Re: cfcompile alternative

[mike hanson]

Thanks for your input Steve. We are struggling with this because of the number 
of processes that are not closed properly.

What I am trying to acheive is effectively the command '%JAVACMD% -cp 
"%J2EEJAR%;%WEBINF%\lib\cfmx_bootstrap.jar;%WEBINF%\lib\cfx.jar" 
-Dcoldfusion.classPath=%CFUSION_HOME%/lib/updates,%CFUSION_HOME%/lib 
-Dcoldfusion.libPath=%CFUSION_HOME%/lib coldfusion.tools.CommandLineInvoker 
Compiler -webinf %WEBINF% -webroot %webroot% -cfroot %CFUSION_HOME% -d -srcdir 
%srcdir% -deploydir %deploydir%' without going through cfexecute.

I am not giving up just yet as I don't think that every time you request a new 
or changed page that the cf runtime opens a command shell to compile the page.

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Re: Fusebox 4 Slow?

[dave]

DAMN I AM NOTT

PEOPLE GET IT STRAIGHT!!!

I HAVE SAID I COULD CARE LESS ABOUT MILLISECONDS BUT WHEN ITS NOTICABLE TO THE 
FRICKIN NAKED EYE THEN ITS MORE THAN A FEW MILLISECONDS DIFFERENCE AND IT IS A 
PROBLEM.

When people have to wait and the competitors site is faster then they leave, it 
aint fricking rocket science.

 "If milliseconds are so important to the customer, you're
doing a disservice to them currently."
If you are charging then close the the same amount and making it easier on you 
and slower to the customers then thats a disservice to the client.

No wonder why i win almost everything i bid for, if you guys are explaining it 
to the client like that lol.

~Dave the disruptor~ 


From: "Zaphod Beeblebrox" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Sent: Tuesday, June 06, 2006 11:38 PM
To: CF-Talk 
Subject: Re: Fusebox 4 Slow? 

dave, you keep saying this, but then won't explain why you're coding
in CF. Afterall, it's not faster than asp.net according to several
benchmarks. If milliseconds are so important to the customer, you're
doing a disservice to them currently.

On 6/6/06, dave  wrote:
> " and the vast majority of applications are better served with easier
> development and maintenance than runtime performance. "
>
> Thus making it better for us but not the web site vistors, i just don't see 
> that as a good solution if it creates a noticable difference.
>
> ~Dave the disruptor~
>
>
>
>
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Re: Fusebox 4 Slow?

[Zaphod Beeblebrox]

dave, you keep saying this, but then won't explain why you're coding
in CF.  Afterall, it's not faster than asp.net according to several
benchmarks.  If milliseconds are so important to the customer, you're
doing a disservice to them currently.

On 6/6/06, dave <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> " and the vast majority of applications are better served with easier
> development and maintenance than runtime performance. "
>
> Thus making it better for us but not the web site vistors, i just don't see 
> that as a good solution if it creates a noticable difference.
>
> ~Dave the disruptor~
>
>
>
>
>
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Re: DW code wrap issue...

[dave]

:)

~Dave the disruptor~ 


From: Ken Ferguson <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Sent: Tuesday, June 06, 2006 11:00 PM
To: CF-Talk 
Subject: Re: DW code wrap issue... 

Now, THAT'S what I'm talkin' about! This DW thing is bordering on usable 
now, at least for the short term. Thanks a lot for that Dave.

--Ferg

dave wrote:
> k got it, open up a cfm page then go to VIEW > CODE VIEW OPTIONS and UNCHECK 
> word wrap and walla. 
>
> ~Dave the disruptor~ 
>
> 
> From: Ken Ferguson 
> Sent: Tuesday, June 06, 2006 9:45 PM
> To: CF-Talk 
> Subject: DW code wrap issue... 
>
> So I'm giving DW another shot on the Mac and I can't get the code 
> wrapping crap to turn off. Has anyone figured it out? No matter what I 
> do, it just wraps and wraps and wraps. I unchecked automatic wrapping, 
> but it wraps. I checked it and put 999 in the box for where it should 
> wrap, but still it wraps right there at the end of the visible space. 
> It's driving me insane and I'm this close to throwing my monitor 
> straight out the window just for showing me the wrap!
>
> --Ferg
>
>
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> 



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Re: DW code wrap issue...

[Ken Ferguson]

Now, THAT'S what I'm talkin' about! This DW thing is bordering on usable 
now, at least for the short term. Thanks a lot for that Dave.

--Ferg

dave wrote:
> k got it, open up a cfm page then go to VIEW > CODE VIEW OPTIONS and UNCHECK 
> word wrap and walla. 
>
> ~Dave the disruptor~ 
>
> 
> From: Ken Ferguson <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> Sent: Tuesday, June 06, 2006 9:45 PM
> To: CF-Talk 
> Subject: DW code wrap issue... 
>
> So I'm giving DW another shot on the Mac and I can't get the code 
> wrapping crap to turn off. Has anyone figured it out? No matter what I 
> do, it just wraps and wraps and wraps. I unchecked automatic wrapping, 
> but it wraps. I checked it and put 999 in the box for where it should 
> wrap, but still it wraps right there at the end of the visible space. 
> It's driving me insane and I'm this close to throwing my monitor 
> straight out the window just for showing me the wrap!
>
> --Ferg
>
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cfopen?

[Rick Root]

Anyone seen cfopen.org lately?  Looks like it's down again and I've 
gotten a bunch of emails from people unable to download CFFM.

Rick

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re: DW code wrap issue...

[dave]

k got it, open up a cfm page then go to VIEW > CODE VIEW OPTIONS and UNCHECK 
word wrap and walla. 

~Dave the disruptor~ 


From: Ken Ferguson <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
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To: CF-Talk 
Subject: DW code wrap issue... 

So I'm giving DW another shot on the Mac and I can't get the code 
wrapping crap to turn off. Has anyone figured it out? No matter what I 
do, it just wraps and wraps and wraps. I unchecked automatic wrapping, 
but it wraps. I checked it and put 999 in the box for where it should 
wrap, but still it wraps right there at the end of the visible space. 
It's driving me insane and I'm this close to throwing my monitor 
straight out the window just for showing me the wrap!

--Ferg



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re: DW code wrap issue...

[dave]

k got it, open up a cfm page then go to VIEW > CODE VIEW OPTIONS and UNCHECK 
word wrap and walla.

~Dave the disruptor~ 


From: dave <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Sent: Tuesday, June 06, 2006 10:26 PM
To: CF-Talk 
Subject: re: DW code wrap issue... 

I have same thing, im used to it i guess, didnt happen on my powerbook but does 
on my macbook pro

~Dave the disruptor~ 


From: Ken Ferguson 
Sent: Tuesday, June 06, 2006 9:45 PM
To: CF-Talk 
Subject: DW code wrap issue... 

So I'm giving DW another shot on the Mac and I can't get the code 
wrapping crap to turn off. Has anyone figured it out? No matter what I 
do, it just wraps and wraps and wraps. I unchecked automatic wrapping, 
but it wraps. I checked it and put 999 in the box for where it should 
wrap, but still it wraps right there at the end of the visible space. 
It's driving me insane and I'm this close to throwing my monitor 
straight out the window just for showing me the wrap!

--Ferg



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re: DW code wrap issue...

[dave]

I have same thing, im used to it i guess, didnt happen on my powerbook but does 
on my macbook pro

~Dave the disruptor~ 


From: Ken Ferguson <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Sent: Tuesday, June 06, 2006 9:45 PM
To: CF-Talk 
Subject: DW code wrap issue... 

So I'm giving DW another shot on the Mac and I can't get the code 
wrapping crap to turn off. Has anyone figured it out? No matter what I 
do, it just wraps and wraps and wraps. I unchecked automatic wrapping, 
but it wraps. I checked it and put 999 in the box for where it should 
wrap, but still it wraps right there at the end of the visible space. 
It's driving me insane and I'm this close to throwing my monitor 
straight out the window just for showing me the wrap!

--Ferg



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Re: soEditor

[dave]

will might be the only one who could use it tho, well come to think of it there 
is another

~Dave the disruptor~ 


From: "James Holmes" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Sent: Tuesday, June 06, 2006 10:05 PM
To: CF-Talk 
Subject: Re: soEditor 

I particularly liked the suggestion a while ago to rename TinyMCE to
TinyPNS to make it more in line with FCK.

On 6/7/06, Will Tomlinson  wrote:
> Isn't this the part where we start makin' fun of the names?

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Re: Large cfserver.log file a performance issue?

[James Holmes]

ROFL, that should be MEMORY utilisation, of course :-P

On 6/7/06, James Holmes <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
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>
> I had the admins increase the max memory to 1024MB instead of 512 (the
> box has something like 8GB of physical memory so this is hardly an
> issue, and it's Solaris so there should be no problem if we have to go
> higher).
>
> On 6/5/06, James Holmes <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> > Lately our production server has been throwing null null errors on
> > line -1 and requests have been timing out. TOP shows that the CF
> > process is taking up a lot of CPU when this happens.
> >
> > I poked around and found that the cfserver.log file is huge (over
> > 150MB). Is this a likely contributor to these problems or should I
> > have the admins look elsewhere? I couldn't actually find the errors
> > mentioned above anywhere in the logs.
> >
> > It's CF 6.1 Ent on Sun/Solaris.
> >
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Re: Large cfserver.log file a performance issue?

[James Holmes]

The source of the NPEs was mamory utilisation. The JVM was maxed out
and (no doubt) having to do garbage colleciton just to run templates.

I had the admins increase the max memory to 1024MB instead of 512 (the
box has something like 8GB of physical memory so this is hardly an
issue, and it's Solaris so there should be no problem if we have to go
higher).

On 6/5/06, James Holmes <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> Lately our production server has been throwing null null errors on
> line -1 and requests have been timing out. TOP shows that the CF
> process is taking up a lot of CPU when this happens.
>
> I poked around and found that the cfserver.log file is huge (over
> 150MB). Is this a likely contributor to these problems or should I
> have the admins look elsewhere? I couldn't actually find the errors
> mentioned above anywhere in the logs.
>
> It's CF 6.1 Ent on Sun/Solaris.
>
> --
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> http://jr-holmes.coldfusionjournal.com/
>


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Re: soEditor

[James Holmes]

I particularly liked the suggestion a while ago to rename TinyMCE to
TinyPNS to make it more in line with FCK.

On 6/7/06, Will Tomlinson <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
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RE: Fusebox 4 Slow?

[mark]

May as well.

-Original Message-
From: Claude Schneegans [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
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 >>before this degenerates further into what every other fusebox thread
ultimately degenerates into...

Right,... Let's get back to CF Studio ;-)

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DW code wrap issue...

[Ken Ferguson]

So I'm giving DW another shot on the Mac and I can't get the code 
wrapping crap to turn off. Has anyone figured it out? No matter what I 
do, it just wraps and wraps and wraps. I unchecked automatic wrapping, 
but it wraps. I checked it and put 999 in the box for where it should 
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--Ferg



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Re: Fusebox 4 Slow?

[Claude Schneegans]

 >>before this degenerates further into what every other fusebox thread
ultimately degenerates into...

Right,... Let's get back to CF Studio ;-)

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Re: Fusebox 4 Slow?

[Claude Schneegans]

 >>It really bothers me that most
framework fans profess that because a framework makes code easier to
maintain, non-framework code is not easy to maintain.

Exactly.
It is just like "OOP helps reusing code".
If you're not able to reuse code without OOP, you're not competent enough to
bother with OOP anyway and you better stick to fundamentals for a while.

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Re: Fusebox 4 Slow?

[Claude Schneegans]

 >>Yes, assuming two other statements are true:
 1. the designer/developer is competent in general.

Actually, this is exactly where the contradiction is:
"Competent" in developement is practically synonimous to "Having one's 
own framework"
(If you really insist on calling it a "farmework") Then, obviously, one 
doesn't need some people
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Re: Best Multipart File Upload Tool? Recommend ation Needed

[David Strong]

http://www.jupload.biz

Excellent documentation and support in the forums.

The author doesn't really have much time these days to implement a whole bunch 
of updates but he states the project isn't dead. I've been using it for 2 
years. Commercial use pricing is very fair.

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Re: CF, Ajax and shared hosting.

[David Strong]

If your using AjaxCFC by rob gonda, you need cfadmin access only if you need to 
configure and use socket gateways for realtime socket driven data updates.

He's doing some wonderful things with sockets.

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Re: RSS Weather Feed

[Tony]

have you tried the NOAACFC done by mr. jonathan block?

hmmm, looking @ ur email address, looks like you probably want
something for down under... nevermind.

:) tony

On 6/6/06, Mark Henderson <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> Does anyone have any recommendations they can put forward regarding a
> reliable RSS weather feed? I've looked at weather.yahoo.com,
> weather.com, and rssweather.com, and at this stage it looks like I'll
> probably be going with yahoo - http://developer.yahoo.com/weather/.
> Given this will be on a cf5 server it looks like I'm going to have to
> write something to parse the feed myself, unless there are further
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> Mark
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Re: soEditor

[David Strong]

I second the motion for FCK Editor. Lots of functions and with the new 2.3 beta 
release loads relatively fast for what its loading. Open source and most 
importantly an ongoing active project with constant updates for performance and 
security.


Wouldn't you rather be FCK'ing?

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RSS Weather Feed

[Mark Henderson]

Does anyone have any recommendations they can put forward regarding a
reliable RSS weather feed? I've looked at weather.yahoo.com,
weather.com, and rssweather.com, and at this stage it looks like I'll
probably be going with yahoo - http://developer.yahoo.com/weather/.
Given this will be on a cf5 server it looks like I'm going to have to
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recommendations relating to this also (remember cf5 here, although the
solution doesn't have to be in cfm).

 

TIA

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RE: Suppressing white space - ekstra text inserted to templates after enabling trimfilted

[WebSite CFtalk]

Hello,

After adding the trimfilter to a server we've experienced som strange
things.
(http://www.servletsuite.com/servlets/trimflt.htm)

To all templates that have been run by cf some text is added to the end
of the file, example:

23:02:20:23PM 12/19/20056:Normal 

And

done23:01:09:08PM 10/25/20026:Norm

Is this a coincidense - or is it happening on your servers also?
(You should chedk if you have enabled the filter lately..)

Running CFMX6.1 on Windows 2003 with 2 clusteded jrun instances.

Helge Hetland
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Re: soEditor

[Will Tomlinson]

Isn't this the part where we start makin' fun of the names?

Will

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Re: soEditor

[James Holmes]

You could also consider TinyMCE.

http://tinymce.moxiecode.com/

or any of the other editors that are mentioned in the 135238 threads
on this issue in the archives.

On 6/7/06, Alan Rother <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> http://www.fckeditor.net/
>
>
> It's all you will ever need. It's open source and well documented for
> virtually every language you could want to use it in. Also, the soEditor
> hasn't been updated in like 3 years. It's basically dead.

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Re: Fusebox 4 Slow?

[dave]

" and the vast majority of applications are better served with easier
development and maintenance than runtime performance. "

Thus making it better for us but not the web site vistors, i just don't see 
that as a good solution if it creates a noticable difference.

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Re: CF, Ajax and shared hosting.

[James Holmes]

I did this because the docs weren't being actively developed :-)

On 6/7/06, Bryan Stevenson <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> > James isn't the developer of CFAJAX, Arjun Kalura is.  I suppose he's
> > the only one who could definitively say that CFAjax isn't being actively
> > developed, but the latest release (1.3) is over 6 months old.
>
> Oops...must have got my wires crossed...James always has the CFAJAX stuff in 
> his
> sig...made me think it was him...Bad James Bad! ;-)
>
> Bryan Stevenson B.Comm.
> VP & Director of E-Commerce Development
> Electric Edge Systems Group Inc.
> phone: 250.480.0642
> fax: 250.480.1264
> cell: 250.920.8830
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RE: Fusebox 4 Slow?

[dave]

Its the live site but I just revisited it and it seems much faster now(of 
course).

Like i said, I am not worried about an enterprise system, just little sites.

~Dave the disruptor~ 


From: "Munson, Jacob" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Sent: Tuesday, June 06, 2006 6:53 PM
To: CF-Talk 
Subject: RE: Fusebox 4 Slow? 

> Im not being a smart ass but I have though that for a long 
> time, actually since Hal Helms came to the Louisville cfug 
> and he showed us his furniture store and when I went home and 
> looked at it was just god aweful slow and if Hal is doing bad 
> coding then I guess we all are.

It could be that you were running his demo app in development mode, or
whatever they call it. People say that's a lot slower, but I'm not a FB
user.

> So if we took a good coder on here and they made 2 small 
> apps, 1 in just good clean cf and the other in say mg, would 
> you see (with your eyes) a speed difference?

I'd say probably not. But, small performance gains like this can make a
difference. For example, I read a recent article that talked about a
huge system, on the scale of eBay or Amazon. I can't remember what it
was, but that's not important. Anyway, these guys /were/ fine tuning
down to the millisecond and kilobyte. He talked about trimming a few KB
from some JS files, and no joke, they were saving terabytes of
throughput per month. That's why I try to code efficiently from the
beginning, because then I don't have to learn how to do it later when/if
I really need to.

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Re: OT: JS failing in IE

[Jim Wright]

On 6/6/06, Damien McKenna <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> > -Original Message-
> > From: Jim Wright [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> > Sent: Tuesday, June 06, 2006 5:27 PM
> >
> > IE is getting confused because you are using a variable "total_cases"
> > with the same name as one of your elements on the page...just change
> > the name of that variable, and you should be ok...
>
> That was it, thanks!
>

Also note that it would have worked as-is if you had declared the
total_cases variable at the beginning of your function.


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Re: SOT: Java code to CF

[Rick Root]

Bryan Stevenson wrote:
>> Yeah but mine is easier to read and understand ;)
>>
>> Rick
> 
> LOL...I have a couple Java guys here with big sticks that have a different 
> opinion ;-)
> 
> Of course I temper them with "easily readable is more maintainable" on a 
> regular 
> basis ;-)


FWIW, I'm not saying I *CODE* that way, though I should.  We all 
*SHOULD*.  I just don't like tacking on init() calls to the 
createObject() calls.

And yet then I'm perfectly happy to write javascript code that looks 
like this:

document.getElementById('foo').style.display = 'none';

Which is basically donig the same thing =)

Rick

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Multiple JRun Web Servers in one instance

[Troy Simpson]

I discovered how to do this and I thought others might find this useful.
I have a server with 4 IP Address and localhost.  I only wanted the
JRun Web Server to listen to port 8300 on 1 IP Address and localhost.

168.192.1.1
168.192.1.2
168.192.1.3
168.192.1.4
127.0.0.1

So I thought I would try to edit the jrun.xml file and add a
bindAddress with 2 IP addresss:

  
25
500
*
false
1000
1
127.0.0.1|168.192.1.4
8311
300
300
  

Well, this did not work and it gave me errors when the server started up.

So I duplicated the entry in the jrun.xml file like this:

  
25
500
*
false
1000
1
127.0.0.1
8311
300
300
  
  
25
500
*
false
1000
1
168.192.1.4
8311
300
300
  

I changed the service name of the second entry to "WebService2" are
restarted the JRun/cfusion instance.  What do you know, it worked!!

Enjoy,

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Re: soEditor

[Alan Rother]

http://www.fckeditor.net/


It's all you will ever need. It's open source and well documented for
virtually every language you could want to use it in. Also, the soEditor
hasn't been updated in like 3 years. It's basically dead.

=]

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Re: SOT: Java code to CF

[Bryan Stevenson]

> Yeah but mine is easier to read and understand ;)
>
> Rick

LOL...I have a couple Java guys here with big sticks that have a different 
opinion ;-)

Of course I temper them with "easily readable is more maintainable" on a 
regular 
basis ;-)

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Electric Edge Systems Group Inc.
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Re: ASP.NET How can one love it.

[Bruce Sorge]

I have to admit when I installed vs.net 2005 I to had configuration errors. I 
also have some "projects" that I no longer need and cannot get rid of. Go M$!!

Bruce Sorge
Sent from my HP iPAQ


-Original Message-
From: "Paul Giesenhagen"<[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Sent: 6/6/06 4:57:49 PM
To: "CF-Talk"
Subject: Re: ASP.NET How can one love it.

Format your hard drive and re-install your operating system

** Couldn't resist **

Paul Giesenhagen
QuillDesign
417-885-1375
http://www.quilldesign.com


- Original Message - 
From: "Ian Skinner" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: "CF-Talk" 
Sent: Tuesday, June 06, 2006 4:52 PM
Subject: ASP.NET How can one love it.


> Ok in reality I'm griping about Visual Studio (2005 Professional to be 
> specific).
>
> I'm going through the "How do I ..." tutorials.  So far I have done three 
> and have had trouble with two of them.  One, where the instructions where 
> wrong, and a second, where something was wrong with my system 
> configuration, have not developed a sense of love within by breast.
>
> Anyway, through all this I have created some "projects" that I do not 
> want.  They are stored in an undesirable place and I would like to remove 
> them from my work space.  I can't.  I look up the instructions in the 
help 
> and I get these.
>
> 
> Deleting
> You can delete a project permanently, but not by using Visual Studio. You 
> need to remove any references to the project you want to delete from 
> solutions you have in Visual Studio, and then use Windows Explorer to 
> delete the associated files from storage permanently.
>
> To permanently delete a project
> 1)  In Solution Explorer, select the project you want to delete from the 
> solution.
> 2) On the Edit menu, select Remove.
> 3) In Windows Explorer, locate and select the files associated with the 
> project you want to delete.
> 4) On the File menu, select Delete.
> 
>
> But this does not work.  There is no Remove command in the Edit menu.  So 
> what am I supposed to do?
>
>
> --
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Re: Fusebox 4 Slow?

[dave]

thats why i was asking if you took 1 good coder and made the same app in 
straight cfm and 1 in a framework, which would be faster, or i guess it would 
be better to ask, would it be noticable. Since you are running the same 
graphics, css, etc and if it was on same server.

~Dave the disruptor~ 


From: "Barney Boisvert" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Sent: Tuesday, June 06, 2006 5:52 PM
To: CF-Talk 
Subject: Re: Fusebox 4 Slow? 

> I'm assuming this is more or less the frameworks that use xml or so it seems 
> but then again I really haven't seen a .net app that's fast either.

The vast majority of user-perceptible slowness is due to network
latency, not application speed. So even if you service every request
in 10 milliseconds, most users are still going to see response times
in the 500+ millisecond range, unless they're on the same network as
the server. That's a big buffer, and basically negates user
perception from consideration as long as you're servicing most
requests in less than 300-400 milliseconds.

Then they're is also external resources such as images, CSS, and JS
file. Those all have to be downloaded, and in the case of CSS and JS
parsed, before the page really is there, and unless you're making very
good use of request flushing, chances are good none of that even
starts until the page is fully at the client. So figure a "typical"
request takes from one to two seconds to fully render, almost entirely
regardless of server-side performance. The Google search page is way
faster because it's tiny, and Google Maps is way more because it has
to build and assemble a fairly rich client application infrastructure
before it can be effective (though that's all client-side, not
server-side). In different terms, figure you have a 10ms response
time, so your page loads in 1.01-2.01 seconds, while with a 500ms
response time, the page loads in 1.5 to 2.5 seconds. Not much
difference for a 50-fold increase in server processing time.

Regarding XML in particular, FB4+ is XML-based, and consistently
faster than FB3, not to mention much easier to work with and far more
functional. So XML isn't a bad thing. The slowness of Model-Glue and
Mach-II (compared to Fusebox) are due to their implict invocation
architecture, rather than FB's procedural structure. For some
application either will work, but for others (particularly larger
apps), having implicit invocation eases development and maintenance by
such a degree that the added performance costs are more than overcome.

cheers,
barneyb

On 6/6/06, dave  wrote:
> Yeah that can be true and is a good point.
> I really want to get into model-glue but I still remember something I read on 
> here that was said, someone said that it was slow and the responce was yeah 
> but it's doing so much underneath, but the user doesn't care what's 
> underneath they want it fast.
>
> I'm assuming this is more or less the frameworks that use xml or so it seems 
> but then again I really haven't seen a .net app that's fast either.
>
> ~Dave the disruptor~

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RE: Fusebox 4 Slow?

[Munson, Jacob]

> Im not being a smart ass but I have though that for a long 
> time, actually since Hal Helms came to the Louisville cfug 
> and he showed us his furniture store and when I went home and 
> looked at it was just god aweful slow and if Hal is doing bad 
> coding then I guess we all are.

It could be that you were running his demo app in development mode, or
whatever they call it.  People say that's a lot slower, but I'm not a FB
user.
 
> So if we took a good coder on here and they made 2 small 
> apps, 1 in just good clean cf and the other in say mg, would 
> you see (with your eyes) a speed difference?

I'd say probably not.  But, small performance gains like this can make a
difference.  For example, I read a recent article that talked about a
huge system, on the scale of eBay or Amazon.  I can't remember what it
was, but that's not important.  Anyway, these guys /were/ fine tuning
down to the millisecond and kilobyte.  He talked about trimming a few KB
from some JS files, and no joke, they were saving terabytes of
throughput per month.  That's why I try to code efficiently from the
beginning, because then I don't have to learn how to do it later when/if
I really need to.


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RE: ASP.NET How can one love it.

[Ian Skinner]

Right-click in the Solution Explorer panel

AND?

I've tried that.  I can delete individual files, but I want to delete the 
entire project definition, files and all.


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Re: Fusebox 4 Slow?

[dave]

Most of the stuff I build is very small, in and out in a day to a week. But 
with over 200 sites coming up (in same general field) of course it would make 
sense to use a framework to bust them out quickly (1-3 hours each, just change 
the look and feel) but I don't want to use framework if the speed is noticable 
slower.

The "disrupter" framework I use is already fast and easy but i really would 
like to use a mainstream one.

~Dave the disruptor~ 


From: "Charlie Griefer" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Sent: Tuesday, June 06, 2006 4:55 PM
To: CF-Talk 
Subject: Re: Fusebox 4 Slow? 

On 6/6/06, dave  wrote:
> The thing I always hear about frameworks is about how much easier it is to 
> manage but yet all of them really slow down the apps for the end user which I 
> can't see the good of since a the apps aren't made for the developers they 
> are made for the users yet they are penalized so the developers can have an 
> easier day
>
> ~Dave the disruptor~

well, everything in moderation.

obviously, there's a "happy medium" between performance degradation
and ease of maintenance. the ideal is that you do suffer a
performance hit...but it's (theoretically) negligible enough that it's
worth it for the ease of maintenance.

but again, this is just IMO and I'm not actively trying to convert
anybody to anything. if you don't think that the performance hit is
worth it (and maybe for you it's not...maybe you're able to maintain
your code easily enough without a formal framework in place), then God
bless ya and keep at it :)

-- 
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soEditor

[Jason Rogoz]

Is anyone using soEditor in their cms site?  I'm looking for something that I 
can use for cfm and .NET apps...i've tried using FreeTextBox editor but it 
seems buggy and the support is not very good
 
Jason


Jason Rogoz
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Re: SOT: Java code to CF

[Rick Root]

Bryan Stevenson wrote:
>>
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> 
>>
> 
> and the example I posted does it all in 1 line ;-)

Yeah but mine is easier to read and understand ;)

Rick

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RE: Fusebox 4 Slow?

[Munson, Jacob]

> On 6/6/06, Munson, Jacob <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> > The thing that bothered me about that study is that there was no
> > straight CF implementation tested.  I'm going to sound like a broken
> > record, but it /is/ possible to write good code using just plain CF.
> 
> Perhaps you could share your definition of "straight/plain CF"?  I see
> a few obvious definitions (later ones implying earlier ones):
> 
>  1) not using non-CFML code
>  2) not using third party non-application CFML code (FB, M2, MG, etc.)
>  3) not using non-application CFML code (i.e. generic framework code)
>  4) not using 'extensibility' CFML features (custom tags, CFCs, UDFs)
>  5) not using CFINCLUDE

Mostly #2.  ColdFusion comes with a lot of built-in stuff that makes OO
programming possible, like cffunction, cfobject, CFCs, etc.  Like I've
said before, I'm not saying that frameworks are bad, I really think they
fill a gap in the CF community.  But it is not true that you have to use
a popular framework to have reusable, scaleable, flexible code.  But,
like you've said, people maintaining your code after you will have to
learn how things work.  

But that can be said for anything.  What percentage of the CF community
uses FuseBox?  If a developer has never seen FuseBox code before, it
will take them time to get up to speed before they can maintain it,
regardless of how many frameworks they have or haven't used before.
Now, how much time it takes is a huge variable, but just because the app
is in FuseBox doesn't guarantee that subsequent developers are going to
be able to jump right in.  It helps, but chances are just as good that
the next developer is going to hate you just as much as if you had
written it procedurally.


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RE: Fusebox 4 Slow?

[dave]

I realize that most differences are small and a few milliseconds is no big deal 
but when its very noticable then its different and for example most fusebox 
sites I have seen are noticably slower.

Im not being a smart ass but I have though that for a long time, actually since 
Hal Helms came to the Louisville cfug and he showed us his furniture store and 
when I went home and looked at it was just god aweful slow and if Hal is doing 
bad coding then I guess we all are.

So if we took a good coder on here and they made 2 small apps, 1 in just good 
clean cf and the other in say mg, would you see (with your eyes) a speed 
difference?

~Dave the disruptor~ 


From: "Munson, Jacob" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Sent: Tuesday, June 06, 2006 5:59 PM
To: CF-Talk 
Subject: RE: Fusebox 4 Slow? 

> I really want to get into model-glue but I still remember 
> something I read on here that was said, someone said that it 
> was slow and the responce was yeah but it's doing so much 
> underneath, but the user doesn't care what's underneath they 
> want it fast.

You're correct, there was a performance study done using the CF Pet
Market example apps published for CFDJ, but I can't remember who did it.
I don't think Model-Glue was in the study, but Joe has some blog posts
about his work with the guys that did the study. He's making some
improvements to his code, and he claims he's seen significant
performance gains so far.

The thing that bothered me about that study is that there was no
straight CF implementation tested. I'm going to sound like a broken
record, but it /is/ possible to write good code using just plain CF. I
know Simon Horwith's method was tested, but he uses tons of custom tags,
which can slow things down. However, like Dave W said, any differences
are going to be small, so it's probably not very useful to get into
these kinds of comparisons unless you've got real bottlenecks in your
code.

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RE: ASP.NET How can one love it.

[Dave Francis]

Right-click in the Solution Explorer panel

-Original Message-
From: Ian Skinner [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Tuesday, June 06, 2006 5:53 PM
To: CF-Talk
Subject: ASP.NET How can one love it.


Ok in reality I'm griping about Visual Studio (2005 Professional to be
specific).

I'm going through the "How do I ..." tutorials.  So far I have done three
and have had trouble with two of them.  One, where the instructions where
wrong, and a second, where something was wrong with my system configuration,
have not developed a sense of love within by breast.

Anyway, through all this I have created some "projects" that I do not want.
They are stored in an undesirable place and I would like to remove them from
my work space.  I can't.  I look up the instructions in the help and I get
these.


Deleting
You can delete a project permanently, but not by using Visual Studio. You
need to remove any references to the project you want to delete from
solutions you have in Visual Studio, and then use Windows Explorer to delete
the associated files from storage permanently.

To permanently delete a project
1)  In Solution Explorer, select the project you want to delete from the
solution.
2) On the Edit menu, select Remove.
3) In Windows Explorer, locate and select the files associated with the
project you want to delete.
4) On the File menu, select Delete.


But this does not work.  There is no Remove command in the Edit menu.  So
what am I supposed to do?


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Re: ASP.NET How can one love it.

[dave]

lol

~Dave the disruptor~ 


From: "Paul Giesenhagen" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Sent: Tuesday, June 06, 2006 6:03 PM
To: CF-Talk 
Subject: Re: ASP.NET How can one love it. 

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Re: Session Variables lost when moving from http to https - Please help!

[Matt Robertson]

> Is there a way to display the image without have to copy the image 
> directory to the "secure" folder?

I you can get an https:// connection to the /content/images/ folder then you 
can do this without copying I would think.  Use full urls in your image calls 
instead of relative.  Set the value of the full url to a variable so your code 
stays portable.

https://foo.com/bar/";>





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RE: ASP.NET How can one love it.

[Ian Skinner]

Ok in reality I'm griping about Visual Studio (2005 Professional to be 
specific).

And this grip was supposed to be posted to CF-Community.  Sorry.  Back to your 
regularly scheduled CF IDE "debate".



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Re: Fusebox 4 Slow?

[Barney Boisvert]

On 6/6/06, Munson, Jacob <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> The thing that bothered me about that study is that there was no
> straight CF implementation tested.  I'm going to sound like a broken
> record, but it /is/ possible to write good code using just plain CF.

Perhaps you could share your definition of "straight/plain CF"?  I see
a few obvious definitions (later ones implying earlier ones):

 1) not using non-CFML code
 2) not using third party non-application CFML code (FB, M2, MG, etc.)
 3) not using non-application CFML code (i.e. generic framework code)
 4) not using 'extensibility' CFML features (custom tags, CFCs, UDFs)
 5) not using CFINCLUDE

There are others, of course.  Which is the one you're referring to?

cheers,
barneyb

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RE: Fusebox 4 Slow?

[Eric Roberts]

You might even be using a modified form of one of the frameworks and not
know it.  My natural coding style is a lot like fusebox, which made it
easier to learn when I was doing a contract gig at a place that was using
it.

Eric 

-Original Message-
From: Stephen Moretti [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] 
Sent: Tuesday, 06 June 2006 16:00
To: CF-Talk
Subject: Re: Fusebox 4 Slow?

dave wrote:
> The thing I always hear about frameworks is about how much easier it is to
manage but yet all of them really slow down the apps for the end user which
I can't see the good of since a the apps aren't made for the developers they
are made for the users yet they are penalized so the developers can have an
easier day
>   
I think what you are forgetting is that even if you aren't using Fusebox,
Mach-II, Model-Glue, MVC or any other named application framework, then as
long as you writing a well structured application with reusable code and all
those other good programming techniques, whether that be procedural or
object oriented, you are still using a framework... So basically you are
saying all applications are slow and difficult to manage.
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Re: ASP.NET How can one love it.

[Paul Giesenhagen]

Format your hard drive and re-install your operating system

** Couldn't resist **

Paul Giesenhagen
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- Original Message - 
From: "Ian Skinner" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: "CF-Talk" 
Sent: Tuesday, June 06, 2006 4:52 PM
Subject: ASP.NET How can one love it.


> Ok in reality I'm griping about Visual Studio (2005 Professional to be 
> specific).
>
> I'm going through the "How do I ..." tutorials.  So far I have done three 
> and have had trouble with two of them.  One, where the instructions where 
> wrong, and a second, where something was wrong with my system 
> configuration, have not developed a sense of love within by breast.
>
> Anyway, through all this I have created some "projects" that I do not 
> want.  They are stored in an undesirable place and I would like to remove 
> them from my work space.  I can't.  I look up the instructions in the help 
> and I get these.
>
> 
> Deleting
> You can delete a project permanently, but not by using Visual Studio. You 
> need to remove any references to the project you want to delete from 
> solutions you have in Visual Studio, and then use Windows Explorer to 
> delete the associated files from storage permanently.
>
> To permanently delete a project
> 1)  In Solution Explorer, select the project you want to delete from the 
> solution.
> 2) On the Edit menu, select Remove.
> 3) In Windows Explorer, locate and select the files associated with the 
> project you want to delete.
> 4) On the File menu, select Delete.
> 
>
> But this does not work.  There is no Remove command in the Edit menu.  So 
> what am I supposed to do?
>
>
> --
> Ian Skinner
> Web Programmer
> BloodSource
> www.BloodSource.org
> Sacramento, CA
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RE: Fusebox 4 Slow?

[Munson, Jacob]

> I really want to get into model-glue but I still remember 
> something I read on here that was said, someone said that it 
> was slow and the responce was yeah but it's doing so much 
> underneath, but the user doesn't care what's underneath they 
> want it fast.

You're correct, there was a performance study done using the CF Pet
Market example apps published for CFDJ, but I can't remember who did it.
I don't think Model-Glue was in the study, but Joe has some blog posts
about his work with the guys that did the study.  He's making some
improvements to his code, and he claims he's seen significant
performance gains so far.

The thing that bothered me about that study is that there was no
straight CF implementation tested.  I'm going to sound like a broken
record, but it /is/ possible to write good code using just plain CF.  I
know Simon Horwith's method was tested, but he uses tons of custom tags,
which can slow things down.  However, like Dave W said, any differences
are going to be small, so it's probably not very useful to get into
these kinds of comparisons unless you've got real bottlenecks in your
code.


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ASP.NET How can one love it.

[Ian Skinner]

Ok in reality I'm griping about Visual Studio (2005 Professional to be 
specific).

I'm going through the "How do I ..." tutorials.  So far I have done three and 
have had trouble with two of them.  One, where the instructions where wrong, 
and a second, where something was wrong with my system configuration, have not 
developed a sense of love within by breast.

Anyway, through all this I have created some "projects" that I do not want.  
They are stored in an undesirable place and I would like to remove them from my 
work space.  I can't.  I look up the instructions in the help and I get these.


Deleting
You can delete a project permanently, but not by using Visual Studio. You need 
to remove any references to the project you want to delete from solutions you 
have in Visual Studio, and then use Windows Explorer to delete the associated 
files from storage permanently.

To permanently delete a project
1)  In Solution Explorer, select the project you want to delete from the 
solution.
2) On the Edit menu, select Remove.
3) In Windows Explorer, locate and select the files associated with the project 
you want to delete.
4) On the File menu, select Delete.


But this does not work.  There is no Remove command in the Edit menu.  So what 
am I supposed to do?


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Web Programmer
BloodSource
www.BloodSource.org
Sacramento, CA

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RE: ways to "time" a file upload?

[Kevin Aebig]

Flash Upload form. Easy, fast and accurate. Check out Google for example
scripts that you can plug-in if you don't have CF7 and Flash forms.

Also, think about doing some client side stats to check for other potential
issues. 

Cheers,

!k

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To: CF-Talk
Subject: ways to "time" a file upload?

Is there a way that I can figure out how long a file upload takes?

I have a client who is complaining that my file upload script is taking 
too long.  When I test it, everything seems OK, so I'm assuming that it 
is a connectivity issue on his end.  What I'd like to do is out out the 
amount of seconds that the upload takes on the "success" page so I can 
have some kind of benchmark.

I've tried wrapping the  tag with getTickCount(), but the number 
there is ridiculously small, so I'm assuming that it's only telling me 
how long it takes to process that tag, not the actual upload itself.

Anybody have any tricks on how I could accomplish what I'm trying to do?
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Re: Fusebox 4 Slow?

[Barney Boisvert]

> I'm assuming this is more or less the frameworks that use xml or so it seems 
> but then again I really haven't seen a .net app that's fast either.

The vast majority of user-perceptible slowness is due to network
latency, not application speed.  So even if you service every request
in 10 milliseconds, most users are still going to see response times
in the 500+ millisecond range, unless they're on the same network as
the server.  That's a big buffer, and basically negates user
perception from consideration as long as you're servicing most
requests in less than 300-400 milliseconds.

Then they're is also external resources such as images, CSS, and JS
file.  Those all have to be downloaded, and in the case of CSS and JS
parsed, before the page really is there, and unless you're making very
good use of request flushing, chances are good none of that even
starts until the page is fully at the client.  So figure a "typical"
request takes from one to two seconds to fully render, almost entirely
regardless of server-side performance.  The Google search page is way
faster because it's tiny, and Google Maps is way more because it has
to build and assemble a fairly rich client application infrastructure
before it can be effective (though that's all client-side, not
server-side).  In different terms, figure you have a 10ms response
time, so your page loads in 1.01-2.01 seconds, while with a 500ms
response time, the page loads in 1.5 to 2.5 seconds.  Not much
difference for a 50-fold increase in server processing time.

Regarding XML in particular, FB4+ is XML-based, and consistently
faster than FB3, not to mention much easier to work with and far more
functional.  So XML isn't a bad thing.  The slowness of Model-Glue and
Mach-II (compared to Fusebox) are due to their implict invocation
architecture, rather than FB's procedural structure.  For some
application either will work, but for others (particularly larger
apps), having implicit invocation eases development and maintenance by
such a degree that the added performance costs are more than overcome.

cheers,
barneyb

On 6/6/06, dave <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> Yeah that can be true and is a good point.
> I really want to get into model-glue but I still remember something I read on 
> here that was said, someone said that it was slow and the responce was yeah 
> but it's doing so much underneath, but the user doesn't care what's 
> underneath they want it fast.
>
> I'm assuming this is more or less the frameworks that use xml or so it seems 
> but then again I really haven't seen a .net app that's fast either.
>
> ~Dave the disruptor~

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RE: ways to "time" a file upload?

[Andrew Tyrone]

> Well after browsing this thread I thought if it would be possible to
> connect the submit button to an XMLHttpRequest which triggers a
> session var for the starting of the upload and after processing the
> upload you take another timestamp and could calculate with that.
> Stupid idea?

No, I was going to respond to Dave's email with this same idea.  I also like
the idea of that flash upload app that was mentioned in this same thread.
It requires version 8 of the player, though, so if you were in a controlled
environment where you could specify the version to your users then you'd get
very accurate results on the upload time.  I know there are other controls
available to handle this, too, but I've never used any of them.

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RE: OT: JS failing in IE

[Damien McKenna]

> -Original Message-
> From: Jim Wright [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] 
> Sent: Tuesday, June 06, 2006 5:27 PM
> 
> IE is getting confused because you are using a variable "total_cases"
> with the same name as one of your elements on the page...just change
> the name of that variable, and you should be ok...

That was it, thanks!

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RE: Fusebox Books

[Eric Roberts]

Yup...CFWACK covers the basics of the language and goes over most of the
tags and functions, while the advanced books generally cover more server
settings and other more advanced topics (hence the name hehe)  I need to go
get the current set...I am still using the CF5 books.

Eric 

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Sent: Tuesday, 06 June 2006 14:30
To: CF-Talk
Subject: RE: Fusebox Books

I've got "Advanced Macromedia ColdFusion MX 7 Application Development"
(what at title!), by Ben Forta and a gang of other folks.  It's a pretty
good book.  I just wish I had CFWACK because there's a lot of stuff not
covered in my book.  I think it's because the two books are supposed to be
companions, so for the most part what's in one is not in the other.

> -Original Message-
> From: Bruce Sorge [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> Sent: Tuesday, June 06, 2006 10:38 AM
> 
> Hello,
> I am going to go back into the contract programming world and I want 
> to update my CF skills to include Fusebox. Are there any good books 
> that anyone on the list can recommend that I should get? And what 
> about advanced CF books? What do you all recommend for that as well? I 
> already have Ben's CFWACK for version MX and 7.

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Re: Fusebox 4 Slow?

[dave]

Yeah that can be true and is a good point.
I really want to get into model-glue but I still remember something I read on 
here that was said, someone said that it was slow and the responce was yeah but 
it's doing so much underneath, but the user doesn't care what's underneath they 
want it fast.

I'm assuming this is more or less the frameworks that use xml or so it seems 
but then again I really haven't seen a .net app that's fast either.

~Dave the disruptor~ 


From: Stephen Moretti <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Sent: Tuesday, June 06, 2006 5:02 PM
To: CF-Talk 
Subject: Re: Fusebox 4 Slow? 

dave wrote:
> The thing I always hear about frameworks is about how much easier it is to 
> manage but yet all of them really slow down the apps for the end user which I 
> can't see the good of since a the apps aren't made for the developers they 
> are made for the users yet they are penalized so the developers can have an 
> easier day
> 
I think what you are forgetting is that even if you aren't using 
Fusebox, Mach-II, Model-Glue, MVC or any other named application 
framework, then as long as you writing a well structured application 
with reusable code and all those other good programming techniques, 
whether that be procedural or object oriented, you are still using a 
framework... So basically you are saying all applications are slow and 
difficult to manage.
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RE: Fusebox 4 Slow?

[Dave Watts]

> The thing I always hear about frameworks is about how much 
> easier it is to manage but yet all of them really slow down 
> the apps for the end user which I can't see the good of since 
> a the apps aren't made for the developers they are made for 
> the users yet they are penalized so the developers can have 
> an easier day

Uh, yah. If you're so concerned about application speed, you really
shouldn't be using CF (or any other scripting language). There are all sorts
of high-performance alternatives, such as ISAPI and Apache modules. Enjoy
writing C++.

Without getting into the framework debate (framework vs no framework,
framework a vs framework b), easing application maintenance will have a
bigger effect on the overall cost of a typical web application than anything
else you could do. The only projects that don't require maintenance are the
ones that fail.

In my experience, I generally haven't seen any significant performance
degradation caused by the use of any specific framework, and I've seen a lot
of applications. But even if there was some performance degradation, that
would generally be a small price to pay if it makes the application
significantly easier to maintain.

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RE: Fusebox 4 Slow?

[Eric Roberts]

You can lead a horse to water but you can't make him develop a well
structured application ;-)  It does lend to it, but we humans have a way of
defeating things like that.

Eric 

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Subject: Re: Fusebox 4 Slow?

 >>I'm seeing some ugly execution times for Fusebox 4

Its the price to pay to use such a framework.
I had to work on a Fusebox application once, I found it pretty slow too, and
finally discovered that the same query was run more that 25 times for the
same page !
Ok, t'was probabilly a "poorly developed" application, but isn't a frame
work supposed to help develop "well designed applications"?

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RE: JS failing in IE

[Dave Watts]

> I've written this custom JS function to update some totals on 
> a page when a selector is changed, anyone have any ideas why 
> it would work in Firefox and Safari but not IE6?
> 
> aCase = 180;
> cases = document.getElementById('count_cases').value;

Is "count_cases" a SELECT object? If so, I don't know if you can access the
value directly within IE. You should be able to do this instead (in either
browser):

c = document.getElementsById('count_cases');
cases = c.options[c.selectedIndex].value;

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Re: OT: JS failing in IE

[Charlie Griefer]

what's count_cases? :)

where is it?

On 6/6/06, Damien McKenna <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> On Jun 6, 2006, at 5:15 PM, Charlie Griefer wrote:
> > what kind of element is count_cases?  just one element with that ID?
>
> 
> 
> function setTotal()
> {
> aCase = 180;alert(aCase);
> casesCount = parseInt(document.getElementById
> ('count_cases').value);alert(casesCount);
> total_cases = casesCount * aCase;alert(total_cases);
> document.getElementById('total_bottles').innerHTML = 
> total_cases;
> }
> 
> 
> 
> 
> none
> 1
> 
>
> etc.
> Right now it's failing on the multiplication line.
>
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Re: OT: JS failing in IE

[Jim Wright]

On 6/6/06, Damien McKenna <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> I've written this custom JS function to update some totals on a page
> when a selector is changed, anyone have any ideas why it would work
> in Firefox and Safari but not IE6?
>
> aCase = 180;
> cases = document.getElementById('count_cases').value;
> total_cases = (cases * aCase);
> document.getElementById('total_cases').innerHTML = total_cases;
>
> IE gives an error saying:
> Object doesn't support this property or method
> and points to the cases= line.
>
> Any thoughts folks?  Thanks.
>

IE is getting confused because you are using a variable "total_cases"
with the same name as one of your elements on the page...just change
the name of that variable, and you should be ok...

aCase = 180;
cases = document.getElementById('count_cases').value;
tc = (cases * aCase);
document.getElementById('total_cases').innerHTML = tc;



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Re: OT: JS failing in IE

[Damien McKenna]

On Jun 6, 2006, at 5:15 PM, Charlie Griefer wrote:
> what kind of element is count_cases?  just one element with that ID?



function setTotal()
{
aCase = 180;alert(aCase);
casesCount = parseInt(document.getElementById 
('count_cases').value);alert(casesCount);
total_cases = casesCount * aCase;alert(total_cases);
document.getElementById('total_bottles').innerHTML = 
total_cases;
}




none
1


etc.
Right now it's failing on the multiplication line.

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Re: OT: JS failing in IE

[Charlie Griefer]

what kind of element is count_cases?  just one element with that ID?

could you post some more of the code?

On 6/6/06, Damien McKenna <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> I've written this custom JS function to update some totals on a page
> when a selector is changed, anyone have any ideas why it would work
> in Firefox and Safari but not IE6?
>
> aCase = 180;
> cases = document.getElementById('count_cases').value;
> total_cases = (cases * aCase);
> document.getElementById('total_cases').innerHTML = total_cases;
>
> IE gives an error saying:
> Object doesn't support this property or method
> and points to the cases= line.
>
> Any thoughts folks?  Thanks.
>
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RE: JS failing in IE

[Ben Nadel]

Probably means the getElementById() method is returning NULL. Try getting
that DOM object first (before calling .value on it) and alert it to make
sure that it is valid.

...
Ben Nadel 
www.bennadel.com

-Original Message-
From: Damien McKenna [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] 
Sent: Tuesday, June 06, 2006 5:11 PM
To: CF-Talk
Subject: OT: JS failing in IE

I've written this custom JS function to update some totals on a page when a
selector is changed, anyone have any ideas why it would work in Firefox and
Safari but not IE6?

aCase = 180;
cases = document.getElementById('count_cases').value;
total_cases = (cases * aCase);
document.getElementById('total_cases').innerHTML = total_cases;

IE gives an error saying:
Object doesn't support this property or method and points to the
cases= line.

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OT: JS failing in IE

[Damien McKenna]

I've written this custom JS function to update some totals on a page  
when a selector is changed, anyone have any ideas why it would work  
in Firefox and Safari but not IE6?

aCase = 180;
cases = document.getElementById('count_cases').value;
total_cases = (cases * aCase);
document.getElementById('total_cases').innerHTML = total_cases;

IE gives an error saying:
Object doesn't support this property or method
and points to the cases= line.

Any thoughts folks?  Thanks.

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Re: Fusebox 4 Slow?

[Stephen Moretti]

dave wrote:
> The thing I always hear about frameworks is about how much easier it is to 
> manage but yet all of them really slow down the apps for the end user which I 
> can't see the good of since a the apps aren't made for the developers they 
> are made for the users yet they are penalized so the developers can have an 
> easier day
>   
I think what you are forgetting is that even if you aren't using 
Fusebox, Mach-II, Model-Glue, MVC or any other named application 
framework, then as long as you writing a well structured application 
with reusable code and all those other good programming techniques,  
whether that be procedural or object oriented, you are still using a 
framework... So basically you are saying all applications are slow and 
difficult to manage.
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Re: CFSTUDIO THE CONCLUSION

[Jim Wright]

> Besides, I have no idea what CFE is ..
>

Constantly flowing emails?
Continuing futile elocution?
Couldn't forgo emailing?

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Re: Fusebox 4 Slow?

[Charlie Griefer]

On 6/6/06, dave <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> The thing I always hear about frameworks is about how much easier it is to 
> manage but yet all of them really slow down the apps for the end user which I 
> can't see the good of since a the apps aren't made for the developers they 
> are made for the users yet they are penalized so the developers can have an 
> easier day
>
> ~Dave the disruptor~

well, everything in moderation.

obviously, there's a "happy medium" between performance degradation
and ease of maintenance.  the ideal is that you do suffer a
performance hit...but it's (theoretically) negligible enough that it's
worth it for the ease of maintenance.

but again, this is just IMO and I'm not actively trying to convert
anybody to anything.  if you don't think that the performance hit is
worth it (and maybe for you it's not...maybe you're able to maintain
your code easily enough without a formal framework in place), then God
bless ya and keep at it :)

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Re: Fusebox 4 Slow?

[dave]

The thing I always hear about frameworks is about how much easier it is to 
manage but yet all of them really slow down the apps for the end user which I 
can't see the good of since a the apps aren't made for the developers they are 
made for the users yet they are penalized so the developers can have an easier 
day

~Dave the disruptor~ 


From: "Charlie Griefer" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Sent: Tuesday, June 06, 2006 4:29 PM
To: CF-Talk 
Subject: Re: Fusebox 4 Slow? 

before this degenerates further into what every other fusebox thread
ultimately degenerates into...

all blanket statements are bad :)

Using fusebox (or any other framework of your choice) won't
automatically make your code "good". Even die-hard fuseboxers (or
users of any other framework) will tell you that.

Not using fusebox does not automatically make your code "bad".

To each their own.

Luckily, we all agree on IDEs... :D

On 6/6/06, Munson, Jacob  wrote:
> > However, you are correct, I can make any FB application have better
> > performance characteristics by ripping out the FB. I just won't be
> > able to modify it tomorrow with any sort of effectiveness, and the
> > vast majority of applications are better served with easier
> > development and maintenance than runtime performance.
>
> See here is where we part ways. It really bothers me that most
> framework fans profess that because a framework makes code easier to
> maintain, non-framework code is not easy to maintain. The latter is a
> false blanket statement. Yes, there are a lot of terribly written
> non-framework sites that are excruciatingly difficult to maintain. But
> it /is/ possible, and fairly easy I might add, to write scalable,
> portable, and flexible CF code without using a framework.
>
> However, like you said, some frameworks offer some good tools not
> available in CF. And, like you said, frameworks offer the benefit of a
> common style that other developers will be able to jump into your code
> with ease (assuming it's a well written app and they know your
> framework).
>
> Again, I am not saying that frameworks are bad, I just get tired of
> hearing the non-framework=bad code argument. I'll leave you with an
> example. The other day my boss asked me to make a change in an Intranet
> app I help maintain that I didn't build. The original developer uses a
> very procedural coding style, but I understand it and it works. It took
> me about 5 minutes to figure out what I need to do, and about 5 minutes
> to make the change. And the change I'm talking about was a new complex
> financial calculation that was an addition to an existing page. And
> this change required the use of JavaScript data mixed with ColdFusion
> data. Why was it so easy? Because I was able to leverage his existing
> 'framework', or rather his functions/variables/conventions. However,
> I'm not saying that procedural programming is good, I prefer a more OO
> approach. But this example illustrates that it's often very easy to
> update a non-framework site, especially if it was written in CF.
>
>
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Re: ways to "time" a file upload?

[Patric Stumpe]

Well after browsing this thread I thought if it would be possible to
connect the submit button to an XMLHttpRequest which triggers a
session var for the starting of the upload and after processing the
upload you take another timestamp and could calculate with that.
Stupid idea?

>> Yeah, I didn't think about the client/server time difference, 
>> although using JavaScript to get the time on the action page 
>> after the file upload would work without any time-offset 
>> calculations.

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RE: ways to "time" a file upload?

[Dave Watts]

> Yeah, I didn't think about the client/server time difference, 
> although using JavaScript to get the time on the action page 
> after the file upload would work without any time-offset 
> calculations.

However, using JavaScript on the action page would mean that you would be
including the delivery, rendering and client-side execution within your
calculation, in addition to the actual file upload. On a busy server, that
could be a significant difference, if you're very concerned about accuracy.

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RE: Application CFC - OnRequest Method

[Ian Skinner]

Well in theory the code you had should have worked just fine. The value of the 
page argument will typically be /foo/zoo.cfm, and cfinclude shoukd have worked 
just fine.

That seems to be the issue because of the leading slash in /foo/zoo.cfm the 
path is relative.   does not allow the use of relative paths without 
a mapping.  Am I going to have to put a mapping for every application to use 
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RE: Fusebox 4 Slow?

[Munson, Jacob]

> From: Charlie Griefer
> Sent: Tuesday, June 06, 2006 2:26 PM
> 
> before this degenerates further into what every other fusebox thread
> ultimately degenerates into...
> 
> all blanket statements are bad :)
> 
> Using fusebox (or any other framework of your choice) won't
> automatically make your code "good".  Even die-hard fuseboxers (or
> users of any other framework) will tell you that.
> 
> Not using fusebox does not automatically make your code "bad".
> 
> To each their own.

Thanks for that, I totally agree.
 
> Luckily, we all agree on IDEs... :D

Yes, and the best one is...  ;)


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RE: Dynamically building nested unordered lists

[Ian Skinner]

I have not studied your example but I believe what you are trying to do is what 
the group by parameter of the cfoutput tag is for.


  Output stuff that will appear once per unique value of aField.
  
Output stuff that will appear once per record in aQuery.
  
  Output stuff that will appear once per unique value of aField.



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Re: CFSTUDIO THE CONCLUSION

[Mark Drew]

Dont start!!!



Besides, I have no idea what CFE is ..


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On 6 Jun 2006, at 15:58, Claude Schneegans wrote:

>>> and some prefer CFE
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RE: Fusebox 4 Slow?

[mark]

blah blah blah

Look! It's today's "re: CF Studio".

blah, blah, blah

-Original Message-
From: Munson, Jacob [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Tuesday, June 06, 2006 4:16 PM
To: CF-Talk
Subject: RE: Fusebox 4 Slow?


> However, you are correct, I can make any FB application have better
> performance characteristics by ripping out the FB.  I just won't be
> able to modify it tomorrow with any sort of effectiveness, and the
> vast majority of applications are better served with easier
> development and maintenance than runtime performance.

See here is where we part ways.  It really bothers me that most
framework fans profess that because a framework makes code easier to
maintain, non-framework code is not easy to maintain.  The latter is a
false blanket statement.  Yes, there are a lot of terribly written
non-framework sites that are excruciatingly difficult to maintain.  But
it /is/ possible, and fairly easy I might add, to write scalable,
portable, and flexible CF code without using a framework.

However, like you said, some frameworks offer some good tools not
available in CF.  And, like you said, frameworks offer the benefit of a
common style that other developers will be able to jump into your code
with ease (assuming it's a well written app and they know your
framework).

Again, I am not saying that frameworks are bad, I just get tired of
hearing the non-framework=bad code argument.  I'll leave you with an
example.  The other day my boss asked me to make a change in an Intranet
app I help maintain that I didn't build.  The original developer uses a
very procedural coding style, but I understand it and it works.  It took
me about 5 minutes to figure out what I need to do, and about 5 minutes
to make the change.  And the change I'm talking about was a new complex
financial calculation that was an addition to an existing page.  And
this change required the use of JavaScript data mixed with ColdFusion
data.  Why was it so easy?  Because I was able to leverage his existing
'framework', or rather his functions/variables/conventions.  However,
I'm not saying that procedural programming is good, I prefer a more OO
approach.  But this example illustrates that it's often very easy to
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Re: Fusebox 4 Slow?

[Charlie Griefer]

before this degenerates further into what every other fusebox thread
ultimately degenerates into...

all blanket statements are bad :)

Using fusebox (or any other framework of your choice) won't
automatically make your code "good".  Even die-hard fuseboxers (or
users of any other framework) will tell you that.

Not using fusebox does not automatically make your code "bad".

To each their own.

Luckily, we all agree on IDEs... :D

On 6/6/06, Munson, Jacob <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> > However, you are correct, I can make any FB application have better
> > performance characteristics by ripping out the FB.  I just won't be
> > able to modify it tomorrow with any sort of effectiveness, and the
> > vast majority of applications are better served with easier
> > development and maintenance than runtime performance.
>
> See here is where we part ways.  It really bothers me that most
> framework fans profess that because a framework makes code easier to
> maintain, non-framework code is not easy to maintain.  The latter is a
> false blanket statement.  Yes, there are a lot of terribly written
> non-framework sites that are excruciatingly difficult to maintain.  But
> it /is/ possible, and fairly easy I might add, to write scalable,
> portable, and flexible CF code without using a framework.
>
> However, like you said, some frameworks offer some good tools not
> available in CF.  And, like you said, frameworks offer the benefit of a
> common style that other developers will be able to jump into your code
> with ease (assuming it's a well written app and they know your
> framework).
>
> Again, I am not saying that frameworks are bad, I just get tired of
> hearing the non-framework=bad code argument.  I'll leave you with an
> example.  The other day my boss asked me to make a change in an Intranet
> app I help maintain that I didn't build.  The original developer uses a
> very procedural coding style, but I understand it and it works.  It took
> me about 5 minutes to figure out what I need to do, and about 5 minutes
> to make the change.  And the change I'm talking about was a new complex
> financial calculation that was an addition to an existing page.  And
> this change required the use of JavaScript data mixed with ColdFusion
> data.  Why was it so easy?  Because I was able to leverage his existing
> 'framework', or rather his functions/variables/conventions.  However,
> I'm not saying that procedural programming is good, I prefer a more OO
> approach.  But this example illustrates that it's often very easy to
> update a non-framework site, especially if it was written in CF.
>
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Re: Application CFC - OnRequest Method

[Raymond Camden]

Well in theory the code you had should have worked just fine. The
value of the page argument will typically be /foo/zoo.cfm, and
cfinclude shoukd have worked just fine.

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> Why not just use onRequestStart? You can't write to the variables scope, but 
> you could load the UDFs in the request scope.
>
>
> Yes, I solved my problem with the UDF.  But while doing so I ran into this 
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RE: Application CFC - OnRequest Method

[Ian Skinner]

Can you not create the function else where and call it from within 
applciaiton.cfc?  Sorry i've not used applciation.cfc yet.  I know ray camden 
has a application.cfc file on his blog - maybe that could give some hints?


See previous reply.  I resolved the issue with the UDF.  But I found I do not 
understand how the onRequest method works or how one would use it.  The sample 
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RE: Fusebox Books

[Eric Roberts]

For fusebox, get the book written by the developers of fusebox.  I don't
know the title offhand, but you can get it at fusebox.org.  It's a great
book.

Eric 

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Subject: Fusebox Books

Hello,
I am going to go back into the contract programming world and I want to
update my CF skills to include Fusebox. Are there any good books that anyone
on the list can recommend that I should get? And what about advanced CF
books? What do you all recommend for that as well? I already have Ben's
CFWACK for version MX and 7.

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RE: Application CFC - OnRequest Method

[Ian Skinner]

Why not just use onRequestStart? You can't write to the variables scope, but 
you could load the UDFs in the request scope.


Yes, I solved my problem with the UDF.  But while doing so I ran into this 
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RE: Fusebox 4 Slow?

[Munson, Jacob]

> However, you are correct, I can make any FB application have better
> performance characteristics by ripping out the FB.  I just won't be
> able to modify it tomorrow with any sort of effectiveness, and the
> vast majority of applications are better served with easier
> development and maintenance than runtime performance.

See here is where we part ways.  It really bothers me that most
framework fans profess that because a framework makes code easier to
maintain, non-framework code is not easy to maintain.  The latter is a
false blanket statement.  Yes, there are a lot of terribly written
non-framework sites that are excruciatingly difficult to maintain.  But
it /is/ possible, and fairly easy I might add, to write scalable,
portable, and flexible CF code without using a framework.  

However, like you said, some frameworks offer some good tools not
available in CF.  And, like you said, frameworks offer the benefit of a
common style that other developers will be able to jump into your code
with ease (assuming it's a well written app and they know your
framework).  

Again, I am not saying that frameworks are bad, I just get tired of
hearing the non-framework=bad code argument.  I'll leave you with an
example.  The other day my boss asked me to make a change in an Intranet
app I help maintain that I didn't build.  The original developer uses a
very procedural coding style, but I understand it and it works.  It took
me about 5 minutes to figure out what I need to do, and about 5 minutes
to make the change.  And the change I'm talking about was a new complex
financial calculation that was an addition to an existing page.  And
this change required the use of JavaScript data mixed with ColdFusion
data.  Why was it so easy?  Because I was able to leverage his existing
'framework', or rather his functions/variables/conventions.  However,
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Re: SOT: Java code to CF

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Excellentnow beware...iText can become habit formingbe careful ;-)

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Re: Fusebox 4 Slow?

[Claude Schneegans]

 >>I'd say that for a competent CFML developer to start
using FB effectively takes at least two full days

Ok, but it takes only one day to understand that you actually don't need 
such a hassle,

 >>Once you get the fundamentals of architecture
(circuits, fuseactions, pre/post fuseaction, global fuseactions,
circuit inheritance) down

 and only a couple of hours to understand that you'll be waisting quite
a lot of time with all this hardware ;-))

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RE: cfcompile alternative

[Steve Brownlee]

Addendum - "What these do is convert the CFML into Java code - the
equivalent of *JAVA* files."

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From: Steve Brownlee [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] 
Sent: Tuesday, June 06, 2006 3:43 PM
To: CF-Talk
Subject: RE: cfcompile alternative

I looked into this idea a while ago, Mike, and I don't believe it's
possible.  Basically what the compile.bat file is doing to compiling
your source code, just as you would if you were compiling a Java
program.  The additional parameters for the command simply adds cfx.jar
and cfmx_bootstrap.jar to the search path.  What these do is convert the
CFML into Java code - the equivalent of CLASS files.

AFAIK, there's no way to compile Java code other than calling java.exe.

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> Does anyone have an alternative solution to calling cfcompile via a 
> cfexecute tag (i.e. by calling the compiler as an object)?
> 

Since CFCOMPILE is a batch file, that launches a Java program, I suspect
that with a little fiddling you could do that directly from within a CF
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Re: Fusebox 4 Slow?

[Mike Tangorre]

From: "dave" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
>I don't think I have ever seen a "fast" fb application

Keep looking.



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RE: Dynamically building nested unordered lists

[Everett, Al \(NIH/NIGMS\) [C]]

> Sure.  In your example, though, my concern would be that other than
the order in which you've listed the items, there's no way to 
> tell which element lower than level 1 is a child of which other
element.
> Do you have a parent ID field or some such that relates an item to its
parent item or are you relying on the query returning 
> things in the proper order?  The latter seems iffy to me.

Indeed, the query takes care of it.

SELECT
HDR_ID, HDR_PARENT_ID, HDR_TITLE,
LEVEL
FROM
myTable
START WITH
HDR_PARENT_ID IS NULL
CONNECT BY
PRIOR HDR_ID=HDR_PARENT_ID
ORDER SIBLINGS BY
HDR_SORT_ORDER

> But, if you have a way of knowing, then you could use simple recursion
to build your list:  Loop over each level 1 item, find its 
> children and loop over them to find their children and loop over them,
etc.
> Doesn't matter how many levels deep except with respect to
performance.

I was hoping to avoid recursion, actually. I'll absorb your suggestion
though.

Since this can't nest very deeply I'm probably over thinking it and
should just go with a couple of QofQs.

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Re: Fusebox 4 Slow?

[Barney Boisvert]

Of course not, because FB is written in CFML.  If you want fast, you
use assembler.  If you've never written transactional web applications
in assembler, you're missing out.  ;)

Every framework, no matter what it does, adds overhead (usually
SIGNIFICANT overhead) to the core function of the application.  In
many cases, using the framework effectively will allow the framework
to make a pile of optimizations that return overall execution speed to
something similar to a framework-less application.  However, the
benefits of frameworks (again, of basically any type) is not in
performance, but in maintenance.

An application that is well architected is easy to maintain for anyone
who understands the architecture.  An application that is well
architected using a common framework is easy to maintain for anyone
who understands the framework, and was very likely absolved from
having to manually create a lot of boilderplate code that would have
upped the cost of initial development.

So aside from the tools that a given framework provides (whatever it
does), the framework itself becomes sort of a lingua franca for all
developers to use, greatly reducing the burden of changing development
teams, and/or sharing of source code.

However, you are correct, I can make any FB application have better
performance characteristics by ripping out the FB.  I just won't be
able to modify it tomorrow with any sort of effectiveness, and the
vast majority of applications are better served with easier
development and maintenance than runtime performance.

cheers,
barneyb

On 6/6/06, dave <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> I don't think I have ever seen a "fast" fb application
>
> ~Dave the disruptor~
>

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RE: Fusebox 4 Slow?

[Munson, Jacob]

> On 6/6/06, Munson, Jacob wrote:
> > Let's assume for a moment that I fit #1.  What time 
> estimate would you
> > give for me to be able to effictively build a FuseBox app?
> 
> That's a really good question.  It depends on a lot of different
> factors, but I'd say that for a competent CFML developer to start
> using FB effectively takes at least two full days of nothing-but-FB
> learning, quite possibly more if you've never used another development
> framework before.  Once you get the fundamentals of architecture
> (circuits, fuseactions, pre/post fuseaction, global fuseactions,
> circuit inheritance) down, along with how to implement MVC using them,
> you're well on your way.

That's not too bad, I was expecting it would be worse than that.
 
> There are training classes available to serve exactly this purpose,
> along with give you direct access to a "guru" to ask any questions you
> might have.  I've never taken one, but technical training is usually a
> good deal, even though managers usually think it's way too expensive.

I tend to agree with the managers.  :)  I'm a tight wad when it comes to
money, and I find I can usually get the same value from blogs/mailing
lists/documentation.  And the latter is free.  I will agree, however,
that having the guru's ear for a couple of days is very nice.


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Re: CF Studio 5 - Why are we still talking about this?

[dave]

next time you might not be so lucky!!

~Dave the disruptor~ 


From: Rey Bango <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Sent: Tuesday, June 06, 2006 10:02 AM
To: CF-Talk 
Subject: Re: CF Studio 5 - Why are we still talking about this? 

Thanks Massimo. Ben Nadel hooked me up the same day I posted but I 
appreciate the link. :o)

Rey...

[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
>>It went off topic day's ago. All I wanted to know was if anyone had an
>>updated set of files for tag insight and documentation.
> 
> 
> The files for Homesite+ should work just fine:
> http://download.macromedia.com/pub/coldfusion/7/hsextend/hsplus_extensions_for_cfmx7.zip
> 
> Back up your configuration first, just to be safe, and give it a try
> 
> Massimo
> 
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RE: SOT: Java code to CF

[Chad Gray]

Thanks everyone... I got it working!

I did run into a problem with this error:
"Illegal operation 'm' inside a text object"
http://www.stillhq.com/ctpfaq/2002/03/c1088.html#AEN1425

I was trying to place text where I was placing images in my code and acrobat 
did not like that.

Once I broke the text out into it's own section all works great!

This PDF stuff is pretty neat!


Chad





-Original Message-
From: Bryan Stevenson [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] 
Sent: Tuesday, June 06, 2006 3:32 PM
To: CF-Talk
Subject: Re: SOT: Java code to CF

> to create a java object in coldfusion, you need to instantiate it *AND* 
> call a valid constructor.  Coldfusion "fakes" the constructor by 
> creating an "init" method that you can call.  When you create the 
> object, you *SHOULD* already have access to its constants.. so this 
> should work, assuming you knew the classpath for BaseFont.  Which I don't.
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> Rick

.and the example I posted does it all in 1 line ;-)

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RE: cfcompile alternative

[Steve Brownlee]

I looked into this idea a while ago, Mike, and I don't believe it's
possible.  Basically what the compile.bat file is doing to compiling
your source code, just as you would if you were compiling a Java
program.  The additional parameters for the command simply adds cfx.jar
and cfmx_bootstrap.jar to the search path.  What these do is convert the
CFML into Java code - the equivalent of CLASS files.

AFAIK, there's no way to compile Java code other than calling java.exe.

-Original Message-
From: Dave Watts [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] 
Sent: Tuesday, June 06, 2006 10:22 AM
To: CF-Talk
Subject: RE: cfcompile alternative

> Does anyone have an alternative solution to calling cfcompile via a 
> cfexecute tag (i.e. by calling the compiler as an object)?
> 

Since CFCOMPILE is a batch file, that launches a Java program, I suspect
that with a little fiddling you could do that directly from within a CF
program.


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Re: Fusebox 4 Slow?

[Barney Boisvert]

On 6/6/06, Munson, Jacob <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> Let's assume for a moment that I fit #1.  What time estimate would you
> give for me to be able to effictively build a FuseBox app?

That's a really good question.  It depends on a lot of different
factors, but I'd say that for a competent CFML developer to start
using FB effectively takes at least two full days of nothing-but-FB
learning, quite possibly more if you've never used another development
framework before.  Once you get the fundamentals of architecture
(circuits, fuseactions, pre/post fuseaction, global fuseactions,
circuit inheritance) down, along with how to implement MVC using them,
you're well on your way.

Of course, there's still plugins and custom lexicons waiting in the
wings, but both are non-essential, and can certainly wait for
investigation until after you start using FB in earnest.  The first
couple applications that use FB will probably be slower and more
difficult to develop as you learn the minutiae, but after that, you
should notice a nice throughput increase.

There are training classes available to serve exactly this purpose,
along with give you direct access to a "guru" to ask any questions you
might have.  I've never taken one, but technical training is usually a
good deal, even though managers usually think it's way too expensive.

cheers,
barneyb

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Re: Moving CF Variables to registry requires a restart?

[Alan Rother]

Got it... That makes ALOT more sense.

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Re: Dynamically building nested unordered lists

[Rob Wilkerson]

Sure.  In your example, though, my concern would be that other than
the order in which you've listed the items, there's no way to tell
which element lower than level 1 is a child of which other element.
Do you have a parent ID field or some such that relates an item to its
parent item or are you relying on the query returning things in the
proper order?  The latter seems iffy to me.

But, if you have a way of knowing, then you could use simple recursion
to build your list:  Loop over each level 1 item, find its children
and loop over them to find their children and loop over them, etc.
Doesn't matter how many levels deep except with respect to
performance.

Quick pseudo-code:
FUNCTION buildNestedList ( [parent] )
 get elements of the specified parent (default to no parent)
 FOR each element
  write "UL"
  write "LI"
  write element title
  IF element has children
   call buildNestedList ( currentElement )
  END IF
  write "/LI"
  write "/UL"
 END FOR
END FUNCTION

This was done very quickly, but may give you enough to work with.

On 6/6/06, Everett, Al (NIH/NIGMS) [C] <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> Okay, I know that this should be relatively simple, and, in fact, in a
> previous job I did something similar, but I cannot for the life of me
> figure out how to do it.
>
> My query result looks like this:
>
> LVLTITLE
> 1  Title1
> 2Subtitle1
> 1Title2
> 1Title3
> 2Subtitle2
> 2Subtitle3
> 3Subsubtitle1
> 1Title4
>
> And I want to turn it into this:
>
> 
> 
> Title1
> 
> Subtitle1
> 
> 
> 
> Title2
> 
> 
> Title3
> 
> Subtitle2
> 
> Subtitle3
> 
> Subsubtitle1
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> Title4
> 
> 
>
>
> The data doesn't support a "level" higher than 3, so the list cannot
> nest further than that.
>
> Anybody ever done anything similar?
>
> 

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Re: SOT: Java code to CF

[Bryan Stevenson]

> to create a java object in coldfusion, you need to instantiate it *AND* 
> call a valid constructor.  Coldfusion "fakes" the constructor by 
> creating an "init" method that you can call.  When you create the 
> object, you *SHOULD* already have access to its constants.. so this 
> should work, assuming you knew the classpath for BaseFont.  Which I don't.
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> Rick

and the example I posted does it all in 1 line ;-)

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RE: Fusebox 4 Slow?

[dave]

I don't think I have ever seen a "fast" fb application

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RE: Fusebox Books

[Munson, Jacob]

I've got "Advanced Macromedia ColdFusion MX 7 Application Development"
(what at title!), by Ben Forta and a gang of other folks.  It's a pretty
good book.  I just wish I had CFWACK because there's a lot of stuff not
covered in my book.  I think it's because the two books are supposed to
be companions, so for the most part what's in one is not in the other.

> -Original Message-
> From: Bruce Sorge [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] 
> Sent: Tuesday, June 06, 2006 10:38 AM
> 
> Hello,
> I am going to go back into the contract programming world and 
> I want to
> update my CF skills to include Fusebox. Are there any good 
> books that anyone
> on the list can recommend that I should get? And what about 
> advanced CF
> books? What do you all recommend for that as well? I already 
> have Ben's
> CFWACK for version MX and 7.

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