Re: Zmanda acquired from Carbonite by BETSOL -- future of Amanda development?

[Gene Heskett]

On Monday 15 October 2018 11:17:40 Ashwin Krishna wrote:

> Let me go back and check with the team.  This has to be sent out.
>
> -Original Message-
> From: Stefan G. Weichinger 
> Sent: Monday, October 15, 2018 2:09 AM
> To: Ashwin Krishna ;
> amanda-users@amanda.org Subject: Re: Zmanda acquired from Carbonite by
> BETSOL -- future of Amanda development?
>
> Am 08.10.18 um 20:06 schrieb Ashwin Krishna:
> > Thanks to everyone who made it to the call.
> > I'll be sharing the minutes and the action plan.
> >
> > Also, I'll be reaching out to the community seeking volunteers on
> > some of the action items and your feedback.
> >
> > Excited to the part of this community and hoping to gain more
> > participation going ahead.
> >
> > Regards,
> > Ashwin Krishna
> > ashwin.kris...@betsol.com
>
> One week has passed. Did we miss the link ... ?

Not that I'm aware of. 

Politics, first calm the masses. Then another months silence.


Copyright 2018 by Maurice E. Heskett
-- 
Cheers, Gene Heskett
--
"There are four boxes to be used in defense of liberty:
 soap, ballot, jury, and ammo. Please use in that order."
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Re: Zmanda acquired from Carbonite by BETSOL -- future of Amanda development?

[Charles Curley]

On Tue, 16 Oct 2018 09:47:02 -0700
"Schlacta, Christopher"  wrote:

> So since there seems to be no official word from BETSOL, from those of
> you community members who were able to attend, what was the general
> feeling you got from them?  Is the future of amanda a bright, positive
> one?  or are we clinging to a slowly sinking dinghy?

Good question.

There were some very encouraging words from BETSOL and from the open
source side. We have a tentative list of things to do. Some will be
obvious, like update the web site; others not so obvious. We have some
volunteers to undertake some of those tasks.

Ashwin Krishna promised us minutes and a recording of the meeting. I
have not seen either. Indeed, if BETSOL has communicated with anyone on
this list since, I am not aware of it.

I expect they know that this is not an election, that actions count for
far more than words. Open source is a meritocracy, and BETSOL has to
earn its place with us.

On the other tentacle, companies do sometimes move slowly. And
sometimes people within a company have to sell what they want to do to
others within the company. I believe that there are folks here who can
and would be glad to help with that.

-- 
"When we talk of civilization, we are too apt to limit the meaning of
the word to its mere embellishments, such as arts and sciences; but
the true distinction between it and barbarism is, that the one
presents a state of society under the protection of just and
well-administered law, and the other is left to the chance government
of brute force."
- The Rev. James White, Eighteen Christian Centuries, 1889
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Re: Zmanda acquired from Carbonite by BETSOL -- future of Amanda development?

[Schlacta, Christopher]

So since there seems to be no official word from BETSOL, from those of
you community members who were able to attend, what was the general
feeling you got from them?  Is the future of amanda a bright, positive
one?  or are we clinging to a slowly sinking dinghy?
On Tue, Oct 16, 2018 at 9:44 AM Jean-Francois Malouin
 wrote:
>
> * Stefan G. Weichinger  [20181016 05:39]:
> > Am 15.10.18 um 17:17 schrieb Ashwin Krishna:
> > >Let me go back and check with the team.  This has to be sent out.
> >
> > I am curious already, and I assume other amanda-users as well ... ?
> >
>
> yes yes...

Re: Zmanda acquired from Carbonite by BETSOL -- future of Amanda development?

[Jean-Francois Malouin]

* Stefan G. Weichinger  [20181016 05:39]:
> Am 15.10.18 um 17:17 schrieb Ashwin Krishna:
> >Let me go back and check with the team.  This has to be sent out.
> 
> I am curious already, and I assume other amanda-users as well ... ?
> 

yes yes...

Re: Zmanda acquired from Carbonite by BETSOL -- future of Amanda development?

[Chris Nighswonger]

Yes.

On Tue, Oct 16, 2018 at 12:06 PM J Chapman Flack 
wrote:

> On 10/16/2018 05:38 AM, Stefan G. Weichinger wrote:
> > Am 15.10.18 um 17:17 schrieb Ashwin Krishna:
> >> Let me go back and check with the team.  This has to be sent out.
> >
> > I am curious already, and I assume other amanda-users as well ... ?
> Yes.
>

Re: Zmanda acquired from Carbonite by BETSOL -- future of Amanda development?

[J Chapman Flack]

On 10/16/2018 05:38 AM, Stefan G. Weichinger wrote:
> Am 15.10.18 um 17:17 schrieb Ashwin Krishna:
>> Let me go back and check with the team.  This has to be sent out.
> 
> I am curious already, and I assume other amanda-users as well ... ?
Yes.

Re: Zmanda acquired from Carbonite by BETSOL -- future of Amanda development?

[Gene Heskett]

On Tuesday 16 October 2018 05:38:57 Stefan G. Weichinger wrote:

> Am 15.10.18 um 17:17 schrieb Ashwin Krishna:
> > Let me go back and check with the team.  This has to be sent out.
>
> I am curious already, and I assume other amanda-users as well ... ?
Yes.


Copyright 2018 by Maurice E. Heskett
-- 
Cheers, Gene Heskett
--
"There are four boxes to be used in defense of liberty:
 soap, ballot, jury, and ammo. Please use in that order."
-Ed Howdershelt (Author)
Genes Web page 

Re: Zmanda acquired from Carbonite by BETSOL -- future of Amanda development?

[Stefan G. Weichinger]

Am 15.10.18 um 17:17 schrieb Ashwin Krishna:

Let me go back and check with the team.  This has to be sent out.


I am curious already, and I assume other amanda-users as well ... ?

RE: Zmanda acquired from Carbonite by BETSOL -- future of Amanda development?

[Ashwin Krishna]

Let me go back and check with the team.  This has to be sent out.

-Original Message-
From: Stefan G. Weichinger  
Sent: Monday, October 15, 2018 2:09 AM
To: Ashwin Krishna ; amanda-users@amanda.org
Subject: Re: Zmanda acquired from Carbonite by BETSOL -- future of Amanda 
development?

Am 08.10.18 um 20:06 schrieb Ashwin Krishna:
> Thanks to everyone who made it to the call.
> I'll be sharing the minutes and the action plan.
> 
> Also, I'll be reaching out to the community seeking volunteers on some of the 
> action items and your feedback.
> 
> Excited to the part of this community and hoping to gain more participation 
> going ahead.
> 
> Regards,
> Ashwin Krishna
> ashwin.kris...@betsol.com

One week has passed. Did we miss the link ... ?

RE: Zmanda acquired from Carbonite by BETSOL -- future of Amanda development?

[Ashwin Krishna]

Thanks to everyone who made it to the call. 
I'll be sharing the minutes and the action plan. 

Also, I'll be reaching out to the community seeking volunteers on some of the 
action items and your feedback.

Excited to the part of this community and hoping to gain more participation 
going ahead.

Regards,
Ashwin Krishna
ashwin.kris...@betsol.com

-Original Message-
From: Ashwin Krishna 
Sent: Monday, October 08, 2018 11:03 AM
To: 'amanda-users@amanda.org' 
Subject: RE: Zmanda acquired from Carbonite by BETSOL -- future of Amanda 
development?

Gentle Reminder : We are started the call. Meeting Details are below.

We propose to have the call on Oct 8th at 11 AM Mountain Time.
 
Agenda:
*   Zmanda's Acquisition by BETSOL
*   Attendee Introductions
*   Existing Governance Model of Amanda Community
*   Suggested changes to the Governance Model
*   BETSOL's Commitment to Open Source Community
 
We have taken a note of all the suggestions received on the mailing list and we 
will go through the same on the call.
 
Meeting Details:
Amanda Open Source Community Discussion Mon, Oct 8, 2018 11:00 AM - 12:00 PM 
MDT Please join my meeting from your computer, tablet or smartphone. 
https://global.gotomeeting.com/join/438069045
You can also dial in using your phone. 
United States: +1 (786) 535-3211
Access Code: 438-069-045
First GoToMeeting? Let's do a quick system check: 
https://link.gotomeeting.com/system-check

-Original Message-
From: Ashwin Krishna
Sent: Tuesday, October 02, 2018 10:35 AM
To: amanda-users@amanda.org
Subject: RE: Zmanda acquired from Carbonite by BETSOL -- future of Amanda 
development?

Hi All,
 
We propose to have the call on Oct 8th at 11 AM Mountain Time.
 
Agenda:
*   Zmanda's Acquisition by BETSOL
*   Attendee Introductions
*   Existing Governance Model of Amanda Community
*   Suggested changes to the Governance Model
*   BETSOL's Commitment to Open Source Community
 
We have taken a note of all the suggestions received on the mailing list and we 
will go through the same on the call.
 
Meeting Details:
Amanda Open Source Community Discussion Mon, Oct 8, 2018 11:00 AM - 12:00 PM 
MDT Please join my meeting from your computer, tablet or smartphone. 
https://global.gotomeeting.com/join/438069045
You can also dial in using your phone. 
United States: +1 (786) 535-3211
Access Code: 438-069-045
First GoToMeeting? Let's do a quick system check: 
https://link.gotomeeting.com/system-check

Regards,
Ashwin Krishna

-Original Message-
From: Nathan Stratton Treadway 
Sent: Thursday, September 27, 2018 9:01 PM
To: Ashwin Krishna 
Cc: amanda-users@amanda.org
Subject: Re: Zmanda acquired from Carbonite by BETSOL -- future of Amanda 
development?

Ashwin, thanks very much for getting in contact with the Amanda mailing list.

On Thu, Sep 27, 2018 at 06:16:02 +, Ashwin Krishna wrote:
> We are 100% committed to the open source community and will be 
> contributing to the code base to the best of our abilities.
> 
[...]
> I want to assure you that we are actively investing in growing Amanda 
> and we have young enthusiastic engineers in the team.
>
> You can expect the next Amanda releases to include support for newer 
> versions of operating systems, defect fixes, security enhancements 
> etc.
>
[...]
> We have retained the team members that we could of previous Zmanda team.
> I can tell you that it's not easy without support from the community members. 
> We encourage the community members to guide and contribute as much as you can.
> If you need commit access to the code base, please don't hesitate to reach 
> out to us. 
> You can expect our commitment and support to you.

On Thu, Sep 27, 2018 at 22:54:02 +, Ashwin Krishna wrote:
> We are planning to host a conference call and would like all the 
> active admins and community members to join to have a discussion with 
> the Zmanda team at BETSOL regarding future collaborations.
> 
> Will be sending out the meeting details (US time) with the agenda later.  

It sounds like getting the new BETSOL team in direct contact with the admins 
for the mailing list and other amanda.org-related resources in an important 
step at this point.


However, I would say that for many of us here on the list, the most notable 
change in the past 7 months is not related those things (which have continued 
to chug along as before), but rather the lack of "a developer" to move things 
along here on the public lists and in the public source repo.

A decade or two ago it sounds like there were a number of developers involved, 
but more recently it's just been one or two Zmanda people who have served that 
role.

Obviously this could be a good time to reconsider this arrangement if there are 
in fact other people ready to jump in, but off hand I'm guessing that what's 
likely to work going forward is for there to be a small number 

Re: Zmanda acquired from Carbonite by BETSOL -- future of Amanda development?

[Schlacta, Christopher]

Make sure to share the transcripts and recording on Youtube when
you're done for those of us who can't attend!
On Mon, Oct 8, 2018 at 10:05 AM Ashwin Krishna
 wrote:
>
> Gentle Reminder : We are started the call. Meeting Details are below.
>
> We propose to have the call on Oct 8th at 11 AM Mountain Time.
>
> Agenda:
> *   Zmanda's Acquisition by BETSOL
> *   Attendee Introductions
> *   Existing Governance Model of Amanda Community
> *   Suggested changes to the Governance Model
> *   BETSOL's Commitment to Open Source Community
>
> We have taken a note of all the suggestions received on the mailing list and 
> we will go through the same on the call.
>
> Meeting Details:
> Amanda Open Source Community Discussion Mon, Oct 8, 2018 11:00 AM - 12:00 PM 
> MDT Please join my meeting from your computer, tablet or smartphone.
> https://global.gotomeeting.com/join/438069045
> You can also dial in using your phone.
> United States: +1 (786) 535-3211
> Access Code: 438-069-045
> First GoToMeeting? Let's do a quick system check: 
> https://link.gotomeeting.com/system-check
>
> -Original Message-
> From: Ashwin Krishna
> Sent: Tuesday, October 02, 2018 10:35 AM
> To: amanda-users@amanda.org
> Subject: RE: Zmanda acquired from Carbonite by BETSOL -- future of Amanda 
> development?
>
> Hi All,
>
> We propose to have the call on Oct 8th at 11 AM Mountain Time.
>
> Agenda:
> *   Zmanda's Acquisition by BETSOL
> *   Attendee Introductions
> *   Existing Governance Model of Amanda Community
> *   Suggested changes to the Governance Model
> *   BETSOL's Commitment to Open Source Community
>
> We have taken a note of all the suggestions received on the mailing list and 
> we will go through the same on the call.
>
> Meeting Details:
> Amanda Open Source Community Discussion Mon, Oct 8, 2018 11:00 AM - 12:00 PM 
> MDT Please join my meeting from your computer, tablet or smartphone.
> https://global.gotomeeting.com/join/438069045
> You can also dial in using your phone.
> United States: +1 (786) 535-3211
> Access Code: 438-069-045
> First GoToMeeting? Let's do a quick system check: 
> https://link.gotomeeting.com/system-check
>
> Regards,
> Ashwin Krishna
>
> -Original Message-----
> From: Nathan Stratton Treadway 
> Sent: Thursday, September 27, 2018 9:01 PM
> To: Ashwin Krishna 
> Cc: amanda-users@amanda.org
> Subject: Re: Zmanda acquired from Carbonite by BETSOL -- future of Amanda 
> development?
>
> Ashwin, thanks very much for getting in contact with the Amanda mailing list.
>
> On Thu, Sep 27, 2018 at 06:16:02 +, Ashwin Krishna wrote:
> > We are 100% committed to the open source community and will be
> > contributing to the code base to the best of our abilities.
> >
> [...]
> > I want to assure you that we are actively investing in growing Amanda
> > and we have young enthusiastic engineers in the team.
> >
> > You can expect the next Amanda releases to include support for newer
> > versions of operating systems, defect fixes, security enhancements
> > etc.
> >
> [...]
> > We have retained the team members that we could of previous Zmanda team.
> > I can tell you that it's not easy without support from the community 
> > members.
> > We encourage the community members to guide and contribute as much as you 
> > can.
> > If you need commit access to the code base, please don't hesitate to reach 
> > out to us.
> > You can expect our commitment and support to you.
>
> On Thu, Sep 27, 2018 at 22:54:02 +, Ashwin Krishna wrote:
> > We are planning to host a conference call and would like all the
> > active admins and community members to join to have a discussion with
> > the Zmanda team at BETSOL regarding future collaborations.
> >
> > Will be sending out the meeting details (US time) with the agenda later.
>
> It sounds like getting the new BETSOL team in direct contact with the admins 
> for the mailing list and other amanda.org-related resources in an important 
> step at this point.
>
>
> However, I would say that for many of us here on the list, the most notable 
> change in the past 7 months is not related those things (which have continued 
> to chug along as before), but rather the lack of "a developer" to move things 
> along here on the public lists and in the public source repo.
>
> A decade or two ago it sounds like there were a number of developers 
> involved, but more recently it's just been one or two Zmanda people who have 
> served that role.
>
> Obviously this could be a good time to reconsider this arrangement if there 
> are 

RE: Zmanda acquired from Carbonite by BETSOL -- future of Amanda development?

[Ashwin Krishna]

Gentle Reminder : We are started the call. Meeting Details are below.

We propose to have the call on Oct 8th at 11 AM Mountain Time.
 
Agenda:
*   Zmanda's Acquisition by BETSOL
*   Attendee Introductions
*   Existing Governance Model of Amanda Community
*   Suggested changes to the Governance Model
*   BETSOL's Commitment to Open Source Community
 
We have taken a note of all the suggestions received on the mailing list and we 
will go through the same on the call.
 
Meeting Details:
Amanda Open Source Community Discussion Mon, Oct 8, 2018 11:00 AM - 12:00 PM 
MDT Please join my meeting from your computer, tablet or smartphone. 
https://global.gotomeeting.com/join/438069045
You can also dial in using your phone. 
United States: +1 (786) 535-3211
Access Code: 438-069-045
First GoToMeeting? Let's do a quick system check: 
https://link.gotomeeting.com/system-check

-Original Message-
From: Ashwin Krishna 
Sent: Tuesday, October 02, 2018 10:35 AM
To: amanda-users@amanda.org
Subject: RE: Zmanda acquired from Carbonite by BETSOL -- future of Amanda 
development?

Hi All,
 
We propose to have the call on Oct 8th at 11 AM Mountain Time.
 
Agenda:
*   Zmanda's Acquisition by BETSOL
*   Attendee Introductions
*   Existing Governance Model of Amanda Community
*   Suggested changes to the Governance Model
*   BETSOL's Commitment to Open Source Community
 
We have taken a note of all the suggestions received on the mailing list and we 
will go through the same on the call.
 
Meeting Details:
Amanda Open Source Community Discussion Mon, Oct 8, 2018 11:00 AM - 12:00 PM 
MDT Please join my meeting from your computer, tablet or smartphone. 
https://global.gotomeeting.com/join/438069045
You can also dial in using your phone. 
United States: +1 (786) 535-3211
Access Code: 438-069-045
First GoToMeeting? Let's do a quick system check: 
https://link.gotomeeting.com/system-check

Regards,
Ashwin Krishna

-Original Message-
From: Nathan Stratton Treadway 
Sent: Thursday, September 27, 2018 9:01 PM
To: Ashwin Krishna 
Cc: amanda-users@amanda.org
Subject: Re: Zmanda acquired from Carbonite by BETSOL -- future of Amanda 
development?

Ashwin, thanks very much for getting in contact with the Amanda mailing list.

On Thu, Sep 27, 2018 at 06:16:02 +, Ashwin Krishna wrote:
> We are 100% committed to the open source community and will be 
> contributing to the code base to the best of our abilities.
> 
[...]
> I want to assure you that we are actively investing in growing Amanda 
> and we have young enthusiastic engineers in the team.
>
> You can expect the next Amanda releases to include support for newer 
> versions of operating systems, defect fixes, security enhancements 
> etc.
>
[...]
> We have retained the team members that we could of previous Zmanda team.
> I can tell you that it's not easy without support from the community members. 
> We encourage the community members to guide and contribute as much as you can.
> If you need commit access to the code base, please don't hesitate to reach 
> out to us. 
> You can expect our commitment and support to you.

On Thu, Sep 27, 2018 at 22:54:02 +, Ashwin Krishna wrote:
> We are planning to host a conference call and would like all the 
> active admins and community members to join to have a discussion with 
> the Zmanda team at BETSOL regarding future collaborations.
> 
> Will be sending out the meeting details (US time) with the agenda later.  

It sounds like getting the new BETSOL team in direct contact with the admins 
for the mailing list and other amanda.org-related resources in an important 
step at this point.


However, I would say that for many of us here on the list, the most notable 
change in the past 7 months is not related those things (which have continued 
to chug along as before), but rather the lack of "a developer" to move things 
along here on the public lists and in the public source repo.

A decade or two ago it sounds like there were a number of developers involved, 
but more recently it's just been one or two Zmanda people who have served that 
role.

Obviously this could be a good time to reconsider this arrangement if there are 
in fact other people ready to jump in, but off hand I'm guessing that what's 
likely to work going forward is for there to be a small number of BETSOL 
developers back in that role.

As an Amanda user who has tried to contribute back a few improvements to the 
code line, I'm not really looking to have direct commit access myself, but 
rather hope to get back to someone (hanging out here on the mailing lists) who 
can take the patches I came up with hacking around on my own system and 
understand whether or not they will really work for everyone, and who will know 
which branches should have that change pushed onto them, and what tweaks are 
needed to make the patch apply to some older branch, et

Re: Zmanda acquired from Carbonite by BETSOL -- future of Amanda development

[Gene Heskett]

On Friday 05 October 2018 09:27:59 Charles Curley wrote:

> On Fri, 5 Oct 2018 08:13:58 -0400
>
> Gene Heskett  wrote:
> > As several have pointed out, I am still looking at the green side of
> > the grass.
>
> Please continue to do so. This list would not be the same without you.

Thank you Charles. Since I tend to be the agitator, it would be quieter 
w/o me. :)

Copyright 2018 by Maurice E. Heskett
-- 
Cheers, Gene Heskett
--
"There are four boxes to be used in defense of liberty:
 soap, ballot, jury, and ammo. Please use in that order."
-Ed Howdershelt (Author)
Genes Web page 

Re: Zmanda acquired from Carbonite by BETSOL -- future of Amanda development

[Charles Curley]

On Fri, 5 Oct 2018 08:13:58 -0400
Gene Heskett  wrote:

> As several have pointed out, I am still looking at the green side of
> the grass.

Please continue to do so. This list would not be the same without you.

-- 
"When we talk of civilization, we are too apt to limit the meaning of
the word to its mere embellishments, such as arts and sciences; but
the true distinction between it and barbarism is, that the one
presents a state of society under the protection of just and
well-administered law, and the other is left to the chance government
of brute force."
- The Rev. James White, Eighteen Christian Centuries, 1889
Key fingerprint = CE5C 6645 A45A 64E4 94C0  809C FFF6 4C48 4ECD DFDB
https://charlescurley.com

Re: Zmanda acquired from Carbonite by BETSOL -- future of Amanda development

[Gene Heskett]

On Friday 05 October 2018 02:57:21 Stefan G. Weichinger wrote:

> Am 05.10.18 um 05:15 schrieb Olivier:
> > Gene,
> >
> >> And beat me with whatever. Ouch, egg on face. Shtoopidity, must
> >> come with a large birthday count. 83->84 today.
> >>
> >> In posting that script I suddenly noticed the \ after the previous
> >> last line was missing. Its rebuilding now, with that file moved to
> >> /etc. My apologies.
> >>
> >> And amcheck is happy.
> >
> > That's a kind of weird present, but Amada is building, happy
> > birthsday
> >
> > :)
> >
> > I hope to reach 84 one day and still be as bright as you are by that
> > time.
>
> Best wishes from me as well, I am impressed :-)
>
> Stefan

Thank you Stefan. I hope the same for everyone I've gotten to know on 
these mailing lists.


Copyright 2018 by Maurice E. Heskett
-- 
Cheers, Gene Heskett
--
"There are four boxes to be used in defense of liberty:
 soap, ballot, jury, and ammo. Please use in that order."
-Ed Howdershelt (Author)
Genes Web page 

Re: Zmanda acquired from Carbonite by BETSOL -- future of Amanda development

[Gene Heskett]

On Thursday 04 October 2018 23:15:53 Olivier wrote:

> Gene,
>
> > And beat me with whatever. Ouch, egg on face. Shtoopidity, must come
> > with a large birthday count. 83->84 today.
> >
> > In posting that script I suddenly noticed the \ after the previous
> > last line was missing. Its rebuilding now, with that file moved to
> > /etc. My apologies.
> >
> > And amcheck is happy.
>
> That's a kind of weird present, but Amada is building, happy birthsday
>
> :)
>
> I hope to reach 84 one day and still be as bright as you are by that
> time.
>
> Olivier

Thank you Olivier. But I had a pulmonary embolism 3 years ago that I 
think had a cost in the IQ dept. I sure as heck don't recommend it as a 
way to die. Scary as can be. They are generally 99% fatal, but while 
he's had several good opportunities to put a ~30~ to my story, he's not 
done it yet. Interesting comment by the ultrasound tech late in that 10 
days in the shop, he came into the exam room, spent a long hour looking 
into me with his probes, commenting on the enlarged condition of my 
heart due to its trying to get some blood past the blockage, but said it 
would be back to normal in a week or 3, looked some more, valiantly 
trying for a good excuse to open me up and fix something, but finally 
sat back with a disappointed look on his face and declared I ought to be 
good for another 20 years. With a straight face I said thats good news, 
then laughed. Anyway, I'm still here and still playing with dangerous 
machinery that I've converted to run as CNC controlled stuff since I 
retired, more or less, from broadcast engineering.  I'm still keeping 
the local Ma & Pa radio station on the air though. He tells me that as 
someone who actually fixes things, I am a dying breed. And he's right. 
I've been chasing electrons for a living since around 1950, on an 8th 
grade education. It has been a wild ride at times, generally well paid.

As several have pointed out, I am still looking at the green side of the 
grass.
-- 
Cheers, Gene Heskett
--
"There are four boxes to be used in defense of liberty:
 soap, ballot, jury, and ammo. Please use in that order."
-Ed Howdershelt (Author)
Genes Web page 

Re: Zmanda acquired from Carbonite by BETSOL -- future of Amanda development

[Stefan G. Weichinger]

Am 05.10.18 um 05:15 schrieb Olivier:

Gene,


And beat me with whatever. Ouch, egg on face. Shtoopidity, must come with
a large birthday count. 83->84 today.

In posting that script I suddenly noticed the \ after the previous last
line was missing. Its rebuilding now, with that file moved to /etc. My
apologies.

And amcheck is happy.


That's a kind of weird present, but Amada is building, happy birthsday
:)

I hope to reach 84 one day and still be as bright as you are by that
time.


Best wishes from me as well, I am impressed :-)

Stefan

Re: Zmanda acquired from Carbonite by BETSOL -- future of Amanda development

[Olivier]

Gene,

> And beat me with whatever. Ouch, egg on face. Shtoopidity, must come with 
> a large birthday count. 83->84 today.
> 
> In posting that script I suddenly noticed the \ after the previous last 
> line was missing. Its rebuilding now, with that file moved to /etc. My 
> apologies.
> 
> And amcheck is happy.

That's a kind of weird present, but Amada is building, happy birthsday
:)

I hope to reach 84 one day and still be as bright as you are by that
time.

Olivier

Re: Zmanda acquired from Carbonite by BETSOL -- future of Amanda development

[Gene Heskett]

On Thursday 04 October 2018 06:55:29 Nathan Stratton Treadway wrote:

> On Thu, Oct 04, 2018 at 06:12:16 -0400, Gene Heskett wrote:
> > > > to /usr/local/etc/amanda/Daily. It is there, and owned by
> > > > amanda:disk, but configure reports:
> > > > ./gh.cf:
> > > > 25: ./gh.cf:
> > > > --with-security_file=/usr/local/etc/amanda/Daily/amanda-security
> > > >.con f: not found
>
> [...]
>
> > ./configure --with-user=amanda \
> > --with-group=disk \
> > --with-owner=amanda \
> > --with-gnu-ld \
> > --prefix=/usr/local/ \
> > --with-debugging=/tmp/amanda-dbg/ \
> > --with-tape-server=coyote \
> > --with-bsdtcp-security --with-amandahosts \
> > --with-configdir=/usr/local/etc/amanda \
> > --enable-manpage-build \
> > --with-readline \
> > --with-gnutar=/bin/tar \
> > --with-security-file=/etc/amanda-security.conf
>
> The "not found" error here is not from "configure", but rather from
> gh.cf; it appears /bin/sh is trying to execute a command named
> "--with-security_file=/usr/local/etc/amanda/Daily/amanda-security.conf
>".
>
> Do you have a trailing space after the "\" at the end of line 24 of
> your script?  (If it's not that, it would appear to be some other
> shell syntax typo somewhere earlier in the script.)
>
>   Nathan
Absolutely correct, that \ after tar was missing. Its built, amcheck is 
happy, and its doing another backup session right now.

Thanks for your patience, that shoulda been obvious but it wasn't seen in 
nano. glaring colors distracted, old man forgot, whatever, but I didn't 
notice it till I posted it in plain black and white.

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Re: Zmanda acquired from Carbonite by BETSOL -- future of Amanda development

[Gene Heskett]

On Thursday 04 October 2018 06:12:16 Gene Heskett wrote:

> On Thursday 04 October 2018 04:28:53 Olivier wrote:
> > Gene,
> >
> > > May I be so rude as to point out
> > > that --with-security-file=/path/to/amanda-security.conf doesn't
> > > work according to the config output.
> >
> > I just downlowded amanda  3.5.1 and tried it, I do not have any
> > problem with the configure option --with-security-file. It is there
> > in "configure -h" and "configure --with-security-file=/somthing"
> > does not throw an error message.
> >
> > > I moved it
> > > to /usr/local/etc/amanda/Daily. It is there, and owned by
> > > amanda:disk, but configure reports:
> > > ./gh.cf:
> > > 25: ./gh.cf:
> > > --with-security_file=/usr/local/etc/amanda/Daily/amanda-security.c
> > >on f: not found
> >
> > But I could not find the file gh.cf that you mention, it does not
> > appear to be part of the distribution of Amanda.
>
> Its not, that my build script I wrote in self defense tears ago so
> that I didn't have to remember all the options to pass to config.
> Here that script is:
> 
> #!/bin/sh
> # since I'm always forgetting to su amanda...
> if [ `whoami` != 'amanda' ]; then
>   echo
>   echo "!! Warning !!!"
>   echo "Amanda needs to be configured and built by the"
>   echo "user amanda, but must be installed by user root."
>   echo
>   exit 1
> fi
> make clean
> rm -f config.status config.cache
> ./configure --with-user=amanda \
>   --with-group=disk \
>   --with-owner=amanda \
>   --with-gnu-ld \
>   --prefix=/usr/local/ \
>   --with-debugging=/tmp/amanda-dbg/ \
>   --with-tape-server=coyote \
>   --with-bsdtcp-security --with-amandahosts \
>   --with-configdir=/usr/local/etc/amanda \
>   --enable-manpage-build \
>   --with-readline \
>   --with-gnutar=/bin/tar \
>   --with-security-file=/etc/amanda-security.conf
> echo "sleeping for reading configures warnings"
> echo "a make as amanda will continue after 75 seconds..."
> sleep 75
> make
> ---
> Nothing unusual there except consistent build options. coyote is the
> hosts file alias for this machine.
>
And beat me with whatever. Ouch, egg on face. Shtoopidity, must come with 
a large birthday count. 83->84 today.

In posting that script I suddenly noticed the \ after the previous last 
line was missing. Its rebuilding now, with that file moved to /etc. My 
apologies.

And amcheck is happy.

amanda@coyote:~/amanda-3.5.1$ /usr/local/sbin/amcheck Daily
'/usr/local/etc/amanda/Daily/amanda.conf', line 119: warning: Global 
changerfile is deprecated, it must be set in the changer section
'/usr/local/etc/amanda/Daily/amanda.conf', line 140: warning: Keyword 
usetimestamps is deprecated.
Amanda Tape Server Host Check
-
NOTE: Holding disk '/usr/dumps': 639636 MB disk space available, using 
639136 MB
'/usr/local/etc/amanda/Daily/amanda.conf', line 119: warning: Global 
changerfile is deprecated, it must be set in the changer section
'/usr/local/etc/amanda/Daily/amanda.conf', line 140: warning: Keyword 
usetimestamps is deprecated.
slot 57: volume 'Dailys-57'
Will write to volume 'Dailys-57' in slot 57.
NOTE: skipping tape-writable test
Server check took 0.256 seconds
Amanda Backup Client Hosts Check

Client check: 5 hosts checked in 3.089 seconds.  0 problems found.
(brought to you by Amanda 3.5.1)
So we'll see how it makes an extra run.
This mornings email from the run this  morning is typical of the lieing 
amanda does these days, long report from planner indicating 2/3rds of 
the disklist is advanced to level 2.

But then you pick a named dle, scan down the message and it did a level 0 
on every dle it promoted. So the backup is 2-3 times the size it should 
be if the planner had its way. And if you look back in the archives 
you'll find I've posted about this discrepancy quite a few times over 
the last 5 years. I note another user has had to take steps to override 
it, but I'd much druther see it just do what it said it was going to do.

3.5.1 is running via my wrapper script backup.sh just to see how it 
does... My wrapper script runs the backup, then appends everything 
amanda needs to restore a new drive with a bare install on it, to 
exactly the configuration it had when it ran earlier this morning.

> > Regards,
> >
> > Olivier

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Re: Zmanda acquired from Carbonite by BETSOL -- future of Amanda development

[Nathan Stratton Treadway]

On Thu, Oct 04, 2018 at 06:12:16 -0400, Gene Heskett wrote:
> > > to /usr/local/etc/amanda/Daily. It is there, and owned by
> > > amanda:disk, but configure reports:
> > > ./gh.cf:
> > > 25: ./gh.cf:
> > > --with-security_file=/usr/local/etc/amanda/Daily/amanda-security.con
> > >f: not found
[...]
> ./configure --with-user=amanda \
>   --with-group=disk \
>   --with-owner=amanda \
>   --with-gnu-ld \
>   --prefix=/usr/local/ \
>   --with-debugging=/tmp/amanda-dbg/ \
>   --with-tape-server=coyote \
>   --with-bsdtcp-security --with-amandahosts \
>   --with-configdir=/usr/local/etc/amanda \
>   --enable-manpage-build \
>   --with-readline \
>   --with-gnutar=/bin/tar \
>   --with-security-file=/etc/amanda-security.conf

The "not found" error here is not from "configure", but rather from
gh.cf; it appears /bin/sh is trying to execute a command named
"--with-security_file=/usr/local/etc/amanda/Daily/amanda-security.conf".

Do you have a trailing space after the "\" at the end of line 24 of your
script?  (If it's not that, it would appear to be some other shell
syntax typo somewhere earlier in the script.)

Nathan


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Re: Zmanda acquired from Carbonite by BETSOL -- future of Amanda development

[Gene Heskett]

On Thursday 04 October 2018 04:28:53 Olivier wrote:

> Gene,
>
> > May I be so rude as to point out
> > that --with-security-file=/path/to/amanda-security.conf doesn't work
> > according to the config output.
>
> I just downlowded amanda  3.5.1 and tried it, I do not have any
> problem with the configure option --with-security-file. It is there in
> "configure -h" and "configure --with-security-file=/somthing" does not
> throw an error message.
>
> > I moved it
> > to /usr/local/etc/amanda/Daily. It is there, and owned by
> > amanda:disk, but configure reports:
> > ./gh.cf:
> > 25: ./gh.cf:
> > --with-security_file=/usr/local/etc/amanda/Daily/amanda-security.con
> >f: not found
>
> But I could not find the file gh.cf that you mention, it does not
> appear to be part of the distribution of Amanda.
>
Its not, that my build script I wrote in self defense tears ago so that I 
didn't have to remember all the options to pass to config.
Here that script is:

#!/bin/sh
# since I'm always forgetting to su amanda...
if [ `whoami` != 'amanda' ]; then
echo
echo "!! Warning !!!"
echo "Amanda needs to be configured and built by the"
echo "user amanda, but must be installed by user root."
echo
exit 1
fi
make clean
rm -f config.status config.cache
./configure --with-user=amanda \
--with-group=disk \
--with-owner=amanda \
--with-gnu-ld \
--prefix=/usr/local/ \
--with-debugging=/tmp/amanda-dbg/ \
--with-tape-server=coyote \
--with-bsdtcp-security --with-amandahosts \
--with-configdir=/usr/local/etc/amanda \
--enable-manpage-build \
--with-readline \
--with-gnutar=/bin/tar \
--with-security-file=/etc/amanda-security.conf
echo "sleeping for reading configures warnings"
echo "a make as amanda will continue after 75 seconds..."
sleep 75
make
---
Nothing unusual there except consistent build options. coyote is the 
hosts file alias for this machine.
 
> Regards,
>
> Olivier


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Re: Zmanda acquired from Carbonite by BETSOL -- future of Amanda development

[Olivier]

Gene,

> May I be so rude as to point out 
> that --with-security-file=/path/to/amanda-security.conf doesn't work 
> according to the config output.

I just downlowded amanda  3.5.1 and tried it, I do not have any problem
with the configure option --with-security-file. It is there in "configure
-h" and "configure --with-security-file=/somthing" does not throw an
error message.

> I moved it 
> to /usr/local/etc/amanda/Daily. It is there, and owned by amanda:disk, 
> but configure reports:
> ./gh.cf: 
> 25: ./gh.cf: 
> --with-security_file=/usr/local/etc/amanda/Daily/amanda-security.conf: 
> not found

But I could not find the file gh.cf that you mention, it does not appear
to be part of the distribution of Amanda.

Regards,

Olivier

Re: Zmanda acquired from Carbonite by BETSOL -- future of Amanda development

[Gene Heskett]

On Thursday 04 October 2018 03:18:18 Stefan G. Weichinger wrote:

> Am 04.10.18 um 09:02 schrieb Gene Heskett:
> > Until there is a fix that works, this thread is a waste of
> > bandwidth.
>
> ... and the non-modified thread subject is heavily misleading, btw.

That it is, its in two different threads now.

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--
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 soap, ballot, jury, and ammo. Please use in that order."
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Re: Zmanda acquired from Carbonite by BETSOL -- future of Amanda development

[Gene Heskett]

On Wednesday 03 October 2018 23:13:06 Nathan Stratton Treadway wrote:

> On Thu, Oct 04, 2018 at 09:07:53 +0700, Olivier wrote:
> > The error message is complaining about the mode of the directory,
> > not about the file. But mode on /usr/local/etc are not for Amanda
> > only, it's a system stuff, so it is not really realistic to change
> > them.
> >
> > So the solution was to move the file to /usr/local/etc/amanda, as
> > suggested by the man, where you can adjust the mode more to Amanda
> > linking.
>
> While trying to figure out the error messages Gene was reporting I
> took a look at the source code that performs this security check [*]
> and found that it specifically checks the ownership and permissions of
> each containing directory all the way up the path.  So, in this case,
> if it doesn't like the permissions of /usr/local/etc/, moving it under
> /usr/local/etc/amanda/ won't actually avoid the error message -- it
> will still check /usr/local/etc/ because it's a parent of the
> .../amanda/ directory.
>
> Here's what Jean-Louis wrote on the topic back in Jun 2017:
>   The complete path to security.conf must be owned and writable only
> by the root user
>   [...]
>   That's why it is by default in /etc and not in /etc/amanda which
> must be writable by the amanda user.
>
>
> [*] for what it's worth, it's done in the function
> check_security_file_permission_message_recursive() found in
> common-src/security-file.c
>
> > To do that, I modified the Makefile in FreeBSD port to include the
> > option:
> >
> > --with-security-file=/usr/local/etc/amanda/amanda-security.conf
> >
> > [ In the case of FreeBSDm it was:
> >
> > --with-security-file=${ETCDIR}/amanda/amanda-security.conf
>
> Have you completed the build process with this configure parameter in
> place?  (I'm curious to hear if it did work as expected for you.)

No, I've ctl+c'd the script as soon as the not found error is reported in 
the configure summary.

Now I wasted another 1.5 hours by makeing the file root:root 0600 and 
putting it in /etc.  Same damned error from configure, not found. Of 
course its not found, configure as it exists, couldn't find its ass with 
both hands. The user amanda can see it just fine.

I appreciate that both of you are trying to help, but we're beating a 
dead horse here.

>
>   Nathan
>
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Re: Zmanda acquired from Carbonite by BETSOL -- future of Amanda development

[Stefan G. Weichinger]

Am 04.10.18 um 09:02 schrieb Gene Heskett:


Until there is a fix that works, this thread is a waste of bandwidth.


... and the non-modified thread subject is heavily misleading, btw.

Re: Zmanda acquired from Carbonite by BETSOL -- future of Amanda development

[Gene Heskett]

On Wednesday 03 October 2018 22:07:53 Olivier wrote:

> Gene,
>
> Sorry, I missed your message yesterday.
>
> > ERROR: picnc: selfcheck request failed: file/dir '/usr/local/etc'
> > (/usr/local/etc/amanda-security.conf) is writable by the group
> > Client check: 5 hosts checked in 11.356 seconds.  5 problems found.
> >
> > ...
> >
> > The man page says its to be in /etc/amanda, but since this is a
> > local build, its in /usr/local/etc/amanda.
>
> First, I see a discrepancy: the error messge places the file
> amanda-security.conf in /usr/local/etc while according to what you say
> later about the man page, you expect it to be in /usr/local/etc/amanda
>
> The error message is complaining about the mode of the directory, not
> about the file. But mode on /usr/local/etc are not for Amanda only,
> it's a system stuff, so it is not really realistic to change them.
>
> So the solution was to move the file to /usr/local/etc/amanda, as
> suggested by the man, where you can adjust the mode more to Amanda
> linking.
>
> To do that, I modified the Makefile in FreeBSD port to include the
> option:
>
> --with-security-file=/usr/local/etc/amanda/amanda-security.conf
>
> [ In the case of FreeBSDm it was:
>
> --with-security-file=${ETCDIR}/amanda/amanda-security.conf
>
I physically moved the file to

/usr/local/etc/amanda/Daily/amanda-security.conf, as shown in my last 
post.

and modified my script to match.

configure still cannot find it.

> I also informed the port maintener that there maybe a change needed]
>
> I hope that helps.
>
> Olivier



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Re: Zmanda acquired from Carbonite by BETSOL -- future of Amanda development

[Gene Heskett]

On Wednesday 03 October 2018 22:07:53 Olivier wrote:

> Gene,
>
> Sorry, I missed your message yesterday.
>
> > ERROR: picnc: selfcheck request failed: file/dir '/usr/local/etc'
> > (/usr/local/etc/amanda-security.conf) is writable by the group
> > Client check: 5 hosts checked in 11.356 seconds.  5 problems found.
> >
> > ...
> >
> > The man page says its to be in /etc/amanda, but since this is a
> > local build, its in /usr/local/etc/amanda.
>
> First, I see a discrepancy: the error messge places the file
> amanda-security.conf in /usr/local/etc while according to what you say
> later about the man page, you expect it to be in /usr/local/etc/amanda
>
> The error message is complaining about the mode of the directory, not
> about the file. But mode on /usr/local/etc are not for Amanda only,
> it's a system stuff, so it is not really realistic to change them.
>
> So the solution was to move the file to /usr/local/etc/amanda, as
> suggested by the man, where you can adjust the mode more to Amanda
> linking.
>
> To do that, I modified the Makefile in FreeBSD port to include the
> option:
>
> --with-security-file=/usr/local/etc/amanda/amanda-security.conf
>
> [ In the case of FreeBSDm it was:
>
> --with-security-file=${ETCDIR}/amanda/amanda-security.conf
>
> I also informed the port maintener that there maybe a change needed]
>
> I hope that helps.
>
> Olivier

May I be so rude as to point out 
that --with-security-file=/path/to/amanda-security.conf doesn't work 
according to the config output. I moved it 
to /usr/local/etc/amanda/Daily. It is there, and owned by amanda:disk, 
but configure reports:
./gh.cf: 
25: ./gh.cf: 
--with-security_file=/usr/local/etc/amanda/Daily/amanda-security.conf: 
not found

So I'll state that until now I hadn't noted your use of a dash whereas I 
was using and underscore, so I fixed that and reran the script, getting 
this at the synopsis at the end:

./gh.cf: 
25: ./gh.cf: 
--with-security-file=/usr/local/etc/amanda/Daily/amanda-security.conf: 
not found

But as amanda, ls -l /usr/local/etc/amanda/Daily returns
total 136
-rw-r--r-- 1 amanda disk 21488 Oct 25  2005 3hole.ps
-rw-r--r-- 1 amanda disk  5887 Oct 25  2005 8.5x11.ps
-rw-r--r-- 1 amanda disk 25389 Oct  3 09:49 amanda.conf
-rw-r--r-- 1 amanda disk 24655 Apr 20  2012 amanda.conf~
-rw-r--r-- 1 amanda disk  2034 Oct  2 14:26 amanda-security.conf <
-rw--- 1 amanda disk   222 Oct  3 12:36 chg-disk
-rw-r--r-- 1 amanda disk 2 Aug 24 13:42 chg-disk-access
-rw-r--r-- 1 amanda disk 3 Aug 24 13:42 chg-disk-clean
-rw-r--r-- 1 amanda disk 2 Aug 24 13:42 chg-disk-slot
-rw-r--r-- 1 amanda disk   765 May 22  2004 chg-scsi.conf
-rw--- 1 amanda disk16 Mar  4  2017 command_file
-rw-r--r-- 1 amanda disk  3977 Aug 30 06:28 disklist
-rw-r--r-- 1 amanda disk  5002 Apr  3  2012 disklist~
-rw--- 1 amanda disk  2566 Oct  3 12:24 tapelist
-rw--- 1 amanda disk  1071 Aug 24 13:22 tapelist.amlabel
lrwxrwxrwx 1 amanda disk 5 Mar  4  2017 tapelist.last_write -> 16356
-rw--- 1 amanda disk 0 Aug 31 03:03 tapelist.lock

Of what use is the option if it doesn't work?

An error message that tells you WHY its not found would at least hint at 
what it takes to fix it. Security by obscurity like this is a right 
PITA.

Until there is a fix that works, this thread is a waste of bandwidth.
Thank you for trying, Nathan and Oliver, its appreciated.

-- 
Cheers, Gene Heskett
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 soap, ballot, jury, and ammo. Please use in that order."
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Re: Zmanda acquired from Carbonite by BETSOL -- future of Amanda development

[Olivier]

> I don't have direct experience with 3.3.9, but as far as I can tell from
> the Amanda source repo [*], the 3.3.9 release does the same checks on
> the security-file path directories as 3.5, so off hand I'd still expect
> /usr/local/etc/amanda/ to cause an error on your system...  
>
> But perhaps FreeBSD's version is a different from upstream in regards to
> these checks, or something?

I did not go into the details, but FreeBSD ports are built by
downloading the official source from official repository and eventually
applying some specific patches. Some options can be applied at configure
time, but that are options that should exist in the original configure.sh

I can see no patch related to common-src/security-file.c so I expect
that file to be kept original. I confirm that the patching process does
not change security-file.c

Only security options set at configure time are:

 --with-bsdtcp-security
 --with-bsdudp-security
 --with-ssh-security
 --with-security-file=${ETCDIR}/amanda-security.conf


Provided that security-file.c is the same in 3.3.9 and 3.5, the only
reason I can see would be the fllowing that skips the recursive checking
of the path.

#ifdef SINGLE_USERID
uid_t ruid = getuid();
uid_t euid = geteuid();

if (ruid != 0 && euid != 0 && ruid == euid) {
amfree(quoted);
return TRUE;
}
#endif

Olivier

Re: Zmanda acquired from Carbonite by BETSOL -- future of Amanda development

[Nathan Stratton Treadway]

On Thu, Oct 04, 2018 at 11:12:03 +0700, Olivier wrote:
> Nathan Stratton Treadway  writes:
> 
> > (You are also running Amanda 3.5, right?)
> 
> No, only 3.3.9 (that's the latest port on FreeBSD). I wanted to confirm
> before sending my mail, but I forgot.

Hmmm, interesting.

I don't have direct experience with 3.3.9, but as far as I can tell from
the Amanda source repo [*], the 3.3.9 release does the same checks on
the security-file path directories as 3.5, so off hand I'd still expect
/usr/local/etc/amanda/ to cause an error on your system...  

But perhaps FreeBSD's version is a different from upstream in regards to
these checks, or something?

[*] 
https://sourceforge.net/p/amanda/code/HEAD/tree/amanda/tags/community_3_3_9/common-src/security-file.c#l223

Nathan


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Re: Zmanda acquired from Carbonite by BETSOL -- future of Amanda development

[Olivier]

Nathan Stratton Treadway  writes:

> (You are also running Amanda 3.5, right?)

No, only 3.3.9 (that's the latest port on FreeBSD). I wanted to confirm
before sending my mail, but I forgot.

Olivier



-- 

Re: Zmanda acquired from Carbonite by BETSOL -- future of Amanda development

[Nathan Stratton Treadway]

On Thu, Oct 04, 2018 at 10:28:28 +0700, Olivier wrote:
> > Have you completed the build process with this configure parameter in
> > place?  (I'm curious to hear if it did work as expected for you.)
> 
> Yes, and I just check the permission and ownership:
> 
> /, /usr, /usr/local/, /usr/local/etc belong to 0:0 with mode 755
> /usr/local/etc/amanda belongs to amanda:amanda with permission 755
> 
> The pamameter --with-security-file (used for ./configure I guess) is in
> the default FreeBSD port Makefile, I just moved it to
> /usr/local/etc/amanda.

And you are able to run an "amcheck" without getting any error using
this new build?  

Given that (unlike on Gene's system) all of your directories up through
/usr/local/etc/ are 0:0 and 755, I would expect amcheck to be happy with
the security-file path being "/usr/local/etc/amanda-security.conf" ... but
since /usr/local/etc/amanda/ is not owned by root, I would expect
amcheck to complain when the security-file path is
"/usr/local/etc/amanda/amanda-security.conf"

(You are also running Amanda 3.5, right?)

Nathan


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Re: Zmanda acquired from Carbonite by BETSOL -- future of Amanda development

[Olivier]

Nathan,

> While trying to figure out the error messages Gene was reporting I took
> a look at the source code that performs this security check [*] and

Maybe my error was not the same, but it did concern amanda-security.conf
permission. It was back in July, so my memory maybe confused :)

>> To do that, I modified the Makefile in FreeBSD port to include the
>> option:
>> 
>> --with-security-file=/usr/local/etc/amanda/amanda-security.conf
>> 
>> [ In the case of FreeBSDm it was:
>> 
>> --with-security-file=${ETCDIR}/amanda/amanda-security.conf
>> 
>
> Have you completed the build process with this configure parameter in
> place?  (I'm curious to hear if it did work as expected for you.)

Yes, and I just check the permission and ownership:

/, /usr, /usr/local/, /usr/local/etc belong to 0:0 with mode 755
/usr/local/etc/amanda belongs to amanda:amanda with permission 755

The pamameter --with-security-file (used for ./configure I guess) is in
the default FreeBSD port Makefile, I just moved it to
/usr/local/etc/amanda.

Regards,

Olivier

Re: Zmanda acquired from Carbonite by BETSOL -- future of Amanda development

[Nathan Stratton Treadway]

On Thu, Oct 04, 2018 at 09:07:53 +0700, Olivier wrote:
> The error message is complaining about the mode of the directory, not
> about the file. But mode on /usr/local/etc are not for Amanda only, it's
> a system stuff, so it is not really realistic to change them.
> 
> So the solution was to move the file to /usr/local/etc/amanda, as
> suggested by the man, where you can adjust the mode more to Amanda
> linking.

While trying to figure out the error messages Gene was reporting I took
a look at the source code that performs this security check [*] and
found that it specifically checks the ownership and permissions of each
containing directory all the way up the path.  So, in this case, if it
doesn't like the permissions of /usr/local/etc/, moving it under
/usr/local/etc/amanda/ won't actually avoid the error message -- it will
still check /usr/local/etc/ because it's a parent of the .../amanda/
directory.

Here's what Jean-Louis wrote on the topic back in Jun 2017:
  The complete path to security.conf must be owned and writable only by 
   
  the root user 
   
  [...]
  That's why it is by default in /etc and not in /etc/amanda which must 
   
  be writable by the amanda user.   
   


[*] for what it's worth, it's done in the function
check_security_file_permission_message_recursive() found in
common-src/security-file.c

> 
> To do that, I modified the Makefile in FreeBSD port to include the
> option:
> 
> --with-security-file=/usr/local/etc/amanda/amanda-security.conf
> 
> [ In the case of FreeBSDm it was:
> 
> --with-security-file=${ETCDIR}/amanda/amanda-security.conf
> 

Have you completed the build process with this configure parameter in
place?  (I'm curious to hear if it did work as expected for you.)

Nathan


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Re: Zmanda acquired from Carbonite by BETSOL -- future of Amanda development

[Olivier]

Gene,

Sorry, I missed your message yesterday.

> ERROR: picnc: selfcheck request failed: file/dir '/usr/local/etc' 
> (/usr/local/etc/amanda-security.conf) is writable by the group
> Client check: 5 hosts checked in 11.356 seconds.  5 problems found.
> 
> ...
> 
> The man page says its to be in /etc/amanda, but since this is a local 
> build, its in /usr/local/etc/amanda.

First, I see a discrepancy: the error messge places the file
amanda-security.conf in /usr/local/etc while according to what you say
later about the man page, you expect it to be in /usr/local/etc/amanda

The error message is complaining about the mode of the directory, not
about the file. But mode on /usr/local/etc are not for Amanda only, it's
a system stuff, so it is not really realistic to change them.

So the solution was to move the file to /usr/local/etc/amanda, as
suggested by the man, where you can adjust the mode more to Amanda
linking.

To do that, I modified the Makefile in FreeBSD port to include the
option:

--with-security-file=/usr/local/etc/amanda/amanda-security.conf

[ In the case of FreeBSDm it was:

--with-security-file=${ETCDIR}/amanda/amanda-security.conf

I also informed the port maintener that there maybe a change needed]

I hope that helps.

Olivier

Re: Zmanda acquired from Carbonite by BETSOL -- future of Amanda development?

[Chris Hoogendyk]

On 10/3/18 1:02 PM, Stefan G. Weichinger wrote:


Am 02.10.18 um 18:34 schrieb Ashwin Krishna:

Hi All,
  We propose to have the call on Oct 8th at 11 AM Mountain Time.


Is that 5 PM UTC or 7 PM CEST, correct? (I am located in Austria, EU)

maybe I find the time to at least listen in, your gotomeeting tool only allows to me to join via 
browser, no client available for Fedora linux (but that's ok).


Will there be a protocol?

@amanda-users: Who will attend?


You have the times correct.

I'm East Coast U.S., so it will be 1:00pm here.

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---

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 (*) \(*) -- 315 Morrill Science Center
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Re: Zmanda acquired from Carbonite by BETSOL -- future of Amanda development?

[Stefan G. Weichinger]

Am 02.10.18 um 18:34 schrieb Ashwin Krishna:

Hi All,
  
We propose to have the call on Oct 8th at 11 AM Mountain Time.


Is that 5 PM UTC or 7 PM CEST, correct? (I am located in Austria, EU)

maybe I find the time to at least listen in, your gotomeeting tool only 
allows to me to join via browser, no client available for Fedora linux 
(but that's ok).


Will there be a protocol?

@amanda-users: Who will attend?

Re: Zmanda acquired from Carbonite by BETSOL -- future of Amanda development?

[Gene Heskett]

On Tuesday 02 October 2018 14:15:25 Austin S. Hemmelgarn wrote:

> On 2018-10-02 13:29, Gene Heskett wrote:
> > On Tuesday 02 October 2018 12:34:40 Ashwin Krishna wrote:
> >> Hi All,
> >>
> >> We propose to have the call on Oct 8th at 11 AM Mountain Time.
> >>
> >> Agenda:
> >> *  Zmanda's Acquisition by BETSOL
> >> *  Attendee Introductions
> >> *  Existing Governance Model of Amanda Community
> >> *  Suggested changes to the Governance Model
> >> *  BETSOL's Commitment to Open Source Community
> >>
> >> We have taken a note of all the suggestions received on the mailing
> >> list and we will go through the same on the call.
> >>
> >> Meeting Details:
> >> Amanda Open Source Community Discussion
> >> Mon, Oct 8, 2018 11:00 AM - 12:00 PM MDT
> >> Please join my meeting from your computer, tablet or smartphone.
> >> https://global.gotomeeting.com/join/438069045
> >> You can also dial in using your phone.
> >> United States: +1 (786) 535-3211
> >> Access Code: 438-069-045
> >> First GoToMeeting? Let's do a quick system check:
> >> https://link.gotomeeting.com/system-check
> >>
> >> Regards,
> >> Ashwin Krishna
> >>
> >> -Original Message-
> >> From: Nathan Stratton Treadway 
> >> Sent: Thursday, September 27, 2018 9:01 PM
> >> To: Ashwin Krishna 
> >> Cc: amanda-users@amanda.org
> >> Subject: Re: Zmanda acquired from Carbonite by BETSOL -- future of
> >> Amanda development?
> >>
> >> Ashwin, thanks very much for getting in contact with the Amanda
> >> mailing list.
> >>
> >> On Thu, Sep 27, 2018 at 06:16:02 +, Ashwin Krishna wrote:
> >>> We are 100% committed to the open source community and will be
> >>> contributing to the code base to the best of our abilities.
> >>
> >> [...]
> >>
> >>> I want to assure you that we are actively investing in growing
> >>> Amanda and we have young enthusiastic engineers in the team.
> >>>
> >>> You can expect the next Amanda releases to include support for
> >>> newer versions of operating systems, defect fixes, security
> >>> enhancements etc.
> >>
> >> [...]
> >>
> >>> We have retained the team members that we could of previous Zmanda
> >>> team. I can tell you that it's not easy without support from the
> >>> community members. We encourage the community members to guide and
> >>> contribute as much as you can. If you need commit access to the
> >>> code base, please don't hesitate to reach out to us. You can
> >>> expect our commitment and support to you.
> >>
> >> On Thu, Sep 27, 2018 at 22:54:02 +, Ashwin Krishna wrote:
> >>> We are planning to host a conference call and would like all the
> >>> active admins and community members to join to have a discussion
> >>> with the Zmanda team at BETSOL regarding future collaborations.
> >>>
> >>> Will be sending out the meeting details (US time) with the agenda
> >>> later.
> >>
> >> It sounds like getting the new BETSOL team in direct contact with
> >> the admins for the mailing list and other amanda.org-related
> >> resources in an important step at this point.
> >>
> >>
> >> However, I would say that for many of us here on the list, the most
> >> notable change in the past 7 months is not related those things
> >> (which have continued to chug along as before), but rather the lack
> >> of "a developer" to move things along here on the public lists and
> >> in the public source repo.
> >>
> >> A decade or two ago it sounds like there were a number of
> >> developers involved, but more recently it's just been one or two
> >> Zmanda people who have served that role.
> >>
> >> Obviously this could be a good time to reconsider this arrangement
> >> if there are in fact other people ready to jump in, but off hand
> >> I'm guessing that what's likely to work going forward is for there
> >> to be a small number of BETSOL developers back in that role.
> >>
> >> As an Amanda user who has tried to contribute back a few
> >> improvements to the code line, I'm not really looking to have
> >> direct commit access myself, but rather hope to get back to someone
> >> (hanging out here on the mailing lists) who 

Re: Zmanda acquired from Carbonite by BETSOL -- future of Amanda development?

[Charles Curley]

On Tue, 2 Oct 2018 16:34:40 +
Ashwin Krishna  wrote:

> We propose to have the call on Oct 8th at 11 AM Mountain Time.

Works for me. Thank you.

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Re: Zmanda acquired from Carbonite by BETSOL -- future of Amanda development?

[Austin S. Hemmelgarn]

On 2018-10-02 13:29, Gene Heskett wrote:

On Tuesday 02 October 2018 12:34:40 Ashwin Krishna wrote:


Hi All,

We propose to have the call on Oct 8th at 11 AM Mountain Time.

Agenda:
*   Zmanda's Acquisition by BETSOL
*   Attendee Introductions
*   Existing Governance Model of Amanda Community
*   Suggested changes to the Governance Model
*   BETSOL's Commitment to Open Source Community

We have taken a note of all the suggestions received on the mailing
list and we will go through the same on the call.

Meeting Details:
Amanda Open Source Community Discussion
Mon, Oct 8, 2018 11:00 AM - 12:00 PM MDT
Please join my meeting from your computer, tablet or smartphone.
https://global.gotomeeting.com/join/438069045
You can also dial in using your phone.
United States: +1 (786) 535-3211
Access Code: 438-069-045
First GoToMeeting? Let's do a quick system check:
https://link.gotomeeting.com/system-check

Regards,
Ashwin Krishna

-Original Message-
From: Nathan Stratton Treadway 
Sent: Thursday, September 27, 2018 9:01 PM
To: Ashwin Krishna 
Cc: amanda-users@amanda.org
Subject: Re: Zmanda acquired from Carbonite by BETSOL -- future of
Amanda development?

Ashwin, thanks very much for getting in contact with the Amanda
mailing list.

On Thu, Sep 27, 2018 at 06:16:02 +, Ashwin Krishna wrote:

We are 100% committed to the open source community and will be
contributing to the code base to the best of our abilities.


[...]


I want to assure you that we are actively investing in growing
Amanda and we have young enthusiastic engineers in the team.

You can expect the next Amanda releases to include support for newer
versions of operating systems, defect fixes, security enhancements
etc.


[...]


We have retained the team members that we could of previous Zmanda
team. I can tell you that it's not easy without support from the
community members. We encourage the community members to guide and
contribute as much as you can. If you need commit access to the code
base, please don't hesitate to reach out to us. You can expect our
commitment and support to you.


On Thu, Sep 27, 2018 at 22:54:02 +, Ashwin Krishna wrote:

We are planning to host a conference call and would like all the
active admins and community members to join to have a discussion
with the Zmanda team at BETSOL regarding future collaborations.

Will be sending out the meeting details (US time) with the agenda
later.


It sounds like getting the new BETSOL team in direct contact with the
admins for the mailing list and other amanda.org-related resources in
an important step at this point.


However, I would say that for many of us here on the list, the most
notable change in the past 7 months is not related those things (which
have continued to chug along as before), but rather the lack of "a
developer" to move things along here on the public lists and in the
public source repo.

A decade or two ago it sounds like there were a number of developers
involved, but more recently it's just been one or two Zmanda people
who have served that role.

Obviously this could be a good time to reconsider this arrangement if
there are in fact other people ready to jump in, but off hand I'm
guessing that what's likely to work going forward is for there to be a
small number of BETSOL developers back in that role.

As an Amanda user who has tried to contribute back a few improvements
to the code line, I'm not really looking to have direct commit access
myself, but rather hope to get back to someone (hanging out here on
the mailing lists) who can take the patches I came up with hacking
around on my own system and understand whether or not they will really
work for everyone, and who will know which branches should have that
change pushed onto them, and what tweaks are needed to make the patch
apply to some older branch, etc.

So, here's hoping you all at BETSOL are soon able to identify
someone/a few people to take over that function, and patches and
discussions can start flowing again

Nathan

p.s. Personally I'd say that, rather than than a new major release
with support for newer versions of operating systems and whatnot.,
more urgent would be a minor release to gather up the handful of
bugfixes which have already been discussed since 3.5.1 came out and
get them published as part of an official release


+10, the 3.3.7p1 planner in particular is in serious need of help. It
refuses to adjust the schedule of the 3 largest members of my disklist,
choosing instead to do all three level 0's on the same run, so a 30 gig
average backup, has become 24 gigs for many nights, followed by a 60+
gig run using 3 vtapes. 5 or 6 tapelist cycles in a row now. I'd build
this mythical 3.5.1 but its been hidden someplace my browsing has not
found.

You should be able to get 3.5.1 here:
https://sourceforge.net/projects/amanda/files/amanda%20-%20stable/3.5.1/

That said, 3.5.1 doesn't seem 

Re: Zmanda acquired from Carbonite by BETSOL -- future of Amanda development?

[Gene Heskett]

On Tuesday 02 October 2018 12:34:40 Ashwin Krishna wrote:

> Hi All,
>
> We propose to have the call on Oct 8th at 11 AM Mountain Time.
>
> Agenda:
> * Zmanda's Acquisition by BETSOL
> * Attendee Introductions
> * Existing Governance Model of Amanda Community
> * Suggested changes to the Governance Model
> * BETSOL's Commitment to Open Source Community
>
> We have taken a note of all the suggestions received on the mailing
> list and we will go through the same on the call.
>
> Meeting Details:
> Amanda Open Source Community Discussion
> Mon, Oct 8, 2018 11:00 AM - 12:00 PM MDT
> Please join my meeting from your computer, tablet or smartphone.
> https://global.gotomeeting.com/join/438069045
> You can also dial in using your phone.
> United States: +1 (786) 535-3211
> Access Code: 438-069-045
> First GoToMeeting? Let's do a quick system check:
> https://link.gotomeeting.com/system-check
>
> Regards,
> Ashwin Krishna
>
> -Original Message-
> From: Nathan Stratton Treadway 
> Sent: Thursday, September 27, 2018 9:01 PM
> To: Ashwin Krishna 
> Cc: amanda-users@amanda.org
> Subject: Re: Zmanda acquired from Carbonite by BETSOL -- future of
> Amanda development?
>
> Ashwin, thanks very much for getting in contact with the Amanda
> mailing list.
>
> On Thu, Sep 27, 2018 at 06:16:02 +, Ashwin Krishna wrote:
> > We are 100% committed to the open source community and will be
> > contributing to the code base to the best of our abilities.
>
> [...]
>
> > I want to assure you that we are actively investing in growing
> > Amanda and we have young enthusiastic engineers in the team.
> >
> > You can expect the next Amanda releases to include support for newer
> > versions of operating systems, defect fixes, security enhancements
> > etc.
>
> [...]
>
> > We have retained the team members that we could of previous Zmanda
> > team. I can tell you that it's not easy without support from the
> > community members. We encourage the community members to guide and
> > contribute as much as you can. If you need commit access to the code
> > base, please don't hesitate to reach out to us. You can expect our
> > commitment and support to you.
>
> On Thu, Sep 27, 2018 at 22:54:02 +, Ashwin Krishna wrote:
> > We are planning to host a conference call and would like all the
> > active admins and community members to join to have a discussion
> > with the Zmanda team at BETSOL regarding future collaborations.
> >
> > Will be sending out the meeting details (US time) with the agenda
> > later.
>
> It sounds like getting the new BETSOL team in direct contact with the
> admins for the mailing list and other amanda.org-related resources in
> an important step at this point.
>
>
> However, I would say that for many of us here on the list, the most
> notable change in the past 7 months is not related those things (which
> have continued to chug along as before), but rather the lack of "a
> developer" to move things along here on the public lists and in the
> public source repo.
>
> A decade or two ago it sounds like there were a number of developers
> involved, but more recently it's just been one or two Zmanda people
> who have served that role.
>
> Obviously this could be a good time to reconsider this arrangement if
> there are in fact other people ready to jump in, but off hand I'm
> guessing that what's likely to work going forward is for there to be a
> small number of BETSOL developers back in that role.
>
> As an Amanda user who has tried to contribute back a few improvements
> to the code line, I'm not really looking to have direct commit access
> myself, but rather hope to get back to someone (hanging out here on
> the mailing lists) who can take the patches I came up with hacking
> around on my own system and understand whether or not they will really
> work for everyone, and who will know which branches should have that
> change pushed onto them, and what tweaks are needed to make the patch
> apply to some older branch, etc.
>
> So, here's hoping you all at BETSOL are soon able to identify
> someone/a few people to take over that function, and patches and
> discussions can start flowing again
>
>   Nathan
>
> p.s. Personally I'd say that, rather than than a new major release
> with support for newer versions of operating systems and whatnot.,
> more urgent would be a minor release to gather up the handful of
> bugfixes which have already been discussed since 3.5.1 came out and
> get them published as part of an official release

+10, the 3.3.7p1 planner

RE: Zmanda acquired from Carbonite by BETSOL -- future of Amanda development?

[Ashwin Krishna]

Hi All,
 
We propose to have the call on Oct 8th at 11 AM Mountain Time.
 
Agenda:
*   Zmanda's Acquisition by BETSOL
*   Attendee Introductions
*   Existing Governance Model of Amanda Community
*   Suggested changes to the Governance Model
*   BETSOL's Commitment to Open Source Community
 
We have taken a note of all the suggestions received on the mailing list and we 
will go through the same on the call.
 
Meeting Details:
Amanda Open Source Community Discussion 
Mon, Oct 8, 2018 11:00 AM - 12:00 PM MDT 
Please join my meeting from your computer, tablet or smartphone. 
https://global.gotomeeting.com/join/438069045 
You can also dial in using your phone. 
United States: +1 (786) 535-3211 
Access Code: 438-069-045 
First GoToMeeting? Let's do a quick system check: 
https://link.gotomeeting.com/system-check

Regards,
Ashwin Krishna

-Original Message-
From: Nathan Stratton Treadway  
Sent: Thursday, September 27, 2018 9:01 PM
To: Ashwin Krishna 
Cc: amanda-users@amanda.org
Subject: Re: Zmanda acquired from Carbonite by BETSOL -- future of Amanda 
development?

Ashwin, thanks very much for getting in contact with the Amanda mailing list.

On Thu, Sep 27, 2018 at 06:16:02 +, Ashwin Krishna wrote:
> We are 100% committed to the open source community and will be 
> contributing to the code base to the best of our abilities.
> 
[...]
> I want to assure you that we are actively investing in growing Amanda 
> and we have young enthusiastic engineers in the team.
>
> You can expect the next Amanda releases to include support for newer 
> versions of operating systems, defect fixes, security enhancements 
> etc.
>
[...]
> We have retained the team members that we could of previous Zmanda team.
> I can tell you that it's not easy without support from the community members. 
> We encourage the community members to guide and contribute as much as you can.
> If you need commit access to the code base, please don't hesitate to reach 
> out to us. 
> You can expect our commitment and support to you.

On Thu, Sep 27, 2018 at 22:54:02 +, Ashwin Krishna wrote:
> We are planning to host a conference call and would like all the 
> active admins and community members to join to have a discussion with 
> the Zmanda team at BETSOL regarding future collaborations.
> 
> Will be sending out the meeting details (US time) with the agenda later.  

It sounds like getting the new BETSOL team in direct contact with the admins 
for the mailing list and other amanda.org-related resources in an important 
step at this point.


However, I would say that for many of us here on the list, the most notable 
change in the past 7 months is not related those things (which have continued 
to chug along as before), but rather the lack of "a developer" to move things 
along here on the public lists and in the public source repo.

A decade or two ago it sounds like there were a number of developers involved, 
but more recently it's just been one or two Zmanda people who have served that 
role.

Obviously this could be a good time to reconsider this arrangement if there are 
in fact other people ready to jump in, but off hand I'm guessing that what's 
likely to work going forward is for there to be a small number of BETSOL 
developers back in that role.

As an Amanda user who has tried to contribute back a few improvements to the 
code line, I'm not really looking to have direct commit access myself, but 
rather hope to get back to someone (hanging out here on the mailing lists) who 
can take the patches I came up with hacking around on my own system and 
understand whether or not they will really work for everyone, and who will know 
which branches should have that change pushed onto them, and what tweaks are 
needed to make the patch apply to some older branch, etc.

So, here's hoping you all at BETSOL are soon able to identify someone/a few 
people to take over that function, and patches and discussions can start 
flowing again

Nathan

p.s. Personally I'd say that, rather than than a new major release with support 
for newer versions of operating systems and whatnot., more urgent would be a 
minor release to gather up the handful of bugfixes which have already been 
discussed since 3.5.1 came out and get them published as part of an official 
release



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Ray Ontko & Co.  -  Software consulting services  -   http://www.ontko.com/
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Re: Zmanda acquired from Carbonite by BETSOL -- future of Amanda development?

[Gene Heskett]

On Friday 28 September 2018 05:23:23 Stefan G. Weichinger wrote:

> Am 28.09.18 um 00:54 schrieb Ashwin Krishna:
> > Thanks Todd.
> >
> > We are planning to host a conference call and would like all the
> > active admins and community members to join to have a discussion
> > with the Zmanda team at BETSOL regarding future collaborations.
> >
> > Will be sending out the meeting details (US time) with the agenda
> > later.
>
> I suggest setting up a modern web-based forum + wiki + issue-tracker
> as it is common for other open source software projects. asap.

+1

> And clearly define who is in charge on side of BETSOL ... plus explain
> the role of Jean-Louis as he has been the one and only programmer
> continually communicating with the amanda-users over the last years.

+1

> The old "amanda core team" isn't of much meaning anymore (I am still
> part of it because of some documentation work back then).
>
> Since Zmanda entered the stage we all were quite confused as
> communication paths were rather fuzzy to say the least.

I'd say Zmanda didn't intend to share back to amanda, any changes or 
bugfixes they may have done to Zmanda, as a method to differentiate that 
Zmanda was better. What did get back often served to make amanda 
difficult to build without any actually visible improvement results.  
This is a Microsoft characteristic, and its not at all pleasant for us 
users.

> Please don't continue this.

+10

I'm not much, but what we've read here, so far, has been market speak.

Copyright 2018 by Maurice E. Heskett
-- 
Cheers, Gene Heskett
--
"There are four boxes to be used in defense of liberty:
 soap, ballot, jury, and ammo. Please use in that order."
-Ed Howdershelt (Author)
Genes Web page 

Re: Zmanda acquired from Carbonite by BETSOL -- future of Amanda development?

[Stefan G. Weichinger]

Am 28.09.18 um 00:54 schrieb Ashwin Krishna:

Thanks Todd.

We are planning to host a conference call and would like all the active admins 
and community members to join to have a discussion with the Zmanda team at 
BETSOL regarding future collaborations.

Will be sending out the meeting details (US time) with the agenda later.


I suggest setting up a modern web-based forum + wiki + issue-tracker as 
it is common for other open source software projects. asap.


And clearly define who is in charge on side of BETSOL ... plus explain 
the role of Jean-Louis as he has been the one and only programmer 
continually communicating with the amanda-users over the last years.


The old "amanda core team" isn't of much meaning anymore (I am still 
part of it because of some documentation work back then).


Since Zmanda entered the stage we all were quite confused as 
communication paths were rather fuzzy to say the least.


Please don't continue this.

Re: Zmanda acquired from Carbonite by BETSOL -- future of Amanda development?

[Nathan Stratton Treadway]

Ashwin, thanks very much for getting in contact with the Amanda mailing
list.

On Thu, Sep 27, 2018 at 06:16:02 +, Ashwin Krishna wrote:
> We are 100% committed to the open source community and will be
> contributing to the code base to the best of our abilities.
> 
[...]
> I want to assure you that we are actively investing in growing Amanda
> and we have young enthusiastic engineers in the team.
>
> You can expect the next Amanda releases to include support for newer
> versions of operating systems, defect fixes, security enhancements
> etc.
>
[...]
> We have retained the team members that we could of previous Zmanda team.
> I can tell you that it's not easy without support from the community members. 
> We encourage the community members to guide and contribute as much as you can.
> If you need commit access to the code base, please don't hesitate to reach 
> out to us. 
> You can expect our commitment and support to you.

On Thu, Sep 27, 2018 at 22:54:02 +, Ashwin Krishna wrote:
> We are planning to host a conference call and would like all the
> active admins and community members to join to have a discussion with
> the Zmanda team at BETSOL regarding future collaborations.
> 
> Will be sending out the meeting details (US time) with the agenda later.  

It sounds like getting the new BETSOL team in direct contact with
the admins for the mailing list and other amanda.org-related resources
in an important step at this point.


However, I would say that for many of us here on the list, the most
notable change in the past 7 months is not related those things (which
have continued to chug along as before), but rather the lack of "a
developer" to move things along here on the public lists and in the
public source repo.

A decade or two ago it sounds like there were a number of developers
involved, but more recently it's just been one or two Zmanda people who
have served that role.

Obviously this could be a good time to reconsider this arrangement if
there are in fact other people ready to jump in, but off hand I'm
guessing that what's likely to work going forward is for there to be
a small number of BETSOL developers back in that role.

As an Amanda user who has tried to contribute back a few improvements to
the code line, I'm not really looking to have direct commit access
myself, but rather hope to get back to someone (hanging out here on the
mailing lists) who can take the patches I came up with hacking around on
my own system and understand whether or not they will really work for
everyone, and who will know which branches should have that change
pushed onto them, and what tweaks are needed to make the patch apply to
some older branch, etc.

So, here's hoping you all at BETSOL are soon able to identify someone/a
few people to take over that function, and patches and discussions can
start flowing again

Nathan

p.s. Personally I'd say that, rather than than a new major release with
support for newer versions of operating systems and whatnot., more
urgent would be a minor release to gather up the handful of bugfixes
which have already been discussed since 3.5.1 came out and get them
published as part of an official release



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Re: Zmanda acquired from Carbonite by BETSOL -- future of Amanda development?

[Todd M. Kover]

 > > The web stuff is hosted at sourceforge and anyone with commit access
 > > there is able to update it/maintain it.  The code transitioned to
 > > github, but the website stayed behind.
 >
 > That's interesting ... there's still this wiki page
 > http://wiki.zmanda.com/index.php/Fork_Amanda_on_Github
 > saying svn is "the reference source repository" and
 > github is "never far behind". Is that still accurate, or
 > is it out of date and github is now authoritative?
 >
 > I think both Jean-Louis and Ashwin have mentioned 'svn write
 > access' in the past day or so.

I apologize, I spoke out of turn.  svn is still the master and github is
sync'd.

-Todd

Re: Zmanda acquired from Carbonite by BETSOL -- future of Amanda development?

[Schlacta, Christopher]

I'm not an active community member, but I'd be interested in getting a
podcast of this conference made available after the fact!
On Thu, Sep 27, 2018 at 3:55 PM Ashwin Krishna
 wrote:
>
> Thanks Todd.
>
> We are planning to host a conference call and would like all the active 
> admins and community members to join to have a discussion with the Zmanda 
> team at BETSOL regarding future collaborations.
>
> Will be sending out the meeting details (US time) with the agenda later.
>
> Regards,
> Ashwin Krishna
>
> -Original Message-
> From: Todd M. Kover 
> Sent: Thursday, September 27, 2018 4:24 PM
> To: J Chapman Flack 
> Cc: Ashwin Krishna ; Gene Heskett 
> ; amanda-users@amanda.org
> Subject: Re: Zmanda acquired from Carbonite by BETSOL -- future of Amanda 
> development?
>
>  > > I have reached out to members of -- owner-amanda-users group,  > > 
> postmas...@amanda.org , webmas...@amanda.org in the past offering  > > our 
> help and support to maintain amanda community.
>  >
>  > It's possible I've never known this -- who are the people who  > maintain 
> the amanda.org website and mailing lists, or receive  > 
> postmaster/webmaster/-owner mail?
>
> The web stuff is hosted at sourceforge and anyone with commit access there is 
> able to update it/maintain it.  The code transitioned to github, but the 
> website stayed behind.
>
> Mailing lists (and amanda.org itself) is me.  I'm a cs/umd-alumni who used to 
> be part of the amanda core team when there was such a thing and also did some 
> development for a period, before zmanda.  (I'm also someone who still runs 
> amanda...).  I have no affiliation with zmanda or carbonite or betsol.
>
> There was a time when there was a core team who dealt with the overall care 
> and feeding of the project, but that kind of went by the wayside when Zmanda 
> stepped in and built a commercial project around it.  I have resisted folding 
> the amanda.org stuff into the commercial projects (both at zmanda and since), 
> believing that the community is really the team that should call the shots, 
> which has essentailly meant amanda-hackers, historically.  Ultimately, it is 
> a matter of who is willing to give time to the project, which it sounds like 
> betsol is, which is great news.
>
> -Todd
>

Re: Zmanda acquired from Carbonite by BETSOL -- future of Amanda development?

[J Chapman Flack]

On 09/27/2018 06:24 PM, Todd M. Kover wrote:

> The web stuff is hosted at sourceforge and anyone with commit access
> there is able to update it/maintain it.  The code transitioned to
> github, but the website stayed behind.

That's interesting ... there's still this wiki page
http://wiki.zmanda.com/index.php/Fork_Amanda_on_Github
saying svn is "the reference source repository" and
github is "never far behind". Is that still accurate, or
is it out of date and github is now authoritative?

I think both Jean-Louis and Ashwin have mentioned 'svn write
access' in the past day or so.

-Chap

RE: Zmanda acquired from Carbonite by BETSOL -- future of Amanda development?

[Ashwin Krishna]

Thanks Todd.

We are planning to host a conference call and would like all the active admins 
and community members to join to have a discussion with the Zmanda team at 
BETSOL regarding future collaborations.

Will be sending out the meeting details (US time) with the agenda later.  

Regards,
Ashwin Krishna  

-Original Message-
From: Todd M. Kover  
Sent: Thursday, September 27, 2018 4:24 PM
To: J Chapman Flack 
Cc: Ashwin Krishna ; Gene Heskett 
; amanda-users@amanda.org
Subject: Re: Zmanda acquired from Carbonite by BETSOL -- future of Amanda 
development?

 > > I have reached out to members of -- owner-amanda-users group,  > > 
 > > postmas...@amanda.org , webmas...@amanda.org in the past offering  > > our 
 > > help and support to maintain amanda community. 
 >
 > It's possible I've never known this -- who are the people who  > maintain 
 > the amanda.org website and mailing lists, or receive  > 
 > postmaster/webmaster/-owner mail?

The web stuff is hosted at sourceforge and anyone with commit access there is 
able to update it/maintain it.  The code transitioned to github, but the 
website stayed behind.

Mailing lists (and amanda.org itself) is me.  I'm a cs/umd-alumni who used to 
be part of the amanda core team when there was such a thing and also did some 
development for a period, before zmanda.  (I'm also someone who still runs 
amanda...).  I have no affiliation with zmanda or carbonite or betsol.

There was a time when there was a core team who dealt with the overall care and 
feeding of the project, but that kind of went by the wayside when Zmanda 
stepped in and built a commercial project around it.  I have resisted folding 
the amanda.org stuff into the commercial projects (both at zmanda and since), 
believing that the community is really the team that should call the shots, 
which has essentailly meant amanda-hackers, historically.  Ultimately, it is a 
matter of who is willing to give time to the project, which it sounds like 
betsol is, which is great news.

-Todd

Re: Zmanda acquired from Carbonite by BETSOL -- future of Amanda development?

[Todd M. Kover]

 > > I have reached out to members of -- owner-amanda-users group,
 > > postmas...@amanda.org , webmas...@amanda.org in the past offering
 > > our help and support to maintain amanda community. 
 >
 > It's possible I've never known this -- who are the people who
 > maintain the amanda.org website and mailing lists, or receive
 > postmaster/webmaster/-owner mail?

The web stuff is hosted at sourceforge and anyone with commit access
there is able to update it/maintain it.  The code transitioned to
github, but the website stayed behind.

Mailing lists (and amanda.org itself) is me.  I'm a cs/umd-alumni who
used to be part of the amanda core team when there was such a thing
and also did some development for a period, before zmanda.  (I'm also
someone who still runs amanda...).  I have no affiliation with zmanda or
carbonite or betsol.

There was a time when there was a core team who dealt with the overall
care and feeding of the project, but that kind of went by the wayside
when Zmanda stepped in and built a commercial project around it.  I have
resisted folding the amanda.org stuff into the commercial projects (both
at zmanda and since), believing that the community is really the team
that should call the shots, which has essentailly meant amanda-hackers,
historically.  Ultimately, it is a matter of who is willing to give time
to the project, which it sounds like betsol is, which is great news.

-Todd

Re: Zmanda acquired from Carbonite by BETSOL -- future of Amanda development?

[Chris Hoogendyk]

So, the trick is to look at the headers of a list email message and see that the server sending them 
out is at omniscient.com. It is another company which, similarly to Zmanda, Carbonite and BETSOL, 
has made use of the opensource Amanda and contributed back by, in this case, hosting the lists. But, 
they seem to be semi-invisible in the background. I don't know who the actual people are.


Similarly, looking up amanda.org on whois.icann.org turns up Omniscient 
Technologies.

Been that way for at least 10 years, probably longer.


On 9/27/18 4:28 PM, J Chapman Flack wrote:

On 09/27/2018 11:05 AM, Ashwin Krishna wrote:


I have reached out to members of -- owner-amanda-users group,
postmas...@amanda.org , webmas...@amanda.org in the past offering
our help and support to maintain amanda community.

It's possible I've never known this -- who are the people who
maintain the amanda.org website and mailing lists, or receive
postmaster/webmaster/-owner mail?

Have they been Carbonite people in the past, or volunteers from
the larger community? Are they credited somewhere?

-Chap



--
---

Chris Hoogendyk

-
   O__   Systems Administrator
  c/ /'_ --- Biology & Geosciences Departments
 (*) \(*) -- 315 Morrill Science Center
~~ - University of Massachusetts, Amherst



---

Erdös 4

Re: Zmanda acquired from Carbonite by BETSOL -- future of Amanda development?

[J Chapman Flack]

On 09/27/2018 11:05 AM, Ashwin Krishna wrote:

> I have reached out to members of -- owner-amanda-users group,
> postmas...@amanda.org , webmas...@amanda.org in the past offering
> our help and support to maintain amanda community. 

It's possible I've never known this -- who are the people who
maintain the amanda.org website and mailing lists, or receive
postmaster/webmaster/-owner mail?

Have they been Carbonite people in the past, or volunteers from
the larger community? Are they credited somewhere?

-Chap

RE: Zmanda acquired from Carbonite by BETSOL -- future of Amanda development?

[Ashwin Krishna]

** resending ** 

-Original Message-
From: Ashwin Krishna 
Sent: Thursday, September 27, 2018 9:05 AM
To: 'Gene Heskett' ; amanda-users@amanda.org
Subject: RE: Zmanda acquired from Carbonite by BETSOL -- future of Amanda 
development?

> Your position in BETSOL is?
I work as a Developer.

> Did you try asking?  
I have reached out to members of -- owner-amanda-users group, 
postmas...@amanda.org , webmas...@amanda.org in the past offering our help and 
support to maintain amanda community. 

> So, you tell us whats in the pipeline. And when we can test drive the new, 
> improved model. If it will build, we'll test it.
Surely, will keep the group posted about whats coming ahead. Thanks Gene 
Heskett 

Regards,
Ashwin Krishna

-Original Message-
From: owner-amanda-us...@amanda.org  On Behalf 
Of Gene Heskett
Sent: Thursday, September 27, 2018 1:26 AM
To: amanda-users@amanda.org
Subject: Re: Zmanda acquired from Carbonite by BETSOL -- future of Amanda 
development?

On Thursday 27 September 2018 02:16:02 Ashwin Krishna wrote:

Your position in BETSOL is?

> My apologies for not being able to respond to your mails sooner.
> BETSOL is very proud of Zmanda's open source heritage and community.
> We are 100% committed to the open source community and will be 
> contributing to the code base to the best of our abilities.
>
This first email from someone at BETSOL is several months overdue. That gives 
the impression that the word "fork" was not something you expected.

> I understand that we were not able to contribute as per the 
> expectations in the last couple of months. I want to assure you that 
> we are actively investing in growing Amanda and we have young 
> enthusiastic engineers in the team. You can expect the next Amanda 
> releases to include support for newer versions of operating systems, 
> defect fixes, security enhancements etc.
>
> We have retained the team members that we could of previous Zmanda 
> team. I can tell you that it's not easy without support from the 
> community members.

Did you try asking?  Not that I've seen here. :( As a common, long term user, 
my oar to propel amanda is only toothpick sized. But I can be an outspoken old 
fool when something I've invested quite a bit of time writing a wrapper for it, 
is in danger of going away. I am also a subscriber to the universal rule 
TANSTAAFL.

All I ask is to keep up with the tar folks, who were less than helpfull with 
all the turmoil 2 or 3 years ago in that camp. Now its settled for a while, and 
all I'd like is a little less aggression in promoting level 0's. Its possible I 
could fix that, but the docs don't teach that. They need help, but this is true 
of a lot of gpl'd stuff.

For a while 3 or so years ago, I ran the latest 4.0 previews, playing the 
canary in the coal mine, but it got hard to build with wheezy's toolbox, so I 
dropped back to 3.3.7p1. For other reasons much of this local network is 
running debian wheezy. Progress is being made toward a working stretch install 
image, which will probably work if stretch ever gets its network problems 
sorted.  At that time there will be 6 machines here that will be switched. That 
will upgrade the toolbox.

So, you tell us whats in the pipeline. And when we can test drive the new, 
improved model. If it will build, we'll test it.

> We encourage the community members to guide and contribute as much as 
> you can. If you need commit access to the code base, please don't 
> hesitate to reach out to us. You can expect our commitment and support 
> to you.
>
> Thanks and Regards,
> Ashwin Krishna

--
Cheers, Gene Heskett
--
"There are four boxes to be used in defense of liberty:
 soap, ballot, jury, and ammo. Please use in that order."
-Ed Howdershelt (Author)
Genes Web page <http://geneslinuxbox.net:6309/gene>

RE: Zmanda acquired from Carbonite by BETSOL -- future of Amanda development?

[Ashwin Krishna]

> Your position in BETSOL is?
I work as a Developer.

> Did you try asking?  
I have reached out to members of -- owner-amanda-users group, 
postmas...@amanda.org , webmas...@amanda.org in the past offering our help and 
support to maintain amanda community. 

> So, you tell us whats in the pipeline. And when we can test drive the new, 
> improved model. If it will build, we'll test it.
Surely, will keep the group posted about whats coming ahead. Thanks Gene 
Heskett 

Regards,
Ashwin Krishna

-Original Message-
From: owner-amanda-us...@amanda.org  On Behalf 
Of Gene Heskett
Sent: Thursday, September 27, 2018 1:26 AM
To: amanda-users@amanda.org
Subject: Re: Zmanda acquired from Carbonite by BETSOL -- future of Amanda 
development?

On Thursday 27 September 2018 02:16:02 Ashwin Krishna wrote:

Your position in BETSOL is?

> My apologies for not being able to respond to your mails sooner.
> BETSOL is very proud of Zmanda's open source heritage and community.
> We are 100% committed to the open source community and will be 
> contributing to the code base to the best of our abilities.
>
This first email from someone at BETSOL is several months overdue. That gives 
the impression that the word "fork" was not something you expected.

> I understand that we were not able to contribute as per the 
> expectations in the last couple of months. I want to assure you that 
> we are actively investing in growing Amanda and we have young 
> enthusiastic engineers in the team. You can expect the next Amanda 
> releases to include support for newer versions of operating systems, 
> defect fixes, security enhancements etc.
>
> We have retained the team members that we could of previous Zmanda 
> team. I can tell you that it's not easy without support from the 
> community members.

Did you try asking?  Not that I've seen here. :( As a common, long term user, 
my oar to propel amanda is only toothpick sized. But I can be an outspoken old 
fool when something I've invested quite a bit of time writing a wrapper for it, 
is in danger of going away. I am also a subscriber to the universal rule 
TANSTAAFL.

All I ask is to keep up with the tar folks, who were less than helpfull with 
all the turmoil 2 or 3 years ago in that camp. Now its settled for a while, and 
all I'd like is a little less aggression in promoting level 0's. Its possible I 
could fix that, but the docs don't teach that. They need help, but this is true 
of a lot of gpl'd stuff.

For a while 3 or so years ago, I ran the latest 4.0 previews, playing the 
canary in the coal mine, but it got hard to build with wheezy's toolbox, so I 
dropped back to 3.3.7p1. For other reasons much of this local network is 
running debian wheezy. Progress is being made toward a working stretch install 
image, which will probably work if stretch ever gets its network problems 
sorted.  At that time there will be 6 machines here that will be switched. That 
will upgrade the toolbox.

So, you tell us whats in the pipeline. And when we can test drive the new, 
improved model. If it will build, we'll test it.

> We encourage the community members to guide and contribute as much as 
> you can. If you need commit access to the code base, please don't 
> hesitate to reach out to us. You can expect our commitment and support 
> to you.
>
> Thanks and Regards,
> Ashwin Krishna

--
Cheers, Gene Heskett
--
"There are four boxes to be used in defense of liberty:
 soap, ballot, jury, and ammo. Please use in that order."
-Ed Howdershelt (Author)
Genes Web page <http://geneslinuxbox.net:6309/gene>

Re: Zmanda acquired from Carbonite by BETSOL -- future of Amanda development?

[Gene Heskett]

On Thursday 27 September 2018 02:16:02 Ashwin Krishna wrote:

Your position in BETSOL is?

> My apologies for not being able to respond to your mails sooner.
> BETSOL is very proud of Zmanda's open source heritage and community.
> We are 100% committed to the open source community and will be
> contributing to the code base to the best of our abilities.
>
This first email from someone at BETSOL is several months overdue. That 
gives the impression that the word "fork" was not something you 
expected.

> I understand that we were not able to contribute as per the
> expectations in the last couple of months. I want to assure you that
> we are actively investing in growing Amanda and we have young
> enthusiastic engineers in the team. You can expect the next Amanda
> releases to include support for newer versions of operating systems,
> defect fixes, security enhancements etc.
>
> We have retained the team members that we could of previous Zmanda
> team. I can tell you that it's not easy without support from the
> community members.

Did you try asking?  Not that I've seen here. :( As a common, long term 
user, my oar to propel amanda is only toothpick sized. But I can be an 
outspoken old fool when something I've invested quite a bit of time 
writing a wrapper for it, is in danger of going away. I am also a 
subscriber to the universal rule TANSTAAFL.

All I ask is to keep up with the tar folks, who were less than helpfull 
with all the turmoil 2 or 3 years ago in that camp. Now its settled for 
a while, and all I'd like is a little less aggression in promoting level 
0's. Its possible I could fix that, but the docs don't teach that. They 
need help, but this is true of a lot of gpl'd stuff.

For a while 3 or so years ago, I ran the latest 4.0 previews, playing the 
canary in the coal mine, but it got hard to build with wheezy's toolbox, 
so I dropped back to 3.3.7p1. For other reasons much of this local 
network is running debian wheezy. Progress is being made toward a 
working stretch install image, which will probably work if stretch ever 
gets its network problems sorted.  At that time there will be 6 machines 
here that will be switched. That will upgrade the toolbox.

So, you tell us whats in the pipeline. And when we can test drive the 
new, improved model. If it will build, we'll test it.

> We encourage the community members to guide and 
> contribute as much as you can. If you need commit access to the code
> base, please don't hesitate to reach out to us. You can expect our
> commitment and support to you.
>
> Thanks and Regards,
> Ashwin Krishna

-- 
Cheers, Gene Heskett
--
"There are four boxes to be used in defense of liberty:
 soap, ballot, jury, and ammo. Please use in that order."
-Ed Howdershelt (Author)
Genes Web page 

RE: Zmanda acquired from Carbonite by BETSOL -- future of Amanda development?

[Ashwin Krishna]

My apologies for not being able to respond to your mails sooner. BETSOL is very 
proud of Zmanda's open source heritage and community.
We are 100% committed to the open source community and will be contributing to 
the code base to the best of our abilities.

I understand that we were not able to contribute as per the expectations in the 
last couple of months.
I want to assure you that we are actively investing in growing Amanda and we 
have young enthusiastic engineers in the team.
You can expect the next Amanda releases to include support for newer versions 
of operating systems, defect fixes, security enhancements etc.

We have retained the team members that we could of previous Zmanda team.
I can tell you that it's not easy without support from the community members. 
We encourage the community members to guide and contribute as much as you can.
If you need commit access to the code base, please don't hesitate to reach out 
to us. 
You can expect our commitment and support to you.

Thanks and Regards,
Ashwin Krishna

-Original Message-
From: owner-amanda-us...@amanda.org  On Behalf 
Of Olivier
Sent: Wednesday, September 26, 2018 8:34 PM
To: Jean-Louis Martineau 
Cc: cnighswon...@foundations.edu; ghesk...@shentel.net; amanda-users@amanda.org
Subject: Re: Zmanda acquired from Carbonite by BETSOL -- future of Amanda 
development?

Jean-Louis Martineau  writes:

> [1:text/plain Show]
>
>
> [2:text/html Hide Save:noname (3kB)]
>
> Don't fork.
>
> I can give write access to the SVN repository to people that ask for.

As a long time user of Amanda (not 20 years, only 18 :) I would be gutted to 
see it die too.

Though I am not sure I can do much to contribute.

Thank you,

Olivier

> Jean-Louis
>
> Le mer. 26 sept. 2018, à 13 h 39, Chris Nighswonger 
>  a écrit :
>
>  On Wed, Sep 26, 2018 at 1:31 PM Gene Heskett  wrote:
>
>  Fork it if someone has a long term interest in seeing a good, long 
> term  backup solution keep sucking air regularly.
>
>  Said by a 20 year user of amanda.
>
>  +1 to forking.
>
>  Chris
>

-- 

Re: Zmanda acquired from Carbonite by BETSOL -- future of Amanda development?

[Olivier]

Jean-Louis Martineau  writes:

> [1:text/plain Show]
>
>
> [2:text/html Hide Save:noname (3kB)]
>
> Don't fork.
>
> I can give write access to the SVN repository to people that ask for.

As a long time user of Amanda (not 20 years, only 18 :) I would be
gutted to see it die too.

Though I am not sure I can do much to contribute.

Thank you,

Olivier

> Jean-Louis
>
> Le mer. 26 sept. 2018, à 13 h 39, Chris Nighswonger 
>  a écrit :
>
>  On Wed, Sep 26, 2018 at 1:31 PM Gene Heskett  wrote:
>
>  Fork it if someone has a long term interest in seeing a good, long term 
>  backup solution keep sucking air regularly.
>
>  Said by a 20 year user of amanda.
>
>  +1 to forking.
>
>  Chris
>

-- 

Re: Zmanda acquired from Carbonite by BETSOL -- future of Amanda development?

[J Chapman Flack]

On 09/26/2018 02:13 PM, J Chapman Flack wrote:

> Does anyone know what became of Jean-Louis Martineau

I see that my last email crossed with one from him. :)

Re: Zmanda acquired from Carbonite by BETSOL -- future of Amanda development?

[J Chapman Flack]

On 09/26/2018 01:35 PM, Chris Nighswonger wrote:
> On Wed, Sep 26, 2018 at 1:31 PM Gene Heskett  wrote:
>> Fork it if someone has a long term interest in seeing a good, long term
>> backup solution keep sucking air regularly.
>>
>> Said by a 20 year user of amanda.
> 
> +1 to forking.

Is there some one organization among the long-term users of amanda
that would be a natural choice as keeper of a community fork?
Should a dedicated organization be created for the purpose?

Does anyone know what became of Jean-Louis Martineau in the sale
to BETSOL, or whether he still has interest and time for the project?

I would be happy to contribute to a forked community amanda (or
whatever it might be called, if "amanda" trademark rights are in
question). I still have a batch of contributions I was working with
Jean-Louis to get pushed a year or so ago, but it seems we both got
pulled onto other things.

However, I don't have the bandwidth available to be a maintainer
of a fork

-Chap

Re: Zmanda acquired from Carbonite by BETSOL -- future of Amanda development?

[Gene Heskett]

On Wednesday 26 September 2018 14:01:27 Jean-Louis Martineau wrote:

> Don't fork.
>
> I can give write access to the SVN repository to people that ask for.

Thats fine Jean-Louis. But I don't feel I have the mental talent left to 
do that w/o inadvertently screwing things up, I'd much rather go back to 
playing the canary in the coal mine like I did years ago. But I've had a 
usually fatal pulmonary embolism since those days, and now find I have 
an iron or 2 too many in the fire already. Expected, I'll be 84 late 
next week.

> Jean-Louis
>
> Le mer. 26 sept. 2018, à 13 h 39, Chris Nighswonger <
>
> cnighswon...@foundations.edu> a écrit :
> > On Wed, Sep 26, 2018 at 1:31 PM Gene Heskett  
wrote:
> >> Fork it if someone has a long term interest in seeing a good, long
> >> term backup solution keep sucking air regularly.
> >>
> >> Said by a 20 year user of amanda.
> >
> > +1 to forking.
> >
> > Chris



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Re: Zmanda acquired from Carbonite by BETSOL -- future of Amanda development?

[Gene Heskett]

On Wednesday 26 September 2018 13:53:01 Stefan G. Weichinger wrote:

> Am 26.09.18 um 19:35 schrieb Chris Nighswonger:
> > On Wed, Sep 26, 2018 at 1:31 PM Gene Heskett  > > wrote:
> >
> >
> > Fork it if someone has a long term interest in seeing a good,
> > long term backup solution keep sucking air regularly.
> >
> > Said by a 20 year user of amanda.
> >
> >
> > +1 to forking.
>
> forking: ok, good
>
> but who knows the code and is able to maintain and develop ... ?
>
> maybe the amanda-hackers list has some candidates?

You might be one candidate Stefan, I know you've contributed to this list 
from time to time. I've never been on the hackers list, so I'm not 
familiar with who's there and their qualifications. I just sent a 
subscribe msg to it.


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--
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Re: Zmanda acquired from Carbonite by BETSOL -- future of Amanda development?

[Jean-Louis Martineau]

Don't fork.

I can give write access to the SVN repository to people that ask for.

Jean-Louis

Le mer. 26 sept. 2018, à 13 h 39, Chris Nighswonger <
cnighswon...@foundations.edu> a écrit :

> On Wed, Sep 26, 2018 at 1:31 PM Gene Heskett  wrote:
>
>>
>> Fork it if someone has a long term interest in seeing a good, long term
>> backup solution keep sucking air regularly.
>>
>> Said by a 20 year user of amanda.
>>
>
> +1 to forking.
>
> Chris
>

Re: Zmanda acquired from Carbonite by BETSOL -- future of Amanda development?

[Charles Curley]

On Wed, 26 Sep 2018 13:24:52 -0400
Gene Heskett  wrote:

> Fork it if someone has a long term interest in seeing a good, long
> term backup solution keep sucking air regularly.
> 
> Said by a 20 year user of amanda.

I am interested. Also a user of Amanda for a long time.

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Re: Zmanda acquired from Carbonite by BETSOL -- future of Amanda development?

[Stefan G. Weichinger]

Am 26.09.18 um 19:35 schrieb Chris Nighswonger:
On Wed, Sep 26, 2018 at 1:31 PM Gene Heskett > wrote:



Fork it if someone has a long term interest in seeing a good, long term
backup solution keep sucking air regularly.

Said by a 20 year user of amanda.


+1 to forking.


forking: ok, good

but who knows the code and is able to maintain and develop ... ?

maybe the amanda-hackers list has some candidates?

Re: Zmanda acquired from Carbonite by BETSOL -- future of Amanda development?

[Chris Nighswonger]

On Wed, Sep 26, 2018 at 1:31 PM Gene Heskett  wrote:

>
> Fork it if someone has a long term interest in seeing a good, long term
> backup solution keep sucking air regularly.
>
> Said by a 20 year user of amanda.
>

+1 to forking.

Chris

Re: Zmanda acquired from Carbonite by BETSOL -- future of Amanda development?

[Gene Heskett]

On Wednesday 26 September 2018 10:00:47 Ian Turner wrote:

> FWIW the Zmanda wiki hasn't had any substantive updates since January,
> but notes that as of August Ashwin Krishna is a Zmanda developer and
> the "maintainer of open source amanda code at sourceforge".
>
>   Original Message  
> From: Nathan Stratton Treadway
> Sent: Wednesday, September 26, 2018 12:15 AM
> To: amanda-hack...@amanda.org; amanda-users@amanda.org
> Reply To: Nathan Stratton Treadway
> Subject: Re: Zmanda acquired from Carbonite by BETSOL -- future of
> Amanda development?
>
> > On Tue, May 08, 2018 at 12:14:34 -0400, Chris Hoogendyk wrote:
> >> Who is still with Zmanda in the core team and management? Are they
> >> going to be adding anyone? Or getting help from BETSOL?
> >
> > I recently noticed that there haven't been any commits to the master
> > Amanda repository (i.e. Sourceforge/Github) since February -- which
> > made me wonder what's in the works for Amanda development going
> > forward
> >
> > A quick bit of browsing on the Zmanda and BETSOL websites doesn't
> > turn up anything more recent that the acquisition announcement in
> > May.
> >
> > Is anyone out there on these lists able to provide any news?
> >
> > Thanks.
> >
> > Nathan

I got worried when Carbonite took over Zmanda, effectively throwing 
amanda under the bus. Amanda development slowed way down then. 
I just took a look at BETSOL. I think its time to fork. Run by an MBA, 
they will never commit the talent and manpower to keep it updated in the 
face of continued tar development.

Fork it if someone has a long term interest in seeing a good, long term 
backup solution keep sucking air regularly.

Said by a 20 year user of amanda.

> > 
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Re: Zmanda acquired from Carbonite by BETSOL -- future of Amanda development?

[Ian Turner]

FWIW the Zmanda wiki hasn't had any substantive updates since January,  
but notes that as of August Ashwin Krishna is a Zmanda developer and  
the "maintainer of open source amanda code at sourceforge".


  Original Message  
From: Nathan Stratton Treadway
Sent: Wednesday, September 26, 2018 12:15 AM
To: amanda-hack...@amanda.org; amanda-users@amanda.org
Reply To: Nathan Stratton Treadway
Subject: Re: Zmanda acquired from Carbonite by BETSOL -- future of  
Amanda development?



On Tue, May 08, 2018 at 12:14:34 -0400, Chris Hoogendyk wrote:

Who is still with Zmanda in the core team and management? Are they
going to be adding anyone? Or getting help from BETSOL?



I recently noticed that there haven't been any commits to the master
Amanda repository (i.e. Sourceforge/Github) since February -- which made
me wonder what's in the works for Amanda development going forward

A quick bit of browsing on the Zmanda and BETSOL websites doesn't turn
up anything more recent that the acquisition announcement in May.

Is anyone out there on these lists able to provide any news?

Thanks.

Nathan


Nathan Stratton Treadway  -  natha...@ontko.com  -  Mid-Atlantic region
Ray Ontko & Co.  -  Software consulting services  -   http://www.ontko.com/
 GPG Key: http://www.ontko.com/~nathanst/gpg_key.txt   ID: 1023D/ECFB6239
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Re: Zmanda acquired from Carbonite by BETSOL -- future of Amanda development?

[Nathan Stratton Treadway]

On Tue, May 08, 2018 at 12:14:34 -0400, Chris Hoogendyk wrote:
> Who is still with Zmanda in the core team and management? Are they
> going to be adding anyone? Or getting help from BETSOL?
> 

I recently noticed that there haven't been any commits to the master
Amanda repository (i.e. Sourceforge/Github) since February -- which made
me wonder what's in the works for Amanda development going forward

A quick bit of browsing on the Zmanda and BETSOL websites doesn't turn
up anything more recent that the acquisition announcement in May.
 
Is anyone out there on these lists able to provide any news?

Thanks.

Nathan


Nathan Stratton Treadway  -  natha...@ontko.com  -  Mid-Atlantic region
Ray Ontko & Co.  -  Software consulting services  -   http://www.ontko.com/
 GPG Key: http://www.ontko.com/~nathanst/gpg_key.txt   ID: 1023D/ECFB6239
 Key fingerprint = 6AD8 485E 20B9 5C71 231C  0C32 15F3 ADCD ECFB 6239