[arr] Can we hear the voice of Legend T.M.Soundararajan under the Musical beat of Maestro ARR ?
Dear Friends, We heard many talented singers rendering their magical voice under the composition of Maestro ARR. Can we hear the voice of Renowned Tamil Singer TMS under the Music of ARR? ARR should take a serious note and utilize him in the tamil films featuring senior actors like Kamal or Rajini. Long live ARR, SHAIK MAHABOOB Looking for last minute shopping deals? Find them fast with Yahoo! Search. http://tools.search.yahoo.com/newsearch/category.php?category=shopping
[arr] Re: Those seeking Rahman from the 90s
to me the last 90s album i felt was Kangalal Kaithi Sei that was released in Dec 2003... :)
[arr] Re: Those seeking Rahman from the 90s
I think the problem is with his directors, Nowadays AR is not working with talented young directors(atleast in tamil)like Vishuvardhan,Bala,Selvaraghavan,Gautham menon,Ameer... I hope Ghajani Hindi music(Murugadoss-Rahman)will prove my point. --- In arrahmanfans@yahoogroups.com, prashanth.palanisamy [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: hmmm...good pointm one of the few who actually feel a lil nostalgic when i listen to his 90's ..and i do crave for that kind of music at that moment esp stuff like uzhavan or pudhiya mugam et al!!!.well i think.the problem now is everyone(everyone knows some aspect of music now...tanks to technology!!!) is making his kinda soundso u know its tougher to stand out nowi love his current style of music as wellbut i sometimes wish for the vinatge stuff... i think that is human.and again the comparison b/w him and sachin come to my mind now. i love his adelaide(more mature and understanding the 'situation' attitde) century but i still think the Sharjah one was electrifying(carefree and i dont care who u are attitude).!!! :) --- In arrahmanfans@yahoogroups.com, Chord purevibz@ wrote: Been hearing mumblings about wanting the Rahman from the 90s back. My advice? Cut your losses and grieve, or celebrate with the mature and progressive composer whose brilliance is unfaded. Rahman going back in time is not going to happen. Oh, sure, Rahman will keep belting out quality/hit scores, but if you're wanting Deja Vu Rahman, forget it. And that's a good thing. If he kept going back to his 90s mould, he would be labeled as repetitive, one dimensional, etc. I'd much rather have a Rahman who moves forward, progresses and matures as a composer, and experiments, even if all his experiments don't work at the BO. BTW, to me, JA is not an experiment gone wrong. It's Rahman on top of his game. The guy is a master composer with unknown potential. If you want Rahman from the 90s, there are PLENTY of soundtracks to choose from. I love Rahman from the 90s and I have lots of CDs I can put on if I want to go back. But, I also love Rahman of today, even if I don't cherish ALL his songs, just like in the past. He's been there, done that. Time to move forward. No more Dil Se, no more Taal. Why would you want a repeat? He's done those already! The long haul, luxury Rahman express is moving forward and ready to go the distance. If you want to join him, all aboard! If not, the slower, run down, short distance Pritam/Himesh express has limited room, but no AC compartment or first class seats.
RE: [arr] Re: JA in UAE?
Hi.. JA going to release on 30th Jan 08 in Dubai.. Regards, Shailesh Shetty _ From: arrahmanfans@yahoogroups.com [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Shailesh Sent: Saturday, January 19, 2008 12:17 PM To: arrahmanfans@yahoogroups.com Subject: RE: [arr] Re: JA in UAE? Thanks. I also tried in Al Mansoor.. But they say no idea. Im very sad.. _ From: arrahmanfans@yahoogroups.com [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of vino_09 Sent: Saturday, January 19, 2008 11:33 AM To: arrahmanfans@yahoogroups.com Subject: [arr] Re: JA in UAE? I have checked with Al Mansoor...today...and they say the possible release date would this coming wednesday...i.e. 23rdwill keep u posted with further updates... --- In arrahmanfans@ mailto:arrahmanfans%40yahoogroups.com yahoogroups.com, Shailesh [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hi Can anyone help me? When is JA Music will be out in UAE, I have tried but not found yet.. Regards, Shailesh Shetty
[arr] Re: Those seeking Rahman from the 90s
I will not agree with you.I'm not satisfied with AR last few works.I feel that the Rahman magic was missing in some new albums.I think in last 4 years only 2 albums had the magic touch(Meenaxi and Rang de Basanti). New and Anbe Aaruyire were not expected from from AR. Meenaxi (2004) Aayitha Ezhuthu (2004) New (2004) Swades (2004) Bose:(2005) The Rising (2005) Anbe Aaruyire (2005) Water (2005) Rang De Basanti (2006) Sillunu Oru Kaadhal (2006) Godfather (2006) Guru (2007) Provoked (2007) Sivaji (2007) Azhagiya Thamizh Magan (2007) Jodhaa Akbar (2008) I'm very confident that he will bring the magic back in his music.I was very disappointed with Daud ,then came Earth and Dilse.So waiting for Jaane tu ya jaane na and Ghajani hindi. --- In arrahmanfans@yahoogroups.com, Chord [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Been hearing mumblings about wanting the Rahman from the 90s back. My advice? Cut your losses and grieve, or celebrate with the mature and progressive composer whose brilliance is unfaded. Rahman going back in time is not going to happen. Oh, sure, Rahman will keep belting out quality/hit scores, but if you're wanting Deja Vu Rahman, forget it. And that's a good thing. If he kept going back to his 90s mould, he would be labeled as repetitive, one dimensional, etc. I'd much rather have a Rahman who moves forward, progresses and matures as a composer, and experiments, even if all his experiments don't work at the BO. BTW, to me, JA is not an experiment gone wrong. It's Rahman on top of his game. The guy is a master composer with unknown potential. If you want Rahman from the 90s, there are PLENTY of soundtracks to choose from. I love Rahman from the 90s and I have lots of CDs I can put on if I want to go back. But, I also love Rahman of today, even if I don't cherish ALL his songs, just like in the past. He's been there, done that. Time to move forward. No more Dil Se, no more Taal. Why would you want a repeat? He's done those already! The long haul, luxury Rahman express is moving forward and ready to go the distance. If you want to join him, all aboard! If not, the slower, run down, short distance Pritam/Himesh express has limited room, but no AC compartment or first class seats.
[arr] Re: Wipe all your sins listening to Khawaja Mere Khawaja
that's true u can feel his divinity flowing through the song.and u never know when it starats flowing through u too whenever i listen to khwaja mere khwaja i feel i have entered a new world...a world where u don't feel anything except the spirituality Thanks to ARR... --- In arrahmanfans@yahoogroups.com, Arijit Debnath [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I was listeneing to JA songs just after getting the audio CD. The journey is so rich I can't express in words. I don't know when I start crying listening to Khawaja Mere Khawaja ...but found myself in tears after completion of the song. I think all my sins are wiped out by listening to that song After hearing both Instrumental and vocals of Jashn -e- Bahaaraa it seems Rahman is the master and Javed Ali and Naveen are two best students of him when I am listening to which version, it seems that is the best... am speechless Inn lamhon ki also very special song... beautiful melody... Man Mohanaa is again another pure melody what I really liked in the Bhajan the interlude music...I never heard such orchestration in a Bhajan Rahman only shows us doors in many ways Finally the Instrumental of the Khawaja Mere Khawaja is another example like Mere desh ki mitti from Bose so elegant...loved that very much. Arijit
[arr] Reviews and Bull Shit................!!!!!
though usaully i refrain from reading reviews of any ARR album.especially just a few days after his album has releasedmainly b'cos of these reasons:- 1. i firmly believe no one has the required knowledge of music to describe his songs in words leave alone reviewing HIS SONGS as good or bad 2. writing a music review of ARR album,,just a day after its released.take that..MY REVIEW FOR THEIR REVIEWS are ARR's work is not a HIMESH yaarwhere you have to only describe the song whether its peppy or not.! Any ARR fan will tell that his music is like WINEit takes quite a bit of hearing to let his MAGIC work 3. actually his music starts working on you like black magic.,,,after seeing a well picturised song of his ( personally SAAWARIYA and DEKHO nathese songs were gems which i discovered after seeing its video on screen,,,the emotions the songs wanted to createcould be felt only after knowing the situation,the feelings the director and ARR wanted to emote thr' the songhad i written a review before that,,,would it be what actually i felt of the song...?? ) i firmly one cannot review his songsbut yeh MAYBE DESCRIBE WHAT HE GOES THROUGH when he listens to the masters work!!! personallyif one had asked me to about KHALBALI a few days backi would have said,,a wierd arabic kinda song.but now after getting a lil bit of the kick of the song i would say its a hell of a song,,,which a master could only createthe song so beautifully tries to capture the emotion which one goes thr' :- while say attending a rock concert... or maybe doing a work ,,,in which his heart and soul is there, maybe the song tries to explore the feeling of a excited and passion heart, the feeling one getswhen he is genuinely excited for something,,,KHALBALI,!!! right now,JODHA AKBAR:- i am not able to come out of the loop of KHWAJA ,,,leave alone listening to other songs...KHWAJA ..the song,,,has actually left me numb,,,at this stage when i can't understand most of its lyrics,,nor do i know much about the history of the sufi saintson whose praise the song has been composed patience is a virtue and one needs loads of them to write a review of HIS songs!!!
[arr] Joginder ready for argument on JA Review - COME ON GUYS
http://www.naachgaana.com/2008/01/27/music-review-jodha-akbar-joginder-tuteja/ since many of us have been commenting on him and his review just go to the website in the link he has posted his review there again and wants to have conversation about the audo of jodha akbar there if anybody wish to have an arguement/conversation or have an opinion to tell to him U HAVE THE OPPERTUNITY to do so ( this was posted by Hemanth from orkut ) -- regards, Vithur A.R.RAHMAN - MY BREATH LIFE FORCE
[arr] Re: Blog review of JA 6
Just a clarification. That wasn't entirely mine. One line alone was changed in the Marhaba part. That's why I wanted to know the link. Anyway let's just enjoy ARR's music :) Cheers, Aparna http://aparna-a.com --- In arrahmanfans@yahoogroups.com, Vithur [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hi aparna I think that was entirely yours May be Gopal has posted your work here On 1/24/08, Aparna [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hi Gopal, Can you please give the link of this blog? This music review is an exact copy of the review that I wrote!!! Only the first three paras before the songs review are different from the first three paras of my blog post here: http://aparna-a.com/2008/01/22/jodha-akbar-cd-cover-dvd-the-songs/! Thanks, Aparna http://aparna-a.com --- In arrahmanfans@yahoogroups.com arrahmanfans%40yahoogroups.com, Gopal Srinivasan catchgops@ wrote: Jodhaa-Akbar ( à¤à¥à¤§à¤¾-ठà¤à¤¬à¤° ) directed and produced by Ashutosh Gowariker, the director of Oscar-nominated Lagaan is the buzz of India. It stars Hrithik Roshan and Aishwarya Rai Bachchan in lead roles. Extensive research has gone into the making of this film which begun shooting at Karjat. The film centers around the romance between the Muslim Mughal Emperor Akbar, played by Hrithik Roshan and his Hindu wife, Jodhabai, played by Aishwarya. The music will be composed by acclaimed music composer A. R. Rahman. The soundtrack of the movie released on January 19, In reality Akbar's wife was never known as Jodhabai. The use of the name Jodhabai appears to have been a 19th century mistake. Her real name was Hira-kunwari before marriage and after marriage she was known as Mariam-uz-Zamani. While this name change is debatable, Jodha, however,remained Hindu for the rest of her life she was married to Akbar.The music review of the film and the free download of Jodha Akbar songs are given below. The songs are in mp3 format. Music Review of Jodha Akbar Azeem-O-Shaan Shahenshah - Mohammed Aslam, Bony Chakravarthy Chorus After seeing the stills of Aishwarya and Hrithik in royal costumes, listening to this song immediately, I was in awe of how brilliantly Rahman has captured the greatness and grandeur of the Mughal king and the era in his music! This is the song which sits in heart instantly. I loved the chorus and the way the female voices join the male voices and the male voices with the female in the second part of the song, in a beautiful humming . With the wonderful beats throughout the song, this song becomes an aural treat. There is a line in this song about the greatness of Akbar - Jitna kahe hum, utna kam hai â The same can be said about this song and the greatness of Rahmanâs music! Jashn-E-Bahaaraa - Javed Ali This is a soft, lovely song that is completely in contrast to Azeem-O-Shaan. When I listened to this song first (in the trailer), I didnât like Javed Aliâs voice that much. Now, after listening to the full song so many times, my opinion has changed and I find his voice so well suited for this song. Jashn-E-Bahaaraa (Instrumental - Flute) I love the flute. I am so happy that Rahman chose to release the instrumental version of the full song. If you liked the lyrics of Jashn-E-Bahaara and felt that you were able to relate to the mood of the song all the more because of the lyrics and the rendition of it by Javed Ali, then listen to this one that is sans lyrics. With music like this one, you need no lyrics. Inn Lamhon Ke Daaman Mein - Sonu Nigam Madhushree Sonu Nigamâs voice always adds more beauty to a song, however good or bad it might be. The song starts with Sonu Nigam singing it so softly with soft beats and instruments in the background. You get completely immersed in it when all of a sudden you hear the chorus singing accompanied by some amazing percussion and then there is Sonu again! Wow! I loved the interlude between Sonu Nigamâs and Madhushreeâs part. As Madhushree starts singing, I noticed that the lyrics didnât have any (or many?) Urdu words. Since Jodha was a Rajput, there is no Urdu? If Madhushreeâs voice sounded sweet when she sings those beautiful lines, what can you say about the part sung by Sonu Nigam that follows?! Mere khwaabon ke iss gulistaan mein, Tumse hee toh bahaar chhaayi hai, Phoolon mein rang mere the lekin, Inn mein Khushboo tumhee se aayi hain.. Rahmanâs music, Sonu Nigamâs voice or Javed Akhtarâs lyrics? You canât pinpoint on one of these and say this is what makes these lines sound so lovely! I wouldnât have minded if the song had ended right there but we are treated to the chorus and Sonu Nigamâs voice once
[arr] STAR PLUS tonight from 7 : 30 PM
Friends, Tonight in Star PLus channel, they are telecasting Nokia 14th Annual Screen Awards. ARR feaatures in the Best Music Director for Guru and shreya Ghosal for Barso re in Guru. watch and enjoy -- regards, Vithur A.R.RAHMAN - MY BREATH LIFE FORCE
[arr] Fwd: JA music
First of all - my verdict - JA music is AWESOME ! nothing less Now the details. Aseem shahenshah and jashn just picks u alongwith it in the first hearing itself! unusual for a rahman i nust say..and once picked up...take my word...they won't let u go off Khwaja grows on u after the second hearing and inn la..after the third and mann mohana the last. All in all the 4 out of 5 are all extremely good that u get confused which is ur fav with all the 4 tunes running around in ur head! I won't say anythinbg more than that it is a must buy... And i too don't agree with the view of some that rahman of 90's is lost...the whole beuty of rahman is that he doesnt stick to a genre or style..he keeps reinventing..guru and JA are as diff as chalk and cheese as maybe sivaji and LOTR ! and this thing is sadly missed by some of his so called fans...hey buddies..learn to enjoy the new rahman...leave ur baggages elsewhere..be a lil more broadminded in music and embrace the new kool stuffs which rahman is dishing out...and of course for ur daily nostalgic fix there are innumerable old rahman classics at ur disposal.. Deepak Varma - Bollywood, fun, friendship, sports and more. You name it, we have it. - Get the freedom to save as many mails as you wish. Click here to know how.
[arr] Re: Apun Ka Choice reviews JA
I think ARR should be applauded for using musical restraint and focus on melody. Just because he's not heavy on rhythms or drowning the songs in instrumentation doesn't mean he's not up to his own standards. Oh well, it's the guy's opinion. I also disagree that Khwaja sounds technoish, although I see where he's coming from with the piano loop backdrop. To me, that's hardly technoish, but in fact, adds a drone, meditative sound to the song. Same catch 22 for ARR. Either he's too repetitive or he's not up to his own standards. --- In arrahmanfans@yahoogroups.com, Gopal Srinivasan [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: -Good but not great By Aparajita Ghosh Composing for a period film in present times is no easy task. One has to walk the tight rope and balance the musical moods of the era bygone with the present taste of music buffs, which, unfortunately, is heavily inclined towards anything techno and rap. AR Rahman walks the thin line. His compositions in ¡Jodhaa Akbar¢ have a mere glimpse of what would have been the musical culture in Mughal times. And it also attempts to cater to the present popular tastes. This way, the music album of ¡Jodhaa Akbar¢ ends up neither here nor there. The compositions are good, but they are not great. Azeem-O-Shaan Shahenshah is a powerful song hailing the Mughal emperor Akbar. The number, sung by Mohammed Aslam and Bonnie Chakraborty, is heavy on beats and has a pleasing orchestra in the background. Rahman shows his musical wizardry with sounds that create images of rattling swords and chains. Also unmistakable in the song is the theme melody of ¡Lagaan¢ that plays a number of times. Jashn-e-Bahara could have been a much better song had Rahman chosen a better singer than Javed Ali, who surely sings the right notes with skill, but doesn¢t have much emotive appeal in his bland vocals. Still, the song, set on an Arabic tempo, carries Rahman¢s subtle magic. The tender notes of rubaab, mandolin and santoor form the backdrop of this soft romantic track, set to poetic lyrics by Javed Akhtar. However, the Jashn-e-Bahara instrumental version on flute is a delight to the ears. AR Rahman is back to what he does best in Khwaja Mere Khwaja, a sufi qawwali with a dash of techno touch. The song, an ode to Khwaja Moinuddin Chisti of Ajmer, has Rahman himself wielding the microphone and jarring the senses of a listener with his emotive and evocative vocals. Though the song relies liberally on tabla and harmonium, the techno flavour ruins the purity of this devotional track. The instrumental version of this song takes you by surprise. How Rahman keeps the same melody but changes its timing and structure just slightly to suit the Oboe and accompanying orchestra shows his command as a composer. In Lamhon Ke Daaman Mein is a lilting track about the gradual passing of intimate moments. Sonu Nigam and Madhushree¢s impressive singing adds to this slow-paced song a mellowness that is broken by raucous chorus. Javed Akhtar¢s words paint the imagery of two lovers sharing their most special moments together. It is a song that makes an impression only after repeated hearing. Mann Mohanna is a devotional track addressed to lord Krishna. Supported by tabla and heavy orchestration, this song, sung by Bela Shinde, is a plea to the lord from a despondent woman. All in all, the songs of Jodhaa Akbar are below the usual standard of a genius like AR Rahman. Rating: **1/2 http://www.apunkachoice.com/music/alb138/
[arr] Re: JA - Sweet
I think you're right. These are not stand alone songs to become hits. Quality music lovers will appreciate the music, but the masses will only take to the soundtrack if the songs are powerful in the film and if the film does well. I think the music will grow in appreciation over time. --- In arrahmanfans@yahoogroups.com, Kalimuthu [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Got the CD only yesterday. I did not have any expectation at all nor any hope until the CD arrived. Because I watched the trailer and thought 'OK some average stuff!'. Started playing them last night. Imm. I did not like any song except 'Man Mohana' when I heard them for the first time. Repeated 2-3 times. No luck... Just closed the player and went to bed. No hard feelings since I did not expect it to be good. As soon as I got up in the morning, I started playing them again. Surprise... This time they sounded so differently but pretty sweet. Very, Very sweet Since then I have been playing them again and again. Now I love all the songs. They all are really good! But I don't like one thing in this album which is the starting music of 'Azeem-o-Shaan'. It really irritates. Man Mohana tops my list (as of now)... In Lamhon Jashn-e-Bahaaraa share the second spot. But this album's success totally depends on the outcome of the movie, IMO.
Re: [arr] Legendary singers in Rahman's Music
ARR has sung for ARR :) On Jan 23, 2008 9:16 PM, Kumaresh-n [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: For your kind information Vani Jayaram have sung for ARR its the song... Ithu Sugham Sugham from the movie Vandicholai Cinnarasu On 23/01/2008, || V i s h w e s h || [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: AFAIK, Vani Jayaram is yet to sing for ARR. --- vijay krishnan [EMAIL PROTECTED]krishvijay_30%40yahoo.co.in wrote: Many legendary singers hav lent their voics for Rahmanji, I'm listing few whom i know. Smt. Lata Mangeshkar Smt. Asha Bhosle Smt. S.Janaki Smt. P.Susheela Smt. Vani Jayaram (he could have given more songs to Susheela amma and Vani Jayaram, still their voices are same) Shri K.J.Yesudoss Shri S.P.Balasubramaniam had i left anyone Save all your chat conversations. Find them online at http://in.messenger.yahoo.com/webmessengerpromo.php The search is more important than the destination - a r rahman - __ Never miss a thing. Make Yahoo your home page. http://www.yahoo.com/r/hs -- All the good praise goes to the Almighty http://www.arrahman-online.com
[arr] Fear of failure haunts A.R.Rahman
Fear of failure haunts A.R. Rahman Sun Jan 27, 2008 5:22pm IST
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MUMBAI (Reuters) - A string of hits over the years hasn't helped composer
A.R. Rahman get rid of his biggest fear -- that a bad project might harm his
reputation as Bollywood's best.
Rahman, who shot to fame with his compositions for Roja in 1992, is known
for his musical versatility. He has innovated with different instruments and
sounds to create some of India's best known musical hits for more than a
decade.
But the composer knows success comes at a price.
*It does scare me sometimes (but) not about staying on top - first place or
second place,* Rahman told Reuters.
*It is about what I'm delivering, how good the music is always, how precise
I have to be while composing as I might be putting my reputation of 15 years
at stake*.
Rahman has several big budget projects lined up for release in 2008,
including Ashutosh Gowariker's Jodhaa Akbar, Subhash Ghai's Yuvraaj,
Rakeysh Mehra's Dilli 6 and the Aamir Khan-starrer Ghajini.
But he's eagerly awaiting Tamil filmmaker Shankar's science fiction venture
Robot.
*Robot' is very futuristic and I am looking forward to composing for it*,
Rahman said. *I have never tried the genre before and it is an exciting
venture*.
Selecting the right project might be tough for some but for Rahman, instinct
plays a key role.
I often take quick decisions as sometimes I work with people whom I have
worked with before and sometimes it's just out of pure instinct when I come
across an exciting project.
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regards,
Vithur
A.R.RAHMAN - MY BREATH LIFE FORCE
[arr] ARR Dubai Concert Feb 14, 2008
Dear friends, Can anyone help us with the the tickets / passes for the upcoming ARR concert in Dubai on Feb. 14, 2008? Really appreciate any info on this. Best regards Ganesh
[arr] Negative reviews sadden me
I know I know, it's only important that I love the music, right? I could say that, but I'd be in denial. It DOES bother me that when I consider a soundtrack to be a masterpiece, many others, not just one review, think it's average or below. I can justify, rationalize, intellectualize all I want (they don't know class music, they have poor taste, etc. etc.), but fact is, I do feel sad for ARR.
[arr] Can someone define living up to ARR's own standards?
I hear this phrase over and over and over in reviews. What does that mean exactly? Is it purely subjective or are there elements of Rahman's best works that can be operationalized? If ARR is a progressive artist who doesn't stick to formulas, what exactly are his standards that people expect him to adhere to album after album? I think it's the same dilemma for all suuccessful artists. You take rock bands from the west, you hear so many comments about how their earlier works outshine later works. Oh, this group's music back in the 70s was so much better than their work now. Their own success haunts them down the road, if they let it. Let's take JA. If you want to compare elements of JA to his most highly rated soundtracks of the past, there is good melody, amazing musicianship, crystal clear sound, beautiful ornamentation and attention to musical detail, haunting chords ahd harmonies, catchy rhythms, and innovativeness. So, what's the problem? I get the feeling that no matter how objectively good an ARR soundtrack will be, there will ALWAYS be folks who say the phrase above. And I guarantee you that these same folks would say he is repetitive if Rahman were indeed to go back to the Dil Se or Taal mode or whatever mode they wish for.
[arr] Re: STAR PLUS tonight from 7 : 30 PM
Shreya Ghosal was adjudged the Bet Play back Singer in female Category for her song Barso Re . She said I thank Rahman Sir for giving me this opportunity. This is my first song for Rahman Sir in Hindi. I also thank Gulzarji, Maniji and Rahmanji And Shreya collected the award on behalf of ARR for the Best Music Director for GURU. She said Rahman Sir.. Thanks. And you deserve the best. When they announced the awards, they said who else for Music ?. The one and only A.R.RAHMAN . On 1/27/08, Vithur [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Friends, Tonight in Star PLus channel, they are telecasting Nokia 14th Annual Screen Awards. ARR feaatures in the Best Music Director for Guru and shreya Ghosal for Barso re in Guru. watch and enjoy -- regards, Vithur A.R.RAHMAN - MY BREATH LIFE FORCE -- regards, Vithur A.R.RAHMAN - MY BREATH LIFE FORCE
Re: [arr] Negative reviews sadden me
i think u or we must feel proud that we are in the state where we are able to love divine music.we can just neglect the negative reviews or comments. Rahmans class is known for all...the thing is that it takes time for the song grow...and prople judge into conclusion well before that.anywayall his music are divine and defi gems of tomo..so u better not worry wat others think or say regards ganesh Chord [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I know I know, it's only important that I love the music, right? I could say that, but I'd be in denial. It DOES bother me that when I consider a soundtrack to be a masterpiece, many others, not just one review, think it's average or below. I can justify, rationalize, intellectualize all I want (they don't know class music, they have poor taste, etc. etc.), but fact is, I do feel sad for ARR. - Chat on a cool, new interface. No download required. Click here.
[arr] Re: Can someone define living up to ARR's own standards?
Let me try to explain. For the first 5 years, between 1992 and 1996, almost none of the people here or ANYWHERE will be able to find 5 A R songs that they didn't like. Out of 25-30 albums. That's a high standard. Every phrase, every intro, every verse is astounding from that period. In Guru, the first interlude from Barso Re is phenomenal and no other composer is capable of that kind of music, and many fans think that A R is capable of sustaining that sort of quality over the length of the entire album, which may or may not happen because the songs are extremely situational nowadays. It is RIDICULOUS for anyone here to say that one cannot criticize this aspect of Rahman's music or that, because there are many many fans who have been there since the first song of A R R ever aired and before, and have a right to express their feelings. I am curious to know how old some of you are, because there seems to be a generational gap developing in this group :) --- In arrahmanfans@yahoogroups.com, Chord [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I hear this phrase over and over and over in reviews. What does that mean exactly? Is it purely subjective or are there elements of Rahman's best works that can be operationalized? If ARR is a progressive artist who doesn't stick to formulas, what exactly are his standards that people expect him to adhere to album after album? I think it's the same dilemma for all suuccessful artists. You take rock bands from the west, you hear so many comments about how their earlier works outshine later works. Oh, this group's music back in the 70s was so much better than their work now. Their own success haunts them down the road, if they let it. Let's take JA. If you want to compare elements of JA to his most highly rated soundtracks of the past, there is good melody, amazing musicianship, crystal clear sound, beautiful ornamentation and attention to musical detail, haunting chords ahd harmonies, catchy rhythms, and innovativeness. So, what's the problem? I get the feeling that no matter how objectively good an ARR soundtrack will be, there will ALWAYS be folks who say the phrase above. And I guarantee you that these same folks would say he is repetitive if Rahman were indeed to go back to the Dil Se or Taal mode or whatever mode they wish for.
[arr] Aishwarya opposite Rajnikanth in Robot music of the film is by AR Rahman
MUMBAI: After Shriya Saran, its now Aishwarya Rai Bachchan who has been cast
opposite South superstar Rajnikanth.
The actress will be seen in Shankars science fiction film Robot.
Incidentally, Aishwarya also starred in Shankar's earlier film titled Jeans a
decade ago.
Robot is being produced by Eros International's Ayngaran International. The
music of the film is by AR Rahman. Robot will be made in Tamil, Hindi, Telugu
and other languages.
Rajnikanth's last year release Sivaji - The Boss was a huge success in India.
Aishwarya, on the other hand, will soon be seen as Jodhaa Bai in Ashutosh
Gowarikar's epic drama Jodhaa Akbar. She is also a part of the Hollywood film
Pink Panther starring Steve Martin and Andy Garcia.
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[arr] [Non-ARR]: Instant english song lifts by HJ; MUST LISTEN
got these links from couple of my frenz. letz not discuss over this in detail.. but m posting these links jus to make the ARR bashers and HJ lovers in this group about one thing: HJ has done instant lifts of not only the beat but now couple of entire songs. click the links below to REALIZE it.. so, now better u guys have to start thinking abt it. http://www.dandanakka.com/2008/01/26/harris-jeyarajs-june-ponal-song-copied-from-blue-all-rise/ http://www.dandanakka.com/2008/01/26/karu_karu_pachaikillimuthucharam_hit_you_with_the_real_thingrbs/
Re: [arr] Legendary singers in Rahman's Music
good one! On Jan 26, 2008 8:45 PM, Shah Navas [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: ARR has sung for ARR :) On Jan 23, 2008 9:16 PM, Kumaresh-n [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: For your kind information Vani Jayaram have sung for ARR its the song... Ithu Sugham Sugham from the movie Vandicholai Cinnarasu On 23/01/2008, || V i s h w e s h || [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: AFAIK, Vani Jayaram is yet to sing for ARR. --- vijay krishnan [EMAIL PROTECTED]krishvijay_30%40yahoo.co.in wrote: Many legendary singers hav lent their voics for Rahmanji, I'm listing few whom i know. Smt. Lata Mangeshkar Smt. Asha Bhosle Smt. S.Janaki Smt. P.Susheela Smt. Vani Jayaram (he could have given more songs to Susheela amma and Vani Jayaram, still their voices are same) Shri K.J.Yesudoss Shri S.P.Balasubramaniam had i left anyone Save all your chat conversations. Find them online at http://in.messenger.yahoo.com/webmessengerpromo.php The search is more important than the destination - a r rahman - __ Never miss a thing. Make Yahoo your home page. http://www.yahoo.com/r/hs -- All the good praise goes to the Almighty http://www.arrahman-online.com
[arr] Re: [Non-ARR]: Instant english song lifts by HJ; MUST LISTEN
Thulasi, this was discussed during the 1st week release of these audio songs :)im not sure bout here,but in the Hub i visit,Harris was torn upsidedown-left-right for these lifts. :)
[arr] Pakistan Sufi Sensation set to rock in India
Adeel loves Indian music, his role models being A.R. Rahman, Shankar-Ehsaan-Loy and Sonu Nigam. http://www.bollywoodworld.com/news/bwnews.php?subaction=showfullid=1201464599archive = -- regards, Vithur A.R.RAHMAN - MY BREATH LIFE FORCE
[arr] 2008 Movie Predictions
Aamir Khan's JAANE TU YA JAANE NA http://www.bollyspice.com/view.php/904-2008-movie-predictions-part-1-of-3.html While not much is currently known about Abbas Tyrewala's directoral debut, except for a very impressive crew (Aamir Khan producing, music direction by AR Rahman and a whole slew of guest appearances – plus Tyrewala's skill at writing screenplays and dialogues) we're sure this one is going to be one to wait for. *Quality: B+* Taking Aamir Khan's track record with production into consideration– any project he throws his support behind is likely to be a very high quality product at hand. Tyrewala's skill at writing and the music direction by Rahman should bring forth a strong film that will be enjoyed by intelligent audiences. *Box Office: Avg to Hit* The film may be hurt by no large headliner star. However, with what is sure to be strong word of mouth, the film will likely recover costs. Ashutosh Gowariker's JODHAA-AKBAR With the soundtrack of Ashutosh Gowariker's magnum opus *Jodhaa-Akbar* hit the airwaves and the film to be releasing on Valentines Day, this highly awaited period film starring Hrithik Roshan and Aishwarya Rai Bachchan is one that has a lot going for it. However, with the delays the film and its music have faced, will it affect its overall outlook? *Quality: A-* Rahman returns and gives a phenomenal soundtrack, and with Ashutosh Gowariker's track record in they two very high quality films *Lagaan* and * Swades*, there should be little doubt that Gowariker will deliver a quality film. *Box Office: Flop* Audience feedback on the trailers has not been positive to say the least. While the oft-delayed soundtrack has finally released, the film is still unsure of the final release date, or if Gowariker's back will act up again – thus delaying the film even further. Also, the songs do not have a mass appeal. The main factor towards high box office performance will be the presence of Hrithik and Ash. However, if Shahrukh Khan could not bring Swades as a box office hit, it remains to be seen if the two stars can do the same for this film. -- regards, Vithur A.R.RAHMAN - MY BREATH LIFE FORCE
[arr] Re: Can someone define living up to ARR's own standards?
I think it's a matter of taste, nothing more. I'm all for specific constructive criticism within reason. To hear Rahman not living up to his own standards for every fricking release of his nowadays is not within reason for me. Ok, there are some fans not as happy with Rahman's music today compared to the past. Of course they have a right to express what they feel. I have to accept that as THEIR OPINION, not a fact. Disappointed with the music for such and such reason? Fine with me. Didn't like the song for such and such reason? Ok! Rahman's not as good as he used to be? That's not getting past me! You mentioned hardly any songs unliked in Rahman's earlier days. Be careful of confounding variables including novelty, change in sound, music scene, music taste. Judging Rahman's music certainly requires an examination of the predominant music scene and most certainly, Rahman's music STOOD OUT more in his early days than today. To me, that doesn't make his music from that time period superior or a fulcrum by which to judge subsequent soundtracks. IMO if you asked Rahman himself whether his music has worsened over time or if he's not living up to his own standards from the past, I think he would scoff and say, of course not. He sets the standard for himself each time he releases an album for better or for worse. I''m sure he has his favorites, but I'm pretty sure he would be just as proud or critical of his music back then as today. Yes, I agree, his songs have become more situational, but films too have become more specific in theme in content with diverse storylines demanding different types of music from Rahman. Rahman is more selective today too. I'm in my 30s. I'm a relatively late oncomer to Rahman's music (mid 90s) but I enjoy all his music from day 1 to now. I view him as a progressive artist who is maturing at every step and willing to experiment, even if all his experiments are not appreciated by the masses or his fans. I am just as critical of his music from Roja to Jodha Akbar and not all his music is appreciated by me. In fact, I find some of his music from his early days extremely radical and hard to reach, far from appealing emotionally, although admittedly brilliant on a left brain level. Yes, some of his best work IMO is from his early days, but I also find some of his best work from recent soundtracks too! --- In arrahmanfans@yahoogroups.com, Ranojoy [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Let me try to explain. For the first 5 years, between 1992 and 1996, almost none of the people here or ANYWHERE will be able to find 5 A R songs that they didn't like. Out of 25-30 albums. That's a high standard. Every phrase, every intro, every verse is astounding from that period. In Guru, the first interlude from Barso Re is phenomenal and no other composer is capable of that kind of music, and many fans think that A R is capable of sustaining that sort of quality over the length of the entire album, which may or may not happen because the songs are extremely situational nowadays. It is RIDICULOUS for anyone here to say that one cannot criticize this aspect of Rahman's music or that, because there are many many fans who have been there since the first song of A R R ever aired and before, and have a right to express their feelings. I am curious to know how old some of you are, because there seems to be a generational gap developing in this group :) --- In arrahmanfans@yahoogroups.com, Chord purevibz@ wrote: I hear this phrase over and over and over in reviews. What does that mean exactly? Is it purely subjective or are there elements of Rahman's best works that can be operationalized? If ARR is a progressive artist who doesn't stick to formulas, what exactly are his standards that people expect him to adhere to album after album? I think it's the same dilemma for all suuccessful artists. You take rock bands from the west, you hear so many comments about how their earlier works outshine later works. Oh, this group's music back in the 70s was so much better than their work now. Their own success haunts them down the road, if they let it. Let's take JA. If you want to compare elements of JA to his most highly rated soundtracks of the past, there is good melody, amazing musicianship, crystal clear sound, beautiful ornamentation and attention to musical detail, haunting chords ahd harmonies, catchy rhythms, and innovativeness. So, what's the problem? I get the feeling that no matter how objectively good an ARR soundtrack will be, there will ALWAYS be folks who say the phrase above. And I guarantee you that these same folks would say he is repetitive if Rahman were indeed to go back to the Dil Se or Taal mode or whatever mode they wish for.
[arr] ARR SHOW IN CHENNAI
I heard there is going to be a show in Chennai on 9th February 08. Saras Never miss a thing. Make Yahoo your home page. http://www.yahoo.com/r/hs
Re: [arr] ARR SHOW IN CHENNAI
It's a private concert.
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Subject: [arr] ARR SHOW IN CHENNAI
I heard there is going to be a show in Chennai on 9th
February 08.
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[arr] Re: Can someone define living up to ARR's own standards?
I used to cry when i listen to Porale ponnuthayi from Karithamma and Ye ajnabi from Dil se. Pure magic!! I want the same magic back in Rahman music.I dont care Subash k jha or Joginder tuteja or any other so called critics, but i want all of them criticize Rahman now. WHAT IS THE PROBLEM IN PUSHING AN ARTIST WHO IS CAPABLE TO DELIVER EXTRA-ORDINARY MUSIC. fyi : Criticism is not new to AR. One south indian magazine called him one film wonder in Genteman review.But AR prove them wrong. Regards Shanavas --- In arrahmanfans@yahoogroups.com, Chord [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I think it's a matter of taste, nothing more. I'm all for specific constructive criticism within reason. To hear Rahman not living up to his own standards for every fricking release of his nowadays is not within reason for me. Ok, there are some fans not as happy with Rahman's music today compared to the past. Of course they have a right to express what they feel. I have to accept that as THEIR OPINION, not a fact. Disappointed with the music for such and such reason? Fine with me. Didn't like the song for such and such reason? Ok! Rahman's not as good as he used to be? That's not getting past me! You mentioned hardly any songs unliked in Rahman's earlier days. Be careful of confounding variables including novelty, change in sound, music scene, music taste. Judging Rahman's music certainly requires an examination of the predominant music scene and most certainly, Rahman's music STOOD OUT more in his early days than today. To me, that doesn't make his music from that time period superior or a fulcrum by which to judge subsequent soundtracks. IMO if you asked Rahman himself whether his music has worsened over time or if he's not living up to his own standards from the past, I think he would scoff and say, of course not. He sets the standard for himself each time he releases an album for better or for worse. I''m sure he has his favorites, but I'm pretty sure he would be just as proud or critical of his music back then as today. Yes, I agree, his songs have become more situational, but films too have become more specific in theme in content with diverse storylines demanding different types of music from Rahman. Rahman is more selective today too. I'm in my 30s. I'm a relatively late oncomer to Rahman's music (mid 90s) but I enjoy all his music from day 1 to now. I view him as a progressive artist who is maturing at every step and willing to experiment, even if all his experiments are not appreciated by the masses or his fans. I am just as critical of his music from Roja to Jodha Akbar and not all his music is appreciated by me. In fact, I find some of his music from his early days extremely radical and hard to reach, far from appealing emotionally, although admittedly brilliant on a left brain level. Yes, some of his best work IMO is from his early days, but I also find some of his best work from recent soundtracks too! --- In arrahmanfans@yahoogroups.com, Ranojoy khushiyan2001@ wrote: Let me try to explain. For the first 5 years, between 1992 and 1996, almost none of the people here or ANYWHERE will be able to find 5 A R songs that they didn't like. Out of 25-30 albums. That's a high standard. Every phrase, every intro, every verse is astounding from that period. In Guru, the first interlude from Barso Re is phenomenal and no other composer is capable of that kind of music, and many fans think that A R is capable of sustaining that sort of quality over the length of the entire album, which may or may not happen because the songs are extremely situational nowadays. It is RIDICULOUS for anyone here to say that one cannot criticize this aspect of Rahman's music or that, because there are many many fans who have been there since the first song of A R R ever aired and before, and have a right to express their feelings. I am curious to know how old some of you are, because there seems to be a generational gap developing in this group :) --- In arrahmanfans@yahoogroups.com, Chord purevibz@ wrote: I hear this phrase over and over and over in reviews. What does that mean exactly? Is it purely subjective or are there elements of Rahman's best works that can be operationalized? If ARR is a progressive artist who doesn't stick to formulas, what exactly are his standards that people expect him to adhere to album after album? I think it's the same dilemma for all suuccessful artists. You take rock bands from the west, you hear so many comments about how their earlier works outshine later works. Oh, this group's music back in the 70s was so much better than their work now. Their own success haunts them down the road, if they let it. Let's take JA. If you want to compare elements of JA
Re: [arr] TRANSLATION: Marhaba Mustapha (Al-Risalah)
Wasim, a zillion thanks!! Ranojoy [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Great translation.. Just a few points.. Saara sadaqa aap ka = All the *charity* is yours (Literal).. Or the only meaningful charity is yours (Interpreted) .. Also, qalb means HEART. Also Sooraj ka uthna hai aap se obviously shouldn't be read for its literal meaning, but as, loosely, you are an integral, active part of the Divine plan/destiny.. Needless to say the words are mostly directly Arabic. --- In arrahmanfans@yahoogroups.com, Thulasi Ram [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Ware wah Wasim! thank you so much for the translation. great job doin this!!! On Jan 25, 2008 7:49 PM, kaissiom [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hi Guys, So, I got hold of Al-Risalah. It has a total of 6 tracks. One by Rahman, 'Marhaba Mustapha'. There is one by some Liyakat Ajmeri, and the rest are by some Raj Verma. One correction... this track is not exactly a Naat, it's a Nasheed. Naat is generally referred to any religious poems/shayari/verses. Whether a Naat contains music or not is completely up to the producer of Naat, it doesn't have to be one way or other. Usually Naats praise the God, but when they are specifically meant for prophet Muhammed(PBUH), they are called Nasheeds. Therefore, this album has all Nasheeds. Marhaba Mustafa is an awesome Nasheed, very simple yet spiritual. The one thing different about it is the arabic rhythm/singing layered with guitar/strings, and it has the regular harmonium and claps. It's a soul-stirring song, as soon as I heard it, it kept on repeating it my head, it has that effect. Soulful singing by Rahman!! Again, I've attempted to translate this piece as requested by some of you. Please forgive me and change it, if deemed necessary. Album: Al-Risalah(2008) Track: Marhaba Mustapha Composer: A.R. Rahman Lyrics: Hazrat Khaja Syed Shah Ameenullah Hussainy (R.A) *Marhaba, Ya Mustafa* *-[Pleasant Greetings! O Mustafa (prophet Muhammed)]* *Salallahu-alaihi-wa-sallam* *-[Peace be upon him (prophet Muhammed)]* *Salallahu-alaihi-wa-sallam* *-[Peace be upon him]* *Aye Habib-e-Khuda* *-[O, beloved of the God]* *Ahmad-e-Mujtaba* *-[Praiseworthy of being the Chosen One]* *Salallahu-alaihi-wa-sallam* *-[Peace be upon him]* *Salallahu-alaihi-wa-sallam* *-[Peace be upon him]* * Sooraj ka uthna, Chand chamakana* *-[The rising of the Sun, the light of the Moon]* *Hai aap se* *-[Is all due to you]* *Salallahu-alaihi-wa-sallam* *-[Peace be upon him]* *Fiza mein thandak, Phool mehekna* *-[The coolness in the breeze, the fragrance in the flower]* *Hai aap se* *-[Is all due to you]* *Salallahu-alaihi-wa-sallam* *-[Peace be upon him]* *Saara sadhkha aap ka, Saara sadhkha aap ka* *-[All the blessing are due to you, All the blessings are due to you]* *Salallahu-alaihi-wa-sallam* *-[Peace be upon him]* * Marhaba, Ya Mustafa* *-[Pleasant Greetings! O Mustafa]* *Salallahu-alaihi-wa-sallam* *-[Peace be upon him]* *Salallahu-alaihi-wa-sallam* *-[Peace be upon him]* *Mutmayeen hai qhalb mera, Zikr se aapke* *[My mind/body/soul finds peace/satisfaction by `remembering' you]* *Salallahu-alaihi-wa-sallam* *-[Peace be upon him]* *Salallahu-alaihi-wa-sallam* *-[Peace be upon him]* *Dil nahin chahata nazar hataoun, Roze se aapke* *-[My heart does not want me to see any other sight, except your shrine]* *Kuch bhi nahin mujhse raha, Kuch bhi nahin mujhse raja* *-[I'm incapable of doing anything, I'm incapable of doing anything]* *Salallahu-alaihi-wa-sallam* *-[Peace be upon him]* *Salallahu-alaihi-wa-sallam* *-[Peace be upon him]* *Marhaba, Ya Mustafa* *-[Pleasant Greetings! O Mustafa]* *Salallahu-alaihi-wa-sallam* *-[Peace be upon him]* *Salallahu-alaihi-wa-sallam* *-[Peace be upon him]* - Why delete messages? Unlimited storage is just a click away.
Re: [arr] 2008 Movie Predictions
prediction for JA is flop??? that's too rude to jus guess the verdict of this movie before its release On Jan 27, 2008 6:36 PM, Vithur [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Aamir Khan's JAANE TU YA JAANE NA http://www.bollyspice.com/view.php/904-2008-movie-predictions-part-1-of-3.html While not much is currently known about Abbas Tyrewala's directoral debut, except for a very impressive crew (Aamir Khan producing, music direction by AR Rahman and a whole slew of guest appearances – plus Tyrewala's skill at writing screenplays and dialogues) we're sure this one is going to be one to wait for. *Quality: B+* Taking Aamir Khan's track record with production into consideration– any project he throws his support behind is likely to be a very high quality product at hand. Tyrewala's skill at writing and the music direction by Rahman should bring forth a strong film that will be enjoyed by intelligent audiences. *Box Office: Avg to Hit* The film may be hurt by no large headliner star. However, with what is sure to be strong word of mouth, the film will likely recover costs. Ashutosh Gowariker's JODHAA-AKBAR With the soundtrack of Ashutosh Gowariker's magnum opus *Jodhaa-Akbar* hit the airwaves and the film to be releasing on Valentines Day, this highly awaited period film starring Hrithik Roshan and Aishwarya Rai Bachchan is one that has a lot going for it. However, with the delays the film and its music have faced, will it affect its overall outlook? *Quality: A-* Rahman returns and gives a phenomenal soundtrack, and with Ashutosh Gowariker's track record in they two very high quality films *Lagaan* and *Swades*, there should be little doubt that Gowariker will deliver a quality film. *Box Office: Flop* Audience feedback on the trailers has not been positive to say the least. While the oft-delayed soundtrack has finally released, the film is still unsure of the final release date, or if Gowariker's back will act up again – thus delaying the film even further. Also, the songs do not have a mass appeal. The main factor towards high box office performance will be the presence of Hrithik and Ash. However, if Shahrukh Khan could not bring Swades as a box office hit, it remains to be seen if the two stars can do the same for this film. -- regards, Vithur A.R.RAHMAN - MY BREATH LIFE FORCE
RE: [arr] Re: Can someone define living up to ARR's own standards?
I agree with Rano that the first 5 years of ARR's entry into Movie Music brought about an astounding outpouring of quality music that early listeners like Rano and myself, among many, were so overwhelmed and mesmerized. I can still recall the goosebumps I felt all over me when I first heard those scintillating and crystal clear synth sounds of Pudu Vellai Mazhai in my living room; its glissandos inducing many cool thrills up my spine. This was before his minor-digression into Prabhudeva influenced rhythmic songs over the colorful melodies of those first years, which attracted the first wave of harsh criticisms of ARR's falling below his own standards; and in ARR's defence, let me say that he did admit to being somewhat guilty of diverting his attention to more commercial efforts during the 95-97 period. Coming back to the early years, true, we have not heard those same sounds from ARR in recent times, but that is certainly not to say that he has given up, or even consciously softened his emphasis over these standards, which, to me, are still a league above the prevailing norm. That is not to mention the now very widely accepted fact that the prevailing norm has largely been shaped by ARR's pioneering work of those early years! Before we delve into a serious discussion about comparing and criticizing standards of different eras, we have to ask what we mean by 'standards': Are we comparing originality, aesthetic judgment (or taste), use of technology, choice of movies and lyrics, choice of singers and instruments, etc? Most of these standards, ARR himself acknowledged early on in his career, were very close to his heart and the advancement of which were among his main reasons for entering the movie industry. So, while I’m sure he is open enough to allow criticisms of his works, he would love to know on what facts we base our judgments. Also, for the sake of balance, I will compare the works of the 5-year period from 1992-96 with the 5-year period from 2003-07. I am just trying to keep aflame, perhaps by lighting a side fire or two, what I feel is a very worthy topic for discussion. All my thoughts here will be open for debate for I too am still learning and would love to hear the thoughts from what, to us ‘old-timers’, has now become quite a massive group! So let us investigate ARR’s Standard Deviation over the 15 years of his reign! I will post my discussion in categorical parts so that I don’t estrange you with an unpleasantly long email! If you are interested in the discussion, look for the subject line 'ARR's Standard Deviation - Part X - SUBJECT' in your inboxes for there are 100s of emails now flowing per day and I understand that you may not have the time to go through each and every email. Best regards, Dasun To: arrahmanfans@yahoogroups.com From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Date: Sun, 27 Jan 2008 19:12:02 + Subject: [arr] Re: Can someone define living up to ARR's own standards? Let me try to explain. For the first 5 years, between 1992 and 1996, almost none of the people here or ANYWHERE will be able to find 5 A R songs that they didn't like. Out of 25-30 albums. That's a high standard. Every phrase, every intro, every verse is astounding from that period. In Guru, the first interlude from Barso Re is phenomenal and no other composer is capable of that kind of music, and many fans think that A R is capable of sustaining that sort of quality over the length of the entire album, which may or may not happen because the songs are extremely situational nowadays. It is RIDICULOUS for anyone here to say that one cannot criticize this aspect of Rahman's music or that, because there are many many fans who have been there since the first song of A R R ever aired and before, and have a right to express their feelings. I am curious to know how old some of you are, because there seems to be a generational gap developing in this group :) --- In arrahmanfans@yahoogroups.com, Chord [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I hear this phrase over and over and over in reviews. What does that mean exactly? Is it purely subjective or are there elements of Rahman's best works that can be operationalized? If ARR is a progressive artist who doesn't stick to formulas, what exactly are his standards that people expect him to adhere to album after album? I think it's the same dilemma for all suuccessful artists. You take rock bands from the west, you hear so many comments about how their earlier works outshine later works. Oh, this group's music back in the 70s was so much better than their work now. Their own success haunts them down the road, if they let it. Let's take JA. If you want to compare elements of JA to his most highly rated soundtracks of the past, there is good melody, amazing musicianship, crystal clear sound, beautiful ornamentation and attention to musical detail, haunting
Re: [arr] Re: Can someone define living up to ARR's own standards?
Yes i totally agree with you that today all the other music directors are exactly a xerox of ARR (infact color xerox), so it is difficult to maintain the orginality. For that reason ARR has to do lot of hardwork, infact he is doing more than his 100%. I don't understand one thing, if he tries something new you people say ARR is lost his magic, and he doesn't do that you people say its resembles like his previous compositions bla bla... comon guys grow up... Regards S.Sunder - Original Message From: jamshid TC [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: arrahmanfans@yahoogroups.com Sent: Monday, 28 January, 2008 9:21:13 AM Subject: Re: [arr] Re: Can someone define living up to ARR's own standards? For that matter i cried once when i was listening to Lukka chuppi from rang de basanti and yeh jo des hei tear in some other occation One important thing what chord mentioned in his earlier mail. When rahman came he introduced a new type of music to the people in india.His style was totally diffrent from the contemporary music directors that time .So everything he delievred that time was something people got to experince diffrent from others. and then we know , he set that trend and somany people followed his school.That time people could listen to a song and tell that its that new guy's song . While today its gone.its tough to diffrentiate for a non-rahman fan :-). apart from this aspect as chord said , for me rahman's standard of music composition has improved a lot from those days.I feel rahman can easily deliver a raakkozhi randum muzhichirukku or pennalla pennalla even now but it won't stand apart . But rahman with what he was that time i don't expect a yeh jo des hei tera or khalbali from him. I would say ,that time he could just deliver the gifted talent he got and it got easily accepted and stood apart. where as today, he is putting immense hard work on top of his gifts to stand apart. -Jamshid --- On Sun, 1/27/08, shanavas.chemmamkuz hi shanavas.chemmamkuz [EMAIL PROTECTED] com wrote: From: shanavas.chemmamkuz hi shanavas.chemmamkuz [EMAIL PROTECTED] com Subject: [arr] Re: Can someone define living up to ARR's own standards? To: arrahmanfans@ yahoogroups. com Date: Sunday, January 27, 2008, 7:34 PM I used to cry when i listen to Porale ponnuthayi from Karithamma and Ye ajnabi from Dil se. Pure magic!! I want the same magic back in Rahman music.I dont care Subash k jha or Joginder tuteja or any other so called critics, but i want all of them criticize Rahman now. WHAT IS THE PROBLEM IN PUSHING AN ARTIST WHO IS CAPABLE TO DELIVER EXTRA-ORDINARY MUSIC. fyi : Criticism is not new to AR. One south indian magazine called him one film wonder in Genteman review..But AR prove them wrong. Regards Shanavas --- In arrahmanfans@ yahoogroups. com, Chord [EMAIL PROTECTED] . wrote: I think it's a matter of taste, nothing more. I'm all for specific constructive criticism within reason. To hear Rahman not living up to his own standards for every fricking release of his nowadays is not within reason for me. Ok, there are some fans not as happy with Rahman's music today compared to the past. Of course they have a right to express what they feel. I have to accept that as THEIR OPINION, not a fact. Disappointed with the music for such and such reason? Fine with me. Didn't like the song for such and such reason? Ok! Rahman's not as good as he used to be? That's not getting past me! You mentioned hardly any songs unliked in Rahman's earlier days. Be careful of confounding variables including novelty, change in sound, music scene, music taste. Judging Rahman's music certainly requires an examination of the predominant music scene and most certainly, Rahman's music STOOD OUT more in his early days than today. To me, that doesn't make his music from that time period superior or a fulcrum by which to judge subsequent soundtracks. IMO if you asked Rahman himself whether his music has worsened over time or if he's not living up to his own standards from the past, I think he would scoff and say, of course not.. He sets the standard for himself each time he releases an album for better or for worse. I''m sure he has his favorites, but I'm pretty sure he would be just as proud or critical of his music back then as today. Yes, I agree, his songs have become more situational, but films too have become more specific in theme in content with diverse storylines demanding different types of music from Rahman. Rahman is more selective today too. I'm in my 30s. I'm a relatively late oncomer to Rahman's music (mid 90s) but I enjoy all his music from day 1 to now. I view him as a progressive artist who is maturing at every step and willing to experiment, even if all his experiments are not appreciated by the masses or his fans. I am just as critical of his music from Roja to Jodha Akbar and not all his music is
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I disagree here.Time won't affect the quality of music.Rahman used the same tune in 1994 and 2000 ,and both songs were appreciated. Porale Ponnuthayi - Karuthamma (1994) Chanda Suraj Lakhon Tare - Vande Matharam (2000)
[arr] ARR's Standard Deviation - Part I - Originality
Originality The most original songs of the 92-96 era, in my opinion, are Thee Thee from Thiruda Thiruda (93) and Mettupodu from Duet (94); and their respective albums too can be called the most original from ARR's highest creative standpoint. Roja would certainly have to be considered original if we compare ARR's originality to the relative originality of the musical backdrop of that era, but that is not what we are attempting here; I feel that compared with the aforementioned albums, Roja, along with the likes of Puthiya Mugham, Uzhavan, and Bombay would qualify as some of the most soulful and brilliantly crafted albums, but, not the most original; again, please keep in mind that my comparisons are confined to ARR’s body of work and not extended to any comparison’s with the work by any of his composer peers. Thiruda Thiruda (93) was a breakthrough album for ARR as he was able to match, if not exceed, the expectations surrounding his second post-Illayaraja Mani Ratnam production after Roja, which could not have been an easy task for a 25 year old who thought his first movie album would be his last! Thee Thee’s stunning energy and freshness is only the icing on the cake after the beautiful vocal tapestry of Raasathi, the operatic grandeur of Veerapandi Kottayile, and barring its close references to Michael Jackson-like dance beats, Chandralekha as well. Duet (94), on the other hand, with an unprecedented use of Kadiri Gopalnath and his saxophone to showcase Carnatic music, was quite a daringly original attempt for a movie; to say both maestros pulled it off with shocking success, would be an understatement. So, has there been a song/album of that calibre in recent times? I think it will be an accurate statement to say that there has not been a song like Thee Thee or Mettupodu in recent times, certainly not a conceptually original album of Duet’s kind, and most surely not an album for an Indian movie. Now why could that be? First of all, as you lose your youthful freshness and become enmeshed in a system, you lose a significant share of that rebellious spirit. Albert Einstein said during his latter years when he went on his quest to discover a Unified Field Theory, how much he wished he had that same rebellious spirit which fuelled his strength of mind and imaginative powers to overthrow the revered Laws of Sir Isaac Newton and his universe of absolute time and space with the new Relativity Theory. Similarly, in United States presidential politics, Sen. Barack Obama is touting his freshness in Washington as one of his biggest strengths for bringing about real change to the country. So, yes, time spent in any environment can significantly reduce your capacity for daring and originality, which is what we are seeing with ARR in India. However, let us not forget that we owe much of the advancement of the quality of Indian music to him and let’s not be surprised if his most original work comes from his work abroad because that environment is still new to him and he has many colors to show to the rest of the world where he is not yet legend! _ Shed those extra pounds with MSN and The Biggest Loser! http://biggestloser.msn.com/
[arr] Re: ARR's Standard Deviation - Part I - Originality
Hi Dasun.. That's really well thought, in depth writeup man. You really stole my words! :) I was thinking, how to explain 'chord' about defining ARR standards and you perfectly reflected my mind.. :) Keep it flowing.. Thanks.. -Avinash -- In arrahmanfans@yahoogroups.com, Dasun Abeysekera [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Originality The most original songs of the 92-96 era, in my opinion, are Thee Thee from Thiruda Thiruda (93) and Mettupodu from Duet (94); and their respective albums too can be called the most original from ARR's highest creative standpoint. Roja would certainly have to be considered original if we compare ARR's originality to the relative originality of the musical backdrop of that era, but that is not what we are attempting here; I feel that compared with the aforementioned albums, Roja, along with the likes of Puthiya Mugham, Uzhavan, and Bombay would qualify as some of the most soulful and brilliantly crafted albums, but, not the most original; again, please keep in mind that my comparisons are confined to ARR's body of work and not extended to any comparison's with the work by any of his composer peers. Thiruda Thiruda (93) was a breakthrough album for ARR as he was able to match, if not exceed, the expectations surrounding his second post-Illayaraja Mani Ratnam production after Roja, which could not have been an easy task for a 25 year old who thought his first movie album would be his last! Thee Thee's stunning energy and freshness is only the icing on the cake after the beautiful vocal tapestry of Raasathi, the operatic grandeur of Veerapandi Kottayile, and barring its close references to Michael Jackson-like dance beats, Chandralekha as well. Duet (94), on the other hand, with an unprecedented use of Kadiri Gopalnath and his saxophone to showcase Carnatic music, was quite a daringly original attempt for a movie; to say both maestros pulled it off with shocking success, would be an understatement. So, has there been a song/album of that calibre in recent times? I think it will be an accurate statement to say that there has not been a song like Thee Thee or Mettupodu in recent times, certainly not a conceptually original album of Duet's kind, and most surely not an album for an Indian movie. Now why could that be? First of all, as you lose your youthful freshness and become enmeshed in a system, you lose a significant share of that rebellious spirit. Albert Einstein said during his latter years when he went on his quest to discover a Unified Field Theory, how much he wished he had that same rebellious spirit which fuelled his strength of mind and imaginative powers to overthrow the revered Laws of Sir Isaac Newton and his universe of absolute time and space with the new Relativity Theory. Similarly, in United States presidential politics, Sen. Barack Obama is touting his freshness in Washington as one of his biggest strengths for bringing about real change to the country. So, yes, time spent in any environment can significantly reduce your capacity for daring and originality, which is what we are seeing with ARR in India. However, let us not forget that we owe much of the advancement of the quality of Indian music to him and let's not be surprised if his most original work comes from his work abroad because that environment is still new to him and he has many colors to show to the rest of the world where he is not yet legend! _ Shed those extra pounds with MSN and The Biggest Loser! http://biggestloser.msn.com/
Re: [arr] Re: ARR's Standard Deviation - Part I - Originality
well I feel thats nonsense. You can see his original works in earth then onto lagaan and then upto swades atleast. Not to mention water ! On Jan 28, 2008 12:08 PM, : Avinash : [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hi Dasun.. That's really well thought, in depth writeup man. You really stole my words! :) I was thinking, how to explain 'chord' about defining ARR standards and you perfectly reflected my mind.. :) Keep it flowing.. Thanks.. -Avinash -- In arrahmanfans@yahoogroups.com arrahmanfans%40yahoogroups.com, Dasun Abeysekera [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Originality The most original songs of the 92-96 era, in my opinion, are Thee Thee from Thiruda Thiruda (93) and Mettupodu from Duet (94); and their respective albums too can be called the most original from ARR's highest creative standpoint. Roja would certainly have to be considered original if we compare ARR's originality to the relative originality of the musical backdrop of that era, but that is not what we are attempting here; I feel that compared with the aforementioned albums, Roja, along with the likes of Puthiya Mugham, Uzhavan, and Bombay would qualify as some of the most soulful and brilliantly crafted albums, but, not the most original; again, please keep in mind that my comparisons are confined to ARR's body of work and not extended to any comparison's with the work by any of his composer peers. Thiruda Thiruda (93) was a breakthrough album for ARR as he was able to match, if not exceed, the expectations surrounding his second post-Illayaraja Mani Ratnam production after Roja, which could not have been an easy task for a 25 year old who thought his first movie album would be his last! Thee Thee's stunning energy and freshness is only the icing on the cake after the beautiful vocal tapestry of Raasathi, the operatic grandeur of Veerapandi Kottayile, and barring its close references to Michael Jackson-like dance beats, Chandralekha as well. Duet (94), on the other hand, with an unprecedented use of Kadiri Gopalnath and his saxophone to showcase Carnatic music, was quite a daringly original attempt for a movie; to say both maestros pulled it off with shocking success, would be an understatement. So, has there been a song/album of that calibre in recent times? I think it will be an accurate statement to say that there has not been a song like Thee Thee or Mettupodu in recent times, certainly not a conceptually original album of Duet's kind, and most surely not an album for an Indian movie. Now why could that be? First of all, as you lose your youthful freshness and become enmeshed in a system, you lose a significant share of that rebellious spirit. Albert Einstein said during his latter years when he went on his quest to discover a Unified Field Theory, how much he wished he had that same rebellious spirit which fuelled his strength of mind and imaginative powers to overthrow the revered Laws of Sir Isaac Newton and his universe of absolute time and space with the new Relativity Theory. Similarly, in United States presidential politics, Sen. Barack Obama is touting his freshness in Washington as one of his biggest strengths for bringing about real change to the country. So, yes, time spent in any environment can significantly reduce your capacity for daring and originality, which is what we are seeing with ARR in India. However, let us not forget that we owe much of the advancement of the quality of Indian music to him and let's not be surprised if his most original work comes from his work abroad because that environment is still new to him and he has many colors to show to the rest of the world where he is not yet legend! __ Shed those extra pounds with MSN and The Biggest Loser! http://biggestloser.msn.com/
[arr] Re: ARR's Standard Deviation - Part I - Originality
Dasun, Well worded effort in defining Rahman sound. Please do continue. For a long time there was no discussion on the group worth a challange. I do agree with the concern you and Ronojoy have expressed and there is nothing wrong in a healthy debate. It is essential to for all to understand that critical comments are not necessarily bad press. I know there are many in this group who wish to go deep into Rahman's music and search for the specific gems which Rahman is known for. Best regards Dinesh Vaidya Pune --- In arrahmanfans@yahoogroups.com, Dasun Abeysekera [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Originality The most original songs of the 92-96 era, in my opinion, are Thee Thee from Thiruda Thiruda (93) and Mettupodu from Duet (94); and their respective albums too can be called the most original from ARR's highest creative standpoint. Roja would certainly have to be
[arr] Re: Negative reviews sadden me
Everyone is entitled to their opinion, if it is well formed and well written. If a reviewer is clearly anti-ARR or has a chip on his shoulder or whatever, then he's clearly an idiot. --- In arrahmanfans@yahoogroups.com, Chord [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I know I know, it's only important that I love the music, right? I could say that, but I'd be in denial. It DOES bother me that when I consider a soundtrack to be a masterpiece, many others, not just one review, think it's average or below. I can justify, rationalize, intellectualize all I want (they don't know class music, they have poor taste, etc. etc.), but fact is, I do feel sad for ARR.
[arr] Re: ARR's Standard Deviation - Part I - Originality
Dasun is talking about 92-96 era. Earth released on 98. --- In arrahmanfans@yahoogroups.com, Gomzy [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: well I feel thats nonsense. You can see his original works in earth then onto lagaan and then upto swades atleast. Not to mention water ! On Jan 28, 2008 12:08 PM, : Avinash : [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hi Dasun.. That's really well thought, in depth writeup man. You really stole my words! :) I was thinking, how to explain 'chord' about defining ARR standards and you perfectly reflected my mind.. :) Keep it flowing.. Thanks.. -Avinash -- In arrahmanfans@yahoogroups.com arrahmanfans% 40yahoogroups.com, Dasun Abeysekera dtdja@ wrote: Originality The most original songs of the 92-96 era, in my opinion, are Thee Thee from Thiruda Thiruda (93) and Mettupodu from Duet (94); and their respective albums too can be called the most original from ARR's highest creative standpoint. Roja would certainly have to be considered original if we compare ARR's originality to the relative originality of the musical backdrop of that era, but that is not what we are attempting here; I feel that compared with the aforementioned albums, Roja, along with the likes of Puthiya Mugham, Uzhavan, and Bombay would qualify as some of the most soulful and brilliantly crafted albums, but, not the most original; again, please keep in mind that my comparisons are confined to ARR's body of work and not extended to any comparison's with the work by any of his composer peers. Thiruda Thiruda (93) was a breakthrough album for ARR as he was able to match, if not exceed, the expectations surrounding his second post-Illayaraja Mani Ratnam production after Roja, which could not have been an easy task for a 25 year old who thought his first movie album would be his last! Thee Thee's stunning energy and freshness is only the icing on the cake after the beautiful vocal tapestry of Raasathi, the operatic grandeur of Veerapandi Kottayile, and barring its close references to Michael Jackson-like dance beats, Chandralekha as well. Duet (94), on the other hand, with an unprecedented use of Kadiri Gopalnath and his saxophone to showcase Carnatic music, was quite a daringly original attempt for a movie; to say both maestros pulled it off with shocking success, would be an understatement. So, has there been a song/album of that calibre in recent times? I think it will be an accurate statement to say that there has not been a song like Thee Thee or Mettupodu in recent times, certainly not a conceptually original album of Duet's kind, and most surely not an album for an Indian movie. Now why could that be? First of all, as you lose your youthful freshness and become enmeshed in a system, you lose a significant share of that rebellious spirit. Albert Einstein said during his latter years when he went on his quest to discover a Unified Field Theory, how much he wished he had that same rebellious spirit which fuelled his strength of mind and imaginative powers to overthrow the revered Laws of Sir Isaac Newton and his universe of absolute time and space with the new Relativity Theory. Similarly, in United States presidential politics, Sen. Barack Obama is touting his freshness in Washington as one of his biggest strengths for bringing about real change to the country. So, yes, time spent in any environment can significantly reduce your capacity for daring and originality, which is what we are seeing with ARR in India. However, let us not forget that we owe much of the advancement of the quality of Indian music to him and let's not be surprised if his most original work comes from his work abroad because that environment is still new to him and he has many colors to show to the rest of the world where he is not yet legend! __ Shed those extra pounds with MSN and The Biggest Loser! http://biggestloser.msn.com/
