Re: [AFMUG] from Paul - List hosting

[Robert Andrews]

ess

On 06/07/2018 02:20 PM, ch...@wbmfg.com wrote:

He did die.  Couple of years ago.

Wife # 7(?) and an unethical estate attorney carried on the fight (along 
with about a dozen other attorneys).
Aided of course by all the 30 something middle managers that were slid 
into the positions vacated after the massacre 4.5 years ago.


I say she is unethical because she was recently sanctioned by the Utah 
Supreme Court for being unethical.  So not gonna worry about putting 
that out there...  'tis neither slander nor libel.


-Original Message- From: Robert Andrews
Sent: Thursday, June 7, 2018 2:04 PM
To: af@afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] from Paul - List hosting

When the bastard dies

On 06/07/2018 01:01 PM, Seth Mattinen wrote:

On 6/6/18 12:10, ch...@wbmfg.com wrote:
That storm cloud that followed me for 1366 days has been gone for a 
few months now.  I am under a confidentiality agreement and a non 
disparagement agreement so not going to say too much.



Does it have an expiration so you can write a tell all exposé then 
sell the movie rights for big money?

Re: [AFMUG] from Paul - List hosting

[Robert Andrews]

When the bastard dies

On 06/07/2018 01:01 PM, Seth Mattinen wrote:

On 6/6/18 12:10, ch...@wbmfg.com wrote:
That storm cloud that followed me for 1366 days has been gone for a 
few months now.  I am under a confidentiality agreement and a non 
disparagement agreement so not going to say too much.



Does it have an expiration so you can write a tell all exposé then sell 
the movie rights for big money?

Re: [AFMUG] Rohn 25

[Robert Andrews]

I just looked it up on Wikipedia, right in the definition of "right" 
there is a cross reference to OSHA


On 06/06/2018 03:58 PM, Seth Mattinen wrote:

On 6/6/18 9:10 AM, David Sovereen wrote:
I spoke with the OSHA representative handling our matter on Friday. 
 He tells me that Rohn 25s have not been tested by the manufacturer to 
support 5,000 lbs and therefore are not a suitable anchor point for 
securing oneself.  He says all work on Rohn 25s must be done from a 
lift.  I think they are just trying to come up with reasons to fine us.




So now that Rohn has proven this is a totally false statement, have you 
passed that along to OSHA or has Rohn indicated they would be interested 
in talking to OSHA?


I don't think the OSHA guys are going to like being told they are wrong.

~Seth

Re: [AFMUG] from Paul - List hosting

[Robert Andrews]

Unfortunately for both wives and business partners, closest is the first 
suspect...


On 06/06/2018 12:10 PM, ch...@wbmfg.com wrote:
Paul McCall stepped up to help me out 5 years ago when a group of former 
business associates were hell bent on causing me as much grief as 
possible.  I will always be grateful for that help and really the 
support of all of you.
That storm cloud that followed me for 1366 days has been gone for a few 
months now.  I am under a confidentiality agreement and a non 
disparagement agreement so not going to say too much.

The US involvement in WW2 was 1365 days.
So my war was one day longer than the US part of WW2.
The outcome was similar ...
Can’t say too much, but for the past few months this is what I have been 
looking like:

image
*From:* Paul McCall
*Sent:* Wednesday, June 6, 2018 12:56 PM
*To:* af@afmug.com
*Subject:* [AFMUG] from Paul - List hosting

Hi Everyone,

I wanted to jump in and let everyone know that we apologize that we are 
no longer able to stay on top of the Amazon instance associated with the 
list.  Amazon has been great as a platform, it really has worked well, 
all up to the point where the hackers have caused us more grief than we 
are equipped to deal with any more.


For the record, AWS has been 100% (and I mean 100%) flawless in 
performance and consistency.  The problems a couple months ago and now, 
are of a nature of hacks from the outside world, of which we were able 
to mitigate them last time, and to some extent, again this time.  My 
main staff member who managed this, is no longer accessible to me, so 
problem solving on these hacks has been slower and less effective than I 
am comfortable with.   Therefore, it seems beyond the scope, long term, 
of what makes good sense for the list, for us, or for Chuck to have to 
deal with.


Pride is a funny thing, but we actually took pride in being able to 
provide the service, even absorbing the cost beyond what some have said 
is reasonable.  Likewise, we are also proud to see AFMUG continue at its 
new home, under a new “group care” and our helping as much as we can 
with that effort.


Thank you for being patient as we move this all over to a new home.

Paul

Paul McCall, President

PDMNet, Inc. / Florida Broadband, Inc.

658 Old Dixie Highway

Vero Beach, FL 32962

772-564-6800

pa...@pdmnet.net

www.pdmnet.com 

www.floridabroadband.com 

Re: [AFMUG] Rohn 25

[Robert Andrews]

Sorry to hear about your son..  True tragic..

I sure hope OSHA doesn't read this list...

On 06/06/2018 09:49 AM, ch...@wbmfg.com wrote:
First, let me say that I am so sorry that your employee caused so much 
grief for all involved.
I am rabid about seat belt use.  I lost a son, who was wearing a 
seatbelt in a wreck.  My wife was driving.  She was saved by her seat 
belt so I am thankful for that.  I was an EMT for a while and have seen 
people walk away from horrific accidents because they simply buckled up. 
Same car dead people came out of the windshield.
There is only so much you can do.  If the other employee did not have 
the authority to fire the guy, he did everything he could do.  He 
shouldn’t beat himself up because someone else chose to be stupid.
Seconds, astounding about the Rohn anchor point strength.  Have you told 
Rohn.
I got an OSHA citation once.  I went in with the whole company, set 
through a session where they chewed my ass for about an hour.  Then 
another hour of training, then we were on probation for a while with 
periodic visits.  They reduced my $25K find to $2500.
The main take-away from the experience is that you need to show a “ 
compliant attitude”.  Fall all over yourself showing them that you need 
to learn how to do things better and you need their help to learn better 
methods etc.  Kiss their ass, treat them as gods, and in the process you 
may actually learn valuable things.  But that whole showing a “broken 
heart and contrite spirit” thing is key to getting the fine reduced.
Just lay on the floor and say “beat me master, I have sinned, please 
show me a better way” type of thing.

*From:* David Sovereen
*Sent:* Wednesday, June 6, 2018 10:10 AM
*To:* af@afmug.com
*Subject:* [AFMUG] Rohn 25
Hi All,
A little background: We had an employee die late last year.  He climbed 
a Rohn 25 tower at a residential customer location and did not use his 
fall protection gear.  He went through safe climb training at CITCA, his 
fall protection gear was in his truck, and a co-worker with him told him 
to put his harness on, but he exercised poor judgement and climbed 
without it anyway.  He slipped, fell approximately 30 feet, and was 
pronounced dead about an hour later at the hospital.

We received two OSHA Citations today.  I’ve attached them.


I spoke with the OSHA representative handling our matter on Friday. He 
tells me that Rohn 25s have not been tested by the manufacturer to 
support 5,000 lbs and therefore are not a suitable anchor point for 
securing oneself.  He says all work on Rohn 25s must be done from a 
lift.  I think they are just trying to come up with reasons to fine us.
When I went through safe tower climbing, *I* became the competent person 
to identify where suitable anchor points, using the 5,000 lb estimation, 
were.  When my employees go through the training, they become competent 
in determining where suitable anchor points are, do they not?
If an employee is given instruction on the use of fall protection gear, 
told to always use it, and exercises bad judgement and refuses to use 
it, am I responsible?  One of my employees was there and told him to put 
his harness on and he refused.  Consequently, that employee has gone 
through a lot of turmoil putting himself through “what if” scenarios.
Just looking for thoughts on this.  Fight it, and if so what approach?  
Pay it and make it go away?  Something else?

Thanks,
*David Sovereen*
**
Mercury Network Corporation
2719 Ashman Street, Midland, MI 48640
989.837.3790 x151 office | 888.866.4638 toll free | 989.837.3780 fax
Telephone *| *Internet*  | *Security Alarm Monitoring
david.sover...@mercury.net
www.mercury.net 




Hi All,

A little background: We had an employee die late last year. He climbed a 
Rohn 25 tower at a residential customer location and did not use his 
fall protection gear.  He went through safe climb training at CITCA, his 
fall protection gear was in his truck, and a co-worker with him told him 
to put his harness on, but he exercised poor judgement and climbed 
without it anyway.  He slipped, fell approximately 30 feet, and was 
pronounced dead about an hour later at the hospital.


We received two OSHA Citations today.  I’ve attached them.



I spoke with the OSHA representative handling our matter on Friday.  He 
tells me that Rohn 25s have not been tested by the manufacturer to 
support 5,000 lbs and therefore are not a suitable anchor point for 
securing oneself.  He says all work on Rohn 25s must be done from a 
lift.  I think they are just trying to come up with reasons to fine us.


When I went through safe tower climbing, *I* became the competent person 
to identify where suitable anchor points, using the 5,000 lb estimation, 
were.  

Re: [AFMUG] tower assembly in Northern WI

[Robert]

Darn, ( using polite word ) I have friends that would stack again and 
sit by, armed, just looking for the opportunity to "discuss"...   That 
pissed off about private property trespassing out here in NV...


On 5/30/18 12:52 PM, Lewis Bergman wrote:
I think it was Wisconsin in winter where we stacked a 485 foot tower. 
Next day we came to the site to finish cleanup and it had been cut 
down. They were kind enough to leave a sign on the fence as to which 
union local we should contact if we wanted to build it again. Thugs. 
The moral of the story, Hire at least one union guy in a union state.


On Wed, May 30, 2018 at 1:31 PM Eric Kuhnke > wrote:


I would recommend joining the largest Facebook tower industry
specific groups (search groups for tower climbing, tower, etc).
There's about four of them that are really active, and between the
groups probably 30,000 members in total. Put out a message that
you're looking for a contractor and see what you get back.


On Fri, May 25, 2018 at 7:06 AM, Brandon Yuchasz
mailto:li...@gogebicrange.net>> wrote:

I am looking for someone to stack two Rohn 65 towers in
Northern WI. Towers are 140’ and the site will be completely
prepped ahead of time. Concrete work will all be done and the
towers will be on site waiting. We have talked to one company
from Lower WI so far but they are doing a lot of large
cellular constructions this summer and priced these two in a
similar range. I took the quotes as they didn’t want to be
doing these small of jobs.

If anyone knows of someone of if anyone on the list is
interested in this they can hit me off list for more details.
If you are out of the area and willing to travel up give me a
shout as well might be able to make it work.

Thanks,

Brandon

Re: [AFMUG] Multiple cable wall pass-through

[Robert]

I am assuming here you meant tannerite

On 5/30/18 10:59 AM, Dave wrote:
I heard Tenamite works well in these situations LOL kidding dont use 
that stuff



On 05/25/2018 10:16 PM, Steve Jones wrote:
you want six cables in one hole or 6 holes? 1/2 inch glands is what i 
use on single cables, available at any hardware store, they have like 
3/4" thread, so the lock nut would affix. Theyre cheaper in bulk than 
a hardware store, like 6 for 30 bucks at hardware store or 50 for 100 
bucks in bulk online


On Fri, May 25, 2018 at 3:48 PM, Bill Prince > wrote:


A 1" conduit bulkhead connector will do the trick. Attach a short
length of conduit on the outside with a sweep.

If the nipple on the bulkhead connector is not long enough, you
can get longer nipples at any hardware store (1" though 3 or 4
inches).

bp


On 5/25/2018 1:43 PM, Mike Davis wrote:


Any suggestions on where to get a cable wall pass-through for a
1/2" steel plate? I am out of ideas of where to try. I need to
get 6 cat cables from the inside of a water tower to the outside
at the top of the tower.

-- 
*Mike Davis*

General Manager
Office: 260-349-1799
Email: _mikeda...@allianceinternet.net
_

*Alliance Internet Communications* | www.allianceinternet.net

PO Box 1100 | 1220 South Wayne Street | Angola, IN | 46703


| 260-349-1799







--

Re: [AFMUG] Looking for a new Truck/field Laptop

[Robert]

I just ordered an acer1 as it says it has a gigE port...

On 5/21/18 7:12 AM, Jeremy wrote:
I found some used toughbooks for $100 and bought two of them after he 
broke his last one.  He is still using the first one and we have one 
as a backup.


On Mon, May 21, 2018 at 8:06 AM, Nate Burke > wrote:


I've thought about the air-router approach, but probably 90% of my
mikrotik work is with MAC-Winbox, setting up new routers.

I just found the Acer Travelmate Spin B1.  $330.  Might pick one
of those up and see how it works.

On 5/21/2018 8:53 AM, Steve Jones wrote:

I paid 1500 for my Toshiba tecra (not toughbook) like 6 or 7
years ago, it's been through he'll in the field, roofs, grain
elevators, rain, drops, left running in the bag and getting hot.
It's on its 3rd battery, fourth keyboard, but runs strong and
never fails, even has serial port. Price could have been less but
I wanted the biggest processor because at the time I was running
multiple VMs.

Lenovo are decent, the antiglare  is still visiblish in the sun.
The keys fall off and batteries don't last, Ether net is
questionable, but God only knows what the techs stuck into it or
settings they jacked up.

Other than the need for wireshark occasionally, a cheap air
router to connect to the device with a ton of ip aliases has
allowed me to do 99 percent from my phone now. Onedrive syncs our
base config to dump in, we can test, allocate and finalize a
customers installation directly from the top of their tower.

On Mon, May 21, 2018, 8:38 AM Nate Burke > wrote:

The Netbook I've been using for a the last couple years bit
the dust on
an install last week.  Acer Aspire E11.  It was working fine
one minute,
then the Ethernet adapter was not detected by windows
anymore.  Of
course now-a-days nothing comes with a built in Ethernet
adapter, I'd
really hate having to remember to carry an Ethernet dongle
everywhere.
Looking for a small form factor ~11" so I can throw it in a
canvas bag
for a hike out to a tower site.  SSD and several-hour battery
life are
very nice as well.

It doesn't need any mighty CPU or Video, the only thing that
it does is
program Radios/Mikrotiks, and RDP into another machine.

The only new machines I've found so far that fits this bill
are the
Lenovo Thinkpad line.  It looks like a current gen 11"
Thinkpad is
~$700.  More than the $170 I paid for the Acer 5 years ago. 
I also
don't like that all the connections are on the sides of
machines now,
instead of the back.  When it's sitting on the truck console
with things
connected, that makes it a lot wider.  The Thinkpads also
specify that
they have an 'Anti-glare' Screen.  Would that make it easier
or harder
to see outside?

Is there a brand or Type that I missed?  $700 for a field
laptop is a
little more than I'd like to spend for something that has to
survive
field work.  Although the $170 unit has worked just fine in
these
conditions for several years.

Re: [AFMUG] OT f**king microsoft

[Robert]

It says right in the release notes:


This is a Microsoft Job Security update to turn off competing 
applications that are Security Threats to Microsoft Monopoly Vision...


On 5/18/18 6:39 PM, Jaime Solorza wrote:
Microsoft hears that you don't approve of the things Microsoft is 
doing.
Too easynote to self: back up drivers and important applications 
before upgrading.


Jaime Solorza

On Fri, May 18, 2018, 7:34 PM Chuck McCown > wrote:


Latest windows update turns off Google Drive Sync! Arrgh!

Re: [AFMUG] Attaching pole to Chimney

[Robert Andrews]

Precious...

On 05/16/2018 08:59 AM, ch...@wbmfg.com wrote:

Sometimes I live under a bridge...
*From:* Adam Moffett
*Sent:* Wednesday, May 16, 2018 9:56 AM
*To:* af@afmug.com
*Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Attaching pole to Chimney
Well maybe he knew something about spray foam that I didn't :P
-- Original Message --
From: "Bill Prince" 
To: af@afmug.com
Sent: 5/16/2018 11:13:45 AM
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Attaching pole to Chimney


Chucks tongue was so far into his cheek with that statement, I could 
see it from California.


;-)

bp


On 5/16/2018 7:04 AM, Adam Moffett wrote:

I'm unclear on whether that's a serious suggestion.
-- Original Message --
From: "Jason McKemie" 
To: mailto:af@afmug.com 
Sent: 5/15/2018 10:52:42 PM
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Attaching pole to Chimney
I'll give that a whirl, thanks everyone. Backup plan will be Chuck's 
PVC/spray foam idea.


On Tuesday, May 15, 2018, TJ Trout  wrote:

Yes, we use unistrut for various tower mounts (home made) they
defiantly can hold a mast with plenty of strength
On Tue, May 15, 2018 at 5:04 PM,  wrote:

Stick a piece of PVC down the chimney and use spray foam to
hold it in place.
*From:* Jason McKemie
*Sent:* Tuesday, May 15, 2018 5:28 PM
*To:* af@afmug.com
*Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Attaching pole to Chimney
Do the unistrut conduit clamps hold the conduit tightly
enough to mount it vertically? I thought they were intended
for horizontal runs.

On Tuesday, May 15, 2018, Sam Lambie 
wrote:

Unistrut, clamps and EMT. Done
On Tue, May 15, 2018 at 2:46 PM, Jason McKemie
 wrote:

It's just a wood box covered in vinyl.
On Tue, May 15, 2018 at 3:08 PM, Josh Luthman
 wrote:

The chimney has vinyl?  I assume it's brick
behind it?
If you have to get it from the local hardware
store, go there and see what all can work.  I'd
probably look for the best tool rather than
limit myself to that one store, though.

Josh Luthman
Office: 937-552-2340
Direct: 937-552-2343
1100 Wayne St


Suite 1337


Troy, OH 45373



On Tue, May 15, 2018 at 3:07 PM, Jason McKemie
 wrote:

Anyone have any advice as to what hardware I
can use to attach a 6' section of 1.5" emt
to a chimney? It's the vinyl siding covered
type. I was thinking of just drilling it and
running lags straight through, but a bracket
of some type, possibly utilizing pipe
clamps, would be preferred. I'll need to
source it from a local hardware store. 





-- 
-- 
*Sam Lambie*

Taosnet Wireless Tech.
575-758-7598 Office
www.Taosnet.com 

Re: [AFMUG] OT: One space versus two spaces (again)

[Robert Andrews]

Had to be Apple, they always think they are right no matter who said 
what before them...


On 05/08/2018 04:35 PM, Chuck McCown wrote:
I believe that is right, but who decided to drop the second space when 
it was a word processor?  Doesn't make sense to me.


Somebody post Wang I suppose.  Wang was my first exposure to word 
processing.


Then AppleWriter.

Then P-Edit which became WordPerfect.

Then Word.

-Original Message- From: Seth Mattinen
Sent: Tuesday, May 08, 2018 5:22 PM
To: af@afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT: One space versus two spaces (again)

On 5/8/18 16:15, John Osmon wrote:

Stop worrying about typeface/font.  Just remember:
   "single space" separates words
   "double space" indicates the end of a sentence



For me it's quite literally a tell for how old someone is: before or
after typewriters. When we were taught typing in middle school it was
using computers and it was single space. I was *told* that on
typewriters it was two spaces.

Re: [AFMUG] OT: One space versus two spaces (again)

[Robert]

Trivial stuff, the real meat is tabs versus spaces while programming...

On 5/6/18 7:21 PM, Chuck McCown wrote:
Double spacers of the world unite.  Everybody else can get the fu*k off 
our lawn.


-Original Message- From: ja...@remotelylocated.com
Sent: Sunday, May 06, 2018 8:19 PM
To: af@afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT: One space versus two spaces (again)

You can tell someone's age by one or two spaces.  For me that is what I 
was taught and bugs the hell out of me when I see single space.


Sent from my iPhone


On May 6, 2018, at 5:49 PM, Bill Prince  wrote:


I remember there being a rather exuberant discussion a couple years 
ago about the advantages/disadvantages and goodness/badness of putting 
a single space after a sentence versus putting two spaces. The debate 
rages on, but this one study suggests that putting two spaces makes 
sentences easier to read.


https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/speaking-of-science/wp/2018/05/04/one-space-between-each-sentence-they-said-science-just-proved-them-wrong-2/?noredirect=on_term=.b61d35728d29 





--

bp

Re: [AFMUG] WiFi Analyzers...

[Robert Andrews]

a...  no wonder now   collecting _everything_...

On 05/02/2018 10:12 AM, Bill Prince wrote:
It's apparently a requirement by the Google. Anything with Android 6+. 
For whatever reason it was not enforced until the latest update.


bp
<part15sbs{at}gmail{dot}com>

On 5/2/2018 10:06 AM, Robert Andrews wrote:

Makes you wonder what they are collecting?

On 05/02/2018 09:55 AM, Bill Prince wrote:
I just found out that __IF__ you enable GPS location, this one will 
work. Turn off the GPS and the spectrum map goes blank. I normally do 
not have the GPS turned on. This is new behavior.



bp
<part15sbs{at}gmail{dot}com>

On 5/2/2018 8:46 AM, Mike Hammett wrote:

I use this one. It's free.

https://play.google.com/store/apps/details?id=com.farproc.wifi.analyzer=en_US 





-
Mike Hammett
Intelligent Computing Solutions <http://www.ics-il.com/>
<https://www.facebook.com/ICSIL><https://plus.google.com/+IntelligentComputingSolutionsDeKalb><https://www.linkedin.com/company/intelligent-computing-solutions><https://twitter.com/ICSIL> 


Midwest Internet Exchange <http://www.midwest-ix.com/>
<https://www.facebook.com/mdwestix><https://www.linkedin.com/company/midwest-internet-exchange><https://twitter.com/mdwestix> 


The Brothers WISP <http://www.thebrotherswisp.com/>
<https://www.facebook.com/thebrotherswisp>


<https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCXSdfxQv7SpoRQYNyLwntZg>
 


*From: *"Bill Prince" <part15...@gmail.com>
*To: *"Motorola III" <af@afmug.com>
*Sent: *Wednesday, May 2, 2018 10:27:57 AM
*Subject: *[AFMUG] WiFi Analyzers...

The WiFi Analyzer I have been using for at least the last 5 years
stopped working yesterday. First, it asked for location permission,
which I denied (WHY does it need to know my location?). Then it refused
to work. So I granted permission, and now it doesn't work at all.

If you go on the Play Store, there are at least 30 "paid" versions of
apps called "WiFi Analyzer" or "Analyser" or about 6 variations on that
theme.

I'm happy to pay for one, but WHICH one? Recommendations? And don't 
tell
me you're running "WiFi Analyzer" because they all call themselves 
that.

I need to know which developer and/or specific app information.


--

bp
<part15sbs{at}gmail{dot}com>

Re: [AFMUG] Sealed AGM Batteries and Water

[Robert Andrews]

I joined Pirate Anon.   Part of the 7 steps was giving up the cannons.. 
 That was the hardest part.   Almost as hard as apologizing to idiots..


On 05/02/2018 09:55 AM, Mathew Howard wrote:

Just because they're idiots, doesn't mean you can sink their boats...


okay, maybe it does.


On Wed, May 2, 2018 at 10:35 AM, Robert <i...@avantwireless.com 
<mailto:i...@avantwireless.com>> wrote:


Argg...

Used to live in the sac delta...   Lots of idiots on the weekends..
Part of why "used to"...


On 5/2/18 8:29 AM, Adam Moffett wrote:

You sink a lot of boats?  Are you a pirate perhaps?


-- Original Message --
From: "Robert" <i...@avantwireless.com
<mailto:i...@avantwireless.com>>
To: af@afmug.com <mailto:af@afmug.com>
Sent: 5/2/2018 11:25:06 AM
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Sealed AGM Batteries and Water

pure water doesn't conduct electricity...  I have watched
boats sinking with the lights on all the way till the water
turbidity obscured the lights 30-40 feet down...

On 5/2/18 8:20 AM, Adam Moffett wrote:

Wouldn't there be a dead short across the wet terminals?
I suppose all the heat would go into the water in
that case.

-- Original Message --
From: ch...@wbmfg.com <mailto:ch...@wbmfg.com>
To: "Animal Farm" <af@afmug.com <mailto:af@afmug.com>>
Sent: 5/2/2018 10:39:44 AM
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Sealed AGM Batteries and Water

Their vent valves are one way check valves so it is
probably just fine.
-Original Message- From: Nate Burke Sent:
Wednesday, May 2, 2018 6:58 AM To: Animal Farm
Subject: [AFMUG] Sealed AGM Batteries and Water
I had an equipment box that got completely submerged
due to a water main break.  All the equipment like
routers and UPS are toast, but would the 100+ AH AGM
Batteries still be good?  I haven't had a chance to
put a voltmeter or anything on them yet, but could
they be 'trusted' since they were fully submerged
for several hours?

Nate

Re: [AFMUG] WiFi Analyzers...

[Robert Andrews]

Makes you wonder what they are collecting?

On 05/02/2018 09:55 AM, Bill Prince wrote:
I just found out that __IF__ you enable GPS location, this one will 
work. Turn off the GPS and the spectrum map goes blank. I normally do 
not have the GPS turned on. This is new behavior.



bp


On 5/2/2018 8:46 AM, Mike Hammett wrote:

I use this one. It's free.

https://play.google.com/store/apps/details?id=com.farproc.wifi.analyzer=en_US



-
Mike Hammett
Intelligent Computing Solutions 

Midwest Internet Exchange 

The Brothers WISP 





*From: *"Bill Prince" 
*To: *"Motorola III" 
*Sent: *Wednesday, May 2, 2018 10:27:57 AM
*Subject: *[AFMUG] WiFi Analyzers...

The WiFi Analyzer I have been using for at least the last 5 years
stopped working yesterday. First, it asked for location permission,
which I denied (WHY does it need to know my location?). Then it refused
to work. So I granted permission, and now it doesn't work at all.

If you go on the Play Store, there are at least 30 "paid" versions of
apps called "WiFi Analyzer" or "Analyser" or about 6 variations on that
theme.

I'm happy to pay for one, but WHICH one? Recommendations? And don't tell
me you're running "WiFi Analyzer" because they all call themselves that.
I need to know which developer and/or specific app information.


--

bp

Re: [AFMUG] WiFi Analyzers...

[Robert]

He mentioned iphone, does wifi analyzer work on apple now?

On 5/2/18 8:48 AM, Jason McKemie wrote:

I've been using the same one.

On Wednesday, May 2, 2018, Mike Hammett > wrote:


I use this one. It's free.


https://play.google.com/store/apps/details?id=com.farproc.wifi.analyzer=en_US





-
Mike Hammett
Intelligent Computing Solutions 


Midwest Internet Exchange 


The Brothers WISP 





*From: *"Bill Prince" >
*To: *"Motorola III" >
*Sent: *Wednesday, May 2, 2018 10:27:57 AM
*Subject: *[AFMUG] WiFi Analyzers...

The WiFi Analyzer I have been using for at least the last 5 years
stopped working yesterday. First, it asked for location permission,
which I denied (WHY does it need to know my location?). Then it refused
to work. So I granted permission, and now it doesn't work at all.

If you go on the Play Store, there are at least 30 "paid" versions of
apps called "WiFi Analyzer" or "Analyser" or about 6 variations on that
theme.

I'm happy to pay for one, but WHICH one? Recommendations? And don't
tell
me you're running "WiFi Analyzer" because they all call themselves
that.
I need to know which developer and/or specific app information.


-- 


bp

Re: [AFMUG] Sealed AGM Batteries and Water

[Robert]

https://www.amazon.com/OTC-3181-Heavy-Duty-Battery-Tester/dp/B000O3U2UQ/ref=sr_1_7?ie=UTF8=1525276929=8-7=battery+load+tester

On 5/2/18 8:43 AM, David Coudron wrote:

It's funny that you should mention the boats.   That is exactly what I was 
thinking about.   We have had a couple of instances where the battery of a boat 
was submerged for whatever reason.   Not only was the battery fine long term, 
but in some cases there were electrical devices that were still functioning.

My very anecdotal and non-scientific answer is that if the battery still shows 
a good charge when you check it out, it will probably be fine long term.

David Coudron
david.coud...@advantenon.com  |  Mobile: 612-991-7474
  
Advantenon, Inc.

i...@advantenon.com  |  3500 Vicksburg Lane N, Suite 315, Plymouth, MN 55447  | 
 www.advantenon.com  |  Phone: 800-704-4720  |  Local: 612-454-1545



-Original Message-
From: Af <af-boun...@afmug.com> On Behalf Of Adam Moffett
Sent: Wednesday, May 2, 2018 10:29 AM
To: af@afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Sealed AGM Batteries and Water

You sink a lot of boats?  Are you a pirate perhaps?


-- Original Message --
From: "Robert" <i...@avantwireless.com>
To: af@afmug.com
Sent: 5/2/2018 11:25:06 AM
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Sealed AGM Batteries and Water


pure water doesn't conduct electricity...  I have watched boats sinking
with the lights on all the way till the water turbidity obscured the
lights 30-40 feet down...

On 5/2/18 8:20 AM, Adam Moffett wrote:

Wouldn't there be a dead short across the wet terminals?
I suppose all the heat would go into the water in that case.

-- Original Message --
From: ch...@wbmfg.com
To: "Animal Farm" <af@afmug.com>
Sent: 5/2/2018 10:39:44 AM
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Sealed AGM Batteries and Water


Their vent valves are one way check valves so it is probably just
fine.
-Original Message- From: Nate Burke Sent: Wednesday, May 2,
2018 6:58 AM To: Animal Farm Subject: [AFMUG] Sealed AGM Batteries
and Water I had an equipment box that got completely submerged due to
a water main break.  All the equipment like routers and UPS are
toast, but would the 100+ AH AGM Batteries still be good?  I haven't
had a chance to put a voltmeter or anything on them yet, but could
they be 'trusted' since they were fully submerged for several hours?

Nate

Re: [AFMUG] Sealed AGM Batteries and Water

[Robert]

Argg...

Used to live in the sac delta...   Lots of idiots on the weekends.. 
Part of why "used to"...


On 5/2/18 8:29 AM, Adam Moffett wrote:

You sink a lot of boats?  Are you a pirate perhaps?


-- Original Message --
From: "Robert" <i...@avantwireless.com>
To: af@afmug.com
Sent: 5/2/2018 11:25:06 AM
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Sealed AGM Batteries and Water

pure water doesn't conduct electricity...  I have watched boats 
sinking with the lights on all the way till the water turbidity 
obscured the lights 30-40 feet down...


On 5/2/18 8:20 AM, Adam Moffett wrote:

Wouldn't there be a dead short across the wet terminals?
I suppose all the heat would go into the water in that case.

-- Original Message --
From: ch...@wbmfg.com
To: "Animal Farm" <af@afmug.com>
Sent: 5/2/2018 10:39:44 AM
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Sealed AGM Batteries and Water


Their vent valves are one way check valves so it is probably just fine.
-Original Message- From: Nate Burke Sent: Wednesday, May 2, 
2018 6:58 AM To: Animal Farm Subject: [AFMUG] Sealed AGM Batteries 
and Water
I had an equipment box that got completely submerged due to a water 
main break.  All the equipment like routers and UPS are toast, but 
would the 100+ AH AGM Batteries still be good?  I haven't had a 
chance to put a voltmeter or anything on them yet, but could they be 
'trusted' since they were fully submerged for several hours?


Nate

Re: [AFMUG] Sealed AGM Batteries and Water

[Robert]

pure water doesn't conduct electricity...  I have watched boats sinking 
with the lights on all the way till the water turbidity obscured the 
lights 30-40 feet down...


On 5/2/18 8:20 AM, Adam Moffett wrote:

Wouldn't there be a dead short across the wet terminals?
I suppose all the heat would go into the water in that case.

-- Original Message --
From: ch...@wbmfg.com
To: "Animal Farm" 
Sent: 5/2/2018 10:39:44 AM
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Sealed AGM Batteries and Water


Their vent valves are one way check valves so it is probably just fine.
-Original Message- From: Nate Burke Sent: Wednesday, May 2, 
2018 6:58 AM To: Animal Farm Subject: [AFMUG] Sealed AGM Batteries and 
Water
I had an equipment box that got completely submerged due to a water 
main break.  All the equipment like routers and UPS are toast, but 
would the 100+ AH AGM Batteries still be good?  I haven't had a chance 
to put a voltmeter or anything on them yet, but could they be 
'trusted' since they were fully submerged for several hours?


Nate

Re: [AFMUG] US20120176608A1 - System and method for antenna alignment - Google Patents

[Robert]

That's what I get for scanning, I first thought it was google that was 
applying for that patent..


On 5/2/18 5:00 AM, Lewis Bergman wrote:

Yea, I hear that guy is real smart.

On Tue, May 1, 2018 at 9:40 PM Jaime Solorza > wrote:


I was researching something else and this showed, James Charles McCown


https://patents.google.com/patent/US20120176608A1/en
Jaime Solorza

Re: [AFMUG] drones

[Robert Andrews]

You are very correct, no waver needed, my bad, a lack of disapproval 
constitutes approval after talking to the tower, 400 foot limit is in 
effect.


On 04/30/2018 03:35 PM, Matt Hoppes wrote:

Hobbyists do not get waivers. Commercial gets waivers.

Hobbyists call the Tower.
Commercial just flies - with the waiver.

Waivers are going away in favor of the instant authorization system LAANC.

Clearly we need a session on drones at wispapalooza.


On Apr 30, 2018, at 18:16, Robert Andrews <i...@avantwireless.com> wrote:

5 miles around an airport they certainly are.   And completely prohibited 
without a waver..


On 04/30/2018 08:19 AM, Matt Hoppes wrote:
Actually hobbyists are not limited to how high they can fly.

On Apr 30, 2018, at 11:11, Forrest Christian (List Account) <li...@packetflux.com 
<mailto:li...@packetflux.com>> wrote:
 From my understanding so far, while the spirit of what you're saying is true, 
it is more complicated than that.

If you're flying as a hobbyist within 5 miles of any airport, helipad, etc. 
(towered or not)  you need a FAA waiver.  In addition, you're limited to 400ft, 
can't fly over certain areas, etc.   One really should read up on and follow 
the rules, as they're not just there to irritate drone users.

If you have a commercial license then where you can fly is based on the actual 
airspace classification instead of the five mile limit.  Much of the knowledge 
needed for the test revolves around understanding how to know where it is safe 
and legal to fly based on charts and observation.


On Mon, Apr 30, 2018, 8:37 AM Robert <i...@avantwireless.com 
<mailto:i...@avantwireless.com>> wrote:

Also be aware that if you are within five miles of a towered
airport you
need FAA wavers for flight in that area.   I talked to a
controller the
other day and he was not kidding in any way, dead serious about
prosecuting violators to the same level as they go after laser
flashers.
   Seems the FAA is on edge about the first aircraft to be brought
down
by a drone.   I thought it was a small probability but the FAA
seems to
think otherwise..

On 4/30/18 7:17 AM, Forrest Christian (List Account) wrote:
> For those of you considering using a Drone for commercial
purposes, be
> aware you probably need a commercial drone license.  Like many
other
> things, you probably will never get caught if the flight is for
internal
> use, but the requirement still exists.
>
> I'm currently slowly working on getting mine for various
reasons.  Have
> been enjoying learning a bit more about our aeronautics system
in the
> USA.  So far it doesn't seem like it's that difficult.
>
> On Mon, Apr 30, 2018, 7:13 AM Dave <dmilho...@wletc.com
<mailto:dmilho...@wletc.com>
> <mailto:dmilho...@wletc.com <mailto:dmilho...@wletc.com>>> wrote:
>
> We are in the market for one now.
>
> I was looking at the welds and mounting of that ring to hold all
> that gear. I like overkill for structural integrity. I would
have more
> larger feet bolted to the tank on all angles.
> Just thinking about my poor tower guys cursing me after they
> discover what they are hooked on to.
>
>
>
> On 04/30/2018 12:14 AM, Steve Jones wrote:
>> my contractor shot some drone pics on a site. other than
the uber
>> sloppy cable this doesnt look as terrible as it is. will
rebuild
>> it, but the drone footage and pics is crazy useful, the
external
>> perspective really helps getting an overall. i highly recommend
>> getting drone shots
>
> --
>

Re: [AFMUG] drones

[Robert Andrews]

5 miles around an airport they certainly are.   And completely 
prohibited without a waver..


On 04/30/2018 08:19 AM, Matt Hoppes wrote:

Actually hobbyists are not limited to how high they can fly.

On Apr 30, 2018, at 11:11, Forrest Christian (List Account) 
<li...@packetflux.com <mailto:li...@packetflux.com>> wrote:


From my understanding so far, while the spirit of what you're saying 
is true, it is more complicated than that.


If you're flying as a hobbyist within 5 miles of any airport, helipad, 
etc. (towered or not)  you need a FAA waiver.  In addition, you're 
limited to 400ft, can't fly over certain areas, etc.   One really 
should read up on and follow the rules, as they're not just there to 
irritate drone users.


If you have a commercial license then where you can fly is based on 
the actual airspace classification instead of the five mile limit.  
Much of the knowledge needed for the test revolves around 
understanding how to know where it is safe and legal to fly based on 
charts and observation.



On Mon, Apr 30, 2018, 8:37 AM Robert <i...@avantwireless.com 
<mailto:i...@avantwireless.com>> wrote:


Also be aware that if you are within five miles of a towered
airport you
need FAA wavers for flight in that area.   I talked to a
controller the
other day and he was not kidding in any way, dead serious about
prosecuting violators to the same level as they go after laser
flashers.
   Seems the FAA is on edge about the first aircraft to be brought
down
by a drone.   I thought it was a small probability but the FAA
seems to
think otherwise..

On 4/30/18 7:17 AM, Forrest Christian (List Account) wrote:
> For those of you considering using a Drone for commercial
purposes, be
> aware you probably need a commercial drone license.  Like many
other
> things, you probably will never get caught if the flight is for
internal
> use, but the requirement still exists.
>
> I'm currently slowly working on getting mine for various
reasons.  Have
> been enjoying learning a bit more about our aeronautics system
in the
> USA.  So far it doesn't seem like it's that difficult.
>
> On Mon, Apr 30, 2018, 7:13 AM Dave <dmilho...@wletc.com
<mailto:dmilho...@wletc.com>
> <mailto:dmilho...@wletc.com <mailto:dmilho...@wletc.com>>> wrote:
>
> We are in the market for one now.
>
> I was looking at the welds and mounting of that ring to hold all
> that gear. I like overkill for structural integrity. I would
have more
> larger feet bolted to the tank on all angles.
> Just thinking about my poor tower guys cursing me after they
> discover what they are hooked on to.
>
>
>
> On 04/30/2018 12:14 AM, Steve Jones wrote:
>> my contractor shot some drone pics on a site. other than
the uber
>> sloppy cable this doesnt look as terrible as it is. will
rebuild
>> it, but the drone footage and pics is crazy useful, the
external
>> perspective really helps getting an overall. i highly recommend
>> getting drone shots
>
> --
>

Re: [AFMUG] drones

[Robert]

Also be aware that if you are within five miles of a towered airport you 
need FAA wavers for flight in that area.   I talked to a controller the 
other day and he was not kidding in any way, dead serious about 
prosecuting violators to the same level as they go after laser flashers. 
  Seems the FAA is on edge about the first aircraft to be brought down 
by a drone.   I thought it was a small probability but the FAA seems to 
think otherwise..


On 4/30/18 7:17 AM, Forrest Christian (List Account) wrote:
For those of you considering using a Drone for commercial purposes, be 
aware you probably need a commercial drone license.  Like many other 
things, you probably will never get caught if the flight is for internal 
use, but the requirement still exists.


I'm currently slowly working on getting mine for various reasons.  Have 
been enjoying learning a bit more about our aeronautics system in the 
USA.  So far it doesn't seem like it's that difficult.


On Mon, Apr 30, 2018, 7:13 AM Dave > wrote:


We are in the market for one now.

I was looking at the welds and mounting of that ring to hold all
that gear. I like overkill for structural integrity. I would have more
larger feet bolted to the tank on all angles.
Just thinking about my poor tower guys cursing me after they
discover what they are hooked on to.



On 04/30/2018 12:14 AM, Steve Jones wrote:

my contractor shot some drone pics on a site. other than the uber
sloppy cable this doesnt look as terrible as it is. will rebuild
it, but the drone footage and pics is crazy useful, the external
perspective really helps getting an overall. i highly recommend
getting drone shots


-- 

Re: [AFMUG] ping...

[Robert Andrews]

"voluntary cooperation"

On 04/27/2018 10:22 AM, Christopher Tyler wrote:

This is a test of the Emergency Broadcast System. The broadcasters of your area 
in voluntary cooperation with the FCC...

Re: [AFMUG] SunSight MW15

[Robert]

I would call that long distance shooting  :)

On 4/25/18 8:05 AM, Josh Reynolds wrote:

Eh...

There are 6400mils in a circle, compared to 360 degrees.

Much more accurate.

Signed, a former artillery/mortar/CAS guy

On Wed, Apr 25, 2018, 9:55 AM Robert <i...@avantwireless.com 
<mailto:i...@avantwireless.com>> wrote:


Long distance shooting talk...

On 4/25/18 7:05 AM, castarritt wrote:
 > 5 milliradian would be ~0.3°
 >
 > On Tue, Apr 24, 2018 at 6:24 PM, <ch...@wbmfg.com
<mailto:ch...@wbmfg.com>
 > <mailto:ch...@wbmfg.com <mailto:ch...@wbmfg.com>>> wrote:
 >
 >     Not huge if you consider most of the main lobes are that wide or
 >     wider, so just as long as you can get it close enough to
tweak with
 >     signal levels, that is all you need.
 >     If you are thinking of a set it and forget it, a tenth of a
degree
 >     would be needed for that.  Depending on frequency and gain of
course.
 >     5 mil meaning?
 >     *From:* Josh Reynolds
 >     *Sent:* Tuesday, April 24, 2018 5:11 PM
 >     *To:* af@afmug.com <mailto:af@afmug.com>
 >     *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] SunSight MW15
 >     Get it down to 5mil accuracy and then we are talking! :) 1deg
is huge!
 >     On Tue, Apr 24, 2018, 12:53 PM <ch...@wbmfg.com
<mailto:ch...@wbmfg.com>> wrote:
 >
 >         $15K
 >         One of my sons worked on doing something similar all last
 >         summer. He ran out of time before we finished it.  We got
down
 >         to about 1 degree azimuth accuracy.  Maybe we will finish it
 >         someday.
 >         *From:* Jaime Solorza
 >         *Sent:* Tuesday, April 24, 2018 11:50 AM
 >         *To:* Animal Farm
 >         *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] SunSight MW15
 >         I just video last week..how much are they?
 >
 >         Jaime Solorza
 >         On Tue, Apr 24, 2018, 11:45 AM Joshua Heide
 >         <josh.veloci...@gmail.com
<mailto:josh.veloci...@gmail.com>> wrote:
 >
 >             Wanted to see if anyone had any experience using these
 >             alignment tools? If so would you recommend this
product over
 >             others brands out there? besides the buying new directly
 >             from the manufacturer is there another good place to
buy one
 >             or find a used one?
 >
 >             Thanks for the help!
 >
 >             Josh
 >
 >

Re: [AFMUG] SunSight MW15

[Robert]

Long distance shooting talk...

On 4/25/18 7:05 AM, castarritt wrote:

5 milliradian would be ~0.3°

On Tue, Apr 24, 2018 at 6:24 PM, > wrote:


Not huge if you consider most of the main lobes are that wide or
wider, so just as long as you can get it close enough to tweak with
signal levels, that is all you need.
If you are thinking of a set it and forget it, a tenth of a degree
would be needed for that.  Depending on frequency and gain of course.
5 mil meaning?
*From:* Josh Reynolds
*Sent:* Tuesday, April 24, 2018 5:11 PM
*To:* af@afmug.com
*Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] SunSight MW15
Get it down to 5mil accuracy and then we are talking! :) 1deg is huge!
On Tue, Apr 24, 2018, 12:53 PM  wrote:

$15K
One of my sons worked on doing something similar all last
summer. He ran out of time before we finished it.  We got down
to about 1 degree azimuth accuracy.  Maybe we will finish it
someday.
*From:* Jaime Solorza
*Sent:* Tuesday, April 24, 2018 11:50 AM
*To:* Animal Farm
*Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] SunSight MW15
I just video last week..how much are they?

Jaime Solorza
On Tue, Apr 24, 2018, 11:45 AM Joshua Heide
 wrote:

Wanted to see if anyone had any experience using these
alignment tools? If so would you recommend this product over
others brands out there? besides the buying new directly
from the manufacturer is there another good place to buy one
or find a used one?

Thanks for the help!

Josh

Re: [AFMUG] 2000’ tower collapsed here today

[Robert]

Three guys at 200 feet survived..  Either bad reporting or a miracle... 
or on another device...


On 4/19/18 1:31 PM, ch...@wbmfg.com wrote:
Just looking at the amount of junk on the ground, just doesn’t seem like 
enough stuff there for 2000’.
I guess if the majority of it pancaked into that tangled mass, could 
be.  Still, 100 20’ sections is a bunch of stuff.

*From:* Craig House
*Sent:* Thursday, April 19, 2018 2:21 PM
*To:* af@afmug.com
*Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] 2000’ tower collapsed here today
Nope. I’ve been on the tower next to it many times.  It’s got an 
elevator. 2000’


Sent from my iPhone

On Apr 19, 2018, at 16:16,   wrote:


Does not look like it was 2000 feet tall.  The antenna is mostly intact.
I wonder if they meant 200’ tall.
*From:* Craig House
*Sent:* Thursday, April 19, 2018 2:12 PM
*To:* af@afmug.com
*Subject:* [AFMUG] 2000’ tower collapsed here today
http://www.ky3.com/content/news/DRONE-VIDEO-TV-Tower-collapses-in-Fordland-Mo-field-480285143.html

Sent from my iPhone

Re: [AFMUG] OT: very OT. Scumbag parents

[Robert Andrews]

I didn't think so until I read a blog from a heavy user after 
legalization.   This was a lifelong user that went "over the top" when 
he became a) rich   b) legal.Basically after a 3 month bender it 
took 6 months to clear his system from testing positive and his mind to 
be clear enough to get released from over watch.   That is one end of 
the scale but it shows to me that there is a accumulation dosage and 
that after taking it you are somewhere on the scale all the way to a 
touch and clear _the next day_...   I have an over-aggressive spleen. 
It's tough for me to get drunk much less stay drunk but it seems THC 
gets all the way past the blood into the tissues.   But I would rather 
deal with a pothead any day than a drunk...  I just personally think 
alcohol for the common user falls off faster.  Oh and edibles...  two 
hours after consumption to effect...  That's a tough one to do anything 
but actual sobriety test...


On 04/18/2018 11:00 AM, Bill Prince wrote:
I know it "sticks around", but I'm not so sure the side effects are 
still there (I am not an authority, but this is what I've read). That 
has been and still is the challenge. I've seen things about the 
development of a test to determine if someone is still under the 
influence, but to date the best way to tell is to perform a full 
sobriety test.



bp
<part15sbs{at}gmail{dot}com>

On 4/18/2018 10:48 AM, Robert Andrews wrote:
As long as people are signed up to "Drive a car and test positive, Go 
directly to Jail..."   I don't want to be in this category of person, 
but THC sticks around so long with so much effect that it's the major 
difference between Pot and Alcohol...   Until we have self driving 
cars driving down the freeway high is like shooting drunk...  Sure you 
can do it, but it's nothing close to responsible... 

Re: [AFMUG] OT: very OT. Scumbag parents

[Robert Andrews]

As long as people are signed up to "Drive a car and test positive, Go 
directly to Jail..."   I don't want to be in this category of person, 
but THC sticks around so long with so much effect that it's the major 
difference between Pot and Alcohol...   Until we have self driving cars 
driving down the freeway high is like shooting drunk...  Sure you can do 
it, but it's nothing close to responsible...


On 04/17/2018 08:27 PM, Josh Reynolds wrote:
Decriminalize drugs except in the event of endangering the welfare of a 
child, or risking life/limb of another person.


Drugs are a personal choice. If Jimbo isn't hurting anybody by coming 
home and the end of a day and smoking a joint, or maybe using mushrooms 
or MDA to help overcome emotional trauma, or for religious reasons, 
who's business is that?


Hard drugs are often done to escape inward or to damage onesself or to 
feel something or just... Feel. The root problem is mental health. Let 
people get clean needles in a controlled setting and give them access to 
talk to someone. It's had amazing effects in those mentioned contries.


Oh yeah, it'll right piss off the cartels too.



On Tue, Apr 17, 2018, 9:47 PM Steve Jones > wrote:


theres no shortage of criminals

On Tue, Apr 17, 2018 at 6:47 PM, Josh Reynolds > wrote:

I wish we would treat drugs here like they do in Spain and
Portugal, but how would our for-profit prison system, police and
federal law enforcement get money?

On Tue, Apr 17, 2018, 6:42 PM Steve Jones
>
wrote:

Thats heroin that permantly alters the opoid receptors in
the brain, the molecule is slightly larger than the normal
brain chemical (dopamine i think) its replacing, so the
receptor is enlarged. Its actually that first use that is
why doing heroin is called chasing the dragon, people are
seeking to replicate that first high but never can because
the physiologic change only happens once so its like chasing
a dragon

On Tue, Apr 17, 2018, 6:18 PM Josh Reynolds
> wrote:

That's Fake News.

On Tue, Apr 17, 2018, 2:21 PM Nate Burke
> wrote:

I thought I heard somewhere that any use of Meth,
even once, permanently
alters the brain chemistry.  So it's not a
'recreational' drug, and why
it's so addictive.

On 4/17/2018 2:11 PM, Jay Weekley wrote:
 > Anything that makes me not want to eat or sleep
isn't for me.  I like
 > those too much.
 >
 > Chuck McCown wrote:
 >> If I am going to use bath salts, they are called
Epsom and they are
 >> dissolved in hot water...
 >> Not really clear what they mean by bath salts.
 >>
 >> I was prescribed Xanax once.  Made me sleepy.
 >> Pot was not my thing back in the 70s...
 >> (I preferred Olympia, Blitz, Rainier, Hamms,
Miller, Heineken, Henry
 >> Winehards Private Reserve...)
 >>
 >> Not really sure what meth does to you but I know
it is horribly
 >> addictive and ruins everyone that gets hooked.
 >> I guess it is a version of speed.  But no direct
experience with that
 >> either.  Not wanting anything that cause my hear
to race.
 >> Coke Zero does that enough for me.
 >>
 >> My wife lived on Oxy after a pair of horrific
surgeries
 >> (decompression of the spine, harrington rods, 14
lag screws into her
 >> vertebrae).
 >> But she didn't get hooked.  Claimed it worked
really well.
 >>
 >> -Original Message- From: Jay Weekley
 >> Sent: Tuesday, April 17, 2018 12:08 PM
 >> To: af@afmug.com 
 >> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT: very OT. Scumbag parents
 >>
 >> I understand opiods, Xanax and pot but meth just
doesn't sound like fun
 >> and bath salts has to be the 

Re: [AFMUG] OT One for the borg

[Robert]

Lease them the dirt  ( Obviously you have already tried that..)

On 4/17/18 9:18 AM, Chuck McCown wrote:

In my area, all the storage companies are booked solid.
Yes, nice security fence.  The software allows them to open the gate 
with their phone.

Cameras, lights, DVR etc.
But, I have a storage company wanting to buy the dirt right now.  So I 
might just sell the dirt.

*From:* Lewis Bergman
*Sent:* Tuesday, April 17, 2018 6:36 AM
*To:* af@afmug.com
*Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] OT One for the borg
I own a small storage business called 277 Storage 
. First I would say, there is storage business 
software that wraps this all up for you. For something of that scale, I 
would think the ROI of that software is prohibitive, but likely less so 
than doing it yourself with what I assume your time is worth. At least 
that was the case last time I looked. There is somebody in Utah that 
claims to have software a small business 
 like you 
describe could afford.
The second thing I would say is I wouldn't do it with conex boxes. While 
I Like those containers and they are generally tighter than purpose 
built storage buildings, they turn renters off. Every site I have seen 
with them looks a bit dodgy and people seem to expect to pay less for 
those sites. A fence would be advisable. Units without fencing get 
burglary attempts than non fenced. I think it is likely due to the 
perception thieves have about the rest of the attitude on security.
Maybe I am wrong but the people who call me are more worried about 
security than price. I would also suggest putting up a HikVision, or if 
you prefer, Ubiquiti, camera system as well. Even a fake camera system 
would be worth the effort. Lastly, Throw all that out if this land isn't 
in a good location and just use conex boxes. Storage is a real estate 
business similar to others and if the location isn't good you will fight 
that uphill battle. If there are a lot of businesses in the area they 
may like those for storage. Don't know. We have had really good results 
with our warehouse storage. Call if you want to talk about it.
On Mon, Apr 16, 2018 at 10:04 PM Brian Webster 
 wrote:


I rented an apartment in California years ago where the gate control
had the ability for a visitor to hit an intercom button for your
unit and it would dial the number they had programmed in to the
system, you could answer the phone and enter a touch tone command to
open the gate





Thank You,

Brian Webster

www.wirelessmapping.com 

www.Broadband-Mapping.com 



*From:*Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] *On Behalf Of *ch...@wbmfg.com
*Sent:* Monday, April 16, 2018 11:40 AM
*To:* af@afmug.com
*Subject:* [AFMUG] OT One for the borg



Thinking of arranging about 50 conex containers on some commercial
land I own and renting them out for storage.

I want software where they will go online, see vacancies, rent, auto
pay etc.  Totally hands off.  Even like a phone app to open the gate
for them when they want to get into the place. 



Hate to develop code for this.  It has to exist out in the world
somewhere...



Any ideas. 

Re: [AFMUG] OT I must be bored today

[Robert]

Or phone _very_ rapidly switching between "towers", modes and power 
levels...


On 4/16/18 10:00 AM, ch...@wbmfg.com wrote:

Yep.� So I unplugged a cell phone booster I put in my office last week.

Have not installed it correctly, antenna in a window and the other 
antenna on my desk.
Solid metal building.� I have a big one for the whole building but 
coverage is poor in my office.


Phone seems to be cooling a little bit now.� I am thinking perhaps I 
have a weird feedback loop or something happening with the phone and the 
booster.


-Original Message----- From: Robert
Sent: Monday, April 16, 2018 10:57 AM
To: af@afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT I must be bored today

getting hot with the display off?

On 4/16/18 9:54 AM, ch...@wbmfg.com wrote:
Another question/puzzle for the borg.� Just got a call on an iphone. 
The phone got hotter than hell.� So much so I thought I had a 
thermal runaway in the battery.� It was almost becoming painful. 
After the call I put it in airplane mode, cancelled any open programs 
and left it on the desk.� Has cooled right down.

So, it was not thermal runaway.� Had to be CPU going like crazy.
Just canceled the airplane mode and it is getting hot again... Dang.
Hate to have to get a new phone. 

Re: [AFMUG] OT I must be bored today

[Robert]

getting hot with the display off?

On 4/16/18 9:54 AM, ch...@wbmfg.com wrote:
Another question/puzzle for the borg.� Just got a call on an iphone.  
The phone got hotter than hell.� So much so I thought I had a thermal 
runaway in the battery.� It was almost becoming painful. After the call 
I put it in airplane mode, cancelled any open programs and left it on 
the desk.� Has cooled right down.

So, it was not thermal runaway.� Had to be CPU going like crazy.
Just canceled the airplane mode and it is getting hot again... Dang.
Hate to have to get a new phone.

Re: [AFMUG] OT One for the borg

[Robert]

Were you watching is Uranium refining vids?

On 4/16/18 9:02 AM, ch...@wbmfg.com wrote:

That is just the hazard of living in Tooele County, Utah.

Ever see "Cody's Lab" on YouTube?

-Original Message----- From: Robert
Sent: Monday, April 16, 2018 9:59 AM
To: af@afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT One for the borg

Space between them so if one goes boom it doesn't take out a neighbor?

On 4/16/18 8:40 AM, ch...@wbmfg.com wrote:
Thinking of arranging about 50 conex containers on some commercial 
land I own and renting them out for storage.
I want software where they will go online, see vacancies, rent, auto 
pay etc.� Totally hands off.� Even like a phone app to open the 
gate for them when they want to get into the place.
Hate to develop code for this.� It has to exist out in the world 
somewhere...
Any ideas. 

Re: [AFMUG] OT One for the borg

[Robert]

Neighbor container, I meant...

On 4/16/18 9:02 AM, ch...@wbmfg.com wrote:

That is just the hazard of living in Tooele County, Utah.

Ever see "Cody's Lab" on YouTube?

-Original Message----- From: Robert
Sent: Monday, April 16, 2018 9:59 AM
To: af@afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT One for the borg

Space between them so if one goes boom it doesn't take out a neighbor?

On 4/16/18 8:40 AM, ch...@wbmfg.com wrote:
Thinking of arranging about 50 conex containers on some commercial 
land I own and renting them out for storage.
I want software where they will go online, see vacancies, rent, auto 
pay etc.� Totally hands off.� Even like a phone app to open the 
gate for them when they want to get into the place.
Hate to develop code for this.� It has to exist out in the world 
somewhere...
Any ideas. 

Re: [AFMUG] OT One for the borg

[Robert]

Space between them so if one goes boom it doesn't take out a neighbor?

On 4/16/18 8:40 AM, ch...@wbmfg.com wrote:
Thinking of arranging about 50 conex containers on some commercial land 
I own and renting them out for storage.
I want software where they will go online, see vacancies, rent, auto pay 
etc.� Totally hands off.� Even like a phone app to open the gate for 
them when they want to get into the place.
Hate to develop code for this.� It has to exist out in the world 
somewhere...

Any ideas.

Re: [AFMUG] MTC Outdoor 8 Circuit SS

[Robert]

Anderson Power pole would be my first preference but they are probably 
to big for this application unless you were using just one or two 
connections and then jumpering the power to the connections you wanted. 
 But I love dealing with PowerPoles over just about any other kind of 
connection.   Second would be the green pluggable connectors that 
someone was looking for just the other day.   The ones that clamp down 
on the wires and then get plugged into the board.  I believe that they 
are available in a smaller connector size than Power Poles...


On 4/14/18 7:58 PM, Lewis Bergman wrote:

pluggable

On Sat, Apr 14, 2018 at 7:27 PM Chuck McCown > wrote:


U. yea... yes yes indeed I am twas the plan
along yes indeedy!
Did I ever tell  you about my girlfriend Morgan Fairchild?
Thanks for the idea.  Just have to figure out which connectors to
use for the DC version.
They make some nice screw terminals that solder into slots into the
PCB.
What kind of wire gauges would be best?
*From:* Jason McKemie
*Sent:* Saturday, April 14, 2018 5:38 PM
*To:* af@afmug.com
*Subject:* [AFMUG] MTC Outdoor 8 Circuit SS
Chuck -
I like the new design, are you going to have DC SS (power only w/
screw terminal) modules available for this?
-Jason

Re: [AFMUG] Did I ruin summer animal farm?

[Robert]

How about trying to put a pin in a date early without all the rest of 
the planning for a straw man??


On 4/13/18 7:24 AM, Chuck McCown wrote:

Yeah, let's revisit the idea mid summer for a fall event.
-Original Message- From: Robert Sent: Friday, April 13, 2018 
7:38 AM To: af@afmug.com Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Did I ruin summer animal 
farm?

Winter in Utah would seem to preclude the outdoor demonstrations...

On 4/13/18 6:26 AM, Jon Langeler wrote:

Even this fall could be much better...

Jon Langeler
Michwave Technologies, Inc.


On Apr 13, 2018, at 9:21 AM, can...@believewireless.net 
<mailto:can...@believewireless.net> <p...@believewireless.net 
<mailto:p...@believewireless.net>> wrote:



I was lazy about it too but mostly because summer is our busy season.

On Fri, Apr 13, 2018 at 9:06 AM, Chuck McCown <ch...@wbmfg.com 
<mailto:ch...@wbmfg.com>> wrote:


    No, just too low a turnout (single digit) to attract sponsors. 
    Might give it a go later in the year,


    Sent from my iPhone

    > On Apr 12, 2018, at 11:18 PM, TJ Trout <t...@voltbb.com
    <mailto:t...@voltbb.com>> wrote:
    >
    > I just got my lazy ass around to registering and the event is
    canceled :( Did I miss the notice :) Oh wait I wasn't registered...
    >
    > I was really excited about AF back in Utah, small again, Feel
    like an idiot for procrastinating on the registration!
    >
    >

Re: [AFMUG] Did I ruin summer animal farm?

[Robert]

Winter in Utah would seem to preclude the outdoor demonstrations...

On 4/13/18 6:26 AM, Jon Langeler wrote:

Even this fall could be much better...

Jon Langeler
Michwave Technologies, Inc.


On Apr 13, 2018, at 9:21 AM, can...@believewireless.net 
 > wrote:



I was lazy about it too but mostly because summer is our busy season.

On Fri, Apr 13, 2018 at 9:06 AM, Chuck McCown > wrote:


No, just too low a turnout (single digit) to attract sponsors. 
Might give it a go later in the year,


Sent from my iPhone

> On Apr 12, 2018, at 11:18 PM, TJ Trout > wrote:
>
> I just got my lazy ass around to registering and the event is
canceled :( Did I miss the notice :) Oh wait I wasn't registered...
>
> I was really excited about AF back in Utah, small again, Feel
like an idiot for procrastinating on the registration!
>
>

Re: [AFMUG] AirOS partial config?

[Robert]

Maybe a session of that would have gotten the attendance up for Chucks 

On 4/12/18 2:14 PM, Steve Jones wrote:

I want in on that

On Thu, Apr 12, 2018, 4:12 PM George Skorup > wrote:


The config file definitely has unix formatting, which is why I'm
editing it with vi.

I don't want this to end up changing the SSIDs, WPA keys, device
names, etc. So I strip out those elements, save, upload and I
get Invalid configuration file structure.

And yes, I'm using the upload configuration button right below the
download configuration button.

I'm bout to get my .308 out and shoot these things off the towers.

On 4/11/2018 10:58 PM, Steve Jones wrote:

Did you use regular notepad? That fiddles with text configs
sometimes, notepad++ does not

On Wed, Apr 11, 2018, 10:56 PM George Skorup
> wrote:

Yeah that's exactly what I'm trying to do. Management and data
VLANs. Management address from static to DHCP. I was thinking
this would qualify as some pretty basic changes. Apparently not.

We upgraded everything to 6.1.6. I set up an NSM5, downloaded
the backup and stripped the device-specific stuff. Go import
it and it says invalid. WTF. I don't know. I'll screw with it
more tomorrow.

On 4/11/2018 10:37 PM, Josh Reynolds wrote:

For those with simple configs it's probably fine.

If you have several interfaces and vlans per CPE with a few
bridges, it's more of a pain (from experience).

On Wed, Apr 11, 2018, 10:29 PM Steve Jones
> wrote:

All the config file does is populate the listed fields.
Anything not listed it doesnt change. Thats why you have
to apply it but you can edit it still after loading it.
Id pull a fresh config file from one of the units and
edit it, removing anything you dont want changed. It
could just be a change in a field name

On Wed, Apr 11, 2018, 10:26 PM Mathew Howard
> wrote:

I'm not sure how you would use a partial config... I
think that it would just use defaults for anything
that was missing.

On Wed, Apr 11, 2018, 9:56 PM Josh Reynolds
>
wrote:

A partial config? Never tried it. Dunno what some
defaults are, and there are things hidden in the
config file that aren't in the webui.

Config also seems to change things from time to time.

Also config order is sometimes important
depending on what you are doing.

(This is just what I remember from 5.2.1-5.8.x days)

On Wed, Apr 11, 2018, 9:21 PM Steve Jones
> wrote:

It should

On Wed, Apr 11, 2018, 9:10 PM George Skorup
> wrote:

ePMP has spoiled me. Am I stupid, or will
airOS 6.1.x not take a partial
config? I just want to change a couple
things on several hundred radios.
And no, I'm not interested in AirControl
or UNMS.

Re: [AFMUG] Rfelements

[Robert]

That would be the part of a horn antenna that is most important, the 
very high fall off outside of the spec'd beam width without the nulls 
and peaks outside.   Short story, ran into a FAA tech looking for 
interference of a ground radar at the local airport.   He was on a hill 
with a 5! foot horn antenna looking for the source ( it was a Macintosh! 
with a bad rf seal about 6 miles away from the radar )..  Huge work to 
swing that 30 db antenna but knowing the radial of the interference was 
exact.   He nailed the location in 1/2 day to the exact house.


On 4/11/18 8:21 AM, ch...@wbmfg.com wrote:

Speaking generally here, not about this product specifically:
A 30 is a 30 at some dB down from peak.  Most reputable antenna 
manufacturers cite the beamwidth at the 3 dB down points on each side of 
the main lobe.  That is called HPBW or half power beam width.
Some go out farther to the 6 dB point to make their beam width seem 
wider than their competitors.  Personally I believe that is false 
advertising.  But I am sure they do not share my opinion.
Look at the type of beamwidth.  Should state how many dB down somewhere 
on the spec sheet.
Other than that, horn antennas are very well characterized.  They are 
used as lab standard calibration antennas.  Other than the point where 
they choose to specify the beamwidth I think you can totally trust the 
specs.

*From:* Steve Jones
*Sent:* Wednesday, April 11, 2018 9:01 AM
*To:* af@afmug.com
*Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Rfelements
so if im getting the right feel, here, I CAN trust these spec sheets? a 
30 is actually 30 and not 90? FB is real?
Ive had two in play on EPMP1000 for some time but i keep pulling them 
and moving them elsewhere because of changes, so Ive never had one up 
long enough to see. I have use case for narrower patterns and more APs 
at some sites because the uplinks are getting more interference than id 
prefer, my only other option is to add the secondary antenna on the 
2000, im not a fan of adding windload with no net capacity gain
On Wed, Apr 11, 2018 at 9:57 AM, Steve Jones <thatoneguyst...@gmail.com> 
wrote:


we have a substantial garbage dump
On Wed, Apr 11, 2018 at 9:08 AM, Jaime Solorza
<losguyswirel...@gmail.com> wrote:

There's mountains near Steve's WISP footprint?

Jaime Solorza
On Wed, Apr 11, 2018, 7:45 AM Mike Hammett <af...@ics-il.net> wrote:

You have that the other way around. A horn would be ideal in
a mountain area.



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*From: *"Sean Heskett" <af...@zirkel.us>
*To: *af@afmug.com
*Sent: *Tuesday, April 10, 2018 10:49:19 PM
*Subject: *Re: [AFMUG] Rfelements

I Totally agree with josh.
They have a specific purpose so if you can deploy within
those parameters they are great.
Unfortunately our area isn’t conducive to that type of
deployment because of terrain.  In the mountains you need
antennas with a wider vertical beam because your towers are
on mtn peaks and some clients are same height as the tower
and other clients are on the valley floor. It’s hard to use
a spot beam to cover all that.
In the Midwest or other flat areas I could see them being
useful to spot beam the population centers.
-Sean
On Tue, Apr 10, 2018 at 8:29 PM Josh Reynolds
<j...@kyneticwifi.com> wrote:

They are great for stuff like 30/40Mhz wide, gps sync,
put 4-6 on a pole in a subdivision  or on a tower leg
kinda thing.
If anybody thought they were for something else (ie long
range), they didn't read the data sheets.
Lightweight, low size, low wind load, perfectly circular
pattern - great spot beams. Good F/B ratio.
On Tue, Apr 10, 2018, 9:12 PM Robert
<i...@avantwireless.com> wrote:

I recently did a couple of test

Re: [AFMUG] Rfelements

[Robert]

I recently did a couple of tests with RF horns.   I was hoping for a lot 
and was disappointed.   I was hoping that they could be colocated 
closer than regular sectors that I use and the crosstalk signal levels 
were just about the same as the shielded sectors.   As far as the 
signals at the CPE's they were pretty good but not amazingly better for 
as small as the target area got reduced to.


On 4/10/18 6:43 PM, Steve Jones wrote:
Can i get some non fanboy real world on these guys? Btw, i hate facebook 
groups almost as much as dslreports or the ubnt forums, this is 
literally the only place to get legitimate product info.

Re: [AFMUG] OT one more for the borg

[Robert]

I should take and share a pic of the local DEA installation...  ( I 
wonder if that breaks a law? ) Yeah, it's where the "goodies" are and I 
wouldn't dream of crossing that fence line...


On 4/10/18 6:38 PM, Steve Jones wrote:
As a former criminal (and suprising to most, yes a mental ward 
inhabitant) i can tell you one thing, barbed wire is nothing but a jean 
jackets cost to beat. Razor wire or nothing.


I can also tell you another thing, the more physical "barriers" the more 
valuable the content. If i saw a steel vertical fence with barbed wire 
and obscure cameras. I knew, thats where the goodies are. A cheap 
ladder, jean jacket and a paintball gun, all your shit is mine. Put up a 
plywood security shack and paint the inside of the windows with black 
spray paint and keep your lightbulbs outside operational and you keep 
your stuff.



On Tue, Apr 10, 2018, 7:16 PM can...@believewireless.net 
 > wrote:


I drove by a lot yesterday that looked about as secure as you could
get. It looked like not much inside but maybe
so vehicle parking and junk vehicles. However, it had two rows of
chain link fence separated by circular razor
wire in between and on the tops of the fence. While it did seem to
be a deterrent, at least to me, I did wonder
what was inside that needed so much security.

On Tue, Apr 10, 2018 at 8:03 PM, Chuck McCown > wrote:

I think I would use multiple fence chargers so they can’t just
short out one circuit and kill the whole fence.
Or I could go all North Korean on them
*From:* TJ Trout
*Sent:* Tuesday, April 10, 2018 5:42 PM
*To:* af@afmug.com
*Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] OT one more for the borg
I've seen a few "fences" lately around equipment here in
California that are 8ft-ish and has about 6 horizontal wires
that are insulated from the posts with plastic hanging signs
that say something like "danger 12,000 volts" I'm can almost
guarantee it's not lethal although they want you to think that,
too much liability. It's probably just a regular of special
fence charger, probably would be the cheapest way to build
something with the least chance of intrusion?
On Tue, Apr 10, 2018 at 3:37 PM, Adam Moffett
 wrote:

It's only a deterrent.  Nobody's expecting to stop Danny Ocean.
Is it harder to climb if the barbed wire angles outwards? 
My criminal trespassing days are well behind me, so I

honestly don't know.
-- Original Message --
From: ch...@wbmfg.com
To: af@afmug.com
Sent: 4/10/2018 6:22:58 PM
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT one more for the borg

That was my thinking as well.
*From:* Mathew Howard
*Sent:* Tuesday, April 10, 2018 2:56 PM
*To:* af
*Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] OT one more for the borg
I'm not in the habit of cutting through fences, but I'd
guess that it would take less time to get through chain
link, but you're going to need a bigger cutters... and if
somebody wants to get in that badly, they'll cut through
either one.

But I can say that climbing 8' chain link with barbed wire
at the top isn't that hard...
On Tue, Apr 10, 2018 at 2:24 PM, Bill Prince
 wrote:

Depending on the gauge, hog wire can be about the same
difficulty to cut as chain link. Not sure which one
would be more or less difficult to get through, but
when you cut a row of chainnlink, the rest folds up
like an accordion.

I like concertina across the top, but the stuff you
described works too. Might be easier to work with.

Motion activated alarms can be effective.

-bp
--
bp
part15sbs{at}gmail{dot}com
On Tue, Apr 10, 2018 at 12:16 PM, Chuck McCown
 wrote:

I need to build a fence.  Keep people out of my
equipment yard.  Lost a few things over the years,
mostly radiators, wiring batts etc.  Copper stuff.
So, what kind of fence.  How tall.  I am thinking
10’/8’ T post with hog/goat welded wire.
Perhaps with those barbed wire brackets (if I can
get them to fit) with three strands of barbed wire
angling outward.
Could do shorter.
Could do chain link.
   

Re: [AFMUG] OT one more for the borg

[Robert Andrews]

ohhh does it come with the spa/pool like that hitchcock thriller?

On 04/10/2018 01:32 PM, Chuck McCown wrote:

I have images of the party scene in One Flew Over the Cuckoos Nest.
*From:* Adam Moffett
*Sent:* Tuesday, April 10, 2018 2:25 PM
*To:* af@afmug.com
*Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] OT one more for the borg
Did you get ballistic housings?
P.S.: I'm really amused that your office is an abandoned hospital.  No 
ordinary office would do for a person of your caliber.

-- Original Message --
From: "Steve Jones" 
To: af@afmug.com
Sent: 4/10/2018 3:42:01 PM
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT one more for the borg
best thing we did here (we operate out of an abandoned hospital) was 
put up as big of housings for our security cameras as we could find 
and put them in very prominent locations. We went from a broken window 
or tresspass almost every other week to it being a very rare occurrence.

On Tue, Apr 10, 2018 at 2:24 PM, Bill Prince  wrote:

Depending on the gauge, hog wire can be about the same difficulty
to cut as chain link. Not sure which one would be more or less
difficult to get through, but when you cut a row of chainnlink,
the rest folds up like an accordion.

I like concertina across the top, but the stuff you described
works too. Might be easier to work with.

Motion activated alarms can be effective.

-bp
--
bp
part15sbs{at}gmail{dot}com
On Tue, Apr 10, 2018 at 12:16 PM, Chuck McCown 
wrote:

I need to build a fence.  Keep people out of my equipment
yard.  Lost a few things over the years, mostly radiators,
wiring batts etc.  Copper stuff.
So, what kind of fence.  How tall.  I am thinking 10’/8’ T
post with hog/goat welded wire.
Perhaps with those barbed wire brackets (if I can get them to
fit) with three strands of barbed wire angling outward.
Could do shorter.
Could do chain link.
Could do three strands of straight barbed wire at the top of 6’.
Not sure I need to do the 2 3/8 pipe posts cemented in the
ground except for the corners.
If they will cut hog wire they will cut chain link I think.
Chain link fence company quoted $25/foot.
Cops say motion activated lights are the best deterrent.
Followed by working or not cameras.
And I am doing/will do both of these.
Opinions please.

Re: [AFMUG] OT one more for the borg

[Robert Andrews]

& a sign that says "Smile you're on camera"

On 04/10/2018 12:16 PM, Chuck McCown wrote:
I need to build a fence.  Keep people out of my equipment yard. Lost a 
few things over the years, mostly radiators, wiring batts etc. Copper stuff.
So, what kind of fence.  How tall.  I am thinking 10’/8’ T post with 
hog/goat welded wire.
Perhaps with those barbed wire brackets (if I can get them to fit) with 
three strands of barbed wire angling outward.

Could do shorter.
Could do chain link.
Could do three strands of straight barbed wire at the top of 6’.
Not sure I need to do the 2 3/8 pipe posts cemented in the ground except 
for the corners.

If they will cut hog wire they will cut chain link I think.
Chain link fence company quoted $25/foot.
Cops say motion activated lights are the best deterrent.  Followed by 
working or not cameras.

And I am doing/will do both of these.
Opinions please.

Re: [AFMUG] OT Help MT config

[Robert]

I've only fat fingered that about a dozen times...   So when I see those 
symptoms, one of the first things I tell the tech to look for...


On 4/6/18 8:25 AM, Adam Moffett wrote:

Ah...yes his IP is a /32 right now.
Good eye.

-- Original Message --
From: "Robert Andrews" <i...@avantwireless.com>
To: af@afmug.com
Sent: 4/5/2018 6:35:35 PM
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT Help MT config

Shouldn't his IP address have a /24 after it so that it has a network 
component...???


On 04/05/2018 01:27 PM, ch...@wbmfg.com wrote:

Total noob with MT configs.
So far this is what we have.
It does not pass traffic to its DHCP clients.
Anything obviously wrong here?
# apr/05/2018 14:28:41 by RouterOS 6.41.3
# software id = NKWC-ZTQG
#
# model = 2011iL
# serial number = 607D05B9AED2
/interfacewirelesssecurity-profiles
set[find*default*=yes]supplicant-identity=MikroTik
/ippool
addname=dhcp_pool1 *ranges*=172.17.6.100-172.17.6.250
/ipdhcp-server
addaddress-pool=dhcp_pool1 disabled=no*interface*=ether5 name=dhcp1 
src-address=172.17.1.192

/interfacebridgeport
addcomment=defconf *interface*=ether1
addcomment=defconf *interface*=ether2
addcomment=defconf *interface*=ether3
addcomment=defconf *interface*=ether4
addcomment=defconf *interface*=ether5
addcomment=defconf *interface*=ether6
addcomment=defconf *interface*=ether7
addcomment=defconf *interface*=ether8
addcomment=defconf *interface*=ether9
addcomment=defconf *interface*=ether10
/ipaddress
add*address*=172.17.6.1 *interface*=ether5 network=172.17.6.1
/ipdhcp-client
addcomment=defconf dhcp-options=hostname,clientid 
disabled=no*interface*=ether1adddhcp-options=hostname,clientid 
disabled=no*interface*=ether6

/ipdhcp-servernetwork
addaddress=172.17.6.0/24 dns-server=172.17.1.1,172.17.0.2,1.0.0.1 
gateway=172.17.6.1

/systemclock
settime-zone-name=America/Denver[admin@MikroTik] >

Re: [AFMUG] OT Help MT config

[Robert Andrews]

Shouldn't his IP address have a /24 after it so that it has a network 
component...???


On 04/05/2018 01:27 PM, ch...@wbmfg.com wrote:

Total noob with MT configs.
So far this is what we have.
It does not pass traffic to its DHCP clients.
Anything obviously wrong here?
# apr/05/2018 14:28:41 by RouterOS 6.41.3
# software id = NKWC-ZTQG
#
# model = 2011iL
# serial number = 607D05B9AED2
/interfacewirelesssecurity-profiles
set[find*default*=yes]supplicant-identity=MikroTik
/ippool
addname=dhcp_pool1 *ranges*=172.17.6.100-172.17.6.250
/ipdhcp-server
addaddress-pool=dhcp_pool1 disabled=no*interface*=ether5 name=dhcp1 
src-address=172.17.1.192

/interfacebridgeport
addcomment=defconf *interface*=ether1
addcomment=defconf *interface*=ether2
addcomment=defconf *interface*=ether3
addcomment=defconf *interface*=ether4
addcomment=defconf *interface*=ether5
addcomment=defconf *interface*=ether6
addcomment=defconf *interface*=ether7
addcomment=defconf *interface*=ether8
addcomment=defconf *interface*=ether9
addcomment=defconf *interface*=ether10
/ipaddress
add*address*=172.17.6.1 *interface*=ether5 network=172.17.6.1
/ipdhcp-client
addcomment=defconf dhcp-options=hostname,clientid 
disabled=no*interface*=ether1adddhcp-options=hostname,clientid 
disabled=no*interface*=ether6

/ipdhcp-servernetwork
addaddress=172.17.6.0/24 dns-server=172.17.1.1,172.17.0.2,1.0.0.1 
gateway=172.17.6.1

/systemclock
settime-zone-name=America/Denver[admin@MikroTik] >

Re: [AFMUG] OT my afternoon

[Robert]

I knew there was a reason I liked you

On 4/3/18 7:38 PM, Chuck McCown wrote:

Yeah, I am a ski only snob...

-Original Message- From: Robert Sent: Tuesday, April 03, 2018 
7:46 PM To: af@afmug.com Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT my afternoon

Alta!

On 4/3/18 3:35 PM, Chuck McCown wrote:







Sent from my iPhone

Re: [AFMUG] OT my afternoon

[Robert]

I miss Alta...   I started to move up the ranks of the room lists there, 
one prior life ago...


On 4/3/18 5:42 PM, Chuck McCown wrote:

Well... I tried.

At Alta, they have free skiing on the rope tow/pommel lift area.
Good for kids as they don't have to be faced with a chair lift their 
first day.
Once they have the basics down, then you can take them to Brighton for 
free skiing until they are 10.


-Original Message- From: Mark Radabaugh
Sent: Tuesday, April 03, 2018 6:36 PM
To: af@afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT my afternoon

Did you teach him to turn?   Last time I went skiing with you, you 
pointed the skis straight down the mountain….


Mark


On Apr 3, 2018, at 8:34 PM, Chuck McCown  wrote:

Teaching my British grandsons to ski.
-Original Message- From: Bill Prince Sent: Tuesday, April 03, 
2018 5:25 PM To: af@afmug.com Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT my afternoon

You going sledding?


bp


On 4/3/2018 3:35 PM, Chuck McCown wrote:

Re: [AFMUG] OT my afternoon

[Robert]

Alta!

On 4/3/18 3:35 PM, Chuck McCown wrote:







Sent from my iPhone

Re: [AFMUG] new DNS

[Robert]

Cloudflare has also screwed-the-pooch at least once in a major way that 
got national headlines...


On 4/3/18 8:09 AM, Darin Steffl wrote:
The new cloudflare dns is 3ms away from our core, opendns and Google are 
12ms away.


And I believe that cloudflare can run way more reliable dns than we can. 
They also use anycast so if their Minneapolis pop had trouble, we'll 
route to the next closest pop like Chicago.


I would like to host our own DNS and was planning on adding two servers 
for this in the spring but with cloudflare introducing this, we may just 
point customers to them now.


I've seen cloudflare racks and they have a ton of gear and reliability 
built in. They also host two of the root dns servers. Their cache rate 
will be much higher than our own servers as well.


On Tue, Apr 3, 2018, 9:49 AM Forrest Christian (List Account) 
> wrote:


I have heard that mikrotik has an acceptable dns caching server
built in  maybe start there?  I don't know if does full
recursive lookups using the root tree.

For some reason everyone over estimates what is really needed for
robust caching dns.  You can safely use even a couple of raspberry
pis for almost all wisp sized networks.

The key architecture you need to ensure its that the dns server has
substantially similar connectivity to the net as the clients that
use that dns server.   The reason for this is that many web services
use information gleamed from the origin of the dns queries to
determine the closest server.   As a result,  you want the dns
server to have the same paths to the net as the clients as much as
possible.

On Tue, Apr 3, 2018, 8:19 AM David Coudron
>
wrote:

Hi folks,

__ __

This has been a really timely discussion for us as we are
wrestling with the same kinds of questions as Adam mentions.  
With enough time (resources) and money, we would put a very

robust DNS at each Direct Internet Access drain point. However,
we have been aggressively moving to reduce our footprint at DIAs
so that we can have more of them and they require less
intervention and maintenance.   Putting any kind of server there
(Linux or otherwise) seems to complicate a pretty clean set up
that is currently MikroTik and Powercode BMUs.   In fact, that
is one of the biggest concerns we have if we were to move to
Sonar is the need to start putting Linux devices in DIAs and
towers (a topic for another day).   We do not provide
authoritative DNS for customers and don’t need it for ourselves,
so this is only a performance/cleanliness discussion.   We see
three main options:

 1. Find an appliance based device/server that is easy as heck
to maintain and doesn’t require site visits.  Something like
the Mikrotik CCRs.  Put them at every DIA
 2. Run a regionally centralized DNS server in a data center and
have the closest DIAs point to their respective data center
DNS server.    This would reduce the number of servers and
keep them in a data center environment
 3. Rely on 3^rd Party (google or otherwise).   We don’t believe
our servers will be more reliable than the combination of
multiple 3^rd party options, so this is a performance
decision.

__ __

I think the best decision would be a very simple appliance to
sit in our DIA’s, but we haven’t looked into it enough to see
what exists.   By simple, we would be looking for something that
we could do regular firmware updates only, and monitor with SNMP
just like all our other network devices.

__ __

Regards,

__ __

David Coudron 

__ __

*From:* Af >
*On Behalf Of *Adam Moffett
*Sent:* Tuesday, April 3, 2018 9:04 AM
*To:* af@afmug.com 
*Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] new DNS

__ __

It's clearly not hard.  It's obviously not expensive. I'm
already doing it and have been for years.  But it's more than
$0.

__ __

I've seen the geolocation issue in the past.  More recently I
tried to demonstrate it to someone and it turned out that Google
DNS and our own DNS gave us Netflix content from the same
source. 

__ __

If I used someone else's DNS and that 3rd party went away, then
there are apparently 10 other "3rd parties" to choose from.  I
recognize the point that it's a 3rd party and we don't want to
rely on 3rd parties: But can we honestly say that 

Re: [AFMUG] Cable protector for Steve

[Robert Andrews]

Out of stock...  & the price puts it on the... Hmmm what should I do 
with this wad  toys list...


On 03/31/2018 06:34 AM, Chuck Hogg wrote:

http://www.georgiaunderground.net/products/turboslitter-cordless-drill-attachment.html

Regards,
Chuck

On Fri, Mar 30, 2018 at 9:44 PM, Robert <i...@avantwireless.com 
<mailto:i...@avantwireless.com>> wrote:


Where did you buy it?  Didn't find help on the web...

On 3/30/18 6:07 PM, Chuck Hogg wrote:

Yep, that's what we have...

Regards,
Chuck

On Fri, Mar 30, 2018 at 2:43 PM, Carl Peterson
<cpeter...@portnetworks.com <mailto:cpeter...@portnetworks.com>
<mailto:cpeter...@portnetworks.com
<mailto:cpeter...@portnetworks.com>>> wrote:

 Get the right tool.
https://www.condux.com/product.php?id=202
<https://www.condux.com/product.php?id=202>
 <https://www.condux.com/product.php?id=202
<https://www.condux.com/product.php?id=202>>


 On Mar 30, 2018, at 2:35 PM, Steve Jones
<thatoneguyst...@gmail.com <mailto:thatoneguyst...@gmail.com>
 <mailto:thatoneguyst...@gmail.com
<mailto:thatoneguyst...@gmail.com>>> wrote:

 i broke one of those on too heavy of steel


 On Fri, Mar 30, 2018 at 10:45 AM, <ch...@wbmfg.com
<mailto:ch...@wbmfg.com>
 <mailto:ch...@wbmfg.com <mailto:ch...@wbmfg.com>>> wrote:

 Start at the end and just munch your way down the side.

 -Original Message- From: Adam Moffett
 Sent: Friday, March 30, 2018 9:42 AM
 To: af@afmug.com <mailto:af@afmug.com>
<mailto:af@afmug.com <mailto:af@afmug.com>>
 Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Cable protector for Steve

 Never used one.
 How well could you cut a straight slot through the
pipe with that?


 -- Original Message --
 From: "Bill Prince" <part15...@gmail.com
<mailto:part15...@gmail.com>
 <mailto:part15...@gmail.com
<mailto:part15...@gmail.com>>>
 To: af@afmug.com <mailto:af@afmug.com>
<mailto:af@afmug.com <mailto:af@afmug.com>>
 Sent: 3/30/2018 11:29:13 AM
 Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Cable protector for Steve

 I like this one.


https://www.grainger.com/product/INGERSOLL-RAND-General-Duty-Air-Nibbler-5MRY1

<https://www.grainger.com/product/INGERSOLL-RAND-General-Duty-Air-Nibbler-5MRY1>

<https://www.grainger.com/product/INGERSOLL-RAND-General-Duty-Air-Nibbler-5MRY1


<https://www.grainger.com/product/INGERSOLL-RAND-General-Duty-Air-Nibbler-5MRY1>>

 bp
 <part15sbs{at}gmail{dot}com>

 On 3/30/2018 8:19 AM, ch...@wbmfg.com
<mailto:ch...@wbmfg.com>
 <mailto:ch...@wbmfg.com
<mailto:ch...@wbmfg.com>> wrote:


https://www.amazon.com/Premium-Life-360-022-Nickel-Nibbling/dp/B0002KRACO/ref=sr_1_6?ie=UTF8=1522423141=8-6=sheet+metal+nibbler

<https://www.amazon.com/Premium-Life-360-022-Nickel-Nibbling/dp/B0002KRACO/ref=sr_1_6?ie=UTF8=1522423141=8-6=sheet+metal+nibbler>

<https://www.amazon.com/Premium-Life-360-022-Nickel-Nibbling/dp/B0002KRACO/ref=sr_1_6?ie=UTF8=1522423141=8-6=sheet+metal+nibbler


<https://www.amazon.com/Premium-Life-360-022-Nickel-Nibbling/dp/B0002KRACO/ref=sr_1_6?ie=UTF8=1522423141=8-6=sheet+metal+nibbler>>

 -Original Message- From: Jay Weekley
 Sent: Friday, March 30, 2018 9:09 AM
 To: af@afmug.com <mailto:af@afmug.com>
<mailto:af@afmug.com <mailto:af@afmug.com>>
 Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Cable protector for Steve

 Ok. What is a "nibbler"?

 Chuck Hogg wrote:

 You should use a nibbler...

 Regards,
 Chuck

 On Wed, Mar 28, 2018 at 11:12 PM, Steve
Jones
 <thatoneguyst...@gmail.com
<mailto:thatoneguyst...@gmail.com>
 <mailto:thatoneguyst...@gmail.com
<mailto:thatoneguyst...@gmail.com>>
 

Re: [AFMUG] Cable protector for Steve

[Robert]

Where did you buy it?  Didn't find help on the web...

On 3/30/18 6:07 PM, Chuck Hogg wrote:

Yep, that's what we have...

Regards,
Chuck

On Fri, Mar 30, 2018 at 2:43 PM, Carl Peterson 
> wrote:


Get the right tool. https://www.condux.com/product.php?id=202



On Mar 30, 2018, at 2:35 PM, Steve Jones > wrote:


i broke one of those on too heavy of steel


On Fri, Mar 30, 2018 at 10:45 AM, > wrote:

Start at the end and just munch your way down the side.

-Original Message- From: Adam Moffett
Sent: Friday, March 30, 2018 9:42 AM
To: af@afmug.com 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Cable protector for Steve

Never used one.
How well could you cut a straight slot through the pipe with that?


-- Original Message --
From: "Bill Prince" >
To: af@afmug.com 
Sent: 3/30/2018 11:29:13 AM
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Cable protector for Steve

I like this one.


https://www.grainger.com/product/INGERSOLL-RAND-General-Duty-Air-Nibbler-5MRY1



bp


On 3/30/2018 8:19 AM, ch...@wbmfg.com
 wrote:


https://www.amazon.com/Premium-Life-360-022-Nickel-Nibbling/dp/B0002KRACO/ref=sr_1_6?ie=UTF8=1522423141=8-6=sheet+metal+nibbler



-Original Message- From: Jay Weekley
Sent: Friday, March 30, 2018 9:09 AM
To: af@afmug.com 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Cable protector for Steve

Ok. What is a "nibbler"?

Chuck Hogg wrote:

You should use a nibbler...

Regards,
Chuck

On Wed, Mar 28, 2018 at 11:12 PM, Steve Jones

>> wrote:

    i took over the installers van while hes got
broken bones, i have
    it pretty "organized"
    but the other day i had to do 7 ubnt with
reflectors to epmp
    swaps, how does one organize that volume of
dishes?


    On Wed, Mar 28, 2018 at 10:03 PM, Adam Moffett
    
>> wrote:

        No trick.  I just tuck them inside somewhere.

        I wish I had pics of my brother's Time
Warner Cable van.  He
        was impressively well organized.


        -- Original Message --
        From: "Steve Jones"

        >>
        To: af@afmug.com 
>
        Sent: 3/28/2018 10:44:42 PM
        Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Cable protector for Steve

        i have a pipe on the top of the van
that holds 10 foot sticks
        so some PVC conduit would work. On
that note, any trick on
        keeping 8 or 6 foot sticks as you cut
them down in the pipe
        on top of the van without the other
pipes pushing them up?

        On Wed, Mar 28, 2018 at 9:19 PM, Adam
Moffett
        
>> wrote:

            I tripped over these pics when
looking for 

Re: [AFMUG] OT Fw: Hyundai 285 Black on Black 59c/watt Limited Time Only!

[Robert]

And that price with the tarriffs?

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Re: [AFMUG] OT My son Frank

[Robert]

Curses, stripped again...

On 3/28/18 6:37 AM, Chuck McCown wrote:

I will try this again.  It is a 3ppp recording.
*From:* Lewis Bergman
*Sent:* Tuesday, March 27, 2018 8:47 PM
*To:* af@afmug.com
*Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] OT My son Frank
That is quite the teaser

On Tue, Mar 27, 2018, 8:40 PM Chuck McCown  wrote:

Re: [AFMUG] Test - November 22 2013

[Robert]

Received:   Thursday, 1 January 1970  for some who know...

On 3/27/18 2:07 PM, Mathew Howard wrote:

Received December 12 1998.

On Tue, Mar 27, 2018 at 3:24 PM, Matt Hoppes 
> wrote:


Test sent November 22 2013 @ 1234

Testing mailing list delay.

Re: [AFMUG] OT The Wild Country on Netflix

[Robert]

I just started watching this..   The google mapped the present area... 
Wow...


On 3/27/18 1:01 PM, Chuck McCown wrote:
This series covers an Indian Rajneesh cult leader that took over the 
government in a county in Oregon.
They also committed biological warfare terrorism as part of their 
activities.
I lived in that county and was one of the victims of this domestic 
terrorism effort.
Interesting seeing people I knew back in the early 1980s showing up on 
this documentary.

Re: [AFMUG] OT Test uno dos tres it is Lent

[Robert]

interestingly enough, the ME263 was also "steam" powered.   As that is 
the expansion gas produced from the "t-stoff" and "z-stoff"


On 3/27/18 10:04 AM, Bill Prince wrote:
That's what the article I read said. There was some kind of issue with 
it holding/keeping the desired pressure.


bp


On 3/27/2018 10:03 AM, Jason McKemie wrote:

So apparently this thing is steam powered?

On Sun, Mar 25, 2018 at 11:07 PM, Chuck McCown > wrote:


On a totally different subject, did y’all catch rocket man and his
Evel Knieval missile?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0UAHORcbvvQ

The earth is indeed flat.  You heard it here first folks.
*From:* Steve Jones
*Sent:* Sunday, March 25, 2018 10:03 PM
*To:* af@afmug.com
*Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Test uno dos tres
This is merca, we count in mercan round here, not none of those
weird south of the border numers. Cant trust no countin that
starts with the name of a kids card game. My uncle daddy once told
me, son, you aint never gonna amount to s@$t, but that dont mean
you cant speak mercan in merca.
On Sun, Mar 25, 2018, 3:32 PM Bill Prince  wrote:

cuatro, cinco, seis

2018-03-24 10:46 PST

bp


On 3/24/2018 10:30 AM, Josh Reynolds wrote:

Test
On Mar 18, 2018 8:30 PM, "Jaime Solorza"
 wrote:

I posted something a while ago

Jaime Solorza

Re: [AFMUG] Linksys

[Robert]

It was actually based upon a proto design that was put out by the chip 
manufacturer and there were 4 different companies that had basically the 
same guts.   The biggest differences were the GUI on top and the power 
supply they provided.   KISS


On 3/26/18 9:18 PM, Jaime Solorza wrote:

Actually.. they were pretty solid

Jaime Solorza

On Mon, Mar 26, 2018, 10:15 PM > wrote:


I’m going back to their original wrt54g routers that were damn near
bullet proof.

Sent from my iPhone

On Mar 26, 2018, at 8:57 PM, Jason McKemie
> wrote:


I never really thought of Linksys as being a good thing.

On Monday, March 26, 2018, > wrote:

Cisco bought linksys. Screwed up a good thing. Belden bought
linksys all hell broke loose, making some of the worse
products out there. I guess it could only get better.

Sent from my iPhone

> On Mar 26, 2018, at 8:46 PM, Josh Reynolds
> wrote:
>
> Cisco sold off Linksys to Belkin a few years back. Dunno
bout wemo.
>
>> On Mon, Mar 26, 2018 at 10:42 PM, Chuck McCown
> wrote:
>> “Foxconn buys Belkin, Linksys, and Wemo”
>>
>> I thought Cisco bought Linksys years ago?

Re: [AFMUG] test sent 6:58pm Sunday

[Robert]

pong...

On 3/25/18 3:59 PM, Paul McCall wrote:

test

Sent from my Android phone using Symantec TouchDown (www.symantec.com)

Re: [AFMUG] Test test

[Robert]

Somebody needs to feed the squirrels running this thing some meth... 
Sent 3/22/ 3:17pm pst


On 3/22/18 2:18 PM, Jon Lee wrote:

Test 7:43PM (AZ Time 3/18/18)

On Mar 18, 2018 6:41 PM, "Keefe John" > wrote:


This list is eating messages.  I responded to this earlier and
didn't get it yet.


On 3/16/2018 3:35 PM, Matt Hoppes wrote:

Is this thing on? Messages seem to be being delayed by days.

Re: [AFMUG] LIST BEING SLOW - VERY SLOW...

[Robert]

First person to test?   9:13am pst

On 3/23/18 8:40 AM, Paul McCall wrote:

Guys,

Over the weekend, we became aware that the list has been very slow.� We 
are digging in this AM as we all had a busy weekend here.� It appears 
that there might be some form of attack against the list from overseas.


Steve, who did you tick off?

Anyway, we will get it figured out and back to normal.� Of course, by 
the time you see this, you probably wont know that we are working on it.


Paul McCall, President

PDMNet, Inc. / Florida Broadband, Inc.

658 Old Dixie Highway

Vero Beach, FL 32962

772-564-6800

pa...@pdmnet.net 

www.pdmnet.com 

www.floridabroadband.com 

Re: [AFMUG] Require Recent Web Browser?

[Robert Andrews]

I remember how cool it was to use the first gopher GUI, and how fast 
that was followed by mosaic from ncsa...   heady times those...


this is also a test to see if the list is getting better...

On 03/21/2018 08:19 AM, Forrest Christian (List Account) wrote:
I remember when lynx was an acceptable Web browser.  But again I also 
remember when the Web didn't exist and it was email, ftp, telnet, and 
gopher.


On Mar 18, 2018 12:35 AM, > wrote:

As long as netscape still works I am good.
*From:* Sean Heskett
*Sent:* Thursday, March 15, 2018 11:14 PM
*To:* af@afmug.com
*Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Require Recent Web Browser?
Use modern technologies.  Your customer base is tech savvy enough
and should not be using old browsers and if they are then too bad.
2 cents
-sean
On Wed, Mar 14, 2018 at 5:49 PM Forrest Christian (List Account)
 wrote:

A bit of a survey here
A couple of features I'm looking at for current/future products
would be much easier to implement using a certain feature found
only in relatively new web browsers, aka, Chrome/Firefox/Edge
updated within the last year.
One specific browser feature I'm looking at is webassembly. 
Various tools out there indicate that around 87% of the

installed/active browsers on the internet are recent enough for
native support.   Most of the browsers gained support for this
feature early to mid last year. With autoupdates being the rule
instead of the exception, anyone on a recent auto-updating web
browser should support this.  I'm mostly concerned about 'the rest'.
Support for the older browsers is possible, but it adds a level
of complexity (specifically a level of testing) which I would
prefer not to do if I could get away without it.
To be clear:  Almost all of the functionality of the upcoming
products won't require these functions.  A specific example of
something that might require this is setting up the scripting
functionality as I'm looking at various technologies which would
work best if I could run a chunk of webassembly code in the
browser as part of the code editor.  However, other than editing
a script, the rest of the functionality would work fine.
Thoughts?
-- 
*Forrest Christian* /CEO//, PacketFlux Technologies, Inc./

Tel: 406-449-3345 | Address: 3577 Countryside Road, Helena, MT
59602


forre...@imach.com | http://www.packetflux.com


 

Re: [AFMUG] testing

[Robert]

Need that email rooter rooter thingy...

On 3/18/18 9:21 AM, Mike Hammett wrote:

The list has been slow lately.



-
Mike Hammett
Intelligent Computing Solutions 

Midwest Internet Exchange 

The Brothers WISP 





*From: *"Jaime Solorza" 
*To: *"Animal Farm" 
*Sent: *Thursday, March 15, 2018 8:32:15 AM
*Subject: *Re: [AFMUG] testing

I posted two items and they haven't made to list in two days.  Must be 
Russians or Aliens.


Jaime Solorza

On Wed, Mar 14, 2018, 4:21 AM Justin Marshall > wrote:


testing

Re: [AFMUG] OT: Amtrak

[Robert]

Yep, taking a train is about being relaxed not about being on a schedule...

On 3/9/18 1:50 PM, Jaime Solorza wrote:

Damn.  Go to bar car and get drunk.. ain't no big thing...make it a party

Jaime Solorza

On Fri, Mar 9, 2018, 2:27 PM Adam Moffett > wrote:


lol train neutrality

-- Original Message --
From: "Cameron Crum" >
To: af@afmug.com 
Sent: 3/9/2018 4:19:07 PM
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT: Amtrak


I would say that Since the railroads make most of their money off
of freight and only a small portion from Amtrak, freight probably
gets priority. Too bad there is no "train neutrality".

On Fri, Mar 9, 2018 at 3:10 PM, Adam Moffett > wrote:

So what the heck does it mean that my train is delayed by
"freight train interference"?

Do the railroads have a QoS policy favoring bulk downloads
over realtime traffic? Seems backwards.  The freight wouldn't
care if it took an extra hour. Just sayin.

Re: [AFMUG] OT: Amtrak

[Robert]

Why euro high speed rails are dedicated passenger...

On 3/9/18 1:24 PM, Zach Underwood wrote:

Here is some more details https://youtu.be/mbEfzuCLoAQ?t=224

On Fri, Mar 9, 2018 at 4:12 PM, Zach Underwood > wrote:


Most of the tracks that Amtrak uses are owned by the rail freight
company so they give favor for there own loads.

On Fri, Mar 9, 2018 at 4:10 PM, Adam Moffett > wrote:

So what the heck does it mean that my train is delayed by
"freight train interference"?

Do the railroads have a QoS policy favoring bulk downloads over
realtime traffic? Seems backwards.  The freight wouldn't care if
it took an extra hour. Just sayin.





-- 
Zach Underwood (RHCE,RHCSA,RHCT,UACA)

My website 
advance-networking.com 




--
Zach Underwood (RHCE,RHCSA,RHCT,UACA)
My website 
advance-networking.com 

Re: [AFMUG] OT: This is pretty slick - that price tag though...

[Robert]

Aero downforce

On 3/8/18 7:20 PM, Jason McKemie wrote:
They're saying that as-is (with a 600+ mile range), the Roadster will be 
around 4000lbs, compared to the GT's 3300 and the Z06's 3500. It's not 
too hard to imagine a lower-range unit that is considerably lighter (the 
batteries alone are supposed to be close to 1800lbs). Point taken on the 
road car vs a track car, but that applies to all of these to some 
extent. And yes, the price is pretty absurd, the Z06 is much more 
reasonable.


  If Tesla had a 300 mile range version that was track-tuned it would be 
really hard to compete with I would think.


On Thursday, March 8, 2018, Rory Conaway <r...@triadwireless.net 
<mailto:r...@triadwireless.net>> wrote:


0-60 does not a track car make.  Most of these cars we are talking
about can corner at about 1.1-1.2+gs.  That’s a big advantage on a
race track.  And they all weight a lot less than the Tesla will with
the entire car designed for 1 thing, lower lap times.  If you want a
race car, it’s going to drive like crap on the street.  If you want
a drag car, it’s going to drive like crap on a road track.  If you
want a car that can do all 3, that’s a compromise car.  The Tesla
roadster is built for the street first, road race cars will beat
it.  Drag only cars like a Demon will beat it in ¼ mile when
prepped, they are already hitting sub 9’s. 

__ __

But seriously, how many of us are going to spend $250K on a car.  I
got hives thinking of spending $80K on a street Tesla. 

__ __

Rory

__ __

*From:*Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com
<mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com>] *On Behalf Of *Jason McKemie
*Sent:* Thursday, March 8, 2018 3:41 PM
*To:* af@afmug.com <mailto:af@afmug.com>
*Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] OT: This is pretty slick - that price tag
though...

__ __

How is a $500k gt more economical than a $250k Tesla? The Tesla is
going to blow the doors off of the GT and the Corvette. The Tesla
has a 0-60 of less than 2 seconds and a top end of 250mph.

On Thursday, March 8, 2018, Travis Johnson <t...@ida.net
<mailto:t...@ida.net>> wrote:

Normal insurance won't cover any vehicle on a race track. You have
to buy specialized insurance, which I'm sure would be crazy expensive.

It would be more economical to buy the new Ford GT350R ($500k) or
the new Corvette Z06 ($120k)... mainly because they are the two
fastest track cars available right now... even beating the Porsche
918 ($1 million).

Travis



On 3/8/2018 10:10 AM, Chuck McCown wrote:

Maybe I could buy one and rent it out for $1K/day.  We do have a
very nice race track nearby. 



*From:*Chuck McCown 

*Sent:*Thursday, March 08, 2018 10:00 AM

*To:*af@afmug.com <mailto:af@afmug.com> 

*Subject:*Re: [AFMUG] OT: This is pretty slick - that price tag
though...



Travis, want to do a fractional ownership thing with me on one
of these???



*From:*Travis Johnson 

*Sent:*Thursday, March 08, 2018 9:52 AM

*To:*af@afmug.com <mailto:af@afmug.com> 

*Subject:*Re: [AFMUG] OT: This is pretty slick - that price tag
though...



The only problem is the Roadster won't be shipping until 2020 or
later... LOL

Travis



On 3/8/2018 9:24 AM, Cameron Crum wrote:

No doubt about that. But, considering the specs on this car,
it is cheap compared to other "super cars" with relatively
similar (not much out there that can boast these specs)
performance specifications. I've never been a big Tesla car
fan as I don't think the company would have been successful
on its own, but that is the car industry these days. 

    

On Thu, Mar 8, 2018 at 10:01 AM, Robert
<i...@avantwireless.com <mailto:i...@avantwireless.com>>
wrote:

The Tesla is Elon's direct reach into the pockets of the
wealthy to fund his businesses

On 3/8/18 7:38 AM, Jon Lee wrote:

This is more my style :)
http://bollingermotors.com

On Mar 7, 2018 5:16 PM, "Jason McKemie"
<j.mcke...@veloxinetbroadband.com
<mailto:j.mcke...@veloxinetbroadband.com

<mailto:j.mcke...@veloxinetbroadband.com%20%3cmailto:j.mcke...@veloxinetbroadband.com>>>
wrote:

https://www.tesla.com/roadster





__ __

__ __

Re: [AFMUG] AnimalFarm Summer Session

[Robert]

Can I order a 50 Gallon Barrel of that stuff?   I'll pick it up in 
June...Is there any arrangements for truck camping?I'll bring 
the power wagon if there is...


Thanks!

On 3/8/18 1:21 PM, Chuck McCown wrote:

Donation.
Thanks to:
*Robert Andrews *
**
As the first official registrant.
All registrants will receive this special vial of super blessed antenna 
water that will double the throughput of any wifi system!

*From:* Kurt Fankhauser
*Sent:* Thursday, March 08, 2018 1:52 PM
*To:* af@afmug.com
*Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] AnimalFarm Summer Session
How much is cost to attend? Or is it BYOB ?
On Thu, Mar 8, 2018 at 11:32 AM, Cameron Crum <cc...@murcevilo.com> wrote:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JvJN2VPu6no
<https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JvJN2VPu6no>
On Thu, Mar 8, 2018 at 8:14 AM, Chuck McCown <ch...@wbmfg.com> wrote:

Oh and eating mass quantities of smoked dead animals on day 2 as
well.
*From:* Chuck McCown
*Sent:* Thursday, March 08, 2018 7:10 AM
*To:* af@afmug.com
*Subject:* AnimalFarm Summer Session
Second week of June.
Day 1 in a hotel meeting room near SLC Airport.
Day 2 my place about 15 minutes West of the SLC Airport.
Tentative Topics
Fiber topology and system design options
Splicing
Materials
Equipment
System Costs
Horizontal Directional Drilling operation
Vacuum Excavation operation
Vibratory plow
Splicing Trailers
Trenching
Missile/Hole Hawg
Going to try to get Ditch Witch and Vermeer to bring their toys.
But if the don’t want to do that I have my own. 

Re: [AFMUG] It's on

[Robert]

Can I get my name on the list?

On 3/8/18 10:40 AM, Chuck McCown wrote:

You get to present!
*From:* Sterling Jacobson
*Sent:* Thursday, March 08, 2018 11:35 AM
*To:* af@afmug.com
*Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] It's on

That sounds awesome!

I’m marking that on my calendar right now for myself and some of my 
people, lol


*From:* Af  *On Behalf Of *Chuck McCown
*Sent:* Thursday, March 8, 2018 11:29 AM
*To:* af@afmug.com
*Subject:* [AFMUG] It's on

June 12 & 13 AnimalFarm

I even have vendors tracking me down here at WISPAmerica wanting to 
sponsor.


Going to start to put together the agenda.  Very short sessions like always.

Need the crowd to evolve this thing.

Day 1:

Fiber theory, channels, band plan

SFPs

Passive mux

CWDM DWDM

FTTH network topology

GPON

AE

Pros and cons

OSP Network Components

     Costs and Features

Cable

Conduit

Handholes

     Splice Cases

Splitters

Cabinets

     Cross boxes

Electronics

     Powering and cooling

Fiber

Splicing

Connectors

     Engineering considerations

Costs

NOC

     MT FTTH in a box solution

Day 2: Hands On

HDD operations

Vacuum Excavators

Hole Hawg and other missiles

Underground location

Eating mass quantities of dead animals.

Re: [AFMUG] OT: This is pretty slick - that price tag though...

[Robert]

oh yeah, but still gonna be profitable for Elon, specially compared to 
other supercars


On 3/8/18 8:24 AM, Cameron Crum wrote:
No doubt about that. But, considering the specs on this car, it is cheap 
compared to other "super cars" with relatively similar (not much out 
there that can boast these specs) performance specifications. I've never 
been a big Tesla car fan as I don't think the company would have been 
successful on its own, but that is the car industry these days.


On Thu, Mar 8, 2018 at 10:01 AM, Robert <i...@avantwireless.com 
<mailto:i...@avantwireless.com>> wrote:


The Tesla is Elon's direct reach into the pockets of the wealthy to
fund his businesses

On 3/8/18 7:38 AM, Jon Lee wrote:

This is more my style :)
http://bollingermotors.com

On Mar 7, 2018 5:16 PM, "Jason McKemie"
<j.mcke...@veloxinetbroadband.com
<mailto:j.mcke...@veloxinetbroadband.com>
<mailto:j.mcke...@veloxinetbroadband.com
<mailto:j.mcke...@veloxinetbroadband.com>>> wrote:

https://www.tesla.com/roadster

Re: [AFMUG] OT: This is pretty slick - that price tag though...

[Robert]

The Tesla is Elon's direct reach into the pockets of the wealthy to fund 
his businesses


On 3/8/18 7:38 AM, Jon Lee wrote:

This is more my style :)
http://bollingermotors.com

On Mar 7, 2018 5:16 PM, "Jason McKemie" 
> wrote:


https://www.tesla.com/roadster

Re: [AFMUG] AF Summer Session

[Robert]

I suspect that you would get charged more .   and possibly convicted...

On 3/6/18 7:03 PM, Jaime Solorza wrote:

Yikes

Jaime Solorza

On Tue, Mar 6, 2018, 7:51 PM Chuck McCown > wrote:


Could I charge more if I was naked?
*From:* Steve Jones
*Sent:* Tuesday, March 06, 2018 7:38 PM
*To:* af@afmug.com
*Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] AF Summer Session
You should do a ppv skype channel
On Mar 6, 2018 8:35 PM, "Chuck McCown"  wrote:

Ok second weekend it is. Hopefully Vermeer and Ditch Witch will
sponsor.

Sent from my iPhone

On Mar 6, 2018, at 8:24 PM, David M  wrote:


Second Week would be fine with me. I am hoping to take an
early Vacation since the kid is all grown and college has them
preoccupied.


On 3/6/2018 11:55 AM, Chuck McCown wrote:

Pick a date.� I am thinking June.� First to third
week.� Maybe second week since it is already March and I
have not got the date set.� Once we have a date I will shop
venues for the first day.� Second day will be at my shop in
Lake Point I think.�
�
*From:* Dave
*Sent:* Tuesday, March 06, 2018 10:53 AM
*To:* af@afmug.com
*Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] AF Summer Session
�
Im not at wispAmerica, but What do you need to get it going.

Dave


On 03/05/2018 07:24 PM, Chuck McCown wrote:

Stop by our booth at WISPAmerica and help us get the
AnimalFarm Summer 2018 session on the calendar.� I am
thinking the first week in June.


-- 

Re: [AFMUG] FCC Pai proposes $1B for PR / USVItelecomrebuild/expansion

[Robert]

Above ground infrastructure needs to go away...

On 3/6/18 5:35 PM, Steve Jones wrote:
I can drink as well in PR as in illinois, if you need help spending that 
government cheese.


In all seriousness, if i had my druthers, id get elons big tunnel borer 
down there and bore out an infrastructure tunnel the length of the 
island with corridors to primary distribution points. Theres zero reason 
for above ground major infrastructure to be in place.


On Mar 6, 2018 5:46 PM, "Jaime Solorza" > wrote:


While gorro is okay.  Go figure...but Gino says I speak the language
of Juan Diego which is incorrectmy Spanish is more Texican...
Spanglish or MexTex is what others speak...

Jaime Solorza

On Tue, Mar 6, 2018, 3:54 PM Jaime Solorza
> wrote:

Gorra is slang

Jaime Solorza

On Tue, Mar 6, 2018, 3:28 PM Gino A. Villarini
> wrote:

Gorra

From: Af > on behalf of Jaime Solorza
>
Reply-To: "af@afmug.com " >
Date: Tuesday, March 6, 2018 at 5:33 PM
To: "af@afmug.com " >
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] FCC Pai proposes $1B for PR /
USVItelecomrebuild/expansion

Cachucha

Jaime Solorza

On Tue, Mar 6, 2018, 1:38 PM Carl Peterson
> wrote:

Yesterday, I was trying to remember how to say cap, as
in a baseball cap, so I asked my three year old. who is
in a Spanish immersion pre-school.  Without a second of
hesitation, he says "hat-o"...

*//*

*/Gino A. Villarini/*

President
Metro Office Park #18 Suite 304 Guaynabo, Puerto Rico 00968

On Tue, Mar 6, 2018 at 3:27 PM, Chuck McCown
> wrote:

If that doesn’t work just say it again louder.
*From:* Mathew Howard
*Sent:* Tuesday, March 06, 2018 1:22 PM
*To:* af
*Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] FCC Pai proposes $1B for PR /
USVItelecomrebuild/expansion
I found that I could get by just fine in PR with
pointing and grunting...
On Tue, Mar 6, 2018 at 2:18 PM, Jaime Solorza
 wrote:

Ah..entonces hablas la verdad

Jaime Solorza
On Tue, Mar 6, 2018, 1:15 PM Chuck McCown
 wrote:

Si, yo hablo--- como un nino pequeno.
*From:* Jaime Solorza
*Sent:* Tuesday, March 06, 2018 12:52 PM
*To:* Animal Farm
*Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] FCC Pai proposes $1B
for PR / USVI telecomrebuild/expansion
Me too...and since Chuck speaks Spanish, no
need from translator fees..

Jaime Solorza
On Tue, Mar 6, 2018, 12:35 PM Chuck McCown
 wrote:

They should just give it all to you.
If they do, I can help  you spend it...
*From:* Gino A. Villarini
*Sent:* Tuesday, March 06, 2018 12:31 PM
*To:* af@afmug.com
*Subject:* [AFMUG] FCC Pai proposes $1B
for PR / USVI telecom rebuild/expansion
Interesting
#PaiMoney

https://www.reuters.com/article/us-usa-hurricane-communications/fcc-wants-nearly-1-billion-to-revamp-puerto-rico-virgin-islands-communications-networks-idUSKCN1GI2EN?utm_campaign=trueAnthem:+Trending+Content_content=5a9ee78904d30133ffd0af8a_medium=trueAnthem_source=twitter



 

Re: [AFMUG] anyone seen this letter yet

[Robert]

Astonished that you haven't already...   I feel like driving into his 
area and dropping a old bunch of M5's with junk antennas on fences 
pointed at his AP's with ethernet that looks like it's running into some 
random building...   (with the sigh taunting or not?)


On 3/3/18 11:58 AM, ch...@wbmfg.com wrote:

I would taunt him.
*From:* Mike Hammett
*Sent:* Saturday, March 3, 2018 11:33 AM
*To:* af@afmug.com
*Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] anyone seen this letter yet
No, but that's unrelated.

This is the meat of their claim.

As a result, you will be interfering with my client's contracts and the 
business
he expects to realize from those contracts which will result in not only 
damage to his reputation
but financial damages to him and, potentially, emotional suffering to 
his customers.



If my client sustains any damages, we will immediately seek an
injunction to prohibit your interference with my client's valuable 
contract rights and business

expectancy interest.
-

The rest of it, sure, is crap.


-
Mike Hammett
Intelligent Computing Solutions <http://www.ics-il.com/>
<https://www.facebook.com/ICSIL><https://plus.google.com/+IntelligentComputingSolutionsDeKalb><https://www.linkedin.com/company/intelligent-computing-solutions><https://twitter.com/ICSIL>
Midwest Internet Exchange <http://www.midwest-ix.com/>
<https://www.facebook.com/mdwestix><https://www.linkedin.com/company/midwest-internet-exchange><https://twitter.com/mdwestix>
The Brothers WISP <http://www.thebrotherswisp.com/>
<https://www.facebook.com/thebrotherswisp>


<https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCXSdfxQv7SpoRQYNyLwntZg>

*From: *"Jay Weekley" <par...@cyberbroadband.net>
*To: *af@afmug.com
*Sent: *Saturday, March 3, 2018 12:03:39 PM
*Subject: *Re: [AFMUG] anyone seen this letter yet

Do you think they have a right to tell everyone in their coverage area
to stop using certain channels?

Mike Hammett wrote:
 > That's likely unrelated to their claim.
 >
 > This list has a very difficult time identifying what their claim
 > actually is.
 >
 >
 >
 > -
 > Mike Hammett
 > Intelligent Computing Solutions <http://www.ics-il.com/>
 > 
<https://www.facebook.com/ICSIL><https://plus.google.com/+IntelligentComputingSolutionsDeKalb><https://www.linkedin.com/company/intelligent-computing-solutions><https://twitter.com/ICSIL>

 > Midwest Internet Exchange <http://www.midwest-ix.com/>
 > 
<https://www.facebook.com/mdwestix><https://www.linkedin.com/company/midwest-internet-exchange><https://twitter.com/mdwestix>

 > The Brothers WISP <http://www.thebrotherswisp.com/>
 > <https://www.facebook.com/thebrotherswisp>
 >
 >
 > <https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCXSdfxQv7SpoRQYNyLwntZg>
 > 
 > *From: *"Jeremy" <jeremysmi...@gmail.com>
 > *To: *af@afmug.com
 > *Sent: *Saturday, March 3, 2018 11:03:18 AM
 > *Subject: *Re: [AFMUG] anyone seen this letter yet
 >
 > Righhht.  They would have to make this claim against the general
 > public as well.  No court will uphold that the citizens do not have
 > the right to use dual-band routers.  I would definitely have my
 > attorneys send a reply if I received this letter.
 >
 > On Sat, Mar 3, 2018 at 9:20 AM, Steve Jones <thatoneguyst...@gmail.com
 > <mailto:thatoneguyst...@gmail.com>> wrote:
 >
 > They essentially did that. One of rhe many hateful facebook
 > threads was about how they were twlling customers not to use dual
 > band routers and only ever use 2.4 routers
 >
 > On Mar 2, 2018 4:55 PM, "Robert Andrews" <i...@avantwireless.com
 > <mailto:i...@avantwireless.com>> wrote:
 >
 > They better start sending those letters to residential 5 GHz
 > transmitters and business transmitters too...  I mean Omni's
 > potentially only a 100 feet away from a CPE!!!
 >
 > On 03/02/2018 10:47 AM, Mike Hammett wrote:
 >
 > I think the key here is that Airebeam isn't making any
 > technical claims. Nothing about the FCC or Part 15.
 > They're making a contract interference case.
 >
 > The use of part-15 *may* be irrelevant in this claim.
 >
 >
 >
 > -
 > Mike Hammett
 > Intelligent Computing Solutions <http://www.ics-il.com/>
 > 
<https://www.facebook.com/ICSIL><https://plus.google.com/+IntelligentComputingSolutionsDeKalb><https://www.linkedin.com/company/intelligent-computing-solutions><https://twitter.com/ICSIL>

 > Midwest Internet Exchange <http://www.midwest-ix.com/>
 > 
<https://www.facebook.com/mdw

Re: [AFMUG] anyone seen this letter yet

[Robert Andrews]

Are they sending legal papers to the _neighbors_ of their customers? 
Or to Comcast for their open 5.8 transmitters on the cable feeds?


Boy what a rats nest they are trying to open.  I'll bet the Comcast 
lawyers posted it on their billboard and either laughed or said "maybe 
we should try this"...


On 03/03/2018 08:20 AM, Steve Jones wrote:
They essentially did that. One of rhe many hateful facebook threads was 
about how they were twlling customers not to use dual band routers and 
only ever use 2.4 routers


On Mar 2, 2018 4:55 PM, "Robert Andrews" <i...@avantwireless.com 
<mailto:i...@avantwireless.com>> wrote:


They better start sending those letters to residential 5 GHz
transmitters and business transmitters too...   I mean Omni's
potentially only a 100 feet away from a CPE!!!

On 03/02/2018 10:47 AM, Mike Hammett wrote:

I think the key here is that Airebeam isn't making any technical
claims. Nothing about the FCC or Part 15. They're making a
contract interference case.

The use of part-15 *may* be irrelevant in this claim.



-
Mike Hammett
Intelligent Computing Solutions <http://www.ics-il.com/>
<https://www.facebook.com/ICSIL

<https://www.facebook.com/ICSIL>><https://plus.google.com/+IntelligentComputingSolutionsDeKalb

<https://plus.google.com/+IntelligentComputingSolutionsDeKalb>><https://www.linkedin.com/company/intelligent-computing-solutions

<https://www.linkedin.com/company/intelligent-computing-solutions>><https://twitter.com/ICSIL
<https://twitter.com/ICSIL>>
Midwest Internet Exchange <http://www.midwest-ix.com/>
<https://www.facebook.com/mdwestix

<https://www.facebook.com/mdwestix>><https://www.linkedin.com/company/midwest-internet-exchange

<https://www.linkedin.com/company/midwest-internet-exchange>><https://twitter.com/mdwestix
<https://twitter.com/mdwestix>>
The Brothers WISP <http://www.thebrotherswisp.com/
<http://www.thebrotherswisp.com/>>
<https://www.facebook.com/thebrotherswisp
<https://www.facebook.com/thebrotherswisp>>


<https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCXSdfxQv7SpoRQYNyLwntZg
<https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCXSdfxQv7SpoRQYNyLwntZg>>

*From: *"Rory Conaway" <r...@triadwireless.net
<mailto:r...@triadwireless.net>>
*To: *af@afmug.com <mailto:af@afmug.com>
*Sent: *Wednesday, February 28, 2018 9:39:23 PM
*Subject: *[AFMUG] anyone seen this letter yet

Two guys in Arizona got them but my guess is these people are
just fishing.  I’ve got my attorneys looking it over and I’m
going to make an inquiry to the Attorney General’s office tomorrow.

*Rory Conaway **• Triad Wireless •**CEO*

*4226 S. 37^th Street • Phoenix • AZ 85040*

*602-426-0542 *

*r...@triadwireless.net <mailto:r...@triadwireless.net>
<mailto:r...@triadwireless.net <mailto:r...@triadwireless.net>>*

*www.triadwireless.net <http://www.triadwireless.net>
<http://www.triadwireless.net/>*

**

/“Yesterdays Home Runs don’t win todays games!”/

Re: [AFMUG] anyone seen this letter yet

[Robert Andrews]

They better start sending those letters to residential 5 GHz 
transmitters and business transmitters too...   I mean Omni's 
potentially only a 100 feet away from a CPE!!!


On 03/02/2018 10:47 AM, Mike Hammett wrote:
I think the key here is that Airebeam isn't making any technical claims. 
Nothing about the FCC or Part 15. They're making a contract interference 
case.


The use of part-15 *may* be irrelevant in this claim.



-
Mike Hammett
Intelligent Computing Solutions 

Midwest Internet Exchange 

The Brothers WISP 





*From: *"Rory Conaway" 
*To: *af@afmug.com
*Sent: *Wednesday, February 28, 2018 9:39:23 PM
*Subject: *[AFMUG] anyone seen this letter yet

Two guys in Arizona got them but my guess is these people are just 
fishing.  I’ve got my attorneys looking it over and I’m going to make an 
inquiry to the Attorney General’s office tomorrow.


*Rory Conaway **• Triad Wireless •**CEO*

*4226 S. 37^th Street • Phoenix • AZ 85040*

*602-426-0542*

*r...@triadwireless.net *

*www.triadwireless.net *

**

/“Yesterdays Home Runs don’t win todays games!”/

Re: [AFMUG] Occam\Calix

[Robert Haas]

CMS replaces Occamview. I know we had an issue with some of the older ONT’s but 
once that was sorted out we turned down Occamview

 

From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Mike Hammett
Sent: Friday, March 02, 2018 12:32 PM
To: af@afmug.com
Subject: [AFMUG] Occam\Calix

 

Has OccamView been integrated into Calix Management System yet?



-
Mike Hammett
  Intelligent Computing Solutions
   
  
  
 
  Midwest Internet Exchange
   
  
 
  The Brothers WISP
   
 

Re: [AFMUG] anyone seen this letter yet

[Robert Andrews]

I'd like to see the vendors decide that it's not in their interest to 
continue to do business with them due to the possible liabilities...


On 03/01/2018 09:47 AM, Bill Prince wrote:

Down south they call it "All hat, and no cattle."


bp


On 3/1/2018 8:51 AM, Mathew Howard wrote:
Yeah, it would be nice to see a ruling to stop this from happening 
again in the future... but my guess is that it's really just an empty 
threat, and he has no intention of actually suing anybody.


On Thu, Mar 1, 2018 at 10:27 AM, Steve Jones 
> wrote:


I think this is worth pushing to the nth. I like caselaw, fresh
caselaw that stiffens historic caselaw. I would really like to see
at the end of the day, the letter recipients divvying up airebeams
assets with some sanctions against the attorneys office. We should
do a gofundme in the industry for the recipients to afford the
litigation, no settlement, no dismissal, make it get to a ruling.

where johnny Cochran

On Thu, Mar 1, 2018 at 10:13 AM, Mathew Howard
> wrote:

I wonder how often this kind of thing works to just scare
people off though... I assume they'd eventually lose an actual
lawsuit, but even if the new guys know that, there's a good
chance that they're not going to want to go through the whole
mess of getting sued, and just try to keep out of their way.

Personally, I think asking nicely to try to avoid interfering
with the stuff you have up would be a lot more effective...

On Thu, Mar 1, 2018 at 9:48 AM, > wrote:

Any local judge would be preempted by FCC.
*From:* Steve Jones
*Sent:* Thursday, March 1, 2018 7:20 AM
*To:* af@afmug.com
*Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] anyone seen this letter yet
Yeah, that letter isnt about fcc stuff, its about
willfully impeding and incumbants operations. This fcc
talk os what theyre probably expecting the people to focus
on, but thats not their target. This could be interesting
to see play out, hopefully it does end up in court just to
get fresh caselaw. The new operators in the area may
suffer a bit if injunctions are in play, but if they
weather it, theyll win, probably get some time and trouble
dough in their pockets too.
On Mar 1, 2018 7:42 AM, "Chris Fabien"
 wrote:

They can't stop you, but they can sue you! Can sue
anybody for anything in this country right?
In reality, I think the real answer is, the FCC rules
on unlicensed freqs and how a judge might interpret a
case for damages due to lost business due to provable
radio interference, may be two totally different
situations.
On Thu, Mar 1, 2018 at 8:13 AM, Jaime Solorza
 wrote:

Send them the Part 15 rules...they can't stop you.

Jaime Solorza
On Feb 28, 2018 9:26 PM, "Rory Conaway"
 wrote:

We cover one of the areas with Airebeam and we
can’t install over their old customers fast
enough.  Ken is backed up at least 3 times
what we are backed up.

Rory

*From:*Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] *On
Behalf Of *Steve Jones
*Sent:* Wednesday, February 28, 2018 9:12 PM
*To:* af@afmug.com
*Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] anyone seen this letter yet

all you need to know about this outfit

" Today is a Great Day!  I cancelled my
Airebeam account and switched to another
company. This company has the worst customer
service. They also have horrible internet
service. They are very unresponsive when there
is an issue. (and if they did respond, they
always blamed the router.) In my opinion, Greg
does not take the responsibility of owning a
business and providing quality seriously.
Follow up note:
When Steven (installer) contacted me to pick
up equipment, he stated equipment that wasn't
even theirs. He then proceeded to yell at me.
I explained to him 

Re: [AFMUG] anyone seen this letter yet

[Robert]

I must have stayed at a Holiday Inn last night but isn't this a form of:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tortious_interference

On 2/28/18 8:22 PM, Steve Jones wrote:
All fun and games til the litigation specialists attorney files an 
injunction and some judge thinks this will get his name in the net 
neutrality game as a helper of people halts the target ISP operations


On Wed, Feb 28, 2018 at 10:08 PM, Darin Steffl > wrote:


We all know 5ghz is unlicensed and there's nothing they can do about it.

Ignore the letter and deploy where you want. Just don't purposefully
go on the same channel they're on when you can scan and pick a clean
channel if available.

The letter is a scare tactic and nothing more.

On Feb 28, 2018 9:39 PM, "Rory Conaway" > wrote:

__ __

__ __

Two guys in Arizona got them but my guess is these people are
just fishing.  I’ve got my attorneys looking it over and I’m
going to make an inquiry to the Attorney General’s office
tomorrow.

__ __

*Rory Conaway **• Triad Wireless •**CEO*

*4226 S. 37
^th
Street • Phoenix • AZ 85040*

*602-426-0542 *

*r...@triadwireless.net *

*www.triadwireless.net *

*__ __*

/“Yesterdays Home Runs don’t win todays games!”/

__ __

Re: [AFMUG] OT VPN over PPPOE

[Robert Andrews]

I am just giving them enough credit to blame someone else...   And 
enough fault that if it's provable that a simple setting change would 
fix it, then they shouldn't get paid...  Which is pretty much all the 
time when it comes to Geek squad...   I wouldn't let them set up a pair 
of speakers...   & why I know Chuck had nothing for liability for them 
not fixing it.


On 02/28/2018 09:16 AM, Jason McKemie wrote:
Geek squad figure that out with settings? I think you're giving them too 
much credit...


On Wednesday, February 28, 2018, Robert <i...@avantwireless.com 
<mailto:i...@avantwireless.com>> wrote:


I would let the customer know that in order to determine if he
should be paid by you for the Geek service call that he needs to let
you do a test to see if it is the MTU settings in the VPN and PPOE. 
  If it turns out that it is fixable via settings in the VPN

software, then the customer should tell the Geek squad that they
should not charge and it's not your problem.  Geek squad should have
figured it out with settings.   Then if it's not that pay for Geek
squad.   You get to learn something for your expense.   But be sure
and specify that this is a one time deal...

Robert

On 2/28/18 8:42 AM, Carl Peterson wrote:

Was it working, then something changed and it stopped working.

or

Was it never working.

If the latter I'd say not a chance of reimbursement.  They
should be super happy that their provider came up with a
solution for them that fast to work around what is most likely
their faulty VPN setup.



On Wed, Feb 28, 2018 at 11:17 AM, Paul Stewart
<p...@paulstewart.org <mailto:p...@paulstewart.org>
<mailto:p...@paulstewart.org <mailto:p...@paulstewart.org>>> wrote:

 Unless you specifically recommended he contact Geek Squad
then I’d
 suggest you are not morally responsible…. Just my two cents
worth… 

 __ __

 *From: *Af <af-boun...@afmug.com
<mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com> <mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com
<mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com>>> on
 behalf of <ch...@wbmfg.com <mailto:ch...@wbmfg.com>
<mailto:ch...@wbmfg.com <mailto:ch...@wbmfg.com>>>
 *Reply-To: *<af@afmug.com <mailto:af@afmug.com>
<mailto:af@afmug.com <mailto:af@afmug.com>>>
 *Date: *Wednesday, February 28, 2018 at 11:02 AM


 *To: *<af@afmug.com <mailto:af@afmug.com>
<mailto:af@afmug.com <mailto:af@afmug.com>>>
 *Subject: *Re: [AFMUG] OT VPN over PPPOE

 __ __

 We are not sure as we don’t want to experiment on him now. 

 

 Just trying to determine if we feel we have a moral duty to
 reimburse him for his geek squad expenses. 

 If his VPN is not robust enough for PPPOE, I don’t feel much
 compulsion.

 But if this is common problem and we should have known it,
then that
 is a different kettle of kittens. 

 

 *From:*Donnie McCorkle 

 *Sent:*Wednesday, February 28, 2018 8:12 AM

 *To:*af@afmug.com <mailto:af@afmug.com>
<mailto:af@afmug.com <mailto:af@afmug.com>> 

 *Subject:*Re: [AFMUG] OT VPN over PPPOE

 

 Was his MTU a factor?  He would manually have to set it on the
 router behind the PPPoE connection.

 The limitation would have evaporated when converted to
DHCP.

 

 

 *From:*Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com
<mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com>
 <mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com
<mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com>>] *On Behalf Of *Jaime Solorza
 *Sent:* Tuesday, February 27, 2018 8:44 PM
 *To:* Animal Farm <af@afmug.com <mailto:af@afmug.com>
<mailto:af@afmug.com <mailto:af@afmug.com>>>
 *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] OT VPN over PPPOE

 

 Yeah Chuck, we went back and forth with Time Warner getting
them to
 open ports on router for cameras...upgraded NVR and used vendor
 platform access to finally give manager remote access and
monitoring
 to camp cameras. 

 Jaime Solorza

 

 On Feb 27, 2018 7:31 PM, "Lewis Bergman"
<lewis.berg...@gmail.com <mailto:lewis.berg...@gmail.com>
 <mailto:lewis.berg...@gmail.com
<mailto:lewis.berg...@gmail.com>>> wrote:

 I

Re: [AFMUG] OT VPN over PPPOE

[Robert]

I would let the customer know that in order to determine if he should be 
paid by you for the Geek service call that he needs to let you do a test 
to see if it is the MTU settings in the VPN and PPOE.   If it turns out 
that it is fixable via settings in the VPN software, then the customer 
should tell the Geek squad that they should not charge and it's not your 
problem.  Geek squad should have figured it out with settings.   Then if 
it's not that pay for Geek squad.   You get to learn something for your 
expense.   But be sure and specify that this is a one time deal...


Robert

On 2/28/18 8:42 AM, Carl Peterson wrote:

Was it working, then something changed and it stopped working.

or

Was it never working.

If the latter I'd say not a chance of reimbursement.  They should be 
super happy that their provider came up with a solution for them that 
fast to work around what is most likely their faulty VPN setup.




On Wed, Feb 28, 2018 at 11:17 AM, Paul Stewart <p...@paulstewart.org 
<mailto:p...@paulstewart.org>> wrote:


Unless you specifically recommended he contact Geek Squad then I’d
suggest you are not morally responsible…. Just my two cents worth… 

__ __

*From: *Af <af-boun...@afmug.com <mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com>> on
behalf of <ch...@wbmfg.com <mailto:ch...@wbmfg.com>>
*Reply-To: *<af@afmug.com <mailto:af@afmug.com>>
*Date: *Wednesday, February 28, 2018 at 11:02 AM


*To: *<af@afmug.com <mailto:af@afmug.com>>
*Subject: *Re: [AFMUG] OT VPN over PPPOE

__ __

We are not sure as we don’t want to experiment on him now. 



Just trying to determine if we feel we have a moral duty to
reimburse him for his geek squad expenses. 

If his VPN is not robust enough for PPPOE, I don’t feel much
compulsion.

But if this is common problem and we should have known it, then that
is a different kettle of kittens. 



*From:*Donnie McCorkle 

*Sent:*Wednesday, February 28, 2018 8:12 AM

*To:*af@afmug.com <mailto:af@afmug.com> 

*Subject:*Re: [AFMUG] OT VPN over PPPOE



Was his MTU a factor?  He would manually have to set it on the
router behind the PPPoE connection.

The limitation would have evaporated when converted to DHCP.





*From:*Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com
<mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com>] *On Behalf Of *Jaime Solorza
*Sent:* Tuesday, February 27, 2018 8:44 PM
*To:* Animal Farm <af@afmug.com <mailto:af@afmug.com>>
*Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] OT VPN over PPPOE



Yeah Chuck, we went back and forth with Time Warner getting them to
open ports on router for cameras...upgraded NVR and used vendor
platform access to finally give manager remote access and monitoring
to camp cameras. 

Jaime Solorza



On Feb 27, 2018 7:31 PM, "Lewis Bergman" <lewis.berg...@gmail.com
<mailto:lewis.berg...@gmail.com>> wrote:

I think I would tell him to did off. Try getting a credit from
quest, att, Verizon, etc. Of course I have had some drinks

On Mon, Feb 26, 2018, 4:06 PM Chuck McCown <ch...@wbmfg.com
<mailto:ch...@wbmfg.com>> wrote:

Had a customer that works from home.  Could not make his VPN
work. 

We thought perhaps it was a port issue.  Opened the ports on
the Smart RG.  No good.



He spend $150 over the weekend on a geek squad type of
service and they pointed their finger at us. 



So, just because we haven’t tried it, we switched him to
DHCP and it started working.

We are in the process of converting everyone to DHCP.



He wants a credit in the amount of the money he paid the
geek squad. 



Wonder if it was truly our fault.  Still don’t know why it
started working or what the problem was. 





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Re: [AFMUG] The Moon is getting a 4G network next year

[Robert Andrews]

They found out most of the moon has water, Hwy 62 does not...  JK...

On 02/27/2018 05:31 PM, Jaime Solorza wrote:
Ha..no cell coverage on most of highway 62 between El Paso,Tx. and 
Carlsbad,NM but moon to have 4G?



https://news.google.com/news/amp?caurl=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.zdnet.com%2Farticle%2Fthe-moon-is-getting-a-4g-network-next-year%2F#pt0-66460
Jaime Solorza

Re: [AFMUG] Level 3 railroad duct

[Robert]

I was number 8 at L3, unfortunately the last of the upper level friends 
I have over there left with change in control  #silverparachute   But 
I'll reach out...


On 2/26/18 7:22 AM, Chuck McCown wrote:

About 20 years ago, Level 3 buried 13 ducts along the UPRR here in Utah.
I made an inquiry once or twice over the years for access.� The IRU was 
more money than it would take to build it myself.
I wonder if that has changed?� Anyone have any luck in using any of 
their ducts?� How about getting service at any of their regen sites? 
Anyone have any contact info?

What I really need is empty duct.

Re: [AFMUG] OT Raspberry PI

[Robert]

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/ECos

On 2/22/18 5:52 PM, Chuck McCown wrote:

That looks great.  Did not find a cost anywhere.
*From:* Bill Prince
*Sent:* Thursday, February 22, 2018 6:47 PM
*To:* Motorola III
*Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] OT Raspberry PI
Try this: http://www.ecoscentric.com/news/press-170314.shtml

--bp
--
bp
part15sbs{at}gmail{dot}com
On Thu, Feb 22, 2018 at 3:56 PM, Bill Prince  wrote:

Pretty sure you need  RTOS to accomplish this.That will get pretty
close to bare metal.

-bp
--
bp
part15sbs{at}gmail{dot}com
On Thu, Feb 22, 2018 at 3:36 PM,  wrote:

Had the command syntax wrong.
But got nice to work.  Have to sudo if you use negative nice
numbers.
It made zero difference in my jitter.  I went from 19 to –20 on
nice and no change.
*From:* ch...@wbmfg.com
*Sent:* Thursday, February 22, 2018 4:29 PM
*To:* af@afmug.com
*Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] OT Raspberry PI
The problem is there is a crap ton of stuff out there that needs
network sync.  And it all has a T1 as an input.
But most T1 trunking circuits are getting replaced with SIP.
So, I am building a cheap and dirty T1 signal generator that is
GPS and rhubidium referenced.  The hard part is easy.  The easy
part should be easy but all the T1 framing chips that used to
exist no longer exist.
The ones that are out there have massive CPU interfaces and tons
of registers that need to get set to get them fired up and
running
Where is Exar when you need them
*From:* Adam Moffett
*Sent:* Thursday, February 22, 2018 4:21 PM
*To:* af@afmug.com
*Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] OT Raspberry PI
Tell whoever's got the T1 that 1967 is way behind us and get a
new interface.
Problem eliminated LOL
-- Original Message --
From: ch...@wbmfg.com
To: af@afmug.com
Sent: 2/22/2018 6:16:45 PM
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT Raspberry PI

I have to generate an alternate mark inversion signal on 1.544
MHz with every 193rd bit following a t1 framing sequence.
Sure wish a 555 could do that.
*From:* Dave
*Sent:* Thursday, February 22, 2018 4:10 PM
*To:* af@afmug.com
*Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] OT Raspberry PI
Find a 555 timer ... I used many in the olden day when
radioshacks were king LOL!


On 02/22/2018 05:05 PM, ch...@wbmfg.com wrote:

I am thinking of using some shift registers instead of using
the PI output directly as the timing signal.
Use the PI to load them.
I love me some hardware design anyhow
*From:* Colin Stanners
*Sent:* Thursday, February 22, 2018 3:59 PM
*To:* af@afmug.com
*Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] OT Raspberry PI
Other than setting the process priority, you may need a
custom kernel. See

https://medium.com/@metebalci/latency-of-raspberry-pi-3-on-standard-and-real-time-linux-4-9-kernel-2d9c20704495



On Feb 22, 2018 4:48 PM,  wrote:

Anyone know how to get my program to run on bare metal?
Or at the very least tell Linux that my program is the
most important thing in the world and service it above
all other things.
I am trying to create a timing signal with the Pi.  It is
doing it but the jitter is pretty bad.
I have researched trying to use an interrupt but there is
a pretty low limit on how many times per second you can
fire a hardware interrupt.
Too low for my application. 


-- 

Re: [AFMUG] OT Raspberry PI

[Robert]

I believe this was a major part of the improvements in android

On 2/22/18 3:58 PM, Bill Prince wrote:
Pretty sure you need  RTOS to accomplish this.That will get pretty close 
to bare metal.


-bp

--
bp
part15sbs{at}gmail{dot}com

On Thu, Feb 22, 2018 at 3:36 PM, > wrote:


Had the command syntax wrong.
But got nice to work.  Have to sudo if you use negative nice numbers.
It made zero difference in my jitter.  I went from 19 to –20 on nice
and no change.
*From:* ch...@wbmfg.com
*Sent:* Thursday, February 22, 2018 4:29 PM
*To:* af@afmug.com
*Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] OT Raspberry PI
The problem is there is a crap ton of stuff out there that needs
network sync.  And it all has a T1 as an input.
But most T1 trunking circuits are getting replaced with SIP.
So, I am building a cheap and dirty T1 signal generator that is GPS
and rhubidium referenced.  The hard part is easy.  The easy part
should be easy but all the T1 framing chips that used to exist no
longer exist.
The ones that are out there have massive CPU interfaces and tons of
registers that need to get set to get them fired up and running
Where is Exar when you need them
*From:* Adam Moffett
*Sent:* Thursday, February 22, 2018 4:21 PM
*To:* af@afmug.com
*Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] OT Raspberry PI
Tell whoever's got the T1 that 1967 is way behind us and get a new
interface.
Problem eliminated LOL
-- Original Message --
From: ch...@wbmfg.com
To: af@afmug.com
Sent: 2/22/2018 6:16:45 PM
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT Raspberry PI

I have to generate an alternate mark inversion signal on 1.544 MHz
with every 193rd bit following a t1 framing sequence.
Sure wish a 555 could do that.
*From:* Dave
*Sent:* Thursday, February 22, 2018 4:10 PM
*To:* af@afmug.com
*Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] OT Raspberry PI
Find a 555 timer ... I used many in the olden day when radioshacks
were king LOL!


On 02/22/2018 05:05 PM, ch...@wbmfg.com wrote:

I am thinking of using some shift registers instead of using the
PI output directly as the timing signal.
Use the PI to load them.
I love me some hardware design anyhow
*From:* Colin Stanners
*Sent:* Thursday, February 22, 2018 3:59 PM
*To:* af@afmug.com
*Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] OT Raspberry PI
Other than setting the process priority, you may need a custom
kernel. See

https://medium.com/@metebalci/latency-of-raspberry-pi-3-on-standard-and-real-time-linux-4-9-kernel-2d9c20704495



On Feb 22, 2018 4:48 PM,  wrote:

Anyone know how to get my program to run on bare metal?
Or at the very least tell Linux that my program is the most
important thing in the world and service it above all other
things.
I am trying to create a timing signal with the Pi.  It is
doing it but the jitter is pretty bad.
I have researched trying to use an interrupt but there is a
pretty low limit on how many times per second you can fire a
hardware interrupt.
Too low for my application. 


-- 

Re: [AFMUG] Cambium repair times?

[Robert Andrews]

Cause he's gotta be part man-in-the-moon

On 02/20/2018 02:02 PM, ch...@wbmfg.com wrote:
Steve used to be named Tony Clifton until he went into the witness 
protection program.

*From:* Forrest Christian (List Account)
*Sent:* Tuesday, February 20, 2018 2:22 PM
*To:* af
*Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Cambium repair times?
It's going too be entertaining  when we figure out that Steve is Chuck's 
second personality.  After all we've never met Steve... and now this 
revelation about the meds.

On Feb 20, 2018 2:06 PM,  wrote:

Ya gots to ask yerself:  “self, think Chuck took his meds today”?
*From:* Colin Stanners
*Sent:* Tuesday, February 20, 2018 1:58 PM
*To:* af@afmug.com
*Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Cambium repair times?
Chuck, I seriously can't tell if you're serious or not.
On Tue, Feb 20, 2018 at 2:54 PM,  wrote:

They outsourced all repair work to Trango.

-Original Message- From: Seth Mattinen Sent: Tuesday,
February 20, 2018 1:42 PM To: af@afmug.com Subject: [AFMUG]
Cambium repair times?
How long does it usually take Cambium to repair something? I
have an 820S that failed under warranty waiting at their repair
facility since December 8th with no progress since then other
than it was received. I've never had anything repaired by them
before.

~Seth

Re: [AFMUG] its here, Ignitenet 60ghz trisector

[Robert Andrews]

50 feet... :)

On 02/20/2018 09:59 AM, Jason McKemie wrote:

Yikes. What is the range on the 60GHz @ 120 degrees?

On Tuesday, February 20, 2018, Bill Prince > wrote:


3 * 120° at 60 GHz

1 360°  at 5 GHz

1 360° at 2.4 GHz


bp


On 2/20/2018 9:13 AM, Jason McKemie wrote:

What's the beamwidth on this?

Re: [AFMUG] Siklu Announces New 10 Gigabit

[Robert]

Exactly what I was wondering too.  Talk about vague...

On 2/20/18 7:38 AM, ch...@wbmfg.com wrote:

I wonder what the real world distance usability is for this.

Re: [AFMUG] To good to be true... it was...

[Robert]

Never happened..  set it up in windows, view it in linux...

On 2/18/18 7:30 PM, Edward H. Winters wrote:

from the amazon page for your camera.
Use computer for initial setup, and then remotely view the camera 
using Smartphone (android & iOS: XMEye, IP Cam Viewer & Tiny Cam Pro); 
Email Motion Detection Snapshot Alert


This page at that ip is branded XMEye, looks like someone signed it up 
for some sort of cloud service.

http://112.124.0.188/index

On 02/18/2018 09:12 AM, Robert wrote:
Could be phoning home, but now I've got s/w trying to phone into my 
DNS servers...


On 2/18/18 8:04 AM, Chuck McCown wrote:

You sure it is not just the camera phoning home for a software update?

-Original Message- From: Robert
Sent: Sunday, February 18, 2018 8:43 AM
To: af@afmug.com
Subject: [AFMUG] To good to be true... it was...

Frick'n peoples republic.   So I bought a couple of those $300 PTZ
cameras.   & my monitoring system saw some attempts to intrude from
inside my network.   So I am now on the alert and when the cameras 
start

up I see some traffic when there shouldn't be.   It's the cameras
reaching out from the 10 net...   To this address

Now I have to consider part of my core compromised...

whois 112.124.0.188

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Re: [AFMUG] Pledge drive

[Robert Andrews]

Seems like this same conversation came up last year.   Folks, if you 
don't want to pay, propose doing the work.   Seems like it's well worth 
100 bucks for the enjoyment I get out of it.  I pay way more than that 
for things way less enjoyable, but necessary to keep peace at home...


On 02/18/2018 11:30 AM, Matt Hoppes wrote:

Then is a pledge drive needed?

Blacklists are the recipients problems. Not the mailing list owners 
problem - as long as nothing shady is going on.


On Feb 18, 2018, at 14:15, Mike Hammett > wrote:


Those that run the list are happy to pay for not dealing with 
blacklists, etc. whatever SES provides.




-
Mike Hammett
Intelligent Computing Solutions 

Midwest Internet Exchange 

The Brothers WISP 





*From: *"Matt Hoppes" >

*To: *af@afmug.com 
*Sent: *Sunday, February 18, 2018 1:12:56 PM
*Subject: *Re: [AFMUG] Pledge drive

What is SES?  Amazon?

That seems overkill for a mailing list.

On Feb 18, 2018, at 14:09, Mike Hammett > wrote:


SES



-
Mike Hammett
Intelligent Computing Solutions 


Midwest Internet Exchange 


The Brothers WISP 





*From: *"Matt Hoppes" >
*To: *af@afmug.com 
*Sent: *Sunday, February 18, 2018 1:05:36 PM
*Subject: *Re: [AFMUG] Pledge drive

Support of what???

What the heck costs that much?

Mailman takes all of 10 minutes to install and just lives after that.

On Feb 18, 2018, at 13:52, Ryan Ray > wrote:


Last time this was brought up the cost was $3000 for the year
including support, $1800 not including support.

On Sun, Feb 18, 2018 at 10:41 AM, Matt Hoppes
> wrote:

Can it really be more than $5

How much memory, CPU, and storage can a mailing list take
when virtualized?

On Feb 18, 2018, at 13:20, Keefe John
> wrote:

Just curious, what are the monthly costs to operate
this list?

On February 18, 2018 11:13:54 AM CST, Chuck McCown
> wrote:

I notice it has been a while since we pushed a bit to help 
fund the
not-insignificant AWS expense that keeps this list alive.

Please clean out your couch cushions and paypal the revenue 
created to
pa...@pdmnet.net 

Paul, what is the current status of our deficit?




-- 
Sent from my Android device with K-9 Mail. Please

excuse my brevity.

Re: [AFMUG] To good to be true... it was...

[Robert Andrews]

When it comes to my "red" network, yeah, I'm paranoid...   Two firewalls 
and now a forever sniffer...   Stuff like Nests and others that have 
back doors go between the firewalls...


On 02/18/2018 11:20 AM, TJ Trout wrote:

You sound like a paranoid flat earther :)

On Sun, Feb 18, 2018 at 8:12 AM, Robert <i...@avantwireless.com 
<mailto:i...@avantwireless.com>> wrote:


Could be phoning home, but now I've got s/w trying to phone into my
DNS servers...

On 2/18/18 8:04 AM, Chuck McCown wrote:

You sure it is not just the camera phoning home for a software
update?

-Original Message- From: Robert
Sent: Sunday, February 18, 2018 8:43 AM
To: af@afmug.com <mailto:af@afmug.com>
Subject: [AFMUG] To good to be true... it was...

Frick'n peoples republic.   So I bought a couple of those $300 PTZ
cameras.   & my monitoring system saw some attempts to intrude from
inside my network.   So I am now on the alert and when the
cameras start
up I see some traffic when there shouldn't be.   It's the cameras
reaching out from the 10 net...   To this address

Now I have to consider part of my core compromised...

whois 112.124.0.188

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Re: [AFMUG] Pledge drive

[Robert Andrews]

100 less than it was

On 02/18/2018 09:13 AM, Chuck McCown wrote:
I notice it has been a while since we pushed a bit to help fund the 
not-insignificant AWS expense that keeps this list alive.


Please clean out your couch cushions and paypal the revenue created to 
pa...@pdmnet.net


Paul, what is the current status of our deficit?

Re: [AFMUG] To good to be true... it was..

[Robert]

https://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B01HTYW2Q4/ref=oh_aui_detailpage_o09_s00?ie=UTF8=1

On 2/18/18 8:23 AM, Lewis Bergman wrote:

It would be more useful to know what brand and source you bought from.

On Sun, Feb 18, 2018, 10:12 AM Robert <i...@avantwireless.com 
<mailto:i...@avantwireless.com>> wrote:


Could be phoning home, but now I've got s/w trying to phone into my DNS
servers...

On 2/18/18 8:04 AM, Chuck McCown wrote:
 > You sure it is not just the camera phoning home for a software
update?
 >
 > -Original Message- From: Robert
 > Sent: Sunday, February 18, 2018 8:43 AM
 > To: af@afmug.com <mailto:af@afmug.com>
 > Subject: [AFMUG] To good to be true... it was...
 >
 > Frick'n peoples republic.   So I bought a couple of those $300 PTZ
 > cameras.   & my monitoring system saw some attempts to intrude from
 > inside my network.   So I am now on the alert and when the
cameras start
 > up I see some traffic when there shouldn't be.   It's the cameras
 > reaching out from the 10 net...   To this address
 >
 > Now I have to consider part of my core compromised...
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Re: [AFMUG] To good to be true... it was...

[Robert]

Could be phoning home, but now I've got s/w trying to phone into my DNS 
servers...


On 2/18/18 8:04 AM, Chuck McCown wrote:

You sure it is not just the camera phoning home for a software update?

-Original Message- From: Robert
Sent: Sunday, February 18, 2018 8:43 AM
To: af@afmug.com
Subject: [AFMUG] To good to be true... it was...

Frick'n peoples republic.   So I bought a couple of those $300 PTZ
cameras.   & my monitoring system saw some attempts to intrude from
inside my network.   So I am now on the alert and when the cameras start
up I see some traffic when there shouldn't be.   It's the cameras
reaching out from the 10 net...   To this address

Now I have to consider part of my core compromised...

whois 112.124.0.188

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[AFMUG] To good to be true... it was...

[Robert]

Frick'n peoples republic.   So I bought a couple of those $300 PTZ 
cameras.   & my monitoring system saw some attempts to intrude from 
inside my network.   So I am now on the alert and when the cameras start 
up I see some traffic when there shouldn't be.   It's the cameras 
reaching out from the 10 net...   To this address


Now I have to consider part of my core compromised...

whois 112.124.0.188

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Re: [AFMUG] Spam from Chuck

[Robert Andrews]

  for all of eternity.  They rate the quality 
of lists
> for how many bounces, unsubscribes etc.  I 
have a
> pretty good rating with them.
>
> The alternative is going back to the Friday 
spam and
> swap fest.
>
> BTW, my distributors have spam rights too.  
But only
> on Friday morning.
>
> I prefer the list to be free from spam like 
it is now
> compared to before.
>
> -Original Message- From: Robert 
Andrews
> Sent: Tuesday, February 13, 2018 12:14 PM
> To: af@afmug.com <mailto:af@afmug.com>
> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Spam from Chuck
>
>
> I hope that was someone being humorous... 
Otherwise...
> #OFFWITHTHEIRHEAD ...   Come on, Chuck's 
products are
> about the most
> worthy of any vendor I know.   And POE 
fuses... It's
> a fricken godsend!!!
>
> BTW I need to by a bunch and wish I could buy 
the
> little racks with
> them..   Oh well, amazon...
>
>
> Robert
>
> On 02/13/2018 11:05 AM, ch...@wbmfg.com
<mailto:ch...@wbmfg.com> wrote:
>
> I merge my AnimalFarm email list with my 
MailChimp
> list about once a year.
>
> You do realize that this list is my list, 
right?
>
> So essentially every time I make a 
posting here I
> am spamming you, right?
>
> I used to do it every Friday right here 
on this list.
> But I think it is cleaner and better 
quality to
> use MailChimp.
>
> Did you unsubscribe from the Mail Chimp? 
That
> will prevent it from ever happening again.
>
> -Original Message- From: 
fiber...@mail.com
<mailto:fiber...@mail.com>
> Sent: Tuesday, February 13, 2018 11:58 AM
> To: af@afmug.com <mailto:af@afmug.com>
> Subject: [AFMUG] Spam from Chuck
>
> I just got spammed by Chuck McCown. 
What's up with
> that?
>
> I sure as hell haven't signed up for any 
of his
> email lists nor done any business with 
him, or
> even indicate I would like to. I find it 
in
> extremely poor taste to mine the Af list 
for spam
> targets.
>
> Jared
>
>
>
>

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Re: [AFMUG] (no subject)

[Robert]

squirrel

On 2/16/18 5:51 AM, Adair Winter wrote:

Re: [AFMUG] OT Moviepass dying?

[Robert]

All of moviepass's money generation methods are based upon somebody else 
taking less money, no where do they inject more cash into the stream 
except for the sole case of food sales.  Theaters could end up saying 
"spend $30 in concession and get a free movie ticket and come out ahead...


On 2/16/18 5:24 AM, Jerry Head wrote:

https://seekingalpha.com/article/4147391-wrong-moviepass-going-zero

On the other hand Twitter went for well over a decade without turning a 
profit.

Re: [AFMUG] POE Fuse ...

[Robert]

+1

On 2/15/18 7:49 AM, ch...@wbmfg.com wrote:
I can.� I can have them hanging out the front and eliminate the finger 
pull hole.

*From:* Gino A. Villarini
*Sent:* Thursday, February 15, 2018 7:49 AM
*To:* af@afmug.com
*Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] POE Fuse ...
You can make the cards longer�
From: Af  on behalf of Chuck McCown 
Reply-To: "af@afmug.com" 
Date: Wednesday, February 14, 2018 at 4:02 PM
To: "af@afmug.com" 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] POE Fuse ...

*//*

*/Gino A. Villarini/*

President
Metro Office Park #18 Suite 304 Guaynabo, Puerto Rico 00968

I ran out of room when I tried.� That is on the APC version.
*From:* Gino A. Villarini
*Sent:* Wednesday, February 14, 2018 12:30 PM
*To:* af@afmug.com
*Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] POE Fuse ...
O need both the SS and the Fuse? can�t they be integrated in the same unit?
From: Af  on behalf of Chuck McCown 
Reply-To: "af@afmug.com" 
Date: Wednesday, February 14, 2018 at 11:50 AM
To: "af@afmug.com" 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] POE Fuse ...

*//*

*/Gino A. Villarini/*

President
Metro Office Park #18 Suite 304 Guaynabo, Puerto Rico 00968

Two similar questions:
Surge suppressors can blow ports.� If you have a surge, the surge 
protector will clamp all the Ethernet lines to ground.� That shorts them 
all together and grounds them.� That will also blow some POE ports.
So you need surge protectors to protect things from surges, but you need 
fuses to protect the POE source from the surge protector.� Learned this 
the hard way.

*From:* can...@believewireless.net
*Sent:* Wednesday, February 14, 2018 8:48 AM
*To:* af@afmug.com
*Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] POE Fuse ...
So for a Netonix, do we just need the fuse or do we need the surge 
arrestor card as well?

On Wed, Feb 14, 2018 at 10:41 AM, TJ Trout  wrote:

per chuck they must be fueses to protect a netonix, anything else
was too slow.
On Wed, Feb 14, 2018 at 7:34 AM, Adam Moffett 
wrote:

I'm sure you already thought about this, but is it possible to
make a device that recovers automatically after the short
circuit has ended while also responding fast enough to protect
the port?

Is it a case where it's possible but costs too much?


-- Original Message --
From: "Chuck McCown" 
To: "Animal Farm" 
Sent: 2/14/2018 10:27:32 AM
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] POE Fuse ...

We have been shipping for months.
The cost of having a Netonix port repaired is more than the
cost of the fuse.
And then there is the labor and downtime and other
intangible expenses involved in blowing a port.

The prices are lower if you buy from one of my
distributors.� I don't encourage anyone to buy off my
ecommerce site and pay full list price.� That site is only
there to generate sales for distributors.

All of my products have prices based on cost plus margin. 
Same formula across the board pretty much.� I try to have

unique products you can't get other places.��� If volume
increases on a product, I sometimes adjust the price down
due to the fact that my costs come down.� For example, if I
am buying 1000 surge protector PCBs, I may be paying $1 for
each.� But if I am only buying 100 of them it may be $2.50.

I recently adjusted the cost down on my 8 circuit tower
surge protector for exactly this reason. Volume picked up, I
worked on sourcing and buying and was able to drop the list
price considerably and still maintain my margins.

-Original Message- From: Faisal Imtiaz
Sent: Wednesday, February 14, 2018 8:00 AM
To: Animal Farm
Subject: [AFMUG] POE Fuse ...

Hi Chuck,

Great to hear about the new product, the POE Fuse.

Question & critique.
When are these going to be available ?
We would like to see these priced a bit more aggressive...
(At the current pricing, the cost of fusing multiple ports
appears to be exceeding the cost of 'poe switch' it is
protecting ! )

Regards.

Faisal Imtiaz
Snappy Internet & Telecom
http://www.snappytelecom.net

Tel: 305 663 5518 x 232 

Help-desk: (305)663-5518  Option 2 or
Email: supp...@snappytelecom.net

Re: [AFMUG] Spam from Chuck

[Robert Andrews]

I would like to ask Chuck if he would host a externally funded BBQ/BOF 
not AF, that would be pretty informal, so that we could all get some 
eyeball time with each other...   I like Utah cause it's driveable to so 
much of the US and excellent flights in for the rest and it could happen 
in a better month than when we are doing all our spring cleaning/fall 
prepping..   Totally understand it that's not in the cards, but if there 
was a chance, would like to propose something low-key..


Robert

On 02/14/2018 02:57 PM, Cameron Crum wrote:
I vote to move AF back to Salt Lake. It was a good excuse to get some 
powder days in...oh, and the conference was good too.



On Wed, Feb 14, 2018 at 1:31 PM, Mike Hammett <af...@ics-il.net 
<mailto:af...@ics-il.net>> wrote:


and three NANOGs, one GPF, one PTC, etc.



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The Brothers WISP <http://www.thebrotherswisp.com/>
<https://www.facebook.com/thebrotherswisp>


<https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCXSdfxQv7SpoRQYNyLwntZg>

*From: *"Jay Weekley" <par...@cyberbroadband.net
<mailto:par...@cyberbroadband.net>>
*To: *af@afmug.com <mailto:af@afmug.com>
*Sent: *Wednesday, February 14, 2018 12:00:16 PM
*Subject: *Re: [AFMUG] Spam from Chuck

I admit I had a bit of conference fatigue with Animal Farm, two WISPA
shows and a FISPA conference all in the same year.

Chuck McCown wrote:
> It can be done.  We outsourced much of it once we got the process 
> down.  But WispAmerica has been pretty good to me and I think they 
> think that AF as its own show may cut attendance to WispAmerica.

> Two shows, same season, one much cheaper than the other...
> So yeah, WispAmerica has an AnimalFarm track.  Same format as before.  
> Manufacturers send engineers and we discuss technical stuff.  And I 
> don’t have to do much other than MC the event.

> *From:* TJ Trout
> *Sent:* Tuesday, February 13, 2018 8:27 PM
> *To:* af@afmug.com <mailto:af@afmug.com>
 > *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Spam from Chuck
> Chuck,
> How feasible would it be to bring AF back to Utah and outsource the 
> unpalatable parts of planning?
> Obviously the cost would go up per person? Once you broke it off into 
> wispa I haven't attended since...
> Maybe I should give it a shot, you will be having a AF group @ 
> wispamerica in 20 days?

> TJ
> On Tue, Feb 13, 2018 at 7:13 PM, Faisal Imtiaz 
> <fai...@snappytelecom.net <mailto:fai...@snappytelecom.net>> wrote:

>
> >>My surge protectors are known to have an enhancement effect...
> Thus the need for a fuse !
> :)
> Faisal Imtiaz
> Snappy Internet & Telecom
> http://www.snappytelecom.net
>
> Tel: 305 663 5518 x 232 <tel:(305)%20663-5518> 
<tel:%28305%29%20663-5518>
>
 > Help-desk: (305)663-5518 <tel:(305)%20663-5518>
<tel:%28305%29%20663-5518> Option 2 or
 > Email: supp...@snappytelecom.net
> 

>
> *From: *ch...@wbmfg.com <mailto:ch...@wbmfg.com>
> *To: *af@afmug.com <mailto:af@afmug.com>
 > *Sent: *Tuesday, February 13, 2018 5:31:55 PM
 > *Subject: *Re: [AFMUG] Spam from Chuck
>
> My surge protectors are known to have an enhancement effect...
 > *From:* Adam Moffett
 > *Sent:* Tuesday, February 13, 2018 2:13 PM
 > *To:* af@afmug.com <mailto:af@afmug.com>
 > *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Spam from Chuck

 > That's hitting the nail on the head.  I don't want penis
 > enlargement spam, but I definitely want to hear about surge
 > protectors and power systems and network equipment.
 > Spam me Chuck.  Spam me like one of your French girls.
 > -- Original Message --
 > From: "Mathew Howard" <mhoward...@gmail.com
<mailto:mhoward...@gmail.com>>
 > To: "af" <af@afmug.com <mailto:af

Re: [AFMUG] POE Fuse ...

[Robert Andrews]

yes they are,   now,   It wasn't so great when they first got going... 
I told them they could keep a unit rather than the charge to repair it 
and ship it back with the an early unit.  Glad to see they are better.


On 02/14/2018 11:27 AM, Chuck McCown wrote:
I know, and I appreciate it.  Just want to be fair to Netonix.  They are 
reasonable in the charge to fix a blown port.


-Original Message- From: Robert Andrews
Sent: Wednesday, February 14, 2018 12:22 PM
To: af@afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] POE Fuse ...

Plus shipping both ways and you better put another spare in your
inventory...   Repair service starts at $75-100 depending upon device.

& I was trying to make a case for your device!!

On 02/14/2018 10:29 AM, Chuck McCown wrote:

I think Netonix will fix a blown POE port for $25.

-Original Message- From: Robert Andrews
Sent: Wednesday, February 14, 2018 11:20 AM
To: af@afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] POE Fuse ...

I look at as, if you have a short on a port Chuck costs the price of one
card, $20 and the netonix is a whole box, even if you RMA it...  Yes the
initial cost is steep, but the future cost/time is priceless...



On 02/14/2018 10:04 AM, Faisal Imtiaz wrote:

Thanks for the reply...

I was looking at things more simply...
  To protect 10/12 ports we are talking about $200/$250 give or take
  Switch value may be in similar ball park

It would be nice to see these in more of the $10 range..

I completely understand the production qty run vs cost.

Maybe, just a suggestion, we (as a group) can commit to a 
per-purchase qty, if that will help in bring the cost down.


Regards.

Faisal Imtiaz
Snappy Internet & Telecom
http://www.snappytelecom.net

Tel: 305 663 5518 x 232

Help-desk: (305)663-5518 Option 2 or Email: supp...@snappytelecom.net

- Original Message -

From: "Chuck McCown" <ch...@wbmfg.com>
To: "Animal Farm" <af@afmug.com>
Sent: Wednesday, February 14, 2018 10:27:31 AM
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] POE Fuse ...



We have been shipping for months.
The cost of having a Netonix port repaired is more than the cost of the
fuse.
And then there is the labor and downtime and other intangible expenses
involved in blowing a port.

The prices are lower if you buy from one of my distributors.  I don't
encourage anyone to buy off my ecommerce site and pay full list 
price. That

site is only there to generate sales for distributors.

All of my products have prices based on cost plus margin.  Same formula
across the board pretty much.  I try to have unique products you 
can't get
other places.If volume increases on a product, I sometimes 
adjust the
price down due to the fact that my costs come down.  For example, if 
I am
buying 1000 surge protector PCBs, I may be paying $1 for each.  But 
if I am

only buying 100 of them it may be $2.50.

I recently adjusted the cost down on my 8 circuit tower surge 
protector for
exactly this reason.  Volume picked up, I worked on sourcing and 
buying and
was able to drop the list price considerably and still maintain my 
margins.


-Original Message-
From: Faisal Imtiaz
Sent: Wednesday, February 14, 2018 8:00 AM
To: Animal Farm
Subject: [AFMUG] POE Fuse ...

Hi Chuck,

Great to hear about the new product, the POE Fuse.

Question & critique.
   When are these going to be available ?
   We would like to see these priced a bit more aggressive...
   (At the current pricing, the cost of fusing multiple ports 
appears to be

exceeding the cost of 'poe switch' it is protecting ! )

Regards.

Faisal Imtiaz
Snappy Internet & Telecom
http://www.snappytelecom.net

Tel: 305 663 5518 x 232

Help-desk: (305)663-5518 Option 2 or Email: supp...@snappytelecom.net