Re: [CTRL] 10 Reasons To Legalize ALL Drugs

2000-05-15 Thread Tenorlove

From what I've seen, the 2 biggest moneymakers must now be Zithromax,
an antibiotic, and Lipitor, a cholesterol-lowering drug. Neither is
available as a generic, neither are in insurance company formularies,
hence, you pay through the nose for them. And I wouldn't be surprised
if the doctors are getting kickbacks, because they refuse to prescribe
lower-priced meds, even if one is available for the condition.


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Re: [CTRL] DECLARATION OF KATHLEEN GALLANT (fwd)

2000-05-15 Thread Prudence L. Kuhn

In a message dated 05/12/2000 1:28:25 PM Eastern Daylight Time,
[EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:

 DECLARATION OF KATHLEEN GALLANT


 I, Kathleen Gallant, hereby state as follows:


 1. I have personal knowledge of the matters attested to herein.


 2. From January 12, 1998 through October 13,1998, I was the
 Associate Director for the Information Systems and Technology
 Division (IST) of the Executive Office of the President's Office
 of Administration (OA). This position was a political
 appointment. Among my duties, I was responsible for the
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 I currently run an $85 million major business group of an
 information technology company in Northern Virginia with annual 

Obviously something afoot here.  When will we get the stuff from telephone
repair?

Prudy

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Re: [CTRL] 10 Reasons To Legalize ALL Drugs

2000-05-15 Thread Kathleen

On 15 May 00, at 6:19, Tenorlove wrote:


  they refuse to prescribe
 lower-priced meds, even if one is available for the condition.



Cite please?

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[CTRL] How the CIA Spied on Princess Diana

2000-05-15 Thread Kris Millegan

from:alt.politics.org.cia
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Subject: How the CIA Spied on Princess Diana
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Date: Sun, May 14, 2000 1:53 PM
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London Evening Standard
12/10/98
How the CIA spied on Diana

America's three intelligence agencies spied on Princess Diana for years
and learned some of her most intimate secrets, it has been claimed.
Details of the monitoring operation - contained in a l,056-page dossier
- are still classified as top secret a year after her death, according
to reports in the U.S. yesterday.
Much of the material was gathered as part of the security surrounding
Diana on her numerous visits across the Atlantic.
A spokesman for the National Security Agency admitted the existence of
the files.
'The documents are currently and properly classified top-secret,' he
said from the organisation's headquarters in Fort Meade, Maryland.
Sources say the top-secret classification was to keep the lid on how the
U.S. spy agencies gathered the data.
The NSA was aided in the shadowy operation by the CIA and the Defence
Intelligence Agency, which is run by the Pentagon, according to reports
in the New York Daily News and Star magazine.
All three agencies are believed to have tracked Diana's every movement
and conversations on her frequent visits to America and sometimes
elsewhere, both before and after her marriage to Prince Charles had
collapsed.
The secret checking on her personal life is believed to have gone on
until her death in Paris.
Insiders say much of the material in the dossier came from eavesdropping
on private telephone conversations between the Princess and her most
trusted friend - Lucia Flecha de Lima, the wife of the Brazilian
ambassador in Washington.
Diana is said to have poured her heart out to Madame de Lima about her
relationships with Pakistani doctor Hasnat Khan, Dodi Fayed and others.
The CIA is believed to have turned over reports to the British
intelligence community.
Yesterday, the CIA would not comment on the dossier, while the Defence
Intelligence Agency said it only deals in military matters - 'and she
was obviously not military,' said a spokesman.
The NSA, whose experts specialise in phone taps and intercepting faxes
and emails, said it had nearly 300 pages of top-secret information on
Diana that it had either originated or now controlled. This led to the
disclo-sure that the CIA and DIA had more than 700 other classified
documents.
Sources say it was not just her romances that the agencies kept watch on
- virtually every aspect of her troubled life was monitored.
Even phone conversations about her plans for Prince William and Prince
Harry were listened to and then reported back to London.
'The British and American intelligence services are joined at the hip,'
a source told Star magazine. 'They share just about everything.'
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[CTRL] WACO: Carlos Ghigliotty--Forward-Looking Infrared Testing

2000-05-15 Thread lloyd

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Subject: WACO:  Carlos Ghigliotty--Forward-Looking Infrared Testing
Date: Thursday, May 04, 2000 8:58 PM


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Subject: Death of IR Expert


Perhaps you could get this out.

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Referent:
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exper.shtml
http://www.indirect.com/www/dhardy/
http://www.indirect.com/www/dhardy/waco.html
http://www.indirect.com/www/dhardy/Carlos.html


04-29-00

Memorial to a Honest Man

What follows is something I have not been able to reveal prior to
this point. As I mention at the end, I am now released from my
promise of secrecy.

Last year, the House Government Reform Committee retained an
infrared expert named Carlos Ghigliotty, of Laurel, Md. Carlos had
been working on the FLIR (Forward-Looking Infrared) for months, and
shared a lot of his results with me. I'd pass him data when he
needed it, and he knew he could count on me to keep my mouth shut.

Carlos had no politics that I ever noticed, and his interest in
Waco was objective. He had no grudge against the FBI--in fact, they
had once hired him for IR work that their lab was not up to
handling, and he used them as a reference.

Through the committee, Carlos was able to obtain a much better
quality tape than anyone else had. He discovered that when the FBI
gave out "first generation copies," it was in fact giving out
copies of a digitized "master," not of the original analog tape.
Digitization compresses the image, and loses some of its quality.
He demanded and got, through the committee, a copy of the original
tape, on Super VHS, with some other tweakings to make it the most
perfect copy possible.

Then he imported the video into his lab equipment (which I've
seen--VERY impressive). He was thorough, refusing to make a finding
until he had it pinned down from every angle. In one case, he told
me last month, he'd finally managed to link by time and location an
image of a person shouldering a weapon, shown on the regular media
videotapes made from the media locations, with a flash on the FLIR.
That, as far as I was concerned, ended the issue of whether the
flashes were gunshots. The game was simply over. Or would have
been, if he'd lived.

He found nearly 200 suspected gunshots, and had done the work
necessary to verify that many of these were genuine. Understand
that his idea of "verify" wasn't just to see the image. He wanted
to find the shooters, as well, and to plot their movement from one
flash location to another. And he wanted to correlate the FLIR
images to every possible ordinary video image, to see if he could
link up what the media filmed from the side with what the FLIR
registered from overhead.

On the side (and I have no idea why he was analyzing this) he said
it had been determined that almost the entire Waco operation, not
only 2/28 but the siege, had been improperly financed from money
that law enforcement was supposed to use only in the war on drugs.
He said there was plenty of documentation here, showing flow of
money. In the 2/28 videotape, the ATF agents are all trying on new
uniforms, new equipment--everything down to the computers in the
media area of the raid HQ were bought out of money supposed to be
used only in drug enforcement. He said that much or all of the
siege had been financed the same way. There were written standards
in the government for when the drug enforcement money could be
used, and these could be shown to have been violated in black and
white terms. A considerable amount of money had been, well,
embezzled, to support the effort.

Carlos also told me, last month, that he'd seen FLIRs from nights
before 4/19, and that it was apparent that the FLIR aircraft was
being used to monitor the Davidians' water supply. The water was
stored in those big plastic tanks at the rear of the building, and
the coolness of the water inside showed up as a darker area. It was
apparent that the water supply was shrinking, and by 4/19 was
almost gone. He had heard the aircraft crew talking about it, and
noting that the level was going down. So, essentially, they knew
that thirst would force an end to the siege within a few days of
4/19. Which also meant that the FBI officials had lied to Reno when
they said the Davidians had plenty of food and water and the siege
was unlikely to end soon.

While I was in his lab, he showed me some footage where it was
clear, beyond any doubt, that a man was moving in the wreckage of
the gym. The guy gets up from behind one pile of cover and races to
another. In between, you see a very long flash that exists only for
an instant--much longer in terms of physical length than could be
attributed to a gunshot. He said that 

[CTRL] Stand back and watch it fall?

2000-05-15 Thread Ronald L. Wilson

- Original Message -
From: "Bob Stokes" [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Monday, May 15, 2000 12:44 AM
Subject: Re: [CTRL] J. Edgar Hoover Shocker?/ Worker owners of the means of
production.


 In a message dated 00-05-14 21:36:51 EDT, Joshua2 writes:

  But seriously folks...if you want to know more i'll be glad to post
  information about worker ownership of corporations, the means of
production,
  and the mechanisms for turning labor into wealth.

 This has interested me ever since you mentioned it probably a year ago.
The
 big question is how you go about doing this, getting the loans from the
 bankers that support the large corps ... how do you get around the present
 corrupt system?  The notion of anarchy as presented by nessie also holds
my
 interest and Bob Tatman sent me several URLs that has got me thinking.
Kris
 also posted a sort of Anarchist's creed a couple of months ago that I had
 seen before and agreed with in a big way.  I'm most definitely not a
 communist, but I do think that people who provide labor have gotten the
short
 end of the stick.  Never have a worked a job where the Managers of
Engineers
 knew more about the job than the people doing the work.  I also think this
 "economy of scale" crap they teach in college is bad information and just
a
 subtle form of mind control through (lack of) education.

  This is the solution. 

 I think you're right, but is it viable.  Can we people near the bottom of
 society (because we're not rich) turn the tables on government, corps, and
 the bankers?  I would be very interested in your research into this area.
 Post it to the list, I'm sure other people would be interested also.
 Something more than the right-left clap-trap.

 Sincerely,
 Bob Stokes

Bob,

The only way to turn the tables without a fight is through education and
motivation of the masses of American voters. They must be informed and aware
of the many obvious dangers. People just don't seem to care. They are simply
complacent - absorbed in football - lottery - Archie Bunker etc. The
elitists in control of media, education, government etc have brainwashed
voters !

I view the current attitude of civilian gun banning for as just one step
ahead of banning churches!

Many of my friends think the one remaining option is to simply stand back
and watch it fall.

Ron Wilson

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Re: [CTRL] Bill Richer's E-mails continue to freeze my mail.

2000-05-15 Thread Robert F. Tatman

I haven't been seeing problems like this, but in the past I've run into
similar issues with very large messages which seem to clog the download from
a mail server. In Outlook and Outlook Express, you can create a message rule
which will blow out messages larger than 750 kb. I don't believe this is
possible in Netscape, but don't know about Eudora and other mail programs.
You may need to discuss this with your ISP to see if large messages can be
deleted or split serverside.

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From: "Kris Millegan" [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Monday, May 15, 2000 12:05 AM
Subject: Re: [CTRL] Bill Richer's E-mails continue to freeze my mail.


 I am sorry, but I have no idea at all.  I will send to list.serv's
listowner
 help-list.
 Om
 K

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 I send this out to Kris Milligan, Bill Richer, and the CTRL List.
 
 
 
 I repeatedly have "mail freeze ups" -- where the downloading of emails
 STOPS
 
 at at one (but no means all) of Bill Richer's email.
 
 
 
 The only remedy is to go in to mailstart.com, which reads anyone's emails
 
 from a remote location, and delete all Bill Richer's emails in the
vicinity
 
 of the emails where the problem is occuring. Then, when I go back to my
 
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Re: [CTRL] J. Edgar Hoover Shocker?/ Worker owners of the means of production.

2000-05-15 Thread Bob Stokes

In a message dated 00-05-15 01:22:21 EDT, nessie writes:

 Well, we could stop counting how rich we are in material terms, especially
 in terms of how much currency we possess. Valuing things more than we
 value each other is what's wrong with this society.

The best things in life are free, but often hard to obtain.

 I'm not saying things are good to have. Things are good to have, some even
 more than  others. But it isn't money that brings us these things, it is
 each other's labor. Somebody made that chair you're sitting in. Somebody
 made that computer your reading this on. Somebody transported them to
 wherever you bought them. How much of what you paid went to them and how
 much went somewhere else?

Unfortunately, money is a necessary evil used to pay rent, buy food, pay back
the $30,000 it took to get a worthless degree.  I'll bet that very little of
the money I spend for things goes to those that made them, most goes to
managers, CEOs, stockholders, financiers and others who don't work for a
living ... thieves.

 Personally, I avoid money whenever possible. I barter a lot. I also do
 favors. I always try to do more favors that I have done for me. If I die
 tonight, I'll die owed more favors than I ever had to cash in. To my way
 of thinking, that makes me rich. 

Bartering is not an easy thing to do, you have to have something to barter.
If being owed favors, then I have been rich most of my life, but it doesn't
pay the rent.

Your thoughts are all good and make sense, but I'm not in the right situation
to be able to live like you.  If I did find many people with which I could
barter, most of the items I could barter would be bought with  ... money.

Regards,
Bob Stokes

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[CTRL] Tripp's Privacy

2000-05-15 Thread Prudence L. Kuhn

I'm curious.  Just what info was released regarding Tripp's employment.  I
recall her place of work, her job title, and her fabulous salary.   I don't
believe any of that is classified.  What else was out there?

Prudy

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[CTRL] Jewish Gene Study

2000-05-15 Thread Prudence L. Kuhn

According to the Koran, the "people of the book" refers to Moslems,
Christians and Jews.

Does this mean the Israeli will give up looking for a virus that targets
Palestinians?

Prudy

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[CTRL] Give and take (was: J. Edgar . . .)

2000-05-15 Thread nessie

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I'm not in the right situation

to be able to live like you



Neither do I. I spend money when I have to. I don't have much choice. But
I don't like storing the damn stuff. It's not a safe investment. It's
value is determined by fiat. Same goes for stocks, bonds and all the paper
crap. I put my money in practical stuff that has intrinsic value, tools,
vehicles, parts, weapons, ammo, food, books, electronics, stuff I can use.
I also collect memories, though I'm gonna start to run outa places to
store 'em before too long.

The precious metal enthusiasts are part right. They're just wrong about
which metals. I like worked steel. It never depreciates. Mix it with a
little elbow grease and it gives off money, favors and trade goods.
Lately, I've gotten interested in silicon. Silicon and gallium arsenide
are starting to make gold and silver look sorta old fashioned, these days.
But of all these, none are worth more than knowledge. Worth even more than
that, is understanding.

I oppose corporations, but not commerce.  Sharing is better but commerce
will do, as long as it's fair, and nobody is being exploited, especially
me. Technically, also I'm a small business of sorts. I manufacture and
sell essays. I also give away samples. It's great being my own boss. It's
not so great being my own employee. Let's discuss ways y'all can help me
finance my plush retirement villa on the scenic shores of beautiful Lake
Steadman.

(http://www.cbjd.net/orbit/mars/steadlake.html)

We're not supposed to post ads here. So I wont. But if anybody wants to
read my proposal, lemme know, and I'll email it to you personally. No, I'm
not selling lots.

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[CTRL] Check out Ramsey DA silenced testimony on pedophilia

2000-05-15 Thread Kris Millegan

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Subject: Ramsey DA silenced testimony on pedophilia
From: Evan Ravitz A HREF="mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]"[EMAIL PROTECTED]/A
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 I have lived in Boulder 21 years, and my friend Bob McFarland for some
40. We tried to give testimony to the Ramsey grand jury but were
thwarted by DA Alex Hunter, illegally. Here is my 4/29/00 guest
editorial in the Boulder Daily Camera, with the paragraph they edited
out, the 3rd to last. Note our web site at A HREF="http://vote.org/ramsey"ht
tp://vote.org/ramsey/A

'Nothing is what it seems' in Ramsey case
by Evan Ravitz

When Ramsey case lead investigators Det. Cmdr. Tom Wickman and Det. Tom
Trujillo interviewed myself and Robert McFarland, MD, co-founder of
Boulder's Parenting Place for an hour at my home last May 5, Detective
Wickman remarked "Nothing is what it seems in this case." Here are
several examples that have not received media coverage, yet:

DA Alex Hunter concluded his recent retirement statement by saying,
regarding the Ramsey case: "I believe most people feel their district
attorney has done right by the law." Mr. Hunter did not say he followed
the law, only that people think he did. He did not follow this law:

Colorado Revised Statute 16-5-204 (l) states "Any person may approach
the prosecuting attorney or the grand jury and request to testify or
retestify in an inquiry before a grand jury or to appear before a grand
jury." Dr. McFarland and I, after discovering that Dr. McFarland's
mailings to the jury foreman had been intercepted, sent material
directly to jury members at their homes on June 28. For thus exercising
our right under Colorado law to "approach" our fellow citizens the
grand  jury, we were threatened with prosecution for Contempt of Court!
And ridiculed by editor Hartman of this newspaper.

It was not until September 23rd that I read the above law myself. The
Colorado ACLU Intake Director told me on October 8 that they would take
our case, although this was too late to be of use, with the grand jury
about to disband. Perhaps there will be another. But valuable time has
been lost. The Denver Post reported on 3/15/00 that Hunter also tried
to keep his own investigator Lou Smit away from the grand jury until
Smit sought a court order to enforce the above law!

Our evidence is similar to that which the woman from San Luis Obispo,
California and her therapist have been giving Boulder police in recent
weeks, featured in a long lead article (by editor Hartman) on February
25, and others since, relating to a pedophile ring having abused and
killed JonBenet.

At Hunter's press conference on October 14th, investigative journalist
Joe Calhoun (who shares in an Academy award for the documentary The
Panama Deception) asked why Dr. McFarland and I had been repeatedly
prevented from contacting the grand jury, in spite of the law. Hunter
replied that a judge's order (Daniel Hale's) forbade us, which seemed
to satisfy the media. Yet, every lawyer knows that even judges and DAs
must obey state laws. Why would these leaders of Boulder's justice
system deem it so important to keep us from the grand jury that they
would repeatedly violate this law?

The substance of our testimony to the police and what we still want
investigated is what it seems Hunter most wanted to avoid: the
possibility that accused pedophiles in very high places in Boulder -we
suggested two names- had both motive and means to de-rail the
investigation in the first hours, possibly by calling off the FBI.  The
motive would be to keep the wide-ranging spotlight of a media case like
this away from people like themselves, whether they were involved or
not.

Normally, the FBI would immediately assume jurisdiction over an
apparent kidnapping by "a small foreign faction" (so read the "ransom
note") of the child of a Defense contractor executive. (Lockheed-Martin
owned Access Graphics.) Detective Linda Arndt has stated that she asked
for the FBI and police backup before she even arrived at the Ramsey
home and was told no. This left her unable to control a crime scene
filled with suspects and their friends. When she repeated her request
she was told everyone was in a meeting. Why would police administration
repeatedly refuse to provide backup and FBI assistance in such
circumstances?

Tom Wickman made another curious comment to Dr. McFarland and I, and
independently to Stephen Singular, author of "Presumed Guilty: An
Investigation into the JonBenet Ramsey Case, the Media, and the Culture
of Pornography" (on page 217). Tom said that once he was "getting
close" to arresting a Boulder City Council member, but had been told
to "back off." Since Tom was legally prohibited from giving us any
clues about the Ramsey investigation, I feel he was repeatedly drawing

Re: [CTRL] Stand back and watch it fall?

2000-05-15 Thread nessie

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The only way to turn the tables without a fight is through education and

motivation of the masses of American voters



What? You think we're fighting an enemy that stays within borders!?!

I wish.

Their reach is global. Borders keep labor in. Capital goes where it
pleases.

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Re: [CTRL] Ronald Reagan - Actor, Airhead, or What?

2000-05-15 Thread Ynr Chyldz Wyld

From: "Robert F. Tatman" [EMAIL PROTECTED]
 Uh, not exactly. Maybe I can't *prove* it...but can you *disprove* it?
 Rulers have used lookalike stand-ins for millennia. Without wanting to
 appear superstitious, there *is* that odd pattern that the U.S. president
 elected every 20 years dies in office, by disease or by "misadventure"...
 And it's a pattern which had held for a long time until Reagan appeared to
 break it. Well, something tells me he *didn't* break the pattern--he *did*
 die after Hinckley shot him. The clincher for me is the way he was reported
 to have developed Alzheimer's Disease. That is all too convenient as a way
 to pull the false Reagan out of public view and retire him or otherwise
 terminate the operation. Maybe I've been reading too many political suspense
 novels. But I find the idea horribly plausible...

I think Reagan was displaying signs of Alzheimer's even when he was in office...

Perhaps he didn't die in the assassination attempt, but it DOES seem to have
somehow affected his mentality afterwards...perhaps the wound was more severe
than the public was led to believe, and THAT was what was being covered up, not
that he died and a double was put in his place.


June

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Re: [CTRL] CIA Secret War Vets Not Recognized

2000-05-15 Thread Prudence L. Kuhn

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 WASHINGTON (AP) -- It has been a quarter century since they
 fought in the CIA's secret war and a decade since they were told
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It's too bad they didn't realize that those in the CIA place "keeping one's
word" far, far down on the list of priorities.  Prudy

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Re: [CTRL] FLIR expert had 'heart attack'; Attorneys, researcher claim 'too m...

2000-05-15 Thread Prudence L. Kuhn

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 Or sodium morphate? 
Hmmm.  Prudy

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[CTRL] Fwd: AIDS poses biggest threat to Botswana - study

2000-05-15 Thread Carl Amedio

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Botswana, where about one in five of the 1.5 million population are HIV
positive, a government-sponsored study said on Monday.

 The report, prepared for the finance ministry by the Botswana Institute for
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[CTRL] Flight 800 Eyewitness Reports Finally Released By FBI Contradict CIA Version

2000-05-15 Thread Kris Millegan

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  May 12, 2000

The Eyewitnesses


Flight 800 Eyewitness Reports Finally Released By FBI Contradict CIA Version

By Jerry Cimisi

Nearly four years after the tragic explosion of TWA Flight 800, killing 230
on board, The Federal Bureau of Investigation has released aproximately 750
eyewitnesses reports, hundreds of which contain sightings of a "flare-like"
object ascending from the sea or land (depending on the eyewitness's
perspective), followed by a midair explosion.

The fact that many people in various locations saw what appeared to be an
object ascending to meet Flight 800 is hardly news; many eyewitnesses over
the past years have spoken openly about what they saw. What is pertinent is
that when one reads these "302" FBI interviews, their cumulative testimony
refutes the "explanations" the National Transportation Safety Board (NTSB),
the FBI and CIA gave as the mechanics of the explosions.

The official conclusion was, simply, that the "missile" so many people
thought they saw rising up (or streaking across the sky horizontally) was
actually Flight 800 itself, after the center wing fuel tank exploded and
which somehow caused the plane to rise several thousand feet before a
subsequent explosion, after which the plane fell to the ocean.

Each eyewitness report is designated with a number. The names of eyewitness
are blacked out, to protect their privacy.

But Witness 88 (among others), saw a "flare" and, separately, Flight 800
itself. This witness was fishing in Moriches Inlet. The sound of an explosion
alerted him to something in the southwest that was ascending. He at first
thought it was fireworks. He watched it climb as it left a wispy trail of
smoke. Soon the smoke trail stopped and became bright red. Now the witness
was surmising it was a distress flare from a boat. Then it seemed to reach
its highest point and proceeded to cross the sky from east to west.

It was then that Witness 88 saw an airplane come into view. The "flare" met
the plane and there was an explosion.

Another eyewitness who saw the plane being met by an object is someone we can
refer to by name, as the first time she spoke to the press about it was to
this reporter in May, 1998. The night TWA 800 went down, Lisa Perry was at
her father's beach house on Fire Island. "I saw the missile,"she said. At the
time she saw a plane in the sky she also saw "Something moving north to south
over the dunesS  of Fire Island. It was shiny, like a new dime; it looked
like a plane without wingsS  It was as if there was a flame at the back of
it... It moved much faster than the plane. The silver object took a left turn
and went up to the plane. The plane stopped for a moment as something would
when it had suffered an impact, not just an explosion. Then it began to
fractureS You could see the spaces in between the plane [as it began to break
apart]. A moment later there was another explosion and the plane broke jaggedl
y in the sky... I told the FBI the nose had come off; I told them this before
the Navy pulled it out of the water."

Witness 145: From Bay Shore she saw a plane offshore and a object proceeding
upwards towards the plane. The object trailed gray-white smoke. Then the
object hit the plane. The plane fell toward the water and seemed to break in
two.

Again, both Witness 497, 145 and Perry saw, separately, an airplane and a
missile-like object. And none saw the plane rise after it was hit.

Roland Perry of Center Moriches also saw an ascending streak, an explosion
and the plane fall from the sky. "S the plane went straight down and it
didn't go forward an inch. This was Bam! And it came down."

A year after Flight 800, Penny was asked by retired Navy Commander William S.
Donaldson, if he were sure he saw something going up and not down. He said,
"I ought to be able to tell if something is going up in the air or going down
in the air... I'm not changing my mind about it S I'll stick to that until I
die."

In addition, Penny talked about a neighbor who also saw an ascending object
in the sky and was questioned by investigators if she might have confused up
and down. Penny, related, "She was upset because she says I'm a grown woman.
She says I saw something definitely going and there is no question in my
about that and she says I'm not changing my mind either."

Mike Hull of Westchester has an extensive website concerning Flight 800. He
has put together a telling summary and analysis of the eyewitness reports; a
portion of his research is used in this article. (Hull's website is
http://hometown.aol.com/bardonia. One can download all the eyewitness reports
at www.twa800.com)

Further evidence that Flight 800 did not ascend, aflame after exploding (and
thus create the illusion of a rising missile), is provided by the pilot of a
private plane over Riverhead that fateful evening. Witness 702, Swen Faret
(who was interviewed by the media after the incident) said his 

[CTRL] Fwd: Cyberwarfare

2000-05-15 Thread Kris Millegan






Stratfor.com's Global Intelligence Update - 15 May 2000
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Know your world.
http://www.stratfor.com
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This weekend on Stratfor.com:

Belgrade-Baghdad Military Ties May Be Paying Off in Air Defense

A commander in Iraq's air defense forces announced that Iraq has
been neutralizing U.S. HARM anti-radar missiles. If true, Iraq's
cooperation with Yugoslavia on air defense appears to be yielding
concrete results.
http://www.stratfor.com/MEAF/commentary/0005122315.htm
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"I Love You" and the Problem of Cyberwarfare

Summary

Last week, officials from the government and the computer industry
gathered in the wake of the massive denial of service attacks
against commercial web sites and the outbreak of the "I Love You"
virus. The real problem the United States and much of the world
faces is that people are overwhelmingly dependent upon a single
computer operating system that is exceedingly vulnerable to even
simple attacks. The PC and the Internet have become indispensable -
while remaining indefensible.

Analysis

Last week, U.S. government and computer industry officials gathered
in California for a summit on computer security. The meeting took
place in the wake of a recent spate of computer viruses and
attacks, including the massive denial of a service attack,
apparently launched by a Canadian teenager, and the "I Love You"
virus, seemingly launched by someone in the Philippines.

It is important to realize that neither of these attacks were
developed by computer geniuses. The Canadian teenager's ability to
shut down Amazon.com was perhaps one notch more sophisticated than
setting an autodialier on a telephone to repeatedly call someone's
phone, making it impossible for real callers to get through. The "I
Love You" virus was a simple macro written in a fairly simple
language, Visual Basic, that took advantage of the lack of security
on Microsoft's e-mail package. No one is going to be offering
either of these software creators jobs at the National Security
Agency.

Some people are taking comfort in this. John Dvorak, a usually
astute observer of the computing world, wrote in PC Week, "The Love
Bug Virus is the type of thing that's great for keeping journalists
busy on a slow news day. I've never seen anything get so much ink.
The question of the day: Will writing two-bit destructive viruses
become the way that loners and goofballs get their 15 minutes of
fame? I suspect this is the case. It certainly beats setting
oneself up on the school clock tower and picking off fellow
classmates with a rifle."
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Would you like to see full text and accompanying
articles?
http://www.stratfor.com/SERVICES/GIU/daily.asp
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Dvorak is of course right - but he's missing his own point. Vitally
important news is being made. The news is this: It is now possible
for a comparatively unsophisticated computer programmer to create
absolute havoc. It is not the hacker's psychological profile that
is interesting; it is the intellectual profile that is stunning. It
used to be possible for a brilliant but unstable person to wreak
havoc. Today, a not particularly bright crackpot can achieve the
same outcome. And that is the point. There are few brilliant people
in the world. There are lots of dullards. Based on the ratio of
fools to geniuses, the likelihood of future attacks increases.

The problem is this: the personal computer and the Internet are
both revolutionary - and yet, terrifically vulnerable. Both are
less than a generation old and comparatively primitive, like the
telephone or automobile early on in their evolution. Yet the
revolutionary nature of computing today allows all kinds of people
to do important things in ways once impossible. Everyday people in
all walks of life and work have become dependent on these systems.

The vulnerability of these systems stems from the simple fact that
they were never intended to be the center of such dependency. The
personal computer was developed as a stand-alone system. Unlike
mainframes with multiple users using multiple accounts, the PC was
deliberately designed to serve the needs of an individual. The
entire purpose of the PC was to be a functioning system that
provided the user unfettered access to his data, programs and even
operating system. Hence its name. It followed from this that the
individual was unlikely to seek to harm his own computer or the
data on it. Security was hardly a priority.

Connectivity between PCs has crept in slowly. Not so long ago,
people couldn't conceive of a mass market for PCs. As word
processors and spreadsheets emerged, the usefulness of the PC
became more apparent. Still, few people in the 1980s imagined that
one of the PC's primary roles would be that of a communications
device. At first limited to a 

[CTRL] OEN 5/15/00

2000-05-15 Thread Kris Millegan

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Ponzi Schemes


Let Me Out of Social Security



by James Freeman

Are you better off keeping and investing the money you make, or sending it to
Washington and relying on the government to take care of you? It’s an easy
call, right? You want to keep the money. You want control of your personal
finances. And you’re not being selfish. It’s the basic lesson of the 20th
century: Free people and free markets do better than big government and
central planning.

Most people have accepted that freedom works in general, but we seem to have
trouble with the specifics. Take Social Security, for example. Given the
choice, what sane person would forgo all the savings and investment
opportunities in our economy and instead choose to contribute to a government
program offering neither competitive returns nor a guaranteed payout? Nobody.
Would any personal finance magazine recommend Social Security if the program
were voluntary? Not a chance.

So why is everyone debating how to save Social Security? The question is how
to kill it, without breaking the promises already made. I think part of the
problem is that political reporters, not financial reporters, always cover
Social Security. If journalists evaluated it as an investment vehicle, they’d
be telling us to run as fast as we can away from this stinker. To be clear, I
absolutely think the government should take care of the people due to receive
benefits. I also think it’s essential that we shut this thing down at the
earliest possible opportunity. And there’s a way to do both.

First of all, let’s get a few things straight. The politicians love to talk
about preserving the Social Security "trust fund." In fact, the trust fund
does not exist, at least not in the way a reasonable person would define the
term. The "trust fund" is a large pile of IOUs from the federal government to
the Social Security system. The government has basically said, "I owe myself
trillions of dollars to provide the benefits that I have promised." This is
not cash - it’s a promise to increase taxes or run deficits to fulfill the
promises already made.

Secondly, although politicians like to portray Social Security as a
government-run retirement benefits program, it is actually a tax. The funds
deducted from your salary are not deposited in an account with your name on
it. Instead, the money removed from your paycheck on Friday is sent to a
current beneficiary on Monday. You may have heard critics refer to Social
Security as a legalized Ponzi scheme. That’s not just rhetoric. The system
literally uses the money from new contributors to pay off previous investors.
And you do not own the money you have "put away" in Social Security. Unlike a
private pension plan, benefits are not guaranteed. So whether you actually
receive money in retirement is at the discretion of whoever happens to hold
elected office at that moment.

Before long, those elected officials will be under intense pressure to break
Social Security’s promises. In 2013, America’s 77 million baby boomers will
begin retiring. In 2015, the system will begin paying out more than it takes
in (sooner if the economy doesn’t continue it’s fantastic growth).

This is not a matter of debate. The math just doesn’t work anymore. In 1945,
right before the baby boom, there were 42 workers paying taxes for each
retired person collecting benefits. Today there are a little more than three
workers for each beneficiary. By 2030 - when almost all the boomers will have
retired - the ratio will be two to one. Basically, if you’re a Generation Xer
or younger, you will personally be responsible for providing a retired
person’s entire benefits for six months of every year. We’ve been blessed
with a prosperous society and great medical technology so people can live
much longer in retirement. Now let’s recognize that the game has changed and
improve our retirement financing while we have a few years before the crisis.

How do you let young people out of this flawed system without sentencing the
baby boomers to poverty in old age? I think the best plan out there is the
one that I described in this space in 1998: a proposal from Marshall Carter’s
1996 book, Promises to Keep. He wants to create "Personal Social Security
Accounts" (PSSAs). Every person currently enrolled in Social Security would
have the option to switch to a PSSA or to remain in the current system. All
new workers entering the labor force would be given PSSAs instead of Social
Security. And every current retiree would continue to receive Social Security
benefits.

Here's how it works: PSSAs would be mandatory savings accounts controlled by
you, not by politicians. Instead of sending 10.7% of your salary each month
to Washington in the form of Social Security taxes, your employer would only
send half that amount to the government and then deposit the other half in
your account. You would be free to invest the 

[CTRL] Myron Fagan's Illuminati and Council on Foreign…

2000-05-15 Thread Kris Millegan

from:
http://www.ptialaska.net/~swampy/fagan/fagan_0.html
Click Here: A HREF="http://www.ptialaska.net/~swampy/fagan/fagan_0.html"Myro
n Fagan's Illuminati and Council on Foreign…/A
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Myron Fagan's
Illuminati and Council on Foreign Relations

 The Player

The Myron Fagan recordings are in "RealAudio" (.ra) compression format.  You
will need to load the "RealAudio Player" to play the recordings off the
Internet.

The Recording

Myron Fagan recorded his expose' on the Illuminati and Council on
Foreign Relations in the late 1960's on three LP Records.  We present his
lecture in six parts representing each side of those Records.

As Myron Fagan has passed away, we regret that the addresses and telephone
numbers given in his lecture are no longer valid.

Saving Recordings To Hard Drive

If you have the ability to "save" files from the Internet to your Hard Drive,
I would like to encourage you to save the Myron Fagan audio files.  This is
very important as these audio files are "irreplacable" and their existence on
this Web Page cannot be guarenteed.

When you select "Load to Hard Drive," hold down your "shift" key.  This will
bring up the "save to" menu (Netscape) that will allow you to save the file
to your Hard Drive.

Myron Fagan - Part ITime = 24 min,  42 sec

Load Myron Fagan - Part I to Hard Drive

Myron Fagan - Part II   Time = 23 min,  50 sec

Load Myron Fagan - Part II to Hard Drive

Myron Fagan - Part III   Time = 22 min,  30 sec

Load Myron Fagan - Part III to Hard Drive

Myron Fagan - Part IV   Time = 26 min,  10 sec

Load Myron Fagan - Part IV to Hard Drive

Myron Fagan - Part V Time = 27 min,  13 sec

Load Myron Fagan - Part V to Hard Drive

Myron Fagan - Part VITime = 26 min,  59 sec

Load Myron Fagan - Part VI to Hard Drive
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Aloha, He'Ping,
Om, Shalom, Salaam.
Em Hotep, Peace Be,
All My Relations.
Omnia Bona Bonis,
Adieu, Adios, Aloha.
Amen.
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[CTRL] MERCURY VAPOR FROM AMALGAM FILINGS/COMPUTER MONITORS (fwd)

2000-05-15 Thread Bill Kingsbury

  Forwarded massage 
 From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
 To:   "metals" [EMAIL PROTECTED]
 Date: Mon, 15 May 2000
 Subj: [metals] MERCURY VAPOR FROM AMALGAM FILINGS/COMPUTER MONITORS

 MERCURY FREE PRESS
 Freya Koss
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 Ortendahl T W, Hogstedt P  Holland R P

 Mercury vapor release from dental amalgam in vitro caused by
 magnetic fields generated by CRT's and electrical cutting
 procedures.

 Swed Dent J 1991 p 31 Abstract 22

 ABSTRACT:  People working in front of a cathode-ray tube screen
 (CRT) and who report they are negatively affected, sometimes
 complain about symptoms often related to "Oral galvanism".  Another
 group of workers, occupationally exposed to magnetic fields, are
 divers, welding and cutting electrically under water.

 It has been repoerted (Ortendahl et. al. J. Undersea Biomed Res
 1988;15:443-456) that the magnetic field flux density intraoraly at
 a certain current and with a specific distance relation between the
 oral cavity and the electric cord was 1.12 mT with a specific
 frequency spectra.  Exposure of amalgam specimens to a magnetic
 field with 1.15 mT (50 Hz) caused morhological and chemical changes
 on the surfaces of the dental amalgams.  Therefore, the aim of the
 study was to analyze if work in front of a CRT-screen would have
 any influence on the mercury vapor release from dental amalgam.
 The aim was also to analyze if a magnetic field with a complex
 frequency spectra and a flux density of 1.15 mT would influence the
 mercury vapor release.

 Materials and Methods:  5 CRT-screens were selected as sources for
 the magnetic field exposure.  The criterias for the selection of
 screens were:  1. occurring frequently in swedish officies, 2.
 compensated and uncompensated screens with respect to the megnetic
 fields.  From three types of dental amalgams, representative to
 swedish dentistry, cylindrical amalgam specimens were prepared and
 were immersed in artificial saliva in an electrolytic cell.  The
 electrolytic cells were located exactly in front of the CRT-screens
 with a distance amalgam - CRT-screen of 50 cm during 6 hours.  On a
 specific electrolytic cell, coils were adapted and supplied with a
 current to simulate the electrical cutting situation.  The created
 field had a complex frequency spectra in order to create a more
 realistic simulation of the in vivo situation than the earlier used
 50 Hz field.  The mercury vapor release (Hg0) was registered
 continously and were determined by a gold-foil mercury vapor
 analyzer (Jerome 411).  As control served amalgam specimens, not
 exposed to a magnetic field but immersed in the artificial saliva
 and a reference group which were not exposed to either the magnetic
 fields or artificial saliva.

 Results and Conclusion:  2 of the CRT-screens significantly
 increased the mercury vapor release from all three types of
 amalgam.  One of these two screens were compensated and one were
 uncompensated.  The magnetic fields which were supposed to simulate
 the electrical cutting situation did not cause any increased
 mercury vapor release.  The study was supported by The Swedish Work
 Environmental fund.


 Mercury vapor release...

 http://www.algonet.se/~leif/yfORT91a.html


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 CFS Nutrition - "Feed Your Health"TM
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Re: [CTRL] GOLD DERIVATIVES BANKING CRISIS (fwd)

2000-05-15 Thread Bill Kingsbury

 (with minimal edits for clarity)

  Forwarded message 
 From: Anita Sands [EMAIL PROTECTED]
 To:   Kingsbury [EMAIL PROTECTED]
 Date: Mon, 15 May 2000
 Subj: [Fwd: GOLD DERIVATIVES BANKING CRISIS - #1  (fwd)]]

 -- sent your missive to an English pal in Manchester, a total buff
 on the gold situation and here's his comment.


 From: "chris.osborne" [EMAIL PROTECTED]
 To:   "Anita Sands" [EMAIL PROTECTED]
 Date: Mon, 15 May 2000 09:50:49 +0100
 Subj: Re: GOLD DERIVATIVES BANKING CRISIS - #1  (fwd)]

 Hi Anita,

 Totally true, the corruption is so blatantly obvious; it takes a
 long time to get the fed chairman A Greenscum's office to reply to
 anything.

 I get the GATA reports since its inception, but congress seem to
 do as they are told by klintler's mob.  I think the Banksters hope
 that all gold bugs will divest themselves of gold.  If not, the
 US gov'ment may do a 1930 again, i.e. steal it as they did then.

 With gold as they hope demonetised, FIAT money will be their
 god China is buying heavily at the right price.

 must dash

 take care

 Chris



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Re: [CTRL] Bush And Ephedrine

2000-05-15 Thread flw

William Shannon [EMAIL PROTECTED]
writes:
 Campaign 2000: Bush's Diet-Drug Problem (doc #40)

 BUSH FRIENDS GAINED RESULTS FOR CLIENTS PUSHING DIETARY SUPPLEMENT, A TIME
 INVESTIGATION REVEALS

 New York - Texas Governor George W. Bush's regulators backed off tough
 controls of a dietary supplement after lobbyists friendly to Bush were hired
 by a leading manufacturer and contributed to his 1998 gubernatorial
 re-election campaign, TIME's Michael Weisskopf reports.

What a plus for Bush!

I would never vote for Bush or Algore but the fact that Bush stopped the idiotic
(and drug corporation led) assault on a useful alternative medicine means that
ole Bushy ain't a total fool.
flw

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Re: [CTRL] The Government's EM/RF 'Mood Rings'

2000-05-15 Thread Bill Huey

I notice rings around the Sun and the moon after a chemtrail spraying
hard to see with out sunglasses

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From: NewsHawk Inc. [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Date: Saturday, 13 May 2000 13:22
Subject: The Government's EM/RF 'Mood Rings'


5.12.00
The Government's EM/RF 'Mood Rings'



What's up with the anomalous concentric rings as well as spoked-wheel
patterns and formations which have been showing up around the U.S. on
doppler radar images for over two years now; which we've made mention of
in several articles in the past couple of days?

Read below to find out LOTS more.



NewsHawk* Inc.

+++
+ + + + + + + +
John,
It has been almost 3 years since we came across an anomaly that appears
on NEXRAD and Doppler radar servers over the internet. We were searching
for information on weather control. These images appear as perfect
symmetrical circles or parts thereof. What categorizes this as an
anomaly is the energy INCREASES as it heads out toward the outer
circumference of the circle.


We have documented numerous activities associated with this phenomena.
Here are a few examples:

On October 15, 1999 as Hurricane Floyd sat off the coast of Florida a
radar ring anomaly emitting a signal from Birmingham, Alabama pushed
Floyd away from Florida and up the east coast. On the night of JFK Jr's
plane crash, a radar ring anomaly appeared in the flight path where his
plane went down.

Pine Ridge, S Dakota during the events in question had this anomaly
present for 3 weeks, sometimes three times a day...interrupting
communications and possibly causing physiological alterations, for the
discussions turned ugly.

On October 16, 1999 a 7.0 quake occurred at Joshua Tree after a ring
anomaly had appeared daily for about 6 days. On March 28, 2000 an F2
(a75+mph) tornado hit Ft Worth after a ring anomaly had appeared at
Cannon AFB for 3 days prior and during a storm passage through west
Texas, having been strengthened by it. May 10, 2000 ring anomaly,
appearing at Area 51, flat spotted the jet stream pushing down through
the nw and plains areas, dumped snow in N California,, Idaho and Nevada.
Ironically enough, fires in New Mexico around and near Los Alamos Labs
were fueled by high winds on said night. Also noted that anomalies have
strengthened systems to cause flooding and broken up others to cause
drought.



Above examples are one of each phenomena we have noted...Many more archived.

After researching locations of the epicenters of these anomalies, we
have found that at least 80% can be pinpointed on USAF bases. Upon
further research we have also discovered that GWEN is also located on
the very same USAF bases. NEXRAD radar sites also share many of the same
locations.

CORS - a GPS / GWEN/ NEXRAD triangulation system, that is never turned
off, is also located in most of these locations!

If you overlay maps of CORS, GWEN, NEXRAD, USAF and other military
bases, you will find that 90% of all sites listed are the same. It has
been reported that HAARP and GWEN may have the potential for weather
control. It is no coincidence that the USAF has their "Owning The
Weather By 2025" idea out for public consumption. Recently, a system
dubbed HIPAS - working side by side with HAARP - speaks of back beating
VHF and ELF waves together. The process of back beating was explained to
me by a former Navy / CG electronics expert. It was used by HAM
operators by sending a signal then shortly after sending that same
signal on top of the previous signal thereby extending the range and
strengthening it the further it goes out. In the beginning of this post,
I explained that the radar anomalies have this property.

We have not been able to determine what technology this is or what the
signal is, although going by NEXRAD and Doppler we know the decibel
strength of many we have documented. We also have a theory that HAARP,
CORS / GPS, GWEN, NEXRAD (either one or all) and a satellite in orbit is
causing this phenomena.

Noted and documented physiological effects... Several people we have
spoken with seem to have these effects: Headaches, emotional changes
(sudden anger or depression), sleep pattern changes (sudden onset,
extended periods of ...) nausea, stomach upsets, etc.


In conclusion, we can safely say - based upon this evidence- these
anomalies can and have altered the weather, electronics, people  caused
earth quakes. There is more than enough information on weather  mind
control and electronics interference and man made earthquakes. Could
this be our culprit? We think so.


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Re: [CTRL] Chemtrail Alert

2000-05-15 Thread Bill Huey

how can we get a copy if we cant link-up at this time

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We will be interviewing Clifford Carnicom who is researching the Chemtrail
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[CTRL] Prescriptions was 10 reasons etc.

2000-05-15 Thread Tenorlove

My former pediatrician, Luis Pupo, insisted my child take Zithromax for
an infection even after seeing the insurance formulary from Anthem
showing that Zithromax was not covered. Amoxicillin, which was covered,
would have done the job in question. We're going through the same
battle with our new insurance and my husband's Lipitor. No generic
available, not approved by insurance, $240 a month. Lipitor is the one
being touted in the fancy full-page ads in popular magazines like
National Geographic. It's biggest cometitor, lovastatin, is available
as a generic and in an OTC herbal preparation called Cholestin.

http://onhealth.com/conditions/briefs/item,39015.asp

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 On 15 May 00, at 6:19, Tenorlove wrote:


   they refuse to prescribe
  lower-priced meds, even if one is available for the condition.
 


 Cite please?

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Re: [CTRL] MERCURY: ROOT OF DEPRESSION, ANGER, ANXIETY AND VIOLENCE

2000-05-15 Thread Bill Huey

Rocky Mountain research insititue -who or what is that?

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 Date: Sun, 14 May 2000
 Subj: [metals] Re: Alcoholism/Mercury?


 TITLE: MERCURY, THE ROOT OF DEPRESSION, ANGER, ANXIETY AND VIOLENCE

 SOURCES:  Psychological Reports, 1994, 74,67-80, Psychometric
 Evidence That Mercury From Silver Dental Fillings May Be An FBI
 Factor In Depression, Excessive Anger, Anxiety,  by Robert L.
 Siblerud, John Motl, Eldon Kienholz ... and Chicago Tribune,
 Probing the Violent Mind, Experts Monitor Chemical in Wake of
 U.S. Crime Wave,  by Ronald Kotulak ... and Mental Illness Hits
 Half of Americans,  by Brenda C. Coleman, Associated Press.


   SEROTONIN

   Risks at Low Levels   Risks At High Levels

 DepressionShyness
 Suicide   Obsessive compulsion
 Impulsive aggression  Fearfulness
 AlcoholismLack of self confidence
 Sexual deviance   Unduly dampened aggression
 Explosive rage


 ABSTRACT

 In a startling recent breakthrough, researchers at the Rocky
 Mountain Research Institute, led by Robert L. Siblerud, made the
 most profound discovery that amalgam mercury effects the
 neurotransmitters' uptake of dopamine, serotonin, acetylcholine,
 and norepinephrine and provides a biochemical basis for why people
 who have amalgam dental fillings experience significantly higher
 levels of depression, excessive anger, and anxiety than controls
 without amalgams.

 Underlying the scientific quest, which has revealed links to
 abnormal brain chemistry, is the growing suspicion that dentistry
 unwittingly may be feeding the nation's growing epidemic of
 depression, anger, anxiety, violence, alcoholism, the need to smoke
 and other impulse disorders.

 Serotonin is the brain's master impulse modulator for all of our
 emotions and drives.  It especially keeps aggression in line.

 When serotonin levels fall, violence rises, like some long-subdued
 monster breaking free of its bonds.

 Paralleling the Rocky Mountain study, several other studies have
 shown that when serotonin levels decline impulsive aggression is
 unleashed.

 Normal aggression has a set point, like body temperature, which is
 regulated by brain chemicals.

 Most people are born with a balance of these chemicals that enables
 them to react to events in reasonable ways.  But changing that set
 point can increase or lower depression, anger, anxiety or violence.
 Researchers are learning how this set point can be altered and they
 have found that the mechanism for change, and imbalance of
 neurotransmitters, is shared by humans and animals and can be
 successfully manipulated to increase or decrease violent behavior.

 While low serotonin levels increase impulsiveness, normal levels
 are associated with clear thinking and social success.  One reason
 we may mellow with age is that serotonin levels increase.

 A low serotonin level also can dry up the wellsprings of life's
 happiness, withering a person's interest in his existence and
 increasing the risk of depression and suicide.

 A growing body of evidence indicates that low levels of serotonin
 are implicated in a lack of control, the kind of behavior that
 typically manifests itself as irritability, loss of temper and
 explosive rage.  It is the type of impulsive aggression that is
 escalating at an unprecedented pace in the U.S.

 According to the FBI, while the U.S. population increased by 40%
 from 1960 through 1991, violent crime increased 560%, murders
 increased 170%, rapes 520% and aggravated assaults 600%.  But the
 dramatic statistics tell nothing of what is going on inside the
 brain.

 Almost half of Americans experience mental illness at some time in
 their lives, and almost one-third are afflicted in any one year,
 according to a University of Michigan study, published in January's
 issue of the Archives of General psychiatry.

 In addition, alcoholism, sleeplessness, sexual deviance,
 firesetting, obesity and other impulse-control disorders also have
 been laid at the doorstep of low serotonin.

 Alcohol initially raises serotonin levels so that a person feels
 more mellow for a brief time, however, continued drinking
 precipitates a drop in serotonin.  Several Swedish studies also
 suggest that exposure to mercury from amalgams may be linked to
 alcoholism, which may explain why some people have reported a
 lessening desire to drink following amalgam removal.

 A previous study at the Rocky Mountain Institute associated dental
 amalgams and smoking.  Nicotine increases the levels of dopamine,
 serotonin, acetylcholine, epinephrine and norepinephrine which have
 highly desirable effects on the brain.  Since mercury reduces the
 function of neurotransmitters, people will smoke more to relieve
 their anxious feelings.

 In 

[CTRL] Hidden secrets of Australia (fwd)

2000-05-15 Thread MICHAEL SPITZER

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Subject: Hidden secrets of Australia


   Article:

 "EMBARRASSING THE SCIENTISTS"

From "Pix/People" (Australia)
Jeff Carter's "Wild Country"
Published at Jones Street
Broadway, Sydney
New South  Wales 2007
Australia

"FOSSIL FOOTPRINTS, 350 MILLION YEARS OLD, COULD PROVE AUSTRALIA
TO BE EARTH'S OLDEST CONTINENT"

 THE WORLD has long recognised Australia as one of earth's oldest
continents. At least, as one of the continents that has been
sticking out of the sea the longest. For about 1,500 million
years, in the case of Centralia's now worn down mountain ranges.
Once these peaks towered over 15,000 feet, once almost as high as
today's Himalayas.

 But parts of another island continent, Greenland, have been
found to contain rocks 3,000 million years old. This fact emerged
only a few years ago and somewhat eroded our long- standing claim
to fame in the field of geological antiquity.

 Now we're back in the running, with the recent discovery of what
may prove to be the world's oldest known fossil footprints. These
faint impressions in rock on the bank of the Genoa river were
found by scientists in 1972.

 The tracks are thought to have been made by some sort of
amphibious creature about the size of a goanna - 350 million
years ago!

 The age of the fossil footprints hasn't been proved yet. The
rocks in which they are embedded were flown out by helicopter
from the fastness of the East Gippsland high country to be
examined under laboratory conditions. When the scientists
complete their tests, we'll know if we have something new to
boast about.

 It's all rather embarrassing for other scientists, because
they've been saying for years that no such animal as the one that
left its footprints beside the Genoa river ever existed in
Australia.

 East Gippsland may hold some more geological and archaeological
secrets. Local legend has it that approximately on the border
between NSW and Victoria, somewhere north of Mallacoota Inlet,
stand man-made stone walls of great antiquity. Strangely carved
they are said to be far older than anything built since the
coming of the white man or Aborigines to Australia.

 I've been invited to look at these "walls", which may of course
turn out to be natural formations. But I've put off the trip for
the last six years, mainly because a 13-mile bush-bash on foot
through mountainous country is required to gaze upon these
ancient works of man or nature.

 Which reminds me that a couple of years back I found what
appeared to be very old stone walls right on the edge of the
Indian Ocean, near Cape Keraudren, on our north-west coast.

 This was the proposed site of an iron port to be blasted out
with nuclear explosions. The walls were so eroded, it was
possible to walk past and over them without realising they were
in fact man-made.

 But seen from certain angles, with the sun low on the horizon,
there was no doubt about their origin. Right on the water's edge
was a wave-splashed stone jetty, although barely recognisable.

 Who built this ancient port? My guess is that it is far older
than anything built since Europeans settled our northwest coast
last century. I've visited the ruins of the first recorded port
on our northwest coast, at Point Samson, established in the
1880s. The stone jetties and customs house are eroded but they
appear to have been built yesterday in comparison with the
crumbling, barely recognisable ruins at Cape Keraudren.

 Judged against the minor wear and tear at Point Samson, built
roughly a century ago, Cape Keraudren's walls must date back to
the time of the Pyramids. Sea traders from the Arab countries
known to have reached south-east Asia and the islands of
Indonesia more than 1,000 years ago. Perhaps they built the now
barely recognisable port on our north-west coast?

 Judging from the way geographers are re-writing the geological
history of the world, based on recent fossil footprint and other
discoveries, archaeologists may have to do the same with the
human history of Australia. Only a decade ago, it was accepted
that the first people to live on our continent were the
Aborigines. They were thought to have arrived 16,000 years ago.

 New archaeological finds pushed this figure back to 40,000
years.

 Very recently, scientists have decided that rock carvings in
Tasmania and central Australia were made by people who lived here
100,000 years ago. Where they came from, the experts won't say
until they think they're sure - and recent events have proved
that scientists can be as wrong.

 The voyage of the raft la Balsa from South America showed that
settlers could have reached Australia from that country.

 Arab and Egyptian traders may have done some colonising from the
other direction. There is strong evidence that Chinese sailors
landed on our northern coast 2,000 years ago.

 Who knows from what other directions early visitors to our
continent 

[CTRL] STROKES LEND THE ABILITY TO DETECT A LIE (fwd)

2000-05-15 Thread MICHAEL SPITZER

STROKES LEND THE ABILITY TO DETECT A LIE

A study in the journal Nature suggests that people who have
suffered a stroke may gain a surprising benefit -- an advantage
in spotting liars, particularly when the untruths are given away
by changes in facial expression. The phenomenon occurs in
patients who develop a loss in language ability, called aphasia,
as a result of a stroke.

"As far back as the 1920s there are anecdotal reports of patients
with aphasia being able to detect when people were lying," says
Nancy Etcoff, a psychologist at the Massachusetts General
Hospital (MGH) who led the study.

"(They) seem to be more sensitive to... nuances in facial
expression that reveal a disconnect between what someone is
trying to express and what they really are feeling."

   Copyright 2000 by United Press International.
   All rights reserved.


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[CTRL] AP: Waco Expert's Death Said Setback (fwd)

2000-05-15 Thread MICHAEL SPITZER

May 14, 2000

Waco Expert's Death Said Setback

Filed at 10:14 p.m. EDT
By The Associated Press


WACO, Texas (AP) -- A lawyer representing surviving Branch
Davidians in a wrongful-death lawsuit says the death of an
infrared expert who contended that shots were fired by the
government during the Waco siege is a major setback in the case.

``We're not giving up, but I don't know how we'll replace Carlos
Ghigliotti,'' said attorney Mike Caddell.

Ghigliotti was hired last fall by the House Government Reform
Committee to review an FBI infrared videotape taken on the final
day of the Branch Davidian siege in 1993.

He told The Washington Post that he had determined that repeated
flashes on the video came from government gunfire.

Police found Ghigliotti's decomposed body at his office at
Infrared Technologies Corp. in Laurel, Md., on April 28 after a
building manager became concerned that the analyst had not been
seen for several weeks. A preliminary autopsy report showed the
42-year-old died of a heart attack.

The plaintiffs had already notified the federal court that they
planned to use Ghigliotti as an expert witness in the trial, set
to begin June 19 in Waco.

Caddell said he will take the depositions of British infrared
experts at Vector Data Systems, who were among those who
conducted a March 19 field test at Fort Hood.

By comparing the simulation to videotapes from the last day of
the siege, Vector found that the 1993 flashes were caused by
reflections off metal and glass.

``We were unable to identify any gunfire, either from government
forces or from Davidians, from either the (infrared tapes) or
other collateral imagery available to us,'' their report stated.

Government officials have said no one on their side fired any
shots on April 19, 1993, the day that a federal tear-gas assault
ended in a fire that destroyed the compound. More than 80 sect
members, including leader David Koresh, were killed.



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[CTRL] Merchant Marine Academy 'Ordered' to Make Hillary Speaker

2000-05-15 Thread MICHAEL SPITZER

Newsmax-Inside Cover

Sunday May 14, 2000, 10:45 AM EDT

Merchant Marine Academy 'Ordered' to Make Hillary Speaker

The U.S. Merchant Marine Academy at Kings Point, New York was
"ordered" to replace its scheduled commencement speaker with
First Lady Hillary Clinton at next month's graduation ceremony
because "she's the wife of the Commander in Chief," a
knowledgeable source has told NewsMax.com.

 And the graduating cadets are so unhappy about Mrs. Clinton's
starring role, there may be some embarassing moments at the June
19th event, the same source warns.

 Last week an Academy spokesman confirmed to NewsMax.com that
Hillary would replace Navy Secretary Richard Danzig after two
cadets tipped WABC radio's Sean Hannity to the news. Danzig had
accepted the invitation to speak after the first lady rejected
three separate requests from the Academy last fall.

But by Tuesday Hillary had changed her mind and Secretary Danzig
had to be disinvited. "He graciously agreed to step down," said
the spokesman, who explained that Danzig understood he might be
bumped by someone "higher in the administration" when he accepted
the invitation.

 But another source says the Academy had no choice whatsoever in
the matter.

 "She is the wife of the Commander in Chief and the order was
given for Secretary Danzig to step aside so that Hillary could
give the commencement address," said the source, who insisted on
anonymity. "We have a first lady who's running for Senator. She
can bump whoever she wants."

 "I'm sure the orders came from the president himself," the
source speculated.

 Merchant Marine cadets were none too happy with the Hillary
invite in the first place. And now that the wife of the Commander
in Chief is pulling rank, they may show their displeasure when
she shows up, said the source.

 "When the graduating class of 2000 heard in November that she
might be the commencement speaker, they said that if she comes,
they will turn their chairs around and have their backs to her."

 There may also be boos, suggested the source, who explained that
the the cadets had yet to be told officially that Hillary planned
to bump the Navy Secretary when NewsMax.com reported the story on
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[CTRL] NM: Did a Compromised Giuliani Pull His Punches in Hillary Race?

2000-05-15 Thread MICHAEL SPITZER

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Monday May 15, 2000; 12:03 AM EDT

Did a Compromised Giuliani Pull His Punches in Hillary Race?

Despite his image as a tough as nails take-no-prisoners
campaigner, New York Mayor Rudy Giuliani never seemed willing to
take the gloves off in his Senate race against First Lady Hillary
Clinton -- as NewsMax.com discovered last September.

We caught up with the mayor on his regular Friday morning radio
show and asked him whether he was willing to press Hillary on the
"B" question:

 "Do you think the first lady should respond to questions about
Juanita Broaddrick's charge that her husband raped her?," we
asked. "Should Hillary tell us whether she believes Juanita?"

 "No, I don't think so," Giuliani shot back. "I don't think
that's an issue that should be part of any Senate campaign or
anything I should get involved with."

 Do tell.

With the New York press airing Rudy's marital dirty laundry by
the bucketful, now we see just how vulnerable he was on the
personal front.

Not that the mayor was trying all that hard to keep things under
wraps. Giuliani spent Friday night squiring his "very good
friend" Judi Nathan around town as photogs snapped away. (New
York's two leading tabloids frontpaged the juicy pics on
Saturday.)

 No wonder Giuliani didn't want to challenge the first lady on
any aspect of her private life, including even the startling
charge that her husband, The President of the United States, may
be a rapist.

 Would the mayor have broached the "B" question if the windows in
his own glass house weren't quite so large? It's hard to tell,
though nationwide fundraising letters that went out under Rudy's
name were chock full of references to the threat a Senator
Hillary would pose to "traditional values."

 What's known for certain is that the usually glib Clinton gang
has an extraordinarily difficult time explaining their position
on Broaddrick's allegation.

 The president himself will only respond to the "B" question in
classic "talk to my lawyer" mob parlance.

 And though the mainstream press gave it next to no coverage, the
most dramatic moment to date of the 2000 presidential campaign
came when New Hampshire housewife Kathrine Prudhomme asked Vice
President Al Gore what he thought of Broaddrick's story.

 A visibly shaken Gore tapped danced around an answer before
deciding to pretend he was only vaguely familar with the case. To
make matters worse, the Veep repeatedly referred to Clinton's
alleged rape as "a personal mistake."

 Plainly, the "B" question could have been a blockbuster in the
New York Senate race, especially in light of Hillary's early
history in Arkansas as a crusader against sexual violence and
founder of the state's first rape crisis hotline.

 No doubt Mrs. Clinton's vulnerablity on this point also explains
why New York's pro-Hillary press refuses to broach the topic
themselves.

But it isn't just Broaddrick. Throughout the campaign, Rudy
seemed to pull his punches on a whole range of questions that
could have thrown Hillary for a loop.

 While the first lady was making political hay hand over fist on
the issue of police brutality, her own St. Patrick's Day security
staff was alleged to have assaulted reporters who were trying to
cover her while parade goers booed.

 A live on-the-scene report of the violence was broadcast to a
hundred thousand listeners on WABC radio just minutes after the
parade ended. Reaction from the Giuliani camp? Zippo.

 Team Giuliani took another pass on charges that Hillary had
bilked New York state taxpayers in 1991 out of a hundred thousand
dollars in state education money. The arrangement was part of a
sweetheart deal set up between the state's National Center on
Education and the Economy and Hillary's own Rose Law firm.

 A 1996 investigation by then-New York State Attorney General
Dennis Vacco found that Hillary did next to no work for the
jackpot she collected.

Pretty explosive charges, especially when lodged against a
candidate like the first lady, who's made saving New York's
failing public education system a top campaign priority.

 Was Giuliani so worried about his own Achilles heel that he
shied away from these Hillary-hot potatoes?

 It's difficult to imagine any other reason why a campaigner as
tough as Rudy let Hillary slide time and time again.



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[CTRL] Moms' March Had One Degree Of Separation From Clintons

2000-05-15 Thread MICHAEL SPITZER

May 15, 2000--Wall Street Journal

Commentary

Moms' March Had One Degree
Of Separation From Clintons

By Lisa Schiffren, a full-time mother and a member of the board
of the Independent Women's Forum.

Motherhood is one of the things politicians are most eager to
co-opt. So Americans flipping on the TV yesterday were subjected
to endless coverage of righteous marchers declaiming earnestly
about the evils of guns, and led by those towering moral leaders,
Rosie O'Donnell and Hillary Clinton.

  Donna Dees-Thomases, the organizer of the
  Million Mom March, is a putative political
  newcomer. She likes to be considered, as Time
  magazine described her, "a housewife and mother
  of two young children, from New Jersey." And
  she appears to be an intuitive genius at politicizing
  motherhood.

  For one thing, even though a mere 100,000
  marchers were expected, the "Million Mom"
  moniker conveyed intimidating political heft. For
  another, she rustled up vast press coverage,
  almost all entirely sympathetic and willing to take
  her assertions at face value. She pitched perfectly
  to potential marchers and the media by talking
  about the "frustration of moms" at gun violence,
and describing her willingness to spend the past year organizing this movement
as a pure outgrowth of her "maternal instinct."

Indeed, in myriad interviews, Mrs. Dees-Thomases attributed her
crusade to watching the terrible footage of small children being
led out of the Jewish Community Center in Granada Hills, Calif.,
last summer, after a gunman opened fire in the lobby, killing
several kids. She has children that age, so naturally she
immediately reserved the Washington Mall for a march the
following Mother's Day.

I'm embarrassed to say that, even though I am a mom with children
at a Jewish preschool, who was also deeply horrified by that
shooting, I didn't think of organizing a march. It would have
been fun, especially if we didn't have to drag along the
double-strollers, snacks and changing pads. But our school
immediately sent letters advising parents that it was instituting
antiterrorism measures. Given the actual goal of protecting
children, that seemed to be a bit more on point.

You may have guessed by now that Mrs. Dees-Thomases is not
precisely a housewife. She is currently on leave from her job as
a publicist at CBS, where she now works for David Letterman and
previously worked for Dan Rather. That explains her media savvy
and contacts. It also happens that she is the sister-in-law of
Susan Thomases, Hillary Clinton's closest friend, long-time
political strategist, heavy-handed enforcer, and, frequently,
attorney of record. Ms. Thomases is known to have been summoned
to Arkansas to scare off women threatening to sue or squeal on
President Clinton. She was Mrs. Clinton's attorney through part
of the Whitewater scandal, reportedly so that Hillary could
confide in her without fear of subpoena. She was active in both
Clinton campaigns, and is said to be influential in this year's
Senate campaign. Oddly -- or not -- only two of the two-dozen
newspaper articles I read on the march beforehand mentioned this
interesting relationship.

Call me believer in the Vast Left Wing Conspiracy, but my guess
is that Donna Dees-Thomases didn't act alone: The event was a
White House put-up job. When a novice organizes a major media
event and putative "grassroots movement" perfectly orchestrated
to promote an issue that the Clinton administration, senatorial
candidate Mrs. Clinton, and presidential candidate Al Gore wish
to raise during this election cycle, it is worth noting that the
organizer,

Mrs. Dees-Thomases, has but one degree of separation from the
Clintons. It is stunning that almost no reporters have asked what
advice and assistance Mrs. Dees-Thomases received from her
sister-in-law, and from the Clinton White House.

Why, you may wonder, is gun control so important to the permanent
Clinton campaign? As an issue, it has two fabulous attributes. It
is essentially, free, unlike policies that win votes by
redistributing the money of the voting classes. And, more
importantly, it is a quintessential gender-gap issue. Democrats
depend on what has been an almost automatic majority of women's
votes. But Mrs. Clinton has actually been behind among women
voters in New York, and George W. Bush appears to be giving Al
Gore more of a run than Republicans usually do for women's votes
nationwide.

It happens that a large majority (73%, according to some surveys)
of women are in favor of additional gun controls. So ginning up
the issue -- starting by creating unfounded fears about the
likelihood that middle-class children will be killed by random
gun violence -- is a ploy to win those necessary women's votes.

[CTRL] Fw: Parvanov Takes (is Given?) Power. So What?

2000-05-15 Thread Mrs. Jela Jovanovic, Secretary General

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PARVANOV TAKES (IS GIVEN?) POWER.  SO WHAT?

by Blagovesta Doncheva (5-15-00)


First our cast of characters (alas, mostly villains):

The Union of Democratic (Demonic?) Forces or UDF. The UDF was formed by the
Bulgarian Communist Party Political Bureau, headed by Lukanov. In 1989 the
Communists had more than a million members. The leadership was in a hurry
to
turn themselves into good capitalists and needed an 'opposition', that is a
controlled opposition, to frighten their members into submitting to the new
(capitalist) line.

At first the UDF was composed of officers of the Secret Police, sons and
daughters of powerful members of the BSP and a host of Communist officials
at various levels. It was not an authentic grassroots organization.

It was created in December, 1989, after which the manipulated dreamers for
freedom and rights (like me, alas!) rushed to join and give it substance.

When I realized what I had gotten myself into, my first thought was to
rename the UDF 'Union of Secret Police'.

The Bulgarian Socialist Party (BSP).

This party is what remained of the Bulgarian Communist Party after its rib
was removed to form the UDF. The BSP is without clear ideology. They say
they are leftist but the leadership and many members are bankers, owners of
export-import firms, etc. They are ridiculous. The BSP has about 200,000
members. At its last Congress, the BSP (remarkably) declared itself
NATOite.
Many are leaving.

Ivan Kostov, Bulgarian Premier and
head of the UDF. An ardent Globalisation groupie and NATOist; very much
'our
guy' for both Uncle Sam and the European Union (EU) Social-Democrats. Would
sell mama without hesitation but the price must be right. Or at least
reasonable, for he is a man of principle.

Georgi Sedefchov Parvanov. A Leader of the BSP; a former and newly elected
Secretary of the BSP; a newly-converted NATOist; an MP; he is called
"Sedefcho' by some BSP members. (This diminutive suggests lack of
character,
readiness to bend for the powerful.)

Has he ever had an opinion of his own? Perish the thought. Or, if one had
the bad luck of falling into his skull, he shed it fast. One can never be
too cautious. A small man, gray, most convenient for the Globalisation and
NATO boys.

Ms. Tatjana Doncheva, lawyer, MP, member of the BSP leadership; anti-NATO
in
1999, passionately pro-NATO in 2000. She told the dumbfounded BSP members
in
the town of Shumen in January that loyalty to the party means loyalty to
NATO. I have been told by friends from the town of Gabrovo that during the
local elections she did her best to make sure the independent candidate,
officially supported by the BSP, lost to the UDF candidate. The independent
candidate won despite this help because he had sense enough to organize an
independent team of experts and ignore Tatjana Doncheva.

Roumen Ovcharov, member of the BSP Supreme Council, MP. Ovcharov ran as the
BSP candidate for a Mayor of Sofia.

Or perhaps I should say 'pretended to run.' Because in fact the BSP and UDF
privately agreed that the Mayor of Sofia would be Stefan Sofianski from the
UDF. Mr Ovcharov's election campaign was thus purely symbolic, like a
drawing or statue of a campaign. He used this pantomime to declaim the
BSP's
new pro-NATO position, saying on the TV show 'Seven Days' that only NATO
membership can protect the sovereignty of Bulgaria.

US Ambassador Richard Miles, Sofia, Bulgaria. Miles is the former
Ambassador
to Afghanistan and Belgrade. In other words, trouble follows him like a
faithful dog.

Bulgarian Civil Airlines, BGA 'Balkan' Recently privatized. The pilots
expect that Zeevi Group, the new owner, will liquidate 'Balkan' after the
end of the tourist season. We think the same.

Now for the Play. It is a tragic-comedy: Theater of the Grimly Absurd.

Parvanov Takes (Is Given?) Power.

So what?

Georgi Sedefchov Parvanov, the former and newly elected Secretary of the
Bulgarian Socialist Party (BSP) is marching boldly to power under a halo of
approval and promises of support from kind Uncle Sam and the Euro
social-democrats. That approval and support has been earned after two
months
of dining regularly with the US Ambassador in Sofia, Richard Miles, plus a
five minutes visit with Schroeder The Great - time enough for Parvanov to
pledge loyalty to NATO and 'euro-atlantic values'.

The Bulgarian media have for some time noted with relish the dinner talks
between Amb. Miles and Mr. Parvanov. According to them Miles has given
Parvanov a firm promise of much money and the promise that Parvanbov will
be allowed to come to power.

According to the newspapers, this delicious reward only requires that
Parvanov fill Bulgarian political space with passionate statements such as:
'My party and I have reassessed our position and we love NATO!' and so on.

(These newspaper rumors have produced no angry letters of denial from the
BSP.)

And 

[CTRL] AIMM-LA data dump (fwd)

2000-05-15 Thread MICHAEL SPITZER

On Sun, 14 May 2000 23:07:12 -0700 "Scott Bieser"
[EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Scott
Bieser: wrote:


Here's a quick "data dump" of what I saw at the Los Angeles SAS
vs MMM event:

There were actually two Moron Marches in Los Angeles. The
organizers had split between the soccer moms who wanted the rally
at the Federal Building in Westwood, an affluent area adjacent to
the University of California at Los Angeles, and where anti war
and pro hemp rallies are often staged; versus the "people of
color" who wanted the march on Oliviera Street near downtown
L.A., which is in a mostly Hispanic area. The Second Amendment
Sisters staged their counter-rally against the Westwood group.

Interestingly, although the various law enforcement agencies went
to great pains to keep the MMM group separated from the SAS group
while rallying, they had both of us park in the same lot. As I
entered the lot and paid my $2 to the attendent, she asked, "Are
you with the Mothers or the Sisters?" I replied, "The Sisters,"
expecting to be directed to some segregated part of the lot.
Instead she just handed me my parking stub and wished me a nice
day. So I found myself emerging from the lot in the company of
three Mothers. We didn't say anything to each other.

The Mothers were encamped on the expansive lawn between the
Federal(ist) Building and Wilshire Boulevard, a major traffic
artery. The Sisters were spread long the opposite side of
Wilshire, our backs to the fence in front of the federally-owned
(and guarded) Veterans Cemetary. In that regard it seemed highly
appropriate that about one in five of the Sisters group carried
American flags, although I preferred the Gadsden Flag carried by
one particularly determined and wonderfully hard-core Sister.
Early on some attempts were made to string signs and banners
along the sturdy concrete-and-iron fence, but the federal cops
quickly ordered those removed. I guess they were worried about
their fence falling down under the weight of the banners.

Numerically, the Mothers had the Sisters beat six ways to Sunday.
Best estimate of the Sisters was about 250 people, and my eyeball
guesstimate of the Mothers was about ten times that. I guess it
helps to have corporate sponsorships providing entertainment and
amenities for the kiddies, and to have the weight of the entire
gun-control lobby including the White House backing you up. For
our part, the crowd seemed to be dominated by "Freepies"
(subscribers to the FreeRepublic.com e-zine) as well as quite a
few NRA members, although the NRA organization didn't lift a
finger to help. The only Libertarian Party presence I recognized
were Gail Lightfoot, who is challenging Diane Feinstain for U.S.
Senate, along with her husband Richard Venable and a few other
associates, and two Orange County activists. There may have been
some Los Angeles Libertarians present but none that I could
recognize.

But while the Mothers dominated with numbers, their stage and
sound system, and their diaper-changing tents, our side
definitely had the best signage. I must commend the SAS
organizers for having produced a large number of VERY effective
protest signs. These were about 2-1/2 x 4 feet in size, using
bold letters and as few words as needed to get the message
across. The one I picked up to carry said, "Armed to Protect My
Children."

We knew the official news media would ignore us, so we focused on
getting our message across to the people in the thousands of cars
that passed by in both directions in the busy Boulevard. We
spread ourselves one-deep along the sidewalk, so that every sign
would be visible to passing cars (as well as the Moronic Mothers
across the street), and we got quite a few favorable honks and
hi-signs from the vehicular traffic.

One of the best signs was actually a 15-foot-long banner which
read, in two-foot tall letters, "Gun Control Increases Violent
Crime." This was one that was ordered removed from the cemetary
fence. So three of us turned ourselves into banner posts, and now
I was holding not only my 4-foot sign (via a cord looped around
my neck, but the left end of the large banner, via another
neck-cord attached to the banner. Reminded me of the days when I
had to wear a necktie to work.

Most of the signs carried by the other side were not readable
from across the street. Most of the unreadable signs were about
11x17 inches, mass-printed in color. Danged if I know what they
said. Some of the Mothers had hand-made signs which _were_
readable, spouting the usual drivel. The most intelligent one
was, "What kind of wild-west paradigm are you upholding, anyway?"
Most of them were on the order of "Flowers good, Guns bad." I saw
exactly three American flags in that crowd, one of them worn
folded and hanging over a guy's backside.

My award for Titanium Steel Balls goes to a trio of young men
(youngest seemed to be age 14), who each carried a yellow
hand-made pro-gun sign, and STOOD WITH THE MOTHERS! I can only
remember what one of the 

[CTRL] Action Photos: Nuclear weapons environmental action

2000-05-15 Thread DIG alfred webre

News reports of an activist intervention in USA nuclear-land re USA
nuclear war strategies on Earth and in Space.  Earth First goes
nuclear, as does Nature in Los Alamos.   Alfred Webre
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Please post and forward the following far and wide:

Photos from the in progress Katuah Earth First! "Stop the Bombs" Banner
Action in Knoxville can be found at:

http://www.tngreen.com/stopthebombs

Backround information on the need for nuclear weapons disarmament and
clean up of weapons factories can be found at the web page of our
friends at the Oak Ridge Environmental Peace Alliance:

http://www.stopthebombs.org

This action is still in progress as of Monday, 5/16 11:00 am EST!  Chris
and Dane of Katuah Earth First! have spent the night with a banner
reading "STOP THE BOMBS" dangling from the Worlds Fair Tower and Globe
(aka the Sunsphere) in downtown Knoxville, TN.

Press Release Below:

Attention: News Editor

  FOR IMMEDIATE RELEASE: May 15, 2000

 - Photo Opportunity -

Contact: Paloma Galindo - cell phone #865-719-2750 or 865-633-8483.


Activists hang high above the ground for over 30 hours from the World's
Fair Globe with a huge banner reading "STOP THE BOMBS"!


 Two Earth First! activists have scaled the Worlds Fair Globe
(which was built as a symbol of friendship between the Nations) in
downtown Knoxville, TN.  They began their assent early Sunday morning
and deployed the banner around mid-day.  These activists are taking
action in order to bring to light the United States Government's global
hypocrisy on nuclear weapons.  The US urges other countries to disarm,
but make no real effort to do so itself.  This double standard threatens
to unravel the ground work which has been laid for nuclear disarmament.

 Nuclear Weapons "refurbishment" at Y-12, the refusal of the US
Senate to ratify the Comprehensive Test Ban Treaty and the production of
nuclear weapons material at civilian facilities (TVA) send a clear
message to other nuclear states that America has every intention of
continuing the nuclear arms race into the next millennium.

 "The Y-12 Nuclear Plant's example of refurbishment is the
equivalent to me taking my beat up old Toyota to the mechanic and
getting a new Porsche in return. It is clearly not the same car, not the
same nuclear weapon." said Paloma Galindo of Katuah Earth First! The
United Nation's Non Proliferation Treaty Review Conference is still in
session for the next three days.  Because of US nuclear policies, the
world may lose an important opportunity to move towards disarmament.
Even US allies are upset.

Chris Irwin and Dane Kuppinger from Katuah Earth First! are hanging with
a huge banner reading "STOP THE BOMBS" and are prepared to stay up for
the remainder of the NPT review conference.

"Our species has to outgrow the suicidal course of nuclear weapons."
said Chris Irwin, a sixth generation Knoxvillian.

"Nuclear weapons work at Y-12 poisons the ground we live on, endangers
worker and community health and undermines world peace. We must Stop the
Bombs!" says Dane Kuppinger of Asheville, NC.

Katuah Earth First! is a non-violent direct action movement committed to
defending the Earth.

For more information, please contact:
Paloma Galindo - cell phone #865-719-2750 or 865-633-8483.

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[CTRL] Russian Environmental Digest vol 2 no. 19

2000-05-15 Thread DIG alfred webre

Russian Environmental Digest (REDfiles) is a compilation of
the week's major English-language press on environmental issues in Russia.
8 - 14 May 2000, Vol. 2, No. 19

1. Chernobyl Revisited
2. Chernobyl-Hit Farms Should Be Closed for Decades
3. Yushchenko Pledges to Close Chernobyl Reactor by Year End
4. Putin Signs Law on Punishment for Atomic Legislation Breach
5. Station Fits New Safety Training Equipment
6. A Case Shows Russia's Quandary in Preventing Leaks of Arms Lore
7. Excessive Air Pollution Affects 200 Towns
8. Fires Destroy Forests in Siberia, Far East
9. Green Prize Lawyer's Latest Win
10. Number of Infection Cases Grows in Russia As Summer Coming
11. Outbreak of Hemorrhagic Fever Endangers Stavropol Region
12. Defence Shipyard Designs Container for Radioactive Waste

1 Chernobyl Revisited The New York Times, May 14, 2000

Fourteen years after the worst accident in the history of nuclear
power, Ukraine seems determined to shut down the lone active reactor
remaining at Chernobyl by the end of the year. The long overdue
decision will close a reactor that has experienced an unsettling
variety of minor failures and end power generation at a complex that
once contained four nuclear plants. But in other ways the Chernobyl
accident still haunts the people and lands of the former Soviet Union.
The steel and concrete shell encasing the radioactive ruins of the
destroyed reactor is leaking and must be replaced.

Reactors with similar designs to those at Chernobyl -- and
considerable safety problems -- still operate in Russia and Lithuania.
Several countries in Eastern Europe and the former Soviet Union depend
on other types of Soviet-built reactors that also fall short of
Western safety standards. These are expensive problems, requiring
money that former Soviet bloc nations do not have. The West has
provided millions in financial assistance, but it will have to
contribute more to improve nuclear safety and close dangerous
reactors.

The sarcophagus that houses the No. 4 reactor at Chernobyl, the one
that exploded in April 1986, is unstable and cracked. The European
Bank for Reconstruction and Development is trying to raise $768
million to reseal the tomb temporarily and to build a new one. So far,
the United States and European nations have given only about half that
amount. When donor nations meet in Berlin this summer, they must
pledge to pay the balance.

A second need is to continue to care for those affected by the
Chernobyl disaster. The greatest problem is thyroid cancer in people
who were children at the time of the accident. Most of the 2,000
victims so far live in Belarus and are being treated with help from
the World Health Organization.

In 1992, the Group of Seven industrialized nations recommended the
closure of 25 Soviet-designed reactors, including all Chernobyl-style
power plants. These reactors -- there are 14 today -- are considered
the most dangerous. Though they have been upgraded to fix the flaws
that contributed to the Chernobyl disaster, they remain unsafe. The 43
other Soviet-design reactors in use are considered somewhat safer, but
all need more backup systems and other protective measures. The
poverty of former Soviet nations adds to the risk. At Chernobyl, for
example, maintenance is slighted and employees have often had to wait
months for their paychecks.

The desire to join the European Union has encouraged Lithuania,
Slovakia and Bulgaria to try to meet European safety standards by
scheduling early closing of their most dangerous reactors. It is no
small sacrifice for a poor nation to shut down a source of cheap
energy. Lithuania, for example, is planning to close one of its two
reactors, which together provide 75 percent of the country's power.

The industrialized nations have been talking about helping Ukraine to
close Chernobyl for years. Their aid will take the form of loans to
complete two new nuclear reactors -- a bad idea, as the reactors will
not meet Western safety standards. The safer, if costlier, choice
would be to build a coal plant and improve the energy efficiency of
existing factories. Few catastrophes have less respect for borders
than a nuclear meltdown. Unsafe reactors are an international problem,
and decommissioning requires international cooperation.

(back to top)

2 Chernobyl-Hit Farms Should Be Closed for Decades Agence France
Presse, May 10, 2000

Food-growing areas that were hit by fallout from Chernobyl should be
restricted for several more decades rather than be allowed to reopen
in the near future, a scientific team warns.

Dangerous residues of caesium 137 can linger far longer in the soil
and water than initially thought, they say.

Ukraine, much of Belarus and parts of Russia were severely
contaminated by radioactive debris that spewed into the air after
Chernobyl's No. 4 reactor exploded on April 26 1986.

The fallout also affected swaths of Scandinavia, eastern and central
Europe, sowing "hot spots" of radioactivity, depending on 

[CTRL] News from Hebron: War and Cowardice (fwd)

2000-05-15 Thread MICHAEL SPITZER

-- Forwarded message --
Date: Mon, 15 May 2000 15:14:31 +0200
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Subject: News from Hebron: War and Cowardice

News from Hebron
The Hebron Press Office
May 15, 2000

All Out War

Arabs throughout the palestinian authority regions have declared
war on Israel. In Jenin an Israeli officer was wounded by enemy
gunfire. According to latest reports, a gun-battle is raging in
the Ramallah area, at the Yosh Junction. At least one Israeli
soldier was critically wounded and others are reported to have
been injured. According to eyewitness accounts, the Arab
attackers include 'palestinian police.'

In Gazza, near the Israeli community Netzarim, hundreds of Arabs
are rioting and throwing rocks at Israeli security forces,
closing the road outside the community. Other areas attacked
include Kevel Rachel (Rachel's Tomb) in Bethlehem.

In Hebron Arabs attacked Israeli security forces with rocks,
firebombs and burning tires. Over 30 firebombs have been hurled
so far at Israeli soldiers near the Tarpat Junction, bordering
Israeli controlled Hebron and the area abandoned to Arafat.
Hundreds of rocks cover the road and four burning tires were
rolled towards the soldiers. The Israeli forces shot
rubber-coated bullets at the attackers.

The excuse given for the attacks throughout Judea, Samaria and
Gazza is "Nakba Day" - or catastrophe day, marking the Israeli
declaration of independence. The Arabs declared a general strike
and sounded a siren at 10:00 this morning, saluting all those
killed fighting Israel.

A Hebron spokesman issued the following statement: The Israeli
response to the Arab declaration of war can only be described as
humiliating cowardice. This morning the Israel government decided
to abandon three Arab cities, bordering East Jerusalem, to
Arafat, including Abu Dis and Azaria. This "gesture of good will"
is supposedly in response to reports that Arafat's 'police' have
captured and jailed Hamas terrorist Muhammad Def, reponsible for
the deaths of dozens of Israelis. Def, considered to be the most
dangerous terrorist still free, has roamed the streets of Gazza
as a free man, in spite of the outstanding warrants against him.
Israel television reported last night that Def was apprehended a
few days ago. This morning Arab sources denied the reports,
saying that one of Def's deputies was arrested.

The Israeli cabinet, voting 15 to 6, approved Barak's cowardly
surrender to the Arafat-Clinton demands that he transfer total
military control of Abu Dis to the palestinian authority
immediately. Voting against the plan were Ministers Rabbi Yitzhak
Levi, Natan Sharansky, and the 4 Shas ministers.  Minister
Yitzhak Levi of the NRP (Mafdal) informed the cabinet of this
party's withdrawal from the coalition. Levi suspended all of his
ministerial activities and is expected to officially resign next
week, following a meeting and formal decision by the NRP's
Central Committee.

Abu Dis sitting on Jerusalem's border, overlooks Temple Mount,
Judaism's holiest site. Abandonment of Abu Dis to Arafat is the
beginning of an Arab hangman's noose around the Holy City.

It may very well be that next year Israelis will mark Nakba Day -
the Day of Catastrophe, together with the Arabs. The Arabs will
mark the declaration of Israeli Independence and Israelis will
mark the beginning of the surrender of Jerusalem to Arafat.

The current administration, with Ehud Barak at the helm, will
undoubtedly be remembered in history as the most cowardly
leadership in the annals of the Jewish people. The abandonment
and division of Jerusalem on the very day that Israeli forces are
being shot at by enemy forces is pathetic, inexcusable, and
unforgivable.




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[CTRL] Moms Vs. Powerful NRA; Why Not Total Gun Ban?

2000-05-15 Thread MICHAEL SPITZER

From:
http://www.mediaresearch.org

Media Research Center CyberAlert
Monday May 15, 2000 (Vol. Five; No. 83)

Moms Vs. "Powerful" NRA; Why Not Total Gun Ban? SUVs the
"Meanest"

1) ABC's Cokie Roberts adopted the marcher's spin, announcing
their "call for sensible gun legislation." Rosie O'Donnell's
reasoning: "I will always support the Democrats and I love the
Democratic agenda about gun control. This is not about politics."

2) Sunday morning NBC's Soledad O'Brien repeatedly bemoaned how
it's "a bunch of mothers" up against the "very powerful and well-
funded" NRA. She insisted "the Million Mom Marcher's platform is
admittedly moderate," asking: "Do you think it's too moderate?"

3) Friday night ABC offered a balanced presentation on how women
feel about gun control, CBS delivered outright liberal-cause
advocacy and NBC landed somewhere in between in focusing mainly
on "three generations" of women attending the Million Mom March.

4) "GMA at the White House: Moms  Guns," offered minimal
opposition to the pro-gun control line. Of questions posed or
statements made by moms, 20 offered a pro-gun control point
versus just 8 with an anti-gun control point.

5) Bryant Gumbel lamented: "Why are you only focusing on
licensing and registration?...Why aren't you going for example
for a total ban?" Congress won't do anything about guns, though
"we all hope for the best."

6) Bush moved left on guns, but Today's Katie Couric still hit
him from the left: "So you think it's perfectly alright for
people to carry concealed weapons into churches across the
country?"

7) "In a rare moment of corporate candor," CBS's Bob Orr
trumpeted Friday night, Ford "admitted...SUVs are gas-guzzling
polluters and a threat to people in smaller cars." Orr dubbed
SUVs Ford's "meanest" vehicles. ABC, CNN and NBC also jumped on
the news.


 "If It Isn't Big Government, It's Risky: Media Ridicule
Bush's Social Security Reform Plans, but Gore's Scheme Is Called
‘Conservative.'" The May 11 Media Reality Check is now online.
The report by Rich Noyes, Director of the MRC's Free Market
Project, begins: "Here's how journalists are aiding the effort to
undermine privatization: first, echo Vice President Al Gore's
‘risky scheme' spin; then appear balanced by hitting Gore on his
over-the-top rhetoric; and finally portray Gore's plan to hijack
the surplus to increase benefits as ‘conservative.'" To read the
rest, go to:

http://www.mediaresearch.org/news/reality/2000/Fax2511.html



 1) The Sunday morning interview shows on ABC, CBS, CNN, Fox
and NBC all balanced Million Mom March (MMM) advocates with gun
rights defenders, though ABC's Cokie Roberts adopted the spin of
the pro-gun control marchers when she introduced MMM emcee Rosie
O'Donnell who soon betrayed the very political agenda shielded by
the image of stroller-pushing moms.

ABC's This Week put Cokie Roberts on the Mall for its lead
interview with O'Donnell. Roberts set up the segment: "Here on
the Mall thousands of women are expected later this morning to
protest gun violence and call for sensible gun legislation."

Of course, "sensible gun legislation" is not an objective
summary but the exact phrase used by MMM organizers.

Roberts asked O'Donnell about the political agenda behind the
march: "You know there's been a good deal of criticism that this
is really a Clinton White House Democratic Party organized event.
Are you basically supporting the Democrats on this?"

O'Donnell responded by admitting her partisan agenda while
still, with a straight face, trying to maintain the apolitical
aura for the march: "I personally, Rosie O'Donnell, have always
been a Democrat. I will always support the Democrats and I love
the Democratic agenda about gun control. This is not about
politics. We didn't ask the people standing here before us
whether or not they're Republican or Democrat. We asked if they
care about the fact four thousand children are shot dead every
year, that 30,000 Americans are killed when a bullet enters their
body"

Roberts soon exposed any pretense that the march did not have
a political agenda. Referring to former Democratic Senate staffer
and march organizer Donna Dees-Thomases, Roberts inquired: "Ms.
Thomases also said that once the march is over the gloves come
off politically. Is that's what's happening here, that this is
organizing a political event?"

O'Donnell expressed her desire: "Well I hope that the Million
Mom March changes its status from a non-profit to a lobby
organization. I hope hat we can get the passion that is here
today and harness it and have an organization that will be
bigger, stronger, and more powerful than the NRA"

A few hours later while on stage during the rally, O'Donnell
shouted: "The NRA is buying votes with blood money!"

Good to see we're all working to bring people together for
the benefit of the children.


 2) Sunday morning on Today and MSNBC Soledad O'Brien
repeatedly bemoaned how 

[CTRL] [1] The Covert War Against Rock

2000-05-15 Thread Kris Millegan

An excerpt from:
The Covert War Against Rock
Alex Constantine©2000
All Rights Reserved
Feral House
2554 Lincoln Blvd. #1059
Venice, California 90291
ISBN 0-922915-61-X
179 pps. -- First Edition -- In-Print
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A great book. Highly recommended! Here is a short taste. There is so much in
this book.  Not just for rock 'n' roll fans.
Om
K
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FORWARD

Corporate media harbors hundreds of CIA propagandists and fawninq loyalists
who find revelations concerning domestic political assassinations
inconvenient and stroll by with little comment. The central revelation of
this volume is the fact that the Agency and Organized Crime have, for over
over thirty years, engaged in a program to silence popular musicians whose
influence subverts the cynical thought control tactics of American government
and media. There exists within both worlds a rigidly "conservative"
infrastructure that has little regard for human rights. This infrastructure
has contributed to the rise of every fascist regime in the Third World. It
has overthrown many a democratically-elected leader and favors death squad
rule. It thrives on war, propaganda and social control. It takes a dim view
of critics in the music industry, particularly young "communards" who
advocate demilitarization, dread-locked musicians standing up for their
rights, or street Thugs who condemn police violence and suggest shooting back.

The untimely deaths of John Lennon, Bob Marley, Tupac Shakur, and other rock
musicians who lashed out at the established order were followed by widespread
suspicion of foul play. The murder of Lennon led Fenton Bressler, an English
barrister, to descend reluctantly into the hidden labyrinth of CIA mind
control operations, and the result of his investigation, Wbo Killed John
Lennon? ( 1989), raised provocative questions regarding the deep history of
Mark David Chapman. But Bressler was an exception. Hard questions concerning
the deaths of most musicians in this book have never been asked. On the
contrary, many reporters and biographers are inclined to dismiss, with
varying degrees of condescension, evidence of murder as grist for exotic
conspiracy theories (though these, of course, do tend to run rampant when
fascism, which is inherently conspiratorial, dominates the intelligence
community). This unwillingness to dissect covert operations renders reporters
with integrity incapable of evaluating the evidence and arriving at an
objective judgment. An attempt is made here to correct this imbalance, to
treat the evidence with the seriousness it deserves.

A sobering example: ten years ago, the statement that Brian Jones, founding
member of the Rolling Stones, was murdered would have been met with ridicule.
Everyone knew that Jones died in 1969 by accidental drowning. The "rational"
view held that Jones was a fiercely talented but precocious, drug-crazed
rogue with an irrepressible death wish. But the subsequent confession of his
killer, and the testimony of several witnesses intimidated into silence, has
since dispelled the status quo belief (though the press remains largely
indifferent). Brian Jones was murdered. Journalists should take care not to
let it happen again, but this is not a profession that readily learns from
its mistakes. Reporters will transcribe the official verdict on the next
"accidental drowning," pride themselves on their "objectivity" for refusing
to be lured by bothersome details into contradicting the official record. A
politically indifferent public will accept all this and the hypocritical
distortions of the propagandists.

Anyone with a penchant to research the subject is advised that there are
patterns to look for to distinguish a political hit from the apolitical
variety and accidental or natural causes. Nearly all celebrity subjects of
this volume knew extreme "paranoia" before their deaths. John Lennon and Jim
Morrison were both driven to desperation by constant FBI harassment. Jones
was made a nervous wreck by police raids and the intimidations of a circle of
killers who infiltrated his household. Jimi Hendrix feared Michael Jeffrey,
his manager, a self-avowed intelligence agent with Mafia ties, who stole from
him, then arranged for his kidnapping and probable murder. Bob Marley
received a death threat from the CIA, and sang about his "War" with the
Agency. Tupac Shakur lived in defiance of a COINTELPRO-type operation waged,
he realized, to destroy his career and silence him.

Another recurring theme is the posthumous publication of books libelling the
deceased and misleading the reader on the circumstances of death. Bob
Woodward, Danny Sugarman and the late Albert Goldman worked this genre and
profited handsomely from it. In the "mainstream" media, discrediting tactics
are also common, and the death is almost always blamed on the victim. Cass
Elliott, according to one fraudulent medical expert and a flurry of erroneous
press reports, was claimed by "gluttony." Jones was a victim of vague
"misadventure," and drugs 

[CTRL] [2] The Covert War Against Rock

2000-05-15 Thread Kris Millegan

An excerpt from:
The Covert War Against Rock
Alex Constantine©2000
All Rights Reserved
Feral House
2554 Lincoln Blvd. #1059
Venice, California 90291
ISBN 0-922915-61-X
179 pps. -- First Edition -- In-Print
--[2]--
CHAPTER ONE

A (Killing) Field Day for the Heat


TIME MACHINE: THE SWING KIDS

SWING KIDS INVOLVES A VERY SMALL FOOTNOTE TO A VERY LARGE HISTORICAL EVENT.
IN NAZI GERMANY IN 1939, WE LEARN, WHILE HITLER WAS ROUNDING UP JEWS AND
LAUNCHING WORLD WAR II, A SMALL GROUP OF KIDS WORE THEIR HAIR LONG AND DANCED
TO THE SWING MUSIC OF SUCH BANNED MUSICIANS As BENNY GOODMAN AND COUNT BASIE.
OCCASIONALLY THEY GOT INTO FIGHTS WITH THE BROWNSHIRTS OF THE HITLER YOPTH
BRIGADES.

IF THE SWING KIDS HAD EVOLVED INTO AN UNDERGROUND MOVEMENT DEDICATED TO THE
OVERTHROW OF NAZISM, WE MIGHT BE ONTO SOMETHING HERE. BUT No. A TITLE CARD AT
THE END OF THE FILM INFORMS US THAT SOME OF THE KIDS DIED AT THE HANDS OF THE
NAZIS, AND OTHERS WERE FORCED INTO THE GERMAN ARMY AND KILLED IN BATTLE . . .
[1]
ROGER EBERT, FILM REVIEW, MARCH 5, 1993







In 1967, an increasingly subversive form of music melded with politics in San
Francisco. Still eclipsed by federal classification are the tactics of the
intelligence sector in the destabilization of the lives of politically-tuned
musicians on the fringe of the anti-war movement, as revealed before the
Senate Intelligence Committee in a leaked intelligence memorandum submitted
for the record on April 26, 1976:

Show them as scurrilous and depraved. Call attention to their habits and
living conditions, explore every possible embarrassment. Send in women and
sex, break up marriages. Have members arrested on marijuana charges.
Investigate personal conflicts or animosities between them. Send articles to
the newspapers showing their depravity. Use narcotics and free sex to entrap.
Use misinformation to confuse and disrupt. Get records of their bank
accounts. Obtain specimens of handwriting. Provoke target groups into
rivalries that may result in death. ["Intelligence Activities and Rights of
Americans," Book. II, April 26 1976, Senate Committee with Respect to
Intelligence Report]

For the first time since its creation, the warfare state meticulously erected
by the Dulles brothers, J. Edgar Hoover, Dean Acheson General Douglas
MacArthur, Henry Kissinger, Richard Nixon and an army of anti-Communist cold
warriors was threatened by an increasingly militant segment of the
population. "Fascists" and "Pigs" burned in effigy on campus from sea to
psychedelic sea.

The Federal Bureau of Investigation rose to the challenge. Many rock
musicians of the day struggled for a place in the American pantheon of
stardom only to experience ferocious political repression. "That's what
killed us," recollects Roger McGuinn, lead guitarist for the Byrds. "We got
blackballed after drug allegations in 'Eight Miles High,"' and Hoover's spies
never seemed far away. "They'd been chasing after us because somebody left
some hashish in the airplane coming back from England. So they came down on
us in a recording studio and said, 'Whose is this?' Of course nobody claimed
it." On one occasion, on tour in Iowa, David Crosby, lounging on the balcony
of a Holiday Inn, whiled away the time before a concert firing .22 caliber
blanks with a slingshot at a brick wall about thirty feet down. A group of
"Rednecks" staying at the Motel played poker at the ground level, and riled
by the tiny explosions, "started climbing over the balcony, fuming, 'Guys
died in Iwo Jima for punks like you,"' McGuinn recalls. "They were pounding
on Crosby, when suddenly the FBI appeared. You know, 'FBI, son. Break it up!'
They took these guys out and sent them off to their room. I don't know if it
was just a coincidence, but what were [the FBI] doing in the middle of Iowa?
From then on I used to be looking over my shoulder, thinking the government
was after me."[2]

The deaths of Byrds' guitarists Clarence White in July, 1973, and Gram
Parsons two months later, have long been grist for speculation. Clarence
White and his brothers were packing the car after a show in Palmdale,
California-the home of Lockheed (military contractor and CIA haunt)—when
Clarence was struck by a drunk driver named Yoko Ito. Alan Munde, a banjo
player for the White Brothers when they toured England and Sweden in the
spring of 1973, recalled in an interview taped at the Tennessee Banjo
Institute that White then lived "near Lancaster, California, where his mother
and dad had lived But that's where Edwards Air Force Base was, and that's
where there was a lot of aircraft industry up there, and Poland [White's dad]
worked there ... and then Clarence bought a house ... and [performed] at a
club, you know, that Clarence had played many many times before he was with
the Byrds, to pick, and was just comin' out loadin' up the stuff, and had put
the stuff in the trunk and walked around to get into the car, and the lady
came by and sideswiped the car and hit him, and knocked him 

Re: [CTRL] Prescriptions was 10 reasons etc.

2000-05-15 Thread Kathleen

On 15 May 00, at 11:57, Tenorlove wrote:

Date sent:  Mon, 15

 My former pediatrician, Luis Pupo, insisted my child take Zithromax

 We're going through the
 same battle with our new insurance and my husband's Lipitor.

Two instances don't warrant a blanket statement.

You could (1 change physicians or  2(Hold your ground and insist
on the lower priced drug  3)Ask for samples

Just FYI however, not all statins are equivalent.  Ask if there is
something in your husbands lipid panel that makes Lipitor the best
choice.

The pediatrician's preference for Zithromax most likely was based
on the proven fact that more people will complete a 5 day course of
treatment than a 10 day course.  Many people start to get better,
stop the antibiotic and contribute to the emergence of a resistant
organism.

--
Kathleen

"When liberty is taken away by force, it can be restored by force.  When it is 
relinquished voluntarily by default, it can neve
r be recovered." - Dorothy Thompson

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[CTRL] Helluva War

2000-05-15 Thread Alamaine

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Did Clinton's Drug Czar Lead Gulf War Slaughter Of Iraqis?
New Yorker Magazine Press Release

In ``Overwhelming Force,'' in the May 22, 2000, issue of The New Yorker,
Seymour M. Hersh reports on the activities of the 24th Infantry Division during
the 1991 Gulf War. The 24th was commanded by General Barry R. McCaffrey, who
now serves as the director of the White House Office of National Drug Control
Policy. Hersh concentrates on three episodes in the campaign: the Battle of
Rumaila, on March 2, 1991, which took place two days after President Bush
declared a ceasefire; and two incidents, on February 27th and March 1st, in
which Army personnel have been accused of wrongly shooting Iraqis who posed no
threat to them and who, in the case of the February 27th incident, had already
surrendered. All three of these episodes have been investigated by the Army,
which found no wrongdoing, but, Hersh reports, key witnesses and information
were either missed or ignored. Hersh interviewed more than two hundred past and
present enlisted men and officers over the six months he spent preparing this
account, including the Army's own investigators. Taken together, they present a
picture that is, as editor David Remnick remarks in a Comment accompanying
Hersh's article, ``at a minimum, unsettling.''

March 2, 1991: On the morning of March 2nd, Hersh writes, ``McCaffrey reported
that, despite the ceasefire, his division had suddenly come under attack from a
retreating Republican Guard tank division.'' There was disagreement among the
officers assigned to McCaffrey's mobile headquarters, Hersh reports, about the
significance and strength of the Iraqi attack and about whether there had
indeed been an attack at all. There was also profound disagreement over the
appropriate level for the division's response. Nonetheless, McCaffrey, after a
delay, ``ordered an assault in force -- an all-out attack,'' Hersh writes. The
assault destroyed some seven hundred Iraqi tanks, armored cars, and trucks.

``Many of the generals interviewed for this account believe that McCaffrey's
attack went too far, and violated one of the most fundamental military
doctrines: that a commander must respond in proportion to the threat,'' Hersh
writes. ``That's the way we're trained,'' one major general tells Hersh. ``A
single shot does not signal a battle to the death. Commanders just don't willy-
nilly launch on something like that. A disciplined commander is going to figure
out who fired it, and where it came from. Especially if your mission is to
enforce a ceasefire. Who should have been better able to instill fire
discipline than McCaffrey?''

In testimony before Congress and in written responses to questions sent to him
by Hersh, McCaffrey has said that the Iraqis attacked first and that the
subsequent response by the 24th was necessary to protect the lives of American
soldiers. But, Hersh reports, McCaffrey's version of events was disputed by
soldiers and officers who were at the scene on March 2nd. The assault ``was not
so much a counterattack provoked by enemy fire as a systematic destruction of
Iraqis who were generally fulfilling the requirements of the retreat,'' Hersh
writes. McCaffrey, in his written responses to Hersh, says, ``I believe that my
actions at Rumaila were completely appropriate and warranted in order to defend
my troops against unknown and largely unknowable enemy forces and intentions.''

Among McCaffrey's harshest critics are several of his fellow Gulf War generals.
``There was no need to be shooting at anybody,'' Lieutenant General James H.
Johnson, Jr. (Ret.), then the commander of the 82nd Airborne, tells Hersh.
``They couldn't surrender fast enough. The war was over.'' The officer in
charge of enforcing the ceasefire, Lieutenant General John J. Yeosock (Ret.),
says, ``What Barry ended up doing was fighting sand dunes and moving rapidly.''
He was ``looking for a battle.'' Major General Ronald Griffith, who commanded
the 1st Armored Division of VII Corps, says of McCaffrey, ``He made it a battle
when it was never one.''

After the ceasefire, the rules of engagement had been revised; commanders were
to protect their troops and hold their positions but they were no longer
authorized to initiate offensive military actions on their own unless they
faced an imminent threat. In the two days following the ceasefire, McCaffrey
had moved his forces toward an access road Iraqis were using to retreat, Hersh
reports, ``without informing all the senior officers who needed to know --
inside his own division operations center at XVIII Corps, and at Third Army
headquarters.''

Early on March 2nd, a Scout unit reported to McCaffrey's command post that it
was being fired upon by the retreating Iraqis and that it had returned fire in
self-defense. The 

Re: [CTRL] Bush And Ephedrine

2000-05-15 Thread William Shannon

In a message dated 5/14/00 8:53:32 PM Central Daylight Time,
[EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:

 I am not aware of any adverse event report that can be conclusively proven
to have arisen from Ephedrine use.  In any case Ephedrine no good, for a
comparitive handful of adverse reactions, BUT Phen-Fen OKAY at least 'til it
killed people, not to mention other drugs just as bad or worse. 

Actually, I agree with you that the FDA is out of control HOWEVER it seems
that the Phen-Fen scare was overblown and may even be spurious.
As for Ephedrine...like any stimulant it MAY cause heart rhythym issues and
blood-pressure blips...

Bill.

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Re: [CTRL] Prescriptions was 10 reasons etc.

2000-05-15 Thread William Shannon

In a message dated 5/15/00 4:47:33 PM Central Daylight Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED]
writes:

 The pediatrician's preference for Zithromax most likely was based
 on the proven fact that more people will complete a 5 day course of
 treatment than a 10 day course.  Many people start to get better,
 stop the antibiotic and contribute to the emergence of a resistant
 organism. 


Kat is absolutely correct here...not only is Zithromax the "latest and
greatest" it also help that the dose is shorter in duration. Patients are
notoriously bad at fulfilling their obligation after they start feeling
better...and that's how resistant "bugs" are hatched...Ain't evolution great?

Bill.

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[CTRL] ECTV: Another CME Occurred 5/15/00

2000-05-15 Thread DIG alfred webre


Another CME Occurred Today...05/15/00
by Mitch Battros  (ECTV)

Space weather storm expected. Several interesting solar regions are
visible on the sun today. Three large sunspot groups are visible in the
eastern hemisphere. One produced a coronal mass ejection at 03:00 a.m. MDT
(2000 15 May 0900UT). These regions will remain visible from Earth for the
next ten days.

Still no word from NASA or NOAA as to the reason of their absent report of
the massive CME that occurred on May 12th.

Data used to provide space weather services are contributed by NOAA, USAF,
NASA, NSF, USGS, the International Space Environment Services  and other
observatories, universities, and institutions.

Mitch Battros
Producer - Earth Changes TV
http://www.earthchangesTV.com

_
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consciousness.  MIRROR SITES:
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Re: [CTRL] J. Edgar Hoover Shocker?/ Worker owners of the means of production.

2000-05-15 Thread Robert F. Tatman

Go for it, Joshua...these market-worshippers need a good lesson in reality.

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 But seriously folks...if you want to know more i'll be glad to post
 information about worker ownership of corporations, the means of
production,
 and the mechanisms for turning labor into wealth.

 This is the solution.

 Joshua2


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[CTRL] Fwd: Konformist: Did Pesticides Cause Giuliani's Cancer?

2000-05-15 Thread William Shannon





Please send as far and wide as possible.

Thanks,

Robert Sterling
Editor, The Konformist
http://www.konformist.com

Read the full following article at:

http://www.konformist.com/2000/rudycancer.htm

Did Pesticides Cause Giuliani's Cancer? 
Robert Lederman ([EMAIL PROTECTED])

During a Town Hall meeting in College Point Queens on 4/27/2000 Mayor 
Giuliani responded to a question from activist Joyce Shepard concerning the 
U.S. Environmental Protection Agency's reclassification of Malathion as a 
human carcinogen. The Mayor, who had just hours earlier publicly announced 
that he was diagnosed with prostate cancer, vehemently denied that Malathion 
was a carcinogen. He stated that there were no cases of anyone becoming ill 
or getting a disease from the controversial chemical he had ordered massively 
sprayed on the City by helicopters in the Fall of 1999.

Perhaps Mayor Giuliani, who claimed that he was directly sprayed with 
Malathion numerous times from helicopters last Fall, is in denial. Perhaps he 
is characteristically refusing to admit that he is wrong. Either way, the 
facts are very much at odds with the Mayor's statement.

The following brief extract from a report in the Journal of Occupational 
Medicine specifically addresses a connection between pesticides like 
Malathion and prostate cancer:

Occup Environ Med 1999 Jan;56(1):14-21 
Mortality in a cohort of licensed pesticide applicators in Florida.

Fleming LE, Bean JA, Rudolph M, Hamilton K

Department of Epidemiology and Public Health

University of Miami School of Medicine, FL 33101, USA.

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OBJECTIVES: Although the primary hazard to humans associated with pesticide 
exposure is acute poisoning, there has been considerable concern surrounding 
the possibility of cancer and other chronic health effects in humans. Given 
the huge volume of pesticides now used throughout the world, as well as 
environmental and food residue contamination leading to chronic low level 
exposure, the study of possible chronic human health effects is 
important...Among male applicators, prostate cancer mortality (SMR 2.38 (95% 
confidence interval (95% CI) 1.83 to 3.04) was significantly increased.

CONCLUSIONS:
Consistent with previous publications on farmers but at odds with current 
theories about the protective effects of vitamin D, prostate cancer was 
increased in these pesticide applicators.


After his insistent denial that Malathion causes cancer Joyce Shepard begged 
the Mayor to personally research the chemicals he has said will be used this 
year instead of Malathion-all of which are also proven carcinogens. The Mayor 
brushed off her request and handed the microphone to Dr. Neal Cohen, his 
Commissioner of Health. Cohen, a psychiatrist who is linked to the Giuliani 
administration by marriage and who has been a vociferous defender of the 
spraying program, is considered by many to be a puppet totally unqualified to 
hold his past as Commissioner of Public Health.

Later in the evening a man got up from the audience and told the Mayor that 
last year he had been eating his dinner by an open window and had been 
directly sprayed. The visibly ill man complained there was no advance warning 
before the helicopters arrived and reported immediately vomiting, being 
knocked off his feet and suffering significant health consequences from the 
direct exposure. The Mayor's unsympathetic response was that in a large 
operation like the spraying, accidents will happen.

Accidents will indeed happen but can one call knowingly exposing millions to 
a known carcinogen, failing to give adequate notice, ignoring virtually every 
safety recommendation on the products' label [see links to labels below] and 
deliberately and repeatedly lying about the known risks of exposure-to be 
accidents?

The Mayor and Dr. Cohen announced that this year they will spray Resmethrin, 
Sumethrin and Permethrin-all of which were also massively sprayed last year 
from trucks-across much of the City if there are reports of infected 
mosquitoes. The quotes following my comments are a minute sample of the huge 
amount of literature readily available on these chemicals to anyone with a 
computer or the time to visit a public library.

The question is, will the Giuliani administrationís insistence on 
unnecessarily exposing us to toxic chemicals be an accident again this year? 
Considering that the City has refused to release the name of a single 
so-called victim of West Nile-like Virus [WNV], is it unreasonable to 
question whether this normally non-fatal illness is even present in New York 
or that if it is, that the certain risk of exposure to these chemicals is 
worth taking in light of the fact that according to the Department of 
Healthís and the CDCís own press releases it is:

a. extremely difficult to become infected with WNV and,

b. that the vast majority of those infected have few if any symptoms and 
fully recover without any treatment.

Considering that 

Re: [CTRL] Big Bizness Wants YOU to Vote

2000-05-15 Thread Robert F. Tatman

As a Quaker and a longtime activist in the movement for peace and social
justice, I have a lot of experience with decision-making by consensus, in
sometimes very large groups (1000+). It *is* possible to make decisions this
way, but it takes a lng time, and the nature of the decision is often
determined by who has the harder butt. Decision-making by consensus is also
highly susceptible to manipulation by a controlling minority. I've seen
*that* happen both among Quakers and among leftists committed to
"participatory democracy." (LaRouche's Labor Committee people were VERY good
at hogtieing groups until they were the only people left awake.)

BUT: when decision-making by consensus works, it works very well indeed,
precisely because there is no disgruntled minority; everyone owns the
decision, everyone has bought into the decision, everyone defends and
promotes the decision.

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Subject: Re: [CTRL] Big Bizness Wants YOU to Vote


 nessie wrote:
 
  [EMAIL PROTECTED],Internet writes:
   You may be right, but if your saying there is no democratic solution,
   who should rule?
 
  Nobody. Everybody.
 
  Everybody should directly participate in any decision that impacts their
  life. We need to, learn to consense before we act.

 Have YOU ever been in a situation where important decisions need to be
made
 by consensus? Consensus is not possible in large groups.

 J2


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Re: [CTRL] Jewish Gene Study

2000-05-15 Thread Robert F. Tatman

Yup They're going to HAVE to give it up, because if they target the
Palestinians they'll be targeting themselves as well... As Hillel put it
about the time of Jesus, when challenged to sum up the Scriptures "while
standing on one leg," "That which is hateful to yourself, do not do to
others. That is the whole of the Law and the Prophets. The rest is
commentary--go and learn it."

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 According to the Koran, the "people of the book" refers to Moslems,
 Christians and Jews.

 Does this mean the Israeli will give up looking for a virus that targets
 Palestinians?

 Prudy


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[CTRL] More on the Million Mom March

2000-05-15 Thread MICHAEL SPITZER

Monday, May 15, 2000

Made to measure for the media

Mark Steyn

National Post (Canada)
http://www.nationalpost.com/

Back in the Sixties, when he held one of Britain's oldest Cabinet
posts, Edward Heath, the Lord Privy Seal, was greeted by a
foreign dignitary as "Lord Heath." Mr Heath explained that,
though Lord Privy Seal, he was neither a lord nor a privy nor a
seal.

Likewise, yesterday's Million Mom March: there were neither a
Million, nor did they March, and, while most were Moms, their
mommyness was not their defining characteristic.  Instead of
marching, they milled on Washington's Mall, listening to keynote
speaker Rosie O'Donnell. Instead of a million, the Moms
themselves downgraded expectations to 100,000.  I see my friends
at The Sunday Telegraph in London persist in referring to the
"so-called Million Mom March," but no such niceties trouble the
U.S.  media.  Perhaps like Heinz's "57 varieties" the formulation
is now so familiar that only a boorish literalist would require
it to be accurate.  But at least, when the Rev.  Louis Farrakhan
started this thing with his Million Man March, the old
race-baiter and wacky numerologist was insistent that one million
living, breathing, countable African-Americans would be present.
There weren't.  But a deluded nutcake crazy enough to believe he
can draw a crowd has more integrity than the Moms' last-minute
attempt to pre-spin their low turnout.

As to their maternal status, Wednesday's Washington Post put it
this way: "The Million Mom March was conceived last August in a
suburban New Jersey mother's living room." Donna Dees-Thomases
"called a few friends, and they called a few friends, and within
a week they had an idea." Ah, citizen activism, you can't beat
it.  According to ABC's Elizabeth Vargas, she's "a typical mom."
According to Diane Sawyer, Ms. Dees-Thomases has "never really
organized anything larger than a car pool." According to NBC's
Lisa Myers, she's "a suburban mom, too busy with her two
daughters and a part-time job to pay much attention to politics."

Car pool, 'burbs, daughters, Jersey: you get the idea.  In fact,
Ms. Dees-Thomases used to pay quite a bit of attention to
politics: she was a staffer to two Louisiana Democrat senators,
Russell Long and Bennett Johnston.  Perhaps she snoozed her way
through those jobs, spending most of her time on the phone
organizing car pools for fellow soccer moms. But she's been
paying enough attention to politics in recent months to be a
contributor to Hillary Clinton's Senate campaign.  Still, maybe
she was just helping out a family member: Her sister-in-law,
Susan Thomases, is Hillary's closest political advisor.

Just to round things out, even that reference to "a suburban New
Jersey mother's living room" is only technically accurate.
Although Ms. Dees-Thomases is "a suburban New Jersey mother," the
living room in question was in her other home on Fire Island, the
hedonist playground long favoured by fetching young men of a
certain persuasion.  If there's anywhere that could use less gun
control, it's Fire Island.  The last time I was there you could
barely find a leaf within nine feet of the ground: the deer
population had grown beyond the ability of the local vegetation
to sustain it.  But, alas, this is not hunting country: for Fire
Island's menfolk, the thrill of the chase lies elsewhere.  So the
trees have been defoliated as high as the whitetail can reach and
many of the poor beasts now look as emaciated as the louche chaps
lounging on the beach listening to their Bette Midler CDs.

But "The Million Mom March was conceived last August in a gay
resort community by a Hillary Clinton donor who's never organized
anything larger than a Democratic senator's office" doesn't have
quite the same ring, does it?  And why should ABC, NBC, The
Washington Post and The New York Times be expected to know any of
this?  Just because half her surname might have rung a vague bell
is no reason to leap to conclusions and assume she's connected
with Susan Thomases -- any more than it would be wise to assume
from the other half of her name that she's related to Rick Dees
and his Cast of Idiots, whose Disco Duck was a Number One hit in
1976.

But, speaking of Casts of Idiots, what about CBS?  By now, you
may be curious about that "part-time job," as NBC coyly referred
to it.  A couple of waitressing shifts?  A little secretarial
work for the school district?  No, Donna is a part-time publicist
for David Letterman's Late Show.  Before that, she was a
full-time publicist for CBS news anchor Dan Rather.  CBS This
Morning was one of the first news shows to report the Million Mom
March movement last September, when Hattie Kauffman interviewed
Donna.  "What," asked Hattie, "turns a mild-mannered suburban mom
into an anti-gun activist?"

The correct answer is: "A leave of absence from my employer, CBS,
which, by remarkable coincidence, is also your employer, Hattie."
But that's not what Donna said.  Only in the last week 

[CTRL] Hillary Donna: A Tale of Two Wives With Wandering Hubbys (fwd)

2000-05-15 Thread MICHAEL SPITZER

Capitol Hill Blue

Hillary  Donna: A Tale of Two Wives With Wandering Hubbys

5/15/00

By Margery Eagan

So the mothers are marching against guns in Washington, and their
righteousness is impressive.

But some of us admit a greater fascination today with the
political mothers in New York and their wildly divergent examples
for surviving marital dalliance.

Those mothers, of course, are Donna Hanover, the once but
apparently not the future Mrs. Rudy Giuliani; and Hillary Rodham
Clinton, ``Just Hillary'' these days. And Mayor Giuliani - with
his cancer and his ``very close friend'' and his wife done wrong,
God help him - is all that stands between ``Just Hillary'' and
her eternal quest to tell the rest of us what's right, proper and
pure.

Here's how Hanover, 50, reacted to her husband's repeated public
appearances with a 45-year-old divorcee, Judith Nathan, a nurse
whom Rudy met at a school parent/teachers event. She gave two
tearful, painful press conferences. She described her marriage as
something ``very precious'' which she'd tried to save. She
fretted for her children, 14 and 10. And she blamed her marital
mess on her husband's infidelities.

``For several years it was difficult to participate in Rudy's
public life because of his relationship with one staff member,''
Hanover said of Giuliani's reported relationship with a
35-year-old press aide.

But after said aide left his office, Hanover said she and her
husband recovered some of their personal intimacy. ``I made a
major effort to bring us back together,'' but her husband ``chose
another path.''

To the aforementioned Ms. Nathan.

Hanover said all this with what seemed real feeling and
sincerity. And in fact long before the ``Nathan'' revelations,
neither Giuliani chose to insult the voter by pretending to be
what they were not.

They did not pose for photographers surfside, embracing in
bathing suits. They did not show up at weekly church services,
holding Bibles and each other. They did not go to fund-raisers at
Alec Baldwin's in the Hamptons and wax poetic about their first
date, as if theirs was some sort of model marriage for the nation
to emulate.

No, Rudy Giuliani had frequently referred to his and his wife's
``separate'' lives. A dignified Hanover, for years, said nothing,
until she said she could stand no more.

``Just Hillary,'' meanwhile, has shown over and over that she
will stand for chronic pain and serial humiliation and just about
anything else from her husband.

She purses her lips. She plows ahead. She blames her marital mess
on right-wing conspirators, his dead mother and grandmother -
anyone but him. She talks of intimate, late-night policy
discussions with her husband, during which they share all -
unless it's something that might prove problematic to her New
York campaign, in which case it's the one thing he forgot to
share.

Two weeks ago, incredibly, she sponsored a forum on raising
teenagers in America - and presented her and Bill as model
parents of a teen. Needless to say she did not mention her area
of expertise: guiding teens through daddy's affairs with women
barely out of the teen years themselves.

No, ``Just Hillary'' advised us lesser mortals to do what she and
Bill have done: to spend more time with our teens, to eat supper
with them, to stay up with them to the wee hours, as she and Bill
did, sacrificing their own policy initiatives so Chelsea could
finish some project. It made me want to scream, really.

But such is the hallmark of ``Just Hillary's'' public life: to
ignore the gigantic white elephant sitting in the middle of the
dining room table; to hope that if she keeps on pretending it
isn't there, somehow, the rest of us will forget it, too.

And guess what: It seems to be working, which just goes to show
that whatever entranced us so about John McCain, it wasn't really
his straight talk.

No, in the case of the Clinton vs. the Giuliani marital
spectacle, the smart money says the husband fares better who lies
and feigns than one who tells the truth and follows his heart.
The smart money says Donna Hanover may yet have a brilliant soap
opera career, but ``Just Hillary's'' got the mo' now in her
bloodless quest to win the U.S. Senate seat from New York, and
who knows what beyond.


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[CTRL] Gun Myths Debunked

2000-05-15 Thread K

May 12, 2000
Gun Control: Myths and Realities
by David Lampo

David Lampo is the publications director at the Cato Institute.
The number of well-publicized public shootings during the past few
years, especially the tragedy at Columbine High School, has re-
energized the gun control movement. As a show of strength, a
coalition of gun control groups has organized a "Million Mom
March" to be held in Washington, D.C. on Mother's Day,
an event designed to stir up emotions rather than promote rational
thought. And when one looks at the facts about gun control, it's
easy to see why the anti-gun lobby relies on emotion rather than
logic to make its case.

Think you know the facts about gun control? If your only source of
information is the mainstream media, what you think you know
may not be correct. Take the quiz below and test your knowledge.

1. Thousands of children die annually in gun accidents.

False. Gun accidents involving children are actually at record lows,
although you wouldn't know it from listening to the mainstream
media. In 1997, the last year for which data are available, only 142
children under 15 years of age died in gun accidents, and the total
number of gun-related deaths for this age group was 642. More
children die each year in accidents involving bikes, space
heaters or drownings. The often repeated claim that 12 children per
day die from gun violence includes "children" up to 20 years of age,
the great majority of whom are young adult males who die in gang-
related violence.

2. Gun shows are responsible for a large number of firearms falling
into the hands of criminals.

False. Contrary to President Clinton's claims, there is no "gun
show loophole."  All commercial arms dealers at gun shows must
run background checks, and the only people exempt from them are
the small number of non-commercial sellers.  According to the
U.S. Department of Justice, at most 2 percent of guns used by
criminals are purchased at gun shows, and most of those were
purchased legally by people who passed background checks.

3. The tragedy at Columbine High School a year ago illustrates the
deficiencies of current gun control laws.

False. Eric Harris and Dylan Klebold violated close to 20 firearms
laws in amassing their cache of weapons (not to mention the law
against murder), so it seems rather dubious to argue that additional
laws might have prevented this tragedy. The two shotguns and rifle
used by Harris and Klebold were purchased by a girlfriend who
would have passed a background check, and the TEC-9 handgun
used by them was already illegal.

4. States that allow registered citizens to carry concealed weapons
have lower crime rates than those that don't.

True. The 31 states that have "shall issue" laws allowing private
citizens to carry concealed weapons have, on average, a 24
percent lower violent crime rate, a 19 percent lower murder rate and
a 39 percent lower robbery rate than states that forbid concealed
weapons. In fact, the nine states with the lowest violent crime rates
are all right-to-carry states. Remarkably, guns are used for self-
defense more than 2 million times a year, three to five times the
estimated number of violent crimes committed with guns.

5. Waiting periods lower crime rates.

False. Numerous studies have been conducted on the effects of
waiting periods, both before and after the federal Brady bill was
passed in 1993. Those studies consistently show that there is no
correlation between waiting periods and murder or robbery rates.
Florida State University professor Gary Kleck analyzed
data from every U.S. city with a population over 100,000 and found
that waiting periods had no statistically significant effect. Even
University of Maryland anti-gun researcher David McDowell found
that "waiting periods have no influence on either gun homicides or
gun suicides."

6. Lower murder rates in foreign countries prove that gun control
works.

False. This is one of the favorite arguments of gun control
proponents, and yet the facts show that there is simply no
correlation between gun control laws and murder or suicide rates
across a wide spectrum of nations and cultures. In Israel and
Switzerland, for example, a license to possess guns is available on
demand to every law-abiding adult, and guns are easily obtainable
in both nations. Both countries also allow widespread carrying of
concealed firearms, and yet, admits Dr. Arthur Kellerman, one of
the foremost medical advocates of gun control, Switzerland and
Israel "have rates of homicide that are low despite rates of home
firearm ownership that are at least as high as those in the United
States." A comparison of crime rates within Europe reveals no
correlation between access to guns and crime.

The basic premise of the gun control movement, that easy access
to guns causes higher crime, is contradicted by the facts, by
history and by reason. Let's hope more people are catching on.

--
Kathleen

No one can read our Constitution without

[CTRL] AP: Court Won't Release Foster Photos

2000-05-15 Thread MICHAEL SPITZER

May 15, 2000

Court Won't Release Foster Photos

By LAURIE ASSEO
Associated Press Writer

 WASHINGTON (AP) -- A group seeking to force the government to
release photographs taken of White House lawyer Vince Foster's
body after his 1993 suicide lost a Supreme Court appeal today.

 The court, without comment, turned away Accuracy in Media's
argument that Foster's family has no privacy interest in avoiding
public release of the photos.

 Accuracy in Media, a media watchdog group, contends the public
has a ''substantial interest'' in the photos because they might
show whether the government properly investigated Foster's death.

 Foster, the deputy White House counsel, was found in a suburban
Virginia park on July 20, 1993, with a gunshot wound to the head.

 Four investigations -- including one by Whitewater independent
counsel Kenneth Starr -- have concluded that Foster committed
suicide, but some conservatives have speculated that Foster may
have been murdered.

 Accuracy in Media invoked the federal Freedom of Information Act
in asking the National Park Service to release photos taken of
Foster's body at the scene of his death and during his autopsy.

 The Park Service refused, citing an exemption for cases in which
releasing information would create an unwarranted invasion of
personal privacy.

 Accuracy in Media sued, and a federal judge ruled for the
government. The U.S. Circuit Court of Appeals for the District of
Columbia upheld that ruling last October, saying, ''AIM cannot
deny the powerful sense of invasion bound to be aroused in close
survivors by wanton publication of gruesome details of death by
violence.''

 In the appeal acted on today, Accuracy in Media's lawyers said
Foster's relatives have no privacy interest in the photos because
they are not depicted in them.

 Even if the family did have a privacy interest, it would be
outweighed by the public interest in finding out whether the
government properly investigated Foster's death, the appeal said.

 Accuracy in Media was represented by attorney Larry Klayman,
whose Judicial Watch group has filed numerous lawsuits against
the Clinton administration.

 The case is Accuracy in Media vs. National Park Service,
99-1578.


 On the Net: For the appeals court ruling:

http://www.uscourts.gov./links.html

Click on District of Columbia Circuit.

AP-NY-05-15-00 1024EDT



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Re: [CTRL] Prescriptions was 10 reasons etc.

2000-05-15 Thread Tenorlove

--- Kathleen [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 You could (1 change physicians 

We did this. The child in question hasn't been sick since so it hasn't
been an issue.

 Just FYI however, not all statins are equivalent.  Ask if there is
something in your husbands lipid panel that makes Lipitor the best
choice. 

Thanks. My dh does have an appointment this week. I'll remind him to
ask.

 The pediatrician's preference for Zithromax most likely was based on
the proven fact that more people will complete a 5 day course of
treatment than a 10 day course.  Many people start to get better, stop
the antibiotic and contribute to the emergence of a resistant
organism.

And these are the same people who don't make an effort to prevent the
infections in the first place. But that's a whole 'nuther topic.

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[CTRL] Another example of good intentions going awry. The ADA. (fwd)

2000-05-15 Thread MICHAEL SPITZER

YOUR GOVERNMENT AT WORK

'Dirty Harry' battles trial lawyers

Eastwood takes fight over Disabilities Act to Congress

By Julie Foster © 2000 WorldNetDaily.com

Actor Clint Eastwood has begun a lobbying campaign to change the
Americans with Disabilities Act after he was slapped with a
lawsuit demanding $577,000 in attorneys' fees.

Eastwood's 32-room hotel and restaurant, Mission Ranch Hotel, in
Carmel, Calif., needs wider doors and more accessible bathrooms
to meet the requirements of the ADA.  But rather than being given
notice that the building did not comply with the law, the actor
was immediately sued.

A former mayor of Carmel, Eastwood has gathered the support of
several lawmakers in Congress for Florida Rep.  Mark Foley's
legislation to provide a 90-day compliance period.

Currently, lawyers can charge non-compliant business owners $275
per hour from the day a lawsuit is filed.  The disabled, however,
are forbidden from collecting damages under the act.

Eastwood, who is continuing to fight a lawsuit brought by a hotel
guest three years ago, says the legislation would do nothing to
rectify his situation, but it would prevent others from falling
victim to this "form of extortion," he said in a Wall Street
Journal report.

"It's a racket," Eastwood told the Journal.  "The typical thing
is to get someone who is disabled in collusion with sleazebag
lawyers, and they file suits."

While the Association of Trial Lawyers of America has not taken
an official position on Foley's legislation, many trial lawyers
reject the need to change the ADA.

Anthony Brady, a lawyer from Camden, N.J., who has sued more than
100 companies for failing ADA compliance, conceded to the Journal
that some "greedy" lawyers prey on small businesses that should
be given additional time to comply without charge.  But he
opposes Foley's legislation because it would provide large
corporations the same 90-day waiting period.  Escalating legal
fees, he says, is the only weapon the disabled have to force big
companies to accommodate them.

The National Federation of Independent Businesses, the U.S.
Chamber of Commerce, the National Restaurant Association and the
International Council of Shopping Centers have also joined the
lobbying campaign to amend the law.

The ADA was signed into law in July 1990, and is intended to
prohibit discrimination against people with disabilities.  In
recent years, however, the definition of "disability" has been
disputed.

Courts across the U.S.  were being bombarded with cases involving
claims that people were being discriminated against based on
their "disabilities," which ranged from wheelchair-bound amputees
to eyeglass wearers.

Last year, the U.S.  Supreme Court clarified the definition as
excluding minor, correctable impairments, such as imperfect
eyesight and high blood pressure.

The House Judiciary Committee is scheduled to hold a hearing on
Foley's bill Thursday. Eastwood plans to testify at the hearing.


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[CTRL] RUBY FIRE SPECIAL ALERT - EXPOSE' OF THE YEAR - MUST READ!!! (fwd)

2000-05-15 Thread MICHAEL SPITZER

-- Forwarded message --
Date: Mon, 15 May 2000 13:44:31 -0600
From: Christopher Ruby [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: RUBY FIRE SPECIAL ALERT - EXPOSE' OF THE YEAR - MUST READ!!!

DANGEROUS SIGNS OF TIMES WARRANT YOUR ATTENTION

Please pass this on to your "urgent alert" friends and family as
though our sacred freedoms depend on it.  It may...if enough good
people don't rally in righteous indignation and turn the tables
on the wolves in sheep's clothing among us. --CR

"If a Nation expects to be ignorant and free in a state of
civilization, it expects what never was and never will be If
we are to guard against ignorance and remain free, it is the
responsibility of every American to be informed." --Thomas
Jefferson

"It does not require a majority to prevail, but rather an irate,
tireless minority keen to set brush fires ("Ruby Fire") in
people's minds." --Samuel Adams, leading outspoken "firebrand"
for the Revolution


THE BATTLE FOR THE MIND  HEART OF ALL:

"We are in a cultural war, and at the center of it is a major
offensive against Christianity. Anyone who does not believe this
is in denial. It is in-your-face obvious to those who read the
paper, listen to the radio, watch television, or go to the movies
-- and think about what messages are being delivered. The
Constitution no longer protects us. It has become, in the hands
of unaccountable, power-corrupted judges, an instrument of our
oppression." --Linda Bowles

NOTE:  THE FOLLOWING POST GET'S MY VOTE AS THE MOST IMPORTANT
EXPOSE' OF THE LAST YEAR!

Here you have the cause and core issues linking international
crime syndicates and drug cartels to the power elite corporate
heads of America in the top IT (Information Technology)
industries.  Finally we see how the Clintonistas are just minor
spokesperson minions of these Power Elite and their power trips
to control the world economies through control of information.
The murderous malintent of these mind-control manipulators behind
the mass media can be seen here for what it is... the end of
relative freedom as we know it today if enough good people don't
do enough FAST, to expose this nefarious treachery with Ruby
Rayguns targeting key players.

  The controlled media including PBS (Propaganda Broadcast
Service) is in a full-tilt blitz to implicate guns, demonize
guns, register guns and take the guns BEFORE the Clintonistas
make their draconian move via the creation and management of
terror, population reduction and control into their NEW WORLD
ORDER.

  Numerous insider leaks indicate their plan and intent for a
"controlled collapse" of the economy with insider-traders
stripping the wealth of the upper middle class who have vested
their savings, faith and "worth-ship" in the "golden-calf" stock
market.  Their "crisis management dialectic" is to force our use
of "ELECTRONIC currency (E-money) via smartcards that are
implantable via "superchips". (see details below)

  Their intent is to do this by late summer/early fall BEFORE
the elections so that Clinton can justify a third term under
National Emergency prerogatives as did Roosevelt going into World
War II.  Many of Clinton' unprecedented Executive Orders have set
the stage for this suspension of the Constitution with Janet Reno
now in charge of FEMA/military round up or "the resistance"
nationwide.

  THE WRITING IS ON THE WALL FOR THOSE WHO HAVE FOLLOWED THE
THREADS AND HAVE EYES TO SEE THE TAPESTRY PATTERN.

  It's a simple matter to these power elite control-freaks
that they are losing control due to Internet FREEDOM and
OPPORTUNITY that is the judgment on power elite tyranny over the
mind and hearts of mankind.  Such tyranny begets terrorism when
push comes to shove... which begets more tyranny... compelling
the sheeple to give up a little more freedom for a little more
security until we have neither freedom nor security.

  Mature Sons  Daughters of God KNOW that the only security
is in purity of fearless faith in the name and flame/spirit of
GOD-LOVE that is the JUDGMENT on all the fear, death and hell
unreality that is only made real by those whose fear is greater
than their faith.

  Many have leave off this critical psy-ops work (between
their ears)  by failing to pray fervently for the fearlessness
flame of Almighty God and by default letting their worst fears
come upon them.

  It is the lack of Christic discernment within that begets
the spirit of anti-Christ in the world.  The "shadow" of
mankind's inhumanity to man (as Jung calls it) is this void,
absence and denial of Christic commeasurement with GOD-LOVE in
spirit and matter.  And that void is inadvertently filled by the
antiChrist "dark force" that will do anything for
self-preservation of itself via inversion, subversion and
perversion of the Christic Light/Consciousness that TAKES COMMAND
in the "foot-stool kingdom" (on earth as in heaven).

  So for all on this list who are CONSCIOUS of the "battle
lines" 

[CTRL] AIM COMMENTS ON SUPREME COURT (fwd)

2000-05-15 Thread MICHAEL SPITZER

--
From: "Reed Irvine" [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Date: Mon, 15 May 2000 17:01:17 -0400
Subject: AIM COMMENTS ON SUPREME COURT

May 15, 2000

Supreme Court Subverts Freedom of Information Act

The Supreme Court¹s refusal to grant certiorari in the case of
Accuracy in Media¹s suit to force the U. S. Park Service to
release photos taken at the scene where former White House
Counsel Vincent W. Foster¹s body was found is a serious blow to
the purposes for which the Freedom of Information Act was
enacted.

Reed Irvine, chairman of the media watchdog group, says that the
Park Service has refused to release any photos of the crime scene
that show Foster¹s body, claiming that doing so would be an
invasion of the privacy of members of Foster¹s family. This
argument was accepted by both the United States District Court
for the District of Columbia and the U. S. Court of Appeals for
the District of Columbia Circuit, ignoring the long-established
principle that one¹s privacy interests vanish at death. The
judges even refused to examine the photos in camera.

Under the law, any privacy interest is supposed to be balanced
against the public¹s interest in obtaining the information being
withheld by the government. In the Foster case, the National Park
Service contends that the graphic nature of the photographs would
render their release offensive to the Foster family.

Irvine said this is absurd, since the accounts of everyone who
saw Foster¹s body at the crime scene agree that there was no
visible evidence of a serious wound on Foster¹s body. The person
who found Foster¹s body at first thought that he was simply
sleeping. He was lying on his back with his arms at his side,
feet outstretched, and there was almost no visible blood either
on his body or the surrounding vegetation even though he had
allegedly fired a .38 caliber high velocity bullet into his mouth
that allegedly exited from the back of his skull.

The reason these photos are not being released, Irvine said, is
not because they are "graphic" but because they are not "graphic"
enough. They disprove the U.S. Park Police claim that it was so
obvious that Foster committed suicide where the body was found
that there was no need to investigate his death as a possible
homicide.

The one photo that has been leaked to the press, a photo of
Foster¹s hand with the tip of his thumb between the trigger and
the trigger guard of the .38 revolver that he allegedly used to
shoot himself, proves that the U.S. Park Police lied about the
reason the gun remained in Foster¹s hand. They said it was
because his thumb was wedged between the trigger and the trigger
guard above the knuckle. The photo clearly shows the trigger
guard encircling the thumb above the thumbnail, where it could
not possibly have been "wedged." Another photo is said to
substantiate the claim of paramedic Richard Arthur that there was
what appeared to be a small caliber bullet wound on the right
side of Foster¹s neck under the jaw that none of the Park Police
officers noticed. Irvine says this was probably the entrance
wound made by the bullet that killed Foster.

In addition, Irvine says, the disappearance of many of the photos
taken by the Park Police, including some that showed the back of
Foster¹s head and body, is probably explained by the fact that
they show what Park Police officer John Rolla reported ‹ the
absence of any sign of an exit wound in the back of Foster¹s
skull even though the report of the autopsy performed the next
day said there was an exit wound the size of a half dollar.

Irvine said that if frivolous claims that relatives of deceased
individuals might be pained by revelations about their loved
ones, the FBI may use this as an excuse for changing its present
policy of making its files on individuals public after their
death. He said, "Using the excuse of possibly injuring feelings
of relatives to withhold information of wrongdoing or errors by
government officials or by the deceased should be a matter of
great concern to journalists and historians."


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[CTRL] Drudge: New Ownership for UPI (fwd)

2000-05-15 Thread MICHAEL SPITZER

   UPDATE 1-Unification Church arm acquires UPI

Updated 4:35 PM ET May 15, 2000


   WASHINGTON (Reuters) - A Unification Church affiliate that
owns the Washington Times newspaper has acquired United Press
International wire service which broke the news of President John
Kennedy's assassination but has since fallen on hard times, the
agency said Monday.

   UPI said in an article Monday that News World Communications,
established by Unification Church head Rev. Sun Myung Moon,
"plans to maintain UPI as an independent news-gathering
operation, while upgrading its capacity with new technologies and
distribution practices."

   Since it was established by Moon in 1982, the Washington Times
has provided a consistently conservative editorial voice in the
nation's capital. Moon also lists on his Internet site newspapers
in Seoul, Tokyo, Montevideo, Athens, Los Angeles and New York.

   UPI reached its peak in the late 1950s when it had some 5,000
newspaper and broadcast clients. Over the next several decades
the client base shrank. UPI recently sold its once-powerful
broadcast division to its long-time rival, the Associated Press.

   In recent years UPI has been most famous for its chief White
House reporter, Helen Thomas, the dean of presidential
journalists who has covered every president since Kennedy.

   "Unipressers" in their heyday were some of the best known
bylines in American journalism. The wire service's alumni
included Walter Cronkite, Howard K. Smith, David Brinkley, Eric
Sevareid and Harrison Salisbury.

   UPI scored numerous coups in journalism, perhaps most notably
its beat over AP of the Nov. 22, 1963 assassination of Kennedy.

   Veteran UPI White House correspondent Merriman Smith seized
the only phone on the press car in the presidential motorcade and
refused to relinquish it to his AP counterpart, Jack Bell.

   The first word of the assassination to the rest of the world
was Smith's and he went on to win a Pulitzer Prize for his
reporting.

   But there were gaffes as well, such as an April 28, 1986
report that 2,000 people had been killed in the Chernobyl nuclear
accident and a "beat" on the signing of the Armistice ending
World War I that moved four days before the ink went on the paper
Nov. 11, 1918.

   United Press was launched June 21, 1907, by newspaper magnate
Edward Wyllis Scripps in part because he wanted a news agency to
serve his afternoon dailies that the morning-paper oriented AP
would not serve.

   Thus began a long competitive rivalry with the larger, richer
AP that often was one of the most intense of American journalism.

   In May 1958 United Press merged with the third major U.S. wire
service, William Randolph Hearst's International News Service.
Known as United Press International and now armed with many of of
INS' well-known correspondents around the world, UPI set out to
challenge the AP.

   But it started losing money within four years and never
stopped. Battered by the rise of television news and the
shrinking number of afternoon newspapers -- the backbone of the
wire service's news report -- UPI shrank in size and kept losing
money.

   Still there were days of glory left. UPI won six more Pulitzer
Prizes in reporting and photography in addition to Smith's and
called the 1976 presidential election of Jimmy Carter before any
other news organization.

   After trying for years to unload UPI to a reputable news
organization, UPI's owner, the Scripps Howard newspaper chain
paid two inexperienced Nashville, Tennessee, entrepreneurs, Doug
Ruhe and Bill Geisler, $5 million to take it in 1982.

   The two presided over a news agency that hemorrhaged money,
lost clients and sold off assets -- including its overseas news
pictures operation to Reuters -- and eventually had to file for
bankruptcy protection under Chapter 11.

   Over the next decade UPI changed hands three times -- first
being sold to Mexican publisher Mario Vazquez-Rana, then to
California venture capitalist Earl Brian.

   UPI has been owned by a group of Saudi Arabian businessmen
since 1992.


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[CTRL] AP: Inquiry of Mrs. Clinton Rejected (fwd)

2000-05-15 Thread MICHAEL SPITZER

[Gee, I wonder how Bill's complaint will come out?  --MS]


Inquiry of Mrs. Clinton Rejected

By Pete Yost
Associated Press Writer
Monday, May 15, 2000; 5:49 p.m. EDT

WASHINGTON –– The Arkansas Supreme Court's disciplinary arm has
decided not to institute proceedings against first lady Hillary
Rodham Clinton that could have led to the revocation of her law
license because of the Whitewater scandal.

A complaint by a conservative group, Landmark Legal Foundation,
did not present "a sufficient basis" to initiate an investigation
of the first lady, James Neal, executive director of the
committee on professional conduct, wrote in a letter released
Monday by Landmark.

The group asked for an inquiry after federal regulators found in
1996 that Mrs. Clinton, as a lawyer in Little Rock, created a
real estate document later used by her Whitewater partners'
savings and loan to deceive federal regulators. The document
helped enable a payment of $300,000 in real estate commissions to
the father-in-law of Mrs. Clinton's law partner, Webster Hubbell,
on a failed land development called Castle Grande.

The conservative group never got a response to its initial
complaint in 1996 due to what Neal said may have been a "mix-up
or miscommunication."

Neal said he now recalls that he evaluated the complaint in 1996
and rejected it, and that a disciplinary committee conducted a
second review in the past month and reached the same conclusion.

Marl Levin, president of the conservative group based in Herndon,
Va., said the Arkansas disciplinary committee provides "no
information justifying or explaining their latest decision for
failing to investigate.

"The inspector general at the Federal Deposit Insurance Corp.
singled out Mrs. Clinton's legal work as a major factor in the
perpetration of this fraud" at the SL owned by the Clintons'
Whitewater partners, said Levin.

Separately, the court's attorney disciplinary arm is considering
whether to revoke President Clinton's law license for his denials
of a sexual relationship with former White House intern Monica
Lewinsky.

© Copyright 2000 The Associated Press


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[CTRL] The Biggest Political Transformation in World History

2000-05-15 Thread Franklin Wayne Poley

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Subject: [BCPolitics] Bill C-2: ALTERNATIVE VOTING MEANS

Thank you for the reply, Mr. Kingsley. I have cc'd some of the parties I
have been corresponding with in attempting to bring the necessary
information to public attention. Some time ago I asked Ted White, MP (re
his private member's Bill C-229) and Dr. Tomorrow/Frank Ogden (re his
notion of the "electronic guillotine") if they would be willing to appear
together on a talk tv show to tell us what they think the future of EDD is
in BC and Canada. Ted would approach the subject from the political side
and Frank from the high technology side. Both agreed to participate but I
couldn't find a willing studio (some of which are cc'd above). Perhaps if
we bring in the relevant provincial and federal bureaucracies we can
"round out" the picture and expertise necessary to see what is likely to
transpire.
   Frankly I was surprised to hear Peter Mansbridge (OneonOne) and his
guest, Internet expert Jim Carroll, say a few months ago that just over
50% of Canadians have used the Internet. My "guestimate" would have been
half that. But it is the growth rate which is of most interest now. If
Mr. Campbell and his Official Opposition form the new government in BC (as
the odds-makers expect), there is no doubt that before the next BC
election (ca. 2005), Internet will be as ubiquitous as radio, telephone
and television or very close to it. Thus I emailed Barry Penner, MLA when
I read his newsletter in Chilliwack re his party's support for a
"Citizens' Assembly". He replid by email that this was the platform for
the Liberal Party. And Liberal Leader, Mr. Campbell confirmed that while
adding that the Liberal Party wants to lead high technology in BC more
generally.

On 15 May 2000 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 Following your comments received by Elections Canada by e-mail  on April 13,
 please find below the reply  from the Chief Electoral Officer Jean Pierre
 Kingsley.

 Thank you

 REPLY:

 May 12, 2000

 Mr. Franklin Wayne Poley
 e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]

 Dear Mr. Poley:

   This refers to your e-mail of April 13, 2000, inviting Mr. Robert
 Patterson, Chief Electoral Officer, Elections British Columbia, and my Office
 to look into the issue of electronic voting.  In this e-mail, you also wish
 to see both Mr. Patterson and myself appear on a television talk show to
 discuss this issue.

Yes, those are the two key points.

   The feasibility of alternate voting methods is of keen interest to Elections
 Canada, given the rate of development of telecommunication and
 Internet-related technology.

I am pleased that you are following these developments in Canada.
EDD is imminent and inevitable. One doesn't have to be
a technowizard with a (silicon of course) crystal ball to see that. It
doesn't require any "manifestos" or even political leadership for this to
happen. However, to the extent that all levels of society are aware of
these developments and participate in shaping them the results will turn
out better.

   I wish to bring to your attention the fact that Elections Canada
 commissioned KPMG Canada and Sussex Circle to conduct a study on the broad
 issues surrounding new information technology and their possible impact on
 the voting process in Canada.  Completed in June 1998, the study provided an
 examination of the implications of information technology for the voting
 process in Canada. It is an analysis of the changing values and expectations
 of Canadians respecting the democratic process and the changing technological
 environment in which electoral administration takes place. The study reaches
 several conclusions including the need to maintain administrative efficacy
 and integrity of the electoral process.  Elections Canada's study, Technology
 and the Voting Process, is available on the Elections Canada Web Site, at:

 

Re: [CTRL] Gun Myths Debunked

2000-05-15 Thread Bob Stokes

In a message dated 00-05-15 20:26:52 EDT, Kathleen writes:

 No one can read our Constitution without
 concluding that the people who wrote it
 wanted their government severely limited;
 the words "no" and "not" employed in restraint
 of government power occur 24 times in the first
 seven articles of the Constitution and 22 more
 times in the Bill of Rights. - Edmund A. Opitz  

Great Quote!

Bob Stokes

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Re: [CTRL] Jewish Gene Study

2000-05-15 Thread Nurev Ind Research

"Prudence L. Kuhn" wrote:

 According to the Koran, the "people of the book" refers to Moslems,
 Christians and Jews.


I don't subscribe to Koranic definitions since I am not a Moslem. The Book is
the Torah, the original Bible, the source of the Koran and NT. The Jewish
national myth. That book.

 Does this mean the Israeli will give up looking for a virus that targets
 Palestinians?

 Prudy

They already got that virus. It was sent to them by ex-CIA director John
Deutch who secretly works for the Israelis, along with Cohen and Albright.

How do you know Israelis are looking for a virus that targets Palestinians?
It sounds like Arab propaganda to me. One would assume that if it were true,
the scientists involved would know enough about genetics to understand that
to target Mideast Arabs, and Palestinians in particular with a special virus
would be suicidal since they are virtually the same genetic stock and live
among the Israelis.

No concept too foolish in feeding you pet peeves eh?

It's interesting what absurdities people choose to believe. And illuminating.

Joshua2

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Re: [CTRL] Global US

2000-05-15 Thread Nurev Ind Research

Alamaine wrote:

 """For millions of oppressed people all over the world, its famous symbol -
 Liberty lighting the world - still represents a powerful message of hope and
 the promise of a better life."""

  This is the key to the whole thing.  It's fairly obvious that the U.S.
 'invented' globalism BECAUSE of the above statement.  Whereas other nations
 have made their attempts at retaining their peculiar identities, the U.S. acts
 as a big sponge, absorbing other cultures and putting its own twist -- an
 American identity -- on what survives.  The U.S. invented golobalism because
 almost all of its citizens came from somewhere else ...

I beg to differ. There were globalists a long time ago.

The Phoenicians - invented global trade.
The Jews invented a universal god.
The Catholic ( universal ) Church institutionalized global religion and
politics.
The first Corporate Charters began doing international business, including
starting and owning the American colonies and their labor.

 and fairly recently in
 the context of the historical calendar.  Four or five hundred years is not a
 long time given the length of time the French, the Germans, the Italians, and,
 well, okay, even the Britlanders (just to name a few, not neglecting the
 Asians, Africans, Islanders, or anyone else) have been trotting around their
 portions of the Earth.  WE ARE GLOBAL by definition.  Almost everyone here is
 related to someone "over there".  What we export is a synthesis of everything
 we've ever imported.  Just let your fingers do the walking through the 'phone
 book and in one alphabetical listing, you'll find how many 'Old World' names?
 Or, walk down the street and how many similarly derived names will you find?

 The 'problem' is the 'Old World' may be balkin' at importing our export of
 multicultural cooperation (does 'balkin' ' come from 'Balkans', thinking of a
 great example?).  The U.S. seems to do well with the great melting pot,

The melting pot is a myth. Just as American democracy is a myth. The melting
pot has always been a pressure cooker. I cite the Elian/Cuban Americans, the
American Blacks from Africa, the Jews up until the 1970's, the Irish in the
1800s, the Chinese who were forbidden to marry in this great land of freedom,
the Arabs who are portrayed as perennial terrorists, the Proto-American Indians
who simply had to go, the new Asian Immigrants who better learn how to drive
or we'll ship them back to where ever the hell they came from, and to really
make the point,  I cite La Raza and the Mexican/Mexican American situation
today in the the Southwestern USA.

Joshua2

 something the Euros (to cite one) resist through their ethnic and lingual
 purity standards; just remember the efforts the 'right' wingers of Europe are
 up to with their immigration policies ("Sure you Balkaniacs (e.g.) can come to
 visit but when your visa's up, back to your hovels [please excuse the mass
 bombing of the past year] !!!").

 The solution to counter U.S. hegemony is to keep their people at home; that way
 the emigres will be less likely to want to give something back to the Father-,
 Mother-, Sister-, Brother-, Uncle-, Aunt-lands.

 Yet, I wax nostalgic for the times when there were cut and dried French or
 German or whatever societies.  Of course, then they made wars and we came and
 then they came and then everything got not mixed up nor confused, just blurred.

 AER 

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Re: [CTRL] Jewish Hate Propaganda...or words of wisdom?

2000-05-15 Thread Nurev Ind Research

POLEY, YOUR ALIVE
Too bad.

Your buddy,
J2
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Franklin Wayne Poley wrote:

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 Date: Sun, 14 May 2000 18:46:55 -0700 (PDT)
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 Subject: Re: [LIFE-GAZETTE] Pipes (Jerusalem Post) vs. Islam

 Let's put this beside

 http://shamash.org:70/00/judaica/answers/missionaries/mythj.txt

 (a similar Jewish diatribe against Christianity)

 In olden days nations went to war over such words. Today we have the
 Internet. In my opinion, the incessant "Jewish hate propaganda" as it is
 called by many, should be handled by REASONED DEBATE...over the Internet.
In the motto of The Times of India, "Let Truth Prevail".
 FWP.

 On Sun, 14 May 2000, Party of Citizens wrote:

  http://www.jpost.com/Editions/2000/05/12/Opinion/Opinion.6557.html
 
  Quotes From Pipes:
 
  "The Koran is a not 'a product of Muhammad or even of Arabia,' but a collection
  of earlier Judeo-Christian liturgical materials stitched together to meet the
  needs of a later age."
 
  "The huge body of detail, revisionist scholars find, is almost completely
  spurious."
 
  What would a complete society be like if it were to "do all for the glory of God"? 
(I Corinthians 10:31). What would Canada be like if it were a "Godly Society" 
functioning in this manner?

 ---
 http://www.vcn.bc.ca/culturex/The-Question-Nobody-Will-Answer.htm
 ---

 
 Remember four years of good friends, bad clothes, explosive chemistry
 experiments.
 http://click.egroups.com/1/4051/2/_/564407/_/958355355/
 

 What would a complete society be like if it were to "do all for the glory of God"? 
(I Corinthians 10:31). What would Canada be like if it were a "Godly Society" 
functioning in this manner?

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Re: [CTRL] Big Bizness Wants YOU to Vote. Be sure to findareasontocomply.

2000-05-15 Thread Nurev Ind Research

nessie wrote:

 [EMAIL PROTECTED],Internet writes:
 
 And a darling of the mainstream Media

 How minutes of coverage did he get last week compared to  Bush and Gore?


He is not Big Biz's first choice. Republicans usually fill that slot.
Democrats are the backup team, and every few generations, when people get
sick and tired of business domination and corruption, a third party candidate
will get in on the action.

Have you ever met Nader? If not, then how do you know anything about him?
Isn't it through the media?

Nader is as Left as anybody is allowed to get in the Capitalist press. That's
because he is a capitalist and never offers as a solution, the necessity of
doing away with the system itself. That is why he has never been assassinated.
He's just a Liberal. Liberals are to change, what tits are on a boar.

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Re: [CTRL] Be one of the millions to report Million Mom Marchers to the IRS

2000-05-15 Thread Nurev Ind Research

Date: Sun, 14 May 2000 22:17:49 -0400
From: Nurev Ind Research [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Bill Richer wrote:

 WJPBR Email News List [EMAIL PROTECTED]
 Peace at any cost is a prelude to war!

 DO YOUR DUTY AS A GOOD CITIZEN!

 News/Current Events Announcement Keywords: MILLION MOM MARCH
 Source: Information
 Posted on 05/13/2000 07:30:54 PDT

 Be one of the millions to report
 Million Mom Marchers to the IRS !

 The Million Mom March is a 501 (c)-3 corporation (Tax Exempt)
 and as such are FORBIDDEN to devote a substantial part of its
 activities for lobbying purposes.

 Lobbying is defined as "Carrying on propaganda or otherwise
 attempting to influence legislation."

 Lobbying is also defined as "Urging individuals to contact their
 legislators to propose, support, or oppose legislation"

 The MMM website says "We the Mothers are calling on Congress to
 enact common sense legislation by Mother's Day 2000"

 CALL THE IRS FRAUD HOTLINE RIGHT NOW.  The toll free number is
 800-829-0433.  Yes, you will have to hold. But be patient.  It's
 for a good cause.

You poor desperate losers. I told you right after Columbine, that
it was the beginning of the end for your 2nd amendment illusions.
I told you that you needed to dump the NRA and start some serious
reconsideration of what is acceptable about guns in a large, ethnically
varied country with overpopulated cities. But did you listen...?
NOOO. So now you are are going to pay the full price.

The only guns you'll wind up with now are the ones you lubricate with
Vaseline. Good for you. You deserve it. If you people are too dumb to
understand what it means to live in society, instead of legal fantasy
like the 2nd, this will be quite a lesson for you.

I am selling bumper stickers which proudly proclaim " You'll have to pry
MY gun from my cold dead hand " with blank spaces where you can write in
your name, address, and social security number so the feds can know that
they are dealing with a REAL gun guy, and 2nd amendment Patriot.

Other bumper stickers I have for sale are...

"Give me Liberty or give me death."

"Live free or die."

and the always popular...

"Which way did they go George, which way did they go?"


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Re: [CTRL] Jewish Hate Propaganda...or words of wisdom?

2000-05-15 Thread Franklin Wayne Poley

And how is Uncle Shlomo doing? Has he reinvented the bagel yet?
FWP.

On Mon, 15 May 2000, Nurev Ind Research wrote:

 POLEY, YOUR ALIVE
 Too bad.

 Your buddy,
 J2
 ===
 Franklin Wayne Poley wrote:
 
  -- Forwarded message --
  Date: Sun, 14 May 2000 18:46:55 -0700 (PDT)
  From: Franklin Wayne Poley [EMAIL PROTECTED]
  Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
  To: [EMAIL PROTECTED], [EMAIL PROTECTED], [EMAIL PROTECTED],
   [EMAIL PROTECTED], [EMAIL PROTECTED]
  Cc: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
  Subject: Re: [LIFE-GAZETTE] Pipes (Jerusalem Post) vs. Islam
 
  Let's put this beside
 
  http://shamash.org:70/00/judaica/answers/missionaries/mythj.txt
 
  (a similar Jewish diatribe against Christianity)
 
  In olden days nations went to war over such words. Today we have the
  Internet. In my opinion, the incessant "Jewish hate propaganda" as it is
  called by many, should be handled by REASONED DEBATE...over the Internet.
 In the motto of The Times of India, "Let Truth Prevail".
  FWP.
 
  On Sun, 14 May 2000, Party of Citizens wrote:
 
   http://www.jpost.com/Editions/2000/05/12/Opinion/Opinion.6557.html
  
   Quotes From Pipes:
  
   "The Koran is a not 'a product of Muhammad or even of Arabia,' but a collection
   of earlier Judeo-Christian liturgical materials stitched together to meet the
   needs of a later age."
  
   "The huge body of detail, revisionist scholars find, is almost completely
   spurious."
  
   What would a complete society be like if it were to "do all for the glory of 
God"? (I Corinthians 10:31). What would Canada be like if it were a "Godly Society" 
functioning in this manner?
 
  ---
  http://www.vcn.bc.ca/culturex/The-Question-Nobody-Will-Answer.htm
  ---

---
  Machine Psychology: http://www.atoma.f2s.com/atomareport.html (file #10)
---

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[CTRL] Capitalism at work: Train wrecks.

2000-05-15 Thread Nurev Ind Research

BBC  Thursday, 11 May, 2000, 11:52 GMT 12:52

UK Train chiefs 'put shareholders before lives'

The Paddington crash killed 31 people

Thames Trains paid shareholders nearly (pounds)7.5m in dividends - but
refused to spend (pounds)5.26m on a life-saving train protection system,
the Paddington rail crash inquiry has heard.

The system, called Automatic Train Protection, would have prevented the
tragedy which killed 31 people, the hearing was told.

Repeated indecision on the part of middle-management made an accident of
this scale virtually inevitable

And the company could still have given away more than (pounds)2m in
dividends.

Survivors of the crash and bereaved relatives heard their representative
John Hendy QC give the figures on the second day of the inquiry.

He said it seemed "incomprehensible" that Thames directors refused to
spend the money on ATP.

The crash happened last October when a Thames Train went through a red
light and collided with a London-bound Great Western train at Ladbroke
Grove, west London.

Mr Hendy said that after refusing to spend out on ATP in 1998 - following
the Southall crash which killed seven people - Thames paid its
shareholders (pounds)4.23m, followed by (pounds)3.25m a year later.

But the cost of the protection system from Paddington Station to Didcot in
Oxfordshire - which would have prevented the Thames Train passing a red
signal - would have been spread over 20 years.

Mr Hendy said that in November 1999 further dividends of (pounds)500,000
had been paid to Thames directors, together with a further (pounds)230,000
in April 2000.

These payments were on top of their combined salaries of (pounds)339,000.

Mr Hendy described the accident not as "an act of God" but "a man-made
event".

He said his clients were outraged at the decision not to prosecute anyone.

Our clients will not easily forgive those who ... put profit before safety

"Our clients do not mince their words - they consider that the
announcement of this decision at the outset of the inquiry is an insult to
the inquiry and an insult to them," he said.

Mr Hendy went on: "It must be said that our clients will not easily
forgive those who, to coin a phrase, put profit before safety."

Crash survivors said they were horrified at the catalogue of management
errors outlined on the opening day of the inquiry.

The hearing was told Railtrack did not adopt signal changes which could
have prevented the crash because of "financial implications".

Solicitor Desmond Collins, acting for more than 70 survivors, said the
scale of management failures defied belief.

"Repeated indecision on the part of middle-management made an accident of
this scale virtually inevitable," he said.

Stephen Powles, counsel for Railtrack, admitted in an opening address that
there "appeared to have been lost opportunities in not following up
recommendations arising from other accidents and incidents".

He said Railtrack accepted there should have been formal rather than
informal risk assessment of signal 109 following two previous incidents of
signals passed at danger (SPADs).

Railtrack had put a number of initiatives in hand, including:

* more work on SPADs
* looking at complex signalling layouts
* and accelerating installation of the Train Protection and Warning System
  which minimises the effects of trains passing through danger signals.

Railtrack chief executive Gerald Corbett said: "If we are all to move
forward from this accident, this process must necessarily tell us things
which may be uncomfortable to hear."

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[CTRL] Bio-Chips

2000-05-15 Thread William Shannon

Rumor Mill News Forum

MOTOROLA -PACKARD - MASS PRODUCING BIO-CHIPS
Posted By: Agent 777 [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Date: Monday, 15 May 2000, at 11:44 a.m.

MOTOROLA -PACKARD - MASS PRODUCING BIO-CHIPS

Psychops Research Links www.osti.gov/biochip.htm
http://209.145.38.129/psychops/Research_Links/research_links.html

This site reveals that the U.S. Department of Energy's Argonne National
Laboratory announced June 29, 1998 a joint-research project with Motorola
Inc. and Packard Instrument Company "which aims at commercializing and
marketing advanced biochips and related analytical technologies" Take
note--this partnership of powers was "announced" June 29, 1998. At this
posting (Oct. 1999), that was over a year and three months ago. Just think of
the research that had to have preceeded this agreement in order for these
three entities to have formed this partnership.

You'll see the site states "Motorola will develop manufacturing processes to
mass produce biochips, and Packard will develop and manufacture the
analytical instruments to process and analyze the biochips." Take note--MASS
PRODUCE BIOCHIPS. The United States government has entered into an agreement
with two publicly held corporations to MASS PRODUCE BIOCHIPS and no one has
informed the American public!

The site further states, "Argonne's contribution, in conjunction with its
Moscow research partner the Russian Academy of Science's Engelhardt Institute
of Molecular Biology, is intellectual property in the form of 19 inventions
related to biological microchips." The irony here is that our government has
been co-inventing technology with RUSSIA that we, the American people, can
not get information on because it is classified under of National Security!

Take note when you read "The Argonne/Engelhardt biochips employ a novel
"micro-gel" technology in which as many as 10,000 micro-structures are
mounted on a single glass surface about the size of a microscopic slide."
What they are not telling you is that this "micro-gel", aka the biochip, can
be put into a liquid and injected into a human body via an injection--a flu
shot, any childhood immunization, etc. This site promotes "the great
diagnostic powers this technology will bring to fields as diverse as medicine
and environmental restoration," but fails to inform the reader of hidden
dangers.

The site makes reference to the Russian Human Genome Program and the
Department of Energy's Human Genome Program. According to a biologist who
works on the Department of Energy's Genome Program, part of the project's
"research" includes experimenting on the general public with aireal spraying.
For more information on how this aireal spraying ties in with the biochips,
refer to the information contained in the video and audios listed in the
products section.

PARTNERSHIP TO DEVELOP BIOCHIP TECHNOLOGY http://www.osti.gov/biochip.htm

Motorola, Packard Instrument Co. and Argonne to develop advanced biochip
technology http://www.anl.gov/OPA/news98/news980629.htm

ARGONNE, Ill. (June 29, 1998) -- Rapid advances in medicine, health care and
agriculture are expected from a joint-research project announced today
byMotorola Inc.,Packard Instrument Company and the U.S. Department of
Energy's Argonne National Laboratory.

The project, which aims at commercializing and marketing advanced biochips
and related analytical technologies, is expected to make the process of
decoding genes, human or otherwise, a thousand times faster than with current
technologies.

Motorola will develop manufacturing processes to mass produce biochips, and
Packard will develop and manufacture the analytical instruments to process
and analyze the biochips. Argonne's contribution, in conjunction with its
Moscow research partner the Russian Academy of Science's Engelhardt Institute
of Molecular Biology, is intellectual property in the form of 19 inventions
related to biological microchips.

Motorola and Packard will contribute a total of $19 million over five years
to support the joint-research agreement, making it one of the largest
biotechnology joint-research agreements ever signed by a U.S. Department of
Energy laboratory. Argonne's 19 inventions, which have been licensed
exclusively to Motorola and Packard, are the result of more than $10 million
in research support since 1994 by the U.S. Department of Energy, theDefense
Advanced Research Projects Agency, the Russian Academy of Sciences, and the
Russian Human Genome Program.

"With a commercial biochip to rapidly and economically perform genetic
analysis, within a few years we should see better pharmaceuticals developed
more rapidly, faster and more accurate medical diagnostics, a heightened
ability to assess and possibly repair environmental damage, and better, more
hardy, and healthier crops," said Richard McKernan, president of Packard
Instrument Company.

"This process, developed for the Department of Energy's human genome program,
provides miniaturized, faster and more economical methods to 

[CTRL] The Fourteenth Colony

2000-05-15 Thread William Shannon

Hidden History
#1
The Fourteenth Colony

Gary Hunt
Outpost of Freedom
October 1997



There is no doubt among Americans that there were thirteen colonies engaged
in struggle with Great Britain just over two hundred years ago. Most will
recognize names such as the Green Mountain Boys, Ethan Allen and the Battle
of Bennington. Few, however, recognize the role played by this isolated area
in our quest for independence.

In an area known as the New Hampshire Grants, in lands which were disputed
between New York and New Hampshire, lay some rugged and mountainous terrain.
The people had carved out their niches and felt no allegiance to either of
the two colonies. After their declaration of independence from Great Britain,
they also declared themselves free from New York and New Hampshire.

In 1777, Vermont established its Constitution, basing the right of Vermonters
to establish self government on the Declaration of Independence, with its
declared right to self government. Ironically, the authors and defenders of
the right to self-government and separation from ALL British control denied
Vermont the right to self-government and chose to abide by geopolitical
boundaries established by the British Parliament. They failed to recognize
the right of the people in the disputed lands to establish their own
government, in direct opposition to the words by which they declared
themselves "free and independent."

This is not to say that Vermont was denied recognition. From 1777 through
March 4, 1791, when Vermont became the first state entering the Union under
the Constitution, there are many passages of history that recognize the
importance of this state and its true relationship with the War for
Independence.

The primary source of political opposition to Vermont's admission to the
Union came from New York. Some of the lands within Vermont were claimed as
lands granted by New York. These outstanding claims by the very large and
powerful New York caused the Continental Congress and subsequent
Constitutional Congress to refuse to even discuss the entry of Vermont as a
member of the Union. It wasn't until 1790, when Vermont agreed to pay $30,000
for the disputed lands, that New York finally removed its opposition, opening
the door, finally, to Vermont's admission.

Vermont, during the course of these events, was the only true "free and
independent" colony among the fourteen who had take on the British. Of all of
the states to enter the Union after the first thirteen, only Vermont was
required to ratify the Constitution as a condition of entry. Although the
entry of Kentucky was approved by the Congress on February 4, 1791 and
Vermont on February 18th, the entry of Kentucky was delayed until June 1st so
as to allow Vermont's entry prior to Kentucky, on March 4, 1791.

Vermont's admission was recognized, at the times, as a closing of a circle.
The Vermont Gazette of January 24, 1791:

ALBANY [New York], January 13.

XIVth PILLAR OF OUR FREE AND HAPPY FEDERAL GOVERNMENT

Yesterday morning, the pleasing intelligence of our sister state, VERMONT,
having adopted the american constitution, by a state convention, was received
by a gentleman of character from that quarter — and at one o'clock, the
independent company of artillery paraded, in uniform, and fired a federal
salute of 14 guns from Forthill, which was followed by three cheerful huzzas,
from a number of our most respectable citizens. This agreeable event, which
closes the circle of our federal union, cannot fail of being received with
the utmost satisfaction by all americans, of every description, who are
friends to order, unanimity, and good government, and to the true welfare of
our happy country.

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[CTRL] The Omega Agency

2000-05-15 Thread William Shannon

They are who people are talking about when one says orders come from "above
the President".
The Omega Agency consists of a network set up much like the CIA. There are
thousands world-wide who take their orders directly from the ruling council
of the Omega Agency. This council consists of 10 to 12 people. George Bush
and Alexander C. Haig are the only two names that I know at this point who
sit on the council of the Omega Agency. The OA is the driving force behind
what is commonly called the "New World Order." The OA's office is located at
Langley AFB.

The OA originally planned to establish their world-wide control in 1995. But
it was deemed that the time was not right, so they set a new target date for
sometime in the year 2000. They are, above all else, a patient lot. Their
plans to bring the world under one governing body, namely themselves, have
been long in the making and thoroughly thought out. They plan to establish
their NWO, for lack of a better term, in a time span of no less than 5 days.
And they intend to do it without open war.

Recall when President Reagan was shot. Haig made the statements to the press
that "I'm in charge now." If you'll remember, he caught a lot of flack for
that, and shortly thereafter, he was accused of various things that ruined
his name politically. This was done by members of Congress who were aware of
his seat on the Omega Agency council, and they feared losing their claim to
power. Haig jumped the gun in his statements, and ended up giving up his
political position because of it. Had Reagan died, we would have had Bush as
President, and Haig as Secretary of State. Two men in power who sit on the OA
council. But because of the commotion raised by a few members of Congress,
Haig faded into the background rather than risk exposure of his connection to
the OA, or of the OA itself.

Recall when the Gulf War started. Bush used the exact words "New World Order"
in his speech to the country. He said it several times, that the Gulf War
marked the beginning of a NWO. The Gulf War was not a war about oil or the
freedom of the people of Kuwait. It was a test of how well multi-national
troops under the guidance of the UN would react in a war situation. The same
holds true for Somalia and Bosnia. Multi-national troops under the direction
of the UN. The Omega Agency controls the UN.

Bush didn't lose the election to Clinton. Bush needed to be out of the
limelight of the presidency in order to concentrate on and escalate the plans
of the Omega Agency. And in Clinton, they had a stooge who would not rock the
boat and who would do what he was told. Notice how quick Clinton has been to
commit US troops to UN peace-keeping forces here and there. Notice who
Clinton appointed as Secretary of State - Madeline Albright, the UN lady.
Notice who Clinton gave federal land to - the UN.

Why the need for a one-world government? The reasoning of the Omega Agency is
this: Crime is out of control on a world-wide basis, especially in the US.
People are out of control, not taking responsibility for themselves or their
actions. Population growth is out of control on a world-wide level. The
judicial system of the US is a joke. The political system of the US and most
countries world-wide is a joke, corrupted and polluted by greed and
power-hungry people who don't care about the population they were elected or
appointed to serve. Under the governing body the Omega Agency plans to put in
power, this would end. End of trial by jury. End of living off of society and
not contributing your fair share. End of taking advantage of others for one's
own personal gain. All who are able would contribute to the growth and
well-being of the world's society, or they would pay the price for not
pulling their fair share.

What is this price? Basically, it will be like this: Those who are able
physically and mentally to work will do so. If you have a job/profession at
the time that the OA takes over, you will continue in that job/profession. If
you are drawing welfare, but are physically able to work, you will work.
Personal freedoms to come and go as one pleases world-wide will not change.
Basically, the OA doesn't care what people do to amuse themselves, entertain
themselves, etc., as long as they are working and contributing to the society
as a whole. But there will be zero tolerance of any act that hurts/harms
another. Crimes against another or against society will be met with the death
penalty, if such crime is of a severe nature such as murder, rape or robbery.
What is now considered a felony crime will be punishable by death. What is
now considered a misdemeanor crime will be punishable by imprisonment on a
work farm for a number of years equal to what the OA considers suitable
payback for the said crime against society. These work farms will be in the
business of growing food, manufacture of clothing, textiles, etc. People sent
to these farms will work for the specified time, or will be eliminated.

There will 

[CTRL] US Planned To Nuke The Moon During Cold War

2000-05-15 Thread William Shannon

Published on Sunday, May 14, 2000 in the Observer/Guardian UK
US Planned One Big Nuclear Blast For Mankind
by Antony Barnett

The US Air Force developed a top-secret plan to detonate a nuclear bomb on
the moon as a display of military might at the height of the Cold War.
In an exclusive interview with The Observer, Dr Leonard Reiffel, 73, the
physicist who fronted the project in the late Fifties at the US
military-backed Armour Research Foundation, revealed America's extraordinary
lunar plan.

'It was clear the main aim of the proposed detonation was a PR exercise and a
show of one-upmanship. The Air Force wanted a mushroom cloud so large it
would be visible on earth,' he said yesterday. 'The US was lagging behind in
the space race.'

'The explosion would obviously be best on the dark side of the moon and the
theory was that if the bomb exploded on the edge of the moon, the mushroom
cloud would be illuminated by the sun.' The bomb would have been at least as
large as the one used on Hiroshima at the end of World War II.

'I made it clear at the time there would be a huge cost to science of
destroying a pristine lunar environment, but the US Air Force were mainly
concerned about how the nuclear explosion would play on earth,' said Reiffel.

Although he believes the blast would have had little environmental impact on
Earth, its crater may have ruined the face of the 'man in the moon'.

Reiffel would not reveal how the explosion would have taken place. But he
confirmed it was 'certainly technically feasible' and that at the time an
intercontinental ballistic nuclear missile would have been capable of hitting
a target on the moon with an accuracy of within two miles.

Reiffel was approached by senior US Air Force officers in 1958, who asked him
to 'fast-track' a project to investigate the visibility and effects of a
nuclear explosion on the moon. The top-secret Project A119, was entitled 'A
Study of Lunar Research Flights'.

'Had the project been made public there would have been an outcry,' said
Reiffel.

Many Cold War documents are still classified in the US, but details of
Project A119 emerged after a biography of celebrated US scientist and
astronomer Carl Sagan was published there last year.

Sagan, who died in 1996, was famous for popularising science in the US and
pioneering the study of potential life on other planets. At the Armour
Foundation in Chicago - now called the Illinois Institute of Technology
Research - he was hired by Reiffel to undertake mathematical modelling on the
expansion of an exploding dust cloud in the space around the moon. This was
key to calculating the visibility of such a cloud from the Earth.

At the time scientists still believed there might be microbial life on the
moon and Sagan had suggested a nuclear explosion might be used to detect
organisms.

Despite the highly classified nature of the work, Sagan's biographer, Keay
Davidson, discovered that he had disclosed details of it when he applied for
the prestigious Miller Institute graduate fellowship to Berkeley.

Yet, until today, the full nature of Project A119 has never been revealed.
Friends of Sagan believe he never would have wilfully revealed classified
information, but Reiffel has come forward to put the 'historical record
straight'.

Reiffel continued: 'It was well known that the existence of this project was
top secret. Had Sagan wanted to make any disclosures to any party, as his
boss at the time, I would have had to take forward any such request and Air
Force permission would have been extremely unlikely in those very tense
times.'

In a letter to the science magazine Nature, Reiffel said: 'Fortunately for
the future of lunar science, a one or two horse race to detonate a nuclear
explosion never occurred. But in my opinion Sagan breached security in March,
1959.'

Reiffel produced eight reports between May 1958 and January 1959 on the
feasibility of the plan, all of which were destroyed in 1987 by the
foundation. Reiffel would not discuss details of these reports, believing
they were still classified, but it was clear the conclusion was that the
explosion would have been visible from Earth.

He does not know why the plans were scrapped, but said: 'Thankfully, the
thinking changed. I am horrified that such a gesture to sway public opinion
was ever considered.'

Dr David Lowry, a British nuclear historian, said: 'It is obscene. To think
that the first contact human beings would have had with another world would
have been to explode a nuclear bomb. Had they gone ahead, we would never have
had the romantic image of Neil Armstrong taking "one giant step for
mankind".'

Lowry believes Project A119 has relevance today with the US proposing a
missile defence system in space. He said: 'The US has always wanted to
militarise space and some of the fanciful ideas currently being put forward
will seem as incredible as the idea of nuking the moon in the Fifties seems
today.'

A Pentagon spokesman would not confirm or deny 

Re: [CTRL] 10 Reasons To Legalize ALL Drugs

2000-05-15 Thread tenebroust

Great article Nessie, and you make a good point, which explains why drugs are not 
legal now and probably won't be for a while.  It would be a matter of economics if the 
holders of the patents (if there were such a thing) were the Nazi ex-patriots and our 
own deep black intelligence agencies, as to whether to legalize or not, since they 
would obviously do what would bring more money.  Legalization may provide a broader 
base to sell to thus increasing your market, but the price would come down.  PLUS, and 
perhaps most importantly, IF the stuff stays illegal then the money gained by its sale 
can be hidden and used for nefarious purposes, while "clean: money from open sale 
would not be.
I concede the point, but only just, after all there are other groups who would like a 
piece of the pie, and who also have a vested interest in remaining "legitimate".



On Sun, 14 May 2000, nessie wrote:


 [EMAIL PROTECTED],Internet writes:
 
 Is there anyone here who doubts for one minute that if Pfizer, or some
 other major pharmaceutical firm held a patent for exclusive manufacturing
 rights to Cocaine, or Marijuana, or Heroin, that those drugs would not be
 legal right now and being sold everywhere?



 Yeah, me. See: http://www.sfbg.com/nessie/company.html

 They're worth more illegal. Follow the money.

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Re: [CTRL] 10 Reasons To Legalize ALL Drugs

2000-05-15 Thread tenebroust

Another excellent point.  As it does seem obvious that the "controllers" wish to 
control all aspects of our lives, including one's attempt at spiritual advancement and 
one's seeking after the numinous and the pursuit of happiness.  Drugging us to death 
with "legal" drugs and forcing us to toe the line with work and "responsibility" makes 
for a docile and easily led populace, with no avenues of escape that are outside the 
control of these people.



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  Is there anyone here who doubts for one minute that if Pfizer, or some
 other
  major pharmaceutical firm held a patent for exclusive manufacturing rights
 to
  Cocaine, or Marijuana, or Heroin, that those drugs would not be legal right
  now and being sold everywhere?

   It's not just about money, though.  The war on drugs is about war on the
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Re: [CTRL] US Planned To Nuke The Moon During Cold War

2000-05-15 Thread nessie

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'The explosion would obviously be best on the dark side of the moon and
the

theory was that if the bomb exploded on the edge of the moon, the mushroom

cloud would be illuminated by the sun.'



A cloud in a place with no air, eh? How?

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Re: [CTRL] US Planned To Nuke The Moon During Cold War

2000-05-15 Thread lorne iggulden

If they Nuked the moon there would just be a huge bright flash, ... no heat
inversion, no cloud.
iggynessie wrote:

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 'The explosion would obviously be best on the dark side of the moon and
 the

 theory was that if the bomb exploded on the edge of the moon, the mushroom

 cloud would be illuminated by the sun.'

 A cloud in a place with no air, eh? How?

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Re: [CTRL] Bush And Ephedrine

2000-05-15 Thread tenebroust

Yes, you are correct on both accounts but the point was that the blanket banning of 
Ephedrine is NOT warranted.



On Mon, 15 May 2000, William Shannon wrote:


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  I am not aware of any adverse event report that can be conclusively proven
 to have arisen from Ephedrine use.  In any case Ephedrine no good, for a
 comparitive handful of adverse reactions, BUT Phen-Fen OKAY at least 'til it
 killed people, not to mention other drugs just as bad or worse. 

 Actually, I agree with you that the FDA is out of control HOWEVER it seems
 that the Phen-Fen scare was overblown and may even be spurious.
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Re: [CTRL] Bush And Ephedrine

2000-05-15 Thread nessie

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Yes, you are correct on both accounts but the point was that the blanket
banning of Ephedrine is NOT warranted.

The feds sell cocaine. They don't want competition.

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Re: [CTRL] The Omega Agency

2000-05-15 Thread nessie

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 and if they

cross the line, if they stumble upon the truth of the matter and don't
keep
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[CTRL] Information Warfare on the Web

2000-05-15 Thread Michael Pugliese

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2000-05-15 Thread Jim Condit Jr

Dear CTRL List, There's something strange going on here. Am I finding a
Conspiracy closer to home than I'd HOPED?? :)

After being hung up on a Bill Richer email yesterday and over a dozen times
(maybe two dozen) in the last year, today, with only 71 e-mails in my box
I'm hung up on a Wm Shannon email. I spent so much time unplugging these
bottlenecks that I now have it down to a science on how to find the
offending e-mail by using mailstart.com -- and I'll post how to do this if
other people are having the problem.

It took me hours of talking fuse.net technicians before I could force them
to quit using contradictory explanations to explain the hang up (they were
of good will, but they hadn't seen this type of hang up either). And I'm not
accusing or pointing fingers here -- just reporting -- it really is a time
killer! So far I've never found a non-CTRL email to do this, nor have I ever
experienced the problem on other accounts where I was not getting CTRL mail,
even though the other suppliers I've used are MUCH smaller and less
sophisticated than fuse.net -- which is Cincinnati Bell's internet
providers. Please advise, dear list owners, if you find out anything. THanks
much. Jim Condit Jr.


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 They are who people are talking about when one says orders come
 from "above
 the President".
 The Omega Agency consists of a network set up much like the CIA. There are
 thousands world-wide who take their orders directly from the
 ruling council
 of the Omega Agency. This council consists of 10 to 12 people. George Bush
 and Alexander C. Haig are the only two names that I know at this point who
 sit on the council of the Omega Agency. The OA is the driving force behind
 what is commonly called the "New World Order." The OA's office is
 located at
 Langley AFB.

 The OA originally planned to establish their world-wide control
 in 1995. But
 it was deemed that the time was not right, so they set a new
 target date for
 sometime in the year 2000. They are, above all else, a patient lot. Their
 plans to bring the world under one governing body, namely themselves, have
 been long in the making and thoroughly thought out. They plan to establish
 their NWO, for lack of a better term, in a time span of no less
 than 5 days.
 And they intend to do it without open war.

 Recall when President Reagan was shot. Haig made the statements
 to the press
 that "I'm in charge now." If you'll remember, he caught a lot of flack for
 that, and shortly thereafter, he was accused of various things that ruined
 his name politically. This was done by members of Congress who
 were aware of
 his seat on the Omega Agency council, and they feared losing
 their claim to
 power. Haig jumped the gun in his statements, and ended up giving up his
 political position because of it. Had Reagan died, we would have
 had Bush as
 President, and Haig as Secretary of State. Two men in power who
 sit on the OA
 council. But because of the commotion raised by a few members of Congress,
 Haig faded into the background rather than risk exposure of his
 connection to
 the OA, or of the OA itself.

 Recall when the Gulf War started. Bush used the exact words "New
 World Order"
 in his speech to the country. He said it several times, that the Gulf War
 marked the beginning of a NWO. The Gulf War was not a war about oil or the
 freedom of the people of Kuwait. It was a test of how well multi-national
 troops under the guidance of the UN would react in a war
 situation. The same
 holds true for Somalia and Bosnia. Multi-national troops under
 the direction
 of the UN. The Omega Agency controls the UN.

 Bush didn't lose the election to Clinton. Bush needed to be out of the
 limelight of the presidency in order to concentrate on and
 escalate the plans
 of the Omega Agency. And in Clinton, they had a stooge who would
 not rock the
 boat and who would do what he was told. Notice how quick Clinton
 has been to
 commit US troops to UN peace-keeping forces here and there. Notice who
 Clinton appointed as Secretary of State - Madeline Albright, the UN lady.
 Notice who Clinton gave federal land to - the UN.

 Why the need for a one-world government? The reasoning of the
 Omega Agency is
 this: Crime is out of control on a world-wide basis, especially in the US.
 People are out of control, not taking responsibility for
 themselves or their
 actions. Population growth is out of control on a world-wide level. The
 judicial system of the US is a joke. The political system of the
 US and most
 countries world-wide is a joke, corrupted and polluted by greed and
 power-hungry people who don't care about the population they were
 elected or
 appointed to serve. Under the governing body the Omega Agency
 plans to put in
 power, this would end. End of trial 

[CTRL] Half Million Moms March

2000-05-15 Thread [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED]

Yesterday was Mother's Day.
Depending on who's figures you believe, somewhere between
200,000 and 500,000 mothers (and others) spent their day
in an effort to "reeducate" Americans as to the critical need
for more rigid and restrictive gun laws.

Their rhetoric was predictably inaccurate and misleading.
The moms simply ignore hard statistical data from sources
such as the FBI's Uniform Crime Report and the National Safety Council.
The Mom's Day speakers told the crowd that:
 "12 children are shot and killed every day in America."
According to the Centers for Disease Control (CDC),
the figure is actually 1.7 deaths per day.

While 110 children ages 1-14 died from gun accidents in 1998,
200 suffocated from ingested objects,
570 died from burns,
850 drowned,
and 2,600 died in car accidents.

The National Safety Council reports firearm accidents are at
the lowest ever recorded, totaling 900 — down from 2,513 in 1974

Since 1993, the number of crimes committed with firearms has declined,
falling to levels last experienced in the mid 1980s.
The National Crime Survey (NCS) estimates that there are about 5.4 million
violent crimes (both reported and unreported) and that guns of all types are
involved
in some 650,000 or 12 percent.
In other words, 88 percent of violent crimes do not involve firearms.
Homicide rates recently declined to levels last seen in the late 1960's.

So what is all this hysteria about?
It is about disarming the People of America.
It should be clearly understood that this is the agenda
of the forces behind the antigun movement.

Most of the mothers who marched yesterday are,
no doubt, sinceremisguided, but sincere.

But the cold minds behind the program to disarm
us have no such sincere and well-intentioned motives.

The people of America have always been armed.
We were armed before there was a central government in Washington.
Whey are they afraid for us to be armed now?
What are they planning that they dare not reveal
until we are defenseless?

 Regards to All
 Nakano





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Re: [CTRL] Bush And Ephedrine

2000-05-15 Thread Steve Wingate

They lock up the Pseudofed at the local Safeway and limit the purchase
thereof because it contains a precursor of amphetamines. There are many
meth labs in the Napa Valley area. When I lived in Napa a probable meth
lab caught on fire across the street where I lived.

Steeve

On 15 May 00, at 20:52, tenebroust wrote:

 Yes, you are correct on both accounts but the point was that the blanket banning of 
Ephedrine is NOT warranted.



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[CTRL] HALF MILLION MOM MARCH

2000-05-15 Thread [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED]

Yesterday was Mother's Day.
Depending on who's figures you believe, somewhere between
200,000 and 500,000 mothers (and others) spent their day
in an effort to "reeducate" Americans as to the critical need
for more rigid and restrictive gun laws.

Their rhetoric was predictably inaccurate and misleading.
Listening to some of the speakers, one wonders if their bra size
is larger than their IQ.
The moms simply ignore hard statistical data from sources
such as the FBI's Uniform Crime Report and the National Safety Council.
The Mom's Day speakers told the crowd that:
 "12 children are shot and killed every day in America."
According to the Centers for Disease Control (CDC),
the figure is actually 1.7 deaths per day.

While 110 children ages 1-14 died from gun accidents in 1998,
200 suffocated from ingested objects,
570 died from burns,
850 drowned,
and 2,600 died in car accidents.

The National Safety Council reports firearm accidents are at
the lowest ever recorded, totaling 900 — down from 2,513 in 1974

Since 1993, the number of crimes committed with firearms has declined,
falling to levels last experienced in the mid 1980s.
The National Crime Survey (NCS) estimates that there are about 5.4 million
violent crimes (both reported and unreported) and that guns of all types are
involved
in some 650,000 or 12 percent.
In other words, 88 percent of violent crimes do not involve firearms.
Homicide rates recently declined to levels last seen in the late 1960's.

So what is all this hysteria about?
It is about disarming the People of America.
It should be clearly understood that this is the agenda
of the forces behind the antigun movement.

Most of the mothers who marched yesterday are,
no doubt, sinceremisguided, but sincere.

But the cold minds behind the program to disarm
us have no such sincere and well-intentioned motives.

The people of America have always been armed.
We were armed before there was a central government in Washington.
Whey are they afraid for us to be armed now?
What are they planning that they dare not reveal
until we are defenseless?

 Regards to All
 Nakano

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Re: [CTRL] US Planned To Nuke The Moon During Cold War

2000-05-15 Thread Steve Wingate

The nuclear blast would have thrown a great amount of debris upward, and
it would no doubt have fallen to the surface of the moon more quickly
compared to the case where there was an atmosphere, but it would have
still formed a could or at least a plume. And remember the gravity on the
moon is significantly less than on Earth so the particles of dust might have
even settled slower than on Earth with an atmosphere.

Steve

On 15 May 00, at 20:27, nessie wrote:

 A cloud in a place with no air, eh? How?



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Re: [CTRL] Bush And Ephedrine

2000-05-15 Thread Steve Wingate

On 15 May 00, at 20:55, nessie wrote:

 The feds sell cocaine. They don't want competition.

Definitely.

Steve


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[CTRL] Mexico the pattern for the USA? pt 2

2000-05-15 Thread J Taylor

Importing Mexico's Worsening Racial Inequality
Part 2 of a Series on the Mexican racial hierarchy and its implications for
America

By Steve Sailer
A HREF="http://www.VDare.com"www.VDare.com/A

Will immigration end America's racial divides? Will interracial marriage
convert our descendents into a beige nation of Tiger Woods look-alikes? Will

the flood of Latin American immigrants, who lack the North American
prejudice
against "miscegenation," usher in a new era of racial equality where a
person's class cannot be assumed based merely on his color?

This is the argument of Gregory Rodriguez, a fine young Southern California
journalist of "Unzist" viewpoint - i.e., pro-immigration but
pro-assimilation, in the manner of Ron Unz. "Latinos, whose history has been

one of mixture and among whom mestizos are the rule rather than the
exception, understand hybridity, a notion that America's discourse on race
desperately lacks. … Perhaps once we have fully adopted the concept of
mestizaje into our racial dialogue, we will recognize that Los Angeles is
well on its way to becoming a mestizo metropolis." [A
HREF="http://www.med.ucla.edu/cesla/oped/5-5-96.htm"http://www.med.ucla.edu
/c
esla/oped/5-5-96.htm/A]

This theory sounds plausible. In many ways, it is appealing. Yet, there's
just one little problem. After an experiment lasting nearly 500 years in
Latin America, intermarriage has utterly failed to eliminate racial
inequality. Mestizo nations like Mexico and mulatto nations like Brazil are
bywords for vast concentrations of wealth among the white ruling class
contrasted with extreme poverty among the darkest citizens. In fact, in
Mexico racial segregation is worsening.

What Americans don't comprehend is that, although Mexico doesn't have a
Color
Line, it has an insidious Color Continuum. Latin American immigration will
push us toward an even more extensive racial caste system than the
white-black gap that has so long troubled us.

As my last column showed [A
HREF="http://www.vdare.com/sailer_mexico.htm"htt
p://www.vdare.com/sailer_mexico.htm/A], the corruption of Mexican
political
life that grows out of this hereditary inequality should certainly give us
pause.

Mexico's top political scientist Jorge G. Castaneda described the striking
human disparities in Mexico like this:

"But the inequality is not simply economic; it is also social. A government
undersecretary (one level down from the top echelon of public service)
earned
in 1994 (prior to devaluation) approximately $180,000 after taxes … --
almost
twice what his U.S. counterpart earned before taxes. His chauffeur (provided

by the government, of course) made about $7,500 a year. The official
addresses the employee with the familiar "tu," while the latter must speak
to
the former with the respectful "usted." The official and his peers in the
business and intellectual elites of the nation tend to be white (there are
exceptions, but they are becoming scarcer), well educated, and well traveled

abroad. They send their two children to private schools, removed from the
world of the employee. The employee and his peers tend to be mestizo, many
are barely literate, and they have four or five children, most of whom will
be able to attend school only through the fifth grade." A
HREF="http://www.theatlantic.com/issues/97feb/mexico/castaned.htm"http://ww
w.
theatlantic.com/issues/97feb/mexico/castaned.htm/A

Readers in the American Southwest will find this portrait of life in Mexico
less and less alien. Of course, here our increasingly faux egalitarian
informality that de Tocqueville found so prevalent among Americans dictates
that wealthy white American masters insist that their mestizo servants call
them by their first name. Nor do whites call their servants "servants,"
instead, laboriously describing them as "the cleaning lady," "the
babysitter," the "gardener," and so forth. Still, as a description of
America's future, the essentials are about right. The big difference, of
course, is that to prevent mestizos from "becoming scarcer" in elite jobs in

America, we offer them anti-discrimination bureaucracies and quotas.

How did Mexico end up like this, despite twenty generations of
intermarriage?
Surprisingly little is written about Mexico and race. In the U.S., we aren't

really aware of the wide racial range among Mexicans since almost all
Mexican-Americans are mestizos. This is because the non-Spanish-speaking
Indians of the Deep South have been so downtrodden that until recently they
lacked the confidence to immigrate. (Mexican Indians who don't speak
Spanish,
however, have been showing up in California in recent years. Since they
haven't assimilated into Hispanic culture in 480 years, perhaps Mr.
Rodriguez
will inform us when they can be expected to assimilate into American
culture.) And Mexico's white elite finds life south of the border far too
sweet to come north for anything other than advanced degrees, advanced
medical care, and advanced shopping.

The 

Re: [CTRL] Chemtrail Alert

2000-05-15 Thread Michael Corbin

-Original Message-
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Sent:   Monday, May 15, 2000 12:32 PM
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Subject:Re: [CTRL] Chemtrail Alert


Just go to the website:  http://www.paranetinfo.com and look for the link
to the program and you will find the real audio archives of the programs.

Michael

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[CTRL] George Kerman, the necessary lie

2000-05-15 Thread Michael Pugliese

[from Frances Stonor Saunders, The Cultural Cold War: The CIA and the
World of Arts and Letters (New Press, 2000), pp. 39-40]

The foremost articulator of the shared convictions of America's elite
was George Kerman, diplomat-scholar, architect of the Marshall Plan,
and as director of the State Department's Policy Planning Staff, one
of the fathers of the CIA. In 1947 he advocated direct military
intervention in Italy in what he saw as its imminent collapse into a
civil war supported by the Communists: 'This would admittedly result
in much violence and probably a military division of Italy,' he told
the State Department, but 'it might well be preferable to a bloodless
election victory, unopposed by ourselves, which would give the
Communists the entire peninsula at one coup and send waves of panic
to all surrounding areas.' Truman, fortunately, didn't go along with
this precipitate suggestion, but he did authorize covert intervention
in the Italian elections instead. By July 1947, Kerman had modified
his views not about the nature of the Soviet threat, but about how to
deal with it. In his famous 'X' article in the journal Foreign
Affairs, he set forth the thesis which dominated the early years of
the Cold War. Claiming that the Kremlin was committed to dominating
'every nook and cranny available ... in the basin of world power'
with its 'fanatical ideology', he proposed a policy of 'unalterable
counter force', and 'firm and vigilant containment'. As part of this
policy, he advocated 'the maximum development of the propaganda and
political warfare techniques', which, as director of the Policy
Planning Staff (designed to oversee the ideologicalpolitical
containment of Europe), he was perfectly placed to implement. 'The
world was our oyster,' he later wrote of this office.

In a speech to the National War College in December 1947, it was
Kennan who introduced the concept of 'the necessary lie' as a vital
constituent of American post-war diplomacy. The Communists, he said,
had won a 'strong position in Europe, so immensely superior to our
own ... through unabashed and skilful use of lies. They have fought
us with unreality, with irrationalism. Can we combat this unreality
successfully with rationalism, with truth, with honest, well-meant
economic assistance?' he asked. No, America needed to embrace a
newera of covert warfare to advance her democratic objectives against
Soviet deceit.

On 19 December 1947, Kerman's political philosophy acquired legal
authority in a directive issued by Truman's National Security
Council, NSC-4. A top-secret appendix to this directive, NSC-4A,
instructed the Director of Central Intelligence to undertake 'covert
psychological activities' in support of American anti-Communist
policies. Startlingly opaque about what procedures should be followed
for coordinating or approving such activities, this appendix was the
first formal post-war authorization for clandestine operations.
Superseded in June 1948 by a new - and more explicit - directive
drafted by George Kennan, NSC-10/2, these were the documents which
piloted American intelligence into the choppy waters of secret
political warfare for decades to come.

Prepared in the tightest secrecy, these directives 'adopted an
expansive conception of [America's] security requirements to include
a world substantially made over in its own image.' Proceeding from
the premise that the Soviet Union and its satellite countries were
embarked on a programme of 'vicious' covert activities to 'discredit
and defeat the aims and activities of the United States and other
western powers', NSC-10/2 gave the highest sanction of the government
to a plethora of covert operations: 'propaganda, economic warfare,
preventative direct action including sabotage, anti-sabotage,
demolition and evacuation measures; subversion against hostile states
including assistance to underground resistance movements, guerrillas
and refugee liberation groups'. All such activities, in the words of
NSC-10/2, must be 'so planned and executed that any U.S. government
responsibility for them is not evident to unauthorized persons, and
that if uncovered the U.S. government can plausibly disclaim any
responsibility for them.'

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Re: [CTRL] Gun Myths Debunked

2000-05-15 Thread Daryl Stambaugh

Sadly, we are not only lacking leaders and philosophers of founding fathers
stature but we suffer from lack of a populace deserving of such honorable
persons.

"No one can read our Constitution without concluding that the people who
wrote it wanted their government severely limited; the words 'no' and 'not'
are employed in restraint of government power 24 times in the first 7
articles of the Constitution and 22 more times in the Bill of Rights." Opitz

I had occasion to take a young person to see "GLADIATOR" this weekend and was
not particularly looking forward to it, however, I was very glad that we
went. If you have the opportunity, I would recommend attending this motion
picture. It is about heroes and leading a principled life { and yes it is
about Roman gladiators- Marcus Aureulius et.al. . . . with the usual
historical "latitude" }. There is a particular moment in the script when the
relationship of the Roman Populace to the gladiators and emperors is
crystallized ... that exact same relationship exists today!


WHEN PROPERTY RIGHTS NO LONGER EXISTS, YOU ARE PROPERTY!

Daryl

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[CTRL] MERCURY AMALGAMS

2000-05-15 Thread Daryl Stambaugh

In re  Freya Koss   posting on amalgam filing dangers:

The following information is for anyone who has amalgam filings {'silver' or
'mercury'}, particularly if you are going to have work done on those filings.
Removing the in place filings can release inordinate amounts of mercury in a
short time . . . find a dentist who knows how to remove them, even with this
precaution, you will still get a high exposure upon removal.

POP QUIZ: Who holds the patents on amalgam filing material? Ans.:   AMA

There is a short article about a Dr. Yoshiaki Omura by David G. Williams, DC,
which was posted to   www.ctrl.orgsome time ago, which reports on Dr.
Omura's discovery that  CILANTRO  [ also known as CHINESE PARSLEY or in its
seed form  CORIANDOR ] has a remarkable ability to chelate mercury, lead and
aluminum from the body.  Dr. Omura believes that it is desirable to eat RAW
cilantro in salads for best effect; cooking is harmful to the chelating
ability of cilantro. Cilantro is usually available in larger food store
veggie sections and is not expensive. If you are unfamiliar with it, the
taste is  'unusual' at first but it is widely used around the world as a
seasoning. I now grow my own, it's a weed actually, in Montana so you should
be able to grow it as well.

ACUPUNCT  ELECTROTHER RES  96;21(2): 133-60
ACUPUNCT  ELECTROTHER RES  95:20(3-4): 195-229)

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[CTRL] Patent issued for using barcode tatoos to identify humans.

2000-05-15 Thread Michael Pugliese

politechbot.com: Patent issued for using barcode tatoos to identify humans
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Patent issued for using barcode tatoos to identify humans



Date: Sat, 13 May 2000 18:13:11 -0400
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Subject: FC: Patent issued for using barcode tatoos to identify humans
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Date: Sat, 13 May 2000 09:40:28 -0800
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
From: Jim Warren [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: 1999 patent issued for using barcode tatoos for human
identification

Aside from the comparison of this patent to the numbers tatooed on
prisoners in Hitler's death-camps during World War II more than half a
century ago, and its comparison to the barcode scanning systems that have
been in use for decades to identify everything from cans of soup to patient
tags used in some hospitals and medical records -- one wonders what
kindergarden child working in the US Patent and Trademark Office concluded
that this was a non-obvious and novel "discovery" worthy of a patent?!

The US PTO is obviously in need of some adult supervision!

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http://patents.uspto.gov/cgi-bin/ifetch4?ENG+PATBIB-ALL+0+967198+0+7+25907+O
F+1+1+1+PN%2f5878155


United States Patent  5,878,155
Heeter Mar. 2, 1999

Method for verifying human identity during electronic sale transactions
Abstract
A method is presented for facilitating sales transactions by electronic
media. A bar code or a design is tattooed on an individual. Before the
sales transaction can be consummated, the tattoo is scanned with a scanner.
Characteristics about the scanned tattoo are compared to characteristics
about other tattoos stored on a computer database in order to verify the
identity of the buyer. Once verified, the seller may be authorized to debit
the buyer's electronic bank account in order to consummate the transaction.
The seller's electronic bank account may be similarly updated.

***

Here's an article from last year on Heeter's patent:
http://www.newscientist.com/ns/19991023/patentrigh.html

Some folks were upset:
http://www.av1611.org/666/index.html
http://home.iae.nl/users/lightnet/world/mark.htm
http://sites.netscape.net/tadprophet/waymarks

So we know that a man named Thomas W. Heeter, who lives in or near Houston,
Texas last year received a patent on this barcode scheme. What's
interesting is that a man also named Thomas W. Heeter, who also lives in or
near Houston, recently ran for election as a family court judge.

-Declan

The Houston Chronicle
March 11, 1999
Ex-judge candidate sues Fox television
By RON NISSIMOV

A former Democratic candidate for a Harris County state district judge
position has sued Fox television, two reporters and a lawyer regarding
broadcasts that questioned his competency to serve as judge.

Lawyer Thomas W. Heeter, who ran unopposed in the March 10, 1998,
Democratic primary for 312th state district judge, is representing himself
in the state district suit he filed Tuesday.

The suit said that broadcasts last year from March 5 to March 15 wrongly
accused Heeter of "being subject to a mental health warrant, being
previously convicted for indecent exposure, offering a $ 50,000 bribe to
Judge T.O. Stansbury, carrying a gun and threatening to cause bodily injury
(and) lying about his county of residence in order to run for public
office."

The Harris County Democratic party decided in May 1998 not to back Heeter
because of his "personal and professional challenges," said Sue Schechter,
county Democratic chairwoman, at the time. Heeter dropped out of the race
before the November 1998 election

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[CTRL] BIOTECH IN TROUBLE--PART 2

2000-05-15 Thread Bill Kingsbury

 RACHEL'S ENVIRONMENT  HEALTH WEEKLY #696
---May 11, 2000---


 BIOTECH IN TROUBLE--PART 2

 We saw last week that the genetically-engineered-food industry
 may be spiraling downward. Last July, U.S. Secretary of
 Agriculture Dan Glickman -- a big supporter of genetically
 engineered foods -- began comparing agricultural biotechnology
 to nuclear power, a severely-wounded industry.[1] (Medical
 biotechnology is a different industry and a different story
 because it is intentionally contained whereas agricultural
 biotech products are intentionally released into the natural
 environment.)

 In Europe, genetically engineered food has to be labeled and few
 are buying it. As the NEW YORK TIMES reported two months ago,
 "In Europe, the public sentiment against genetically engineered
 [GE] food reached a ground swell so great that the cultivation
 and sale of such food there has all but stopped."[2] The
 Japanese government also requires GE foods to be labeled.
 Americans in overwhelming numbers (80% to 90% or more) have
 indicated they want GE foods labeled but the GE firms consider a
 label tantamount to a skull and crossbones and the Clinton/Gore
 administration has sided with the biotech corporations against
 the people. To be fair, there are no indications that a
 Republican president would take a different approach. The
 biotech firms have invested heavily in U.S. elections and the
 resulting government represents their interests at home just as
 it does abroad. On this issue, to an astonishing degree, the
 biotech firms ARE the government.

 Since the early 1980s, biotech corporations have been planting
 their own people inside government agencies, which then created
 a regulatory structure so lax and permissive that biotech firms
 have been able to introduce new genetically modified foods into
 the nation's grocery stores at will. Then these same
 "regulators" have left government and taken highly-paid jobs
 with the biotech firms. It represents an extreme case of the
 "revolving door" syndrome.

 The U.S. regulatory system for GE foods, which was created in
 1986, is voluntary.[3,pg.143] The U.S. Department of Agriculture
 regulates genetically engineered plants and the U.S. Food and
 Drug Administration (FDA) regulates foods made from those
 plants. If any of the plants are, themselves, pesticidal then
 U.S. Environmental Protection Agency gets involved. But in no
 case has any long-term safety testing been done. As the NEW YORK
 TIMES reported last July, "Mr. Glickman [U.S. Secretary of
 Agriculture] acknowledged that none of the agencies responsible
 for the safety of genetically modified foods -- the Agriculture
 Department, the F.D.A., and the Environmental Protection Agency
 -- had enough staff or resources to conduct such testing."[1] At
 the time Mr. Glickman made his statement, 70 million acres in
 the U.S. had already been planted with genetically modified
 crops and 2/3rds of the food in U.S. grocery stores contained
 genetically modified plant materials.[3,pg.33]

 The importance of safety testing was emphasized by the National
 Academy of Sciences (NAS) in its latest (April 2000) report on
 biotech foods. The NAS [pg. 63] said safety problems might
 include these:

 ** New allergens may be introduced into foods.

 ** New toxins may be introduced into foods. The NAS said,
 "...there is reason to expect that organisms in US
 agroecosystems and humans could be exposed to new toxins when
 they associate with or eat these plants." [pg. 129]

 ** Existing toxins in foods may reach new levels, or may be
 moved into edible portions of plants. ("Overall increases in the
 concentrations of secondary plant chemicals in the total plant
 might cause toxic chemicals that are normally present only in
 trace amounts in edible parts to be increased to the point where
 they pose a toxic hazard," NAS said on pg. 72.)

 ** New allergens may be introduced into pollen, then spread into
 the environment. [The NAS remains silent on the human-health
 implications of new allergens spread via pollen. If the biotech
 firms have their way, we will learn about this by trial and
 error. Unfortunately, trial and error has a serious drawback in
 this instance: once new genetic materials are released into the
 environment, they cannot be retrieved. Unlike chemical
 contamination, biotech contamination is irreversible.]

 ** Previously unknown protein combinations now being produced in
 plants might have unforseen effects when new genes are
 introduced into the plants;

 ** Nutritional content of a plant may be diminished. [pg. 140]

 The mechanism for creating unexpected proteins or unexpected
 toxins or allergens would be pleiotropy, the NAS explained [pg.
 134]. Pleiotropy is the creation of multiple effects within an
 organism by adding a single new gene. In other words, putting a
 new gene into a tomato, intending to make the tomato more
 resistant to cold weather, might by chance, 

[CTRL] BIOTECH IN TROUBLE--PART 1

2000-05-15 Thread Bill Kingsbury

 RACHEL'S ENVIRONMENT  HEALTH WEEKLY #695
 ---May 4, 2000---


 BIOTECH IN TROUBLE--PART 1

 The agricultural biotechnology industry's situation is desperate
 and deteriorating. To be sure, genetically engineered (GE) food
 is still selling briskly on grocery shelves in the U.S. but
 probably only because GE products are not labeled, so consumers
 have no idea what they're buying.

 At present, an estimated 2/3rds of all products for sale in U.S.
 grocery stores contain genetically engineered (GE) crops, none of
 which are labeled as such.[1] However, polls show that U.S.
 consumers overwhelmingly want GE foods labeled. In a TIME
 magazine poll in January, 1999, 81 percent of respondents said
 genetically engineered foods should be labeled.[2] A month
 earlier, a poll of U.S. consumers by the Swiss drug firm Novartis
 had found that more than 90% of the public wants labeling.[3] The
 NEW YORK TIMES reported late last year that a "biotech industry
 poll" showed that 93% of Americans want genetically engineered
 foods labeled.[4] Legislation requiring labels on GE foods was
 introduced into Congress last November by a bi-partisan group of
 20 legislators.[5]

 For five years the GE food industry has been saying GE foods
 couldn't be labeled because it would require segregating GE from
 non-GE crops -- a practical impossibility, they said. However, in
 December, 1999, Monsanto announced that it had developed a new
 strain of rapeseed (a crop used to make canola cooking oil) that
 might raise the levels of vitamin A in humans.[6] How could
 consumers identify (and pay a premium price for) such a product
 if it weren't labeled? Obviously labeling will become possible --
 indeed, essential -- when it serves the interests of the biotech
 corporations.

 Many food suppliers seem to have figured out for themselves how
 to segregate GE crops from non-GE. According to the NEW YORK
 TIMES, Kellogg's, Kraft Foods, McDonald's, Nestle USA, and Quaker
 Oats all sell gene-altered foods in the U.S. but not overseas.[7]
 Gerber and H.J. Heinz announced some time ago that they have
 managed to exclude genetically modified crops from their baby
 foods.

 For its part, the U.S. government has steadfastly maintained that
 labeling of GE foods is not necessary -- and might even be
 misleading -- because traditional crops and GE crops are
 "substantially equivalent." For example, the government has
 maintained that Monsanto's "New Leaf" potato -- which has been
 genetically engineered to incorporate a pesticide into every cell
 in the potato, to kill potato beetles -- is substantially
 equivalent to normal potatoes, even though the New Leaf potato
 is, itself, required to be registered as a pesticide with U.S.
 Environmental Protection Agency (EPA). (See REHW #622.)

 Now the government's position has become untenable. In February
 of this year, the government signed the international BioSafety
 Protocol, a treaty with 130 other nations, in which all
 signatories agree that genetically modified crops are
 significantly different from traditional crops. Thus with the
 swipe of a pen, the U.S. government has now formally acknowledged
 that GE crops are not "substantially equivalent" to traditional
 crops.

 Meanwhile, a groundswell of consumer protest reached a crescendo
 last year in England and Europe, then spread to Japan and the
 U.S. where it has severely eroded investor confidence in the
 industry. Major U.S. firms that had invested heavily in the
 technology are now being forced to pull back. As we reported
 earlier (REHW #685), Monsanto, Novartis, and AstraZeneca all
 announced in early January that they are turning away from -- or
 abandoning entirely -- the concept of "life sciences" -- a
 business model that combines pharmaceuticals and agricultural
 products. The NEW YORK TIMES reported in January that American
 Home Products -- a pharmaceutical giant -- "has been looking for
 a way to unload its agricultural operations." At that time the
 TIMES also said, "Analysts have speculated that Monsanto will
 eventually shed its entire agricultural operation."[8] In late
 February, DuPont announced that it was returning to its
 traditional industrial chemical business to generate profits. The
 WALL STREET JOURNAL said February 23, "But the big plans DuPont
 announced for its pharmaceuticals and biotech divisions fizzled
 as consolidation changed the landscape, and investor enthusiasm
 cooled in the face of controversy over genetically engineered
 crops."[9]

 Investors are not the only ones turning away from genetically
 engineered foods. The WALL STREET JOURNAL announced in late April
 that "fast-food chains such as McDonald's Corp. are quietly
 telling their french-fry suppliers to stop using" Monsanto's
 pesticidal New Leaf potato. "Virtually all the [fast food] chains
 have told us they prefer to take nongenetically modified
 potatoes," said a spokesperson for the J.M. Simplot Company of

[CTRL] Fw: Patent issued for using barcode tatoos to identify humans.

2000-05-15 Thread Michael Pugliese

Subject: Re: Patent issued for using barcode tatoos to identify humans.


 http://www.thesmokinggun.com/archive/tatpatent1.shtml

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Re: [CTRL] Fwd: [CIA-DRUGS] FROM THE WILDERNESS SUBSCRIBER BULLETIN 00-06 Ho...

2000-05-15 Thread Prudence L. Kuhn

In a message dated 05/12/2000 8:34:58 PM Eastern Daylight Time,
[EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:

 The term "no evidence" was repeated three times in the 13 paragraph story
 which ultimately implied that the blame for all of this exhaustive
 government expense and waste of the taxpayer's money fell squarely at the
 feet of former "San Jose Mercury News" reporter Gary Webb. Webb's August,
 1996 "Dark Alliance" stories began the investigations. There was, of course,
 no mention of the publicly available Volume II of the CIA's Inspector
 General report, the Casey-Smith letter of 1982 or the voluminous hard
 evidence that exists showing direct CIA complicity in drug trafficking. That
 evidence, as reported ad nauseum in FTW, exists in the CIA's own documents
 and is available to anyone who wants to read it at our web site. 

Of course this is what we all expected.  I know we all love and trust our CIA
now that the other honest and true folks (Congress) have declared them
faithful as bird dogs and kind as Santa Claus.  Prudy

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[CTRL] Donald Freed on JonBenet Ramsey Case

2000-05-15 Thread Kris Millegan

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TRANSCRIPT OF A PUBLIC AFFAIR
aired 2/15/99  08:35am on KGNU-Boulder

MCFARLAND: This is Bob McFarland with a public affair and my guest this
morning is Donald Freed who is an author, screen writer among other
things. Donald Freed has written Killing Time, a book about the OJ
Simpson trial and the screen play, quot;Executive Actionquot; which
was about the JFK assassination. And what other things would the
listeners be interested in what you've done?

FREED: I'm a visiting professor at Loyola Marymount University  (L.A.)
and I'm teaching at USC and I'm working on a film about the murder of
Martin Luther King.

I've been working for about a year and a half on the Ramsey murder for a
two part series for ABC one of which is completed and the other of which
will be completed if ABC wishes to complete it. At the moment they have
frozen the project and itís not clear whether it will be done elsewhere
if at all. And of course the crime that has generated such interest has
also GENERATED GREAT FEAR in the media because this taboo is the most
fearsome in a way of all the taboos.

 But in so working on ABC's budget for that time, I was able to go to
Europe and elsewhere. And I finally presented some information to the
police and the FBI during several meetings in Boulder.  I haven't talked
about it publicly until now, but I think now that I've waited more then
what use to be called a "decent interval." So I'll talk about this a
little bit.

If you take your mind back to the morning of the crime---I say the
morning of the crime because I think its clear what I mean and that
day after Christmas.  The call came into the Boulder police at about
5:52am and thus began the time-line.

The kind of work I do is forensic work on time-lines. That's what I did
in the Simpson case in (my book) Killing Time. That's what I would
like you to follow me on.

After that call comes in, a uniformed policeman comes to the house by
about 6:00 am and then more personnel arrive. The morning goes by; in
the early afternoon the body is found, and sometime in the evening the
coroner arrives---and that's the rough time-line of that day.  For
several hours during the morning, a Boulder police detective was alone
at the house while family and friends walked about and generally,
completely co-opted the crime scene.

Since that first day until this hour the lawyers and the pundits and
experts and media commentators have never ceased to state that the
Boulder police did not maintain the crime scene. In fact, they destroyed
the crime scene and they went so far as to create the most awkward move
perhaps in the history of a homicide investigation in asking John Ramsey
to search the house whereupon he found his daughter, carried her
upstairs, and laid her out in front of the Christmas tree.

All  this has been rehearsed and repeated endlessly in the media and its
been stated by the most serious experts that the case will probably
never, ever go to trial because of the police mishandling of that day.
What is more (it is perceived) that the police didn't take the expert
advice that such an amateur police department from such a little town
would have needed. And there was the FBI offering to help at every step
of the way and finally trying to salvage the case by inviting everyone
to Quantico, Virginia; then helping with the presentation. And that is
the general idea or story line of the case.

MCFARLAND: Yes, one of the detectives, Linda Arndt filed a lawsuit over
her dismissal.

FREED: Now, if I may, Dr. McFarland, ask you a few questions?

MCFARLAND: Sure

FREED: How did it come to pass that, in your opinion, that the Boulder
police were in charge of the crime scene in general for about eight
hours with a lone detective there. And how is it that this detective and
this police force had never held themselves out as experts on terrorism
or kidnapping. Remember we're talking about a note that announces itís
from a foreign faction that "hates" your country and has other "bigwigs"
in their gunsights.  How do you understand it that the Boulder
police---the much blamed Boulder police---are in charge of this crime
scene?!?

MCFARLAND: H? Well, I think they didn't feel the need for another
unit because they really didn't believe that ransom note.

FREED: Oh, I quite agree with you, BUT let me say to you this. You're
aware, I'm sure, that the historic and famous jurisdiction, in the case
of kidnapping, belongs to the Federal Bureau of Investigation.

MCFARLAND: The Lindberg LawFREED: YES, itís not only their jealously
guarded turf, but they base their budget on few traditional areas such
as grand theft auto; 

Re: [CTRL] MMM violating IRS law (fwd)

2000-05-15 Thread Chris Gaydosh

I think we need to get a few facts straight about yesterday's Million Mom March,
regardless if you agree or disagree with the cause.

First, the US Park Service's estimated total was 750,000.  This is peak
attendance, and the total attendance at such rallies is usually 1/3 higher due
to the park service's estimation process.  It purposely underestimates, to
include people who do not attend the entire rally and the Mall's average number
of visitors on a given day.  Total attendance was likely to be slightly above
one million.  I was there.

MMM is exempt from federal taxes because the condition you site applies to
organizations who GIVE money to political candidates , PACs and other entities
(like the NRA, NEA).  MMM only encourages persons to vote and support candidates
with their agenda, not for the MMM to fund them .  By the way, the NRA, etc. do
not pay most federal taxes, and should, based on the laws you site.

School children are given credit for attending rallies because it exposes them
to their political process, and many schools, public and private, do this on a
regular basis, regardless if the children agree with the rally.  It is the act
of seeing a major political rally that is important.  Catholic school often send
their entire classes to anti-abortion rallies, and most schools have a strong
stake in reducing gun violence among their students.

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