Re: Stus-List Fuel tank replacement

2020-05-29 Thread Dennis C. via CnC-List
Moeller has a few tanks with angled fill nozzles.  Whether they have one to
fit your boat, who knows?

There are a couple vendors of tank fittings which may offer solutions:
fillernecksupply.com and tanksinc.com

Dennis C.

On Fri, May 29, 2020 at 10:01 AM Mike Rose via CnC-List <
cnc-list@cnc-list.com> wrote:

> Hi there-
>
> I am looking to upgrade my fuel tank for added capacity. When I purchased
> the boat 20 years ago, I discovered a leaking aluminum tank weeks before
> launch. I located a 16.5 gal.Tempo tank that would easily fit. Now looking
> for a new tank, I have two questions:
> 1-Tempo seems to be gone, what other vendors are available (I prefer
> plastic)?
> 2-Most tanks have a 2" fill neck coupled with the bend radius of 1.5" A2
> fuel hose don't help the situation. What's the best solution to maximize
> tank height?
>
> Thanks,
> Mike Rose
> s/v Shannon Rose
> 1972 C&C 39, Hull #23
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Re: Stus-List Fuel tank replacement

2020-05-29 Thread Bill Coleman via CnC-List
Hello Mike,

 

I replaced my tank with a Kracor 28 gallon, which fit in there nicely.  Used 
the original rubber elbow to go into the fill, a little tight, but do-able.  I 
was trying to find the model# but I can’t find it, can only find info on the 
Kracor Holding tank.

Since Yamaha bought them, the  seem to be more difficult to deal with.  I would 
think Moeller would have something similar.

 

Bill Coleman

Erie PA

 

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Hi there-

 

I am looking to upgrade my fuel tank for added capacity. When I purchased the 
boat 20 years ago, I discovered a leaking aluminum tank weeks before launch. I 
located a 16.5 gal.Tempo tank that would easily fit. Now looking for a new 
tank, I have two questions: 

1-Tempo seems to be gone, what other vendors are available (I prefer plastic)? 

2-Most tanks have a 2" fill neck coupled with the bend radius of 1.5" A2 fuel 
hose don't help the situation. What's the best solution to maximize tank height?

 

Thanks,

Mike Rose

s/v Shannon Rose

1972 C&C 39, Hull #23

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Stus-List Fuel tank replacement

2020-05-29 Thread Mike Rose via CnC-List
Hi there-

I am looking to upgrade my fuel tank for added capacity. When I purchased
the boat 20 years ago, I discovered a leaking aluminum tank weeks before
launch. I located a 16.5 gal.Tempo tank that would easily fit. Now looking
for a new tank, I have two questions:
1-Tempo seems to be gone, what other vendors are available (I prefer
plastic)?
2-Most tanks have a 2" fill neck coupled with the bend radius of 1.5" A2
fuel hose don't help the situation. What's the best solution to maximize
tank height?

Thanks,
Mike Rose
s/v Shannon Rose
1972 C&C 39, Hull #23
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Stus-List Fuel Tank Replacement

2017-09-20 Thread robert via CnC-List

John:

Timely and relevant information from my perspective.   My fuel tank is a 
33 year old aluminum and it has a dedicated fuel return fitting.  I 
looked at the Moeller plastic fuel tanks and decided against it, not for 
the fire safety reason (actually didn't know and/or think about it now 
that you bring it up).  The fittings on the Moeller are all quite 
different from my existing tank.


I called a 'machine shop' here and discussed the fuel tankthey will 
clean, inspect, pressure test, repair, etc. if a repair is needed and 
can be done.  Failing that, they will make me a new tank to the 
identical dimensions and fittings of my existing tank for approx. $400.  
Whether it is the existing tank or new tank, they recommend putting a 
'plastic or similar material' liner on the bottom of the tank where it 
sits on the wooden platform to protect the tank from corrosion.


Either way, I like the idea that when I reinstall a fuel tank, it will 
fit, but more importantly, if it turns out to be a new tank, I will not 
have to adapt the fittings (horizontal infill, fuel line to engine, fuel 
return fitting, etc.)  It may cost more than a new plastic tank, 
however, extra cost is worth the ease of installation for me.


This list is great..really helpful when you don't know, and in this 
case, helpful to confirm your decision(s) were the right one(s) after 
the fact.


Regards

Rob Abbott
AZURA
C&C 32 - 84
Halifax, N.S.



On 2017-09-19 10:32 PM, John and Maryann Read via CnC-List wrote:


Allrighty then – have an alternate perspective on plastic fuel tanks.  
My trusty Yanmar mechanic (years of experience and formerly on their 
advisory group) indicates a plastic tank may create an issue of 
compliance to current regulations on fire safety in an enclosed area 
with an attendant impact on a survey if the boat is sold.  He 
recommends only a new metal tank that can withstand a fire in the 
engine compartment without melting and spilling fuel.  The plastic 
tanks are good for more open applications and should be used in a 
sailboat only if the tank area is separated / isolated from the engine 
area. Further, the Moeller does not have a dedicated fuel return 
fitting which is required for diesels so the only alternative is to 
“tee” into the vent line a less than ideal solution.


On another note, on inspection to remove the tank on a 34 appears to 
be a really tight fit around the engine and water heater.  Has any 34 
owner actually removed their tank and care to share any tidbits of 
advice??


Thoughts from the esteemed group??

John and Maryann

Legacy III

1982 C&C 34

Noank, CT



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Re: Stus-List Fuel Tank Replacement

2017-09-20 Thread William Walker via CnC-List
John,
 On the fuel return, Moeller does have a fuel level sending unit that is an 
option if you need a fuel return.  It has a built in fuel return and is drop in 
replacement for standard fuel sending unit.  I am not affiliated with Moeller.
Bill Walker 
cnc 36

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On Tuesday, September 19, 2017 John and Maryann Read via CnC-List 
 wrote:

Allrighty then – have an alternate perspective on plastic fuel tanks.  My 
trusty Yanmar mechanic (years of experience and formerly on their advisory 
group) indicates a plastic tank may create an issue of compliance to current 
regulations on fire safety in an enclosed area with an attendant impact on a 
survey if the boat is sold.  He recommends only a new metal tank that can 
withstand a fire in the engine compartment without melting and spilling fuel.  
The plastic tanks are good for more open applications and should be used in a 
sailboat only if the tank area is separated / isolated from the engine area.  
Further, the Moeller does not have a dedicated fuel return fitting which is 
required for diesels so the only alternative is to “tee” into the vent line a 
less than ideal solution.

 

On another note, on inspection to remove the tank on a 34 appears to be a 
really tight fit around the engine and water heater.  Has any 34 owner actually 
removed their tank and care to share any tidbits of advice??

 

Thoughts from the esteemed group??

 

 

John and Maryann

Legacy III

1982 C&C 34

Noank, CT

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Re: Stus-List Fuel Tank Replacement

2017-09-20 Thread William Walker via CnC-List
John,
  Moeller tanks meet all USCG regs and ABYC, and more.  Fire retardency is in 
the specs.  Hose and hose clamps are also a place to be careful, as hose 
ratings vary widely and wrong hose can take you out of compliance quickly.
  I am not an expert, but having done some research before recently(in 
progress) replacing my metal tank with a Moeller and using only A1  rated hose 
for all lines including vent, I am comfortable that I am in full compliance and 
am safe
Bill Walker 
CnC  36
Pentwater, Mi

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On Tuesday, September 19, 2017 John and Maryann Read via CnC-List 
 wrote:

Allrighty then – have an alternate perspective on plastic fuel tanks.  My 
trusty Yanmar mechanic (years of experience and formerly on their advisory 
group) indicates a plastic tank may create an issue of compliance to current 
regulations on fire safety in an enclosed area with an attendant impact on a 
survey if the boat is sold.  He recommends only a new metal tank that can 
withstand a fire in the engine compartment without melting and spilling fuel.  
The plastic tanks are good for more open applications and should be used in a 
sailboat only if the tank area is separated / isolated from the engine area.  
Further, the Moeller does not have a dedicated fuel return fitting which is 
required for diesels so the only alternative is to “tee” into the vent line a 
less than ideal solution.

 

On another note, on inspection to remove the tank on a 34 appears to be a 
really tight fit around the engine and water heater.  Has any 34 owner actually 
removed their tank and care to share any tidbits of advice??

 

Thoughts from the esteemed group??

 

 

John and Maryann

Legacy III

1982 C&C 34

Noank, CT

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Re: Stus-List Fuel Tank Replacement

2017-09-19 Thread John and Maryann Read via CnC-List
Allrighty then – have an alternate perspective on plastic fuel tanks.  My 
trusty Yanmar mechanic (years of experience and formerly on their advisory 
group) indicates a plastic tank may create an issue of compliance to current 
regulations on fire safety in an enclosed area with an attendant impact on a 
survey if the boat is sold.  He recommends only a new metal tank that can 
withstand a fire in the engine compartment without melting and spilling fuel.  
The plastic tanks are good for more open applications and should be used in a 
sailboat only if the tank area is separated / isolated from the engine area.  
Further, the Moeller does not have a dedicated fuel return fitting which is 
required for diesels so the only alternative is to “tee” into the vent line a 
less than ideal solution.

 

On another note, on inspection to remove the tank on a 34 appears to be a 
really tight fit around the engine and water heater.  Has any 34 owner actually 
removed their tank and care to share any tidbits of advice??

 

Thoughts from the esteemed group??

 

 

John and Maryann

Legacy III

1982 C&C 34

Noank, CT

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Re: Stus-List Fuel Tank Replacement

2017-09-15 Thread Gary Nylander via CnC-List
I used a small electric rotary pump which the boatyard mechanic uses. Five
gallons at a time, and the boatyard crane which is an old diesel unit will
take anything..

 

Gary

 

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Subject: Stus-List Fuel Tank Replacement

 

Bill:

Just curioushow did you remove the diesel from the old tank?

Rob Abbott
AZURA
C&C 32 - 84
Halifax, N.S.

On 2017-09-14 1:43 PM, William Walker via CnC-List wrote:

Moving ahead on the project. Old tank out.  New ordered and delivered by
Amazon in 2 days..Moeller 19 gallon, 16 x 12 x 26.  90 degree hose and
straight hose connector as I think Dennis mentioned.
Two questions:
First, if I leave at least 2 inches of the 1.5 inch fuel line inlet
connector, can I trim its height if I need to?  It is going to be really
tight to get the 90 degree elbow on.  need to keep the plastic "sawdust" out
of tank somehow.
Second, the old aluminum tank was bonded to the deck filler and the to the
engine block.  Since this is plastic tank should I skip tank and bond deck
filler directly to engine?  What about  the sending unit.
Thanks
Bill Walker 
CnC 36
Pentwater, Michigan

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Re: Stus-List Fuel Tank Replacement

2017-09-15 Thread Edward Levert via CnC-List
I used the brass Jabsco hand pump used for oil changes, exchanging the
small tube for the dipstick with a piece of tubing that fit the input of
the pump. Took about 20 minutes to empty 12 gallons.

Ed Levert
C&C 34 Briar Patch
New Orleans, La.

On Fri, Sep 15, 2017 at 7:11 AM, robert via CnC-List 
wrote:

> Bill:
>
> Just curioushow did you remove the diesel from the old tank?
>
> Rob Abbott
> AZURA
> C&C 32 - 84
> Halifax, N.S.
>
> On 2017-09-14 1:43 PM, William Walker via CnC-List wrote:
>
> Moving ahead on the project. Old tank out.  New ordered and delivered by
> Amazon in 2 days..Moeller 19 gallon, 16 x 12 x 26.  90 degree hose and
> straight hose connector as I think Dennis mentioned.
> Two questions:
> First, if I leave at least 2 inches of the 1.5 inch fuel line inlet
> connector, can I trim its height if I need to?  It is going to be really
> tight to get the 90 degree elbow on.  need to keep the plastic "sawdust"
> out of tank somehow.
> Second, the old aluminum tank was bonded to the deck filler and the to the
> engine block.  Since this is plastic tank should I skip tank and bond deck
> filler directly to engine?  What about  the sending unit.
> Thanks
> Bill Walker
> CnC 36
> Pentwater, Michigan
>
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Stus-List Fuel Tank Replacement

2017-09-15 Thread robert via CnC-List

Bill:

Just curioushow did you remove the diesel from the old tank?

Rob Abbott
AZURA
C&C 32 - 84
Halifax, N.S.

On 2017-09-14 1:43 PM, William Walker via CnC-List wrote:


Moving ahead on the project. Old tank out.  New ordered and delivered 
by Amazon in 2 days..Moeller 19 gallon, 16 x 12 x 26.  90 degree hose 
and straight hose connector as I think Dennis mentioned.

Two questions:
First, if I leave at least 2 inches of the 1.5 inch fuel line inlet 
connector, can I trim its height if I need to?  It is going to be 
really tight to get the 90 degree elbow on.  need to keep the plastic 
"sawdust" out of tank somehow.
Second, the old aluminum tank was bonded to the deck filler and the to 
the engine block.  Since this is plastic tank should I skip tank and 
bond deck filler directly to engine?  What about the sending unit.

Thanks
Bill Walker
CnC 36
Pentwater, Michigan

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Re: Stus-List Fuel Tank Replacement

2017-09-14 Thread William Walker via CnC-List
John,
  I don't think so...my old tank had vent verticle..i got a 90* elbow for 
inlet...i have about 17" and tank is 12" plus the connections.
Bill Walker 
CnC 36

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Hi Bill

 

I am also planning to replace our tank.  The Moeller tank looks like the vent 
and outlet vertically oriented fittings which makes fitting under the cockpit 
sole a tight affair.  Can the tank be ordered with these fittings on a 90 
degree el fitting??

 

John and Maryann

Legacy III

1982 C&C 34

Noank, CT

 

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Subject: Stus-List Fuel Tank Replacement

 

Moving ahead on the project. Old tank out.  New ordered and delivered by Amazon 
in 2 days..Moeller 19 gallon, 16 x 12 x 26.  90 degree hose and straight hose 
connector as I think Dennis mentioned.
Two questions:
First, if I leave at least 2 inches of the 1.5 inch fuel line inlet connector, 
can I trim its height if I need to?  It is going to be really tight to get the 
90 degree elbow on.  need to keep the plastic "sawdust" out of tank somehow.
Second, the old aluminum tank was bonded to the deck filler and the to the 
engine block.  Since this is plastic tank should I skip tank and bond deck 
filler directly to engine?  What about  the sending unit.
Thanks
Bill Walker 
CnC 36
Pentwater, Michigan

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Re: Stus-List Fuel Tank Replacement

2017-09-14 Thread John and Maryann Read via CnC-List
Hi Bill

 

I am also planning to replace our tank.  The Moeller tank looks like the vent 
and outlet vertically oriented fittings which makes fitting under the cockpit 
sole a tight affair.  Can the tank be ordered with these fittings on a 90 
degree el fitting??

 

John and Maryann

Legacy III

1982 C&C 34

Noank, CT

 

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Subject: Stus-List Fuel Tank Replacement

 

Moving ahead on the project. Old tank out.  New ordered and delivered by Amazon 
in 2 days..Moeller 19 gallon, 16 x 12 x 26.  90 degree hose and straight hose 
connector as I think Dennis mentioned.
Two questions:
First, if I leave at least 2 inches of the 1.5 inch fuel line inlet connector, 
can I trim its height if I need to?  It is going to be really tight to get the 
90 degree elbow on.  need to keep the plastic "sawdust" out of tank somehow.
Second, the old aluminum tank was bonded to the deck filler and the to the 
engine block.  Since this is plastic tank should I skip tank and bond deck 
filler directly to engine?  What about  the sending unit.
Thanks
Bill Walker 
CnC 36
Pentwater, Michigan

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Re: Stus-List Fuel Tank Replacement

2017-09-14 Thread William Walker via CnC-List
Thanks Joe.  I thought of trimming tank upside down after I posted.  Good 
suggestion. 
I am not sure about the ground going to the fuel gauge.  I thought the purpose 
of this ground was static electricity dissipation from tank and metallic filler 
intake from the fuel nozzle and fueling.  The sender will need to ground and 
could be tied together I guess with this...but I am unclear.  Wanted to be sure 
that tank is properly grounded if needed..Plastic?
Instructions from Moeller don't say anything about this I can find.  
Thanks again.
Bill Walker 
CnC 36

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You will need to trim the 90 degree rubber hose to have one side only long 
enough to go onto the tank to clear. If the tank inlet itself needs trimming, I 
would do it upside down and then shop-vac the tank. The grounding connections 
will now go to the ground part of the fuel gauge connection.

 

Joe

Coquina

 

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Moving ahead on the project. Old tank out.  New ordered and delivered by Amazon 
in 2 days..Moeller 19 gallon, 16 x 12 x 26.  90 degree hose and straight hose 
connector as I think Dennis mentioned.
Two questions:
First, if I leave at least 2 inches of the 1.5 inch fuel line inlet connector, 
can I trim its height if I need to?  It is going to be really tight to get the 
90 degree elbow on.  need to keep the plastic "sawdust" out of tank somehow.
Second, the old aluminum tank was bonded to the deck filler and the to the 
engine block.  Since this is plastic tank should I skip tank and bond deck 
filler directly to engine?  What about  the sending unit.
Thanks
Bill Walker 
CnC 36
Pentwater, Michigan

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Re: Stus-List Fuel Tank Replacement

2017-09-14 Thread Della Barba, Joe via CnC-List
You will need to trim the 90 degree rubber hose to have one side only long 
enough to go onto the tank to clear. If the tank inlet itself needs trimming, I 
would do it upside down and then shop-vac the tank. The grounding connections 
will now go to the ground part of the fuel gauge connection.

Joe
Coquina

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Moving ahead on the project. Old tank out.  New ordered and delivered by Amazon 
in 2 days..Moeller 19 gallon, 16 x 12 x 26.  90 degree hose and straight hose 
connector as I think Dennis mentioned.
Two questions:
First, if I leave at least 2 inches of the 1.5 inch fuel line inlet connector, 
can I trim its height if I need to?  It is going to be really tight to get the 
90 degree elbow on.  need to keep the plastic "sawdust" out of tank somehow.
Second, the old aluminum tank was bonded to the deck filler and the to the 
engine block.  Since this is plastic tank should I skip tank and bond deck 
filler directly to engine?  What about  the sending unit.
Thanks
Bill Walker
CnC 36
Pentwater, Michigan

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Stus-List Fuel Tank Replacement

2017-09-14 Thread William Walker via CnC-List
Moving ahead on the project. Old tank out.  New ordered and delivered by Amazon 
in 2 days..Moeller 19 gallon, 16 x 12 x 26.  90 degree hose and straight hose 
connector as I think Dennis mentioned.
Two questions:
First, if I leave at least 2 inches of the 1.5 inch fuel line inlet connector, 
can I trim its height if I need to?  It is going to be really tight to get the 
90 degree elbow on.  need to keep the plastic "sawdust" out of tank somehow.
Second, the old aluminum tank was bonded to the deck filler and the to the 
engine block.  Since this is plastic tank should I skip tank and bond deck 
filler directly to engine?  What about  the sending unit.
Thanks
Bill Walker 
CnC 36
Pentwater, Michigan



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Re: Stus-List Fuel tank replacement

2017-09-12 Thread Bill Dakin via CnC-List
I scoped the fuel tank inside (after pumping out old fuel) and outside with
an automotive inspection unit with LED light before putting Tapestry into
service.  The exterior was pristine and the interior without pitting.  I
would do the same prior to replacement, or without access to a scope,
obtain a replacement.

Bill Dakin
S/V Tapestry
25MKII
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Re: Stus-List Fuel tank replacement

2017-09-12 Thread Rick Brass via CnC-List
Ditto.  Aluminum on damp plywood with no airflow is ad undesirable
situation.

Rick Brass
Washington, NC



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The bottom of my tank had a bunch of pin holes in the flat part. The seams
were fine.
Gary



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Re: Stus-List Fuel tank replacement

2017-09-12 Thread Della Barba, Joe via CnC-List
My aluminum tank sits on drydek panels and that sits on a starboard shelf. If 
you let aluminum sit on wet wood, it WILL corrode.
Could be worse - our original ternplate tank, after providing rust to clog 
things up, let go for good one night and dumped a full tank of gasoline into 
the bilge. My brother woke up ankle-deep in gas! 

Joe
Coquina
C&C 35 MK I

-Original Message-
From: CnC-List [mailto:cnc-list-boun...@cnc-list.com] On Behalf Of Gary 
Nylander via CnC-List
Sent: Tuesday, September 12, 2017 9:56 AM
To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com
Cc: Gary Nylander 
Subject: Re: Stus-List Fuel tank replacement

The bottom of my tank had a bunch of pin holes in the flat part. The seams were 
fine.
Gary

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CnC-List
Sent: Tuesday, September 12, 2017 9:26 AM
To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com
Cc: robert 
Subject: Stus-List Fuel tank replacement

I have been talking to boat owners at our club about these decades old aluminum 
fuel tanks many of us C&C'ers have.a few have had the tanks leak (or weep) 
as they call it.  The leak(s) were not caused by the
bottom(s) rusting (as aluminum does not rust, it corrodes) ..the leaks were 
caused by stress cracks in the weld joints.

Two members took their tanks out for examination and found the leaks in the 
weld joint(s)took the tank(s) to a metal fabrication shop and had them 
repaired..actually had the weld joints reinforced and put the tanks back 
in.  One member did it 10 years ago and the tank is still in his boat with no 
problems.

I am leaning now in this direction.probably won't save me any money but 
that is not as important as getting a new tank installed with potentially new 
fittings, adapters, elbows, etc, etc.  Getting a fuel tank in and out of the 
engine compartment is not like working on the 'work bench'.

FYI

> Rob Abbott
> AZURA
> C&C 32 - 84
> Halifax, N.S.
>
>


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Re: Stus-List Fuel tank replacement

2017-09-12 Thread Gary Nylander via CnC-List
The bottom of my tank had a bunch of pin holes in the flat part. The seams
were fine.
Gary

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via CnC-List
Sent: Tuesday, September 12, 2017 9:26 AM
To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com
Cc: robert 
Subject: Stus-List Fuel tank replacement

I have been talking to boat owners at our club about these decades old
aluminum fuel tanks many of us C&C'ers have.a few have had the tanks
leak (or weep) as they call it.  The leak(s) were not caused by the
bottom(s) rusting (as aluminum does not rust, it corrodes) ..the leaks
were caused by stress cracks in the weld joints.

Two members took their tanks out for examination and found the leaks in the
weld joint(s)took the tank(s) to a metal fabrication shop and had them
repaired..actually had the weld joints reinforced and put the tanks back
in.  One member did it 10 years ago and the tank is still in his boat with
no problems.

I am leaning now in this direction.probably won't save me any money but
that is not as important as getting a new tank installed with potentially
new fittings, adapters, elbows, etc, etc.  Getting a fuel tank in and out of
the engine compartment is not like working on the 'work bench'.

FYI

> Rob Abbott
> AZURA
> C&C 32 - 84
> Halifax, N.S.
>
>


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Stus-List Fuel tank replacement

2017-09-12 Thread robert via CnC-List
I have been talking to boat owners at our club about these decades old 
aluminum fuel tanks many of us C&C'ers have.a few have had the tanks 
leak (or weep) as they call it.  The leak(s) were not caused by the 
bottom(s) rusting (as aluminum does not rust, it corrodes) ..the 
leaks were caused by stress cracks in the weld joints.


Two members took their tanks out for examination and found the leaks in 
the weld joint(s)took the tank(s) to a metal fabrication shop and 
had them repaired..actually had the weld joints reinforced and put 
the tanks back in.  One member did it 10 years ago and the tank is still 
in his boat with no problems.


I am leaning now in this direction.probably won't save me any money 
but that is not as important as getting a new tank installed with 
potentially new fittings, adapters, elbows, etc, etc.  Getting a fuel 
tank in and out of the engine compartment is not like working on the 
'work bench'.


FYI


Rob Abbott
AZURA
C&C 32 - 84
Halifax, N.S.





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Re: Stus-List Fuel tank replacement

2017-09-11 Thread Dennis C. via CnC-List
Yep, cut that elbow to fit and use a coupler to connect to the fill hose.
See this:

http://www.fillernecksupply.com/1-1-2-or-38mm-fuel-hose-joiner-coupler-splice/

Dennis C.

On Mon, Sep 11, 2017 at 8:38 AM, Della Barba, Joe via CnC-List <
cnc-list@cnc-list.com> wrote:

> http://www.fillernecksupply.com/gates-1-1-2-90-degree-
> fuel-filler-elbow-gates-24715-goodyear-59205/
>
>
>
> Wow – I could have saved about $100 if I knew about this! That would be
> perfect for the 35, just need a hose-to-hose for the 1/5” fill.
>
>
>
>
>
> Joe Della Barba
>
> Coquina
>
> C&C 35 MK I
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> *From:* CnC-List [mailto:cnc-list-boun...@cnc-list.com] *On Behalf Of *Dennis
> C. via CnC-List
> *Sent:* Sunday, September 10, 2017 5:08 PM
> *To:* CnClist 
> *Cc:* Dennis C. 
> *Subject:* Re: Stus-List Fuel tank replacement
>
>
>
> Probably this site:
>
>
>
> http://www.fillernecksupply.com/fuel-hose-elbows/?sort=featured&page=1
>
>
>
> Gates makes cut to fit hose elbows.
>
>
>
> Dennis C.
>
>
>
> On Sun, Sep 10, 2017 at 3:53 PM, Gary Nylander via CnC-List <
> cnc-list@cnc-list.com> wrote:
>
> Look at the Moeller web site, they have a huge collection of tanks. I seem
> to remember there is one which had an angled in fill on a corner which was
> a
> little big for my boat, but may fit yours.
>
> There is also a site called "fuel hoses" or similar with all sorts of
> fittings including elbows - it may be "fuel hose elbows".  Google gave it
> to
> me. As they are the same size as the hose, you need a little nipple.
>
> Gary
> .
>
> -Original Message-
> From: CnC-List [mailto:cnc-list-boun...@cnc-list.com] On Behalf Of robert
> via CnC-List
> Sent: Sunday, September 10, 2017 3:03 PM
> To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com
> Cc: robert 
> Subject: Stus-List Fuel tank replacement
>
> I just measured my fuel tank.27" wide, 16" deep, 12" height+7"
> top clearance to the cockpit solenot the easiest to access to remove
> it but doable with some four letter words and beers.   Need to ensure
> the in fill on the tank has a 90 deg. intake to make connecting the in hose
> easy, maybe simply doable!
>
> I like the idea of the Moeller tanks that are transparent.not just to
> determine the fuel level but possibly seeing anything in the tank.
> Someone here , maybe Dennis, earlier gave me a Moeller 19 gallon part
> #.   The hunt is now on.
>
> The position Bill is in now is just the position I stated the other day I
> did not want to be inreplaced the fuel tank because it is now, or near
> now, that the tank will need to be replaced.
>
> Good luck to you Billlet us know how you fair out.what tank you
> acquire.
>
> Rob Abbott
> AZURA
> C&C 32 - 84
> Halifax, N.S.
>
>
>
> On 2017-09-10 9:40 AM, William Walker via CnC-List wrote:
> >
> > All this talk about leaking tanks caused mine to spring a leak on
> > Fridayreally.
> > Wish the access on my 36 was as good as others seem to have. Espar
> > furnace and refrigeration complicate things for me.Dei Dennis, what
> > tank do you recommend?  Good website for fitting install in plastic?
> > Or do the come ready to go?
> > Bill Walker CnC 36
> > Penteater, Mi
> >
> > Sent from AOL Mobile Mail
> >
> >
>
>
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Re: Stus-List Fuel tank replacement

2017-09-11 Thread Della Barba, Joe via CnC-List
Got that too:
http://www.fillernecksupply.com/1-1-2-or-38mm-fuel-hose-joiner-coupler-splice/



From: CnC-List [mailto:cnc-list-boun...@cnc-list.com] On Behalf Of Della Barba, 
Joe via CnC-List
Sent: Monday, September 11, 2017 9:39 AM
To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com
Cc: Della Barba, Joe 
Subject: Re: Stus-List Fuel tank replacement

http://www.fillernecksupply.com/gates-1-1-2-90-degree-fuel-filler-elbow-gates-24715-goodyear-59205/

Wow – I could have saved about $100 if I knew about this! That would be perfect 
for the 35, just need a hose-to-hose for the 1/5” fill.


Joe Della Barba
Coquina
C&C 35 MK I



From: CnC-List [mailto:cnc-list-boun...@cnc-list.com] On Behalf Of Dennis C. 
via CnC-List
Sent: Sunday, September 10, 2017 5:08 PM
To: CnClist mailto:cnc-list@cnc-list.com>>
Cc: Dennis C. mailto:capt...@gmail.com>>
Subject: Re: Stus-List Fuel tank replacement

Probably this site:

http://www.fillernecksupply.com/fuel-hose-elbows/?sort=featured&page=1

Gates makes cut to fit hose elbows.

Dennis C.

On Sun, Sep 10, 2017 at 3:53 PM, Gary Nylander via CnC-List 
mailto:cnc-list@cnc-list.com>> wrote:
Look at the Moeller web site, they have a huge collection of tanks. I seem
to remember there is one which had an angled in fill on a corner which was a
little big for my boat, but may fit yours.

There is also a site called "fuel hoses" or similar with all sorts of
fittings including elbows - it may be "fuel hose elbows".  Google gave it to
me. As they are the same size as the hose, you need a little nipple.

Gary
.
-Original Message-
From: CnC-List 
[mailto:cnc-list-boun...@cnc-list.com<mailto:cnc-list-boun...@cnc-list.com>] On 
Behalf Of robert
via CnC-List
Sent: Sunday, September 10, 2017 3:03 PM
To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com<mailto:cnc-list@cnc-list.com>
Cc: robert mailto:robertabb...@eastlink.ca>>
Subject: Stus-List Fuel tank replacement

I just measured my fuel tank.27" wide, 16" deep, 12" height+7"
top clearance to the cockpit solenot the easiest to access to remove
it but doable with some four letter words and beers.   Need to ensure
the in fill on the tank has a 90 deg. intake to make connecting the in hose
easy, maybe simply doable!

I like the idea of the Moeller tanks that are transparent.not just to
determine the fuel level but possibly seeing anything in the tank.
Someone here , maybe Dennis, earlier gave me a Moeller 19 gallon part
#.   The hunt is now on.

The position Bill is in now is just the position I stated the other day I
did not want to be inreplaced the fuel tank because it is now, or near
now, that the tank will need to be replaced.

Good luck to you Billlet us know how you fair out.what tank you
acquire.

Rob Abbott
AZURA
C&C 32 - 84
Halifax, N.S.



On 2017-09-10 9:40 AM, William Walker via CnC-List wrote:
>
> All this talk about leaking tanks caused mine to spring a leak on
> Fridayreally.
> Wish the access on my 36 was as good as others seem to have. Espar
> furnace and refrigeration complicate things for me.Dei Dennis, what
> tank do you recommend?  Good website for fitting install in plastic?
> Or do the come ready to go?
> Bill Walker CnC 36
> Penteater, Mi
>
> Sent from AOL Mobile Mail
>
>


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Re: Stus-List Fuel tank replacement

2017-09-11 Thread Della Barba, Joe via CnC-List
http://www.fillernecksupply.com/gates-1-1-2-90-degree-fuel-filler-elbow-gates-24715-goodyear-59205/

Wow – I could have saved about $100 if I knew about this! That would be perfect 
for the 35, just need a hose-to-hose for the 1/5” fill.


Joe Della Barba
Coquina
C&C 35 MK I



From: CnC-List [mailto:cnc-list-boun...@cnc-list.com] On Behalf Of Dennis C. 
via CnC-List
Sent: Sunday, September 10, 2017 5:08 PM
To: CnClist 
Cc: Dennis C. 
Subject: Re: Stus-List Fuel tank replacement

Probably this site:

http://www.fillernecksupply.com/fuel-hose-elbows/?sort=featured&page=1

Gates makes cut to fit hose elbows.

Dennis C.

On Sun, Sep 10, 2017 at 3:53 PM, Gary Nylander via CnC-List 
mailto:cnc-list@cnc-list.com>> wrote:
Look at the Moeller web site, they have a huge collection of tanks. I seem
to remember there is one which had an angled in fill on a corner which was a
little big for my boat, but may fit yours.

There is also a site called "fuel hoses" or similar with all sorts of
fittings including elbows - it may be "fuel hose elbows".  Google gave it to
me. As they are the same size as the hose, you need a little nipple.

Gary
.
-Original Message-
From: CnC-List 
[mailto:cnc-list-boun...@cnc-list.com<mailto:cnc-list-boun...@cnc-list.com>] On 
Behalf Of robert
via CnC-List
Sent: Sunday, September 10, 2017 3:03 PM
To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com<mailto:cnc-list@cnc-list.com>
Cc: robert mailto:robertabb...@eastlink.ca>>
Subject: Stus-List Fuel tank replacement

I just measured my fuel tank.27" wide, 16" deep, 12" height+7"
top clearance to the cockpit solenot the easiest to access to remove
it but doable with some four letter words and beers.   Need to ensure
the in fill on the tank has a 90 deg. intake to make connecting the in hose
easy, maybe simply doable!

I like the idea of the Moeller tanks that are transparent.not just to
determine the fuel level but possibly seeing anything in the tank.
Someone here , maybe Dennis, earlier gave me a Moeller 19 gallon part
#.   The hunt is now on.

The position Bill is in now is just the position I stated the other day I
did not want to be inreplaced the fuel tank because it is now, or near
now, that the tank will need to be replaced.

Good luck to you Billlet us know how you fair out.what tank you
acquire.

Rob Abbott
AZURA
C&C 32 - 84
Halifax, N.S.



On 2017-09-10 9:40 AM, William Walker via CnC-List wrote:
>
> All this talk about leaking tanks caused mine to spring a leak on
> Fridayreally.
> Wish the access on my 36 was as good as others seem to have. Espar
> furnace and refrigeration complicate things for me.Dei Dennis, what
> tank do you recommend?  Good website for fitting install in plastic?
> Or do the come ready to go?
> Bill Walker CnC 36
> Penteater, Mi
>
> Sent from AOL Mobile Mail
>
>


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Re: Stus-List Fuel tank replacement

2017-09-10 Thread David Kaseler via CnC-List
Lots of folks have been talking about fuel tank fill and advising a 90 degree 
intake for simpler hose attachment. 
SLY has two fuel tanks, one plastic under the cockpit where the original 
aluminum one was with a straight vertical intake hose connection, plus another 
stainless tank forward under the settee on the starboard side where the settee 
forms an L next to the stove.  This one has a 90 degree intake configuration.
If I need to remove fuel from the after tank it is easy to temporarily remove 
the filler hose from the tank, lead a siphon hose down from the deck fitting 
into the tank and reconnect the filler hose. I'm unable to get the siphon hose 
past the flange on the plastic tank without temporarily removing the filler 
hose but that's not a big deal. 
If I need to remove fuel from the forward tank with the 90 degree intake it 
becomes much more difficult. The siphon hose does not want to go around the 
corner formed by the 90 degree intake. I'm able to force it around the corner 
but it always scrapes some the rubber from the siphon hose and deposits it into 
the tank. So far this has not caused a problem but it sure could if these 
scrapings were sucked up into the pickup tube.
So, something else to think about.
Regards, 
Dave. Kaseler
SLY 1975 C&C 33

Sent from my iPad

> On Sep 10, 2017, at 12:03 PM, robert via CnC-List  
> wrote:
> 
> I just measured my fuel tank.27" wide, 16" deep, 12" height+7" top 
> clearance to the cockpit solenot the easiest to access to remove it but 
> doable with some four letter words and beers.   Need to ensure the in fill on 
> the tank has a 90 deg. intake to make connecting the in hose easy, maybe 
> simply doable!
> 
> I like the idea of the Moeller tanks that are transparent.not just to 
> determine the fuel level but possibly seeing anything in the tank.  Someone 
> here , maybe Dennis, earlier gave me a Moeller 19 gallon part #.   The hunt 
> is now on.
> 
> The position Bill is in now is just the position I stated the other day I did 
> not want to be inreplaced the fuel tank because it is now, or near now, 
> that the tank will need to be replaced.
> 
> Good luck to you Billlet us know how you fair out.what tank you 
> acquire.
> 
> Rob Abbott
> AZURA
> C&C 32 - 84
> Halifax, N.S.
> 
> 
> 
>> On 2017-09-10 9:40 AM, William Walker via CnC-List wrote:
>> 
>> All this talk about leaking tanks caused mine to spring a leak on 
>> Fridayreally.
>> Wish the access on my 36 was as good as others seem to have. Espar furnace 
>> and refrigeration complicate things for me.Dei
>> Dennis, what tank do you recommend?  Good website for fitting install in 
>> plastic?  Or do the come ready to go?
>> Bill Walker CnC 36
>> Penteater, Mi
>> 
>> Sent from AOL Mobile Mail
>> 
>> 
> 
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Re: Stus-List Fuel tank replacement

2017-09-10 Thread John and Maryann Read via CnC-List
Yup we now have our winter project - replace the 35 year old tank before it
gives up the ghost.  Measured ours and is exactly same as Robert's.  Keep us
all posted on what you find

John and Maryann
Legacy III
1982 C&C 34
Noank, CT
-Original Message-
From: CnC-List [mailto:cnc-list-boun...@cnc-list.com] On Behalf Of robert
via CnC-List
Sent: Sunday, September 10, 2017 3:03 PM
To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com
Cc: robert
Subject: Stus-List Fuel tank replacement

I just measured my fuel tank.27" wide, 16" deep, 12" height+7" 
top clearance to the cockpit solenot the easiest to access to remove 
it but doable with some four letter words and beers.   Need to ensure 
the in fill on the tank has a 90 deg. intake to make connecting the in hose
easy, maybe simply doable!

I like the idea of the Moeller tanks that are transparent.not just to
determine the fuel level but possibly seeing anything in the tank.  
Someone here , maybe Dennis, earlier gave me a Moeller 19 gallon part 
#.   The hunt is now on.

The position Bill is in now is just the position I stated the other day I
did not want to be inreplaced the fuel tank because it is now, or near
now, that the tank will need to be replaced.

Good luck to you Billlet us know how you fair out.what tank you
acquire.

Rob Abbott
AZURA
C&C 32 - 84
Halifax, N.S.



On 2017-09-10 9:40 AM, William Walker via CnC-List wrote:
>
> All this talk about leaking tanks caused mine to spring a leak on 
> Fridayreally.
> Wish the access on my 36 was as good as others seem to have. Espar 
> furnace and refrigeration complicate things for me.Dei Dennis, what 
> tank do you recommend?  Good website for fitting install in plastic?  
> Or do the come ready to go?
> Bill Walker CnC 36
> Penteater, Mi
>
> Sent from AOL Mobile Mail
>
>


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Re: Stus-List Fuel tank replacement

2017-09-10 Thread Dennis C. via CnC-List
Probably this site:

http://www.fillernecksupply.com/fuel-hose-elbows/?sort=featured&page=1

Gates makes cut to fit hose elbows.

Dennis C.

On Sun, Sep 10, 2017 at 3:53 PM, Gary Nylander via CnC-List <
cnc-list@cnc-list.com> wrote:

> Look at the Moeller web site, they have a huge collection of tanks. I seem
> to remember there is one which had an angled in fill on a corner which was
> a
> little big for my boat, but may fit yours.
>
> There is also a site called "fuel hoses" or similar with all sorts of
> fittings including elbows - it may be "fuel hose elbows".  Google gave it
> to
> me. As they are the same size as the hose, you need a little nipple.
>
> Gary
> .
> -Original Message-
> From: CnC-List [mailto:cnc-list-boun...@cnc-list.com] On Behalf Of robert
> via CnC-List
> Sent: Sunday, September 10, 2017 3:03 PM
> To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com
> Cc: robert 
> Subject: Stus-List Fuel tank replacement
>
> I just measured my fuel tank.27" wide, 16" deep, 12" height+7"
> top clearance to the cockpit solenot the easiest to access to remove
> it but doable with some four letter words and beers.   Need to ensure
> the in fill on the tank has a 90 deg. intake to make connecting the in hose
> easy, maybe simply doable!
>
> I like the idea of the Moeller tanks that are transparent.not just to
> determine the fuel level but possibly seeing anything in the tank.
> Someone here , maybe Dennis, earlier gave me a Moeller 19 gallon part
> #.   The hunt is now on.
>
> The position Bill is in now is just the position I stated the other day I
> did not want to be inreplaced the fuel tank because it is now, or near
> now, that the tank will need to be replaced.
>
> Good luck to you Billlet us know how you fair out.what tank you
> acquire.
>
> Rob Abbott
> AZURA
> C&C 32 - 84
> Halifax, N.S.
>
>
>
> On 2017-09-10 9:40 AM, William Walker via CnC-List wrote:
> >
> > All this talk about leaking tanks caused mine to spring a leak on
> > Fridayreally.
> > Wish the access on my 36 was as good as others seem to have. Espar
> > furnace and refrigeration complicate things for me.Dei Dennis, what
> > tank do you recommend?  Good website for fitting install in plastic?
> > Or do the come ready to go?
> > Bill Walker CnC 36
> > Penteater, Mi
> >
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Re: Stus-List Fuel tank replacement

2017-09-10 Thread Gary Nylander via CnC-List
Look at the Moeller web site, they have a huge collection of tanks. I seem
to remember there is one which had an angled in fill on a corner which was a
little big for my boat, but may fit yours.

There is also a site called "fuel hoses" or similar with all sorts of
fittings including elbows - it may be "fuel hose elbows".  Google gave it to
me. As they are the same size as the hose, you need a little nipple.

Gary
.
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Cc: robert 
Subject: Stus-List Fuel tank replacement

I just measured my fuel tank.27" wide, 16" deep, 12" height+7" 
top clearance to the cockpit solenot the easiest to access to remove 
it but doable with some four letter words and beers.   Need to ensure 
the in fill on the tank has a 90 deg. intake to make connecting the in hose
easy, maybe simply doable!

I like the idea of the Moeller tanks that are transparent.not just to
determine the fuel level but possibly seeing anything in the tank.  
Someone here , maybe Dennis, earlier gave me a Moeller 19 gallon part 
#.   The hunt is now on.

The position Bill is in now is just the position I stated the other day I
did not want to be inreplaced the fuel tank because it is now, or near
now, that the tank will need to be replaced.

Good luck to you Billlet us know how you fair out.what tank you
acquire.

Rob Abbott
AZURA
C&C 32 - 84
Halifax, N.S.



On 2017-09-10 9:40 AM, William Walker via CnC-List wrote:
>
> All this talk about leaking tanks caused mine to spring a leak on 
> Fridayreally.
> Wish the access on my 36 was as good as others seem to have. Espar 
> furnace and refrigeration complicate things for me.Dei Dennis, what 
> tank do you recommend?  Good website for fitting install in plastic?  
> Or do the come ready to go?
> Bill Walker CnC 36
> Penteater, Mi
>
> Sent from AOL Mobile Mail
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Stus-List Fuel tank replacement

2017-09-10 Thread robert via CnC-List

Dennis:

I looked at the Moeller 19 gal. ( 032597)..the fitting for the in 
fill hose and the vent hose are nothing like I have now.my in fill 
hose is approx. 2" .are there special adapters needed.


I can send you a few pictures of my existing tank configuration off line 
so you can understand.


Rob

On 2017-09-10 9:47 AM, Dennis C. via CnC-List wrote:
I have a Plastimo (black) but would rather have a Moeller 
(translucent) because you can see the fuel level.  Not sure about your 
configuration but you should be able to find a close fit.


http://moellermarine.com/product-category/fuel-containment/permanent-fuel-tanks/

Determine which model best fits then go online shopping using the 
model number.


Dennis C.



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Stus-List Fuel tank replacement

2017-09-10 Thread robert via CnC-List
I just measured my fuel tank.27" wide, 16" deep, 12" height+7" 
top clearance to the cockpit solenot the easiest to access to remove 
it but doable with some four letter words and beers.   Need to ensure 
the in fill on the tank has a 90 deg. intake to make connecting the in 
hose easy, maybe simply doable!


I like the idea of the Moeller tanks that are transparent.not just 
to determine the fuel level but possibly seeing anything in the tank.  
Someone here , maybe Dennis, earlier gave me a Moeller 19 gallon part 
#.   The hunt is now on.


The position Bill is in now is just the position I stated the other day 
I did not want to be inreplaced the fuel tank because it is now, or 
near now, that the tank will need to be replaced.


Good luck to you Billlet us know how you fair out.what tank you 
acquire.


Rob Abbott
AZURA
C&C 32 - 84
Halifax, N.S.



On 2017-09-10 9:40 AM, William Walker via CnC-List wrote:


All this talk about leaking tanks caused mine to spring a leak on 
Fridayreally.
Wish the access on my 36 was as good as others seem to have. Espar 
furnace and refrigeration complicate things for me.Dei
Dennis, what tank do you recommend?  Good website for fitting install 
in plastic?  Or do the come ready to go?

Bill Walker CnC 36
Penteater, Mi

Sent from AOL Mobile Mail





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Re: Stus-List Fuel tank replacement 35-1

2017-09-10 Thread Joe Della Barba via CnC-List
I have replaced my fuel tank. It is pretty easy, it comes right out once you 
empty all the stuff out of the locker.
WARNING: 

The original fuel tank in the MK I is ternplate and it WILL leak sooner or 
later.

The original fill and vent hoses are NOT ethanol rated and will dissolve from 
the inside out, dropping rubber pieces into the tank.

The 90 degree rubber elbow thing is NOT fuel rated and will come apart sooner 
or later. Mine spilt while fueling and dumped 5 gallons into the bilge. I got a 
new one fabricated from aluminum at my local welding shop.

A C&C 35 MK I exploded and burned after refueling and I will bet anything it 
was the rubber elbow. I would have too if I hadn’t caught it with the blower.

The supply hose is likewise not ethanol rated. If you still have copper line, 
that is no longer used, it eventually cracks.

Really nothing but the filler should be original and I got a new cap for that 
because the old O-ring was not sealing.

 

I think my tank now is this one – been awhile since I bought it.

https://www.westmarine.com/buy/rds-manufacturing--below-deck-aluminum-fuel-tank-18ga--244485?recordNum=2

 

Joe Della Barba

j...@dellabarba.com <mailto:j...@dellabarba.com> 

 

Coquina

C&C 35 MK i

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Sent: Sunday, September 10, 2017 8:47 AM
To: CnClist 
Cc: Dennis C. 
Subject: Re: Stus-List Fuel tank replacement 35-1

 

I have a Plastimo (black) but would rather have a Moeller (translucent) because 
you can see the fuel level.  Not sure about your configuration but you should 
be able to find a close fit.

 

http://moellermarine.com/product-category/fuel-containment/permanent-fuel-tanks/

 

Determine which model best fits then go online shopping using the model number.

 

Dennis C.

 

On Sun, Sep 10, 2017 at 7:40 AM, William Walker via CnC-List 
mailto:cnc-list@cnc-list.com> > wrote:

All this talk about leaking tanks caused mine to spring a leak on 
Fridayreally.
Wish the access on my 36 was as good as others seem to have.  Espar furnace and 
refrigeration complicate things for me.
Dennis, what tank do you recommend?  Good website for fitting install in 
plastic?  Or do the come ready to go?
Bill Walker CnC 36
Penteater, Mi

Sent from AOL Mobile Mail

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On Saturday, September 9, 2017 Dennis C. via CnC-List mailto:cnc-list@cnc-list.com> > wrote:

Like Neil says, removing the tank is not difficult.  Last time I pulled mine 
took less than an hour.  I needed to get to the strut bolts.

 

The concern is the elbow on the fill hose.  If you damage it, replacement may 
be difficult.  Gates makes an elbow that can be cut to fit but you may need a 
coupling or nipple to make it work.

 

If your fill hose is original, I STRONGLY suggest you replace it.  It is well 
past its useful life.

 

Dennis C.

Touche' 35-1 #83

Mandeville, LA

 

On Sat, Sep 9, 2017 at 8:42 PM, Neil Gallagher via CnC-List 
mailto:cnc-list@cnc-list.com> > wrote:

Hervey,

Getting it out was not too difficult,  the tank fits out through the lazarette 
under the starboard seat.  My tank was held in place by two galvanized steel 
straps, corrosion from which caused the leak. Hardest part was undoing the fill 
and vent connections, had to get to them through the panel at the aft end of 
the port quarter berth. 

As someone mentioned in a recent post, getting the fill hose back on was a 
pain.  If I recall there's an elbow just off the tank connection, little bit of 
a struggle to make it tight.  I used fabric straps to hold the new plastic tank 
down.  My tank gauge has never worked so I just look through the wall of the 
tank to see the level.

 


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Re: Stus-List Fuel tank replacement 35-1

2017-09-10 Thread William Walker via CnC-List
Thanks Dennis...
Bill Walker 




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Re: Stus-List Fuel tank replacement 35-1

2017-09-10 Thread Dennis C. via CnC-List
I have a Plastimo (black) but would rather have a Moeller (translucent)
because you can see the fuel level.  Not sure about your configuration but
you should be able to find a close fit.

http://moellermarine.com/product-category/fuel-containment/permanent-fuel-tanks/

Determine which model best fits then go online shopping using the model
number.

Dennis C.

On Sun, Sep 10, 2017 at 7:40 AM, William Walker via CnC-List <
cnc-list@cnc-list.com> wrote:

> All this talk about leaking tanks caused mine to spring a leak on
> Fridayreally.
> Wish the access on my 36 was as good as others seem to have.  Espar
> furnace and refrigeration complicate things for me.
> Dennis, what tank do you recommend?  Good website for fitting install in
> plastic?  Or do the come ready to go?
> Bill Walker CnC 36
> Penteater, Mi
>
> Sent from AOL Mobile Mail
> --
> On Saturday, September 9, 2017 Dennis C. via CnC-List <
> cnc-list@cnc-list.com> wrote:
> Like Neil says, removing the tank is not difficult.  Last time I pulled
> mine took less than an hour.  I needed to get to the strut bolts.
>
> The concern is the elbow on the fill hose.  If you damage it, replacement
> may be difficult.  Gates makes an elbow that can be cut to fit but you may
> need a coupling or nipple to make it work.
>
> If your fill hose is original, I STRONGLY suggest you replace it.  It is
> well past its useful life.
>
> Dennis C.
> Touche' 35-1 #83
> Mandeville, LA
>
> On Sat, Sep 9, 2017 at 8:42 PM, Neil Gallagher via CnC-List <
> cnc-list@cnc-list.com> wrote:
>
>> Hervey,
>>
>> Getting it out was not too difficult,  the tank fits out through the
>> lazarette under the starboard seat.  My tank was held in place by two
>> galvanized steel straps, corrosion from which caused the leak. Hardest part
>> was undoing the fill and vent connections, had to get to them through the
>> panel at the aft end of the port quarter berth.
>>
>> As someone mentioned in a recent post, getting the fill hose back on was
>> a pain.  If I recall there's an elbow just off the tank connection, little
>> bit of a struggle to make it tight.  I used fabric straps to hold the new
>> plastic tank down.  My tank gauge has never worked so I just look through
>> the wall of the tank to see the level.
>>
>>
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Re: Stus-List Fuel tank replacement 35-1

2017-09-10 Thread William Walker via CnC-List
All this talk about leaking tanks caused mine to spring a leak on 
Fridayreally.
Wish the access on my 36 was as good as others seem to have.  Espar furnace and 
refrigeration complicate things for me.
Dennis, what tank do you recommend?  Good website for fitting install in 
plastic?  Or do the come ready to go?
Bill Walker CnC 36
Penteater, Mi

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On Saturday, September 9, 2017 Dennis C. via CnC-List  
wrote:

Like Neil says, removing the tank is not difficult.  Last time I pulled mine 
took less than an hour.  I needed to get to the strut bolts.


The concern is the elbow on the fill hose.  If you damage it, replacement may 
be difficult.  Gates makes an elbow that can be cut to fit but you may need a 
coupling or nipple to make it work.


If your fill hose is original, I STRONGLY suggest you replace it.  It is well 
past its useful life.


Dennis C.

Touche' 35-1 #83

Mandeville, LA


On Sat, Sep 9, 2017 at 8:42 PM, Neil Gallagher via CnC-List 
 wrote:

Hervey,

Getting it out was not too difficult,  the tank fits out through the lazarette 
under the starboard seat.  My tank was held in place by two galvanized steel 
straps, corrosion from which caused the leak. Hardest part was undoing the fill 
and vent connections, had to get to them through the panel at the aft end of 
the port quarter berth. 

As someone mentioned in a recent post, getting the fill hose back on was a 
pain.  If I recall there's an elbow just off the tank connection, little bit of 
a struggle to make it tight.  I used fabric straps to hold the new plastic tank 
down.  My tank gauge has never worked so I just look through the wall of the 
tank to see the level.



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Re: Stus-List Fuel tank replacement 35-1

2017-09-09 Thread Dennis C. via CnC-List
Like Neil says, removing the tank is not difficult.  Last time I pulled
mine took less than an hour.  I needed to get to the strut bolts.

The concern is the elbow on the fill hose.  If you damage it, replacement
may be difficult.  Gates makes an elbow that can be cut to fit but you may
need a coupling or nipple to make it work.

If your fill hose is original, I STRONGLY suggest you replace it.  It is
well past its useful life.

Dennis C.
Touche' 35-1 #83
Mandeville, LA

On Sat, Sep 9, 2017 at 8:42 PM, Neil Gallagher via CnC-List <
cnc-list@cnc-list.com> wrote:

> Hervey,
>
> Getting it out was not too difficult,  the tank fits out through the
> lazarette under the starboard seat.  My tank was held in place by two
> galvanized steel straps, corrosion from which caused the leak. Hardest part
> was undoing the fill and vent connections, had to get to them through the
> panel at the aft end of the port quarter berth.
>
> As someone mentioned in a recent post, getting the fill hose back on was a
> pain.  If I recall there's an elbow just off the tank connection, little
> bit of a struggle to make it tight.  I used fabric straps to hold the new
> plastic tank down.  My tank gauge has never worked so I just look through
> the wall of the tank to see the level.
>
>
>
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Re: Stus-List Fuel tank replacement 35-1

2017-09-09 Thread Neil Gallagher via CnC-List

Hervey,

Getting it out was not too difficult,  the tank fits out through the 
lazarette under the starboard seat.  My tank was held in place by two 
galvanized steel straps, corrosion from which caused the leak. Hardest 
part was undoing the fill and vent connections, had to get to them 
through the panel at the aft end of the port quarter berth.


As someone mentioned in a recent post, getting the fill hose back on was 
a pain.  If I recall there's an elbow just off the tank connection, 
little bit of a struggle to make it tight.  I used fabric straps to hold 
the new plastic tank down.  My tank gauge has never worked so I just 
look through the wall of the tank to see the level.


Neil Gallagher
Weatherly, 35-1
Glen Cove, NY


On 9/9/2017 9:28 PM, Hervey Machen via CnC-List wrote:

Neil,
Curious as to how you removed the fuel tank on your 35-1, as I've been 
concerned about our tank, but looks like a daunting task to remove the 
tank.

Hervey Machen
Ciothog 35-1, #115
Solomons MD


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Stus-List Fuel tank replacement 35-1

2017-09-09 Thread Hervey Machen via CnC-List
Neil,
Curious as to how you removed the fuel tank on your 35-1, as I've been
concerned about our tank, but looks like a daunting task to remove the tank.
Hervey Machen
Ciothog 35-1, #115
Solomons MD
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Re: Stus-List Fuel tank replacement

2015-05-04 Thread Robert Boyer via CnC-List
Another disadvantage of going with a bladder is that you couldn't use a fuel 
gauge to tell fuel level.  If you intend to do any kind of cruising, this would 
be a big disadvantage.

Bob Boyer
S/V Rainy Days / Annapolis MD
1983 C&C Landfall 38 - Hull #230
email: dainyr...@icloud.com 
blog: dainyrays.blogspot.com

"There is nothing--absolutely nothing--half so much worth doing as simply 
messing about in boats."  --Kenneth Grahame

> On May 3, 2015, at 1:49 PM, Robert Boyer via CnC-List  
> wrote:
> 
> The quadrant is only an inch above the tank on a LF 38 and there is no way 
> I'd ever consider a bladder tank in such a precarious position on my boat.  A 
> little bit of rubbing from the cable and you would have diesel fuel all over 
> the place.
> 
> Bob Boyer
> S/V Rainy Days / Annapolis MD
> 1983 C&C Landfall 38 - Hull #230
> email: dainyr...@icloud.com 
> blog: dainyrays.blogspot.com
> 
> "There is nothing--absolutely nothing--half so much worth doing as simply 
> messing about in boats."  --Kenneth Grahame
> 
>> On May 3, 2015, at 12:34 PM, Dennis C. via CnC-List  
>> wrote:
>> 
>> You might want to explore a bladder tank. 
>> 
>> I know we boaters have a serious mindset towards hard tanks but diesel 
>> bladder tanks are quite reliable and can be custom made. 
>> 
>> Can you cut the top off your existing tank, patch the holes with JB Weld or 
>> similar then drop in a custom bladder tank?  The existing tank would then 
>> become a containment for the bladder.
>> 
>> Dennis C.
>> Touché 35-1 #83
>> Mandeville, LA
>> 
>> Sent from my iPhone
>> 
>>> On May 3, 2015, at 9:17 AM, Phil via CnC-List  wrote:
>>> 
>>> My fuel tank on my LF 38 began leaking pretty badly recently.   I pumped 
>>> out all of the diesel.  What are my options for replacement?  Should I 
>>> replace with a stock sized tank or go another route?  Is this something I 
>>> can do myself? 
>>> 
>>> -Phil James
>>> 1982 C&C LF 38
>>> Annapolis, MD
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Stus-List Fuel tank replacement

2015-05-03 Thread Daniel Sheer via CnC-List
Pegathy's PO or predecessor did a fuel tank replacement. They sawed a piece out 
of the starboard lazarette side to get it in and then did a good, but visible, 
patch job. It clearly was not easy. If I had to do it, I would indeed try to 
use a bladder inside the remains of the old tank. The old tank top would, I 
think, protect the bladder from possible abrasion by the steering cables. If 
it's the top of the old tank that's corroded, I'd have to think again. I might 
try to lay a sheet of aluminum over what's left and still use a bladder. 

That's my story and I'm stickin' to it.
Dan SheerPegathy LF 38Rock Creek off the Patapsco
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Re: Stus-List Fuel tank replacement

2015-05-03 Thread Rick Brass via CnC-List
I was about to respond that the original tank on my 38 was of a size that it
could be slid over to stbd (once the straps attaching it to a wood platform
were removed) and rotated so it came out through the lid on the cockpit
locker. Then I looks at Wally's photos. All I can say is #%$@& ! And good
luck.


Rick Brass
Imzadi  C&C 38 mk 2
la Belle Aurore C&C 25 mk1
Washington, NC



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Subject: Stus-List Fuel tank replacement

My fuel tank on my LF 38 began leaking pretty badly recently.   I pumped out
all of the diesel.  What are my options for replacement?  Should I replace
with a stock sized tank or go another route?  Is this something I can do
myself? 

-Phil James
1982 C&C LF 38
Annapolis, MD
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Re: Stus-List Fuel tank replacement

2015-05-03 Thread Robert Boyer via CnC-List
The quadrant is only an inch above the tank on a LF 38 and there is no way I'd 
ever consider a bladder tank in such a precarious position on my boat.  A 
little bit of rubbing from the cable and you would have diesel fuel all over 
the place.

Bob Boyer
S/V Rainy Days / Annapolis MD
1983 C&C Landfall 38 - Hull #230
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> On May 3, 2015, at 12:34 PM, Dennis C. via CnC-List  
> wrote:
> 
> You might want to explore a bladder tank. 
> 
> I know we boaters have a serious mindset towards hard tanks but diesel 
> bladder tanks are quite reliable and can be custom made. 
> 
> Can you cut the top off your existing tank, patch the holes with JB Weld or 
> similar then drop in a custom bladder tank?  The existing tank would then 
> become a containment for the bladder.
> 
> Dennis C.
> Touché 35-1 #83
> Mandeville, LA
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>> On May 3, 2015, at 9:17 AM, Phil via CnC-List  wrote:
>> 
>> My fuel tank on my LF 38 began leaking pretty badly recently.   I pumped out 
>> all of the diesel.  What are my options for replacement?  Should I replace 
>> with a stock sized tank or go another route?  Is this something I can do 
>> myself? 
>> 
>> -Phil James
>> 1982 C&C LF 38
>> Annapolis, MD
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Re: Stus-List Fuel tank replacement

2015-05-03 Thread Dennis C. via CnC-List
You might want to explore a bladder tank. 

I know we boaters have a serious mindset towards hard tanks but diesel bladder 
tanks are quite reliable and can be custom made. 

Can you cut the top off your existing tank, patch the holes with JB Weld or 
similar then drop in a custom bladder tank?  The existing tank would then 
become a containment for the bladder.

Dennis C.
Touché 35-1 #83
Mandeville, LA

Sent from my iPhone

> On May 3, 2015, at 9:17 AM, Phil via CnC-List  wrote:
> 
> My fuel tank on my LF 38 began leaking pretty badly recently.   I pumped out 
> all of the diesel.  What are my options for replacement?  Should I replace 
> with a stock sized tank or go another route?  Is this something I can do 
> myself? 
> 
> -Phil James
> 1982 C&C LF 38
> Annapolis, MD
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Re: Stus-List Fuel tank replacement

2015-05-03 Thread Ken Heaton via CnC-List
I'm sure Wally will offer a few words when he is next on his email but he
did document this back when he did it to his LF 38 here:
http://www.wbryant.com/StellaBoat/Projects/fuel/index.htm

Ken H.

On 3 May 2015 at 11:17, Phil via CnC-List  wrote:

> My fuel tank on my LF 38 began leaking pretty badly recently.   I pumped
> out all of the diesel.  What are my options for replacement?  Should I
> replace with a stock sized tank or go another route?  Is this something I
> can do myself?
>
> -Phil James
> 1982 C&C LF 38
> Annapolis, MD
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Re: Stus-List Fuel tank replacement

2015-05-03 Thread Robert Boyer via CnC-List
Phil:

I just did this replacement last winter in my LF38.  I had my boat yard do it 
but I could have done it myself if I had enough time.  The partial bulkhead 
just in front of the tank has to be completely removed--a Fein saw works great 
for this!  Then you have to remove the water heater and part of the bulkhead 
behind the water heater--this creates the space to remove the old tank and put 
in a new one.  The tank can be purchased from Florida Marine Tanks in Henderson 
NC and they can go by the numbers on the tank's nameplate.  The original tank 
is only 0.090 inches thick--i upgraded to 1/4 inch for the replacement (about 
$500) because I never want to do it again.  Of course, the bulkhead in front of 
the tank has to go back in--we made a new one from a thick fiberglass panel and 
glassed it in place.  (I have pictures on my blog of the replacement process.)

There is a lot more to this than meets the eye since there is a lot of wiring 
that has to be removed and reinstalled as well.

I also ran into broken motor mounts and a loose prop strut that had to be fixed 
at the same time.

If you have a reputable boat yard do this work, you are looking at $10k plus 
the cost of the tank.  Hartge's Yacht Yard in Galesville did my replacement.

You welcome to come and look at my installation sometime.  I live in Annapolis 
but keep my boat is Galesville.

Bob

Bob Boyer
S/V Rainy Days / Annapolis MD
1983 C&C Landfall 38 - Hull #230
email: dainyr...@icloud.com 
blog: dainyrays.blogspot.com

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messing about in boats."  --Kenneth Grahame

> On May 3, 2015, at 10:17 AM, Phil via CnC-List  wrote:
> 
> My fuel tank on my LF 38 began leaking pretty badly recently.   I pumped out 
> all of the diesel.  What are my options for replacement?  Should I replace 
> with a stock sized tank or go another route?  Is this something I can do 
> myself? 
> 
> -Phil James
> 1982 C&C LF 38
> Annapolis, MD
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Stus-List Fuel tank replacement

2015-05-03 Thread Phil via CnC-List
My fuel tank on my LF 38 began leaking pretty badly recently.   I pumped out 
all of the diesel.  What are my options for replacement?  Should I replace with 
a stock sized tank or go another route?  Is this something I can do myself? 

-Phil James
1982 C&C LF 38
Annapolis, MD
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