Re: My Cambodian foster daughter

[Khoar Chev]

Bang, I swore that I would never send him a penney...
 
KC
Khoar Chev ( Made in Cambodia )

--- On Mon, 5/18/09, TSC  wrote:


From: TSC 
Subject: Re: My Cambodian foster daughter
To: "Cambodia Discussion (CAMDISC) - www.cambodia.org" 

Date: Monday, May 18, 2009, 7:35 PM



Hi KC,

Thanks for sharing. It is good that you can laugh away your
innocence.

I have heard a case with a political leader who was given
contributions to help dig water wells for certain villagers. Many
donors thought he was a decent man. Recently, one of the donors went
to check that particular village to look for the wells promised by
this politician that the wells would be dug, but to her
disappointment, the wells were nowhere to be found.

She came back to the U.S and laughed at him, too. I am sure, however,
that politician was lauging all the way to bis bank. :-)

I have tons of story like this to tell. It could be written as
historical books.

Have you ever sent any more money after that?

I hope not.

Thanks again KC.



On May 18, 6:46 pm, kourk_chh...@yahoo.com wrote:
> Bang, here's my story,
> my family had collected monies to help a relative overthere, for that money 
> he said he would buy a motorcycle, use it to buy and transport pigs to sell 
> in the city so they 'll make profits...2 months later, they sent another 
> letter, the motorcycle was broken, need money to fix it, month after that 
> another letter came, he said in the letter he got in an accident, the 
> motorcycle was totally lost. He got another idea, he asked to help him start 
> a motorbike washer business, so we collected money for him again...a few 
> months later one of us went their to visit and wanted to see how his business 
> doing, guess what they saw... everybody was in melee, they told that the man 
> in trouble because his wife was chasing after him with "Kambett Paing Tor" 
> because he had been spent monies we sent him with young girls from one to 
> another and his wife sell Nom Banh Chok everyday to feed the kids while this 
> man had fun of his ownafter hearing this story we
 all
>  just couldn't help ourselve laughing...
> Khoar Chev ( Made in Cambodia )
>
> --- On Mon, 5/18/09, TSC  wrote:
>
> From: TSC 
> Subject: Re: My Cambodian foster daughter
> To: "Cambodia Discussion (CAMDISC) -www.cambodia.org" 
> 
> Date: Monday, May 18, 2009, 3:08 PM
>
> Hi KC,
>
> When I told my relatives that I had to plant flowers and vegetations
> in my living room, family room and in the kitchen, they were laughing.
> Perhaps, thinking that I was lying to have them plant things in the
> same fashion.
>
> Inspecting their lands around their home, I knew I could do a lot of
> things with the kind of soil that my relatives have. I bought them
> seeds of all kinds of vegetable and gardening flower and asking them
> to grow them.  Many month later, I went back to check to see if they
> had grown them. They told me that there was not much rain to grow
> anything. I told them that I had dug nice wells for them to use the
> water for such purposes. They told me that it was too hard to water
> the plants with well water.  Meanwhile, they rather asked for more
> money to go shopping for things that they could grow themselves and
> had the nerve to complain that those things have gotten more
> expensive.
>
> On the other hand, most Vietnamese and Chinese are working real hard
> for their money. They work hard from collecting cans, fishing, growing
> fruits and vegetables, selling all kinds of products and they don’t
> expect any handouts. They would risk their life to come into Cambodia
> for such an opportunity to work the land. Many of these individuals,
> except the newcomers, were in the same Pol Pot regime and yet they
> have managed to rise from poverty quicker than most Cambodians.
>
> We need to change their mentality from being sluggish to energetic and
> stop depending on others to feed them forever. In this competitive
> world we cannot have both free time and money at the same time unless
> you were born with a silver spoon in your mouth.  Cambodians can
> become self-sufficient like any other people in the world, but they
> must work.  Maybe it’s time for the world, country of donors and
> politicians to stop “giving them fish, but teach them how to fish”…
> and let them fish or be starved. Somehow I feel that many of them are
> being spoiled!
>
> If you don’t work, you don’t eat!
>
> Thanks KC
>
> ===
> On May 18, 2:20 pm, kourk_chh...@yahoo.com wrote:
>
>
>
> > Bro Tim and all,
> > Bang Sothon, I can't agree more. I've never been in Cambodia for 30 years, 
> > but keep hearing the same thing from different people returned from 
> > visiting r

RE: My Cambodian foster daughter

[Bury Chau]

y lost patience with Hun Sen. So only time 
will tell who will be the next person to bump Hun Sen off the prime minister 
seat. The Karma wheel turns in the same mannor and direction as Hun Sen has 
done to his friends and predecessors


 


From: chaub...@hotmail.com
To: camdisc@googlegroups.com
Subject: RE: My Cambodian foster daughter
Date: Tue, 19 May 2009 18:50:52 -0700




 
THIS BOOK : " GIAI PHONG " by T Terzani. It describes a Vietnamese as THIEF, A 
LIAR, A KILLER, A DECEIVER , a sleeper .. 



Sok Kong's Sokimex  in line for big rewards from Hun Sen regime 


Sok Kong(a Vietnamese ), the owner of Sokimex, a crony of Hun Sen
Sokimex gas station in Cambodia (Photo: The Phnom Penh Post)

SOK KONG SAYS HE IS A VIETNAMESE , CAN A VIETNAMESE OWN ALL THIS IN CAMBODIA ?
  
 
People in Phnom Penh say it's not what Hun Sen said but what this guy did to 
Cambodia. Hun Sen is the prime minister to the outside but inside government 
houses, he is seen so incapable to even giving marching orders to others 
without approval from this guy.

Who's this guy?

His name is Sok An, a Viet descent, the current deputy prime minister for 
Cambodia and chairman of the Cambodian National Petroleum Authority (CNPA). He 
has more authorities and unquestionable power than all ministries combined. To 
most Cambodian government senior officials he is the storm and thunder maker.

Like many of his peers in the in the Cambodian Peoples' Party (CPP), under 
Hanoi given alias, Sok An, began his career as a bureaucrat during Vietnam's 
occupation in the early 1980s and rose to prominence alongside Prime Minister 
Hun Sen. An astute political operator, he remained by Hun Sen's side throughout 
the CPP's ruthless consolidation of power and is now one of the prime 
minister's closest allies. Their relationship was recently strengthened through 
the arranged marriage of Sok An's son Sok Puthyvuth to Hun Sen's daughter Hun 
Mali.

Global Witness has written about Sok An previously in his capacity as 
co-signatory on many of the original agreements for logging concessionaires in 
Cambodia.These concession agreements formed the basis of the disastrous 
destruction of forests which followed, at great cost to Cambodia's environment 
and little benefit to Cambodia's economy.

As the regime's second-in-command, Sok An holds a number of other important 
governmental positions, so many in fact that he has been likened to a 
many-armed Hindu god, due to his
tendency to have a hand in everything. It came as little surprise that, when 
the CNPA was established in 1998, Sok An was elected as its chairman. Since 
then he has presided over all contracts awarded to oil companies, acting as the 
point person for potential investors.

One cartoonist's view of the many-armed Sok An holding many key positions:
-Permanent Vice Chairman of the Supreme Council for State Reform,
-Chairman of the Council for Administrative Reform,
-Chairman of the National Tourism Authority,
-Vice Chairman of the Centralist Democratic Institute (CDI),
-Vice Chairman the Asia Pacific Institute;
-Chief of the Apasara Authority,
-Chief of the National Land Dispute Authority,
-Chief of the Cambodia Training Board,
-Chief of the Royal Academy,
-Chief of the Khmer Rouge Tribunal,
-Member of the Council of Royal Administration and Chief of the State 
Investment Board on Rubber Enterprise.

In his spare time he also finds time to chair the Cambodian National Scout 
Association and run his private cock fighting sport arenas and money bidding 
operation.This is the root of corruption that is up close and too personal to 
Hun Sen. Although with the laws passed and implemented, as long as Sok An 
remains with too much power in hands, Hun Sen will have a hard time to wrestle 
him down. Also people have already lost patience with Hun Sen. So only time 
will tell who will be the next person to bump Hun Sen off the prime minister 
seat. The Karma wheel turns in the same mannor and direction as Hun Sen has 
done to his friends and predecessors.




THE VIETNAMESE TRICKS IN CAMBODIA OCCUPIED BY VIETNAM.THE VIETNAMESE WEARING 
THE LABEL "CAMBODIAN"


 



 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
Khieu Kanharith,  the minister of Information, during a press conference held 
on 04 January 2009. KHIEU KANHARITH , A VIETNAMESE WEARING THE LABEL"CAMBODIAN"
 

THE FACTS ARE :
UN Passes Strong Resolution on Cambodia Human Rights Abuses 
Feb. 27, 1982 : UN Commission on Human Rights meeting in Geneva adopted a 
resolution condemning Vietnam’s occupation of Cambodia as a violation of 
Cambodian human rights. The vote was 28 in favor, 8 against, and 5 abstentions.

Oct. 21, 1986 The UN General Assembly adopted a resolution A/RES/41/6, by vote 
of 116-21 with 13 abstentions, calling for a withdrawal of Vietnamese forces 
from Cambodia.



 
this woman , the Deputy Prime Ministers Men Sam An(A VIETNAMESE ), Nhek Bun 
Chhay a

RE: My Cambodian foster daughter

[Bury Chau]

nal Prosecutors Differ on Added Suspects 


Chea Leang(a Vietnamese )posing as "Cambodian" co-prosecutor)Tribunal judges 
will determine whether more suspects should be investigated.
 


 
WHAT RIGHTS DO THESE VIETNAMESE INVADERS HAVE TO CONTINUE TO
REMAIN IN THE COUNTRY AS MASTERS OF THE LAND?
 
Bury 
 



 


> Date: Mon, 18 May 2009 15:15:05 -0700
> Subject: Re: My Cambodian foster daughter
> From: therabbitn...@netscape.net
> To: camdisc@googlegroups.com
> 
> 
> 
> 
> On May 15, 10:44 pm, Len Graceffo  wrote:
> > Hello Everybody!!! I really need some advice. Please read the following 
> > correspondences with my friend Shelly in Canada. I've been told by 
> > foreigners living in Cambodia that the poor can't go to bed with money in 
> > their pocket as they're programmed to a "day to day" survival mentality. 
> > I'm a Canadian who has been giving $100.00 U.S./month for the last 2 years 
> > to a family of 7 (5 kids). That's about $157.00 CDN with the exchange and 
> > western union fees that they don't seem to understand. The mother can't 
> > read I found out as I was pointing to the months written in Khmer in my 
> > translation book and she didn't understand. But she knows her numbers !!! 
> > The attractive, intelligent 17 year old girl "Mach" lives in Krawlann,Siem 
> > Reap behind the market in a shack off of National Rd #6 at the intersection 
> > of the road that goes north to O'Smach. My recent trip a month ago revealed 
> > that food prices are a lot higher than Thailand's. Why? A skinny whole 
> > chicken cost 150 baht !!! I've been told that university educated people 
> > don't earn $100.00/month U.S. I don't want her ending up in prostitution as 
> > she's the eldest daughter. They keep asking for more money and its making 
> > me angry. Can't they just accept $100.00 U.S and be grateful?  This time 
> > it's to "make rice" up at the family farm in Samrong. I told the parents 
> > that they can do whatever they want with the money as long as Mach is in 
> > English school for the half day I believe and the other half in Khmer.  
> > I've just told her a few days ago I want her needs met and to tell her 
> > mother that $50.00/month is for Mach and the other 50 is for the family. I 
> > give $100.00U.S./month to cover any lost wages since Mach is supposed to be 
> > studying. I really like her Dad Pin. He's a driver/farmer apparently and 
> > seems to work the Krawlann/Samrong/Anlong Veng triangle. With all those 
> > kids is it possible to save money out of that $100.00U.S. I'm lost. I feel 
> > like cutting them off or reducing it to $50.00/month Please advise, Lenny G
> 
> 
> 
> My conscience is very critical toward the Cambodian culture, which
> many people have been disputing.
> It's not bad when a society carries a good culture, which many
> Cambodians have been trying to pursuade others to believe.
> This is where i have problems with. It's very simple to think of it.
> Why have Cambodians destroying their own people with their own hands
> in their own country with or without the help of other nations?
> Why are the Cambodian poeple blaming their own illnesses on someone
> else and trying to make others believe them as victims?
> Many people think that Cambodians truely believe in buddha. Why did
> they kill and tortured millions of their own people during the Khmer
> Rogue era?
> Why are they still doing it as many people are trying to tell us here?
> 
> The more we read about it, the more bad stuffs are coming out from our
> conclusion.
> In your case, that is a part of it. You think that you are helping
> some innocent people who are crying for help. Instead, you are being
> victimized by those people. That's Cambodia,.
> 
> > 

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Re: My Cambodian foster daughter

[TSC]

Thank you Neak Srey for your comments.

As I previously expected them. The truth hurts.

Have a pleasant day.

On May 19, 3:47 pm, "Bopha Angkor"  wrote:
> Lok chhim,
>
> You should not be ashamed to say or doing right thing but you should be
> shameful to say ill and stupid things against other whether right or wrong.
> You should try to understand people, their way of life, their priority;
> their difficulties instead drown down in ill prejudice.  Some people may
> give priority to mind beauty than appearance. Other may arm priority to
> wealthy over spirituality. Some are just tired and stave of hungry and don’t
> give shit important to thing around.  Some people did not see anything wrong
> in crime, in killing, in injustice but being disturbed about shit and
> garbage.  If I believe tale about Luis XIV, not late than 18th century, the
> grand French sun king Luis XIV and his nobles still piss like dogs inside in
> the royal palace the Versailles. There is no shit hygiene place yet. Luis
> XIV rarely took his bath so each time he took a bath is a pretext for the
> entire kingdom to make a big festivity.  Not long ago, Americans were still
> a bunch of oafs and criminals, sunk in the bath of blood and still can
> barely get head out of it even now they have much quite good appearance.
> Remember, a butterfly with all its beauties and elegant was early a worm.
> Yes I agree there are a lot of things that these people must change, must
> get rid of but it is not this kind of ill prejudice that can help them. If
> you have this kind of prejudice in the brain cell, you should not give shit
> time to help them just to look down on them and to self exhibit as a better
> person. Better let they stave to die. Each person, each nation has its
> neurosis. The only difference is they are on right track or the otherside of
> truth.  You must know that prejudice is a way to an act of crime.  It is
> often  by prejudice and profane of hated that drown people to commit crime.
> Yuons  also use this kind of prejudice and profane of hated against these
> people to  commit crime against them as you see here and there. After yuons,
> these  people are so dirty, black, lazy, dam stupid, and ugly they don’t
> merit to  live. But the chins, yuons are smart, beautiful, hard worker
> because they  have white skin.
>
>
>
> - Original Message -
> From: "TSC" 
> To: "Cambodia Discussion (CAMDISC) -www.cambodia.org"
>
> 
> Sent: Tuesday, May 19, 2009 6:55 PM
> Subject: Re: My Cambodian foster daughter
>
> Lenny,
>
> There is no system in place to safeguard environments or to enforce
> public health issue. Cambodians just throw garbage anywhere they
> please. They urinate or take a dump at any space they want and left it
> unburied.  Most households don’t have any kind of “outhouse”
> available. You just have to watch you don’t step on their droppings in
> their backyards. Try to eat lunch or dinner without being devoured by
> flies and other kinds of insects.  Then, you wonder why nearly all
> Cambodians are somehow unhealthy.
>
> I don’t think it is because of poverty, I think it's just plain
> carelessness, laziness and the lack of law enforcements. Where I live,
> I would be served with plenty of summons, if rubbishes are found
> around my home. No still water can be left in the back or front yard.
> You will lose your shirt if you are found urinated in public.
>
> It’s a shame for me to say all of this, because I am one of
> Cambodians, too.  Cambodians have to seriously change a lot of things;
> this issue is one of them.
>
> Regards,
>
> 
> On May 19, 5:52 am, Len Graceffo  wrote:
> > Dear all. Thanx for bringing up the "garbage in the back yard". I forgot
> > to mention that. I notice it every time I go there but haven't had the
> > courage to say anything about it. I just can't understand why parents
> > wouldn't clean the mess in their own back yards whether it was theirs or
> > not. Stagnant water and garbage is no enviornment to raise children. With
> > the money I've given them they could of easily drained the land and kept
> > it clean whether the garbage is theirs or not. I just assumed that when
> > your so poor and beaten down you just stop giving a shit. Several of my
> > Surin/Burriam Khmer friends said the same things you people have; they're
> > just lazy. What a learning experience!!! Keep it comin', Lenny G
>
> > > Date: Mon, 18 May 2009 19:35:11 -0700
> > > Subject: Re: My Cambodian foster daughter
> > > From: timothych...@aol.com
> > > To: camdisc@googlegroups.com
>
> > > Hi KC,
>
> > > Thanks fo

Re: My Cambodian foster daughter

[Bopha Angkor]

Lok chhim,

You should not be ashamed to say or doing right thing but you should be
shameful to say ill and stupid things against other whether right or wrong.
You should try to understand people, their way of life, their priority;
their difficulties instead drown down in ill prejudice.  Some people may
give priority to mind beauty than appearance. Other may arm priority to
wealthy over spirituality. Some are just tired and stave of hungry and don’t
give shit important to thing around.  Some people did not see anything wrong
in crime, in killing, in injustice but being disturbed about shit and
garbage.  If I believe tale about Luis XIV, not late than 18th century, the
grand French sun king Luis XIV and his nobles still piss like dogs inside in
the royal palace the Versailles. There is no shit hygiene place yet. Luis
XIV rarely took his bath so each time he took a bath is a pretext for the
entire kingdom to make a big festivity.  Not long ago, Americans were still
a bunch of oafs and criminals, sunk in the bath of blood and still can
barely get head out of it even now they have much quite good appearance.
Remember, a butterfly with all its beauties and elegant was early a worm.
Yes I agree there are a lot of things that these people must change, must
get rid of but it is not this kind of ill prejudice that can help them. If
you have this kind of prejudice in the brain cell, you should not give shit
time to help them just to look down on them and to self exhibit as a better
person. Better let they stave to die. Each person, each nation has its 
neurosis. The only difference is they are on right track or the otherside of 
truth.  You must know that prejudice is a way to an act of crime.  It is 
often  by prejudice and profane of hated that drown people to commit crime. 
Yuons  also use this kind of prejudice and profane of hated against these 
people to  commit crime against them as you see here and there. After yuons, 
these  people are so dirty, black, lazy, dam stupid, and ugly they don’t 
merit to  live. But the chins, yuons are smart, beautiful, hard worker 
because they  have white skin.

- Original Message - 
From: "TSC" 
To: "Cambodia Discussion (CAMDISC) - www.cambodia.org"

Sent: Tuesday, May 19, 2009 6:55 PM
Subject: Re: My Cambodian foster daughter

Lenny,

There is no system in place to safeguard environments or to enforce
public health issue. Cambodians just throw garbage anywhere they
please. They urinate or take a dump at any space they want and left it
unburied.  Most households don’t have any kind of “outhouse”
available. You just have to watch you don’t step on their droppings in
their backyards. Try to eat lunch or dinner without being devoured by
flies and other kinds of insects.  Then, you wonder why nearly all
Cambodians are somehow unhealthy.

I don’t think it is because of poverty, I think it's just plain
carelessness, laziness and the lack of law enforcements. Where I live,
I would be served with plenty of summons, if rubbishes are found
around my home. No still water can be left in the back or front yard.
You will lose your shirt if you are found urinated in public.

It’s a shame for me to say all of this, because I am one of
Cambodians, too.  Cambodians have to seriously change a lot of things;
this issue is one of them.

Regards,


On May 19, 5:52 am, Len Graceffo  wrote:
> Dear all. Thanx for bringing up the "garbage in the back yard". I forgot
> to mention that. I notice it every time I go there but haven't had the
> courage to say anything about it. I just can't understand why parents
> wouldn't clean the mess in their own back yards whether it was theirs or
> not. Stagnant water and garbage is no enviornment to raise children. With
> the money I've given them they could of easily drained the land and kept
> it clean whether the garbage is theirs or not. I just assumed that when
> your so poor and beaten down you just stop giving a shit. Several of my
> Surin/Burriam Khmer friends said the same things you people have; they're
> just lazy. What a learning experience!!! Keep it comin', Lenny G
>
>
>
> > Date: Mon, 18 May 2009 19:35:11 -0700
> > Subject: Re: My Cambodian foster daughter
> > From: timothych...@aol.com
> > To: camdisc@googlegroups.com
>
> > Hi KC,
>
> > Thanks for sharing. It is good that you can laugh away your
> > innocence.
>
> > I have heard a case with a political leader who was given
> > contributions to help dig water wells for certain villagers. Many
> > donors thought he was a decent man. Recently, one of the donors went
> > to check that particular village to look for the wells promised by
> > this politician that the wells would be dug, but to her
> > disappointment, the wells were nowhere to be found.
>
> > She came back to the U.S and lau

Re: My Cambodian foster daughter

[TSC]

Lenny,

There is no system in place to safeguard environments or to enforce
public health issue. Cambodians just throw garbage anywhere they
please. They urinate or take a dump at any space they want and left it
unburied.  Most households don’t have any kind of “outhouse”
available. You just have to watch you don’t step on their droppings in
their backyards. Try to eat lunch or dinner without being devoured by
flies and other kinds of insects.  Then, you wonder why nearly all
Cambodians are somehow unhealthy.

I don’t think it is because of poverty, I think it's just plain
carelessness, laziness and the lack of law enforcements. Where I live,
I would be served with plenty of summons, if rubbishes are found
around my home. No still water can be left in the back or front yard.
You will lose your shirt if you are found urinated in public.

It’s a shame for me to say all of this, because I am one of
Cambodians, too.  Cambodians have to seriously change a lot of things;
this issue is one of them.

Regards,


On May 19, 5:52 am, Len Graceffo  wrote:
> Dear all. Thanx for bringing up the "garbage in the back yard". I forgot to 
> mention that. I notice it every time I go there but haven't had the courage 
> to say anything about it. I just can't understand why parents wouldn't clean 
> the mess in their own back yards whether it was theirs or not. Stagnant water 
> and garbage is no enviornment to raise children. With the money I've given 
> them they could of easily drained the land and kept it clean whether the 
> garbage is theirs or not. I just assumed that when your so poor and beaten 
> down you just stop giving a shit. Several of my Surin/Burriam Khmer friends 
> said the same things you people have; they're just lazy. What a learning 
> experience!!! Keep it comin', Lenny G
>
>
>
> > Date: Mon, 18 May 2009 19:35:11 -0700
> > Subject: Re: My Cambodian foster daughter
> > From: timothych...@aol.com
> > To: camdisc@googlegroups.com
>
> > Hi KC,
>
> > Thanks for sharing. It is good that you can laugh away your
> > innocence.
>
> > I have heard a case with a political leader who was given
> > contributions to help dig water wells for certain villagers. Many
> > donors thought he was a decent man. Recently, one of the donors went
> > to check that particular village to look for the wells promised by
> > this politician that the wells would be dug, but to her
> > disappointment, the wells were nowhere to be found.
>
> > She came back to the U.S and laughed at him, too. I am sure, however,
> > that politician was lauging all the way to bis bank. :-)
>
> > I have tons of story like this to tell. It could be written as
> > historical books.
>
> > Have you ever sent any more money after that?
>
> > I hope not.
>
> > Thanks again KC.
>
> > 
>
> > On May 18, 6:46 pm, kourk_chh...@yahoo.com wrote:
> > > Bang, here's my story,
> > > my family had collected monies to help a relative overthere, for that 
> > > money he said he would buy a motorcycle, use it to buy and transport pigs 
> > > to sell in the city so they 'll make profits...2 months later, they sent 
> > > another letter, the motorcycle was broken, need money to fix it, month 
> > > after that another letter came, he said in the letter he got in an 
> > > accident, the motorcycle was totally lost. He got another idea, he asked 
> > > to help him start a motorbike washer business, so we collected money for 
> > > him again...a few months later one of us went their to visit and wanted 
> > > to see how his business doing, guess what they saw... everybody was in 
> > > melee, they told that the man in trouble because his wife was chasing 
> > > after him with "Kambett Paing Tor" because he had been spent monies we 
> > > sent him with young girls from one to another and his wife sell Nom Banh 
> > > Chok everyday to feed the kids while this man had fun of his ownafter 
> > > hearing this story we all
> > >  just couldn't help ourselve laughing...
> > > Khoar Chev ( Made in Cambodia )
>
> > > --- On Mon, 5/18/09, TSC  wrote:
>
> > > From: TSC 
> > > Subject: Re: My Cambodian foster daughter
> > > To: "Cambodia Discussion (CAMDISC) -www.cambodia.org" 
> > > 
> > > Date: Monday, May 18, 2009, 3:08 PM
>
> > > Hi KC,
>
> > > When I told my relatives that I had to plant flowers and vegetations
> > > in my living room, family room and in the kitchen, they were laughing.
> > > Perhaps, thinking that I was lying to have the

RE: My Cambodian foster daughter

[Len Graceffo]

Dear all. Thanx for bringing up the "garbage in the back yard". I forgot to 
mention that. I notice it every time I go there but haven't had the courage to 
say anything about it. I just can't understand why parents wouldn't clean the 
mess in their own back yards whether it was theirs or not. Stagnant water and 
garbage is no enviornment to raise children. With the money I've given them 
they could of easily drained the land and kept it clean whether the garbage is 
theirs or not. I just assumed that when your so poor and beaten down you just 
stop giving a shit. Several of my Surin/Burriam Khmer friends said the same 
things you people have; they're just lazy. What a learning experience!!! Keep 
it comin', Lenny G
 
> Date: Mon, 18 May 2009 19:35:11 -0700
> Subject: Re: My Cambodian foster daughter
> From: timothych...@aol.com
> To: camdisc@googlegroups.com
> 
> 
> Hi KC,
> 
> Thanks for sharing. It is good that you can laugh away your
> innocence.
> 
> I have heard a case with a political leader who was given
> contributions to help dig water wells for certain villagers. Many
> donors thought he was a decent man. Recently, one of the donors went
> to check that particular village to look for the wells promised by
> this politician that the wells would be dug, but to her
> disappointment, the wells were nowhere to be found.
> 
> She came back to the U.S and laughed at him, too. I am sure, however,
> that politician was lauging all the way to bis bank. :-)
> 
> I have tons of story like this to tell. It could be written as
> historical books.
> 
> Have you ever sent any more money after that?
> 
> I hope not.
> 
> Thanks again KC.
> 
> 
> 
> On May 18, 6:46 pm, kourk_chh...@yahoo.com wrote:
> > Bang, here's my story,
> > my family had collected monies to help a relative overthere, for that money 
> > he said he would buy a motorcycle, use it to buy and transport pigs to sell 
> > in the city so they 'll make profits...2 months later, they sent another 
> > letter, the motorcycle was broken, need money to fix it, month after that 
> > another letter came, he said in the letter he got in an accident, the 
> > motorcycle was totally lost. He got another idea, he asked to help him 
> > start a motorbike washer business, so we collected money for him again...a 
> > few months later one of us went their to visit and wanted to see how his 
> > business doing, guess what they saw... everybody was in melee, they told 
> > that the man in trouble because his wife was chasing after him with 
> > "Kambett Paing Tor" because he had been spent monies we sent him with young 
> > girls from one to another and his wife sell Nom Banh Chok everyday to feed 
> > the kids while this man had fun of his ownafter hearing this story we 
> > all
> >  just couldn't help ourselve laughing...
> > Khoar Chev ( Made in Cambodia )
> >
> > --- On Mon, 5/18/09, TSC  wrote:
> >
> > From: TSC 
> > Subject: Re: My Cambodian foster daughter
> > To: "Cambodia Discussion (CAMDISC) -www.cambodia.org" 
> > 
> > Date: Monday, May 18, 2009, 3:08 PM
> >
> > Hi KC,
> >
> > When I told my relatives that I had to plant flowers and vegetations
> > in my living room, family room and in the kitchen, they were laughing.
> > Perhaps, thinking that I was lying to have them plant things in the
> > same fashion.
> >
> > Inspecting their lands around their home, I knew I could do a lot of
> > things with the kind of soil that my relatives have. I bought them
> > seeds of all kinds of vegetable and gardening flower and asking them
> > to grow them.  Many month later, I went back to check to see if they
> > had grown them. They told me that there was not much rain to grow
> > anything. I told them that I had dug nice wells for them to use the
> > water for such purposes. They told me that it was too hard to water
> > the plants with well water.  Meanwhile, they rather asked for more
> > money to go shopping for things that they could grow themselves and
> > had the nerve to complain that those things have gotten more
> > expensive.
> >
> > On the other hand, most Vietnamese and Chinese are working real hard
> > for their money. They work hard from collecting cans, fishing, growing
> > fruits and vegetables, selling all kinds of products and they don’t
> > expect any handouts. They would risk their life to come into Cambodia
> > for such an opportunity to work the land. Many of these individuals,
> > except the newcomers, were in the same Pol Pot regime and yet they
> > 

Re: My Cambodian foster daughter

[TSC]

Hi KC,

Thanks for sharing. It is good that you can laugh away your
innocence.

I have heard a case with a political leader who was given
contributions to help dig water wells for certain villagers. Many
donors thought he was a decent man. Recently, one of the donors went
to check that particular village to look for the wells promised by
this politician that the wells would be dug, but to her
disappointment, the wells were nowhere to be found.

She came back to the U.S and laughed at him, too. I am sure, however,
that politician was lauging all the way to bis bank. :-)

I have tons of story like this to tell. It could be written as
historical books.

Have you ever sent any more money after that?

I hope not.

Thanks again KC.



On May 18, 6:46 pm, kourk_chh...@yahoo.com wrote:
> Bang, here's my story,
> my family had collected monies to help a relative overthere, for that money 
> he said he would buy a motorcycle, use it to buy and transport pigs to sell 
> in the city so they 'll make profits...2 months later, they sent another 
> letter, the motorcycle was broken, need money to fix it, month after that 
> another letter came, he said in the letter he got in an accident, the 
> motorcycle was totally lost. He got another idea, he asked to help him start 
> a motorbike washer business, so we collected money for him again...a few 
> months later one of us went their to visit and wanted to see how his business 
> doing, guess what they saw... everybody was in melee, they told that the man 
> in trouble because his wife was chasing after him with "Kambett Paing Tor" 
> because he had been spent monies we sent him with young girls from one to 
> another and his wife sell Nom Banh Chok everyday to feed the kids while this 
> man had fun of his ownafter hearing this story we all
>  just couldn't help ourselve laughing...
> Khoar Chev ( Made in Cambodia )
>
> --- On Mon, 5/18/09, TSC  wrote:
>
> From: TSC 
> Subject: Re: My Cambodian foster daughter
> To: "Cambodia Discussion (CAMDISC) -www.cambodia.org" 
> 
> Date: Monday, May 18, 2009, 3:08 PM
>
> Hi KC,
>
> When I told my relatives that I had to plant flowers and vegetations
> in my living room, family room and in the kitchen, they were laughing.
> Perhaps, thinking that I was lying to have them plant things in the
> same fashion.
>
> Inspecting their lands around their home, I knew I could do a lot of
> things with the kind of soil that my relatives have. I bought them
> seeds of all kinds of vegetable and gardening flower and asking them
> to grow them.  Many month later, I went back to check to see if they
> had grown them. They told me that there was not much rain to grow
> anything. I told them that I had dug nice wells for them to use the
> water for such purposes. They told me that it was too hard to water
> the plants with well water.  Meanwhile, they rather asked for more
> money to go shopping for things that they could grow themselves and
> had the nerve to complain that those things have gotten more
> expensive.
>
> On the other hand, most Vietnamese and Chinese are working real hard
> for their money. They work hard from collecting cans, fishing, growing
> fruits and vegetables, selling all kinds of products and they don’t
> expect any handouts. They would risk their life to come into Cambodia
> for such an opportunity to work the land. Many of these individuals,
> except the newcomers, were in the same Pol Pot regime and yet they
> have managed to rise from poverty quicker than most Cambodians.
>
> We need to change their mentality from being sluggish to energetic and
> stop depending on others to feed them forever. In this competitive
> world we cannot have both free time and money at the same time unless
> you were born with a silver spoon in your mouth.  Cambodians can
> become self-sufficient like any other people in the world, but they
> must work.  Maybe it’s time for the world, country of donors and
> politicians to stop “giving them fish, but teach them how to fish”…
> and let them fish or be starved. Somehow I feel that many of them are
> being spoiled!
>
> If you don’t work, you don’t eat!
>
> Thanks KC
>
> ===
> On May 18, 2:20 pm, kourk_chh...@yahoo.com wrote:
>
>
>
> > Bro Tim and all,
> > Bang Sothon, I can't agree more. I've never been in Cambodia for 30 years, 
> > but keep hearing the same thing from different people returned from 
> > visiting relatives in Cambodia that their relatives there today are so lazy 
> > ( Sorry I said what they told me ), everything they have to buy from the 
> > market even vegies such as mint, peppers, lemon grass etc , for most of us 
> > here even we don't own a house 

Re: My Cambodian foster daughter

[kourk_chheng]

Bang, here's my story,
my family had collected monies to help a relative overthere, for that money 
he said he would buy a motorcycle, use it to buy and transport pigs to sell in 
the city so they 'll make profits...2 months later, they sent another letter, 
the motorcycle was broken, need money to fix it, month after that another 
letter came, he said in the letter he got in an accident, the motorcycle was 
totally lost. He got another idea, he asked to help him start a motorbike 
washer business, so we collected money for him again...a few months later one 
of us went their to visit and wanted to see how his business doing, guess what 
they saw... everybody was in melee, they told that the man in trouble because 
his wife was chasing after him with "Kambett Paing Tor" because he had been 
spent monies we sent him with young girls from one to another and his wife 
sell Nom Banh Chok everyday to feed the kids while this man had fun of his 
ownafter hearing this story we all
 just couldn't help ourselve laughing...
Khoar Chev ( Made in Cambodia )

--- On Mon, 5/18/09, TSC  wrote:


From: TSC 
Subject: Re: My Cambodian foster daughter
To: "Cambodia Discussion (CAMDISC) - www.cambodia.org" 

Date: Monday, May 18, 2009, 3:08 PM



Hi KC,

When I told my relatives that I had to plant flowers and vegetations
in my living room, family room and in the kitchen, they were laughing.
Perhaps, thinking that I was lying to have them plant things in the
same fashion.

Inspecting their lands around their home, I knew I could do a lot of
things with the kind of soil that my relatives have. I bought them
seeds of all kinds of vegetable and gardening flower and asking them
to grow them.  Many month later, I went back to check to see if they
had grown them. They told me that there was not much rain to grow
anything. I told them that I had dug nice wells for them to use the
water for such purposes. They told me that it was too hard to water
the plants with well water.  Meanwhile, they rather asked for more
money to go shopping for things that they could grow themselves and
had the nerve to complain that those things have gotten more
expensive.

On the other hand, most Vietnamese and Chinese are working real hard
for their money. They work hard from collecting cans, fishing, growing
fruits and vegetables, selling all kinds of products and they don’t
expect any handouts. They would risk their life to come into Cambodia
for such an opportunity to work the land. Many of these individuals,
except the newcomers, were in the same Pol Pot regime and yet they
have managed to rise from poverty quicker than most Cambodians.

We need to change their mentality from being sluggish to energetic and
stop depending on others to feed them forever. In this competitive
world we cannot have both free time and money at the same time unless
you were born with a silver spoon in your mouth.  Cambodians can
become self-sufficient like any other people in the world, but they
must work.  Maybe it’s time for the world, country of donors and
politicians to stop “giving them fish, but teach them how to fish”…
and let them fish or be starved. Somehow I feel that many of them are
being spoiled!

If you don’t work, you don’t eat!

Thanks KC

===
On May 18, 2:20 pm, kourk_chh...@yahoo.com wrote:
> Bro Tim and all,
> Bang Sothon, I can't agree more. I've never been in Cambodia for 30 years, 
> but keep hearing the same thing from different people returned from visiting 
> relatives in Cambodia that their relatives there today are so lazy ( Sorry I 
> said what they told me ), everything they have to buy from the market 
> even vegies such as mint, peppers, lemon grass etc , for most of us here even 
> we don't own a house we still be able to grow them in container or 
> planter ...don't know why they are so spoiled?
>  
> KC
> Khoar Chev ( Made in Cambodia )
>
> --- On Mon, 5/18/09, TSC  wrote:
>
> From: TSC 
> Subject: Re: My Cambodian foster daughter
> To: "Cambodia Discussion (CAMDISC) -www.cambodia.org" 
> 
> Date: Monday, May 18, 2009, 10:44 AM
>
> Hi Lenny,
>
> Thanks for your reply.
>
> Working doesn't mean that one must be employed. I have been to Kralanh
> and Samrong and I know that the people are destitute, there. But, many
> people have so much free time that they can turn your contributions
> into gold with a little effort, if they want to.
>
> However, many people chose to sit around and do nothing, not even
> planting some household vegetables to feed the family. They would
> rather go to the market to buy things that they can produce themselves
> with little effort. Some don't even clean their home, backyard and or
> front yard and they rather sit around with garbage all over the place.
> Many would rather spend time playing card and singing Karaoke in the
&g

Re: My Cambodian foster daughter

[kangaroo]

On May 15, 10:44 pm, Len Graceffo  wrote:
> Hello Everybody!!! I really need some advice. Please read the following 
> correspondences with my friend Shelly in Canada. I've been told by foreigners 
> living in Cambodia that the poor can't go to bed with money in their pocket 
> as they're programmed to a "day to day" survival mentality. I'm a Canadian 
> who has been giving $100.00 U.S./month for the last 2 years to a family of 7 
> (5 kids). That's about $157.00 CDN with the exchange and western union fees 
> that they don't seem to understand. The mother can't read I found out as I 
> was pointing to the months written in Khmer in my translation book and she 
> didn't understand. But she knows her numbers !!! The attractive, intelligent 
> 17 year old girl "Mach" lives in Krawlann,Siem Reap behind the market in a 
> shack off of National Rd #6 at the intersection of the road that goes north 
> to O'Smach. My recent trip a month ago revealed that food prices are a lot 
> higher than Thailand's. Why? A skinny whole chicken cost 150 baht !!! I've 
> been told that university educated people don't earn $100.00/month U.S. I 
> don't want her ending up in prostitution as she's the eldest daughter. They 
> keep asking for more money and its making me angry. Can't they just accept 
> $100.00 U.S and be grateful?  This time it's to "make rice" up at the family 
> farm in Samrong. I told the parents that they can do whatever they want with 
> the money as long as Mach is in English school for the half day I believe and 
> the other half in Khmer.  I've just told her a few days ago I want her needs 
> met and to tell her mother that $50.00/month is for Mach and the other 50 is 
> for the family. I give $100.00U.S./month to cover any lost wages since Mach 
> is supposed to be studying. I really like her Dad Pin. He's a driver/farmer 
> apparently and seems to work the Krawlann/Samrong/Anlong Veng triangle. With 
> all those kids is it possible to save money out of that $100.00U.S. I'm lost. 
> I feel like cutting them off or reducing it to $50.00/month Please advise, 
> Lenny G



My conscience is very critical toward the Cambodian culture, which
many people have been disputing.
It's not bad when a society carries a good culture, which many
Cambodians have been trying to pursuade others to believe.
This is where i have problems with. It's very simple to think of it.
Why have Cambodians destroying their own people with their own hands
in their own country with or without the help of other nations?
Why are the Cambodian poeple blaming their own illnesses on someone
else and trying to make others believe them as victims?
Many people think that Cambodians truely believe in buddha. Why did
they kill and tortured millions of their own people during the Khmer
Rogue era?
Why are they still doing it as many people are trying to tell us here?

The more we read about it, the more bad stuffs are coming out from our
conclusion.
In your case, that is a part of it. You think that you are helping
some innocent people who are crying for help. Instead, you are being
victimized by those people. That's Cambodia,.

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Re: My Cambodian foster daughter

[TSC]

Hi KC,

When I told my relatives that I had to plant flowers and vegetations
in my living room, family room and in the kitchen, they were laughing.
Perhaps, thinking that I was lying to have them plant things in the
same fashion.

Inspecting their lands around their home, I knew I could do a lot of
things with the kind of soil that my relatives have. I bought them
seeds of all kinds of vegetable and gardening flower and asking them
to grow them.  Many month later, I went back to check to see if they
had grown them. They told me that there was not much rain to grow
anything. I told them that I had dug nice wells for them to use the
water for such purposes. They told me that it was too hard to water
the plants with well water.  Meanwhile, they rather asked for more
money to go shopping for things that they could grow themselves and
had the nerve to complain that those things have gotten more
expensive.

On the other hand, most Vietnamese and Chinese are working real hard
for their money. They work hard from collecting cans, fishing, growing
fruits and vegetables, selling all kinds of products and they don’t
expect any handouts. They would risk their life to come into Cambodia
for such an opportunity to work the land. Many of these individuals,
except the newcomers, were in the same Pol Pot regime and yet they
have managed to rise from poverty quicker than most Cambodians.

We need to change their mentality from being sluggish to energetic and
stop depending on others to feed them forever. In this competitive
world we cannot have both free time and money at the same time unless
you were born with a silver spoon in your mouth.  Cambodians can
become self-sufficient like any other people in the world, but they
must work.  Maybe it’s time for the world, country of donors and
politicians to stop “giving them fish, but teach them how to fish”…
and let them fish or be starved. Somehow I feel that many of them are
being spoiled!

If you don’t work, you don’t eat!

Thanks KC

===
On May 18, 2:20 pm, kourk_chh...@yahoo.com wrote:
> Bro Tim and all,
> Bang Sothon, I can't agree more. I've never been in Cambodia for 30 years, 
> but keep hearing the same thing from different people returned from visiting 
> relatives in Cambodia that their relatives there today are so lazy ( Sorry I 
> said what they told me ), everything they have to buy from the market 
> even vegies such as mint, peppers, lemon grass etc , for most of us here even 
> we don't own a house we still be able to grow them in container or 
> planter ...don't know why they are so spoiled?
>  
> KC
> Khoar Chev ( Made in Cambodia )
>
> --- On Mon, 5/18/09, TSC  wrote:
>
> From: TSC 
> Subject: Re: My Cambodian foster daughter
> To: "Cambodia Discussion (CAMDISC) -www.cambodia.org" 
> 
> Date: Monday, May 18, 2009, 10:44 AM
>
> Hi Lenny,
>
> Thanks for your reply.
>
> Working doesn't mean that one must be employed. I have been to Kralanh
> and Samrong and I know that the people are destitute, there. But, many
> people have so much free time that they can turn your contributions
> into gold with a little effort, if they want to.
>
> However, many people chose to sit around and do nothing, not even
> planting some household vegetables to feed the family. They would
> rather go to the market to buy things that they can produce themselves
> with little effort. Some don't even clean their home, backyard and or
> front yard and they rather sit around with garbage all over the place.
> Many would rather spend time playing card and singing Karaoke in the
> nearby shop. That is what I call abuse.
>
> I used to do the same thing like you do by funding monthly money to
> support my siblings, nieces and nephews; but much of the funds had
> been gone with the wind.  I stopped! Realizing that they had no choice
> but to work for the money, then everyone started to work harder and
> now they are self-reliant and I will only help them when they can
> prove that they want to help themselves first.
> Here is a link of some picture of a road to Samrong
>
> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=I-639wS4f6k
>
> Have a great day.
>
> ==
>
> On May 18, 12:53 am, Len Graceffo  wrote:> Dear 
> TSC,
> >  Thank you for your feedback. I needed to hear that. I'm so ashamed of 
> > Canada for being a puppet of the U.S. and sitting back while the U.S. 
> > bombed the shit out of Cambodia. We're  responsible for the KR's atrocities 
> > by allowing them to stay in power as long as we did. My hope was that maybe 
> > not the parents but the children would recognize the spiritual principle of 
> > generousity and incorporate that into their lives as they grow older. 
> > Planting a small seed might bear fruit down the road

Re: My Cambodian foster daughter

[Bopha Angkor]

Lenn,

 

I’m so impressed by your generosity and compassion for these people and thank 
you. Majority of Khmer oversea always support to their family in Cambodia in 
one way or other. My family often sent thousands of dollars to support family, 
friends or anonym people through personal initiation, organizations or 
associations, often to support a project, rarely a personnel needs. But our 
efforts seem to be so derisory comparing to the needs of these people as if we 
put a pinch of salt in the big river of needs believing it will salt the entire 
river. Everything in Cambodia are as much expensive comparing to what they earn 
per month to offer these people a dignity living even they have a nice job 
except for few spoiled people that sleep over soiled dollars. Majority of 
people working so hard from morning to night, sometime at their risk of their 
life but still cant have enough to feed their mouth and those of their family. 
Everyone have to do anything as they can just to feed their stomach including 
doing something which lead to lose their dignity as human. Most of all, you can 
do nothing with empty hands. Government did nothing to support project or 
living of people beside repression over them as robbing international aides 
then redistribution a small part of it in form of derisory welfare objects like 
sac of rice, pieces of cloth just to make them look more miserable and to make 
propaganda for their regime and party. They have to live in a sort of unfair 
atmosphere which leads them to lose all dignity as human. Poverty alone cant 
explain these odd things happened among Cambodians but influence and culture of 
those who dominate and decide their life. So your adopted daughter as well her 
family doesn’t only need your money alone but mostly your helps and 
intelligence get over that kind of life to  live free and in dignity and to 
live free and in dignity they must first earn their liberty and rights. Liberty 
of thinking, liberty of access to universal knowledge and liberty of decide of 
their destiny which they don’t have actually. And these things can not be 
earned without fighting.  International community must stop to supply and 
support this kind of government, not only in Cambodia as they always did 
because this kind of government has no regard to people life and dignity if 
not, they will not have less crime in hands than those criminals at all.

 

Regards


==

On May 18, 12:53 am, Len Graceffo  wrote:
> Dear TSC,
>  Thank you for your feedback. I needed to hear that. I'm so ashamed 
of Canada for being a puppet of the U.S. and sitting back while the U.S. bombed 
the shit out of Cambodia. We're  responsible for the KR's atrocities by 
allowing them to stay in power as long as we did. My hope was that maybe not 
the parents but the children would recognize the spiritual principle of 
generousity and incorporate that into their lives as they grow older. Planting 
a small seed might bear fruit down the road.  Among people 40 and over trust 
seems to be an issue amongst themselves. When I started this 2 years ago I told 
the family I would do this until Srey Mach was 18. I've also told Srey Mach 
that I will send her to University with room and board if she wants/qualifies. 
Just her.  I'm aware that if she chooses this I will have to put controls in 
place. You're absolutely right about the values of hard work but are there any 
jobs in the rual villages besides sporadic farming? Many people seem to be 
unemployed. Aside from the bustling markets and the older people who seem to be 
busy its the 18-25 year olds who seem to have a lot of time on their hands. 
Maybe I am doing more harm than good. I work a minimum of 60 hour weeks in the 
oilsands of Alberta, Canada. I know the value of a dollar. Thanx again. 
Regards, Lenny G
>
>
> > Date: Sun, 17 May 2009 08:35:00 -0700
    > > Subject: Re: My Cambodian foster daughter
> > From: timothych...@aol.com
> > To: camdisc@googlegroups.com
>
> > Hi Lenny,
>
> > You are caught in the never-ending support to these people. $100.00 
a
> > month falling from the sky is very helpful for any family, 
regardless
> > of its size. Many people are breaking their back for $50.00 (of some
> > 60 hours/week hard-laboring work) in a factory.
>
> > While I appreciate your good intention, I think you do more harm 
than
> > help by not teaching these people the values of hard work. I doubt
> > that you can get this $100.00 from a Canadian tree; you work for it,
> > don’t you?
>
> > Cambodian society now is a society dominated by “beggars” where many
> > people expect special handouts from people like y

Re: My Cambodian foster daughter

[PuppyXpress]

Dear Lenny G


To response to your request, I want to acknowledge your accomplishment in
life.
 I believe...You have done so much to help yourself, your family and reach
out to your friends when they needed your assistance.

Being a good role model, we have lead our lives into the right direction.
We gave love and we received love from our partner. The products of our love
have given
us beautiful children. When our kids were born, we as parents nurture them
with love,
took care of them, gave them shelter, and trained them to be productive
human beings.

We love our children unconditionally, but we need to educate them to be
independent
responsible adults.

*The same is said, when we become a sponsor for a family, we
as individuals can only do so much to help others. And, I feel over all you
have done a great job.
*
Love and Respect,

D.T.

*Note*:

I have learned from my ~30 experience as a married man and father of 27
years old son.


On Fri, May 15, 2009 at 10:52 PM, Len Graceffo wrote:

> I forgot to mention that I just gave them $400.00 cash to cover the 4
> months I'm in Asia. Surely that would be enough to buy seed to make
> rice,expand/rent more farmland? I don't like NGO's that will use my momey to
> stay in $ 300.00U.S. hotels which is why I decided to deal with the family
> directly. Thanx again for letting me vent. I feel better. Regards Lenny G
>
> --
> From: rosedalepa...@hotmail.com
> To: camdisc@googlegroups.com
> Subject: My Cambodian foster daughter
> Date: Sat, 16 May 2009 00:44:39 -0500
>
> Hello Everybody!!! I really need some advice. Please read the following
> correspondences with my friend Shelly in Canada. I've been told by
> foreigners living in Cambodia that the poor can't go to bed with money in
> their pocket as they're programmed to a "day to day" survival mentality. I'm
> a Canadian who has been giving $100.00 U.S./month for the last 2 years to a
> family of 7 (5 kids). That's about $157.00 CDN with the exchange and western
> union fees that they don't seem to understand. The mother can't read I found
> out as I was pointing to the months written in Khmer in my translation book
> and she didn't understand. But she knows her numbers !!! The attractive,
> intelligent 17 year old girl "Mach" lives in Krawlann,Siem Reap behind the
> market in a shack off of National Rd #6 at the intersection of the road that
> goes north to O'Smach. My recent trip a month ago revealed that food prices
> are a lot higher than Thailand's. Why? A skinny whole chicken cost 150 baht
> !!! I've been told that university educated people don't earn $100.00/month
> U.S. I don't want her ending up in prostitution as she's the eldest
> daughter. They keep asking for more money and its making me angry. Can't
> they just accept $100.00 U.S and be grateful?  This time it's to "make rice"
> up at the family farm in Samrong. I told the parents that they can do
> whatever they want with the money as long as Mach is in English school for
> the half day I believe and the other half in Khmer.  I've just told her a
> few days ago I want her needs met and to tell her mother that $50.00/month
> is for Mach and the other 50 is for the family. I give $100.00U.S./month to
> cover any lost wages since Mach is supposed to be studying. I really like
> her Dad Pin. He's a driver/farmer apparently and seems to work the
> Krawlann/Samrong/Anlong Veng triangle. With all those kids is it possible to
> save money out of that $100.00U.S. I'm lost. I feel like cutting them off or
> reducing it to $50.00/month Please advise, Lenny G
>
> --
> From: rosedalepa...@hotmail.com
> To: rosedalepa...@hotmail.com
> Subject: FW: clip
> Date: Fri, 15 May 2009 23:48:34 -0500
>
>
>
> --
> Date: Thu, 14 May 2009 10:02:14 -0600
> Subject: Re: clip
> From: slstewar...@gmail.com
> To: rosedalepa...@hotmail.com
>
> Hi Sweetie,
> I am so sorry how things have gone side ways with Mach and her family.  You
> are quite right when you say how sad for them.  However, they will learn the
> age old lesson of, you don't know what you've got til its gone!  I am glad
> you have made peace with your self.  Len, you are a very loving and
> generous man who just wants to make a difference.  Please don't let this
> change that wonderful quality that so few people possess.  In saying that I
> know you will move on and learn from it.  Lots of Love Shelley
>
> PS. Do You have an idea when you will be home?
>
> On Thu, May 14, 2009 at 12:09 AM, Len Graceffo 
> wrote:
>
>  I've really sorted things out in my soul. My Cambo daughter keeps asking
> for more money as I hear her ungrateful mother in the background coach her.
> To the mothers credit she did offer to send me back the $600.00 I sent her
> "sick" son about 6 months ago. She didn't know that her son pressured Mach
> into lying to me. I knew the 18 yr old son Gia just wanted a cell phone and
> money He used his younger sister to ask

Re: My Cambodian foster daughter

[kourk_chheng]

Bro Tim and all,
Bang Sothon, I can't agree more. I've never been in Cambodia for 30 years, 
but keep hearing the same thing from different people returned from visiting 
relatives in Cambodia that their relatives there today are so lazy ( Sorry I 
said what they told me ), everything they have to buy from the market 
even vegies such as mint, peppers, lemon grass etc , for most of us here even 
we don't own a house we still be able to grow them in container or 
planter ...don't know why they are so spoiled?
 
KC
Khoar Chev ( Made in Cambodia )

--- On Mon, 5/18/09, TSC  wrote:


From: TSC 
Subject: Re: My Cambodian foster daughter
To: "Cambodia Discussion (CAMDISC) - www.cambodia.org" 

Date: Monday, May 18, 2009, 10:44 AM



Hi Lenny,

Thanks for your reply.

Working doesn't mean that one must be employed. I have been to Kralanh
and Samrong and I know that the people are destitute, there. But, many
people have so much free time that they can turn your contributions
into gold with a little effort, if they want to.

However, many people chose to sit around and do nothing, not even
planting some household vegetables to feed the family. They would
rather go to the market to buy things that they can produce themselves
with little effort. Some don't even clean their home, backyard and or
front yard and they rather sit around with garbage all over the place.
Many would rather spend time playing card and singing Karaoke in the
nearby shop. That is what I call abuse.

I used to do the same thing like you do by funding monthly money to
support my siblings, nieces and nephews; but much of the funds had
been gone with the wind.  I stopped! Realizing that they had no choice
but to work for the money, then everyone started to work harder and
now they are self-reliant and I will only help them when they can
prove that they want to help themselves first.
Here is a link of some picture of a road to Samrong

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=I-639wS4f6k

Have a great day.

==

On May 18, 12:53 am, Len Graceffo  wrote:
> Dear TSC,
>  Thank you for your feedback. I needed to hear that. I'm so ashamed of Canada 
> for being a puppet of the U.S. and sitting back while the U.S. bombed the 
> shit out of Cambodia. We're  responsible for the KR's atrocities by allowing 
> them to stay in power as long as we did. My hope was that maybe not the 
> parents but the children would recognize the spiritual principle of 
> generousity and incorporate that into their lives as they grow older. 
> Planting a small seed might bear fruit down the road.  Among people 40 and 
> over trust seems to be an issue amongst themselves. When I started this 2 
> years ago I told the family I would do this until Srey Mach was 18. I've also 
> told Srey Mach that I will send her to University with room and board if she 
> wants/qualifies. Just her.  I'm aware that if she chooses this I will have to 
> put controls in place. You're absolutely right about the values of hard work 
> but are there any jobs in the rual villages besides sporadic
 farming? Many people seem to be unemployed. Aside from the bustling markets 
and the older people who seem to be busy its the 18-25 year olds who seem to 
have a lot of time on their hands. Maybe I am doing more harm than good. I work 
a minimum of 60 hour weeks in the oilsands of Alberta, Canada. I know the value 
of a dollar. Thanx again. Regards, Lenny G
>
>
>
>
>
> > Date: Sun, 17 May 2009 08:35:00 -0700
> > Subject: Re: My Cambodian foster daughter
> > From: timothych...@aol.com
> > To: camdisc@googlegroups.com
>
> > Hi Lenny,
>
> > You are caught in the never-ending support to these people. $100.00 a
> > month falling from the sky is very helpful for any family, regardless
> > of its size. Many people are breaking their back for $50.00 (of some
> > 60 hours/week hard-laboring work) in a factory.
>
> > While I appreciate your good intention, I think you do more harm than
> > help by not teaching these people the values of hard work. I doubt
> > that you can get this $100.00 from a Canadian tree; you work for it,
> > don’t you?
>
> > Cambodian society now is a society dominated by “beggars” where many
> > people expect special handouts from people like you and others who are
> > heartbroken from seeing their poverty and injustices in Cambodia.
> > They love you to death when you feed them freely, but at the moment
> > that you stop helping them or putting any conditions on them, it’s
> > almost certain that you will become their foe overnight. If this will
> > happen, please don’t be disappointed. Just think that it was an
> > unconditional love that you have for them. Such thought may set you
> > free, but that is what they are ban

Re: My Cambodian foster daughter

[TSC]

Hi Lenny,

Thanks for your reply.

Working doesn't mean that one must be employed. I have been to Kralanh
and Samrong and I know that the people are destitute, there. But, many
people have so much free time that they can turn your contributions
into gold with a little effort, if they want to.

However, many people chose to sit around and do nothing, not even
planting some household vegetables to feed the family. They would
rather go to the market to buy things that they can produce themselves
with little effort. Some don't even clean their home, backyard and or
front yard and they rather sit around with garbage all over the place.
Many would rather spend time playing card and singing Karaoke in the
nearby shop. That is what I call abuse.

I used to do the same thing like you do by funding monthly money to
support my siblings, nieces and nephews; but much of the funds had
been gone with the wind.  I stopped! Realizing that they had no choice
but to work for the money, then everyone started to work harder and
now they are self-reliant and I will only help them when they can
prove that they want to help themselves first.
Here is a link of some picture of a road to Samrong

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=I-639wS4f6k

Have a great day.

==

On May 18, 12:53 am, Len Graceffo  wrote:
> Dear TSC,
>  Thank you for your feedback. I needed to hear that. I'm so ashamed of Canada 
> for being a puppet of the U.S. and sitting back while the U.S. bombed the 
> shit out of Cambodia. We're  responsible for the KR's atrocities by allowing 
> them to stay in power as long as we did. My hope was that maybe not the 
> parents but the children would recognize the spiritual principle of 
> generousity and incorporate that into their lives as they grow older. 
> Planting a small seed might bear fruit down the road.  Among people 40 and 
> over trust seems to be an issue amongst themselves. When I started this 2 
> years ago I told the family I would do this until Srey Mach was 18. I've also 
> told Srey Mach that I will send her to University with room and board if she 
> wants/qualifies. Just her.  I'm aware that if she chooses this I will have to 
> put controls in place. You're absolutely right about the values of hard work 
> but are there any jobs in the rual villages besides sporadic farming? Many 
> people seem to be unemployed. Aside from the bustling markets and the older 
> people who seem to be busy its the 18-25 year olds who seem to have a lot of 
> time on their hands. Maybe I am doing more harm than good. I work a minimum 
> of 60 hour weeks in the oilsands of Alberta, Canada. I know the value of a 
> dollar. Thanx again. Regards, Lenny G
>
>
>
>
>
> > Date: Sun, 17 May 2009 08:35:00 -0700
> > Subject: Re: My Cambodian foster daughter
> > From: timothych...@aol.com
> > To: camdisc@googlegroups.com
>
> > Hi Lenny,
>
> > You are caught in the never-ending support to these people. $100.00 a
> > month falling from the sky is very helpful for any family, regardless
> > of its size. Many people are breaking their back for $50.00 (of some
> > 60 hours/week hard-laboring work) in a factory.
>
> > While I appreciate your good intention, I think you do more harm than
> > help by not teaching these people the values of hard work. I doubt
> > that you can get this $100.00 from a Canadian tree; you work for it,
> > don’t you?
>
> > Cambodian society now is a society dominated by “beggars” where many
> > people expect special handouts from people like you and others who are
> > heartbroken from seeing their poverty and injustices in Cambodia.
> > They love you to death when you feed them freely, but at the moment
> > that you stop helping them or putting any conditions on them, it’s
> > almost certain that you will become their foe overnight. If this will
> > happen, please don’t be disappointed. Just think that it was an
> > unconditional love that you have for them. Such thought may set you
> > free, but that is what they are banking on. 100 years from now, these
> > people will still begging for free contributions.
>
> > There are so many tricks and lies (I have no ideas where they learned
> > them from) to break your heart. Some use sickness, diseases and
> > family’s problems to beg; some use social or political injustices to
> > request your assistance; others just create their personal lies. It
> > happens throughout the country and in all institutions. It is a cancer
> > in Cambodian modern society. Government is looking for handouts;
> > politicians are also looking for handouts and NGOs, too, are looking
> > for handouts; and much of contributions have been abused. When is it
> > going to end

Re: My Cambodian foster daughter

[starplatinum]

Dear Len,

According to the law of increase, when you give, it should be a
pleasure to give and for a right cause. If you are sincere, meaning to
give without a string attach, what
you gave out will return to you in multiply at a right place and time,
not necessarily in term of money, but other things, sometime even
money can not buy such as
health, happiness and longer life.

However, you are being deceived to give which you do not like when
found out as the money is to be misused by a receiver or deceiver then
it is like sowing a seed on
a pavement road or in a desert, in this case it’s would  be fruitless
for anyone.

Many government official workers get about $300 per month, but most
drive Lexus SUV. They do not recognize any spiritual principle of
generosity from their donors.
If they do they would have share some of the donors’ aid with their
own people, but they don’t.

It's a blessing to give than to receive. Many countries including you
are handling out aid to Cambodia and other poor third world countries
and fulfill the law of
increase. If Cambodia and its government are only interested in
getting the handouts and never give anything back to less fortune
countries than itself especially when
in a bad disaster like earthquakes, cyclones, floods and wars then
Cambodia will always remain poor for a very long time.

You have good intention for your foster daughter. If she prepares to
lie because someone else tells her to lie, she is partly responsible
for that act and not totally
innocent.

You have the good intentions and hope it will bear some fruits some
days.





On May 18, 2:53 pm, Len Graceffo  wrote:
> Dear TSC,
>  Thank you for your feedback. I needed to hear that. I'm so ashamed of Canada 
> for being a puppet of the U.S. and sitting back while the U.S. bombed the 
> shit out of Cambodia. We're  responsible for the KR's atrocities by allowing 
> them to stay in power as long as we did. My hope was that maybe not the 
> parents but the children would recognize the spiritual principle of 
> generousity and incorporate that into their lives as they grow older. 
> Planting a small seed might bear fruit down the road.  Among people 40 and 
> over trust seems to be an issue amongst themselves. When I started this 2 
> years ago I told the family I would do this until Srey Mach was 18. I've also 
> told Srey Mach that I will send her to University with room and board if she 
> wants/qualifies. Just her.  I'm aware that if she chooses this I will have to 
> put controls in place. You're absolutely right about the values of hard work 
> but are there any jobs in the rual villages besides sporadic farming? Many 
> people seem to be unemployed. Aside from the bustling markets and the older 
> people who seem to be busy its the 18-25 year olds who seem to have a lot of 
> time on their hands. Maybe I am doing more harm than good. I work a minimum 
> of 60 hour weeks in the oilsands of Alberta, Canada. I know the value of a 
> dollar. Thanx again. Regards, Lenny G
>
>
>
> > Date: Sun, 17 May 2009 08:35:00 -0700
> > Subject: Re: My Cambodian foster daughter
> > From: timothych...@aol.com
> > To: camdisc@googlegroups.com
>
> > Hi Lenny,
>
> > You are caught in the never-ending support to these people. $100.00 a
> > month falling from the sky is very helpful for any family, regardless
> > of its size. Many people are breaking their back for $50.00 (of some
> > 60 hours/week hard-laboring work) in a factory.
>
> > While I appreciate your good intention, I think you do more harm than
> > help by not teaching these people the values of hard work. I doubt
> > that you can get this $100.00 from a Canadian tree; you work for it,
> > don’t you?
>
> > Cambodian society now is a society dominated by “beggars” where many
> > people expect special handouts from people like you and others who are
> > heartbroken from seeing their poverty and injustices in Cambodia.
> > They love you to death when you feed them freely, but at the moment
> > that you stop helping them or putting any conditions on them, it’s
> > almost certain that you will become their foe overnight. If this will
> > happen, please don’t be disappointed. Just think that it was an
> > unconditional love that you have for them. Such thought may set you
> > free, but that is what they are banking on. 100 years from now, these
> > people will still begging for free contributions.
>
> > There are so many tricks and lies (I have no ideas where they learned
> > them from) to break your heart. Some use sickness, diseases and
> > family’s problems to beg; some use social or political injustices to
> > request your assistance; others just create their personal lies. It
> > h

RE: My Cambodian foster daughter

[Len Graceffo]

Dear TSC,
 Thank you for your feedback. I needed to hear that. I'm so ashamed of Canada 
for being a puppet of the U.S. and sitting back while the U.S. bombed the shit 
out of Cambodia. We're  responsible for the KR's atrocities by allowing them to 
stay in power as long as we did. My hope was that maybe not the parents but the 
children would recognize the spiritual principle of generousity and incorporate 
that into their lives as they grow older. Planting a small seed might bear 
fruit down the road.  Among people 40 and over trust seems to be an issue 
amongst themselves. When I started this 2 years ago I told the family I would 
do this until Srey Mach was 18. I've also told Srey Mach that I will send her 
to University with room and board if she wants/qualifies. Just her.  I'm aware 
that if she chooses this I will have to put controls in place. You're 
absolutely right about the values of hard work but are there any jobs in the 
rual villages besides sporadic farming? Many people seem to be unemployed. 
Aside from the bustling markets and the older people who seem to be busy its 
the 18-25 year olds who seem to have a lot of time on their hands. Maybe I am 
doing more harm than good. I work a minimum of 60 hour weeks in the oilsands of 
Alberta, Canada. I know the value of a dollar. Thanx again. Regards, Lenny G
> Date: Sun, 17 May 2009 08:35:00 -0700
> Subject: Re: My Cambodian foster daughter
> From: timothych...@aol.com
> To: camdisc@googlegroups.com
> 
> 
> Hi Lenny,
> 
> You are caught in the never-ending support to these people. $100.00 a
> month falling from the sky is very helpful for any family, regardless
> of its size. Many people are breaking their back for $50.00 (of some
> 60 hours/week hard-laboring work) in a factory.
> 
> While I appreciate your good intention, I think you do more harm than
> help by not teaching these people the values of hard work. I doubt
> that you can get this $100.00 from a Canadian tree; you work for it,
> don’t you?
> 
> Cambodian society now is a society dominated by “beggars” where many
> people expect special handouts from people like you and others who are
> heartbroken from seeing their poverty and injustices in Cambodia.
> They love you to death when you feed them freely, but at the moment
> that you stop helping them or putting any conditions on them, it’s
> almost certain that you will become their foe overnight. If this will
> happen, please don’t be disappointed. Just think that it was an
> unconditional love that you have for them. Such thought may set you
> free, but that is what they are banking on. 100 years from now, these
> people will still begging for free contributions.
> 
> There are so many tricks and lies (I have no ideas where they learned
> them from) to break your heart. Some use sickness, diseases and
> family’s problems to beg; some use social or political injustices to
> request your assistance; others just create their personal lies. It
> happens throughout the country and in all institutions. It is a cancer
> in Cambodian modern society. Government is looking for handouts;
> politicians are also looking for handouts and NGOs, too, are looking
> for handouts; and much of contributions have been abused. When is it
> going to end?
> 
> One Cambodian lives near me here in New York was notified by his
> siblings in Cambodia that his mother had died two times on different
> dates. Before knowing that he was being deceived, the man had depleted
> his savings and cash from his credit card.
> 
> Yes, Cambodians need help, but they must work… and prove that they “do
> work.” The value of your free assistance is worth as much as free
> thing; it equal to nothing in the long run.
> 
> Move on, you have done enough.
> 
> 
> On May 16, 1:44 am, Len Graceffo  wrote:
> > Hello Everybody!!! I really need some advice. Please read the following 
> > correspondences with my friend Shelly in Canada. I've been told by 
> > foreigners living in Cambodia that the poor can't go to bed with money in 
> > their pocket as they're programmed to a "day to day" survival mentality. 
> > I'm a Canadian who has been giving $100.00 U.S./month for the last 2 years 
> > to a family of 7 (5 kids). That's about $157.00 CDN with the exchange and 
> > western union fees that they don't seem to understand. The mother can't 
> > read I found out as I was pointing to the months written in Khmer in my 
> > translation book and she didn't understand. But she knows her numbers !!! 
> > The attractive, intelligent 17 year old girl "Mach" lives in Krawlann,Siem 
> > Reap behind the market in a shack off of National Rd #6 at the intersection 
> > of 

Re: My Cambodian foster daughter

[TSC]

Hi Lenny,

You are caught in the never-ending support to these people. $100.00 a
month falling from the sky is very helpful for any family, regardless
of its size. Many people are breaking their back for $50.00 (of some
60 hours/week hard-laboring work) in a factory.

While I appreciate your good intention, I think you do more harm than
help by not teaching these people the values of hard work. I doubt
that you can get this $100.00 from a Canadian tree; you work for it,
don’t you?

Cambodian society now is a society dominated by “beggars” where many
people expect special handouts from people like you and others who are
heartbroken from seeing their poverty and injustices in Cambodia.
They love you to death when you feed them freely, but at the moment
that you stop helping them or putting any conditions on them, it’s
almost certain that you will become their foe overnight. If this will
happen, please don’t be disappointed. Just think that it was an
unconditional love that you have for them. Such thought may set you
free, but that is what they are banking on. 100 years from now, these
people will still begging for free contributions.

There are so many tricks and lies (I have no ideas where they learned
them from) to break your heart. Some use sickness, diseases and
family’s problems to beg; some use social or political injustices to
request your assistance; others just create their personal lies. It
happens throughout the country and in all institutions. It is a cancer
in Cambodian modern society. Government is looking for handouts;
politicians are also looking for handouts and NGOs, too, are looking
for handouts; and much of contributions have been abused. When is it
going to end?

One Cambodian lives near me here in New York was notified by his
siblings in Cambodia that his mother had died two times on different
dates. Before knowing that he was being deceived, the man had depleted
his savings and cash from his credit card.

Yes, Cambodians need help, but they must work… and prove that they “do
work.” The value of your free assistance is worth as much as free
thing; it equal to nothing in the long run.

Move on, you have done enough.


On May 16, 1:44 am, Len Graceffo  wrote:
> Hello Everybody!!! I really need some advice. Please read the following 
> correspondences with my friend Shelly in Canada. I've been told by foreigners 
> living in Cambodia that the poor can't go to bed with money in their pocket 
> as they're programmed to a "day to day" survival mentality. I'm a Canadian 
> who has been giving $100.00 U.S./month for the last 2 years to a family of 7 
> (5 kids). That's about $157.00 CDN with the exchange and western union fees 
> that they don't seem to understand. The mother can't read I found out as I 
> was pointing to the months written in Khmer in my translation book and she 
> didn't understand. But she knows her numbers !!! The attractive, intelligent 
> 17 year old girl "Mach" lives in Krawlann,Siem Reap behind the market in a 
> shack off of National Rd #6 at the intersection of the road that goes north 
> to O'Smach. My recent trip a month ago revealed that food prices are a lot 
> higher than Thailand's. Why? A skinny whole chicken cost 150 baht !!! I've 
> been told that university educated people don't earn $100.00/month U.S. I 
> don't want her ending up in prostitution as she's the eldest daughter. They 
> keep asking for more money and its making me angry. Can't they just accept 
> $100.00 U.S and be grateful?  This time it's to "make rice" up at the family 
> farm in Samrong. I told the parents that they can do whatever they want with 
> the money as long as Mach is in English school for the half day I believe and 
> the other half in Khmer.  I've just told her a few days ago I want her needs 
> met and to tell her mother that $50.00/month is for Mach and the other 50 is 
> for the family. I give $100.00U.S./month to cover any lost wages since Mach 
> is supposed to be studying. I really like her Dad Pin. He's a driver/farmer 
> apparently and seems to work the Krawlann/Samrong/Anlong Veng triangle. With 
> all those kids is it possible to save money out of that $100.00U.S. I'm lost. 
> I feel like cutting them off or reducing it to $50.00/month Please advise, 
> Lenny G
>
> From: rosedalepa...@hotmail.com
> To: rosedalepa...@hotmail.com
> Subject: FW: clip
> Date: Fri, 15 May 2009 23:48:34 -0500
>
> Date: Thu, 14 May 2009 10:02:14 -0600
> Subject: Re: clip
> From: slstewar...@gmail.com
> To: rosedalepa...@hotmail.com
>
> Hi Sweetie,
> I am so sorry how things have gone side ways with Mach and her family.  You 
> are quite right when you say how sad for them.  However, they will learn the 
> age old lesson of, you don't know what you've got til its gone!  I am glad 
> you have made peace with your self.  Len, you are a very loving and generous 
> man who just wants to make a difference.  Please don't let this change that 
> wonderful quality that so few people poss

RE: My Cambodian foster daughter ( in Cambodia occupied by Vietnam)

[Bury Chau]

 I APPRECIATE YOUR GOOD DEED WHILE CAMBODIA REMAINS OCCUPIED BY VIETNAM IN 
VIOLATION OF THE 10 UN RESOLUTIONS ( CALLING VIETNAM TO CEASE HER OCCUPATION OF 
CAMBODIA ,NOT RESPECTED FROM 1979-2009 )

 

��

UN Passes Strong Resolution on Cambodia Human Rights Abuses 

Feb. 27, 1982 : UN Commission on Human Rights meeting in Geneva adopted a 
resolution condemning Vietnam��s occupation of Cambodia as a violation of 
Cambodian human rights. The vote was 28 in favor, 8 against, and 5 abstentions.

��

Oct. 21, 1986 The UN General Assembly adopted a resolution A/RES/41/6, by vote 
of 116-21 with 13 abstentions, calling for a withdrawal of Vietnamese forces 
from Cambodia. 

��

Kaing Kek Iev, aka Duch, was arrested in 1999. According to the Morphology 
study on race and forensic data analysis ,Kaing Kek Iev, aka Duch is A 
VIETNAMESE.

��

100 TORTURE CENTERS across CAMBODIA. 


Vietnam's occupation of Cambodia 1979-1989 under Le Duc Tho rule. 

An estimated 460 000 innocent Cambodians died , killed , tortured, etc...

100 Torture centers were established across Cambodia. (Methods of torture 
described to Amnesty International).
Methods of torture described to Amnesty International as being used by the 
Vietnamese forces of invasion and occupation of Cambodia under Le Duc Tho's 
rule, from 1979-1989, through the CPP/HUN SEN regime.( an estimated 460 000 
innocent Cambodians died during that period) 

1. Beatings with truncheons, sharp-edged wooden staves, and iron bars and 
whippings 
with chains and rubber hoses.( Methods of torture described to Amnesty 
International) 

2. Near-suffocation with plastic bags,( Methods of torture described to Amnesty 
International) 

3. Near-drowning in vats of water,( Methods of torture described to Amnesty 
International(Methods of torture described to Amnesty International) (1)



Bury

(1) Amnesty International "Kampuchea political imprisonment & torture" book


 


From: rosedalepa...@hotmail.com
To: camdisc@googlegroups.com
Subject: My Cambodian foster daughter
Date: Sat, 16 May 2009 00:44:39 -0500



Hello Everybody!!! I really need some advice. Please read the following 
correspondences with my friend Shelly in Canada. I've been told by foreigners 
living in Cambodia that the poor can't go to bed with money in their pocket as 
they're programmed to a "day to day" survival mentality. I'm a Canadian who has 
been giving $100.00 U.S./month for the last 2 years to a family of 7 (5 kids). 
That's about $157.00 CDN with the exchange and western union fees that they 
don't seem to understand. The mother can't read I found out as I was pointing 
to the months written in Khmer in my translation book and she didn't 
understand. But she knows her numbers !!! The attractive, intelligent 17 year 
old girl "Mach" lives in Krawlann,Siem Reap behind the market in a shack off of 
National Rd #6 at the intersection of the road that goes north to O'Smach. My 
recent trip a month ago revealed that food prices are a lot higher than 
Thailand's. Why? A skinny whole chicken cost 150 baht !!! I've been told that 
university educated people don't earn $100.00/month U.S. I don't want her 
ending up in prostitution as she's the eldest daughter. They keep asking for 
more money and its making me angry. Can't they just accept $100.00 U.S and be 
grateful?  This time it's to "make rice" up at the family farm in Samrong. I 
told the parents that they can do whatever they want with the money as long as 
Mach is in English school for the half day I believe and the other half in 
Khmer.  I've just told her a few days ago I want her needs met and to tell her 
mother that $50.00/month is for Mach and the other 50 is for the family. I give 
$100.00U.S./month to cover any lost wages since Mach is supposed to be 
studying. I really like her Dad Pin. He's a driver/farmer apparently and seems 
to work the Krawlann/Samrong/Anlong Veng triangle. With all those kids is it 
possible to save money out of that $100.00U.S. I'm lost. I feel like cutting 
them off or reducing it to $50.00/month Please advise, Lenny G
 


From: rosedalepa...@hotmail.com
To: rosedalepa...@hotmail.com
Subject: FW: clip
Date: Fri, 15 May 2009 23:48:34 -0500




 


Date: Thu, 14 May 2009 10:02:14 -0600
Subject: Re: clip
From: slstewar...@gmail.com
To: rosedalepa...@hotmail.com


Hi Sweetie,
I am so sorry how things have gone side ways with Mach and her family.  You are 
quite right when you say how sad for them.  However, they will learn the age 
old lesson of, you don't know what you've got til its gone!  I am glad you have 
made peace with your self.  Len, you are a very loving and generous man who 
just wants to make a difference.  Please don't let this change that wonderful 
quality that so few people possess.  In saying that I know you will move on and 
learn from it.  Lots of Love Shelley
 
PS. Do You have an idea when you will be home? 


On Thu, May 14, 2009 at 12:09 AM, Len Graceffo  
wrote:


 I've really sorted things out 

RE: My Cambodian foster daughter

[Len Graceffo]

I forgot to mention that I just gave them $400.00 cash to cover the 4 months 
I'm in Asia. Surely that would be enough to buy seed to make rice,expand/rent 
more farmland? I don't like NGO's that will use my momey to stay in $ 
300.00U.S. hotels which is why I decided to deal with the family directly. 
Thanx again for letting me vent. I feel better. Regards Lenny G 
 


From: rosedalepa...@hotmail.com
To: camdisc@googlegroups.com
Subject: My Cambodian foster daughter
Date: Sat, 16 May 2009 00:44:39 -0500



Hello Everybody!!! I really need some advice. Please read the following 
correspondences with my friend Shelly in Canada. I've been told by foreigners 
living in Cambodia that the poor can't go to bed with money in their pocket as 
they're programmed to a "day to day" survival mentality. I'm a Canadian who has 
been giving $100.00 U.S./month for the last 2 years to a family of 7 (5 kids). 
That's about $157.00 CDN with the exchange and western union fees that they 
don't seem to understand. The mother can't read I found out as I was pointing 
to the months written in Khmer in my translation book and she didn't 
understand. But she knows her numbers !!! The attractive, intelligent 17 year 
old girl "Mach" lives in Krawlann,Siem Reap behind the market in a shack off of 
National Rd #6 at the intersection of the road that goes north to O'Smach. My 
recent trip a month ago revealed that food prices are a lot higher than 
Thailand's. Why? A skinny whole chicken cost 150 baht !!! I've been told that 
university educated people don't earn $100.00/month U.S. I don't want her 
ending up in prostitution as she's the eldest daughter. They keep asking for 
more money and its making me angry. Can't they just accept $100.00 U.S and be 
grateful?  This time it's to "make rice" up at the family farm in Samrong. I 
told the parents that they can do whatever they want with the money as long as 
Mach is in English school for the half day I believe and the other half in 
Khmer.  I've just told her a few days ago I want her needs met and to tell her 
mother that $50.00/month is for Mach and the other 50 is for the family. I give 
$100.00U.S./month to cover any lost wages since Mach is supposed to be 
studying. I really like her Dad Pin. He's a driver/farmer apparently and seems 
to work the Krawlann/Samrong/Anlong Veng triangle. With all those kids is it 
possible to save money out of that $100.00U.S. I'm lost. I feel like cutting 
them off or reducing it to $50.00/month Please advise, Lenny G
 


From: rosedalepa...@hotmail.com
To: rosedalepa...@hotmail.com
Subject: FW: clip
Date: Fri, 15 May 2009 23:48:34 -0500




 


Date: Thu, 14 May 2009 10:02:14 -0600
Subject: Re: clip
From: slstewar...@gmail.com
To: rosedalepa...@hotmail.com


Hi Sweetie,
I am so sorry how things have gone side ways with Mach and her family.  You are 
quite right when you say how sad for them.  However, they will learn the age 
old lesson of, you don't know what you've got til its gone!  I am glad you have 
made peace with your self.  Len, you are a very loving and generous man who 
just wants to make a difference.  Please don't let this change that wonderful 
quality that so few people possess.  In saying that I know you will move on and 
learn from it.  Lots of Love Shelley
 
PS. Do You have an idea when you will be home? 


On Thu, May 14, 2009 at 12:09 AM, Len Graceffo  
wrote:


 I've really sorted things out in my soul. My Cambo daughter keeps asking for 
more money as I hear her ungrateful mother in the background coach her. To the 
mothers credit she did offer to send me back the $600.00 I sent her "sick" son 
about 6 months ago. She didn't know that her son pressured Mach into lying to 
me. I knew the 18 yr old son Gia just wanted a cell phone and money He used his 
younger sister to ask me. I don't know if I told you that or not. I didn't care 
at the time because they're so poor and I didn't want Western Union getting any 
more of my money. I found out this trip that he was arrested by the police for 
geting in a fight with the village gangster whom he owed money and he gave them 
$ 500.00 and bought a cell phone. I took him aside that if he ever pulls that 
again I'm going to Phnom Phen to hire a hitman to kill him and the village 
gangster. I am obviously dealing with a child soldier/labour camp mentality 
that doesn't have the capacity for gratitude. How unfortunate for them as I'm 
cutting them off after June. The way they prey on the daughter to get them to 
do their bidding. What else can she do? I feel that I've made peace with my 
conscience and will now live life on life's terms and just concentrate on my 
own life as I can't help everybody. How sad for them. I will direct my money to 
the green gecko orphanage which I visited and seen the tangible results. Thanx 
for listening, Lenny
 


Date: Sun, 10 May 2009 21:24:07 -0600
Subject: Fwd: FW: clip
From: slstewar...@gmail.com
To: kswe...@telus.net; rosedalepa...@hotmail.com