Re: [backstage] What is TV?
Enjoying the thread! TV is a dinosaur sleepwalking off a cliff. - classic. TV is a cool medium. The whole world is fascinated with what's on TV - makes up a lot of what people do, say and think about all the time. Still, don't you think that the medium of the Internet - Interactive and instant protests, gatherings and media sharing is really showing it's power? Rage against the machine for xmas #1 was initiated on Facebook, but propelled with traditional TV media once the news hit. As the snowball got bigger, TV coverage also increased and so on. For me TV is 'trusted', always-on medium that is robustly delivered and doesn't often go wrong. Internet delivery can have these qualities - but for the sheer difference in end user platform and quality of delivery, we can't yet really say the same, can we? I'd love to see 1080p arrive via IP but it's not widespread enough yet. 4G will bring even more fun to the table with HDMI enabled 4G devices. But digressing - TV as a medium is evolutionary for sure. Originally black and white, delivered over huge sets with a lower resolution. Now we have impressive looking glass things on the wall serving up really good pictures over a digital medium. I don't know what's next for TV (anyone's guess is as good as mine) but I can have some fun imagining it too. --Matt On Tue, Dec 15, 2009 at 10:20 PM, Frank Wales fr...@limov.com wrote: Rain wrote: Wot that pastime you only end up doing if you really, really have nothing better to to do instead? Oh, I know, I know! Is it: debate the meaning of 'TV'? -- Frank Wales [fr...@limov.com] - Sent via the backstage.bbc.co.uk discussion group. To unsubscribe, please visit http://backstage.bbc.co.uk/archives/2005/01/mailing_list.html. Unofficial list archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/backstage@lists.bbc.co.uk/ - Sent via the backstage.bbc.co.uk discussion group. To unsubscribe, please visit http://backstage.bbc.co.uk/archives/2005/01/mailing_list.html. Unofficial list archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/backstage@lists.bbc.co.uk/
Re: [backstage] Ignite London - Wednesday 18th November
This looks great - I'd love to go but sadly can't tomorrow. Will there be any recordings of the speakers? --Matt On Tue, Nov 17, 2009 at 12:47 PM, Ian Forrester ian.forres...@bbc.co.uk wrote: No this isn't a plot to blow up London :) The first Ignite London will be this Wednesday 18th November at Ginglik in Shepherds Bush. http://upcoming.yahoo.com/event/4412432?v=1w=attend Details of speakers are listed on their blog - http://ignitelondon.net/post/231778291/just-in-case-youve-forgotten Going by the ones in Leeds it should be a good night... via Nicky Secret[] Private[] Public[ x ] Ian Forrester Senior Backstage Producer BBC RD North Lab, 1st Floor Office, OB Base, New Broadcasting House, Oxford Road, Manchester, M60 1SJ - Sent via the backstage.bbc.co.uk discussion group. To unsubscribe, please visit http://backstage.bbc.co.uk/archives/2005/01/mailing_list.html. Unofficial list archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/backstage@lists.bbc.co.uk/ - Sent via the backstage.bbc.co.uk discussion group. To unsubscribe, please visit http://backstage.bbc.co.uk/archives/2005/01/mailing_list.html. Unofficial list archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/backstage@lists.bbc.co.uk/
Re: [backstage] Fwd: [Autonomo.us] Skype, out?
On Wed, Aug 5, 2009 at 10:10 AM, Tim Dobsonli...@tdobson.net wrote:ions like that. Oh, and Windows 7 is so good I would pay for it. Second that. Been testing it out for months and love it. IE still really sucks though. - Sent via the backstage.bbc.co.uk discussion group. To unsubscribe, please visit http://backstage.bbc.co.uk/archives/2005/01/mailing_list.html. Unofficial list archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/backstage@lists.bbc.co.uk/
Re: [backstage] Fwd: [Autonomo.us] Skype, out?
On Wed, Aug 5, 2009 at 10:16 AM, John Styleshpeng...@gmail.com wrote: We seem to have drifted off topic, can we not go back to complaining that the BBC won't let me run iPlayer on my Tesco Value Toaster and store the programmes indefinitely in the bread bin?! John Hahaha that was brilliant - Sent via the backstage.bbc.co.uk discussion group. To unsubscribe, please visit http://backstage.bbc.co.uk/archives/2005/01/mailing_list.html. Unofficial list archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/backstage@lists.bbc.co.uk/
Re: [backstage] backstage Twitter?
@matt512 :) Prepare for 99% wine and beer related banter! On Sun, Jul 12, 2009 at 12:12 PM, Stephen Mountstep...@dreamcreators.co.uk wrote: I'm http://twitter.com/stemount :-) On 12 Jul 2009, at 10:47, Brian Butterworth wrote: James Cridland (and his pussy) are http://twitter.com/jamescridland 2009/7/10 Iain Wallace ikwall...@gmail.com I've not seen any hashtags floating around for backstage. Ian Forrester is http://twitter.com/cubicgarden I'm http://twitter.com/strawp We may as well use this thread to post others! On Fri, Jul 10, 2009 at 11:06 AM, Brian Butterworthbriant...@freeview.tv wrote: I've been laid up for a few months, so I might have missed the answer to these questions 1. Is there an official backstage #hashtag for Twitter 2. Is there a Backstage user to follow? 3. Is there a list of backstagers to follow somewhere? Thanks, Brian Butterworth - Sent via the backstage.bbc.co.uk discussion group. To unsubscribe, please visit http://backstage.bbc.co.uk/archives/2005/01/mailing_list.html. Unofficial list archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/backstage@lists.bbc.co.uk/ -- Brian Butterworth follow me on twitter: http://twitter.com/briantist web: http://www.ukfree.tv - independent digital television and switchover advice, since 2002 - Sent via the backstage.bbc.co.uk discussion group. To unsubscribe, please visit http://backstage.bbc.co.uk/archives/2005/01/mailing_list.html. Unofficial list archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/backstage@lists.bbc.co.uk/ - Sent via the backstage.bbc.co.uk discussion group. To unsubscribe, please visit http://backstage.bbc.co.uk/archives/2005/01/mailing_list.html. Unofficial list archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/backstage@lists.bbc.co.uk/
Re: [backstage] IE8 ships today
Have they fixed the annoying delay when you open an IE tab? Worst thing for me for IE. Otherwise I like it. Matt On Fri, Mar 20, 2009 at 12:42 PM, Brian Butterworth briant...@freeview.tv wrote: Chrome version 2.0 is out today. It's slightly faster, the middle mouse button does something and you can F11 to go full-screen. http://www.google.com/intl/en/landing/chrome/beta/ 2009/3/19 Mr I Forrester mail...@cubicgarden.com http://backstage.bbc.co.uk/news/archives/2009/03/ready_for_ie8.html Generally the view is very positive from Mix09 but it would be... However there is lots of thoughts about people real experience of the web when they already have weird activex stuff installed already. Cheers, Ian - Sent via the backstage.bbc.co.uk discussion group. To unsubscribe, please visit http://backstage.bbc.co.uk/archives/2005/01/mailing_list.html. Unofficial list archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/backstage@lists.bbc.co.uk/ -- Brian Butterworth follow me on twitter: http://twitter.com/briantist web: http://www.ukfree.tv - independent digital television and switchover advice, since 2002 - Sent via the backstage.bbc.co.uk discussion group. To unsubscribe, please visit http://backstage.bbc.co.uk/archives/2005/01/mailing_list.html. Unofficial list archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/backstage@lists.bbc.co.uk/
Re: [backstage] Norwegian National Broadcaster using OpenTracker Torrent Server to distribute DRM free HDTV
Also cool they are promoting UGC subtitles. I wonder if mashups would be treated the same way, perhaps if uploaded to YouTube, they might receive the same recognition and a link on their site. Could be a pretty nice way to drive content. On Mon, Mar 9, 2009 at 3:24 PM, Ian Forrester ian.forres...@bbc.co.uk wrote: Interesting stuff - http://nrkbeta.no/norwegian-broadcasting-corporation-sets-up-its-own-bittorrent-tracker/ I also found it interesting that they used RSS+BitTorrent to download the whole lot in one go. Ian Forrester This e-mail is: [x] private; [] ask first; [] bloggable Senior Producer, BBC Backstage Room 1044, BBC Manchester BH, Oxford Road, M60 1SJ email: ian.forres...@bbc.co.uk work: +44 (0)1612444063 mob: +44 (0)7711913293 -Original Message- From: owner-backst...@lists.bbc.co.uk [mailto:owner-backst...@lists.bbc.co.uk] On Behalf Of Fearghas McKay Sent: 09 March 2009 09:06 To: backstage@lists.bbc.co.uk Subject: [backstage] Norwegian National Broadcaster using OpenTracker Torrent Server to distribute DRM free HDTV http://www.boingboing.net/2009/03/08/norways-public-broad-1.html Norway's public broadcaster sets up its own torrent tracker using same code as The Pirate Bay POSTED BY CORY DOCTOROW, MARCH 8, 2009 2:27 PM | PERMALINK Eirikso from NRK, the Norwegian public broadcast, writes to tell us that they've set up their own BitTorrent tracker, adding, The tracker is based on the same OpenTracker software that the Pirate Bay has been using for the last couple of years. By using BitTorrent we can reach our audience with full quality, unencrypted media files. Experience from our early tests show that if we're the best provider of our own content we also gain control of it. The first show we’re putting on our new tracker is a very popular television series about people living in remote places in Norway. It features fascinating people and spectacular scenery. We have provided all the Norwegian subtitle files and if people want to fansub any of the episodes we’re more than happy to let you do that. Please let us know in the comments and we’ll link to your translations. We are providing full quality video files with no DRM. The biggest problem regarding this project is to clear all the rights we need to be able to distribute content in such an open system. NRK is a big content producer, but record labels, actors, external production companies and format rights owners usually have contracts that prevent us from distributing our content freely in the internet. We are in constant negotiations over these issues. And it seems like it should be possible to find a solution where NRK gets the rights it needs and the rights holders get the compensation they want. In addition to this we look into new providers. Pump Audio, Magnatune and other companies with easier licensing systems are interesting sources. The Norwegian Broadcasting Corporation is promoting the free and opensource Miro software as their preferred BitTorrent client. It is user friendly and contains everything you need to both download and play the high quality video files. - Sent via the backstage.bbc.co.uk discussion group. To unsubscribe, please visit http://backstage.bbc.co.uk/archives/2005/01/mailing_list.html. Unofficial list archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/backstage@lists.bbc.co.uk/ - Sent via the backstage.bbc.co.uk discussion group. To unsubscribe, please visit http://backstage.bbc.co.uk/archives/2005/01/mailing_list.html. Unofficial list archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/backstage@lists.bbc.co.uk/ - Sent via the backstage.bbc.co.uk discussion group. To unsubscribe, please visit http://backstage.bbc.co.uk/archives/2005/01/mailing_list.html. Unofficial list archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/backstage@lists.bbc.co.uk/
Re: [backstage] Make the primary operating system used in state schools free and open source
What about all the jobs that people have when they develop software that is paid for and licensed? If the switch to free software were to suddenly happen, would these people find themselves out of work? This isn't a stab at anybody, it's just an observation that I'd like to put in there. And I'm genuinely interested in the response from enthusiasts to the idea. Also, I am a fan of both closed, and open software, using Microsoft and Mozilla products, enjoying and consuming DRM-Free media content. I don't often enjoy getting involved in open/closed/free/however discussions because I find they are very one sided a lot of the time. Speaking of Linux in schools - I do find that out of the many Linux distributions that I have used, Ubuntu included, none were up to scratch to use in either a production or play environment for me. Flaky support - annoying buggy features that waste time instead of saving time, just unusual ways of working. That's my 'used to XP' side shining through. XP does what I want now - and to be frank, is reliable and fast. At least how I have it set up. I do see the fun in being able to tweak the OS, and really get to grips with it's operation - if kids in computer science / computing / IT classes were taught to think that way then we would have a better IT society. But we must consider that first, we need a good platform to work from. Where I work, we are able to choose whichever platform works best for us, as long as it doesn't affect productivity. Trouble is, schools are more important than the workplace in my opinion - and the kids might not know what they want just yet. Maybe that's the point this thread is trying to prove? - Sent via the backstage.bbc.co.uk discussion group. To unsubscribe, please visit http://backstage.bbc.co.uk/archives/2005/01/mailing_list.html. Unofficial list archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/backstage@lists.bbc.co.uk/
Re: [backstage] If you had a ton of content to freely distribute
Hey, BitTorrent would be the way forward considering all the arguments the ISPs would kick up if you tried to unicast it from BBC servers - like when iPlayer traffic started up I guess. It being legit content, might open up more to the idea of BitTorrent distribution? ZIPping large video content is a large negative - just wastes time. Processing power to even lightly try and compress already compressed files as you know is silly, and takes a long time and a lot of PC churning. If it's uncompressed however, compress away. But then we're talking niche... anyway - yeh as mentioned in a previous reply, TARring together some bits and pieces is efficient, compressing isn't. I guess if it was to be rolled out conventionally, partnering with someone that has a huge edge network - Google, Akamai, etc... would do the trick nicely. Or BitTorrent with content edge pushed to the ISPs. Packaging should be done in a viable format - as in useable... or popular, that's the right word? Some would say use the most free, some would say use the most popular - is there one that fits into both categories? Of course we can do subtitles on WMV, but that's locking in somewhat - but packaging the subtitle file then causes audience to narrow to those that know how to use it. What's the audience? If it's technical or editing people, then use some open, good quality format that can convert to many others. Then package the subtitles in a nice non-cryptic standard - you could have an XML base for the metadata. Is there any meta format that the big editing suites share? Preferably an XML style one - so the small guys can compete too and still use the information. Just throwing some ideas around... :) --Matt On Mon, Jan 19, 2009 at 10:15 PM, Christopher Woods chris...@infinitus.co.uk wrote: Were we reading from the same crib sheet Andy? ;) - Sent via the backstage.bbc.co.uk discussion group. To unsubscribe, please visit http://backstage.bbc.co.uk/archives/2005/01/mailing_list.html. Unofficial list archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/backstage@lists.bbc.co.uk/
Re: [backstage] Windows 7 beta can be downloaded now!
Hahaha that's massively funny On Sun, Jan 11, 2009 at 11:02 AM, Martin Deutsch martin.deut...@gmail.comwrote: On Sat, Jan 10, 2009 at 6:16 PM, Brian Butterworth briant...@freeview.tv wrote: If you want to have a look at Windows 7, you can download the beta now (it's really is working) from here: http://technet.microsoft.com/en-gb/evalcenter/dd353205.aspx I've heard there's a caveat, though... http://xkcd.com/528/ - Sent via the backstage.bbc.co.uk discussion group. To unsubscribe, please visit http://backstage.bbc.co.uk/archives/2005/01/mailing_list.html. Unofficial list archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/backstage@lists.bbc.co.uk/
Re: [backstage] Your ideas are now finally welcomed
Matt Barber wrote: I used to like the way T4 would put T4: [show] at the start. That way, you could figure out what you wanted to watch. It would be good if Big Breakfast and such did that. Robert (Jamie) Munro wrote: No, that's a truely utterly horrible thing to do. When searching by showname in my PVR, if I want to find, for example, Friends, some non-T4 epsiodes are under F, others are under T. And the whole T section of my PVR menu grows very big and unbalanced. Sometimes the same episode is shown with both names, and it will record it twice thinking they are different programs. Still, better than one big T4 program? If they *have* to keep their T4 brand visible, then I think it's better chopped up than one big show. What would work quite well is if the unique episode number with series name was carried in a separate field. So you'd have displayed on the TV 'T4: Friends', and in the data stream, also have 'friends,ep584933' or however - then PVR search would work well, and if that was made standard across channels, we could really do efficient series recording. But then defeats advertising etc etc... But just a technical viewpoint.
Re: [backstage] The Page 284 of Teletext test... anyone know the rationale?
On Mon, Nov 17, 2008 at 8:44 PM, Brian Butterworth [EMAIL PROTECTED]wrote: This one, can't go around praising a document and not linking to it, terrible form... http://www.bbc.co.uk/rd/pubs/whp/whp169.shtml 2008/11/17 Brian Butterworth [EMAIL PROTECTED] Thanks Brian, that's an interesting document.
Re: [backstage] Ideatorrent
This is nice that the author is getting involved proactively with the project. On Wed, Oct 29, 2008 at 7:18 PM, Nicolas Deschildre [EMAIL PROTECTED]wrote: Hey, I'm the author of Ideatorrent, and I'm pleased to learn the BBC is going to use it :) Ubuntu is indeed using it, but a much older snapshot, it is in the process of being updated (snap here: http://devel.ideatorrent.org) Concerning the bugs you were talking about (bad link on Submit), this is partially fixed on the latest 0.9 version (link of the submit your idea string OK, link of the image not OK), I'll take care of it. A very few bugs are remaining, I recommand you to put Write error to the log on the Error reporting option on /admin/settings/error-reporting, otherwise users will see the PHP errors. I am aware of some, which gives scarry red blocks of SQL, but that is very minor, don't be afraid :) I'll be happy to help you out if you find any other issues :) Cheers, Nicolas - Sent via the backstage.bbc.co.uk discussion group. To unsubscribe, please visit http://backstage.bbc.co.uk/archives/2005/01/mailing_list.html. Unofficial list archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/backstage@lists.bbc.co.uk/
Re: [backstage] Newstime on BanterTV
Stefan Richter wrote: Hi all, today I'd like to draw your attention to a site which I have recently launched. Hi Stefan, nice to hear from you. Will take a look at your site later this afternoon. I am in Belgium so probably won't receive the stream, but can certainly comment on design and interaction, if you would like the feedback. Thanks, Matt - Sent via the backstage.bbc.co.uk discussion group. To unsubscribe, please visit http://backstage.bbc.co.uk/archives/2005/01/mailing_list.html. Unofficial list archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/backstage@lists.bbc.co.uk/
Re: [backstage] iPhone iPlayer
It could be difficult for the BBC to keep a reliable counter without knowing your phone number or something like that, a cookie could be used but might be deleted. Nice idea though, it's important to keep the user informed. All you can eat data plans really are a must for all but very light users, I don't believe some of the prices that networks charge per meg. It's insane. ./Matt Alan Pope wrote: Given the BBC knows the file sizes of each programme someone downloads, surely it would be trivial for the iplayer people to have a running counter of how much data a visitor has transferred. Then the user could make an informed decision on whether to watch more telly or wait until next month, rather than having the BBC make the decision for them? Cheers, Al. 2008/10/12 Ian Forrester [EMAIL PROTECTED]: I'm sure someone from the iplayer team will answer at some point, but I think the reasoning is because of your phone bill. Streaming over 3g/hsdpa (even edge) is possible but if your paying per meg, it can start to get expensive quickly and its hard to get a feel for exactly how much your actually using. I just got my phone bill through and I had used 1.4gig of mobile data over the last month. Luckily I'm on Orange's £6 a month for 'unlimited' off peak data, so my total bill was nice and low. You could imagine, if your not on the ball. It could cost you dearly and of course the BBC don't want this. Cheers Ian Forrester This e-mail is: [x] private; [] ask first; [] bloggable Senior Producer, BBC Backstage Room 1044, BBC Manchester BH, Oxford Road, M60 1SJ email: [EMAIL PROTECTED] work: +44 (0)2080083965 mob: +44 (0)7711913293 - Sent via the backstage.bbc.co.uk discussion group. To unsubscribe, please visit http://backstage.bbc.co.uk/archives/2005/01/mailing_list.html. Unofficial list archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/backstage@lists.bbc.co.uk/
Re: [backstage] HD Videocamera advice please...
Dave Crossland wrote: 2008/9/29 Matt Barber [EMAIL PROTECTED]: I'd like to hear any suggestions or comments. Out of your price range and needs, but the Red ONE is fun to know about :-) http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/RED_Digital_Camera_Company Ag (sound of drooling from my mouth) - I read about that in Wired, then that week, actually saw one being carried around briefly in Ostende. It is such a nice bit of kit, interesting story behind it too. But alas... slightly out of my range :)
Re: [backstage] HD Videocamera advice please...
Jim Tonge wrote: Got a lower version of the Sony HDR-HC9E http://www.sony.co.uk/product/hdd-hdv/hdr-hc9e/tab/technicalspecs#tab at work - last year's model. Pretty good for a Handycam: CMOS sensor, audio in. 'Spose it depends if you want DV/HDV or flash cards. For the price I'd probably go with DV tape though. Got 'em at Amazon for £645, but try Visual Impact Northern http://www.visuals.co.uk/VisualImpactNorthern/ - their sales guy Rob usually sorts me out with a really good price. Good luck. Jim Thanks Jim, I will have a look. I had some miniDV standard-def cameras before - but had bad experience with sometimes the picture breaking up, was thinking a hard disk model would solve that and also give me random access which would be great. Just considering that lowers my range considerably though so will give tape a look, thanks for the suggestion :) Matt
Re: [backstage-developer] Online experiment in emotion recognition - please take part.
Peter Bleackley wrote: Hello everybody. I'm running an experiment to train a neural network to recognise the emotional content of gestures. Hi Peter, This sounds interesting, I will take a look and sign up. Also if you don't mind, will forward this to a few friends that are interested in neural net computing and AI. Thanks, Matt
Re: [backstage] Manchester Free Software Talk: Dave Crossland - Free as in Profit
Michael wrote: On Wednesday 10 September 2008 00:19:38 Ian Forrester wrote: Would love to be there but I'm in London on the 16th. Anyone else going to go? Sadly it's not practical for me to go either, though for other reasons :) Michael. I can't go - but will there be a pod/webcast?
Re: [backstage] Manchester Free Software Talk: Dave Crossland - Free as in Profit
Dave Crossland wrote: 2008/9/11 Matt Barber [EMAIL PROTECTED]: I can't go - but will there be a pod/webcast? I think Tim is going to bring a video camera, so hopefully, yes Thanks Dave for the info, and thanks Tim in advance for bringing the camera! :) Hope it goes well, and look forward to watching some footage.
Re: [backstage] zambians in mourning
On Wed, Sep 3, 2008 at 4:22 PM, Sam Mbale [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: In case you happen to be there, I'll be the sad guy with an afro. thanks I think it would have been better accepted had it not been in caps, I thought it was spam at first glance! But I hope it all goes OK.
Re: [backstage] Search yourself
On Tue, Aug 19, 2008 at 3:29 PM, Richard Lockwood [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Cool. But cool in a cool for the sake of being cool way, rather than cool in an in any way useful way. I want good search results. I don't really care how whizzily they're presented. That's part of the genius of Google search. Cheers, Rich. Yeh I second that, it looks pretty cool but the results aren't very strong. If we had more bandwidth lying around, be cool to have that style interface for a set of google results, with relative video/audio streams playing alongside that complimented the current result/subset of results and category, so you can bounce around from result to result, and surf the web using search.
Re: [backstage] Mr Cashmore goes down under
Ah that looks really cool! Best of luck to Matt, Patrick and Stace. On Thu, Aug 14, 2008 at 11:12 PM, Ian Forrester [EMAIL PROTECTED]wrote: Hi All, As most of you know, Matt Cashmore was part of the backstage team until recently when he took over the BBC innovation labs. But not even the joy of working with the SME community was enough to hold him in the country. Yep he's leaving the UK not only to ride across Russia [1] but to also shake up the lonely planet [2] down under in Melbourne [3]. He's under strict instructions to say, think, dream APIs, so who knows... I hope you all check out his blogs and maybe drop him a quick comment of encouragement. The lucky sod ;-) Cheers, [1] - http://www.journeytorussia.co.uk/ [2] - http://www.lonelyplanet.com/ [3] - http://www.thelondonbiker.com/blog/?p=189 Ian Forrester This e-mail is: [] private; [] ask first; [x] bloggable Senior Producer, BBC Backstage Room 1044, BBC Manchester BH, Oxford Road, M60 1SJ email: [EMAIL PROTECTED] work: +44 (0)2080083965 mob: +44 (0)7711913293 - Sent via the backstage.bbc.co.uk discussion group. To unsubscribe, please visit http://backstage.bbc.co.uk/archives/2005/01/mailing_list.html. Unofficial list archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/backstage@lists.bbc.co.uk/
Re: [backstage] BBC clock
On Mon, Jul 28, 2008 at 5:42 AM, D P Ingram [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: ...I need to find the source/author/licence else, quite reasonably, the web developer will not incorporate it (if it is possible to do so)... Have you tried acking the guy who made that site, there's a contact page at http://edmullen.net/contact.php - maybe he can help you out. I like the bounce on the second hand with that clock you mentioned.
Re: [backstage] BBC clock
On Mon, Jul 28, 2008 at 9:18 AM, D P Ingram [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I followed his guidance at the top of the page where the nice clocks were found before posting :) Please note: I did not create any of these Flash clocks! I found them all on the Internet. I placed them here for information purposes only. There's little point in writing to me about them as I have said everything I know about them here and on the individual clock pages. Ah yes the classic trick of reading the page properly haha. Oops.
Re: [backstage] BBC Music Beta launches
Yeh really nice :) On Mon, Jul 28, 2008 at 11:09 PM, Lee Ball [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Wow, thats really amazing. Well done people. My team have produced another corker... http://www.bbc.co.uk/music/beta is a lovely looking site, and contains lots and lots of lovely APIs... more details at http://www.bbc.co.uk/music/developers#RESTful How splendid. Well done, chaps and chapesses. j - Sent via the backstage.bbc.co.uk discussion group. To unsubscribe, please visit http://backstage.bbc.co.uk/archives/2005/01/mailing_list.html. Unofficial list archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/backstage@lists.bbc.co.uk/
Re: [backstage] Internet TV without streaming is like
On Mon, Jul 21, 2008 at 10:43 AM, Deirdre Harvey [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: 2008/7/18 Oeztunali, Sebnem (CT) [EMAIL PROTECTED]: As said before there is a distinguishable difference between streaming and downloading, hence even if P2P downloading is old, P2P streaming is quite the sizzle... Quite the sizzle? I'm sold! :D This phrase is the best thing I've ever learnt in a DRM debate. I'm already figuring out how many times I'm going to be able to say it today. Yeh that is pretty good haha. In seriousness, if bandwidth providers (ISPs, whoever comes along next to pay for it etc...) provide the pipe and market it to customers well enough, don't you think that these killer apps (YouTube, iPlayer) will grow and multiply to fit the available tech? HD, more channels, wider opportunity for business, advertising and all that other fund providing stuff to come in and use streaming? The better and more capable the platform, the more we can do with it (that's kinda obvious)... I wonder when consumer input tech (videocameras) will become as easy as a mobile phone, to push real SD and HD onto the streaming web. When it becomes that easy, it may not be known as the 'streaming web' or the web at all, it might just be a STB or other easy to use consumer device? Anyway enough straying from doing work and rambling, best get on with some things.
Re: [backstage] Internet TV without streaming is like
On Mon, Jul 21, 2008 at 11:02 AM, Fred Phillips [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Mon Jul 21 11:11:17 2008, Oeztunali, Sebnem (CT) wrote: But still flash runs in every browser, hence every device capable of Internet-connectivity (has a browser) is able to receive that stream. Not in mine, and even if it did I wouldn't. I quite like Flash myself, nice to develop for, and easy for consumers to get and use.
Re: [backstage] Internet TV without streaming is like
Unofficial off-the-top-of-my-head: 11:1 streaming:download. So this means even more pressure for the ISPs (a good thing in my opinion - will speed them up figuring out a viable business model for all these bits to be delivered) - and maybe a little less flak for the BBC for shifting the TBs with iPlayer. ./Matt On Fri, Jul 18, 2008 at 1:57 PM, Oeztunali, Sebnem (CT) [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Having to go fishing for your fish chips (ok, I'm not very good with metaphors - big deal ;) Anyway, Amazon's streaming now, too: http://www.nytimes.com/2008/07/17/technology/17amazon.html?_r=1scp=2sq=amazonst=cseoref=slogin ...It will also let users buy a TV show or movie without actually downloading the video file to the PC's hard drive... I believe this is the single viable option, and is true to the antything-anytime-anywhere-goes potential of the Internet and let's you forget about vendor lock-in due to DRM. (P2P-)Downloading is yesterday's beer. How long does it take to get a show with iPlayer? Are there any numbers comparing the flash version and the iPlayer client usage? All the best, Sebnem P.S. for the P2P-at-heart among you: I am specualting that Amazon's streaming makes use of P2P technology (as well as their EC2 and S3: http://www.allthingsdistributed.com/2007/10/amazons_dynamo.html ) Mit freundlichen Grüßen Sebnem Öztunali Siemens AG Corporate Technology Intelligent Autonomous Systems CT IC 6 Otto-Hahn-Ring 6 81739 München Tel.: +49 (89) 636-44127 Fax: +49 (89) 636-41423 mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Siemens Aktiengesellschaft: Vorsitzender des Aufsichtsrats: Gerhard Cromme; Vorstand: Peter Löscher, Vorsitzender; Wolfgang Dehen, Heinrich Hiesinger, Joe Kaeser, Jim Reid-Anderson, Hermann Requardt, Siegfried Russwurm, Peter Y. Solmssen; Sitz der Gesellschaft: Berlin und München; Registergericht: Berlin Charlottenburg, HRB 12300, München, HRB 6684; WEEE-Reg.-Nr. DE 23691322 - Sent via the backstage.bbc.co.uk discussion group. To unsubscribe, please visit http://backstage.bbc.co.uk/archives/2005/01/mailing_list.html. Unofficial list archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/backstage@lists.bbc.co.uk/
Re: [backstage] Internet TV without streaming is like
Here's some figures: ...while the number of those choosing to stream content outnumbers those that download content by 8:1... from http://uk.gizmodo.com/2008/01/16/bbc_iplayer_used_by_a_million.html, January 2008 ...Given that the ratio of downloads to streaming views runs at 1:8 for iPlayer, it remains to be seen if a downloader will be popular for the Mac platform... from http://www.thinkbroadband.com/news/3565-enterprising-soul-creates-bbc-iplayer-download-app-for-mac.html, May 2008 And from the BBC: ...Most programmes have a ratio of around eight streams for every download, but high-end drama, such as The Passion had over a quarter of its iPlayer consumption via the P2P download service... From http://www.bbc.co.uk/blogs/bbcinternet/2008/04/hidden_costs_of_watching_tv_on.html, 2nd April 2008. Shows are around 600MB, so downloading one of them at 1mbps is 80 minutes? ./Matt On Fri, Jul 18, 2008 at 2:41 PM, Matt Barber [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Unofficial off-the-top-of-my-head: 11:1 streaming:download. So this means even more pressure for the ISPs (a good thing in my opinion - will speed them up figuring out a viable business model for all these bits to be delivered) - and maybe a little less flak for the BBC for shifting the TBs with iPlayer. ./Matt On Fri, Jul 18, 2008 at 1:57 PM, Oeztunali, Sebnem (CT) [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Having to go fishing for your fish chips (ok, I'm not very good with metaphors - big deal ;) Anyway, Amazon's streaming now, too: http://www.nytimes.com/2008/07/17/technology/17amazon.html?_r=1scp=2sq=amazonst=cseoref=slogin ...It will also let users buy a TV show or movie without actually downloading the video file to the PC's hard drive... I believe this is the single viable option, and is true to the antything-anytime-anywhere-goes potential of the Internet and let's you forget about vendor lock-in due to DRM. (P2P-)Downloading is yesterday's beer. How long does it take to get a show with iPlayer? Are there any numbers comparing the flash version and the iPlayer client usage? All the best, Sebnem P.S. for the P2P-at-heart among you: I am specualting that Amazon's streaming makes use of P2P technology (as well as their EC2 and S3: http://www.allthingsdistributed.com/2007/10/amazons_dynamo.html ) Mit freundlichen Grüßen Sebnem Öztunali Siemens AG Corporate Technology Intelligent Autonomous Systems CT IC 6 Otto-Hahn-Ring 6 81739 München Tel.: +49 (89) 636-44127 Fax: +49 (89) 636-41423 mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Siemens Aktiengesellschaft: Vorsitzender des Aufsichtsrats: Gerhard Cromme; Vorstand: Peter Löscher, Vorsitzender; Wolfgang Dehen, Heinrich Hiesinger, Joe Kaeser, Jim Reid-Anderson, Hermann Requardt, Siegfried Russwurm, Peter Y. Solmssen; Sitz der Gesellschaft: Berlin und München; Registergericht: Berlin Charlottenburg, HRB 12300, München, HRB 6684; WEEE-Reg.-Nr. DE 23691322 - Sent via the backstage.bbc.co.uk discussion group. To unsubscribe, please visit http://backstage.bbc.co.uk/archives/2005/01/mailing_list.html. Unofficial list archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/backstage@lists.bbc.co.uk/
Re: [backstage] RSS for /complaints, please?
As a side note, be nice to have appraisal and suggestion comments, too in that feed. Also, anyone thought about user recommendations? On Thu, Jul 10, 2008 at 10:27 AM, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hi all, Is there any chance that an RSS feed of http://www.bbc.co.uk/complaints/read_responses.shtml could be provided, please? Ideally, it would be great if it contained the relevant episode ID(s) from /programmes, too, but I realise that this might be difficult to achieve this integration in the first instance :) I think it would be quite interesting to build a page that links to the complained-about broadcasts on iPlayer, and, in any case, it would seem sensible for /programmes pages to provide a link to the BBC's response for complaints raised about it. For example, http://www.bbc.co.uk/programmes/b00cq64p should, in my opinion, be able to be linked to http://www.bbc.co.uk/complaints/news/2008/07/08/55832.shtm Thanks for your consideration, Dominic. - Sent via the backstage.bbc.co.uk discussion group. To unsubscribe, please visit http://backstage.bbc.co.uk/archives/2005/01/mailing_list.html. Unofficial list archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/backstage@lists.bbc.co.uk/
Re: [backstage] Quick idea for BBC News video
Yeh that's another point, for guidance content, if you implemented the autostart switch you would need to disable the switch for that. Regarding the MythTV stuff - can you scrape the URL and play it in a firefox window fullscreen? Would that work? On Wed, Jul 9, 2008 at 1:45 AM, John O'Donovan [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: There is a reason why some autostart and some don't... If the content is on a News Story then it waits for you to press play as the primary content is the News Story and you can choose to start the video or not...e.g: http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/sci/tech/7494891.stm Some start automatically because they are on Media Asset Pages - i.e. the purpose of the page is to host the video and so if you get there then you obviously just want to play the media, so it just starts, eg: http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/world/asia-pacific/7496377.stm There are some exceptions such as when content within the media has a guidance warning, meaning it won't be suitable for all users. These videos will never auto start as you may not want to see what is in then. Cheers, jod -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] on behalf of Mr I Forrester Sent: Fri 7/4/2008 12:18 PM To: backstage@lists.bbc.co.uk Subject: Re: [backstage] Quick idea for BBC News video -BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 I'm not so sure, its actually a good idea I think. A simple querystring element which starts the video as soon as possible. I'll put it in our ideas section, including your reason why not :) Peter Bowyer wrote: You pretty much talked yourself out of that one, then :-) Peter 2008/7/4 Matt Barber [EMAIL PROTECTED]: Hi, just browsing the news and I wanted to send a link to a friend, and was wondering if it would be good to have a switch we could append to the URL, to make the video play automatically. Unsure if this would in some ways be detrimental - i.e. I could then force someone to unwittingly start a video, and at work with the sound up that could cause problems for some people, also maybe it's a feature that noone would use... but yeh, just a thought. As it's said, the signal is the noise! Ta, Matt -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: GnuPG v1.4.6 (GNU/Linux) Comment: Using GnuPG with Mozilla - http://enigmail.mozdev.org iD8DBQFIbgb4QiJ2fWCDT3cRArnVAJ0Wgi5kbHA5BYTg98RO4pBx63EkwACdF/iK yWnszMfbrFtqlvTUJ3rZr+I= =WdIV -END PGP SIGNATURE- - Sent via the backstage.bbc.co.uk discussion group. To unsubscribe, please visit http://backstage.bbc.co.uk/archives/2005/01/mailing_list.html. Unofficial list archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/backstage@lists.bbc.co.uk/
[backstage] Not BBC related - 4IP
Hi, wondering who's seen this: http://www.4ip.org.uk/about Delivering effective, high quality public service media in an increasingly digital age is still pioneer territory and a real challenge ... Channel 4 has decided to take up that challenge in a radical way by forming the 4 Innovation for the Public (4IP) fund. The 4IP Fund aims to deliver publicly valuable content and services on digital media platforms with significant impact and in sustainable ways. It represents one of the biggest and most exciting calls-to-action for new and emergent digital media companies in the UK. Mentioning it because it may open more opportunities to play with content and have fun with technology. I'm looking at it for the first time so don't know much right now, but may see some interesting mashups depending on what is available? So does anyone have any thoughts? I'd rather keep the thread towards the more technical and less political, but you know, any views are welcome. --Matt
Re: [backstage] Date: Thu, 3 Jul 2008 16:40:58 +0100
So... Is Adobe Air any good for developing in? Not tried it but would like to soon, I was considering either a small project in AIR or Gears, would anyone recommend either or the other? I've always liked Flash, so might try something in AIR.
Re: [backstage] Quick idea for BBC News video
Peter Bowyer wrote: You pretty much talked yourself out of that one, then :-) Haha indeed... And don't forget browser restarts. Here's the sound of my Firefox 3 re-opening 50 tabs... http://danbri.org/words/2008/05/02/311 - http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nHsI0UBwh5E Could bring a whole new world to the idea of a rickroll... 'Hey have you seen the latest from BBC News?'...Never gonna give you up!
Re: [backstage] Date: Thu, 3 Jul 2008 16:40:58 +0100
Oops, posted that without a subject and on a new thread... here you are: On Fri, Jul 4, 2008 at 10:53 AM, Dave Crossland [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: 2008/7/4 simon [EMAIL PROTECTED]: Ben's suggestion to allow the people to choose their RIA flavour whether it be AIR, gears or whatever is very sensible. Surely the main thing is that a good idea gets built. Surely the main thing is that we preserve our freedom to understand and share the software we use to do our computation. Using software running on other people's servers to do _our_ computation also tramples our freedom, and this is becoming more common with RIA technology. If your software would keep us divided and helpless, please don't write it. We are better off without it. We will find other ways to use our computers, and preserve our freedom. - http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/technology/7487060.stm Cheers, Dave Personal opinion only. bit of a rant This software by Adobe that makes it easier to deploy cross-platform, desktop apps, and to use AJAX, HTML, Flash, and have it running offline/online - and these skills would be useful in other situations too - seems cool. In regard to the.. discussion that this competition thread has become - this is the double edged sword when such an organisation as the BBC gets involved. Because they are open, friendly and quite frankly damn good I think at letting other people fudge around with their stuff - and listening back too, it is such an understated forum for expression of creative ideas and technological solutions. But as it's publically funded, this gets pushed aside with facts and figures of 'openness' and 'fair' use of 'free' software. Also, the subject of 'free' software alone could fill entire libraries with [philosophical discussion|rants|arguments|insults|etc] - but is this why we are here? I'm here to have fun and to maybe try out some new things, and to read interesting points of view on technology and the BBC. This competition idea introduces a viable, probably robust option, that finally allows multiple platforms to converse and use an app. It might be something people can dig their teeth into, have a bit of fun with, and maybe even god forbid make something useful that people can actually use? Or should we insist that Windows is wrong, Flash is evil and anyone that says otherwise is an idiot? Well call me an idiot, but I love what Flash brought to the table many years ago with it's easy to use scripting and tools, and I actually *enjoy* using Windows on my PC. Hell, I even use Windows Media Player. It may surprise you that I sometimes watch BBC TV and listen to the radio, too... /bit of a rant Please enjoy the freedom to discuss and have a point of view, but it sometimes gets a little ridiculous.
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bit of a rant This software by Adobe that makes it easier to deploy cross-platform, desktop apps, and to use AJAX, HTML, Flash, and have it running offline/online - and these skills would be useful in other situations too - seems cool. In regard to the.. discussion that this competition thread has become - this is the double edged sword when such an organisation as the BBC gets involved. Because they are open, friendly and quite frankly damn good I think at letting other people fudge around with their stuff - and listening back too, it is such an understated forum for expression of creative ideas and technological solutions. But as it's publically funded, this gets pushed aside with facts and figures of 'openness' and 'fair' use of 'free' software. Also, the subject of 'free' software alone could fill entire libraries with [philosophical discussion|rants|arguments|insults|etc] - but is this why we are here? I'm here to have fun and to maybe try out some new things, and to read interesting points of view on technology and the BBC. This competition idea introduces a viable, probably robust option, that finally allows multiple platforms to converse and use an app. It might be something people can dig their teeth into, have a bit of fun with, and maybe even god forbid make something useful that people can actually use? Or should we insist that Windows is wrong, Flash is evil and anyone that says otherwise is an idiot? Well call me an idiot, but I love what Flash brought to the table many years ago with it's easy to use scripting and tools, and I actually *enjoy* using Windows on my PC. Hell, I even use Windows Media Player. It may surprise you that I sometimes watch BBC TV and listen to the radio, too... /bit of a rant Please enjoy the freedom to discuss and have a point of view, but it sometimes gets a little ridiculous.
Re: [backstage] iPlayer 2 - wow!
These go to eleven (from 1:30 for the impatient, but the whole skit is funny): http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=d54UU-fPIsY On Thu, Jul 3, 2008 at 9:46 AM, Rupert Watson [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: But was it to scale? Rupert Watson +44 7787554801 www.root6.com From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto: [EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Robin Cramp Sent: 03 July 2008 09:38 To: 'backstage@lists.bbc.co.uk' Subject: RE: [backstage] iPlayer 2 - wow! The original iPlayer goes to 11 too. Robin Cramp Assistant Producer Quba New Media www.quba.co.uk t:: 0114 279 4920 f:: 0114 272 2854 e: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Belgravia House, 115 Rockingham Street, Sheffield, S1 4EB From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto: [EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Rachel MacTaggart Sent: 03 July 2008 09:31 To: backstage@lists.bbc.co.uk Subject: RE: [backstage] iPlayer 2 - wow! So is it deliberate that the volume on the Iplayer2 goes up to 11? Date: Wed, 2 Jul 2008 16:47:19 +0200 From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: backstage@lists.bbc.co.uk Subject: [backstage] iPlayer 2 - wow! The new iPlayer looks great and seems to work exceptionally well http://www.bbc.co.uk/iplayerbeta/ It all works as advertised here: http://www.bbc.co.uk/emp/iplayerbeta/ Just one tiny little niggle.. if you start listening to a radio programme using RealPlayer (I'm not in the UK right now) and then click to use the pop-out version, the programme starts from the beginning again, whereas it would be more useful if it automatically navigated to the place where you were already at. --- Brian Butterworth http://www.ukfree.tv - independent digital television and switchover advice, since 2002 __ This email has been scanned by the MessageLabs Email Security System. For more information please visit http://www.messagelabs.com/email __ ROOT 6 LIMITED Registered in the UK at 4 WARDOUR MEWS, LONDON W1F 8AJ Company No. 03433253 - Sent via the backstage.bbc.co.uk discussion group. To unsubscribe, please visit http://backstage.bbc.co.uk/archives/2005/01/mailing_list.html. Unofficial list archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/backstage@lists.bbc.co.uk/
Re: [backstage] BBC Widget, nice!
On Wed, Jul 2, 2008 at 2:32 PM, Brian Butterworth [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Just looking at the BBC Widget... Love the blurry slide to read the story! Second that, the blurry effect is very nice.
Re: [backstage] Date: Thu, 3 Jul 2008 16:40:58 +0100
On Thu, Jul 3, 2008 at 4:41 PM, Ian Forrester [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Interesting question to the backstage community... If we ran a competition which required the final prototype to be in Adobe Air, how would people feel about that? There's a run time and SDK for Win, OSx and now gnu/Linux. No problem with that. It's using a new technology and product to encourage development, and the technology is available to end users easily and with little effort, on multiple platforms.
Re: [backstage] Guardian article about iPhone iPlayer
random reply I would like the iPlayer to work on my N95, but I don't think it would have as much impact as the iPhone release, aside from the ease of use that the iPhone tends to give to all activities it provides, the screen is much bigger, warranting the effort to bring the iPlayer to that platform. The N95 does have video output right out of the box, literally the box comes with the cable to connect it up to RCA jacks. Not saying the quality would be at all acceptable on a screen bigger than a postage stamp, but that's a cool feature that I have never used apart from novelty value for 5 minutes. With reliably updated, well sourced material (like the iPlayer), I think more features like that would get used. What would be excellent, is if the N95 could output a higher res to the video out jack. It might be able to when viewing photos, but I doubt video would scale up any higher than it's native screen res. Then we could send decent iPlayer content to it over wifi, and watch it on TV even easier than hooking up a laptop. /random reply (It's been a long day...) :) So has anyone got any thoughts on this, and can think of other devices with video output that could make life easier to watch in the living room, without having to use a laptop? (loving the mashed photos by the way everyone, keep putting them up :)) On Fri, Jun 27, 2008 at 3:22 PM, Arkham.p77 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: The BBC has issued a fix to stop people downloading programmes from the iPlayer website that were intended for streaming on an iPhone or iPod only A fix? But the hack still works.. - Sent via the backstage.bbc.co.uk discussion group. To unsubscribe, please visit http://backstage.bbc.co.uk/archives/2005/01/mailing_list.html. Unofficial list archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/backstage@lists.bbc.co.uk/
[backstage] BBC begins DVB-T2 test transmissions in preparation for HD on Freeview
Anyone had any luck picking this up? I have a HDTV with a Freeview tuner, but have no idea if this is capable of picking up HD over the air... is it ATSC? I'm unsure of the specifics. --Matt
Re: [backstage] BBC begins DVB-T2 test transmissions in preparation for HD on Freeview
On Fri, Jun 27, 2008 at 4:32 PM, David Johnston [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I thought DVB-T2 was still a work-in-progress? Don't think any consumer boxes support it yet. (Or I may be horribly out of date.) -d Not out of date, looks like you're right: Wikipedia says: Status of the DVB-T2 specification (early April 2008) - The DVB-T2 physical layer specification is complete and there will be no further technical enhancements. - The receiver VLSI chip design can be started with confidence in stability of specification (the DVB internal standard document is available to all DVB members including the leading chip companies) - Draft PSI/SI (program and system information) specification document agreed with the DVB-TM-GBS group.
[backstage] As it's friday...
Thought a tasteless joke was in order: Why did the girl fall off the swing? Because somebody threw a fridge at her Any others? (should probably get my coat...)
Re: [backstage] Use visualisations of audio in your mashups!
Alia-currently-typing-this-with-one-finger-while-eating-lunch Alia, what IS for lunch?
Re: [backstage] Techcrunch BBC debate
Thanks Ian, I can't make it so will appreciate the recording. I'll be there recording for those who can't make it. Cheers, - Sent via the backstage.bbc.co.uk discussion group. To unsubscribe, please visit http://backstage.bbc.co.uk/archives/2005/01/mailing_list.html. Unofficial list archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/backstage@lists.bbc.co.uk/
Re: [backstage] More for Mashed
This all sounds so cool, and it's making me rather envious that I'm not going! If I didn't have prior commitments then I would most certainly be there. On Wed, Jun 18, 2008 at 2:19 PM, Simon Thompson [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Seeing as we've got Arduino, ARM, Microsoft Robotics and Goddard Space Flight Centre all turning up to Mashed, we've got you some electronics kit to play with. Expect to find capacitors, resistors, op-amps, 74 series logic, voltage regulators, breadboards, batteries, solder, wire, tools, soldering stations for some good honest sparky fun. It's a bit of a random selection so do feel free to bring your own stuff too. See http://mashed08.backnetwork.com/event/?articleid=31 for more info :-D We'll also be radiating a DVB-T (aka Freeview) signal for you guys to hack around with. We've got some USB DVB-T sticks, some software links and a talk on how to hack DVB-T and MHEG interactive stuff. -- -- *Simon Thompson MEng MIET* Research Engineer (Electronics) PRINCE2TM Registered Practitioner *BBC Future Media and Technology* [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [backstage] Friday humour
Haha always good to have some terrible jokes during the day. In fact this is similar to Friday for me, as I have the rest of the week off to go to Download festival in Derby. Anyone else going? On Tue, Jun 10, 2008 at 11:57 AM, Sean DALY [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: And an arrogant three legged donkey with one eye playing the piano while wearing shades? A hoity toity honky tonky plinky plonky winky wonky.
Re: [backstage] More good news .. BBC to build web page for every TV show, says Jana Bennett
Yeh, this way it will also be easier (if they implement it, which I hope they do) to find iPlayer episodes via the programme page rather than iplayer interface. On Tue, Jun 10, 2008 at 3:18 PM, Brian Butterworth [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: http://www.guardian.co.uk/media/2008/jun/10/bbc.digitalmedia BBC to build web page for every TV show, says Jana Bennett A brilliant idea by the sounds of things. B
Re: [backstage] An alternative iPlayer interface for the Wii
Great to know it works well now. It's often the case that changing a setting or two will help many problems, saves buying extra hardware too. Out of interest, is there a feature on the Wii to connect up an external wifi aerial anywhere? I saw they had capability for the old gamecube controllers, nice touch that. Thanks for that, the wifi on my wii now speeds along - can watch iPlayer no problem!
Re: [backstage] An alternative iPlayer interface for the Wii
You could use it on the PC and compare signal strength before/after relocating the access point, but yeh I overlooked the fact that moving the Wii wouldn't show up on a PC running it... Also, have you a xbox 360 nearby? The wireless controller antenna on it spews out loads of 2.4GHz everywhere and can damage a wifi connection, even when it's off but plugged in. On Fri, Jun 6, 2008 at 4:34 PM, Tom Hannen [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: But wouldn't you need Netstumbler for the Wii, if the problem is the Wii's Weedy Wifi chip?
[backstage] Friday humour
Maybe time for some Friday humour, so I will begin: What is a shitzu? (you all reply: It's a dog!) Nah, it's a zoo with no animals in it HAHAHA Feel free to add to (or mute) this thread to make Fridays go a little faster. ./Matt
Re: [backstage] proxy support in BBC iplayer download client
Can't you send all traffic through port 80/443 anyway, using the proxy transparently to filter traffic. You could then allow the Kontiki traffic in the proxy ruleset? On Fri, Jun 6, 2008 at 10:09 AM, Graham Donaldson [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hi all, I'm new to this list, so hello to everyone on it first of all. I work for a large schools broadband provider for a local authority. School's all use proxy servers for security/safety reasons, but would like to be able to download programmes. I can't see anywhere where one can set the client to use a proxy server in the BBC Iplayer download client. I've no problem opening the various outbound Kontiki ports, but I do not want to have to open ports 80/443, as these are locked down so that children must use the filtered access provided by the proxy server at each school. Graham - Sent via the backstage.bbc.co.uk discussion group. To unsubscribe, please visit http://backstage.bbc.co.uk/archives/2005/01/mailing_list.html. Unofficial list archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/backstage@lists.bbc.co.uk/
Re: [backstage] proxy support in BBC iplayer download client
Good idea :) For now, i've opened port 80/443 to the BBC IP ranges as that seems to be where the HTTP/HTTPS requests are all headed, and I trust the BBC ip range to be sending us safe traffic.
Re: [backstage] An alternative iPlayer interface for the Wii
I've seen that changing the channel to a few down the line helps, so if it's on 1 or 3, try 6 or 9/vice versa. If you want to try this also you can download NetStumbler [1] and look at the graph, then you can change your settings and compare results in different parts of your house based on signal strength. There's also a sound you can activate so you don't have to be near your PC to see if the strength has increased or not. If you need to know how to set that up give me a shout. Other tips are to disable encryption (not really recommended), that uses overhead... rotate the Wii so the antenna changes orientation, that sort of thing I guess. [1] - NetStumbler - http://www.netstumbler.com/downloads/ Any pointers?
Re: [backstage] BBC Look East HTML rich newsletter
Hello there, I'm a journalist working for BBC East in Norwich and I've joined this mailing list to get advice and guidance - and possibly some ideas - about a project I've been working on for the last 6 months. With the backing of my bosses at Look East and BBC English regions, I've designed, developed and launched a new graphics-rich e-mail newsletter which we now send out each day to about 2000 or so subscribers. Yeh sure I'll sign up and take a look, this is a cool idea to generate a more dynamic and 'live' newsletter.
Re: [backstage] BBC Look East HTML rich newsletter
On Thu, Jun 5, 2008 at 9:39 AM, Sean DALY [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: If I may add my 2 cents, I think e-mail newsletters should always have a text-only option with a link to the graphics-rich version. I am subscribed to fairly vast number of newsletters and I generally don't read them, I search them for keywords (filters or manually). Plain text are ideal as a lowest common denominator for portable gadgets; easy to forward plain text newsletters to my work or personal e-mail accounts and read the graphics-rich versions on comfortable screens. And, for the security-conscious (I am thinking of my aging personal Windows box but also Google mail which scrubs images by default), plain text offers a far more secure way to receive a flood of mail with the rich version just an extra click away. Sean, I agree with this because I too like to read over quick information and then go further if a story interests me, usually to the website directly. But also it's important in my opinion to consider pushing this forward a little to take advantage of the faster connections and computers around now, to enhance experience and to provide newer, if not more effective - at least more interesting and engaging - content. Maybe the newsletter format isn't for this, as you say, text works really well on portables, they're cross compatible with everyone and importantly more secure. For me, newsletters offer a decent bridge between the inbox (where I pay a lot of attention) and the site's content. There's a fine line between interesting (click and visit the site), and slow, irrelevant and cumbersome (ignore and delete). Too much rich content can cross this line - but a little well used rich content can also work in favour too. This is why criticism is important I reckon especially in the early stages.
[backstage] BBC Three and CBeebies information
Hi everyone, I'm interested in putting together some information on the growth and popularity of various websites and genres of content, and am specifically interested in CBeebies and BBC Three. Does anyone have any recent specific / ballpark figures for visitors or page impressions on these BBC sites? I can find some data based around the whole BBC site, but nothing specific to these properties. Also if you have any information based on growth - i.e. previous figures that I can compare to the latest, that would be great too. Reply on or off list, whichever you feel is more appropriate, and any feedback is most appreciated. Thanks, Matt
Re: [backstage] BBC Three and CBeebies information
Thanks a lot Brian, much appreciated. --Matt On Thu, Jun 5, 2008 at 12:16 PM, Brian Butterworth [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Matt, See page 20 of this PDF http://www.bbc.co.uk/bbctrust/assets/files/pdf/regulatory_framework/service_licences/service_reviews/report_bbc.co.uk_review.pdf 2008/6/5 Matt Barber [EMAIL PROTECTED]: Hi everyone, I'm interested in putting together some information on the growth and popularity of various websites and genres of content, and am specifically interested in CBeebies and BBC Three. Does anyone have any recent specific / ballpark figures for visitors or page impressions on these BBC sites? I can find some data based around the whole BBC site, but nothing specific to these properties. Also if you have any information based on growth - i.e. previous figures that I can compare to the latest, that would be great too. Reply on or off list, whichever you feel is more appropriate, and any feedback is most appreciated. Thanks, Matt -- Please email me back if you need any more help. Brian Butterworth http://www.ukfree.tv - independent digital television and switchover advice, since 2002
Re: [backstage] BBC Look East HTML rich newsletter
Matt, Just received an edition of your newsletter, thought I'd give you some quick feedback on it from first impressions. I tried to jump in and write now because first impressions for me are what stick and are important, so just straight from looking at it (I will be picky but thats what you want right?): * Nice layout with the title and blurb, dropdown links on the right are a nice touch - I would reduce the amount of whitespace between the 'Weather in your area' and the dropdown, and so on for the other dropdowns. May make it too cluttered however, give it a try and see. * Good placement of the 08457 number advert, captures my eye well and sets the scene for the video content - makes me think it's new and updated quickly. * I would give 2px or so space between the right edge of the thumbnail for the video and the descriptive text. This was rendered in gMail. I have Thunderbird installed so will check that out later to see if anything changes. Hope that was constructive! --Matt
Re: [backstage] MPs eye cash spent on BBC iPlayer
On Thu, May 15, 2008 at 5:34 PM, Brian Butterworth [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: http://www.manchestereveningnews.co.uk/news/s/1049409_mps_eye_cash_spent_on_bbc_iplayer I love the comment ' maybe the MP's should be looking at them selfs, they waste a lot more money than this, and they are useless, at least the iPlayer has a use and works! ' --- Yeh that comment is a good one, and well said too. I am a great fan of the iPlayer, and for sure it has caused many cases of unrest and change in the media and Internet industry - but so it should. It's an innovative product, allows many people to change the way they view TV, and has helped the industry realise they may need to change to allow more like this to continue. - Sent via the backstage.bbc.co.uk discussion group. To unsubscribe, please visit http://backstage.bbc.co.uk/archives/2005/01/mailing_list.html. Unofficial list archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/backstage@lists.bbc.co.uk/
Re: [backstage] Zattoo - live streaming BBC channels
On Tue, May 13, 2008 at 2:02 PM, Brian Butterworth [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: http://zattoo.com/ http://informitv.com/articles/2008/05/09/zattooclaimscopyright/ Zattoo, which is now offering live online streams of the leading British terrestrial television channels, is claiming it has the right to do so under the United Kingdom Copyright Act. Zattoo says it operates strictly legitimately on the basis of agreements with broadcasters and the copyright law but the British broadcasters say they have no agreements with the streaming startup company. The law seems ambiguous at best. Interesting stuff. I can see how retransmission is a good thing but only through the right channels - i.e. if I were to provide content to the BBC or ITV, I would like it to be transmitted professionally and with a good level of quality. Any views on this? - Sent via the backstage.bbc.co.uk discussion group. To unsubscribe, please visit http://backstage.bbc.co.uk/archives/2005/01/mailing_list.html. Unofficial list archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/backstage@lists.bbc.co.uk/
Re: [backstage] Freesat: open platform AND iPlayer
Fingers crossed they are :D Can't wait to see the first hacks for freesat receivers! Yeh! If they have a little power left over in them after the decoding takes place, a nice little hack would be online radio, like shoutcast. - Sent via the backstage.bbc.co.uk discussion group. To unsubscribe, please visit http://backstage.bbc.co.uk/archives/2005/01/mailing_list.html. Unofficial list archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/backstage@lists.bbc.co.uk/
Re: [backstage] Stephen Fry: There is this marvellous idea the iPlayer is secure. It's anything but secure
Didn't think of it like that, good points On Thu, May 8, 2008 at 10:34 AM, Tom Loosemore [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Good example of how the world looks *very* different if you're a rights holder currently making money from your secondary rights... even a rights holder as clued up as Fry - Sent via the backstage.bbc.co.uk discussion group. To unsubscribe, please visit http://backstage.bbc.co.uk/archives/2005/01/mailing_list.html. Unofficial list archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/backstage@lists.bbc.co.uk/
Re: [backstage] The future of the internet
It's interesting the way the Facebook can pull data from other systems (ie, your email contacts list) but has no export. I thought about writing one, I wondered if I would get blocked from doing it... I *think* as long as you're logged in as you, and they are your contacts, I don't see why not - because you could essentially go through and write each one down on paper, or copy/paste the data. So getting your own bot to do it doesn't seem that bad? One thing however, the email addresses are rendered in graphical form on profile pages, so a bit of OCR would be required. But do share your results if you try it. Also take a look at Facedown, little app to download your facebook albums: http://www.vincentcheung.ca/facedown/ - Sent via the backstage.bbc.co.uk discussion group. To unsubscribe, please visit http://backstage.bbc.co.uk/archives/2005/01/mailing_list.html. Unofficial list archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/backstage@lists.bbc.co.uk/
Re: [backstage] Anyone got a Eee PC 2G Surf/Linux CD?
I wonder if that is going to work? I'm intrigued, please share what happens! - Sent via the backstage.bbc.co.uk discussion group. To unsubscribe, please visit http://backstage.bbc.co.uk/archives/2005/01/mailing_list.html. Unofficial list archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/backstage@lists.bbc.co.uk/
Re: [backstage] Ashley Highfield leaves BBC (almost)
There would be lots more beanbags, for one thing. I think beanbags and hammocks should be available in more offices. And perhaps more beer fridges... May lower productivity slightly... - Sent via the backstage.bbc.co.uk discussion group. To unsubscribe, please visit http://backstage.bbc.co.uk/archives/2005/01/mailing_list.html. Unofficial list archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/backstage@lists.bbc.co.uk/
Re: [backstage] Ashley Highfield leaves BBC (almost)
Last.fm has the ballpit (with webcams) and the BPI has the free beer, I think that's reason enough for the Beeb to implement them both as sensible employee-centric policies. Google office in Amsterdam has a slide going to the cafeteria, also a fireman's pole... Free food too...! - Sent via the backstage.bbc.co.uk discussion group. To unsubscribe, please visit http://backstage.bbc.co.uk/archives/2005/01/mailing_list.html. Unofficial list archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/backstage@lists.bbc.co.uk/
Re: [backstage] Ashley Highfield leaves BBC (almost)
Surely you'd want firemens' poles and slides like Google in Switzerland?? Switzerland, not Amsterdam. I was thinking of the Cisco Amsterdam office, where I think they have a dog on campus - Sent via the backstage.bbc.co.uk discussion group. To unsubscribe, please visit http://backstage.bbc.co.uk/archives/2005/01/mailing_list.html. Unofficial list archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/backstage@lists.bbc.co.uk/
Re: [backstage] XBox Media Center iPlayer Plugin
The reason this was developed so quickly (and it appeared within days of the iPhone version being released) is that XBMC has its own really powerful python scripting framework which hooks into its existing media playback capabilities. This makes it really easy for developers to knock out client scripts for various streaming media sources all over the web. Media playback on Wii has so far been limited to video being transcoded to Flash Video (ironically, in this case) and streamed from a dedicated server machine within your own network to the Opera browser on it. I'm not sure what UPnP has to do with any of this... Iain Just saying that if you have a script or framework for pulling MPEG4 streams from the iPlayer servers, it could be used by a uPnP capable server running on a machine that the 360 can connect to, enabling iPlayer on the 360. Just a thought... - Sent via the backstage.bbc.co.uk discussion group. To unsubscribe, please visit http://backstage.bbc.co.uk/archives/2005/01/mailing_list.html. Unofficial list archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/backstage@lists.bbc.co.uk/
Re: [backstage] Web Semantics - Slicing The Cake
On Tue, Apr 1, 2008 at 12:49 PM, A Agutter Pineapple Blue [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Planning When Developing (Current Topic BBC Dimensions). The current subject in the group is in relation to the display dimensions. After years and years of research, the optimal size is 800 x 600 and you need to build to that size and standard. The BBC needs to build 800 x 600 to ensure a starting point for cross platform compatibility. Especially in relation to the little people and our more senior members of the community who we must not forget who suffer from sight. These points are valid - But I am a believer in taking things forward, and not getting stuck with 800x600 because the aforementioned research says so... The name escapes me, I think it was on the BBC Blog, saying that 95% of users are on 1024 and up. That's some research you can't really ignore... I agree fully that it's important to consider those with sight problems, as well as all other difficulties that may stop them from equally and easily accessing information on the Internet. But it is also important in my opinion to consider this generation of Internet users, and to become engaging, to embrace methods to carry stories forward more effectively than text can itself, with mediums of sound, video, and utilizing larger screens and processing power. To say we need to stay behind to allow everyone to keep up, is similar to saying we need to compress all our images to 16 colour because not everyone has upgraded yet. (Bit of an extreme example, but it kind of works right?) Sure, accompany this new content with innovation to help users with sight problems, by offering accessible pages, screen reader compatibility, audio news and so on. Offer closed captions to people with hearing difficulties, which is already appearing on some BBC media - an awesome feature that I hope rolls out to every video. Are you saying that you like the change (moving forward in regard to design and functionality etc.) but you would like to see more compatibility be introduced? Maybe in the form of alternative versions? ./Matt - Sent via the backstage.bbc.co.uk discussion group. To unsubscribe, please visit http://backstage.bbc.co.uk/archives/2005/01/mailing_list.html. Unofficial list archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/backstage@lists.bbc.co.uk/
Re: [backstage] New BBC News site
Look at any of the Featured videos on YouTube today... They're all really good.. - Sent via the backstage.bbc.co.uk discussion group. To unsubscribe, please visit http://backstage.bbc.co.uk/archives/2005/01/mailing_list.html. Unofficial list archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/backstage@lists.bbc.co.uk/
[backstage] [Backstage] New BBC News site
When did this go live?! The black bar at the top will have to grow on me... are there any plans to do anything else with that, other than a search box? ./Matt - Sent via the backstage.bbc.co.uk discussion group. To unsubscribe, please visit http://backstage.bbc.co.uk/archives/2005/01/mailing_list.html. Unofficial list archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/backstage@lists.bbc.co.uk/
Re: [backstage] Embracing the torrent of online video
I can assure you that Digibeta is still widely (but decreasingly) used within the BBC, too. :-) Tapeless Production is still a work in progress. (http://www.bbc.co.uk/rd/projects/tapeless-production/index.shtml) Yeah I saw some stuff about tapeless production when I read about Dirac last year, is it true that it is in use internally to shift some content around the BBC? - Sent via the backstage.bbc.co.uk discussion group. To unsubscribe, please visit http://backstage.bbc.co.uk/archives/2005/01/mailing_list.html. Unofficial list archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/backstage@lists.bbc.co.uk/
Re: [backstage] Fun with your mobile
Just had a go on my N95 and it works very well. Downloading a podcast as we speak. On Fri, Mar 14, 2008 at 12:24 PM, Phil Wilson [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Here's a quick exclusive for the Backstage list. If you own a Nokia N95, or a Playstation PSP, you might wish to visit http://www.bbc.co.uk/podcasts on your device. Very nice! - Sent via the backstage.bbc.co.uk discussion group. To unsubscribe, please visit http://backstage.bbc.co.uk/archives/2005/01/mailing_list.html. Unofficial list archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/backstage@lists.bbc.co.uk/
Re: [backstage] iPlayer DRM is over?
We've released a fix to prevent unrestricted downloading of streamed TV programmes on BBC iPlayer. It's official! The BBC are that stupid. I doubt your new system is as secure as you think so yelling We've fixed it nah nah nah is going to make some people crack it just to show you up. I on the other hand I am looking at the legal avenues. Is the E.U. Commission for Competition busy at the moment? Like other broadcasters, the security of rights-protected content online is an issue we take very seriously. Not so seriously you would actually consult any security experts (or hire any) or follow industry best practice for security systems, but seriously none the less. It's also a pity you don't take the BBC Charter, the BBC Trust or E.U. Competition Law quite as seriously! In my opinion it looks like a way to get more content to some rather than none. Slowly hopefully we will see more devices become officially supported. It's obvious that these protection methods aren't put in place with a view that they will completely stop the download of material 'illegally' or against rights contracts, but if they are in place, then we should respect that they are there for a reason. Who knows what red tape exists inbetween the developers and the beurocrats at the BBC - I'm thinking a lot, and it will take time for this to move forward. That doesn't mean I'm not enjoying all the cool ideas that are coming together to grab content using this method, just that if the momentum picks up on any of them, it will most likely be stopped. Content rights holders just aren't willing to take up the notion that if you give people what they want, it might just succeed...
Re: [backstage] iPlayer DRM is over?
Care to take a stab at the relative amount of UK Linux users compared with the number of iPhone users? I rest my case. This is an interesting point. I am all for open standards and software, but also feel I should consider all aspects - including ones out of the control of the immediate want to free these media files so everyone can watch them... It would be nice, but right now, it doesn't look feasible. From a marketing point of view (from which I know little about but... will comment on anyway..) - having the BBC providing the iPhone with services is quite 'cool' for the market, it's moving forward but albeit perhaps in the wrong way. What would be great is if an open standards method were to be developed, with a custom skin, look and feel for our most popular devices, iPhone, nokia mobiles and so on.
Re: [backstage] iPlayer DRM is over?
Wrong - the door is open with a welcome sign because all the progs are broadcast first of all on TV without DRM. Adding DRM later on is just a meaningless waste of money. If people want to get content online, they can and they will. This is irrelevant really because we're after a legal, long standing solution. Uploading rips of torchwood to youtube is illegal. Not saying it's not done, but it's still not what we're after here is it?
Re: [backstage] Own up now, who was this?
Haha On Mon, Mar 10, 2008 at 6:36 PM, Iain Wallace [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: http://dumpedimage.com/?image=843 :D - Sent via the backstage.bbc.co.uk discussion group. To unsubscribe, please visit http://backstage.bbc.co.uk/archives/2005/01/mailing_list.html. Unofficial list archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/backstage@lists.bbc.co.uk/
Re: [backstage] Is it just me, or is some stereo audio on BBC chans (Freeview) out of phase?
Have you tried two different freeview receivers? Could it be something strange going on in hardware, or delay introduced on speaker setup / processing? On Thu, Mar 6, 2008 at 1:08 PM, Steve Jolly [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Christopher Woods wrote: Can you give an exact channel, date and time when you observed the phenomenon? (03:59 GMT last night on N24, perhaps?) Definitely. Observable on BBC2 last night/this morning (05/03/2008) during the intro for Spin (03:44am). Also observable during the 60second countdown buffer for N24 top of the hour (4am). I can send MPEG2 files if you want (direct streamrip, advantage of having USB DTV receiver). I have access to DTT stream recordings. :-) I took a look at the N24 music you mentioned. Listening to it, there's a very clear difference in the stereo characteristic of the sound between the (virtually mono) talking head segments on either side of the music, and a lesser difference between the music at the end of the special report and the N24 countdown in question. Converting the stereo to mid/side encoding and listening to the new channels separately, the side channel contains virtually no LF component, whereas the mid-channel contains plenty - you'd expect them to contain roughly the same amount if the signal had been subjected to a 90 degree phase offset, and you'd expect all the low frequencies to be concentrated in the side channel in the case of a 180 degree phase inversion. So at the moment, I don't see any evidence for an overall phase error, I'm afraid - at least for the one section of audio I've had a look at. :-) The difference in the characteristic of the sound that I can hear could simply be due to the transition between dead-centre mono speech and a very complex bit of music with a broad sound stage. S - Sent via the backstage.bbc.co.uk discussion group. To unsubscribe, please visit http://backstage.bbc.co.uk/archives/2005/01/mailing_list.html. Unofficial list archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/backstage@lists.bbc.co.uk/
Re: [backstage] Fwd: [Gnash-dev] EFF: Adobe Pushes DRM for Flash
Time after time I see threads on here turn into nasty flames, it's a shame because the people involved usually have intelligent, well mannered opinions, and that's what I'd like to read... Everyone has indifferences but can't we enjoy and discuss each other's opinion rather than reject it? Just seems to be a lot of good points put down and replaced with arguments on this list lately and maybe it's time for everyone to take a step back and try to be a little more.. I don't know, calm maybe? Just a thought..
Re: [backstage] Adobe fuses on and offline worlds
Of course the BBC has a duty to educate. The use of proprietary protocols/formats is a direct contradiction to this duty. How can we educate people when we can not even tell them how things work. I can see where your coming from in regard to the software that runs the platforms to deliver content - but aren't we overlooking another function of the BBC here, and that's to educate everyone, not just the guys (and girls) that like to look at the code and generate the apps. It's also important to consider everyone who just likes to turn on their TV and watch something, and go on the news website and check out the top stories. I'm not saying it's bad or good to use open-source - I like the idea of open and free software, but sometimes non-free software can do a great job too. But in a wider sense - yes, the education of function is certainly more important than the function itself - if that function is to continue evolving and improving.
Re: [backstage] Adobe fuses on and offline worlds
So to put this thread back on track, does anyone have any experience with Air? Developing or using? On Thu, Feb 28, 2008 at 5:44 PM, Michael [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Thursday 28 February 2008 15:58:08 Dave Crossland wrote: Even if I choose to use a proprietary program on a open source operating system. Sorry, I'm not wrong, Sorry, you agree not to share with me, which is wrong. *plonk* Michael. - Sent via the backstage.bbc.co.uk discussion group. To unsubscribe, please visit http://backstage.bbc.co.uk/archives/2005/01/mailing_list.html. Unofficial list archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/backstage@lists.bbc.co.uk/
Re: [backstage] Adobe fuses on and offline worlds
On Mon, Feb 25, 2008 at 7:22 PM, Ian Forrester [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/technology/7254436.stm Adobe Air allows developers to build tools that still have some functionality even when a computer is no longer connected to the net. A free download will allow users of Macs, PCs and, later this year, Linux machines to run any Air applications. The BBC is also building prototype applications with AIR. The nice thing about it is that it works on all the different platforms - Mac, PC and eventually Linux, said John O'Donovan, chief architect in the BBC's Future Media and Technology Journalism division. So what do people think? I saw this at FOWA last year, at the time I saw it as a bit of a backwards step as far as encouraging fully blown webapps - but looking at it now it could have it's advantages. Be nice to have a gMail that works offline but without a client, for example - but I wonder how much 'client' one has to download to get an air app to work. I have a trial CD around somewhere, if I get a spare few hours I will have a look at it.
Re: [backstage] HD-DVD / Blu Ray
I don't know if it would make good business sense, but wouldn't it be good if Sony came in right now and said 'hey all you HD-DVD deck buyers - come swap it for a blu-ray deck for free/subsidised price'. Could even swap it for a PS3, increasing game sales while they were at it. Don't think the people that bought a shiny new deck to sit under their TV would want a PS3 instead though. On Fri, Feb 22, 2008 at 11:39 AM, Michael [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Friday 22 February 2008 08:03:43 Brian Butterworth wrote: Is the BBC Shop going to swap defunt HD-DVD for BR versions? Why would they (or any shop) do that? It'd perhaps be a nice gesture, but hardly a way to run a business - I'd be really surprised if (for example) WH Smith offered to do that. I don't seem to recall that ever happening with the wreckage from any other technology war... Mind you, this really is the wrong place to ask that question - why don't you mail them and ask? (they are a commercial entity run seperately from the rest of the BBC after all) Michael. - Sent via the backstage.bbc.co.uk discussion group. To unsubscribe, please visit http://backstage.bbc.co.uk/archives/2005/01/mailing_list.html. Unofficial list archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/backstage@lists.bbc.co.uk/ - Sent via the backstage.bbc.co.uk discussion group. To unsubscribe, please visit http://backstage.bbc.co.uk/archives/2005/01/mailing_list.html. Unofficial list archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/backstage@lists.bbc.co.uk/
Re: [backstage] HD-DVD / Blu Ray
These are all good points - I like the idea of the HD-DVD trade in when you buy a playstation 3. I haven't got either format yet - I have an HDTV, but at the moment use it more as a PC screen than anything :\. Might get a blu-ray drive for my PC. What about the rumours of a blu-ray drive for the 360 emerging in a few months? It's all hear-say but I can't tell what marketing Microsoft may pull out of their hats considering the shift in attention to bluray. On Fri, Feb 22, 2008 at 12:42 PM, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Could be good marketing if they can make it cost effective. How many people bought HD-DVD anyway... presumably not /that/ many or the format wouldn't have gone belly up. -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Behalf Of Matt Barber Sent: 22 February 2008 11:58 To: backstage@lists.bbc.co.uk Subject: Re: [backstage] HD-DVD / Blu Ray I don't know if it would make good business sense, but wouldn't it be good if Sony came in right now and said 'hey all you HD-DVD deck buyers - come swap it for a blu-ray deck for free/subsidised price'. Could even swap it for a PS3, increasing game sales while they were at it. Don't think the people that bought a shiny new deck to sit under their TV would want a PS3 instead though. On Fri, Feb 22, 2008 at 11:39 AM, Michael [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Friday 22 February 2008 08:03:43 Brian Butterworth wrote: Is the BBC Shop going to swap defunt HD-DVD for BR versions? Why would they (or any shop) do that? It'd perhaps be a nice gesture, but hardly a way to run a business - I'd be really surprised if (for example) WH Smith offered to do that. I don't seem to recall that ever happening with the wreckage from any other technology war... Mind you, this really is the wrong place to ask that question - why don't you mail them and ask? (they are a commercial entity run seperately from the rest of the BBC after all) Michael. - Sent via the backstage.bbc.co.uk discussion group. To unsubscribe, please visit http://backstage.bbc.co.uk/archives/2005/01/mailing_list.html. Unofficial list archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/backstage@lists.bbc.co.uk/ - Sent via the backstage.bbc.co.uk discussion group. To unsubscribe, please visit http://backstage.bbc.co.uk/archives/2005/01/mailing_list.html. Unofficial list archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/backstage@lists.bbc.co.uk/ - Sent via the backstage.bbc.co.uk discussion group. To unsubscribe, please visit http://backstage.bbc.co.uk/archives/2005/01/mailing_list.html. Unofficial list archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/backstage@lists.bbc.co.uk/ - Sent via the backstage.bbc.co.uk discussion group. To unsubscribe, please visit http://backstage.bbc.co.uk/archives/2005/01/mailing_list.html. Unofficial list archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/backstage@lists.bbc.co.uk/
[backstage] HD-DVD / Blu Ray
Toshiba drops out of HD DVD war - http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/business/7252172.stm What does everyone think? I thought they would keep this going for longer. - Sent via the backstage.bbc.co.uk discussion group. To unsubscribe, please visit http://backstage.bbc.co.uk/archives/2005/01/mailing_list.html. Unofficial list archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/backstage@lists.bbc.co.uk/
Re: [backstage] HD-DVD / Blu Ray
On Feb 19, 2008 1:42 PM, Davy Mitchell [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Feb 19, 2008 1:18 PM, Matt Barber [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: What does everyone think? I thought they would keep this going for longer. You know, I always read Blu Ray as Blur-ry... ;-) !! Not having big screen, DVD is more than good enough for me. How long will regular DVD last? Davy -- Davy Mitchell Blog - http://www.latedecember.co.uk/sites/personal/davy/ Twitter - http://twitter.com/daftspaniel Skype - daftspaniel needgod.com - Sent via the backstage.bbc.co.uk discussion group. To unsubscribe, please visit http://backstage.bbc.co.uk/archives/2005/01/mailing_list.html. Unofficial list archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/backstage@lists.bbc.co.uk/ That's an interesting point. I think that while DVD production will continue for mainstream films for a long while - the long tail of niche and genre specific film will continue for even longer, because filming, mastering and producing for SD DVD is so much cheaper than HD right now. I got myself a HDTV last month and I'm really pleased with the quality of regular DVDs when played through an xbox360 connected via VGA, it upscales. From a consumer point of view, this news interests me because it helps me decide what HD format to go with if I were to buy a player. - Sent via the backstage.bbc.co.uk discussion group. To unsubscribe, please visit http://backstage.bbc.co.uk/archives/2005/01/mailing_list.html. Unofficial list archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/backstage@lists.bbc.co.uk/
Re: [backstage] HD-DVD / Blu Ray
On Feb 19, 2008 3:51 PM, Sean DALY [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: The deck makers don't mind giving you control, but the disc sellers do. That spam bit of FBI warning (means a lot in France) is Hollywood, terrified that they will suffer by not offering consumers what they want (cf.: the music industry). In both cases the basic model has been to upgrade physical record formats every few years then laugh all the way to the bank. They should have taken a clue from the failure of Super Audio CD. Consumers readily understand the advantages in investing in a new widescreen telly to better view their 80 or 100 DVDs, but the idea of replacing all those films yet again, after VHS (or Beta)?? True that replacing all those films would be annoying - but the blu-ray/HD players are backwards compatible to DVD. That's the good thing about this particular evolution in format, is that the form factor has remained the same. I'm not sure about the cases however, they look like they might be a different shape? But anyway, it's a nicer transition than, say, to BETA, where we had a completely different tape etc. On Feb 19, 2008 4:26 PM, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: What I /heart/ about the pre-2K bit of plastic is the way it takes control over your TV/DVD and insists that you watch the copyright notices and it tries to thrust the 'don't copy videos' advert on to you. Why should any company have the right to stop you using your own DVD controls and force you to watch the messages it demands that you watch. It 'steals' your electricity and screen time to display its messages and if you tot up all the hours people waste waiting to have control over their DVDs then you realise that it wastes a lot of energy and is anything but green. Wonder why this imposition hasn't been challenged in the courts. It is a small but very annoying thing. -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Behalf Of Ian Smith (Irascian Ltd) Sent: 19 February 2008 14:17 To: backstage@lists.bbc.co.uk Subject: RE: [backstage] HD-DVD / Blu Ray Yup. Presumably, in this ridiculous Must buy into the latest hype even if the technology really isn't up to the job and it's totally impractical world we live in people will happily wait several hours after deciding they want to watch a movie for their movie to download instead of just inserting that pre-2K bit of plastic that starts up immediately. Michael Bay famously declared that HD-DVD was introduced by Microsoft as a deliberate spoiler to Blu-Ray to ensure failure of that format and eventual success of the download high def format they were really after. Clearly the ravings of a lunatic who hasn't enjoyed the picture quality of a broadcast on a stuttering iPlayer on an 8MB broadband connection! Ian (happy to be fighting over a comb if the alternative is either watching postage stamp sized movies on a phone or enjoying artefacting and poor quality that is the Sky HD service). From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Brian Butterworth Sent: 19 February 2008 13:55 To: backstage@lists.bbc.co.uk Subject: Re: [backstage] HD-DVD / Blu Ray On 19/02/2008, Matt Barber [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Toshiba drops out of HD DVD war - http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/business/7252172.stm What does everyone think? I thought they would keep this going for longer. Bald men fighting over a comb. Now one one them can scrape their scalp to their heart's content. Putting data onto bits of plastic is so pre-2K... - Sent via the backstage.bbc.co.uk discussion group. To unsubscribe, please visit http://backstage.bbc.co.uk/archives/2005/01/mailing_list.html. Unofficial list archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/backstage@lists.bbc.co.uk/ -- Please email me back if you need any more help. Brian Butterworth http://www.ukfree.tv - Sent via the backstage.bbc.co.uk discussion group. To unsubscribe, please visit http://backstage.bbc.co.uk/archives/2005/01/mailing_list.html. Unofficial list archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/backstage@lists.bbc.co.uk/ - Sent via the backstage.bbc.co.uk discussion group. To unsubscribe, please visit http://backstage.bbc.co.uk/archives/2005/01/mailing_list.html. Unofficial list archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/backstage@lists.bbc.co.uk/
Re: BBC Three simulcasting on the web (Was: RE: [backstage] Livestation)
Yeh I like those listings! Beats the current now and next stuff! 2008/2/12 Brian Butterworth [EMAIL PROTECTED]: Isn't http://www.bbc.co.uk/bbcthree/tvlistings/ rather good too? On 12/02/2008, Christopher Woods [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: And, while we're on the subject of streaming TV... *BBC Three's being simulcast in Flash now!* (I guess to be integrated into /iPlayer at a later date once the kinks have been worked out, because it's certainly using the same player and streaming platform.) This sneaked out the door while I wasn't looking! For others: *http://www.bbc.co.uk/bbcthree/livearena/*http://www.bbc.co.uk/bbcthree/livearena/ (found purely by chance via BBC Internet blog post talking about new BBC Three web site). Streaming in Flash, hopefully will make its way to codec-based streaming soon (so I can watch it on my WM6-based phone in WMV format!) *And*, while we're on the subject of BBC Three: does anybody know (BBC bods or otherwise) if the Three blobs will ever make a comeback (online or otherwise)? I can definitely say that the Woods household misses them already, it was sad seeing them sing so long, fare well, auf wiedersehn goodbye before Two Pints on Sunday ;'( - an online archive of all the idents would be ace, and would Add Value too. (buzzword checkbox: √) -- *From:* [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto: [EMAIL PROTECTED] *On Behalf Of *Brian Butterworth *Sent:* 12 February 2008 21:18 *To:* backstage@lists.bbc.co.uk *Subject:* Re: [backstage] Livestation It's worked OK on the PCs I have tried. Al Jazera was slower to start than News 24, and the French channels work. I was a bit disappointed - but not surprised - to find BBC World Service than BBC World. It's ahead of the News 24 Windows Media stream, which is interesting. On 12/02/2008, Christopher Woods [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Indeed, I just received my account activation email (months after I signed up!) but I had been piggybacking on someone else's shared UID occasionally (it might've even been Brian who gave me access!) - which was useful, but I lost all the configs anyway when my laptop broke in November. Just installing this latest build onto my laptop now, hopefully the quality's not decreased since I last used it :) And, knowing me, I'll end up blogging about it instead of doing work tonight, I have a bad habit of doing that. Isn't procrastination fun. ...I'm doing it already! -- *From:* [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto: [EMAIL PROTECTED] *On Behalf Of *Brian Butterworth *Sent:* 12 February 2008 19:00 *To:* backstage@lists.bbc.co.uk *Subject:* [backstage] Livestation I've just had an update on the LiveStation product. It's a kind of live TV streaming IPTV product, and now has a choice of channels. http://www.livestation.com/account/download Brian Butterworth http://www.ukfree.tv -- Please email me back if you need any more help. Brian Butterworth http://www.ukfree.tv -- Please email me back if you need any more help. Brian Butterworth http://www.ukfree.tv
Re: [backstage] BBC News
Strange isn't it! Well the weekend begins soon so perhaps I should see what happens Monday ;) On Jan 25, 2008 4:34 PM, Ciaran Hamilton [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On 1/25/08, Darren Stephens [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Check to see what MIME types your browser is sending out in HTTP Accept when you make a request (Firebug might help). It could be that you are sending accept application/xml+html which is letting you get mobile HTML (WML 2.0 XHTML) back instead of the vanilla type. For reference, for me (who's seeing the site properly), http://www.ioerror.us/ip/headers tells me I'm sending: Accept: text/xml,application/xml,application/xhtml+xml,text/html;q=0.9 ,text/plain;q=0.8,image/png,*/*;q=0.5 Only without the newline if my client inserted one, hee. :) - Ciaran. - Sent via the backstage.bbc.co.uk discussion group. To unsubscribe, please visit http://backstage.bbc.co.uk/archives/2005/01/mailing_list.html. Unofficial list archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/backstage@lists.bbc.co.uk/
[backstage] BBC News
Anyone noticed the BBC News front page has gone to a PDA or similar version? ./Matt
Re: [backstage] BBC News
On Jan 25, 2008 1:48 PM, Ciaran Hamilton [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On 1/25/08, Matt Barber [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Anyone noticed the BBC News front page has gone to a PDA or similar version? Looks okay to me. What browser are you using? I'm using Firefox 2.0.0.11 on Windows XP from this machine. - Ciaran. - Sent via the backstage.bbc.co.uk discussion group. To unsubscribe, please visit http://backstage.bbc.co.uk/archives/2005/01/mailing_list.html. Unofficial list archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/backstage@lists.bbc.co.uk/ Same browser, 2.0.0.11 from XP. It's actually redirecting to http://news.bbc.co.uk/nolpda/ukfs_news/hi/default.stm which is strange. Tried IE as well to see if it was a strange cache thing. Could it be that I am VPN'ed to a USA IP address? ./Matt
Re: [backstage] BBC News
On Jan 25, 2008 2:39 PM, Ciaran Hamilton [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On 1/25/08, Matt Barber [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Same browser, 2.0.0.11 from XP. It's actually redirecting to http://news.bbc.co.uk/nolpda/ukfs_news/hi/default.stm which is strange. Tried IE as well to see if it was a strange cache thing. Could it be that I am VPN'ed to a USA IP address? I doubt it; I actually originally accessed it from a USA IP address first but then tried using my normal UK IP in case that was causing the difference. What IP address are you coming from? Maybe it's redirecting based on the IP for some reason. - Ciaran. - Sent via the backstage.bbc.co.uk discussion group. To unsubscribe, please visit http://backstage.bbc.co.uk/archives/2005/01/mailing_list.html. Unofficial list archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/backstage@lists.bbc.co.uk/ I'm on 64.103.64.1 at the moment, most GeoIP places see it as being on the west coast US but BBC see a UK IP...
Re: [backstage] RTMP stream URL resolving script
You are correct in saying that apache cannot stream files, the only possibility is to progressively download the data, otherwise known as 'http streaming', which is, as previously mentioned, inefficient compared to other more suitable methods. I think that part of the problem is that today there are so many solutions offering to solve the issue of getting streaming video/audio from one place to another, each with a different combination of encoder, decoder, wrapper and transport. This ambiguity, and choice, may be what is slowing down the development of 'free' implementations. But then who can argue against the fact that choice is a good thing? Always a difficult issue to address. This discussion is interesting because it brings forward the possibility of standards, without the major pressure of commercial success driving results. It's interesting to see what suggestions are being made. On Jan 24, 2008 11:10 AM, Phil Wilson [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: (for some reason Andy's reply didn't make it to my mail client, but I've read it online here: http://www.mail-archive.com/backstage@lists.bbc.co.uk/msg07375.html- I'd really appreciate it if the Backstage page about the mailing list would link to the HTML archive!) Apache has the power to serve files over HTTP. You should check it out http://www.apache.org/ . Stick a file in a location it can access and clients can stream from it. As far as I know, Apache cannot stream files. Red5 .. VLC Even if these were OK, do they work on the massive scale required by the BBC? According to http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/technology/7187967.stm they'd need to be support streaming 250,000 programmes a day. I'm going to stick my neck out and suggest that neither of these servers are capable of handling this load as-is. I can't answer all your other questions because I don't know all the answers, but here are a few: Does this mean an RTMP client needs to have a full interpreter for some programming language An RTMP client needs to have an execution environment. questions about dates See the JavaScript Date documentation for your favourite implementation, such as http://developer.mozilla.org/en/docs/Core_JavaScript_1.5_Reference:Global_Objects:Date acceptable characters in PID and Token These are generated by the BBC, so you probably don't need to know, other than ensuring you encode as UTF-8 to make sure you can handle a broad character set. Java encodes String objects to UTF-8 internally by default. I would hope that most of your other questions become redundant if an API appears, as has been suggested. Cheers, Phil - Sent via the backstage.bbc.co.uk discussion group. To unsubscribe, please visit http://backstage.bbc.co.uk/archives/2005/01/mailing_list.html. Unofficial list archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/backstage@lists.bbc.co.uk/
Re: [backstage] RTMP stream URL resolving script
On Jan 24, 2008 11:39 AM, Matt Barber [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: You are correct in saying that apache cannot stream files, the only possibility is to progressively download the data, otherwise known as 'http streaming', which is, as previously mentioned, inefficient compared to other more suitable methods. I think that part of the problem is that today there are so many solutions offering to solve the issue of getting streaming video/audio from one place to another, each with a different combination of encoder, decoder, wrapper and transport. This ambiguity, and choice, may be what is slowing down the development of 'free' implementations. But then who can argue against the fact that choice is a good thing? Always a difficult issue to address. This discussion is interesting because it brings forward the possibility of standards, without the major pressure of commercial success driving results. It's interesting to see what suggestions are being made. On Jan 24, 2008 11:10 AM, Phil Wilson [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: (for some reason Andy's reply didn't make it to my mail client, but I've read it online here: http://www.mail-archive.com/backstage@lists.bbc.co.uk/msg07375.html - I'd really appreciate it if the Backstage page about the mailing list would link to the HTML archive!) Apache has the power to serve files over HTTP. You should check it out http://www.apache.org/ . Stick a file in a location it can access and clients can stream from it. As far as I know, Apache cannot stream files. Red5 .. VLC Even if these were OK, do they work on the massive scale required by the BBC? According to http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/technology/7187967.stm they'd need to be support streaming 250,000 programmes a day. I'm going to stick my neck out and suggest that neither of these servers are capable of handling this load as-is. I can't answer all your other questions because I don't know all the answers, but here are a few: Does this mean an RTMP client needs to have a full interpreter for some programming language An RTMP client needs to have an execution environment. questions about dates See the JavaScript Date documentation for your favourite implementation, such as http://developer.mozilla.org/en/docs/Core_JavaScript_1.5_Reference:Global_Objects:Date acceptable characters in PID and Token These are generated by the BBC, so you probably don't need to know, other than ensuring you encode as UTF-8 to make sure you can handle a broad character set. Java encodes String objects to UTF-8 internally by default. I would hope that most of your other questions become redundant if an API appears, as has been suggested. Cheers, Phil - Sent via the backstage.bbc.co.uk discussion group. To unsubscribe, please visit http://backstage.bbc.co.uk/archives/2005/01/mailing_list.html. Unofficial list archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/backstage@lists.bbc.co.uk/ Here's an open letter written from the CEO of Brightcove before CES to try to get some attention about open standards, some of you may have seen it but here it is anyway: http://www.brightcove.com/about_brightcove/perspectives/open-internet-television-letter-to-ce-industry.cfm Also apologies for my 'above post replying', I am so used to it, it didn't cross my mind to change on a mailing list! ./Matt
Re: [backstage] Music in TV programs
Hi, I once wrote to ITV requesting some music during one of their programmes, who forwarded me to the program controller who was able to help further. The BBC's website suggests you try the Points of View messageboard, saying: '...for example, they may be able to instantly identify a piece of music or a location which would take us several days to track down' - http://www.bbc.co.uk/dna/mbpointsofview/ So looks like they have a few queries like that. If you want to contact them directly, try here: http://www.bbc.co.uk/tv/feedback/ ./Matt On Jan 10, 2008 3:04 PM, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hi Not sure if this is the place for this question but I've not been able to find the answer anywhere else. Does the BBC or any broadcaster for that matter publish the music that is played during programs. There have been quite a few times when I have some music played and would love to be able to buy it. Its not too bad when its pop or rock because I can always google the Lyrics but when its a classical piece that can be a struggle. I would have thought that a record would have to be kept for royalty payments but is it published. If its not published is there any reaon why not surely it could be a money spinner for the record companies. Thanks Catherine Jones - Sent via the backstage.bbc.co.uk discussion group. To unsubscribe, please visit http://backstage.bbc.co.uk/archives/2005/01/mailing_list.html. Unofficial list archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/backstage@lists.bbc.co.uk/
Re: [backstage] SemanticCamp London, 16-17 Feb 2008
This sounds really good, I am very interested in semantic web and hope to go to hear what everyone has to say about it. Be good to get together and throw some Q/A around. Is anyone else on the list interested in going? ./Matt On Jan 9, 2008 10:46 AM, Tom Morris [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hey folks, Signup is now open for SemanticCamp London, which takes place on the 16th and 17th of February, 2007, at the Department of Computing at Imperial College, London. Following the success of BarCamp London 3 in November, SemanticCamp is an attempt to bring the BarCamp magic to a niche topic - the Semantic Web in it's various incarnations. Ideas, implementation, technology and vision around making the Web a giant distributed database, or something thereabouts. SemanticCamp is a free, two day participant-driven event. Put your ideas up and give a talk, or lead a discussion. It's like a conference with all the boring bits taken out. http://semanticcamp.tommorris.org -- Tom Morris http://tommorris.org/ - Sent via the backstage.bbc.co.uk discussion group. To unsubscribe, please visit http://backstage.bbc.co.uk/archives/2005/01/mailing_list.html. Unofficial list archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/backstage@lists.bbc.co.uk/
Re: [backstage] BBC iplayer on exotic devices
An API would be good, one could request a stream ID based on program, or perhaps just a category, similar to an RSS feed based on program genre or series. So my webapp could automatically list the latest 5 top gear episodes for my fan site, with little programming or knowledge of program IDs. An API could open this up to more PC based programmers, but I don't think it will initially help exotic devices, as there's the problem of getting the video to render on the devices. A lot of flashplayers installed on small devices aren't up to date enough - and then there's the EULA problem... Interesting to read what you guys are saying about it. On Jan 9, 2008 12:53 PM, Steve Jolly [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Dave Crossland wrote: On 09/01/2008, Jason Cartwright [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Production client-side code really shouldn't have documentation in. If the BBC is serious about supporting innovation around the iPlayer, it ought to leave it in here. I believe Ian said that there's a proper API coming, which sounds to me like a more elegant solution than serving lots of redundant comments to every iPlayer user. S - Sent via the backstage.bbc.co.uk discussion group. To unsubscribe, please visit http://backstage.bbc.co.uk/archives/2005/01/mailing_list.html. Unofficial list archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/backstage@lists.bbc.co.uk/
Re: [backstage] BBC iplayer on exotic devices
Good idea, streamline and optimise for the end user, be abundant with information for the developer. That way it would increase reliability for the end user too, as the live production code is less likely to change/have errors introduced, whereas if the developer code goes a little wrong, it's not as big a problem. On Jan 9, 2008 2:26 PM, Jason Cartwright [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I disagree. Using gigs and gigs of bandwidth needlessly and making an app run slower for millions of people, just so a few developers can hack around with it? Much better to release an API and sample source code separately. Example... Built for users: http://maps.google.com Built for developers: http://code.google.com/apis/maps/ J On Jan 9, 2008 12:13 PM, Dave Crossland [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On 09/01/2008, Jason Cartwright [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Production client-side code really shouldn't have documentation in. If the BBC is serious about supporting innovation around the iPlayer, it ought to leave it in here. -- Regards, Dave (Personal opinion only) - Sent via the backstage.bbc.co.uk discussion group. To unsubscribe, please visit http://backstage.bbc.co.uk/archives/2005/01/mailing_list.html. Unofficial list archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/backstage@lists.bbc.co.uk/
