Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Re: Manuel Furtado (1750s-1813) & Marianna da Trindade (1750s-1823) of Vila Franca & Ponta Garca
Cheri, Did you ever find Manuel and Mariana's parents? Todd On Wednesday, July 4, 2018 at 6:54:11 AM UTC-4, Cheri Mello wrote: > > The Catholic Church required the dispensations. My greats had a > dispensation in New Bedford, Massachusetts. But, in America, it was just a > side note in the marriage book. I don't know that dispensation packets > exist. I took pictures of the ones in the Azores and will upload in a week > or 2. Cheri > > On Jul 3, 2018 3:48 PM, "Elaine Mello" > > wrote: > >> My grandparents were cousins, but got married here in the US, so there >> wouldn't be anything back in the Azores for them (presumably), >> >> Antonio Mello (b1889) was a great grandson through Ana de Espírito Santo >> through Antonio De Mello Barboza (b 1819) and my grandmother Maria Lima (b >> 1890) was a great granddaughter of Ana through Manoel De Mello Barboza (b >> 1829) via his daughter Francisca Roza De Mello (b 1854). Unless that was >> tracked back home at some point even though they got married in the States. >> >> Elaine >> >> >> -- >> You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups >> "Azores Genealogy" group. >> To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an >> email to azo...@googlegroups.com . >> Visit this group at https://groups.google.com/group/azores. >> > -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "Azores Genealogy" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to azores+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at https://groups.google.com/group/azores. To view this discussion on the web visit https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/azores/5f26b1db-a049-46de-b246-79079e13f9f3%40googlegroups.com.
Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Re: Antone F. Lawrence of Sao Miguel Azores
Thanks Cheri, I found her, 5th Cousin - Remote Cousin to my mother. Thought it would be closer... If you reply by Gmail it places the reply at the bottom of all the posts. ¯\_(ツ)_/¯ Todd On Wednesday, January 24, 2018 at 1:00:45 PM UTC-5, Cheri Mello wrote: > > The maternal grands, Antonio Furtado Rei and Maria de Jesus, are Marie > (Ray) Fraley's ancestors. She DNA tested and should be your match. If she > has a brother, his Y-DNA would come from Antonio Furtado Rei. > > Cheri Mello > Listowner, Azores-Gen > Researching: São Miguel island: Vila Franca, Ponta Garca, Ribeira Quente, > Ribeira das Tainhas, Achada > > On Wed, Jan 24, 2018 at 9:55 AM, JR <jmr...@gmail.com > > wrote: > >> This is what it says. It is same line as above: >> >> record No- 16, Antonio, bap- 26 Apr 1886, filho de Francisco Furtado >> [Lourencia] campaneo, natural de NS da Piedade de Ponta Garca and Maria da >> Luz [Rei], natural de Bom Jesus de Ribeira das Tainhas, where they were >> received, are parishioners, and are living on Rua de Igreja of same >> (freg.); neto paterno de Antonio Furtado [Lourencia] and Anna Jacintha; and >> materno de Antonio Furtado Rei and Maria de Jesus; Pad- Manoel Furtado >> Lourencia, casado, feitor and Madrinha, Antonia da Conceicao, casada, >> domestic. (Padrinho, Manoel, is brother of the father and his wife, is said >> Antonia) >> >> JR >> >> On Wednesday, January 24, 2018 at 12:35:37 PM UTC-5, brownat68 wrote: >>> >>> I was asking if the mothers name was listed on the Baptism record image >>> that Lillian sent. Is the mother listed and what is the date? >>> >>> I am going to start looking through the Passportes now... >>> >>> On Wed, Jan 24, 2018 at 12:14 PM, Cheri Mello <gfsc...@gmail.com> wrote: >>> >>>> Row 19, in the column titled "The NAME and complete address of nearest >>>> relative from whence alien came," it says Francisco F. Lawrence, Rib.a >>>> Tainhas, V. Franca. The column isn't asking for parents, it only ask for A >>>> NAME. Just one name. If you want mom's name, you have to go to the Azorean >>>> Passaportes and check for him outbound. Start Aug. 21, 1908 and work your >>>> way back. Yes, he is a laborer. >>>> >>>> Everyone is going to River Point in RI. I think that's near West >>>> Warwick. Cheri >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> Cheri Mello >>>> Listowner, Azores-Gen >>>> Researching: São Miguel island: Vila Franca, Ponta Garca, Ribeira >>>> Quente, Ribeira das Tainhas, Achada >>>> >>>> On Wed, Jan 24, 2018 at 9:03 AM, brownat68 . <brow...@gmail.com> wrote: >>>> >>>>> The fathers name looks like Francisco. Where/What is the mothers name? >>>>> >>>>> Todd >>>>> >>>>> On Wed, Jan 24, 2018 at 10:48 AM, 'Lillian Palko' via Azores Genealogy >>>>> <azo...@googlegroups.com> wrote: >>>>> >>>>>> I believe this is his baptism: >>>>>> http://culturacores.azores.gov.pt/biblioteca_digital/SMG-VF-RIBEIRATAINHAS-B-1880-1889/SMG-VF-RIBEIRATAINHAS-B-1880-1889_item1/P159.html. >>>>>> >>>>>> I do n ot have any information on this Antonio other than baptism. >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> On Sunday, January 21, 2018 at 8:05:12 PM UTC-8, brownat68 wrote: >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Does anyone have any information on an Antone F. Lawrence? According >>>>>>> to his draft card he was born 8 Apr 1886, Sao Miguel, Azores, Portugal. >>>>>>> Wife’s name was Mary. I think his surname was originally Furtado >>>>>>> Lawrence. >>>>>>> Had to of immigrated to Plymouth, Massachusetts before 1913 because all >>>>>>> 3 >>>>>>> of his children were born in the USA. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> I believe I have his baptism record here: >>>>>>> http://culturacores.azores.gov.pt/biblioteca_digital/SMG-VF-RIBEIRATAINHAS-B-1880-1889/SMG-VF-RIBEIRATAINHAS-B-1880-1889_item1/P166.html >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Would like to find his immigration records to verify his birth place >>>>>>> but have not been able to yet. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> *Children* >>>>>>> Antone Lawrence 1913 >>>>>>> Jo
Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Re: Antone F. Lawrence of Sao Miguel Azores
Thanks JR. On Wednesday, January 24, 2018 at 12:55:23 PM UTC-5, JR wrote: > > This is what it says. It is same line as above: > > record No- 16, Antonio, bap- 26 Apr 1886, filho de Francisco Furtado > [Lourencia] campaneo, natural de NS da Piedade de Ponta Garca and Maria da > Luz [Rei], natural de Bom Jesus de Ribeira das Tainhas, where they were > received, are parishioners, and are living on Rua de Igreja of same > (freg.); neto paterno de Antonio Furtado [Lourencia] and Anna Jacintha; and > materno de Antonio Furtado Rei and Maria de Jesus; Pad- Manoel Furtado > Lourencia, casado, feitor and Madrinha, Antonia da Conceicao, casada, > domestic. (Padrinho, Manoel, is brother of the father and his wife, is said > Antonia) > > JR > > On Wednesday, January 24, 2018 at 12:35:37 PM UTC-5, brownat68 wrote: >> >> I was asking if the mothers name was listed on the Baptism record image >> that Lillian sent. Is the mother listed and what is the date? >> >> I am going to start looking through the Passportes now... >> >> On Wed, Jan 24, 2018 at 12:14 PM, Cheri Mello <gfsc...@gmail.com> wrote: >> >>> Row 19, in the column titled "The NAME and complete address of nearest >>> relative from whence alien came," it says Francisco F. Lawrence, Rib.a >>> Tainhas, V. Franca. The column isn't asking for parents, it only ask for A >>> NAME. Just one name. If you want mom's name, you have to go to the Azorean >>> Passaportes and check for him outbound. Start Aug. 21, 1908 and work your >>> way back. Yes, he is a laborer. >>> >>> Everyone is going to River Point in RI. I think that's near West >>> Warwick. Cheri >>> >>> >>> >>> Cheri Mello >>> Listowner, Azores-Gen >>> Researching: São Miguel island: Vila Franca, Ponta Garca, Ribeira >>> Quente, Ribeira das Tainhas, Achada >>> >>> On Wed, Jan 24, 2018 at 9:03 AM, brownat68 . <brow...@gmail.com> wrote: >>> >>>> The fathers name looks like Francisco. Where/What is the mothers name? >>>> >>>> Todd >>>> >>>> On Wed, Jan 24, 2018 at 10:48 AM, 'Lillian Palko' via Azores Genealogy >>>> <azo...@googlegroups.com> wrote: >>>> >>>>> I believe this is his baptism: >>>>> http://culturacores.azores.gov.pt/biblioteca_digital/SMG-VF-RIBEIRATAINHAS-B-1880-1889/SMG-VF-RIBEIRATAINHAS-B-1880-1889_item1/P159.html. >>>>> >>>>> I do n ot have any information on this Antonio other than baptism. >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> On Sunday, January 21, 2018 at 8:05:12 PM UTC-8, brownat68 wrote: >>>>>> >>>>>> Does anyone have any information on an Antone F. Lawrence? According >>>>>> to his draft card he was born 8 Apr 1886, Sao Miguel, Azores, Portugal. >>>>>> Wife’s name was Mary. I think his surname was originally Furtado >>>>>> Lawrence. >>>>>> Had to of immigrated to Plymouth, Massachusetts before 1913 because all >>>>>> 3 >>>>>> of his children were born in the USA. >>>>>> >>>>>> I believe I have his baptism record here: >>>>>> http://culturacores.azores.gov.pt/biblioteca_digital/SMG-VF-RIBEIRATAINHAS-B-1880-1889/SMG-VF-RIBEIRATAINHAS-B-1880-1889_item1/P166.html >>>>>> >>>>>> Would like to find his immigration records to verify his birth place >>>>>> but have not been able to yet. >>>>>> >>>>>> *Children* >>>>>> Antone Lawrence 1913 >>>>>> Joseph Lawrence 3 Jun 1916 Plymouth, Massachusetts, United States >>>>>> Frank Lawrence 18 Sep 1923 Plymouth, Massachusetts, United States >>>>>> >>>>>> Any help would be appreciated. >>>>>> >>>>>> Thanks >>>>>> >>>>>> Todd Brown >>>>>> >>>>>> -- >>>>> You received this message because you are subscribed to a topic in the >>>>> Google Groups "Azores Genealogy" group. >>>>> To unsubscribe from this topic, visit >>>>> https://groups.google.com/d/topic/azores/dHy40lzlYqg/unsubscribe. >>>>> To unsubscribe from this group and all its topics, send an email to >>>>> azores+un...@googlegroups.com. >>>>> Visit this group at https://groups.google.com/group/azores. >>>>>
Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Re: Antone F. Lawrence of Sao Miguel Azores
I was asking if the mothers name was listed on the Baptism record image that Lillian sent. Is the mother listed and what is the date? I am going to start looking through the Passportes now... On Wed, Jan 24, 2018 at 12:14 PM, Cheri Mello <gfsche...@gmail.com> wrote: > Row 19, in the column titled "The NAME and complete address of nearest > relative from whence alien came," it says Francisco F. Lawrence, Rib.a > Tainhas, V. Franca. The column isn't asking for parents, it only ask for A > NAME. Just one name. If you want mom's name, you have to go to the Azorean > Passaportes and check for him outbound. Start Aug. 21, 1908 and work your > way back. Yes, he is a laborer. > > Everyone is going to River Point in RI. I think that's near West Warwick. > Cheri > > > > Cheri Mello > Listowner, Azores-Gen > Researching: São Miguel island: Vila Franca, Ponta Garca, Ribeira Quente, > Ribeira das Tainhas, Achada > > On Wed, Jan 24, 2018 at 9:03 AM, brownat68 . <browna...@gmail.com> wrote: > >> The fathers name looks like Francisco. Where/What is the mothers name? >> >> Todd >> >> On Wed, Jan 24, 2018 at 10:48 AM, 'Lillian Palko' via Azores Genealogy < >> azores@googlegroups.com> wrote: >> >>> I believe this is his baptism: http://culturacores.azores.gov >>> .pt/biblioteca_digital/SMG-VF-RIBEIRATAINHAS-B-1880-1889/SMG >>> -VF-RIBEIRATAINHAS-B-1880-1889_item1/P159.html. I do n ot have any >>> information on this Antonio other than baptism. >>> >>> >>> On Sunday, January 21, 2018 at 8:05:12 PM UTC-8, brownat68 wrote: >>>> >>>> Does anyone have any information on an Antone F. Lawrence? According to >>>> his draft card he was born 8 Apr 1886, Sao Miguel, Azores, Portugal. Wife’s >>>> name was Mary. I think his surname was originally Furtado Lawrence. Had to >>>> of immigrated to Plymouth, Massachusetts before 1913 because all 3 of his >>>> children were born in the USA. >>>> >>>> I believe I have his baptism record here: >>>> http://culturacores.azores.gov.pt/biblioteca_digital/SMG-VF- >>>> RIBEIRATAINHAS-B-1880-1889/SMG-VF-RIBEIRATAINHAS-B-1880-1889 >>>> _item1/P166.html >>>> >>>> Would like to find his immigration records to verify his birth place >>>> but have not been able to yet. >>>> >>>> *Children* >>>> Antone Lawrence 1913 >>>> Joseph Lawrence 3 Jun 1916 Plymouth, Massachusetts, United States >>>> Frank Lawrence 18 Sep 1923 Plymouth, Massachusetts, United States >>>> >>>> Any help would be appreciated. >>>> >>>> Thanks >>>> >>>> Todd Brown >>>> >>>> -- >>> You received this message because you are subscribed to a topic in the >>> Google Groups "Azores Genealogy" group. >>> To unsubscribe from this topic, visit https://groups.google.com/d/to >>> pic/azores/dHy40lzlYqg/unsubscribe. >>> To unsubscribe from this group and all its topics, send an email to >>> azores+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. >>> Visit this group at https://groups.google.com/group/azores. >>> >> >> -- >> You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups >> "Azores Genealogy" group. >> To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an >> email to azores+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. >> Visit this group at https://groups.google.com/group/azores. >> > > -- > You received this message because you are subscribed to a topic in the > Google Groups "Azores Genealogy" group. > To unsubscribe from this topic, visit https://groups.google.com/d/ > topic/azores/dHy40lzlYqg/unsubscribe. > To unsubscribe from this group and all its topics, send an email to > azores+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. > Visit this group at https://groups.google.com/group/azores. > -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "Azores Genealogy" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to azores+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at https://groups.google.com/group/azores.
Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Re: Antone F. Lawrence of Sao Miguel Azores
The fathers name looks like Francisco. Where/What is the mothers name? Todd On Wed, Jan 24, 2018 at 10:48 AM, 'Lillian Palko' via Azores Genealogy < azores@googlegroups.com> wrote: > I believe this is his baptism: http://culturacores.azores. > gov.pt/biblioteca_digital/SMG-VF-RIBEIRATAINHAS-B-1880-1889/ > SMG-VF-RIBEIRATAINHAS-B-1880-1889_item1/P159.html. I do n ot have any > information on this Antonio other than baptism. > > > On Sunday, January 21, 2018 at 8:05:12 PM UTC-8, brownat68 wrote: >> >> Does anyone have any information on an Antone F. Lawrence? According to >> his draft card he was born 8 Apr 1886, Sao Miguel, Azores, Portugal. Wife’s >> name was Mary. I think his surname was originally Furtado Lawrence. Had to >> of immigrated to Plymouth, Massachusetts before 1913 because all 3 of his >> children were born in the USA. >> >> I believe I have his baptism record here: http://culturacores.azores.gov >> .pt/biblioteca_digital/SMG-VF-RIBEIRATAINHAS-B-1880-1889/SMG >> -VF-RIBEIRATAINHAS-B-1880-1889_item1/P166.html >> >> Would like to find his immigration records to verify his birth place but >> have not been able to yet. >> >> *Children* >> Antone Lawrence 1913 >> Joseph Lawrence 3 Jun 1916 Plymouth, Massachusetts, United States >> Frank Lawrence 18 Sep 1923 Plymouth, Massachusetts, United States >> >> Any help would be appreciated. >> >> Thanks >> >> Todd Brown >> >> -- > You received this message because you are subscribed to a topic in the > Google Groups "Azores Genealogy" group. > To unsubscribe from this topic, visit https://groups.google.com/d/ > topic/azores/dHy40lzlYqg/unsubscribe. > To unsubscribe from this group and all its topics, send an email to > azores+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. > Visit this group at https://groups.google.com/group/azores. > -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "Azores Genealogy" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to azores+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at https://groups.google.com/group/azores.
Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Re: Antone F. Lawrence of Sao Miguel Azores
This must be his immigration: Family Search <https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/3:1:33S7-9YWQ-1P2?i=375=1923995> Row 19. Looks like his father is listed as Francis Furtado, column 11. It looks like Maria is listed above. Row 15. Whole Motta family came over. What is his occupation, Column 6, Laborer? Todd On Wed, Jan 24, 2018 at 10:48 AM, 'Lillian Palko' via Azores Genealogy < azores@googlegroups.com> wrote: > I believe this is his baptism: http://culturacores.azores. > gov.pt/biblioteca_digital/SMG-VF-RIBEIRATAINHAS-B-1880-1889/ > SMG-VF-RIBEIRATAINHAS-B-1880-1889_item1/P159.html. I do n ot have any > information on this Antonio other than baptism. > > > On Sunday, January 21, 2018 at 8:05:12 PM UTC-8, brownat68 wrote: >> >> Does anyone have any information on an Antone F. Lawrence? According to >> his draft card he was born 8 Apr 1886, Sao Miguel, Azores, Portugal. Wife’s >> name was Mary. I think his surname was originally Furtado Lawrence. Had to >> of immigrated to Plymouth, Massachusetts before 1913 because all 3 of his >> children were born in the USA. >> >> I believe I have his baptism record here: http://culturacores.azores.gov >> .pt/biblioteca_digital/SMG-VF-RIBEIRATAINHAS-B-1880-1889/SMG >> -VF-RIBEIRATAINHAS-B-1880-1889_item1/P166.html >> >> Would like to find his immigration records to verify his birth place but >> have not been able to yet. >> >> *Children* >> Antone Lawrence 1913 >> Joseph Lawrence 3 Jun 1916 Plymouth, Massachusetts, United States >> Frank Lawrence 18 Sep 1923 Plymouth, Massachusetts, United States >> >> Any help would be appreciated. >> >> Thanks >> >> Todd Brown >> >> -- > You received this message because you are subscribed to a topic in the > Google Groups "Azores Genealogy" group. > To unsubscribe from this topic, visit https://groups.google.com/d/ > topic/azores/dHy40lzlYqg/unsubscribe. > To unsubscribe from this group and all its topics, send an email to > azores+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. > Visit this group at https://groups.google.com/group/azores. > -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "Azores Genealogy" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to azores+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at https://groups.google.com/group/azores.
Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Antone F. Lawrence of Sao Miguel Azores
I had the incorrect record actually. My bad translation skills. I think the only connection Lillian and I could find was through the DeMello family which makes sense if Lillian does not share DNA with my Aunt so it has to be on my maternal line. With all the information JR posted on the Furtado Lawrence family(s) I need to find out what town in the Azores Antonio Furtado lawrence of Plymouth was born or lived in first, then look for the connection. Todd On Monday, January 22, 2018 at 1:34:55 AM UTC-5, Cheri Mello wrote: > > I didn't see an AntoniO, but an AntoniA. I think you sent the wrong link. > > I think both Cheryl Lawrence and Lillian Furtado Palko come from this > family. Your mom's DNA matches Lillian. Your aunt doesn't. Neither match > Cheryl Lawrence or her whole cluster. > > Ribeira das Tainhas is kinda different. It had its own church with its own > books but was kinda part of Sao Miguel Arcanjo in Vila Franca. So if you > are searching the Passaportes, you'll have to check for both Ribeira das > Tainhas and Matriz of Vila Franca. They could have said either. Also, I'd > get your Antonio's marriage from the church in Plymouth. He may have told > the church where he was from but was more broad when telling city hall > where he was from. > > BUT you've got that huge Ribeira Quente cluster that you match (both your > mom and aunt). Many have trees. I know you want to work your Furtados, but > I'd clear up the R. Quente cluster. Then you might be able to see the > Ribeira das Tainhas people - or maybe your research will take you into > Ribeira Quente. > > Cheri Mello > Listowner, Azores-Gen > Researching: São Miguel island: Vila Franca, Ponta Garca, Ribeira Quente, > Ribeira das Tainhas, Achada > > On Sun, Jan 21, 2018 at 8:05 PM, brownat68 <brow...@gmail.com > > wrote: > >> Does anyone have any information on an Antone F. Lawrence? According to >> his draft card he was born 8 Apr 1886, Sao Miguel, Azores, Portugal. Wife’s >> name was Mary. I think his surname was originally Furtado Lawrence. Had to >> of immigrated to Plymouth, Massachusetts before 1913 because all 3 of his >> children were born in the USA. >> >> I believe I have his baptism record here: >> http://culturacores.azores.gov.pt/biblioteca_digital/SMG-VF-RIBEIRATAINHAS-B-1880-1889/SMG-VF-RIBEIRATAINHAS-B-1880-1889_item1/P166.html >> >> Would like to find his immigration records to verify his birth place but >> have not been able to yet. >> >> *Children* >> Antone Lawrence 1913 >> Joseph Lawrence 3 Jun 1916 Plymouth, Massachusetts, United States >> Frank Lawrence 18 Sep 1923 Plymouth, Massachusetts, United States >> >> Any help would be appreciated. >> >> Thanks >> >> Todd Brown >> >> -- >> You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups >> "Azores Genealogy" group. >> To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an >> email to azores+un...@googlegroups.com . >> Visit this group at https://groups.google.com/group/azores. >> > > -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "Azores Genealogy" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to azores+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at https://groups.google.com/group/azores.
Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Antone F. Lawrence of Sao Miguel Azores
My great grandmother told my mother that this Lawrence family were cousins when she was growing up and my mothers paternal Furtado family is from Vila Franca and other places but not Ribeira das Tainhas. The maternal line is from Ponta Delgada. I wonder if this Furtado family possibly descends from Andre Costa Furtado born 10 Sep 1701 in Vila Franca? Todd On Monday, January 22, 2018 at 4:09:17 AM UTC-5, JR wrote: > > You have to be careful. There are Furtado Lourenco's and Furtado > Lourencia's. The first is mostly in Ponta Garca; the latter is mostly in > Ribeira das Tainhas and come from Vila Franca. Moreover, they sometimes > interchange the names! And there are similar names in both villages! I > suspect the Ribeira Quente connection is from the female side, that is Mary. > > JR > > On Monday, January 22, 2018 at 1:34:55 AM UTC-5, Cheri Mello wrote: >> >> I didn't see an AntoniO, but an AntoniA. I think you sent the wrong link. >> >> I think both Cheryl Lawrence and Lillian Furtado Palko come from this >> family. Your mom's DNA matches Lillian. Your aunt doesn't. Neither match >> Cheryl Lawrence or her whole cluster. >> >> Ribeira das Tainhas is kinda different. It had its own church with its >> own books but was kinda part of Sao Miguel Arcanjo in Vila Franca. So if >> you are searching the Passaportes, you'll have to check for both Ribeira >> das Tainhas and Matriz of Vila Franca. They could have said either. Also, >> I'd get your Antonio's marriage from the church in Plymouth. He may have >> told the church where he was from but was more broad when telling city hall >> where he was from. >> >> BUT you've got that huge Ribeira Quente cluster that you match (both your >> mom and aunt). Many have trees. I know you want to work your Furtados, but >> I'd clear up the R. Quente cluster. Then you might be able to see the >> Ribeira das Tainhas people - or maybe your research will take you into >> Ribeira Quente. >> >> Cheri Mello >> Listowner, Azores-Gen >> Researching: São Miguel island: Vila Franca, Ponta Garca, Ribeira Quente, >> Ribeira das Tainhas, Achada >> >> On Sun, Jan 21, 2018 at 8:05 PM, brownat68 <brow...@gmail.com> wrote: >> >>> Does anyone have any information on an Antone F. Lawrence? According to >>> his draft card he was born 8 Apr 1886, Sao Miguel, Azores, Portugal. Wife’s >>> name was Mary. I think his surname was originally Furtado Lawrence. Had to >>> of immigrated to Plymouth, Massachusetts before 1913 because all 3 of his >>> children were born in the USA. >>> >>> I believe I have his baptism record here: >>> http://culturacores.azores.gov.pt/biblioteca_digital/SMG-VF-RIBEIRATAINHAS-B-1880-1889/SMG-VF-RIBEIRATAINHAS-B-1880-1889_item1/P166.html >>> >>> Would like to find his immigration records to verify his birth place but >>> have not been able to yet. >>> >>> *Children* >>> Antone Lawrence 1913 >>> Joseph Lawrence 3 Jun 1916 Plymouth, Massachusetts, United States >>> Frank Lawrence 18 Sep 1923 Plymouth, Massachusetts, United States >>> >>> Any help would be appreciated. >>> >>> Thanks >>> >>> Todd Brown >>> >>> -- >>> You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google >>> Groups "Azores Genealogy" group. >>> To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send >>> an email to azores+un...@googlegroups.com. >>> Visit this group at https://groups.google.com/group/azores. >>> >> >> -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "Azores Genealogy" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to azores+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at https://groups.google.com/group/azores.
Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Antone F. Lawrence of Sao Miguel Azores
If my mothers DNA matches Lillian then it must be through her maternal side. I believe the only connection Lillian and I could find was through the DeMello family. Todd On Monday, January 22, 2018 at 1:34:55 AM UTC-5, Cheri Mello wrote: > > I didn't see an AntoniO, but an AntoniA. I think you sent the wrong link. > > I think both Cheryl Lawrence and Lillian Furtado Palko come from this > family. Your mom's DNA matches Lillian. Your aunt doesn't. Neither match > Cheryl Lawrence or her whole cluster. > > Ribeira das Tainhas is kinda different. It had its own church with its own > books but was kinda part of Sao Miguel Arcanjo in Vila Franca. So if you > are searching the Passaportes, you'll have to check for both Ribeira das > Tainhas and Matriz of Vila Franca. They could have said either. Also, I'd > get your Antonio's marriage from the church in Plymouth. He may have told > the church where he was from but was more broad when telling city hall > where he was from. > > BUT you've got that huge Ribeira Quente cluster that you match (both your > mom and aunt). Many have trees. I know you want to work your Furtados, but > I'd clear up the R. Quente cluster. Then you might be able to see the > Ribeira das Tainhas people - or maybe your research will take you into > Ribeira Quente. > > Cheri Mello > Listowner, Azores-Gen > Researching: São Miguel island: Vila Franca, Ponta Garca, Ribeira Quente, > Ribeira das Tainhas, Achada > > On Sun, Jan 21, 2018 at 8:05 PM, brownat68 <brow...@gmail.com > > wrote: > >> Does anyone have any information on an Antone F. Lawrence? According to >> his draft card he was born 8 Apr 1886, Sao Miguel, Azores, Portugal. Wife’s >> name was Mary. I think his surname was originally Furtado Lawrence. Had to >> of immigrated to Plymouth, Massachusetts before 1913 because all 3 of his >> children were born in the USA. >> >> I believe I have his baptism record here: >> http://culturacores.azores.gov.pt/biblioteca_digital/SMG-VF-RIBEIRATAINHAS-B-1880-1889/SMG-VF-RIBEIRATAINHAS-B-1880-1889_item1/P166.html >> >> Would like to find his immigration records to verify his birth place but >> have not been able to yet. >> >> *Children* >> Antone Lawrence 1913 >> Joseph Lawrence 3 Jun 1916 Plymouth, Massachusetts, United States >> Frank Lawrence 18 Sep 1923 Plymouth, Massachusetts, United States >> >> Any help would be appreciated. >> >> Thanks >> >> Todd Brown >> >> -- >> You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups >> "Azores Genealogy" group. >> To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an >> email to azores+un...@googlegroups.com . >> Visit this group at https://groups.google.com/group/azores. >> > > -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "Azores Genealogy" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to azores+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at https://groups.google.com/group/azores.
Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Antone F. Lawrence of Sao Miguel Azores
Thanks. Keep me updated. I'll contact Lillian again soon. I remember we could not find the connection through the Furtado line though. Lillian and I are related on both sides of our families so we share a lot of DNA. Todd On Monday, January 22, 2018 at 9:53:25 PM UTC-5, Cheryl Lawrence wrote: > > Tomorrow I will dig through some drawers. I've moved 3 times since that > packet came to my old apartment. :( If I can't find it, I'll get you the > info on how to obtain it online. > Lillian Palko would have tons of info as well. That is her direct line. > > On Jan 22, 2018 9:31 PM, "brownat68" <brow...@gmail.com > > wrote: > > I'd love to see that info you have on Antonio Furtado Lourenco who lived > in Plymouth, MA. > > Todd > > > On Monday, January 22, 2018 at 11:02:40 AM UTC-5, Cheryl Lawrence wrote: > >> Yes, If he has the correct Antonio, that line is closer to Lillian than >> me. >> Although years ago I sent away for naturalization papers for my Antonio >> Furtado Lourenco, and got a packet back in the mail about another Antonio >> Furtado Lourenco who lived in Plymouth, MA. I will see if I can find it. >> >> On Jan 22, 2018 4:09 AM, "JR" <jmr...@gmail.com> wrote: >> >>> You have to be careful. There are Furtado Lourenco's and Furtado >>> Lourencia's. The first is mostly in Ponta Garca; the latter is mostly in >>> Ribeira das Tainhas and come from Vila Franca. Moreover, they sometimes >>> interchange the names! And there are similar names in both villages! I >>> suspect the Ribeira Quente connection is from the female side, that is Mary. >>> >>> JR >>> >>> On Monday, January 22, 2018 at 1:34:55 AM UTC-5, Cheri Mello wrote: >>>> >>>> I didn't see an AntoniO, but an AntoniA. I think you sent the wrong >>>> link. >>>> >>>> I think both Cheryl Lawrence and Lillian Furtado Palko come from this >>>> family. Your mom's DNA matches Lillian. Your aunt doesn't. Neither match >>>> Cheryl Lawrence or her whole cluster. >>>> >>>> Ribeira das Tainhas is kinda different. It had its own church with its >>>> own books but was kinda part of Sao Miguel Arcanjo in Vila Franca. So if >>>> you are searching the Passaportes, you'll have to check for both Ribeira >>>> das Tainhas and Matriz of Vila Franca. They could have said either. Also, >>>> I'd get your Antonio's marriage from the church in Plymouth. He may have >>>> told the church where he was from but was more broad when telling city >>>> hall >>>> where he was from. >>>> >>>> BUT you've got that huge Ribeira Quente cluster that you match (both >>>> your mom and aunt). Many have trees. I know you want to work your >>>> Furtados, >>>> but I'd clear up the R. Quente cluster. Then you might be able to see the >>>> Ribeira das Tainhas people - or maybe your research will take you into >>>> Ribeira Quente. >>>> >>>> Cheri Mello >>>> Listowner, Azores-Gen >>>> Researching: São Miguel island: Vila Franca, Ponta Garca, Ribeira >>>> Quente, Ribeira das Tainhas, Achada >>>> >>>> On Sun, Jan 21, 2018 at 8:05 PM, brownat68 <brow...@gmail.com> wrote: >>>> >>>>> Does anyone have any information on an Antone F. Lawrence? According >>>>> to his draft card he was born 8 Apr 1886, Sao Miguel, Azores, Portugal. >>>>> Wife’s name was Mary. I think his surname was originally Furtado >>>>> Lawrence. >>>>> Had to of immigrated to Plymouth, Massachusetts before 1913 because all 3 >>>>> of his children were born in the USA. >>>>> >>>>> I believe I have his baptism record here: >>>>> http://culturacores.azores.gov.pt/biblioteca_digital/SMG-VF-RIBEIRATAINHAS-B-1880-1889/SMG-VF-RIBEIRATAINHAS-B-1880-1889_item1/P166.html >>>>> >>>>> Would like to find his immigration records to verify his birth place >>>>> but have not been able to yet. >>>>> >>>>> *Children* >>>>> Antone Lawrence 1913 >>>>> Joseph Lawrence 3 Jun 1916 Plymouth, Massachusetts, United States >>>>> Frank Lawrence 18 Sep 1923 Plymouth, Massachusetts, United States >>>>> >>>>> Any help would be appreciated. >>>>> >>>>> Thanks >>>>> >>>>> Todd Brown >>>>> >
Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Antone F. Lawrence of Sao Miguel Azores
So it was Ribeira das Tainhas. My great grandmother told my mother that this Lawrence family were cousins when she was growing up and my mothers paternal Furtado family is from Vila Franca and other places but not Ribeira das Tainhas. The maternal line is from Ponta Delgada. I wonder if this Furtado family possibly descends from Andre Costa Furtado born 10 Sep 1701 in Vila Franca? I have been trying to link up all the old cousins my great grandparents said were family and everyone drifted apart to today where I have cousins that I did not know were cousins. Thanks for all of this. If anyone has any extra info please let me know. I'll try to expand Francisco Furtado Lourenco's line. When did the Lourenco surname come in? Todd On Monday, January 22, 2018 at 3:53:33 PM UTC-5, JR wrote: > > Sorry, that marriage date should be Oct 15- 1877, *not 1887.* > > JR > > On Monday, January 22, 2018 at 3:42:14 PM UTC-5, JR wrote: >> >> The parents of Antonio, who was actually born- April 19- 1886, bap- April >> 26, 1886, married in Ribeira das Tainhas, Oct 15- 1887. They are Francisco >> Furtado Lourenco (or Lourencia) and Maria da Luz Rei >> >> >> http://culturacores.azores.gov.pt/biblioteca_digital/SMG-VF-RIBEIRATAINHAS-C-1870-1879/SMG-VF-RIBEIRATAINHAS-C-1870-1879_item1/P61.html >> >> >> http://culturacores.azores.gov.pt/biblioteca_digital/SMG-VF-RIBEIRATAINHAS-C-1870-1879/SMG-VF-RIBEIRATAINHAS-C-1870-1879_item1/P62.html >> record on two internet pages (no 4 in book) >> >> I suggest you contact Lilian also. >> >> JR >> >> On Monday, January 22, 2018 at 11:53:22 AM UTC-5, Cheri Mello wrote: >>> >>> Ooh, crossing fingers that someone is going to get lucky! >>> >>> Cheri Mello >>> Listowner, Azores-Gen >>> Researching: São Miguel island: Vila Franca, Ponta Garca, Ribeira >>> Quente, Ribeira das Tainhas, Achada >>> >>> On Mon, Jan 22, 2018 at 8:02 AM, Cheryl Lawrence <cher...@gmail.com> >>> wrote: >>> >>>> Yes, If he has the correct Antonio, that line is closer to Lillian than >>>> me. >>>> Although years ago I sent away for naturalization papers for my Antonio >>>> Furtado Lourenco, and got a packet back in the mail about another Antonio >>>> Furtado Lourenco who lived in Plymouth, MA. I will see if I can find it. >>>> >>>> On Jan 22, 2018 4:09 AM, "JR" <jmr...@gmail.com> wrote: >>>> >>>>> You have to be careful. There are Furtado Lourenco's and Furtado >>>>> Lourencia's. The first is mostly in Ponta Garca; the latter is mostly in >>>>> Ribeira das Tainhas and come from Vila Franca. Moreover, they sometimes >>>>> interchange the names! And there are similar names in both villages! I >>>>> suspect the Ribeira Quente connection is from the female side, that is >>>>> Mary. >>>>> >>>>> JR >>>>> >>>>> On Monday, January 22, 2018 at 1:34:55 AM UTC-5, Cheri Mello wrote: >>>>>> >>>>>> I didn't see an AntoniO, but an AntoniA. I think you sent the wrong >>>>>> link. >>>>>> >>>>>> I think both Cheryl Lawrence and Lillian Furtado Palko come from this >>>>>> family. Your mom's DNA matches Lillian. Your aunt doesn't. Neither match >>>>>> Cheryl Lawrence or her whole cluster. >>>>>> >>>>>> Ribeira das Tainhas is kinda different. It had its own church with >>>>>> its own books but was kinda part of Sao Miguel Arcanjo in Vila Franca. >>>>>> So >>>>>> if you are searching the Passaportes, you'll have to check for both >>>>>> Ribeira >>>>>> das Tainhas and Matriz of Vila Franca. They could have said either. >>>>>> Also, >>>>>> I'd get your Antonio's marriage from the church in Plymouth. He may have >>>>>> told the church where he was from but was more broad when telling city >>>>>> hall >>>>>> where he was from. >>>>>> >>>>>> BUT you've got that huge Ribeira Quente cluster that you match (both >>>>>> your mom and aunt). Many have trees. I know you want to work your >>>>>> Furtados, >>>>>> but I'd clear up the R. Quente cluster. Then you might be able to see >>>>>> the >>>>>> Ribeira das Tainhas people - or maybe your research will take you into >
Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Antone F. Lawrence of Sao Miguel Azores
I'd love to see that info you have on Antonio Furtado Lourenco who lived in Plymouth, MA. Todd On Monday, January 22, 2018 at 11:02:40 AM UTC-5, Cheryl Lawrence wrote: > > Yes, If he has the correct Antonio, that line is closer to Lillian than > me. > Although years ago I sent away for naturalization papers for my Antonio > Furtado Lourenco, and got a packet back in the mail about another Antonio > Furtado Lourenco who lived in Plymouth, MA. I will see if I can find it. > > On Jan 22, 2018 4:09 AM, "JR" <jmr...@gmail.com > wrote: > >> You have to be careful. There are Furtado Lourenco's and Furtado >> Lourencia's. The first is mostly in Ponta Garca; the latter is mostly in >> Ribeira das Tainhas and come from Vila Franca. Moreover, they sometimes >> interchange the names! And there are similar names in both villages! I >> suspect the Ribeira Quente connection is from the female side, that is Mary. >> >> JR >> >> On Monday, January 22, 2018 at 1:34:55 AM UTC-5, Cheri Mello wrote: >>> >>> I didn't see an AntoniO, but an AntoniA. I think you sent the wrong link. >>> >>> I think both Cheryl Lawrence and Lillian Furtado Palko come from this >>> family. Your mom's DNA matches Lillian. Your aunt doesn't. Neither match >>> Cheryl Lawrence or her whole cluster. >>> >>> Ribeira das Tainhas is kinda different. It had its own church with its >>> own books but was kinda part of Sao Miguel Arcanjo in Vila Franca. So if >>> you are searching the Passaportes, you'll have to check for both Ribeira >>> das Tainhas and Matriz of Vila Franca. They could have said either. Also, >>> I'd get your Antonio's marriage from the church in Plymouth. He may have >>> told the church where he was from but was more broad when telling city hall >>> where he was from. >>> >>> BUT you've got that huge Ribeira Quente cluster that you match (both >>> your mom and aunt). Many have trees. I know you want to work your Furtados, >>> but I'd clear up the R. Quente cluster. Then you might be able to see the >>> Ribeira das Tainhas people - or maybe your research will take you into >>> Ribeira Quente. >>> >>> Cheri Mello >>> Listowner, Azores-Gen >>> Researching: São Miguel island: Vila Franca, Ponta Garca, Ribeira >>> Quente, Ribeira das Tainhas, Achada >>> >>> On Sun, Jan 21, 2018 at 8:05 PM, brownat68 <brow...@gmail.com> wrote: >>> >>>> Does anyone have any information on an Antone F. Lawrence? According to >>>> his draft card he was born 8 Apr 1886, Sao Miguel, Azores, Portugal. >>>> Wife’s >>>> name was Mary. I think his surname was originally Furtado Lawrence. Had to >>>> of immigrated to Plymouth, Massachusetts before 1913 because all 3 of his >>>> children were born in the USA. >>>> >>>> I believe I have his baptism record here: >>>> http://culturacores.azores.gov.pt/biblioteca_digital/SMG-VF-RIBEIRATAINHAS-B-1880-1889/SMG-VF-RIBEIRATAINHAS-B-1880-1889_item1/P166.html >>>> >>>> Would like to find his immigration records to verify his birth place >>>> but have not been able to yet. >>>> >>>> *Children* >>>> Antone Lawrence 1913 >>>> Joseph Lawrence 3 Jun 1916 Plymouth, Massachusetts, United States >>>> Frank Lawrence 18 Sep 1923 Plymouth, Massachusetts, United States >>>> >>>> Any help would be appreciated. >>>> >>>> Thanks >>>> >>>> Todd Brown >>>> >>>> -- >>>> You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google >>>> Groups "Azores Genealogy" group. >>>> To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send >>>> an email to azores+un...@googlegroups.com. >>>> Visit this group at https://groups.google.com/group/azores. >>>> >>> >>> -- >> You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups >> "Azores Genealogy" group. >> To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an >> email to azores+un...@googlegroups.com . >> Visit this group at https://groups.google.com/group/azores. >> > -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "Azores Genealogy" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to azores+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at https://groups.google.com/group/azores.
[AZORES-Genealogy] Re: JOHN SILVA BROWN DEATH IN HANFORD, CALIFORNIA
John Silver Brown (Joao Silver Brum) is my Great grandfather. Do you have any information on where he was born in the Azores and lived and the names of his parents? His immigration records say he was from Pedro Miguel, Fayal but there are no records on Fayal for him or his parents. Todd On Thursday, July 6, 2017 at 10:27:50 AM UTC-4, Becky Madruga wrote: > > I know this response is coming years later, but i was just reading this > post. I am from hanford, and this family is in my tree. :-).. Theresa > Madruga married Bill Brown pereria.. And he will probally be found as a > pereria In the missing documents. Theresa was daughter of maunuel pereria > Madruga and Theresa Marshall. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "Azores Genealogy" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to azores+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at https://groups.google.com/group/azores.
[AZORES-Genealogy] Teves Family in Plymouth
I was talking with friend an old friend of our family in a nursing home about her ancestry and I am sure she is a cousin through my Teves family from São Jose, Ponta Delgada. We never knew we were related. I am trying to find the connecting ancestor in her family to mine. Her ancestors were: Marion Teves lived at 323 Prince Street in Plymouth, Massachusetts, United States in 1932. His wife is listed as Maria Louisa Teves. They had a child Maria Carmen Teves, born 23 Sep 1894; died Aug 1976. (My mother would visit the family at Prince street when she was a young girl) I think that Marion Marion Teves must be a child of my third great grandfather Jacinto De Teves (more information below) but so far I have not turned up anything on the CCA site yet. I do not know if anyone else has these families in their ancestry or can help. Jacinto De Teves, Birth: 7 Dec 1802 São Jose, Ponta Delgada, São Miguel Island, Azores, Portugal Married to: Ana Cândida (De Jesus Souza), Born 28 Oct 1811 São Jose, Ponta Delgada, São Miguel Island, Azores, Portugal. I have 2 children by them: Maria De Jesús Augusta Teves, Birth 13 Jun 1850 São Jose, Ponta Delgada, São Miguel Island, Azores, Portugal Jacinta De Jesus Teves Birth 1860, married Francisco Jacinto Any help would be appreciated. If more information is needed let me know. I am trying to get this family to take the Family Finder test while it is on sale. Todd -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "Azores Genealogy" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to azores+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at https://groups.google.com/group/azores.
[AZORES-Genealogy] Marian & Maria Teves, Plymouth MA
Does anyone have this couple in their ancestry? They are from the Azores but lived in Massachusetts. Marian Teves, residence in 1932 was Plymouth, Massachusetts. Wife was Maria (Louisa?) Teves. They had a daughter Maria Carmen Teves who I think was born 1909 and died in 1976, she married Augusta Furtado possible b. 1892, d. 1973, Plymouth MA. I do not have any other information. I just had a conversation with an old relative who I did not know was a Teves so I am guessing she has to be descended from my Teves family, all from Sao Jose, São Miguel, Azores that lived in Plymouth and were descendants of Jacinto De Teves b 1802 and his wife Ana Cândida De Jesus Souza. Thanks Todd -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "Azores Genealogy" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to azores+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at https://groups.google.com/group/azores.
[AZORES-Genealogy] Re: Azores and Bermuda Connections
Thanks for the quick replies and for the book reference. Todd On Tuesday, March 28, 2017 at 1:52:17 PM UTC-4, brownat68 wrote: > > Hello, just looking for some historical info. > > What is the historical connection between Bermuda and the Azores? > > Bermuda was a British Island and I have many ancestors who went back and > forth between them in the 1800's. > > Did Bermuda allow immigration from Portugal at this time? > > What was happening in Bermuda that many of us have ancestors who went > there? > > Thanks > > Todd > > > -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "Azores Genealogy" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to azores+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at https://groups.google.com/group/azores.
[AZORES-Genealogy] Azores and Bermuda Connections
Hello, just looking for some historical info. What is the historical connection between Bermuda and the Azores? Bermuda was a British Island and I have many ancestors who went back and forth between them in the 1800's. Did Bermuda allow immigration from Portugal at this time? What was happening in Bermuda that many of us have ancestors who went there? Thanks Todd -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "Azores Genealogy" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to azores+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at https://groups.google.com/group/azores.
[AZORES-Genealogy] Re: Haplogroup V (mtDNA)
My maternal line is V. Matos surname is my farthest. Santa Clara (Ponta
Delgada) São Miguel.
Todd
On Monday, September 19, 2016 at 12:05:13 PM UTC-4, David wrote:
>
> Would love to hear from anyone else whose direct maternal line runs
> through the Azores and whose mtDNA tests as haplogroup V.
>
> From what I am reading, V is spread out across Europe at low levels,
> except for accounting for over 50% of the Sami people ("Lapps") and around
> 19% of the Cantabrian people in Spain. (If I recall correctly, Basques
> have a lower percentage than Sami and Cantabrians, but still higher than
> average...)
>
> And I've seen genetic studies of the Azores where the overall prevalence
> of V thrpughout the archipelago is similar to that around most of Europe --
> but also one study that says that its prevalence in the Western group of
> the Azores is 33% (which would apparently be the highest rate in the world
> other than among the Sami), and that it's the most heavily represented
> haplogroup in the Western group.
>
> My earliest known ancestor in my direct maternal line lived on Flores, so
> she forms part of this pattern for V in the Western group. I'm interested
> in trying to set up a database for Azoreans and Azorean-descendants who
> fall into V, to see if we can construct a tree back to one or more
> identifiable "mothers" of V who brought the haplogroup to the Azores and to
> whom (or to one of whom) all Azorean Vs can trace their direct maternal
> lines.
>
>
>
> David da Silva Cornell
> Miami, FL
>
> Researching the following surnames and places:
>
> Faial - Furtado, Terra, Furtado da Terra (unknown freguesia(s), but signs
> currently point to Pedro Miguel)
>
> Flores - Freitas, Lourenço, Coelho (unknown freguesia(s))
>
> Pico - Silveira Cardoso, Macedo, Machado, Pereira Madruga, Ferreira,
> Cardoso, Cardoso Machado, Vieira, Bettencourt, Dutra, Castanho, Homem,
> Goulart, Quaresma, Moniz, Barreto, Silveira, Pereira, Álvares (all Lajes
> do
> Pico)
>
> S. Jorge - Silva, Botelho, Azevedo, Cardoso (Urzelina); Silva, Azevedo,
> Cardoso (Santo António in Norte Grande)
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[AZORES-Genealogy] Re: Lourenço Antonio Bonito Viera married to Ana Julia Linhares
Thank you for all the information everyone is finding on this family. Are any of the siblings born in Sao Jose? Is there a rule with the surname Lourenço? Sometimes it is a surname sometimes it is a first name? There is a Lawrence family in Plymouth my mother was told were cousins of ours through the Luis Lourenço Bonito Viera family. I am starting to think this is not the case. I am supposed to interview the Lawrence family at some point which would help. Todd On Saturday, July 23, 2016 at 8:21:42 PM UTC-4, brownat68 wrote: > > Hello > > Wondering if anyone has these people and their ancestors I their tree: > > > > *Lourenço Antonio Bonito Viera* married to *Ana Julia Linhares** (No > birth, marriage, or death dates unfortunately*) > > Children: *Luis Lourenço Bonito Viera,* Birth: 1857, Ribeira Quente, São > Miguel, Açores, Portugal > > Marriage to: Jacinta Cândida Júlia da Costa Carneiro, 14 Jan 1880, Ribeira > Quente, São Miguel, Açores, Portugal > > > I'd love to connect with you if you do. > > > Todd > > > -- For options, such as changing to List, Digest, Abridged, or No Mail (vacation) mode, log into your Google account and visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/Azores. Click in the blue area on the right that says "Join this group" and it will take you to "Edit my membership." --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "Azores Genealogy" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to azores+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at https://groups.google.com/group/azores.
[AZORES-Genealogy] Re: Joao Afonso das Grotas Fundas and the Counts of Benavente
Those of us that are descendants of João Afonso can all pitch in for a Y-DNA test. I remember someone posting information a year or so ago that a university was going to publish a paper about João Afonso (de Pimentel) das Grotas Fundas but nothing was brought forth. Todd On Wednesday, September 2, 2015 at 11:48:19 AM UTC-4, John Raposo wrote: > > *Jo**ã**o Afonso (de Pimentel) **“**das Grotas Fundas* > *Died 2 Sept 1512* > > NB: this is the work of several people including Rodrigo Rodrigues, Andrew > Rapoza, George Pacheco, Diana cestodio Silva, in addition to those cited. > > NAME: He became known in St. Michael, Açores as "João Afonso das Grotas > Fundas" [Frutuoso]. Frutuoso never gives him the family name Pimentel nor > does he ever make reference to a relationship to the Spanish Counts of > Benevente. This claim is made by his grandson João Afonso, o Moço, of > Faial da Terra, where he died on 16.4.1577. On the cover of his will, in > an old script, it says that the said João Afonso, o Moço descendes from > the Condes de Benavente of Castile. > > > BIOGRAPHY: "The Pimentels and the Resendes families of the island of São > Miguel descended from João Afonso de Pimentel who came with these names in > the last quarter of the 15th century" [*Familias** Antigas da Povoação**]*. > (It was also suggested that he arrive in the middle of the 15th century > [James > Guill]. "He settled in the place of Grotas Fundas, on the island of São > Miguel, where he had a large family and house, by which he became > well-known on the island as João Afonso das Grotas Fundas [Frutuoso]." "The > origin of this João Afonso is wrapped in some mystery; nevertheless, his > 5th grandson [through a daughter of João Afonso], Padre Pedro Furtado > Leite, outlined his ancestry in a letter in which he wrote that his > mother was descended from João Afonso who, in turn, was the descendant of > the Counts of Benavente, of Spain. In truth, there are some nobiliaries > that refer to a son of the third Count of Benavente (there is a perfect > coincidence of dates), of the name João Afonso, who left Spain, and > disappears from history. The third Count of Benavente, Alonso de > Pimentel, also known as the Count of Mayorga, was married to Dona Maria de > Quinones y Toledo. The subsequent nobiliaries referred to their son João > Afonso de Pimentel [*Familias*]." No further details are given in *Genealogia > de los Condes y Duques de Benavente* (at the Madrid Library), however. [J. > Guill] This son would have been 60 to 70 years old when João Afonso das > Grotas Fundas made his will, His great-grea-greatr grandson, Father > Belchior Manuel de Resendes, in a letter, says that his 4th grandfather, > João Afonso das Grotas Fundas was the son of a Count and exiled himself to > S. Miguel for having committed a crime in Portugal. > > > "The Pimentels belong to one of the most illustrious families of the > Iberian peninsula and originate in Benavente, where they had a castle at > the juncture of a gigantic triangular territory formed by the lands of > Leon, Asturias, and Galicia and bordered by the rivers Esla and Orbigo [ > *Familias*]." > > One Count built a hospital by the name of Nossa Senhora do Piedade to > benefit the pilgrims traveling the Silver Route on the way to Santiago de > Compostela. The church in Ponta Garça that serves the Grotas Fundas area > where João Afonso was the first settler, was also called Nossa Senhora do > Piedade, thus further suggesting the connection between João Afonso das > Grotas Fundas and the Counts of Benavente. [*Familias*.] > > > > It may be this same João Afonso that is mentioned to have contributed 80 > moios of wheat toward a program to direct fresh water from the land of > Gaspar de Bettancurt to Ponta Delgada because before this time the > residents of that town had to rely on well water (perhaps the town's > population was growing too large to sustain itself on the number of wells > then available) [Alverne]. > > João Afonso das Grotas Fundas was again credited as being the earliest > settler of Grotas Fundas at the very beginning of Ponta Garça's settlement. > (It was also suggested that, given the isolation and difficult access to > Grotas Fundas, it could be assumed that João Afonso de Pimentel had a > motive to flee to so remote a spot [J.Guill].) He made his will on 26 May > 1511. In it he made his oldest son, João Afonso, and his son's wife, > Catarina Manuel, the executors and ordered that a third of his lands be set > aside to produce a benefit of 10,000 reis [system of money later replaced > by cruzeiros] for the purpose of having three masses said one week a year > in perpetuity; the first on Monday for his faith in God to be a blessing on > his soul; the second on Saturday in honor of the Peace of Christ and the > last one on Saturday in honor of "Nossa Senhora" with all her prayers [ > *Vida*]. > >
Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Re: Joao Afonso das Grotas Fundas and the Counts of Benavente
Are there any direct male descendants of João Afonso (de Pimentel) “das Grotas Fundas on this forum? Even if there is we wouldn't we need to find someone descended from the Counts to take a DNA test also to compare their DNA to? Todd On Sat, Jul 30, 2016 at 12:14 PM, 'John Raposo' via Azores Genealogy < azores@googlegroups.com> wrote: > If Joao Afonso (de Pimentel) "das Grotas Fundas" is who genealogists say > he is (son of the 3rd Count) then he would have been born in Spain, not in > Portugal. It would be nice if DNA technology could be put to use here to > determine if he does descend from the Counts. > > Best regards, > > John Miranda Raposo > > > > > On Thursday, July 28, 2016 8:38 PM, cathybourgeois1218 < > cathybourgeois1...@gmail.com> wrote: > > > There is a discrepancy as to where he was born. Was he born in Portugal > or Baesa, Galiza Spain? > > On Wednesday, September 2, 2015 at 11:48:19 AM UTC-4, John Raposo wrote: > > *Jo**ã**o Afonso (de Pimentel) **“**das Grotas Fundas* > *Died 2 Sept 1512* > > NB: this is the work of several people including Rodrigo Rodrigues, Andrew > Rapoza, George Pacheco, Diana cestodio Silva, in addition to those cited. > > NAME: He became known in St. Michael, Açores as "João Afonso das Grotas > Fundas" [Frutuoso]. Frutuoso never gives him the family name Pimentel nor > does he ever make reference to a relationship to the Spanish Counts of > Benevente. This claim is made by his grandson João Afonso, o Moço, of > Faial da Terra, where he died on 16.4.1577. On the cover of his will, in > an old script, it says that the said João Afonso, o Moço descendes from > the Condes de Benavente of Castile. > > > BIOGRAPHY: "The Pimentels and the Resendes families of the island of São > Miguel descended from João Afonso de Pimentel who came with these names in > the last quarter of the 15th century" [*Familias** Antigas da Povoação**]*. > (It was also suggested that he arrive in the middle of the 15th century [James > Guill]. "He settled in the place of Grotas Fundas, on the island of São > Miguel, where he had a large family and house, by which he became > well-known on the island as João Afonso das Grotas Fundas [Frutuoso]." "The > origin of this João Afonso is wrapped in some mystery; nevertheless, his > 5th grandson [through a daughter of João Afonso], Padre Pedro Furtado > Leite, outlined his ancestry in a letter in which he wrote that his > mother was descended from João Afonso who, in turn, was the descendant of > the Counts of Benavente, of Spain. In truth, there are some nobiliaries > that refer to a son of the third Count of Benavente (there is a perfect > coincidence of dates), of the name João Afonso, who left Spain, and > disappears from history. The third Count of Benavente, Alonso de > Pimentel, also known as the Count of Mayorga, was married to Dona Maria de > Quinones y Toledo. The subsequent nobiliaries referred to their son João > Afonso de Pimentel [*Familias*]." No further details are given in *Genealogia > de los Condes y Duques de Benavente* (at the Madrid Library), however. [J. > Guill] This son would have been 60 to 70 years old when João Afonso das > Grotas Fundas made his will, His great-grea-greatr grandson, Father > Belchior Manuel de Resendes, in a letter, says that his 4th grandfather, > João Afonso das Grotas Fundas was the son of a Count and exiled himself to > S. Miguel for having committed a crime in Portugal. > > > "The Pimentels belong to one of the most illustrious families of the > Iberian peninsula and originate in Benavente, where they had a castle at > the juncture of a gigantic triangular territory formed by the lands of > Leon, Asturias, and Galicia and bordered by the rivers Esla and Orbigo [ > *Familias*]." > > One Count built a hospital by the name of Nossa Senhora do Piedade to > benefit the pilgrims traveling the Silver Route on the way to Santiago de > Compostela. The church in Ponta Garça that serves the Grotas Fundas area > where João Afonso was the first settler, was also called Nossa Senhora do > Piedade, thus further suggesting the connection between João Afonso das > Grotas Fundas and the Counts of Benavente. [*Familias*.] > > > > It may be this same João Afonso that is mentioned to have contributed 80 > moios of wheat toward a program to direct fresh water from the land of > Gaspar de Bettancurt to Ponta Delgada because before this time the > residents of that town had to rely on well water (perhaps the town's > population was growing too large to sustain itself on the number of wells > then available) [Alverne]. > > João Afonso das Grotas Fundas was again credited as being the earliest > settler of Grotas Fundas at the very beginning of Ponta Garça's settlement. > (It was also suggested that, given the isolation and difficult access to > Grotas Fundas, it could be assumed that João Afonso de Pimentel had a > motive to flee to so remote a spot [J.Guill].) He made his will on 26 May > 1511. In it he made his oldest
[AZORES-Genealogy] Re: João Botelho married to Jacinta Cândida
All I have for records for José Botelho is his marriage record: On 6 April 1874, in São José, Ponta Delgada, São Miguel Island, José Botelho, 32, single, seaman, legitimate son of João Botelho and Jacinta Cândida, married to Maria Augusta, 23, single, seamstress, legitimate daughter of Jacinto de Teves and Ana de Jesus, both native of São José, Ponta Delgada, where they live in Rua deSanta Clara. Witnesses were Jacinto Inácio de Medeiros, who works in a grocery store, married, and Francisco de Teves, single, seaman, both living in the same street. Todd On Saturday, July 23, 2016 at 8:23:48 PM UTC-4, brownat68 wrote: > > Hello > > Wondering if anyone has these people and their ancestors I their tree: > > *João Botelho* married to *Jacinta Cândida* (*No birth, marriage, or > death dates unfortunately*) > Children: José Botelho, birth: 1845 Ribeira Quente, São Miguel, Açores, > Portugal > Marriage to: 6 Apr 1874, São Jose, Ponta Delgada, São Miguel, Açores, > Portugal > > I am trying to plug a few holes in my recent ancestry. I'd love to talk > with anyone who has this couple or their family. > > Thanks > > Todd > -- For options, such as changing to List, Digest, Abridged, or No Mail (vacation) mode, log into your Google account and visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/Azores. Click in the blue area on the right that says "Join this group" and it will take you to "Edit my membership." --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "Azores Genealogy" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to azores+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at https://groups.google.com/group/azores.
[AZORES-Genealogy] Re: João Botelho married to Jacinta Cândida
Thanks for all the information. It is really helpful. lots to read. Practice, Practice, Practice. Todd On Saturday, July 23, 2016 at 8:23:48 PM UTC-4, brownat68 wrote: > > Hello > > Wondering if anyone has these people and their ancestors I their tree: > > *João Botelho* married to *Jacinta Cândida* (*No birth, marriage, or > death dates unfortunately*) > Children: José Botelho, birth: 1845 Ribeira Quente, São Miguel, Açores, > Portugal > Marriage to: 6 Apr 1874, São Jose, Ponta Delgada, São Miguel, Açores, > Portugal > > I am trying to plug a few holes in my recent ancestry. I'd love to talk > with anyone who has this couple or their family. > > Thanks > > Todd > -- For options, such as changing to List, Digest, Abridged, or No Mail (vacation) mode, log into your Google account and visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/Azores. Click in the blue area on the right that says "Join this group" and it will take you to "Edit my membership." --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "Azores Genealogy" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to azores+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at https://groups.google.com/group/azores.
[AZORES-Genealogy] Re: Lourenço Antonio Bonito Viera married to Ana Julia Linhares
I am going to start to look for all the siblings of Luis in Ribeira Quente. I figure start looking 2 years above and below 1856. It looks like the Viera surname came from the maternal side, not the paternal like I originally thought. I just want to make sure as I always thought the Viera surname was paternal. Out of the two that Cherri found it would seem like *Lourenco Antonio, son of Jose Antonio de Medeiros and Anna Francisca married Anna Julia, daughter of Joao Vieira and Angelica Maria on 10 Jan 1839* would be the correct family because of the matching Ana Julia and the Viera surname must of came through that lineage. Let me know what you think. Thanks for all the information and help. Todd On Saturday, July 23, 2016 at 8:21:42 PM UTC-4, brownat68 wrote: > > Hello > > Wondering if anyone has these people and their ancestors I their tree: > > > > *Lourenço Antonio Bonito Viera* married to *Ana Julia Linhares** (No > birth, marriage, or death dates unfortunately*) > > Children: *Luis Lourenço Bonito Viera,* Birth: 1857, Ribeira Quente, São > Miguel, Açores, Portugal > > Marriage to: Jacinta Cândida Júlia da Costa Carneiro, 14 Jan 1880, Ribeira > Quente, São Miguel, Açores, Portugal > > > I'd love to connect with you if you do. > > > Todd > > > -- For options, such as changing to List, Digest, Abridged, or No Mail (vacation) mode, log into your Google account and visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/Azores. Click in the blue area on the right that says "Join this group" and it will take you to "Edit my membership." --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "Azores Genealogy" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to azores+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at https://groups.google.com/group/azores.
[AZORES-Genealogy] Re: João Botelho married to Jacinta Cândida
Thanks Sandra! I do like trying to translate these records these and I am trying a new tactic with two monitors and an ever growing list of common Portuguese words and their meaning. I have tried to tried to translate the record you mentioned and this is how bad I butchered it: *20 7 in September in thousand 8 hundred 70 Ponta Delgada dioceses? Of Manuel Correia De jesus what know the come all the* *Impediment?* *Not married* *Husband or wife was 20?* *Lawful * *Fransica Carreiro natural of Jesus* *Rabo de pexia Julia de jesus natural * *Not married legitimate daughter of Joao Correia and ? De jesus* How bad did I do? There were a lot of words I could not make out at all or find the meaning to. Now that my work has slowed a bit I have more time to devote to trying to learn more. Todd On Saturday, July 23, 2016 at 8:23:48 PM UTC-4, brownat68 wrote: > > Hello > > Wondering if anyone has these people and their ancestors I their tree: > > *João Botelho* married to *Jacinta Cândida* (*No birth, marriage, or > death dates unfortunately*) > Children: José Botelho, birth: 1845 Ribeira Quente, São Miguel, Açores, > Portugal > Marriage to: 6 Apr 1874, São Jose, Ponta Delgada, São Miguel, Açores, > Portugal > > I am trying to plug a few holes in my recent ancestry. I'd love to talk > with anyone who has this couple or their family. > > Thanks > > Todd > -- For options, such as changing to List, Digest, Abridged, or No Mail (vacation) mode, log into your Google account and visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/Azores. Click in the blue area on the right that says "Join this group" and it will take you to "Edit my membership." --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "Azores Genealogy" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to azores+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at https://groups.google.com/group/azores.
[AZORES-Genealogy] Re: Lourenço Antonio Bonito Viera married to Ana Julia Linhares
Thanks Everyone. JR do you have any further information on Lourenço Antonio Bonito Viera married to Ana Julia Linhares, what town they were born in? San Jose maybe? Thanks Todd On Saturday, July 23, 2016 at 8:21:42 PM UTC-4, brownat68 wrote: > > Hello > > Wondering if anyone has these people and their ancestors I their tree: > > > > *Lourenço Antonio Bonito Viera* married to *Ana Julia Linhares** (No > birth, marriage, or death dates unfortunately*) > > Children: *Luis Lourenço Bonito Viera,* Birth: 1857, Ribeira Quente, São > Miguel, Açores, Portugal > > Marriage to: Jacinta Cândida Júlia da Costa Carneiro, 14 Jan 1880, Ribeira > Quente, São Miguel, Açores, Portugal > > > I'd love to connect with you if you do. > > > Todd > > > -- For options, such as changing to List, Digest, Abridged, or No Mail (vacation) mode, log into your Google account and visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/Azores. Click in the blue area on the right that says "Join this group" and it will take you to "Edit my membership." --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "Azores Genealogy" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to azores+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at https://groups.google.com/group/azores.
[AZORES-Genealogy] Re: João Botelho married to Jacinta Cândida
I see what you mean: Manuel Lourenço Bonito, 22, *worker*, *native of Ribeira Quente* and *living in São José*, Ponta Delgada, legitimate son of Luis Lourenço bonito and Jacinta Cândida, etc... I need to look in San Jose for João Botelho married to Jacinta Cândida. Thanks everyone. Any other information let me know. Todd On Saturday, July 23, 2016 at 8:23:48 PM UTC-4, brownat68 wrote: > > Hello > > Wondering if anyone has these people and their ancestors I their tree: > > *João Botelho* married to *Jacinta Cândida* (*No birth, marriage, or > death dates unfortunately*) > Children: José Botelho, birth: 1845 Ribeira Quente, São Miguel, Açores, > Portugal > Marriage to: 6 Apr 1874, São Jose, Ponta Delgada, São Miguel, Açores, > Portugal > > I am trying to plug a few holes in my recent ancestry. I'd love to talk > with anyone who has this couple or their family. > > Thanks > > Todd > -- For options, such as changing to List, Digest, Abridged, or No Mail (vacation) mode, log into your Google account and visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/Azores. Click in the blue area on the right that says "Join this group" and it will take you to "Edit my membership." --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "Azores Genealogy" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to azores+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at https://groups.google.com/group/azores.
Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] João Botelho married to Jacinta Cândida
Thanks Cherri I see what happend. I made it look like João Botelho married to Jacinta Cândida were married when it was their son José Botelho. This is the correct information: *João Botelho* married to *Jacinta Cândida* (No birth, marriage, or death dates unfortunately) Children: José Botelho, birth: 1845 Ribeira Quente, São Miguel, Açores, Portugal. José Botelho married Maria Augusta 6 Apr 1874, São Jose, Ponta Delgada, São Miguel, Açores, Portugal Thank you for catching this error! Todd On Sat, Jul 23, 2016 at 11:03 PM, Cheri Mello <gfsche...@gmail.com> wrote: > Searched Ribeira Quente (RQ) Jan 1843-Dec 1847 (images 98-182). No Jose > born to Joao Botelho & Jacinta Candida. > > No Joao Botelho m. Jacinta Candida in RQ from 1833-1850. > > On 6 Apr 1874 in the Sao Jose church of Ponta Delgada, Joao Botelho > marries Maria Augusta. #11 on the left: > http://culturacores.azores.gov.pt/biblioteca_digital/SMG-PD-SAOJOSE-C-1870-1879/SMG-PD-SAOJOSE-C-1870-1879_item1/P113.html > > You might want to reevaluate your sources. The date and the couple aren't > meshing :( > > Cheri Mello > Listowner, Azores-Gen > Researching: Vila Franca, Ponta Garca, Ribeira Quente, Ribeira das > Tainhas, Achada > > On Sat, Jul 23, 2016 at 5:23 PM, brownat68 <browna...@gmail.com> wrote: > >> Hello >> >> Wondering if anyone has these people and their ancestors I their tree: >> >> *João Botelho* married to *Jacinta Cândida* (*No birth, marriage, or >> death dates unfortunately*) >> Children: José Botelho, birth: 1845 Ribeira Quente, São Miguel, Açores, >> Portugal >> Marriage to: 6 Apr 1874, São Jose, Ponta Delgada, São Miguel, Açores, >> Portugal >> >> I am trying to plug a few holes in my recent ancestry. I'd love to talk >> with anyone who has this couple or their family. >> >> Thanks >> >> Todd >> >> -- >> For options, such as changing to List, Digest, Abridged, or No Mail >> (vacation) mode, log into your Google account and visit this group at >> http://groups.google.com/group/Azores. Click in the blue area on the >> right that says "Join this group" and it will take you to "Edit my >> membership." >> --- >> You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups >> "Azores Genealogy" group. >> To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an >> email to azores+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. >> Visit this group at https://groups.google.com/group/azores. >> > > -- > For options, such as changing to List, Digest, Abridged, or No Mail > (vacation) mode, log into your Google account and visit this group at > http://groups.google.com/group/Azores. Click in the blue area on the > right that says "Join this group" and it will take you to "Edit my > membership." > --- > You received this message because you are subscribed to a topic in the > Google Groups "Azores Genealogy" group. > To unsubscribe from this topic, visit > https://groups.google.com/d/topic/azores/oouAr1y3sNw/unsubscribe. > To unsubscribe from this group and all its topics, send an email to > azores+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. > Visit this group at https://groups.google.com/group/azores. > -- For options, such as changing to List, Digest, Abridged, or No Mail (vacation) mode, log into your Google account and visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/Azores. Click in the blue area on the right that says "Join this group" and it will take you to "Edit my membership." --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "Azores Genealogy" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to azores+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at https://groups.google.com/group/azores.
[AZORES-Genealogy] João Botelho married to Jacinta Cândida
Hello Wondering if anyone has these people and their ancestors I their tree: *João Botelho* married to *Jacinta Cândida* (*No birth, marriage, or death dates unfortunately*) Children: José Botelho, birth: 1845 Ribeira Quente, São Miguel, Açores, Portugal Marriage to: 6 Apr 1874, São Jose, Ponta Delgada, São Miguel, Açores, Portugal I am trying to plug a few holes in my recent ancestry. I'd love to talk with anyone who has this couple or their family. Thanks Todd -- For options, such as changing to List, Digest, Abridged, or No Mail (vacation) mode, log into your Google account and visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/Azores. Click in the blue area on the right that says "Join this group" and it will take you to "Edit my membership." --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "Azores Genealogy" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to azores+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at https://groups.google.com/group/azores.
[AZORES-Genealogy] Lourenço Antonio Bonito Viera married to Ana Julia Linhares
Hello Wondering if anyone has these people and their ancestors I their tree: *Lourenço Antonio Bonito Viera* married to *Ana Julia Linhares** (No birth, marriage, or death dates unfortunately*) Children: *Luis Lourenço Bonito Viera,* Birth: 1857, Ribeira Quente, São Miguel, Açores, Portugal Marriage to: Jacinta Cândida Júlia da Costa Carneiro, 14 Jan 1880, Ribeira Quente, São Miguel, Açores, Portugal I'd love to connect with you if you do. Todd -- For options, such as changing to List, Digest, Abridged, or No Mail (vacation) mode, log into your Google account and visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/Azores. Click in the blue area on the right that says "Join this group" and it will take you to "Edit my membership." --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "Azores Genealogy" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to azores+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at https://groups.google.com/group/azores.
[AZORES-Genealogy] Re: FTDNA is changing the matching on Family Finder
Can you keep us upated when this chnage is implemeted? Todd On Tuesday, May 24, 2016 at 1:05:14 PM UTC-4, Cheri Mello wrote: > > (Cross posted to Azores, Madeira, and IslandRoutes lists) > > Family Tree DNA (FTDNA) is changing the matching formula for Family > Finder. This is the autosomal DNA test that covers all lines of the testee > back about 200 years. > > Currently, one must have 20 cMs total and the longest block must be at > least 7.69 cMs. (One percent of users had a slightly different threshold). > Currently, they are testing to show all your matches below 20 cMs total as > long as the longest block is at least 9 cMs. If the longest block is > greater than 9 cMs, the match will always show regardless of the total. > > For a bit more information, check out the link to Judy Russell's "The > Legal Genealogist" here: http://goo.gl/a7iIDO > > Many of the bloggers in her article reiterate the same thing. Debbie > Kennett's gives a bit more information. > Cheri Mello > -- For options, such as changing to List, Digest, Abridged, or No Mail (vacation) mode, log into your Google account and visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/Azores. Click in the blue area on the right that says "Join this group" and it will take you to "Edit my membership." --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "Azores Genealogy" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to azores+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at https://groups.google.com/group/azores.
Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Fixing Error in Tree
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[AZORES-Genealogy] Re: Fixing Error in Tree
Bill, Thanks for the help. Do you have a theory as to why his military information is in the record? Was military service a requirement of young people in the Azores? Was there a draft? very curious. Todd -- For options, such as changing to List, Digest, Abridged, or No Mail (vacation) mode, log into your Google account and visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/Azores. Click in the blue area on the right that says "Join this group" and it will take you to "Edit my membership." --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "Azores Genealogy" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to azores+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/azores.
[AZORES-Genealogy] Re: Fixing Error in Tree
Thanks again. I know I have the correct family line now because the Pimentel surname is showing up finally. My grandfather Furtado went to live with a Pimental family in Taunton, MA when his mother died in 1931. Todd -- For options, such as changing to List, Digest, Abridged, or No Mail (vacation) mode, log into your Google account and visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/Azores. Click in the blue area on the right that says "Join this group" and it will take you to "Edit my membership." --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "Azores Genealogy" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to azores+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/azores.
[AZORES-Genealogy] Record from Santa Maria Freguesia of Apostle São Pedro
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[AZORES-Genealogy] Record from Santa Maria Freguesia of Apostle São Pedro
Hello Can someone help me in translating this record? It's the last one, on the left side: http://culturacores.azores.gov.pt/biblioteca_digital/SMA-VP-SAOPEDRO-O-1707-1753/SMA-VP-SAOPEDRO-O-1707-1753_item1/P92.html So far I have: In the 23 October 1742...present life...Ma Tavares... Apostle São Pedro...of the age of seventy years and a Widow of Paulos Fernandes Any help deciphering it correctly would be great. Thanks Todd -- For options, such as changing to List, Digest, Abridged, or No Mail (vacation) mode, log into your Google account and visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/Azores. Click in the blue area on the right that says "Join this group" and it will take you to "Edit my membership." --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "Azores Genealogy" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to azores+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/azores.
[AZORES-Genealogy] Re: Joao Afonso das Grotas Fundas and the Counts of Benavente
This is fantastic thank you! So many of my ancestors trace back to him. Todd On Wednesday, September 2, 2015 at 11:48:19 AM UTC-4, John Raposo wrote: > > *Jo**ã**o Afonso (de Pimentel) **“**das Grotas Fundas* > *Died 2 Sept 1512* > > NB: this is the work of several people including Rodrigo Rodrigues, Andrew > Rapoza, George Pacheco, Diana cestodio Silva, in addition to those cited. > > NAME: He became known in St. Michael, Açores as "João Afonso das Grotas > Fundas" [Frutuoso]. Frutuoso never gives him the family name Pimentel nor > does he ever make reference to a relationship to the Spanish Counts of > Benevente. This claim is made by his grandson João Afonso, o Moço, of > Faial da Terra, where he died on 16.4.1577. On the cover of his will, in > an old script, it says that the said João Afonso, o Moço descendes from > the Condes de Benavente of Castile. > > > BIOGRAPHY: "The Pimentels and the Resendes families of the island of São > Miguel descended from João Afonso de Pimentel who came with these names in > the last quarter of the 15th century" [*Familias** Antigas da Povoação**]*. > (It was also suggested that he arrive in the middle of the 15th century > [James > Guill]. "He settled in the place of Grotas Fundas, on the island of São > Miguel, where he had a large family and house, by which he became > well-known on the island as João Afonso das Grotas Fundas [Frutuoso]." "The > origin of this João Afonso is wrapped in some mystery; nevertheless, his > 5th grandson [through a daughter of João Afonso], Padre Pedro Furtado > Leite, outlined his ancestry in a letter in which he wrote that his > mother was descended from João Afonso who, in turn, was the descendant of > the Counts of Benavente, of Spain. In truth, there are some nobiliaries > that refer to a son of the third Count of Benavente (there is a perfect > coincidence of dates), of the name João Afonso, who left Spain, and > disappears from history. The third Count of Benavente, Alonso de > Pimentel, also known as the Count of Mayorga, was married to Dona Maria de > Quinones y Toledo. The subsequent nobiliaries referred to their son João > Afonso de Pimentel [*Familias*]." No further details are given in *Genealogia > de los Condes y Duques de Benavente* (at the Madrid Library), however. [J. > Guill] This son would have been 60 to 70 years old when João Afonso das > Grotas Fundas made his will, His great-grea-greatr grandson, Father > Belchior Manuel de Resendes, in a letter, says that his 4th grandfather, > João Afonso das Grotas Fundas was the son of a Count and exiled himself to > S. Miguel for having committed a crime in Portugal. > > > "The Pimentels belong to one of the most illustrious families of the > Iberian peninsula and originate in Benavente, where they had a castle at > the juncture of a gigantic triangular territory formed by the lands of > Leon, Asturias, and Galicia and bordered by the rivers Esla and Orbigo [ > *Familias*]." > > One Count built a hospital by the name of Nossa Senhora do Piedade to > benefit the pilgrims traveling the Silver Route on the way to Santiago de > Compostela. The church in Ponta Garça that serves the Grotas Fundas area > where João Afonso was the first settler, was also called Nossa Senhora do > Piedade, thus further suggesting the connection between João Afonso das > Grotas Fundas and the Counts of Benavente. [*Familias*.] > > > > It may be this same João Afonso that is mentioned to have contributed 80 > moios of wheat toward a program to direct fresh water from the land of > Gaspar de Bettancurt to Ponta Delgada because before this time the > residents of that town had to rely on well water (perhaps the town's > population was growing too large to sustain itself on the number of wells > then available) [Alverne]. > > João Afonso das Grotas Fundas was again credited as being the earliest > settler of Grotas Fundas at the very beginning of Ponta Garça's settlement. > (It was also suggested that, given the isolation and difficult access to > Grotas Fundas, it could be assumed that João Afonso de Pimentel had a > motive to flee to so remote a spot [J.Guill].) He made his will on 26 May > 1511. In it he made his oldest son, João Afonso, and his son's wife, > Catarina Manuel, the executors and ordered that a third of his lands be set > aside to produce a benefit of 10,000 reis [system of money later replaced > by cruzeiros] for the purpose of having three masses said one week a year > in perpetuity; the first on Monday for his faith in God to be a blessing on > his soul; the second on Saturday in honor of the Peace of Christ and the > last one on Saturday in honor of "Nossa Senhora" with all her prayers [ > *Vida*]. > > [Alverne] *Chronicas da Provincia de São João Evangelista das Ilhas > dos Açores* > [Familias] *Familias Anitgas de Povoação* > [Frutuoso] Doutor Gaspar Frutuoso, Livro Quatro:
[AZORES-Genealogy] Re: Church of Sao Matheus in San Jose
Thanks everyone. I just wanted to make sure my information was correct. If anyone has these people in their tree I'd love to connect with you. Todd On Friday, August 28, 2015 at 7:09:11 PM UTC-4, brownat68 wrote: Hello I am hoping someone can help me with a record here: http://culturacores.azores.gov.pt/biblioteca_digital/SMG-PD-SAOJOSE-C-1702-1730/SMG-PD-SAOJOSE-C-1702-1730_item1/P49.html. It's the top bottom right. Manuel and Maria de Mattos. It's among the records of São José, Ponta Delgada. I don't understand why it says:Church of Sao Matheus Isn't that on Santa Maria? Also who is Maria da Cruz? Todd -- For options, such as changing to List, Digest, Abridged, or No Mail (vacation) mode, log into your Google account and visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/Azores. Click in the blue area on the right that says Join this group and it will take you to Edit my membership. --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups Azores Genealogy group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to azores+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/azores.
[AZORES-Genealogy] Church of Sao Matheus in San Jose
Hello I am hoping someone can help me with a record here: http://culturacores.azores.gov.pt/biblioteca_digital/SMG-PD-SAOJOSE-C-1702-1730/SMG-PD-SAOJOSE-C-1702-1730_item1/P49.html. It's the top bottom right. Manuel and Maria de Mattos. It's among the records of São José, Ponta Delgada. I don't understand why it says:Church of Sao Matheus Isn't that on Santa Maria? Also who is Maria da Cruz? Todd -- For options, such as changing to List, Digest, Abridged, or No Mail (vacation) mode, log into your Google account and visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/Azores. Click in the blue area on the right that says Join this group and it will take you to Edit my membership. --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups Azores Genealogy group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to azores+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/azores.
[AZORES-Genealogy] Re: Translation on damaged record
Thank you everyone. Todd On Sunday, August 16, 2015 at 7:52:25 PM UTC-4, brownat68 wrote: Hello Can anyone translate the first record on the top right side? It is heavily damaged. http://culturacores.azores.gov.pt/biblioteca_digital/SMA-VP-SAOPEDRO-B-1670-1707/SMA-VP-SAOPEDRO-B-1670-1707_item1/P49.html This is a distant cousin on mine. My family must have either came from Portugal to both Sao Miguel and Santa Maria or they branched off Sao Miguel to Santa Maria. Todd -- For options, such as changing to List, Digest, Abridged, or No Mail (vacation) mode, log into your Google account and visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/Azores. Click in the blue area on the right that says Join this group and it will take you to Edit my membership. --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups Azores Genealogy group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to azores+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/azores.
[AZORES-Genealogy] Translation on damaged record
Hello Can anyone translate the first record on the top right side? It is heavily damaged. http://culturacores.azores.gov.pt/biblioteca_digital/SMA-VP-SAOPEDRO-B-1670-1707/SMA-VP-SAOPEDRO-B-1670-1707_item1/P49.html This is a distant cousin on mine. My family must have either came from Portugal to both Sao Miguel and Santa Maria or they branched off Sao Miguel to Santa Maria. Todd -- For options, such as changing to List, Digest, Abridged, or No Mail (vacation) mode, log into your Google account and visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/Azores. Click in the blue area on the right that says Join this group and it will take you to Edit my membership. --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups Azores Genealogy group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to azores+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/azores.
[AZORES-Genealogy] Re: 1757 Rosario baptism child of Manoel de Couto Pimentel and Maria de Mello
What Parish is this taking place at? I'm curious because The surnames Mello and Pimental are in my family and were synonymous with each other according to my mother from Ribera Quente. Todd On Sunday, July 26, 2015 at 6:09:55 PM UTC-4, audiosourceinc wrote: I would like help with the name(s) of the person being baptized. I am not sure if this record is for twins Joao and Pedro or if it is one son, with a name I am not familiar with. All help is appreciated. It is the top record. http://culturacores.azores.gov.pt/biblioteca_digital/SMG-LG-ROSARIO-B-1756-1772/SMG-LG-ROSARIO-B-1756-1772_item1/P44.html Thank you, Erica Botelho -- For options, such as changing to List, Digest, Abridged, or No Mail (vacation) mode, log into your Google account and visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/Azores. Click in the blue area on the right that says Join this group and it will take you to Edit my membership. --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups Azores Genealogy group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to azores+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/azores.
Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] João Afonso das Grotas Fundas
Hello I was wondering if there were any updates on this thread. Has the connection of João Afonso Pimentel das Grotas Fundas to Alfonso Pimentel, 3rd Count of Bonavente been proven or disproved? Todd On Wednesday, July 17, 2013 at 10:09:23 AM UTC-4, mances wrote: Oi George, Espero que tudo tenha corrido bem na sua cirurgia, e desejo que você se recupere logo. Passei também recentemente por um problema de câncer na minha família. Meu irmão operou no dia 24 do mês passado de um câncer no assoalho da boca, e passa bem graças a Deus. Agora ele vai fazer a radioterapia para evitar o retorno do câncer. Um grande abraço, e aguardo a suas notícias sobre o João Afonso das Grotas Fundas. Manoel 2013/7/17 George Pacheco bretan...@gmail.com javascript: Hello Manoel I have a book called os pimenteis I beloved it has them in it I will check after I leave the hospital. On Tuesday, July 16, 2013, mances man...@gmail.com javascript: wrote: John, Thank you so much. You know that RR doesn´t list Leonor Manuel as daughter of João Afonso, o Velho, but Miguel Corte Real does and says that she married Antonio Fernandes Furtado who according to RR married Águeda Afonso. I’ve been looking through all the baptism records of Faial da Terra from 1555 to 1700 and noticed that it´s possible that Antonio Fernandes Furtado married twice. Does MCR mention any notarial document to prove his marriage with Leonor Manuel? After researching all baptisms and godparents in Faial da Terra in this time period I believe that João Roiz Monte (b. 18 dec 1605 – CCA #50) is the son of Antonio Afonso and Francisca Roiz, paternal grandson of Pedro Cordeiro, o velho, and Francisca Jorge, and maternal grandson of Amador do Monte and Branca Manuel. Manoel Em terça-feira, 16 de julho de 2013 13h39min22s UTC-3, John Raposo escreveu: Here is whatt Miguel de Figueiredo Corte-Real, of happy memory, has to say in his Descendentes dos Condes de Benavente radicados nos Açores desde o Século XV (Estudo Histórico Genealógico published in the Boletim do Instituto Histórico da Ilha Terceira: p. 71: I, João Afonso de Pimentel, o velho, x, Catarina Manuel, daughter of Manuel Domingues and Isabel Manuel p. 91: II. Leonor Manuel x. António Fernandes Furtado: p. 91. Maria Manuel x. Roque Álvares p. 91-92: Ana Afonso, b. FdT 10.1.1563 x Jorge Afonso, son of Afonso Álvares and Maria Gonçalves p. 92: Susana Afonso, b. FdT 15.3.1587 x. Gregório Rebelo Carreiro, son of Manuel Vaz Carreiro from Água Retorta, ad Joana Ferreira. p. 93: Ana Afonso, b. 17.5.1612 in Fail da terra; x, Capt, João Roiz do Monte, Com Geração. Here is what I have, for what it is worth: Ahnentafel Chart for Francisca Inacia Rebelo or Roiz First Generation 1. Francisca Inacia Rebelo or Roiz was born on 14 Jun 1648 in Faial da Terra- NS da Graca. She died before 18 Aug 1725. Francisca married Manuel Pereira Fagundes son of Antonio Fagundes Alferes and Catarina Pereira in Faial da Terra- NS da G From: mances man...@gmail.com To: azo...@googlegroups.com Sent: Tuesday, July 16, 2013 10:26 AM Subject: [AZORES-Genealogy] João Afonso das Grotas Fundas Does anyone have the article written by Miguel de Figueiredo Corte-Real published in the Boletim do Instituto Histórico da Ilha Terceira, Separata do Volume XLIV – 1986, “Descendentes dos Condes de Benavente Radicados nos Açores desde o século XV” ? I descend from Ana Afonso married to capitão João Roiz Monte from Faial da Terra, S. Miguel. I’ve read in the family search website that according to Miguel de Figueiredo Corte-Real Ana Afonso was born in Faial da Terra on 11 may 1612, and was daughter of Gregório Rebelo [Carreiro] and Susana Afonso de Pimentel. All her ancestry way back to the settlers João Afonso das Grotas Fundas and Rodrigo Afonso [Furtado] is in this work by Miguel Corte-Real. I am curious about the notarial documentation used to prove this connection. Manoel Cesar Furtado -- For options, such as changing to List, Digest, Abridged, or No Mail (vacation) mode, log into your Google account and visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/Azores. Click in the blue area on the right that says Join this group and it will take you to Edit my membership. --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups Azores Genealogy group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to azores+un...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to azo...@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/azores. -- For options, such as changing to List, Digest, Abridged, or No Mail (vacation) mode, log into your Google account and visit this group
[AZORES-Genealogy] Re: Teves Family Translation
I do not have records of them traveling to Hawaii but I have DNA matches in Hawaii to people with Teves in their family. So at some point members of the family traveled there. Maybe in the mid to late 1800's. If you like I can send you a report on the all my Teves from my RootsMajicprogram? Todd On Friday, April 3, 2015 at 6:50:48 PM UTC-4, brownat68 wrote: Olá The Teves surname is intertwined mainly throughout my mothers maternal line. The Teves are also found in a few other places in my family ancestry but not like my mothers maternal line where they show up in either marriage or as witnesses. This surname is very mysterious to me so I always try to find any information on them. I came across this record with the name Teves in it. It looks like Mathray Teves? I also think I see the word david? freguisa? Pentitentia? patriarch? decree? And the signature looks like Rebello? The record is here: http://culturacores.azores.gov.pt/biblioteca_digital/SMG-PD-SAOJOSE-O-1641-1714/SMG-PD-SAOJOSE-O-1641-1714_item1/P195.html. First record on the left. Any help would be appreciated. I have been trying to learn to read these records better. I'm curious if this sheds any light on the Teves family. If anyone has any information on the Teves from São Miguel would love to hear it. Todd -- For options, such as changing to List, Digest, Abridged, or No Mail (vacation) mode, log into your Google account and visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/Azores. Click in the blue area on the right that says Join this group and it will take you to Edit my membership. --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups Azores Genealogy group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to azores+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/azores.
[AZORES-Genealogy] Re: Teves Family Translation
I don't think Mathias is a direct descendant no but I was hoping that the record would give me some insight on the Teves family as a whole. I saw the word Patriarch and was hoping that since it is an early record it would shed some information on the Teves family. The Teves in my family were all mariners and my mother was told a story that parts of her family were not originally from the Azores but someplace before that. Thanks Todd On Friday, April 3, 2015 at 6:50:48 PM UTC-4, brownat68 wrote: Olá The Teves surname is intertwined mainly throughout my mothers maternal line. The Teves are also found in a few other places in my family ancestry but not like my mothers maternal line where they show up in either marriage or as witnesses. This surname is very mysterious to me so I always try to find any information on them. I came across this record with the name Teves in it. It looks like Mathray Teves? I also think I see the word david? freguisa? Pentitentia? patriarch? decree? And the signature looks like Rebello? The record is here: http://culturacores.azores.gov.pt/biblioteca_digital/SMG-PD-SAOJOSE-O-1641-1714/SMG-PD-SAOJOSE-O-1641-1714_item1/P195.html. First record on the left. Any help would be appreciated. I have been trying to learn to read these records better. I'm curious if this sheds any light on the Teves family. If anyone has any information on the Teves from São Miguel would love to hear it. Todd -- For options, such as changing to List, Digest, Abridged, or No Mail (vacation) mode, log into your Google account and visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/Azores. Click in the blue area on the right that says Join this group and it will take you to Edit my membership. --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups Azores Genealogy group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to azores+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/azores.
[AZORES-Genealogy] Teves Family Translation
Olá The Teves surname is intertwined mainly throughout my mothers maternal line. The Teves are also found in a few other places in my family ancestry but not like my mothers maternal line where they show up in either marriage or as witnesses. This surname is very mysterious to me so I always try to find any information on them. I came across this record with the name Teves in it. It looks like Mathray Teves? I also think I see the word david? freguisa? Pentitentia? patriarch? decree? And the signature looks like Rebello? The record is here: http://culturacores.azores.gov.pt/biblioteca_digital/SMG-PD-SAOJOSE-O-1641-1714/SMG-PD-SAOJOSE-O-1641-1714_item1/P195.html. First record on the left. Any help would be appreciated. I have been trying to learn to read these records better. I'm curious if this sheds any light on the Teves family. If anyone has any information on the Teves from São Miguel would love to hear it. Todd -- For options, such as changing to List, Digest, Abridged, or No Mail (vacation) mode, log into your Google account and visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/Azores. Click in the blue area on the right that says Join this group and it will take you to Edit my membership. --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups Azores Genealogy group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to azores+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/azores.
[AZORES-Genealogy] Re: Translation
Thank you everyone. This is fantastic. You helped me find the cousin of my last grandmother Luzia de Teves. Todd On Tuesday, March 31, 2015 at 11:02:28 PM UTC-4, brownat68 wrote: Hello Can the last record on the right at this link be translated? http://culturacores.azores.gov.pt/biblioteca_digital/SMG-PD-SAOJOSE-C-1630-1701/SMG-PD-SAOJOSE-C-1630-1701_item1/P25.html Thanks Todd -- For options, such as changing to List, Digest, Abridged, or No Mail (vacation) mode, log into your Google account and visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/Azores. Click in the blue area on the right that says Join this group and it will take you to Edit my membership. --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups Azores Genealogy group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to azores+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/azores.
[AZORES-Genealogy] Translation
Hello Can the last record on the right at this link be translated? http://culturacores.azores.gov.pt/biblioteca_digital/SMG-PD-SAOJOSE-C-1630-1701/SMG-PD-SAOJOSE-C-1630-1701_item1/P25.html Thanks Todd -- For options, such as changing to List, Digest, Abridged, or No Mail (vacation) mode, log into your Google account and visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/Azores. Click in the blue area on the right that says Join this group and it will take you to Edit my membership. --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups Azores Genealogy group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to azores+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/azores.
Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Translation
Thank you Todd On Monday, March 30, 2015 at 11:08:55 PM UTC-4, Moreno22 wrote: Marcos Goncalves da Fonsequa (fonseca) On Mon, Mar 30, 2015 at 9:53 PM, Margaret Vicente margare...@gmail.com javascript: wrote: Hi Todd, April 15 1641 joined in marriage in the Parish of Santa Clara (now Sao Jose) Simao de Matos son of Francisco Goncalves and his wife Isabel de Matos, both deceased, with Maria Falcoa (Falcao) daughter of Marcos Goncalves da ( I can't make out this word looks like Fonseca (Fonceca) and his wife Isabel de Nabais (Novais), both deceased. Take care, Margaret Vicente On Mon, Mar 30, 2015 at 1:50 PM, brownat68 brow...@gmail.com javascript: wrote: Hello Can someone translate the last records on the right for me? http://culturacores.azores.gov.pt/biblioteca_digital/SMG-PD-SAOJOSE-C-1630-1701/SMG-PD-SAOJOSE-C-1630-1701_item1/P23.html Todd -- For options, such as changing to List, Digest, Abridged, or No Mail (vacation) mode, log into your Google account and visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/Azores. Click in the blue area on the right that says Join this group and it will take you to Edit my membership. --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups Azores Genealogy group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to azores+un...@googlegroups.com javascript:. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/azores. -- Margaret M Vicente -- For options, such as changing to List, Digest, Abridged, or No Mail (vacation) mode, log into your Google account and visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/Azores. Click in the blue area on the right that says Join this group and it will take you to Edit my membership. --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups Azores Genealogy group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to azores+un...@googlegroups.com javascript:. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/azores. -- www.georgepacheco.com -- For options, such as changing to List, Digest, Abridged, or No Mail (vacation) mode, log into your Google account and visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/Azores. Click in the blue area on the right that says Join this group and it will take you to Edit my membership. --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups Azores Genealogy group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to azores+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/azores.
Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Translation
Thank you Todd On Monday, March 30, 2015 at 11:08:55 PM UTC-4, Moreno22 wrote: Marcos Goncalves da Fonsequa (fonseca) On Mon, Mar 30, 2015 at 9:53 PM, Margaret Vicente margare...@gmail.com javascript: wrote: Hi Todd, April 15 1641 joined in marriage in the Parish of Santa Clara (now Sao Jose) Simao de Matos son of Francisco Goncalves and his wife Isabel de Matos, both deceased, with Maria Falcoa (Falcao) daughter of Marcos Goncalves da ( I can't make out this word looks like Fonseca (Fonceca) and his wife Isabel de Nabais (Novais), both deceased. Take care, Margaret Vicente On Mon, Mar 30, 2015 at 1:50 PM, brownat68 brow...@gmail.com javascript: wrote: Hello Can someone translate the last records on the right for me? http://culturacores.azores.gov.pt/biblioteca_digital/SMG-PD-SAOJOSE-C-1630-1701/SMG-PD-SAOJOSE-C-1630-1701_item1/P23.html Todd -- For options, such as changing to List, Digest, Abridged, or No Mail (vacation) mode, log into your Google account and visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/Azores. Click in the blue area on the right that says Join this group and it will take you to Edit my membership. --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups Azores Genealogy group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to azores+un...@googlegroups.com javascript:. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/azores. -- Margaret M Vicente -- For options, such as changing to List, Digest, Abridged, or No Mail (vacation) mode, log into your Google account and visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/Azores. Click in the blue area on the right that says Join this group and it will take you to Edit my membership. --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups Azores Genealogy group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to azores+un...@googlegroups.com javascript:. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/azores. -- www.georgepacheco.com -- For options, such as changing to List, Digest, Abridged, or No Mail (vacation) mode, log into your Google account and visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/Azores. Click in the blue area on the right that says Join this group and it will take you to Edit my membership. --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups Azores Genealogy group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to azores+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/azores.
[AZORES-Genealogy] Translation
Hello Can someone translate the last records on the right for me? http://culturacores.azores.gov.pt/biblioteca_digital/SMG-PD-SAOJOSE-C-1630-1701/SMG-PD-SAOJOSE-C-1630-1701_item1/P23.html Todd -- For options, such as changing to List, Digest, Abridged, or No Mail (vacation) mode, log into your Google account and visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/Azores. Click in the blue area on the right that says Join this group and it will take you to Edit my membership. --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups Azores Genealogy group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to azores+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/azores.
Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Records for Jacinta Teves 1860
Cheri, Sorry about all the confusion. I uploaded my gedcom again. Let me know if you see any problems. Todd On Tuesday, July 29, 2014 6:05:12 PM UTC-4, Cheri Mello wrote: Todd, Too many records all at once. I'm confused. I logged into your DNA page, your mom's and your uncle's to try to see your tree so I could figure out what you are talking about, but the Gedcom export must have been screwy. Lots of unknowns in your tree (like every other generation) so something went wrong. I see your Maria de Jesús Augusta Teves, born 13 June 1850 but São José, Ponta Delgada is not listed (it came through blank so you might want to reupload your Gedcom). It also says she is the daughter of unknown unknown but goes back several generations. I'm guessing when you did your Gedcom export you made some details private, so this every other generation of unknown is really sitting there in your tree. As for the list of records, I'm not sure what you want anyone to say. You didn't say that the first record is for Maria, daughter of so-and-so. If you can help clarify, I'm sure people can help you. Cheri Mello Listowner, Azores-Gen Researching: Vila Franca, Ponta Garca, Ribeira Quente, Ribeira das Tainhas, Achada -- For options, such as changing to List, Digest, Abridged, or No Mail (vacation) mode, log into your Google account and visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/Azores. Click in the blue area on the right that says Join this group and it will take you to Edit my membership. --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups Azores Genealogy group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to azores+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/azores.
Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Records for Jacinta Teves 1860
Thank you very much! Major question solved. The relationship between my mothers family and the Jesse's Todd On Tuesday, July 29, 2014 7:16:12 PM UTC-4, JR wrote: http://culturacores.azores.gov.pt/biblioteca_digital/SMG-PD-SAOJOSE-C-1870-1879/SMG-PD-SAOJOSE-C-1870-1879_item1/P273.html The above must be your ancestors. May 5- 1879, in church of Sao Jose, Ponta Delgada, married without civil or canonical impediment: Francisco Jacinto to Jacinta de Jesus He is 30 yrs old, single, maritimo (fisherman or seaman), legitimate son of Antonio Jacinto and Anna d' Augusta; She is 24 yrs old, single, domestic, daughter of Jacinto de Teves and Anna de Jesus, all are natives of this said church of Sao Jose, where engaged and baptised, and discharged their religious duties; residents of rua de Santa Clara of this fraguesia. Witnesses were: Francisco da Costa, maritimo and Joao Jose, pedreiro (stone worker), both married and residents of said street. Signed: Parocho (priest) Antonio Lucianno Horta JR On Tuesday, July 29, 2014 6:05:12 PM UTC-4, Cheri Mello wrote: Todd, Too many records all at once. I'm confused. I logged into your DNA page, your mom's and your uncle's to try to see your tree so I could figure out what you are talking about, but the Gedcom export must have been screwy. Lots of unknowns in your tree (like every other generation) so something went wrong. I see your Maria de Jesús Augusta Teves, born 13 June 1850 but São José, Ponta Delgada is not listed (it came through blank so you might want to reupload your Gedcom). It also says she is the daughter of unknown unknown but goes back several generations. I'm guessing when you did your Gedcom export you made some details private, so this every other generation of unknown is really sitting there in your tree. As for the list of records, I'm not sure what you want anyone to say. You didn't say that the first record is for Maria, daughter of so-and-so. If you can help clarify, I'm sure people can help you. Cheri Mello Listowner, Azores-Gen Researching: Vila Franca, Ponta Garca, Ribeira Quente, Ribeira das Tainhas, Achada -- For options, such as changing to List, Digest, Abridged, or No Mail (vacation) mode, log into your Google account and visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/Azores. Click in the blue area on the right that says Join this group and it will take you to Edit my membership. --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups Azores Genealogy group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to azores+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/azores.
Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Records for Jacinta Teves 1860
Thanks for all the information everyone! Todd On Tuesday, July 29, 2014 9:15:57 PM UTC-4, Cheri Mello wrote: Geez, I'm glad you got all that figured out. I just must be too tired to figure it out! Cheri Mello Listowner, Azores-Gen Researching: Vila Franca, Ponta Garca, Ribeira Quente, Ribeira das Tainhas, Achada -- For options, such as changing to List, Digest, Abridged, or No Mail (vacation) mode, log into your Google account and visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/Azores. Click in the blue area on the right that says Join this group and it will take you to Edit my membership. --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups Azores Genealogy group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to azores+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/azores.
[AZORES-Genealogy] CCA Website
Hello I haven't been on the CCA website for a while and it looks like things changed a bit. Where can I look at records of birth for São José, Ponta Delgada, about 1860 plus or minus? Todd -- For options, such as changing to List, Digest, Abridged, or No Mail (vacation) mode, log into your Google account and visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/Azores. Click in the blue area on the right that says Join this group and it will take you to Edit my membership. --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups Azores Genealogy group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to azores+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/azores.
Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] CCA Website
Thanks Pam! Todd On Tue, Jul 29, 2014 at 1:41 PM, Pam Santos pamsanto...@gmail.com wrote: http://www.culturacores.azores.gov.pt/ig/registos/Default.aspx click on the arrows down on the left from Illa put Sao Miguel and then then one down put Ponta Delgada and then the next one down put Sao Jose On Tue, Jul 29, 2014 at 9:42 AM, brownat68 browna...@gmail.com wrote: Hello I haven't been on the CCA website for a while and it looks like things changed a bit. Where can I look at records of birth for São José, Ponta Delgada, about 1860 plus or minus? Todd -- For options, such as changing to List, Digest, Abridged, or No Mail (vacation) mode, log into your Google account and visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/Azores. Click in the blue area on the right that says Join this group and it will take you to Edit my membership. --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups Azores Genealogy group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to azores+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/azores. -- For options, such as changing to List, Digest, Abridged, or No Mail (vacation) mode, log into your Google account and visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/Azores. Click in the blue area on the right that says Join this group and it will take you to Edit my membership. --- You received this message because you are subscribed to a topic in the Google Groups Azores Genealogy group. To unsubscribe from this topic, visit https://groups.google.com/d/topic/azores/0Gn-guPN6Ik/unsubscribe. To unsubscribe from this group and all its topics, send an email to azores+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/azores. -- For options, such as changing to List, Digest, Abridged, or No Mail (vacation) mode, log into your Google account and visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/Azores. Click in the blue area on the right that says Join this group and it will take you to Edit my membership. --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups Azores Genealogy group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to azores+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/azores.
[AZORES-Genealogy] Records for Jacinta Teves 1860
Hello I am very new to reading these records so I might need a few tries at this.The writing on some of these is really hard to read. Others not so bad. I am looking for Jacintha Teves birth record born around 1860. Later on she would marry a Francisco Jacinto but I do not know the year or the village. Maybe São José, Ponta Delgada also. Parents are: Jacinto de Teves born 1802 Ana Cândida De Jesus Souza Born 1811. I believe these two immigrated to Hawaii but that is another story... I think Jacintha Teves is my great aunt and sister to my great grandmother Maria de Jesús Augusta Teves, Birth 13 June 1850 in São José, Ponta Delgada because my mother was told that they were related back in the Azores and I am looking for the connection. Francisco Jacinto is my great, great grandmothers godfather. Do I have the correct records: http://culturacores.azores.gov.pt/biblioteca_digital/SMG-PD-SAOJOSE-B-1860-1864/SMG-PD-SAOJOSE-B-1860-1864_item1/P27.html http://culturacores.azores.gov.pt/biblioteca_digital/SMG-PD-SAOJOSE-B-1860-1864/SMG-PD-SAOJOSE-B-1860-1864_item1/P25.html http://culturacores.azores.gov.pt/biblioteca_digital/SMG-PD-SAOJOSE-B-1860-1864/SMG-PD-SAOJOSE-B-1860-1864_item1/P29.html http://culturacores.azores.gov.pt/biblioteca_digital/SMG-PD-SAOJOSE-B-1860-1864/SMG-PD-SAOJOSE-B-1860-1864_item1/P36.html http://culturacores.azores.gov.pt/biblioteca_digital/SMG-PD-SAOJOSE-B-1860-1864/SMG-PD-SAOJOSE-B-1860-1864_item1/P37.html Are any of these correct? Todd -- For options, such as changing to List, Digest, Abridged, or No Mail (vacation) mode, log into your Google account and visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/Azores. Click in the blue area on the right that says Join this group and it will take you to Edit my membership. --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups Azores Genealogy group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to azores+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/azores.
Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Marriage record finding and translation
Thanks Pam. You related to the Santos in North Plymouth? Todd On Wed, Mar 26, 2014 at 7:47 PM, Pam Santos pamsanto...@gmail.com wrote: The link to marriage is in my post it's in SM Vila Franca do campo On Wednesday, March 26, 2014, brownat68 . browna...@gmail.com wrote: Thanks for the Glossary and the translation. What *Freguesia *was it? São Pedro? I know it was São Miguel, Vila Franca do Campo correct? I want to find this record myself. Sorry for so many questions... Todd On Tue, Mar 25, 2014 at 6:17 PM, Shirley Allegre shir...@digitalpath.net wrote: Hi all: This is how I read that marriage: DOM 22 August 1895, SM-VFDC Item 21, page 19 R Antonio Miguel Furtado, single, age 24, native, resident, baptised this freguesia. (Jose Miguel Furtado, fisherman, native Sao Paulo- Ribeira Quente, Sao Miguel, Azores X Anna de Jesus, domestic/housewife, native this freguesia) SPOUSE Maria do Rosario, single, age 20, (Manoel Luis X Maria de Jesus), natives this freguesia Next page: TESTIMONY Vicente d'AndradeJulio de Pimentel, all married, workers, and residents of this freguesia. Shirley in CA - Original Message - *From:* Pam Santos *To:* azores@googlegroups.com *Sent:* Tuesday, March 25, 2014 12:52 PM *Subject:* Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Marriage record finding and translation The dates are written out Here is your marriage right page. married on 22 Aug 1895 http://culturacores.azores.gov.pt/biblioteca_digital/SMG-VF-SAOMIGUEL-C-1895-1899/SMG-VF-SAOMIGUEL-C-1895-1899_item1/P21.html On Tue, Mar 25, 2014 at 12:14 PM, brownat68 . browna...@gmail.comwrote: How do you read the dates on the pages, they must be written in longhand? If I could read the years I could find them a lot easier. Todd On Mon, Mar 24, 2014 at 12:07 PM, Cheri Mello gfsche...@gmail.comwrote: Todd, No, not the right record. The groom was a Andrade. Vila Franca has 2 churches: Sao Miguel Arcanjo and Sao Pedro. Which church? Since you're my cousin, go back and duplicate some of my research. For example, look for Victorino de Mello and Maria Joaquina (or whatever name she married under). See if you can find that record and post it. Find a few others. Then jump into the unchartered territory. You'll be surprised at how much your reading has increased. Cheri Mello Listowner, Azores-Gen Researching: Vila Franca, Ponta Garca, Ribeira Quente, Ribeira das Tainhas, Achada -- For options, such as changing to List, Digest, Abridged, or No Mail (vacation) mode, log into your Google account and visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/Azores. Click in the blue area on the right that says Join this group and it will take you to Edit my membership. --- You received this message because you are subscribed to a topic in the Google Groups Azores Genealogy group. To unsubscribe from this topic, visit https://groups.google.com/d/topic/azores/l-6pITESPSs/unsubscribe. To unsubscribe from this group and all its topics, send an email to azores+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/azores. -- For options, such as changing to List, Digest, Abridged, or No Mail (vacation) mode, log into your Google account and visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/Azores. Click in the blue area on the right that says Join this group and it will take you to Edit my membership. --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups Azores Genealogy group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to azores+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/azores.
Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Marriage record finding and translation
Thanks for the Glossary and the translation. What *Freguesia *was it? São Pedro? I know it was São Miguel, Vila Franca do Campo correct? I want to find this record myself. Sorry for so many questions... Todd On Tue, Mar 25, 2014 at 6:17 PM, Shirley Allegre shir...@digitalpath.netwrote: Hi all: This is how I read that marriage: DOM 22 August 1895, SM-VFDC Item 21, page 19 R Antonio Miguel Furtado, single, age 24, native, resident, baptised this freguesia. (Jose Miguel Furtado, fisherman, native Sao Paulo- Ribeira Quente, Sao Miguel, Azores X Anna de Jesus, domestic/housewife, native this freguesia) SPOUSE Maria do Rosario, single, age 20, (Manoel Luis X Maria de Jesus), natives this freguesia Next page: TESTIMONY Vicente d'AndradeJulio de Pimentel, all married, workers, and residents of this freguesia. Shirley in CA - Original Message - *From:* Pam Santos pamsanto...@gmail.com *To:* azores@googlegroups.com *Sent:* Tuesday, March 25, 2014 12:52 PM *Subject:* Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Marriage record finding and translation The dates are written out Here is your marriage right page. married on 22 Aug 1895 http://culturacores.azores.gov.pt/biblioteca_digital/SMG-VF-SAOMIGUEL-C-1895-1899/SMG-VF-SAOMIGUEL-C-1895-1899_item1/P21.html On Tue, Mar 25, 2014 at 12:14 PM, brownat68 . browna...@gmail.com wrote: How do you read the dates on the pages, they must be written in longhand? If I could read the years I could find them a lot easier. Todd On Mon, Mar 24, 2014 at 12:07 PM, Cheri Mello gfsche...@gmail.comwrote: Todd, No, not the right record. The groom was a Andrade. Vila Franca has 2 churches: Sao Miguel Arcanjo and Sao Pedro. Which church? Since you're my cousin, go back and duplicate some of my research. For example, look for Victorino de Mello and Maria Joaquina (or whatever name she married under). See if you can find that record and post it. Find a few others. Then jump into the unchartered territory. You'll be surprised at how much your reading has increased. Cheri Mello Listowner, Azores-Gen Researching: Vila Franca, Ponta Garca, Ribeira Quente, Ribeira das Tainhas, Achada -- For options, such as changing to List, Digest, Abridged, or No Mail (vacation) mode, log into your Google account and visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/Azores. Click in the blue area on the right that says Join this group and it will take you to Edit my membership. --- You received this message because you are subscribed to a topic in the Google Groups Azores Genealogy group. To unsubscribe from this topic, visit https://groups.google.com/d/topic/azores/l-6pITESPSs/unsubscribe. To unsubscribe from this group and all its topics, send an email to azores+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/azores. -- For options, such as changing to List, Digest, Abridged, or No Mail (vacation) mode, log into your Google account and visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/Azores. Click in the blue area on the right that says Join this group and it will take you to Edit my membership. --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups Azores Genealogy group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to azores+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/azores. -- For options, such as changing to List, Digest, Abridged, or No Mail (vacation) mode, log into your Google account and visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/Azores. Click in the blue area on the right that says Join this group and it will take you to Edit my membership. --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups Azores Genealogy group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to azores+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/azores. -- For options, such as changing to List, Digest, Abridged, or No Mail (vacation) mode, log into your Google account and visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/Azores. Click in the blue area on the right that says Join this group and it will take you to Edit my membership. --- You received this message because you are subscribed to a topic in the Google Groups Azores Genealogy group. To unsubscribe from this topic, visit https://groups.google.com/d/topic/azores/l-6pITESPSs/unsubscribe. To unsubscribe from this group and all its topics, send an email to azores+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/azores. -- For options, such as changing to List, Digest, Abridged, or No Mail (vacation) mode, log into your Google account and visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/Azores. Click in the blue area on the right that says Join this group
Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Marriage record finding and translation
How do you read the dates on the pages, they must be written in longhand? If I could read the years I could find them a lot easier. Todd On Mon, Mar 24, 2014 at 12:07 PM, Cheri Mello gfsche...@gmail.com wrote: Todd, No, not the right record. The groom was a Andrade. Vila Franca has 2 churches: Sao Miguel Arcanjo and Sao Pedro. Which church? Since you're my cousin, go back and duplicate some of my research. For example, look for Victorino de Mello and Maria Joaquina (or whatever name she married under). See if you can find that record and post it. Find a few others. Then jump into the unchartered territory. You'll be surprised at how much your reading has increased. Cheri Mello Listowner, Azores-Gen Researching: Vila Franca, Ponta Garca, Ribeira Quente, Ribeira das Tainhas, Achada -- For options, such as changing to List, Digest, Abridged, or No Mail (vacation) mode, log into your Google account and visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/Azores. Click in the blue area on the right that says Join this group and it will take you to Edit my membership. --- You received this message because you are subscribed to a topic in the Google Groups Azores Genealogy group. To unsubscribe from this topic, visit https://groups.google.com/d/topic/azores/l-6pITESPSs/unsubscribe. To unsubscribe from this group and all its topics, send an email to azores+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/azores. -- For options, such as changing to List, Digest, Abridged, or No Mail (vacation) mode, log into your Google account and visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/Azores. Click in the blue area on the right that says Join this group and it will take you to Edit my membership. --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups Azores Genealogy group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to azores+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/azores.
[AZORES-Genealogy] Marriage record finding and translation
Hello I am just starting to use the CCA website to find my ancestros and I want to see if I found the correct records. I am looking for the marriage records of my great great grandparents:Antonio Miguel Furtado Maria do Rosario Luiz. Antonio Miguel Furtado Birth 1873 in Vila Franca do Campo, São Miguel, Açores, PT Marriage to Maria do Rosario Luiz: 1896 about Age: 23, Vila Franca do Campo, São Miguel, Açores, PT Death 21 June 1950 in Plymouth, Plymouth, Massachusetts, USA Maria do Rosario Luiz Birth 1875 in Vila Franca do Campo, São Miguel, Açores, PT Death 10 April 1931 in Plymouth, Plymouth, Massachusetts, USA I found the following record: http://culturacores.azores.gov.pt/biblioteca_digital/SMG-VF-SAOPEDRO-C-1889-1899/SMG-VF-SAOPEDRO-C-1889-1899_item1/P64.html Did I find the correct record? I am 100% new to this. Thanks Todd -- For options, such as changing to List, Digest, Abridged, or No Mail (vacation) mode, log into your Google account and visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/Azores. Click in the blue area on the right that says Join this group and it will take you to Edit my membership. --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups Azores Genealogy group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to azores+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/azores.
Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Looking for immigration info for Ana Cândida De Jesus Souza
Thanks Todd On Fri, Jan 24, 2014 at 4:05 PM, Richard Francis Pimentel rfrancispimen...@comcast.net wrote: *Hi Todd,* *Just some of my general impressions. I would say she died in the Azores. Have you checked the records of Santa Casa Misericordia which is part of the Sao Jose Records? The name Ana de Jesus Sousa is a common name so unless this person can trace her Ana back to Ponta Delgade I would not get too excited about it. Your Ana's daughter Maria de Jesus Agusta Teves did not immigrate until she was 50 years old leads me to believe her mother was most likely deceased by that time (1900) or did not want to move in her old age (if she was still alive she would be 90 years old).* *Rick* *Richard Francis Pimentel* *Spring, TX* *From:* azores@googlegroups.com [mailto:azores@googlegroups.com] *On Behalf Of *brownat68 *Sent:* Friday, January 24, 2014 2:42 PM *To:* azores@googlegroups.com *Subject:* [AZORES-Genealogy] Looking for immigration info for Ana Cândida De Jesus Souza Hello I am looking for possible immigration info for: Ana Cândida De Jesus Souza. I have her birth and marriage record from the Azores but there is no death record. I am thinking she immigrated to the United States. Ana Cândida De Jesus Souza Birth 1811 28 Oct São José, Ponta Delgada Baptism 1811 1 Nov São José, Ponta Delgada, São Miguel Island Marriage to António do Rego 1827 7 Oct Age: 15 São José, Ponta Delgada Marriage to Jacinto de Teves 1838 30 Dec Age: 27 São José, Ponta Delgada, São Miguel Island Parents Luis de Teves 1778 - 1839 Clara de Jesus 1780 - 1856 First husband: António do Rego Child: Maria de Jesús Augusta Teves 1850 - 1931 Passport 1903 19 Oct Age: 50 Ponta Delgada, São Miguel, Açores, PT Arrival 1903 31 Oct Age: 50 Boston, Suffolk, Massachusetts, USA SS Cambroman A women has contacted me saying she has a match to Ana de Jesus Souza in her tree that matches mine but she says they immigrated from Portugal to West Virginia. All of the following children of Ana Cândida immigrated to Massachusetts. Thanks Todd -- For options, such as changing to List, Digest, Abridged, or No Mail (vacation) mode, log into your Google account and visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/Azores. Click in the blue area on the right that says Join this group and it will take you to Edit my membership. --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups Azores Genealogy group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to azores+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to azores@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/azores. -- For options, such as changing to List, Digest, Abridged, or No Mail (vacation) mode, log into your Google account and visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/Azores. Click in the blue area on the right that says Join this group and it will take you to Edit my membership. --- You received this message because you are subscribed to a topic in the Google Groups Azores Genealogy group. To unsubscribe from this topic, visit https://groups.google.com/d/topic/azores/KjOzlo9aY2w/unsubscribe. To unsubscribe from this group and all its topics, send an email to azores+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to azores@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/azores. -- For options, such as changing to List, Digest, Abridged, or No Mail (vacation) mode, log into your Google account and visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/Azores. Click in the blue area on the right that says Join this group and it will take you to Edit my membership. --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups Azores Genealogy group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to azores+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to azores@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/azores.
[AZORES-Genealogy] Looking for immigration info for Ana Cândida De Jesus Souza
Hello I am looking for possible immigration info for: Ana Cândida De Jesus Souza. I have her birth and marriage record from the Azores but there is no death record. I am thinking she immigrated to the United States. Ana Cândida De Jesus Souza Birth 1811 28 Oct São José, Ponta Delgada Baptism 1811 1 Nov São José, Ponta Delgada, São Miguel Island Marriage to António do Rego 1827 7 Oct Age: 15 São José, Ponta Delgada Marriage to Jacinto de Teves 1838 30 Dec Age: 27 São José, Ponta Delgada, São Miguel Island Parents Luis de Teves 1778 – 1839 Clara de Jesus 1780 – 1856 First husband: António do Rego Child: Maria de Jesús Augusta Teves 1850 – 1931 Passport 1903 19 Oct Age: 50 Ponta Delgada, São Miguel, Açores, PT Arrival 1903 31 Oct Age: 50 Boston, Suffolk, Massachusetts, USA SS Cambroman A women has contacted me saying she has a match to Ana de Jesus Souza in her tree that matches mine but she says they immigrated from Portugal to West Virginia. All of the following children of Ana Cândida immigrated to Massachusetts. Thanks Todd -- For options, such as changing to List, Digest, Abridged, or No Mail (vacation) mode, log into your Google account and visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/Azores. Click in the blue area on the right that says Join this group and it will take you to Edit my membership. --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups Azores Genealogy group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to azores+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to azores@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/azores.
[AZORES-Genealogy] Re: Family Tree Maker
I am in the market for Family Tree Software. I have been using Roots Magic but I am used to the Ancestry interface. Can you print out wall charts with Family Tree Maker? Can you also export a gedcom for FTDNA's tree without all the tildes? Todd On Monday, January 20, 2014 8:56:30 AM UTC-5, adai...@icloud.com wrote: I have a membership to Ancestry.com and for the most part seem to have expired the available data. Is Family Tree Maker just an enhancement to my Ancestry membership? I am just wondering where I might go next...any thoughts? Adair Borba Researching Borbas of Sao Jorge/Sebastopol California -- For options, such as changing to List, Digest, Abridged, or No Mail (vacation) mode, log into your Google account and visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/Azores. Click in the blue area on the right that says Join this group and it will take you to Edit my membership. --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups Azores Genealogy group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to azores+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to azores@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/azores.
[AZORES-Genealogy] Family Finder result parents distantly related
I got my mothers Family Finder results in last night and it looks like my parents are distantly related. My uncle (fathers brother) and my mother come up as a match with each other. My fathers only connection to the Azores is the Brum family from Faial. All 4 of my mothers grandparents are from the Azores and I have only touched on the records for her family. I can see a relation with a tree posted who has many Brum's in it that I need to contact. Any other Brum's out there? Has anyone else had this happen? Also my mothers sister of course comes up as a match with my mother but doesn't have half the matches from the Azores as my mother does. Todd -- For options, such as changing to List, Digest, Abridged, or No Mail (vacation) mode, log into your Google account and visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/Azores. Click in the blue area on the right that says Join this group and it will take you to Edit my membership. --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups Azores Genealogy group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to azores+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to azores@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/azores.
[AZORES-Genealogy] Family Finder DNA, IT REALLY WORKS!!!
I just got my Family Tree DNA Family Finder results and I have already added 10 generations to my tree by joining the Azores DNA Project. I connected with Cheri Mello by 6 generations. Take advantage of the FTDNA Sale! The more of us that join the more information we can share. Plus there is the possibility they will keep the price low and more people will test. Todd -- For options, such as changing to List, Digest, Abridged, or No Mail (vacation) mode, log into your Google account and visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/Azores. Click in the blue area on the right that says Join this group and it will take you to Edit my membership. --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups Azores Genealogy group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to azores+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to azores@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/azores.
[AZORES-Genealogy] Re: What Family Tree DNA's Family Finder results look like
Hello I am waiting for my results from the Family Finder to come back. Can I join the Azores DNA Group on Family Tree DNA or is that for just Y and MT DNA participants only? Allen On Thursday, June 21, 2012 1:32:54 AM UTC-4, Cheri Mello wrote: Here's some screen shots from their Frequently Asked Questions (FAQs): http://goo.gl/Rhrvw There's the Home page, the Matches page, and the Population Finder page. The FAMILY FINDER HOME PAGE that you see in the link above is just a home page. The MATCHES page: You'll see that the first match on this page is Mark Doe. IF this were a real person on your page, you could click on his name to get a little bit more info that he filled out on his profile. Email, location, research interests, haplogroups (if tested Y or mtDNA), etc. Under his name you see an envelope which is another way to email Mark Doe. The orange icon says TiP. That's an acronym for Time Prediction. It's the Time Predictor Calculator (a real statistical thing) for those who have taken the Y-DNA test and want gory detail on the Time to the Most Recent Common Ancestor (TMRCA) is. Or sometimes you see MRCA for Most Recent Common Ancestor. The 3rd button is green with a check. It was a notepad with a pencil but this one has a note on it. If you matched Mark Doe, you may have put a note that says Common ancestors are Manuel Silva and Maria Furtada, or whatever note you want to make about the person. The blue button under Mark's name lets you know his Gedcom has been uploaded. THIS IS CRUCIAL FOR FAMILY FINDER PARTICIPANTS! Click on the button and start exploring Mark's family tree. After the buttons, you see Y-DNA 111 FMS. Mark has also tested his Y-DNA up to the 111 marker level. He also took the Full MitochondrialDNA Sequence (FMS) test. The next section has headings. Match date: The date that your match appeared. Relationship range: A suggested range that the geneticists thinks your DNA falls into. Suggested relationship: What they really think the relationship is. Shared cM: Total shared centoMorgans. A centoMorgan is a unit of measure, like an inch or a centimeter, but something microscopic. The total helps the geneticists with the relationship range and the suggested relationship. Longest block: The longest block you and Mark Doe have in common. This too helps the geneticists with the range and suggested relationshp. The screen default is sorted by this field. You can click on the top of any heading to sort by that heading. If it's backwards, click it again and it will reverse sorting directions. Known Relationship: Once you figure out this is your 1st cousin, aunt, wwhatever, click the button and chose the relationship. The other person has to accept the relationship too. Known Genealogy: Ancestral Surnames: Here's the CRUCIAL PART. You can upload your Gedcom and FTDNA will compare your surnames to your matches and the bolded ones on top will be your common names (not shown here). Or you can go crazy typing them all in by hand. A lot of people do neither. As soon as someone orders a DNA kit through the Azores project, the welcome letter goes out that suggests you get your Gedcom in order. The Gedcom can be uploaded before your results come in. I recommend this. That way, when your results do come in, your common surnames will be bolded and on top (unlike the screen shot shown in the URL above). Now, if your match is Judy Thompson, and Judy has NOT uploaded her Gedcom, you may just skip over her looking for some other Portuguese name. Thompson isn't Portuguese, but her maiden name is. You would not know that by looking at the name Judy Thompson. Unless you remember her posting here. It's pretty time consuming (and I'm pretty behind), but I try to email people and tell them who their Portuguese matches are. You can tell instantly if you upload your Gedcom. And Judy has uploaded her Gedcom (although there seems to be a glitch on the FTDNA side - I reported it) so when her results come in, you'll see which surnames you match her on (sorry for using you as an example, Judy)! FAMILY FINDER - POPULATION FINDER page: This is the 3rd screen shot in the URL provided above. It shows you your ethnic percentages and a map where the poppulation geneticists think you came from. This is in beta. Only 4 western European populations have been tested: French, Basque, Spain, and Sicily (I think). At the genealogy Jamboree a couple of weeks ago, Bennett Greenspan, founder and CEO of FTDNA said the Population Finder is undergoing revision. I think I'll learn more at the DNA conference in November. FAMILY FINDER - CHROMOSOME BROWSER (not shown, but attached as a file). I've attached my dad's Chromosome Browser. I chose to display his match to Shirley Allegre (in orange) and Altino Demelo (in blue). You can see where my dad and 4th cousin
Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Re: Plymouth, MA Family
There is a George Jesse in that picture, I wonder if this is the same Jesse family I remember growing up in North Plymouth. George had a wife Maryann. It was said that my grandfather Joesph Furtado and George Jesse were cousins from a family connection back in the Azores but I do not have access to and cannot read the records in the Azores to see how. Do people on this forum have access to those records? Joseph Michael Furtado, wife Edith Birth 1913 in Plymouth County, Massachusetts, USA Death 1975 in Plymouth County, Massachusetts, USA Father name: Antonio Miguel Furtado, wife Maria do Rosario Luiz Birth 1873 in Vila Franca do Campo, São Miguel, Açores, PT Death 21 June 1950 in Plymouth, Plymouth, Massachusetts, USA Allen On Friday, June 28, 2013 4:14:22 PM UTC-4, luiznoia wrote: From the 1920 census page for the Frank Jesse family The census shows they arrived in Mass in 1907. , , I've compared the births for Massachucetts on Familysearch. The mother is Frances Nunes Silva, or Francisca Nunes Silveira . A 1924 shiplist for the Arcadian from Bermuda to New York shows a group of this family returning from a visit . their birth is shown as St Michaels. The oldest shown as father is Frank Jesse 70 years. giving a birthdate of 1854. They give Frank Jesse's address on Prince street as destination. With Frank's childrens names of Naomi, Samuel, Abraham,Ruth and Moses, I'd make a guess of some Jewish origin. Eric Edgar On Fri, Jun 28, 2013 at 4:32 AM, Dick Boba dicki...@gmail.comjavascript: wrote: Hi Aztec. My mother's maiden name is Jesse. Frank Jesse, from North Plymouth, Massachusetts is my great-uncle. There were four brothers. Manual, Frank, Ted and Antoine. Antoine is my grandfather. One of Frank's grandchildren is my cousin Scott Jesse, and we have discussed the family to great length. He is not into computers and I don't live in Plymouth anymore so I don't get to see him at all so most of what he told me about Frank and his wing of the Jesse family was verbal and in my memory. My mother's sisters have recently provided us with verbal recordings (tapes) of their early family history which I have not fully processed yet. They were all very fiercly proud hard workers, middle income, which was quite an accomplishment in the early 20th century for Portuguese immigrants to America, so you can be proud of that. They provided for their families as boat builders and fishermen. They had their own boatyard in North Plymouth. The Jesse boat building business survives to this day. They all lived on Castle Street in North Plymouth, Ma. They have many descendants who are still strongly populated in the eastern Massachusetts and Rhode Island area and many of the cousins are very strongly connected. Our wing of the Jesse family (Antone's descendants) ave a family reunion every year in August at a campground in New Hampshire. My mother has told me her grandfather and grandmother (Frank's parents) were John and Mary (Jesse) that they came to North Plymouth in the late 1800s, around 1880 or 1890 from some kind of vessel by way of Bermuda. It is confirmed they came from Azores (San Miguel) but before that Portugal and even before that from France (the name Jacinth has French roots) but we have not been able to trace that far back. They are all buried in Vine Hills cemetery in Plymouth, Ma. There are many Jesse graves there, that I have visited and examined myself. A distant relative from Plymouth has given me a database and photos he was working on of the early family tree. I have been combining this with the verbal recordings and our own family photos. I would be glad to send everything I have to you if you provide me with an email address (privately). There is also a wealth of information in this blog posting that I did not have which I will pencil in concerning the Azores connections and locations. The pre-Plymouth history has always been a great mystery to us Jesse descendants. Our parents simply do not know, and the 1st and 2nd generations have all long since passed and kept no records. So it's up to us children to piece it all together! I have attached a photo of the four brothers, which I am told was taken on my grandfather's wedding day in Fall River, MA, sometime in the 1930s. Frank is the one with the dark moustache. They also called him Blackie Jesse. On Wednesday, March 4, 2009 5:56:26 PM UTC-6, Aztec wrote: I am new to this group so please be patient. I have been trying to research my Portuguese roots with little to no lucky. My Grandfather was a ship builder in Plymouth named Frank Jesse (Jacintho?). He married Francis Nunes de Silva. I have the Ellis island report of my Grandfather coming to the US (twice) but am having no luck with my Grandmother. My GGrandfather was also Frank (Francisco?) Jesse (Jacintho?). His wife was Jacintha Jacintho (maiden name same as married
Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Re: Plymouth, MA Family
Thanks Allen On Sunday, June 30, 2013 11:04:14 AM UTC-4, Shirley Allegre wrote: I made up a list of Portuguese words that helped me to read the Portuguese ie: birth, marriage, death, records. I hope that it helps. Shirley in CA - Original Message - *From:* brownat68 javascript: *To:* azo...@googlegroups.com javascript: *Sent:* Sunday, June 30, 2013 4:48 AM *Subject:* Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Re: Plymouth, MA Family There is a George Jesse in that picture, I wonder if this is the same Jesse family I remember growing up in North Plymouth. George had a wife Maryann. It was said that my grandfather Joesph Furtado and George Jesse were cousins from a family connection back in the Azores but I do not have access to and cannot read the records in the Azores to see how. Do people on this forum have access to those records? Joseph Michael Furtado, wife Edith Birth 1913 in Plymouth County, Massachusetts, USA Death 1975 in Plymouth County, Massachusetts, USA Father name: Antonio Miguel Furtado, wife Maria do Rosario Luiz Birth 1873 in Vila Franca do Campo, São Miguel, Açores, PT Death 21 June 1950 in Plymouth, Plymouth, Massachusetts, USA Allen On Friday, June 28, 2013 4:14:22 PM UTC-4, luiznoia wrote: From the 1920 census page for the Frank Jesse family The census shows they arrived in Mass in 1907. , , I've compared the births for Massachucetts on Familysearch. The mother is Frances Nunes Silva, or Francisca Nunes Silveira . A 1924 shiplist for the Arcadian from Bermuda to New York shows a group of this family returning from a visit . their birth is shown as St Michaels. The oldest shown as father is Frank Jesse 70 years. giving a birthdate of 1854. They give Frank Jesse's address on Prince street as destination. With Frank's childrens names of Naomi, Samuel, Abraham,Ruth and Moses, I'd make a guess of some Jewish origin. Eric Edgar On Fri, Jun 28, 2013 at 4:32 AM, Dick Boba dicki...@gmail.com wrote: Hi Aztec. My mother's maiden name is Jesse. Frank Jesse, from North Plymouth, Massachusetts is my great-uncle. There were four brothers. Manual, Frank, Ted and Antoine. Antoine is my grandfather. One of Frank's grandchildren is my cousin Scott Jesse, and we have discussed the family to great length. He is not into computers and I don't live in Plymouth anymore so I don't get to see him at all so most of what he told me about Frank and his wing of the Jesse family was verbal and in my memory. My mother's sisters have recently provided us with verbal recordings (tapes) of their early family history which I have not fully processed yet. They were all very fiercly proud hard workers, middle income, which was quite an accomplishment in the early 20th century for Portuguese immigrants to America, so you can be proud of that. They provided for their families as boat builders and fishermen. They had their own boatyard in North Plymouth. The Jesse boat building business survives to this day. They all lived on Castle Street in North Plymouth, Ma. They have many descendants who are still strongly populated in the eastern Massachusetts and Rhode Island area and many of the cousins are very strongly connected. Our wing of the Jesse family (Antone's descendants) ave a family reunion every year in August at a campground in New Hampshire. My mother has told me her grandfather and grandmother (Frank's parents) were John and Mary (Jesse) that they came to North Plymouth in the late 1800s, around 1880 or 1890 from some kind of vessel by way of Bermuda. It is confirmed they came from Azores (San Miguel) but before that Portugal and even before that from France (the name Jacinth has French roots) but we have not been able to trace that far back. They are all buried in Vine Hills cemetery in Plymouth, Ma. There are many Jesse graves there, that I have visited and examined myself. A distant relative from Plymouth has given me a database and photos he was working on of the early family tree. I have been combining this with the verbal recordings and our own family photos. I would be glad to send everything I have to you if you provide me with an email address (privately). There is also a wealth of information in this blog posting that I did not have which I will pencil in concerning the Azores connections and locations. The pre-Plymouth history has always been a great mystery to us Jesse descendants. Our parents simply do not know, and the 1st and 2nd generations have all long since passed and kept no records. So it's up to us children to piece it all together! I have attached a photo of the four brothers, which I am told was taken on my grandfather's wedding day in Fall River, MA, sometime in the 1930s. Frank is the one with the dark moustache. They also called him Blackie Jesse. On Wednesday, March 4, 2009 5:56:26 PM UTC-6, Aztec wrote: I am new to this group so
