Re: [backstage] BBC local radio still has Olympics blocks on international listeners
From the iPlayer FAQs BBC Nations and Local Radio live streams will feature Paralympics coverage and therefore will be unavailable to international audiences (this applies to all Nations and Local Radio stations except Radio Cymru which remains available internationally live and on-demand). For technical reasons it is not possible to reinstate international availability of live streams between the Olympics and the Paralympics. Normal availability for international audiences will return a few days after the games on Friday 14 September. http://iplayerhelp.external.bbc.co.uk/help/announcements/radio_online_paralympics *my italics On 17/08/2012 14:54, Andy Armstrong a...@hexten.net wrote: On 17 Aug 2012, at 14:31, Paul Webster p...@dabdig.com wrote: Just in case someone knows someone who knows someone who can get this resolved ... The streams of BBC Local radio are still blocked (replaced with the standard content not available at this time message). The iPlayer FAQ entry about content not being available during Olympics has been removed .. so I presume that the block should have been as well. Will it be imposed again during Paralympics? I verified using IP address in France and tried BBC London, Devon and Mersey - to their WMA streams. hat class=bbcI don't know the answer but I've asked someone who should./hat Sucks dunnit? Apologies. -- Andy Armstrong, Hexten - Sent via the backstage.bbc.co.uk discussion group. To unsubscribe, please visit http://backstage.bbc.co.uk/archives/2005/01/mailing_list.html. Unofficial list archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/backstage@lists.bbc.co.uk/ http://www.bbc.co.uk This e-mail (and any attachments) is confidential and may contain personal views which are not the views of the BBC unless specifically stated. If you have received it in error, please delete it from your system. Do not use, copy or disclose the information in any way nor act in reliance on it and notify the sender immediately. Please note that the BBC monitors e-mails sent or received. Further communication will signify your consent to this. -
[backstage] George Wright / Twitter Chat / Head of Prototyping / Internet Week
Sorry to spam list ! Hope this is relevant: Thought list might be interested to know that tomorrow lunchtime; George Wright; the BBC's Head of Prototyping will be answering questions for an hour via Twitter about his teams' work building demos, services and prototypes for the BBC's Research and Development dept. This is part of a series of events for Internet Week Europe and the BBC that i've been helping out with: (http://www.internetweekeurope.com/ ) George and his team are of course, no strangers to this list but for a good round up of what their work entails then see their now lengthy collection of weeknotes : http://www.bbc.co.uk/blogs/researchanddevelopment/prototyping-weeknotes/ or see George's bio on the RD site: http://www.bbc.co.uk/rd/about/george_wright.shtml Subjects that might come up are up to you but i expect they could include: HTML5, P2P Next: http://www.p2p-next.org/ , Radio DNS, their work with Autumnwatch/2screen, and Twitter itself : http://www.bbc.co.uk/blogs/researchanddevelopment/2010/07/zeitgeist-the-most-shared-bbc.shtml To take part : then tag your queries #bbciweek or #iweu BBC prototyping is @bbcprototyping and George Wright is @georgie on Twitter. I'm @jemstone The chat starts at 1pm until 2pm... thanks Jem
Re: [backstage] BBC iPlayer for Apple TV
. - Original Message - From: owner-backst...@lists.bbc.co.uk owner-backst...@lists.bbc.co.uk To: backstage@lists.bbc.co.uk backstage@lists.bbc.co.uk Sent: Wed Feb 03 10:22:11 2010 Subject: Re: [backstage] BBC iPlayer for Apple TV On 2 Feb 2010, at 22:14, Jonathan Tweed wrote: Thanks, it's been a fun project. Do feel free to fork and improve :) Nifty! At last, a use for the Apple TV? ;-) S - Sent via the backstage.bbc.co.uk discussion group. To unsubscribe, please visit http://backstage.bbc.co.uk/archives/2005/01/mailing_list.html. Unofficial list archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/backstage@lists.bbc.co.uk/
Re: [backstage] The BBC is encrypting its HD signal by the back door
Oh its just like the old days :) Jem Stone Communities Executive | BBC Audio and Music O7966 551242 | twitter: @jemstone | jem.stone [at] bbc.co.uk. - Original Message - From: owner-backst...@lists.bbc.co.uk owner-backst...@lists.bbc.co.uk To: backstage@lists.bbc.co.uk backstage@lists.bbc.co.uk Sent: Fri Oct 02 20:12:04 2009 Subject: Re: [backstage] The BBC is encrypting its HD signal by the back door Rob Myers wrote: On 02/10/09 19:17, Nick Reynolds-FMT wrote: People on this list may be interested in this latest blog post: http://www.bbc.co.uk/blogs/bbcinternet/2009/10/freeview_hd_copy_protecti on_a.html The first commenter is far more worth reading than the original post - http://www.bbc.co.uk/blogs/bbcinternet/2009/10/freeview_hd_copy_protection_a.html?ssorl=1254509384ssoc=rd http://www.bbc.co.uk/blogs/bbcinternet/2009/10/freeview_hd_copy_protection_a.html 2. The DTV is not serving the public if it introduces unnecessary controls and complexity into the standards process. Requiring secret codes to decompress the data stream is excluding free and open source software (just like the content scrambling system excluded open source DVD players). The ability to revoke or otherwise impose sanctions on the consumer electronics industry, including retrospective disabling of products and impose restrictions on functionality. After all that is it's intent. 3. To whom ever the DTLA is responding it is not the public. As indicated above, it is about giving the content industries control. 4. It will apply to HD devices without a HDMI output, another overly complex standard that will raise the cost to consumers due to the addition of encryption etc, which restricts the devices it will 'trust'. 5. The BBC's cosy negotiation with rightholders and secretive consultations amounts to us neglecting our responsibilities and a desire to slip this process through quietly This point we take most seriously. Above all else, we are a public organisation funded by the Licence Fee and have committed ourselves to greater transparency and openness because we believe that this is an obligation we have to our audience And yet you are looking to sophistry and an abuse of language to subvert the legal requirement to broadcast an unencrypted signal. It is clear that if you need a secret key to uncompress the broadcast stream rather than using a public standard which anyone can implement, then you are de facto engaged in encryption just like the Content Scrambling System. In my view this is a breach of the legal requirement to broadcast an un-encrypted signal. Any collusion by Ofcom's part, would not void the intention and letter of the law. nick.reyno...@bbc.co.uk How would the cause of audiences be served if the BBC refused to deal with content vendors and as a result audiences could not access that content? As usual it's a difficult balancing act. No it is a blatent breach of the law - Sent via the backstage.bbc.co.uk discussion group. To unsubscribe, please visit http://backstage.bbc.co.uk/archives/2005/01/mailing_list.html. Unofficial list archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/backstage@lists.bbc.co.uk/
Re: [backstage] RDTV launched
R . -Original Message- From: owner-backst...@lists.bbc.co.uk owner-backst...@lists.bbc.co.uk To: backstage@lists.bbc.co.uk backstage@lists.bbc.co.uk Sent: Sat Apr 18 12:13:50 2009 Subject: Re: [backstage] RDTV launched mp4 when badly setup glitches horribly on slower machines. and it isn't easy to setup well has to be checked (on a slower machine ;) this 'format competition' is boring, especially as my dongle got caught inadvertently dloading a 5min 500mB file which really annoyed me, I only get 3GB/month on it. we don't all have permanent megapipes seems to be forgotten in the techie oneupmanship stakes. public service broadcaster remember. .mkv/xvid public domain software - standardise - finito - spend time instead putting out some archive material on bbc r d would be great. There must be something on blumlein or baird heh heh. now that would be interesting. Nico M 2009/4/16 Adam Sampson a...@offog.org: Mr I Forrester mail...@cubicgarden.com writes: So if Mpeg4 isn't to your taste, you should hold out for the Ogg Theora, Xvid and WMV versions once I crank up my Quad Processor PIII Xeon box :) Looks good! It'd be nice to have a Dirac version too, if you've got some CPU time spare -- Dirac started as a BBC RD project and is supported by several free video players now, but there's not a lot of content out there using it yet... - Sent via the backstage.bbc.co.uk discussion group. To unsubscribe, please visit http://backstage.bbc.co.uk/archives/2005/01/mailing_list.html. Unofficial list archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/backstage@lists.bbc.co.uk/
RE: [backstage] iPlayer download client for the Mac
Sorry fellas. Can we have this discussion somewhere else ? This makes life harder for the iPlayer team who will have to look again at what they're doing. this makes life harder for the backstage team who want this list to carry on as unmoderated. We know this stuff is going but discussion and links to it on a bbc hosted list is a no-no as we've pointed out before. thanks Jem Stone. -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] on behalf of Paul Battley Sent: Fri 5/30/2008 2:07 PM To: backstage@lists.bbc.co.uk Subject: Re: [backstage] iPlayer download client for the Mac 2008/5/30 Graeme West [EMAIL PROTECTED]: Apologies if this is a dupe, or old news. Someone (Paul Battley, I think, possibly others) has made a rather nice download client for the streaming iPlayer for the Mac. I'm responsible for the iplayer-dl downloader, but not for the front-end client. I'm not particularly interested in GUIs myself (typical programmer!) but I did refactor the code deliberately to facilitate integration into GUIs in the hope that other people would write them. There's a couple for OS X, but nothing for Windows yet as far as I'm aware. I've always had trouble with the argument - made somewhat often on this list - that the content protection on services like the iPlayer just had to be 'good enough' to keep the majority from downloading the content (to keep), rather than super-secure in order to keep the tech savvy. This is the proof that that argument is wrong. The iplayer-dl program is still difficult to use for the majority, I think - and I haven't gone out of my way to address that. It's a lot easier for Mac users now; if someone writes an easy-to-install Windows front-end (which could be quite easy with rubyscript2exe and Tk, I suspect), it really will be available to the masses. That's a low hurdle to jump. Once it happens, this could be really disruptive. So perhaps a download button on the streaming iPlayer (to grab MP4s) isn't such a radical idea? Technically, it's practically there already. Culturally, it's almost inconceivable. It's entirely an issue of perception. Paul. - Sent via the backstage.bbc.co.uk discussion group. To unsubscribe, please visit http://backstage.bbc.co.uk/archives/2005/01/mailing_list.html. Unofficial list archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/backstage@lists.bbc.co.uk/
RE: [backstage] BBC website review: Site failing to act as 'trusted guide
A few interesting points picked out by the guardian ;) -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] on behalf of Brian Butterworth Sent: Thu 5/29/2008 5:20 PM To: backstage@lists.bbc.co.uk Subject: [backstage] BBC website review: Site failing to act as 'trusted guide A few interesting points... http://www.guardian.co.uk/media/2008/may/29/bbc.digitalmedia1 et al The BBC Trust also found that bbc.co.uk's internal search engine is not effective and its usage is declining. Referrals from the internal search engine declined from 24% of total bbc.co.uk traffic to 19% between the last quarter of 2006 and the same period last year, the trust noted. The trust cited figures of low levels of usage for the BBC's web search service - around 3 million monthly users, compared with 28 million for Google and 6 million each for Yahoo, MSN and Ask. In the context of a web search market which has become increasingly commercially attractive, we have considered whether there is a role for a public service engine, said the BBC Trust. - bbc.co.uk's service licence states that it should act as a trusted guide to the internet, guiding users to the wider web and linking to external websites with high public value - the BBC Trust said it was disappointed to see findings that showed that in July 2007 there were just 4.6 million click-throughs by UK users from bbc.co.uk to external websites, with an overall pattern trending downwards - comments from the public consultation and research suggest that the ineffectiveness and inaccessibility of the links is the main factor preventing greater usage. - We are [also] not convinced that BBC management's ambition to be 'part of' the web rather than 'on it' by embedding BBC content on other sites, such as YouTube, plays any role in acting as a 'trusted guide' to the wider web, the BBC Trust added. Rather, this is mainly a way of marketing BBC content to those who might not otherwise access it. - The report pointed out that as recently as January 2008, BBC executives had predicted that bbc.co.uk would only be about 5% over budget for the financial year. In fact, the trust's own review carried out in December 2007 was showing the bbc.co.uk annual budget had been blown by 48%. --- Brian Butterworth http://www.ukfree.tv - independent digital television and switchover advice, since 2002
RE: [backstage] Stephen Fry: There is this marvellous idea the iPlayer is secure. It's anything but secure
the transcript and audio have just been uploaded. http://www.bbc.co.uk/thefuture/transcript_fry.shtml video goes out on bbc parliament and then iplayer after that on sat 9pm. fry's point about downloading iPlayer files is actually a sideshow to (another) lengthy spirited defence of the licence fee and the public good. some nice jokes, intellectual flights of fancy and laboured metaphors too of course. -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] on behalf of Richard P Edwards Sent: Thu 5/8/2008 1:45 PM To: backstage@lists.bbc.co.uk Subject: Re: [backstage] Stephen Fry: There is this marvellous idea the iPlayer is secure. It's anything but secure I agree with Mr Fry's position and furthermore, I think that it is important, as is my own case, to understand that there are many rights-holders who fear all of this. and the result is that they cannot see a high quality/secure way to release their work for financial reward. Therefore the speed of cultural development has suffered since the mid 90's, across both TV and Radio. and a lot of supporting industries. If the BBC were to connect the two it would be wonderful, even a new secure codec would help. I am still not certain about Dave Crossland's model either.. and as a result it is very frustrating to try to professionally consider why I should work so hard when the rules of distribution are clearly so uncertain at present. RichE On 8 May 2008, at 10:42, Tom Loosemore wrote: unhelpfully, the BBC's not yet put up the transcript of the speech, so it's hard to judge given the vagries of reporting... http://www.bbc.co.uk/thefuture/ 2008/5/8 Andrew Wong [EMAIL PROTECTED]: Can I just pedal backwards very quickly as I realise that in reading the article, Mr. Fry actually said no such thing... he just pointed out that the lock wasn't particularly secure. Which is not news to anyone... *pedals backwards rapidly* From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Andrew Wong Sent: 08 May 2008 10:20 To: backstage@lists.bbc.co.uk Subject: RE: [backstage] Stephen Fry: There is this marvellous idea the iPlayer is secure. It's anything but secure It's rather interesting that one of the very few TV personalities who really *gets* the digital revolution (tm) and all that is essentially arguing that the digital arms race needs to be beefed up, instead of starting negotations. My personal opinion, not those of my employers etc. Andrew From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Brian Butterworth Sent: 08 May 2008 08:31 To: backstage@lists.bbc.co.uk Subject: [backstage] Stephen Fry: There is this marvellous idea the iPlayer is secure. It's anything but secure http://www.guardian.co.uk/media/2008/may/08/bbc.television2 He also sounded a warning for BBC executives, accusing them of incredible naivety in believing they could control the distribution of programmes online. Programmes distributed via the BBC's increasingly popular online iPlayer service are supposed to be viewable for a week only, and can be stored on a PC for up to 30 days. But Fry said that large numbers of viewers were bypassing the corporation's digital rights management software, and more would follow. There is this marvellous idea the iPlayer is secure. It's anything but secure, said Fry, host of the TV quiz show QI. His recent documentary on the Gutenberg printing press was one of the most popular programmes on the iPlayer catch-up service. The BBC is throwing out really valuable content for free. It shows an incredible naivety about how the internet and digital devices work. Fry admitted to bypassing the copy protection to transfer programmes to his Apple iPhone, and said the corporation's iPlayer was hurting its commercial rivals. Brian Butterworth - Sent via the backstage.bbc.co.uk discussion group. To unsubscribe, please visit http://backstage.bbc.co.uk/archives/2005/01/ mailing_list.html. Unofficial list archive: http://www.mail- archive.com/backstage@lists.bbc.co.uk/ - Sent via the backstage.bbc.co.uk discussion group. To unsubscribe, please visit http://backstage.bbc.co.uk/archives/2005/01/mailing_list.html. Unofficial list archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/backstage@lists.bbc.co.uk/
RE: [backstage] Stephen Fry: There is this marvellous idea the iPlayer is secure. It's anything but secure
don't shoot the messenger! -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] on behalf of Phil Wilson Sent: Thu 5/8/2008 3:56 PM To: backstage@lists.bbc.co.uk Subject: Re: [backstage] Stephen Fry: There is this marvellous idea the iPlayer is secure. It's anything but secure Jeremy Stone wrote: the transcript and audio have just been uploaded. http://www.bbc.co.uk/thefuture/transcript_fry.shtml wot, no mp3? ;) Phil - Sent via the backstage.bbc.co.uk discussion group. To unsubscribe, please visit http://backstage.bbc.co.uk/archives/2005/01/mailing_list.html. Unofficial list archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/backstage@lists.bbc.co.uk/
RE: [backstage] Open Flash
no better than the BBC executives who are routinely criticized on this list. blimey! stop damning us with faint praise Dave.
RE: [backstage] BBC Hires Dirk-Willem van Gulik as CTA
Yet again. Another example of the BBC being in hock to Gates and the evil oh hang on a minute. From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Tom Loosemore Sent: 17 January 2008 16:16 To: backstage@lists.bbc.co.uk Subject: [backstage] BBC Hires Dirk-Willem van Gulik as CTA It's only mid-Jan, but I bet the below is the best news about the BBC I will hear this year. http://www.paidcontent.co.uk/entry/419-industry-moves-joost-cto-leaves-t o-build-new-bbc-network/ More on the man... http://www.go-opensource.org/go_open/episode_3/big_guns/
RE: [backstage] flash streaming version of iplayer is live
James Cridland of this parish has also written a blog post here with a screenshot of it running on Ubuntu. http://james.cridland.net/blog/2007/12/12/iplayer-on-gnulinux/ BBC staffers still recovering from shock of near universal response of people now saying. iPlayer..its quite good. I might use it now. -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Glyn Wintle Sent: 13 December 2007 13:14 To: backstage@lists.bbc.co.uk Subject: Re: [backstage] flash streaming version of iplayer is live It does work on my Ubuntu. Adobe Flash Player 9 - Original Message From: Andy [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: backstage@lists.bbc.co.uk Sent: Thursday, December 13, 2007 12:16:23 PM Subject: Re: [backstage] flash streaming version of iplayer is live Nice to see the BBC have made sure that it doesn't run on Linux, or at least it doesn't run on this version. I get a nice blank grey screen. And a mouse hand with no indication of what it does. Clicking it informs me I have to enter into a legally binding contract[1]. A contract that states if I want to use a tablet I have to also buy Windows XP. (it lists a specific version I must have). How is it in the least bit cross platform if I have to enter into a contract that says I have to use WindowsXP? It also states the software can only be used on a PC, so what are Mac users meant to do? (aside from breach contract). This is a complete sham. With the contract for the software needed to access the content it works on very few platforms. And oddly it won't work on other implementations of Flash. How about using a non-Windows streaming solution? Or is the plan to try and trick the Trust into believing that software that states PC only, and Tablet PCs must run WinXP is cross platform? [1] http://www.adobe.com/products/eulas/players/flash/ Andy -- Computers are like air conditioners. Both stop working, if you open windows. -- Adam Heath - Sent via the backstage.bbc.co.uk discussion group. To unsubscribe, please visit http://backstage.bbc.co.uk/archives/2005/01/mailing_list.html. Unofficial list archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/backstage@lists.bbc.co.uk/ Never miss a thing. Make Yahoo your home page. http://www.yahoo.com/r/hs - Sent via the backstage.bbc.co.uk discussion group. To unsubscribe, please visit http://backstage.bbc.co.uk/archives/2005/01/mailing_list.html. Unofficial list archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/backstage@lists.bbc.co.uk/ - Sent via the backstage.bbc.co.uk discussion group. To unsubscribe, please visit http://backstage.bbc.co.uk/archives/2005/01/mailing_list.html. Unofficial list archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/backstage@lists.bbc.co.uk/
RE: [backstage] Broadcasters to launch joint VoD service
Ashley Highfield has written a blog post explaining how kangaroo complements iPlayer here: http://www.bbc.co.uk/blogs/bbcinternet/2007/11/iplayer_and_kangaroo_1.ht ml it is much better for the BBC, ITV and C4 to have a say in a distribution service rather than leave it just to the likes of Joost or Babelgum to own the relationship with our audiences after the public service window. -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Steve Jolly Sent: 27 November 2007 15:52 To: backstage@lists.bbc.co.uk Subject: Re: [backstage] Broadcasters to launch joint VoD service Brian Butterworth wrote: http://blogs.guardian.co.uk/organgrinder/2007/11/kangaroo_a_giant_leap _for_tele.html That second commenter seems rather familiar... :-) S - Sent via the backstage.bbc.co.uk discussion group. To unsubscribe, please visit http://backstage.bbc.co.uk/archives/2005/01/mailing_list.html. Unofficial list archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/backstage@lists.bbc.co.uk/ - Sent via the backstage.bbc.co.uk discussion group. To unsubscribe, please visit http://backstage.bbc.co.uk/archives/2005/01/mailing_list.html. Unofficial list archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/backstage@lists.bbc.co.uk/
RE: [backstage] Muddy Boots on Backstage
Am I on the right list ? We seem to have ended up discussing the merits, bugs, inner workings of a prototype. Whatever next ! could be used ...) Hi, Rob - this is neat, though not entirely sure that it's working entirely as you might want... http://muddyboots.rattleresearch.com/cgi-bin/mb.cgi?action=pageid=701 ...a page about The Sun (and the News of the World) has lots of links off to the NASA website - presumably because of the use of the word Sun... I had a similar experience- the story about the proposed expansion of Heathrow Airport had a list of links telling me how to configure an Apple Aiprort Express. Understandable, but not relevant. - Sent via the backstage.bbc.co.uk discussion group. To unsubscribe, please visit http://backstage.bbc.co.uk/archives/2005/01/mailing_list.html. Unofficial list archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/backstage@lists.bbc.co.uk/
RE: [backstage] Ashley Highfield speaks again
Whether it was deliberately misleading I couldn't say. I suppose my opinion will depend on whether he corrects himself or lets the misunderstanding stand. It was certainly a derogatory remark to make about the size and implied importance/relevance of the linux community. Ashley now contributes to the BBC Internet team(s) group blog http://www.bbc.co.uk/blogs/bbcinternet/ which launched this week. We've asked him to share more detail about the source of the figures as obviously its been mentioned on this list and in a few other blogs/forums over the last couple of days. He's putting together a round up post of the comments following the reaction to his interviews/podcast this week. for later today i think. http://www.bbc.co.uk/blogs/bbcinternet/2007/10/its_good_to_talk.html a sister blog to the existing Editors' blogs for News and Sport. A place where we, senior staff from BBC Future Media teams will talk about issues raised by you about the technology behind bbc.co.uk, our mobile services and the BBC's presence on the internet. Jem
RE: [backstage] Ashley Highfield on iPlayer - 26min Interview
Do you mean this ? From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Simon Cobb Sent: 31 October 2007 13:33 To: backstage@lists.bbc.co.uk Subject: RE: [backstage] Ashley Highfield on iPlayer - 26min Interview I'm unsure how this bussiness model would translate to other media though. In an article that seems only available in the 'dead tree' edition of last Sunday's Observer, and thus unreferenceable here, some American chap was talking about how live sport will only go up in terms of the rights revenue required to host it on your media outlet. It's the perfect commercial media product that removes all incentive to copy it and redistribute it. Once it is available to be transcribed to a medium that can be replicated and passed around it's lost its value as everyone who was interested was either there or already knows how it turned out. All that's left is to mine the highlights and bloopers to serve ahead of the next game for which you can charge sponsors and consumers anew. In my view (and, I think, the American chap's), that's the model to follow to monetise content. Identify off-schedule content that 'expires' once it has been consumed. From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of vijay chopra Sent: 31 October 2007 12:46 To: backstage@lists.bbc.co.uk Subject: Re: [backstage] Ashley Highfield on iPlayer - 26min Interview On 31/10/2007, Tom Loosemore [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: FWIW I think it's a more powerful argument to state that the value of a recording per-se is now tending towards zero, digital tech having removed scarcity from much of the value chain. The business models which recognise this will thrive in the long term. Bingo! Personally I can see a time when bands will make most of their money from performances and associated merchandising with recordings heading towards either a price of £free, or a Radioheadesque pay what you want. Unless, of course, you want the physical CD (or Vinyl, as it seems to be making a comeback) with bonus extra track and cover art* etc. For which you'll have to pay a premium. I'm unsure how this bussiness model would translate to other media though. *Why did good cover art die out with vinyl anyway?
RE: [backstage] Ashley Highfield on iPlayer - 26min Interview
Sorry I mean this http://observer.guardian.co.uk/sport/story/0,,2200816,00.html From: Jeremy Stone Sent: 31 October 2007 13:47 To: 'backstage@lists.bbc.co.uk' Subject: RE: [backstage] Ashley Highfield on iPlayer - 26min Interview Do you mean this ? From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Simon Cobb Sent: 31 October 2007 13:33 To: backstage@lists.bbc.co.uk Subject: RE: [backstage] Ashley Highfield on iPlayer - 26min Interview I'm unsure how this bussiness model would translate to other media though. In an article that seems only available in the 'dead tree' edition of last Sunday's Observer, and thus unreferenceable here, some American chap was talking about how live sport will only go up in terms of the rights revenue required to host it on your media outlet. It's the perfect commercial media product that removes all incentive to copy it and redistribute it. Once it is available to be transcribed to a medium that can be replicated and passed around it's lost its value as everyone who was interested was either there or already knows how it turned out. All that's left is to mine the highlights and bloopers to serve ahead of the next game for which you can charge sponsors and consumers anew. In my view (and, I think, the American chap's), that's the model to follow to monetise content. Identify off-schedule content that 'expires' once it has been consumed. From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of vijay chopra Sent: 31 October 2007 12:46 To: backstage@lists.bbc.co.uk Subject: Re: [backstage] Ashley Highfield on iPlayer - 26min Interview On 31/10/2007, Tom Loosemore [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: FWIW I think it's a more powerful argument to state that the value of a recording per-se is now tending towards zero, digital tech having removed scarcity from much of the value chain. The business models which recognise this will thrive in the long term. Bingo! Personally I can see a time when bands will make most of their money from performances and associated merchandising with recordings heading towards either a price of £free, or a Radioheadesque pay what you want. Unless, of course, you want the physical CD (or Vinyl, as it seems to be making a comeback) with bonus extra track and cover art* etc. For which you'll have to pay a premium. I'm unsure how this bussiness model would translate to other media though. *Why did good cover art die out with vinyl anyway?
RE: [backstage] Thoughts from a previous BBC employee
I don't mean to sound snide, but I'd struggle to point to a single online project where I could say there, the BBC are leading the way.. Actually the BBC once did a promo advert with John Cleese mimicing the Life of Brian's what have the romans ever given us. (its got space invaders in the background). It was a while ago mind. the licence fee was £58. http://uk.youtube.com/watch?v=UWdqzfzDO20 Ok. I'll have a go... - the leading pre-school website, certainly in the UK if not the world. - millions of hours of radio listening on demand every month and more than any other website in the world. - probably the most pioneering (Radio 1) media brand online in the UK - the UK's leading mobile service. - nearly 13 years of BBC News online, drm free podcasts (first in UK), 90% of teenagers using a BBC online revision service every year cont'd p94..yawn yawn. please shut up BBC fanboy...sorry staffer we're not bad at that thing called interactive telly either. (does that count ?) (Tom - stop being cheeky. You've only been gone a few weeks.) Jem
RE: [backstage] Can we have a developer mailing list?
, but this mailing list is just becoming a BBC Bashing list. From time to time there has been (mostly around iPlayer) some strong criticism of how the BBC develops products. That's good. When Tom L once kicked off this list, in his first post/introduction he said that the Noise *is* the signal. So I'm happy to hear. In fact I'm keen to hear how criticism of how we do stuff. If that includes the iplayer roadmap, the OSC, our use of Firefox, time expiry DRM then so be it. If that means having to talk about or explain what we do ...again. Then that's what we're here for. I think James is right that we collectively should steer the list in the right direction from time to time (good tips sir!) but as for BBC Bashing. If its about how we develop our stuff then good. Happy to hear it. Now where was that explanation about the licencing of Fairplay again ;) Thanks. Jem - Sent via the backstage.bbc.co.uk discussion group. To unsubscribe, please visit http://backstage.bbc.co.uk/archives/2005/01/mailing_list.html. Unofficial list archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/backstage@lists.bbc.co.uk/
RE: [backstage] Plain text or easy-to-parse news articles
Is anyone aware of any reason why they do not link directly to the story on the relevant site instead? The journalists working on the relevant news story pick the related link to publish alongside their piece. However they use a tool to help them in this task where stories are suggested to them (from thousands of sources). This tool is based on a feed of worldwide news sources (online newspapers etc) supplied to the BBC by Moreover. BBC News have been using it for a number of years.
RE: [backstage] Over 10,000 sign BBC iplayer petition
Hi Vijay Thanks for uploading that. It will get to the BBC FOI site soon. http://www.bbc.co.uk/foi/docs/responses_bbc.shtml There are other FOI requests relating to the iPlayer there too. The BBC seems to receive many FOI queries based around its web/digital activity ;) http://www.bbc.co.uk/foi/docs/freedom_of_information/selected_requests_and_responses/2007/SR2007000122_Media_Player_Technology.pdf http://www.bbc.co.uk/foi/docs/freedom_of_information/selected_requests_and_responses/2006/SR200609_Integrated_Media_Player.pdf I don't think there is anything in this response that various BBC staff/execs have talked about on the list many many times. We really don't mind talking about this... thanks Jem -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] on behalf of vijay chopra Sent: Tue 7/24/2007 7:37 PM To: backstage@lists.bbc.co.uk Subject: Re: [backstage] Over 10,000 sign BBC iplayer petition On 24/07/07, Richard Lockwood [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: More seriously, if there's no announcement about (at the least) a release date for a version for Mac by the end of the year, they may have a point, but at the moment I still say the BBC are doing absolutely the right thing, given the restrictions imposed on them. Cheers, Rich. Today I got a reply from my month old FOI request (just in time) about iPlayer, and so we can now see the exact restrictions imposed on them (not the usual speculation about it that we usually get). My question: Can you please supply me with all documents relating to the choice of Microsoft DRM as the Digital Rights Management scheme for the BBC's upcoming iPlayer content on demand service. These documents should include, but are not limited to technical and financial consultation documents, documents detailing why any other DRM schemes were dismissed and the minutes of any meetings dealing with issues arising from any of the aforementioned documents The relevant part of the answer: The functionality required of that DRM solution is dictated to a large extent by the restrictions associated with the rights, combined with the overall requirements of the service. This functionality can be summarised as: 1. An adequate level of protection. Adequate in this case means a proven track record and acceptance by rights holders. 2. The functionality to support the required rights framework, which at minimum is expiry a set period after the first start of playback, and expiry a set period after the time of transmission on a BBC TV channel. 3. The flexibility to extend this minimum functionality (e.g. around playback rules, and controlled transfer between devices), recognising the relative infancy of this sort of service, and the likelihood that the proposition will evolve. 4. The demonstrated ability to handle considerable scale (the iPlayer could have a significant number of users). 5. Support for multiple platforms (PC, Mac/Intel, Mac/PowerPC, Linux) in line with the standards applied for bbc.co.uk. You can see the full thing here: http://vjchopra.googlepages.com/RFI2007000558-finalresponse.pdf Vijay.
RE: Uploading the BBC programme catalogue to freebase (was RE: [backstage] Programme Catalogue vs. Freebase (was: BBC Programme Catalogue -any APIs yet?))
Hi Graeme Get in touch with me off list and we can sort this out. thanks Jem Stone. -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] on behalf of Robin Doran Sent: Tue 7/24/2007 9:50 PM To: backstage@lists.bbc.co.uk; backstage@lists.bbc.co.uk Subject: RE: Uploading the BBC programme catalogue to freebase (was RE: [backstage] Programme Catalogue vs. Freebase (was: BBC Programme Catalogue -any APIs yet?)) Hi Graeme, The robots.txt file has been accidentally dropped from the new release and we will be re-introducing it, this is due to initial concerns complaints raised about personal data population in external search engines when the service was launched. On the subject of scraping the data, I've asked the catalogue.bbc.co.uk team to clarify the terms of use on the data to see if that will help answer your question but if you have a specific request then I would recommend using the Contact Us page http://catalogue.bbc.co.uk/catalogue/infax/contact Regards, From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] on behalf of Graeme West Sent: Tue 7/24/2007 20:39 To: backstage@lists.bbc.co.uk Subject: Re: Uploading the BBC programme catalogue to freebase (was RE: [backstage] Programme Catalogue vs. Freebase (was: BBC Programme Catalogue -any APIs yet?)) Hi all, Sorry to re-open an old thread - just wondering what the position is on scraping the catalogue.bbc.co.uk test site? I say this because I'm trying a little experiment - ingesting the whole catalogue into our Fedora repository ( http://www.fedora.info ) to be cross-referenced with the 200+ hours of BBC audio and video which we legally hold in our legacy repository as per our deposit agreement with the BBC ( http://www.spokenword.ac.uk/using-audio-video/copyright/ ). The reason I ask is that I've constructed a set of scripts which scrape the catalogue.bbc.co.uk archive's RDF files. I've already got a 'master' list of all programme URLs (the script to generate that took a pretty long time on a JANET connection), but having started the crawler grabbing the actual RDF streams for each programme, I can see that this is going to involve a pretty large amount of data transfer. FYI, my crawler uses Wget and respects robots.txt files. There's no robots.txt file on catalogue.bbc.co.uk so it seems to be fair game, but there is one on open.bbc.co.uk - I'm scraping from the former obviously. Clearly there's a licensing issue with copying the content but I'm only trying this as a technical experiment at this stage anyway - it will not be publicly available. -- Graeme West Spoken Word Services Glasgow Caledonian University Email: [EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Project web site: http://www.spokenword.ac.uk/ http://www.spokenword.ac.uk/ On 9 Jul 2007, at 21:30, Brendan Quinn wrote: I was considering entering a hack for Hack Day around that very thing. But then they went and made me one of the judges ;-) Wanna help? A simple set of scripts that scrape the archive (er I mean call that big RESTful API) and post entries/updates to the freebase sandbox server would be an interesting experiment. I agree that freebase is an amazing resource, especially when the programme data is curated properly: compare http://www.freebase.com/view/?id=%239202a8c04000641f80012406 with http://open.bbc.co.uk/catalogue/infax/series/DOCTOR+WHO ! There may be some rights issues around what would basically amount to opening up the programme catalogue under the creative commons attribution license, where the attribution wouldn't go to the BBC but to Freebase... Brendan. -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Oliver Cole Sent: 09 July 2007 20:51 To: backstage@lists.bbc.co.uk Subject: [backstage] Programme Catalogue vs. Freebase (was: BBC Programme Catalogue -any APIs yet?) I've been following the Programme Catalogue since it was announced, and its pretty interesting. I do however have a question for the BBC people on the list - have you considered simply uploading all the information to Freebase[1]? I can understand that you might want to keep it in house, but if you merged it with the wealth of information on Freebase you can do exponentially more. For example, if it was properly integrated you could run a query that would tell me how many of the contributors to Spooks series 2 were born in London. Regards, Oli [1] http://www.freebase.com - A very cool structured database, currently handling 2.3 million instances of 870 'types' - Sent via the backstage.bbc.co.uk discussion group. To unsubscribe, please visit
RE: [backstage] Edinburgh TV Un-festival- 25th August
The TV festival runs from Friday PM (the MacTaggart lecture is traditionally on Friday night. This year its Jeremy Paxman). All day Saturday and until mid afternoon Sunday. As part of the Unfest you get tickets to the TV fest Saturday night bash/dinner and the traditional TV fest events on Sunday. Ian - does an unfest ticket entitle you to tickets to the mactaggart. it would be good if it does. thanks Jem -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] on behalf of Brian Butterworth Sent: Tue 7/10/2007 12:53 PM To: backstage@lists.bbc.co.uk Subject: Re: [backstage] Edinburgh TV Un-festival- 25th August I mean at the George Hotel on the Friday night... best networking event ever... ever... On 10/07/07, Brian Butterworth [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Ian, Will this include access to the late nights (drinks) at the TV Festival too? On 09/07/07, Ian Forrester [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hi All, I wanted to fill you all in on a event we've been working on behind the scenes. And this time its not in London ;) Here's the official blurb... This year the MGEITF has spawned its own fringe event, the Un-Festival. This day-long event which takes place on Saturday 25 August will centre around the clash of the well established TV world and the constantly accelerating Internet world using the unusual un-conference format, where the cost of entry is participation. The highlights from the Un-Festival will be presented at this special session, giving everyone a chance to speculate on the future of TV, online entertainment and cross platform narratives. Every year the international TV festival holds a few sessions on the future of online TV, etc. Every year it falls short of the mark. Well not this year because BBC Backstage is running the show. I'm getting together a real solid line up of people including people from Joost, Microsoft, BT, BBC, Google, etc. But I'm also inviting some of the people from the darker areas of online TV like the guys behind some of the cleverest p2p sites online today. Generally the mix should be quite amazing, but we're not done yet. Everyone who goes to the fringe un-festival will receive a free ticket into the main dinner on Saturday night and Free entry on Sunday all day. How's that for a deal? I'll be launching the sign up page for the event soon with lots more details but till then get your hotels booked. I hope to see you all there! Ian Forrester This e-mail is: [ ] private; [ x ] ask first; [ ] bloggable Senior Producer, BBC Backstage BC5 C3, Media Village, 201 Wood Lane, London W12 7TP e: [EMAIL PROTECTED] p: +44 (0)2080083965 - Sent via the backstage.bbc.co.uk discussion group. To unsubscribe, please visit http://backstage.bbc.co.uk/archives/2005/01/mailing_list.html. Unofficial list archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/backstage@lists.bbc.co.uk/ -- Please email me back if you need any more help. Brian Butterworth www.ukfree.tv -- Please email me back if you need any more help. Brian Butterworth www.ukfree.tv
[backstage] Tom and Matt - thanks
Dear all Before we all get too stuck into DRMagain. Can i just extend my thanks to Matt and Tom for the past weekend. I sat Matt yesterday. He was exhausted. He didn't even mind me teasing him about his appalling Djing. Ian was so tired he was watching Jekyll to relax. Hack Day was an incredible success (from all of the feedback I've now hoovered up) and these two (and many of their colleagues from Yahoo/BBC and Alexandra Palace) have been working on it for nearly six months. Above and beyond the call of duty. Well done sirs. I don't know how you pulled it off but you did. You deserve much kudos. And thanks to everyone who contributed to. I'll never forget on Saturday morning looking up to the roof of Alexandra Palace, hearing an abominable noise and genuinely thinking aliens were invading until my dying days. More feedback here: http://del.icio.us/jemstone66/hackday07/ Jem
RE: [backstage] www.FreeTheBBC.info
How about a letter supporting the efforts of the BBC to educate rights holders about the future of media? Is there any evidence that there _are_ any such efforts that we can support? Well backstage is quite a good place to start. Yesterday the Cabinet Officde published a paper; The Power of Information; that it commissioned from Tom Steinberg, founder and Director of mySociety, and Ed Mayo, Chief Executive of the National Consumer Council . (It's a brilliant analysis of how and where the government can work alongside user communities, create value by making its data and information available in different formats and using different pricing models and a framework for doing so). One of the recommendations is to Recommendation 4. To encourage innovation in the re-use of information by noncommercial users, UK trading funds should, in consultation with OPSI, examine the introduction of non-commercial re-use licences, along the lines of those pioneered by the BBC's Backstage project So you could argue that effectively the Cabinet Office has warmly received proposals to change the rights framework of its (considerable) public information and data because the BBC (and Google and others) has pioneered this approach. http://www.cabinetoffice.gov.uk/publications/reports/power_information/p ower_information.pdf More on this in yesterdays Guardian.. http://technology.guardian.co.uk/weekly/story/0,,2101807,00.html The economic analysis is simply not there to justify the current position and policy that we have, Mayo said last week. The report calls on trading funds to grant free licences along the lines of those pioneered by the BBC in its Backstage project. I'd also point to the pioneering work of my radio colleagues in negotiating with record companies, equity and others the framework so that for the past 6-7 years a rights position has existed that has allowed for (worldwide in most cases) on demand radio listening for 7 days for 90% of the BBC's music and speech output across 8 national radio networks... thanks Jem - Sent via the backstage.bbc.co.uk discussion group. To unsubscribe, please visit http://backstage.bbc.co.uk/archives/2005/01/mailing_list.html. Unofficial list archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/backstage@lists.bbc.co.uk/
RE: [backstage] www.FreeTheBBC.info
Ian Betteridge has critiqued the 5 claims made by http://www.freethebbc.info/ at http://www.technovia.co.uk/?p=1180 He concludes his post with Im against DRM - Im an associate member of the Free Software Foundation, avoid closed formats, and contribute every month to the Open Rights Group. I think that DRM is a bad idea, both for our culture as a whole and content creators in general. But making bogus arguments to an organisation which is in no position to offer most of what people think of as its content is simply a waste of effort. Jem -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] on behalf of Kim Plowright Sent: Wed 6/13/2007 11:00 AM To: backstage@lists.bbc.co.uk Subject: Re: [backstage] www.FreeTheBBC.info Also Walter Benjamin's 'The Work of Art in the Age of Mechanical Reproduction' http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Work_of_Art_in_the_Age_of_Mechanical_Reproduction http://www.marxists.org/reference/subject/philosophy/works/ge/benjamin.htm An analysis of art in the age of mechanical reproduction must do justice to these relationships, for they lead us to an all-important insight: for the first time in world history, mechanical reproduction emancipates the work of art from its parasitical dependence on ritual. To an ever greater degree the work of art reproduced becomes the work of art designed for reproducibility. From a photographic negative, for example, one can make any number of prints; to ask for the authentic print makes no sense. But the instant the criterion of authenticity ceases to be applicable to artistic production, the total function of art is reversed. Instead of being based on ritual, it begins to be based on another practice - politics. Written, incidentally, in 1936. Pwnd. Required reading: Free Culture: The Nature and Future of Creativity by Lawrence Lessig ISBN 0143034650 The Future of Ideas by Lawrence Lessig ISBN 0375726446 - Sent via the backstage.bbc.co.uk discussion group. To unsubscribe, please visit http://backstage.bbc.co.uk/archives/2005/01/mailing_list.html. Unofficial list archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/backstage@lists.bbc.co.uk/
RE: [backstage] www.FreeTheBBC.info
And whilst i'm at it. Martin Belam has also analysed the freebbc petition on currybet. http://www.currybet.net/cbet_blog/2007/06/free_the_bbc_drm_debate.php Hang on a minute. Didn't i make a plea yesterday not to resurrect this tired old debate. Sorry. Jem -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] on behalf of Jeremy Stone Sent: Wed 6/13/2007 11:53 AM To: backstage@lists.bbc.co.uk; backstage@lists.bbc.co.uk Subject: RE: [backstage] www.FreeTheBBC.info Ian Betteridge has critiqued the 5 claims made by http://www.freethebbc.info/ at http://www.technovia.co.uk/?p=1180 He concludes his post with I'm against DRM - I'm an associate member of the Free Software Foundation, avoid closed formats, and contribute every month to the Open Rights Group. I think that DRM is a bad idea, both for our culture as a whole and content creators in general. But making bogus arguments to an organisation which is in no position to offer most of what people think of as its content is simply a waste of effort. Jem -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] on behalf of Kim Plowright Sent: Wed 6/13/2007 11:00 AM To: backstage@lists.bbc.co.uk Subject: Re: [backstage] www.FreeTheBBC.info Also Walter Benjamin's 'The Work of Art in the Age of Mechanical Reproduction' http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Work_of_Art_in_the_Age_of_Mechanical_Reproduction http://www.marxists.org/reference/subject/philosophy/works/ge/benjamin.htm An analysis of art in the age of mechanical reproduction must do justice to these relationships, for they lead us to an all-important insight: for the first time in world history, mechanical reproduction emancipates the work of art from its parasitical dependence on ritual. To an ever greater degree the work of art reproduced becomes the work of art designed for reproducibility. From a photographic negative, for example, one can make any number of prints; to ask for the authentic print makes no sense. But the instant the criterion of authenticity ceases to be applicable to artistic production, the total function of art is reversed. Instead of being based on ritual, it begins to be based on another practice - politics. Written, incidentally, in 1936. Pwnd. Required reading: Free Culture: The Nature and Future of Creativity by Lawrence Lessig ISBN 0143034650 The Future of Ideas by Lawrence Lessig ISBN 0375726446 - Sent via the backstage.bbc.co.uk discussion group. To unsubscribe, please visit http://backstage.bbc.co.uk/archives/2005/01/mailing_list.html. Unofficial list archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/backstage@lists.bbc.co.uk/
RE: [backstage] This one's for Cridland... BBC A/V interface ideas
When i first started at the BBC, biscuits including posh shortbreads and bourbons were quite commonplace at meetings. Greg Dyke put a stop to all that. In White City, most of us get our biscuits from Tesco Metro on the corner. I did have a nice pizza slice after a meeting yesterday though. not sure we can stretch that to 45 minutes I'm afraid. Jem -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] on behalf of Michael Sparks Sent: Fri 5/25/2007 2:41 PM To: backstage@lists.bbc.co.uk Subject: Re: [backstage] This one's for Cridland... BBC A/V interface ideas On Friday 25 May 2007 14:16, Christopher Woods wrote: ... Ginger biscuits in the canteen? Yes please. Thanks. Michael - Sent via the backstage.bbc.co.uk discussion group. To unsubscribe, please visit http://backstage.bbc.co.uk/archives/2005/01/mailing_list.html. Unofficial list archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/backstage@lists.bbc.co.uk/ winmail.dat
RE: [backstage] The real backstage story?
For those of you haven't seen it; this is a timeline of the early (pre 2000) infrastructure history of bbc.co.uk In Jan 89 I registered with the DDN NIC and got a Class B address for the whole BBC on the pretext of linking all BBC sites into one network and then the Internet (but a dream then) it seemed a good idea rather than make up addresses as lots used to do). http://support.bbc.co.uk/support/history.html Written (I think) by Brandon Butterworth. -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Matthew Cashmore Sent: 23 April 2007 10:39 To: backstage@lists.bbc.co.uk Subject: Re: [backstage] The real backstage story? I think this would make a very interesting series of podcasts... Looking at the technical history of bbc.co.uk and how it developed and launched - and how it's evolved, and finally how it's moving forward. Of course we'd have to have an episode demonstrating how much tape, elastic bands and sheer will of God holds the whole thing together. m On 22/4/07 13:42, Lamptey, Derryck [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: RoR, spring, hibernate Dotnet, java, php, etc, etc. What is the real backstage story? I'd find it very informative for someone to give us non-BBC-backstagers (without violating what's left of the official secrets act) some sort of overview of how the (impressive) Beeb backstage infrastructure is put together. It would be interesting to hear in (episode 1) when it started, and what backstage technologies were used (episode 2) current infrastructure in the context of lessons learned, (episode x) future directions? I think that this would make a riveting series - the program director for click online might even get stuck in on this one! ...Lots of opportunities for us backstagers to engage in constructive and thought-provoking discussion... I am a newbie to the list, I hope that this is not a RTFM type of question!! Thx. Derryck (sent from RIM handheld) -- Derryck Lamptey, IT Specialist Infrastructure Technology Solutions TD Bank Financial Group Addr: Scarborough Operations Centre 740 Progress Ave, 3rd Floor Scarborough, ON, M1H 2X3 Desk: (416) 307 0124 Mobile: (416) 318 9701 Fax: (416) 982 4512 Email: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Group: [EMAIL PROTECTED] NOTICE OF CONFIDENTIALITYThis communication including any information transmitted with it is intended only for the use of the addressees and is confidential. If you are not an intended recipient or responsible for delivering the message to an intended recipient, any review, disclosure, conversion to hard copy, dissemination, reproduction or other use of any part of this communication is strictly prohibited, as is the taking or omitting of any action in reliance upon this communication. If you receive this communication in error or without authorization please notify us immediately by return e-mail or otherwise and permanently delete the entire communication from any computer, disk drive, or other storage medium. If the above disclaimer is not properly readable, it can be found at www.td.com/legal AVERTISSEMENT DE CONFIDENTIALITE Ce courriel, ainsi que tout renseignement ci-inclus, destiné uniquement aux destinataires susmentionnés, est confidentiel. Si vous nêtes pas le destinataire prévu ou un agent responsable de la livraison de ce courriel, tout examen, divulgation, copie, impression, reproduction, distribution, ou autre utilisation dune partie de ce courriel est strictement interdit de même que toute intervention ou abstraction à cet égard. Si vous avez reçu ce message par erreur ou sans autorisation, veuillez en aviser immédiatement lexpéditeur par retour de courriel ou par un autre moyen et supprimer immédiatement cette communication entière de tout système électronique. Si l'avis de non-responsabilité ci-dessus n'est pas lisible, vous pouvez le consulter à www.td.com/francais/legale - Sent via the backstage.bbc.co.uk discussion group. To unsubscribe, please visit http://backstage.bbc.co.uk/archives/2005/01/mailing_list.html. Unofficial list archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/backstage@lists.bbc.co.uk/ ___ Matthew Cashmore Development Producer BBC Future Media Technology, Research and Innovation BC4B5, Broadcast Centre, Media Village, W12 7TP T:020 8008 3959(02 83959) M:07711 913241(072 83959) - Sent via the backstage.bbc.co.uk discussion group. To unsubscribe, please visit http://backstage.bbc.co.uk/archives/2005/01/mailing_list.html. Unofficial list archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/backstage@lists.bbc.co.uk/ - Sent via the backstage.bbc.co.uk discussion group. To unsubscribe, please visit http://backstage.bbc.co.uk/archives/2005/01/mailing_list.html. Unofficial list archive:
RE: [backstage] EMI 'in no DRM deal'
The DRM free songs are going to be more expensive I notice $1.29 a song as opposed to 99c. http://www.apple.com/pr/library/2007/04/02itunes.html -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Andy Sent: 02 April 2007 14:27 To: backstage@lists.bbc.co.uk Subject: Re: [backstage] EMI 'in no DRM deal' On 02/04/07, Brian Butterworth [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Just to keep Auntie on her toes, another company that is a TLA has decided to not bother with wasteful DRM: http://media.guardian.co.uk/newmedia/story/0,,2048195,00.html?gusrc=rs sfeed =4 Or the BBC article on the matter (which doesn't require registration): http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/technology/6516189.stm And I nearly forgot what TLA meant! How stupid of me. Not sure I trust Steve Jobs when he said: The right thing to do is to tear down walls that precluded interoperability by going DRM-free and that starts here today. (from the BBC article linked above) Was he not the guy who put up the walls to start with? Nice to see some record companies considering this kind of thing. I hope it will be available without iTunes. Apparently the files will be higher quality, doubt it will be lossless though. Pity really, but then it would cost them more to shift the files, bandwidth ain't free (unless you use P2P then it's someone else's bandwidth being used). Can't remember who's on EMI though. Hopefully this could be a snowball effect? Maybe EMI might be realizing that one all powerful content distributer isn't good for them either? Oh well enough of my idle speculation. Official press release: http://www.emigroup.com/Press/2007/press18.htm Andy -- First they ignore you then they laugh at you then they fight you then you win. - Mohandas Gandhi - Sent via the backstage.bbc.co.uk discussion group. To unsubscribe, please visit http://backstage.bbc.co.uk/archives/2005/01/mailing_list.html. Unofficial list archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/backstage@lists.bbc.co.uk/ - Sent via the backstage.bbc.co.uk discussion group. To unsubscribe, please visit http://backstage.bbc.co.uk/archives/2005/01/mailing_list.html. Unofficial list archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/backstage@lists.bbc.co.uk/
RE: [backstage] EMI 'in no DRM deal'
Just to keep Auntie on her toes, another company has decided to not bother with wasteful DRM: Video content has developed pretty differently from music ... I wouldn't hold the two in parallel right now, [Steve Jobs] said. http://media.guardian.co.uk/newmedia/story/0,,2048507,00.html - Sent via the backstage.bbc.co.uk discussion group. To unsubscribe, please visit http://backstage.bbc.co.uk/archives/2005/01/mailing_list.html. Unofficial list archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/backstage@lists.bbc.co.uk/
RE: [backstage] Browser Stats
Martin (who might be on here later) put this article together which could also be of interest. http://www.currybet.net/articles/user_agents/index.php before I knew it I was involved in a lengthy statistical analysis of the browsers and operating systems that request the BBC homepage at http://www.bbc.co.uk.; It's a year or so old now but has the usual excellent insight/analysis from MB. 0.4% of users at the time used a Linux operating system ;) Jem -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of gareth rushgrove Sent: 26 March 2007 14:06 To: backstage@lists.bbc.co.uk Subject: Re: [backstage] Browser Stats Thanks Kim These are fab. Would be great if the BBC had somewhere where it published this information on a regular basis? While we're on the subject of browser testing, is anyone else using Yahoo's Graded Browser Support method? G On 26/03/07, Kim Plowright [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Just for fun: the february data reworked to show the different flavours of IE at their appropriate % point. There's not much difference between Safari (all versions) and IE5.5 share. Again, I can't break out the different flavours of FF and Safari. Bear in mind this is % of PIs, not of users, so heavy consumption would skew these shares, and I'm willing to bet that FF users eat more internets than IE 6 / 7 users, on average. Browser % share of PIs IE 6.0 48.29 IE 7.0 25.15 Mozilla-Firefox 11.59 Unidentified5.17 Safari 2.87 IE 5.5 2.55 Cable 1.5 Netscape0.95 IE 5.0 0.50 Opera 0.37 IE 4.0 0.29 Pocket_PC 0.28 KDDI-EZweb 0.28 IE 5.2 0.08 IE 5.1 0.05 AOL 0.05 Lynx0.02 IE 3.0 0.01 - Sent via the backstage.bbc.co.uk discussion group. To unsubscribe, please visit http://backstage.bbc.co.uk/archives/2005/01/mailing_list.html. Unofficial list archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/backstage@lists.bbc.co.uk/ -- Gareth Rushgrove morethanseven.net webdesignbookshelf.com refreshnewcastle.org frontendarchitecture.com - Sent via the backstage.bbc.co.uk discussion group. To unsubscribe, please visit http://backstage.bbc.co.uk/archives/2005/01/mailing_list.html. Unofficial list archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/backstage@lists.bbc.co.uk/ - Sent via the backstage.bbc.co.uk discussion group. To unsubscribe, please visit http://backstage.bbc.co.uk/archives/2005/01/mailing_list.html. Unofficial list archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/backstage@lists.bbc.co.uk/
RE: WEB API (was Re: [backstage] Noise and Signal)
Andy What a great idea. This immediately made me think of NPR who have a simple books page which aggregates their talk shows, highlighting all book related audio reviews, readings, interviews from across a vareity of sources in the preceding week/month (and has tie-ups with amazon) http://www.npr.org/templates/topics/topic.php?topicId=1032 I was pointed to that by this blog post http://deboramasweblog.blogspot.com/2007/03/deboramas-www-number-14-radi o-wrap-up.html Which rather takes the BBC to task although it does cite backstage when it admits their attempts at involving the public are laudable and sometimes innovative. Anyway I'm sure Tristan (or his audio/music colleagues) will be on later to talk about some of your mark up queries. Thanks Jem -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Andy Leighton Sent: 06 March 2007 21:26 To: backstage@lists.bbc.co.uk Subject: WEB API (was Re: [backstage] Noise and Signal) On Tue, Mar 06, 2007 at 07:14:58PM -, Ian Forrester wrote: So I would like to remind people that the Backstage list is still a good place to talk shop about the industry, trends, the bbc and technologies. But were also a place for development and trying out some of the things discussed. Fair enough I've got some issues that could be kicked around a bit I'm currently messing about trying to do a simple web page that produces a list of books (actually all linked through to LibraryThing) featured on Book At Bedtime, Book Of The Week, Book Talk, and A Good Read. There is no semantic markup on the first three to identify the title of the book, although for Book At Bedtime the title is often the first sentence of the synopsis. For A Good Read there is nothing in the synopsis at all listing the books covered in that programme. There is a list of past (inc. the current programme) books chosen on the A Good Read micro-site - but again without any sort of markup. Would it be too difficult for someone to use something like span class=booktitleThe Rider/span by span class=authorTim Krabbe/span I could try and scrape what is there at the moment, I suppose, but it doesn't include the next programme, and is bound to have me tearing my hair out. Is there any easier way to get at this data? I know that some (many? all?) of the Radio 4 micro-sites are being rewritten. Hopefully they will follow the lead of the main bbc.co.uk homepage in having clean html which doesn't use tables for layout, but can I also beg for more semantic style markup by using class names? It would also be nice if I could somehow get at the data by using the Web API as well. -- Andy Leighton = [EMAIL PROTECTED] The Lord is my shepherd, but we still lost the sheep dog trials - Robert Rankin, _They Came And Ate Us_ - Sent via the backstage.bbc.co.uk discussion group. To unsubscribe, please visit http://backstage.bbc.co.uk/archives/2005/01/mailing_list.html. Unofficial list archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/backstage@lists.bbc.co.uk/ - Sent via the backstage.bbc.co.uk discussion group. To unsubscribe, please visit http://backstage.bbc.co.uk/archives/2005/01/mailing_list.html. Unofficial list archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/backstage@lists.bbc.co.uk/
[backstage] More news archive prototypes
Matthew Somerville has done some more fantastic tweaks and pokes with the BBC News headline/front page archive that he's been running for quite a while now. There's a selection of tag clouds weighted by use of keywords in the story, the headline and just the main headline. Its for Feb 07. http://www.dracos.co.uk/work/bbc-news-archive/tardis/tag-cloud/?t=main-t ime Plotting how a story develops over time. http://www.dracos.co.uk/work/bbc-news-archive/tardis/story/?id=4771586 Showing how categories are represented amongst the lead stories on BBC News (UK politics, world, World - middle east etc) http://www.dracos.co.uk/work/bbc-news-archive/tardis/category/?t=all An image timeline, headline search, story timelines, and other goodies are all hosted here: http://www.dracos.co.uk/work/bbc-news-archive/tardis/ Matthew's original piece of work was documenting how the front page of BBC News changes minute by minute http://baked.haddock.org/~matthew/bbcnews/ I know tag clouds are old hat these days ;) but actually i think they work really well in visualising the BBC News agenda for a limited period as well as conveying Feb's news at a glance (bird, flu, iraq, police basically) but we're keen on any feedback for the other bits and bobs I'm sure Matthew will be on to describe this later and he'll be able to share with you what timeline tools he's co-opted so i'll keep this brief. thanks Jem
RE: [backstage] Traffic Info
Also the vecosys post also refers to this UK start up that is using UK traffic data and Microsoft's Virtual Earth. http://www.dotnetsolutions.ltd.uk/evidence/web20/trafficeye/ A Microsoft Live! Local Web 2.0 Mash-up that combines real time traffic information with a rich, interactive map allowing a helicopter view of all serious traffic incidents in the UK. Jem From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of vijay chopra Sent: 01 March 2007 11:39 To: backstage@lists.bbc.co.uk Subject: Re: [backstage] Traffic Info On 01/03/07, Jason Cartwright [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: http://www.vecosys.com/2007/03/01/google-adds-traffic-flow-reports-but-t here-is-a-better-way/ Google Maps adds a traffic info layer. Looks rather good, but it's US only at the moment. Example: http://maps.google.com/maps?layer=tz=10ll=41.883876,-87.632446 J Here's an unofficial UK version: http://www.gtraffic.info/ that does something similar Vijay
RE: [backstage] Percentage of License fee going towards DRM?
The cost of the BBC's On Demand proposals (including the iPlayer) are in the public domain anyway as part of our (BBC's) submission to the BBC Trust and the the resulting Public Value Assessment document. Its worth a look. In section 8 The proposals will cost the BBC an additional £131m over the five-year period 2006/7- 2011/12. http://www.bbc.co.uk/bbctrust/assets/files/pdf/review_report_research/pvt_iplayer/ondemandpva.pdf http://www.bbc.co.uk/bbctrust/assets/files/pdf/review_report_research/pvt_iplayer/ondemandpva.pdf thanks Jem From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Neil Aberdeen Sent: 27 February 2007 13:41 To: backstage@lists.bbc.co.uk Subject: Re: [backstage] Percentage of License fee going towards DRM? I would like to I would like to know what percentage of my license fee will go towards funding of Seb Potter's employment - so that I can withhold that amount from my payment, or seek a refund of that amount back from the BBC. ;-) Seb Potter wrote: On 27/02/07, Jim Gardner [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I would like to know what percentage of my license fee will go towards funding the proposed iPlayer services which are only to be made available to people stupid enough to be using Windows - so that I can withhold that amount from my payment, or seek a refund of that amount back from the BBC. If anyone knows a reliable way of working out this figure, please discuss. This is just my personal opinion, and not that of my employer. Are you a BT customer? If so, you could try to demand a refund of the part of your line rental that goes towards providing phone boxes for those people that don't own a mobile, or towards provision of telephone services in rural areas for those that don't live in a city. Pay council tax? Why not ask for a refund for provision of social services to those people that require social services. Pay income tax? All those people that don't have jobs or need medical care or use any of the thousands of public services that you don't. You could cut your payments down to only those services you use. If you're actually interested in protesting in a productive manner, you could join the public consultation and raise the issue of platform independence: http://www.bbc.co.uk/bbctrust/consult/open_consultations/ondemand_services.html.
RE: [backstage] Percentage of License fee going towards DRM?
Dear all Can I remind everyone that this is a public mailing list that is archived and searchable. Please keep civil to everyone. Yes even the ones that that harp on about DRM noon and night ;) Thanks Jem -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Jim Gardner Sent: 27 February 2007 13:52 To: backstage@lists.bbc.co.uk Subject: Re: [backstage] Percentage of License fee going towards DRM? It would appear from this and other mails I've received that I have the same name as someone who has a track record for trolling. I can assure everyone on the list that this is the first thread this James Gardner has started or replied to on the backstage mailing list, and given the less than wide vocabulary of some, it will be the last. Well done everyone. On 27 Feb 2007, at 13:26, James Ockenden wrote: I would like to know what percentage of my license fee will go towards funding the proposed iPlayer services which are only to be made available to people stupid enough to be using Windows - so that I can withhold that amount from my payment, or seek a refund of that amount back from the BBC. says a guy who is using the excellent ( in fact with Google Docs, above- and beyond- excellent) FREE, gmail service. pay for your email service, you fucking tightwad, and you might have a vaguely moral place from which to make your tiny cock point. Jim Gardner is a nitpicking troll. I always read his posts in a Terry Wogan reading outraged-from-Picky-on-Twee on Points of View voice. Mr Forrester, do the decent thing and ban him from this list, it discolours the whole lovely mood of the place. On 27/02/07, Jim Gardner [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I would like to know what percentage of my license fee will go towards funding the proposed iPlayer services which are only to be made available to people stupid enough to be using Windows - so that I can withhold that amount from my payment, or seek a refund of that amount back from the BBC. If anyone knows a reliable way of working out this figure, please discuss. - Sent via the backstage.bbc.co.uk discussion group. To unsubscribe, please visit http://backstage.bbc.co.uk/archives/ 2005/01/mailing_list.html. Unofficial list archive: http:// www.mail-archive.com/backstage@lists.bbc.co.uk/ - Sent via the backstage.bbc.co.uk discussion group. To unsubscribe, please visit http://backstage.bbc.co.uk/archives/2005/01/ mailing_list.html. Unofficial list archive: http://www.mail- archive.com/backstage@lists.bbc.co.uk/ - Sent via the backstage.bbc.co.uk discussion group. To unsubscribe, please visit http://backstage.bbc.co.uk/archives/2005/01/mailing_list.html. Unofficial list archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/backstage@lists.bbc.co.uk/ - Sent via the backstage.bbc.co.uk discussion group. To unsubscribe, please visit http://backstage.bbc.co.uk/archives/2005/01/mailing_list.html. Unofficial list archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/backstage@lists.bbc.co.uk/
RE: [backstage] Percentage of License fee going towards DRM?
Yes even the ones that that harp on about DRM noon and night ;) Actually the DRM discussions in recent weeks have been incredibly stimulating and provocative and much appreciated inside BBC towers and I hope for other subscribers. (I always knew I shouldn't try and make weak jokes on mailing lists ;) Jem - Sent via the backstage.bbc.co.uk discussion group. To unsubscribe, please visit http://backstage.bbc.co.uk/archives/2005/01/mailing_list.html. Unofficial list archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/backstage@lists.bbc.co.uk/
[backstage] RE: [backstage] RE: [backstage] RE: [backs tage] £1.2 billion question (or RE: [backsta ge] BBC Bias??? Click and Torrents)
]Those watching the DRM debate will be interested to see the latest music industry developments which will presumably set the precedent for download video bus models. Last week's Music Week (the weekly UK music industry trade paper) led with the headline reporting from Midem (the annual industry trade fest) - Times up for DRM reporting on (some of) the industry's frustration with its restrictions predicting that one major label would break free shortly and go DRM free. http://www.flickr.com/photos/jemstone/376309108/ However, bear in mind that this is still a fringe view. However quite a growing fringe, according to MW. Paid content has a report of the debate. http://www.paidcontent.org/entry/midemnet-mpaa-riaa-cea-execs-clash-over-drm-hardware-controls/
[backstage] BBC Trust reaches Provisional Conclusions on BBC on-demand proposals
For those following the DRM/Player thread on this list will want to know that the BBC Trust this morning reached provisional conclusions on BBC on-demand proposals. http://www.bbc.co.uk/bbctrust/news/press-releases/31-01-2007.html The headline is that Our (BBC Trust) view is that the BBC's new on-demand services are likely to deliver significant public value, and should be allowed to proceed, but subject to certain conditions in order to reduce the potential negative market impact. The conditions (length of window, series stacking, platform availability) are outlined in the press release. There now follows a consultation period and the Trust is actively inviting feedback from the public, the commercial sector and the BBC management team on our provisional conclusions. It is an open consultation, with access to the supporting evidence we have considered in reaching our judgement. We look forward to receiving and considering all responses in coming to a final decision before 2 May 2007. http://www.bbc.co.uk/bbctrust/consult/open-consultations/ondemand_servic es.html My colleagues will be responding officially later today so look out for further announcements/responses around this. Jem The Guardian also have a story BBC iPlayer gets go ahead. http://media.guardian.co.uk/broadcast/story/0,,2002773,00.html - Sent via the backstage.bbc.co.uk discussion group. To unsubscribe, please visit http://backstage.bbc.co.uk/archives/2005/01/mailing_list.html. Unofficial list archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/backstage@lists.bbc.co.uk/
[backstage] Use of audio/video formats on BBC News
Kevin Hinde, my News colleague and a fellow poster to this list has just written a number of answers to common queries about our use of audio/video on bbc.co.uk over at the BBC Editors' blog specifically Why don't you use Flash ? And that old chestnut... Why don't you use open standards ? http://www.bbc.co.uk/blogs/theeditors/2007/01/in_response_to_site_change s.html (apologies to Kevin for opening up this can of worms on the list ;)) Btw: thanks for the feedback already (Brian!) about Kevin's post from yesterday on Media RSS extensions. Any more for any more ? http://www.mail-archive.com/backstage@lists.bbc.co.uk/msg02936.html Thanks Jem - Sent via the backstage.bbc.co.uk discussion group. To unsubscribe, please visit http://backstage.bbc.co.uk/archives/2005/01/mailing_list.html. Unofficial list archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/backstage@lists.bbc.co.uk/
RE: [backstage] crappy have your say forum
It's impossible to have a conversation. There are just 5 gazillion posts all at the same level. For the BBC licence fee debate a conversation is necessary. And no one else can really facilitate that discussion (or wants to). Apparently the BBC doesn't either. Nic There are numerous discussions about the licence fee and other issues relating the BBC's purpose, activities, and funding on the BBC Points of view message board. http://www.bbc.co.uk/dna/mbpointsofview/F1951574 There is also a bbc.co.uk section which at the moment has threads about youtube, bbc message boards, big brother and the censorship of the have your say section of BBC news. http://www.bbc.co.uk/dna/mbpointsofview/F2131439 There are frequent contributions from BBC hosts. thanks Jem Stone
RE: [backstage] Jimbo Wales is in town.
Gordo Jimbo was there. I didn't speak to him Whilst he was in the UK he did speak to Simon Mayo on Five Live. It's a long interview. 25 mins... Mayo discusses how his children edited his entry. There's a transcript/write up here http://philbradley.typepad.com/phil_bradleys_weblog/2007/01/jimmy_wales_ int.html The interview is archived... http://www.bbc.co.uk/radio/aod/fivelive_aod.shtml?fivelive/wikipedia Thanks Jem - Sent via the backstage.bbc.co.uk discussion group. To unsubscribe, please visit http://backstage.bbc.co.uk/archives/2005/01/mailing_list.html. Unofficial list archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/backstage@lists.bbc.co.uk/
RE: [backstage] Daq Syndication Update
Haven't played it myself but Yahoo and O Reilly have had this out for a couple of years now. The Tech Buzz Game is a fantasy prediction market for high-tech products, concepts, and trends Put your (fantasy) money where your mouth is by buying stock in the technologies you believe will be popular and selling stock in the technologies you think will flop. Its all based on search terms... http://buzz.research.yahoo.com/dm/info/about.html Has anyone actually played it. I signed up once but it looked a bit abstract and didn't end up playing. A tech people one but I bet there is a blogbuzz type thing already. Jem -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Ian Forrester Sent: 18 December 2006 14:37 To: backstage@lists.bbc.co.uk Subject: [backstage] Daq Syndication Update Hi All, Matt Chadburn from Celebdaq just wrote a entry for us summing up the remix activity going on in the Daq data space. http://backstage.bbc.co.uk/news/archives/2006/12/daq_syndication.html It got me thinking... Why not a New Media Daq? Maybe based on Search Engine rankings or something? You could imagine Sam Sethi would have been worth quite a bit recently, while Loic's value would have dropped recently. Come on you know it would be fun :) Ian Forrester || backstage.bbc.co.uk || x83965 - Sent via the backstage.bbc.co.uk discussion group. To unsubscribe, please visit http://backstage.bbc.co.uk/archives/2005/01/mailing_list.html. Unofficial list archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/backstage@lists.bbc.co.uk/ - Sent via the backstage.bbc.co.uk discussion group. To unsubscribe, please visit http://backstage.bbc.co.uk/archives/2005/01/mailing_list.html. Unofficial list archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/backstage@lists.bbc.co.uk/
RE: [backstage] Newssniffer - BBC News site monitoring
Steve Hermann (who is the Editor of BBC News Interactive) has just blogged this response to the Newssniffer app. http://www.bbc.co.uk/blogs/theeditors/2006/10/sniffing_out_edits.html He goes into a fair bit of detail outlining the revision/iterative changes to BBC News stories that the NewsSniffer app illustrates, explaining how News works and concludes: If sites like this can help show more of the journalistic process and make it more transparent that is no bad thing. Newssniffer is here: http://newssniffer.newworldodour.co.uk/ We've also just spotted this: How in touch is the BBC ? A neat app from Chris Riley showing How in touch the BBC News editorial team are with the general public using a simple percentage figure (see below), determined by comparing the top 10 headlines on the BBC News front page with the 10 most popular (most read) stories on the BBC News web site. http://backstage.bbc.co.uk/prototypes/archives/2006/10/how_in_touch_is.h tml It's the best use of the most popular feeds (and some good visual representation) offered by News we've seen so far. Thanks Chris. I think Chris will be on later to talk about how and why he put it together. Jem - Sent via the backstage.bbc.co.uk discussion group. To unsubscribe, please visit http://backstage.bbc.co.uk/archives/2005/01/mailing_list.html. Unofficial list archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/backstage@lists.bbc.co.uk/
RE: [backstage] The Time When - new feeds!
Hi Davy One of the first things that Matthew and Ian will be looking after in the first week or so is clearing the backlog of submitted prototypes and ideas. Anyway. Thanks Davy for this... For everyone else It's a really quick and neat use of the feeds for The Time When API (share stories of memorable days in your life) http://www.thetimewhen.co.uk/ Merged with Davy's excellent mood news prototype. For more information about the Time When feeds... http://www.gyford.com/phil/writing/2006/07/17/the_time_when.php Jem -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Davy Mitchell Sent: 04 October 2006 13:15 To: backstage@lists.bbc.co.uk Subject: Re: [backstage] The Time When - new feeds! Good to see Mathew and Ian taking up their posts :-) On 9/2/06, Davy Mitchell [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: http://www.latedecember.com/sites/moodnews/memories.html I submitted this prototype to the website. Is it just stuck in the Q or lost in the recent crash? Cheers Davy Mitchell Mood News - BBC News Headlines Auto-Classified as Good, Bad or Neutral. http://www.latedecember.com/sites/moodnews/ - Sent via the backstage.bbc.co.uk discussion group. To unsubscribe, please visit http://backstage.bbc.co.uk/archives/2005/01/mailing_list.html. Unofficial list archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/backstage@lists.bbc.co.uk/ - Sent via the backstage.bbc.co.uk discussion group. To unsubscribe, please visit http://backstage.bbc.co.uk/archives/2005/01/mailing_list.html. Unofficial list archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/backstage@lists.bbc.co.uk/
RE: [backstage] Flickr releases Geotagging for photos
- but what they have cracked though is making it really easy to use/well integrated into the service.. (the video tutorial, adding the tab in organise, adding the word map at the bottom of photos next to comments, views etc if you've tagged it. I started doing it without even thinking. - the map, you're right isn't detailed but the search works pretty well for even v.small UK place names (admittedly I've just tried it on Isfield (a tiny village in sussex) and Chailey (likewise) but it recognised both straightaway.(photos of old trains if you're interested) - I also like the way it has a circle saying lots (london, brighton in the UK at the moment) - the latest figure for tagged photos is 845K. User created metadata. Fascinated to see how much of a take up of this there is. Also how much is just noise ? (gaming, wrong place, confusions and so on). Jem -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Kim Plowright Sent: 29 August 2006 16:46 To: backstage@lists.bbc.co.uk Subject: RE: [backstage] Flickr releases Geotagging for photos Yes - It's surprisingly patchy, the different coverages isn't it? I just tried to place some photos I took in West Africa... Has anyone ever tried plotting the various map services on top of each other, to augment the lowfi sectors of each? Mind you, I'm sure it would be completely against the TOS. (Its making Firefox a bit unhappy too - 99,852K of memory in use at the mo... Also, it seems to place the points 20 pixels to the left of where I want them. Gah!) -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of David Chadderton Sent: 29 August 2006 12:41 To: backstage@lists.bbc.co.uk Subject: Re: [backstage] Flickr releases Geotagging for photos On 29 Aug 2006, at 10:54, Ian Forrester wrote: I have played with it and got to say its pretty neat! but the Yahoo maps data for England is not as good as Google. Either way, I've added some points to London already Some data is much better. I found it impossible to plan my trip to a major capital city on Google Earth from the green blob claiming to be Edinburgh, but adding geotagging on Flickr last night using the Yahoo! data, I could almost read the signs on the buildings. David - Sent via the backstage.bbc.co.uk discussion group. To unsubscribe, please visit http://backstage.bbc.co.uk/archives/2005/01/mailing_list.html. Unofficial list archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/backstage@lists.bbc.co.uk/ - Sent via the backstage.bbc.co.uk discussion group. To unsubscribe, please visit http://backstage.bbc.co.uk/archives/2005/01/mailing_list.html. Unofficial list archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/backstage@lists.bbc.co.uk/ - Sent via the backstage.bbc.co.uk discussion group. To unsubscribe, please visit http://backstage.bbc.co.uk/archives/2005/01/mailing_list.html. Unofficial list archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/backstage@lists.bbc.co.uk/
[backstage] *new* Backstage supremo
Dear all Obviously its already been blogged but I'd just like to let the list know that Backstage finally has a new Senior Producer. We're ummed and aahed for what seemed like forever but I'm now delighted that veteran of the list, Mr Geek Dinner and UK Barcamp co-organiser: Ian Forrester has taken up our offer to run the project. http://www.cubicgarden.com/blojsom/blog/cubicgarden/ He's not due to start for a few weeks but as he blogged this morning is really looking forward to knocking it into shape: I already have plans in my head for increasing the profile of backstage and of course providing more public feeds and apis. There's also lots of areas where backstage could go which hasn't been visited yet. So don't worry folks I'm on the case with fresh thoughts and enthusiasm like you've never seen before. http://www.cubicgarden.com/blojsom/blog/cubicgarden/socialsoftware/offli ne/2006/08/23/Senior-Producer-at-backstage-bbc-co-uk.html There's a lot more the BBC could and should be doing with Backstage and I hope you'd join me in wishing Ian good luck in joining the team. He's exactly the right fella for the role. Thanks for your patience whilst we've been sorting this out. Btw: If you're going you'll be able to say hi to Ian and Backstage (well some BBC staffers and t shirts) at British Barcamp - http://barcamp.org/BarCampLondon And D Construct - http://2006.dconstruct.org/ Thanks Jem - Sent via the backstage.bbc.co.uk discussion group. To unsubscribe, please visit http://backstage.bbc.co.uk/archives/2005/01/mailing_list.html. Unofficial list archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/backstage@lists.bbc.co.uk/
RE: [backstage] RE: Reboot winners: 30 June 2006
Dear all suitably poked We'll be announcing the winners/runners up on the site this Wednesday. Apologies for the delay. http://open.bbc.co.uk/reboot/blog/2006/07/reboot_judging_and_sorry_for_t .html Thanks Jem -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Kim Plowright Sent: 03 July 2006 10:42 To: Jonathan Chetwynd; backstage@lists.bbc.co.uk Subject: [backstage] RE: Reboot winners: 30 June 2006 I'll give the relevant people a poke for you. And please accept my general appologies on behalf of Auntie. K -Original Message- From: Jonathan Chetwynd [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: 02 July 2006 14:52 To: backstage@lists.bbc.co.uk Cc: Kim Plowright Subject: Reboot winners: 30 June 2006 Without Prejudice :-) I'm an entrant and having worked hard, still hope to win! Could some kind individual working for the BBC please investigate and provide some further information? Kim perhaps? The winners of the Reboot competition have not been published. It's not currently clear whether in fact the judges have been appointed, or made their selection. the forum:http://www.bbc.co.uk/dna/mbpointsofview/F4170826 blog: http://open.bbc.co.uk/reboot/blog/ and homepage: http://open.bbc.co.uk/reboot/ have not been updated since Ben Metcalfe left the BBC on the 9th June. There are some particularly anxious folk leaving messages on the forum. I appreciate this is a time of transition and that delays are possible. cheers Jonathan Chetwynd edited extract: http://open.bbc.co.uk/reboot/s/terms/ The winners will be decided on or before 30 June 2006. Winners will be informed by e-mail. Entrants must supply full details as required and comply with all rules to be eligible for the prizes. Prizes unclaimed after 28 days will be deemed to have been forfeited and the BBC reserves the right either to offer the prize to the entrant whose name is next drawn at random, or to re-offer the prize in any future competition on the BBC. http://www.bbc.co.uk/ This e-mail (and any attachments) is confidential and may contain personal views which are not the views of the BBC unless specifically stated. If you have received it in error, please delete it from your system. Do not use, copy or disclose the information in any way nor act in reliance on it and notify the sender immediately. Please note that the BBC monitors e-mails sent or received. Further communication will signify your consent to this. - Sent via the backstage.bbc.co.uk discussion group. To unsubscribe, please visit http://backstage.bbc.co.uk/archives/2005/01/mailing_list.html. Unofficial list archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/backstage@lists.bbc.co.uk/ http://www.bbc.co.uk/ This e-mail (and any attachments) is confidential and may contain personal views which are not the views of the BBC unless specifically stated. If you have received it in error, please delete it from your system. Do not use, copy or disclose the information in any way nor act in reliance on it and notify the sender immediately. Please note that the BBC monitors e-mails sent or received. Further communication will signify your consent to this. - Sent via the backstage.bbc.co.uk discussion group. To unsubscribe, please visit http://backstage.bbc.co.uk/archives/2005/01/mailing_list.html. Unofficial list archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/backstage@lists.bbc.co.uk/
RE: [backstage] Publishing TV listings? BDS are after you...
Dear all Thanks for your emails alerting to this issue both on list and off list. I'm doing some digging behind the scenes and will get back to the list asap clarifying the issues raised. Hopefully later this afternoon. Thanks Jem, backstage.bbc.co.uk -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Tim Cowlishaw Sent: 23 June 2006 12:47 To: backstage@lists.bbc.co.uk Subject: Re: [backstage] Publishing TV listings? BDS are after you... On 6/23/06, Adam Leach [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: This is another point of data collected and gathered using tax/license fee payers money, yet we can't access it without paying substantial fees. I should point out here that BDS are not funded by the license fee, they are a private company, so this may not be true. cheers, Tim - Sent via the backstage.bbc.co.uk discussion group. To unsubscribe, please visit http://backstage.bbc.co.uk/archives/2005/01/mailing_list.html. Unofficial list archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/backstage@lists.bbc.co.uk/ - Sent via the backstage.bbc.co.uk discussion group. To unsubscribe, please visit http://backstage.bbc.co.uk/archives/2005/01/mailing_list.html. Unofficial list archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/backstage@lists.bbc.co.uk/
RE: [backstage] Publishing TV listings? BDS are after you...
Dear all Ok. The BDS and TV listings email. Nothing to worry about. BDS/Red Bee are one of the BBC's many suppliers and they are required from time to time to chase publishers for copyright royalties on behalf of the BBC and ITV. When doing so though, they are sometimes unaware of all of the circumstances surrounding how that data is being used or published. Apologies. So just to make absolutely clear. The BBC will continue to make our listings available for free (as part of the TV Anytime feed) and we are keen for developers as part of the remit of backstage to continue to be able to create and be innovative with the usage of that data. That's why we ran a competition last summer for redesigning TV listings data and that's why our RD team recently released this API: http://www0.rdthdo.bbc.co.uk/services/api/index.html (more on this at Chris Bowley's blog: http://fridayforward.com/2006/05/bbc-content-api.html) That said it is made available only as part of the backstage licence http://backstage.bbc.co.uk/archives/2005/01/terms_of_use.html It does have to be for non-commercial usage. And obviously it only refers to BBC TV and radio data and not other broadcasters. So you are free to continue to use this data in this way and hopefully demonstrate many more ideas such as this. http://www.daden.co.uk/consulting/pages/000296.html Wi Fi rabbits reading out BBC TV listings. Brilliant. (thanks to Daden/Dave Burden.) And Mario's excellent now/next modules which he circulated to the list yesterday... http://bbcmodules.menti.net/ cheers Jem Stone, backstage.bbc.co.uk -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Jeremy Stone Sent: 23 June 2006 13:07 To: backstage@lists.bbc.co.uk Subject: RE: [backstage] Publishing TV listings? BDS are after you... Dear all Thanks for your emails alerting to this issue both on list and off list. I'm doing some digging behind the scenes and will get back to the list asap clarifying the issues raised. Hopefully later this afternoon. Thanks Jem, backstage.bbc.co.uk -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Tim Cowlishaw Sent: 23 June 2006 12:47 To: backstage@lists.bbc.co.uk Subject: Re: [backstage] Publishing TV listings? BDS are after you... On 6/23/06, Adam Leach [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: This is another point of data collected and gathered using tax/license fee payers money, yet we can't access it without paying substantial fees. I should point out here that BDS are not funded by the license fee, they are a private company, so this may not be true. cheers, Tim - Sent via the backstage.bbc.co.uk discussion group. To unsubscribe, please visit http://backstage.bbc.co.uk/archives/2005/01/mailing_list.html. Unofficial list archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/backstage@lists.bbc.co.uk/ - Sent via the backstage.bbc.co.uk discussion group. To unsubscribe, please visit http://backstage.bbc.co.uk/archives/2005/01/mailing_list.html. Unofficial list archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/backstage@lists.bbc.co.uk/ - Sent via the backstage.bbc.co.uk discussion group. To unsubscribe, please visit http://backstage.bbc.co.uk/archives/2005/01/mailing_list.html. Unofficial list archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/backstage@lists.bbc.co.uk/
RE: [backstage] BBC Jobs in Radio and Music Interactive
Title: RE: [backstage] BBC Jobs in Radio and Music Interactive Hi Aj 7D represents the salary range and terms and conditions for the job. D represents Days. Some jobs are H for Hours. BBC job grades are numerical and like Spinal Tap go up to 11 (except confusingly the most senior BBC jobs which are classified SM1 and SM2). If you contact Helen (directly..see below) she can give you more detail about likely salary expectations. thanks Jem -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] on behalf of Arpit Jain Sent: Sun 5/7/2006 5:32 PM To: backstage@lists.bbc.co.uk Subject: Re: [backstage] BBC Jobs in Radio and Music Interactive Hi, Could anyone explain what do Grade (like Grade 7D) stand for in the job descriptions? Thanks, AJ On 5/7/06, Ian Moss [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: All London jobs ? Is their likely to be anything cropping in the Manchester area in the foreseable ? Cheers, Ian Um - most of these jobs aren't viewable... :-( Cheers, Rich. On 5/5/06, Helen Pickford [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hi there We in Radio and Music Interactive are recruiting for front and back end developers in addition to other posts. If you are interested please apply on the BBC jobs website. There will also be more jobs coming up in the next few weeks so if you are interested keep your eyes on the website. Client Side Developer:(Front end) http://jobs.bbc.co.uk/jobportal/search/vacancy.aspx?id=8222 Senior Client Side Developer: (Front end plus management responsabilities) https://jobs.bbc.co.uk/jobportal/search/vacancy.aspx?id=8223 Software Engineer: (Backend) https://jobs.bbc.co.uk/jobportal/search/vacancy.aspx?id=8395 Senior Software Engineer (backend plus management) https://jobs.bbc.co.uk/jobportal/search/vacancy.aspx?id=8224 Technical Project Team Leader: (To manage a team of Technical Project Managers) https://jobs.bbc.co.uk/jobportal/search/vacancy.aspx?id=8225 Take a look at some of our work on http://www.bbc.co.uk/radio or http://www.bbc.co.uk/music if you are interested. Cheers Helen - Sent via the backstage.bbc.co.uk discussion group. To unsubscribe, please visit http://backstage.bbc.co.uk/archives/2005/01/mailing_list.html. Unofficial list archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/backstage@lists.bbc.co.uk/ - Sent via the backstage.bbc.co.uk discussion group. To unsubscribe, please visit http://backstage.bbc.co.uk/archives/2005/01/mailing_list.html. Unofficial list archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/backstage@lists.bbc.co.uk/
[backstage] RE: BBC conference request
Hi Backstage List apologies for repeat request We've a couple of last minute spaces available for the chance to participate in the BBC conference below (see original email below). http://backstage.bbc.co.uk/misc/digitalassassins.doc There's a small fee, lunch and a chance to watch the BBC's new interactive World Service radio programme broadcast live from the conference. http://blogs.bbc.co.uk/worldhaveyoursay/ If you available to be in London for the afternoon of Wednesday May 3rd then please download the form above. (it has full details about what to do). Thanks Jem, bbc.co.uk -Original Message- From: Jeremy Stone Sent: 05 April 2006 16:07 To: 'backstage@lists.bbc.co.uk' Subject: BBC conference request Hi Backstage list This is a favour. The BBC is looking for people to help take part in a session at a conference we are hosting on May 3rd. The only criteria to take part are that you are over 16, talkative, a passionate user of digital media (sorry we here at the the BBC love that phrase) and available to be in West London for that Wednesday afternoon from 2pm. The focus off the session is about the new ways that people create and consume news in all its flavours. So if you get most of your news from Digg, Boing Boing and Slashdot then we want to hear from you. Don't worry if you listen to Radio 4 and read a newspaper from time to time then that's ok too. You will receive a small fee, lunch, and the chance to sit in on the conference for the last 2 sessions including the ability to see the BBC's new interactive World Service radio programme broadcast live from the conference. http://blogs.bbc.co.uk/worldhaveyoursay/ If you are interested then please download and fill out this short form. We'll look through the docs and we'll get in touch. Please feel free to pass on this request to anybody that you feel might be interested. http://backstage.bbc.co.uk/misc/digitalassassins.doc (It's a word document...sorry.It has full details about what to do if you're tempted) Thanks for listening. Jem, backstage.bbc.co.uk - Sent via the backstage.bbc.co.uk discussion group. To unsubscribe, please visit http://backstage.bbc.co.uk/archives/2005/01/mailing_list.html. Unofficial list archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/backstage@lists.bbc.co.uk/
RE: [backstage] BBC Programme Catalogue
Hi Dave I'm sure Tom L will be on later to reveal more but yep, the online BBC programme catalogue is going to be released/announced tomorrow. Jem, bbc.co.uk - Sent via the backstage.bbc.co.uk discussion group. To unsubscribe, please visit http://backstage.bbc.co.uk/archives/2005/01/mailing_list.html. Unofficial list archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/backstage@lists.bbc.co.uk/
RE: [backstage] Homepage Archive?
Title: RE: [backstage] Homepage Archive? Just wondering if there is a plan for promotion Jem? Seems a shame to keep it hidden. You're right. duly chastized. Will fix this. Jem, bbc.co.uk
RE: [backstage] BBC conference request
Hi Backstage list This is a favour. What I actually meant of course was can I ask you a favour ? Oops. Thanks Jem, backstage.bbc.co.uk - Sent via the backstage.bbc.co.uk discussion group. To unsubscribe, please visit http://backstage.bbc.co.uk/archives/2005/01/mailing_list.html. Unofficial list archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/backstage@lists.bbc.co.uk/
[backstage] BBC conference request
Hi Backstage list This is a favour. The BBC is looking for people to help take part in a session at a conference we are hosting on May 3rd. The only criteria to take part are that you are over 16, talkative, a passionate user of digital media (sorry we here at the the BBC love that phrase) and available to be in West London for that Wednesday afternoon from 2pm. The focus off the session is about the new ways that people create and consume news in all its flavours. So if you get most of your news from Digg, Boing Boing and Slashdot then we want to hear from you. Don't worry if you listen to Radio 4 and read a newspaper from time to time then that's ok too. You will receive a small fee, lunch, and the chance to sit in on the conference for the last 2 sessions including the ability to see the BBC's new interactive World Service radio programme broadcast live from the conference. http://blogs.bbc.co.uk/worldhaveyoursay/ If you are interested then please download and fill out this short form. We'll look through the docs and we'll get in touch. Please feel free to pass on this request to anybody that you feel might be interested. http://backstage.bbc.co.uk/misc/digitalassassins.doc (It's a word document...sorry.It has full details about what to do if you're tempted) Thanks for listening. Jem, backstage.bbc.co.uk - Sent via the backstage.bbc.co.uk discussion group. To unsubscribe, please visit http://backstage.bbc.co.uk/archives/2005/01/mailing_list.html. Unofficial list archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/backstage@lists.bbc.co.uk/
[backstage] FW: [rss-media] Announcing RSS feeds on Google Video (alpha)
Title: FW: [rss-media] Announcing RSS feeds on Google Video (alpha) Dear all In case you've not seen. Jem, backstage.bbc.co.uk -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] On Behalf Of googlerssmedia Sent: 10 March 2006 00:11 To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: [rss-media] Announcing RSS feeds on Google Video (alpha) Google is pleased to announce an alpha release of RSS feeds on Google Video. This is our first release of RSS feeds on Google Video and we're contacting this group because we'd like to receive feedback on our implementation. Specifically, we've implemented portions of the MediaRSS extension and would like to make sure that what we've done is standards-compliant. We are also interested in feedback regarding additional information that would be useful to include in the feeds. The RSS feature is not yet linked on our site, so to access it you'll need to use the links below. To access a feed of popular videos, go to http://video.google.com/videofeed?type=popular=20=rss To access a feed of any search results page, go to http://video.google.com/videofeed?type=search=type%3Agpick=20=rss In both cases, the num parameter can take any value from 1 to 100. In the case of search, the q parameter is the search query, and so can be anything you might see in a Google Video search URL. Furthermore, any other parameters that are accepted by Google Video search (e.g. for sort order) can be used here. Please respond to this post with any feedback you may have. Thanks for your help and for your interest in Google Video! - The Google Video team Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/rss-media/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
RE: [backstage] Web2 Conferences
On 11/14/05, James [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Any chance of a heads up on upcoming talks about web2 /general web stuff ? I havent really found a great source and it might be nice to go to some of these :) I'm sure you're subscribed but in case not..NTK's Event Queue is good for this sort of thing... http://www.ntk.net/ - Sent via the backstage.bbc.co.uk discussion group. To unsubscribe, please visit http://backstage.bbc.co.uk/archives/2005/01/mailing_list.html. Unofficial list archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/backstage@lists.bbc.co.uk/
[backstage] Ben/Backstage at D Construct
For some reason we've allowed Ben Metcalfe, our lovely colleague, out in public again to speak at a Web 2.0 conference in Brighton. http://www.clearleft.com/training/dconstruct.php When Ben has recovered from seeing the sea again: http://benmetcalfe.com/blog/index.php/2005/11/11/i-can-see-the-sea/ he pledged to cover it over at the Backstage blog. However there's already a write up of Ben's speech here: http://www.timandkathy.co.uk/journal/2005/11/11/ben-metcalfe-bbc-backsta ge/ And you can download Ben's presentation from the site here: http://backstage.bbc.co.uk/misc/dconstruct.ppt The notes and the ppt are really good round ups of what Backstage is about, offer some sneak previews of our future plans and some references to some of the great work you've already shared with each other and the BBC. Thanks Jem Stone, backstage team. - Sent via the backstage.bbc.co.uk discussion group. To unsubscribe, please visit http://backstage.bbc.co.uk/archives/2005/01/mailing_list.html. Unofficial list archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/backstage@lists.bbc.co.uk/
RE: [backstage] iMP
Are we allowed to talk about iMP here ? Sure. We can also pass on any specific queries to the iMP team if you're on the trial. There's also quite a lengthy thread on one of our message boards with contributions from the iMP trial team. http://www.bbc.co.uk/dna/mbpointsofview/F1951572?thread=1160867 Jem - Sent via the backstage.bbc.co.uk discussion group. To unsubscribe, please visit http://backstage.bbc.co.uk/archives/2005/01/mailing_list.html. Unofficial list archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/backstage@lists.bbc.co.uk/
RE: [backstage] iMP
Back on topic... Heads up for backstage list. The iMP message board is now live at http://www.bbc.co.uk/dna/mbimp/ It launches formally on Monday. Priya Prakash from the project is one of the board's hosts. Ta Jem -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Victoria Conlan Sent: 04 November 2005 16:38 To: backstage@lists.bbc.co.uk Subject: RE: [backstage] iMP we only execute internal candidates Ok, this makes me slightly afraid to apply for anything ever again. - Sent via the backstage.bbc.co.uk discussion group. To unsubscribe, please visit http://backstage.bbc.co.uk/archives/2005/01/mailing_list.html. Unofficial list archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/backstage@lists.bbc.co.uk/ - Sent via the backstage.bbc.co.uk discussion group. To unsubscribe, please visit http://backstage.bbc.co.uk/archives/2005/01/mailing_list.html. Unofficial list archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/backstage@lists.bbc.co.uk/
RE: [backstage] Jobs feed?
Hi Neil Thanks for your suggestion, it's obviously a no brainer. We've been working on a BBC jobs RSS feed for the last couple of weeks. We've now progressed to the stage of a test feed working internally and should have something to show the list very very soon indeed. Thanks for badgering. Ta Jem, backstage team. -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Kim Plowright Sent: 18 October 2005 14:18 To: backstage@lists.bbc.co.uk Subject: RE: [backstage] Jobs feed? Ben - but he's on peregrinations around China at the mo. It should be reasonably trivial, as iirc the jobs site is run from (gasp!) a CMS; there might be policy issues tho. There ususally are... :-) Could try badgering Jem. Jem? k -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Neil Phillips Sent: 18 October 2005 13:44 To: backstage@lists.bbc.co.uk Subject: [backstage] Jobs feed? Hi, I asked a while back if there were any plans to publish a bbc jobs feed (preferably geolocated), who's the best person to badger about this ? Cheers, Neil Jobble.org - Sent via the backstage.bbc.co.uk discussion group. To unsubscribe, please visit http://backstage.bbc.co.uk/archives/2005/01/mailing_list.html. Unofficial list archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/backstage@lists.bbc.co.uk/ - Sent via the backstage.bbc.co.uk discussion group. To unsubscribe, please visit http://backstage.bbc.co.uk/archives/2005/01/mailing_list.html. Unofficial list archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/backstage@lists.bbc.co.uk/
