[Aus-soaring] How about this useful book!
"A Million Random Digits with 100,000 Normal Deviates" by The RAND Corporation. This is a book well worth reading, see the reviews. http://www.amazon.com/Million-Random-Digits-Normal-Deviates/product-reviews/0833030477/ ___ Aus-soaring mailing list Aus-soaring@lists.internode.on.net To check or change subscription details, visit: http://lists.internode.on.net/mailman/listinfo/aus-soaring
Re: [Aus-soaring] Greatest Glider pilot of all time
It is good to see that the on field clothing fashions haven’t changed… From: aus-soaring-boun...@lists.internode.on.net [mailto:aus-soaring-boun...@lists.internode.on.net] On Behalf Of james dutschke Sent: Thursday, 17 September 2015 10:41 AM To: Aus-soaring@lists.internode.on.net Subject: [Aus-soaring] Greatest Glider pilot of all time http://youtu.be/MHTaABqNejw Video of he world comps in Finland. Well worth a watch. It got me thinking, who is the greatest of all time - Ingo, Lee, Reichmann, Kawa, Sommers? ___ Aus-soaring mailing list Aus-soaring@lists.internode.on.net To check or change subscription details, visit: http://lists.internode.on.net/mailman/listinfo/aus-soaring
Re: [Aus-soaring] Airsickness
Hi Nick et al, There could be many causes of what you describe. To list a few… Dehydration. Blood glucose alterations (rebound hypo-glycaemia). Post-prandial depression (i.e. feeling drowsy after eating). Hypoxia (yes it can occur at lower levels especially if you are a smoker). Plus many others… Do similar things happen on the ground if you are a passenger in a car or the driver of a car? Does is depend on the weather Get yourself checked out, and also if you are considering taking medications to treat the condition, try them out on the ground first to make sure that there are no side effects that are incompatible with safe flying. All I am advocating is that if you are concerned about a health issue, get yourself checked out for several reasons, it is better to sort out health problems earlier, men don’t like visiting doctors and tend to put such matters off. Michael Texler From: aus-soaring-boun...@lists.internode.on.net [mailto:aus-soaring-boun...@lists.internode.on.net] On Behalf Of Nick Gilbert Sent: Wednesday, 26 August 2015 7:42 AM To: Discussion of issues relating to Soaring in Australia. Subject: [Aus-soaring] Airsickness Hi All, Despite my family connection to flying I have been a long time sufferer of airsickness. I usually enjoy the heck out of my first hour or two in the air, but after that start suffering from symptoms that gradually decrease the enjoyment level until it's really not fun at all any more. My symptoms are entirely related to drowsiness (only once have I been physically ill, and I suspect that was caused by something different altogether). Some reading I've done in the internet tells me that motion induced drowsiness is something distinct from motion induced nausea. Before I speak to a doctor, does anyone have any experience or knowledge in dealing with this problem? Cheers, Nick. ___ Aus-soaring mailing list Aus-soaring@lists.internode.on.net To check or change subscription details, visit: http://lists.internode.on.net/mailman/listinfo/aus-soaring
Re: [Aus-soaring] Suitable caption :-)
My tractor can do auto-tow ___ Aus-soaring mailing list Aus-soaring@lists.internode.on.net To check or change subscription details, visit: http://lists.internode.on.net/mailman/listinfo/aus-soaring
Re: [Aus-soaring] RECORD CLAIM NOTIFICATION
Are you sure it wasn't a BLANIK Initial Record Notification? ;-) From: aus-soaring-boun...@lists.internode.on.net [mailto:aus-soaring-boun...@lists.internode.on.net] On Behalf Of pam Sent: Monday, 23 February 2015 11:16 AM To: Discussion of issues relating to Soaring in Australia. Subject: [Aus-soaring] RECORD CLAIM NOTIFICATION Twice in the last week I have received a BLANK Initial Record Notification from the GFA website. If someone is trying to submit a claim notification for a recent record flight, please email me directly. Pam Kurstjens Records Officer Gliding Federation of Australia ___ Aus-soaring mailing list Aus-soaring@lists.internode.on.net To check or change subscription details, visit: http://lists.internode.on.net/mailman/listinfo/aus-soaring
Re: [Aus-soaring] Bizarre Comp Rules...
Thanks Ross for that, it puts a different slant on things. OK, you finish the task and are a valid finisher you get the points for the day. (Analagous to a racing car crashing after they have crossed the line). If I understand what you have said; You then crash on the return to the airfield but that's OK because that's your own business now because your flying is not directly related to being on task. Still not a good look though and it is not really conduct becoming, to hit a powerline. The consequence and penalty to the pilot is the loss of the a/c, as well as the trauma of almost killing yourself. Michael From: aus-soaring-boun...@lists.internode.on.net [mailto:aus-soaring-boun...@lists.internode.on.net] On Behalf Of Ross McLean Sent: Tuesday, 28 October 2014 14:31 To: 'Discussion of issues relating to Soaring in Australia.' Subject: Re: [Aus-soaring] Bizarre Comp Rules... Hi Michael The Competition Rules state that if a glider crosses the finish line then it is regarded as a valid finish. Jim's glider crossed the finish line, ergo a valid finish. The rules also call for the Competition Safety Committee, a peer pilot group formed from the attending experienced competition pilots, to be convened by the Comp Director and Safety Officer to discuss and assess all safety issues associated with such events as Jim's crash. If that committee then feels it is required, they can refer a recommendation to the Penalties Committee who will assess an appropriate points penalty. In Jim's case, the Safety Committee met, analysed the trace, discussed the incident and safety issues and spoke with the pilot. The meeting was Chaired by the Safety Officer (who is appointed by the RTO/OPs) and attended by the CD. The safety committee, having considered all the facts and detail at hand, did not in its judgement feel a further penalty was appropriate. Hope that helps to make it a little clearer for you. ROSS -Original Message- From: aus-soaring-boun...@lists.internode.on.net [mailto:aus-soaring-boun...@lists.internode.on.net] On Behalf Of Texler, Michael Sent: Tuesday, 28 October 2014 12:36 PM To: 'Discussion of issues relating to Soaring in Australia.' Subject: [Aus-soaring] Bizarre Comp Rules... I found the following sentence quite bizarre. Jim crashed within the 3 km finish circle, and therefore got both speed and distance points for the day. In accordance with the rules, Jim did not incur a points penalty for crashing. Surely competition rules should be in place to discourage crashing: i.e. you crash, you are out of the comp. You pack up and go home. Can any comp directors enlighten me? In the few comps that I have flown in, it appears that risk taking behaviour goes up. I'll leave it to others more experienced in these matters to give reasons why. Michael ___ Aus-soaring mailing list Aus-soaring@lists.internode.on.netmailto:Aus-soaring@lists.internode.on.net To check or change subscription details, visit: http://lists.internode.on.net/mailman/listinfo/aus-soaring ___ Aus-soaring mailing list Aus-soaring@lists.internode.on.net To check or change subscription details, visit: http://lists.internode.on.net/mailman/listinfo/aus-soaring
[Aus-soaring] Bizarre Comp Rules...
I found the following sentence quite bizarre. Jim crashed within the 3 km finish circle, and therefore got both speed and distance points for the day. In accordance with the rules, Jim did not incur a points penalty for crashing. Surely competition rules should be in place to discourage crashing: i.e. you crash, you are out of the comp. You pack up and go home. Can any comp directors enlighten me? In the few comps that I have flown in, it appears that risk taking behaviour goes up. I'll leave it to others more experienced in these matters to give reasons why. Michael ___ Aus-soaring mailing list Aus-soaring@lists.internode.on.net To check or change subscription details, visit: http://lists.internode.on.net/mailman/listinfo/aus-soaring
Re: [Aus-soaring] Bizarre Comp Rules...
The caveat should be in place that the crash was a result of your own poor decision making. Now what constitutes poor decision making is a matter of opinion. Surely competition rules should be in place to discourage crashing: i.e. you crash, you are out of the comp. You pack up and go home. I'll leave it to others more experienced in these matters to give reasons why. ___ Aus-soaring mailing list Aus-soaring@lists.internode.on.net To check or change subscription details, visit: http://lists.internode.on.net/mailman/listinfo/aus-soaring
[Aus-soaring] Good Press re Morning glory festival
http://www.abc.net.au/news/2014-09-25/morning-glory-festival-rolls-into-burketown/5767746 ___ Aus-soaring mailing list Aus-soaring@lists.internode.on.net To check or change subscription details, visit: http://lists.internode.on.net/mailman/listinfo/aus-soaring
Re: [Aus-soaring] Would you fly on a pilotless plane?
There has been recent press/hype about hack-ability of new cars that use Bluetooth and Wi-Fi. Media beat-up, panic or some merit? (http://au.pcmag.com/opinion/23312/security-experts-identify-20-most-hackable-cars) Would a pilotless aircraft be any less susceptible to been hacked? On the flip side, there are very many UAVs flying around as we speak. But how real is the threat of hacking to them? (http://www.bbc.com/future/story/20140206-can-drones-be-hacked) At the end of the day it comes done to risk assessment, no system is perfect. I don't think gliding on planet Earth will be pilotless quite yet, but aren't they working on a Martian solution (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mars_Scout_Program)? ___ Aus-soaring mailing list Aus-soaring@lists.internode.on.net To check or change subscription details, visit: http://lists.internode.on.net/mailman/listinfo/aus-soaring
Re: [Aus-soaring] Nice video
Nice footage from around Innsbruck. Stunning place to go gliding. I have done a cross country out of Southern Bavaria (Königsdorf) into Tirol and back (in a G103 no less). For us flat-landers it is quite a lot of fun when you are ridge soaring at 9,000' AMSL! ___ Aus-soaring mailing list Aus-soaring@lists.internode.on.net To check or change subscription details, visit: http://lists.internode.on.net/mailman/listinfo/aus-soaring
Re: [Aus-soaring] battery power
The vast array of PV solar panels on the hangar roof? These require burning non renewables for manufacture (mining the metals, processing, transport, installation etc.). Making PV stuff is CO2 intensive, see http://www.lowtechmagazine.com/2008/03/the-ugly-side-o.html ___ Aus-soaring mailing list Aus-soaring@lists.internode.on.net To check or change subscription details, visit: http://lists.internode.on.net/mailman/listinfo/aus-soaring
[Aus-soaring] BORING at BSS
Very boring day at Beverley Soaring Society on Saturday 9th Nov, 2013. At least 8 club and private gliders went out and completed 300 km tasks. Lift was still working to 9,000' AMSL at 1650 hours WST (no daylight saving here in WA). Great (boring) day had by all. Thanks to all who helped out to make the day possible. ___ Aus-soaring mailing list Aus-soaring@lists.internode.on.net To check or change subscription details, visit: http://lists.internode.on.net/mailman/listinfo/aus-soaring
Re: [Aus-soaring] Medicals
Methinks there is some false logic in that argument. A counter argument is that the aviation medical system has kept people out of the skies that shouldn't be flying due to medical reasons . (that is, the medicals are filtering out those who are unfit to fly and hence that the cause of incidents due to medical causes is low, 5 out of 800 = 0.625%). Saying that 1% is different to 0.5% is meaningless without confidence intervals, and suffers from the problem of rare events being compared. If there were no medicals, the numbers of accidents do the medical causes would be higher. Regards Michael -Original Message- From: aus-soaring-boun...@lists.internode.on.net on behalf of Mike Borgelt Sent: Fri 10/11/2013 4:10 PM To: Discussion of issues relating to Soaring in Australia. Subject: Re: [Aus-soaring] Medicals No, the lack of value of aviation medicals has been demonstrated by long pragmatic and statistical experience. I don't have the URL to hand but one study in the US was that medical conditions for powered aircraft pilots were around 1% of accident causes. Fortunately they had a large body of experience with glider and balloon pilots who self certify and the medical rate of accident causes was 0.5% or so amongst them. The BGA did a study many years ago of 800 glider accidents in the UK. IIRC about 5 may have had a medical component which would seem to be in accordance with the US experience. Of those, again IIRC, one was a medical condition that wouldn't be picked up in a PPL medical, two had PPLs and one was a serving military officer who had more frequent medicals of a higher stringency than a PPL medical. Even CASA recognised this in writing in a discussion paper in 2002 about the proposed Recreational Pilot's Licence. They proposed the same medical standard as a State driver's Licence (very little, looking at what drives). They specifically said some in the aviation industry might be uncomfortable with this but that the stats were clear that formal medicals did nothing for safety. This was a welcome attitude in the regulator - actual evidence based rule making. Of course the cretins in the GFA sent a couple of people (Meertens and Hall) along to the Minister to kill this proposal for gliding, along with the collusion of Paul Middleton of the RAAus. One of the more notable acts of bastardry in Australian aviation which has a long history of such. Mike At 05:41 PM 11/10/2013, you wrote: Content-class: urn:content-classes:message Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=_=_NextPart_001_01CEC655.49080C07 Hi All, To self declare is hardly onerous. If you have any of the conditions that make you ineligible to self declare, then get an Australian Medical Certificate. I now await the bun-fight regarding the value of aviation medicals and whether they have really made the skies safer, using the argument that medicals are costly and someone knows somebody that had a medically incapacitating event just after they had passed their medical etc.. Would the same argument work regarding glider maintenance, saying that form 2 are not worthwhile because there have been instances where gliders have come to grief after passing their form 2 etc. Doctor's hat on Michael == Dr. Michael Texler M.B. B.S. M.D.(Adel) F.R.C.P.A. Consultant Anatomical Pathologist c/- Department of Histopathology, PathWest, B Block, Level 5, Fremantle Hospital, Alma Sreet, Fremantle 6160, WA, Australia Ph: +61 (0)8 9431 2681 Email: michael.tex...@health.wa.gov.au -- From: aus-soaring-boun...@lists.internode.on.net [mailto:aus-soaring-boun...@lists.internode.on.net] On Behalf Of Matt Gage Sent: Friday, 11 October 2013 14:52 To: Discussion of issues relating to Soaring in Australia. Subject: Re: [Aus-soaring] Medicals However, the crazy situation is that if a US pilot holds a class 2 medical, they can fly here using that unless they gain Australian citizenship, at which time they have to suddenly self certify or get an Australian class 2 Or an Australian who has lived overseas for many years is unable to use their class 2 on a brief holiday here Looks like we have badly thought through regs, or possibly the interpretations on the web site are too simplistic. I hope it's the latter Matt On 11 Oct 2013, at 17:25, Christopher Thorpe mailto:ctho...@bigpond.comctho...@bigpond.com wrote: An Australian flying on an Australian pilot certificate who is ineligible to self-declare their medical status must hold an Australian Medical Certificate. This is the case even if an Australian also holds citizenship of another country. If the person holds dual citizenship of countries other than Australia and they are ineligible to self-declare, then they will need to provide a Medical certificate issued by the State that issued their Pilot's Licence. Christopher Thorpe From:
Re: [Aus-soaring] Medicals
OK I'm not sure you actually read my post. Either that or your reading comprehension is extremely poor. Mike Borgelt stated. One study in the US was that medical conditions for powered aircraft pilots were around 1% of accident causes. Fortunately they had a large body of experience with glider and balloon pilots who self certify and the medical rate of accident causes was 0.5% or so amongst them. Your point being that self reporting medical accident rate is 0.5% versus 1% for powered a/c pilots? Same for the US glider and balloon pilots and both are based on a large number of events so the stats, even if somewhat uncertain are likely pretty good. Before you attack me personally please provide some links to creditable data with regards to the stats and confidence intervals. 'Likely pretty good' would not get accepted in a published report! winmail.dat___ Aus-soaring mailing list Aus-soaring@lists.internode.on.net To check or change subscription details, visit: http://lists.internode.on.net/mailman/listinfo/aus-soaring
Re: [Aus-soaring] Medicals
Thanks Mike and Carol, That's Gold, OK, bring it on. Implement it and see what happens! Unless I have completely mis read it again, an initially medical issuance would still be required (i.e. Driver's licence initial issue requires a medical and this is used in lieu)? Then attendance and sign of for medical self awareness courses and using self report for restricted operations (i.e. single engine, one pax max etc..)? Michael From: aus-soaring-boun...@lists.internode.on.net [mailto:aus-soaring-boun...@lists.internode.on.net] On Behalf Of Mike Borgelt Sent: Monday, 14 October 2013 10:27 To: Discussion of issues relating to Soaring in Australia. Subject: Re: [Aus-soaring] Medicals Carol did a little search and turned this up: http://www.eaa.org/news/2012/petition_for_exemption.pdf 41 pages, page 11 has this heading if you don't want to read it all. Equivalent level of safety is demonstrated in history This petition for exemption is backed by sound statistical data Continue from there. Various statistical studies are referenced. Mike Borgelt Instruments - design manufacture of quality soaring instrumentation since 1978 www.borgeltinstruments.com http://www.borgeltinstruments.com/ tel: 07 4635 5784 overseas: int+61-7-4635 5784 mob: 042835 5784 : int+61-42835 5784 P O Box 4607, Toowoomba East, QLD 4350, Australia ___ Aus-soaring mailing list Aus-soaring@lists.internode.on.net To check or change subscription details, visit: http://lists.internode.on.net/mailman/listinfo/aus-soaring
Re: [Aus-soaring] Names Glider versus Sailplane
Sullenberger's Sinker. It floated for a little bit... OK, I give up. What is TPFIC? TPFIC Tongue Planted Firmly In Cheek. ___ Aus-soaring mailing list Aus-soaring@lists.internode.on.net To check or change subscription details, visit: http://lists.internode.on.net/mailman/listinfo/aus-soaring
Re: [Aus-soaring] OLC Map wanted of heaviestsailplane over longestdistance
Not exactly a sailplane either. The space shuttle is a glider though. (But anything with the thrust turned off is technically gliding, i.e. Gimli Glider wasn't called the Gimli Sailplane though. Perhaps the alliteration of the g sound rolls nicer off the tongue. But then why wasn't it called Sullenberger's Sailplane when he landed in the Hudson...) Ponders question, What is the difference between a sailplane and a glider? Could it be that a sailplane is defined by the intention for it being used for gliding flight from the beginning of the flight (I will take my sailplane out for a gliding flight), whereas any powered after can accidently or intentionally become a glider when the thrust is turned off (Oh poop, my engine(s) failed, I have become a glider). TPFIC ;-) ___ Aus-soaring mailing list Aus-soaring@lists.internode.on.net To check or change subscription details, visit: http://lists.internode.on.net/mailman/listinfo/aus-soaring
Re: [Aus-soaring] OLC Map wanted of heaviest sailplane over longestdistance
Hi All, Here is a map of a long final glide from ~35,000' in the world's heaviest sailplane over quite a long distance in Florida. It does a straight in approach after a height losing orbit to the right! I hope this helps ;-) attachment: 445729main_KSC237_close.gif___ Aus-soaring mailing list Aus-soaring@lists.internode.on.net To check or change subscription details, visit: http://lists.internode.on.net/mailman/listinfo/aus-soaring
[Aus-soaring] Nice work, engine failure in Jabiru, well handled off field landing
Gliding related because a Jabiru became a glider in QLD. Calm instructor See: http://www.abc.net.au/news/2013-09-03/pilot-makes-emergency-landing-in-l ight-aircraft/4931182 ___ Aus-soaring mailing list Aus-soaring@lists.internode.on.net To check or change subscription details, visit: http://lists.internode.on.net/mailman/listinfo/aus-soaring
[Aus-soaring] Correct usage of out of office assistant
Slight techie question. If I use the out of office assistant on Outlook, how can I prevent it from clogging up aus-soaring each time a message comes in, or even worse, it starts auto-replying to my out of office message? Is there on online guide to the correct etiquette/method regarding this matter Sorry to be slightly OT Offlist replies OK unless others are interested too. ___ Aus-soaring mailing list Aus-soaring@lists.internode.on.net To check or change subscription details, visit: http://lists.internode.on.net/mailman/listinfo/aus-soaring
[Aus-soaring] Tom Claffey's repeat posts are getting ridiculous...
Can Tom Claffey work out why the list is getting repeat postings please? From: aus-soaring-boun...@lists.internode.on.net [mailto:aus-soaring-boun...@lists.internode.on.net] On Behalf Of tom claffey Sent: Thursday, 18 April 2013 04:29 To: aus-soaring Subject: Re: [Aus-soaring] Hangarage near Sydney Good Luck! I would suggest Wedderburn. Bankstown and Camden are ridiculous. Tom From: Mark Newton new...@atdot.dotat.org; To: aus-soaring@lists.internode.on.net; Subject: [Aus-soaring] Hangarage near Sydney Sent: Tue, Apr 16, 2013 1:37:55 AM Not strictly gliding related, but certainly aviation related: I'm about to move to Sydney. I'll be bringing an RV-6 with me, and I'll have to find a hangar spot for it. It's a 20'6 span taildragger -- doesn't take up much space, can share a shed with another aircraft. Currently nestles under the wings of a Cessna and a Decathlon at Parafield. I don't much mind where it's kept, as long as it's a non-corrosive environment and it isn't too hard to get fuel. If anyone has any contacts, I'm all ears, my email address is up the top. Thanks, - mark ___ Aus-soaring mailing list Aus-soaring@lists.internode.on.net javascript:return To check or change subscription details, visit: http://lists.internode.on.net/mailman/listinfo/aus-soaring ___ Aus-soaring mailing list Aus-soaring@lists.internode.on.net To check or change subscription details, visit: http://lists.internode.on.net/mailman/listinfo/aus-soaring
Re: [Aus-soaring] Intermediate/short term goals
Use the force?. ___ Aus-soaring mailing list Aus-soaring@lists.internode.on.net To check or change subscription details, visit: http://lists.internode.on.net/mailman/listinfo/aus-soaring
Re: [Aus-soaring] Electric replacement for quad bikes aroundairfields
I know of a gopher being used for this quite successfully. Cheap too second hand. Is that to get the pilot or the glider out to the launch pointinfo/aus-soaring? ;-) Beige flameproof suit and terry towelling hat on ___ Aus-soaring mailing list Aus-soaring@lists.internode.on.net To check or change subscription details, visit: http://lists.internode.on.net/mailman/listinfo/aus-soaring
Re: [Aus-soaring] Taxying after Landing (Thanks)
Thanks everyone for the input regarding this topic, there has been some drift from the question I posed about landing and then taxying towards the grid (is this done for the sake of convenience?). I am not referring to landing long past the grid and then taxying off to clear the runway for traffic behind. I have done that many times to provide a clear runway for traffic behind me. i.e. down the runway, taxying away from the grid and off the runway at a shallow angle and not towards any fixed objects if the brakes decide to fail or that I have miscalculated energy management! Even so, Never assume that the glider in front of you will clear the runway for you (it is nice if they do). Sometimes something might happen to the a/c to prevent it getting of the strip in a hurry (i.e. burst tyre on landing, not enough crew to get a/c off strip quickly, a wheels up, collapsed u/c on landing etc.). Have enough energy available to overfly and land longer if possible, consider an off-field landing (if the only runway has been filled up with landing a/c) if it is safe to do so. If you have that luxury, you might elect to land on another runway at the airfield, but by aware of the other traffic. Have plan B and C up your sleeve. ___ Aus-soaring mailing list Aus-soaring@lists.internode.on.net To check or change subscription details, visit: http://lists.internode.on.net/mailman/listinfo/aus-soaring
[Aus-soaring] Taxying up to grid straw poll, day 1 results
No 4 Yes 1 (it depends upon not hitting anything if you lose control or your brakes fail!) Not a big sample size yet! Thanks for the replies. ___ Aus-soaring mailing list Aus-soaring@lists.internode.on.net To check or change subscription details, visit: http://lists.internode.on.net/mailman/listinfo/aus-soaring
Re: [Aus-soaring] Simple question straw poll, (offlist reply)
Why the straw poll? I had the audacity to question a fellow level 2 as to why he taxied a heavy club two seater (a DG1000 with 2 POB) to within 5-10m of the back of the launching grid (there were other gliders on the grid). I was told that since I didn't have anywhere near the vast years of experience he had, 1,00's of kms of X-country he did and I wasn't as regular flier as he was that I had no right to criticise him. I was the level 2 running the day. Just trying to see how prevalent taxying up behind the grid is. Great to hear from you! ___ Aus-soaring mailing list Aus-soaring@lists.internode.on.net To check or change subscription details, visit: http://lists.internode.on.net/mailman/listinfo/aus-soaring
Re: [Aus-soaring] Simple question straw poll, you can reply offlist
It depends on the position of the grid on the airfield. To clarify. Grid is off the active strip to one side, so when taking off, the tow combination then tracks back onto the active strip and flies away. That is, there is a clear runway alongside the launch grid. The never taxi/always land straight crowd should re-think if they ever fly a comp with 30+ gliders on final behind them! NOT taxying off is unsafe in heavy traffic and may be a contributing factor in at least one fatal accident I know of. I am not referring to landing long past the grid and then taxying off to clear the runway. I have done that many times. i.e. down the runway, taxying away from the grid and not towards any fixed objects if the brakes decide to fail or that I have miscalculated energy management! Perhaps I should've asked, How many ways are there to skin a cat? ___ Aus-soaring mailing list Aus-soaring@lists.internode.on.net To check or change subscription details, visit: http://lists.internode.on.net/mailman/listinfo/aus-soaring
[Aus-soaring] Simple question straw poll, you can reply offlist
Simple Question; When flying a glider, is it OK to taxy off the runway after landing to position the glider close to the rear of the launch grid? YES or NO or It depends.. (give a reason) Offlist replies preferred From latest MOSP Taxying after landing Sailplanes should make a straight approach and landing run parallel to the runway and must not taxy clear of the runway unless operationally required and only if no other aircraft can land alongside in the direction of taxi. Powered sailplanes may taxi under power providing it is safe to do so. ___ Aus-soaring mailing list Aus-soaring@lists.internode.on.net To check or change subscription details, visit: http://lists.internode.on.net/mailman/listinfo/aus-soaring
[Aus-soaring] Engires fires, repent, repent, remove engine... ; -) (Warning, prepared by machines that might process humour)
Radical concept for preventing engines fires. Don't have an engine...! ;-) We fly gliders after all.. Tongue planted very firmly in cheek whilst running away to hide (again). The only time you have too much fuel is when you are on fire. PS. but seriously, very interesting read regarding the various ways fire extinguishing is managed. i.e. engine retracted fire is a different beast to engine deployed fire. What is the best fire extinguishing material. Flammability of composite structures, and the like. Arguments of salvagability versus survivability. Great read, keep it coming. M.T. ___ Aus-soaring mailing list Aus-soaring@lists.internode.on.net To check or change subscription details, visit: http://lists.internode.on.net/mailman/listinfo/aus-soaring
[Aus-soaring] Help, my PDA caught fire.....!
A goodly number of GA fires are in fact cockpit fires. We've got lots of electronics and wiring in glider cockpits nowadays and fancy batteries. Too true. I wonder when that will start appearing in the accident reports. More likely battery fires though with the amount of hardware in cockpits nowadays. Then there are brake fires (towing a glider out to launch with the airbrakes out and brake on is a way to do that), canopies starting fires etc. It will end up an obscure activity indulged in by aging eccentrics, far from civilization and polite company. Oh wait ... RAOFLMAO. That's why I love it ;-) ___ Aus-soaring mailing list Aus-soaring@lists.internode.on.net To check or change subscription details, visit: http://lists.internode.on.net/mailman/listinfo/aus-soaring
Re: [Aus-soaring] wingwalkers
When I first saw your e-mail I thought you were talking about two of these: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wingwalker They would be hard to find. I thought that glider wings would be too slippery and narrow! Season's greetings all... From: aus-soaring-boun...@lists.internode.on.net [mailto:aus-soaring-boun...@lists.internode.on.net] On Behalf Of grietje wansink Sent: Sunday, 6 January 2013 06:58 To: aus-soaring@lists.internode.on.net Subject: [Aus-soaring] wingwalkers Dear All, Unfortunately, someone drove over two wing walkers yesterday. Does any one have a wing walker I can buy? The gliders are ASH31 and a Ventus 2cm. Thank you in advance, Grietje ___ Aus-soaring mailing list Aus-soaring@lists.internode.on.net To check or change subscription details, visit: http://lists.internode.on.net/mailman/listinfo/aus-soaring
Re: [Aus-soaring] Urinary crystals
when urinated upon turn everything into an easily manageable gel??? Gee whizz, I don't want to be turned into an easily manageable gel! They must be very powerful crystals if they can do that (i.e. turn everything into an easily manageable gel) ;-) ___ Aus-soaring mailing list Aus-soaring@lists.internode.on.net To check or change subscription details, visit: http://lists.internode.on.net/mailman/listinfo/aus-soaring
[Aus-soaring] Sky 1 Installation Update
I have have just installed something fantastic. It is called Sky(TM). It is applied to the entire outer surface of the canopy. Although it is solar powered it doesn't need batteries, or a link to a GPS unit or any extra holes drilled into your instrument panel. It's visibility in bright sunlight is really good and most studies have agreed that its presence augments the gliding experience. It is available in a range of colours and patterns. Please see this link: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sky BTW: This is humour (sort of...) ___ Aus-soaring mailing list Aus-soaring@lists.internode.on.net To check or change subscription details, visit: http://lists.internode.on.net/mailman/listinfo/aus-soaring
[Aus-soaring] Metric versus imperial, you gotta learn to love it.... ; -)
In some parts of the world, metric units are used for altimetry, and metres are used on European altimeters, and many paragliders and hangies here in Oz use metres on their instruments: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Flight_level#Metric_flight_levels Although I believe there is a push by ICAO wrt RVSM that the whole world uses feet and flight levels. The type of units used, well, despite the confusion, my brain hasn't exploded yet: Altimeter = feet or flight levels Runway dimensions = Metres Vertical clearance from cloud = feet Horizontal clearance from cloud = Metres Visibility = Metres or kilometres Fuel Flow = Gallons per hour Fuel capacity = Litres Oil temperature =Degrees Fahrenheit Outside Air temp = Degrees Centigrade Manifold pressure =Inches of Mercury Tyre pressure = Pounds per square inch Distance of the airfield from the town when you drive in a car = Kilometres (i.e the airfield is 3 km SE of the town) Distance the town is from the airfield when inbound = Nautical miles (i.e. Inbound from the NW at 2nm) Duration of your flight = 1hour and 6 minutes VDO time = 1.1hours Area forecast winds = degrees true. Airfield forecast winds = degrees magnetic Important measures when rigging a twin seater glider: Distance required to move a wingtip forward or backwards = Just a smidge, any distance more is too much Distance required to lift a heavy wing = Just a smidge (really means more, i.e. until your hernia pops) The mass of a wing = They don't weigh much = They're bloody heavy Upright = Usually not truly vertical Have a great w/e flying everyone... ___ Aus-soaring mailing list Aus-soaring@lists.internode.on.net To check or change subscription details, visit: http://lists.internode.on.net/mailman/listinfo/aus-soaring
Re: [Aus-soaring] Groan.Perceptions of gliding from the ground
If gliding is more interesting than photographing it, Here is my contribution, title Perceptions of gliding from the ground. A timeless study in three colours (if you include white as a colour). The glider is the white dot under the middle cloud. I think this picture captures how most (non) people see gliding. This picture is lucky because most days the gliders are too far away to see... Fly safe, have fun... attachment: GlidingPicture.GIF___ Aus-soaring mailing list Aus-soaring@lists.internode.on.net To check or change subscription details, visit: http://lists.internode.on.net/mailman/listinfo/aus-soaring
[Aus-soaring] Something to make you laugh, Ozzie IFR waypoint fun, this is true!
This is funny, Airservices Australia have a sense of humour: http://makingtimeforflying.blogspot.com.au/2009/08/youll-come-flying-mat ilda-with-me.html Look in the Airservices Austrlia designated airspace book: http://www.airservicesaustralia.com/aip/current/dah/dah.pdf Section 21 - IFR Waypoints Lat Long WONSA -22 110 JOLLY -23 110 SWAGY -24 110 CAMBS -25 110 BUIYA -26 110 BYLLA -27 110 BONGS -28 110 UNDER -29 110 ACOOL -30 110 EBARR -31 110 TREES -32 110 The Yanks like a laugh too. There is this classic one from RNAV (GPS) Approach for RWY 16 Portsmouth Airport in New Hampshire USA (KPSM). Imagine entering this in the navigation computer! See: https://skyvector.com/files/tpp/1209/pdf/00678R16.PDF If you start at the initial approach fix (IAF) in the northwest: ITAWT To the intermediate fix (IF): ITAWA To the final approach fix (FAF): PUDYE Missed approach point: TTATT Missed approach holding point: IDEED ___ Aus-soaring mailing list Aus-soaring@lists.internode.on.net To check or change subscription details, visit: http://lists.internode.on.net/mailman/listinfo/aus-soaring
Re: [Aus-soaring] Instruments and beyond
And then you link it to your computer at home so you don't have to drive to the airfield because the DI/launch robot has placed your glider on the grid, with it's onboard camera and computer and fly the thing from home. If you have a mid air no-one gets hurt apart from those whom the bits fall on the ground. Hang on! wait up! why would you even need a glider? Have a virtual one. You could play Condor. No a/c req'd, no airfield req'd, no club m'ship req'd, no GFA req'd. You can still wear beige though and a floppy hat. Although I guess some-one would complain about how to handicap their computer system so they win all the time. Me, I'd rather go gliding... Warning, my tongue is planted firmly in my cheek for those with no sense of humour.! Once you have the electronics for the attitude instrumentation you also have most of an autopilot, you only need the servos to make one. With modern LiFePO4 batteries the electrical power isn't a problem. The Duckhawk already has electrically actuated flaps which means it is easy to organise *never* being in the wrong flap setting. So thermalling becomes a matter of pushing the leftor right button and the glider smoothly rolls into a co-ordinated left or right turn at 40 degrees of bank angle at the optimum lift coefficient for minimum sink. You will have a button to roll off the bank to straight flight and this could be used for centering. The ball would be in the middle the whole time so you'll need footrests as you won't have your feet on the pedals. ___ Aus-soaring mailing list Aus-soaring@lists.internode.on.net To check or change subscription details, visit: http://lists.internode.on.net/mailman/listinfo/aus-soaring
Re: [Aus-soaring] Pee Tube
Nah, poor old tuggies can't pee because they never drink enough. Their pipe works get plugged up with kidney stones! http://www.casa.gov.au/wcmswr/_assets/main/avmed/journal_urinary_calculi .pdf As a tuggie, you are more likely to crap your pants when the glider on tow does something silly. Remember, be kind to tuggies, they have much fewer options From a lapsed tuggie ___ Aus-soaring mailing list Aus-soaring@lists.internode.on.net To check or change subscription details, visit: http://lists.internode.on.net/mailman/listinfo/aus-soaring
Re: [Aus-soaring] Club accounting
Now you'll have someone asking what happened on 14th Feb 1966. Valentine's Day perhaps? ;-) Petr Svoboda, Czech ice hockey player was born ___ Aus-soaring mailing list Aus-soaring@lists.internode.on.net To check or change subscription details, visit: http://lists.internode.on.net/mailman/listinfo/aus-soaring
Re: [Aus-soaring] Up there with the eagles - Kingaroy 1967
Well some things never change. We still wear beige... From: aus-soaring-boun...@lists.internode.on.net [mailto:aus-soaring-boun...@lists.internode.on.net] On Behalf Of Brisbane Gliding Adventures Sent: Tuesday, 14 August 2012 20:56 To: aus-soaring@lists.internode.on.net Subject: [Aus-soaring] Up there with the eagles - Kingaroy 1967 http://www.glidingcaboolture.org.au/gq60/people_mag_08Feb67.htm Kevin Rodda Secretary GLIDING QUEENSLAND ___ Aus-soaring mailing list Aus-soaring@lists.internode.on.net To check or change subscription details, visit: http://lists.internode.on.net/mailman/listinfo/aus-soaring
[Aus-soaring] Priceless maintenance!
Next time you are doing the DI and find a minor defect http://www.perthnow.com.au/travel/news/alaska-airlines-plane-wing-note-n ot-appropriate/story-fn30173u-1226445659619 ___ Aus-soaring mailing list Aus-soaring@lists.internode.on.net To check or change subscription details, visit: http://lists.internode.on.net/mailman/listinfo/aus-soaring
Re: [Aus-soaring] Ascencion Scattering
I hear their prices are going up Boom tish From: aus-soaring-boun...@lists.internode.on.net [mailto:aus-soaring-boun...@lists.internode.on.net] On Behalf Of Christopher McDonnell Sent: Friday, 3 August 2012 06:20 To: aus-soaring@lists.internode.on.net Subject: [Aus-soaring] Ascencion Scattering Only in the US of A http://www.dailycamera.com/boulder-business/ci_21213913/boulder-company-offers-heavenward-scattering-ashes ___ Aus-soaring mailing list Aus-soaring@lists.internode.on.net To check or change subscription details, visit: http://lists.internode.on.net/mailman/listinfo/aus-soaring
[Aus-soaring] CADO versus Hypobaric hypoxia
One paper (see below) concludes that Combined Altitude Depleted Oxygen (CADO) is just as effective a tool for hypoxia awareness training as hypobaric hypoxia. It could be said that an explosive decompression is not a usual scenario for glider pilots at altitude (unless you are in a pressurised cockpit for extreme altitude flights), hence a gradual 'physiological ascent' by turning down the oxygen ratio will simulate the insidious nature of hypoxia during an ascent more realistically. Decompression chambers have been associated with occurrences of the bends, I know of one person who had the bends following a chamber run. Any comment from AvMed types? http://www.ingentaconnect.com/content/asma/asem/2010/0081/0009/a rt6 ___ Aus-soaring mailing list Aus-soaring@lists.internode.on.net To check or change subscription details, visit: http://lists.internode.on.net/mailman/listinfo/aus-soaring
Re: [Aus-soaring] CADO versus Hypobaric hypoxia
But then again, there is this presentation that say there are differences between normobaric hypoxia (i.e breathing oxygen poor mixtures at sea level pressure), CADO (in a chamber at 10,000' altitude breathing an oxygen poor mixture) and hypobaric hypoxia ( HH i.e full chamber to 25,000'). It depends whether you want to know what you hypoxia symptoms (in normobaric and CADO) are versus the rapidity of onset in HH (to reinforce the urgency of the situation). Thinking back to my previous post, one cause for sudden hypoxia for glider pilots would be a sudden malfunction of the oxygen supply system or running out of O2! http://www.amma.asn.au/amma2011/downloads/Smith%20-%20Hypoxia.pdf ___ Aus-soaring mailing list Aus-soaring@lists.internode.on.net To check or change subscription details, visit: http://lists.internode.on.net/mailman/listinfo/aus-soaring
[Aus-soaring] ABC radio transponder story
Forwarded from Kim Taylor: Hi All, This morning on ABC radio AM programme a story regarding the regional airline Rex pushing for gliders to carry transponders. Rex had a near miss involving a glider and one of their air ambulances. Link to story : http://www.abc.net.au/am/content/2012/s3538383.htm Regards, Kim T ___ Aus-soaring mailing list Aus-soaring@lists.internode.on.net To check or change subscription details, visit: http://lists.internode.on.net/mailman/listinfo/aus-soaring
Re: [Aus-soaring] ABCD etc.
How do we know that the tail dolly wasn't put on to facilitate removal of the wreck? Let's wait until the report folks... From: aus-soaring-boun...@lists.internode.on.net [mailto:aus-soaring-boun...@lists.internode.on.net] On Behalf Of Michael Scutter Sent: Tuesday, 19 June 2012 15:24 To: Discussion of issues relating to Soaring in Australia. Subject: Re: [Aus-soaring] ABCD etc. the aircraft type was a IS-28B2 BRASOV GLIDER Michael Scutter, Education Training Consultant, Email: michael_scut...@yahoo.com.au Mobile: 0417822330 (Int +614178223300) skype://michaelscutter I don't say anything here that I would not say to your face. From: Christopher Mc Donnell wommamuku...@bigpond.com To: Gliding mail list aus-soaring@lists.internode.on.net Sent: Tuesday, 19 June 2012 4:49 PM Subject: [Aus-soaring] ABCD etc. http://www.chron.com/news/houston-texas/article/Cause-sought-in-glider-c rash-that-killed-3-near-3643035.php ___ Aus-soaring mailing list Aus-soaring@lists.internode.on.net To check or change subscription details, visit: http://lists.internode.on.net/mailman/listinfo/aus-soaring ___ Aus-soaring mailing list Aus-soaring@lists.internode.on.net To check or change subscription details, visit: http://lists.internode.on.net/mailman/listinfo/aus-soaring
[Aus-soaring] Mandl extractor - Is it snake oil or is there something to it?
It's referring to this: http://www.dg-flugzeugbau.de/mandl-absaugung-e.html Any comment from aeronautical engineering types? Have DG's results been independently verified? ___ Aus-soaring mailing list Aus-soaring@lists.internode.on.net To check or change subscription details, visit: http://lists.internode.on.net/mailman/listinfo/aus-soaring
Re: [Aus-soaring] Best colour for visibility?
Black is not a colour ;-) It is an absence of colour From: aus-soaring-boun...@lists.internode.on.net [mailto:aus-soaring-boun...@lists.internode.on.net] On Behalf Of tom claffey Sent: Monday, 21 May 2012 17:04 To: Discussion of issues relating to Soaring in Australia. Subject: Re: [Aus-soaring] Best colour for visibility? Black. [daytime] ;] Tom From: Adam Woolley aussiejuniort...@hotmail.com To: aus-soaring@lists.internode.on.net Sent: Monday, 21 May 2012 6:55 PM Subject: [Aus-soaring] Best colour for visibility? G'day All, Curious to know, in your opinion (or backed up with evidence) what is the most visible colour seen looking from the ground to sky? SeeYou, WPP ___ Aus-soaring mailing list Aus-soaring@lists.internode.on.net To check or change subscription details, visit: http://lists.internode.on.net/mailman/listinfo/aus-soaring ___ Aus-soaring mailing list Aus-soaring@lists.internode.on.net To check or change subscription details, visit: http://lists.internode.on.net/mailman/listinfo/aus-soaring
Re: [Aus-soaring] self declared fitness, some observations
Some observations. of the 2000 sailplaners across Australia are just flying for fun for themselves. They risk themselves (having had that conversation no doubt with loved ones) often in a sailplane they own Fair enough if the activity doesn't hurt anyone else. I guess to paraphrase, If a tree falls in a forest, does anybody hear it? We using someone else's glider, or carrying other non-pilots, flying over a township etc. it would seem prudent (as it is a legal requirement) to be fit to fly So you're saying it's no different from driving, then? That's if one is prepared to accept the risk of a healthy driver suddenly becoming incapacitated by a de-novo (new onset) medical event and causing the death/injury of another road user. This argument is used by people to counter regular health checks for drivers (i.e. there will be always someone who slips through the net so why bother). Nevertheless health checks can hopefully identify and treat those with health problems to lessen the risk of them becoming incapacitated. ___ Aus-soaring mailing list Aus-soaring@lists.internode.on.net To check or change subscription details, visit: http://lists.internode.on.net/mailman/listinfo/aus-soaring
Re: [Aus-soaring] self declared fitness
I wonder what statistical evidence there is for the added safety value of the Class 2 Medical. Let's also not forget that glider pilots are aging (like their aircraft), so statistically your chance of developing a medical health issue is increased just by virtue of being around longer. Diabetes, high blood pressure can be silently doing you damage. Many chronic medical problems can be better managed when they are diagnosed early, so aviation medicals aside, everyone should have a family GP and visit them once a year for a health check (even the young folk). Pee in a jar, get your blood pressure checked, have your blood glucose and lipids checked. ___ Aus-soaring mailing list Aus-soaring@lists.internode.on.net To check or change subscription details, visit: http://lists.internode.on.net/mailman/listinfo/aus-soaring
Re: [Aus-soaring] CASA gliding licence, class 2 medicals
On the face of it, it seems like a good idea. I watch with interest. Re requirements for a Class 2 medical, not onerous either and an opportunity/prompt to keep yourself healthy! There will also be a number of people flying currently who would not pass a Class 2 medical. If that is the case, they would not be able to get the CASA licence, unless they were able to have their medical problems fixed to the satisfaction of the CASA medical office. Being medically invalidated for your class 2 medical is not necessarily the end of the road. Yes, there are horror stories people losing their medical for what they feel are trivial reasons and having to fight tooth and nail to get their Class 2 back again. But there are many other stories of people having a health problem that does ground them temporarily being able to manage the health problem (in consultation with competent and sympathetic DAMEs and specialists) to the satisfaction of CASA so that they can fly again. Don't forget your right to a second opinion. As it stands with GFA, pilots can make a health declaration (or have their GP make a declaration). This relies upon trust in the individual to be honest with themselves (and their GP). How comfortable people feel about glider pilots flying with self declared fitness to fly can be another topic for discussion! Or to use the 'loved one' argument: Would you let a loved one, or family member fly as a passenger with someone who declares their own fitness to fly? From my own experience, my desire for flying has helped me maintain a healthy way of life, because I want to remain healthy enough to do a past-time I enjoy immensely still. Fly safe, fly healthy Michael Texler ___ Aus-soaring mailing list Aus-soaring@lists.internode.on.net To check or change subscription details, visit: http://lists.internode.on.net/mailman/listinfo/aus-soaring
[Aus-soaring] Gliders versus Power, radio use, look out, it can be difficult, know the limitations
As both a glider pilot and a private light aircraft power pilot (PPL), the debate about alerted see and avoid, and radio use is all very well, but there are situations where even directed see and avoid can be difficult. Gliders (and some light aircraft) in cruising flight can be difficult to see, especially in overcast conditions. Even when you know where to look, the target can be very difficult to find, especially when they are approaching you front on and not thermalling. You just need to keep looking, and if unsure, get on the radio again. Reams about this has been written in the 'See and Avoid' documents. I think that alerted see and avoid is not a bad way to operate. Of course the debate will always rage about Gliders being on 122.7 MHz versus monitoring the area frequency, and about when the CTAF should be monitored, because alerted see and avoid will not work if you are on different radio frequencies. To counterbalance this though, most light aircraft nowadays have 2 VHF radios, so at least you can listening out on the area frequency and monitor 122.7 MHz or monitoring the CTAF within 10nm of the aerodrome. However, often the CTAF frequency becomes cluttered by all the users within a 50 to 100nm radius. This leads to problems too! I would agree that many glider pilots need to tighten up their radio procedures: broadcast the required calls and to minimise chatter. Also because glider pilots are sharing airspace with other users, we should be teaching how to monitor the radio (and the alerted see and avoid is a strong argument for monitoring the area frequency when outside the CTAF) and to avoid unnecessary use. Of course others will have differing opinions! Bring them on. Safe flying, lookout, and listen! Michael Texler See: Operations at Non-Towered aerodromes http://www.casa.gov.au/wcmswr/_assets/main/download/caaps/ops/166-1.pdf Principles of See and Avoid at Non-Towered aerodromes. http://www.casa.gov.au/wcmswr/_assets/main/download/caaps/ops/166-2.pdf ___ Aus-soaring mailing list Aus-soaring@lists.internode.on.net To check or change subscription details, visit: http://lists.internode.on.net/mailman/listinfo/aus-soaring
Re: [Aus-soaring] Gliders versus Power, radio use, look out, it can be difficult, know the limitations
One thing missing - other aircraft, such as Paragliders don't even use our radios. And they still fly with us too. Fair point. They use CB radios (I assume due to less restrictions on its use and that they are lightweight. But so is a hand held VHF). I will speak to my paragliding colleagues, unless anyone else on the list who also paraglides wants to comment. Also more often than not, paraglider canopies tend to be brightly coloured and slightly easier to spot (although I have seen some grey and white ones). You need to remember that there is someone hanging underneath them! ___ Aus-soaring mailing list Aus-soaring@lists.internode.on.net To check or change subscription details, visit: http://lists.internode.on.net/mailman/listinfo/aus-soaring
[Aus-soaring] Gliders, Transponders and ATC
Transponders work OK if being interrogated by a secondary radar. No use outside of radar coverage. However, there are many more active devices appearing that do not rely upon being interrogated and broadcast (a la FLARM and ADS-B). I reckon watch this space ___ Aus-soaring mailing list Aus-soaring@lists.internode.on.net To check or change subscription details, visit: http://lists.internode.on.net/mailman/listinfo/aus-soaring
Re: [Aus-soaring] Gliders, Transponders and ATC
Not true, TCAS will trigger your transponder outside radar coverage. Thanks Mike. Is that sort of TCAS still a big boy's (heavy metal) toy or is it creeping into GA? When I have used GA a/c equip with a so-called 'TCAS', I was told it relied upon using signals from interrogated transponders. It gave only rudimentary information such as aircraft at, above or below, and no heading information. winmail.dat___ Aus-soaring mailing list Aus-soaring@lists.internode.on.net To check or change subscription details, visit: http://lists.internode.on.net/mailman/listinfo/aus-soaring
[Aus-soaring] Riding around in a header
I remember when I did my Silver C distance in an ES59 Arrow (GNF) many moons ago. The outlanding paddock (a lovely stubble paddock, flat as a billiard table) was right next to town of Crystal Brook (galvanized iron fences were on one side of the paddock). After securing the aircraft, I walked across to the what I presumed was the owner's house to offer explanation and apology. He and his young kids were already halfway out across the paddock in their Ute to greet me. All were very curious, and he did not seem fussed by my outlanding and he and his kids were keen to look at the glider. So I went in the Ute, he and the kids had a look and sit in the glider and were quite amazed about what an ancient looking thing could actually do. I asked to use a phone to phone the retrieve crew and I was offered a cool drink. I also asked if I could help around the place. He said that was OK, but if I wanted to go for a ride in the header, so I ended up riding around in an air conditioned header for the rest of the afternoon with the farmer having a general yak. It was good to hear the farmer's side of the story while he went about his business. I have been lucky that all the outlandings I have had have been without any bad feelings from the land owner. Most seem quite interested in what we get up to. And I remember that I am an ambassador for the sport. ___ Aus-soaring mailing list Aus-soaring@lists.internode.on.net To check or change subscription details, visit: http://lists.internode.on.net/mailman/listinfo/aus-soaring
Re: [Aus-soaring] overflying property ... (?Monarto International)
My local Council continues to be hot-to-trot favouring an international airport within its area. The selected location has its boundary fence 500metres from my strip. That's terrible. OMG, think of all the animals at Monarto Zoo that will be scared to death!!! I hope jet proofing the animals is part of the master plan, quick we need a Rhino whisperer. TPFIC Seriously: I hope they never shove Adelaide airport out there. BTW TPFIC = Tongue planted firmly in cheek ___ Aus-soaring mailing list Aus-soaring@lists.internode.on.net To check or change subscription details, visit: http://lists.internode.on.net/mailman/listinfo/aus-soaring
[Aus-soaring] Mars weather for the weekend of 10 - 11March 2012
Thermals on Mars: http://www.abc.net.au/news/2012-03-08/a-whirlwind-rises-from-the-surface -of-mars/3875938 The retrieve might be difficult, the launch even harder. The aircraft would be difficult to fly. The air density at the Martian 'sea level' is the same as FL800 (80,000' AMSL i.e. about 1% of sea level on Earth), so the indicated airspeed is about one tenth of true airspeed. Gravity is about one third of Earth's, so you only need to develop one third of the lift to get airborne, but that would require very high speed in the thin air (I think you need to go close to Mach 1 to get airborne and the stall is not much below Mach 1). Thermalling would be interesting because of wide radius turns (you see the air is so thin that the turning force is correspondingly small). But remember you would still have the inertial mass. Landing would be interesting too, airbrakes, spoilers and parachutes wouldn't work that well because they wouldn't develop enough drag. Your landing speed would be near Mach 1 too, so if you had a prang, you would tumble across the Martian landscape for a fair distance (because the lack of air resistance would slow you down). Your wheel brakes would be less effective because you would only have one third of the weight on the wheels. You may need a cable arrestor system! I have mucked around with flying on Mars in X-Plane (it also has the Mars elevation data), it is very tricky. You need something with a low wing loading and long slender wings (much like a glider!) ___ Aus-soaring mailing list Aus-soaring@lists.internode.on.net To check or change subscription details, visit: http://lists.internode.on.net/mailman/listinfo/aus-soaring
Re: [Aus-soaring] Never assume - always check!!!
It's called light humour. :) Yes, very lite indeed! 99% fat free! ___ Aus-soaring mailing list Aus-soaring@lists.internode.on.net To check or change subscription details, visit: http://lists.internode.on.net/mailman/listinfo/aus-soaring
Re: [Aus-soaring] Never assume - always check!!!
That one didn't wash, might work if you said it to a non-flying crowd, major plot holes even for a fable. What sort of bonehead student would start a plane without his instructor? Might be possible for an ab initio in a single engine at a flying school with very sloppy ops. If someone was undergoing twin engine training, their expected level of experience would not be party to such a happening anyway. More telling are the stories of gliders coming out of Form 2 or a de-rig/re-rig with controls not properly connected despite daily inspections and independent checks(now sits back and watches the fur fly...) ___ Aus-soaring mailing list Aus-soaring@lists.internode.on.net To check or change subscription details, visit: http://lists.internode.on.net/mailman/listinfo/aus-soaring
Re: [Aus-soaring] Ramp Check on Tug at Beverley
Did the CASA official provide proof of his own identity? I think that you would be within your rights to at least record the name of the officer doing the ramp check and what transpired in case anything went pear shaped. In today's age, how would you know you're not dealing with someone who was bogus. winmail.dat___ Aus-soaring mailing list Aus-soaring@lists.internode.on.net To check or change subscription details, visit: http://lists.internode.on.net/mailman/listinfo/aus-soaring
[Aus-soaring] Air Law
So long as it is in a CASA approved pilot's operating handbook (POH), seems to trump everything else...! Such as hand starting a Saratoga by oneself, relying upon the park brake to hold the a/c. I recall that Dr. Isabel won the court case because hand starting with park brake on was an approved procedure in the Saratoga POH. There was some suggestion that the park brake might have been faulty and it could not be proven that Dr. Isabel was negligent. See: (http://www.check-six.com/Crash_Sites/VH-KBZ-ShreddedSeminole.htm) Can anyone else remember more detail of this case? ___ Aus-soaring mailing list Aus-soaring@lists.internode.on.net To check or change subscription details, visit: http://lists.internode.on.net/mailman/listinfo/aus-soaring
[Aus-soaring] CPL exams summarised (may contain humour...)
Human Factors - Don't fly when tired and emotional or sick. Remember to listen to others, they might have something important to say AGK- If it has rotors, it is not a plane. Generally planes are found more often on the ground than in the sky. Aerodynamics - Planes need wings to fly well, how it works can lead to arguments between engineers and mathematicians. Met - If it is wet it is raining usually. If it is darker than normal it is cloudy or night-time. Nav- Press the goto button on your favourite GPS. The 1 in 60 rule is how often you get your navigation calculations correct. Air Law- Refer to the regs, remember to have a moisture absorbent mat for guide dogs on board. Crocodiles must be confined to a strong box if carried as cargo. Flight Planning- Go to NAIPS, get NOTAMS, weather. Plan flight. Go to flying school to discover instructor sick, plane grounded or weather worse than forecast so no flying! Good luck with the CPL exams you guys, I hear that the exams really sharpen you up! From a humble PPL! ___ Aus-soaring mailing list Aus-soaring@lists.internode.on.net To check or change subscription details, visit: http://lists.internode.on.net/mailman/listinfo/aus-soaring
Re: [Aus-soaring] Fore - glider coming (includes onboard video)
This link below includes onboard video of the event: http://au.news.yahoo.com/thewest/a/-/wa/12263348/pilot-lands-plane-on-go lf-course/ ___ Aus-soaring mailing list Aus-soaring@lists.internode.on.net To check or change subscription details, visit: http://lists.internode.on.net/mailman/listinfo/aus-soaring
Re: [Aus-soaring] Gliders behaving badly
More like people behaving badly ;-) ___ Aus-soaring mailing list Aus-soaring@lists.internode.on.net To check or change subscription details, visit: http://lists.internode.on.net/mailman/listinfo/aus-soaring
[Aus-soaring] Headline: Flight Lands Safely Was: Media (sigh)
Ah yes the media, it is a bit like: Flight Lands Safely In Perth after mid flight radio broadcast Breaking News: A Qantas flight from Sydney to Perth (QF 565) landed safely at 9:10 am today. The Boeing 767-300 made a text book landing after the 3 hour flight carrying 220 people. Apparently the pilot called air traffic controllers mid flight, from almost 10km altitude, declaring Ops normal. A Qantas spokesman said that this was not unusual and pilots were trained for such occurrences. The plane made an uneventful landing on arrival in Perth. No one was injured and all the passenger disembarked without incident. Passenger John Smith, when asked about how the crew handled the situation, said Well the Captain told us what the weather was going to be like in Perth and told us the local time. His voice was very calm. Disclaimer: the above is satire and a parody! ___ Aus-soaring mailing list Aus-soaring@lists.internode.on.net To check or change subscription details, visit: http://lists.internode.on.net/mailman/listinfo/aus-soaring
[Aus-soaring] Mixing with people you don't like..
The point about people being your friends is a good one.. They have to mix with people they don't like. LOL, metaphor for life really! Much like going to the footy... You might not like the people, but it's the activity that gives you a jolly! Sorry, back to normal back-biting... ;-) ___ Aus-soaring mailing list Aus-soaring@lists.internode.on.net To check or change subscription details, visit: http://lists.internode.on.net/mailman/listinfo/aus-soaring
Re: [Aus-soaring] Goofy's Glider (1940)
Superb, good to see not much has changed! -Original Message- From: aus-soaring-boun...@lists.internode.on.net on behalf of Christopher Mc Donnell Sent: Sun 7/3/2011 6:43 AM To: Gliding mail list Subject: [Aus-soaring] Goofy's Glider (1940) http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_nWy75qKf-k winmail.dat___ Aus-soaring mailing list Aus-soaring@lists.internode.on.net To check or change subscription details, visit: http://lists.internode.on.net/mailman/listinfo/aus-soaring
Re: [Aus-soaring] Fw: Good morning
Sir, Can you please walk in a strait line? How many fingers am I holding up? Can you say Theophilus' thistler? Then please remain seated and one of our helpful staff will assist you... ;-) From: aus-soaring-boun...@lists.internode.on.net [mailto:aus-soaring-boun...@lists.internode.on.net] On Behalf Of Christopher Mc Donnell Sent: Friday, 24 June 2011 06:02 To: aus-soaring@lists.internode.on.net Subject: [Aus-soaring] Fw: Good morning Oh no! Again. Doh! - Original Message - From: Christopher Mc Donnell mailto:wommamuku...@bigpond.com To: aus-soaring@lists.internode.on.net Sent: Friday, June 24, 2011 7:55 AM Subject: [Aus-soaring] Good morning Good morning DDD Cloudy here. Your fault. DDD oxo ___ Aus-soaring mailing list Aus-soaring@lists.internode.on.net To check or change subscription details, visit: http://lists.internode.on.net/mailman/listinfo/aus-soaring ___ Aus-soaring mailing list Aus-soaring@lists.internode.on.net To check or change subscription details, visit: http://lists.internode.on.net/mailman/listinfo/aus-soaring
[Aus-soaring] Make sure you don't have an open mike....
Even professional pilots can get caught short! http://www.perthnow.com.au/news/southwest-pilot-suspended-over-ugly-host ies-rant/story-e6frg12c-1226080618332 Reminds me of the time when the local CTAF frequency was jammed by an open mike during an AEF, you could here the pilot chatting away to the pax about the landmarks to be seen, with various ooo's and aaah's being heard from the passenger. ___ Aus-soaring mailing list Aus-soaring@lists.internode.on.net To check or change subscription details, visit: http://lists.internode.on.net/mailman/listinfo/aus-soaring
[Aus-soaring] Backup instruments and human factors with electronic displays
Would be curious to know what the status of the standby pitots and statics were in the Air France flight (if such information is possible to ascertain from the data recorders). Assuming there was enough electricity to the standby unit, I guess the only useful standby instrument would've been the Artificial Horizon if the standby statics and pitots were malfunctioning (hence the backup altimeter and ASI would have also been in error). An alternate static source is not useful in a pressurised cockpit! Hopefully all will be revealed after the investigation. As an aside, interesting human factors exercise: I did my AFR recently in a Partenavia (P68C) with a SAGEM glass cockpit. First time I have flown with a glass cockpit, quite a culture shock. The standby instruments (Steam gauge ASI and Altimeter, electrically powered AH) were discretely at the top middle of the instrument panel. I had familiarised myself with the set-up on the ground in the week before and felt reasonably confident about dealing with it. The instructor told me that it was common for people to focus on the displays and not lookout, so I was prepared for that too. Nevertheless, early on in the flight, I found myself with head down in cockpit staring at the speed tapes and engine instruments with lookout suffering, much to my embarrassment. Certainly the novelty factor was very strong and should not be under estimated. From then on, I really had to focus the work cycle on keeping head out of cockpit with occasional glances at the pretty displays. The difficulty was that familiar information was presented in unfamiliar ways (for example in the steam gauge version the engine manifold pressure gauge is above the tachometer, whereas on the electronic PFD, the tachometer was the top gauge and the manifold pressure the bottom gauge. So I had to read in to tell me it was a manifold pressure gauge, and read RPM for the tacho). I also seemed to look at the standby instruments more often, because I was familiar with them and I could the required information at a glance. It made me think of the increasing instrumentation used in gliders and how that might distract pilots from looking out. I note that some pilots have a big sticker on the instrument panel that says LOOKOUT Certainly food for thought. ___ Aus-soaring mailing list Aus-soaring@lists.internode.on.net To check or change subscription details, visit: http://lists.internode.on.net/mailman/listinfo/aus-soaring
Re: [Aus-soaring] AAIB UK Foka finding
Thanks for providing that: There are many lessons in that report. Here is the AAIB report: http://www.aaib.gov.uk/publications/bulletins/may_2011/szd_24_4a_foka_4_ _g_dbzz.cfm http://www.aaib.gov.uk/publications/bulletins/may_2011/szd_24_4a_foka_4 __g_dbzz.cfm Lucas James -- I was going to include a witty saying, But I couldn't think of one. ___ Aus-soaring mailing list Aus-soaring@lists.internode.on.net To check or change subscription details, visit: http://lists.internode.on.net/mailman/listinfo/aus-soaring
Re: [Aus-soaring] Fw: Good morning
Another dumpling moment! Brilliant sunny day here in Perth! From: aus-soaring-boun...@lists.internode.on.net [mailto:aus-soaring-boun...@lists.internode.on.net] On Behalf Of Christopher Mc Donnell Sent: Friday, 6 May 2011 06:35 To: aus-soaring@lists.internode.on.net Subject: [Aus-soaring] Fw: Good morning Gotta move my daughter's address. Damn. - Original Message - From: Christopher Mc Donnell mailto:wommamuku...@bigpond.com To: aus-soaring@lists.internode.on.net Sent: Friday, May 06, 2011 7:57 AM Subject: [Aus-soaring] Good morning Good morning DDD. Freezing here 6 degrees DDD oxo ___ Aus-soaring mailing list Aus-soaring@lists.internode.on.net To check or change subscription details, visit: http://lists.internode.on.net/mailman/listinfo/aus-soaring ___ Aus-soaring mailing list Aus-soaring@lists.internode.on.net To check or change subscription details, visit: http://lists.internode.on.net/mailman/listinfo/aus-soaring
Re: [Aus-soaring] income protection not glider
This is the one for transport workers. Like most policies, it looks damn useless. The list of exclusions has been put together by the Fun Police. The usual exclusions apply it would seem. If you go mad, get sad or go bad - NO COVER If you engage in most sports - NO COVER If you have any pre-existing health issues - NO COVER With medicos hat on: The irony is that if you have a stress related illness, and seek professional help to reduce your overall risk of subsequent inability to function, you will not get any cover. It almost seems better not to disclose or not seek help, because you would not be labelled with a condition that can be used as an exclusion against you. This is crazy, because preventative health is about addressing problems before they become unmanageable. By declaring a health problem, even though you are taking steps to minimise your risk, usually lands you with an exclusion. e.g. Someone has depression, stops functioning properly, seeks help. Starts treatment, feels better, becomes aware of condition and how to manage it, becomes a productive member of society who is actually savvy about the importance of mental health, and whose subsequent risk of relapse (and cost to the health system, to employers and insurers) is reduced because their condition is being managed. Versus someone who has undiagnosed depression who will cost the health system and employers more. I know of a case of someone seeking income protection and their GP providing a medical assessment and the insurance was knocked back. No diagnosis or management plan was ever discussed with the patient, and hence the patient was unaware of any potential issue. The result for this person is that any subsequent application for insurance refers back to the covering agents refusal to insure. Likewise, any history of depression is unlikely to give you any TPD cover. So if you do ask your GP to provide information to an insurer, make sure you make time to be aware of what is being said before it gets sent off. Because once the insurer has your medical statement, you are not allowed to see it because it is confidential property of the insurer. Medicos hat off. Good luck to anyone who can find out any of the science behind calculating the risk used by insurers. Whenever I have had insurance knocked back because I fly gliders (an activity normally lumped with hang-gliding), I have tried to ask how the risk is determined to see if the decision is fair. The usual answer is We can't tell you because that is our commercial/intellectual property. Being a parent and spouse, I want to make sure that my family are covered in case of my injury or death. This point was brought home by the death of a friend from a brain tumour at age 35, he always said to me, Make sure you are insured for enough. Thanks for listening to my post Easter rant Safe flying, and good luck with the insurers Michael Texler P.S. I do have TPD cover and income protection that includes gliding and power flying. I thank my family's financial advisor for swinging those ones. ___ Aus-soaring mailing list Aus-soaring@lists.internode.on.net To check or change subscription details, visit: http://lists.internode.on.net/mailman/listinfo/aus-soaring
Re: [Aus-soaring] Music in General
If you've got music in the cockpit and you actually notice it, you aren't well enough focused. Wot, who said that? I had my music on, sorry...! ;-) P'haps that explains why there are so many bad drivers on the road with their music, iPods, fat tyres, fat tailpipes, fluffy dice or crystals hanging from the mirror, rear spoilers, tinted windows, cup-holders, power windows and ___ Aus-soaring mailing list Aus-soaring@lists.internode.on.net To check or change subscription details, visit: http://lists.internode.on.net/mailman/listinfo/aus-soaring
Re: [Aus-soaring] Music while flying?
Just out of interest. Are airline pilots allowed listening to music while flying? The (FMS) computer says 'no' But they're still allowed to eat airline food ___ Aus-soaring mailing list Aus-soaring@lists.internode.on.net To check or change subscription details, visit: http://lists.internode.on.net/mailman/listinfo/aus-soaring
Re: [Aus-soaring] Rope break
One real one for me when I was a tow pilot (was actively towing from 1996 to about 2006). Training flight, glider got out of station, a bow developed in the tow rope, weak link broke as the rope pulled taut again. ___ Aus-soaring mailing list Aus-soaring@lists.internode.on.net To check or change subscription details, visit: http://lists.internode.on.net/mailman/listinfo/aus-soaring
Re: [Aus-soaring] Adam's accident
Another dumpling moment! ___ Aus-soaring mailing list Aus-soaring@lists.internode.on.net To check or change subscription details, visit: http://lists.internode.on.net/mailman/listinfo/aus-soaring
Re: [Aus-soaring] Incident at Gympie
That is sad to see a broken tailboom on VH-GFB. Fortunately no-one was seriously injured if you believe the press. Because on April 1 you had a link to an article about the club being up and flying again witha photo of VH-GFB. Again a reminder of how rapidly thunderstorms can move in. Beverley experienced a 70+ knot squall earlier this year. Fortunately we had everything hangared by then (but with only about 15 minutes to spare). Hope Gympie can get up and going again soon. ___ Aus-soaring mailing list Aus-soaring@lists.internode.on.net To check or change subscription details, visit: http://lists.internode.on.net/mailman/listinfo/aus-soaring
Re: [Aus-soaring] Fw: QF 32 A380 progress...
Here is another link: http://www.eglobaltravelmedia.com.au/airline/nancy-bird-walton-the-cripp led-a380-will-return-to-life.html According to this media report the Qantas A380 Nancy Bird-Walton, will be repaired in SIngapore and may return to service later in the year. Pprune is an anonymous forum, so take what is said with a relative grain of salt. Mind you, who is to say that the media report is suspect too! ;-) ___ Aus-soaring mailing list Aus-soaring@lists.internode.on.net To check or change subscription details, visit: http://lists.internode.on.net/mailman/listinfo/aus-soaring
[Aus-soaring] Can people just cool down a bit, and use private messaging
Hi All, I normally don't like making such posts, but the subject line says it. I suspect I am not alone Emotions are running hot on all sides regarding conduct of a certain comp. Granted, people are entitled to their viewpoints, but can the battle please be done elsewhere (use private messages)? I think it is not a good look for such a public slanging match. Not that I am a comps pilot by any stretch of the imagination, but looking at these posts circulating makes me wonder: 1) Why would I ever want to be in one? 2) Why should my GFA dues help sponsor such ventures if it results in such venom? Head poking above parapet, please don't shoot it off! Michael winmail.dat___ Aus-soaring mailing list Aus-soaring@lists.internode.on.net To check or change subscription details, visit: http://lists.internode.on.net/mailman/listinfo/aus-soaring
Re: [Aus-soaring] Ipad
Why cover up a perfectly good eye with an iPad.? Runs and hides At least a map doesn't need batteries and can operate across a wide temperature range! Thermalling is not the time to be looking at a map anyway. ___ Aus-soaring mailing list Aus-soaring@lists.internode.on.net To check or change subscription details, visit: http://lists.internode.on.net/mailman/listinfo/aus-soaring
Re: [Aus-soaring] Beverley Storm, take home messages
If you are airborne and unsure if you can safely land and get secured consider staying up and going around storm [if possible] . This was a biggy, the gust front easily extended across 100's of km. You can even see it on the satellite IR loop starting up near Geraldton and moving down. or even running storm front to another site to be secure. It depends on how high up you can get before cloud forms around you. And how far ahead of the gust front the lift was. If you rode this, you may have ended up over the sea south of Albany. Better to be at 1' or 50km away than trying to land in a gust front. Agreed, landing during the gust front would have been likely fatal... Also being out in the open/outlanded with corrugated iron sheeting blowing around wouldn't be much fun either. ___ Aus-soaring mailing list Aus-soaring@lists.internode.on.net To check or change subscription details, visit: http://lists.internode.on.net/mailman/listinfo/aus-soaring
[Aus-soaring] Very Bad Film Indeed... (Slightly OT sorry)
As an aside, there was a (rather crappy?), SF/Horror movie made in 1995 called The Langoliers based on a novel by Stephen King. Amazingly (as I remember it), they get the storm/passage visuals just about right - a trip through Hell indeed - check it out. I did check it out here (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Langoliers_(TV_miniseries)). OMG WAPOC! Some pretty serious mind bending drugs involved in the narrative there. Nothing to see, go watch Flying High instead (vale Leslie Niesen). ___ Aus-soaring mailing list Aus-soaring@lists.internode.on.net To check or change subscription details, visit: http://lists.internode.on.net/mailman/listinfo/aus-soaring
[Aus-soaring] Beverley Storm, take home messages
In all my years of gliding since 1987 I have never experienced anything like that! I was the Level 2 rostered on for that day at BSS. Thankfully, everyone on field and in the air kept a level head and made sensible decisions. I believe that having the morning briefing helped. I had flown earlier in the day with students and could see the sky darkening to the north. A call come over the radio from a glider airborne to the north at 9,000' the storm was 60km away. Initial impressions was that its groundspeed was 28 km/h. So there was time, so it seemed. Nevertheless, I advised people to start packing club a/c away by landing long on RWY 34. From my days sailing boats, I had seen such conditions develop and had been out on the water when a 60 knotter storm has hit. I launched about 40 mins before it hit, in the belief that the storm was not moving too rapidly towards us. On tow, you could see it approaching very rapidly with raised dust in the gust front that stretched to the horizon, so I bunged off early at 2000' AGL and landed long too, the air was quite bouyant. You could've ridden the gust front to Albany! Fortunately all club a/c were hangared 15-20min before it hit (not much time really). Members cars were placed undercover too. The wind was furious around the 70+ knot mark (125km/h +). Day went to night with the dust. It was noisy and a little bit scary. Big gum trees were bending over. The windsock pole snapped! The bad weather lasted 15-20 minutes, then afterwards all was still. Some members ended up looking like bw minstrels from the dust. The trip back to Perth was eventful with powerlines down and trees across roads everywhere. Very fortunate that no-one was hurt or worse. Some take home messages: * BoM had forecast CB for later in the day, regard such a forecast seriously. The RASP and temp trace also indicated that such an event would occur (but not the severity though). * In the morning briefing the likelihood of later storms was covered, and advice given that only doing extended local soaring would be a sensible choice. * Also given that a fire ban with extreme to catastrophic conditions was in place, so again, no paddock retrieves (including trailer retrieves) were possible until the fireban was lifted. * Being outlanded with an approaching thunderstorm is not an attractive proposition, so don't tempt fate, remain within local soaring distance. * Looking back, the storm approached much more rapidly than people realised, if in doubt about an approaching storm, get a/c and people safe sooner rather than later. We packed things away with not much time to spare. * Given the ferocity of the wind, any a/c tied down outside in the open would have easily been blown over, even despite being pugged down (the pegs would have ripped out of the ropes would've broken). If a pilot was sitting in an a/c on the ground attempting to control the a/c in such conditions, serious injury or death would've been a likely result. Other feedback and experiences welcome. ___ Aus-soaring mailing list Aus-soaring@lists.internode.on.net To check or change subscription details, visit: http://lists.internode.on.net/mailman/listinfo/aus-soaring
Re: [Aus-soaring] Forgery and sabotage
For about twenty bucks you can get one of these: http://www.dealextreme.com/details.dx/sku.35827 Just what the up to date car thief needs! Would such a device have helped these plonkers? (Rare Mustang Stolen, GPS tracking helps retrieve it, see: http://www.watoday.com.au/wa-news/grand-theft-auto-robbers-foiled-by-sat ellitepowered-security-system-20110110-19kzw.html) Whatever next? muffler bearings, brass magnets, glass hammers, long weights, ID-10T, bucket of prop wash, shore line, ST-1, K9-P lube, bottom radiator hose for a Volkswagen beetle. ___ Aus-soaring mailing list Aus-soaring@lists.internode.on.net To check or change subscription details, visit: http://lists.internode.on.net/mailman/listinfo/aus-soaring
[Aus-soaring] Pregnant planes
on a similar topic a friend From NZ tells me the pregnant Supercub (widened in back seat for 2 people) cruises faster than normal cub. I have never asked Gavin Wills about this. Not sure why. The area rule? ;-) Applies to transonic aircraft, might get a Supercub going that fast http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Area_rule Just guessing that the widened fuselage may provide a smoother contour and hence less profile drag? Is there a real answer from an aeronautical engineer? Merry Christmas all ___ Aus-soaring mailing list Aus-soaring@lists.internode.on.net To check or change subscription details, visit: http://lists.internode.on.net/mailman/listinfo/aus-soaring
Re: [Aus-soaring] Ridge Flying - Kestrel unknown location explained
Interesting in the Winter 09 wavelength is a picture of a Kestrel at AUGC Lochiel with ridge in background http://www.canberragliding.org/wavelength/Autumn_09.pdf (see page 6, bottom left) Discussion here http://www.canberragliding.org/wavelength/Winter_09.pdf http://www.canberragliding.org/wavelength/Spring_09.pdf Gary Holland wrote: On the Kestrel's photo location, Black Springs did not have a wind sock, as seen behind the port wing tip. Lochiel ( AUGC ) does/did have a wind sock in that location and featured a nice uniform hill to the East of the paddock but was less tree lined that Black springs. Editors response: So the verdict is that the location of the Kestrel remains unknown. Ed. My point: The location is definitely known! Gary Hollands (ex-AUGC) is correct. XX is at AUGC Lochiel at the start of the so-called 'Bute End' of RWY 15. The photograph is looking north-east, with the northern boundary fence windsock in plain sight. The beautiful contour of the Lochiel ridge can be appreciated. The towplane does look suspiciously like Tim Laidler's Cessna. Not sure of the year, possibly early 1991 for the ?Vintage Regatta ?60th Anniversary of Gliding in South Oz at AUGC Regards Michael Texler ___ Aus-soaring mailing list Aus-soaring@lists.internode.on.net To check or change subscription details, visit: http://lists.internode.on.net/mailman/listinfo/aus-soaring
[Aus-soaring] Ridge Flying
Dons a biege hat, The old AUGC site (started up by Emilis) at Lochiel had a reliable resident ridge that ran North South for about 8km. Mostly cleared, 45 deg upslope. Had sheep, kangaroos and occasional AUGC members (with cameras) on it. Was easily reachable by winch. Worked well in a SW to NW breeze (i.e. useful for wintertime flying). Great for training students in upper airwork. Haven't been past there for years, but it is now most probably covered in wind turbines now (Snowtown Stage II: http://www.trustpower.co.nz/index.php?section=162). Season's greetings all Michael ___ Aus-soaring mailing list Aus-soaring@lists.internode.on.net To check or change subscription details, visit: http://lists.internode.on.net/mailman/listinfo/aus-soaring
[Aus-soaring] Psst... Want to buy shares in a horse drawn Zeppelin? (Warning, might be funny...)
Forget working from home to earn big bucks. Forget gliding with all its wing thingies, aerotow, winches, self launches and rubbish. Sick of beige hats and boring old farts who replay IGC files on CU. Impress your friends. Once in a lifetime, your's exclusively offer of no money back guarantee. Shares in HORSE DRAWN ZEPPELIN Absolutely no strings attached (disclaimer, apart from rope attaching horse to Zeppelin, conditions apply). Please provide you name, details, card codes, plus all your money, title deeds. and forward to our friendly Nigerian Office: zeppelins...@scam.nigeria.scam ___ Aus-soaring mailing list Aus-soaring@lists.internode.on.net To check or change subscription details, visit: http://lists.internode.on.net/mailman/listinfo/aus-soaring
Re: [Aus-soaring] Interesting read for on a rainy day.
If you didn't already know what he says in the article your flight training was deficient. In fairness, much of the stuff about artificial horizons and flying blind would not be applicable to a glider pilot flying day VFR here in Oz. Most gliders do not have an artificial horizon or rate of turn indicator. Some are lucky to have a slip and skid ball! The time that glider pilots go seem to go IFR is at wave camps or going to close to cloudbase whilst thermalling, but that tin of worms will remain unopened for now...! The physics of turning an aircraft were certainly taught to me, as were the effects of increased G as the turn steepened. With my power training, as required, I did time under the hood, or with 'foggles' on. I also have done my night VFR, some I have first hand experience of the illusions when flying over unlit ground on a moonless night (the so-called 'leans' where you think you are banked or turning, when in fact you are level). One important take home message that is applicable to glider pilots though, try to avoid looking down (by moving your head) at charts, cockpit gizmos etc. whilst turning (thermalling), you are more likely to become disoriented or feel sick. It is better to glance down by eye movement. Try and keep up and down head movements to a minimum whilst turning. Why? Because nodding the head up and down whilst in turning flight makes the fluid in your balance organs whirl around faster than normal, creating a sense of dizziness. Ways to try this out: Put yourself on a spinning chair and nod your head up and down whilst spinning. Stop chair, then try and walk away. Or in flight (obviously in a two seater with a safety pilot), put the aircraft in a thermalling turn, start nodding your head up and down like you are looking down at a chart, then look outside. Most people don't feel that great. ___ Aus-soaring mailing list Aus-soaring@lists.internode.on.net To check or change subscription details, visit: http://lists.internode.on.net/mailman/listinfo/aus-soaring
Re: [Aus-soaring] There goes the neighbourhood :-)
Yes it is being built by a missionary to spread the word of God. Although if you have an engine failure you might say OMG we are going to crash... Whatever next, a horse drawn zepplin? ___ Aus-soaring mailing list Aus-soaring@lists.internode.on.net To check or change subscription details, visit: http://lists.internode.on.net/mailman/listinfo/aus-soaring
Re: [Aus-soaring] New Website - Can't Find anything !!!
The gfa pages fail validation via wC3. ___ Aus-soaring mailing list Aus-soaring@lists.internode.on.net To check or change subscription details, visit: http://lists.internode.on.net/mailman/listinfo/aus-soaring
[Aus-soaring] Dad and kid sends iPhone and HD camera into space under a weather balloon.
This story is cool if it is real. Film footage is cool. Apparently a Dad made a camera pod attached to a weather balloon for his 7 year old son in Brooklyn NY. An iPhone was used as a GPS tracker so they could find it after the capsule descended. A HD camera was also present. Apparently reached 100,000' before the balloon burst. Whole flight lasted 90 minutes. Only drifted 30 miles to touch down. http://nymag.com/daily/intel/2010/10/brooklyn_dad_and_kid_send_ipho.html I wonder if this had the blessing of the relevant authorities or a NOTAM? ___ Aus-soaring mailing list Aus-soaring@lists.internode.on.net To check or change subscription details, visit: http://lists.internode.on.net/mailman/listinfo/aus-soaring
Re: [Aus-soaring] New Website - Can't Find anything !!!
The gfa pages fail validation via wC3. So do Google, Yahoo, eBay, Facebook, and CASA - so does it really matter? It does matter. I do not like using websites that are broken. The CASA site (which I use often) seems flakey even with IE on an IBM compatible PC. Failing wC3 validation to me is similar to assuming that ASCII text is the only way to pass information, versus being Unicode savvy. People may criticise wC3, but at least it is a standard that all browsers should be able to comply with, and to be able to display a web page predictably, and for it to behave predictably. There seems to be a real problem of feature creep on web pages (i.e. more visual clutter, more moving things, more things to go wrong). It is a though many page designers want to show off how clever they are at the expense of flakey poorly running web pages. It seems many page designers don't have any idea of human factors. Many web pages today are like Where's Wally? Why not keep it simple? ___ Aus-soaring mailing list Aus-soaring@lists.internode.on.net To check or change subscription details, visit: http://lists.internode.on.net/mailman/listinfo/aus-soaring
[Aus-soaring] Harness checks
The pilot was a very experienced paraglider pilot. My brother (a paraglider pilot), who lives in Bright, knew the pilot well, and along with everyone else in the paragliding community is very saddened by what has happened. I also know of other paraglider pilots (also very experienced) who forgot to do up the leg straps, but fortunately managed to land without incident apart from giving themselves a large fright and reality check about the importance of pre-launch checks. This underscores how complacency with checks can be fatal. Sadly it seems that high hour pilots let complacency creep in. One only has to look at the annals of gliding to see that very experienced people are killing themselves. ___ Aus-soaring mailing list Aus-soaring@lists.internode.on.net To check or change subscription details, visit: http://lists.internode.on.net/mailman/listinfo/aus-soaring
Re: [Aus-soaring] Exciting new developements in Gliding Simulator (may contain humour)
Given the past doom and gloom on the list:... *Gliding is dangerous. *Aerotowing is dangerous (especially behind an motorglider) *Winch launching is dangerous. *Gliding isn't very green yet... *Training is poor... *Active membership numbers are falling. *Pilots are getting older. *Pilots are getting heavier (refer recent OD about max weights). *Need to wear beige and a terry towel hat out in public. Might seem that the new sim is the go (good on ya Ian, 'bout time someone gave a gliding motion sim a go!). *Might be safer. *You can crash and not die. *No nasty aerotow or winch. *May have less of a carbon footprint if it ran off a solar charged battery. *You can self teach, hey who needs an instructor... *Don't need to be a member of anything. *No one to young or old. *Just makes sure the seat is strong enough to take the heavier ones. *Can wear beige and a terry towel hat in the safety of your home. I say bring it on!!! Ps. Can it spin? ;-) ___ Aus-soaring mailing list Aus-soaring@lists.internode.on.net To check or change subscription details, visit: http://lists.internode.on.net/mailman/listinfo/aus-soaring
[Aus-soaring] How Big Are The Carbon Foot Prints?
Slightly O.T. but there seems to be a range of opinion on this list. I am not for or against fossil versus alternative. I wish to look at balanced facts without hyperbole, drama and agenda. I am just sick of the spin from both big fuel and green energy. We have solar cells. We have wind turbines. We have electric cars. Now electric gliders. We have fossil fuels too (oil, coal, gas). Green or renewable energy is often touted as having a lower carbon foot print. But is that the local or global carbon foot print. How far does one look? How is this worked out? The minerals and raw materials for solar cells, wind turbines, Li Ion batteries need to be dug out of the ground. How much fossil fuel does that use to get it out of the ground? How much CO2 gets produced by mining the raw materials? How much CO2 gets produced in the manufacturing process? OK we can recycle, but how much energy gets used to do that? (i.e. driving the truck to pick up the old goods, the energy required to reprocess the material etc.). What is the carbon foot print of making a modern composite glider (considering that much of the material is petrochemical derived)? Having an elctric car is all well and good, but it needs to be plugged in to charge it up (and the electricity comes from a fossil fuel power stations). Wind turbines have a finite lifespan and need to be replaced. they are made from composite materials. So what is the carbon footprint of manufacturing the plastic to make them, the energy used to replace the turbine etc. I think it is great that alternative energy is being looked at. Is it better for the planet in the short term or long term. Is it locally 'carbon friendly' but creates a big carbon footprint elsewhere? (i.e. it is all well and good to have an eco friendly energy source, but bad if the manufacturing process digs up forests, produces toxins and belches out CO2 etc.). When all is taken into consideration, are newer 'Greener' energy sources actually any better than burning fossil fuel? Increasingly we are being asked to consider alternative energy, I wish to make informed choices. If people want to reply off list, that is fine by me. Where does one get a balanced and factual view? ___ Aus-soaring mailing list Aus-soaring@lists.internode.on.net To check or change subscription details, visit: http://lists.internode.on.net/mailman/listinfo/aus-soaring
Re: [Aus-soaring] Felt for Tail Dolly?
I felt that one coming ;-) Which reminds me of a rather famous quote from one night at the Adelaide Uni GC shed at West Beach: Redmond, where do you go to get felt? ___ Aus-soaring mailing list Aus-soaring@lists.internode.on.net To check or change subscription details, visit: http://lists.internode.on.net/mailman/listinfo/aus-soaring
