Re: Nice slideshow script?

[John M Bliss]

Perhaps http://labs.adobe.com/technologies/spry/demos/gallery/ ...?

On Sun, Oct 17, 2010 at 12:32 PM, Pete Ruckelshaus
pruckelsh...@gmail.comwrote:


 I'm looking for suggestions on a nice, elegant,
 straightforward-to-implement
 slideshow script.  I don't want to use cfpresentation for a myriad of
 reasons.  Is there anything that hooks into CF9's built-in AJAX stuff?

 Thanks

 Pete


 

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RE: Nice slideshow script?

[andy matthews]

I always suggest Mike Alsup's Cycle plugin for slideshows. It's simple, easy
to implement, and has lots of options.



andy

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Sent: Sunday, October 17, 2010 12:33 PM
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Subject: Nice slideshow script?


I'm looking for suggestions on a nice, elegant, straightforward-to-implement
slideshow script.  I don't want to use cfpresentation for a myriad of
reasons.  Is there anything that hooks into CF9's built-in AJAX stuff?

Thanks

Pete




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RE: Nice slideshow script?

[andy matthews]

http://malsup.com/jquery/cycle/

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From: Pete Ruckelshaus [mailto:pruckelsh...@gmail.com] 
Sent: Sunday, October 17, 2010 12:33 PM
To: cf-talk
Subject: Nice slideshow script?


I'm looking for suggestions on a nice, elegant, straightforward-to-implement
slideshow script.  I don't want to use cfpresentation for a myriad of
reasons.  Is there anything that hooks into CF9's built-in AJAX stuff?

Thanks

Pete




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Re: Nice slideshow script?

[Azadi Saryev]

  +1 for Cycle jQuery plugin

can also recommend:
CrossSlide - http://tobia.github.com/CrossSlide/ - especially if you 
like Ken Burns effect
ColorBox - http://colorpowered.com/colorbox/ - the new thickbox
AnythingSlider - http://css-tricks.com/examples/AnythingSlider/ - if 
it's not just images you need to slide...

and of course http://slidesix.com/ for your presentation slides...

Azadi


On 18/10/2010 01:32 , Pete Ruckelshaus wrote:
 I'm looking for suggestions on a nice, elegant, straightforward-to-implement
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 Thanks

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RE: Developer Platform suggestions was Re: Nice

[Ryan Kime]

Just curious Jason: was it hardware or software problems? HD failures? Bad
tech support? AOL too slow? (kidding on the last one!)


-Original Message-
From: Jason Miller [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] 
Sent: Wednesday, September 11, 2002 11:44 PM
To: CF-Talk
Subject: Re: Developer Platform suggestions was Re: Nice


Out of 5 personal machines - I have a dell dimension XPS 8100 with 512 Mb
RAm / 1 ghz / 2 -120 gb drives- 
Piece o crap since day 1. Sorry -ran great for the first 2 hours.

I then decided may be a lemon 0- -so I bought a Dell  PRecision 530 - 2 ghz
proc / 4 -80 gig scsi raid drives / 4 gig of ram - both running 2000
- That one ran smooth for 4 months before performance went completely down
the toilet. Not cheap machines either.

i didn't post to brag above - I felt I just had to reply that I would never
buy another dell again. jay miller

Tony Weeg wrote:


oh yeah, dell latitude laptop 40gb/833mHz/512ram
SOLID.

cfmx
xp
cfstudio 5
photoshop 7
sql server 2000

tony

Tony Weeg
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Information System Design
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-Original Message-
From: Joshua Miller [ mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] ] 
Sent: Wednesday, September 11, 2002 11:36 AM
To: CF-Talk
Subject: RE: Developer Platform suggestions was Re: Nice


I've got a Dimension 4100 that I've been using for almost 3 years now (PIII
800/60gb/512mb) and it's been rock solid since day 1. My only problems were
the IBM DeskStar 75gb drives that they kept sending me - I had 3 before they
sent me 2 60gb - but that's not Dell's fault.

Joshua Miller
[EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] 


-Original Message-
From: Kreig Zimmerman [ mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] ] 
Sent: Wednesday, September 11, 2002 11:19 AM
To: CF-Talk
Subject: Re: Developer Platform suggestions was Re: Nice


I have to say as regards Dell...

I've found the OptiPlex (business line) to be rock-solid Dimension
(consumer-line)...  always some weird problem.

Any similar experience?  Point is if Dell, I would HIGHLY recommend you 
go for their business-line system.

Tony Carcieri wrote:


Damn, I didn't know they were doing that! I have always had a Dell at 
work and have never had problems. i tried to talk my father-in-law into



it, but nope, he liked his Gateway...he's wishing he had a Dell now ;-)

 







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Re: Developer Platform suggestions was Re: Nice

[Sean A Corfield]

On Tuesday, September 10, 2002, at 10:25 , Joe Eugene wrote:
 vi rocks :)
 whats that?

Aw, Joe, you just made my day... you are *so* funny! :)

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Re: Developer Platform suggestions was Re: Nice

[Jochem van Dieten]

Sean A Corfield wrote:
 On Tuesday, September 10, 2002, at 11:09 , Joe Eugene wrote:
 
C# is basically Microsofts version of Java..
 
 
 Pardon?

I think that is quite right when you look at how it is positioned by 
Microsoft. It appears to be their main programming language for 
application development, it is (supposed to be) platform independent (in 
practice this would require many more libraries being available for 
other platforms, but in early versions Java apps were hardly portable 
either) etc.

Technically they might be quite different, but they are hunting for the 
same market.

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RE: Developer Platform suggestions was Re: Nice

[Jesse Noller]

Dick-

You wanted a serious reply, I'll give you a serious answer. Go with the 
following:

WindowsXP
Apache
MySQL/Postgres
CFMX - duh
DWMX

There ya go. There's your demo, there's your development platform. The fact is that 
you probably DO NOT want to go with a Linux laptop. Why?

1: The desktop sucks
2: Too many concessions when it comes to just getting stuff done
3: eXtreme learning curve, preventing you from just getting work done
4: It's more supported than the Linux desktop


This comes from someone who had been using Linux since he first downloaded 
Slackware v1 ontot 4.1 trillion floppy disks. I run it as a desktop, and I HATE it as 
a desktop. It's kludgy, mozilla sucks as a browser, software support is crap, and I 
could continue.

Yes, I am a Linux user and supporter, as a SERVER, not as a desktop, much less 
a full blown development and demo platform. It's that simple.


I've ran Linux on oh, I dunno, about 20 laptops in the past 3 years. I've 
disliked, nay, hated it each and every time, it truly is a nightmare.

Leave Unix and Linux where they truly shine, on the server. Put windows where 
it belongs, on a desktop where the Shiny widgets can be of some use. 

Jesse Noller
[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Macromedia Server Development
Unix/Linux special guy 

But I ned tacos! I need them or I will
explode! That happens to me sometimes! -GIR

 -Original Message-
 From: Dick Applebaum [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
 Sent: Tuesday, September 10, 2002 3:20 PM
 To: CF-Talk
 Subject: Re: Developer Platform suggestions was Re: Nice
 
 Jesse
 
 Knowing some of your platform preferences, I don't think that is a
 serious answer -- the original question is serious, though!
 
 Dick
 
 
 On Tuesday, September 10, 2002, at 10:57 AM, Jesse Noller wrote:
 
  I would highly recommend OS2/Warp 4
 
  Jesse Noller
  [EMAIL PROTECTED]
  Macromedia Server Development
  Unix/Linux special guy
 
  But I ned tacos! I need them or I will
  explode! That happens to me sometimes! -GIR
 
  -Original Message-
  From: Matt Liotta [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
  Sent: Tuesday, September 10, 2002 1:37 PM
  To: CF-Talk
  Subject: RE: Developer Platform suggestions was Re: Nice
 
  IMHO, I'd go with Linux. Not only does CF run the best on Linux, but
  you
  also have access to any kind of text editor/IDE you could want. Many
  of
  them are way better than DMX, which isn't saying much I know, but
  there
  it is. Plus, Linux is as stable as it gets and is free.
 
  Matt Liotta
  President  CEO
  Montara Software, Inc.
  http://www.montarasoftware.com/
  888-408-0900 x901
 
  -Original Message-
  From: Jeffry Houser [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
  Sent: Tuesday, September 10, 2002 10:23 AM
  To: CF-Talk
  Subject: Re: Developer Platform suggestions was Re: Nice
 
I've used Windows 9x and they worked okay as long as you rebooted
  at
  least once a day (preferably twice).
 
I use Windows 2000 now.  I've had few problems and the system is
  very
  stable, even if I don't reboot it for 3-4 days.
 
  At 10:12 AM 9/10/2002 -0700, you wrote:
  Ya' know, it gets pretty old...  I am beginning to accept the fact
  that
  as a Mac/CF developer, I will always be a second-class citizen, and
  not
  have equal resources with the competition.
 
  So, I am open to suggestions:
 
  If you could chose a platform today, with no baggage, what would it
  be?
 
  I am seriously looking for suggestions!
 
  TIA
 
  Dick
 
 
  On Tuesday, September 10, 2002, at 09:56 AM, Stephen Moretti wrote:
 
  It doesn't work on a Mac -- why doesn't that surprise me?
 
  Dick
 
  On Tuesday, September 10, 2002, at 08:18 AM, Bryan F. Hogan
  wrote:
 
  http://cfm.blogspot.com/
 
What easter egg?
 
  At 11:10 AM 9/10/2002 -0400, you wrote:
  I like the CF Easter Egg
 
 
 
  Ok I shouldn't really do this on CF-Talk, but I can't resist.
  Sorry
  Michael.
 
  Does anything work on a Mac???
 
  Sorry Dick Only joking!
 
 
  Stephen
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
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Re: Developer Platform suggestions was Re: Nice

[Kreig Zimmerman]

I have to say as regards Dell...

I've found the OptiPlex (business line) to be rock-solid
Dimension (consumer-line)...  always some weird problem.

Any similar experience?  Point is if Dell, I would HIGHLY recommend you 
go for their business-line system.

Tony Carcieri wrote:

Damn, I didn't know they were doing that! I have always had a Dell at work
and have never had problems. i tried to talk my father-in-law into it, but
nope, he liked his Gateway...he's wishing he had a Dell now ;-)

  


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RE: Developer Platform suggestions was Re: Nice

[Joshua Miller]

I've got a Dimension 4100 that I've been using for almost 3 years now
(PIII 800/60gb/512mb) and it's been rock solid since day 1. My only
problems were the IBM DeskStar 75gb drives that they kept sending me - I
had 3 before they sent me 2 60gb - but that's not Dell's fault.

Joshua Miller
[EMAIL PROTECTED]


-Original Message-
From: Kreig Zimmerman [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] 
Sent: Wednesday, September 11, 2002 11:19 AM
To: CF-Talk
Subject: Re: Developer Platform suggestions was Re: Nice


I have to say as regards Dell...

I've found the OptiPlex (business line) to be rock-solid Dimension
(consumer-line)...  always some weird problem.

Any similar experience?  Point is if Dell, I would HIGHLY recommend you 
go for their business-line system.

Tony Carcieri wrote:

Damn, I didn't know they were doing that! I have always had a Dell at 
work and have never had problems. i tried to talk my father-in-law into

it, but nope, he liked his Gateway...he's wishing he had a Dell now ;-)

  


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RE: Developer Platform suggestions was Re: Nice

[Tony Carcieri]

I haven't had a Dimension, but can speak VERY highly for their Optiplex and
Inspiron lines.

I used to have a VERY sweet system at a previous job:
Dell Optiplex Dual P3 800
1 GB RAM
CD Burner
60 GB HD
Dual 21 inch monitors

Ahh, I miss that computer. Blazingly fast.

-Original Message-
From: Kreig Zimmerman [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
Sent: Wednesday, September 11, 2002 11:19 AM
To: CF-Talk
Subject: Re: Developer Platform suggestions was Re: Nice


I have to say as regards Dell...

I've found the OptiPlex (business line) to be rock-solid
Dimension (consumer-line)...  always some weird problem.

Any similar experience?  Point is if Dell, I would HIGHLY recommend you
go for their business-line system.

Tony Carcieri wrote:

Damn, I didn't know they were doing that! I have always had a Dell at work
and have never had problems. i tried to talk my father-in-law into it, but
nope, he liked his Gateway...he's wishing he had a Dell now ;-)




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Re: Developer Platform suggestions was Re: Nice

[Dick Applebaum]

Jesse

I appreciate your answer, and it does surprise me!

I have no experience with win2k, but was put off by winXP's constant 
nagging (kinda' reminds me of myself).
Why XP over 2k?

I will use some Java also.

I have been experimenting with JEdit -- it appears to be a great editor.

I especially like the ability to fold  (compress and expand) 
independent portions of a program or document (based on indentation or 
user-supplied information).

I also use ViennaSQL as a general-purpose GUI SQL Client.  You can 
interface any db with a JDBC driver, and interactively do such things 
as:

define connections (similar to define datasources in the CF admin)
create/drop databases
create/alter/drop tables
examine schemas
issue SQL commands

I find it to be a great development tool - you can interactively create 
and validate complex SQL, then copy/paste it to your CF code.

I mention JEdit and ViennaSQL because I think that both these functions 
are performed by DWMX on non-Mac platforms.

I understand the advantage of using 1 integrated tool, but does DWMX 
provide the same functions (and provide them as well) as JEdit and 
ViennaSQL.?

Finally, is PostgreSQL available for win -- I heard somewhere that it 
is not?

Thanks

Dick


On Wednesday, September 11, 2002, at 07:07 AM, Jesse Noller wrote:

 Dick-

   You wanted a serious reply, I'll give you a serious answer. Go with 
 the following:

 WindowsXP
 Apache
 MySQL/Postgres
 CFMX - duh
 DWMX

 There ya go. There's your demo, there's your development platform. The 
 fact is that you probably DO NOT want to go with a Linux laptop. Why?

 1: The desktop sucks
 2: Too many concessions when it comes to just getting stuff done
 3: eXtreme learning curve, preventing you from just getting work done
 4: It's more supported than the Linux desktop


   This comes from someone who had been using Linux since he first 
 downloaded Slackware v1 ontot 4.1 trillion floppy disks. I run it as a 
 desktop, and I HATE it as a desktop. It's kludgy, mozilla sucks as a 
 browser, software support is crap, and I could continue.

   Yes, I am a Linux user and supporter, as a SERVER, not as a desktop, 
 much less a full blown development and demo platform. It's that 
 simple.


   I've ran Linux on oh, I dunno, about 20 laptops in the past 3 years. 
 I've disliked, nay, hated it each and every time, it truly is a 
 nightmare.

   Leave Unix and Linux where they truly shine, on the server. Put 
 windows where it belongs, on a desktop where the Shiny widgets can be 
 of some use.

 Jesse Noller
 [EMAIL PROTECTED]
 Macromedia Server Development
 Unix/Linux special guy

 But I ned tacos! I need them or I will
 explode! That happens to me sometimes! -GIR

 -Original Message-
 From: Dick Applebaum [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
 Sent: Tuesday, September 10, 2002 3:20 PM
 To: CF-Talk
 Subject: Re: Developer Platform suggestions was Re: Nice

 Jesse

 Knowing some of your platform preferences, I don't think that is a
 serious answer -- the original question is serious, though!

 Dick


 On Tuesday, September 10, 2002, at 10:57 AM, Jesse Noller wrote:

 I would highly recommend OS2/Warp 4

 Jesse Noller
 [EMAIL PROTECTED]
 Macromedia Server Development
 Unix/Linux special guy

 But I ned tacos! I need them or I will
 explode! That happens to me sometimes! -GIR

 -Original Message-
 From: Matt Liotta [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
 Sent: Tuesday, September 10, 2002 1:37 PM
 To: CF-Talk
 Subject: RE: Developer Platform suggestions was Re: Nice

 IMHO, I'd go with Linux. Not only does CF run the best on Linux, but
 you
 also have access to any kind of text editor/IDE you could want. Many
 of
 them are way better than DMX, which isn't saying much I know, but
 there
 it is. Plus, Linux is as stable as it gets and is free.

 Matt Liotta
 President  CEO
 Montara Software, Inc.
 http://www.montarasoftware.com/
 888-408-0900 x901

 -Original Message-
 From: Jeffry Houser [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
 Sent: Tuesday, September 10, 2002 10:23 AM
 To: CF-Talk
 Subject: Re: Developer Platform suggestions was Re: Nice

   I've used Windows 9x and they worked okay as long as you rebooted
 at
 least once a day (preferably twice).

   I use Windows 2000 now.  I've had few problems and the system is
 very
 stable, even if I don't reboot it for 3-4 days.

 At 10:12 AM 9/10/2002 -0700, you wrote:
 Ya' know, it gets pretty old...  I am beginning to accept the fact
 that
 as a Mac/CF developer, I will always be a second-class citizen, 
 and
 not
 have equal resources with the competition.

 So, I am open to suggestions:

 If you could chose a platform today, with no baggage, what would 
 it
 be?

 I am seriously looking for suggestions!

 TIA

 Dick


 On Tuesday, September 10, 2002, at 09:56 AM, Stephen Moretti 
 wrote:

 It doesn't work on a Mac -- why doesn't that surprise me?

 Dick

 On Tuesday, September 10, 2002, at 08

RE: Developer Platform suggestions was Re: Nice

[Jesse Noller]

 I appreciate your answer, and it does surprise me!

I expect it would!

 
 I have no experience with win2k, but was put off by winXP's constant
 nagging (kinda' reminds me of myself).
 Why XP over 2k?

XP nagging? I run xp on 2 laptops, and 4 workstations. It never bothers me.

 I will use some Java also.

XP + Java works fine. Better than win2k. hate. Win2k.

 Finally, is PostgreSQL available for win -- I heard somewhere that it
 is not?

Dunno. I use MySQL. 
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RE: Developer Platform suggestions was Re: Nice

[Dave Watts]

 XP + Java works fine. Better than win2k. hate. Win2k.

Really? I haven't had any problems, and wouldn't hesitate to recommend Win2K
for developers' machines. In fact, I'm not really interested in XP at all,
since Win2K works so well for us.

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RE: Developer Platform suggestions was Re: Nice

[Tony Weeg]

oh yeah, dell latitude laptop 40gb/833mHz/512ram
SOLID.

cfmx
xp
cfstudio 5
photoshop 7
sql server 2000

..tony

Tony Weeg
Senior Web Developer
Information System Design
Navtrak, Inc.
Fleet Management Solutions
www.navtrak.net
410.548.2337 

-Original Message-
From: Joshua Miller [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] 
Sent: Wednesday, September 11, 2002 11:36 AM
To: CF-Talk
Subject: RE: Developer Platform suggestions was Re: Nice


I've got a Dimension 4100 that I've been using for almost 3 years now
(PIII 800/60gb/512mb) and it's been rock solid since day 1. My only
problems were the IBM DeskStar 75gb drives that they kept sending me - I
had 3 before they sent me 2 60gb - but that's not Dell's fault.

Joshua Miller
[EMAIL PROTECTED]


-Original Message-
From: Kreig Zimmerman [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] 
Sent: Wednesday, September 11, 2002 11:19 AM
To: CF-Talk
Subject: Re: Developer Platform suggestions was Re: Nice


I have to say as regards Dell...

I've found the OptiPlex (business line) to be rock-solid Dimension
(consumer-line)...  always some weird problem.

Any similar experience?  Point is if Dell, I would HIGHLY recommend you 
go for their business-line system.

Tony Carcieri wrote:

Damn, I didn't know they were doing that! I have always had a Dell at 
work and have never had problems. i tried to talk my father-in-law into

it, but nope, he liked his Gateway...he's wishing he had a Dell now ;-)

  


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Eyes Productions : Brooklyn, NY






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RE: Developer Platform suggestions was Re: Nice

[Dave Watts]

 Finally, is PostgreSQL available for win -- I heard somewhere 
 that it is not?

Jochem recently mentioned that a native Windows version is in beta. In the
meantime, I think it's available as part of the cygwin distribution
(http://www.cygwin.com/).

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RE: Developer Platform suggestions was Re: Nice

[Jesse Noller]

I despise and hate Win2k. 

But like all things, it's a matter of personal experience. I got used to rebuilding my 
machine every week because win2k couldn't handle the non stop abuse I handed it.

At least when explorer dies in XP, the machine doesn't go south for the winter.

(Not to mention XP is compatible with my games)

Jesse Noller
[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Macromedia Server Development
Unix/Linux special guy 

But I ned tacos! I need them or I will
explode! That happens to me sometimes! -GIR

 -Original Message-
 From: Dave Watts [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
 Sent: Wednesday, September 11, 2002 11:56 AM
 To: CF-Talk
 Subject: RE: Developer Platform suggestions was Re: Nice
 
  XP + Java works fine. Better than win2k. hate. Win2k.
 
 Really? I haven't had any problems, and wouldn't hesitate to recommend
 Win2K
 for developers' machines. In fact, I'm not really interested in XP at all,
 since Win2K works so well for us.
 
 Dave Watts, CTO, Fig Leaf Software
 http://www.figleaf.com/
 voice: (202) 797-5496
 fax: (202) 797-5444
 
 
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RE: Developer Platform suggestions was Re: Nice

[Tony Weeg]

developer platform of choice here in our dev group.

winxp
cfmx
sql 2000
cfstudio
dell/sony laptops (either as good as the other)
photoshop
ie6

..tony

Tony Weeg
Senior Web Developer
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www.navtrak.net
410.548.2337 

-Original Message-
From: Kreig Zimmerman [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] 
Sent: Wednesday, September 11, 2002 11:19 AM
To: CF-Talk
Subject: Re: Developer Platform suggestions was Re: Nice


I have to say as regards Dell...

I've found the OptiPlex (business line) to be rock-solid
Dimension (consumer-line)...  always some weird problem.

Any similar experience?  Point is if Dell, I would HIGHLY recommend you 
go for their business-line system.

Tony Carcieri wrote:

Damn, I didn't know they were doing that! I have always had a Dell at
work
and have never had problems. i tried to talk my father-in-law into it,
but
nope, he liked his Gateway...he's wishing he had a Dell now ;-)

  


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RE: Developer Platform suggestions was Re: Nice

[Raymond Camden]

Double ditto. For all the complaint's I've had about Windows in the
past, the 2k platform has been _extremely_ nice. (I'm currently using
XPPro, but there is no real need for it if you are happy with 2k.)

The only thing I'd kill for is the ablity to suppress programs from
taking focus. Nothing bugs me more as a developer who types fast. 

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 -Original Message-
 From: Dave Watts [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] 
 Sent: Wednesday, September 11, 2002 11:56 AM
 To: CF-Talk
 Subject: RE: Developer Platform suggestions was Re: Nice
 
 
  XP + Java works fine. Better than win2k. hate. Win2k.
 
 Really? I haven't had any problems, and wouldn't hesitate to 
 recommend Win2K
 for developers' machines. In fact, I'm not really interested 
 in XP at all,
 since Win2K works so well for us.
 
 Dave Watts, CTO, Fig Leaf Software
 


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Re: Developer Platform suggestions was Re: Nice

[Jochem van Dieten]

 
Finally, is PostgreSQL available for win -- I heard somewhere that it
is not?

First install Cygwin, then PostgreSQL for Windows. (I would not run 
production on that BTW, but any Linux/BSD/Unix should be fine.)

The Windows native port of PostgreSQL is under way, I am currently 
running the Beta 3 and I think it is looking good. But I am not sure on 
the timeframe of the Windows port because the main PostgreSQL branch is 
currently in feature freeze in anticipation of version 7.3.

Jochem

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RE: Developer Platform suggestions was Re: Nice

[Kevin Gilchrist]

Maybe the OptiPlex is fine in the aggregate but I'm on my third in the
last 18 months because of hard drive crashes.
Not impressed.  Depending on the model they also only have one hard
drive bay and one IDE cable that's shared between the HD and CD-ROM.

-Original Message-
From: Tony Weeg [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] 
Sent: Wednesday, September 11, 2002 11:36 AM
To: CF-Talk
Subject: RE: Developer Platform suggestions was Re: Nice


developer platform of choice here in our dev group.

winxp
cfmx
sql 2000
cfstudio
dell/sony laptops (either as good as the other)
photoshop
ie6

.tony

Tony Weeg
Senior Web Developer
Information System Design
Navtrak, Inc.
Fleet Management Solutions
www.navtrak.net
410.548.2337 

-Original Message-
From: Kreig Zimmerman [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] 
Sent: Wednesday, September 11, 2002 11:19 AM
To: CF-Talk
Subject: Re: Developer Platform suggestions was Re: Nice


I have to say as regards Dell...

I've found the OptiPlex (business line) to be rock-solid Dimension
(consumer-line)...  always some weird problem.

Any similar experience?  Point is if Dell, I would HIGHLY recommend you 
go for their business-line system.

Tony Carcieri wrote:

Damn, I didn't know they were doing that! I have always had a Dell at
work
and have never had problems. i tried to talk my father-in-law into it,
but
nope, he liked his Gateway...he's wishing he had a Dell now ;-)

  


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Eyes Productions : Brooklyn, NY






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Re: Developer Platform suggestions was Re: Nice

[Dick Applebaum]

On Wednesday, September 11, 2002, at 08:59 AM, Raymond Camden wrote:

 The only thing I'd kill for is the ablity to suppress programs from
 taking focus. Nothing bugs me more as a developer who types fast.



What does this mean?

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Re: Developer Platform suggestions was Re: Nice

[Dick Applebaum]

Thanks, Jochem

PostgreSQL for development is fine -- I won't be doing any hosting.

Dick

On Wednesday, September 11, 2002, at 08:54 AM, Jochem van Dieten wrote:


 Finally, is PostgreSQL available for win -- I heard somewhere that it
 is not?

 First install Cygwin, then PostgreSQL for Windows. (I would not run
 production on that BTW, but any Linux/BSD/Unix should be fine.)

 The Windows native port of PostgreSQL is under way, I am currently
 running the Beta 3 and I think it is looking good. But I am not sure on
 the timeframe of the Windows port because the main PostgreSQL branch is
 currently in feature freeze in anticipation of version 7.3.

 Jochem

 
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RE: Developer Platform suggestions was Re: Nice

[Joshua Miller]

Dick,

As far as the SQL stuff you're using ViennaSQL for, you can do most
things in Jedit using the SQL plugin. Just add the JDBC driver for your
RDBMS of choice (I use SQL Server 2000 and MySQL) and then you can write
SQL in Jedit and select Plugins  SQL  Execute Buffer and the command
will be run against your connection of choice. There isn't a visual
interface, but it's pretty easy if you're solid on SQL commands and
syntax.

Joshua Miller
[EMAIL PROTECTED]


-Original Message-
From: Dick Applebaum [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] 
Sent: Wednesday, September 11, 2002 11:38 AM
To: CF-Talk
Subject: Re: Developer Platform suggestions was Re: Nice


Jesse

I appreciate your answer, and it does surprise me!

I have no experience with win2k, but was put off by winXP's constant 
nagging (kinda' reminds me of myself).
Why XP over 2k?

I will use some Java also.

I have been experimenting with JEdit -- it appears to be a great editor.

I especially like the ability to fold  (compress and expand) 
independent portions of a program or document (based on indentation or 
user-supplied information).

I also use ViennaSQL as a general-purpose GUI SQL Client.  You can 
interface any db with a JDBC driver, and interactively do such things 
as:

define connections (similar to define datasources in the CF
admin)
create/drop databases
create/alter/drop tables
examine schemas
issue SQL commands

I find it to be a great development tool - you can interactively create 
and validate complex SQL, then copy/paste it to your CF code.

I mention JEdit and ViennaSQL because I think that both these functions 
are performed by DWMX on non-Mac platforms.

I understand the advantage of using 1 integrated tool, but does DWMX 
provide the same functions (and provide them as well) as JEdit and 
ViennaSQL.?

Finally, is PostgreSQL available for win -- I heard somewhere that it 
is not?

Thanks

Dick


On Wednesday, September 11, 2002, at 07:07 AM, Jesse Noller wrote:

 Dick-

   You wanted a serious reply, I'll give you a serious answer. Go
with
 the following:

 WindowsXP
 Apache
 MySQL/Postgres
 CFMX - duh
 DWMX

 There ya go. There's your demo, there's your development platform. The
 fact is that you probably DO NOT want to go with a Linux laptop. Why?

 1: The desktop sucks
 2: Too many concessions when it comes to just getting stuff done
 3: eXtreme learning curve, preventing you from just getting work done
 4: It's more supported than the Linux desktop


   This comes from someone who had been using Linux since he first
 downloaded Slackware v1 ontot 4.1 trillion floppy disks. I run it as a

 desktop, and I HATE it as a desktop. It's kludgy, mozilla sucks as a 
 browser, software support is crap, and I could continue.

   Yes, I am a Linux user and supporter, as a SERVER, not as a
desktop,
 much less a full blown development and demo platform. It's that 
 simple.


   I've ran Linux on oh, I dunno, about 20 laptops in the past 3
years.
 I've disliked, nay, hated it each and every time, it truly is a 
 nightmare.

   Leave Unix and Linux where they truly shine, on the server. Put
 windows where it belongs, on a desktop where the Shiny widgets can be 
 of some use.

 Jesse Noller
 [EMAIL PROTECTED]
 Macromedia Server Development
 Unix/Linux special guy

 But I ned tacos! I need them or I will
 explode! That happens to me sometimes! -GIR

 -Original Message-
 From: Dick Applebaum [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
 Sent: Tuesday, September 10, 2002 3:20 PM
 To: CF-Talk
 Subject: Re: Developer Platform suggestions was Re: Nice

 Jesse

 Knowing some of your platform preferences, I don't think that is a 
 serious answer -- the original question is serious, though!

 Dick


 On Tuesday, September 10, 2002, at 10:57 AM, Jesse Noller wrote:

 I would highly recommend OS2/Warp 4

 Jesse Noller
 [EMAIL PROTECTED]
 Macromedia Server Development
 Unix/Linux special guy

 But I ned tacos! I need them or I will
 explode! That happens to me sometimes! -GIR

 -Original Message-
 From: Matt Liotta [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
 Sent: Tuesday, September 10, 2002 1:37 PM
 To: CF-Talk
 Subject: RE: Developer Platform suggestions was Re: Nice

 IMHO, I'd go with Linux. Not only does CF run the best on Linux, 
 but you also have access to any kind of text editor/IDE you could 
 want. Many of
 them are way better than DMX, which isn't saying much I know, but
 there
 it is. Plus, Linux is as stable as it gets and is free.

 Matt Liotta
 President  CEO
 Montara Software, Inc.
 http://www.montarasoftware.com/
 888-408-0900 x901

 -Original Message-
 From: Jeffry Houser [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
 Sent: Tuesday, September 10, 2002 10:23 AM
 To: CF-Talk
 Subject: Re: Developer Platform suggestions was Re: Nice

   I've used Windows 9x and they worked okay as long as you 
 rebooted at least once a day (preferably twice).

   I use Windows 2000 now.  I've had few

RE: Developer Platform suggestions was Re: Nice

[Joshua Miller]

You can't blame the HD problems on Dell though - unless there's some
kind of power issue burning up the drives. I've had a LOT of problems
with IBM DeskStar drives. If you have one check the IBM website, there
are a few that are close to being recalled but haven't been yet. In
particular the DeskStar 72GB.

Joshua Miller
[EMAIL PROTECTED]


-Original Message-
From: Kevin Gilchrist [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] 
Sent: Wednesday, September 11, 2002 12:07 PM
To: CF-Talk
Subject: RE: Developer Platform suggestions was Re: Nice


Maybe the OptiPlex is fine in the aggregate but I'm on my third in the
last 18 months because of hard drive crashes. Not impressed.  Depending
on the model they also only have one hard drive bay and one IDE cable
that's shared between the HD and CD-ROM.

-Original Message-
From: Tony Weeg [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] 
Sent: Wednesday, September 11, 2002 11:36 AM
To: CF-Talk
Subject: RE: Developer Platform suggestions was Re: Nice


developer platform of choice here in our dev group.

winxp
cfmx
sql 2000
cfstudio
dell/sony laptops (either as good as the other)
photoshop
ie6

tony

Tony Weeg
Senior Web Developer
Information System Design
Navtrak, Inc.
Fleet Management Solutions
www.navtrak.net
410.548.2337 

-Original Message-
From: Kreig Zimmerman [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] 
Sent: Wednesday, September 11, 2002 11:19 AM
To: CF-Talk
Subject: Re: Developer Platform suggestions was Re: Nice


I have to say as regards Dell...

I've found the OptiPlex (business line) to be rock-solid Dimension
(consumer-line)...  always some weird problem.

Any similar experience?  Point is if Dell, I would HIGHLY recommend you 
go for their business-line system.

Tony Carcieri wrote:

Damn, I didn't know they were doing that! I have always had a Dell at
work
and have never had problems. i tried to talk my father-in-law into it,
but
nope, he liked his Gateway...he's wishing he had a Dell now ;-)

  


-- 
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Eyes Productions : Brooklyn, NY







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RE: Developer Platform suggestions was Re: Nice

[jremus-lists]

I do have to honestly say that despite my worries going in, XP Pro has been
rock solid and better stability-wise than 2k for me.  I tended to demo a lot
of software on my development system (install it and remove it), and XP
seems to clean up better.  2k always required a reinstall every X-months,
XP has been incredible.  Actually seems faster, too.

I'm not pushing it out throughout the enterprise strictly from a cost
standpoint, but if cost weren't an issue, I would have XP all over the
place.

Josh

-Original Message-
From: Dave Watts [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
Sent: Wednesday, September 11, 2002 11:56 AM
To: CF-Talk
Subject: RE: Developer Platform suggestions was Re: Nice


 XP + Java works fine. Better than win2k. hate. Win2k.

Really? I haven't had any problems, and wouldn't hesitate to recommend Win2K
for developers' machines. In fact, I'm not really interested in XP at all,
since Win2K works so well for us.

Dave Watts, CTO, Fig Leaf Software
http://www.figleaf.com/
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RE: Developer Platform suggestions was Re: Nice

[Raymond Camden]

Imagine your typing code - fast. Some application has a fit for some
reason, and takes focus. By that I mean it pops up above my editor and
becomes active. Many times I will only see a flash because my typing
will make the alert go away. Very frustrating. Luckily most apps don't
do this.

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 -Original Message-
 From: Dick Applebaum [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] 
 Sent: Wednesday, September 11, 2002 12:11 PM
 To: CF-Talk
 Subject: Re: Developer Platform suggestions was Re: Nice
 
 
 On Wednesday, September 11, 2002, at 08:59 AM, Raymond Camden wrote:
 
  The only thing I'd kill for is the ablity to suppress programs from
  taking focus. Nothing bugs me more as a developer who types fast.
 
 
 
 What does this mean?
 


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RE: Developer Platform suggestions was Re: Nice

[todd]

Trillian does this. :P  I hate it.

~Todd

On Wed, 11 Sep 2002, Raymond Camden wrote:

 Imagine your typing code - fast. Some application has a fit for some
 reason, and takes focus. By that I mean it pops up above my editor and
 becomes active. Many times I will only see a flash because my typing
 will make the alert go away. Very frustrating. Luckily most apps don't
 do this.
 
 ===
 Raymond Camden, ColdFusion Jedi Master for Hire
 
 Email: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
 Yahoo IM : cfjedimaster
 
 My ally is the Force, and a powerful ally it is. - Yoda 
 
  -Original Message-
  From: Dick Applebaum [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] 
  Sent: Wednesday, September 11, 2002 12:11 PM
  To: CF-Talk
  Subject: Re: Developer Platform suggestions was Re: Nice
  
  
  On Wednesday, September 11, 2002, at 08:59 AM, Raymond Camden wrote:
  
   The only thing I'd kill for is the ablity to suppress programs from
   taking focus. Nothing bugs me more as a developer who types fast.
  
  
  
  What does this mean?
  
 
 
 
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Re: Developer Platform suggestions was Re: Nice

[Dick Applebaum]

I still don't understand -- how does an application grab control from  
the OS?

Doesn't the OS have control of switching between Applications?

I  sometimes screw things up myself, if while typing really fast (for  
me) I inadvertently type some keyboard shortcut (ctrl-something) that  
tells the OS to switch applications, open a dialog, or somesuch.

Is this what you are talking about?

If so, then  I agree that it would be nice to have an OS enhancement  
that would protect you from yourself, e.g. a special setting (toggle)  
that would block keystrokes that could cause toe OS to change focus.

Dick



On Wednesday, September 11, 2002, at 11:06 AM, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 Trillian does this. :P  I hate it.

 ~Todd

 On Wed, 11 Sep 2002, Raymond Camden wrote:

 Imagine your typing code - fast. Some application has a fit for some
 reason, and takes focus. By that I mean it pops up above my editor and
 becomes active. Many times I will only see a flash because my typing
 will make the alert go away. Very frustrating. Luckily most apps don't
 do this.

 == 
 =
 Raymond Camden, ColdFusion Jedi Master for Hire

 Email: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
 Yahoo IM : cfjedimaster

 My ally is the Force, and a powerful ally it is. - Yoda

 -Original Message-
 From: Dick Applebaum [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
 Sent: Wednesday, September 11, 2002 12:11 PM
 To: CF-Talk
 Subject: Re: Developer Platform suggestions was Re: Nice


 On Wednesday, September 11, 2002, at 08:59 AM, Raymond Camden wrote:

 The only thing I'd kill for is the ablity to suppress programs from
 taking focus. Nothing bugs me more as a developer who types fast.



 What does this mean?




 
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Re: Nice

[Patti G. L. Hall]

Wow.  Try looking at that in Mozilla.

The serialize link only shows the background, not the swf.

The validate link is simply scary.

Not that it matters, of course.  Just as a point of interest.
-Patti

- Original Message -
From: Sean A Corfield [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: CF-Talk [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Tuesday, September 10, 2002 1:39 PM
Subject: Re: Nice


 On Tuesday, September 10, 2002, at 09:35 , Howie Hamlin wrote:
  Or, you can cheat (once you log in to administrator):
 
 
http://localhost:8500/cfide/administrator/settings/_licensedata.cfm?serializ
e

 Ah, I wondered where that swf was going to show up (after seeing it on the
 internal Neo site for a while). Cute!

 BTW, it wouldn't work with serialize for me - I had to say validate.

 BTW2, to stop Dick whining, the following URL *does* work on a Mac:


http://localhost:8500/cfide/administrator/settings/_licensedata.cfm?validate

 Happy now, Dick? ;)

 Sean A Corfield -- http://www.corfield.org/blog/


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RE: Developer Platform suggestions was Re: Nice

[S . Isaac Dealey]

Happens to me also... This is the reason I don't allow my IM windows to open
automatically, I have them flash in the system tray. Actually I don't think
I've had an application alert happen ( and go away ) like this in quite some
time now... I suspect it's becoming less and less common for apps to
automagically hog up the system caret in favor of minimized, flashing system
tray or taskbar items... which is probably a good thing.


Isaac Dealey
Certified Advanced ColdFusion 5 Developer

www.turnkey.to
954-776-0046

 Imagine your typing code - fast. Some application has a fit for some
 reason, and takes focus. By that I mean it pops up above my editor and
 becomes active. Many times I will only see a flash because my typing
 will make the alert go away. Very frustrating. Luckily most apps don't
 do this.

 ===
 Raymond Camden, ColdFusion Jedi Master for Hire

 Email: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
 Yahoo IM : cfjedimaster

 My ally is the Force, and a powerful ally it is. - Yoda

 -Original Message-
 From: Dick Applebaum [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
 Sent: Wednesday, September 11, 2002 12:11 PM
 To: CF-Talk
 Subject: Re: Developer Platform suggestions was Re: Nice


 On Wednesday, September 11, 2002, at 08:59 AM, Raymond Camden wrote:

  The only thing I'd kill for is the ablity to suppress programs from
  taking focus. Nothing bugs me more as a developer who types fast.
 
 

 What does this mean?


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RE: Developer Platform suggestions was Re: Nice

[S . Isaac Dealey]

 Trillian does this. :P  I hate it.

I use trillian... The preferences to change that are in Windows  Initial
Check Apply to All Mediums and Hide the window and notify me via the
systray.

Personally I also have it open all IM windows inside a default container (
at the bottom under size location and container ) to prevent multiple IM's
from cluttering up my task bar.


Isaac Dealey
Certified Advanced ColdFusion 5 Developer

www.turnkey.to
954-776-0046

 On Wed, 11 Sep 2002, Raymond Camden wrote:

 Imagine your typing code - fast. Some application has a fit for some
 reason, and takes focus. By that I mean it pops up above my editor and
 becomes active. Many times I will only see a flash because my typing
 will make the alert go away. Very frustrating. Luckily most apps don't
 do this.

 ===
 Raymond Camden, ColdFusion Jedi Master for Hire

 Email: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
 Yahoo IM : cfjedimaster

 My ally is the Force, and a powerful ally it is. - Yoda

  -Original Message-
  From: Dick Applebaum [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
  Sent: Wednesday, September 11, 2002 12:11 PM
  To: CF-Talk
  Subject: Re: Developer Platform suggestions was Re: Nice
 
 
  On Wednesday, September 11, 2002, at 08:59 AM, Raymond Camden wrote:
 
   The only thing I'd kill for is the ablity to suppress programs from
   taking focus. Nothing bugs me more as a developer who types fast.
  
  
 
  What does this mean?
 



 
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Re: Developer Platform suggestions was Re: Nice

[Jason Miller]

Out of 5 personal machines - I have a dell dimension XPS 8100 with 512
Mb RAm / 1 ghz / 2 -120 gb drives- 
Piece o crap since day 1. Sorry -ran great for the first 2 hours.

I then decided may be a lemon 0- -so I bought a Dell  PRecision 530 - 2
ghz proc / 4 -80 gig scsi raid drives / 4 gig of ram - both running 2000
- That one ran smooth for 4 months before performance went completely
down the toilet. Not cheap machines either.

i didn't post to brag above - I felt I just had to reply that I would
never buy another dell again.
jay miller

Tony Weeg wrote:


oh yeah, dell latitude laptop 40gb/833mHz/512ram
SOLID.

cfmx
xp
cfstudio 5
photoshop 7
sql server 2000

.tony

Tony Weeg
Senior Web Developer
Information System Design
Navtrak, Inc.
Fleet Management Solutions
www.navtrak.net http://www.navtrak.net 
410.548.2337 

-Original Message-
From: Joshua Miller [ mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
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Sent: Wednesday, September 11, 2002 11:36 AM
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Subject: RE: Developer Platform suggestions was Re: Nice


I've got a Dimension 4100 that I've been using for almost 3 years now
(PIII 800/60gb/512mb) and it's been rock solid since day 1. My only
problems were the IBM DeskStar 75gb drives that they kept sending me - I
had 3 before they sent me 2 60gb - but that's not Dell's fault.

Joshua Miller
[EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] 


-Original Message-
From: Kreig Zimmerman [ mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
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Sent: Wednesday, September 11, 2002 11:19 AM
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Subject: Re: Developer Platform suggestions was Re: Nice


I have to say as regards Dell...

I've found the OptiPlex (business line) to be rock-solid Dimension
(consumer-line)...  always some weird problem.

Any similar experience?  Point is if Dell, I would HIGHLY recommend you 
go for their business-line system.

Tony Carcieri wrote:


Damn, I didn't know they were doing that! I have always had a Dell at 
work and have never had problems. i tried to talk my father-in-law into



it, but nope, he liked his Gateway...he's wishing he had a Dell now ;-)

 






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Re: Nice

[Dick Applebaum]

I'll bite -- where?

On Tuesday, September 10, 2002, at 08:10 AM, Bryan F. Hogan wrote:

 I like the CF Easter Egg
 
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RE: Nice

[Bryan F. Hogan]

http://cfm.blogspot.com/

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Sent: Tuesday, September 10, 2002 11:15 AM
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Subject: Re: Nice


  What easter egg?

At 11:10 AM 9/10/2002 -0400, you wrote:
I like the CF Easter Egg


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RE: Nice

[Angel Stewart]

*taps foot on floor*
Ok..I'll ask...


WHAT CF Easter Egg??

-Gel

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I like the CF Easter Egg 

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Re: Nice

[Jeffry Houser]

  What easter egg?

At 11:10 AM 9/10/2002 -0400, you wrote:
I like the CF Easter Egg

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Re: Nice

[Stephen Moretti]

Its not even Easter!!  Be patient... ;o)


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Subject: Re: Nice


 I'll bite -- where?

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  I like the CF Easter Egg
 
 
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RE: Nice

[Robert Everland]

One thing to add is move up the language so it's the first one or the trick
won't work.

Robert Everland III
Web Developer Extraordinaire
Dixon Ticonderoga Company
http://www.dixonusa.com 

-Original Message-
From: Bryan F. Hogan [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] 
Sent: Tuesday, September 10, 2002 11:18 AM
To: CF-Talk
Subject: RE: Nice


http://cfm.blogspot.com/

-Original Message-
From: Jeffry Houser [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
Sent: Tuesday, September 10, 2002 11:15 AM
To: CF-Talk
Subject: Re: Nice


  What easter egg?

At 11:10 AM 9/10/2002 -0400, you wrote:
I like the CF Easter Egg



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RE: Nice

[Adrian Lynch]

So who's the kid with the three eyes?

-Original Message-
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Its not even Easter!!  Be patient... ;o)


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Subject: Re: Nice


 I'll bite -- where?

 On Tuesday, September 10, 2002, at 08:10 AM, Bryan F. Hogan wrote:

  I like the CF Easter Egg
 
 

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RE: Nice

[Sam Roach]

Set your Language preference to CFML in IE you can do this by going to
Internet Properties - Languages - Add - User Defined CFML Then browse
to Version Information link in ColdFusion MX Administrator.


-Original Message-
From: Stephen Moretti [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
Sent: Tuesday, September 10, 2002 8:40 AM
To: CF-Talk
Subject: Re: Nice


Its not even Easter!!  Be patient... ;o)


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Sent: Tuesday, September 10, 2002 4:17 PM
Subject: Re: Nice


 I'll bite -- where?

 On Tuesday, September 10, 2002, at 08:10 AM, Bryan F. Hogan wrote:

  I like the CF Easter Egg
 
 

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RE: Nice

[Tony Carcieri]

Ok, I tried it and didn't see anything different...does this work on DWMX
version?

-Original Message-
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Sent: Tuesday, September 10, 2002 11:40 AM
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Subject: Re: Nice


Its not even Easter!!  Be patient... ;o)


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To: CF-Talk [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Tuesday, September 10, 2002 4:17 PM
Subject: Re: Nice


 I'll bite -- where?

 On Tuesday, September 10, 2002, at 08:10 AM, Bryan F. Hogan wrote:

  I like the CF Easter Egg
 


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RE: Nice

[todd]

DWMX? *eyes Tony*

No, they meant to do that in IE and .. you have to make sure that CFMX is 
1st in the list, highlight it and move it up.

~Todd

On Tue, 10 Sep 2002, Tony Carcieri wrote:

 Ok, I tried it and didn't see anything different...does this work on DWMX
 version?
 
 -Original Message-
 From: Stephen Moretti [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
 Sent: Tuesday, September 10, 2002 11:40 AM
 To: CF-Talk
 Subject: Re: Nice
 
 
 Its not even Easter!!  Be patient... ;o)
 
 
 - Original Message -
 From: Dick Applebaum [EMAIL PROTECTED]
 To: CF-Talk [EMAIL PROTECTED]
 Sent: Tuesday, September 10, 2002 4:17 PM
 Subject: Re: Nice
 
 
  I'll bite -- where?
 
  On Tuesday, September 10, 2002, at 08:10 AM, Bryan F. Hogan wrote:
 
   I like the CF Easter Egg
  
 
 
 
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Re: Nice

[Dick Applebaum]

It doesn't work on a Mac -- why doesn't that surprise me?

Dick

On Tuesday, September 10, 2002, at 08:18 AM, Bryan F. Hogan wrote:

 http://cfm.blogspot.com/

 -Original Message-
 From: Jeffry Houser [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
 Sent: Tuesday, September 10, 2002 11:15 AM
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 Subject: Re: Nice


   What easter egg?

 At 11:10 AM 9/10/2002 -0400, you wrote:
 I like the CF Easter Egg


 
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Re: Nice

[Dick Applebaum]

Well, moving cfml up changes things--

Now I get a popup titlled ColdFusion MX Team.

It has a nice light-blue background and a framed area that remains 
empty.

I guess it reflects the fact that there is no support for the Mac 
platform!

Dick


On Tuesday, September 10, 2002, at 08:40 AM, Robert Everland wrote:

 One thing to add is move up the language so it's the first one or the 
 trick
 won't work.

 Robert Everland III
 Web Developer Extraordinaire
 Dixon Ticonderoga Company
 http://www.dixonusa.com

 -Original Message-
 From: Bryan F. Hogan [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
 Sent: Tuesday, September 10, 2002 11:18 AM
 To: CF-Talk
 Subject: RE: Nice


 http://cfm.blogspot.com/

 -Original Message-
 From: Jeffry Houser [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
 Sent: Tuesday, September 10, 2002 11:15 AM
 To: CF-Talk
 Subject: Re: Nice


   What easter egg?

 At 11:10 AM 9/10/2002 -0400, you wrote:
 I like the CF Easter Egg



 
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RE: Nice

[Jesse Noller]

Well, it could be because Mac's Aren't Supported! /snipe

Jesse Noller
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But I ned tacos! I need them or I will
explode! That happens to me sometimes! -GIR

 -Original Message-
 From: Dick Applebaum [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
 Sent: Tuesday, September 10, 2002 12:30 PM
 To: CF-Talk
 Subject: Re: Nice
 
 It doesn't work on a Mac -- why doesn't that surprise me?
 
 Dick
 
 On Tuesday, September 10, 2002, at 08:18 AM, Bryan F. Hogan wrote:
 
  http://cfm.blogspot.com/
 
  -Original Message-
  From: Jeffry Houser [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
  Sent: Tuesday, September 10, 2002 11:15 AM
  To: CF-Talk
  Subject: Re: Nice
 
 
What easter egg?
 
  At 11:10 AM 9/10/2002 -0400, you wrote:
  I like the CF Easter Egg
 
 
 
 
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Re: Nice

[Howie Hamlin]

Or, you can cheat (once you log in to administrator):

http://localhost:8500/cfide/administrator/settings/_licensedata.cfm?serialize


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- Original Message - 
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To: CF-Talk [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Tuesday, September 10, 2002 11:47 AM
Subject: RE: Nice


 Set your Language preference to CFML in IE you can do this by going to
 Internet Properties - Languages - Add - User Defined CFML Then browse
 to Version Information link in ColdFusion MX Administrator.
 
 
 -Original Message-
 From: Stephen Moretti [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
 Sent: Tuesday, September 10, 2002 8:40 AM
 To: CF-Talk
 Subject: Re: Nice
 
 
 Its not even Easter!!  Be patient... ;o)
 
 
 - Original Message -
 From: Dick Applebaum [EMAIL PROTECTED]
 To: CF-Talk [EMAIL PROTECTED]
 Sent: Tuesday, September 10, 2002 4:17 PM
 Subject: Re: Nice
 
 
  I'll bite -- where?
 
  On Tuesday, September 10, 2002, at 08:10 AM, Bryan F. Hogan wrote:
 
   I like the CF Easter Egg
  
  
 
 
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RE: Nice

[todd]

Probably because it's Flash using Flash Remoting.  Dick, no offense, but 
.. if you're on a unsupported platform, why would you even bother to 
comment about it?  The rest of us are just going to say.. n sh!t

~Todd

On Tue, 10 Sep 2002, Jesse Noller wrote:

 Well, it could be because Mac's Aren't Supported! /snipe
 
 Jesse Noller
 [EMAIL PROTECTED]
 Macromedia Server Development
 Unix/Linux special guy 
 
 But I ned tacos! I need them or I will
 explode! That happens to me sometimes! -GIR
 
  -Original Message-
  From: Dick Applebaum [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
  Sent: Tuesday, September 10, 2002 12:30 PM
  To: CF-Talk
  Subject: Re: Nice
  
  It doesn't work on a Mac -- why doesn't that surprise me?
  
  Dick

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Re: Nice

[Stephen Moretti]

 It doesn't work on a Mac -- why doesn't that surprise me?

 Dick

 On Tuesday, September 10, 2002, at 08:18 AM, Bryan F. Hogan wrote:

  http://cfm.blogspot.com/
 
What easter egg?
 
  At 11:10 AM 9/10/2002 -0400, you wrote:
  I like the CF Easter Egg
 


Ok I shouldn't really do this on CF-Talk, but I can't resist.  Sorry
Michael.

Does anything work on a Mac???

Sorry Dick Only joking!


Stephen


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RE: Nice

[Tony Carcieri]

Sorry, shoulda been more specific...I have the eval version from the DWMX
cd.

As far as the settings in IE, I did it. Including throwing the language da
top.

Thanks,
Big T

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Sent: Tuesday, September 10, 2002 12:23 PM
To: CF-Talk
Subject: RE: Nice


DWMX? *eyes Tony*

No, they meant to do that in IE and .. you have to make sure that CFMX is
1st in the list, highlight it and move it up.

~Todd

On Tue, 10 Sep 2002, Tony Carcieri wrote:

 Ok, I tried it and didn't see anything different...does this work on DWMX
 version?

 -Original Message-
 From: Stephen Moretti [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
 Sent: Tuesday, September 10, 2002 11:40 AM
 To: CF-Talk
 Subject: Re: Nice


 Its not even Easter!!  Be patient... ;o)


 - Original Message -
 From: Dick Applebaum [EMAIL PROTECTED]
 To: CF-Talk [EMAIL PROTECTED]
 Sent: Tuesday, September 10, 2002 4:17 PM
 Subject: Re: Nice


  I'll bite -- where?
 
  On Tuesday, September 10, 2002, at 08:10 AM, Bryan F. Hogan wrote:
 
   I like the CF Easter Egg
  
 



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Developer Platform suggestions was Re: Nice

[Dick Applebaum]

Ya' know, it gets pretty old...  I am beginning to accept the fact that 
as a Mac/CF developer, I will always be a second-class citizen, and not 
have equal resources with the competition.

So, I am open to suggestions:

If you could chose a platform today, with no baggage, what would it be?

I am seriously looking for suggestions!

TIA

Dick


On Tuesday, September 10, 2002, at 09:56 AM, Stephen Moretti wrote:

 It doesn't work on a Mac -- why doesn't that surprise me?

 Dick

 On Tuesday, September 10, 2002, at 08:18 AM, Bryan F. Hogan wrote:

 http://cfm.blogspot.com/

   What easter egg?

 At 11:10 AM 9/10/2002 -0400, you wrote:
 I like the CF Easter Egg



 Ok I shouldn't really do this on CF-Talk, but I can't resist.  
 Sorry
 Michael.

 Does anything work on a Mac???

 Sorry Dick Only joking!


 Stephen


 
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Re: Developer Platform suggestions was Re: Nice

[Joe Eugene]

Windows 2k
Advantages.
CF(CFMX) Development
JSP(CFMX) or Tomcat Development
NET Development
SQL Server
Oracle

Joe

- Original Message -
From: Dick Applebaum [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: CF-Talk [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Tuesday, September 10, 2002 1:12 PM
Subject: Developer Platform suggestions was Re: Nice


 Ya' know, it gets pretty old...  I am beginning to accept the fact that
 as a Mac/CF developer, I will always be a second-class citizen, and not
 have equal resources with the competition.

 So, I am open to suggestions:

 If you could chose a platform today, with no baggage, what would it be?

 I am seriously looking for suggestions!

 TIA

 Dick


 On Tuesday, September 10, 2002, at 09:56 AM, Stephen Moretti wrote:

  It doesn't work on a Mac -- why doesn't that surprise me?
 
  Dick
 
  On Tuesday, September 10, 2002, at 08:18 AM, Bryan F. Hogan wrote:
 
  http://cfm.blogspot.com/
 
What easter egg?
 
  At 11:10 AM 9/10/2002 -0400, you wrote:
  I like the CF Easter Egg
 
 
 
  Ok I shouldn't really do this on CF-Talk, but I can't resist.
  Sorry
  Michael.
 
  Does anything work on a Mac???
 
  Sorry Dick Only joking!
 
 
  Stephen
 
 
 
 
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Re: Nice

[Dick Applebaum]

Todd

I doubt that Flash Remoting is the problem -- Christian Cantrell gave a 
Flash Remotiing presentation to a Recent FlashForward entirely on a Mac 
(Server and Client).  Christian is co-authoring a book on the subjace 
with Mike Chambers... Christian tells me he does all his development on 
a Mac.

I do take offense.  The reason I asked is that most of the participants 
of this list will help others even on topics of no immediate value to 
themselves.

Dick


On Tuesday, September 10, 2002, at 10:00 AM, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 Probably because it's Flash using Flash Remoting.  Dick, no offense, 
 but
 .. if you're on a unsupported platform, why would you even bother to
 comment about it?  The rest of us are just going to say.. n sh!t

 ~Todd

 On Tue, 10 Sep 2002, Jesse Noller wrote:

 Well, it could be because Mac's Aren't Supported! /snipe

 Jesse Noller
 [EMAIL PROTECTED]
 Macromedia Server Development
 Unix/Linux special guy

 But I ned tacos! I need them or I will
 explode! That happens to me sometimes! -GIR

 -Original Message-
 From: Dick Applebaum [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
 Sent: Tuesday, September 10, 2002 12:30 PM
 To: CF-Talk
 Subject: Re: Nice

 It doesn't work on a Mac -- why doesn't that surprise me?

 Dick

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Re: Developer Platform suggestions was Re: Nice

[Jeffry Houser]

  I've used Windows 9x and they worked okay as long as you rebooted at 
least once a day (preferably twice).

  I use Windows 2000 now.  I've had few problems and the system is very 
stable, even if I don't reboot it for 3-4 days.

At 10:12 AM 9/10/2002 -0700, you wrote:
Ya' know, it gets pretty old...  I am beginning to accept the fact that
as a Mac/CF developer, I will always be a second-class citizen, and not
have equal resources with the competition.

So, I am open to suggestions:

If you could chose a platform today, with no baggage, what would it be?

I am seriously looking for suggestions!

TIA

Dick


On Tuesday, September 10, 2002, at 09:56 AM, Stephen Moretti wrote:

  It doesn't work on a Mac -- why doesn't that surprise me?
 
  Dick
 
  On Tuesday, September 10, 2002, at 08:18 AM, Bryan F. Hogan wrote:
 
  http://cfm.blogspot.com/
 
What easter egg?
 
  At 11:10 AM 9/10/2002 -0400, you wrote:
  I like the CF Easter Egg
 
 
 
  Ok I shouldn't really do this on CF-Talk, but I can't resist.
  Sorry
  Michael.
 
  Does anything work on a Mac???
 
  Sorry Dick Only joking!
 
 
  Stephen
 
 
 

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Re: Developer Platform suggestions was Re: Nice

[todd]

If the majority of the program I ran wasn't windows based, I'd run 
redhat linux.  Dick, I think you're going about this the wrong way tho.  
OSX shows a lot of promise from what I've seen (despite that it's a day 
and a dollar too late).  Hell, I'm jealous of OSX that it runs on top of a 
stable platform like BSD.  There is nothing inheritantly wrong with OSX 
and the MyOS is better than YourOS is always going to be a heated 
discussion.  I'd seriously invest in another layer of humor and thick 
skin and not worry about it so much.

If you really want to make everyone happy on the list (opposed to 
yourself) then... get a wintel or redhat box for the purpose of a 
development server.  I don't think you realized the can of worms you 
opened on yourself when you ported CFMX to OSX. ;)

~Todd

On Tue, 10 Sep 2002, Dick Applebaum wrote:

 Ya' know, it gets pretty old...  I am beginning to accept the fact that 
 as a Mac/CF developer, I will always be a second-class citizen, and not 
 have equal resources with the competition.
 
 So, I am open to suggestions:
 
 If you could chose a platform today, with no baggage, what would it be?
 
 I am seriously looking for suggestions!
 
 TIA
 
 Dick
 
 
 On Tuesday, September 10, 2002, at 09:56 AM, Stephen Moretti wrote:
 
  It doesn't work on a Mac -- why doesn't that surprise me?
 
  Dick
 
  On Tuesday, September 10, 2002, at 08:18 AM, Bryan F. Hogan wrote:
 
  http://cfm.blogspot.com/
 
What easter egg?
 
  At 11:10 AM 9/10/2002 -0400, you wrote:
  I like the CF Easter Egg
 
 
 
  Ok I shouldn't really do this on CF-Talk, but I can't resist.  
  Sorry
  Michael.
 
  Does anything work on a Mac???
 
  Sorry Dick Only joking!
 
 
  Stephen
 
 
  
 
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Re: Developer Platform suggestions was Re: Nice

[Dick Applebaum]

Joe

Do you have NET, SQL Server Oracle installed on your developer machine/

Are there free/reasonable developer versions of these available.

The reason I ask is I want a completely self-contained environment on a 
laptop -- that I can use for development and demonstration to clients.

I have been burned too many times to think I can depend on MS-Access 
for demos.

Dick

On Tuesday, September 10, 2002, at 10:17 AM, Joe Eugene wrote:

 Windows 2k
 Advantages.
 CF(CFMX) Development
 JSP(CFMX) or Tomcat Development
 NET Development
 SQL Server
 Oracle

 Joe

 - Original Message -
 From: Dick Applebaum [EMAIL PROTECTED]
 To: CF-Talk [EMAIL PROTECTED]
 Sent: Tuesday, September 10, 2002 1:12 PM
 Subject: Developer Platform suggestions was Re: Nice


 Ya' know, it gets pretty old...  I am beginning to accept the fact 
 that
 as a Mac/CF developer, I will always be a second-class citizen, and 
 not
 have equal resources with the competition.

 So, I am open to suggestions:

 If you could chose a platform today, with no baggage, what would it 
 be?

 I am seriously looking for suggestions!

 TIA

 Dick


 On Tuesday, September 10, 2002, at 09:56 AM, Stephen Moretti wrote:

 It doesn't work on a Mac -- why doesn't that surprise me?

 Dick

 On Tuesday, September 10, 2002, at 08:18 AM, Bryan F. Hogan wrote:

 http://cfm.blogspot.com/

   What easter egg?

 At 11:10 AM 9/10/2002 -0400, you wrote:
 I like the CF Easter Egg



 Ok I shouldn't really do this on CF-Talk, but I can't resist.
 Sorry
 Michael.

 Does anything work on a Mac???

 Sorry Dick Only joking!


 Stephen




 
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Re: Developer Platform suggestions was Re: Nice

[Jochem van Dieten]

Dick Applebaum wrote:
 Ya' know, it gets pretty old...  I am beginning to accept the fact that 
 as a Mac/CF developer, I will always be a second-class citizen, and not 
 have equal resources with the competition.
 
 So, I am open to suggestions:
 
 If you could chose a platform today, with no baggage, what would it be?

Assuming that with no baggage means both being able to afford it and 
having no prior experience with anything computer related so the 
learning curve would start at 0 for all platforms I would probably 
choose a Mac.

Jochem

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Re: Nice

[Sean A Corfield]

On Tuesday, September 10, 2002, at 09:35 , Howie Hamlin wrote:
 Or, you can cheat (once you log in to administrator):

 http://localhost:8500/cfide/administrator/settings/_licensedata.cfm?serialize

Ah, I wondered where that swf was going to show up (after seeing it on the 
internal Neo site for a while). Cute!

BTW, it wouldn't work with serialize for me - I had to say validate.

BTW2, to stop Dick whining, the following URL *does* work on a Mac:

http://localhost:8500/cfide/administrator/settings/_licensedata.cfm?validate

Happy now, Dick? ;)

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Re: Nice

[todd]

Well, I don't know what's up with your settings then because that's all it 
is... it's a flash movie that scrolls up the list of names of developers 
that was on the CFMX team.  There's nothing complicated here unless it's 
using Flash Remoting.

~Todd


On Tue, 10 Sep 2002, Dick Applebaum wrote:

 Todd
 
 I doubt that Flash Remoting is the problem -- Christian Cantrell gave a 
 Flash Remotiing presentation to a Recent FlashForward entirely on a Mac 
 (Server and Client).  Christian is co-authoring a book on the subjace 
 with Mike Chambers... Christian tells me he does all his development on 
 a Mac.
 
 I do take offense.  The reason I asked is that most of the participants 
 of this list will help others even on topics of no immediate value to 
 themselves.
 
 Dick

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RE: Developer Platform suggestions was Re: Nice

[Matt Liotta]

IMHO, I'd go with Linux. Not only does CF run the best on Linux, but you
also have access to any kind of text editor/IDE you could want. Many of
them are way better than DMX, which isn't saying much I know, but there
it is. Plus, Linux is as stable as it gets and is free.

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 -Original Message-
 From: Jeffry Houser [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
 Sent: Tuesday, September 10, 2002 10:23 AM
 To: CF-Talk
 Subject: Re: Developer Platform suggestions was Re: Nice
 
   I've used Windows 9x and they worked okay as long as you rebooted at
 least once a day (preferably twice).
 
   I use Windows 2000 now.  I've had few problems and the system is
very
 stable, even if I don't reboot it for 3-4 days.
 
 At 10:12 AM 9/10/2002 -0700, you wrote:
 Ya' know, it gets pretty old...  I am beginning to accept the fact
that
 as a Mac/CF developer, I will always be a second-class citizen, and
not
 have equal resources with the competition.
 
 So, I am open to suggestions:
 
 If you could chose a platform today, with no baggage, what would it
be?
 
 I am seriously looking for suggestions!
 
 TIA
 
 Dick
 
 
 On Tuesday, September 10, 2002, at 09:56 AM, Stephen Moretti wrote:
 
   It doesn't work on a Mac -- why doesn't that surprise me?
  
   Dick
  
   On Tuesday, September 10, 2002, at 08:18 AM, Bryan F. Hogan
wrote:
  
   http://cfm.blogspot.com/
  
 What easter egg?
  
   At 11:10 AM 9/10/2002 -0400, you wrote:
   I like the CF Easter Egg
  
  
  
   Ok I shouldn't really do this on CF-Talk, but I can't resist.
   Sorry
   Michael.
  
   Does anything work on a Mac???
  
   Sorry Dick Only joking!
  
  
   Stephen
  
  
  
 
 
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RE: Developer Platform suggestions was Re: Nice

[Tony Carcieri]

Ditto. I have used it since it first came out. The only suggestion/concern I
have is this:
my father-in-law has a Gateway System (about 2 years old now) and when he
installed SP3, it crashed his computer HARD! All he got was a blue screen.
Me, personally, have not had any trouble on both Dell machines and I am
running SP3 with all sec. patches.

HTH,
Big T

-Original Message-
From: Jeffry Houser [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
Sent: Tuesday, September 10, 2002 1:23 PM
To: CF-Talk
Subject: Re: Developer Platform suggestions was Re: Nice


  I've used Windows 9x and they worked okay as long as you rebooted at
least once a day (preferably twice).

  I use Windows 2000 now.  I've had few problems and the system is very
stable, even if I don't reboot it for 3-4 days.

At 10:12 AM 9/10/2002 -0700, you wrote:
Ya' know, it gets pretty old...  I am beginning to accept the fact that
as a Mac/CF developer, I will always be a second-class citizen, and not
have equal resources with the competition.

So, I am open to suggestions:

If you could chose a platform today, with no baggage, what would it be?

I am seriously looking for suggestions!

TIA

Dick


On Tuesday, September 10, 2002, at 09:56 AM, Stephen Moretti wrote:

  It doesn't work on a Mac -- why doesn't that surprise me?
 
  Dick
 
  On Tuesday, September 10, 2002, at 08:18 AM, Bryan F. Hogan wrote:
 
  http://cfm.blogspot.com/
 
What easter egg?
 
  At 11:10 AM 9/10/2002 -0400, you wrote:
  I like the CF Easter Egg
 
 
 
  Ok I shouldn't really do this on CF-Talk, but I can't resist.
  Sorry
  Michael.
 
  Does anything work on a Mac???
 
  Sorry Dick Only joking!
 
 
  Stephen
 
 
 


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Re: Developer Platform suggestions was Re: Nice

[Dick Applebaum]

On Tuesday, September 10, 2002, at 10:44 AM, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 If the majority of the program I ran wasn't windows based, I'd run
 redhat linux.  Dick, I think you're going about this the wrong way tho.
 OSX shows a lot of promise from what I've seen (despite that it's a day
 and a dollar too late).  Hell, I'm jealous of OSX that it runs on top 
 of a
 stable platform like BSD.  There is nothing inheritantly wrong with OSX
 and the MyOS is better than YourOS is always going to be a heated
 discussion.  I'd seriously invest in another layer of humor and thick
 skin and not worry about it so much.


The fact that an OS is good or bad isn't the issue.  What I need is an 
OS that supports my Developer platform of choice and vise-versa.   I 
spent a lot of time on the port and vocal support of CFMX-Mac OS X 
platform... a lot of time that could have been spent earning an income. 
  I gave it my best shot, butnow it's time to move on.

I can add the layer of humor and skin -- but I gotta' pay the bills, 
too.

 If you really want to make everyone happy on the list (opposed to
 yourself) then... get a wintel or redhat box for the purpose of a

Which?  Windows or Linux?

Why?

What db(s) should I put on the developer box -- I want to be able to 
develop and demonstrate entirely on a laptop (and I rule out MS-Access 
as a viable db for presentations/demonstrations)?

What should I expect to pay for hardware  software for a complete, 
self-contained development system?

Also looking for hardware brand/source recommendations;

Also, what software packages beyoun the basic OS?

TIA

Dick



 development server.  I don't think you realized the can of worms you
 opened on yourself when you ported CFMX to OSX. ;)

 ~Todd

 On Tue, 10 Sep 2002, Dick Applebaum wrote:

 Ya' know, it gets pretty old...  I am beginning to accept the fact 
 that
 as a Mac/CF developer, I will always be a second-class citizen, and 
 not
 have equal resources with the competition.

 So, I am open to suggestions:

 If you could chose a platform today, with no baggage, what would it 
 be?

 I am seriously looking for suggestions!

 TIA

 Dick


 On Tuesday, September 10, 2002, at 09:56 AM, Stephen Moretti wrote:

 It doesn't work on a Mac -- why doesn't that surprise me?

 Dick

 On Tuesday, September 10, 2002, at 08:18 AM, Bryan F. Hogan wrote:

 http://cfm.blogspot.com/

   What easter egg?

 At 11:10 AM 9/10/2002 -0400, you wrote:
 I like the CF Easter Egg



 Ok I shouldn't really do this on CF-Talk, but I can't resist.
 Sorry
 Michael.

 Does anything work on a Mac???

 Sorry Dick Only joking!


 Stephen




 
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RE: Developer Platform suggestions was Re: Nice

[Jesse Noller]

I would highly recommend OS2/Warp 4

Jesse Noller
[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Macromedia Server Development
Unix/Linux special guy 

But I ned tacos! I need them or I will
explode! That happens to me sometimes! -GIR

 -Original Message-
 From: Matt Liotta [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
 Sent: Tuesday, September 10, 2002 1:37 PM
 To: CF-Talk
 Subject: RE: Developer Platform suggestions was Re: Nice
 
 IMHO, I'd go with Linux. Not only does CF run the best on Linux, but you
 also have access to any kind of text editor/IDE you could want. Many of
 them are way better than DMX, which isn't saying much I know, but there
 it is. Plus, Linux is as stable as it gets and is free.
 
 Matt Liotta
 President  CEO
 Montara Software, Inc.
 http://www.montarasoftware.com/
 888-408-0900 x901
 
  -Original Message-
  From: Jeffry Houser [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
  Sent: Tuesday, September 10, 2002 10:23 AM
  To: CF-Talk
  Subject: Re: Developer Platform suggestions was Re: Nice
 
I've used Windows 9x and they worked okay as long as you rebooted at
  least once a day (preferably twice).
 
I use Windows 2000 now.  I've had few problems and the system is
 very
  stable, even if I don't reboot it for 3-4 days.
 
  At 10:12 AM 9/10/2002 -0700, you wrote:
  Ya' know, it gets pretty old...  I am beginning to accept the fact
 that
  as a Mac/CF developer, I will always be a second-class citizen, and
 not
  have equal resources with the competition.
  
  So, I am open to suggestions:
  
  If you could chose a platform today, with no baggage, what would it
 be?
  
  I am seriously looking for suggestions!
  
  TIA
  
  Dick
  
  
  On Tuesday, September 10, 2002, at 09:56 AM, Stephen Moretti wrote:
  
It doesn't work on a Mac -- why doesn't that surprise me?
   
Dick
   
On Tuesday, September 10, 2002, at 08:18 AM, Bryan F. Hogan
 wrote:
   
http://cfm.blogspot.com/
   
  What easter egg?
   
At 11:10 AM 9/10/2002 -0400, you wrote:
I like the CF Easter Egg
   
   
   
Ok I shouldn't really do this on CF-Talk, but I can't resist.
Sorry
Michael.
   
Does anything work on a Mac???
   
Sorry Dick Only joking!
   
   
Stephen
   
   
   
  
 
 
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Re: Developer Platform suggestions was Re: Nice

[Joe Eugene]

I did have a developer version of Oracle running in parallel with SQL
Server...had to remove it.
due to limitations of my hard drive.. i mean its cheap to get a new hard
drive..
but i am tripple booting Win2k, Win NT and WinXP for development purposes
and
just havent had the time to re-build. I would love to get one of those 120GB
WD SE's
and Re-do all of it from scratch.. Maybe install Linux as well.

NET Framework is free and coding in C#.. u really dont need anything..
other than
a basic IDE. C# is basically Microsofts version of Java.. but compiled into
MSIL before
execution.

SQL Server... I think u can get a developer edition.

Joe



- Original Message -
From: Dick Applebaum [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: CF-Talk [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Tuesday, September 10, 2002 1:31 PM
Subject: Re: Developer Platform suggestions was Re: Nice


 Joe

 Do you have NET, SQL Server Oracle installed on your developer machine/

 Are there free/reasonable developer versions of these available.

 The reason I ask is I want a completely self-contained environment on a
 laptop -- that I can use for development and demonstration to clients.

 I have been burned too many times to think I can depend on MS-Access
 for demos.

 Dick

 On Tuesday, September 10, 2002, at 10:17 AM, Joe Eugene wrote:

  Windows 2k
  Advantages.
  CF(CFMX) Development
  JSP(CFMX) or Tomcat Development
  NET Development
  SQL Server
  Oracle
 
  Joe
 
  - Original Message -
  From: Dick Applebaum [EMAIL PROTECTED]
  To: CF-Talk [EMAIL PROTECTED]
  Sent: Tuesday, September 10, 2002 1:12 PM
  Subject: Developer Platform suggestions was Re: Nice
 
 
  Ya' know, it gets pretty old...  I am beginning to accept the fact
  that
  as a Mac/CF developer, I will always be a second-class citizen, and
  not
  have equal resources with the competition.
 
  So, I am open to suggestions:
 
  If you could chose a platform today, with no baggage, what would it
  be?
 
  I am seriously looking for suggestions!
 
  TIA
 
  Dick
 
 
  On Tuesday, September 10, 2002, at 09:56 AM, Stephen Moretti wrote:
 
  It doesn't work on a Mac -- why doesn't that surprise me?
 
  Dick
 
  On Tuesday, September 10, 2002, at 08:18 AM, Bryan F. Hogan wrote:
 
  http://cfm.blogspot.com/
 
What easter egg?
 
  At 11:10 AM 9/10/2002 -0400, you wrote:
  I like the CF Easter Egg
 
 
 
  Ok I shouldn't really do this on CF-Talk, but I can't resist.
  Sorry
  Michael.
 
  Does anything work on a Mac???
 
  Sorry Dick Only joking!
 
 
  Stephen
 
 
 
 
 
 
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RE: Developer Platform suggestions was Re: Nice

[Craig Thomas]

Linux, I like redhat's.  But I, for one, would hate to see you give up on
osx.

-Craig

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RE: Developer Platform suggestions was Re: Nice

[Stacy Young]

I'd choose Mac if software support were stronger...seems it's on it's way up
so that's a good thing!

Right now I work on Win2k pro and it's stabledoes what it needs.

Stace

-Original Message-
From: Jochem van Dieten [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] 
Sent: Tuesday, September 10, 2002 1:38 PM
To: CF-Talk
Subject: Re: Developer Platform suggestions was Re: Nice

Dick Applebaum wrote:
 Ya' know, it gets pretty old...  I am beginning to accept the fact that 
 as a Mac/CF developer, I will always be a second-class citizen, and not 
 have equal resources with the competition.
 
 So, I am open to suggestions:
 
 If you could chose a platform today, with no baggage, what would it be?

Assuming that with no baggage means both being able to afford it and 
having no prior experience with anything computer related so the 
learning curve would start at 0 for all platforms I would probably 
choose a Mac.

Jochem


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RE: Developer Platform suggestions was Re: Nice

[Joe Eugene]

Build your own development box.. i dont trust whats in DELL or Gateway ... 
and wouldnt even consider HP.


From: Tony Carcieri [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: CF-Talk [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: RE: Developer Platform suggestions was Re: Nice
Date: Tue, 10 Sep 2002 13:45:56 -0400

Ditto. I have used it since it first came out. The only suggestion/concern 
I
have is this:
my father-in-law has a Gateway System (about 2 years old now) and when he
installed SP3, it crashed his computer HARD! All he got was a blue screen.
Me, personally, have not had any trouble on both Dell machines and I am
running SP3 with all sec. patches.

HTH,
Big T

-Original Message-
From: Jeffry Houser [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
Sent: Tuesday, September 10, 2002 1:23 PM
To: CF-Talk
Subject: Re: Developer Platform suggestions was Re: Nice


   I've used Windows 9x and they worked okay as long as you rebooted at
least once a day (preferably twice).

   I use Windows 2000 now.  I've had few problems and the system is very
stable, even if I don't reboot it for 3-4 days.

At 10:12 AM 9/10/2002 -0700, you wrote:
 Ya' know, it gets pretty old...  I am beginning to accept the fact that
 as a Mac/CF developer, I will always be a second-class citizen, and not
 have equal resources with the competition.
 
 So, I am open to suggestions:
 
 If you could chose a platform today, with no baggage, what would it be?
 
 I am seriously looking for suggestions!
 
 TIA
 
 Dick
 
 
 On Tuesday, September 10, 2002, at 09:56 AM, Stephen Moretti wrote:
 
   It doesn't work on a Mac -- why doesn't that surprise me?
  
   Dick
  
   On Tuesday, September 10, 2002, at 08:18 AM, Bryan F. Hogan wrote:
  
   http://cfm.blogspot.com/
  
 What easter egg?
  
   At 11:10 AM 9/10/2002 -0400, you wrote:
   I like the CF Easter Egg
  
  
  
   Ok I shouldn't really do this on CF-Talk, but I can't resist.
   Sorry
   Michael.
  
   Does anything work on a Mac???
  
   Sorry Dick Only joking!
  
  
   Stephen
  
  
  
 


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Re: Developer Platform suggestions was Re: Nice

[Dick Applebaum]

Jochem

Emotionally, I agree with you!

I am even teased when I come across a reference to the Mac (Darwin, 
Rapsody, etc.) in the CFMX code.

I took this to mean that there was intent to support the Mac (past, 
present or future).

 From what I perceive, this is not likely to happen -- at bets the Mac 
will be an unsupported platform.

But it is too much of a disadvantage to develop on an unsupported 
platform.

I can't even report problems (Oh, of course it won't work-- that's 
unsupported-- does it work on platform X?)

I can't expect real problems to be fixed, when the manufacturer doesn't 
derive any income from the platform.

I often get derision or disrespect for my choice of an (obviously) 
inferior platform -- even when asking a simple question.

I could easily spend 30 hours a week trying to get all the CFMX bells 
and whistles working on my unsupported platform -- and never quite get 
there!

Then, a future release of CFMX could include some Must Have fixes 
(bugs, security, etc.) and specifically preclude running on the Mac.

So, for purposes of making a business decision, the Mac is not an 
option for ColdFusion.

So, what is?

TIA

Dick



On Tuesday, September 10, 2002, at 10:37 AM, Jochem van Dieten wrote:

 Dick Applebaum wrote:
 Ya' know, it gets pretty old...  I am beginning to accept the fact 
 that
 as a Mac/CF developer, I will always be a second-class citizen, and 
 not
 have equal resources with the competition.

 So, I am open to suggestions:

 If you could chose a platform today, with no baggage, what would it 
 be?

 Assuming that with no baggage means both being able to afford it and
 having no prior experience with anything computer related so the
 learning curve would start at 0 for all platforms I would probably
 choose a Mac.

 Jochem

 
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RE: Developer Platform suggestions was Re: Nice

[todd]

See Dick, there is something worst than a Mac.  A Gateway! *cringes*

I refuse to touch a gateway, especially since years ago when I heard they 
were recycling refurbished parts as 'real parts' and ... well, my parents 
had a gateway and that was a war story itself. :P

~Todd


On Tue, 10 Sep 2002, Tony Carcieri wrote:

 Ditto. I have used it since it first came out. The only suggestion/concern I
 have is this:
 my father-in-law has a Gateway System (about 2 years old now) and when he
 installed SP3, it crashed his computer HARD! All he got was a blue screen.
 Me, personally, have not had any trouble on both Dell machines and I am
 running SP3 with all sec. patches.
 
 HTH,
 Big T

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RE: Developer Platform suggestions was Re: Nice

[Robert Everland]

I prefer a Strong Bad brand 386. Has a text editor.

Robert Everland III
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-Original Message-
From: Jesse Noller [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] 
Sent: Tuesday, September 10, 2002 1:58 PM
To: CF-Talk
Subject: RE: Developer Platform suggestions was Re: Nice


I would highly recommend OS2/Warp 4

Jesse Noller
[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Macromedia Server Development
Unix/Linux special guy 

But I ned tacos! I need them or I will
explode! That happens to me sometimes! -GIR

 -Original Message-
 From: Matt Liotta [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
 Sent: Tuesday, September 10, 2002 1:37 PM
 To: CF-Talk
 Subject: RE: Developer Platform suggestions was Re: Nice
 
 IMHO, I'd go with Linux. Not only does CF run the best on Linux, but 
 you also have access to any kind of text editor/IDE you could want. 
 Many of them are way better than DMX, which isn't saying much I know, 
 but there it is. Plus, Linux is as stable as it gets and is free.
 
 Matt Liotta
 President  CEO
 Montara Software, Inc.
 http://www.montarasoftware.com/
 888-408-0900 x901
 
  -Original Message-
  From: Jeffry Houser [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
  Sent: Tuesday, September 10, 2002 10:23 AM
  To: CF-Talk
  Subject: Re: Developer Platform suggestions was Re: Nice
 
I've used Windows 9x and they worked okay as long as you rebooted 
  at least once a day (preferably twice).
 
I use Windows 2000 now.  I've had few problems and the system is
 very
  stable, even if I don't reboot it for 3-4 days.
 
  At 10:12 AM 9/10/2002 -0700, you wrote:
  Ya' know, it gets pretty old...  I am beginning to accept the fact
 that
  as a Mac/CF developer, I will always be a second-class citizen, and
 not
  have equal resources with the competition.
  
  So, I am open to suggestions:
  
  If you could chose a platform today, with no baggage, what would it
 be?
  
  I am seriously looking for suggestions!
  
  TIA
  
  Dick
  
  
  On Tuesday, September 10, 2002, at 09:56 AM, Stephen Moretti wrote:
  
It doesn't work on a Mac -- why doesn't that surprise me?
   
Dick
   
On Tuesday, September 10, 2002, at 08:18 AM, Bryan F. Hogan
 wrote:
   
http://cfm.blogspot.com/
   
  What easter egg?
   
At 11:10 AM 9/10/2002 -0400, you wrote:
I like the CF Easter Egg
   
   
   
Ok I shouldn't really do this on CF-Talk, but I can't 
resist. Sorry Michael.
   
Does anything work on a Mac???
   
Sorry Dick Only joking!
   
   
Stephen
   
   
   
  
 
 

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Re: Developer Platform suggestions was Re: Nice

[Jerry Johnson]

Why do you rule Access out as a viable db for demos?

Jerry Johnson

 [EMAIL PROTECTED] 09/10/02 01:57PM 
On Tuesday, September 10, 2002, at 10:44 AM, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

snip

...(and I rule out MS-Access as a viable db for presentations/demonstrations)?




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RE: Developer Platform suggestions was Re: Nice

[Clint Tredway]

This is what I currently run on my laptop:
WinXP Pro (much better than 2000 ever wanted to be)
CFMX Dev Edition
NET
MySQL 3.23
SQL Server 2000
PHP 4.2.3

I use various txt editors and DWMX depending on what I need to do.
This set works extremely well for me. 

-Original Message-
From: Dick Applebaum [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] 
Sent: Tuesday, September 10, 2002 12:58 PM
To: CF-Talk
Subject: Re: Developer Platform suggestions was Re: Nice


On Tuesday, September 10, 2002, at 10:44 AM, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 If the majority of the program I ran wasn't windows based, I'd run 
 redhat linux.  Dick, I think you're going about this the wrong way 
 tho. OSX shows a lot of promise from what I've seen (despite that it's

 a day and a dollar too late).  Hell, I'm jealous of OSX that it runs 
 on top of a stable platform like BSD.  There is nothing inheritantly 
 wrong with OSX and the MyOS is better than YourOS is always going to 
 be a heated discussion.  I'd seriously invest in another layer of 
 humor and thick skin and not worry about it so much.


The fact that an OS is good or bad isn't the issue.  What I need is an 
OS that supports my Developer platform of choice and vise-versa.   I 
spent a lot of time on the port and vocal support of CFMX-Mac OS X 
platform... a lot of time that could have been spent earning an income. 
  I gave it my best shot, butnow it's time to move on.

I can add the layer of humor and skin -- but I gotta' pay the bills, 
too.

 If you really want to make everyone happy on the list (opposed to
 yourself) then... get a wintel or redhat box for the purpose of a

Which?  Windows or Linux?

Why?

What db(s) should I put on the developer box -- I want to be able to 
develop and demonstrate entirely on a laptop (and I rule out MS-Access 
as a viable db for presentations/demonstrations)?

What should I expect to pay for hardware  software for a complete, 
self-contained development system?

Also looking for hardware brand/source recommendations;

Also, what software packages beyoun the basic OS?

TIA

Dick



 development server.  I don't think you realized the can of worms you 
 opened on yourself when you ported CFMX to OSX. ;)

 ~Todd

 On Tue, 10 Sep 2002, Dick Applebaum wrote:

 Ya' know, it gets pretty old...  I am beginning to accept the fact
 that
 as a Mac/CF developer, I will always be a second-class citizen, and 
 not
 have equal resources with the competition.

 So, I am open to suggestions:

 If you could chose a platform today, with no baggage, what would it
 be?

 I am seriously looking for suggestions!

 TIA

 Dick


 On Tuesday, September 10, 2002, at 09:56 AM, Stephen Moretti wrote:

 It doesn't work on a Mac -- why doesn't that surprise me?

 Dick

 On Tuesday, September 10, 2002, at 08:18 AM, Bryan F. Hogan wrote:

 http://cfm.blogspot.com/

   What easter egg?

 At 11:10 AM 9/10/2002 -0400, you wrote:
 I like the CF Easter Egg



 Ok I shouldn't really do this on CF-Talk, but I can't resist. 
 Sorry Michael.

 Does anything work on a Mac???

 Sorry Dick Only joking!


 Stephen




 

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RE: Developer Platform suggestions was Re: Nice

[Jeffry Houser]

  Yes, looking at the Warp web-site ( 
http://www-3.ibm.com/software/os/warp/ ) it does seem to be Y2K ready, and 
compatible with most Windows 3.x applications.  Something I always look for 
in a develop system choice.

  I didn't realize that OS/2 was still available.

At 01:57 PM 9/10/2002 -0400, you wrote:
I would highly recommend OS2/Warp 4

Jesse Noller
[EMAIL PROTECTED]
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Unix/Linux special guy

But I ned tacos! I need them or I will
explode! That happens to me sometimes! -GIR

  -Original Message-
  From: Matt Liotta [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
  Sent: Tuesday, September 10, 2002 1:37 PM
  To: CF-Talk
  Subject: RE: Developer Platform suggestions was Re: Nice
 
  IMHO, I'd go with Linux. Not only does CF run the best on Linux, but you
  also have access to any kind of text editor/IDE you could want. Many of
  them are way better than DMX, which isn't saying much I know, but there
  it is. Plus, Linux is as stable as it gets and is free.
 
  Matt Liotta
  President  CEO
  Montara Software, Inc.
  http://www.montarasoftware.com/
  888-408-0900 x901
 
   -Original Message-
   From: Jeffry Houser [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
   Sent: Tuesday, September 10, 2002 10:23 AM
   To: CF-Talk
   Subject: Re: Developer Platform suggestions was Re: Nice
  
 I've used Windows 9x and they worked okay as long as you rebooted at
   least once a day (preferably twice).
  
 I use Windows 2000 now.  I've had few problems and the system is
  very
   stable, even if I don't reboot it for 3-4 days.
  
   At 10:12 AM 9/10/2002 -0700, you wrote:
   Ya' know, it gets pretty old...  I am beginning to accept the fact
  that
   as a Mac/CF developer, I will always be a second-class citizen, and
  not
   have equal resources with the competition.
   
   So, I am open to suggestions:
   
   If you could chose a platform today, with no baggage, what would it
  be?
   
   I am seriously looking for suggestions!
   
   TIA
   
   Dick
   
   
   On Tuesday, September 10, 2002, at 09:56 AM, Stephen Moretti wrote:
   
 It doesn't work on a Mac -- why doesn't that surprise me?

 Dick

 On Tuesday, September 10, 2002, at 08:18 AM, Bryan F. Hogan
  wrote:

 http://cfm.blogspot.com/

   What easter egg?

 At 11:10 AM 9/10/2002 -0400, you wrote:
 I like the CF Easter Egg



 Ok I shouldn't really do this on CF-Talk, but I can't resist.
 Sorry
 Michael.

 Does anything work on a Mac???

 Sorry Dick Only joking!


 Stephen



   
  
 

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Re: Developer Platform suggestions was Re: Nice

[todd]

 Which?  Windows or Linux?

If you want to keep things simple and don't want to have to fuss with 
linux driver compatibilities, etc.  Then, go with Windows 2000 or XP.

 Why?

If you've never dealt with linux before, you'll thank me.  Yes, it's 
gotten easier to install, but despite what Matt L. says, it doesn't mean 
it's gotten easier to use overall.

 What db(s) should I put on the developer box -- I want to be able to 
 develop and demonstrate entirely on a laptop (and I rule out MS-Access 
 as a viable db for presentations/demonstrations)?

If you want dbs that don't cost money:
-MySQL
-PostgreSQL

Otherwise, SQL Server 2k (MDSE version is free I think) will run you a 
pretty penny (and, same with oracle).  IBM DB2 Developer edition is free 
as well.

 What should I expect to pay for hardware  software for a complete, 
 self-contained development system?

Roughly $2-3 grand for hardware.  The packages we got recently from dell 
runs about $1500-$1800, not bad for a work machine w/ 19 monitor.

Software depends.  What all are you looking to do?  I run:
-Apache (free)
-CFMX Developer edition (free)
-MySQL (free)
-datamodelling tool (casestudio.com - $325)
-Photoshop ($900+)
-Flash MX (better off getting Studio MX for that price)

Also misc. programs for sound editing, video editing, etc.  There are 
plenty of free alternatives out there, but your development platform 
should try to mimic the production platform as close as possible.

 Also looking for hardware brand/source recommendations;

-Dell, Alienware

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RE: Developer Platform suggestions was Re: Nice

[Dave Watts]

 Do you have NET, SQL Server Oracle installed on your 
 developer machine/

Yes, you can run all of those on a laptop. On my laptop, running Win2K
Server SP3, I have SQL Server 2000 and the .NET Framework, among other
things. I don't have Oracle installed right now, but several people here run
Oracle 8.1.7 on their laptops, just for fun.

 Are there free/reasonable developer versions of these 
 available.

Yes. You can download Oracle from the Oracle Technet site for free, for
development use (http://technet.oracle.com/). It requires some patience,
since it's a very slow download, and Oracle 9i for Windows is four CDs. You
can likewise download the .NET Framework and install it on any Windows 2000
machine for free - and that's all you really need for ASP.NET development.
(Visual Studio.NET is nice, but there's a free ASP.NET development tool
called WebMatrix available here: http://www.asp.net/.)

There's a developer version of SQL Server 2000, but it's still about $400 or
so, which isn't really that bad, but even there, you have alternatives. For
CF development, you can use MSDE, which is essentially SQL Server without
the Enterprise Manager console application:
http://www.microsoft.com/sql/techinfo/development/2000/MSDE2000.asp

 The reason I ask is I want a completely self-contained 
 environment on a laptop -- that I can use for development 
 and demonstration to clients.

In that case, I'd recommend Windows 2000 over Linux. There are several
reasons I'd make that recommendation. One is simply that you're less likely
to run into installation issues with your laptop - while Linux can be made
to run on most laptops, the manufacturers don't necessarily make it easy. To
take that one step farther, any gadgets that you want to hook up to your
laptop will generally be supported under Windows, but maybe not under Linux.


Another is familiarity - you and your clients are probably more familiar
with the Windows interface; since you're getting this to demo to clients,
they'll be looking right at it, and you won't have to answer stupid
questions like where's the Start menu on this thing. This extends to
sharing files (Word docs, Powerpoint presentations, etc) with those clients.

Another is simply that there are more commercial applications generally
available on Windows - I can't think of one database diagrammer available
for Linux, for example. I won't argue that Windows is a better server
platform than Linux, but I think it's a more generally useful platform for
most laptop users.

But before you ditch OS X, you might just try running everything you need
within Virtual PC, on either a Windows or Linux virtual OS. I do this for
some things, and the performance isn't that bad for development purposes. On
occasion, I run two virtual OS sessions (both Windows 2000, usually) without
noticeable degradation in responses from services within those sessions. If
I recall correctly, you already have a copy of Virtual PC, so you might have
nothing to lose by trying this approach.

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RE: Developer Platform suggestions was Re: Nice

[Ryan Kime]

Dick,

For development purposes/presentation only...either:

Wintel:
W2K
CFStudio 5
CFMX Developer's Edition
MySQL
MySQL-Front (discontinued...that sux!)
VMware

Linux
RedHat 7.2 or 7.3
CFMX Developer's Edition
KDE
MySQL or PostgreSQL
Vmware
(some type of IDE...I'm sure others have a better opinion about this)


Cost - $2,000-$4,000 depending on your hardware

Laptops? I would go either IBM or Dell


-Original Message-
From: Dick Applebaum [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] 
Sent: Tuesday, September 10, 2002 12:58 PM
To: CF-Talk
Subject: Re: Developer Platform suggestions was Re: Nice


On Tuesday, September 10, 2002, at 10:44 AM, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 If the majority of the program I ran wasn't windows based, I'd run 
 redhat linux.  Dick, I think you're going about this the wrong way 
 tho. OSX shows a lot of promise from what I've seen (despite that it's 
 a day and a dollar too late).  Hell, I'm jealous of OSX that it runs 
 on top of a stable platform like BSD.  There is nothing inheritantly 
 wrong with OSX and the MyOS is better than YourOS is always going to 
 be a heated discussion.  I'd seriously invest in another layer of 
 humor and thick skin and not worry about it so much.


The fact that an OS is good or bad isn't the issue.  What I need is an 
OS that supports my Developer platform of choice and vise-versa.   I 
spent a lot of time on the port and vocal support of CFMX-Mac OS X 
platform... a lot of time that could have been spent earning an income. 
  I gave it my best shot, butnow it's time to move on.

I can add the layer of humor and skin -- but I gotta' pay the bills, 
too.

 If you really want to make everyone happy on the list (opposed to
 yourself) then... get a wintel or redhat box for the purpose of a

Which?  Windows or Linux?

Why?

What db(s) should I put on the developer box -- I want to be able to 
develop and demonstrate entirely on a laptop (and I rule out MS-Access 
as a viable db for presentations/demonstrations)?

What should I expect to pay for hardware  software for a complete, 
self-contained development system?

Also looking for hardware brand/source recommendations;

Also, what software packages beyoun the basic OS?

TIA

Dick



 development server.  I don't think you realized the can of worms you 
 opened on yourself when you ported CFMX to OSX. ;)

 ~Todd

 On Tue, 10 Sep 2002, Dick Applebaum wrote:

 Ya' know, it gets pretty old...  I am beginning to accept the fact
 that
 as a Mac/CF developer, I will always be a second-class citizen, and 
 not
 have equal resources with the competition.

 So, I am open to suggestions:

 If you could chose a platform today, with no baggage, what would it
 be?

 I am seriously looking for suggestions!

 TIA

 Dick

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Re: Developer Platform suggestions was Re: Nice

[Joe Eugene]

Dick,
I did have a developer version of Oracle running in parallel with SQL
Server...had to remove it due to limitations of my hard drive.. i mean its 
cheap to get a new hard drive..but i am tripple booting Win2k, Win NT and 
WinXP for development purposes and just havent had the time to re-build. I 
would love to get one of those 120GB WD SE's and Re-do all of it from 
scratch.. Maybe install Linux as well.

NET Framework is free and coding in C#.. u really dont need anything..
other than a basic IDE. C# is basically Microsofts version of Java.. but 
compiled into MSIL before execution.

SQL Server... I think u can get a developer edition.

Joe


From: Dick Applebaum [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: CF-Talk [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: Re: Developer Platform suggestions was Re: Nice
Date: Tue, 10 Sep 2002 10:31:36 -0700

Joe

Do you have NET, SQL Server Oracle installed on your developer machine/

Are there free/reasonable developer versions of these available.

The reason I ask is I want a completely self-contained environment on a
laptop -- that I can use for development and demonstration to clients.

I have been burned too many times to think I can depend on MS-Access
for demos.

Dick

On Tuesday, September 10, 2002, at 10:17 AM, Joe Eugene wrote:

  Windows 2k
  Advantages.
  CF(CFMX) Development
  JSP(CFMX) or Tomcat Development
  NET Development
  SQL Server
  Oracle
 
  Joe
 
  - Original Message -
  From: Dick Applebaum [EMAIL PROTECTED]
  To: CF-Talk [EMAIL PROTECTED]
  Sent: Tuesday, September 10, 2002 1:12 PM
  Subject: Developer Platform suggestions was Re: Nice
 
 
  Ya' know, it gets pretty old...  I am beginning to accept the fact
  that
  as a Mac/CF developer, I will always be a second-class citizen, and
  not
  have equal resources with the competition.
 
  So, I am open to suggestions:
 
  If you could chose a platform today, with no baggage, what would it
  be?
 
  I am seriously looking for suggestions!
 
  TIA
 
  Dick
 
 
  On Tuesday, September 10, 2002, at 09:56 AM, Stephen Moretti wrote:
 
  It doesn't work on a Mac -- why doesn't that surprise me?
 
  Dick
 
  On Tuesday, September 10, 2002, at 08:18 AM, Bryan F. Hogan wrote:
 
  http://cfm.blogspot.com/
 
What easter egg?
 
  At 11:10 AM 9/10/2002 -0400, you wrote:
  I like the CF Easter Egg
 
 
 
  Ok I shouldn't really do this on CF-Talk, but I can't resist.
  Sorry
  Michael.
 
  Does anything work on a Mac???
 
  Sorry Dick Only joking!
 
 
  Stephen
 
 
 
 
 

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RE: Developer Platform suggestions was Re: Nice

[Jeffry Houser]

  Gateway has replaced my monitor ~10 times.  I keep having the same 
problem.  At least 2 or 3 of them didn't work right out of box.

  Very frustrating...

  I'm almost out of warranty, so I hope this monitor sticks.


At 02:37 PM 9/10/2002 -0400, you wrote:
See Dick, there is something worst than a Mac.  A Gateway! *cringes*

I refuse to touch a gateway, especially since years ago when I heard they
were recycling refurbished parts as 'real parts' and ... well, my parents
had a gateway and that was a war story itself. :P

~Todd


On Tue, 10 Sep 2002, Tony Carcieri wrote:

  Ditto. I have used it since it first came out. The only 
 suggestion/concern I
  have is this:
  my father-in-law has a Gateway System (about 2 years old now) and when he
  installed SP3, it crashed his computer HARD! All he got was a blue screen.
  Me, personally, have not had any trouble on both Dell machines and I am
  running SP3 with all sec. patches.
 
  HTH,
  Big T

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RE: Developer Platform suggestions was Re: Nice

[Brian Scandale]

Too Funny! 

I thought a MM guy would be trying to help not hinder! I know, you just couldn't 
resist!  ;-)


At 10:57 AM 9/10/02, you wrote:
I would highly recommend OS2/Warp 4

Jesse Noller
[EMAIL PROTECTED]
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But I ned tacos! I need them or I will
explode! That happens to me sometimes! -GIR

 -Original Message-
 From: Matt Liotta [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
 Sent: Tuesday, September 10, 2002 1:37 PM
 To: CF-Talk
 Subject: RE: Developer Platform suggestions was Re: Nice
 
 IMHO, I'd go with Linux. Not only does CF run the best on Linux, but you
 also have access to any kind of text editor/IDE you could want. Many of
 them are way better than DMX, which isn't saying much I know, but there
 it is. Plus, Linux is as stable as it gets and is free.
 
 Matt Liotta
 President  CEO
 Montara Software, Inc.
 http://www.montarasoftware.com/
 888-408-0900 x901
 
  -Original Message-
  From: Jeffry Houser [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
  Sent: Tuesday, September 10, 2002 10:23 AM
  To: CF-Talk
  Subject: Re: Developer Platform suggestions was Re: Nice
 
I've used Windows 9x and they worked okay as long as you rebooted at
  least once a day (preferably twice).
 
I use Windows 2000 now.  I've had few problems and the system is
 very
  stable, even if I don't reboot it for 3-4 days.
 
  At 10:12 AM 9/10/2002 -0700, you wrote:
  Ya' know, it gets pretty old...  I am beginning to accept the fact
 that
  as a Mac/CF developer, I will always be a second-class citizen, and
 not
  have equal resources with the competition.
  
  So, I am open to suggestions:
  
  If you could chose a platform today, with no baggage, what would it
 be?
  
  I am seriously looking for suggestions!
  
  TIA
  
  Dick
  
  
  On Tuesday, September 10, 2002, at 09:56 AM, Stephen Moretti wrote:
  
It doesn't work on a Mac -- why doesn't that surprise me?
   
Dick
   
On Tuesday, September 10, 2002, at 08:18 AM, Bryan F. Hogan
 wrote:
   
http://cfm.blogspot.com/
   
  What easter egg?
   
At 11:10 AM 9/10/2002 -0400, you wrote:
I like the CF Easter Egg
   
   
   
Ok I shouldn't really do this on CF-Talk, but I can't resist.
Sorry
Michael.
   
Does anything work on a Mac???
   
Sorry Dick Only joking!
   
   
Stephen
   
   
   
  
 
 

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Re: Developer Platform suggestions was Re: Nice

[Sean A Corfield]

On Tuesday, September 10, 2002, at 10:57 , Dick Applebaum wrote:
 The fact that an OS is good or bad isn't the issue.  What I need is an
 OS that supports my Developer platform of choice and vise-versa.

Well, it really depends on how closely you need your laptop to mirror any 
production environment you're building for. If your target is Solaris / 
Oracle, then developing on Windows / SQL Server will probably hurt you 
(because SQL Server and Oracle are so different). Depends on how much SQL 
you're developing.

Linux / Oracle (free!) seems a good option. Linux is very stable and fast.
  There's a lot of good tools for it. Linux is case sensitive so developing 
on Linux also means you won't have pain through trying to port 
CaSeInSeNsItIvE Windows code to Unix.

Mostly, this is an issue of database support.

I'm doing some very Oracle-specific stuff right now which means I need a 
network connection to an Oracle 9i instance (since Oracle doesn't run on 
my Mac).

In general, when I'm not pushing the Oracle envelope, Mac does just fine 
for me and I find it less hassle than Linux for day-to-day work (since you 
also need to deal with documents, email, graphics etc etc).

Make a list of exactly what software you need (generically) and then pick 
good options for each platform and make your decision based on that.

Just for the record, here's my development environment:
- Mac OS X (relying heavily on BSD and Java 1.3.1 environments)
- CFMX port (with the known non-working stuff)
- Oracle 9i drivers and a 'net connection to a suitable instance
- SQL Grinder for working with databases
- DWMX for some editing, vi for others
- Flash MX, Fireworks MX (for all graphics, rich client stuff)
- Mac CVS for version control
- Office X (a partially necessary evil)
- Fire (multi-client chat app)

 What db(s) should I put on the developer box -- I want to be able to
 develop and demonstrate entirely on a laptop (and I rule out MS-Access
 as a viable db for presentations/demonstrations)?

That appears to be the *big* question...

 What should I expect to pay for hardware  software for a complete,
 self-contained development system?

Including all the software?

 Also, what software packages beyoun the basic OS?

See above - this will also have a big impact on cost.

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Re: Developer Platform suggestions was Re: Nice

[Dick Applebaum]

I like stable!

I like free!

I especially like not being at the mercy and whim of the manufacturer!

I assume, Apache as a Web Server -- if not, what?

Which Linux -- SuSE o0r RH -- I've heard RH 7.3 and CFMX have problems. 
  I've got RH .2  it seemsd nice under emulation.

Which GUI, if any?  I prefer KDE, but am open to valid reasons!

What databases on the same box for development?

What databases for deployment that are easy to transition from the 
development dbs?

What Java Application server platform?  JRun or other?

I have been fooling with ViennaSQL as a generaL-purpose GUI SQL client 
-- anything you'd recommend over ViennaSQL?

I am investigating Jedit and it seems *really* nice! -- anything better?

TIA

Dick


On Tuesday, September 10, 2002, at 10:37 AM, Matt Liotta wrote:

 IMHO, I'd go with Linux. Not only does CF run the best on Linux, but 
 you
 also have access to any kind of text editor/IDE you could want. Many of
 them are way better than DMX, which isn't saying much I know, but there
 it is. Plus, Linux is as stable as it gets and is free.

 Matt Liotta
 President  CEO
 Montara Software, Inc.
 http://www.montarasoftware.com/
 888-408-0900 x901

 -Original Message-
 From: Jeffry Houser [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
 Sent: Tuesday, September 10, 2002 10:23 AM
 To: CF-Talk
 Subject: Re: Developer Platform suggestions was Re: Nice

   I've used Windows 9x and they worked okay as long as you rebooted at
 least once a day (preferably twice).

   I use Windows 2000 now.  I've had few problems and the system is
 very
 stable, even if I don't reboot it for 3-4 days.

 At 10:12 AM 9/10/2002 -0700, you wrote:
 Ya' know, it gets pretty old...  I am beginning to accept the fact
 that
 as a Mac/CF developer, I will always be a second-class citizen, and
 not
 have equal resources with the competition.

 So, I am open to suggestions:

 If you could chose a platform today, with no baggage, what would it
 be?

 I am seriously looking for suggestions!

 TIA

 Dick


 On Tuesday, September 10, 2002, at 09:56 AM, Stephen Moretti wrote:

 It doesn't work on a Mac -- why doesn't that surprise me?

 Dick

 On Tuesday, September 10, 2002, at 08:18 AM, Bryan F. Hogan
 wrote:

 http://cfm.blogspot.com/

   What easter egg?

 At 11:10 AM 9/10/2002 -0400, you wrote:
 I like the CF Easter Egg



 Ok I shouldn't really do this on CF-Talk, but I can't resist.
 Sorry
 Michael.

 Does anything work on a Mac???

 Sorry Dick Only joking!


 Stephen





 
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Re: Developer Platform suggestions was Re: Nice

[Sean A Corfield]

On Tuesday, September 10, 2002, at 11:09 , Joe Eugene wrote:
 C# is basically Microsofts version of Java..

Pardon?

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Re: Developer Platform suggestions was Re: Nice

[Dick Applebaum]

Jesse

Knowing some of your platform preferences, I don't think that is a 
serious answer -- the original question is serious, though!

Dick


On Tuesday, September 10, 2002, at 10:57 AM, Jesse Noller wrote:

 I would highly recommend OS2/Warp 4

 Jesse Noller
 [EMAIL PROTECTED]
 Macromedia Server Development
 Unix/Linux special guy

 But I ned tacos! I need them or I will
 explode! That happens to me sometimes! -GIR

 -Original Message-
 From: Matt Liotta [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
 Sent: Tuesday, September 10, 2002 1:37 PM
 To: CF-Talk
 Subject: RE: Developer Platform suggestions was Re: Nice

 IMHO, I'd go with Linux. Not only does CF run the best on Linux, but 
 you
 also have access to any kind of text editor/IDE you could want. Many 
 of
 them are way better than DMX, which isn't saying much I know, but 
 there
 it is. Plus, Linux is as stable as it gets and is free.

 Matt Liotta
 President  CEO
 Montara Software, Inc.
 http://www.montarasoftware.com/
 888-408-0900 x901

 -Original Message-
 From: Jeffry Houser [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
 Sent: Tuesday, September 10, 2002 10:23 AM
 To: CF-Talk
 Subject: Re: Developer Platform suggestions was Re: Nice

   I've used Windows 9x and they worked okay as long as you rebooted 
 at
 least once a day (preferably twice).

   I use Windows 2000 now.  I've had few problems and the system is
 very
 stable, even if I don't reboot it for 3-4 days.

 At 10:12 AM 9/10/2002 -0700, you wrote:
 Ya' know, it gets pretty old...  I am beginning to accept the fact
 that
 as a Mac/CF developer, I will always be a second-class citizen, and
 not
 have equal resources with the competition.

 So, I am open to suggestions:

 If you could chose a platform today, with no baggage, what would it
 be?

 I am seriously looking for suggestions!

 TIA

 Dick


 On Tuesday, September 10, 2002, at 09:56 AM, Stephen Moretti wrote:

 It doesn't work on a Mac -- why doesn't that surprise me?

 Dick

 On Tuesday, September 10, 2002, at 08:18 AM, Bryan F. Hogan
 wrote:

 http://cfm.blogspot.com/

   What easter egg?

 At 11:10 AM 9/10/2002 -0400, you wrote:
 I like the CF Easter Egg



 Ok I shouldn't really do this on CF-Talk, but I can't resist.
 Sorry
 Michael.

 Does anything work on a Mac???

 Sorry Dick Only joking!


 Stephen






 
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RE: Developer Platform suggestions was Re: Nice

[Ryan Kime]

One added note...

If all the software support was there, especially if CF Developer's Edition
was supported on Mac, I personally would look at a laptop with OSX.

Just always seems like one little thing is missing.

-Original Message-
From: Dick Applebaum [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] 
Sent: Tuesday, September 10, 2002 12:58 PM
To: CF-Talk
Subject: Re: Developer Platform suggestions was Re: Nice


On Tuesday, September 10, 2002, at 10:44 AM, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 If the majority of the program I ran wasn't windows based, I'd run 
 redhat linux.  Dick, I think you're going about this the wrong way 
 tho. OSX shows a lot of promise from what I've seen (despite that it's 
 a day and a dollar too late).  Hell, I'm jealous of OSX that it runs 
 on top of a stable platform like BSD.  There is nothing inheritantly 
 wrong with OSX and the MyOS is better than YourOS is always going to 
 be a heated discussion.  I'd seriously invest in another layer of 
 humor and thick skin and not worry about it so much.


The fact that an OS is good or bad isn't the issue.  What I need is an 
OS that supports my Developer platform of choice and vise-versa.   I 
spent a lot of time on the port and vocal support of CFMX-Mac OS X 
platform... a lot of time that could have been spent earning an income. 
  I gave it my best shot, butnow it's time to move on.

I can add the layer of humor and skin -- but I gotta' pay the bills, 
too.

 If you really want to make everyone happy on the list (opposed to
 yourself) then... get a wintel or redhat box for the purpose of a

Which?  Windows or Linux?

Why?

What db(s) should I put on the developer box -- I want to be able to 
develop and demonstrate entirely on a laptop (and I rule out MS-Access 
as a viable db for presentations/demonstrations)?

What should I expect to pay for hardware  software for a complete, 
self-contained development system?

Also looking for hardware brand/source recommendations;

Also, what software packages beyoun the basic OS?

TIA

Dick



 development server.  I don't think you realized the can of worms you 
 opened on yourself when you ported CFMX to OSX. ;)

 ~Todd

 On Tue, 10 Sep 2002, Dick Applebaum wrote:

 Ya' know, it gets pretty old...  I am beginning to accept the fact
 that
 as a Mac/CF developer, I will always be a second-class citizen, and 
 not
 have equal resources with the competition.

 So, I am open to suggestions:

 If you could chose a platform today, with no baggage, what would it
 be?

 I am seriously looking for suggestions!

 TIA

 Dick


 On Tuesday, September 10, 2002, at 09:56 AM, Stephen Moretti wrote:

 It doesn't work on a Mac -- why doesn't that surprise me?

 Dick

 On Tuesday, September 10, 2002, at 08:18 AM, Bryan F. Hogan wrote:

 http://cfm.blogspot.com/

   What easter egg?

 At 11:10 AM 9/10/2002 -0400, you wrote:
 I like the CF Easter Egg



 Ok I shouldn't really do this on CF-Talk, but I can't resist. 
 Sorry Michael.

 Does anything work on a Mac???

 Sorry Dick Only joking!


 Stephen




 

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Re: Developer Platform suggestions was Re: Nice

[Dick Applebaum]

On Tuesday, September 10, 2002, at 11:09 AM, Joe Eugene wrote:

 I did have a developer version of Oracle running in parallel with SQL
 Server...had to remove it.
 due to limitations of my hard drive.. i mean its cheap to get a new 
 hard
 drive..
 but i am tripple booting Win2k, Win NT and WinXP for development 
 purposes
 and
 just havent had the time to re-build. I would love to get one of those 
 120GB
 WD SE's
 and Re-do all of it from scratch.. Maybe install Linux as well.

I just bought a 160 Gig external firewire  -- it is faster than the 
laptop's 40 gig internal drive -- will firewire work on an intel box or 
do I need to get something else?


 NET Framework is free and coding in C#.. u really dont need anything..
 other than
 a basic IDE. C# is basically Microsofts version of Java.. but compiled 
 into
 MSIL before
 execution.

I'd rather avoid a proprietary language -- especially if the owner is 
Microsoft-- if I am going to do this, I want to have the maximum 
exposure to accept profitable development opportunities and be at the 
smallest risk that my investment of $ and time can be held hostage by a 
software or hardware manufacturer -- that's the major reason to make 
the change.


 SQL Server... I think u can get a developer edition.

I (reluctantly admits) like SQL-Server -- nice!

What about IBM's DB2-  I have a developer version of that?

Dick



 Joe



 - Original Message -
 From: Dick Applebaum [EMAIL PROTECTED]
 To: CF-Talk [EMAIL PROTECTED]
 Sent: Tuesday, September 10, 2002 1:31 PM
 Subject: Re: Developer Platform suggestions was Re: Nice


 Joe

 Do you have NET, SQL Server Oracle installed on your developer 
 machine/

 Are there free/reasonable developer versions of these available.

 The reason I ask is I want a completely self-contained environment on 
 a
 laptop -- that I can use for development and demonstration to clients.

 I have been burned too many times to think I can depend on MS-Access
 for demos.

 Dick

 On Tuesday, September 10, 2002, at 10:17 AM, Joe Eugene wrote:

 Windows 2k
 Advantages.
 CF(CFMX) Development
 JSP(CFMX) or Tomcat Development
 NET Development
 SQL Server
 Oracle

 Joe

 - Original Message -
 From: Dick Applebaum [EMAIL PROTECTED]
 To: CF-Talk [EMAIL PROTECTED]
 Sent: Tuesday, September 10, 2002 1:12 PM
 Subject: Developer Platform suggestions was Re: Nice


 Ya' know, it gets pretty old...  I am beginning to accept the fact
 that
 as a Mac/CF developer, I will always be a second-class citizen, and
 not
 have equal resources with the competition.

 So, I am open to suggestions:

 If you could chose a platform today, with no baggage, what would it
 be?

 I am seriously looking for suggestions!

 TIA

 Dick


 On Tuesday, September 10, 2002, at 09:56 AM, Stephen Moretti wrote:

 It doesn't work on a Mac -- why doesn't that surprise me?

 Dick

 On Tuesday, September 10, 2002, at 08:18 AM, Bryan F. Hogan wrote:

 http://cfm.blogspot.com/

   What easter egg?

 At 11:10 AM 9/10/2002 -0400, you wrote:
 I like the CF Easter Egg



 Ok I shouldn't really do this on CF-Talk, but I can't resist.
 Sorry
 Michael.

 Does anything work on a Mac???

 Sorry Dick Only joking!


 Stephen






 
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RE: Developer Platform suggestions was Re: Nice

[Jesse Noller]

I collect operating systems like space aliens collect mobile homes.

Jesse Noller
[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Macromedia Server Development
Unix/Linux special guy 

But I ned tacos! I need them or I will
explode! That happens to me sometimes! -GIR

 -Original Message-
 From: Jeffry Houser [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
 Sent: Tuesday, September 10, 2002 2:31 PM
 To: CF-Talk
 Subject: RE: Developer Platform suggestions was Re: Nice
 
   Yes, looking at the Warp web-site (
 http://www-3.ibm.com/software/os/warp/ ) it does seem to be Y2K ready, and
 compatible with most Windows 3.x applications.  Something I always look
 for
 in a develop system choice.
 
   I didn't realize that OS/2 was still available.
 
 At 01:57 PM 9/10/2002 -0400, you wrote:
 I would highly recommend OS2/Warp 4
 
 Jesse Noller
 [EMAIL PROTECTED]
 Macromedia Server Development
 Unix/Linux special guy
 
 But I ned tacos! I need them or I will
 explode! That happens to me sometimes! -GIR
 
   -Original Message-
   From: Matt Liotta [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
   Sent: Tuesday, September 10, 2002 1:37 PM
   To: CF-Talk
   Subject: RE: Developer Platform suggestions was Re: Nice
  
   IMHO, I'd go with Linux. Not only does CF run the best on Linux, but
 you
   also have access to any kind of text editor/IDE you could want. Many
 of
   them are way better than DMX, which isn't saying much I know, but
 there
   it is. Plus, Linux is as stable as it gets and is free.
  
   Matt Liotta
   President  CEO
   Montara Software, Inc.
   http://www.montarasoftware.com/
   888-408-0900 x901
  
-Original Message-
From: Jeffry Houser [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
Sent: Tuesday, September 10, 2002 10:23 AM
To: CF-Talk
Subject: Re: Developer Platform suggestions was Re: Nice
   
  I've used Windows 9x and they worked okay as long as you rebooted
 at
least once a day (preferably twice).
   
  I use Windows 2000 now.  I've had few problems and the system is
   very
stable, even if I don't reboot it for 3-4 days.
   
At 10:12 AM 9/10/2002 -0700, you wrote:
Ya' know, it gets pretty old...  I am beginning to accept the fact
   that
as a Mac/CF developer, I will always be a second-class citizen, and
   not
have equal resources with the competition.

So, I am open to suggestions:

If you could chose a platform today, with no baggage, what would it
   be?

I am seriously looking for suggestions!

TIA

Dick


On Tuesday, September 10, 2002, at 09:56 AM, Stephen Moretti wrote:

  It doesn't work on a Mac -- why doesn't that surprise me?
 
  Dick
 
  On Tuesday, September 10, 2002, at 08:18 AM, Bryan F. Hogan
   wrote:
 
  http://cfm.blogspot.com/
 
What easter egg?
 
  At 11:10 AM 9/10/2002 -0400, you wrote:
  I like the CF Easter Egg
 
 
 
  Ok I shouldn't really do this on CF-Talk, but I can't resist.
  Sorry
  Michael.
 
  Does anything work on a Mac???
 
  Sorry Dick Only joking!
 
 
  Stephen
 
 
 

   
  
 
 
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Re: Developer Platform suggestions was Re: Nice

[Dick Applebaum]

On Tuesday, September 10, 2002, at 11:17 AM, Craig Thomas wrote:

 Linux, I like redhat's.  But I, for one, would hate to see you give up 
 on
 osx.

I would naturally tend towards Linux over Windows.  So far, the number 
suggesting each seems to be about even.

No more than me--- but there comes a time to move on!

Dick


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Re: Developer Platform suggestions was Re: Nice

[Dick Applebaum]

Stable  does what it needs -- two pretty good recommendations!

Looking to the future, I plan to do some Java development -- does this 
influence the platform choice?

Dick

On Tuesday, September 10, 2002, at 11:13 AM, Stacy Young wrote:

 I'd choose Mac if software support were stronger...seems it's on it's 
 way up
 so that's a good thing!

 Right now I work on Win2k pro and it's stabledoes what it needs.

 Stace

 -Original Message-
 From: Jochem van Dieten [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
 Sent: Tuesday, September 10, 2002 1:38 PM
 To: CF-Talk
 Subject: Re: Developer Platform suggestions was Re: Nice

 Dick Applebaum wrote:
 Ya' know, it gets pretty old...  I am beginning to accept the fact 
 that
 as a Mac/CF developer, I will always be a second-class citizen, and 
 not
 have equal resources with the competition.

 So, I am open to suggestions:

 If you could chose a platform today, with no baggage, what would it 
 be?

 Assuming that with no baggage means both being able to afford it and
 having no prior experience with anything computer related so the
 learning curve would start at 0 for all platforms I would probably
 choose a Mac.

 Jochem


 
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Re: Developer Platform suggestions was Re: Nice

[Matt Robertson]

I personally have stuck with Win2k and have been very pleased.  I run three dev boxes. 
 Two desktops and one laptop.  One desktop runs Apache and the others are IIS.

I primarily develop in mySQL/win.  Its dirt-simple to use, free, resource-light, has a 
great enterprise mgr (3rd party) and is what I use in production.  I recode as needed 
(usually only db create and alter templates) for Oracle, MS SQL and Access.

One dev box with 1gb of RAM has mySQL, MSDE (SQL Server) and Oracle 9i running, all at 
the same time, w/about 400 mb ram unused at bootup.  The key to this is boatloads of 
RAM.  Oracle is the big hog in this regard.

All machines also run cf 4.5 and cfmx (port 8500) concurrently.  I use Studio 4.5.  
I'll bet you can still get a copy cheap on ebay.

My laptop runs mySQL and MSDE only.  Thats all I need for road warrior stuff.

My desktops are - get this - P II 400's maybe 2 yrs old, built to spec.  With a lot of 
ram and disk space thats fine for dev work, although MX's sloth is changing that 
opinion.  The laptop is one of those teeny 3lb, 1'' thick Sonys with a 12'' scrn.  
When I travel I like it light.  Cost me $1100 on a closeout at CDW last November.


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RE: Developer Platform suggestions was Re: Nice

[Mark W. Breneman]

I really, really hate to say this but, if you are a Mac user the closet
match for you will most likely be Windows 2000 or XP.

Unless you really like the terminal window (command line) in OSX. Then maybe
Linux may fit you.

I do realize that Linux has many GUI that are very good, but you will still
have to use the command line some time.  Most Mac users I know are terrified
of that command line thingy.

MHO

Mark W. Breneman
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-Network / Web Server Administrator
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  608.270.9770

-Original Message-
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
Sent: Tuesday, September 10, 2002 1:52 PM
To: CF-Talk
Subject: Re: Developer Platform suggestions was Re: Nice


 Which?  Windows or Linux?

If you want to keep things simple and don't want to have to fuss with
linux driver compatibilities, etc.  Then, go with Windows 2000 or XP.

 Why?

If you've never dealt with linux before, you'll thank me.  Yes, it's
gotten easier to install, but despite what Matt L. says, it doesn't mean
it's gotten easier to use overall.

 What db(s) should I put on the developer box -- I want to be able to
 develop and demonstrate entirely on a laptop (and I rule out MS-Access
 as a viable db for presentations/demonstrations)?

If you want dbs that don't cost money:
-MySQL
-PostgreSQL

Otherwise, SQL Server 2k (MDSE version is free I think) will run you a
pretty penny (and, same with oracle).  IBM DB2 Developer edition is free
as well.

 What should I expect to pay for hardware  software for a complete,
 self-contained development system?

Roughly $2-3 grand for hardware.  The packages we got recently from dell
runs about $1500-$1800, not bad for a work machine w/ 19 monitor.

Software depends.  What all are you looking to do?  I run:
-Apache (free)
-CFMX Developer edition (free)
-MySQL (free)
-datamodelling tool (casestudio.com - $325)
-Photoshop ($900+)
-Flash MX (better off getting Studio MX for that price)

Also misc. programs for sound editing, video editing, etc.  There are
plenty of free alternatives out there, but your development platform
should try to mimic the production platform as close as possible.

 Also looking for hardware brand/source recommendations;

-Dell, Alienware

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Re: Developer Platform suggestions was Re: Nice

[Dick Applebaum]

Joe

That's probably good advice for most, but I'd prefer off-the-shelf 
hardware -- even if I pay more -- just so I don't have to screw around 
with the hardware.

I figure regardless of platform I will need to constantly fiddle with 
the software.  I have some experience with, Win 31, win 95, win 98, win 
NT, win XP (the nag), Yellow Dog Linux, Red Hat Linux, and BSD Mac OS X.

I have developed with everything from Assembler, AlGol, ForTran, CoBOL, 
Forth, APL, Tiny C, Pascal, Perl, PHP, VBS, JavaScript/JScript, 
Flash/ActionScript, Java, and ColdFusion -- I like ColdFusion the best 
-- but thing that Java will be a requirement.

I want to concentrate on application solutions -- so the less 
non-related requirement of my time, the better.

Dick


On Tuesday, September 10, 2002, at 11:14 AM, Joe Eugene wrote:


 Build your own development box.. i dont trust whats in DELL or Gateway 
 ...
 and wouldnt even consider HP.


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RE: Developer Platform suggestions was Re: Nice

[Tony Carcieri]

Damn, I didn't know they were doing that! I have always had a Dell at work
and have never had problems. i tried to talk my father-in-law into it, but
nope, he liked his Gateway...he's wishing he had a Dell now ;-)

I am actually pricing out a new system:
P4 2.8 GHZ
1 GIG O RAM
128MB Video
Dual 15in flat mon
120 GB HD
CDRW  DVD ROM

Should be enough power to run all the crap on my poor P3 450 256 Ram Dell
Inspiron...
That thing is running:
SQL 2K
CFMX
CF5
DWMX
HS +
Flash5
Flash MX
NET SDK
Java2
and a SLEW of other crap.

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Sent: Tuesday, September 10, 2002 2:38 PM
To: CF-Talk
Subject: RE: Developer Platform suggestions was Re: Nice


See Dick, there is something worst than a Mac.  A Gateway! *cringes*

I refuse to touch a gateway, especially since years ago when I heard they
were recycling refurbished parts as 'real parts' and ... well, my parents
had a gateway and that was a war story itself. :P

~Todd


On Tue, 10 Sep 2002, Tony Carcieri wrote:

 Ditto. I have used it since it first came out. The only suggestion/concern
I
 have is this:
 my father-in-law has a Gateway System (about 2 years old now) and when he
 installed SP3, it crashed his computer HARD! All he got was a blue screen.
 Me, personally, have not had any trouble on both Dell machines and I am
 running SP3 with all sec. patches.

 HTH,
 Big T

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Re: Developer Platform suggestions was Re: Nice

[Matt Robertson]

You can - as you mentioned - use MSDE for MS SQL.  Its free, included on any Office CD 
and if you own an MS product with MSDE on it you are licensed to use it (I checked 
with MS a few months back).  But you don't get the Enterprise Manager.  I use a 
combination of SQL statements and eyeballing the data in Studio's odbc tab.  
Fortunately not my primary environment.

Oracle, however, won't set a developer back any money at all.  Just go to Oracle.com 
and sign up for a dev license.  You get a fully functional ver licensed only for dev 
use.

Then all you need is a couple of gigs of space and a bunch of time to download the 
monstrous thing... and about 500 mb of RAM to run it without paging.

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Otherwise, SQL Server 2k (MDSE version is free I think) will run you a 
pretty penny (and, same with oracle).  IBM DB2 Developer edition is free 
as well.

 
 
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RE: Developer Platform suggestions was Re: Nice

[Joshua Miller]

Dick,

I've used a Windows2K box for a couple years now with pretty solid
performance using the following:

CF Server 4, 4.5, 5 and then MX
IIS 5 Webserver - included in the Win2K Pro OS
SQL Server 2000 Developer Edition
MySQL
Access 2000 (spit)
Tomcat
Jakarta
Apache 1.3.x (not in unison, mind you - in a separate install)

For development IDE - CF Studio 4, 5 and then HomeSite+ as well as Jedit
(which is equally beautiful on the PC as on Mac).

The up side is it runs everything on one box, the downside is it's
Windows. The other downside is that it's pricey if you have to buy all
this software for Windows.

As far as hardware requirements, I've run it on two machines:

1. Compaq Presario 1200 XL-111
   500 mhz AMD K6-2
   192mb Ram
   6gb HDD

2. Sony VAIO PCG-F590
   700 mhz PIII
   128mb Ram
   17gb HDD

Both ran reasonably well and it was easy enough since everything was on
one machine. It can be painful if you don't have enough RAM or if you're
working with a fairly large DB. But for development purposes I always
use a subset of data anyway. The only other downside I can see is that
with Win2K PRO I get problems from time to time with IIS saying that
too many people are connected to the webserver and locking me out. I
believe Win2K PRO has a setting to allow only 10 connections to the
server and I have yet to find a way to change that as the logical
location has the option greyed out. I primarilly get this when working
with a multi-framed document.

I've not used CF on Linux so I can't comment there, nor have I worked
with Oracle, so I can't comment there either.

Hope this helps,

Joshua Miller
[EMAIL PROTECTED]


-Original Message-
From: Dick Applebaum [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] 
Sent: Tuesday, September 10, 2002 1:58 PM
To: CF-Talk
Subject: Re: Developer Platform suggestions was Re: Nice


On Tuesday, September 10, 2002, at 10:44 AM, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 If the majority of the program I ran wasn't windows based, I'd run 
 redhat linux.  Dick, I think you're going about this the wrong way 
 tho. OSX shows a lot of promise from what I've seen (despite that it's

 a day and a dollar too late).  Hell, I'm jealous of OSX that it runs 
 on top of a stable platform like BSD.  There is nothing inheritantly 
 wrong with OSX and the MyOS is better than YourOS is always going to 
 be a heated discussion.  I'd seriously invest in another layer of 
 humor and thick skin and not worry about it so much.


The fact that an OS is good or bad isn't the issue.  What I need is an 
OS that supports my Developer platform of choice and vise-versa.   I 
spent a lot of time on the port and vocal support of CFMX-Mac OS X 
platform... a lot of time that could have been spent earning an income. 
  I gave it my best shot, butnow it's time to move on.

I can add the layer of humor and skin -- but I gotta' pay the bills, 
too.

 If you really want to make everyone happy on the list (opposed to
 yourself) then... get a wintel or redhat box for the purpose of a

Which?  Windows or Linux?

Why?

What db(s) should I put on the developer box -- I want to be able to 
develop and demonstrate entirely on a laptop (and I rule out MS-Access 
as a viable db for presentations/demonstrations)?

What should I expect to pay for hardware  software for a complete, 
self-contained development system?

Also looking for hardware brand/source recommendations;

Also, what software packages beyoun the basic OS?

TIA

Dick



 development server.  I don't think you realized the can of worms you 
 opened on yourself when you ported CFMX to OSX. ;)

 ~Todd

 On Tue, 10 Sep 2002, Dick Applebaum wrote:

 Ya' know, it gets pretty old...  I am beginning to accept the fact
 that
 as a Mac/CF developer, I will always be a second-class citizen, and 
 not
 have equal resources with the competition.

 So, I am open to suggestions:

 If you could chose a platform today, with no baggage, what would it
 be?

 I am seriously looking for suggestions!

 TIA

 Dick


 On Tuesday, September 10, 2002, at 09:56 AM, Stephen Moretti wrote:

 It doesn't work on a Mac -- why doesn't that surprise me?

 Dick

 On Tuesday, September 10, 2002, at 08:18 AM, Bryan F. Hogan wrote:

 http://cfm.blogspot.com/

   What easter egg?

 At 11:10 AM 9/10/2002 -0400, you wrote:
 I like the CF Easter Egg



 Ok I shouldn't really do this on CF-Talk, but I can't resist. 
 Sorry Michael.

 Does anything work on a Mac???

 Sorry Dick Only joking!


 Stephen




 

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Re: Developer Platform suggestions was Re: Nice

[Dick Applebaum]

Clint

Thanks!

Remember,  I am starting from scratch.

I have some recently-purchased Mac gear that I will take a loss on, too!

What hardware  approx Cost?

What is the approx cost of Software?

TIA

Dick


On Tuesday, September 10, 2002, at 11:25 AM, Clint Tredway wrote:

 This is what I currently run on my laptop:
 WinXP Pro (much better than 2000 ever wanted to be)
 CFMX Dev Edition
 NET
 MySQL 3.23
 SQL Server 2000
 PHP 4.2.3

 I use various txt editors and DWMX depending on what I need to do.
 This set works extremely well for me.

 -Original Message-
 From: Dick Applebaum [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
 Sent: Tuesday, September 10, 2002 12:58 PM
 To: CF-Talk
 Subject: Re: Developer Platform suggestions was Re: Nice


 On Tuesday, September 10, 2002, at 10:44 AM, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 If the majority of the program I ran wasn't windows based, I'd run
 redhat linux.  Dick, I think you're going about this the wrong way
 tho. OSX shows a lot of promise from what I've seen (despite that it's

 a day and a dollar too late).  Hell, I'm jealous of OSX that it runs
 on top of a stable platform like BSD.  There is nothing inheritantly
 wrong with OSX and the MyOS is better than YourOS is always going to
 be a heated discussion.  I'd seriously invest in another layer of
 humor and thick skin and not worry about it so much.


 The fact that an OS is good or bad isn't the issue.  What I need is an
 OS that supports my Developer platform of choice and vise-versa.   I
 spent a lot of time on the port and vocal support of CFMX-Mac OS X
 platform... a lot of time that could have been spent earning an income.
   I gave it my best shot, butnow it's time to move on.

 I can add the layer of humor and skin -- but I gotta' pay the bills,
 too.

 If you really want to make everyone happy on the list (opposed to
 yourself) then... get a wintel or redhat box for the purpose of a

 Which?  Windows or Linux?

 Why?

 What db(s) should I put on the developer box -- I want to be able to
 develop and demonstrate entirely on a laptop (and I rule out MS-Access
 as a viable db for presentations/demonstrations)?

 What should I expect to pay for hardware  software for a complete,
 self-contained development system?

 Also looking for hardware brand/source recommendations;

 Also, what software packages beyoun the basic OS?

 TIA

 Dick



 development server.  I don't think you realized the can of worms you
 opened on yourself when you ported CFMX to OSX. ;)

 ~Todd

 On Tue, 10 Sep 2002, Dick Applebaum wrote:

 Ya' know, it gets pretty old...  I am beginning to accept the fact
 that
 as a Mac/CF developer, I will always be a second-class citizen, and
 not
 have equal resources with the competition.

 So, I am open to suggestions:

 If you could chose a platform today, with no baggage, what would it
 be?

 I am seriously looking for suggestions!

 TIA

 Dick


 On Tuesday, September 10, 2002, at 09:56 AM, Stephen Moretti wrote:

 It doesn't work on a Mac -- why doesn't that surprise me?

 Dick

 On Tuesday, September 10, 2002, at 08:18 AM, Bryan F. Hogan wrote:

 http://cfm.blogspot.com/

   What easter egg?

 At 11:10 AM 9/10/2002 -0400, you wrote:
 I like the CF Easter Egg



 Ok I shouldn't really do this on CF-Talk, but I can't resist.
 Sorry Michael.

 Does anything work on a Mac???

 Sorry Dick Only joking!


 Stephen






 
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RE: Developer Platform suggestions was Re: Nice

[Aunger, Mitch]

Dick, just think of it this way... if you develop on a MS platform, you'll
be able to bill the clients for 25% more time than it would take to develop
on a mac! Besides, the clients are probably more used to inferior product!

Now, in all seriousness, I develop CF on a W2k box at my office because that
is what they provide me. They pay for all the software/hardware and I get to
use what THEY pick for databases etc. so I can't give much help with free
software. 

I'm thinking of trying to develop CF as a side job to raise some money, but
would guess I won't get to do that on my iMac (even tho I'd kill to be able
to do so!).

I've seen some vendors traveling with 2 laptops and they do demos with them
cabled together - one is the 'server' and the other is the 'client' - they
do that because the customers don't believe that there's any way you can put
a server on a laptop and do demos like it is both a client and server!

Maybe you could buy a cheap non-apple laptop and install Linux server on it
and impress the clients with your portable network! You could still use your
mac as the client and development box.

If you do decide to venture over to the dark side, I wouldn't blame you...
my kids would rather eat than just be happy saying Daddy develops on a
macintosh!

I will say that I (tho I'm sure I'm in the minority) do appreciate your
efforts and your constant chatter on this list. I try to read every one of
your notes because you've got the kind of guts to state your opinions (no
matter how wrong everyone else is! HA). You're my kind of guy.

Good luck

Mitch 

-Original Message-
From: Dick Applebaum [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
Sent: Tuesday, September 10, 2002 12:58 PM
To: CF-Talk
Subject: Re: Developer Platform suggestions was Re: Nice


On Tuesday, September 10, 2002, at 10:44 AM, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 If the majority of the program I ran wasn't windows based, I'd run
 redhat linux.  Dick, I think you're going about this the wrong way tho.
 OSX shows a lot of promise from what I've seen (despite that it's a day
 and a dollar too late).  Hell, I'm jealous of OSX that it runs on top 
 of a
 stable platform like BSD.  There is nothing inheritantly wrong with OSX
 and the MyOS is better than YourOS is always going to be a heated
 discussion.  I'd seriously invest in another layer of humor and thick
 skin and not worry about it so much.


The fact that an OS is good or bad isn't the issue.  What I need is an 
OS that supports my Developer platform of choice and vise-versa.   I 
spent a lot of time on the port and vocal support of CFMX-Mac OS X 
platform... a lot of time that could have been spent earning an income. 
  I gave it my best shot, butnow it's time to move on.

I can add the layer of humor and skin -- but I gotta' pay the bills, 
too.

 If you really want to make everyone happy on the list (opposed to
 yourself) then... get a wintel or redhat box for the purpose of a

Which?  Windows or Linux?

Why?

What db(s) should I put on the developer box -- I want to be able to 
develop and demonstrate entirely on a laptop (and I rule out MS-Access 
as a viable db for presentations/demonstrations)?

What should I expect to pay for hardware  software for a complete, 
self-contained development system?

Also looking for hardware brand/source recommendations;

Also, what software packages beyoun the basic OS?

TIA

Dick



 development server.  I don't think you realized the can of worms you
 opened on yourself when you ported CFMX to OSX. ;)

 ~Todd

 On Tue, 10 Sep 2002, Dick Applebaum wrote:

 Ya' know, it gets pretty old...  I am beginning to accept the fact 
 that
 as a Mac/CF developer, I will always be a second-class citizen, and 
 not
 have equal resources with the competition.

 So, I am open to suggestions:

 If you could chose a platform today, with no baggage, what would it 
 be?

 I am seriously looking for suggestions!

 TIA

 Dick


 On Tuesday, September 10, 2002, at 09:56 AM, Stephen Moretti wrote:

 It doesn't work on a Mac -- why doesn't that surprise me?

 Dick

 On Tuesday, September 10, 2002, at 08:18 AM, Bryan F. Hogan wrote:

 http://cfm.blogspot.com/

   What easter egg?

 At 11:10 AM 9/10/2002 -0400, you wrote:
 I like the CF Easter Egg



 Ok I shouldn't really do this on CF-Talk, but I can't resist.
 Sorry
 Michael.

 Does anything work on a Mac???

 Sorry Dick Only joking!


 Stephen




 

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Re: Developer Platform suggestions was Re: Nice

[Dick Applebaum]

Because I've been burned, several times.

MS-Access can lock up with as few as 1 concurrent user.  It is not 
always easy to recover (get rid of the idb file).

Just not the sort of thing you want to do in the middle of a 
presentation.

Don't get me wrong -- MS-Acces has its place -- it is just not good for 
an online web application.

Dick
'
On Tuesday, September 10, 2002, at 11:32 AM, Jerry Johnson wrote:

 Why do you rule Access out as a viable db for demos?

 Jerry Johnson

 [EMAIL PROTECTED] 09/10/02 01:57PM 
 On Tuesday, September 10, 2002, at 10:44 AM, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

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 ...(and I rule out MS-Access as a viable db for 
 presentations/demonstrations)?

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Re: Developer Platform suggestions was Re: Nice

[jon hall]

HP systems are great, we have a couple dozen HP LPR's and they are
absolutely great, but overpriced systems. We have switched to Intel
rackmounts, same systems without some of the perks of the HP systems,
for a couple thousand less, and they are black :)
We just got an Intel dual P4 Xeon today...first time I've seen a
hyperthreading system.

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Tuesday, September 10, 2002, 2:14:37 PM, you wrote:
JE Build your own development box.. i dont trust whats in DELL or Gateway ... 
JE and wouldnt even consider HP.

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Flash Easter Egg was RE: Nice

[Chad Gray]

Has everyone seen the Flash MX easter egg?  6 games pop up.

Help  About

Click under the black X in MX and the egg will pop up.

Fun games to!  :)



 -Original Message-
 From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
 Sent: Tuesday, September 10, 2002 12:56 PM
 To: CF-Talk
 Subject: Re: Nice
 
 Well, I don't know what's up with your settings then because that's
all it
 is... it's a flash movie that scrolls up the list of names of
developers
 that was on the CFMX team.  There's nothing complicated here unless
it's
 using Flash Remoting.
 
 ~Todd
 
 
 On Tue, 10 Sep 2002, Dick Applebaum wrote:
 
  Todd
 
  I doubt that Flash Remoting is the problem -- Christian Cantrell
gave a
  Flash Remotiing presentation to a Recent FlashForward entirely on a
Mac
  (Server and Client).  Christian is co-authoring a book on the
subjace
  with Mike Chambers... Christian tells me he does all his development
on
  a Mac.
 
  I do take offense.  The reason I asked is that most of the
participants
  of this list will help others even on topics of no immediate value
to
  themselves.
 
  Dick
 
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Re: Developer Platform suggestions was Re: Nice

[Dick Applebaum]

Matt

You make it sound like I can sell my Mac stuff, buy equivalent wintel  
come out $ ahead??

Should I expect to get win2K or win XP included in the price of a 
laptop?

Do you find MySQL deficiencies (transaction, stored procedures, etc), 
force recoding or dumbing-down of your db interface?

What's the 3rd party enterprise manager?  How much?

Wouldn't PostgreSQL be closer to a (normal) deployment db?

Wouldn't MDSE allow you develop code closer to that which will 
(usually) be deployed?

I don't see Oracle as a standard development db, other than for testing 
before final deployment.

Since I won't have baggage, I probably can avoid back versions of CF 
and IDE tools (Studio).  All my clients are deployed on CF 5.

I think that JEdit will be my choice for an editor.

Lots of good info

thanks

Dick



On Tuesday, September 10, 2002, at 12:42 PM, Matt Robertson wrote:

 I personally have stuck with Win2k and have been very pleased.  I run 
 three dev boxes.  Two desktops and one laptop.  One desktop runs 
 Apache and the others are IIS.

 I primarily develop in mySQL/win.  Its dirt-simple to use, free, 
 resource-light, has a great enterprise mgr (3rd party) and is what I 
 use in production.  I recode as needed (usually only db create and 
 alter templates) for Oracle, MS SQL and Access.

 One dev box with 1gb of RAM has mySQL, MSDE (SQL Server) and Oracle 9i 
 running, all at the same time, w/about 400 mb ram unused at bootup.  
 The key to this is boatloads of RAM.  Oracle is the big hog in this 
 regard.

 All machines also run cf 4.5 and cfmx (port 8500) concurrently.  I use 
 Studio 4.5.  I'll bet you can still get a copy cheap on ebay.

 My laptop runs mySQL and MSDE only.  Thats all I need for road warrior 
 stuff.

 My desktops are - get this - P II 400's maybe 2 yrs old, built to 
 spec.  With a lot of ram and disk space thats fine for dev work, 
 although MX's sloth is changing that opinion.  The laptop is one of 
 those teeny 3lb, 1'' thick Sonys with a 12'' scrn.  When I travel I 
 like it light.  Cost me $1100 on a closeout at CDW last November.


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