Re: [BlindHandyMan] ERROR: Tape is not in.
I feel your pain. - Original Message - From: Dale Leavens To: blindhandyman@yahoogroups.com Sent: Saturday, January 05, 2008 11:06 PM Subject: [BlindHandyMan] ERROR: Tape is not in. Sound familiar? My daughter bought me one of those talking tape measures last birthday and now this is all it says. I haven't actually used it a lot. One has to wonder what sort of user testing they put this expensive toy up to. It did it about twice a week ago but now that is all it will say. I have changed the battery but same thing. Dale Leavens, Cochrane Ontario Canada [EMAIL PROTECTED] Skype DaleLeavens Come and meet Aurora, Nakita and Nanook at our polar bear habitat. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
Re: [BlindHandyMan] ERROR: Tape is not in.
Dale, try replacing the battery or just remove it and re-installing. - Original Message - From: Dale Leavens To: blindhandyman@yahoogroups.com Sent: Sunday, January 06, 2008 12:06 AM Subject: [BlindHandyMan] ERROR: Tape is not in. Sound familiar? My daughter bought me one of those talking tape measures last birthday and now this is all it says. I haven't actually used it a lot. One has to wonder what sort of user testing they put this expensive toy up to. It did it about twice a week ago but now that is all it will say. I have changed the battery but same thing. Dale Leavens, Cochrane Ontario Canada [EMAIL PROTECTED] Skype DaleLeavens Come and meet Aurora, Nakita and Nanook at our polar bear habitat. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
Re: [BlindHandyMan] ERROR: Tape is not in.
Yes! Dale Leavens, Cochrane Ontario Canada [EMAIL PROTECTED] Skype DaleLeavens Come and meet Aurora, Nakita and Nanook at our polar bear habitat. - Original Message - From: Otis Blue To: blindhandyman@yahoogroups.com Sent: Sunday, January 06, 2008 8:30 AM Subject: RE: [BlindHandyMan] ERROR: Tape is not in. Hi, I get that some times. Did you pull the tape out and use the button on the front part of the unit to make it go all the way back in? Otis Blue MidWest-Merchandise Milwaukee, WI Ph. 414-461-8885 Fx. 414-461-8856 PBE: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Personal: [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.midwest-merchandise.com Visit my web site where you will find new used consumer electronics at great prices. There will be new items added every day. -Original Message- From: blindhandyman@yahoogroups.com [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Dale Leavens Sent: Saturday, January 05, 2008 11:06 PM To: blindhandyman@yahoogroups.com Subject: [BlindHandyMan] ERROR: Tape is not in. Sound familiar? My daughter bought me one of those talking tape measures last birthday and now this is all it says. I haven't actually used it a lot. One has to wonder what sort of user testing they put this expensive toy up to. It did it about twice a week ago but now that is all it will say. I have changed the battery but same thing. Dale Leavens, Cochrane Ontario Canada [EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:DLeavens%40puc.net Skype DaleLeavens Come and meet Aurora, Nakita and Nanook at our polar bear habitat. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
Re: [BlindHandyMan] ERROR: Tape is not in.
Done that, thanks. Dale Leavens, Cochrane Ontario Canada [EMAIL PROTECTED] Skype DaleLeavens Come and meet Aurora, Nakita and Nanook at our polar bear habitat. - Original Message - From: Lenny McHugh To: blindhandyman@yahoogroups.com Sent: Sunday, January 06, 2008 8:50 AM Subject: Re: [BlindHandyMan] ERROR: Tape is not in. Dale, try replacing the battery or just remove it and re-installing. - Original Message - From: Dale Leavens To: blindhandyman@yahoogroups.com Sent: Sunday, January 06, 2008 12:06 AM Subject: [BlindHandyMan] ERROR: Tape is not in. Sound familiar? My daughter bought me one of those talking tape measures last birthday and now this is all it says. I haven't actually used it a lot. One has to wonder what sort of user testing they put this expensive toy up to. It did it about twice a week ago but now that is all it will say. I have changed the battery but same thing. Dale Leavens, Cochrane Ontario Canada [EMAIL PROTECTED] Skype DaleLeavens Come and meet Aurora, Nakita and Nanook at our polar bear habitat. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
RE: [BlindHandyMan] ERROR: Tape is not in.
Sounds like you've got a bad one. I've had mine (it's a cobalt) for over 5 years and don't have that problem unless, of course, the tape isn't in all the way. smile. cheers, david [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
Re: [BlindHandyMan] ERROR: Tape is not in.
Thanks Paul, Is this a common sign that the unit is dead? Seems to me I hear many stories of this device dying but I don't remember hearing of the circumstances surrounding their death. I suppose that is part of their price. Dale Leavens, Cochrane Ontario Canada [EMAIL PROTECTED] Skype DaleLeavens Come and meet Aurora, Nakita and Nanook at our polar bear habitat. - Original Message - From: Paul Franklin To: blindhandyman@yahoogroups.com Sent: Sunday, January 06, 2008 11:18 AM Subject: Re: [BlindHandyMan] ERROR: Tape is not in. Dale, I had the same problem with a talking tape measure about a year ago. After trying all of the obvious fixes, I contacted the manufacture Cobolt Systems Ltd in England. They said that if I returned the broken unit to them, that they would fix or replace it at no charge. My tape was over 8 years old and had survived a hard life being banged around in my tool box at work. I decided since I was in the middle of a home renovation project and was using the tape every day, that I would be better off just buying a new unit. I have included the contact info for Cobolt Systems Ltd below incase you decide to fix your tape measure. Good Luck: Paul Franklin Cobolt Systems Ltd The Old Mill House, Mill Road, Reedham, Norwich, Norfolk NR13 3TL U.K. Tel: 01493-700172 Fax: 01493-701037 Email: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Web Site: cobolt.co.uk - Original Message - From: Dale Leavens To: blindhandyman@yahoogroups.com Sent: Sunday, January 06, 2008 12:06 AM Subject: [BlindHandyMan] ERROR: Tape is not in. Sound familiar? My daughter bought me one of those talking tape measures last birthday and now this is all it says. I haven't actually used it a lot. One has to wonder what sort of user testing they put this expensive toy up to. It did it about twice a week ago but now that is all it will say. I have changed the battery but same thing. Dale Leavens, Cochrane Ontario Canada [EMAIL PROTECTED] Skype DaleLeavens Come and meet Aurora, Nakita and Nanook at our polar bear habitat. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
Re: [BlindHandyMan] ERROR: Tape is not in.
Dale, I sent mine in and received another one, or they fixed it. Sometimes it reads far out numbers and I have to let it turn off and start over. It's 95 percent workable. Loren - Original Message - From: Dale Leavens To: blindhandyman@yahoogroups.com Sent: Sunday, January 06, 2008 11:03 AM Subject: Re: [BlindHandyMan] ERROR: Tape is not in. Thanks Paul, Is this a common sign that the unit is dead? Seems to me I hear many stories of this device dying but I don't remember hearing of the circumstances surrounding their death. I suppose that is part of their price. Dale Leavens, Cochrane Ontario Canada [EMAIL PROTECTED] Skype DaleLeavens Come and meet Aurora, Nakita and Nanook at our polar bear habitat. - Original Message - From: Paul Franklin To: blindhandyman@yahoogroups.com Sent: Sunday, January 06, 2008 11:18 AM Subject: Re: [BlindHandyMan] ERROR: Tape is not in. Dale, I had the same problem with a talking tape measure about a year ago. After trying all of the obvious fixes, I contacted the manufacture Cobolt Systems Ltd in England. They said that if I returned the broken unit to them, that they would fix or replace it at no charge. My tape was over 8 years old and had survived a hard life being banged around in my tool box at work. I decided since I was in the middle of a home renovation project and was using the tape every day, that I would be better off just buying a new unit. I have included the contact info for Cobolt Systems Ltd below incase you decide to fix your tape measure. Good Luck: Paul Franklin Cobolt Systems Ltd The Old Mill House, Mill Road, Reedham, Norwich, Norfolk NR13 3TL U.K. Tel: 01493-700172 Fax: 01493-701037 Email: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Web Site: cobolt.co.uk - Original Message - From: Dale Leavens To: blindhandyman@yahoogroups.com Sent: Sunday, January 06, 2008 12:06 AM Subject: [BlindHandyMan] ERROR: Tape is not in. Sound familiar? My daughter bought me one of those talking tape measures last birthday and now this is all it says. I haven't actually used it a lot. One has to wonder what sort of user testing they put this expensive toy up to. It did it about twice a week ago but now that is all it will say. I have changed the battery but same thing. Dale Leavens, Cochrane Ontario Canada [EMAIL PROTECTED] Skype DaleLeavens Come and meet Aurora, Nakita and Nanook at our polar bear habitat. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
[BlindHandyMan] drill very small hole
I need to drill a very small hole in part of a Christmas decoration. Karen had this snowman that I accidentally broke off an arm. The way that they were attached was with very small eye hooks. I have some fine wire about the same thickness 22 or 24 gauge. I figured that I could clamp the broken part in my drill press vise and drill a thin hole. then twist the wire to the body and epoxy it into the arm. Sounded like a workable plan until I can not put the bit into my drill press. It has a 5/8 chuck and will not close tight enough to hold the fine bit. I have an old 1/4 drill. I was thinking about removing the chuck and placing the bit in that chuck then chucking up the 1/4 in the drill press. Any other suggestions?. Oh! while writing this I wonder if I put a lot of tape around the bit if it would hold in the drill press? Lenny, Please visit my home page http://www.geocities.com/lenny_mchugh/ It's motivating, humorous and has a lot of resources.
Re: [BlindHandyMan] drill very small hole
Where there's a will, there's a way. You could drill the little bit through a bit of dowel cut off, so that it's mostly drill bit sticking out, then tape up toward the dowel to hold securely enough to get the job done. I bet you'll figure out a way to get it done. I think the folks who built the pyramids used duct tape to get the job done. That and hose clamps. - Original Message - From: Lenny McHugh To: Blind Handyman Sent: Sunday, January 06, 2008 2:16 PM Subject: [BlindHandyMan] drill very small hole I need to drill a very small hole in part of a Christmas decoration. Karen had this snowman that I accidentally broke off an arm. The way that they were attached was with very small eye hooks. I have some fine wire about the same thickness 22 or 24 gauge. I figured that I could clamp the broken part in my drill press vise and drill a thin hole. then twist the wire to the body and epoxy it into the arm. Sounded like a workable plan until I can not put the bit into my drill press. It has a 5/8 chuck and will not close tight enough to hold the fine bit. I have an old 1/4 drill. I was thinking about removing the chuck and placing the bit in that chuck then chucking up the 1/4 in the drill press. Any other suggestions?. Oh! while writing this I wonder if I put a lot of tape around the bit if it would hold in the drill press? Lenny, Please visit my home page http://www.geocities.com/lenny_mchugh/ It's motivating, humorous and has a lot of resources. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
Re:[BlindHandyMan] drill very small hole
Most stores have a small chuck mounted on a one quarter inch shaft for holding tiny bits. ...bob [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
[BlindHandyMan] New Tool Review
Triton T8SH Wetstone Sharpener Review Sharpening woodworking tools to a mirror finish, ultra-sharp cutting edge has always been a challenge for the majority of beginning and even intermediate woodworkers, and it generally is not until you see and use a mirror-finish, ultra sharp blade that you realize the difference between a tool that is simply termed sharp, and one that actually IS sharp. Simply grinding a bevel on a tool using your regular dry bench mounted grinder will not give you a truly sharp edge. Likewise, using even a 400 or 800 grit sharpening stone will give you a cutting edge, but it could be so much sharper with further work. The problem is that, up until now, the arsenal of sharpening tools and devices you needed to get a truly sharp edge has cost a small fortune. Sure, there have been cheaper methods like the scary sharp method which uses sandpaper, some glass to mount it on and a fair bit of time, but for the beginning woodworker who may not be clued up on manual sharpening, even that method could seem daunting. There has been for many years a device that has offered woodworkers an easier way to sharpen tools - the wet grinder. Its ability to sharpen tools with virtually no chance of overheating an edge and drawing the temper (weakening the material making it almost useless) is appealing to many. The one particular wet grinding system that has been considered the top of the class for workshop tool sharpening is the Tormek system. Unfortunately, it is rather expensive and not affordable to many woodworkers, particularly those who undertake woodworking on a hobby basis. In more recent years, the Scheppach line of wet grinders has competed with the Tormeks, and at reduced cost. But now a new line of wet grinder is available from Triton (and a similar one from Scheppach) that brings the setup costs down to just a few hundred dollars (as opposed to more than three times this with the Tormek). These low-priced Chinese-made wet grinders may not be European quality, but can they work just as well? We grabbed a Triton T8SH to see if a Chinese made wet grinder could deliver a truly sharp edge with a mirror finish, and most importantly, could slice wood like there was no tomorrow, and be able to be used by a beginner relatively easily with little learning curve. Let's see if the Triton can put some ticks to those issues. The Triton T8SH Wetstone Sharpener On first inspection of the tool, you can see it somewhat resembles that of a Tormek wet grinder. It has a similar large grinding wheel on one side, a leather honing wheel on the other, and a similar looking tool rest. But let's start by looking at the motor... The T8SH features a 120W induction motor. This sounds like quite a small powered motor, but the tool doesn't really require anything larger. The motor spins the wheel at the relatively slow speed of 120 RPM. When you think about a normal high speed dry grinder spinning at over 3000 RPM, 120 RPM seems turtle paced. But, just like the fairy tale, slow and steady wins the race, and this is the idea behind wet grinders. You won't be winning speed records for sharpening a tool on these units, but in the end, you will probably have a far superior cutting edge than one that has just come off a high speed grinder. Cooling fins on the motor casing will help dissipate heat and ensure the motor will not overheat, but there seems little chance of this as I was able to easily touch the motor after use and it didn't feel hot at all. Slightly warm, but that's about it. The controls are child's play with a simple standard green ON and red OFF button. I hope I don't need to explain what they do! However, note that because the aluminum oxide wheel and leather buffing wheel are mounted on the same shaft, both will spin when power is applied, so ensure both wheels are clear of obstacles and that you are not touching or holding either before you power on the grinder. The grinder casing is pressed metal and rather strong. You wont have any trouble with bending or denting it, unless it happens to fall off your worktable or stand you have it sitting on. But rubber feet on all four corners will ensure it won't slide around, even when in use under load. It will tilt or lift before it slides, and if you are tilting or lifting the tool by applying pressure to the wheel via the bevel grinding edge, you are putting too much force on it to start with. The jig guide bar allows you to use a variety of sharpening jigs and a basic straight-edge grinding jig is included in the kit which will allow you to sharpen straight edge tools like chisels and plane blades etc. At time of writing, no other jigs are available from Triton, however, because the guide bar is exactly the same diameter as both the Tormek and Scheppach machines, you can use any of the jigs made for those brands on the Triton unit. With additional jigs, you will be able to sharpen items like scissors, garden tools, woodturning tools (gouges etc),
[BlindHandyMan] From science fiction to science fact,
From science fiction to science fact, the pairing of man and machine has always been at the forefront of our fears of what the technological future might have in store. But it has also been the basis of many of our conceptions for dealing with the challenges of the future: efficient multi-medial communications, improved ecologically friendly transport and revolutionary medical applications. After all, for every space villain there is a light sabre ready to be used to chop his head off. Today's instances of the association between man and technology are perhaps not as impressive to the jaded cinemagoer, but just as ambitious for the impact they could have on our daily lives. The focus, though, is perhaps not so much on assimilation as it is on integration and usability European researchers have been carrying out wide-ranging testing of new wearable technology with applications in a variety of fields and with the potential of protecting and even saving lives. The vital innovation is that the technology facilitates a new form of human-computer interaction comprising small, easily accessible body-worn computers that are always on and always responsive. If you have a desktop application, then there is always a screen, a keyboard and a computer unit, but if you have a wearable computing solution, then it can be completely different, says Michael Lawo, technical manager of the [EMAIL PROTECTED] project. You can have speech control in one instance, gesture control in another, though the application should always be the same, he says. The Open Wearable Computing Framework being developed essentially comprises a central, easily wearable and hardware-independent computing unit which gives access to an ICT environment. Some of the basic components include wireless communication, positioning systems, speech recognition, interface devices, and low-level software platforms or toolboxes allowing these features to work together. New paradigm The pattern of this EU-funded project is woven as much out of applications as it is technology. It uses a number of commercial, off-the-shelf components and brings them together to create a new tool with the potential to revolutionise the way we work. Wearable computing is a completely new working paradigm, says Lawo. It is a technology which can support you in a particular environment. Instead of working at the computer, you are directly supported by the technology, a bit like when you are driving a car and you get information from the navigation system supporting you in your primary tasks. [EMAIL PROTECTED], the largest civilian wearable computing effort worldwide, is currently being tested in four different fields. These include aircraft maintenance, emergency response, car production and healthcare. Pilot projects in the areas of bush-fire prevention, e-inclusion and cultural heritage have also recently been launched. In most cases, the technology is being applied to people who are not accustomed to using computers at the workplace, such as blue-collar workers. The basic idea was to make the technology available to the workers and directly improve productivity, says Lawo. We address fields where there are no similar applications today. Take the example of an aircraft technician. There is a person doing paperwork who has to find the relevant documentation on a computer. He has to find the aircraft maintenance manual and the parts manual, and produce a printout. These documents are handed over to the technician who then goes to the aircraft to do his work. He then has to write a report on a sheet of paper. And that is the way things work today. What we are doing is giving the worker support and direct access to the ICT system from the workplace. We get rid of the paper. Working with fire With a considerable number of applications potentially possible, perhaps the most challenging test case for the project is the one involving emergency response teams, in collaboration with the Paris Fire Brigade. The technology helps support the communication, collaboration and information processes of rescue forces. The efficiency and safety of firemen can be considerably improved by a number of light, easy-to-use and resistant devices, such as biosensors monitoring their physiological condition and improved localisation of hazards, personnel and retreat paths. The technology has largely been well received by workers. They recognise that this is a new technology where you can monitor working activities, but they do not hesitate to use it, and they see the advantage of it, says Lawo. Difficulties might nonetheless emerge in the future. As soon as you come to the actual introduction of the technology and start negotiating with the unions, privacy will undoubtedly be an issue, says Lawo. [EMAIL PROTECTED] already has some 42 partners, including IT giants Microsoft, Hewlett-Packard and Siemens, but Lawo says the project is always on the lookout for new ventures. Research will continue
Re: [BlindHandyMan] ERROR: Tape is not in.
Dale, unfortunately the error message tape is not in seems to have been the last words spoken by a good many Cobolt Talking Tape Measures in recent years. The problem apparently occurs frequently enough so that you would think that Cobolt would either correct the defect or take the unit off the market. If my tape failed less than a year after its purchase, I would not hesitate to send it back across the pond to be repaired or replaced at Cobolts expense. I found my first Cobolt tape to be accurate and reliable for about 8 years, in spite of a great deal of use and abuse. The only reason that I didn't send it back to be repaired is that I felt that it had far exceeded its life expectancy. Maybe the older models were better. You have to wonder if Cobolt has cut a few corners in the design or production of its newer tapes. Paul Franklin - Original Message - From: Dale Leavens To: blindhandyman@yahoogroups.com Sent: Sunday, January 06, 2008 12:03 PM Subject: Re: [BlindHandyMan] ERROR: Tape is not in. Thanks Paul, Is this a common sign that the unit is dead? Seems to me I hear many stories of this device dying but I don't remember hearing of the circumstances surrounding their death. I suppose that is part of their price. Dale Leavens, Cochrane Ontario Canada [EMAIL PROTECTED] Skype DaleLeavens Come and meet Aurora, Nakita and Nanook at our polar bear habitat. - Original Message - From: Paul Franklin To: blindhandyman@yahoogroups.com Sent: Sunday, January 06, 2008 11:18 AM Subject: Re: [BlindHandyMan] ERROR: Tape is not in. Dale, I had the same problem with a talking tape measure about a year ago. After trying all of the obvious fixes, I contacted the manufacture Cobolt Systems Ltd in England. They said that if I returned the broken unit to them, that they would fix or replace it at no charge. My tape was over 8 years old and had survived a hard life being banged around in my tool box at work. I decided since I was in the middle of a home renovation project and was using the tape every day, that I would be better off just buying a new unit. I have included the contact info for Cobolt Systems Ltd below incase you decide to fix your tape measure. Good Luck: Paul Franklin Cobolt Systems Ltd The Old Mill House, Mill Road, Reedham, Norwich, Norfolk NR13 3TL U.K. Tel: 01493-700172 Fax: 01493-701037 Email: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Web Site: cobolt.co.uk - Original Message - From: Dale Leavens To: blindhandyman@yahoogroups.com Sent: Sunday, January 06, 2008 12:06 AM Subject: [BlindHandyMan] ERROR: Tape is not in. Sound familiar? My daughter bought me one of those talking tape measures last birthday and now this is all it says. I haven't actually used it a lot. One has to wonder what sort of user testing they put this expensive toy up to. It did it about twice a week ago but now that is all it will say. I have changed the battery but same thing. Dale Leavens, Cochrane Ontario Canada [EMAIL PROTECTED] Skype DaleLeavens Come and meet Aurora, Nakita and Nanook at our polar bear habitat. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
RE: [BlindHandyMan] drill very small hole
Tape would help with the grip but I would be afraid that the bit wouldn't feed straight. Without jumping through a bunch of hoops to find some of the reduced shank drills probably your 1/4 chuck would be the best shot. -Original Message- From: blindhandyman@yahoogroups.com [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Lenny McHugh Sent: Sunday, January 06, 2008 1:17 PM To: Blind Handyman Subject: [BlindHandyMan] drill very small hole I need to drill a very small hole in part of a Christmas decoration. Karen had this snowman that I accidentally broke off an arm. The way that they were attached was with very small eye hooks. I have some fine wire about the same thickness 22 or 24 gauge. I figured that I could clamp the broken part in my drill press vise and drill a thin hole. then twist the wire to the body and epoxy it into the arm. Sounded like a workable plan until I can not put the bit into my drill press. It has a 5/8 chuck and will not close tight enough to hold the fine bit. I have an old 1/4 drill. I was thinking about removing the chuck and placing the bit in that chuck then chucking up the 1/4 in the drill press. Any other suggestions?. Oh! while writing this I wonder if I put a lot of tape around the bit if it would hold in the drill press? Lenny, Please visit my home page http://www.geocities.com/lenny_mchugh/ It's motivating, humorous and has a lot of resources. To listen to the show archives go to link http://acbradio.org/handyman.html or ftp://ftp.acbradio.org/acbradio-archives/handyman/ The Pod Cast address for the Blind Handy Man Show is. http://www.acbradio.org/news/xml/podcast.php?pgm=saturday Visit The Blind Handy Man Files Page To Review Contributions From Various List Members At The Following address: http://www.jaws-users.com/JAWS/handyman/ Visit the archives page at the following address http://www.mail-archive.com/blindhandyman@yahoogroups.com/ If you would like to join the JAWS Users List, then visit the following address for more information: http://www.jaws-users.com/ For a complete list of email commands pertaining to the Blind Handy Man list just send a blank message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Yahoo! Groups Links -- BEGIN-ANTISPAM-VOTING-LINKS -- Teach InfoWest Spam Trap if this mail (ID 149140961) is spam: Spam: https://spamtrap.infowest.com/canit/b.php?i=149140961m=92b4d899e0a1c=s Not spam: https://spamtrap.infowest.com/canit/b.php?i=149140961m=92b4d899e0a1c=n Forget vote: https://spamtrap.infowest.com/canit/b.php?i=149140961m=92b4d899e0a1c=f -- END-ANTISPAM-VOTING-LINKS
Re: [BlindHandyMan] water saver johns
Thank you. The reasons given are why I don't want to make a mistake when I next buy a toilet. It wil l be soon as a wash cloth stopped up the one that then cracked when I investigated the continuing clog. So sounds like 2 gall is safe. I will remember to look for 16-17 inch and around 2g. But what then is the difference between valvedless and valved? Again, thanks On Sun, 6 Jan 2008, chiliblindman wrote: Hello Spiro. I have found there are a lot of people not very happy with water saver johns. The main complaint is they have to be flushed twice a lot of times. Water savers started at around 3.5 gallons with the lowest one around 1.28 gallon. I am sure there are some made with less than the 1.28 gallons. Some are valveless and others have valves like mine. I would think that it would be a little misleading since during the flush water is running into the tank and bowl from the valve. My new one probably uses 2 gal. at least per flush. That is fine and dandy for the average person that gets plenty of fiber. I weight in at 165 tops and the largest in my family. Now if I was constipated and needed help to go a water saver would require more than one flush. Very large people will require a larger water volume to flush. Quite the subject here to discuss. Any way I got the large comfort john and got the 1.6 gal tank. It is easy to get on and off since it is high and large. I could have gotten a larger tank for it that holds more water. That info will not come from a lowes type store at all. If I was doing this for kids since it was my children's bath, if young I would have gotten the 13 1/2 inch high john with a small tank. Since my son is now over six feet tall he said it was nice not to sit with his knees to his chin. So john and tank size should be according to size of the user. Those wall mounts are very nice unless you are big. If I was 300 lbs and shifted my butt to the side, the wall would move and after awhile it will leak and or break. That is the reason I asked at lowes and the plumbing outlets that I wanted a water saver that always works right. The only thing the guy at lowes kept saying was the distance from the wall was standard around 12 inches for the bolts. I couldn't pull anymore info from him. One thing I can say about my 7.5 gal one in the basement, it will flush anything smaller than an elephant. I am not sure about the water usage of the up-chuck. I have not seen any for sale for years and that was special orders only. ...bob [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
