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After all the messages recently posted by listers, I found a stack of free boooklets provided by the US Department of Homeland Security at our local Maritime Museum. The form number is 2010-361-210. It provides all the "legal" answers to the questions posed. One distinction I didn't recall seeing during the recent discussions is the size of the boat. For example, is your boat is less than 20 meters long, it is not required to display an anchor light in a "special anchorage". And, if it is less than 12 meters (39.4 feet), you do not need the conical shape while motoring. Just some more stuff to keep you reading. Gary (less than 12 meters) On Mon, 19 Sep 2016 07:10:51 -0400 Marek Dziedzic via CnC-List <cnc-list@cnc-list.com> wrote: If I am not mistaken, only on “designated anchorages” (and then you don’t need the light either) Marek From: CnC-List [mailto:cnc-list-boun...@cnc-list.com] On Behalf Of Josh Muckley via CnC-List Sent: Monday, September 19, 2016 05:20 To: C List <cnc-list@cnc-list.com> Cc: Josh Muckley <muckl...@gmail.com> Subject: Re: Stus-List Electrical Question Re: anchor balls. I'm not saying that its not a good idea but I thought that the requirements for anchor dayshapes and lights was eliminated while in a charted anchorage or in a mooring field. Or is it just while on s mooring? Or am I just mistaken altogether? Josh Muckley S/V Sea Hawk 1989 C 37+ Solomons, MD On Sep 16, 2016 7:42 PM, "gnylander--- via CnC-List" <cnc-list@cnc-list.com <mailto:cnc-list@cnc-list.com> > wrote: I have seen a few anchor balls around here (St. Michaels, MD) usually on boats visiting on their way up or down the ICW - there are two anchorages on the river, so they know what they are doing. Most don't. Some don't even display lights at night Gary On Wed, 14 Sep 2016 10:39:53 -0400 Rick Brass via CnC-List <cnc-list@cnc-list.com <mailto:cnc-list@cnc-list.com> > wrote: West sells a fold up anchor ball for a relatively cheap $17. But I bet they don’t sell many. I’d not have a clue as to where you could go to buy a steaming cone. And I don’t think I’ve ever seen either one of these actually being used by a small boat. I do occasionally see day shapes displayed on the larger shrimp trawlers in our waters, but not often. Rick Brass Washington, NC From: CnC-List [mailto:cnc-list-boun...@cnc-list.com <mailto:cnc-list-boun...@cnc-list.com> ] On Behalf Of Marek Dziedzic via CnC-List Sent: Wednesday, September 14, 2016 9:59 AM To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com <mailto:cnc-list@cnc-list.com> Cc: Marek Dziedzic <dziedzi...@hotmail.com <mailto:dziedzi...@hotmail.com> > Subject: Re: Stus-List Electrical Question Rick, you do (so triple points for you (each point can be converted to a drink of your choice when visiting on my boat)). Though, I should have said that professionals should not apply (;-). I don’t have the day shapes either, but I have to say that a long while ago I used to sail on a boat that regularly displayed the black ball when anchoring. And we used to carry both the black ball and the black cone. However, I don’t remember ever displaying the inverted cone. And I don’t think I ever saw an inverted cone displayed. Marek Ottawa, ON ___ This list is supported by the generous donations of our members. If you like what we do, please help us pay for our costs by donating. All Contributions are greatly appreciated! ___ This list is supported by the generous donations of our members. If you like what we do, please help us pay for our costs by donating. All Contributions are greatly appreciated!
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Solar yard lights…. Or just ignore the COLREGS. Rick Brass Washington, NC From: CnC-List [mailto:cnc-list-boun...@cnc-list.com] On Behalf Of Josh Muckley via CnC-List Sent: Monday, September 19, 2016 11:54 AM To: C List <cnc-list@cnc-list.com> Cc: Josh Muckley <muckl...@gmail.com> Subject: Re: Stus-List Electrical Question What about moorings? How do people keep boats long term in a mooring field? Josh ___ This list is supported by the generous donations of our members. If you like what we do, please help us pay for our costs by donating. All Contributions are greatly appreciated!
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Josh; If you look on page 36 of the US Coast Pilot Volume 3 (you can download it at http://www.nauticalcharts.noaa.gov/nsd/coastpilot_w.php?book=3 ) you will find a list of the 9 designated special anchorages between Sandy Hook and Cape Henry. They are also marked on the chart, but they are few and far between. These are the locations where you don’t need an anchor ball or anchor light. Just because an anchorage area is shown on a chart doesn’t mean it is a “designated special anchorage” . Rick Brass Washington, NC From: CnC-List [mailto:cnc-list-boun...@cnc-list.com] On Behalf Of Josh Muckley via CnC-List Sent: Monday, September 19, 2016 11:38 AM To: C List <cnc-list@cnc-list.com> Cc: Josh Muckley <muckl...@gmail.com> Subject: Re: Stus-List Electrical Question I think that's what I mean by "charted", or is there a different way to designate an anchorage? Josh On Sep 19, 2016 1:11 PM, "Marek Dziedzic via CnC-List" <cnc-list@cnc-list.com <mailto:cnc-list@cnc-list.com> > wrote: If I am not mistaken, only on “designated anchorages” (and then you don’t need the light either) Marek From: CnC-List [mailto:cnc-list-boun...@cnc-list.com <mailto:cnc-list-boun...@cnc-list.com> ] On Behalf Of Josh Muckley via CnC-List Sent: Monday, September 19, 2016 05:20 To: C List <cnc-list@cnc-list.com <mailto:cnc-list@cnc-list.com> > Cc: Josh Muckley <muckl...@gmail.com <mailto:muckl...@gmail.com> > Subject: Re: Stus-List Electrical Question Re: anchor balls. I'm not saying that its not a good idea but I thought that the requirements for anchor dayshapes and lights was eliminated while in a charted anchorage or in a mooring field. Or is it just while on s mooring? Or am I just mistaken altogether? Josh Muckley S/V Sea Hawk 1989 C 37+ Solomons, MD On Sep 16, 2016 7:42 PM, "gnylander--- via CnC-List" <cnc-list@cnc-list.com <mailto:cnc-list@cnc-list.com> > wrote: I have seen a few anchor balls around here (St. Michaels, MD) usually on boats visiting on their way up or down the ICW - there are two anchorages on the river, so they know what they are doing. Most don't. Some don't even display lights at night Gary On Wed, 14 Sep 2016 10:39:53 -0400 Rick Brass via CnC-List <cnc-list@cnc-list.com <mailto:cnc-list@cnc-list.com> > wrote: West sells a fold up anchor ball for a relatively cheap $17. But I bet they don’t sell many. I’d not have a clue as to where you could go to buy a steaming cone. And I don’t think I’ve ever seen either one of these actually being used by a small boat. I do occasionally see day shapes displayed on the larger shrimp trawlers in our waters, but not often. Rick Brass Washington, NC From: CnC-List [mailto:cnc-list-boun...@cnc-list.com <mailto:cnc-list-boun...@cnc-list.com> ] On Behalf Of Marek Dziedzic via CnC-List Sent: Wednesday, September 14, 2016 9:59 AM To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com <mailto:cnc-list@cnc-list.com> Cc: Marek Dziedzic <dziedzi...@hotmail.com <mailto:dziedzi...@hotmail.com> > Subject: Re: Stus-List Electrical Question Rick, you do (so triple points for you (each point can be converted to a drink of your choice when visiting on my boat)). Though, I should have said that professionals should not apply (;-). I don’t have the day shapes either, but I have to say that a long while ago I used to sail on a boat that regularly displayed the black ball when anchoring. And we used to carry both the black ball and the black cone. However, I don’t remember ever displaying the inverted cone. And I don’t think I ever saw an inverted cone displayed. Marek Ottawa, ON ___ This list is supported by the generous donations of our members. If you like what we do, please help us pay for our costs by donating. All Contributions are greatly appreciated! ___ This list is supported by the generous donations of our members. If you like what we do, please help us pay for our costs by donating. All Contributions are greatly appreciated! ___ This list is supported by the generous donations of our members. If you like what we do, please help us pay for our costs by donating. All Contributions are greatly appreciated!
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A little tip: To make a cheap solar LED lawn light far more visible, use spray paint to put a light coating of white paint on the inside of the lens to make it "frosted". Makes quite a difference. Bill Bina On 9/19/2016 12:17 PM, Della Barba, Joe via CnC-List wrote: 90% of boats on moorings anyplace I have ever been unlit if no one is aboard. That number is changing now that people can get solar LED lawn lights for $5. Joe Coquina I use cheap solar lights when I leave my boat on the mooring. *From:*CnC-List [mailto:cnc-list-boun...@cnc-list.com] *On Behalf Of *Bill Bina - gmail via CnC-List *Sent:* Monday, September 19, 2016 12:10 *To:* cnc-list@cnc-list.com *Cc:* Bill Bina - gmail *Subject:* Re: Stus-List Electrical Question A mooring is considered a permanent fixture, like a dock. An anchor is transient. If in doubt, use your anchor light. Bill Bina On 9/19/2016 11:54 AM, Josh Muckley via CnC-List wrote: What about moorings? How do people keep boats long term in a mooring field? Josh On Sep 19, 2016 5:49 PM, "Bill Bina - gmail via CnC-List" <cnc-list@cnc-list.com <mailto:cnc-list@cnc-list.com>> wrote: Anchorages not requiring an anchor light will be marked as "Special Anchorage" on charts. When someone says "designated anchorage", they generally mean "designated as special". The legally important term is "special anchorage". Bill Bina On 9/19/2016 11:38 AM, Josh Muckley via CnC-List wrote: I think that's what I mean by "charted", or is there a different way to designate an anchorage? Josh ___ This list is supported by the generous donations of our members. If you like what we do, please help us pay for our costs by donating. All Contributions are greatly appreciated! ___ This list is supported by the generous donations of our members. If you like what we do, please help us pay for our costs by donating. All Contributions are greatly appreciated!
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And evidently your anchor ball too! Josh On Sep 19, 2016 6:11 PM, "Bill Bina - gmail via CnC-List" < cnc-list@cnc-list.com> wrote: > A mooring is considered a permanent fixture, like a dock. An anchor is > transient. If in doubt, use your anchor light. > > Bill Bina > > On 9/19/2016 11:54 AM, Josh Muckley via CnC-List wrote: > > What about moorings? How do people keep boats long term in a mooring > field? > > Josh > > On Sep 19, 2016 5:49 PM, "Bill Bina - gmail via CnC-List" < > cnc-list@cnc-list.com> wrote: > >> Anchorages not requiring an anchor light will be marked as "Special >> Anchorage" on charts. When someone says "designated anchorage", they >> generally mean "designated as special". The legally important term is >> "special anchorage". >> >> Bill Bina >> >> On 9/19/2016 11:38 AM, Josh Muckley via CnC-List wrote: >> >> I think that's what I mean by "charted", or is there a different way to >> designate an anchorage? >> >> Josh >> >> > > ___ > > This list is supported by the generous donations of our members. If you > like what we do, please help us pay for our costs by donating. All > Contributions are greatly appreciated! > > ___ This list is supported by the generous donations of our members. If you like what we do, please help us pay for our costs by donating. All Contributions are greatly appreciated!
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90% of boats on moorings anyplace I have ever been unlit if no one is aboard. That number is changing now that people can get solar LED lawn lights for $5. Joe Coquina I use cheap solar lights when I leave my boat on the mooring. From: CnC-List [mailto:cnc-list-boun...@cnc-list.com] On Behalf Of Bill Bina - gmail via CnC-List Sent: Monday, September 19, 2016 12:10 To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com Cc: Bill Bina - gmail Subject: Re: Stus-List Electrical Question A mooring is considered a permanent fixture, like a dock. An anchor is transient. If in doubt, use your anchor light. Bill Bina On 9/19/2016 11:54 AM, Josh Muckley via CnC-List wrote: What about moorings? How do people keep boats long term in a mooring field? Josh On Sep 19, 2016 5:49 PM, "Bill Bina - gmail via CnC-List" <cnc-list@cnc-list.com<mailto:cnc-list@cnc-list.com>> wrote: Anchorages not requiring an anchor light will be marked as "Special Anchorage" on charts. When someone says "designated anchorage", they generally mean "designated as special". The legally important term is "special anchorage". Bill Bina On 9/19/2016 11:38 AM, Josh Muckley via CnC-List wrote: I think that's what I mean by "charted", or is there a different way to designate an anchorage? Josh ___ This list is supported by the generous donations of our members. If you like what we do, please help us pay for our costs by donating. All Contributions are greatly appreciated!
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A mooring is considered a permanent fixture, like a dock. An anchor is transient. If in doubt, use your anchor light. Bill Bina On 9/19/2016 11:54 AM, Josh Muckley via CnC-List wrote: What about moorings? How do people keep boats long term in a mooring field? Josh On Sep 19, 2016 5:49 PM, "Bill Bina - gmail via CnC-List"> wrote: Anchorages not requiring an anchor light will be marked as "Special Anchorage" on charts. When someone says "designated anchorage", they generally mean "designated as special". The legally important term is "special anchorage". Bill Bina On 9/19/2016 11:38 AM, Josh Muckley via CnC-List wrote: I think that's what I mean by "charted", or is there a different way to designate an anchorage? Josh ___ This list is supported by the generous donations of our members. If you like what we do, please help us pay for our costs by donating. All Contributions are greatly appreciated!
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What about moorings? How do people keep boats long term in a mooring field? Josh On Sep 19, 2016 5:49 PM, "Bill Bina - gmail via CnC-List" < cnc-list@cnc-list.com> wrote: > Anchorages not requiring an anchor light will be marked as "Special > Anchorage" on charts. When someone says "designated anchorage", they > generally mean "designated as special". The legally important term is > "special anchorage". > > Bill Bina > > On 9/19/2016 11:38 AM, Josh Muckley via CnC-List wrote: > > I think that's what I mean by "charted", or is there a different way to > designate an anchorage? > > Josh > > On Sep 19, 2016 1:11 PM, "Marek Dziedzic via CnC-List" < > cnc-list@cnc-list.com> wrote: > > If I am not mistaken, only on “designated anchorages” (and then you don’t > need the light either) > > > > Marek > > > > > > ___ > > This list is supported by the generous donations of our members. If you > like what we do, please help us pay for our costs by donating. All > Contributions are greatly appreciated! > > ___ This list is supported by the generous donations of our members. If you like what we do, please help us pay for our costs by donating. All Contributions are greatly appreciated!
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Anchorages not requiring an anchor light will be marked as "Special Anchorage" on charts. When someone says "designated anchorage", they generally mean "designated as special". The legally important term is "special anchorage". Bill Bina On 9/19/2016 11:38 AM, Josh Muckley via CnC-List wrote: I think that's what I mean by "charted", or is there a different way to designate an anchorage? Josh On Sep 19, 2016 1:11 PM, "Marek Dziedzic via CnC-List"> wrote: If I am not mistaken, only on “designated anchorages” (and then you don’t need the light either) Marek ___ This list is supported by the generous donations of our members. If you like what we do, please help us pay for our costs by donating. All Contributions are greatly appreciated!
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I think that's what I mean by "charted", or is there a different way to designate an anchorage? Josh On Sep 19, 2016 1:11 PM, "Marek Dziedzic via CnC-List" < cnc-list@cnc-list.com> wrote: If I am not mistaken, only on “designated anchorages” (and then you don’t need the light either) Marek *From:* CnC-List [mailto:cnc-list-boun...@cnc-list.com] *On Behalf Of *Josh Muckley via CnC-List *Sent:* Monday, September 19, 2016 05:20 *To:* C List <cnc-list@cnc-list.com> *Cc:* Josh Muckley <muckl...@gmail.com> *Subject:* Re: Stus-List Electrical Question Re: anchor balls. I'm not saying that its not a good idea but I thought that the requirements for anchor dayshapes and lights was eliminated while in a charted anchorage or in a mooring field. Or is it just while on s mooring? Or am I just mistaken altogether? Josh Muckley S/V Sea Hawk 1989 C 37+ Solomons, MD On Sep 16, 2016 7:42 PM, "gnylander--- via CnC-List" <cnc-list@cnc-list.com> wrote: I have seen a few anchor balls around here (St. Michaels, MD) usually on boats visiting on their way up or down the ICW - there are two anchorages on the river, so they know what they are doing. Most don't. Some don't even display lights at night Gary On Wed, 14 Sep 2016 10:39:53 -0400 Rick Brass via CnC-List <cnc-list@cnc-list.com> wrote: West sells a fold up anchor ball for a relatively cheap $17. But I bet they don’t sell many. I’d not have a clue as to where you could go to buy a steaming cone. And I don’t think I’ve ever seen either one of these actually being used by a small boat. I do occasionally see day shapes displayed on the larger shrimp trawlers in our waters, but not often. Rick Brass Washington, NC From: CnC-List [mailto:cnc-list-boun...@cnc-list.com] On Behalf Of Marek Dziedzic via CnC-List Sent: Wednesday, September 14, 2016 9:59 AM To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com Cc: Marek Dziedzic <dziedzi...@hotmail.com> Subject: Re: Stus-List Electrical Question Rick, you do (so triple points for you (each point can be converted to a drink of your choice when visiting on my boat)). Though, I should have said that professionals should not apply (;-). I don’t have the day shapes either, but I have to say that a long while ago I used to sail on a boat that regularly displayed the black ball when anchoring. And we used to carry both the black ball and the black cone. However, I don’t remember ever displaying the inverted cone. And I don’t think I ever saw an inverted cone displayed. Marek Ottawa, ON ___ This list is supported by the generous donations of our members. If you like what we do, please help us pay for our costs by donating. All Contributions are greatly appreciated! ___ This list is supported by the generous donations of our members. If you like what we do, please help us pay for our costs by donating. All Contributions are greatly appreciated! ___ This list is supported by the generous donations of our members. If you like what we do, please help us pay for our costs by donating. All Contributions are greatly appreciated!
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I would say 98% of non-commercial boats that should have an anchor ball or motoring cone do not have them or use them. Joe Coquina From: CnC-List [mailto:cnc-list-boun...@cnc-list.com] On Behalf Of Marek Dziedzic via CnC-List Sent: Monday, September 19, 2016 07:11 To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com Cc: Marek Dziedzic Subject: Re: Stus-List Electrical Question If I am not mistaken, only on “designated anchorages” (and then you don’t need the light either) Marek From: CnC-List [mailto:cnc-list-boun...@cnc-list.com] On Behalf Of Josh Muckley via CnC-List Sent: Monday, September 19, 2016 05:20 To: C List Cc: Josh Muckley Subject: Re: Stus-List Electrical Question Re: anchor balls. I'm not saying that its not a good idea but I thought that the requirements for anchor dayshapes and lights was eliminated while in a charted anchorage or in a mooring field. Or is it just while on s mooring? Or am I just mistaken altogether? Josh Muckley S/V Sea Hawk 1989 C 37+ Solomons, MD On Sep 16, 2016 7:42 PM, "gnylander--- via CnC-List" <cnc-list@cnc-list.com<mailto:cnc-list@cnc-list.com>> wrote: I have seen a few anchor balls around here (St. Michaels, MD) usually on boats visiting on their way up or down the ICW - there are two anchorages on the river, so they know what they are doing. Most don't. Some don't even display lights at night Gary On Wed, 14 Sep 2016 10:39:53 -0400 Rick Brass via CnC-List <cnc-list@cnc-list.com<mailto:cnc-list@cnc-list.com>> wrote: West sells a fold up anchor ball for a relatively cheap $17. But I bet they don’t sell many. I’d not have a clue as to where you could go to buy a steaming cone. And I don’t think I’ve ever seen either one of these actually being used by a small boat. I do occasionally see day shapes displayed on the larger shrimp trawlers in our waters, but not often. Rick Brass Washington, NC From: CnC-List [mailto:cnc-list-boun...@cnc-list.com<mailto:cnc-list-boun...@cnc-list.com>] On Behalf Of Marek Dziedzic via CnC-List Sent: Wednesday, September 14, 2016 9:59 AM To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com<mailto:cnc-list@cnc-list.com> Cc: Marek Dziedzic <dziedzi...@hotmail.com<mailto:dziedzi...@hotmail.com>> Subject: Re: Stus-List Electrical Question Rick, you do (so triple points for you (each point can be converted to a drink of your choice when visiting on my boat)). Though, I should have said that professionals should not apply (;-). I don’t have the day shapes either, but I have to say that a long while ago I used to sail on a boat that regularly displayed the black ball when anchoring. And we used to carry both the black ball and the black cone. However, I don’t remember ever displaying the inverted cone. And I don’t think I ever saw an inverted cone displayed. Marek Ottawa, ON ___ This list is supported by the generous donations of our members. If you like what we do, please help us pay for our costs by donating. All Contributions are greatly appreciated! ___ This list is supported by the generous donations of our members. If you like what we do, please help us pay for our costs by donating. All Contributions are greatly appreciated!
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If I am not mistaken, only on “designated anchorages” (and then you don’t need the light either) Marek From: CnC-List [mailto:cnc-list-boun...@cnc-list.com] On Behalf Of Josh Muckley via CnC-List Sent: Monday, September 19, 2016 05:20 To: C List <cnc-list@cnc-list.com> Cc: Josh Muckley <muckl...@gmail.com> Subject: Re: Stus-List Electrical Question Re: anchor balls. I'm not saying that its not a good idea but I thought that the requirements for anchor dayshapes and lights was eliminated while in a charted anchorage or in a mooring field. Or is it just while on s mooring? Or am I just mistaken altogether? Josh Muckley S/V Sea Hawk 1989 C 37+ Solomons, MD On Sep 16, 2016 7:42 PM, "gnylander--- via CnC-List" <cnc-list@cnc-list.com <mailto:cnc-list@cnc-list.com> > wrote: I have seen a few anchor balls around here (St. Michaels, MD) usually on boats visiting on their way up or down the ICW - there are two anchorages on the river, so they know what they are doing. Most don't. Some don't even display lights at night Gary On Wed, 14 Sep 2016 10:39:53 -0400 Rick Brass via CnC-List <cnc-list@cnc-list.com <mailto:cnc-list@cnc-list.com> > wrote: West sells a fold up anchor ball for a relatively cheap $17. But I bet they don’t sell many. I’d not have a clue as to where you could go to buy a steaming cone. And I don’t think I’ve ever seen either one of these actually being used by a small boat. I do occasionally see day shapes displayed on the larger shrimp trawlers in our waters, but not often. Rick Brass Washington, NC From: CnC-List [mailto:cnc-list-boun...@cnc-list.com <mailto:cnc-list-boun...@cnc-list.com> ] On Behalf Of Marek Dziedzic via CnC-List Sent: Wednesday, September 14, 2016 9:59 AM To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com <mailto:cnc-list@cnc-list.com> Cc: Marek Dziedzic <dziedzi...@hotmail.com <mailto:dziedzi...@hotmail.com> > Subject: Re: Stus-List Electrical Question Rick, you do (so triple points for you (each point can be converted to a drink of your choice when visiting on my boat)). Though, I should have said that professionals should not apply (;-). I don’t have the day shapes either, but I have to say that a long while ago I used to sail on a boat that regularly displayed the black ball when anchoring. And we used to carry both the black ball and the black cone. However, I don’t remember ever displaying the inverted cone. And I don’t think I ever saw an inverted cone displayed. Marek Ottawa, ON ___ This list is supported by the generous donations of our members. If you like what we do, please help us pay for our costs by donating. All Contributions are greatly appreciated! ___ This list is supported by the generous donations of our members. If you like what we do, please help us pay for our costs by donating. All Contributions are greatly appreciated!
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Robert I believe you do require a bow light, but only after sunset while moving, many her call it a steaming light. The bow light is supposed to be on while moving at night (probably any time after sunset) while the foredeck light is more for convenience and not actually required. Some boats have spreader lights which serve the essentially the same purpose as the foredeck light but usually with a few more lumens on deck than a foredeck light like yours. It was quite common with C sailboats to combine the bow light and foredeck lights in one fixture mounted about one third the way up on the forward side of the mast, each light operated with a different switch...that is what I have on Alianna and I believe mine to be original from factory build, the bow light (steaming light) shines forward while the foredeck light component shines downward on the deck. The masthead light as C called it on Alianna's factory original switch is at the top of the mast and shines 360 degrees...it is supposed to on while at anchor all night long and some call it the anchor light but C called it the masthead light on my original switch panel. It should be a very bright light (like visible from a long way off), nowadays many sailors use very bright LED masthead (anchor) light to conserve power since it is supposed to be on all night long while at anchor. Your running lights on the bow (green to starboard and red to port) and white stern light are required and should be turned on after sunset while moving under sail or steam. Your boat is younger than mine. Are you certain that the fixture needs to be replaced, check it out because you may be more pleased with repairing the old fixture than trying to find and mount a new one. Dwight Veinot C 35 MKII, Alianna Head of St. Margaret's Bay, NS d.ve...@bellaliant.net On Mon, Sep 12, 2016 at 9:49 AM, robert via CnC-Listwrote: > When up the mast the other day, I noticed that my 'Steaming, Bow, Foredeck > Light' was in pretty bad shape.probably the original 32 years old. Will > probably replace it when the mast is hauled later this Fall although I > understand this light is no longer legally required...but I do like the > halogen foredeck light. > > I found this one linked below at the Binnacle...almost similar to the > existing one: > > Lights-Steaming-Spreader-&-Deck-Lights/c23_156/p1349/AAA-MASTHEAD-/-DECK-LIGHT/product_info.html > > It appears, without removing mine, that there are three (3) white wires > exiting the foot of the mast connecting to 'green, red and black' ..I > assume the green is negative, red is positive and black in ground. > > Here's the question..the new light fixture at the Binnacle only has one > white wire as a connection...there is (are) no other places on the back > of the fixture to connect other wires. So if my old fixture has 3 > connections (assuming it does but I have not removed it to be sure) and this > new fixture only has one 'white wire', how do you connect it? > > As you can tell, I am no electrician. > > Rob Abbott > AZURA > C 32 - 84 > Halifax, N.S. > > ___ > > This list is supported by the generous donations of our members. If you like > what we do, please help us pay for our costs by donating. All Contributions > are greatly appreciated! ___ This list is supported by the generous donations of our members. If you like what we do, please help us pay for our costs by donating. All Contributions are greatly appreciated!
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I have seen a few anchor balls around here (St. Michaels, MD) usually on boats visiting on their way up or down the ICW - there are two anchorages on the river, so they know what they are doing. Most don't. Some don't even display lights at night Gary On Wed, 14 Sep 2016 10:39:53 -0400 Rick Brass via CnC-List <cnc-list@cnc-list.com> wrote: West sells a fold up anchor ball for a relatively cheap $17. But I bet they don’t sell many. I’d not have a clue as to where you could go to buy a steaming cone. And I don’t think I’ve ever seen either one of these actually being used by a small boat. I do occasionally see day shapes displayed on the larger shrimp trawlers in our waters, but not often. Rick Brass Washington, NC From: CnC-List [mailto:cnc-list-boun...@cnc-list.com] On Behalf Of Marek Dziedzic via CnC-List Sent: Wednesday, September 14, 2016 9:59 AM To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com Cc: Marek Dziedzic <dziedzi...@hotmail.com> Subject: Re: Stus-List Electrical Question Rick, you do (so triple points for you (each point can be converted to a drink of your choice when visiting on my boat)). Though, I should have said that professionals should not apply (;-). I don’t have the day shapes either, but I have to say that a long while ago I used to sail on a boat that regularly displayed the black ball when anchoring. And we used to carry both the black ball and the black cone. However, I don’t remember ever displaying the inverted cone. And I don’t think I ever saw an inverted cone displayed. Marek Ottawa, ON ___ This list is supported by the generous donations of our members. If you like what we do, please help us pay for our costs by donating. All Contributions are greatly appreciated!
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Actually, Defender sells the cones ($15.63 or a better one for $55). If you look this up, there are many places that would sell you all shapes (balls, cones, double cones and cylinders). Now we don’t have the excuse? Marek Ottawa, ON From: Rick Brass via CnC-List Sent: Wednesday, September 14, 2016 10:41 To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com Cc: Rick Brass Subject: Re: Stus-List Electrical Question West sells a fold up anchor ball for a relatively cheap $17. But I bet they don’t sell many. I’d not have a clue as to where you could go to buy a steaming cone. And I don’t think I’ve ever seen either one of these actually being used by a small boat. I do occasionally see day shapes displayed on the larger shrimp trawlers in our waters, but not often. Rick Brass Washington, NC ___ This list is supported by the generous donations of our members. If you like what we do, please help us pay for our costs by donating. All Contributions are greatly appreciated!
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Special designated anchorage or not, I'm displaying my masthead all around AND a light near deck level in the hopes that Bubba the drunken party barge driver will see me. Dennis C. On Wed, Sep 14, 2016 at 9:56 AM, Bill Bina - gmail via CnC-List < cnc-list@cnc-list.com> wrote: > It is not that important, as it really is no bother to display an anchor > light. I always do, whether required or not. The original discussion was > started by someone who had found, and was in, a special anchorage and was > incorrectly told that he was required to display an anchor light. It was a > good suggestion, but not a legal requirement in that specific case. I > wouldn't waste time worrying about whether an anchorage is "special" or > not. It is not really much of a bonus. > > Bill Bina > > On 9/14/2016 10:48 AM, Rick Brass via CnC-List wrote: > > Must be nice to be in an area that has them. > > > > Coast Pilot 4 (Cape Henry to Key West) lists only 6: > > Simons Island, GA > > Ashley River, SC (Charleston area) > > St. Johns River, FL > > 2 in the Indian River, FL > > Okeechobee Waterway, Stuart, FL > > > > The closest thing we have in NC is at Lockwoods Folly Inlet, but that is > reserved for military and other vessels carrying up to 8000 tons of > explosives. And there is an anchorage area off Beaufort NC for cargo > vessels awaiting space in the state port in Morehead City, NC. > > > > *From:* CnC-List [mailto:cnc-list-boun...@cnc-list.com > <cnc-list-boun...@cnc-list.com>] *On Behalf Of *BillBinaList via CnC-List > *Sent:* Wednesday, September 14, 2016 5:47 AM > *To:* cnc-list@cnc-list.com > *Cc:* BillBinaList <billbinal...@gmail.com> <billbinal...@gmail.com> > *Subject:* Re: Stus-List Electrical Question > > > > I anchor in special anchorages frequently. They are clearly marked as such > on charts. They are plentiful in my home sailing area, and many of them > would not be suitable for anything large or commercial, as they are often > no more than about 6-12 feet deep. I refer you to US Chart 13205 as an > example. Maybe you just sail in an area that is not as accommodating to > recreation. Regardless, if a Coastie told you you needed an anchor light in > one of those many special anchorages, as the poster said he was told, they > were wrong. There is no regulation saying you can't display your anchor > light there, and I recommend that you do. But, it is not required.:-) > > § 109.10 Special anchorage areas. > > An Act of Congress of April 22, 1940, provides for the designation of > special anchorage areas wherein vessels not more than sixty-five feet in > length, when at anchor, will not be required to carry or exhibit anchorage > lights. Such designation is to be made after investigation, by rule, > regulation, or order, the procedure for which will be similar to that > followed for anchorage grounds under section 7 of the Rivers and Harbors > Act of March 4, 1915, as referred to in § 109.05. The areas so designated > should be well removed from the fairways and located where general > navigation will not endanger or be endangered by unlighted vessels. The > authority to designate special anchorage areas was transferred to and > vested in the Secretary of Homeland Security by section 902(j) of the Coast > Guard and Maritime Transportation Act of 2006 (Pub. L. 109-241, 120 Stat > 516), and delegated to the Commandant of the U.S. Coast Guard in Department > of Homeland Security Delegation No. 0170.1. The Commandant redelegated the > authority to establish anchorage grounds to each Coast Guard District > Commander as provided in 33 CFR 1.05 > <https://www.law.cornell.edu/cfr/text/33/1.05>-1(e)(1)(i). > > Bill Bina > > > > > > > ___ > > This list is supported by the generous donations of our members. If you like > what we do, please help us pay for our costs by donating. All Contributions > are greatly appreciated! > > > > ___ > > This list is supported by the generous donations of our members. If you > like what we do, please help us pay for our costs by donating. All > Contributions are greatly appreciated! > > ___ This list is supported by the generous donations of our members. If you like what we do, please help us pay for our costs by donating. All Contributions are greatly appreciated!
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I don't think this is unique to Maryland. I put my anchor light on when going ashore for the evening as it makes finding my boat in a dark crowded anchorage so much easier upon return. If everyone put their anchor lights on my advantage would disappear!! -- Jonathan Indigo C 35III SOUTHPORT CT > On Sep 14, 2016, at 11:02, Della Barba, Joe via CnC-List >wrote: > > In Maryland at least, moored boats will almost never have an anchor light > showing if no one is aboard ___ This list is supported by the generous donations of our members. If you like what we do, please help us pay for our costs by donating. All Contributions are greatly appreciated!
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In Maryland at least, moored boats will almost never have an anchor light showing if no one is aboard, designated anchorage or not. Cheap solar lawn lights have changed that a bit, but I would not count on it. I never could sleep easy with no anchor light on, moored or not. Speaking of anchor lights, a masthead level LED anchor light can look very much like an airplane or a star unrelated to any boat under it on a hazy night. Deck level lights are a big help to avoid drunk powerboats that never look up. Joe Coquina From: CnC-List [mailto:cnc-list-boun...@cnc-list.com] On Behalf Of Bill Bina - gmail via CnC-List Sent: Wednesday, September 14, 2016 10:57 To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com Cc: Bill Bina - gmail Subject: Re: Stus-List Electrical Question It is not that important, as it really is no bother to display an anchor light. I always do, whether required or not. The original discussion was started by someone who had found, and was in, a special anchorage and was incorrectly told that he was required to display an anchor light. It was a good suggestion, but not a legal requirement in that specific case. I wouldn't waste time worrying about whether an anchorage is "special" or not. It is not really much of a bonus. Bill Bina ___ This list is supported by the generous donations of our members. If you like what we do, please help us pay for our costs by donating. All Contributions are greatly appreciated!
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It is not that important, as it really is no bother to display an anchor light. I always do, whether required or not. The original discussion was started by someone who had found, and was in, a special anchorage and was incorrectly told that he was required to display an anchor light. It was a good suggestion, but not a legal requirement in that specific case. I wouldn't waste time worrying about whether an anchorage is "special" or not. It is not really much of a bonus. Bill Bina On 9/14/2016 10:48 AM, Rick Brass via CnC-List wrote: Must be nice to be in an area that has them. Coast Pilot 4 (Cape Henry to Key West) lists only 6: Simons Island, GA Ashley River, SC (Charleston area) St. Johns River, FL 2 in the Indian River, FL Okeechobee Waterway, Stuart, FL The closest thing we have in NC is at Lockwoods Folly Inlet, but that is reserved for military and other vessels carrying up to 8000 tons of explosives. And there is an anchorage area off Beaufort NC for cargo vessels awaiting space in the state port in Morehead City, NC. *From:*CnC-List [mailto:cnc-list-boun...@cnc-list.com] *On Behalf Of *BillBinaList via CnC-List *Sent:* Wednesday, September 14, 2016 5:47 AM *To:* cnc-list@cnc-list.com *Cc:* BillBinaList <billbinal...@gmail.com> *Subject:* Re: Stus-List Electrical Question I anchor in special anchorages frequently. They are clearly marked as such on charts. They are plentiful in my home sailing area, and many of them would not be suitable for anything large or commercial, as they are often no more than about 6-12 feet deep. I refer you to US Chart 13205 as an example. Maybe you just sail in an area that is not as accommodating to recreation. Regardless, if a Coastie told you you needed an anchor light in one of those many special anchorages, as the poster said he was told, they were wrong. There is no regulation saying you can't display your anchor light there, and I recommend that you do. But, it is not required.:-) § 109.10 Special anchorage areas. An Act of Congress of April 22, 1940, provides for the designation of special anchorage areas wherein vessels not more than sixty-five feet in length, when at anchor, will not be required to carry or exhibit anchorage lights. Such designation is to be made after investigation, by rule, regulation, or order, the procedure for which will be similar to that followed for anchorage grounds under section 7 of the Rivers and Harbors Act of March 4, 1915, as referred to in § 109.05. The areas so designated should be well removed from the fairways and located where general navigation will not endanger or be endangered by unlighted vessels. The authority to designate special anchorage areas was transferred to and vested in the Secretary of Homeland Security by section 902(j) of the Coast Guard and Maritime Transportation Act of 2006 (Pub. L. 109-241, 120 Stat 516), and delegated to the Commandant of the U.S. Coast Guard in Department of Homeland Security Delegation No. 0170.1. The Commandant redelegated the authority to establish anchorage grounds to each Coast Guard District Commander as provided in 33 CFR 1.05 <https://www.law.cornell.edu/cfr/text/33/1.05>-1(e)(1)(i). Bill Bina ___ This list is supported by the generous donations of our members. If you like what we do, please help us pay for our costs by donating. All Contributions are greatly appreciated! ___ This list is supported by the generous donations of our members. If you like what we do, please help us pay for our costs by donating. All Contributions are greatly appreciated!
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Must be nice to be in an area that has them. Coast Pilot 4 (Cape Henry to Key West) lists only 6: Simons Island, GA Ashley River, SC (Charleston area) St. Johns River, FL 2 in the Indian River, FL Okeechobee Waterway, Stuart, FL The closest thing we have in NC is at Lockwoods Folly Inlet, but that is reserved for military and other vessels carrying up to 8000 tons of explosives. And there is an anchorage area off Beaufort NC for cargo vessels awaiting space in the state port in Morehead City, NC. From: CnC-List [mailto:cnc-list-boun...@cnc-list.com] On Behalf Of BillBinaList via CnC-List Sent: Wednesday, September 14, 2016 5:47 AM To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com Cc: BillBinaList <billbinal...@gmail.com> Subject: Re: Stus-List Electrical Question I anchor in special anchorages frequently. They are clearly marked as such on charts. They are plentiful in my home sailing area, and many of them would not be suitable for anything large or commercial, as they are often no more than about 6-12 feet deep. I refer you to US Chart 13205 as an example. Maybe you just sail in an area that is not as accommodating to recreation. Regardless, if a Coastie told you you needed an anchor light in one of those many special anchorages, as the poster said he was told, they were wrong. There is no regulation saying you can't display your anchor light there, and I recommend that you do. But, it is not required.:-) § 109.10 Special anchorage areas. An Act of Congress of April 22, 1940, provides for the designation of special anchorage areas wherein vessels not more than sixty-five feet in length, when at anchor, will not be required to carry or exhibit anchorage lights. Such designation is to be made after investigation, by rule, regulation, or order, the procedure for which will be similar to that followed for anchorage grounds under section 7 of the Rivers and Harbors Act of March 4, 1915, as referred to in § 109.05. The areas so designated should be well removed from the fairways and located where general navigation will not endanger or be endangered by unlighted vessels. The authority to designate special anchorage areas was transferred to and vested in the Secretary of Homeland Security by section 902(j) of the Coast Guard and Maritime Transportation Act of 2006 (Pub. L. 109-241, 120 Stat 516), and delegated to the Commandant of the U.S. Coast Guard in Department of Homeland Security Delegation No. 0170.1. The Commandant redelegated the authority to establish anchorage grounds to each Coast Guard District Commander as provided in 33 CFR 1.05 <https://www.law.cornell.edu/cfr/text/33/1.05> -1(e)(1)(i). Bill Bina ___ This list is supported by the generous donations of our members. If you like what we do, please help us pay for our costs by donating. All Contributions are greatly appreciated!
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West sells a fold up anchor ball for a relatively cheap $17. But I bet they don’t sell many. I’d not have a clue as to where you could go to buy a steaming cone. And I don’t think I’ve ever seen either one of these actually being used by a small boat. I do occasionally see day shapes displayed on the larger shrimp trawlers in our waters, but not often. Rick Brass Washington, NC From: CnC-List [mailto:cnc-list-boun...@cnc-list.com] On Behalf Of Marek Dziedzic via CnC-List Sent: Wednesday, September 14, 2016 9:59 AM To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com Cc: Marek Dziedzic <dziedzi...@hotmail.com> Subject: Re: Stus-List Electrical Question Rick, you do (so triple points for you (each point can be converted to a drink of your choice when visiting on my boat)). Though, I should have said that professionals should not apply (;-). I don’t have the day shapes either, but I have to say that a long while ago I used to sail on a boat that regularly displayed the black ball when anchoring. And we used to carry both the black ball and the black cone. However, I don’t remember ever displaying the inverted cone. And I don’t think I ever saw an inverted cone displayed. Marek Ottawa, ON ___ This list is supported by the generous donations of our members. If you like what we do, please help us pay for our costs by donating. All Contributions are greatly appreciated!
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Speaking of black balls. We were in the middle Long Island Sound years ago when I see a large tanker heading my way. So being a good dubie I alter my course to avoid them.I look back at the tanker at it appears to have altered its course too...right back onto a collision course! Woah. So I change again. So does the ship. Must have happened a half dozen times! I'm thinking is this a maritime version of the movie "Duel"? Finally get close enough to get the binocs on her to get a name. Didn't get the name but I did see the black ball. Felt like a bit of an idiot... David F. Risch (401) 419-4650 (cell) To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com Date: Wed, 14 Sep 2016 09:59:07 -0400 Subject: Re: Stus-List Electrical Question From: cnc-list@cnc-list.com CC: dziedzi...@hotmail.com Rick, you do (so triple points for you (each point can be converted to a drink of your choice when visiting on my boat)). Though, I should have said that professionals should not apply (;-). I don’t have the day shapes either, but I have to say that a long while ago I used to sail on a boat that regularly displayed the black ball when anchoring. And we used to carry both the black ball and the black cone. However, I don’t remember ever displaying the inverted cone. And I don’t think I ever saw an inverted cone displayed. Marek Ottawa, ON From: Rick Brass via CnC-List Sent: Tuesday, September 13, 2016 22:56 To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com Cc: Rick Brass Subject: Re: Stus-List Electrical Question So I get extra credit for knowing it’s a black ball, and double for knowing it’s an inverted cone? No, wait,, you don’t need to send anything. The USCG already gave me my Masters’ License for knowing this sort of minutia. And, no, I don’t have any day shapes aboard any of my boats – including the charter schooner I run. And the USCG has never asked. Rick Brass Washington, NC From: CnC-List [mailto:cnc-list-boun...@cnc-list.com] On Behalf Of Marek Dziedzic via CnC-List Sent: Monday, September 12, 2016 12:41 PM To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com Cc: Marek Dziedzic <dziedzi...@hotmail.com> Subject: Re: Stus-List Electrical Question Of course we all are guilty of not following the rules (e.g. raise hand who regularly displays a day shape when anchoring (for extra points, who knows what the day shape for anchoring is), or worse yet – who regularly (or even occasionally) displays the day shape that is required for a sailing vessel under auxiliary power? (double points if you know what that one is without looking up)). Marek ___ This list is supported by the generous donations of our members. If you like what we do, please help us pay for our costs by donating. All Contributions are greatly appreciated! ___ This list is supported by the generous donations of our members. If you like what we do, please help us pay for our costs by donating. All Contributions are greatly appreciated!
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Rick, you do (so triple points for you (each point can be converted to a drink of your choice when visiting on my boat)). Though, I should have said that professionals should not apply (;-). I don’t have the day shapes either, but I have to say that a long while ago I used to sail on a boat that regularly displayed the black ball when anchoring. And we used to carry both the black ball and the black cone. However, I don’t remember ever displaying the inverted cone. And I don’t think I ever saw an inverted cone displayed. Marek Ottawa, ON From: Rick Brass via CnC-List Sent: Tuesday, September 13, 2016 22:56 To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com Cc: Rick Brass Subject: Re: Stus-List Electrical Question So I get extra credit for knowing it’s a black ball, and double for knowing it’s an inverted cone? No, wait,, you don’t need to send anything. The USCG already gave me my Masters’ License for knowing this sort of minutia. And, no, I don’t have any day shapes aboard any of my boats – including the charter schooner I run. And the USCG has never asked. Rick Brass Washington, NC From: CnC-List [mailto:cnc-list-boun...@cnc-list.com] On Behalf Of Marek Dziedzic via CnC-List Sent: Monday, September 12, 2016 12:41 PM To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com Cc: Marek Dziedzic <dziedzi...@hotmail.com> Subject: Re: Stus-List Electrical Question Of course we all are guilty of not following the rules (e.g. raise hand who regularly displays a day shape when anchoring (for extra points, who knows what the day shape for anchoring is), or worse yet – who regularly (or even occasionally) displays the day shape that is required for a sailing vessel under auxiliary power? (double points if you know what that one is without looking up)). Marek ___ This list is supported by the generous donations of our members. If you like what we do, please help us pay for our costs by donating. All Contributions are greatly appreciated!
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Just think Mike, if I had simply bought the Aqua Signal (or a Hunter) this discussion might not have taken place. And after the discussion on the Victory fixture and figuring out how to connect it correctly, I am going with the Aqua Signal. Rob On 2016-09-14 9:55 AM, Hoyt, Mike via CnC-List wrote: Rob Buy a 40 foot boat so we can start this discussion all over again! Make it a Hunter so it can be even more interesting Mike *From:*CnC-List [mailto:cnc-list-boun...@cnc-list.com] *On Behalf Of *robert via CnC-List *Sent:* Wednesday, September 14, 2016 9:35 AM *To:* cnc-list@cnc-list.com *Cc:* robert *Subject:* Stus-List Electrical Question Rick: I got the puzzle solved.you have to take this particular fixture (made by Victory) apart to make the appropriate connections..there is a common 'ground' for both lights plus the 'positive' and 'negative'. In addition to the single wire exiting the back of the fixture, the other two connections are 'brass like screws' inside the fixture.why they would do this is mind boggling.why not have the three wires exit. Nevertheless, I am going this morning to buy the $3X more expensive Aqua Signal fixture...I was up my mast last evening and that is what is there now and that is what I will replace it with. Trusting everyone is now clear on what is required for navigation lights.I think I am. "If you are under power and also shorter than 12 meters, you may use the option of an all-around white light above the red/green instead of the stern & masthead lights." Maybe this is what my fellow club member was referring to when he said I didn't need my masthead/steaming light, just my anchor light when under power. Rob Abbott AZURA C 32-84 Halifax, N.S. On 2016-09-14 12:34 AM, Rick Brass via CnC-List wrote: I believe someone already answered your question. The light needs to have at least two connections (power and ground) if both bulbs are on a single switch. 3 connections is more likely… lets you have independent switch for steaming and foredeck, plus a common/ground. That’s probably what you are looking at in the picture – 3 wire in a single insulated cover. I suppose you could have 4 wires, with 2 independent grounds, but why bother? *From:*CnC-List [mailto:cnc-list-boun...@cnc-list.com] *On Behalf Of *robert via CnC-List *Sent:* Tuesday, September 13, 2016 9:28 AM *To:* cnc-list@cnc-list.com <mailto:cnc-list@cnc-list.com> *Cc:* robert <robertabb...@eastlink.ca> <mailto:robertabb...@eastlink.ca> *Subject:* Stus-List Electrical Question So back to the beginning, the fixture I saw at the Binnacle looks very much the same as the existing one..I like this as I would not have to drill new holes to attach but if I have to, so be it. The new fixture only has one wire to attach whereas mine appears to have three (not exactly sure as I have not yet removed it from the mast although there are three existing the base of the mast) and I have no idea how to connect it. There must be a logical way to connect it? Rob ___ This list is supported by the generous donations of our members. If you like what we do, please help us pay for our costs by donating. All Contributions are greatly appreciated! ___ This list is supported by the generous donations of our members. If you like what we do, please help us pay for our costs by donating. All Contributions are greatly appreciated! ___ This list is supported by the generous donations of our members. If you like what we do, please help us pay for our costs by donating. All Contributions are greatly appreciated!
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Rob Buy a 40 foot boat so we can start this discussion all over again! Make it a Hunter so it can be even more interesting Mike From: CnC-List [mailto:cnc-list-boun...@cnc-list.com] On Behalf Of robert via CnC-List Sent: Wednesday, September 14, 2016 9:35 AM To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com Cc: robert Subject: Stus-List Electrical Question Rick: I got the puzzle solved.you have to take this particular fixture (made by Victory) apart to make the appropriate connections..there is a common 'ground' for both lights plus the 'positive' and 'negative'. In addition to the single wire exiting the back of the fixture, the other two connections are 'brass like screws' inside the fixture.why they would do this is mind boggling.why not have the three wires exit. Nevertheless, I am going this morning to buy the $3X more expensive Aqua Signal fixture...I was up my mast last evening and that is what is there now and that is what I will replace it with. Trusting everyone is now clear on what is required for navigation lights.I think I am. "If you are under power and also shorter than 12 meters, you may use the option of an all-around white light above the red/green instead of the stern & masthead lights." Maybe this is what my fellow club member was referring to when he said I didn't need my masthead/steaming light, just my anchor light when under power. Rob Abbott AZURA C 32-84 Halifax, N.S. On 2016-09-14 12:34 AM, Rick Brass via CnC-List wrote: I believe someone already answered your question. The light needs to have at least two connections (power and ground) if both bulbs are on a single switch. 3 connections is more likely... lets you have independent switch for steaming and foredeck, plus a common/ground. That's probably what you are looking at in the picture - 3 wire in a single insulated cover. I suppose you could have 4 wires, with 2 independent grounds, but why bother? From: CnC-List [mailto:cnc-list-boun...@cnc-list.com] On Behalf Of robert via CnC-List Sent: Tuesday, September 13, 2016 9:28 AM To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com<mailto:cnc-list@cnc-list.com> Cc: robert <robertabb...@eastlink.ca><mailto:robertabb...@eastlink.ca> Subject: Stus-List Electrical Question So back to the beginning, the fixture I saw at the Binnacle looks very much the same as the existing one..I like this as I would not have to drill new holes to attach but if I have to, so be it. The new fixture only has one wire to attach whereas mine appears to have three (not exactly sure as I have not yet removed it from the mast although there are three existing the base of the mast) and I have no idea how to connect it. There must be a logical way to connect it? Rob ___ This list is supported by the generous donations of our members. If you like what we do, please help us pay for our costs by donating. All Contributions are greatly appreciated! ___ This list is supported by the generous donations of our members. If you like what we do, please help us pay for our costs by donating. All Contributions are greatly appreciated!
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Rick: I got the puzzle solved.you have to take this particular fixture (made by Victory) apart to make the appropriate connections..there is a common 'ground' for both lights plus the 'positive' and 'negative'. In addition to the single wire exiting the back of the fixture, the other two connections are 'brass like screws' inside the fixture.why they would do this is mind boggling.why not have the three wires exit. Nevertheless, I am going this morning to buy the $3X more expensive Aqua Signal fixture...I was up my mast last evening and that is what is there now and that is what I will replace it with. Trusting everyone is now clear on what is required for navigation lights.I think I am. "If you are under power and also shorter than 12 meters, you may use the option of an all-around white light above the red/green instead of the stern & masthead lights." Maybe this is what my fellow club member was referring to when he said I didn't need my masthead/steaming light, just my anchor light when under power. Rob Abbott AZURA C 32-84 Halifax, N.S. On 2016-09-14 12:34 AM, Rick Brass via CnC-List wrote: I believe someone already answered your question. The light needs to have at least two connections (power and ground) if both bulbs are on a single switch. 3 connections is more likely… lets you have independent switch for steaming and foredeck, plus a common/ground. That’s probably what you are looking at in the picture – 3 wire in a single insulated cover. I suppose you could have 4 wires, with 2 independent grounds, but why bother? *From:*CnC-List [mailto:cnc-list-boun...@cnc-list.com] *On Behalf Of *robert via CnC-List *Sent:* Tuesday, September 13, 2016 9:28 AM *To:* cnc-list@cnc-list.com *Cc:* robert <robertabb...@eastlink.ca> *Subject:* Stus-List Electrical Question So back to the beginning, the fixture I saw at the Binnacle looks very much the same as the existing one..I like this as I would not have to drill new holes to attach but if I have to, so be it. The new fixture only has one wire to attach whereas mine appears to have three (not exactly sure as I have not yet removed it from the mast although there are three existing the base of the mast) and I have no idea how to connect it. There must be a logical way to connect it? Rob ___ This list is supported by the generous donations of our members. If you like what we do, please help us pay for our costs by donating. All Contributions are greatly appreciated! ___ This list is supported by the generous donations of our members. If you like what we do, please help us pay for our costs by donating. All Contributions are greatly appreciated!
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I anchor in special anchorages frequently. They are clearly marked as such on charts. They are plentiful in my home sailing area, and many of them would not be suitable for anything large or commercial, as they are often no more than about 6-12 feet deep. I refer you to US Chart 13205 as an example. Maybe you just sail in an area that is not as accommodating to recreation. Regardless, if a Coastie told you you needed an anchor light in one of those many special anchorages, as the poster said he was told, they were wrong. There is no regulation saying you can't display your anchor light there, and I recommend that you do. But, it is not required.:-) § 109.10 Special anchorage areas. An Act of Congress of April 22, 1940, provides for the designation of special anchorage areas wherein vessels not more than sixty-five feet in length, when at anchor, will not be required to carry or exhibit anchorage lights. Such designation is to be made after investigation, by rule, regulation, or order, the procedure for which will be similar to that followed for anchorage grounds under section 7 of the Rivers and Harbors Act of March 4, 1915, as referred to in § 109.05. The areas so designated should be well removed from the fairways and located where general navigation will not endanger or be endangered by unlighted vessels. The authority to designate special anchorage areas was transferred to and vested in the Secretary of Homeland Security by section 902(j) of the Coast Guard and Maritime Transportation Act of 2006 (Pub. L. 109-241, 120 Stat 516), and delegated to the Commandant of the U.S. Coast Guard in Department of Homeland Security Delegation No. 0170.1. The Commandant redelegated the authority to establish anchorage grounds to each Coast Guard District Commander as provided in 33 CFR 1.05 <https://www.law.cornell.edu/cfr/text/33/1.05>-1(e)(1)(i). Bill Bina On 9/13/2016 11:09 PM, Rick Brass via CnC-List wrote: Actually, they didn’t, Bill. If you look at the list of “Designated Special Anchorages” (and it takes some effort to find it) you will see that not one of them is anywhere that we would chose to anchor our boats. They are very limited and specialized locations populated by larger commercial vessels, not just a wide spot in a creek or open space out in the river in front of town. Rick Brass Washington, NC *From:*CnC-List [mailto:cnc-list-boun...@cnc-list.com] *On Behalf Of *BillBinaList via CnC-List *Sent:* Monday, September 12, 2016 5:21 PM *To:* cnc-list@cnc-list.com *Cc:* BillBinaList <billbinal...@gmail.com> *Subject:* Re: Stus-List Electrical Question Rule 30 part G of the Colregs says those Coasties flunked their exam. 8-) —INLAND— Lights and Shapes RULE 30— CONTINUED (g) A vessel of less than 20 meters in length, when at anchor in a special anchorage area designated by the Secretary, shall not be required to exhibit the anchor lights and shapes required by this Rule. Bill Bina ___ This list is supported by the generous donations of our members. If you like what we do, please help us pay for our costs by donating. All Contributions are greatly appreciated! ___ This list is supported by the generous donations of our members. If you like what we do, please help us pay for our costs by donating. All Contributions are greatly appreciated!
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If your vessel is being powered exclusively by sails, it is a sailing vessel. If it is being powered by machinery (to make sure it includes those with Torquedo outboards and other electric motors) it is a power driven vessel. And if you are motor sailing, you are also a power driven vessel. Everyone should have a copy of the COLREGS aboard, or at least download a copy and take an hour and read them. And remember the lights are intended to tell other skippers: What sort of vessel you have, What direction you are going, How big your vessel is, What it is doing at the moment, And if it is in a situation that would make it difficult to avoid a collision. Rick Brass Washington, NC From: CnC-List [mailto:cnc-list-boun...@cnc-list.com] On Behalf Of robert via CnC-List Sent: Tuesday, September 13, 2016 10:48 AM To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com Cc: robert <robertabb...@eastlink.ca> Subject: Stus-List Electrical Question Any wonder there is confusion on this issue.what's the difference between "sailing vessels less than 20m in length" and any powerboat? Rob On 2016-09-13 11:16 AM, Andrew Burton via CnC-List wrote: Read also what it says about power vessels. When you have the engine on, your boat is a motor vessel. Andy C 40 Peregrine ___ This list is supported by the generous donations of our members. If you like what we do, please help us pay for our costs by donating. All Contributions are greatly appreciated!
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I believe someone already answered your question. The light needs to have at least two connections (power and ground) if both bulbs are on a single switch. 3 connections is more likely. lets you have independent switch for steaming and foredeck, plus a common/ground. That's probably what you are looking at in the picture - 3 wire in a single insulated cover. I suppose you could have 4 wires, with 2 independent grounds, but why bother? From: CnC-List [mailto:cnc-list-boun...@cnc-list.com] On Behalf Of robert via CnC-List Sent: Tuesday, September 13, 2016 9:28 AM To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com Cc: robert <robertabb...@eastlink.ca> Subject: Stus-List Electrical Question So back to the beginning, the fixture I saw at the Binnacle looks very much the same as the existing one..I like this as I would not have to drill new holes to attach but if I have to, so be it. The new fixture only has one wire to attach whereas mine appears to have three (not exactly sure as I have not yet removed it from the mast although there are three existing the base of the mast) and I have no idea how to connect it. There must be a logical way to connect it? Rob ___ This list is supported by the generous donations of our members. If you like what we do, please help us pay for our costs by donating. All Contributions are greatly appreciated!
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"Inland" vs "Offshore" is only a reference to which rules in the COLREGS apply (in the US). The COLREGS line (where the change applies) is clearly marked on coastal charts. I was surprised to find that all of Delaware Bay is Inland, but part of Chesapeake Bay is not. Rick Brass Washington, NC From: CnC-List [mailto:cnc-list-boun...@cnc-list.com] On Behalf Of BillBinaList via CnC-List Sent: Monday, September 12, 2016 5:59 PM To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com Cc: BillBinaList <billbinal...@gmail.com> Subject: Re: Stus-List Electrical Question Designated anchorages are marked as such on charts. If it just says anchorage, it is not a designated anchorage. You would also be amazed at what is "inland waters". Most coastal areas are covered. Bill Bina ___ This list is supported by the generous donations of our members. If you like what we do, please help us pay for our costs by donating. All Contributions are greatly appreciated!
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Forget the anchor lights. In the situation you describe what you really need is an auto-targeting, high intensity, warning light. Like one of those bazillion watt lasers the government is developing to shoot down incoming missles. Problem solved. From: CnC-List [mailto:cnc-list-boun...@cnc-list.com] On Behalf Of Dennis C. via CnC-List Sent: Monday, September 12, 2016 5:37 PM To: CnClist <cnc-list@cnc-list.com> Cc: Dennis C. <capt...@gmail.com> Subject: Re: Stus-List Electrical Question A vessel at anchor should exhibit a white all around light where it can best be seen by the drunken idiot driving the party barge with no lights that's roaring through the anchorage at night causing the wake from hell. Dennis C. ___ This list is supported by the generous donations of our members. If you like what we do, please help us pay for our costs by donating. All Contributions are greatly appreciated!
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Actually, they didn't, Bill. If you look at the list of "Designated Special Anchorages" (and it takes some effort to find it) you will see that not one of them is anywhere that we would chose to anchor our boats. They are very limited and specialized locations populated by larger commercial vessels, not just a wide spot in a creek or open space out in the river in front of town. Rick Brass Washington, NC From: CnC-List [mailto:cnc-list-boun...@cnc-list.com] On Behalf Of BillBinaList via CnC-List Sent: Monday, September 12, 2016 5:21 PM To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com Cc: BillBinaList <billbinal...@gmail.com> Subject: Re: Stus-List Electrical Question Rule 30 part G of the Colregs says those Coasties flunked their exam. 8-) -INLAND- Lights and Shapes RULE 30- CONTINUED (g) A vessel of less than 20 meters in length, when at anchor in a special anchorage area designated by the Secretary, shall not be required to exhibit the anchor lights and shapes required by this Rule. Bill Bina ___ This list is supported by the generous donations of our members. If you like what we do, please help us pay for our costs by donating. All Contributions are greatly appreciated!
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So I get extra credit for knowing it’s a black ball, and double for knowing it’s an inverted cone? No, wait,, you don’t need to send anything. The USCG already gave me my Masters’ License for knowing this sort of minutia. And, no, I don’t have any day shapes aboard any of my boats – including the charter schooner I run. And the USCG has never asked. Rick Brass Washington, NC From: CnC-List [mailto:cnc-list-boun...@cnc-list.com] On Behalf Of Marek Dziedzic via CnC-List Sent: Monday, September 12, 2016 12:41 PM To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com Cc: Marek Dziedzic <dziedzi...@hotmail.com> Subject: Re: Stus-List Electrical Question Of course we all are guilty of not following the rules (e.g. raise hand who regularly displays a day shape when anchoring (for extra points, who knows what the day shape for anchoring is), or worse yet – who regularly (or even occasionally) displays the day shape that is required for a sailing vessel under auxiliary power? (double points if you know what that one is without looking up)). Marek ___ This list is supported by the generous donations of our members. If you like what we do, please help us pay for our costs by donating. All Contributions are greatly appreciated!
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Rick, I stand corrected. What I said applies only if you are shorter than 12 m. As an excuse I will say that I hardly ever considered to be concerned about a boat bigger (longer) than that. But you are right. And I don’t even have a C anymore. Btw. the question about Hunter’s lights (Rob’s brother’s) triggered a 5 page discussion on the SBO a while back. It must be a popular topic. Marek Ottawa, ON From: CnC-List [mailto:cnc-list-boun...@cnc-list.com] On Behalf Of Rick Brass via CnC-List Sent: Tuesday, September 13, 2016 22:48 To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com Cc: Rick Brass <rickbr...@earthlink.net> Subject: Re: Stus-List Electrical Question Marek; I know I’m being picky, but… What you say is not entirely correct is also not entirely correct. The rule does specify. If you are under power, you need red/green/ stern/ & masthead and the masthead must be above the red/green (there is a rule that says how far, but let’s not go there). If you are under power and also shorter than 12 meters, you may use the option of an all-around white light above the red/green instead of the stern & masthead lights. Rick Brass Washington, NC From: CnC-List [ <mailto:cnc-list-boun...@cnc-list.com> mailto:cnc-list-boun...@cnc-list.com] On Behalf Of Marek Dziedzic via CnC-List Sent: Monday, September 12, 2016 12:27 PM To: <mailto:cnc-list@cnc-list.com> cnc-list@cnc-list.com Cc: Marek Dziedzic < <mailto:dziedzi...@hotmail.com> dziedzi...@hotmail.com> Subject: Re: Stus-List Electrical Question Jonathan, This is not entirely correct. You have to display a white light 360 degrees AND the red/green side lights. The rule does not specify How you should display that 360 degree white light. It can be a single light (as long as, when you could see the side lights, it is above them) or it can be a combination of the stern light and the steaming light (i.e. the two lights complement each other to complete a full 360 degree visibility). ___ This list is supported by the generous donations of our members. If you like what we do, please help us pay for our costs by donating. All Contributions are greatly appreciated!
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Marek; I know I’m being picky, but… What you say is not entirely correct is also not entirely correct. The rule does specify. If you are under power, you need red/green/ stern/ & masthead and the masthead must be above the red/green (there is a rule that says how far, but let’s not go there). If you are under power and also shorter than 12 meters, you may use the option of an all-around white light above the red/green instead of the stern & masthead lights. Rick Brass Washington, NC From: CnC-List [mailto:cnc-list-boun...@cnc-list.com] On Behalf Of Marek Dziedzic via CnC-List Sent: Monday, September 12, 2016 12:27 PM To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com Cc: Marek Dziedzic <dziedzi...@hotmail.com> Subject: Re: Stus-List Electrical Question Jonathan, This is not entirely correct. You have to display a white light 360 degrees AND the red/green side lights. The rule does not specify How you should display that 360 degree white light. It can be a single light (as long as, when you could see the side lights, it is above them) or it can be a combination of the stern light and the steaming light (i.e. the two lights complement each other to complete a full 360 degree visibility). ___ This list is supported by the generous donations of our members. If you like what we do, please help us pay for our costs by donating. All Contributions are greatly appreciated!
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It's a Hunter, Rob. They don't expect most owners to ever leave the dock in the first place - and certainly never at night. The price is lower if they don't put it on, and they can make money by selling an option for those who want it. And most owners are probably not the sort who would even understand what the "masthead light" is for. Heck, even I admit the term is confusing. Is there, perhaps, a white light at the top of the mast that is in segments, the forward facing 2/3rds light up with a switch marked "masthead or steaming" and all of which lights up with a switch marked "Anchor light"? But then we'd not be having this interesting discussion of a light like that was commonplace. Rick Brass Washington, NC From: CnC-List [mailto:cnc-list-boun...@cnc-list.com] On Behalf Of robert via CnC-List Sent: Monday, September 12, 2016 11:35 AM To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com Cc: robert <robertabb...@eastlink.ca> Subject: Stus-List Electrical Question Interesting my brother's boat is a 2007 Hunter 33 and it does not have a 'steaming light' on the front of his mast. Wonder why Hunter would not have put one there if it is a legal requirement? ___ This list is supported by the generous donations of our members. If you like what we do, please help us pay for our costs by donating. All Contributions are greatly appreciated!
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Here is a link to the COLREGS. Since you are in Halifax, ignore the Inland Rules - which only apply to us down south: http://www.navcen.uscg.gov/pdf/navrules/navrules.pdf See rule 23d. The basic rule requires a masthead light. But paragraph d(1) applies if your boat is under 12 meters and lets you show an all-around white light instead of the masthead and stern lights when you are a "Power Driven Vessel". The 360 degree white light at the top of the mast is most properly called an "anchor light" - though you really don't need one since you can show any sort of light (including a battery operated one that you hoist when anchored or aground) so long as it meets the visibility requirements of the rules. You are not supposed to show the "anchor light" when sailing, but 23d1 lets you show it when motoring so long as your boat is less than 12 meters (39' for us southerners). Rick Brass Imzadi C 38 mk 2 la Belle Aurore C 25 mk1 Washington, NC From: CnC-List [mailto:cnc-list-boun...@cnc-list.com] On Behalf Of robert via CnC-List Sent: Monday, September 12, 2016 11:24 AM To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com Cc: robert <robertabb...@eastlink.ca> Subject: Stus-List Electrical Question The light I am talking about is the one 1/2 up the front of the mast just above the spreadersnot the one on the top of the mast seen 360 degrees..I was told the one on the front of the mast is longer a legal requirement but the one on the top of the mast is a legal requirement when motoring or motor sailing. Am I correct? Rob Abbott AZURA C 32 - 84 Halifax, N.S. ___ This list is supported by the generous donations of our members. If you like what we do, please help us pay for our costs by donating. All Contributions are greatly appreciated!
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Strictly speaking, it should be “tricolor/anchor light at the masthead”. The definition of a “masthead” light (Rule 21a): “Masthead light” means a white light placed over the fore and aft centerline of the vessel showing an unbroken light over an arc of the horizon of 225 degrees and so fixed as to show the light from right ahead to 22.5 degrees abaft the beam on either side of the vessel. I do wish it were called a “steaming light”, which would be so much less confusing. But the lights are used to identify vessel size and direction of travel, as well as used in circumstances other than “steaming” so I do understand there might be resistance to using that term. Anyway – it isn’t legal to show both the lights of a power boat (red/green/stern/masthead) and the lights of a sailboat (masthead tricolor) at the same. I suspect the Coasties would never pull you over and write you a ticket if you did it. Though I can see that a Coastie with an attitude and time on his hands might use the lights a reason to pull you over for a safety inspection. Rick Brass Washington, NC From: CnC-List [mailto:cnc-list-boun...@cnc-list.com] On Behalf Of Joel Aronson via CnC-List Sent: Monday, September 12, 2016 10:21 AM To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com Cc: Joel Aronson <joel.aron...@gmail.com> Subject: Re: Stus-List Electrical Question So if you have a combo tricolor/anchor masthead light and you are under power should they both be on? Joel ___ This list is supported by the generous donations of our members. If you like what we do, please help us pay for our costs by donating. All Contributions are greatly appreciated!
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Your point about visibility is sound. I also have a masthead tricolor on Imzadi for just that reason. But if you look at the Colregs (which BTW, and in response to someone's earlier comment, ARE International Rules, with the exception of a couple of small exceptions that apply in the US to INSHORE ONLY) The option of showing a masthead tricolor or the masthead red over green and a stern light is only available when you are sailing. When motoring you are a power boat and must comply with the requirements for power boats. Which means the steaming light needs to be above the red and green, and if you are less than 7 meters (IIRC correctly) you can show an all-around white instead of stern light and steaming (masthead) light. Rick Brass Imzadi C 38 mk 2 la Belle Aurore C 25 mk1 Washington, NC -Original Message- From: CnC-List [mailto:cnc-list-boun...@cnc-list.com] On Behalf Of Petar Horvatic via CnC-List Sent: Monday, September 12, 2016 9:59 AM To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com Cc: Petar Horvatic <phorv...@gmail.com> Subject: Re: Stus-List Electrical Question On the high seas, especially in swell, those deck level running lights might be useless. Typical example is crossing the gulf stream from FL to Bahamas. There is so much traffic there and if swell is up, deck level lights are not visible. Shipping lanes are very busy down there. To me, safety is more important than if red/green are below or above the steaming light. Tri-color takes priority for overnight crossings and offshore passages regardless of what the rules are, especially if going solo. Petar Horvatic Sundowner 76 C 38MkII Newport, RI ___ This list is supported by the generous donations of our members. If you like what we do, please help us pay for our costs by donating. All Contributions are greatly appreciated!
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For all of my fellow Canadians. Collodion Regs. http://laws-lois.justice.gc.ca/eng/regulations/C.R.C.,_c._1416/ Mike PERSUASION C 37 K/CB Long Sault > On Sep 12, 2016, at 11:42 AM, Andrew Burton via CnC-List >wrote: > > Rob, I'm pretty sure the steaming light is still required to be shown when > you're motoring or motorsailing. > > Andy > C 40 > Peregrine > >> On Mon, Sep 12, 2016 at 8:49 AM, robert via CnC-List >> wrote: >> When up the mast the other day, I noticed that my 'Steaming, Bow, Foredeck >> Light' was in pretty bad shape.probably the original 32 years old. Will >> probably replace it when the mast is hauled later this Fall although I >> understand this light is no longer legally required...but I do like the >> halogen foredeck light. >> >> I found this one linked below at the Binnacle...almost similar to the >> existing one: >> >> Lights-Steaming-Spreader-&-Deck-Lights/c23_156/p1349/AAA-MASTHEAD-/-DECK-LIGHT/product_info.html >> >> It appears, without removing mine, that there are three (3) white wires >> exiting the foot of the mast connecting to 'green, red and black' ..I >> assume the green is negative, red is positive and black in ground. >> >> Here's the question..the new light fixture at the Binnacle only has one >> white wire as a connection...there is (are) no other places on the back >> of the fixture to connect other wires. So if my old fixture has 3 >> connections (assuming it does but I have not removed it to be sure) and this >> new fixture only has one 'white wire', how do you connect it? >> >> As you can tell, I am no electrician. >> >> Rob Abbott >> AZURA >> C 32 - 84 >> Halifax, N.S. >> >> ___ >> >> This list is supported by the generous donations of our members. If you like >> what we do, please help us pay for our costs by donating. All Contributions >> are greatly appreciated! > > > > -- > Andrew Burton > 61 W Narragansett Ave > Newport, RI > USA 02840 > http://sites.google.com/site/andrewburtonyachtservices/ > phone +401 965 5260 > ___ > > This list is supported by the generous donations of our members. If you like > what we do, please help us pay for our costs by donating. All Contributions > are greatly appreciated! ___ This list is supported by the generous donations of our members. If you like what we do, please help us pay for our costs by donating. All Contributions are greatly appreciated!
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This is actually very simple. Under power you need the lights of a powerboat, because that is what you are now. A "foredeck light" is something that illuminates the foredeck for work. A steaming light is what makes you legal under power. A steaming light may happen to light up the foredeck, mine does, but it meets specifications for color and visibility. A spotlight aimed down at the deck would not do so. Joe Coquina Meanwhile...actual powerboats run around with no lights at all or random collections of colored and white lights that have no resemblance to legal running lights. We play a game at night trying to figure out what we are seeing and I doubt more than *maybe* half the powerboats have legal lights. From: CnC-List [mailto:cnc-list-boun...@cnc-list.com] On Behalf Of robert via CnC-List Sent: Tuesday, September 13, 2016 10:48 To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com Cc: robert Subject: Stus-List Electrical Question Any wonder there is confusion on this issue.what's the difference between "sailing vessels less than 20m in length" and any powerboat? Rob On 2016-09-13 11:16 AM, Andrew Burton via CnC-List wrote: Read also what it says about power vessels. When you have the engine on, your boat is a motor vessel. Andy C 40 Peregrine On Tue, Sep 13, 2016 at 9:27 AM, robert via CnC-List <cnc-list@cnc-list.com<mailto:cnc-list@cnc-list.com>> wrote: Appears my 'electrical question' veered off into another discussion on 'navigation lights'my fault when I said I was told by a fellow club member that my 'masthead/steaming light' was not a legal requirement for my boat. I took the following quote from the West Marine site supplied my Marek: "Sailing vessels less than 20m in length need to show sidelights and a stern light. These may be combined into a bicolor light and stern light, or a single tricolor light at the top of the mast." My boat is "less than 20m in length". Whether the fixture is a legal requirement or not, I am going to replace it with one similar because I want the 'foredeck light', but if it is indeed a legal requirement, I want to comply as well. So back to the beginning, the fixture I saw at the Binnacle looks very much the same as the existing one..I like this as I would not have to drill new holes to attach but if I have to, so be it. The new fixture only has one wire to attach whereas mine appears to have three (not exactly sure as I have not yet removed it from the mast although there are three existing the base of the mast) and I have no idea how to connect it. There must be a logical way to connect it? Rob t we do, please help us pay for our costs by donating. All Contributions are greatly appreciated! ___ This list is supported by the generous donations of our members. If you like what we do, please help us pay for our costs by donating. All Contributions are greatly appreciated!
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Any wonder there is confusion on this issue.what's the difference between "sailing vessels less than 20m in length" and any powerboat? Rob On 2016-09-13 11:16 AM, Andrew Burton via CnC-List wrote: Read also what it says about power vessels. When you have the engine on, your boat is a motor vessel. Andy C 40 Peregrine On Tue, Sep 13, 2016 at 9:27 AM, robert via CnC-List <cnc-list@cnc-list.com <mailto:cnc-list@cnc-list.com>> wrote: Appears my 'electrical question' veered off into another discussion on 'navigation lights'my fault when I said I was told by a fellow club member that my 'masthead/steaming light' was not a legal requirement for my boat. I took the following quote from the West Marine site supplied my Marek: "Sailing vessels less than 20m in length need to show sidelights and a stern light. These may be combined into a bicolor light and stern light, or a single tricolor light at the top of the mast." My boat is "less than 20m in length". Whether the fixture is a legal requirement or not, I am going to replace it with one similar because I want the 'foredeck light', but if it is indeed a legal requirement, I want to comply as well. So back to the beginning, the fixture I saw at the Binnacle looks very much the same as the existing one..I like this as I would not have to drill new holes to attach but if I have to, so be it. The new fixture only has one wire to attach whereas mine appears to have three (not exactly sure as I have not yet removed it from the mast although there are three existing the base of the mast) and I have no idea how to connect it. There must be a logical way to connect it? Rob On 2016-09-12 2:02 PM, Marek Dziedzic via CnC-List wrote: Rob, As Frederick said, whoever told you that was mistaken. This illustrates what you have to show: http://www.westmarine.com/WestAdvisor/Navigation-Light-Rules <http://www.westmarine.com/WestAdvisor/Navigation-Light-Rules> (scroll down to a picture at the bottom of the page). Keep in mind that HOW you display the light is up to you (one light, combination of several lights), as long as you display the RIGHT COLOURS and in the RIGHT SEGMENTS. Marek *From:* robert via CnC-List *Sent:* Monday, September 12, 2016 11:29 *To:* cnc-list@cnc-list.com *Cc:* robert *Subject:* Stus-List Electrical Question Marek: The light on the front of the mast about 1/2 way up just above the spreaders is the one I am talking about..I was told it is no longer a legal requirement but the 'anchor light' at the top of the mast is a legal requirement..it can be seen 360 degrees but the light 1/2 way up the front of the mast can not be seen 360 degrees. I didn't think a single wire made sense also and did not buy the fixture. I will buy the more expensive Aqua Signal. Thanks all for your input. Rob Abbott AZURA C 32 - 84 Halifax, N.S. On 2016-09-12 10:24 AM, Marek Dziedzic via CnC-List wrote: Rob, I am not sure to which part you refer as “no longer legally required”. You don’t need the deck light, for sure, but you do need a steaming light, unless you can show a 360 degrees white light in some other way (e.g. turn off the stern light and turn on the anchor light at the top of the mast). A single wire out of the combination light does not make sense. You need at least two, unless they try using the mast as the ground (then I would not buy it). Most of the combo lights come with separate leads for each function, i.e. negative/ground (usually common), positive - steaming, positive - deck light. Some combo lights had a switch in the unit that allow to run the power with a single positive wire (plus the negative). If this is one like that, the switch turns e.g. steaming light when you turn it on, but if you switch it off and on again, it would turn the deck light, and again - both. You would have to decide if that meets your needs. If it really has a single wire, I am afraid, you will have to bite the bullet and spend twice (3x?) as much on the Aqua Signal. Marine Outfitters (Kingston) has very similar light (for very similar price) with 3 wires: http://www.marineoutfitters.ca/index.cfm?category=10002|1|11312=38614998=90021547 <http://www.marineoutfitters.ca/index.cfm?category=10002%7C1%7C11312=38614998=90021547>. Marek *From:* robert via CnC-List *Sent:* Monday, September 12, 2016 08:50 *To:* cnc-list@cnc-list.com *Cc:* robert *Subject:* Stus-List Electrical Question When up the mast the other day, I noticed that my 'Steaming, Bow, Foredeck Light' was in pretty bad shape.probably the original 32 years old. Will
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Everything you need to know, spelled out and organized: Larger vessels are required to have a copy of this onboard at all times. Not a bad idea for small vessels to do the same. It is the only "opinion" that matters. Bill Bina On 9/13/2016 10:28 AM, Hoyt, Mike via CnC-List wrote: So what do Colregs say about a foredeck light when under motor? When under sail? On a power boat? Mike Persistence Halifax ___ This list is supported by the generous donations of our members. If you like what we do, please help us pay for our costs by donating. All Contributions are greatly appreciated!
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So what do Colregs say about a foredeck light when under motor? When under sail? On a power boat? Mike Persistence Halifax From: CnC-List [mailto:cnc-list-boun...@cnc-list.com] On Behalf Of robert via CnC-List Sent: Tuesday, September 13, 2016 11:24 AM To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com Cc: robert Subject: Stus-List Electrical Question Mystery solved..another lister bought the same fixture and explained how it connects.the one white wire is the 'ground'the fixture comes apart and the positive and negative wire(s) are led in through the back of the fixture and connects inside to the 'steaming light' and the 'foredeck light' which is controlled by a switch which is controlled by the boat's electrical panel switches so you can one light on or both at the same time. Rob Abbott AZURA C 32 - 84 Halifax, N.S. On 2016-09-12 10:11 AM, Frederick G Street via CnC-List wrote: Rob - unless there have been changes in regs that I'm not aware of, a steaming light (also referred to as a masthead light) IS still required, when motoring at night, along with the bow (or sidelights) and stern light. Maybe Canadian regs are different. On your existing fixture, the black is probably a common ground for the deck and steaming light; the red and green will be separate positive leads for each of the two lights. The replacement light from the Binnacle may only show one white wire; but my guess is that it contains three conductors, the same as the existing fixture. - Fred Fred Street -- Minneapolis S/V Oceanis (1979 C Landfall 38) -- Bayfield, WI On Sep 12, 2016, at 7:49 AM, robert via CnC-List <cnc-list@cnc-list.com<mailto:cnc-list@cnc-list.com>> wrote: When up the mast the other day, I noticed that my 'Steaming, Bow, Foredeck Light' was in pretty bad shape.probably the original 32 years old. Will probably replace it when the mast is hauled later this Fall although I understand this light is no longer legally required...but I do like the halogen foredeck light. I found this one linked below at the Binnacle...almost similar to the existing one: Lights-Steaming-Spreader-&-Deck-Lights/c23_156/p1349/AAA-MASTHEAD-/-DECK-LIGHT/product_info.html It appears, without removing mine, that there are three (3) white wires exiting the foot of the mast connecting to 'green, red and black' ..I assume the green is negative, red is positive and black in ground. Here's the question..the new light fixture at the Binnacle only has one white wire as a connection...there is (are) no other places on the back of the fixture to connect other wires. So if my old fixture has 3 connections (assuming it does but I have not removed it to be sure) and this new fixture only has one 'white wire', how do you connect it? As you can tell, I am no electrician. Rob Abbott AZURA C 32 - 84 Halifax, N.S. ___ This list is supported by the generous donations of our members. If you like what we do, please help us pay for our costs by donating. All Contributions are greatly appreciated! ___ This list is supported by the generous donations of our members. If you like what we do, please help us pay for our costs by donating. All Contributions are greatly appreciated!
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Mystery solved..another lister bought the same fixture and explained how it connects.the one white wire is the 'ground'the fixture comes apart and the positive and negative wire(s) are led in through the back of the fixture and connects inside to the 'steaming light' and the 'foredeck light' which is controlled by a switch which is controlled by the boat's electrical panel switches so you can one light on or both at the same time. Rob Abbott AZURA C 32 - 84 Halifax, N.S. On 2016-09-12 10:11 AM, Frederick G Street via CnC-List wrote: Rob — unless there have been changes in regs that I’m not aware of, a steaming light (also referred to as a masthead light) /IS/ still required, when motoring at night, along with the bow (or sidelights) and stern light. Maybe Canadian regs are different. On your existing fixture, the black is probably a common ground for the deck and steaming light; the red and green will be separate positive leads for each of the two lights. The replacement light from the Binnacle may only show one white wire; but my guess is that it contains three conductors, the same as the existing fixture. — Fred Fred Street -- Minneapolis S/V Oceanis (1979 C Landfall 38) -- Bayfield, WI On Sep 12, 2016, at 7:49 AM, robert via CnC-List> wrote: When up the mast the other day, I noticed that my 'Steaming, Bow, Foredeck Light' was in pretty bad shape.probably the original 32 years old. Will probably replace it when the mast is hauled later this Fall although I understand this light is no longer legally required...but I do like the halogen foredeck light. I found this one linked below at the Binnacle...almost similar to the existing one: Lights-Steaming-Spreader-&-Deck-Lights/c23_156/p1349/AAA-MASTHEAD-/-DECK-LIGHT/product_info.html It appears, without removing mine, that there are three (3) white wires exiting the foot of the mast connecting to 'green, red and black' ..I assume the green is negative, red is positive and black in ground. Here's the question..the new light fixture at the Binnacle only has one white wire as a connection...there is (are) no other places on the back of the fixture to connect other wires. So if my old fixture has 3 connections (assuming it does but I have not removed it to be sure) and this new fixture only has one 'white wire', how do you connect it? As you can tell, I am no electrician. Rob Abbott AZURA C 32 - 84 Halifax, N.S. ___ This list is supported by the generous donations of our members. If you like what we do, please help us pay for our costs by donating. All Contributions are greatly appreciated! ___ This list is supported by the generous donations of our members. If you like what we do, please help us pay for our costs by donating. All Contributions are greatly appreciated!
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Read also what it says about power vessels. When you have the engine on, your boat is a motor vessel. Andy C 40 Peregrine On Tue, Sep 13, 2016 at 9:27 AM, robert via CnC-List <cnc-list@cnc-list.com> wrote: > Appears my 'electrical question' veered off into another discussion on > 'navigation lights'my fault when I said I was told by a fellow club > member that my 'masthead/steaming light' was not a legal requirement for my > boat. I took the following quote from the West Marine site supplied my > Marek: > > "Sailing vessels less than 20m in length need to show sidelights and a > stern light. These may be combined into a bicolor light and stern light, or > a single tricolor light at the top of the mast." > > My boat is "less than 20m in length". > > Whether the fixture is a legal requirement or not, I am going to replace > it with one similar because I want the 'foredeck light', but if it is > indeed a legal requirement, I want to comply as well. > > So back to the beginning, the fixture I saw at the Binnacle looks very > much the same as the existing one..I like this as I would not have to > drill new holes to attach but if I have to, so be it. > > The new fixture only has one wire to attach whereas mine appears to have > three (not exactly sure as I have not yet removed it from the mast although > there are three existing the base of the mast) and I have no idea how to > connect it. > > There must be a logical way to connect it? > > Rob > > > > On 2016-09-12 2:02 PM, Marek Dziedzic via CnC-List wrote: > > Rob, > > As Frederick said, whoever told you that was mistaken. > > This illustrates what you have to show: http://www.westmarine.com/ > WestAdvisor/Navigation-Light-Rules (scroll down to a picture at the > bottom of the page). Keep in mind that HOW you display the light is up to > you (one light, combination of several lights), as long as you display the > RIGHT COLOURS and in the RIGHT SEGMENTS. > > Marek > > *From:* robert via CnC-List > *Sent:* Monday, September 12, 2016 11:29 > *To:* cnc-list@cnc-list.com > *Cc:* robert > *Subject:* Stus-List Electrical Question > > Marek: > > The light on the front of the mast about 1/2 way up just above the > spreaders is the one I am talking about..I was told it is no longer a > legal requirement but the 'anchor light' at the top of the mast is a legal > requirement..it can be seen 360 degrees but the light 1/2 way up the > front of the mast can not be seen 360 degrees. > > I didn't think a single wire made sense also and did not buy the fixture. > I will buy the more expensive Aqua Signal. > > Thanks all for your input. > > Rob Abbott > AZURA > C 32 - 84 > Halifax, N.S. > > On 2016-09-12 10:24 AM, Marek Dziedzic via CnC-List wrote: > > Rob, > I am not sure to which part you refer as “no longer legally required”. You > don’t need the deck light, for sure, but you do need a steaming light, > unless you can show a 360 degrees white light in some other way (e.g. turn > off the stern light and turn on the anchor light at the top of the mast). > A single wire out of the combination light does not make sense. You need > at least two, unless they try using the mast as the ground (then I would > not buy it). Most of the combo lights come with separate leads for each > function, i.e. negative/ground (usually common), positive - steaming, > positive - deck light. Some combo lights had a switch in the unit that > allow to run the power with a single positive wire (plus the negative). If > this is one like that, the switch turns e.g. steaming light when you turn > it on, but if you switch it off and on again, it would turn the deck light, > and again - both. You would have to decide if that meets your needs. > If it really has a single wire, I am afraid, you will have to bite the > bullet and spend twice (3x?) as much on the Aqua Signal. > Marine Outfitters (Kingston) has very similar light (for very similar > price) with 3 wires: http://www.marineoutfitters. > ca/index.cfm?category=10002|1|11312=38614998=90021547 > . > Marek > *From:* robert via CnC-List > *Sent:* Monday, September 12, 2016 08:50 > *To:* cnc-list@cnc-list.com > *Cc:* robert > *Subject:* Stus-List Electrical Question > When up the mast the other day, I noticed that my 'Steaming, Bow, > Foredeck Light' was in pretty bad shape.probably the original 32 > years old. Will probably replace it when the mast is hauled later this > Fall although I understand this light is no longer legally > required...but I do like the halogen foredeck light. > > I found this one linked below at the Binnacle...almost similar to > the existing
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Robert, Your description below of the requirement is 100% correct while you are a sailing vessel. Turn on your engine, you become a power vessel and the steaming light is required. Ron From: CnC-List [mailto:cnc-list-boun...@cnc-list.com] On Behalf Of robert via CnC-List Sent: Tuesday, September 13, 2016 9:28 AM To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com Cc: robert Subject: Stus-List Electrical Question Appears my 'electrical question' veered off into another discussion on 'navigation lights'my fault when I said I was told by a fellow club member that my 'masthead/steaming light' was not a legal requirement for my boat. I took the following quote from the West Marine site supplied my Marek: "Sailing vessels less than 20m in length need to show sidelights and a stern light. These may be combined into a bicolor light and stern light, or a single tricolor light at the top of the mast." My boat is "less than 20m in length". Whether the fixture is a legal requirement or not, I am going to replace it with one similar because I want the 'foredeck light', but if it is indeed a legal requirement, I want to comply as well. So back to the beginning, the fixture I saw at the Binnacle looks very much the same as the existing one..I like this as I would not have to drill new holes to attach but if I have to, so be it. The new fixture only has one wire to attach whereas mine appears to have three (not exactly sure as I have not yet removed it from the mast although there are three existing the base of the mast) and I have no idea how to connect it. There must be a logical way to connect it? Rob On 2016-09-12 2:02 PM, Marek Dziedzic via CnC-List wrote: Rob, As Frederick said, whoever told you that was mistaken. This illustrates what you have to show: <http://www.westmarine.com/WestAdvisor/Navigation-Light-Rules> http://www.westmarine.com/WestAdvisor/Navigation-Light-Rules (scroll down to a picture at the bottom of the page). Keep in mind that HOW you display the light is up to you (one light, combination of several lights), as long as you display the RIGHT COLOURS and in the RIGHT SEGMENTS. Marek From: robert via CnC-List Sent: Monday, September 12, 2016 11:29 To: <mailto:cnc-list@cnc-list.com> cnc-list@cnc-list.com Cc: robert Subject: Stus-List Electrical Question Marek: The light on the front of the mast about 1/2 way up just above the spreaders is the one I am talking about..I was told it is no longer a legal requirement but the 'anchor light' at the top of the mast is a legal requirement..it can be seen 360 degrees but the light 1/2 way up the front of the mast can not be seen 360 degrees. I didn't think a single wire made sense also and did not buy the fixture. I will buy the more expensive Aqua Signal. Thanks all for your input. Rob Abbott AZURA C 32 - 84 Halifax, N.S. On 2016-09-12 10:24 AM, Marek Dziedzic via CnC-List wrote: Rob, I am not sure to which part you refer as "no longer legally required". You don't need the deck light, for sure, but you do need a steaming light, unless you can show a 360 degrees white light in some other way (e.g. turn off the stern light and turn on the anchor light at the top of the mast). A single wire out of the combination light does not make sense. You need at least two, unless they try using the mast as the ground (then I would not buy it). Most of the combo lights come with separate leads for each function, i.e. negative/ground (usually common), positive - steaming, positive - deck light. Some combo lights had a switch in the unit that allow to run the power with a single positive wire (plus the negative). If this is one like that, the switch turns e.g. steaming light when you turn it on, but if you switch it off and on again, it would turn the deck light, and again - both. You would have to decide if that meets your needs. If it really has a single wire, I am afraid, you will have to bite the bullet and spend twice (3x?) as much on the Aqua Signal. Marine Outfitters (Kingston) has very similar light (for very similar price) with 3 wires: <http://www.marineoutfitters.ca/index.cfm?category=10002%7C1%7C11312 duct=38614998=90021547> http://www.marineoutfitters.ca/index.cfm?category=10002|1|11312= 38614998=90021547. Marek From: robert via CnC-List Sent: Monday, September 12, 2016 08:50 To: <mailto:cnc-list@cnc-list.com> cnc-list@cnc-list.com Cc: robert Subject: Stus-List Electrical Question When up the mast the other day, I noticed that my 'Steaming, Bow, Foredeck Light' was in pretty bad shape.probably the original 32 years old. Will probably replace it when the mast is hauled later this Fall although I understand this light is no longer legally required...but I do like the halogen foredeck light. I found this one linked below at the Binnacle...almost similar to the existing one: Lights-Steaming-Spreader-
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Appears my 'electrical question' veered off into another discussion on 'navigation lights'my fault when I said I was told by a fellow club member that my 'masthead/steaming light' was not a legal requirement for my boat. I took the following quote from the West Marine site supplied my Marek: "Sailing vessels less than 20m in length need to show sidelights and a stern light. These may be combined into a bicolor light and stern light, or a single tricolor light at the top of the mast." My boat is "less than 20m in length". Whether the fixture is a legal requirement or not, I am going to replace it with one similar because I want the 'foredeck light', but if it is indeed a legal requirement, I want to comply as well. So back to the beginning, the fixture I saw at the Binnacle looks very much the same as the existing one..I like this as I would not have to drill new holes to attach but if I have to, so be it. The new fixture only has one wire to attach whereas mine appears to have three (not exactly sure as I have not yet removed it from the mast although there are three existing the base of the mast) and I have no idea how to connect it. There must be a logical way to connect it? Rob On 2016-09-12 2:02 PM, Marek Dziedzic via CnC-List wrote: Rob, As Frederick said, whoever told you that was mistaken. This illustrates what you have to show: http://www.westmarine.com/WestAdvisor/Navigation-Light-Rules (scroll down to a picture at the bottom of the page). Keep in mind that HOW you display the light is up to you (one light, combination of several lights), as long as you display the RIGHT COLOURS and in the RIGHT SEGMENTS. Marek *From:* robert via CnC-List *Sent:* Monday, September 12, 2016 11:29 *To:* cnc-list@cnc-list.com *Cc:* robert *Subject:* Stus-List Electrical Question Marek: The light on the front of the mast about 1/2 way up just above the spreaders is the one I am talking about..I was told it is no longer a legal requirement but the 'anchor light' at the top of the mast is a legal requirement..it can be seen 360 degrees but the light 1/2 way up the front of the mast can not be seen 360 degrees. I didn't think a single wire made sense also and did not buy the fixture. I will buy the more expensive Aqua Signal. Thanks all for your input. Rob Abbott AZURA C 32 - 84 Halifax, N.S. On 2016-09-12 10:24 AM, Marek Dziedzic via CnC-List wrote: Rob, I am not sure to which part you refer as “no longer legally required”. You don’t need the deck light, for sure, but you do need a steaming light, unless you can show a 360 degrees white light in some other way (e.g. turn off the stern light and turn on the anchor light at the top of the mast). A single wire out of the combination light does not make sense. You need at least two, unless they try using the mast as the ground (then I would not buy it). Most of the combo lights come with separate leads for each function, i.e. negative/ground (usually common), positive - steaming, positive - deck light. Some combo lights had a switch in the unit that allow to run the power with a single positive wire (plus the negative). If this is one like that, the switch turns e.g. steaming light when you turn it on, but if you switch it off and on again, it would turn the deck light, and again - both. You would have to decide if that meets your needs. If it really has a single wire, I am afraid, you will have to bite the bullet and spend twice (3x?) as much on the Aqua Signal. Marine Outfitters (Kingston) has very similar light (for very similar price) with 3 wires: http://www.marineoutfitters.ca/index.cfm?category=10002|1|11312=38614998=90021547 <http://www.marineoutfitters.ca/index.cfm?category=10002%7C1%7C11312=38614998=90021547>. Marek *From:* robert via CnC-List *Sent:* Monday, September 12, 2016 08:50 *To:* cnc-list@cnc-list.com *Cc:* robert *Subject:* Stus-List Electrical Question When up the mast the other day, I noticed that my 'Steaming, Bow, Foredeck Light' was in pretty bad shape.probably the original 32 years old. Will probably replace it when the mast is hauled later this Fall although I understand this light is no longer legally required...but I do like the halogen foredeck light. I found this one linked below at the Binnacle...almost similar to the existing one: Lights-Steaming-Spreader-&-Deck-Lights/c23_156/p1349/AAA-MASTHEAD-/-DECK-LIGHT/product_info.html It appears, without removing mine, that there are three (3) white wires exiting the foot of the mast connecting to 'green, red and black' ..I assume the green is negative, red is positive and black in ground. Here's the question..the new light fixture at the Binnacle only has one white wire as a connection...there is (are) no other places on the back of the fixture to connect other wires. So if my old fixture has 3 connections (assuming it does but I
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(g) A vessel of less than 20 meters in length, when at anchor in a special anchorage area designated by the Secretary, shall not be required to exhibit the anchor lights and shapes required by this Rule. [Inld] Sent from my iPhone > On Sep 12, 2016, at 5:09 PM, David via CnC-List <cnc-list@cnc-list.com> wrote: > > Right except you may have meant anchor light not required when anchored in a > mooring field? An anchor light is still required otherwise even in a > "designated" (per chart) anchorage. > > I learned that from the Coasties who made me put one up one fine evening... > > > > David F. Risch > (401) 419-4650 (cell) > > > Date: Mon, 12 Sep 2016 15:55:07 -0400 > To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com > Subject: Re: Stus-List Electrical Question > From: cnc-list@cnc-list.com > CC: jrtau...@aol.com > > The forward 225 degree light halfway up the mast is a steaming or masthead > light. The 360 degree on top of the mast is an anchor light. The steaming > light should be shown while under power at night and the anchor light while > at anchor (not under way) but not required at a legal anchorage. Jerry J > > Sent from my iPhone > > On Sep 12, 2016, at 3:24 PM, jhnelson via CnC-List <cnc-list@cnc-list.com> > wrote: > > Nope as you would then be displaying the lights of a vessel greater than 50m > at anchor as seen from directly astern. > > A picture is worth a lot and here is a good example: > Www.westmarine.com/westadvisor/navigation-light-rules > > > > Sent from my Samsung device > > > Original message > From: robert via CnC-List <cnc-list@cnc-list.com> > Date: 2016-09-12 12:24 PM (GMT-04:00) > To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com > Cc: robert <robertabb...@eastlink.ca> > Subject: Stus-List Electrical Question > > The light I am talking about is the one 1/2 up the front of the mast just > above the spreadersnot the one on the top of the mast seen 360 > degrees..I was told the one on the front of the mast is longer a legal > requirement but the one on the top of the mast is a legal requirement when > motoring or motor sailing. > > Am I correct? > > Rob Abbott > AZURA > C 32 - 84 > Halifax, N.S. > > > > On 2016-09-12 10:11 AM, Frederick G Street via CnC-List wrote: > Rob — unless there have been changes in regs that I’m not aware of, a > steaming light (also referred to as a masthead light) IS still required, when > motoring at night, along with the bow (or sidelights) and stern light. Maybe > Canadian regs are different. > > On your existing fixture, the black is probably a common ground for the deck > and steaming light; the red and green will be separate positive leads for > each of the two lights. > > The replacement light from the Binnacle may only show one white wire; but my > guess is that it contains three conductors, the same as the existing fixture. > > — Fred > > Fred Street -- Minneapolis > S/V Oceanis (1979 C Landfall 38) -- Bayfield, WI > > On Sep 12, 2016, at 7:49 AM, robert via CnC-List <cnc-list@cnc-list.com> > wrote: > > When up the mast the other day, I noticed that my 'Steaming, Bow, Foredeck > Light' was in pretty bad shape.probably the original 32 years old. Will > probably replace it when the mast is hauled later this Fall although I > understand this light is no longer legally required...but I do like the > halogen foredeck light. > > I found this one linked below at the Binnacle...almost similar to the > existing one: > > Lights-Steaming-Spreader-&-Deck-Lights/c23_156/p1349/AAA-MASTHEAD-/-DECK-LIGHT/product_info.html > > It appears, without removing mine, that there are three (3) white wires > exiting the foot of the mast connecting to 'green, red and black' ..I > assume the green is negative, red is positive and black in ground. > > Here's the question..the new light fixture at the Binnacle only has one > white wire as a connection...there is (are) no other places on the back > of the fixture to connect other wires. So if my old fixture has 3 connections > (assuming it does but I have not removed it to be sure) and this new fixture > only has one 'white wire', how do you connect it? > > As you can tell, I am no electrician. > > Rob Abbott > AZURA > C 32 - 84 > Halifax, N.S. > > > > ___ > > This list is supported by the generous donations of our members. If you like > what we do, please help us pay for our costs by donating. All Contributions > are greatly appreciated! > > ___ >
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Designated anchorages are marked as such on charts. If it just says anchorage, it is not a designated anchorage. You would also be amazed at what is "inland waters". Most coastal areas are covered. Bill Bina On 9/12/2016 5:52 PM, Marek Dziedzic via CnC-List wrote: But that is Inland and has to be designated by the Secretary. The fact that it is marked on the chart is not enough. Marek Sent from my Bell Samsung device over Canada's largest network. Original message From: BillBinaList via CnC-List <cnc-list@cnc-list.com> Date: 9/12/16 17:22 (GMT-05:00) To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com Cc: BillBinaList <billbinal...@gmail.com> Subject: Re: Stus-List Electrical Question Rule 30 part G of the Colregs says those Coasties flunked their exam. 8-) —INLAND— Lights and Shapes RULE 30— CONTINUED (g) A vessel of less than 20 meters in length, when at anchor in a special anchorage area designated by the Secretary, shall not be required to exhibit the anchor lights and shapes required ___ This list is supported by the generous donations of our members. If you like what we do, please help us pay for our costs by donating. All Contributions are greatly appreciated!
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But that is Inland and has to be designated by the Secretary. The fact that it is marked on the chart is not enough. Marek Sent from my Bell Samsung device over Canada's largest network. Original message From: BillBinaList via CnC-List <cnc-list@cnc-list.com> Date: 9/12/16 17:22 (GMT-05:00) To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com Cc: BillBinaList <billbinal...@gmail.com> Subject: Re: Stus-List Electrical Question Rule 30 part G of the Colregs says those Coasties flunked their exam. 8-) —INLAND— Lights and Shapes RULE 30— CONTINUED (g) A vessel of less than 20 meters in length, when at anchor in a special anchorage area designated by the Secretary, shall not be required to exhibit the anchor lights and shapes required ___ This list is supported by the generous donations of our members. If you like what we do, please help us pay for our costs by donating. All Contributions are greatly appreciated!
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I wonder if the Coasties know what 20M means. Maybe they can't tell feet from meters. -- Jonathan Indigo C 35III SOUTHPORT CT > On Sep 12, 2016, at 17:21, BillBinaList via CnC-List> wrote: > > A vessel of less than 20 meters in length, ___ This list is supported by the generous donations of our members. If you like what we do, please help us pay for our costs by donating. All Contributions are greatly appreciated!
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A vessel at anchor should exhibit a white all around light where it can best be seen by the drunken idiot driving the party barge with no lights that's roaring through the anchorage at night causing the wake from hell. Dennis C. On Mon, Sep 12, 2016 at 4:09 PM, David via CnC-List <cnc-list@cnc-list.com> wrote: > Right except you may have meant anchor light not required when anchored in > a mooring field? An anchor light is still required otherwise even in a > "designated" (per chart) anchorage. > > I learned that from the Coasties who made me put one up one fine evening... > > > > David F. Risch > (401) 419-4650 (cell) > > > -- > Date: Mon, 12 Sep 2016 15:55:07 -0400 > To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com > Subject: Re: Stus-List Electrical Question > From: cnc-list@cnc-list.com > CC: jrtau...@aol.com > > > The forward 225 degree light halfway up the mast is a steaming or masthead > light. The 360 degree on top of the mast is an anchor light. The steaming > light should be shown while under power at night and the anchor light while > at anchor (not under way) but not required at a legal anchorage. Jerry > J > > Sent from my iPhone > > On Sep 12, 2016, at 3:24 PM, jhnelson via CnC-List <cnc-list@cnc-list.com> > wrote: > > Nope as you would then be displaying the lights of a vessel greater than > 50m at anchor as seen from directly astern. > > A picture is worth a lot and here is a good example: > Www.westmarine.com/westadvisor/navigation-light-rules > > > > Sent from my Samsung device > > > Original message > From: robert via CnC-List <cnc-list@cnc-list.com> > Date: 2016-09-12 12:24 PM (GMT-04:00) > To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com > Cc: robert <robertabb...@eastlink.ca> > Subject: Stus-List Electrical Question > > The light I am talking about is the one 1/2 up the front of the mast just > above the spreadersnot the one on the top of the mast seen 360 > degrees..I was told the one on the front of the mast is longer a legal > requirement but the one on the top of the mast is a legal requirement when > motoring or motor sailing. > > Am I correct? > > Rob Abbott > AZURA > C 32 - 84 > Halifax, N.S. > > > > On 2016-09-12 10:11 AM, Frederick G Street via CnC-List wrote: > > Rob — unless there have been changes in regs that I’m not aware of, a > steaming light (also referred to as a masthead light) *IS* still > required, when motoring at night, along with the bow (or sidelights) and > stern light. Maybe Canadian regs are different. > > On your existing fixture, the black is probably a common ground for the > deck and steaming light; the red and green will be separate positive leads > for each of the two lights. > > The replacement light from the Binnacle may only show one white wire; but > my guess is that it contains three conductors, the same as the existing > fixture. > > — Fred > > Fred Street -- Minneapolis > S/V Oceanis (1979 C Landfall 38) -- Bayfield, WI > > On Sep 12, 2016, at 7:49 AM, robert via CnC-List <cnc-list@cnc-list.com> > wrote: > > When up the mast the other day, I noticed that my 'Steaming, Bow, Foredeck > Light' was in pretty bad shape.probably the original 32 years old. > Will probably replace it when the mast is hauled later this Fall although I > understand this light is no longer legally required...but I do like the > halogen foredeck light. > > I found this one linked below at the Binnacle...almost similar to the > existing one: > > Lights-Steaming-Spreader-&-Deck-Lights/c23_156/p1349/AAA- > MASTHEAD-/-DECK-LIGHT/product_info.html > > It appears, without removing mine, that there are three (3) white wires > exiting the foot of the mast connecting to 'green, red and black' ..I > assume the green is negative, red is positive and black in ground. > > Here's the question..the new light fixture at the Binnacle only has > one white wire as a connection...there is (are) no other places on the > back of the fixture to connect other wires. So if my old fixture has 3 > connections (assuming it does but I have not removed it to be sure) and > this new fixture only has one 'white wire', how do you connect it? > > As you can tell, I am no electrician. > > Rob Abbott > AZURA > C 32 - 84 > Halifax, N.S. > > > > > ___ > > This list is supported by the generous donations of our members. If you like > what we do, please help us pay for our costs by donating. All Contributions > are greatly appreciated! > > > ___
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Rule 30 part G of the Colregs says those Coasties flunked their exam. 8-) —INLAND— Lights and Shapes RULE 30— CONTINUED (g) A vessel of less than 20 meters in length, when at anchor in a special anchorage area designated by the Secretary, shall not be required to exhibit the anchor lights and shapes required by this Rule. Bill Bina On 9/12/2016 5:09 PM, David via CnC-List wrote: Right except you may have meant anchor light not required when anchored in a mooring field? An anchor light is still required otherwise even in a "designated" (per chart) anchorage. I learned that from the Coasties who made me put one up one fine evening... David F. Risch (401) 419-4650 (cell) ___ This list is supported by the generous donations of our members. If you like what we do, please help us pay for our costs by donating. All Contributions are greatly appreciated!
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Right except you may have meant anchor light not required when anchored in a mooring field? An anchor light is still required otherwise even in a "designated" (per chart) anchorage. I learned that from the Coasties who made me put one up one fine evening... David F. Risch (401) 419-4650 (cell) Date: Mon, 12 Sep 2016 15:55:07 -0400 To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com Subject: Re: Stus-List Electrical Question From: cnc-list@cnc-list.com CC: jrtau...@aol.com The forward 225 degree light halfway up the mast is a steaming or masthead light. The 360 degree on top of the mast is an anchor light. The steaming light should be shown while under power at night and the anchor light while at anchor (not under way) but not required at a legal anchorage. Jerry J Sent from my iPhone On Sep 12, 2016, at 3:24 PM, jhnelson via CnC-List <cnc-list@cnc-list.com> wrote: Nope as you would then be displaying the lights of a vessel greater than 50m at anchor as seen from directly astern. A picture is worth a lot and here is a good example:Www.westmarine.com/westadvisor/navigation-light-rules Sent from my Samsung device Original message From: robert via CnC-List <cnc-list@cnc-list.com> Date: 2016-09-12 12:24 PM (GMT-04:00) To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com Cc: robert <robertabb...@eastlink.ca> Subject: Stus-List Electrical Question The light I am talking about is the one 1/2 up the front of the mast just above the spreadersnot the one on the top of the mast seen 360 degrees..I was told the one on the front of the mast is longer a legal requirement but the one on the top of the mast is a legal requirement when motoring or motor sailing. Am I correct? Rob Abbott AZURA C 32 - 84 Halifax, N.S. On 2016-09-12 10:11 AM, Frederick G Street via CnC-List wrote: Rob — unless there have been changes in regs that I’m not aware of, a steaming light (also referred to as a masthead light) IS still required, when motoring at night, along with the bow (or sidelights) and stern light. Maybe Canadian regs are different. On your existing fixture, the black is probably a common ground for the deck and steaming light; the red and green will be separate positive leads for each of the two lights. The replacement light from the Binnacle may only show one white wire; but my guess is that it contains three conductors, the same as the existing fixture. — Fred Fred Street -- Minneapolis S/V Oceanis (1979 C Landfall 38) -- Bayfield, WI On Sep 12, 2016, at 7:49 AM, robert via CnC-List <cnc-list@cnc-list.com> wrote: When up the mast the other day, I noticed that my 'Steaming, Bow, Foredeck Light' was in pretty bad shape.probably the original 32 years old. Will probably replace it when the mast is hauled later this Fall although I understand this light is no longer legally required...but I do like the halogen foredeck light. I found this one linked below at the Binnacle...almost similar to the existing one: Lights-Steaming-Spreader-&-Deck-Lights/c23_156/p1349/AAA-MASTHEAD-/-DECK-LIGHT/product_info.html It appears, without removing mine, that there are three (3) white wires exiting the foot of the mast connecting to 'green, red and black' ..I assume the green is negative, red is positive and black in ground. Here's the question..the new light fixture at the Binnacle only has one white wire as a connection...there is (are) no other places on the back of the fixture to connect other wires. So if my old fixture has 3 connections (assuming it does but I have not removed it to be sure) and this new fixture only has one 'w
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The forward 225 degree light halfway up the mast is a steaming or masthead light. The 360 degree on top of the mast is an anchor light. The steaming light should be shown while under power at night and the anchor light while at anchor (not under way) but not required at a legal anchorage. Jerry J Sent from my iPhone > On Sep 12, 2016, at 3:24 PM, jhnelson via CnC-List <cnc-list@cnc-list.com> > wrote: > > Nope as you would then be displaying the lights of a vessel greater than 50m > at anchor as seen from directly astern. > > A picture is worth a lot and here is a good example: > Www.westmarine.com/westadvisor/navigation-light-rules > > > > Sent from my Samsung device > > > Original message > From: robert via CnC-List <cnc-list@cnc-list.com> > Date: 2016-09-12 12:24 PM (GMT-04:00) > To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com > Cc: robert <robertabb...@eastlink.ca> > Subject: Stus-List Electrical Question > > The light I am talking about is the one 1/2 up the front of the mast just > above the spreadersnot the one on the top of the mast seen 360 > degrees..I was told the one on the front of the mast is longer a legal > requirement but the one on the top of the mast is a legal requirement when > motoring or motor sailing. > > Am I correct? > > Rob Abbott > AZURA > C 32 - 84 > Halifax, N.S. > > > >> On 2016-09-12 10:11 AM, Frederick G Street via CnC-List wrote: >> Rob — unless there have been changes in regs that I’m not aware of, a >> steaming light (also referred to as a masthead light) IS still required, >> when motoring at night, along with the bow (or sidelights) and stern light. >> Maybe Canadian regs are different. >> >> On your existing fixture, the black is probably a common ground for the deck >> and steaming light; the red and green will be separate positive leads for >> each of the two lights. >> >> The replacement light from the Binnacle may only show one white wire; but my >> guess is that it contains three conductors, the same as the existing fixture. >> >> — Fred >> >> Fred Street -- Minneapolis >> S/V Oceanis (1979 C Landfall 38) -- Bayfield, WI >> >>> On Sep 12, 2016, at 7:49 AM, robert via CnC-List <cnc-list@cnc-list.com> >>> wrote: >>> >>> When up the mast the other day, I noticed that my 'Steaming, Bow, Foredeck >>> Light' was in pretty bad shape.probably the original 32 years old. >>> Will probably replace it when the mast is hauled later this Fall although I >>> understand this light is no longer legally required...but I do like the >>> halogen foredeck light. >>> >>> I found this one linked below at the Binnacle...almost similar to the >>> existing one: >>> >>> Lights-Steaming-Spreader-&-Deck-Lights/c23_156/p1349/AAA-MASTHEAD-/-DECK-LIGHT/product_info.html >>> >>> It appears, without removing mine, that there are three (3) white wires >>> exiting the foot of the mast connecting to 'green, red and black' ..I >>> assume the green is negative, red is positive and black in ground. >>> >>> Here's the question..the new light fixture at the Binnacle only has one >>> white wire as a connection...there is (are) no other places on the back >>> of the fixture to connect other wires. So if my old fixture has 3 >>> connections (assuming it does but I have not removed it to be sure) and >>> this new fixture only has one 'white wire', how do you connect it? >>> >>> As you can tell, I am no electrician. >>> >>> Rob Abbott >>> AZURA >>> C 32 - 84 >>> Halifax, N.S. >> >> >> >> ___ >> >> This list is supported by the generous donations of our members. If you like >> what we do, please help us pay for our costs by donating. All Contributions >> are greatly appreciated! > > ___ > > This list is supported by the generous donations of our members. If you like > what we do, please help us pay for our costs by donating. All Contributions > are greatly appreciated! ___ This list is supported by the generous donations of our members. If you like what we do, please help us pay for our costs by donating. All Contributions are greatly appreciated!
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Nope as you would then be displaying the lights of a vessel greater than 50m at anchor as seen from directly astern. A picture is worth a lot and here is a good example:Www.westmarine.com/westadvisor/navigation-light-rules Sent from my Samsung device Original message From: robert via CnC-List <cnc-list@cnc-list.com> Date: 2016-09-12 12:24 PM (GMT-04:00) To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com Cc: robert <robertabb...@eastlink.ca> Subject: Stus-List Electrical Question The light I am talking about is the one 1/2 up the front of the mast just above the spreadersnot the one on the top of the mast seen 360 degrees..I was told the one on the front of the mast is longer a legal requirement but the one on the top of the mast is a legal requirement when motoring or motor sailing. Am I correct? Rob Abbott AZURA C 32 - 84 Halifax, N.S. On 2016-09-12 10:11 AM, Frederick G Street via CnC-List wrote: Rob — unless there have been changes in regs that I’m not aware of, a steaming light (also referred to as a masthead light) IS still required, when motoring at night, along with the bow (or sidelights) and stern light. Maybe Canadian regs are different. On your existing fixture, the black is probably a common ground for the deck and steaming light; the red and green will be separate positive leads for each of the two lights. The replacement light from the Binnacle may only show one white wire; but my guess is that it contains three conductors, the same as the existing fixture. — Fred Fred Street -- Minneapolis S/V Oceanis (1979 C Landfall 38) -- Bayfield, WI On Sep 12, 2016, at 7:49 AM, robert via CnC-List <cnc-list@cnc-list.com> wrote: When up the mast the other day, I noticed that my 'Steaming, Bow, Foredeck Light' was in pretty bad shape.probably the original 32 years old. Will probably replace it when the mast is hauled later this Fall although I understand this light is no longer legally required...but I do like the halogen foredeck light. I found this one linked below at the Binnacle...almost similar to the existing one: Lights-Steaming-Spreader-&-Deck-Lights/c23_156/p1349/AAA-MASTHEAD-/-DECK-LIGHT/product_info.html It appears, without removing mine, that there are three (3) white wires exiting the foot of the mast connecting to 'green, red and black' ..I assume the green is negative, red is positive and black in ground. Here's the question..the new light fixture at the Binnacle only has one white wire as a connection...there is (are) no other places on the back of the fixture to connect other wires. So if my old fixture has 3 connections (assuming it does but I have not removed it to be sure) and this new fixture only has one 'white wire', how do you connect it? As you can tell, I am no electrician. Rob Abbott AZURA C 32 - 84 Halifax, N.S. ___ This list is supported by the generous donations of our members. If you like what we do, please help us pay for our costs by donating. All Contributions are greatly appreciated! ___ This list is supported by the generous donations of our members. If you like what we do, please help us pay for our costs by donating. All Contributions are greatly appreciated!
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Jonathan, I would never advocate for non-standard lights. I fully agree that the rules are there, so that we can identify other vessels quickly and without mistake. And yes, sorry, I was trying to be pedantic. Marek From: Indigo via CnC-List Sent: Monday, September 12, 2016 13:45 To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com Cc: Indigo Subject: Re: Stus-List Electrical Question Marek To be pedantic - you are correct for boats up to 12 meters (40ft approx) (combined all round white is acceptable - but has to be 1 meter above the side lights) but the regs require separate steaming / masthead and stern lights above that size unless the boat is greater than 20 meters when two masthead lights are required. (I do wonder how large, single masted sail boats comply?) I agree that being visible to other boats is important - but no where near as important as keeping ones own lookout (Navigation Rule #1) (Can single-handed long distance boaters really comply?)) and being able to quickly identify the type and heading of nearby vessels. For this we need other vessels to display the correct lights. Think of the danger that would arise if a tug boat captain decided to put an all round white on his towed barge - just to make it more visible. -- Jonathan Indigo C 35III SOUTHPORT CT ___ This list is supported by the generous donations of our members. If you like what we do, please help us pay for our costs by donating. All Contributions are greatly appreciated!
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Marek To be pedantic - you are correct for boats up to 12 meters (40ft approx) (combined all round white is acceptable - but has to be 1 meter above the side lights) but the regs require separate steaming / masthead and stern lights above that size unless the boat is greater than 20 meters when two masthead lights are required. (I do wonder how large, single masted sail boats comply?) I agree that being visible to other boats is important - but no where near as important as keeping ones own lookout (Navigation Rule #1) (Can single-handed long distance boaters really comply?)) and being able to quickly identify the type and heading of nearby vessels. For this we need other vessels to display the correct lights. Think of the danger that would arise if a tug boat captain decided to put an all round white on his towed barge - just to make it more visible. -- Jonathan Indigo C 35III SOUTHPORT CT > On Sep 12, 2016, at 12:26, Marek Dziedzic via CnC-List >wrote: > > This is not entirely correct. You have to display a white light 360 degrees > AND the red/green side lights. The rule does not specify How you should > display that 360 degree white light. It can be a single light (as long as, > when you could see the side lights, it is above them) or it can be a > combination o ___ This list is supported by the generous donations of our members. If you like what we do, please help us pay for our costs by donating. All Contributions are greatly appreciated!
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Rob, As Frederick said, whoever told you that was mistaken. This illustrates what you have to show: http://www.westmarine.com/WestAdvisor/Navigation-Light-Rules (scroll down to a picture at the bottom of the page). Keep in mind that HOW you display the light is up to you (one light, combination of several lights), as long as you display the RIGHT COLOURS and in the RIGHT SEGMENTS. Marek From: robert via CnC-List Sent: Monday, September 12, 2016 11:29 To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com Cc: robert Subject: Stus-List Electrical Question Marek: The light on the front of the mast about 1/2 way up just above the spreaders is the one I am talking about..I was told it is no longer a legal requirement but the 'anchor light' at the top of the mast is a legal requirement..it can be seen 360 degrees but the light 1/2 way up the front of the mast can not be seen 360 degrees. I didn't think a single wire made sense also and did not buy the fixture. I will buy the more expensive Aqua Signal. Thanks all for your input. Rob Abbott AZURA C 32 - 84 Halifax, N.S. On 2016-09-12 10:24 AM, Marek Dziedzic via CnC-List wrote: Rob, I am not sure to which part you refer as “no longer legally required”. You don’t need the deck light, for sure, but you do need a steaming light, unless you can show a 360 degrees white light in some other way (e.g. turn off the stern light and turn on the anchor light at the top of the mast). A single wire out of the combination light does not make sense. You need at least two, unless they try using the mast as the ground (then I would not buy it). Most of the combo lights come with separate leads for each function, i.e. negative/ground (usually common), positive - steaming, positive - deck light. Some combo lights had a switch in the unit that allow to run the power with a single positive wire (plus the negative). If this is one like that, the switch turns e.g. steaming light when you turn it on, but if you switch it off and on again, it would turn the deck light, and again - both. You would have to decide if that meets your needs. If it really has a single wire, I am afraid, you will have to bite the bullet and spend twice (3x?) as much on the Aqua Signal. Marine Outfitters (Kingston) has very similar light (for very similar price) with 3 wires: http://www.marineoutfitters.ca/index.cfm?category=10002|1|11312=38614998=90021547. Marek From: robert via CnC-List Sent: Monday, September 12, 2016 08:50 To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com Cc: robert Subject: Stus-List Electrical Question When up the mast the other day, I noticed that my 'Steaming, Bow, Foredeck Light' was in pretty bad shape.probably the original 32 years old. Will probably replace it when the mast is hauled later this Fall although I understand this light is no longer legally required...but I do like the halogen foredeck light. I found this one linked below at the Binnacle...almost similar to the existing one: Lights-Steaming-Spreader-&-Deck-Lights/c23_156/p1349/AAA-MASTHEAD-/-DECK-LIGHT/product_info.html It appears, without removing mine, that there are three (3) white wires exiting the foot of the mast connecting to 'green, red and black' ..I assume the green is negative, red is positive and black in ground. Here's the question..the new light fixture at the Binnacle only has one white wire as a connection...there is (are) no other places on the back of the fixture to connect other wires. So if my old fixture has 3 connections (assuming it does but I have not removed it to be sure) and this new fixture only has one 'white wire', how do you connect it? As you can tell, I am no electrician. Rob Abbott AZURA C 32 - 84 Halifax, N.S. ___ This list is supported by the generous donations of our members. If you like what we do, please help us pay for our costs by donating. All Contributions are greatly appreciated! ___ This list is supported by the generous donations of our members. If you like what we do, please help us pay for our costs by donating. All Contributions are greatly appreciated! ___ This list is supported by the generous donations of our members. If you like what we do, please help us pay for our costs by donating. All Contributions are greatly appreciated!
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Under power you cannot display 360 degree red/green light. If you have a tricolour (segments + anchor), your 135 degree stern segment should be off when you turn on the anchor light, i.e. you would not display two lights towards the stern). However, the lights would be inverted (white is below red/green). Marek From: Joel Aronson via CnC-List Sent: Monday, September 12, 2016 10:22 To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com Cc: Joel Aronson Subject: Re: Stus-List Electrical Question So if you have a combo tricolor/anchor masthead light and you are under power should they both be on? Joel On Mon, Sep 12, 2016 at 9:59 AM, Petar Horvatic via CnC-List <cnc-list@cnc-list.com> wrote: On the high seas, especially in swell, those deck level running lights might be useless. Typical example is crossing the gulf stream from FL to Bahamas. There is so much traffic there and if swell is up, deck level lights are not visible. Shipping lanes are very busy down there. To me, safety is more important than if red/green are below or above the steaming light. Tri-color takes priority for overnight crossings and offshore passages regardless of what the rules are, especially if going solo. Petar Horvatic Sundowner 76 C 38MkII Newport, RI -Original Message- From: CnC-List [mailto:cnc-list-boun...@cnc-list.com] On Behalf Of Indigo via CnC-List Sent: Monday, September 12, 2016 9:46 AM To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com Cc: Indigo Subject: Re: Stus-List Electrical Question As far as I know the various navigation light combinations for boats are international. There should be no difference in requirement between countries - that would be highly dangerous. Nav lights have two functions - type of vessel identification, and vessel heading identification. When under power, whether the sails are up or not, a sail boat MUST display the red / green bow lights and stern light AND a steaming / masthead light. The steaming / masthead light must be higher than the red / green bow lights - which is why it is not correct to use a masthead tricolor with a steaming/masthead light. If under sail alone one should not display a steaming/masthead light otherwise you might be confused for a vessel under power. Might be bad where a possibility of collision exists.! -- Jonathan Indigo C 35III SOUTHPORT CT > On Sep 12, 2016, at 09:19, Ron Ricci via CnC-List <cnc-list@cnc-list.com> wrote: > > "It is not required under sail." ___ This list is supported by the generous donations of our members. If you like what we do, please help us pay for our costs by donating. All Contributions are greatly appreciated! ___ This list is supported by the generous donations of our members. If you like what we do, please help us pay for our costs by donating. All Contributions are greatly appreciated! -- Joel 301 541 8551___ This list is supported by the generous donations of our members. If you like what we do, please help us pay for our costs by donating. All Contributions are greatly appreciated!
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Using a tri-color mast light and a steaming light could confuse your vessel with a vessel towing an object(side views have colored light above white light).It can take only one late night encounter with a towing vessel to appreciate the different light arrangements used for navigation. Of course, I agree that safety is most important, but it is just as or more important not to rely on others seeing you but that you see them. One of the best and extremely affordable safety investment I’ve made was the purchase of a Standard Horizon VHF with AIS. I have the AIS signal connected to my chart plotter to show AIS data and alarms. Some times, its a PITA(or bonus) when folks leave their AIS on while at the dock, but when sailing offshore in high traffic areas, it is great to have the AIS alarm and comforting to see the AIS data right on the chart plotter. Receiving the vessels MMSI allows for easy DSC VHF calling. More often than not, friendly late night chats are not only informative but enjoyable for both. - Paul E. 1981 C 38 Landfall S/V Johanna Rose Carrabelle, FL http://svjohannarose.blogspot.com/ > On Sep 12, 2016, at 10:25 AM, cnc-list-requ...@cnc-list.com wrote: > > Date: Mon, 12 Sep 2016 09:59:26 -0400 > From: "Petar Horvatic" <phorv...@gmail.com <mailto:phorv...@gmail.com>> > To: <cnc-list@cnc-list.com <mailto:cnc-list@cnc-list.com>> > Subject: Re: Stus-List Electrical Question > Message-ID: <007d01d20cfd$e087efb0$a197cf10$@com> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" > > On the high seas, especially in swell, those deck level running lights might > be useless. Typical example is crossing the gulf stream from FL to Bahamas. > There is so much traffic there and if swell is up, deck level lights are not > visible. Shipping lanes are very busy down there. To me, safety is more > important than if red/green are below or above the steaming light. > Tri-color takes priority for overnight crossings and offshore passages > regardless of what the rules are, especially if going solo. > > > Petar Horvatic > Sundowner > 76 C 38MkII > Newport, RI ___ This list is supported by the generous donations of our members. If you like what we do, please help us pay for our costs by donating. All Contributions are greatly appreciated!
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For that you can always put a combination light (red over green, 360 degrees) at the top of the mast (in ADDITION to the normal stern and side lights). I don’t want to hop on a high horse, but ANY variation from the rules creates a confusion. Though, I agree that in a swell the normal navigation lights that we carry (what? 3-4 ft. above water?) are simply not visible. I remember a situation when, at night off-shore, we sailed probably less then 100 m from another sailboat (fortunately on parallel courses) and weren’t aware of each other for a long time, because we were a few waves away and either them or us were in the trough and the waves obscured the other vessel's lights. Of course we all are guilty of not following the rules (e.g. raise hand who regularly displays a day shape when anchoring (for extra points, who knows what the day shape for anchoring is), or worse yet – who regularly (or even occasionally) displays the day shape that is required for a sailing vessel under auxiliary power? (double points if you know what that one is without looking up)). Marek From: Petar Horvatic via CnC-List Sent: Monday, September 12, 2016 10:00 To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com Cc: Petar Horvatic Subject: Re: Stus-List Electrical Question On the high seas, especially in swell, those deck level running lights might be useless. Typical example is crossing the gulf stream from FL to Bahamas. There is so much traffic there and if swell is up, deck level lights are not visible. Shipping lanes are very busy down there. To me, safety is more important than if red/green are below or above the steaming light. Tri-color takes priority for overnight crossings and offshore passages regardless of what the rules are, especially if going solo. Petar Horvatic Sundowner 76 C 38MkII Newport, RI -Original Message- From: CnC-List [mailto:cnc-list-boun...@cnc-list.com] On Behalf Of Indigo via CnC-List Sent: Monday, September 12, 2016 9:46 AM To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com Cc: Indigo Subject: Re: Stus-List Electrical Question As far as I know the various navigation light combinations for boats are international. There should be no difference in requirement between countries - that would be highly dangerous. Nav lights have two functions - type of vessel identification, and vessel heading identification. When under power, whether the sails are up or not, a sail boat MUST display the red / green bow lights and stern light AND a steaming / masthead light. The steaming / masthead light must be higher than the red / green bow lights - which is why it is not correct to use a masthead tricolor with a steaming/masthead light. If under sail alone one should not display a steaming/masthead light otherwise you might be confused for a vessel under power. Might be bad where a possibility of collision exists.! -- Jonathan Indigo C 35III SOUTHPORT CT > On Sep 12, 2016, at 09:19, Ron Ricci via CnC-List <cnc-list@cnc-list.com> wrote: > > "It is not required under sail." ___ This list is supported by the generous donations of our members. If you like what we do, please help us pay for our costs by donating. All Contributions are greatly appreciated! ___ This list is supported by the generous donations of our members. If you like what we do, please help us pay for our costs by donating. All Contributions are greatly appreciated! ___ This list is supported by the generous donations of our members. If you like what we do, please help us pay for our costs by donating. All Contributions are greatly appreciated!
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Jonathan, There are no differences between Canada and the US. As you said, it is a international rule. You said: “When under power, whether the sails are up or not, a sail boat MUST display the red / green bow lights and stern light AND a steaming / masthead light.” This is not entirely correct. You have to display a white light 360 degrees AND the red/green side lights. The rule does not specify How you should display that 360 degree white light. It can be a single light (as long as, when you could see the side lights, it is above them) or it can be a combination of the stern light and the steaming light (i.e. the two lights complement each other to complete a full 360 degree visibility). So theoretically (and I do not intend to defend Hunter for doing it this way; I thin it is silly) you can have a mast-top white 360 degree light and a stern white light on separate switches and use one (stern light) when you are sailing and the other (mast-top) when motoring (and they have to be mutually exclusive). You would have to have the side lights (red/green) on a separate switch, as well. btw. I think that if one was showing a 360 degree white light and the side lights, one would be considered a “vessel under power” (regardless if your motor is on or off). The only confusion would be that of that vessel’s skipper (he might think he was a sailing vessel, but nobody else would). Marek C270 “Legato” Ottawa, ON From: Indigo via CnC-List Sent: Monday, September 12, 2016 09:47 To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com Cc: Indigo Subject: Re: Stus-List Electrical Question As far as I know the various navigation light combinations for boats are international. There should be no difference in requirement between countries - that would be highly dangerous. Nav lights have two functions - type of vessel identification, and vessel heading identification. When under power, whether the sails are up or not, a sail boat MUST display the red / green bow lights and stern light AND a steaming / masthead light. The steaming / masthead light must be higher than the red / green bow lights - which is why it is not correct to use a masthead tricolor with a steaming/masthead light. If under sail alone one should not display a steaming/masthead light otherwise you might be confused for a vessel under power. Might be bad where a possibility of collision exists.! -- Jonathan Indigo C 35III SOUTHPORT CT > On Sep 12, 2016, at 09:19, Ron Ricci via CnC-List <cnc-list@cnc-list.com> > wrote: > > "It is not required under sail." ___ This list is supported by the generous donations of our members. If you like what we do, please help us pay for our costs by donating. All Contributions are greatly appreciated! ___ This list is supported by the generous donations of our members. If you like what we do, please help us pay for our costs by donating. All Contributions are greatly appreciated!
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Yup I have been confused many times offshore by those who are sporting the tri and the steaming light. Not fun at 3:00am trying to figure out what is coming at you. David F. Risch 1981 40-2 (401) 419-4650 (cell) To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com Date: Mon, 12 Sep 2016 11:43:20 -0400 Subject: Re: Stus-List Electrical Question From: cnc-list@cnc-list.com CC: lklarchite...@gmail.com If my cheat sheet is current it says: When Under Power: You must use your navigation and steaming lights. When Under Sail: Use either your masthead tricolor or deck level navigation lights, but not both Lloyd Lippe Finesse 1985 C Landfall 39 From: robert via CnC-List Sent: Monday, September 12, 2016 11:35 AM To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com Cc: robert Subject: Stus-List Electrical Question I always understood the 'steaming light' was the one I am talking about.the one on the front of the mast, not the one on top of the mast. Interesting my brother's boat is a 2007 Hunter 33 and it does not have a 'steaming light' on the front of his mast. Wonder why Hunter would not have put one there if it is a legal requirement? I will replace mine later in the Fall when the mast is down with a quality fixtureprobably an Aqua Signal for 3X the cost. Rob Abbott ___ ___ This list is supported by the generous donations of our members. If you like what we do, please help us pay for our costs by donating. All Contributions are greatly appreciated! ___ This list is supported by the generous donations of our members. If you like what we do, please help us pay for our costs by donating. All Contributions are greatly appreciated! ___ This list is supported by the generous donations of our members. If you like what we do, please help us pay for our costs by donating. All Contributions are greatly appreciated!
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I believe the confusion here is because in the COLREGS the "steaming light" is referred to as a masthead light. On most sailboats it is not at the top of the mast. People confuse "masthead" with the all around anchor light. If you are under power (sails up or not) you must display the masthead light which lights up an arc of 225 degrees. The other point of confusion may be that if a vessel is less than 12m in length, she can display an all around white light instead of the mastlight and sternlight. The tricolour light can be used if the vessel is less than 20m. Mike Atacama 33mkii Toronto Sent wirelessly from my BlackBerry device on the Bell network. Envoyé sans fil par mon terminal mobile BlackBerry sur le réseau de Bell. ___ This list is supported by the generous donations of our members. If you like what we do, please help us pay for our costs by donating. All Contributions are greatly appreciated!
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If my cheat sheet is current it says: When Under Power: You must use your navigation and steaming lights. When Under Sail: Use either your masthead tricolor or deck level navigation lights, but not both Lloyd Lippe Finesse 1985 C Landfall 39 From: robert via CnC-List Sent: Monday, September 12, 2016 11:35 AM To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com Cc: robert Subject: Stus-List Electrical Question I always understood the 'steaming light' was the one I am talking about.the one on the front of the mast, not the one on top of the mast. Interesting my brother's boat is a 2007 Hunter 33 and it does not have a 'steaming light' on the front of his mast. Wonder why Hunter would not have put one there if it is a legal requirement? I will replace mine later in the Fall when the mast is down with a quality fixtureprobably an Aqua Signal for 3X the cost. Rob Abbott ___ ___ This list is supported by the generous donations of our members. If you like what we do, please help us pay for our costs by donating. All Contributions are greatly appreciated! ___ This list is supported by the generous donations of our members. If you like what we do, please help us pay for our costs by donating. All Contributions are greatly appreciated!
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I always understood the 'steaming light' was the one I am talking about.the one on the front of the mast, not the one on top of the mast. Interesting my brother's boat is a 2007 Hunter 33 and it does not have a 'steaming light' on the front of his mast. Wonder why Hunter would not have put one there if it is a legal requirement? I will replace mine later in the Fall when the mast is down with a quality fixtureprobably an Aqua Signal for 3X the cost. Rob Abbott On 2016-09-12 12:26 PM, Frederick G Street via CnC-List wrote: I think whoever told you that is mistaken; the steaming light is NOT an all-around light, and is made to combine with the nav lights to show the proper lighting arrangement while moving under power. Fred Street -- Minneapolis S/V Oceanis (1979 C Landfall 38) -- Bayfield, WI On Sep 12, 2016, at 10:24 AM, robert via CnC-List> wrote: The light I am talking about is the one 1/2 up the front of the mast just above the spreadersnot the one on the top of the mast seen 360 degrees..I was told the one on the front of the mast is longer a legal requirement but the one on the top of the mast is a legal requirement when motoring or motor sailing. Am I correct? Rob Abbott AZURA C 32 - 84 Halifax, N.S. ___ This list is supported by the generous donations of our members. If you like what we do, please help us pay for our costs by donating. All Contributions are greatly appreciated! ___ This list is supported by the generous donations of our members. If you like what we do, please help us pay for our costs by donating. All Contributions are greatly appreciated!
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Marek: The light on the front of the mast about 1/2 way up just above the spreaders is the one I am talking about..I was told it is no longer a legal requirement but the 'anchor light' at the top of the mast is a legal requirement..it can be seen 360 degrees but the light 1/2 way up the front of the mast can not be seen 360 degrees. I didn't think a single wire made sense also and did not buy the fixture. I will buy the more expensive Aqua Signal. Thanks all for your input. Rob Abbott AZURA C 32 - 84 Halifax, N.S. On 2016-09-12 10:24 AM, Marek Dziedzic via CnC-List wrote: Rob, I am not sure to which part you refer as “no longer legally required”. You don’t need the deck light, for sure, but you do need a steaming light, unless you can show a 360 degrees white light in some other way (e.g. turn off the stern light and turn on the anchor light at the top of the mast). A single wire out of the combination light does not make sense. You need at least two, unless they try using the mast as the ground (then I would not buy it). Most of the combo lights come with separate leads for each function, i.e. negative/ground (usually common), positive - steaming, positive - deck light. Some combo lights had a switch in the unit that allow to run the power with a single positive wire (plus the negative). If this is one like that, the switch turns e.g. steaming light when you turn it on, but if you switch it off and on again, it would turn the deck light, and again - both. You would have to decide if that meets your needs. If it really has a single wire, I am afraid, you will have to bite the bullet and spend twice (3x?) as much on the Aqua Signal. Marine Outfitters (Kingston) has very similar light (for very similar price) with 3 wires: http://www.marineoutfitters.ca/index.cfm?category=10002|1|11312=38614998=90021547 <http://www.marineoutfitters.ca/index.cfm?category=10002%7C1%7C11312=38614998=90021547>. Marek *From:* robert via CnC-List *Sent:* Monday, September 12, 2016 08:50 *To:* cnc-list@cnc-list.com *Cc:* robert *Subject:* Stus-List Electrical Question When up the mast the other day, I noticed that my 'Steaming, Bow, Foredeck Light' was in pretty bad shape.probably the original 32 years old. Will probably replace it when the mast is hauled later this Fall although I understand this light is no longer legally required...but I do like the halogen foredeck light. I found this one linked below at the Binnacle...almost similar to the existing one: Lights-Steaming-Spreader-&-Deck-Lights/c23_156/p1349/AAA-MASTHEAD-/-DECK-LIGHT/product_info.html It appears, without removing mine, that there are three (3) white wires exiting the foot of the mast connecting to 'green, red and black' ..I assume the green is negative, red is positive and black in ground. Here's the question..the new light fixture at the Binnacle only has one white wire as a connection...there is (are) no other places on the back of the fixture to connect other wires. So if my old fixture has 3 connections (assuming it does but I have not removed it to be sure) and this new fixture only has one 'white wire', how do you connect it? As you can tell, I am no electrician. Rob Abbott AZURA C 32 - 84 Halifax, N.S. ___ This list is supported by the generous donations of our members. If you like what we do, please help us pay for our costs by donating. All Contributions are greatly appreciated! ___ This list is supported by the generous donations of our members. If you like what we do, please help us pay for our costs by donating. All Contributions are greatly appreciated! ___ This list is supported by the generous donations of our members. If you like what we do, please help us pay for our costs by donating. All Contributions are greatly appreciated!
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I think whoever told you that is mistaken; the steaming light is NOT an all-around light, and is made to combine with the nav lights to show the proper lighting arrangement while moving under power. Fred Street -- Minneapolis S/V Oceanis (1979 C Landfall 38) -- Bayfield, WI > On Sep 12, 2016, at 10:24 AM, robert via CnC-List> wrote: > > The light I am talking about is the one 1/2 up the front of the mast just > above the spreadersnot the one on the top of the mast seen 360 > degrees..I was told the one on the front of the mast is longer a legal > requirement but the one on the top of the mast is a legal requirement when > motoring or motor sailing. > > Am I correct? > > Rob Abbott > AZURA > C 32 - 84 > Halifax, N.S. ___ This list is supported by the generous donations of our members. If you like what we do, please help us pay for our costs by donating. All Contributions are greatly appreciated!
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The light I am talking about is the one 1/2 up the front of the mast just above the spreadersnot the one on the top of the mast seen 360 degrees..I was told the one on the front of the mast is longer a legal requirement but the one on the top of the mast is a legal requirement when motoring or motor sailing. Am I correct? Rob Abbott AZURA C 32 - 84 Halifax, N.S. On 2016-09-12 10:11 AM, Frederick G Street via CnC-List wrote: Rob — unless there have been changes in regs that I’m not aware of, a steaming light (also referred to as a masthead light) /IS/ still required, when motoring at night, along with the bow (or sidelights) and stern light. Maybe Canadian regs are different. On your existing fixture, the black is probably a common ground for the deck and steaming light; the red and green will be separate positive leads for each of the two lights. The replacement light from the Binnacle may only show one white wire; but my guess is that it contains three conductors, the same as the existing fixture. — Fred Fred Street -- Minneapolis S/V Oceanis (1979 C Landfall 38) -- Bayfield, WI On Sep 12, 2016, at 7:49 AM, robert via CnC-List> wrote: When up the mast the other day, I noticed that my 'Steaming, Bow, Foredeck Light' was in pretty bad shape.probably the original 32 years old. Will probably replace it when the mast is hauled later this Fall although I understand this light is no longer legally required...but I do like the halogen foredeck light. I found this one linked below at the Binnacle...almost similar to the existing one: Lights-Steaming-Spreader-&-Deck-Lights/c23_156/p1349/AAA-MASTHEAD-/-DECK-LIGHT/product_info.html It appears, without removing mine, that there are three (3) white wires exiting the foot of the mast connecting to 'green, red and black' ..I assume the green is negative, red is positive and black in ground. Here's the question..the new light fixture at the Binnacle only has one white wire as a connection...there is (are) no other places on the back of the fixture to connect other wires. So if my old fixture has 3 connections (assuming it does but I have not removed it to be sure) and this new fixture only has one 'white wire', how do you connect it? As you can tell, I am no electrician. Rob Abbott AZURA C 32 - 84 Halifax, N.S. ___ This list is supported by the generous donations of our members. If you like what we do, please help us pay for our costs by donating. All Contributions are greatly appreciated! ___ This list is supported by the generous donations of our members. If you like what we do, please help us pay for our costs by donating. All Contributions are greatly appreciated!
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That might satisfy the below/above rule but I am not sure how having all around white few inches below tricolor affects the red/green. I never really took the dinghy away from the boat at night to see. To me Rule #1 is be visible. So under power at night outside, tri-color is on, and steaming light at the first spreader is on. In the bay and harbors, I use deck level running lights.Again for visibility. You’ll be surprised how many taxis/ small powerboats don’t look up at night. I almost got hit sailing into Newport Harbor by a small power boat as he did not bother looking up to see the tri-color. Petar Horvatic Sundowner 76 C 38MkII Newport, RI From: Joel Aronson [mailto:joel.aron...@gmail.com] Sent: Monday, September 12, 2016 10:21 AM To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com Cc: Petar Horvatic Subject: Re: Stus-List Electrical Question So if you have a combo tricolor/anchor masthead light and you are under power should they both be on? Joel On Mon, Sep 12, 2016 at 9:59 AM, Petar Horvatic via CnC-List <cnc-list@cnc-list.com> wrote: On the high seas, especially in swell, those deck level running lights might be useless. Typical example is crossing the gulf stream from FL to Bahamas. There is so much traffic there and if swell is up, deck level lights are not visible. Shipping lanes are very busy down there. To me, safety is more important than if red/green are below or above the steaming light. Tri-color takes priority for overnight crossings and offshore passages regardless of what the rules are, especially if going solo. Petar Horvatic Sundowner 76 C 38MkII Newport, RI -Original Message- From: CnC-List [mailto:cnc-list-boun...@cnc-list.com] On Behalf Of Indigo via CnC-List Sent: Monday, September 12, 2016 9:46 AM To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com Cc: Indigo Subject: Re: Stus-List Electrical Question As far as I know the various navigation light combinations for boats are international. There should be no difference in requirement between countries - that would be highly dangerous. Nav lights have two functions - type of vessel identification, and vessel heading identification. When under power, whether the sails are up or not, a sail boat MUST display the red / green bow lights and stern light AND a steaming / masthead light. The steaming / masthead light must be higher than the red / green bow lights - which is why it is not correct to use a masthead tricolor with a steaming/masthead light. If under sail alone one should not display a steaming/masthead light otherwise you might be confused for a vessel under power. Might be bad where a possibility of collision exists.! -- Jonathan Indigo C 35III SOUTHPORT CT > On Sep 12, 2016, at 09:19, Ron Ricci via CnC-List <cnc-list@cnc-list.com> wrote: > > "It is not required under sail." ___ This list is supported by the generous donations of our members. If you like what we do, please help us pay for our costs by donating. All Contributions are greatly appreciated! ___ This list is supported by the generous donations of our members. If you like what we do, please help us pay for our costs by donating. All Contributions are greatly appreciated! -- Joel 301 541 8551 ___ This list is supported by the generous donations of our members. If you like what we do, please help us pay for our costs by donating. All Contributions are greatly appreciated!
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Rob, I'm pretty sure the steaming light is still required to be shown when you're motoring or motorsailing. Andy C 40 Peregrine On Mon, Sep 12, 2016 at 8:49 AM, robert via CnC-Listwrote: > When up the mast the other day, I noticed that my 'Steaming, Bow, Foredeck > Light' was in pretty bad shape.probably the original 32 years old. > Will probably replace it when the mast is hauled later this Fall although I > understand this light is no longer legally required...but I do like the > halogen foredeck light. > > I found this one linked below at the Binnacle...almost similar to the > existing one: > > Lights-Steaming-Spreader-&-Deck-Lights/c23_156/p1349/AAA-MAS > THEAD-/-DECK-LIGHT/product_info.html > > It appears, without removing mine, that there are three (3) white wires > exiting the foot of the mast connecting to 'green, red and black' ..I > assume the green is negative, red is positive and black in ground. > > Here's the question..the new light fixture at the Binnacle only has > one white wire as a connection...there is (are) no other places on the > back of the fixture to connect other wires. So if my old fixture has 3 > connections (assuming it does but I have not removed it to be sure) and > this new fixture only has one 'white wire', how do you connect it? > > As you can tell, I am no electrician. > > Rob Abbott > AZURA > C 32 - 84 > Halifax, N.S. > > ___ > > This list is supported by the generous donations of our members. If you > like what we do, please help us pay for our costs by donating. All > Contributions are greatly appreciated! > -- Andrew Burton 61 W Narragansett Ave Newport, RI USA 02840 http://sites.google.com/site/andrewburtonyachtservices/ phone +401 965 5260 ___ This list is supported by the generous donations of our members. If you like what we do, please help us pay for our costs by donating. All Contributions are greatly appreciated!
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So if you have a combo tricolor/anchor masthead light and you are under power should they both be on? Joel On Mon, Sep 12, 2016 at 9:59 AM, Petar Horvatic via CnC-List < cnc-list@cnc-list.com> wrote: > On the high seas, especially in swell, those deck level running lights > might > be useless. Typical example is crossing the gulf stream from FL to > Bahamas. > There is so much traffic there and if swell is up, deck level lights are > not > visible. Shipping lanes are very busy down there. To me, safety is more > important than if red/green are below or above the steaming light. > Tri-color takes priority for overnight crossings and offshore passages > regardless of what the rules are, especially if going solo. > > > Petar Horvatic > Sundowner > 76 C 38MkII > Newport, RI > > > > > > -Original Message- > From: CnC-List [mailto:cnc-list-boun...@cnc-list.com] On Behalf Of Indigo > via CnC-List > Sent: Monday, September 12, 2016 9:46 AM > To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com > Cc: Indigo > Subject: Re: Stus-List Electrical Question > > As far as I know the various navigation light combinations for boats are > international. There should be no difference in requirement between > countries - that would be highly dangerous. Nav lights have two functions - > type of vessel identification, and vessel heading identification. When > under power, whether the sails are up or not, a sail boat MUST display the > red / green bow lights and stern light AND a steaming / masthead light. The > steaming / masthead light must be higher than the red / green bow lights - > which is why it is not correct to use a masthead tricolor with a > steaming/masthead light. If under sail alone one should not display a > steaming/masthead light otherwise you might be confused for a vessel under > power. Might be bad where a possibility of collision exists.! > > -- > Jonathan > Indigo C 35III > SOUTHPORT CT > > > On Sep 12, 2016, at 09:19, Ron Ricci via CnC-List <cnc-list@cnc-list.com > > > wrote: > > > > "It is not required under sail." > > > ___ > > This list is supported by the generous donations of our members. If you > like > what we do, please help us pay for our costs by donating. All Contributions > are greatly appreciated! > > > ___ > > This list is supported by the generous donations of our members. If you > like what we do, please help us pay for our costs by donating. All > Contributions are greatly appreciated! > -- Joel 301 541 8551 ___ This list is supported by the generous donations of our members. If you like what we do, please help us pay for our costs by donating. All Contributions are greatly appreciated!
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On the high seas, especially in swell, those deck level running lights might be useless. Typical example is crossing the gulf stream from FL to Bahamas. There is so much traffic there and if swell is up, deck level lights are not visible. Shipping lanes are very busy down there. To me, safety is more important than if red/green are below or above the steaming light. Tri-color takes priority for overnight crossings and offshore passages regardless of what the rules are, especially if going solo. Petar Horvatic Sundowner 76 C 38MkII Newport, RI -Original Message- From: CnC-List [mailto:cnc-list-boun...@cnc-list.com] On Behalf Of Indigo via CnC-List Sent: Monday, September 12, 2016 9:46 AM To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com Cc: Indigo Subject: Re: Stus-List Electrical Question As far as I know the various navigation light combinations for boats are international. There should be no difference in requirement between countries - that would be highly dangerous. Nav lights have two functions - type of vessel identification, and vessel heading identification. When under power, whether the sails are up or not, a sail boat MUST display the red / green bow lights and stern light AND a steaming / masthead light. The steaming / masthead light must be higher than the red / green bow lights - which is why it is not correct to use a masthead tricolor with a steaming/masthead light. If under sail alone one should not display a steaming/masthead light otherwise you might be confused for a vessel under power. Might be bad where a possibility of collision exists.! -- Jonathan Indigo C 35III SOUTHPORT CT > On Sep 12, 2016, at 09:19, Ron Ricci via CnC-List <cnc-list@cnc-list.com> wrote: > > "It is not required under sail." ___ This list is supported by the generous donations of our members. If you like what we do, please help us pay for our costs by donating. All Contributions are greatly appreciated! ___ This list is supported by the generous donations of our members. If you like what we do, please help us pay for our costs by donating. All Contributions are greatly appreciated!
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As far as I know the various navigation light combinations for boats are international. There should be no difference in requirement between countries - that would be highly dangerous. Nav lights have two functions - type of vessel identification, and vessel heading identification. When under power, whether the sails are up or not, a sail boat MUST display the red / green bow lights and stern light AND a steaming / masthead light. The steaming / masthead light must be higher than the red / green bow lights - which is why it is not correct to use a masthead tricolor with a steaming/masthead light. If under sail alone one should not display a steaming/masthead light otherwise you might be confused for a vessel under power. Might be bad where a possibility of collision exists.! -- Jonathan Indigo C 35III SOUTHPORT CT > On Sep 12, 2016, at 09:19, Ron Ricci via CnC-List> wrote: > > "It is not required under sail." ___ This list is supported by the generous donations of our members. If you like what we do, please help us pay for our costs by donating. All Contributions are greatly appreciated!
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Rob, I am not sure to which part you refer as “no longer legally required”. You don’t need the deck light, for sure, but you do need a steaming light, unless you can show a 360 degrees white light in some other way (e.g. turn off the stern light and turn on the anchor light at the top of the mast). A single wire out of the combination light does not make sense. You need at least two, unless they try using the mast as the ground (then I would not buy it). Most of the combo lights come with separate leads for each function, i.e. negative/ground (usually common), positive - steaming, positive - deck light. Some combo lights had a switch in the unit that allow to run the power with a single positive wire (plus the negative). If this is one like that, the switch turns e.g. steaming light when you turn it on, but if you switch it off and on again, it would turn the deck light, and again - both. You would have to decide if that meets your needs. If it really has a single wire, I am afraid, you will have to bite the bullet and spend twice (3x?) as much on the Aqua Signal. Marine Outfitters (Kingston) has very similar light (for very similar price) with 3 wires: http://www.marineoutfitters.ca/index.cfm?category=10002|1|11312=38614998=90021547. Marek From: robert via CnC-List Sent: Monday, September 12, 2016 08:50 To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com Cc: robert Subject: Stus-List Electrical Question When up the mast the other day, I noticed that my 'Steaming, Bow, Foredeck Light' was in pretty bad shape.probably the original 32 years old. Will probably replace it when the mast is hauled later this Fall although I understand this light is no longer legally required...but I do like the halogen foredeck light. I found this one linked below at the Binnacle...almost similar to the existing one: Lights-Steaming-Spreader-&-Deck-Lights/c23_156/p1349/AAA-MASTHEAD-/-DECK-LIGHT/product_info.html It appears, without removing mine, that there are three (3) white wires exiting the foot of the mast connecting to 'green, red and black' ..I assume the green is negative, red is positive and black in ground. Here's the question..the new light fixture at the Binnacle only has one white wire as a connection...there is (are) no other places on the back of the fixture to connect other wires. So if my old fixture has 3 connections (assuming it does but I have not removed it to be sure) and this new fixture only has one 'white wire', how do you connect it? As you can tell, I am no electrician. Rob Abbott AZURA C 32 - 84 Halifax, N.S. ___ This list is supported by the generous donations of our members. If you like what we do, please help us pay for our costs by donating. All Contributions are greatly appreciated! ___ This list is supported by the generous donations of our members. If you like what we do, please help us pay for our costs by donating. All Contributions are greatly appreciated!
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Robert, I have a similar combination Steaming/Foredeck Light. The steaming light is required when under power at night. It is not required under sail. Mine has three wires, a common (black), 12 VDC for steaming light (red) and 12 VDC (white) for foredeck light. Your colors may be different, look where the conductors terminate. Originally there were three separate #16 AWG wires which I replaced with a single 3 conductor #18 AWG cable. The 20 watt foredeck and LED steaming light draw under 2 amps. Regards, Ron Ron Ricci S/V Patriot C 37+ Bristol, RI (978) 877-0369 ron.ri...@1968.usna.com ___ This list is supported by the generous donations of our members. If you like what we do, please help us pay for our costs by donating. All Contributions are greatly appreciated!
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Rob — unless there have been changes in regs that I’m not aware of, a steaming light (also referred to as a masthead light) IS still required, when motoring at night, along with the bow (or sidelights) and stern light. Maybe Canadian regs are different. On your existing fixture, the black is probably a common ground for the deck and steaming light; the red and green will be separate positive leads for each of the two lights. The replacement light from the Binnacle may only show one white wire; but my guess is that it contains three conductors, the same as the existing fixture. — Fred Fred Street -- Minneapolis S/V Oceanis (1979 C Landfall 38) -- Bayfield, WI > On Sep 12, 2016, at 7:49 AM, robert via CnC-List> wrote: > > When up the mast the other day, I noticed that my 'Steaming, Bow, Foredeck > Light' was in pretty bad shape.probably the original 32 years old. Will > probably replace it when the mast is hauled later this Fall although I > understand this light is no longer legally required...but I do like the > halogen foredeck light. > > I found this one linked below at the Binnacle...almost similar to the > existing one: > > Lights-Steaming-Spreader-&-Deck-Lights/c23_156/p1349/AAA-MASTHEAD-/-DECK-LIGHT/product_info.html > > It appears, without removing mine, that there are three (3) white wires > exiting the foot of the mast connecting to 'green, red and black' ..I > assume the green is negative, red is positive and black in ground. > > Here's the question..the new light fixture at the Binnacle only has one > white wire as a connection...there is (are) no other places on the back > of the fixture to connect other wires. So if my old fixture has 3 connections > (assuming it does but I have not removed it to be sure) and this new fixture > only has one 'white wire', how do you connect it? > > As you can tell, I am no electrician. > > Rob Abbott > AZURA > C 32 - 84 > Halifax, N.S. ___ This list is supported by the generous donations of our members. If you like what we do, please help us pay for our costs by donating. All Contributions are greatly appreciated!
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When up the mast the other day, I noticed that my 'Steaming, Bow, Foredeck Light' was in pretty bad shape.probably the original 32 years old. Will probably replace it when the mast is hauled later this Fall although I understand this light is no longer legally required...but I do like the halogen foredeck light. I found this one linked below at the Binnacle...almost similar to the existing one: Lights-Steaming-Spreader-&-Deck-Lights/c23_156/p1349/AAA-MASTHEAD-/-DECK-LIGHT/product_info.html It appears, without removing mine, that there are three (3) white wires exiting the foot of the mast connecting to 'green, red and black' ..I assume the green is negative, red is positive and black in ground. Here's the question..the new light fixture at the Binnacle only has one white wire as a connection...there is (are) no other places on the back of the fixture to connect other wires. So if my old fixture has 3 connections (assuming it does but I have not removed it to be sure) and this new fixture only has one 'white wire', how do you connect it? As you can tell, I am no electrician. Rob Abbott AZURA C 32 - 84 Halifax, N.S. ___ This list is supported by the generous donations of our members. If you like what we do, please help us pay for our costs by donating. All Contributions are greatly appreciated!