Re: [backstage] RealPlayer banished Toady!
2008/6/13 Fred Phillips [EMAIL PROTECTED]: On Thu Jun 12 19:45:49 2008, Brian Butterworth wrote: 2008/6/12 Fred Phillips [EMAIL PROTECTED]: On Thu Jun 12 07:35:20 2008, Brian Butterworth wrote: 2008/6/12 Dogsbody [EMAIL PROTECTED]: What strange install allows RealPlaer but not Flash? Er, free software ones. http://www.adobe.com/shockwave/download/alternates/ has Linux x86, Solaris, Pocket PC and HP-UX versions as well as Windows 98/ME/2000/XP/Vista and MacOS/X So? They still aren't free. They don't cost anything at all to the consumer. That's free is the prtacicable sense. RealPlayer is, if you mean free-software, is much less free. Anyway, Flash is now free in the sense you mean, isn't it? -- Brian Butterworth http://www.ukfree.tv - independent digital television and switchover advice, since 2002
Re: [backstage] RealPlayer banished Toady!
been using linux on my pc for years and have not have any problems playin flash stuff on it...no prob at all. gnash is also usable but does not play the latest flash applications or so... --- On Fri, 6/13/08, Brian Butterworth [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: From: Brian Butterworth [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: [backstage] RealPlayer banished Toady! To: backstage@lists.bbc.co.uk Date: Friday, June 13, 2008, 8:54 AM 2008/6/13 Fred Phillips [EMAIL PROTECTED]: On Thu Jun 12 19:45:49 2008, Brian Butterworth wrote: 2008/6/12 Fred Phillips [EMAIL PROTECTED]: On Thu Jun 12 07:35:20 2008, Brian Butterworth wrote: 2008/6/12 Dogsbody [EMAIL PROTECTED]: What strange install allows RealPlaer but not Flash? Er, free software ones. http://www.adobe.com/shockwave/download/alternates/ has Linux x86, Solaris, Pocket PC and HP-UX versions as well as Windows 98/ME/2000/XP/Vista and MacOS/X So? They still aren't free. They don't cost anything at all to the consumer. That's free is the prtacicable sense. RealPlayer is, if you mean free-software, is much less free. Anyway, Flash is now free in the sense you mean, isn't it? -- Brian Butterworth http://www.ukfree.tv - independent digital television and switchover advice, since 2002 - Sent via the backstage.bbc.co.uk discussion group. To unsubscribe, please visit http://backstage.bbc.co.uk/archives/2005/01/mailing_list.html. Unofficial list archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/backstage@lists.bbc.co.uk/
RE: [backstage] RealPlayer banished Toady!
I agree with Brian, Real-player is a lot less 'free' in the terms you're thinking than Flash is. You don't get upgrade to plus announcements every five minutes for starters in Flash! However also agree with Christopher, Flash isn't anywhere near as supported on other platforms as Adobe like to make out. Gavin Pearce | Junior Web Developer | TBS The Columbia Centre, Market Street, Bracknell, RG12 1JG, United Kingdom Direct: +44 (0) 1344 403488 | Office: +44 (0) 1344 306011 | Fax: +44 (0) 1344 427138 MSN: [EMAIL PROTECTED] | Yahoo: pearce.gavin | Skype: tbs.gavin www.tbs.uk.com http://www.tbs.uk.com/ http://www.tbs.uk.com/ TBS is a trading name of Technology Services International Limited. Registered in England, company number 2079459. -Original Message- From: Brian Butterworth [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: 13 June 2008 07:55 To: backstage@lists.bbc.co.uk Subject: Re: [backstage] RealPlayer banished Toady! 2008/6/13 Fred Phillips [EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] : On Thu Jun 12 19:45:49 2008, Brian Butterworth wrote: 2008/6/12 Fred Phillips [EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] : On Thu Jun 12 07:35:20 2008, Brian Butterworth wrote: 2008/6/12 Dogsbody [EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] : What strange install allows RealPlaer but not Flash? Er, free software ones. http://www.adobe.com/shockwave/download/alternates/ http://www.adobe.com/shockwave/download/alternates/ has Linux x86, Solaris, Pocket PC and HP-UX versions as well as Windows 98/ME/2000/XP/Vista and MacOS/X So? They still aren't free. They don't cost anything at all to the consumer. That's free is the prtacicable sense. RealPlayer is, if you mean free-software, is much less free. Anyway, Flash is now free in the sense you mean, isn't it? -- Brian Butterworth http://www.ukfree.tv http://www.ukfree.tv - independent digital television and switchover advice, since 2002 This message has been scanned for viruses by http://viatel.mailcontrol.com/ Viatel MailControl, a service from http://www.viatel.com/ Viatel.
RE: [backstage] RealPlayer banished Toady!
You need the Linux version of Real Player. Much nicer and no nagging! Built on the open source Helix Player. Of course you would also need to change your operating system ;) From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Gavin Pearce Sent: 13 June 2008 09:26 To: 'backstage@lists.bbc.co.uk' Subject: RE: [backstage] RealPlayer banished Toady! I agree with Brian, Real-player is a lot less 'free' in the terms you're thinking than Flash is. You don't get upgrade to plus announcements every five minutes for starters in Flash! However also agree with Christopher, Flash isn't anywhere near as supported on other platforms as Adobe like to make out. Gavin Pearce | Junior Web Developer | TBS The Columbia Centre, Market Street, Bracknell, RG12 1JG, United Kingdom Direct: +44 (0) 1344 403488 | Office: +44 (0) 1344 306011 | Fax: +44 (0) 1344 427138 MSN: [EMAIL PROTECTED] | Yahoo: pearce.gavin | Skype: tbs.gavin www.tbs.uk.com http://www.tbs.uk.com/ TBS is a trading name of Technology Services International Limited. Registered in England, company number 2079459. -Original Message- From: Brian Butterworth [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: 13 June 2008 07:55 To: backstage@lists.bbc.co.uk Subject: Re: [backstage] RealPlayer banished Toady! 2008/6/13 Fred Phillips [EMAIL PROTECTED]: On Thu Jun 12 19:45:49 2008, Brian Butterworth wrote: 2008/6/12 Fred Phillips [EMAIL PROTECTED]: On Thu Jun 12 07:35:20 2008, Brian Butterworth wrote: 2008/6/12 Dogsbody [EMAIL PROTECTED]: What strange install allows RealPlaer but not Flash? Er, free software ones. http://www.adobe.com/shockwave/download/alternates/ has Linux x86, Solaris, Pocket PC and HP-UX versions as well as Windows 98/ME/2000/XP/Vista and MacOS/X So? They still aren't free. They don't cost anything at all to the consumer. That's free is the prtacicable sense. RealPlayer is, if you mean free-software, is much less free. Anyway, Flash is now free in the sense you mean, isn't it? -- Brian Butterworth http://www.ukfree.tv - independent digital television and switchover advice, since 2002 This message has been scanned for viruses by Viatel MailControl http://viatel.mailcontrol.com/ , a service from Viatel http://www.viatel.com/ . This message has been scanned for viruses by Viatel MailControl http://viatel.mailcontrol.com/ , a service from Viatel http://www.viatel.com/ .
RE: [backstage] RealPlayer banished Toady!
Not had a huge experience of Linux GUIs have to admit, mainly a command line guy, though randomly I am putting Ubuntu on me old Laptop tonight (doesn't that sound like a cool Friday evening out!), so shall give it a whirl and let you know.;-) Gavin Pearce | Junior Web Developer | TBS The Columbia Centre, Market Street, Bracknell, RG12 1JG, United Kingdom Direct: +44 (0) 1344 403488 | Office: +44 (0) 1344 306011 | Fax: +44 (0) 1344 427138 MSN: [EMAIL PROTECTED] | Yahoo: pearce.gavin | Skype: tbs.gavin www.tbs.uk.com http://www.tbs.uk.com/ http://www.tbs.uk.com/ TBS is a trading name of Technology Services International Limited. Registered in England, company number 2079459. -Original Message- From: Andrew Bowden [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: 13 June 2008 09:42 To: backstage@lists.bbc.co.uk Subject: RE: [backstage] RealPlayer banished Toady! You need the Linux version of Real Player. Much nicer and no nagging! Built on the open source Helix Player. Of course you would also need to change your operating system ;) _ From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Gavin Pearce Sent: 13 June 2008 09:26 To: 'backstage@lists.bbc.co.uk' Subject: RE: [backstage] RealPlayer banished Toady! I agree with Brian, Real-player is a lot less 'free' in the terms you're thinking than Flash is. You don't get upgrade to plus announcements every five minutes for starters in Flash! However also agree with Christopher, Flash isn't anywhere near as supported on other platforms as Adobe like to make out. Gavin Pearce | Junior Web Developer | TBS The Columbia Centre, Market Street, Bracknell, RG12 1JG, United Kingdom Direct: +44 (0) 1344 403488 | Office: +44 (0) 1344 306011 | Fax: +44 (0) 1344 427138 MSN: [EMAIL PROTECTED] | Yahoo: pearce.gavin | Skype: tbs.gavin www.tbs.uk.com http://www.tbs.uk.com/ http://www.tbs.uk.com/ TBS is a trading name of Technology Services International Limited. Registered in England, company number 2079459. -Original Message- From: Brian Butterworth [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: 13 June 2008 07:55 To: backstage@lists.bbc.co.uk Subject: Re: [backstage] RealPlayer banished Toady! 2008/6/13 Fred Phillips [EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] : On Thu Jun 12 19:45:49 2008, Brian Butterworth wrote: 2008/6/12 Fred Phillips [EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] : On Thu Jun 12 07:35:20 2008, Brian Butterworth wrote: 2008/6/12 Dogsbody [EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] : What strange install allows RealPlaer but not Flash? Er, free software ones. http://www.adobe.com/shockwave/download/alternates/ http://www.adobe.com/shockwave/download/alternates/ has Linux x86, Solaris, Pocket PC and HP-UX versions as well as Windows 98/ME/2000/XP/Vista and MacOS/X So? They still aren't free. They don't cost anything at all to the consumer. That's free is the prtacicable sense. RealPlayer is, if you mean free-software, is much less free. Anyway, Flash is now free in the sense you mean, isn't it? -- Brian Butterworth http://www.ukfree.tv http://www.ukfree.tv - independent digital television and switchover advice, since 2002 This message has been scanned for viruses by http://viatel.mailcontrol.com/ Viatel MailControl, a service from http://www.viatel.com/ Viatel. This message has been scanned for viruses by http://viatel.mailcontrol.com/ Viatel MailControl, a service from http://www.viatel.com/ Viatel. This message has been scanned for viruses by http://viatel.mailcontrol.com/ Viatel MailControl, a service from http://www.viatel.com/ Viatel.
RE: [backstage] RealPlayer banished Toady!
Can Flash be reduced to a controllable toolbar on your start bar, and can it be told to stay on top of other windows both features that I for one use a lot with WMP and (OMG) RP as well. -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Behalf Of Gavin Pearce Sent: 13 June 2008 09:44 To: 'backstage@lists.bbc.co.uk' Subject: RE: [backstage] RealPlayer banished Toady! Not had a huge experience of Linux GUIs have to admit, mainly a command line guy, though randomly I am putting Ubuntu on me old Laptop tonight (doesn't that sound like a cool Friday evening out!), so shall give it a whirl and let you know.;-) Gavin Pearce | Junior Web Developer | TBS The Columbia Centre, Market Street, Bracknell, RG12 1JG, United Kingdom Direct: +44 (0) 1344 403488 | Office: +44 (0) 1344 306011 | Fax: +44 (0) 1344 427138 MSN: [EMAIL PROTECTED] | Yahoo: pearce.gavin | Skype: tbs.gavin www.tbs.uk.com http://www.tbs.uk.com/ TBS is a trading name of Technology Services International Limited. Registered in England, company number 2079459. -Original Message- From: Andrew Bowden [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: 13 June 2008 09:42 To: backstage@lists.bbc.co.uk Subject: RE: [backstage] RealPlayer banished Toady! You need the Linux version of Real Player. Much nicer and no nagging! Built on the open source Helix Player. Of course you would also need to change your operating system ;) _ From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Gavin Pearce Sent: 13 June 2008 09:26 To: 'backstage@lists.bbc.co.uk' Subject: RE: [backstage] RealPlayer banished Toady! I agree with Brian, Real-player is a lot less 'free' in the terms you're thinking than Flash is. You don't get upgrade to plus announcements every five minutes for starters in Flash! However also agree with Christopher, Flash isn't anywhere near as supported on other platforms as Adobe like to make out. Gavin Pearce | Junior Web Developer | TBS The Columbia Centre, Market Street, Bracknell, RG12 1JG, United Kingdom Direct: +44 (0) 1344 403488 | Office: +44 (0) 1344 306011 | Fax: +44 (0) 1344 427138 MSN: [EMAIL PROTECTED] | Yahoo: pearce.gavin | Skype: tbs.gavin www.tbs.uk.com http://www.tbs.uk.com/ TBS is a trading name of Technology Services International Limited. Registered in England, company number 2079459. -Original Message- From: Brian Butterworth [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: 13 June 2008 07:55 To: backstage@lists.bbc.co.uk Subject: Re: [backstage] RealPlayer banished Toady! 2008/6/13 Fred Phillips [EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] : On Thu Jun 12 19:45:49 2008, Brian Butterworth wrote: 2008/6/12 Fred Phillips [EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] : On Thu Jun 12 07:35:20 2008, Brian Butterworth wrote: 2008/6/12 Dogsbody [EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] : What strange install allows RealPlaer but not Flash? Er, free software ones. http://www.adobe.com/shockwave/download/alternates/ has Linux x86, Solaris, Pocket PC and HP-UX versions as well as Windows 98/ME/2000/XP/Vista and MacOS/X So? They still aren't free. They don't cost anything at all to the consumer. That's free is the prtacicable sense. RealPlayer is, if you mean free-software, is much less free. Anyway, Flash is now free in the sense you mean, isn't it? -- Brian Butterworth http://www.ukfree.tv - independent digital television and switchover advice, since 2002 This message has been scanned for viruses by Viatel MailControl http://viatel.mailcontrol.com/ , a service from Viatel http://www.viatel.com/ . This message has been scanned for viruses by Viatel MailControl http://viatel.mailcontrol.com/ , a service from Viatel http://www.viatel.com/ . This message has been scanned for viruses by Viatel MailControl http://viatel.mailcontrol.com/ , a service from Viatel http://www.viatel.com/ . This message has been scanned for viruses by Viatel MailControl http://viatel.mailcontrol.com/ , a service from Viatel http://www.viatel.com/ .
Re: [backstage] RealPlayer banished Toady!
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Can Flash be reduced to a controllable toolbar on your start bar, and can it be told to stay on top of other windows ... both features that I for one use a lot with WMP and (OMG) RP as well. I think this can be done using AIR, but i haven't had a chance to play with creating my own AIR application yet. Adam
RE: [backstage] RealPlayer banished Toady!
It can be done in Windows, not by standard you have a point, but with other applications. Gavin Pearce | Junior Web Developer | TBS The Columbia Centre, Market Street, Bracknell, RG12 1JG, United Kingdom Direct: +44 (0) 1344 403488 | Office: +44 (0) 1344 306011 | Fax: +44 (0) 1344 427138 MSN: [EMAIL PROTECTED] | Yahoo: pearce.gavin | Skype: tbs.gavin www.tbs.uk.com http://www.tbs.uk.com/ http://www.tbs.uk.com/ TBS is a trading name of Technology Services International Limited. Registered in England, company number 2079459. -Original Message- From: Adam [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: 13 June 2008 11:42 To: backstage@lists.bbc.co.uk Subject: Re: [backstage] RealPlayer banished Toady! [EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Can Flash be reduced to a controllable toolbar on your start bar, and can it be told to stay on top of other windows ... both features that I for one use a lot with WMP and (OMG) RP as well. !--[if !supportEmptyParas]-- !--[endif]-- I think this can be done using AIR, but i haven't had a chance to play with creating my own AIR application yet. Adam This message has been scanned for viruses by http://viatel.mailcontrol.com/ Viatel MailControl, a service from http://www.viatel.com/ Viatel.
Re: [backstage] RealPlayer banished Toady!
Beat me to it steve:) We have some code that allows you to author id3v2 tags in mp3s to indicate chapters http://www.bbc.co.uk/opensource/projects/chapter_tool/ and some classes that read these tags out of mp3s enhanced in this way. Currently written in Actionscript, as the demo player is Flash based, but no reason you couldn't port if you wanted to. Would this be of any interest? Alia Steve Jolly wrote: Tom Hannen wrote: I guess all the consituent parts exist already - I was thinking more of an app that would make it easy for you to skip items whilst cooking, or washing up, or in the car etc. If you have a CD player in the kitchen, it is very easy to skip to the next track - you stop what you're doing for a second, and hit one button. The same isn't true of trying to skip through items on the today programme - stare at the screen, grab the mouse, choose from a number of links, and click on one. Hit the space bar to hear the next item would be a nice feature. I'm not saying it should be part of the today website, just that if I had any programming skills whatsoever, I'd like to make it! I wonder if segmented MP3 podcasts would be an elegant way to enable this functionality? S - Sent via the backstage.bbc.co.uk discussion group. To unsubscribe, please visit http://backstage.bbc.co.uk/archives/2005/01/mailing_list.html. Unofficial list archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/backstage@lists.bbc.co.uk/ - Sent via the backstage.bbc.co.uk discussion group. To unsubscribe, please visit http://backstage.bbc.co.uk/archives/2005/01/mailing_list.html. Unofficial list archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/backstage@lists.bbc.co.uk/
Re: [backstage] Build a (nothing to do with Dr Who or knitting) Mashed Monster
I'm seriously just considering dressing up. m On 12/6/08 16:41, Michael [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Thursday 12 June 2008 15:49:59 Matthew Cashmore wrote: This is so cool... I wish I could have launched it sooner but I had to jump through some hoops... Not a lot of time to get your entry in http://backstage.bbc.co.uk/news/archives/2008/06/monster_mashed.html BBC Staff are not able to enter the competition Awww. (not the least bit surprised :-) ) Mind you, we're planning a beta release for that weekend of the next release of Kamaelia, so I'd be busy enough as it is :-) Michael. -- Kamaelia Project Lead/Project dust puppy http://kamaelia.sf.net/, http://edit.kamaelia.org/Developers/ - Sent via the backstage.bbc.co.uk discussion group. To unsubscribe, please visit http://backstage.bbc.co.uk/archives/2005/01/mailing_list.html. Unofficial list archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/backstage@lists.bbc.co.uk/ ___ Matthew Cashmore Senior Research Producer BBC Future Media Technology, Research and Innovation BC4A5, Broadcast Centre, Media Village, W12 7TP T:020 8008 3959(02 83959) M:07711 913241(072 83959) - Sent via the backstage.bbc.co.uk discussion group. To unsubscribe, please visit http://backstage.bbc.co.uk/archives/2005/01/mailing_list.html. Unofficial list archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/backstage@lists.bbc.co.uk/
RE: [backstage] RealPlayer banished Toady!
Anything is possible, of course, but people want plain simple easy things that work the way they expect them to work. Flash embedded BBC content isnt really user friendly I think. ;-) -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Behalf Of Gavin Pearce Sent: 13 June 2008 11:52 To: 'backstage@lists.bbc.co.uk' Subject: RE: [backstage] RealPlayer banished Toady! It can be done in Windows, not by standard you have a point, but with other applications. Gavin Pearce | Junior Web Developer | TBS The Columbia Centre, Market Street, Bracknell, RG12 1JG, United Kingdom Direct: +44 (0) 1344 403488 | Office: +44 (0) 1344 306011 | Fax: +44 (0) 1344 427138 MSN: [EMAIL PROTECTED] | Yahoo: pearce.gavin | Skype: tbs.gavin www.tbs.uk.com http://www.tbs.uk.com/ TBS is a trading name of Technology Services International Limited. Registered in England, company number 2079459. -Original Message- From: Adam [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: 13 June 2008 11:42 To: backstage@lists.bbc.co.uk Subject: Re: [backstage] RealPlayer banished Toady! [EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Can Flash be reduced to a controllable toolbar on your start bar, and can it be told to stay on top of other windows ... both features that I for one use a lot with WMP and (OMG) RP as well. !--[if !supportEmptyParas]-- !--[endif]-- I think this can be done using AIR, but i haven't had a chance to play with creating my own AIR application yet. Adam This message has been scanned for viruses by Viatel MailControl http://viatel.mailcontrol.com/ , a service from Viatel http://www.viatel.com/ . This message has been scanned for viruses by Viatel MailControl http://viatel.mailcontrol.com/ , a service from Viatel http://www.viatel.com/ .
Re: [backstage] RealPlayer banished Toady!
Surely the point is that flash embedded content is a plain, simple, easy thing that works. That makes it more user friendly than before. Cheers Jonathan On 13 Jun 2008, at 12:08, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Anything is possible, of course, but people want plain simple easy things that work the way they expect them to work. Flash embedded BBC content isn’t really user friendly… I think. ;-) -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] ]On Behalf Of Gavin Pearce Sent: 13 June 2008 11:52 To: 'backstage@lists.bbc.co.uk' Subject: RE: [backstage] RealPlayer banished Toady! It can be done in Windows, not by standard you have a point, but with other applications. Gavin Pearce | Junior Web Developer | TBS The Columbia Centre, Market Street, Bracknell, RG12 1JG, United Kingdom Direct: +44 (0) 1344 403488 | Office: +44 (0) 1344 306011 | Fax: +44 (0) 1344 427138 MSN: [EMAIL PROTECTED] | Yahoo: pearce.gavin | Skype: tbs.gavin www.tbs.uk.com http://www.tbs.uk.com/ TBS is a trading name of Technology Services International Limited. Registered in England, company number 2079459. -Original Message- From: Adam [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: 13 June 2008 11:42 To: backstage@lists.bbc.co.uk Subject: Re: [backstage] RealPlayer banished Toady! [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Can Flash be reduced to a controllable toolbar on your start bar, and can it be told to stay on top of other windows ... both features that I for one use a lot with WMP and (OMG) RP as well. !--[if !supportEmptyParas]-- !--[endif]-- I think this can be done using AIR, but i haven't had a chance to play with creating my own AIR application yet. Adam This message has been scanned for viruses by Viatel MailControl, a service from Viatel. This message has been scanned for viruses by Viatel MailControl, a service from Viatel.
RE: [backstage] RealPlayer banished Toady!
I’d have to disagree. Not if it can’t easily be reduced to a controllable item on the task bar, and not if it can’t be told to stay conveniently on top of other windows. Having to have IE/FF open (with their physical screen size) to watch something in flash is just a nuisance especially if you can’t force them to stay on top of other windows. Also, it is very easy to accidentally close IE/FF and lose a flash prog, whereas WMP and RP are much easier to set and forget as you are usually only using them for one thing at one time, whereas web browsers are used for multiple things making it easy to forget what is or isn’t being used at any one time. If I follow any BBC content I always use standalone WMP or RP because I have got fed up of closing FF and losing embedded players. My bad, but I’m pretty sure other people have the same experience. Cheers -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Behalf Of Jonathan Tweed Sent: 13 June 2008 14:11 To: backstage@lists.bbc.co.uk Subject: Re: [backstage] RealPlayer banished Toady! Surely the point is that flash embedded content is a plain, simple, easy thing that works. That makes it more user friendly than before. Cheers Jonathan On 13 Jun 2008, at 12:08, [EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Anything is possible, of course, but people want plain simple easy things that work the way they expect them to work. Flash embedded BBC content isn’t really user friendly… I think. ;-) -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] [ mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Behalf Of Gavin Pearce Sent: 13 June 2008 11:52 To: 'backstage@lists.bbc.co.uk mailto:'backstage@lists.bbc.co.uk ' Subject: RE: [backstage] RealPlayer banished Toady! It can be done in Windows, not by standard you have a point, but with other applications. Gavin Pearce | Junior Web Developer | TBS The Columbia Centre, Market Street, Bracknell, RG12 1JG, United Kingdom Direct: +44 (0) 1344 403488 | Office: +44 (0) 1344 306011 | Fax: +44 (0) 1344 427138 MSN: [EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] | Yahoo: pearce.gavin | Skype: tbs.gavin www.tbs.uk.com http://www.tbs.uk.com http://www.tbs.uk.com/ TBS is a trading name of Technology Services International Limited. Registered in England, company number 2079459. -Original Message- From: Adam [ mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: 13 June 2008 11:42 To: backstage@lists.bbc.co.uk mailto:backstage@lists.bbc.co.uk Subject: Re: [backstage] RealPlayer banished Toady! [EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Can Flash be reduced to a controllable toolbar on your start bar, and can it be told to stay on top of other windows ... both features that I for one use a lot with WMP and (OMG) RP as well. !--[if !supportEmptyParas]-- !--[endif]-- I think this can be done using AIR, but i haven't had a chance to play with creating my own AIR application yet. Adam This message has been scanned for viruses by Viatel MailControl http://viatel.mailcontrol.com/ , a service from Viatel http://www.viatel.com/ . This message has been scanned for viruses by Viatel MailControl http://viatel.mailcontrol.com/ , a service from Viatel http://www.viatel.com/ .
RE: [backstage] RealPlayer banished Toady!
Can Flash be reduced to a controllable toolbar on your start bar, and can it be told to stay on top of other windows . both features that I for one use a lot with WMP and (OMG) RP as well. Or, if you like consolidation, just install Media Player Classic. (via RealAlternative if you want out-of-the-box RMV/RA support :) I use MPC and WMP, sometimes WMP just manages to decode less intensively but usually it's just MPC combined with a recent ffdshow-tryout for my day to day media playback. Far outstrips VLC's performance. To be honest, I don't know why the Beeb didn't ever recommend RealAlternative for playing back Real streams! It's pretty idiot-proof and you get none of the nags. :)
Re: [backstage] RealPlayer banished Toady!
2008/6/13 Jonathan Tweed [EMAIL PROTECTED]: Surely the point is that flash embedded content is a plain, simple, easy thing that works. That makes it more user friendly than before. It looks like the audio data's just MP3; it would be even more user friendly if it just used HTTP instead of obfuscating it with a proprietary protocol (RTMP). Then you wouldn't need Flash at all, although it does make it easier to click and listen in a web page. (Worried about people 'stealing' the audio? Don't be. I and other people have been merrily downloading Real streams for years. It's better quality if you grab it straight off air, though. My radio does that, by the way.) Paul. - Sent via the backstage.bbc.co.uk discussion group. To unsubscribe, please visit http://backstage.bbc.co.uk/archives/2005/01/mailing_list.html. Unofficial list archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/backstage@lists.bbc.co.uk/
Re: [backstage] RealPlayer banished Toady!
An option for the iplayer to pop-out to an always on top widow, would be lovely actually - I would't want it all the time, but for people who watch whilst using their computer, it would be much easier than re-opening the same tab in a new window, then resizing and scrolling it around until it looked right. On Fri, Jun 13, 2008 at 3:18 PM, Christopher Woods [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Can Flash be reduced to a controllable toolbar on your start bar, and can it be told to stay on top of other windows … both features that I for one use a lot with WMP and (OMG) RP as well. Or, if you like consolidation, just install Media Player Classic. (via RealAlternative if you want out-of-the-box RMV/RA support :) I use MPC and WMP, sometimes WMP just manages to decode less intensively but usually it's just MPC combined with a recent ffdshow-tryout for my day to day media playback. Far outstrips VLC's performance. To be honest, I don't know why the Beeb didn't ever recommend RealAlternative for playing back Real streams! It's pretty idiot-proof and you get none of the nags. :) - Sent via the backstage.bbc.co.uk discussion group. To unsubscribe, please visit http://backstage.bbc.co.uk/archives/2005/01/mailing_list.html. Unofficial list archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/backstage@lists.bbc.co.uk/
Re: [backstage] Too much iPhone already!
On Wed, Jun 11, 2008 at 6:06 PM, Brian Butterworth [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: http://www.bbc.co.uk/blogs/theeditors/2008/06/mad_about_mac.html Hey, that thing looks pretty good! Someone should make an iPlayer interface for it! I doubt the BBC would want to be seen as giving preference to one specific device by locking down an entire streaming interface to it though ;) Iain - Sent via the backstage.bbc.co.uk discussion group. To unsubscribe, please visit http://backstage.bbc.co.uk/archives/2005/01/mailing_list.html. Unofficial list archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/backstage@lists.bbc.co.uk/
RE: [backstage] RealPlayer banished Toady!
I'd second that ... -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Behalf Of Tom Hannen Sent: 13 June 2008 15:46 To: backstage@lists.bbc.co.uk Subject: Re: [backstage] RealPlayer banished Toady! An option for the iplayer to pop-out to an always on top widow, would be lovely actually - I would't want it all the time, but for people who watch whilst using their computer, it would be much easier than re-opening the same tab in a new window, then resizing and scrolling it around until it looked right. On Fri, Jun 13, 2008 at 3:18 PM, Christopher Woods [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Can Flash be reduced to a controllable toolbar on your start bar, and can it be told to stay on top of other windows ... both features that I for one use a lot with WMP and (OMG) RP as well. Or, if you like consolidation, just install Media Player Classic. (via RealAlternative if you want out-of-the-box RMV/RA support :) I use MPC and WMP, sometimes WMP just manages to decode less intensively but usually it's just MPC combined with a recent ffdshow-tryout for my day to day media playback. Far outstrips VLC's performance. To be honest, I don't know why the Beeb didn't ever recommend RealAlternative for playing back Real streams! It's pretty idiot-proof and you get none of the nags. :) - Sent via the backstage.bbc.co.uk discussion group. To unsubscribe, please visit http://backstage.bbc.co.uk/archives/2005/01/mailing_list.html. Unofficial list archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/backstage@lists.bbc.co.uk/ - Sent via the backstage.bbc.co.uk discussion group. To unsubscribe, please visit http://backstage.bbc.co.uk/archives/2005/01/mailing_list.html. Unofficial list archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/backstage@lists.bbc.co.uk/
Re: [backstage] RealPlayer banished Toady!
On Fri Jun 13 08:54:46 2008, Brian Butterworth wrote: 2008/6/13 Fred Phillips [EMAIL PROTECTED]: On Thu Jun 12 19:45:49 2008, Brian Butterworth wrote: 2008/6/12 Fred Phillips [EMAIL PROTECTED]: On Thu Jun 12 07:35:20 2008, Brian Butterworth wrote: 2008/6/12 Dogsbody [EMAIL PROTECTED]: What strange install allows RealPlaer but not Flash? Er, free software ones. http://www.adobe.com/shockwave/download/alternates/ has Linux x86, Solaris, Pocket PC and HP-UX versions as well as Windows 98/ME/2000/XP/Vista and MacOS/X So? They still aren't free. They don't cost anything at all to the consumer. That's free is the prtacicable sense. RealPlayer is, if you mean free-software, is much less free. Anyway, Flash is now free in the sense you mean, isn't it? I mean free as in freedom http://www.gnu.org/philosophy/free-sw.html, in which case neither Flash nor RealPlayer are free. But I can still play Real streams using free software. Fred - Sent via the backstage.bbc.co.uk discussion group. To unsubscribe, please visit http://backstage.bbc.co.uk/archives/2005/01/mailing_list.html. Unofficial list archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/backstage@lists.bbc.co.uk/
[backstage] BBC Topics - How It works
Since this has already been discussed a little on the board I hope you don't mind me posting this: http://www.bbc.co.uk/blogs/bbcinternet/2008/06/bbc_topics_how_it_works.html
Re: [backstage] RealPlayer banished Toady!
Paul Battley [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: It looks like the audio data's just MP3; it would be even more user friendly if it just used HTTP instead of obfuscating it with a proprietary protocol (RTMP). The obvious approach here would be to have a play with standalone MP3 player link, just like the existing RealMedia-based thing does. -- Adam Sampson [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://offog.org/ - Sent via the backstage.bbc.co.uk discussion group. To unsubscribe, please visit http://backstage.bbc.co.uk/archives/2005/01/mailing_list.html. Unofficial list archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/backstage@lists.bbc.co.uk/
Re: [backstage] RealPlayer banished Toady!
This one on the Guardian site has just such a link, and also a podcast it button too. 2008/6/13 Adam Sampson [EMAIL PROTECTED]: Paul Battley [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: It looks like the audio data's just MP3; it would be even more user friendly if it just used HTTP instead of obfuscating it with a proprietary protocol (RTMP). The obvious approach here would be to have a play with standalone MP3 player link, just like the existing RealMedia-based thing does. -- Adam Sampson [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://offog.org/ - Sent via the backstage.bbc.co.uk discussion group. To unsubscribe, please visit http://backstage.bbc.co.uk/archives/2005/01/mailing_list.html. Unofficial list archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/backstage@lists.bbc.co.uk/ -- Brian Butterworth http://www.ukfree.tv - independent digital television and switchover advice, since 2002
[backstage] Full article feeds on BBC blogs
We switched over our feeds on BBC blogs this PM to full article (nearly all were summaries before apart from radio labs and the internet blog.) This is all of our blogs including, I think for the first time, content in this format from news and sport. Nick Robinson, Mark Mardell, The Editors, Mihir Bose, Eddie Mair as well as yer Chris Evans, Steve Lamacq etc. Sorry its taken so long. http://www.bbc.co.uk/blogs/bbcinternet/2008/06/full_articletext_feeds_for_bb c.html (or of course just wait for it turn up in your reader) Let us know if its working ok. Jem - Sent via the backstage.bbc.co.uk discussion group. To unsubscribe, please visit http://backstage.bbc.co.uk/archives/2005/01/mailing_list.html. Unofficial list archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/backstage@lists.bbc.co.uk/
[backstage] BBC blog RSS feeds go... full text! Yay!
http://www.bbc.co.uk/blogs/bbcinternet/2008/06/full_articletext_feeds_for_bbc.html I've been asking for months. No, years. Finally. Hurray! Well done Jem, Aaron, and the others.
Re: [backstage] RealPlayer banished Toady!
Enjoying this thread so far. As the man in charge of the Coyopa project, which'll be fiddling with a lot of our streams, could I pop in and make the following points (given you know we're making changes later this year)... 1. We are not removing internet-radio-compatible streams. Panic not. 2. Flash streaming just works for most people, and as the TV iPlayer has shown, a tremendously popular way of consuming content. 3. HTTP downloads are not possible: we don't own most of the content. That's why you've spotted RTMP being used - it's a form of non-invasive Content Restriction And Protection. I'm sorry we have to use it. But we have to use it. 4. In the minority of cases where HTTP downloads are possible, I would like to make those available for more programmes than just the podcasts. 5. A pop-up player will continue to be available in iPlayer when radio moves in. I love the idea of segmenting stories within the Today programme, and I've ensured that the right people see that idea. Good. (grin) Beer, anyone?
Re: [backstage] More good news .. BBC to build web page for every TV show, says Jana Bennett
On Tue, Jun 10, 2008 at 3:18 PM, Brian Butterworth [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: http://www.guardian.co.uk/media/2008/jun/10/bbc.digitalmedia BBC to build web page for every TV show, says Jana Bennett A brilliant idea by the sounds of things. Cough http://www.bbc.co.uk/programmes (a page for every programme, tv or radio) On Tue, Jun 10, 2008 at 3:28 PM, Matt Barber [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Yeh, this way it will also be easier (if they implement it, which I hope they do) to find iPlayer episodes via the programme page rather than iplayer interface. Cough http://www.bbc.co.uk/programmes/genres/childrens/entertainmentandcomedy/player(a page showing, for example, all childrens entertainment on the iPlayer, tv or radio) I must get this cough seen to
Re: [backstage] RealPlayer banished Toady!
That's great news! On Fri, Jun 13, 2008 at 7:43 PM, James Cridland [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Enjoying this thread so far. As the man in charge of the Coyopa project, which'll be fiddling with a lot of our streams, could I pop in and make the following points (given you know we're making changes later this year)... 1. We are not removing internet-radio-compatible streams. Panic not. 2. Flash streaming just works for most people, and as the TV iPlayer has shown, a tremendously popular way of consuming content. 3. HTTP downloads are not possible: we don't own most of the content. That's why you've spotted RTMP being used - it's a form of non-invasive Content Restriction And Protection. I'm sorry we have to use it. But we have to use it. 4. In the minority of cases where HTTP downloads are possible, I would like to make those available for more programmes than just the podcasts. 5. A pop-up player will continue to be available in iPlayer when radio moves in. I love the idea of segmenting stories within the Today programme, and I've ensured that the right people see that idea. Good. (grin) Beer, anyone? - Sent via the backstage.bbc.co.uk discussion group. To unsubscribe, please visit http://backstage.bbc.co.uk/archives/2005/01/mailing_list.html. Unofficial list archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/backstage@lists.bbc.co.uk/
RE: [backstage] RealPlayer banished Toady!
An option for the iplayer to pop-out to an always on top widow, would be lovely actually - I would't want it all the time, but for people who watch whilst using their computer, it would be much easier than re-opening the same tab in a new window, then resizing and scrolling it around until it looked right. My housemate's been watching a lot of iPlayer stuff recently (our TV broke and she's going barmy without telly!) She also watches in a browser window so she can do other stuff (MSN etc). I quizzed her on what she'd like in terms of screen size, because she complains the video's too small (too much clutter around it if you don't go fullscreen) - why not offer a feature like ITV's Brightcove player offers, where you can click a button and it maximises the video window inside a frame - but doesn't jump to fullscreen? It'd be great for people who don't want to always go to fullscreen, if the video could enlarge over the top of the rest of the interface, and then just shrink back when you hit the button again / hit escape. That said, she has a 4:3 display on her laptop, and she also expressed a desire to be able to pan scan the widescreen video so she can fill more of her screen - she doesn't care that she's missing the sides as long as she can see the main action. Some people just don't /know/ what they want! But yes, anyway, I hardly think she's alone in her wishes - if the ability to pseudo-fullscreen the video (hide interface except for 'shrink' button), keeping the rest of browser and desktop visible though so you can multitask without having to fullscreen, jump back, fullscreen again all the time, that'd be a smashing addition. And as well, a button to automatically pan scan the video to the centre of the stream would be a bit of a pain to sort out, but I think people with older monitors might use it. I guess not everybody always likes digital black and to watch programmes the way the director intended :( Final question - when's MP4 streaming properly coming to the PC platform, then? ;) - Sent via the backstage.bbc.co.uk discussion group. To unsubscribe, please visit http://backstage.bbc.co.uk/archives/2005/01/mailing_list.html. Unofficial list archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/backstage@lists.bbc.co.uk/
