Re: Stus-List Source for long stainless/brass screws

[Josh Muckley via CnC-List]

Screws, 18-8 Stainless Steel, Square-Drive, Number 12 Size, 6" Long

https://www.mcmaster.com/9A633

Josh Muckley
S/V Sea Hawk
1989 C&C 37+
Solomons, MD

On Fri, May 22, 2020, 21:14 David Morris via CnC-List 
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> I’m having difficulty finding a supplier of the 6” screws - preferably
> stainless, but will settle for brass - to re-install the interior and
> exterior handrails on our C&C 30 MKI. I’m not sure if they are a no. 10 or
> 12. Recommendations would be much appreciated, preferably in Canada.
>
>
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Stus-List Source for long stainless/brass screws

[David Morris via CnC-List]

I'm having difficulty finding a supplier of the 6" screws - preferably
stainless, but will settle for brass - to re-install the interior and
exterior handrails on our C&C 30 MKI. I'm not sure if they are a no. 10 or
12. Recommendations would be much appreciated, preferably in Canada. 

 

David J. Morris, MBA
President, D.J. Morris & Associates Ltd.
24 St. Paul's Place, Kingston, ON  K7M 7S3

Tel. 613-531-4429
email:   djmor...@djma-ltd.com
Member: Canadian Freelance Guild

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Re: Stus-List Butyl tape

[dwight veinot via CnC-List]

Clean the excess off its easy to do

On Fri, May 22, 2020 at 9:23 AM Bailey White via CnC-List <
cnc-list@cnc-list.com> wrote:

> I’ve learned about butyl tape from my C&C and have been happy with its
> waterproofing, but I have an issue with butyl where I would welcome
> advice.
>
> I tend to try to be very careful with waterproofing any deck penetrations
> and end up with a bit of butyl tape exposed around the edges of the
> hardware, handrail, etc where it meets the deck.  Someone eventually sits
> on or near the hardware and manages to get a bit of tape on his or more
> likely, her, clothes.
>
> Any advice?
>
> Bailey White
> C&C 36
> Lake Lanier
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Re: Stus-List Favorite deck cleaner/recipe?

[Bill Coleman via CnC-List]

I gave my buddy some Wet and Forget to experiment with, and had excellent 
results.

Just spray and forget.

 

Bill Coleman

 

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Sent: Friday, May 22, 2020 12:46 PM
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Subject: Re: Stus-List Favorite deck cleaner/recipe?

 

I have been very successful with a scrub brush and garden hose nozzle.  We run 
public sailing charters so keeping the boat clean is a pretty high priority.  
Between the the birds and the pollen I'm down there everyday before the first 
customer arrives.  I pre-wet the deck all over and then circle back and spray 
clean.  That which needs a little more gets the brush.  I'm a mix of OEM 
gel-coat and kiwi grip.  If a detergent is absolutely necessary I tend towards 
simple green.  If stain fighting is a must I'll turn to straight but judicious 
bleach.  We had a customer spill red wine all over some control lines, 
gel-coat, and kiwi grip.  We rinsed it promptly but a very large purple stain 
persisted.  They were excruciatingly apologetic but I told them that the birds 
stain the boat all the time and that they shouldn't worry about it.  By the 
following weekend all traces of the stain had been bleached out by the sun with 
absolutely no additional effort or environmental impact on my part.  Yes 
various cleaners may get the deck an additional bit cleaner than water and 
scrubbing but in a matter of days the elements bring it right back to baseline.

 

I do suggest considering the use of wood's wax.  If nothing else it leaves a 
nice touch to the surfaces which then also seem to not chalk as much.  It is 
supposed to protect and make cleaning easier though I haven't had a side by 
side control boat for scientific evaluation.

 

Josh Muckley 

S/V Sea Hawk 

1989 C&C 37+

Solomons, MD 

 

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wrote:

That time of year in the NE...

Sent from my Android. Please forgive typos. Thank you. 

 

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Re: Stus-List Favorite deck cleaner/recipe?

[Shawn Wright via CnC-List]

I used Dawn (green) this week simply because the stuff our club buys has
run out (they buy a 45g drum for $800, it is enviro safe and *very*
effective and concentrated, like one tsp in a bucket is plenty). The Dawn
seemed to work fairly well, but definitely not as concentrated as the good
stuff. The drum is gone, so I don't know what it's called. My deck and hull
are painted, and I've found if I use anything stronger like Spray 9 or
Simple Green, it will leave streaks on the red hull paint.


--
Shawn Wright
shawngwri...@gmail.com
S/V Callisto, 1974 C&C 35
https://www.facebook.com/SVCallisto


On Fri, May 22, 2020 at 11:23 AM Bruce McKenzie via CnC-List <
cnc-list@cnc-list.com> wrote:

> Dawn dish detergent (blue), medium-bristle brush.  Works great.
> On 5/22/20 12:46 PM, Josh Muckley via CnC-List wrote:
>
> I have been very successful with a scrub brush and garden hose nozzle.  We
> run public sailing charters so keeping the boat clean is a pretty high
> priority.  Between the the birds and the pollen I'm down there everyday
> before the first customer arrives.  I pre-wet the deck all over and then
> circle back and spray clean.  That which needs a little more gets the
> brush.  I'm a mix of OEM gel-coat and kiwi grip.  If a detergent is
> absolutely necessary I tend towards simple green.  If stain fighting is a
> must I'll turn to straight but judicious bleach.  We had a customer spill
> red wine all over some control lines, gel-coat, and kiwi grip.  We rinsed
> it promptly but a very large purple stain persisted.  They were
> excruciatingly apologetic but I told them that the birds stain the boat all
> the time and that they shouldn't worry about it.  By the following weekend
> all traces of the stain had been bleached out by the sun with absolutely no
> additional effort or environmental impact on my part.  Yes various cleaners
> may get the deck an additional bit cleaner than water and scrubbing but in
> a matter of days the elements bring it right back to baseline.
>
> I do suggest considering the use of wood's wax.  If nothing else it leaves
> a nice touch to the surfaces which then also seem to not chalk as much.  It
> is supposed to protect and make cleaning easier though I haven't had a side
> by side control boat for scientific evaluation.
>
> Josh Muckley
> S/V Sea Hawk
> 1989 C&C 37+
> Solomons, MD
>
> On Fri, May 22, 2020, 11:43 David Risch via CnC-List <
> cnc-list@cnc-list.com> wrote:
>
>> That time of year in the NE...
>>
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Stus-List Favorite deck cleaner/recipe?

[Francois Rivard via CnC-List]

Hi David,

How about your boat's deck self-bleaching / cleaning every time it rains?

That's pretty much where mine is these days.  I give it a bleach / Woody's
wax in the spring and another one in the fall.  Beyond that I rinse  the
deck once a month or two and clean the black streaks every month or two,
they are very light and that takes about 20 minutes all together using Star
Bright Streak remover.  That's it.

How's that possible?

I've been doing a pretty heavy handed application of Comet / Bartender's
friend powdered bleach scrubbed in with coarse scrub brushes 2 or 3 times a
year since I got the boat 8 years ago.

 This was not done on purpose but the bleach seems to have worked it's way
into the somewhat porous original gelcoat substrate of the deck, and now
every time it rains, some bleach oozes back out and the combination with
southern sunshine bleaches the works for me :-)

I also do a finish clean / wax using Woody's Wax products twice a year
right after I'm done bleaching.  Not sure if it's the combination or the
bleach itself but it works.

This year we had a pretty heavy deposit of yellow pollen and it got stuck
under my steering assembly / on the cockpit sub-floor and the drainage
created a noticeable yellow streak on my stern.  I worked on the boat last
weekend and serviced the steering system /  cleaned everything in the area
but didn't have enough time to address the yellow streaks. Similarly, I had
enough time to quickly rinse off the deck / remove tree crud and pollen but
not enough to bleach it.

I was planning on bleaching this weekend but when I went to practice my
racing crew on Tuesday night I found the that the yellow streak was gone
and most of the deck is Lilly white pristine!  Best I can surmise the heavy
rains from Sunday / Monday night and bright sunshine during the day
bleached it from me. Go figure.  All it needs now is a few touches of
bleach + The regular Woody's wax and we're good to go 'till October :-)

https://www.westmarine.com/search?Ntt=Woody%27s+wax+cleaner

Good luck with the project!

Best Regards,

Francois Rivard
1990 34+ "Take Five"
Lake Lanier, GA
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Re: Stus-List APS is closing

[Dave Godwin via CnC-List]

Shame really. It’s just a block away from my yacht club and I used to walk over 
all the time to purchase stuff, often as an emergency purchase before a race.

Dave Godwin
1982 C&C 37 - Ronin
Reedville - Chesapeake Bay
Ronin’s Overdue Refit 

> On May 22, 2020, at 1:25 PM, Chuck Gilchrest via CnC-List 
>  wrote:
> 
> Agreed.  As I also did a bit of one design racing over the past 10 or so 
> years in Lasers and Etchells, APS was one of the few one stop dealers on the 
> East Coast where you could buy hard and soft goods.  I don’t know how much 
> the SNAFU with Laser Performance hurt their ability to service the small boat 
> market which was a high percentage of their hardware business.
> 
>  In a letter sent out to customers and vendors, their owner said the 
> transition to strictly soft goods was going great but that the timing of the 
> pandemic didn’t allow them to generate sufficient income to pay for inventory 
> purchased in the fall and keep the business afloat.  Just goes to show you 
> how fragile the rec marine market can be.  Seems like every economic downturn 
> claims a few good boat builders and businesses.  So don’t buy marine products 
> at Amazon if you want your local chandleries to stay in business.
> 
> Chuck Gilchrest 
> 
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Re: Stus-List Favorite deck cleaner/recipe?

[Bruce McKenzie via CnC-List]

Dawn dish detergent (blue), medium-bristle brush.  Works great.

On 5/22/20 12:46 PM, Josh Muckley via CnC-List wrote:
I have been very successful with a scrub brush and garden hose 
nozzle.  We run public sailing charters so keeping the boat clean is a 
pretty high priority.  Between the the birds and the pollen I'm down 
there everyday before the first customer arrives.  I pre-wet the deck 
all over and then circle back and spray clean.  That which needs a 
little more gets the brush. I'm a mix of OEM gel-coat and kiwi grip.  
If a detergent is absolutely necessary I tend towards simple green.  
If stain fighting is a must I'll turn to straight but judicious 
bleach. We had a customer spill red wine all over some control lines, 
gel-coat, and kiwi grip.  We rinsed it promptly but a very large 
purple stain persisted.  They were excruciatingly apologetic but I 
told them that the birds stain the boat all the time and that they 
shouldn't worry about it.  By the following weekend all traces of the 
stain had been bleached out by the sun with absolutely no additional 
effort or environmental impact on my part.  Yes various cleaners may 
get the deck an additional bit cleaner than water and scrubbing but in 
a matter of days the elements bring it right back to baseline.


I do suggest considering the use of wood's wax. If nothing else it 
leaves a nice touch to the surfaces which then also seem to not chalk 
as much.  It is supposed to protect and make cleaning easier though I 
haven't had a side by side control boat for scientific evaluation.


Josh Muckley
S/V Sea Hawk
1989 C&C 37+
Solomons, MD

On Fri, May 22, 2020, 11:43 David Risch via CnC-List 
mailto:cnc-list@cnc-list.com>> wrote:


That time of year in the NE...

Sent from my Android. Please forgive typos. Thank you.

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Re: Stus-List APS is closing

[Dennis C. via CnC-List]

So who are folks using for specialty running rigging?  Like two part or
stripped halyards and/or sheets.

I bought several things from APS in the past.  I haven't needed any since
they shut down their rigging shop but might in the future.
-- 
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Touche' 35-1 #83
Mandeville, LA
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Re: Stus-List APS is closing

[Neil Andersen via CnC-List]

What’s the web site?

Neil Andersen
20691 Jamieson Rd
Rock Hall, MD 21661
484-354-8800

From: CnC-List  on behalf of Chuck Gilchrest via 
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Sent: Friday, May 22, 2020 1:25:31 PM
To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com 
Cc: Chuck Gilchrest 
Subject: Re: Stus-List APS is closing

Agreed.  As I also did a bit of one design racing over the past 10 or so years 
in Lasers and Etchells, APS was one of the few one stop dealers on the East 
Coast where you could buy hard and soft goods.  I don’t know how much the SNAFU 
with Laser Performance hurt their ability to service the small boat market 
which was a high percentage of their hardware business.

  In a letter sent out to customers and vendors, their owner said the 
transition to strictly soft goods was going great but that the timing of the 
pandemic didn’t allow them to generate sufficient income to pay for inventory 
purchased in the fall and keep the business afloat.  Just goes to show you how 
fragile the rec marine market can be.  Seems like every economic downturn 
claims a few good boat builders and businesses.  So don’t buy marine products 
at Amazon if you want your local chandleries to stay in business.

Chuck Gilchrest

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Re: Stus-List APS is closing

[Chuck Gilchrest via CnC-List]

Agreed.  As I also did a bit of one design racing over the past 10 or so years 
in Lasers and Etchells, APS was one of the few one stop dealers on the East 
Coast where you could buy hard and soft goods.  I don’t know how much the SNAFU 
with Laser Performance hurt their ability to service the small boat market 
which was a high percentage of their hardware business.

  In a letter sent out to customers and vendors, their owner said the 
transition to strictly soft goods was going great but that the timing of the 
pandemic didn’t allow them to generate sufficient income to pay for inventory 
purchased in the fall and keep the business afloat.  Just goes to show you how 
fragile the rec marine market can be.  Seems like every economic downturn 
claims a few good boat builders and businesses.  So don’t buy marine products 
at Amazon if you want your local chandleries to stay in business.

Chuck Gilchrest 

> 


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Re: Stus-List Favorite deck cleaner/recipe?

[Larry via CnC-List]

Grease 
Elbow that is.  LOL 
I use a small electric, low pressure washer, set on med fan. 99% come up. A 
white cleaning pad and small scrub brush for stubborn areas. Very seldom do I 
use a cleaner. I do this 4 times a year. Brush and hose routinely. 
Cleaner wax twice a year on deck and hull.

Sent from my iPhone

> On May 22, 2020, at 9:47 AM, Josh Muckley via CnC-List 
>  wrote:
> 
> 
> I have been very successful with a scrub brush and garden hose nozzle.  We 
> run public sailing charters so keeping the boat clean is a pretty high 
> priority.  Between the the birds and the pollen I'm down there everyday 
> before the first customer arrives.  I pre-wet the deck all over and then 
> circle back and spray clean.  That which needs a little more gets the brush.  
> I'm a mix of OEM gel-coat and kiwi grip.  If a detergent is absolutely 
> necessary I tend towards simple green.  If stain fighting is a must I'll turn 
> to straight but judicious bleach.  We had a customer spill red wine all over 
> some control lines, gel-coat, and kiwi grip.  We rinsed it promptly but a 
> very large purple stain persisted.  They were excruciatingly apologetic but I 
> told them that the birds stain the boat all the time and that they shouldn't 
> worry about it.  By the following weekend all traces of the stain had been 
> bleached out by the sun with absolutely no additional effort or environmental 
> impact on my part.  Yes various cleaners may get the deck an additional bit 
> cleaner than water and scrubbing but in a matter of days the elements bring 
> it right back to baseline.
> 
> I do suggest considering the use of wood's wax.  If nothing else it leaves a 
> nice touch to the surfaces which then also seem to not chalk as much.  It is 
> supposed to protect and make cleaning easier though I haven't had a side by 
> side control boat for scientific evaluation.
> 
> Josh Muckley 
> S/V Sea Hawk 
> 1989 C&C 37+
> Solomons, MD 
> 
>> On Fri, May 22, 2020, 11:43 David Risch via CnC-List  
>> wrote:
>> That time of year in the NE...
>> 
>> Sent from my Android. Please forgive typos. Thank you.
>> 
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Re: Stus-List Favorite deck cleaner/recipe?

[Josh Muckley via CnC-List]

I have been very successful with a scrub brush and garden hose nozzle.  We
run public sailing charters so keeping the boat clean is a pretty high
priority.  Between the the birds and the pollen I'm down there everyday
before the first customer arrives.  I pre-wet the deck all over and then
circle back and spray clean.  That which needs a little more gets the
brush.  I'm a mix of OEM gel-coat and kiwi grip.  If a detergent is
absolutely necessary I tend towards simple green.  If stain fighting is a
must I'll turn to straight but judicious bleach.  We had a customer spill
red wine all over some control lines, gel-coat, and kiwi grip.  We rinsed
it promptly but a very large purple stain persisted.  They were
excruciatingly apologetic but I told them that the birds stain the boat all
the time and that they shouldn't worry about it.  By the following weekend
all traces of the stain had been bleached out by the sun with absolutely no
additional effort or environmental impact on my part.  Yes various cleaners
may get the deck an additional bit cleaner than water and scrubbing but in
a matter of days the elements bring it right back to baseline.

I do suggest considering the use of wood's wax.  If nothing else it leaves
a nice touch to the surfaces which then also seem to not chalk as much.  It
is supposed to protect and make cleaning easier though I haven't had a side
by side control boat for scientific evaluation.

Josh Muckley
S/V Sea Hawk
1989 C&C 37+
Solomons, MD

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> That time of year in the NE...
>
> Sent from my Android. Please forgive typos. Thank you.
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Re: Stus-List Favorite deck cleaner/recipe?

[Dennis C. via CnC-List]

For that black mold/midew, Scrubbing Bubbles Foaming Bleach (repeat:
Foaming Bleach.  Not bathroom or kitchen cleaner).  All else maybe Roll Off
cleaner.

 Dennis C.
Touche' 35-1 #83
Mandeville, LA

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> That time of year in the NE...
>
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Re: Stus-List Butyl tape

[Bill Coleman via CnC-List]

When I removed the Genoa Tracks on my 39, they had been bedded in Silicone. 
Never leaked. Put the new Harken Tracks down with Butyl, never leaked, but the 
heat would make the butyl weep out, which requires cleaning occasionally.

My Dorade boxes were originally bedded with silicone, and they were stuck as 
aggressively as 5200. That would have been 1973.  Interestingly, the teak bungs 
were also set in silicone.

 

Bill Coleman

Erie PA

 

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Sent: Thursday, May 21, 2020 11:46 PM
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Cc: cscheaffer
Subject: Stus-List Butyl tape

 

I'm rebedding deck hardware and bought Butyl Tape but I'm not convinced this is 
best for me.  Butyl has a cult following but it was not chosen by C&C during 
the build except for the hull deck joint.  I like 3M 4200 and 4000uv.  Anybody 
have opinions on Butyl being better?

 

 

 

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Re: Stus-List APS is closing

[Chuck Gilchrest via CnC-List]

As of Thursday their storefront is shut. All clearance is online..mostly 30% 
off.
Chuck Gilchrest 
Half Magic

Sent from my iPhone

> On May 22, 2020, at 12:09 PM, Joel Aronson via CnC-List 
>  wrote:
> 
> 
> All,
> 
> APS in Annapolis, which became a clothing/foul weather gear store last year, 
> is going out of business.  Everything is on sale.
> 
> I hope everyone has a safe windy weekend.
> 
> -- 
> Joel 
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Re: Stus-List APS is closing

[Josh Muckley via CnC-List]

Sad but not surprising.  They eviscerated a large base of customers who
would drive hours completely out of their way for the cordage, hardware,
and rigging services.

On Fri, May 22, 2020, 12:08 Joel Aronson via CnC-List 
wrote:

> All,
>
> APS in Annapolis, which became a clothing/foul weather gear store last
> year, is going out of business.  Everything is on sale.
>
> I hope everyone has a safe windy weekend.
>
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Re: Stus-List Favorite deck cleaner/recipe?

[Bill Dakin via CnC-List]

Powdered laundry detergent. Easy to apply evenly so long as it is not too 
windy. Be careful, it makes the deck an ice rink. Great for Kiwigrip.

Bill Dakin

> On May 22, 2020, at 10:43 AM, David Risch via CnC-List 
>  wrote:
> 
> 
> That time of year in the NE...
> 
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Re: Stus-List Butyl tape

[Dave Godwin via CnC-List]

An observation: For the hardware re-bedding I used new stainless steel hardware 
for everything except some of the larger and fewer number of bolts, i.e., 
primary and secondary winches and the bow stem head fitting. Since they were 
encapsulated with old butyl I simply immersed them in a container of mineral 
spirits. This pretty much dissolved all traces of the butyl. A quick flick with 
a small wire brush and they were like new.

That said, there is the containment/time factor involved so probably not a very 
suitable method for what you encountered.

Regards,
Dave Godwin
1982 C&C 37 - Ronin
Reedville - Chesapeake Bay
Ronin’s Overdue Refit 

> On May 22, 2020, at 11:55 AM, Matt Wolford via CnC-List 
>  wrote:
> 
> FYI, the butyl under my deck fills that I just removed was thin, hard as a 
> rock, and embedded into the non-skid.  I tried removing with acetone, but 
> progress was very slow.  I then used a pick to scrape the butyl out of the 
> non-skid nooks and crannies, which worked but is tedious.  I finished with a 
> little acetone and one of those small wire brushes that look like a big 
> toothbrush.  Good as new.
>  

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Stus-List APS is closing

[Joel Aronson via CnC-List]

All,

APS in Annapolis, which became a clothing/foul weather gear store last
year, is going out of business.  Everything is on sale.

I hope everyone has a safe windy weekend.

-- 
Joel
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Stus-List Del City Clearance Sale

[Bill Coleman via CnC-List]

Lots of pertinent stuff, Marine wire, Gauges, etc.

NOT Spam!

 

https://blog.delcity.net/closeout/

 

 

Bill Coleman

Erie PA

 

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Re: Stus-List Butyl tape

[Matt Wolford via CnC-List]

FYI, the butyl under my deck fills that I just removed was thin, hard as a 
rock, and embedded into the non-skid.  I tried removing with acetone, but 
progress was very slow.  I then used a pick to scrape the butyl out of the 
non-skid nooks and crannies, which worked but is tedious.  I finished with a 
little acetone and one of those small wire brushes that look like a big 
toothbrush.  Good as new.

 

From: CnC-List  On Behalf Of Dave Godwin via 
CnC-List
Sent: Friday, May 22, 2020 9:23 AM
To: C&C List 
Cc: Dave Godwin ; bwhitmore 
Subject: Re: Stus-List Butyl tape

 

This is for Bailey White’s question about removing excess butyl under the 
hardware. I use this Smart Caulk tool found on Amazon 
  
(of course…). Use the black handle caulk remove by slipping the hooked end into 
the caulk and working it around. Here’s the best part. As you start removing 
the butyl, let it form a ball and use that ball to “dab” the little bits and 
pieces that may remain. Those will adhere to the ball and you will not see any 
evidence of caulk.

 

And I second Bruce Whitmore’s suggestion. I only use Bed-It Butyl Tape which I 
source from this guy (who keeps changing the name of his site…), “How To 
Marine.”  Link  .  Read his butyl tape posts and 
you’ll be convinced.

 

Regards,

Dave Godwin
1982 C&C 37 - Ronin
Reedville - Chesapeake Bay

Ronin’s Overdue Refit  





On May 22, 2020, at 8:02 AM, bwhitmore via CnC-List mailto:cnc-list@cnc-list.com> > wrote:

 

I will back what Dave Goodwin and others have said, and make two more 
observations.  1)  Go with Bed-It Buytl Tape, as it seems to have the same 
properties as the original C&C material, and I find it goes on much quicker 
than stuff in a tube.  Not only that, it doesn't dry out, so that roll will 
last you a long time unless you have major projects ahead of you. 

 

I am 100% sold on butyl.

 

Bruce Whitmore 

1994 C&C 37/40+

 

 

 

Sent from Samsung tablet.

 

 

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Re: Stus-List Butyl tape

[Matt Wolford via CnC-List]

By the way, I just removed two deck fills (which was not easy) which were 
bedded with butyl tape almost 45 years ago.  The balsa core was dry as a bone.  
Remarkable.

 

From: CnC-List  On Behalf Of Robert Boyer via 
CnC-List
Sent: Friday, May 22, 2020 10:48 AM
To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com
Cc: Robert Boyer 
Subject: Re: Stus-List Butyl tape

 

Butyl tape was used by the factory on my boat in almost all junctions.

 

Bob

Bob Boyer

s/v Rainy Days

C&C Landfall 38 (Hull # 230)

(Spending winters in the Bahamas, summers in Baltimore, and somewhere on the 
ICW in between)

blog: dainyrays.blogspot.com

email: dainyr...@icloud.com  





On May 21, 2020, at 11:46 PM, cscheaffer via CnC-List mailto:cnc-list@cnc-list.com> > wrote:



I'm rebedding deck hardware and bought Butyl Tape but I'm not convinced this is 
best for me.  Butyl has a cult following but it was not chosen by C&C during 
the build except for the hull deck joint.  I like 3M 4200 and 4000uv.  Anybody 
have opinions on Butyl being better?

 

 

 

Sent from my Verizon, Samsung Galaxy smartphone

 

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[David Risch via CnC-List]

That time of year in the NE...

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Re: Stus-List Autopilot for 36

[Dave Godwin via CnC-List]

Not sure of the magnitude of differences between the earlier 36’ versus the 37’ 
but I installed a Raymarine linear drive on my 1982 C&C 37. FWIW.

Regards,
Dave Godwin
1982 C&C 37 - Ronin
Reedville - Chesapeake Bay
Ronin’s Overdue Refit 

> On May 22, 2020, at 11:37 AM, Kurt Hoehne via CnC-List 
>  wrote:
> 
> Does anybody with a C&C 36 have experience installing a below-deck autopilot? 
> 
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[Kurt Hoehne via CnC-List]

Does anybody with a C&C 36 have experience installing a below-deck 
autopilot?


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Re: Stus-List Butyl tape

[Dennis C. via CnC-List]

Agreed.  Not so subtle difference, 5200 is an adhesive, NOT a sealant.

I use 5200 to glue things PERMANENTLY to boats.  For instance, gluing a
block of teak to fiberglass so I can screw something to it.

 Dennis C.
Touche' 35-1 #83
Mandeville, LA

On Fri, May 22, 2020 at 8:10 AM Matt Wolford via CnC-List <
cnc-list@cnc-list.com> wrote:

> Do not use 5200 on anything you don't want to be permanent.
>
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Re: Stus-List Butyl tape

[Robert Boyer via CnC-List]

Butyl tape was used by the factory on my boat in almost all junctions.

Bob

Bob Boyer
s/v Rainy Days
C&C Landfall 38 (Hull # 230)
(Spending winters in the Bahamas, summers in Baltimore, and somewhere on the 
ICW in between)
blog: dainyrays.blogspot.com
email: dainyr...@icloud.com

> On May 21, 2020, at 11:46 PM, cscheaffer via CnC-List  
> wrote:
> 
> 
> I'm rebedding deck hardware and bought Butyl Tape but I'm not convinced this 
> is best for me.  Butyl has a cult following but it was not chosen by C&C 
> during the build except for the hull deck joint.  I like 3M 4200 and 4000uv.  
> Anybody have opinions on Butyl being better?
> 
> 
> 
> Sent from my Verizon, Samsung Galaxy smartphone
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Re: Stus-List Butyl tape

[Dennis C. via CnC-List]

LOL.  I actually thought about that as I was drafting the post.  The boat
owner's decision of what flexes and what doesn't may be more difficult than
the decision of which sealant to use.  :)

Hardware fittings under intermittent compression/tension loading (chain
plates, deck mounted halyard turning blocks) are more likely to flex than
fittings under shear loads (rope clutches, winches).

Overboring and epoxy filling the deck penetrations for hardware under
compression/tension loading somewhat reduces the potential for flexing.
The thickened epoxy "plug" shouldn't compress but the deck adjacent might
still compress.

Also, the type of material should be considered.  For instance, I don't
think 4200, a polyurethane, sticks that well to metal hardware.  Sealing
metal hardware is better with a polysulfide sealant.

Dennis C.
Touche' 35-1 #83
Mandeville, LA

On Fri, May 22, 2020 at 8:33 AM Dave Godwin via CnC-List <
cnc-list@cnc-list.com> wrote:

> Dennis, that made me laugh. In a good way of course. ;-)
>
> There probably isn’t a section of deck on my boat that doesn’t flex. I’ll
> send you a recent picture of me using a hydraulic jack to raise the deck by
> the galley sink and the nav station so that I could re-install the two S.S.
> poles that tie the deck to internal cabinetry. And don’t get me started on
> the three T-shaped tangs for the forward cabin and main bulkheads.
>
> I could on about the fact that the v-berth door hasn’t closed in 25
> years...
>
> Cheers!
> Dave Godwin
> 1982 C&C 37 - Ronin
> Reedville - Chesapeake Bay
> Ronin’s Overdue Refit 
>
> On May 22, 2020, at 8:45 AM, Dennis C. via CnC-List 
> wrote:
>
> My philosophy is if there's a chance the deck hardware may flex, use
> butyl.  If not use LifeSeal.  For instance, I bedded Touche's chain plates
> with butyl.  The winches got LifeSeal.
>
> Bed-It butyl is the best.
>
> I quit using 4200 years ago after getting several partially cured tubes.
> I much prefer LifeSeal.
>
> For general reference on sealant usage, look at this chart:
>
> https://drive.google.com/open?id=12WmFxRiqzUw2xiqLaEtfBpS1pYocZID-
>
> Dennis C.
> Touche' 35-1 #83
> Mandeville, LA
>
>
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Re: Stus-List Butyl tape

[Dave Godwin via CnC-List]

Dennis, that made me laugh. In a good way of course. ;-)

There probably isn’t a section of deck on my boat that doesn’t flex. I’ll send 
you a recent picture of me using a hydraulic jack to raise the deck by the 
galley sink and the nav station so that I could re-install the two S.S. poles 
that tie the deck to internal cabinetry. And don’t get me started on the three 
T-shaped tangs for the forward cabin and main bulkheads.

I could on about the fact that the v-berth door hasn’t closed in 25 years...

Cheers!
Dave Godwin
1982 C&C 37 - Ronin
Reedville - Chesapeake Bay
Ronin’s Overdue Refit 

> On May 22, 2020, at 8:45 AM, Dennis C. via CnC-List  
> wrote:
> 
> My philosophy is if there's a chance the deck hardware may flex, use butyl.  
> If not use LifeSeal.  For instance, I bedded Touche's chain plates with 
> butyl.  The winches got LifeSeal.
> 
> Bed-It butyl is the best.
> 
> I quit using 4200 years ago after getting several partially cured tubes.  I 
> much prefer LifeSeal.
> 
> For general reference on sealant usage, look at this chart:
> 
> https://drive.google.com/open?id=12WmFxRiqzUw2xiqLaEtfBpS1pYocZID- 
> 
> 
> Dennis C.
> Touche' 35-1 #83
> Mandeville, LA

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Re: Stus-List Butyl tape

[Dave Godwin via CnC-List]

This is for Bailey White’s question about removing excess butyl under the 
hardware. I use this Smart Caulk tool found on Amazon 
 
(of course…). Use the black handle caulk remove by slipping the hooked end into 
the caulk and working it around. Here’s the best part. As you start removing 
the butyl, let it form a ball and use that ball to “dab” the little bits and 
pieces that may remain. Those will adhere to the ball and you will not see any 
evidence of caulk.

And I second Bruce Whitmore’s suggestion. I only use Bed-It Butyl Tape which I 
source from this guy (who keeps changing the name of his site…), “How To 
Marine.”  Link .  Read his butyl tape posts and 
you’ll be convinced.

Regards,
Dave Godwin
1982 C&C 37 - Ronin
Reedville - Chesapeake Bay
Ronin’s Overdue Refit 

> On May 22, 2020, at 8:02 AM, bwhitmore via CnC-List  
> wrote:
> 
> I will back what Dave Goodwin and others have said, and make two more 
> observations.  1)  Go with Bed-It Buytl Tape, as it seems to have the same 
> properties as the original C&C material, and I find it goes on much quicker 
> than stuff in a tube.  Not only that, it doesn't dry out, so that roll will 
> last you a long time unless you have major projects ahead of you. 
> 
> I am 100% sold on butyl.
> 
> Bruce Whitmore 
> 1994 C&C 37/40+
> 
> 
> 
> Sent from Samsung tablet.
> 

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[Danny Haughey via CnC-List]

you can get the bed-It butyl here. https://shop.marinehowto.com/products

-- Original Message --
From: Steve Thomas via CnC-List 
To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com
Cc: Steve Thomas 
Subject: Re: Stus-List Butyl tape
Date: Fri, 22 May 2020 8:57:06 -0400


 I have not tried the "Bed it" brand recommended by others, but I will when I 
find some. The stuff sold by Westmarine is useable but not the same quality as 
that used on our boats originally. Forget about the Homedepot stuff, tried that 
as well. 

I left a roll of butyl tape in the boat in a cupboard under the side deck and 
the heat from the sun melted it so that it does not release from the paper. 
Makes it a PITA to use when that happens. Store it in a more or less cool 
place. 

Steve Thomas
C&C27 MKIII
C&C36  

 cscheaffer via CnC-List  wrote: 
I'm rebedding deck hardware and bought Butyl Tape but I'm not convinced this is 
best for me.  Butyl has a cult following but it was not chosen by C&C during 
the build except for the hull deck joint.  I like 3M 4200 and 4000uv.  Anybody 
have opinions on Butyl being better?Sent from my Verizon, Samsung Galaxy 
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Re: Stus-List Butyl tape

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Do not use 5200 on anything you don't want to be permanent.

-Original Message-
From: CnC-List  On Behalf Of Russ & Melody
via CnC-List
Sent: Friday, May 22, 2020 1:13 AM
To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com
Cc: Russ & Melody 
Subject: Re: Stus-List Butyl tape


If I may paraphrase expert COVID advice:
Always use butyl tape/caulk where appropriate, if not then use 3M 4200. In
all other cases 4000 UV or 5200 is best.

I trust this will serve you best.

 Humble servant regards, Russ



At 08:45 PM 5/21/2020, you wrote:
>I'm rebedding deck hardware and bought Butyl Tape but I'm not convinced 
>this is best for me.  Butyl has a cult following but it was not chosen 
>by C&C during the build except for the hull deck joint.  I like 3M 4200 
>and 4000uv.  Anybody have opinions on Butyl being better?
>


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Re: Stus-List Butyl tape

[Michael Brannon via CnC-List]

I’ve been using the 3M version 
https://www.3m.com/3M/en_US/company-us/all-3m-products/~/3M-Weatherban-Ribbon-Sealant-PF5423/?N=5002385+3293241535&preselect=3293786499&rt=rud
 

 .  I replaced my genoa tracks 11 years ago and used this.   No leaks thus far. 
  


Mike Brannon
Virginia Lee 93295
1978 C&C 36 CB
Virginia Beach, VA




> On May 22, 2020, at 8:57 AM, Steve Thomas via CnC-List 
>  wrote:
> 
> 
> I have not tried the "Bed it" brand recommended by others, but I will when I 
> find some. The stuff sold by Westmarine is useable but not the same quality 
> as that used on our boats originally. Forget about the Homedepot stuff, tried 
> that as well. 
> 
> I left a roll of butyl tape in the boat in a cupboard under the side deck and 
> the heat from the sun melted it so that it does not release from the paper. 
> Makes it a PITA to use when that happens. Store it in a more or less cool 
> place. 
> 
> Steve Thomas
> C&C27 MKIII
> C&C36  
> 
>  cscheaffer via CnC-List  wrote: 
> I'm rebedding deck hardware and bought Butyl Tape but I'm not convinced this 
> is best for me.  Butyl has a cult following but it was not chosen by C&C 
> during the build except for the hull deck joint.  I like 3M 4200 and 4000uv.  
> Anybody have opinions on Butyl being better?Sent from my Verizon, Samsung 
> Galaxy smartphone
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[Steve Thomas via CnC-List]

 I have not tried the "Bed it" brand recommended by others, but I will when I 
find some. The stuff sold by Westmarine is useable but not the same quality as 
that used on our boats originally. Forget about the Homedepot stuff, tried that 
as well. 

I left a roll of butyl tape in the boat in a cupboard under the side deck and 
the heat from the sun melted it so that it does not release from the paper. 
Makes it a PITA to use when that happens. Store it in a more or less cool 
place. 

Steve Thomas
C&C27 MKIII
C&C36  

 cscheaffer via CnC-List  wrote: 
I'm rebedding deck hardware and bought Butyl Tape but I'm not convinced this is 
best for me.  Butyl has a cult following but it was not chosen by C&C during 
the build except for the hull deck joint.  I like 3M 4200 and 4000uv.  Anybody 
have opinions on Butyl being better?Sent from my Verizon, Samsung Galaxy 
smartphone

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Re: Stus-List Butyl tape

[Dennis C. via CnC-List]

My philosophy is if there's a chance the deck hardware may flex, use
butyl.  If not use LifeSeal.  For instance, I bedded Touche's chain plates
with butyl.  The winches got LifeSeal.

Bed-It butyl is the best.

I quit using 4200 years ago after getting several partially cured tubes.  I
much prefer LifeSeal.

For general reference on sealant usage, look at this chart:

https://drive.google.com/open?id=12WmFxRiqzUw2xiqLaEtfBpS1pYocZID-

Dennis C.
Touche' 35-1 #83
Mandeville, LA

On Thu, May 21, 2020 at 10:46 PM cscheaffer via CnC-List <
cnc-list@cnc-list.com> wrote:

> I'm rebedding deck hardware and bought Butyl Tape but I'm not convinced
> this is best for me.  Butyl has a cult following but it was not chosen by
> C&C during the build except for the hull deck joint.  I like 3M 4200 and
> 4000uv.  Anybody have opinions on Butyl being better?
>
>
>
> Sent from my Verizon, Samsung Galaxy smartphone
>
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[Bailey White via CnC-List]

I’ve learned about butyl tape from my C&C and have been happy with its 
waterproofing, but I have an issue with butyl where I would welcome advice.  

I tend to try to be very careful with waterproofing any deck penetrations and 
end up with a bit of butyl tape exposed around the edges of the hardware, 
handrail, etc where it meets the deck.  Someone eventually sits on or near the 
hardware and manages to get a bit of tape on his or more likely, her, clothes.  

Any advice?

Bailey White
C&C 36
Lake Lanier
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Re: Stus-List Butyl tape

[bwhitmore via CnC-List]

I will back what Dave Goodwin and others have said, and make two more 
observations.  1)  Go with Bed-It Buytl Tape, as it seems to have the same 
properties as the original C&C material, and I find it goes on much quicker 
than stuff in a tube.  Not only that, it doesn't dry out, so that roll will 
last you a long time unless you have major projects ahead of you. I am 100% 
sold on butyl.Bruce Whitmore 1994 C&C 37/40+Sent from Samsung tablet.
 Original message From: Dave Godwin via CnC-List 
 Date: 5/22/20  7:36 AM  (GMT-05:00) To: C&C List 
 Cc: Dave Godwin  Subject: Re: 
Stus-List Butyl tape As a requirement for repairing and repainting the deck and 
cabin top I have pulled every piece of hardware on my 1982 C&C 37 with the 
exception of the toe-rail. Virtually every item was installed with butyl. When 
we bought the boat many years ago I would add hardware or replace hardware like 
any obsessive boat owner would do and I would use sealants from 3M, Boatlife 
and Sika. Every item sealed with butyl was dry and leak-free. Those items that 
I installed with the other products eventually failed and/or leaked. Given my 
general ineptitude those failures were probably my fault. But...With the fact 
that the deck had almost no wet core, it was an easy decision to re-bed with 
the same material. I have re-bedded all of the hardware with butyl except where 
the manufacturer recommends a specific sealant, the plastic Beckson opening 
ports coming to mind.One thing that continually runs through my mind as I go 
about the process of re-bedding using butyl is the incredible amount of effort 
and time required to apply it. Were I a boat builder looking to keep labour 
costs down, I would probably be using tube sealants.My $0.02 (US).Regards,
Dave Godwin1982 C&C 37 - RoninReedville - Chesapeake BayRonin’s Overdue Refit

On May 22, 2020, at 6:12 AM, Nathan Post via CnC-List  
wrote:I am repainting the deck and the rebedding the hardware. The original 
hardware (gel coat under it) used butyl tape and in most places had not failed. 
The parts also come up easily when you want to pull them off. The ones using 
4200 or equivalent have failed, often around the screws, it is brittle, yet 
they don’t always come off easily unless completely failed (cutting under the 
part is often needed). I will be using butyl when I put it back together. 
NathanS/V WisperLynn MA- -On May 22, 2020, at 5:52 AM, Graham Collins via 
CnC-List  wrote:
C&C (or a previous owner) used butyl everywhere on my boat,
  and while it had failed in a few spots I'd add that the 4200 I
  used on a hatch failed after 2 years, so both can fail...  The
  hatch is on with butyl now, for 6 years, no problem.

Graham Collins
Secret Plans
C&C 35-III #11
On 2020-05-22 12:45 a.m., cscheaffer
  via CnC-List wrote:


  
  I'm rebedding deck
  hardware and bought Butyl Tape but I'm not convinced this is
  best for me.  Butyl has a cult following but it was not chosen
  by C&C during the build except for the hull deck joint.  I
  like 3M 4200 and 4000uv.  Anybody have opinions on Butyl being
  better?
  
  
  
  
  
  
  
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Re: Stus-List Butyl tape

[Dave Godwin via CnC-List]

As a requirement for repairing and repainting the deck and cabin top I have 
pulled every piece of hardware on my 1982 C&C 37 with the exception of the 
toe-rail. Virtually every item was installed with butyl. When we bought the 
boat many years ago I would add hardware or replace hardware like any obsessive 
boat owner would do and I would use sealants from 3M, Boatlife and Sika. 

Every item sealed with butyl was dry and leak-free. Those items that I 
installed with the other products eventually failed and/or leaked. Given my 
general ineptitude those failures were probably my fault. But...

With the fact that the deck had almost no wet core, it was an easy decision to 
re-bed with the same material. I have re-bedded all of the hardware with butyl 
except where the manufacturer recommends a specific sealant, the plastic 
Beckson opening ports coming to mind.

One thing that continually runs through my mind as I go about the process of 
re-bedding using butyl is the incredible amount of effort and time required to 
apply it. Were I a boat builder looking to keep labour costs down, I would 
probably be using tube sealants.

My $0.02 (US).

Regards,
Dave Godwin
1982 C&C 37 - Ronin
Reedville - Chesapeake Bay
Ronin’s Overdue Refit 

> On May 22, 2020, at 6:12 AM, Nathan Post via CnC-List  
> wrote:
> 
> I am repainting the deck and the rebedding the hardware. The original 
> hardware (gel coat under it) used butyl tape and in most places had not 
> failed. The parts also come up easily when you want to pull them off. The 
> ones using 4200 or equivalent have failed, often around the screws, it is 
> brittle, yet they don’t always come off easily unless completely failed 
> (cutting under the part is often needed). I will be using butyl when I put it 
> back together. 
> Nathan
> S/V Wisper
> Lynn MA
> 
> - -
>> On May 22, 2020, at 5:52 AM, Graham Collins via CnC-List 
>>  wrote:
>> 
>> 
>> C&C (or a previous owner) used butyl everywhere on my boat, and while it had 
>> failed in a few spots I'd add that the 4200 I used on a hatch failed after 2 
>> years, so both can fail...  The hatch is on with butyl now, for 6 years, no 
>> problem.
>> 
>> Graham Collins
>> Secret Plans
>> C&C 35-III #11
>> On 2020-05-22 12:45 a.m., cscheaffer via CnC-List wrote:
>>> I'm rebedding deck hardware and bought Butyl Tape but I'm not convinced 
>>> this is best for me.  Butyl has a cult following but it was not chosen by 
>>> C&C during the build except for the hull deck joint.  I like 3M 4200 and 
>>> 4000uv.  Anybody have opinions on Butyl being better?
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
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Re: Stus-List Butyl tape

[Nathan Post via CnC-List]

I am repainting the deck and the rebedding the hardware. The original hardware 
(gel coat under it) used butyl tape and in most places had not failed. The 
parts also come up easily when you want to pull them off. The ones using 4200 
or equivalent have failed, often around the screws, it is brittle, yet they 
don’t always come off easily unless completely failed (cutting under the part 
is often needed). I will be using butyl when I put it back together. 
Nathan
S/V Wisper
Lynn MA

- -
> On May 22, 2020, at 5:52 AM, Graham Collins via CnC-List 
>  wrote:
> 
> 
> C&C (or a previous owner) used butyl everywhere on my boat, and while it had 
> failed in a few spots I'd add that the 4200 I used on a hatch failed after 2 
> years, so both can fail...  The hatch is on with butyl now, for 6 years, no 
> problem.
> 
> Graham Collins
> Secret Plans
> C&C 35-III #11
> On 2020-05-22 12:45 a.m., cscheaffer via CnC-List wrote:
>> I'm rebedding deck hardware and bought Butyl Tape but I'm not convinced this 
>> is best for me.  Butyl has a cult following but it was not chosen by C&C 
>> during the build except for the hull deck joint.  I like 3M 4200 and 4000uv. 
>>  Anybody have opinions on Butyl being better?
>> 
>> 
>> 
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Re: Stus-List Butyl tape

[Graham Collins via CnC-List]

C&C (or a previous owner) used butyl everywhere on my boat, and while it 
had failed in a few spots I'd add that the 4200 I used on a hatch failed 
after 2 years, so both can fail...  The hatch is on with butyl now, for 
6 years, no problem.


Graham Collins
Secret Plans
C&C 35-III #11

On 2020-05-22 12:45 a.m., cscheaffer via CnC-List wrote:
I'm rebedding deck hardware and bought Butyl Tape but I'm not 
convinced this is best for me.  Butyl has a cult following but it was 
not chosen by C&C during the build except for the hull deck joint.  I 
like 3M 4200 and 4000uv.  Anybody have opinions on Butyl being better?




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