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Attacks Against America Are Not Over
Col. Stanislav Lunev
Friday, September 14, 2001
Col. Stanislav Lunev is the highest-ranking military spy ever to
defect from Russia. He continues as a security consultant to the
U.S. government. He filed this report from an undisclosed location
in Europe.
I was surprised to hear, Thursday, some politicians in Washington
making statements that terrorist operations against America are
over.

How can they make such claims?

International terrorists are still targeting the U.S. and the
American people as never before. Osama bin Laden, Hamas and other
well-known and currently unknown terrorist organizations consider
America as their number one target.

After such an elaborate and coordinated attack was just conducted
against the U.S., isn't it reasonable to think that the terrorist
groups, backed by powerful nations, might a) already have plans for
an escalation of such attacks, or b) now, seeing the vulnerability
of the U.S., become encouraged and launch additional attacks?

Since I defected to the U.S. from Russia, I have been always
somewhat perplexed by the politically correct thinking in
Washington and among the U.S. media.

The media are now openly criticizing the President for remaining in
Air Force One and not returning immediately to New York or
Washington.

The President acted very correctly and very smartly. As I recall,
America has a Constitution. The President's sole real
responsibility is to preserve your Constitutional government - not
to hold press conferences.

Obviously, the President and his advisors understood that there was
a real possibility of a larger threat - perhaps nuclear - and one
the media doesn't want you to know about.

Let me explain. When I defected in the 1990s from Russia's GRU -
its military intelligence - I told the FBI, the CIA, the DIA,
anyone that would listen - that the Russians already had elaborate
war plans against the U.S.

I suggested that such a war might begin with a diversion, some sort
of terrorist attack. With people's attention focused elsewhere,
special troops could storm Capitol Hill, the Pentagon, the White
House - to kill American leaders.

I also warned the American government that I believe Russia has
already smuggled small nuclear devices into the U.S.

I have no doubt that Russia has been behind many of these terrorist
groups, financing and equipping them.

The President acted prudently. He continues to do so, by
understanding the new, larger attacks may occur.

He also knows just how weak American intelligence agencies are
after the Clinton-Gore administration.

Also, these terrorists are funded and sponsored by countries Iraq,
Iran, Libya, Syria and by other rogue nations (all closely aligned
with either Russia or China). These terrorist groups and nations
want nothing less than war against Western civilization.

First of all they would like to destroy the U.S., the recognized
leader of the civilized world.

On Sept. 11, terrorists used the so-called "cheapest" way for the
destruction of symbols of American financial and military power. By
doing it this way, the terrorists show just how vulnerable we are.
It also allows them to have a place from which they can escalate
the terror.

This suicidal attack could have been prevented, but that did not
happen.

However, Tuesday's tragedy very clearly demonstrated the depths of
terrorist penetration through the American nation - where they are
operating, as if they were in their own backyard - and, for
example, using American training facilities for the preparation of
the attacks against American people.

I am continually amazed how easy the American government makes it
for enemies to penetrate American society and institutions. I am
also amazed how many American journalists dislike America, and
openly work against this country.

>From now on, we know for sure that there are hundreds if not
thousands of terrorists who are living among us in America.

They are preparing to continue the war against countries, which
provide them hospitality, including dozens of so-called "sleepers"
or specially trained terrorists who pretend to be U.S. citizens and
residents. 24 hours a day, every day, they are waiting for the
wake-up call from their organization leaders for a new attack
against American people.

The next attack may be more severe.

According to Western intelligence estimations, the most powerful
international terrorists organizations already have access to
weapons of mass destruction, including chemical, biological and
nuclear weapons and materials.

There is no doubt that the leaders of terrorist organizations
already have their own combat groups in America. Next time they
could use, against the American people, weapons of mass destruction
or so-called "expensive" weapons, which could be delivered to the
U.S. very soon, if they aren't already deployed inside America.

It's very difficult to understand the logic of terrorists and
impossible to predict the

[CTRL] Samantha Cannot Mind Her Own Business

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From: "Samantha L." <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Sent: Saturday, September 15, 2001 1:53 AM
Subject: Re: [CTRL] Amelia Amelia Amelia

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  There is nothing in the CTRL guidelines that prohibits putting a
member's
name in the subject line.  Kris asks us to be civil but it is not
uncivil to
put a member's name there.  Maybe if YOU were more civil people
would honor
your requests.

Samantha

In a message dated 9/15/01 1:35:38 AM Central Daylight Time,
[EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:

> Second request:  Leave my name OUT OF THE SUBJECT line!
>

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Re: [CTRL] Ted Olson On FoxNews

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Right, kl, and they were 'clandestine because she was making them
without the hijackers knowledge.  It was the pilot about whom she
asked what she should tell.  And I thought Ted Olson looked
devastated.  AnnCoulter, close personal friend ways they were ideal
couple and very close.

Grieving people take on many appearances for no two people grieve
in the same manner.  I think it is rather odd to do a critique on
the manner in which people who have just lost their immediate
family express their grief.
Amelia
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From: "klewis" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Sent: Friday, September 14, 2001 10:16 PM
Subject: Re: [CTRL] Ted Olson On FoxNews

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On 14 Sep 2001 at 21:41, Linda Minor wrote:

> -Caveat Lector-
>
> If you look at the earlier reports of Barbara Olson's cell phone
calls to
> Ted, it calls the calls "clandestine," but in the same breath
says
she kept
> asking him what she should tell the hijacker.
>
>

Nope  - she asked what she should tell the pilot, who had been
herded to the back of the plane with the passengers.
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Re: [CTRL] Amelia Amelia Amelia


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  There is nothing in the CTRL guidelines that prohibits putting a member's
name in the subject line.  Kris asks us to be civil but it is not uncivil to
put a member's name there.  Maybe if YOU were more civil people would honor
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Samantha

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[EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:

> Second request:  Leave my name OUT OF THE SUBJECT line!
>
>  So Goggle search is highly inaccurate on you but you are the one
>  who suggested it is the definitive word on other subjects and
>  people.  I understand.
>
>  Apparently you do not get it.  I DON'T CARE IF THE MAN IS RACIST,
>  as long as he is not breaking the law, he has free speech.  Period.
>  And I assure you Mo Dees is keeping tabs to make sure that does not
>  happen.  They have a long-running feud I have since learned.  Dees
>  is NOT very popular locally for he is a pervert.  Anyone who points
>  this out, well, we see what happens to them.
>
>  But you know what?  I have a great deal more respect for a person
>  who is honest and up front about their beliefs no matter what they
>  are  than somebody like you, lurking on lists to 'see what the
>  loons are doing.'  And the others on who you seem to have a need to
>  keep tabs.  Gestapo tactics.  Making a list, checking it twice??
>  God, I hate a sneak and a snitch.  Like the good neighbors calling
>  cops who burned the man to death in California.  And the ones who
>  were mad at their neighbors but the neighbors got $10.2 million
>  judgment against ADL.
>
>  I have very little interest in the subject and do not plan to read
>  a damn thing you suggest.  You did NOT provide one shred of proof
>  that the ORGANIZATION in question was racist.  "If a  cat has
>  kittens in the oven, that don't make 'em biscuits."  If a Zen
>  Buddhist joins my garden club, that does not make us Buddhist
>  Gardeners for it is the intent of the organization as a whole and
>  not individual members.
>
>  You pompous ass, do you think you are the only one who had any of
>  these subjects in college?  Or are you some sort of self-appointed
>  expert?  Furthermore, I will form my own opinions about websites.
>  Stick your comic book up your ass.  I was probably reading that
>  shit when you were in diapers!
>  Amelia
>

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Re: [CTRL] The two become one in destruction: God is just like me!

2001-09-14 Thread Edward Britton


Amelia:

Could
the 'nose' be the fuselage of the plane as I am sure the wings were the
first to be stripped clear as the rest of the plane shot through the
building like a missile.  Then the 'eyes' from the extreme heat in the
close proximity of the fuel tanks.  It DOES create an eerie
effect.

God=satan. Satan=God. Equivalency.

Edward   ><+>

"What a strange world is this, where the price for all life is
death. Where a being must die that I may live. Where the strong are
nourished by the weak, and where the sinner is saved by the flesh of the
pure. Surely the joys of heaven are powered by the pains of
hell."

[CTRL] The two become one in destruction: God is just like me!




Could the 'nose' be the fuselage of the plane as 
I am sure the wings were the first to be stripped clear as the rest of the plane 
shot through the building like a missile.  Then the 'eyes' from the extreme 
heat in the  close proximity of the fuel tanks.  It DOES create an 
eerie effect.
Amelia

Re: [CTRL] Our Little Marxist Friends


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   Heh, Saba, I'll make it easy for you! (And, btw, I'm not little! I'm Six
Feet, Five Inches Tall!)
   http://www.google.com/search?[EMAIL PROTECTED]
A few hundred more hits this way, Results 1 - 10 of about 1,990
http://www.google.com/search?hl=en&q=Michael+Pugliese+debsian&btnG=Google+Se
arch
   Even more just this way. Results 1 - 10 of about 2,230
http://www.google.com/search?hl=en&q=debsian&btnG=Google+Search
   Have fun! BTW, you anti-semite loon, I'm Catholic. You hate Catholics
like the Know Nothing Party in the 1840's? And, I oppose the repression of
the Palestinians but, I hate Jew haters like you. Go back to reading the
Protocols of the Learned Elders of Zion, now. But, first read some of my
zillions of words.
Find me at lbo-talk, pen-l, marxist, asdnet, psn, and the archives of
marxmail before Stalinist lover of Milosevic, Lou Proyect purged me. And,
again, enjoy!
Michael Pugliese
http://groups.yahoo.com/group/marxist/message/3004

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[CTRL] , that is another Michael Pugliese!!!


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Second request:  Leave my name OUT OF THE SUBJECT line!

So Goggle search is highly inaccurate on you but you are the one
who suggested it is the definitive word on other subjects and
people.  I understand.

Apparently you do not get it.  I DON'T CARE IF THE MAN IS RACIST,
as long as he is not breaking the law, he has free speech.  Period.
And I assure you Mo Dees is keeping tabs to make sure that does not
happen.  They have a long-running feud I have since learned.  Dees
is NOT very popular locally for he is a pervert.  Anyone who points
this out, well, we see what happens to them.

But you know what?  I have a great deal more respect for a person
who is honest and up front about their beliefs no matter what they
are  than somebody like you, lurking on lists to 'see what the
loons are doing.'  And the others on who you seem to have a need to
keep tabs.  Gestapo tactics.  Making a list, checking it twice??
God, I hate a sneak and a snitch.  Like the good neighbors calling
cops who burned the man to death in California.  And the ones who
were mad at their neighbors but the neighbors got $10.2 million
judgment against ADL.

I have very little interest in the subject and do not plan to read
a damn thing you suggest.  You did NOT provide one shred of proof
that the ORGANIZATION in question was racist.  "If a  cat has
kittens in the oven, that don't make 'em biscuits."  If a Zen
Buddhist joins my garden club, that does not make us Buddhist
Gardeners for it is the intent of the organization as a whole and
not individual members.

You pompous ass, do you think you are the only one who had any of
these subjects in college?  Or are you some sort of self-appointed
expert?  Furthermore, I will form my own opinions about websites.
Stick your comic book up your ass.  I was probably reading that
shit when you were in diapers!
Amelia

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[CTRL] FASCISM: A READER'S GUIDE


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[CTRL] STALIN'S SECRET P0GROM


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[CTRL] Toward a Real History of Anti-Fascism and Anti-Bolshevism

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Title:  Causal Nexus? Toward a Real History of Anti-Fascism and
Anti-Bolshevism(*).
Subject(s):  FASCISM; HITLER, Adolf; COMMUNISM; NATIONAL socialists
Source:  Telos, Winter99 Issue 114, p49, 18p
Author(s):  Koenen, Gerd
Abstract:  Focuses on the historical events of anti-fascism and
anti-Bolshevism. Role of the Nazis or national socialists; Adolf Hitler as
an anti-Bolshevism; End of the communism propaganda.
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CAUSAL NEXUS? TOWARD A REAL HISTORY OF ANTI-FASCISM AND ANTI-BOLSHEVISM(*)
The question of whether there was a "causal nexus" between Bolshevism in the
Soviet Union and National Socialism in Germany is far older than the
Historikerstreit. Ernst Nolte's controversial thesis implied that the
formation of the Nazis as a party (NSDAP) and a movement, and their
subsequent rise to power were hardly conceivable without the German
bourgeoisie's basic fear of Bolshevism; the Nazis' exterminatory
anti-Semitism was only a sort of response to, and the interpretive reversal
of, the looming expectation of a Sovietized Germany. Thus, Bolshevik "class
genocide" provided the historical model for Nazi "race genocide," the
annihilation of European Jews.

Nolte's thesis was only a mirror-image of the postwar mythology of communist
anti-fascism, according to which Stalinist collectivization and the Great
Terror of the 1930s were merely prophylactic precautionary measures or
simple reactions to the "deadly threat" of a rising National Socialism and
its plans in the East. Thus, the fact that the Soviet leadership put the
entire country on a war footing and pursued industrialization and
re-armament irrespective of human casualties appeared extremely prescient.
Even in the West, many people were ready to see things that way. In
particular, this attitude corresponded to the feelings of many Soviet
citizens in light of the historical 1945 victory. The fascists and the
German invasion were blamed for all their sufferings and depravations, even
for the millions meaninglessly "repressed," who disappeared, or died in the
prime of life. Revolution, civil war, collectivization, cleansing, and world
war, melted into a single epoch of blood and iron.

This does not alter the fact that such a view has nothing to do with 1930's
realities. The rise of National Socialism was in no way seen negatively by
Moscow, but rather as part of German revanchism against the Versailles
Powers -- a revanchism that had become virulent during the world economic
crisis, and on which certain hopes could be pinned. The secret relation
between the Reichswehr and the Red Army was tense, but useful. In the course
of the five-year plan, technical and economic collaboration between both
countries intensified. In February 1931, a grand delegation of German
business magnates from Krupp to Borsig, to Klockner and Siemens -- went to
the USSR. The company heads returned impressed, and pressed the German
government to secure the promised "Russian orders" with state guaranteed
credits and securities. In 1932, almost half of Russian imports, above all
technological commodities, came from Germany, exceeding imports from the US,
whose companies, in the meantime, had become more committed to Russia.

Moscow also attempted to court allies within the German-national and
national-revolutionary intelligence communities. Thus, in January 1932,
prominent figures such as Otto Hoetzsch, Klaus Mehnert, Ernst Junger, Carl
Schmitt, Adolf Grabowsky, Friedrich Lenz, and Ernst Niekisch could be
recruited for an "Association for the Study of the Planned Economy in the
USSR" (Arbplan), founded by party members Georg Lukacs, Arvid von Hamack,
Karl A. Wittfogel and Paul Massing. In August 1932, an Arbplan delegation
traveled to Soviet Russia. In a 1941 party report, Lukacs characterized the
twenty-five participants as people from the Right, "with sometimes fascist
ideas, who were, however, for various reasons, supporters of a pro-Soviet
orientation of German politics." Even if this undertaking remained a mere
episode, it sheds light on Soviet foreign policy toward Germany before 1933.

In accordance with the resolutions of the VI. Comintern Congress (1928), the
politics of the German Communist Party (KPD) were aimed primarily against
so-called "social fascism," i.e., Social Democracy, as were those of the
most signif

Re: [CTRL] Fwd: [the_octopus] terrorists may have a mole in the White House

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  But he is taking criticism for this, though not from me.  My contention was
that the "alert story" was leaked to deflect this criticism.  I understand
there are standard procedures in place, and that the president is the first
to be protected under such circumstances.

Samantha

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> On Fri, 14 Sep 2001, Samantha L. wrote:
>  >  Maybe this story was leaked to provide an excuse for Dumbya's not going
>  >straight to the WH.  The "mole in the WH" story gives grounds to deflect
> such
>  >criticism.
>
>  You know, I'm far from being a fan of the Shrub, but on this matter I'm
>  seething over the criticism being directed at him for following what has
>  been policy for almost half a century
>
>  Yes, policy peopleBush did EXACTLY WHAT HAS BEEN SET UP TO DO WHEN
>  THE NATION'S CAPITOL IS UNDER ATTACH -- and Tuesday morning it was.
>
>  There was credible reports that the White House, the Capitol, and Air
>  Force One itself were targets, and perhaps even Camp David.
>
>  Since the days when we shook nuclear sabers at the USSR, the accepted SOP
>  for that situation dictated that the President -- the Commander in Chief
>  of the U.S. Armed Forces -- would be immediately hustled aboard Air Force
>  One which would then zigzag the skies of North America, operating under
>  radar invisibility...the President could stay aloft for days if need be,
>  with inflight refueling, and would only land when the situation
>  stabilized...
>
>  Suppose he HAD headed back to DC immediately, and suppose one of those
>  hijacked planes either destroyed Air Force One inflight or crashed into
>  the White House when Bush was there and killed him?  And perhaps
>  killed a goodly number of his Cabinet?  Perhaps even the Vice
>  President...
>
>  And what if the plane that went into the Pentagon had successfully
>  crashed into the Capitol, as originally planned?
>
>  Well, doh! Suddenly we don't have a government...
>
>  Anyone who says the president -- ANY president -- should have immediately
>  returned to the White House under such circumstances is an idiot.
>
>
>
>  June
>

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  I've been hearing a lot of talk about "bombing Afghanistan back to the
Stone Age." Ronn Owens, on KGO Talk Radio today, allowed that this would mean
killing innocent people, people who had nothing to do with this atrocity, but
"we're at war, we have to accept collateral damage. What else can we do?"
Minutes later I heard some TV pundit discussing whether we "have the belly to
do what must be done."

  And I thought about the issues being raised especially hard because I am
from Afghanistan, and even though I've lived here for 35 years I've never
lost track of what's going on there. So I want to tell anyone who will listen
how it all looks from where I'm standing.

  I speak as one who hates the Taliban and Osama Bin Laden. There is no doubt
in my mind that these people were responsible for the atrocity in New York.
I agree that something must be done about those monsters.

  But the Taliban and Ben Laden are not Afghanistan.  They're not even the
government of Afghanistan.  The Taliban are a cult of ignorant psychotics who
took over Afghanistan in 1997. Bin Laden is a political criminal with a plan.
 When you think Taliban, think Nazis. When you think Bin Laden, think Hitler.
And when you think "the people of Afghanistan" think "the Jews in the
concentration camps."   It's not only that the Afghan people had nothing to
do with this atrocity. They were the first victims of the perpetrators.  They
would exult if someone would come in there, take out the Taliban and clear
out the rats nest of international thugs holed up in their country.

  Some say, why don't the Afghans rise up and overthrow the Taliban? The
answer is, they're starved, exhausted, hurt, incapacitated, suffering.  A few
years ago, the United Nations estimated that there are 500,000 disabled
orphans in Afghanistan-- a countr with no economyy, no food.  There are
millions of widows.  And the Taliban has been burying these widows alive in
mass graves.  The soil is littered with land mines, the farms were all
destroyed by the Soviets.  These are a few of the reasons why the Afghan
people have not overthrown the Taliban.

  We come now to the question of bombing Afghanistan back to the Stone Age.
Trouble is, that's been done. The Soviets took care of it already.  Make
the Afghans suffer? They're already suffering. Level their houses? Done. Turn
their schools into piles of rubble? Done.  Eradicate their hospitals?  Done.
Destroy their infrastructure?   Cut them off from medicine and health care?
Too late. Someone already did all that.

  New bombs would only stir the rubble of earlier bombs.  Would they at least
get the Taliban? Not likely. In today's Afghanistan, only the Taliban eat,
only they have the means to move around.  They'd slip away and hide.  Maybe
the bombs would get some of those disabled orphans, they don't move too
fast, they don't even have wheelchairs. But flying over Kabul and dropping
bombs wouldn't really be a strike against the criminals who did this horrific
thing. Actually it would only be making common cause with the Taliban--by
raping once again the people they've been raping all this time.

  So what else is there? What can be done, then? Let me now speak with true
fear and trembling. The only way to get Bin Laden is to go in there with
ground troops. When people speak of "having the belly to do what needs to be
done" they're thinking in terms of having the belly to kill as many as
needed.  Having the belly to overcome any moral qualms about killing innocent
people. Let's pull our heads out of the sand. What's actually
on the table is Americans dying. And not just because some Americans would
die fighting their way through Afghanistan to Bin Laden's hideout.  It's
much bigger than that folks. Because to get any troops to Afghanistan, we'd
have to go through Pakistan. Would they let us? Not likely. The conquest of
Pakistan would have to be first. Will other Muslim nations just stand by?
You see where I'm going. We're flirting with a world war between Islam and
the West.

  And guess what: that's Bin Laden's program. That's exactly what he wants.
That's why he did this.  Read his speeches and statements. It's all right
there.  He really believes Islam would beat the west. It might seem
ridiculous, but he figures if he can polarize the world into Islam and the
West, he's got a billion soldiers.  If the west wreaks a holocaust in those
lands, that's a billion people with nothing left to lose, that's even better
from Bin Laden's point of view.  He's probably wrong, in the end the west
would win, whatever that would mean, but the war would last for years and
millions would die, not just theirs but ours. Who has the belly for that?

  Bin Laden does. Anyone else?

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Bush calls up one million military reservists
The US military reserves have been mobilised by President George W.
Bush for the first time since the 1991 Gulf War, and a national
emergency has been declared.
Mr Bush authorised the Defense Department to call up to one million
reservists to active duty for up to two years.
The Pentagon said 35,500 reservists would be immediately called to
duty for homeland defense and to provide support for port operations,
medical needs, engineering and general civil support.
While officials left open the possibility of calling more reservists
to augment US forces overseas, the Pentagon must consult with the
White House if the number exceeds 50,000, said Mr Craig Duehring, a
Pentagon official in charge of reserve affairs.
The first partial mobilization of the reserves and state-controlled
National Guard since the 1991 Gulf War came as the US military, with
the blessing of the US Congress, prepared for war.
The US Senate voted 98-0 to authorize Bush to use "all necessary and
appropriate force against those nations, organizations or persons"
who carried out the suicide attacks Tuesday that destroyed the World
Trade Center in
New York and heavily damaged the Pentagon.
"We've now arrived at a point where our country itself, as well as American interests 
around the globe, have been and can be seriously damaged," Defense Secretary Donald 
Rumsfeld said.
"It's going to require, as the president said, a war, a major, long-range, broadbased 
sustained effort to see that this does not damage our way of life," he said.
In a videotaped message sent to US forces worldwide a day after the attacks, Mr 
Rumsfeld told the troops "that more, much more, will be asked of you in the weeks and 
months ahead.
"This is especially true of those who are in the field. We face powerful and terrible 
enemies, enemies we intend to vanquish so that moments of horror, like yesterday, will 
be stopped," he said.
Few details of the military preparations have been disclosed with Mr Rumsfeld 
insisting on a high degree of secrecy about US military movements and operations.
US military forces have been on heightened alert since the attack, with US fighter 
aircraft patrolling US skies and warships off both coasts.
Mr Rumsfeld said combat air patrols over major US cities have been pulled back but 
fighter aircraft are still patrolling the Washington-New York air corridor.
Fighter aircraft at 26 US bases are on "strip alert," prepared to scramble on 15 
minutes' notice, he said.
The Coast Guard is stepping up protection of the nation's ports, paying special 
attention to the security of arriving cruise ships, Rear Admiral Dennis Sirois said.
At US military installations, alert levels were lowered a notch from
"Delta," the highest alert level, to "Charlie," a senior defense
official said.
Two naval task forces are in the general area of the Middle East. A
battle group led by the aircraft carrier USS Enterprise, which was
leaving the Gulf for home when the terrorist struck, was directed to
stay in the region, defense officials said.
The United States normally has close to 30,000 troops stationed in
the Gulf, primarily aboard naval ships, but also at air bases in
Saudi Arabia and Kuwait and at a major naval base in Bahrain.
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Re: [CTRL] Taliban Waits, Vows Revenge

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> Afghanistan's Taliban said Friday it expected to be hit by a massive
>  attack by the United States and vowed that it would take revenge.
>
>  "We are ready to pay any price to defend ourselves and to use all means
>  take our revenge," a spokesman for the Islamic militia's supreme leader
>  Mullah Mohammad Omar told AFP by satellite phone from the Taliban
>  stronghold of Kandahar.

  I can't figure out if these are genuine enemies or only strawman enemies,
considering that the Taliban and Bin Laden are both creations of the CIA.
The same goes for Saddam Hussein, who by all accounts has not suffered while
his people die in droves.  His strength was a creation of our covert
operators too.  Are these genuine enemies or is this one large game of Good
Cop/Bad Cop?

  No matter how this is analyzed, a strong case can be made for the
abolishment of the CIA, and probably the entire list of cousin Alphabet
Agencies.

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On 15 Sep 01, at 1:23, Nurev Ind. wrote:

> I am deathly afraid,
> but almost certain that this will be the war which will introduce nuclear
> war fighting on a small scale.

Whatever happened to JE Carter's neutron bombs?
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[CTRL] Echelon Warned US & Israel

2001-09-14 Thread Chris Case

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Echelon Warned US & Israeli Intel Hijacked Planes Were To Be Weapons
By Ned Stafford BizReport.com 9-14-1

U.S. and Israeli intelligence agencies received warning signals at least
three months ago that Middle Eastern terrorists were planning to hijack
commercial aircraft to use as weapons to attack important symbols of
American and Israeli culture, according to a story in Germany's daily
Frankfurter Allgemeine Zeitung (FAZ).

The FAZ, quoting unnamed German intelligence sources, said that the
Echelon spy network was being used to collect information about the
terrorist threats, and that U.K. intelligence services apparently also
had advance warning. The FAZ, one of Germany's most respected dailies,
said that even as far back as six months ago western and near-east press
services were receiving information that such attacks were being
planned.

Within the American intelligence community, the warnings were taken
seriously and surveillance intensified, the FAZ said. However, there was
disagreement on how such terrorist attacks could be prevented, the
newspaper said.

Echelon is said to be a vast information collection system capable of
monitoring all the electronic communications in the world. It is thought
to be operated by the U.S., the U.K., Canada, Australia and New Zealand.
No government agency has ever confirmed or denied its existence.
However, an EU committee that investigated Echelon for more than a year
just last week reported its belief that the system does exist.

The EU committee said that Echelon sucks up electronic transmissions
"like a vacuum cleaner," using keyword search techniques to sift through
enormous amounts of data.

The FAZ, in its news story, described the system as covering the whole
world with 120 satellites. The newspaper also said Israeli intelligence
had collected information indicated that Arab terrorist groups planned
to hijack planes in Europe to use as weapons to attack targets in Tel
Aviv and other coastal cities in Israel.

Because of increasing concerns of plane hijackings, Israel has tested a
new x-ray machine at the Tel Aviv airport, the FAZ said. The machine
capable of detecting all known explosive elements, even if only in small
quantities, the newspaper said.

The FAZ said that German intelligence fears that in coming days planes
will be hijacked in Europe and the Near East, and that there is no sure
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Re: [CTRL] U.S. vs. Afghanistan? Smart Money On Afghanistan!


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William Shannon wrote:
>
> http://www.overthrow.com/lsn/news.asp?fileName=lsn20010914111743.html
>
> Despite Genocide, Britain and Russia Failed To Conquer Afghanistan
>
> The lesson of history: Afghanistan always beats its invaders9/14/01 11:17:43
> AM


Not this time i'm afraid. When they beat the other superpower, they
didn't do that well until we gave them shoulder launched missiles with
which to knock down the Soviet helicopters which were devastating them.

This time the US coalition will make damn sure that the land locked country
stays that way.

Also if you know anything at all about why America goes to war, then you
know that it's partly to introduce and test new weapons. I am deathly afraid,
but almost certain that this will be the war which will introduce nuclear
war fighting on a small scale. That is to say small localized nuclear
explosions from cannon and tanks.

I don't think they will use it in Afghanistan, but I do think they will use
it against Iraq, Syria, or Iran. These countries have armor. Perhaps the US will
have its proxies, Turkey and Israel do it.

Joshua2

>
> London Independent
> London, England -- The lesson of history: Afghanistan always beats its
> invaders
>
> By Robert Fisk
>
> 14 September 2001
>
> On the heights of the Kabul Gorge, they still find ancient belt buckles and
> corroded sword hilts. You can no longer read the insignia of the British
> regiments of the old East India Company but their bones â those of all
> 16,000
> of them â still lie somewhere amid the dark earth and scree of the most
> forbidding mountains in Afghanistan. Like the British who came later, like the
>
> Russians who were to arrive more than a century afterwards, General William
> Elphinstone's campaign was surrounded with rhetoric and high principles and
> ended in disaster. George Bush Junior and Nato, please note.
>
> Indeed, if there is one country â calling it a nation would be a misnomer
> â
> that the West should avoid militarily, it is the tribal land in which Osama
> Bin
> Laden maintains his obscure sanctuary. Just over two decades ago, I found out
> what it was like to be on an invasion army in that breathlessly beautiful,
> wild, proud plateau. Arrested by the Russian Parachute Regiment near the
> Salang
> Tunnel, I was sent with a Soviet convoy back to Kabul. We were ambushed, and
> out of the snowdrifts came the Afghans, carrying knives. An air strike and the
>
> arrival of Soviet Tadjik troops saved us. But the mighty Red Army had been
> humbled before men who could not write their own names and whose politics were
>
> so remote that a mujahid fighter would later insist to me that London was
> occupied by Russian troops.
>
> Back in 1839 we British were also worried about the Russians. General
> Elphinstone lead an East India Company army of 16,500 â along with 38,000
> followers â into Afghanistan, anxious to put an end to Dost Mohamed's
> flirtation with the Tsar, took Kandahar and entered Kabul on 30 June with the
> first foreign force to occupy the city in modern times. Dost Mohamed â the
> British Superpower of the time knew how to deal with recalcitrant natives â
> was
> dispatched to exile in India, but the Afghans were not prepared to be placed
> under British tutelage. To garrison a foreign army in Kabul was folly, as
> Elphinstone must have realised when, on 1 November, 1840, a British official,
> Alexander Burns, was hacked to pieces by a mob in the souk and his head
> impaled
> on a stake. A 300-strong British unit in the field fled for its life back to
> Kabul. And when Dost Mohamed's son turned up, leading an Afghan army of
> 30,000,
> Elphinstone was doomed.
>
> He bartered his freedom in return for a safe passage back to the British fort
> in Jalalabad, close to the Indian frontier. It was one of the coldest winters
> on record and with few supplies, virtually no food and false promises of
> safety, he led his army â their columns 10 miles in length â out into the
> frozen desolation of the Kabul Gorge. The camp followers were left by the
> wayside; contemporary records describe Indian women attached to the British
> army's colonial force, stripped naked, starving, raped and knifed by Afghan
> tribesmen, their corpses left in the snow. Elphinstone had long since given up
>
> trying to protect them. Yet each new foray down the chasm of the Kabul Gorge
> â
> I was to see the remains of a Russian convoy littered across the same track
> almost 140 years later â led to further ambushes and massacres.
>
> Elphinstone secured the safety of himself, a few officers and a party of
> English ladies. The last British guardsmen were cut down on the heights,
> surrounded by thousands of Afghans, firing to the last round, the company
> commander dying with the Union flag wrapped around his waist. Days later, the
> last survivor of the massacres, galloping his exhausted horse Jalalabad was
> attacked by two Afghan cavalry. Hacking them a

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Blowback chronicles
Giles Foden on the murky deals that fuelled international terrorism
Special report: Afghanistan
Special report: Terrorism in the US
Giles Foden
Saturday September 15, 2001
The Guardian
During the Soviet occupation of Afghanistan, US officials passed
billions in funding and training to the mojahedin. The CIA, in
particular while under the direction of William Casey - head of the
agency during the Reagan administration - was the main manager of
these operations. With the Russian withdrawal in 1989, the CIA
"celebrated its victory with champagne". So says Unholy Wars:
Afghanistan, America and International Terrorism (Pluto Press,
£12.99), the definitive account by ABC journalist John Cooley.
The celebrations, under the presidency of George Bush senior (himself
a former CIA director), were premature. The sophisticated methods
taught to the mojahedin, and the thousands of tonnes of arms supplied
to them by the US - and Britain - are now tormenting the west in the
phenomenon known as "blowback", whereby a policy strategy rebounds on
its own devisers. The sins of the father, it might well be said, are
being heaped on the head of
the son.
Self-laceration may seem the last thing the US needs right now. But the lesson of 
these books is th
at only by facing up to its dark past will a beleaguered country be able to create a 
future in whic
h terrorist attacks on
this scale can be avoided. The whole issue of American "creation" of bin Laden in the 
Frankenstein'
s laboratory of Afghanistan during the 1980s is generally avoided by government 
sources. Cooley poi
nts out that while the
State Department released a fact sheet on bin Laden in 1997 (the year prior to the 
bombing of the E
ast African embassies), the document "omits the background facts which help to explain 
how early an
d close were his connec
tions in the United States - making it easier for the Reagan-Casey jihad   team to 
enlist his talen
ts and his fortune".
The British military establishment colluded with the US in supporting the mojahedin, 
with SAS and G
reen Berets going into Afghanistan itself. As ex-SAS soldier Tom Carew explains in his 
Andy McNab-l
ike Jihad: The Secret W
ar in Afghanistan (Mainstream, £7.99), they were inevitably drawn into actual combat. 
"We came to a
 small hamlet and were stopped by a couple of mojahedin. They asked us, surprisingly 
politely, whet
her we would mind helpi
ng them, as their commander had decided he was going to make some kind of stand 
against the Russian
s."
As Cooley points out, in this country, "it was only Prime Minister Margaret Thatcher's 
British gove
rnment which supported the jihad with full enthusiasm". Hindered by Congressional 
interference, the
 CIA covertly sought Mr
s Thatcher's help - in one incident, during the Falklands war, they curried favour by 
handing over
an illegal supply of Stinger missiles to British officials in a Washington car park.
Much of the help given to the mojahedin was coordinated by an MI6 field officer in 
Islamabad. It wa
s surely only a matter of time before some of this aid would find its way to the likes 
of bin Laden
. Like the covert Briti
sh and American teams, many of which received dollar-for-dollar funding from the Saudi 
royal family
, he arrived in Afghanistan directly after the Soviet invasion in 1979. Everyone was 
getting along
famously, according to
Cooley. "Delighted by his impeccable Saudi credentials, the CIA gave Osama free rein 
in Afghanistan
, as did Pakistan's intelligence generals."
In Ken Connor's Ghost Force: The Secret History of the SAS (Orion, £7.99), it is 
claimed that the e
lite regiment actually trained Afghan fighters in remote locations in Scotland. In 
Afghanistan itse
lf,   the services of K
eenie-Meenie Services were used. This was an offshoot of British security firm Control 
Risks, mainl
y comprising ex-SAS members and former members of Rhodesian and South African special 
forces. It to
ok its name from the Sw
ahili word for the movement of a snake through grass. KMS later played a role in the 
Oliver North,
Iran-Contra affair of 1987.
On American soil, the CIA used Muslim charities and mosque communities as fronts for 
recruitment of
 fighters in their secret war against the USSR in the Hindu Kush. As Cooley writes in  
Unholy Wars
: "One was [in] New Yor
k's Arab district, in Brooklyn along Atlantic Avenue... Another was a private rifle 
club in an affl
uent community of Connecticut."
Bin Laden and a man named Mustafa Chalaby, who ran a jihad refugee centre in Brooklyn, 
were both pr
otégés of Abdullah Azzam. A formative influence on bin Laden, the charismatic Azzam 
was killed in a
 car-bomb in 1987: acco
rding to some rumours he was killed by the CIA. Others claim he was himself a CIA 
agent.
Cooley says that those directly recruited by the US went to Camp Peary - "the Farm", 
as the CIA's s
py training centre in Vir

Re: [CTRL] GW Reckless and Irresponsible or Worse

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> > If something - ANYTHING - happens at
>  > a house of worship today, this would further inflame the outrage of the
>  > American people, and whatever roadblocks there are now for having
citizens
> be
>  > willing to give up their rights, their social security funds, and their
> young
>  > adult children to this cause would very likely melt away.
>  >
>  > Samantha
>
>  Sounds like you've heard this song before.
>
>  J2

  As I slowly gain an understanding of major historical events, it does seem
that this tune is often repeated.  The composers are brilliant in a 'Needing
Thorazine & Straightjackets' kind of way.

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Re: [CTRL] GW Reckless and Irresponsible or Worse

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> The WTC towers fell from the top down -- pancaked as they were designed
>  to do under such conditions; they did not topple from the bottom up...

  The first tower that fell looked like it fell the way you describe, but the
second tower didn't.   The way the second tower fell looked exactly like what
I've seen when building are intentionally demolished with explosives.  It
looked  clean, perfect and well-planned to me.

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Re: [CTRL] Russian Intel Warns CIA - Next Target A US Nuclear Facility

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writes:

> It is far more likely that it was headed for Shippensburg, PA which does
have
>  a nuclear facility.  It could have taken out the entire northeast section
of
>  the country.   Since I live in Pennsylvania, I realize just how much we owe
>  the brave people who decided to take action to keep this from happening.
>  Prudy

  Regardless of how brave these people were, or what they tried to
accomplish, it does not mean US Fighters didn't also shoot them down.  And
even if by doing this the Fighters were responsible for saving the entire NE
part of the country, the military ought to have the honor and the balls to
stand up and admit what they allegedly did and face the criticism and the
unbelievable lawsuits from the survivors' families.  I suppose you already
know that fuselage from that plane has been found as far as 8 miles from the
crash site.

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[CTRL] Penknife vs Bomb


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}}}>Begin
The penknife and the bomb
Brute force is not the way to defeat the terrorist threat
Special report: terrorism in the US
Leader
Saturday September 15, 2001
The Guardian
In one corner stands a man with a penknife. In the opposing corner, a
man with an enormous bomb. The man with the knife, like this week's
plane hijackers, knows that in the coming fight, he may wound his
opponent but he himself will certainly perish.
The man with the bomb also knows that his superior weaponry, if used,
will obliterate his adversary. But both know, if they use their heads
rather than their weapons, that this cannot be the end of the matter.
In the place of the vanquished knifeman will rise two, three ... a
hundred more just like him, just as committed, ever more convinced
that they are right, just as ready to die.
The United States, which is expected in the coming days to launch a
massive military campaign, some call it a war, against terrorism,
should consider this certain consequence before embarking on such
action. And there are
 many other likely, even more perilous ramifications that demand the attention of 
wise, responsible leadership.
The events of last Tuesday rendered unto the American people a true glimpse of hell. 
It was an abomination the likes of which most of us, thankfully, have never witnessed. 
This mass murder of American civilians has sparke
d an international crisis of truly global proportions. It will be prolonged and 
dangerous. Given the undefined goal set by President George Bush and allies such as 
Tony Blair - the rooting out and eradication of "evil" -
it has no obvious limits and no clear end-point. It could dwarf this week's bloodshed.
As we have said, the American people (and non-American victims) deserve every sympathy 
at this traumatic moment. The US government deserves our support, both moral and 
practical. It is entitled to take all reasonable meas
ures to find and punish the culprits. But before Mr Bush sends his enormous bombs to 
obliterate the knifeman, before he risks an uncontrollable, escalating conflagration 
involving both nations that harbour his foes and al
lies who trust in his command, he must stop and think. Congress has voted him an 
extraordinary $40bn in ready cash. Double that and still the bottom-line question 
arises: what, in pragmatic not symbolic terms, is the US r
eally trying to achieve?
This is not an argument for inaction. Far from it. But America's dilemma, once the 
verbiage about "democracy's war" and "freedom's brightest beacon" is cut away, is that 
its military options, to the extent that they are c
urrently understood, are largely unsuited to the task in hand. Indeed, much of what 
appears to be under contemplation will just make matters worse.
For consider: any major air and/or ground attack mounted against Afghanistan in 
pursuit of prime suspect Osama bin Laden will certainly produce civilian casualties. 
It may not produce Bin Laden (who may not even be there)
. Such an attack would inflame Muslim opinion and hand the terrorists a second 
triumph: following Manhattan, here would be the "holy war" they have long sought to 
provoke. If the attacks were repeated, and spread, Pakista
n's nuclear-armed military regime, destabilised and compromised in the eyes of its own 
people, could fall to its own Islamic fundamentalists.
The implications, given Pakistan's ongoing proxy war with India over Kashmir, hardly 
need to be spelled out. And yet the possibility, actively urged by some in Washington, 
that the US may pursue its enemies further afield
, into Iraq for example, or into Lebanon, home to the Iranian-sponsored Hizbullah, is 
even more explosive. At this point, the "war on terrorism" would be fused and confused 
with the whole, bitter Arab-Israeli conflict and
 the Gulf war's unfinished business. Whatever they say now, Russia and China would 
certainly part company with the US; likewise Egypt, Jordan, maybe Saudi Arabia, and 
some European countries.
What price Nato and EU solidarity if the US crosses the line in the Middle East? And 
what price oil? In such a scenario, a global economic crash would surely follow. 
Meanwhile, the man with the knife, inspired by an even
fiercer, righteous fury, will wait his chance.
It does not have to be like this. There is another way. It is less dramatic, less 
visceral, more statesmanlike. It requires of Mr Bush a far greater courage than an 
order to fire. It involves hard-nosed diplomatic coercio
n and painstaking investigation; it requires international
interdiction of terrorist funds; it means the collective, cast-iron
isolation and economic punishment of any state sustaining the
suspects and their associates; it means a longer-term reassessment of
US priorities and policies in central Asia and the Middle East. And
it means a focused, law-based approach requiring the Taliban (if they
have him) to hand over Bin Laden

Re: [CTRL] Washington Post: Bush approval at 91 perc

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  I guess then that this is "Wag the Dog" in spades.  But what's wrong with
spending a little human life when it increases your poll numbers so
drastically?  It boggles my mind all the major things they accomplished with
this one alleged self-attack.  And 90% of Americans can't see through it
which means the rest of us are going to have hemorrhoids for a long time to
come.

Samantha

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> Nearly nine in 10 Americans â 86 percent â said they approved of the job
>  that Bush was doing as president, up 31 points from a Post-ABC News poll
>  conducted last weekend. An even larger proportion â 91 percent â
>  specifically said the president was doing a good job directing the nation's
>  response to the murderous assaults on the Pentagon and World Trade Center.
>

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[CTRL] The two become one in destruction: God is just like me!

2001-09-14 Thread Edward Britton


[What is worse; to commit an evil or allow an evil? Perhaps the two are
the same. Perhaps in the darkest pits of hell we may see the greatest
joys of heaven and vise versa. This universe and everything in it is
God's creation. God is omniscient. Thus, this, like all good, and like
all evil, is God's creation. What God wants, God gets. I love God. He's
just like me: an animal every bit as capable of brutality and horror as
he is of compassion. God is a human being. God is ALL!]
~~~
BEDEVILING 
Did Satan rear his ugly face?
The face of Satan seems to eerily appear in the smoke billowing from
the blasted World Trade Center buildings in New York. At least, that's
what many horrified people around the country have seen in this
Associated Press photo below. The Associated Press was contacted and said
the photo has not been touched up in any way. 

The higher-contrast version (right) of the photo seems to bring into
focus the face of the Evil One, complete with beard and horns and
malignant expression, symbolizing to many the hideous nature of the deed
that wreaked horror and terror upon an unsuspecting city. What do you see
in the photo? 

Edward   ><+>

"What a strange world is this, where the price for all life is
death. Where a being must die that I may live. Where the strong are
nourished by the weak, and where the sinner is saved by the flesh of the
pure. Surely the joys of heaven are powered by the pains of
hell."

Re: [CTRL] Ted Olson On FoxNews

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> Did he know this was imminent?
>  Did he insist she was on THAT flight??
>
>  Makes one wonder!
>
>  So now this cold prick is our Solicitor General, a cold NWO general who
> sends
>  his wife off to slaughter in order to advance his cause.

  I wondered exactly the same thing, Bill.  The cause is advanced, he'll get
a wad of money from somewhere over this, and he gets to play the grieving
widower.

  If this is true, I must say I have to acknowledge a twisted genius in their
tactics.   They kill so many birds with one stone  It's all so very efficient
in a perverse psychotic kind of way.  I may start believing in evil reptilian
aliens soon, because if what I believe about these and other events is true,
these aren't human beings and that leaves me with no idea of what they
actually are.

Samantha

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[CTRL] Action against bin Laden 'will start holy war'

2001-09-14 Thread flw


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THE TELEGRAPH
Action against bin Laden 'will start holy war'
(Filed: 15/09/2001)

Muslims will have a duty to fight if America attacks the Taliban, Alex Spillius is 
told in Peshawar

AS Maulawi Gul Rahman prepared for lunchtime prayers yesterday, he donned his ragged 
scholar's robe, stroked
his tangled beard and pondered the question of what the affects of American military 
retaliation against Osama
bin Laden would be.

The maulawi, a senior priest, who considers himself a moderate by the region's 
standards, said: "Muslims
around the world, from north, south, east and west, would wage war against the United 
States. It would be holy
war, our duty."

They were not empty words. Anyone in any doubt that reprisals against the Saudi exile 
and his Taliban hosts
would do anything other than bolster anti-Western Islamic militancy need spend no more 
than a few minutes in
the sinuous bazaars and dusty religious schools of Peshawar.

To many here, bin Laden is an icon. He is seen as a pious man defending Islam against 
combined Israeli and
American aggression. As a just and holy warrior he could not have killed so many 
innocent people in New York
and Washington.

The attack is blamed on a conspiracy to defame Islam or vague notions of natural 
justice for previous American
offences.

The name Osama has become a popular choice for parents wishing to bestow Islamic 
virtues upon the newly-born,
as was Saddam in the wake of the Gulf War. A man selling posters bearing bin Laden's 
image on a pavement said
he had sold all his stock since Tuesday. "It's my number one seller," he said.

The capital of Pakistan's North West Frontier Province is the gateway to the 
formidable Khyber Pass leading to
Afghanistan. The majority of Peshawar's population is drawn from the same Pashtun 
tribe that dominates
southern Afghanistan and makes up the Taliban leadership.

A few miles outside Peshawar there are thriving markets in guns and contraband 
household goods.

Foreigners must negotiate the Khyber Pass in the company of a Pakistani soldier and 
not stray from the main
road into the lawless hills that were the graveyard of thousands of Britons during 
three Afghan colonial
adventures.

The government of Pakistan, like the Moghul emperors before them, knows better than to 
interfere with the
ferociously-proud Pashtuns. The tradition of melmastia, or hospitality, allied to 
Islamic comradeship, lies
behind their passionate approval of the Taliban's refusal to consider handing over bin 
Laden.

"To sacrifice him would bring us shame, would go against all our principles," said Gul 
Yusuf, 25, a student at
Maulawi Rahman's White Mosque. "Osama is our guest and in our history we have never 
given up a guest."

Temur Shah, one of the million or so Afghan refugees who have settled in Pakistan 
since the 1979 Soviet
invasion and ensuing conflicts, said that if the Americans produced evidence of bin 
Laden's guilt, then he
should be tried by a Pashtun jirga, or elders' council, which adjudicate everything 
from petty theft to murder
cases.

"But they have no evidence, and if they attack it will be an act of terrorism, and 
once again Afghans will
suffer," he said to the fervent approval of a crowd outside the mud and brick Kamwal 
mosque at an Afghan
refugee camp.

They are keen to remind a Western journalist that American cruise missiles aimed at 
bin Laden's hideouts
across the border in August 1998, in revenge for the bombings of two US embassies in 
Africa, missed their
target and killed innocent citizens.

"We think what happened in New York is wrong, but if the Americans attack we will 
defeat them like we defeated
the Russians," said Mohammed Al Jamal who was only 14 when the Soviet invasion ended 
in 1989, unable to break
down the Islamic guerrillas.

That resistance was backed by a Cold War America keen to thwart Soviet expansion. It 
is widely held that among
their military trainees in camps in Pakistan was a young Osama bin Laden.

"He is a man of America, they pampered him and now he is against them but he is their 
creation, their
problem," said Maulawi Israr, the camp's religious leader.

"America supported us against Russia and now they have abandoned us. Afghanistan has 
always been a game to the
big countries, including you British. Everybody is drawn by the beauty of our country, 
and then they bomb it."

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[CTRL] Fwd: [GATA] The Economist cites GATA's gold price suppression claims






Gold Fingered?
Gold has lost its glitter. Is there a conspiracy afoot?

The Economist
September 13, 2001

Long considered the ultimate hard asset, gold normally
shines at times of financial turmoil. This week, if
any, should therefore have been gold's time to take up
its traditional role as asset of last resort. But its
performance was less than glittering (see chart).

Could it be that its days as a safe haven are over? Or
is there, as some believe, a conspiracy to keep it
cheap?

Despite dire talk of recession and retaliation, gold
rose by only 6 percent on September 11, and it then
lost nearly half that gain the following day. Bid-ask
spreads widened to more than 10 times their normal
size, underscoring the lack of confidence in the metal.
Philip Klapwijk of GFMS, a precious-metals consultancy
in London, thinks that the gold price would be well
above $300 if the market had responded to turmoil the
way it did ten years ago.

Some of the lack of interest can be put down to a
shortage of liquidity as Comex, the New York futures
exchange that is near the World Trade Centre, closed
early on the morning of September 11.

But even when the Bank of England went ahead with its
20-tonne gold auction on September 12, prices were
barely higher than in previous weeks. The gold price
may yet soar. But, given the decline in equity markets
provoked by the grim outlook for rich economies, gold
has not provided the shelter that its fans expected of
it.

Most gold experts see nothing more sinister in the low
gold price than weak demand. In the past 10 years, gold
has shown precious little response to macroeconomic or
political news of any kind. It has been dependent
mostly on consumer and industrial needs.

Gold-conspiracy theorists, however, will have none of
this. They have been claiming for a while that rich-
country governments are keeping the gold price below
$300 an ounce by lending masses of gold secretly to big
banks. Some even argue that this gold-price "strategy"
is based on an academic paper published in 1988 by no
less a person than former American Treasury secretary,
Larry Summers.

Giacomo Panizzutti, head of foreign exchange and gold
at the Bank for International Settlements (BIS),
estimates that central banks worldwide have lent no
more than 4,700 tonnes of gold to the market.

The figure, published in The Alchemist, the London
Bullion Market Association's quarterly, is about one-
third of the amount estimated by GATA (the Gold Anti-
Trust Action Committee) based in Dallas, Texas. GATA
says it has uncovered evidence that the American
government, assisted by others, has somehow "lent"
thousands of tonnes to speculators and bullion banks,
notably Citibank and J.P. Morgan Chase, to depress the
gold price.

GATA's website supports a court case filed in Boston by
Reginald Howe, a gold consultant, against Alan
Greenspan, chairman of the U.S. Federal Reserve, Mr.
Summers, the BIS, and several big banks. Mr. Howe
accuses them of conspiring to fix the gold price. Few
of the great and good appear to be taking the
accusations seriously, hoping perhaps that the case
will be thrown out at a hearing next month.

For the record, Mr. Summers' 1988 paper argued that if
the nominal gold price can be "pegged by the
authorities," other asset prices will rise. GATA argues
that this is precisely what Mr. Summers did while in
office under President Clinton, buoying American asset
prices at the expense of poor gold-producing countries.

Gold bugs are smarting because, this week's blip
notwithstanding, the gold price continues its slow
decline -- which can easily be explained without a
conspiracy theory. Mining has become more efficient;
most governments want to reduce gold as part of their
reserves; and, short of reviving the practice of
burying princes complete with their gold hoards, the
stock of gold does not diminish.

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Re: [CTRL] Kris's Stew

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On Fri, 14 Sep 2001, Dale Stonehouse wrote:
>known as "One-Eye"...>>
>U, that would actually be "No-Eyes." If you remember, she was blind
>but could "see" much better than Mary Summer Rain.

I stand corrected; it's been a decade since I last read the books, so I
forgot No-Eyes name...

>Then again, with
>Summer Rain's crippling dogmatic beliefs, any blind person could
>probably see better. I actually enjoyed her books but eventually grew
>tired of the accounts of her personal life. It got boring, in other
>words.

Agreed.  The earlier books are better, because they are more about Summer
Rain's and No-Eyes relationship and No-Eyes prophecies; the later books
got too Shirly McClaine-ish with more emphasis put on Summer Rain's
personal life, and without the sex and gossip of McClaine's style, Summer
Rain is even more boring than McClaine...

But No-Eyes predictions are spot on!  :-)

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[CTRL] Russia warns of unwinnable conflict

2001-09-14 Thread flw


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THE TELEGRAPH
http://portal.telegraph.co.uk/news/main.jhtml?xml=/news/2001/09/15/wbin215.xml

Russia warns of unwinnable conflict
By Carey Schofield
(Filed: 15/09/2001)

WHEN the Soviet Union invaded Afghanistan in Christmas 1979, its army
questioned the wisdom of the move. The politicians foresaw no great difficulty.

By the end of December, an entire airborne regiment was installed at Bagram,
north of the capital Kabul, with GRU military intelligence and KGB specialists,
many in civilian clothes, swarming all over the country.

The 80,000 Soviet troops who poured across the border from Uzbekistan
and Turkmenistan in the first few days after the takeover believed that the
operation would be over in weeks.

But the war lasted 10 years and cost the Soviet Union the lives of 14,000
soldiers. In that time the Soviet-backed Kabul government was never able
to subdue more than one fifth of the country.

The limited success the army enjoyed owed more to exploiting Afghan
internecine rivalries than to the exercise of military power. The army's
greatest asset was the inability of the mujahideen to put aside personal
differences for the common good.

The war in Afghanistan was punctuated by a rolling series of local ceasefires, 
brokered by Russian officers
who commanded the respect of warlords.

These deals were fragile and they were perilous: an officer who drove into
the mountains to meet a rebel chieftain was more likely to end up dead than
wearing the Gold Star of the Hero of the Soviet Union.

But this was the only way to secure any agreement in a country where the
stab in the back is a way of life. Russian commanders knew that the
mujahideen used these ceasefires to regroup and re-arm.

But, unlike the old men in Moscow, they realised early on that war in
Afghanistan was unwinnable and that they should simply aim to get their
own men back home in one piece.

Russian officers commented at the time that the war they found themselves
fighting reminded them more of Tolstoy stories of 19th century campaigns
in the Caucasus than of anything they had learnt at military college.

The Afghan rebels' greatest assets were their suicidal bravery and their
endurance. "Their assessment of the cost of an operation, in time,
manpower and blood was beyond our comprehension," a Russian officer
said after the war.

"There is an old Pashtun saying to the effect that an Afghan might wait
100 years for vengeance and curse himself for his impatience."

When eventually the Soviet army had to withdraw from Afghanistan the
parallels with the experience of the British empire, in its Afghan wars,
were unmissable. Again a superpower had been humiliated by bands of
supposedly primitive tribesmen.

Experienced Russians caution the United States against any attempt to
subdue Afghanistan.

A battle-scarred Spetsnaz colonel told The Telegraph yesterday that
despite current widespread sympathy for the US, an invasion would
unleash unprecedented ferocity.

He said: "There is no doubt that the military could do the job. But would
the politicians be prepared to allow them to do it?

"At the moment global sympathy is with New Yorkers. But this would
change as soon as the Americans start killing Afghan women and children.

"If the Army then back off, the terrorists will have won. If the US
continues its operation it will spawn an entirely new wave of fundamentalist
terrorism that will threaten us all."

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Re: [CTRL] Are We Going To Lose Our Nation?


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William Shannon wrote:
>
> http://www.mediamonitors.net/index.html
>
> Are we going to lose our nation?
>
> by Sherri Muzher
>
> With the recent horrific tragedies in Washington, D.C., Pennsylvania, and New
> York, it seems that while our nation has understandably stopped, the media
> circuit continues to issue misinformation about the Middle East. Information
> that is leading to the inflamed passions of fellow Americans and a
> glorification of an Israeli system that violates human rights to allegedly
> maintain its security.
>
> Clearly, the pictures of a small minority of Palestinians celebrating the
> tragic deaths of the victims was abhorrent. It is a very small minority of
> Palestinians. 4,000 of an estimated more than three million Palestinians. Have
> some of them lost them their humanity due to unconditional US support for
> Israel? Have they lost their humanity because as one Palestinian recently
> stated, "every bullet, missile, and weapon used says Made in the USA?" It's
> possible.

I think she thinks the pictures are real. Better straighten her out Billy.
It's hard to keep track of all their bullshit and keep it compatible.
4,000 happy Palestinians is a small minority. It's smaller than the US dead.
But let's play real. The 4,000 are just the ones WHO GOT ON CAMERA. No one
has an idea of how many were dancing where there were no cameras.

In a poll taken in 2000, over 70% of Palestinians were FOR suicide operations
against the US. This was even before the intifada I believe.

> Still, Palestinian officials and legislators have come forward to
> extended condolences to the American people on behalf of the Palestinian
> people. As Palestinian spokeswoman Hanan Ashrawi noted, we are suffering and
> we sympathize with others who are suffering.

That's fucking beautiful man.

> Palestinian Jerusalemites held a
> candle light vigil for the victims. There was no footage of this in our media.
> Talk to Palestinians and Palestinian-Americans. They are outraged and
> devastated. And the backlash against them and other Arab-Americans has already
> begun, even though the perpetrators are not yet known.

Unless they are active sympathizers or part of the operation, Pal Americans,
and American Arabs are US citizens and MUST be honored as such and protected
by the law. Including the hate crime laws. You don't have to like then or any
other minority, but you can't harm them.

> With regard to Israel, perhaps the only ones to gain from this tragedy, they
> are now seizing Palestinian cities and sending in bulldozers. Many
> Palestinians have been shot, and Israeli Knesset members have urged Ariel
> Sharon to go forward. "The world will understand," said Zvi Hendel, one of the
> advocates. And as one Israeli military official noted today, "we are operating
> in the Jenin area and nobody's complaining." When asked by the New York Times
> as to what the latest tragedy means for relations between the United States
> and Israel, Former Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu gloated that, "It's very
> good.." Then he edited himself: "Well, not very good, but it will generate
> immediate sympathy."

And it already has. Now smug liberals and lefties in this country understand
what it means to be civilian targets of true believer terrorists. And when
these guys do it again, it will be harder to prevent racist reprisals. At
some point, even the dumbest Jihadist will get the message that these terror
tactics are not getting them what they want and is making ALL their lives worse.

>
> Israel has a history of torturing Palestinians, and most recently Palestinian
> youth â according to Israel's own B'tselem. Despite a ban on torture by
> Israel's High Court of Justice in 1999, the torture has never stopped. Enough
> loopholes were given to Israeli interrogators. According to one article,
> nearly 80% of Palestinians who have been tortured were never prosecuted for
> crimes. Israel says it is necessary as they have produced confessions. Who
> isn't going to confess to a crime when scalding hot water is poured over their
> bodies, they are deprived of sleep, are told that their mothers and sisters
> are going to be raped, or are placed in contorted positions for days?

Yup. Terrorism is rough business.

> Israel's
> own penal code Section 277 even prohibits the use of torture to extract
> confessions. They signed the UN Convention Against Torture in 1991, which
> prohibits the same. What will our country become should it adopt such
> measures?
>
> The David Ben-Gurion Airport was highlighted and lauded in one media report.
> The strict security measures, unfortunately, are only administered to those of
> Arab descent or supporters of known Palestinian human rights. Arabs are often
> separated and subjected to strip searches. Jews are not. One American
> grandmother, who accommodated a delegation of American Christians and
> Palestinians, was separated and told to take off her removable cast. There is
> noth

Re: [CTRL] Report: Police Storm Jetliner in New York

2001-09-14 Thread lassey


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I am afraid it is already looking like all noise and that's about it,
from us.
THEY LET THE RATS IN N.Y. GO Expired passports/visas,
carrying someone else's identification, resisting questioning, and THEY
LET THEM GO

And in some northern state here, the Muslims were dancing!! Here
in OUR country!!!

They should all be gathered up and shipped back! Drop them
over Bagdad!!
I am getting a sinking feeling. Nothing much will be done. The 'strong
words' will be all smoke- and the terrorists KNOW IT.






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>
> I find this very, very upsetting.  There are still operatives
> inside this country attempting to complete their mission!  I think
> this is how they get on the desired flight.  Check into another
> flight and when it lands, they are already inside security and have
> access to the truly targeted flight.
>
> Please keep in mind that these are suicide bombers and are not
> interested in leaving.  So what if they had not been detected and
> the flight took off with them aboard?  Was it time for the West
> Coast attack?  And are there others?  And they must be really
> trained with knives.
>
> Now I have read that they knew which airports had lax security.
> Must have tested.  But I cannot board a plane in Huntsville,
> Nashville. Birmingham or Atlanta without being given a hard time
> about everything from keys to buttons to metal hairbrush.  Maybe I
> should develop an accent (Arabic) and wear a turban and have those
> Charlie Manson eyes that seem to lull security officers into a
> coma!  What is wrong with these people!
>
> Well, a weapon can be made from melting the bristles of a
> toothbrush into a blade.  A thick glass bottle of perfume can be
> broken crating a glass shard possibly superior to a boxcutter.  If
> these things occur to me while home baking my brownies, I am
> relatively certain they would to the terrorists, too.  And the only
> flights I have ever been on with a Sky Marshall, and I can only
> remember two on which I was aware of this, he was dressed in
> regular civilian clothing and the idea was that no one would know
> who he was.  It is a thought while things are so uncertain.
> ~Amelia~
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[CTRL] Prediction

2001-09-14 Thread flw


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Hello List:

A few weeks ago I predicted that our stupid Middle East
policy would soon cause terrible suffering in the US.
Sadly and unfortunately this tragic prediction turned out
to be too true.

Now it looks certain the the folly will continue.

We will soon launch a bombing run on the already war ruined Afganistan
and its dusty valleys littered with shot down, burnt out Russian choppers
and tanks.

Must get the Imperial Forces in action to satisfy the instant
gratification bloodlust...so our flag waving pols can get back
to parceling out the huge $$ 40 BBBillion goody bag to their
favorite corporate contributors and finish their Bill of Rights
destroying "anti terrorism" legislation.

Got to keep the clueless citizens happy...show them we mean
business, after all baseball and football games are cancelled
this weekend and the people are really pissed off.

So we will do some useless bombingbut a LOT of useless bombing -
tons and tons of useless bombing, not like Klinton's measly few cruise
missiles shot at a sleeping janitor in the Sudan pharmaceutical factory.

Already Bush's "coalition" is falling apart. The Israelis refuse to meet
with Arafat, even though Georgie asked them to for the sake of the
new budding "coalition", and the other corrupt Arab states are afraid
to show too much cooperation with the US since their masses consider
Israel the world's leading terrorist, not Ben Ladin. China just signed a big
multi million business / aid deal with Afganistan, Russia refuses to let the US
use it bases on the Afgan border / France has warned the US not to
overreact, The Pakistani Pathans are already beating the civil war
drum and warning the Paki elite not to play ball with The Great
Satan, etc.

Sooner or later we might wake up and realize the problem ain't really
Ben Ladin - its America's stupid Middle East policies.

The solution: No more biillions in aid to Israel, or Egypt. Sell the Arabs
and the Israeli's whatever weapons they want (as long as they have the
cash) and let them kill each other off as much as they please. Whoever
is the winner can sell us the oil.

But of course that will never happen. Instead Dopey George will probably
send a few hundred thousand soldiers into the killing fields of Afganistan.
This is what Ben Ladin wants all along. The Muhardin are tired of killing
each other and would love to have some new invader to kill. This time
it would be even more fun for them since the Yanks will have their one
true ally in Imperialism - the Brits - and the Afgans haven't had a chance
to kill British soldiers since Rudyard Kiplings day.
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Re: [CTRL] Ted Olson On FoxNews

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On Fri, 14 Sep 2001, William Shannon wrote:
>Is THAT how good conservatives grieve?
>Is THAT how they mourn for their "loved" one?

People grieve in different ways, Bill...just because someone doesn't
display as much emotion as you think they should, doesn't mean that they
don't feel deeply about it

I've had a lot of tragedy in my own life, and usually respond the same
way in public...you'd call me cold and dispassionate, too.  That doesn't
mean I don't have a crying fit when alone...it just means I don't let
people see how I am feeling...

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[CTRL] Winnipeg Free Press Story

2001-09-14 Thread Dale Stonehouse


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Your friend Dale Stonehouse thought you should read this Winnipeg Free Press story:

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Attacks fail to shake global views of country
http://www.winnipegfreepress.com/273100615367052.bsp

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Re: [CTRL] [PalestineDiary] YIIIIIII!!!!!!!! (fwd)


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I think they both should move to Afghanistan, where the Taliban supports
their views...

Then hopefully they will be amongst the first victims when we start
carpet-bombing the place


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[CTRL] Fwd: [narconews] Editorial by Barry Crimmins on Narco News






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Dear Colleagues,

This morning, somewhere in a country called América, having been bounced
from airplane flights twice now this week trying to get to New York, I
received a draft of the following essay by Barry Crimmins.

It is the first response to the week's tragedy that truly speaks for me.

Those of us who closely follow the "drug war" know that governments and
media lie, they manipulate, they hide other agendas, they prey upon
legitimate emotions and principles, distort immediate history and, by
comission or omission, attempt to railroad We The People into not thinking
for ourselves.

This week, a tragedy struck U.S. soil, New York soil. Being an American and
being a New Yorker means questioning authority. In the coming days Narco
News will over comprehensive analysis of recent events and take a hard look
where they may take us as a hemisphere. Meanwhile, Barry Crimmins speaks for
me. He gives voice to my troubles, and maybe to yours.

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Re: [CTRL] Ted Olson On FoxNews

2001-09-14 Thread klewis

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On 14 Sep 2001 at 21:41, Linda Minor wrote:

> -Caveat Lector-
>
> If you look at the earlier reports of Barbara Olson's cell phone
calls to
> Ted, it calls the calls "clandestine," but in the same breath says
she kept
> asking him what she should tell the hijacker.
>
>

Nope  - she asked what she should tell the pilot, who had been
herded to the back of the plane with the passengers.
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No longer are you going to have five white guys who live in
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having a stranglehold on what Americans see on the network news.
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[CTRL] Fwd: Mary Summer Rain's Biography


Though I would pass this on - the story of Phoenix shows face of Indian
with feathered head.

My grandson is three years old - he was sitting with me the other day
and suddenly looked up and said "you know I was a little girl once"  and
I said nothing and then he said it again.

Prior to that the day before, I was looking at his hair as he watched
cartoons and thinking he hair gets blonder and blonder and
blonder.suddenly he turned around and said yes, my hair does get
blonder, and blonder and blonder.

So much for - wonder what he had eaten that daybut kids are funny
and when small you become extremely attached to them they do read your
mind.

Now this Mary Summer Rain this story of what is to happen I think I want
no more of that stuffabout this third eye - which once awakened will
keep you awake at night with vivid colored dreams sometines showing what
will be - from whaat I have heard.

Peyote and mescaline - ancient kings used drugs to see the future, but
often the seers would attempt to divine their own dreams.

Right out of habakkuk - write the vision upon the tablet and it will
come true.

Like stories and books writiten before the facts - self fulfilling
prophecies, and all that stuf.

That pictue of those kids in front of the building with the Red Star -
while it burns - was it wishful thinking and the fire birds hit?

So much for psychological warfare I guess under control of a mentor with
psychotropic hypnotic drugs.

So Back to the Future?

Thank you June - this looks like very interesting book to read - enough
to scare the he hell out of you.

Saba

No more Godzilla movies for me.




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Re: [CTRL] Russian Intel Warns CIA - Next Target A US Nuclear Facility

2001-09-14 Thread Prudence L. Kuhn


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writes:

<<
 Russian Intel Warns CIA - Next Target A US Nuclear Facility
 Remember day before yesterday when I reported that the Russians
 suspected the plane in PA to be headed for Three Mile Island rather
 than Camp David?
 Text of report by Russian Ren TV on 12 September Presenter - Yelena
 Meshcheryakova >>

It is far more likely that it was headed for Shippensburg, PA which does have
a nuclear facility.  It could have taken out the entire northeast section of
the country.   Since I live in Pennsylvania, I realize just how much we owe
the brave people who decided to take action to keep this from happening.
Prudy

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Re: [CTRL] NEWS EMBARGO AFTER ISRAELI LINK LEAK


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> -Caveat Lector-
>
> Caveat Lector - Hi! This report may constitute yet another fragment of
> evidence suggesting that the 9 11 attacks may have involved strategic
> deception.  We do not endorse the information, but pass it on in the public
> interest. EcoNews Service, Vancouver, BC
>
>  NEWS EMBARGO AFTER ISRAELI LINK LEAK
>
>  Stern-Intel (Canada). A US military intelligence source revealed details of
> an internal intelligence memo that points to the Israeli Mossad intelligence
> service having links to the World Trade Center and Pentagon attacks. The
> intelligence source, who requested his name be withheld, confirmed the
> internal US intelligence memo circulated four weeks ago described information
> that pointed to the threat of a covert Israeli operation on US
>  soil to turn mass public opinion against Palestinian Arabs via an apparent
> terrorist attack on US interests that would give Israel the green light to
> implement a large scale military onslaught against the Palestinian Arab
> population.
>  The 11 September attack has been described by experts as being too
> sophisticated for a lone terrorist group to execute. "This attack required a
> high level of military precision and the resources of  an advanced
>  intelligence agency. In addition, the attackers would have needed to be
> extremely  familiar with both air force one flight operations, civil airline
> flight paths and aerial assault tactics on sensitive US cities like
>  Washington, Stated David Stern an expert on Israeli intelligence operations.
> The attacks targeted the Pentagon, World Trade Center towers, with the White
> House and Air Force One also being targets according to the FBI.
>  "The attacks have certainly turned US public opinion firmly back in Israel's
> favor after 11 months of Palestinian uprising, heavy criticism of Israel over
> war crimes allegations and racism by a UN conference in Durban. The attacks
> serve no Arab group or nation's interests but their timing came in the midst
> of international condemnation of Israel for its policy of death squad
> assassination of Palestinian political and police figures", added Stern.
>  If verified, the news of Israel's involvement in the US attack will come as
> no surprise to intelligence experts. The state of Israel has a long history
> of covert operations against Western targets with attacks on the King David
> Hotel, USS Liberty, murder of a Scandinavian UN envoy as well as espionage
> against the US during the Jonathan Pollard case.
>  On Wednesday the US defense department issued a warning to its officials to
> halt the leak of information on the investigation which it says is happening
> on a daily basis since the attacks occurred.
>

Good one! I like it.

J2

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[CTRL] Pretty credible sources

2001-09-14 Thread Prudence L. Kuhn


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Aftershocks
http://www.counterpunch.org/

by Alexander Cockburn and Jeffrey St.Clair

Least credible news footage

CNN's videotape of Palestinians supposedly  dancing in
the streets of a West Bank town.   CounterPuncher
Marcio A.V. Carvalho at the  state university of
Campinas in Brazil tells us that he and his colleagues
had compared this tape with one from 1991 showing
Palestinian cheering, and found them to be identical.

Prudy

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Re: [CTRL] [AL-AWDA] Sharon Scraps Peace Talks (fwd)

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William Shannon wrote:
>
> Excellent post 'Bird!
>
> This is EXACTLY what "they" wanted...now they've got carte blanche!
>
> Sucks to be us but it must be rather euphoric to be THEM!
>
> Bill.

It's only annoying to be you guys. It sucks to be Arab terrorists
or play one on TV.

They should have made peace when they had the chance. Now it's
Bupkis.

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Re: [CTRL] Ted Olson On FoxNews

In a message dated 9/14/01 9:34:44 PM Central Daylight Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:


If you look at the earlier reports of Barbara Olson's cell phone calls to
Ted, it calls the calls "clandestine," but in the same breath says she kept
asking him what she should tell the hijacker.

Call it co-dependent clandestine!!

Bill.

Re: [CTRL] Ted Olson On FoxNews

2001-09-14 Thread Linda Minor


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If you look at the earlier reports of Barbara Olson's cell phone calls to
Ted, it calls the calls "clandestine," but in the same breath says she kept
asking him what she should tell the hijacker.


-Original Message-
From: William Shannon <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Date: Friday, September 14, 2001 7:33 PM
Subject: [CTRL] Ted Olson On FoxNews


>Has anyone seen his interview w/ whatshisface...Hume, Brit Hume??
>God is this guy dispassionate...cold...robotic, no! Not Hume, that's a
given,
>I mean Olson, the "grieving" widower...
>
>Is THAT how good conservatives grieve?
>Is THAT how they mourn for their "loved" one?
>
>>From what I could see this Olson dick is an asshole of the highest order,
and
>granted his wife was a bitchy shill for the GOP but you'd figure a guy like
>Theodore would love and miss that!
>
>But from what I could tell this guy was quietly celebratory...almost
relieved!
>
>Did he know this was imminent?
>Did he insist she was on THAT flight??
>
>Makes one wonder!
>
>So now this cold prick is our Solicitor General, a cold NWO general who
sends
>his wife off to slaughter in order to advance his cause.
>
>Fuck him!
>
>Bill.
>
>

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[CTRL] The End of VideoGame Wars


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  --

The End of VideoGame Wars

Naomi Klein, AlterNet
September 13, 2001

Now is the time in the game of war when we dehumanize our enemies.

They are utterly incomprehensible, their acts unimaginable, their
motivations senseless. They are "madmen" and their states are "rogue." Now
is not the time for more understanding -- just better intelligence.

These are the rules of the war game.

Feeling people will no doubt object to this characterization: war is not a
game. It is real lives ripped in half; it is lost sons, daughters,
mothers, and fathers, each with a dignified story. Tuesday's act of terror
was reality of the harshest kind, an act that makes all other acts seem
suddenly frivolous, game-like.

It's true: war is most emphatically not a game. And perhaps after Tuesday,
it will never again be treated as one. Perhaps September 11, 2001 will
mark the end of the shameful era of the video game war.

Watching the coverage on Tuesday was a stark contrast to the last time I
sat glued to a television set watching a real-time war on CNN. The Space
Invader battlefield of the Gulf War had almost nothing in common with what
we have seen this week. Back then, instead of real buildings exploding
over and over again, we saw only sterile bomb's-eye-views of concrete
targets -- there and then gone. Who was in these abstract polygons? We
never found out.

Since the Gulf War, American foreign policy has been based on a single
brutal fiction: that the U.S. military can intervene in conflicts around
the world -- in Iraq, Kosovo, Israel -- without suffering any U.S.
casualties. This is a country that has come to believe in the ultimate
oxymoron: a safe war.

The safe war logic is, of course, based on the technological ability to
wage a war exclusively from the air. But it also relies on the deep
conviction that no one would dare mess with the U.S. -- the one remaining
superpower -- on its own soil.

This conviction has, until Tuesday, allowed Americans to remain blithely
unaffected by -- even uninterested in -- international conflicts in which
they are key protagonists. Americans don't get daily coverage on CNN of
the ongoing bombings in Iraq, nor are they treated to human-interest
stories on the devastating effects of economic sanctions on that country's
children. After the 1998 bombing of a pharmaceutical factory in Sudan
(mistaken for a chemical weapons facility), there weren't too many follow
up reports about what the loss of vaccine manufacturing did to disease
prevention in the region.

And when NATO bombed civilian targets in Kosovo -- including markets,
hospitals, refugee convoys, passenger trains, and a TV station -- NBC
didn't do "streeter" interviews with survivors about how shocked they were
by the indiscriminate destruction.

The United States has become expert in the art of sanitizing and
dehumanizing acts of war committed elsewhere. Domestically, war is no
longer a national obsession, it's a business that is now largely
out-sourced to experts. This is one of the country's many paradoxes:
though the engine of globalization around the world, the nation has never
been more inward looking, less worldly.

No wonder Tuesday's attack, in addition to being horrifying beyond
description, has the added horror of seeming, to many Americans, to have
arrived entirely out of the blue. Wars rarely come as a complete shock to
the country under attack but it's fair to say that this one did. On CNN,
USA Today reported Mike Walter was asked to sum up the reaction on the
street. What he said was: "Oh my god, oh my god, oh my god, I just can't
believe it."

The idea that one could ever be prepared for such inhuman terror is
absurd. However, viewed through the U.S. television networks, Tuesday's
attack seemed to come less from another country than another planet. The
events were reported not so much by journalists as by the new breed of
brand-name celebrity anchors who have made countless cameos in TimeWarner
movies about apocalyptic terrorist attacks on the United States -- now,
incongruously reporting on the real thing. And for a bizarre split second
on Tuesday night, CNN's logo "America Under Attack" disappeared and in its
place flashed a logo that said "Fighting Fat" -- an eerie ghost graphic
that yesterday passed as news.

The United States is a country that believed itself not just at peace but
war-proof, a self-perception that would come as quite a surprise to most
Iraqis, Palestinians and Colombians. Like an amnesiac, the U.S. has woken
up in the middle of a war, only to find out it has been going on for
years.

Did the United States deserve to be attacked? Of course not. That argument
is ugly and dangerous. But here's a different question that must be asked:
did U.S. foreign policy create the conditions in which such twisted logic
could flourish, a war not so much on U.S. imperialism but on perceived
U.S. imperviousness?

The era of the video game war in which the U.S. is always at the controls

Re: [CTRL] Kris's Stew

2001-09-14 Thread Dale Stonehouse


  RevCOAL <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
U, that would actually be "No-Eyes." If you remember, she was blind but could "see" much better than Mary Summer Rain. Then again, with Summer Rain's crippling dogmatic beliefs, any blind person could probably see better. I actually enjoyed her books but eventually grew tired of the accounts of her personal life. It got boring, in other words.

Re: [CTRL] Kris's Stew


-Caveat Lector-

So maybe self-fulfiling prophecies?  However, been a long time since I
went into this third eye stuff - and under certain Indian drugs, maybe
this peyote or the ones they used in religious services it is said you
get peek at the future.

Am going to try to track something down on this because this fiery
flying serpent really bothers meand it is Scorpio coming into range
and the hunter - it is almost like a game plan.

Those kids at Littleton - programmed, drugged up - as though someone had
stolen away their souls and they were empty laughing shells...frozen
faces - know this there are pictures being planted into the minds of
young kids

My grandson is afraid of the big bad wolf.who huffs, and puffs, and
blows away your house.   I am beginning to feel what he sees.

Saba

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Re: [CTRL] GW Reckless and Irresponsible or Worse

In a message dated 9/14/01 8:56:32 PM Central Daylight Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:


No ultirior motives

Huh?

What's that Zev?

Re: [CTRL] Kemp: Declare War!


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   Kemp: Declare War!



Shannon: Fuck yourself Kemp!

J2> Ditto.

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Re: [CTRL] Kris's Stew

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On Fri, 14 Sep 2001, Saba wrote:
>Item I forward re NWO.wonder if Flying Fiery Serpents are just a new
>type of a Phoenix Bird?  And from the ashes comes NWO - but we still
>have a face we cannot see maybe because it has none, just an old skull
>and some bones?

Not sure if I posted this info to this list or not...I'm getting email
regarding this disaster even from non-political/current events list, so
its easy to lose track of what I've sent where

But in response to some posts regarding prophecies or pseudo-prophecies
of this event, I remembered Mary Summer Rain's books that I read a decade
ago, where she compiles the prophecies of a Native American medicinewoman
known as "One-Eye"...

Not sure where I put the books...I'd like to dig them out; I put them
away because periodically I'd take them out and reread the list of events
that One-Eye had predicted, and it finally got too creepy, all the things
that were coming true...

All these predicted events were signs of what One-Eye called the coming
of the "Phoenix Days"...she had a vision of Mother Earth shaking herself
like a bear coming out of hibernation, after which Mother Earth would
give birth to a phoenix, who would slowly rise from the earth and
eventually encircle it in flame...

These were symbols for a time that we would call Armeggedon...eventually
Mother Earth will heal herself (according to One-Eye's vision), but we
won't like the ride we will have to take to get there

And what was one of the 'sure signs' that the "Phoenix Days" had begun?
A large fireball over New York City that would result in the deaths of
thousands of people, followed by a major war that would result in
hundreds of thousands of people getting sick and dying"

Mary Summer Rain interpreted the vision to mean that there would be a
nuclear strike on NYC, but One-Eye's actual words are of a fireball, not
a mushroom cloud

These predictions are listed out in a couple of books written by Mary
Summer Rain, the last of which was published in the early
1990s...One-Eye's predictions were actually made in the 1970s and early
1980s, though

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Re: [CTRL] GW Reckless and Irresponsible or Worse

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> -Caveat Lector-
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>   Part of why there will be no baseball and football games this weekend MUST
> BE caution around having public gatherings where masses of people would be
> vulnerable to attack.
>
>   In light of this, it is AT LEAST reckless, stupid and irresponsible for GW
> to call for all Americans to go to houses of worship at specific times today.
>  I'm very concerned about this, and suspicious about ulterior motives.

No ultirior motives. Just establishing tribal unity.

>
>   We're in a PR war here, where emotions are deliberately being inflamed so
> the people will support a vicious war.

You got that right.

> If something - ANYTHING - happens at
> a house of worship today, this would further inflame the outrage of the
> American people, and whatever roadblocks there are now for having citizens be
> willing to give up their rights, their social security funds, and their young
> adult children to this cause would very likely melt away.
>
> Samantha

Sounds like you've heard this song before.

J2

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[CTRL] We Are All zionists...NOT! Globe and Mail, Day 2 (Marc Azar's continued critique of Canada'a Globe and Mail) (fwd)


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Montreal, September 14 2001

We Are All zionists...NOT! Globe and Mail, Day 2

In its continued attack against civil liberties of all Canadians, the
Globe and Mail disclosed its objectives and those of the establishment's
for a crack down against all public discourse critical of local and
international events. The message was loud and clear: we are all
Americans now! Underlined was the idea that we are all united in the
same thought, in the same sheepish approval of U.S. retaliation down the
road. This was to be exemplified, according to the Globe and Mail, by
our unanimous understanding and support now for Israel and its fight
against what it calls Arab terrorism. In so trying to shove down peoples
minds a unidimensional and one-sided thought, the Globe and Mail
completely discredited its own pretention to speak as "Canada's
national" paper. A pompous fallacy which has never transpired inside the
Globe and Mail's pages where the multicultural and multinational
realities, that are so present in Canadians lives today, have never been
reflected. Instead, we were fed a one-sided zionist and militaristic
propaganda written by and for mainly zionist jews.

An explanation was given on the very good Radio-Canada French radio
program of Marie-France Bazzo yesterday. Many Israelis who also happen
to be New Yorkers, had jobs at the WTC. This explained the zionist
establishment's double fury at the target, thus the all out one-sided
coverage of these past days at zionists outlets such as the Globe and
Mail, the English CBC, especially its Toronto based radio section, and
the usual others (National Post, Jerusalem Post, the Montreal Gazette,
etc). Obviously oblivion to zionists and their one-sided coverage was
the fact that more than 26 nationalities, including people of Arab
origins and/or of Muslim religion, also happened to be working at the
WTC at the time of the attack. But solidarity with and for all vicitims
of terrorism cannot be permitted to take place if the zionist propaganda
is to have its own way of the "us against them" apartheid thinking.
Thus, for the Globe and Mail, the U.S. and the West are the only victims
of terrorism, never a sponsor, and Israeli conduct is the only road and
norm to follow and never question.


Most of the racist articles in Thursday's edition concerned themselves
with conditioning of the Canadian public's mind to accept Israel's
conduct as the norm and to rally against a green light given to the U.S.
to "strike back at terrorism". The articles below were all included in
the A section of the paper.

- "Israeli airport a model of constrictive security", by Paul Adams

Why one should give as an example the security measures adopted by a
state denounced worldly as an Apartheid state is behyond anybody's
guess. One of the worst places for Jews to be in the world, in terms of
security today is Israel! Yet, even with all measures described by Paul
Adams article, Israelis have never been safe!

- Paul Adams' second article: "Nervous Mideast awaits U.S. move". From
the content of the article, it becomes clear that the Tel Aviv based
Globe and Mail temporary correspondent is only concerned about...Tel
Aviv. A couple of parapghs are also dedicated to "embarrassement" by
Palestinians "about the public expressions of joy thast erupted on the
streets of many Palestinian communities". Not bad for someone who is
stationed in... Tel-Aviv! Should we conclude that Mideast coverage for
the Globe and Mail covers only Tel Aviv?

- Marcus Gee: "Twisted view of the world drives some to mass murder".
No, Mr. Gee was not talking of the Israeli and U.S. military and
political establishment. Rather, Mr. Gee tries very hard to develop the
idea that terrorism is a sole Palestinian affair. Hell! They have
praticly patented and invented the thing. Well, what did you come to
expect from someone whose memory is so clogged? Same racist, one-sided
comments and absence of incriminating facts debunking his "thesis" are
at play as in yesterday's article.

- Page A17. The fun begins.  3/4 page op. ed. piece by Edward Luttwak,
an eminent clone of Jessie Helms fame. Why a Canadian paper would
publish such fanatical rubbish opinions on any subject matter is opened
to question until one is reminded that Mr. Luttwak is also a zionist jew.

- I'm sure New Yorkers and all other U.S. citizens will be glad and
reassured to read the other op. ed below Mr. Luttwak which is entitled:
"Canada must be there for the Americans". If not they can look to page A
18 where the only 2 editorials published are "Let's rally 'round our
American friends" and a second one called  "The battle of ideas",
obviously not in reference to the Globe and Mail's coverage. This second
editorial uncritically regurgitates ad nauseam the discredited and
debunked thesis of Samuel Hungtington's "Clash of Civilisation". A
thesis the author himself as since started to distance from.

- Letters: As in yesterd

Re: [CTRL] [AL-AWDA] Sharon Scraps Peace Talks (fwd)

Excellent post 'Bird!

This is EXACTLY what "they" wanted...now they've got carte blanche!

Sucks to be us but it must be rather euphoric to be THEM!

Bill.

Re: [CTRL] manufacturing an image (fwd)


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You could tell by the pictures of the kids on TV smiling and waving
little flags it was a celebration and they were all dressed up with hair
combed.   It was obvious.

And most of all - their territory had not been destroyed by this Israeli
element with the big guns for which we paid.

They want they oil - they better wise up for they will blow those oil
fields up to high heave and there are those willing to die to so do.

So they should look for the Manchurian Candidate connection and wonder.

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[CTRL] [AL-AWDA] Sharon Scraps Peace Talks (fwd)

Why talk peace when you're getting away with murder? What for? According to Ben Eliezer, nobody's paying attention anymore to the killings of Palestinians...

http://news.bbc.co.uk/hi/english/world/middle_east/newsid_1545000/1545140.stm

Friday, 14 September, 2001, 19:52 GMT 20:52 UK
Sharon scraps Mid-East talks - (compares Arafat to Bin Laden)

Israel's Prime Minister Ariel Sharon has ordered his foreign minister to cancel planned cease-fire talks with Palestinian leader Yasser Arafat. Shimon Peres had been due to meet Mr Arafat on Sunday after weeks of preparations. But the prime minister cancelled the meeting on the grounds that it could damage Israeli interests.

Mr Peres continued to call for an eventual meeting and Washington expressed the hope that the talks would resume eventually. According to Israeli state radio, Mr Sharon announced his decision in a telephone call to the US President, George W Bush. A senior Israeli official told the French news agency AFP that the reason for the decision was "Arafat's behaviour in the past and his behaviour right now". He said such a meeting would be "inappropriate". Necessary talks In his reaction, Foreign Minister Peres said talks with Mr Arafat were necessary if the US was to build up an anti-terror coalition after Tuesday's plane attacks. He also rejected Mr Sharon's comparisons of the Palestinian leader to Saudi terror suspect Osama Bin Laden. Mr Peres stressed that the US Secretary of State, Colin Powell, had been pressing for
the talks.

Mr Powell himself said after the cancellation that it was important for peace that the two sides meet. "We believe a meeting is important to get the process started," he said in Washington. "This conflict isn't going away, and I don't think it's going to be solved by continuing conflict between the two sides." The Palestinians reacted by accusing Prime Minister Sharon of seeking war. "We were prepared to hold the meeting on Sunday," said Information Minister Yasser Abed Rabbo.

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[CTRL] manufacturing an image (fwd)

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Date: Fri, 14 Sep 2001 17:46:53 EDT
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Subject: [AL-AWDA] Fwd: manufacturing an image

I received this message from a friend in Canada.  She sympathizes with the
fear and apprehension Arab-Americans (and Muslims) are experiencing after the
WTC disaster.  She has forwarded this message, which contains an attachment
claiming the images of Palestinians celebrating was actually shot in 1991.
Does anyone have information, can anyone verify the information below, or
know how to get a copy of this footage?  If it is true, then CNN and other
networks who played it over and over again must be addressed, held
responsible, and made to apologize for inciting hatred and discrimination
based on false reports.  Please, please respond if you have any information
about this, and, if it turns out to be true, let's decide on a course of
action.  For now, we must investigate this and determine the accuracy of the
claim below.  If anyone has suggestions on how we might investigate this,
please discuss.  Email me privately if you prefer; or call me at 718-721-7242.

Afaf

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Thanks for your reply. We will be together in person again, one day!
I think this message is very important!
Love, Terry

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>-Original Message-
>From: Stephen Seaborn [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
>Sent: September 13, 2001 19:08
>To: dcto
>Cc: intl solidarity
>Subject: manufacturing an image

>: http://www.indymedia.org
Article:CNN USING 1991 FOOTAGE of celebrating Palistinians to
>manipulate >by Marcio 9:10am Thu Sep 13 '01
>address: State University of Campinas - Brazil
   All around the world we are subjected to 3 or
   4 huge news distributors, and one of them - as
   you well know - is CNN. Very well, I guess
   all of you have been seeing (just as I\'ve
been) images from this company
>I'd like to add some ideas from here, down south.
>There's an important point in the power of press, specifically the power of
>CNN.
>
>All around the world we are subjected to 3 or 4 huge
>news distributors,
>and one of them - as you well know - is CNN. Very well,
>I guess all of
>you have been seeing (just as I\'ve been) images from
>this company. In
>particular, one set of images called my attencion: the
>Palestinians
>celebrating the bombing, out on the streets, eating some
>cake and making
>funny faces for the camera.
>
>Well, THOSE IMAGES WERE SHOT BACK IN 1991!!! Those are
>images of Palestinians celebrating the invasion of
>Kuwait! It\'s simply
>unacceptable that a super-power of cumminications as CNN
>uses images
>which do not correspond to the reality in talking about
>so serious an
>issue.
>
>A teacher of mine, here in Brazil, has videotapes
>recorded in 1991, with
>the very same images; he\'s been sending emails to CNN,
>Globo (the
>major TV network in Brazil) and newspapers, denouncing
>what I myself
>classify
>as a crime against the public opinion. If anyone of you
>has access to this
>kind of files, serch for it. In the meanwhile, I\'ll try
>to \'put my hands\' on a
>copy of this tape.
>
>But now, think for a moment about the impact of such
>images. Your
>people is hurt,

[CTRL] Fwd: [GATA] Financial Post begins to take an interest in gold






Is this gold rally for real?
Gold bugs have often been burned

By Jonathan Chevreau
Financial Post, Canada
www.NationalPost.com
September 14, 2001

Gold bugs must feel a bit like Charlie Brown in the long-running
scene where Lucy keeps grabbing the football just as he's
about to kick it. Gold is always poised to explode once it gets
past US$300, we're told. Then, wham, Lucy grabs the ball and
the yellow metal sags back below US$275.

In the wake of Tuesday's tragic attacks, gold took a predictable
bounce up, with stocks like Barrick Gold Corp. up almost 10
percent. But yesterday, the price of bullion had given back
most of those gains.

It's the possibility of unforeseeable events like these that
created the once popular investment axiom that investors should
put 5 to 10 percent of their portfolio in gold or precious
metals funds -- not so much as an investment but as disaster
insurance.

Most investment professionals today view gold as a "barbarous
relic." For example, Allen Clarke, chairman of Opus2Direct.com,
a fund wrap program, says, "I don't understand why people go
to gold during such times. This concept of owning gold is
outdated."

But even if you believe gold is coming back, you should sort
out the difference between holding the actual physical bullion
or coins, and gold funds and stocks.

In the former case, you actually own something of value; in
the latter, just like other stocks and funds, you only own
paper claims on the assets.

Most gold funds own precious metals stocks, not bullion. If and
when gold finally starts to move, an amplifier effect will move
gold stocks that much faster, the believers say. If bullion
rises 10 percent, for example, the funds owning gold
exploration and mining stocks might soar 30 percent or so.

Gold funds have been rising most of the year, even before this
week. According to Morningstar.ca, topping the one-year numbers
with a 36.5 percent return to Aug. 31 is Mackenzie's Universal
Precious Metals. The three-year number is just 8.8 percent and
the five-year number a loss of 7.6 percent.

Most of the bank-owned gold funds are up 13 to 36 percent the
past year (TD's being the 36 percent)
.
Barclay's new iUnits S&P/TSE Canadian Gold exchange-traded
fund (XGD/TSE) is too new for a one-year number but is up 3
percent over the last quarter.

So the first question to ask yourself and your adviser is
whether you're buying a contrarian investment play, or
absolute insurance should the financial system be brought
to its knees by more terrorist actions.

If the latter, you may want to investigate the Millennium
Bullion Fund, which may be available in mid-October, pending
approval from the Ontario Securities Commission.

Managed by Toronto-based Bullion Management Services, the
fund will be invested one third in physical gold, one third
in silver and one third in platinum, according to president
Nick Barisheff. The actual physical precious metals will be
delivered if requested. Minimum investments may be about
$1,000, he says.

Long before the terrorist attacks, Barisheff was personally
heavily weighted in precious metals directly and through gold
stocks. He was already pessimistic about the U.S. stock
market and the U.S. dollar but believes the huge U.S. trade
deficit can't continue for much longer without a major flight
of foreign capital from the U.S. dollar to gold.

If you want to see the arguments for gold, most of them
associated with the collapse of the world economy and the
U.S. stock market, set your Web browser to
www.gold-eagle.com, and find the essays in the editorials
section. One of them is the perennial "Gold ready to explode?"
piece, which, if I'm not mistaken, has been running for several
years now.

While there, read the essay "The Golden Age of Paper," by
long-time gold dealer Bill Haynes. He points out that after
adjusting for inflation, gold and silver are currently trading
at near record lows. That means "they hold little downside risk
but great upside potential."

Given the vested interests at the site, it's hard to assess
their conclusions. Oh, I buy some of the arguments about
supply and demand, trade deficits, how the Fed is propping
up the U.S. stock market (not too well lately), how they
keep inflating the money supply and printing fiat currency
unbacked by anything but politicians' promises. Real assets
like gold are an anathema in such an environment.

It may not be true that the Fed, the Bank for International
Settlements, and Wall Street investment houses are involved
in some widespread conspiracy to suppress bullion's price,
as the Gold Anti-Trust Action Committee argues. But with
powerful enemies like these, why hitch your wagon to such
an ill-fated star?

Stephen Gadsden, an Aurora, Ont., financial planner, sees
an argument for some gold exposure but warns investors
not to go overboard. The better safe haven is cash or bonds.

Barisheff and others figure if bullion can break past the
US$300 level and then on to US$320, the fireworks

Re: [CTRL] [CIA-DRUGS] Pentagon offices- and planes- empty

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In a message dated 9/14/01 6:03:38 PM, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:

>On Fri, 14 Sep 2001, She Who Remembers wrote:
>>I also find it interesting that there were so few passengers on such big
>jets.
>
>They were commuter lines...some days they may be packed, some days they
>may fly half empty...it just depends...
>
>Keep in mind that most people who would be taking a commuter flight would
>do so on a Monday morning, not a Tuesday
>
>
>June

 There must be stats somehwere. Is it a statiscal deviation?

Anyone?

Om
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Re: [CTRL] NEWS EMBARGO AFTER ISRAELI LINK LEAK


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Well I still remember the USS Liberty and the recent report on this JDL
site whereby someone had written story that Israeli was losing
propaganda war.even these charges of racism, etc.

But as this one man told me there is a veiled face - the one we do not
see.now who is the leader the head Potentate of Bnai Brith or this
Zionist Movement - they got a Pope?

Third world countries and many Arab nations worked with World Trade and
US Chamber and this I now for a face because my sister as an Int. Trade
Rep worked with them.and there was Zionist influence of course but
they were usually part of, the commerce department itself.

So patienceOsama bin Laden sounds like a real fruit cake for how
does a guy like McVeigh pull off a job with a load of fertilizer in a
rented truck,  and two planes bring down the symbol of the capitalistic
system - while a bright Red Star is shining bright.   Osama does not
like communist and he has big bucks.

What is wrong here?   This World Trade Center had nearly every nation in
the country involved.

Someone is killing America and as far as I am concerned this bastard
Jerry Falwell is part of it in for the kill.

Maybe his tithes are not enough?And maybe must have blood sacrifices
upon which to feed.

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[CTRL] Networks Stumble Over Coverage of US Terror Attacks (fwd)


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Assalamu'alaikum,

Major US Networks Stumble Over Coverage of US Terror Attacks

Copyright: http://www.iviews.com
Published Friday September 14, 2001

http://www.iviews.com/scripts/articles/stories/default.cfm?id=13009&category_id=40
see also: http://www.cnn.com/2001/US/09/14/america.under.attack/

Sept. 14 (iviews.com) As major US media outlets compete to provide the

latest information in their around the clock coverage of the terror

attacks that shook the nation, many have admitted they provided

conflicting and sometimes incorrect information about the ensuing criminal

investigation.

In an almost unprecedented admission of error, CNN apologized for

reporting that one of the men detained by authorities was a suspect.

In a report filed Wednesday,  the 24 hour cable channel reported that

Adnan Bukhari and Ameer Bukhari of Vero Beach Florida were suspected

to be two of the pilots who crashed planes into the World Trade

Center.  However, CNN later learned that Adnan Bukhari was still in

Florida, where he was questioned by the FBI.  In an apology to viewers,

CNN admitted that Bukhari passed an FBI polygraph and was not a

suspect.  CNN also reported that his brother Ameer died in a small plane

crash last year.


"We are sorry for the misinformation," CNN said in a statement.


And in another embarrassment to the network which prides itself in

providing the latest breaking news on international events, CNN

provided breaking news coverage of bombings in Kabul, and suggested

that perhaps the US government could have been behind the attack.

During the "breaking news" coverage, Judy Woodruff, a long-time

Washington based anchor, admitted on the air she did not realize

Afghanistan was in the midst of a civil war.  Later in the day, a

spokesperson for the US State Department denied reports it was

involved in any attacks in Afghanistan.


On Friday morning, reporters for the major US networks, gingerly

backed down from reports of the previous evening which told of another

attempted terrorist attack.  John Miller of ABC news was among the first

to report Thursday evening that federal authorities may have thwarted

another possible attempt to hijack planes leaving from John F. Kennedy

and LaGuardia airports in New York.  Quoting reliable sources "high" in

the law enforcement community, Miller reported that the suspects were

arrested at the airport and taken off an airplane because they were

carrying false identification, flight manuals and knives.


But Friday morning, Miller corrected earlier statements and reported

after "a night of confusion", authorities released almost all the

"suspects" without charge.  Describing the arrests as an "over

reaction", NBC's Pete Williams admitted Friday that reports the suspects

were carrying weapons were false.



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[CTRL] Fwd: New York City sites


Well Mr. Miller an item on the architect, etc of the tall
towers...GEMINI, the Twins - has astrological implications at that.

But it is September - and RED STAR predominate in heart of Scorpio -
Antares means "unrequited love"..so much masonic symbolism and
whatever.

Frank Lloyd Wright built buildings in Japan which withstood earthquakes
while others fellbuilt in sand, as I recall.

The architect of any plan knows the weaknesses and I cannot get that
Fiery Flying Dragon off my mind.

Those old Japanese Godzilla movies - he always destroys - the flying
serpents  I guess, always destroy the tall towers?

This masonic symbolism is something else.  But they have built their
organization about the bible or is it the other way.

But they fly many different colors.
You find symbolism of Gemini (also one of our space craft?) in Song of
Solomon and in the Acts - the Isle of Castor and Pollux.connects to
star Sirius someway but my memory not too good here.

Whoever built the Titanic knew its weakness too and forgot to put on
enough lifeboats?   Coming from Upper Egypt the summer, the oh so
social,  laughed, drank and were merry .but they always play Danny
Boy 






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[CTRL] Fwd: [GATA] Internet trading sends gold futures to nearly $293






By Myra P. Saefong
www.CBS.MarketWatch.com
September 14, 2001

NEW YORK -- December gold prices jumped as high as $300
an ounce in Access trading at the New York Mercantile
Exchanged Friday, following a more than $4 an ounce climb
in spot gold prices. Traders bought into the commodity as a
hedge against the uncertainty over the economic effects of
Tuesday's terrorist attacks in the U.S.

December gold jumped by as much as $20 to $300 an ounce
at the start of Access trading, and ended the session at
$292.70, up $12.70.

The Commodities Exchange division of the Nymex remained
closed for regular trading Friday, but Nymex Internet-based
Access trading opened at 2:30 p.m. Eastern time for major
futures contracts trading. "Technical difficulties" forced
the New York Mercantile Exchange to suspend trading for an
hour shortly after the open, but the exchange extended
Access trading to 6 p.m. to make up for it.

Spot gold closed at $285.25 an ounce, up $5.50 Friday.
The London p.m. gold fix was at $285.75.

December silver also climbed by 11.5 cents to $4.34 an
ounce in Access trading.

Adding to support Friday was confirmation that about
12 tons of gold, worth roughly $106 million, are buried in
the debris pile from New York City's devastated World
Trade Center. The gold bars were stored in an
underground warehouse near the Twin Towers and held
on behalf of Comex.

Jonathan Potts, managing director at FideliTrade Inc.,
co-parent of the Delaware Depository Services along
with AT Systems, said there's no way of knowing when
the gold will be dug out of the rubble.

However, Alaron.com senior metals analyst David Meger
noted that the "amount of physical gold should not be
an issue" because banks can borrow gold for delivery.

Any moves higher are likely "done on short covering
and speculative buying in light of recent events," he
said. Meger won't rule out a "chance for a squeeze,
but once again that would more than likely be created
by other factors than the buried gold and silver," he
said, as the metal is not destroyed but simply
inaccessible for a while.

John Mesrobian, president of Constantinople
Advisors in Williamsburg, Va., argued that there
is actually very little real physical gold around to
borrow and that bullion banks are "in trouble,"
because they can't deliver and warehouse stocks
were low to begin with.

In other metals news, spot silver added 5 cents to
$4.26 an ounce, and spot platinum tacked on $19
to $470 an ounce.

Major metals stocks on the Toronto Stock Exchange
closed sharply higher Friday, following declines a day
earlier.

Shares of Placer Dome Gold added 79 cents to close
at $19.19, after falling on Thursday. Glamis Gold gained
95 cents to $6.20, and Franco Nevada Mining climbed
by 94 cents to settle at $21.65.

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CBS.MarketWatch.com in San Francisco.

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[CTRL] Fwd: [CIA-DRUGS] how does bin laden launder his dough?





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Peace,
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>Last night on the CBS news, someone asked how bin Laden manages to hide his
money.

While we presumably don't know, a money laundering technique commonly used
in Pakistan - hence probably available to bin Laden - is hawala, a
pre-modern form of banking used in the subcontinent.  Afghanistan supplies
heroin to the drug trade, proceeds from which are laundered through hawala.

QED:  bin Laden's also using hawala would be consistent.

Here are some  hawala links:

http://www.dawn.com/2001/06/23/top14.htm
"The report has identified three key sources of illicit funds: narcotics
trafficking, corruption and smuggling. Currently, the report admits that
there is very little production of narcotics in Pakistan but says that the
narcotics traffic organizations are active in this huge trade, trans-ship
drugs produced in Afghanistan and launder the proceeds abroad by means of
hawala (also called hundi) - an alternative remittances system. Pakistan
also remains an important country for the precursors or chemical acetic
anhydride destined for Afghanistan for heroin laboratories. "

http://www.usis.usemb.se/drugs/1998/money2.html

" The present state of political turmoil in Afghanistan, which has destroyed
most of the country's primitive banking infrastructure, is not conducive to
domestic money laundering. Afghanistan does play a key role in the heroin
trade, the proceeds of which appear to be laundered outside the country or
through the hawala alternative remittance system. Reports indicate that the
Taliban and other factions have been involved in narcotics trafficking. "

http://www.state.gov/g/inl/rls/nrcrpt/2000/index.cfm?docid=959

"The hawala (or hundi) alternative (or parallel) remittance system continues
to be a key factor in money laundering and other financial crimes committed
in and associated with South Asia. It is closely related to the "black" or
"off the books" economies in the region. The size of the underground
economies in South Asia are estimated to be 50 to 100 percent the size of
the "white" or "documented" economies.

Hawala operates on trust and connections ("trust" is one of several meanings
associated with the word "hawala"). Customers trust hawala "bankers" or
"operators" (known as hawaladars) who use their connections to facilitate
money movement worldwide. Hawala transfers take place with little, if any,
paper trail; and, when records are kept, they are usually kept in code.
Contrary to various media reports, hawala is an ancient system; it was the
primary money transfer mechanism used in South Asia prior to the
introduction of Western banking. Today, hawala continues to be used for many
legitimate transfers for cultural and financial reasons; and it also often
operates in conjunction with Western banking operations.

Dubai, India and Pakistan form a "hawala triangle" responsible for
significant international money laundering activities that go far beyond
South Asia. While interdiction of non-bank money laundering systems, such as
hawala, is difficult enough in itself, this difficulty is sometimes
compounded by ineffective money laundering countermeasures in Dubai and the
other Emirates. "


I have no specific information that bin Laden uses hawala, but using such a
system would defeat western high tech investigatory techniques.


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Re: [CTRL] NEWS EMBARGO AFTER ISRAELI LINK LEAK

2001-09-14 Thread Ecotoday


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Caveat Lector - Hi! This report may constitute yet another fragment of
evidence suggesting that the 9 11 attacks may have involved strategic
deception.  We do not endorse the information, but pass it on in the public
interest. EcoNews Service, Vancouver, BC

 NEWS EMBARGO AFTER ISRAELI LINK LEAK

 Stern-Intel (Canada). A US military intelligence source revealed details of
an internal intelligence memo that points to the Israeli Mossad intelligence
service having links to the World Trade Center and Pentagon attacks. The
intelligence source, who requested his name be withheld, confirmed the
internal US intelligence memo circulated four weeks ago described information
that pointed to the threat of a covert Israeli operation on US
 soil to turn mass public opinion against Palestinian Arabs via an apparent
terrorist attack on US interests that would give Israel the green light to
implement a large scale military onslaught against the Palestinian Arab
population.
 The 11 September attack has been described by experts as being too
sophisticated for a lone terrorist group to execute. "This attack required a
high level of military precision and the resources of  an advanced
 intelligence agency. In addition, the attackers would have needed to be
extremely  familiar with both air force one flight operations, civil airline
flight paths and aerial assault tactics on sensitive US cities like
 Washington, Stated David Stern an expert on Israeli intelligence operations.
The attacks targeted the Pentagon, World Trade Center towers, with the White
House and Air Force One also being targets according to the FBI.
 "The attacks have certainly turned US public opinion firmly back in Israel's
favor after 11 months of Palestinian uprising, heavy criticism of Israel over
war crimes allegations and racism by a UN conference in Durban. The attacks
serve no Arab group or nation's interests but their timing came in the midst
of international condemnation of Israel for its policy of death squad
assassination of Palestinian political and police figures", added Stern.
 If verified, the news of Israel's involvement in the US attack will come as
no surprise to intelligence experts. The state of Israel has a long history
of covert operations against Western targets with attacks on the King David
Hotel, USS Liberty, murder of a Scandinavian UN envoy as well as espionage
against the US during the Jonathan Pollard case.
 On Wednesday the US defense department issued a warning to its officials to
halt the leak of information on the investigation which it says is happening
on a daily basis since the attacks occurred.


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Next time, phone home.

German police confirm Iranian deportee phoned warnings
Fri Sep 14 2001 16:44:18 ET

German police have confirmed an Iranian man phoned US police from his
deportation cell to warn of the planned attack on the World Trade Centre.

The Lower Saxony Justice Ministry has confirmed the man warned of the
impending series of terrorist attacks, but had not been believed.

Spokesman Frank Woesthoff said the man phoned America "several times", but
refused to give further details.

He said the US Secret Service had not told the ministry about the calls
received from the Langenhagen prison until after the attacks.

"I cannot say anything about the man and the ministry does not know the
content of the conversations," he added.

The Hanover daily newspaper Neue Presse reported the 29-year-old was
dismissed as mentally unstable when he gave the warning of a terrorist
attack to occur this week.

The ministry would not reveal when the calls had been made.

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[CTRL] Your FBI, CIA, NSA, DIA in inaction. (fwd)

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Report: terror plot in works 5 years
BOSTON, Sept. 14 (UPI) -- Plans for the terror attacks on the United States
may have been in the works for at least five years, the Boston Globe
reported Friday.

The paper also said investigators have evidence indicating some of the
hijackers took advantage of the U.S.'s good relations with Saudi Arabia to
avoid close scrutiny in entering this country to take flight training in
Florida.

At least five of the 10 men who hijacked two jet passenger planes after
takeoff Tuesday from Boston's Logan International Airport and crashed them
into the World Trade Center in New York had ties to Saudi Arabia, an Arab
ally, the Globe said.

One of them, Mohamed Atta, 33, who carried a Saudi passport, was able to get
into the United States despite being implicated in a bus bombing in Israel
in 1986. Atta and his cousin, Marwan Alshehri, 23, should have been denied
visas because the two hijackers had been linked to Islamic extremists when
they studied at the Technical University in Hamburg, Germany, the Globe
said.

Flight instructors in Florida told the Globe it was common for students
linked to Saudi Arabia to get visas to come to the United States for flying
lessons with very little scrutiny or background checks by the State
Department.

"They basically got a free pass," said Globe reporter Kevin Cullen.

Chuck Clapper, who owns Lantana Air charter in Lantana, Fla., said several
Florida flight schools have contracts with Saudi Arabian Airlines, and some
have exemptions from visa checks.

He told the Globe that while some Arab nationalities need to satisfy the
State Department of their suitability to obtain flight instructions in the
United States, "Saudis don't. Iranians do. Libyans do. But the Saudis are
allies, so they don't."

Some of the hijackers had pilot licenses that indicated they were sponsored
or employed by Saudi Arabian Airlines.

While Atta had a Saudi passport, two other hijackers, Waleed Alshehri and
Marwan Alshehri, lived in Saudi Arabia before going to Florida last year for
flight training.

The five hijackers on American Airlines Flight 11, the first to crash into
the WTC Tuesday morning, were identified by sources to the Globe as Atta,
Abdulrahman Alomari, Waleed Alshehri, Wail Alshehri, and Satam Al Suqami.

Those on United Airlines Flight 175, the second plane to crash, were
identified as Fayez Ahmed, Ahmed Alghamdi, Hamza Alghamdi, Marwan Alshehri,
and Mohaid Alshehri.

The Globe said Waleed Alshehri graduated from Embry-Riddle Aeronautics
University in Daytona Beach, Fla., in 1997, and his arrival at the
prestigious flight school the year before indicates the suicide mission was
in the planning stages in 1996 if not earlier.

While officials so far have not been able to find concrete links between the
hijackers and suspected terrorist Osama bin Laden, he is considered by many
to be the prime suspect in the plot.

The Globe also said evidence gathered by investigators in the Boston area
indicates hijackers began casing Logan International Airport as much as a
year ago.

At least eight of the hijackers are believed to have stayed in Boston area
hotels the night before the attack, according to reports.

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[CTRL] Fwd: September 11 - How Could This Happen - What Must Be Done


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September 11 - How Could This Happen - What Must Be
Done
by Liz Michael ( www.lizmichael.com )
How could this happen? That's actually a really stupid question.
Aside from the timing of this particular event, hijacking a plane in
the United States is easy as pie. I could do it with one hand tied behind
my back it's so easy. I never would, because I have a love of the American
people, and a certain level of Judeo-Christian ethic of life, not only
for the lives of innocent citizens, but for my own life.
All of United States airline security is focused on its customers. Essentially,
the United States has decided that the common airline passenger is the
biggest threat to the common airline passenger. It has created this vast
terror state, through which you cannot travel with a weapon - where you
can be arrested for simply having too much cash by the DEA - where you
can be strip searched for being black and female. Supposedly all for our
security. And it's all crap.
I can hijack any plane in the country. I can smuggle any weapon into
any plane for the purpose of allowing a hijacker to overtake the plane.
How can I do that? Well, while your security personnel are placing your
customers through the equivalent of police terror - security personnel
who are largely untrained, untested, underpaid, and who are turned over
at a rate of almost 100% a year - security personnel who can be easily
duped by a real terrorist even though they seem to be stumped over things
as simple as a soda or a disk drive - I and my agents can walk in as easy
as pie... as your employees.
Airline and airport employees are some of the most untrained, unchecked,
unverified, dishonest people in the nation. Aside from the pilots and the
flight attendants, you don't need any training to work for an airline.
Getting a job for the ground crew of any typical airline is easy. If you
can provide verifiable references, fake or not, airlines are so desperate
to get ground workers, because those same airlines refuse to pay their
workers well or treat them with dignity. It is difficult for the airlines
to get workers for these jobs. They will take anybody. This is why the
airlines have such a problem with theft of luggage.
And just like that, I can have a handful of agents who load and unload
your plane, and likely you will never know it until we strike you.
Can it really be THAT easy?
No, it's even easier than that. Because so many people who care for
the planes don't even work for the airline. The people who usually clean
and inspect the plane are often not even employed by the airlines. They
are employed by contract companies. They are paid even less, and scrutinized
even less. They can get anything on a plane in a secret location. A gun.
A bomb. A knife. Or several.
They don't even have to be the same people. One plants. Another waters.
Still another reaps the harvest. And you'd never know it, until we hit
you. Can it really be THAT easy?
No, it's even easier. Stupid federal regulations which disarm the customer
require that any arms brought onto a plane be inserted in secure suitcases,
and those suitcases flagged with a special FFF tag.
What does this do? It tells any potential terrorist which bags have
firearms in them. And it guarantees that said firearms are separated from
their rightful owners, who, odds are would use them appropriately, and
potentially places them in the hands of those who cannot possibly use them
for any good purpose. This policy also guarantees that any terrorist which
makes it to the plane is extremely likely to succeed.
But as I said, I'd never do such a thing. Because I love America. And
I love Americans. And that brings me to the next problem.
Our national borders are sieves. Almost anyone can get into this country
for any reason. Now sure, someone who hates America could be an American.
But most of the time, if they are going to commit this level of an act,
they are not going to be Americans. They are going to be foreigners. And
this is exactly what happened on September 11. The perpetrators of this
mass murder simply walked into this country. Even though they hated us,
and even though it could have been determined, due to their national origin,
that they were likely to hate us.
And you airlines and airports hire these people because they will work
for next to nothing and accept your slavish conditions. They'll put up
with it because they have an agenda.
How could this happen? How could it not?
What must happen next to avert future attacks
Thomas Jefferson said that "The tree of liberty must be refreshed from
time to time, with the blood of patriots and tyrants."
Nothing illustrates the concept of a patriot more than what the firefighters
and police did in New York. Many of them, who were not on the scene when
the Trade Center attacks occurred, came to rescue those trapped in the
buildings. Little did they know that the buildings were going to collapse
on them and kill many of them.

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The service, which is accessible worldwide, allows individuals to
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The Anonymous Tip Web Link is located at .

The purpose of the service is to encourage individuals with
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The Anonymous Tip service is hosted by leading Internet privacy and
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Well nobody expected a jet plane to be used as a missile.now you
lose me a lot with the figures but I understand what you mean.

Somehow Egypt always appears in the cards - even on the Titanic there
was a High Priestess from the TEMPLE OF EYE or AY and we have the
Serpent on the head dress of Tut.poor Tut, met death they believe at
assassins hand and he was here in - well same year two Rockefellers and
a few popes bit the dust.and some of the Tut relics here in 1963 and
our boy King was killed along with Pope John of course who it is said
died a natural death but then I wondered, was there a borgia in the
Vatican.

This eye of Horus - many of my books are gone, you lend out and never
get back - bit 69th Pslam equates to Titanic going downand death of
a President alsostraight from Book of Dead as I recall.

Always wondered if Egyptians did not have a secret society of which we
are unaware who carried out and maybe sitll does, the Curse of the
Mummies?

Look at the back of that dollar bill and see the pyramids with the great
big eye of the ever so vigilant Treasury Department>

Maybe that is why the Israelis laying claim to pyramids?   But hey what
else is under there - Valley of the Kings, gold, uranium and maybe -

Imagine a high priestess of the Temple of Aye lying at the bottom of the
ocean.and maybe we will be seeing moe of Return of the Mummy for
there were Egyptian connections to these great towers.and now we are
to worry about nuclear towers?

Maybe the Masons should disband and let the Knights of Columbus take
over.

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[CTRL] Blindness and blowback in the World Trade Center case


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Sheikh Omar Abdel Rahman will probably spend the rest of his life in prison.
Sentenced on Jan. 18 for "hatching" a grandiose anti-Western conspiracy that
included planting bombs all over Manhattan, the 57-year-old cleric faces a
future of almost total isolation. Most likely, he will serve out his days at
the supermaximum-security prison in Florence, Colorado, where, blind and
unable to communicate with English-speaking guards, Rahman will pass some 23
hours a day in his cell alone.

Many reckon that this damned fate is an appropriate dose of American justice.
The New York Daily News applauded the sentencing, and that of nine
co-defendants, as a blow "against the forces of darkness ... who seek to
write their will across the world in blood."

These defenders of "what America is all about," however, might not be so smug
if they stopped to consider what makes Rahman's religious and political
sermons more than isolated cries in the desert. Throughout the sheikh's
career, his supposed foes (including the U.S. government) not only used
Rahman to further their own political agendas, but they also created divisive
social conditions that helped his message spread like fire in the wind.

Most concretely, while Rahman assailed secularists, nonbelievers and Muslim
moderates, he often did so under the sponsorship of major governments. When
Anwar Sadat sought to bolster his rightist regime in the 1970s, for instance,
he enlisted conservative clerics, including Rahman, to help crush the
Egyptian left.

According to legal documents, the CIA first turned to Rahman in 1989.
Building a world army to fight their $10 billion jihad in Afghanistan, the
Agency sent Rahman first to Pakistan and then to the United States to inspire
mujahideen recruits.

Here, in New York and New Jersey, many of Rahman's eager followers learned to
be all that they could be. The Green Beret's Psychological Operations Group
in Fort Bragg provided advanced military training. And, once the new soldiers
were ready, the CIA shipped them off to the Afghani front, where they waged
guerrilla, and often-terrorist, warfare against Soviet occupation. As one
defense attorney described it, Rahman's followers were "on Team America."

Trouble is, Team America tended to get a little out of hand. "After every
covert war," explains Jack Blum, a former investigative counsel for the
Senate Foreign Relations Committee, "there is an unintended disposal
problem." In spook jargon they call it "blowback."

Unfortunately, we may never know just what blew black from Afghanistan,
because the Rahman trial was among the most farcical in memory. None of the
defendants were convicted of actually bombing the World Trade Center, but
only of "seditiously conspiring" to do so -- a crime defined by a
Civil-War-era statute that allows innuendo, hearsay and taped phone
conversations to replace material evidence.

Dr. Frederic Whitehurst revealed that the FBI's crime lab tried to taint key
evidence in the case. And federal judge Michael Mukasey barred expert
testimony on Islamic thought, despite the fact that Rahman's conviction
rested on his unorthodox interpretations of Islamic law. Most dubiously of
all, the prosecution's case relied almost entirely on the actions and
testimony of Emad Salem, a shadowy figure who worked simultaneously for U.S.
and Egyptian intelligence agencies and was paid up to $1 million for his
services.

Salem not only informed on Rahman's inner circle for years but also made key
logistical arrangements and even suggested bombing targets. It was Salem who
rented the infamous "safe house," where defendants ostensibly concocted their
"witches brew" (later revealed to be nonexplosive). Highlighting the issue of
entrapment, Salem bragged to his wife, "I am the shepherd [of the group] ...
They are the sheep."

Indeed, reviewing the irregularities of Rahman's trial lends credence to the
defense's assertion that the case was not about any direct crimes (for which
he was not even accused) but about Rahman's intemperate view of the world. As
he told his attorney, Lynn Stewart, after the sentencing, "I am not the first
person to go to jail for his beliefs and I won't be the last."

But even if Rahman and his co-defendants were involved in the 1993 World
Trade Center bombing -- which is near impossible to determine from the
travesty of their trial -- the most unsettling questions remain. Why did
Rahman's message of religious zealotry and antipathy toward the West resonate
so powerfully with his audience? Why was Rahman's claim that the United
States and the West are "enemie

Re: [CTRL] Fwd: [the_octopus] terrorists may have a mole in the White House

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On Fri, 14 Sep 2001, Samantha L. wrote:
>  Maybe this story was leaked to provide an excuse for Dumbya's not going
>straight to the WH.  The "mole in the WH" story gives grounds to deflect such
>criticism.

You know, I'm far from being a fan of the Shrub, but on this matter I'm
seething over the criticism being directed at him for following what has
been policy for almost half a century

Yes, policy peopleBush did EXACTLY WHAT HAS BEEN SET UP TO DO WHEN
THE NATION'S CAPITOL IS UNDER ATTACH -- and Tuesday morning it was.

There was credible reports that the White House, the Capitol, and Air
Force One itself were targets, and perhaps even Camp David.

Since the days when we shook nuclear sabers at the USSR, the accepted SOP
for that situation dictated that the President -- the Commander in Chief
of the U.S. Armed Forces -- would be immediately hustled aboard Air Force
One which would then zigzag the skies of North America, operating under
radar invisibility...the President could stay aloft for days if need be,
with inflight refueling, and would only land when the situation
stabilized...

Suppose he HAD headed back to DC immediately, and suppose one of those
hijacked planes either destroyed Air Force One inflight or crashed into
the White House when Bush was there and killed him?  And perhaps
killed a goodly number of his Cabinet?  Perhaps even the Vice
President...

And what if the plane that went into the Pentagon had successfully
crashed into the Capitol, as originally planned?

Well, doh! Suddenly we don't have a government...

Anyone who says the president -- ANY president -- should have immediately
returned to the White House under such circumstances is an idiot.

June

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Re: [CTRL] [PalestineDiary] YIIIIIII!!!!!!!! (fwd)


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I am so sick of this God business; if you could see Jerry Falwells
version of the bible which he has copyrighted and changed a bit - even
changed meanings of word - word MNASON no longer means, diligent seeker
of truth.

This is what it is a lot of religious crap when it comes to Falwell for
I can still see this fatso sitting beside Larry Flynt who by the way,
Falwell and Flynt both seem to lean towards the ADL financially and
otherwise  this Judea Christian crap - this parasite living off fat of
land and Flynt living off garbage - to think this man was permitted to
say God punished us?

This is what we were told by Jean Dixon - that God punished JFK for it
was God's plan his head be blown off, and then Bobby and then Teddy and
the news media said in headlines she was a divine prophetess.

These are the parasites feeding off the public and throw in that asshole
Jesse Jackson and whats his name, the one with the foot long hair who
wears twelve hundred dollar suits and still looks like what he is - a
parasite on the poor.

Have they ever investigated Jackson and Sharpton ???   No, they just put
them in line a little bit.

The bright red star burns on..Falwell continues to feed at the same
table as Larry Flynt, and their cup runneth over with greed..

God punished America?   That big fat pig.

Saba

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[CTRL] Fwd: [CIA-DRUGS] secret service warned?





http://www.online.ie/news/latest_world/viewer.adp?article=1512332

German police confirm Iranian deportee phoned warnings 
 online.ie 14 Sep 2001


German police have confirmed an Iranian man phoned US police from his deportation cell to warn of the planned attack on the World Trade Centre.The Lower Saxony Justice Ministry has confirmed the man warned of the impending series of terrorist attacks, but had not been believed.Spokesman Frank Woesthoff said the man phoned America "several times", but refused to give further details.He said the US Secret Service had not told the ministry about the calls received from the Langenhagen prison until after the attacks."I cannot say anything about the man and the ministry does not know the content of the conversations," he added.The Hanover daily newspaper Neue Presse reported the 29-year-old was dismissed as mentally unstable when he gave the warning of a terrorist attack to occur this week.The ministry would not reveal when the calls had been made.








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Isn't this an older story? What is the source and date for this info, Bill?
Thanks.

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[CTRL] FC: More on Senate votes for warrantless taps -- the U.K. experience (fwd)


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Previous message:

"Senate votes to permit warrantless Net-wiretaps, Carnivore use"
http://www.politechbot.com/p-02511.html

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From: "Caspar Bowden" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>, "'Ukcrypto'" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: RE: Senate votes to permit warrantless Net-wiretaps, Carnivore use
Date: Sat, 15 Sep 2001 00:34:00 +0100

 > http://www.wired.com/news/politics/0,1283,46852,00.html
 > Senate OKs FBI Net Spying
 > By Declan McCullagh ([EMAIL PROTECTED])
 > 12:55 p.m. Sep. 14, 2001 PDT
 >
 > WASHINGTON -- FBI agents soon may be able to spy on Internet users
 > legally without a court order.
 >
 > On Thursday evening, two days after the worst terrorist attack in U.S.
 > history, the Senate approved the "Combating Terrorism Act of 2001,"
 > which enhances police wiretap powers and permits monitoring in more
 > situations

(snip)

 > Warrantless surveillance appears to be limited to the
 > addresses of websites visited, the names and addresses of
 > e-mail correspondents, and so on, and is not intended to
 > include the contents of communications. But the legislation
 > would cover URLs, which include information such as what Web
 > pages you're visiting and what terms you type in when
 > visiting search engines.

Declan,

Politech readers might be interested that there was an eloquent and
substantial debate about search engine parameters and individual web
pages in the analogous portions of the British RIP Act.

See
http://www.parliament.the-stationery-office.co.uk/pa/ld199900/ldhansrd/vo000612/text/00612-21.htm

And
http://www.parliament.the-stationery-office.co.uk/pa/ld199900/ldhansrd/vo000619/text/00619-28.htm

Circumstances obviously not comparable, but FYI - because of the
attention focussed on this issue, RIP traffic data definition was
amended after major climbdown so that it excluded these:

"traffic data ... includes data identifying a computer file or computer
program access to which is obtained, or which is run, by means of the
communication to the extent only that the file or program is identified
by reference to the apparatus in which it is stored."
RIP Act S.21(6)
http://www.hmso.gov.uk/acts/acts2000/00023--c.htm#21

(...unless our new Home Secretary is cooking up a way to rectify *that*)
--
Caspar Bowden   www.fipr.org
Director, Foundation for Information Policy Research
Tel: +44(0)20 7354 2333

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Sent: 22 June 2000 09:28
Subject: ComputerWeekly 22/6/2000: "Government forced to rewrite RIP
definitions"
(dead URL, search www.cw360.com)
http://www.computerweekly.co.uk/cwarchive/news/2622/cwcontainer.asp?
name
=C2.HTML&SubSection=1
Government forced to rewrite RIP definitions
John Riley

The Government admitted this week that its definition of "communications
data", which underpins its controversial Regulation of Investigatory
Powers
(RIP) Bill, is so flawed that it will have to be rewritten.

Government spokesman Lord Bassam said he will be taking into account the
industry's views in coming up with a new definition.

However, despite this last minute climb-down, Lord Bassam refused to say
whether the intent of the new definition would exclude search engine
requests and logs of individual Web pages from being intercepted without
a warrant.

"It was not clear from what the minister said whether Web sites that
people consult and follow through are intended to be included in the new
definition. We shall have to wait for the report stage to find out,"
said Conservative spokesman Lord Cope.

This means that the RIPBill could still require IT departments to hand
over encryption keys to law enforcement agencies, without informing
company directors - a practice that could breach commercial
confidentiality.

Bassam, speaking in the committee stage of the Bill, also refused to
deny that the use of black boxes to acquire communications data directly
and without the knowledge of ISPs would be unlawful.

"It is now abundantly clear that the Government is making this Bill up
as it goes along," said Caspar Bowden, director of the Foundation for
Information Policy Research. "The consequences for the Internet industry
and e-commerce for Britain will be apocalyptic unless these incompetents
are stopped," he added.

Next week sees more discussion of the Bill, which has gone through its
third reading in the Commons. The Bill goes into the report stage in
about three weeks, at which point the Government will have to compromise
or bounce the Bill back to the Commons.

The RIP Bill has been roundly criticised by all sectors of industry,
which fears that it threatens to undo the Labour government's policy to
make the UK the best place in the world to do e-business.




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[CTRL] Are We Going To Lose Our Nation?

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Are we going to lose our nation?

by Sherri Muzher

With the recent horrific tragedies in Washington, D.C., Pennsylvania, and New York, it seems that while our nation has understandably stopped, the media circuit continues to issue misinformation about the Middle East. Information that is leading to the inflamed passions of fellow Americans and a glorification of an Israeli system that violates human rights to allegedly maintain its security.

Clearly, the pictures of a small minority of Palestinians celebrating the tragic deaths of the victims was abhorrent. It is a very small minority of Palestinians. 4,000 of an estimated more than three million Palestinians. Have some of them lost them their humanity due to unconditional US support for Israel? Have they lost their humanity because as one Palestinian recently stated, "every bullet, missile, and weapon used says Made in the USA?" It's possible. Still, Palestinian officials and legislators have come forward to extended condolences to the American people on behalf of the Palestinian people. As Palestinian spokeswoman Hanan Ashrawi noted, we are suffering and we sympathize with others who are suffering. Palestinian Jerusalemites held a candle light vigil for the victims. There was no footage of this in our media. Talk to Palestinians and Palestinian-Americans. They are outraged and devastated. And the backlash against them and other Arab-Americans has already begun, even though the perpetrators are not yet known.

With regard to Israel, perhaps the only ones to gain from this tragedy, they are now seizing Palestinian cities and sending in bulldozers. Many Palestinians have been shot, and Israeli Knesset members have urged Ariel Sharon to go forward. "The world will understand," said Zvi Hendel, one of the advocates. And as one Israeli military official noted today, "we are operating in the Jenin area and nobody's complaining." When asked by the New York Times as to what the latest tragedy means for relations between the United States and Israel, Former Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu gloated that, "It's very good.." Then he edited himself: "Well, not very good, but it will generate immediate sympathy."

Israel has a history of torturing Palestinians, and most recently Palestinian youth – according to Israel's own B'tselem. Despite a ban on torture by Israel's High Court of Justice in 1999, the torture has never stopped. Enough loopholes were given to Israeli interrogators. According to one article, nearly 80% of Palestinians who have been tortured were never prosecuted for crimes. Israel says it is necessary as they have produced confessions. Who isn't going to confess to a crime when scalding hot water is poured over their bodies, they are deprived of sleep, are told that their mothers and sisters are going to be raped, or are placed in contorted positions for days? Israel's own penal code Section 277 even prohibits the use of torture to extract confessions. They signed the UN Convention Against Torture in 1991, which prohibits the same. What will our country become should it adopt such measures?

The David Ben-Gurion Airport was highlighted and lauded in one media report. The strict security measures, unfortunately, are only administered to those of Arab descent or supporters of known Palestinian human rights. Arabs are often separated and subjected to strip searches. Jews are not. One American grandmother, who accommodated a delegation of American Christians and Palestinians, was separated and told to take off her removable cast. There is nothing admirable about a system that bases a security system based on one's ethnicity or support for a particular group's rights.

At a time when Arab-Americans and Muslim-Americans have already encountered violence, threats, vandalism, and intimidation, it is important that we not glorify systems that have been deemed barbaric from as far away as Denmark. Recently, Danes protested against the Israeli ambassador, Carmi Gillon for supportive comments of torture. Our nation is in mourning. Changes are required. But if we change our system to one that tortures people and officially discriminates against certain groups, then we will have lost our nation forever.

[CTRL] India to Allow U.S. Use of Military Facilities (fwd)


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Assalamu'alaikum

India to Allow U.S. Use of Military Facilities

http://abcnews.go.com/wire/World/reuters20010914_144.html


  By Y.P. Rajesh

  NEW DELHI (Reuters) - India will allow U.S. military forces to use
its facilities if it needs them in any operations launched in retaliation
for the terror attacks in New York and Washington, an Indian defense
ministry source said on Friday.

  "It was discussed...at the Cabinet Committee on Security yesterday
(Thursday) before it was agreed," the source said.

  "Of course, it depends on whether the U.S. wants to use our
facilities," the source told Reuters.

  Saudi-born militant Osama bin Laden, sheltered by nearby
Afghanistan's ruling Taliban movement, is a prime suspect in Tuesday's
attacks which killed thousands.

  Earlier, the Times of India newspaper quoted Defense and Foreign
Minister Jaswant Singh as saying New Delhi would provide logistical help,
or act as a staging ground, for any U.S. military operation.

  "There have been contacts at all political, executive and
operational levels about this," Singh said. He declined to give details
saying it was a "very sensitive matter."

  Washington and New Delhi, on opposite sides during the Cold War, do
not share a formal military relationship but ties between the two
countries have improved considerably over the last year.

  Defense analysts said India had to support Washington because it
also had been a victim of terrorist attacks.

  "We have a moral, political and constitutional obligation to help
fight terrorism," Jasjit Singh, a retired air commodore who heads the New
Delhi-based Institute of Defense Studies and Analyses, told Reuters.

  India is struggling to quell a 12-year-old bloody rebellion in the
Himalayan Kashmir region and is also battling violent rebels in the remote
northeastern region for the past 50 years.

  India frequently accuses Afghan mercenaries of fighting alongside
Kashmiri Muslim separatist guerrillas and allege they receive support from
bitter foe Pakistan. Over 30,000 people have been killed in the
mountainous state in violence.

  The country's capital New Delhi and provincial capitals have long
been a favorite target of rebels attacks.

  ACCESS TO AIR BASES

  The Indian defense source said he expected Washington "to ask New
Delhi for use of air bases for refueling of transport aircraft and launch
of air strikes by fighter jets."

  "Pakistan and India are the only two countries that are close to
Afghanistan for use by American forces," the source said.

  "The entire geo-political matrix of the region has changed after the
attacks this week."

  Pakistan, India's nuclear rival and one of only three countries to
recognize the Taliban government, has pledged full cooperation with the
United States in fighting terrorism.

  During the Gulf War, India allowed U.S. transport aircraft to refuel
in Bombay. That decision to help Washington sparked off a domestic
political storm in India.

  Analyst Jasjit Singh, said much had changed between now and the Gulf
War.

  "That was during the Cold War era and the U.S. had attacked another
country...with whom we had good relations," Singh told Reuters. "But that
does not mean we condoned Iraq's aggression."

  Singh said India had allowed U.S. air force aircraft to refuel at
not just in Bombay, as widely believed, but at several other airports and
air bases in the country.

  "We could not make it public then because we had 250,000 Indians
living in Kuwait and efforts were on to evacuate them," Singh said. "This
time it is not a war against a country but against terrorists and
terrorism."

  He said the move may be exploited by Muslim groups as an attack
against Islam and increase threats to India. "But I would hope other
countries will...help us out in different ways."



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[CTRL] Our Little Marxist Friends


They hate everything for which this country stands, these phoney pseudo
intellectuals who lurk on these lists while the Fat Man, Mark Pitcavage,
sometimes will let you know he is on list, as a threat.birds all of
red feathers - well maybe just pinko.

Me, I am looking for Phoenix Bird - the Great Fire Bird who might be my
Fiery Flying Dragon.

And Joshua2, you are still an asshole.   Sorry I am no great
intellectual such as you claim to be but then, I have not had much
Marxist training - and with two relatives who were CIA, well one does
have to be careful these days - for there are those of the old line, who
do a little lurking too - but by their patriotism, you shall know them.

Please pull up the following to see,  what is called The Marxist List.

Well it was a free country once but I say this it will be a cold day in
hell before this God Damned Anti Defamation who lurks and feeds off
people like Larry Flynt and Marc Rich - it will be a cold day in hell
before this garbage gets away with any more murders.   Ever see their
patrons from members of murder inc to Flynt?

Oh note the feeble attempt at intellectualism.what an asshole.

I will reproduce this one letter once again for Amelia this is the Mike
Pugliese who lurks on lists and reports to - well now that Bush is in
maybe not, and they did get that KGB/Mossad flunkee out of the pic..but
here it is - will the real Mike Pugliese please  stand up.

Saba

This is a scream.other lists on which he lurks..

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From:  Michael Pugliese <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Date:  Sat Apr 1, 2000  3:40 pm
Subject:  Fw: SNET: (Fwd:) SEATTLE II

   Very interesting. On dsanet, the Democratic Socialists of America
listserv, I got this same message, just a few hours ago, from an AFL-CIO
member in the Am. Fed. of Gov't. Workers. SNETNEWS, is a far right
anti-NWO list I lurk on, to keep up with the loons. NWO isn't the only
topic, UFO"s are another favorite. Anyway, as I found out by being on
too many other "patriot, miltia,constitutionalist" listservs, last yr.
the far right is following the anti-globalization movement of the left,
with interest. Just like the more dogmatic leninists, their rhetoric is
a dead giveaway with the conspiracy theory and paranoia. Still, I'll be
interested to hear how many Birchers and other assorted far right types
show up in Washington, D.C. for
a16.
Michael Pugliese
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[CTRL] FC: Columnist calls for Draconian Net-crackdown after attacks (fwd)

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From: Ken Brown <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: London Daily Telegraph wants to ban all crypto and invade
  Afghanistan
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Date: Fri, 14 Sep 2001 12:55:27 +0100
Organization: Birkbeck College Central Computing Services

In an opinion  column in the London Daily Telegraph, John Keegan calls
for a combined US/Russian/British invasion of Afghanistan:

http://www.dailytelegraph.co.uk:80/dt?ac=006026232037638&rtmo=pUsM4USe&atmo=rrrq&pg=/01/9/14/do01.html

He then goes on to say, and I quote:

==

"There are other current movements of which to take note, as yet
insubstantial but certain to gather concrete form. One is the retreat of
human rights lawyers from the forefront of public life. America in a war
mood will have no truck with tender concern for constitutional
safeguards of the liberty of its enemies. The other, which ordinary
Americans will have to learn to bear, is interference with their liberty
of instant electronic access to friends and services."

"The World Trade Centre outrage was co-ordinated on the internet,
without question. If Washington is serious in its determination to
eliminate terrorism, it will have to forbid internet providers to allow
the transmission of encrypted messages - now encoded by public key
ciphers that are unbreakable even by the National Security Agency's
computers - and close down any provider that refuses to comply."

"Uncompliant providers on foreign territory should expect their
buildings to be destroyed by cruise missiles. Once the internet is
implicated in the killing of Americans, its high-rolling days may be
reckoned to be over."

==

The "Torygraph" is the most conservative of Britain's serious
newspapers, and is edited from (IIRC) the 30th floor of London's tallest
office tower, which overlooks London City Airport,  from which STOL
planes take off pointing straight at the tower. I know, I've been there
myself, it scared me then.  Their fear is excusable. Their
bloodthirstiness is understandable. Their stupidity is neither.

Ken Brown

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[CTRL] FC: U.K. government asks Net providers to record, store all data (fwd)


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http://www.siliconvalley.com/docs/news/tech/029760.htm

LONDON (AP) British authorities have asked all phone companies and Internet
service providers to preserve communications data stored Tuesday in case
they contain important clues to the identity of the terrorists who attacked
Washington and New York.
The National High-Tech Crime Unit, set up earlier this year to fight crime
related to information technology, said data stored Tuesday may hold vital
evidence about those responsible for the devastating attacks on the World
Trade Center and Pentagon.
``By working swiftly to contact the communications service providers in the
U.K., I hope that we will be able to offer valuable assistance to U.S.
authorities in investigating the appalling events of recent days,'' said
Detective Chief Superintendent Len Hynds, head of the London-based unit.
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[CTRL] Ted Olson On FoxNews

Has anyone seen his interview w/ whatshisface...Hume, Brit Hume??
God is this guy dispassionate...cold...robotic, no! Not Hume, that's a given, I mean Olson, the "grieving" widower...

Is THAT how good conservatives grieve?
Is THAT how they mourn for their "loved" one?

From what I could see this Olson dick is an asshole of the highest order, and granted his wife was a bitchy shill for the GOP but you'd figure a guy like Theodore would love and miss that!

But from what I could tell this guy was quietly celebratory...almost relieved!

Did he know this was imminent?
Did he insist she was on THAT flight??

Makes one wonder!

So now this cold prick is our Solicitor General, a cold NWO general who sends his wife off to slaughter in order to advance his cause.

Fuck him!

Bill.

[CTRL] [PalestineDiary] YIIIIIII!!!!!!!! (fwd)


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God Gave U.S. 'What We Deserve,' Falwell Says

By John F. Harris



Television evangelists Jerry Falwell and Pat Robertson, two of the most
prominent voices of the religious right, said liberal civil liberties
groups, feminists, homosexuals and abortion rights supporters bear partial
responsibility for Tuesday's terrorist attacks because their actions have
turned God's anger against America.


"God continues to lift the curtain and allow the enemies of America to give
us probably what we deserve," said Falwell, appearing yesterday on the
Christian Broadcasting Network's "700 Club," hosted by Robertson.


"Jerry, that's my feeling," Robertson responded. "I think we've just seen
the antechamber to terror. We haven't even begun to see what they can do to
the major population."


Falwell said the American Civil Liberties Union has "got to take a lot of
blame for this," again winning Robertson's agreement: "Well, yes."


Then Falwell broadened his blast to include the federal courts and others
who he said were "throwing God out of the public square." He added: "The
abortionists have got to bear some burden for this because God will not be
mocked. And when we destroy 40 million little innocent babies, we make God
mad. I really believe that the pagans, and the abortionists, and the
feminists, and the gays and the lesbians who are actively trying to make
that an alternative lifestyle, the ACLU, People for the American Way -- all
of them who have tried to secularize America -- I point the finger in their
face and say, 'You helped this happen.' "


People for the American Way transcribed the broadcast and denounced the
comments as running directly counter to President Bush's call for national
unity. Ralph G. Neas, the liberal group's president, called the remarks
"absolutely inappropriate and irresponsible."


Robertson and others on the religious right gave critical backing to Bush
last year when he was battling for the GOP presidential nomination. A White
House official called the remarks "inappropriate" and added, "The president
does not share those views."


Falwell was unrepentant, saying in an interview that he was "making a
theological statement, not a legal statement."


"I put all the blame legally and morally on the actions of the terrorist,"
he said. But he said America's "secular and anti-Christian environment left
us open to our Lord's [decision] not to protect. When a nation deserts God
and expels God from the culture . . . the result is not good."


Robertson was not available for comment, a spokeswoman said. But she
released a statement echoing the remarks he made on his show. An ACLU
spokeswoman said the group "will not dignify the Falwell-Robertson remarks
with a comment."









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[CTRL] Washington Post: Bush approval at 91 percent

2001-09-14 Thread tnohava




 http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/articles/A28252-2001Sep13.html

Americans Approve of Bush's Handling of Crisis


By Richard Morin and Claudia Deane
Washington Post Staff Writers
Thursday, September 13, 2001; 11:18 PM


Americans have rallied behind President Bush, strongly endorsing the way his
administration has responded to Tuesday's terrorist attacks and sending his
job approval rating soaring, according to a new Washington Post-ABC News
poll.

Nearly nine in 10 Americans  86 percent  said they approved of the job
that Bush was doing as president, up 31 points from a Post-ABC News poll
conducted last weekend. An even larger proportion  91 percent 
specifically said the president was doing a good job directing the nation's
response to the murderous assaults on the Pentagon and World Trade Center.

The survey also found that a strong majority currently is prepared to accept
a long war with many U.S. military casualties. And nearly everyone said they
would accept the longer waits and additional inconvenience that are expected
at the nation's airports as a result of the strict new anti-hijacking
measures imposed by the federal government.

At the same time, a growing proportion of Americans think the government
could have done more to prevent Tuesday's attacks. And more than four in 10
acknowledge the incidents will probably make them "more suspicious of people
you think are of Arab descent"  a finding that underscores the president's
plea to the nation yesterday to avoid mistreating Arab-Americans.

A total of 609 randomly selected adults were interviewed Thursday night for
this survey. Margin of sampling error for the overall results is plus or
minus four percentage points. The practical difficulties of conducting a
survey in a single night represent an additional potential source of error.

In less than a week, Bush's job approval rating has jumped from 55 percent
to 86 percent, nearly equaling his father's job rating at the end of the
1991 Persian Gulf War  a short-lived spike that quickly fell as an economic
recession settled in.

Even some of the president's detractors say they've been impressed with the
way Bush has handled himself in the current crisis.

"I'm very surprised, I think he's doing very well," said Dawn Caudill, 30,
of Lennon, Mich. "I think he's trying to find who was responsible before
acting, and not just going right in to blow up entire towns."

War fever continues to build, the Post-ABC News survey found. Nearly nine in
10 supported taking military action against groups or nations responsible
for the tragedies  even if it led to war.

"We have no choice, we're at war," said Rodney Forsberg, 43, of Dacula, Ga.
"Any thinking American dreads war, but here again we don't have a choice 
we're in for a big one."

Three in four said they would support going to war even if it meant
"innocent civilians in other countries might be hurt or killed." Seven in 10
said they would support the United States taking aggressive military action
even if the result was "a long war with large numbers of U.S. troops killed
or injured."

Even the prospect of a long and bloody war with civilian casualties did not
dissuade Mable Kerr, 63, of Fayetteville, Arkansas. "In any war people are
going to get killed, American soldiers and civilians alike," Kerr said.
"That's what war is all about."

An overwhelming majority  85 percent  of Americans also support military
strikes against Afghanistan if its leaders refuse to turn over Osama bin
Laden, the fugitive terrorist who is suspected of playing a key role in
Tuesday's attacks.

The poll also points to a possible backlash against Arab-Americans. Overall,
a majority of respondents  56 percent  said their view of Arabs would not
change, while 44 percent said the attacks might heighten their suspicions of
people who they think are of Arab descent.

Nicole McDowell, 31, of Thornton, Colorado, was quick to put her
apprehensions in context.

"I don't want to be too suspicious, because I don't want to be prejudiced,
and I'm not prejudiced," McDowell said. "Just in general, out in public, I
probably won't be suspicious. But I think yes, in airports, I probably might
be a little more suspicious."

At least for now, Americans say they are willing to make personal sacrifices
to curb terrorism. Seven in 10 said they would support new laws that would
make it easier for the FBI and other authorities to investigate suspected
terrorists, even if it meant "giving up some of Americans' personal
liberties and privacy." And 87 percent strongly supported new strict airport
security measures "even if they cause long delays in air travel."

The number of Americans who think tougher security measures should have been
implemented prior to a disaster happening also seems to be on the rise. A
majority  65 percent  now say the United States could have done more to
prevent the recent attacks, up from 43 percent in a Post-ABC News survey
Tuesday night.

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[CTRL] Amelia, that is another Michael Pugliese!!!

2001-09-14 Thread michael pugliese


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   Heh, I've seen that one before, btw, an Adam Levenstein, a
Trostskyist, sent it to me a while ago.
   If, you are gonna look for more of me, here are some other
Pugliese's that are not me either!
Michael Pugliese that played piano and other instruments on recordings
of the late avante-garde modern classical composer, John Cage.
Look for, "Perkin' at Merkins."
   At CSU, Hayward there is a Professor Pugliese, not me either.
And, I'm not the son of
Stanislao Pugliese at Hofstra University thaat wrote a good book
on an Italian anti-fascist, Carlo Roselli.
   As for Floyd, I know these racist websites a helluva lot better
than you. Give it up.
I've spent probably hundreds of hours in the last two yrs. looking
at all the one that are archived for example on The Hate Directory
webpg. Though once you've seen one website raving about the ZOG
and the Illuminati you can feel like you've seen them all.
   And, as for racism and black pride, white pride and all that...Joshua
is right, if you look at the class structure
(to revert back to collegiate neo-marxism, think, bourgeoisie,
petty-bourgeoisie and proletariat, guess what class people of
color and 95% of white people are?
You win the Buick if you say Working Class.) But, America's original
Sin is racism against Blacks and Indians/Native Americans and
that has a complex relationship with the dynamics of a capitalist
social formation. In Althusserian terms, it is overdetermined.
Need me to explicate all this? I'd be happy to but, in the meantime
read a simple comic book like Marx for Beginners since you don't
strike me as one that would sit down with the three volumes of
capital and the Grundrisee trying to untangle all the complex
verbiage about surplus value, the organic composition of capital,
the tendency for the rate of profit to fall given that rising
organic composition of capital (briefly, the rising proportion
of technological investments vis a vis the the wages paid to
labor).
  Bla, bla bla, as they say.
Michael Pugliese

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[CTRL] Encryption Crackdown Imminent

As Samantha (what a pretty name!!) said...let the game of "strip us of civil liberties" begin!!! 
Bill.



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Senator calls for encryption crackdown

 By Wendy McAuliffe
September 14, 2001 11:33 AM PT

The horror of Tuesday's coordinated attacks on the commercial and military centers of America has prompted the U.S. Congress to call for a global ban on "uncrackable" encryption products.

Speaking in the U.S. Senate on Thursday, Senator Judd Gregg proposed tighter restrictions on software that scrambles electronic data and often hinders a government's ability to obtain valuable criminal intelligence.

"This is something that we need international cooperation on, and we need to have movement in order to get the information that allows us to anticipate and prevent what occurred in New York and in Washington," said Gregg, according to a report obtained by Wired.com.

Reports this week have suggested that the FBI believes sophisticated encryption techniques were used to coordinate the terrorist attacks on the World Trade Center and the Pentagon.

[CTRL] U.S. vs. Afghanistan? Smart Money On Afghanistan!

http://www.overthrow.com/lsn/news.asp?fileName=lsn20010914111743.html



Despite Genocide, Britain and Russia Failed To Conquer Afghanistan

The lesson of history: Afghanistan always beats its invaders9/14/01 11:17:43 AM

London Independent
London, England -- The lesson of history: Afghanistan always beats its invaders

By Robert Fisk

14 September 2001

On the heights of the Kabul Gorge, they still find ancient belt buckles and 
corroded sword hilts. You can no longer read the insignia of the British 
regiments of the old East India Company but their bones – those of all 16,000 
of them – still lie somewhere amid the dark earth and scree of the most 
forbidding mountains in Afghanistan. Like the British who came later, like the 
Russians who were to arrive more than a century afterwards, General William 
Elphinstone's campaign was surrounded with rhetoric and high principles and 
ended in disaster. George Bush Junior and Nato, please note.

Indeed, if there is one country – calling it a nation would be a misnomer – 
that the West should avoid militarily, it is the tribal land in which Osama Bin 
Laden maintains his obscure sanctuary. Just over two decades ago, I found out 
what it was like to be on an invasion army in that breathlessly beautiful, 
wild, proud plateau. Arrested by the Russian Parachute Regiment near the Salang 
Tunnel, I was sent with a Soviet convoy back to Kabul. We were ambushed, and 
out of the snowdrifts came the Afghans, carrying knives. An air strike and the 
arrival of Soviet Tadjik troops saved us. But the mighty Red Army had been 
humbled before men who could not write their own names and whose politics were 
so remote that a mujahid fighter would later insist to me that London was 
occupied by Russian troops.

Back in 1839 we British were also worried about the Russians. General 
Elphinstone lead an East India Company army of 16,500 – along with 38,000 
followers – into Afghanistan, anxious to put an end to Dost Mohamed's 
flirtation with the Tsar, took Kandahar and entered Kabul on 30 June with the 
first foreign force to occupy the city in modern times. Dost Mohamed – the 
British Superpower of the time knew how to deal with recalcitrant natives – was 
dispatched to exile in India, but the Afghans were not prepared to be placed 
under British tutelage. To garrison a foreign army in Kabul was folly, as 
Elphinstone must have realised when, on 1 November, 1840, a British official, 
Alexander Burns, was hacked to pieces by a mob in the souk and his head impaled 
on a stake. A 300-strong British unit in the field fled for its life back to 
Kabul. And when Dost Mohamed's son turned up, leading an Afghan army of 30,000, 
Elphinstone was doomed.

He bartered his freedom in return for a safe passage back to the British fort 
in Jalalabad, close to the Indian frontier. It was one of the coldest winters 
on record and with few supplies, virtually no food and false promises of 
safety, he led his army – their columns 10 miles in length – out into the 
frozen desolation of the Kabul Gorge. The camp followers were left by the 
wayside; contemporary records describe Indian women attached to the British 
army's colonial force, stripped naked, starving, raped and knifed by Afghan 
tribesmen, their corpses left in the snow. Elphinstone had long since given up 
trying to protect them. Yet each new foray down the chasm of the Kabul Gorge – 
I was to see the remains of a Russian convoy littered across the same track 
almost 140 years later – led to further ambushes and massacres.

Elphinstone secured the safety of himself, a few officers and a party of 
English ladies. The last British guardsmen were cut down on the heights, 
surrounded by thousands of Afghans, firing to the last round, the company 
commander dying with the Union flag wrapped around his waist. Days later, the 
last survivor of the massacres, galloping his exhausted horse Jalalabad was 
attacked by two Afghan cavalry. Hacking them away from him, he broke his sword, 
Hollywood-style, on one of the men. But with his horse dying beneath him, he 
reached the British fort. It was to date the greatest defeat of British arms in 
history.

The British clung to Afghanistan as if it was a jewel in the crown. Under the 
Treaty of Gandamak, the Amir Yakub Khan could rule Kabul and a British embassy 
would be opened in the city. But within months, in 1879, the residency was 
under siege, its few occupants fighting – once more – to the last man. With the 
embassy on fire, the handful of Britons inside made repeated forays into the 
ranks of the Afghans. "When charged,'' a later British account would 
claim, "the Afghan soldiers ran like sheep before a wolf". But within hours, 
the British were fighting from the burning roof of the residency, slashed to 
bits with swords, stripped and their bodies burned. The Consul, born to a 
French father and an Irish mother, was Major Sir Pierre Louis Napoleon 
Cavagnari, KCB, CSI. A British journalist with

[CTRL] Hijacking Clues Red Herrings?

www.stratfor.com

Bill>

Hijacking Clues May Be Red Herrings
2130 GMT, 010913

Summary

The terrorists who attacked the World Trade Center and Pentagon Sept. 11 practiced near-perfect operational planning, coordination and execution before their mission but left behind obvious evidence leading to other operatives who may have supported the hijackings. This begs the question of whether these evidence trails were intentionally left in order to distract U.S. law enforcement from other terrorists.

Analysis

U.S. authorities have identified as many as 50 infiltrators who allegedly supported or carried out the strikes against the World Trade Center and Pentagon Sept. 11, according to The Los Angeles Times. About 40 of the suspects have been accounted for, including those killed in the suicide attacks, but 10 reportedly remain at large.

The terrorist cells demonstrated incredible sophistication and coordination in preparing and executing the attacks, but they left an astonishing amount of clues in their wake -- some that may lead to accomplices still operating in the United States. It is possible the perpetrators intentionally left some incriminating material to divert FBI attention, making it easier for additional terrorists to leave the country or carry out further operations.

The FBI has identified dozens of suspects by using conventional police techniques, such as cross-referencing passenger lists with the Immigration and Naturalization Service "watch list." Agents in Boston also questioned a man who held a credit card used to purchase plane tickets for seven of the suspected hijackers.

In Florida FBI agents were drawn to a flight school, where some of the suspects allegedly trained, after finding the school's name and an Arabic-language flight manual in a car left at Logan International Airport in Boston. Also, in Germany an airport worker of Moroccan origin was detained after he was found in an apartment that had been used by an Arab man on the passenger list of one of the hijacked planes, Reuters reported.

The relative ease with which the clues have been uncovered and what would appear to be obvious mistakes on the part of the suspects, such as holding onto "dirty" credit cards, are inconsistent with the near perfect planning and execution before and during the attack.

The attackers knew how to avoid detection by the National Security Agency and other technical intelligence outfits while organizing outside the United States. They also knew how to avoid suspicion once in the United States. That means they had a sophisticated understanding of how U.S. intelligence works and the discipline to avoid triggering suspicion.

It is nearly unbelievable that an organization capable of carrying out such a complex operation would leave behind relatively obvious evidence. Even though the suicide hijackers had little to lose, they would want to delay the FBI's investigation -- and the inevitable U.S. military response.

There are also unconfirmed reports that pictures of Saudi dissident Osama bin Laden, widely viewed as a prime suspect in the attacks, and copies of the Quran were left in rental vehicles used by the suspects. For intelligence operatives who earlier exhibited remarkable skill, such theatrics do not make sense.

A likely possibility is that the hijackers intentionally left material designed to provide the FBI with an obvious trail leading to low-level operatives with limited knowledge of the attack or its sponsors. While authorities are preoccupied on this investigative track, the real masterminds of the attack could flee detection and plan more operations.

A similar situation was alleged to have occurred following the bombing of the World Trade Center in 1993. Ramzi Ahmed Yousef, the alleged planner of the attack, flew from New York to Pakistan the day of the explosion, leaving at least two accomplices behind.

Neither of the two men held any useful information about the operation or Yousef, and one was arrested after he foolishly returned to the rental agency to pick up his deposit on a van used in the attack. U.S. authorities pursued a case against the two conspirators, while Yousef's involvement was only discovered by the FBI because of the efforts of the Egyptian police.

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Interview conducted by Jared Israel around noon, 13 September, 2001.

Israel: Hello

Dekkers: Hello

Israel: Hi, is this Huffman Aviation?

Dekkers: Sorry. I was taking an outside line. Yes this is Huffman Aviation.

Israel: You're probably getting 3 million calls, right?

Dekkers: No, five million.

Israel: Ok, I'm going to keep you on for ten seconds. I just have a very quick 
question to ask you. Emperors-Clothes, we're a news Website. Do you train people on 
the actual planes that were used in that horrible thing in NY?

Dekkers: No sir. We train small single engine, small multi-engine airplanes. And they 
are good for four people; that's it. That's not turbine. Total different systems. Not 
capable to fly anything like that. I have learned yesterday from the media - you are 
talking to Rudi Dekkers.

Israel: Could you spell your name?

Dekkers: R-u-d-i D-e-k-k-e-r-s.

Israel: And you're talking to Jared Israel at Emperor's Clothes which is at 
www.tenc.net and is very skeptical about the story because it didn't make sense.

Dekkers: No, what happened was after the training they had here they went to another 
flight school in Popana Beach and they had jet training there, simulator or big 
planes, but there is where they conducted the training to do what they had to do.

Israel: Are you sure of that?

Dekkers: Yeah we have heard that from several directions.

Israel: But even so, with the training you would get would you trust somebody to get 
in a plane and fly?

Dekkers: No, I fly 20 years in these kind of small planes and I would not do for a 
million dollars to take over that cockpit.

Israel: So it's still questionable, isn't it?

Dekkers: Oh, you bet. (Phone rings.) One second...(Off line) Larry, Larry keep on the 
line I have 30 seconds and then I am with you...(Back on line) 30 seconds.

Israel: Yes. You're very helpful. Your point is the more sophisticated training with 
the other place but that might give you a certificate but would you trust somebody to 
do the kind of sophisticated thing they did?

Dekkers: No they didn't have the certificate to do that. They only had only a 
multi-commercial license but not for commercial airlines. That is a different license. 
But these people didn't need a license, so that's another question.

Israel: But wouldn't what they did require sophistication?

Dekkers: Yeah, they want to that school, I have heard the name, they call it a jet 
center for simulator training, there is no way - this is not my opinion. My opinion is 
I don't think it is possible. I have spoken to many captains from the airlines and 
they say there is no way what the planes did they could have done that. They changed 
altitude. They changed speed. They changed direction. They had to know about the 
equipment to do what they had to do and there is no way that could have been done.

***

Further Reading:

:

1) Rick Rozoff takes a critical look at Washington's response to Tuesday's tragedies 
in 'Bush's Press Conference: Into the Abyss' at 
http://emperors-clothes.com/articles/rozoff/abyss.htm

2) While Washington points to Osama bin Laden as "suspect # 1" in yesterday's horrific 
violence, the truth is not being told to the American people: 'Washington Created 
Osama bin Laden' by Jared Israel can be read at 
http://emperors-clothes.com/articles/jared/madein.htm

3) If one looks carefully, one can find in the Western media evidence that bin Laden 
has been involved - on the U.S.-backed side - in Kosovo, Bosnia and now Macedonia. Can 
be read at http://emperors-clothes.com/news/binl.htm

4) Bin Laden was propelled into power as part of the U.S. drive to create an Islamist 
terrorist movement to crush the former Soviet Union. See, the truly amazing account 
from the 'Washington Post,' 'Washington's Backing of Afghan Terrorists: Deliberate 
Policy.' at http://emperors-clothes.com/docs/anatomy.htm

5) Head of Russian Navy says official scenario couldn't have happened. See 'Russian 
Navy Chief Says Official 9-11 Story Impossible' at 
http://emperors-clothes.com/news/navy.htm


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  $40 Billion OK'd to Fight Terrorism

  By ALAN FRAM, Associated Press Writer

  WASHINGTON (AP) - White House officials and congressional leaders agreed
early
  Friday to final details of a $40 billion package to combat terrorism and
recover from attacks
  on the World Trade Center and the Pentagon (news - web sites). The figure
was double
  what President Bush (news - web sites) requested.

  Determined to show a united front, lawmakers also seemed to be nearing
agreement on a
  separate measure that would back the use of ``necessary and appropriate
force'' by
  President Bush against the people responsible for Tuesday's attacks. House
Speaker
  Dennis Hastert, R-Ill., said the House could consider that bill as early as
Friday.

  Hastert said the two sides agreed to drop earlier language opposed by some
lawmakers
  that would also have approved use of force by Bush to ``deter and pre-empt
any related
  future acts of terrorism or aggression against the United States.''
Opponents said that would
  have gone too far in eliminating Congress' role in future incidents.

  Leaders hoped to push the spending measure through the House as early as
Friday, with the
  Senate to follow. A Saturday session of Congress was looking increasingly
likely.

  At a Capitol meeting that ran past midnight Thursday, top lawmakers and
White House
  officials agreed that half the package would be available virtually
immediately, and half after
  details are spelled out in subsequent legislation. Administration officials
had hoped Congress
  would approve the measure in time for Bush to tout it when he visits New
York on Friday.

  Even so, approval of such a vast sum just days after Tuesday's calamitous
events would be
  lightning speed for a Congress that usually takes weeks or months to
approve money for
  anything.

  ``We are shoulder to shoulder. We are in complete agreement that we will
act together as
  one,'' said House Democratic Leader Dick Gephardt of Missouri.

  Earlier, Hastert had said Bush agreed to sign the $40 billion measure after
meeting at the
  White House with New York lawmakers.

  ``There is a unanimous understanding that whatever we do this week is a
very minimal down
  payment to what will be required and what we will do in the days and weeks
ahead,'' said
  Senate Majority Leader Tom Daschle, D-S.D.

  The spending agreement was worked out late in the afternoon, minutes before
the Capitol
  was evacuated for about a half hour after bomb-sniffing dogs detected a
suspicious odor in
  a Senate office.

  Lawmakers from New York - where the brunt of the casualties and damage
occurred when
  the World Trade Center was obliterated - sought a commitment Thursday from
Bush for
  $20 billion to aid the state's recovery.

  Instead, the bill's final version would require that at least half the $40
billion aid victims and
  their families, and pay for recovery efforts. That money would most likely
be spent in New
  York, Virginia and Pennsylvania, where Tuesday's fourth hijacked airliner
crashed.

  In a day marked by several bipartisan meetings - unusual in themselves -
Democratic and
  Republican leaders traveled together across the Potomac River to view
rescue and recovery
  efforts at the Pentagon.

  In broadly worded language, the $40 billion would go to attack victims;
costs by the federal
  and local governments for the rescue, cleanup and rebuilding efforts; and
improved security
  for transportation systems.

  It could also be used ``to counter, investigate or prosecute domestic or
international
  terrorism'' and for ``supporting national security'' - which could give
Bush wide leeway to
  use funds to strike back at terrorists and their supporters.

  Both parties also seemed eager to approve separate legislation endorsing a
presidential use
  of force against those responsible for the attacks.

  ``It is always wiser to demonstrate national unity'' by showing Congress
supports such
  action, said Senate Foreign Relations Committee Chairman Joseph Biden,
D-Del.

  Participants said completion of that bill could slip to next week,
complicated by the age-old
  jealously between the two branches of government over the power to wage
war.

  In 1964, Congress approved the Gulf of Tonkin resolution authorizing
President Johnson
  ``to take all necessary measures'' to protect U.S. forces and prevent
aggression. Johnson
  and subsequent presidents used that resolution to wage the Vietnam War, to
the subsequent
  regret of many lawmakers.

  The Constitution gives the president, as commander in chief, authority to
wage war while
  leaving Congress the power to declare war.

  Bush formally requested the $20 billion earlier Thursday - roughly
one-third of what it cost
  for the 1991 Persian Gulf War (news - web sites), and about what Congress
provided for
  the Justice Department

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  Pakistan Closes Capital Airport in Pre-Dawn Hours

 ISLAMABAD (Reuters) - Pakistan's army closed Islamabad
 International Airport to commercial flights for two and
half hours
 before dawn on Friday for movement of military equipment,
 officials at the aviation regulatory body said.

 ``It was a unscheduled closure...and there was some very
intense
 movement of military hardware,'' a senior official of
the Civil
 Aviation Authority told Reuters.

 He said the airport was sealed off from 4 a.m. to 6:30
a.m. local
 time.

 An official of state-run Pakistan International Airlines
(PIA) said
 two of its scheduled flights to Islamabad were diverted
to Karachi
 because of the closure.

 Saulat Raza, director of the military's Inter-Services
Public
 Relations department, declined to comment and it was not
clear if
 the closure was linked to possible U.S. retaliation on
Afghanistan
 (news - web sites) for the terror attacks on Washington
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[CTRL] Netanyahu on defeating terrorism


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  Former Israeli leader: Islamic militants will use
  nukes if they possibly can


  In an interview with Brit Hume on the Fox News
  Channel Wednesday, former Israeli Prime Minister
  Benjamin Netanyahu explained what will be required
  of the United States to effectively counter the threat
  of further Islamic terrorist attacks on the American
  mainland.


  Â© 2001 Fox News Channel

  HUME: Many of us have been wondering how these
  terrorist attacks could have been planned and
  implemented without any warning. Well, former Israeli
  Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu predicted something
  very close to this could happen in his 1995 book,
  "Fighting Terrorism," subtitled "How Democracies Can
  Defeat Domestic and International Terrorists."

  He wrote of the terrorist networks - quote - "Such
  groups nullify, in large measure, the need to have air
  power or intercontinental missiles as delivery systems.
  For an Islamic nuclear payload, they will be the delivery
  system. In the worst of such scenarios," he added, "the
  consequences could not be a car bomb, but a nuclear
  bomb in the basement of the World Trade Center."
  Benjamin Netanyahu joins us now live from Jerusalem.

  Mr. Netanyahu, thank you very much for joining us.

  Obviously, this was not a nuclear bomb in the basement,
  but it destroyed the World Trade Center just as certainly
  as if it were. Give us, if you will, your thoughts about
  these terrorist networks â¦ how the United States should
  regard them and what kind of action the United States
  should take?

  NETANYAHU: Well, I think first that I have to say that,
  if any people in the world can identify with the horror and
  grief of the people of the United States, it's the people of
  Israel.

  We've been on the frontline fighting this terrorism for
  many years. But now the forces of militant Islamic terror
  have struck in the heart of the free world. And that's
  precisely what we have here. We have here a battle
  between the forces of freedom and the forces of tyranny,
  between the forces of democracy and the forces of
  terrorism.

  It is not accidental. Arafat can shed crocodile tears and
  donate his blood. He's been shedding innocent blood -
  including innocent American blood - for decades. And
  he's been sponsoring these kindergarten suicide bombers.

  HUME: You don't think Yasser Arafat is behind these
  attacks, do you?

  NETANYAHU: I think what we have - and you alluded
  to this - is a network of terror. There is an empire of
  terror. There are chiefdoms. Arafat has his own
  chiefdoms. Bin Laden has his own chiefdom. The
  Hezbollah in Lebanon have their chiefdom. There is
  Hamas and Islamic Jihad working under Arafat's
  chiefdom.

  And they enjoy the support and sponsorship in close
  cooperation with such sovereign states as Iraq and Iran,
  havens in Afghanistan and other Middle Eastern regimes.
  They work together, both in material support and of
  course political support. We saw that in Durban the other
  day.

  I think that what is important is this: Bin Laden or
  whoever committed this is not floating in the air. He
  comes back to the Middle East. He is not suspended in
  space. He comes back to the territory of this terror
  empire.

  So I think what is required right now is for the United
  States not merely to seek out the specific perpetrator
  here, but to go and dismantle the entire evil empire of
  terrorism, because, if we don't, what I wrote in 1995,
  while it didn't come to fruition in precisely the way - they
  didn't plant a nuclear bomb in the twin towers - they
  used a 350-ton conventional bomb.

  But these regimes that are p

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NewsMax.com Wires
Wednesday, Sept. 12, 2001

   WASHINGTON - Here is the timeline of events in Tuesday's
terrorist
   attacks.

   8:45 a.m.: American Airlines Flight 11, carrying 81
passengers and
   11 crew members, crashes into the north tower of the World
Trade
   Center in Manhattan. The flight was en route from Boston
to Los
   Angeles.

   9:03 a.m.: United Airlines Flight 175 from Boston to Los
Angeles,
   with 56 passengers and nine crew members on board, crashed
into
   the south tower. The Boeing 767 aircraft had departed Logan
   International Airport at 7:58 a.m. The airline said, "Last
radar
   contact with the aircraft was between Newark, N.J., and
   Philadelphia."

   9:17 a.m.: The Federal Aviation Administration shuts down
all five
   airports in the New York City area.

   9:30 a.m.: President Bush, speaking in Sarasota, Fla.,
says the U.S.
   has suffered an "apparent terrorist attack."

   9:39 a.m.: An American Airlines Flight 77, highjacked from
Dulles
   International Airport outside of Washington, was flown
into the
   Pentagon. The flight had 58 passengers, four flight
attendants and
   two pilots aboard. American Airlines said the jet, a 757,
had been
   scheduled to leave Dulles at 8:10 a.m.

   9:40 a.m.: The Federal Aviation Administration issued a
National
   Ground Stop across the country Tuesday, a spokeswoman
said. All
   flights nationwide were grounded.

   9:45 a.m.: The White House is evacuated.

   9:57 a.m.: Bush departs Florida for Barksdale Air Force
Base in
   Louisiana.

   10:05 a.m.: The south tower of the World Trade Center
collapses.

   10:10 a.m.: Part of the Pentagon collapses.

   10:10 a.m.: United Airlines Flight 93, en route from
Newark, N.J., to
   San Francisco with 38 passengers, two pilots and five
flight
   attendants aboard, crashes about 60 miles southeast of
Pittsburgh.
   Authorities said there were no survivors.

   10:13 a.m.: The 39-story United Nations building is
evacuated. A
   total of 11,7000 people were evacuated "as a precautionary
   measure," a U.N. spokeswoman said.

   10:24: The FAA announces that all inbound trans-Atlantic
aircraft
   into the United States are being diverted to Canada.

   10:28 a.m.: The World Trade Center's north tower collapses
from
   the top down.

   10:45 a.m.: All federal office buildings in Washington are
evacuated.

   10:52 a.m.: Washington-area airports have been closed, a
Federal
   Aviation Administration spokeswoman says.

   10:53 a.m.: New York's primary elections scheduled for
today are
   postponed.

   11:02 a.m.: New York City Mayor Rudy Giuliani orders the
   evacuation of the area south of the World Trade Center.

   11:18 a.m.: American Airlines says it has lost two planes.
The airline
   says American Flight 11, a Boeing 767, en route from
Boston to Los
   Angeles, and Flight 77, a Boeing 757 flying from Dulles
Airport to
   San Francisco, had crashed.

   11:26 a.m.: United Airlines announces the crash of United
Flight 93
   southeast of Pittsburgh.

   11:59 a.m.: United Airlines confirms that Flight 175 has
crashed with
   56 passengers and nine crew members aboard.

   1:04 p.m.: Bush, speaking from Barksdale Air Force Base,
La.,
   says the U.S. military has been put on high alert
worldwide. He asks
   for prayers for those killed or wounded in the attacks.
"Make no
   mistake, the United States will hunt down and punish those
   responsible for these cowardly acts," he said.

   1:48 p.m.: Bush leaves Barksdale aboard Air Force One and
flies to
   Offutt Air Force Base in Omaha, Neb.

   6:41 p.m.: Defense Secretary Donald Rumsfeld holds a news
   conference at the Pentagon. Rumsfeld announces the
Pentagon will
   reopen for business today.

   6:54 p.m.: Bush returns t

Re: [CTRL] WTC - Microsoft codes

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On Fri, 14 Sep 2001, Damaeus wrote:
>> Write NYC in MS-Word and change its font to wingdings. What about
>>that thumb up?
>
>Try it with the Webdings font.  Just as strange, but a little more
>positive.

Also positive is doing it in the MS Outlook font; with that font, the "N"
turns into an eye, the "Y" turns into a heart, and the "C" turns into a
silhouette of the NYC skyline -- "I love NY"

If you do "WTC" in Wingdings, you get a celtic cross, a snowflake, and
the 'thumbs up' sign...I'll leave the interpretation of THAT to each
person's imagination...

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NewsMax.com Wires
Friday, September 14, 2001

   WASHINGTON -- A former CIA chief sees the hand of Iraq
behind
   Tuesday's attacks, and he warned the White House not to
shirk the
   hard realities of possible state sponsorship.

   "First of all we have to find out who did this thing," R.
James
   Woolsey told United Press International in a phone
interview
   Thursday.

   But he said the Bush administration must "undo the
mistakes of the
   Clinton administration and not just look at loose
associations of
   terrorists or a terrorist group" such as that of Osama bin
Laden's al
   Qaida, but also at the serious ramifications of possible
state
   involvement.

   Woolsey served as director of central intelligence in the
first Clinton
   administration from Feb. 5, 1993 to Jan. 10, 1995. He and
Clinton
   were not close. In 1996 the hawkish Democrat endorsed GOP
   presidential candidate Bob Dole.

   The Washington power lawyer told UPI that he is not sure
that Iraq is
   involved in the attacks, but added: "What we don't want to
do is what
   the Clinton administration did and put blinders on about
state
   involvement by focusing just on a terrorist group."

   To do so, he said, is to risk falling into a trap laid by
bin Laden and
   Iraqi dictator Saddam Hussein.

   "Why else would (bin Laden) issue fatwas (Islamic edicts)
and put
   out videotapes and chant poems and have all his
subordinates
   come up on networks where they know they're being listened
to and
   all talk about how they're carrying out terrorist
operations?" Woolsey
   asked.

   He suggested that Saddam Hussein could be "sitting there
grinning
   with bin Laden, saying: 'This is good for both of us. I
don't get
   blamed, and you get the credit you want.'"

   In criticizing the Clinton administration, Woolsey
referred to a series
   of plots in New York City in the early 1990s, notably the
initial
   bombing of the World Trade Center on Feb. 26, 1993. Two
factors
   were at work, he said.

   The first was the facts of the various bomb plots were
unclear but
   that prosecutors had blurred the distinctions for their
own purposes.
   "It was easier for the prosecution to get convictions of
all of the
   people who might have been involved in any of these plots
in New
   York if they folded all the charges together under the
Seditious
   Conspiracy Law and said it was all one conspiracy,"
Woolsey told
   UPI.

   "If it's all one conspiracy inspired by the blind sheikh,"
he said,
   referring to so-call mastermind Omar Abd Al-Rahman - "that
is, the
   World Trade Center, and the effort to blow up the Holland
Tunnel, the
   Lincoln Tunnel and the U.N., etc. - it confuses things for
a jury to
   come in and say, 'And by the way, the Iraqi government was
also
   involved.'"

   The second important factor, Woolsey said, was that the
Clinton
   administration "was less than enthusiastic about having
   confrontations with Saddam" in which American casualties
might be
   incurred. "So I think there is a real chance that Iraqi
government
   sponsorship was overlooked."

   Woolsey commended Laurie Mylroie's opinion essay "Bin Laden
   Isn't Only One to Blame," which appeared in Thursday's
editions of
   the Wall Street Journal, as well as "Getting Serious," the
   newspaper's accompanying editorial.

   He said that his essay "The Iraqi Connection: Blood
Baath," which
   appeared latter Thursday on the New Republic Online,
"takes off
   from some of Laurie's work on the '93 bombing of the World
Trade
   Center, and suggests that the U.S. government now should
go back
   and look hard at the possibility that there was Iraqi
government
   involvement in that.

   "And if the Iraqis were involved in '93 and have gotten
away with it
   for eight years, and then laun

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 Gen. Singlaub: Prepare for Biological, Chemical Attacks

NewsMax.com
Thursday, September 13, 2001

   Gen. Jack Singlaub, the former U.S. supreme commander of
all
   U.S. forces in Korea, told NewsMax that additional, more
significant
   attacks against the U.S. could take place in the next
several weeks.

   He warned that an escalation of terror - which might
follow such an
   elaborate scheme as we have already seen unfold - might
include
   the use of chemical or biological weapons of mass
destruction.

   General Singlaub said that he shared the views of NewsMax
   national security consultant, Col. Stanislav Lunev, who
has also
   issued a similar warning.

   "This is my view," he said, "There is a possibility of a
biological or
   chemical attack."

   The view that additional attacks are likely is shared by
the U.S.
   government.

   Fox News reported last evening that "lawmakers were told in
   classified briefings that additional attacks are 'possible
if not
   probable' and they should not assume a false sense of
security. This
   message has been conveyed with a very deliberate and
serious
   level of magnitude."

   "This is really war," Gen. Singlaub told NewsMax.com.
Singlaub
   himself witnessed the fireball explosion at the Pentagon,
he lives just
   a quarter-mile from the military complex.

   His analysis follows, with direct quotes in bold:

   1. Go beyond the terrorists.

   "This time we need to strike not only at the terrorists,
but the
   countries that give them safe harbor, that finance them,
that
   provide them sanctuary."

   2. Russia and China

   "We need to remember that Russia and China continue to be
   in alliances with many of the nations that are supporting
   these terrorists."

   3. President Clinton is largely responsible for this
disaster.

   "He decimated U.S. forces. He helped the very nations
   seeking to harm us, Russia and China. He claimed they were
   strategic partners. Russia and China have been backing
   these terrorist countries like Iraq."

   "What Clinton did was get the good people out of these
   agencies, the intelligence agencies. They either quit or
were
   fired. The people who supported Clinton stayed or were
   promoted.

   "Look at the case of Notra Trulock [former head of nuclear
   weapons security at the Dept. of Energy]. He was fired
   because he complained about the lack of security. The
   people who agreed with Clinton and helped produce this
   current situation are still running these agencies in the
U.S.
   government.

   "Clinton policies also feminized the military. The
promotion of
   feminization and homosexuality not only ruins morale, but
to
   the rest of the world, our enemies look at that and think
we
   are weak."

   4. Don't tar Muslims.

   "This is very similar to 1941, after Pearl Harbor, when the
   loyalty of Japanese were questioned. As it turned out the
   Japanese-American were fiercely loyal. There are many good
   Arabs and Muslims in America. These are good Americans.
   Many, if not most of the Arab countries have been good
allies
   of the United States. We should not harm a lot of our good
   allies."

   5. Missile defense is urgently needed.

   "These defenses are needed for two different threats.
First,
   from the threat of ballistic missiles, ICBMs, which still
   continue to threaten us. Second, we need theatre missile
   defense. We need also an expanded homeland defense. This
   might include upgrading the National Guard and expanding
   the Coast Guard."




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Bin Laden Moved After Attack

  By Munir Ahmed
  Associated Press Writer
  Thursday, Sept. 13, 2001; 1:12 p.m. EDT

  LAHORE, Pakistan -- Osama bin Laden, a key suspect in
Tuesday's
  terrorist assault on the United States, changed locations
within Afghanistan
  just minutes after reports of the attacks, a Pakistani
intelligence source
  said Thursday.

  Bin Laden would not tell anyone where he was moving, the
source told
  The Associated Press on condition of anonymity.

  A U.S. official who also spoke on condition of anonymity
confirmed the
  Pakistani account of bin Laden's movements, but did not
elaborate.

  Commanders of the Taliban religious militia that rule most
of Afghanistan
  and give bin Laden refuge say the Saudi millionaire keeps
on the move in
  the Central Asian nation, rarely staying in one place more
than two days.

  The latest report comes amid fear in Afghanistan that the
United States
  may launch an attack on the country, targeting sites
associated with bin
  Laden.

  In August 1998, U.S. destroyers fired 70 cruise missiles at
eastern
  Afghanistan to retaliate for the bombing of two American
embassies in
  East Africa blamed on bin Laden. The death toll in the
embassies'
  bombing was 231 - 219 Africans and 12 Americans.

  Bin Laden escaped that missile assault.

  Bin Laden is known to operate several training camps in
Afghanistan's
  Paktia, Kunar, Nangarhar and Kandahar provinces.

  It could be hard to find him, however. Afghanistan is
crisscrossed by
  mountain ranges, and provides limitless hide-outs.

  Pakistan is one of only three countries to officially
recognize Afghanistan's
  Taliban.




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