RE: [AZORES-Genealogy] cold fish recipe

2011-08-31 Thread Linda Norton
My local chain supermarket in MA has it near the deli.

 

Linda Borges Furtado Norton

 

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Ray Souza
Sent: Monday, August 29, 2011 6:39 PM
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Subject: RE: [AZORES-Genealogy] cold fish recipe

 


Can anyone tell me where I may purchase Salted Bacalhau in the Sacramento
area ?

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From: Linda Norton patli...@verizon.net
Subject: RE: [AZORES-Genealogy] cold fish recipe
To: azores@googlegroups.com
Date: Monday, August 29, 2011, 8:43 AM

I didn't like it when I made it fresh, but love it salted. Best way is to
eat it.cold!! It takes in the other ingredients and makes it much more
tastier.

 

BTW, I do soak it for two to three days before preparation.

 

Linda Borges Furtado Norton

 

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Jason Fraga
Sent: Monday, August 29, 2011 10:08 AM
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Subject: Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] cold fish recipe

 

Bacalhau doesn't have to be salted to be 'bacalhau'.  Bacalhau is Cod.  It
can be fresh or salted.  With regard to the cold dish that Steve was
speaking of, my relatives really do (did) refer to it as just bacalhau.  The
equivalent scenario in English I suppose would be to call Fettuccine
Alfredo simply, Pasta.  

 

I just called my Grandmother to ask what the specialized name of the dish
was (beyond bacalhau), and it translates as Cold Sauce.  She couldn't
spell the second part of it, but Molho is definitely the first word.  That
lends a bit of creedence to what Eric's saying below about Molho Escabeche,
although the second word didn't sound exactly like escabeche.  

 

We're talking about the same thing here though, as far as the cold dish with
cod, onions, and vinegar.

 

 

Respectfully, 

 

Jay Fraga

Massachusetts

 

 

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Subject: Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] cold fish recipe

 

Bacalhau is the salted codfish. There are hundreds of recipes for it. An
accomplished Portuguese chef knows 365 recipes, one for everyday of the
year.

 

The Molho Escabeche  can be used on any fish, whether it's rehydrated
bacalau, raw fresh fish, fried fish, baked broiled or grilled.

 

 

Eric Edgar

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Yes, that is what it is called! I remember it now that I see the name. 

Sherry

 

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Steve, that'd be bacalhau.  There are heated and cold variations out there.

Jay Fraga
Massachusetts


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Subject: [AZORES-Genealogy] cold fish recipe


My mother and ava used to make a cold fish dish of white fish,
vinegar, raw onions, and saffron.  Has anyone else had that in their
family?  i cant find it on the Internet anywhere.  I am wondering if
it is a dish my grandmother made up.

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Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] cold fish recipe

2011-08-30 Thread Cakemom102
Try Corti Bros. in Sacramento
 
Mary Ann
 
 
In a message dated 8/29/2011 3:39:39 P.M. Pacific Daylight Time,  
rayrso...@yahoo.com writes:

Can anyone tell me where I may purchase Salted Bacalhau  in the Sacramento 
area ?

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From:  Linda Norton patli...@verizon.net
Subject: RE:  [AZORES-Genealogy] cold fish recipe
To:  azores@googlegroups.com
Date: Monday, August 29, 2011, 8:43  AM

  
 
I  didn’t like it when I made it fresh, but love it salted. Best way is  to 
eat it…cold!! It takes in the other ingredients and makes it much  more 
tastier.

BTW, I do soak it for two to  three days before preparation.  


Linda Borges Furtado  Norton  


 
  

 
From:  azores@googlegroups.com [mailto:azores@googlegroups.com] On Behalf 
Of Jason  Fraga
Sent: Monday,  August 29, 2011 10:08 AM
To:  azores@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: [AZORES-Genealogy]  cold fish recipe


 
Bacalhau doesn't have to  be salted to be 'bacalhau'.  Bacalhau is Cod.  
It can be  fresh or salted.  With regard to the cold dish that Steve was  
speaking of, my relatives really do (did) refer to it as just  bacalhau.  The 
equivalent scenario in English I suppose would be  to call Fettuccine 
Alfredo simply, Pasta.   

 


 
I just called my  Grandmother to ask what the specialized name of the dish 
was (beyond  bacalhau), and it translates as Cold Sauce.  She couldn't 
spell  the second part of it, but Molho is definitely the first  word.  That 
lends a bit of creedence to what Eric's saying  below about Molho Escabeche, 
although the second word didn't sound  exactly like escabeche.  

 


 
We're talking about the  same thing here though, as far as the cold dish 
with cod, onions, and  vinegar.

 


 


 
Respectfully,  

 


 
Jay  Fraga

 
Massachusetts

 


 



 
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Subject:  Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] cold fish recipe

 


 
Bacalhau is the  salted codfish. There are hundreds of recipes for it. An  
accomplished Portuguese chef knows 365 recipes, one for everyday of  the 
year.

 


 
The Molho  Escabeche  can be used on any fish, whether it's rehydrated  
bacalau, raw fresh fish, fried fish, baked broiled or  grilled.

 


 


 
Eric  Edgar

 
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Yes, that  is what it is called! I remember it now that I see the name.  

 
Sherry

 
 
 


 
 
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Steve,  that'd be bacalhau.  There are heated and cold variations out  
there.

Jay Fraga
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Subject: [AZORES-Genealogy]  cold fish recipe


My mother and ava used to make a cold  fish dish of white fish,
vinegar, raw onions, and  saffron.  Has anyone else had that in their
family?   i cant find it on the Internet anywhere.  I am wondering  if
it is a dish my grandmother made up.

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Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] cold fish recipe

2011-08-30 Thread Ray Souza
Thanks for that.

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Subject: Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] cold fish recipe
To: azores@googlegroups.com
Date: Tuesday, August 30, 2011, 2:16 PM



Try Corti Bros. in Sacramento
 
Mary Ann
 

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rayrso...@yahoo.com writes:




Can anyone tell me where I may purchase Salted Bacalhau in the Sacramento area ?

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From: Linda Norton patli...@verizon.net
Subject: RE: [AZORES-Genealogy] cold fish recipe
To: azores@googlegroups.com
Date: Monday, August 29, 2011, 8:43 AM








I didn’t like it when I made it fresh, but love it salted. Best way is to eat 
it…cold!! It takes in the other ingredients and makes it much more tastier.
 
BTW, I do soak it for two to three days before preparation. 



Linda Borges Furtado Norton 







From: azores@googlegroups.com [mailto:azores@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of 
Jason Fraga
Sent: Monday, August 29, 2011 10:08 AM
To: azores@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] cold fish recipe




Bacalhau doesn't have to be salted to be 'bacalhau'.  Bacalhau is Cod.  It 
can be fresh or salted.  With regard to the cold dish that Steve was speaking 
of, my relatives really do (did) refer to it as just bacalhau.  The equivalent 
scenario in English I suppose would be to call Fettuccine Alfredo simply, 
Pasta.  


 


I just called my Grandmother to ask what the specialized name of the dish was 
(beyond bacalhau), and it translates as Cold Sauce.  She couldn't spell the 
second part of it, but Molho is definitely the first word.  That lends a bit of 
creedence to what Eric's saying below about Molho Escabeche, although the 
second word didn't sound exactly like escabeche.  


 


We're talking about the same thing here though, as far as the cold dish with 
cod, onions, and vinegar.


 


 


Respectfully, 


 


Jay Fraga


Massachusetts


 


 



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To: azores@googlegroups.com 


Sent: Friday, August 26, 2011 2:43 PM


Subject: Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] cold fish recipe


 


Bacalhau is the salted codfish. There are hundreds of recipes for it. An 
accomplished Portuguese chef knows 365 recipes, one for everyday of the year.


 


The Molho Escabeche  can be used on any fish, whether it's rehydrated bacalau, 
raw fresh fish, fried fish, baked broiled or grilled.


 


 


Eric Edgar


On Fri, Aug 26, 2011 at 10:45 AM, carab...@aol.com wrote:


Yes, that is what it is called! I remember it now that I see the name. 

Sherry




 


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jay_fr...@applimetrix.com writes:

Steve, that'd be bacalhau.  There are heated and cold variations out there.

Jay Fraga
Massachusetts


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From: Steve Gomes steve.go...@gmail.com
To: azores@googlegroups.com
Sent: Friday, August 26, 2011 10:44 AM
Subject: [AZORES-Genealogy] cold fish recipe


My mother and ava used to make a cold fish dish of white fish,
vinegar, raw onions, and saffron.  Has anyone else had that in their
family?  i cant find it on the Internet anywhere.  I am wondering if
it is a dish my grandmother made up.

steve.go...@gmail.com

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Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] cold fish recipe

2011-08-29 Thread Jason Fraga
Bacalhau doesn't have to be salted to be 'bacalhau'.  Bacalhau is Cod.  It 
can be fresh or salted.  With regard to the cold dish that Steve was speaking 
of, my relatives really do (did) refer to it as just bacalhau.  The equivalent 
scenario in English I suppose would be to call Fettuccine Alfredo simply, 
Pasta.  

I just called my Grandmother to ask what the specialized name of the dish was 
(beyond bacalhau), and it translates as Cold Sauce.  She couldn't spell the 
second part of it, but Molho is definitely the first word.  That lends a bit of 
creedence to what Eric's saying below about Molho Escabeche, although the 
second word didn't sound exactly like escabeche.  

We're talking about the same thing here though, as far as the cold dish with 
cod, onions, and vinegar.


Respectfully, 

Jay Fraga
Massachusetts


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  From: eric edgar 
  To: azores@googlegroups.com 
  Sent: Friday, August 26, 2011 2:43 PM
  Subject: Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] cold fish recipe


  Bacalhau is the salted codfish. There are hundreds of recipes for it. An 
accomplished Portuguese chef knows 365 recipes, one for everyday of the year.

  The Molho Escabeche  can be used on any fish, whether it's rehydrated 
bacalau, raw fresh fish, fried fish, baked broiled or grilled.


  Eric Edgar


  On Fri, Aug 26, 2011 at 10:45 AM, carab...@aol.com wrote:

Yes, that is what it is called! I remember it now that I see the name. 
Sherry

In a message dated 8/26/2011 10:13:28 A.M. Pacific Daylight Time, 
jay_fr...@applimetrix.com writes:
  Steve, that'd be bacalhau.  There are heated and cold variations out 
there.

  Jay Fraga
  Massachusetts


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  From: Steve Gomes steve.go...@gmail.com
  To: azores@googlegroups.com
  Sent: Friday, August 26, 2011 10:44 AM
  Subject: [AZORES-Genealogy] cold fish recipe


  My mother and ava used to make a cold fish dish of white fish,
  vinegar, raw onions, and saffron.  Has anyone else had that in their
  family?  i cant find it on the Internet anywhere.  I am wondering if
  it is a dish my grandmother made up.

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RE: [AZORES-Genealogy] cold fish recipe

2011-08-29 Thread Linda Norton
I didn't like it when I made it fresh, but love it salted. Best way is to
eat it.cold!! It takes in the other ingredients and makes it much more
tastier.

 

BTW, I do soak it for two to three days before preparation.

 

Linda Borges Furtado Norton

 

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Jason Fraga
Sent: Monday, August 29, 2011 10:08 AM
To: azores@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] cold fish recipe

 

Bacalhau doesn't have to be salted to be 'bacalhau'.  Bacalhau is Cod.  It
can be fresh or salted.  With regard to the cold dish that Steve was
speaking of, my relatives really do (did) refer to it as just bacalhau.  The
equivalent scenario in English I suppose would be to call Fettuccine
Alfredo simply, Pasta.  

 

I just called my Grandmother to ask what the specialized name of the dish
was (beyond bacalhau), and it translates as Cold Sauce.  She couldn't
spell the second part of it, but Molho is definitely the first word.  That
lends a bit of creedence to what Eric's saying below about Molho Escabeche,
although the second word didn't sound exactly like escabeche.  

 

We're talking about the same thing here though, as far as the cold dish with
cod, onions, and vinegar.

 

 

Respectfully, 

 

Jay Fraga

Massachusetts

 

 

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From: eric edgar mailto:noblankt...@gmail.com  

To: azores@googlegroups.com 

Sent: Friday, August 26, 2011 2:43 PM

Subject: Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] cold fish recipe

 

Bacalhau is the salted codfish. There are hundreds of recipes for it. An
accomplished Portuguese chef knows 365 recipes, one for everyday of the
year.

 

The Molho Escabeche  can be used on any fish, whether it's rehydrated
bacalau, raw fresh fish, fried fish, baked broiled or grilled.

 

 

Eric Edgar

On Fri, Aug 26, 2011 at 10:45 AM, carab...@aol.com wrote:

Yes, that is what it is called! I remember it now that I see the name. 

Sherry

 

In a message dated 8/26/2011 10:13:28 A.M. Pacific Daylight Time,
jay_fr...@applimetrix.com writes:

Steve, that'd be bacalhau.  There are heated and cold variations out there.

Jay Fraga
Massachusetts


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From: Steve Gomes steve.go...@gmail.com
To: azores@googlegroups.com
Sent: Friday, August 26, 2011 10:44 AM
Subject: [AZORES-Genealogy] cold fish recipe


My mother and ava used to make a cold fish dish of white fish,
vinegar, raw onions, and saffron.  Has anyone else had that in their
family?  i cant find it on the Internet anywhere.  I am wondering if
it is a dish my grandmother made up.

steve.go...@gmail.com

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RE: [AZORES-Genealogy] cold fish recipe

2011-08-29 Thread Ray Souza
Can anyone tell me where I may purchase Salted Bacalhau in the Sacramento area ?

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I didn’t like it when I made it fresh, but love it salted. Best way is to eat 
it…cold!! It takes in the other ingredients and makes it much more tastier.
 
BTW, I do soak it for two to three days before preparation.
 
Linda Borges Furtado Norton
 




From: azores@googlegroups.com [mailto:azores@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of 
Jason Fraga
Sent: Monday, August 29, 2011 10:08 AM
To: azores@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] cold fish recipe
 

Bacalhau doesn't have to be salted to be 'bacalhau'.  Bacalhau is Cod.  It 
can be fresh or salted.  With regard to the cold dish that Steve was speaking 
of, my relatives really do (did) refer to it as just bacalhau.  The equivalent 
scenario in English I suppose would be to call Fettuccine Alfredo simply, 
Pasta.  

 

I just called my Grandmother to ask what the specialized name of the dish was 
(beyond bacalhau), and it translates as Cold Sauce.  She couldn't spell the 
second part of it, but Molho is definitely the first word.  That lends a bit of 
creedence to what Eric's saying below about Molho Escabeche, although the 
second word didn't sound exactly like escabeche.  

 

We're talking about the same thing here though, as far as the cold dish with 
cod, onions, and vinegar.

 

 

Respectfully, 

 

Jay Fraga

Massachusetts

 

 


- Original Message - 

From: eric edgar 

To: azores@googlegroups.com 

Sent: Friday, August 26, 2011 2:43 PM

Subject: Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] cold fish recipe

 

Bacalhau is the salted codfish. There are hundreds of recipes for it. An 
accomplished Portuguese chef knows 365 recipes, one for everyday of the year.

 

The Molho Escabeche  can be used on any fish, whether it's rehydrated bacalau, 
raw fresh fish, fried fish, baked broiled or grilled.

 

 

Eric Edgar

On Fri, Aug 26, 2011 at 10:45 AM, carab...@aol.com wrote:


Yes, that is what it is called! I remember it now that I see the name. 

Sherry



 


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jay_fr...@applimetrix.com writes:

Steve, that'd be bacalhau.  There are heated and cold variations out there.

Jay Fraga
Massachusetts


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To: azores@googlegroups.com
Sent: Friday, August 26, 2011 10:44 AM
Subject: [AZORES-Genealogy] cold fish recipe


My mother and ava used to make a cold fish dish of white fish,
vinegar, raw onions, and saffron.  Has anyone else had that in their
family?  i cant find it on the Internet anywhere.  I am wondering if
it is a dish my grandmother made up.

steve.go...@gmail.com

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Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] cold fish recipe

2011-08-29 Thread Steve Gomes
Yes. Thank you for that information.  My parents always called it, Molho
Cru

On Mon, Aug 29, 2011 at 7:07 AM, Jason Fraga jay_fr...@applimetrix.comwrote:

 **
 Bacalhau doesn't have to be salted to be 'bacalhau'.  Bacalhau is Cod.
 It can be fresh or salted.  With regard to the cold dish that Steve was
 speaking of, my relatives really do (did) refer to it as just bacalhau.  The
 equivalent scenario in English I suppose would be to call Fettuccine
 Alfredo simply, Pasta.

 I just called my Grandmother to ask what the specialized name of the dish
 was (beyond bacalhau), and it translates as Cold Sauce.  She couldn't
 spell the second part of it, but Molho is definitely the first word.  That
 lends a bit of creedence to what Eric's saying below about Molho Escabeche,
 although the second word didn't sound exactly like escabeche.

 We're talking about the same thing here though, as far as the cold dish
 with cod, onions, and vinegar.


 Respectfully,

 Jay Fraga
 Massachusetts



  - Original Message -
 *From:* eric edgar noblankt...@gmail.com
 *To:* azores@googlegroups.com
   *Sent:* Friday, August 26, 2011 2:43 PM
 *Subject:* Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] cold fish recipe

 Bacalhau is the salted codfish. There are hundreds of recipes for it. An
 accomplished Portuguese chef knows 365 recipes, one for everyday of the
 year.

 The Molho Escabeche  can be used on any fish, whether it's rehydrated
 bacalau, raw fresh fish, fried fish, baked broiled or grilled.


 Eric Edgar

 On Fri, Aug 26, 2011 at 10:45 AM, carab...@aol.com wrote:

 **
 Yes, that is what it is called! I remember it now that I see the name.
 Sherry

  In a message dated 8/26/2011 10:13:28 A.M. Pacific Daylight Time,
 jay_fr...@applimetrix.com writes:

 Steve, that'd be bacalhau.  There are heated and cold variations out
 there.

 Jay Fraga
 Massachusetts


 - Original Message -
 From: Steve Gomes steve.go...@gmail.com
 To: azores@googlegroups.com
 Sent: Friday, August 26, 2011 10:44 AM
 Subject: [AZORES-Genealogy] cold fish recipe


 My mother and ava used to make a cold fish dish of white fish,
 vinegar, raw onions, and saffron.  Has anyone else had that in their
 family?  i cant find it on the Internet anywhere.  I am wondering if
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 steve.go...@gmail.com

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Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] cold fish recipe

2011-08-29 Thread George Pacheco
I think Eric Edgar has the righ answer Molho Cru use to be served with
fish, my mom use to eat it all the time

See below i copiedand pasted his e-mail
eric edgar to azores
show details Aug 26 (4 days ago)

Steve,

This kind of dish is made all over Latin America, usually called
ceviche or escabeche. A ceviche is usually made with citrus juice and
escabeche with vinegar.  It was brought by Spanish and Portuguese
settlers and adapted to local ingredients.   It is of Moorish origin.
Many recipes can be found for it. The use of saffron in the recipe
shows the strong Moorish influence. This version may be your family's
adaptation or reflect their origins.

The classic Iberian dish is called boquerones and is made with
anchovies and other small fish. In Portugal and especially the Azores
this is called a Molho Escabeche or Molho Cru and many recipes are
found on the net. Here's one:

Molho cru (muhl-CREW) is a Portuguese condiment served mainly with
fish. This dish gets better with age

ingredients
1 1/4 cups diced onion 3/4 cup water 1/2 cup cider vinegar 3/4
teaspoon black pepper 1/2 teaspoon crushed red pepper 1/4 teaspoon
saffron threads 3 tablespoons minced fresh parsley 1 1/2 tablespoons
minced fresh cilantro Preparation
Combine first 6 ingredients in a bowl; cover and chill at least 24
hours. Stir in parsley and cilantro just before serving.


On Mon, Aug 29, 2011 at 11:55 AM, Steve Gomes steve.go...@gmail.com wrote:
 Yes. Thank you for that information.  My parents always called it, Molho
 Cru

 On Mon, Aug 29, 2011 at 7:07 AM, Jason Fraga jay_fr...@applimetrix.com
 wrote:

 Bacalhau doesn't have to be salted to be 'bacalhau'.  Bacalhau is Cod.
 It can be fresh or salted.  With regard to the cold dish that Steve was
 speaking of, my relatives really do (did) refer to it as just bacalhau.  The
 equivalent scenario in English I suppose would be to call Fettuccine
 Alfredo simply, Pasta.

 I just called my Grandmother to ask what the specialized name of the dish
 was (beyond bacalhau), and it translates as Cold Sauce.  She couldn't
 spell the second part of it, but Molho is definitely the first word.  That
 lends a bit of creedence to what Eric's saying below about Molho Escabeche,
 although the second word didn't sound exactly like escabeche.

 We're talking about the same thing here though, as far as the cold dish
 with cod, onions, and vinegar.


 Respectfully,

 Jay Fraga
 Massachusetts



 - Original Message -
 From: eric edgar
 To: azores@googlegroups.com
 Sent: Friday, August 26, 2011 2:43 PM
 Subject: Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] cold fish recipe
 Bacalhau is the salted codfish. There are hundreds of recipes for it. An
 accomplished Portuguese chef knows 365 recipes, one for everyday of the
 year.

 The Molho Escabeche  can be used on any fish, whether it's rehydrated
 bacalau, raw fresh fish, fried fish, baked broiled or grilled.


 Eric Edgar

 On Fri, Aug 26, 2011 at 10:45 AM, carab...@aol.com wrote:

 Yes, that is what it is called! I remember it now that I see the name.
 Sherry

 In a message dated 8/26/2011 10:13:28 A.M. Pacific Daylight Time,
 jay_fr...@applimetrix.com writes:

 Steve, that'd be bacalhau.  There are heated and cold variations out
 there.

 Jay Fraga
 Massachusetts


 - Original Message -
 From: Steve Gomes steve.go...@gmail.com
 To: azores@googlegroups.com
 Sent: Friday, August 26, 2011 10:44 AM
 Subject: [AZORES-Genealogy] cold fish recipe


 My mother and ava used to make a cold fish dish of white fish,
 vinegar, raw onions, and saffron.  Has anyone else had that in their
 family?  i cant find it on the Internet anywhere.  I am wondering if
 it is a dish my grandmother made up.

 steve.go...@gmail.com

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Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] cold fish recipe

2011-08-29 Thread Jason Fraga
That was it!!!  Molho Cru

Sent from my iPhone

On Aug 29, 2011, at 11:55 AM, Steve Gomes steve.go...@gmail.com wrote:

 Yes. Thank you for that information.  My parents always called it, Molho Cru
 
 On Mon, Aug 29, 2011 at 7:07 AM, Jason Fraga jay_fr...@applimetrix.com 
 wrote:
 Bacalhau doesn't have to be salted to be 'bacalhau'.  Bacalhau is Cod.  It 
 can be fresh or salted.  With regard to the cold dish that Steve was speaking 
 of, my relatives really do (did) refer to it as just bacalhau.  The 
 equivalent scenario in English I suppose would be to call Fettuccine 
 Alfredo simply, Pasta. 
  
 I just called my Grandmother to ask what the specialized name of the dish was 
 (beyond bacalhau), and it translates as Cold Sauce.  She couldn't spell the 
 second part of it, but Molho is definitely the first word.  That lends a bit 
 of creedence to what Eric's saying below about Molho Escabeche, although the 
 second word didn't sound exactly like escabeche. 
  
 We're talking about the same thing here though, as far as the cold dish with 
 cod, onions, and vinegar.
  
  
 Respectfully,
  
 Jay Fraga
 Massachusetts
  
  
 - Original Message -
 From: eric edgar
 To: azores@googlegroups.com
 Sent: Friday, August 26, 2011 2:43 PM
 Subject: Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] cold fish recipe
 
 Bacalhau is the salted codfish. There are hundreds of recipes for it. An 
 accomplished Portuguese chef knows 365 recipes, one for everyday of the year.
  
 The Molho Escabeche  can be used on any fish, whether it's rehydrated 
 bacalau, raw fresh fish, fried fish, baked broiled or grilled.
  
  
 Eric Edgar
 
 On Fri, Aug 26, 2011 at 10:45 AM, carab...@aol.com wrote:
 Yes, that is what it is called! I remember it now that I see the name.
 Sherry
  
 In a message dated 8/26/2011 10:13:28 A.M. Pacific Daylight Time, 
 jay_fr...@applimetrix.com writes:
 Steve, that'd be bacalhau.  There are heated and cold variations out there.
 
 Jay Fraga
 Massachusetts
 
 
 - Original Message - 
 From: Steve Gomes steve.go...@gmail.com
 To: azores@googlegroups.com
 Sent: Friday, August 26, 2011 10:44 AM
 Subject: [AZORES-Genealogy] cold fish recipe
 
 
 My mother and ava used to make a cold fish dish of white fish,
 vinegar, raw onions, and saffron.  Has anyone else had that in their
 family?  i cant find it on the Internet anywhere.  I am wondering if
 it is a dish my grandmother made up.
 
 steve.go...@gmail.com
 
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Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] cold fish recipe

2011-08-27 Thread John Vasconcelos
*Sherry,
There is a Portuguese store in Artesia in the LA area called Portugal
Imports which carries dried salted Cod which I believe does mail orders.
Their tel no is 562-809-7021 or you can google them. I believe they are
already closed for today but you can try Monday. They also carry a selection
of Portuguese wine, beer, and cheeses including Sao Jorge Cheese. They also
are associated with a Portuguese bakery and offer massa sovada, quesadas
(sp?) etc. Check out their webpage www.portugalimports.net/
 John Vasconcelos*

On Fri, Aug 26, 2011 at 9:32 AM, carab...@aol.com wrote:

 **
 My great-grandmother used to make something like that with cod fish. I
 don't remember saffron being in it. I know it had cod fish, onions, vinegar
  I think red peppers from a jar ( they were chopped).  I will have to check
 with my Mom to see if she remembers what all went into it. I loved the dish!
 It was all crumbled up like we do with tuna but no mayonnaise. I live in
 Southern CA  we don't have the dried cod fish like they do back east. My
 family was in the New Bedford, MA area  I loved visiting because of all the
 Portuguese food! My mom, brother  I lived on Cape Cod  there was some
 Portuguese foods but not like New Bedford! Oh i wish I could go visit!
 Sherry

  In a message dated 8/26/2011 8:24:26 A.M. Pacific Daylight Time,
 steve.go...@gmail.com writes:

 My mother and ava used to make a cold fish dish of white fish,
 vinegar, raw onions, and saffron.  Has anyone else had that in their
 family?  i cant find it on the Internet anywhere.  I am wondering if
 it is a dish my grandmother made up.

 steve.go...@gmail.com

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Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] cold fish recipe

2011-08-27 Thread John Vasconcelos
*Steve*,*
You have to soak the salted dried cod in water to get the salt out before
you can prepare most Cod dishes.
John Vasconcelos*

On Fri, Aug 26, 2011 at 1:32 PM, Steve Gomes steve.go...@gmail.com wrote:

 No, this was not a salted fish dish.
 Thanks for the response
 Sent from my iPhone

 On Aug 26, 2011, at 10:13 AM, Jason Fraga jay_fr...@applimetrix.com
 wrote:

  Steve, that'd be bacalhau.  There are heated and cold variations out
 there.
 
  Jay Fraga
  Massachusetts
 
 
  - Original Message - From: Steve Gomes steve.go...@gmail.com
  To: azores@googlegroups.com
  Sent: Friday, August 26, 2011 10:44 AM
  Subject: [AZORES-Genealogy] cold fish recipe
 
 
  My mother and ava used to make a cold fish dish of white fish,
  vinegar, raw onions, and saffron.  Has anyone else had that in their
  family?  i cant find it on the Internet anywhere.  I am wondering if
  it is a dish my grandmother made up.
 
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Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] cold fish recipe

2011-08-27 Thread CaraBela
Thank you John! I will definitely check it out.
Sherry
 
 
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gfsjo...@gmail.com writes:

Sherry,
There is a Portuguese store in Artesia in the LA area  called Portugal 
Imports which carries dried salted Cod which I believe does  mail orders. Their 
tel no is 562-809-7021 or you can google them. I believe  they are already 
closed for today but you can try Monday. They also carry a  selection of 
Portuguese wine, beer, and cheeses including Sao Jorge Cheese.  They also are 
associated with a Portuguese bakery and offer massa sovada,  quesadas (sp?) 
etc. Check out their webpage _www.portugalimports.net/_ 
(http://www.portugalimports.net/)   
John  Vasconcelos

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Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] cold fish recipe

2011-08-26 Thread CaraBela
My great-grandmother used to make something like that with cod fish. I  
don't remember saffron being in it. I know it had cod fish, onions, vinegar   
I think red peppers from a jar ( they were chopped).  I will have to  check 
with my Mom to see if she remembers what all went into it. I loved the  
dish! It was all crumbled up like we do with tuna but no mayonnaise. I live in  
Southern CA  we don't have the dried cod fish like they do back east. My  
family was in the New Bedford, MA area  I loved visiting because of all the  
Portuguese food! My mom, brother  I lived on Cape Cod  there was some  
Portuguese foods but not like New Bedford! Oh i wish I could go visit! 
Sherry
 
 
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steve.go...@gmail.com writes:

My  mother and ava used to make a cold fish dish of white fish,
vinegar, raw  onions, and saffron.  Has anyone else had that in their
family?   i cant find it on the Internet anywhere.  I am wondering if
it is a  dish my grandmother made  up.

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Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] cold fish recipe

2011-08-26 Thread E Sharp
Google the ingredients...Portuguese fish, vinegar, onions, saffron.there
are a couple of recipes but I do not know which one you are seeking.

E

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Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] cold fish recipe

2011-08-26 Thread Jason Fraga

Steve, that'd be bacalhau.  There are heated and cold variations out there.

Jay Fraga
Massachusetts


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My mother and ava used to make a cold fish dish of white fish,
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family?  i cant find it on the Internet anywhere.  I am wondering if
it is a dish my grandmother made up.

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Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] cold fish recipe

2011-08-26 Thread CaraBela
Yes, that is what it is called! I remember it now that I see the name. 
Sherry
 
 
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jay_fr...@applimetrix.com writes:

Steve,  that'd be bacalhau.  There are heated and cold variations out  
there.

Jay Fraga
Massachusetts


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Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] cold fish recipe

2011-08-26 Thread eric edgar
Steve,

This kind of dish is made all over Latin America, usually called *ceviche*or
*escabeche.* A ceviche is usually made with citrus juice and escabeche with
vinegar.  It was brought by Spanish and Portuguese settlers and adapted to
local ingredients.   It is of Moorish origin. Many recipes can be found for
it. The use of saffron in the recipe shows the strong Moorish influence.
This version may be your family's adaptation or reflect their origins.

The classic Iberian dish is called *boquerones* and is made with anchovies
and other small fish. In Portugal and especially the Azores this is called a
*Molho Escabeche* or *Molho Cru* and many recipes are found on the net.
Here's one:

*Molho cru* (muhl-CREW) is a Portuguese condiment served mainly with fish.
This dish gets better with age

ingredients

   - 1 1/4 cups diced onion
   - 3/4 cup water
   - 1/2 cup cider vinegar
   - 3/4 teaspoon black pepper
   - 1/2 teaspoon crushed red pepper
   - 1/4 teaspoon saffron threads
   - 3 tablespoons minced fresh parsley
   - 1 1/2 tablespoons minced fresh cilantro

Preparation

   - Combine first 6 ingredients in a bowl; cover and chill at least 24
   hours. Stir in parsley and cilantro just before serving.


Eric Edgar



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 family?  i cant find it on the Internet anywhere.  I am wondering if
 it is a dish my grandmother made up.

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Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] cold fish recipe

2011-08-26 Thread eric edgar
Bacalhau is the salted codfish. There are hundreds of recipes for it. An
accomplished Portuguese chef knows 365 recipes, one for everyday of the
year.

The Molho Escabeche  can be used on any fish, whether it's rehydrated
bacalau, raw fresh fish, fried fish, baked broiled or grilled.


Eric Edgar

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 Yes, that is what it is called! I remember it now that I see the name.
 Sherry

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 Steve, that'd be bacalhau.  There are heated and cold variations out there.

 Jay Fraga
 Massachusetts


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Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] cold fish recipe

2011-08-26 Thread janet laytham
I remember it well!  
It was particularly good in summer.

I've e-mailed a cousin to request the recipe.  

J Laytham
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 vinegar, raw onions, and saffron.  Has anyone else had that in their
 family?  i cant find it on the Internet anywhere.  I am wondering if
 it is a dish my grandmother made up.
 
 steve.go...@gmail.com
 
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Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] cold fish recipe

2011-08-26 Thread Steve Gomes
No, this was not a salted fish dish. 
Thanks for the response 
Sent from my iPhone

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 Steve, that'd be bacalhau.  There are heated and cold variations out there.
 
 Jay Fraga
 Massachusetts
 
 
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Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] cold fish recipe

2011-08-26 Thread Steve Gomes
We we visited Portugal, we ate bacalhau about a dozen ways and they said we had 
about 300 to go. Unfortunately we could not stay that long. 

Sent from my iPhone

On Aug 26, 2011, at 11:43 AM, eric edgar noblankt...@gmail.com wrote:

 Bacalhau is the salted codfish. There are hundreds of recipes for it. An 
 accomplished Portuguese chef knows 365 recipes, one for everyday of the year.
  
 The Molho Escabeche  can be used on any fish, whether it's rehydrated 
 bacalau, raw fresh fish, fried fish, baked broiled or grilled.
  
  
 Eric Edgar
 
 On Fri, Aug 26, 2011 at 10:45 AM, carab...@aol.com wrote:
 Yes, that is what it is called! I remember it now that I see the name.
 Sherry
  
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 jay_fr...@applimetrix.com writes:
 Steve, that'd be bacalhau.  There are heated and cold variations out there.
 
 Jay Fraga
 Massachusetts
 
 
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 To: azores@googlegroups.com
 Sent: Friday, August 26, 2011 10:44 AM
 Subject: [AZORES-Genealogy] cold fish recipe
 
 
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