Re: Stus-List backing down under sail

[Russ & Melody via CnC-List]

Hi Rick

It is not uncommon to see pre-start backing down 
under sail at west coast "Grande Prix"  races 
(that is occasioning read locally as grand pricks 
races, sometimes for good measure :).


The primary reason around here is to ensure 
clearing seaweed from keel, etc. before the 
start. "Let's get off the best we can!"


Cheers, Russ
Sweet 35 mk-1

At 07:46 AM 28/08/2014, you wrote:
I back my 38 into her slip, so I've only sailed 
her into her slip one time - and that was bow 
first. Actually that was pretty easy since her 
slip was the last one on the pier.


I've never tried backing a sailboat under sail. 
I used to be totally awed when the big AC boats 
would come head to wind during a pre-start and 
back up for a boat length or two to gain a starting advantage.



You ought to be able to do it in a 30, but I'd 
not try it in anything larger. Too heavy and 
slow to accelerate to a speed where you have 
steerage and some lift from the keel. But it's 
sort of like getting to Carnegie Hall...Practice! Practice!


Rick Brass


On Aug 27, 2014, at 22:42, Marek Dziedzic via 
CnC-List <cnc-list@cnc-list.com> wrote:


In the olden days, when I was getting my 
skipper’s certificate, we had to do all the 
manoeuvres, including getting in and out of the 
slip, without the use of the engine (and then 
again using it). But that art is gone. Now, if 
I tried to dock under sail there would be a 
crowd with pitchforks awaiting me on the dock 
(possibly with some boiling tar and a few (Canada) gees on the side).


Marek

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Re: Stus-List docking stern first

[Chuck S via CnC-List]

I've owned the boat for 12 years and just started backing in this year. It is 
so easy, sorry I didn't start sooner. 

I enter my marina fairway in forward slowly so the throttle is set. I rig 
fenders on both sides to protect neighboring boats. I setup about four boat 
lengths from my slip, turn so the stern faces the slip and stop the boat with a 
short burst of reverse, and walk around to the front side of the helm so I am 
positioned best to steer backward, facing that direction. I use as little 
reverse thrust as possible but keep the boat moving backward, and shift into 
neutral for most of the maneuver. I leave the throttle alone and work only the 
shifter lever. The rudder steers very well with very small corrections of the 
wheel. The bow follows the keel. Once inside the outer piling, I shift into 
forward to slow and shift back to neutral and when the boat is well in, I shift 
to forward and throttle up, then shift to neutral, grab a spring line and shut 
it down. I keep guidelines rigged between dock and pilings on either side. 

I've had no bumps but a couple of close calls when crew pulled a line too hard 
and spun the boat. My crew acted to help and I blame myself that my 
instructions were inadequate. I now advise crew that the maneuver works best if 
the boat is kept centered in the slip and ask them to collect the bow lines 
from the piling as we enter but to keep them slack until we stop moving. I 
added colored tape to all my docklines so crew can cleat them when directed to 
the correct length. 

This seems better, but I'm always looking to improve. 


Chuck 
Resolute 
1990 C&C 34R 
Broad Creek, Magothy River, Md 

- Original Message -

From: "CNC boat owners, cnc-list"  
To: "Dennis C." , "CNC boat owners, cnc-list" 
 
Sent: Thursday, August 28, 2014 9:28:35 PM 
Subject: Re: Stus-List Now docking 

IMHO, the key to docking stern to is to have sufficiently sized 'cahunas' to 
get the boat moving in reverse relatively far from the slip. 

I almost always dock stern to and independent of wind, current, prop walk, 
blah, blah, blah...the key is to get going in reverse at least 10 boat lengths 
from your destination with whatever prop you use, whether it is offset, etc,. 

Once moving in reverse, the rudder takes over and the engine can be put in 
neutral (with occasional, and brief; drops into reverse to keep reasonable 
speed up so that the rudder maintains control). 

Facing aft with the wheel behind me, I can steer the boat like a car, since the 
rudder is like my front wheel underneath my feet, with occasional shifts into 
reverse to keep way on and the rudder steering working. 

Once into the slip as far as I need to be, a short burst of forward gear stops 
reverse motion and I and/or my crew can tie her up. 

QED. 

Charlie Nelson 
Water Phantom 
C&C 36 XL/kcb 


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Re: Stus-List Now docking

[Charles Nelson via CnC-List]

IMHO, the key to docking stern to is to have sufficiently sized 'cahunas' to 
get the boat moving in reverse relatively far from the slip. 

I almost always dock stern to and independent of wind, current, prop walk, 
blah, blah, blah...the key is to get going in reverse at least 10 boat lengths 
from your destination with whatever prop you use, whether it is offset, etc,.

Once moving in reverse, the rudder takes over and the engine can be put in 
neutral (with occasional, and brief; drops into reverse to keep reasonable 
speed up so that the rudder maintains control).

Facing aft with the wheel behind me, I can steer the boat like a car, since the 
rudder is like my front wheel underneath my feet, with occasional shifts into 
reverse to keep way on and the rudder steering working.

Once into the slip as far as I need to be, a short burst of forward gear stops 
reverse motion and I and/or my crew can tie her up.

QED.

Charlie Nelson
Water Phantom
C&C 36 XL/kcb


Sent from my iPad

> On Aug 28, 2014, at 4:32 PM, "Dennis C. via CnC-List"  
> wrote:
> 
> Don't you just hate it when you've got that "perfect" stern in docking 
> maneuver going and one of your crew thinks you're going to scrape a piling 
> and "fends off" by stopping the boat.  That sucks!  I usually try to remember 
> to tell crew not to fend off unless I ask and definitely don't stop me.  A 25 
> hp diesel can stop a boat's aft motion much quicker than a crew.
> 
> Dennis C.
> 
> 
>> On Thu, Aug 28, 2014 at 3:23 PM, Dennis C.  wrote:
>> Ditto.  (Of course it's probably just luck, the current or wind, magic or my 
>> imagination because conventional wisdom seems to say that Martecs have no 
>> reverse.)
>> 
>> Dennis C.
>> Touche' 35-1 #83
>> Mandeville, LA
>> 
>> 
>>> On Thu, Aug 28, 2014 at 10:11 AM, Rick Brass via CnC-List 
>>>  wrote:
>>> The trick to backing with a Martec folding prop is the throttle.
>>> 
>>> My Martec will stop my 15000 pound 38 from 2 or 3 knots in about a boat 
>>> length. Shift into reverse and boost the throttle to about half (1200 to 
>>> 1500 rpm in my case). The revs hold the blades open and she will stop as 
>>> well as she did with the 16x10 fixed prop.
>>> 
>>> I back into my slip. Going forward, approach from perpendicular to the slip 
>>> centerline and a couple of boat lengths off the outer piling. Turn out to 
>>> intersect the slip centerline, shift to reverse and throttle up. When the 
>>> boat has good stern way, shift to neutral and use the rudder and momentum 
>>> to back into the slip. A blip of power in forward to stop, and then scurry 
>>> forward to get the bow and forward spring line attached to the boat, then 
>>> slow reverse to hold the boat into the slip and use the prop walk to hold 
>>> her against the dock.
>>> 
>>> Heck, now that I think of it, the only time I have the boat in reverse at 
>>> idle is when I'm using the prop walk to bring the stern over to a pier or 
>>> to turn around in a tight fairway.
>>> 
>>> Rick Brass
>>> 
>>> Sent from my iPad
>>> 
 On Aug 28, 2014, at 10:17, Burt Stratton via CnC-List 
  wrote:
 
 Hell, It took me a few attempts at backing in under power to figure out 
 that my 2-blade folding Martec prop needs half an hour head start just to 
 stop my 1kt forward progress! Still trying to figure out how to account 
 for and use my prop-walk. If I have a good hand with me I will sail on and 
 off my mooring.
 
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Stus-List Engine Sound Insulation - Go Without an engine?

[Robert Boyer via CnC-List]

My boat didn't come with any sound insulation around the engine!  Since my 
engine compartment is not completely closed, I wouldn't think that adding it 
now would be very helpful.

Bob

Bob Boyer
S/V Rainy Days / Annapolis MD
1983 C&C Landfall 38 - Hull #230
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Re: Stus-List Was Engine Sound Insulation - Now docking

[Jake Brodersen via CnC-List]

Rick,

 

I use about 3,000 rpm to get the boat stopped and moving in reverse.  After 
that, I can use just a little bit of throttle to maintain my speed.  The 
transmission usually goes into idle long before I enter the slip (in reverse).

 

Jake

 

Jake Brodersen

“Midnight Mistress”

C&C 35 Mk-III

Hampton VA

 

 

 

From: CnC-List [mailto:cnc-list-boun...@cnc-list.com] On Behalf Of Rick Brass 
via CnC-List
Sent: Thursday, August 28, 2014 11:12 AM
To: Burt Stratton; cnc-list@cnc-list.com
Subject: Re: Stus-List Was Engine Sound Insulation - Now docking

 

The trick to backing with a Martec folding prop is the throttle.

 

My Martec will stop my 15000 pound 38 from 2 or 3 knots in about a boat length. 
Shift into reverse and boost the throttle to about half (1200 to 1500 rpm in my 
case). The revs hold the blades open and she will stop as well as she did with 
the 16x10 fixed prop.

 

I back into my slip. Going forward, approach from perpendicular to the slip 
centerline and a couple of boat lengths off the outer piling. Turn out to 
intersect the slip centerline, shift to reverse and throttle up. When the boat 
has good stern way, shift to neutral and use the rudder and momentum to back 
into the slip. A blip of power in forward to stop, and then scurry forward to 
get the bow and forward spring line attached to the boat, then slow reverse to 
hold the boat into the slip and use the prop walk to hold her against the dock.

 

Heck, now that I think of it, the only time I have the boat in reverse at idle 
is when I'm using the prop walk to bring the stern over to a pier or to turn 
around in a tight fairway.

 

Rick Brass

Sent from my iPad

 

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Re: Stus-List Engine Sound Insulation

[Josh Muckley via CnC-List]

I'm glad I did it on mine.  Then again new engine mounts and adjusting the
lifters could have helped too.  Noise still transmits aft under a hatch for
the shaft seal.  I've considered putting some insulation on it too.

Josh
On Aug 28, 2014 5:22 PM, "David via CnC-List"  wrote:

> Well I heard from one about the not-so-great results from installing
> engine sound insulation...anybody  else want to chime in with an opinion
> about whether it is worth it?
>
> David F. Risch
> 1981-402
> (401) 419-4650 (cell)
>
>
> > To: pauljba...@shaw.ca; cnc-list@cnc-list.com
> > Date: Thu, 28 Aug 2014 18:03:44 -0300
> > Subject: Re: Stus-List Engine Sound Insulation - Go Without an engine?
> Now docking
> > From: cnc-list@cnc-list.com
> >
> > You got it...i know that one because I had a 27 MKIII in the same sort of
> > dock arrangement
> >
> > Dwight Veinot
> > C&C 35MKII, Alianna
> > Head of St. Margaret's Bay, NS
> >
> > -Original Message-
> > From: CnC-List [mailto:cnc-list-boun...@cnc-list.com] On Behalf Of Paul
> > Baker via CnC-List
> > Sent: August 28, 2014 3:34 PM
> > To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com
> > Subject: Re: Stus-List Engine Sound Insulation - Go Without an engine?
> Now
> > docking
> >
> > Which is all well and good if your dock has a piling or some other way of
> > getting a midships springline onto it. My dock is a low, short finger,
> when
> > the boat is in the slip the stern is just about to the end of the finger
> so
> > no way to drop a springline over a dock cleat as I come in singlehanded.
> > I just have to wing it, drive in with enough way on to allow steerage,
> quick
> > blast of reverse to tuck the stern in and stop any forward motion(dock
> is to
> > port with reverse giving me a port walk), step off and throw the
> docklines
> > over my cleats like a hero. Usually. Gets more interesting with the
> > current and/or wind blowing you away from the dock of course, haven't got
> > that one nailed quite yet (first year with an inboard) but fortunately
> don't
> > have a boat in the adjoining slip so there is always a plan B, however
> > untidy it looks.
> > Cheers,
> > Paul
> >
> > Orange Crush
> > C&C27MkII
> > Sidney, BC.
> >
> >
> > - Original Message -
> > From: "Joe via CnC-List Della Barba" 
> > To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com
> > Sent: Thursday, August 28, 2014 10:57:15 AM
> > Subject: Re: Stus-List Engine Sound Insulation - Go Without an engine?
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > Key to difficult docking situations is a midships spring line. If you
> drop a
> > short spring on a piling you can run against it and snug up to the dock
> > under power either way and under sail going downwind.
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > Joe Della Barba
> >
> > Coquina
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Re: Stus-List C&C Ball Cap

[dwight via CnC-List]

Mine was getting pretty shabby looking.I switched to a Tilley, I like it

 

Dwight Veinot

C&C 35MKII, Alianna

Head of St. Margaret's Bay, NS

 

  _  

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Sent: August 28, 2014 7:37 PM
To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com
Subject: Stus-List C&C Ball Cap

 

Everytime I visit the C&C Photo Album website, I visit the online chandlery
and gaze longingly at the coveted C&C Ball Cap that is "temporarily" out of
stock. Oh, how lucky are those of you who posses such a fine headpiece! 

 

Will it ever be restocked? Please give me hope. 

  _  

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Re: Stus-List C&C Ball Cap

[Bill Bina via CnC-List]

  
  
I was just thinking the other day that
  mine is nearing retirement condition and could use replacement!
  
  Bill Bina
  
  On 8/28/2014 6:36 PM, RPH via CnC-List wrote:


  
  Everytime I visit the C&C Photo Album website, I visit the
  online chandlery and gaze longingly at the coveted C&C Ball
  Cap that is "temporarily" out of stock. Oh, how lucky are those of
  you who posses such a fine headpiece! 
  
  
  Will it ever be restocked? Please give me hope. 


  


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Stus-List C&C Ball Cap

[RPH via CnC-List]

Everytime I visit the C&C Photo Album website, I visit the online chandlery and 
gaze longingly at the coveted C&C Ball Cap that is "temporarily" out of stock. 
Oh, how lucky are those of you who posses such a fine headpiece! 

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Re: Stus-List Engine Sound Insulation

[Pete Shelquist via CnC-List]

Dave - 

I'll chime in.I did that job about 3 years ago and am glad I did.Note
that it's no silver bullet.   Martin's comment that "no one asks if the
diesel is running" is still accurate, but it's a lot better.   As I get
older the engine doesn't sound as bad as it used to, so I have that going
for me J  

 

It's really not that hard of a project and there's a lot less "dirt" in the
area in addition to the reduction in noise pollution.  

 

I figure it's like refrigeration.   You can live without it, but it's nice
to have.

 

Hope that helps.


Pete

 

 

 

From: CnC-List [mailto:cnc-list-boun...@cnc-list.com] On Behalf Of David via
CnC-List
Sent: Thursday, August 28, 2014 4:22 PM
To: CNC CNC
Subject: Re: Stus-List Engine Sound Insulation

 

Well I heard from one about the not-so-great results from installing engine
sound insulation...anybody  else want to chime in with an opinion about
whether it is worth it?

David F. Risch
1981-402
(401) 419-4650 (cell)



> To: pauljba...@shaw.ca; cnc-list@cnc-list.com
> Date: Thu, 28 Aug 2014 18:03:44 -0300
> Subject: Re: Stus-List Engine Sound Insulation - Go Without an engine? Now
docking
> From: cnc-list@cnc-list.com
> 
> You got it...i know that one because I had a 27 MKIII in the same sort of
> dock arrangement
> 
> Dwight Veinot
> C&C 35MKII, Alianna
> Head of St. Margaret's Bay, NS
> 
> -Original Message-
> From: CnC-List [mailto:cnc-list-boun...@cnc-list.com] On Behalf Of Paul
> Baker via CnC-List
> Sent: August 28, 2014 3:34 PM
> To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com
> Subject: Re: Stus-List Engine Sound Insulation - Go Without an engine? Now
> docking
> 
> Which is all well and good if your dock has a piling or some other way of
> getting a midships springline onto it. My dock is a low, short finger,
when
> the boat is in the slip the stern is just about to the end of the finger
so
> no way to drop a springline over a dock cleat as I come in singlehanded.
> I just have to wing it, drive in with enough way on to allow steerage,
quick
> blast of reverse to tuck the stern in and stop any forward motion(dock is
to
> port with reverse giving me a port walk), step off and throw the docklines
> over my cleats like a hero. Usually. Gets more interesting with the
> current and/or wind blowing you away from the dock of course, haven't got
> that one nailed quite yet (first year with an inboard) but fortunately
don't
> have a boat in the adjoining slip so there is always a plan B, however
> untidy it looks.
> Cheers,
> Paul
> 
> Orange Crush
> C&C27MkII
> Sidney, BC.
> 
> 
> - Original Message -
> From: "Joe via CnC-List Della Barba" 
> To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com
> Sent: Thursday, August 28, 2014 10:57:15 AM
> Subject: Re: Stus-List Engine Sound Insulation - Go Without an engine?
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> Key to difficult docking situations is a midships spring line. If you drop
a
> short spring on a piling you can run against it and snug up to the dock
> under power either way and under sail going downwind. 
> 
>   
> 
> 
> Joe Della Barba 
> 
> Coquina 
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Re: Stus-List Engine Sound Insulation

[Danny Haughey via CnC-List]

I have no sound proofing around my engine.  I do have the atomic 4 though and 
it is referred to as the quiet engine.  

In my opinion, and I have no experience with diesel, it's that I want to hear 
the engine when it is running even at idle, especially at idle...


From my Android phone

 Original message 
From: David via CnC-List  
Date: 08/28/2014  5:21 PM  (GMT-05:00) 
To: CNC CNC  
Subject: Re: Stus-List Engine Sound Insulation 
 
Well I heard from one about the not-so-great results from installing engine 
sound insulation...anybody  else want to chime in with an opinion about whether 
it is worth it?

David F. Risch
1981-402
(401) 419-4650 (cell)


> To: pauljba...@shaw.ca; cnc-list@cnc-list.com
> Date: Thu, 28 Aug 2014 18:03:44 -0300
> Subject: Re: Stus-List Engine Sound Insulation - Go Without an engine? Now
> docking
> From: cnc-list@cnc-list.com
> 
> You got it...i know that one because I had a 27 MKIII in the same sort of
> dock arrangement
> 
> Dwight Veinot
> C&C 35MKII, Alianna
> Head of St. Margaret's Bay, NS
> 
> -Original Message-
> From: CnC-List [mailto:cnc-list-boun...@cnc-list.com] On Behalf Of Paul
> Baker via CnC-List
> Sent: August 28, 2014 3:34 PM
> To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com
> Subject: Re: Stus-List Engine Sound Insulation - Go Without an engine? Now
> docking
> 
> Which is all well and good if your dock has a piling or some other way of
> getting a midships springline onto it. My dock is a low, short finger, when
> the boat is in the slip the stern is just about to the end of the finger so
> no way to drop a springline over a dock cleat as I come in singlehanded.
> I just have to wing it, drive in with enough way on to allow steerage, quick
> blast of reverse to tuck the stern in and stop any forward motion(dock is to
> port with reverse giving me a port walk), step off and throw the docklines
> over my cleats like a hero. Usually. Gets more interesting with the
> current and/or wind blowing you away from the dock of course, haven't got
> that one nailed quite yet (first year with an inboard) but fortunately don't
> have a boat in the adjoining slip so there is always a plan B, however
> untidy it looks.
> Cheers,
> Paul
> 
> Orange Crush
> C&C27MkII
> Sidney, BC.
> 
> 
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> 
> 
> 
> Key to difficult docking situations is a midships spring line. If you drop a
> short spring on a piling you can run against it and snug up to the dock
> under power either way and under sail going downwind. 
> 
>   
> 
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Re: Stus-List Engine Sound Insulation

[dwight via CnC-List]

Really it's a personal preference issue.if the engine noise bothers you or
someone important to you then try some sound insulation.if you need sound
insulation then I would suggest that maybe you are steaming too much.no such
problem under sail.anyway I hope you get my point about "personal
preference" knowing that anything you do might help but then maybe under
some conditions you may want to hear your engine purr. or not!  I like to
hear my diesel but I would not want the noise to be really bothersome to
anyone I cared about.Alianna's  Universal M4-30 is very quiet without any
added sound insulation

 

Dwight Veinot

C&C 35MKII, Alianna

Head of St. Margaret's Bay, NS

 

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Sent: August 28, 2014 6:22 PM
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Subject: Re: Stus-List Engine Sound Insulation

 

Well I heard from one about the not-so-great results from installing engine
sound insulation...anybody  else want to chime in with an opinion about
whether it is worth it?

David F. Risch
1981-402
(401) 419-4650 (cell)



> To: pauljba...@shaw.ca; cnc-list@cnc-list.com
> Date: Thu, 28 Aug 2014 18:03:44 -0300
> Subject: Re: Stus-List Engine Sound Insulation - Go Without an engine? Now
docking
> From: cnc-list@cnc-list.com
> 
> You got it...i know that one because I had a 27 MKIII in the same sort of
> dock arrangement
> 
> Dwight Veinot
> C&C 35MKII, Alianna
> Head of St. Margaret's Bay, NS
> 
> -Original Message-
> From: CnC-List [mailto:cnc-list-boun...@cnc-list.com] On Behalf Of Paul
> Baker via CnC-List
> Sent: August 28, 2014 3:34 PM
> To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com
> Subject: Re: Stus-List Engine Sound Insulation - Go Without an engine? Now
> docking
> 
> Which is all well and good if your dock has a piling or some other way of
> getting a midships springline onto it. My dock is a low, short finger,
when
> the boat is in the slip the stern is just about to the end of the finger
so
> no way to drop a springline over a dock cleat as I come in singlehanded.
> I just have to wing it, drive in with enough way on to allow steerage,
quick
> blast of reverse to tuck the stern in and stop any forward motion(dock is
to
> port with reverse giving me a port walk), step off and throw the docklines
> over my cleats like a hero. Usually. Gets more interesting with the
> current and/or wind blowing you away from the dock of course, haven't got
> that one nailed quite yet (first year with an inboard) but fortunately
don't
> have a boat in the adjoining slip so there is always a plan B, however
> untidy it looks.
> Cheers,
> Paul
> 
> Orange Crush
> C&C27MkII
> Sidney, BC.
> 
> 
> - Original Message -
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> To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com
> Sent: Thursday, August 28, 2014 10:57:15 AM
> Subject: Re: Stus-List Engine Sound Insulation - Go Without an engine?
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> Key to difficult docking situations is a midships spring line. If you drop
a
> short spring on a piling you can run against it and snug up to the dock
> under power either way and under sail going downwind. 
> 
>   
> 
> 
> Joe Della Barba 
> 
> Coquina 
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Re: Stus-List Engine Sound Insulation

[David via CnC-List]

Well I heard from one about the not-so-great results from installing engine 
sound insulation...anybody  else want to chime in with an opinion about whether 
it is worth it?

David F. Risch
1981-402
(401) 419-4650 (cell)


> To: pauljba...@shaw.ca; cnc-list@cnc-list.com
> Date: Thu, 28 Aug 2014 18:03:44 -0300
> Subject: Re: Stus-List Engine Sound Insulation - Go Without an engine? Now
> docking
> From: cnc-list@cnc-list.com
> 
> You got it...i know that one because I had a 27 MKIII in the same sort of
> dock arrangement
> 
> Dwight Veinot
> C&C 35MKII, Alianna
> Head of St. Margaret's Bay, NS
>  
> -Original Message-
> From: CnC-List [mailto:cnc-list-boun...@cnc-list.com] On Behalf Of Paul
> Baker via CnC-List
> Sent: August 28, 2014 3:34 PM
> To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com
> Subject: Re: Stus-List Engine Sound Insulation - Go Without an engine? Now
> docking
> 
> Which is all well and good if your dock has a piling or some other way of
> getting a midships springline onto it.  My dock is a low, short finger, when
> the boat is in the slip the stern is just about to the end of the finger so
> no way to drop a springline over a dock cleat as I come in singlehanded.
> I just have to wing it, drive in with enough way on to allow steerage, quick
> blast of reverse to tuck the stern in and stop any forward motion(dock is to
> port with reverse giving me a port walk), step off and throw the docklines
> over my cleats like a hero.  Usually.  Gets more interesting with the
> current and/or wind blowing you away from the dock of course, haven't got
> that one nailed quite yet (first year with an inboard) but fortunately don't
> have a boat in the adjoining slip so there is always a plan B, however
> untidy it looks.
> Cheers,
> Paul
> 
> Orange Crush
> C&C27MkII
> Sidney, BC.
> 
> 
> - Original Message -
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> To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com
> Sent: Thursday, August 28, 2014 10:57:15 AM
> Subject: Re: Stus-List Engine Sound Insulation - Go Without an engine?
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> Key to difficult docking situations is a midships spring line. If you drop a
> short spring on a piling you can run against it and snug up to the dock
> under power either way and under sail going downwind. 
> 
>   
> 
> 
> Joe Della Barba 
> 
> Coquina 
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Stus-List varnishing

[Bev Parslow via CnC-List]

A citron based paint remover was recommended paint removal for fibre glass. 
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Re: Stus-List Engine Sound Insulation - Go Without an engine? Now docking

[dwight via CnC-List]

You got it...i know that one because I had a 27 MKIII in the same sort of
dock arrangement

Dwight Veinot
C&C 35MKII, Alianna
Head of St. Margaret's Bay, NS
 
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Baker via CnC-List
Sent: August 28, 2014 3:34 PM
To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com
Subject: Re: Stus-List Engine Sound Insulation - Go Without an engine? Now
docking

Which is all well and good if your dock has a piling or some other way of
getting a midships springline onto it.  My dock is a low, short finger, when
the boat is in the slip the stern is just about to the end of the finger so
no way to drop a springline over a dock cleat as I come in singlehanded.
I just have to wing it, drive in with enough way on to allow steerage, quick
blast of reverse to tuck the stern in and stop any forward motion(dock is to
port with reverse giving me a port walk), step off and throw the docklines
over my cleats like a hero.  Usually.  Gets more interesting with the
current and/or wind blowing you away from the dock of course, haven't got
that one nailed quite yet (first year with an inboard) but fortunately don't
have a boat in the adjoining slip so there is always a plan B, however
untidy it looks.
Cheers,
Paul

Orange Crush
C&C27MkII
Sidney, BC.


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Key to difficult docking situations is a midships spring line. If you drop a
short spring on a piling you can run against it and snug up to the dock
under power either way and under sail going downwind. 

  


Joe Della Barba 

Coquina 
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Stus-List Now docking

[Dennis C. via CnC-List]

Don't you just hate it when you've got that "perfect" stern in docking
maneuver going and one of your crew thinks you're going to scrape a piling
and "fends off" by stopping the boat.  That sucks!  I usually try to
remember to tell crew not to fend off unless I ask and definitely don't
stop me.  A 25 hp diesel can stop a boat's aft motion much quicker than a
crew.

Dennis C.


On Thu, Aug 28, 2014 at 3:23 PM, Dennis C.  wrote:

> Ditto.  (Of course it's probably just luck, the current or wind, magic or
> my imagination because conventional wisdom seems to say that Martecs have
> no reverse.)
>
> Dennis C.
> Touche' 35-1 #83
> Mandeville, LA
>
>
> On Thu, Aug 28, 2014 at 10:11 AM, Rick Brass via CnC-List <
> cnc-list@cnc-list.com> wrote:
>
>> The trick to backing with a Martec folding prop is the throttle.
>>
>> My Martec will stop my 15000 pound 38 from 2 or 3 knots in about a boat
>> length. Shift into reverse and boost the throttle to about half (1200 to
>> 1500 rpm in my case). The revs hold the blades open and she will stop as
>> well as she did with the 16x10 fixed prop.
>>
>> I back into my slip. Going forward, approach from perpendicular to the
>> slip centerline and a couple of boat lengths off the outer piling. Turn out
>> to intersect the slip centerline, shift to reverse and throttle up. When
>> the boat has good stern way, shift to neutral and use the rudder and
>> momentum to back into the slip. A blip of power in forward to stop, and
>> then scurry forward to get the bow and forward spring line attached to the
>> boat, then slow reverse to hold the boat into the slip and use the prop
>> walk to hold her against the dock.
>>
>> Heck, now that I think of it, the only time I have the boat in reverse at
>> idle is when I'm using the prop walk to bring the stern over to a pier or
>> to turn around in a tight fairway.
>>
>> Rick Brass
>>
>> Sent from my iPad
>>
>> On Aug 28, 2014, at 10:17, Burt Stratton via CnC-List <
>> cnc-list@cnc-list.com> wrote:
>>
>> Hell, It took me a few attempts at backing in under power to figure out
>> that my 2-blade folding Martec prop needs half an hour head start just to
>> stop my 1kt forward progress! Still trying to figure out how to account for
>> and use my prop-walk. If I have a good hand with me I will sail on and off
>> my mooring.
>>
>>
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Re: Stus-List Was Engine Sound Insulation - Now docking

[Dennis C. via CnC-List]

Ditto.  (Of course it's probably just luck, the current or wind, magic or
my imagination because conventional wisdom seems to say that Martecs have
no reverse.)

Dennis C.
Touche' 35-1 #83
Mandeville, LA


On Thu, Aug 28, 2014 at 10:11 AM, Rick Brass via CnC-List <
cnc-list@cnc-list.com> wrote:

> The trick to backing with a Martec folding prop is the throttle.
>
> My Martec will stop my 15000 pound 38 from 2 or 3 knots in about a boat
> length. Shift into reverse and boost the throttle to about half (1200 to
> 1500 rpm in my case). The revs hold the blades open and she will stop as
> well as she did with the 16x10 fixed prop.
>
> I back into my slip. Going forward, approach from perpendicular to the
> slip centerline and a couple of boat lengths off the outer piling. Turn out
> to intersect the slip centerline, shift to reverse and throttle up. When
> the boat has good stern way, shift to neutral and use the rudder and
> momentum to back into the slip. A blip of power in forward to stop, and
> then scurry forward to get the bow and forward spring line attached to the
> boat, then slow reverse to hold the boat into the slip and use the prop
> walk to hold her against the dock.
>
> Heck, now that I think of it, the only time I have the boat in reverse at
> idle is when I'm using the prop walk to bring the stern over to a pier or
> to turn around in a tight fairway.
>
> Rick Brass
>
> Sent from my iPad
>
> On Aug 28, 2014, at 10:17, Burt Stratton via CnC-List <
> cnc-list@cnc-list.com> wrote:
>
> Hell, It took me a few attempts at backing in under power to figure out
> that my 2-blade folding Martec prop needs half an hour head start just to
> stop my 1kt forward progress! Still trying to figure out how to account for
> and use my prop-walk. If I have a good hand with me I will sail on and off
> my mooring.
>
>
>
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Re: Stus-List Engine Sound Insulation - Go Without an engine?

[Indigo via CnC-List]

Not sure I understand a "3 point mooring". 

In Southport CT we have fore and aft moorings. The uninitiated (and those who 
refuse to take advice / help from our staff), amuse bystanders as they try to 
pick up the pennants. (The trick is to use an extension line that clips on to 
one pennant to allow the boat to get closer to the other for retrieval)

--
Jonathan
Indigo C&C 35III
SOUTHPORT CT

> On Aug 28, 2014, at 14:52, Stevan Plavsa via CnC-List  
> wrote:
> 
> Thanks all. I don't have the luxury of a spring though, I'm on a three point 
> mooring. I suppose in my case I'll just use the stern line. 
> Thanks for the tips :)
> And the EYC suggestion, maybe I'll give that a try, we're not far. 
> 
> Steve
> Suhana, C&C 32
> Toronto
> 
> 
>> On Thu, Aug 28, 2014 at 2:31 PM, Josh Muckley via CnC-List 
>>  wrote:
>> It doesn't hurt to have the engine running in neutral too...just in case.
>> 
>> Josh
>> 
>>> On Aug 28, 2014 2:28 PM, "dwight via CnC-List"  
>>> wrote:
>>> And if you are going to be brave enough to practice this in a responsible 
>>> fashion, then try practicing single handed; it’s a little more challenging 
>>> that way and also a little more impressive for the onlookers…
>>> 
>>>  
>>> 
>>> Dwight Veinot
>>> 
>>> C&C 35MKII, Alianna
>>> 
>>> Head of St. Margaret's Bay, NS
>>> 
>>>  
>>> 
>>> From: CnC-List [mailto:cnc-list-boun...@cnc-list.com] On Behalf Of Andrew 
>>> Burton via CnC-List
>>> Sent: August 28, 2014 2:10 PM
>>> To: Marek Dziedzic; cnc-list@cnc-list.com
>>> Subject: Re: Stus-List Engine Sound Insulation - Go Without an engine?
>>> 
>>>  
>>> 
>>>  (save that one time when my outboard quit when turning into the fairway) 
>>> 
>>>  
>>> 
>>> Which is exactly why I advocate practicing sailing in! We lose these skills 
>>> over time, so practice is necessary and far from irresponsible. Nothing 
>>> says we have to come charging in at hull speed. Try approaching with just 
>>> the jib or just the main up--it's part of getting to know your boat. It 
>>> sure beats waiting for SeaTow as your boat drifts down an grounds on the 
>>> jetty.
>>> 
>>>  
>>> 
>>> And in a man overboard situation, I absolutely would prefer to use the 
>>> engine. Unless it was too rough, or as very often happens in the kefuffle 
>>> of a man overboard, a line wraps around the prop. That's the reason we 
>>> ALWAYS practice MOB retreival under sail.
>>> 
>>>  
>>> 
>>> On Thu, Aug 28, 2014 at 12:39 PM, Marek Dziedzic via CnC-List 
>>>  wrote:
>>> 
>>> Just to make sure, I am far from advocating using sails to enter marinas. I 
>>> think that in most cases this would be just irresponsible. And I use the 
>>> engine every time coming in (save that one time when my outboard quit when 
>>> turning into the fairway) or going out and when anchoring etc. And I bet 
>>> that most of us would prefer to use the engine in a MOB situation than do 
>>> it under sails alone.
>>> 
>>>  
>>> 
>>> The harbours got more crowded, the slips narrower, the skills required did 
>>> not get better and the engines did. Not to mention that we very often sail 
>>> shorthanded.
>>> 
>>>  
>>> 
>>> This does not take away from the fact that not that long ago even bigger 
>>> vessels operated without the auxiliary power and somehow managed to do that.
>>> 
>>>  
>>> 
>>> Marek
>>> 
>>>  
>>> 
>>> From: dwight via CnC-List
>>> 
>>> Sent: Thursday, August 28, 2014 9:57 AM
>>> 
>>> To: 'Russ & Melody' ; cnc-list@cnc-list.com
>>> 
>>> Subject: Re: Stus-List Engine Sound Insulation - Go Without an engine?
>>> 
>>>  
>>> 
>>> Guess I am missing something here…maybe I don’t understand what is meant by 
>>> “marina”.  I know it is possible to dock a 35 footer like Alianna at a 
>>> “marina” using sails only and I have done it a time or two but under 
>>> unfavorable wind conditions due to direction or strength in such close 
>>> quarters I prefer to use auxiliary power and have my sails down and packed 
>>> away before going to the dock or maybe I am missing what auxiliary power 
>>> means to anyone in craft not outfitted with sails…or maybe I have just 
>>> become more of a whimp and less of a purest as I grew older…hell I even 
>>> prefer auxiliary power when tieing up to a mooring in a crowded mooring 
>>> field and sailing off a mooring in a crowded field in some wind conditions 
>>> can also be tricky and unnecessarily risky
>>> 
>>>  
>>> 
>>> Dwight Veinot
>>> 
>>> C&C 35MKII, Alianna
>>> 
>>> Head of St. Margaret's Bay, NS
>>> 
>>>  
>>> 
>>> From: CnC-List [mailto:cnc-list-boun...@cnc-list.com] On Behalf Of Russ & 
>>> Melody via CnC-List
>>> Sent: August 28, 2014 1:47 AM
>>> To: Marek Dziedzic; cnc-list@cnc-list.com
>>> Subject: Re: Stus-List Engine Sound Insulation - Go Without an engine?
>>> 
>>>  
>>> 
>>> 
>>> In my olden days as a member of the Yacht Club's Executive Committee, 
>>> business was brought forth to propose that sailboats must use engines in 
>>> the marina (or something to that effect).  I pointed out that engines ar

Re: Stus-List Engine Sound Insulation - Go Without an engine? Now docking

[Marek Dziedzic via CnC-List]

same configuration here. The dock is actually shorter than the boat. And I 
use very similar technique. Most of the times it works.


Marek

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Sent: Thursday, August 28, 2014 2:34 PM
To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com
Subject: Re: Stus-List Engine Sound Insulation - Go Without an engine? Now 
docking


Which is all well and good if your dock has a piling or some other way of 
getting a midships springline onto it.  My dock is a low, short finger, when 
the boat is in the slip the stern is just about to the end of the finger so 
no way to drop a springline over a dock cleat as I come in singlehanded.
I just have to wing it, drive in with enough way on to allow steerage, quick 
blast of reverse to tuck the stern in and stop any forward motion(dock is to 
port with reverse giving me a port walk), step off and throw the docklines 
over my cleats like a hero.  Usually.  Gets more interesting with the 
current and/or wind blowing you away from the dock of course, haven't got 
that one nailed quite yet (first year with an inboard) but fortunately don't 
have a boat in the adjoining slip so there is always a plan B, however 
untidy it looks.

Cheers,
Paul

Orange Crush
C&C27MkII
Sidney, BC.


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Sent: Thursday, August 28, 2014 10:57:15 AM
Subject: Re: Stus-List Engine Sound Insulation - Go Without an engine?





Key to difficult docking situations is a midships spring line. If you drop a 
short spring on a piling you can run against it and snug up to the dock 
under power either way and under sail going downwind.





Joe Della Barba

Coquina
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Re: Stus-List Was Engine Sound Insulation - Now docking

[Marek Dziedzic via CnC-List]

Jean-Francois,

you said:
“The trick for my boat is to give it a moderate goose in reverse and 
immediately put it in neutral.”

Until I learned this trick (or is it technique?) I could not get out of my 
slip. It is a narrow slip and very narrow fairway and getting out I need to 
turn backwards to starboard. If in gear, the boat would go straight (the prop 
walk compensates for the rudder). 

Marek

From: Jean-Francois J Rivard via CnC-List 
Sent: Thursday, August 28, 2014 3:21 PM
To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com 
Subject: Stus-List Was Engine Sound Insulation - Now docking

I have never pulled into my slip going forward, my shore power line is not long 
enough to reach.. 

The very 1st time ever I docked a keel boat (or any inboard boat for that mater 
) I backed it into its slip (U shaped slip) . That was the day of my sea trial 
24 hrs before I signed a big check...

It's probably a combination of the fact that my slip is very protected, 
anything less than 15 knots in the bay and it's glassy water at my slip.  My 
boat has a somewhat modern design having been  designed in 1989, and my 
surveyor is a 30 + year experience sailor who calmly walked-me through the 
procedure.  It was a total cake walk. no problem whatsoever.  

The trick for my boat is to give it a moderate goose in reverse and immediately 
put it in neutral.  Its funny how in reverse, as long as you have it in gear, 
the rudder is very sluggish until the boat has some speed. Conversely, even if 
the boat is creeping along the second you get it out of gear, the rudder is 
immediately responsive. 

I have a Martec 2 blades folder and the moderate amount of prop walk I get 
helps my 180 spin I do every time I pull in the cove.  It's a very simple 
process:Pull in, make a slight starboard bend then sharp port tack to shape 
the turn like a question mark, put it in reverse and give it a mild goose which 
does 3 things: complete the 180 turn (Prop walk), stop the forward motion, and 
get the boat going backwards.  Then just back in pretty much straight 
backing-up minding the bow to make sure it lines-up with the slip. Finish with 
a final minor forward thrust blip to stop the motion.  


Every time we sail with friends they offer to help with the docking and the 
answer is always the same:  No need for any help , 2 people is plenty, 1 person 
is enough, it's that simple.  

>Backing into a slip is not something I've yet tried. When visiting other
>clubs I tend to avoid experimentation (read: embarrassment) so I go bow in.
>But I think it's cool and if I had a slip I'de practice. I watch those guys
>with modern boats actually shift into reverse and idle straight in, astern!
>What a concept! If I idle in reverse the boat just spins. I'm never in
> reserve longer than a couple of seconds! 



  Regards, 

  Francois Rivard
  1990 34+ "Take Five" 
  Lake Lanier, Georgia



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Re: Stus-List Was Engine Sound Insulation - Now docking

[Burt Stratton via CnC-List]

That is pretty much my approach. The prop walk disappears when in neutral
and with ANY backward way on the rudder is very effective. That is very
different from the much heavier twin engine power boat I am used to. Rudder
is useless in reverse unless you have some serious way on. You "steer" the
boat with a touch of forward with the rudder in the opposite direction,
which just moves the transom over for you. Then shift back to reverse
without adjusting rudder at all. You could also steer just using the two
gear shifts leaving the throttles closed. I want to regain that confidence
and grace in close quarters in my sail boat. Just need to get that prop walk
thing figured out. It has quite an affect going forward as well (before you
get any way on) and blasting it against the rudder doesn't seem to have any
affect at all. 

 

From: CnC-List [mailto:cnc-list-boun...@cnc-list.com] On Behalf Of
Jean-Francois J Rivard via CnC-List
Sent: Thursday, August 28, 2014 3:21 PM
To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com
Subject: Stus-List Was Engine Sound Insulation - Now docking

 

I have never pulled into my slip going forward, my shore power line is not
long enough to reach.. 

The very 1st time ever I docked a keel boat (or any inboard boat for that
mater ) I backed it into its slip (U shaped slip) . That was the day of my
sea trial 24 hrs before I signed a big check...

It's probably a combination of the fact that my slip is very protected,
anything less than 15 knots in the bay and it's glassy water at my slip.  My
boat has a somewhat modern design having been  designed in 1989, and my
surveyor is a 30 + year experience sailor who calmly walked-me through the
procedure.  It was a total cake walk. no problem whatsoever.  

The trick for my boat is to give it a moderate goose in reverse and
immediately put it in neutral.  Its funny how in reverse, as long as you
have it in gear, the rudder is very sluggish until the boat has some speed.
Conversely, even if the boat is creeping along the second you get it out of
gear, the rudder is immediately responsive. 

I have a Martec 2 blades folder and the moderate amount of prop walk I get
helps my 180 spin I do every time I pull in the cove.  It's a very simple
process:Pull in, make a slight starboard bend then sharp port tack to
shape the turn like a question mark, put it in reverse and give it a mild
goose which does 3 things: complete the 180 turn (Prop walk), stop the
forward motion, and get the boat going backwards.  Then just back in pretty
much straight backing-up minding the bow to make sure it lines-up with the
slip. Finish with a final minor forward thrust blip to stop the motion.  


Every time we sail with friends they offer to help with the docking and the
answer is always the same:  No need for any help , 2 people is plenty, 1
person is enough, it's that simple.  

 >Backing into a slip is not something I've yet tried. When visiting other
>clubs I tend to avoid experimentation (read: embarrassment) so I go bow in.
>But I think it's cool and if I had a slip I'de practice. I watch those guys
>with modern boats actually shift into reverse and idle straight in, astern!
>What a concept! If I idle in reverse the boat just spins. I'm never in
> reserve longer than a couple of seconds! 

Regards, 

Francois Rivard
1990 34+ "Take Five" 
Lake Lanier, Georgia

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Re: Stus-List ; Now docking

[Richard N. Bush via CnC-List]

In docking (and most other sailing endeavors too) we have discovered an 
immutable law of physicality we call the "people watching rule"; which is; "the 
amount of trouble or difficulty encountered is directly proportionate to the 
number of people watching"! 
 

Richard
1985 37 CB; Ohio River Mile 584;


Richard N. Bush 
2950 Breckenridge Lane, Suite Nine
Louisville, Kentucky 40220-1462 
502-584-7255

 
 
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Sent: Thu, Aug 28, 2014 2:38 pm
Subject: Re: Stus-List Engine Sound Insulation - Go Without an engine? Now 
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Stus-List Was Engine Sound Insulation - Now docking

[Jean-Francois J Rivard via CnC-List]

I have never pulled into my slip going forward, my shore power line is not
long enough to reach..

The very 1st time ever I docked a keel boat (or any inboard boat for that
mater ) I backed it into its slip (U shaped slip) . That was the day of my
sea trial 24 hrs before I signed a big check...

It's probably a combination of the fact that my slip is very protected,
anything less than 15 knots in the bay and it's glassy water at my slip.
My boat has a somewhat modern design having been  designed in 1989, and my
surveyor is a 30 + year experience sailor who calmly walked-me through the
procedure.  It was a total cake walk. no problem whatsoever.

The trick for my boat is to give it a moderate goose in reverse and
immediately put it in neutral.  Its funny how in reverse, as long as you
have it in gear, the rudder is very sluggish until the boat has some speed.
Conversely, even if the boat is creeping along the second you get it out of
gear, the rudder is immediately responsive.

I have a Martec 2 blades folder and the moderate amount of prop walk I get
helps my 180 spin I do every time I pull in the cove.  It's a very simple
process:Pull in, make a slight starboard bend then sharp port tack to
shape the turn like a question mark, put it in reverse and give it a mild
goose which does 3 things: complete the 180 turn (Prop walk), stop the
forward motion, and get the boat going backwards.  Then just back in pretty
much straight backing-up minding the bow to make sure it lines-up with the
slip. Finish with a final minor forward thrust blip to stop the motion.


Every time we sail with friends they offer to help with the docking and the
answer is always the same:  No need for any help , 2 people is plenty, 1
person is enough, it's that simple.

 >Backing into a slip is not something I've yet tried. When visiting other
>clubs I tend to avoid experimentation (read: embarrassment) so I go bow
in.
>But I think it's cool and if I had a slip I'de practice. I watch those
guys
>with modern boats actually shift into reverse and idle straight in,
astern!
>What a concept! If I idle in reverse the boat just spins. I'm never in
> reserve longer than a couple of seconds!


 Regards,

 Francois Rivard
 1990 34+ "Take Five"
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Re: Stus-List Engine Sound Insulation - Go Without an engine?

[Burt Stratton via CnC-List]

I’ll use my radio and ask for a tow

 

From: CnC-List [mailto:cnc-list-boun...@cnc-list.com] On Behalf Of Andrew 
Burton via CnC-List
Sent: Thursday, August 28, 2014 1:10 PM
To: Marek Dziedzic; cnc-list@cnc-list.com
Subject: Re: Stus-List Engine Sound Insulation - Go Without an engine?

 

 (save that one time when my outboard quit when turning into the fairway) 

 

Which is exactly why I advocate practicing sailing in! We lose these skills 
over time, so practice is necessary and far from irresponsible. Nothing says we 
have to come charging in at hull speed. Try approaching with just the jib or 
just the main up--it's part of getting to know your boat. It sure beats waiting 
for SeaTow as your boat drifts down an grounds on the jetty.

 

And in a man overboard situation, I absolutely would prefer to use the engine. 
Unless it was too rough, or as very often happens in the kefuffle of a man 
overboard, a line wraps around the prop. That's the reason we ALWAYS practice 
MOB retreival under sail.

 

On Thu, Aug 28, 2014 at 12:39 PM, Marek Dziedzic via CnC-List 
 wrote:

Just to make sure, I am far from advocating using sails to enter marinas. I 
think that in most cases this would be just irresponsible. And I use the engine 
every time coming in (save that one time when my outboard quit when turning 
into the fairway) or going out and when anchoring etc. And I bet that most of 
us would prefer to use the engine in a MOB situation than do it under sails 
alone.

 

The harbours got more crowded, the slips narrower, the skills required did not 
get better and the engines did. Not to mention that we very often sail 
shorthanded.

 

This does not take away from the fact that not that long ago even bigger 
vessels operated without the auxiliary power and somehow managed to do that.

 

Marek

 

From: dwight via CnC-List   

Sent: Thursday, August 28, 2014 9:57 AM

To: 'Russ   & Melody' ; cnc-list@cnc-list.com 

Subject: Re: Stus-List Engine Sound Insulation - Go Without an engine?

 

Guess I am missing something here…maybe I don’t understand what is meant by 
“marina”.  I know it is possible to dock a 35 footer like Alianna at a “marina” 
using sails only and I have done it a time or two but under unfavorable wind 
conditions due to direction or strength in such close quarters I prefer to use 
auxiliary power and have my sails down and packed away before going to the dock 
or maybe I am missing what auxiliary power means to anyone in craft not 
outfitted with sails…or maybe I have just become more of a whimp and less of a 
purest as I grew older…hell I even prefer auxiliary power when tieing up to a 
mooring in a crowded mooring field and sailing off a mooring in a crowded field 
in some wind conditions can also be tricky and unnecessarily risky

 

Dwight Veinot

C&C 35MKII, Alianna

Head of St. Margaret's Bay, NS

 

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From: CnC-List [mailto:cnc-list-boun...@cnc-list.com] On Behalf Of Russ & 
Melody via CnC-List
Sent: August 28, 2014 1:47 AM
To: Marek Dziedzic; cnc-list@cnc-list.com
Subject: Re: Stus-List Engine Sound Insulation - Go Without an engine?

 


In my olden days as a member of the Yacht Club's Executive Committee, business 
was brought forth to propose that sailboats must use engines in the marina (or 
something to that effect).  I pointed out that engines are auxiliary power on 
sailboats and if we are to endorse this business I will push that ALL vessels 
operating in the marina are required to use auxiliary power. 

That was the end of discussion.

Good times.

Cheers, Russ
Sweet 35-1




At 07:42 PM 27/08/2014, you wrote:



In the olden days, when I was getting my skippers certificate, we had to do all 
the manoeuvres, including getting in and out of the slip, without the use of 
the engine (and then again using it). But that art is gone. Now, if I tried to 
dock under sail there would be a crowd with pitchforks awaiting me on the dock 
(possibly with some boiling tar and a few (Canada) gees on the side).
 
Marek
 
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via CnC-List
Sent: Wednesday, August 27, 2014 7:33 PM
To: Jerome Tauber; cnc-list@cnc-list.com
Subject: Re: Stus-List Engine Sound Insulation - Go Without?
 
Under the watchful and at times frightened eyes of my neighbors, I have been 
routinely sailing into the slip without turning on the good 2QM.
 
Phase II: Learn how to get out of the slip under sail...

Cheers,
Aaron R.
1979 30-MK1
Annapolis, MD

On Aug 27, 2014, at 4:09 PM, "Jerome Tauber via CnC-List" 
 wrote:

I thought C&C owners only use their engines to get in and out of docks. 
Jerry. C&C 27v J&J

Sent from my iPhone

On Aug 27, 2014, at 3:00 PM, David via CnC-List  wrote:

Curious...is all the effort worth it?

David F. Risch

1981 40-2

(401) 419-4650   (cell)

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Re: Stus-List Engine Sound Insulation - Go Without an engine? Now docking

[Josh Muckley via CnC-List]

I keep a heavy line tied between the piling on the fareway and the piling
on the dock, one on both port and stbd sides.  In lew of a center piling
you can use a couple of different types of knot to tie a spring line to the
side lines.  The bow man (or you) can grab the spring you left dangling on
the side (guide) line and throw it over the stern cleat as you back in.  It
is already premarked or measured so that when it goes taught the boat stops
short of the pier and will snug into the finger.

Little more difficult coming in forward but the guide lines still help a lot

Josh Muckley
S/V Sea Hawk
1989 C&C 37+
Solomons, MD
On Aug 28, 2014 2:34 PM, "Paul Baker via CnC-List" 
wrote:

> Which is all well and good if your dock has a piling or some other way of
> getting a midships springline onto it.  My dock is a low, short finger,
> when the boat is in the slip the stern is just about to the end of the
> finger so no way to drop a springline over a dock cleat as I come in
> singlehanded.
> I just have to wing it, drive in with enough way on to allow steerage,
> quick blast of reverse to tuck the stern in and stop any forward
> motion(dock is to port with reverse giving me a port walk), step off and
> throw the docklines over my cleats like a hero.  Usually.  Gets more
> interesting with the current and/or wind blowing you away from the dock of
> course, haven't got that one nailed quite yet (first year with an inboard)
> but fortunately don't have a boat in the adjoining slip so there is always
> a plan B, however untidy it looks.
> Cheers,
> Paul
>
> Orange Crush
> C&C27MkII
> Sidney, BC.
>
>
> - Original Message -
> From: "Joe via CnC-List Della Barba" 
> To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com
> Sent: Thursday, August 28, 2014 10:57:15 AM
> Subject: Re: Stus-List Engine Sound Insulation - Go Without an engine?
>
>
>
>
>
> Key to difficult docking situations is a midships spring line. If you drop
> a short spring on a piling you can run against it and snug up to the dock
> under power either way and under sail going downwind.
>
>
>
>
> Joe Della Barba
>
> Coquina
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Re: Stus-List Engine Sound Insulation - Go Without an engine?

[Stevan Plavsa via CnC-List]

Thanks all. I don't have the luxury of a spring though, I'm on a three
point mooring. I suppose in my case I'll just use the stern line.
Thanks for the tips :)
And the EYC suggestion, maybe I'll give that a try, we're not far.

Steve
Suhana, C&C 32
Toronto


On Thu, Aug 28, 2014 at 2:31 PM, Josh Muckley via CnC-List <
cnc-list@cnc-list.com> wrote:

> It doesn't hurt to have the engine running in neutral too...just in case.
>
> Josh
> On Aug 28, 2014 2:28 PM, "dwight via CnC-List" 
> wrote:
>
>> And if you are going to be brave enough to practice this in a
>> responsible fashion, then try practicing single handed; it’s a little more
>> challenging that way and also a little more impressive for the onlookers…
>>
>>
>>
>> Dwight Veinot
>>
>> C&C 35MKII, Alianna
>>
>> Head of St. Margaret's Bay, NS
>>
>>
>>  --
>>
>> *From:* CnC-List [mailto:cnc-list-boun...@cnc-list.com] *On Behalf Of *Andrew
>> Burton via CnC-List
>> *Sent:* August 28, 2014 2:10 PM
>> *To:* Marek Dziedzic; cnc-list@cnc-list.com
>> *Subject:* Re: Stus-List Engine Sound Insulation - Go Without an engine?
>>
>>
>>
>>  (save that one time when my outboard quit when turning into the fairway)
>>
>>
>>
>> Which is exactly why I advocate practicing sailing in! We lose these
>> skills over time, so practice is necessary and far from irresponsible.
>> Nothing says we have to come charging in at hull speed. Try approaching
>> with just the jib or just the main up--it's part of getting to know your
>> boat. It sure beats waiting for SeaTow as your boat drifts down an grounds
>> on the jetty.
>>
>>
>>
>> And in a man overboard situation, I absolutely would prefer to use the
>> engine. Unless it was too rough, or as very often happens in the kefuffle
>> of a man overboard, a line wraps around the prop. That's the reason we
>> ALWAYS practice MOB retreival under sail.
>>
>>
>>
>> On Thu, Aug 28, 2014 at 12:39 PM, Marek Dziedzic via CnC-List <
>> cnc-list@cnc-list.com> wrote:
>>
>> Just to make sure, I am far from advocating using sails to enter marinas.
>> I think that in most cases this would be just irresponsible. And I use the
>> engine every time coming in (save that one time when my outboard quit when
>> turning into the fairway) or going out and when anchoring etc. And I bet
>> that most of us would prefer to use the engine in a MOB situation than do
>> it under sails alone.
>>
>>
>>
>> The harbours got more crowded, the slips narrower, the skills required
>> did not get better and the engines did. Not to mention that we very often
>> sail shorthanded.
>>
>>
>>
>> This does not take away from the fact that not that long ago even bigger
>> vessels operated without the auxiliary power and somehow managed to do that.
>>
>>
>>
>> Marek
>>
>>
>>
>> *From:* dwight via CnC-List 
>>
>> *Sent:* Thursday, August 28, 2014 9:57 AM
>>
>> *To:* 'Russ & Melody'  ; cnc-list@cnc-list.com
>>
>> *Subject:* Re: Stus-List Engine Sound Insulation - Go Without an engine?
>>
>>
>>
>> Guess I am missing something here…maybe I don’t understand what is meant
>> by “marina”.  I know it is possible to dock a 35 footer like Alianna at a
>> “marina” using sails only and I have done it a time or two but under
>> unfavorable wind conditions due to direction or strength in such close
>> quarters I prefer to use auxiliary power and have my sails down and packed
>> away before going to the dock or maybe I am missing what auxiliary power
>> means to anyone in craft not outfitted with sails…or maybe I have just
>> become more of a whimp and less of a purest as I grew older…hell I even
>> prefer auxiliary power when tieing up to a mooring in a crowded mooring
>> field and sailing off a mooring in a crowded field in some wind conditions
>> can also be tricky and unnecessarily risky
>>
>>
>>
>> Dwight Veinot
>>
>> C&C 35MKII, Alianna
>>
>> Head of St. Margaret's Bay, NS
>>
>>
>>   --
>>
>> *From:* CnC-List [mailto:cnc-list-boun...@cnc-list.com] *On Behalf Of *Russ
>> & Melody via CnC-List
>> *Sent:* August 28, 2014 1:47 AM
>> *To:* Marek Dziedzic; cnc-list@cnc-list.com
>> *Subject:* Re: Stus-List Engine Sound Insulation - Go Without an engine?
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> In my olden days as a member of the Yacht Club's Executive Committee,
>> business was brought forth to propose that sailboats must use engines in
>> the marina (or something to that effect).  I pointed out that engines are
>> auxiliary power on sailboats and if we are to endorse this business I will
>> push that ALL vessels operating in the marina are required to use auxiliary
>> power.
>>
>> That was the end of discussion.
>>
>> Good times.
>>
>> Cheers, Russ
>> *Sweet *35-1
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> At 07:42 PM 27/08/2014, you wrote:
>>
>>  In the olden days, when I was getting my skippers certificate, we had
>> to do all the manoeuvres, including getting in and out of the slip, without
>> the use of the engine (and then again using it). But that art is gone. Now,
>>

Re: Stus-List Engine Sound Insulation - Go Without an engine? Now docking

[Della Barba, Joe via CnC-List]

My best docking EVER is at super low tide. I am dragging through a few inches 
of mud, so short of half-throttle the boat does not move. Despite a nasty 
crosswind I track ruler-straight into the slip, stop dead center, and calmly 
walk around hooking up lines while the boat holds perfect position in the wind. 
Onlookers are amazed LOL

Joe Della Barba
Coquina
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docking

Which is all well and good if your dock has a piling or some other way of 
getting a midships springline onto it.  My dock is a low, short finger, when 
the boat is in the slip the stern is just about to the end of the finger so no 
way to drop a springline over a dock cleat as I come in singlehanded.
I just have to wing it, drive in with enough way on to allow steerage, quick 
blast of reverse to tuck the stern in and stop any forward motion(dock is to 
port with reverse giving me a port walk), step off and throw the docklines over 
my cleats like a hero.  Usually.  Gets more interesting with the current and/or 
wind blowing you away from the dock of course, haven't got that one nailed 
quite yet (first year with an inboard) but fortunately don't have a boat in the 
adjoining slip so there is always a plan B, however untidy it looks.
Cheers,
Paul

Orange Crush
C&C27MkII
Sidney, BC.


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Sent: Thursday, August 28, 2014 10:57:15 AM
Subject: Re: Stus-List Engine Sound Insulation - Go Without an engine?





Key to difficult docking situations is a midships spring line. If you drop a 
short spring on a piling you can run against it and snug up to the dock under 
power either way and under sail going downwind. 

  


Joe Della Barba 

Coquina 
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Re: Stus-List Ever broke the key in the ignition switch?

[Edd Schillay via CnC-List]

Since Fred asked about the Enterprise’s warp drive, you may be pleased to know 
that we do have a warp core on board, complete with dilithium crystals. 

See it on YouTube: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=89vY1p0tT2E 


All the best,

Edd


Edd M. Schillay
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C&C 37+ | Sail No: NCC-1701-B
City Island, NY 
Starship Enterprise's Captain's Log


On Aug 28, 2014, at 1:45 PM, Edd Schillay  wrote:

> Fred,
> 
>   Those are the impulse engine controls. The sail cover and furling line 
> are the warp drive controls. 
> 
> 
>   All the best,
> 
>   Edd
> 
> 
>   Edd M. Schillay
>   Starship Enterprise
>   C&C 37+ | Sail No: NCC-1701-B
>   City Island, NY 
>   Starship Enterprise's Captain's Log
> 
> On Aug 28, 2014, at 12:24 PM, Frederick G Street  wrote:
> 
>> Where are the “Impulse Engine” and “Warp Drive” controls?
>> 
>> Fred Street -- Minneapolis
>> S/V Oceanis (1979 C&C Landfall 38) -- Bayfield, WI
>> 
>> On Aug 28, 2014, at 10:23 AM, Edd Schillay via CnC-List 
>>  wrote:
>> 
>>> Here’s a pic of my keyless ignition panel: 
>>> https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/15162917/ENTERPRISE/keyless.jpg 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> All the best,
>>> 
>>> Edd
>> 
> 

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Re: Stus-List Engine Sound Insulation - Go Without an engine? Now docking

[Paul Baker via CnC-List]

Which is all well and good if your dock has a piling or some other way of 
getting a midships springline onto it.  My dock is a low, short finger, when 
the boat is in the slip the stern is just about to the end of the finger so no 
way to drop a springline over a dock cleat as I come in singlehanded.
I just have to wing it, drive in with enough way on to allow steerage, quick 
blast of reverse to tuck the stern in and stop any forward motion(dock is to 
port with reverse giving me a port walk), step off and throw the docklines over 
my cleats like a hero.  Usually.  Gets more interesting with the current and/or 
wind blowing you away from the dock of course, haven't got that one nailed 
quite yet (first year with an inboard) but fortunately don't have a boat in the 
adjoining slip so there is always a plan B, however untidy it looks.
Cheers,
Paul

Orange Crush
C&C27MkII
Sidney, BC.


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Sent: Thursday, August 28, 2014 10:57:15 AM
Subject: Re: Stus-List Engine Sound Insulation - Go Without an engine?





Key to difficult docking situations is a midships spring line. If you drop a 
short spring on a piling you can run against it and snug up to the dock under 
power either way and under sail going downwind. 

  


Joe Della Barba 

Coquina 
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Re: Stus-List Engine Sound Insulation - Go Without an engine?

[Josh Muckley via CnC-List]

It doesn't hurt to have the engine running in neutral too...just in case.

Josh
On Aug 28, 2014 2:28 PM, "dwight via CnC-List" 
wrote:

> And if you are going to be brave enough to practice this in a
> responsible fashion, then try practicing single handed; it's a little more
> challenging that way and also a little more impressive for the onlookers...
>
>
>
> Dwight Veinot
>
> C&C 35MKII, Alianna
>
> Head of St. Margaret's Bay, NS
>
>
>  --
>
> *From:* CnC-List [mailto:cnc-list-boun...@cnc-list.com] *On Behalf Of *Andrew
> Burton via CnC-List
> *Sent:* August 28, 2014 2:10 PM
> *To:* Marek Dziedzic; cnc-list@cnc-list.com
> *Subject:* Re: Stus-List Engine Sound Insulation - Go Without an engine?
>
>
>
>  (save that one time when my outboard quit when turning into the fairway)
>
>
>
> Which is exactly why I advocate practicing sailing in! We lose these
> skills over time, so practice is necessary and far from irresponsible.
> Nothing says we have to come charging in at hull speed. Try approaching
> with just the jib or just the main up--it's part of getting to know your
> boat. It sure beats waiting for SeaTow as your boat drifts down an grounds
> on the jetty.
>
>
>
> And in a man overboard situation, I absolutely would prefer to use the
> engine. Unless it was too rough, or as very often happens in the kefuffle
> of a man overboard, a line wraps around the prop. That's the reason we
> ALWAYS practice MOB retreival under sail.
>
>
>
> On Thu, Aug 28, 2014 at 12:39 PM, Marek Dziedzic via CnC-List <
> cnc-list@cnc-list.com> wrote:
>
> Just to make sure, I am far from advocating using sails to enter marinas.
> I think that in most cases this would be just irresponsible. And I use the
> engine every time coming in (save that one time when my outboard quit when
> turning into the fairway) or going out and when anchoring etc. And I bet
> that most of us would prefer to use the engine in a MOB situation than do
> it under sails alone.
>
>
>
> The harbours got more crowded, the slips narrower, the skills required did
> not get better and the engines did. Not to mention that we very often sail
> shorthanded.
>
>
>
> This does not take away from the fact that not that long ago even bigger
> vessels operated without the auxiliary power and somehow managed to do that.
>
>
>
> Marek
>
>
>
> *From:* dwight via CnC-List 
>
> *Sent:* Thursday, August 28, 2014 9:57 AM
>
> *To:* 'Russ & Melody'  ; cnc-list@cnc-list.com
>
> *Subject:* Re: Stus-List Engine Sound Insulation - Go Without an engine?
>
>
>
> Guess I am missing something here...maybe I don't understand what is meant
> by "marina".  I know it is possible to dock a 35 footer like Alianna at a
> "marina" using sails only and I have done it a time or two but under
> unfavorable wind conditions due to direction or strength in such close
> quarters I prefer to use auxiliary power and have my sails down and packed
> away before going to the dock or maybe I am missing what auxiliary power
> means to anyone in craft not outfitted with sails...or maybe I have just
> become more of a whimp and less of a purest as I grew older...hell I even
> prefer auxiliary power when tieing up to a mooring in a crowded mooring
> field and sailing off a mooring in a crowded field in some wind conditions
> can also be tricky and unnecessarily risky
>
>
>
> Dwight Veinot
>
> C&C 35MKII, Alianna
>
> Head of St. Margaret's Bay, NS
>
>
>   --
>
> *From:* CnC-List [mailto:cnc-list-boun...@cnc-list.com] *On Behalf Of *Russ
> & Melody via CnC-List
> *Sent:* August 28, 2014 1:47 AM
> *To:* Marek Dziedzic; cnc-list@cnc-list.com
> *Subject:* Re: Stus-List Engine Sound Insulation - Go Without an engine?
>
>
>
>
> In my olden days as a member of the Yacht Club's Executive Committee,
> business was brought forth to propose that sailboats must use engines in
> the marina (or something to that effect).  I pointed out that engines are
> auxiliary power on sailboats and if we are to endorse this business I will
> push that ALL vessels operating in the marina are required to use auxiliary
> power.
>
> That was the end of discussion.
>
> Good times.
>
> Cheers, Russ
> *Sweet *35-1
>
>
>
>
> At 07:42 PM 27/08/2014, you wrote:
>
>  In the olden days, when I was getting my skippers certificate, we had to
> do all the manoeuvres, including getting in and out of the slip, without
> the use of the engine (and then again using it). But that art is gone. Now,
> if I tried to dock under sail there would be a crowd with pitchforks
> awaiting me on the dock (possibly with some boiling tar and a few (Canada)
> gees on the side).
>
> Marek
>
> *From:* CnC-List [mailto:cnc-list-boun...@cnc-list.com
> ] *On Behalf Of *Aaron Rouhi via CnC-List
> *Sent:* Wednesday, August 27, 2014 7:33 PM
> *To:* Jerome Tauber; cnc-list@cnc-list.com
> *Subject:* Re: Stus-List Engine Sound Insulation - Go Without?
>
> Under the watchful and at times frightened eyes 

Re: Stus-List Engine Sound Insulation - Go Without an engine?

[dwight via CnC-List]

And if you are going to be brave enough to practice this in a responsible
fashion, then try practicing single handed; it's a little more challenging
that way and also a little more impressive for the onlookers.

 

Dwight Veinot

C&C 35MKII, Alianna

Head of St. Margaret's Bay, NS

 

  _  

From: CnC-List [mailto:cnc-list-boun...@cnc-list.com] On Behalf Of Andrew
Burton via CnC-List
Sent: August 28, 2014 2:10 PM
To: Marek Dziedzic; cnc-list@cnc-list.com
Subject: Re: Stus-List Engine Sound Insulation - Go Without an engine?

 

 (save that one time when my outboard quit when turning into the fairway) 

 

Which is exactly why I advocate practicing sailing in! We lose these skills
over time, so practice is necessary and far from irresponsible. Nothing says
we have to come charging in at hull speed. Try approaching with just the jib
or just the main up--it's part of getting to know your boat. It sure beats
waiting for SeaTow as your boat drifts down an grounds on the jetty.

 

And in a man overboard situation, I absolutely would prefer to use the
engine. Unless it was too rough, or as very often happens in the kefuffle of
a man overboard, a line wraps around the prop. That's the reason we ALWAYS
practice MOB retreival under sail.

 

On Thu, Aug 28, 2014 at 12:39 PM, Marek Dziedzic via CnC-List
 wrote:

Just to make sure, I am far from advocating using sails to enter marinas. I
think that in most cases this would be just irresponsible. And I use the
engine every time coming in (save that one time when my outboard quit when
turning into the fairway) or going out and when anchoring etc. And I bet
that most of us would prefer to use the engine in a MOB situation than do it
under sails alone.

 

The harbours got more crowded, the slips narrower, the skills required did
not get better and the engines did. Not to mention that we very often sail
shorthanded.

 

This does not take away from the fact that not that long ago even bigger
vessels operated without the auxiliary power and somehow managed to do that.

 

Marek

 

From: dwight via CnC-List   

Sent: Thursday, August 28, 2014 9:57 AM

To: 'Russ   & Melody' ; cnc-list@cnc-list.com 

Subject: Re: Stus-List Engine Sound Insulation - Go Without an engine?

 

Guess I am missing something here.maybe I don't understand what is meant by
"marina".  I know it is possible to dock a 35 footer like Alianna at a
"marina" using sails only and I have done it a time or two but under
unfavorable wind conditions due to direction or strength in such close
quarters I prefer to use auxiliary power and have my sails down and packed
away before going to the dock or maybe I am missing what auxiliary power
means to anyone in craft not outfitted with sails.or maybe I have just
become more of a whimp and less of a purest as I grew older.hell I even
prefer auxiliary power when tieing up to a mooring in a crowded mooring
field and sailing off a mooring in a crowded field in some wind conditions
can also be tricky and unnecessarily risky

 

Dwight Veinot

C&C 35MKII, Alianna

Head of St. Margaret's Bay, NS

 

  _  

From: CnC-List [mailto:cnc-list-boun...@cnc-list.com] On Behalf Of Russ &
Melody via CnC-List
Sent: August 28, 2014 1:47 AM
To: Marek Dziedzic; cnc-list@cnc-list.com
Subject: Re: Stus-List Engine Sound Insulation - Go Without an engine?

 


In my olden days as a member of the Yacht Club's Executive Committee,
business was brought forth to propose that sailboats must use engines in the
marina (or something to that effect).  I pointed out that engines are
auxiliary power on sailboats and if we are to endorse this business I will
push that ALL vessels operating in the marina are required to use auxiliary
power. 

That was the end of discussion.

Good times.

Cheers, Russ
Sweet 35-1




At 07:42 PM 27/08/2014, you wrote:



In the olden days, when I was getting my skippers certificate, we had to do
all the manoeuvres, including getting in and out of the slip, without the
use of the engine (and then again using it). But that art is gone. Now, if I
tried to dock under sail there would be a crowd with pitchforks awaiting me
on the dock (possibly with some boiling tar and a few (Canada) gees on the
side).
 
Marek
 
From: CnC-List [mailto:cnc-list-boun...@cnc-list.com] On Behalf Of Aaron
Rouhi via CnC-List
Sent: Wednesday, August 27, 2014 7:33 PM
To: Jerome Tauber; cnc-list@cnc-list.com
Subject: Re: Stus-List Engine Sound Insulation - Go Without?
 
Under the watchful and at times frightened eyes of my neighbors, I have been
routinely sailing into the slip without turning on the good 2QM.
 
Phase II: Learn how to get out of the slip under sail...

Cheers,
Aaron R.
1979 30-MK1
Annapolis, MD

On Aug 27, 2014, at 4:09 PM, "Jerome Tauber via CnC-List"
 wrote:

I thought C&C owners only use their engines to get in and out of docks.
Jerry. C&C 27v J&J

Sent from my iPhone

On Aug 27, 2014, at 3:00 PM, David

Re: Stus-List Engine Sound Insulation - Go Without an engine?

[Tim Sippel via CnC-List]

I call that the J.C.F. line…

Tim \
 Toronto
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Joe via CnC-List
Sent: Thursday, August 28, 2014 1:57 PM
To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com
Subject: Re: Stus-List Engine Sound Insulation - Go Without an engine?

Key to difficult docking situations is a midships spring line. If you drop a 
short spring on a piling you can run against it and snug up to the dock under 
power either way and under sail going downwind.

Joe Della Barba
Coquina





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Re: Stus-List Engine Sound Insulation - Go Without an engine?

[Della Barba, Joe via CnC-List]

Key to difficult docking situations is a midships spring line. If you drop a 
short spring on a piling you can run against it and snug up to the dock under 
power either way and under sail going downwind.

Joe Della Barba
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Re: Stus-List Ever broke the key in the ignition switch?

[Edd Schillay via CnC-List]

Fred,

Those are the impulse engine controls. The sail cover and furling line 
are the warp drive controls. 


All the best,

Edd


Edd M. Schillay
Starship Enterprise
C&C 37+ | Sail No: NCC-1701-B
City Island, NY 
Starship Enterprise's Captain's Log

On Aug 28, 2014, at 12:24 PM, Frederick G Street  wrote:

> Where are the “Impulse Engine” and “Warp Drive” controls?
> 
> Fred Street -- Minneapolis
> S/V Oceanis (1979 C&C Landfall 38) -- Bayfield, WI
> 
> On Aug 28, 2014, at 10:23 AM, Edd Schillay via CnC-List 
>  wrote:
> 
>> Here’s a pic of my keyless ignition panel: 
>> https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/15162917/ENTERPRISE/keyless.jpg 
>> 
>> 
>>  All the best,
>> 
>>  Edd
> 

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Re: Stus-List Engine Sound Insulation - Go Without an engine?

[Chris Price via CnC-List]

Back when I was a teenager, my brother and I almost always sailed our Columbia 
Sabre (5.5m hull made into a narrow racer/cruiser) in and out of the slip. Our 
auxiliary power was a temperamental 5hp British Seagull (aren't they all) that 
was a pain to carry up the companionway and mount on the transom. I learned 
early that good springlines were the key. 

Chris Price 
Pradel 35 MkI 


- Original Message -

From: "Stevan Plavsa via CnC-List"  
To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com 
Sent: Thursday, August 28, 2014 1:26:17 PM 
Subject: Re: Stus-List Engine Sound Insulation - Go Without an engine? 

I've always wanted to practice sailing to a dock, but I don't have a slip. I've 
sailed on and off of a single point mooring but not my three point mooring. The 
three point dictates which direction you're approaching from regardless where 
the wind is. Same as a slip but with a slip you can sidle up with the spring 
line, not so with the mooring. Quickly grabbing a stern line and throwing it on 
a winch is fine and all but not optimal. Optimal is bringing the boat to a stop 
and leisurely dealing with the lines. Not always an option depending on 
conditions of course. 

How do you stop the boat with the wind behind you? 

I'm eager to learn this but I'm also eager not to damage my boat on the gnarly 
breakwall just forward of my slot. We're finally gonna get a sail in today 
after work, maybe I'll try it with the motor in neutral, just in case. Main or 
jib? Which is more appropriate for manoeuvring and docking in tight quarters 
shorthanded? 

Steve 
Suhana, C&C 32 
Toronto 


On Thu, Aug 28, 2014 at 1:10 PM, Andrew Burton via CnC-List < 
cnc-list@cnc-list.com > wrote: 



(save that one time when my outboard quit when turning into the fairway) 

Which is exactly why I advocate practicing sailing in! We lose these skills 
over time, so practice is necessary and far from irresponsible. Nothing says we 
have to come charging in at hull speed. Try approaching with just the jib or 
just the main up--it's part of getting to know your boat. It sure beats waiting 
for SeaTow as your boat drifts down an grounds on the jetty. 

And in a man overboard situation, I absolutely would prefer to use the engine. 
Unless it was too rough, or as very often happens in the kefuffle of a man 
overboard, a line wraps around the prop. That's the reason we ALWAYS practice 
MOB retreival under sail. 


On Thu, Aug 28, 2014 at 12:39 PM, Marek Dziedzic via CnC-List < 
cnc-list@cnc-list.com > wrote: 



Just to make sure, I am far from advocating using sails to enter marinas. I 
think that in most cases this would be just irresponsible. And I use the engine 
every time coming in (save that one time when my outboard quit when turning 
into the fairway) or going out and when anchoring etc. And I bet that most of 
us would prefer to use the engine in a MOB situation than do it under sails 
alone. 
The harbours got more crowded, the slips narrower, the skills required did not 
get better and the engines did. Not to mention that we very often sail 
shorthanded. 
This does not take away from the fact that not that long ago even bigger 
vessels operated without the auxiliary power and somehow managed to do that. 
Marek 
From: dwight via CnC-List 
Sent: Thursday, August 28, 2014 9:57 AM 
To: 'Russ & Melody' ; cnc-list@cnc-list.com 
Subject: Re: Stus-List Engine Sound Insulation - Go Without an engine? 


Guess I am missing something here…maybe I don’t understand what is meant by 
“marina”. I know it is possible to dock a 35 footer like Alianna at a “marina” 
using sails only and I have done it a time or two but under unfavorable wind 
conditions due to direction or strength in such close quarters I prefer to use 
auxiliary power and have my sails down and packed away before going to the dock 
or maybe I am missing what auxiliary power means to anyone in craft not 
outfitted with sails…or maybe I have just become more of a whimp and less of a 
purest as I grew older…hell I even prefer auxiliary power when tieing up to a 
mooring in a crowded mooring field and sailing off a mooring in a crowded field 
in some wind conditions can also be tricky and unnecessarily risky 




Dwight Veinot 

C&C 35MKII, Alianna 

Head of St. Margaret's Bay, NS 






From: CnC-List [mailto: cnc-list-boun...@cnc-list.com ] On Behalf Of Russ & 
Melody via CnC-List 
Sent: August 28, 2014 1:47 AM 
To: Marek Dziedzic ; cnc-list@cnc-list.com 
Subject: Re: Stus-List Engine Sound Insulation - Go Without an engine? 





In my olden days as a member of the Yacht Club's Executive Committee, business 
was brought forth to propose that sailboats must use engines in the marina (or 
something to that effect). I pointed out that engines are auxiliary power on 
sailboats and if we are to endorse this business I will push that ALL vessels 
operating in the marina are required to use auxiliary power. 

That was the end of discussion. 

Good times. 

Cheers, Russ 
Sweet 35-1 




At 07:42 P

Re: Stus-List Engine Sound Insulation - Go Without an engine?

[Tim Sippel via CnC-List]

Hi Steve … Come to EYC and practice on the Visitor pump-out dock   ;)


Tim
33MKII
 Toronto
From: CnC-List [mailto:cnc-list-boun...@cnc-list.com] On Behalf Of Stevan 
Plavsa via CnC-List
Sent: Thursday, August 28, 2014 1:26 PM
To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com
Subject: Re: Stus-List Engine Sound Insulation - Go Without an engine?

I've always wanted to practice sailing to a dock, but I don't have a slip. I've 
sailed on and off of a single point mooring but not my three point mooring. The 
three point dictates which direction you're approaching from regardless where 
the wind is. Same as a slip but with a slip you can sidle up with the spring 
line, not so with the mooring. Quickly grabbing a stern line and throwing it on 
a winch is fine and all but not optimal. Optimal is bringing the boat to a stop 
and leisurely dealing with the lines. Not always an option depending on 
conditions of course.

How do you stop the boat with the wind behind you?

I'm eager to learn this but I'm also eager not to damage my boat on the gnarly 
breakwall just forward of my slot. We're finally gonna get a sail in today 
after work, maybe I'll try it with the motor in neutral, just in case. Main or 
jib? Which is more appropriate for manoeuvring and docking in tight quarters 
shorthanded?

Steve
Suhana, C&C 32
Toronto

On Thu, Aug 28, 2014 at 1:10 PM, Andrew Burton via CnC-List 
mailto:cnc-list@cnc-list.com>> wrote:
 (save that one time when my outboard quit when turning into the fairway)

Which is exactly why I advocate practicing sailing in! We lose these skills 
over time, so practice is necessary and far from irresponsible. Nothing says we 
have to come charging in at hull speed. Try approaching with just the jib or 
just the main up--it's part of getting to know your boat. It sure beats waiting 
for SeaTow as your boat drifts down an grounds on the jetty.

And in a man overboard situation, I absolutely would prefer to use the engine. 
Unless it was too rough, or as very often happens in the kefuffle of a man 
overboard, a line wraps around the prop. That's the reason we ALWAYS practice 
MOB retreival under sail.

On Thu, Aug 28, 2014 at 12:39 PM, Marek Dziedzic via CnC-List 
mailto:cnc-list@cnc-list.com>> wrote:
Just to make sure, I am far from advocating using sails to enter marinas. I 
think that in most cases this would be just irresponsible. And I use the engine 
every time coming in (save that one time when my outboard quit when turning 
into the fairway) or going out and when anchoring etc. And I bet that most of 
us would prefer to use the engine in a MOB situation than do it under sails 
alone.

The harbours got more crowded, the slips narrower, the skills required did not 
get better and the engines did. Not to mention that we very often sail 
shorthanded.

This does not take away from the fact that not that long ago even bigger 
vessels operated without the auxiliary power and somehow managed to do that.

Marek

From: dwight via CnC-List
Sent: Thursday, August 28, 2014 9:57 AM
To: 'Russ & Melody' ; 
cnc-list@cnc-list.com
Subject: Re: Stus-List Engine Sound Insulation - Go Without an engine?

Guess I am missing something here…maybe I don’t understand what is meant by 
“marina”.  I know it is possible to dock a 35 footer like Alianna at a “marina” 
using sails only and I have done it a time or two but under unfavorable wind 
conditions due to direction or strength in such close quarters I prefer to use 
auxiliary power and have my sails down and packed away before going to the dock 
or maybe I am missing what auxiliary power means to anyone in craft not 
outfitted with sails…or maybe I have just become more of a whimp and less of a 
purest as I grew older…hell I even prefer auxiliary power when tieing up to a 
mooring in a crowded mooring field and sailing off a mooring in a crowded field 
in some wind conditions can also be tricky and unnecessarily risky


Dwight Veinot

C&C 35MKII, Alianna

Head of St. Margaret's Bay, NS


From: CnC-List 
[mailto:cnc-list-boun...@cnc-list.com] On 
Behalf Of Russ & Melody via CnC-List
Sent: August 28, 2014 1:47 AM
To: Marek Dziedzic; cnc-list@cnc-list.com
Subject: Re: Stus-List Engine Sound Insulation - Go Without an engine?


In my olden days as a member of the Yacht Club's Executive Committee, business 
was brought forth to propose that sailboats must use engines in the marina (or 
something to that effect).  I pointed out that engines are auxiliary power on 
sailboats and if we are to endorse this business I will push that ALL vessels 
operating in the marina are required to use auxiliary power.

That was the end of discussion.

Good times.

Cheers, Russ
Sweet 35-1











This communication is con

Re: Stus-List Engine Sound Insulation - Go Without an engine?

[Stevan Plavsa via CnC-List]

I've always wanted to practice sailing to a dock, but I don't have a slip.
I've sailed on and off of a single point mooring but not my three point
mooring. The three point dictates which direction you're approaching from
regardless where the wind is. Same as a slip but with a slip you can sidle
up with the spring line, not so with the mooring. Quickly grabbing a stern
line and throwing it on a winch is fine and all but not optimal. Optimal is
bringing the boat to a stop and leisurely dealing with the lines. Not
always an option depending on conditions of course.

How do you stop the boat with the wind behind you?

I'm eager to learn this but I'm also eager not to damage my boat on the
gnarly breakwall just forward of my slot. We're finally gonna get a sail in
today after work, maybe I'll try it with the motor in neutral, just in
case. Main or jib? Which is more appropriate for manoeuvring and docking in
tight quarters shorthanded?

Steve
Suhana, C&C 32
Toronto


On Thu, Aug 28, 2014 at 1:10 PM, Andrew Burton via CnC-List <
cnc-list@cnc-list.com> wrote:

>  (save that one time when my outboard quit when turning into the fairway)
>
> Which is exactly why I advocate practicing sailing in! We lose these
> skills over time, so practice is necessary and far from irresponsible.
> Nothing says we have to come charging in at hull speed. Try approaching
> with just the jib or just the main up--it's part of getting to know your
> boat. It sure beats waiting for SeaTow as your boat drifts down an grounds
> on the jetty.
>
> And in a man overboard situation, I absolutely would prefer to use the
> engine. Unless it was too rough, or as very often happens in the kefuffle
> of a man overboard, a line wraps around the prop. That's the reason we
> ALWAYS practice MOB retreival under sail.
>
>
> On Thu, Aug 28, 2014 at 12:39 PM, Marek Dziedzic via CnC-List <
> cnc-list@cnc-list.com> wrote:
>
>>   Just to make sure, I am far from advocating using sails to enter
>> marinas. I think that in most cases this would be just irresponsible. And I
>> use the engine every time coming in (save that one time when my outboard
>> quit when turning into the fairway) or going out and when anchoring etc.
>> And I bet that most of us would prefer to use the engine in a MOB situation
>> than do it under sails alone.
>>
>> The harbours got more crowded, the slips narrower, the skills required
>> did not get better and the engines did. Not to mention that we very often
>> sail shorthanded.
>>
>> This does not take away from the fact that not that long ago even bigger
>> vessels operated without the auxiliary power and somehow managed to do that.
>>
>> Marek
>>
>>  *From:* dwight via CnC-List 
>> *Sent:* Thursday, August 28, 2014 9:57 AM
>> *To:* 'Russ & Melody'  ; cnc-list@cnc-list.com
>> *Subject:* Re: Stus-List Engine Sound Insulation - Go Without an engine?
>>
>>
>> Guess I am missing something here…maybe I don’t understand what is meant
>> by “marina”.  I know it is possible to dock a 35 footer like Alianna at a
>> “marina” using sails only and I have done it a time or two but under
>> unfavorable wind conditions due to direction or strength in such close
>> quarters I prefer to use auxiliary power and have my sails down and packed
>> away before going to the dock or maybe I am missing what auxiliary power
>> means to anyone in craft not outfitted with sails…or maybe I have just
>> become more of a whimp and less of a purest as I grew older…hell I even
>> prefer auxiliary power when tieing up to a mooring in a crowded mooring
>> field and sailing off a mooring in a crowded field in some wind conditions
>> can also be tricky and unnecessarily risky
>>
>>
>>
>> Dwight Veinot
>>
>> C&C 35MKII, Alianna
>>
>> Head of St. Margaret's Bay, NS
>>
>>
>>  --
>>
>> *From:* CnC-List [mailto:cnc-list-boun...@cnc-list.com] *On Behalf Of *Russ
>> & Melody via CnC-List
>> *Sent:* August 28, 2014 1:47 AM
>> *To:* Marek Dziedzic; cnc-list@cnc-list.com
>> *Subject:* Re: Stus-List Engine Sound Insulation - Go Without an engine?
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> In my olden days as a member of the Yacht Club's Executive Committee,
>> business was brought forth to propose that sailboats must use engines in
>> the marina (or something to that effect).  I pointed out that engines are
>> auxiliary power on sailboats and if we are to endorse this business I will
>> push that ALL vessels operating in the marina are required to use auxiliary
>> power.
>>
>> That was the end of discussion.
>>
>> Good times.
>>
>> Cheers, Russ
>> *Sweet *35-1
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> At 07:42 PM 27/08/2014, you wrote:
>>
>>
>>  In the olden days, when I was getting my skippers certificate, we had
>> to do all the manoeuvres, including getting in and out of the slip, without
>> the use of the engine (and then again using it). But that art is gone. Now,
>> if I tried to dock under sail there would be a crowd with pitchforks
>> awaiting me on the dock (possibly with some boilin

Re: Stus-List Was Engine Sound Insulation - Now docking

[Stevan Plavsa via CnC-List]

Docking. What a novelty ;)
Try a 3 point mooring in a 25 knot cross wind on the starboard beam with 4
mooring lines dangling in the water and a 2 blade fixed ;) That thing is
like a rototiller in the water (it *just* *wants* to GO. OVER. THERE.). In
a situation like that I come in close to the windward boat, minding the
ever present mooring lines hiding below the surface, bow over to leeward
just a bit (so my crew can reach the forward lines) then bang it into
reverse with generous amounts of throttle applied. The stern goes
<-- and we're stopped. I pick up the stern line and we're good.
That's how it works when it works, anyway. It's usually just me and the
missus so she's on the bow and I'm alone with the stern lines and controls.

Another situation I dislike is docking to starboard with wind on the
starboard beam. Stopping with the motor isn't as effective in that
situation. The windier it is, the faster I need to go. How do you all
handle that one? I don't like charging at a dock. I might be the slowest
docker at our club! I inch in when the conditions allow. In calm conditions
I don't even have steerage way in those last few feet... just a kiss.

Backing turns though. Handiest move ever. When I discovered that it opened
up a whole new world. I discovered it here, thank you ... Rick, I think?
This boat being the first inboard I've ever operated it was a steep
learning curve.

Backing into a slip is not something I've yet tried. When visiting other
clubs I tend to avoid experimentation (read: embarrassment) so I go bow in.
But I think it's cool and if I had a slip I'de practice. I watch those guys
with modern boats actually shift into reverse and idle straight in, astern!
What a concept! If I idle in reverse the boat just spins. I'm never in
reserve longer than a couple of seconds! I shift into reverse, apply much
throttle, close throttle and shift back to neutral. Rinse and repeat. This
gets me way and steerage astern with minimum prop walk. I tried that stand
in front of the binnacle facing aft when in reverse thing .. wy too
weird; the shifter and throttle are reversed and I get all turned around,
no good. I suppose once I have way on I can leave it in gear and the rudder
will overpower the prop walk eh? Have not tried it, too used to blipping
it. The A4 transmission doesn't 'click' into reverse either, you have to
hold it there and it makes a helluva racket.

...

Well, this has been a productive use of my lunch break.

Steve TooMuchCoffee
Suhana, C&C 32
Toronto



On Thu, Aug 28, 2014 at 11:24 AM, Joel Aronson via CnC-List <
cnc-list@cnc-list.com> wrote:

> Because my boat backs to port I have found that I am better off lining up
> to starboard of the centerline of the slip.  When I back down, the stern
> moves to port, centering the boat in the slip.  I shift to neutral and
> steer as needed.  I throw the aft spring over the designated winch so I
> don't back into the dock.
>
> When leaving the dock I tie the 2 stern lines together.  Its all or
> nothing with the boat hook coming into the slip.
>
> Joel
> 35/3
>
>
> On Thu, Aug 28, 2014 at 11:11 AM, Rick Brass via CnC-List <
> cnc-list@cnc-list.com> wrote:
>
>> The trick to backing with a Martec folding prop is the throttle.
>>
>> My Martec will stop my 15000 pound 38 from 2 or 3 knots in about a boat
>> length. Shift into reverse and boost the throttle to about half (1200 to
>> 1500 rpm in my case). The revs hold the blades open and she will stop as
>> well as she did with the 16x10 fixed prop.
>>
>> I back into my slip. Going forward, approach from perpendicular to the
>> slip centerline and a couple of boat lengths off the outer piling. Turn out
>> to intersect the slip centerline, shift to reverse and throttle up. When
>> the boat has good stern way, shift to neutral and use the rudder and
>> momentum to back into the slip. A blip of power in forward to stop, and
>> then scurry forward to get the bow and forward spring line attached to the
>> boat, then slow reverse to hold the boat into the slip and use the prop
>> walk to hold her against the dock.
>>
>> Heck, now that I think of it, the only time I have the boat in reverse at
>> idle is when I'm using the prop walk to bring the stern over to a pier or
>> to turn around in a tight fairway.
>>
>> Rick Brass
>>
>> Sent from my iPad
>>
>> On Aug 28, 2014, at 10:17, Burt Stratton via CnC-List <
>> cnc-list@cnc-list.com> wrote:
>>
>> Hell, It took me a few attempts at backing in under power to figure out
>> that my 2-blade folding Martec prop needs half an hour head start just to
>> stop my 1kt forward progress! Still trying to figure out how to account for
>> and use my prop-walk. If I have a good hand with me I will sail on and off
>> my mooring.
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
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Re: Stus-List Engine Sound Insulation - Go Without an engine?

[Andrew Burton via CnC-List]

 (save that one time when my outboard quit when turning into the fairway)

Which is exactly why I advocate practicing sailing in! We lose these skills
over time, so practice is necessary and far from irresponsible. Nothing
says we have to come charging in at hull speed. Try approaching with just
the jib or just the main up--it's part of getting to know your boat. It
sure beats waiting for SeaTow as your boat drifts down an grounds on the
jetty.

And in a man overboard situation, I absolutely would prefer to use the
engine. Unless it was too rough, or as very often happens in the kefuffle
of a man overboard, a line wraps around the prop. That's the reason we
ALWAYS practice MOB retreival under sail.


On Thu, Aug 28, 2014 at 12:39 PM, Marek Dziedzic via CnC-List <
cnc-list@cnc-list.com> wrote:

>   Just to make sure, I am far from advocating using sails to enter
> marinas. I think that in most cases this would be just irresponsible. And I
> use the engine every time coming in (save that one time when my outboard
> quit when turning into the fairway) or going out and when anchoring etc.
> And I bet that most of us would prefer to use the engine in a MOB situation
> than do it under sails alone.
>
> The harbours got more crowded, the slips narrower, the skills required did
> not get better and the engines did. Not to mention that we very often sail
> shorthanded.
>
> This does not take away from the fact that not that long ago even bigger
> vessels operated without the auxiliary power and somehow managed to do that.
>
> Marek
>
>  *From:* dwight via CnC-List 
> *Sent:* Thursday, August 28, 2014 9:57 AM
> *To:* 'Russ & Melody'  ; cnc-list@cnc-list.com
> *Subject:* Re: Stus-List Engine Sound Insulation - Go Without an engine?
>
>
> Guess I am missing something here…maybe I don’t understand what is meant
> by “marina”.  I know it is possible to dock a 35 footer like Alianna at a
> “marina” using sails only and I have done it a time or two but under
> unfavorable wind conditions due to direction or strength in such close
> quarters I prefer to use auxiliary power and have my sails down and packed
> away before going to the dock or maybe I am missing what auxiliary power
> means to anyone in craft not outfitted with sails…or maybe I have just
> become more of a whimp and less of a purest as I grew older…hell I even
> prefer auxiliary power when tieing up to a mooring in a crowded mooring
> field and sailing off a mooring in a crowded field in some wind conditions
> can also be tricky and unnecessarily risky
>
>
>
> Dwight Veinot
>
> C&C 35MKII, Alianna
>
> Head of St. Margaret's Bay, NS
>
>
>  --
>
> *From:* CnC-List [mailto:cnc-list-boun...@cnc-list.com] *On Behalf Of *Russ
> & Melody via CnC-List
> *Sent:* August 28, 2014 1:47 AM
> *To:* Marek Dziedzic; cnc-list@cnc-list.com
> *Subject:* Re: Stus-List Engine Sound Insulation - Go Without an engine?
>
>
>
>
> In my olden days as a member of the Yacht Club's Executive Committee,
> business was brought forth to propose that sailboats must use engines in
> the marina (or something to that effect).  I pointed out that engines are
> auxiliary power on sailboats and if we are to endorse this business I will
> push that ALL vessels operating in the marina are required to use auxiliary
> power.
>
> That was the end of discussion.
>
> Good times.
>
> Cheers, Russ
> *Sweet *35-1
>
>
>
>
> At 07:42 PM 27/08/2014, you wrote:
>
>
>  In the olden days, when I was getting my skippers certificate, we had to
> do all the manoeuvres, including getting in and out of the slip, without
> the use of the engine (and then again using it). But that art is gone. Now,
> if I tried to dock under sail there would be a crowd with pitchforks
> awaiting me on the dock (possibly with some boiling tar and a few (Canada)
> gees on the side).
>
> Marek
>
> *From:* CnC-List [mailto:cnc-list-boun...@cnc-list.com
> ] *On Behalf Of *Aaron Rouhi via CnC-List
> *Sent:* Wednesday, August 27, 2014 7:33 PM
> *To:* Jerome Tauber; cnc-list@cnc-list.com
> *Subject:* Re: Stus-List Engine Sound Insulation - Go Without?
>
> Under the watchful and at times frightened eyes of my neighbors, I have
> been routinely sailing into the slip without turning on the good 2QM.
>
> Phase II: Learn how to get out of the slip under sail...
>
> Cheers,
> Aaron R.
> 1979 30-MK1
> Annapolis, MD
>
> On Aug 27, 2014, at 4:09 PM, "Jerome Tauber via CnC-List" <
> cnc-list@cnc-list.com> wrote:
>
> I thought C&C owners only use their engines to get in and out of
> docks. Jerry. C&C 27v J&J
>
> Sent from my iPhone
>
> On Aug 27, 2014, at 3:00 PM, David via CnC-List 
> wrote:
>
> Curious...is all the effort worth it?
>
> David F. Risch
>
> 1981 40-2
>
> (401) 419-4650 (cell)
>  --
>
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Re: Stus-List Engine Sound Insulation - Go Without an engine?

[Della Barba, Joe via CnC-List]

We did have some fun sailing into our slip in Ego Alley (downtown Annapolis). 
My brother was visiting and wanted to go for a sail despite the engine being 
taken apart for repairs. While we were out the wind shifted so that returning 
would be a dead run down the fairway. If we missed the slip you have a dead end 
and no chance to beat back out  in anything bigger than a Laser. So we are 
headed in and getting ready to roll the last bit of jib in when a powerboat 
lays on the gas, goes around us, and starts going into OUR slip! I am not 
normally a screamer but I was using some language worthy of a bosun on a square 
rigger to tell the idiot what we were going to do him if he didn’t move.

Joe Della Barba
Coquina

From: CnC-List [mailto:cnc-list-boun...@cnc-list.com] On Behalf Of Marek 
Dziedzic via CnC-List
Sent: Thursday, August 28, 2014 12:39 PM
To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com
Subject: Re: Stus-List Engine Sound Insulation - Go Without an engine?

Just to make sure, I am far from advocating using sails to enter marinas. I 
think that in most cases this would be just irresponsible. And I use the engine 
every time coming in (save that one time when my outboard quit when turning 
into the fairway) or going out and when anchoring etc. And I bet that most of 
us would prefer to use the engine in a MOB situation than do it under sails 
alone.

The harbours got more crowded, the slips narrower, the skills required did not 
get better and the engines did. Not to mention that we very often sail 
shorthanded.

This does not take away from the fact that not that long ago even bigger 
vessels operated without the auxiliary power and somehow managed to do that.

Marek

From: dwight via CnC-List
Sent: Thursday, August 28, 2014 9:57 AM
To: 'Russ & Melody' ; 
cnc-list@cnc-list.com
Subject: Re: Stus-List Engine Sound Insulation - Go Without an engine?

Guess I am missing something here…maybe I don’t understand what is meant by 
“marina”.  I know it is possible to dock a 35 footer like Alianna at a “marina” 
using sails only and I have done it a time or two but under unfavorable wind 
conditions due to direction or strength in such close quarters I prefer to use 
auxiliary power and have my sails down and packed away before going to the dock 
or maybe I am missing what auxiliary power means to anyone in craft not 
outfitted with sails…or maybe I have just become more of a whimp and less of a 
purest as I grew older…hell I even prefer auxiliary power when tieing up to a 
mooring in a crowded mooring field and sailing off a mooring in a crowded field 
in some wind conditions can also be tricky and unnecessarily risky


Dwight Veinot

C&C 35MKII, Alianna

Head of St. Margaret's Bay, NS


From: CnC-List [mailto:cnc-list-boun...@cnc-list.com] On Behalf Of Russ & 
Melody via CnC-List
Sent: August 28, 2014 1:47 AM
To: Marek Dziedzic; cnc-list@cnc-list.com
Subject: Re: Stus-List Engine Sound Insulation - Go Without an engine?


In my olden days as a member of the Yacht Club's Executive Committee, business 
was brought forth to propose that sailboats must use engines in the marina (or 
something to that effect).  I pointed out that engines are auxiliary power on 
sailboats and if we are to endorse this business I will push that ALL vessels 
operating in the marina are required to use auxiliary power.

That was the end of discussion.

Good times.

Cheers, Russ
Sweet 35-1




At 07:42 PM 27/08/2014, you wrote:

In the olden days, when I was getting my skippers certificate, we had to do all 
the manoeuvres, including getting in and out of the slip, without the use of 
the engine (and then again using it). But that art is gone. Now, if I tried to 
dock under sail there would be a crowd with pitchforks awaiting me on the dock 
(possibly with some boiling tar and a few (Canada) gees on the side).

Marek

From: CnC-List [mailto:cnc-list-boun...@cnc-list.com] On Behalf Of Aaron Rouhi 
via CnC-List
Sent: Wednesday, August 27, 2014 7:33 PM
To: Jerome Tauber; cnc-list@cnc-list.com
Subject: Re: Stus-List Engine Sound Insulation - Go Without?

Under the watchful and at times frightened eyes of my neighbors, I have been 
routinely sailing into the slip without turning on the good 2QM.

Phase II: Learn how to get out of the slip under sail...

Cheers,
Aaron R.
1979 30-MK1
Annapolis, MD

On Aug 27, 2014, at 4:09 PM, "Jerome Tauber via CnC-List" 
mailto:cnc-list@cnc-list.com>> wrote:
I thought C&C owners only use their engines to get in and out of docks. 
Jerry. C&C 27v J&J
Sent from my iPhone
On Aug 27, 2014, at 3:00 PM, David via CnC-List 
mailto:cnc-list@cnc-list.com>> wrote:
Curious...is all the effort worth it?
David F. Risch
1981 40-2
(401) 419-4650 (cell)

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Re: Stus-List Engine Sound Insulation - Go Without an engine?

[Marek Dziedzic via CnC-List]

Just to make sure, I am far from advocating using sails to enter marinas. I 
think that in most cases this would be just irresponsible. And I use the engine 
every time coming in (save that one time when my outboard quit when turning 
into the fairway) or going out and when anchoring etc. And I bet that most of 
us would prefer to use the engine in a MOB situation than do it under sails 
alone.

The harbours got more crowded, the slips narrower, the skills required did not 
get better and the engines did. Not to mention that we very often sail 
shorthanded.

This does not take away from the fact that not that long ago even bigger 
vessels operated without the auxiliary power and somehow managed to do that.

Marek

From: dwight via CnC-List 
Sent: Thursday, August 28, 2014 9:57 AM
To: 'Russ & Melody' ; cnc-list@cnc-list.com 
Subject: Re: Stus-List Engine Sound Insulation - Go Without an engine?

Guess I am missing something here…maybe I don’t understand what is meant by 
“marina”.  I know it is possible to dock a 35 footer like Alianna at a “marina” 
using sails only and I have done it a time or two but under unfavorable wind 
conditions due to direction or strength in such close quarters I prefer to use 
auxiliary power and have my sails down and packed away before going to the dock 
or maybe I am missing what auxiliary power means to anyone in craft not 
outfitted with sails…or maybe I have just become more of a whimp and less of a 
purest as I grew older…hell I even prefer auxiliary power when tieing up to a 
mooring in a crowded mooring field and sailing off a mooring in a crowded field 
in some wind conditions can also be tricky and unnecessarily risky

 

Dwight Veinot

C&C 35MKII, Alianna

Head of St. Margaret's Bay, NS

 




From: CnC-List [mailto:cnc-list-boun...@cnc-list.com] On Behalf Of Russ & 
Melody via CnC-List
Sent: August 28, 2014 1:47 AM
To: Marek Dziedzic; cnc-list@cnc-list.com
Subject: Re: Stus-List Engine Sound Insulation - Go Without an engine?

 


In my olden days as a member of the Yacht Club's Executive Committee, business 
was brought forth to propose that sailboats must use engines in the marina (or 
something to that effect).  I pointed out that engines are auxiliary power on 
sailboats and if we are to endorse this business I will push that ALL vessels 
operating in the marina are required to use auxiliary power. 

That was the end of discussion.

Good times.

Cheers, Russ
Sweet 35-1




At 07:42 PM 27/08/2014, you wrote:




In the olden days, when I was getting my skippers certificate, we had to do all 
the manoeuvres, including getting in and out of the slip, without the use of 
the engine (and then again using it). But that art is gone. Now, if I tried to 
dock under sail there would be a crowd with pitchforks awaiting me on the dock 
(possibly with some boiling tar and a few (Canada) gees on the side).
 
Marek
 
From: CnC-List [mailto:cnc-list-boun...@cnc-list.com] On Behalf Of Aaron Rouhi 
via CnC-List
Sent: Wednesday, August 27, 2014 7:33 PM
To: Jerome Tauber; cnc-list@cnc-list.com
Subject: Re: Stus-List Engine Sound Insulation - Go Without?
 
Under the watchful and at times frightened eyes of my neighbors, I have been 
routinely sailing into the slip without turning on the good 2QM.
 
Phase II: Learn how to get out of the slip under sail...

Cheers,
Aaron R.
1979 30-MK1
Annapolis, MD

On Aug 27, 2014, at 4:09 PM, "Jerome Tauber via CnC-List" 
 wrote:

I thought C&C owners only use their engines to get in and out of docks. 
Jerry. C&C 27v J&J

Sent from my iPhone

On Aug 27, 2014, at 3:00 PM, David via CnC-List  wrote:

Curious...is all the effort worth it?

David F. Risch

1981 40-2

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Re: Stus-List Was now docking ...now getting busy

[Della Barba, Joe via CnC-List]

Well you end up with this sooner or later:
http://www.dellabarba.com/sailing/images/noah093x.JPG

Joe Della Barba
Coquina
C&C 35 MK I
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A need to set up another RESP ?

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My yanmar is a battery charger/hot water maker.
Music+  hot showers + red wine  * starry nights = .




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Re: Stus-List Ever broke the key in the ignition switch?

[Frederick G Street via CnC-List]

Where are the “Impulse Engine” and “Warp Drive” controls?

Fred Street -- Minneapolis
S/V Oceanis (1979 C&C Landfall 38) -- Bayfield, WI

On Aug 28, 2014, at 10:23 AM, Edd Schillay via CnC-List  
wrote:

> Here’s a pic of my keyless ignition panel: 
> https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/15162917/ENTERPRISE/keyless.jpg 
> 
> 
>   All the best,
> 
>   Edd

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Re: Stus-List Was now docking ...now getting busy

[Tim Sippel via CnC-List]

A need to set up another RESP ?

Tim Toronto
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My yanmar is a battery charger/hot water maker.
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Stus-List Was now docking ...now getting busy

[Robert Gallagher via CnC-List]

My yanmar is a battery charger/hot water maker.
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Re: Stus-List Was Engine Sound Insulation - Now docking

[Joel Aronson via CnC-List]

Because my boat backs to port I have found that I am better off lining up
to starboard of the centerline of the slip.  When I back down, the stern
moves to port, centering the boat in the slip.  I shift to neutral and
steer as needed.  I throw the aft spring over the designated winch so I
don't back into the dock.

When leaving the dock I tie the 2 stern lines together.  Its all or nothing
with the boat hook coming into the slip.

Joel
35/3


On Thu, Aug 28, 2014 at 11:11 AM, Rick Brass via CnC-List <
cnc-list@cnc-list.com> wrote:

> The trick to backing with a Martec folding prop is the throttle.
>
> My Martec will stop my 15000 pound 38 from 2 or 3 knots in about a boat
> length. Shift into reverse and boost the throttle to about half (1200 to
> 1500 rpm in my case). The revs hold the blades open and she will stop as
> well as she did with the 16x10 fixed prop.
>
> I back into my slip. Going forward, approach from perpendicular to the
> slip centerline and a couple of boat lengths off the outer piling. Turn out
> to intersect the slip centerline, shift to reverse and throttle up. When
> the boat has good stern way, shift to neutral and use the rudder and
> momentum to back into the slip. A blip of power in forward to stop, and
> then scurry forward to get the bow and forward spring line attached to the
> boat, then slow reverse to hold the boat into the slip and use the prop
> walk to hold her against the dock.
>
> Heck, now that I think of it, the only time I have the boat in reverse at
> idle is when I'm using the prop walk to bring the stern over to a pier or
> to turn around in a tight fairway.
>
> Rick Brass
>
> Sent from my iPad
>
> On Aug 28, 2014, at 10:17, Burt Stratton via CnC-List <
> cnc-list@cnc-list.com> wrote:
>
> Hell, It took me a few attempts at backing in under power to figure out
> that my 2-blade folding Martec prop needs half an hour head start just to
> stop my 1kt forward progress! Still trying to figure out how to account for
> and use my prop-walk. If I have a good hand with me I will sail on and off
> my mooring.
>
>
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Re: Stus-List Ever broke the key in the ignition switch?

[Edd Schillay via CnC-List]

Here’s a pic of my keyless ignition panel: 
https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/15162917/ENTERPRISE/keyless.jpg 


All the best,

Edd


Edd M. Schillay
Starship Enterprise
C&C 37+ | Sail No: NCC-1701-B
City Island, NY 
Starship Enterprise's Captain's Log

On Aug 28, 2014, at 11:18 AM, Bill Coleman via CnC-List  
wrote:

> Finally got a picture of my shortened key
>  
> Bill Coleman
> C&C 39
>  
> 
> I like the ring / shortened key idea. The pull switch is also a good idea, I 
> did try the superglue trick and it did not work for me.
> 
> -Francois Rivard
> 1990 34+ "Take Five"
> Lake Lanier, Georgia. 
> 
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Re: Stus-List Ever broke the key in the ignition switch?

[Bill Coleman via CnC-List]

Finally got a picture of my shortened key

 

Bill Coleman

C&C 39

 

KeyRing.jpg

I like the ring / shortened key idea. The pull switch is also a good idea, I
did try the superglue trick and it did not work for me. 

-Francois Rivard
1990 34+ "Take Five"
Lake Lanier, Georgia. 








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Re: Stus-List Was Engine Sound Insulation - Now docking

[Rick Brass via CnC-List]

The trick to backing with a Martec folding prop is the throttle.

My Martec will stop my 15000 pound 38 from 2 or 3 knots in about a boat length. 
Shift into reverse and boost the throttle to about half (1200 to 1500 rpm in my 
case). The revs hold the blades open and she will stop as well as she did with 
the 16x10 fixed prop.

I back into my slip. Going forward, approach from perpendicular to the slip 
centerline and a couple of boat lengths off the outer piling. Turn out to 
intersect the slip centerline, shift to reverse and throttle up. When the boat 
has good stern way, shift to neutral and use the rudder and momentum to back 
into the slip. A blip of power in forward to stop, and then scurry forward to 
get the bow and forward spring line attached to the boat, then slow reverse to 
hold the boat into the slip and use the prop walk to hold her against the dock.

Heck, now that I think of it, the only time I have the boat in reverse at idle 
is when I'm using the prop walk to bring the stern over to a pier or to turn 
around in a tight fairway.

Rick Brass

Sent from my iPad

> On Aug 28, 2014, at 10:17, Burt Stratton via CnC-List  
> wrote:
> 
> Hell, It took me a few attempts at backing in under power to figure out that 
> my 2-blade folding Martec prop needs half an hour head start just to stop my 
> 1kt forward progress! Still trying to figure out how to account for and use 
> my prop-walk. If I have a good hand with me I will sail on and off my mooring.
>  
> 
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Re: Stus-List Engine Sound Insulation - Go Without?

[Rick Brass via CnC-List]

I back my 38 into her slip, so I've only sailed her into her slip one time - 
and that was bow first. Actually that was pretty easy since her slip was the 
last one on the pier.

I've never tried backing a sailboat under sail. I used to be totally awed when 
the big AC boats would come head to wind during a pre-start and back up for a 
boat length or two to gain a starting advantage.

I've sailed the 25 on and off moorings and into her slip for years. It's all in 
the preparation and timing. Folks on the dock either think you are crazy and 
dangerous - or a REALLY good sailor.

I do occasionally sail the 25 out of the slip, but only when the wind is just 
right: moderate to light and from a broad reach to a run as I sail down the 
fairway. Get the jib ready to hoist before leaving (mine has hanks. A roller 
would be easier) push the boat back and turn it as it leaves the slip so it is 
pointed down the fairway. Then hoist the jib and jack's your uncle.

You ought to be able to do it in a 30, but I'd not try it in anything larger. 
Too heavy and slow to accelerate to a speed where you have steerage and some 
lift from the keel. But it's sort of like getting to Carnegie Hall...Practice! 
Practice!

Rick Brass

Sent from my iPad

> On Aug 27, 2014, at 22:42, Marek Dziedzic via CnC-List 
>  wrote:
> 
> In the olden days, when I was getting my skipper’s certificate, we had to do 
> all the manoeuvres, including getting in and out of the slip, without the use 
> of the engine (and then again using it). But that art is gone. Now, if I 
> tried to dock under sail there would be a crowd with pitchforks awaiting me 
> on the dock (possibly with some boiling tar and a few (Canada) gees on the 
> side).
>  
> Marek
>  
> From: CnC-List [mailto:cnc-list-boun...@cnc-list.com] On Behalf Of Aaron 
> Rouhi via CnC-List
> Sent: Wednesday, August 27, 2014 7:33 PM
> To: Jerome Tauber; cnc-list@cnc-list.com
> Subject: Re: Stus-List Engine Sound Insulation - Go Without?
>  
> Under the watchful and at times frightened eyes of my neighbors, I have been 
> routinely sailing into the slip without turning on the good 2QM.
>  
> Phase II: Learn how to get out of the slip under sail...
> 
> Cheers,
> Aaron R.
> 1979 30-MK1
> Annapolis, MD
> 
> On Aug 27, 2014, at 4:09 PM, "Jerome Tauber via CnC-List" 
>  wrote:
> 
> I thought C&C owners only use their engines to get in and out of docks. 
> Jerry. C&C 27v J&J
> 
> Sent from my iPhone
> 
> On Aug 27, 2014, at 3:00 PM, David via CnC-List  wrote:
> 
> Curious...is all the effort worth it?
> 
> David F. Risch
> 1981 40-2
> (401) 419-4650 (cell)
> 
> 
> Date: Wed, 27 Aug 2014 11:13:12 -0700
> To: muckl...@gmail.com; cnc-list@cnc-list.com
> Subject: Re: Stus-List Engine Sound Insulation - Go Without?
> From: cnc-list@cnc-list.com
> 
> Noxudol makes a sound-deadening paint similar to Silent Running but much 
> cheaper.
> 
> Jim Watts
> Paradigm Shift
> C&C 35 Mk III
> Victoria, BC
>  
> 
> On 27 August 2014 06:50, Josh Muckley via CnC-List  
> wrote:
> The inboard side and ceiling were uninsulated on mine and when I re-did it I 
> left them uninsulated.  I used a "sound down" kit from jamestown 
> distributing.  I cut and dry fit the foam panels and used the included mylar 
> tape to seal the raw edges.  The kit came with tack down pins.  They are 
> aluminum and have a 2"x2" backer that is supposed to be nailed or screwed in 
> place   I epoxied them.  The kit also came with a spray adhesive which I 
> sprayed after the epoxy was dry.  Push the foam over the tack pins and then 
> install the mounting washers and caps.  Seal all the corners with more mylar 
> tape.  Done.
> 
> Pictures upon request.
> 
> Josh Muckley
> S/V Sea Hawk
> 1989 C&C 37+
> Solomons, MD
> 
> On Aug 26, 2014 12:32 PM, "Robert Hrabinsky via CnC-List" 
>  wrote:
> I have replaced the old, crumbling sound insulation in the accessible parts 
> of my engine compartment with new sound insulation from West Marine. However, 
> there is almost no room on either side of my Yanmar in my 30 MKII. Getting 
> new insulation in along the sides is going to be very difficult. I am 
> contemplating just taking out the old insulation from the sides of the engine 
> compartment and going without. Does anyone think this would be a big mistake?
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Re: Stus-List Engine Sound Insulation - Go Without an engine?

[Burt Stratton via CnC-List]

Sailing into my slip is not something I am prepared to try. I'm not that
good but even if I were my marina is very tight. No need to take that kind
of risk. Hell, It took me a few attempts at backing in under power to figure
out that my 2-blade folding Martec prop needs half an hour head start just
to stop my 1kt forward progress! Still trying to figure out how to account
for and use my prop-walk. If I have a good hand with me I will sail on and
off my mooring. 

 

From: CnC-List [mailto:cnc-list-boun...@cnc-list.com] On Behalf Of Josh
Muckley via CnC-List
Sent: Thursday, August 28, 2014 10:07 AM
To: dwight; C&C List
Subject: Re: Stus-List Engine Sound Insulation - Go Without an engine?

 

Nobody is faulting the use of an engine.  It is just funny seeing people get
upset about sailboats sailing instead of using their "auxiliary" propulsion.

Arguably more people and property are damaged by improper operation of
engine propelled watercraft.

On Aug 28, 2014 9:57 AM, "dwight via CnC-List" 
wrote:

Guess I am missing something here.maybe I don't understand what is meant by
"marina".  I know it is possible to dock a 35 footer like Alianna at a
"marina" using sails only and I have done it a time or two but under
unfavorable wind conditions due to direction or strength in such close
quarters I prefer to use auxiliary power and have my sails down and packed
away before going to the dock or maybe I am missing what auxiliary power
means to anyone in craft not outfitted with sails.or maybe I have just
become more of a whimp and less of a purest as I grew older.hell I even
prefer auxiliary power when tieing up to a mooring in a crowded mooring
field and sailing off a mooring in a crowded field in some wind conditions
can also be tricky and unnecessarily risky

 

Dwight Veinot

C&C 35MKII, Alianna

Head of St. Margaret's Bay, NS

 

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From: CnC-List [mailto:cnc-list-boun...@cnc-list.com] On Behalf Of Russ &
Melody via CnC-List
Sent: August 28, 2014 1:47 AM
To: Marek Dziedzic; cnc-list@cnc-list.com
Subject: Re: Stus-List Engine Sound Insulation - Go Without an engine?

 


In my olden days as a member of the Yacht Club's Executive Committee,
business was brought forth to propose that sailboats must use engines in the
marina (or something to that effect).  I pointed out that engines are
auxiliary power on sailboats and if we are to endorse this business I will
push that ALL vessels operating in the marina are required to use auxiliary
power. 

That was the end of discussion.

Good times.

Cheers, Russ
Sweet 35-1




At 07:42 PM 27/08/2014, you wrote:



In the olden days, when I was getting my skippers certificate, we had to do
all the manoeuvres, including getting in and out of the slip, without the
use of the engine (and then again using it). But that art is gone. Now, if I
tried to dock under sail there would be a crowd with pitchforks awaiting me
on the dock (possibly with some boiling tar and a few (Canada) gees on the
side).
 
Marek
 
From: CnC-List [ mailto:cnc-list-boun...@cnc-list.com
 ] On Behalf Of Aaron Rouhi via
CnC-List
Sent: Wednesday, August 27, 2014 7:33 PM
To: Jerome Tauber; cnc-list@cnc-list.com
Subject: Re: Stus-List Engine Sound Insulation - Go Without?
 
Under the watchful and at times frightened eyes of my neighbors, I have been
routinely sailing into the slip without turning on the good 2QM.
 
Phase II: Learn how to get out of the slip under sail...

Cheers,
Aaron R.
1979 30-MK1
Annapolis, MD

On Aug 27, 2014, at 4:09 PM, "Jerome Tauber via CnC-List"
 wrote:

I thought C&C owners only use their engines to get in and out of docks.
Jerry. C&C 27v J&J

Sent from my iPhone

On Aug 27, 2014, at 3:00 PM, David via CnC-List 
wrote:

Curious...is all the effort worth it?

David F. Risch

1981 40-2

(401) 419-4650   (cell)

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Re: Stus-List Engine Sound Insulation - Go Without an engine?

[Andrew Burton via CnC-List]

I can't remember all the times I've had to sail a boat to the dock at the
end of a delivery.
It's good practice to sail your own boat in occasionally--just for fun--in
case one day you have to get in without an engine. I suspect most of the
people on this list know their boats well enough that they can do this
without too much trouble. It's most a matter of knowing how far the boat
will carry her way and how to slow down if you don't like the approach
speed. Fortunate;y we all have boats that are very maneuverable and that
accelerate quickly.
Using the boat for this sort of thing is all part of the fun and it's
immensely gratifying when you pull it off perfectly--especially in front of
an audience! :)

Andy
C&C 40
Peregrine


On Thu, Aug 28, 2014 at 10:06 AM, Josh Muckley via CnC-List <
cnc-list@cnc-list.com> wrote:

> Nobody is faulting the use of an engine.  It is just funny seeing people
> get upset about sailboats sailing instead of using their "auxiliary"
> propulsion.
>
> Arguably more people and property are damaged by improper operation of
> engine propelled watercraft.
> On Aug 28, 2014 9:57 AM, "dwight via CnC-List" 
> wrote:
>
>>   Guess I am missing something here…maybe I don’t understand what is
>> meant by “marina”.  I know it is possible to dock a 35 footer like Alianna
>> at a “marina” using sails only and I have done it a time or two but under
>> unfavorable wind conditions due to direction or strength in such close
>> quarters I prefer to use auxiliary power and have my sails down and packed
>> away before going to the dock or maybe I am missing what auxiliary power
>> means to anyone in craft not outfitted with sails…or maybe I have just
>> become more of a whimp and less of a purest as I grew older…hell I even
>> prefer auxiliary power when tieing up to a mooring in a crowded mooring
>> field and sailing off a mooring in a crowded field in some wind conditions
>> can also be tricky and unnecessarily risky
>>
>>
>>
>> Dwight Veinot
>>
>> C&C 35MKII, Alianna
>>
>> Head of St. Margaret's Bay, NS
>>
>>
>>  --
>>
>> *From:* CnC-List [mailto:cnc-list-boun...@cnc-list.com] *On Behalf Of *Russ
>> & Melody via CnC-List
>> *Sent:* August 28, 2014 1:47 AM
>> *To:* Marek Dziedzic; cnc-list@cnc-list.com
>> *Subject:* Re: Stus-List Engine Sound Insulation - Go Without an engine?
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> In my olden days as a member of the Yacht Club's Executive Committee,
>> business was brought forth to propose that sailboats must use engines in
>> the marina (or something to that effect).  I pointed out that engines are
>> auxiliary power on sailboats and if we are to endorse this business I will
>> push that ALL vessels operating in the marina are required to use auxiliary
>> power.
>>
>> That was the end of discussion.
>>
>> Good times.
>>
>> Cheers, Russ
>> *Sweet *35-1
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> At 07:42 PM 27/08/2014, you wrote:
>>
>>
>>  In the olden days, when I was getting my skippers certificate, we had
>> to do all the manoeuvres, including getting in and out of the slip, without
>> the use of the engine (and then again using it). But that art is gone. Now,
>> if I tried to dock under sail there would be a crowd with pitchforks
>> awaiting me on the dock (possibly with some boiling tar and a few (Canada)
>> gees on the side).
>>
>> Marek
>>
>> *From:* CnC-List [ mailto:cnc-list-boun...@cnc-list.com
>> ] *On Behalf Of *Aaron Rouhi via CnC-List
>> *Sent:* Wednesday, August 27, 2014 7:33 PM
>> *To:* Jerome Tauber; cnc-list@cnc-list.com
>> *Subject:* Re: Stus-List Engine Sound Insulation - Go Without?
>>
>> Under the watchful and at times frightened eyes of my neighbors, I have
>> been routinely sailing into the slip without turning on the good 2QM.
>>
>> Phase II: Learn how to get out of the slip under sail...
>>
>> Cheers,
>> Aaron R.
>> 1979 30-MK1
>> Annapolis, MD
>>
>> On Aug 27, 2014, at 4:09 PM, "Jerome Tauber via CnC-List" <
>> cnc-list@cnc-list.com> wrote:
>>
>> I thought C&C owners only use their engines to get in and out of
>> docks. Jerry. C&C 27v J&J
>>
>> Sent from my iPhone
>>
>> On Aug 27, 2014, at 3:00 PM, David via CnC-List 
>> wrote:
>>
>> Curious...is all the effort worth it?
>>
>> David F. Risch
>>
>> 1981 40-2
>>
>> (401) 419-4650 (cell)
>>  --
>>
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Re: Stus-List Engine Sound Insulation - Go Without an engine?

[Della Barba, Joe via CnC-List]

My marina has a narrow entrance channel and I need to do two 90 degree turn to 
get into my slip. I can sail in, or I can sail out, but I can't recall ever 
being able to do both in the same day. My worst day with no engine was coming 
home from Baltimore in November. It was cold, it was rough, the wind was 
hitting 30 knots, and the old engine had gone down for the count. I also had 
the flu and a temperature of about 101, so I was not running full speed myself. 
I managed to snag a mooring in Annapolis on the first pass and collapsed with 
relief in the cockpit. Now I just need to call my wife for a ride home and call 
the water taxi for a ride to the dock. Step 1 went fine but step 2 resulted in 
their main office answering and telling me the water taxi got taken out of the 
water a few days ago and wouldn't be launched until spring! Arghhh!! Eventually 
I hitched a ride from a passing boat and tried not to cough on them.

Joe Della Barba
Coquina
C&C 35 MK I
From: CnC-List [mailto:cnc-list-boun...@cnc-list.com] On Behalf Of Josh Muckley 
via CnC-List
Sent: Thursday, August 28, 2014 10:07 AM
To: dwight; C&C List
Subject: Re: Stus-List Engine Sound Insulation - Go Without an engine?


Nobody is faulting the use of an engine.  It is just funny seeing people get 
upset about sailboats sailing instead of using their "auxiliary" propulsion.

Arguably more people and property are damaged by improper operation of engine 
propelled watercraft.
On Aug 28, 2014 9:57 AM, "dwight via CnC-List" 
mailto:cnc-list@cnc-list.com>> wrote:
Guess I am missing something here...maybe I don't understand what is meant by 
"marina".  I know it is possible to dock a 35 footer like Alianna at a "marina" 
using sails only and I have done it a time or two but under unfavorable wind 
conditions due to direction or strength in such close quarters I prefer to use 
auxiliary power and have my sails down and packed away before going to the dock 
or maybe I am missing what auxiliary power means to anyone in craft not 
outfitted with sails...or maybe I have just become more of a whimp and less of 
a purest as I grew older...hell I even prefer auxiliary power when tieing up to 
a mooring in a crowded mooring field and sailing off a mooring in a crowded 
field in some wind conditions can also be tricky and unnecessarily risky


Dwight Veinot

C&C 35MKII, Alianna

Head of St. Margaret's Bay, NS


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[mailto:cnc-list-boun...@cnc-list.com] On 
Behalf Of Russ & Melody via CnC-List
Sent: August 28, 2014 1:47 AM
To: Marek Dziedzic; cnc-list@cnc-list.com
Subject: Re: Stus-List Engine Sound Insulation - Go Without an engine?


In my olden days as a member of the Yacht Club's Executive Committee, business 
was brought forth to propose that sailboats must use engines in the marina (or 
something to that effect).  I pointed out that engines are auxiliary power on 
sailboats and if we are to endorse this business I will push that ALL vessels 
operating in the marina are required to use auxiliary power.

That was the end of discussion.

Good times.

Cheers, Russ
Sweet 35-1




At 07:42 PM 27/08/2014, you wrote:

In the olden days, when I was getting my skippers certificate, we had to do all 
the manoeuvres, including getting in and out of the slip, without the use of 
the engine (and then again using it). But that art is gone. Now, if I tried to 
dock under sail there would be a crowd with pitchforks awaiting me on the dock 
(possibly with some boiling tar and a few (Canada) gees on the side).

Marek

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via CnC-List
Sent: Wednesday, August 27, 2014 7:33 PM
To: Jerome Tauber; cnc-list@cnc-list.com
Subject: Re: Stus-List Engine Sound Insulation - Go Without?

Under the watchful and at times frightened eyes of my neighbors, I have been 
routinely sailing into the slip without turning on the good 2QM.

Phase II: Learn how to get out of the slip under sail...

Cheers,
Aaron R.
1979 30-MK1
Annapolis, MD

On Aug 27, 2014, at 4:09 PM, "Jerome Tauber via CnC-List" 
mailto:cnc-list@cnc-list.com>> wrote:
I thought C&C owners only use their engines to get in and out of docks. 
Jerry. C&C 27v J&J
Sent from my iPhone
On Aug 27, 2014, at 3:00 PM, David via CnC-List 
mailto:cnc-list@cnc-list.com>> wrote:
Curious...is all the effort worth it?
David F. Risch
1981 40-2
(401) 419-4650 (cell)

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Re: Stus-List Engine Sound Insulation - Go Without an engine?

[Josh Muckley via CnC-List]

Nobody is faulting the use of an engine.  It is just funny seeing people
get upset about sailboats sailing instead of using their "auxiliary"
propulsion.

Arguably more people and property are damaged by improper operation of
engine propelled watercraft.
On Aug 28, 2014 9:57 AM, "dwight via CnC-List" 
wrote:

>   Guess I am missing something here...maybe I don't understand what is
> meant by "marina".  I know it is possible to dock a 35 footer like Alianna
> at a "marina" using sails only and I have done it a time or two but under
> unfavorable wind conditions due to direction or strength in such close
> quarters I prefer to use auxiliary power and have my sails down and packed
> away before going to the dock or maybe I am missing what auxiliary power
> means to anyone in craft not outfitted with sails...or maybe I have just
> become more of a whimp and less of a purest as I grew older...hell I even
> prefer auxiliary power when tieing up to a mooring in a crowded mooring
> field and sailing off a mooring in a crowded field in some wind conditions
> can also be tricky and unnecessarily risky
>
>
>
> Dwight Veinot
>
> C&C 35MKII, Alianna
>
> Head of St. Margaret's Bay, NS
>
>
>  --
>
> *From:* CnC-List [mailto:cnc-list-boun...@cnc-list.com] *On Behalf Of *Russ
> & Melody via CnC-List
> *Sent:* August 28, 2014 1:47 AM
> *To:* Marek Dziedzic; cnc-list@cnc-list.com
> *Subject:* Re: Stus-List Engine Sound Insulation - Go Without an engine?
>
>
>
>
> In my olden days as a member of the Yacht Club's Executive Committee,
> business was brought forth to propose that sailboats must use engines in
> the marina (or something to that effect).  I pointed out that engines are
> auxiliary power on sailboats and if we are to endorse this business I will
> push that ALL vessels operating in the marina are required to use auxiliary
> power.
>
> That was the end of discussion.
>
> Good times.
>
> Cheers, Russ
> *Sweet *35-1
>
>
>
>
> At 07:42 PM 27/08/2014, you wrote:
>
>
>  In the olden days, when I was getting my skippers certificate, we had to
> do all the manoeuvres, including getting in and out of the slip, without
> the use of the engine (and then again using it). But that art is gone. Now,
> if I tried to dock under sail there would be a crowd with pitchforks
> awaiting me on the dock (possibly with some boiling tar and a few (Canada)
> gees on the side).
>
> Marek
>
> *From:* CnC-List [ mailto:cnc-list-boun...@cnc-list.com
> ] *On Behalf Of *Aaron Rouhi via CnC-List
> *Sent:* Wednesday, August 27, 2014 7:33 PM
> *To:* Jerome Tauber; cnc-list@cnc-list.com
> *Subject:* Re: Stus-List Engine Sound Insulation - Go Without?
>
> Under the watchful and at times frightened eyes of my neighbors, I have
> been routinely sailing into the slip without turning on the good 2QM.
>
> Phase II: Learn how to get out of the slip under sail...
>
> Cheers,
> Aaron R.
> 1979 30-MK1
> Annapolis, MD
>
> On Aug 27, 2014, at 4:09 PM, "Jerome Tauber via CnC-List" <
> cnc-list@cnc-list.com> wrote:
>
> I thought C&C owners only use their engines to get in and out of
> docks. Jerry. C&C 27v J&J
>
> Sent from my iPhone
>
> On Aug 27, 2014, at 3:00 PM, David via CnC-List 
> wrote:
>
> Curious...is all the effort worth it?
>
> David F. Risch
>
> 1981 40-2
>
> (401) 419-4650 (cell)
>  --
>
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Re: Stus-List Engine Sound Insulation - Go Without an engine?

[dwight via CnC-List]

Guess I am missing something here.maybe I don't understand what is meant by
"marina".  I know it is possible to dock a 35 footer like Alianna at a
"marina" using sails only and I have done it a time or two but under
unfavorable wind conditions due to direction or strength in such close
quarters I prefer to use auxiliary power and have my sails down and packed
away before going to the dock or maybe I am missing what auxiliary power
means to anyone in craft not outfitted with sails.or maybe I have just
become more of a whimp and less of a purest as I grew older.hell I even
prefer auxiliary power when tieing up to a mooring in a crowded mooring
field and sailing off a mooring in a crowded field in some wind conditions
can also be tricky and unnecessarily risky

 

Dwight Veinot

C&C 35MKII, Alianna

Head of St. Margaret's Bay, NS

 

  _  

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Melody via CnC-List
Sent: August 28, 2014 1:47 AM
To: Marek Dziedzic; cnc-list@cnc-list.com
Subject: Re: Stus-List Engine Sound Insulation - Go Without an engine?

 


In my olden days as a member of the Yacht Club's Executive Committee,
business was brought forth to propose that sailboats must use engines in the
marina (or something to that effect).  I pointed out that engines are
auxiliary power on sailboats and if we are to endorse this business I will
push that ALL vessels operating in the marina are required to use auxiliary
power. 

That was the end of discussion.

Good times.

Cheers, Russ
Sweet 35-1




At 07:42 PM 27/08/2014, you wrote:




In the olden days, when I was getting my skippers certificate, we had to do
all the manoeuvres, including getting in and out of the slip, without the
use of the engine (and then again using it). But that art is gone. Now, if I
tried to dock under sail there would be a crowd with pitchforks awaiting me
on the dock (possibly with some boiling tar and a few (Canada) gees on the
side).
 
Marek
 
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mailto:cnc-list-boun...@cnc-list.com] On Behalf Of Aaron Rouhi via CnC-List
Sent: Wednesday, August 27, 2014 7:33 PM
To: Jerome Tauber; cnc-list@cnc-list.com
Subject: Re: Stus-List Engine Sound Insulation - Go Without?
 
Under the watchful and at times frightened eyes of my neighbors, I have been
routinely sailing into the slip without turning on the good 2QM.
 
Phase II: Learn how to get out of the slip under sail...

Cheers,
Aaron R.
1979 30-MK1
Annapolis, MD

On Aug 27, 2014, at 4:09 PM, "Jerome Tauber via CnC-List"
 wrote:

I thought C&C owners only use their engines to get in and out of docks.
Jerry. C&C 27v J&J

Sent from my iPhone

On Aug 27, 2014, at 3:00 PM, David via CnC-List 
wrote:

Curious...is all the effort worth it?

David F. Risch

1981 40-2

(401) 419-4650 (cell)

  _  

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Re: Stus-List Engine Sound Insulation - Go Without an engine?

[Josh Muckley via CnC-List]

Nice!
On Aug 28, 2014 12:46 AM, "Russ & Melody via CnC-List" <
cnc-list@cnc-list.com> wrote:

>
> In my olden days as a member of the Yacht Club's Executive Committee,
> business was brought forth to propose that sailboats must use engines in
> the marina (or something to that effect).  I pointed out that engines are
> auxiliary power on sailboats and if we are to endorse this business I will
> push that ALL vessels operating in the marina are required to use auxiliary
> power.
>
> That was the end of discussion.
>
> Good times.
>
> Cheers, Russ
> *Sweet *35-1
>
>
>
>
> At 07:42 PM 27/08/2014, you wrote:
>
> In the olden days, when I was getting my skippers certificate, we had to
> do all the manoeuvres, including getting in and out of the slip, without
> the use of the engine (and then again using it). But that art is gone. Now,
> if I tried to dock under sail there would be a crowd with pitchforks
> awaiting me on the dock (possibly with some boiling tar and a few (Canada)
> gees on the side).
>
> Marek
>
> *From:* CnC-List [ mailto:cnc-list-boun...@cnc-list.com
> ] *On Behalf Of *Aaron Rouhi via CnC-List
> *Sent:* Wednesday, August 27, 2014 7:33 PM
> *To:* Jerome Tauber; cnc-list@cnc-list.com
> *Subject:* Re: Stus-List Engine Sound Insulation - Go Without?
>
> Under the watchful and at times frightened eyes of my neighbors, I have
> been routinely sailing into the slip without turning on the good 2QM.
>
> Phase II: Learn how to get out of the slip under sail...
>
> Cheers,
> Aaron R.
> 1979 30-MK1
> Annapolis, MD
>
> On Aug 27, 2014, at 4:09 PM, "Jerome Tauber via CnC-List" <
> cnc-list@cnc-list.com> wrote:
>  I thought C&C owners only use their engines to get in and out of
> docks. Jerry. C&C 27v J&J
>
> Sent from my iPhone
>
> On Aug 27, 2014, at 3:00 PM, David via CnC-List 
> wrote:
>  Curious...is all the effort worth it?
>
> David F. Risch
> 1981 40-2
> (401) 419-4650 (cell)
>
>
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