RE: [AZORES-Genealogy] RAMALHO
Thank you Richard. I will look at the original. De: azores@googlegroups.com [mailto:azores@googlegroups.com] Em nome de Richard Francis Pimentel Enviada: sábado, 22 de Março de 2014 22:44 Para: azores@googlegroups.com Assunto: RE: [AZORES-Genealogy] RAMALHO It is baptisms 1842-1847 in Santissimo Salvador, Ribeirinha. Rick Richard Francis Pimentel Spring, TX From: azores@googlegroups.com mailto:azores@googlegroups.com [mailto:azores@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Eliseu Pacheco da Silva Sent: Saturday, March 22, 2014 6:01 PM To: azores@googlegroups.com Subject: RE: [AZORES-Genealogy] RAMALHO Hi Richard, Thank you! Is this a registry from Matriz? It is very hard to read. Would you let me know the Freguesia and the date of it? I have some Photos but I can not find that one... Thank you again! Eliseu Pacheco da Silva Researching Açores (São Miguel and Graciosa) and Alentejo ( http://gw.geneanet.org/eliseumanuel ) -- For options, such as changing to List, Digest, Abridged, or No Mail (vacation) mode, log into your Google account and visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/Azores. Click in the blue area on the right that says Join this group and it will take you to Edit my membership. --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups Azores Genealogy group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to azores+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com mailto:azores+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com . Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/azores. -- For options, such as changing to List, Digest, Abridged, or No Mail (vacation) mode, log into your Google account and visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/Azores. Click in the blue area on the right that says Join this group and it will take you to Edit my membership. --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups Azores Genealogy group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to azores+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com mailto:azores+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com . Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/azores. -- For options, such as changing to List, Digest, Abridged, or No Mail (vacation) mode, log into your Google account and visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/Azores. Click in the blue area on the right that says Join this group and it will take you to Edit my membership. --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups Azores Genealogy group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to azores+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/azores.
Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Joam da Costa (Might be his birth record -- can't really read it) Help!
I am looking for this marriage, JR. Do you have the link to the record? Are you sure it's not for Matias and Josefa de Canto? Those are not my ancestors. On Mar 22, 2014, at 9:06 PM, JR jmro...@gmail.com wrote: Are you looking for the marriage of Mateus and Josefa? If so, according to my records they married circa 1750, in either Ponta Garca or VFSM. I have three children listed for this couple living in Ponta Garca. JR On Saturday, March 22, 2014 3:47:21 PM UTC-4, Joseph Costa wrote: In addition to not being able to find Joam's birth record, I'm having great difficulty locating the marriage record of Matheus da Costa and Josefa da Pacheca. Josefa was born in 1714 at Matriz: http://culturacores.azores.gov.pt/biblioteca_digital/SMG-VF-SAOMIGUEL-B-1710-1718/SMG-VF-SAOMIGUEL-B-1710-1718_item1/P70.html Here is her death record from 1788: http://culturacores.azores.gov.pt/biblioteca_digital/SMG-VF-SAOMIGUEL-O-1780-1806/SMG-VF-SAOMIGUEL-O-1780-1806_item1/P84.html On Mar 22, 2014, at 3:41 PM, Joseph Costa jwcos...@gmail.com wrote: SInce I posted this, I have done further research. My ancestor is definitely Matheus da Costa and his wife was definitely Jozefa de Pacheca. Here is Matheus birth record from Sep 16, 1705 at Ponta Garca: http://culturacores.azores.gov.pt/biblioteca_digital/SMG-VF-PONTAGARCA-B-1703-1720/SMG-VF-PONTAGARCA-B-1703-1720_item1/P29.html Here is his death record from Matriz in 1773: http://culturacores.azores.gov.pt/biblioteca_digital/SMG-VF-SAOMIGUEL-O-1749-1780/SMG-VF-SAOMIGUEL-O-1749-1780_item1/P152.html Also, here is the birth record of his son Andre (Joam's brother) in 1753: http://culturacores.azores.gov.pt/biblioteca_digital/SMG-VF-SAOMIGUEL-B-1751-1758/SMG-VF-SAOMIGUEL-B-1751-1758_item1/P72.html On Mar 22, 2014, at 3:07 PM, pi...@dholmes.com wrote: Joseph, How about the fact the baptism is for a child of Matias and the mother is not listed with Pacheco/a? I have sometimes seen a father listed as Mathias one time and Matheus another time. So if your ancestor was Mateus, you can't 100% rule out you could find him as Matias, but it will depend on further research. Do you think this is simply the wrong ancestors and not a sibling of your Joao da Costa? I assume you know Joam and Joao are the same name. Doug da Rocha Holmes Sacramento, California Pico Terceira Genealogist 916-550-1618 www.dholmes.com Original Message Subject: Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Joam da Costa (Might be his birth record -- can't really read it) Help! From: Joseph Costa jwcos...@gmail.com Date: Sat, March 22, 2014 10:16 am To: azo...@googlegroups.com Thank you Doug. I do see what you mean, and I now think that this does say Niculao, which means that this is not my ancestor. Still can't find my Joam. On Thursday, March 20, 2014 2:45:13 PM UTC-4, Joseph Costa wrote: I think I may have found my 4th great grandfather's, Joam da Costa's, birth record, but I'm not sure. Per my previous post, he is the son of Matheus da Costa and Jozefa Pacheco (also appears as Pachequa or Pacheca). Can anyone read this. In the link below, it's on the right-hand page in the lower right corner. Looks like this is from Sept 1751? I need help verifying that these are in fact the names of the parents on this record. What about grandparents' names? Anyone see those? http://culturacores.azores.gov.pt/biblioteca_digital/SMG-VF-SAOMIGUEL-B-1751-1758/SMG-VF-SAOMIGUEL-B-1751-1758_item1/P23.html -- For options, such as changing to List, Digest, Abridged, or No Mail (vacation) mode, log into your Google account and visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/Azores. Click in the blue area on the right that says Join this group and it will take you to Edit my membership. --- You received this message because you are subscribed to a topic in the Google Groups Azores Genealogy group. To unsubscribe from this topic, visit https://groups.google.com/d/topic/azores/xqzNkH3jpaM/unsubscribe. To unsubscribe from this group and all its topics, send an email to azores+un...@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/azores. -- For options, such as changing to List, Digest, Abridged, or No Mail (vacation) mode, log into your Google account and visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/Azores. Click in the blue area on the right that says Join this group and it will take you to Edit my membership. --- You received this message because you are subscribed to a topic in the Google Groups Azores Genealogy group. To unsubscribe from this topic, visithttps://groups.google.com/d/topic/azores/xqzNkH3jpaM/unsubscribe. To unsubscribe from this group and all its topics, send an email
Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Joam da Costa (Might be his birth record -- can't really read it) Help!
Here is the marriage record from May 1701 of Matheus' parents, Antonio da Costa and Barbara da Costa: http://culturacores.azores.gov.pt/biblioteca_digital/SMG-VF-PONTAGARCA-C-1675-1749/SMG-VF-PONTAGARCA-C-1675-1749_item1/P41.html I got their names from Matheus' birth record in 1705, which I posted previously. On Mar 22, 2014, at 9:24 PM, JR jmro...@gmail.com wrote: Maybe I missed something, but how did you determine the parents of Mateus da Costa? Do you have the marriage and notice of the parents? JR On Saturday, March 22, 2014 9:06:59 PM UTC-4, JR wrote: Are you looking for the marriage of Mateus and Josefa? If so, according to my records they married circa 1750, in either Ponta Garca or VFSM. I have three children listed for this couple living in Ponta Garca. JR On Saturday, March 22, 2014 3:47:21 PM UTC-4, Joseph Costa wrote: In addition to not being able to find Joam's birth record, I'm having great difficulty locating the marriage record of Matheus da Costa and Josefa da Pacheca. Josefa was born in 1714 at Matriz: http://culturacores.azores.gov.pt/biblioteca_digital/SMG-VF-SAOMIGUEL-B-1710-1718/SMG-VF-SAOMIGUEL-B-1710-1718_item1/P70.html Here is her death record from 1788: http://culturacores.azores.gov.pt/biblioteca_digital/SMG-VF-SAOMIGUEL-O-1780-1806/SMG-VF-SAOMIGUEL-O-1780-1806_item1/P84.html On Mar 22, 2014, at 3:41 PM, Joseph Costa jwcos...@gmail.com wrote: SInce I posted this, I have done further research. My ancestor is definitely Matheus da Costa and his wife was definitely Jozefa de Pacheca. Here is Matheus birth record from Sep 16, 1705 at Ponta Garca: http://culturacores.azores.gov.pt/biblioteca_digital/SMG-VF-PONTAGARCA-B-1703-1720/SMG-VF-PONTAGARCA-B-1703-1720_item1/P29.html Here is his death record from Matriz in 1773: http://culturacores.azores.gov.pt/biblioteca_digital/SMG-VF-SAOMIGUEL-O-1749-1780/SMG-VF-SAOMIGUEL-O-1749-1780_item1/P152.html Also, here is the birth record of his son Andre (Joam's brother) in 1753: http://culturacores.azores.gov.pt/biblioteca_digital/SMG-VF-SAOMIGUEL-B-1751-1758/SMG-VF-SAOMIGUEL-B-1751-1758_item1/P72.html On Mar 22, 2014, at 3:07 PM, pi...@dholmes.com wrote: Joseph, How about the fact the baptism is for a child of Matias and the mother is not listed with Pacheco/a? I have sometimes seen a father listed as Mathias one time and Matheus another time. So if your ancestor was Mateus, you can't 100% rule out you could find him as Matias, but it will depend on further research. Do you think this is simply the wrong ancestors and not a sibling of your Joao da Costa? I assume you know Joam and Joao are the same name. Doug da Rocha Holmes Sacramento, California Pico Terceira Genealogist 916-550-1618 www.dholmes.com Original Message Subject: Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Joam da Costa (Might be his birth record -- can't really read it) Help! From: Joseph Costa jwcos...@gmail.com Date: Sat, March 22, 2014 10:16 am To: azo...@googlegroups.com Thank you Doug. I do see what you mean, and I now think that this does say Niculao, which means that this is not my ancestor. Still can't find my Joam. On Thursday, March 20, 2014 2:45:13 PM UTC-4, Joseph Costa wrote: I think I may have found my 4th great grandfather's, Joam da Costa's, birth record, but I'm not sure. Per my previous post, he is the son of Matheus da Costa and Jozefa Pacheco (also appears as Pachequa or Pacheca). Can anyone read this. In the link below, it's on the right-hand page in the lower right corner. Looks like this is from Sept 1751? I need help verifying that these are in fact the names of the parents on this record. What about grandparents' names? Anyone see those? http://culturacores.azores.gov.pt/biblioteca_digital/SMG-VF-SAOMIGUEL-B-1751-1758/SMG-VF-SAOMIGUEL-B-1751-1758_item1/P23.html -- For options, such as changing to List, Digest, Abridged, or No Mail (vacation) mode, log into your Google account and visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/Azores. Click in the blue area on the right that says Join this group and it will take you to Edit my membership. --- You received this message because you are subscribed to a topic in the Google Groups Azores Genealogy group. To unsubscribe from this topic, visit https://groups.google.com/d/topic/azores/xqzNkH3jpaM/unsubscribe. To unsubscribe from this group and all its topics, send an email to azores+un...@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/azores. -- For options, such as changing to List, Digest, Abridged, or No Mail (vacation) mode, log into your Google account and visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/Azores. Click in the blue area on the right that says
[AZORES-Genealogy] Brazil, Civil Registration, 1870-2012
Hello 'E', If you can see the Civil Registrations of nottary's office in the Caicó city, State of the Rio Grande do Norte. I am looking my great great grandmother's mother. I know the date of birth of my great grandmother. Her name was Josefa Gomes de Oliveira, born in March 19th, 1886. Her parents were José Gomes de Oliveira and Maria Magdalena do Rosário. I need to find the mother of Maria Magdalena do Rosário. Thanks. Ubirajara Jales de Lira. -- For options, such as changing to List, Digest, Abridged, or No Mail (vacation) mode, log into your Google account and visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/Azores. Click in the blue area on the right that says Join this group and it will take you to Edit my membership. --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups Azores Genealogy group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to azores+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/azores.
RE: [AZORES-Genealogy] Joam da Costa (Might be his birth record -- can't really read it) Help!
But Joseph, how did you learn the parents of Mateus da Costa without first finding his marriage record?Doug da Rocha HolmesSacramento, CaliforniaPico Terceira Genealogist916-550-1618www.dholmes.com Original Message Subject: Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Joam da Costa (Might be his birth record -- can't really read it) Help! From: Joseph Costa jwcosta0...@gmail.com Date: Sat, March 22, 2014 8:09 pm To: azores@googlegroups.com Here is the marriage record from May 1701 of Matheus' parents, Antonio da Costa and Barbara da Costa: http://culturacores.azores.gov.pt/biblioteca_digital/SMG-VF-PONTAGARCA-C-1675-1749/SMG-VF-PONTAGARCA-C-1675-1749_item1/P41.html I got their names from Matheus' birth record in 1705, which I posted previously. On Mar 22, 2014, at 9:24 PM, JR jmro...@gmail.com wrote: Maybe I missed something, but how did you determine the parents of Mateus da Costa? Do you have the marriage and notice of the parents? JR On Saturday, March 22, 2014 9:06:59 PM UTC-4, JR wrote: Are you looking for the marriage of Mateus and Josefa? If so, according to my records they married circa 1750, in either Ponta Garca or VFSM. I have three children listed for this couple living in Ponta Garca. JR -- For options, such as changing to List, Digest, Abridged, or No Mail (vacation) mode, log into your Google account and visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/Azores. Click in the blue area on the right that says Join this group and it will take you to Edit my membership. --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups Azores Genealogy group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to azores+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/azores.
Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Brazil, Civil Registration, 1870-2012
I believe they are still in the process of putting these records on and thus far I have not found the one you are researching. If you will remind me again in a couple of weeks, I will be happy to check again. E On Sat, Mar 22, 2014 at 5:30 PM, Ubirajara Jales de Lira ubja...@gmail.comwrote: Hello 'E', If you can see the Civil Registrations of nottary's office in the Caicó city, State of the Rio Grande do Norte. I am looking my great great grandmother's mother. I know the date of birth of my great grandmother. Her name was Josefa Gomes de Oliveira, born in March 19th, 1886. Her parents were José Gomes de Oliveira and Maria Magdalena do Rosário. I need to find the mother of Maria Magdalena do Rosário. Thanks. Ubirajara Jales de Lira. -- For options, such as changing to List, Digest, Abridged, or No Mail (vacation) mode, log into your Google account and visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/Azores. Click in the blue area on the right that says Join this group and it will take you to Edit my membership. --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups Azores Genealogy group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to azores+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/azores. -- For options, such as changing to List, Digest, Abridged, or No Mail (vacation) mode, log into your Google account and visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/Azores. Click in the blue area on the right that says Join this group and it will take you to Edit my membership. --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups Azores Genealogy group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to azores+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/azores.
Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Joam da Costa (Might be his birth record -- can't really read it) Help!
I am getting confused. No doubt, this is Matheus son of someone named Costa. However there are others, not to mention that Mateus may fetch his name from a grandparent with the name Costa. Do I have this right, is your Mateus and Josefa married circa 1750? If so, this Matheus of 1705 is not likely your ancestor. There are about four to six marriages missing in Ponta Garca, all circa 1745-1751, more or less. There is no doubt they are missing because other records specify that these people were married in PG. They include mine and some of Cheri Melo and Shirley A. I think your missing ancestors *may* be among the missing marriages. On the other hand, I reread the baptism of Andre and notice that Josefa is native of VFSM, so that makes it likely they married in her vila of VFSM. By the way, Canto is name that is hard to come by. There are only a few that I know of. Most turn out to be Couto. This is what I have. There may be some errors, as they were very difficult to read with a small reader at the LDS. But they can be easily fixed now. Here are children of said couple: *Descendants of Matheus da Costa* *Generation No. 1* *1.* MATHEUS DA1 COSTA was born Abt. 1725 in Ponta Garca- NS da Piedade, and died Bef. 21 May 1777. He married JOSEFA PACHECO Abt. 1750. She was born Abt. 1725 in Ponta Garca- NS da Piedade. More About JOSEFA PACHECO: Date born 2: Abt. 1725, Vila Franca, Matriz Children of MATHEUS COSTA and JOSEFA PACHECO are: i.ANTONIA FRANCISCA DOS ANJOS2, b. Ponta Garca- NS da Piedade; m. ANDRE DA CAMARA PACHECO, 22 May 1777, Ponta Garca- NS da Piedade; b. Ponta Garca- NS da Piedade; d. Ponta Garca- NS da Piedade. ii.ANTONIO DA COSTA DE ARAUJO, b. Ponta Garca- NS da Piedade; m. MARGARIDA FRANCISCA, 20 Jun 1779, Vila Franca do Campo- Matriz; b. Vila Franca do Campo- Matriz. iii.JACINTA DO ESPIRITO SANTO, b. Vila Franca, Matriz; m. JOSE PACHECO CAMILHO, 21 Mar 1776, Vila Franca, Matriz; b. 25 Mar 1738, Ponta Garca- NS da Piedade; d. Ponta Garca- NS da Piedade. More About JOSE PACHECO CAMILHO: Baptised: 01 Apr 1738, Ponta Garca- NS da Piedade On Saturday, March 22, 2014 11:09:36 PM UTC-4, Joseph Costa wrote: Here is the marriage record from May 1701 of Matheus' parents, Antonio da Costa and Barbara da Costa: http://culturacores.azores.gov.pt/biblioteca_digital/SMG-VF-PONTAGARCA-C-1675-1749/SMG-VF-PONTAGARCA-C-1675-1749_item1/P41.html I got their names from Matheus' birth record in 1705, which I posted previously. On Mar 22, 2014, at 9:24 PM, JR jmr...@gmail.com javascript: wrote: Maybe I missed something, but how did you determine the parents of Mateus da Costa? Do you have the marriage and notice of the parents? JR On Saturday, March 22, 2014 9:06:59 PM UTC-4, JR wrote: Are you looking for the marriage of Mateus and Josefa? If so, according to my records they married circa 1750, in either Ponta Garca or VFSM. I have three children listed for this couple living in Ponta Garca. JR On Saturday, March 22, 2014 3:47:21 PM UTC-4, Joseph Costa wrote: In addition to not being able to find Joam's birth record, I'm having great difficulty locating the marriage record of Matheus da Costa and Josefa da Pacheca. Josefa was born in 1714 at Matriz: http://culturacores.azores.gov.pt/biblioteca_digital/SMG-VF-SAOMIGUEL-B-1710-1718/SMG-VF-SAOMIGUEL-B-1710-1718_item1/P70.html Here is her death record from 1788: http://culturacores.azores.gov.pt/biblioteca_digital/SMG-VF-SAOMIGUEL-O-1780-1806/SMG-VF-SAOMIGUEL-O-1780-1806_item1/P84.html On Mar 22, 2014, at 3:41 PM, Joseph Costa jwcos...@gmail.com wrote: SInce I posted this, I have done further research. My ancestor is definitely Matheus da Costa and his wife was definitely Jozefa de Pacheca. Here is Matheus birth record from Sep 16, 1705 at Ponta Garca: http://culturacores.azores.gov.pt/biblioteca_digital/SMG-VF-PONTAGARCA-B-1703-1720/SMG-VF-PONTAGARCA-B-1703-1720_item1/P29.html Here is his death record from Matriz in 1773: http://culturacores.azores.gov.pt/biblioteca_digital/SMG-VF-SAOMIGUEL-O-1749-1780/SMG-VF-SAOMIGUEL-O-1749-1780_item1/P152.html Also, here is the birth record of his son Andre (Joam's brother) in 1753: http://culturacores.azores.gov.pt/biblioteca_digital/SMG-VF-SAOMIGUEL-B-1751-1758/SMG-VF-SAOMIGUEL-B-1751-1758_item1/P72.html On Mar 22, 2014, at 3:07 PM, pi...@dholmes.com wrote: Joseph, How about the fact the baptism is for a child of Matias and the mother is not listed with Pacheco/a? I have sometimes seen a father listed as Mathias one time and Matheus another time. So if your ancestor was Mateus, you can't 100% rule out you could find him as Matias, but it will depend on further research.
Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Joam da Costa (Might be his birth record -- can't really read it) Help!
Hi Joseph and JR, I am a direct descendent of Antonio Jacome Raposo and Maria Pacheco Moniz through their daughter Antonia Francisca. JR you helped me with this line. Thank you. This is to say that I have Josefa on my tree and I have her marriage record. She married Matheus in 1736, same year of my ancestor Antonia Francisca.. Both the bride and groom are using different surnames. He, Correia and she Rezendes. It is very bad to read but you will be able to see clearly Josefa Francisca NOTE the surname used is de Rezende fa de Antonio Jacome Raposo. Here's the link: http://culturacores.azores.gov.pt/biblioteca_digital/SMG-VF-PONTAGARCA-C-1675-1749/SMG-VF-PONTAGARCA-C-1675-1749_item1/P138.html Cheers, Margaret On Sun, Mar 23, 2014 at 12:46 PM, JR jmro...@gmail.com wrote: I am getting confused. No doubt, this is Matheus son of someone named Costa. However there are others, not to mention that Mateus may fetch his name from a grandparent with the name Costa. Do I have this right, is your Mateus and Josefa married circa 1750? If so, this Matheus of 1705 is not likely your ancestor. There are about four to six marriages missing in Ponta Garca, all circa 1745-1751, more or less. There is no doubt they are missing because other records specify that these people were married in PG. They include mine and some of Cheri Melo and Shirley A. I think your missing ancestors *may* be among the missing marriages. On the other hand, I reread the baptism of Andre and notice that Josefa is native of VFSM, so that makes it likely they married in her vila of VFSM. By the way, Canto is name that is hard to come by. There are only a few that I know of. Most turn out to be Couto. This is what I have. There may be some errors, as they were very difficult to read with a small reader at the LDS. But they can be easily fixed now. Here are children of said couple: *Descendants of Matheus da Costa* *Generation No. 1* *1.* MATHEUS DA1 COSTA was born Abt. 1725 in Ponta Garca- NS da Piedade, and died Bef. 21 May 1777. He married JOSEFA PACHECO Abt. 1750. She was born Abt. 1725 in Ponta Garca- NS da Piedade. More About JOSEFA PACHECO: Date born 2: Abt. 1725, Vila Franca, Matriz Children of MATHEUS COSTA and JOSEFA PACHECO are: i.ANTONIA FRANCISCA DOS ANJOS2, b. Ponta Garca- NS da Piedade; m. ANDRE DA CAMARA PACHECO, 22 May 1777, Ponta Garca- NS da Piedade; b. Ponta Garca- NS da Piedade; d. Ponta Garca- NS da Piedade. ii.ANTONIO DA COSTA DE ARAUJO, b. Ponta Garca- NS da Piedade; m. MARGARIDA FRANCISCA, 20 Jun 1779, Vila Franca do Campo- Matriz; b. Vila Franca do Campo- Matriz. iii.JACINTA DO ESPIRITO SANTO, b. Vila Franca, Matriz; m. JOSE PACHECO CAMILHO, 21 Mar 1776, Vila Franca, Matriz; b. 25 Mar 1738, Ponta Garca- NS da Piedade; d. Ponta Garca- NS da Piedade. More About JOSE PACHECO CAMILHO: Baptised: 01 Apr 1738, Ponta Garca- NS da Piedade On Saturday, March 22, 2014 11:09:36 PM UTC-4, Joseph Costa wrote: Here is the marriage record from May 1701 of Matheus' parents, Antonio da Costa and Barbara da Costa: http://culturacores.azores. gov.pt/biblioteca_digital/SMG-VF-PONTAGARCA-C-1675-1749/SMG- VF-PONTAGARCA-C-1675-1749_item1/P41.html I got their names from Matheus' birth record in 1705, which I posted previously. On Mar 22, 2014, at 9:24 PM, JR jmr...@gmail.com wrote: Maybe I missed something, but how did you determine the parents of Mateus da Costa? Do you have the marriage and notice of the parents? JR On Saturday, March 22, 2014 9:06:59 PM UTC-4, JR wrote: Are you looking for the marriage of Mateus and Josefa? If so, according to my records they married circa 1750, in either Ponta Garca or VFSM. I have three children listed for this couple living in Ponta Garca. JR On Saturday, March 22, 2014 3:47:21 PM UTC-4, Joseph Costa wrote: In addition to not being able to find Joam's birth record, I'm having great difficulty locating the marriage record of Matheus da Costa and Josefa da Pacheca. Josefa was born in 1714 at Matriz: http://culturacores.azores. gov.pt/biblioteca_digital/SMG-VF-SAOMIGUEL-B-1710-1718/SMG- VF-SAOMIGUEL-B-1710-1718_item1/P70.html Here is her death record from 1788: http://culturacores.azores.gov.pt/biblioteca_digital/SMG- VF-SAOMIGUEL-O-1780-1806/SMG-VF-SAOMIGUEL-O-1780-1806_item1/P84.html On Mar 22, 2014, at 3:41 PM, Joseph Costa jwcos...@gmail.com wrote: SInce I posted this, I have done further research. My ancestor is definitely Matheus da Costa and his wife was definitely Jozefa de Pacheca. Here is Matheus birth record from Sep 16, 1705 at Ponta Garca: http://culturacores.azores.gov.pt/biblioteca_digital/SMG- VF-PONTAGARCA-B-1703-1720/SMG-VF-PONTAGARCA-B-1703-1720_item1/P29.html Here is his death record from Matriz in 1773:
Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Joam da Costa (Might be his birth record -- can't really read it) Help!
Thanks Margaret!!! I will see if can link these families to my database. As you said, it is clearly on the margin, Matheus Correa com Josepha Fsca de Rezende. It bothered me that they did not appear to marry around 20-30 years old, so they can have children. But as I said, I was quite confused! JR On Sunday, March 23, 2014 1:19:07 PM UTC-4, Mara wrote: Hi Joseph and JR, I am a direct descendent of Antonio Jacome Raposo and Maria Pacheco Moniz through their daughter Antonia Francisca. JR you helped me with this line. Thank you. This is to say that I have Josefa on my tree and I have her marriage record. She married Matheus in 1736, same year of my ancestor Antonia Francisca.. Both the bride and groom are using different surnames. He, Correia and she Rezendes. It is very bad to read but you will be able to see clearly Josefa Francisca NOTE the surname used is de Rezende fa de Antonio Jacome Raposo. Here's the link: http://culturacores.azores.gov.pt/biblioteca_digital/SMG-VF-PONTAGARCA-C-1675-1749/SMG-VF-PONTAGARCA-C-1675-1749_item1/P138.html Cheers, Margaret On Sun, Mar 23, 2014 at 12:46 PM, JR jmr...@gmail.com javascript:wrote: I am getting confused. No doubt, this is Matheus son of someone named Costa. However there are others, not to mention that Mateus may fetch his name from a grandparent with the name Costa. Do I have this right, is your Mateus and Josefa married circa 1750? If so, this Matheus of 1705 is not likely your ancestor. There are about four to six marriages missing in Ponta Garca, all circa 1745-1751, more or less. There is no doubt they are missing because other records specify that these people were married in PG. They include mine and some of Cheri Melo and Shirley A. I think your missing ancestors *may* be among the missing marriages. On the other hand, I reread the baptism of Andre and notice that Josefa is native of VFSM, so that makes it likely they married in her vila of VFSM. By the way, Canto is name that is hard to come by. There are only a few that I know of. Most turn out to be Couto. This is what I have. There may be some errors, as they were very difficult to read with a small reader at the LDS. But they can be easily fixed now. Here are children of said couple: *Descendants of Matheus da Costa* *Generation No. 1* *1.* MATHEUS DA1 COSTA was born Abt. 1725 in Ponta Garca- NS da Piedade, and died Bef. 21 May 1777. He married JOSEFA PACHECO Abt. 1750. She was born Abt. 1725 in Ponta Garca- NS da Piedade. More About JOSEFA PACHECO: Date born 2: Abt. 1725, Vila Franca, Matriz Children of MATHEUS COSTA and JOSEFA PACHECO are: i.ANTONIA FRANCISCA DOS ANJOS2, b. Ponta Garca- NS da Piedade; m. ANDRE DA CAMARA PACHECO, 22 May 1777, Ponta Garca- NS da Piedade; b. Ponta Garca- NS da Piedade; d. Ponta Garca- NS da Piedade. ii.ANTONIO DA COSTA DE ARAUJO, b. Ponta Garca- NS da Piedade; m. MARGARIDA FRANCISCA, 20 Jun 1779, Vila Franca do Campo- Matriz; b. Vila Franca do Campo- Matriz. iii.JACINTA DO ESPIRITO SANTO, b. Vila Franca, Matriz; m. JOSE PACHECO CAMILHO, 21 Mar 1776, Vila Franca, Matriz; b. 25 Mar 1738, Ponta Garca- NS da Piedade; d. Ponta Garca- NS da Piedade. More About JOSE PACHECO CAMILHO: Baptised: 01 Apr 1738, Ponta Garca- NS da Piedade On Saturday, March 22, 2014 11:09:36 PM UTC-4, Joseph Costa wrote: Here is the marriage record from May 1701 of Matheus' parents, Antonio da Costa and Barbara da Costa: http://culturacores.azores. gov.pt/biblioteca_digital/SMG-VF-PONTAGARCA-C-1675-1749/SMG- VF-PONTAGARCA-C-1675-1749_item1/P41.html I got their names from Matheus' birth record in 1705, which I posted previously. On Mar 22, 2014, at 9:24 PM, JR jmr...@gmail.com wrote: Maybe I missed something, but how did you determine the parents of Mateus da Costa? Do you have the marriage and notice of the parents? JR On Saturday, March 22, 2014 9:06:59 PM UTC-4, JR wrote: Are you looking for the marriage of Mateus and Josefa? If so, according to my records they married circa 1750, in either Ponta Garca or VFSM. I have three children listed for this couple living in Ponta Garca. JR On Saturday, March 22, 2014 3:47:21 PM UTC-4, Joseph Costa wrote: In addition to not being able to find Joam's birth record, I'm having great difficulty locating the marriage record of Matheus da Costa and Josefa da Pacheca. Josefa was born in 1714 at Matriz: http://culturacores.azores. gov.pt/biblioteca_digital/SMG-VF-SAOMIGUEL-B-1710-1718/SMG- VF-SAOMIGUEL-B-1710-1718_item1/P70.html Here is her death record from 1788: http://culturacores.azores.gov.pt/biblioteca_digital/SMG- VF-SAOMIGUEL-O-1780-1806/SMG-VF-SAOMIGUEL-O-1780-1806_item1/P84.html On Mar 22, 2014, at 3:41 PM, Joseph Costa
[AZORES-Genealogy] Azores Ports of Departure
Hello, This brings up a question. I looked but did not locate the following information in relation to the ships leaving the Azores for the United States. What port would you depart from if you were immigrating from Terceira? Sao Jorge? Pico? That way I can figure out if I can find my people in the Passaportes book on the CCA site. Thanks! Lisa Caetano Harley Southern Cal looking forward to meeting those attending the Conference next month. Antonio Roque roqueantonioro...@gmail.com Mar 15 12:51PM -0700 Is there a place to look for the ships that left S. Miguel in 1915 and where they were destined to? -- For options, such as changing to List, Digest, Abridged, or No Mail (vacation) mode, log into your Google account and visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/Azores. Click in the blue area on the right that says Join this group and it will take you to Edit my membership. --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups Azores Genealogy group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to azores+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/azores.
Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Azores Ports of Departure
Lisa, Terceira and Sao Jorge should leave from Angra and Pico from Horta. However, there is always the exception to every rule! My friend, Arline Silveira said that she found many from Sao Jorge in the Horta passporte books when she was in Horta searching for her people. So, when and if they ever get put on to the CCA Site we shall see! Rosemarie From: lisahb...@aol.com Sent: Sunday, March 23, 2014 2:21 PM To: azores@googlegroups.com Subject: [AZORES-Genealogy] Azores Ports of Departure Hello, This brings up a question. I looked but did not locate the following information in relation to the ships leaving the Azores for the United States. What port would you depart from if you were immigrating from Terceira? Sao Jorge? Pico? That way I can figure out if I can find my people in the Passaportes book on the CCA site. Thanks! Lisa Caetano Harley Southern Cal looking forward to meeting those attending the Conference next month. Antonio Roque roqueantonioro...@gmail.com Mar 15 12:51PM -0700 Is there a place to look for the ships that left S. Miguel in 1915 and where they were destined to? -- For options, such as changing to List, Digest, Abridged, or No Mail (vacation) mode, log into your Google account and visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/Azores. Click in the blue area on the right that says Join this group and it will take you to Edit my membership. --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups Azores Genealogy group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to azores+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/azores. -- For options, such as changing to List, Digest, Abridged, or No Mail (vacation) mode, log into your Google account and visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/Azores. Click in the blue area on the right that says Join this group and it will take you to Edit my membership. --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups Azores Genealogy group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to azores+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/azores.
Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Brazil, Civil Registration, 1870-2012
Hi I seen this posting is there a link to this site and what would they have, Can someone email me personally @ _bobcamscpw@aol.com_ (mailto:bobcams...@aol.com) Thank you Bob Camacho Researching the Island of Terceira for da Costa, Evangelho, Pacheco, Ferriera Researching the Island of Graciousa for Reis Researching the Island of Madeira for Camacho Researching Brazil for Evangelho In a message dated 3/23/2014 9:40:09 A.M. Pacific Daylight Time, bellema...@gmail.com writes: I believe they are still in the process of putting these records on and thus far I have not found the one you are researching. If you will remind me again in a couple of weeks, I will be happy to check again. E On Sat, Mar 22, 2014 at 5:30 PM, Ubirajara Jales de Lira _ubjales@gmail.com_ (mailto:ubja...@gmail.com) wrote: Hello 'E', If you can see the Civil Registrations of nottary's office in the Caicó city, State of the Rio Grande do Norte. I am looking my great great grandmother's mother. I know the date of birth of my great grandmother. Her name was Josefa Gomes de Oliveira, born in March 19th, 1886. Her parents were José Gomes de Oliveira and Maria Magdalena do Rosário. I need to find the mother of Maria Magdalena do Rosário. Thanks. Ubirajara Jales de Lira. -- For options, such as changing to List, Digest, Abridged, or No Mail (vacation) mode, log into your Google account and visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/Azores. Click in the blue area on the right that says Join this group and it will take you to Edit my membership. --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups Azores Genealogy group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to _azores+unsubscribe@googlegroups.com_ (mailto:azores+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com) . Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/azores. -- For options, such as changing to List, Digest, Abridged, or No Mail (vacation) mode, log into your Google account and visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/Azores. Click in the blue area on the right that says Join this group and it will take you to Edit my membership. --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups Azores Genealogy group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to _azores+unsubscribe@googlegroups.com_ (mailto:azores+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com) . Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/azores. -- For options, such as changing to List, Digest, Abridged, or No Mail (vacation) mode, log into your Google account and visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/Azores. Click in the blue area on the right that says Join this group and it will take you to Edit my membership. --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups Azores Genealogy group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to azores+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/azores.
[AZORES-Genealogy] Re: Brazil, Civil Registration, 1870-2012
Ubirajara, Caicó, in Rio Grande do Norte state, is online on Family Search website, the link for this city is below. Only SantAnna parish is online but probably is the one your grandmother is from, as Caicó is not a big place, especially in the XIX century. https://familysearch.org/pal:/MM9.3.1/TH-1-17231-9688-22?cc=2177294wc=M78D-2M3:371343201,371343202,371434201#uri=https%3A%2F%2Ffamilysearch.org%2Frecapi%2Fsord%2Fcollection%2F2177294%2Fwaypoints You may have to search one year back and one year after her birthday as most of the times the baptism occurs several days or even months after the birth of the child. Isabella Baltar myportuguesegen.blogspot.com On Saturday, March 22, 2014 8:30:37 PM UTC-4, Ubirajara Jales de Lira wrote: Hello 'E', If you can see the Civil Registrations of nottary's office in the Caicó city, State of the Rio Grande do Norte. I am looking my great great grandmother's mother. I know the date of birth of my great grandmother. Her name was Josefa Gomes de Oliveira, born in March 19th, 1886. Her parents were José Gomes de Oliveira and Maria Magdalena do Rosário. I need to find the mother of Maria Magdalena do Rosário. Thanks. Ubirajara Jales de Lira. -- For options, such as changing to List, Digest, Abridged, or No Mail (vacation) mode, log into your Google account and visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/Azores. Click in the blue area on the right that says Join this group and it will take you to Edit my membership. --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups Azores Genealogy group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to azores+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/azores.
Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Joam da Costa (Might be his birth record -- can't really read it) Help!
I think that may have been lost in the thread below. I found Matheus' birth record, as well as the birth record of his brother, Andre, which states the parents names. I have posted all of these records in the thread.. On Mar 23, 2014, at 12:34 PM, p...@dholmes.com p...@dholmes.com wrote: But Joseph, how did you learn the parents of Mateus da Costa without first finding his marriage record? Doug da Rocha Holmes Sacramento, California Pico Terceira Genealogist 916-550-1618 www.dholmes.com Original Message Subject: Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Joam da Costa (Might be his birth record -- can't really read it) Help! From: Joseph Costa jwcosta0...@gmail.com Date: Sat, March 22, 2014 8:09 pm To: azores@googlegroups.com Here is the marriage record from May 1701 of Matheus' parents, Antonio da Costa and Barbara da Costa: http://culturacores.azores.gov.pt/biblioteca_digital/SMG-VF-PONTAGARCA-C-1675-1749/SMG-VF-PONTAGARCA-C-1675-1749_item1/P41.html I got their names from Matheus' birth record in 1705, which I posted previously. On Mar 22, 2014, at 9:24 PM, JR jmro...@gmail.com wrote: Maybe I missed something, but how did you determine the parents of Mateus da Costa? Do you have the marriage and notice of the parents? JR On Saturday, March 22, 2014 9:06:59 PM UTC-4, JR wrote: Are you looking for the marriage of Mateus and Josefa? If so, according to my records they married circa 1750, in either Ponta Garca or VFSM. I have three children listed for this couple living in Ponta Garca. JR -- For options, such as changing to List, Digest, Abridged, or No Mail (vacation) mode, log into your Google account and visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/Azores. Click in the blue area on the right that says Join this group and it will take you to Edit my membership. --- You received this message because you are subscribed to a topic in the Google Groups Azores Genealogy group. To unsubscribe from this topic, visit https://groups.google.com/d/topic/azores/LdiTyK1-8r0/unsubscribe. To unsubscribe from this group and all its topics, send an email to azores+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/azores. -- For options, such as changing to List, Digest, Abridged, or No Mail (vacation) mode, log into your Google account and visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/Azores. Click in the blue area on the right that says Join this group and it will take you to Edit my membership. --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups Azores Genealogy group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to azores+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/azores.
Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Joam da Costa (Might be his birth record -- can't really read it) Help!
Margaret and JR. I don’t think that the Matheus and Josefa you document below are my ancestors. It might help if I invite you to my tree, where I have all of the documentation I found for my line of ancestors. Are you both on ancestry.com? I can invite you if you give me your email addresses. On Sunday, March 23, 2014 1:19:07 PM UTC-4, Mara wrote: Hi Joseph and JR, I am a direct descendent of Antonio Jacome Raposo and Maria Pacheco Moniz through their daughter Antonia Francisca. JR you helped me with this line. Thank you. This is to say that I have Josefa on my tree and I have her marriage record. She married Matheus in 1736, same year of my ancestor Antonia Francisca.. Both the bride and groom are using different surnames. He, Correia and she Rezendes. It is very bad to read but you will be able to see clearly Josefa Francisca NOTE the surname used is de Rezende fa de Antonio Jacome Raposo. Here's the link: http://culturacores.azores.gov.pt/biblioteca_digital/SMG-VF-PONTAGARCA-C-1675-1749/SMG-VF-PONTAGARCA-C-1675-1749_item1/P138.html Cheers, Margaret On Sun, Mar 23, 2014 at 12:46 PM, JR jmr...@gmail.com javascript:wrote: I am getting confused. No doubt, this is Matheus son of someone named Costa. However there are others, not to mention that Mateus may fetch his name from a grandparent with the name Costa. Do I have this right, is your Mateus and Josefa married circa 1750? If so, this Matheus of 1705 is not likely your ancestor. There are about four to six marriages missing in Ponta Garca, all circa 1745-1751, more or less. There is no doubt they are missing because other records specify that these people were married in PG. They include mine and some of Cheri Melo and Shirley A. I think your missing ancestors *may* be among the missing marriages. On the other hand, I reread the baptism of Andre and notice that Josefa is native of VFSM, so that makes it likely they married in her vila of VFSM. By the way, Canto is name that is hard to come by. There are only a few that I know of. Most turn out to be Couto. This is what I have. There may be some errors, as they were very difficult to read with a small reader at the LDS. But they can be easily fixed now. Here are children of said couple: *Descendants of Matheus da Costa* *Generation No. 1* *1.* MATHEUS DA1 COSTA was born Abt. 1725 in Ponta Garca- NS da Piedade, and died Bef. 21 May 1777. He married JOSEFA PACHECO Abt. 1750. She was born Abt. 1725 in Ponta Garca- NS da Piedade. More About JOSEFA PACHECO: Date born 2: Abt. 1725, Vila Franca, Matriz Children of MATHEUS COSTA and JOSEFA PACHECO are: i.ANTONIA FRANCISCA DOS ANJOS2, b. Ponta Garca- NS da Piedade; m. ANDRE DA CAMARA PACHECO, 22 May 1777, Ponta Garca- NS da Piedade; b. Ponta Garca- NS da Piedade; d. Ponta Garca- NS da Piedade. ii.ANTONIO DA COSTA DE ARAUJO, b. Ponta Garca- NS da Piedade; m. MARGARIDA FRANCISCA, 20 Jun 1779, Vila Franca do Campo- Matriz; b. Vila Franca do Campo- Matriz. iii.JACINTA DO ESPIRITO SANTO, b. Vila Franca, Matriz; m. JOSE PACHECO CAMILHO, 21 Mar 1776, Vila Franca, Matriz; b. 25 Mar 1738, Ponta Garca- NS da Piedade; d. Ponta Garca- NS da Piedade. More About JOSE PACHECO CAMILHO: Baptised: 01 Apr 1738, Ponta Garca- NS da Piedade On Saturday, March 22, 2014 11:09:36 PM UTC-4, Joseph Costa wrote: Here is the marriage record from May 1701 of Matheus' parents, Antonio da Costa and Barbara da Costa: http://culturacores.azores. gov.pt/biblioteca_digital/SMG-VF-PONTAGARCA-C-1675-1749/SMG- VF-PONTAGARCA-C-1675-1749_item1/P41.html I got their names from Matheus' birth record in 1705, which I posted previously. On Mar 22, 2014, at 9:24 PM, JR jmr...@gmail.com wrote: Maybe I missed something, but how did you determine the parents of Mateus da Costa? Do you have the marriage and notice of the parents? JR On Saturday, March 22, 2014 9:06:59 PM UTC-4, JR wrote: Are you looking for the marriage of Mateus and Josefa? If so, according to my records they married circa 1750, in either Ponta Garca or VFSM. I have three children listed for this couple living in Ponta Garca. JR On Saturday, March 22, 2014 3:47:21 PM UTC-4, Joseph Costa wrote: In addition to not being able to find Joam's birth record, I'm having great difficulty locating the marriage record of Matheus da Costa and Josefa da Pacheca. Josefa was born in 1714 at Matriz: http://culturacores.azores. gov.pt/biblioteca_digital/SMG-VF-SAOMIGUEL-B-1710-1718/SMG- VF-SAOMIGUEL-B-1710-1718_item1/P70.html Here is her death record from 1788: http://culturacores.azores.gov.pt/biblioteca_digital/SMG- VF-SAOMIGUEL-O-1780-1806/SMG-VF-SAOMIGUEL-O-1780-1806_item1/P84.html On Mar 22, 2014, at 3:41 PM, Joseph Costa
Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Joam da Costa (Might be his birth record -- can't really read it) Help!
Hi JR. I don't know when my Mateus and Josefa were married. That is the problem. I think you may be correct in that the marriage record is missing, because I have searched all of Ponta Garca and VFSM (knowing that Josefa was born there. I don't believe it is the one that you found. My Josefa (Josefa da Pacheca or Pachequa) was born in Apr 1714 in VFSM (I have her birth record posted below) and died in May 1788 in VFSM (I have her death record posted below). My Matheus was born in 1705 in Ponta Garca -- I have his birth record posted below. He died in 1773 in VFSM -- I have have his birth record posted below, which states the name of his parents (Antonio da Costa and Barbara da Costa). I know that both Matheus and Josefa died before their son Joam (my 4th great grandfather) was married in July 1788. His marriage record to Luzia do Espirito Santo states that both of his parents were deceased at the time. On Mar 23, 2014, at 12:46 PM, JR jmro...@gmail.com wrote: I am getting confused. No doubt, this is Matheus son of someone named Costa. However there are others, not to mention that Mateus may fetch his name from a grandparent with the name Costa. Do I have this right, is your Mateus and Josefa married circa 1750? If so, this Matheus of 1705 is not likely your ancestor. There are about four to six marriages missing in Ponta Garca, all circa 1745-1751, more or less. There is no doubt they are missing because other records specify that these people were married in PG. They include mine and some of Cheri Melo and Shirley A. I think your missing ancestors may be among the missing marriages. On the other hand, I reread the baptism of Andre and notice that Josefa is native of VFSM, so that makes it likely they married in her vila of VFSM. By the way, Canto is name that is hard to come by. There are only a few that I know of. Most turn out to be Couto. This is what I have. There may be some errors, as they were very difficult to read with a small reader at the LDS. But they can be easily fixed now. Here are children of said couple: Descendants of Matheus da Costa Generation No. 1 1. MATHEUS DA1 COSTA was born Abt. 1725 in Ponta Garca- NS da Piedade, and died Bef. 21 May 1777. He married JOSEFA PACHECOAbt. 1750. She was born Abt. 1725 in Ponta Garca- NS da Piedade. More About JOSEFA PACHECO: Date born 2: Abt. 1725, Vila Franca, Matriz Children of MATHEUS COSTA and JOSEFA PACHECO are: i.ANTONIA FRANCISCA DOS ANJOS2, b. Ponta Garca- NS da Piedade; m. ANDRE DA CAMARA PACHECO, 22 May 1777, Ponta Garca- NS da Piedade; b. Ponta Garca- NS da Piedade; d. Ponta Garca- NS da Piedade. ii.ANTONIO DA COSTA DE ARAUJO, b. Ponta Garca- NS da Piedade; m. MARGARIDA FRANCISCA, 20 Jun 1779, Vila Franca do Campo- Matriz; b. Vila Franca do Campo- Matriz. iii.JACINTA DO ESPIRITO SANTO, b. Vila Franca, Matriz; m. JOSE PACHECO CAMILHO, 21 Mar 1776, Vila Franca, Matriz; b. 25 Mar 1738, Ponta Garca- NS da Piedade; d. Ponta Garca- NS da Piedade. More About JOSE PACHECO CAMILHO: Baptised: 01 Apr 1738, Ponta Garca- NS da Piedade On Saturday, March 22, 2014 11:09:36 PM UTC-4, Joseph Costa wrote: Here is the marriage record from May 1701 of Matheus' parents, Antonio da Costa and Barbara da Costa: http://culturacores.azores.gov.pt/biblioteca_digital/SMG-VF-PONTAGARCA-C-1675-1749/SMG-VF-PONTAGARCA-C-1675-1749_item1/P41.html I got their names from Matheus' birth record in 1705, which I posted previously. On Mar 22, 2014, at 9:24 PM, JR jmr...@gmail.com wrote: Maybe I missed something, but how did you determine the parents of Mateus da Costa? Do you have the marriage and notice of the parents? JR On Saturday, March 22, 2014 9:06:59 PM UTC-4, JR wrote: Are you looking for the marriage of Mateus and Josefa? If so, according to my records they married circa 1750, in either Ponta Garca or VFSM. I have three children listed for this couple living in Ponta Garca. JR On Saturday, March 22, 2014 3:47:21 PM UTC-4, Joseph Costa wrote: In addition to not being able to find Joam's birth record, I'm having great difficulty locating the marriage record of Matheus da Costa and Josefa da Pacheca. Josefa was born in 1714 at Matriz: http://culturacores.azores.gov.pt/biblioteca_digital/SMG-VF-SAOMIGUEL-B-1710-1718/SMG-VF-SAOMIGUEL-B-1710-1718_item1/P70.html Here is her death record from 1788: http://culturacores.azores.gov.pt/biblioteca_digital/SMG-VF-SAOMIGUEL-O-1780-1806/SMG-VF-SAOMIGUEL-O-1780-1806_item1/P84.html On Mar 22, 2014, at 3:41 PM, Joseph Costa jwcos...@gmail.com wrote: SInce I posted this, I have done further research. My ancestor is definitely Matheus da Costa and his wife was definitely Jozefa de
[AZORES-Genealogy] Help with Translation
I am trying to figure out the name of Antonio's father per attached. He is the last entry on left side. I believe the last name is Pacheco. Just cannot figure out the first name. http://culturacores.azores.gov.pt/biblioteca_digital/SMG-PV-FAIALDATERRA-B-1764-1787/SMG-PV-FAIALDATERRA-B-1764-1787_item1/P8.html thank you Sheri -- For options, such as changing to List, Digest, Abridged, or No Mail (vacation) mode, log into your Google account and visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/Azores. Click in the blue area on the right that says Join this group and it will take you to Edit my membership. --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups Azores Genealogy group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to azores+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/azores.
[AZORES-Genealogy] Re: Joam da Costa (Might be his birth record -- can't really read it) Help!
Margaret and JR: Here is Joam da Costa’s marriage record (my 4th great grandfather). He would be Antonio da Costa de Araujo’s brother. Note that both parents (Matheus and Josefa) were dead at the time of this wedding: http://culturacores.azores.gov.pt/biblioteca_digital/SMG-VF-SAOMIGUEL-C-1763-1812/SMG-VF-SAOMIGUEL-C-1763-1812_item1/P185.html On Thursday, March 20, 2014 2:45:13 PM UTC-4, Joseph Costa wrote: I think I may have found my 4th great grandfather's, Joam da Costa's, birth record, but I'm not sure. Per my previous post, he is the son of Matheus da Costa and Jozefa Pacheco (also appears as Pachequa or Pacheca). Can anyone read this. In the link below, it's on the right-hand page in the lower right corner. Looks like this is from Sept 1751? I need help verifying that these are in fact the names of the parents on this record. What about grandparents' names? Anyone see those? http://culturacores.azores.gov.pt/biblioteca_digital/SMG-VF-SAOMIGUEL-B-1751-1758/SMG-VF-SAOMIGUEL-B-1751-1758_item1/P23.html -- For options, such as changing to List, Digest, Abridged, or No Mail (vacation) mode, log into your Google account and visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/Azores. Click in the blue area on the right that says Join this group and it will take you to Edit my membership. --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups Azores Genealogy group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to azores+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/azores.
Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Joam da Costa (Might be his birth record -- can't really read it) Help!
JR. For the children of Matheus and Josefa, I believe the daughter you have listed as “Jacinta do Espirito Santo” is actually Anna Jacinta do Espirito Santo”. I have her in my tree. On Sunday, March 23, 2014 12:46:10 PM UTC-4, JR wrote: I am getting confused. No doubt, this is Matheus son of someone named Costa. However there are others, not to mention that Mateus may fetch his name from a grandparent with the name Costa. Do I have this right, is your Mateus and Josefa married circa 1750? If so, this Matheus of 1705 is not likely your ancestor. There are about four to six marriages missing in Ponta Garca, all circa 1745-1751, more or less. There is no doubt they are missing because other records specify that these people were married in PG. They include mine and some of Cheri Melo and Shirley A. I think your missing ancestors *may* be among the missing marriages. On the other hand, I reread the baptism of Andre and notice that Josefa is native of VFSM, so that makes it likely they married in her vila of VFSM. By the way, Canto is name that is hard to come by. There are only a few that I know of. Most turn out to be Couto. This is what I have. There may be some errors, as they were very difficult to read with a small reader at the LDS. But they can be easily fixed now. Here are children of said couple: *Descendants of Matheus da Costa* *Generation No. 1* *1.* MATHEUS DA1 COSTA was born Abt. 1725 in Ponta Garca- NS da Piedade, and died Bef. 21 May 1777. He married JOSEFA PACHECO Abt. 1750. She was born Abt. 1725 in Ponta Garca- NS da Piedade. More About JOSEFA PACHECO: Date born 2: Abt. 1725, Vila Franca, Matriz Children of MATHEUS COSTA and JOSEFA PACHECO are: i.ANTONIA FRANCISCA DOS ANJOS2, b. Ponta Garca- NS da Piedade; m. ANDRE DA CAMARA PACHECO, 22 May 1777, Ponta Garca- NS da Piedade; b. Ponta Garca- NS da Piedade; d. Ponta Garca- NS da Piedade. ii.ANTONIO DA COSTA DE ARAUJO, b. Ponta Garca- NS da Piedade; m. MARGARIDA FRANCISCA, 20 Jun 1779, Vila Franca do Campo- Matriz; b. Vila Franca do Campo- Matriz. iii.JACINTA DO ESPIRITO SANTO, b. Vila Franca, Matriz; m. JOSE PACHECO CAMILHO, 21 Mar 1776, Vila Franca, Matriz; b. 25 Mar 1738, Ponta Garca- NS da Piedade; d. Ponta Garca- NS da Piedade. More About JOSE PACHECO CAMILHO: Baptised: 01 Apr 1738, Ponta Garca- NS da Piedade On Saturday, March 22, 2014 11:09:36 PM UTC-4, Joseph Costa wrote: Here is the marriage record from May 1701 of Matheus' parents, Antonio da Costa and Barbara da Costa: http://culturacores.azores.gov.pt/biblioteca_digital/SMG-VF-PONTAGARCA-C-1675-1749/SMG-VF-PONTAGARCA-C-1675-1749_item1/P41.html I got their names from Matheus' birth record in 1705, which I posted previously. On Mar 22, 2014, at 9:24 PM, JR jmr...@gmail.com wrote: Maybe I missed something, but how did you determine the parents of Mateus da Costa? Do you have the marriage and notice of the parents? JR On Saturday, March 22, 2014 9:06:59 PM UTC-4, JR wrote: Are you looking for the marriage of Mateus and Josefa? If so, according to my records they married circa 1750, in either Ponta Garca or VFSM. I have three children listed for this couple living in Ponta Garca. JR On Saturday, March 22, 2014 3:47:21 PM UTC-4, Joseph Costa wrote: In addition to not being able to find Joam's birth record, I'm having great difficulty locating the marriage record of Matheus da Costa and Josefa da Pacheca. Josefa was born in 1714 at Matriz: http://culturacores.azores.gov.pt/biblioteca_digital/SMG-VF-SAOMIGUEL-B-1710-1718/SMG-VF-SAOMIGUEL-B-1710-1718_item1/P70.html Here is her death record from 1788: http://culturacores.azores.gov.pt/biblioteca_digital/SMG-VF-SAOMIGUEL-O-1780-1806/SMG-VF-SAOMIGUEL-O-1780-1806_item1/P84.html On Mar 22, 2014, at 3:41 PM, Joseph Costa jwcos...@gmail.com wrote: SInce I posted this, I have done further research. My ancestor is definitely Matheus da Costa and his wife was definitely Jozefa de Pacheca. Here is Matheus birth record from Sep 16, 1705 at Ponta Garca: http://culturacores.azores.gov.pt/biblioteca_digital/SMG-VF-PONTAGARCA-B-1703-1720/SMG-VF-PONTAGARCA-B-1703-1720_item1/P29.html Here is his death record from Matriz in 1773: http://culturacores.azores.gov.pt/biblioteca_digital/SMG-VF-SAOMIGUEL-O-1749-1780/SMG-VF-SAOMIGUEL-O-1749-1780_item1/P152.html Also, here is the birth record of his son Andre (Joam's brother) in 1753: http://culturacores.azores.gov.pt/biblioteca_digital/SMG-VF-SAOMIGUEL-B-1751-1758/SMG-VF-SAOMIGUEL-B-1751-1758_item1/P72.html On Mar 22, 2014, at 3:07 PM, pi...@dholmes.com wrote: Joseph, How about the fact the baptism is for a child of
Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Help with Translation
Looks like Thome Pacheco On Sunday, March 23, 2014, smartell...@gmail.com wrote: I am trying to figure out the name of Antonio's father per attached. He is the last entry on left side. I believe the last name is Pacheco. Just cannot figure out the first name. http://culturacores.azores.gov.pt/biblioteca_digital/SMG-PV-FAIALDATERRA-B-1764-1787/SMG-PV-FAIALDATERRA-B-1764-1787_item1/P8.html thank you Sheri -- For options, such as changing to List, Digest, Abridged, or No Mail (vacation) mode, log into your Google account and visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/Azores. Click in the blue area on the right that says Join this group and it will take you to Edit my membership. --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups Azores Genealogy group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to azores+unsubscr...@googlegroups.comjavascript:_e(%7B%7D,'cvml','azores%2bunsubscr...@googlegroups.com'); . Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/azores. -- For options, such as changing to List, Digest, Abridged, or No Mail (vacation) mode, log into your Google account and visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/Azores. Click in the blue area on the right that says Join this group and it will take you to Edit my membership. --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups Azores Genealogy group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to azores+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/azores.
Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Help with Translation
Sheri, I believe it is Sebastian (with the old spelling). Rosemarie From: smartell...@gmail.com Sent: Sunday, March 23, 2014 2:22 PM To: azores@googlegroups.com Subject: [AZORES-Genealogy] Help with Translation I am trying to figure out the name of Antonio's father per attached. He is the last entry on left side. I believe the last name is Pacheco. Just cannot figure out the first name. http://culturacores.azores.gov.pt/biblioteca_digital/SMG-PV-FAIALDATERRA-B-1764-1787/SMG-PV-FAIALDATERRA-B-1764-1787_item1/P8.html thank you Sheri -- For options, such as changing to List, Digest, Abridged, or No Mail (vacation) mode, log into your Google account and visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/Azores. Click in the blue area on the right that says Join this group and it will take you to Edit my membership. --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups Azores Genealogy group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to azores+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/azores. -- For options, such as changing to List, Digest, Abridged, or No Mail (vacation) mode, log into your Google account and visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/Azores. Click in the blue area on the right that says Join this group and it will take you to Edit my membership. --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups Azores Genealogy group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to azores+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/azores.
Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Help with Translation
It's Thome Rabello (Tomé Rebelo) Manoel Em domingo, 23 de março de 2014 19h50min15s UTC-3, Pam Santos escreveu: Looks like Thome Pacheco On Sunday, March 23, 2014, smart...@gmail.com javascript: wrote: I am trying to figure out the name of Antonio's father per attached. He is the last entry on left side. I believe the last name is Pacheco. Just cannot figure out the first name. http://culturacores.azores.gov.pt/biblioteca_digital/SMG-PV-FAIALDATERRA-B-1764-1787/SMG-PV-FAIALDATERRA-B-1764-1787_item1/P8.html thank you Sheri -- For options, such as changing to List, Digest, Abridged, or No Mail (vacation) mode, log into your Google account and visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/Azores. Click in the blue area on the right that says Join this group and it will take you to Edit my membership. --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups Azores Genealogy group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to azores+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/azores. -- For options, such as changing to List, Digest, Abridged, or No Mail (vacation) mode, log into your Google account and visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/Azores. Click in the blue area on the right that says Join this group and it will take you to Edit my membership. --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups Azores Genealogy group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to azores+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/azores.
Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Help with Translation
Last name could be what Manuel said. I am viewing from my phone I will look later but Manuel is probably right On Sunday, March 23, 2014, mances man...@gmail.com wrote: It's Thome Rabello (Tomé Rebelo) Manoel Em domingo, 23 de março de 2014 19h50min15s UTC-3, Pam Santos escreveu: Looks like Thome Pacheco On Sunday, March 23, 2014, smart...@gmail.com wrote: I am trying to figure out the name of Antonio's father per attached. He is the last entry on left side. I believe the last name is Pacheco. Just cannot figure out the first name. http://culturacores.azores.gov.pt/biblioteca_digital/SMG- PV-FAIALDATERRA-B-1764-1787/SMG-PV-FAIALDATERRA-B-1764- 1787_item1/P8.html thank you Sheri -- For options, such as changing to List, Digest, Abridged, or No Mail (vacation) mode, log into your Google account and visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/Azores. Click in the blue area on the right that says Join this group and it will take you to Edit my membership. --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups Azores Genealogy group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to azores+unsubscribe@ azores+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com googlegroup azores+unsubscr...@googlegroups.coms.comazores+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com . Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/azores. -- For options, such as changing to List, Digest, Abridged, or No Mail (vacation) mode, log into your Google account and visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/Azores. Click in the blue area on the right that says Join this group and it will take you to Edit my membership. --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups Azores Genealogy group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to azores+unsubscr...@googlegroups.comjavascript:_e(%7B%7D,'cvml','azores%2bunsubscr...@googlegroups.com'); . Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/azores. -- For options, such as changing to List, Digest, Abridged, or No Mail (vacation) mode, log into your Google account and visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/Azores. Click in the blue area on the right that says Join this group and it will take you to Edit my membership. --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups Azores Genealogy group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to azores+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/azores.
Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Help with Translation
Yes Manuel is correct its Thome Rebello and Francisca Pimentel On Sun, Mar 23, 2014 at 4:39 PM, Pam Santos pamsanto...@gmail.com wrote: Last name could be what Manuel said. I am viewing from my phone I will look later but Manuel is probably right On Sunday, March 23, 2014, mances man...@gmail.com wrote: It's Thome Rabello (Tomé Rebelo) Manoel Em domingo, 23 de março de 2014 19h50min15s UTC-3, Pam Santos escreveu: Looks like Thome Pacheco On Sunday, March 23, 2014, smart...@gmail.com wrote: I am trying to figure out the name of Antonio's father per attached. He is the last entry on left side. I believe the last name is Pacheco. Just cannot figure out the first name. http://culturacores.azores.gov.pt/biblioteca_digital/SMG- PV-FAIALDATERRA-B-1764-1787/SMG-PV-FAIALDATERRA-B-1764- 1787_item1/P8.html thank you Sheri -- For options, such as changing to List, Digest, Abridged, or No Mail (vacation) mode, log into your Google account and visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/Azores. Click in the blue area on the right that says Join this group and it will take you to Edit my membership. --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups Azores Genealogy group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to azores+unsubscribe@ azores+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com googlegroup azores+unsubscr...@googlegroups.coms.comazores+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com . Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/azores. -- For options, such as changing to List, Digest, Abridged, or No Mail (vacation) mode, log into your Google account and visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/Azores. Click in the blue area on the right that says Join this group and it will take you to Edit my membership. --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups Azores Genealogy group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to azores+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/azores. -- For options, such as changing to List, Digest, Abridged, or No Mail (vacation) mode, log into your Google account and visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/Azores. Click in the blue area on the right that says Join this group and it will take you to Edit my membership. --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups Azores Genealogy group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to azores+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/azores.
Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Joam da Costa (Might be his birth record -- can't really read it) Help!
Yes, you are quite right, it is Anna Jacinta... JR On Sunday, March 23, 2014 3:21:25 PM UTC-4, Joseph Costa wrote: JR. For the children of Matheus and Josefa, I believe the daughter you have listed as “Jacinta do Espirito Santo” is actually Anna Jacinta do Espirito Santo”. I have her in my tree. On Sunday, March 23, 2014 12:46:10 PM UTC-4, JR wrote: I am getting confused. No doubt, this is Matheus son of someone named Costa. However there are others, not to mention that Mateus may fetch his name from a grandparent with the name Costa. Do I have this right, is your Mateus and Josefa married circa 1750? If so, this Matheus of 1705 is not likely your ancestor. There are about four to six marriages missing in Ponta Garca, all circa 1745-1751, more or less. There is no doubt they are missing because other records specify that these people were married in PG. They include mine and some of Cheri Melo and Shirley A. I think your missing ancestors *may* be among the missing marriages. On the other hand, I reread the baptism of Andre and notice that Josefa is native of VFSM, so that makes it likely they married in her vila of VFSM. By the way, Canto is name that is hard to come by. There are only a few that I know of. Most turn out to be Couto. This is what I have. There may be some errors, as they were very difficult to read with a small reader at the LDS. But they can be easily fixed now. Here are children of said couple: *Descendants of Matheus da Costa* *Generation No. 1* *1.* MATHEUS DA1 COSTA was born Abt. 1725 in Ponta Garca- NS da Piedade, and died Bef. 21 May 1777. He married JOSEFA PACHECO Abt. 1750. She was born Abt. 1725 in Ponta Garca- NS da Piedade. More About JOSEFA PACHECO: Date born 2: Abt. 1725, Vila Franca, Matriz Children of MATHEUS COSTA and JOSEFA PACHECO are: i.ANTONIA FRANCISCA DOS ANJOS2, b. Ponta Garca- NS da Piedade; m. ANDRE DA CAMARA PACHECO, 22 May 1777, Ponta Garca- NS da Piedade; b. Ponta Garca- NS da Piedade; d. Ponta Garca- NS da Piedade. ii.ANTONIO DA COSTA DE ARAUJO, b. Ponta Garca- NS da Piedade; m. MARGARIDA FRANCISCA, 20 Jun 1779, Vila Franca do Campo- Matriz; b. Vila Franca do Campo- Matriz. iii.JACINTA DO ESPIRITO SANTO, b. Vila Franca, Matriz; m. JOSE PACHECO CAMILHO, 21 Mar 1776, Vila Franca, Matriz; b. 25 Mar 1738, Ponta Garca- NS da Piedade; d. Ponta Garca- NS da Piedade. More About JOSE PACHECO CAMILHO: Baptised: 01 Apr 1738, Ponta Garca- NS da Piedade On Saturday, March 22, 2014 11:09:36 PM UTC-4, Joseph Costa wrote: Here is the marriage record from May 1701 of Matheus' parents, Antonio da Costa and Barbara da Costa: http://culturacores.azores.gov.pt/biblioteca_digital/SMG-VF-PONTAGARCA-C-1675-1749/SMG-VF-PONTAGARCA-C-1675-1749_item1/P41.html I got their names from Matheus' birth record in 1705, which I posted previously. On Mar 22, 2014, at 9:24 PM, JR jmr...@gmail.com wrote: Maybe I missed something, but how did you determine the parents of Mateus da Costa? Do you have the marriage and notice of the parents? JR On Saturday, March 22, 2014 9:06:59 PM UTC-4, JR wrote: Are you looking for the marriage of Mateus and Josefa? If so, according to my records they married circa 1750, in either Ponta Garca or VFSM. I have three children listed for this couple living in Ponta Garca. JR On Saturday, March 22, 2014 3:47:21 PM UTC-4, Joseph Costa wrote: In addition to not being able to find Joam's birth record, I'm having great difficulty locating the marriage record of Matheus da Costa and Josefa da Pacheca. Josefa was born in 1714 at Matriz: http://culturacores.azores.gov.pt/biblioteca_digital/SMG-VF-SAOMIGUEL-B-1710-1718/SMG-VF-SAOMIGUEL-B-1710-1718_item1/P70.html Here is her death record from 1788: http://culturacores.azores.gov.pt/biblioteca_digital/SMG-VF-SAOMIGUEL-O-1780-1806/SMG-VF-SAOMIGUEL-O-1780-1806_item1/P84.html On Mar 22, 2014, at 3:41 PM, Joseph Costa jwcos...@gmail.com wrote: SInce I posted this, I have done further research. My ancestor is definitely Matheus da Costa and his wife was definitely Jozefa de Pacheca. Here is Matheus birth record from Sep 16, 1705 at Ponta Garca: http://culturacores.azores.gov.pt/biblioteca_digital/SMG-VF-PONTAGARCA-B-1703-1720/SMG-VF-PONTAGARCA-B-1703-1720_item1/P29.html Here is his death record from Matriz in 1773: http://culturacores.azores.gov.pt/biblioteca_digital/SMG-VF-SAOMIGUEL-O-1749-1780/SMG-VF-SAOMIGUEL-O-1749-1780_item1/P152.html Also, here is the birth record of his son Andre (Joam's brother) in 1753: http://culturacores.azores.gov.pt/biblioteca_digital/SMG-VF-SAOMIGUEL-B-1751-1758/SMG-VF-SAOMIGUEL-B-1751-1758_item1/P72.html On Mar
Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Re: Joam da Costa (Might be his birth record -- can't really read it) Help!
Joseph, my ancestry membership is now expired. I'm not sure I understand your note regarding the marriage record for Joao which reades he was wed on July 7-1783. The record states his parents were both deceased and so they were. Matheus died Sep 1st 1773 and Josefa died May 21st, 1788. On Sun, Mar 23, 2014 at 2:47 PM, Joseph Costa jwcosta0...@gmail.com wrote: Margaret and JR: Here is Joam da Costa's marriage record (my 4th great grandfather). He would be Antonio da Costa de Araujo's brother. Note that both parents (Matheus and Josefa) were dead at the time of this wedding: http://culturacores.azores.gov.pt/biblioteca_digital/SMG-VF-SAOMIGUEL-C-1763-1812/SMG-VF-SAOMIGUEL-C-1763-1812_item1/P185.html On Thursday, March 20, 2014 2:45:13 PM UTC-4, Joseph Costa wrote: I think I may have found my 4th great grandfather's, Joam da Costa's, birth record, but I'm not sure. Per my previous post, he is the son of Matheus da Costa and Jozefa Pacheco (also appears as Pachequa or Pacheca). Can anyone read this. In the link below, it's on the right-hand page in the lower right corner. Looks like this is from Sept 1751? I need help verifying that these are in fact the names of the parents on this record. What about grandparents' names? Anyone see those? http://culturacores.azores.gov.pt/biblioteca_digital/SMG- VF-SAOMIGUEL-B-1751-1758/SMG-VF-SAOMIGUEL-B-1751-1758_item1/P23.html -- For options, such as changing to List, Digest, Abridged, or No Mail (vacation) mode, log into your Google account and visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/Azores. Click in the blue area on the right that says Join this group and it will take you to Edit my membership. --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups Azores Genealogy group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to azores+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/azores. -- Margaret M Vicente -- For options, such as changing to List, Digest, Abridged, or No Mail (vacation) mode, log into your Google account and visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/Azores. Click in the blue area on the right that says Join this group and it will take you to Edit my membership. --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups Azores Genealogy group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to azores+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/azores.
Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Re: Joam da Costa (Might be his birth record -- can't really read it) Help!
Correction, Joao's marriage date July 7 1788. On Sun, Mar 23, 2014 at 9:20 PM, Margaret Vicente margaretvice...@gmail.com wrote: Joseph, my ancestry membership is now expired. I'm not sure I understand your note regarding the marriage record for Joao which reades he was wed on July 7-1783. The record states his parents were both deceased and so they were. Matheus died Sep 1st 1773 and Josefa died May 21st, 1788. On Sun, Mar 23, 2014 at 2:47 PM, Joseph Costa jwcosta0...@gmail.comwrote: Margaret and JR: Here is Joam da Costa's marriage record (my 4th great grandfather). He would be Antonio da Costa de Araujo's brother. Note that both parents (Matheus and Josefa) were dead at the time of this wedding: http://culturacores.azores.gov.pt/biblioteca_digital/SMG-VF-SAOMIGUEL-C-1763-1812/SMG-VF-SAOMIGUEL-C-1763-1812_item1/P185.html On Thursday, March 20, 2014 2:45:13 PM UTC-4, Joseph Costa wrote: I think I may have found my 4th great grandfather's, Joam da Costa's, birth record, but I'm not sure. Per my previous post, he is the son of Matheus da Costa and Jozefa Pacheco (also appears as Pachequa or Pacheca). Can anyone read this. In the link below, it's on the right-hand page in the lower right corner. Looks like this is from Sept 1751? I need help verifying that these are in fact the names of the parents on this record. What about grandparents' names? Anyone see those? http://culturacores.azores.gov.pt/biblioteca_digital/SMG- VF-SAOMIGUEL-B-1751-1758/SMG-VF-SAOMIGUEL-B-1751-1758_item1/P23.html -- For options, such as changing to List, Digest, Abridged, or No Mail (vacation) mode, log into your Google account and visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/Azores. Click in the blue area on the right that says Join this group and it will take you to Edit my membership. --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups Azores Genealogy group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to azores+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/azores. -- Margaret M Vicente -- Margaret M Vicente -- For options, such as changing to List, Digest, Abridged, or No Mail (vacation) mode, log into your Google account and visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/Azores. Click in the blue area on the right that says Join this group and it will take you to Edit my membership. --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups Azores Genealogy group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to azores+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/azores.
Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Joam da Costa (Might be his birth record -- can't really read it) Help!
I just am having great difficulty believing that the marriage record you have for Matheus Correia and Josefa Rezendes is actually my ancestors' marriage record. I still think that their marriage record is lost. On Mar 23, 2014, at 9:20 PM, Margaret Vicente margaretvice...@gmail.com wrote: Joseph, my ancestry membership is now expired. I'm not sure I understand your note regarding the marriage record for Joao which reades he was wed on July 7-1783. The record states his parents were both deceased and so they were. Matheus died Sep 1st 1773 and Josefa died May 21st, 1788. On Sun, Mar 23, 2014 at 2:47 PM, Joseph Costa jwcosta0...@gmail.com wrote: Margaret and JR: Here is Joam da Costa's marriage record (my 4th great grandfather). He would be Antonio da Costa de Araujo's brother. Note that both parents (Matheus and Josefa) were dead at the time of this wedding: http://culturacores.azores.gov.pt/biblioteca_digital/SMG-VF-SAOMIGUEL-C-1763-1812/SMG-VF-SAOMIGUEL-C-1763-1812_item1/P185.html On Thursday, March 20, 2014 2:45:13 PM UTC-4, Joseph Costa wrote: I think I may have found my 4th great grandfather's, Joam da Costa's, birth record, but I'm not sure. Per my previous post, he is the son of Matheus da Costa and Jozefa Pacheco (also appears as Pachequa or Pacheca). Can anyone read this. In the link below, it's on the right-hand page in the lower right corner. Looks like this is from Sept 1751? I need help verifying that these are in fact the names of the parents on this record. What about grandparents' names? Anyone see those? http://culturacores.azores.gov.pt/biblioteca_digital/SMG-VF-SAOMIGUEL-B-1751-1758/SMG-VF-SAOMIGUEL-B-1751-1758_item1/P23.html -- For options, such as changing to List, Digest, Abridged, or No Mail (vacation) mode, log into your Google account and visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/Azores. Click in the blue area on the right that says Join this group and it will take you to Edit my membership. --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups Azores Genealogy group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to azores+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/azores. -- Margaret M Vicente -- For options, such as changing to List, Digest, Abridged, or No Mail (vacation) mode, log into your Google account and visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/Azores. Click in the blue area on the right that says Join this group and it will take you to Edit my membership. --- You received this message because you are subscribed to a topic in the Google Groups Azores Genealogy group. To unsubscribe from this topic, visit https://groups.google.com/d/topic/azores/xqzNkH3jpaM/unsubscribe. To unsubscribe from this group and all its topics, send an email to azores+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/azores. -- For options, such as changing to List, Digest, Abridged, or No Mail (vacation) mode, log into your Google account and visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/Azores. Click in the blue area on the right that says Join this group and it will take you to Edit my membership. --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups Azores Genealogy group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to azores+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/azores.
Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Joam da Costa (Might be his birth record -- can't really read it) Help!
Understandably so, Joseph. On Sun, Mar 23, 2014 at 9:26 PM, Joseph Costa jwcosta0...@gmail.com wrote: I just am having great difficulty believing that the marriage record you have for Matheus Correia and Josefa Rezendes is actually my ancestors' marriage record. I still think that their marriage record is lost. On Mar 23, 2014, at 9:20 PM, Margaret Vicente margaretvice...@gmail.com wrote: Joseph, my ancestry membership is now expired. I'm not sure I understand your note regarding the marriage record for Joao which reades he was wed on July 7-1783. The record states his parents were both deceased and so they were. Matheus died Sep 1st 1773 and Josefa died May 21st, 1788. On Sun, Mar 23, 2014 at 2:47 PM, Joseph Costa jwcosta0...@gmail.com wrote: Margaret and JR: Here is Joam da Costa's marriage record (my 4th great grandfather). He would be Antonio da Costa de Araujo's brother. Note that both parents (Matheus and Josefa) were dead at the time of this wedding: http://culturacores.azores.gov.pt/biblioteca_digital/SMG-VF-SAOMIGUEL-C-1763-1812/SMG-VF-SAOMIGUEL-C-1763-1812_item1/P185.html On Thursday, March 20, 2014 2:45:13 PM UTC-4, Joseph Costa wrote: I think I may have found my 4th great grandfather's, Joam da Costa's, birth record, but I'm not sure. Per my previous post, he is the son of Matheus da Costa and Jozefa Pacheco (also appears as Pachequa or Pacheca). Can anyone read this. In the link below, it's on the right-hand page in the lower right corner. Looks like this is from Sept 1751? I need help verifying that these are in fact the names of the parents on this record. What about grandparents' names? Anyone see those? http://culturacores.azores.gov.pt/biblioteca_digital/SMG-VF-SAOMIGUEL-B-1751-1758/SMG-VF-SAOMIGUEL-B-1751-1758_item1/P23.html -- For options, such as changing to List, Digest, Abridged, or No Mail (vacation) mode, log into your Google account and visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/Azores. Click in the blue area on the right that says Join this group and it will take you to Edit my membership. --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups Azores Genealogy group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to azores+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/azores. -- Margaret M Vicente -- For options, such as changing to List, Digest, Abridged, or No Mail (vacation) mode, log into your Google account and visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/Azores. Click in the blue area on the right that says Join this group and it will take you to Edit my membership. --- You received this message because you are subscribed to a topic in the Google Groups Azores Genealogy group. To unsubscribe from this topic, visit https://groups.google.com/d/topic/azores/xqzNkH3jpaM/unsubscribe. To unsubscribe from this group and all its topics, send an email to azores+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/azores. -- For options, such as changing to List, Digest, Abridged, or No Mail (vacation) mode, log into your Google account and visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/Azores. Click in the blue area on the right that says Join this group and it will take you to Edit my membership. --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups Azores Genealogy group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to azores+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/azores. -- Margaret M Vicente -- For options, such as changing to List, Digest, Abridged, or No Mail (vacation) mode, log into your Google account and visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/Azores. Click in the blue area on the right that says Join this group and it will take you to Edit my membership. --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups Azores Genealogy group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to azores+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/azores.
Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Joam da Costa (Might be his birth record -- can't really read it) Help!
The PG 1736 marriage record does state the father is Antonio Rapozo. As I already said in my private message I also understand. My ancestor Joao da Roia married as Joao da Costa, yet every other record stated his name was Joao da Roia. He never used Costa again. I had a hard time finding him. But his father was clearly Antonio da Roia. Anyway check this record which lists Matheus da Costa and spouse Josepha Pacheco as godparents living in Ponta Garca. This would be right after they married. JR http://culturacores.azores.gov.pt/biblioteca_digital/SMG-VF-PONTAGARCA-B-1719-1739/SMG-VF-PONTAGARCA-B-1719-1739_item1/P199.html On Sunday, March 23, 2014 9:46:30 PM UTC-4, Mara wrote: Understandably so, Joseph. On Sun, Mar 23, 2014 at 9:26 PM, Joseph Costa jwcos...@gmail.comjavascript: wrote: I just am having great difficulty believing that the marriage record you have for Matheus Correia and Josefa Rezendes is actually my ancestors' marriage record. I still think that their marriage record is lost. On Mar 23, 2014, at 9:20 PM, Margaret Vicente margare...@gmail.comjavascript: wrote: Joseph, my ancestry membership is now expired. I'm not sure I understand your note regarding the marriage record for Joao which reades he was wed on July 7-1783. The record states his parents were both deceased and so they were. Matheus died Sep 1st 1773 and Josefa died May 21st, 1788. On Sun, Mar 23, 2014 at 2:47 PM, Joseph Costa jwcos...@gmail.comjavascript: wrote: Margaret and JR: Here is Joam da Costa's marriage record (my 4th great grandfather). He would be Antonio da Costa de Araujo's brother. Note that both parents (Matheus and Josefa) were dead at the time of this wedding: http://culturacores.azores.gov.pt/biblioteca_digital/SMG-VF-SAOMIGUEL-C-1763-1812/SMG-VF-SAOMIGUEL-C-1763-1812_item1/P185.html On Thursday, March 20, 2014 2:45:13 PM UTC-4, Joseph Costa wrote: I think I may have found my 4th great grandfather's, Joam da Costa's, birth record, but I'm not sure. Per my previous post, he is the son of Matheus da Costa and Jozefa Pacheco (also appears as Pachequa or Pacheca). Can anyone read this. In the link below, it's on the right-hand page in the lower right corner. Looks like this is from Sept 1751? I need help verifying that these are in fact the names of the parents on this record. What about grandparents' names? Anyone see those? http://culturacores.azores.gov.pt/biblioteca_digital/SMG-VF-SAOMIGUEL-B-1751-1758/SMG-VF-SAOMIGUEL-B-1751-1758_item1/P23.html -- For options, such as changing to List, Digest, Abridged, or No Mail (vacation) mode, log into your Google account and visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/Azores. Click in the blue area on the right that says Join this group and it will take you to Edit my membership. --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups Azores Genealogy group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to azores+un...@googlegroups.com javascript:. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/azores. -- Margaret M Vicente -- For options, such as changing to List, Digest, Abridged, or No Mail (vacation) mode, log into your Google account and visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/Azores. Click in the blue area on the right that says Join this group and it will take you to Edit my membership. --- You received this message because you are subscribed to a topic in the Google Groups Azores Genealogy group. To unsubscribe from this topic, visit https://groups.google.com/d/topic/azores/xqzNkH3jpaM/unsubscribe. To unsubscribe from this group and all its topics, send an email to azores+un...@googlegroups.com javascript:. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/azores. -- For options, such as changing to List, Digest, Abridged, or No Mail (vacation) mode, log into your Google account and visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/Azores. Click in the blue area on the right that says Join this group and it will take you to Edit my membership. --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups Azores Genealogy group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to azores+un...@googlegroups.com javascript:. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/azores. -- Margaret M Vicente -- For options, such as changing to List, Digest, Abridged, or No Mail (vacation) mode, log into your Google account and visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/Azores. Click in the blue area on the right that says Join this group and it will take you to Edit my membership. --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups Azores Genealogy group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop
Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Joam da Costa (Might be his birth record -- can't really read it) Help!
The record is for Margarida and it states the godparents are Marcos da Costa son of Antonio da Costa Piquete and Barbara da Costa and Jozepha Pacheca mulher de Matheus da Costa residents of PG. Marcos da Costa was not yet married (1739, PG) but he is the brother of Matheus da Costa. So you can see they are all related to the family of Antonio da Costa Piquete and Barbara da Costa. Hope this helps. JR On Sunday, March 23, 2014 10:00:07 PM UTC-4, JR wrote: The PG 1736 marriage record does state the father is Antonio Rapozo. As I already said in my private message I also understand. My ancestor Joao da Roia married as Joao da Costa, yet every other record stated his name was Joao da Roia. He never used Costa again. I had a hard time finding him. But his father was clearly Antonio da Roia. Anyway check this record which lists Matheus da Costa and spouse Josepha Pacheco as godparents living in Ponta Garca. This would be right after they married. JR http://culturacores.azores.gov.pt/biblioteca_digital/SMG-VF-PONTAGARCA-B-1719-1739/SMG-VF-PONTAGARCA-B-1719-1739_item1/P199.html On Sunday, March 23, 2014 9:46:30 PM UTC-4, Mara wrote: Understandably so, Joseph. On Sun, Mar 23, 2014 at 9:26 PM, Joseph Costa jwcos...@gmail.com wrote: I just am having great difficulty believing that the marriage record you have for Matheus Correia and Josefa Rezendes is actually my ancestors' marriage record. I still think that their marriage record is lost. On Mar 23, 2014, at 9:20 PM, Margaret Vicente margare...@gmail.com wrote: Joseph, my ancestry membership is now expired. I'm not sure I understand your note regarding the marriage record for Joao which reades he was wed on July 7-1783. The record states his parents were both deceased and so they were. Matheus died Sep 1st 1773 and Josefa died May 21st, 1788. On Sun, Mar 23, 2014 at 2:47 PM, Joseph Costa jwcos...@gmail.com wrote: Margaret and JR: Here is Joam da Costa's marriage record (my 4th great grandfather). He would be Antonio da Costa de Araujo's brother. Note that both parents (Matheus and Josefa) were dead at the time of this wedding: http://culturacores.azores.gov.pt/biblioteca_digital/SMG-VF-SAOMIGUEL-C-1763-1812/SMG-VF-SAOMIGUEL-C-1763-1812_item1/P185.html On Thursday, March 20, 2014 2:45:13 PM UTC-4, Joseph Costa wrote: I think I may have found my 4th great grandfather's, Joam da Costa's, birth record, but I'm not sure. Per my previous post, he is the son of Matheus da Costa and Jozefa Pacheco (also appears as Pachequa or Pacheca). Can anyone read this. In the link below, it's on the right-hand page in the lower right corner. Looks like this is from Sept 1751? I need help verifying that these are in fact the names of the parents on this record. What about grandparents' names? Anyone see those? http://culturacores.azores.gov.pt/biblioteca_digital/SMG-VF-SAOMIGUEL-B-1751-1758/SMG-VF-SAOMIGUEL-B-1751-1758_item1/P23.html -- For options, such as changing to List, Digest, Abridged, or No Mail (vacation) mode, log into your Google account and visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/Azores. Click in the blue area on the right that says Join this group and it will take you to Edit my membership. --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups Azores Genealogy group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to azores+un...@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/azores. -- Margaret M Vicente -- For options, such as changing to List, Digest, Abridged, or No Mail (vacation) mode, log into your Google account and visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/Azores. Click in the blue area on the right that says Join this group and it will take you to Edit my membership. --- You received this message because you are subscribed to a topic in the Google Groups Azores Genealogy group. To unsubscribe from this topic, visit https://groups.google.com/d/topic/azores/xqzNkH3jpaM/unsubscribe. To unsubscribe from this group and all its topics, send an email to azores+un...@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/azores. -- For options, such as changing to List, Digest, Abridged, or No Mail (vacation) mode, log into your Google account and visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/Azores. Click in the blue area on the right that says Join this group and it will take you to Edit my membership. --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups Azores Genealogy group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to azores+un...@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/azores. -- Margaret M Vicente -- For options, such as changing to
RE: [AZORES-Genealogy] Joam da Costa (Might be his birth record -- can't really read it) Help!
Also, Joseph, the thing to do is keep looking for children of both couples. See if there is anything that would eliminate them as the same people. Look for all godparents and see if any or all are the tios.Plus, you can see if the names found at marriage are in the ancestry of the parents you found by getting their ages at death. Keep looking for conflicting info to disqualify them. I'm sure you can work it out.I have certainly seen where one of the two used a different name, but both doing that is far more unusual.It seems to be your direct paternal line, so you've got to be up to the challenge.I found something in my own direct paternal line that was very disappointing - the marriage didn't name any parents. But thanks to the uncommon name of the groom, I was able to figure it out. Thanks to the more common name of the bride, I still have no certainty on her parents, but have a tentative guess that will be resolved once I finish tracing all the people in that entire village for that time period. You do what ya gotta do.Doug da Rocha HolmesSacramento, CaliforniaPico Terceira Genealogist916-550-1618www.dholmes.com Original Message Subject: Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Joam da Costa (Might be his birth record -- can't really read it) Help! From: JR jmro...@gmail.com Date: Sun, March 23, 2014 7:00 pm To: azores@googlegroups.com The PG 1736 marriage record does state the father is Antonio Rapozo. As I already said in my private message I also understand. My ancestor Joao da Roia married as Joao da Costa, yet every other record stated his name was Joao da Roia. He never used Costa again. I had a hard time finding him. But his father was clearly Antonio da Roia.Anyway check this record which lists Matheus da Costa and spouse Josepha Pacheco as godparents living in Ponta Garca. This would be right after they married.JRhttp://culturacores.azores.gov.pt/biblioteca_digital/SMG-VF-PONTAGARCA-B-1719-1739/SMG-VF-PONTAGARCA-B-1719-1739_item1/P199.htmlOn Sunday, March 23, 2014 9:46:30 PM UTC-4, Mara wrote:Understandably so, Joseph.On Sun, Mar 23, 2014 at 9:26 PM, Joseph Costa jwcos...@gmail.com wrote: I just am having great difficulty believing that the marriage record you have for Matheus Correia and Josefa Rezendes is actually my ancestors' marriage record. I still think that their marriage record is lost. On Mar 23, 2014, at 9:20 PM, Margaret Vicente margare...@gmail.com wrote: Joseph, my ancestry membership is now expired. I'm not sure I understand your note regarding the marriage record for Joao which reades he was wed on July 7-1783. The record states his parents were both deceased and so they were. Matheus died Sep 1st 1773 and Josefa died May 21st, 1788. On Sun, Mar 23, 2014 at 2:47 PM, Joseph Costa jwcos...@gmail.com wrote: Margaret and JR: Here is Joam da Costa's marriage record (my 4th great grandfather). He would be Antonio da Costa de Araujo's brother. Note that both parents (Matheus and Josefa) were dead at the time of this wedding: http://culturacores.azores.gov.pt/biblioteca_digital/SMG-VF-SAOMIGUEL-C-1763-1812/SMG-VF-SAOMIGUEL-C-1763-1812_item1/P185.htmlOn Thursday, March 20, 2014 2:45:13 PM UTC-4, Joseph Costa wrote: I think I may have found my 4th great grandfather's, Joam da Costa's, birth record, but I'm not sure. Per my previous post, he is the son of Matheus da Costa and Jozefa Pacheco (also appears as Pachequa or Pacheca). Can anyone read this. In the link below, it's on the right-hand page in the lower right corner. Looks like this is from Sept 1751? I need help verifying that these are in fact the names of the parents on this record. What about grandparents' names? Anyone see those?http://culturacores.azores.gov.pt/biblioteca_digital/SMG-VF-SAOMIGUEL-B-1751-1758/SMG-VF-SAOMIGUEL-B-1751-1758_item1/P23.html -- -- For options, such as changing to List, Digest, Abridged, or No Mail (vacation) mode, log into your Google account and visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/Azores. Click in the blue area on the right that says Join this group and it will take you to Edit my membership. --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups Azores Genealogy group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to azores+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/azores.
Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Joam da Costa (Might be his birth record -- can't really read it) Help!
Joseph, there is a Nicolao in this family. He descends from Josefa's brother Jose, that makes him her Grand Nephew. As for Joam, perhaps he's there, but we're looking in the wrong place; what date parameters should he be in? On Saturday, March 22, 2014 1:16:14 PM UTC-4, Joseph Costa wrote: Thank you Doug. I do see what you mean, and I now think that this does say Niculao, which means that this is not my ancestor. Still can't find my Joam. On Mar 22, 2014, at 11:38 AM, pi...@dholmes.com javascript: wrote: Hello Joseph, I couldn't resist your challenge. What is clear is the ao ending. That leaves one with a lot fewer choices for names. Expanding on that, it is pretty clear there is an l before the al and that now gives you lao and once you see that, you can see the u before the l and before the u you see a large C and there is nothing left to choose but Niculao and I am going with that. Moving over to the parents, the father is Mathias, not Matheus. So it's Matias da Costa and Josefa. But her second name is maybe Parobo and I don't recognize that as a real name. So for another reason, you must find another example from another child and hope it's more clear. As for Isabella's comment about legitimo I looked over the following baptisms from this priest and he isn't using that word on any of them. But what is lacking in your record is the phrase e de sua mulher (and of his wife) which is not in all the records, but in many of them. The ones where that phrase is lacking might mean those couples are not married, but there are so many that I doubt it. You would have to study all these couples and find or not find their marriages to see whether this priest is simply not consistent. You will see on page 0026 the baptism of a child named Agostinho and the father is another Niculao. Good luck! Doug da Rocha Holmes Sacramento, California Pico Terceira Genealogist 916-550-1618 www.dholmes.com Original Message Subject: [AZORES-Genealogy] Re: Joam da Costa (Might be his birth record -- can't really read it) Help! From: Isabella Baltar myportu...@gmail.com javascript: Date: Sat, March 22, 2014 5:12 am To: azo...@googlegroups.com javascript: I don't read neither Joam, nor legitimate. This is a very decorative penmanship and needs further study on this specific handwriting. I quiclkly went back and forth on some pages to check on the scriber writing and the way he writes Joam is very different from that one, the word legitimate as well is not present after his name. Joseph, I suggest you to research that book and try to find a similar pattern for that name, if you think this record is from your family. Isabella Baltar myportuguesegen.blogspot.com On Friday, March 21, 2014 6:55:25 AM UTC-4, Joseph Costa wrote: Thanks. I showed this to Joao Ventura and he doesn't think that it's a birth record for Joam, but rather Nicolao (or Nicolau). On Thursday, March 20, 2014 6:14:56 PM UTC-4, Dano wrote: Joseph, This is indeed difficult to read, but not impossible. Joam's name is mentioned at the beginning legitimate (abbrv) son of Mathias da Costa native of this freguesia of Sam Miguel of Villa Franca do Campo nasceo (was born) on the 4th day of the month of September 1751, and, was baptized in this same church of Sam Miguel, matriz of the aforementioned Villa, parish of his parents on the sixth day of the current month and year by me, Maoel de Medeiros , Curate of this matriz. Godfather was Mathias de Andrade, single, parishioner of this Matriz, and witnesses Pedro Corea, and Miguel Pereyra, and for the record I dated this day, month and as above. On Thursday, March 20, 2014 2:45:13 PM UTC-4, Joseph Costa wrote: I think I may have found my 4th great grandfather's, Joam da Costa's, birth record, but I'm not sure. Per my previous post, he is the son of Matheus da Costa and Jozefa Pacheco (also appears as Pachequa or Pacheca). Can anyone read this. In the link below, it's on the right-hand page in the lower right corner. Looks like this is from Sept 1751? I need help verifying that these are in fact the names of the parents on this record. What about grandparents' names? Anyone see those? http://culturacores.azores.gov.pt/biblioteca_digital/SMG-VF-SAOMIGUEL-B-1751-1758/SMG-VF-SAOMIGUEL-B-1751-1758_item1/P23.html -- -- For options, such as changing to List, Digest, Abridged, or No Mail (vacation) mode, log into your Google account and visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/Azores. Click in the blue area on the right that says Join this group and it will take you to Edit my membership. --- You received this message because you are subscribed to a topic in the Google Groups Azores Genealogy group. To unsubscribe from this topic,
