Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] generating free energy by using chrystal
What are the environmental costs of solar panel production. Take a look at this article about China a leading producer of panelshttps://www.adbusters.org/magazine/121/revolution-or-collapse.html Logitech Media Server Version: 7.9.0 - 1436858598 @ Thu Jul 16 12:58:13 UTC 2015 Operating system: Debian - EN - utf8Platform Architecture: x86_64-linux Perl Version: 5.18.2 - x86_64-linux-gnu-thread-multi Database Version: DBD::SQLite 1.34_01 (sqlite 3.7.7.1) One SB Touch connected by ethernet - Denon AVR -1912 Receiver, Paradigm 4.1 speakers Two SB Radios wireless SlimChances's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=165 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=104207 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/audiophiles
Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] generating free energy by using chrystal
cliveb wrote: > Here in the UK it seems to be getting windier with each passing year. If > a wind farm would indeed reduce the wind as you suggest, then I'd be > very happy to have a big one built upwind of my local golf course :-) http://www.cnbc.com/2015/09/01/financial-times-us-clean-energy-suffers-from-lack-of-wind.html Logitech Media Server Version: 7.9.0 - 1436858598 @ Thu Jul 16 12:58:13 UTC 2015 Operating system: Debian - EN - utf8Platform Architecture: x86_64-linux Perl Version: 5.18.2 - x86_64-linux-gnu-thread-multi Database Version: DBD::SQLite 1.34_01 (sqlite 3.7.7.1) One SB Touch connected by ethernet - Denon AVR -1912 Receiver, Paradigm 4.1 speakers Two SB Radios wireless SlimChances's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=165 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=104207 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/audiophiles
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ralphpnj wrote: > What I mean is that as the wind blows through a wind turbine farm a > portion of the wind energy is converted to electricity and the wind that > exits the wind farm now has less power in it ... Here in the UK it seems to be getting windier with each passing year. If a wind farm would indeed reduce the wind as you suggest, then I'd be very happy to have a big one built upwind of my local golf course :-) Transporter -> ATC SCM100A cliveb's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=348 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=104207 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/audiophiles
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ralphpnj wrote: > > If I sound overly pessimistic it's because the history mankind has shown > mankind to be really, really good at two things: > > 1) killing each other > > 2) turning abundance into scarcity 3) Making babies at a rate that provides fuel for 1) and exacerbates 2). atrocity's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=16009 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=104207 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/audiophiles
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ralphpnj wrote: > What I was getting at is that after flowing around wind turbine the air > will have less energy and apparently will also be more turbulent. So be > it. However, I really don't think understand just how incredible an > energy source fossil fuels are, regardless of their terrible downsides. > Replace them will be much, much harder than most people realize. And as > I stated earlier, the amount of wind turbines and solar arrays and > storage batteries that would be needed is mind boggling. Really it is, > just do the math and you'll begin to understand. With even 50% of the > amount needed there would effects, most likely adverse effects, on the > local and global environment. What those effects will be is difficult to > calculate but that does not mean that wind and solar power should be > prohibited but only that we should proceed with caution. But of course > we won't. > > Anyway at the rate we're going, at least here in the US, there won't be > enough fossil fuel left to manufacture and install all the wind turbines > and solar panels needed. Sad but true. Yes, it is too bad that none of that newly found oil and gas that forms reserves that extend into the next century and has already profoundly depressed energy market prices, can possibly used to manufacture to manufacture solar panels, windmills or heaven forbid nuclear power plants ;-) arnyk's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=64365 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=104207 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/audiophiles
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arnyk wrote: > Yes, it is too bad that none of that newly found oil and gas that forms > reserves that extend into the next century and has already profoundly > depressed energy market prices, can possibly used to manufacture solar > panels, windmills or heaven forbid nuclear power plants ;-) As long as there is (the illusion of) an abundant supply of fossil fuels then mankind will be easily convinced that there is no need to build all those costly wind and solar farms. However once the supply of fossil fuels starts to dwindle rationing will begin and using fossil fuels to build wind and solar farms will be at the very bottom of the rationing list. The cost of building SAFE nuclear power plants makes nuclear power a complete non-starter until the price of fossil fuels becomes extremely high, which will also mean that high cost of building SAFE nuclear power plants will also go up. A vicious circle. If I sound overly pessimistic it's because the history mankind has shown mankind to be really, really good at two things: 1) killing each other 2) turning abundance into scarcity I think the chances of mankind reversing either or both of these traits at anytime in the future is slim to none. Living Rm: Transporter-SimAudio pre/power amps-Vandersteen 3A Sign. & sub Home Theater: Touch-Marantz HTR-Energy Veritas 2.1 & Linn sub Computer Rm: Touch-Headroom Desktop w/DAC-Aragon amp-Energy Veritas 2.1 & Energy sub Bedroom: Touch-HR Desktop w/DAC-Audio Refinement amp-Energy Veritas 2.0 Guest Rm: Duet-Sony soundbar Garage: SB3-JVC compact system Controls: iPeng; SB Controller; Moose & Muso Server: SBS on dedicated windows 7 computer w/2 Drobos 'Last.fm' (http://www.last.fm/user/jazzfann/) ralphpnj's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=10827 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=104207 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/audiophiles
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Julf wrote: > A perfect example of the 'Dunning-Kruger effect' > (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dunning%E2%80%93Kruger_effect). You just spoke for yourself, whether or not you are self-aware to perceive it or not. arnyk's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=64365 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=104207 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/audiophiles
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arnyk wrote: > You just spoke for yourself, whether or not you are self-aware to > perceive it or not. Of course. "To try to judge the real from the false will always be hard. In this fast-growing art of 'high fidelity' the quackery will bear a solid gilt edge that will fool many people" - Paul W Klipsch, 1953 Julf's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=42050 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=104207 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/audiophiles
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arnyk wrote: > At the least wind turbines can extract energy from wind without slowing > it, as they can extract significant energy by just making the wind > turbulent, thus increasing its entropy. The wind turbine can't extract any energy without slowing the wind down - as the wind passes the turbine disk there is a step change in wind speed, with the change in kinetic energy of the wind being where the power comes from. Producing turbulence - initially in the form of bound and tip vortices - is an essential part of generating lift and power, fundamentally limiting the efficiency of the energy conversion. utgg's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=40900 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=104207 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/audiophiles
Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] generating free energy by using chrystal
What I was getting at is that after flowing around wind turbine the air will have less energy and apparently will also be more turbulent. So be it. However, I really don't think understand just how incredible an energy source fossil fuels are, regardless of their terrible downsides. Replace them will be much, much harder than most people realize. And as I stated earlier, the amount of wind turbines and solar arrays and storage batteries that would be needed is mind boggling. Really it is, just do the math and you'll begin to understand. With even 50% of the amount needed there would effects, most likely adverse effects, on the local and global environment. What those effects will be is difficult to calculate but that does not mean that wind and solar power should be prohibited but only that we should proceed with caution. But of course we won't. Anyway at the rate we're going, at least here in the US, there won't be enough fossil fuel left to manufacture and install all the wind turbines and solar panels needed. Sad but true. Living Rm: Transporter-SimAudio pre/power amps-Vandersteen 3A Sign. & sub Home Theater: Touch-Marantz HTR-Energy Veritas 2.1 & Linn sub Computer Rm: Touch-Headroom Desktop w/DAC-Aragon amp-Energy Veritas 2.1 & Energy sub Bedroom: Touch-HR Desktop w/DAC-Audio Refinement amp-Energy Veritas 2.0 Guest Rm: Duet-Sony soundbar Garage: SB3-JVC compact system Controls: iPeng; SB Controller; Moose & Muso Server: SBS on dedicated windows 7 computer w/2 Drobos 'Last.fm' (http://www.last.fm/user/jazzfann/) ralphpnj's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=10827 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=104207 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/audiophiles
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The albedo things was an interesting angle. But then what regatding all black roooftops and roads . Then it should be mandatory to have a reflective or white roof ? The albedo is a real problem when the large ice sheets og the ar tic and antarctic melts , its basically a runawy effect . And during ice ages you can get runaway in the other direction " snowball earth " is a scenario that it s speculated that we could had during some epok a very long time ago . Main hifi: Touch + CIA PS +MeridianG68J MeridianHD621 MeridianG98DH 2 x MeridianDSP5200 MeridianDSP5200HC 2 xMeridianDSP3100 +Rel Stadium 3 sub. Bedroom/Office: Boom Kitchen: Touch + powered Fostex PM0.4 Misc use: Radio (with battery) iPad1 with iPengHD & SqueezePad (spares Touch, SB3, reciever ,controller ) server HP proliant micro server N36L with ClearOS Linux http://people.xiph.org/~xiphmont/demo/neil-young.html Mnyb's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=4143 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=104207 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/audiophiles
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RonM wrote: > I wouldn't think that wind turbines would have a significant impact on > weather patterns as a function of slowing down the wind. It would take > truly vast arrays of turbines to do this. I tried some cursory searches > and couldn't find anything on the topic, although there is lots of > discussion on other impacts, e.g. land use, effects on birds and bats, > health impacts on people, etc. > > The albedo of solar panels is a different matter. The Superfreakenomics > people have suggested that the low albedo of solar panels results in > more heat energy being trapped with a potential global warming impact. > The analysis of this claim that I've seen suggests it's not true, see > for example > http://www.quora.com/Do-solar-panels-make-global-warming-worse-by-storing-heat. It will take enormously vast arrays of wind turbines and solar panels to generate enough electricity to replace all the electricity presently being generated by fossil fuels, in addition to an enormous amount of storage batteries. Just saying Living Rm: Transporter-SimAudio pre/power amps-Vandersteen 3A Sign. & sub Home Theater: Touch-Marantz HTR-Energy Veritas 2.1 & Linn sub Computer Rm: Touch-Headroom Desktop w/DAC-Aragon amp-Energy Veritas 2.1 & Energy sub Bedroom: Touch-HR Desktop w/DAC-Audio Refinement amp-Energy Veritas 2.0 Guest Rm: Duet-Sony soundbar Garage: SB3-JVC compact system Controls: iPeng; SB Controller; Moose & Muso Server: SBS on dedicated windows 7 computer w/2 Drobos 'Last.fm' (http://www.last.fm/user/jazzfann/) ralphpnj's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=10827 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=104207 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/audiophiles
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RonM wrote: > I wouldn't think that wind turbines would have a significant impact on > weather patterns as a function of slowing down the wind. It would take > truly vast arrays of turbines to do this. I tried some cursory searches > and couldn't find anything on the topic, although there is lots of > discussion on other impacts, e.g. land use, effects on birds and bats, > health impacts on people, etc. > It seems like wind turbines would have to be thick and dense to significantly slow down the wind. If they did so to any degree the effect would be bounded by some reasonable distances above and around them. Man made heat islands do seem to significantly affect weather patterns over large areas but their areas of influence are huge and dense. At the least wind turbines can extract energy from wind without slowing it, as they can extract significant energy by just making the wind turbulent, thus increasing its entropy. That they make the wind downstream of them at last locally turbulent seems to have a lot of evidence to support it in terms of the bird kills, etc. The absence of clear and obvious evidence that they substantially slow the wind could be meaningful. arnyk's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=64365 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=104207 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/audiophiles
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arnyk wrote: > It seems like wind turbines would have to be thick and dense to > significantly slow down the wind. If they did so to any degree the > effect would be bounded by some reasonable distances above and around > them. > > Man made heat islands do seem to significantly affect weather patterns > over large areas but their areas of influence are huge and dense. > > At the least wind turbines can extract energy from wind without slowing > it, as they can extract significant energy by just making the wind > turbulent, thus increasing its entropy. > > That they make the wind downstream of them at last locally turbulent > seems to have a lot of evidence to support it in terms of the bird > kills, etc. > > The absence of clear and obvious evidence that they substantially slow > the wind could be meaningful. Rather confused thinking there about extracting energy by making the wind turbulent. Turbulence creates drag, the last thing the windmill designers want. They want laminar flow creating variations in pressure as it flows over the blades, thus creating thrust which is translated to angular motion. this harvard study seems to suggest that the wind does slow down and may affect regional weather. http://wattsupwiththat.com/2013/02/25/rethinking-wind-power-harvard-study-shows-it-to-be-overestimated/ "Each wind turbine creates behind it a wind shadow in which the air has been slowed down by drag on the turbines blades. The ideal wind farm strikes a balance, packing as many turbines onto the land as possible, while also spacing them enough to reduce the impact of these wind shadows. But as wind farms grow larger, they start to interact, and the regional-scale wind patterns matter more." Touch optimisations http://touchsgotrythm.blogspot.co.uk/ SBGK's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=52003 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=104207 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/audiophiles
Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] generating free energy by using chrystal
There more alternative energy sources , there will not be one or two dominant solutions in the future as it is now . Nuclear will be back for example in different forms like Thorium reactors. Bio fuels geothermal power tidal power ,wave power and many more locals solutions . And fusion is as always 50 years away ;) realistically it will be for some time And cars with some economic "stimulation" people could by coaxed to not drive around in those "monster trucks" aka suv and other needlessly large obscenities that are popular especially in the U.S. :) Just changing building code would save massive amounts of energy in many countries . Proper insulation helps a lot both in cool and varm climates and 3 glass windows gas insulated . The potential here is actually around at least 50% . A number that it's not entirely fictional is by just using existing tech to phase out old tech energy savings again around at least 50% is possible trough the whole society. It s just to cheap to waste energy . I visited a friend in Boston ,he lived in an apartment building with one glass windows ?? And steam radiators ?? and barely insulated walls ?. Of course with a simple oil heater in the basement the energy saving potential here was probably >80% , No such house has been built where I live since before WW2 . A popular thing right now for example is remote cooling ,district heating but you distribute coold . In some cases actually feeding r example excess heat from for example office buildings back to district heating system . Or use lakes as sources of coold . Main hifi: Touch + CIA PS +MeridianG68J MeridianHD621 MeridianG98DH 2 x MeridianDSP5200 MeridianDSP5200HC 2 xMeridianDSP3100 +Rel Stadium 3 sub. Bedroom/Office: Boom Kitchen: Touch + powered Fostex PM0.4 Misc use: Radio (with battery) iPad1 with iPengHD & SqueezePad (spares Touch, SB3, reciever ,controller ) server HP proliant micro server N36L with ClearOS Linux http://people.xiph.org/~xiphmont/demo/neil-young.html Mnyb's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=4143 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=104207 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/audiophiles
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SBGK wrote: > Or what ? It was just a friendly suggestion to avoid the impression that you just disappear off into silence whenever someone asks questions that shows the errors in your arguments. All up to you if you choose to answer or run away. As it is off-topic to this thread, I'll leave it at that. "To try to judge the real from the false will always be hard. In this fast-growing art of 'high fidelity' the quackery will bear a solid gilt edge that will fool many people" - Paul W Klipsch, 1953 Julf's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=42050 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=104207 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/audiophiles
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SBGK wrote: > Still don't understand what you mean't by 'they can extract significant > energy by just making the wind turbulent'. > That's due to an apparent lack of knowledge of the the over-arching principles of Thermodynamics which rule the universe as we know it. > > I think they would extract more energy by minimizing turbulence, > That is generally true. > > think it's aerodynamics you need to be studying instead of > thermodynamics. The problem at hand would appear to be due to a lack of knowledge about what you don't know. IOW you lack a good top level knowledge of thermodynamics. You've got to get over your apparent belief that you are as educated as anybody. You obviously aren't. That makes you an easy target. arnyk's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=64365 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=104207 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/audiophiles
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arnyk wrote: > You've got to get over your apparent belief that you are as educated as > anybody. You obviously aren't. That makes you an easy target. A perfect example of the 'Dunning-Kruger effect' (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dunning%E2%80%93Kruger_effect). "To try to judge the real from the false will always be hard. In this fast-growing art of 'high fidelity' the quackery will bear a solid gilt edge that will fool many people" - Paul W Klipsch, 1953 Julf's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=42050 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=104207 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/audiophiles
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arnyk wrote: > Of course turbulence creates drag - that's obvious. However the above > statement shows a lack of understanding about the basics of > thermodynamics. > > The above seems to ignore the fundamentals of energy extraction. I see a > complete lack of appreciation of entropy and its role in energy > conversion. > > > > Of course everybody wants laminar flow in their wind machines and other > airfoils, but that ignores the global consequences of extracting energy > from a flow of air. > > One might be naive and think that the only way to extract energy from a > flow of air is to slow it down. However an improved understanding of > thermodynamics tells us that the overall method is based on increasing > entropy. > > Perhaps the obsession with laminar flow over the airfoil has led to a > lack of realization that the air that has passed over the airfoil by any > means becomes more turbulent downstream of the area of laminar flow. > > > > That is a very imaginative reading! > > Let's be clear - there is no free lunch, never well be and that is the > gist of what the article says. > > However, there are no actual findings of significant climatic changes in > that article. At the most they are suggested, but only vaguely so. > > Of course the changes have to exist, but what they are needs to be > quantified. If there is actual quantification, are please quote it I'm > not finding it. > > Merely finding a change or different is what Golden Ear merchandisers > do. It's called "Raising a concern". It is often actually just FUD. The > evils of high end audio are largely based on unquantified effects that > are actually microscopic and irrelevant to reliably perceived sound > quality. > > > > That would appear to be innuendo and statement of truisms, not actual > identification or quantification of actual effects. I have no doubt > that there are wind shadows. The relevance of the issue is highly > dependent on what they are, not that they exist at all. > > Calling people Confused when the only evidence at hand is based on > speculation and innuendo of unquantified effects suggests things like > poor critical thinking or a desire to extract an emotional toll for the > purposes of personal satisfaction. Still don't understand what you mean't by 'they can extract significant energy by just making the wind turbulent'. I think they would extract more energy by minimising turbulence, think it's aerodynamics you need to be studying instead of thermodynamics. Touch optimisations http://touchsgotrythm.blogspot.co.uk/ SBGK's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=52003 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=104207 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/audiophiles
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SBGK wrote: > Rather confused thinking there about extracting energy by making the > wind turbulent. Turbulence creates drag, the last thing the windmill > designers want. > Of course turbulence creates drag - that's obvious. However the above statement shows a lack of understanding about the basics of thermodynamics. The above seems to ignore the fundamentals of energy extraction. I see a complete lack of appreciation of entropy and its role in energy conversion. > > They want laminar flow creating variations in pressure as it flows over > the blades, thus creating thrust which is translated to angular motion. > > Of course everybody wants laminar flow in their wind machines and other airfoils, but that ignores the global consequences of extracting energy from a flow of air. One might be naive and think that the only way to extract energy from a flow of air is to slow it down. However an improved understanding of thermodynamics tells us that the overall method is based on increasing entropy. Perhaps the obsession with laminar flow over the airfoil has led to a lack of realization that the air that has passed over the airfoil by any means becomes more turbulent downstream of the area of laminar flow. > > this Harvard study seems to suggest that the wind does slow down and may > affect regional weather. > > http://wattsupwiththat.com/2013/02/25/rethinking-wind-power-harvard-study-shows-it-to-be-overestimated/ > That is a very imaginative reading! Let's be clear - there is no free lunch, never well be and that is the gist of what the article says. However, there are no actual findings of significant climatic changes in that article. At the most they are suggested, but only vaguely so. Of course the changes have to exist, but what they are needs to be quantified. If there is actual quantification, are please quote it I'm not finding it. Merely finding a change or different is what Golden Ear merchandisers do. It's called "Raising a concern". It is often actually just FUD. The evils of high end audio are largely based on unquantified effects that are actually microscopic and irrelevant to reliably perceived sound quality. > > "Each wind turbine creates behind it a wind shadow in which the air > has been slowed down by drag on the turbines blades. The ideal wind > farm strikes a balance, packing as many turbines onto the land as > possible, while also spacing them enough to reduce the impact of these > wind shadows. But as wind farms grow larger, they start to interact, and > the regional-scale wind patterns matter more." That would appear to be innuendo and statement of truisms, not actual identification or quantification of actual effects. I have no doubt that there are wind shadows. The relevance of the issue is highly dependent on what they are, not that they exist at all. Calling people Confused when the only evidence at hand is based on speculation and innuendo of unquantified effects suggests things like poor critical thinking or a desire to extract an emotional toll for the purposes of personal satisfaction. arnyk's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=64365 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=104207 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/audiophiles
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SBGK wrote: > Rather confused thinking there about extracting energy by making the > wind turbulent. Ah, nice to have you back! Now that you are here, how about the 'unfinished business' (http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?104136-MEASUREMENTS-Audiophile-Sound-and-Operating-Systems-(Windows-8-1-Windows-10-)=827775=1#post827775)? "To try to judge the real from the false will always be hard. In this fast-growing art of 'high fidelity' the quackery will bear a solid gilt edge that will fool many people" - Paul W Klipsch, 1953 Julf's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=42050 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=104207 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/audiophiles
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Julf wrote: > Ah, nice to have you back! Now that you are here, how about the > 'unfinished business' > (http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?104136-MEASUREMENTS-Audiophile-Sound-and-Operating-Systems-(Windows-8-1-Windows-10-)=827775=1#post827775)? Or what ? Touch optimisations http://touchsgotrythm.blogspot.co.uk/ SBGK's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=52003 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=104207 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/audiophiles
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ralphpnj wrote: > On a related note concerning the lack of understanding of basic > scientific principles check out this article on batteries published in > yesterday's Christian Science Monitor: > > http://www.csmonitor.com/Environment/Energy/2015/0830/How-a-new-battery-revolution-will-change-your-life > > Basically the article fails to fully understand that the batteries being > discussed are storage batteries and the power being stored by the > batteries has to come from another power source. So while the article > does mention that these batteries can used to make solar and wind power > available during times of no sun or wind, it fails to understand that > the vast majority of electricity that goes into the vast storage > batteries initially comes from a power plant burning fossil fuels, > particularly those being used in electric automobiles. Add to this the > fact the article manages to discuss the future batteries and energy > without even the slightest mention of climate change, climate change > that is being driven by the burning of fossil fuels. I disagree. I think the author understands the scientific principles very well; the undertone of the article is very much about energy storage being an very important part of a renewable energy future. Numbers are important though - and this article fails to put the few numbers it has into proper context, as is usual... Some numbers I can see there are: current battery storage is 100GWh, expected to increase to 160GWh by 2020 - these are meaningless figures to most readers. Better is "Musk calculated it would take roughly 2 billion Powerpacks to electrify the entire world". If those are his 10kWh packs, I make that 2e13 Wh of storage capacity, or 200 times current battery storage capacity above. I big step up, but doable I guess. Is even that enough though? Here's some numbers I've just extracted from http://www.iea.org/publications/freepublications/publication/keyworld2014.pdf : 2012 total annual worldwide energy consumption: 1.04e17 Wh/year. Only 20% of that is electricity, the rest of it is basically fossil fuel burnt at point of use in an engine, for heating or some chemical process. In a renewable energy future the whole lot would essentially need to be electricity. And that number is only going to get bigger... Musk's 2e13 Wh of storage would keep the world running for 100 minutes. I'd venture to suggest that at least a whole day's worth of storage capacity would be needed to buffer out the variability in solar and wind power. I.e. 14 times as much as Musk suggests - 28 billion of his Powerpacks or 2800 times current battery storage capacity... Perhaps a more practical energy storage technology is kinetic energy storage, ultimately in the very useful form of a Launch Loop: http://launchloop.com/PowerLoop. utgg's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=40900 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=104207 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/audiophiles
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utgg wrote: > I disagree. I think the author understands the scientific principles > very well; the undertone of the article is very much about energy > storage being an very important part of a renewable energy future. > Numbers are important though - and this article fails to put the few > numbers it has into proper context, as is usual... Some numbers I can > see there are: current battery storage is 100GWh, expected to increase > to 160GWh by 2020 - these are meaningless figures to most readers. > Better is "Musk calculated it would take roughly 2 billion Powerpacks to > electrify the entire world". If those are his 10kWh packs, I make that > 2e13 Wh of storage capacity, or 200 times current battery storage > capacity above. I big step up, but doable I guess. Is even that enough > though? > > Here's some numbers I've just extracted from > http://www.iea.org/publications/freepublications/publication/keyworld2014.pdf > : > 2012 total annual worldwide energy consumption: 1.04e17 Wh/year. Only > 20% of that is electricity, the rest of it is basically fossil fuel > burnt at point of use in an engine, for heating or some chemical > process. In a renewable energy future the whole lot would essentially > need to be electricity. And that number is only going to get bigger... > Musk's 2e13 Wh of storage would keep the world running for 100 minutes. > I'd venture to suggest that at least a whole day's worth of storage > capacity would be needed to buffer out the variability in solar and wind > power. I.e. 14 times as much as Musk suggests - 28 billion of his > Powerpacks or 2800 times current battery storage capacity... > > Perhaps a more practical energy storage technology is kinetic energy > storage, ultimately in the very useful form of a Launch Loop: > http://launchloop.com/PowerLoop. Okay I accept your comments but once again there is the issue of switching from fossil fuel being consumed at the point of use to electricity. And where is that electricity going to come from? My point is that that electricity cannot come from all these batteries since these batteries are STORAGE batteries, i.e. batteries that storage electricity rather than batteries that generate electricity, and as such these batteries need the electricity that they store to come from another source. So for example all those Tesla "free" charging stations have to get the electricity from somewhere, whether the Tesla owner has to pay to recharge the battery or not. Presently in the US the percentage of electricity that is generated from fossil fuels is 67% (http://www.eia.gov/tools/faqs/faq.cfm?id=427=3) and regardless of how many STORAGE batteries and electric cars there are this percentage will not change all that much. So please explain how STORAGE batteries are going to save the world from climate change being caused by burning fossil fuels? Living Rm: Transporter-SimAudio pre/power amps-Vandersteen 3A Sign. & sub Home Theater: Touch-Marantz HTR-Energy Veritas 2.1 & Linn sub Computer Rm: Touch-Headroom Desktop w/DAC-Aragon amp-Energy Veritas 2.1 & Energy sub Bedroom: Touch-HR Desktop w/DAC-Audio Refinement amp-Energy Veritas 2.0 Guest Rm: Duet-Sony soundbar Garage: SB3-JVC compact system Controls: iPeng; SB Controller; Moose & Muso Server: SBS on dedicated windows 7 computer w/2 Drobos 'Last.fm' (http://www.last.fm/user/jazzfann/) ralphpnj's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=10827 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=104207 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/audiophiles
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SlimChances wrote: > Conservation means using less energy more than changing the source of > electricity. Truer words have never been spoken or written. Sounds to me like you know EXACTLY what you're talking about :) Living Rm: Transporter-SimAudio pre/power amps-Vandersteen 3A Sign. & sub Home Theater: Touch-Marantz HTR-Energy Veritas 2.1 & Linn sub Computer Rm: Touch-Headroom Desktop w/DAC-Aragon amp-Energy Veritas 2.1 & Energy sub Bedroom: Touch-HR Desktop w/DAC-Audio Refinement amp-Energy Veritas 2.0 Guest Rm: Duet-Sony soundbar Garage: SB3-JVC compact system Controls: iPeng; SB Controller; Moose & Muso Server: SBS on dedicated windows 7 computer w/2 Drobos 'Last.fm' (http://www.last.fm/user/jazzfann/) ralphpnj's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=10827 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=104207 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/audiophiles
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ralphpnj wrote: > > > Presently in the US the percentage of electricity that is generated from > fossil fuels is 67% (http://www.eia.gov/tools/faqs/faq.cfm?id=427=3) > and regardless of how many STORAGE batteries and electric cars there are > this percentage will not change all that much. > > So please explain how STORAGE batteries are going to save the world from > climate change being caused by burning fossil fuels? I would think demand for fossil fuel generated electricity would go up as a percentage as demand for electric batteries/cars goes up(perhaps the demand for fossil fuel for vehicles goes down but they said that about computers and paper use too and the opposite happened, more paper is used). Probably this would entail more coal plants (possibly clean technology). There is a loss in efficiency at the power plant,transmission lines, the battery and the conversion from battery to power for the vehicle I admittedly know very little about physics but this looks like a dead loss as far as conseving resources go. Conservation means using less energy more than changing the source of electricity. Logitech Media Server Version: 7.9.0 - 1436858598 @ Thu Jul 16 12:58:13 UTC 2015 Operating system: Debian - EN - utf8Platform Architecture: x86_64-linux Perl Version: 5.18.2 - x86_64-linux-gnu-thread-multi Database Version: DBD::SQLite 1.34_01 (sqlite 3.7.7.1) One SB Touch connected by ethernet - Denon AVR -1912 Receiver, Paradigm 4.1 speakers Two SB Radios wireless SlimChances's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=165 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=104207 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/audiophiles
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ralphpnj wrote: > So please explain how STORAGE batteries are going to save the world from > climate change being caused by burning fossil fuels? On their own they aren't going do anything, of course. But most forms of renewable energy will also require huge amounts of energy storage in order not to still require fossil fuel generators on standby to fill in the gaps. And with pretty well all forms of energy usage moving over to electricity, this standby capacity would actually need to be many fold larger than the total current fossil fuelled generating capacity, to cover those windless and sunless times. So energy storage is still a very important thing to be working on... utgg's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=40900 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=104207 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/audiophiles
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utgg wrote: > On their own they aren't going do anything, of course. But most forms of > renewable energy will also require huge amounts of energy storage Solar and wind generation plants are already cheaper to build than fossil fuel plants. The fuel is free and environmentally friendly. What is keeping them from mass implementation to replace all fossil fuel generated electricity? Lack of storage for the generated energy to cover slack (and dark) times. Just think about a "grid" with one house on it. Would you rather run a diesel generator 24/7 or have solar panels on your roof and a few Powerwalls? Kim -- Touch -> GW Labs upsampler -> TacT RCS 2.2X -> Convolver PC (Win7 + AcourateConvolver + RME HDSP-AES-32)-> Apogee Big Ben -> (TacT S2150 -> KEF LS50) + (TacT S2150 -> TacT W210) krochat's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=6579 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=104207 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/audiophiles
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ralphpnj wrote: > Truer words have never been spoken or written. > > Sounds to me like you know EXACTLY what you're talking about :) I agree that changing to electric cars is a pretty stupid thing to do if we keep generating the electricity with fossil fuels. I think the article was about a lot more than that... utgg's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=40900 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=104207 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/audiophiles
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utgg wrote: > I agree that changing to electric cars is a pretty stupid thing to do if > we keep generating the electricity with fossil fuels. I think the > article was about a lot more than that... There is no free lunch. there are environmental costs for solar panels and wind energy. You need energy to produce these and there is a problem of toxic wastehttp://news.nationalgeographic.com/news/energy/2014/11/14-solar-panel-manufacturing-sustainability-ranking/ Logitech Media Server Version: 7.9.0 - 1436858598 @ Thu Jul 16 12:58:13 UTC 2015 Operating system: Debian - EN - utf8Platform Architecture: x86_64-linux Perl Version: 5.18.2 - x86_64-linux-gnu-thread-multi Database Version: DBD::SQLite 1.34_01 (sqlite 3.7.7.1) One SB Touch connected by ethernet - Denon AVR -1912 Receiver, Paradigm 4.1 speakers Two SB Radios wireless SlimChances's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=165 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=104207 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/audiophiles
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SlimChances wrote: > There is no free lunch. there are environmental costs for solar panels > and wind energy. You need energy to produce these and there is a problem > of toxic > wastehttp://news.nationalgeographic.com/news/energy/2014/11/14-solar-panel-manufacturing-sustainability-ranking/ I also am concerned about what will happen when there are so many solar panels and wind turbines in place that they begin to have an impact on the weather patterns. What I mean is that as the wind blows through a wind turbine farm a portion of the wind energy is converted to electricity and the wind that exits the wind farm now has less power in it which could, in turn, impact the overall wind patterns. Similar to what happens to the flow of water in a river on the downstream side of dam, i.e. the water downstream of the dam has much less energy and therefore a weaker stream or flow than the water upstream of the dam. With enough solar panels in place I would imagine that the amount of residual heat being released into the air would be deceased and that this in turn would have some type of impact on the environment. So it bears repeating: there is no free lunch. Living Rm: Transporter-SimAudio pre/power amps-Vandersteen 3A Sign. & sub Home Theater: Touch-Marantz HTR-Energy Veritas 2.1 & Linn sub Computer Rm: Touch-Headroom Desktop w/DAC-Aragon amp-Energy Veritas 2.1 & Energy sub Bedroom: Touch-HR Desktop w/DAC-Audio Refinement amp-Energy Veritas 2.0 Guest Rm: Duet-Sony soundbar Garage: SB3-JVC compact system Controls: iPeng; SB Controller; Moose & Muso Server: SBS on dedicated windows 7 computer w/2 Drobos 'Last.fm' (http://www.last.fm/user/jazzfann/) ralphpnj's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=10827 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=104207 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/audiophiles
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ralphpnj wrote: > there is no free lunch. Except if you are a high-end audio reviewer... "To try to judge the real from the false will always be hard. In this fast-growing art of 'high fidelity' the quackery will bear a solid gilt edge that will fool many people" - Paul W Klipsch, 1953 Julf's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=42050 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=104207 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/audiophiles
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ralphpnj wrote: > there is no free lunch. Julf wrote: > Except if you are a high-end audio reviewer... But they pay with their soul :) Living Rm: Transporter-SimAudio pre/power amps-Vandersteen 3A Sign. & sub Home Theater: Touch-Marantz HTR-Energy Veritas 2.1 & Linn sub Computer Rm: Touch-Headroom Desktop w/DAC-Aragon amp-Energy Veritas 2.1 & Energy sub Bedroom: Touch-HR Desktop w/DAC-Audio Refinement amp-Energy Veritas 2.0 Guest Rm: Duet-Sony soundbar Garage: SB3-JVC compact system Controls: iPeng; SB Controller; Moose & Muso Server: SBS on dedicated windows 7 computer w/2 Drobos 'Last.fm' (http://www.last.fm/user/jazzfann/) ralphpnj's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=10827 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=104207 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/audiophiles
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ralphpnj wrote: > I also am concerned about what will happen when there are so many solar > panels and wind turbines in place that they begin to have an impact on > the weather patterns. What I mean is that as the wind blows through a > wind turbine farm a portion of the wind energy is converted to > electricity and the wind that exits the wind farm now has less power in > it which could, in turn, impact the overall wind patterns. Similar to > what happens to the flow of water in a river on the downstream side of > dam, i.e. the water downstream of the dam has much less energy and > therefore a weaker stream or flow than the water upstream of the dam. > > With enough solar panels in place I would imagine that the amount of > residual heat being released into the air would be deceased and that > this in turn would have some type of impact on the environment. So it > bears repeating: there is no free lunch. At humanity's current power consumption that's not a problem we use an infinitesimal fraction of the Suns energy the wind is also powered by the sun and the rain too, so normal hydro power is actually sun power .most of the energy hits the oceans anyway . The areas used by cities, freeways farms etc, humanly planted forests for timber and pulp is wast and is already an problem . Take a country such as the Netherlands or some parts of Asia where it's basically no nature left just cultured land . We are actually even using all the available living space in some areas there is no room for nature . A good place for solar panels would actually be all the rooftops think malls and industrial buildings etc besides residential buildings . Main hifi: Touch + CIA PS +MeridianG68J MeridianHD621 MeridianG98DH 2 x MeridianDSP5200 MeridianDSP5200HC 2 xMeridianDSP3100 +Rel Stadium 3 sub. Bedroom/Office: Boom Kitchen: Touch + powered Fostex PM0.4 Misc use: Radio (with battery) iPad1 with iPengHD & SqueezePad (spares Touch, SB3, reciever ,controller ) server HP proliant micro server N36L with ClearOS Linux http://people.xiph.org/~xiphmont/demo/neil-young.html Mnyb's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=4143 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=104207 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/audiophiles
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But it's a solved problem in many countries fossil fuels are simply to cheap in the U.S. . Sweden for example have almost no fossil fuel power plants they are basically for emergencies . So 98% of the production is with a low carbon footprint already. It's basically the transport sector that uses fossil fuel . Trucks and cars and ships . But to also provide power for more electrical cars . We need more electrical power that will be an interesting challenge . But there are many things that's done very inefficiently so saving power is a good way . A modern fridge for example uses little power compared to older designs etc . And no more class A amps for you ;) Provided it's not to cheap,to keep on wasting energy . Main hifi: Touch + CIA PS +MeridianG68J MeridianHD621 MeridianG98DH 2 x MeridianDSP5200 MeridianDSP5200HC 2 xMeridianDSP3100 +Rel Stadium 3 sub. Bedroom/Office: Boom Kitchen: Touch + powered Fostex PM0.4 Misc use: Radio (with battery) iPad1 with iPengHD & SqueezePad (spares Touch, SB3, reciever ,controller ) server HP proliant micro server N36L with ClearOS Linux http://people.xiph.org/~xiphmont/demo/neil-young.html Mnyb's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=4143 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=104207 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/audiophiles
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utgg wrote: > On their own they aren't going do anything, of course. But most forms of > renewable energy will also require huge amounts of energy storage in > order not to still require fossil fuel generators on standby to fill in > the gaps. And with pretty well all forms of energy usage moving over to > electricity, this standby capacity would actually need to be many fold > larger than the total current fossil fuelled generating capacity, to > cover those windless and sunless times. So energy storage is still a > very important thing to be working on... Yes my company is working on that and also have interest in wind power . That would be a good combination . One plan is to use used battery packs from electrical cars and run them down further as energy storage before recycling , as the car owner might not like it when the battery is of 60% of its original storage capacity . But in an energy storage facility space and weight are not as big an issue as in a vehicle . But even a fossil power plant is actually more efficient than a piston engine . Most of it leaves the exhaust as heat . A large turbine is somewhat more efficient . I haven't studied thermodynamics in a while so I have not the exact figures , but the piston engine is a looser :) especially petrol , diesel is better . In colder climates you can use the waste heat from the power plant for district heating . Then you actually use 90% of the energy . But the waste heat from nuclear facilities is not used for heating , chickens I say ;) Main hifi: Touch + CIA PS +MeridianG68J MeridianHD621 MeridianG98DH 2 x MeridianDSP5200 MeridianDSP5200HC 2 xMeridianDSP3100 +Rel Stadium 3 sub. Bedroom/Office: Boom Kitchen: Touch + powered Fostex PM0.4 Misc use: Radio (with battery) iPad1 with iPengHD & SqueezePad (spares Touch, SB3, reciever ,controller ) server HP proliant micro server N36L with ClearOS Linux http://people.xiph.org/~xiphmont/demo/neil-young.html Mnyb's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=4143 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=104207 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/audiophiles
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ralphpnj wrote: > I also am concerned about what will happen when there are so many solar > panels and wind turbines in place that they begin to have an impact on > the weather patterns. What I mean is that as the wind blows through a > wind turbine farm a portion of the wind energy is converted to > electricity and the wind that exits the wind farm now has less power in > it which could, in turn, impact the overall wind patterns. Similar to > what happens to the flow of water in a river on the downstream side of > dam, i.e. the water downstream of the dam has much less energy and > therefore a weaker stream or flow than the water upstream of the dam. > > With enough solar panels in place I would imagine that the amount of > residual heat being released into the air would be deceased and that > this in turn would have some type of impact on the environment. So it > bears repeating: there is no free lunch. I wouldn't think that wind turbines would have a significant impact on weather patterns as a function of slowing down the wind. It would take truly vast arrays of turbines to do this. I tried some cursory searches and couldn't find anything on the topic, although there is lots of discussion on other impacts, e.g. land use, effects on birds and bats, health impacts on people, etc. The albedo of solar panels is a different matter. The Superfreakenomics people have suggested that the low albedo of solar panels results in more heat energy being trapped with a potential global warming impact. The analysis of this claim that I've seen suggests it's not true, see for example http://www.quora.com/Do-solar-panels-make-global-warming-worse-by-storing-heat. LMS on a dedicated music server (FitPC3) Transporter (Ethernet) - main music listening, Onkyo receiver, Paradigm speakers Duet (WiFi) - home theater 5.1, Sony receiver, Energy speakers Boom 1 (WiFi) - work-space Boom 2 (WiFi) - various (deck, garage, etc.) Radio (WiFi) - home office Touch x 2 - awaiting deployment UE Radio - awaiting deployment Control - 2 Controllers (main listening, home theater, all others), Squeeze Remote (on Surface Pro 2), SqueezeControl (on Android mobile) RonM's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=17029 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=104207 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/audiophiles
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Julf wrote: > I am sure this would have applications in audio too. > > 'Free Energy & Over-unity Charging Circuit' > (https://youtu.be/VOAaFyv_shY) > > Please watch to the end, or skip to 6:20 after watching at least the > beginning... I really loved the various terms that he made up, that man has a bright future in sales and marketing: "Quantum Welling Gravity Effect" "Flux Inductor" "Multi-axis Dimensional Crystal" +---+ |Filename: powered_by_dilithium_crystals_ipad2_case.jpg | |Download: http://forums.slimdevices.com/attachment.php?attachmentid=18713| +---+ Living Rm: Transporter-SimAudio pre/power amps-Vandersteen 3A Sign. & sub Home Theater: Touch-Marantz HTR-Energy Veritas 2.1 & Linn sub Computer Rm: Touch-Headroom Desktop w/DAC-Aragon amp-Energy Veritas 2.1 & Energy sub Bedroom: Touch-HR Desktop w/DAC-Audio Refinement amp-Energy Veritas 2.0 Guest Rm: Duet-Sony soundbar Garage: SB3-JVC compact system Controls: iPeng; SB Controller; Moose & Muso Server: SBS on dedicated windows 7 computer w/2 Drobos 'Last.fm' (http://www.last.fm/user/jazzfann/) ralphpnj's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=10827 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=104207 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/audiophiles
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On a related note concerning the lack of understanding of basic scientific principles check out this article on batteries published in yesterday's Christian Science Monitor: http://www.csmonitor.com/Environment/Energy/2015/0830/How-a-new-battery-revolution-will-change-your-life Basically the article fails to fully understand that the batteries being discussed are storage batteries and the power being stored by the batteries has to come from another power source. So while the article does mention that these batteries can used to make solar and wind power available during times of no sun or wind, it fails to understand that the vast majority of electricity that goes into the vast storage batteries initially comes from a power plant burning fossil fuels, particularly those being used in electric automobiles. Add to this the fact the article manages to discuss the future batteries and energy without even the slightest mention of climate change, climate change that is being driven by the burning of fossil fuels. Living Rm: Transporter-SimAudio pre/power amps-Vandersteen 3A Sign. & sub Home Theater: Touch-Marantz HTR-Energy Veritas 2.1 & Linn sub Computer Rm: Touch-Headroom Desktop w/DAC-Aragon amp-Energy Veritas 2.1 & Energy sub Bedroom: Touch-HR Desktop w/DAC-Audio Refinement amp-Energy Veritas 2.0 Guest Rm: Duet-Sony soundbar Garage: SB3-JVC compact system Controls: iPeng; SB Controller; Moose & Muso Server: SBS on dedicated windows 7 computer w/2 Drobos 'Last.fm' (http://www.last.fm/user/jazzfann/) ralphpnj's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=10827 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=104207 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/audiophiles
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Julf wrote: Hanlon's razor - Never attribute to malice that which is adequately explained by stupidity. Hiding a coil of wire attached to a power source under the table and never revealing it seems to be a clear cut example of malice. Some one is going to convince me that they were too ignorant to know... ??? Come on, did evil spirits make you construct the coil and hide it when you were unconscious? GMAB! Many equally unbelievable circumstances can be found on CA. arnyk's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=64365 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=104207 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/audiophiles
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arnyk wrote: Hiding a coil of wire attached to a power source under the table and never revealing it seems to be a clear cut example of malice. Some one is going to convince me that they were too ignorant to know... ??? Come on, did evil spirits make you construct the coil and hide it when you were unconscious? GMAB! Many equally unbelievable circumstances can be found on CA. No that was clerly faked :) intentionally . But with some scams something funny happens , the initial scammer may have malicius intent . but then the hordes of acolytes are spreading the gospel without any hint of critical thinking . And it can take on a life of it's own . In audiophool circles bad ideas never dies they just get added to the lore as they appear it does not matter if they incosinstent with each other . So it just live on and on and on . Like the crop circels on some fields in England , that was a hoax the original culprits from the 70's even came forward and admitted their prank :) they probably got fellow pranksters to follow in thier footstep... But there still are hordes of UFO evangelists that insist that these are aliens that made them and only some are pranks :D Or a very bad SF writer from the pulp fiction era with a sligth sociapathic streak that invented his own religion L .Ron Hubbard . yes not many are awre that the founder of scientology started as an SF writer , but it makes sense . But here the top brass still are malicius the motive is ofcourse money . Main hifi: Touch + CIA PS +MeridianG68J MeridianHD621 MeridianG98DH 2 x MeridianDSP5200 MeridianDSP5200HC 2 xMeridianDSP3100 +Rel Stadium 3 sub. Bedroom/Office: Boom Kitchen: Touch + powered Fostex PM0.4 Misc use: Radio (with battery) iPad1 with iPengHD SqueezePad (spares Touch, SB3, reciever ,controller ) server HP proliant micro server N36L with ClearOS Linux http://people.xiph.org/~xiphmont/demo/neil-young.html Mnyb's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=4143 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=104207 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/audiophiles
Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] generating free energy by using chrystal
Julf wrote: I am sure this would have applications in audio too. 'Free Energy Over-unity Charging Circuit' (https://youtu.be/VOAaFyv_shY) Please watch to the end, or skip to 6:20 after watching at least the beginning... But you are aware that similar products for audio do exist . Small crystals in bags you tape onto the cables for example . The nice pet rocks that shakti sells . Mystical ornaments or things you just place in the room that enhances things . When I loose all faith in my felow humans and gets 100% cynical . One product line I will market is probably crystal cable lifters ofcourse hand grinded to thier shape ( in realiyt just casted low quality glass with impurities ,so they look natural ) . For the hand forged cables made of Inca silver , sales blurb will indicate that they are handmade in the moonligth by singing virgins (but i fact made in china). Main hifi: Touch + CIA PS +MeridianG68J MeridianHD621 MeridianG98DH 2 x MeridianDSP5200 MeridianDSP5200HC 2 xMeridianDSP3100 +Rel Stadium 3 sub. Bedroom/Office: Boom Kitchen: Touch + powered Fostex PM0.4 Misc use: Radio (with battery) iPad1 with iPengHD SqueezePad (spares Touch, SB3, reciever ,controller ) server HP proliant micro server N36L with ClearOS Linux http://people.xiph.org/~xiphmont/demo/neil-young.html Mnyb's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=4143 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=104207 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/audiophiles
Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] generating free energy by using chrystal
Julf wrote: No, on CA they would insist that we can not be sure that all of the effect was provided by the power source under the table, so despite this one being based on malicious intent, the actual effect was probably still there. I am just waiting for the usual suspects here to point out that a) it costs nothing to try for yourself, b) a second coil proves nothing, and c) our power measurement method is deeply flawed and thus meaningless. It is simply the wrong crystal. People from Down Under have the authentic ones. Transporter (modded) - RG142 - Avantgarde Acoustic based 500VA monoblocks - Sommer SPK240 - self-made speakers Wombat's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=4113 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=104207 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/audiophiles
Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] generating free energy by using chrystal
arnyk wrote: Hiding a coil of wire attached to a power source under the table and never revealing it seems to be a clear cut example of malice. Some one is going to convince me that they were too ignorant to know... ??? Come on, did evil spirits make you construct the coil and hide it when you were unconscious? GMAB! Many equally unbelievable circumstances can be found on CA. No, on CA they would insist that we can not be sure that all of the effect was provided by the power source under the table, so despite this one being based on malicious intent, the actual effect was probably still there... To try to judge the real from the false will always be hard. In this fast-growing art of 'high fidelity' the quackery will bear a solid gilt edge that will fool many people - Paul W Klipsch, 1953 Julf's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=42050 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=104207 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/audiophiles
Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] generating free energy by using chrystal
Mnyb wrote: But you are aware that similar products for audio do exist . Small crystals in bags you tape onto the cables for example . The nice pet rocks that shakti sells . Mystical ornaments or things you just place in the room that enhances things . When I loose all faith in my felow humans and gets 100% cynical . One product line I will market is probably crystal cable lifters ofcourse hand grinded to thier shape ( in realiyt just casted low quality glass with impurities ,so they look natural ) . For the hand forged cables made of Inca silver , sales blurb will indicate that they are handmade in the moonligth by singing virgins (but i fact made in china). ;) Logitech Media Server Version: 7.9.0 - 1436858598 @ Thu Jul 16 12:58:13 UTC 2015 Operating system: Debian - EN - utf8Platform Architecture: x86_64-linux Perl Version: 5.18.2 - x86_64-linux-gnu-thread-multi Database Version: DBD::SQLite 1.34_01 (sqlite 3.7.7.1) One SB Touch connected by ethernet - Denon AVR -1912 Receiver, Paradigm 4.1 speakers Two SB Radios wireless SlimChances's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=165 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=104207 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/audiophiles
Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] generating free energy by using chrystal
Mnyb wrote: When I loose all faith in my felow humans and gets 100% cynical . One product line I will market is probably crystal cable lifters ofcourse hand grinded to thier shape ( in realiyt just casted low quality glass with impurities ,so they look natural ) . For the hand forged cables made of Inca silver , sales blurb will indicate that they are handmade in the moonligth by singing virgins (but i fact made in china). These sound terrific - can I be your distributor? artee's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=32816 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=104207 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/audiophiles
Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] generating free energy by using chrystal
artee wrote: These sound terrific - can I be your distributor? But you can only have 800% markup;) Main hifi: Touch + CIA PS +MeridianG68J MeridianHD621 MeridianG98DH 2 x MeridianDSP5200 MeridianDSP5200HC 2 xMeridianDSP3100 +Rel Stadium 3 sub. Bedroom/Office: Boom Kitchen: Touch + powered Fostex PM0.4 Misc use: Radio (with battery) iPad1 with iPengHD SqueezePad (spares Touch, SB3, reciever ,controller ) server HP proliant micro server N36L with ClearOS Linux http://people.xiph.org/~xiphmont/demo/neil-young.html Mnyb's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=4143 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=104207 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/audiophiles
Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] generating free energy by using chrystal
Julf wrote: I am sure this would have applications in audio too. 'Free Energy Over-unity Charging Circuit' (https://youtu.be/VOAaFyv_shY) Please watch to the end, or skip to 6:20 after watching at least the beginning... Kudos to the presenter for creating a potentially believable demonstration followed by an effective debunking and demystification of it. For the record the ones who raised the operational principle (a transformer) to practicality is usually given in the history of Science as Ottó Bláthy, Miksa Déri, Károly Zipernowsky of the Austro-Hungarian Empire circa 1880. It was further perfected by Lucien Gaulard, Sebstian Ferranti, and William Stanley over the next decade or so. To me, the surprising absence from the history of the invention of the transformer is the name of Nicola Tesla, but further study seems to show that his contributions were specific applications and derivative designs. arnyk's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=64365 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=104207 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/audiophiles
Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] generating free energy by using chrystal
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A really nice one +1 I always like the tin foil hats arguments about that they don't want us to know :) was it not some one who said that we should not invoke intent or agents where normal stupidity is the likely answer . 'Just because you're not paranoid doesn't mean they aren't after you' (intro twilight zone music) Main hifi: Touch + CIA PS +MeridianG68J MeridianHD621 MeridianG98DH 2 x MeridianDSP5200 MeridianDSP5200HC 2 xMeridianDSP3100 +Rel Stadium 3 sub. Bedroom/Office: Boom Kitchen: Touch + powered Fostex PM0.4 Misc use: Radio (with battery) iPad1 with iPengHD SqueezePad (spares Touch, SB3, reciever ,controller ) server HP proliant micro server N36L with ClearOS Linux http://people.xiph.org/~xiphmont/demo/neil-young.html Mnyb's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=4143 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=104207 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/audiophiles
Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] generating free energy by using chrystal
Mnyb wrote: was it not some one who said that we should not invoke intent or agents where normal stupidity is the likely answer. Hanlon's razor - Never attribute to malice that which is adequately explained by stupidity. To try to judge the real from the false will always be hard. In this fast-growing art of 'high fidelity' the quackery will bear a solid gilt edge that will fool many people - Paul W Klipsch, 1953 Julf's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=42050 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=104207 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/audiophiles
