ColdFusion Builder and remote debugging

2010-03-26 Thread Andrew Scott

 

I would so love to blog about this, but before I do I want to hear about
others who have done or tried the same thing,

 

Scenario: I am running a vmware running ColdFusion Builder which is
essential another machine with different IP. Trying to connect to the host
or another IP with debugging.

 

Problem: The problem is that the debugger says that I need to set the
debugger mappings and to visit the server wizard. What is the server wizard,
I assume that this is the server settings. So when I visit this I find
nothing about debugger mappings. So I figure it has to be the url mappings
it means.

 

So as I have a shared connection I set this up to have the server point to
the root of the project and the local (the host or remote machine) to point
to the mapped connection. But it still will not break the line debugger.

 

Anyone tried this?

 

Have some ideas I can try?

 

Regards

Andrew Scott

 



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Re: ColdFusion Builder and remote debugging

2010-03-26 Thread Azadi Saryev

 debugger mappings are under Window-Preferences-Coldfusion-Debug Mappings

i however have not set them up or played with them as my cf and cfb are
on the same server...

Azadi

On 26/03/2010 18:07, Andrew Scott wrote:
  

 I would so love to blog about this, but before I do I want to hear about
 others who have done or tried the same thing,

  

 Scenario: I am running a vmware running ColdFusion Builder which is
 essential another machine with different IP. Trying to connect to the host
 or another IP with debugging.

  

 Problem: The problem is that the debugger says that I need to set the
 debugger mappings and to visit the server wizard. What is the server wizard,
 I assume that this is the server settings. So when I visit this I find
 nothing about debugger mappings. So I figure it has to be the url mappings
 it means.

  

 So as I have a shared connection I set this up to have the server point to
 the root of the project and the local (the host or remote machine) to point
 to the mapped connection. But it still will not break the line debugger.

  

 Anyone tried this?

  

 Have some ideas I can try?

  

 Regards

 Andrew Scott

  



 

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RE: ColdFusion Builder and remote debugging

2010-03-26 Thread Andrew Scott

Ok that is the same mappings I setup in the server, even though it didn't
have server mappings it still is not letting me debug even though I set this
up right



-Original Message-
From: Azadi Saryev [mailto:azadi.sar...@gmail.com] 
Sent: Friday, 26 March 2010 9:21 PM
To: cf-talk
Subject: Re: ColdFusion Builder and remote debugging


 debugger mappings are under Window-Preferences-Coldfusion-Debug Mappings

i however have not set them up or played with them as my cf and cfb are
on the same server...

Azadi


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Re: FlashBuilder and Colfusion builder

2010-03-26 Thread Cameron Childress

On Fri, Mar 26, 2010 at 1:21 AM, Paul Kukiel pkuk...@gmail.com wrote:
 If I have FlexBuilder 3 Pro and I want FlashBuilder 4 Premium for $299 do I
 get the upgrade to FB4 Premium and also a ColdFusion Builder license?

If you choose to buy FB4, you will have both CFB and FB4 as separate
download options after checkout.  I just bought it and went though
this yesterday, and it worked just fine.  They actually give you the
option to download standalone and/or plugin version of both for either
Mac or Windows.  There were several download options available after
checkout - maybe 10 or so in various product version / platform
combinations.

Just remember CFBuilder *is* a separate download.  You can install
CFBuilder as a standalone if you wish, or you can install as a plugin
to an existing Eclipse instance.  Personally I choose to install both
CFB and FB4 into the same Eclipse instance.  That effectively allows
you to switch between CF and Flex development without leaving your
IDE.

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Re: FlashBuilder and Colfusion builder

2010-03-26 Thread Cameron Childress

On Fri, Mar 26, 2010 at 7:19 AM, Cameron Childress camer...@gmail.com wrote:
 On Fri, Mar 26, 2010 at 1:21 AM, Paul Kukiel pkuk...@gmail.com wrote:
 If I have FlexBuilder 3 Pro and I want FlashBuilder 4 Premium for $299 do I
 get the upgrade to FB4 Premium and also a ColdFusion Builder license?

Actually, to further clarify, I went though the same upgrade path as
you.  I bought FB4 as an upgrade to FB3, and got CFB without incident.

-Cameron

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Re: ColdFusion Builder Released!

2010-03-26 Thread Scott Brady

On Wed, Mar 24, 2010 at 7:22 PM, Casey Dougall
ca...@uberwebsitesolutions.com wrote:

 Let me state this as simple as I can...

 Flash is DEAD unless it's on the iPhone!

 Either get it on there or it's going to be Javascript and html5 or 8 out of
 10 projects will be using javascript and html5 solutions, while Adobe goes
 down...

That's really not under Adobe's control, at this point.  Despite all
the talk from Apple about how they're working with Adobe on getting
Flash on the iPhone, and that as soon as it's both stable enough and
less power-hungry it will be, I don't think Flash will EVER be on the
iPhone.

A) I don't think Steve Jobs wants it on there.  For one thing, it can
eat into one of the things that will keep people from switching
phones: the app store. If you have Flash, then you have another way to
have applications (not bought through iTunes) on there.

B)  I think Apple believes Flash is a technology that is on its way
out.  Similar to what they've done on other products (e.g., not having
a floppy drive on the original iMac and not having an optical drive on
the Macbook Air), they're not supporting a technology that is
currently a standard but (in their eyes) has peaked and will be gone
in the future.

With B), of course, they may be making it a self-fulfilling prophecy.
Their refusal to support it on the iPhone is forcing sites to look at
alternatives (YouTube already has an HTML 5 beta version, and there
were reports this week that CBS.com was testing out an HTML 5 version
of their videos) which could quicken the abandonment of Flash.

Short of something killing the iPhone (and the new Windows Phone 7
Series phones won't help -- they also don't support Flash), I'm not
sure there's anything Adobe can do about it.

Scott

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Re: ColdFusion Builder Released!

2010-03-26 Thread Casey Dougall

On Fri, Mar 26, 2010 at 10:04 AM, Scott Brady dsbr...@gmail.com wrote:



 Short of something killing the iPhone (and the new Windows Phone 7
 Series phones won't help -- they also don't support Flash), I'm not
 sure there's anything Adobe can do about it.

 Scott


Just wondering here...

What about Developers? Is their something they could do about this? I don't
write flex or flash sites myself BUT for the growing community out there...
Isn't this something that could lead to a class action lawsuit against
platforms that don't allow flash? From the Developer Community as a whole?


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Re: ColdFusion Builder Released!

2010-03-26 Thread Scott Brady

On Fri, Mar 26, 2010 at 8:19 AM, Casey Dougall
ca...@uberwebsitesolutions.com wrote:

 What about Developers? Is their something they could do about this? I don't
 write flex or flash sites myself BUT for the growing community out there...
 Isn't this something that could lead to a class action lawsuit against
 platforms that don't allow flash? From the Developer Community as a whole?



On what grounds?  There's no legal right to have Flash on the iPhone.
Maybe you could argue anti-trust violations, but despite all the buzz
about the iPhone, it's still a relatively small percentage of the cell
phone market. Even in smartphones, it's (based on the last stats I can
find) 40%.  Large? Yes.  Enough to argue it's a monopoly?  I doubt it.
 Especially when there are plenty of choices in the market out there
(Android does support Flash).

Even if there were grounds for a lawsuit and a law firm took the case
and even if the lawsuit was successful, these types of lawsuits take
years to get through the courts. During that time, it's possible Flash
would continue to lose support, so even a successful lawsuit could be
too late to save Flash (the Microsoft antitrust case couldn't save
Netscape).  In the long run, I believe all that would be accomplished
would be a bunch of lawyers getting even richer.

Scott

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Re: ColdFusion Builder Released!

2010-03-26 Thread Dave Watts

 What happened to exporting apps into iPhone apps? Wasn't that one of the
 main highlights of Flash Builder previews?  Export your Flex/ AIR apps to
 iPhone? I tried searching their highlights page and found nothing searching
 for iPhone?

The Flash CS5 release, coming soon, lets Flash developers export to
native iPhone apps, which can then presumably be put in the App
Store and rejected for arbitrary and capricious reasons.

The AIR runtime for iPhone is also coming soon, I think, at which
point you'll be able to build Flex/AIR iPhone apps.

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Re: ColdFusion Builder Released!

2010-03-26 Thread Casey Dougall

On Fri, Mar 26, 2010 at 10:51 AM, Dave Watts dwa...@figleaf.com wrote:


 The Flash CS5 release, coming soon, lets Flash developers export to
 native iPhone apps, which can then presumably be put in the App
 Store and rejected for arbitrary and capricious reasons.

 The AIR runtime for iPhone is also coming soon, I think, at which
 point you'll be able to build Flex/AIR iPhone apps.


Oh right... Flash CS5

I don't think they use Flash in enough product names right now.

Flash Media Server
Flash Media Live Encoder
Flash Catalyst
Flash Builder
Flash CS5
Flash Light
Flash

Am I missing one?


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Re: ColdFusion Builder Released!

2010-03-26 Thread denstar

On Fri, Mar 26, 2010 at 8:19 AM, Casey Dougall wrote:
...
 Just wondering here...

 What about Developers? Is their something they could do about this? I don't
 write flex or flash sites myself BUT for the growing community out there...
 Isn't this something that could lead to a class action lawsuit against
 platforms that don't allow flash? From the Developer Community as a whole?

I think the most we can do is encourage people to buy other phones.

There's *plenty* of reasons the iPhone sucks, besides the Flash stuff.

I know I wouldn't buy one.  Not because of the tech, but because of
the politics.

Apple seems to be sliding back into the dark ages.  It's kind of sad.
They were doing so well...

:Den

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Re: ColdFusion Builder Released!

2010-03-26 Thread Phillip Duba

Not sure where you got that info, but according to this article from Gartner
last month, http://www.gartner.com/it/page.jsp?id=1306513, the iPhone is
only 14% of the overall Smartphone sales for last year. The Smartphone space
itself is only a small percentage of all cell phone purchases it also says,

Phil

On Fri, Mar 26, 2010 at 10:29 AM, Scott Brady dsbr...@gmail.com wrote:


 On Fri, Mar 26, 2010 at 8:19 AM, Casey Dougall
 ca...@uberwebsitesolutions.com wrote:
 
  What about Developers? Is their something they could do about this? I
 don't
  write flex or flash sites myself BUT for the growing community out
 there...
  Isn't this something that could lead to a class action lawsuit against
  platforms that don't allow flash? From the Developer Community as a
 whole?
 
 

 On what grounds?  There's no legal right to have Flash on the iPhone.
 Maybe you could argue anti-trust violations, but despite all the buzz
 about the iPhone, it's still a relatively small percentage of the cell
 phone market. Even in smartphones, it's (based on the last stats I can
 find) 40%.  Large? Yes.  Enough to argue it's a monopoly?  I doubt it.
  Especially when there are plenty of choices in the market out there
 (Android does support Flash).

 Even if there were grounds for a lawsuit and a law firm took the case
 and even if the lawsuit was successful, these types of lawsuits take
 years to get through the courts. During that time, it's possible Flash
 would continue to lose support, so even a successful lawsuit could be
 too late to save Flash (the Microsoft antitrust case couldn't save
 Netscape).  In the long run, I believe all that would be accomplished
 would be a bunch of lawyers getting even richer.

 Scott

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Re: ColdFusion Builder Released!

2010-03-26 Thread mac jordan

On Fri, Mar 26, 2010 at 3:12 PM, denstar valliants...@gmail.com wrote:

 There's *plenty* of reasons the iPhone sucks, besides the Flash stuff.



I *love* my iPhone - it doesn't suck at all.

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RE: ColdFusion Builder Released!

2010-03-26 Thread brad

 I think the most we can do is encourage people to buy other phones.

Well I walked out of a Sprint store with my new HTC Hero Android phone
last night so I guess I'm doin' my part   :)

~Brad






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RE: ColdFusion Builder Released!

2010-03-26 Thread Eric Roberts

It couldn't save Netscape because there was nothing to save.  Netscape was
POS at that point and that was why it lost out.  That's what happens when
the company that buys you out and then puts you on the back burner for 4
years.  IE and Netscape were pretty much nose to nose when AOL bought
Netscape.  Netscape languished in a back room at AOL while IE kept moving
forward.  It had nothing to do with any supposed bad business practices, it
was all about IE being better than it's competitors. 

I don't think this is apple saying no to flash (correct me if I am wrong)
but adobe not producing flash for it yet.  They don't even have a 64 bit
version of it for Win 7.

It's also not on the Android phones yet.

Eric

-Original Message-
From: Scott Brady [mailto:dsbr...@gmail.com] 
Sent: Friday, March 26, 2010 9:29 AM
To: cf-talk
Subject: Re: ColdFusion Builder Released!


On Fri, Mar 26, 2010 at 8:19 AM, Casey Dougall
ca...@uberwebsitesolutions.com wrote:

 What about Developers? Is their something they could do about this? I
don't
 write flex or flash sites myself BUT for the growing community out
there...
 Isn't this something that could lead to a class action lawsuit against
 platforms that don't allow flash? From the Developer Community as a whole?



On what grounds?  There's no legal right to have Flash on the iPhone.
Maybe you could argue anti-trust violations, but despite all the buzz
about the iPhone, it's still a relatively small percentage of the cell
phone market. Even in smartphones, it's (based on the last stats I can
find) 40%.  Large? Yes.  Enough to argue it's a monopoly?  I doubt it.
 Especially when there are plenty of choices in the market out there
(Android does support Flash).

Even if there were grounds for a lawsuit and a law firm took the case
and even if the lawsuit was successful, these types of lawsuits take
years to get through the courts. During that time, it's possible Flash
would continue to lose support, so even a successful lawsuit could be
too late to save Flash (the Microsoft antitrust case couldn't save
Netscape).  In the long run, I believe all that would be accomplished
would be a bunch of lawyers getting even richer.

Scott

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Re: ColdFusion Builder Released!

2010-03-26 Thread Casey Dougall

On Fri, Mar 26, 2010 at 11:15 AM, mac jordan mac.jor...@gmail.com wrote:


 On Fri, Mar 26, 2010 at 3:12 PM, denstar valliants...@gmail.com wrote:

  There's *plenty* of reasons the iPhone sucks, besides the Flash stuff.



 I *love* my iPhone - it doesn't suck at all.


+1 Although I still need to get down to Apple store to replace my cracked
screen...

One of these days...

But with the iPod, it's yet another device that looks up to the task of
running flash.

boo!


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Re: ColdFusion Builder Released!

2010-03-26 Thread Dave Watts

 I don't think this is apple saying no to flash (correct me if I am wrong)
 but adobe not producing flash for it yet.

No, this is Apple saying no to Flash. Adobe's had it for a while now,
but it's an obvious competitor to the App Store, so Apple has no
incentive to allow it.

 It's also not on the Android phones yet.

Some Android phones have had Flash and/or Flash Lite for a while. FP
10.1 is coming out soon for the rest of them.

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RE: ColdFusion Builder Released!

2010-03-26 Thread Mark A. Kruger

Yes... a small stake in a small segment - and I-phones have a very specific
demographic - trending younger and upwardly mobile (which really means they
think credit and cash are synonyms - ha). Such a demographic is attractive
to be sure. It seems larger to us because as tech savvy early adapters with
high income we tend to see a higher percentage of such gadgets in our
immediate circle. 

I would add that business (where a high percentage of smart phones live) has
a stake in Blackberry - because they backstop it with server technology.
That makes it pretty entrenched and hard to dislodge - not that Apple has
ever done squat to try and attract corporate IT :)  Google is going to make
a dent on that side as well I think because of the high profile with server
and ent development (enterprise... not the tree thingy).

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From: Phillip Duba [mailto:phild...@gmail.com] 
Sent: Friday, March 26, 2010 9:45 AM
To: cf-talk
Subject: Re: ColdFusion Builder Released!


Not sure where you got that info, but according to this article from Gartner
last month, http://www.gartner.com/it/page.jsp?id=1306513, the iPhone is
only 14% of the overall Smartphone sales for last year. The Smartphone space
itself is only a small percentage of all cell phone purchases it also says,

Phil

On Fri, Mar 26, 2010 at 10:29 AM, Scott Brady dsbr...@gmail.com wrote:


 On Fri, Mar 26, 2010 at 8:19 AM, Casey Dougall
 ca...@uberwebsitesolutions.com wrote:
 
  What about Developers? Is their something they could do about this? I
 don't
  write flex or flash sites myself BUT for the growing community out
 there...
  Isn't this something that could lead to a class action lawsuit against
  platforms that don't allow flash? From the Developer Community as a
 whole?
 
 

 On what grounds?  There's no legal right to have Flash on the iPhone.
 Maybe you could argue anti-trust violations, but despite all the buzz
 about the iPhone, it's still a relatively small percentage of the cell
 phone market. Even in smartphones, it's (based on the last stats I can
 find) 40%.  Large? Yes.  Enough to argue it's a monopoly?  I doubt it.
  Especially when there are plenty of choices in the market out there
 (Android does support Flash).

 Even if there were grounds for a lawsuit and a law firm took the case
 and even if the lawsuit was successful, these types of lawsuits take
 years to get through the courts. During that time, it's possible Flash
 would continue to lose support, so even a successful lawsuit could be
 too late to save Flash (the Microsoft antitrust case couldn't save
 Netscape).  In the long run, I believe all that would be accomplished
 would be a bunch of lawyers getting even richer.

 Scott

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Re: ColdFusion Builder Released!

2010-03-26 Thread Dave Watts

 I *love* my iPhone - it doesn't suck at all.

The strict control of the App Store does suck. The fact that you can't
have a native Google Voice app because it might affect ATTs profit
sucks. The fact that Apple can remove or block apps from the App Store
for any reason they like sucks.

The iPhone vision of the mobile Internet’s future omits controversy,
sex, and freedom, but includes strict limits on who can know what and
who can say what. It’s a sterile Disney-fied walled garden surrounded
by sharp-toothed lawyers. The people who create the apps serve at the
landlord’s pleasure and fear his anger.

- Tim Bray
http://www.tbray.org/ongoing/When/201x/2010/03/15/Joining-Google

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Re: ColdFusion Builder Released!

2010-03-26 Thread Les Mizzell

My Blackberry keeps my happy.

Just saying


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RE: ColdFusion Builder Released!

2010-03-26 Thread brad

 I don't think this is apple saying no to flash (correct me if I am wrong)
 but adobe not producing flash for it yet. 

Gladly.  When I was at Max 2008 Adobe said he had Flash working on the
iPhone and they were simply awaiting approval from the head chef
(Apple).  That was a year and a half ago!  I don't think Adobe's been
dropping the ball on this one.

 It's also not on the Android phones yet.

What - Flash isn't on the Android phones?  I just got me on of them
Android phones last night (HTC Hero) and it most definitely has flash in
the browser.
Where are you getting your info from?

~Brad



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Re: ColdFusion Builder Released!

2010-03-26 Thread Dave Watts

 What - Flash isn't on the Android phones?  I just got me on of them
 Android phones last night (HTC Hero) and it most definitely has flash in
 the browser.

Some Android phones have Flash, others don't. HTC has their own
in-house Flash player which is based on Flash Lite, I think. HTC has
all sorts of goodies that aren't part of a stock Android phone. FP
10.1 will be released soon for Android 2.1 phones, like the Nexus One,
HTC Incredible and HTC Supersonic, and upgrades from earlier Android
versions are slowly becoming available for some phones, like the
Droid.

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http://training.figleaf.com/

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(ot) email confirm

2010-03-26 Thread Orlini, Robert

Sorry folks a little off topic here, but I'm not good at javascript.

I have this email confirm code that tells me I need to enter a valid email, but 
then still sends me to the next form which generates an error because of no 
email address. 

The problem seems to be in this section not stopping the submission so that the 
user can enter a valid email

---
if (goodEmail){
   good = true
} else {
   alert('Please enter a valid e-mail address.')
   field.focus()
   field.select()
   good = false
  }
}
---

Any help appreciated.

RO
HWW

The full code is below:

var good;
function checkEmailAddress(field) {

// Note: The next expression must be all on one line...
//   allow no spaces, linefeeds, or carriage returns!
var goodEmail = 
field.value.match(/\b(^(\S+@).+((\.com)|(\.net)|(\.edu)|(\.mil)|(\.gov)|(\.org)|(\..{2,2}))$)\b/gi);

if (goodEmail){
   good = true
} else {
   alert('Please enter a valid e-mail address.')
   field.focus()
   field.select()
   good = false
  }
}

function sendOff(){
   
   checkEmailAddress(document.TheForm.email)
   if ((document.TheForm.email.value ==
document.TheForm.email2.value)(good)){
  // This is where you put your action
  // if name and email addresses are good.
  // We show an alert box, here; but you can
  window.location= 'http://192.29.16.25/oclc/forms/oclc_3.cfm'
  // to call a subsequent html page, 
  // or a Perl script, etc.
 // alert(Name and email address fields verified good.)
   } 
   if ((document.TheForm.email.value !=
  document.TheForm.email2.value)(good)){
  alert('Both e-mail address entries must match.')
   }
}
/script


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Re: (ot) email confirm

2010-03-26 Thread Dorioo

Aside: Are you only doing client validation? You really, really should
be doing server validation and adding the javascript as sprinkles on
top.

- Gabriel

On Fri, Mar 26, 2010 at 11:53 AM, Orlini, Robert rorl...@hwwilson.com wrote:

 Sorry folks a little off topic here, but I'm not good at javascript.

 I have this email confirm code that tells me I need to enter a valid email, 
 but then still sends me to the next form which generates an error because of 
 no email address.

 The problem seems to be in this section not stopping the submission so that 
 the user can enter a valid email

 ---
 if (goodEmail){
   good = true
 } else {
   alert('Please enter a valid e-mail address.')
   field.focus()
   field.select()
   good = false
      }
 }
 ---

 Any help appreciated.

 RO
 HWW

 The full code is below:

 var good;
 function checkEmailAddress(field) {

 // Note: The next expression must be all on one line...
 //       allow no spaces, linefeeds, or carriage returns!
 var goodEmail = 
 field.value.match(/\b(^(\S+@).+((\.com)|(\.net)|(\.edu)|(\.mil)|(\.gov)|(\.org)|(\..{2,2}))$)\b/gi);

 if (goodEmail){
   good = true
 } else {
   alert('Please enter a valid e-mail address.')
   field.focus()
   field.select()
   good = false
      }
 }

 function sendOff(){

   checkEmailAddress(document.TheForm.email)
   if ((document.TheForm.email.value ==
        document.TheForm.email2.value)(good)){
      // This is where you put your action
      // if name and email addresses are good.
      // We show an alert box, here; but you can
      window.location= 'http://192.29.16.25/oclc/forms/oclc_3.cfm'
      // to call a subsequent html page,
      // or a Perl script, etc.
     // alert(Name and email address fields verified good.)
   }
   if ((document.TheForm.email.value !=
          document.TheForm.email2.value)(good)){
          alert('Both e-mail address entries must match.')
   }
 }
 /script


 

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cfschedule help

2010-03-26 Thread daniel kessler

I'm trying to get cfschedule to send out an email.  I've checked out a few 
tutorials and I don't see the problem I'm having.

I have a page to set the cfschedule and it contains:
cfschedule 
action=update 
task=facilities_daily_notification 
interval=60 
operation=httprequest 
startdate=#now()# 
starttime=#now()# 

url=http://sph.umd.edu/home/facilities_request/email/daily_notifcation.cfm;



The daily_notification.cfm page contains:

cftry
cfmail 
TO = dani...@umd.edu FROM = Daniel Kesslerdani...@umd.edu 
SUBJECT = Email Notification Test TIMEOUT = 30  failto = dani...@umd.edu

Hey man, good morning!  So I guess this thing works...
/cfmail

cfcatch type=any
There was a problem sending the message to the mail server.  Please try again 
later.br
cfoutput
#cfcatch.Message# br
(#cfcatch.type#)
/cfoutput
cfabort
/cfcatch
/cftry



I've tried the daily_notification.cfm page and it sends an email if I just run 
that, but I can't get it to run as a scheduled task.

help?!


thanks.


daniel 

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RE: (ot) email confirm

2010-03-26 Thread Robert Harrison

You know you can just use CFFORM and set that field to CFINPUT, then add
Validate=email and Message=must be a valid email address. 


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RE: ColdFusion Builder Released!

2010-03-26 Thread Andy Matthews

Dave...

Where did you get the information about the AIR runtime coming soon for the
iPhone?


andy 

-Original Message-
From: Dave Watts [mailto:dwa...@figleaf.com] 
Sent: Friday, March 26, 2010 9:51 AM
To: cf-talk
Subject: Re: ColdFusion Builder Released!


 What happened to exporting apps into iPhone apps? Wasn't that one of 
 the main highlights of Flash Builder previews?  Export your Flex/ AIR 
 apps to iPhone? I tried searching their highlights page and found 
 nothing searching for iPhone?

The Flash CS5 release, coming soon, lets Flash developers export to native
iPhone apps, which can then presumably be put in the App Store and rejected
for arbitrary and capricious reasons.

The AIR runtime for iPhone is also coming soon, I think, at which point
you'll be able to build Flex/AIR iPhone apps.

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http://www.figleaf.com/
http://training.figleaf.com/

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RE: ColdFusion Builder Released!

2010-03-26 Thread Eric Roberts

Isn't that a 2.1 update on the Android phones?  I forget the reason why...I
know there is a beta of 10.1 on adobe's site.  I wasn't aware that Apple was
blocking it...no surprise.  It's one of the many reasons I would never own
an Apple product.

Eric

-Original Message-
From: Dave Watts [mailto:dwa...@figleaf.com] 
Sent: Friday, March 26, 2010 10:27 AM
To: cf-talk
Subject: Re: ColdFusion Builder Released!


 I don't think this is apple saying no to flash (correct me if I am wrong)
 but adobe not producing flash for it yet.

No, this is Apple saying no to Flash. Adobe's had it for a while now,
but it's an obvious competitor to the App Store, so Apple has no
incentive to allow it.

 It's also not on the Android phones yet.

Some Android phones have had Flash and/or Flash Lite for a while. FP
10.1 is coming out soon for the rest of them.

Dave Watts, CTO, Fig Leaf Software
http://www.figleaf.com/
http://training.figleaf.com/

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RE: ColdFusion Builder Released!

2010-03-26 Thread Eric Roberts

I am thinking it must be a 2.1 thing then...Droids are still on 2.0.

Eric

-Original Message-
From: b...@bradwood.com [mailto:b...@bradwood.com] 
Sent: Friday, March 26, 2010 10:37 AM
To: cf-talk
Subject: RE: ColdFusion Builder Released!


 I don't think this is apple saying no to flash (correct me if I am wrong)
 but adobe not producing flash for it yet. 

Gladly.  When I was at Max 2008 Adobe said he had Flash working on the
iPhone and they were simply awaiting approval from the head chef
(Apple).  That was a year and a half ago!  I don't think Adobe's been
dropping the ball on this one.

 It's also not on the Android phones yet.

What - Flash isn't on the Android phones?  I just got me on of them
Android phones last night (HTC Hero) and it most definitely has flash in
the browser.
Where are you getting your info from?

~Brad





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ReCaptcha service changes!

2010-03-26 Thread Jeff Gladnick

We're using cfReCaptcha and got the following message.  Anyone else receive 
this email?


Dear reCAPTCHA Customer,

As part of moving reCAPTCHA to the Google infrastructure, the IP addresses of 
api-verify.recaptcha.net have changed. Nearly all our customers were 
automatically moved to the new IP addresses through DNS 
(http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Domain_Name_System). However, our logs indicate 
that your server is not respecting the DNS change and is still resolving our 
verification url to the old IP addresses, which will be decommissioned next 
Friday (April 2). 

*** If your server does not update its DNS records by April 2, reCAPTCHA will 
stop working on your site. ***

The most likely cause for having stale DNS records is that you use Java to 
verify reCAPTCHA solutions, which by default caches DNS forever. Here are some 
instructions on how to fix this: 
http://wiki.recaptcha.net/index.php/Overview#Important:_DNS_Caching  

If you are not using Java, your DNS resolver most likely has a bug. We 
recommend you switch to: http://code.google.com/speed/public-dns/

For your information, the following IP addresses will be decommissioned on 
April 2:

64.34.251.144/28 (64.34.251.144 - 64.34.251.159) 
69.12.97.160/27 (69.12.97.160 - 69.12.97.191) 
87.233.189.0/27 (87.233.189.0 - 87.233.189.31) 
Cheers,
--The reCAPTCHA Team

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RE: ReCaptcha service changes!

2010-03-26 Thread Gaulin, Mark

Restart ColdFusion... Java caches host-to-IP address stuff for a long
time.
Thanks
Mark

-Original Message-
From: Jeff Gladnick [mailto:jeff.gladn...@gmail.com] 
Sent: Friday, March 26, 2010 12:36 PM
To: cf-talk
Subject: ReCaptcha service changes!


We're using cfReCaptcha and got the following message.  Anyone else
receive this email?


Dear reCAPTCHA Customer,

As part of moving reCAPTCHA to the Google infrastructure, the IP
addresses of api-verify.recaptcha.net have changed. Nearly all our
customers were automatically moved to the new IP addresses through DNS
(http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Domain_Name_System). However, our logs
indicate that your server is not respecting the DNS change and is still
resolving our verification url to the old IP addresses, which will be
decommissioned next Friday (April 2). 

*** If your server does not update its DNS records by April 2, reCAPTCHA
will stop working on your site. ***

The most likely cause for having stale DNS records is that you use Java
to verify reCAPTCHA solutions, which by default caches DNS forever. Here
are some instructions on how to fix this:
http://wiki.recaptcha.net/index.php/Overview#Important:_DNS_Caching  

If you are not using Java, your DNS resolver most likely has a bug. We
recommend you switch to: http://code.google.com/speed/public-dns/

For your information, the following IP addresses will be decommissioned
on April 2:

64.34.251.144/28 (64.34.251.144 - 64.34.251.159)
69.12.97.160/27 (69.12.97.160 - 69.12.97.191)
87.233.189.0/27 (87.233.189.0 - 87.233.189.31) Cheers, --The reCAPTCHA
Team

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Re: ColdFusion Builder Released!

2010-03-26 Thread Dave Watts

 Where did you get the information about the AIR runtime coming soon for the
 iPhone?

That's a good question. I was sure I'd seen something like that in one
of the feeds I read, but can't find it now.

Dave Watts, CTO, Fig Leaf Software
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RE: ColdFusion Builder Released!

2010-03-26 Thread Andy Matthews

I believe I'd heard about AIR for Android devices, but I'd be utterly
shocked if AIR made it to the iPhone. That sort of goes against their terms,
stating that additional runtimes may not be included.


andy 

-Original Message-
From: Dave Watts [mailto:dwa...@figleaf.com] 
Sent: Friday, March 26, 2010 11:56 AM
To: cf-talk
Subject: Re: ColdFusion Builder Released!


 Where did you get the information about the AIR runtime coming soon 
 for the iPhone?

That's a good question. I was sure I'd seen something like that in one of
the feeds I read, but can't find it now.

Dave Watts, CTO, Fig Leaf Software
http://www.figleaf.com/
http://training.figleaf.com/

Fig Leaf Software is a Veteran-Owned Small Business (VOSB) on GSA Schedule,
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Re: ColdFusion Builder Released!

2010-03-26 Thread Judah McAuley

Apple is blocking it, yes, but they also have some very valid points
about the stability and performance of the Flash player. Flash player
is pretty good on Windows and yet it is still the almost the sole
cause of my memory leaks in Firefox.  Install Firefox with no other
plugins, head to a flash site like Pandora, leave it open and watch
your memory usage crawl up.

I'm not a Mac user, currently, but my friends who are admit that Flash
is a leading cause of slowness and crashes under OS X. Apple claims
that the performance and stability just aren't there for Flash on the
iPhone OS. I'm sure that part of it is definitely politics and control
issues by Apple but I also believe that Adobe is doing themselves no
favors with the performance and stability issues I've already seen.

Adobe claims that it is making performance and stability on
non-Windows OSes a priority in Flash 10.1 so we'll see how they do.
Hopefully they'll get it nailed and the stability and performance
claims will become a moot point as I'd love to see Flash on every OS.

Judah

On Fri, Mar 26, 2010 at 9:30 AM, Eric Roberts
ow...@threeravensconsulting.com wrote:

 Isn't that a 2.1 update on the Android phones?  I forget the reason why...I
 know there is a beta of 10.1 on adobe's site.  I wasn't aware that Apple was
 blocking it...no surprise.  It's one of the many reasons I would never own
 an Apple product.

 E

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Re: cfschedule help

2010-03-26 Thread Mike Chabot

Are you aware that you can schedule tasks using a nice GUI from inside
of ColdFusion Administrator?

The problem might be related to setting the start time to now(), since
the CF scheduler is checked for new jobs to process on an interval
basis, not on a continual basis. Try scheduling the execution time for
20 minutes in the future to see if those emails go out.

Scheduling a task to run now isn't much of a schedule. Schedule
implies that it happens in the future. Why not run the email code
inline? If you have a predefined scheduled task that you want to run
on an ad-hoc basis, you can pass in action=run and skip those other
parameters.

-Mike Chabot

On Fri, Mar 26, 2010 at 11:53 AM, daniel kessler dani...@umd.edu wrote:

 I'm trying to get cfschedule to send out an email.  I've checked out a few 
 tutorials and I don't see the problem I'm having.

 I have a page to set the cfschedule and it contains:
 cfschedule
        action=update
        task=facilities_daily_notification
        interval=60
        operation=httprequest
        startdate=#now()#
        starttime=#now()#
        
 url=http://sph.umd.edu/home/facilities_request/email/daily_notifcation.cfm;



 The daily_notification.cfm page contains:

 cftry
        cfmail
                TO = dani...@umd.edu FROM = Daniel 
 Kesslerdani...@umd.edu SUBJECT = Email Notification Test TIMEOUT = 30  
 failto = dani...@umd.edu

 Hey man, good morning!  So I guess this thing works...
        /cfmail

        cfcatch type=any
 There was a problem sending the message to the mail server.  Please try again 
 later.br
                cfoutput
                        #cfcatch.Message# br
                        (#cfcatch.type#)
                /cfoutput
                cfabort
        /cfcatch
 /cftry



 I've tried the daily_notification.cfm page and it sends an email if I just 
 run that, but I can't get it to run as a scheduled task.

 help?!


 thanks.


 daniel

 

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Re: cfschedule help

2010-03-26 Thread Casey Dougall

On Fri, Mar 26, 2010 at 11:53 AM, daniel kessler dani...@umd.edu wrote:


 I'm trying to get cfschedule to send out an email.  I've checked out a few
 tutorials and I don't see the problem I'm having.

 I have a page to set the cfschedule and it contains:
 cfschedule
action=update
task=facilities_daily_notification
interval=60
operation=httprequest
startdate=#now()#
starttime=#now()#
url=
 http://sph.umd.edu/home/facilities_request/email/daily_notifcation.cfm;
 


Try 61 seconds... You can't set a schedule to run every 60 seconds.


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RE: ColdFusion Builder Released!

2010-03-26 Thread Rick Faircloth

Hmmm...but it's Apple's phone, Dave.

And, like CFBuilder and Adobe, they can do anything they like with it.
Restricting builders and suppliers has always been the hallmark of Apple,
for good and for ill to the company and their customers.

You seem to have a very strong opinion about Apple's handling of their
product, but you don't allow the same for others who have a very strong
opinion about Adobe's handling of CFBuilder.

You're not being very rational about this situation, Dave.  Apple
should only do what is in the best interest of Apple.  They're not in
business for their customers, but only what they can get from them.

Rick


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Sent: Friday, March 26, 2010 11:31 AM
To: cf-talk
Subject: Re: ColdFusion Builder Released!


 I *love* my iPhone - it doesn't suck at all.

The strict control of the App Store does suck. The fact that you can't
have a native Google Voice app because it might affect ATTs profit
sucks. The fact that Apple can remove or block apps from the App Store
for any reason they like sucks.

The iPhone vision of the mobile Internet's future omits controversy,
sex, and freedom, but includes strict limits on who can know what and
who can say what. It's a sterile Disney-fied walled garden surrounded
by sharp-toothed lawyers. The people who create the apps serve at the
landlord's pleasure and fear his anger.

- Tim Bray
http://www.tbray.org/ongoing/When/201x/2010/03/15/Joining-Google

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404 and CFCHART Problem

2010-03-26 Thread Robert Harrison

Can't believe this bit me, but...

In a previous thread I was asking about getting a custom 404.cfm to display
on missing .cfm pages. Got that working. 

In that thread someone mentioned it could cause a problem with CFchart
because it references some kind of page that doesn't exists, and I'd have to
make a fake page if I used it. I can't find that thread, but now I'm having
exactly that problem. G!

Does anyone know what I can do to fix a CFchart problem when we have a
sitewide 404 applied for .cfm pages? 

I know someone said it, but I can't remember it and can't find it now.

Thanks,
Robert




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Re: ColdFusion Builder Released!

2010-03-26 Thread Dave Watts

 Hmmm...but it's Apple's phone, Dave.

 And, like CFBuilder and Adobe, they can do anything they like with it.
 Restricting builders and suppliers has always been the hallmark of Apple,
 for good and for ill to the company and their customers.

 You seem to have a very strong opinion about Apple's handling of their
 product, but you don't allow the same for others who have a very strong
 opinion about Adobe's handling of CFBuilder.

 You're not being very rational about this situation, Dave.  Apple
 should only do what is in the best interest of Apple.  They're not in
 business for their customers, but only what they can get from them.

For some reason, I expect programmers to have a better grasp of logic
than they do, and I am constantly disappointed. That is, apparently,
irrational behavior.

I am not advising Apple to change their behavior. To the extent that
I'm advising anyone to do anything, I'm advising people who might buy
Apple products that they might be better served by buying other
products instead. I don't disagree with Apple's right to do whatever
they like with their products, and if I was Steve Jobs I'd probably do
the exact same thing, because it's a sensible business decision. It's
also a sensible decision for me not to voluntarily enter their walled
garden, since better and freer alternatives exist.

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http://www.figleaf.com/
http://training.figleaf.com/

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Re: 404 and CFCHART Problem

2010-03-26 Thread Dave Watts

 In a previous thread I was asking about getting a custom 404.cfm to display
 on missing .cfm pages. Got that working.

 In that thread someone mentioned it could cause a problem with CFchart
 because it references some kind of page that doesn't exists, and I'd have to
 make a fake page if I used it. I can't find that thread, but now I'm having
 exactly that problem. G!

 Does anyone know what I can do to fix a CFchart problem when we have a
 sitewide 404 applied for .cfm pages?

 I know someone said it, but I can't remember it and can't find it now.

Capture the name of the file it's looking for, and create it. I think
it's /CFIDE/GraphData.cfm, but am not entirely sure. The file doesn't
need to have anything in it.

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http://training.figleaf.com/

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RE: (ot) email confirm

2010-03-26 Thread Orlini, Robert

Thank you Robert and Dorioo. CFForm did the trick.

RO
HWW

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Sent: Friday, March 26, 2010 11:59am
To: cf-talk cf-talk@houseoffusion.com
Subject: RE: (ot) email confirm


You know you can just use CFFORM and set that field to CFINPUT, then add
Validate=email and Message=must be a valid email address. 


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Re: cfschedule help

2010-03-26 Thread daniel kessler

Are you aware that you can schedule tasks using a nice GUI from inside
of ColdFusion Administrator?

It's a centralized server so I don't have access to the Administrator.

The problem might be related to setting the start time to now(), since
the CF scheduler is checked for new jobs to process on an interval
basis, not on a continual basis. Try scheduling the execution time for
20 minutes in the future to see if those emails go out.

Scheduling a task to run now isn't much of a schedule. Schedule
implies that it happens in the future. Why not run the email code
inline?

It needs to send an email out daily.  I want it to start now and then each day 
send out another.  I had it set to 60 seconds to test it as I didn't want to 
wait a day to find that I did it wrong and it failed.  I've changed that to 120 
seconds and it didn't work.  I don't understand why there would be a problem 
with starting now() though.  However, I changed the start_time to this:

cfset start_date = createDate(year(now()),month(now()),day(now()))
cfset start_time = createTime(hour(now()),minute(now())+10,second(now()))

cfschedule 
action=update 
task=facilities_daily_notification 
interval=120 
operation=httprequest 
startdate=#start_date# 
starttime=#start_time# 

url=http://sph.umd.edu/home/facilities_request/email/daily_notifcation.cfm;


It doesn't seem to have worked.  Is there a problem with the code?  I've asked 
and cfschedule is enabled. 

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Re: cfschedule help

2010-03-26 Thread daniel kessler

Try 61 seconds... You can't set a schedule to run every 60 seconds.

good to know, thanks.  I set it to 120 with no effect.  See my reply above, 
please, for the full code. 

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Re: cfschedule help

2010-03-26 Thread daniel kessler

Maybe the problem is the way that I'm designating start-date and start time.  
This code:
cfset start_date = createDate(year(now()),month(now()),day(now()))
cfset start_time = createTime(hour(now()),minute(now())+10,second(now()))

produces:
{ts '2010-03-26 00:00:00'}
{ts '1899-12-30 14:28:29'}


The time on the bottom looks wrong.  The14:28:29 looks right, but not the 
1899-12-30.  I'm trying to look up what that is now. 

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RE: 404 and CFCHART Problem

2010-03-26 Thread Robert Harrison

Thank you Dave.  

That fixed it.


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-Original Message-
From: Dave Watts [mailto:dwa...@figleaf.com] 
Sent: Friday, March 26, 2010 1:47 PM
To: cf-talk
Subject: Re: 404 and CFCHART Problem


 In a previous thread I was asking about getting a custom 404.cfm to
display
 on missing .cfm pages. Got that working.

 In that thread someone mentioned it could cause a problem with CFchart
 because it references some kind of page that doesn't exists, and I'd have
to
 make a fake page if I used it. I can't find that thread, but now I'm
having
 exactly that problem. G!

 Does anyone know what I can do to fix a CFchart problem when we have a
 sitewide 404 applied for .cfm pages?

 I know someone said it, but I can't remember it and can't find it now.

Capture the name of the file it's looking for, and create it. I think
it's /CFIDE/GraphData.cfm, but am not entirely sure. The file doesn't
need to have anything in it.

Dave Watts, CTO, Fig Leaf Software
http://www.figleaf.com/
http://training.figleaf.com/

Fig Leaf Software is a Veteran-Owned Small Business (VOSB) on
GSA Schedule, and provides the highest caliber vendor-authorized
instruction at our training centers, online, or onsite.



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RE: ColdFusion Builder Released!

2010-03-26 Thread Rick Faircloth

And, in the same way:

I don't disagree with Apple's (Adobe's) right to do whatever they like with
their products,
and if I was Steve Jobs (Adobe) I'd probably do the exact same thing,
because it's a sensible business decision. It's also a sensible decision for
me
not to voluntarily enter their walled garden ( or land of too-high-a-price
for too little benefit),
since better and freer alternatives exist.

But, you did express an emotional, not rational, response to Apple's
decision-making...

 The strict control of the App Store does suck. The fact that you can't
 have a native Google Voice app because it might affect ATTs profit
 sucks. The fact that Apple can remove or block apps from the App Store
 for any reason they like sucks.

Now that doesn't sounds suspiciously like an emotional, rather than
rational, response, Dave...
Your choice is to buy it or don't buy it...

 For some reason, I expect programmers to have a better grasp of logic
(response to business rationale)
 than they do, and I am constantly disappointed.

However, based on the first paragraph, I think we're in complete agreement.

Whoa! :o)

Rick



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From: Dave Watts [mailto:dwa...@figleaf.com] 
Sent: Friday, March 26, 2010 1:45 PM
To: cf-talk
Subject: Re: ColdFusion Builder Released!


 Hmmm...but it's Apple's phone, Dave.

 And, like CFBuilder and Adobe, they can do anything they like with it.
 Restricting builders and suppliers has always been the hallmark of Apple,
 for good and for ill to the company and their customers.

 You seem to have a very strong opinion about Apple's handling of their
 product, but you don't allow the same for others who have a very strong
 opinion about Adobe's handling of CFBuilder.

 You're not being very rational about this situation, Dave.  Apple
 should only do what is in the best interest of Apple.  They're not in
 business for their customers, but only what they can get from them.

For some reason, I expect programmers to have a better grasp of logic
than they do, and I am constantly disappointed. That is, apparently,
irrational behavior.

I am not advising Apple to change their behavior. To the extent that
I'm advising anyone to do anything, I'm advising people who might buy
Apple products that they might be better served by buying other
products instead. I don't disagree with Apple's right to do whatever
they like with their products, and if I was Steve Jobs I'd probably do
the exact same thing, because it's a sensible business decision. It's
also a sensible decision for me not to voluntarily enter their walled
garden, since better and freer alternatives exist.

Dave Watts, CTO, Fig Leaf Software
http://www.figleaf.com/
http://training.figleaf.com/

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Re: ColdFusion Builder Released!

2010-03-26 Thread Dave Watts

 Now that doesn't sounds suspiciously like an emotional, rather than
 rational, response, Dave... Your choice is to buy it or don't buy it...

Yes, that is my choice. I choose not to. Again, though, unlike you,
I'm not advising anyone to change their business plan, or saying that
they shouldn't do that. I would think that you could understand that
very simple distinction. Apparently, I am wrong about that.

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Re: cfschedule help

2010-03-26 Thread Mike Chabot

If there was an error being thrown by your scheduled task, would you
have any way of finding out? Do you get E-mailed with the error
details? Not having access to the log files makes troubleshooting
scheduled tasks more challenging. Often the error jumps right out at
you by viewing the error log.

You can use TimeFormat() to get the time value to appear in a format
that matches the examples found in the user manual. You should also
pass the date value through DateFormat()

-Mike Chabot

On Fri, Mar 26, 2010 at 2:08 PM, daniel kessler dani...@umd.edu wrote:

Are you aware that you can schedule tasks using a nice GUI from inside
of ColdFusion Administrator?

 It's a centralized server so I don't have access to the Administrator.

The problem might be related to setting the start time to now(), since
the CF scheduler is checked for new jobs to process on an interval
basis, not on a continual basis. Try scheduling the execution time for
20 minutes in the future to see if those emails go out.

Scheduling a task to run now isn't much of a schedule. Schedule
implies that it happens in the future. Why not run the email code
inline?

 It needs to send an email out daily.  I want it to start now and then each 
 day send out another.  I had it set to 60 seconds to test it as I didn't want 
 to wait a day to find that I did it wrong and it failed.  I've changed that 
 to 120 seconds and it didn't work.  I don't understand why there would be a 
 problem with starting now() though.  However, I changed the start_time to 
 this:

 cfset start_date = createDate(year(now()),month(now()),day(now()))
 cfset start_time = createTime(hour(now()),minute(now())+10,second(now()))

 cfschedule
        action=update
        task=facilities_daily_notification
        interval=120
        operation=httprequest
        startdate=#start_date#
        starttime=#start_time#
        
 url=http://sph.umd.edu/home/facilities_request/email/daily_notifcation.cfm;


 It doesn't seem to have worked.  Is there a problem with the code?  I've 
 asked and cfschedule is enabled.

 

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Re: Coldfusion 8 Webservice Help!

2010-03-26 Thread Ken Willis

mainly cuz i did not know what i was doing and i read some old cf6 advice.  I 
was able to get it to work fine with creating cfc and invoking from another 
page.  What is not working is if i use cfhttp with httpparam type=xml.  it 
returns a must end a meta tag error.  when i dump the raw data it looks like 
it is asking for some sort of authenication and i do not know where this comes 
from.  any thoughts?

thanks

i have installed soxml and msxml6

Why?

Just create a CFC and use access=remote - now you have a webservice.

mxAjax / CFAjax docs and other useful articles:
http://www.bifrost.com.au/blog/


On 20 March 2010 03:52, Ken Willis k...@alliedinformationresource.comwrote:


 I am trying to create a webservice that someone can post to me and then i
 read it into cf, process and send response.  I am new to this and have been
 trying to find a solution with specific examples with no luck.  i have
 installed soxml and msxml6 and have not been able to get it to work.  if i
 could get my hands on a good example i could probably figure it out (maybe)
 :)  any help would be appreciated. 

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Re: Coldfusion 8 Webservice Help!

2010-03-26 Thread Dave Watts

 mainly cuz i did not know what i was doing and i read some old cf6 advice.  I 
 was able
 to get it to work fine with creating cfc and invoking from another page.  
 What is not
 working is if i use cfhttp with httpparam type=xml.  it returns a must end a 
 meta tag
 error.  when i dump the raw data it looks like it is asking for some sort of 
 authenication
 and i do not know where this comes from.  any thoughts?

CFC webservices use SOAP, so you typically don't want to use CFHTTP to
invoke them. Just use CFINVOKE with the WEBSERVICE attribute.

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Re: Coldfusion 8 Webservice Help!

2010-03-26 Thread Ken Willis

yeah, i am seeing that.  I am creating my first consumable webservice for my 
clients.  i use webservices with several of my vendors and i use cfhttp, so i 
was trying to get it to work that way to make sure that my clients can use my 
webservice.  Having a bit of trouble with the cfhttp, but the invoke works 
fine.  does this mean that my webservice is fine and is usable?  i would really 
like to move on to the deaper programming of the webservice. 

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Re: Coldfusion 8 Webservice Help!

2010-03-26 Thread Dave Watts

 yeah, i am seeing that.  I am creating my first consumable webservice for my 
 clients.  i
 use webservices with several of my vendors and i use cfhttp, so i was trying 
 to get it to
 work that way to make sure that my clients can use my webservice.  Having a 
 bit of
 trouble with the cfhttp, but the invoke works fine.  does this mean that my 
 webservice
 is fine and is usable?  i would really like to move on to the deaper 
 programming of the
 webservice.

If you can invoke it with CFINVOKE using the WEBSERVICE attribute,
your web service works.

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Re: Coldfusion 8 Webservice Help!

2010-03-26 Thread Ken Willis

thanks, now i can get to the real meat of it.  hopefully some day i can return 
the favor.  thanks, again 

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FarCryCMS versus Mura

2010-03-26 Thread Dave Burns

I have a customer who may want to migrate to a CMS and I've told him to 
consider FarCry or Mura although I have zero experience with either. I can't 
find many resources around that give a solid comparative review. Can anyone 
here either point me to one or, if you have experience with both, give me your 
thoughts on pros and cons of each?

Thanks,
Dave


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RE: ColdFusion Builder Released!

2010-03-26 Thread Rick Faircloth

 I'm not advising anyone to change their business plan

When did I advise that?

 saying that they shouldn't do that

When did I say that?

I simply have said Adobe price CFB too high.
And if that's advising them to change their business plan,
then, ok, that's what I'd advise.

I'm entitled to that advice, as you are to suggest
that Apple's control of their product sucks...as if that,
in a word, is not a personal opinion that Apple should change
their business plan and customers should consider carefully
before using the iPhone and supporting Apple's approach.

No difference to me...

Apparently, you're looking for simple distinctions that
exist only in your mind.

Whatever, though...it's been fun, just have a great weekend, Dave! :o)

Rick

-Original Message-
From: Dave Watts [mailto:dwa...@figleaf.com] 
Sent: Friday, March 26, 2010 3:59 PM
To: cf-talk
Subject: Re: ColdFusion Builder Released!


 Now that doesn't sounds suspiciously like an emotional, rather than
 rational, response, Dave... Your choice is to buy it or don't buy it...

Yes, that is my choice. I choose not to. Again, though, unlike you,
I'm not advising anyone to change their business plan, or saying that
they shouldn't do that. I would think that you could understand that
very simple distinction. Apparently, I am wrong about that.

Dave Watts, CTO, Fig Leaf Software
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http://training.figleaf.com/

Fig Leaf Software is a Veteran-Owned Small Business (VOSB) on
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Custom search engine

2010-03-26 Thread Dave Burns

I have a customer who would like a search function for his web-site but does 
not want to use Google's custom search service. They use shared hosting 
(CrystalTech) that does not offer Verity or Solr (I believe this is true but am 
confirming with them). 

Given those constraints, does anyone here know of an alternative? I understand 
the complexity of the problem so I'm not 100% surprised I've found nothing with 
a little Googling around.

Thanks,
Dave


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Re: Custom search engine

2010-03-26 Thread Barney Boisvert

MySQL has decent (not stellar, not terrible) FULLTEXT indexing
capabilities.  It's not going to give you web indexing, just database
indexing, but that might be sufficient if the content to search is
simple and stored the right way.  If you wanted to go really low tech,
you could use wget to spider the site and load the pages into a MySQL
database to do FULLTEXT searches against.

Note that I don't consider this anything even approaching a good
solution, but it IS a potential solution since it appears that
many/most of the good ones have been ruled out.

cheers,
barneyb

On Fri, Mar 26, 2010 at 2:05 PM, Dave Burns cft...@burnsorama.com wrote:

 I have a customer who would like a search function for his web-site but does 
 not want to use Google's custom search service. They use shared hosting 
 (CrystalTech) that does not offer Verity or Solr (I believe this is true but 
 am confirming with them).

 Given those constraints, does anyone here know of an alternative? I 
 understand the complexity of the problem so I'm not 100% surprised I've found 
 nothing with a little Googling around.

 Thanks,
 Dave


 

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Re: FarCryCMS versus Mura

2010-03-26 Thread Jake Churchill

I have Farcry experience and worked at a place that did a Mura site and from
my experience, they do the same basic thing.  The thing that I saw is Farcry
is a much more complete solution so if you are doing anything enterprise
level, definitely go that route.  If you just want a basic site with a few
pages, Farcry might be overkill.  I still use farcry for small sites
though.

-Jake

On Fri, Mar 26, 2010 at 4:00 PM, Dave Burns cft...@burnsorama.com wrote:


 I have a customer who may want to migrate to a CMS and I've told him to
 consider FarCry or Mura although I have zero experience with either. I can't
 find many resources around that give a solid comparative review. Can anyone
 here either point me to one or, if you have experience with both, give me
 your thoughts on pros and cons of each?

 Thanks,
 Dave


 

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Re: ColdFusion Builder Released!

2010-03-26 Thread Dave Watts

 I simply have said Adobe price CFB too high.

No, you said a lot more than that. You said that it wasn't fair for
Adobe to price CFB at $300, since Dreamweaver was around the same
amount and that was an original work, and that this was an incentive
for you not to buy CFB even if it would make sense financially. You
mentioned this is more of a moral argument than a financial one.

 I'm entitled to that advice, as you are to suggest
 that Apple's control of their product sucks...as if that,
 in a word, is not a personal opinion that Apple should change
 their business plan and customers should consider carefully
 before using the iPhone and supporting Apple's approach.

No, that is not a personal opinion that Apple should change anything.
That is a personal opinion that potential Apple customers shouldn't
buy some of their products, because they restrict what you can do with
them in arguably objectionable ways and because there are other
products that fill the same niche pretty well. Apple should certainly
not change their business plan on my account, because frankly it's a
pretty good plan.

Your sole beef with CFB is that it's too expensive. Not that it's a
bad product, or that it carries onerous restrictions. And you had the
same beef with CF - you argued on this very list for years about how
painful it would be to your precious wallet to upgrade.

And you're entitled, of course, to say whatever you like. Just as
others are entitled to criticize your statements. And vice-versa. But
again, some statements are logical, and others aren't.

 No difference to me...

 Apparently, you're looking for simple distinctions that
 exist only in your mind.

 Whatever, though...it's been fun, just have a great weekend, Dave! :o)

Perhaps some minds are too simple to understand the distinction. That
doesn't mean there isn't one, of course.

You have a great weekend too.

Dave Watts, CTO, Fig Leaf Software
http://www.figleaf.com/
http://training.figleaf.com/

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Re: ColdFusion Builder Released!

2010-03-26 Thread Casey Dougall

On Fri, Mar 26, 2010 at 5:11 PM, Rick Faircloth r...@whitestonemedia.comwrote:


  I'm not advising anyone to change their business plan

 When did I advise that?

  saying that they shouldn't do that

 When did I say that?



Nah, I said that...

And as for Dave's comment

It's also a sensible decision for me not to voluntarily enter their walled
garden, since better and freer alternatives exist.

That's about where I'm at with it.


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Re: Custom search engine

2010-03-26 Thread Dave Burns

Thanks, Barney.

I've used MySQL's FULLTEXT capabilities in the past with good success. I should 
clarify that we're using SQL Server 2008. I think that has some similar 
abilities. I agree though that the overall approach is not ideal. I'm hoping 
someone has a combo of some spidering scripts I'd run with a cron job and then 
a CFC for the search functionality. I have a strong feeling that's a looong 
shot.

Dave


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Re: GIT Anyone?

2010-03-26 Thread Ben Alembick

Wow guys thats a lot of info, really useful cheers.

Ive just had a look at HG and cant even get it installed (not a good start), 
keep getting an error message after the install process when eclipse restarts, 
it attempts to open preferences and try's to save the mercurial section.

Any way thats on the Mac, and GIT is working ok (just learning :-)) I will try 
both on the PC next week (time permitting).

I really like the idea of not having to rely on a Central repository,  so 
development can be done with no connection. Is it possible to work with SVN 
like this. So i Have a main SVN repo on a staging server and i also have svn on 
my laptop etc?

(am i right in describing one possible GIT setup as like SVN having a MAIN Repo 
but also allowing the users themselves to have a repo?)

Gonna have a read of the Books Won Lee and Denstar have recomended.

Also a quick question. GITHUB provides the ability to keep a master repo there, 
is it possible to replace GITHUB with my own server? Im guessing you can, but 
could you give me some pointers which is the best way to approach this?

Can i use RDS protocol to import / push the repo?

Cheers really getting into this now.

Ben 

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Re: GIT Anyone?

2010-03-26 Thread Ben Alembick

Wow guys thats a lot of info, really useful cheers.

Ive just had a look at HG and cant even get it installed (not a good start), 
keep getting an error message after the install process when eclipse restarts, 
it attempts to open preferences and try's to save the mercurial section.

Any way thats on the Mac, and GIT is working ok (just learning :-)) I will try 
both on the PC next week (time permitting).

I really like the idea of not having to rely on a Central repository,  so 
development can be done with no connection. Is it possible to work with SVN 
like this. So i Have a main SVN repo on a staging server and i also have svn on 
my laptop etc?

(am i right in describing one possible GIT setup as like SVN having a MAIN Repo 
but also allowing the users themselves to have a repo?)

Gonna have a read of the Books Won Lee and Denstar have recomended.

Also a quick question. GITHUB provides the ability to keep a master repo there, 
is it possible to replace GITHUB with my own server? Im guessing you can, but 
could you give me some pointers which is the best way to approach this?

Can i use RDS protocol to import / push the repo?

Cheers really getting into this now.

Ben 

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Re: FarCryCMS versus Mura

2010-03-26 Thread John Allen

Ive messed with both.
They are pretty nice products and both their code bases are easy to
understand.
Mura is nice cause its pretty light weight, and adding custom applications
is extremely easy.
Installing both is very easy.

On Fri, Mar 26, 2010 at 5:25 PM, Jake Churchill reyna...@gmail.com wrote:


 I have Farcry experience and worked at a place that did a Mura site and
 from
 my experience, they do the same basic thing.  The thing that I saw is
 Farcry
 is a much more complete solution so if you are doing anything enterprise
 level, definitely go that route.  If you just want a basic site with a few
 pages, Farcry might be overkill.  I still use farcry for small sites
 though.

 -Jake

 On Fri, Mar 26, 2010 at 4:00 PM, Dave Burns cft...@burnsorama.com wrote:

 
  I have a customer who may want to migrate to a CMS and I've told him to
  consider FarCry or Mura although I have zero experience with either. I
 can't
  find many resources around that give a solid comparative review. Can
 anyone
  here either point me to one or, if you have experience with both, give me
  your thoughts on pros and cons of each?
 
  Thanks,
  Dave
 
 
 

 

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Re: Custom search engine

2010-03-26 Thread Gerald Guido

There are a couple search tools on RIAForge

http://listpages.riaforge.org/
http://goat.riaforge.org/
http://seeker.riaforge.org/

I have not used these. The second two require you to create Java Objects and
most shared hosts don't allow that.

FWIW, I did some research on SQL server 05 a while back and it has some
powerful search tools.  IIRC It requires full text search to enabled so I am
not sure if this functionality will be available to you. I got pulled from
the project before I could implement anything but what I do remember was
that that it had some pretty impressive search capabilities.

G!


On Fri, Mar 26, 2010 at 5:36 PM, Dave Burns cft...@burnsorama.com wrote:


 Thanks, Barney.

 I've used MySQL's FULLTEXT capabilities in the past with good success. I
 should clarify that we're using SQL Server 2008. I think that has some
 similar abilities. I agree though that the overall approach is not ideal.
 I'm hoping someone has a combo of some spidering scripts I'd run with a cron
 job and then a CFC for the search functionality. I have a strong feeling
 that's a looong shot.

 Dave


 

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Re: GIT Anyone?

2010-03-26 Thread Qasim Rasheed

Here is a great post by Joel on Distributed version control

http://www.joelonsoftware.com/items/2010/03/17.html


On Fri, Mar 26, 2010 at 5:38 PM, Ben Alembick benalemb...@gmail.com wrote:


 Wow guys thats a lot of info, really useful cheers.

 Ive just had a look at HG and cant even get it installed (not a good
 start), keep getting an error message after the install process when eclipse
 restarts, it attempts to open preferences and try's to save the mercurial
 section.

 Any way thats on the Mac, and GIT is working ok (just learning :-)) I will
 try both on the PC next week (time permitting).

 I really like the idea of not having to rely on a Central repository,  so
 development can be done with no connection. Is it possible to work with SVN
 like this. So i Have a main SVN repo on a staging server and i also have svn
 on my laptop etc?

 (am i right in describing one possible GIT setup as like SVN having a MAIN
 Repo but also allowing the users themselves to have a repo?)

 Gonna have a read of the Books Won Lee and Denstar have recomended.

 Also a quick question. GITHUB provides the ability to keep a master repo
 there, is it possible to replace GITHUB with my own server? Im guessing you
 can, but could you give me some pointers which is the best way to approach
 this?

 Can i use RDS protocol to import / push the repo?

 Cheers really getting into this now.

 Ben

 

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Re: Custom search engine

2010-03-26 Thread Kevin Pepperman

Verity or Lucene work pretty well-- though it does take some time to wrap
your head around how you go about get complex data indexed.

But once you understand it it is very customizable.

cfcollection, cfindex, and cfsearch are all you need to build a fairly
robust search engine with stemming as well as allowing (AND NOT OR and
wildcard(*) ) style of searches.

http://livedocs.adobe.com/coldfusion/8/htmldocs/help.html?content=Tags_c_09.html
http://livedocs.adobe.com/coldfusion/8/htmldocs/help.html?content=Tags_c_09.html
-- 
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deserve neither liberty nor safety. - Benjamin Franklin


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Re: FlashBuilder and Colfusion builder

2010-03-26 Thread Paul Kukiel

Great news thanks.

Paul

On Mar 26, 2010, at 10:20 PM, Cameron Childress wrote:

 
 On Fri, Mar 26, 2010 at 7:19 AM, Cameron Childress camer...@gmail.com wrote:
 On Fri, Mar 26, 2010 at 1:21 AM, Paul Kukiel pkuk...@gmail.com wrote:
 If I have FlexBuilder 3 Pro and I want FlashBuilder 4 Premium for $299 do I
 get the upgrade to FB4 Premium and also a ColdFusion Builder license?
 
 Actually, to further clarify, I went though the same upgrade path as
 you.  I bought FB4 as an upgrade to FB3, and got CFB without incident.
 
 -Cameron
 
 -- 
 Cameron Childress
 Sumo Consulting Inc
 http://www.sumoc.com
 ---
 cell:  678.637.5072
 aim:   cameroncf
 email: camer...@gmail.com
 
 ...
 
 

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Re: Custom search engine

2010-03-26 Thread Maureen

Are they opposed to all web based search engines, or only Google.  If
the latter, Bing might be an option.

On Fri, Mar 26, 2010 at 2:05 PM, Dave Burns cft...@burnsorama.com wrote:

 I have a customer who would like a search function for his web-site but does 
 not want to use Google's custom search service. They use shared hosting 
 (CrystalTech) that does not offer Verity or Solr (I believe this is true but 
 am confirming with them).

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Re: FarCryCMS versus Mura

2010-03-26 Thread Malcolm O'Keeffe

I have Farcry experience and worked at a place that did a Mura site and from
my experience, they do the same basic thing.  The thing that I saw is Farcry
is a much more complete solution so if you are doing anything enterprise
level, definitely go that route.  

Jake, as a member of the Mura CMS team, I have to say that your take on Mura 
not being an appropriate choice for the Enterprise is very inaccurate. Mura CMS 
is used by clients like Intel, Apple, multiple Federal agencies, the EU, etc. 
precisely because it's a great fit for Enterprise projects (but also mid-size 
sites as well). 

Now FarCry is a great system, and this reply is in no way a criticism of it, 
but instead is meant to emphasize that Mura CMS scales up with no problems at 
all. 

The most important questions to ask for any CMS-based project is how well a 
given system matches the specific needs of the client, how easy it is to use 
(for both developers and content administrators), and how rapidly can you 
complete your project. On each of these fronts, I'm confident that Mura CMS is 
a great option.

Perhaps Dave Burns can share some of the project requirements, and we can 
evaluate more objectively what systems would be a good fit for him and his 
client? 

Malcolm O'Keeffe
Team Mura
Blue River Interactive Group 

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Re: (ot) email confirm

2010-03-26 Thread Bryn Parrott

 Sorry folks a little off topic here, but I'm not good at javascript.

 I have this email confirm code that tells me I need to enter a valid 
 email, but then still sends me to the next form which generates an 
 error because of no email address. 

 The problem seems to be in this section not stopping the submission so 
 that the user can enter a valid email

 ---
 if (goodEmail){
   
 good = true
 } else {
   
 alert('Please enter a valid e-mail address.')
   
 field.focus()
   
 field.select()
   
 good = false
  
 }
 }
 ---

 Any help appreciated.

 RO
 HWW

 The full code is below:

 var good;
 function checkEmailAddress(field) {
snipped

I gather that you are firing this function when the submit button on the form  
is clicked.
Assuming that to be the case, if the validation is OK, return TRUE from the 
function call, and if the validation is incorrect, then return FALSE.  This 
should stop the form from being submitted inappropriately.

But the other buy was right in regards CFForm, as that is a much simpler way of 
handling the whole thing..

HTH
Bryn
Assumng that 

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RE: ReCaptcha service changes!

2010-03-26 Thread Justin Scott

 We're using cfReCaptcha and got the following
 message.  Anyone else receive this email?

I didn't get the e-mail, but error reporting on the server was sending me
connection errors to reCAPTCHA for a few hours a few days ago.  It corrected
itself eventually though.


-Justin



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Re: Custom search engine

2010-03-26 Thread Kevin Pepperman

It looks like CrystalTech supports verity search. I cannot see any reason
they would not support it.

Maybe all it takes is to let them know you need it.

http://help.webcontrolcenter.com/KB/a271/adding-verity-collection-to-a-coldfusion-site.aspx?KBSearchID=76929
-- 
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RE: ColdFusion Builder Released!

2010-03-26 Thread Rick Faircloth

 You said that it wasn't fair for Adobe to price CFB at $300

Now, I'm not going to spend time searching back through all the
messages to be 100% certain, but I highly doubt that I ever said
it was unfair...that wouldn't be correct.  I said it wasn't
appropriate pricing.

 That is a personal opinion that potential Apple customers shouldn't
 buy some of their products

Same thing I said about CFBuilder...the reasons are irrelevant.

 Your sole beef with CFB is that it's too expensive. Not that it's a
bad product

Not true.  There are many products that are more expensive that I think
are worth the cost.  My problem with CFBuilder is that it's overpriced.
Big difference.

 Perhaps some minds are too simple to understand the distinction.

Ok...let's not get personal.  You started with the personal attacks and
I haven't participated.  Let's leave the personal attacks aside...they
don't contribute to the discussion whatsoever.  You've been going down
this road for the last few exchanges.  Let's not go there.

You're just beating up on Apple because of the way they've chosen to do
business...I'm doing the same thing with Adobe.

Rick


-Original Message-
From: Dave Watts [mailto:dwa...@figleaf.com] 
Sent: Friday, March 26, 2010 5:41 PM
To: cf-talk
Subject: Re: ColdFusion Builder Released!


 I simply have said Adobe price CFB too high.

No, you said a lot more than that. You said that it wasn't fair for
Adobe to price CFB at $300, since Dreamweaver was around the same
amount and that was an original work, and that this was an incentive
for you not to buy CFB even if it would make sense financially. You
mentioned this is more of a moral argument than a financial one.

 I'm entitled to that advice, as you are to suggest
 that Apple's control of their product sucks...as if that,
 in a word, is not a personal opinion that Apple should change
 their business plan and customers should consider carefully
 before using the iPhone and supporting Apple's approach.

No, that is not a personal opinion that Apple should change anything.
That is a personal opinion that potential Apple customers shouldn't
buy some of their products, because they restrict what you can do with
them in arguably objectionable ways and because there are other
products that fill the same niche pretty well. Apple should certainly
not change their business plan on my account, because frankly it's a
pretty good plan.

Your sole beef with CFB is that it's too expensive. Not that it's a
bad product, or that it carries onerous restrictions. And you had the
same beef with CF - you argued on this very list for years about how
painful it would be to your precious wallet to upgrade.

And you're entitled, of course, to say whatever you like. Just as
others are entitled to criticize your statements. And vice-versa. But
again, some statements are logical, and others aren't.

 No difference to me...

 Apparently, you're looking for simple distinctions that
 exist only in your mind.

 Whatever, though...it's been fun, just have a great weekend, Dave! :o)

Perhaps some minds are too simple to understand the distinction. That
doesn't mean there isn't one, of course.

You have a great weekend too.

Dave Watts, CTO, Fig Leaf Software
http://www.figleaf.com/
http://training.figleaf.com/

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RE: ColdFusion Builder Released!

2010-03-26 Thread Rick Faircloth

Sorry...left off some other comments previously...

 Not that it's a bad product, or that it carries onerous restrictions.
 And you had the same beef with CF - you argued on this very list for years
 about how painful it would be to your precious wallet to upgrade.

Wrong on both accounts.  I never said CF Builder carries onerous
restrictions.
As was pointed out by Casey, you may be, in this case, too, attributing
remarks
to me that someone else made.  However, I don't see where CF Builder carries
any objectionable restrictions.  It's a matter of value.  It adds too little
for the price.  That's the objection.  They want too much money for the
product.
Not that the price wouldn't be appropriate for another product.  I think DW
would be fine at $300 (or $400, as someone pointed out).

And, I may beef with Adobe about upgrading was that they quit offering
upgrades
prices to those of us still using early version of CF Server.  I can
understand
why they do it, but it doesn't mean that I like it.

And, yes, $1200 is not always easy to shell out for a sole proprietor,
especially
when the gains from the product didn't appear to be that valuable above what
I
already needed the product to do.  That did change with CF 8, however.  I
saw
changes to the server that would help my work a lot...specifically with
images,
since virtually all the work I do involves processing images.

And yes, since it's my wallet and my money that I'm spending, it precious to
me.
My family depends on me making wise choices with my money.  I don't make
enough
to be oblivious to the costs of doing business.

Rick


-Original Message-
From: Dave Watts [mailto:dwa...@figleaf.com] 
Sent: Friday, March 26, 2010 5:41 PM
To: cf-talk
Subject: Re: ColdFusion Builder Released!


 I simply have said Adobe price CFB too high.

No, you said a lot more than that. You said that it wasn't fair for
Adobe to price CFB at $300, since Dreamweaver was around the same
amount and that was an original work, and that this was an incentive
for you not to buy CFB even if it would make sense financially. You
mentioned this is more of a moral argument than a financial one.

 I'm entitled to that advice, as you are to suggest
 that Apple's control of their product sucks...as if that,
 in a word, is not a personal opinion that Apple should change
 their business plan and customers should consider carefully
 before using the iPhone and supporting Apple's approach.

No, that is not a personal opinion that Apple should change anything.
That is a personal opinion that potential Apple customers shouldn't
buy some of their products, because they restrict what you can do with
them in arguably objectionable ways and because there are other
products that fill the same niche pretty well. Apple should certainly
not change their business plan on my account, because frankly it's a
pretty good plan.

Your sole beef with CFB is that it's too expensive. Not that it's a
bad product, or that it carries onerous restrictions. And you had the
same beef with CF - you argued on this very list for years about how
painful it would be to your precious wallet to upgrade.

And you're entitled, of course, to say whatever you like. Just as
others are entitled to criticize your statements. And vice-versa. But
again, some statements are logical, and others aren't.

 No difference to me...

 Apparently, you're looking for simple distinctions that
 exist only in your mind.

 Whatever, though...it's been fun, just have a great weekend, Dave! :o)

Perhaps some minds are too simple to understand the distinction. That
doesn't mean there isn't one, of course.

You have a great weekend too.

Dave Watts, CTO, Fig Leaf Software
http://www.figleaf.com/
http://training.figleaf.com/

Fig Leaf Software is a Veteran-Owned Small Business (VOSB) on
GSA Schedule, and provides the highest caliber vendor-authorized
instruction at our training centers, online, or onsite.



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RE: ColdFusion Builder Released!

2010-03-26 Thread Rick Faircloth

Yep...me, too.  And I said as much to Dave.
I believe, based on Apples' garden they've planted, that
he shouldn't do business with them.  The garden that Adobe
is growing with CF Builder is objectionable to me, therefore
I choose not to do business with them concerning CF Builder.



-Original Message-
From: Casey Dougall [mailto:ca...@uberwebsitesolutions.com] 
Sent: Friday, March 26, 2010 5:42 PM
To: cf-talk
Subject: Re: ColdFusion Builder Released!


On Fri, Mar 26, 2010 at 5:11 PM, Rick Faircloth
r...@whitestonemedia.comwrote:


  I'm not advising anyone to change their business plan

 When did I advise that?

  saying that they shouldn't do that

 When did I say that?



Nah, I said that...

And as for Dave's comment

It's also a sensible decision for me not to voluntarily enter their walled
garden, since better and freer alternatives exist.

That's about where I'm at with it.




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