Re: radionics, voodoo, holy cards, and 3rd class relics
As an Astrologer of some 25years I suggest the only way to get to know the planetary energies is to get in there and PLAY with them as much as you can. GA BdMax distributors of ThermoMax -THE proven frost protectionwww.bdmax.co.nz - Original Message - From: Eric Myren To: Biodynamic Food and Farming Discussion Sent: Monday, July 21, 2003 3:31 AM Subject: Re: radionics, voodoo, holy cards, and 3rd class relics The one last thing I wish to say before I unsubscribe from this list is that the school of Spirit I went to as teenager and over the past 19yrs says DO NOT PLAY WITH PLANETARY ENERGIES BECAUSE YOU DO NOT KNOW WHAT YOU ARE DOING.PEACEERICP.S. Llloyd if any of my words have bothered you maybe their is a reason and maybe you should look to the inside and find out what that reason is :-)On Sunday, July 20, 2003, at 07:22 AM, Lloyd Charles wrote: - Original Message -From: "Eric Myren" [EMAIL PROTECTED]To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]Sent: Sunday, July 20, 2003 5:07 AMSubject: Re: radionics, voodoo, holy cards, and 3rd class relicsHi EricIf you need to figure why some of us get peeved at the remarksdirected at radionics just take a look at the heading that this thread hasrun under . -- voodoo, holy cards, and third class relics -- hardly acomplimentary way to approach people who are doing their honest best to make" the benefits of the biodynamic preparations available as quickly aspossible to the largest possible areas of the entire earth, for the Earth'shealing." One thing I wanted to say about this is I have a problem with the wayRadionics has been portrayed on BDNOW! The almost religious fever thatpushes these things as being better than biodynamics is wrong.funny! from where I stand most of the religious fervour seems to be directedagainst the use of radionics and homeopathic remedies, by people rooted inthe traditional, - maybe we are all too sensitive? Yes Radionics has its place in theenergy system of the planet but is that instead of Biodynamics? NO! Itmust work in conjunction with it in a vastly different space. The pointI am trying to get across is that the two systems can work quite wellin conjunction with one another as long as both are being used.Dont see many of us actively promoting the idea that this is an either/orsituation, I certainly dont. James doesnt, nor Gil nor even Hugh Lovel ( ifyou pay attention to what he writes and says) find the biggest Vortex on your property or positively flowing dragon lineand blast your preps deeply into the ether."blast your preps" I find it incredible that anyone with the remotestunderstanding of radionics or field broadcasting could write this! .In shortand vulgar language - its a bloody insult - we use the field broadcaster toadminister the preps in a finely balanced and extremely subtle way, itsgentle and in most cases much more finely tuned than any use of the rawpreps.Yet you write this as if we are some uncouth person bashing nature overthe head with a shovel.I dont understand this attitude at all !___BDNow mailing list[EMAIL PROTECTED]You can unsubscribe or change your options at:http://lists.envirolink.org/mailman/listinfo/bdnow ___BDNow mailing list[EMAIL PROTECTED]You can unsubscribe or change your options at:http://lists.envirolink.org/mailman/listinfo/bdnow ___ BDNow mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] You can unsubscribe or change your options at: http://lists.envirolink.org/mailman/listinfo/bdnow
Re: radionics, voodoo, holy cards, and 3rd class relics
Dear Eric, Lloyd, Graeme, et. al., I consider the Steiner reference to sympathetic vibratory physics as very interesting, especially in the light of evidence that our governments, particularly the US government, have top secret research projects going on along the same lines as radionic and psychotronic research. They heve the budgets, the manpower and the chain of command to do this research and to keep it top secret. They seem to be doing the very things Steiner feared. It is we who are sharing what we know and discover with the world, and countering the dangerous trend of keeping it all secret for narrow, selfish purposes. That is one thing to think about. Another is the fact that we all seem prone to making what we might view in hindsight as mistakes. Hopefully we will all enjoy the fruits of learning from these mistakes, and not just those experimenting with radionics--though working with radionics has brought to light several serious errors in past biodynamic practice, such as frequent and one-sided use of 500 without 501 and without horn clay or some other such unifying, balancing remedy. So I very much support the wish that we who are experimenting with radionics can and will learn from out mistakes. The mistakes are manifold and the learning process is rather slow, though it does seem to be incremental. It is important that we honestly and publicly acknowledge and discuss these mistakes. While it may seem embarassing, it is a sign of egoic maturity when we publically acknowledge our mistakes. You might take a second look at any political figures who do this sort of thing, as it is as much needed as it is rare. Anyway, let us please not fall into such traps as labling radionic preps as not real or invalidating the primary making of preps as unnecessary. Either of these partisan views tends to create divisions. What we need instead is an open forum for sharing what we know--something we can rely upon our governments not to do from time to time and case to case. Regards, Hugh BdMax distributors of ThermoMax -THE proven frost protection www.bdmax.co.nz - Original Message - From: Eric Myren [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Biodynamic Food and Farming Discussion [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Monday, July 21, 2003 3:32 AM Subject: Re: radionics, voodoo, holy cards, and 3rd class relics Sir I respect your opinions and I find your words to be thoughtful and full of insight I hope you can be a voice of reason for these people. I only pray that the practioners of these energies come to realize some of the mistakes I see that they are making and change the focus of their attention. The only Radionics that they need to practice is that of their Corpus Callosum. PEACE ERIC On Saturday, July 19, 2003, at 11:51 PM, James Hedley wrote: Dear Eric, Greetings from the land of the Wizards of Oz. Which posts do you think push Radionics with an almost religious fervour. As far as I can see most radionic practitioners on this list bend over backwards to try and give both methods equal time. I dont see that anyone on BDnow is trying to take any persons cherished beliefs from them. I personally have always advocated the use of both methods(radionics and BD) As for Radionics not being in the mindset of RS philosophy how would you react to a most fortunate find of a lecture of RS in Holland, in 1918 where he discussed what would happen if we did not take up Sympathetic Vibratory Physics ( as promoted by Keely, Russel and Tesla), whose work provided the theoretical base for the technology which has become known as Radionics and Psychotronics. which would move mankind into a new type of spirituality and save a lot of work. At the present time I only have an abstract of the lecture translated from the Dutch but will try to get the full text. One small part that is pertinent Now for Mankind to reach its spiritual goal it is necessary that these separate occult faculties will not separate humanity in three opposing groups. Because for instance if the West-people only develop their material-mechanical occultism and keep it for themselves, even use it to oppress the other peoples, and hold them in their (economical) power, the West will become soulless, bound to the material side of life on this planet. This was quoted on the problems which RS saw would occur if SPV was not allowed to evolve. Interesting material. Maybe we also need to look at what is likely to happen to mankind if the spiritual impulses developing in other areas of the globe are not allowed to develop. Maybe some of you out there will be able to tell me. James Hedley - Original Message - From: Eric Myren [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Sunday, July 20, 2003 5:07 AM Subject: Re: radionics, voodoo, holy cards, and 3rd class relics One thing I wanted to say about this is I have a problem with the way Radionics has been
Re: Brian Keats' article A Perspective on Radionics FieldBroadcasters
Dear Graeme, I do not know what response is being referred to here. But I think it would be fine to post it. Hugh BdMax distributors of ThermoMax -THE proven frost protection www.bdmax.co.nz - Original Message - From: Resonant Info [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Biodynamic Food and Farming Discussion [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Sunday, July 20, 2003 9:53 PM Subject: Brian Keats' article A Perspective on Radionics FieldBroadcasters Below is Brian's article on Radionics published in the Newsleaf. Brian has sent it to me to forward to BDNow. He also included Hugh's response, but until we get Hugh's permission I will not post it. I guess Hugh must be still away as he has not contributed to this thread yet. A Perspective on Radionics Field Broadcasters - Brian Keats In the world of Biodynamics(BD) there is a gathering momentum in the use of radionics and Field Broadcaster instruments. What are they, how can we understand them, what effects do they have? The premise that everything is vibration with a wave like nature is the basis for research and development into the above mentioned instruments. Definitions, claimed effects and uses Radionic Potentising Devices: Translates substance into a pattern that can be:- 1. copied (e.g. a herb or tinctures energy field can be translated and placed into a separate medicine phial or pilule); 2. projected across near or remote distances; 3. have its frequency (potency) changed. N.B. With the aid of dowsing a geometric pattern card can be made, having specific circles and vector lines added to it, that can represent any substance or thing. This representation can then be used in lieu of a herb, metal, mineral, medicine etc. The devices do not have an external source of power but do have electronic coil based circuitry. Field Broadcasters Usually are built into a section of PVC piping and work on the principles of radionics and can broadcast life forces (like BD preparations) over large acreage with stationary self-induction equipment. Reagents, or their card substitutes, are put into the device with a map of the intended area to be broadcast over and the pipe is activated for a specific time. There is no battery or mains power source needed but they do have electrical components in them and a very small voltage would be generated from the device. This eliminates the considerable effort needed to stir the preparations and spread them out over the land physically. The preparations do not even get used up! If one is using reagent cards, then that could remove the need to make or buy the preparations, or purchase specific minerals and trace elements. Comments A lot of energy has gone into explanations, debates and arguments as to whether and how radionic devices and Field Broadcasters work. From my perspective I think that it is conceivable that they do, or can have, some of the effects claimed. The trend is that we are working with ever more subtle things that do not appear very substantial but nonetheless, the effect of their forces is very far reaching. There is not much physically to mobile phones and they continue to get smaller and have less and less hardware between them. There is an inverse relationship between substance and process - ever less substance and ever more powerful process. The computer chip is another example. Patterns too are known to have their effects psychically and thereby physically. Meditating on a symbol of the cross, a circle or on a mandala are examples. The issues for me rather are:- What is working or ensouling or enspiriting this type of technology? How is self-deception avoided? What is the price to be paid for the ease it offers? How do we go forward morally in researching these technologies? Should food or medicine radionically produced be labelled differently? If a radionics device copies a biodynamic preparation onto a Rae Card (pattern represented on a card with circles and vector lines) then we have something that was 3D; accessible to all the senses; metamorphosing; different according to location, season, method of making and people who made it - compared to something 2D, with fixed form and that provides little access for human physical senses. I can well imagine that these technological instruments could simulate something that represents a preparation filled with life. If I compare that which is simulated to the change that takes place when we use the technology of the telephone:- human speech is copied and transmitted - we recognise the speech patterns and can determine the message and who is speaking. The received sound patterns are an image of the real thing but not the real thing itself. The information is there but not the beautiful subtle quality of the reality. Even the sound waves have been changed, many have been dropped off and the rest averaged out. This image, like that in a mirror, can be seductively like, but not the
Peppering Trial results 2003
I have just added the initial results from our Insect peppering trials to our website, for whom it may be of a concern. These trials were part of a Masters thesis, whose completion is still some months off. So here is a start. Click the link on the left. cheers Glen A BdMax distributors of ThermoMax -THE proven frost protectionwww.bdmax.co.nz ___ BDNow mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] You can unsubscribe or change your options at: http://lists.envirolink.org/mailman/listinfo/bdnow
Re: radionics, voodoo, holy cards, and 3rd class relics
Yes please can we have a copy of this article. GA BdMax distributors of ThermoMax -THE proven frost protection www.bdmax.co.nz - Original Message - From: Resonant Info [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Biodynamic Food and Farming Discussion [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Thursday, July 17, 2003 11:30 PM Subject: Re: radionics, voodoo, holy cards, and 3rd class relics Hi All, I just read an interesting article in the Winter issue of the Newsleaf - the BACA journal, by Brian Keats about radionics. Many will know him as the author of the Antipodean Astro calendar. He puts forward some of the points I and others have made about radionics and BD, but much more eloquently, and more as well. It also has a response from Hugh Lovell. Cheryl Kemp (editor) may allow the text to be reproduced here for those who don't receive Newsleaf. Brian is not directly arguing against radionics as such but is asking questions practitioners need to ask. (They may have asked themselves these questions and even have satisfactory answers. But they haven't been presented here on BDNow as far as I can tell) Questions like How is self-deception avoided? What is the price to be paid for the ease that it offers? Moral questions, labelling questions and more. Worthy a read if you are following this thread. -- Graeme Gerrard [EMAIL PROTECTED] ___ BDNow mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] You can unsubscribe or change your options at: http://lists.envirolink.org/mailman/listinfo/bdnow ___ BDNow mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] You can unsubscribe or change your options at: http://lists.envirolink.org/mailman/listinfo/bdnow
Re: New Zealanders
I have sent a letter to the Minister of Agriculture asking to include our product for this in the trials. Its actually burping that is the problem, and the inefficient digestion of their badly grown grass, so there will be all sorts of positives that come from this. they will find ways to improve digestion - we have been doing this in humans for 12 years - which will make a better weight gain for them, and they will find better ways to grow grass. Not signing the Kyoto protocol is not the best option. Its like sticking your head in the sand and believing the wolf can not see you. Australia and the US not signing, and allowing China and India to escape it as well, are all very irresponsible acts for the longevity of life on the planet. NZ going forward implementing it will no doubt be as disasterous for us as our unilateral dropping of our trade barriers, while our biggest trading partners have the biggest rade barriers. But here we are, so what can we do to help. The 8 million the farmers are paying is less that 10% of the real cost of their pollution re greenhouse gas taxes etc. So their arguments are somewhat irrational and selfish as far as I can see. GA BdMax distributors of ThermoMax -THE proven frost protection www.bdmax.co.nz - Original Message - From: Peter Michael Bacchus [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Biodynamic Food and Farming Discussion [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Thursday, July 17, 2003 9:05 AM Subject: Re: New Zealanders Kia ora, Would a petition be worth a try??? - Original Message - From: Di Handley [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Biodynamic Food and Farming Discussion [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Thursday, July 17, 2003 7:09 AM Subject: Re: New Zealanders Kia ora We somehow need to get the energy that is going in to this fart campaign to be transferred to the anti GE campaign. The moratorium is set to be lifted late October this year. Any suggestions? Kia kaha Diana ___ BDNow mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] You can unsubscribe or change your options at: http://lists.envirolink.org/mailman/listinfo/bdnow ___ BDNow mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] You can unsubscribe or change your options at: http://lists.envirolink.org/mailman/listinfo/bdnow ___ BDNow mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] You can unsubscribe or change your options at: http://lists.envirolink.org/mailman/listinfo/bdnow
Re: radionics, voodoo, holy cards, and 3rd class relics
Succussion and dilution is not homoeopathy. The fundamental principle is Like cures like. If BD preps were homoeopathic in this sense - 500 would destroy humus, for example. And it will if it is not continually feed organic matter Just think about that. No, dilution is not the same thing as homoeopathy and the BD preps do not operate on a homoeopathic basis. 500 stimulates humus production - the complete opposite of what a homoepathic form of 500 would be expected to do. So logically - either all of homoeopathy is false, its founding principle is wrong and homoeopaths all over the world are deluded and placebo is king, or the principles are correct and the BD preps are not homoeopathic - just fairly high dilutions. Otherwise Lachesis (hom. snake venom for those others who may not know) would kill people every day, not cure them. So. No, I have no problem with homoeopathy and no problem with the technique of high dilution and succussion, as such. You may remember I mentioned recently that I was keeping birds off grapes by helping the plant become one with its own inner bird This is like curing like. You might also find that there is more for humans to learn and understand about homeopathy. This is an unfolding reality we live in and so I find it humorous that you are so willing to have our understandings at a state of conclusion. One of the principles I found exploring the Astrological spiral is It is ALL RIGHT The question then becomes where are these rights and wrongs of yours both RIGHT? Glen A ___ BDNow mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] You can unsubscribe or change your options at: http://lists.envirolink.org/mailman/listinfo/bdnow
Re: Gil and Dave: radionics, voodoo, holy cards,and 3rd class relics
From such a perspective life forces are infinitely complex forces that involve the resurrection or redemption of matter - not just at the mineral level either as I think Glen A proposes. no I am not proposing BD preps and the energeries they mediate work at 'just the mineral level'. Not sure where you would have gotten this impression from my writings. The use of 'Life Forces' as a term is to me vague and confusing. For some (including me) this will mean purely etheric forces, for others it means all spiritual forces active in life , which from a RS point of view are physical, etheric, astral and spiritual forces. To me the BD preps mediate all of these forces. My chapter on the The Preparations, outlines clearly which prep I consider to mediate which physical, etheric, astral or spiritual activity. My research is very much concerned with what we can do with these subtle forces, even though my practise is concerned with working with substance as well as force, as one must. Bio-Dynamics = Life Forces = All the forces active in nature as described above. cheers Glen A ___ BDNow mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] You can unsubscribe or change your options at: http://lists.envirolink.org/mailman/listinfo/bdnow
Re: radionics, voodoo, holy cards, and 3rd class relics
But this is the current understanding of homoeopathy, what can u do, just ignore it? No I am not ignoring it. I know of no homeopath who has worked with the homeopathic BD preps and so there are no other authorative views to consider. My experience of them suggests they are different to 'normal' substance. For a start their making process places them as alchemical substances which work directly on the spiritual bodies relationship to one another. Thats the basis I must start with. Evidence does show they have a like cures like effect. It is really a question , can you see what the actual cause of a problem is and which prep will 'cure' it. Is it not more your own limitations of understanding that are the 'problem' rather than the system you are attacking? There are observable phenomena, but we know that the observation is affected by our mind set, by our very efforts at observation (as well as our prejudices and inclinations). So we can delude ourselves both at the level of perception AND at the level of conception. This what I have liked about the HortResearch process we have been through. I have not been involved in these trials whatsoever. The remedies are applied - possibly by highly sceptical scientists - on plants. Very little subjectivity here , if not down right negative sentiments, yet we have achieved positive results as predicted. These substances have power regardless of the user. This I believe is the value of using X potencies. It makes the remedy much more stable than higher potencies, most homeopathic rules apply to. I treat my remedies really badly, on purpose, and they stand up. Breaking all the trad homeopathic rules. So be it. Thats whats real, too bad about someone else rules. Its the old, If you meet Bhuddha on the road kill him' phenomena. As you may have noticed over time, my regard for 'authorities' is nil, till they prove some value. I find it gives me tremendous freedom to redefine reality to what I experience. Does wonders for ones sanity. cheers Glen A ___ BDNow mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] You can unsubscribe or change your options at: http://lists.envirolink.org/mailman/listinfo/bdnow
Re: Greg Willis - costs of preps
Ron This is THE question of the time I see in front of me. We have had a BDA fund, a full time consultant for 13 years 'selling' the traditional form of BD, and it has made next to no impact on the commercial effect of BD in the NZ economy, over the last 20 years. If anything it damaged the image and appreciation of BD in our general landowners minds. Do we sit by and wait for the world to collapse and then come in with our 'amish' ways or do we find a way that our benefits can be used now as part of the prevailing paradigm to help them move to a less damaging method? Already Integrated Pest management is heading growers towards us. Compost teas etc have bought organics next to being our twin. SO things are moving from all sides. Where can we move to meet them? In my experience I see, only when the farmers can see feel and experience a functioning alterative, backed by 3rd party research, will they move towards it. It has to be relevant, to their existing production system. At present, based on the evidence in front of me it appears trad BD is mostly relevant to third world, mortgage free and highly subsidies economies. There are many roads to the top of the hill and we all need to follow the one that appears best to us. The more the merrier. MAy all seekers for the development of BD have the dedication to their goals I see here in the strength and diversity of views. Do what youáll reckon is best for you, and marvel at your companions achievements, or find fuel through jealousy, whatever, just do your bit as you see fit. I know my developments work, I got official proof, so there is no going back no matter what anyone says. The mould has been broken, like it or not. BD is not what it was and it never will be again. Keep it were you want it for yourself, but I for one am moving forward with the reality I see in front of me and it does not look very Amish. cheers Glen BdMax distributors of ThermoMax -THE proven frost protection www.bdmax.co.nz - Original Message - From: ron poitras [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Biodynamic Food and Farming Discussion [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Sunday, July 13, 2003 5:53 AM Subject: Re: Greg Willis - costs of preps Do any of you think, for even one second, that anyone, anywhere, other than the few adherents to biodynamics, is going to stir horn manure and horn silica for an hour and spray it on their lands around the world? Let's look at the evidence objectively. It hasn't happened and in the present horse and buggy form, it will never happen. People want convenience and price. They don't want mumbo jumbo. People wanting price and convenience is a significant part of the problem. The culmination of this kind of thinking is the global economy. Price and convenience achieved for the few at an astronomical cost to the rest. Steiner talked about the farm as an organism. One reason was to convey the wholeness of nature and another was to help in defining the proper scale of an enterprise. Stirring horn manure and horn silica may be 'horse and buggy', but it accomplishes more than one thing. What one can stir and spray relates to the proper size. It also puts the farmers imprint and intention on what he's doing. Focusing on convenience means not having to think; focusing on price means a loss of context. -Original Message- From: Hamilton Willis [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Biodynamic Food and Farming Discussion [EMAIL PROTECTED] Date: Thursday, July 10, 2003 1:43 PM Subject: Re: Greg Willis - costs of preps Dear Tobias, Gil, Roger, Mark and Graeme, Good. I got you all thinking. Some of your criticisms are absolutely justified and I will address them now and later. Others are not. The calculations in my little email need to be refined somewhat but in doing so, it will only go to prove my point that homeopathically diluted and potentized remedies are, no matter how you calculate it, less expensive to make, less expensive to use, in my experience, more effective to use and ultimately, the best way to get the most out of Steiner's remedies. I have to give credit to Glen Atkinson and Peter Bacchus who taught me the techniques for this method. Aside from the cost factors, you can get more than 100,000 units of homeopathic material out of one unit of raw material and the shelf life is years longer. I hasten to point out that in my calculations, I assumed, for the sake of that discussion, that it would take the same amount of time to stir and spray the raw preps as it would to pour and spray the homeopathic dilutions. This is false reasoning as it would take at least three times as long to do the raw preps. Nevertheless, who else has done these calculations? Who else has compared these costs? We need to drag biodynamics out of the horse and buggy era and into the 21st Century and we are not going to do it using the raw remedies and the hippie language, amateur antics and philosophy that so often invades
Re: radionics, voodoo, holy cards, and 3rd class relics
Why not let him present his proof instead of finding some novel way of telling him he is a nutcase. If Greg can prove his style of BD minimizes disease even as it greatly increases the quality, then I think maybe we should all shut up and listen. Rex Harrill Here Here, it is the way forward. Even if the Association blind dudes can not see it or acknowledge it, the world does. 'Their' loss, the worlds win, and we move forward. Glen A ___ BDNow mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] You can unsubscribe or change your options at: http://lists.envirolink.org/mailman/listinfo/bdnow ___ BDNow mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] You can unsubscribe or change your options at: http://lists.envirolink.org/mailman/listinfo/bdnow
Re: Alex Podolinsky
Title: Re: Alex Podolinsky Are the farms he is working with in 'better shape' now than when he started?? If not , no matter how you dress it up, he is just another robber baron. GA BdMax distributors of ThermoMax -THE proven frost protectionwww.bdmax.co.nz - Original Message - From: Resonant Info To: Biodynamic Food and Farming Discussion Sent: Tuesday, July 01, 2003 7:27 PM Subject: Re: Alex Podolinsky I just caught up with Alex a few weeks ago. He and Frances Porter were doing a tour of Demeter properties up the east coast of Australia, up past the Atherton Tablelands, as far as I know, and back down the coast to Victoria. He didn't seem like a man to lay back and "enjoy his moment of glory in the sun". He's still working hard for Biodynamics and is mentally alert and fully on top of things - I don't think there's anything going on here that he isn't aware of, for example. Alex's priority is with people who are serious about growing food for other people, on a scale he thinks is worth his time and trouble. He has no time for people who have an "interest" in BD or are just curious. As he says, there are other vehicles for these people. I have always been impressed by Alex and even more so at this last meeting. Dear all,Could I support James comments on Alex Podolinsky.He held his lamp high on the hill, when many were cupboard BDers.He took his beliefs to an unbelieving public, on mainline media, when, even today, many hide in secrecy and obscure places such as this list.He has built his own monument, a huge acreage of BD.I would, that those who seek to belittle him, should hold their hand until they equal his effort. He is not perfect, I know I am not and there are others I think may also have the odd imperfection.GilJames Hedley wrote: Greetings to all,Iagree with Hugh about Alex Podolinsky having carried the torch for Biodynamics in Australia for so long.Even growers, that I have met, who have been asked by Alex to leave the organization never doubt his integrity.The great service that he has done is to test the limits of the BD techniques that were claimed to be the way to farm Biodynamically.Alex Podolinsky oversaw a long term trial that was able to show where the BD system needed to be improved.Alex was not the only person who went down the predominantly BD500 path. When I first joined the Association generally accepted wisdom was that you should not use BD501 in Australia because there was enough light. Not enough was known about the role of Silica in plant production. Mainstream agronomists are now looking at the role of Silica in production of grasses and crops such as Oats, Barley and Wheat. Times change, old opponents to ideas die off and the new generation without a barrow to push just do it.We need to allow an old man to enjoy his moment of glory in the sun, thank him for his dedication and pick up the torch and do the work of the day, not criticize and try to pull apart the work that others have done.James HedleyHugh Lovel wrote: Hi allFinally have heard word that Alex Podolinsky will be talking at the uni inOrange on the first weekend of August. Unsure of the details but will postthese when confirmed. I'd be happy to put questions to him on behalf ofothers. Keeping in mind what Hamish has written; I can't help but think if not for this man would there be any Biodynamic groups in Australia today? Allan I'll do my best to tape the talk, but you may have to wait to hear it on our website?LLLiz___BDNow mailing list[EMAIL PROTECTED]You can unsubscribe or change your options at:http://lists.envirolink.org/mailman/listinfo/bdnowFolks?You want to know what I liked, nay, cherished and admired, about Alex Podolinsky? He faithfully answered every letter I ever wrote to him, and I wrote him twice, needing help and guidance but not wanting to be a pest, many long years ago. I had a sense he really cared, whatever else may have been. I will always be thinking to care as well myself, though I find many letters slip through the cracks.Hugh LovelVisit our website at: www.unionag.net ___BDNow mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED]You can unsubscribe or change your options at:http://lists.envirolink.org/mailman/listinfo/bdnow ___BDNow mailing list[EMAIL PROTECTED]You can unsubscribe or change your options at:http://lists.envirolink.org/mailman/listinfo/bdnow
BdMax Bird Scare's Philosophic Anachranism
The BD remedies manifest in my Bird Scare product andproven to work by the NZ HortResearch institution can best be described as working by "Helping the plant to become one with its owninner bird." First achieved circa January 1990, this family of remedies also has been shown to work on Rabbits, Possums, Cockroachs, Rats, Mice, Ants and many plant pests. Biodynamics of the 21st century. Glen Atkinson ___ BDNow mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] You can unsubscribe or change your options at: http://lists.envirolink.org/mailman/listinfo/bdnow
Re: 500 and 501 effects
Roll on real time see you then GA BdMax distributors of ThermoMax -THE proven frost protectionwww.bdmax.co.nz - Original Message - From: Hugh Lovel To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Sunday, June 29, 2003 12:53 AM Subject: 500 and 501 effects Glen,Wish I had time for this discussion now as it has been occupying much of my thought. You know how an onion is so cosmic above ground and so earthly with its fan of roots below, Or how spinach is so cosmic with its tap root but so earthly with its rosette of leaves? So we gotta get this cosmic/earthly force/substance thing tagged with concrete examples all over the place instead of merely talking vague generalities.And when we visit we'll discuss the vortex periodic table some more. I still haven't gotten your geometric system integrated in my thinking, but I do know you are on to something. What am I, dense?, that I don't grasp your philosophical system so easily as all that? Could be, but I do find it hard to get a handle on. It's like abstract art. Cool, but what do you do with it? Well, I know you explain and predict with it, but I don't. Not yet. And there's the rub.Best,Hugh HughNow let's take this example and go through it tagging all the little components of the process with "earthly forces, cosmic forces, earthly substances, cosmic substances." For example, nitrogen feeds/builds the human head and its activities, so it must come from the soil.So we have to look for the substances and forces coming from the head / soil as a double process not a single oneWhat is Silica coming upwards and what is Calcium coming upwards???Physically we have all sorts of Cations - Ca Mg Na K etcthese are diamagnetic elements and therefore can be seen as part of the Earthly substance.WE thenhave anions in N, P, S etc as well as paramagnetic elements which would be seen as the physical Si or Cosmic force elementsEnergetically we have forces coming from the Earth upwards tooThe "Cosmic forces" / outer planet 1 forces are those that carry the archetype of the the plant upwards, in doing so they thrust the plant upwards and work on the strength of the cell wall and the basis for the silica structures of the plantThe "Earthly substance' activity are the calcium process inner planet 2,that are active in germination and cell division ie the number of cell devided, and physically are concerned with the development of amount and quality of the tissue structure in the plant.The quality of this Earthly Substance / Calcium process working in with the cosmic foces / Siprocess determines the structural quality of any plant as it grows into space.We off course can talk about how if the Cosmic Forces dominate we get tap roots, if the Earthly substance dominates we get the ramified roots and so on. If the Cosmic Forces do not move upwards as they should then the stalks are weak, there is no archetypal impulse for the atmospheric Silica / Earthly forces to hook on to to allow for flowering, let alone seed formation or for fruit to blow out.If the Earthly substance /Earthly Ca is not active then the plant tissues are weak, undernourished and therefore break down and rot easily. This is the rot of Ca in fungal control. Cell division is not great and so the fruit does not have many cells to be filled out by the mass devlopment of the Atmospheric Ca / cosmic substance.Oxygen feeds/builds the limbs and their activities so it must come from the air. That is because--as Steiner so cogently pointed out--we must develop our head organization out of what we take in from eating (earthly, below ground stuff like lime, phosphorus, nitrogen), while we develop our limbs and metabolic system out of what we take in by breathing (cosmic, above ground stuff like oxygen, carbon, sliica).So in the above ground limbs, where is this a two fold processThe Oxygen with its inherenet association to the etheric body provide at least a partial hint.In the metabolism we need to look for theCosmic substance and Earthly forces.The Oxygen you mention as the the mass developer coming from our breathing, is the homeopathic calcium RS mentions in the atmosphere, which does the same thing. This is all the plant potentised 'susbstance' that the plant has exuded out into the atmosphere via transpiration. Callum Coates so eloquently describes this process in 'Living Water'on pg 220?? or there abouts when he talks about the flow of water through the plant. He describes how the water comes to the soil with its atmosphereic N, exchanges this for cations which are taken up into the plant. As the water spirals thru the ever decreasing 'veins'of the plant, the elements are taken out of the water while in turn the
Re: Alex Podolinsky
We need to allow an old man to enjoy his moment of glory in the sun, thank him for his dedication and pick up the torch and do the work of the day, not criticise and try to pull apart the work that others have done.James HedleyYes but we should also not be afraid to discuss and critic what they have done, so the mistakes of the past are not revisited anytime soon. If there is one thing we should learn from the past is the danger of the personality cult, where individuals opinions and beliefs are taken as words from god and carried from one generation to the next as gospel. Hopefully there are enough people involved and enough worldwide communication going on now that the BD principalities of the past will be continually challenged. It all about time and space. An era is ending - painfully for some - and a new forming, hopefully characterised by a more open minded focus on practical innovations, seeing as though it is not yet a complete ART. GA ___ BDNow mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] You can unsubscribe or change your options at: http://lists.envirolink.org/mailman/listinfo/bdnow
Re: Fwd: Prep 500 and 501 effects
Hugh Now let's take this example and go through it tagging all the little components of the process with "earthly forces, cosmic forces, earthly substances, cosmic substances." For example, nitrogen feeds/builds the human head and its activities, so it must come from the soil. So we have to look for the substances and forces coming from the head / soil as a double process not a single one What is Silica coming upwards and what is Calcium coming upwards??? Physically we have all sorts of Cations - Ca Mg Na K etcthese are diamagnetic elements and therefore can be seen as part of the Earthly substance. WE thenhave anions in N, P, S etc as well as paramagnetic elements which would be seen as the physical Si or Cosmic force elements Energetically we have forces coming from the Earth upwards too The "Cosmic forces" / outer planet 1 forces are those that carry the archetype of the the plant upwards, in doing so they thrust the plant upwards and work on the strength of the cell wall and the basis for the silica structures of the plant The "Earthly substance' activity are the calcium process inner planet 2,that are active in germination and cell division ie the number of cell devided, and physically are concerned with the development of amount and quality of the tissue structure in the plant. The quality of this Earthly Substance / Calcium process working in with the cosmic foces / Siprocess determines the structural quality of any plant as it grows into space. We off course can talk about how if the Cosmic Forces dominate we get tap roots, if the Earthly substance dominates we get the ramified roots and so on. If the Cosmic Forces do not move upwards as they should then the stalks are weak, there is no archetypal impulse for the atmospheric Silica / Earthly forces to hook on to to allow for flowering, let alone seed formation or for fruit to blow out. If the Earthly substance /Earthly Ca is not active then the plant tissues are weak, undernourished and therefore break down and rot easily. This is the rot of Ca in fungal control. Cell division is not great and so the fruit does not have many cells to be filled out by the mass devlopment of the Atmospheric Ca / cosmic substance. Oxygen feeds/builds the limbs and their activities so it must come from the air. That is because--as Steiner so cogently pointed out--we must develop our head organization out of what we take in from eating (earthly, below ground stuff like lime, phosphorus, nitrogen), while we develop our limbs and metabolic system out of what we take in by breathing (cosmic, above ground stuff like oxygen, carbon, sliica). So in the above ground limbs, where is this a two fold process The Oxygen with its inherenet association to the etheric body provide at least a partial hint. In the metabolism we need to look for theCosmic substance and Earthly forces. The Oxygen you mention as the the mass developer coming from our breathing, is the homeopathic calcium RS mentions in the atmosphere, which does the same thing. This is all the plant potentised 'susbstance' that the plant has exuded out into the atmosphere via transpiration. Callum Coates so eloquently describes this process in 'Living Water'on pg 220?? or there abouts when he talks about the flow of water through the plant. He describes how the water comes to the soil with its atmosphereic N, exchanges this for cations which are taken up into the plant. As the water spirals thru the ever decreasing 'veins'of the plant, the elements are taken out of the water while in turn the water is potentised via the vacuums created by the spiralling. Hence the water then carrys the activity of the substances it once carried. This is transpired into the atmosphere, hence becoming part of the World Etheric activity carried in the atmospheric moisture we experience asdew. It is then drawn into the plant again boththrough the stomata and also directly by the plants 'personal etheric body',This is the Cosmic Substance / Calcium process and by itself develops MASS. Left to itself it creates emorphous 'fat' forms. I have a 50 meter long row of lettuces, with each 3 meters sprayed with a different homeopathic substance. When you visit I will show you the ones sprayed with the Cosmic Substance elements and you can see for your self, what I mean. They look like they have been over done with Nitrogen except they are not blue green. They tend to a light green colour and no flavour. The etheric body is maxed out. If the atmospheric cosmic substance is not active fruit does not swell through cells filling out The Earthly Forces work in the atmospheric Silica which are primarily active in the light and warmth of the environment. The light and warmth are needed to bake the Si and Ca coming from below and the Ca from the atmosphere into a plant that will be lifted up into seed formation and nutrition. Without this light and warmth of the atmosphere
Re: Glen Re: Dornachian reactions?
Graeme Yes. There you go again Glen. But no matter. Seems to me if these groups are so irrelevant, why do they survive - Are they /we being all we could be??? This is why quality based certification regardless of production method is the way of the future. Twas thingking about this this morning and it may not be that hard. ie growers supplies a SFW certificate to indicate his soil health other parameters re brix test and the like a chroma tography a mineral and vitamin analysis or the like I am sure others have suggestions for this. Hardly a need for the farm to be inspected. Most enterprises are being inspected by a govt dept for something now so basic management environementally etc will be done there Quality is the key, however you get it. The market is wide open at present. GA ___ BDNow mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] You can unsubscribe or change your options at: http://lists.envirolink.org/mailman/listinfo/bdnow
Fw: Gouranga
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Re: keeping focussed
Yes thank you Hamish What you are doing / attemptingin OZ sounds refreshing. is that we share our experiences in the light of the laws of the free spiritual life I trust that your inclusive vision and spirit grows and infects our fine shores very soon. I look forward to it. You suggest a state beyond right and wrong I guess we in NZ must ask ourselves if our associations lifeis functioning beyond what who is right and wrong. Are we even attempting to accept at least our own memberships varied insights and practices? Or are some very right andothers very wrong? If yes, then what would it take for us to aspire to Hamish's challenge? MAybe this should become one of the central tenants of the associations constitution. Openness rather than protection GA ___ BDNow mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] You can unsubscribe or change your options at: http://lists.envirolink.org/mailman/listinfo/bdnow
Re: European preps (was Re: Dornachian reactions?)
Thanks Tony GA BdMax distributors of ThermoMax -THE proven frost protection www.bdmax.co.nz - Original Message - From: Tony Nelson-Smith [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Wednesday, June 25, 2003 3:35 AM Subject: European preps (was Re: Dornachian reactions?) I would like to obtain some 'official' European preps please, that I can work up into homeopathics. At least save the ones that are there now for the future. Where does one buy them?? Glen - 'Official' preps can be bought in UK from Biodynamic Supplies (Paul van Midden), Lorieneen, Bridge of Muchalls, Stonehaven, Aberdeen (Scotland), AB39 3RU. fax 44 1569 731746. Tony N-S. _ Hotmail messages direct to your mobile phone http://www.msn.co.uk/msnmobile ___ BDNow mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] You can unsubscribe or change your options at: http://lists.envirolink.org/mailman/listinfo/bdnow ___ BDNow mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] You can unsubscribe or change your options at: http://lists.envirolink.org/mailman/listinfo/bdnow
Re: Dornachian reactions?
Graeme Upon reflection I do not hear people knocking the use of traditional preps. They are knocking the organisations who seem to be isolating themselves from their members and the wider BD community, yet maintain relevance because of their trademark and its apparant value. The fact is trademarks are near on irrelevant anyway. The real practise they are supporting is garbage ( check out NZ BD apple production - 28 Lime Sulphurs a season) and so its a matter of time till they are dead. Discussion hear in NZ is post organic registration quality based trademarks. The search is on for relevant quality parameters, regardless of the production method. eg SFW tests for soil, brix and chromas etc The present organisations are basically corrupt. Here in NZ, one or two old council members protested a fellow members right to be elected onto council because of 'conflict of interest', as he worked part time with me. Somehow it seems I am working against the economic good of Biodynamics.? In the US we have the 'biodynamic' ownership debacle. In Australia we have Podolinsky setting up his kingdom, in Europe we have them suggesting illegal actions Who do these people think they are, and sadly they seem to believe they are beyond reproach or criticism. While they controlled the BD media they were, now they dont and so they are not. Seems the best they can do is stay away from the forum and keep their heads in the sand. Their choice. Good luck to them and good luck to the free thinkers who look at all the options, apply them to their properties and prosper. The reality is this list offers biodynamics without limitations. Pick up what you want and go for it. Aquarian anarchy. Yahoo. GA BdMax distributors of ThermoMax -THE proven frost protection www.bdmax.co.nz - Original Message - From: Resonant Info [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Biodynamic Food and Farming Discussion [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Tuesday, June 24, 2003 11:16 PM Subject: Re: Dornachian reactions? If your interest is in biodynamics, you may be wondering if you are subscribed to the right group! Despite the numerous claims to the contrary that you may read on the BDNow group, biodynamics is thriving, here in Australia at least. People are using the real preps, as described and recommended by Rudolf Steiner, as practised for decades all over the world. Although some think this is some kind of old school, bogged down and in decay, it is still a living culture. If you are interested in agriculture, biodynamics, growing food for people to help in the recovery of the Earth, seek it out. If you are interested in subtle energies, radionics, homoeopathic dilutions and such, there is a lot of very interesting information to be found on this list. It would be great if we could get above the contemptible slagging that goes on about the other and keep the focus on the many practical and helpful suggestions people have. regards all, Graeme Gerrard -- ___ BDNow mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] You can unsubscribe or change your options at: http://lists.envirolink.org/mailman/listinfo/bdnow ___ BDNow mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] You can unsubscribe or change your options at: http://lists.envirolink.org/mailman/listinfo/bdnow
Re: Dornachian reactions?
Graeme Upon reflection I do not hear people knocking the use of traditional preps. They are knocking the organisations who seem to be isolating themselves from their members and the wider BD community, yet maintain relevance because of their trademark and its apparant value. The fact is trademarks are near on irrelevant anyway. The real practise they are supporting is garbage ( check out NZ BD apple production - 28 Lime Sulphurs a season) and so its a matter of time till they are dead. Discussion hear in NZ is post organic registration quality based trademarks. The search is on for relevant quality parameters, regardless of the production method. eg SFW tests for soil, brix and chromas etc The present organisations are basically corrupt. Here in NZ, one or two old council members protested a fellow members right to be elected onto council because of 'conflict of interest', as he worked part time with me. Somehow it seems I am working against the economic good of Biodynamics.? In the US we have the 'biodynamic' ownership debacle. In Australia we have Podolinsky setting up his kingdom, in Europe we have them suggesting illegal actions Who do these people think they are, and sadly they seem to believe they are beyond reproach or criticism. While they controlled the BD media they were, now they dont and so they are not. Seems the best they can do is stay away from the forum and keep their heads in the sand. Their choice. Good luck to them and good luck to the free thinkers who look at all the options, apply them to their properties and prosper. The reality is this list offers biodynamics without limitations. Pick up what you want and go for it. Aquarian anarchy. Yahoo. GA BdMax distributors of ThermoMax -THE proven frost protection www.bdmax.co.nz - Original Message - From: Resonant Info [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Biodynamic Food and Farming Discussion [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Tuesday, June 24, 2003 11:16 PM Subject: Re: Dornachian reactions? If your interest is in biodynamics, you may be wondering if you are subscribed to the right group! Despite the numerous claims to the contrary that you may read on the BDNow group, biodynamics is thriving, here in Australia at least. People are using the real preps, as described and recommended by Rudolf Steiner, as practised for decades all over the world. Although some think this is some kind of old school, bogged down and in decay, it is still a living culture. If you are interested in agriculture, biodynamics, growing food for people to help in the recovery of the Earth, seek it out. If you are interested in subtle energies, radionics, homoeopathic dilutions and such, there is a lot of very interesting information to be found on this list. It would be great if we could get above the contemptible slagging that goes on about the other and keep the focus on the many practical and helpful suggestions people have. regards all, Graeme Gerrard -- ___ BDNow mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] You can unsubscribe or change your options at: http://lists.envirolink.org/mailman/listinfo/bdnow ___ BDNow mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] You can unsubscribe or change your options at: http://lists.envirolink.org/mailman/listinfo/bdnow
Re: Dornachian reactions?
Arjen
Do you have a email address for the Geotheaneum ag folks?? Pls send.
Head in the sand is not a long term option, sorry. If they can not do
something then the rest of us better get busy.
Eh if preps are necessary for Demeter, preps illegal, therefore anything
with Demeter illegal. Its pretty simple. Cheating is getting harder and
harder, hence all the beaurocracy we live with. Once caught, thats it for
BD.We know so will everyone else. Madness.
I can appreciate they have trouble with radionic preps, sure hard to sell to
the everyman and provide substantial data for. Sure not a definable point of
difference, which afterall, applying the preps is all that separates organic
and BD in NZ.
Homeopathic preps on the other hand, can be quantified and applied
physically and therefore something is done and seen to be done, as they
need. Combine them with a bug source and you have both forces and matter
being applied, as they want.
I would like to obtain some 'official' European preps please, that I can
work up into homeopathics. At least save the ones that are there now for the
future.
Where does one buy them??
What is it about Ăłfficial' BDers that they love shoving their heads in the
sand and maintain their mantra of delusion.
We have had it here for 25 years and it is still running as strong as ever.
cheers
GA
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- Original Message -
From: Arjen Huese [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: Biodynamic Food and Farming Discussion [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Friday, June 20, 2003 8:24 PM
Subject: Re: Dornachian reactions?
A lot of European bdgrowers use the Demeter-symbol and get a higher price
for their products than for ordinary organic products. Part of the
requirements for using the Demeter-symbol is the ('traditional') use of
the
preps, not radionically applied but physically stirring and spraying.
Manfred Klett (the head of the agricultural section in the
Goetheanum-Dornach) suggests '... in the meantime we have to feel free to
act illegally...'
The Demeter certification bodies in Europe are strict: no application of
preps: no Demeter symbol. I knew a bdfarmer in Germany who invented his
own
preparation and applied it succesfully; he wanted to use it in stead of
Steiner's preps. The reaction of the Demeterbund was: if you don't use
Steiner's preps, than it is not Demeter, no matter how well his prep works
or any discussion.
I was just wondering what the attitude of the Demeter certification bodies
in USA, OZ, NZ is towards radionically applied preps/ Malcolm Rae cards,
etc. Or does nobody carry a Demeter symbol there?
Arjen
At 21:57 19/06/2003 -0700, you wrote:
How does this help if one cannot make all the BD preps except Valerian?
The
new EU rules are no animals parts to be used for prep. making. Same
problem
for anthr. homeopathic medicine.
Michael
- Original Message -
From: Hugh Lovel [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: Biodynamic Food and Farming Discussion [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Thursday, June 19, 2003 6:18 PM
Subject: Re: Dornachian reactions?
Arjen,
The best of health to you for visiting our e-mail list. It has bit a
bit
unfortunate that our English language e-mail list has left out
Germans.
You
should be full participants, but there is the language barrierier.
So now you want to know about how we can circumvent these rulings.?
One way would be working withn Malcolm Rae cards and English radionic
instruments of the biodynamic preparations in homeopathic usages.
Please
inquire further.
Best,
Hugh
Hallo,
It is really interesting stuff that people are working with here,
especially the cosmic pipes, homeopathic peppering and use radionic
instruments and cards. According to the feedback on this list, it
seems
like these things work as good, or even better, than the original
thing.
At
the same time we struggle in Europe with legislation that prohibits
the
making of the preparations, but the official point of view (regarding
the
ban on burying animal material) from the Goetheanum is (quote Manfred
Klett) '... in the meantime we have to feel free to act illegally...'
We only need one malignent journalist to broadcast these 'illegal'
practices into public and along with some juicy allegations we can
throw
away our dear Demeter symbol.
I would be interested to know the different points of view of the
respective BDAA's in USA, OZ and NZ, as apparently there is a much
more
free approach to the use of the preps. Any contact with Dornach? Has
Hugh
already delivered a lecture at the Landbautagung?
Arjen Huese
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Re: Dornachian reactions?
I bet Demeter wont change until the old guard dies out or the organisation itself and the farmers it serves are at the point of imminent failure - Lloyd If NZ is a guide, another generation has been sporned who believe the crap the older generation has sold them and they are fighting hard to maintain their follies. Sadly they have the facade of authority as they are an 'Association of members', who can therefore be taken somewhat seriously by government. Yes they are fading away, but until some other 'Associationarises with a Biodynamic trademark Demeter will be seen as the authority. Once they become illegal it should be easier for something else to arise, but alas the types of people drawn to dominating groups with any authority will no doubt produce a similiar organisation to what we have now. Aquarian anarchy may indeed continue to be the way forward for a bit yet. GA ___ BDNow mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] You can unsubscribe or change your options at: http://lists.envirolink.org/mailman/listinfo/bdnow
Re: Can error be turned to advantage?
is proprietary information, much the same as your bird scare product. sounds like the spirit of Greg Willis lives on.sstorch Steve This raises a few very interesting questions. Is it OK for BD farmers to be entrepeneurial, yet not its researchers. And why would this be Given there is no financial support for BD research from either official or NGO bodies or the BD farming community, then the only way it can be funded is thru good old capitialistic means. Develop a product and sell it to fund further research. If you can! Why should we, who have dedicated our lives to extending BD method and understandings be seen as 2nd class citizens because we wish to a) survive b) continue on with our development of your art. Surely the health of a community is imaged in how it treats ALL its parts. Glen ___ BDNow mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] You can unsubscribe or change your options at: http://lists.envirolink.org/mailman/listinfo/bdnow ___ BDNow mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] You can unsubscribe or change your options at: http://lists.envirolink.org/mailman/listinfo/bdnow
Re: Fw: BdMax Bird Scare Results
Do you have any explanations or theories as to why BD preps would keep birds out of fully ripe fruit. Yes, and that thisis how I designed it in 1990 and that it worked first time. I dont think that we really need to twist reality. I am looking forward to the day thatmaterialistic science can no longer ignore these results and are pressed to ask how these remedies work. Something either works or it doesn't. Yes this is a wonderful thing about our present capitialism, isnt it. I dont really understand what your comparisons were. Obviously one was compared to water, which was statistically sinificant, but how did the trial compare to other methods of keeping birds out of the area. No other method was compared as far as I know. They all cost, and seeing as though we have no outside subsidies for research, just attaining these results are a significant development for us. Let's hear some more from others who are doing great things with BD preps, whether they are mainline conventional, or radionicists. Here Here GA ___ BDNow mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] You can unsubscribe or change your options at: http://lists.envirolink.org/mailman/listinfo/bdnow
Fw: BdMax Bird Scare Results
I have just received some early results from our HortResearch trials of our Bird Scare product on grapes last March. This product is made purely from the BD preps and is not peppering. "Briefly, and off the top of my head,In the bird scare trial, we found the incidence of damage was slightly lower (not quite statistically significant) and the severity of bird damage was less (statistically significant) in the plots sprayed with the bird scare product compared to the water-sprayed control.Very interesting stuff!.Full results to follow.Kind regards,Steve McArtney" These results are from a trial where individual bays of grapes next to a shelter belt, on a largecommercial chemical orchard, were used. High density pressure in a hostile environment. Our experience shows were a whole field and the trees are sprayed, the effect would be greater. Reports from a conventionalblueberry client, that used it over his whole area confirm this statement, including that bird inside his cages found their way out and left the area. More reality twisting stuff, with proof. OK sceptics ofthe world and materialistic scientists,explain this! Homeopathic Biodynamic preps removing birds off ripe fruit. Glen Atkinson. BdMax distributors of ThermoMax -THE proven frost protectionwww.bdmax.co.nz ___ BDNow mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] You can unsubscribe or change your options at: http://lists.envirolink.org/mailman/listinfo/bdnow
Hughs NZ visit
Hugh Apologies, e's senttoyour personal email addresskeeps coming back to me If your timetable is still forming, and you have a spare day or night in Hawkes Bay, Caroline Iwould like to invite you to stay with us at Ocean Beach, just near Hastings, by the vast Pacific ocean, for some R R, which I am sure you will be deserving by then. cheers Glen A ___ BDNow mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] You can unsubscribe or change your options at: http://lists.envirolink.org/mailman/listinfo/bdnow
Re: prep making illegal in the EU
Thanks Gil GA BdMax distributors of ThermoMax -THE proven frost protectionwww.bdmax.co.nz - Original Message - From: Gil Robertson To: Biodynamic Food and Farming Discussion Sent: Wednesday, June 11, 2003 12:41 PM Subject: Re: prep making illegal in the EU My info is out of date, but when I was in the UK, Homoeopathics were regarded as so dilute they had no possible original content in physical terms and were only an energy imprint. I think they had to be more than 4X. They, at that time did not require registration under the farm chemical system. Thus I would have thought they would be excluded. I would assume that the Preps. made with Rae Cards would also be able to be used. ( A considerable proportion of Homoeopathics are produced using Radionic Instruaments).I guess that when making and stirring, one is handling the physical material, so maybe there is some perceived risk.When I was there they said there had been no disease problems on any organic property and interestingly, nor had there been on any adjoining property that would have resulted in the organic property being affected. As I am sure every one knows, all out breaks were on the internet and one could check how close they were to any other property.GilGaruda wrote: Gil Excluded from use or excluded from the ban? GA BdMax distributors of ThermoMax -THE proven frost protection www.bdmax.co.nz - Original Message - From: "Gil Robertson" [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: "Biodynamic Food and Farming Discussion" [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Tuesday, June 10, 2003 1:07 PM Subject: Re: prep making illegal in the EU My understanding is that Homoeopathic Preps are excluded. Would it be that Preps made using Rae Cards, be also excluded? Gil Tony Nelson-Smith wrote: Folks - I don't know about the illegality of making the preps but I suppose it has been technically illegal to use them, at least in the UK, for some longish time. Correctly speaking, only substances/chemicals approved by the Ministry of Agriculture and so labelled may be used, even in private gardens. It is thus against the law to apply (for example) common salt, as this is not an approved chemical. ___ BDNow mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] You can unsubscribe or change your options at: http://lists.envirolink.org/mailman/listinfo/bdnow ___ BDNow mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] You can unsubscribe or change your options at: http://lists.envirolink.org/mailman/listinfo/bdnow ___BDNow mailing list[EMAIL PROTECTED]You can unsubscribe or change your options at:http://lists.envirolink.org/mailman/listinfo/bdnow ___ BDNow mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] You can unsubscribe or change your options at: http://lists.envirolink.org/mailman/listinfo/bdnow
Re: prep making illegal in the EU
Gil Excluded from use or excluded from the ban? GA BdMax distributors of ThermoMax -THE proven frost protection www.bdmax.co.nz - Original Message - From: Gil Robertson [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Biodynamic Food and Farming Discussion [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Tuesday, June 10, 2003 1:07 PM Subject: Re: prep making illegal in the EU My understanding is that Homoeopathic Preps are excluded. Would it be that Preps made using Rae Cards, be also excluded? Gil Tony Nelson-Smith wrote: Folks - I don't know about the illegality of making the preps but I suppose it has been technically illegal to use them, at least in the UK, for some longish time. Correctly speaking, only substances/chemicals approved by the Ministry of Agriculture and so labelled may be used, even in private gardens. It is thus against the law to apply (for example) common salt, as this is not an approved chemical. ___ BDNow mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] You can unsubscribe or change your options at: http://lists.envirolink.org/mailman/listinfo/bdnow ___ BDNow mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] You can unsubscribe or change your options at: http://lists.envirolink.org/mailman/listinfo/bdnow
Re: OZ product legals
Title: Re: OZ product legals Thanks David BdMax distributors of ThermoMax -THE proven frost protectionwww.bdmax.co.nz - Original Message - From: D S Chamberlain To: Biodynamic Food and Farming Discussion Sent: Tuesday, June 10, 2003 12:02 PM Subject: Re: OZ product legals Glen: As far as I know preps don't officially exist,so I know of no regs. As for your previous questions, I rang Customs who only seem to be interested in collecting tax etc try www.customs.gov.au and suggested contacting Australian Quarantine Inspection Service (AQIS) try www.affa.gov.au David C - Original Message - From: Garuda To: Biodynamic Food and Farming Discussion Sent: Monday, 9 June 2003 7:32 AM Subject: Re: OZ product legals Does anyone have any info on the status of the BD preps in the OZ ag regs??? GA BdMax distributors of ThermoMax -THE proven frost protectionwww.bdmax.co.nz - Original Message - From: Liz Davis To: Biodynamic Food and Farming Discussion Sent: Monday, June 09, 2003 8:00 AM Subject: Re: OZ product legals Hi GlenDid a quick search around and the best I can come up with is Australian Pest and Vet Medicine Australia (APVM). They do refer to standards, products and residues. Maybe from here you may find what you are looking for? LLLiz on 8/6/03 7:53 AM, Garuda at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hullo AustraliaI am wondering if anyone here knows about the regulatory requirements necessary to be able to seel a horticulture product in OZ.Here in NZ we have to get ACVM clearance re residues and labelling through the NZ food safety authority.What is the similiar body in OZ?What are the BDA and other product manufactures doing re this in OZ .many thanksGlen A___BDNow mailing list[EMAIL PROTECTED]You can unsubscribe or change your options at:http://lists.envirolink.org/mailman/listinfo/bdnow ___BDNow mailing list[EMAIL PROTECTED]You can unsubscribe or change your options at:http://lists.envirolink.org/mailman/listinfo/bdnow ___BDNow mailing list[EMAIL PROTECTED]You can unsubscribe or change your options at:http://lists.envirolink.org/mailman/listinfo/bdnow ___BDNow mailing list[EMAIL PROTECTED]You can unsubscribe or change your options at:http://lists.envirolink.org/mailman/listinfo/bdnow ___ BDNow mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] You can unsubscribe or change your options at: http://lists.envirolink.org/mailman/listinfo/bdnow
Re: prep making illegal in the EU
Homeopathic preps come of age GA BdMax distributors of ThermoMax -THE proven frost protectionwww.bdmax.co.nz - Original Message - From: The Korrows To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Tuesday, June 10, 2003 1:45 AM Subject: prep making illegal in the EU Dear Friends, I have just read in Anthroposophy Worldwide that as of May 1, 2003, it is illegal to make BD preps in the EU. Demeter international has opened an office in Brussels, the capitol, in order to have a presence and develop some good relations with the government people who make the decisions. At the time of publication, an editors note indicated that there was the possibility of the government reaching some kind of 'comprimise' in regards to this issue. I could easily see this happening in the US as a precautionary measure, although I doubt many government officials know that BD exists. Christy ___BDNow mailing list[EMAIL PROTECTED]You can unsubscribe or change your options at:http://lists.envirolink.org/mailman/listinfo/bdnow ___ BDNow mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] You can unsubscribe or change your options at: http://lists.envirolink.org/mailman/listinfo/bdnow
Re: OZ product legals
Title: Re: OZ product legals Thanks Lloyd G BdMax distributors of ThermoMax -THE proven frost protectionwww.bdmax.co.nz - Original Message - From: Lloyd Charles To: Biodynamic Food and Farming Discussion Sent: Sunday, June 08, 2003 5:08 AM Subject: Re: OZ product legals - Original Message - From: Garuda To: Biodynamic Food and Farming Discussion Sent: Monday, June 09, 2003 7:32 AM Subject: Re: OZ product legals Does anyone have any info on the status of the BD preps in the OZ ag regs??? GA Glen I'd be surprised if anyone has thought about this - organic certification is still not in the hands of officialdom, we have pesticide regs administered by a mix of ag dept and EPA, workcover also gets involved, its all about the suing you know, and about protecting access to overseasmarkets, has very little to do with safety, so last time I looked you can legally spray endosulfan on tomatoes three days before local consumption but must observe a six month witholding for grass pasture consumed by beef cattle. If I was in your position I think I'd go first for NASA certification as an organic input - that would probably open most of the other doors you need, we have a Australia NZ free trade agreement in place to ease the pain. Cheers Lloyd Charles ___BDNow mailing list[EMAIL PROTECTED]You can unsubscribe or change your options at:http://lists.envirolink.org/mailman/listinfo/bdnow ___ BDNow mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] You can unsubscribe or change your options at: http://lists.envirolink.org/mailman/listinfo/bdnow
Re: prep making illegal in the EU
Arjen While it may be illegal to make and apply BD preps in the EU it could be possible to use Homeopathic preps made from preps from outside the EU. Or to make them in Europe now from existing preps. My experience in the USA is that preps I took there from NZ - and going thru several X ray machines -worked very well there. In my case studies area of my site , the rabbit control pictures were achieved using NZ BD preps in PA near Pittsburg. re registration legislation seems that this has beaten everyone. We too in NZ are essentially illegal regarding ACVM legislation. Even if one gets registered or exempt there is a $320 annual fee to keep each product legal. I saw OZ is $620 pa. Looks like the end to the backyarders hoping to do a little cottage industry on the side. Just when 'they' start to enforce the law is the question. GA BdMax distributors of ThermoMax -THE proven frost protection www.bdmax.co.nz - Original Message - From: Arjen Huese [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Biodynamic Food and Farming Discussion [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Tuesday, June 10, 2003 3:52 AM Subject: Re: prep making illegal in the EU It is true about the making of the preparations being illegal here in Europe at the moment. The problem is in the burying of the organs; after all the animal diseases that we have had the last years (BSE, foot and mouth, chicken disease now in Holland, etc) legislation has become very strict on what you can and can't do with animal organs. So we either have to make them illegally, or ? There have been some experiments in Holland by a creative BDfarmer who made the preparations without the organs, by putting the herbs at a certain place in a replica Cheops pyramide. Apparantly there are different levels in the pyramide, that correspond with ...? I would love to hear from other people if they have any alternative ways of manufacturing the preparations. What are these Rae cards that Loyd was writing about last week? Apparantly there has been a lot of creativity in applying them (broadcasters, BDmax ready-sprays, orgon accumulators), but how about making them? Does everybody here follow the basic recipe? Arjen Huese ___ BDNow mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] You can unsubscribe or change your options at: http://lists.envirolink.org/mailman/listinfo/bdnow ___ BDNow mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] You can unsubscribe or change your options at: http://lists.envirolink.org/mailman/listinfo/bdnow
Re: prep making illegal in the EU
These preps you took to USA were they homeopathic preps? --- Yes is it homoepathic preps that you are using in your Etherics 1000 sprays? Yes And by dynamising them already when you make them into a homeopathic prep, you don't need to stir them for 1 hour any more? --- That would make sense wouldn't it? We have discussed the various ways of doing this on the list in the past and several different ways were suggested. To me stirring is a potentising process and done in the way suggested because of the quatities being stirred ie 3 gallons or 150 gallons as the case maybe. For smaller quatities normal potentising would/should be perfectly fine. Works for me. Whatever one does, you will create something, that you will have to learn what it does and how best to use it. No matter how you prepare it. Reality does not seem as precious as our beliefs. I am working my way through your Biodynamics Decoded and I am impressed I must say. Great to hear you are finding it of value. Have many other folk at Emerson come across it yet? It seems some pieces of the puzzle that were already moving through my hands are finding their places now. The 'Biodynamics Decoded' chart is best printed out and hung on the wall for constant reference. If your students know of this chart early in their course I reckon they would 'get it' (BD) much quicker than normally is the case. The 'manifestations' picture ( http://rimu.orcon.net.nz/garuda/manifest.htm ) is a further development of that chart. BD Decoded is a single vortex, Manifestations is the gyroscope, which is closer to the reality of things. A wee bit more complex but surprisingly interesting, especially when the circular periodic table is placed over it. http://rimu.orcon.net.nz/garuda/periodic.html. - A suggestion for the basis of a Biodynamic chemistry, perhaps? cheers Glen A Thanks! Arjen ___ BDNow mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] You can unsubscribe or change your options at: http://lists.envirolink.org/mailman/listinfo/bdnow ___ BDNow mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] You can unsubscribe or change your options at: http://lists.envirolink.org/mailman/listinfo/bdnow
Re: OZ product legals
Title: Re: OZ product legals Thanks Liz Always good to at least get the right name of where to start. cheers Glen A BdMax distributors of ThermoMax -THE proven frost protectionwww.bdmax.co.nz - Original Message - From: Liz Davis To: Biodynamic Food and Farming Discussion Sent: Monday, June 09, 2003 8:00 AM Subject: Re: OZ product legals Hi GlenDid a quick search around and the best I can come up with is Australian Pest and Vet Medicine Australia (APVM). They do refer to standards, products and residues. Maybe from here you may find what you are looking for? LLLiz on 8/6/03 7:53 AM, Garuda at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hullo AustraliaI am wondering if anyone here knows about the regulatory requirements necessary to be able to seel a horticulture product in OZ.Here in NZ we have to get ACVM clearance re residues and labelling through the NZ food safety authority.What is the similiar body in OZ?What are the BDA and other product manufactures doing re this in OZ .many thanksGlen A___BDNow mailing list[EMAIL PROTECTED]You can unsubscribe or change your options at:http://lists.envirolink.org/mailman/listinfo/bdnow ___BDNow mailing list[EMAIL PROTECTED]You can unsubscribe or change your options at:http://lists.envirolink.org/mailman/listinfo/bdnow ___ BDNow mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] You can unsubscribe or change your options at: http://lists.envirolink.org/mailman/listinfo/bdnow
Re: OZ product legals
Title: Re: OZ product legals Does anyone have any info on the status of the BD preps in the OZ ag regs??? GA BdMax distributors of ThermoMax -THE proven frost protectionwww.bdmax.co.nz - Original Message - From: Liz Davis To: Biodynamic Food and Farming Discussion Sent: Monday, June 09, 2003 8:00 AM Subject: Re: OZ product legals Hi GlenDid a quick search around and the best I can come up with is Australian Pest and Vet Medicine Australia (APVM). They do refer to standards, products and residues. Maybe from here you may find what you are looking for? LLLiz on 8/6/03 7:53 AM, Garuda at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hullo AustraliaI am wondering if anyone here knows about the regulatory requirements necessary to be able to seel a horticulture product in OZ.Here in NZ we have to get ACVM clearance re residues and labelling through the NZ food safety authority.What is the similiar body in OZ?What are the BDA and other product manufactures doing re this in OZ .many thanksGlen A___BDNow mailing list[EMAIL PROTECTED]You can unsubscribe or change your options at:http://lists.envirolink.org/mailman/listinfo/bdnow ___BDNow mailing list[EMAIL PROTECTED]You can unsubscribe or change your options at:http://lists.envirolink.org/mailman/listinfo/bdnow ___ BDNow mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] You can unsubscribe or change your options at: http://lists.envirolink.org/mailman/listinfo/bdnow
OZ product legals
Hullo Australia I am wondering if anyone here knows about the regulatory requirements necessary to be able to seel a horticulture product in OZ. Here in NZ we have to get ACVM clearance re residues and labelling through the NZ food safety authority. What is the similiar body in OZ? What are the BDA and other product manufacturesdoing re this in OZ. many thanks Glen A ___ BDNow mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] You can unsubscribe or change your options at: http://lists.envirolink.org/mailman/listinfo/bdnow
Re: Preps 500 and 501 Effects as they relate to Sequential Spraying
Lloyd Thank you for this wonderful picture of your experience. How do you place your preps in your broadcaster? You mention you use 500-508 plus the clays. How do you place these? and how often do you move them around? Glen A - Original Message - From: Lloyd Charles [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Biodynamic Food and Farming Discussion [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Thursday, June 05, 2003 3:46 AM Subject: Re: Preps 500 and 501 Effects as they relate to Sequential Spraying Subject: Re: Preps 500 and 501 Effects as they relate to Sequential Spraying Dear Merla I am unable to explain any of this but can offer a few comments/observations * the BD farmers in Australia who have encountered problems after a period of what looked like successful practice are mostly from the Alex Podolinsky group and have been mostly not using 501 or very little of it and certainly not in concert with 500 - and for sure no horn clay. I'm not challenging AP's knowledge but the message has not been filtering through to the other end of the pipeline. * these farms have suffered flat battery syndrome somewhere between 7 and 15 years. * The new organisation of Biodynamic agriculture that I belong to (Cheryl Kemp writes here sometimes) is promoting the spraying of 500 and 501 in back to back applications - 500 at evening and then 501 next morning over the same area, farmers that have done this so far are talking very nice results and more important have experienced none of the supposed ill effects from using 501 in what is a very warm and high light environment, they have NOT burned up their hay crop or had premature fruiting or all of the other things that worries people about using 501. * when we started using our broadcaster (three seasons ago ) I didnt have access to horn clay for some months and yes we got results (visible) but it was as if things were haphazard - the whole place went into rampant flowering in late spring / early summer - perennial weeds, the native plants, our home garden , everything just blazed into bloom. The look of it was as if we were shunting things one way then the other. * After about four months I got Rae cards that included the horn clays and made up a new set of reagents and I have always used horn clay since that time. In the broadcasters I use the full suite of preps 500 through to 508 plus horn clays. * I guess the best description I have is if you came to a furiously boiling pot and turned it down to a gentle simmer, we dont see as much happening (things are much more subtle), but I also think its much more stable and balanced. * its human nature that we look for a quick result, or a dramatic change, but I do think that a slow gentle shifting of the balance point is a lot more beneficial in the long run. Just a few thoughts from down under Cheers Lloyd Charles I just read Hugh Lovell's words on Prep 500 and 501 effects. It was way over my head since I can only understand what is going on with the plants on a intuitive basis. I want to do a sequential spraying on 3 1/2 acres of our land, the part that is not wooded, but fenced and in agricultural usage. I feel O.K. about BC, 500, 508, but really question the use of 501. It's really confusing to read Hugh's references to horn clay because Hugh Courtney doesn't include it in the sequence. Internal politics maybe? Should I order some horn clay? If I do, when do I spray it? We have glacial till soil with wind blown laos from Washington grain fields. Hugh C. suggested that I do it in leaf to stimulate water influences and I'm thinking about June 20-21. I don't do the whole 25 acres because it would be hard to spray in the trees and underbrush. Should I be doing that too? What am I doing when I do a sequential spray sequence? Can someone explain it to me the way Hugh Lovell is explaining in his post on 500 and 501, but in not quite so difficult a conceptual framework? Best, Merla ___ BDNow mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] You can unsubscribe or change your options at: http://lists.envirolink.org/mailman/listinfo/bdnow ___ BDNow mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] You can unsubscribe or change your options at: http://lists.envirolink.org/mailman/listinfo/bdnow ___ BDNow mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] You can unsubscribe or change your options at: http://lists.envirolink.org/mailman/listinfo/bdnow
Re: Fwd: Prep 500 and 501 effects
To whom it may be of a concern GA I ve found Lievegood and Glen Atkinson s concepts of primary and secondary processes helpful, but still find it hard to sort out what s happening.The primary cosmic silica forces from the outer planets work down into plants (enhanced by 501?) and into the soil, are held by silicate rocks in the earth, then clay facilitates their uptake into the plant by the Secondary Si process, giving form and pulling the plant upwards how? through activating auxins ? The primary (I would have said earthly) silica forces of the outer planets work upward from deep within the earth, and yes, they are enhanced by 501. I would have said the secondary (cosmic) silica forces (still of the outer planets) work downward from the atmosphere into the plant through the 508 (horsetail). But as I said, Glen has this figured out better than I do. I heretofore have been lost both in Steiner's explanations and Glen's. Thanks Hugh for writing your post. You provide a great picture to be with. With regards the above there is a bit of a confusion of words going on here. Your use of the words 'primary and secondary silica forces' are being used in a different manner to how I and I believe Lievegeod has presented them. Your use of the names cosmic and earthly and primary and secondary are as one would expect them to be from theapparant experience of nature, however if we look at Lievegeod he gives indications whichsuggest we need to look further. One would expect Cosmic Silica to be coming in the atmosphere and Earthly Si from the Earth however does primary translate into Earthly and does secondary translate into Cosmic. All the words used in this discussion are most confusing and I find it better to draw pictures, than try and describe it all, and so hence my books at my website. Please refer to the chapter " Biodynamic Plant Growth" http://rimu.orcon.net.nz/garuda/books/index.html. In Biodynamics Decoded. One of the primary issues I see is happening in Hughs combining of his perceptions and mine can be resolved once we see in the chapter I have outlined the way the forces work at the different layers of manifestations spiral. To observe plant growth as RS describes I have found it necessary to clearly differentiate teh activites of each level , 2 fold, 3 fold, 4 fold etc. Hugh talks a lot about how the forces work at level 2 and level 3, however from there he is becoming confused. In the book I have described how we have to sets of polarities. What I call a macro polarity which lives in the World bodies of creation and then a micro polarity which mainifests as the way the forces work internally in lifeforms. Level 2 - which exists externally to our human forms.ie we are not androgonous or bisexual we are monsexual and we need an external partner to mate with to produce life. Once we internalise the level 2 of polarity fully we will be androgonous hermaphidites. The point is at this level we have the Cosmic pole in polarity to the Earthly pole. in this instance I see the Cosmic as the male Si stream up the spiral via the nerve sense system , the elements of light and warmth adn the outer planets, while the Earthly is the female Calcium stream through the mode (3) of metabolism,elements of Water and Earth and the inner planets. see the chart http://rimu.orcon.net.nz/garuda/BDDecoded2.gif So at level 2 we have a Cosmic and Earthly. These should that not be mixed up with the use of Cosmic and Earthly later on up the spiral. Hugh talks alot about level 3 in his descriptions of 500 501 and horn clay. He also describes level 4s interaction in this process as well, however some confusion appears, be it only in the use of thewords possibly. We are saying essentially the same thing, although Hugh so eloquantly adds the details. Once we come to level 4 and 7 - via Lievegeod we come into a much more complex picture where we again meet the words Cosmic, Earthly, Primary, secondary, Matter, Forces and Calcium Silica. Best read what I have written under the 7 fold section. I first give Lievegeods diagramof primary and secondary processes, ala Goethe. In his book he outlines how the primary / cosmic/ Beingand secondary/Earthly/ Manifestprocesses work in plant growth. The primary are the building up forces while the Secondary Earthly forces are those we see manifestingin plant growth. These are outlined under Lievegeods chart. We can see from this that the last stage of seeding occurs in the Saturn 2 process. To get to what RS is talking about in the agriculture course we have to take a step through dimensions to come to what he says in lectures 2, 6 8 in the way he outlines the planets activity. We need to take the archtypal picture of how the planets externally influence manifestion and take them one step further towards matter to the laws standing closer to yet behind matter. This is achieved by
Re: Fwd: Prep 500 and 501 effects
Gill Sorry I missed this in my earlier post but you have the associations a little mixed here The primary cosmic silica forces from the outer planets work down into plants (enhanced by 501?) and into the soil, These are actually lievegeods/RS/my secondary outer planets terrestrial silica are held by silicate rocks in the earth, then clay facilitates their uptake into the plant by the Secondary Si process, primary outer planets, Cosmic Si, giving form and pulling the plant upwards how? these forces push the plant upwards. if anything it is the terrestrial Si processes thru the light and warmthwhich pull the plant towards it I trust my last post helped clarify this. I find if we hold the lec 8 diagram (pg 155 green agric.) in mind then it provides the answer. This is afterall the end product we are aiming to understand. In the metabolic region - above the earth- Earthly forces are the secondary Si outer planets lievegeod talks of. While the Cosmic Forces in the N/S, head, below ground are the primary outer planets, Cosmic Si processes. Both these 'head' forces work upwards, while both the metabolic forces work downwards. All very confusing, especially when we relate this back to level 2 polarity, external laws and we start calling the Head the Earthly 500 forces and the Belly 501 forces the Cosmic. hence the COSMIC contains Cosmic Substance and Earthly forces and the EARTHLY contains Cosmic Forces and Earthly Substance. I hope this helps. Glen A ___ BDNow mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] You can unsubscribe or change your options at: http://lists.envirolink.org/mailman/listinfo/bdnow
Re: Monsanto's Wheat
- . A normal ego based shrink would have a field day in this chat room. Welcome to deep space Eric, I for one am proud that the ONLY time theBDANZ allowed me to present my work to THEIR membership ( my fellow members)it was under a session entitled BEYOND THE FRINGE. and comparing myself to much that is discussed here, I would say I am slightly leftof centre I understand in deep space we have 2 golf balls full of Hydrogen toevery two football fields, so stay critical and look for those seed of cosmic essence that do exists here G
GarudaBD /BdMax efficacy trials
We have just posted the research report done by Gill Cole (BSc - ex BD council member currentMSc student) to www.bdmax.co.nz in Case Studies - BdMax efficacy trials. It was conducted on six or so of our products on broad beans. There are pictures and several graphs with various comparisons of shoot growth, root growth flowering and fruiting. Her summary “The main use of biodynamic preparations is to balance the various growth processes to produce more healthy plants … the BdMax sprays live up to their designated purpose. … in a trial set up to observe the effects of various BdMax sprays on plant growth and development … The different treatments (indicated by the spray names) had measurable effects form of leaves and roots, flower and seed development. … For example, Maximiser provided fast, vigorous growth with shallow roots. BdMax Root Growth Formula and Silica Max sprays encouraged deeper root development … The Thermo Max assisted the plant to grow in cold weather … The combination of sprays affected flowering date and number of flowers and thus timing and size of harvest.” Also there is some pictures on Grass growth trials. "Grass trials" These "sprayed" pictures are a result two applications of Etherics Seaweed and Warmth Spray / ThermoMax last spring. On our video it can be seen that the separation between the two areas was a long straightline across the paddock due to the pink flower heads. enjoy Glen A
Re: Monsanto's Wheat
Oops i may have got this wrong not football fields it should be size of Australia clarification anyone GA I understand in deep space we have 2 golf balls full of Hydrogen toevery two football fields, - Original Message - From: Garuda To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Saturday, March 22, 2003 9:47 AM Subject: Re: Monsanto's Wheat - . A normal ego based shrink would have a field day in this chat room. Welcome to deep space Eric, I for one am proud that the ONLY time theBDANZ allowed me to present my work to THEIR membership ( my fellow members)it was under a session entitled BEYOND THE FRINGE. and comparing myself to much that is discussed here, I would say I am slightly leftof centre I understand in deep space we have 2 golf balls full of Hydrogen toevery two football fields, so stay critical and look for those seed of cosmic essence that do exists here G
Re: Viewpoint of US military man: The idiot prince will have his war
Well, thanks Hugh for dropping our wee chat out there. This is indeed a good example to be watching. The outcome is still to come though! At present it sure looks like the place dominating force is used, in a move that stamps his rule of the world upon it, at the moment. Just to add a little reference. JFK had Pluto on his midheaven in Dallas. Hey would nt it be funny if at the meeting of the UN tonite, that the US is not attending, passes a resolution establishing sanctions on the US, Britian and Australia.? could be a bummer for George from the bottom of the Earth Glen - Original Message - From: Hugh Lovel [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Wednesday, March 19, 2003 9:22 AM Subject: Re: Viewpoint of US military man: The idiot prince will have his war Dear Deborah, Very, very interesting. First of all, I would not assume the Iraqi military will give any serious resistance to the Bush war machine. But the Kurds, who are the farmers of northern Iraq, have every expectation of being targeted by the US for the greater part of the destruction since Turkey is on the US side and mostly wants to see the Kurds worsted. Good analysis of the Kurd situation, and informative regarding the claim that Saddam gassed his own citizens in Kurdestan during the Iran/Iraq war. I find this information much more plausible--that the gas was an errant blow from the Iranian side rather than coming from the Iraqi side, since militarily Iraq had a lot more to lose from gassing those Kurds than not, and Iran had a lot more to gain since they weren't Iranian sympathisers but Iraqi farmers. Just another example of deliberate government misinformation, about on par with claiming Lee Harvey Oswald assassinated JFK. Say it enough and it passes into the history books as verity. What I fear is this war has nothing whatever to do with liberating Iraq, though I think that might be a good thing--even though I don't think it will happen. The US doesn't have a good history of liberating people, as foreign policy becomes very unpredictable when democrscy rises up and becomes very predictable when strongman rule occurs. It is not normally the US agenda to foster unpredictability, simple as that. But this war of occupation will very certainly provide the US the springboard for an invasion of Iran, which is not an option without having a big land army on the borders. That Bush would come to grief in this business was predicted to me early last October by Glen Atkinson who pointed out that GW has Pluto on his midheaven in Iraq. This is another way of saying that in Iraq he has the chance to be the big cheese, but it is extremely likely to be his utter and complete downfall. Pluto is the planet of death and rebirth, so hopefully it will teach him some really important, significant lesson on the soul level. More power to him. Bedst, Hugh Visit our website at: www.unionag.org
Re: GAIA
While James Lovelock did recant his hypothesis to regain some standing in the scientific community he then restated it again GA - Original Message - From: Spiritual Renaissance Center [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: BDNOW [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Monday, March 17, 2003 6:54 PM Subject: GAIA Does anyone have thoughts on the Gaia Hypothesis? Thanks. Timothy H. In the 1970s the British scientist James Lovelock formulated the Gaia hypothesis, which has attracted many followers. According to this theory, named after the Greek goddess of the earth, the planet behaves like a single living organism. Lovelock postulated that the earth, like many organisms, can regulate its temperature, dispose of its wastes, and fight off disease. Although the Gaia hypothesis serves as a convenient metaphor for the interconnections among living beings, it does not have any particular scientific merit.
Re: Chromas and humus Was Electronic homeopathy for plants.
Hugh I have not suggested my preps are better. I said they were different in my experience. Much more research into comparability is needed before such a statement could be made. cheers GA - Original Message - From: Hugh Lovel [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Friday, March 14, 2003 6:29 PM Subject: Re: Chromas and humus Was Electronic homeopathy for plants. James Hedley writes: Dear Glen, What was the qualitative difference between the radionically potentised preparations and the hand succussing? It would be hard to put it up as a valid test if both doses were not derived from the same substance. One batch of preps could vary very markedly from those prepared at a different time. Were the symptom pictures the same at both times? You may be right that your manually potentised preps are better than radionically prepared preps, but somehow it is important to compare apples with apples and that it is the same parameters that are being tested. An agronomist friend of mine claims that before you can visually see a difference in a pasture there would have to be at least 25% difference to be able to see it.. . . . Kind regards James Dear Glen, James, et. al., I think it was generous of James to say that Glen may be right that his manually potentized preps are better then radionically prepared preps. Which is not to suggest that James's radionically potentized preps are better either. But I might remind both that in Steiner's agriculture course he remarks how the enthusiasm of the practitioner for his method enters into his remedies, and it counts for a lot. So it seems to me that both Glen and James might make remedies with great enthusiasm. A couple years ago James' story about the Portugese milipedes in Gulgong and how he got rid of them with his radionic instrument and spraying was a great example of enthusiasm and its effectiveness. Personally I once shared Glen's view that manually potentized preps simply had to be better. But I found myself having to be very fussy about measurments and once in a while I caught myself making mistakes in one fashion or another. My enthusiasm suffered, and I tried a few radionic potentizations of water. My results were good, so my enthusiasm for making radionic potencies grew a bit. Harvey Lisle criticized and could generally tell by dowsing which were radionic and which were manually diluted and succussed. After all, that information is there in the ethers. But instead of considering the results he simply dismissed the radionic potencies as dead. This was an opinion he and I had shared to a few years earlier at a radionic conference when we had first seen radionic BD preps made with a hieronymus instrument and a double dial rate setting. I felt the enthusiasm that went into my radionic preps (which were prepared by Lorraine Cahill with her Malcolm Rae instrument) was definitely not dead and that he was mixing dowsing with prejudice--always a bad combination. I must admit to a contrary streak and this had the effect of hardening my resolve to investigate radionic potencies, and I'm not at all sorry I have. In the process I've found that radionics is quick, clean, precise and sure. All of these add fire to my enthusiasm for radionics. I don't think radionics is any end all or be all. I think we each potentially have the power to make potencies without any equipment--just our own bodies and spirits, our minds, hearts and wills. I think that way will grow in peoples' enthusiasms and will become the method of preference for the folks of tomorrow, as it was for that guy back a couple thousand years ago in Palestine. Right now people are crawling, or they are walking on crutches. That's okay. It just isn't the wave of the future is all. Best, Hugh Lovel Visit our website at: www.unionag.org
Re: Chromas and humus Was Electronic homeopathy for plants.
Lloyd Trials we have done with our preparations have shown that 250mls per hectare is about the lowest amount I would suggest you apply for 1:10 hand potentised preps. More is probably OK for most circumstances, however less is definitely not suggested - by me anyway. Tests are good Glen A - Original Message - From: Lloyd Charles [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Thursday, March 13, 2003 8:08 PM Subject: Re: Chromas and humus Was Electronic homeopathy for plants. Hi Glen Thanks for the reply # Glen - When you say potentised preps is that specifically potentised by dilution and sucussion? Yes prepared physically by hand. I still have a lot of my chemical farmer mentality hanging around in the background - if I made -say - a weed pepper hand potentised how much quantity of it would I need to put into my 1300litre spray tank to cover 26 hectares? Cheryl tells me 10 drops is enough and while in theory I can say she may be right, I have a mental problem with ten drops. I can not really help you with radionically applied either by spray or device, and their effect, as I have not had alot of experience of them. Looks like I need to trial this at home. Can someone provide some picture evidence of the effect on plants re radionic preps verses control please, ala those on my website / Case Studies? I might have a couple of good pictures soon that would help with this, can I email them to you. (thats if i can get them scanned in properly) cheers Lloyd Charles
Re: Chromas and humus Was Electronic homeopathy for plants.
see below - Original Message - From: James Hedley [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Friday, March 14, 2003 1:55 AM Subject: Re: Chromas and humus Was Electronic homeopathy for plants. Dear Glen, What was the qualitative difference between the radionically potentised preparations and the hand succussing? It would be hard to put it up as a valid test if both doses were not derived from the same substance. One batch of preps could vary very markedly from those prepared at a different time. They were developed from the same base essence Were the symptom pictures the same at both times? The essence used was known to develop a dramatic onesided effect in humans We had three people trial the difference The effect of the hand done one was so dramatic on one subject that they needed the antidote within minutes. The box produced one had not such effect. I may have used the box incorrectly however I did follow the instructions. AS I say I need to do more such trials before anything really conclusive. We have just got onto other things lately. You may be right that your manually potentised preps are better than radionically prepared preps, I am not saying better I am say 'act differently' but somehow it is important to compare apples with apples and that it is the same parameters that are being tested. An agronomist friend of mine claims that before you can visually see a difference in a pasture there would have to be at least 25% difference to be able to see it. I have looked at the problem of chromas as a measurement indicator, however much of the skill with this type of qualitative analysis is in the evaluation. Different viewers will put different interpretations on the chromas. Quality such as that one substance was better than another cannot be ascertained without first setting the parameters that indicate quality. Could we do it by comparison of Brix levels, and would that be an overall comparison of quality? Certainly of effect. The problems of how to set up an experiment so the results can be considered valid are a biometricians nightmare. A trial could never be considered conclusive if it was based only on one experiment on one plant. Maybe what is needed is the same sort of dedication shown by Lili Kolisko or Maria Thun of trying to test for the effects of substance and forces. that would require the financial support of those who have the most to gain.Would the New Zealand Biodynamic Association be prepared to support you in a long term evaluation project. They have not been so far so, no reason to believe they would in the future. They are not interested in any form of homeopathic or radionic research here. Ostriches mate. To date BD researchers - unless they come from Europe - do not rate as having any valid reason for even being members of the Assn, and definitely not to be listened too. They would rather bumble along believing the half cooked ideas of their ideologs, and recant their errors every few years, than listen to experience. So be it. NZ Demeter growers are the lowest priority for us to supply to, Strange really. Maybe the Ozzie BDA would be interested it seems you have a much livelier open minded group going on there. Who knows we maybe able to fund such a project in the near future ourselves. We have a significant research budget allocated this year. re acceptance of radionics. put the proof on paper and get the research through a official channel. I have been amazed at the doors flinging open to us since we have the Hortresearch documents on our warmth spray. We now exist. The industry was happy to loose $110 million last spring, and still not invest in a $10 bottle of our product - on the market and advertised for 5 years - to do a trial for themselves. Go figure. I have learnt my lesson. cheers Glen A
Re: Chromas and humus Was Electronic homeopathy for plants.
- Original Message - From: James Hedley [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Wednesday, March 12, 2003 10:21 PM Subject: Re: Chromas and humus Was Electronic homeopathy for plants. Dear Lloyd, The idea that potentised preps stay put as proposed by Glen does not agree with my understanding and use of radionically prepared substances. It would appear you are indentifying an essential difference between Potentised and radionic preps - all the more reason to be clear in their naming when discussing them. By their very nature of application I would expect radionic preps to radiate. re potentised preps radiation , please inspect the pictures on my website, especially the Kale trials, where three plants, side by side, from the same punnet have been sprayed differently with 3 different outcomes. When I first began using pot. preps and spread them with a brush I had green strips across the lawn, which did not even out. (This was done 12 years ago and similiar results have occurred since) This was the first hint. I recently did trials on coriander, very close together which have shown the same effect. We also have on video -CD available- the results of some spring spraying where there is a distinct line in the paddock between the sprayed and unsprayed areas. One is dairy pasture the other is all off to seed. No diffused area whatsover. The results and pictures speak for themselves. What is your explanation if you do not accept these pictures proposal? If radionic preps stayed put you would not be able to use a small amount in your BC and expect it to permeate through the whole mix. It would just be a few drops scattered amongst the compost. if there was not a radiational effect Glen would not be able to claim that his possum retardant can be mixed into sand and a handful thrown out every 20 metres or so. The story above is from Peter Bacchus who was spreading unpotentised possum ash. Which no doubt has a radiation effect. Over the last 10 months I have been spraying pot. possum preps , not peppers, and it is obvious from the possum trails leading into and out of the tree on the edge of the sprayed area, that traffic in is normal from two directions - as seen in tracks thru long grass- however the track to the house from the tree was difficult to see, hence little to no use. Sadly I did not video this before the grass was eaten off. Supposing that you were to dilute a litre of preps from Glen, in whatever amount of water that he suggests, if the homoeopathic preps had no radiational effect on the rest of the water why would you dilute it. Is the water just a carrier or does something happen to the water. It seems to me that the memory pattern from the potentised preps permeates the medium through osmosis. Yes the water is acting as a carrier of the potentised preps. It is mixing with and being carried by, no doubt there is some combining into the memory function of the water. Where it carries it to though, is were it stays. Thus we suggest fine sprays over the area to be treated. with regards potentised weed peppers, many people make these and they are sprayed around with a fine spray usually. Peter has a dairy farming client who did Ragwort last year with some pretty amazing results. Maybe he can tell us more about this with regards to seed germination? regards Glen A
Re: Chromas and humus Was Electronic homeopathy for plants.
# Glen - When you say potentised preps is that specifically potentised by dilution and sucussion? Yes prepared physically by hand. I can not really help you with radionically applied either by spray or device, and their effect, as I have not had alot of experience of them. The few tests I have done with my physically potentised preps and radionic versions - via square box- of the same, produced very different results in me when I have taken them. The radionic preps effect was minimal compared to the physical pot prep. I need to do more trials on this before I am convinced Radionic preps and potentised preps are the same thing. Can someone provide some picture evidence of the effect on plants re radionic preps verses control please, ala those on my website / Case Studies? cheers GA # When I talk of radionically prepared preps I mean things that are potentised by instrument but are then applied by spraying out onto a target . I have assumed that both of the above stay where you put them and was hoping that your work would support that assumption in both cases. (this has important implications for how we use these) #Application of either of the above by radionic broadcast of any type I would expect to radiate out to boundaries and be difficult to keep from effecting small areas (test plots) within the broader boundary. Does this make sense? does this agree with your experience or have I strayed somewhere? You have been doing this a lot longer than me and I would appreciate your guidance Thanks Lloyd Charles
Re: Help with Our Feathered Friends
Tony It does not seem specific, just any eating the crop that is sprayed. G - Original Message - From: Rambler Flowers LTD [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Saturday, March 08, 2003 9:31 AM Subject: Re: Help with Our Feathered Friends - Original Message - From: Garuda [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Tuesday, March 04, 2003 7:57 AM Subject: Re: Help with Our Feathered Friends We have a bird scare spray which has shown good results on various crops. Hi Glen. What species of birds? Thankyou Tony R
Re: Subscriber exodus
I wish to support this being a BD agriculture list and not a political hotbed ( to which I have added from time to time) GA - Original Message - From: Doug Jay Stewart [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Saturday, March 08, 2003 7:14 AM Subject: Subscriber exodus From: Allan Balliett [EMAIL PROTECTED] Thanks again, Jane. We lost several members of BD Now! last week due to your persistent efforts to support the illusion of 'conspiracies.' (They unsubscribed) Seeing a beautiful portraite of President Bush on the cover of today's Washington Post makes me feel that perhaps it is I who is deluded, though. -Allan Allan, Some of us have seen this (political) delusion on your part for some time. And I do not say this with any animosity intended. As an example, Noam Chomsky is a very clever and skilled writer which makes his pieces look and seem very good. However, when one looks deeper at his facts, the deception becomes apparent. Subscriber exodus: What I feared and expressed in an email appeal to Jane (and Allan) several weeks ago to separate political posts from BD is gradually coming to pass. People who joined BDNow for info and inspiration on biodynamics are quitting in disgust. Greg Willis is so right in his observation that it is the very proponents of BD who do the most to prevent its general acceptance. Those of us who have a different view of world events find that on this list there is ONE CORRECT POLITICAL VIEW ONLY! It is that espoused by Jane (and seemingly seconded by Allan)! She is so attached to this view that she is blind to the fact that it is destroying BDNow! I could post volumes to counter Jane's posts, but have chosen not to since my, apparently mistaken, assumption was that this list is for BD ag related info. Well, I am sorry to see BDNow die. I will miss the periodic gems I find here. Hopefully someone else will start a new BD email list. Peace, Doug _ The new MSN 8: advanced junk mail protection and 2 months FREE* http://join.msn.com/?page=features/junkmail
Re: Scientific proof of Homeopathic BD prep efficacy
Thanks P AS one would almost expect of fanatical sceptics I will not waste my time G - Original Message - From: BP Bell To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Wednesday, March 05, 2003 3:12 PM Subject: Re: Scientific proof of Homeopathic BD prep efficacy G'day:I know of a dowsing friend in India who submitted detailed documents to "R", put all the correspondence on line, over the months, and funny thing, once it was clear to R's group that it was serious, the fellow in India stopped receiving communication. CheersPenelopeLloyd Charles wrote: - Original Message ----- From: Garuda [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Tuesday, March 04, 2003 6:10 AM Subject: Re: Scientific proof of Homeopathic BD prep efficacy Got the details? I sure it would made a few press inches, and make our development easier, if we could collect this. GA Glen This is probably Randi - the guy is a first class a-- - you do not wanna go there. No matter what you managed to prove with this guy you will never get his money. Cheers Lloyd Charles .
Re: Scientific proof of Homeopathic BD prep efficacy
- Original Message - From: D S Chamberlain [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Wednesday, March 05, 2003 11:18 AM Subject: Re: Scientific proof of Homeopathic BD prep efficacy Well done Glen. Thanks A couple of questions, who are HortResearch? Yes hortResearch are an independant -semi government - top of the heap NZ research group Are they independent of you? Yes they are independant research contractors to all of horticulture Is BDMAX your brand? Yes, we have rebranded as Garuda has negative connotation on this side of the planet due to GAruda Airlines having and image of cheap and nasty. BdMax also images our taking BD practises to the limit and seeing what they can do. No holds barred and NO FEAR. The beauty of the ThermoMax trials are they were on chemical apples in bags and worked. The results and the presentation of them are impressive. Thanks David. We hope to have more available in the future as we embark on wide ranging efficay trials with hortresarch. 501, ripening and bird controls on grapes all begin their trials today. Results in a few months. These trials will be done on chemical orchards so if the results are positive, as others we have done on chemical grapes have been, then BD brakes out of its confines of only be applied to the .1% OF HORTICULTURE AND can easily effect mainstream markets. G David C - Original Message - From: Garuda [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Monday, 3 March 2003 11:48 AM Subject: Scientific proof of Homeopathic BD prep efficacy IF there was ever any doubt homeopathic BD preps work we now have scientific proof for all to see Our frost protection spray ThermoMax has passed the test with flying colours check out the HortReseach graph at www.bdmax.co.nz 50% more fruit set @ a -2C frost 33% @ -4C not bad for fairy dust GA
Re: Help with Our Feathered Friends
We have a bird scare spray which has shown good results on various crops. We are beginning trial on grapes with HortResearch tomorrow and should have the results in a couple of months. Otherwise you could have a go. What is your crop? GA - Original Message - From: Spiritual Renaissance Center [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: BDNOW [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Tuesday, March 04, 2003 5:32 AM Subject: Help with Our Feathered Friends It seems that our Feathered Friends really enjoy our crops. We have put reflector tape out, which only seems to work a few days. Does anyone have any workable solutions; physical, energetic or elemental? Thanks. TJH
Re: Scientific proof of Homeopathic BD prep efficacy
Got the details? I sure it would made a few press inches, and make our development easier, if we could collect this. GA - Original Message - From: gideon cowen [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Monday, March 03, 2003 8:38 PM Subject: Re: Scientific proof of Homeopathic BD prep efficacy some Yankee magician (?) was offering $1 million to anyone who could prove homeopathy under 'scientific' tests. You could be in the money there Glen ! Gideon, boy do I watch too much TV ! - Original Message - From: Garuda [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Monday, March 03, 2003 1:48 AM Subject: Scientific proof of Homeopathic BD prep efficacy IF there was ever any doubt homeopathic BD preps work we now have scientific proof for all to see Our frost protection spray ThermoMax has passed the test with flying colours check out the HortReseach graph at www.bdmax.co.nz 50% more fruit set @ a -2C frost 33% @ -4C not bad for fairy dust GA
Re: Scientific proof of Homeopathic BD prep efficacy
tHANKS FOR THE ADVICE The website talks about paranormal and I did not see any mention of homeopathics on the quick scan I did of the site, so I emailed for clarification. G - Original Message - From: Lloyd Charles [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Tuesday, March 04, 2003 12:38 PM Subject: Re: Scientific proof of Homeopathic BD prep efficacy - Original Message - From: Garuda [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Tuesday, March 04, 2003 6:10 AM Subject: Re: Scientific proof of Homeopathic BD prep efficacy Got the details? I sure it would made a few press inches, and make our development easier, if we could collect this. GA Glen This is probably Randi - the guy is a first class a-- - you do not wanna go there. No matter what you managed to prove with this guy you will never get his money. Cheers Lloyd Charles
The real AOE
If the UN does not impose sanctions on the USA UK and Australia (the real axis of evil against life) for their illegal war on Iraq, then a peoples sanctions against them can and should be set in motion Of course a war in Iraq with out the security councils OK and no sanctions imposed on the perpetrators means the UN is a dead duck. In such a case a new international body built around the non aligned nations, EU and ASEAN would form to create a new international body without a veto controlled security council of course. Naturally the axis of evil (AOE) will become the enemy of this international community and isolated in their own sectors of aggression. One part of the astro of this time Jupiter Neptune opposition is an aspect of deception , mostly of the self (and vision). Tis interesting how the US is trying to decieve the whole planet, with no proof whatsever, other than restating over and over their own delusion. They are even deluded enough to believe the rest of the world will buy it. Saturn Pluto opposition is win at all costs. HenceWinning at all cost thru the use of delusion or so they believe All the trines of the present Jupiter trine Pluto and Saturn trine Neptune are the hopes for a sensible and authorative solution to the above. The longer this goes on the harder it is for the AOE to carry on this farce. So UN this is indeed your last chance . If you do not stand and be counted for truth, its all over rover for you. GA - Original Message - From: Allan Balliett [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Friday, February 28, 2003 2:50 AM Subject: Gary Zimmer, Jerry Brunetti on the OZ/NZ Three-Up Tour You folks in Australia and New Zealand will not want to miss Graeme Sait and Nutri-Tech's awesome late March/Early April eductional tour. Gary Zimmer, one of the US' foremost biological farming teachers, and Jerry Brunetti, Americas foremost 'health of the soil = the health of the herd (and nation!)' teachers, as well as brilliant Graeme Sait himself will be speaking at several locations. More info at the nutri-tech pages, I'm sure, or email me off-line at [EMAIL PROTECTED] and I'll email you the killer .pdf file. http://www.nutri-tech.com.au Anyone downunder interested in getting a jump start on the Albrecht method, grab your soil tests and head to this great event! -Allan Anyone interested in seeing the Albrecht-oriented soil tests from my new garden, also drop me a line and I'll email them to you
Re: UPDATE ON HUGH IN OZ?
Whether Hugh 'brought' the rain or not is impossible to know. Tis always helpful to make rain when there are a string of heavy planetary aspects leading me to predict major rain events throughout NZ for this last week period. No doubt rain making efforts could have enhanced these basic influences GA
Hauschka wisdom
Pg 24 Nutrition An ego that has interiorised the divinely ordered universe will have a true perspective on the material world. It will imprint its own spirit on the world and thus transform it. GA
Who is harming americans the most
Hello , I came across this little pearl... K U.S. Deaths in 2002 from terrorism: 4,000 +/- U.S. Deaths in 2002 from Automobile Accidents: 40,000 + U.S. Deaths in 2002 from Tobacco Related Causes: 400,000 + Kind RegardsKaren Summerhays. Regional Councillor Ph 07 544 3858Environment BOP Fax 07 544 3838Tauranga Constituency Waikite Rd, R D 5[EMAIL PROTECTED] TAURANGA - Original Message - From: Eric Myren To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Wednesday, February 05, 2003 4:09 PM Subject: Crystaline Structure in Water Has anyone on the list every done work on the effects of music on plants or water or the water in plants? I know this may not exactly be Steiner inspired but it has peaked my interest because I was just sent a link by my mother-in law that has some absolutely awe inspiring photos of water that have been exposed to various types of music and other forms of stimulus. By showing the affect on the crystallization structure of the water, it clearly demonstrates the effects of intension on physical matter.://www.adhikara.com/water.html again this site has photographs p.s. Is any one in dryer areas of the planet using flow forms to enliven the water that they do have?
Re: BD News/Dr.Thomas Cowan/Guelph/Toronto
If you do not have a decent bandwidth - jetstream or even good phone lines - then the audio files will take ages to download. As for me. G - Original Message - From: Allan Balliett [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Tuesday, February 04, 2003 2:35 PM Subject: Re: BD News/Dr.Thomas Cowan/Guelph/Toronto The man from Garuda said: Bandwidth, bandwidth bandwidth Does this mean something to you? It doesn't mean anything to me. What are you talking about? (I'm asking in earnest) Thanks -Allan
Re: York back up, Other Soundfile News
I am having trouble getting any length of streaming info, however the first clanger seems to be BD can not correct all the problems you have? Why not? GA - Original Message - From: Allan Balliett [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Monday, February 03, 2003 8:08 AM Subject: Re: York back up, Other Soundfile News The address for the York file is http://www.gardeningforthefuture.com From there, click on the BIODYNAMICS button on the bottom of the page And then click through on the York banner. (Check out the under-progress MABFAFC banner, also!) Perry- Let me know how this works out for you -Allan
Re: COMPOST TEA was Re: Perry's recnt posts
Bob Not sure if this is reply to my earlier post ? it would appear it is unneccessary if our experience is anything to go by. We have grown table grapes in aplastichouse for some 5 seasons with no fungalproblems of any sort. We are now working with outside wine grapes -to achieve the same. My comments were in response to Alan Yorks comments of 'no need to extend BD prep usage'' - yet he still sprays Sulphur as a fungicide. In short he still does not have his vineyards balanced or knows his preps well enough to use them to balance the environment. This is organics with the BD preps, not biodynamics. GA - Original Message - From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Tuesday, February 04, 2003 7:37 AM Subject: Re: COMPOST TEA was Re: Perry's recnt posts Is there no level or no amount of S that is not "gross"?There are times that we apply 3 pounds per acre of dusting sulfur to beautiful hillside vines that have been certified organic for 15 years.Its only on occasion, not even every year. These vines produce grapes that are very high quality, composted, cover cropped, fed soil minerals, fed foliar minerals and respectedloved by those who work with them. What's is so horribly gross about this practice? These are 20-50 acre fields. Our training, pruning and manipulation of the canopy and crop during the season is a primary prevetion of PM.I seen first hand some of the drawbacks of sulfur. But there are trade offs in not using sulfur. Low rates of sulfur, used early in the season does not end up in wine, as a general rule.Bob
Re: BD News/Dr.Thomas Cowan/Guelph/Toronto
Bandwidth, bandwidth bandwidth - Original Message - From: Allan Balliett [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Tuesday, February 04, 2003 7:34 AM Subject: Re: BD News/Dr.Thomas Cowan/Guelph/Toronto Manfred - Thanks for this pertinent post. Your efforts to report are appreciated. I have a 1.5 hour Tom Cowan presentation to post to the sound files when we get through this troubleshooting stage. How do we get through this troubleshooting stage, well, people, access the York file and tell me if it works for you or not and, if not, call your ISP and find out 'why' This is only going to happen if we work at it together and there's work that can be done from any seat. Thanks -Allan
Re: Jane Allan - PLEASE START ANOTHER LIST FOR...
Jane How about one post with links rather than lots of individual posts. GA - Original Message - From: Doug Jay Stewart [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Cc: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Tuesday, February 04, 2003 5:56 AM Subject: Jane Allan - PLEASE START ANOTHER LIST FOR... PLEASE start another list for BD + world events. Then invite all those on the current list to subscribe if they wish. I continually read on this list laments that BD is not gaining ground. If this list is the main internet email list covering BD, I can easily see why. What I see here is that if people do innocently subscribe wanting BD info, the volume and size of emails not directly relating to BD surpasses those that are info about BD. It is really quite discourging to open ones email box after several weeks away and find it full and not accepting further emails because of the volume and size of emails that came from BD Now. Jane, I couldn't agree more that there is a relationship between BD, sprituality and the greater world. I think it would be a fine service for you to start a list to cover such. This would also allow you to be free of crap thrown your way from some here on this list. How about it Jane and Allan - would you consider starting a second list? Regards, Doug From: Gil Robertson [EMAIL PROTECTED] Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: to Jane Sherry Date: Tue, 28 Jan 2003 11:27:14 +1030 Thank you Jane, Last time I dared to mention that I did not understand why, in the face if Allan's stand on short emails, he allowed your seemingly endless, non original postings, he threatened to unsub me. So this time he may do just that. I do not understand why you think that an interest in BD necessarily means we are not capable of accessing our own information. I find that to be an unreasonable generalisation. I for one will enjoy the reduction of non theme traffic. Gil Jane Sherry wrote: Dear Happy Biodynamic specialists, I really do wish you luck in trying to promote/use/educate bd methods divorced from spirituality and the great big world out there! Frankly, I am tired of being the object of people's bull shit, anger, misplaced emotions or just frustration because I have this idea that bd is part of a larger whole. _ MSN 8 with e-mail virus protection service: 2 months FREE* http://join.msn.com/?page=features/virus
Re: preps
1. Did Steiner really intend BD502-507 to be used solely in compost manufacture? GA No he discussed using Oak Bark against fungal at in the 6th lecture G
Re: to Jane Sherry
Title: Re: to Jane Sherry Yes Moon Venus Saturn Pluto is the next few days Power issues,control, emotional sensitivity, bottom lines are challenged all this week. Any persecutor, victim, saviour issues should be on display. Relationship hidden or delayed, cum deniedmatters all come to a head. Keep an eye on the MArs transit to follow around the 15th Feb. (Can georgey boy keep his finger off the trigger from then on?) Here is the rest of the worlds chance to keep the US back in some form of box. CAn we do it??? The perrennial question of Pluto inflicted people -how to manage the raging self obcessed psychopath that lives in the basement?. GA - Original Message - From: Moen Creek To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Wednesday, January 29, 2003 9:10 AM Subject: Re: to Jane Sherry In my option all of this just the finger points to the Moon and that's BDNow FolksIn Love * LightMarkessOH ya Kristo writes the midwestern's view of this: Tuesday 1/28/03The Sagittarian MOON Conjuncts PLUTO (in his Coniunctio to VENUS, and theirOpposition to SATURN) at 6:35 AM CST -6GMT. Are there any lessons for the day???That's a good question because the word "lesson" requires a bit of attention in thecurrent zeitgeist. In most instances it tends to imply some sort of payoff attached to anexperience which may or may not be felt as uncomfortable, unpleasant or even boring. Italso seems to imply the presence of a teacher, and of course...a student. Today...wemeet them all. LUNA Conjuncts VENUS at 12:13 PM, Opposes SATURN at 12:43 PM, and VENUSexactly Opposes SATURN at 6:13 PM. Life is no classroom, although we spend plenty oftime in them. Life isn't a teacher, although plenty of time is spent sitting in front of them.Life is neither subject nor object, although we take some stuff personally and some stuffobjectively. LUNA Sextiles unaspected URANUS at 9:26 PM, and goes Void of Course for 4 hoursand 4 minutes. All students of life graduate today...and then take a short vacation.School's out...and it's never going to resume. There's no payoff...there's only the Tao. From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Jane Parker wroteIs it possible we are acting out of the macrocosmic paradigm right now on this micorsosmic scale? Please we are brothers and sisters here, and I would urge and invite us to request of one another and ask of one another not point fingers or blame or sound condescending etc..in our communications with each and the other.
Garuda BD Sprays results
We have up dated our website with some pictures of the effects of some of our BD sprays http://get.to/garuda go to 'Case Studies' (on left), then 'Plant trials' There are some showing the effects of our possum spray on a tree that has been long term grazed by possums - this is not peppering. This method is based on the compost preps as reasonance harmonisers. Also rooting comp., frost protection and pictures of leaves showing the different growth habit from a couple of sprays. In short these pictures show the proof of the efficacy of Homeopathic BD preps and its further extension of Biodynamic applications. We will be posting Gill Cole's research paper on the efficacy of several Garuda sprays in a few days. Also a 'Growers Guide' to Garuda Sprays and 'Common Questions' section have been added. enjoy GA
Re: ???
Go Mausdorfer. - Original Message - From: Teresa Seed [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Sunday, January 26, 2003 9:11 AM Subject: ??? Dear group I'm going to have to put a title on this at the end, if at all. Perhaps I should limit it to just one theme - which will be, for now, where is BD in the UK at? Are there any British BDers who are experimenting with Steiner's preps, be it with homoeopathy, radionics or whatever? It would be really good to have someone close enough to compare notes with and actually go and see successful BD in practice. I've dipped my toes in to the extent of spraying the preps once a couple of months ago and I intend using them quite frequently. How often is enough? What are the signs that I should be looking for that they are having an effect? I got my preps from Paul van Midden in Scotland. He sells, as well as 500 to 508, something called the Mausdorfer Compost Starter/Birch Pit Concentrate. 'This (I quote from the brochure) is developed by Dr Christian von Wistinghausen from the international biodynamic preparation centre in Mausdorf, Germany. It is based on the concept of the birch pit concentrate, has added to it basalt meal, egg shells and herbs and comes in dried form to conserve its effectiveness. The Mausdorfer compost starter is a means of applying the compost preparations in sheet composting (ie incorporating fresh organic material in the top soil like ploughing in a grass ley or green manure) or continuous composting situations where fresh material is constantly added (ie in cattle sheds or domestic compost heaps). This starter can be used in addition to the regular use of the compost preparations and is useful in situations where it is difficult to use the compost preparations in the normal manner.' Has anyone heard of this or used it? It sounds like a useful addition. Teresa _ MSN Messenger - fast, easy and FREE! http://messenger.msn.co.uk
Re: BD501 as a Weed Control was Re: BD501 as Herbicide
James Thanks for the pat on the back. Yes on all your other points I too do not mind the occassional self proclaimed success as u may have noticed. It just seems others and myself seem to express some degree of scepticism, till it happens a few times. So be it. It is an interesting phenomena on this list though, the things that just go clunk! All grist for the mill though. GA - Original Message - From: James Hedley [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Friday, January 24, 2003 12:40 AM Subject: Re: BD501 as a Weed Control was Re: BD501 as Herbicide Dear Glen, Sorry I dont have a web page developed as yet. Hopefully some time this year. I dont see any problem with self proclaimed success. I expect that what I do will be successful. If it is not, then I will do whatever it takes to find out why it was not successful. Fortunately for us there is plenty of scope in Agricultural homeopathy and radionics to give the most fertile of minds free rein as to what they can explore. Isn't it great that we live in such interesting times that there are so many problems that we can put our minds to. Keep up the good work at some point the world will recognise the value of the pearls of wisdom that come from the mind of Glen Atkinson, Sincere regards James Hedley Radiasesthesia and Radionic Analysis Radionic Insect and Parasite control Bioethical Agriculture Consultant - Original Message - From: Garuda [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Thursday, January 23, 2003 7:44 AM Subject: Re: BD501 as a Weed Control was Re: BD501 as Herbicide . Glen, will you please give Roger and I the URL of the research work on your Web Page, or if it is not on it could we please have a copy of it, or is it commercially confidential. Sorry nothing written to provide re 501 as weed control. We did some work with Kikuyu grass on road verges in the early 90s. . Twas reported in the local paper at the time but was not successful due to the contractors lack of application repeats. I have played with other ideas and would be using something other than 501 these days, As described it speeds the plant up thru it growth cycle. There are other preps we have which stop the growth cycle dead in its tracks which would be more effective , once we get around to it. re ownership I agree that as soon as anything is in the public domain it is everyones -ala patent and trademark laws, At best one might get some credit for idea development if you make a loud enough noise, but ownership can only come through labelling/branding and keeping the details of your formula private ala microsoft. This has long been the loophole the BDANZ has used to keep me from publishing in their journal. Unless I reveal my formulas they will not publish anything about the effectiveness of my products. Some ethos about BD being a do it yourself practise. Farmers for farmers , watch out everyone else. They have not funded my work one bit ( actually actively discouraged support for it) so have no right to the formulas which funds it. Instead they prefer to tell their growers to use Phyrethreum for white fly than my BD remedy, which they know works because they did a surprise inspection on one of my client in 1992, when they did not believe his declarations. Strange but true. SO sadly we are back to privacy and secrecy if you wish to maintain ownership. A luxury landowners may be able to do without but alas us landless researchers have no other choice. re 'the silence' WHile there is always some scepticism about self proclaimed success, there is also not much to say often. All we can do is wait and see the outcome as time goes on. James do you have a website with research docs and pics avaialable? re research In the near future we will be posting the results of a trial done recently by Gill Cole of the efficacy of some of our remedies. Graphs and pictures included. (Just tidying up the titles on the graph.) There is no doubt potentised BD Preps work from this document. cheers Glen
Re: BD501 as a Weed Control was Re: BD501 as Herbicide
. Glen, will you please give Roger and I the URL of the research work on your Web Page, or if it is not on it could we please have a copy of it, or is it commercially confidential. Sorry nothing written to provide re 501 as weed control. We did some work with Kikuyu grass on road verges in the early 90s. . Twas reported in the local paper at the time but was not successful due to the contractors lack of application repeats. I have played with other ideas and would be using something other than 501 these days, As described it speeds the plant up thru it growth cycle. There are other preps we have which stop the growth cycle dead in its tracks which would be more effective , once we get around to it. re ownership I agree that as soon as anything is in the public domain it is everyones -ala patent and trademark laws, At best one might get some credit for idea development if you make a loud enough noise, but ownership can only come through labelling/branding and keeping the details of your formula private ala microsoft. This has long been the loophole the BDANZ has used to keep me from publishing in their journal. Unless I reveal my formulas they will not publish anything about the effectiveness of my products. Some ethos about BD being a do it yourself practise. Farmers for farmers , watch out everyone else. They have not funded my work one bit ( actually actively discouraged support for it) so have no right to the formulas which funds it. Instead they prefer to tell their growers to use Phyrethreum for white fly than my BD remedy, which they know works because they did a surprise inspection on one of my client in 1992, when they did not believe his declarations. Strange but true. SO sadly we are back to privacy and secrecy if you wish to maintain ownership. A luxury landowners may be able to do without but alas us landless researchers have no other choice. re 'the silence' WHile there is always some scepticism about self proclaimed success, there is also not much to say often. All we can do is wait and see the outcome as time goes on. James do you have a website with research docs and pics avaialable? re research In the near future we will be posting the results of a trial done recently by Gill Cole of the efficacy of some of our remedies. Graphs and pictures included. (Just tidying up the titles on the graph.) There is no doubt potentised BD Preps work from this document. cheers Glen
Re: BD501 as a Weed Control
Thanks Roger Missed all that first time thru. Most interesting and I will be interested to see how it works on other plants. What is your understanding of how 501 is doing this other than the burn off effect? GA - Original Message - From: Roger Pye [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Wednesday, January 22, 2003 6:40 PM Subject: Re: BD501 as a Weed Control Glen wrote: Roger Please forgive my lack of attention on this. I have looked thru the archive and can not find the post that you outlined what you have done and what you achieved. As a researcher in this field, we have done several trials of 501 as a weed control as early as 1990. I would be most interested in the details of what you are claiming to '' own'. All I am claiming ownership of is a procedure I conceived a year ago and tested last month.The original reference was in my post 'Re: Perfect Orchard - Calcium' of 23 Dec 02 in which I responded to Allan about use of chemical fertilisers. In this I stated in relation to 501: I don't hold with everything that Rachel Carson or Tom Hartmann wrote, or for that matter Rudolph Steiner. But I do know that 3.8 grams of BD501 mixed with 34 litres of fresh water and potentised, and sprayed on one hectare of degraded farmland in the evening when the land is drawing its nutrients and energies back into itself, will unlock and catalyse natural minerals and vitamins. (For the record, in my opinion 3.8 grams IS a minute quantity.) The same mixture, sprayed on african lovegrass in the heat of the day, renders the seed unviable. Instantly. 500, 501 and the other preparations are miracles-in-being whose greatness, despite the passage of time, has in no way been fully realised. Similarly we have hardly explored the energies available to us naturally (and I don't mean fossil fuels). The opportunity to do so - indeed, I feel I should say 'necessity' - is upon us. From now until the bombs start falling, and never mind that the time of year or month is 'incorrect', make preparations for the future. After the last desperate empirical doomed-to-failure grasp of the 'western' nations at world supremacy is over, we will all be too busy chopping wood and carrying water! The details of the lovegrass test are in my post 'Perfect Orchard - Calcium' of 24 Dec 02: Liquid 501 potentised by hedley hedley supplied in 20 to 1 concentration was mixed with african lovegrass pepper (potentised on site by hh in mid oct) hand sprayed from a 15 litre clean backpack unit directly on to one patch of seeding plants. Actual (ie powdered) 501 supplied by BACA a year ago was mixed with AL pepper at proportionate rate (to match 3.8 grams to 34 litres), stirred in recommended manner, sprayed from the same backpack in same manner on a separate patch. Lovegrass was late growing and a healthy green with full seed. Pendulum questioning indicated result would be instant and effects visible within 15 minutes. We did not believe that was possible but it was true. Have 'during' and 'after' photos in digital format but unfortunately not 'before' (was going to take some of another patch, untreated, but got too hot (me, that is.) Time of spray was mid afternoon, temp about 33, place Dalgety TSR. The indications are that 501 mixed in a particular way and sprayed in the heat of the day has an adverse effect on african lovegrass. I am currently retesting and trialling on other plants. As far as other tests of 501 or any other BD preps as weed or plant controllers used as above are concerned, I have searched internet and print references extensively without finding anything on the subject. That being so, I am most interested in hearing the details of your own trials. Cheers Roger
Re: BD501 as a Weed Control was Re: BD501 as Herbicide
Roger
Please forgive my lack of attention on this.
I have looked thru the archive and can not find the post that you outlined
what you have done and what you achieved.
As a researcher in this field, we have done several trials of 501 as a weed
control as early as 1990.
I would be most interested in the details of what you are claiming to ''
own'.
regards
Glen A
- Original Message -
From: Roger Pye [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Wednesday, January 22, 2003 11:57 AM
Subject: BD501 as a Weed Control was Re: BD501 as Herbicide
Sorry Allan but it is NOT a herbicide in any shape or form and although
I've used the term 'Weed Control' above, in reality I think what I have
here is a growth management tool with wide-ranging uses.
First I want to say that 'the little wizard' in this case is myself. I
came up with this procedure over a year ago but the opportunity to test
it did not arise until December last. Though the results have been
spectacular I would not describe the test as particularly scientific. My
reason for putting it on the list was to see what reactions it would
draw and given the argy-bargy that goes on here a lot I was not
surprised when it hardly aroused a flicker of interest.
Insofar as anyone can 'own' a plant growth procedure, I claim ownership
of this one. I say this here and now not so much for commercial reasons
but because the list's archives are out in the public domain. For the
time being, until further tests have been carried out under organised
trial conditions (something I am working on now) and the results are
apparent, I would prefer not to see anything in print. Or tried out
without my knowledge. A reason for this is that should someone on or off
the list try using 501 in this way and get negative or unwanted results,
it could put them and a lot more people off using BD at all. Another is
that the December test result could have been an aberration, something
we can only determine by doing it again and again.
Yes, Liz, I will take the photos to Albury. I will also make them
available on CD to anyone on this list for a reasonable processing
charge plus post packing, along with selected photos of the trial site
taken on a continuous basis since November 2001. These include
vegetation and terrain, vortex flowforms in operation, spraying
operations, and striking images of the phenomenal grass growth happening
now (during intense drought) along the groundwater lines and lakes I
have dowsed over several months. Please contact me off-list about this.
Now to turn to what Liz said:
Why 501? The way Roger explained the affect was that the grass was
burnt
quickly. Did this draw in more light, creating more heat and intensity?
Which would also be reasoning for applying it in the heat of the day?
Would
it work any other time of day? If so would it be as quick as the heat of
the day? Somehow I don't think it would be as intense, but then again I
know nothing...
I'd love to hear the reasoning behind your choice of 501, it can only
help
me to better understand the preps.
Without going far into what I said and didn't say ('burnt' was not in my
message and is now not in my vocabulary at all), what I think happened
is that the mixture used, in combination with energy from the sun,
accelerated the growth of the plants beyond the point of seed viability.
(Which is not the same as killing them; I'll come back to this in a
moment.) The how and why of that and whether it could be done at other
times of day can only be found out through doing more trials.
Why I chose 501? It wasn't exactly choice. Initially it was a third eye
experience then I talked to the devas at Dalgety about it, they put the
query up 'through channels' and the answer came 'down' that it was
feasible and acceptable. This last is important, I feel. Personally I am
not in the business of killing; in this house spiders and cockroaches
and even large ants get put outside, not trodden on. Kill a plant with
herbicide, forget the ads that say there's no residues, when it breaks
down and goes into the soil it takes poison with it which can have
adverse effects for a long time. Destroy a plant by fire and most of its
energy is dissipated to the four winds, only a small proportion becomes
re-usable ash.
Herbicide is a negative. The intent in using it is a negative. The
holistic result after using it is a negative. Zero x zero x zero = zero.
Fire is ambivalent. In controlled situations it is a positive.
Uncontrolled fire is a negative.
501 is a positive. The intent in using it is a positive. The sun is a
positive. The beneficial effects go on and on and on. 2 x 2 x 2 = 8
One month after the event, the plants individually treated with 501
under this procedure appear to have reached their autumnal stage 3-4
months ahead of schedule. That is, the seed-bearing stems are yellowing
to the creamy colour usual just before winter. The seeds have
Re: BD Now! Audio Files
A wav. file of 30 mins is 28mgs or so A CD would be best to send to you. OK G - Original Message - From: Allan Balliett [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Friday, January 17, 2003 4:00 PM Subject: Re: BD Now! Audio Files Twas thinking. If wav. is very common then I could probably put the files on my site and you have a link to that page? from you BD audio page. Saves alot of middle bisso. Glen Sorry, it's not the way the system works, Glen. I have to substantially massage the files so that they can be streamed. -Allan
Re: BD Now! Audio Files
Alan I can appreciate that sound recordings of my presentations at your conference may be difficult to follow without the pictures. I have played around on my computer and can record audio (.wav) so that it replays on Real player and WIndows media player etc. I would be interested in recording a session or two for you if this fits your technology. I could send them over on a CD if the files are too big. What do you think? Glen - Original Message - From: Allan Balliett [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Thursday, January 16, 2003 6:38 AM Subject: BD Now! Audio Files Folks - I haven't noticed a lot of interest in the audio files that are posted at www.ibiblio.org/biodynamics I've agreed to post the rest of the recordings from Sally Fallon's 2002 Weston A. Price conference, so there's another 7 or so files about to go up. Posting files takes a very long time. One one hour presentation can tie my computer up for 3 hours and myself up for almost that long. Don't get my wrong, I'm excited to make streaming sound available to students of biological farming and healthy eating, but I don't want to invest any more time and effort into this project if people are not able to utilize it. Case in point: I made a call for other people's tapes and have received to replies. Let me know, ok? We'll count lurkers in this poll also.
Re: Paracelsus Biodynamics
Thanks for this G - Original Message - From: The Korrows To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Monday, January 13, 2003 8:09 AM Subject: Paracelsus Biodynamics "You should know that every star in the sky is nothing other than an herb grown in the spirit, which some earthly herb or other resemblesAnd the stars might be likened to the casting -mould, from which is the model from which the finished cast is formedThus every star begets through its formative power a kindred herb on the earth...And so every herb is an earthly star, and looks upwards towards the heavens, and every star is a celestial herb...And the celestial herb looks down upon the earth to the herbs which they have begotten. If you only knew the link, you would say: this star is called Stella rosmarini (the Star of Rosemary). This one is called Stella absythii (the Star of Absinth)." -Theophrastus Paracelsus
Re: From Greg Willis: Fwd: Re: Executive Position
nothing the Anthros have done has moved Steiner's agricultural forward into the 21st Century and nothing they have done has advanced Steiner's remedies beyond what they were 79 years ago. Everyone else in the farming world knows this. Why don't they? Greg The BDANZ prides itself on the fact nothing has changed. Thats what they want. To keep it 'pure'. And so be it. Leave them to it. We -everyone else- are taking it to the world in appropriate ways. So lets get on with it and leave the Saturnite to their desired path Trees branch and the limb in the light grows faster and becomes dominant. Such is life Glen
Re: Personal Security vs National Security
Yes I agree Certainly one of my reasons for 'quiter' participation Glen A - Original Message - From: Allan Balliett [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Thursday, January 09, 2003 3:57 PM Subject: Personal Security vs National Security Given that domestic espionage is in the vogue, Given that everywhere I go I run into avid readers of BD Now! who never post to BD Now! because they do not want a permanent GOOGLE searchable record of their spiritual and agricultural insights Given that yours truly was recently refused entrance into a public building because a web search revealed that my 'world view does not coincide with ours.' And given that so very many people read the archives but never contribute to the list. (Last time I logged it, the colo archive was getting 2000+ hits per week) It seems to me that it would be best to move into a more 'member oriented' archive instead of a public archive. The major purpose of this list is to speak openly and to share our experiences in some fairly unusual realms. I think everyone is feeling this shyness. I think this holding back is hurting the list. What say, folks? -Allan Balliett moderator, BD Now!
Dan Winter's view of things
If you would like to have a mind bending experience in the outer limits of quantum physics, give this ago. http://www.earthportals.com/Portal_Messenger/danlove.html Seems to be some legal wrangles over copyrights of esoteric symbols involved in Dans life right now, however amid his astral drama there sure seems to be some conceptual realities he is dealing with which can help conceptualise the Biodynamic reality we are grappling with. There are some CDs about with his plagarised diagrams ( from a Mr Tenen) on them. I would not encourage their dissemination, other than to mention that his 3D graphics are wonderful and worth a look if one passes by your way. Glen A
Re: BD Farming in America
David If you want good leadership in a democratic organisation, or country for that matter, it is the responsibility of the membership or citizens to use their rights to ensure that A) You have good leaders and B) The leaders carry out the masses wishes. If only this was possible. In my experience, Positions of power are sought by people in need of power and in their need they are there to pursue their personal goals. We have one (too) long serving council member who -after being reelected at the last AGM- stated 'anything he does not want to happen in the association will not happen'. Too bad he did not say it before the election. This same member has been formally asked to resign by fellow council members, however due to a strickly controlled NZBDA media none of the general membership have heard anything abpout the debilitating effect he has had for many years. We need a free and open media to have a half decent form of democracy. A leadership which enpowers its membership will be supported by the membership. No membership support means they - as a whole- did not support your policies and actions. Glen A
Re: BD Farming in America
Alright - Guru status! at last do I get a certificate - Original Message - From: D S Chamberlain [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Tuesday, January 07, 2003 11:31 AM Subject: Re: BD Farming in America Glen: Good to know you're still out there listening and your new guru status has not affected your demeanour. In my experience, Positions of power are sought by people in need of power Of course, why else would they take on thankless jobs and become targets for snipers. Hopefully they will use their power for the benefit of all. I always live in hope of such an occurrence. We have one (too) long serving council member who -after being reelected at the last AGM- stated 'anything he does not want to happen in the association will not happen'. Too bad he did not say it before the election. This same member has been formally asked to resign by fellow council members Then the system is working, the fact that his fellow councillors are aware of his shortcomings reduces his power. There's no way to ensure our own version of perfection in all councillors. The other limitations of the system however perpetuates this negativity for years longer than necessary, and wastes far more opportunities than we can really spare. Are we not all on the same team? Should not all interested parties be involved to their abitlities, as a community, instead of being separated as threats to each other? We need a free and open media to have a half decent form of democracy Very, very true. Some years ago I used get the NZBD Association journal I remember they used to publish your somewhat vitriolic letters attacking the then leadership, is that what you mean? I believe that all executive council minutes should be published. My 'vitriolic letters' contained challenging information some would consider liabilous, however I have never been pursued on such charges, as what I outlined was true. The corruption of the system allowed such things to occur and be perpetuated over many years. After some 6 years on the council, trying to deal with it nicely I was very angry, about such things occurring in a organisation selling integrity. Anger is an emotion I believe is at times very appropriate, and I certainly felt OK to express it then. Every action has an opposite and equal reaction. As a Sun Neptune in Libra being, I have been blessed and challenged, with an ability to express 'the reaction' to circumstance and especially abuse. What I confronted in those letters sure appeared to me as abuse of every ethical and moral code you may like to present. Others know this to be true. The sad thing is the dreages of those days still linger on polluting the organisation to this day. As we have seen on this list - a BD free speech zone- we have developed through our rage and separateness and developed into a more mature forum where these things can be bought forward, discussed and acted upon by those who see fit. So a Association newsletter can act as a forum for discussion amoungst far flung members. Editors control as they wish, so best to not have one, if you want truth. The BDANZ is still far from building any sense of 'community' with the resource they have available. It is still a small club /cult imaging the views of the few. The longer they stay as a exclusive cult, the quicker they become irrelevant. Who needs them? A leadership which empowers its membership will be supported by the membership. No membership support means they - as a whole- did not support your policies and actions. Ah if it was only so! My experience is that if the membership is happy with the way things are going, they become complacent and happy to leave all the work to the few, who in their craze for power do all the work. The resultant apathy is not good for the organisation. And so we see another negative manifestation of the craze for power. How about people brimming with enthusiasm who are resourced by the community for the good of the community providing exciting new avenues of exploration and possibilities. Is this not a 3 fold social order ideal? I have been inspired and broadened these last few years through the wealth of imput coming through this ALIVE stream of enthusiastic 'members' on BDNOW who dare to be heretics and live Biodynamics in their lives as it expresses for them , and then share it. Now how can this ethos been bought into the life of the BD associations? Get rid of the deadwood paranoics and swing all available resources into action! We got a PLANET to save. Its nice to have a few moments to comment cheers GA - Original Message - From: Garuda [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Monday, 6 January 2003 7:47 PM Subject: Re: BD Farming in America David If you want good leadership in a democratic organisation, or country for that matter, it is the responsibility of the membership or citizens to use their rights to ensure that A) You
Re: Science article on BD
Dave One has to a 'member'to get access to this article. Any chance of a copy and paste on it/ cheers Glen A - Original Message - From: Dave Robison To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Tuesday, December 24, 2002 7:26 AM Subject: Science article on BD For those interested in objective science reporting seehttp://www.sciencemag.org/cgi/content/full/296/5573/1694?ijkey=Fh/EYrZtSiFKckeytype=refsiteid=sciEuropean researchers examined several ag systems including BD. "Organic" and BD are pretty similar in yield, lower than conventional ag, but with less inputs so that profits are comparable. What is interesting is the pronounced difference between BD and "organic" regarding soil microbiota. Both have better organic structure due to use of compost but BD shows some dramatic differences in the bio-activity level of the soil. The lower yields are a disappointment -- one could wish they had tested for food quality rather than just quantity. I also wonder if the BD practices could have been improved, given that they report Phytophtora blight on the "organic" and BD potatoes contributed to lower yield. In contrast, grain yield was 90% of conventional David Robison
Re: Hugo Erbe
Are German copies of this book available? Glen From: Glen Atkinson [EMAIL PROTECTED] Date: 2002/12/10 Tue PM 03:06:14 GMT+13:00 To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: Hugo Erbe Yes please count me in Glen Mark Moodie wrote: I would be interested to hear if there is interest in an English Translation of 'Working with the Elementals' which details Hugo Erbe's work. A friend and I began a translation and discussions with the holder of the German Copyright and then found that a fine translation was commissioned and completed for the Bio-dynamic Seminar on the UK. The translator has granted his blessing and now we have to submit that to Germany and then knock it up into a publication - so there will be some time delay in having it ready to ship. However it would be good to get some idea of those who would be interested so we can guesstimate a print run. I guess if any of you want to be an outlet outside the UK I would be very happy to chat. Contents Who was Hugo Erbe - Hellmut Finsterlin New Preparations - Hugo Erbe Introductory Remarks - Hugo Erbe The Elementals as Helpers in Farm and Garden - Ernst Hagemann Supplementary Notes to Preceding Chapter Hugo Erbe's Bio-dynamic Preparations A - Preparations supplementing those given by Rudolf Steiner 1 The Calcium Preparation 2 The Loam Preparation 3 The Cholorophyll Preparation 4 The Carbon Preparation 5 The Cows Stomach Preparation 6 Earth Preparation 1 7 Earth preparation 2 B Offerings for the Elemental World 8 The three Kings Preparation 9 The Harmonizing Preparation C Tree Sprays and Preparations for Seeds and seedlings 10 -12 Tree Preparations - 1 - 3 13 14 Seed Bath Preparations 1 2 15 Root dip Preprations for seedlings and transplants D Special Preparations for Special Circumstances 16 17 Warmth Preparations 1 2 18 Frost Protection Preparation 19 Preparation for Protections against Storms and Floods 20 Humus Preparation 21 Protection against Crop damage and from Wild Animals Instructions for making Hugo Erb's B-D Preps Supplementary notes and Special Ingredients Bibliography -- -- Garuda Biodynamics - for BD Preps, Consultations, Books Diagrams See our web site @ http://get.to/garuda
