Re: ColdFusion8 silent installation

[Don L]

Prefer not to post to the public.
>> Sure.  But there's a reason to add a cf8 datasource without 
>> using the admin API.
>
>What is that reason?


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Re: ColdFusion8 silent installation

[Don L]

Sure.  But there's a reason to add a cf8 datasource without using the admin API.
>ColdFusion8 silent installation - Dave Watts, CTO, Fig Leaf Software
>> Thanks, Dave.  Another question, it looks like one may also 
>> be able to create a cf8 data source dynamically, and the 
>> neo-datasource.xml file seems to be the first 'crack' or a 
>> better way to do it?
>
>I would prefer to use the admin API to do this, I think.
>
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Re: ColdFusion8 silent installation

[Don L]

Thank you, Andy, I initially did not find the link about cf8 silient 
installation.
The missing attribute may also imply that some of these attributes are 
optional...
> ColdFusion8 silent installation - Andy Allan
> The main differences between the CF7 and CF8 silent installs are the
> properties for things such as LCDS and the .NET bridge.
> 
> CF7 http://www.adobe.com/go/87bd20f4
> CF8 http://www.adobe.com/go/kb402572
> 
> The one omission that both have is the property for installing the
> Report Builder.
> 
> SILENT_INSTALL_REPORTBUILDER=true|false
> 
> Andy
> ColdFusion8 silent installation - Andy Allan


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Re: ColdFusion8 silent installation

[Don L]

>> A) Have you ever installed cf8 siliently (be it Windows or Unix)?
>
>Yes, on Windows.
Thanks, Dave.  Another question, it looks like one may also be able to create a 
cf8 data source dynamically, and the neo-datasource.xml file seems to be the 
first 'crack' or a better way to do it? 

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ColdFusion8 silent installation

[Don L]

It seems to me that ColdFusion8 may be installed siliently.  Digging its doc is 
inclusive, so, I have two questions here.
A) Have you ever installed cf8 siliently (be it Windows or Unix)?
B) If yes, how does the cf8 installer properties file differ from that of cf7?
(I have the complete cf7 installer properties file)

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Enterprise App and CFwindow

[Don L]

Hello,

I got the impression that virtually no one uses CFwindow as is for any 
enterprise app (EA) and those who use it for EA have heavily modified it 
(probably got rid of the bloated bulky part of it, while it's understandable 
for open source code for such state of performance... in my case it does not 
seem to be practical... 

Such an impression is about three or four months old.  Where are we now on this?

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Re: Help finding a hosting provider

[Don L]

> Hi,
 
> 
> I am new to this list and I am sure that this topic has been done over 
> and over but I will ask again.
 
> 
> I am looking for a hosting provider to host a simple site that I am 
> creating for a group related to my hobby.  I am looking for a 
> relatively inexpensive to moderately priced provider.  We have a 
> domain and site already that I am now the webmaster of.  The old site 
> is just plain HTML and I would like to add new features in CF (That is 
> what I develop in but for a fortune 500 firm -- no experience with 
> outside hosting).  We would like to do an email newsletter, photo 
> gallery and so.
 
> 
> If any could recommend a provider that would be great.
 
> 
> Thanks
> Linda
I've heard great things about YoHost. 

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Re: Comparing 2 different chunks of text

[Don L]

>Bobby Hartsfield -- a dispicalbe being
>He was just being a simple tool. There was no intention of that working.
>
>There is nothing built in to do anything like this.
>
>You may be able to find a compare/merge command line tool that you can
>cfexecute... else, in CF... basically what you would have to do is: 
>
>1) Remove the parts that DO match since its all you can pinpoint initially 
>By 'remove' I mean extract and replace with a marker and store the removed
>text in an array so you can put it back where it goes later
>2) Then what you have left is only the unmatched
>words/letters/numbers/punctuation etc... wrap your spanned highlight code
>around each of those words/numbers/etc... that are left
>3) Then put the extracted parts back into their places
>
>I can think of a number of weird scenarios to throw a wrench in the 'basic'
>logic for something like this and foresee it getting rather involved. You'll
>have to ask yourself if it is worth it or not.
>
>.:.:.:.:.:.:.:.:.:.:.:.:.
>Bobby Hartsfield
>http://acoderslife.com
>http://cf4em.com
>Bobby Hartsfield -- a dispicalbe being

I tried to put up with your crap before, but enough, you are nothing but a 
dispicalbe being.  Try to remember this, anything I post DON'T FOLLOW UP.


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Re: Comparing 2 different chunks of text

[Don L]

> chunk comparison
> Hi all, Is it possible to compare 2 chunk of text and highlight the 
> difference in the second chunk? 
> 
> e.g. 
>  
> 
> comPareString(textChunk1,textChunk2) 
> 
> The output should then be "My name is Abigail today" - i.e. 
> "Abigail today" been highlighted or whatever you want to do with the 
> added text...is there a function in ColdFusion to this? 
> 
> Many thanks, 
> 
> Abi. 
> chunk comparison

// just use equality comparison

  The two chucks seem from the same stock.

  You're nuts.  Just kidding :)



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Simplest WYSIWYG Text Editor

[Don L]

I know I'm good (ok, I meant, I worked half an hour here, and then half an hour 
there on this little project), now, I've got this little 'tough' simple WYSIYG 
text editor to be working in IE (tested IE7, should be fine with IE6, expected 
to be supported by Firefox3).  Call it 'tough' because it can work with some 
bloated (so called popular) open source js libraries as well... and CF's much 
touted ajax related tags like cfwindows too...

If anyone is interested shoot me an email (all I'm asking is "do good not evil" 
even for a little tool).

Motivation: fed up with some slow dog text editor and its reliability issue.


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(ot) Simple Tool

[Don L]

I 'accidentally' designed and developed a super simple survey tool (yeah, I 
know zillions of the same type out there). Got two questions here:
a) is it all right to post its beta URL here for opinion/feedback?
b) someone may have done something similar (not the functional side but on the 
simplicity side), care to share some thoughts, better, insights, on marketing 
(not some quick Internet search digging).

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Re: Could CFPDF tag edit a PDF file?

[Don L]

>Don,
>
>I am working on an app for our inhouse use that will read the PDF into an
>XML structure then parse those into input tags so users can enter the data
>in a form and get the PDF with their info.  I am also developing a
>standardized one where i have all the form IDs set-up ahead of time on
>various submission form PDFs and calling data from the datbase to populate
>the PDFform values.
>
>The biggest problem is knowing what is in the PDF I am too far away from
>finishing this back burner project to be of any help...
>
>Rob

Thank you for the update, Rob.  I tend to think a lot of small businesses don't 
have PDF Writer (how did I spell 'Writor' last time? man!) but they may need to 
fill some government PDF forms (more desirable to do it online if 
feasible...because it would be more efficient).  Your app would be a great 
service I think.

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Re: ColdFusion 8 Ajax questions

[Don L]

> Hey all, 
> I am currently embroiled with my first full coldfusion ajax system for 
> a client.  I am running into a problem, which is probably elementary 
> for those who have had some prior success with the cf ajax controls, 
> but this has become a stumbling block for me.  Can anyone please give 
> me their advice?
> 
> I have a page with a cfdiv area on it.  When the user selects a name 
> from a list, the cfdiv is populated by a form that contains the 
> details for that name.  This is accomplished by an inline url bind 
> parameter in the cfdiv tag.  this part seems to work properly.
> 
> Once the user sees the detail form, I want them to be able to enter 
> new data in the form and submit it.  
> When I use a simple html form (FORM), The entire application is 
> reloaded and the new form appears in its place.  When I use a cold 
> fusion form (CFFORM) I get a 'page cannot be found' error.  
> 
> I have tried leaving the action parameter in the cfform tag blank 
> (defaults to same page).
> I have tried setting the action parameter using cgi.script_name, (the 
> location of the subpage from the root).
> I have tried setting the action parameter hardcoded as the same name 
> as the sub-direcotry filename.
> 
> All of these solutions have the same effect, 'The page cannot be 
> found'.  The only change that produced a different result was changing 
> the CFFORM to a FORM tag, which allows the page to be called correctly, 
> however, it replaces the entire appication, not just inside the cfdiv.
> 
> 
> Please let me know if there is any details you might need to help me 
> troubleshoot this issue.  All help will be greatly appreciated.
> 
> William 

William, you're a good guy.  I have an app that runs inside cfwindow, within it 
all sorts of ajax tags/functions including Inline Editing (never saw anything 
like that before, totally 'cooked up' by myself, which might have existed 
elsewhere berore).  I'd be happy to send you such source code (not in its 
entirety but maybe sufficient for your reference, email me donli at yahoo.com). 
 

Also, I'd like to mention Sam Farmer got me started with cfajaxproxy, that's 
wonderful and I'm grateful to him for that.

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Re: Could CFPDF tag edit a PDF file?

[Don L]

>yes use this.. If the PDF has named form fields...
>
>
>
>
> and this to pass the values to the named form items.
>
>
>
>Rob

Thansk, Rob.  Clearly this is a step toward right direction.  Reading up doc on 
this family tag a bit, it seems to suggest that: 
a) one could populate a PDF form with preloaded XML data (via the XMLdata 
Attribute) provided that he/she knows the form structure;
b) the PDF form may also be populated via the Child tag of , 
e.g.
.  This part also seems to denote 
that if Value Attribute is blank or omitted, probably such PDF form fields 
would be inputable (not sure if it's a word, but people get the point).
But here again, one has to know FORM fields beforehand.  If not, it looks like 
the READ action could do the job...

Has anyone created a process/little app to address this (making a readonly PDF 
form web editable)?
 


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Re: Could CFPDF tag edit a PDF file?

[Don L]

> On Monday 19 May 2008, Don L wrote:
> > I just went through the cf documentation about this tag, did not 
> come off
> > as it is able to support a PDF document editing via web interface
> 
> Define 'editing'.
> 
> -- 
> Tom Chiverton

Here you have a read-only pdf document with form fields to fill in and you 
don't have a PDF Writor or Editor package.  How to fill the PDF form 
electronically?  Could the CFPDF tag help with this requirement?

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Re: Cftextarea and "Fukeditor"

[Don L]

>Just download the Library and look under examples. There are a bunch of them
>that work right out of the box. You pass just it a couple vars and you are
>done. Very easy.

Hi Gerald, were you referring to the following url for the current cfc for this 
editor? 
http://dev.fckeditor.net/browser/FCKeditor/trunk/fckeditor.cfc?rev=735

fyi 1, my current implementation of this editor with CFTEXTAREA is barely ok, 
not efficient at all and reliability seems less than desirable as well.

fyi 2, my use case for text editor for this app is very complex, virtually all 
other WYSIWYG editors have failed (one more option to try, would need very 
focused attention...)

Thanks.

Don 

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Re: FCKEditor and IE7

[Don L]

>Just an FYI in case many of you didn't know, but ActivEdit, the "other"
>WYSIWYG editor for web pages, is now open source and available for download
>at the creator's website: http://www.zrinity.com/activedit
>
>Just an alternative solution for those who haven't invested a lot of time
>into FCKEditor.
>
>
>
>
>Thank you,
>Erika
>
>
>
>Erika L. Walker, Director, RUWebby, LLC

Good to hear from you, Erika.  Can ActivEdit run inside cfwindow?
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Re: CF8 and a very basic drawing capability

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> Probably Flash and/or Flex can.  But it would be nice if cf8 can do 
> that as well (not something fancy/full-blown), if this capability is 
> already built in with cf8, pls show me.  Thanks.   
> 
> Process flow: a) simple draw --> b) the {cf image tag} capture it --> 
> c) store it...
> Sorry if asking too much. 

Well, on my second scanning of the cf docs (functions part this time), I 
realize indeed cf8 does support drawing etc. 

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Re: CF8 and a very basic drawing capability

[Don L]

> check out ben nadel's blog for this and a lot more:
> www.bennadel.com
> 
> Azadi Saryev
> Sabai-dee.com
> http://www.sabai-dee.com/

Thanks, will do. 

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CF8 and a very basic drawing capability

[Don L]

Probably Flash and/or Flex can.  But it would be nice if cf8 can do that as 
well (not something fancy/full-blown), if this capability is already built in 
with cf8, pls show me.  Thanks.   

Process flow: a) simple draw --> b) the {cf image tag} capture it --> c) store 
it...
Sorry if asking too much. 

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Re: Cftextarea and "Fukeditor"

[Don L]

>Just download the Library and look under examples. There are a bunch of them
>that work right out of the box. You pass just it a couple vars and you are
>done. Very easy.
>
>There is also a custom tag version too if that is more to your liking.
>
>hth
>G
>Gerald Guido

Thanks, Gerald, check it out tonight. 

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Could CFPDF tag edit a PDF file?

[Don L]

I just went through the cf documentation about this tag, did not come off as it 
is able to support a PDF document editing via web interface, a quick search of 
this forum did not yield an answer neither, hence, ask here.

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Re: Cftextarea and "Fukeditor"

[Don L]

>Don,
>I hear you. So far I have avoided using a lot of the Ajax features in CF 8
>(save cfajaxproxy ) and sticking with their source libraries like EXT and
>FCKeditor and the like. If anything for the foot print. I am still a sucker
>for cfform though.
>
>BTW FCKeditor has a CFC that works out of the box... very nice.
>
>I do like your misspelling btw... ;)
>Good editor... a poor choice of a name none the less.
>
>G
>(save cfajaxproxy )

Gerald,

On cfajaxproxy, agree whole-heartedly that it's probably the most powerful 
feature of all cf8 related ajax function/feature (at least to some of us).  One 
would hope that CF's next release would add more to this amazing tag as well 
among others...

On FCKeditor, I just didn't remember how to spell it and not bothering looking 
it up.  If one technique would work, which I haven't tested yet, a very viable 
alternative work for an app of mine (on efficiency scale of at 200% over 
FCKeditor but I'll stop right here, many likes this editor...).   On a similar 
note, I don't have the luxury to spend over 50% of time on technical stuff...
">BTW FCKeditor has a CFC that works out of the box... very nice."
Please tell me more about that (or probably the editor's web site would have 
info on that but again your insight would be more valuable...) in case one 
technique for the alternative does not work.


Regards,

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Cftextarea and "Fukeditor"

[Don L]

Maybe I've misspelt the editor.  With cf8 standard (8.0, not 8.0.1), with the 
Cftextarea tag using Fukeditor's Basic tool configuration.  If there's double 
quotes (") inside the textarea, cfajax related tag such as cfajaxproxy 
referencing data inside the textreaa would generate an error.

Quite likely I won't be using this editor for production, posting the above for 
the benefit of those who's still using this option.


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Re: Cfajaxproxy and form hidden field

[Don L]

> post your js ad cfc fucntions.
> 
> Azadi Saryev
> Sabai-dee.com
> http://www.sabai-dee.com/

Ok, problem resolved.  My hidden field was using ID only, e.g.
 // the object and id thing got me now ...
instead, it should be  for 
CFAJAXPROXY at least.  I did not test with ...
anyway, I need ID Attribute ...

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Cfajaxproxy and form hidden field

[Don L]

I'm using cfajaxproxy with cfc and js class call to process a form.  The form's 
hidden field wasn't passed on because the cfc's arguments list does not contain 
it.
Does this tag's ajax part fail to recognize the hidden field within a form or 
am I missing something?

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Re: Sever-side data validation with ajax

[Don L]

>The biggest problem with this approach is that it offers nothing in the way
>of actual enforcement of data. It takes about 2 seconds to bypass that kind
>of validation either by frame hacks or form substitution. 
Ok, for "frame hacks", it shouldn't be applicable to a page that does not frame.
On "form substitution", very interesting stuff, tell me more about it.

>As long as you still implement the server-side aspect, the choices you have
>to notify the user are practically endless. I personally prefer:
I knew the 'traditional' server-side validation is more secure...

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Re: Sever-side data validation with ajax

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>First, this has nothing to do with AJAX or server-side validation, really.
>Your options for notifying the user of an error are no different with AJAX
>than they would be with any sort of client-side validation.
Disagree.  Server-side validation, traditionally means to send a form to cf 
server and have the cf server run some code to check the data on a relational 
db or desktop db or whatever data source, then if there's data problem, alert 
user with cf type code.  Here's the difference is to use ajax do js call for a 
cfc that does the db side data check then do alert or not.  I don't enjoy 
writing this to refute you...

>That said, I don't think there's one single approach that would always be
>best. I think that different forms may have different optimal ways of
>notifying the user. Sometimes the best approach would be to simply change

>the appearance of the field, 
Similar to Dom's hightlight I think, not bad.

>and perhaps set focus on that field. 
You're talking on this one (that's what I've already did).

>Other
>times, the best approach might be to show the user a list of errors.
>
>Dave Watts, CTO, Fig Leaf Software
>http://www.figleaf.com/
>
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Re: Sever-side data validation with ajax

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>Messages next to and highlights of the problematic fields + general message
>at top of the page, i.e. 'Oops there was a problem; check out the errors
>highlighted in the form...'
>
>My preference
>
>Dominic
Well, I'm torn between "Messages next to and highlights of the problematic 
fields"
and "Messages next to and highlights of the problematic fields + general message
at top of the page".  

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Sever-side data validation with ajax

[Don L]

The good news seems that one could validate server-side data using ajax call to 
send the form data but the down side seems to be the UI err presentation part, 
when there's data problem one would prompt/alert user about it, the js alert 
function is one way, write some sort of msg and make it VISIBLE on top of the 
problematic field is another (I like this approach better, btw, fairly easily 
done), popup is sometimes deemed annoying (alert is popup).  What's your 
thought?

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Re: List order mess-up with cfc and ajax

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Resolved by using another technique. 

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List order mess-up with cfc and ajax

[Don L]

What's the odd ball.  Form has dynamic elements with each starts with the 
letter of "A" (e.g., A1, A2, A..n) among other elements, form is passed to 
cfajaxproxy/cfc/js combo and submitted multiple times (specifically submitted 
at each element level, intended).

On the cfc end, partially code looks like this:

   
  
  
 
 


ListLast(AList) does not always return the last appended item, how come?

Envs: OS = Windows XP; CF = CF8 Stardard.

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Re: Writing a re-usable business function with CF8

[Don L]

>You could also just set it up as a centralized web service and allow people
>on any platform to call it that way. That's what they're for, after all.
>
>On Fri, May 9, 2008 at 12:34 PM, D
> web service
Yes, thanks, my own, kind of limited, experience with web service has been that 
the cf web service does not seem to be very reliable in terms of performance 
(and maybe it's not on the cfml engine side).  The experience was, I used web 
service to query a special db (optimized query) and extract and output result 
to requester, initially the whole process (query and extraction and pass them 
along as parameters of another query, return final results) was very efficient, 
either late last year or early this year.  Then, haven't touched it for a 
while, lately when I played with it again without any changes whatsover but 
decidedly slower (for an efficiency maniac like me), not good enough.  This 
puzzled me on its culprit ...

Now, back to the issue, I'd like to find out many possible ways/approaches to 
solve a problem (eliminate the least likely candidates in the first place), 
then, check out the most promising one(s) ...

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Re: Writing a re-usable business function with CF8

[Don L]

> On Friday 09 May 2008, Don L wrote:
> > Now, what if there's some free and light J2EE component, that be 
> easily
> > plugged into any web server, then, what?  maybe, any compiled cfml 
> code
> > (java bytecode) can run under such a web server environement, a 
> probable
> > yes? 

> Tom Chiverton

> You could, GPL permitting, packacge your application together with 
> OpenBD and ship it as a single 'unzip and run' file.

Thank you for the good info.  I now dug up some info on OpenBD, one version 
11MB (this one seems more applicable to this case), another 24MB, ahe, the 
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Re: Writing a re-usable business function with CF8

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>> standalone business function

The key word here is Flexibility.  Probably in essence, there are two big 
groups of web programming languages: java-based (CFML etc.) vs. Microsoft-based 
(asp, asp.NET etc.).  

And if my understanding is correct, any asp code would run under IIS web server 
without anything else; As for asp.NET, I don't know.  Now, for java-based code 
for web use, like CFML, the usual route is to use Adobe's CFML engine.  But you 
brought up an interesting option of using free CFML-compatible engine, however, 
I have some concerns and before I get into that, let me say, here the business 
case is, try to distribute a business function built in CF to your potential 
customers or whoever else (hence, the few requirements of installing this and 
that the better, naturally the more dependency the less reliability...).

Now, what if there's some free and light J2EE component, that be easily plugged 
into any web server, then, what?  maybe, any compiled cfml code (java bytecode) 
can run under such a web server environement, a probable yes?  And what's this 
option's key benefits if it's available?
a) performance probably would be good because of less overhead (not implying 
cfml-compatible engines are not);
b) customers are more likely receptive to it?

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Re: Writing a re-usable business function with CF8

[Don L]

> On Friday 09 May 2008, Don L wrote:
> > and then make it distributable to virtually any web server platform 
> (say,
> > for windows, IIS (5x,6x,7x?); for unix/linux flavor, Apache).
> 
> I'm not sure what you're asking but if you write your application in 
> CFML 
> it'll run on all of those yes, by magic.
> 
> -- 
> Tom Chiverton

> standalone business function
Sorry, I forgot to add, without cf8 server package. 

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Writing a re-usable business function with CF8

[Don L]

and then make it distributable to virtually any web server platform (say, for 
windows, IIS (5x,6x,7x?); for unix/linux flavor, Apache).

Some of you may have thought of this or even have been there done that.
Off my head, I'm thinking:
a) the business function;
b) a 'connector' to the target web server?  Or better, if the web server is 
J2EE-compliant then it can execute CF code right away but how many web servers 
are at this level in the market now? a royal question...
(Am really wondering and talking loud...)

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Re: Fancy auto-suggest

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>I would really caution against doing this.  My rule of thumb is that IF i
>have to explain the page to someone.  I didn't do my job designing it.  Your
>not going to be there to hold your users hand every time they come to your
>page.
>
>Build your page and give it to the most non techie person you know and don't
>say a word. Bring duct tape if you need to. Let them "discover" whats
>supposed to be done.  You will be amazed at what they will click on and what
>order they fill in forms.
>
>I found this out with an application I wrote recently.  I had several pieces
>of information iIneed and first, last name were not the first things on the
>list.  In fact they were auto populated from other data bits (employee
>ID) they filled out early on in the form.  BUT nearly all of them noticed
>those empty *first last name fields* in the middle of the screen  they
>all tried to fill those out first.  Kinda blew me away, the whole coolness
>of my form was lost on them cuz they didn't care about 'auto fill' or 'tab
>order' they just knew the answer to those fields so went there first.
>
>

> yes, check Dominic's follow-up; no, you'd be very CAREFUL, users may be 
> unable ...
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Fancy auto-suggest

[Don L]

I think there was a thread talking about two connected levels of auto-suggest 
or auto-suggest chain.  A quick search did not yield it.  Does anyone happen to 
recall something to the effect of that thread title?

The flow would be like something like the following:
(Instruction: 
a) first type an alphabetic letter in the box below to select categry;
b) press [space bar] after category select, then type the first digit of a 
zipcode.
-
a) pick a category of interest;
b) upon selection + space bar + auto-suggest zipcode
-

It shouldn't be difficult to do but am lazy (if someone has done just 'borrow' 
it...)...

Also, equally importantly, for public-facing app, how would you write the 
instruction above the Select box to ensure smart or dumb users can all 
understand and use it?

Another approach to solve the above problem would be to use two auto-suggest 
ajax control with two Select boxes, which might be clearer to users (especially 
for the public-facing app), however, personally I prefer the first/top 
approach, which seems more efficient...

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Re: CFLayout

[Don L]

> Hi all,
> 
> I have started a project utilizing the ajax commands in cf8 and I have 
> come across a situation.  I want to pull the data inside of the tabbed 
> areas of a cflayout 'only' when the tab is initiated (clicked on).  
> 
> I was wondering if anyone has any ideas of how to do it.  I was 
> attempting to determine the name of the tab that had been clicked, 
> however I can't seem to get that to work.  My original intention was 
> to get the name and then do a ColdFusion.Refresh style command to load 
> the data into the tab (I will probably put that data into a cfdiv 
> tag)
> 
> Any ideas?

> data loading for CFlayout and its family tag

First, great question.

The state of data for each CFlayoutarea tab is loaded (loaded upon the CFlayout 
execution) by default also seems to be confirmed in a way by the Source 
Attribute of this Tag in the LiveDocs.  It would be very desirable to another 
Attribute called to the effect of "Load" and default to True something, then 
for those of us efficiency maniacs, we can set the Load Attribute to False upon 
first load for all tabs other than the Selected one.

Sorry it does not answer your question but I hope it's relevant.

> William 


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Re: Java bytecode deployment for ColFusion8 App (Standard)

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> I'd like to deploy such a web app using a hosting service on Windows.  
> My own box is Windows XP Professional with IIS 5.x web server.  
> Here're two problems:
> a) the {default} index.cfm is not working;
> b) an image file on the first page failed to be rendered.
> (Everything else seems working fine).
> 
> The app uses cfwindow, cflayout and its family tags among others.  
> Have you encountered similar problem(s)?  Or am I missing something?
> 
> Thanks. 
> Resolved.
Never mind, I missed the image file.


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Java bytecode deployment for ColFusion8 App (Standard)

[Don L]

I'd like to deploy such a web app using a hosting service on Windows.  My own 
box is Windows XP Professional with IIS 5.x web server.  Here're two problems:
a) the {default} index.cfm is not working;
b) an image file on the first page failed to be rendered.
(Everything else seems working fine).

The app uses cfwindow, cflayout and its family tags among others.  Have you 
encountered similar problem(s)?  Or am I missing something?

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Re: CFdirectory under ColdFusion 8 (Standard)

[Don L]

> On Fri, May 2, 2008 at 3:46 PM, Don L <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> >   name="juiceFile" type="file" sort="directory DESC">
> >  the Sort attribute failed (it did not list files in z to a order).
> 
> 'directory' is only for recursive CFDIRECTORY calls.  You want 'name'
> field for files within the directory.
> 
> >   name="juiceFile" type="file" sort="size DESC">
> >  output includes Thumbs.db (the Type Attribute is supposed to 
> eliminate the Thumbs.db or is it my misunderstanding?)
> 
> Thumbs.db is a file, not a directory, so it's matched.  You probably
> want filter="*.jpg" or something.
> 
> cheers,
> barneyb
> 
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CFdirectory under ColdFusion 8 (Standard)

[Don L]

Oddities with this tag (OS=XP Professional):


the Sort attribute failed (it did not list files in z to a order).



output includes Thumbs.db (the Type Attribute is supposed to eliminate the 
Thumbs.db or is it my misunderstanding?)

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Re: multiple insert in coldfsuion

[Don L]

> i am looping through theform and collecting survey answers, if i 
> select multiple answers they get inserted on one line how can i insert 
> the value individulay? How can i modify the code so i can make the 
> code work the way i need 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 

> insert into answers (questionidfk,answer,empID,surveyID) values 
> (#ListLast(Evaluate("Form.#field#"),"_")#,'#Evaluate(field)#',#session.
> empID#,#url.survey#)

> 

> 

>  

If I understand your question correctly (one to multiple answers to one quesion 
with checkbox) then one efficient way to capture the data would be something 
like the following (you have to work on it...):





// the element list ...




 
 insert into answers (questionidfk,answer,empID,surveyID) values 
 (#ListLast(Evaluate("Form.#field#"),"_")#,'#Evaluate(field)#',#session.
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Re: ColdFusion 8 hosting

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>I have been using yohost.com for a few years.
>Brett and Laith have been great and very responsive.
>
>I started out of CF6 and now on CF8 and has been nothing but great
>service/support.
>

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Re: ColdFusion 8 hosting

[Don L]

>yohost.com and www.bmchosting.com
>Sorry... hostingatoz... I didn't realize you quoted it. :)
>
>On Mon, Apr 28, 2008 at 3:07 PM, D
>>

I didn't quote it (had assumed the thread title of cf8 hosting, didn't know 
that the forum software would take part of the first sentence of the immediate 
follow-up which didn't work for me, not sure if I'm the only one...). sorry. 

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Re: ColdFusion 8 hosting

[Don L]

> I've been with them for about 9 months now. Excellent customer 
> service
> and always willing to work with you. Seriously, I have no complaints
> save for when they upgraded to CF8, my sites were down for a few
> days... But it was cleared up somewhat fast.
> 
> I'd say go there and tell william I referred you.

Which of the two were you referring to?  Thks. 

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Re: ColdFusion 8 hosting

[Don L]

>Has anyone used hostingatoz's coldfusion hosting service and your experience?
>
>Thanks.

Here's an update.  I'm wondering if anyone has any experience with these two 
cf8 hosting companies, yohost.com and www.bmchosting.com.  TIA. 

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Re: ColdFusion 8 hosting

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> 
> Thank you all for your inputs.  I'm wondering if there's any company 
> in West VA or SW VA, SE VA or Kentucky that offers cf8 hosting service.  
> I hope this kind of business are still make some money.

Ok, here's another one, located in OK, hostfolio.com.  If sufficient interest 
exists I'll consider to create a quick/dirty (single-liner) app to rate each 
one...



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Re: ColdFusion 8 hosting

[Don L]

>I would like you to put as many clients as they have on the end of a
>DSL connection.
>
>Intersting though, I have seen mail come thourgh instantly from my php site:-)
>
>Oh wait a minute, I set those domains to use google mail. Doh.
>
>
>
>On Thu, Apr 24, 2008 at 8:41 PM, Dale Fraser <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>>

Thank you all for your inputs.  I'm wondering if there's any company in West VA 
or SW VA, SE VA or Kentucky that offers cf8 hosting service.  I hope this kind 
of business are still make some money.


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ColdFusion 8 hosting

[Don L]

Has anyone used hostingatoz's coldfusion hosting service and your experience?

Thanks. 

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Re: Ajax: Who's into Ajax and Business Cases

[Don L]

>Don:
>
>If you want to ask questions about AJAX, there are a vast number of other
>resources available to you.  Each of the major libraries has their own
>message board or Google group.
>
>Here's some URLs to get you started...
>http://www.adobe.com/cfusion/webforums/forum/categories.cfm?forumid=72&catid
>=602
>http://groups.google.com/group/jquery-en/
>http://forum.mootools.net/
>http://extjs.com/forum/
>http://tech.groups.yahoo.com/group/ydn-javascript/
>http://www.prototypejs.org/discuss
>
Great, Steve, thank you very much.  Don 

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Re: Firebug not playing nice

[Don L]

>Is this an issue with FireBug or FireFox?
>
>Rey...
>

Good question.  I tend to think on the FireBug side (disabling it everything 
works fine) but can't nail it down yet.  Will try to find FireFox related forum 
for a solution as well.  Thks.


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Firebug not playing nice

[Don L]

Upon loading ajax extensive page, it hangs (at creatingXMLhttpRequest ...)
But everything was working just fine with FF and security frame for FF or the 
network has not changed (at least not to my knowledge) and the same app works 
fine with IE (6/7).

Have any of you encountered a similar problem?
FF version is 2.0.0.14.

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Ajax: Who's into Ajax and Business Cases

[Don L]

First of all, the Ajax list activitity is not high, hence, I'm posting it to 
this one for more readership (it's also cf-related).

The main purpose of this post to find out who in this community are Much Into 
Ajax (I wish I could make them bold, to stand out), and equally important, you 
know how to make business cases with ajax features and functions.

Secondly, about Ajax resource (even cf-specific ajax resources) sharing.  Let 
me start with one, I find www.ajaxian.com useful.

Thanks.

P.S. 1) It would be nice if people post Ajax related topic with prefix of 
"Ajax: " for future reference.
P.S. 2) I propose to the list owner, to consider to expand the "ColdFusion 
Talk" to "Web App Development Talk centered on ColdFusion", I know a bit long 
...


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Re: default font size for a page

[Don L]

>
>[1] 
>[2] 

>[3] 
Another opinion on reset, and I kind of like it.  Can we say, for certain app, 
using reset might be a good practice while for another which has limited 
elements it might be an overhead?

>[4] 
>
>
>HTH
>Mark 

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Re: default font size for a page

[Don L]

>
>> One thing I've found extremely useful is CSS "reset" templates
>
>Yep, totally agree. They certainly help to alleviate some of the *pain* 
>in gaining consistent cross-browser rendering. Another good example is 
>Eric Meyer's reset sheet [3]. However, the global reset method  * 
>{margin:0; padding:0}  is now frowned upon and is probably best avoided 
>mainly due to problems with form rendering [4].
>
>Hopefully this didn't sound too critical since that is not my intention, 
>but as you can see it is very easy to go astray early on in the piece, 
>at least as far as CSS is concerned. And as they say, the road to hell 
>is paved with good intentions!!
>
>
>[1] 
>[2] 
>[3] 
>[4] 
>
>
>HTH
>Mark

I need to spend some quality time on this.  Just drop a note of appreciation. 

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Re: ajax submit form

[Don L]

> Guess I should have explained since the topic is shifting this 
> direction.
> 
> I don't have to worry about whether their JS is turned on.  It is for 
> a Intranet web site that I have control over what browsers and browser 
> settings are being used.
> 
> I just need to find the best functions in CF8 to accomplish my goal.  
> So far it looks like I have to brush up on my javascript to get CF8 to 
> do what I want.
> 
> I will check out the link you sent.
> 
> So far I have the following,  but I need to switch it to a form 
> instead of a hyperlink and somehow get the text input into the 
> ColdFusion.navigate function.  I think I can do this with javascript.
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 

> var mycallBack = function(){

> document.getElementById("callback").innerHTML = "

This is 
> printed by the callback handler.";

> } 
> 
> 

> var myerrorhandler = function(errorCode,errorMessage){

> alert("[In Error Handler]" + "\n\n" + "Error Code: " + errorCode + 
> "\n\n" + "Error Message: " + errorMessage);

> } 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 

> This is a cfwindow control.

> Click to navigate Window 2
> 
> 
> 

> This is a second cfwindow control.
> 
> 
> 
> 

You might want to look up more for the following two function/tags.
a) ColdFusion.Ajax.submitForm() (send back to the same div, I think)
b) CFAJAXPROXY (and it looks like you're doing that)

Knowledge of DOM would be handy as well...




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Re: CF and SQL Server temporary tables

[Don L]

>On Thu, Apr 17, 2008 at 8:38 AM, James Smith <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
>wrote:
>
>> If I remember correctly if you have CF maintaining connections your
>> temp table will hang around almost indefinitely, best practice would
>> be to DROP it once you are done with it.
>>
>>
>> Well I did some tests... and I determined that the table *DOES* get
>deleted at the end of the request... that's good.  Basically I ran a query
>that created a temp table, then I ran another request that selected from
>that temp table and it wasn't there .. so either it got deleted at the end
>of the request, *OR* the second request was a separate "session" and thus CF
>couldn't see the original temp table.
>
>Either way, that's good.
>
>rick

For temporary data manipulation, in general, "variable table", is more 
efficient than creating temporary tables, however, there are two exceptions 
where one can't use this technique.  You may consider BOL for more detail.


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Re: default font size for a page

[Don L]

>I haven't used CF8 and all the new goodness that uses the YUI libraries.
>I've simply included the libraries explicitly as needed by downloading their
>package.
>
>On Wed, Apr 16, 2008 at 4:37 PM, D

Out of curiosity, you didn't use cf8, to wait till 'dust' is over? 

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Re: Lots of bugs with cold fusion 8 (standard edition)

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> > Today I've found another one,  fontSizes="10pt" ...>, also tried  fontSizes=".8em" ...>,
> > The font size Attribute does not work, check livedocs without 
> indication as to what type of syntax it's expecting.  Or is it just 
> me?  No, I did not run 8.0.1, weary of it...
> 
> It is in the livedocs in the attributes table for the cftextarea tag.
> See http://livedocs.adobe.com/coldfusion/8/htmldocs/help.
> html?content=Tags-pt0_01.html.
> 
> The tag expects a comma-separated list of sizes formatted as font
> size/description. To modify your example, you would need  richtext="yes" fontsizes="10pt/10pt"...> to have 10pt appear as an
> option in the Size select list in the editor.
> 
> Hope this helps,
>Phillip
Silly me, problem resolved, never mind. I just added {content}.  Did not mean to start a flame. 

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Re: Lots of bugs with cold fusion 8 (standard edition)

[Don L]

> > Today I've found another one,  fontSizes="10pt" ...>, also tried  fontSizes=".8em" ...>,
> > The font size Attribute does not work, check livedocs without 
> indication as to what type of syntax it's expecting.  Or is it just 
> me?  No, I did not run 8.0.1, weary of it...
> 
> It is in the livedocs in the attributes table for the cftextarea tag.
> See http://livedocs.adobe.com/coldfusion/8/htmldocs/help.
> html?content=Tags-pt0_01.html.
> 
> The tag expects a comma-separated list of sizes formatted as font
> size/description. To modify your example, you would need  richtext="yes" fontsizes="10pt/10pt"...> to have 10pt appear as an
> option in the Size select list in the editor.
> 
> Hope this helps,
>Phillip
Thanks, I missed the doc, however, I intend to set a font size for content 
inside Text Area and Font selector is not included in my richeditor config.  
Attempt to use Style="font-size:smaller" as another attribute did not have 
effect... hmm, what else?


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Re: Lots of bugs with cold fusion 8 (standard edition)

[Don L]

> Whether or not you are wary of 801, it's silly to report bugs in 8 
> w/o
> at least testing them in 801 first.
> 
> 801 is the most recent release and it is pointless to report a bug in 
> 8 (imho).
> 

Why did you spend time to follow up a thread with ZERO value input? You WERE a 
respected community member, please don't overuse it.


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Re: Lots of bugs with cold fusion 8 (standard edition)

[Don L]

>How about:
>
>
>
>???
>

the richText attribute is required for this case. 

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Re: Lots of bugs with cold fusion 8 (standard edition)

[Don L]

> Hi Don,
> 
> I use an old custom tag for that functionality still. Google 
> cf_textarea
> 
> CF8 is really great. Its the frilly stuff that has issues. I try to 
> stay away from those items as much as I can.
> 
> -Jim 

Jim, I've used the cftextarea with richtext attribute and other stuff to create 
some new feature, with your approach I'm simply not sure how much risk it would 
be involved, thanks for the idea though. 

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Re: default font size for a page

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>One thing I've found extremely useful is CSS "reset" templates.  They
>essentially create a level playing field for the main browsers.  Yahoo! has
>one in their YUI package, and there are some available from others as well.
>The Yahoo! one sets a default size and then recommends using percentages to
>specify font sizes of other elements.
>
>On Wed, Apr 16, 2008 at 3:14 PM, D
>

Well, first of all, good to know and thanks.  I used quite a bit of the new 
ajax related tags/functions, which uses YUI, Ext libraries and from Firebug, I 
seem to remember, they uses CSS from these libraries as well, but not including 
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Lots of bugs with cold fusion 8 (standard edition)

[Don L]

Today I've found another one, , 
also tried , 
The font size Attribute does not work, check livedocs without indication as to 
what type of syntax it's expecting.  Or is it just me?  No, I did not run 
8.0.1, weary of it...



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Re: default font size for a page

[Don L]

>Should be font-size:smaller; rather than "small"
>
>Not too sure if I understand you. Can't you just wrap the home page content
>in a div?
>div style="font-size:smaller;">Or 80%, or 8pt;
>
>This does work in IE6, IE7 and FF. I've put up a really trivial page at
>http://www.itworldcanada.info/test/t2.htm to show this.
>

Yeah, thanks, I used 10pt works all right as well. 

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Re: default font size for a page

[Don L]

>Come on in, the water's fine! CSS is vital these days, and I promise you'll
>love it.
>
>To answer your question (maybe), you can use many units to specify
>font-size: pt, px, em, small, smaller etc. (But not all of them resize
>properly to meet accessibility requirements).
>
>At a quick glance, I can't see anything wrong with your style, IE7 is a LOT
>better than IE6. So what are you applying that style to? ? ? ?
>and what is it's scope?
>
>I generally apply a font style to * at the start of my css, ( isn't
>bad either, there's a couple of inheritence issues that the * overcomes)
>then overwite that default further down as required.
>
>
>Never paid too much attention to CSS, now it seems to bite me.  Is it
>possible to set a default font size to, say, 85%? so that, all the key ideas
>can be viewed on one screen without scrolling (suppose we know users' screen
>size)?  Also, the majority of the user community is not supposed to know how
>to set font size with their browser.
>
>My attempt of using
>style="font-family:'Trebuchet
>MS',Tahoma,Verdana,Arial,Helvetica;font-size:.85em;"
>or similar approach does not seem to have desired effect with IE7.
>
>Thanks.

Thanks, Dave.  Well, 'historically' usually the designer type took care of css, 
now the weird thing is, when I tried to set default font size to small, IE7 
didn't 'barge'.  I feel this is a catch-22 situation.  On one hand, if the home 
page 
using a smaller font size, subsequent pages do not look good while leaving the 
default font size to 100% does not make the starting page look good.  Don't 
know how to reconcile the esthetic and practicality. 





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Re: default font size for a page

[Don L]

>You need to assign a default font size to containers. I generally use this
>method:
>
>body, p, div, td {
>font-family: verdana;
>font-size: .8em;
>color: #00;
>} 
>

Thanks, I wasn't careful in placing similar code. 

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default font size for a page

[Don L]

Never paid too much attention to CSS, now it seems to bite me.  Is it possible 
to set a default font size to, say, 85%? so that, all the key ideas can be 
viewed on one screen without scrolling (suppose we know users' screen size)?  
Also, the majority of the user community is not supposed to know how to set 
font size with their browser.

My attempt of using 
style="font-family:'Trebuchet 
MS',Tahoma,Verdana,Arial,Helvetica;font-size:.85em;"
or similar approach does not seem to have desired effect with IE7.

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Re: need an opinion

[Don L]

> > >Beyond whether or not you have creativity, there are specific 
> skills 
> > and
> > >knowledge specific to design that you (and the rest of us) are 
> > unlikely to
> > >possess without training in that field. This is why we hire 
> > competent
> > >designers, rather than doing design work for which we're 
> unqualified, 
> > in the
> > >same way that we hire lawyers and accountants for their specific 
> > knowledge
> > >rather than doing that work ourselves.
> 
> it depends what your job is or what stage your business is at. i 
> suspect your not working for a big company or do not yet have a big 
> company as otherwise you would have hired someone to do it.
> 
> therefore i say keep going, you may not have as much knowledge as a 
> skilled designer but being a 'jack-of-all-trades' is required in the 
> beginning and does help later on when your business starts to grow. 
> 
> i admire that you ask people's opinion and actually take constructive 
> critism very well. keep taking the critisms and learning as we 
> learn the most from them
> 
> saying that.. yes i agree that the letters are positioned wrong, and 
> depends what context it is in. the logo needs to imply business, 
> technology and value in the image not the letters. totally agree that 
> at the moment it has a community feel.
> 
> good luck 

Thank you for your kindness.  Yes, I'm no longer with big corporate world, am 
living in sort of small town America now, and it looks like it would take 
longer than I thought to gain local acceptance, hence, I try to limit expense 
while trying to make some small step forward...  

If I miss some follow-up, just want you all to know that I truly appreciate it, 
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Re: need an opinion

[Don L]

>> My apology for OT.  Need an opinion, when you see the following icon,
>> http://24.254.1.94:8000/test/logo_idea.bmp
>> what do you make of it?  Also, it's boring, clearly I lack creativity.
>
>One of the keys to doing competent work without talent is to know your
>limitations.  Doing plain, boring - but usable, clean work is enough to look
>better than the vast majority of "design work" out there.  Nobody will
>mistake you for a professional designer, of course, but neither will you
>embarrass yourself.  ;^)
>
>That said the letters here are meaningless to me - for an icon you shouldn?t
>need letters, and if you DO need them then get rid of the graphic and use
>them.  They're small and difficult to read.  They also spoil the balance of
>the image - turning it from a nice, soft rectangle into a rather sharp
>pyramid.
>
>The image itself is okay - perhaps a little too detailed for an icon. You
>rarely see more than two objects in an icon and this one has six.  It also
>seems like you might be trying to indicate inclusiveness or diversity, but
>that might be better done with abstracts (even something as simple as
>multi-colored spheres or shapes) rather than actual people.
>
>Icons thrive on cliché - it's kind of counter-intuitive but REALLY creative
>icons are rarely understood because most people aren't that creative.  ;^)
>
>If this is a "signature" icon then you'll need to be unique and brand it
>appropriately, but for general application/website icons boring is best.
>Some are easy: "Print", "Save", "Home", etc.  Some are too abstract and so
>you have to do your best and reinforce the image.  For "community" the
>silhouette of several people, hands clasped, etc are all pretty clear.
>
>Sorry for lecturing.  It's really NOT at all a bad graphic - it's not a
>great icon, but it's not an embarrassing one either.  ;^) It's incredibly
>really hard to judge icons in isolation in any case - it's only really fair
>to judge them in a complete iconography with context.
>
>Jim Davis

Appreciate that you took time, formulated thoughts and sharing insights on 
this.  I'm totally open to more options and rigorous examination.


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Re: need an opinion

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>There is an issue of context. Following your description of the 'icon', 
>I would think that this icon is for a product itself. Not a functionary 
>icon, like 'print' or 'save', but rather an icon meant to start a 
>specific application. In that context, then the 'icon' is generally not 
>really an icon at all, but rather a scaled down representation of the 
>application's (or company's) logo.
>
>Now this gets tricky. I know (from a job I had in the past, outside of 
>web development) a little about branding. Establishing a 'brand' is 
>heavy business, and should never be taken lightly. As an example, what 
>image do you think of when you think of Nike? You think of the Nike 
>swoosh. Even without the word 'Nike', you see the swoosh and you know 
>that it's Nike. It's on every item they produce. It's on every tag. It's 
>even the favicon that shows up when you load all of their sites. You can 
>apply this with most any major software as well. Think Windows, Mac, 
>AOL. From an image/icon/logo standpoint I bet you connected those dots 
>without thought. (Incidentally, this is one area where ColdFusion has 
>lost out, as a brand, since Allaire was bought.)
>
>For this, I side with Dave. If this icon/logo is to be attached to 
>something that should come back favorably to you and your work (be that 
>in revenue, word of mouth, work you want associated with you as a 
>developer...) then you should seriously consider hiring a designer to 
>create a professional logo. Create a brand identity. It's not your 
>personal creativity at question, but the value you are attempting to 
>create, build and portray.
>
>Steve "Cutter" Blades
>Adobe Certified Professional
>Advanced Macromedia ColdFusion MX 7 Developer
>_

Somehow, my response hasn't shown up.  So, I'm re-writing my reply.  Man, 
you're TALKING.  Very thoughtful.  Thank you.


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Re: need an opinion

[Don L]

>put the letters in the faces
>
>are you starting a cult? there aren't enough these days...
>-that's my opinion

Yeah, let's get it started :) 

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Re: need an opinion

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>There is an issue of context. Following your description of the 'icon', 
>I would think that this icon is for a product itself. Not a functionary 
>icon, like 'print' or 'save', but rather an icon meant to start a 
>specific application. In that context, then the 'icon' is generally not 
>really an icon at all, but rather a scaled down representation of the 
>application's (or company's) logo.
>
>Now this gets tricky. I know (from a job I had in the past, outside of 
>web development) a little about branding. Establishing a 'brand' is 
>heavy business, and should never be taken lightly. As an example, what 
>image do you think of when you think of Nike? You think of the Nike 
>swoosh. Even without the word 'Nike', you see the swoosh and you know 
>that it's Nike. It's on every item they produce. It's on every tag. It's 
>even the favicon that shows up when you load all of their sites. You can 
>apply this with most any major software as well. Think Windows, Mac, 
>AOL. From an image/icon/logo standpoint I bet you connected those dots 
>without thought. (Incidentally, this is one area where ColdFusion has 
>lost out, as a brand, since Allaire was bought.)
>
>For this, I side with Dave. If this icon/logo is to be attached to 
>something that should come back favorably to you and your work (be that 
>in revenue, word of mouth, work you want associated with you as a 
>developer...) then you should seriously consider hiring a designer to 
>create a professional logo. Create a brand identity. It's not your 
>personal creativity at question, but the value you are attempting to 
>create, build and portray.
>
>Steve "Cutter" Blades
>Adobe Certified Professional
>Advanced Macromedia ColdFusion MX 7 Developer
>_
>http://blog.cutterscrossing.com

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Re: need an opinion

[Don L]

>> My apology for OT.  Need an opinion, when you see the 
>> following icon, http://24.254.1.94:8000/test/logo_idea.bmp
>> what do you make of it?  Also, it's boring, clearly I lack 
>> creativity.
>
>Beyond whether or not you have creativity, there are specific skills and
>knowledge specific to design that you (and the rest of us) are unlikely to
>possess without training in that field. This is why we hire competent
>designers, rather than doing design work for which we're unqualified, in the
>same way that we hire lawyers and accountants for their specific knowledge
>rather than doing that work ourselves.
>
>Dave Watts, CTO, Fig Leaf Software
>http://www.figleaf.com/

Opinion of one type, and I respect it too, thanks.  And yes, if it were quite a 
bit of graphics work, I wouldn't even try it.


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Re: need an opinion

[Don L]

>Well, if we're supposed to know what BTV is or does from looking at the
>logo, I can't.

Thanks for your input, Dave.  Don 

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Re: need an opinion

[Don L]

>Reminds me of the windows 'User Account' icon... faceless diversity.
>
>.:.:.:.:.:.:.:.:.:.:.:.:.
>Bobby Hartsfield
>http://acoderslife.com
>http://cf4em.com

Bobby, diversity wasn't something was my mind but rather PEOPLE (the general 
sense).  But thanks for your thought on the 'faceless' part; so, it could come 
across wrong way (the person has an attitude or the sort).

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Re: need an opinion

[Don L]

> Don--
> 
> Honestly, I don't think it's bad at all.  If I came across it, I would 
> be confused about the meaning of "B T V", but would probably assume 
> that the icon represented something to do with "community" or 
> something similar to that.
> 
> My $.02~

Hey Joel, thank you for your thought.  I knew it :)  The idea was, T for 
technology, B for business, and V for Value; using Technology to 
provide/generate Business Value; at the center of all this, is PEOPLE.  People 
first.  But at the moment, I simply couldn't come up with any creativity, it's 
too plain. 

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Re: Multiple forms on same page and client side data validation

[Don L]

>>>My key point was, to re-use cfform's built-in client data validation 
>capability for my case if that's possible,
>
>Well, if you use CFFORM, it should be possible for sure, or do you mean 
>you want to use CFFORM validation WITHOUT using CFFORM?
>

Did you have a chance to copy/paste and try the code in my OP?  Tks. 

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OT: need an opinion

[Don L]

My apology for OT.  Need an opinion, when you see the following icon, 
http://24.254.1.94:8000/test/logo_idea.bmp
what do you make of it?  Also, it's boring, clearly I lack creativity.

Thanks. 

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Re: Multiple forms on same page and client side data validation

[Don L]

>>>Are you an expert in, say, DOM?
>
>Yes.
>
> >>  To my knowledge, each and all "web"/script page, be it written in 
>cf, jsp, asp, php, would be rendered by a UA (browser here), and the 
>underlying technology for that is DOM, so, it does not matter how many 
>HTML forms on a 'page'/script the web server sends to the browser, the 
>UI would do it its rendering.
>
>
> >>however, that approach/technique defeats the purpose of using CFFORM 
>(which does data validation among others), why reinvest the wheel? 
>
>Well, in the case of CFFORM, believe me, it is worth ;-)
>
>But if you're saying, cf-supported data validation can only support one 
>form on a page/script then its design is totally yester-year,
>
>I never use CFFORM, because there are many things I need which are not 
>available with CFFORM.
>May be it got more developed now, but I've designed my own system, and 
>I'm happy with it.
>However, I'd be surprised you cannot have several CFFORM in the same page.
>

My key point was, to re-use cfform's built-in client data validation capability 
for my case if that's possible, for one thing, it saves time of reventing 
wheel, for instance, do you build you own credit card validation schema?  or 
borrow algo for it?
If it can I think Adobe would help and save a lot of developers' time, to say 
the least.


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Re: Multiple forms on same page and client side data validation

[Don L]

>Unless I'm missing something, or you're doing something you've not mentioned
>(eg an Ajax call to handle the data of each 'step'), what he's saying is,
>when your final "step" gets submitted, all the data from the prior steps is
>lost. Only the submitted form's data is available to the action page.
>On Tue, Apr 15, 2008 at 10:35 AM, D
>
>>

I think probably you're right.  Readers are not supposed to infer my comment of
// ignore data capture, which means, I've already taken care of validation data 
capture after validation at each interval/form sending via ajax call.  Also, 
the idea of not using the exising "form group" with tabs is to further 
eliminate error/misundertanding possibility (when you have only one form in 
front of you/user at any given point of time).

Thanks.





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Re: Multiple forms on same page and client side data validation

[Don L]

>>>Unfortunately multi-tab form is parallel (I believe) while my case is 
>sequential processing
>
>There is no "sequential processing" of multiple forms possible in HTML.
>You can have several forms in a page, but only one can submit.
>Tab forms is a solution to temporarily hide parts of a form, but only
>one form is needed.
>

Are you an expert in, say, DOM?  To my knowledge, each and all "web"/script 
page, be it written in cf, jsp, asp, php, would be rendered by a UA (browser 
here), and the underlying technology for that is DOM, so, it does not matter 
how many HTML forms on a 'page'/script the web server sends to the browser, the 
UI would do it its rendering.  I could write client side javascript for data 
validation for each form, however, that approach/technique defeats the purpose 
of using CFFORM (which does data validation among others), why reinvest the 
wheel?  Or am I not thinking straight?  But if you're saying, cf-supported data 
validation can only support one form on a page/script then its design is 
totally yester-year, and I hope Adobe engineers can step up the challenge, 
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Re: Multiple forms on same page and client side data validation

[Don L]

>> Has anyone moved on to more interactivity and more client side processing?
>
>Have you considered a multi-tab form?
>
>This is something I was involved two years ago:
>http://www.imd.ch/programs/emba/visitsevents/campus-visit-form.cfm?prog=EMBA
>
>I would implement certain things in a different way, but maybe it could 
>inspire you
>
>
>Massimo Foti, web-programmer for hire
>Tools for ColdFusion and Dreamweaver developers:
>http://www.massimocorner.com
>

Unfortunately multi-tab form is parallel (I believe) while my case is 
sequential processing (also presenting as fewer data and tab on the screen as 
possible).  Thanks though.

>I would implement certain things in a different way, but maybe it could 
>inspire you
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Multiple forms on same page and client side data validation

[Don L]

Hi,

Has anyone moved on to more interactivity and more client side processing?
I admit this is my first one of this type.  
Env: cold fusion 8 standard.

The idea is to utilize the built-in cf client side data validation (handy, e.g. 
credit card etc).  Let me know if you have better luck, thanks.

Requirement/Problem Detail
--
Requirement:
a) do client side data validation for form 1; 
// ignore data capture
b) move on to form 2

Code:


http://www.w3.org/1999/xhtml";>

Multiple Forms and Data Validation


Multiple Forms and Data Validation




Name: 


Email: 













 
Card type:
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Master
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Re: Migrating to Application.cfc

[Don L]

>The primary one is that you can't set variables in the page's
>variables scope without using onRequest, which breaks remote calls.
>You can use the request scope from onRequestStart, of course, but
>there are different semantics for that (like being shared across
>CFCs/custom tags).  Less troubling, but still annoying, is that the
>property names used to configure the application are not enforced at
>all, so a typo there can be very difficult to track down.

Out of curiosity, is this thing by design or an oversight?  Thks. 

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Re: Looking for creative implementation of cf ajax related tags/functions

[Don L]

>Just out of curiosity... if you cannot garner the functionality that  
>you desire of the built-in tag, why be limited by it?  There are a  
>plethora of other Ajaxy type libraries available that can help  
>accomplish a goal, why limit yourself to just one?
>
>
>Matthew Williams
>Geodesic GraFX
>www.geodesicgrafx.com/blog

Well, I think probably you missed my point or I'm lousy in getting points 
across.  I'm more like looking for originality in solution, and bear with me 
for a shameful self-promotioin, case one, I've used cfajaxproxy its 'crew', 
with other cf tag/function, and with dom etc. to create a feature, that my beta 
users say, 'wow, it's very cool, I like it very much'.  So, with the same 
token, other developers may have done the same (using same/similar 
technology/techniques) to create something new and exciting, and most of all, 
Useful.

Yes, your point of branching out to other proven libraries is well taken, I 
need to evaluate cost/benefit for that approach...

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Looking for creative implementation of cf ajax related tags/functions

[Don L]

Technically I'm talking about using cf8; on business end, I'm talking about 
adding/creating Business Value while improving User Experience.  One particular 
tag to me is CFAJAXPROXY, and I've used it in tandom with some other cf 
feature(s) to create something new (and hopefully, it can achieve some of its 
business goal to some degree).

Yes, I've done quite a bit of research in this particular area, so, to those 
who's also very interested in this topic and have made substantial advance, yet 
with humility, care to share resources and a bit of your creativity? to 
ego-maniac, show me your beef if you truly got some.

To make the point further clearer, can you make the CFAJAXPROXY or its family 
tags bend, yes, bend?  (I couldn't go any further at this point)

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Re: Adobe CF Customer Support Experience

[Don L]

"we guessed"
Also, speak for your own being self, not the rest 99% decent Americans!

James --> C ..
Homes --> F ..

> Yeah, we guessed.
> 
> On Mon, Apr 7, 2008 at 11:16 PM, Hemant Khandelwal <[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> com> wrote:
> > A quick update, we have resolved this issue with Don, and it turned 
> out there was an error in the code example that he submitted and that 
> was what was causing the issue.
> 
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> mxAjax / CFAjax docs and other useful articles:
> http://www.bifrost.com.
au/blog/ 

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Re: Adobe CF Customer Support Experience

[Don L]

> A quick update, we have resolved this issue with Don, and it turned 
> out there was an error in the code example that he submitted and that 
> was what was causing the issue.
> 
> Thanks,
> Hemant
> Adobe ColdFusion Team 

Just some notes since we're at it.  
* It feels good a problem has been resolved (I'm a paid customer).
* Damon is an exceptional executive.  
- The process takes 4 or 5 Adobe engieers a whole week to figure it out or ?
- I believe I've tried the same technique if memory serves with both IE7 and 
FF2 (Akamai probably had a dirty hand with FF2... IE7, don't know, weird 
though, deleting temp file poped up a tiny status bar...; I've tried another 
computer ...)

PLEASE stop here and let this thing DIE.


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Re: Adobe CF Customer Support Experience

[Don L]

Guess what?  C F, you're disgusting and despicable!  Keep on whatever your evil 
mind and souless being allows you to do in your power ...

"Allowing evil acts commited to a man (you) is a lemon"
-- Jessie V.

> Yeah, we guessed.
> 
> On Mon, Apr 7, 2008 at 11:16 PM, Hemant Khandelwal <[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> com> wrote:
> > A quick update, we have resolved this issue with Don, and it turned 
> out there was an error in the code example that he submitted and that 
> was what was causing the issue.
> 
> -- 
> mxAjax / CFAjax docs and other useful articles:
> http://www.bifrost.com.
au/blog/ 

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Re: Adobe CF Customer Support Experience

[Don L]

You need to read my description in its Entirety.  It's totally unlike the usual 
you, to add a comment without thinking of contribution to the thread.

>D
>> Problem Statement
>> -
>> "I find it PAINFUL that some of the
>> cfjax-related functions I'm implementing are not
>> consistent in reliability.
>
>"Not consistent in reliability" to me means that the behavior is 
>different when an invocation is repeated multiple times.
>
>
>> For instance, I don't have
>> any problem writing data to db via CFAJAXPROXY call to
>> cfc and js class to the same page, and I can also,
>> retrieve some data and bind it to a DIV of the caller
>> page for Display, but the "client side data binding"
>> fails to do binding at Value attribute level, e.g.
>> psuduo code:
>
>I'm not seeing multiple invocation of the same code, I'm seeing 
>different code.
>
>
>> Am I not a reasonable customer?
>
>If I understand you correctly your problem is an inconsistency in the 
>language design between elements and attributes. In that case, sorry, 
>too late, you should have raised it during a beta when a change wouldn't 
>have caused backward compatibility issues. No matter how broken it is, 
>changing the design of a language after it has been released is worse.
>And if I don't understand you correctly I can hardly fault an Adobe QA 
>engineer for don't understanding your issue either :)
>
>Jochem 

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Re: Adobe CF Customer Support Experience

[Don L]

First of all, did you get a sense that the person understood the Problem 
Statement?
Which is,
// at step 1
input type="hidden" id='passDataOn' value=''
// after step 1 (first form submission), Expected Result
input type="hidden" id='passDataOn' value='newData' 
// the value Attribute IS POPULATED

Not achieving intended result !== code error;

> On Friday 04 Apr 2008, Don L wrote:
> They said:
> > Also I would need a code snippet that fails. The code that you have
> > attached, works fine for us.
> You want them to say:
> > problem you described of cf8's failure of binding/adding to a FORM 
> hidden
> > field's Value attribute with a CFC returned simple value did not 
> occur to
> > us (it works for us). 
> 
> Umm ? Same thing ?
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Adobe CF Customer Support Experience

[Don L]

Here's my Adobe CF support experience, hope you've had a better luck.  But 
first, let me say, their top executive for CF, Damon, is superb and extremely 
professional.  But it seems to got lost down the chain or in the 'translation' 
something.

Here's the scoop.  
Problem Statement
-
"I find it PAINFUL that some of the
cfjax-related functions I'm implementing are not
consistent in reliability.  For instance, I don't have
any problem writing data to db via CFAJAXPROXY call to
cfc and js class to the same page, and I can also,
retrieve some data and bind it to a DIV of the caller
page for Display, but the "client side data binding"
fails to do binding at Value attribute level, e.g.
psuduo code: 
bind to div id{'showData'} 
// result: data retrieved from the
biding

// however, for the following binding
// methods: a) cfc - js class; 
// b)at direct target level of bind:cfcName.Method()
bind to input type="hidden" id='passDataOn'
// result
input type="hidden" id='passDataOn' value=''
How come?
-
PROBLEM: value Attribute is expected to have some value but NONE!

(Time: Monday, March 31)

This morning, I finally got an Adobe engineer's email:
"
Hi Don,

I understand that you are facing some issue with CFAJAXPROXY.
I am the QA for AJAX and I would like to know the problem in detail.
Also I would need a code snippet that fails. The code that you have attached, 
works fine for us.

I need a failing code so that I exactly know what is going wrong where.

Could you please find some time for this so that we can provide you with a 
quick solution?

Thanks,
xxx
---

What I would expect would be to the effect of the following,
"
Don,

I've looked at the attached three templates (caller, cfc and js), the problem 
you described of cf8's failure of binding/adding to a FORM hidden field's Value 
attribute with a CFC returned simple value did not occur to us (it works for 
us).  Or indeed the cfc's callback value wasn't written to the hidden field's 
Value attribute.

If the second case is true, we ...


"

I responded with request for clarification right away, got no response.

Am I not a reasonable customer?


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Re: Tough nuts! -- possible bug with cfajaxproxy

[Don L]

>it should.
>
>Azadi Saryev
>Sabai-dee.com
>http://www.sabai-dee.com/

"shouldn't d.setCallbackHandler(passIdOn) be BEFORE d.doSave()?"

Yes, Azadi, I did change the order to no avail.  The b) possibility is very 
strong, another sign, when I clear the browser cache, a tiny tab showed up in 
the status bar, which never happened before or MS has changed the IE7.

Thanks.


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Re: Tough nuts! -- possible bug with cfajaxproxy

[Don L]

> goal: pass cfc's simple result value back to caller page and set the 
> page's hidden field of 'uid' with this value.
> 
> method: cfajaxproxy, cfc and js class library
> js code snip:
> function Save(frm){
>   var d = new doSave();
>   d.setForm(frm);
>   d.setHTTPMethod('POST')
>   d.doSave(); // and return the inserted uid
>   d.setCallbackHandler(passIdOn);
> }
> 
> function passIdOn(id) {
 
> document.getElementById('uid').innertHTML = id;

// 03/30/2008
// for debug: populate the 'testDivId' caller CFM div
  document.getElementById('testDivId').innertHTML = id;
// result: an {id} value is displayed for the div, however,
alert(document.getElementById('testDivId').innerHTML);
indicates ''.

// comments:
this test seems to suggest that a) the cfajaxproxy writes/displays the {id} 
value to the target DIV, however, it DOES NOT Set the DIV Value={id};
b) my box is compromised (thing do not work as intended)

probably a) is more likely for some top CF experts are also looking into the 
problem and didn't seem to have found an answer yet... or I may be a bit 
impatient...

c) not surprisingly I'm an idiot...

thks.

> }
> 
> problem:
> a) IE7 complains about internal server error
> b) FF2 fails without error
> 
> What am I not doing right?
> 
> Thanks.
> 
> P.S. bear in mind everything works fine save the setCallbackHandler 
> part...
> 


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Re: Tough nuts! (setCallbackHandler)

[Don L]

>>OK, you have part of the battle. That tells you what the cfc is doing, 
>
>Yes, 
>now the js code looks like this:
>
>function passIdOn(id) {
>// if (id) {
> console.log(id);
> document.getElementById('testId').innerHTML = id; // testId is not a hidden 
> field
> document.getElementById('userId').innerHTML = id;
>// }
>}

Cutter, console.log(id) returns correct value, database captures data as 
expected, why did the above 'testId' and 'userId' field value reset/population 
fail? (for both IE7 and FF2)?  

Thanks.


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