Lith ab-Lesh
Lith ab-Lesh ab-Erbl ab-Kosh ab-Rosh ab-Tothtoon The Lesh were fortunate enough to follow the Clan Tothtoon ideal of uplifting three clients. The Lith were to be the last and greatest Lesh uplift project. Even with the arrival of the Heebi as foster clients, Lith remain the Lesh heir-apparent. Like all their clients, except the Heebi, the Lesh purchased the uplift rights to the proto-Lith on the Galactic market. On their homeworld, the amphibious proto-Lith lived in and around a major river system that snaked its way through tropical savannahs. Humans say a Lith resembles a largish Cassowary with a seal's rear flippers stuck to its posterior. Lith are covered in a small, dense coat of feathers although none of their ancestors were flyers. The proto-Lith body form left the Lesh with few good options for fine manipulators. A significant short-coming in the Lith is that their only fine manipulators are a prehensile tongue and cilia around their beak. Proto-Lith were largely vegetarian foragers, supplementing their diet with the occasional snail or amphibian. Proto-Lith were fast and maneuverable in water, talents that have made the Lith above average pilots. Proto-Lith were also very competent on land though their legs ended in unremarkable paws. In terms of sensory preference the Lith are oriented toward their electro-magnetic sense. Its main organ is housed in a large casque on the Lith head. In water, the Lith electro-magnetic sensoria exceed the resolution of any South American electrical fish and within a few meters rivals a dolphin's sonar. In air, a Lith effectively has short range radar with good resolution to about 50 meters. Lith have poor eye-sight and hearing. In addition, the Lith casque forces their eyes to the very front of the skull so they have almost no peripheral vision. The casque doubles as a horn. Nesting Lith still have an instinct to use their casque to defend their nest territory, which in practice usually means a house or apartment. Proto-Lith lived in family groups, bearing young live, usually twins. Family groups consisted of a breeding pair with adolescents, children, and infants. Vocal and limited pheromone communication were the basis of proto-Lith social interaction. Proto-Lith were highly territorial, signaling their presence with great howls and vigorously defending nest sites. They bore relatively few young and their pups enjoyed long, playful childhoods. As of this writing Lith are Level Two Clients still in their minority. Lith still live in family groups. Since they need to control their population, families are now stem families. They consist of three or four generations instead of parents and their many children. Lith parents with infants still have strong nesting instincts. Nesting Lith become territorial, paranoid, and aggressive toward outsiders. Just to make things interesting, Lith find their nesting housemates highly charisma. The strength of a Lith's nesting instincts vary inversely with the age of its youngest child. When its youngest reaches puberty Lith nesting territoriality disappears. Needless to say Lith with young children tend to be house bound. Lith are bright, playful and mecurical, prone to intuitive leaps. The are less gregarious and affable than the Lesh and lack the Lesh enthusiasm for alien company. Nevertheless, they have the makings of competent Galactic travelers and do reasonably well with outsiders. Though they lack the Lesh skill at schmoozing they are just as acquisitive. When their uplift is complete the Lith should be more than a match for their patrons in the art of the deal. It is not uncommon to see Lith working for Lesh trading interests. Even so, Lith are not yet allowed to trade outside the clan on their own in independent missions. Lith traders and financiers are influential within Clan Lesh and in Lesh Clan politics. The Lesh are clearly playing favorites. This has resulted in evident resentment on the part of the dreary, loyal and quite successful Zhuup. Psycho-historians fully expect a significant, but not terribly destructive, sibling rivalry to develop between the Lith and the Zhuup. ___ http://www.mccmedia.com/mailman/listinfo/brin-l
Re: Doing Business With The Enemy
Folks, Gautam: Teddy was probably drunk off his ass, or too busy drowning innocent young women to think about what he was saying - something like that. Reggie: Personal attacks make for good arguements since when? Maybe you've been working such long hours that you've forgotten that one of the principles of this list is to attack the argument, not the person who made it. Tell us why Ted Kennedy's arguements are wrong without resorting to bringing up an incident that happened ... how many decades ago? Ronn!: Mary Jo Kopeckne is still dead after all those decades. Dave: Which doesn't make Gautam's ad hominem attach justifiable or Reggie's rejoinder any less on point. I thought that Reggie was pointing out that the Senator probably wasn't busy drowning innocent young women, as that event had taken place decades before the Iraq comment. On the other hand, if Senator Kennedy *had* come up with his statement on the Texas oil-interest origins of the Iraq war when he was, as Gautam so delicately put it, busy drowning innocent women, then he has some prodigious prophetic powers. Sincerely, Dave Dave Land[EMAIL PROTECTED] 408-551-0427 ___ http://www.mccmedia.com/mailman/listinfo/brin-l
Names, was Re: No teeth in this tiger
Kevin Tarr wrote: snipped some As I said, I'm not a work person. I love my job, but don't like workplace interactions. One boss, the one who criticizes everything I do, was visibly upset that I didn't know who another person was, their name. I've talked to him three times, if that. He doesn't wear a name tag saying I'm Al!. In fact, a person I speak with said knowing names is given too much weight in society. A chair or flower should be known for a group of objects, but no one gets upset if you don't know what a ladderback or iris is. But interact with a hundred or more people, you have to know every name? Kevin T. - VRWC Suppose I would have learned that skill in a frat ;-) I have a similar problem. I found that the use of a note pad and pen are a good remedy if a bit of a cheat. For me it is just so difficult to remember names that I even on occasion manage to misplace the names of people I have worked with for years on end. They are not truely forgotten just not available to my tongue when I need them. It is so embarressing. Once written down I know I can look up the name and for me that makes it easier and less stressfull when I've misplaced a name, because I know that I remember the exact spot I've written it down in. Now isn't that weird? Sonja :o) GCU: Peoples person as long as I don't need names. ___ http://www.mccmedia.com/mailman/listinfo/brin-l
Re: vatican head astronomer - lecture
Dan Minette wrote: snip He and Steve Weinberg had a forum on cosmology and God in Houston about 6 months ago. -- How did he ever get God to go to Houston? George A ___ http://www.mccmedia.com/mailman/listinfo/brin-l
Re: vatican head astronomer - lecture
In a message dated 2/2/2004 4:46:57 AM US Mountain Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: How did he ever get God to go to Houston? George A Well, every Texan knows the Devil lives in Dallas. William Taylor -- 63 books listed so far for $713.15 retail Alibris 5 books listed so far for $92.50 retail Amazon 8PM to 5AM with a few periods of sleep. ___ http://www.mccmedia.com/mailman/listinfo/brin-l
Re: Virus and Spam
Reggie Bautista wrote: rob wrote: I'm getting hit with copies of Novarg. Anyone else? I'm also getting spam from names similar to those on Brin-L and Culture. Could someone be harvesting our mailing lists membership lists without detection? The Fool replied: I've had a grand total of 0 spam, for the past year. That would be no. Look at rob's question again. Are you actually not getting any spam, or are you simply never seeing it because you have elaborate and complex filters in place? It is most certainly possible that someone has found an automated way to harvest our list membership, especially from archive mirrors like Yahoo. Where there's a will, there's a way. To think otherwise is naive and, well, Fool-ish. Reggie To me it also looks like it's not been harvested. I know I don't post much but I've not been getting strange things lately on this adress. The other adress I use when I suspect a higher than average spam risk is however now degrading exponentially. Sonja :o) GCU: Not yet spammed ___ http://www.mccmedia.com/mailman/listinfo/brin-l
Re: Lith ab-Lesh
Trent Shipley wrote: Just to make things interesting, Lith find their nesting housemates highly charisma. Should that be charismatic? Julia ___ http://www.mccmedia.com/mailman/listinfo/brin-l
RE: Names, was Re: No teeth in this tiger
From: Sonja van Baardwijk [EMAIL PROTECTED] Kevin Tarr wrote: As I said, I'm not a work person. I love my job, but don't like workplace interactions. One boss, the one who criticizes everything I do, was visibly upset that I didn't know who another person was, their name. I've talked to him three times, if that. He doesn't wear a name tag saying I'm Al!. In fact, a person I speak with said knowing names is given too much weight in society. A chair or flower should be known for a group of objects, but no one gets upset if you don't know what a ladderback or iris is. But interact with a hundred or more people, you have to know every name? I have a similar problem. I found that the use of a note pad and pen are a good remedy if a bit of a cheat. For me it is just so difficult to remember names that I even on occasion manage to misplace the names of people I have worked with for years on end. They are not truely forgotten just not available to my tongue when I need them. It is so embarressing. Once written down I know I can look up the name and for me that makes it easier and less stressfull when I've misplaced a name, because I know that I remember the exact spot I've written it down in. Now isn't that weird? I'm terrible with names as well, particularly when I first meet people, or with casual acquaintences (ie: co-workers I almost never interact with, or even obscure extended relatives I rarely see). My wife is the exact opposite. She always remembers people's names and she knows the names of everyone in my extended family far better than I do. _ High-speed usersbe more efficient online with the new MSN Premium Internet Software. http://join.msn.com/?pgmarket=en-uspage=byoa/premST=1 ___ http://www.mccmedia.com/mailman/listinfo/brin-l
Re: Lith ab-Lesh
On Monday 2004-02-02 07:42, Julia Thompson wrote: Trent Shipley wrote: Just to make things interesting, Lith find their nesting housemates highly charisma. Should that be charismatic? yep. ___ http://www.mccmedia.com/mailman/listinfo/brin-l
Re: Lith ab-Lesh
In a message dated 2/2/2004 11:26:52 AM US Mountain Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: On Monday 2004-02-02 07:42, Julia Thompson wrote: Trent Shipley wrote: Just to make things interesting, Lith find their nesting housemates highly charisma. Should that be charismatic? yep. All this over a simple tic. And just how much charisma does The Tick have? William Taylor Loved him in The Dish as well. ___ http://www.mccmedia.com/mailman/listinfo/brin-l
gud ol Repgnatcan suthrn edukasion
http://www.ajc.com/opinion/content/opinion/0104/25history.html Dumbing down our past doesn't serve our future The state has unveiled sweeping changes it wants to make in the K-12 curriculum. A high school history teacher says the plan will gut the subject he has taught for 25 years. But the state superintendent says the new curriculum will make Georgia's schools the best. By JOSEPH JARRELL The Georgia Department of Education recently unveiled a draft of the new high school history curriculum. Officials tout it as world class. It's not. They describe it as rigorous and strengthened. It's neither. With much fanfare, spokesmen say it will raise expectations. It won't. While presented as part of the state's vision of leading the nation in improving student achievement, the new curriculum will actually result in nothing more than dumbing down world history and U.S history courses. Remember the childhood story of the king who wanted all to see his fine new attire? In the old fable, the emperor was actually naked. Such is the case here. The grand parade of sound bites and press releases notwithstanding, the emperor has no clothes. Of course, in the new curriculum, history will have fewer emperors. The current high school world history course surveys civilization from the earliest times to the present. The new curriculum calls for teaching only the period from 1500 to the 21st century. Students will no longer study such figures as Socrates, Plato, Aristotle, Alexander the Great, Julius Caesar, Cleopatra, William the Conqueror or Joan of Arc. The Iliad and The Odyssey will not be mentioned. The development of democratic government in Greece and the fall of the Roman Empire will be skipped. Jesus, Muhammad, the Buddha and Confucius are not to be found in the new curriculum. Great civilizations like ancient Egypt will no longer merit study, and the concept of feudalism will not be discussed. The present 11th-grade U.S. history course covers the Exploration period to today. In the proposed changes, teachers will spend two or three weeks discussing the foundation of our country, with the remaining time devoted to studying events from 1876 to the present. Gone is any mention of the Louisiana Purchase or Lewis and Clark. There will be no discussion of Indian removal and the Trail of Tears. Students probably will not be remembering the Alamo; it won't be a topic of discussion in Georgia's high schools. Daniel Webster and Henry Clay will be omitted, as well as Harriet Tubman, Frederick Douglass and the Underground Railroad. Search in vain for discussion of the Civil War; that topic is off limits. In a course entitled American History, students will not study our most devastating war. There is no mention of Fort Sumter, Abraham Lincoln, Robert E. Lee or anything else associated with those years. Though teachers supposedly have no time to discuss topics essential to understanding our heritage, the curriculum suggests they have their students write a 1920s radio drama. Teachers are also encouraged to assign essays about dating in the Jazz Age and to show segments from All in the Family, Good Times and Chico and the Man. I have yet to talk to any teacher who likes the new curriculum, though I am sure there are some who favor the idea of teaching less. The misguided rationale behind the hastily prepared revision is that we teach too much history in high school. The solution? Eliminate 40 percent of the current coursework. Education officials note that much of the material removed from the high school courses will be taught in grades four through seven. They ignore the fact that elementary and middle school students lack the maturity necessary to grasp the importance of many of the events, people and concepts. Short cuts unwelcome Certainly it is a constant challenge to complete the present curriculum. I often feel as though I am running a marathon; however, like any runner, I feel a sense of pride when my students and I complete the race. I know that those who have passed the course have learned an enormous amount. Would it be easier to teach less? Of course. Would the new curriculum reduce my workload? Doubtlessly. But like so many other history teachers, I know that while claiming to seek the road to excellence, educrats are really leading us down the path of least resistance. There is also a sinister element to the changes. States are facing new federal mandates to improve test scores. Interestingly, states can devise many of the tests used to measure this improvement. While mandating that we teach less, Georgia will prepare assessments that test less. Interesting formula: teach less, test less, brag more. Imagine a similar approach with math. Teach half the multiplication tables and test only the half that is taught. Surely scores would rise and the headlines would scream that math scores improved! But students suffer when perception becomes more important than learning. Wisdom in short supply The
Re: Lith ab-Lesh
On Feb 2, 2004, at 12:13 AM, Trent Shipley wrote: Proto-Lith were largely vegetarian foragers, supplementing their diet with the occasional snail or amphibian. When did snails and amphibians make the journey to the Lith homeworld? :-) Probably should say snail-like creatures or somesuch. What is the proper scientific way to say that an creature looks similar to a Terran animal? Analogous (sp)? ___ http://www.mccmedia.com/mailman/listinfo/brin-l
Re: Lith ab-Lesh
In a message dated 2/2/2004 1:00:23 PM US Mountain Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: What is the proper scientific way to say that an creature looks similar to a Terran animal? Analogous (sp)? Saem Superfluous Analogous Evolutionary Match. ..but that's just off the top of my imagination. Vilyehm Teighlore ___ http://www.mccmedia.com/mailman/listinfo/brin-l
Re: gud ol Repgnatcan suthrn edukasion
And the Republucans have what to do with this??? History education in the US has ALWAYS taken a back seat to other topics, especially in the post-Vietnam period (we had to catch up with the Soviets). Freshmen entering college now have less knowledge about history than did freshmen 30 or 40 years ago. This is not exactly a new problem. Damon. = Damon Agretto [EMAIL PROTECTED] Qui desiderat pacem, praeparet bellum. http://www.geocities.com/garrand.geo/index.html Now Building: __ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! SiteBuilder - Free web site building tool. Try it! http://webhosting.yahoo.com/ps/sb/ ___ http://www.mccmedia.com/mailman/listinfo/brin-l
Re: Lith ab-Lesh
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: In a message dated 2/2/2004 11:26:52 AM US Mountain Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: On Monday 2004-02-02 07:42, Julia Thompson wrote: Trent Shipley wrote: Just to make things interesting, Lith find their nesting housemates highly charisma. Should that be charismatic? yep. All this over a simple tic. And just how much charisma does The Tick have? More than Arthur, anyway Julia ___ http://www.mccmedia.com/mailman/listinfo/brin-l
bad day/customer service
For reasons I've stated before I had to open a bank account with a bank that's not in my area. I was calling them today, not to complain, but to find their nearest ATM that accept's deposits because it took three days to get a cash deposit cleared two weeks ago. (Also the location for the closest withdraw only ATM is mapped in the middle of a highway interchange.) I get this wonderful news: The bank has dropped out of the ATM network for deposits. You can withdraw from any ATM anywhere in the world, but can only make deposits at their ATMs. Then I started complaining. The decision was just made last Wed. No letters have been sent stating this. No reasons, she knew nothing; just what was on her screen. The four nearest branches to me, 25+ miles, do not have ATMs. I just don't understand why a bank would take a step backwards like this. Even better, the money program I use just stopped after I spent a few hours inputting info. I'm going to let it sit overnight, hopefully it will become unstuck. Or I hope it has automatic saves but not holding breath on that one. Kevin T. - VRWC Day off gone bad ___ http://www.mccmedia.com/mailman/listinfo/brin-l
Re: gud ol Repgnatcan suthrn edukasion
From: Damon Agretto [EMAIL PROTECTED] And the Republucans have what to do with this??? Because Republicans control Georgia? Because the Republicans, who have adopted the confederate movement whole, are the ones who are the most likely to eliminate Teach things like the Civil War. Can you even imagine a democrat eliminating teaching the Civil War? I can't. History education in the US has ALWAYS taken a back seat to other topics, especially in the post-Vietnam period (we had to catch up with the Soviets). Freshmen entering college now have less knowledge about history than did freshmen 30 or 40 years ago. This is not exactly a new problem. But the scale of this initiative is just astounding. Coupled with NCLB and the never ending assaults on public education by republicans, like Putting people who Want to end completely public education in charge of the education department, and people who have committed a massive school-performance fraud in Texas as head of the education department, and backing school vouchers to move a large percent of the money for public education into a small % of people's hands, and on and on and on. The Republicans HATE public education and they do everything they can to undermine it. ___ http://www.mccmedia.com/mailman/listinfo/brin-l
Re: Names, was Re: No teeth in this tiger
Bryon Daly wrote: I'm terrible with names as well, particularly when I first meet people, or with casual acquaintences (ie: co-workers I almost never interact with, or even obscure extended relatives I rarely see). My wife is the exact opposite. She always remembers people's names and she knows the names of everyone in my extended family far better than I do. I know all of Dan's cousin's kids, at least on his mom's side. He doesn't. (There are 21 or 22 great-grandchildren of his grandmother's now, I'm not sure if Lisa's boy has been born yet or not. I only have problems with a couple of brothers, and once I've seen them both together, I'm fine for the rest of the visit.) But I've worked harder at it than he has. Plus I've had more practice -- when I was little, there was a Thanksgiving that had as many relatives there as the Thanksgivings we've been to lately, and at that one when I was little, I *wanted* to know who everybody was and how they were related, and I was at the generation analogous to the generation Dan's cousin's kids (and our own) are at. Julia not *that* great at names unless I try really hard, and worse at faces ___ http://www.mccmedia.com/mailman/listinfo/brin-l
RE: My Dad
And all of you, male and female alike, should make sure you know the symptoms of heart disease and heart attacks and then take those symptoms seriously if you get them. I believe that one of the symptoms of a real heart attack is the denial by the victim of the heart attack that they are having a heart attack. How's that for being paranoid... Hope your dad is feeling better. I am really amazed at how much Cardiology has benefited from technology, especially in the field of endoscopic surgery, as well as angioplasty with stents. Nerd From Hell Reggie Bautista ___ http://www.mccmedia.com/mailman/listinfo/brin-l ___ http://www.mccmedia.com/mailman/listinfo/brin-l
RE: bad day/customer service
I just don't understand why a bank would take a step backwards like this. I've seen this before... The bank is positioning itself to be bought out. They are cutting expenses to increase their cash situation. This is where you get out, since they have little use for customers that require extra support. Nerd From Hell Even better, the money program I use just stopped after I spent a few hours inputting info. I'm going to let it sit overnight, hopefully it will become unstuck. Or I hope it has automatic saves but not holding breath on that one. Kevin T. - VRWC Day off gone bad ___ http://www.mccmedia.com/mailman/listinfo/brin-l ___ http://www.mccmedia.com/mailman/listinfo/brin-l
Re: gud ol Repgnatcan suthrn edukasion
Two things, This is put forward by the Dept of Education. This does not neccessarily mean that their state legislature actually voted on this. As I had learned from a PA state rep that's my uncle's friend and former colleague, often what the various departments in the state government put out as regulations are not neccessarily something that they vote on. So blaming them for this may not neccessarily be correct. Fool, find the original bill and then make a commentary as to whether the Republicans are at fault before declaring them of wrongdoing. Secondly, it appears that the Senate is Republican lead, but the House of Representatives is Democratic lead. I couldn't find what party the governor belongs to. This is hardly a Republican controlled state (I counted 77 Republicans in the House). Fool, base your information on factual, verifiable information before making statements of wrongdoing. Damon. = Damon Agretto [EMAIL PROTECTED] Qui desiderat pacem, praeparet bellum. http://www.geocities.com/garrand.geo/index.html Now Building: __ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! SiteBuilder - Free web site building tool. Try it! http://webhosting.yahoo.com/ps/sb/ ___ http://www.mccmedia.com/mailman/listinfo/brin-l
Re: gud ol Repgnatcan suthrn edukasion
From: Damon Agretto [EMAIL PROTECTED] Secondly, it appears that the Senate is Republican lead, but the House of Representatives is Democratic lead. I couldn't find what party the governor belongs to. Republican. ___ http://www.mccmedia.com/mailman/listinfo/brin-l
RE: bad day/customer service
From: Kevin Tarr [EMAIL PROTECTED] For reasons I've stated before I had to open a bank account with a bank that's not in my area. I was calling them today, not to complain, but to find their nearest ATM that accept's deposits because it took three days to get a cash deposit cleared two weeks ago. (Also the location for the closest withdraw only ATM is mapped in the middle of a highway interchange.) I get this wonderful news: The bank has dropped out of the ATM network for deposits. You can withdraw from any ATM anywhere in the world, but can only make deposits at their ATMs. Then I started complaining. The decision was just made last Wed. No letters have been sent stating this. No reasons, she knew nothing; just what was on her screen. The four nearest branches to me, 25+ miles, do not have ATMs. I just don't understand why a bank would take a step backwards like this. The bank probably has to pay more to the ATM network to be able to accept deposits. When I briefly moved to New Hampshire a number of years back, I was surprised to discover that for my credit union, I could only make deposits at Massachusetts-based ATM's, even though the same brand ATM's existed throughout NH. What I ended up doing (and still do actually, even though I'm back in MA now) is getting mail-in deposit envelopes from the bank, and now I just mail in any non-cash deposits I make. (For cash deposits, I don't quite trust ATM's, anyway, so I go to the bank for them). Even better, the money program I use just stopped after I spent a few hours inputting info. I'm going to let it sit overnight, hopefully it will become unstuck. Or I hope it has automatic saves but not holding breath on that one. Think that's bad? ... I used to keep all my financial info in Quicken - *everything* - credit card purchases, daily expenses, stocks and investments, savings, etc. I regularly backed up the data to a floppy disk (this was pre- CD-R days), until the file got too big to fit, at which point I started mirroring it onto another disk partition. (I was planning to eventually get a tape backup drive, so I didn't try to set up some sort of floppy-spanning file backup system.) Then my hard disk died suddenly without warning. The whole disk was just dead and everything on all partitions was lost. At least 4-6 months worth of data, maybe more, gone. I never had the heart to go back and set everything up again. _ Let the new MSN Premium Internet Software make the most of your high-speed experience. http://join.msn.com/?pgmarket=en-uspage=byoa/premST=1 ___ http://www.mccmedia.com/mailman/listinfo/brin-l
Re: Doing Business With The Enemy
In a message dated 2/1/04 10:46:35 PM, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: God knows what really happened. Exactly. YOU DON'T know. You weren't there. I wasn't there. Stop talking like you were. Tom Beck www.mercerjewishsingles.org I always knew I'd see the first man on the Moon. I never dreamed I'd see the last. - Dr Jerry Pournelle ___ http://www.mccmedia.com/mailman/listinfo/brin-l
Re: No Child's Behind Left
That's Michael Jackson's motto . . . One Line Sufficient Maru -- Ronn! :) ___ http://www.mccmedia.com/mailman/listinfo/brin-l
Re: gud ol Repgnatcan suthrn edukasion
At 01:57 PM 2/2/04, The Fool wrote: http://www.ajc.com/opinion/content/opinion/0104/25history.html It ain't just history, but biology: http://www.ajc.com/metro/content/metro/0104/29curriculum.html From The Atlanta Journal-Constitution: 1/29/04 Georgia may shun 'evolution' in schools Revised curriculum plan outrages science teachers By MARY MacDONALD The Atlanta Journal-Constitution Georgia students could graduate from high school without learning much about evolution, and may never even hear the word uttered in class. New middle and high school science standards proposed by state Schools Superintendent Kathy Cox strike references to evolution and replace them with the term biological changes over time, a revision critics say will further weaken learning in a critical subject. Outraged teachers already have told the state it is undercutting the science education of young Georgians. Just like any major issue people need to deal with, you need to know the facts, said David Bechler, head of the biology department at Valdosta State University. A member of the committee that worked on the biology standards, Bechler said he was stunned to learn that evolution was not in the final proposal. Whether you believe in creationism or not, evolution should be known and understood by the public, he argued. Cox declined requests for an interview on the issue. A spokesman issued a statement Wednesday that said: The discussion of evolution is an age-old debate and it is clear that there are those in Georgia who are passionate on both sides of the issue -- we want to hear from all of them. Cox, a Republican elected to the state's top public school position in 2002, addressed the issue briefly in a public debate during the campaign. The candidates were asked about a school dispute in Cobb County over evolution and Bible-based teachings on creation. Cox responded: It was a good thing for parents and the community to stand up and say we want our children exposed to this [creationism] idea as well. . . . I'd leave the state out of it and I would make sure teachers were well prepared to deal with competing theories. Gateway course Biology is a gateway course to future studies of the life sciences. And scientists consider evolution the basis for biology, a scientific explanation for the gradual process that has resulted in the diversity of living things. If the state does not require teachers to cover evolution thoroughly, only the most politically secure teachers will attempt to do so, said Wes McCoy, a 26-year biology teacher at North Cobb High School. Less experienced teachers will take their cue from the state requirements, he said. They're either going to tread very lightly or they're going to ignore it, McCoy said. Students will be learning some of the components of evolution. They're going to be missing how that integrates with the rest of biology. They may not understand how evolution explains the antibiotic resistance in bacteria. The state curriculum does not preclude an individual public school system from taking a deeper approach to evolution, or any other topic. And the proposed change would not require school systems to buy new textbooks that omit the word. But Georgia's curriculum exam, the CRCT, will be rewritten to align with the new curriculum. And the state exam is the basis for federal evaluation, which encourages schools and teachers to focus on teaching the material that will be tested. A year in the works The revision of Georgia's curriculum began more than a year ago as an attempt to strengthen the performance of students by requiring greater depth on essential topics. The new curriculum will replace standards adopted in 1984 that have been criticized by many educators as shallow. The state Board of Education is expected to vote on the revised curriculum in May. The Georgia Department of Education based its biology curriculum on national standards put forth by a respected source, the American Association for the Advancement of Science. But while the state copied most of the national standards, it deleted much of the section that covers the origin of living things. A committee of science teachers, college professors and curriculum experts was involved in reviewing the proposal. The state did not specify why the references to evolution were removed, and by whom, even to educators involved in the process. Terrie Kielborn, a middle school science teacher in Paulding County who was on the committee, recalled that Stephen Pruitt, the state's curriculum specialist for science, told the panel not to include the word evolution. We were pretty much told not to put it in there, Kielborn said. The rationale was community reaction, she said. When you say the word evolution, people automatically, whatever age they are, think of the man-monkey thing, Kielborn said. Pruitt could not be reached Wednesday for comment. Cox released the state's
MyDoom, Despair, and Agony on . . .
From PC World http://www.pcworld.com/resource/printable/article/0,aid,114570,00.asp[] Mydoom Takes Down SCO Site Distributed denial of service attack is one of the largest on record, experts say. Paul Roberts, IDG News Service Monday, February 02, 2004 Computers infected with the Mydoom worm launched a massive attack against the Web site of Unix software maker The SCO Group, cutting off access to the company's Web site. The so-called distributed denial-of-service (or DDoS) attack began early Sunday as Mydoom-infected computers worldwide followed instructions to send messages to www.sco.com, overloading the company's Web servers. It is one of the largest DDoS attacks on record, antivirus experts say. In a statement, SCO confirms the attack, saying that requests sent to www.sco.com from Mydoom-infected computers were responsible for making its Web site completely unavailable Sunday. The company is working on contingency plans to deal with the DDoS problem, but would not have more information before Monday morning, SCO says. SCO's Web site was already slowed last week by traffic from Mydoom machines with incorrect clocks. However, the site became totally unreachable shortly after 5:00 PM Pacific Time Saturday, when infected machines in Asia began registering the new day, says Craig Schmugar, antivirus researcher at Network Associates' McAfee antivirus division. Traffic Jam The attack is caused by thousands of infected machines sending get requests to SCO's Web servers simultaneously. That is akin to what happens when individual users point their Web browser to www.sco.com. The large numbers of machines requesting the site simultaneously produces the attack, overwhelming SCO's Web infrastructure, Schmugar says. The attack is one of the largest DDoS attacks linked to a virus infection, but is not affecting traffic on the rest of the Internet, he says. Estimates of the number of machines infected by Mydoom vary widely. F-Secure of Helsinki says that as many as one million machines may have the virus. NAI puts the number at around 500,000 systems. However, for a variety of reasons, only a fraction of the machines infected by the virus are taking part in the attack, Schmugar says. Machines that have been turned off for the weekend cannot attack. And, due to a coding error in the virus, only around one in four machines that are running and infected will launch an attack, he says. NAI estimates that between 25,000 and 50,000 machines were involved in the attack on www.sco.com Sunday, Schmugar says. Contingency Plans Speaking on Friday, SCO spokesperson Blake Stowell said that the company had contingency plans that would sidestep the coming DDoS attacks, but did not want to give the Mydoom author advance notice of what those plans were. He denied that SCO was considering moving its site to a managed network such as the one owned by Akamai Technologies. Any efforts to block the attack would be managed internally at SCO, he said. Among the options SCO was considering was moving its Web site to a new Internet address that is not targeted by Mydoom, Stowell said. As of Friday, SCO was speaking with customers about its plans and giving them ways to stay in contact with SCO during the attack. SCO would release more information about steps it was taking to deal with the Mydoom attack on Sunday or Monday, Stowell said. The Mydoom virus is programmed to continue its attack on www.sco.com until February 12, 2004, F-Secure says. The SCO Web site may be reachable before then, as the owners of infected computers remove the virus from their machines. However the site will probably continue to be slowed until Mydoom turns itself off, Schmugar says. ___ http://www.mccmedia.com/mailman/listinfo/brin-l
Re: gud ol Repgnatcan suthrn edukasion
Regardless, I stand by my assertation. To imply blame when you fail to provide causality, just because the state government is dominated by a particular party you despise, is unethical. The burden of proof is on you. Damon. = Damon Agretto [EMAIL PROTECTED] Qui desiderat pacem, praeparet bellum. http://www.geocities.com/garrand.geo/index.html Now Building: __ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! SiteBuilder - Free web site building tool. Try it! http://webhosting.yahoo.com/ps/sb/ ___ http://www.mccmedia.com/mailman/listinfo/brin-l
Conseptual lines - Re: Brin: LotR and Conservatives
--- In [EMAIL PROTECTED], Gautam Mukunda [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- Jan Coffey [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: One can believe (as I do NOT) that a centralized autocratic government, possibly headed by a dictatorial leader, with economic and social regimentation is a good idea, without beleiving that anyone of a differnt race should die or be subjugated. On can have been a patriotic German in 1938 and not desire the death of a single Jew. Beides you can achieve the same faciest goveremnt while claiming to be for free markets, small government, national security, and family values. No raceism required. In theory I suppose you could. Can you find a _case_ of one? In any case, Fascism is a real thing with real historical cases. To compare the United States today to fascism trivializes the real breath and awfulness of it. Our appropriately named Fool may not know the difference - but _you should_. In the last three years 500 Americans have died smashing two fascist totalitarian dictatorships. In the 1940s tens of thousands died smashing three other fascist governments. Those governments were fascist. Calling the Americans that - whatever your particular problems with the Bush Administration - is Orwellian. While I have become quite concerned about the use of Homeland Security, and the like I am to some degree in agreement with your point on calling the american governemnt faciest. Still Implying that if it were, the next thing it would do is begin a program of genocide is equaly rediculous. It is perfectly reasonable for _The_Fool_ to sugest that our government is begining to look more and more like the faciest model, without also suggesting that such atrocities will occure. You are accusing him of comparing something he was not comparing. IMO. sorry for the huried response but I have little time . ___ http://www.mccmedia.com/mailman/listinfo/brin-l
RE: International Organizational Constitution?
As a beginning, for a new international institution, I suggest A three chamber organization: * One chamber based on population, like the US House of Representatives, On 31 Jan 2004, Bryon Daly asked Are you proposing that each nation would send x number of representatives, or have a single rep, who holds x number of votes? Send x number of representatives, the way European states send multiple representatives to the European parliament. If the size of the `House' is 320 representatives, each single representative district will represent a population of 20 million people (of whom a smaller portion will be adults who are potential voters). I'm concerned that this would give an extremely populous nation like China (1/4 of the world's pop?) excessive influence ... You are right, this is what the less populated worry about. Some possible ways to mitigate this: - Assign votes based on population on a log-type curve, so they don't become so out of proportion. I don't think this, or any other scaling factor, is possible, for two reasons: * People on the planet as a whole now favor the `one person, one vote' ideal that democrats have pushed for over a century. This is a very strong meme. * The populous countries will stymie any attempt to reduce the influence of their population. A critical issue is how representatives are elected: * Must potential candidates be passed by a board of guardians, as in Iran? Or many any one qualified to vote run? * Is an election run like that in many continental European states, in which a voter choses a list? Or does the candidate who gains a plurality of votes win as in many US elections? (I myself think that half the representatives should be elected via a plurality of votes and half be elected as the top four among a larger group, in an election that melds together four of the single representative districts. The reason is that `at large' representatives often represent minorities better.) Regarding the `historical' or `US Senate' like proposal, I pointed out that (Some contemporary countries are very small. Consequently, the disproportion in power between large ones and small nation-states is even greater than it was in the 1780s between large and small US states. ... Bryon Daly asked Do you mean the countries would have to share a single vote or representative? Yes. (Or share two representatives.) Fifty countries have populations larger than 20 million. The other hundred odd countries recognized by the UN have smaller populations. Big countries, whether or not rich, are not going accept that Austria, population 8 million, and Bulgaria, also population 8 million, have the same vote as China, population 1250 million. According to this proposal, Austria, Denmark, Finland, and Norway should combine. (Actually, the populations of Sweden, Finland, Norway, and Denmark add up to 23.8 million and may make a better grouping.) [Population figures from The Economist `Pocket World in Figures', 2002 edition] I agree that the US wouldn't join an organization it lacks a veto in. I'm not sure how it could ever be confident the organization would not ever undertake actions damaging to the US, given my concerns above about nations acting in self-interest. The reason to join is because the benefits are seen to outweigh the damages. The original 13 states of the US joined together to produce a Federal system even though they could see dangers to them of joining. Getting back to your original point about bribery and appearances, I'm not sure if a new organization or any of these proposed changes would make any difference as far as that goes. ... no matter how bribery-proof the UN's (or a future replacement's) reps are, it doesn't matter a bit, if Saddam (or some future bad-guy) was/is able to directly buy influence in, for example, the French and Russian governments. Bribery becomes more expensive and more difficult to keep secret as the number of delegates in a chamber increases. Yes, it is possible. But the idea is to transform bribes to a few into political contributions to many. In practial terms, that is what progress in government means. When political contributions go to many, then the issues become public, more or less. For example, in the US in the 1930s, Roosevelt was supported, among others, by international bankers who did not mind that he favored unions, since their costs were not much influenced by unionized wage rates. On the other hand, Roosevelt's opponents were supported by textile manufacturers, whose costs were heavily influenced by wage rates. The political debate over unions was not secret among bankers, textile manufacturers, and a few bribable politicians, but was a debate between parties, over how to organize
and we thought we had too much snow...
Some interesting pictures of Newfoundland and their snow... or more accurately, some pictures of very deep snow.. http://www.edu.gov.nf.ca/snow/photo.htm ___ http://www.mccmedia.com/mailman/listinfo/brin-l
Re: gud ol Repgnatcan suthrn edukasion
From: Damon Agretto [EMAIL PROTECTED] Regardless, I stand by my assertation. To imply blame when you fail to provide causality, just because the state government is dominated by a particular party you despise, is unethical. The burden of proof is on you. As Ronn already posted another article--Which I read several days ago--that explains in more detail about changes made to Georgia's science Curriculum by the Elected Republican Official: http://www.ajc.com/metro/content/metro/0104/29curriculum.html Cox, a Republican elected to the state's top public school position in 2002, addressed the issue briefly in a public debate during the campaign. ___ http://www.mccmedia.com/mailman/listinfo/brin-l
Re: Doing Business With The Enemy
--- [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: In a message dated 2/1/04 10:46:35 PM, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: God knows what really happened. Exactly. YOU DON'T know. You weren't there. I wasn't there. Stop talking like you were. Tom Beck Tom, I know what the _most favorable interpretation of the facts_ is. That's what I supplied. The facts according to Kennedy's defenders. Incidentally, Tom, when do you ever follow that rule? Or does it only apply to liberals? Speaking about Republicans when you have no knowledge, that's not exactly a problem for you, is it? There must be a pony in here somewhere... = Gautam Mukunda [EMAIL PROTECTED] Freedom is not free http://www.mukunda.blogspot.com __ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! SiteBuilder - Free web site building tool. Try it! http://webhosting.yahoo.com/ps/sb/ ___ http://www.mccmedia.com/mailman/listinfo/brin-l
Re: and we thought we had too much snow...
At 06:35 PM 2/2/04, Gary Nunn wrote: Some interesting pictures of Newfoundland and their snow... or more accurately, some pictures of very deep snow.. http://www.edu.gov.nf.ca/snow/photo.htm These images were taken just recently as they try and open the highway that has been closed all winter. So why do they think the snow is over for the winter? Comments About Global Warming Snipped Maru -- Ronn! :) ___ http://www.mccmedia.com/mailman/listinfo/brin-l
Re: gud ol Repgnatcan suthrn edukasion
As Ronn already posted another article--Which I read several days ago--that explains in more detail about changes made to Georgia's science Curriculum by the Elected Republican Official: If that's the case, Fool, why didn't you post this with your original post? Why didn't you post this when you first read it? Or did you actually read it then, or is this just a happy opportunity for you? All you do is regurgitate articles you find on the net; try PROVING your assertations, if you feel so strongly about them, instead of acting like an unwanted Democratic propoganda machine that can only run a smear campaign against Republicans. Damon. = Damon Agretto [EMAIL PROTECTED] Qui desiderat pacem, praeparet bellum. http://www.geocities.com/garrand.geo/index.html Now Building: __ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! SiteBuilder - Free web site building tool. Try it! http://webhosting.yahoo.com/ps/sb/ ___ http://www.mccmedia.com/mailman/listinfo/brin-l
Re: Janet Jacksons Right Breast Provokes Outrage
[oops, sorry for earlier non-content posting if you see it -- accidently hit Send before I was ready] On Feb 1, 2004, at 8:00 PM, Robert Seeberger wrote: Top CBS executives approved a musical skit where Janet Jackson would expose her breast during the MTV-produced Super Bowl half-time concert, the DRUDGE REPORT has learned. Of course, CBS, Janet, Timberlake and MTV are all saying it was a mistake. I suppose Janet wears nipple covers all the time, just in case? ___ http://www.mccmedia.com/mailman/listinfo/brin-l
Re: Janet Jackson
Alberto Monteiro wrote: Jim Sharkey wrote: If my kids were watching I'd have been more upset Maru How weird. My kids watch breasts and nipples all the time and they don't give a damn Mine are, I think, a fair sight younger than yours though. Jim ___ Join Excite! - http://www.excite.com The most personalized portal on the Web! ___ http://www.mccmedia.com/mailman/listinfo/brin-l
Re: gud ol Repgnatcan suthrn edukasion
From: Damon Agretto [EMAIL PROTECTED] As Ronn already posted another article--Which I read several days ago--that explains in more detail about changes made to Georgia's science Curriculum by the Elected Republican Official: If that's the case, Fool, why didn't you post this with your original post? Why didn't you post this when you first read it? Or did you actually read it then, or is this just a happy opportunity for you? Because I don't treat every fact or news items as if it exists in a vacuume? Because I don't post every single one of the dozen of News articles or editorials I come across? All you do is regurgitate articles you find on the net; try PROVING your assertations, if you feel so strongly about them, instead of acting like an unwanted Democratic propoganda machine that can only run a smear campaign against Republicans. As opposed to the propaganda / newspeak that comes off the tips of JDG's fingers every time he writes? Every time I write a long article I get 0 responces. ___ http://www.mccmedia.com/mailman/listinfo/brin-l
Celestial Real Estate Sales Soar
http://www.space.com/scienceastronomy/mystery_monday_040202.html More than 2.5 million people from 180 countries have bought property on the Moon and Mars in sales that reached $1 million last year. The scheme is bogus, legal scholars argue, but business is booming and futurists have been forced to ponder the fate of celestial property rights. Meanwhile, the Head Cheese of the whole shebang asserted last week that his Galactic Government flag will be planted on the Moon by the end of this year. The pronouncements are bold. The revenue is real. And a lunar land grab -- however dubious it may be -- is well underway. Most of the buyers are individuals who are convinced that $19.99 plus shipping and handling will secure them a building site on another world. Some 1,300 corporations, many hoping for otherworldly tax status, are also said to be among the clients. Sales of Martian real estate have recently begun and other worlds are also available. Analysts who say the sales are not on solid legal footing also think it all foretells court battles that loom in the cosmic frontier, especially now that U.S. President George W. Bush says we human beings are headed into the cosmos. It's also the sort of thing that could lead to the first cosmic warfare. Big money The out-of-this-world commerce is conducted mostly over the Internet and orchestrated chiefly by one company, Lunar Embassy (lunarembassy.com), whose founder insists he owns the Moon and all the planets in the solar system except Earth. The claim is considered absurd by several legal analysts, who say a 1967 international treaty forbids ownership of property beyond Earth. You should not expect to have paid for any valid legal title to a plot in outer space, just for a nice piece of paper to stick on your wall, says Frans von der Dunk, a space law expert at Leiden University in The Netherlands. Lunar Embassy's founder, Dennis Hope, asserts he's on firm legal ground -- regardless of the world in question. He spent $70,000 last year in legal fees to defend his company and chase off competition that he calls copycats. According to other news reports, competing web sites have been forced to shut down based on copyright violations, not directly because of property ownership claims. We're not trying to fool anybody about anything, Hope said. The properties we sell are as legitimate as any property you buy anywhere on this planet. At least two competitors disagree. Lunar Registry (lunarregistry.com) does not claim to own the Moon. And it says it is aware that some companies are lying to consumers about their legal rights to sell property on the Moon. Yet Lunar Registry has a program through which you, your family, or your business enterprise can legally claim ownership of property on the Moon. Proceeds will be pooled in order to create the investment capital required to occupy and develop the Moon. Another outfit, called Buyuranus.com, takes a potty-humor approach to selling parcels of the outer planet with the arguably unfortunate name. The enterprise is serious, however, about accepting your credit card. Plant the flag In a telephone interview last week, Hope, the self-proclaimed Head Cheese of the Lunar Embassy, revealed his latest plan to attempt to secure extraterrestrial ownership. The flags of his Lunar Embassy and his nascent Galactic Government will be planted on the Moon by the end of 2004, he said. We believe it will change the history of this world, Hope said. Sometime this year, the Lunar Embassy will be on the Moon. Our representative will then turn to a video camera and read a prepared statement validating our claim of ownership. There are no known manned missions currently planned to reach the Moon this year or anytime soon. Other space experts expressed serious doubt any such mission would occur. So I asked Hope what spacecraft his company would employ. I'm not at liberty to discuss the technical aspects of the craft at this point, he said. Seeds of cosmic commerce The idea for selling lunar property came to Dennis Hope in 1980. He recalled the 1967 United Nations Outer Space Treaty, which stipulates that no government can own extraterrestrial property. But as Hope says, it neglected to mention individuals or corporations. He used that loophole, as he calls it, to snap up to the Moon and the eight other planets and their natural satellites in 1980. Hope filed papers with a U.S. governmental office for claim registries in San Francisco. He then informed the General Assembly of the United Nations and the governments of Russian and the United States. None responded, and Hope takes that as proof his claim is valid. He followed up with a U.S. copyright registration. Hope also cites the U.S. Homestead Act of 1862, which through 1986 allowed an individual to claim property by occupying and improving it. Yet in some countries, Hope contends, not even occupation is necessary to homestead some land. With the chaotic aspect of
Oxygen at Extrasolar Planet, a First
http://www.space.com/scienceastronomy/extrasolar_blowout_040202.html Astronomers have detected the first presence of oxygen and carbon in the atmosphere of an extrasolar planet, a world already known to be venting massive amounts of gas into space. The find is evidence of an atmospheric blow off in action, where energetic hydrogen gas drags heavier elements along for a supersonic ride into space. If you imagine a wind so efficient that it takes everything with it, sand particles for instance, you get the idea, said the study's leader Alfred Vidal-Madjar, of the Institut d'Astrophysique de Paris. The planet is really losing a lot of material even more efficiently than we thought before. Despite the oxygen, the faraway planet is not one that would support life. Dismembering The Jupiter-like planet is officially called HD 209458b, though Vidal-Madjar's team has nicknamed it Osiris after an Egyptian god who was dismembered by his brother Seth. It orbits a Sun-like star 150 light-years from Earth. Astronomers already knew the planet was rapidly losing its atmosphere after a previous study led by Vidal-Madjar found it spewing out enough hydrogen gas to create an envelope that extended and trailed the extrasolar world. The planet was thought to be losing at least 10,000 tons of material each second, but researchers weren't sure the process was powerful enough to dredge up heavier elements. Carbon and oxygen atoms are 10 times heavier than those of hydrogen, and therefore would normally lie low in a planet's atmosphere, explained Gilda Ballester, a University of Arizona astronomer who took part in the study. So a force stronger than gravity is driving them up along with the hydrogen gas into the extended envelope around this planet, she said. The cause The venting process has been attributed to a pair of reasons, namely the intense gravitational forces between the planet and its parent star, as well as the super-hot temperature of the planet's atmosphere. HD 209458b circles its stellar parent every 3.5 days from a distance of just 4.4 million miles (7 million kilometers), which is closer than Mercury's orbit around the Sun. The tight orbit causes intense gravitational tiding that stretches the planet's atmosphere into an oval shape, not unlike a rugby ball, which can allow gas to escape. The upper atmosphere itself is baked up to 18,000 degrees Fahrenheit (10,000 degrees Celsius), which forces hydrogen atoms to expand outward at supersonic speeds. The hydrogen wind erupts away from the planet like a geyser and is powerful enough to sweep up carbon and oxygen with it. The planet may eventually shed its entire atmosphere, leaving behind only a solid core remnant of its once massive self. The unique nature of this process has led Vidal-Madjar's team to propose the existence of a new class of extrasolar planets, one which may be populated by the remains of worlds that have shed their atmospheric skins and orbit even closer to their suns than HD 209458b. The process is similar to one that may have eventually produced the atmospheres around more local planets, such as Venus and Earth, astronomers said. The composition of Earth's atmosphere today is so peculiar, that there must exist an efficient process that blew out much of the original material, Vidal-Madjar told SPACE.com. Now we are directly observing it in Osiris. More to learn The next step, Vidal-Madjar says, is to search for even heavier elements, such as iron, in the envelope around HD 209458b, which would go further in confirming the blow out process. Vidal-Madjar's team used the Hubble Space Telescope to observe HD 209458b between October and November in 2003. Since the planet partially eclipses its parent star - HD 209458 - during each orbit, researchers can to probe its atmospheric makeup during the transit. The new research will appear in an upcoming issue of the Astrophysical Journal Letters. HD 209458b orbits a star in the constellation Pegasus, which can be seen with binoculars from the ground. The planet was first detected in 1999 using the wobble method of planet hunting. A separate team of astronomers previously detected sodium in the planet's atmosphere as well. xponent Last Gasp Maru rob ___ http://www.mccmedia.com/mailman/listinfo/brin-l
Re: Janet Jacksons Right Breast Provokes Outrage
- Original Message - From: Jim Burton [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Killer Bs Discussion [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Monday, February 02, 2004 4:56 PM Subject: Re: Janet Jacksons Right Breast Provokes Outrage [oops, sorry for earlier non-content posting if you see it -- accidently hit Send before I was ready] On Feb 1, 2004, at 8:00 PM, Robert Seeberger wrote: Top CBS executives approved a musical skit where Janet Jackson would expose her breast during the MTV-produced Super Bowl half-time concert, the DRUDGE REPORT has learned. Of course, CBS, Janet, Timberlake and MTV are all saying it was a mistake. I suppose Janet wears nipple covers all the time, just in case? Nipple covers? Is that something like a hubcap? G Actually its a nipple ring, a type of piercing, and people wear them under their clothes all the time without anyone noticing. I think you would be surprised at the popularity of nipple piercing these days. xponent Just A Bit Too Chicken Myself Maru rob ___ http://www.mccmedia.com/mailman/listinfo/brin-l
Re: Janet Jackson
- Original Message - From: Jim Sharkey [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Monday, February 02, 2004 7:27 PM Subject: Re: Janet Jackson Alberto Monteiro wrote: Jim Sharkey wrote: If my kids were watching I'd have been more upset Maru How weird. My kids watch breasts and nipples all the time and they don't give a damn Mine are, I think, a fair sight younger than yours though. I don't worry about nudity very much at all. In fact I think its kinda good for kids to be at least a little aware that naked people exist outside their home. I'm more concerned about sex and sex related acts being seen by children. Kids are much more likely to be confused by sexual activity that they are nudity. xponent Nudity Is A Simple Thing Maru rob ___ http://www.mccmedia.com/mailman/listinfo/brin-l
RE: and we thought we had too much snow...
Gary Nunn wrote: Some interesting pictures of Newfoundland and their snow... or more accurately, some pictures of very deep snow.. I have an Internet acquaintance who lives in the north Michigan peninsula. He tells me they get ~300 inches of lake effect snow a year, and that rather than snowplows, they have enormous snowblowers trucks that stack the snow like that, and that the streets are like canyons of snow. It must an interesting sight. Jim Never had more than 36 inches on the ground here Maru ___ Join Excite! - http://www.excite.com The most personalized portal on the Web! ___ http://www.mccmedia.com/mailman/listinfo/brin-l
Ricin found in Senate office
Breaking news. More as it comes in. xponent Flash Maru rob ___ http://www.mccmedia.com/mailman/listinfo/brin-l
Re: and we thought we had too much snow...
Looks like business is booming at the snow quarry...if the new Doctor Who has an episode set on an ice planet, they can film it there. Tom Beck www.mercerjewishsingles.org I always knew I'd see the first man on the Moon. I never dreamed I'd see the last. - Dr Jerry Pournelle ___ http://www.mccmedia.com/mailman/listinfo/brin-l
Re: and we thought we had too much snow...
- Original Message - From: Jim Sharkey [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Monday, February 02, 2004 8:15 PM Subject: RE: and we thought we had too much snow... Gary Nunn wrote: Some interesting pictures of Newfoundland and their snow... or more accurately, some pictures of very deep snow.. I have an Internet acquaintance who lives in the north Michigan peninsula. He tells me they get ~300 inches of lake effect snow a year, and that rather than snowplows, they have enormous snowblowers trucks that stack the snow like that, and that the streets are like canyons of snow. It must an interesting sight. Jim Never had more than 36 inches on the ground here Maru I've been there to visit my sister. The largest winter snowfall they have had was about 10 meters. Dan M. ___ http://www.mccmedia.com/mailman/listinfo/brin-l
Re: Doing Business With The Enemy
Incidentally, Tom, when do you ever follow that rule? Or does it only apply to liberals? Speaking about Republicans when you have no knowledge, that's not exactly a problem for you, is it? Not sure I can recall the last time I accused anyone of any political stripe of murder. Tom Beck www.mercerjewishsingles.org I always knew I'd see the first man on the Moon. I never dreamed I'd see the last. - Dr Jerry Pournelle ___ http://www.mccmedia.com/mailman/listinfo/brin-l
Uplift Patronymics
a modification of http://www.geocities.com/allianceforprogress/encyclopedia/galpolitics/patronym.html This is needed for a planned writeup on the Heebi. == Rules of Patronymics a- used in patronymics to indicate (any sub-set of) a race in formal address. ta - used in patronymics to indicate (any sub-set of) a race in informal address. In formal address a is used. ab- used in patronymics to indicate Patrons. Listed in reverse historical order; that is, starting with the species' immediate Patron, then the Patron's Patron, and so on. The list extends back to the most senior race still having an O-2 existence. Used to establish identity and status. absu- prefix for an extinct or Retired Patron survived by Patron species senior to it. ul- used in patronymics to indicate Clients. Listed in historical order of development. A long list of sucessful clients is also a symbol of status. ulsu- for an extinct or Retired Client. Example: Fagin, a-Kanten, ab-Linten ab-Siqul ul-Nish. wol: indicates a secondary patron line. Use of 'wol' is usually the result of some sort of uplift fosterage. Patron lines mentioned later in the full patronymic have lower prestige. Unlike 'ab' and 'ul' 'wol' is strongly prestige oriented and only weakly historical. A race lists its patron lines in the order it wants them mentioned. If patron lines tie for prestige a race usually lists its most recent sponsor first. Some races prefer to drop patron lines in diplomatic discourse. In these cases there is no linguistic indicant; one must simply know the preferred protocol. Note also that in practice all patrons tend to mention the client in their patronymics. Examples: Heebi ab-Lesh ab-Erbl ab-Kosh ab-Rosh ab-Tothtoon wol: ab-J'8lek ab-Khilp ab-Brawch Bahtwin ab-Gello ab-Soro ab-Hul ab-Puber wol: ab-Soro ab-Hul ab-Puber The case of the Bahtwin is particularly unusual. They were effectively fostered to their grand-patrons. The Soro do not list the Bahtwin as clients, the Bahtwin list the Gello first and strongly discourage use their full patronymic. This is because fosterage is considered an embarrassment. ___ http://www.mccmedia.com/mailman/listinfo/brin-l
Re: Lith ab-Lesh
Jim Burton wrote: Probably should say snail-like creatures or somesuch. What is the proper scientific way to say that an creature looks similar to a Terran animal? Analogous (sp)? Convergent-evolutionaryly similar. Why not create AFT? A ces-snail or ces-amphibians? Alberto Monteiro ___ http://www.mccmedia.com/mailman/listinfo/brin-l
Re: gud ol Repgnatcan suthrn edukasion
Because I don't treat every fact or news items as if it exists in a vacuume? Because I don't post every single one of the dozen of News articles or editorials I come across? Certainly doesn't look like it; seems like every time you find something to further support your agenda it immediately goes on the list. It is a rare thing when you post an article that is NOT denigrating the Republicans or Christians. As opposed to the propaganda / newspeak that comes off the tips of JDG's fingers every time he writes? Every time I write a long article I get 0 responces. Not true because I have responded. And why are you mentioning JDG anyway? What does he have to do with you substantiating your claims or arguments? Do you define yourself solely by your opposition to what he represents? Damon. = Damon Agretto [EMAIL PROTECTED] Qui desiderat pacem, praeparet bellum. http://www.geocities.com/garrand.geo/index.html Now Building: __ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! SiteBuilder - Free web site building tool. Try it! http://webhosting.yahoo.com/ps/sb/ ___ http://www.mccmedia.com/mailman/listinfo/brin-l
Re: Janet Jackson
Jim Sharkey wrote: If my kids were watching I'd have been more upset Maru How weird. My kids watch breasts and nipples all the time and they don't give a damn Mine are, I think, a fair sight younger than yours though. One more reason for them to ignore. Or maybe what would upset them would be seeing a source of food? Are they _that_ young? :- Alberto Monteiro ___ http://www.mccmedia.com/mailman/listinfo/brin-l
Re: Uplift Patronymics
Trent Shipley wrote: a modification of http://www.geocities.com/allianceforprogress/encyclopedia/galpolitics/ patronym.html This is needed for a planned writeup on the Heebi. I would like to make a suggestion, in order to justify some numerical absurdities in _CA_ [namely: that the older the patron, the longer it took to raise the client, with an almost _linear_ proportion between those two numbers]. The suggestion is that the -absu extinct or retired Patron can [and must] be dropped unless this is the Patron or the Grandpatron. BTW, I think we need some nomenclature. _The_ Patron is the race that Uplifted that species. _A_ Patron is any race in the Chain of Uplift. _The_ Grandpatron, a grandpatron, the grand-grandpatron, etc are obvious. Alberto Monteiro ___ http://www.mccmedia.com/mailman/listinfo/brin-l
Early tests show deadly ricin in Senate mailroom
http://cnn.usnews.printthis.clickability.com/pt/cpt?action=cpttitle=CNN.com+-+Early+tests+show+deadly+ricin+in+Senate+mailroom+-+Feb.+2%2C+2004expire=-1urlID=9146661fb=Yurl=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.cnn.com%2F2004%2FUS%2F02%2F02%2Fsenate.hazardous%2Findex.htmlpartnerID=2004 http://tinyurl.com/2gzyv Army lab investigating white, powdery substance WASHINGTON (CNN) --Preliminary tests on a white, powdery substance found in the mailroom of Senate Majority Leader Bill Frist indicate the presence of the deadly substance ricin, a Homeland Security official said Monday. A U.S. Capitol police spokeswoman said the department is investigating the matter but would not comment on the substance found, saying only that preliminary tests were positive for a hazardous substance. The substance is to be tested further at the Army research laboratory at Fort Detrick, Maryland. The Homeland Security official, who spoke on condition of anonymity, said those results could be back as soon as Tuesday. Authorities said people should stay clear of the south side of the fourth floor of the Dirksen Senate Office Building. Ricin is a natural, highly toxic compound that comes from castor beans, used to make castor oil. It can be inhaled, ingested or injected. There is no antidote for ricin poisoning, according to the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention. A dose the size of the head of a pin could kill an adult. In October, traces of ricin were discovered inside a small metal container in an envelope at a postal handling facility in Greenville, South Carolina. With the poison was an angry, unsigned note. (Full story) Several U.S. agencies are offering a reward of up to $100,000 for information leading to the arrest and conviction of those responsible. The ricin scare raises the specter of the deadly anthrax mailings in 2001. Five people died and 13 others were sickened in four states and the District of Columbia when anthrax-laced letters were sent to two U.S. senators and a number of media outlets. Two of the dead were postal workers who were infected while processing mail. No one has been arrested in connection with the anthrax case. xponent Uh Oh Maru rob ___ http://www.mccmedia.com/mailman/listinfo/brin-l
Re: Doing Business With The Enemy
In a message dated 2/1/2004 10:46:35 PM Eastern Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: So I'll say it's not relevant to what sort of a person he is when Mary Jo asks me to, and not before. That seems fair. It's more of a chance than he gave her. It just isn't very germaine to the arguement at hand. A personal attack is bad not because it is false or true but because it seeks to confuse the arguement with the person making the arguement. ___ http://www.mccmedia.com/mailman/listinfo/brin-l
Janet Jackson: 1, George Bush: 0
President falls asleep, misses the whole thing: http://tinyurl.com/2szso Dave Land[EMAIL PROTECTED] 408-551-0427 ___ http://www.mccmedia.com/mailman/listinfo/brin-l
