Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Francisco Furtado Laurenca of Ribeira das Tainhas on Sao Miguel island

[JR]

There is Jose Furtado Lourenco cc Maria da Conceicao, Feb 18- 1905; he is 
filho de Manuel Furtado Lourencia and Antonia Jacinta or Antonia Emilia [da 
Conceicao]; she is filha de Manuel Rodrigues Canadinha and Maria da 
Conceicao.

http://culturacores.azores.gov.pt/biblioteca_digital/SMG-VF-RIBEIRATAINHAS-C-1900-1905/SMG-VF-RIBEIRATAINHAS-C-1900-1905_item1/P53.html

No-2 He is 20, she is 18 yrs old.

You have to be careful with this line. It intertwines quite a bit.

JR

On Saturday, July 14, 2018 at 6:25:27 PM UTC-4, Cheryl Lawrence wrote:
>
> Thank you!  :)
>
> On Sat, Jul 14, 2018, 5:33 PM Cheri Mello > 
> wrote:
>
>> Yeah, if you figure out his parents, then you now have the 2nd wife's 
>> name :)
>>
>> Cheri Mello
>> Listowner, Azores-Gen
>> Researching: São Miguel island: Vila Franca, Ponta Garca, Ribeira Quente, 
>> Ribeira das Tainhas, Achada
>>
>> On Sat, Jul 14, 2018 at 2:13 PM, Joseph Mendonca > > wrote:
>>
>>> I have a Jose Furtado Laurenco from Ribeira das Tainhas and died circa 
>>> 1922.  He was married to Maria da Gloria Resendes who died circa 1918 and 
>>> he subsequently remarried to an unknown woman almost immediately and died 
>>> shortly thereafter.  Most of this information is from the recollection of 
>>> his grandson.  This could very well be a relative.  I'll have to remind the 
>>> grandson, who is in his seventies, to see if he can find his birth 
>>> certificate to determine if correctly remembers the name of his grandfather 
>>> just to double check.  I've asked before but it fell by the wayside as we 
>>> don't see each other too often.
>>>
>>> I'll make a note of this.
>>>
>>> Thanks Cheri,
>>>
>>> On Sat, Jul 14, 2018 at 4:08 PM, Cheri Mello >> > wrote:
>>>
 To whomever researches the Laurença family in Ribeira das Tainhas

 Francisco Furtado Laurença died 22 April 1922 in RdT, 78 years old, 
 married to Maria da Luz Rei, a native of Ponta Garça; he was the son of 
 Antonio Furtado Laurença and Ana Jacinta and was buried in the public 
 cemetery.


 Cheri Mello
 Listowner, Azores-Gen
 Researching: São Miguel island: Vila Franca, Ponta Garca, Ribeira 
 Quente, Ribeira das Tainhas, Achada

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Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Manuel Pimentel SEPO

[Mary Pimentel Wheeler]

Oops, sorry!  I’ll fix that.

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Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Help translating Pico Marriage of JosedaRosaCoelho and Marianna de Sao Jose

[Margaret Vicente]

Just took a peak and the baptisms before year 1815 are not available.

Please read Gayle's email re CITCEM.

COIXO could be a nickname or it is a name of foreign origin.



On Sat, Jul 14, 2018 at 9:57 PM  wrote:

> I will. I can not find the surname “Caixo” in the Sao Roque do Pico
> records in CITCEM. Do think it was a nickname? What does it mean?
>
>
>
> Sent from Mail  for
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> *From: *Margaret Vicente 
> *Sent: *Saturday, July 14, 2018 6:43 PM
> *To: *azores 
> *Subject: *Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Help translating Pico Marriage of
> JosedaRosaCoelho and Marianna de Sao Jose
>
>
>
> Doreen,
>
> This record states Jose is the son of this particular couple who are
> naturals of Santo Antonio's Parish.  If within the right time frame, It's
> likely, they are the same couple, however just make sure you find Jose's
> baptism to confirm.
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> On Sat, Jul 14, 2018 at 9:29 PM  wrote:
>
> Thank you Margaret Vicente. I have found a Matius Fialho Lopes in Santo
> Antonio. He has a second wife named Maria do Rosario but no son named Jose.
> He is the son of Matius Fialho Lopes. I think this is it but worry about
> not having the son’s birth record there. What do you think?
>
>
>
>
>
> Sent from Mail  for
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> *From: *Margaret Vicente 
> *Sent: *Saturday, July 14, 2018 6:26 PM
> *To: *azores 
> *Subject: *Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Help translating Pico Marriage of Jose
> daRosaCoelho and Marianna de Sao Jose
>
>
>
>
>
> Groom: Jose da Rosa Coelho
>
> Father: Matias Fialho Lopes! [already deceased]
>
> Mother: Maria do Rosario
>
>
>
> Bride: Mariana de Sao Jose
> Father: Jose Goncalves Coixo
> Mother: Madalena Rosa
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> On Sat, Jul 14, 2018 at 9:20 PM  wrote:
>
> Thanks’ That’s what I read. So now maybe that will give me a new lead.
> Also on this same record is the groom’s father’s name Matias Fialho or
> Matias Fialho Lopes?
>
>
>
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> *From: *'Gayle Machado' via Azores Genealogy 
> *Sent: *Saturday, July 14, 2018 4:41 PM
> *To: *azores@googlegroups.com
> *Subject: *Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Help translating Pico Marriage of Jose
> da RosaCoelho and Marianna de Sao Jose
>
>
>
> Doreen,
>
>
>
> I’m reading 2 of the 3 components in agreement with CITCEM. I see Jose
> Goncalves (Glz) Caixo. The database shows Coelho instead of Caixo. I’m
> looking at my smartphone. Maybe someone using a larger screen can clarify
> this record better for you.
>
>
>
> Gayle
>
>
> On Jul 14, 2018, at 4:04 PM,  <
> doreencaet...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> They were married in 5/15/1781 in Santa Luzia. The bride’s father name is
> where I have a question. Can some please read this and let me know, This is
> important because the tree ends here and this might be a new lead. It is
> the record at the bottom.
> http://culturacores.azores.gov.pt/biblioteca_digital/PIC-SR-SANTALUZIA-C-1735-1815/PIC-SR-SANTALUZIA-C-1735-1815_item1/P150.html
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> Thanks Doreen
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RE: [AZORES-Genealogy] Help translating Pico Marriage of JosedaRosaCoelho and Marianna de Sao Jose

[doreencaetano]

I will. I can not find the surname “Caixo” in the Sao Roque do Pico records in 
CITCEM. Do think it was a nickname? What does it mean?

Sent from Mail for Windows 10

From: Margaret Vicente
Sent: Saturday, July 14, 2018 6:43 PM
To: azores
Subject: Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Help translating Pico Marriage of 
JosedaRosaCoelho and Marianna de Sao Jose

Doreen, 
This record states Jose is the son of this particular couple who are naturals 
of Santo Antonio's Parish.  If within the right time frame, It's likely, they 
are the same couple, however just make sure you find Jose's baptism to confirm.




On Sat, Jul 14, 2018 at 9:29 PM  wrote:
Thank you Margaret Vicente. I have found a Matius Fialho Lopes in Santo 
Antonio. He has a second wife named Maria do Rosario but no son named Jose. He 
is the son of Matius Fialho Lopes. I think this is it but worry about not 
having the son’s birth record there. What do you think?
 
 
Sent from Mail for Windows 10
 
From: Margaret Vicente
Sent: Saturday, July 14, 2018 6:26 PM
To: azores
Subject: Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Help translating Pico Marriage of Jose 
daRosaCoelho and Marianna de Sao Jose
 
 
Groom: Jose da Rosa Coelho
Father: Matias Fialho Lopes! [already deceased]
Mother: Maria do Rosario
 
Bride: Mariana de Sao Jose
Father: Jose Goncalves Coixo
Mother: Madalena Rosa
 
 
 
On Sat, Jul 14, 2018 at 9:20 PM  wrote:
Thanks’ That’s what I read. So now maybe that will give me a new lead. Also on 
this same record is the groom’s father’s name Matias Fialho or Matias Fialho 
Lopes?
 
Sent from Mail for Windows 10
 
From: 'Gayle Machado' via Azores Genealogy
Sent: Saturday, July 14, 2018 4:41 PM
To: azores@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Help translating Pico Marriage of Jose da 
RosaCoelho and Marianna de Sao Jose
 
Doreen,
 
I’m reading 2 of the 3 components in agreement with CITCEM. I see Jose 
Goncalves (Glz) Caixo. The database shows Coelho instead of Caixo. I’m looking 
at my smartphone. Maybe someone using a larger screen can clarify this record 
better for you. 
 
Gayle

On Jul 14, 2018, at 4:04 PM,  
 wrote:
They were married in 5/15/1781 in Santa Luzia. The bride’s father name is where 
I have a question. Can some please read this and let me know, This is important 
because the tree ends here and this might be a new lead. It is the record at 
the bottom. 
http://culturacores.azores.gov.pt/biblioteca_digital/PIC-SR-SANTALUZIA-C-1735-1815/PIC-SR-SANTALUZIA-C-1735-1815_item1/P150.html
Thanks Doreen
 
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Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Help translating Pico Marriage of Jose daRosaCoelho and Marianna de Sao Jose

[Margaret Vicente]

Doreen,
This record states Jose is the son of this particular couple who are
naturals of Santo Antonio's Parish.  If within the right time frame, It's
likely, they are the same couple, however just make sure you find Jose's
baptism to confirm.




On Sat, Jul 14, 2018 at 9:29 PM  wrote:

> Thank you Margaret Vicente. I have found a Matius Fialho Lopes in Santo
> Antonio. He has a second wife named Maria do Rosario but no son named Jose.
> He is the son of Matius Fialho Lopes. I think this is it but worry about
> not having the son’s birth record there. What do you think?
>
>
>
>
>
> Sent from Mail  for
> Windows 10
>
>
>
> *From: *Margaret Vicente 
> *Sent: *Saturday, July 14, 2018 6:26 PM
> *To: *azores 
> *Subject: *Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Help translating Pico Marriage of Jose
> daRosaCoelho and Marianna de Sao Jose
>
>
>
>
>
> Groom: Jose da Rosa Coelho
>
> Father: Matias Fialho Lopes! [already deceased]
>
> Mother: Maria do Rosario
>
>
>
> Bride: Mariana de Sao Jose
> Father: Jose Goncalves Coixo
> Mother: Madalena Rosa
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> On Sat, Jul 14, 2018 at 9:20 PM  wrote:
>
> Thanks’ That’s what I read. So now maybe that will give me a new lead.
> Also on this same record is the groom’s father’s name Matias Fialho or
> Matias Fialho Lopes?
>
>
>
> Sent from Mail  for
> Windows 10
>
>
>
> *From: *'Gayle Machado' via Azores Genealogy 
> *Sent: *Saturday, July 14, 2018 4:41 PM
> *To: *azores@googlegroups.com
> *Subject: *Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Help translating Pico Marriage of Jose
> da RosaCoelho and Marianna de Sao Jose
>
>
>
> Doreen,
>
>
>
> I’m reading 2 of the 3 components in agreement with CITCEM. I see Jose
> Goncalves (Glz) Caixo. The database shows Coelho instead of Caixo. I’m
> looking at my smartphone. Maybe someone using a larger screen can clarify
> this record better for you.
>
>
>
> Gayle
>
>
> On Jul 14, 2018, at 4:04 PM,  <
> doreencaet...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> They were married in 5/15/1781 in Santa Luzia. The bride’s father name is
> where I have a question. Can some please read this and let me know, This is
> important because the tree ends here and this might be a new lead. It is
> the record at the bottom.
> http://culturacores.azores.gov.pt/biblioteca_digital/PIC-SR-SANTALUZIA-C-1735-1815/PIC-SR-SANTALUZIA-C-1735-1815_item1/P150.html
>
> Thanks Doreen
>
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Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Help translating Pico Marriage of Jose da RosaCoelho and Marianna de Sao Jose

[Margaret Vicente]

Groom: Jose da Rosa Coelho
Father: Matias Fialho Lopes! [already deceased]
Mother: Maria do Rosario

Bride: Mariana de Sao Jose
Father: Jose Goncalves Coixo
Mother: Madalena Rosa



On Sat, Jul 14, 2018 at 9:20 PM  wrote:

> Thanks’ That’s what I read. So now maybe that will give me a new lead.
> Also on this same record is the groom’s father’s name Matias Fialho or
> Matias Fialho Lopes?
>
>
>
> Sent from Mail  for
> Windows 10
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>
>
> *From: *'Gayle Machado' via Azores Genealogy 
> *Sent: *Saturday, July 14, 2018 4:41 PM
> *To: *azores@googlegroups.com
> *Subject: *Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Help translating Pico Marriage of Jose
> da RosaCoelho and Marianna de Sao Jose
>
>
>
> Doreen,
>
>
>
> I’m reading 2 of the 3 components in agreement with CITCEM. I see Jose
> Goncalves (Glz) Caixo. The database shows Coelho instead of Caixo. I’m
> looking at my smartphone. Maybe someone using a larger screen can clarify
> this record better for you.
>
>
>
> Gayle
>
>
> On Jul 14, 2018, at 4:04 PM,  <
> doreencaet...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> They were married in 5/15/1781 in Santa Luzia. The bride’s father name is
> where I have a question. Can some please read this and let me know, This is
> important because the tree ends here and this might be a new lead. It is
> the record at the bottom.
> http://culturacores.azores.gov.pt/biblioteca_digital/PIC-SR-SANTALUZIA-C-1735-1815/PIC-SR-SANTALUZIA-C-1735-1815_item1/P150.html
>
> Thanks Doreen
>
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Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Furnas, Sao Miguel-marriage record help

[Margaret Vicente]

Any time, Joseph.

On Sat, Jul 14, 2018 at 7:16 PM Joseph Mendonca 
wrote:

> Thanks again Margaret.  I checked the other records and you are correct.
>
> On Sat, Jul 14, 2018 at 6:50 PM, Margaret Vicente <
> margaretvice...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
>>
>> *tempus rectitum*
>>
>>
>> Joseph,
>>
>> It means, Correct Time.
>>
>> It must be Lent time, and as a result marriages in the period needed an
>> exemption to wed.  Check the other records in March,you will note the same
>> wording.
>>
>>
>> Sent from my iPhone
>>
>> On Jul 14, 2018, at 5:36 PM, Joseph Mendonca 
>> wrote:
>>
>> I need some help deciphering what the marriage impediment was for which
>> they received a dispensation.  Either I just can't make sense of it or I
>> suspect it is written in Latin.
>>
>> My guess is something like* "tempus rectitum"*.  That's what I see, but
>> it makes no sense to me.
>>
>> Right side, 7th line from top
>>
>>
>> http://culturacores.azores.gov.pt/biblioteca_digital/SMG-PV-FURNAS-C-1896-1897/SMG-PV-FURNAS-C-1896-1897_item1/P7.html
>>
>> Any help is appreciated as always,
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RE: [AZORES-Genealogy] Help translating Pico Marriage of Jose da RosaCoelho and Marianna de Sao Jose

[doreencaetano]

Thanks’ That’s what I read. So now maybe that will give me a new lead. Also on 
this same record is the groom’s father’s name Matias Fialho or Matias Fialho 
Lopes?

Sent from Mail for Windows 10

From: 'Gayle Machado' via Azores Genealogy
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RosaCoelho and Marianna de Sao Jose

Doreen,

I’m reading 2 of the 3 components in agreement with CITCEM. I see Jose 
Goncalves (Glz) Caixo. The database shows Coelho instead of Caixo. I’m looking 
at my smartphone. Maybe someone using a larger screen can clarify this record 
better for you. 

Gayle

On Jul 14, 2018, at 4:04 PM,  
 wrote:
They were married in 5/15/1781 in Santa Luzia. The bride’s father name is where 
I have a question. Can some please read this and let me know, This is important 
because the tree ends here and this might be a new lead. It is the record at 
the bottom. 
http://culturacores.azores.gov.pt/biblioteca_digital/PIC-SR-SANTALUZIA-C-1735-1815/PIC-SR-SANTALUZIA-C-1735-1815_item1/P150.html
Thanks Doreen
 
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Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Help translating Pico Marriage of Jose da Rosa Coelho and Marianna de Sao Jose

[Margaret Vicente]

Agree with Gayle Machado's reading except for the last name Is Coixo,
instead of Caixo.

Jose Goncalves Coixo.

On Sat, Jul 14, 2018 at 7:41 PM 'Gayle Machado' via Azores Genealogy <
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> Doreen,
>
> I’m reading 2 of the 3 components in agreement with CITCEM. I see Jose
> Goncalves (Glz) Caixo. The database shows Coelho instead of Caixo. I’m
> looking at my smartphone. Maybe someone using a larger screen can clarify
> this record better for you.
>
> Gayle
>
> On Jul 14, 2018, at 4:04 PM,  <
> doreencaet...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> They were married in 5/15/1781 in Santa Luzia. The bride’s father name is
> where I have a question. Can some please read this and let me know, This is
> important because the tree ends here and this might be a new lead. It is
> the record at the bottom.
> http://culturacores.azores.gov.pt/biblioteca_digital/PIC-SR-SANTALUZIA-C-1735-1815/PIC-SR-SANTALUZIA-C-1735-1815_item1/P150.html
>
> Thanks Doreen
>
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Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Help translating Pico Marriage of Jose da Rosa Coelho and Marianna de Sao Jose

['Gayle Machado' via Azores Genealogy]

Doreen,

I’m reading 2 of the 3 components in agreement with CITCEM. I see Jose 
Goncalves (Glz) Caixo. The database shows Coelho instead of Caixo. I’m looking 
at my smartphone. Maybe someone using a larger screen can clarify this record 
better for you. 

Gayle

> On Jul 14, 2018, at 4:04 PM,  
>  wrote:
> 
> They were married in 5/15/1781 in Santa Luzia. The bride’s father name is 
> where I have a question. Can some please read this and let me know, This is 
> important because the tree ends here and this might be a new lead. It is the 
> record at the bottom. 
> http://culturacores.azores.gov.pt/biblioteca_digital/PIC-SR-SANTALUZIA-C-1735-1815/PIC-SR-SANTALUZIA-C-1735-1815_item1/P150.html
> Thanks Doreen
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Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Furnas, Sao Miguel-marriage record help

[Joseph Mendonca]

Thanks again Margaret.  I checked the other records and you are correct.

On Sat, Jul 14, 2018 at 6:50 PM, Margaret Vicente  wrote:

>
> *tempus rectitum*
>
>
> Joseph,
>
> It means, Correct Time.
>
> It must be Lent time, and as a result marriages in the period needed an
> exemption to wed.  Check the other records in March,you will note the same
> wording.
>
>
> Sent from my iPhone
>
> On Jul 14, 2018, at 5:36 PM, Joseph Mendonca 
> wrote:
>
> I need some help deciphering what the marriage impediment was for which
> they received a dispensation.  Either I just can't make sense of it or I
> suspect it is written in Latin.
>
> My guess is something like* "tempus rectitum"*.  That's what I see, but
> it makes no sense to me.
>
> Right side, 7th line from top
>
> http://culturacores.azores.gov.pt/biblioteca_digital/SMG-
> PV-FURNAS-C-1896-1897/SMG-PV-FURNAS-C-1896-1897_item1/P7.html
>
> Any help is appreciated as always,
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[AZORES-Genealogy] Help translating Pico Marriage of Jose da Rosa Coelho and Marianna de Sao Jose

[doreencaetano]

They were married in 5/15/1781 in Santa Luzia. The bride’s father name is where 
I have a question. Can some please read this and let me know, This is important 
because the tree ends here and this might be a new lead. It is the record at 
the bottom. 
http://culturacores.azores.gov.pt/biblioteca_digital/PIC-SR-SANTALUZIA-C-1735-1815/PIC-SR-SANTALUZIA-C-1735-1815_item1/P150.html
Thanks Doreen

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Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Furnas, Sao Miguel-marriage record help

[Margaret Vicente]

> tempus rectitum

Joseph, 

It means, Correct Time.  

It must be Lent time, and as a result marriages in the period needed an 
exemption to wed.  Check the other records in March,you will note the same 
wording.


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> On Jul 14, 2018, at 5:36 PM, Joseph Mendonca  wrote:
> 
> I need some help deciphering what the marriage impediment was for which they 
> received a dispensation.  Either I just can't make sense of it or I suspect 
> it is written in Latin.
> 
> My guess is something like "tempus rectitum".  That's what I see, but it 
> makes no sense to me.
> 
> Right side, 7th line from top
> 
> http://culturacores.azores.gov.pt/biblioteca_digital/SMG-PV-FURNAS-C-1896-1897/SMG-PV-FURNAS-C-1896-1897_item1/P7.html
> 
> Any help is appreciated as always,
> 
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RE: [AZORES-Genealogy] Help Translating Santa Luzia Pico Marriagerecord of Jose Rodrigues Quadrado and Flora Jacinta

[doreencaetano]

Thank you.

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Marriagerecord of Jose Rodrigues Quadrado and Flora Jacinta

31 Jan 1811 for first marriage and 6 Feb 1814 for second one. 



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Bom Dia. I working on a relative’s tree. This portion is from Santa Luzia, 
Pico. Please let me know if Jose Rodrigues Quadrado’s parents are listed. It is 
the top record of the attached link. 
http://culturacores.azores.gov.pt/biblioteca_digital/PIC-SR-SANTALUZIA-C-1735-1815/PIC-SR-SANTALUZIA-C-1735-1815_item1/P276.html
 
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Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Francisco Furtado Laurenca of Ribeira das Tainhas on Sao Miguel island

[Cheri Mello]

Yeah, if you figure out his parents, then you now have the 2nd wife's name
:)

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Ribeira das Tainhas, Achada

On Sat, Jul 14, 2018 at 2:13 PM, Joseph Mendonca 
wrote:

> I have a Jose Furtado Laurenco from Ribeira das Tainhas and died circa
> 1922.  He was married to Maria da Gloria Resendes who died circa 1918 and
> he subsequently remarried to an unknown woman almost immediately and died
> shortly thereafter.  Most of this information is from the recollection of
> his grandson.  This could very well be a relative.  I'll have to remind the
> grandson, who is in his seventies, to see if he can find his birth
> certificate to determine if correctly remembers the name of his grandfather
> just to double check.  I've asked before but it fell by the wayside as we
> don't see each other too often.
>
> I'll make a note of this.
>
> Thanks Cheri,
>
> On Sat, Jul 14, 2018 at 4:08 PM, Cheri Mello  wrote:
>
>> To whomever researches the Laurença family in Ribeira das Tainhas
>>
>> Francisco Furtado Laurença died 22 April 1922 in RdT, 78 years old,
>> married to Maria da Luz Rei, a native of Ponta Garça; he was the son of
>> Antonio Furtado Laurença and Ana Jacinta and was buried in the public
>> cemetery.
>>
>>
>> Cheri Mello
>> Listowner, Azores-Gen
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>> Ribeira das Tainhas, Achada
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Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Help Translating Santa Luzia Pico Marriage record of Jose Rodrigues Quadrado and Flora Jacinta

['Gayle Machado' via Azores Genealogy]

31 Jan 1811 for first marriage and 6 Feb 1814 for second one. 



> On Jul 14, 2018, at 12:44 PM,  
>  wrote:
> 
> Bom Dia. I working on a relative’s tree. This portion is from Santa Luzia, 
> Pico. Please let me know if Jose Rodrigues Quadrado’s parents are listed. It 
> is the top record of the attached link. 
> http://culturacores.azores.gov.pt/biblioteca_digital/PIC-SR-SANTALUZIA-C-1735-1815/PIC-SR-SANTALUZIA-C-1735-1815_item1/P276.html
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Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Help Translating Santa Luzia Pico Marriage record of Jose Rodrigues Quadrado and Flora Jacinta

['Gayle Machado' via Azores Genealogy]

Doreen,

He is listed as the widower of Luisa Theodosia. Going over to CITCEM to double 
check, I found this marriage as well as the first. There his parents are listed 
as Manuel Rodrigues Quadrado and Maria des Candeias. I should have written down 
the earlier date. Will get back to you. 

Gayle

> On Jul 14, 2018, at 12:44 PM,  
>  wrote:
> 
> Bom Dia. I working on a relative’s tree. This portion is from Santa Luzia, 
> Pico. Please let me know if Jose Rodrigues Quadrado’s parents are listed. It 
> is the top record of the attached link. 
> http://culturacores.azores.gov.pt/biblioteca_digital/PIC-SR-SANTALUZIA-C-1735-1815/PIC-SR-SANTALUZIA-C-1735-1815_item1/P276.html
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Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Francisco Furtado Laurenca of Ribeira das Tainhas on Sao Miguel island

[Joseph Mendonca]

I have a Jose Furtado Laurenco from Ribeira das Tainhas and died circa
1922.  He was married to Maria da Gloria Resendes who died circa 1918 and
he subsequently remarried to an unknown woman almost immediately and died
shortly thereafter.  Most of this information is from the recollection of
his grandson.  This could very well be a relative.  I'll have to remind the
grandson, who is in his seventies, to see if he can find his birth
certificate to determine if correctly remembers the name of his grandfather
just to double check.  I've asked before but it fell by the wayside as we
don't see each other too often.

I'll make a note of this.

Thanks Cheri,

On Sat, Jul 14, 2018 at 4:08 PM, Cheri Mello  wrote:

> To whomever researches the Laurença family in Ribeira das Tainhas
>
> Francisco Furtado Laurença died 22 April 1922 in RdT, 78 years old,
> married to Maria da Luz Rei, a native of Ponta Garça; he was the son of
> Antonio Furtado Laurença and Ana Jacinta and was buried in the public
> cemetery.
>
>
> Cheri Mello
> Listowner, Azores-Gen
> Researching: São Miguel island: Vila Franca, Ponta Garca, Ribeira Quente,
> Ribeira das Tainhas, Achada
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[AZORES-Genealogy] Francisco Furtado Laurenca of Ribeira das Tainhas on Sao Miguel island

[Cheri Mello]

To whomever researches the Laurença family in Ribeira das Tainhas

Francisco Furtado Laurença died 22 April 1922 in RdT, 78 years old, married
to Maria da Luz Rei, a native of Ponta Garça; he was the son of Antonio
Furtado Laurença and Ana Jacinta and was buried in the public cemetery.


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Ribeira das Tainhas, Achada

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RE: [AZORES-Genealogy] Help Translating Santa Luzia Pico Marriagerecord of Jose Rodrigues Quadrado and Flora Jacinta

[doreencaetano]

Thanks

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From: Cheri Mello
Sent: Saturday, July 14, 2018 12:51 PM
To: Azores Genealogy
Subject: Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Help Translating Santa Luzia Pico 
Marriagerecord of Jose Rodrigues Quadrado and Flora Jacinta

Nope. Beginning of line 8:

Widower of Luiza Theodozia? (I think it's Theodozia)



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On Sat, Jul 14, 2018 at 12:44 PM,  wrote:
Bom Dia. I working on a relative’s tree. This portion is from Santa Luzia, 
Pico. Please let me know if Jose Rodrigues Quadrado’s parents are listed. It is 
the top record of the attached link. 
http://culturacores.azores.gov.pt/biblioteca_digital/PIC-SR-SANTALUZIA-C-1735-1815/PIC-SR-SANTALUZIA-C-1735-1815_item1/P276.html
 
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Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Researching in São Miguel

[Cheri Mello]

There's the 1st AND the 2nd papers. They MOSTLY say the same thing, but not
always. There's the Declaration of Intention the the Petition for
Citizenship. If Gloria got ALL the papers, she should have received both.
And if she asked for "any and all" she may have received even more.

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On Sat, Jul 14, 2018 at 12:07 PM, Rosemarie Capodicci 
wrote:

> Drives me nutso too! If you don't watch what you are typing it goes crazy!
> While proofing the Sao Jorge death records I keep seeing Luisa for Luis!
> I'm sure it's the autocorrect and not the typist!
>
> Rosemarie
> rcap...@gmail.com
> Researching Sao Jorge, Terceira, Graciosa, Faial and Pico, Azores,
> Isola delle Femmine, Sant' Elia, Sicily
>
> On Sat, Jul 14, 2018 at 12:05 PM, 'Gayle Machado' via Azores Genealogy <
> azores@googlegroups.com> wrote:
>
>> Correction: grandparents’ naturalization
>>
>> Darn that auto correct feature. ☺️
>>
>> On Jul 14, 2018, at 11:25 AM, Gayle Machado  wrote:
>>
>> Gloria,
>>
>> I’m a little late to this thread , so forgive me if my comment has
>> already been made. But, I noticed your comment about your grandparents’
>> naturalized. If your grandfather naturalized before 1922, his wife and
>> children also became citizens without additional paperwork.
>>
>> Gayle
>>
>> On Jul 13, 2018, at 4:29 PM, Gloria Thompson 
>> wrote:
>>
>> Rosemarie C
>> My grandfather did become a citizen but my grandmother did not. I have
>> copies of all my grandfathers naturalization papers and there is not much
>> help when it comes to information on my grandmother. As far as the birth
>> certificates on my mother and her siblings. They were very generic showing
>> just Sao Miguel Azores.
>> Their marriage certificate states he was from Sao Jose and she from
>> Mosteiros.
>>
>> I just get so confused when looking for documents on tombo.pt. I don’t
>> speak or read Portuguese.
>>
>> Thank you
>> Gloria T
>>
>> On Fri, Jul 13, 2018 at 4:16 PM Rosemarie Capodicci 
>> wrote:
>>
>>> Gloria, you really need to do more research in the USA, naturalization
>>> if they/either one became a citizen, Alien records if not, baptisms of the
>>> children may have the home village. As Cheri and others have said over the
>>> years, Sao Miguel is a big island and has many villages. You did say they
>>> married in Mass. so I'm surprised that the civil and church record did not
>>> have the home village.
>>>
>>> Rosemarie
>>> rcap...@gmail.com
>>> Researching Sao Jorge, Terceira, Graciosa, Faial and Pico, Azores,
>>> Isola delle Femmine, Sant' Elia, Sicily
>>>
>>> On Fri, Jul 13, 2018 at 12:37 PM, Hana Johnson 
>>> wrote:
>>>
 Maria d'Aguiar of this passport record was 16 years old and single. It
 does not make clear that she was traveling with family. She could have met
 up with family in the Americas. Assuming that her birth date of November 1,
 1899 is correct, your ancestor would have been 13 years old if she had
 sailed on or around the date of July 23, 1913. The numbers do not match up.

 On Fri, Jul 13, 2018 at 5:48 AM, "E" Sharp 
 wrote:

> *Gloria,*
>
> *Do you think this could be them?  There is a Maria Aguiar and Antonio
> Martins listed on the same Passportes page:*
>
> http://www.culturacores.azores.gov.pt/biblioteca_digital/
> PASSAPORTES-PDL-1913-1915/PASSAPORTES-PDL-1913-1915_item1/P62.html
>
> July 23, 1913 - Maria Aguiar is #1625 from Ginetes and Antonio
> (Antone) Martins is#1635 from S. Antonio.
>
> "E"
>
>
>
>
>
> On Fri, Jul 13, 2018 at 8:32 AM, "E" Sharp 
> wrote:
>
>> Cherei, OK, easier than I thought now for the
>> searching.that's the ugh part for me.
>>
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Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Help Translating Santa Luzia Pico Marriage record of Jose Rodrigues Quadrado and Flora Jacinta

[Cheri Mello]

Nope. Beginning of line 8:

Widower of Luiza Theodozia? (I think it's Theodozia)


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> Bom Dia. I working on a relative’s tree. This portion is from Santa Luzia,
> Pico. Please let me know if Jose Rodrigues Quadrado’s parents are listed.
> It is the top record of the attached link. http://culturacores.azores.
> gov.pt/biblioteca_digital/PIC-SR-SANTALUZIA-C-1735-1815/PIC-
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[AZORES-Genealogy] Help Translating Santa Luzia Pico Marriage record of Jose Rodrigues Quadrado and Flora Jacinta

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Bom Dia. I working on a relative’s tree. This portion is from Santa Luzia, 
Pico. Please let me know if Jose Rodrigues Quadrado’s parents are listed. It is 
the top record of the attached link. 
http://culturacores.azores.gov.pt/biblioteca_digital/PIC-SR-SANTALUZIA-C-1735-1815/PIC-SR-SANTALUZIA-C-1735-1815_item1/P276.html

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Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Researching in São Miguel

[Rosemarie Capodicci]

Drives me nutso too! If you don't watch what you are typing it goes crazy!
While proofing the Sao Jorge death records I keep seeing Luisa for Luis!
I'm sure it's the autocorrect and not the typist!

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On Sat, Jul 14, 2018 at 12:05 PM, 'Gayle Machado' via Azores Genealogy <
azores@googlegroups.com> wrote:

> Correction: grandparents’ naturalization
>
> Darn that auto correct feature. ☺️
>
> On Jul 14, 2018, at 11:25 AM, Gayle Machado  wrote:
>
> Gloria,
>
> I’m a little late to this thread , so forgive me if my comment has already
> been made. But, I noticed your comment about your grandparents’
> naturalized. If your grandfather naturalized before 1922, his wife and
> children also became citizens without additional paperwork.
>
> Gayle
>
> On Jul 13, 2018, at 4:29 PM, Gloria Thompson 
> wrote:
>
> Rosemarie C
> My grandfather did become a citizen but my grandmother did not. I have
> copies of all my grandfathers naturalization papers and there is not much
> help when it comes to information on my grandmother. As far as the birth
> certificates on my mother and her siblings. They were very generic showing
> just Sao Miguel Azores.
> Their marriage certificate states he was from Sao Jose and she from
> Mosteiros.
>
> I just get so confused when looking for documents on tombo.pt. I don’t
> speak or read Portuguese.
>
> Thank you
> Gloria T
>
> On Fri, Jul 13, 2018 at 4:16 PM Rosemarie Capodicci 
> wrote:
>
>> Gloria, you really need to do more research in the USA, naturalization if
>> they/either one became a citizen, Alien records if not, baptisms of the
>> children may have the home village. As Cheri and others have said over the
>> years, Sao Miguel is a big island and has many villages. You did say they
>> married in Mass. so I'm surprised that the civil and church record did not
>> have the home village.
>>
>> Rosemarie
>> rcap...@gmail.com
>> Researching Sao Jorge, Terceira, Graciosa, Faial and Pico, Azores,
>> Isola delle Femmine, Sant' Elia, Sicily
>>
>> On Fri, Jul 13, 2018 at 12:37 PM, Hana Johnson 
>> wrote:
>>
>>> Maria d'Aguiar of this passport record was 16 years old and single. It
>>> does not make clear that she was traveling with family. She could have met
>>> up with family in the Americas. Assuming that her birth date of November 1,
>>> 1899 is correct, your ancestor would have been 13 years old if she had
>>> sailed on or around the date of July 23, 1913. The numbers do not match up.
>>>
>>> On Fri, Jul 13, 2018 at 5:48 AM, "E" Sharp  wrote:
>>>
 *Gloria,*

 *Do you think this could be them?  There is a Maria Aguiar and Antonio
 Martins listed on the same Passportes page:*

 http://www.culturacores.azores.gov.pt/biblioteca_
 digital/PASSAPORTES-PDL-1913-1915/PASSAPORTES-PDL-1913-
 1915_item1/P62.html

 July 23, 1913 - Maria Aguiar is #1625 from Ginetes and Antonio (Antone)
 Martins is#1635 from S. Antonio.

 "E"





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> the ugh part for me.
>
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Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Researching in São Miguel

['Gayle Machado' via Azores Genealogy]

Correction: grandparents’ naturalization 

Darn that auto correct feature. ☺️

> On Jul 14, 2018, at 11:25 AM, Gayle Machado  wrote:
> 
> Gloria,
> 
> I’m a little late to this thread , so forgive me if my comment has already 
> been made. But, I noticed your comment about your grandparents’ naturalized. 
> If your grandfather naturalized before 1922, his wife and children also 
> became citizens without additional paperwork. 
> 
> Gayle
> 
>> On Jul 13, 2018, at 4:29 PM, Gloria Thompson  
>> wrote:
>> 
>> Rosemarie C
>> My grandfather did become a citizen but my grandmother did not. I have 
>> copies of all my grandfathers naturalization papers and there is not much 
>> help when it comes to information on my grandmother. As far as the birth 
>> certificates on my mother and her siblings. They were very generic showing 
>> just Sao Miguel Azores. 
>> Their marriage certificate states he was from Sao Jose and she from 
>> Mosteiros. 
>> 
>> I just get so confused when looking for documents on tombo.pt. I don’t speak 
>> or read Portuguese. 
>> 
>> Thank you
>> Gloria T
>> 
>>> On Fri, Jul 13, 2018 at 4:16 PM Rosemarie Capodicci  
>>> wrote:
>>> Gloria, you really need to do more research in the USA, naturalization if 
>>> they/either one became a citizen, Alien records if not, baptisms of the 
>>> children may have the home village. As Cheri and others have said over the 
>>> years, Sao Miguel is a big island and has many villages. You did say they 
>>> married in Mass. so I'm surprised that the civil and church record did not 
>>> have the home village. 
>>> 
>>> Rosemarie
>>> rcap...@gmail.com
>>> Researching Sao Jorge, Terceira, Graciosa, Faial and Pico, Azores,
>>> Isola delle Femmine, Sant' Elia, Sicily
>>> 
 On Fri, Jul 13, 2018 at 12:37 PM, Hana Johnson  wrote:
>>> 
 Maria d'Aguiar of this passport record was 16 years old and single. It 
 does not make clear that she was traveling with family. She could have met 
 up with family in the Americas. Assuming that her birth date of November 
 1, 1899 is correct, your ancestor would have been 13 years old if she had 
 sailed on or around the date of July 23, 1913. The numbers do not match up.
 
> On Fri, Jul 13, 2018 at 5:48 AM, "E" Sharp  wrote:
> Gloria,
> 
> Do you think this could be them?  There is a Maria Aguiar and Antonio 
> Martins listed on the same Passportes page:
> 
> http://www.culturacores.azores.gov.pt/biblioteca_digital/PASSAPORTES-PDL-1913-1915/PASSAPORTES-PDL-1913-1915_item1/P62.html
> 
> July 23, 1913 - Maria Aguiar is #1625 from Ginetes and Antonio (Antone) 
> Martins is#1635 from S. Antonio.  
> 
> "E" 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
>> On Fri, Jul 13, 2018 at 8:32 AM, "E" Sharp  wrote:
>> Cherei, OK, easier than I thought now for the searching.that's 
>> the ugh part for me.
>> 
>> "E"
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Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Researching in São Miguel

[Rosemarie Capodicci]

Gloria, Gayle is right about prior to 1922 all of the family under 18
(usually) became citizens along with DAD. When you say you have all his
Nat. papers, was it after 1906 and if so did you ask for his Declaratioin
of Intention? That is the paper (after 1906 when the Feds took over) that
will have the most info not just his Naturalization paper.

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On Sat, Jul 14, 2018 at 11:25 AM, 'Gayle Machado' via Azores Genealogy <
azores@googlegroups.com> wrote:

> Gloria,
>
> I’m a little late to this thread , so forgive me if my comment has already
> been made. But, I noticed your comment about your grandparents’
> naturalized. If your grandfather naturalized before 1922, his wife and
> children also became citizens without additional paperwork.
>
> Gayle
>
> On Jul 13, 2018, at 4:29 PM, Gloria Thompson 
> wrote:
>
> Rosemarie C
> My grandfather did become a citizen but my grandmother did not. I have
> copies of all my grandfathers naturalization papers and there is not much
> help when it comes to information on my grandmother. As far as the birth
> certificates on my mother and her siblings. They were very generic showing
> just Sao Miguel Azores.
> Their marriage certificate states he was from Sao Jose and she from
> Mosteiros.
>
> I just get so confused when looking for documents on tombo.pt. I don’t
> speak or read Portuguese.
>
> Thank you
> Gloria T
>
> On Fri, Jul 13, 2018 at 4:16 PM Rosemarie Capodicci 
> wrote:
>
>> Gloria, you really need to do more research in the USA, naturalization if
>> they/either one became a citizen, Alien records if not, baptisms of the
>> children may have the home village. As Cheri and others have said over the
>> years, Sao Miguel is a big island and has many villages. You did say they
>> married in Mass. so I'm surprised that the civil and church record did not
>> have the home village.
>>
>> Rosemarie
>> rcap...@gmail.com
>> Researching Sao Jorge, Terceira, Graciosa, Faial and Pico, Azores,
>> Isola delle Femmine, Sant' Elia, Sicily
>>
>> On Fri, Jul 13, 2018 at 12:37 PM, Hana Johnson 
>> wrote:
>>
>>> Maria d'Aguiar of this passport record was 16 years old and single. It
>>> does not make clear that she was traveling with family. She could have met
>>> up with family in the Americas. Assuming that her birth date of November 1,
>>> 1899 is correct, your ancestor would have been 13 years old if she had
>>> sailed on or around the date of July 23, 1913. The numbers do not match up.
>>>
>>> On Fri, Jul 13, 2018 at 5:48 AM, "E" Sharp  wrote:
>>>
 *Gloria,*

 *Do you think this could be them?  There is a Maria Aguiar and Antonio
 Martins listed on the same Passportes page:*

 http://www.culturacores.azores.gov.pt/biblioteca_
 digital/PASSAPORTES-PDL-1913-1915/PASSAPORTES-PDL-1913-
 1915_item1/P62.html

 July 23, 1913 - Maria Aguiar is #1625 from Ginetes and Antonio (Antone)
 Martins is#1635 from S. Antonio.

 "E"





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> Cherei, OK, easier than I thought now for the searching.that's
> the ugh part for me.
>
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Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Researching in São Miguel

['Gayle Machado' via Azores Genealogy]

Gloria,

I’m a little late to this thread , so forgive me if my comment has already been 
made. But, I noticed your comment about your grandparents’ naturalized. If your 
grandfather naturalized before 1922, his wife and children also became citizens 
without additional paperwork. 

Gayle

> On Jul 13, 2018, at 4:29 PM, Gloria Thompson  
> wrote:
> 
> Rosemarie C
> My grandfather did become a citizen but my grandmother did not. I have copies 
> of all my grandfathers naturalization papers and there is not much help when 
> it comes to information on my grandmother. As far as the birth certificates 
> on my mother and her siblings. They were very generic showing just Sao Miguel 
> Azores. 
> Their marriage certificate states he was from Sao Jose and she from 
> Mosteiros. 
> 
> I just get so confused when looking for documents on tombo.pt. I don’t speak 
> or read Portuguese. 
> 
> Thank you
> Gloria T
> 
>> On Fri, Jul 13, 2018 at 4:16 PM Rosemarie Capodicci  
>> wrote:
>> Gloria, you really need to do more research in the USA, naturalization if 
>> they/either one became a citizen, Alien records if not, baptisms of the 
>> children may have the home village. As Cheri and others have said over the 
>> years, Sao Miguel is a big island and has many villages. You did say they 
>> married in Mass. so I'm surprised that the civil and church record did not 
>> have the home village. 
>> 
>> Rosemarie
>> rcap...@gmail.com
>> Researching Sao Jorge, Terceira, Graciosa, Faial and Pico, Azores,
>> Isola delle Femmine, Sant' Elia, Sicily
>> 
>>> On Fri, Jul 13, 2018 at 12:37 PM, Hana Johnson  wrote:
>> 
>>> Maria d'Aguiar of this passport record was 16 years old and single. It does 
>>> not make clear that she was traveling with family. She could have met up 
>>> with family in the Americas. Assuming that her birth date of November 1, 
>>> 1899 is correct, your ancestor would have been 13 years old if she had 
>>> sailed on or around the date of July 23, 1913. The numbers do not match up.
>>> 
 On Fri, Jul 13, 2018 at 5:48 AM, "E" Sharp  wrote:
 Gloria,
 
 Do you think this could be them?  There is a Maria Aguiar and Antonio 
 Martins listed on the same Passportes page:
 
 http://www.culturacores.azores.gov.pt/biblioteca_digital/PASSAPORTES-PDL-1913-1915/PASSAPORTES-PDL-1913-1915_item1/P62.html
 
 July 23, 1913 - Maria Aguiar is #1625 from Ginetes and Antonio (Antone) 
 Martins is#1635 from S. Antonio.  
 
 "E" 
 
 
 
 
 
> On Fri, Jul 13, 2018 at 8:32 AM, "E" Sharp  wrote:
> Cherei, OK, easier than I thought now for the searching.that's 
> the ugh part for me.
> 
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Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Re: Joao Moreira from Sao Miguel island, late 1800s

[Cheri Mello]

Got to a computer. Here's a how-to on "reading" (bumbling) your way through
the documents: https://goo.gl/4Tzc2i

Cheri Mello
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Ribeira das Tainhas, Achada

On Sat, Jul 14, 2018 at 7:45 AM, Cheri Mello  wrote:

> I would say Maia. The document was probably misread.
>
> Go to Tombo.pt (click on the British flag if you need to navigate in
> English). Scroll down the left column to Azores/Açores, then Sao Miguel
> island, then Ribeira Grande, then Maia. Go to 1868 and start looking for
> your ancestor born to those parents. You may need to broaden your search to
> a year or 2 before or a year or 2 after.
>
> If you don't read Portuguese, there's a guide on the Azores Genweb to help
> you bumble your way through. When I get back to my computer, I will provide
> the link. Or maybe someone will beat me to it.
> Cheri
>
> On Jul 14, 2018 6:49 AM, "Sharie Swatek"  wrote:
>
>> I have found an immigration document showing John Moreira retuning
>> through Boston from St Michaels,in this document his birth place is listed
>> as Maid. He is listing Rhode Island as home and this fits my other records
>>
>> His birthday is about 1868 and parents are listed on his last child’s
>> birth certificate as violante A. And Joao Moreira.
>>
>> Is Maid, Maia? What would I do next to see if I can find more info?
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Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Re: Joao Moreira from Sao Miguel island, late 1800s

[Cheri Mello]

I would say Maia. The document was probably misread.

Go to Tombo.pt (click on the British flag if you need to navigate in
English). Scroll down the left column to Azores/Açores, then Sao Miguel
island, then Ribeira Grande, then Maia. Go to 1868 and start looking for
your ancestor born to those parents. You may need to broaden your search to
a year or 2 before or a year or 2 after.

If you don't read Portuguese, there's a guide on the Azores Genweb to help
you bumble your way through. When I get back to my computer, I will provide
the link. Or maybe someone will beat me to it.
Cheri

On Jul 14, 2018 6:49 AM, "Sharie Swatek"  wrote:

> I have found an immigration document showing John Moreira retuning through
> Boston from St Michaels,in this document his birth place is listed as Maid.
> He is listing Rhode Island as home and this fits my other records
>
> His birthday is about 1868 and parents are listed on his last child’s
> birth certificate as violante A. And Joao Moreira.
>
> Is Maid, Maia? What would I do next to see if I can find more info?
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Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Re: Joao Moreira from Sao Miguel island, late 1800s

[Sharie Swatek]

I have found an immigration document showing John Moreira retuning through 
Boston from St Michaels,in this document his birth place is listed as Maid. He 
is listing Rhode Island as home and this fits my other records

His birthday is about 1868 and parents are listed on his last child’s birth 
certificate as violante A. And Joao Moreira.

Is Maid, Maia? What would I do next to see if I can find more info?

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Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Researching in São Miguel

[Cheri Mello]

Gloria T,
The link I provided explains the naturalization process with both 1st & 2nd
papers. You have already written and received from the USCIS the FULL
naturalization packet?

Mosteiros is a different freguesia than Ginetes. Just like Las Vegas is a
different city than Reno. You are going to have to decide if she is from
Ginetes as Elaine found on the passenger list or Mosteiros that you found
on the marriage in America. On the marriage in America, the bride and groom
are providing the info. Sao Jose is a church in the city of Ponta Delgada.
I'm staying not to far from it and walk by it everyday.

The link that I provided also explains how to bumble your way through the
records and provides key phrases. We are have a conference in June of 2019
(next year) where we will teach how to work Tombo.pt and "read" the
records. You should go. You would learn a lot and have fun with us.

Also on the link I provided is a list of researchers for hire if you don't
want to do it yourself. None of them would be able to "finish" your tree in
a month however. They are probably working with other clients and would get
to you in the order that they serve their clients.
Cheri


On Jul 14, 2018 2:11 AM, "Gloria Thompson" 
wrote:

Rosemarie C
My grandfather did become a citizen but my grandmother did not. I have
copies of all my grandfathers naturalization papers and there is not much
help when it comes to information on my grandmother. As far as the birth
certificates on my mother and her siblings. They were very generic showing
just Sao Miguel Azores.
Their marriage certificate states he was from Sao Jose and she from
Mosteiros.

I just get so confused when looking for documents on tombo.pt. I don’t
speak or read Portuguese.

Thank you
Gloria T

On Fri, Jul 13, 2018 at 4:16 PM Rosemarie Capodicci 
wrote:

> Gloria, you really need to do more research in the USA, naturalization if
> they/either one became a citizen, Alien records if not, baptisms of the
> children may have the home village. As Cheri and others have said over the
> years, Sao Miguel is a big island and has many villages. You did say they
> married in Mass. so I'm surprised that the civil and church record did not
> have the home village.
>
> Rosemarie
> rcap...@gmail.com
> Researching Sao Jorge, Terceira, Graciosa, Faial and Pico, Azores,
> Isola delle Femmine, Sant' Elia, Sicily
>
> On Fri, Jul 13, 2018 at 12:37 PM, Hana Johnson  wrote:
>
>> Maria d'Aguiar of this passport record was 16 years old and single. It
>> does not make clear that she was traveling with family. She could have met
>> up with family in the Americas. Assuming that her birth date of November 1,
>> 1899 is correct, your ancestor would have been 13 years old if she had
>> sailed on or around the date of July 23, 1913. The numbers do not match up.
>>
>> On Fri, Jul 13, 2018 at 5:48 AM, "E" Sharp  wrote:
>>
>>> *Gloria,*
>>>
>>> *Do you think this could be them?  There is a Maria Aguiar and Antonio
>>> Martins listed on the same Passportes page:*
>>>
>>> http://www.culturacores.azores.gov.pt/biblioteca_
>>> digital/PASSAPORTES-PDL-1913-1915/PASSAPORTES-PDL-1913-
>>> 1915_item1/P62.html
>>>
>>> July 23, 1913 - Maria Aguiar is #1625 from Ginetes and Antonio (Antone)
>>> Martins is#1635 from S. Antonio.
>>>
>>> "E"
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> On Fri, Jul 13, 2018 at 8:32 AM, "E" Sharp  wrote:
>>>
 Cherei, OK, easier than I thought now for the searching.that's
 the ugh part for me.

 "E"

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Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Re: AZORES-Genealogy] Researching in São Miguel

[bill2232 via Azores Genealogy]

Gloria,


Dates and places can be very misleading when doing research.
Here is what the US Census and City directories show for Maria / Mary Antone 
and their family.


1920  New Bedford  b 1897 immigrated 1909   
1930 Passaic, NJ   b 1898  Immigrated 1912 ( Yes this is them )
1940 New Bedford  b 1898
1949 Fairhaven   ( Still working at K Mills ) Living at 29 Alpine St 


Death Cert   1950 d Merced CAb  Nov 1, 1898 


These are for her family as they all list the children also, but as you can see,
 birth years  and immigration years can change. 


I did not find any intention to become a citizen or naturalization record as 
this would tell her birth town in the Azores.
And I did not find her on any passenger list 


Hope this helps 


Bill C


-Original Message-
From: joaquin mendonca 
To: azores 
Sent: Fri, Jul 13, 2018 2:07 pm
Subject: [AZORES-Genealogy] Re: AZORES-Genealogy] Researching in São Miguel


The name of cemetery is hills ferry instead of hill view
Joaquin

joaquin mendonca  wrote:
Since they lived in newman, there are probably buried at hill view cemetery. 
Some cemetery records will show aalot of genealogy data. There may be comments 
left by individuals. Worth checking.
Joaquin mendonca

Gloria Thompson  wrote:

“E” Sharp

My past research for my grandmother have been unsuccessful. I would appreciate 
any help you can give me. 
I have the census with my grandparents along with an actual copy of there 
marriage certificate. 
I can forward you these documents if you would like. 
Names:
Antone Souza Martin(s)25 Sep 1893; d 25 Oct 1968
Maria Conceicao Aguiar 1Nov 1899; d 13 Apr 1950
Both born in São Miguel, died Calif USA
Married 9 May 1914, Fall River, Mass
Maternal Father: Manuel S Aguiar
Maternal Mother: Maria C Conceicao 
Her parents never came to the US as far as I know. 


My grandparents settled in New Bedford, Massachusetts and this is where all 
their children were born.   All but one brother moved to Newman, California in 
the late 1940’s. 
Children’s Names:
Manuel Sousa Martin; b 05 Mar 1918: d 30 May 1985
Arthur Souza Martin; b 16 Feb 1932: d 24 Jan 1965
Henry Souza Martin; b 21 Nov 1926: d 22 Mar 1981
Eugene Souza Martin: b 11 May 1929: d 03 Mar 1956
Dorothy Martin: b 23 Apr 1931: 24 Jul 2017


Thank you
Gloria T


On Thu, Jul 12, 2018 at 2:22 PM "E" Sharp  wrote:


I will try and help you but I need more information.  Where did she live in the 
US?  What was her husband's name and/or parent's names.  Children's names?



"E"



On Thu, Jul 12, 2018 at 2:03 PM, Gloria Thompson  
wrote:

Thank you Cheri. 
I will look into the websites you sent to me. 


Gloria

On Thursday, July 12, 2018, Cheri Mello  wrote:


Gloria T,


You need to do more research in the U.S. (I assume) before jumping over to 
Europe. No, the archive has no type of island index. Everything in Europe 
(including Portugal and the Azores) is organized on the village level. You will 
find multiple Marias in all 70 churches on Sao Miguel. The records for 1899 are 
online at tombo.pt/en


You need Maria's birthplace and most likely her parents' names. For a list of 
ideas of where to start, try this: https://goo.gl/dGG4Ar



You really need census work to see if you can figure out her immigration year. 
From that, you might be able to use the Passaportes LEAVING the Azores. 
However, the port of Ponta Delgada has missing records. So you may still need 
to use the other sources that I posted in the URL above.


Good luck,
Cheri





Cheri Mello
Listowner, Azores-Gen
Researching: São Miguel island: Vila Franca, Ponta Garca, Ribeira Quente, 
Ribeira das Tainhas, Achada



On Thu, Jul 12, 2018 at 1:46 PM, Gloria Thompson  
wrote:

I will be in Ponta Delgado on Aug 16 thru the 20th. 
I have not been able to find my maternal grandmother. Her name is Maria 
Conceicao Aguiar. Born November 1, 1899 in São Miguel. I have no other 
information. Is there an index at the Bibliciao Archivo for me to look through 
or is there somewhere online. 
Please advise
Thank you
Gloria Thompson 

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Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Researching in São Miguel

[Gloria Thompson]

Cheri
It also states she is from Mosteiros.
If Ginetes is the freguesia, what is Mosteiros?
Sorry for all these questions. I do appreciate all this help I have been
getting from everyone who has responded.

Gloria T

On Fri, Jul 13, 2018 at 3:07 PM Cheri Mello  wrote:

> Gloria T,
> I don't know. Elaine said you had all the info. So if you know your
> ancestor is from Ginetes, then that's your freguesia. Go to Tombo.pt on the
> date you have for Ginetes and find a few Marias.
>
> You ancestor has a common name. I can find a few of them within 3 or 4
> years of what you think your parameters are.
>
> Please read the article in the first response that I provided to you.
> Cheri
>
>
> On Jul 13, 2018 3:00 PM, "Gloria Thompson" 
> wrote:
>
> Cheri
> Is Ginetes the freguesia?
>
> Gloria T
>
> On Fri, Jul 13, 2018 at 2:12 PM Cheri Mello  wrote:
>
>> Great, as long as she has the freguesia, she can look stuff up on
>> Tombo.pt :)
>>
>> Cheri Mello
>> Listowner, Azores-Gen
>> Researching: São Miguel island: Vila Franca, Ponta Garca, Ribeira Quente,
>> Ribeira das Tainhas, Achada
>>
>> On Fri, Jul 13, 2018 at 1:11 PM, E. Sharp  wrote:
>>
>>> Well I was trying to help. I have been corresponding with her off list
>>> and she does have the information she was seeking.
>>>
>>> "E"
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Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Researching in São Miguel

[Gloria Thompson]

Rosemarie C
My grandfather did become a citizen but my grandmother did not. I have
copies of all my grandfathers naturalization papers and there is not much
help when it comes to information on my grandmother. As far as the birth
certificates on my mother and her siblings. They were very generic showing
just Sao Miguel Azores.
Their marriage certificate states he was from Sao Jose and she from
Mosteiros.

I just get so confused when looking for documents on tombo.pt. I don’t
speak or read Portuguese.

Thank you
Gloria T

On Fri, Jul 13, 2018 at 4:16 PM Rosemarie Capodicci 
wrote:

> Gloria, you really need to do more research in the USA, naturalization if
> they/either one became a citizen, Alien records if not, baptisms of the
> children may have the home village. As Cheri and others have said over the
> years, Sao Miguel is a big island and has many villages. You did say they
> married in Mass. so I'm surprised that the civil and church record did not
> have the home village.
>
> Rosemarie
> rcap...@gmail.com
> Researching Sao Jorge, Terceira, Graciosa, Faial and Pico, Azores,
> Isola delle Femmine, Sant' Elia, Sicily
>
> On Fri, Jul 13, 2018 at 12:37 PM, Hana Johnson  wrote:
>
>> Maria d'Aguiar of this passport record was 16 years old and single. It
>> does not make clear that she was traveling with family. She could have met
>> up with family in the Americas. Assuming that her birth date of November 1,
>> 1899 is correct, your ancestor would have been 13 years old if she had
>> sailed on or around the date of July 23, 1913. The numbers do not match up.
>>
>> On Fri, Jul 13, 2018 at 5:48 AM, "E" Sharp  wrote:
>>
>>> *Gloria,*
>>>
>>> *Do you think this could be them?  There is a Maria Aguiar and Antonio
>>> Martins listed on the same Passportes page:*
>>>
>>>
>>> http://www.culturacores.azores.gov.pt/biblioteca_digital/PASSAPORTES-PDL-1913-1915/PASSAPORTES-PDL-1913-1915_item1/P62.html
>>>
>>> July 23, 1913 - Maria Aguiar is #1625 from Ginetes and Antonio (Antone)
>>> Martins is#1635 from S. Antonio.
>>>
>>> "E"
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> On Fri, Jul 13, 2018 at 8:32 AM, "E" Sharp  wrote:
>>>
 Cherei, OK, easier than I thought now for the searching.that's
 the ugh part for me.

 "E"

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