMUG] Insurance on Equipment Leases

[Paul McCall]

We haven't leased anything in 10 years, so I am a bit out of touch.

Do Leasing companies automatically insure equipment for the term of the lease?  
 Or do they generally require you to bring your own insurance to the equation?

Paul

Paul McCall, President
PDMNet, Inc. / Florida Broadband, Inc.
658 Old Dixie Highway
Vero Beach, FL 32962
772-564-6800
pa...@pdmnet.net<mailto:pa...@pdmnet.net>
www.pdmnet.com<http://www.pdmnet.com>
www.floridabroadband.com<http://www.floridabroadband.com>

[AFMUG] engineeraustin.com

[Paul McCall]

Anybody have any history with these guys for Mikrotik support?  Specifically 
BGP for internal network

Thanks!

Paul

Paul McCall, President
PDMNet, Inc. / Florida Broadband, Inc.
658 Old Dixie Highway
Vero Beach, FL 32962
772-564-6800
pa...@pdmnet.net<mailto:pa...@pdmnet.net>
www.pdmnet.com<http://www.pdmnet.com>
www.floridabroadband.com<http://www.floridabroadband.com>

Re: [AFMUG] Our NN statment

[Paul McCall]

Yep, that is concise and effective

From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Gino A. Villarini
Sent: Friday, December 15, 2017 7:57 AM
To: af@afmug.com
Subject: [AFMUG] Our NN statment

What do you guys think? Lots of customers calling!

Aeronet Statement on Net Neutrality

AeroNet, a ISP that provides advanced Internet services to Business and 
individuals in PR, USVI and Miami, applauds any action taken  that promotes  
innovation and advancement of connectivity for all consumers. In Aeronet's  17 
years of history, our pricing structure has always been simple, unlimited and 
without any toll gates.  The placement and removal of Net Neutrality rules have 
not and will not modify our pricing policy.  We maintain our commitment to 
provide the fastest and most reliable service to our customers, with innovative 
solutions that fulfill our customers needs.



Gino A. Villarini

President

Metro Office Park #18 Suite 304 Guaynabo, Puerto Rico 00968


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[AFMUG] anybody service Lancaster, VA 22503 ?

[Paul McCall]

I have a friend who just moved there.  Says he got a wireless company (to 
remain nameless) that is providing horrible service?

Anybody servicing that area?

Paul

Paul McCall, President
PDMNet, Inc. / Florida Broadband, Inc.
658 Old Dixie Highway
Vero Beach, FL 32962
772-564-6800
pa...@pdmnet.net<mailto:pa...@pdmnet.net>
www.pdmnet.com<http://www.pdmnet.com>
www.floridabroadband.com<http://www.floridabroadband.com>

[AFMUG] Contract for special events

[Paul McCall]

I hoping that someone has a decent contract for providing Internet special 
events that they are willing to share?  We are providing a private Network / 
WiFi for processing tickets sales, parking passes etc. for a concert, and I 
have gotten behind on getting a contract ready.  This is not providing Public 
WiFi, but rather supporting the event coordinators.

If you want to connect with us OFFLIST, that would be great.

Thanks!

Paul McCall, President
PDMNet, Inc. / Florida Broadband, Inc.
658 Old Dixie Highway
Vero Beach, FL 32962
772-564-6800
pa...@pdmnet.net<mailto:pa...@pdmnet.net>
www.pdmnet.com<http://www.pdmnet.com>
www.floridabroadband.com<http://www.floridabroadband.com>

[AFMUG] Noction

[Paul McCall]

We are considering deploying Noction as a help to control bgp traffic flow 
within or network. Anybody else using something similar?

Sent from my Android phone using Symantec TouchDown (www.symantec.com)

Re: [AFMUG] OT Tesla Thefts

[Paul McCall]

That’s the best (funniest) answer yet.   Oceans 11 type stuff

From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Eric Kuhnke
Sent: Monday, November 27, 2017 4:26 PM
To: af@afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT Tesla Thefts

or if you were an organized auto theft gang with a flatbed tow truck, and 
unusually high respect for the FCC, I suppose you could pull a model S onto a 
truck and wrap it in a faraday cage blanket.

On Mon, Nov 27, 2017 at 1:22 PM, Bill Prince 
> wrote:

So in addition to grand theft auto, you get to deal with the FCC for jamming 
licensed airwaves?

Yeah. Why not go for the whole enchilada.

bp




On 11/27/2017 1:14 PM, Eric Kuhnke wrote:
considering that a powered-on tesla model S has a persistent cellular data 
connection back to tesla's servers, and built in GPS...  the only effective way 
to steal one would be to bring a wide spectrum 650-2500 MHz jammer with you, 
and keep the jammer on at all times. assuming that your goal would be to 
disassemble it for parts fairly quickly and not resell it as a drivable vehicle.


On Mon, Nov 27, 2017 at 7:52 AM, Chuck McCown 
> wrote:
I am sure they can phone home and be remotely disabled.

From: Forrest Christian (List Account)
Sent: Monday, November 27, 2017 1:28 AM
To: af
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT Tesla Thefts

Aren't teslas one of the more stupid vehicles to try to steal?

I found the article about the theft, and I agree... odd...


On Sat, Nov 25, 2017 at 4:36 PM, Chuck McCown 
> wrote:
In SLC, someone broke into the showroom and made off with 4 Teslas.

Here is an snip from a newspaper story quoting cops about the theft:

We are still trying to sort this out,” Keller said. “We actually have two 
people claiming their name is Tesla and a family member died and left them 
these cars.” Keller said.



--
Forrest Christian CEO, PacketFlux Technologies, Inc.
Tel: 406-449-3345 | Address: 3577 Countryside Road, Helena, MT 59602
forre...@imach.com | 
http://www.packetflux.com
  


 
 
 

[AFMUG] Powering an Airfiber 5x

[Paul McCall]

There seems to be some confusion online about whether you can use 48v to power 
up an Airfiber 5x?   I have a tech onsite getting ready to do that, but wanted 
to make sure we don’t make magic smoke come out 

Paul McCall, President
PDMNet, Inc. / Florida Broadband, Inc.
658 Old Dixie Highway
Vero Beach, FL 32962
772-564-6800
pa...@pdmnet.net<mailto:pa...@pdmnet.net>
www.pdmnet.com<http://www.pdmnet.com>
www.floridabroadband.com<http://www.floridabroadband.com>

Re: [AFMUG] IPArchitechs

[Paul McCall]

They were highly recommended by Butch Evans, when Butch was entering into to a 
very busy time in his work life.

Our initial talks with them were excellent, and maybe if we had pulled the 
trigger with them at the time, and gleamed the benefits of what they offer, I 
wouldn’t be asking now.

We really appreciated Butch when he was available.

Paul

From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Josh Luthman
Sent: Monday, November 13, 2017 11:01 AM
To: af@afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] IPArchitechs

I don't understand why you wouldn't just use a consultant within our industry, 
that's part of WISPA, that's knows their stuff, that other people use...

I've never even heard of the IPA guys, never seen them at any show.


Josh Luthman
Office: 937-552-2340
Direct: 937-552-2343
1100 Wayne St
Suite 1337
Troy, OH 45373

On Mon, Nov 13, 2017 at 10:57 AM, Paul McCall 
<pa...@pdmnet.net<mailto:pa...@pdmnet.net>> wrote:
Good info.  I agree with the network assessment time, etc.  We had spoken with 
IPA about doing this, and didn’t pull the trigger because we had bigger fish to 
fry at the time.  So, I re-asked the question.  I hear specific to IPA that 
they really don’t have a high satisfaction record among this group.   So, while 
this discussion morphed into charges for assessing the network, it wasn’t 
really the question, and I think people on here that are credible have 
described IPA as not quite having their act together at this time

From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com<mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com>] On Behalf 
Of Justin Wilson
Sent: Sunday, November 12, 2017 11:53 PM

To: af@afmug.com<mailto:af@afmug.com>
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] IPArchitechs

Speaking from a consultant side it can be a little tricky with a new client.  I 
have been burned more than once thinking I was going to “hop in and fix it real 
quick”. Anymore, I want to build relationships with my clients.  One of the 
last ones was a guy calls me at midnight having a traffic issue.  He has two 
upstream pipes he wants to try and utilize and needs some BGP help.  It’s an 
emergency situation because he is maxing out one pipe and the other is barely 
being used. So, I talk with him for 45 minutes on his drive home before he can 
give me remote access.  I then spend the next hour or so writing out diagrams 
on paper trying to learn his network as quickly as I can.

I then make some BGP changes and see traffic change and watch it for another 15 
minutes or so. By this time his prime time is starting to wind down a little so 
I can’t tell if it’s normal traffic utilization or I actually fixed it. I tell 
client I made changes, spent 15 minutes typing up said changes, and say I 
*think* I fixed it but don’t really know enough about the network to say I did. 
 Send client invoice and say let me know and we can look again at no charge.

Three days later I get a nasty e-mail saying I didn’t fix it, goes on and on 
how he can prove I didn’t fix it blah blah.  Oh, and by the way his normal 
consultant logged in and fixed it. Well yeah because the normal guy knows a 
whole lot more about the network than I did.

Another off the street client had me look at some drop out issues.  Again, same 
story.  I have never touched the network and he calls me saying traffic just 
randomly stops for a second or two at a time.  Start looking at things, start 
from the easiest things to look at.  Spend 3 hours or so making sure configs 
are correct, etc.  Bill client and say get back to me.  Sends me a nasty gram 3 
months later saying it was the switch the routers were hooked into and they had 
buffer issues.  Why did I not tell him to replace the switch within the first 
hour?!?!?!

These are just a few examples.  Us WISP consultants are a small bunch and we 
all know each other.  My advice is you need to find a consultant you can build 
a relationship with that works for BOTH of you.  My regular clients know I pick 
up the phone in a pinch and am fair with them.  However, they have taken the 
time and effort to build the relationship on their side too.  Anyone new who 
calls me that is looking for someone to answer the phone in that pinch 
automatically starts out with a 3-5 network evaluation. I don’t go as far as 
labbing everything up, but I make sure the documentation is spot on.  I still 
do the small break fixes, etc. but I am much more cautious about things.  We 
all have our own way of doing stuff.  Some people and I don’t click.  Some do.  
I am sure that is the same with any other consultant.



Justin Wilson
j...@mtin.net<mailto:j...@mtin.net>

j2sw.com<http://j2sw.com>
www.mtin.net<http://www.mtin.net>
www.midwest-ix.com<http://www.midwest-ix.com>

On Nov 9, 2017, at 1:10 PM, Sterling Jacobson 
<sterl...@avative.net<mailto:sterl...@avative.net>> wrote:

Similar case with me which I kind of already pointed out.

They couldn’t figure out a BGP issue and wanted to virtualize and put in a lab 
and 

Re: [AFMUG] IPArchitechs

[Paul McCall]

mailto:can...@believewireless.net>
Sent: Thursday, November 9, 2017 10:01 AM
To: af@afmug.com<mailto:af@afmug.com>
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] IPArchitechs

We used them once and we weren't happy. I wanted to give them a try to see how 
they compared to others.
What I thought was a simple BGP issue that could have been handled with a 15-30 
minute phone call ended
up taking over two weeks. They "needed" to get our router configs and 
virtualize them in their network. Then
figure out which interfaces were backhaul links, etc.

They then came up with a crazy network design that, to me, made no sense. After 
them burning a lot of hours
on that, a simple call at the end of that process amounted to just creating a 
single EoIP tunnel to fix the issue.

So my thought is they want to burn hours whenever they can.

On Thu, Nov 9, 2017 at 10:04 AM, Paul McCall 
<pa...@pdmnet.net<mailto:pa...@pdmnet.net>> wrote:
So, IPArchitechsis there a current consensus on whether they are worth 
investing time with?   We are looking to layer BGP within (or upon) our OSPF 
network to better control traffic between towers, subnets, etc.

IPA talked a good game, but we didn't roll out with them.

Any thoughts?

Paul

-Original Message-
From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com<mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com>] On Behalf 
Of Dennis Burgess
Sent: Tuesday, August 8, 2017 1:47 PM
To: af@afmug.com<mailto:af@afmug.com>
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] IPArchitechs

We are always here :)


Dennis Burgess - Network Solution Engineer - Consultant MikroTik Certified 
Trainer/Consultant - MTCNA, MTCRE, MTCWE, MTCTCE, MTCINE

For Wireless Hardware/Routers visit 
www.linktechs.net<http://www.linktechs.net/> Radio Frequency Coverages: 
www.towercoverage.com<http://www.towercoverage.com/>
Office: 314-735-0270
E-Mail: dmburg...@linktechs.net<mailto:dmburg...@linktechs.net>


-Original Message-
From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com<mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com>] On Behalf 
Of Sterling Jacobson
Sent: Tuesday, August 8, 2017 12:45 PM
To: 'af@afmug.com<mailto:af@afmug.com>' <af@afmug.com<mailto:af@afmug.com>>
Subject: [AFMUG] IPArchitechs
That company was a bust.

So I'm looking again for a professional team/company that can professionally 
handle my network contracting needs in a reasonable time frame.

Dennis, I'll be asking for your help again in the meantime as soon as I get 
refunded from IPArchitechs.

Re: [AFMUG] Small 5 Ghz dual pol for use with Mimosa C5c

[Paul McCall]

Ahhh,, that makes sense.   For some reason, I was thinking they were more money.

Paul

From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Mathew Howard
Sent: Thursday, November 9, 2017 10:27 AM
To: af <af@afmug.com>
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Small 5 Ghz dual pol for use with Mimosa C5c

Why not just use B5 lites?

On Thu, Nov 9, 2017 at 9:02 AM, Paul McCall 
<pa...@pdmnet.net<mailto:pa...@pdmnet.net>> wrote:
We are doing a short hop with Mimosa C5C (0.7 miles) and need to use the 
smallest footprint antennas that will give us Maximum throughput.

suggestions

Paul McCall, President
PDMNet, Inc. / Florida Broadband, Inc.
658 Old Dixie 
Highway<https://maps.google.com/?q=658+Old+Dixie+Highway%0D+Vero+Beach,+FL+32962%0D+772=gmail=g>
Vero Beach, FL 
32962<https://maps.google.com/?q=658+Old+Dixie+Highway%0D+Vero+Beach,+FL+32962%0D+772=gmail=g>
772-564-6800<tel:(772)%20564-6800>
pa...@pdmnet.net<mailto:pa...@pdmnet.net>
www.pdmnet.com<http://www.pdmnet.com>
www.floridabroadband.com<http://www.floridabroadband.com>

Re: [AFMUG] IPArchitechs

[Paul McCall]

So, IPArchitechsis there a current consensus on whether they are worth 
investing time with?   We are looking to layer BGP within (or upon) our OSPF 
network to better control traffic between towers, subnets, etc.

IPA talked a good game, but we didn't roll out with them.  

Any thoughts?

Paul

-Original Message-
From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Dennis Burgess
Sent: Tuesday, August 8, 2017 1:47 PM
To: af@afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] IPArchitechs

We are always here :)  


Dennis Burgess - Network Solution Engineer - Consultant MikroTik Certified 
Trainer/Consultant - MTCNA, MTCRE, MTCWE, MTCTCE, MTCINE

For Wireless Hardware/Routers visit www.linktechs.net Radio Frequency 
Coverages: www.towercoverage.com
Office: 314-735-0270
E-Mail: dmburg...@linktechs.net 


-Original Message-
From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Sterling Jacobson
Sent: Tuesday, August 8, 2017 12:45 PM
To: 'af@afmug.com' 
Subject: [AFMUG] IPArchitechs

That company was a bust.

So I'm looking again for a professional team/company that can professionally 
handle my network contracting needs in a reasonable time frame.

Dennis, I'll be asking for your help again in the meantime as soon as I get 
refunded from IPArchitechs.

[AFMUG] Small 5 Ghz dual pol for use with Mimosa C5c

[Paul McCall]

We are doing a short hop with Mimosa C5C (0.7 miles) and need to use the 
smallest footprint antennas that will give us Maximum throughput.

suggestions

Paul McCall, President
PDMNet, Inc. / Florida Broadband, Inc.
658 Old Dixie Highway
Vero Beach, FL 32962
772-564-6800
pa...@pdmnet.net<mailto:pa...@pdmnet.net>
www.pdmnet.com<http://www.pdmnet.com>
www.floridabroadband.com<http://www.floridabroadband.com>

Re: [AFMUG] OFFLIST: Cambium Ethernet Port Part Number

[Paul McCall]

Ooopss... not OFFLIST.  I hate it when that happens!

-Original Message-
From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Paul McCall
Sent: Wednesday, November 8, 2017 12:37 PM
To: af@afmug.com
Cc: PDMNet Canopy Repairs <pdmnetcanopyrepa...@pdmnet.net>
Subject: [AFMUG] OFFLIST: Cambium Ethernet Port Part Number

Matt,

We will replace them for $ 45 each if you have a few of them to do at once and 
that is all this wrong.  It is indeed pretty straight forward, but also its not 
too hard to mess up the board.

Paul, PDMNet

-Original Message-
From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Matt
Sent: Wednesday, November 8, 2017 11:22 AM
To: af@afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Cambium Ethernet Port Part Number

It takes a lot of heat to remove one.  I would rather just order the part.  
Used to do a great deal of component level repairs years back.


On Wed, Nov 1, 2017 at 4:54 PM, Colin Stanners <cstann...@gmail.com> wrote:
> Pmp450 SM... Unless Cambium changed something, grab a Cambium surge, 
> it is more expensive per port but that is two that you already had in stock.
>
> On Nov 1, 2017 4:37 PM, "Matt" <matt.mailingli...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>> Does anybody know the Digikey, Mouser or Jameco part number for 
>> replacement RJ45 port on Cambium PMP450 SM?  Standard 5ghz SM that 
>> can use reflector?  Have a few that are broke.
>>
>> Thanks.

[AFMUG] OFFLIST: Cambium Ethernet Port Part Number

[Paul McCall]

Matt,

We will replace them for $ 45 each if you have a few of them to do at once and 
that is all this wrong.  It is indeed pretty straight forward, but also its not 
too hard to mess up the board.

Paul, PDMNet

-Original Message-
From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Matt
Sent: Wednesday, November 8, 2017 11:22 AM
To: af@afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Cambium Ethernet Port Part Number

It takes a lot of heat to remove one.  I would rather just order the part.  
Used to do a great deal of component level repairs years back.


On Wed, Nov 1, 2017 at 4:54 PM, Colin Stanners  wrote:
> Pmp450 SM... Unless Cambium changed something, grab a Cambium surge, 
> it is more expensive per port but that is two that you already had in stock.
>
> On Nov 1, 2017 4:37 PM, "Matt"  wrote:
>>
>> Does anybody know the Digikey, Mouser or Jameco part number for 
>> replacement RJ45 port on Cambium PMP450 SM?  Standard 5ghz SM that 
>> can use reflector?  Have a few that are broke.
>>
>> Thanks.

[AFMUG] Ubiquiti Rocket 2AC Prism

[Paul McCall]

Anybody have any real world experience with these yet?

Paul McCall, President
PDMNet, Inc. / Florida Broadband, Inc.
658 Old Dixie Highway
Vero Beach, FL 32962
772-564-6800
pa...@pdmnet.net<mailto:pa...@pdmnet.net>
www.pdmnet.com<http://www.pdmnet.com>
www.floridabroadband.com<http://www.floridabroadband.com>

Re: [AFMUG] Reasonably priced 24 port POE switch

[Paul McCall]

Hmmm, have the Edge Switches matured to the point where they can be used in the 
enterprise?  I mean, I use the EdgePoint on my tower but our traffic is very 
simple IP traffic.

Can it be trusted in the Enterprise now?

Paul

From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Adair Winter
Sent: Tuesday, October 31, 2017 9:11 AM
To: af@afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Reasonably priced 24 port POE switch

Edge switch is what I would use.

On Tue, Oct 31, 2017 at 8:09 AM, Paul McCall 
<pa...@pdmnet.net<mailto:pa...@pdmnet.net>> wrote:
We need to power 22 UniFi cameras from POE.   What is a good, cost effective 
switch for that?

Paul

Paul McCall, President
PDMNet, Inc. / Florida Broadband, Inc.
658 Old Dixie 
Highway<https://maps.google.com/?q=658+Old+Dixie+Highway%0D+Vero+Beach,+FL+32962%0D+772=gmail=g>
Vero Beach, FL 
32962<https://maps.google.com/?q=658+Old+Dixie+Highway%0D+Vero+Beach,+FL+32962%0D+772=gmail=g>
772-564-6800<tel:(772)%20564-6800>
pa...@pdmnet.net<mailto:pa...@pdmnet.net>
www.pdmnet.com<http://www.pdmnet.com>
www.floridabroadband.com<http://www.floridabroadband.com>





--

Adair Winter
VP, Network Operations / Co-Owner
Amarillo Wireless | 806.316.5071
C: 806.231.7180
http://www.amarillowireless.net<http://www.amarillowireless.net/>
[https://docs.google.com/a/amarillowireless.net/uc?id=0B-KeaiwIRBHEQl9leFFvVjZuWmc=download]<http://www.amarillowireless.net>

[AFMUG] Reasonably priced 24 port POE switch

[Paul McCall]

We need to power 22 UniFi cameras from POE.   What is a good, cost effective 
switch for that?

Paul

Paul McCall, President
PDMNet, Inc. / Florida Broadband, Inc.
658 Old Dixie Highway
Vero Beach, FL 32962
772-564-6800
pa...@pdmnet.net<mailto:pa...@pdmnet.net>
www.pdmnet.com<http://www.pdmnet.com>
www.floridabroadband.com<http://www.floridabroadband.com>

Re: [AFMUG] Considerations for upgrading passed SAF Lumina link

[Paul McCall]

When I say 270Mb, it means the modulation is on the edge with 3ft dishes which 
was a conscious design suggestion / decision 4 years ago because of the extra 
tower cost and wind load.

I thought the Luminas (at least the ones I have) can only do 56Mhz or 
something, as opposed to the new ones that can do the full 80 mhz?   If I had a 
Lumina where I can jump up the channel size, that would be ideal, another 30% 
throughput.  Couple that with another link on the same antenna would be hippie 
skippy 

From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of George Skorup
Sent: Friday, October 27, 2017 11:51 AM
To: af@afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Considerations for upgrading passed SAF Lumina link

I have exactly 1 SAF Lumina link, 6GHz at 30 miles, that does ~360Mbps 
(56MHz/256QAM weak-FEC ACM). I have fiber on both sides of this link, so the 
full-duplex is needed. And even if it wasn't, I'd still want it for the 
sub-millisecond latency, and rain fades on other paths causing traffic 
reversal. We'll probably end up upgrading that to an IP20/PTP820 within the 
next year or so.

So when you say 270Mbps... is that a 40 or 80MHz (56 usable) channel? But I 
thought 40MHz would yield ~250Mbps on a Lumina? Anyway... if it's 40, can you 
re-coordinate for 80? I'd also agree with what others have said, get another 
set and do 2+0 since you want to keep the same antennas. I'm sure you can still 
find an OMC or whatever SAF calls it.
On 10/27/2017 6:51 AM, Paul McCall wrote:
We have a 4 year old Lumina link from our core, 12.9 miles, 11Ghz with 3ft 
dishes on each end, �that doesn�t have enough BW for us long term, as we 
are going to do another hop from there (7.3 miles), then FTTH.�
�
I get around 270Mbit from it, and we already use 120Mit pretty consistently and 
if another tower OSPFs to it, more than that.� Sooo, I am looking for 
alternatives.�� Its mainly one-way traffic of course, so a solution that 
favored that would be acceptable.
�
Cost is a factor of course, as I also have a �parallel path� a few miles 
south to do the same on very soon.� Something that could use the same dishes 
from the SAF would be good also.
�
I have some undeployed Mimosa B11�s that we bought for a project and are 
still waiting on some tower rights to get settled. I could use those, or maybe 
AF-11X or multiples thereof.� I might as well plan for the future since this 
is a �main artery� link.� We have sufficient 11 Ghz channels available to 
license.
�
Thoughts and suggestions are appreciated !
�
Paul
�
Paul McCall, President
PDMNet, Inc. / Florida Broadband, Inc.
658 Old Dixie Highway
Vero Beach, FL 32962
772-564-6800�
pa...@pdmnet.net<mailto:pa...@pdmnet.net>
www.pdmnet.com<http://www.pdmnet.com>
www.floridabroadband.com<http://www.floridabroadband.com>
�
�

[AFMUG] Considerations for upgrading passed SAF Lumina link

[Paul McCall]

We have a 4 year old Lumina link from our core, 12.9 miles, 11Ghz with 3ft 
dishes on each end,  that doesn't have enough BW for us long term, as we are 
going to do another hop from there (7.3 miles), then FTTH.

I get around 270Mbit from it, and we already use 120Mit pretty consistently and 
if another tower OSPFs to it, more than that.  Sooo, I am looking for 
alternatives.   Its mainly one-way traffic of course, so a solution that 
favored that would be acceptable.

Cost is a factor of course, as I also have a "parallel path" a few miles south 
to do the same on very soon.  Something that could use the same dishes from the 
SAF would be good also.

I have some undeployed Mimosa B11's that we bought for a project and are still 
waiting on some tower rights to get settled. I could use those, or maybe AF-11X 
or multiples thereof.  I might as well plan for the future since this is a 
"main artery" link.  We have sufficient 11 Ghz channels available to license.

Thoughts and suggestions are appreciated !

Paul

Paul McCall, President
PDMNet, Inc. / Florida Broadband, Inc.
658 Old Dixie Highway
Vero Beach, FL 32962
772-564-6800
pa...@pdmnet.net<mailto:pa...@pdmnet.net>
www.pdmnet.com<http://www.pdmnet.com>
www.floridabroadband.com<http://www.floridabroadband.com>

Re: [AFMUG] 3.5Ghz future

[Paul McCall]

Doesn’t look good

From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of David Milholen
Sent: Wednesday, October 25, 2017 8:36 AM
To: Animal Farm 
Subject: [AFMUG] 3.5Ghz future


Seems we will be left in the cold!

https://insidetowers.com/daily-tower-news-controversial-changes-3-5-ghz/?utm_source=Inside+Towers+List_campaign=bfd6d8f22b-EMAIL_CAMPAIGN_2017_10_22_medium=email_term=0_af16c4fc22-bfd6d8f22b-74919777=0_af16c4fc22-bfd6d8f22b-74919777



Anybody wanna buy an all cambium wisp?

theres nothing to see under the hood LOL


--
[cid:image001.jpg@01D34D6C.ADC7DE40]

[AFMUG] LPTV experience

[Paul McCall]

Anyone here have experience operating a Low Power TV station?  Either practical 
or legal experience?

Paul McCall, President
PDMNet, Inc. / Florida Broadband, Inc.
658 Old Dixie Highway
Vero Beach, FL 32962
772-564-6800
pa...@pdmnet.net<mailto:pa...@pdmnet.net>
www.pdmnet.com<http://www.pdmnet.com>
www.floridabroadband.com<http://www.floridabroadband.com>

Re: [AFMUG] mikrotik powerbox pro for sale ?

[Paul McCall]

Your such a tease 

From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Jason McKemie
Sent: Monday, October 23, 2017 5:25 PM
To: af@afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] mikrotik powerbox pro for sale ?

Sorry, I missed the "pro" part.  It doesn't look like they have that one.

On Mon, Oct 23, 2017 at 4:12 PM, Jason McKemie 
<j.mcke...@veloxinetbroadband.com<mailto:j.mcke...@veloxinetbroadband.com>> 
wrote:
I think Streakwave has some.

[https://ipmcdn.avast.com/images/icons/icon-envelope-tick-round-orange-animated-no-repeat-v1.gif]<https://www.avast.com/sig-email?utm_medium=email_source=link_campaign=sig-email_content=webmail_term=icon>

Virus-free. 
www.avast.com<https://www.avast.com/sig-email?utm_medium=email_source=link_campaign=sig-email_content=webmail_term=link>


On Mon, Oct 23, 2017 at 2:50 PM, Paul McCall 
<pa...@pdmnet.net<mailto:pa...@pdmnet.net>> wrote:
Anybody know of stock on these, or are looking to sell some of your own you 
don’t use?

Paul

Paul McCall, President
PDMNet, Inc. / Florida Broadband, Inc.
658 Old Dixie 
Highway<https://maps.google.com/?q=658+Old+Dixie+Highway%0D+Vero+Beach,+FL+32962%0D+772=gmail=g>
Vero Beach, FL 
32962<https://maps.google.com/?q=658+Old+Dixie+Highway%0D+Vero+Beach,+FL+32962%0D+772=gmail=g>
772-564-6800<tel:(772)%20564-6800>
pa...@pdmnet.net<mailto:pa...@pdmnet.net>
www.pdmnet.com<http://www.pdmnet.com>
www.floridabroadband.com<http://www.floridabroadband.com>

[AFMUG] mikrotik powerbox pro for sale ?

[Paul McCall]

Anybody know of stock on these, or are looking to sell some of your own you 
don't use?

Paul

Paul McCall, President
PDMNet, Inc. / Florida Broadband, Inc.
658 Old Dixie Highway
Vero Beach, FL 32962
772-564-6800
pa...@pdmnet.net<mailto:pa...@pdmnet.net>
www.pdmnet.com<http://www.pdmnet.com>
www.floridabroadband.com<http://www.floridabroadband.com>

[AFMUG] Remote Access from China Yes / No / How?

[Paul McCall]

I have a need to use RDP to my desktop from China, and googling the subject 
seems kinda scary.   Seems the Chinese government on ALL Internet connections 
is off the chart with intentions to infect wherever and however they can.

Like maybe they would sniff that traffic / passwords etc. and attack the 
destination aggressively.  I suppose I could have someone on the local (US) end 
changing the password daily from a predetermined chart, but that seems like if 
they wanted to come right back in behind you before a PW was changed that they 
could inject whatever they wanted quickly.

Of course there are VPNs, which they are now getting aggressive on blocking.  
But, if you could establish a VPN you are potentially giving them even more 
access directly to your LAN.  Some of the other advice is don't use your 
regular phone (buy a burner with WiFi calling ability) and then when you are 
done toss the phone.  Don't put anything on it with passwords etc.

I don't know but the whole thing seems a bit daunting.  I have a need for about 
10 days, so I need some connectivity back to the home front.

Anybody have real world experience on the subject?

Thanks in advance!

Paul



Paul McCall, President
PDMNet, Inc. / Florida Broadband, Inc.
658 Old Dixie Highway
Vero Beach, FL 32962
772-564-6800
pa...@pdmnet.net<mailto:pa...@pdmnet.net>
www.pdmnet.com<http://www.pdmnet.com>
www.floridabroadband.com<http://www.floridabroadband.com>

Re: [AFMUG] We've acquired PowerCode

[Paul McCall]

Chuck!

From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of ch...@wbmfg.com
Sent: Tuesday, September 26, 2017 10:28 AM
To: af@afmug.com
Subject: [AFMUG] We've acquired PowerCode

Hey all,

Just wanted to get in front of this before anyone else does - Sonar has 
acquired PowerCode* 
(https://sonar.software/blog/2017-09-26/our-acquisition-of-powercode) and we'll 
be reaching out to all the existing PowerCode customers today to discuss the 
transition process.

We're very excited about this new step - Cameron and Georgette of PowerCode are 
both joining the Sonar team, and I'm confident they are both going to do great 
things. If you're currently using PowerCode, you'll receive a direct email 
shortly, and we'll be calling everyone as quickly as we can to discuss details.

Cameron and Georgette will both be in Vegas with us in the Sonar booth as well, 
so please come by and say hi!

--

Simon Westlake

Email: simon@sonar.software

Phone: (702) 447-1247 US / (780) 900-1180 CA

---

Sonar Software Inc

The future of ISP billing and OSS

https://sonar.software



* fake news generated by Chuck McCown to create some fun for the day...

Re: [AFMUG] ePMP Release 3.5

[Paul McCall]

What bugs have you actually experienced?  It seems that others are not having 
major issues with 3.5.  a few things as mentioned on Cambium forums.

Paul

From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Josh Luthman
Sent: Sunday, September 24, 2017 10:58 AM
To: af@afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] ePMP Release 3.5

Rolling 3.2.2 still.  I've got known issues in 3.4 and 3.5 that doesn't make it 
worth it.

I would really like to have my downlink% OID that came with 3.3 or 3.4...but 
not at the cost of the bugs.


Josh Luthman
Office: 937-552-2340
Direct: 937-552-2343
1100 Wayne St
Suite 1337
Troy, OH 45373

On Sat, Sep 23, 2017 at 7:23 PM, Mathew Howard 
<mhoward...@gmail.com<mailto:mhoward...@gmail.com>> wrote:
I guess I over estimated a bit, looks like we've only got a hundred or so on 
3.5. I think we have somewhere around a thousand customers on ePMP.


On Sep 23, 2017 1:14 PM, "Paul McCall" 
<pa...@pdmnet.net<mailto:pa...@pdmnet.net>> wrote:
How big is your network?

From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com<mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com>] On Behalf 
Of Mathew Howard
Sent: Saturday, September 23, 2017 10:38 AM
To: af <af@afmug.com<mailto:af@afmug.com>>
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] ePMP Release 3.5

I've got 3.5 running on probably about half our stuff now. I haven't noticed 
any major issues.

On Sep 23, 2017 8:15 AM, "Paul McCall" 
<pa...@pdmnet.net<mailto:pa...@pdmnet.net>> wrote:
I see a few problems on the Cambium form on 3.5.   They may be isolated 
incidences but enough to have caution. Has anybody rolled it out to a large 
number of APs and SMs?



Paul McCall, President
PDMNet, Inc. / Florida Broadband, Inc.
658 Old Dixie 
Highway<https://maps.google.com/?q=658+Old+Dixie+Highway%0D+Vero+Beach,+FL+32962%0D+772=gmail=g>
Vero Beach, FL 
32962<https://maps.google.com/?q=658+Old+Dixie+Highway%0D+Vero+Beach,+FL+32962%0D+772=gmail=g>
772-564-6800<tel:(772)%20564-6800>
pa...@pdmnet.net<mailto:pa...@pdmnet.net>
www.pdmnet.com<http://www.pdmnet.com>
www.floridabroadband.com<http://www.floridabroadband.com>

Re: [AFMUG] ePMP Release 3.5

[Paul McCall]

How big is your network?

From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Mathew Howard
Sent: Saturday, September 23, 2017 10:38 AM
To: af <af@afmug.com>
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] ePMP Release 3.5

I've got 3.5 running on probably about half our stuff now. I haven't noticed 
any major issues.

On Sep 23, 2017 8:15 AM, "Paul McCall" 
<pa...@pdmnet.net<mailto:pa...@pdmnet.net>> wrote:
I see a few problems on the Cambium form on 3.5.   They may be isolated 
incidences but enough to have caution. Has anybody rolled it out to a large 
number of APs and SMs?



Paul McCall, President
PDMNet, Inc. / Florida Broadband, Inc.
658 Old Dixie 
Highway<https://maps.google.com/?q=658+Old+Dixie+Highway%0D+Vero+Beach,+FL+32962%0D+772=gmail=g>
Vero Beach, FL 
32962<https://maps.google.com/?q=658+Old+Dixie+Highway%0D+Vero+Beach,+FL+32962%0D+772=gmail=g>
772-564-6800<tel:(772)%20564-6800>
pa...@pdmnet.net<mailto:pa...@pdmnet.net>
www.pdmnet.com<http://www.pdmnet.com>
www.floridabroadband.com<http://www.floridabroadband.com>

[AFMUG] ePMP Release 3.5

[Paul McCall]

I see a few problems on the Cambium form on 3.5.   They may be isolated 
incidences but enough to have caution. Has anybody rolled it out to a large 
number of APs and SMs?



Paul McCall, President
PDMNet, Inc. / Florida Broadband, Inc.
658 Old Dixie Highway
Vero Beach, FL 32962
772-564-6800
pa...@pdmnet.net<mailto:pa...@pdmnet.net>
www.pdmnet.com<http://www.pdmnet.com>
www.floridabroadband.com<http://www.floridabroadband.com>

Re: [AFMUG] FW: donations to cover cost of the list

[Paul McCall]

lol

From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Chuck McCown
Sent: Thursday, September 21, 2017 5:38 PM
To: af@afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] FW: donations to cover cost of the list

We are only $1085 from our goal here at AFMUG, the phones are manned, and if 
you get your pledge in the next 30 minutes we will gift you this collectors 
edition of the best hits of ABBA.

From: Paul McCall
Sent: Thursday, September 21, 2017 3:36 PM
To: af@afmug.com<mailto:af@afmug.com>
Subject: [AFMUG] FW: donations to cover cost of the list

Just an update,

Donation total is now, with recent donations by: $ 915
Warren King
Mark Ackaway
Zaphod

Thank you

From: Paul McCall
Sent: Saturday, September 16, 2017 8:17 PM
To: af@afmug.com<mailto:af@afmug.com>
Subject: donations to cover cost of the list

ATM,

We received donations from these people, for a total of $ 730

Colin Stanners
Chuck McCown
Cyber Broadband
Triad Wireless
One who wanted to remain anonymous
Mathew Howard

Thank you!




Paul McCall, President
PDMNet, Inc. / Florida Broadband, Inc.
658 Old Dixie Highway
Vero Beach, FL 32962
772-564-6800
pa...@pdmnet.net<mailto:pa...@pdmnet.net>
www.pdmnet.com<http://www.pdmnet.com>
www.floridabroadband.com<http://www.floridabroadband.com>

[AFMUG] FW: donations to cover cost of the list

[Paul McCall]

Just an update,

Donation total is now, with recent donations by: $ 915
Warren King
Mark Ackaway
Zaphod

Thank you

From: Paul McCall
Sent: Saturday, September 16, 2017 8:17 PM
To: af@afmug.com
Subject: donations to cover cost of the list

ATM,

We received donations from these people, for a total of $ 730

Colin Stanners
Chuck McCown
Cyber Broadband
Triad Wireless
One who wanted to remain anonymous
Mathew Howard

Thank you!




Paul McCall, President
PDMNet, Inc. / Florida Broadband, Inc.
658 Old Dixie Highway
Vero Beach, FL 32962
772-564-6800
pa...@pdmnet.net<mailto:pa...@pdmnet.net>
www.pdmnet.com<http://www.pdmnet.com>
www.floridabroadband.com<http://www.floridabroadband.com>

[AFMUG] Looking for Triton or other 120 or 100 ft. SSV tower - New or Used

[Paul McCall]

We have never built a Self-support tower.  I have heard Triton is pretty good, 
but am open to others new or used.   I need to build something immediately.

Any suggestions or opinions?

Thanks!

Paul



Paul McCall, President
PDMNet, Inc. / Florida Broadband, Inc.
658 Old Dixie Highway
Vero Beach, FL 32962
772-564-6800
pa...@pdmnet.net<mailto:pa...@pdmnet.net>
www.pdmnet.com<http://www.pdmnet.com>
www.floridabroadband.com<http://www.floridabroadband.com>

Re: [AFMUG] Network Engineer Opportunity

[Paul McCall]

That being said, we are an Equal Opportunity Employer. 

From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Paul McCall
Sent: Wednesday, September 20, 2017 8:17 AM
To: af@afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Network Engineer Opportunity

So yes, applicants without large cojones need not apply 

If you like a challenge, we have the team to compliment your leadership !

Paul

From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Steve Jones
Sent: Wednesday, September 20, 2017 12:49 AM
To: af@afmug.com<mailto:af@afmug.com>
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Network Engineer Opportunity

so the choices are fall off the continent into the ocean during an earthquake, 
or be blown off the continent into the ocean during a hurricane?

On Tue, Sep 19, 2017 at 10:53 PM, Paul McCall 
<pa...@pdmnet.net<mailto:pa...@pdmnet.net>> wrote:
And, if Northern California is not your cup of tea, Florida Broadband is 
looking for same candidate for the same roles.

In other words, “what he said” 

From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com<mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com>] On Behalf 
Of SmarterBroadband
Sent: Tuesday, September 19, 2017 5:22 PM
To: af@afmug.com<mailto:af@afmug.com>
Subject: [AFMUG] Network Engineer Opportunity

SmarterBroadband is looking to hire a Network Engineer.  We are located in 
rural Northern California in the Sierra foothills about 2 hours from Lake Tahoe 
and 45 minutes from Sacramento, a beautiful area to live.  The successful 
candidate will take responsibility for the design and maintenance of our 
network.   The network currently uses Cisco routers and switches, Mikrotik, 
Netonix, Exalt, Ceragon, Cambium 450 and ePMP, Procera, Telrad WiMAX and LTE.  
We are currently implementing Sonar.   Protocols in use include BGP, iBGP, 
MPLS, OSPF and VPLS.  We are looking for someone who is fast on their feet, 
loves to learn new things, willing to take on new challenges and who wants to 
become a key member of the team.
If you are interested please send an Email with your resume to jobs ( at ) 
smarterbroadband.com<http://smarterbroadband.com>.

Re: [AFMUG] Network Engineer Opportunity

[Paul McCall]

So yes, applicants without large cojones need not apply 

If you like a challenge, we have the team to compliment your leadership !

Paul

From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Steve Jones
Sent: Wednesday, September 20, 2017 12:49 AM
To: af@afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Network Engineer Opportunity

so the choices are fall off the continent into the ocean during an earthquake, 
or be blown off the continent into the ocean during a hurricane?

On Tue, Sep 19, 2017 at 10:53 PM, Paul McCall 
<pa...@pdmnet.net<mailto:pa...@pdmnet.net>> wrote:
And, if Northern California is not your cup of tea, Florida Broadband is 
looking for same candidate for the same roles.

In other words, “what he said” 

From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com<mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com>] On Behalf 
Of SmarterBroadband
Sent: Tuesday, September 19, 2017 5:22 PM
To: af@afmug.com<mailto:af@afmug.com>
Subject: [AFMUG] Network Engineer Opportunity

SmarterBroadband is looking to hire a Network Engineer.  We are located in 
rural Northern California in the Sierra foothills about 2 hours from Lake Tahoe 
and 45 minutes from Sacramento, a beautiful area to live.  The successful 
candidate will take responsibility for the design and maintenance of our 
network.   The network currently uses Cisco routers and switches, Mikrotik, 
Netonix, Exalt, Ceragon, Cambium 450 and ePMP, Procera, Telrad WiMAX and LTE.  
We are currently implementing Sonar.   Protocols in use include BGP, iBGP, 
MPLS, OSPF and VPLS.  We are looking for someone who is fast on their feet, 
loves to learn new things, willing to take on new challenges and who wants to 
become a key member of the team.
If you are interested please send an Email with your resume to jobs ( at ) 
smarterbroadband.com<http://smarterbroadband.com>.

Re: [AFMUG] Network Engineer Opportunity

[Paul McCall]

And, if Northern California is not your cup of tea, Florida Broadband is 
looking for same candidate for the same roles.

In other words, “what he said” 

From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of SmarterBroadband
Sent: Tuesday, September 19, 2017 5:22 PM
To: af@afmug.com
Subject: [AFMUG] Network Engineer Opportunity

SmarterBroadband is looking to hire a Network Engineer.  We are located in 
rural Northern California in the Sierra foothills about 2 hours from Lake Tahoe 
and 45 minutes from Sacramento, a beautiful area to live.  The successful 
candidate will take responsibility for the design and maintenance of our 
network.   The network currently uses Cisco routers and switches, Mikrotik, 
Netonix, Exalt, Ceragon, Cambium 450 and ePMP, Procera, Telrad WiMAX and LTE.  
We are currently implementing Sonar.   Protocols in use include BGP, iBGP, 
MPLS, OSPF and VPLS.  We are looking for someone who is fast on their feet, 
loves to learn new things, willing to take on new challenges and who wants to 
become a key member of the team.
If you are interested please send an Email with your resume to jobs ( at ) 
smarterbroadband.com.

Re: [AFMUG] donations to cover cost of the list

[Paul McCall]

What’s the address? I’ll see if you are in our delivery area ! 

From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Rory Conaway
Sent: Saturday, September 16, 2017 10:32 PM
To: af@afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] donations to cover cost of the list

Donation?  I thought I was ordering pizza.

Rory

From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Paul McCall
Sent: Saturday, September 16, 2017 5:17 PM
To: af@afmug.com<mailto:af@afmug.com>
Subject: [AFMUG] donations to cover cost of the list

ATM,

We received donations from these people, for a total of $ 730

Colin Stanners
Chuck McCown
Cyber Broadband
Triad Wireless
Avant Wireless
Mathew Howard

Thank you!




Paul McCall, President
PDMNet, Inc. / Florida Broadband, Inc.
658 Old Dixie Highway
Vero Beach, FL 32962
772-564-6800
pa...@pdmnet.net<mailto:pa...@pdmnet.net>
www.pdmnet.com<http://www.pdmnet.com>
www.floridabroadband.com<http://www.floridabroadband.com>

[AFMUG] donations to cover cost of the list

[Paul McCall]

ATM,

We received donations from these people, for a total of $ 730

Colin Stanners
Chuck McCown
Cyber Broadband
Triad Wireless
Avant Wireless
Mathew Howard

Thank you!




Paul McCall, President
PDMNet, Inc. / Florida Broadband, Inc.
658 Old Dixie Highway
Vero Beach, FL 32962
772-564-6800
pa...@pdmnet.net<mailto:pa...@pdmnet.net>
www.pdmnet.com<http://www.pdmnet.com>
www.floridabroadband.com<http://www.floridabroadband.com>

Re: [AFMUG] Pauls cashflow with afmug

[Paul McCall]

Thanks Steve,

I was thinking of that also.  It’s actually more than that, we kept the support 
only because there wasn’t a decent pay per incident plan with anything that 
added value to solving a problem.

So, its around $ 200 per month.  Last time, we got in $ 950 (approximately).  I 
don’t mind a difficiency (meaning PDMNet pays a decent part of it). And, we did 
it the first 2 years fully bearing costs.

We really don’t mind doing this.  I know there was a discussion last time about 
options.  My simple statement is “It works great” one less thing to deal with, 
yet getting good results.

Any contributions are certainly welcome, especially at this time.  We have 
heavy losses with customer gear and recovery costs.  The largest part of our 
coverage area got 100mph+ gusts.  A very large tree came apart (probably a 
tornado) and blew that and a bunch of other stuff into a Rohn 25G 150ft. and 
brought it down.  Trashed everything on the tower also. So, there is a $ 15K 
hit to get a new one up (Rohn 45G)  and they just got the land cleared 
yesterday,  trying to get new foundation work done.

It was a tower site that we acquired and the foundations turned out to be 
substandard, so we have to start from scratch and the property owner is not 
contributing as he “Doesn’t make enough money from it”.

Our paypal address is pa...@pdmnet.net

Paul

From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Steve Jones
Sent: Friday, September 15, 2017 12:56 AM
To: af@afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Pauls cashflow with afmug

Last update btw, was about 1800 bucks a year without support.

On Sep 14, 2017 11:30 PM, "Steve Jones" 
> wrote:
Its been a bit since a benefit drive for the list. Current situations with 
weather and all might indicate a need for an afmug influx again. My donations 
come out of my personal pockets. Im personally rich in spirit, poor in cash. 
But can we get the paypal address back up so right now that cashflow isnt a 
concern?

[AFMUG] RD-5G30-LW vs. RD-5G30

[Paul McCall]

How do these lightweight dishes perform compared to the regular ones?   Is the 
mount the same or is it the same.   For $ 40 less times a bunch of them I need, 
its worth the question.

Obviously, I can't skimp on construction in Florida, so needing to ask the 
question to those who have used them

Paul

Paul McCall, President
PDMNet, Inc. / Florida Broadband, Inc.
658 Old Dixie Highway
Vero Beach, FL 32962
772-564-6800
pa...@pdmnet.net<mailto:pa...@pdmnet.net>
www.pdmnet.com<http://www.pdmnet.com>
www.floridabroadband.com<http://www.floridabroadband.com>

Re: [AFMUG] Storm recovery in Florida

[Paul McCall]

Yes, from our side, compensation is expected.

From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Faisal Imtiaz
Sent: Wednesday, September 6, 2017 6:01 PM
To: af@afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Storm recovery in Florida

I would think so at the end of the day we are all commercial entities..

Regards.

Faisal Imtiaz
Snappy Internet & Telecom
7266 SW 48 Street
Miami, FL 33155
Tel: 305 663 5518 x 232

Help-desk: (305)663-5518 Option 2 or Email: 
supp...@snappytelecom.net<mailto:supp...@snappytelecom.net>


From: "Steve Jones" 
<thatoneguyst...@gmail.com<mailto:thatoneguyst...@gmail.com>>
To: af@afmug.com<mailto:af@afmug.com>
Sent: Wednesday, September 6, 2017 2:08:09 PM
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Storm recovery in Florida
that's actually a pretty fair question to ask

On Wed, Sep 6, 2017 at 1:01 PM, Sterling Jacobson 
<sterl...@avative.net<mailto:sterl...@avative.net>> wrote:

I don’t have employees, but I do have a very good contractor that might be able 
to help out.

I would miss him terribly for a week or two, and I don’t think he can afford to 
volunteer.

Seems dumb to ask, but would there be compensation for contractors by chance?

From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com<mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com>] On Behalf 
Of Paul McCall
Sent: Wednesday, September 6, 2017 5:30 AM
To: af@afmug.com<mailto:af@afmug.com>
Subject: [AFMUG] Storm recovery in Florida

I know I speak for myself and Gino, that we both will likely need extra 
personnel to recovery from Irma after the storm passes.  We have 38 towers 
across 4 counties in SouthEast Florida, and have prepared as best we can.  We 
have been down this road before and it is not fun.

It looks like regardless of the direct track of the storm, our customers will 
be significantly impacted.

If there is anyone who can spare a good employee for a week or two afterwards, 
it would be greatly appreciated  they will be welcomed warmly and treated very 
well.

Paul

Paul McCall, President
PDMNet, Inc. / Florida Broadband, Inc.
658 Old Dixie Highway
Vero Beach, FL 32962
772-564-6800<tel:(772)%20564-6800>
pa...@pdmnet.net<mailto:pa...@pdmnet.net>
www.pdmnet.com<http://www.pdmnet.com>
www.floridabroadband.com<http://www.floridabroadband.com>

Re: [AFMUG] Storm recovery in Florida

[Paul McCall]

Yes, we have a coordinated physical disconnect from the power grid (and pull 
the fuse on the batteries.  We have utilize locals to help on the 
non-commercial towers (and a few of the commercial ones… hh) .

We advise customers to unplug all their gear and that we will be doing the 
coordinated shutdown, etc.

So, in theory after the storm, it starts with re-alignments of tower BHs’s from 
the inside outwards and dealing with any wind damage. Praying we don’t have 
actual towers down.

So, yes, those are great suggestions that we have implemented since the first 
major hurricane we had in 2004.  Customers are pretty understanding.

But, we will of course, have a lot of customers with misc. issues, from dead 
radios / routers because they didn’t unplug it, or misalignments or wire damage 
where something came loose and rubbed on something else for hours, or enough 
for water to get in.  Those kind of things take a lot of the recovery effort.  
Its just a lot to cover with normal staff.

Everyone’s Internet has become s important (in most cases legitimately) 
that after 3 or 4 days customers start being very vocal, some wanting to cancel 
etc.

Paul

From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Cameron Crum
Sent: Wednesday, September 6, 2017 9:30 AM
To: af@afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Storm recovery in Florida

Wondering if you shut off to all your equipment and physically remove the power 
from the grid where possible if it will help? Obviously there is the wind 
damage, but I would think minimizing any strikes or power surges could save a 
lot of headache after. Let your customers a couple hours before landfall, the 
network will start going offline from south to north and then come up in that 
direction as soon as the storm is over. I know it is a lot of area to cover, 
but it might save your ass.

On Wed, Sep 6, 2017 at 6:29 AM, Paul McCall 
<pa...@pdmnet.net<mailto:pa...@pdmnet.net>> wrote:
I know I speak for myself and Gino, that we both will likely need extra 
personnel to recovery from Irma after the storm passes.  We have 38 towers 
across 4 counties in SouthEast Florida, and have prepared as best we can.  We 
have been down this road before and it is not fun.

It looks like regardless of the direct track of the storm, our customers will 
be significantly impacted.

If there is anyone who can spare a good employee for a week or two afterwards, 
it would be greatly appreciated  they will be welcomed warmly and treated very 
well.

Paul

Paul McCall, President
PDMNet, Inc. / Florida Broadband, Inc.
658 Old Dixie Highway
Vero Beach, FL 32962
772-564-6800<tel:(772)%20564-6800>
pa...@pdmnet.net<mailto:pa...@pdmnet.net>
www.pdmnet.com<http://www.pdmnet.com>
www.floridabroadband.com<http://www.floridabroadband.com>

[AFMUG] Storm recovery in Florida

[Paul McCall]

I know I speak for myself and Gino, that we both will likely need extra 
personnel to recovery from Irma after the storm passes.  We have 38 towers 
across 4 counties in SouthEast Florida, and have prepared as best we can.  We 
have been down this road before and it is not fun.

It looks like regardless of the direct track of the storm, our customers will 
be significantly impacted.

If there is anyone who can spare a good employee for a week or two afterwards, 
it would be greatly appreciated  they will be welcomed warmly and treated very 
well.

Paul

Paul McCall, President
PDMNet, Inc. / Florida Broadband, Inc.
658 Old Dixie Highway
Vero Beach, FL 32962
772-564-6800
pa...@pdmnet.net<mailto:pa...@pdmnet.net>
www.pdmnet.com<http://www.pdmnet.com>
www.floridabroadband.com<http://www.floridabroadband.com>

Re: [AFMUG] OT: Hurricane Irma

[Paul McCall]

Praying for you Gino!

From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Gino A. Villarini
Sent: Tuesday, September 5, 2017 4:07 PM
To: af@afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT: Hurricane Irma

Evacuations? Where to?

We fall under FEMA

From: Af <af-boun...@afmug.com<mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com>> on behalf of Steve 
Jones <thatoneguyst...@gmail.com<mailto:thatoneguyst...@gmail.com>>
Reply-To: "af@afmug.com<mailto:af@afmug.com>" 
<af@afmug.com<mailto:af@afmug.com>>
Date: Tuesday, September 5, 2017 at 1:44 PM
To: "af@afmug.com<mailto:af@afmug.com>" <af@afmug.com<mailto:af@afmug.com>>
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT: Hurricane Irma

Is PR running evacuations or anything? I dont know much about their elevations 
or anything, but its looking pretty grim.  Are they under the FEMA umbrella as 
a territory?




Gino A. Villarini

President

Metro Office Park #18 Suite 304 Guaynabo, Puerto Rico 00968


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On Tue, Sep 5, 2017 at 12:31 PM, George Skorup 
<george.sko...@cbcast.com<mailto:george.sko...@cbcast.com>> wrote:
Holy shit. 200MPH wind ain't nothin to fux with.
On 9/5/2017 10:03 AM, Josh Reynolds wrote:
Have you considered heading to the US mainland? :(

On Sep 5, 2017 10:01 AM, "Gino A. Villarini" 
<g...@aeronetpr.com<mailto:g...@aeronetpr.com>> wrote:
Gusts up to 216 mph...  this does not look good

From: Af <af-boun...@afmug.com<mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com>> on behalf of Paul 
McCall <pa...@pdmnet.net<mailto:pa...@pdmnet.net>>
Reply-To: "af@afmug.com<mailto:af@afmug.com>" 
<af@afmug.com<mailto:af@afmug.com>>
Date: Tuesday, September 5, 2017 at 9:06 AM
To: "af@afmug.com<mailto:af@afmug.com>" <af@afmug.com<mailto:af@afmug.com>>
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT: Hurricane Irma

We are all praying...

From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Jaime Solorza
Sent: Monday, September 4, 2017 11:06 PM
To: Animal Farm <af@afmug.com<mailto:af@afmug.com>>
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT: Hurricane Irma

Prayers headed their way..




Gino A. Villarini

President

Metro Office Park #18 Suite 304 Guaynabo, Puerto Rico 00968


[cid:part10.95AF01B1.0BFD3D53@cbcast.com]
On Sep 4, 2017 9:03 PM, "George Skorup" 
<george.sko...@cbcast.com<mailto:george.sko...@cbcast.com>> wrote:
I'm sure Gino and Mike in PR and VI are prepping. Stay safe down there guys!

Re: [AFMUG] OT: Hurricane Irma

[Paul McCall]

We are all praying…

From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Jaime Solorza
Sent: Monday, September 4, 2017 11:06 PM
To: Animal Farm 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT: Hurricane Irma

Prayers headed their way..

On Sep 4, 2017 9:03 PM, "George Skorup" 
> wrote:
I'm sure Gino and Mike in PR and VI are prepping. Stay safe down there guys!

Re: [AFMUG] anyone else getting two copies ?

[Paul McCall]

No extra charge for the 2nd copy either.  If you want emails in triplicate, 
then yes, we do charge extra for that 

From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of ch...@wbmfg.com
Sent: Thursday, August 10, 2017 4:30 PM
To: af@afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] anyone else getting two copies ?

Say again, words twice, student pilot...

From: Forrest Christian (List Account)
Sent: Thursday, August 10, 2017 2:29 PM
To: af
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] anyone else getting two copies ?

wwhhaatt  ddoo  yyoouu mmeeaann bbyy ttwwoo ccooppiieess??

On Thu, Aug 10, 2017 at 12:41 PM, Dennis Burgess 
> wrote:



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MikroTik Certified 
Trainer/Consultant
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For Wireless Hardware/Routers visit www.linktechs.net
Radio Frequency Coverages: www.towercoverage.com
Office: 314-735-0270
E-Mail: dmburg...@linktechs.net




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Tel: 406-449-3345 | Address: 3577 Countryside Road, Helena, MT 59602
forre...@imach.com | 
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Re: [AFMUG] Public WifI protection

[Paul McCall]

The Guest Wifi is on a complete different network (with rules) so no worries 
with Hippa etc.  The data sync service runs at night (on a different port – 
with rules etc.).  I guess mentioning that was irrelevant.

I think you can force OpenDNS with a Mikrotik rule that redirects and DNS 
requests to OpenDNS (I think you can)

Paul

From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Timothy Steele
Sent: Thursday, August 10, 2017 5:41 AM
To: af@afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Public WifI protection


That data sync better be on a VPN and the guest Wifi better be on a Vlan you 
can get them and you in a lot of trouble... OpenDNS is good anyone that knows 
what there doing will get around Dns easy.. best way is to get real personal 
data some how and show guest or atleast use the script that shows them there 
location on the captive portal page to scare them a bit

On Thu, Aug 10, 2017, 1:14 AM Steve Jones 
<thatoneguyst...@gmail.com<mailto:thatoneguyst...@gmail.com>> wrote:
This is healthcare man. Mention hipaa ant the purse strings open. Mention it 
digitally, via email, and note that in the email. You'll be running l7 filters 
right away, drop a bmu with a procera box with a 10 percent markup

On Aug 9, 2017 12:30 PM, "Josh Luthman" 
<j...@imaginenetworksllc.com<mailto:j...@imaginenetworksllc.com>> wrote:
If it's guest WiFi for people getting on Facebook/Instagram while sitting in 
the waiting room, I would definitely start with OpenDNS.  Check all of the 
things that need filtered out like porn, spyware, illegal stuff, etc.


Josh Luthman
Office: 937-552-2340<tel:(937)%20552-2340>
Direct: 937-552-2343<tel:(937)%20552-2343>
1100 Wayne St
Suite 1337
Troy, OH 45373

On Wed, Aug 9, 2017 at 12:09 PM, Paul McCall 
<pa...@pdmnet.net<mailto:pa...@pdmnet.net>> wrote:
We provide bandwidth to our local hospital and they use our connection for data 
sync offsite at night, but during the day it mostly serves their “Guest Wifi”.

They have had some abuse (file sharing) to the point where we have been getting 
notices on it.   Looking for options. (simple).   Does a solution like OpenDNS 
work in the case of file sharing or is there stuff IP based (not using DNS)?

Is OpenDNS the best one to use ?

Paul

Paul McCall, President
PDMNet, Inc. / Florida Broadband, Inc.
658 Old Dixie Highway
Vero Beach, FL 32962
772-564-6800<tel:(772)%20564-6800>
pa...@pdmnet.net<mailto:pa...@pdmnet.net>
www.pdmnet.com<http://www.pdmnet.com>
www.floridabroadband.com<http://www.floridabroadband.com>

[AFMUG] Public WifI protection

[Paul McCall]

We provide bandwidth to our local hospital and they use our connection for data 
sync offsite at night, but during the day it mostly serves their "Guest Wifi".

They have had some abuse (file sharing) to the point where we have been getting 
notices on it.   Looking for options. (simple).   Does a solution like OpenDNS 
work in the case of file sharing or is there stuff IP based (not using DNS)?

Is OpenDNS the best one to use ?

Paul

Paul McCall, President
PDMNet, Inc. / Florida Broadband, Inc.
658 Old Dixie Highway
Vero Beach, FL 32962
772-564-6800
pa...@pdmnet.net<mailto:pa...@pdmnet.net>
www.pdmnet.com<http://www.pdmnet.com>
www.floridabroadband.com<http://www.floridabroadband.com>

Re: [AFMUG] Any SOHO router (cost effective) that does SFP+?

[Paul McCall]

Yes, at least a couple ports.   I suppose I am looking at a CCR that has enough 
SFP+ ports to support 2 or 3 PCs at 10Gbit connection.

This is all a bit down the road (90 days) so perhaps there will be a lower cost 
multi SFP+ port CCR out by then.  Right now, the CCR1009 at sub $ 400 would 
have one IN and one OUT.

I may be thinking a little ahead of my time 

From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Gino A. Villarini
Sent: Saturday, August 5, 2017 9:29 AM
To: af@afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Any SOHO router (cost effective) that does SFP+?

Ohh I missed the SFP+ … hmm not many options partner

Does it has to have 10G electrical too?

From: Af <af-boun...@afmug.com<mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com>> on behalf of Paul 
McCall <pa...@pdmnet.net<mailto:pa...@pdmnet.net>>
Reply-To: "af@afmug.com<mailto:af@afmug.com>" 
<af@afmug.com<mailto:af@afmug.com>>
Date: Saturday, August 5, 2017 at 9:15 AM
To: "af@afmug.com<mailto:af@afmug.com>" <af@afmug.com<mailto:af@afmug.com>>
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Any SOHO router (cost effective) that does SFP+?

3 GBs

From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Gino A. Villarini
Sent: Friday, August 4, 2017 12:34 PM
To: af@afmug.com<mailto:af@afmug.com>
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Any SOHO router (cost effective) that does SFP+?

What kinds of speeds you want to support?

From: Af <af-boun...@afmug.com<mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com>> on behalf of Paul 
McCall <pa...@pdmnet.net<mailto:pa...@pdmnet.net>>
Reply-To: "af@afmug.com<mailto:af@afmug.com>" 
<af@afmug.com<mailto:af@afmug.com>>
Date: Friday, August 4, 2017 at 12:24 PM
To: "af@afmug.com<mailto:af@afmug.com>" <af@afmug.com<mailto:af@afmug.com>>
Subject: [AFMUG] Any SOHO router (cost effective) that does SFP+?

Any SOHO router (cost effective) that does SFP+?

Was considering negotiating to buy a bunch of SFP+ BiDi for a large 
implementation if I can get them around $ 60 a set (vs. $ 20 per set for 1GB 
SFP).  Then my cranial vault spewed forth a reminder that stanard CPE type 
routers don’t support that.  So, the question is, are there a few that I am not 
thinking of?

Paul

Paul McCall, President
PDMNet, Inc. / Florida Broadband, Inc.
658 Old Dixie Highway
Vero Beach, FL 32962
772-564-6800
pa...@pdmnet.net<mailto:pa...@pdmnet.net>
www.pdmnet.com<http://www.pdmnet.com>
www.floridabroadband.com<http://www.floridabroadband.com>





Gino A. Villarini

President

Metro Office Park #18 Suite 304 Guaynabo, Puerto Rico 00968


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Gino A. Villarini

President

Metro Office Park #18 Suite 304 Guaynabo, Puerto Rico 00968


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Re: [AFMUG] Any SOHO router (cost effective) that does SFP+?

[Paul McCall]

3 GBs

From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Gino A. Villarini
Sent: Friday, August 4, 2017 12:34 PM
To: af@afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Any SOHO router (cost effective) that does SFP+?

What kinds of speeds you want to support?

From: Af <af-boun...@afmug.com<mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com>> on behalf of Paul 
McCall <pa...@pdmnet.net<mailto:pa...@pdmnet.net>>
Reply-To: "af@afmug.com<mailto:af@afmug.com>" 
<af@afmug.com<mailto:af@afmug.com>>
Date: Friday, August 4, 2017 at 12:24 PM
To: "af@afmug.com<mailto:af@afmug.com>" <af@afmug.com<mailto:af@afmug.com>>
Subject: [AFMUG] Any SOHO router (cost effective) that does SFP+?

Any SOHO router (cost effective) that does SFP+?

Was considering negotiating to buy a bunch of SFP+ BiDi for a large 
implementation if I can get them around $ 60 a set (vs. $ 20 per set for 1GB 
SFP).  Then my cranial vault spewed forth a reminder that stanard CPE type 
routers don't support that.  So, the question is, are there a few that I am not 
thinking of?

Paul

Paul McCall, President
PDMNet, Inc. / Florida Broadband, Inc.
658 Old Dixie Highway
Vero Beach, FL 32962
772-564-6800
pa...@pdmnet.net<mailto:pa...@pdmnet.net>
www.pdmnet.com<http://www.pdmnet.com>
www.floridabroadband.com<http://www.floridabroadband.com>





Gino A. Villarini

President

Metro Office Park #18 Suite 304 Guaynabo, Puerto Rico 00968


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[AFMUG] Any SOHO router (cost effective) that does SFP+?

[Paul McCall]

Any SOHO router (cost effective) that does SFP+?

Was considering negotiating to buy a bunch of SFP+ BiDi for a large 
implementation if I can get them around $ 60 a set (vs. $ 20 per set for 1GB 
SFP).  Then my cranial vault spewed forth a reminder that stanard CPE type 
routers don't support that.  So, the question is, are there a few that I am not 
thinking of?

Paul

Paul McCall, President
PDMNet, Inc. / Florida Broadband, Inc.
658 Old Dixie Highway
Vero Beach, FL 32962
772-564-6800
pa...@pdmnet.net<mailto:pa...@pdmnet.net>
www.pdmnet.com<http://www.pdmnet.com>
www.floridabroadband.com<http://www.floridabroadband.com>

Re: [AFMUG] Article on Mimosa's proposal for the C-Band

[Paul McCall]

Good article

From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Rory Conaway
Sent: Thursday, August 3, 2017 10:38 AM
To: af@afmug.com
Subject: [AFMUG] Article on Mimosa's proposal for the C-Band

http://www.multichannel.com/blog/i-was-saying/fcc-launching-inquiry-examine-sharing-c-band-spectrum/414342

Rory Conaway * Triad Wireless * CEO
4226 S. 37th Street * Phoenix * AZ 85040
602-426-0542
r...@triadwireless.net
www.triadwireless.net

"A hot dog at the game beats roast beef at the Ritz." - Humphrey Bogart

Re: [AFMUG] Choice on Power Panels at new install

[Paul McCall]

Sure…..

From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Lewis Bergman
Sent: Wednesday, July 26, 2017 4:11 PM
To: af@afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Choice on Power Panels at new install

I can probably post a recent R56 on a download site if you want it.

On Wed, Jul 26, 2017 at 3:05 PM Paul McCall 
<pa...@pdmnet.net<mailto:pa...@pdmnet.net>> wrote:
Lewis,

I am going to try your recommendation on some of the towers that I own.

Paul

From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com<mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com>] On Behalf 
Of Lewis Bergman
Sent: Wednesday, July 26, 2017 4:04 PM

To: af@afmug.com<mailto:af@afmug.com>
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Choice on Power Panels at new install

I like putting a panel protector in. It doesn't hep in a very near strike but 
it does with the incoming stuff off the grid.

On Wed, Jul 26, 2017 at 3:02 PM Paul McCall 
<pa...@pdmnet.net<mailto:pa...@pdmnet.net>> wrote:
Yep, we run 10 gauge out the 200ft.  our own breaker, plenty of room in the 
panel.  We beef up the ground in the service panel that feeds us < 5ohm, and 
often install a panel protector there as well as next to the tower panel.

From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com<mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com>] On Behalf 
Of Lewis Bergman
Sent: Wednesday, July 26, 2017 1:15 PM

To: af@afmug.com<mailto:af@afmug.com>
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Choice on Power Panels at new install

Not if there is sufficient line gauge to support the load and there is room in 
the panel.

On Wed, Jul 26, 2017 at 11:58 AM Paul McCall 
<pa...@pdmnet.net<mailto:pa...@pdmnet.net>> wrote:
That’s what I was thinking, but I wanted others opinions.



From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com<mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com>] On Behalf 
Of Steve Jones
Sent: Wednesday, July 26, 2017 12:57 PM
To: af@afmug.com<mailto:af@afmug.com>
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Choice on Power Panels at new install

Less points of failure at the main, one less breaker, one less spot for some 
random dude to shut something off. 50 foot isn't all that far unless we are 
talking about boring through 50 foot of concrete, bonding your ground to the 
main rather than the sub panel means less chance of you shunting for the 
subpanel

On Wed, Jul 26, 2017 at 10:54 AM, Paul McCall 
<pa...@pdmnet.net<mailto:pa...@pdmnet.net>> wrote:
Electrical opinions wanted.

On a new tower, the main panel is 200ft. away and a harder run to get to (but 
doable).

There is a subpanel in a barn 150ft. away.  Often we go to the easiest place, 
but am taking a step back at all this kind of stuff (you can tell by my other 
threads).  Regardless, we are going to put our own panel at out equipment box 
at the base of the tower, drive our own electrical ground, install panel 
protector , bond to the tower, etc.

Is there a reason we would want to be on the main panel (more direct) vs a 
subpanel (one hop in the middle but closer) ??

Paul

Paul McCall, President
PDMNet, Inc. / Florida Broadband, Inc.
658 Old Dixie Highway
Vero Beach, FL 32962
772-564-6800<tel:(772)%20564-6800>
pa...@pdmnet.net<mailto:pa...@pdmnet.net>
www.pdmnet.com<http://www.pdmnet.com>
www.floridabroadband.com<http://www.floridabroadband.com>

Re: [AFMUG] Choice on Power Panels at new install

[Paul McCall]

Lewis,

I am going to try your recommendation on some of the towers that I own.

Paul

From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Lewis Bergman
Sent: Wednesday, July 26, 2017 4:04 PM
To: af@afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Choice on Power Panels at new install

I like putting a panel protector in. It doesn't hep in a very near strike but 
it does with the incoming stuff off the grid.

On Wed, Jul 26, 2017 at 3:02 PM Paul McCall 
<pa...@pdmnet.net<mailto:pa...@pdmnet.net>> wrote:
Yep, we run 10 gauge out the 200ft.  our own breaker, plenty of room in the 
panel.  We beef up the ground in the service panel that feeds us < 5ohm, and 
often install a panel protector there as well as next to the tower panel.

From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com<mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com>] On Behalf 
Of Lewis Bergman
Sent: Wednesday, July 26, 2017 1:15 PM

To: af@afmug.com<mailto:af@afmug.com>
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Choice on Power Panels at new install

Not if there is sufficient line gauge to support the load and there is room in 
the panel.

On Wed, Jul 26, 2017 at 11:58 AM Paul McCall 
<pa...@pdmnet.net<mailto:pa...@pdmnet.net>> wrote:
That’s what I was thinking, but I wanted others opinions.



From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com<mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com>] On Behalf 
Of Steve Jones
Sent: Wednesday, July 26, 2017 12:57 PM
To: af@afmug.com<mailto:af@afmug.com>
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Choice on Power Panels at new install

Less points of failure at the main, one less breaker, one less spot for some 
random dude to shut something off. 50 foot isn't all that far unless we are 
talking about boring through 50 foot of concrete, bonding your ground to the 
main rather than the sub panel means less chance of you shunting for the 
subpanel

On Wed, Jul 26, 2017 at 10:54 AM, Paul McCall 
<pa...@pdmnet.net<mailto:pa...@pdmnet.net>> wrote:
Electrical opinions wanted.

On a new tower, the main panel is 200ft. away and a harder run to get to (but 
doable).

There is a subpanel in a barn 150ft. away.  Often we go to the easiest place, 
but am taking a step back at all this kind of stuff (you can tell by my other 
threads).  Regardless, we are going to put our own panel at out equipment box 
at the base of the tower, drive our own electrical ground, install panel 
protector , bond to the tower, etc.

Is there a reason we would want to be on the main panel (more direct) vs a 
subpanel (one hop in the middle but closer) ??

Paul

Paul McCall, President
PDMNet, Inc. / Florida Broadband, Inc.
658 Old Dixie Highway
Vero Beach, FL 32962
772-564-6800<tel:(772)%20564-6800>
pa...@pdmnet.net<mailto:pa...@pdmnet.net>
www.pdmnet.com<http://www.pdmnet.com>
www.floridabroadband.com<http://www.floridabroadband.com>

Re: [AFMUG] Choice on Power Panels at new install

[Paul McCall]

Yep, we run 10 gauge out the 200ft.  our own breaker, plenty of room in the 
panel.  We beef up the ground in the service panel that feeds us < 5ohm, and 
often install a panel protector there as well as next to the tower panel.

From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Lewis Bergman
Sent: Wednesday, July 26, 2017 1:15 PM
To: af@afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Choice on Power Panels at new install

Not if there is sufficient line gauge to support the load and there is room in 
the panel.

On Wed, Jul 26, 2017 at 11:58 AM Paul McCall 
<pa...@pdmnet.net<mailto:pa...@pdmnet.net>> wrote:
That’s what I was thinking, but I wanted others opinions.



From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com<mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com>] On Behalf 
Of Steve Jones
Sent: Wednesday, July 26, 2017 12:57 PM
To: af@afmug.com<mailto:af@afmug.com>
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Choice on Power Panels at new install

Less points of failure at the main, one less breaker, one less spot for some 
random dude to shut something off. 50 foot isn't all that far unless we are 
talking about boring through 50 foot of concrete, bonding your ground to the 
main rather than the sub panel means less chance of you shunting for the 
subpanel

On Wed, Jul 26, 2017 at 10:54 AM, Paul McCall 
<pa...@pdmnet.net<mailto:pa...@pdmnet.net>> wrote:
Electrical opinions wanted.

On a new tower, the main panel is 200ft. away and a harder run to get to (but 
doable).

There is a subpanel in a barn 150ft. away.  Often we go to the easiest place, 
but am taking a step back at all this kind of stuff (you can tell by my other 
threads).  Regardless, we are going to put our own panel at out equipment box 
at the base of the tower, drive our own electrical ground, install panel 
protector , bond to the tower, etc.

Is there a reason we would want to be on the main panel (more direct) vs a 
subpanel (one hop in the middle but closer) ??

Paul

Paul McCall, President
PDMNet, Inc. / Florida Broadband, Inc.
658 Old Dixie Highway
Vero Beach, FL 32962
772-564-6800<tel:(772)%20564-6800>
pa...@pdmnet.net<mailto:pa...@pdmnet.net>
www.pdmnet.com<http://www.pdmnet.com>
www.floridabroadband.com<http://www.floridabroadband.com>

Re: [AFMUG] Choice on Power Panels at new install

[Paul McCall]

That’s what I was thinking, but I wanted others opinions.



From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Steve Jones
Sent: Wednesday, July 26, 2017 12:57 PM
To: af@afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Choice on Power Panels at new install

Less points of failure at the main, one less breaker, one less spot for some 
random dude to shut something off. 50 foot isn't all that far unless we are 
talking about boring through 50 foot of concrete, bonding your ground to the 
main rather than the sub panel means less chance of you shunting for the 
subpanel

On Wed, Jul 26, 2017 at 10:54 AM, Paul McCall 
<pa...@pdmnet.net<mailto:pa...@pdmnet.net>> wrote:
Electrical opinions wanted.

On a new tower, the main panel is 200ft. away and a harder run to get to (but 
doable).

There is a subpanel in a barn 150ft. away.  Often we go to the easiest place, 
but am taking a step back at all this kind of stuff (you can tell by my other 
threads).  Regardless, we are going to put our own panel at out equipment box 
at the base of the tower, drive our own electrical ground, install panel 
protector , bond to the tower, etc.

Is there a reason we would want to be on the main panel (more direct) vs a 
subpanel (one hop in the middle but closer) ??

Paul

Paul McCall, President
PDMNet, Inc. / Florida Broadband, Inc.
658 Old Dixie Highway
Vero Beach, FL 32962
772-564-6800<tel:(772)%20564-6800>
pa...@pdmnet.net<mailto:pa...@pdmnet.net>
www.pdmnet.com<http://www.pdmnet.com>
www.floridabroadband.com<http://www.floridabroadband.com>

[AFMUG] Choice on Power Panels at new install

[Paul McCall]

Electrical opinions wanted.

On a new tower, the main panel is 200ft. away and a harder run to get to (but 
doable).

There is a subpanel in a barn 150ft. away.  Often we go to the easiest place, 
but am taking a step back at all this kind of stuff (you can tell by my other 
threads).  Regardless, we are going to put our own panel at out equipment box 
at the base of the tower, drive our own electrical ground, install panel 
protector , bond to the tower, etc.

Is there a reason we would want to be on the main panel (more direct) vs a 
subpanel (one hop in the middle but closer) ??

Paul

Paul McCall, President
PDMNet, Inc. / Florida Broadband, Inc.
658 Old Dixie Highway
Vero Beach, FL 32962
772-564-6800
pa...@pdmnet.net<mailto:pa...@pdmnet.net>
www.pdmnet.com<http://www.pdmnet.com>
www.floridabroadband.com<http://www.floridabroadband.com>

[AFMUG] FW: Tower Top Grounding discussion

[Paul McCall]

I believe that will be our starting point, going to an isolated Ground bar and 
running our own ground wire down the tower.  2/0 gets expensive and 450ft. but 
so does losing lots of gear 

Paul

From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Carl Peterson
Sent: Tuesday, July 25, 2017 3:05 PM
To: af@afmug.com<mailto:af@afmug.com>
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Tower Top Grounding discussion

At a minimum, I would isolate your ground bar from the tower and run your own 
down conductor and then ground all your mounts and equipment to your ground 
bar.  If that doesn't cut it you could try adding isolation between your mounts 
ant the tower but I doubt that is really needed.

On Tue, Jul 25, 2017 at 1:38 PM, Paul McCall 
<pa...@pdmnet.net<mailto:pa...@pdmnet.net>> wrote:
Lewis,

On option 2, if you are just leasing space on a tower such as Crown Castle, 
etc., I have doubts that they would allow me to install the 8’ rod at the top 
and run the 2/0 down the tower.  So, would you, just do a 2/0 starting at your 
equipment area, bond to the tower at that height, and go down from there?

On the “bonding everything together” scenario, if the tower ground is not as 
good as the other grounds going down the tower (mine, the cellular companies, 
etc.) won’t the differential in impedance cause the lightning to 1) likely take 
the lesser impedance path down and/or 2) have the voltage not rise and fall 
together and bad things happen from that?

Paul
From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com<mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com>] On Behalf 
Of Lewis Bergman
Sent: Monday, July 24, 2017 1:47 PM
To: af@afmug.com<mailto:af@afmug.com>
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Tower Top Grounding discussion

On 1. it will be really difficult to completely isolate a piece of equipment 
unless it is designed to float but good luck. If you are truly going to isolate 
everything from ground then you won't need to worry about #2 as all will float. 
You should check that the antenna you are using don't require a ground plane.
On 2. I Cadweld a 2/0 jacketed to an 8' rod at the top of the tower, not 
isolated. I then bond (15 ton Hydraulic Crimp) it to a bus bar 5' below the top 
for equipment grounds. Anywhere else there is a cluster of equipment I also put 
a bus bar. I then take that 2/0 to the bottom to the last bus bar and then into 
the ground ring.


  1.  Wondering what materials people are using to isolate their mounts?  What 
is sufficient?  Would the rubber from a thick radiator hose be enough to keep 
the lightning from coming through?  Double thicknesses?

One consultant recommended starboard, but I am not sure how I will craft that 
into a work piece that would mold around a tower leg and be able to grip it.


  1.  What size wire should be going down the tower to bond to my tower / 
electrical ground?

I am assuming it should be insulated but is normal THHN jacketing enough to 
have it truly isolate from something jumping over or does it have be in conduit.


Paul

Paul McCall, President
PDMNet, Inc. / Florida Broadband, Inc.
658 Old Dixie Highway
Vero Beach, FL 32962
772-564-6800<tel:(772)%20564-6800>
pa...@pdmnet.net<mailto:pa...@pdmnet.net>
www.pdmnet.com<http://www.pdmnet.com>
www.floridabroadband.com<http://www.floridabroadband.com>





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Re: [AFMUG] Tower Top Grounding discussion

[Paul McCall]

I believe that will be our starting point, going to an isolated Ground bar.

Paul

From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Carl Peterson
Sent: Tuesday, July 25, 2017 3:05 PM
To: af@afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Tower Top Grounding discussion

At a minimum, I would isolate your ground bar from the tower and run your own 
down conductor and then ground all your mounts and equipment to your ground 
bar.  If that doesn't cut it you could try adding isolation between your mounts 
ant the tower but I doubt that is really needed.

On Tue, Jul 25, 2017 at 1:38 PM, Paul McCall 
<pa...@pdmnet.net<mailto:pa...@pdmnet.net>> wrote:
Lewis,

On option 2, if you are just leasing space on a tower such as Crown Castle, 
etc., I have doubts that they would allow me to install the 8’ rod at the top 
and run the 2/0 down the tower.  So, would you, just do a 2/0 starting at your 
equipment area, bond to the tower at that height, and go down from there?

On the “bonding everything together” scenario, if the tower ground is not as 
good as the other grounds going down the tower (mine, the cellular companies, 
etc.) won’t the differential in impedance cause the lightning to 1) likely take 
the lesser impedance path down and/or 2) have the voltage not rise and fall 
together and bad things happen from that?

Paul
From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com<mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com>] On Behalf 
Of Lewis Bergman
Sent: Monday, July 24, 2017 1:47 PM
To: af@afmug.com<mailto:af@afmug.com>
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Tower Top Grounding discussion

On 1. it will be really difficult to completely isolate a piece of equipment 
unless it is designed to float but good luck. If you are truly going to isolate 
everything from ground then you won't need to worry about #2 as all will float. 
You should check that the antenna you are using don't require a ground plane.
On 2. I Cadweld a 2/0 jacketed to an 8' rod at the top of the tower, not 
isolated. I then bond (15 ton Hydraulic Crimp) it to a bus bar 5' below the top 
for equipment grounds. Anywhere else there is a cluster of equipment I also put 
a bus bar. I then take that 2/0 to the bottom to the last bus bar and then into 
the ground ring.


  1.  Wondering what materials people are using to isolate their mounts?  What 
is sufficient?  Would the rubber from a thick radiator hose be enough to keep 
the lightning from coming through?  Double thicknesses?

One consultant recommended starboard, but I am not sure how I will craft that 
into a work piece that would mold around a tower leg and be able to grip it.


  1.  What size wire should be going down the tower to bond to my tower / 
electrical ground?

I am assuming it should be insulated but is normal THHN jacketing enough to 
have it truly isolate from something jumping over or does it have be in conduit.


Paul

Paul McCall, President
PDMNet, Inc. / Florida Broadband, Inc.
658 Old Dixie Highway
Vero Beach, FL 32962
772-564-6800<tel:(772)%20564-6800>
pa...@pdmnet.net<mailto:pa...@pdmnet.net>
www.pdmnet.com<http://www.pdmnet.com>
www.floridabroadband.com<http://www.floridabroadband.com>





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Re: [AFMUG] Tower Top Grounding discussion

[Paul McCall]

Lewis,

On option 2, if you are just leasing space on a tower such as Crown Castle, 
etc., I have doubts that they would allow me to install the 8’ rod at the top 
and run the 2/0 down the tower.  So, would you, just do a 2/0 starting at your 
equipment area, bond to the tower at that height, and go down from there?

On the “bonding everything together” scenario, if the tower ground is not as 
good as the other grounds going down the tower (mine, the cellular companies, 
etc.) won’t the differential in impedance cause the lightning to 1) likely take 
the lesser impedance path down and/or 2) have the voltage not rise and fall 
together and bad things happen from that?

Paul
From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Lewis Bergman
Sent: Monday, July 24, 2017 1:47 PM
To: af@afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Tower Top Grounding discussion

On 1. it will be really difficult to completely isolate a piece of equipment 
unless it is designed to float but good luck. If you are truly going to isolate 
everything from ground then you won't need to worry about #2 as all will float. 
You should check that the antenna you are using don't require a ground plane.
On 2. I Cadweld a 2/0 jacketed to an 8' rod at the top of the tower, not 
isolated. I then bond (15 ton Hydraulic Crimp) it to a bus bar 5' below the top 
for equipment grounds. Anywhere else there is a cluster of equipment I also put 
a bus bar. I then take that 2/0 to the bottom to the last bus bar and then into 
the ground ring.


  1.  Wondering what materials people are using to isolate their mounts?  What 
is sufficient?  Would the rubber from a thick radiator hose be enough to keep 
the lightning from coming through?  Double thicknesses?

One consultant recommended starboard, but I am not sure how I will craft that 
into a work piece that would mold around a tower leg and be able to grip it.


  1.  What size wire should be going down the tower to bond to my tower / 
electrical ground?

I am assuming it should be insulated but is normal THHN jacketing enough to 
have it truly isolate from something jumping over or does it have be in conduit.


Paul

Paul McCall, President
PDMNet, Inc. / Florida Broadband, Inc.
658 Old Dixie Highway
Vero Beach, FL 32962
772-564-6800<tel:(772)%20564-6800>
pa...@pdmnet.net<mailto:pa...@pdmnet.net>
www.pdmnet.com<http://www.pdmnet.com>
www.floridabroadband.com<http://www.floridabroadband.com>

Re: [AFMUG] Tower Top Grounding discussion

[Paul McCall]

I was told they are isolated  by the climber, using the red rubber isolators. 
However, not ALL of the carriers do that.  The subcontract from the cellular 
company we are using said that also some of the tennis have harden plastic (or 
similar material) at the bracket attachment point, thus isolating also.

For what its worth...

From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Gino A. Villarini
Sent: Monday, July 24, 2017 4:39 PM
To: af@afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Tower Top Grounding discussion

The grounding bus bars are isolated but I doubt the gear at the top is, the 
antennas and RRUs are bracketed to the tower...

From: Af <af-boun...@afmug.com<mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com>> on behalf of Paul 
McCall <pa...@pdmnet.net<mailto:pa...@pdmnet.net>>
Reply-To: "af@afmug.com<mailto:af@afmug.com>" 
<af@afmug.com<mailto:af@afmug.com>>
Date: Monday, July 24, 2017 at 2:29 PM
To: "af@afmug.com<mailto:af@afmug.com>" <af@afmug.com<mailto:af@afmug.com>>
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Tower Top Grounding discussion

Well, somehow this cellular guys survive these direct tower hits.  Tower # 1 
from the weekend is a 500' tower that we are at 410 feet on.  Two cellular 
providers right below us and a FM station and Lojack above us, and we were the 
only ones hit.  Cellular guys have isolated ground bars at the top that are 
connected to the outside shield on their large coax cables, with a "wrap kit".  
At the bottom of the tower, they have another isolated ground bar and attached 
the same kits to get the ground to the ground bar, then have their own grounds. 
 MOST are doing it that way.  I will send pictures of 2 different carriers on 
the same tower doing it differently.

Tower #2, is a 130ft water tower with Verizon.  They are at the top of the 
tower, have the same exact type setup.

This picture is from a 3rd tower (bottom) that I took pictures ... same thing.

We do have fiber and 48vdc to the top and 48vd protectors (Polyphaser) at the 
top at both these towers.  Everything blew, including the polyphaser that is 
grounded to the tower itself (on both towers).  Obviously, that isn't working :)




From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of 
ch...@wbmfg.com<mailto:ch...@wbmfg.com>
Sent: Monday, July 24, 2017 1:42 PM
To: af@afmug.com<mailto:af@afmug.com>
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Tower Top Grounding discussion

Nothing stops a direct hit.  It will blow up everything that gets in its way.
You are probably seeing induced surges from nearby strikes.

Fiber to the top.  Surge suppressors on the DC conductors.




Gino A. Villarini

President

Metro Office Park #18 Suite 304 Guaynabo, Puerto Rico 00968


[cid:image001.png@01D3049D.BB288D90]
From: Paul McCall
Sent: Monday, July 24, 2017 11:20 AM
To:af@afmug.com<mailto:af@afmug.com>
Subject: [AFMUG] Tower Top Grounding discussion

We have two 500ft towers that get hit a bunch, and a water tank that gets the 
same treatment from mother nature.

Anybody doing full isolation of all their antennas, equipment etc. at the top 
of the tower and then running your own ground down the tower?


  1.  Wondering what materials people are using to isolate their mounts?  What 
is sufficient?  Would the rubber from a thick radiator hose be enough to keep 
the lightning from coming through?  Double thicknesses?

One consultant recommended starboard, but I am not sure how I will craft that 
into a work piece that would mold around a tower leg and be able to grip it.


  1.  What size wire should be going down the tower to bond to my tower / 
electrical ground?

I am assuming it should be insulated but is normal THHN jacketing enough to 
have it truly isolate from something jumping over or does it have be in conduit.


Paul

Paul McCall, President
PDMNet, Inc. / Florida Broadband, Inc.
658 Old Dixie Highway
Vero Beach, FL 32962
772-564-6800
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Re: [AFMUG] Tower Top Grounding discussion

[Paul McCall]

I guess that is what they are thinking

From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Steve Jones
Sent: Monday, July 24, 2017 3:34 PM
To: af@afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Tower Top Grounding discussion

So theyre protecting themselves from a strike to the tower coming right into 
their gear on its way to ground with an airgap? The induced voltage that does 
get on the transmission lines will just shunt to ground via their isolated 
ground?

On Mon, Jul 24, 2017 at 1:55 PM, Paul McCall 
<pa...@pdmnet.net<mailto:pa...@pdmnet.net>> wrote:
In this case, I don’t own either tower, so doubtful I could convince them to 
put a 8’ rod at the top.

Do you Cambium antennas (ePMP 5 ghz  / 2.4 ghz) require a ground plane?

Paul


From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com<mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com>] On Behalf 
Of Lewis Bergman
Sent: Monday, July 24, 2017 1:47 PM
To: af@afmug.com<mailto:af@afmug.com>
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Tower Top Grounding discussion

On 1. it will be really difficult to completely isolate a piece of equipment 
unless it is designed to float but good luck. If you are truly going to isolate 
everything from ground then you won't need to worry about #2 as all will float. 
You should check that the antenna you are using don't require a ground plane.
On 2. I Cadweld a 2/0 jacketed to an 8' rod at the top of the tower, not 
isolated. I then bond (15 ton Hydraulic Crimp) it to a bus bar 5' below the top 
for equipment grounds. Anywhere else there is a cluster of equipment I also put 
a bus bar. I then take that 2/0 to the bottom to the last bus bar and then into 
the ground ring.


  1.  Wondering what materials people are using to isolate their mounts?  What 
is sufficient?  Would the rubber from a thick radiator hose be enough to keep 
the lightning from coming through?  Double thicknesses?

One consultant recommended starboard, but I am not sure how I will craft that 
into a work piece that would mold around a tower leg and be able to grip it.


  1.  What size wire should be going down the tower to bond to my tower / 
electrical ground?

I am assuming it should be insulated but is normal THHN jacketing enough to 
have it truly isolate from something jumping over or does it have be in conduit.


Paul

Paul McCall, President
PDMNet, Inc. / Florida Broadband, Inc.
658 Old Dixie Highway
Vero Beach, FL 32962
772-564-6800<tel:(772)%20564-6800>
pa...@pdmnet.net<mailto:pa...@pdmnet.net>
www.pdmnet.com<http://www.pdmnet.com>
www.floridabroadband.com<http://www.floridabroadband.com>

Re: [AFMUG] Tower Grounding - carrier 1 pictures

[Paul McCall]

Well, the pictures are what the cell guys do at the bottom.  In both cases, at 
the top the cell guys ground to an isolated bus bar.

In our case, at the top, we ground to a bus bar (not isolated).  So the center 
lug on the ePMP gets a 6 awg cable attached to it run to our bus bar (all at 
the top).  Or EP-S16 also gets a 6awg cable running from its ground lug to the 
ground bar.

Paul

From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Josh Luthman
Sent: Monday, July 24, 2017 3:03 PM
To: af@afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Tower Grounding - carrier 1 pictures

How are the APs grounded?  Just like in the pictures, between the cat5 and 
ground bar?


Josh Luthman
Office: 937-552-2340
Direct: 937-552-2343
1100 Wayne St
Suite 1337
Troy, OH 45373

On Mon, Jul 24, 2017 at 2:57 PM, Paul McCall 
<pa...@pdmnet.net<mailto:pa...@pdmnet.net>> wrote:
Our Cat5 is all tower top. Fiber to the EP-S16 then short runs to the APs 
(always less than 15 feet).  Since the APs are grounded to a bus bar (currently 
attached to the tower – not isolated).  We ground the shield and drain wire at 
the AP end

From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com<mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com>] On Behalf 
Of Josh Luthman
Sent: Monday, July 24, 2017 2:53 PM
To: af@afmug.com<mailto:af@afmug.com>
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Tower Grounding - carrier 1 pictures

Are you stripping the cat5 jacket and grounding the shielding like them?


Josh Luthman
Office: 937-552-2340<tel:(937)%20552-2340>
Direct: 937-552-2343<tel:(937)%20552-2343>
1100 Wayne St
Suite 1337
Troy, OH 45373

On Mon, Jul 24, 2017 at 2:30 PM, Paul McCall 
<pa...@pdmnet.net<mailto:pa...@pdmnet.net>> wrote:
Note that this first carrier is directly tied at the bottom of the tower (and 
isolated from the tower at the top)



Paul McCall, President
PDMNet, Inc. / Florida Broadband, Inc.
658 Old Dixie Highway
Vero Beach, FL 32962
772-564-6800<tel:(772)%20564-6800>
pa...@pdmnet.net<mailto:pa...@pdmnet.net>
www.pdmnet.com<http://www.pdmnet.com>
www.floridabroadband.com<http://www.floridabroadband.com>

Re: [AFMUG] Tower Grounding - carrier 1 pictures

[Paul McCall]

Our Cat5 is all tower top. Fiber to the EP-S16 then short runs to the APs 
(always less than 15 feet).  Since the APs are grounded to a bus bar (currently 
attached to the tower – not isolated).  We ground the shield and drain wire at 
the AP end

From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Josh Luthman
Sent: Monday, July 24, 2017 2:53 PM
To: af@afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Tower Grounding - carrier 1 pictures

Are you stripping the cat5 jacket and grounding the shielding like them?


Josh Luthman
Office: 937-552-2340
Direct: 937-552-2343
1100 Wayne St
Suite 1337
Troy, OH 45373

On Mon, Jul 24, 2017 at 2:30 PM, Paul McCall 
<pa...@pdmnet.net<mailto:pa...@pdmnet.net>> wrote:
Note that this first carrier is directly tied at the bottom of the tower (and 
isolated from the tower at the top)



Paul McCall, President
PDMNet, Inc. / Florida Broadband, Inc.
658 Old Dixie Highway
Vero Beach, FL 32962
772-564-6800<tel:(772)%20564-6800>
pa...@pdmnet.net<mailto:pa...@pdmnet.net>
www.pdmnet.com<http://www.pdmnet.com>
www.floridabroadband.com<http://www.floridabroadband.com>

Re: [AFMUG] Tower Top Grounding discussion

[Paul McCall]

In this case, I don’t own either tower, so doubtful I could convince them to 
put a 8’ rod at the top.

Do you Cambium antennas (ePMP 5 ghz  / 2.4 ghz) require a ground plane?

Paul


From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Lewis Bergman
Sent: Monday, July 24, 2017 1:47 PM
To: af@afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Tower Top Grounding discussion

On 1. it will be really difficult to completely isolate a piece of equipment 
unless it is designed to float but good luck. If you are truly going to isolate 
everything from ground then you won't need to worry about #2 as all will float. 
You should check that the antenna you are using don't require a ground plane.
On 2. I Cadweld a 2/0 jacketed to an 8' rod at the top of the tower, not 
isolated. I then bond (15 ton Hydraulic Crimp) it to a bus bar 5' below the top 
for equipment grounds. Anywhere else there is a cluster of equipment I also put 
a bus bar. I then take that 2/0 to the bottom to the last bus bar and then into 
the ground ring.


  1.  Wondering what materials people are using to isolate their mounts?  What 
is sufficient?  Would the rubber from a thick radiator hose be enough to keep 
the lightning from coming through?  Double thicknesses?

One consultant recommended starboard, but I am not sure how I will craft that 
into a work piece that would mold around a tower leg and be able to grip it.


  1.  What size wire should be going down the tower to bond to my tower / 
electrical ground?

I am assuming it should be insulated but is normal THHN jacketing enough to 
have it truly isolate from something jumping over or does it have be in conduit.


Paul

Paul McCall, President
PDMNet, Inc. / Florida Broadband, Inc.
658 Old Dixie Highway
Vero Beach, FL 32962
772-564-6800<tel:(772)%20564-6800>
pa...@pdmnet.net<mailto:pa...@pdmnet.net>
www.pdmnet.com<http://www.pdmnet.com>
www.floridabroadband.com<http://www.floridabroadband.com>