Re: [CGUYS] Consternation over Computer Constipation (including Mac's) - help!
b_s-wilk wrote: And the newer Mac add-ons to expose the desktop, find the current window, find all the windows, switch windows, more easlily find your program executable are laboriously clumsy and cluged work-arounds that could just be solved by fixing the instruments that were originally designed to perform those functions ... the Finder, dock, and menus Automobiles used to have starting systems, shift levers, headlight dimmer, horns ... you name it ... all working differently and located all over the interior of the car with each manufacturer. But guess what?... they all work all most identically now and they are all located in the same relative place. By and large better utility won out probably because in the case of autos ... form REALLY followed function ... it was dangerous to continue otherwise... Apple would be better off in its own right if they would give a little now and then when someone else has a better design element... Find the Mac desktop: Command + H hides the open programs and reveals the desktop, or if in the Finder, Option + Command + H hides everything else. Why not just one key command? It's all these alternatives that are killing ... I'm trying to figure out the work not every version of every type of digital device I might be using to access my work. Windows show desktop on the quick launch menu ... does exactly that no matter what... it's a visible icon with a mouse over descriptor... It's superficially available to even a novice... Guess what? Not all automobiles are almost identical now! Is that a feature? Seems like one that increases the odds of getting me killed when someone else on the highway with me borrows a mini and is struggling in a sudden downpour to find the wipers? Driven a MINI lately? First time I drove in a blinding rain storm, I had to pull over to look at the manual to figure out how to turn on the windshield wipers. Had to get out the manual to figure out how to open the bonnet to find the battery, then needed the manual to reset the tire pressure control monitor. Needed the manual to display the speed on the steering wheel display instead of the huge superfluous speedometer. The many thousands of other settings are unlike in any car I've driven before, and I've driven a lot of different cars. I still love my MINI. It's so much fun! Have you ever driven a Citroën or Skoda? They're different too, not cludged or clumsy--different. I love differences... just not ones that make me more inefficient in my work, endanger me, disadvantage people etc Computer OSs are different too. How about the annoyance when switching cell phones? I switch from Nokia to Samsung to Motorola to Sony-Ericsson back to Nokia. Each has a different OS, different menus. Again ... is that considered a feature? Or a painful primitive stage in the development curve of a new technology? I understand perfectly that such can't be avoided in dev cycles and that is exactly what I am trying to say with my Finder, Dock comments: ... ... HEY everybody... don't you think the Mac needs to be improved in such and such? Hey guys, why are we stopping here? ... Some are better, some worse, depends on what you prefer, and it's the same with computers. None are perfect. You use what works for you. I'm not asking for perfect... I am asking for specific improvement that could easily be done. Goodness and excellence comes with the pursuit of perfect... Have you tried to learn a foreign language lately? Yes... and I am of the age that they don't come easily or very well any more. I do by best but that is just the way it is and increasingly will be for me. Which is exactly my point... Utilitarian tools should not discriminate against the inexperienced nor the aging... Experts don't need intuitive tools ... it's everyone else that does... db Betty * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** * * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** *
Re: [CGUYS] Swapping Boot Drives
Because I assume that if I keep it, then sooner or later I will have to PAY for it. At about $6K list price t is 4x more than my budget :( From: t.piwowar t...@tjpa.com To: COMPUTERGUYS-L@LISTSERV.AOL.COM Sent: Wed, December 16, 2009 1:17:24 AM Subject: Re: [CGUYS] Swapping Boot Drives On Dec 15, 2009, at 9:36 AM, Michael Wosnick wrote: Instead I have a Precision T7500 workstation that I neither want nor ordered. Why don't you just keep what you got? Looks like a fine PC. * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** *
Re: [CGUYS] need lots of PCI slots???
Quoting mike xha...@gmail.com: This sounds like someone who had a nightmare experience once and isn't going to allow it to happen again. I don't want to put words in Christopher's mouth...just what I was thinking. Same reason I won't buy Hitachi drives even if they are half the price and twice the warranty. Not to mention, he doesn't really have to explain himself to anybody. Personally, I like something with potential to grow. Whether I use it or not. * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** *
Re: [CGUYS] Consternation over Computer Constipation (including Mac's) - help!
Quoting mike xha...@gmail.com: Odd because I found the opposite. I didn't find myself looking for anything. Do you have any examples of what you noticed? My wife too is on 7, I installed it one day while she was gone, after two days I finally asked her if she liked it was having trouble...she looked at me blankly 'it's working..' Like what else is it supposed to do? She had zero trouble with the transition. I'm actually finding it harder to get used to Win7 than OSX. Microsoft just moved *everything*. Every time I want to do something, I have to try to remember where they put it. It's effin' annoying. Two that come to mind are network adapter settings and the Control Panel. Seems like I'm always trying to remember how to get to the adapter settings, and the Control Panel has a mind of it's own. I usually get to it by way of Windows Explorer. Sometimes it's there, sometimes it isn't. If I could just figure out how it got there. Maybe my biggest problem with Win7 is that things aren't where they should be, but OSX with I have no preconceived notions. * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** *
Re: [CGUYS] Consternation over Computer Constipation (including Mac's) - help!
Right, I can see the control panel issue, they took them and grouped em in Vista and it's not clear how to ungroup them in 7. Network adapters...still available in the system tray. I think part of windows problem is there are sixteen ways to do anything, perhaps they changed one way but that's the way some do it. Keep in mind if you have trouble finding anything, hit start and begin typing, I open very nearly everything this way. From the task manager to any control panel, programs...everything can be opened via the start menu. Sounds like we just learned to do things differently in windows, I wish they'd have changed more things, most seem to be where they were. There are differences between the new 7 explorer menus and the old ones in win2k/xp etc..but the new menus feel better organized to me. On Wed, Dec 16, 2009 at 6:38 AM, Reid Katan ka...@his.com wrote: Two that come to mind are network adapter settings and the Control Panel. Seems like I'm always trying to remember how to get to the adapter settings, and the Control Panel has a mind of it's own. I usually get to it by way of Windows Explorer. Sometimes it's there, sometimes it isn't. If I could just figure out how it got there. Maybe my biggest problem with Win7 is that things aren't where they should be, but OSX with I have no preconceived notions. * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** * * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** *
Re: [CGUYS] need lots of PCI slots???
On 12/16/2009 9:37 AM, Reid Katan wrote: Sheesh. And I thought my 8-bay was big. (-: Is ATX still the popular form factor? Last time I built a computer, it was--still is--a P3 450. It's been a while. I thought ATX was still the standard form factor. * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** *
Re: [CGUYS] need lots of PCI slots???
Intel came up with a BTX form factor. Stewart At 09:34 AM 12/16/2009, you wrote: On 12/16/2009 9:37 AM, Reid Katan wrote: Sheesh. And I thought my 8-bay was big. (-: Is ATX still the popular form factor? Last time I built a computer, it was--still is--a P3 450. It's been a while. I thought ATX was still the standard form factor. * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** * * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** *
Re: [CGUYS] need lots of PCI slots???
Well, as you've seen by now this isn't the case. The OP clings to the belief that he needs all these PCI slots because he thinks the onboard equivalents don't work as well. I'm not sure where he got that idea, but I doubt we'll be changing his mind in our lifetimes. Since the only card he would actually be putting in these slots is a sound card, it still makes no sense to need more than one or two PCI slots. Another camp fears that all the onboard devices will fail at some point and they will need PCI slots to use to prevent having to replace the mobo. They haven't actually had this experience, but their overwhelming *fear* of it happening will probably guide their choices for many years to come. Again, they apparently haven't actually counted how many PCI slots would be needed to replace all the broken onboard devices. One I think (audio), although there are USB audio solutions also. Hitachi drives are currently the best drives on the market. They're built to higher specs, that's why they cost a bit more. They may be overkill for most people. If you had a bad experience with one then it's probably no great loss as you have many other viable choices for average systems. On Wed, Dec 16, 2009 at 1:20 AM, mike xha...@gmail.com wrote: This sounds like someone who had a nightmare experience once and isn't going to allow it to happen again. I don't want to put words in Christopher's mouth...just what I was thinking. Same reason I won't buy Hitachi drives even if they are half the price and twice the warranty. * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** *
Re: [CGUYS] XP Pro problems
On Wed, Dec 16, 2009 at 12:45 AM, mike xha...@gmail.com wrote: SP 3 I believe is a rollup of all previous updates...shouldn't need to do SP2. According to M$ you need to have installed either SP1a or SP2 before installing SP3 on XP. http://support.microsoft.com/kb/322389 To make life easier I downloaded SP2 and SP3 and burned them to a single CD along with decrappifier. It is nice having all that stuff in one place when it is time to reinstall. -- John Duncan Yoyo ---o) * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** *
Re: [CGUYS] Consternation over Computer Constipation (including Mac's) - help!
OS X dock is not as much help as it easily could be and as a Linux or Window taskbars are today. The Dock is a half measure of what taskbars were always intended to be in terms of function. Interesting. The only time I use the Taskbar in Windows is to see what time it is, figure out why the WiFi isn't working, and to click on Start to shut down the computer. Each OS has its strengths and weaknesses--many are in the eye of the user. There are plenty of utilities to change the way you interact with the systems. Analyzing and describing what annoys you about the system is futile. Find the utilities that make your system work better for you. Send your issues directly to the Apple/MS, post on their boards. And why complain that the Mac doesn't work the same as Windows or Linux anyway? Maybe you could use David Pogue's Missing Manuals. Got them ... but the title of that series exactly makes my point. Mac's manuals are missing ... So are the Windows manuals. I'd love to switch but just can't sacrifice Window's / Linux simplicity of function in running a gadzillion windows / projects at once... It seems that you're thinking about it too much. It's like learning a new language. Learn the language/OS and don't try to translate. It's faster and less tedious that way. You think you're having trouble getting used to Mac OS X? Try this: I had to learn Quark XPress on a tight deadline, without a manual or tutorials because a former employee left with the expensive manuals! OS X = user friendly; Quark XPress = user hostile. You can do it Dan! I'll drink to that! You too! * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** *
Re: [CGUYS] Consternation over Computer Constipation (including Mac's) - help!
It's like they *tried* to make it as hard as they could. On Wed, Dec 16, 2009 at 10:10 AM, b_s-wilk b1sun...@yahoo.es wrote: Quark XPress = user hostile. * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** *
Re: [CGUYS] XP Pro problems
Actually, it's even easier to just get a disk with WinXP SP3 already slipstreamed in. Install it, then enter your own license number. But really, I doubt I'll be installing XP any longer; it was fun while it lasted, but Win7 is too much of an improvement to make it worth the while. On Wed, Dec 16, 2009 at 11:29 AM, John Duncan Yoyo johnduncany...@gmail.com wrote: To make life easier I downloaded SP2 and SP3 and burned them to a single CD along with decrappifier. It is nice having all that stuff in one place when it is time to reinstall. * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** *
Re: [CGUYS] Consternation over Computer Constipation (including Mac's) - help!
On Wed, Dec 16, 2009 at 12:10 PM, b_s-wilk b1sun...@yahoo.es wrote: OS X dock is not as much help as it easily could be and as a Linux or Window taskbars are today. The Dock is a half measure of what taskbars were always intended to be in terms of function. Interesting. The only time I use the Taskbar in Windows is to see what time it is, figure out why the WiFi isn't working, and to click on Start to shut down the computer. Each OS has its strengths and weaknesses--many are in the eye of the user. There are plenty of utilities to change the way you interact with the systems. Analyzing and describing what annoys you about the system is futile. Find the utilities that make your system work better for you. Send your issues directly to the Apple/MS, post on their boards. I don't find much of a difference in WIN7s task bar and the OSX6 dock. There is more stuff automatically on the OSX dock but most of what is available on the WIN7 taskbar is on the Dock. The Dock has more automatically attached than the taskbar. The taskbar seems to have more options available than the Dock. And why complain that the Mac doesn't work the same as Windows or Linux anyway? Maybe you could use David Pogue's Missing Manuals. Got them ... but the title of that series exactly makes my point. Mac's manuals are missing ... So are the Windows manuals. All the manuals are missing which is OK if there is a decent help file provided somewhere. I actually am more likely to complain about the manuals for iPod than anything else. I have yet to see a good explanation of how to use the on the go playlist or how to keep my iPod from turning on disk use. -- John Duncan Yoyo ---o) * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** *
Re: [CGUYS] XP Pro problems
On Wed, Dec 16, 2009 at 1:16 PM, Tony B ton...@gmail.com wrote: Actually, it's even easier to just get a disk with WinXP SP3 already slipstreamed in. Install it, then enter your own license number. But really, I doubt I'll be installing XP any longer; it was fun while it lasted, but Win7 is too much of an improvement to make it worth the while. I have to rely on the restore function of my old HP system which comes with the burn your own option so I end up with a pre SP2 installation. I supose I could spend time trying to figure out how to slip stream that but that isn't worth the time for me. SP7 runs ok on my old machine but it is slow on iTunes which is my main use for the machine. -- John Duncan Yoyo ---o) * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** *
Re: [CGUYS] Consternation over Computer Constipation (including Mac's) - help!
I'm just talking because someone brought the subject up. Why do I bring it up? On this list I am more and more constantly filtering out WFB / MFB back and forth yadda yadda, Yes it is ... no it isn't ya duffas, slam / counterslam strings that mostly lack any technical substance and are much more about personal confrontation than any kind of substantive technical discussion. So I got particular... put down some of my exact observations and experience about OS X tech inefficiencies that get in my way and are surprisingly and noticeably unintuitive and that I would like changed. Why? Maybe eventually such discussions could have an effect. Tom for one is somewhat of a Mac authority. Nothing typically changes until the need is made apparent and I'm doing my bit to advance that process. Eventually if windows continues to get worse and Linux doesn't get more general acceptance / tie-in, I may have enough reasons to switch my personal machine to OS X and figure out work-a-rounds but for now... I just do what works most easily for me... and that's not OS X. But I do keep my ear out for Dock replacements... db b_s-wilk wrote: OS X dock is not as much help as it easily could be and as a Linux or Window taskbars are today. The Dock is a half measure of what taskbars were always intended to be in terms of function. Interesting. The only time I use the Taskbar in Windows is to see what time it is, figure out why the WiFi isn't working, and to click on Start to shut down the computer. Each OS has its strengths and weaknesses--many are in the eye of the user. There are plenty of utilities to change the way you interact with the systems. Analyzing and describing what annoys you about the system is futile. Find the utilities that make your system work better for you. Send your issues directly to the Apple/MS, post on their boards. And why complain that the Mac doesn't work the same as Windows or Linux anyway? Maybe you could use David Pogue's Missing Manuals. Got them ... but the title of that series exactly makes my point. Mac's manuals are missing ... So are the Windows manuals. I'd love to switch but just can't sacrifice Window's / Linux simplicity of function in running a gadzillion windows / projects at once... It seems that you're thinking about it too much. It's like learning a new language. Learn the language/OS and don't try to translate. It's faster and less tedious that way. You think you're having trouble getting used to Mac OS X? Try this: I had to learn Quark XPress on a tight deadline, without a manual or tutorials because a former employee left with the expensive manuals! OS X = user friendly; Quark XPress = user hostile. You can do it Dan! I'll drink to that! You too! * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** * * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** *
Re: [CGUYS] need lots of PCI slots???
On Dec 16, 2009, at 1:39 AM, Christopher Range wrote: I didn't have a nightmare experience that necessitates having that many slots. Just the thought of having that much dependence on the motherboard, when the functions of a peripheral card is far better than the sub-standard garbage on the motherboard, is what causes me to need that many slots.. Don't bad mouth mother! Not all mobos are crap. * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** *
Re: [CGUYS] need lots of PCI slots???
A memory I'd successfully blocked out until now. I got my monstrosity late one Saturday night as it was the only case they had with the brand new ATX form. Lots of space to play around inside, but with a menacing aspect due to its sheer size. Anyway, it too saw the dump a couple years ago. On Wed, Dec 16, 2009 at 2:00 PM, tjpa t...@tjpa.com wrote: On Dec 16, 2009, at 8:55 AM, Christopher Range wrote: That is why, I have the same 13-bay Full-Tower ATX that I bought ten years ago. I have upgraded the sound card, RAM, HD's, speakers, monitor, hard disk controller, floppy drive, webcam, headphones, keyboard, mouse and, digital camera; all in that time. I used to have one of those. We nicknamed it The Refrigerator. Eventually we grew tired of mocking it and sent it to the crusher. * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** *
Re: [CGUYS] need lots of PCI slots???
It used to be if you wanted good sound you got an add on card, that myth lasted longer because of companies who made these cards wanting to stay in business. I know serious audiophiles say to move the sound card away from the rig..as in external connected via toslink. I've used the sound on the mobo for years now, I get surround sound out on my system behind the tv through the spdif connection, sounds great. My main system I still use two PCI slots, one for esata and one for a tv tuner card. My main system has room for about ten rear slots and 4 optical drives and 6 HD's. I like the freedom...I keep 7 HD's in this system but at any one time only 3 are connected...the others are long term storage, and one is an ubuntu install. On Wed, Dec 16, 2009 at 11:58 AM, tjpa t...@tjpa.com wrote: On Dec 16, 2009, at 1:39 AM, Christopher Range wrote: I didn't have a nightmare experience that necessitates having that many slots. Just the thought of having that much dependence on the motherboard, when the functions of a peripheral card is far better than the sub-standard garbage on the motherboard, is what causes me to need that many slots.. Don't bad mouth mother! Not all mobos are crap. * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** * * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** *
Re: [CGUYS] Consternation over Computer Constipation (including Mac's) - help!
On Dec 16, 2009, at 12:10 PM, b_s-wilk wrote: The only time I use the Taskbar in Windows is to see what time it is, figure out why the WiFi isn't working, and to click on Start to shut down the computer. I agree about the standard Windows Taskbar, but when much better when I put it on the left in flag-mode. Now I slightly prefer the ways my Windows Taskbar works over the Mac's Dock. I wonder if W7 will still work this way? When people who don't know what they are doing complain you have to take it for what it is worth. I was recently reading a post complaining about a particular ISP. As I read it became increasingly clear that the writer did not have a clue about how to manage their account. So who is to blame? * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** *
Re: [CGUYS] Consternation over Computer Constipation (including Mac's) - help!
On Wed, Dec 16, 2009 at 10:10 AM, b_s-wilk b1sun...@yahoo.es wrote: Quark XPress = user hostile. I take it that you are an InDesign user? I think Quark made a much better analysis, with better success, at managing the complexity of a modern page layout application than Adobe did. If you are used to something different and try to apply your old style of working to a different program it is bound to be frustrating, but that does not mean Quark is worse. When I train Quark users to use InDesign I see their frustration. It takes quite a detailed analysis to state that a particular feature is really better or worse. I recall when Photoshop introduced some new tools and I was critical because the way they operated was inconsistent with some older tools that seemed similar. It took me a while to recognize that the new tools had a particular intended purpose and the seeming inconsistency simplified their use for that purpose. * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** *
Re: [CGUYS] Consternation over Computer Constipation (including Mac's) - help!
On Dec 16, 2009, at 1:49 PM, db wrote: So I got particular... put down some of my exact observations and experience about OS X tech inefficiencies that get in my way and are surprisingly and noticeably unintuitive and that I would like changed. I'm particularly disappointed that this thread has continued to carp about some supposed user interface problems when it is really PEBKAC. Why the opposition to learning how to use a tool better? * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** *
Re: [CGUYS] Consternation over Computer Constipation (including Mac's) - help!
On Dec 16, 2009, at 2:20 AM, db wrote: This would be one of them in my opinion. If you have ever tried to train someone on a Mac / be responsible for their learning curve and competency you would know why the Mac menu bar design leaves something to desired. I've run a computer training school for 25 years so think I have some expertise in this. What do you tell these supposedly unconfused learners to do when there are no windows open? No windows means no menus, no menus means no access to commands. In the OS X Finder there is always a menu bar and no confusion about how to get a window, to select help, etc. In Windows it ain't so simple. So how do you tell them to access the help menu when there are no windows open? * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** *
Re: [CGUYS] Consternation over Computer Constipation (including Mac's) - help!
Well you said yourself you found the windows startbar more useful than the os x dock? Perhaps take this chance to tell him how to use the dock better? This is the kind of stuff he was talking about earlier, he voices some opinions and complaints etc, and he gets told to shut it and he's wrong and learn how to use it. How about some advice? Or maybe ask him specifically what the issue is... You say he is carping about 'supposed' UI problems..but you and I both know you don't think OS X is perfect in this catagory, so why continue this myth that it is? On Wed, Dec 16, 2009 at 12:50 PM, tjpa t...@tjpa.com wrote: On Dec 16, 2009, at 1:49 PM, db wrote: So I got particular... put down some of my exact observations and experience about OS X tech inefficiencies that get in my way and are surprisingly and noticeably unintuitive and that I would like changed. I'm particularly disappointed that this thread has continued to carp about some supposed user interface problems when it is really PEBKAC. Why the opposition to learning how to use a tool better? * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** * * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** *
[CGUYS] Border security guards kill -- literally kill -- a MacBook
Young American woman travels over to Jerusalem to meet some friends, see the sights, live the life. Overzealous border security officers ask her a bunch of questions, take issue with her answers, and a few well-placed bullets later she is allowed entry into the country with a somewhat altered MacBook in tow.. http://www.engadget.com/2009/12/15/airport-security-guards-kill-literally-kill-a-macbook/ * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** *
[CGUYS] First commercial 4G wireless network debuts -- Not in America
http://gcn.com/articles/2009/12/14/web-1st-4g-wireless-network.aspx?s=gcndaily_161209 Mobile communications took a leap forward today with the debut of the world’s first commercially available broadband wireless service to rely on fourth-generation (4G), long-term evolution (LTE) technology. The new service, which is capable of transmitting data more than 10 times faster than current third-generation (3G) wireless technologies, was officially rolled out in Stockholm today by Sweden’s TeliaSonera, using equipment provided by Ericsson. Does Verizon want to post their G4 map? * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** *
[CGUYS] iPod manuals [was Consternation...]
All the manuals are missing which is OK if there is a decent help file provided somewhere. I actually am more likely to complain about the manuals for iPod than anything else. I have yet to see a good explanation of how to use the on the go playlist or how to keep my iPod from turning on disk use. My iPod Touch is so annoying that I have to read a manual! How do I display all the data that I can see on my Nano, like playlists that are in podcasts? On-the-Go was easy on the Nano [select playlist or song/podcast, press and hold center button until screen flashes; create new OTG playlist after sync], but hard to find on the Touch. I like the Touch anyway--good outweighs bad. iPod Lounge is helpful. They have their own manuals, including The Free iPod + iPhone Book 4. http://www.ilounge.com/index.php/library/ Betty * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** *
Re: [CGUYS] First commercial 4G wireless network debuts -- Not in America
Verizon is in the testing stages for LTE, they've rolled out in Seattle at least...so where are ATT, Tmobile and Sprint? On Wed, Dec 16, 2009 at 1:42 PM, tjp t...@tjpa.com wrote: http://gcn.com/articles/2009/12/14/web-1st-4g-wireless-network.aspx?s=gcndaily_161209 Mobile communications took a leap forward today with the debut of the world’s first commercially available broadband wireless service to rely on fourth-generation (4G), long-term evolution (LTE) technology. The new service, which is capable of transmitting data more than 10 times faster than current third-generation (3G) wireless technologies, was officially rolled out in Stockholm today by Sweden’s TeliaSonera, using equipment provided by Ericsson. Does Verizon want to post their G4 map? * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** * * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** *
Re: [CGUYS] Border security guards kill -- literally kill -- a MacBook
On Wed, Dec 16, 2009 at 3:45 PM, b_s-wilk b1sun...@yahoo.es wrote: Young American woman travels over to Jerusalem to meet some friends, see the sights, live the life. Overzealous border security officers ask her a bunch of questions, take issue with her answers, and a few well-placed bullets later she is allowed entry into the country with a somewhat altered MacBook in tow.. http://www.engadget.com/2009/12/15/airport-security-guards-kill-literally-kill-a-macbook/ It just goes to show WFB's ain't got no respect. I do hope the Israeli government is going to apologize with a replacement since customs ordered her to abandon the bag and then shot it as an abandoned bag. -- John Duncan Yoyo ---o) * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** *
Re: [CGUYS] Consternation over Computer Constipation (including Mac's) - help!
Quoting tjpa t...@tjpa.com: So how do you tell them to access the help menu when there are no windows open? I know I'm biased by knowing already, but my guess would be to click the Start button. Sure, it seems odd to push the Start button to shut down, but if you want to start doing something. . . * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** *
Re: [CGUYS] Consternation over Computer Constipation (including Mac's) - help!
Hit start and type HELP...that works. On Wed, Dec 16, 2009 at 3:17 PM, Reid Katan ka...@his.com wrote: Quoting tjpa t...@tjpa.com: So how do you tell them to access the help menu when there are no windows open? I know I'm biased by knowing already, but my guess would be to click the Start button. Sure, it seems odd to push the Start button to shut down, but if you want to start doing something. . . * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** * * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** *
Re: [CGUYS] Consternation over Computer Constipation (including Mac's) - help!
Try F1. Stewart At 04:32 PM 12/16/2009, you wrote: Hit start and type HELP...that works. On Wed, Dec 16, 2009 at 3:17 PM, Reid Katan ka...@his.com wrote: Quoting tjpa t...@tjpa.com: So how do you tell them to access the help menu when there are no windows open? I know I'm biased by knowing already, but my guess would be to click the Start button. Sure, it seems odd to push the Start button to shut down, but if you want to start doing something. . . * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** * * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** * * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** *
Re: [CGUYS] Consternation over Computer Constipation (including Mac's) - help!
On Dec 16, 2009, at 5:41 PM, Rev. Stewart Marshall wrote: Try F1. What does that mean? You need to supply an explanation for a noob. * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** *
Re: [CGUYS] Consternation over Computer Constipation (including Mac's) - help!
On Dec 16, 2009, at 5:32 PM, mike wrote: Hit start and type HELP...that works. So you are sending a confused noob to a command line interface? That is rich. * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** *
Re: [CGUYS] Consternation over Computer Constipation (including Mac's) - help!
On Dec 16, 2009, at 5:17 PM, Reid Katan wrote: I know I'm biased by knowing already, but my guess would be to click the Start button. Sure, it seems odd to push the Start button to shut down, but if you want to start doing something. . . Okay, I pressed Start. A whole bunch of stuff suddenly appeared on the screen. I see nothing that says Help. What am I supposed to do? * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** *
Re: [CGUYS] Consternation over Computer Constipation (including Mac's) - help!
F1 is the universal help key in Windows. Press F! and it always brings up help. Stewart At 05:53 PM 12/16/2009, you wrote: On Dec 16, 2009, at 5:41 PM, Rev. Stewart Marshall wrote: Try F1. What does that mean? You need to supply an explanation for a noob. * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** * Rev. Stewart A. Marshall mailto:popoz...@earthlink.net Prince of Peace www.princeofpeaceozark.org Ozark, AL SL 82 * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** *
Re: [CGUYS] Consternation over Computer Constipation (including Mac's) - help!
On Dec 16, 2009, at 3:06 PM, mike wrote: Well you said yourself you found the windows startbar more useful than the os x dock? Perhaps take this chance to tell him how to use the dock better? Someone asking a question will get an answer. Someone posting a long list of gripes will get an overall assessment. * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** *
Re: [CGUYS] Android Apps again
On Dec 15, 2009, at 3:11 PM, mike wrote: Quantity rarely equals quality I'm confused. WFBs keep assuring me that it is so. * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** *
Re: [CGUYS] Swapping Boot Drives
On Dec 16, 2009, at 7:48 AM, Michael Wosnick wrote: Because I assume that if I keep it, then sooner or later I will have to PAY for it. At about $6K list price t is 4x more than my budget :( Unless the laws have changed a lot I believe you are allowed to keep stuff that is mailed to you unsolicited. I would offer them to call it even. * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** *
Re: [CGUYS] ATT Takes the Blame, Even for the iPhone's Faults
On Dec 15, 2009, at 12:27 AM, mike wrote: Tmobile and ATT are the worst for coverage, they aren't even in the same ballpark. I have T-Mobile. The only places where I did not get service were underground in the DC Metro and in one monumental building along the Mall. Last month my T-Mobile phone started working in the Metro. Today I was in the monumental building and was startled when an SMS arrived. I found out that T-Mobile had stopped by and installed a repeater. * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** *
Re: [CGUYS] Consternation over Computer Constipation (including Mac's) - help!
Where does it say help on a mac? Or are we using two different standards as usual? On Wed, Dec 16, 2009 at 4:56 PM, tjpa t...@tjpa.com wrote: On Dec 16, 2009, at 5:17 PM, Reid Katan wrote: I know I'm biased by knowing already, but my guess would be to click the Start button. Sure, it seems odd to push the Start button to shut down, but if you want to start doing something. . . Okay, I pressed Start. A whole bunch of stuff suddenly appeared on the screen. I see nothing that says Help. What am I supposed to do? * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** * * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** *
Re: [CGUYS] Consternation over Computer Constipation (including Mac's) - help!
Tom can 'play' dumb better than anyone. On Wed, Dec 16, 2009 at 4:53 PM, tjpa t...@tjpa.com wrote: On Dec 16, 2009, at 5:41 PM, Rev. Stewart Marshall wrote: Try F1. What does that mean? You need to supply an explanation for a noob. * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** * * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** *
Re: [CGUYS] Consternation over Computer Constipation (including Mac's) - help!
Yes, that's right, ANY typing you do is considered command line. On Wed, Dec 16, 2009 at 4:54 PM, tjpa t...@tjpa.com wrote: On Dec 16, 2009, at 5:32 PM, mike wrote: Hit start and type HELP...that works. So you are sending a confused noob to a command line interface? That is rich. * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** * * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** *
[CGUYS] Quark vs. InDesign [was: Consternation...]
Quark XPress = user hostile. I take it that you are an InDesign user? I think Quark made a much better analysis, with better success, at managing the complexity of a modern page layout application than Adobe did. If you are used to something different and try to apply your old style of working to a different program it is bound to be frustrating, but that does not mean Quark is worse. When I train Quark users to use InDesign I see their frustration. I prefer Quark XPress to Adobe InDesign--I know how to use both--I just justify buying a new version. Yes, Quark is user-hostile to new users, and has a very steep learning curve. I had less than a week to learn the program and design/produce a lot of ads, with only one other very busy person to ask about how to use it. That was after using PageMaker since v.1. Once I got to the peak, it's amazing how many things I can do in Quark that Adobe didn't even imagine. Quark also has lots of XTensions/plugins/modules that make it even more versatile, especially compared to InDesign. However, I use InDesign CS3 now. It fits into my budget better Quark since I don't need to use it full time. * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** *
Re: [CGUYS] Swapping Boot Drives
With all the trouble, I'd do the same. You TRIED to fix it...they aren't. On Wed, Dec 16, 2009 at 5:03 PM, tjpa t...@tjpa.com wrote: On Dec 16, 2009, at 7:48 AM, Michael Wosnick wrote: Because I assume that if I keep it, then sooner or later I will have to PAY for it. At about $6K list price t is 4x more than my budget :( Unless the laws have changed a lot I believe you are allowed to keep stuff that is mailed to you unsolicited. I would offer them to call it even. * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** * * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** *
Re: [CGUYS] Android Apps again
So do MFB's...like you...just a week or two ago. Your memory is slipping. On Wed, Dec 16, 2009 at 5:00 PM, tjpa t...@tjpa.com wrote: On Dec 15, 2009, at 3:11 PM, mike wrote: Quantity rarely equals quality I'm confused. WFBs keep assuring me that it is so. * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** * * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** *
Re: [CGUYS] ATT Takes the Blame, Even for the iPhone's Faults
Great! And? On Wed, Dec 16, 2009 at 5:11 PM, tjpa t...@tjpa.com wrote: On Dec 15, 2009, at 12:27 AM, mike wrote: Tmobile and ATT are the worst for coverage, they aren't even in the same ballpark. I have T-Mobile. The only places where I did not get service were underground in the DC Metro and in one monumental building along the Mall. Last month my T-Mobile phone started working in the Metro. Today I was in the monumental building and was startled when an SMS arrived. I found out that T-Mobile had stopped by and installed a repeater. * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** * * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** *
Re: [CGUYS] XP Pro problems
On 12/16/2009 12:45 AM, mike wrote: SP 3 I believe is a rollup of all previous updates...shouldn't need to do SP2. That is my understanding from the note about SP3, on Microsoft's website. * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** *
Re: [CGUYS] XP Pro problems
On 12/16/2009 11:29 AM, John Duncan Yoyo wrote: According to M$ you need to have installed either SP1a or SP2 before installing SP3 on XP. http://support.microsoft.com/kb/322389 To make life easier I downloaded SP2 and SP3 and burned them to a single CD along with decrappifier. It is nice having all that stuff in one place when it is time to reinstall. It certainly sounds more logical, to do them(SP2 n' SP3) in succession, instead of bundled. I definitely like the CD suggestion. * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** *
Re: [CGUYS] Consternation over Computer Constipation (including Mac's) - help!
On Dec 16, 2009, at 6:59 PM, Rev. Stewart Marshall wrote: F1 is the universal help key in Windows. I pressed F1 and got a big window full of text. Nothing there about opening a window. I typed open window in the search box. Again nothing about opening a windows. It did offer an essay on product activation. I'm still confused. * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** *
Re: [CGUYS] XP Pro problems
On 12/16/2009 1:16 PM, Tony B wrote: Actually, it's even easier to just get a disk with WinXP SP3 already slipstreamed in. Install it, then enter your own license number. But really, I doubt I'll be installing XP any longer; it was fun while it lasted, but Win7 is too much of an improvement to make it worth the while. I haven't found a link on MS' website, that makes that possible. I definitely would prefer to do it that way. I just haven't found the link. * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** *
Re: [CGUYS] Consternation over Computer Constipation (including Mac's) - help!
On Dec 16, 2009, at 7:11 PM, mike wrote: Where does it say help on a mac? Or are we using two different standards as usual? There is a Help button on the keyboard. The rightmost item on the menu bar is also Help. * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** *
Re: [CGUYS] XP Pro problems
On 12/16/2009 12:01 AM, Fred Holmes wrote: Whatever subsystem fails on the motherboard, and can be fixed by replacing it with the same function on a PCI card. Shouldn't the Firewire be on the MB as well? Slot covers can contain additional connectors, e.g. for an e-Sata drive. An SCSI card, so you can hook up a legacy drive containing old data that suddenly becomes important. Yes, I know, there are USB to SCSI adapters, or at least there used to be for SCSI narrow drives. Another video card so you can be running four monitors? . . . Fred Holmes I won't wait for a motherboard failure. That is why, I am doing what you mentioned above. * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** *
Re: [CGUYS] Consternation over Computer Constipation (including Mac's) - help!
You have been for some time. On Wed, Dec 16, 2009 at 5:26 PM, tjpa t...@tjpa.com wrote: On Dec 16, 2009, at 6:59 PM, Rev. Stewart Marshall wrote: F1 is the universal help key in Windows. I pressed F1 and got a big window full of text. Nothing there about opening a window. I typed open window in the search box. Again nothing about opening a windows. It did offer an essay on product activation. I'm still confused. * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** * * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** *
Re: [CGUYS] XP Pro problems
But if the motherboard ALREADY has sound..you aren't spending even more for a sound card are you? I mean use onboard sound till it breaks, then put a pci card in? On Wed, Dec 16, 2009 at 5:34 PM, Christopher Range lcms0...@comcast.netwrote: On 12/16/2009 12:01 AM, Fred Holmes wrote: Whatever subsystem fails on the motherboard, and can be fixed by replacing it with the same function on a PCI card. Shouldn't the Firewire be on the MB as well? Slot covers can contain additional connectors, e.g. for an e-Sata drive. An SCSI card, so you can hook up a legacy drive containing old data that suddenly becomes important. Yes, I know, there are USB to SCSI adapters, or at least there used to be for SCSI narrow drives. Another video card so you can be running four monitors? . . . Fred Holmes I won't wait for a motherboard failure. That is why, I am doing what you mentioned above. * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** * * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** *
Re: [CGUYS] Consternation over Computer Constipation (including Mac's) - help!
S...you can find help on the mac keyboard...but not on the windows one? Does Apple spell HELP different than windows. HELP That's how it should look. Also when I press the start button and type that word just as it appears above, I get loads of help. On Wed, Dec 16, 2009 at 5:29 PM, tjpa t...@tjpa.com wrote: On Dec 16, 2009, at 7:11 PM, mike wrote: Where does it say help on a mac? Or are we using two different standards as usual? There is a Help button on the keyboard. The rightmost item on the menu bar is also Help. * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** * * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** *
Re: [CGUYS] XP Pro problems
Google nLite, they do a free tool for slipstreaming not only SP's but drivers etc. On Wed, Dec 16, 2009 at 5:28 PM, Christopher Range lcms0...@comcast.netwrote: On 12/16/2009 1:16 PM, Tony B wrote: Actually, it's even easier to just get a disk with WinXP SP3 already slipstreamed in. Install it, then enter your own license number. But really, I doubt I'll be installing XP any longer; it was fun while it lasted, but Win7 is too much of an improvement to make it worth the while. I haven't found a link on MS' website, that makes that possible. I definitely would prefer to do it that way. I just haven't found the link. * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** * * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** *
Re: [CGUYS] XP Pro problems
Any new disk you buy will already have SP3 in it. Assuming they're still selling XP. Then again, there are other places to download such disks. You'll still need your own license to run it. On Wed, Dec 16, 2009 at 7:28 PM, Christopher Range lcms0...@comcast.net wrote: I haven't found a link on MS' website, that makes that possible. I definitely would prefer to do it that way. I just haven't found the link. * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** *
Re: [CGUYS] Consternation over Computer Constipation (including Mac's) - help!
Quoting tjpa t...@tjpa.com: On Dec 16, 2009, at 5:17 PM, Reid Katan wrote: I know I'm biased by knowing already, but my guess would be to click the Start button. Sure, it seems odd to push the Start button to shut down, but if you want to start doing something. . . Okay, I pressed Start. A whole bunch of stuff suddenly appeared on the screen. I see nothing that says Help. What am I supposed to do? Uhh. Mkay, if you can't figure out where to go from there, perhaps you should not be using a computer. How about clicking on the word Help? Frankly, I don't see how a noob is going to make the connection in OSX to click on an oval shaped white spot at the top right of the Finder window and type help into that. If someone is that clueless about computers they really should get some assistance. It would be an interesting exercise to put some 100% no nothing (about computers) people in front of a few computer systems and see how they make out with no help whatsoever. * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** *
Re: [CGUYS] Consternation over Computer Constipation (including Mac's) - help!
Quoting Rev. Stewart Marshall popoz...@earthlink.net: F1 is the universal help key in Windows. At 05:53 PM 12/16/2009, you wrote: On Dec 16, 2009, at 5:41 PM, Rev. Stewart Marshall wrote: Try F1. What does that mean? You need to supply an explanation for a noob. In all fairness, a noob is not going to know that. * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** *
Re: [CGUYS] Consternation over Computer Constipation (including Mac's) - help!
All my keyboards say 'F1' and 'HELP' underneath the F1...I think even noobs can get that. Or they can hit that big glowy button start and help is almost first on the list. On Wed, Dec 16, 2009 at 5:57 PM, Reid Katan ka...@his.com wrote: Quoting Rev. Stewart Marshall popoz...@earthlink.net: F1 is the universal help key in Windows. At 05:53 PM 12/16/2009, you wrote: On Dec 16, 2009, at 5:41 PM, Rev. Stewart Marshall wrote: Try F1. What does that mean? You need to supply an explanation for a noob. In all fairness, a noob is not going to know that. * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** * * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** *
Re: [CGUYS] XP Pro problems
On 12/16/2009 7:40 PM, mike wrote: But if the motherboard ALREADY has sound..you aren't spending even more for a sound card are you? I mean use onboard sound till it breaks, then put a pci card in? I didn't want to wait for that to happen, to get the sound card. Besides, Why should I settle for the 'basics'. While I am not a gamer, I don't see why I should settle for what amounts to second-rate technology, where sound n' video are concerned. * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** *
Re: [CGUYS] Swapping Boot Drives
An interesting nuance you propose. It wasn't exactly mailed to me unsolicited. I purposefully and in good faith ordered X, they delivered Y in error. Granted it is THEIR error, but how does that justify me just keeping what isn't mine From: tjpa t...@tjpa.com To: COMPUTERGUYS-L@LISTSERV.AOL.COM Sent: Wed, December 16, 2009 7:03:45 PM Subject: Re: [CGUYS] Swapping Boot Drives On Dec 16, 2009, at 7:48 AM, Michael Wosnick wrote: Because I assume that if I keep it, then sooner or later I will have to PAY for it. At about $6K list price t is 4x more than my budget :( Unless the laws have changed a lot I believe you are allowed to keep stuff that is mailed to you unsolicited. I would offer them to call it even. * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** *
Re: [CGUYS] XP Pro problems
On 12/16/2009 7:52 PM, Tony B wrote: Any new disk you buy will already have SP3 in it. Assuming they're still selling XP. Then again, there are other places to download such disks. You'll still need your own license to run it. When you say that I still need my own license to run it, is it safe to presume, that you mean I would need a new software key to run it? * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** *
Re: [CGUYS] XP Pro problems
On 12/16/2009 1:05 AM, Reid Katan wrote: Have you tried Safe Mode? Like Mike said, there should be an option to step through the boot. Just keep on stepping until it stops on you. That should narrow it down. I will definitely give that a go. Is there a bug in XP SP2? 'Fraid I can't help you there. After all this time, I'd think it was pretty stable. Can you back out of the SP updates? and if you do, will it return you to normal? I asked about SP2 having a bug, because it was a curiosity. Yet, Not a definite idea to my problem. I thought about trying to back out of SP2. But, I just re-installed SP1, without losing anything. * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** *
Re: [CGUYS] XP Pro problems
On 12/16/2009 7:40 PM, mike wrote: Google nLite, they do a free tool for slipstreaming not only SP's but drivers etc. Thanks for mentioning that. I will definitely take a look at it. * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** *
Re: [CGUYS] Consternation over Computer Constipation (including Mac's) - help!
No, they just didn't understand what easy / intuitive / good interface is and how to make it that. Coding is one thing, interface design is another. If you just write code... it'll ALWAYS make great sense to you... why wouldn't it? ... you wrote it ... but that doesn't mean anyone else can grok it... db mike wrote: It's like they *tried* to make it as hard as they could. On Wed, Dec 16, 2009 at 10:10 AM, b_s-wilk b1sun...@yahoo.es wrote: Quark XPress = user hostile. * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** * * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** *
Re: [CGUYS] XP Pro problems
Most mobo's have the same sound you get in inexpensive cards. Seems like doubling down even though you can only win once. I've got ROCKING pounding sound from my mobo...Them Crooked Vultures isn't a bad album especially nice and loud. To each his own though, we do what works, do not judge lest ye be judged and have a hard drive failure I always say. On Wed, Dec 16, 2009 at 8:15 PM, Christopher Range lcms0...@comcast.netwrote: On 12/16/2009 7:40 PM, mike wrote: But if the motherboard ALREADY has sound..you aren't spending even more for a sound card are you? I mean use onboard sound till it breaks, then put a pci card in? I didn't want to wait for that to happen, to get the sound card. Besides, Why should I settle for the 'basics'. While I am not a gamer, I don't see why I should settle for what amounts to second-rate technology, where sound n' video are concerned. * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** * * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** *
Re: [CGUYS] Swapping Boot Drives
I think the point is, you in good faith called and tried to fix the situation, they in turn have been screwing around. This reminds me of that problem when a student finds a teacher grades their paper wrong in the students favor. Most my teachers said, if it happens, don't tell me. You made an honest effort, you don't have to bend over backwards to get what you paid for. On Wed, Dec 16, 2009 at 8:17 PM, Michael Wosnick mwosn...@rogers.comwrote: An interesting nuance you propose. It wasn't exactly mailed to me unsolicited. I purposefully and in good faith ordered X, they delivered Y in error. Granted it is THEIR error, but how does that justify me just keeping what isn't mine From: tjpa t...@tjpa.com To: COMPUTERGUYS-L@LISTSERV.AOL.COM Sent: Wed, December 16, 2009 7:03:45 PM Subject: Re: [CGUYS] Swapping Boot Drives On Dec 16, 2009, at 7:48 AM, Michael Wosnick wrote: Because I assume that if I keep it, then sooner or later I will have to PAY for it. At about $6K list price t is 4x more than my budget :( Unless the laws have changed a lot I believe you are allowed to keep stuff that is mailed to you unsolicited. I would offer them to call it even. * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** * * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** *
Re: [CGUYS] XP Pro problems
On 12/16/2009 1:17 AM, mike wrote: In my experience, it seems like video card manufacturers are always updating their drivers, I got in the habit of keeping older ones around for just what Tom is talking about. Until they stop supporting the card. * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** *
Re: [CGUYS] need lots of PCI slots???
On 12/16/2009 10:57 AM, Stewart Marshall wrote: Intel came up with a BTX form factor. Stewart You are right. I just crashed head first into 'duh'. * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** *
Re: [CGUYS] XP Pro problems
Could be...Nvidia goes back a ways with drivers. And there are always third party sites that keep old drivers around. And if you are really adventurous you can download custom made drivers just for the card you have. On Wed, Dec 16, 2009 at 8:50 PM, Christopher Range lcms0...@comcast.netwrote: On 12/16/2009 1:17 AM, mike wrote: In my experience, it seems like video card manufacturers are always updating their drivers, I got in the habit of keeping older ones around for just what Tom is talking about. Until they stop supporting the card. * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** * * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** *
Re: [CGUYS] need lots of PCI slots???
On 12/16/2009 11:12 AM, Tony B wrote: Well, as you've seen by now this isn't the case. The OP clings to the belief that he needs all these PCI slots because he thinks the onboard equivalents don't work as well. I'm not sure where he got that idea, but I doubt we'll be changing his mind in our lifetimes. Since the only card he would actually be putting in these slots is a sound card, it still makes no sense to need more than one or two PCI slots. Think about, a motherboard manufacturer's goal is to make motherboard's. They don't focus entirely on, good quality graphics or, good quality sound. I have looked at the difference between my motherboard's graphics function and, my video card. My video card is better. The same goes for my sound card. It doesn't make sense to you. But it certainly makes sense to me. Another camp fears that all the onboard devices will fail at some point and they will need PCI slots to use to prevent having to replace the mobo. They haven't actually had this experience, but their overwhelming *fear* of it happening will probably guide their choices for many years to come. Again, they apparently haven't actually counted how many PCI slots would be needed to replace all the broken onboard devices. One I think (audio), although there are USB audio solutions also. While you are correct, I haven't counted. I still consider it overdependence on the motherboard, to plug in everything under the sun, directly into the motherboard. Hitachi drives are currently the best drives on the market. They're built to higher specs, that's why they cost a bit more. They may be overkill for most people. If you had a bad experience with one then it's probably no great loss as you have many other viable choices for average systems. Hitachi is a moot point, in that, I am not debating the quality of their drives. So I take your word for it. * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** *
Re: [CGUYS] Consternation over Computer Constipation (including Mac's) - help!
mike wrote: Well you said yourself you found the windows startbar more useful than the os x dock? Perhaps take this chance to tell him how to use the dock better? This is the kind of stuff he was talking about earlier, he voices some opinions and complaints etc, and he gets told to shut it and he's wrong and learn how to use it. How about some advice? Or maybe ask him specifically what the issue is... Exactly... I'd love to know if there are any dock replacements or add ons out there that: 1. Lock the infernal icons so that inexperienced users can't poof them 2. Make the dock superficially display icons for every window running whether it is maximized or not. You say he is carping about 'supposed' UI problems..but you and I both know you don't think OS X is perfect in this catagory, so why continue this myth that it is? I'm curious about that too... db On Wed, Dec 16, 2009 at 12:50 PM, tjpa t...@tjpa.com wrote: On Dec 16, 2009, at 1:49 PM, db wrote: So I got particular... put down some of my exact observations and experience about OS X tech inefficiencies that get in my way and are surprisingly and noticeably unintuitive and that I would like changed. I'm particularly disappointed that this thread has continued to carp about some supposed user interface problems when it is really PEBKAC. Why the opposition to learning how to use a tool better? * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** * * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** * * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** *
Re: [CGUYS] need lots of PCI slots???
On 12/16/2009 2:13 PM, Tony B wrote: A memory I'd successfully blocked out until now. I got my monstrosity late one Saturday night as it was the only case they had with the brand new ATX form. Lots of space to play around inside, but with a menacing aspect due to its sheer size. Anyway, it too saw the dump a couple years ago. The only way, my tower case will end up in the dumpster, is if, it gets damaged to the point of being unusable. * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** *
Re: [CGUYS] Consternation over Computer Constipation (including Mac's) - help!
Some of my OS X complaints were oriented to my personal efficiencies and preference re: Menu's and Docks/ Taskbars but my other motivation in commenting is because frequently I am responsible for lab type workstation pools (of Macs, Win and Linux machines) that highly pressured misc. non-computing professionals use and at times I train people to do things on those platforms also. So no matter what I am willing or not willing to do for myself... I still constantly struggle with people who are struggling with these OSX (and increasing Win... ) issues I mentioned. And I'm inherently aVERY lazy guy. Every mt. I climb means I then have left the time and energy for one less mt. Troublesome interface design is troublesome design ... it's affects of inefficiency / wasted time and resources constantly roll downhill on all comers over and over and over and over ad finitum. Great interface design is always rewarded ... but it's truly hard to do The only people not affected by bad interface are professionals who have either figured out the issues so long ago they have forgotten or bring to the table so much collected IT knowledge and capability that they don't even notice that non professionals / non geeks are stumped ... think the interface is from outerspace. Some of you guys know so much that you have forgotten what you didn't know when you started out ... and that's where a lot of the rest of the world is. Great design and empathy are terrific things... not only can they make the world better... they can both make you money. Ok, ... I'll get off my soap box... But I still think it's a good and worthy discussion... db tjpa wrote: On Dec 16, 2009, at 1:49 PM, db wrote: So I got particular... put down some of my exact observations and experience about OS X tech inefficiencies that get in my way and are surprisingly and noticeably unintuitive and that I would like changed. I'm particularly disappointed that this thread has continued to carp about some supposed user interface problems when it is really PEBKAC. Why the opposition to learning how to use a tool better? * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** * * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** *
Re: [CGUYS] need lots of PCI slots???
On 12/16/2009 1:58 PM, tjpa wrote: On Dec 16, 2009, at 1:39 AM, Christopher Range wrote: I didn't have a nightmare experience that necessitates having that many slots. Just the thought of having that much dependence on the motherboard, when the functions of a peripheral card is far better than the sub-standard garbage on the motherboard, is what causes me to need that many slots.. Don't bad mouth mother! Not all mobos are crap. Show me one, that won't have a sub-standard video, audio or, USB port. The ones' on my motherboard are v1.1. The USB/Firewire Combo card is v2.0 * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** *
Re: [CGUYS] need lots of PCI slots???
Hitachi was to me :) On Wed, Dec 16, 2009 at 9:13 PM, Christopher Range lcms0...@comcast.netwrote: Hitachi is a moot point, in that, I am not debating the quality of their drives. So I take your word for it. * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** *
Re: [CGUYS] Consternation over Computer Constipation (including Mac's) - help!
tjpa wrote: On Dec 16, 2009, at 3:06 PM, mike wrote: Well you said yourself you found the windows startbar more useful than the os x dock? Perhaps take this chance to tell him how to use the dock better? Someone asking a question will get an answer. Someone posting a long list of gripes will get an overall assessment. What do you mean? db * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** *
Re: [CGUYS] Consternation over Computer Constipation (including Mac's) - help!
Quoting mike xha...@gmail.com: All my keyboards say 'F1' and 'HELP' underneath the F1...I think even noobs Really? I don't believe that I've ever seen that. * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** *
Re: [CGUYS] need lots of PCI slots???
That's not sub standard, you just have old. There are a lot of nice mobos with built in 5.1 surround...digital audio out..etc etc, I have one, it's got fantastic sound. They carry the same chipsets the cards you buy. On Wed, Dec 16, 2009 at 9:19 PM, Christopher Range lcms0...@comcast.netwrote: On 12/16/2009 1:58 PM, tjpa wrote: On Dec 16, 2009, at 1:39 AM, Christopher Range wrote: I didn't have a nightmare experience that necessitates having that many slots. Just the thought of having that much dependence on the motherboard, when the functions of a peripheral card is far better than the sub-standard garbage on the motherboard, is what causes me to need that many slots.. Don't bad mouth mother! Not all mobos are crap. Show me one, that won't have a sub-standard video, audio or, USB port. The ones' on my motherboard are v1.1. The USB/Firewire Combo card is v2.0 * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** * * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** *
Re: [CGUYS] need lots of PCI slots???
How old is that MB? The last MB I bought had HDMI Video, USB 2.0 and Firewire built onto the Motherboard. The audio is not half bad. (Oh Also 10/100/1000 ethernet) I cant remember but I think it had Nvidia chip set for Video. I don't game so not a big deal, but I still think it was 128 MB for video. There is usually some pretty good video on MB's sold today. Laptops tend to lowball video with an INtel video chipset. My work laptop has an ATI chip set. Stewart At 10:19 PM 12/16/2009, you wrote: Show me one, that won't have a sub-standard video, audio or, USB port. The ones' on my motherboard are v1.1. The USB/Firewire Combo card is v2.0 Rev. Stewart A. Marshall mailto:popoz...@earthlink.net Prince of Peace www.princeofpeaceozark.org Ozark, AL SL 82 * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** *
Re: [CGUYS] Consternation over Computer Constipation (including Mac's) - help!
Some of mine do also. These are after market keyboards not the cheap included in a package ones. I usually buy a MS or Logitech after market cordless bundle. Stewart At 10:25 PM 12/16/2009, you wrote: Quoting mike xha...@gmail.com: All my keyboards say 'F1' and 'HELP' underneath the F1...I think even noobs Really? I don't believe that I've ever seen that. * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** * * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** *
Re: [CGUYS] Consternation over Computer Constipation (including Mac's) - help!
I found search horrid in XP and win2k...vista better, 7 has been great but not perfect. I can open any program or utility, control panel, management tool I want right from the start menu. Easy. I have thousands of mp3's, loads and loads of pics etc...I run a program called everything that is small and all it does is index filenames...searches with this are done in real time, zero wait. On Wed, Dec 16, 2009 at 9:19 PM, b_s-wilk b1sun...@yahoo.es wrote: Uhh. Mkay, if you can't figure out where to go from there, perhaps you should not be using a computer. How about clicking on the word Help? Frankly, I don't see how a noob is going to make the connection in OSX to click on an oval shaped white spot at the top right of the Finder window and type help into that. If someone is that clueless about computers they really should get some assistance. It would be an interesting exercise to put some 100% no nothing (about computers) people in front of a few computer systems and see how they make out with no help whatsoever. I have seven apps open now. Each has Help in the menu at the top of the screen as the last menu item. There's also a spyglass or magnifying glass icon at the far right of the screen for searches. The Help menu is pretty straighforward, not revealed by pressing an F-Key or in a Start menu. My aluminum keyboard doesn't have a Help key, although I could program one if I wanted. Noobs don't need that. All they have to do is look at the display and the word Help is at the top in menus for each program. The thing I don't understand is searching in Windows. Windows used to have the best search features, many times better than on Classic Mac. Now any time I search for something, even if I'm looking at the file, Windows can't find it. Yes, I could do an advanced search, but most people wouldn't do that. So if you want to search for Help files, Windows might not find them. Mac OS X.5 isn't quite as bad, but its default is search by content instead of by name, and you can't change it until after the results appear. * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** * * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** *
Re: [CGUYS] need lots of PCI slots???
Unless you are looking at 200-300 sound cards. I have seen extreme gamers put more into peripheral sound cards and video cards than into the MB/Memory/Harddrive setup. Remember PT Barnum's axiom there is a sucker born every minute. They make the mistake and think price=quality and usability. Or to put it another way, they have more money than brains and common sense. Stewart At 10:32 PM 12/16/2009, you wrote: That's not sub standard, you just have old. There are a lot of nice mobos with built in 5.1 surround...digital audio out..etc etc, I have one, it's got fantastic sound. They carry the same chipsets the cards you buy. * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** *
Re: [CGUYS] Consternation over Computer Constipation (including Mac's) - help!
Quoting b_s-wilk b1sun...@yahoo.es: Uhh. Mkay, if you can't figure out where to go from there, perhaps you should not be using a computer. How about clicking on the word Help? I have seven apps open now. Each has Help in the menu at the top of the screen as the last menu item. There's also a spyglass or magnifying glass icon at the far right of the screen for searches. The Help menu is pretty straighforward, not revealed by pressing an F-Key or in a Start menu. Yeah, actually, I noticed that after I sent that email. (-: All of Window's windows have Help on the menu bar too. Turns out, you can't hide/minimize *all* your windows in OSX anyway. Just tried it with Com-H and no matter what window way last, it wouldn't go away. Maybe there are other ways to do it, but. . . * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** *
Re: [CGUYS] Consternation over Computer Constipation (including Mac's) - help!
Quoting mike xha...@gmail.com: Right, I can see the control panel issue, they took them and grouped em in Actually, I was talking about the Control Panel item on the left side of the Explorer window. Sometimes there. Sometimes not. Vista and it's not clear how to ungroup them in 7. Network Somewhere in there in Win7 there's a Show all Control Panel items option that, I believe, shows them as an un-grouped list. I still like the old way. Call me a Ludite. * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** *
Re: [CGUYS] Consternation over Computer Constipation (including Mac's) - help!
I have seven apps open now. Each has Help in the menu at the top of the screen as the last menu item. There's also a spyglass or magnifying glass icon at the far right of the screen for searches. The Help menu is pretty straighforward, not revealed by pressing an F-Key or in a Start menu. Yeah, actually, I noticed that after I sent that email. (-: All of Window's windows have Help on the menu bar too. Turns out, you can't hide/minimize *all* your windows in OSX anyway. Just tried it with Com-H and no matter what window way last, it wouldn't go away. Maybe there are other ways to do it, but. . . Why do you want to hide all windows? Does that include windows in a program you're using? I hide Preview when I'm working in Photoshop, but don't usually hide others. I can hide all windows except in the program I'm using. For those windows, I can minimize to the dock or use WindowShade X [haxie from Unsanity] to minimize in place. I can use Exposé [System Preferences -- Exposé Spaces] to view all open windows, or hide them to view the photo on my desktop. When I search for hide windows in the Finder's Help menu, it shows how to do this. Betty * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** *
Re: [CGUYS] need lots of PCI slots???
On 12/16/2009 11:37 PM, Rev. Stewart Marshall wrote: How old is that MB? Sept.'01 The last MB I bought had HDMI Video, USB 2.0 and Firewire built onto the Motherboard. The audio is not half bad. (Oh Also 10/100/1000 ethernet) It doesn't have the capability of HDMI Video. The USB on the motherboard is, not only 1.1, it also only has two USB slots. No Ethernet connection. I cant remember but I think it had Nvidia chip set for Video. I am not sure about the video chipset. I don't game so not a big deal, but I still think it was 128 MB for video. I think the on-board VRAM is only 128MB There is usually some pretty good video on MB's sold today. What is a good motherboard search engine? Laptops tend to lowball video with an INtel video chipset. ok My work laptop has an ATI chip set. Stewart I am not sure what my Netbook has. But my tower has the V694T chipset. Christopher * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** *
Re: [CGUYS] Consternation over Computer Constipation (including Mac's) - help!
1. Lock the infernal icons so that inexperienced users can't poof them 2. Make the dock superficially display icons for every window running whether it is maximized or not. Is your dock at the bottom of the screen? I've never poofed icons from the dock when it's on the left. I have done that in the sidebar of Finder windows, but that's easy to fix. It's just another D'Oh moment, though. In the top menu, there's almost always a menu for Window which lists the open windows in a program. With many programs and windows open, it wouldn't help to have them in the Dock since the icons would be too small to see. Only minimized windows have Dock icons, and only for the program you're using at the time. Use Exposé to see or hide all windows. * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** *
Re: [CGUYS] Consternation over Computer Constipation (including Mac's) - help!
I have used a dock app in windows that mimics the OS X dock, I'd have to say with those new 27 imacs and those MASSIVE resolutions, you'd have to have about 300 programs open before they'd be too small. This just boils down to which you prefer, I liked having all windows showing in the dock because I used it to switch apps. On Wed, Dec 16, 2009 at 11:20 PM, b_s-wilk b1sun...@yahoo.es wrote: 1. Lock the infernal icons so that inexperienced users can't poof them 2. Make the dock superficially display icons for every window running whether it is maximized or not. Is your dock at the bottom of the screen? I've never poofed icons from the dock when it's on the left. I have done that in the sidebar of Finder windows, but that's easy to fix. It's just another D'Oh moment, though. In the top menu, there's almost always a menu for Window which lists the open windows in a program. With many programs and windows open, it wouldn't help to have them in the Dock since the icons would be too small to see. Only minimized windows have Dock icons, and only for the program you're using at the time. Use Exposé to see or hide all windows. * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** * * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** *
