Re: [CGUYS] Windows 7 pain
I have used it successfully to move PC's from one machine to another with a clean install and the former install. I t does want two machines though, but it works great, only draw back is it is a once use program. Must buy a separate license each tome you move it. Limited and costly. Another part of the buyers remorse thing that happens after the real cost of Windows is tallied. Then use what comes with Windows. http://adacosta.spaces.live.com/blog/cns!E8E5CC039D51E3DB!23641.entry * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** *
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On Jun 9, 2009, at 5:40 PM, Jeff Wright wrote: Then use what comes with Windows. http://adacosta.spaces.live.com/blog/cns!E8E5CC039D51E3DB!23641.entry And what about my applications? This does the easy part and leaves me stuck with the hard part. * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** *
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There are plenty of W7 drivers- including NVidia. My machine is running just fine- the upgrade took less than 1.5 hours-mostly because MS kept telling me what programs might not work (the same one it told me would not work with Vista- which I did have to modify). It took more than 6 hours to upgrade to Vista from XP. I know the logic about clean installs- but it would take more than 20 hours for me to reinstall my programs (and that assumes I can still find the install disks- and NOT have to install an older version followed by the upgrade since I have at least five progams that have upgrade disks not the original install disks). My computer is maxed out at 3 Gigs of RAM (but I am NOT running 64 bit anyway). It now runs at 25% vs 45% on Vista. The problem I have seen is that most vendors have NOT made drivers for 64 bits (Adobe, Dragon, Western Digital [external drive/webaccess- but we made our own for the client], etc.)- no matter what flavor software you use. Hence, you can't run them and use more memory... From: Tony B ton...@gmail.com Sent: Sunday, June 07, 2009 11:48 PM To: COMPUTERGUYS-L@LISTSERV.AOL.COM Subject: Re: [CGUYS] Windows 7 pain Actually, I do. There are no obvious defects in it as it stands. Nor are there any defects in Vista, though driver support was woefully slow to materialize. And I bet the same will be true of Win7. I wonder how many engineers at e.g. Nvidia are working on Win7 drivers right now? Probably none. They'll wait until the release date, then they'll schedule a meeting, then they'll discuss it a while. Many manufacturers will then decide not to update drivers at all, instead preferring to have everyone throw away the old hardware and buy new. On Sun, Jun 7, 2009 at 11:39 PM, t.piwowar wrote: 1) You don't want Win7 right now. It will be a year or two before M$ works out the defects. Meanwhile you will you will be using XP, a version that has been worked on long enough to have fixed many of the worse defects. * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** * * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** *
Re: [CGUYS] Windows 7 pain
1) You don't want Win7 right now. It will be a year or two before M$ works out the defects. Meanwhile you will you will be using XP, a version that has been worked on long enough to have fixed many of the worse defects. I can hear Tom now at home now, whimpering like Dr. Smith from Lost in Space, Oh, Will, the pain, the pain. I simply can't bear to try it MS is actually ahead of the game in driver support; they've insisted that there won't be the problem as there was with Vista and so far, that claim has been delivered. When I installed the beta on a new laptop at work, Dell had no video drivers on their site that would install. All would bork out claiming the OS wasn't supported, even for Vista drivers. Instead, I used the Windows update driver function and had it pull down drivers from the MS database. Viola! Video drivers that worked. In fact, *all* of the other drivers were native to the OS. Other than that, my Win7 experience has been almost boring in that regard; no problems at all. So, again, I ask, who should you listen to? Someone like Tom who's never even touched Windows 7 or from people who have actual experience installing and using it? (And no, you don't *have* to upgrade.) * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** *
Re: [CGUYS] Windows 7 pain
I've been running the Beta for Win7 for a couple of weeks on a four year old machine (HP Pavillion a720n- Athalon XP 2.2ghz). XP was due for a reinstall so I thought that I would play around with Win7. It runs OK except when iTunes gets going but that was how iTunes ran in XP on that machine. On Mon, Jun 8, 2009 at 8:11 AM, Jeff Wright jswri...@gmail.com wrote: 1) You don't want Win7 right now. It will be a year or two before M$ works out the defects. Meanwhile you will you will be using XP, a version that has been worked on long enough to have fixed many of the worse defects. I can hear Tom now at home now, whimpering like Dr. Smith from Lost in Space, Oh, Will, the pain, the pain. I simply can't bear to try it MS is actually ahead of the game in driver support; they've insisted that there won't be the problem as there was with Vista and so far, that claim has been delivered. When I installed the beta on a new laptop at work, Dell had no video drivers on their site that would install. All would bork out claiming the OS wasn't supported, even for Vista drivers. Instead, I used the Windows update driver function and had it pull down drivers from the MS database. Viola! Video drivers that worked. In fact, *all* of the other drivers were native to the OS. Other than that, my Win7 experience has been almost boring in that regard; no problems at all. So, again, I ask, who should you listen to? Someone like Tom who's never even touched Windows 7 or from people who have actual experience installing and using it? (And no, you don't *have* to upgrade.) * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** * -- John Duncan Yoyo ---o) * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** *
Re: [CGUYS] Windows 7 pain
On Jun 8, 2009, at 6:50 AM, Roy Ackerman,Ph.D.,P.Ch.E.,E.A. wrote: I know the logic about clean installs- but it would take more than 20 hours for me to reinstall my programs (and that assumes I can still find the install disks- and NOT have to install an older version followed by the upgrade since I have at least five progams that have upgrade disks not the original install disks). OS X supports a fresh install of the OS and then migrates applications and user settings over. It works very well, even retaining product activation for many applications. Is there no third- party vendor who has figured out how to do the same for Windows? * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** *
Re: [CGUYS] Windows 7 pain
On Jun 8, 2009, at 8:11 AM, Jeff Wright wrote: I can hear Tom now at home now, whimpering like Dr. Smith from Lost in Space, Oh, Will, the pain, the pain. I simply can't bear to try it Correction, if you are a computer hobbyist in need to massive entertainment then by all means go get W7. In fact you should be playing with the beta now. If you use your computer to preform useful tasks, especially tasks that earn you money, give it a year or two. * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** *
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Tom, Tom, Tom--- For those of us who work - with real things- we do employ Windows. Financial, Science, and Engineering (ok, the first doesn't make anything either)- rely on Windows Apps. You are welcome to use your Mac, I am more than proficient at completing multiple assignments using my base. And, like the terrible modem apps, I run rings around those of you completing my tasks compared to those on the Mac. To each his own- but let's keep delusions and persnicketiness relegated to the politicians. Eschew Obfuscation This is a reply from: Roy A. Ackerman, Ph.D., E.A. Financial, Managerial, and Technical Services for the Professional, Non-Profit, and the Entrepreneurial Organization 703.548.1343 voice 703.783.1340 fax From thinking to doing, from sales to profits, from tax to investments- we are YOUR adjuvancy -Original Message- From: Computer Guys Discussion List [mailto:computerguy...@listserv.aol.com] On Behalf Of t.piwowar Sent: 06/08/2009 10:41 AM To: COMPUTERGUYS-L@LISTSERV.AOL.COM Subject: Re: [CGUYS] Windows 7 pain On Jun 8, 2009, at 8:11 AM, Jeff Wright wrote: I can hear Tom now at home now, whimpering like Dr. Smith from Lost in Space, Oh, Will, the pain, the pain. I simply can't bear to try it Correction, if you are a computer hobbyist in need to massive entertainment then by all means go get W7. In fact you should be playing with the beta now. If you use your computer to preform useful tasks, especially tasks that earn you money, give it a year or two. * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** * * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** *
Re: [CGUYS] Windows 7 pain
On Jun 8, 2009, at 10:42 AM, Rev. Stewart Marshall wrote: Yes there is. Please tell us. This would be very useful for many of us (even me!). * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** *
Re: [CGUYS] Windows 7 pain
Laplink PC Mover I have used it successfully to move PC's from one machine to another with a clean install and the former install. I t does want two machines though, but it works great, only draw back is it is a once use program. Must buy a separate license each tome you move it. I have not used it with XP to Vista, but it does a wonderful XP - XP move and is supposed to be good from XP-Vista also. Buy the full one with the high speed USB cable. Stewart At 09:56 AM 6/8/2009, you wrote: On Jun 8, 2009, at 10:42 AM, Rev. Stewart Marshall wrote: Yes there is. Please tell us. This would be very useful for many of us (even me!). * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** * Rev. Stewart A. Marshall mailto:popoz...@earthlink.net Prince of Peace www.princeofpeaceozark.org Ozark, AL SL 82 * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** *
Re: [CGUYS] Windows 7 pain
On Jun 8, 2009, at 11:14 AM, Roy A. Ackerman, Ph.D., E.A. wrote: For those of us who work - with real things- we do employ Windows. Financial, Science, and Engineering (ok, the first doesn't make anything either)- rely on Windows Apps. I also tell Mac folks to not adopt new versions too quickly. When OS X.5 was released I told folks to wait for X.5.2 or X.5.3. For most of my clients we waited for X.5.5. Back at Apple's big transition I entirely skipped X.0, X.1, and X.2 as not ready for prime time. The first good version was X.3.3, I number I remember well. Then X.3.4 and X.4.5 introduced bugs so I skipped them too. I see no reason to rush out and buy new versions. Especially so when the older version is now well known and stable. To my eye, telling people to immediately rush out to get the new release, just makes WFBs look more foolish. * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** *
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On Jun 8, 2009, at 12:16 PM, Jeff Wright wrote: Agreed, except that unless you have set yourself up to run as a non-admin, Win7 is far more secure than XP out of the box. This is just advertising for a operating system that is still in beta. You have no way to know that it is true. Spouting such marketing blather reduces your credibility to zero. * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** *
Re: [CGUYS] Windows 7 pain
Have used that for XP to XP and XP to Vista. Have also used the Windows Migration successfully (XP to Vista and XP to XP. Works for files and settings- NOT computer programs. Works best over IP.) There are five other programs of which I am aware- this one is the fastest (but NOT the cheapest). SoftRescue is probably a second choice. Eschew Obfuscation This is a reply from: Roy A. Ackerman, Ph.D., E.A. Financial, Managerial, and Technical Services for the Professional, Non-Profit, and the Entrepreneurial Organization 703.548.1343 voice 703.783.1340 fax From thinking to doing, from sales to profits, from tax to investments- we are YOUR adjuvancy -Original Message- From: Computer Guys Discussion List [mailto:computerguy...@listserv.aol.com] On Behalf Of Rev. Stewart Marshall Sent: 06/08/2009 11:40 AM To: COMPUTERGUYS-L@LISTSERV.AOL.COM Subject: Re: [CGUYS] Windows 7 pain Laplink PC Mover I have used it successfully to move PC's from one machine to another with a clean install and the former install. I t does want two machines though, but it works great, only draw back is it is a once use program. Must buy a separate license each tome you move it. I have not used it with XP to Vista, but it does a wonderful XP - XP move and is supposed to be good from XP-Vista also. Buy the full one with the high speed USB cable. Stewart At 09:56 AM 6/8/2009, you wrote: On Jun 8, 2009, at 10:42 AM, Rev. Stewart Marshall wrote: Yes there is. Please tell us. This would be very useful for many of us (even me!). * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** * Rev. Stewart A. Marshall mailto:popoz...@earthlink.net Prince of Peace www.princeofpeaceozark.org Ozark, AL SL 82 * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** * * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** *
Re: [CGUYS] Windows 7 pain
Your statement (security) may only be true because it is new and no one has built attacks against it yet. Eschew Obfuscation This is a reply from: Roy A. Ackerman, Ph.D., E.A. -Truncated Message- From: Computer Guys Discussion List [mailto:computerguy...@listserv.aol.com] On Behalf Of Jeff Wright Sent: 06/08/2009 12:17 PM To: COMPUTERGUYS-L@LISTSERV.AOL.COM Subject: Re: [CGUYS] Windows 7 pain I see no reason to rush out and buy new versions. Especially so when the older version is now well known and stable. Agreed, except that unless you have set yourself up to run as a non-admin, Win7 is far more secure than XP out of the box. * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** *
Re: [CGUYS] Windows 7 pain
This is just advertising for a operating system that is still in beta. You have no way to know that it is true. Spouting such marketing blather reduces your credibility to zero. O Rlly? You and others keep telling us how 7 is little more than Vista 2nd Ed. and Vista is many times more secure out of the box than XP. I'm not sure why I bothered to reply, given your total and complete level of ignorance regarding this OS. * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** *
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Your statement (security) may only be true because it is new and no one has built attacks against it yet. Not so. Not running with admin rights by default, as you do with XP, is much more secure, period. YMMV. With Vista and 7, you run with reduced rights until you need to perform an action that requires elevated permissions. UAC performs that function. This is not to say that UAC is the best implementation of that function, I'd rather have a password prompt, but it seems to be working. * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** *
Re: [CGUYS] Windows 7 pain
On Mon, Jun 8, 2009 at 12:35 PM, t.piwowar t...@tjpa.com wrote: On Jun 8, 2009, at 12:16 PM, Jeff Wright wrote: Agreed, except that unless you have set yourself up to run as a non-admin, Win7 is far more secure than XP out of the box. This is just advertising for a operating system that is still in beta. You have no way to know that it is true. Spouting such marketing blather reduces your credibility to zero. Given what security features that are switched on in Vista/Win7 when first installed that were off by design in XP it isn't that high a hurdle to jump. -- John Duncan Yoyo ---o) * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** *
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Given what security features that are switched on in Vista/Win7 when first installed that were off by design in XP it isn't that high a hurdle to jump. Even so, this doesn't detract from the validity of the statement. Vista/7 are far more secure than XP in a default installation, what the vast majority of home users will run. XP can be made secure. I have about 100 people running XP as a non-hardened LUA user and IE as their only browser, with only client-based anti-virus and a perimeter firewall. We haven't had a malware issue since 2002, when we still ran Win98 and the virus came in on a system that had a non-functioning A/V via web mail. * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** *
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Okay, so it is buzzword compliant. But how does it work in the real world? You don't know and I don't know. All I have to go on is the company's past track record of broken promises about security. All you have to go on is a list of buzzwords from their PR department and some limited personal testing. So all this proves is that your gullibility score is much higher than mine. On Jun 8, 2009, at 1:48 PM, Chris Dunford wrote: Agreed, except that unless you have set yourself up to run as a non-admin, Win7 is far more secure than XP out of the box. This is just advertising for a operating system that is still in beta. You have no way to know that it is true. Spouting such marketing blather reduces your credibility to zero. Yeah, except...no. XP doesn't have kernel patch protection, service hardening, data execution prevention, address space layout randomization, mandatory integrity levels, UAC, BitLocker, AppLocker, or DirectAccess. * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** *
Re: [CGUYS] Windows 7 pain
On Jun 8, 2009, at 1:35 PM, Jeff Wright wrote: O Rlly? You and others keep telling us how 7 is little more than Vista 2nd Ed. and Vista is many times more secure out of the box than XP. We do not define security by comparing said new version to XP. That is setting the bar much too low. Once again you are trying to cheat. * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** *
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Then we'll compare it to OS X...oh wait...that was taken out in seconds at the last pwn to own contest... On Mon, Jun 8, 2009 at 1:40 PM, t.piwowar t...@tjpa.com wrote: On Jun 8, 2009, at 1:35 PM, Jeff Wright wrote: O Rlly? You and others keep telling us how 7 is little more than Vista 2nd Ed. and Vista is many times more secure out of the box than XP. We do not define security by comparing said new version to XP. That is setting the bar much too low. Once again you are trying to cheat. * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** * * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** *
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Limited personal testing for months...proves you know a lot less then me. On Mon, Jun 8, 2009 at 1:37 PM, t.piwowar t...@tjpa.com wrote: Okay, so it is buzzword compliant. But how does it work in the real world? You don't know and I don't know. All I have to go on is the company's past track record of broken promises about security. All you have to go on is a list of buzzwords from their PR department and some limited personal testing. So all this proves is that your gullibility score is much higher than mine. On Jun 8, 2009, at 1:48 PM, Chris Dunford wrote: Agreed, except that unless you have set yourself up to run as a non-admin, Win7 is far more secure than XP out of the box. This is just advertising for a operating system that is still in beta. You have no way to know that it is true. Spouting such marketing blather reduces your credibility to zero. Yeah, except...no. XP doesn't have kernel patch protection, service hardening, data execution prevention, address space layout randomization, mandatory integrity levels, UAC, BitLocker, AppLocker, or DirectAccess. * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** * * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** *
Re: [CGUYS] Windows 7 pain
Rev. Stewart Marshall Most vista drivers are supposed to work out of the box. So far I only found one that did not, and it was HP which is notoriously slow in releasing updates. A friend of mine at work ended up buying another XP system when the scanner vendor wouldn't supply Vista drivers (and didn't have plans to supply them, the machine was no longer being sold, etc.) -- Take care | This clown speaks for himself, his job doesn't Wayne D. | supply this, at least not directly I've seen better legs in a bucket of chicken ... * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** *
[CGUYS] Windows 7 pain
Here in Brazil the news are in the papers. Microsoft will start selling Windows 7 on October 22. To my dismay no upgrade from XP. Only from Vista. And I have a brasilian XP Home and a US XP Professional. I have a Vista to put on the top of the XP Professional...and...then... Windows 7? I guess I will have to start from scratch with my new office computer that has XP Home. Hate that! Why is microsoft doing this to me? Marcio * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** *
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At 10:19 PM -0300 6/7/09, Marcio wrote: Here in Brazil the news are in the papers. Microsoft will start selling Windows 7 on October 22. To my dismay no upgrade from XP. Only from Vista. And I have a brasilian XP Home and a US XP Professional. I have a Vista to put on the top of the XP Professional...and...then... Windows 7? I guess I will have to start from scratch with my new office computer that has XP Home. Hate that! Why is microsoft doing this to me? They're not, Marcio. You are doing it to yourself. You do not HAVE to upgrade if what you have does everything you want it to do. Keep using what you have, and when it needs replacement in a year or two, then you will get the latest and greatest already installed. Don't bother to upgrade. -- Roger Lovettsville, VA * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** *
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You of all people should know by now that when you install a new version of Windows you should do it clean. Don't upgrade. Besides, as I recall, you bought that (those?) machine(s) long after Vista was out, but you stubbornly insisted on XP. We have a saying in the US: You made your bed, now you have to lie in it. On Sun, Jun 7, 2009 at 9:19 PM, Marciom...@ix.netcom.com wrote: Here in Brazil the news are in the papers. Microsoft will start selling Windows 7 on October 22. To my dismay no upgrade from XP. Only from Vista. And I have a brasilian XP Home and a US XP Professional. I have a Vista to put on the top of the XP Professional...and...then... Windows 7? I guess I will have to start from scratch with my new office computer that has XP Home. Hate that! Why is microsoft doing this to me? * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** *
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Quoting Marcio m...@ix.netcom.com: Here in Brazil the news are in the papers. Microsoft will start selling Windows 7 on October 22. To my dismay no upgrade from XP. Only from Vista. And I have a brasilian XP Home and a US XP Professional. I have a Vista to put on the top of the XP Professional...and...then... Windows 7? I guess I will have to start from scratch with my new office computer that has XP Home. Hate that! Why is microsoft doing this to me? Microsoft isn't doing anything to you. No one says you have to upgrade to Win7 when it comes out. XP is not going to expire on October 23. * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** *
Re: [CGUYS] Windows 7 pain
Here in Brazil the news are in the papers. Microsoft will start selling Windows 7 on October 22. To my dismay no upgrade from XP. Only from Vista. And I have a brasilian XP Home and a US XP Professional. I have a Vista to put on the top of the XP Professional...and...then... Windows 7? I guess I will have to start from scratch with my new office computer that has XP Home. Hate that! Why is microsoft doing this to me? If you're dead-set on upgrading to Win7, then yes, upgrading from the upgraded Vista *should* work, but nothing is for sure at this point, since it's still in beta. The good news is that installing Windows 7 doesn't take as long as it did with XP. It's about 20-30 minute clean install. Upgrades tend to be longer. * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** *
Re: [CGUYS] Windows 7 pain
On Jun 7, 2009, at 9:19 PM, Marcio wrote: Here in Brazil the news are in the papers. Microsoft will start selling Windows 7 on October 22. To my dismay no upgrade from XP. Only from Vista. And I have a brasilian XP Home and a US XP Professional. I have a Vista to put on the top of the XP Professional...and...then... Windows 7? I guess I will have to start from scratch with my new office computer that has XP Home. Hate that! Why is microsoft doing this to me? 1) You don't want Win7 right now. It will be a year or two before M$ works out the defects. Meanwhile you will you will be using XP, a version that has been worked on long enough to have fixed many of the worse defects. 2) The only sensible way to upgrade to a new Windows OS is to erase the drive and install Windows from scratch. So you really have nothing to complain about. Don't think you can upgrade like a Mac user does, Windows is not that kind of technology. * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** *
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Actually, I do. There are no obvious defects in it as it stands. Nor are there any defects in Vista, though driver support was woefully slow to materialize. And I bet the same will be true of Win7. I wonder how many engineers at e.g. Nvidia are working on Win7 drivers right now? Probably none. They'll wait until the release date, then they'll schedule a meeting, then they'll discuss it a while. Many manufacturers will then decide not to update drivers at all, instead preferring to have everyone throw away the old hardware and buy new. On Sun, Jun 7, 2009 at 11:39 PM, t.piwowart...@tjpa.com wrote: 1) You don't want Win7 right now. It will be a year or two before M$ works out the defects. Meanwhile you will you will be using XP, a version that has been worked on long enough to have fixed many of the worse defects. * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** *
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Most vista drivers are supposed to work out of the box. So far I only found one that did not, and it was HP which is notoriously slow in releasing updates. Stewart At 10:46 PM 6/7/2009, you wrote: Actually, I do. There are no obvious defects in it as it stands. Nor are there any defects in Vista, though driver support was woefully slow to materialize. And I bet the same will be true of Win7. I wonder how many engineers at e.g. Nvidia are working on Win7 drivers right now? Probably none. They'll wait until the release date, then they'll schedule a meeting, then they'll discuss it a while. Many manufacturers will then decide not to update drivers at all, instead preferring to have everyone throw away the old hardware and buy new. On Sun, Jun 7, 2009 at 11:39 PM, t.piwowart...@tjpa.com wrote: 1) You don't want Win7 right now. It will be a year or two before M$ works out the defects. Meanwhile you will you will be using XP, a version that has been worked on long enough to have fixed many of the worse defects. * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** * Rev. Stewart A. Marshall mailto:popoz...@earthlink.net Prince of Peace www.princeofpeaceozark.org Ozark, AL SL 82 * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** *
Re: [CGUYS] Windows 7 pain
1) You don't want Win7 right now. It will be a year or two before M$ works out the defects. Do you laugh when you write this ridiculous stuff? Because it really reminds me of that I told them we already had one! line from Holy Grail. * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** *
