[cfaussie] Re: CFCAMP Australia Is GO
No worries, I'll add them into other cities shortly. - I've sent a few emails off to some other possible 3r Party sponsors whom we use at Microsoft for our events that maybe of a interest here. I'm thinking that at the moment the agendas are looking a bit wish/washy, so if one and call can start to firm that up it would help in terms of spelling out potential ROI (Return On Investment) for potential sponsors of the event. - I've also sent emails / phone calls to folks within the Microsoft community, to see if i can entice some of them to come in and present on some of the topics below, specifically around SQL (performance tuning and so on). I'll add them to the respective speaker slots over the course of the week. - I've raided our stock cabinet and looking to give some software away as prizes on the day, so more details on that as they follow. I also spoke to Steve a bit ago, and I'll repeat what I told him. I'm looking to secure the above for all cities that CFCAMP is on. Perth maybe a bit harder given the location, but i'm happy to re-visit the Perth crowd (ie jump on a plane). I'll also try and be at all cities and maybe Bartab (if i can get my boss to agree to it). Sadly it won't be like WebDU bartab ($5k+ isn't in my personal expense budget heh) but i'll make it spread where i can. I'm looking now for ROI (Return On Investment) pieces to the conversation (this is to get my peeps within Microsoft to cut a cheque aswell as onsell the idea to other sponsors), so maybe if all can put down their RSVP so we can all guage numbers for not only catering but onsell(s). I'm open to anything you want me to present on, I am your puppet..feel free to throw more ideas in the arena and i'll chase up subject matter experts in it. (I'll be at Web On The Piste - NZ Tommorow, so if any on this list are attending, grab me and we can chat further about it if you like) On 8/20/07, Andrew Scott <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > Scott, > > > > My interests would be the following. > > > > · .Net + CF8 ( Although a seasoned .Net developer) I am sure > others would benefit from this as well. > > · Windows 2008 Sneak Peak (Any chances of getting a beta copy for > work?) > > · Silverlight + Coldfusion, I am going to be looking at this in > depth the next few months. > > > > And not so much, but would like to see more on > > > > · CF8 + IIS7.0 / Windows Workflow Foundation > > > > > > > > Andrew Scott > Senior Coldfusion Developer > Aegeon Pty. Ltd. > www.aegeon.com.au > Phone: +613 8676 4223 > Mobile: 0404 998 273 > > > > > > *From:* cfaussie@googlegroups.com [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] *On > Behalf Of *Scott Barnes > *Sent:* Monday, 20 August 2007 1:36 PM > *To:* cfaussie@googlegroups.com > *Subject:* [cfaussie] Re: CFCAMP Australia Is GO > > > > Anywhoo... given Microsoft + Adobe are both in the room one can assume its > going to be a great event with lots of variety heh. > > > > Question to one and all: What would you like me to bring to the table, > that is of interest. I'm an open book and can ring-in some experts in some > of our products + services if you'd like (each city). > > > > Some initial thoughts are: > >- .NET + CF8 working together. >- Top 10 Advanced SQL (SQL 2008 or 2005) Things to Know? (I could >probably entice our MVP's in this space?) >- Windows 2008 (Web Server) sneak peak? >- Silverlight + Coldfusion (Fusing the Light) >- CF8 + IIS 7.0 / Windows Workflow Foundation? >- Windows Live.com <http://live.com/> SDK's + CF8 (Web Live Id SDK >for example) >- Maps + CF8 ? > > FYI: We sponsored CFUNITED and got some positive remarks from the > community around that, so i'm happy to continue that flow if you'd like.. > basically the floors open, hit me with what you want and i'll rally around > it and organise for you. > > > > --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "cfaussie" group. To post to this group, send email to cfaussie@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/cfaussie?hl=en -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
[cfaussie] Re: CFCAMP Australia Is GO
Scott, My interests would be the following. . .Net + CF8 ( Although a seasoned .Net developer) I am sure others would benefit from this as well. . Windows 2008 Sneak Peak (Any chances of getting a beta copy for work?) . Silverlight + Coldfusion, I am going to be looking at this in depth the next few months. And not so much, but would like to see more on . CF8 + IIS7.0 / Windows Workflow Foundation Andrew Scott Senior Coldfusion Developer Aegeon Pty. Ltd. www.aegeon.com.au Phone: +613 8676 4223 Mobile: 0404 998 273 From: cfaussie@googlegroups.com [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Scott Barnes Sent: Monday, 20 August 2007 1:36 PM To: cfaussie@googlegroups.com Subject: [cfaussie] Re: CFCAMP Australia Is GO Anywhoo... given Microsoft + Adobe are both in the room one can assume its going to be a great event with lots of variety heh. Question to one and all: What would you like me to bring to the table, that is of interest. I'm an open book and can ring-in some experts in some of our products + services if you'd like (each city). Some initial thoughts are: * .NET + CF8 working together. * Top 10 Advanced SQL (SQL 2008 or 2005) Things to Know? (I could probably entice our MVP's in this space?) * Windows 2008 (Web Server) sneak peak? * Silverlight + Coldfusion (Fusing the Light) * CF8 + IIS 7.0 / Windows Workflow Foundation? * Windows Live.com SDK's + CF8 (Web Live Id SDK for example) * Maps + CF8 ? FYI: We sponsored CFUNITED and got some positive remarks from the community around that, so i'm happy to continue that flow if you'd like.. basically the floors open, hit me with what you want and i'll rally around it and organise for you. --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "cfaussie" group. To post to this group, send email to cfaussie@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/cfaussie?hl=en -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
[cfaussie] Re: CFCAMP Australia Is GO
I have added it to the Perth wiki page http://cfcamp.pbwiki.com/Perth-%3A%3A-Expression-of-Interest as one session - maybe I should break it up. I will see what feedback / interest I get... On 8/20/07, Barry Beattie <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > > Question to one and all: What would you like me to bring to the table > > how do we register a preference/interest? a reply here or voting on > the CFCAMP wiki for each city? > > > .NET + CF8 working together. > > yes please. > - how to call custom custom .NET DLL's (to access objects created C# > f'instance - custom objects containing data, objects used for > calculation/data manip, etc) > - how to call and use objects that are part of the .NET framework > (Eg: how to get CF to use the .NET Framework Extensions for Exchange > 2007) > - datatype conversions between .NET and CF datatypes, limitations of, etc. > > eh just my 2c > barry.b > > > > --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "cfaussie" group. To post to this group, send email to cfaussie@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/cfaussie?hl=en -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
[cfaussie] Re: CFCAMP Australia Is GO
> Question to one and all: What would you like me to bring to the table how do we register a preference/interest? a reply here or voting on the CFCAMP wiki for each city? > .NET + CF8 working together. yes please. - how to call custom custom .NET DLL's (to access objects created C# f'instance - custom objects containing data, objects used for calculation/data manip, etc) - how to call and use objects that are part of the .NET framework (Eg: how to get CF to use the .NET Framework Extensions for Exchange 2007) - datatype conversions between .NET and CF datatypes, limitations of, etc. eh just my 2c barry.b --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "cfaussie" group. To post to this group, send email to cfaussie@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/cfaussie?hl=en -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
[cfaussie] Re: CFCAMP Australia Is GO
Anywhoo... given Microsoft + Adobe are both in the room one can assume its going to be a great event with lots of variety heh. Question to one and all: What would you like me to bring to the table, that is of interest. I'm an open book and can ring-in some experts in some of our products + services if you'd like (each city). Some initial thoughts are: - .NET + CF8 working together. - Top 10 Advanced SQL (SQL 2008 or 2005) Things to Know? (I could probably entice our MVP's in this space?) - Windows 2008 (Web Server) sneak peak? - Silverlight + Coldfusion (Fusing the Light) - CF8 + IIS 7.0 / Windows Workflow Foundation? - Windows Live.com SDK's + CF8 (Web Live Id SDK for example) - Maps + CF8 ? FYI: We sponsored CFUNITED and got some positive remarks from the community around that, so i'm happy to continue that flow if you'd like.. basically the floors open, hit me with what you want and i'll rally around it and organise for you. On 8/19/07, Gary Barber <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > Geoff Bowers wrote: > > On Aug 18, 12:43 pm, Gary Barber <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > >> Have people considered if its a "camp" style event of doing it on a > >> weekend, as you normally do. This is so you get maximum attendance, > get > >> to use educational facilities in some cases etc. During the working > >> week may work for a roadshow. not a "camp" > >> > > Given that Australia has had so very few BarCamps in its history, I'd > > humbly suggest that there is nothing "normal" about it. It might > > surprise you to know that my experience is that people involved in > > ColdFusion are even less likely to give up their weekend to attend an > > event than they are their weekday. > > > Okay we have not had ten or so BarCamps. But we have had > >* BarCampAdelaide >* BarCampMelbourne >* BarCampSydney, (now organising BarCamp 2) >* BarCampPerth > > Some of these have been successful , some not so. > > This isn't taking into account the Rails and .Net and PHP/OS Camps etc. > > This type of event tends to work well if you leverage the entire web > community or at least promote it to a wide audience interested in > ColdFusion. I suppose its just a question of numbers. > > Adobe has generously offered to support and provide a venue for three > > events. Are you suggesting we should tell them their offer is > > unwelcome? Or should we get behind them and do something as a > > community? > > > I'm not knocking Adobe's support of such an event. Just questioning why > the requirement to make it mid week. > > -- geoff > > http://www.daemon.com.au/ > > > Gary Barber > > > > -- Regards, Scott Barnes http://www.mossyblog.com --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "cfaussie" group. To post to this group, send email to cfaussie@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/cfaussie?hl=en -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
[cfaussie] Re: CFCAMP Australia Is GO
Geoff Bowers wrote: > On Aug 18, 12:43 pm, Gary Barber <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > >> Have people considered if its a "camp" style event of doing it on a >> weekend, as you normally do. This is so you get maximum attendance, get >> to use educational facilities in some cases etc. During the working >> week may work for a roadshow. not a "camp" >> > Given that Australia has had so very few BarCamps in its history, I'd > humbly suggest that there is nothing "normal" about it. It might > surprise you to know that my experience is that people involved in > ColdFusion are even less likely to give up their weekend to attend an > event than they are their weekday. > Okay we have not had ten or so BarCamps. But we have had * BarCampAdelaide * BarCampMelbourne * BarCampSydney, (now organising BarCamp 2) * BarCampPerth Some of these have been successful , some not so. This isn't taking into account the Rails and .Net and PHP/OS Camps etc. This type of event tends to work well if you leverage the entire web community or at least promote it to a wide audience interested in ColdFusion. I suppose its just a question of numbers. > Adobe has generously offered to support and provide a venue for three > events. Are you suggesting we should tell them their offer is > unwelcome? Or should we get behind them and do something as a > community? > I'm not knocking Adobe's support of such an event. Just questioning why the requirement to make it mid week. > -- geoff > http://www.daemon.com.au/ > Gary Barber --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "cfaussie" group. To post to this group, send email to cfaussie@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/cfaussie?hl=en -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
[cfaussie] Re: CFCAMP Australia Is GO
Geoff Bowers wrote: > On Aug 17, 6:39 pm, Gary Barber <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > >> General comment on CFCAMP >> >> I would be very uncomfortable with Abode hijacking a unconference for >> their own agenda.. >> >> If you want a roadshow that you just turn up to don't call is CFcamp >> as in reality you are not holding a "camp" event. >> >> Presently it "appears" that this is building to be a pueudo-roadshow. >> that people are called a cfcamp aka coldfusion barcamp. >> > > Well to be blunt.. you would be wrong. > > Well I'm glad, on the surface, from the communication I had read it does not appear so. But now you have clarified the point. Which is good. >> Having been involved with barcamps in the past, this is NOT the way to >> do it in terms of letting the bigger boys in the arena dominate. >> > > The "CAMPs" you have turned up to in the past have no doubt been based > on generic web technology. This is a CAMP for a specific commercial > product produced by Adobe. Of course we could see representation from > Blue Dragon, Railo and Smith but seeing as none of these entities have > any local representation that is unlikely. But all would be welcome. > > It is hard to imagine that ColdFusion will not dominate in a CAMP > about ColdFusion. Or are you talking about Adobe dominating the > talks? I think it has already been mentioned in several threads that > Adobe would be happiest if the presenters were all from the community, > but offer their skill and expertise where needed. > > I welcome ColdFusion dominating the talks. That is what we all want. What I personally don't want is a complete dominance by Adobe. And yes Adobe have now clarified this matter. However only to the people reading CFaussie not the CFcamp Wiki. The communication must be streamline on all media to be effective. As stated later I expect Adobe will be present but not in extreme force like you would expect at a ColdfFusion Conference. > As a ColdFusion fan I *expect* to see Adobe at this event. If they > were not I'd be very disappointed. > >> You can have Adobe coming along, they can present. But if you do it as >> a tradition camp unconference you have to remember its about. no >> egos. >> >> About each person doing a little bit and making the entire thing >> work. Adobe as as much right to be there as me or you. they are there >> as >> people not adobe reps. They may speak for Adobe, but only as much as >> anyone else can speak for their company/employer. But the idea is >> not >> to be all showy and keep the entire thing simple with the agenda >> decided on the day. >> >> It should be organised and presented by people locally. So any one can >> come along on equal standing. If they want to sponsor let them. If >> not thats good to. A "Camp" is the ultimate in lack of formal >> organisation. Great thing is they often really rock and work real >> real well. Trick is don't over organise it. >> > A camp is what you, the community, make of it. You want to enforce > formal rules based on the CAMPs you have attended. That is very un- > CAMP like. I suspect the trick, in a smaller more focused community is > not to "under organise it". Besides what makes you think these events > will not be well represented by local community members? > > In order to get a good number of people to these events it may pay to leverage into the main stream of the web community. There is nothing wrong with doing this. Its a win / win situation with people not generally exposed to ColdFusion getting an ideal opportunity to explore it in depth. >> You would also be blind to ignore Perth considering the activity of >> late in the Web Industry. >> > > But I thought this was a CAMP? Surely Perth doesn't need the Adobe > Roadshow to organise their lack of organisation? Or are we just > twisting words to raise spectres where none exist? If you don't like > the way things are being un-organised, then get involved with the > organisation ;) That's right, if Perth whats to organise an event independently, it will. > We do not have the community population or culture to follow the > format of BarCamp as is amply evidenced by the current lack of input > on the CFCAMP wiki. We are playing this by ear. We are endeavrouing > to make it work for *our* community. > This may mainly be due to the fact that it appears that the proposals have only been distributed within the ColdFusion community. > Please, get involved or don't but enough with the negativity. > This is not being negative, I just wanted clarification the format and type of event that is being presented. And whether it was a tradition "camp" structure. For one this discussion has highlighted and educated people on what a "camp" traditionally pertains too. Which overall can be good. Gary Barber --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "cf
[cfaussie] Re: CFCAMP Australia Is GO
On Aug 18, 12:43 pm, Gary Barber <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Have people considered if its a "camp" style event of doing it on a > weekend, as you normally do. This is so you get maximum attendance, get > to use educational facilities in some cases etc. During the working > week may work for a roadshow. not a "camp" Given that Australia has had so very few BarCamps in its history, I'd humbly suggest that there is nothing "normal" about it. It might surprise you to know that my experience is that people involved in ColdFusion are even less likely to give up their weekend to attend an event than they are their weekday. Adobe has generously offered to support and provide a venue for three events. Are you suggesting we should tell them their offer is unwelcome? Or should we get behind them and do something as a community? -- geoff http://www.daemon.com.au/ --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "cfaussie" group. To post to this group, send email to cfaussie@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/cfaussie?hl=en -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
[cfaussie] Re: CFCAMP Australia Is GO
On Aug 17, 6:39 pm, Gary Barber <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > General comment on CFCAMP > > I would be very uncomfortable with Abode hijacking a unconference for > their own agenda.. > > If you want a roadshow that you just turn up to don't call is CFcamp > as in reality you are not holding a "camp" event. > > Presently it "appears" that this is building to be a pueudo-roadshow. > that people are called a cfcamp aka coldfusion barcamp. Well to be blunt.. you would be wrong. > Having been involved with barcamps in the past, this is NOT the way to > do it in terms of letting the bigger boys in the arena dominate. The "CAMPs" you have turned up to in the past have no doubt been based on generic web technology. This is a CAMP for a specific commercial product produced by Adobe. Of course we could see representation from Blue Dragon, Railo and Smith but seeing as none of these entities have any local representation that is unlikely. But all would be welcome. It is hard to imagine that ColdFusion will not dominate in a CAMP about ColdFusion. Or are you talking about Adobe dominating the talks? I think it has already been mentioned in several threads that Adobe would be happiest if the presenters were all from the community, but offer their skill and expertise where needed. As a ColdFusion fan I *expect* to see Adobe at this event. If they were not I'd be very disappointed. > You can have Adobe coming along, they can present. But if you do it as > a tradition camp unconference you have to remember its about. no > egos. > > About each person doing a little bit and making the entire thing > work. Adobe as as much right to be there as me or you. they are there > as > people not adobe reps. They may speak for Adobe, but only as much as > anyone else can speak for their company/employer. But the idea is > not > to be all showy and keep the entire thing simple with the agenda > decided on the day. > > It should be organised and presented by people locally. So any one can > come along on equal standing. If they want to sponsor let them. If > not thats good to. A "Camp" is the ultimate in lack of formal > organisation. Great thing is they often really rock and work real > real well. Trick is don't over organise it. A camp is what you, the community, make of it. You want to enforce formal rules based on the CAMPs you have attended. That is very un- CAMP like. I suspect the trick, in a smaller more focused community is not to "under organise it". Besides what makes you think these events will not be well represented by local community members? > You would also be blind to ignore Perth considering the activity of > late in the Web Industry. But I thought this was a CAMP? Surely Perth doesn't need the Adobe Roadshow to organise their lack of organisation? Or are we just twisting words to raise spectres where none exist? If you don't like the way things are being un-organised, then get involved with the organisation ;) We do not have the community population or culture to follow the format of BarCamp as is amply evidenced by the current lack of input on the CFCAMP wiki. We are playing this by ear. We are endeavrouing to make it work for *our* community. Please, get involved or don't but enough with the negativity. -- geoff SELF-PROCLAIMED CFCAMP ORGANISER http:/www.daemon.com.au/ --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "cfaussie" group. To post to this group, send email to cfaussie@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/cfaussie?hl=en -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
[cfaussie] Re: CFCAMP Australia Is GO
i knew that... On 8/18/07, Scott Barnes <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > :P just kidding though dude :) > > On 8/18/07, Andrew Scott <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > Scott your too funny... > > > > > > > > On 8/18/07, Scott Barnes <[EMAIL PROTECTED] > wrote: > > > > > You two chill.. don't make me bring out Andrew Scott to finish this > > > thread off :) hehehe. > > > > > > I take Gary's point, if you are looking to sell the CFCAMP to CFAUSSIE > > > ? then well.. controlled brand kept in tact. If you're looking to entice > > > other communities (PHP, ASP, ROR etc) then the CAMP concept means > > > different > > > things to whats being pitched. That being said, nothing appears to be set > > > in > > > stone yet so a comprimise can surely be had :) > > > > > > Let's not argue, let's look to producing a kickyarse event that puts > > > CF on the map? > > > > > > > > > On 8/18/07, Gary Barber <[EMAIL PROTECTED] > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > Steve Onnis wrote: > > > > > Gary its just a name for god sake. > > > > > > > > > > What would you prefer? "CFDAYSPA"? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > " > > > > > CFDAYSPA > > > > > = > > > > > An experience that will restore balance and leave a lasting sense > > > > of calm > > > > > and wellbeing. Stimulate your senses with this rejuvenating > > > > therapy, which > > > > > includes Coldfusion 8, a hint of FLEX and some soothing TRANSFORM > > > > to ease > > > > > your mind and align your mind, body and development to become a > > > > single > > > > > entity. Designed to rebalance tired and stressed online > > > > applications, the > > > > > mind is treated with powerful active and potent presenters, > > > > essential > > > > > information and wonderful ambience to heal, smooth and restore > > > > vitality. > > > > > Caring for all the zone therapy areas - the hands, finders, head > > > > and mind, > > > > > CFDAYSPA not only recharges the body, but give a new lease on web > > > > > development and rekindles passion for the web. > > > > > " > > > > > > > > > > Hows that for you Gary? > > > > > > > > > > Steve > > > > > > > > > Yes it's just a name! However branding is everything. If you are > > > > promoting an event the name is critical. If you brand it as a > > > > "camp" > > > > and don't deliver a camp format aren't you: > > > > > > > > 1) sullying the expectations of the people on the edges of the > > > > coldfusion community that are attending expecting a Camp style > > > > event. > > > > 2) weakening the branding and marketing of the "camp" style events. > > > > 3) showing that coldfusion people just don't understand what is > > > > happening in the web industry. And I know this is wrong, but you > > > > don't > > > > want to do it. > > > > > > > > Take another view point if you called it CF roadshow of CF > > > > conference > > > > and didn't deliver it those formats you would question why wouldn't > > > > you. If you brought a software application that was labeled as > > > > "Great > > > > Project Management software" and it was just a single task list you > > > > would an annoyed. Same concept. > > > > > > > > If you want to really attract people beyond the usual crowd then you > > > > really have to promote the event beyond the usual Coldfusion > > > > community. > > > > You have to involve the web industry at large, this way you you > > > > will > > > > get a range of topics with a solid core of CF related topics. > > > > > > > > Don't want a "Camp" style event, just hand it over to adobe, and sit > > > > back. > > > > > > > > I am hoping the coldfusion community can standup and show the rest > > > > of > > > > Web Industry that it is alive and well beyond the usual
[cfaussie] Re: CFCAMP Australia Is GO
:P just kidding though dude :) On 8/18/07, Andrew Scott <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > Scott your too funny... > > > > On 8/18/07, Scott Barnes <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > > You two chill.. don't make me bring out Andrew Scott to finish this > > thread off :) hehehe. > > > > I take Gary's point, if you are looking to sell the CFCAMP to CFAUSSIE ? > > then well.. controlled brand kept in tact. If you're looking to entice other > > communities (PHP, ASP, ROR etc) then the CAMP concept means different things > > to whats being pitched. That being said, nothing appears to be set in stone > > yet so a comprimise can surely be had :) > > > > Let's not argue, let's look to producing a kickyarse event that puts CF > > on the map? > > > > > > On 8/18/07, Gary Barber <[EMAIL PROTECTED] > wrote: > > > > > > > > > Steve Onnis wrote: > > > > Gary its just a name for god sake. > > > > > > > > What would you prefer? "CFDAYSPA"? > > > > > > > > > > > > " > > > > CFDAYSPA > > > > = > > > > An experience that will restore balance and leave a lasting sense of > > > calm > > > > and wellbeing. Stimulate your senses with this rejuvenating therapy, > > > which > > > > includes Coldfusion 8, a hint of FLEX and some soothing TRANSFORM to > > > ease > > > > your mind and align your mind, body and development to become a > > > single > > > > entity. Designed to rebalance tired and stressed online > > > applications, the > > > > mind is treated with powerful active and potent presenters, > > > essential > > > > information and wonderful ambience to heal, smooth and restore > > > vitality. > > > > Caring for all the zone therapy areas - the hands, finders, head and > > > mind, > > > > CFDAYSPA not only recharges the body, but give a new lease on web > > > > development and rekindles passion for the web. > > > > " > > > > > > > > Hows that for you Gary? > > > > > > > > Steve > > > > > > > Yes it's just a name! However branding is everything. If you are > > > promoting an event the name is critical. If you brand it as a "camp" > > > and don't deliver a camp format aren't you: > > > > > > 1) sullying the expectations of the people on the edges of the > > > coldfusion community that are attending expecting a Camp style event. > > > 2) weakening the branding and marketing of the "camp" style events. > > > 3) showing that coldfusion people just don't understand what is > > > happening in the web industry. And I know this is wrong, but you don't > > > > > > want to do it. > > > > > > Take another view point if you called it CF roadshow of CF conference > > > and didn't deliver it those formats you would question why wouldn't > > > you. If you brought a software application that was labeled as > > > "Great > > > Project Management software" and it was just a single task list you > > > would an annoyed. Same concept. > > > > > > If you want to really attract people beyond the usual crowd then you > > > really have to promote the event beyond the usual Coldfusion > > > community. > > > You have to involve the web industry at large, this way you you will > > > get a range of topics with a solid core of CF related topics. > > > > > > Don't want a "Camp" style event, just hand it over to adobe, and sit > > > back. > > > > > > I am hoping the coldfusion community can standup and show the rest of > > > Web Industry that it is alive and well beyond the usual User Group > > > meetings. > > > > > > Gary Barber > > > > > > > -Original Message- > > > > From: cfaussie@googlegroups.com [mailto: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > > On Behalf > > > > Of Gary Barber > > > > Sent: Saturday, 18 August 2007 12:44 PM > > > > To: cfaussie@googlegroups.com > > > > Subject: [cfaussie] Re: CFCAMP Australia Is GO > > > > > > > > > > > > Mark Mandel wrote > > > > > > > > > > > >> Gary - what state are you in? > > > >> > > > >> >
[cfaussie] Re: CFCAMP Australia Is GO
Scott your too funny... On 8/18/07, Scott Barnes <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > You two chill.. don't make me bring out Andrew Scott to finish this thread > off :) hehehe. > > I take Gary's point, if you are looking to sell the CFCAMP to CFAUSSIE ? > then well.. controlled brand kept in tact. If you're looking to entice other > communities (PHP, ASP, ROR etc) then the CAMP concept means different things > to whats being pitched. That being said, nothing appears to be set in stone > yet so a comprimise can surely be had :) > > Let's not argue, let's look to producing a kickyarse event that puts CF on > the map? > > > On 8/18/07, Gary Barber <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > > > > Steve Onnis wrote: > > > Gary its just a name for god sake. > > > > > > What would you prefer? "CFDAYSPA"? > > > > > > > > > " > > > CFDAYSPA > > > = > > > An experience that will restore balance and leave a lasting sense of > > calm > > > and wellbeing. Stimulate your senses with this rejuvenating therapy, > > which > > > includes Coldfusion 8, a hint of FLEX and some soothing TRANSFORM to > > ease > > > your mind and align your mind, body and development to become a single > > > entity. Designed to rebalance tired and stressed online applications, > > the > > > mind is treated with powerful active and potent presenters, essential > > > information and wonderful ambience to heal, smooth and restore > > vitality. > > > Caring for all the zone therapy areas - the hands, finders, head and > > mind, > > > CFDAYSPA not only recharges the body, but give a new lease on web > > > development and rekindles passion for the web. > > > " > > > > > > Hows that for you Gary? > > > > > > Steve > > > > > Yes it's just a name! However branding is everything. If you are > > promoting an event the name is critical. If you brand it as a "camp" > > and don't deliver a camp format aren't you: > > > > 1) sullying the expectations of the people on the edges of the > > coldfusion community that are attending expecting a Camp style event. > > 2) weakening the branding and marketing of the "camp" style events. > > 3) showing that coldfusion people just don't understand what is > > happening in the web industry. And I know this is wrong, but you don't > > want to do it. > > > > Take another view point if you called it CF roadshow of CF conference > > and didn't deliver it those formats you would question why wouldn't > > you. If you brought a software application that was labeled as "Great > > Project Management software" and it was just a single task list you > > would an annoyed. Same concept. > > > > If you want to really attract people beyond the usual crowd then you > > really have to promote the event beyond the usual Coldfusion community. > > You have to involve the web industry at large, this way you you will > > get a range of topics with a solid core of CF related topics. > > > > Don't want a "Camp" style event, just hand it over to adobe, and sit > > back. > > > > I am hoping the coldfusion community can standup and show the rest of > > Web Industry that it is alive and well beyond the usual User Group > > meetings. > > > > Gary Barber > > > > > -Original Message- > > > From: cfaussie@googlegroups.com [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On > > Behalf > > > Of Gary Barber > > > Sent: Saturday, 18 August 2007 12:44 PM > > > To: cfaussie@googlegroups.com > > > Subject: [cfaussie] Re: CFCAMP Australia Is GO > > > > > > > > > Mark Mandel wrote > > > > > > > > >> Gary - what state are you in? > > >> > > >> > > >> > > > Have people considered if its a "camp" style event of doing it on a > > weekend, > > > as you normally do. This is so you get maximum attendance, get to use > > > educational facilities in some cases etc. During the working week may > > work > > > for a roadshow. not a "camp" > > > > > > I'm in Perth. > > > > > > Gary Barber > > > > > >> On 8/18/07, Barry Beattie <[EMAIL PROTECTED] > wrote: > > >> > > >> > > >>>> You're being negative Barry :) stop it :) >
[cfaussie] Re: CFCAMP Australia Is GO
You two chill.. don't make me bring out Andrew Scott to finish this thread off :) hehehe. I take Gary's point, if you are looking to sell the CFCAMP to CFAUSSIE ? then well.. controlled brand kept in tact. If you're looking to entice other communities (PHP, ASP, ROR etc) then the CAMP concept means different things to whats being pitched. That being said, nothing appears to be set in stone yet so a comprimise can surely be had :) Let's not argue, let's look to producing a kickyarse event that puts CF on the map? On 8/18/07, Gary Barber <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > Steve Onnis wrote: > > Gary its just a name for god sake. > > > > What would you prefer? "CFDAYSPA"? > > > > > > " > > CFDAYSPA > > = > > An experience that will restore balance and leave a lasting sense of > calm > > and wellbeing. Stimulate your senses with this rejuvenating therapy, > which > > includes Coldfusion 8, a hint of FLEX and some soothing TRANSFORM to > ease > > your mind and align your mind, body and development to become a single > > entity. Designed to rebalance tired and stressed online applications, > the > > mind is treated with powerful active and potent presenters, essential > > information and wonderful ambience to heal, smooth and restore vitality. > > Caring for all the zone therapy areas - the hands, finders, head and > mind, > > CFDAYSPA not only recharges the body, but give a new lease on web > > development and rekindles passion for the web. > > " > > > > Hows that for you Gary? > > > > Steve > > > Yes it's just a name! However branding is everything. If you are > promoting an event the name is critical. If you brand it as a "camp" > and don't deliver a camp format aren't you: > > 1) sullying the expectations of the people on the edges of the > coldfusion community that are attending expecting a Camp style event. > 2) weakening the branding and marketing of the "camp" style events. > 3) showing that coldfusion people just don't understand what is > happening in the web industry. And I know this is wrong, but you don't > want to do it. > > Take another view point if you called it CF roadshow of CF conference > and didn't deliver it those formats you would question why wouldn't > you. If you brought a software application that was labeled as "Great > Project Management software" and it was just a single task list you > would an annoyed. Same concept. > > If you want to really attract people beyond the usual crowd then you > really have to promote the event beyond the usual Coldfusion community. > You have to involve the web industry at large, this way you you will > get a range of topics with a solid core of CF related topics. > > Don't want a "Camp" style event, just hand it over to adobe, and sit back. > > I am hoping the coldfusion community can standup and show the rest of > Web Industry that it is alive and well beyond the usual User Group > meetings. > > Gary Barber > > > -Original Message- > > From: cfaussie@googlegroups.com [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On > Behalf > > Of Gary Barber > > Sent: Saturday, 18 August 2007 12:44 PM > > To: cfaussie@googlegroups.com > > Subject: [cfaussie] Re: CFCAMP Australia Is GO > > > > > > Mark Mandel wrote > > > > > >> Gary - what state are you in? > >> > >> > >> > > Have people considered if its a "camp" style event of doing it on a > weekend, > > as you normally do. This is so you get maximum attendance, get to use > > educational facilities in some cases etc. During the working week may > work > > for a roadshow. not a "camp" > > > > I'm in Perth. > > > > Gary Barber > > > >> On 8/18/07, Barry Beattie <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > >> > >> > >>>> You're being negative Barry :) stop it :) > >>>> > >>>> > >>> nah, I'm not, you're reading it wrong. I'm being a bit realistic, > >>> sure and a bit disappointed the Queensland representation is thin so > >>> far > >>> > >>> > >>> > >>>> The question overall though for everyone whom wants to attend is > >>>> simple: > >>>> "What do you want to get out of it?" > >>>> > >>>> > >>> 100% agreement there. > >>> > >>> It's the same for any communit
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Steve Onnis wrote: > Gary its just a name for god sake. > > What would you prefer? "CFDAYSPA"? > > > " > CFDAYSPA > = > An experience that will restore balance and leave a lasting sense of calm > and wellbeing. Stimulate your senses with this rejuvenating therapy, which > includes Coldfusion 8, a hint of FLEX and some soothing TRANSFORM to ease > your mind and align your mind, body and development to become a single > entity. Designed to rebalance tired and stressed online applications, the > mind is treated with powerful active and potent presenters, essential > information and wonderful ambience to heal, smooth and restore vitality. > Caring for all the zone therapy areas - the hands, finders, head and mind, > CFDAYSPA not only recharges the body, but give a new lease on web > development and rekindles passion for the web. > " > > Hows that for you Gary? > > Steve > Yes it's just a name! However branding is everything. If you are promoting an event the name is critical. If you brand it as a "camp" and don't deliver a camp format aren't you: 1) sullying the expectations of the people on the edges of the coldfusion community that are attending expecting a Camp style event. 2) weakening the branding and marketing of the "camp" style events. 3) showing that coldfusion people just don't understand what is happening in the web industry. And I know this is wrong, but you don't want to do it. Take another view point if you called it CF roadshow of CF conference and didn't deliver it those formats you would question why wouldn't you. If you brought a software application that was labeled as "Great Project Management software" and it was just a single task list you would an annoyed. Same concept. If you want to really attract people beyond the usual crowd then you really have to promote the event beyond the usual Coldfusion community. You have to involve the web industry at large, this way you you will get a range of topics with a solid core of CF related topics. Don't want a "Camp" style event, just hand it over to adobe, and sit back. I am hoping the coldfusion community can standup and show the rest of Web Industry that it is alive and well beyond the usual User Group meetings. Gary Barber > -Original Message- > From: cfaussie@googlegroups.com [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf > Of Gary Barber > Sent: Saturday, 18 August 2007 12:44 PM > To: cfaussie@googlegroups.com > Subject: [cfaussie] Re: CFCAMP Australia Is GO > > > Mark Mandel wrote > > >> Gary - what state are you in? >> >> >> > Have people considered if its a "camp" style event of doing it on a weekend, > as you normally do. This is so you get maximum attendance, get to use > educational facilities in some cases etc. During the working week may work > for a roadshow. not a "camp" > > I'm in Perth. > > Gary Barber > >> On 8/18/07, Barry Beattie <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: >> >> >>>> You're being negative Barry :) stop it :) >>>> >>>> >>> nah, I'm not, you're reading it wrong. I'm being a bit realistic, >>> sure and a bit disappointed the Queensland representation is thin so >>> far >>> >>> >>> >>>> The question overall though for everyone whom wants to attend is >>>> simple: >>>> "What do you want to get out of it?" >>>> >>>> >>> 100% agreement there. >>> >>> It's the same for any community involvement, including Adobe user >>> groups, the kids school's P&C, your local soccer club committee, etc. >>> For example the people putting on user groups are really just >>> facilitators to allow a community to have a focus. Smooth the wheels >>> to keep the doors open and people coming back - people are very >>> welcomed to contribute and even drive the agenda. No one owns the >>> community, the trick is to "have a go". Life be in it, rah rah. >>> >>> >>> >>>> Anywho, I'd opt for a more Community interactive experience instead >>>> of people talking at you vs with you :) >>>> >>>> >>> who cares what it's called? the wiki is there for people to put their >>> hand up. Heck, if my presso gets bumped because a bunch of people >>> start overflowing up the agenda and I'm an old stallwart, I'm cool >>> with that. >>> >>> the trick, as I said, is to have a go. >>> >>> >>> >> >> > > > > > > > > > --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "cfaussie" group. To post to this group, send email to cfaussie@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/cfaussie?hl=en -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
[cfaussie] Re: CFCAMP Australia Is GO
Gary its just a name for god sake. What would you prefer? "CFDAYSPA"? " CFDAYSPA = An experience that will restore balance and leave a lasting sense of calm and wellbeing. Stimulate your senses with this rejuvenating therapy, which includes Coldfusion 8, a hint of FLEX and some soothing TRANSFORM to ease your mind and align your mind, body and development to become a single entity. Designed to rebalance tired and stressed online applications, the mind is treated with powerful active and potent presenters, essential information and wonderful ambience to heal, smooth and restore vitality. Caring for all the zone therapy areas - the hands, finders, head and mind, CFDAYSPA not only recharges the body, but give a new lease on web development and rekindles passion for the web. " Hows that for you Gary? Steve -Original Message- From: cfaussie@googlegroups.com [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Gary Barber Sent: Saturday, 18 August 2007 12:44 PM To: cfaussie@googlegroups.com Subject: [cfaussie] Re: CFCAMP Australia Is GO Mark Mandel wrote > Gary - what state are you in? > > Have people considered if its a "camp" style event of doing it on a weekend, as you normally do. This is so you get maximum attendance, get to use educational facilities in some cases etc. During the working week may work for a roadshow. not a "camp" I'm in Perth. Gary Barber > On 8/18/07, Barry Beattie <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > >>> You're being negative Barry :) stop it :) >>> >> nah, I'm not, you're reading it wrong. I'm being a bit realistic, >> sure and a bit disappointed the Queensland representation is thin so >> far >> >> >>> The question overall though for everyone whom wants to attend is >>> simple: >>> "What do you want to get out of it?" >>> >> 100% agreement there. >> >> It's the same for any community involvement, including Adobe user >> groups, the kids school's P&C, your local soccer club committee, etc. >> For example the people putting on user groups are really just >> facilitators to allow a community to have a focus. Smooth the wheels >> to keep the doors open and people coming back - people are very >> welcomed to contribute and even drive the agenda. No one owns the >> community, the trick is to "have a go". Life be in it, rah rah. >> >> >>> Anywho, I'd opt for a more Community interactive experience instead >>> of people talking at you vs with you :) >>> >> who cares what it's called? the wiki is there for people to put their >> hand up. Heck, if my presso gets bumped because a bunch of people >> start overflowing up the agenda and I'm an old stallwart, I'm cool >> with that. >> >> the trick, as I said, is to have a go. >> >> > > > --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "cfaussie" group. To post to this group, send email to cfaussie@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/cfaussie?hl=en -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
[cfaussie] Re: CFCAMP Australia Is GO
Mark Mandel wrote > Gary - what state are you in? > > Have people considered if its a "camp" style event of doing it on a weekend, as you normally do. This is so you get maximum attendance, get to use educational facilities in some cases etc. During the working week may work for a roadshow. not a "camp" I'm in Perth. Gary Barber > On 8/18/07, Barry Beattie <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > >>> You're being negative Barry :) stop it :) >>> >> nah, I'm not, you're reading it wrong. I'm being a bit realistic, sure >> and a bit disappointed the >> Queensland representation is thin so far >> >> >>> The question overall though for everyone whom wants to attend is >>> simple: >>> "What do you want to get out of it?" >>> >> 100% agreement there. >> >> It's the same for any community involvement, including Adobe user >> groups, the kids school's P&C, your local soccer club committee, etc. >> For example the people putting on user groups are really just >> facilitators to allow a community to have a focus. Smooth the wheels >> to keep the doors open and people coming back - people are very >> welcomed to contribute and even drive the agenda. No one owns the >> community, the trick is to "have a go". Life be in it, rah rah. >> >> >>> Anywho, I'd opt for a more Community interactive experience instead of >>> people talking at you vs with you :) >>> >> who cares what it's called? the wiki is there for people to put their >> hand up. Heck, if my presso gets bumped because a bunch of people >> start overflowing up the agenda and I'm an old stallwart, I'm cool >> with that. >> >> the trick, as I said, is to have a go. >> >> > > > --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "cfaussie" group. To post to this group, send email to cfaussie@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/cfaussie?hl=en -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
[cfaussie] Re: CFCAMP Australia Is GO
So, not disagreeing with your realistic approach, but keep a positive mind that folks in the community are much smarter then you and i heh. Here's my take on initial random thoughts on CFCAMP. Objectives ~~ - Celebrate Coldfusion 8 and all new features associated with the Product. - Provide a deeper insight into the product through peers within the community. - Ensure there are a panel of experts for delegates to approach with queries regarding the products eco-system. - Promote and endorse a variety of conversations delegates can undertake with products and services surrounding Coldfusion 8. - Endorse and Educate delegates further on the benefits of how Coldfusion User Groups are worthwhile in attending Delegate Benefits ~~ - Access to key Adobe Staff to facilitate questions around such topics as (Licensing, Product features etc) - Access to key Industry Providers whom support and services Coldfusion 8 - A Gathering of like minded developers sharing industry learned experiences and contacts/networking hookups. - Schwag give-aways, to help influences others within the local region whom couldn't attend. - Career mentoring (ask peers about potential career paths and pro's/con's of choosing such). - etc.. Sponsorship Opportunities ~~ - Estimated number of delegates - Industry segments likely to attend. - Possible Press in certain regions (boost the notion CF exists outside Adobe Community) - A potential launch pad or advertisement for upcoming events (ie Web Directions South, WebDU etc) It's all about me ~~ I'm happy to attend, present and support in anyway I can. I also have a new daughter arriving on the 6th September so I have to kind of weigh that up obviously (sorry you guys picked bad timing). That being said, I've already approached some 3rd party sponsors around this event, and i'm obviously approaching some divisions within Microsoft to play a role (TechNet folks for example and so on). The downside is because this is currently being presented as an Adobe product launch it in turns mean I'm having a tougher time to beg for dollars (You can thank the anti-Microsoft behaviour for this from certain entities within corporations)) that being said, one can only ask. I'll be able to rockup with some schwag though, Microsoft software of some kind and I'll also try and get some SQL User Group leads or experts within our community to attend and present something on SQL as most of you here use products like this. I'd love to know what others would like to see from the Microsoft stack at this, as i can see about facilitating this (obviously ASP.NET won't be invited heheheh but do you need help or understanding around IIS7.0 and how it can play a role with Coldfusion and so on - especially with CF8 .NET connectivity). I'd ask that community leaders think about uniting the CFUG.org.au banner again, and use his as an opportunity to consolidate your approach. I'd also ask that community leaders also think outside the square a bit and approach some of your suppliers / providers and entice them to not only attend but sponsor so they can gain an appreciation of what this could do for all going further. Also approach folks within your workplace (no matter what walk of life they are from) and also via community forums outside of Adobe (ie Port80 has a fantastic community and there maybe folks in that forum not privvy to CFAUSSIE). Pushback the dates if you have to, but if you were all of you, i'd really make this a potential annual event and help one and all bring sexy back to Coldfusion. I think personally the community has been to fragmented for far to long and this would be a great opportunity to capitalize on the launch of the new iterations of Coldfusion but promote a more agnostic community spirited approach to a new Community. *hops down from his soapbox*... I'm taking resumes.. heheheh -- Regards, Scott Barnes http://www.visitmix.com/blogs/MossyBlog --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "cfaussie" group. To post to this group, send email to cfaussie@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/cfaussie?hl=en -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
[cfaussie] Re: CFCAMP Australia Is GO
All I'm getting out of this conversation is both Scott Barnes and Gary Barber are bringing presentations that they are willing to do to the event ;o) Since they both obviously care so much, I expect they are willing to put in the effort to talk to their peers and colleagues. Gary - what state are you in? Scott - I know you have the budget to fly around, shall I put you down for presenting in Melbourne? :oD Mark On 8/18/07, Barry Beattie <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > You're being negative Barry :) stop it :) > > nah, I'm not, you're reading it wrong. I'm being a bit realistic, sure > and a bit disappointed the > Queensland representation is thin so far > > > The question overall though for everyone whom wants to attend is > > simple: > > "What do you want to get out of it?" > > 100% agreement there. > > It's the same for any community involvement, including Adobe user > groups, the kids school's P&C, your local soccer club committee, etc. > For example the people putting on user groups are really just > facilitators to allow a community to have a focus. Smooth the wheels > to keep the doors open and people coming back - people are very > welcomed to contribute and even drive the agenda. No one owns the > community, the trick is to "have a go". Life be in it, rah rah. > > > Anywho, I'd opt for a more Community interactive experience instead of > > people talking at you vs with you :) > > who cares what it's called? the wiki is there for people to put their > hand up. Heck, if my presso gets bumped because a bunch of people > start overflowing up the agenda and I'm an old stallwart, I'm cool > with that. > > the trick, as I said, is to have a go. > > > > -- E: [EMAIL PROTECTED] W: www.compoundtheory.com --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "cfaussie" group. To post to this group, send email to cfaussie@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/cfaussie?hl=en -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
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> You're being negative Barry :) stop it :) nah, I'm not, you're reading it wrong. I'm being a bit realistic, sure and a bit disappointed the Queensland representation is thin so far > The question overall though for everyone whom wants to attend is > simple: > "What do you want to get out of it?" 100% agreement there. It's the same for any community involvement, including Adobe user groups, the kids school's P&C, your local soccer club committee, etc. For example the people putting on user groups are really just facilitators to allow a community to have a focus. Smooth the wheels to keep the doors open and people coming back - people are very welcomed to contribute and even drive the agenda. No one owns the community, the trick is to "have a go". Life be in it, rah rah. > Anywho, I'd opt for a more Community interactive experience instead of > people talking at you vs with you :) who cares what it's called? the wiki is there for people to put their hand up. Heck, if my presso gets bumped because a bunch of people start overflowing up the agenda and I'm an old stallwart, I'm cool with that. the trick, as I said, is to have a go. --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "cfaussie" group. To post to this group, send email to cfaussie@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/cfaussie?hl=en -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
[cfaussie] Re: CFCAMP Australia Is GO
is this what cfcamp is aiming for? http://www.barcamp.org/TheRulesOfBarCamp On 8/18/07, AJ Mercer <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > @Geoff, > > Can we please have a page on the cfcamp wiki outlining the format of the > event - like, is it based on the bar camp format? > http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/BarCamp > > Maybe also include what Adobe and Daemon are providing, and what is > required for hosts. > > And, for those not on the planned current tour, what things could / should > they be doing to get added to the tour. > > > I was not reading to much into the name, and hence history of camp events, > and was assuming it was a roadshow to promote ColdFusion 8 by Adobe. Other > maybe under the same assumption. > > Regards > Andrew Mercer > reading camp rules - heels and backless dress, hmmm I thing Google has > lead me astray ;-) > > > > > > On 8/18/07, Scott Barnes < [EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > > You're being negative Barry :) stop it :) > > > > You can go with a pre-ordained schedule, or you can go with a fluid > > approach or not. The question overall though for everyone whom wants to > > attend is simple: > > > > "What do you want to get out of it?" > > > > You have folks from all walks of life there, this would be the time to > > throw out the hard questions or even the easy questions. That or ask for a > > particular topic to be expanded on? > > > > "What does CF8 + .NET Really mean?" - Robin's going to do be pumping out > > a topic of this kind at Web On The Piste so maybe he could bring it back to > > CFCAMP and so on? :) > > > > I guess the missing piece is more the naming .. in that > > "BarCamp,PodCamp,RoRCamp" etc all follow a typical formula and what you're > > proposing is more of a mini-conference approach (not that isn't a bad idea). > > Yet this is kind of different to what Gary is stating on how other "CAMPS" > > run :) > > > > Branding and semantics I guess... > > > > Anywho, I'd opt for a more Community interactive experience instead of > > people talking at you vs with you :) > > > > > > On 8/18/07, Barry Beattie <[EMAIL PROTECTED] > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > Love the Perth crowd.. > > > > > > yeah, they rock. > > > > > > > Once that happens, you present but it's not so much a presentation > > > but more > > > > of a conversation, that all are invited in. Interact share the ideas > > > and > > > > build up from them and you may get your next session out of it and > > > so on... > > > > > > keep it free-form? like a bunch of muso's having a jam, or rather a > > > bunch of soloists being egged on the stage to have a bit of a blow and > > > entertain the rest? > > > > > > can I just float a presentation model that I've seen work really well? > > > seen on the OnAIR bus tour but not come across it much elsewhere in > > > Adobe circles ... the breakout. Someone with a specific issue corners > > > a specialist/presenter and says "I've got this problem" and they find > > > somewhere quiet with their laptops to work on it together where it's a > > > > > > true one-to-one to solve it and enlighten that person. Think "student > > > with personal tutor" to solve their specific issue. it usually > > > attracts a crowd so more than one person learns but the personal > > > attention on something very specific can be much more valuable for > > > that person standard presentations, and much more reason for them to > > > turn up. > > > > > > > keep it CF related but the best formula is to simply rock up on the > > > day > > > > armed with presentation you want to give. > > > > > > one dynamic that's could be being missed is the fact that people do > > > have day jobs... just today I got landed with a meeting in the morning > > > of the day. I'm the small fry joining my boss and his boss in it. > > > I can just imagine it now: "you want to reschedule the meeting for us > > > all? to go to ... what? What's this 'ColdFusion' thing - is it one of > > > our projects?" > > > > > > some people need buy-in to justify going Vs a day of lost > > > productivity. I can fully imagine some ppl driving over from work, > > > picking up a 2 hour carpark just for the sessions they really want to > > > see then bailing back to work. > > > > > > It'd be nice to drag the boss along too with the rest of the team and > > > make a day of it (one in the team gets pushed onto the stage by the > > > others to present - the home-town supporters go nuts to egg them on) - > > > but that's not going to work for everyone. > > > > > > I'm just having trouble visualising the role of local involvement > > > outside the regular CFUG structure. I fully realise that the local > > > user groups only represent a sub-section of the local developers (it'd > > > be heartening if it had more) so events like this are the perfect > > > opportunity for other locals to come out and add to the event. but > > > with three weeks to go local involvement is looking a bit thin... > > > > > > I've stuck my neck out for a presso (my second choice
[cfaussie] Re: CFCAMP Australia Is GO
@Geoff, Can we please have a page on the cfcamp wiki outlining the format of the event - like, is it based on the bar camp format? http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/BarCamp Maybe also include what Adobe and Daemon are providing, and what is required for hosts. And, for those not on the planned current tour, what things could / should they be doing to get added to the tour. I was not reading to much into the name, and hence history of camp events, and was assuming it was a roadshow to promote ColdFusion 8 by Adobe. Other maybe under the same assumption. Regards Andrew Mercer reading camp rules - heels and backless dress, hmmm I thing Google has lead me astray ;-) On 8/18/07, Scott Barnes <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > You're being negative Barry :) stop it :) > > You can go with a pre-ordained schedule, or you can go with a fluid > approach or not. The question overall though for everyone whom wants to > attend is simple: > > "What do you want to get out of it?" > > You have folks from all walks of life there, this would be the time to > throw out the hard questions or even the easy questions. That or ask for a > particular topic to be expanded on? > > "What does CF8 + .NET Really mean?" - Robin's going to do be pumping out a > topic of this kind at Web On The Piste so maybe he could bring it back to > CFCAMP and so on? :) > > I guess the missing piece is more the naming .. in that > "BarCamp,PodCamp,RoRCamp" etc all follow a typical formula and what you're > proposing is more of a mini-conference approach (not that isn't a bad idea). > Yet this is kind of different to what Gary is stating on how other "CAMPS" > run :) > > Branding and semantics I guess... > > Anywho, I'd opt for a more Community interactive experience instead of > people talking at you vs with you :) > > > On 8/18/07, Barry Beattie <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > > > > > Love the Perth crowd.. > > > > yeah, they rock. > > > > > Once that happens, you present but it's not so much a presentation but > > more > > > of a conversation, that all are invited in. Interact share the ideas > > and > > > build up from them and you may get your next session out of it and so > > on... > > > > keep it free-form? like a bunch of muso's having a jam, or rather a > > bunch of soloists being egged on the stage to have a bit of a blow and > > entertain the rest? > > > > can I just float a presentation model that I've seen work really well? > > seen on the OnAIR bus tour but not come across it much elsewhere in > > Adobe circles ... the breakout. Someone with a specific issue corners > > a specialist/presenter and says "I've got this problem" and they find > > somewhere quiet with their laptops to work on it together where it's a > > true one-to-one to solve it and enlighten that person. Think "student > > with personal tutor" to solve their specific issue. it usually > > attracts a crowd so more than one person learns but the personal > > attention on something very specific can be much more valuable for > > that person standard presentations, and much more reason for them to > > turn up. > > > > > keep it CF related but the best formula is to simply rock up on the > > day > > > armed with presentation you want to give. > > > > one dynamic that's could be being missed is the fact that people do > > have day jobs... just today I got landed with a meeting in the morning > > of the day. I'm the small fry joining my boss and his boss in it. > > I can just imagine it now: "you want to reschedule the meeting for us > > all? to go to ... what? What's this 'ColdFusion' thing - is it one of > > our projects?" > > > > some people need buy-in to justify going Vs a day of lost > > productivity. I can fully imagine some ppl driving over from work, > > picking up a 2 hour carpark just for the sessions they really want to > > see then bailing back to work. > > > > It'd be nice to drag the boss along too with the rest of the team and > > make a day of it (one in the team gets pushed onto the stage by the > > others to present - the home-town supporters go nuts to egg them on) - > > but that's not going to work for everyone. > > > > I'm just having trouble visualising the role of local involvement > > outside the regular CFUG structure. I fully realise that the local > > user groups only represent a sub-section of the local developers (it'd > > be heartening if it had more) so events like this are the perfect > > opportunity for other locals to come out and add to the event. but > > with three weeks to go local involvement is looking a bit thin... > > > > I've stuck my neck out for a presso (my second choice - the bastard > > that bagsey'ed my first choice better bloody-well commit 'cos it's too > > late for me to change now) so this event is a perfect opportunity for > > other locals to step up and shine and they don't have to be a regular > > CFUG'er to chip in. > > > > http://cfcamp.pbwiki.com/ > > > > eh my 2c > > > > > > > -- > Regards, > Scott Barnes > htt
[cfaussie] Re: CFCAMP Australia Is GO
You're being negative Barry :) stop it :) You can go with a pre-ordained schedule, or you can go with a fluid approach or not. The question overall though for everyone whom wants to attend is simple: "What do you want to get out of it?" You have folks from all walks of life there, this would be the time to throw out the hard questions or even the easy questions. That or ask for a particular topic to be expanded on? "What does CF8 + .NET Really mean?" - Robin's going to do be pumping out a topic of this kind at Web On The Piste so maybe he could bring it back to CFCAMP and so on? :) I guess the missing piece is more the naming .. in that "BarCamp,PodCamp,RoRCamp" etc all follow a typical formula and what you're proposing is more of a mini-conference approach (not that isn't a bad idea). Yet this is kind of different to what Gary is stating on how other "CAMPS" run :) Branding and semantics I guess... Anywho, I'd opt for a more Community interactive experience instead of people talking at you vs with you :) On 8/18/07, Barry Beattie <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > > Love the Perth crowd.. > > yeah, they rock. > > > Once that happens, you present but it's not so much a presentation but > more > > of a conversation, that all are invited in. Interact share the ideas and > > build up from them and you may get your next session out of it and so > on... > > keep it free-form? like a bunch of muso's having a jam, or rather a > bunch of soloists being egged on the stage to have a bit of a blow and > entertain the rest? > > can I just float a presentation model that I've seen work really well? > seen on the OnAIR bus tour but not come across it much elsewhere in > Adobe circles ... the breakout. Someone with a specific issue corners > a specialist/presenter and says "I've got this problem" and they find > somewhere quiet with their laptops to work on it together where it's a > true one-to-one to solve it and enlighten that person. Think "student > with personal tutor" to solve their specific issue. it usually > attracts a crowd so more than one person learns but the personal > attention on something very specific can be much more valuable for > that person standard presentations, and much more reason for them to > turn up. > > > keep it CF related but the best formula is to simply rock up on the day > > armed with presentation you want to give. > > one dynamic that's could be being missed is the fact that people do > have day jobs... just today I got landed with a meeting in the morning > of the day. I'm the small fry joining my boss and his boss in it. > I can just imagine it now: "you want to reschedule the meeting for us > all? to go to ... what? What's this 'ColdFusion' thing - is it one of > our projects?" > > some people need buy-in to justify going Vs a day of lost > productivity. I can fully imagine some ppl driving over from work, > picking up a 2 hour carpark just for the sessions they really want to > see then bailing back to work. > > It'd be nice to drag the boss along too with the rest of the team and > make a day of it (one in the team gets pushed onto the stage by the > others to present - the home-town supporters go nuts to egg them on) - > but that's not going to work for everyone. > > I'm just having trouble visualising the role of local involvement > outside the regular CFUG structure. I fully realise that the local > user groups only represent a sub-section of the local developers (it'd > be heartening if it had more) so events like this are the perfect > opportunity for other locals to come out and add to the event. but > with three weeks to go local involvement is looking a bit thin... > > I've stuck my neck out for a presso (my second choice - the bastard > that bagsey'ed my first choice better bloody-well commit 'cos it's too > late for me to change now) so this event is a perfect opportunity for > other locals to step up and shine and they don't have to be a regular > CFUG'er to chip in. > > http://cfcamp.pbwiki.com/ > > eh my 2c > > > > -- Regards, Scott Barnes http://www.mossyblog.com --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "cfaussie" group. To post to this group, send email to cfaussie@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/cfaussie?hl=en -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
[cfaussie] Re: CFCAMP Australia Is GO
> Love the Perth crowd.. yeah, they rock. > Once that happens, you present but it's not so much a presentation but more > of a conversation, that all are invited in. Interact share the ideas and > build up from them and you may get your next session out of it and so on... keep it free-form? like a bunch of muso's having a jam, or rather a bunch of soloists being egged on the stage to have a bit of a blow and entertain the rest? can I just float a presentation model that I've seen work really well? seen on the OnAIR bus tour but not come across it much elsewhere in Adobe circles ... the breakout. Someone with a specific issue corners a specialist/presenter and says "I've got this problem" and they find somewhere quiet with their laptops to work on it together where it's a true one-to-one to solve it and enlighten that person. Think "student with personal tutor" to solve their specific issue. it usually attracts a crowd so more than one person learns but the personal attention on something very specific can be much more valuable for that person standard presentations, and much more reason for them to turn up. > keep it CF related but the best formula is to simply rock up on the day > armed with presentation you want to give. one dynamic that's could be being missed is the fact that people do have day jobs... just today I got landed with a meeting in the morning of the day. I'm the small fry joining my boss and his boss in it. I can just imagine it now: "you want to reschedule the meeting for us all? to go to ... what? What's this 'ColdFusion' thing - is it one of our projects?" some people need buy-in to justify going Vs a day of lost productivity. I can fully imagine some ppl driving over from work, picking up a 2 hour carpark just for the sessions they really want to see then bailing back to work. It'd be nice to drag the boss along too with the rest of the team and make a day of it (one in the team gets pushed onto the stage by the others to present - the home-town supporters go nuts to egg them on) - but that's not going to work for everyone. I'm just having trouble visualising the role of local involvement outside the regular CFUG structure. I fully realise that the local user groups only represent a sub-section of the local developers (it'd be heartening if it had more) so events like this are the perfect opportunity for other locals to come out and add to the event. but with three weeks to go local involvement is looking a bit thin... I've stuck my neck out for a presso (my second choice - the bastard that bagsey'ed my first choice better bloody-well commit 'cos it's too late for me to change now) so this event is a perfect opportunity for other locals to step up and shine and they don't have to be a regular CFUG'er to chip in. http://cfcamp.pbwiki.com/ eh my 2c --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "cfaussie" group. To post to this group, send email to cfaussie@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/cfaussie?hl=en -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
[cfaussie] Re: CFCAMP Australia Is GO
Love the Perth crowd.. I get Gary's take and agree, i think you'll all get much better value at the camp approach vs structured presentation mode of operation. Being a bit of a Camp veteran (heh) as well, i can say the approach is more radical in that keep it CF related but the best formula is to simply rock up on the day armed with presentation you want to give. Fill the morning sessions (maybe first 2 first) and then based on the level of interest, types shown up and so on, you (yes the community members whom show) walk up the timetable and slap what you think could be relevant to folks on the day. Once that happens, you present but it's not so much a presentation but more of a conversation, that all are invited in. Interact share the ideas and build up from them and you may get your next session out of it and so on... p.s I think i got some schwag (software) to donate to the CFCAMP cause.. working on bartab(s) heh :) On 8/17/07, Gary Barber <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > General comment on CFCAMP > > I would be very uncomfortable with Abode hijacking a unconference for > their own agenda.. > > If you want a roadshow that you just turn up to don't call is CFcamp > as in reality you are not holding a "camp" event. > > Presently it "appears" that this is building to be a pueudo-roadshow. > that people are called a cfcamp aka coldfusion barcamp. > > Having been involved with barcamps in the past, this is NOT the way to > do it in terms of letting the bigger boys in the arena dominate. > > You can have Adobe coming along, they can present. But if you do it as > a tradition camp unconference you have to remember its about. no > egos. > About each person doing a little bit and making the entire thing > work. Adobe as as much right to be there as me or you. they are there > as > people not adobe reps. They may speak for Adobe, but only as much as > anyone else can speak for their company/employer. But the idea is > not > to be all showy and keep the entire thing simple with the agenda > decided on the day. > > It should be organised and presented by people locally. So any one can > come along on equal standing. If they want to sponsor let them. If > not thats good to. A "Camp" is the ultimate in lack of formal > organisation. Great thing is they often really rock and work real > real well. Trick is don't over organise it. > > You would also be blind to ignore Perth considering the activity of > late in the Web Industry. > > Gary Barber > > > > > -- Regards, Scott Barnes http://www.mossyblog.com --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "cfaussie" group. To post to this group, send email to cfaussie@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/cfaussie?hl=en -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
[cfaussie] Re: CFCAMP Australia Is GO
Gary I can assure you this is not the case here. I am pretty involved in this now and we are organising out own presenters and everything. -Original Message- From: cfaussie@googlegroups.com [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Gary Barber Sent: Friday, 17 August 2007 6:40 PM To: cfaussie Subject: [cfaussie] Re: CFCAMP Australia Is GO General comment on CFCAMP I would be very uncomfortable with Abode hijacking a unconference for their own agenda.. If you want a roadshow that you just turn up to don't call is CFcamp as in reality you are not holding a "camp" event. Presently it "appears" that this is building to be a pueudo-roadshow. that people are called a cfcamp aka coldfusion barcamp. Having been involved with barcamps in the past, this is NOT the way to do it in terms of letting the bigger boys in the arena dominate. You can have Adobe coming along, they can present. But if you do it as a tradition camp unconference you have to remember its about. no egos. About each person doing a little bit and making the entire thing work. Adobe as as much right to be there as me or you. they are there as people not adobe reps. They may speak for Adobe, but only as much as anyone else can speak for their company/employer. But the idea is not to be all showy and keep the entire thing simple with the agenda decided on the day. It should be organised and presented by people locally. So any one can come along on equal standing. If they want to sponsor let them. If not thats good to. A "Camp" is the ultimate in lack of formal organisation. Great thing is they often really rock and work real real well. Trick is don't over organise it. You would also be blind to ignore Perth considering the activity of late in the Web Industry. Gary Barber --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "cfaussie" group. To post to this group, send email to cfaussie@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/cfaussie?hl=en -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
[cfaussie] Re: CFCAMP Australia Is GO
General comment on CFCAMP I would be very uncomfortable with Abode hijacking a unconference for their own agenda.. If you want a roadshow that you just turn up to don't call is CFcamp as in reality you are not holding a "camp" event. Presently it "appears" that this is building to be a pueudo-roadshow. that people are called a cfcamp aka coldfusion barcamp. Having been involved with barcamps in the past, this is NOT the way to do it in terms of letting the bigger boys in the arena dominate. You can have Adobe coming along, they can present. But if you do it as a tradition camp unconference you have to remember its about. no egos. About each person doing a little bit and making the entire thing work. Adobe as as much right to be there as me or you. they are there as people not adobe reps. They may speak for Adobe, but only as much as anyone else can speak for their company/employer. But the idea is not to be all showy and keep the entire thing simple with the agenda decided on the day. It should be organised and presented by people locally. So any one can come along on equal standing. If they want to sponsor let them. If not thats good to. A "Camp" is the ultimate in lack of formal organisation. Great thing is they often really rock and work real real well. Trick is don't over organise it. You would also be blind to ignore Perth considering the activity of late in the Web Industry. Gary Barber --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "cfaussie" group. To post to this group, send email to cfaussie@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/cfaussie?hl=en -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
[cfaussie] Re: CFCAMP Australia Is GO
Hi Mark, I'd like to see this in Melbourne too. However, I can only offer help other than these. George On 14/08/07, Mark Mandel <[EMAIL PROTECTED] > wrote: > > > If either of you guys know where we can hold it, and/or anyone who > wishes to sponsor to pay for hall hire, please let me know. > > Regards, > > Mark > > On 8/14/07, Stephen M <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > > > > > > On Aug 14, 3:24 pm, "Paul Kukiel" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > I'd also definatly go if it was in Melbourne. > > > > define > > definite > > definitely > > > > http://www.d-e-f-i-n-i-t-e-l-y.com/ > > > > > > > > -Original Message- > > > From: cfaussie@googlegroups.com [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On > Behalf > > > > > > Of Dale Fraser > > > Sent: Monday, 13 August 2007 8:59 PM > > > To: cfaussie@googlegroups.com > > > Subject: [cfaussie] Re: CFCAMP Australia Is GO > > > > > > Geoff, > > > > > > That Sounds Really Good, > > > > > > What's the deal with Melbourne being skipped in these things. First > Mark > > > Blair the other night at the UG hook up said Adobe will tour, but no > > > Melbourne. Now this. > > > > > > Surely Melbourne would have more or just as much interest as Canberra. > > > > > > PS: The wiki does say to petition you. So anyone else who thinks > Melbourne > > > should get a stop, say so. > > > > > > Regards > > > Dale Fraser > > > > > > http://dalefraser.blogspot.com > > > > > > -Original Message- > > > From: cfaussie@googlegroups.com [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On > Behalf > > > Of Geoff Bowers > > > Sent: Monday, 13 August 2007 8:39 PM > > > To: cfaussie > > > Subject: [cfaussie] CFCAMP Australia Is GO > > > > > > Quick heads up for CFAUSSIE... more official marketing to follow. > > > > > > CFCAMP Australia is a free, mini-conference for coldfusion developers > > > by coldfusion developers. We're celebrating the release of Coldfusion > > > 8 -- and there is a lot to celebrate. > > > > > > Help us build the agenda for your city: > > > http://cfcamp.pbwiki.com/ > > > > > > Suggest your own sessions, petition existing sessions, help organise! > > > > > > Brisbane on the 11th of September at the Rydges > > > Canberra on the 12th of September at the UCU Conference Centre > > > Sydney on the 13th of September at the Wesley Centre > > > > > > Enjoy! > > > > > > -- geoffhttp://www.daemon.com.au/ > > > > > > > > > > > > -- > E: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > W: www.compoundtheory.com > > > > --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "cfaussie" group. To post to this group, send email to cfaussie@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/cfaussie?hl=en -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
[cfaussie] Re: CFCAMP Australia Is GO
"Be there or be a .NET developer".. Damn, and here I was going to contribute.. oh well, *takes his bar tab + CF integration with .NET Session and stomps back to his white tower of MSFT evil* :) On 8/13/07, Geoff Bowers <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > Quick heads up for CFAUSSIE... more official marketing to follow. > > CFCAMP Australia is a free, mini-conference for coldfusion developers > by coldfusion developers. We're celebrating the release of Coldfusion > 8 -- and there is a lot to celebrate. > > Help us build the agenda for your city: > http://cfcamp.pbwiki.com/ > > Suggest your own sessions, petition existing sessions, help organise! > > Brisbane on the 11th of September at the Rydges > Canberra on the 12th of September at the UCU Conference Centre > Sydney on the 13th of September at the Wesley Centre > > Enjoy! > > -- geoff > http://www.daemon.com.au/ > > > > > -- Regards, Scott Barnes http://www.mossyblog.com --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "cfaussie" group. To post to this group, send email to cfaussie@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/cfaussie?hl=en -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
[cfaussie] Re: CFCAMP Australia Is GO
On Aug 13, 8:58 pm, "Dale Fraser" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > PS: The wiki does say to petition you. So anyone else who thinks Melbourne > should get a stop, say so. The petition is supposed to mean, "add your name and/or view to the WIKI". Letting me know is great, but letting the community and its sponsors have a feel for how many people are happy to sign up their name is another :) -- geoff http://www.daemon.com.au/ --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "cfaussie" group. To post to this group, send email to cfaussie@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/cfaussie?hl=en -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
[cfaussie] Re: CFCAMP Australia Is GO
If either of you guys know where we can hold it, and/or anyone who wishes to sponsor to pay for hall hire, please let me know. Regards, Mark On 8/14/07, Stephen M <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > > On Aug 14, 3:24 pm, "Paul Kukiel" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > I'd also definatly go if it was in Melbourne. > > define > definite > definitely > > http://www.d-e-f-i-n-i-t-e-l-y.com/ > > > > > -Original Message- > > From: cfaussie@googlegroups.com [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf > > > > Of Dale Fraser > > Sent: Monday, 13 August 2007 8:59 PM > > To: cfaussie@googlegroups.com > > Subject: [cfaussie] Re: CFCAMP Australia Is GO > > > > Geoff, > > > > That Sounds Really Good, > > > > What's the deal with Melbourne being skipped in these things. First Mark > > Blair the other night at the UG hook up said Adobe will tour, but no > > Melbourne. Now this. > > > > Surely Melbourne would have more or just as much interest as Canberra. > > > > PS: The wiki does say to petition you. So anyone else who thinks Melbourne > > should get a stop, say so. > > > > Regards > > Dale Fraser > > > > http://dalefraser.blogspot.com > > > > -Original Message- > > From: cfaussie@googlegroups.com [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf > > Of Geoff Bowers > > Sent: Monday, 13 August 2007 8:39 PM > > To: cfaussie > > Subject: [cfaussie] CFCAMP Australia Is GO > > > > Quick heads up for CFAUSSIE... more official marketing to follow. > > > > CFCAMP Australia is a free, mini-conference for coldfusion developers > > by coldfusion developers. We're celebrating the release of Coldfusion > > 8 -- and there is a lot to celebrate. > > > > Help us build the agenda for your city: > > http://cfcamp.pbwiki.com/ > > > > Suggest your own sessions, petition existing sessions, help organise! > > > > Brisbane on the 11th of September at the Rydges > > Canberra on the 12th of September at the UCU Conference Centre > > Sydney on the 13th of September at the Wesley Centre > > > > Enjoy! > > > > -- geoffhttp://www.daemon.com.au/ > > > > > -- E: [EMAIL PROTECTED] W: www.compoundtheory.com --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "cfaussie" group. To post to this group, send email to cfaussie@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/cfaussie?hl=en -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
[cfaussie] Re: CFCAMP Australia Is GO
On Aug 14, 3:24 pm, "Paul Kukiel" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > I'd also definatly go if it was in Melbourne. define definite definitely http://www.d-e-f-i-n-i-t-e-l-y.com/ > > -Original Message- > From: cfaussie@googlegroups.com [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf > > Of Dale Fraser > Sent: Monday, 13 August 2007 8:59 PM > To: cfaussie@googlegroups.com > Subject: [cfaussie] Re: CFCAMP Australia Is GO > > Geoff, > > That Sounds Really Good, > > What's the deal with Melbourne being skipped in these things. First Mark > Blair the other night at the UG hook up said Adobe will tour, but no > Melbourne. Now this. > > Surely Melbourne would have more or just as much interest as Canberra. > > PS: The wiki does say to petition you. So anyone else who thinks Melbourne > should get a stop, say so. > > Regards > Dale Fraser > > http://dalefraser.blogspot.com > > -Original Message- > From: cfaussie@googlegroups.com [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf > Of Geoff Bowers > Sent: Monday, 13 August 2007 8:39 PM > To: cfaussie > Subject: [cfaussie] CFCAMP Australia Is GO > > Quick heads up for CFAUSSIE... more official marketing to follow. > > CFCAMP Australia is a free, mini-conference for coldfusion developers > by coldfusion developers. We're celebrating the release of Coldfusion > 8 -- and there is a lot to celebrate. > > Help us build the agenda for your city: > http://cfcamp.pbwiki.com/ > > Suggest your own sessions, petition existing sessions, help organise! > > Brisbane on the 11th of September at the Rydges > Canberra on the 12th of September at the UCU Conference Centre > Sydney on the 13th of September at the Wesley Centre > > Enjoy! > > -- geoffhttp://www.daemon.com.au/ --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "cfaussie" group. To post to this group, send email to cfaussie@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/cfaussie?hl=en -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
[cfaussie] Re: CFCAMP Australia Is GO
I'd also definatly go if it was in Melbourne. -Original Message- From: cfaussie@googlegroups.com [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Dale Fraser Sent: Monday, 13 August 2007 8:59 PM To: cfaussie@googlegroups.com Subject: [cfaussie] Re: CFCAMP Australia Is GO Geoff, That Sounds Really Good, What's the deal with Melbourne being skipped in these things. First Mark Blair the other night at the UG hook up said Adobe will tour, but no Melbourne. Now this. Surely Melbourne would have more or just as much interest as Canberra. PS: The wiki does say to petition you. So anyone else who thinks Melbourne should get a stop, say so. Regards Dale Fraser http://dalefraser.blogspot.com -Original Message- From: cfaussie@googlegroups.com [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Geoff Bowers Sent: Monday, 13 August 2007 8:39 PM To: cfaussie Subject: [cfaussie] CFCAMP Australia Is GO Quick heads up for CFAUSSIE... more official marketing to follow. CFCAMP Australia is a free, mini-conference for coldfusion developers by coldfusion developers. We're celebrating the release of Coldfusion 8 -- and there is a lot to celebrate. Help us build the agenda for your city: http://cfcamp.pbwiki.com/ Suggest your own sessions, petition existing sessions, help organise! Brisbane on the 11th of September at the Rydges Canberra on the 12th of September at the UCU Conference Centre Sydney on the 13th of September at the Wesley Centre Enjoy! -- geoff http://www.daemon.com.au/ --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "cfaussie" group. To post to this group, send email to cfaussie@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/cfaussie?hl=en -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
[cfaussie] Re: CFCAMP Australia Is GO
I just got an email from Adobe - CS3 road show and it is going to: Perth 11 Sept Melb 12 Sept Adl 13 Sept http://events.adobe.co.uk/events/cgi/event.cgi?eventid=5743&country=pa How is it that CS3 is going right around the country but CF8 isn't?? On 8/14/07, Dale Fraser <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > That won't be an issue as CFCAMP will make it to Melbourne :) > > Regards > Dale Fraser > > http://dalefraser.blogspot.com > > > > -Original Message- > From: cfaussie@googlegroups.com [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On > Behalf > Of Dazman > Sent: Tuesday, 14 August 2007 10:06 AM > To: cfaussie > Subject: [cfaussie] Re: CFCAMP Australia Is GO > > > I would like to add my signature to the Melbourne petition! > > Dale, > > If CFCamp doesn't make it to Melbourne, perhaps you could send your > staff to Sydney for some Professional Development ;) > > Darren > > On Aug 13, 8:58 pm, "Dale Fraser" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > Geoff, > > > > That Sounds Really Good, > > > > What's the deal with Melbourne being skipped in these things. First Mark > > Blair the other night at the UG hook up said Adobe will tour, but no > > Melbourne. Now this. > > > > Surely Melbourne would have more or just as much interest as Canberra. > > > > PS: The wiki does say to petition you. So anyone else who thinks > Melbourne > > should get a stop, say so. > > > > Regards > > Dale Fraser > > > > http://dalefraser.blogspot.com > > > > -Original Message- > > From: cfaussie@googlegroups.com [mailto:cfaussie@googlegroups.com ] On > Behalf > > > > Of Geoff Bowers > > Sent: Monday, 13 August 2007 8:39 PM > > To: cfaussie > > Subject: [cfaussie] CFCAMP Australia Is GO > > > > Quick heads up for CFAUSSIE... more official marketing to follow. > > > > CFCAMP Australia is a free, mini-conference for coldfusion developers > > by coldfusion developers. We're celebrating the release of Coldfusion > > 8 -- and there is a lot to celebrate. > > > > Help us build the agenda for your city: > > http://cfcamp.pbwiki.com/ > > > > Suggest your own sessions, petition existing sessions, help organise! > > > > Brisbane on the 11th of September at the Rydges > > Canberra on the 12th of September at the UCU Conference Centre > > Sydney on the 13th of September at the Wesley Centre > > > > Enjoy! > > > > -- geoffhttp://www.daemon.com.au/ > > > > > > --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "cfaussie" group. To post to this group, send email to cfaussie@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/cfaussie?hl=en -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
[cfaussie] Re: CFCAMP Australia Is GO
That won't be an issue as CFCAMP will make it to Melbourne :) Regards Dale Fraser http://dalefraser.blogspot.com -Original Message- From: cfaussie@googlegroups.com [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Dazman Sent: Tuesday, 14 August 2007 10:06 AM To: cfaussie Subject: [cfaussie] Re: CFCAMP Australia Is GO I would like to add my signature to the Melbourne petition! Dale, If CFCamp doesn't make it to Melbourne, perhaps you could send your staff to Sydney for some Professional Development ;) Darren On Aug 13, 8:58 pm, "Dale Fraser" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Geoff, > > That Sounds Really Good, > > What's the deal with Melbourne being skipped in these things. First Mark > Blair the other night at the UG hook up said Adobe will tour, but no > Melbourne. Now this. > > Surely Melbourne would have more or just as much interest as Canberra. > > PS: The wiki does say to petition you. So anyone else who thinks Melbourne > should get a stop, say so. > > Regards > Dale Fraser > > http://dalefraser.blogspot.com > > -Original Message- > From: cfaussie@googlegroups.com [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf > > Of Geoff Bowers > Sent: Monday, 13 August 2007 8:39 PM > To: cfaussie > Subject: [cfaussie] CFCAMP Australia Is GO > > Quick heads up for CFAUSSIE... more official marketing to follow. > > CFCAMP Australia is a free, mini-conference for coldfusion developers > by coldfusion developers. We're celebrating the release of Coldfusion > 8 -- and there is a lot to celebrate. > > Help us build the agenda for your city: > http://cfcamp.pbwiki.com/ > > Suggest your own sessions, petition existing sessions, help organise! > > Brisbane on the 11th of September at the Rydges > Canberra on the 12th of September at the UCU Conference Centre > Sydney on the 13th of September at the Wesley Centre > > Enjoy! > > -- geoffhttp://www.daemon.com.au/ --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "cfaussie" group. To post to this group, send email to cfaussie@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/cfaussie?hl=en -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
[cfaussie] Re: CFCAMP Australia Is GO
I would like to add my signature to the Melbourne petition! Dale, If CFCamp doesn't make it to Melbourne, perhaps you could send your staff to Sydney for some Professional Development ;) Darren On Aug 13, 8:58 pm, "Dale Fraser" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Geoff, > > That Sounds Really Good, > > What's the deal with Melbourne being skipped in these things. First Mark > Blair the other night at the UG hook up said Adobe will tour, but no > Melbourne. Now this. > > Surely Melbourne would have more or just as much interest as Canberra. > > PS: The wiki does say to petition you. So anyone else who thinks Melbourne > should get a stop, say so. > > Regards > Dale Fraser > > http://dalefraser.blogspot.com > > -Original Message- > From: cfaussie@googlegroups.com [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf > > Of Geoff Bowers > Sent: Monday, 13 August 2007 8:39 PM > To: cfaussie > Subject: [cfaussie] CFCAMP Australia Is GO > > Quick heads up for CFAUSSIE... more official marketing to follow. > > CFCAMP Australia is a free, mini-conference for coldfusion developers > by coldfusion developers. We're celebrating the release of Coldfusion > 8 -- and there is a lot to celebrate. > > Help us build the agenda for your city: > http://cfcamp.pbwiki.com/ > > Suggest your own sessions, petition existing sessions, help organise! > > Brisbane on the 11th of September at the Rydges > Canberra on the 12th of September at the UCU Conference Centre > Sydney on the 13th of September at the Wesley Centre > > Enjoy! > > -- geoffhttp://www.daemon.com.au/ --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "cfaussie" group. To post to this group, send email to cfaussie@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/cfaussie?hl=en -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
[cfaussie] Re: CFCAMP Australia Is GO
Geoff, I plan on rallying the troups a little to see if we can get a CFCAMP Melbourne - what's the best way to petition you? email? (I figured I would be nice, and ask first, before handing out your email address) Mark On 8/13/07, Geoff Bowers <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > Quick heads up for CFAUSSIE... more official marketing to follow. > > CFCAMP Australia is a free, mini-conference for coldfusion developers > by coldfusion developers. We're celebrating the release of Coldfusion > 8 -- and there is a lot to celebrate. > > Help us build the agenda for your city: > http://cfcamp.pbwiki.com/ > > Suggest your own sessions, petition existing sessions, help organise! > > Brisbane on the 11th of September at the Rydges > Canberra on the 12th of September at the UCU Conference Centre > Sydney on the 13th of September at the Wesley Centre > > Enjoy! > > -- geoff > http://www.daemon.com.au/ > > > > > -- E: [EMAIL PROTECTED] W: www.compoundtheory.com --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "cfaussie" group. To post to this group, send email to cfaussie@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/cfaussie?hl=en -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
[cfaussie] Re: CFCAMP Australia Is GO
CFCAMP.. Sounds like a new tag to make your requests slightly more gay? -Original Message- From: Geoff Bowers [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Monday, 13 August 2007 8:39 PM To: cfaussie Subject: [cfaussie] CFCAMP Australia Is GO Quick heads up for CFAUSSIE... more official marketing to follow. CFCAMP Australia is a free, mini-conference for coldfusion developers by coldfusion developers. We're celebrating the release of Coldfusion 8 -- and there is a lot to celebrate. Help us build the agenda for your city: http://cfcamp.pbwiki.com/ Suggest your own sessions, petition existing sessions, help organise! Brisbane on the 11th of September at the Rydges Canberra on the 12th of September at the UCU Conference Centre Sydney on the 13th of September at the Wesley Centre Enjoy! -- geoff http://www.daemon.com.au/ --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "cfaussie" group. To post to this group, send email to cfaussie@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/cfaussie?hl=en -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
[cfaussie] Re: CFCAMP Australia Is GO
Let me know if you want Adobe to drive the CFbus across the Nullarbor http://cfcamp.pbwiki.com/Perth+::+Expression+of+Interest Regards Andrew Mercer User Group Manager http://cfugwa.com On 8/13/07, Geoff Bowers <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > Quick heads up for CFAUSSIE... more official marketing to follow. > > CFCAMP Australia is a free, mini-conference for coldfusion developers > by coldfusion developers. We're celebrating the release of Coldfusion > 8 -- and there is a lot to celebrate. > > Help us build the agenda for your city: > http://cfcamp.pbwiki.com/ > > Suggest your own sessions, petition existing sessions, help organise! > > Brisbane on the 11th of September at the Rydges > Canberra on the 12th of September at the UCU Conference Centre > Sydney on the 13th of September at the Wesley Centre > > Enjoy! > > -- geoff > http://www.daemon.com.au/ > > > > > --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "cfaussie" group. To post to this group, send email to cfaussie@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/cfaussie?hl=en -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
[cfaussie] Re: CFCAMP Australia Is GO
Geoff, That Sounds Really Good, What's the deal with Melbourne being skipped in these things. First Mark Blair the other night at the UG hook up said Adobe will tour, but no Melbourne. Now this. Surely Melbourne would have more or just as much interest as Canberra. PS: The wiki does say to petition you. So anyone else who thinks Melbourne should get a stop, say so. Regards Dale Fraser http://dalefraser.blogspot.com -Original Message- From: cfaussie@googlegroups.com [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Geoff Bowers Sent: Monday, 13 August 2007 8:39 PM To: cfaussie Subject: [cfaussie] CFCAMP Australia Is GO Quick heads up for CFAUSSIE... more official marketing to follow. CFCAMP Australia is a free, mini-conference for coldfusion developers by coldfusion developers. We're celebrating the release of Coldfusion 8 -- and there is a lot to celebrate. Help us build the agenda for your city: http://cfcamp.pbwiki.com/ Suggest your own sessions, petition existing sessions, help organise! Brisbane on the 11th of September at the Rydges Canberra on the 12th of September at the UCU Conference Centre Sydney on the 13th of September at the Wesley Centre Enjoy! -- geoff http://www.daemon.com.au/ --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "cfaussie" group. To post to this group, send email to cfaussie@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/cfaussie?hl=en -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
