Re: Stus-List Electrical panel

[svpegasus38 via CnC-List]

Nice set up. Rebecca Leah' s mascot is Dinghy the cat. Having moved from 
Pegasus. He does regular bilge, locker, and engine room inspections. 


Sent from my T-Mobile 4G LTE DeviceDoug Mountjoy POYC Pegasus (for sale) Lf38 
Rebecca Leah LF39 
 Original message From: Edd Schillay via CnC-List 
<cnc-list@cnc-list.com> Date: 8/14/17  08:39  (GMT-08:00) To: Edd Schillay via 
CnC-List <cnc-list@cnc-list.com> Cc: Edd Schillay <e...@schillay.com> Subject: 
Re: Stus-List Electrical panel 
I’m using the original C 37+ DC panel (with breakers behind), but I moved my 
AC wiring up to where there was less moisture and relocated my battery switch 
from the floor. Both the AC panel and battery switches are Blue Seas, which I 
can’t recommend enough. 
Here is a photo of the current (no pun intended) setup on my boat: 
https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/15162917/ENTERPRISE/Electrics2017.jpg 


All the best,
Edd

Edd M. SchillayStarship EnterpriseC 37+ | Sail No: NCC-1701-BCity Island, NY 
Starship Enterprise's Captain's Log




On Aug 10, 2017, at 3:51 PM, bwhitmore via CnC-List <cnc-list@cnc-list.com> 
wrote:
Interesting, Josh as mine (94 37/40+), look nothing like yours.  I'll have to 
talk a photo...


Sent from my Verizon, Samsung Galaxy smartphone
 Original message From: Josh Muckley via CnC-List 
<cnc-list@cnc-list.com> Date: 8/10/17  12:31 PM  (GMT-07:00) To: C List 
<cnc-list@cnc-list.com> Cc: Josh Muckley <muckl...@gmail.com> Subject: Re: 
Stus-List Electrical panel 
"Circuit breakers were not designed to be used as a switch, although we all 
do."  I never gave it much thought but it seems that the folks at C might 
have changed their methodology on the 37+.  I have a wide selection of "coffe 
pot" type switches at the switch panel on the nav station to turn on/off my 
electrical loads.  All the switches are wired to a bank of terminal boards 
which are powered from a series of circuit breakers.  It is rare for any 
circuit breakers to trip and unnecessary to operate them unless they do.  The 
terminal boards and circuit breakers are tucked neatly behind the nav station, 
during normal operation.
https://drive.google.com/file/d/0B8pEh5lnvP1yVzdkVFMyVGhqRjA/view?usp=drivesdk

Josh Muckley S/V Sea Hawk1989 C 37+Solomons, MD



On Aug 10, 2017 1:06 PM, "svpegasus38 via CnC-List" <cnc-list@cnc-list.com> 
wrote:
Paul, Circuit breakers were not designed to be used as a switch, although we 
all do. Me included. This being used as a switch will cause them to fail over 
time. I believe you just had bad luck having 2 fail symotainiously. I like 
paneltronics stuff. because I have used it in the past, and they will custom 
build a panel for you. 


Sent from my T-Mobile 4G LTE DeviceDoug Mountjoy POYC Pegasus  (for sale) Lf38 
Rebecca Leah LF39 
 Original message From: Paul via CnC-List 
<cnc-list@cnc-list.com> Date: 8/10/17  09:54  (GMT-08:00) To: 'Ron Ricci' 
<ron.ri...@1968.usna.com>, cnc-list@cnc-list.com Cc: paul.h...@rogers.com 
Subject: Re: Stus-List Electrical panel 
My 2 problem breakers were from the 12v DC side of the panel.  The AC is the
left side and the DC is the right 2 sides. I have the main shut off switch
for the panel otherwise, there is not backup breaker for the DC.

Thanks,
Paul Hood
416.799.5549 c

-Original Message-
From: Ron Ricci [mailto:ron.ri...@1968.usna.com] 
Sent: August 10, 2017 11:55 AM
To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com
Cc: paul.h...@rogers.com
Subject: RE: Stus-List Electrical panel

Were these on your AC panel?  I have ones provided by Paneltronics on my DC
panel but have to check my AC breaker ratings.  The ratings for some are 32
VDC and others are 80  VDC/250 VAC.  They look similar to your panel in
appearance.  So far, no problems.  Typically circuit breaker is rated for
interrupt amps and voltage.  Grossly exceed the load for the voltage rating
and they may not open.  You system should have a backup fuse or circuit
breaker rated for the maximum short circuit load.

I hope this is too much information and would try replacing the faulty
breakers.


Regards,
Ron
Ron Ricci
S/V Patriot
C 37+
Bristol, RI

ron.ri...@1968.usna.com


-Original Message-
From: CnC-List [mailto:cnc-list-boun...@cnc-list.com] On Behalf Of Paul via
CnC-List
Sent: Thursday, August 10, 2017 11:12 AM
To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com
Cc: paul.h...@rogers.com
Subject: Stus-List Electrical panel

I have had 2 breaker switches in the panel malfunction in the same week.  I
don't know if they are original but I assume they are.  They are Airpax
Circuit Breaker UPG6-1-52-103-91. F.L10A. MAX 65VDC. DELAY 52.  They would
become intermittent and I would need to wiggle the toggle to make it work.
I bought 2 used replacements in the meantime but interested to know if you
would recommend new panels or chock it up to coincidence and leave it as-is.
I'll order anoth

Re: Stus-List Electrical panel

[Dennis C. via CnC-List]

Nice.  Touche's mascot is a stuffed parrot.  We named him Flip (the bird).

Dennis C.

On Mon, Aug 14, 2017 at 11:11 AM, Edd Schillay via CnC-List <
cnc-list@cnc-list.com> wrote:

> Dennis,
>
> Admiral Bear was picked up almost 14 years ago at the now-gone Star Trek
> Experience at the Las Vegas Hilton — he’s been through quite a lot with us
> over the years and will always oversee operations on board the Enterprise.
>
> All the best,
>
> Edd
>
>
> Edd M. Schillay
> Starship Enterprise
> C 37+ | Sail No: NCC-1701-B
> City Island, NY
> Starship Enterprise's Captain's Log <http://enterpriseb.blogspot.com/>
>
>
>
>
> On Aug 14, 2017, at 12:07 PM, Dennis C. via CnC-List <
> cnc-list@cnc-list.com> wrote:
>
> Is that a Mark 1 Mod 3 Seismoelectric Teddy Bear?
>
> Dennis C.
>
> On Mon, Aug 14, 2017 at 10:39 AM, Edd Schillay via CnC-List <
> cnc-list@cnc-list.com> wrote:
>
>> I’m using the original C 37+ DC panel (with breakers behind), but I
>> moved my AC wiring up to where there was less moisture and relocated my
>> battery switch from the floor. Both the AC panel and battery switches are
>> Blue Seas, which I can’t recommend enough.
>>
>> Here is a photo of the current (no pun intended) setup on my boat:
>> https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/15162917/ENTERPRISE/Electrics2017.jpg
>>
>>
>> All the best,
>>
>> Edd
>>
>>
>> Edd M. Schillay
>> Starship Enterprise
>> C 37+ | Sail No: NCC-1701-B
>> City Island, NY
>> Starship Enterprise's Captain's Log <http://enterpriseb.blogspot.com/>
>>
>>
>>
>> On Aug 10, 2017, at 3:51 PM, bwhitmore via CnC-List <
>> cnc-list@cnc-list.com> wrote:
>>
>> Interesting, Josh as mine (94 37/40+), look nothing like yours.  I'll
>> have to talk a photo...
>>
>>
>>
>> Sent from my Verizon, Samsung Galaxy smartphone
>>
>>  Original message 
>> From: Josh Muckley via CnC-List <cnc-list@cnc-list.com>
>> Date: 8/10/17 12:31 PM (GMT-07:00)
>> To: C List <cnc-list@cnc-list.com>
>> Cc: Josh Muckley <muckl...@gmail.com>
>> Subject: Re: Stus-List Electrical panel
>>
>> "Circuit breakers were not designed to be used as a switch, although we
>> all do."  I never gave it much thought but it seems that the folks at C
>> might have changed their methodology on the 37+.  I have a wide selection
>> of "coffe pot" type switches at the switch panel on the nav station to turn
>> on/off my electrical loads.  All the switches are wired to a bank of
>> terminal boards which are powered from a series of circuit breakers.  It is
>> rare for any circuit breakers to trip and unnecessary to operate them
>> unless they do.  The terminal boards and circuit breakers are tucked neatly
>> behind the nav station, during normal operation.
>>
>> https://drive.google.com/file/d/0B8pEh5lnvP1yVzdkVFMyVGhqRjA
>> /view?usp=drivesdk
>>
>> Josh Muckley
>> S/V Sea Hawk
>> 1989 C 37+
>> Solomons, MD
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> On Aug 10, 2017 1:06 PM, "svpegasus38 via CnC-List" <
>> cnc-list@cnc-list.com> wrote:
>>
>> Paul,
>> Circuit breakers were not designed to be used as a switch, although we
>> all do. Me included. This being used as a switch will cause them to fail
>> over time. I believe you just had bad luck having 2 fail symotainiously. I
>> like paneltronics stuff. because I have used it in the past, and they will
>> custom build a panel for you.
>>
>>
>>
>> Sent from my T-Mobile 4G LTE Device
>> Doug Mountjoy
>> POYC
>> Pegasus  (for sale)
>> Lf38
>> Rebecca Leah
>> LF39
>>
>>  Original message 
>> From: Paul via CnC-List <cnc-list@cnc-list.com>
>> Date: 8/10/17 09:54 (GMT-08:00)
>> To: 'Ron Ricci' <ron.ri...@1968.usna.com>, cnc-list@cnc-list.com
>> Cc: paul.h...@rogers.com
>> Subject: Re: Stus-List Electrical panel
>>
>> My 2 problem breakers were from the 12v DC side of the panel.  The AC is
>> the
>> left side and the DC is the right 2 sides. I have the main shut off switch
>> for the panel otherwise, there is not backup breaker for the DC.
>>
>> Thanks,
>> Paul Hood
>> 416.799.5549 <(416)%20799-5549> c
>>
>> -Original Message-
>> From: Ron Ricci [mailto:ron.ri...@1968.usna.com]
>> Sent: August 10, 2017 11:55 AM
>> To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com
>> Cc: paul.h...@rogers.com
>> Subject: RE: Stus-Lis

Re: Stus-List Electrical panel

[Edd Schillay via CnC-List]

Dennis,

Admiral Bear was picked up almost 14 years ago at the now-gone Star Trek 
Experience at the Las Vegas Hilton — he’s been through quite a lot with us over 
the years and will always oversee operations on board the Enterprise. 

All the best,

Edd


Edd M. Schillay
Starship Enterprise
C 37+ | Sail No: NCC-1701-B
City Island, NY 
Starship Enterprise's Captain's Log <http://enterpriseb.blogspot.com/>




> On Aug 14, 2017, at 12:07 PM, Dennis C. via CnC-List <cnc-list@cnc-list.com> 
> wrote:
> 
> Is that a Mark 1 Mod 3 Seismoelectric Teddy Bear?
> 
> Dennis C.
> 
> On Mon, Aug 14, 2017 at 10:39 AM, Edd Schillay via CnC-List 
> <cnc-list@cnc-list.com <mailto:cnc-list@cnc-list.com>> wrote:
> I’m using the original C 37+ DC panel (with breakers behind), but I moved 
> my AC wiring up to where there was less moisture and relocated my battery 
> switch from the floor. Both the AC panel and battery switches are Blue Seas, 
> which I can’t recommend enough. 
> 
> Here is a photo of the current (no pun intended) setup on my boat: 
> https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/15162917/ENTERPRISE/Electrics2017.jpg 
> <https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/15162917/ENTERPRISE/Electrics2017.jpg> 
> 
> All the best,
> 
> Edd
> 
> 
> Edd M. Schillay
> Starship Enterprise
> C 37+ | Sail No: NCC-1701-B
> City Island, NY 
> Starship Enterprise's Captain's Log <http://enterpriseb.blogspot.com/>
> 
> 
> 
>> On Aug 10, 2017, at 3:51 PM, bwhitmore via CnC-List <cnc-list@cnc-list.com 
>> <mailto:cnc-list@cnc-list.com>> wrote:
>> 
>> Interesting, Josh as mine (94 37/40+), look nothing like yours.  I'll have 
>> to talk a photo...
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> Sent from my Verizon, Samsung Galaxy smartphone
>> 
>>  Original message 
>> From: Josh Muckley via CnC-List <cnc-list@cnc-list.com 
>> <mailto:cnc-list@cnc-list.com>>
>> Date: 8/10/17 12:31 PM (GMT-07:00)
>> To: C List <cnc-list@cnc-list.com <mailto:cnc-list@cnc-list.com>>
>> Cc: Josh Muckley <muckl...@gmail.com <mailto:muckl...@gmail.com>>
>> Subject: Re: Stus-List Electrical panel
>> 
>> "Circuit breakers were not designed to be used as a switch, although we all 
>> do."  I never gave it much thought but it seems that the folks at C might 
>> have changed their methodology on the 37+.  I have a wide selection of 
>> "coffe pot" type switches at the switch panel on the nav station to turn 
>> on/off my electrical loads.  All the switches are wired to a bank of 
>> terminal boards which are powered from a series of circuit breakers.  It is 
>> rare for any circuit breakers to trip and unnecessary to operate them unless 
>> they do.  The terminal boards and circuit breakers are tucked neatly behind 
>> the nav station, during normal operation.
>> 
>> https://drive.google.com/file/d/0B8pEh5lnvP1yVzdkVFMyVGhqRjA/view?usp=drivesdk
>>  
>> <https://drive.google.com/file/d/0B8pEh5lnvP1yVzdkVFMyVGhqRjA/view?usp=drivesdk>
>> 
>> Josh Muckley 
>> S/V Sea Hawk
>> 1989 C 37+
>> Solomons, MD
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> On Aug 10, 2017 1:06 PM, "svpegasus38 via CnC-List" <cnc-list@cnc-list.com 
>> <mailto:cnc-list@cnc-list.com>> wrote:
>> Paul, 
>> Circuit breakers were not designed to be used as a switch, although we all 
>> do. Me included. This being used as a switch will cause them to fail over 
>> time. I believe you just had bad luck having 2 fail symotainiously. I like 
>> paneltronics stuff. because I have used it in the past, and they will custom 
>> build a panel for you. 
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> Sent from my T-Mobile 4G LTE Device
>> Doug Mountjoy 
>> POYC 
>> Pegasus  (for sale) 
>> Lf38 
>> Rebecca Leah 
>> LF39 
>> 
>>  Original message 
>> From: Paul via CnC-List <cnc-list@cnc-list.com 
>> <mailto:cnc-list@cnc-list.com>>
>> Date: 8/10/17 09:54 (GMT-08:00)
>> To: 'Ron Ricci' <ron.ri...@1968.usna.com <mailto:ron.ri...@1968.usna.com>>, 
>> cnc-list@cnc-list.com <mailto:cnc-list@cnc-list.com>
>> Cc: paul.h...@rogers.com <mailto:paul.h...@rogers.com>
>> Subject: Re: Stus-List Electrical panel
>> 
>> My 2 problem breakers were from the 12v DC side of the panel.  The AC is the
>> left side and the DC is the right 2 sides. I have the main shut off switch
>> for the panel otherwise, there is not backup breaker for the DC.
>> 
>> Thanks,
>> Paul Hood
>> 416.799.5549 <tel:(416)%2079

Re: Stus-List Electrical panel

[Dennis C. via CnC-List]

Is that a Mark 1 Mod 3 Seismoelectric Teddy Bear?

Dennis C.

On Mon, Aug 14, 2017 at 10:39 AM, Edd Schillay via CnC-List <
cnc-list@cnc-list.com> wrote:

> I’m using the original C 37+ DC panel (with breakers behind), but I
> moved my AC wiring up to where there was less moisture and relocated my
> battery switch from the floor. Both the AC panel and battery switches are
> Blue Seas, which I can’t recommend enough.
>
> Here is a photo of the current (no pun intended) setup on my boat:
> https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/15162917/ENTERPRISE/Electrics2017.jpg
>
> All the best,
>
> Edd
>
>
> Edd M. Schillay
> Starship Enterprise
> C 37+ | Sail No: NCC-1701-B
> City Island, NY
> Starship Enterprise's Captain's Log <http://enterpriseb.blogspot.com/>
>
>
>
> On Aug 10, 2017, at 3:51 PM, bwhitmore via CnC-List <cnc-list@cnc-list.com>
> wrote:
>
> Interesting, Josh as mine (94 37/40+), look nothing like yours.  I'll have
> to talk a photo...
>
>
>
> Sent from my Verizon, Samsung Galaxy smartphone
>
>  Original message 
> From: Josh Muckley via CnC-List <cnc-list@cnc-list.com>
> Date: 8/10/17 12:31 PM (GMT-07:00)
> To: C List <cnc-list@cnc-list.com>
> Cc: Josh Muckley <muckl...@gmail.com>
> Subject: Re: Stus-List Electrical panel
>
> "Circuit breakers were not designed to be used as a switch, although we
> all do."  I never gave it much thought but it seems that the folks at C
> might have changed their methodology on the 37+.  I have a wide selection
> of "coffe pot" type switches at the switch panel on the nav station to turn
> on/off my electrical loads.  All the switches are wired to a bank of
> terminal boards which are powered from a series of circuit breakers.  It is
> rare for any circuit breakers to trip and unnecessary to operate them
> unless they do.  The terminal boards and circuit breakers are tucked neatly
> behind the nav station, during normal operation.
>
> https://drive.google.com/file/d/0B8pEh5lnvP1yVzdkVFMyVGhqRjA/
> view?usp=drivesdk
>
> Josh Muckley
> S/V Sea Hawk
> 1989 C 37+
> Solomons, MD
>
>
>
>
> On Aug 10, 2017 1:06 PM, "svpegasus38 via CnC-List" <cnc-list@cnc-list.com>
> wrote:
>
> Paul,
> Circuit breakers were not designed to be used as a switch, although we all
> do. Me included. This being used as a switch will cause them to fail over
> time. I believe you just had bad luck having 2 fail symotainiously. I like
> paneltronics stuff. because I have used it in the past, and they will
> custom build a panel for you.
>
>
>
> Sent from my T-Mobile 4G LTE Device
> Doug Mountjoy
> POYC
> Pegasus  (for sale)
> Lf38
> Rebecca Leah
> LF39
>
>  Original message 
> From: Paul via CnC-List <cnc-list@cnc-list.com>
> Date: 8/10/17 09:54 (GMT-08:00)
> To: 'Ron Ricci' <ron.ri...@1968.usna.com>, cnc-list@cnc-list.com
> Cc: paul.h...@rogers.com
> Subject: Re: Stus-List Electrical panel
>
> My 2 problem breakers were from the 12v DC side of the panel.  The AC is
> the
> left side and the DC is the right 2 sides. I have the main shut off switch
> for the panel otherwise, there is not backup breaker for the DC.
>
> Thanks,
> Paul Hood
> 416.799.5549 <(416)%20799-5549> c
>
> -Original Message-
> From: Ron Ricci [mailto:ron.ri...@1968.usna.com]
> Sent: August 10, 2017 11:55 AM
> To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com
> Cc: paul.h...@rogers.com
> Subject: RE: Stus-List Electrical panel
>
> Were these on your AC panel?  I have ones provided by Paneltronics on my DC
> panel but have to check my AC breaker ratings.  The ratings for some are 32
> VDC and others are 80  VDC/250 VAC.  They look similar to your panel in
> appearance.  So far, no problems.  Typically circuit breaker is rated for
> interrupt amps and voltage.  Grossly exceed the load for the voltage rating
> and they may not open.  You system should have a backup fuse or circuit
> breaker rated for the maximum short circuit load.
>
> I hope this is too much information and would try replacing the faulty
> breakers.
>
>
> Regards,
> Ron
> Ron Ricci
> S/V Patriot
> C 37+
> Bristol, RI
>
> ron.ri...@1968.usna.com
>
>
> -Original Message-
> From: CnC-List [mailto:cnc-list-boun...@cnc-list.com] On Behalf Of Paul
> via
> CnC-List
> Sent: Thursday, August 10, 2017 11:12 AM
> To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com
> Cc: paul.h...@rogers.com
> Subject: Stus-List Electrical panel
>
> I have had 2 breaker switches in the panel malfunction in the same week.  I
> don't know if they are original but I assume they are.  They are Airpax
> Circuit B

Re: Stus-List Electrical panel

[Edd Schillay via CnC-List]

I’m using the original C 37+ DC panel (with breakers behind), but I moved my 
AC wiring up to where there was less moisture and relocated my battery switch 
from the floor. Both the AC panel and battery switches are Blue Seas, which I 
can’t recommend enough. 

Here is a photo of the current (no pun intended) setup on my boat: 
https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/15162917/ENTERPRISE/Electrics2017.jpg 
<https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/15162917/ENTERPRISE/Electrics2017.jpg> 

All the best,

Edd


Edd M. Schillay
Starship Enterprise
C 37+ | Sail No: NCC-1701-B
City Island, NY 
Starship Enterprise's Captain's Log <http://enterpriseb.blogspot.com/>



> On Aug 10, 2017, at 3:51 PM, bwhitmore via CnC-List <cnc-list@cnc-list.com> 
> wrote:
> 
> Interesting, Josh as mine (94 37/40+), look nothing like yours.  I'll have to 
> talk a photo...
> 
> 
> 
> Sent from my Verizon, Samsung Galaxy smartphone
> 
>  Original message 
> From: Josh Muckley via CnC-List <cnc-list@cnc-list.com>
> Date: 8/10/17 12:31 PM (GMT-07:00)
> To: C List <cnc-list@cnc-list.com>
> Cc: Josh Muckley <muckl...@gmail.com>
> Subject: Re: Stus-List Electrical panel
> 
> "Circuit breakers were not designed to be used as a switch, although we all 
> do."  I never gave it much thought but it seems that the folks at C might 
> have changed their methodology on the 37+.  I have a wide selection of "coffe 
> pot" type switches at the switch panel on the nav station to turn on/off my 
> electrical loads.  All the switches are wired to a bank of terminal boards 
> which are powered from a series of circuit breakers.  It is rare for any 
> circuit breakers to trip and unnecessary to operate them unless they do.  The 
> terminal boards and circuit breakers are tucked neatly behind the nav 
> station, during normal operation.
> 
> https://drive.google.com/file/d/0B8pEh5lnvP1yVzdkVFMyVGhqRjA/view?usp=drivesdk
>  
> <https://drive.google.com/file/d/0B8pEh5lnvP1yVzdkVFMyVGhqRjA/view?usp=drivesdk>
> 
> Josh Muckley 
> S/V Sea Hawk
> 1989 C 37+
> Solomons, MD
> 
> 
> 
> 
> On Aug 10, 2017 1:06 PM, "svpegasus38 via CnC-List" <cnc-list@cnc-list.com 
> <mailto:cnc-list@cnc-list.com>> wrote:
> Paul, 
> Circuit breakers were not designed to be used as a switch, although we all 
> do. Me included. This being used as a switch will cause them to fail over 
> time. I believe you just had bad luck having 2 fail symotainiously. I like 
> paneltronics stuff. because I have used it in the past, and they will custom 
> build a panel for you. 
> 
> 
> 
> Sent from my T-Mobile 4G LTE Device
> Doug Mountjoy 
> POYC 
> Pegasus  (for sale) 
> Lf38 
> Rebecca Leah 
> LF39 
> 
>  Original message 
> From: Paul via CnC-List <cnc-list@cnc-list.com <mailto:cnc-list@cnc-list.com>>
> Date: 8/10/17 09:54 (GMT-08:00)
> To: 'Ron Ricci' <ron.ri...@1968.usna.com <mailto:ron.ri...@1968.usna.com>>, 
> cnc-list@cnc-list.com <mailto:cnc-list@cnc-list.com>
> Cc: paul.h...@rogers.com <mailto:paul.h...@rogers.com>
> Subject: Re: Stus-List Electrical panel
> 
> My 2 problem breakers were from the 12v DC side of the panel.  The AC is the
> left side and the DC is the right 2 sides. I have the main shut off switch
> for the panel otherwise, there is not backup breaker for the DC.
> 
> Thanks,
> Paul Hood
> 416.799.5549 <tel:(416)%20799-5549> c
> 
> -Original Message-
> From: Ron Ricci [mailto:ron.ri...@1968.usna.com 
> <mailto:ron.ri...@1968.usna.com>] 
> Sent: August 10, 2017 11:55 AM
> To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com <mailto:cnc-list@cnc-list.com>
> Cc: paul.h...@rogers.com <mailto:paul.h...@rogers.com>
> Subject: RE: Stus-List Electrical panel
> 
> Were these on your AC panel?  I have ones provided by Paneltronics on my DC
> panel but have to check my AC breaker ratings.  The ratings for some are 32
> VDC and others are 80  VDC/250 VAC.  They look similar to your panel in
> appearance.  So far, no problems.  Typically circuit breaker is rated for
> interrupt amps and voltage.  Grossly exceed the load for the voltage rating
> and they may not open.  You system should have a backup fuse or circuit
> breaker rated for the maximum short circuit load.
> 
> I hope this is too much information and would try replacing the faulty
> breakers.
> 
> 
> Regards,
> Ron
> Ron Ricci
> S/V Patriot
> C 37+
> Bristol, RI
> 
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Re: Stus-List Electrical panel > J Boat Regatta

[detroito91 via CnC-List]

If you are able to see the j-boats race, you'll never forget it  better than 
america cup racing.  We had the good fortune to watch in Bermuda on the water 
and close up.Will never forget JimSEA YA!c 38 lfWashington nc 


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 Original message From: Nauset Beach via CnC-List 
<cnc-list@cnc-list.com> Date: 8/12/17  3:03 PM  (GMT-05:00) To: 
cnc-list@cnc-list.com Cc: Nauset Beach <nausetbe...@optonline.net> Subject: Re: 
Stus-List Electrical panel > J Boat Regatta 
Gary, Where is the sailing area?  The posted NOR does not indicate where they 
will be racing, and the SI’s were not posted as of yesterday.  Would assume 
outside unless the weather is really poor, but maybe they want to be inside for 
any shore spectators...   Thanks,Brian From: CnC-List 
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Sent: Friday, August 11, 2017 4:35 PM
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Cc: ahycrace <ahycr...@cox.net>
Subject: Re: Stus-List Electrical panel We will arrive in newport on thursday 
and stay at the Newport Yacht Club. Probably sail out to the course fri and sat 
to see what we can see without getting in anybodys way. Enjoy your trip as well 
as your time at the block.         Gary K. "Liberty" Sent from my Verizon, 
Samsung Galaxy smartphone  Original message From: Chuck 
Gilchrest via CnC-List <cnc-list@cnc-list.com> Date: 8/10/17 9:52 PM 
(GMT-05:00) To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com Cc: Chuck Gilchrest 
<csgilchr...@comcast.net> Subject: Re: Stus-List Electrical panel  We plan to 
leave Padanaram on Sun Aug 20 and stay at Newport Yachting Center for a few 
nights before heading to Block Island.  Hope to catch some racing en route to 
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Re: Stus-List Electrical panel > J Boat Regatta

[Nauset Beach via CnC-List]

Gary,

 

Where is the sailing area?  The posted NOR does not indicate where they will be 
racing, and the SI’s were not posted as of yesterday.  Would assume outside 
unless the weather is really poor, but maybe they want to be inside for any 
shore spectators...  

 

Thanks,

Brian

 

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Subject: Re: Stus-List Electrical panel

 

We will arrive in newport on thursday and stay at the Newport Yacht Club. 
Probably sail out to the course fri and sat to see what we can see without 
getting in anybodys way. Enjoy your trip as well as your time at the block. 
   

 

Gary K. "Liberty"

 

Sent from my Verizon, Samsung Galaxy smartphone

 

 Original message 

From: Chuck Gilchrest via CnC-List <cnc-list@cnc-list.com 
<mailto:cnc-list@cnc-list.com> > 

Date: 8/10/17 9:52 PM (GMT-05:00) 

To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com <mailto:cnc-list@cnc-list.com>  

Cc: Chuck Gilchrest <csgilchr...@comcast.net <mailto:csgilchr...@comcast.net> > 

Subject: Re: Stus-List Electrical panel 

 

We plan to leave Padanaram on Sun Aug 20 and stay at Newport Yachting Center 
for a few nights before heading to Block Island.  Hope to catch some racing en 
route to Block 

Chuck Gilchrest 

S/V Half Magic

1983 35 Landfall

Padanaram,MA

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[Jerome Tauber via CnC-List]

I'm heading for BI Friday and then Newport Saturday and Sunday. Thought races 
were over weekend.  Jerry Ragtime Hunter 37.5.  

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[ahycrace via CnC-List]

We will arrive in newport on thursday and stay at the Newport Yacht Club. 
Probably sail out to the course fri and sat to see what we can see without 
getting in anybodys way. Enjoy your trip as well as your time at the block.     
   
Gary K. "Liberty"


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 Original message From: Chuck Gilchrest via CnC-List 
<cnc-list@cnc-list.com> Date: 8/10/17  9:52 PM  (GMT-05:00) To: 
cnc-list@cnc-list.com Cc: Chuck Gilchrest <csgilchr...@comcast.net> Subject: 
Re: Stus-List Electrical panel 
We plan to leave Padanaram on Sun Aug 20 and stay at Newport Yachting Center 
for a few nights before heading to Block Island.  Hope to catch some racing en 
route to Block Chuck Gilchrest S/V Half Magic1983 35 LandfallPadanaram,MA

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wrote:

Chuck still going to newportv next week for the J class races?Gary Kolc  
"Liberty"


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<cnc-list@cnc-list.com> Date: 8/10/17  3:39 PM  (GMT-05:00) To: 
cnc-list@cnc-list.com Cc: Chuck Gilchrest <csgilchr...@comcast.net> Subject: 
Re: Stus-List Electrical panel 
Half Magic sports a working Raytheon 1200 CRT radar at the nav station.  Takes 
a while to warm up and it really draws some serious amperage.  As such I only 
tend to use it when motoring at night or in fog.  But it isn't awful once you 
learn to interpret what's out there.  I even got the owners manual and 
schematic diagram showing all the resistors and stuff..Chuck GilchrestS/V Half 
Magic1983 35 Landfall Padanaram, MA

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On Aug 10, 2017, at 3:03 PM, Joe Della Barba via CnC-List 
<cnc-list@cnc-list.com> wrote:

That looks like a Furuno CRT unit. They are actually quite nice radars.   
Joe Della Barbajoe@dellabarba.comFrom: CnC-List 
[mailto:cnc-list-boun...@cnc-list.com] On Behalf Of Frederick G Street via 
CnC-List
Sent: Thursday, August 10, 2017 2:41 PM
To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com
Cc: Frederick G Street <f...@postaudio.net>
Subject: Re: Stus-List Electrical panel Josh — is that REALLY a CRT radar 
display?  I haven’t seen one of those in years (except for the one somebody 
posted about a few weeks back, found in a river)…   :^) — Fred
Fred Street -- Minneapolis
S/V Oceanis (1979 C Landfall 38) -- Bayfield, WI On Aug 10, 2017, at 1:31 PM, 
Josh Muckley via CnC-List <cnc-list@cnc-list.com> wrote: 
https://drive.google.com/file/d/0B8pEh5lnvP1yVzdkVFMyVGhqRjA/view?usp=drivesdk 
Josh Muckley S/V Sea Hawk1989 C 37+Solomons, MD 
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Re: Stus-List Electrical panel

[Matthew L. Wolford via CnC-List]

I had two fail within the past year.

From: Dennis C. via CnC-List 
Sent: Thursday, August 10, 2017 1:46 PM
To: CnClist 
Cc: Dennis C. 
Subject: Re: Stus-List Electrical panel

Paul, 

Those look like standard A-series breakers with a white toggle.  They do fail.  

Blue Sea, Paneltronics, and lots of others make or market them.

Why did you buy used?  I would have bought new.

Dennis C.
Touche' 35-1 #83
Mandeville, LA

On Thu, Aug 10, 2017 at 10:11 AM, Paul via CnC-List <cnc-list@cnc-list.com> 
wrote:

  I have had 2 breaker switches in the panel malfunction in the same week.  I
  don't know if they are original but I assume they are.  They are Airpax
  Circuit Breaker UPG6-1-52-103-91. F.L10A. MAX 65VDC. DELAY 52.  They would
  become intermittent and I would need to wiggle the toggle to make it work.
  I bought 2 used replacements in the meantime but interested to know if you
  would recommend new panels or chock it up to coincidence and leave it as-is.
  I'll order another switch to keep on hand but looking for your thoughts.

  https://drive.google.com/open?id=0Bw4NOPYfe9OWNE1yeXBSWkZfb2M


  Thanks,
  Paul Hood
  81 C - Refuge
  Georgian Bay



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[Chuck Gilchrest via CnC-List]

We plan to leave Padanaram on Sun Aug 20 and stay at Newport Yachting Center 
for a few nights before heading to Block Island.  Hope to catch some racing en 
route to Block 
Chuck Gilchrest 
S/V Half Magic
1983 35 Landfall
Padanaram,MA

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> On Aug 10, 2017, at 6:02 PM, ahycrace via CnC-List <cnc-list@cnc-list.com> 
> wrote:
> 
> Chuck still going to newportv next week for the J class races?
> Gary Kolc  "Liberty"
> 
> 
> 
> Sent from my Verizon, Samsung Galaxy smartphone
> 
>  Original message 
> From: Chuck Gilchrest via CnC-List <cnc-list@cnc-list.com>
> Date: 8/10/17 3:39 PM (GMT-05:00)
> To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com
> Cc: Chuck Gilchrest <csgilchr...@comcast.net>
> Subject: Re: Stus-List Electrical panel
> 
> Half Magic sports a working Raytheon 1200 CRT radar at the nav station.  
> Takes a while to warm up and it really draws some serious amperage.  As such 
> I only tend to use it when motoring at night or in fog.  But it isn't awful 
> once you learn to interpret what's out there.  I even got the owners manual 
> and schematic diagram showing all the resistors and stuff..
> Chuck Gilchrest
> S/V Half Magic
> 1983 35 Landfall 
> Padanaram, MA
> 
> Sent from my iPhone
> 
>> On Aug 10, 2017, at 3:03 PM, Joe Della Barba via CnC-List 
>> <cnc-list@cnc-list.com> wrote:
>> 
>> That looks like a Furuno CRT unit. They are actually quite nice radars.
>>  
>>  
>> Joe Della Barba
>> j...@dellabarba.com
>> From: CnC-List [mailto:cnc-list-boun...@cnc-list.com] On Behalf Of Frederick 
>> G Street via CnC-List
>> Sent: Thursday, August 10, 2017 2:41 PM
>> To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com
>> Cc: Frederick G Street <f...@postaudio.net>
>> Subject: Re: Stus-List Electrical panel
>>  
>> Josh — is that REALLY a CRT radar display?  I haven’t seen one of those in 
>> years (except for the one somebody posted about a few weeks back, found in a 
>> river)…   :^)
>>  
>> — Fred
>> 
>> Fred Street -- Minneapolis
>> S/V Oceanis (1979 C Landfall 38) -- Bayfield, WI
>>  
>> On Aug 10, 2017, at 1:31 PM, Josh Muckley via CnC-List 
>> <cnc-list@cnc-list.com> wrote:
>>  
>> https://drive.google.com/file/d/0B8pEh5lnvP1yVzdkVFMyVGhqRjA/view?usp=drivesdk
>>  
>> Josh Muckley 
>> S/V Sea Hawk
>> 1989 C 37+
>> Solomons, MD
>>  
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[Frederick G Street via CnC-List]

Josh — all of the solid-state radar scanners and displays are MUCH more energy 
efficient than their predecessors.  The choice of scanner mostly comes down to 
whether it’s going to attach to an MFD, or be a black-box unit.  If’s it’s 
going to an MFD, you need to stick with the same manufacturer (obviously…).

Furuno, Garmin, Navico (Simrad/Lowrance/B) and Koden all make black-box 
scanners.  You just need to determine which one will be supported by the app 
you’re going to use.  It looks like OpenCPN supports at least the Garmin and 
Navico.  I’ve heard really good things about the Novice BR24, so that might be 
an option to consider along with the Garmin scanners.

Just know that if your laptop fails (not unheard of in salt air…), your radar 
is just a big boat anchor attached partway up the mast.  The purpose-built MFDs 
are much more robust in the marine environment, IMHO.

— Fred

Fred Street -- Minneapolis
S/V Oceanis (1979 C Landfall 38) -- Bayfield, WI

> On Aug 10, 2017, at 2:54 PM, Josh Muckley via CnC-List 
>  wrote:
> 
> Yep CRT, for the radar, and it works...if I actually knew how to use it.  I 
> turn it on from time to time and try to make out contacts but with most of 
> the inland sailing I do it is rather useless.  I've seen the newer digital 
> radars seem to work well with storm cells and overlay on the 
> chartplotter...seems much more useful.  Oddly enough I literally just spoke 
> to the local yard about having mast and rig work done this winter and 
> discussed replacing the radar.
> 
> Since you took interest, I'll entertain your thoughts on replacements.  With 
> the speed at which technology advances I hate spending money on planned 
> obsolescence items and lean towards OpenSource or at least opensource 
> compatible solutions.  IIRC OpenCPN has a module for the GARMIN HD radar 
> systems.
> 
> Another reason I don't use the radar regularly is that is is an energy hog.  
> ~10amps!!  It is also down below and doesn't talk to the chartplotter...at 
> all.  It only has NMEA 0183 provisions for course input, time input, sailing 
> instrument input, magnetic bearing input, no outputs.
> 
> Josh Muckley
> S/V Sea Hawk
> 1989 C 37+
> Solomons, MD

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[ahycrace via CnC-List]

Chuck still going to newport next week for the J class races?Gary Kolc  
"Liberty"


Sent from my Verizon, Samsung Galaxy smartphone
 Original message From: Chuck Gilchrest via CnC-List 
<cnc-list@cnc-list.com> Date: 8/10/17  3:39 PM  (GMT-05:00) To: 
cnc-list@cnc-list.com Cc: Chuck Gilchrest <csgilchr...@comcast.net> Subject: 
Re: Stus-List Electrical panel 
Half Magic sports a working Raytheon 1200 CRT radar at the nav station.  Takes 
a while to warm up and it really draws some serious amperage.  As such I only 
tend to use it when motoring at night or in fog.  But it isn't awful once you 
learn to interpret what's out there.  I even got the owners manual and 
schematic diagram showing all the resistors and stuff..Chuck GilchrestS/V Half 
Magic1983 35 Landfall Padanaram, MA

Sent from my iPhone
On Aug 10, 2017, at 3:03 PM, Joe Della Barba via CnC-List 
<cnc-list@cnc-list.com> wrote:

That looks like a Furuno CRT unit. They are actually quite nice radars.   
Joe Della Barbajoe@dellabarba.comFrom: CnC-List 
[mailto:cnc-list-boun...@cnc-list.com] On Behalf Of Frederick G Street via 
CnC-List
Sent: Thursday, August 10, 2017 2:41 PM
To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com
Cc: Frederick G Street <f...@postaudio.net>
Subject: Re: Stus-List Electrical panel Josh — is that REALLY a CRT radar 
display?  I haven’t seen one of those in years (except for the one somebody 
posted about a few weeks back, found in a river)…   :^) — Fred
Fred Street -- Minneapolis
S/V Oceanis (1979 C Landfall 38) -- Bayfield, WI On Aug 10, 2017, at 1:31 PM, 
Josh Muckley via CnC-List <cnc-list@cnc-list.com> wrote: 
https://drive.google.com/file/d/0B8pEh5lnvP1yVzdkVFMyVGhqRjA/view?usp=drivesdk 
Josh Muckley S/V Sea Hawk1989 C 37+Solomons, MD 
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Re: Stus-List Electrical panel

[Michael Brown via CnC-List]

Some are dual purpose switch / circuit breakers:

https://www.bluesea.com/products/7351/C-Series_White_Toggle_Circuit_Breaker_-_Single_Pole_10_Amp

That one is rated at 10,000 cycles as a switch.  The MRSP is $40 USD, more 
expensive than a switch and fuse.

Michael Brown
Windburn
C 30-1



Date: Thu, 10 Aug 2017 10:05:59 -0700 
From: svpegasus38 <svpegasu...@gmail.com> 
To: "cnc-list@cnc-list.com" <cnc-list@cnc-list.com> 
Subject: Re: Stus-List Electrical panel 
Message-ID: <jwcchjo8a22e4r6tbvc8krtp.1502384759...@email.android.com> 
Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8" 
 
Paul,?Circuit breakers were not designed to be used as a switch, although we 
all do. Me included. This being used as a switch will cause them to fail over 
time. I believe you just had bad luck having 2 fail symotainiously. I like 
paneltronics stuff. because I have used it in the past, and they will custom 
build a panel for you.? 
 
 
Sent from my T-Mobile 4G LTE DeviceDoug Mountjoy?POYC?Pegasus ?(for 
sale)?Lf38?Rebecca Leah?LF39? 
 Original message From: Paul via CnC-List 
<cnc-list@cnc-list.com> Date: 8/10/17  09:54  (GMT-08:00) To: 'Ron Ricci' 
<ron.ri...@1968.usna.com>, cnc-list@cnc-list.com Cc: paul.h...@rogers.com 
Subject: Re: Stus-List Electrical panel  
My 2 problem breakers were from the 12v DC side of the panel.? The AC is the 
left side and the DC is the right 2 sides. I have the main shut off switch 
for the panel otherwise, there is not backup breaker for the DC. 
 
Thanks, 
Paul Hood 
416.799.5549 c 
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[Josh Muckley via CnC-List]

Bruce,

Many owners replace the original switch panel with integrated breaker
panels.  Blue Seas makes some pretty nice ones.  I think people think they
are "upgrading" but as stated earlier now the only way to control loads is
with the breakers.

Josh

On Thu, Aug 10, 2017 at 3:51 PM, bwhitmore via CnC-List <
cnc-list@cnc-list.com> wrote:

> Interesting, Josh as mine (94 37/40+), look nothing like yours.  I'll have
> to talk a photo...
>
>
>
> Sent from my Verizon, Samsung Galaxy smartphone
>
>  Original message 
> From: Josh Muckley via CnC-List <cnc-list@cnc-list.com>
> Date: 8/10/17 12:31 PM (GMT-07:00)
> To: C List <cnc-list@cnc-list.com>
> Cc: Josh Muckley <muckl...@gmail.com>
> Subject: Re: Stus-List Electrical panel
>
> "Circuit breakers were not designed to be used as a switch, although we
> all do."  I never gave it much thought but it seems that the folks at C
> might have changed their methodology on the 37+.  I have a wide selection
> of "coffe pot" type switches at the switch panel on the nav station to turn
> on/off my electrical loads.  All the switches are wired to a bank of
> terminal boards which are powered from a series of circuit breakers.  It is
> rare for any circuit breakers to trip and unnecessary to operate them
> unless they do.  The terminal boards and circuit breakers are tucked neatly
> behind the nav station, during normal operation.
>
> https://drive.google.com/file/d/0B8pEh5lnvP1yVzdkVFMyVGhqRjA/
> view?usp=drivesdk
>
> Josh Muckley
> S/V Sea Hawk
> 1989 C 37+
> Solomons, MD
>
>
>
>
> On Aug 10, 2017 1:06 PM, "svpegasus38 via CnC-List" <cnc-list@cnc-list.com>
> wrote:
>
> Paul,
> Circuit breakers were not designed to be used as a switch, although we all
> do. Me included. This being used as a switch will cause them to fail over
> time. I believe you just had bad luck having 2 fail symotainiously. I like
> paneltronics stuff. because I have used it in the past, and they will
> custom build a panel for you.
>
>
>
> Sent from my T-Mobile 4G LTE Device
> Doug Mountjoy
> POYC
> Pegasus  (for sale)
> Lf38
> Rebecca Leah
> LF39
>
>  Original message 
> From: Paul via CnC-List <cnc-list@cnc-list.com>
> Date: 8/10/17 09:54 (GMT-08:00)
> To: 'Ron Ricci' <ron.ri...@1968.usna.com>, cnc-list@cnc-list.com
> Cc: paul.h...@rogers.com
> Subject: Re: Stus-List Electrical panel
>
> My 2 problem breakers were from the 12v DC side of the panel.  The AC is
> the
> left side and the DC is the right 2 sides. I have the main shut off switch
> for the panel otherwise, there is not backup breaker for the DC.
>
> Thanks,
> Paul Hood
> 416.799.5549 <(416)%20799-5549> c
>
> -Original Message-
> From: Ron Ricci [mailto:ron.ri...@1968.usna.com]
> Sent: August 10, 2017 11:55 AM
> To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com
> Cc: paul.h...@rogers.com
> Subject: RE: Stus-List Electrical panel
>
> Were these on your AC panel?  I have ones provided by Paneltronics on my DC
> panel but have to check my AC breaker ratings.  The ratings for some are 32
> VDC and others are 80  VDC/250 VAC.  They look similar to your panel in
> appearance.  So far, no problems.  Typically circuit breaker is rated for
> interrupt amps and voltage.  Grossly exceed the load for the voltage rating
> and they may not open.  You system should have a backup fuse or circuit
> breaker rated for the maximum short circuit load.
>
> I hope this is too much information and would try replacing the faulty
> breakers.
>
>
> Regards,
> Ron
> Ron Ricci
> S/V Patriot
> C 37+
> Bristol, RI
>
> ron.ri...@1968.usna.com
>
>
> -Original Message-
> From: CnC-List [mailto:cnc-list-boun...@cnc-list.com] On Behalf Of Paul
> via
> CnC-List
> Sent: Thursday, August 10, 2017 11:12 AM
> To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com
> Cc: paul.h...@rogers.com
> Subject: Stus-List Electrical panel
>
> I have had 2 breaker switches in the panel malfunction in the same week.  I
> don't know if they are original but I assume they are.  They are Airpax
> Circuit Breaker UPG6-1-52-103-91. F.L10A. MAX 65VDC. DELAY 52.  They would
> become intermittent and I would need to wiggle the toggle to make it work.
> I bought 2 used replacements in the meantime but interested to know if you
> would recommend new panels or chock it up to coincidence and leave it
> as-is.
> I'll order another switch to keep on hand but looking for your thoughts.
>
> https://drive.google.com/open?id=0Bw4NOPYfe9OWNE1yeXBSWkZfb2M
>
>
> Thanks,
> Paul Hood
> 81 C - Refuge
> Georgian Bay
>
>
>
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Re: Stus-List Electrical panel

[Josh Muckley via CnC-List]

Same here Chuck.  The unit seems pretty bomb proof.  Unlike you I don't
really know what I'm looking at and typically I don't motor at night, just
sail so my electrical needs are carefully considered.  200W of solar, 90Amp
alternator, and  600Ah of batteries helps ease my concerns.

Josh

On Thu, Aug 10, 2017 at 3:39 PM, Chuck Gilchrest via CnC-List <
cnc-list@cnc-list.com> wrote:

> Half Magic sports a working Raytheon 1200 CRT radar at the nav station.
> Takes a while to warm up and it really draws some serious amperage.  As
> such I only tend to use it when motoring at night or in fog.  But it isn't
> awful once you learn to interpret what's out there.  I even got the owners
> manual and schematic diagram showing all the resistors and stuff..
> Chuck Gilchrest
> S/V Half Magic
> 1983 35 Landfall
> Padanaram, MA
>
> Sent from my iPhone
>
> On Aug 10, 2017, at 3:03 PM, Joe Della Barba via CnC-List <
> cnc-list@cnc-list.com> wrote:
>
> That looks like a Furuno CRT unit. They are actually quite nice radars.
>
>
>
>
>
> Joe Della Barba
>
> j...@dellabarba.com
>
> *From:* CnC-List [mailto:cnc-list-boun...@cnc-list.com
> <cnc-list-boun...@cnc-list.com>] *On Behalf Of *Frederick G Street via
> CnC-List
> *Sent:* Thursday, August 10, 2017 2:41 PM
> *To:* cnc-list@cnc-list.com
> *Cc:* Frederick G Street <f...@postaudio.net>
> *Subject:* Re: Stus-List Electrical panel
>
>
>
> Josh — is that *REALLY* a CRT radar display?  I haven’t seen one of those
> in years (except for the one somebody posted about a few weeks back, found
> in a river)…   :^)
>
>
>
> — Fred
>
>
> Fred Street -- Minneapolis
> S/V *Oceanis* (1979 C Landfall 38) -- Bayfield, WI
>
>
>
> On Aug 10, 2017, at 1:31 PM, Josh Muckley via CnC-List <
> cnc-list@cnc-list.com> wrote:
>
>
>
> https://drive.google.com/file/d/0B8pEh5lnvP1yVzdkVFMyVGhqRjA/
> view?usp=drivesdk
>
>
>
> Josh Muckley
>
> S/V Sea Hawk
>
> 1989 C 37+
>
> Solomons, MD
>
>
>
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Re: Stus-List Electrical panel

[Josh Muckley via CnC-List]

Yep CRT, for the radar, and it works...if I actually knew how to use it.  I
turn it on from time to time and try to make out contacts but with most of
the inland sailing I do it is rather useless.  I've seen the newer digital
radars seem to work well with storm cells and overlay on the
chartplotter...seems much more useful.  Oddly enough I literally just spoke
to the local yard about having mast and rig work done this winter and
discussed replacing the radar.

Since you took interest, I'll entertain your thoughts on replacements.
With the speed at which technology advances I hate spending money on
planned obsolescence items and lean towards OpenSource or at least
opensource compatible solutions.  IIRC OpenCPN has a module for the GARMIN
HD radar systems.

Another reason I don't use the radar regularly is that is is an energy hog.
 ~10amps!!  It is also down below and doesn't talk to the chartplotter...at
all.  It only has NMEA 0183 provisions for course input, time input,
sailing instrument input, magnetic bearing input, no outputs.

Josh Muckley
S/V Sea Hawk
1989 C 37+
Solomons, MD

On Thu, Aug 10, 2017 at 2:41 PM, Frederick G Street via CnC-List <
cnc-list@cnc-list.com> wrote:

> Josh — is that *REALLY* a CRT radar display?  I haven’t seen one of those
> in years (except for the one somebody posted about a few weeks back, found
> in a river)…   :^)
>
> — Fred
>
> Fred Street -- Minneapolis
> S/V Oceanis (1979 C Landfall 38) -- Bayfield, WI
>
> On Aug 10, 2017, at 1:31 PM, Josh Muckley via CnC-List <
> cnc-list@cnc-list.com> wrote:
>
> https://drive.google.com/file/d/0B8pEh5lnvP1yVzdkVFMyVGhqRjA/
> view?usp=drivesdk
>
> Josh Muckley
> S/V Sea Hawk
> 1989 C 37+
> Solomons, MD
>
>
>
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Re: Stus-List Electrical panel

[bwhitmore via CnC-List]

Interesting, Josh as mine (94 37/40+), look nothing like yours.  I'll have to 
talk a photo...


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 Original message From: Josh Muckley via CnC-List 
<cnc-list@cnc-list.com> Date: 8/10/17  12:31 PM  (GMT-07:00) To: C List 
<cnc-list@cnc-list.com> Cc: Josh Muckley <muckl...@gmail.com> Subject: Re: 
Stus-List Electrical panel 
"Circuit breakers were not designed to be used as a switch, although we all 
do."  I never gave it much thought but it seems that the folks at C might 
have changed their methodology on the 37+.  I have a wide selection of "coffe 
pot" type switches at the switch panel on the nav station to turn on/off my 
electrical loads.  All the switches are wired to a bank of terminal boards 
which are powered from a series of circuit breakers.  It is rare for any 
circuit breakers to trip and unnecessary to operate them unless they do.  The 
terminal boards and circuit breakers are tucked neatly behind the nav station, 
during normal operation.
https://drive.google.com/file/d/0B8pEh5lnvP1yVzdkVFMyVGhqRjA/view?usp=drivesdk

Josh Muckley S/V Sea Hawk1989 C 37+Solomons, MD



On Aug 10, 2017 1:06 PM, "svpegasus38 via CnC-List" <cnc-list@cnc-list.com> 
wrote:
Paul, Circuit breakers were not designed to be used as a switch, although we 
all do. Me included. This being used as a switch will cause them to fail over 
time. I believe you just had bad luck having 2 fail symotainiously. I like 
paneltronics stuff. because I have used it in the past, and they will custom 
build a panel for you. 


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Rebecca Leah LF39 
 Original message From: Paul via CnC-List 
<cnc-list@cnc-list.com> Date: 8/10/17  09:54  (GMT-08:00) To: 'Ron Ricci' 
<ron.ri...@1968.usna.com>, cnc-list@cnc-list.com Cc: paul.h...@rogers.com 
Subject: Re: Stus-List Electrical panel 
My 2 problem breakers were from the 12v DC side of the panel.  The AC is the
left side and the DC is the right 2 sides. I have the main shut off switch
for the panel otherwise, there is not backup breaker for the DC.

Thanks,
Paul Hood
416.799.5549 c

-Original Message-
From: Ron Ricci [mailto:ron.ri...@1968.usna.com] 
Sent: August 10, 2017 11:55 AM
To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com
Cc: paul.h...@rogers.com
Subject: RE: Stus-List Electrical panel

Were these on your AC panel?  I have ones provided by Paneltronics on my DC
panel but have to check my AC breaker ratings.  The ratings for some are 32
VDC and others are 80  VDC/250 VAC.  They look similar to your panel in
appearance.  So far, no problems.  Typically circuit breaker is rated for
interrupt amps and voltage.  Grossly exceed the load for the voltage rating
and they may not open.  You system should have a backup fuse or circuit
breaker rated for the maximum short circuit load.

I hope this is too much information and would try replacing the faulty
breakers.


Regards,
Ron
Ron Ricci
S/V Patriot
C 37+
Bristol, RI

ron.ri...@1968.usna.com


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CnC-List
Sent: Thursday, August 10, 2017 11:12 AM
To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com
Cc: paul.h...@rogers.com
Subject: Stus-List Electrical panel

I have had 2 breaker switches in the panel malfunction in the same week.  I
don't know if they are original but I assume they are.  They are Airpax
Circuit Breaker UPG6-1-52-103-91. F.L10A. MAX 65VDC. DELAY 52.  They would
become intermittent and I would need to wiggle the toggle to make it work.
I bought 2 used replacements in the meantime but interested to know if you
would recommend new panels or chock it up to coincidence and leave it as-is.
I'll order another switch to keep on hand but looking for your thoughts.

https://drive.google.com/open?id=0Bw4NOPYfe9OWNE1yeXBSWkZfb2M


Thanks,
Paul Hood
81 C - Refuge
Georgian Bay



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Re: Stus-List Electrical panel

[Chuck Gilchrest via CnC-List]

Half Magic sports a working Raytheon 1200 CRT radar at the nav station.  Takes 
a while to warm up and it really draws some serious amperage.  As such I only 
tend to use it when motoring at night or in fog.  But it isn't awful once you 
learn to interpret what's out there.  I even got the owners manual and 
schematic diagram showing all the resistors and stuff..
Chuck Gilchrest
S/V Half Magic
1983 35 Landfall 
Padanaram, MA

Sent from my iPhone

> On Aug 10, 2017, at 3:03 PM, Joe Della Barba via CnC-List 
> <cnc-list@cnc-list.com> wrote:
> 
> That looks like a Furuno CRT unit. They are actually quite nice radars.
>  
>  
> Joe Della Barba
> j...@dellabarba.com
> From: CnC-List [mailto:cnc-list-boun...@cnc-list.com] On Behalf Of Frederick 
> G Street via CnC-List
> Sent: Thursday, August 10, 2017 2:41 PM
> To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com
> Cc: Frederick G Street <f...@postaudio.net>
> Subject: Re: Stus-List Electrical panel
>  
> Josh — is that REALLY a CRT radar display?  I haven’t seen one of those in 
> years (except for the one somebody posted about a few weeks back, found in a 
> river)…   :^)
>  
> — Fred
> 
> Fred Street -- Minneapolis
> S/V Oceanis (1979 C Landfall 38) -- Bayfield, WI
>  
> On Aug 10, 2017, at 1:31 PM, Josh Muckley via CnC-List 
> <cnc-list@cnc-list.com> wrote:
>  
> https://drive.google.com/file/d/0B8pEh5lnvP1yVzdkVFMyVGhqRjA/view?usp=drivesdk
>  
> Josh Muckley 
> S/V Sea Hawk
> 1989 C 37+
> Solomons, MD
>  
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Stus-List Electrical Panel

[Paul via CnC-List]

Dennis,

Ya new would have been good.   I blew one thought it was odd and googled the
model to get an exact match.  The only thing that came up was 2 used on
ebay.  I figured I better get them even used as I again thought 35-40 year
old breakers wouldn't be available new anymore.  I guess too much thinking
and not enough looking.  I'll pick up a couple new ones to keep on hand for
now.


Date: Thu, 10 Aug 2017 12:46:21 -0500
From: "Dennis C." <capt...@gmail.com>
To: CnClist <cnc-list@cnc-list.com>
Subject: Re: Stus-List Electrical panel
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Paul,

Those look like standard A-series breakers with a white toggle.  They do
fail.

Blue Sea, Paneltronics, and lots of others make or market them.

Why did you buy used?  I would have bought new.

Dennis C.
Touche' 35-1 #83
Mandeville, LA




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Re: Stus-List Electrical panel

[Dennis C. via CnC-List]

Fred,

See that panel to the left.  That's where Josh keeps his Atari.

Dennis C.

On Thu, Aug 10, 2017 at 1:41 PM, Frederick G Street via CnC-List <
cnc-list@cnc-list.com> wrote:

> Josh — is that *REALLY* a CRT radar display?  I haven’t seen one of those
> in years (except for the one somebody posted about a few weeks back, found
> in a river)…   :^)
>
> — Fred
>
> Fred Street -- Minneapolis
> S/V Oceanis (1979 C Landfall 38) -- Bayfield, WI
>
> On Aug 10, 2017, at 1:31 PM, Josh Muckley via CnC-List <
> cnc-list@cnc-list.com> wrote:
>
> https://drive.google.com/file/d/0B8pEh5lnvP1yVzdkVFMyVGhqRjA/
> view?usp=drivesdk
>
> Josh Muckley
> S/V Sea Hawk
> 1989 C 37+
> Solomons, MD
>
>
>
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Re: Stus-List Electrical panel

[Joe Della Barba via CnC-List]

That looks like a Furuno CRT unit. They are actually quite nice radars. 

 

 

Joe Della Barba

j...@dellabarba.com

From: CnC-List [mailto:cnc-list-boun...@cnc-list.com] On Behalf Of Frederick G 
Street via CnC-List
Sent: Thursday, August 10, 2017 2:41 PM
To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com
Cc: Frederick G Street <f...@postaudio.net>
Subject: Re: Stus-List Electrical panel

 

Josh — is that REALLY a CRT radar display?  I haven’t seen one of those in 
years (except for the one somebody posted about a few weeks back, found in a 
river)…   :^)

 

— Fred


Fred Street -- Minneapolis
S/V Oceanis (1979 C Landfall 38) -- Bayfield, WI

 

On Aug 10, 2017, at 1:31 PM, Josh Muckley via CnC-List <cnc-list@cnc-list.com 
<mailto:cnc-list@cnc-list.com> > wrote:

 

https://drive.google.com/file/d/0B8pEh5lnvP1yVzdkVFMyVGhqRjA/view?usp=drivesdk

 

Josh Muckley 

S/V Sea Hawk

1989 C 37+

Solomons, MD

 

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Re: Stus-List Electrical panel

[Frederick G Street via CnC-List]

Josh — is that REALLY a CRT radar display?  I haven’t seen one of those in 
years (except for the one somebody posted about a few weeks back, found in a 
river)…   :^)

— Fred

Fred Street -- Minneapolis
S/V Oceanis (1979 C Landfall 38) -- Bayfield, WI

> On Aug 10, 2017, at 1:31 PM, Josh Muckley via CnC-List 
>  wrote:
> 
> https://drive.google.com/file/d/0B8pEh5lnvP1yVzdkVFMyVGhqRjA/view?usp=drivesdk
>  
> 
> 
> Josh Muckley 
> S/V Sea Hawk
> 1989 C 37+
> Solomons, MD

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Re: Stus-List Electrical panel

[Josh Muckley via CnC-List]

"Circuit breakers were not designed to be used as a switch, although we all
do."  I never gave it much thought but it seems that the folks at C might
have changed their methodology on the 37+.  I have a wide selection of
"coffe pot" type switches at the switch panel on the nav station to turn
on/off my electrical loads.  All the switches are wired to a bank of
terminal boards which are powered from a series of circuit breakers.  It is
rare for any circuit breakers to trip and unnecessary to operate them
unless they do.  The terminal boards and circuit breakers are tucked neatly
behind the nav station, during normal operation.

https://drive.google.com/file/d/0B8pEh5lnvP1yVzdkVFMyVGhqRjA/view?usp=drivesdk

Josh Muckley
S/V Sea Hawk
1989 C 37+
Solomons, MD




On Aug 10, 2017 1:06 PM, "svpegasus38 via CnC-List" <cnc-list@cnc-list.com>
wrote:

Paul,
Circuit breakers were not designed to be used as a switch, although we all
do. Me included. This being used as a switch will cause them to fail over
time. I believe you just had bad luck having 2 fail symotainiously. I like
paneltronics stuff. because I have used it in the past, and they will
custom build a panel for you.



Sent from my T-Mobile 4G LTE Device
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POYC
Pegasus  (for sale)
Lf38
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LF39

 Original message 
From: Paul via CnC-List <cnc-list@cnc-list.com>
Date: 8/10/17 09:54 (GMT-08:00)
To: 'Ron Ricci' <ron.ri...@1968.usna.com>, cnc-list@cnc-list.com
Cc: paul.h...@rogers.com
Subject: Re: Stus-List Electrical panel

My 2 problem breakers were from the 12v DC side of the panel.  The AC is the
left side and the DC is the right 2 sides. I have the main shut off switch
for the panel otherwise, there is not backup breaker for the DC.

Thanks,
Paul Hood
416.799.5549 <(416)%20799-5549> c

-Original Message-
From: Ron Ricci [mailto:ron.ri...@1968.usna.com]
Sent: August 10, 2017 11:55 AM
To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com
Cc: paul.h...@rogers.com
Subject: RE: Stus-List Electrical panel

Were these on your AC panel?  I have ones provided by Paneltronics on my DC
panel but have to check my AC breaker ratings.  The ratings for some are 32
VDC and others are 80  VDC/250 VAC.  They look similar to your panel in
appearance.  So far, no problems.  Typically circuit breaker is rated for
interrupt amps and voltage.  Grossly exceed the load for the voltage rating
and they may not open.  You system should have a backup fuse or circuit
breaker rated for the maximum short circuit load.

I hope this is too much information and would try replacing the faulty
breakers.


Regards,
Ron
Ron Ricci
S/V Patriot
C 37+
Bristol, RI

ron.ri...@1968.usna.com


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CnC-List
Sent: Thursday, August 10, 2017 11:12 AM
To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com
Cc: paul.h...@rogers.com
Subject: Stus-List Electrical panel

I have had 2 breaker switches in the panel malfunction in the same week.  I
don't know if they are original but I assume they are.  They are Airpax
Circuit Breaker UPG6-1-52-103-91. F.L10A. MAX 65VDC. DELAY 52.  They would
become intermittent and I would need to wiggle the toggle to make it work.
I bought 2 used replacements in the meantime but interested to know if you
would recommend new panels or chock it up to coincidence and leave it as-is.
I'll order another switch to keep on hand but looking for your thoughts.

https://drive.google.com/open?id=0Bw4NOPYfe9OWNE1yeXBSWkZfb2M


Thanks,
Paul Hood
81 C - Refuge
Georgian Bay



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Re: Stus-List Electrical panel

[Della Barba, Joe via CnC-List]

3 issues:

1.  The circuit breakers. They are cheap enough on Fleabay or Port Supply 
or Defender new, I would never get used ones.

2.  The panel – nice new Blue Seas or Paneltronics look so good…but the 
actual breakers are the same as ever.

3.  The wiring behind them.
You may want to think about all 3

Joe
Coquina

From: CnC-List [mailto:cnc-list-boun...@cnc-list.com] On Behalf Of Dennis C. 
via CnC-List
Sent: Thursday, August 10, 2017 1:46 PM
To: CnClist <cnc-list@cnc-list.com>
Cc: Dennis C. <capt...@gmail.com>
Subject: Re: Stus-List Electrical panel

Paul,

Those look like standard A-series breakers with a white toggle.  They do fail.

Blue Sea, Paneltronics, and lots of others make or market them.

Why did you buy used?  I would have bought new.

Dennis C.
Touche' 35-1 #83
Mandeville, LA

On Thu, Aug 10, 2017 at 10:11 AM, Paul via CnC-List 
<cnc-list@cnc-list.com<mailto:cnc-list@cnc-list.com>> wrote:
I have had 2 breaker switches in the panel malfunction in the same week.  I
don't know if they are original but I assume they are.  They are Airpax
Circuit Breaker UPG6-1-52-103-91. F.L10A. MAX 65VDC. DELAY 52.  They would
become intermittent and I would need to wiggle the toggle to make it work.
I bought 2 used replacements in the meantime but interested to know if you
would recommend new panels or chock it up to coincidence and leave it as-is.
I'll order another switch to keep on hand but looking for your thoughts.

https://drive.google.com/open?id=0Bw4NOPYfe9OWNE1yeXBSWkZfb2M


Thanks,
Paul Hood
81 C - Refuge
Georgian Bay



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Re: Stus-List Electrical panel

[Dennis C. via CnC-List]

Paul,

Those look like standard A-series breakers with a white toggle.  They do
fail.

Blue Sea, Paneltronics, and lots of others make or market them.

Why did you buy used?  I would have bought new.

Dennis C.
Touche' 35-1 #83
Mandeville, LA

On Thu, Aug 10, 2017 at 10:11 AM, Paul via CnC-List 
wrote:

> I have had 2 breaker switches in the panel malfunction in the same week.  I
> don't know if they are original but I assume they are.  They are Airpax
> Circuit Breaker UPG6-1-52-103-91. F.L10A. MAX 65VDC. DELAY 52.  They would
> become intermittent and I would need to wiggle the toggle to make it work.
> I bought 2 used replacements in the meantime but interested to know if you
> would recommend new panels or chock it up to coincidence and leave it
> as-is.
> I'll order another switch to keep on hand but looking for your thoughts.
>
> https://drive.google.com/open?id=0Bw4NOPYfe9OWNE1yeXBSWkZfb2M
>
>
> Thanks,
> Paul Hood
> 81 C - Refuge
> Georgian Bay
>
>
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Re: Stus-List Electrical panel

[svpegasus38 via CnC-List]

Paul, Circuit breakers were not designed to be used as a switch, although we 
all do. Me included. This being used as a switch will cause them to fail over 
time. I believe you just had bad luck having 2 fail symotainiously. I like 
paneltronics stuff. because I have used it in the past, and they will custom 
build a panel for you. 


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Rebecca Leah LF39 
 Original message From: Paul via CnC-List 
<cnc-list@cnc-list.com> Date: 8/10/17  09:54  (GMT-08:00) To: 'Ron Ricci' 
<ron.ri...@1968.usna.com>, cnc-list@cnc-list.com Cc: paul.h...@rogers.com 
Subject: Re: Stus-List Electrical panel 
My 2 problem breakers were from the 12v DC side of the panel.  The AC is the
left side and the DC is the right 2 sides. I have the main shut off switch
for the panel otherwise, there is not backup breaker for the DC.

Thanks,
Paul Hood
416.799.5549 c

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From: Ron Ricci [mailto:ron.ri...@1968.usna.com] 
Sent: August 10, 2017 11:55 AM
To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com
Cc: paul.h...@rogers.com
Subject: RE: Stus-List Electrical panel

Were these on your AC panel?  I have ones provided by Paneltronics on my DC
panel but have to check my AC breaker ratings.  The ratings for some are 32
VDC and others are 80  VDC/250 VAC.  They look similar to your panel in
appearance.  So far, no problems.  Typically circuit breaker is rated for
interrupt amps and voltage.  Grossly exceed the load for the voltage rating
and they may not open.  You system should have a backup fuse or circuit
breaker rated for the maximum short circuit load.

I hope this is too much information and would try replacing the faulty
breakers.


Regards,
Ron
Ron Ricci
S/V Patriot
C 37+
Bristol, RI

ron.ri...@1968.usna.com


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To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com
Cc: paul.h...@rogers.com
Subject: Stus-List Electrical panel

I have had 2 breaker switches in the panel malfunction in the same week.  I
don't know if they are original but I assume they are.  They are Airpax
Circuit Breaker UPG6-1-52-103-91. F.L10A. MAX 65VDC. DELAY 52.  They would
become intermittent and I would need to wiggle the toggle to make it work.
I bought 2 used replacements in the meantime but interested to know if you
would recommend new panels or chock it up to coincidence and leave it as-is.
I'll order another switch to keep on hand but looking for your thoughts.

https://drive.google.com/open?id=0Bw4NOPYfe9OWNE1yeXBSWkZfb2M


Thanks,
Paul Hood
81 C - Refuge
Georgian Bay



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Re: Stus-List Electrical panel

[Paul via CnC-List]

My 2 problem breakers were from the 12v DC side of the panel.  The AC is the
left side and the DC is the right 2 sides. I have the main shut off switch
for the panel otherwise, there is not backup breaker for the DC.

Thanks,
Paul Hood
416.799.5549 c

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From: Ron Ricci [mailto:ron.ri...@1968.usna.com] 
Sent: August 10, 2017 11:55 AM
To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com
Cc: paul.h...@rogers.com
Subject: RE: Stus-List Electrical panel

Were these on your AC panel?  I have ones provided by Paneltronics on my DC
panel but have to check my AC breaker ratings.  The ratings for some are 32
VDC and others are 80  VDC/250 VAC.  They look similar to your panel in
appearance.  So far, no problems.  Typically circuit breaker is rated for
interrupt amps and voltage.  Grossly exceed the load for the voltage rating
and they may not open.  You system should have a backup fuse or circuit
breaker rated for the maximum short circuit load.

I hope this is too much information and would try replacing the faulty
breakers.


Regards,
Ron
Ron Ricci
S/V Patriot
C 37+
Bristol, RI

ron.ri...@1968.usna.com


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Cc: paul.h...@rogers.com
Subject: Stus-List Electrical panel

I have had 2 breaker switches in the panel malfunction in the same week.  I
don't know if they are original but I assume they are.  They are Airpax
Circuit Breaker UPG6-1-52-103-91. F.L10A. MAX 65VDC. DELAY 52.  They would
become intermittent and I would need to wiggle the toggle to make it work.
I bought 2 used replacements in the meantime but interested to know if you
would recommend new panels or chock it up to coincidence and leave it as-is.
I'll order another switch to keep on hand but looking for your thoughts.

https://drive.google.com/open?id=0Bw4NOPYfe9OWNE1yeXBSWkZfb2M


Thanks,
Paul Hood
81 C - Refuge
Georgian Bay



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Re: Stus-List Electrical panel

[Ron Ricci via CnC-List]

Were these on your AC panel?  I have ones provided by Paneltronics on my DC
panel but have to check my AC breaker ratings.  The ratings for some are 32
VDC and others are 80  VDC/250 VAC.  They look similar to your panel in
appearance.  So far, no problems.  Typically circuit breaker is rated for
interrupt amps and voltage.  Grossly exceed the load for the voltage rating
and they may not open.  You system should have a backup fuse or circuit
breaker rated for the maximum short circuit load.

I hope this is too much information and would try replacing the faulty
breakers.


Regards,
Ron
Ron Ricci
S/V Patriot
C 37+
Bristol, RI

ron.ri...@1968.usna.com


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Cc: paul.h...@rogers.com
Subject: Stus-List Electrical panel

I have had 2 breaker switches in the panel malfunction in the same week.  I
don't know if they are original but I assume they are.  They are Airpax
Circuit Breaker UPG6-1-52-103-91. F.L10A. MAX 65VDC. DELAY 52.  They would
become intermittent and I would need to wiggle the toggle to make it work.
I bought 2 used replacements in the meantime but interested to know if you
would recommend new panels or chock it up to coincidence and leave it as-is.
I'll order another switch to keep on hand but looking for your thoughts.

https://drive.google.com/open?id=0Bw4NOPYfe9OWNE1yeXBSWkZfb2M


Thanks,
Paul Hood
81 C - Refuge
Georgian Bay



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Stus-List Electrical panel

[Paul via CnC-List]

I have had 2 breaker switches in the panel malfunction in the same week.  I
don't know if they are original but I assume they are.  They are Airpax
Circuit Breaker UPG6-1-52-103-91. F.L10A. MAX 65VDC. DELAY 52.  They would
become intermittent and I would need to wiggle the toggle to make it work.
I bought 2 used replacements in the meantime but interested to know if you
would recommend new panels or chock it up to coincidence and leave it as-is.
I'll order another switch to keep on hand but looking for your thoughts.

https://drive.google.com/open?id=0Bw4NOPYfe9OWNE1yeXBSWkZfb2M


Thanks,
Paul Hood
81 C - Refuge
Georgian Bay



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Re: Stus-List Electrical panel

[Rick Brass]

The panel on the mid-70s 38 was wood grain with the labels routered into the
surface and showing white text. Over the years I’ve addes a number of items
abd moved others around to what seemed a more logical grouping. 

 

A local chandlery had a display of black plastic tags about 1 ¼” x ½” with
white lettering for common things like “Bilge Pump”. “Radio”, “Stereo”,
“Refrigeration”, “Radar”, etc. Cost about $1 each.  For other labels I
needed, I went to a local shop that does trophies and engraving with a list
of things like “Apparent Wind”, “Depth Sounder”, “Speed Log”, “Water Pump”,
etc. Wish I had taken the whole list to them because they only charged me
about $.60 per tag and apologized that the price was so high. Guess they are
not used to making things for boats.

 

The tags came with a self adhesive strip on the back, so it was just peel
and press to put them in place and the black tags are easier to read than
the old white on “teak” labeling.

 

Rick Brass

 

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Sent: Thursday, February 07, 2013 10:48 AM
To: CnC-List@cnc-list.com
Subject: Stus-List Electrical panel

 

Over the years my panel labels have been updated with tasteful bits of tape
and things like Water Heater scrawled next to the switches. Does anyone know
where I can find the grey stickers that were there originally...or if
they're even available?
Andy
CC 40
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Re: Stus-List Electrical panel

[Joel Aronson]

Andy,
I use a PTouch label maker.

Joel
35/3
Annapolis


On Thu, Feb 7, 2013 at 10:47 AM, Andrew Burton a.burton.sai...@gmail.comwrote:

 Over the years my panel labels have been updated with tasteful bits of
 tape and things like Water Heater scrawled next to the switches. Does
 anyone know where I can find the grey stickers that were there
 originally...or if they're even available?
 Andy
 CC 40
 Peregrine
 Newport, RI

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Re: Stus-List Electrical panel

[Andrew Burton]

Does it go with the grey panel, Joel? I can make labels on my computer
using clear labels and black text, but what I want is the slightly darker
grey label and white text of the standard CC panel from the early 80s.
Andy
CC 40
Peregrine
Newport, RI


On Thu, Feb 7, 2013 at 10:58 AM, Joel Aronson joel.aron...@gmail.comwrote:

 Andy,
 I use a PTouch label maker.

 Joel
 35/3
 Annapolis


 On Thu, Feb 7, 2013 at 10:47 AM, Andrew Burton 
 a.burton.sai...@gmail.comwrote:

 Over the years my panel labels have been updated with tasteful bits of
 tape and things like Water Heater scrawled next to the switches. Does
 anyone know where I can find the grey stickers that were there
 originally...or if they're even available?
 Andy
 CC 40
 Peregrine
 Newport, RI

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 Newport, RI
 USA 02840
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Re: Stus-List Electrical panel

[David Risch]

Andrew,

My source is buried, but I did buy those labels for Corsair's panel and they 
did match perfectly.  I believe I just googled the item and I found them.  I 
will poke around in the meantime.

David F. Risch
1981 40-2
(401) 419-4650 (cell)


From: a.burton.sai...@gmail.com
Date: Thu, 7 Feb 2013 11:03:25 -0500
To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com
Subject: Re: Stus-List Electrical panel

Does it go with the grey panel, Joel? I can make labels on my computer using 
clear labels and black text, but what I want is the slightly darker grey label 
and white text of the standard CC panel from the early 80s.


Andy
CC 40
Peregrine
Newport, RI

On Thu, Feb 7, 2013 at 10:58 AM, Joel Aronson joel.aron...@gmail.com wrote:


Andy,I use a PTouch label maker.  
Joel35/3Annapolis



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wrote:



Over the years my panel labels have been updated with tasteful bits of tape and 
things like Water Heater scrawled next to the switches. Does anyone know where 
I can find the grey stickers that were there originally...or if they're even 
available?





Andy
CC 40
Peregrine
Newport, RI
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Re: Stus-List Electrical panel

[Joel Aronson]

They make a black tape with white lettering, but I've been using white tape.


On Thu, Feb 7, 2013 at 11:03 AM, Andrew Burton a.burton.sai...@gmail.comwrote:

 Does it go with the grey panel, Joel? I can make labels on my computer
 using clear labels and black text, but what I want is the slightly darker
 grey label and white text of the standard CC panel from the early 80s.

 Andy
 CC 40
 Peregrine
 Newport, RI


 On Thu, Feb 7, 2013 at 10:58 AM, Joel Aronson joel.aron...@gmail.comwrote:

 Andy,
 I use a PTouch label maker.

 Joel
 35/3
 Annapolis


 On Thu, Feb 7, 2013 at 10:47 AM, Andrew Burton a.burton.sai...@gmail.com
  wrote:

 Over the years my panel labels have been updated with tasteful bits of
 tape and things like Water Heater scrawled next to the switches. Does
 anyone know where I can find the grey stickers that were there
 originally...or if they're even available?
 Andy
 CC 40
 Peregrine
 Newport, RI

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Re: Stus-List Electrical panel

[Andrew Burton]

Thanks, Dave, I'd appreciate anything you can find.
Andy
CC 40
Peregrine
Newport, RI


On Thu, Feb 7, 2013 at 11:06 AM, Joel Aronson joel.aron...@gmail.comwrote:

 They make a black tape with white lettering, but I've been using white
 tape.


 On Thu, Feb 7, 2013 at 11:03 AM, Andrew Burton 
 a.burton.sai...@gmail.comwrote:

 Does it go with the grey panel, Joel? I can make labels on my computer
 using clear labels and black text, but what I want is the slightly darker
 grey label and white text of the standard CC panel from the early 80s.

 Andy
 CC 40
 Peregrine
 Newport, RI


 On Thu, Feb 7, 2013 at 10:58 AM, Joel Aronson joel.aron...@gmail.comwrote:

 Andy,
 I use a PTouch label maker.

 Joel
 35/3
 Annapolis


 On Thu, Feb 7, 2013 at 10:47 AM, Andrew Burton 
 a.burton.sai...@gmail.com wrote:

 Over the years my panel labels have been updated with tasteful bits of
 tape and things like Water Heater scrawled next to the switches. Does
 anyone know where I can find the grey stickers that were there
 originally...or if they're even available?
 Andy
 CC 40
 Peregrine
 Newport, RI

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Re: Stus-List Electrical panel - Blue Sea labels

[Martin DeYoung]

If the panel is a Blue Sea product I have several packages of labels left over 
from replacing Calypso's panels.

Do you want me to send an image of the labels to your non cnc-list email?

Martin
Calypso
1970 CC 43
Seattle

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Subject: Re: Stus-List Electrical panel

Andrew,

Check Blue Sea...assuming we have the same panel.

David F. Risch
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Re: Stus-List Electrical panel - Blue Sea labels

[Andrew Burton]

Thanks, Martin, that would be great. I don't think the panel is Blue Sea,
unless that was what was used in the early 80s.
Andy
CC 40
Peregrine
Newport, RI


On Thu, Feb 7, 2013 at 12:58 PM, Martin DeYoung mdeyo...@deyoungmfg.comwrote:

 

 If the panel is a Blue** ** Sea product I have several packages
 of labels left over from replacing Calypso’s panels.

 ** **

 Do you want me to send an image of the labels to your non cnc-list email?*
 ***

 ** **

 Martin

 Calypso

 1970 CC 43

 Seattle
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 *To:* CNC CNC
 *Subject:* Re: Stus-List Electrical panel

 ** **

 Andrew,

 Check** ** Blue** **Sea...assuming we have the same panel.

 David F. Risch
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Re: Stus-List Electrical panel - Blue Sea labels

[Dave Godwin]

Andrew, the panels are not Blue Sea. I replaced mine with BS panels as part of 
the rewiring project but in the years prior I just bought good quality new 
labels and replaced the originals. Just a thought.

Dave

Sent from my iPhone

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 Thanks, Martin, that would be great. I don't think the panel is Blue Sea, 
 unless that was what was used in the early 80s.
 Andy
 CC 40
 Peregrine
 Newport, RI
 
 
 On Thu, Feb 7, 2013 at 12:58 PM, Martin DeYoung mdeyo...@deyoungmfg.com 
 wrote:
 If the panel is a Blue Sea product I have several packages of labels left 
 over from replacing Calypso’s panels.
 
  
 
 Do you want me to send an image of the labels to your non cnc-list email?
 
  
 
 Martin
 
 Calypso
 
 1970 CC 43
 
 Seattle
 
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 Risch
 Sent: Thursday, February 07, 2013 8:26 AM
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 Subject: Re: Stus-List Electrical panel
 
  
 
 Andrew,
 
 Check Blue Sea...assuming we have the same panel.
 
 David F. Risch
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Re: Stus-List Electrical panel

[Graham Collins]

They don't have grey, but paneltronics.com has every possible label you 
might want, individually.  I redid my panel with their labels.


Tape is nice, I had that, paper labels, and something that looked like 
part of a label such as one would have put on a cassette tape back when 
those existed.  And that gnarley impact printed plastic, you know the 
one where you turn the dial to the letter you want and clench your hand 
to pull the lever and indent the letter into the tape...


Graham Collins
Secret Plans
CC 35-III #11

On 2013-02-07 11:47 AM, Andrew Burton wrote:
Over the years my panel labels have been updated with tasteful bits of 
tape and things like Water Heater scrawled next to the switches. Does 
anyone know where I can find the grey stickers that were there 
originally...or if they're even available?

Andy
CC 40
Peregrine
Newport, RI

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Newport, RI
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