date:20011005


-Caveat Lector-

fact check

both Sunni and Shiite follow the Koran, what they disagreed about was the
line of succession after Mohammed - one group followed Ali -the Shiites-
while the majority elected a caliph who was not a descendent of Mohammed -
the Sunnis. the Shiites believe that there is an imamamte - an imam who is
descended from Mohammed and Ali, and is in many ways a pope like figure, the
Sunnis do not. This leads to certain different interpretations of the Koran,
different inheritance laws, etc - but in bulk they share the same belief
system.
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 Sunni follow the Koran - Shiite do not and they were weren't they the
 ancient Persian order of Assassins?

 Shiite's got away from Koran ..

 Now this is Ismael all these years for God gave him all that Oil and
 gave Israel, the shaft 

 Saba

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[CTRL] Rock the Ka'ba


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Israeli-American Writer Calls for Destruction Of Ka`ba

http://www.islamonline.net/English/News/2001-10/02/article10.shtml

CAIRO, Oct 1 (IslamOnline  News Agencies) - An Israeli-American writer
invited the Western world to destroy the Ka`ba, the house of Allah,
built by the Prophet Ibrahim and his son Isma`il, and to which Muslims
turn to in times of prayer fives times a day.

In an article entitled Time to face Mecca, published in the Israeli
Insider Online Magazine, Reuven Koret said, Should the jihadists
(Muslim strugglers) ever again dare to execute a genocidal assault on
the people and symbols of Western civilization - let them know beyond
any possible doubt that they will have no direction in which to turn
when they bow and worship their deity of destruction.

Commenting on the article, the Egyptian independent weekly Al-Usboo
said, Those who think that the upcoming war is not a crusade, or who
claim that the comments expressed by U.S. President George W. Bush was
just a slip of the tongue must think twice and be prepared for what's to
come. This article is one of the mad calls that prove that we need to be
prepared for the worst scenario.

Koret said that the destruction of the World Trade Center complex and
the Pentagon are a great danger, claiming it would become a
precedent for future outrages.

Within months or years, if not now, the fundamental Islamic states and
terror groups will have at their disposal nuclear weapons to complement
their existing stockpiles of chemical and biological weapons. As the
abomination in New York proves, they will not hesitate to use genocide
as a policy.

Koret demanded a new strategy of deterrence calculated to stop the
momentum of radical Islam that is threatening the free world. The
Islamic fanatics have declared jihad - [struggle] - against the West. An
appropriate and immediate response is imperative.

Next in line, if the Jihadists have their way, will be the White House,
the Statue of Liberty, the Golden Gate Bridge, Big Ben, the Eiffel
Tower, the Kremlin. All are at immediate risk, everyone knows it, and
the inspired followers of radical Islam have had their appetites
opened, claimed Koret.

The West, says Koret, must find ways to deter the Jihadist, that is
by understanding and answering them in terms of their value system, not
ours. Will it do anyone any good to bomb the airport of Kabul, or the
military bases of the Taliban? Been there, done that. The concentrated
efforts of the Western World did not bring Saddam Hussein to his knees.
George Bush senior failed, and George Bush junior will be scorned at if
that is the main approach.

Instead, Koret's suggestion is, In Mecca there are two tall towers,
minarets that stand guard over a large black box that serves as the
object of worship for the faithful, the destination of their holy
pilgrimage. It is to this symbolic object to which all Moslems pray.

Americans, like Israelis, are distinguished among the nations in their
respect for innocent human life. We will not as a policy target
civilians, and if civilians are harmed as an unintended result of a
military action, they will be genuinely sorry.

But the Western World must first protect its own people, and that means
creating a deterrent policy that will make the next suicide bombers and
their masters think twice. Whether it is publicly announced or merely
communicated through quiet channels, the Jihadists must know with
absolute certainty that the next outrage against a Western target will
prompt an immediate and massive military strike against a prominent
symbol of Islam.

No one can doubt that the destruction of one or more of the sacred
symbols of Islam - even without harming a single civilian - would send
the Moslem world into an anti-Western frenzy.

He added that the only solution is to attack Mecca, The West must face
Mecca now, dealing directly with the threat that the cowards of Jihad
have forced us to confront, speaking to murderers in the only language
they understand.



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Re: [CTRL] Islam by Cat Stevens


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Submission is not a negative word, it is a stronger version of the same
concept as acceptance. There is no problem, if you are a believe, with
submitting to the will of Allah - which goes beyond just accepting it. the
point is that yusseff islam (nee cat stevens) is wrong when he says it comes
from the word salaam.
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 That´s not even half the truth. Islam is
 probably better translated with acceptance
 (thus making a muslim a person who accepts
 (The divine order of things)). However; our
 cultural circle has chosen to translate Islam with
 submisson because submisson paints
 a clearly negative picture of that religion.

 /Jörgen Edlund
 Sweden


 too bad the word islam means submission, and muslim
 means one who submits


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Re: [CTRL] Rock the Ka'ba


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just shows that there are dangerous assholes everywhere
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 Israeli-American Writer Calls for Destruction Of Ka`ba

 http://www.islamonline.net/English/News/2001-10/02/article10.shtml

 CAIRO, Oct 1 (IslamOnline  News Agencies) - An Israeli-American writer
 invited the Western world to destroy the Ka`ba, the house of Allah,
 built by the Prophet Ibrahim and his son Isma`il, and to which Muslims
 turn to in times of prayer fives times a day.

 In an article entitled Time to face Mecca, published in the Israeli
 Insider Online Magazine, Reuven Koret said, Should the jihadists
 (Muslim strugglers) ever again dare to execute a genocidal assault on
 the people and symbols of Western civilization - let them know beyond
 any possible doubt that they will have no direction in which to turn
 when they bow and worship their deity of destruction.

 Commenting on the article, the Egyptian independent weekly Al-Usboo
 said, Those who think that the upcoming war is not a crusade, or who
 claim that the comments expressed by U.S. President George W. Bush was
 just a slip of the tongue must think twice and be prepared for what's to
 come. This article is one of the mad calls that prove that we need to be
 prepared for the worst scenario.

 Koret said that the destruction of the World Trade Center complex and
 the Pentagon are a great danger, claiming it would become a
 precedent for future outrages.

 Within months or years, if not now, the fundamental Islamic states and
 terror groups will have at their disposal nuclear weapons to complement
 their existing stockpiles of chemical and biological weapons. As the
 abomination in New York proves, they will not hesitate to use genocide
 as a policy.

 Koret demanded a new strategy of deterrence calculated to stop the
 momentum of radical Islam that is threatening the free world. The
 Islamic fanatics have declared jihad - [struggle] - against the West. An
 appropriate and immediate response is imperative.

 Next in line, if the Jihadists have their way, will be the White House,
 the Statue of Liberty, the Golden Gate Bridge, Big Ben, the Eiffel
 Tower, the Kremlin. All are at immediate risk, everyone knows it, and
 the inspired followers of radical Islam have had their appetites
 opened, claimed Koret.

 The West, says Koret, must find ways to deter the Jihadist, that is
 by understanding and answering them in terms of their value system, not
 ours. Will it do anyone any good to bomb the airport of Kabul, or the
 military bases of the Taliban? Been there, done that. The concentrated
 efforts of the Western World did not bring Saddam Hussein to his knees.
 George Bush senior failed, and George Bush junior will be scorned at if
 that is the main approach.

 Instead, Koret's suggestion is, In Mecca there are two tall towers,
 minarets that stand guard over a large black box that serves as the
 object of worship for the faithful, the destination of their holy
 pilgrimage. It is to this symbolic object to which all Moslems pray.

 Americans, like Israelis, are distinguished among the nations in their
 respect for innocent human life. We will not as a policy target
 civilians, and if civilians are harmed as an unintended result of a
 military action, they will be genuinely sorry.

 But the Western World must first protect its own people, and that means
 creating a deterrent policy that will make the next suicide bombers and
 their masters think twice. Whether it is publicly announced or merely
 communicated through quiet channels, the Jihadists must know with
 absolute certainty that the next outrage against a Western target will
 prompt an immediate and massive military strike against a prominent
 symbol of Islam.

 No one can doubt that the destruction of one or more of the sacred
 symbols of Islam - even without harming a single civilian - would send
 the Moslem world into an anti-Western frenzy.

 He added that the only solution is to attack Mecca, The West must face
 Mecca now, dealing directly with the threat that the cowards of Jihad
 have forced us to confront, speaking to murderers in the only language
 they understand.



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[CTRL] Fwd: Indict Katherine Harris, Democrats Urge




---BeginMessage---

 They are calling for the Democrats' version of Cruella de Vil to be
indicted of several crimes they say helped Bush stumble into the White
House

Posted October 3rd, 2001 8:00 PM
villagevoice.com exclusive

Indict Katherine Harris, Democrats Urge
by Donna Ladd

Even as George W. Bush enjoys mountainous wartime popularity, one of his
election lieutenants is causing cracks in the nation's veneer of political
politeness. Within 24 hours of Florida Secretary of State Katherine Harris's
announcement that she would run for U.S. Congress next year, Democrats.com
bit back with a Web site and an e-mail alert. The group, co-founded by the
Web designer of President Clinton's White House Web site and a consultant
for Geraldine Ferraro's 1998 Senate race, is not only reminding voters of
last year's election debacle. They are calling for the Democrats' version of
Cruella de Vil to be indicted of several crimes they say helped Bush stumble
into the White House.

Katherine Harris belongs in jail, not the U.S. Congress, wrote
Democrats.com founder Bob Fertik, in the e-mail. Fertik and his partner,
David Lytel, say Harris violated a list of state and federal laws including
the Votings Rights Act, the Ballot Design Law, and the American With
Disabilities Act. They are collecting signatures (and donations) to
encourage Florida Attorney General Bob Butterworth and Leon County State
Attorney Willie Meggs to bring up charges against Harris on 14 points
associated with the 2000 presidential election. For one, Harris contracted
with a private company for a fraudulent felon purge, costing Democrat Al
Gore thousands of votes, the group alleges. In addition, the congressional
candidate allowed Republican operatives to work inside her office, draft
speeches for her, and coordinate with Bush-Cheney attorneys on
interpretation of election laws. And she allowed county canvassing boards to
count 680 clearly illegal overseas military ballots, including some cast
after Election Day.

Fertik says that Harris's entry into the race will help erode the bipartisan
spirit that has swept the country since September 11. Harris is such a
divisive figure because she blocked the counting of 175,000 uncounted votes.
How can we as a nation fight for 'Democracy' if our votes aren't counted?
Fertik told the Voice. He also accuses her of trying to cash in on the
benevolent spirit of the moment, rather than waiting for a more appropriate
time. She thinks she can personally benefit from our present national
unity, but she is doing tremendous damage to that unity instead, he said.

Citing a September 29, 2001, report in the St. Petersburg Times,
Democrats.com is also fingering Harris for five non-Bush-related
transgressions, including flying first class, making personal calls on her
government-issued cell phone, and not allowing the state's inspector general
to report directly to her, as required by Florida law. Harris recently fired
Inspector General Dwight Chastain, who had complained that, despite numerous
requests for meetings, he had almost no access to the secretary of state.

Fertik rejects any suggestion that Democrats.com is trying to use Harris to
redirect attention back to the botched election and away from a suddenly
popular Bush. Katherine Harris chose to announce her campaign this
week--not us, he said, adding, We did not suspend law enforcement in the
United States on September 11. 


---End Message---

[CTRL] Fwd: [CIA-DRUGS] Re: THE PROJECT HAMMER FILE




---BeginMessage---

Whoa!  Read the below article.  Anyone know how US$300 TRILLION could exist
and not hit the overworld radar screens?  It's off-ledger, that's how.

I'm racing to get THE PROEJCT HAMMER FILE ready for download.  It should be
available to order later today.

Project Hammer explains how huge sums of money get created by governments
and international banks working in collaboration in deep privacy.  It is the
culmination of six years intensive research.

The secretive creation process of this black money is revealed and
explained for the first time.  This story is backed with copies of over 100
images of corroborating documents, including incredibly important sworn
depositions.

One of these was given by US Brigadier General Erle Cocke, a major player in
the world of covert operations and the former Washington office of  the
Nugan Hand Bank.

Erle Cocke was a banker before a black operative - but he combined both
skills working quietly as a fixer for every President since Truman.  He
was an alternate Executive Director of the World Bank for four years and a
member of the US delegation to the UN for two years running with the pay and
status of a US Ambassador.  General Cocke was also a Knight of Malta and a
Shriner Mason.  He died 10 days after making his deposition.

What he says in his deposition is explosive.  He leaves no doubt about the
reality of the secretive world of Collateral Trading Programmes and how they
produce from thin air hundreds of billions and trillions of dollars in the
blink of an electronic eye.

Once created these slush funds are used in a variety of way.  Read how.

David Guyatt
http://www.deepblacklies.co.uk

***

From LeMetropoleCafe.com

 10/4 Dr. Alexandr Nemets - Russian Expert Who 'Predicted' Attacks Warns of
New Ones

Reprinted from NewsMax.com

Russian Expert Who 'Predicted' Attacks Warns of New Ones

Dr. Alexandr Nemets
Thursday, Oct. 4, 2001

The same Russian government expert who predicted last July that America was
about to suffer a financial attack - and encouraged Russian citizens to
cash out of dollars and buy rubles and gold - has again surfaced to make
more stunning forecasts.

Dr. Tatyana Koryagina gained some credibility in the Russian media because
of her prediction of an unusual catastrophe that was about to hit the U.S.

She said it would take place on August 19 and would collapse its economy.

Koryagina is a senior research fellow in the Institute of Macroeconomic
Researches subordinated to Russian Ministry of Economic Development
(Minekonom). She is reportedly close to Pres. Putin's inner circle.

On July 12, 2001 Pravda published a page-one story on her predictions
entitled The Dollar and America Will Fall Down on August 19? - That's the
Opinion of Dr. Tatyana Koryagina, Who Very Accurately Predicted the August
Default in 1998.

In her July interview, Koryagiuna told Pravda: The U.S. has been chosen as
the object of financial attack because the financial center of the planet is
located there. The effect will be maximal. The strike waves of economic
crisis will spread over the planet instantly, and will remind us of the
blast of a huge nuclear bomb.

Late last month, Pravda re-interviewed Dr. Koryagina to get her take on the
events of Sept. 11.

Koryagina made the following key points in an article entitled : Who Will
Strike America in Its Back?:

a.. New Strikes Will Come. In the near term, she said the powerful group
who masterminded the events of Sept. 11 will make new strikes against
America - of a financial nature and otherwise. She said they will strike
America in the back and bring it down.

She noted that Americans are consolidating around their government and
preparing retaliatory strikes against the terrorists. However, Americans
are trembling about spending. When they understand after the upcoming, new
strikes, that their government can guarantee them nothing, they will
panic -- causing a collapse of their financial system.

b.. Didn't Make Serious Mistake. About her forecast made on 12 July, Dr.
Koryagina said, I did not make a serious mistake. Indeed, between 15 and 20
August, the dollar started trembling under the pressure of multiple bad news
about the U.S. and world economy. And within weeks, the Manhattan
skyscrapers fell down. As a result, a significant part of the world
financial network was paralyzed. This strike was aimed at destabilization
and destruction of America and (in domino fashion) all the countries making
countless billions of dollars.

c.. The Powerful Group. Who is behind these strikes? Koryagina claims the
U.S. is painting a false picture. She said the operation was not the work of
19 terrorists, but a larger group seeking to reshape the world. She claimed
a group of extremely powerful private persons, with total assets of about
$300 trillion, intends to legalize its power and to become the new world
government. The September 11 strikes showed that this group is afraid of
nothing -- human lives have zero

[CTRL] Fwd: [AM] Banks




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 President Bush (Junior) is determined to stamp out the evil of the
Taliban and Osama Bin Laden.  He is going after them on all fronts, even to
freezing assets of organizations that may be supporting him.  He is going
to follow the money trail and cut off their income.  Since it is well known
that the main source of income for the Taliban is the drug trade, this
presents an interesting situation.  Here we have a president whose father
was involved in drug running in Central America and came close to being
indicted on that charge.  Bush Senior used the power of the presidential
pardon to prevent the main witness from testifying, a move that kept an
indictment from being handed down so that many of the American people never
realized the extent of presidential involvement.  Some reports say that
Bush Senior is still a kingpin in the drug trade.

 Was Bush the only one?  By no means.  The San Jose Mercury series,
Dark Alliance, exposed CIA involvement in drug sales in Los Angeles, and
there are reports that the CIA  was mixed up in the drug trade in Southeast
Asia in the Vietnam War era.   Bill Clinton's ties to the Arkansas drug
trade are common knowledge.  Further, large American banks have been
accused of being up to their eyeballs in money laundering.  We know that
the drug lords need the banks;  they could not survive without them.   No
big business can survive without the banks because funds kept in cash draw
no interest and are also at high risk of being confiscated or stolen.  The
banks like the arrangement with the drug traffickers because there is
little or no bookkeeping and the profits are huge.

 The last large-scale investigation of American banks was in
1986.  It might have exposed  a giant conspiracy between them and the drug
dealers, but it was handled as a low profile matter.   No criminal charges
were filed.  Nevertheless, some of the biggest banks,  including Bank of
America, the First Boston Corporation, Chase Manhattan, Manufacturers
Hanover Trust, Chemical, Crocker National and Irving Trust, all had to pay
civil penalties, some in millions of dollars, because of money
laundering.  Bank of America, which was fined $4.75  million, had failed to
report 17,000 large cash transactions. Citibank was never charged, even
though Swiss officials traced Carlos Salinas' drug money to their New York
office.  More recently, a US congressional probe chaired by Senator Biden
has found that US  banks, including industry giants such as  Citibank and
Chase Manhattan, have used shell banks and allowed affiliated foreign
financial institutions to launder drug money and engage in other illegal
activities.

 If President Bush really follows the money trail the results could
be embarrassing!  Those in positions of power in the United States have
helped to raise a demon, and that demon has turned to bite the government
and the power structure that fed and protected it.   We might call what
happened at the World Trade Center well-deserved justice except for the
fact that it took the  lives of thousands of innocent citizens and there
were so many injured, some horribly burned.  Anyone in any country in the
world who has in any way aided the drug traffickers bears some
responsibility for  the World Trade Center massacre because the real
culprit is organized crime financed by the international drug
trade.  Caught between the criminals and a threat to their own lives, what
will the US government do now?

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  HUNTING BIN LADEN - FAILED ATTEMPTS IN THE PAST
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   ASSASSINATION ATTEMPTS FAILED IN 1998 and 1999 LEADING TO 11 SEPT

MID-EAST REALITIES © - MER - www.MiddleEast.Org - Washington - 10/05:
Now we know that a few years ago, when President Bill Clinton was meeting 
privately one-on-one with the former Prime Minister of Pakistan, Nawaz Sharif, the 
U.S. hired the agents of the infamous Inter-Services Intelligence Agency (ISI) to 
assassinate Osama bin Laden.  That was after the infamous American CIA has failed in 
its many attempts to do the job, and after the Pentagon sent a volley of some 66 
cruise missiles which also landed with a thump, and before Massoud (last month 
assassinated probably by bin Laden) was subsequently hired to give it a try.   The 
payoff for Pakistan was going to be many billions in economic assistance, action 
regarding Kashmir (remember how Clinton made coy statements about this other 
occupation), and a closer overall U.S.-Pakistani relationship.  This was all super 
top secret then and may help explain the extraordinary meeting on American 
independence day, July 4th 1999, when Sharif rushed to Washington quite unscheduled 
for an emergency meeting with Clinton.
 September 11th didn't happen in a vacuum.   Osama bin Laden and much of his cabal 
are goners now as there's no way they are going to be able to defy the full might of 
the American empire enraged, moblized, and on the war path.  But they have already 
done the dasterdly deeds of their choosing, changed history, further militarized 
America, and unleashed forces and passions whose results are no longer predictable 
when they themselves are gone from the scene.  Whatever happens now, this sordid 
history needs to be better known, and better understood.  Thus this insightful article 
primarily about the ISI, from The Sunday Times two Sunday's ago, in addition to those 
published in the past few days:




  THE SPIES WHO COULD SAVE PAKISTAN

 THE LOYALTY OF THE PAKISTANY ARMY IS UNDER EXTREME STRAIN

A formidable intelligence machine is 
fighting to douse the fires of revolt, 
says Mark Adkin* 

[The Sunday Times (U.K.) - September 23, 2001] :   Suddenly, it's back to the old 
days. For any operations inside Afghanistan, the Americans need their old allies: 
Pakistan's feared intelligence agency, the Inter- Services Intelligence, or ISI. 

Once they were so close that their agents trekked across the Hindu Kush together on 
reconnaissance missions (or to mingle with mujaheddin, as the Americans put it). It 
was the time of the Soviet war on Afghanistan, and the CIA was utterly dependent on 
the ISI to pass on arms and training to the guerrillas in their struggle against the 
Russians. 

The ISI has the reputation of being the most effective intelligence organisation in 
the Third World. It is headed by a director-general, now Lieutenant-General Mahmood 
Ahmed, who has direct, daily access to the president.  He is almost certainly the most 
powerful man in the military, responsible for all political, military, internal, 
external and counter-intelligence operations in Pakistan. 

Until very recently the Afghan bureau of the ISI has been something of a command post 
in supporting the Taliban. As part of a policy of Islamic debts, a campaign to 
buttress its defences against India, Pakistan has used the Taliban's support to 
project power north. 

The Afghan opposition claims that Pakistani pilots often carry out air raids on behalf 
of Taliban forces; independent sources also say that Pakistani special forces take 
part in military operations inside

[CTRL] Colombia Proposes to U.S. Tripling Anti-Drug Bases


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Story Filed: Thursday, October 04, 2001 9:51 PM EST
BOGOTA, Colombia (Reuters) - In meetings with U.S. officials, the chief of
Colombia's anti-narcotics force proposed tripling the number of jungle bases
used to launch offensives against cocaine, Colombian officials said on
Thursday.

Gen. Gustavo Socha Salamanca made the proposal during an ongoing, five-day
visit to Washington where he met with State Department officials and members
of Congress, the anti-narcotics police said in a statement.

The statement did not say how much the bases would cost.

Colombia currently has two anti-narcotics bases, both located in the
country's drug-producing south. The bases are used to quickly deploy troops
and launch planes to spray herbicides on crops of coca -- the raw ingredient
in cocaine.

Washington is pouring $1 billion into President Andres Pastrana's Plan
Colombia anti-drug offensive, with most of the aid used to train Socha's
troops and provide them with advanced military hardware at the jungle bases.

U.S. officials say Plan Colombia has yet to affect cocaine prices since its
launch last year. Colombian and U.S. officials hope the anti-drug effort will
also stem the income of Marxist-rebels and far-right paramilitary forces.

Both groups admit to taxing drug producers to finance their efforts in
Colombia's 37-year guerrilla war. The conflict has claimed 40,000 mainly
civilian lives in the past decade.

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[CTRL] What to do with Osama Bin Laden (fwd)




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What to do with osama bin laden?  I think I have a solution:

Killing him will only create a martyr.
Holding him prisoner will inspire   his comrades to take hostages to
demand his release.
Therefore, I suggest we do neither.

Let the SAS, Navy
Seals or whomever covertly capture him, fly him to an   undisclosed
hospital and have surgeons quickly perform a complete sex  change
operation. Then we return her to Afghanistan to live as a woman under the
taliban.

What do you think?

Posted by  Robin Hood


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GET THE USA OUT OF THE un AND THE un OUT OF THE USA
DEFENSE IS EVERY MAN'S RESPONSIBILITY
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like wise his scrip: and he that hath no sword, let him sell his garment, and buy
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[CTRL] FC: Former U.S. drug czar tells how to deal with terrorist groups (fwd)

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From: Eric Cordian [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: American Death Squads
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Date: Thu, 4 Oct 2001 15:38:58 -0700 (PDT)

Barry McCaffrey, former Drug Czar, making an approved leak on how the US
plans to deal with sub-national groups, their friends, and their
supporters.

It's not nice to taunt Happy-Fun-Superpower.

http://www.cnn.com/2001/US/10/03/ret.mccaffrey.war.plan/

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WASHINGTON (CNN) -- Retired Army Gen. Barry McCaffrey, who was drug czar
during President Clinton's second term, said in an online exchange last
month that those against the United States in its war on terrorism would
be killed suddenly, in significant numbers and without warning.

...

We are going to disrupt these people through preemptive attack ... we
will deceive them, we will run psyops on them, at selected points and
times they will be killed suddenly, in significant numbers, and without
warning.

Tomahawk missiles, 2000 pound laser guided weapons dropped from B2's or
F22's at very high altitude, remote control, booby traps, blackmail and at
places, small groups of soldiers or SEALs will appear in total darkness,
blow down the doors and kill them at close range with automatic weapons
and hand grenades

...

A U.S. military official who was shown McCaffrey's comments said they were
the insights of a very smart guy.

Another official said they do not contain any national secrets, but they
do accurately reflect the strategy the United States has adopted.

In the words of this official: It's the plan.

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[CTRL] ANTI-CRUSADE, AWARD ! (fwd)

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Date: Thu, 04 Oct 2001 21:12:16 +0200
From: secr [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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Subject: ANTI-CRUSADE,  AWARD !

Still more new  reports indicate that not Bin Laden, but the
Israeli Mossad and the US CIA were behind the WTC and
Pentagon collapses, see the list of reports below.  There may be
other reports. Please forward them, so that the list can be updated.

Furthermore, the below analyses of the political situations
in Israel and the US reveal that these terror actions were
precisely what Sharon and Bush at this particular moment needed to get out
of their deadlocks, and that hardly any other move could
have brought about the present favorable situation for their
genocidal policies.

A very high percentage of probability therefore speaks in
favour of the assumption  that more than 6000 working class
people (NOT CEOs: they together with 4000 jews had been
warned beforehand !) of many different nationalities were
killed by their host country in order to produce the present situation.

The imperialists now have got free hands to start their
already planned worldwide crusade for knocking down the
global resistance movement against their globalization, including
assasination of political opponents anywhere in the world,
conquer Afghanistan as basis for pipelining the oil from the
Caspian Sea and for missiles that can reach Russia and
China, cancelling human rights, raising the oil prices, etc.

By installing a half-wit and member of the NAZI community in
the White House, Lockheed, Boeing, Raytheon, General
Electric and other manufacturers of mass destruction weapons
finally have got very good prospects after many meager
years since the cold war.

One of Bush's first actions in the crusade has been to force
Pakistan to  stop sending food to the millions of Afghan
refugees that are completely dependent on this aid for their survival.

For those who might not be able to believe in the
possibility of a US 'president' being evil enough to
asassinate thousands of US citizens, this latest shocking crime against
humanity should be convincing enough.

All of the crusade has been made possible by the liquidation
of a comparatively small number of  people and the
subsequent massive corporate media campaign against the Bin Laden / Moslem
world.

If this campaign could be nullified by new evidence that
definitely reveals a Israeli / US conspiracy, the crusade
automatically would stop, the real culprits be punished by
an outraged public opinion, and the long overdue revolution start.

Unless already 'pacified' there must be somebody involved
in or close enough to the planning or execution of the NYC /
DC terror attack that can provide the missing final proof.

Therefore a reward of 5000 $ hereby is set at stake as
payment for such proof.

This disclosure obviously being connected with risk of life,
the award presumably must be much higher.  And everybody
interested therefore is requested to add an amount to the award.

Please tell how much you would contribute in case of
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NEWS EMBARGO AFTER ISRAELI LINK
http://www.unitedpeoples.net/NEWSEMB.html

FBI detains 5 Israelis
http://www.unitedpeoples.net/FBIdetain.html

4000 Israeli Employees Absent
http://www.unitedpeoples.net/4000Isra.html

Israel tried to warn us
http://www.unitedpeoples.net/Israeltried.html

Israelis warned hours before
http://www.unitedpeoples.net/Israeliswar.html

More Facts
http://www.unitedpeoples.net/MoreFacts.html

Mossad behind the attacks
http://www.unitedpeoples.net/Mossadbe.html

Russian Air Force Chief
http://www.unitedpeoples.net/RussianAir.html

THEY KNEW !
http://www.unitedpeoples.net/THEYKNEW.html

Employee informs Air Line of La
http://www.unitedpeoples.net/Employee.html

US Planned Attack on Taliban
http://www.unitedpeoples.net/USPlanned.html

U.S. Military Trained Hijackers
http://www.unitedpeoples.net/U.S.Military.html

CIA and Mossad Drug Involvement
http://www.unitedpeoples.net/CIAandMo.html

Ariel Sharon / Bin Laden
http://www.unitedpeoples.net/ArielSharon.html

Bush's Afghani Oil Interests
http://www.unitedpeoples.net/BushsAfg.html

Why the Bush administration wants war
http://www.unitedpeoples.net/WhytheBush.html

'Empire' theory of globaliuzation
http://www.unitedpeoples.net/Empire.html

Analyses, Viewpoints, ...
http://www.unitedpeoples.net/Analyses.html

Against the US Web of Lies
http://www.unitedpeoples.net/Against.html

Who's responsible ?
http://www.unitedpeoples.net/Whoisrespons.html

PEARL HARBOUR II
http://www.unitedpeoples.net/PEARLHARBOUR II.html

Michael Harari alive ?!?

[CTRL] Fascinating, said Mr. Spock.

2001-10-05 Thread Damaeus


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Starting at 6, count up through the alphabet with increments of 6, as
follows:

A 6
B12
C18
D24
E30
F36
G42
H48
I54
J60
K66
L72
M78
N84
O90
P96
Q   102
R   108
S   114
T   120
U   126
V   132
W   138
X   144
Y   150
Z   156
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Now take the following phrases and cross-reference them to the appropriate
number.  After you have all the numbers for each phrase, add them up:

1.  SON OF SIN

S   114
O90
N84

O90
F36

S   114
I54
+   N84
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666



2.  SATANIC KILL


S   114
A 6
T   120
A 6
N84
I54
C18

K66
I54
L72
+   L72
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666



3.  NEW YORK

N84
E30
W   138

Y   150
O90
R   108
+   K66
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666


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Re: [CTRL] Colombia Proposes to U.S. Tripling Anti-Drug Bases


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it will be Vietnam redux


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 Colombia Proposes to U.S. Tripling Anti-Drug Bases
 

 Story Filed: Thursday, October 04, 2001 9:51 PM EST
 BOGOTA, Colombia (Reuters) - In meetings with U.S. officials, the chief of
 Colombia's anti-narcotics force proposed tripling the number of jungle bases
 used to launch offensives against cocaine, Colombian officials said on
 Thursday.

 Gen. Gustavo Socha Salamanca made the proposal during an ongoing, five-day
 visit to Washington where he met with State Department officials and members
 of Congress, the anti-narcotics police said in a statement.

 The statement did not say how much the bases would cost.

 Colombia currently has two anti-narcotics bases, both located in the
 country's drug-producing south. The bases are used to quickly deploy troops
 and launch planes to spray herbicides on crops of coca -- the raw ingredient
 in cocaine.

 Washington is pouring $1 billion into President Andres Pastrana's Plan
 Colombia anti-drug offensive, with most of the aid used to train Socha's
 troops and provide them with advanced military hardware at the jungle bases.

 U.S. officials say Plan Colombia has yet to affect cocaine prices since its
 launch last year. Colombian and U.S. officials hope the anti-drug effort will
 also stem the income of Marxist-rebels and far-right paramilitary forces.

 Both groups admit to taxing drug producers to finance their efforts in
 Colombia's 37-year guerrilla war. The conflict has claimed 40,000 mainly
 civilian lives in the past decade.

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I have been giving this quite a bit  o'  thought and am asking for any input.
 Both of the folks below make valid points. Here are some of my thoughts.

1.  Being on aol has its advantages, sometimes, and there are lots of links
out their that lead to it and it has been established there for years. And if
it is a beast I would like to be near its belly.

2. I do like having a back-up list up and running and yahoo groups does have
some good points.

3. the biggest problem is the hassle factor and the splitting of resources.
By being more accesible there may also be an expanding of resources.

4. BUT I also know that folks are not going to want to receive double posts.
And we all are busy enough with too much mail already in our boxes and such.

5. Yahoo groups with its web based interface does make it easy for folks to
not recieve mail. And with designations of CTRL for listerv.aol and ctrl for
yahoo maybe it will work.

So if folks are ready for a little experiment let me know or if you think two
lists is unmanageable please let me know.

Om
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I think we should keep only one of them. It s better to have the list in
a central way and not to sparse it. It will be easier for you as
administrator
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  I like the idea of a back-up.  If you go to YahooGroups and edit your
membership for the ctrl list, you can tell it not to send emails.  Then
we
have a list to write to right away in case ListServ goes down again.  Just
my
2 cents.

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[CTRL] Mistaken about Motives

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[Title 17 U.S.C. section 107]

Mistaken about Motives
by Sheldon Richman, September 2001

It does no honor to the tens of thousands of innocent victims
of the September 11 terrorism attacks to fool ourselves about the
motives behind that mass murder and destruction.

The Bush administration says incessantly that the terrorism
was an attack on civilization: freedom, prosperity,
self-government. Government officials, pundits, and cartoonists
insist that the terrorists' intent is to bring down American
society. Defense Secretary Donald Rumsfeld said, What this
war is about is our way of life. An editorial cartoon shows two
terrorists hiding in a cave, one berating the other, Bring the
Americans to their knees, you said. It will split them apart, you
said.

That view may give some people comfort, but it misses the
mark by miles. The average American, who has no time for
foreign affairs and U.S. foreign policy, might believe this. The
officials who engage in this sort of dissembling surely know
better. Their reasons for distorting the truth can't be flattering.

Think about it: No informed person can possibly believe that
terrorism, even on the scale of September 11, could threaten the
existence of American society. It is too big, too rich, too
decentralized, and too resilient  precisely because there is
such a large degree of individual freedom. It is unwise to
assume that your adversary is insanely out of touch with reality.
Better to assume he is rational, in the sense that he has chosen
achievable objectives and is selecting means capable of
accomplishing them. The latter policy puts one in a far better
position to understand and counter an adversary than the former.

We really do not need to be in doubt about what the terrorist
operation was intended to accomplish. If Osama bin Laden was
really the instigator or mastermind, we can know precisely what
he intended. He's given many interviews to Western journalists.
Transcripts are available on the Internet. Never does he say that
his motive for a holy war against America is the destruction of
capitalism, wealth, freedom, or any other abstraction. He is
quite steadfast in his indictment of the United States. In his eyes
it is guilty of desecrating holy places in the Arabian peninsula
by stationing troops there since the war against Iraq; of harming
the Iraqi people by means of an embargo on food and other vital
commodities; and of helping to subjugate the Palestinians by
financing and provisioning Israel.

Whatever one thinks of those charges, let us have the
presence of mind to acknowledge and understand them. Perhaps
we might even wonder whether there is anything to them. To do
so is not to justify terrorism against innocents. Nothing can
justify or excuse that.

But justice never needs to fear the truth. If the terrorist
planners did not intend to bring down America, what did they
intend? It would be easy to assume that they intended to reverse
the three policies mentioned above. Perhaps. But even more
plausible is that they simply intended to roll the dice in the
Middle East. They don't like the status quo. So why not shake
things up, possibly causing a rearrangement more to their liking?
And what better way is there to shake things up than to help
precipitate a war?

In other words, it is highly likely that bin Laden wants the
United States to unleash its military might in Afghanistan and
Iraq. Doing so could upset Pakistan and embolden and win new
sympathizers in Egypt, Saudi Arabia, and other Gulf states.
Those U.S.-supported dictatorships are despised by many
people in the region. The general turmoil could also have severe
consequences for Israel. From bin Laden's perspective, why not
roll the dice? What's to lose?

Is President Bush on the verge of giving bin Laden what he
wants? That would be a mistake. The turmoil of war rarely
produces positive change. It was war that gave the Bolsheviks a
chance to seize power in Russia. It was war that set the stage for
Hitler and Pol Pot. A U.S.-launched war in the Middle East may
kill some terrorists  perhaps even bin Laden  but that
doesn't mean the full long-term consequences will be to our
liking.



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2001-10-05 Thread Chris Case


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Check out this document with the FBI's definitions of
domestic terrorist groups.

Then go to http://www.pgpi.org/  and download your free copy of the PGP
encryption program while you still can

Chris

http://www.fbi.gov/congress/congress01/freeh051001.htm

The FBI views domestic terrorism as the unlawful use, or
threatened use, of violence by a group or individual that is
based and operating entirely within the United States or its
territories without foreign direction and which is committed
against persons or property with the intent of intimidating
or coercing a government or its population in furtherance of
political or social objectives.

The second category of domestic terrorists, left-wing
groups, generally profess a revolutionary socialist doctrine
and view themselves as protectors of the people against the
dehumanizing effects of capitalism and imperialism. They
aim to bring about change in the United States through
revolution rather than through the established political
process.

Anarchists and extremist socialist groups -- many of which,
such as the Workers'World Party, Reclaim the Streets, and Carnival
Against Capitalism -- have an international presence and, at
times, also represent a potential threat in the United
States. For example, anarchists, operating individually and
in groups, caused much of the damage during the 1999 World
Trade Organization ministerial meeting in Seattle.

Special interest terrorism differs from traditional
right-wing and left-wing terrorism in that extremist special
interest groups seek to resolve specific issues, rather than
effect more widespread political change. Special interest
extremists continue to conduct acts of politically motivated
violence to force segments of society, including, the
general public, to change attitudes about issues considered
important to their causes. These groups occupy the extreme
fringes of animal rights, pro-life, environmental,
anti-nuclear, and other political and social movements.

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In response to First Librarian Laura Bush's summer reading recommendations,
readers contributed their own lists. Here's a selection.
BY KATHERINE BONAMICI



Related: Laura Bush's summer reading picks

Friday, Jun. 15, 2001
We invited readers to reply to Laura Bush's reading list with your own
suggestions last week. Here are a few of your favorites:

Prodigal Summer by Barbara Kingsolver is described as wonderful and
engrossing by its recommender. (If I may add to that, all of her books are
great summer reads, especially The Bean Trees and Pigs in Heaven.)

An apparent World War II buff recommends A Mind in Prison: The Memoir of a
Son and Soldier of the Third Reich by Bruno Manz, Wolfsangel : A German
City on Trial 1945-48 by August J. Nigro and In the Skies of Europe : Air
Forces Allied to the Luftwaffe 1939-1945 by Hans Werner Neulen.

For politicos looking for background reading, try Jimmy Carter's childhood
memoir An Hour Before Daylight. And the love-it-or-hate-it attack on the
Clinton administration's approach to China, The China Threat: How the
People's Republic Targets America by Bill Gertz was sent in by a reader who
also recommends Absolute Power: The Legacy of Corruption in the Clinton-Reno
Justice Department by David Limbaugh.

In fact, political books appear to be your favorite genre. Others write-ins
included The O'Reilly Factor by Bill O'Reilly, Barry  'the Boys' : The
CIA, the Mob and America's Secret History by Daniel Hopsicker, The Betrayal
of America : How the Supreme Court Undermined the Constitution and Chose Our
President by Vincent Bugliosi and At Any Cost : How Al Gore Tried to Steal
the Election by Bill Sammon.

For those who prefer novels, recommendations include The Fourth Hand by
John Irving, The Songcatcher by Sharyn McCrumb, Best Friends by Martha
Moody, Never Change by Elizabeth Berg, Anil's Ghost by Michael Ondaatje
and both Bridget Jones books by Helen Fielding.

Finally, several readers put the Bible at the top of their summer reading
list. Psalms, Proverbs, John. There are 66 books in God's word; read these
three first and then continue until you've read them all, was the
recommendation of one couple

Copyright © 2001 Time Inc. All rights reserved.

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Aloha, He'Ping,
Om, Shalom, Salaam.
Em Hotep, Peace Be,
All My Relations.
Omnia Bona Bonis,
Adieu, Adios, Aloha.
Amen.
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[CTRL] Bush Palestine: Act 2


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Ground Zero
by Scott McConnell
Antiwar.com
October 5, 2000
The Bushes and the Palestinians:
Act 2
One
taboo prevalent in the first weeks after September 11 is already
listing badly:
it is becoming less mandatory to pretend that the attack has
absolutely
nothing to do with the American tie to Israel. Writing
in the Wall Street Journal shortly after the attack, Norman
Podhoretz
insisted
on the lack of any meaningful connection, and several subsequent commentators,
including, initially, President Bush himself, asserted he terror was completely
unrelated to any American policies in the Mid East. Generally it was attributed
to Islamic dislike of American freedoms, success, to who we are.

No
doubt the motives  both of the terrorists, and those who support them  are
mixed, and Islam's sad identity crisis in its encounter with the West has
some weight. But denial that the Israeli-Palestinian stalemate generates enormous
ill will towards the United States in the Arab world, or that the Israeli
occupation, backed by American arms, gives the bin Ladens of the region effective 
recruiting points and propaganda themes, seems more and more difficult.
Now
this linkage has apparently been acknowledged at the highest levels. Last
Tuesday's
New York Times frontpage revealed a bombshell: the administration
let it be known that prior to September 11, it had planned to endorse formally
the idea of a Palestinian state. Secretary of State Powell was going to outline
an American conception of a final Israeli-Palestinian settlement in a speech
before the General Assembly, President Bush planned to meet with Yasser Arafat.
Questioned last week, President in essence affirmed this, saying The
idea of a Palestinian state has always been part of a vision.
The
leak and Bush's comment are part of the effort to build alliances in the Arab
world prior to taking out bin Laden; they
also serve as a counter to the go-to-war  against-the-whole  Arab-world 
rhetoric emanating from the neoconservative magazines and editorial pages.
But once the words are out, they can't easily be retracted.
On
the merits of course, the Palestinian state idea is unimpeachable, required
for any resolution of the conflict that purports to conform with justice.
That has been clear from the outset, though many barriers had to be overcome.
The Palestinians needed to accept as fact Israel's permanent existence in
the region and its right to secure and recognized borders; that acquiescence
to half a loaf was not really obtained until after the Gulf War. The Israelis
had to give up the idea of a Greater Israel established on the
captured lands of he West Bank and Gaza. The maximalists on the Israeli side
have more than matched the Palestinians in stubbornness, both in Israel itself,
where both political parties have expanded the illegal settlements, and among
the Jewish state's hard line American supporters. The latter, neoconservative
hawks for the most part, play prominent roles both inside the Bush administration
and in right wing journalism.
For
those reasons, no one should underestimate the risk in the political leap
President Bush took in saying Yes there should be a Palestinian state
 or the intensity of the battle that now lies before him. Bush will soon
find himself fighting a two front war, first to rally American and world opinion
to support strikes against the Taliban, and secondly against a domestic lobby
which will fight tooth and nail against American diplomatic pressure on Israel
to make concessions.
The
American Israel Public Affairs Committee  by acclamation Capitol Hill's most
potent lobby  was
quick to denounce the White House, issuing a statement claiming Those
who are urging the President to meet with PLO Chairman Arafat. . . are undermining
America's war against terrorism. (The those who are urging
phrasing diplomatically tries to avoid direct criticism of Bush, but more direct 
attacks will certainly come.) The Forward, the well-informed
Jewish weekly, described the reaction of Jewish leaders to the Times report as 
furious. Robert Satloff, of the Washington Institute for Near East Policy, a 
pro-Israel think tank, lambasted
the Bush suggestion, saying the successful American Mid East diplomacy
has always stressed that process was more important than preferred outcomes.
Interestingly,
Satloff put forward as an example for the current President to follow George
Herbert Walker Bush (Bush I) who, he claims, put together a coalition with
Arabs to reverse Saddam Hussein's takeover of Kuwait without making any promises
about the Palestinian question. That was the right approach then, and
is

[CTRL] WAMO


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W(eapon) of A(nnihiative) M(ass) O(bliteration)

WMD doesn't lend to having a good sounding acronym.  Time to change.

AT the linque provided is a graphical representation of world's
possessors of WAMO

http://www.cnn.com/SPECIALS/2001/trade.center/biochem.weapons/

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[CTRL] Browne on Terrorism


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Thursday, October 4, 2001

What can we do about terrorism?  Part 1
By Harry Browne
© 2001 WorldNetDaily.com
This three-part series will propose the actions I believe our
government should take to fight terrorism.

Before looking at those proposals, however, we need to establish some
ground rules.

Perfection isn't an option
Rule #1: No solution is going to be perfect.

Our government has created ill will in many parts of the world. It
has bullied smaller countries, imposed new governments upon people
who didn't want them and demanded that other governments do what our
government wants. It's unrealistic to think that there's anything
that can be done now to quickly undo all the ill will.

I have been criticized for dwelling on what our government has done that led to the 
terrorist attacks. But if we don't understand what provoked this, we can't evaluate 
any response to it  and we can expect that the fault
y policies will continue and provoke more such attacks against Americans.

Foreign policy is the issue
Rule #2: It is American foreign policy that has provoked the attacks, not anything 
inherent in Muslim fundamentalism.

There are hundreds of millions of Muslims in the world who don't believe in killing 
non-Muslims. In fact, Muslims have been killed in Arab terrorist attacks, just as 
non-Muslims have.

In an interview conducted by John Miller for Esquire in February 1999, Osama bin Laden 
said: This is my message to the American people: to look for a serious government 
that looks out for their interests and does not att
ack others, their lands or their honor. And my word to American journalists is not to 
ask why we did that but ask what their government has done that forced us to defend 
ourselves.

The fact that bin Laden uses bad means to achieve his ends doesn't excuse our own 
government's mistakes  nor does it justify our government doing the same things he 
does.

Bombing doesn't work
Rule #3: Bombing foreign countries doesn't end terrorism, it provokes it.

Our government has bombed Libya, Iraq, the Sudan and Afghanistan, among other 
countries, supposedly to teach terrorists a lesson. But the bombings haven't caused 
terrorists or foreign governments to change their policies.


This is a crime, not a war
Rule #4: The terrorist attacks are a criminal matter, not a war.

War is by definition an armed conflict between governments. No government has claimed 
responsibility for the Sept. 11 attacks, and no government has been so accused.

Calling the present situation a war is an excuse to impose wartime policies against 
Americans and foreigners  including violations of the Bill of Rights and killing 
foreign civilians.

Because the September attacks were a crime, the government's job is to locate and 
bring to trial any perpetrators who didn't die in the attacks. If some of them are 
located in foreign countries, our government should requ
est extradition  not threaten to bomb the foreign country if we don't get our way.

If not all the criminals are found and brought to trial, it doesn't mean that bombing 
innocent people would have brought the criminals to justice.

Reverse positions
Rule #5: If you think you or America is entitled to something, reverse the positions 
and see how you'd react.

If Afghanistan doesn't turn bin Laden over to our government, ask yourself whether 
you'd want your government to turn you over to the Iranian government if it accused 
you of a crime.

If you don't think that American troops in almost a hundred foreign countries are a 
source of resentment, ask yourself how you'd feel if Chinese troops were stationed in 
America.

If you believe America has a right to bomb foreign countries for the actions of a few, 
ask yourself whether you'd want foreign governments to bomb your city because of 
something Bill Clinton did. (Haven't we already estab
lished that the terrorists were wrong to act upon their hatred for American foreign 
policy by killing innocent civilians?)

Government is incompetent
Rule #6: Government does not do anything well  even those functions delegated to it 
by the Constitution.

The government has the constitutional authority to operate a Post Office. But if it's 
urgent that a package get to the other side of America by tomorrow morning, will you 
trust the constitutional Post Office or will you u
se Federal Express?

Don't assume that just because the government has the legal authority to do something 
that it will actually succeed. So be careful what you ask for.

What is the objective?
Rule #7: There's no way to eliminate all terrorism in the world.

Terrorists have existed since biblical times. There will always be such criminals  
people who will kill innocent bystanders to make a social or political statement, or 
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[CTRL] Propaganda for the Masses


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Propaganda for the Masses:
Reflections on Hitler's use of Emotions
in Order to Manipulate Reason and Public Opinion.
Part One.
By Rick Smith
Oct. 4, 2001
http://educate-yourself.org/cnpropagandaforthemasses4oct01.html
 While the world is still in the grips of an emotional frenzy in
the wake of the terrorist attacks on New York and Washington, it is
worth
considering some of Adolf Hitler's observations on how such emotions
are
used to manipulate people. Emotional responses have been the source
of
untold suffering and bloodshed throughout the course of human
history.
As natural as emotions are, they are easily manipulated by external
forces
and can be used to control reason and action. Communications and
propaganda
experts have been aware of this fact for a very long time. Hitler
understood
this only too well. That Hitler was a monster can hardly be
questioned; the fact that he possessed a kind of mad genius and a
keen understanding
of how the masses think (or, rather, do not think) is equally
unquestionable.
 Hitler referred to emotion as a kind of doorway or gateway into
the more suggestible regions of the human heart and mind; once this
door
has been opened it is possible to get inside of people's heads and
direct
their responses and actions. In the wake of the economic collapse in
Germany
and the humiliations heaped upon the German people after World War I,
Hitler
was able to use the emotions that emerged from these events to
manipulate
public opinion and, ultimately, to lead his people into a terrible
and
destructive war. Where emotion was lacking, such as in the case of
the
Jewish question, events were staged or phony stories planted in order
to
fire people's emotions in the direction that the government wanted to
go. That a tyrant like Hitler was aware of and effectively used such
knowledge
should put all of us on guard. No intelligent person should allow
himself
or herself to be goaded into blindly supporting the actions of
government
merely because their emotions tell them so. What is right can only be
determined
in a state of emotional calm.
 Once your emotions are turned off, you can turn to the task of
analyzing the causes, effects, and solutions to the problems that
face
you. There is nothing inherently wrong with emotion, it is a
necessary
part of the human psyche; it is that which has allowed us to develop
a
sense of empathy for our fellow human beings. There is, for instance,
nothing
wrong with feeling emotion for the innocent victims of the World
Trade
Center attack, but one must also grant the same emotional sympathy to
the
sufferings of the innocent people that have been killed worldwide by
the
decisions and actions of the global super powers. Only fools allow
themselves to guided by their emotions; to do so is to allow yourself
to become a
mindless puppet of those who still practice Hitler's advanced
techniques
of manipulation. With the advent of television and mass communication
devices,
modern propaganda has become much more subtle, effective, and
powerful.
I am thus providing below a few snippets of Hitler's observations on
the
power of propaganda and of the crucial role that emotion plays in any
effective
propaganda campaign. By educating oneself in the techniques of
propaganda,
the reader stands a better chance of operating as a free and
independent
agent (rather than just as a part of a gigantic mindless mass).
 In the end, the reader should remember that propaganda is used
as much today as it ever was, and perhaps even more; if we allow
ourselves
to be manipulated by the spinmasters we could be led to the same
unspeakable
end that the German people faced. Let us sincerely try to avoid
subjecting
ourselves to lessons that, in a better world, should have been
learned
years ago. I would also like to warn my readers to be wary of the
those
who would stage and fabricate events designed to create emotional
responses,
as Hitler once did, in order to facilitate what would otherwise be
unpopular
agendas. To think that such ideas are mere conspiracy theory is to
make
a conscious decision to ignore history. Powerful people manipulate
the
masses quite consciously and quite deliberately, they always have,
and
probably always will (unless the masses wise up). A brief perusal of
the
writings of such people as Walter Lippmann, George Creel, Edward
Bernays,
and other influential government advisers should make this painfully
clear;
western academics and politicians have learned from the mass mind
manipulation
techniques employed by the Nazis, and incorporated them into newer,
subtler,
and better techniques. Propaganda for the Masses is the first part in
what
I hope to be an ongoing effort designed to lift the proverbial veil
of
global deception. Consider the excerpts provided below and then ask
your
self how these might apply to the modern world:
Excerpts from Adolf Hitler's Mein Kampf:
All great

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 The New World Order (NWO)
An Overview
By Ken Adachi [EMAIL PROTECTED]
http://educate-yourself.org/nwoindex.html Introduction
There is a worldwide conspiracy being orchestrated by an extremely
powerful and influential group  of genetically-related individuals
(at least at the highest echelons) which include many of the world's
wealthiest people, top political leaders, and corporate elite, as
well as members of the so-called Black Nobility of Europe (dominated
by the British Crown) whose goal is to create a One World (fascist)
Government, stripped of nationalistic and regional boundaries, that
is obedient to their agenda. Their intention is to effect complete
and total controlover every human being on the planet and to
dramatically reduce the world's population by 5.5 Billion people.
While the name New World Order is the term most frequently used today
when referring to this group, it's more useful to identify the
principal organizations, institutions, and individuals who make up
this vast interlocking spiderweb of elite conspirators.
The Illuminati is the oldest term commonly used to refer to the 13
bloodline families (and their offshoots) that make up a major portion
of this controlling elite. Most members of the Illuminati are also
members in the highest ranks of numerous secretive and occult
societies which in many cases extend straight back into the ancient
world. The upper levels of the tightly compartmentalized (need-to-
know-basis) Illuminati structural pyramid include planning committees
and organizations that the public has little or no knowledge of. The
upper levels of the Illuminati pyramid include secretive committees
with names such as: the Council of 3, the Council of 5, the Council
of 7, the Council of 9, the Council of 13, the Council of 33, the
Grand Druid Council, the Committee of 300 (also called the
Olympians) and the Committee of 500 among others.
In 1992, Dr John Coleman published  Conspirators Hierarchy: The Story
of the Committee of 300. With laudable scholarship and meticulous
research, Dr Coleman identifies the players and carefully details the
Illuminati agenda of worldwide domination and control. On page 161 of
the Conspirators Hierarchy, Dr Coleman accurately summarizes the
intent and purpose of the Committee of 300 as follows:
  A One World Government and one-unit monetary system, under
permanent non-elected hereditary oligarchists who self-select from
among their numbers in the form of a feudal system as it was in the
Middle Ages. In this One World entity, population will be limited by
restrictions on the number of children per family, diseases, wars,
famines, until 1 billion people who are useful to the ruling class,
in areas which will be strictly and clearly defined, remain as the
total world population.
 There will be no middle class, only rulers and the servants. All
laws will be uniform under a legal system of world courts practicing
the same unified code of  laws, backed up by a One World Government
police force and a One World unified military to enforce laws in all
former countries where no national boundaries shall exist. The system
will be on the basis of a welfare state; those who are obedient and
subservient to the One World Government will be rewarded with the
means to live; those who are rebellious will simple be starved to
death or be declared outlaws, thus a target for anyone who wishes to
kill them. Privately owned firearms or weapons of any kind will be
prohibited.
The sheer magnitude and complex web of deceit surrounding the
individuals and organizations involved in this conspiracy is mind
boggling, even for the most astute among us. Most people react with
disbelief and skepticism towards the topic, unaware that they have
been conditioned
(brainwashed) to react with skepticism by institutional and media
influences that were created by the Mother of All mind control
organizations: The Tavistock Institute of Human Relations in London.
Author and de-programmer Fritz Springmeier (The Top 13 Illuminati
Bloodlines ) says that most people have built in slides that short
circuit the mind's critical examination process when it comes to
certain sensitive topics. Slides, Springmeier reports, is a CIA
term for a conditioned type of response which dead ends a person's
thinking and terminates debate or examination of the topic at hand.
For example, the mention of the word conspiracy often solicits a
slide response with many people.
What most Americans believe to be Public Opinion is in
realitycarefully crafted and scripted propaganda designed to elicit a
desired behavioral response from the public. Public opinion polls are
really taken with the intent of gauging the public's acceptance of
the Illuminati's planned programs. A strong showing in the polls
tells the Illuminati that the programing is taking, while a poor
showing tells the NWO manipulators that they have

[CTRL] 9/11: America Ungoverned (fwd)


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Asalamu'alaikum,

9/11: America Ungoverned

BY MICHAEL VENTURA

The Austin Chronicle
October 5, 2001
http://www.auschron.com/issues/dispatch/2001-10-05/cols_ventura.html

The Los Angeles Times, USA Today, Time, and Newsweek agree the first plane
hit at 8:45am EST; The New York Times says 8:48; The Wall Street Journal,
about 8:50. The Los Angeles Times, USA Today, Newsweek, and The Wall
Street Journal report the second plane hit at 9:03; Time and The New York
Times say 9:06. According to The Los Angeles Times, USA Today, Time, and The
Wall Street Journal, the South Tower collapsed at 9:50; but The New York
Times puts it at 9:59 and Newsweek at 10:00 -- an extraordinary disagreement
about an event everyone watched. These sources almost unite about the
collapse of the North Tower, but not quite: 10:28, say The Los Angeles Times
and The New York Times; 10:29, Time and Newsweek; USA Today puts it at 10:30
and The Wall Street Journal at about 10:30.

In the shadow of the atrocity, these details have no importance. Still it's
striking that a historian, comparing the most authoritative news sources in
America, will be unable to discover the exact moment of these terrible
events -- though by the time the second plane hit, every news organization
in the country was fixed upon the World Trade Center. If such (seemingly)
easily verifiable details are already lost to history, how much trust can be
put in reports about, say, Osama bin Laden -- a figure known mostly from his
own propaganda (certainly not to be trusted) and from our seriously flawed
intelligence services? Also, there have been virtually no reports about
other terrorist networks (with whom we are, after all, going to war). As I
write, Americans still have zero dependable data upon which to base opinion
about our government's actions. This, in itself, is terribly dangerous.

There were two horrors on September 11. The first and greatest was the
attack itself. The other horror is something about which America seems now
to be in denial: On a crucial day in its history, our nation appeared to be
not only abysmally uninformed but ungoverned.

We can only hope our government's actions that day don't prefigure our
future.

Shortly after the first plane hits, President Bush gives a curt, tentative
statement and disappears. About 11am EST, an hour after the second tower's
collapse, Newt Gingrich is the first to liken this attack to Pearl Harbor.
At 11:39 Fox's Edie Donahue states the shocking truth: The target this
morning is America. The enemy, at the moment, is unknown. Soon after that,
the first live press conference by anyone in authority is given by whom? One
Joseph Lawless, the security director responsible for Boston's Logan
Airport, from which two hijacked planes took off. Then, a little after noon,
Yassar Arafat speaks: We are completely shocked. I am far more shocked
that Arafat is addressing my country at length before my president does.
Minutes later, New York Mayor Rudy Guiliani gives a live statement -- the
first live on-camera response from an elected American official since the
towers collapsed two hours before. He is calm, determined, honest,
unscripted. While he speaks, the caption-line is still giving President
Bush's only quote thus far: an apparent terrorist attack. No one knows
where Bush is. No one knows where Vice-President Cheney is. At 12:47 CNN's
Judy Woodruff reports: It has been difficult to get in touch with members
of Congress. It seems like there's no game plan in operation.

At 12:39 word is that Bush has landed at a base near Shreveport, La.
Incredibly, at 12:51, there is footage of a Taliban news conference by one
Wakil Ahmed Mutawakel. It is difficult to absorb that Arafat and the Taliban
have weighed in before Bush. Five minutes later ABC reports that in
Shreveport the president looked grim. His eyes were somewhat red. The only
hard information is that there are no national security people traveling
with the president. ABC's Peter Jennings, breaking protocol for news
anchors, says forcefully that the country needs words from its president in
Washington.

1:08: More than three hours after the second tower collapsed. A taped
message from President Bush. But the sound isn't transmitting, and the image
is jerky. Then the image goes backwards. Then it goes off. ABC reports that
a big helicopter landed at the Capitol, people got in and flew off; it's
unknown who they were or where they went. 1:12: CNN shows a split screen. On
the left, a taped Bush is saying, We will do whatever is necessary to
protect America and Americans; on the right, footage of the second plane
smashing into the tower. I'm no Bush fan, but I'm shocked at this display of
open contempt.

Bush is already in the air again, whereabouts unknown, by the time his
footage is shown. Later a lame excuse is given that Bush didn't go live in
Louisiana because there was no uplink, though everyone knows that Air Force
One can uplink to anywhere in the world.

[CTRL] The War of Terrorism Begins--Crimean-Congo Hemorrhagic Fever (CCHF)

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Subject: The War of Terrorism Begins--Crimean-Congo Hemorrhagic Fever (CCHF)
Date: Friday, October 05, 2001 5:45 AM

http://209.123.142.199/lawgiver/plague.asp

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The Plagues

The War of Terrorism Begins

October 4, 2001 A.D. -- A highly contagious virus, which eventually causes people to 
bleed  from mucus membranes within a few days after being infected, was officially 
confirmed on October 3 at the Pakistani border with Afghanistan. This is the largest 
outbreak since the first known case of this particular virus in the former USSR during 
WWII when over 200 people died.

According to a London Telegraph report, so far, at least 75 people have caught the 
virus and eight have already died.  Hospital sources place those deaths within the 
past 2-3 days.  An isolation ward, screened off by barbed wire, has been set up in the 
Pakistani city of Quetta, and an international appeal for help has been sent out.

As Afghan refugees flee their nation in wake of an impending war action from the U.S., 
those entering into Pakistan appear to be the victims of this new biological plague.  
The official Pakistani reports say that this disease is identified as the 
Crimean-Congo Hemorrhagic Fever (CCHF) and that it's source is from directly within 
Afghanistan.

This virus has symptoms very much the same as the deadly Ebola or Marburg viruses, 
whereby blood vessels, veins, and eventually arteries hemorrhage, causing an infected 
body to internally bleed to death.  This disease is identified by 3 segments of 
single-stranded, negative-sense RNA   The incubation period is anywhere from  two to 
five days, followed by hemorrhaging after three to five days for 75% of those 
infected.  Death occurs between six and 16 days after hemorrhages begin.

According to the published statistics, and based on the time of the confirmed deaths 
in the Pakistan isolation ward, that would place the beginnings of this plague inside 
the Afghanistan border anywhere from September 12 to 24, a time period immediately 
after the destruction of the World Trade Center.

It appears that some sort of an Angel of Death has suddenly and without warning 
befallen the people of Afghanistan.  Perhaps, this could explain why there have been 
no large scale military actions by the U.S. or NATO within Afghanistan, which most of 
the world had expected.

The question to be asked is this:  How does a sudden outbreak of an extremely rare RNA 
virus come about without any warning?  Secondly, is this the Divine work of God, or 
is this the work of ungodly men raging a biological war?  The answer is that God has 
nothing to do with this specific plague.

Biological Warfare (BW) is defined as the employment of biological agents to produce 
casualties in man or animals or damage to plants.  The symptoms and identification of 
this plague matches perfectly to a well known laboratory manufactured Hemorrhagic 
Fever (HF) virus of offensive Biological Warfare.

Biological Warfare (BW) agents can cause large numbers of casualties with minimal 
logistical requirements.  Small teams of perpetrators can escape long before BW agents 
cause casualties, due to the incubation periods of the agents.  In other words, a 
highly trained team can release CCHF into the air via remotely discharged small 
aerosol canisters without imminent danger to themselves, getting out of the target 
area before it becomes contaminated.

CCHF results in Disseminated Intravascular Coagulation (DIC) and causes the most 
severe hemorrhaging among all HF viruses.  This is the deadliest type of BW agent 
known.

What we're looking at is 50% casualties per square kilometer.  In 1970, the World 
Health Organization predicted that a city of 500,000 people would be devastated 
following an aerosol release of as little as 50 kg of a BW agent.

1.  The medical and technical facts appear to conclude that the CCHF virus was 
released into Afghanistan sometime very shortly after the September 11 WTC attack.

2.  The Washington City leaders have promised a War on Terrorism repeatedly since 
that date.

3.  President Bush has promised to capture, dead or alive, Osama bin Laden, the 
purported mastermind of the World Trade Center attack and the Afghanistan rebel leader 
said to be hiding there.

4.  There have been confirmed and unconfirmed news reports of small U.S. Military 
teams within the borders of Afghanistan. One media report even claimed that 3 U.S. 
Special Forces soldiers were captured within Afghanistan.

5.  The laboratory manufactured CCHF virus has been positively confirmed to be 
spreading throughout Afghanistan refugees fleeing into Pakistan.

According to an

[CTRL] Occupation Expanded: Abu Sneineh invaded by Israeli Forces (fwd)

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Occupation Expanded:  Abu Sneineh invaded by Israeli Forces
Friday, October 5, 2001
By Anita Fast

In the early hours of the morning, before the sun had even risen above the
Hebron hills, a series of explosions split the night sky.  Helicopters
circled.  Tanks rumbled down the streets.  The walls shook.  In the
distance, from the Palestinian neighborhood of Abu Sneineh, the deep roar
of walls collapsing in on themselves echoed across the Old City.

When morning arrived, and people started turning on their televisions and
radios, or saw the Israeli flags waving from places where there once had
been none, the events of the night before became clear.  The Israeli
military had occupied Abu Sneineh, previously a PA-controlled Hebron
neighborhood, killing six Palestinians and wounding at least seventy
others.  Hospitals were crowded with the wounded.  A number of homes were
demolished, others were taken over by soldiers to provide lookout and
shooting posts for the Israeli army.  At least twenty tanks did the job.

Christian Peacemaker Team members, Greg Rollins, LeAnne Clausen, and I
walked up into the Abu Sneineh neighborhood.  We followed the ruts cut into
the road by the tanks several hours earlier, passing by squashed cars and
crumbled walls which had been destroyed as the tank made its way through
the narrow streets, to a boys' school with a new Israeli flag on its
roof.  A tank sat in the schoolyard, and young boys gathered across the
empty lot throwing stones.  Several women approached us and said that two
young men had been taken from their home this morning and were being held
in the school.  They wanted to know what they should do.  Could we
help?  Could we talk with the soldiers and at least find out if the boys
were alive?

We approached the school and several soldiers stopped us outside the
doorway.  They were polite, but refused to allow us to see those who they
kept inside.  We inquired as to when the Palestinians would be
released.  In a few hours, we were told.  They assured us the Palestinians
were fine.  We aren't terrorists, they won't be tortured, said one
soldier. Our continued pleas to allow us to see the young men so that we
could assure their family that they were fine, fell on deaf ears.  This is
a closed military zone, we were told, and sent away.

  After calling a few people who could contact the appropriate channels to
pressure the Hebron commander to let the young men go, we went on up the
hill towards another house now occupied by soldiers.  It, too, had a tank
in the front yard.  The family had been cleared out, and sat on the porch
of the neighbor's home.  Another home, just behind the one occupied, lay in
rubble.  It blocked the view of the soldiers, said a passer-by.  They
want to be able to see clearly the whole area.  The owner of the house sat
with his head in his hands.

When will the military leave Abu Sneineh?  Will they?  No one knew.  No one
dared to speculate.

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[CTRL] GOP Driving Jews Out of State Legislatures (fwd)

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Date: Fri, 5 Oct 2001 12:03:40 -0700 (PDT)
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Jewish Dems: GOP Redistricting Plans Cross the Line
By RACHEL DONADIO
FORWARD STAFF
Republican-controlled redistricting efforts in Texas
and Utah could eliminate every Jewish Democratic state
representative in each of those states, the targeted
legislators are warning.

The redistricting efforts in both states will pit
incumbent Jewish Democrats against other incumbent
Democrats in new districts in ways that critics say
favor the non-Jews.

In Texas, the American Jewish Committee has testified
that the new map splits Houston's Jewish community in
thirds, weakening its voting power.

Republicans overseeing redistricting in Texas and Utah
say that Jewish lawmakers were not singled out for
their religion, but rather because they are Democrats.
Indeed, the new maps, based on 2000 Census data,
infuse current Democratic strongholds with Republicans
from surrounding areas, further jeopardizing the
Democrats' chances of re-election.

Yet, regardless of the motivations behind them, if the
maps are passed, analysts say that the clout of the
Jewish Democratic minority in both
Republican-dominated states could be diluted.

They're trying to do to a lot of us through
redistricting what they've been unable to do at the
ballot box, said Texas state Rep. Scott Hochberg, a
veteran Jewish Democrat from Houston. Democratic
members who have won repeatedly in districts that
elect Republicans are being removed from office by
virtue of the map.

I don't perceive it as purposeful anti-Semitism or
targeting, but the result remains the same, said Utah
State Rep. David Litvack.

Mr. Litvack and his only Jewish colleague in the
legislature, state Rep. Patrice Arent, both Democrats
from Salt Lake City, would be pitted against incumbent
Democrats from neighboring districts. The new seats
favor the non-Jewish incumbents. It's not always in
the intent where we see the injustice, Mr. Litvack
said.

Texas
In Texas, State Representatives Elliott Naishtat in
Austin and Steve Wolens in Dallas are two of four
Jewish Democrats who would be paired against other
Democratic incumbents in new districts with Republican
majorities.

Yet, the situation is most extreme in Houston where
Mr. Hochberg would be pitted against his fellow Jewish
Democrat, state Rep. Debra Danburg. The newly drawn,
largely Republican district would favor a GOP
incumbent.

It totally eliminates my district, said Mr.
Hochberg, a well-respected 10-year incumbent who
serves on the House Appropriations Committee. If the
map is passed, he said, I guess we look for work.

Mr. Hochberg's current district, which contains Rice
University and its medical center, has a strong
Democratic voice. It also contains much of the city's
Jewish community, which the proposed map would split
into three new districts: One would contain an
African-American majority, while another would stretch
almost to Texas's eastern border and be overwhelmingly
Republican.

They've effectively divided the community and limited
our ability to elect representatives, said Ben
Samuels, a vice president of AJCommittee's Houston
branch. We have testified and have lobbied and are
working to have our voice heard.

After the AJCommittee and others in the Jewish
community testified against the map, the Legislative
Board redrew it in a way that further divided the
Jewish community, Mr. Hochberg said.

The Houston map has drawn the ire of some
African-Americans and Hispanics for similar reasons.
Gay activists are upset that the new map bisects
Houston's gay community, which falls largely in Ms.
Danburg's district.

Democrats control Texas's state House of
Representatives, while the Senate has a narrow 16-15
Republican margin. The House proposed a redistricting
plan that did not eliminate any Jewish seats, while
the Senate did not propose any plan.

Because of the lack of consensus  exacerbated by the
governor saying that he would veto any legislative
plan  redistricting fell to a Legislative
Redistricting Board. Congressional redistricting fell
into the hands of the federal courts. Texas will gain
two congressional seats, for a total of 32.

Four of the board's five members are Republicans. Its
chairman is GOP State Attorney General John Cornyn.

The Cornyn plan paired up incumbent Democrats in eight
districts, incumbent Republicans in one district and
Democratic against GOP incumbents in nine seats,
creating 22 new open districts with no current
incumbent.

While the four Jewish Democrats were all paired in new
districts, the state's lone Jewish Republican, State
Senator Florence Shapiro from Dallas-Fort Worth, faces
no challenges.

This is the most partisan redistricting plan in the
history of Texas, said Mr. Naishtat.

Ms.

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again
while I do not rule out a biological attack, it always pats to see if there
are other possible explanations, and then decide what is most likely. The
last large outbreaks of this disease were in Afghanistan in the 70's.  It is
very likely that it existed still in isolated populations there. Suddenly
you have thousands of people and thousands of livestock all shoved together
in unsanitary refugee camp conditions. I would be surprised if there were
not viral outbreaks in such a setting. Again I dont rule out a biological
attack - I just find it less likely.


now lets look at some assumptions here presented as fact :

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Never wear your best trousers when you go out to fight for freedom and
truth.

Henrik Ibsen





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 1.  The medical and technical facts appear to conclude that the CCHF virus was
 released into Afghanistan sometime very shortly after the September 11 WTC
 attack.

the medical and technical facts show that the virus broke out after refugees
started to gather at the border. there are no facts which show it to have
been released



 2.  The Washington City leaders have promised a War on Terrorism repeatedly
 since that date.

yes. what does it prove?



 3.  President Bush has promised to capture, dead or alive, Osama bin Laden,
 the purported mastermind of the World Trade Center attack and the Afghanistan
 rebel leader said to be hiding there.

Attacking bin laden, and attacking refugees at the border are not the same
thing. Its like attacking Boston, because you heard he was in new orleans.



 4.  There have been confirmed and unconfirmed news reports of small U.S.
 Military teams within the borders of Afghanistan. One media report even
 claimed that 3 U.S. Special Forces soldiers were captured within Afghanistan.


again - proves nothing.


 5.  The laboratory manufactured CCHF virus has been positively confirmed to be
 spreading throughout Afghanistan refugees fleeing into Pakistan.

here's my favorite - where is the evidence that this is laboratory
manufactured?




 According to an October 2 USA Today report, Only an elite forces operation
 that lets Afghans fight the Taliban will be able to roust terrorists in
 Afghanistan, says a former British commando who spent more than a year under
 cover there training the guerrilla forces that fought the Soviets. Putting an
 army on the ground would be a fatal mistake and bombing strikes would play
 right into their hands, says Tom Carew, a former Special Air Services agent
 who worked side by side with the Mujahedin to fight the Soviets after they
 invaded Afghanistan two decades ago.

again true - but says nothing.



 If Washington City agrees with this assessment, then bombing strikes or
 sending large scale land troops into Afghanistan would be as much a calamity
 as the Russian military suffered in the 1980's, if not much greater.
 Therefore, only alternative methods of this War on Terrorism are possible if
 Washington City plans to make good on their word.

 This is all beginning to smell like lies and betrayal.  Worse, it all seems to
 add up to one very sad conclusion, and that is, the present U.S. leadership
 may be responsible for beginning a Biological War.  If this is true, and all
 confirmed reports appear to point in this direction, then there will most
 likely be Biological Warfare counter-retaliations right here on American soil,
 and innocent Americans will suffer in greater numbers than the innocent
 Afghanistans who are already dying.

 In the days to come, our world will surely change.  The mainstream media will
 continue to report what they are told they can, and most of us will never know
 the truth.  Regardless, those who are responsible for the release of the CCHF
 virus in Afghanistan must be brought to justice.  They are responsible for the
 beginning of what may become the worst war and terrorism the world has ever
 known.  It will make the mustard gas deaths of World War I look small in
 comparison.

 For thus says the Lord: 'Behold, I will make you a terror to yourself and to
 all your friends; and they shall fall by the sword of their enemies, and your
 eyes shall see it.'  Jeremiah 20:4 NKJV

oh good - religion. the same sort of thing that has people blow themselves
up.





 Most technical information concerning BW and the CCHF virus is taken from
 BIOLOGICAL WARFARE AND ITS CUTANEOUS MANIFESTATIONS, written by Thomas W.
 McGovern, MD, MAJ, MC and George W. Christopher, LTC, USAF, MC. The opinions
 and assertions contained therein are those of the authors and not to be
 considered as reflecting the views of the Department of the Army or the
 Department of Defense

 written and compiled by http://Lawgiver.Org



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Re: [CTRL] ANTI-CRUSADE, AWARD !


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 Subject: [CTRL] ANTI-CRUSADE,  AWARD ! (fwd)

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 Furthermore, the below analyses of the political situations
 in Israel and the US reveal that these terror actions were
 precisely what Sharon and Bush at this particular moment needed to get out
 of their deadlocks, and that hardly any other move could
 have brought about the present favorable situation for their
 genocidal policies.


their ability to capitalize on a situation is not the same as guilt.



 A very high percentage of probability therefore speaks in
 favour of the assumption  that more than 6000 working class
 people (NOT CEOs: they together with 4000 jews had been
 warned beforehand !) of many different nationalities were
 killed by their host country in order to produce the present situation.


this 4000 Jews thing just isn't true - it was from a hezbollah source, and
has no corroboration.




 The imperialists now have got free hands to start their
 already planned worldwide crusade for knocking down the
 global resistance movement against their globalization, including
 assasination of political opponents anywhere in the world,
 conquer Afghanistan as basis for pipelining the oil from the
 Caspian Sea and for missiles that can reach Russia and
 China, cancelling human rights, raising the oil prices, etc.


all true - but not proof




 By installing a half-wit and member of the NAZI community in
 the White House, Lockheed, Boeing, Raytheon, General
 Electric and other manufacturers of mass destruction weapons
 finally have got very good prospects after many meager
 years since the cold war.

 One of Bush's first actions in the crusade has been to force
 Pakistan to  stop sending food to the millions of Afghan
 refugees that are completely dependent on this aid for their survival.


yesterday a 320 million dollar aide package for Afghanistan was announced



 NEWS EMBARGO AFTER ISRAELI LINK
 http://www.unitedpeoples.net/NEWSEMB.html

 FBI detains 5 Israelis
 http://www.unitedpeoples.net/FBIdetain.html

 4000 Israeli Employees Absent
 http://www.unitedpeoples.net/4000Isra.html

 Israel tried to warn us
 http://www.unitedpeoples.net/Israeltried.html

 Israelis warned hours before
 http://www.unitedpeoples.net/Israeliswar.html

 More Facts
 http://www.unitedpeoples.net/MoreFacts.html

 Mossad behind the attacks
 http://www.unitedpeoples.net/Mossadbe.html

 Russian Air Force Chief
 http://www.unitedpeoples.net/RussianAir.html

 THEY KNEW !
 http://www.unitedpeoples.net/THEYKNEW.html

 Employee informs Air Line of La
 http://www.unitedpeoples.net/Employee.html

 US Planned Attack on Taliban
 http://www.unitedpeoples.net/USPlanned.html

 U.S. Military Trained Hijackers
 http://www.unitedpeoples.net/U.S.Military.html

 CIA and Mossad Drug Involvement
 http://www.unitedpeoples.net/CIAandMo.html

 Ariel Sharon / Bin Laden
 http://www.unitedpeoples.net/ArielSharon.html

 Bush's Afghani Oil Interests
 http://www.unitedpeoples.net/BushsAfg.html

 Why the Bush administration wants war
 http://www.unitedpeoples.net/WhytheBush.html

 'Empire' theory of globaliuzation
 http://www.unitedpeoples.net/Empire.html

 Analyses, Viewpoints, ...
 http://www.unitedpeoples.net/Analyses.html

 Against the US Web of Lies
 http://www.unitedpeoples.net/Against.html

 Who's responsible ?
 http://www.unitedpeoples.net/Whoisrespons.html

 PEARL HARBOUR II
 http://www.unitedpeoples.net/PEARLHARBOUR II.html

 Michael Harari alive ?!?
 http://www.unitedpeoples.net/MichaelHararia.html

 Israel - USA Conspiracy ?
 http://www.unitedpeoples.net/IsraelUSACon.html

 Fidel Castro Speech on Sept. 11
 http://www.unitedpeoples.net/FidelSept.11.html

 White House reneges on Proof Of Bin Laden's guilt
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Re: [CTRL] Occupation Expanded: Abu Sneineh invaded by Israeli Forces


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hey yardbird how come you didn't post about the 8 Israelis killed yesterday?
why the one sided-ness?

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 From: Yardbird [EMAIL PROTECTED]
 Reply-To: Conspiracy Theory Research List [EMAIL PROTECTED]
 Date: Fri, 5 Oct 2001 16:35:54 -0300
 To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
 Subject: [CTRL] Occupation Expanded: Abu Sneineh invaded by Israeli Forces
 (fwd)

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 -- Forwarded message --
 Date: Fri, 5 Oct 2001 15:06:22 -0400
 From: Zahi Damuni [EMAIL PROTECTED]
 Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
 To: Al-Awda News [EMAIL PROTECTED]
 Subject: [AL-AWDA] [cpthebron] Occupation Expanded: Abu Sneineh invaded by
 Israeli Forces

 From: CPT Hebron [EMAIL PROTECTED]
 Sent: Friday, October 05, 2001 12:52 PM

 Occupation Expanded:  Abu Sneineh invaded by Israeli Forces
 Friday, October 5, 2001
 By Anita Fast

 In the early hours of the morning, before the sun had even risen above the
 Hebron hills, a series of explosions split the night sky.  Helicopters
 circled.  Tanks rumbled down the streets.  The walls shook.  In the
 distance, from the Palestinian neighborhood of Abu Sneineh, the deep roar
 of walls collapsing in on themselves echoed across the Old City.

 When morning arrived, and people started turning on their televisions and
 radios, or saw the Israeli flags waving from places where there once had
 been none, the events of the night before became clear.  The Israeli
 military had occupied Abu Sneineh, previously a PA-controlled Hebron
 neighborhood, killing six Palestinians and wounding at least seventy
 others.  Hospitals were crowded with the wounded.  A number of homes were
 demolished, others were taken over by soldiers to provide lookout and
 shooting posts for the Israeli army.  At least twenty tanks did the job.

 Christian Peacemaker Team members, Greg Rollins, LeAnne Clausen, and I
 walked up into the Abu Sneineh neighborhood.  We followed the ruts cut into
 the road by the tanks several hours earlier, passing by squashed cars and
 crumbled walls which had been destroyed as the tank made its way through
 the narrow streets, to a boys' school with a new Israeli flag on its
 roof.  A tank sat in the schoolyard, and young boys gathered across the
 empty lot throwing stones.  Several women approached us and said that two
 young men had been taken from their home this morning and were being held
 in the school.  They wanted to know what they should do.  Could we
 help?  Could we talk with the soldiers and at least find out if the boys
 were alive?

 We approached the school and several soldiers stopped us outside the
 doorway.  They were polite, but refused to allow us to see those who they
 kept inside.  We inquired as to when the Palestinians would be
 released.  In a few hours, we were told.  They assured us the Palestinians
 were fine.  We aren't terrorists, they won't be tortured, said one
 soldier. Our continued pleas to allow us to see the young men so that we
 could assure their family that they were fine, fell on deaf ears.  This is
 a closed military zone, we were told, and sent away.

 After calling a few people who could contact the appropriate channels to
 pressure the Hebron commander to let the young men go, we went on up the
 hill towards another house now occupied by soldiers.  It, too, had a tank
 in the front yard.  The family had been cleared out, and sat on the porch
 of the neighbor's home.  Another home, just behind the one occupied, lay in
 rubble.  It blocked the view of the soldiers, said a passer-by.  They
 want to be able to see clearly the whole area.  The owner of the house sat
 with his head in his hands.

 When will the military leave Abu Sneineh?  Will they?  No one knew.  No one
 dared to speculate.

 *Photos of the invasion will be posted at www.cpt.org



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[CTRL] Find the Terrorist in Your Neighborhood

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Re: [CTRL] Occupation Expanded: Abu Sneineh invaded by Israeli Forces


-Caveat Lector-

Quite frankly I didn't see it or hear about it. Yesterday I was only
online for a few moments as I had two lectures and a lengthy interview to
attend to. Today I've been online much longer but I haven't actually
received any info from any list in re 8 Israelis being murdered. If
anything comes my way I'll be happy to post it.

On Fri, 5 Oct 2001, thew wrote:

 -Caveat Lector-

 hey yardbird how come you didn't post about the 8 Israelis killed yesterday?
 why the one sided-ness?
 
 Pluralitas non est ponenda sine neccesitate
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  From: Yardbird [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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  Date: Fri, 5 Oct 2001 16:35:54 -0300
  To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
  Subject: [CTRL] Occupation Expanded: Abu Sneineh invaded by Israeli Forces
  (fwd)
 
  -Caveat Lector-
 
  -- Forwarded message --
  Date: Fri, 5 Oct 2001 15:06:22 -0400
  From: Zahi Damuni [EMAIL PROTECTED]
  Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
  To: Al-Awda News [EMAIL PROTECTED]
  Subject: [AL-AWDA] [cpthebron] Occupation Expanded: Abu Sneineh invaded by
  Israeli Forces
 
  From: CPT Hebron [EMAIL PROTECTED]
  Sent: Friday, October 05, 2001 12:52 PM
 
  Occupation Expanded:  Abu Sneineh invaded by Israeli Forces
  Friday, October 5, 2001
  By Anita Fast
 
  In the early hours of the morning, before the sun had even risen above the
  Hebron hills, a series of explosions split the night sky.  Helicopters
  circled.  Tanks rumbled down the streets.  The walls shook.  In the
  distance, from the Palestinian neighborhood of Abu Sneineh, the deep roar
  of walls collapsing in on themselves echoed across the Old City.
 
  When morning arrived, and people started turning on their televisions and
  radios, or saw the Israeli flags waving from places where there once had
  been none, the events of the night before became clear.  The Israeli
  military had occupied Abu Sneineh, previously a PA-controlled Hebron
  neighborhood, killing six Palestinians and wounding at least seventy
  others.  Hospitals were crowded with the wounded.  A number of homes were
  demolished, others were taken over by soldiers to provide lookout and
  shooting posts for the Israeli army.  At least twenty tanks did the job.
 
  Christian Peacemaker Team members, Greg Rollins, LeAnne Clausen, and I
  walked up into the Abu Sneineh neighborhood.  We followed the ruts cut into
  the road by the tanks several hours earlier, passing by squashed cars and
  crumbled walls which had been destroyed as the tank made its way through
  the narrow streets, to a boys' school with a new Israeli flag on its
  roof.  A tank sat in the schoolyard, and young boys gathered across the
  empty lot throwing stones.  Several women approached us and said that two
  young men had been taken from their home this morning and were being held
  in the school.  They wanted to know what they should do.  Could we
  help?  Could we talk with the soldiers and at least find out if the boys
  were alive?
 
  We approached the school and several soldiers stopped us outside the
  doorway.  They were polite, but refused to allow us to see those who they
  kept inside.  We inquired as to when the Palestinians would be
  released.  In a few hours, we were told.  They assured us the Palestinians
  were fine.  We aren't terrorists, they won't be tortured, said one
  soldier. Our continued pleas to allow us to see the young men so that we
  could assure their family that they were fine, fell on deaf ears.  This is
  a closed military zone, we were told, and sent away.
 
  After calling a few people who could contact the appropriate channels to
  pressure the Hebron commander to let the young men go, we went on up the
  hill towards another house now occupied by soldiers.  It, too, had a tank
  in the front yard.  The family had been cleared out, and sat on the porch
  of the neighbor's home.  Another home, just behind the one occupied, lay in
  rubble.  It blocked the view of the soldiers, said a passer-by.  They
  want to be able to see clearly the whole area.  The owner of the house sat
  with his head in his hands.
 
  When will the military leave Abu Sneineh?  Will they?  No one knew.  No one
  dared to speculate.
 
  *Photos of the invasion will be posted at www.cpt.org
 
 
 
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[CTRL] White House Double-Crosses Democratic Freedom Fighters



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White House Double-Crosses Democratic Freedom Fighters (Again!)

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WHITE HOUSE DOUBLE-CROSSES DEMOCRATIC FREEDOM FIGHTERS

Before Tuesday, September 25, the official White House position on
Chechnya, as indicated by the US State Department press releases,
was that the people there were valiant freedom fighters struggling
for democracy against the invading military forces of Russia.  As
recently as July 18, 2001, Jesse Helms, Ranking Republican on the
Senate Foreign Relations Committee stated, President Putin continues
to execute a savage indiscriminate war against the Chechen people.

On September 25, 2001, that all  changed.  The White House is now
relabeling those exact same Chechen freedom fighters,  referring
to them instead as terrorists backed by Osama Bin Laden.

Why this sudden and startling about face?  Because Soviet President,
Vladimir Putin, has agreed to come on board the fragile Bush
coalition by offering weapon and logistic support to the nothern
alliance of Afganistan.  And Russia's support of America's holy
war is more important now than verbally defending freedom in
Chechnya.

Wouldn't be prudent. Make no mistake about it.

The message here to our little democratic friends everywhere is
that no matter what you do, no matter how just your cause, and no
matter what we say, you are disposable at whim, and pound for pound,
we are the most blatant and treacherous liars on the planet.  But,
nonetheless, please join OUR cause, because we really are for you.

Really, forget the past, we mean it this time. And if for some
puzzling reason you don't believe us now, we mean it next time too.

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[CTRL] A Very Bad Idea

2001-10-05 Thread klewis

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Review of Military's Domestic Role Urged 
 
 
By Vernon Loeb
Washington Post Staff Writer
Friday, October 5, 2001; Page A26 




Deputy Defense Secretary Paul D. Wolfowitz
said yesterday that to
enhance the nation's ability to counter terrorism, he strongly favors
reviewing a legal doctrine that has kept the U.S. military from
engaging in domestic law enforcement activities since 1878.


Testifying before the Senate Armed
Services Committee, Wolfowitz
said the Sept. 11 attacks on the World Trade Center and the
Pentagon have made it possible for Americans to envision terrorist
attacks -- particularly those involving chemical or biological
weapons -- in which the military would have unique response
capabilities.


Wolfowitz's comment came in response
to a question from Sen.
John W. Warner (R-Va.), the committee's ranking Republican.
Warner told Wolfowitz that he believes it is time to reexamine the
legal doctrine of posse comitatus and asked the Pentagon's
second-ranking official whether he agreed.


I agree very strongly,
Wolfowitz said. He added that it would be
much better to determine in advance how the military would
function under civilian control in the event of terrorist incident.


While much of the questioning involved
the Pentagon's response to
the Sept. 11 attacks and its new plans for homeland defense,
Wolfowitz appeared before the committee to discuss the
Quadrennial Defense Review, a congressionally mandated
codification of military strategy, force requirements and
organization.


The 71-page document, completed Monday
after months of
preparation, makes homeland defense the Pentagon's highest
priority and embraces transformational new technologies in
information warfare, intelligence and space.


In a critical revision, the document
does away with the military's
long-standing requirement to be able to win two major theater wars
simultaneously. Under the new plan, the military is expected to win
one major war decisively, meaning that it could occupy the enemy's
capital, if necessary. At the same time, the military would be able to
swiftly defeat a second adversary, engage in peacekeeping
operations and invest in advanced defense technologies.


Wolfowitz said the document represents
a paradigm shift in
planning the nation's future fighting force, defining six key priorities
for military transformation.


But the committee's chairman, Sen.
Carl M. Levin (D-Mich.),
criticized the document, calling it a vision statement that lacked
specifics about how Defense Secretary Donald H. Rumsfeld will
proceed beginning with next year's budget.


While the document makes homeland
defense the Pentagon's
highest priority, Levin said, it lacks detail on how the military will
rearrange itself to prevent terrorist attacks on U.S. soil and support
civilian authorities in managing their deadly consequences.


One specific initiative favored by
some transformation advocates
inside the U.S. Air Force -- the purchase of more B-2 stealth
bombers -- arose when Sen. Jean Carnahan (D-Mo.) asked
whether the Pentagon is considering an expansion of the fleet.


Previously, top Air Force officials
have said the answer is no. But
Air Force Lt. Gen. Bruce A. Carlson, a top planner on the
Pentagon's Joint Staff who appeared with Wolfowitz, said
expanding the B-2 fleet will be one of the options that the Air
Force considers.


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and there is no more 
effective way to limit thought than
to control the language itself. By 
changing definitions of words through
continual association, any
serious 
discussion involving the concepts
that the words represents
becomes 
hopelessly muddled. The words democracy,
hate and racism 
immediately comes to mind. -Thomas
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[CTRL] DC: Nearly 20,000 marchers for peace include WTC rescuers



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Via NY Transfer News * All the News That Doesn't Fit

[The mainstream press claims 10,000, so this is a good indication
that the crowd was somewhere around double that police estimate.
The mainstream press also quoted at least two WTC rescuers who took
the day off to protest President Lush (our Selected National
Embarrassment in Chief) and his Endurance Contest Crusade. The
usual group of right-wing cranks also assembled to counter-demonsrate
and to protect My Flag. Damn right, asshole, your flag -- not
ours. The Stars and Stripes don't represent us. -- NY Transfer]

Saturday September 29 7:42 PM ET (via Yahoo)

Anti-War Rally Draws Thousands to Washington

By Mark Wilkinson

WASHINGTON (Reuters) - Thousands of protesters peacefully flooded
the streets of the nation's capital on Saturday to call for peace,
as President Bush moved forward with plans for a military strike
against those responsible for the Sept. 11 attacks on the United
States.

Chanting war is not the answer, an estimated 10,000 demonstrators
assembled peacefully only blocks from the White House. Their voices
rose in opposition to the war on terrorism that the Bush
administration declared on Saudi-born militants including Saudi-born
Osama bin Laden, the chief suspect in the attacks, which left 6,500
dead or missing.

War is not the answer because the events on Sept. 11 were not the
first battle in the war. This has been an escalating cycle of
violence, Brian Becker, one of the protest organizers, told Reuters.

The U.S. has tens of thousands of troops in the Middle East. They
occupy Saudi Arabia, they bomb Iraq every week, they impose economic
sanctions in Iraq so dreadfully that the (United Nations) say 1.5
million Iraqi people have died, he added.

Many of the protesters traveled from across the country to join
the rally. James Creedon, a rescue worker in New York City, left
the rubble of Ground Zero, where the World Trade Center once stood
as a symbol of America's economic might, to join the medical teams
at the protests.

NO WORLD TRADE CENTERS

Like the people here I want justice done, but I don't want to see
the destruction of more innocent lives, Creedon told Reuters.
Many people at Ground Zero want international justice, but we
don't want to see a hundred or a thousand more World Trade Centers
in this country or abroad.

As hundreds of police officers in riot gear looked on, protesters
of all ages, races and movements carried banners bearing messages
that revenge would benefit nobody. Eye for an eye and we're all
blind,

one banner read. Violence does not solve violence, said another.

Although recent polls showed an overwhelming majority of the American
people support some form of military action, Becker said the
protesters represented a broad spectrum of the U.S. population.

It is the rainbow, it is what America looks like right now, Becker
said. The administration is unfortunately believing its own
propaganda and its own polls.

Protesters also demonstrated against the hundreds of attacks on
Arab Americans and Muslims carried out since the attacks across
the country.

PATRIOTS AMONG PROTESTERS

Between the demonstrators' chants and drum beats rose some voices
of support for the Bush administration and a forceful response to
the attacks that have stirred emotions across the world.

This isn't about racism, this is about exacting justice for 6,500
Americans and people from more than 70 countries around the world
were murdered, murdered, mass murdered, said Carter Wood, a
government employee who called the demonstrators the hard-core
anti-American left.

America mass murders every single day, interjected a masked
protester angered by Wood's remarks.

On Pennsylvania Avenue, one man walked swiftly past the protesters,
brandishing a sign that read Nuke them, and there will be no war.

Others, like Bill Fredericks, brandished signs reading God Bless
America, and said those responsible for the attacks were in a war
against America because of what the nation represents.

The people in the Middle East want to kill us no matter what we
say or do, just because we are Americans, Fredericks, an office
worker for telephone company, told Reuters.

Further away, anti-war protesters set an American flag aflame. A
young man grabbed the burning cloth and put the flames out, screaming,
Don't burn my flag -- ever.

Re: [CTRL] Prison Companies to Benefit

2001-10-05 Thread Samantha L.


-Caveat Lector-

From:
http://www.nypost.com/business/5741.htm

PRISON COS. GET HOT
By PAUL THARP

October 4, 2001 -- America's new wall of homeland security is creating a big
demand for cells to hold suspects and illegal aliens who might be rounded
up.

Stocks of private companies that build and operate prisons for governments
have zoomed as high as 300 percent in anticipation of internment camps and
new prisons.

Unfortunately, these are becoming good investments, said James MacDonald,
a prisons-security analyst at First Analysts Securities.

One company, Wackenhut Corp., may be able to put its expertise to work here.

Wackenhut has had some success running the immigrant camps in Austraila by
converting military bases, said MacDonald.

It could be done here, too, but turning our old military bases into
internment camps would be a highly charged issue for us, said MacDonald.
It would be too drastic.

He said the half-dozen publicly traded prison companies are in a buzz about
expanding prison projects being issued by the Federal Bureau of Prisons.

The Bureau has just let out requests for bids for two prisons to hold
criminal aliens in Georgia.

It's going to be the biggest award made this year by the Bureau, and it's
generated a lot of excitement, said MacDonald.

He said the Bureau is also seeking bids early next year for three more
prisons in the Southwest deserts that can hold more than 1,500 detainees.

Governments pay private prisons about $31,000 a year to handle each
jailbird - about half what a government agency spends to run a prison on its
own.

Private prison investors are also jubilant about an expected U.S. Supreme
Court ruling that would bar any inmate from suing a privately run prison for
civil rights violations.

The Bureau is expanding rapidly to free up extra space in its system, said
MacDonald.

In line to get a big piece of that business is the nation's largest private
prison company, Corrections Corp. of America. Its stock has soared 308
percent this year, and closed yesterday at $13.98, up 30 cents in active
trading.

The company was on the brink of bankruptcy just months ago, but a new
management team and the sudden new business in the aftermath of the Sept. 11
terror attacks has changed its prospects.

There's clearly a better outlook for the company than it had a few months
ago, said MacDonald.

The company runs about 65 prisons around the U.S. and Puerto Rico and
handles about 61,000 prisoners, including 500 in Leavenworth.

Analysts say many security companies got a huge and immediate profits boost
from supplying guards and new security in the aftermath of the terror
attack.

They got immediate returns, but it's going to take a while for any new
prisons to make their way into the market, said MacDonald.

Also helping the profits outlook for private prisons is an expected rise in
the crime rate due to the recession.

Crime always goes up in a bad economy, said MacDonald. Where's there are
good times and jobs are plentiful, people who get out of prison can usually
find work and don't have to go back to their old ways. When the economy
fails, so do the former inmates.

Federal prisons are the fastest growing in the U.S., rising as much as 10
percent a year. State prison populations have been in a decline for a few
years and barely will make a 1 percent rise this year, most of it expected
in the fourth quarter, said MacDonald.

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[CTRL] Portrait of bin Laden; Following the Bucks Could Embarrass US;



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IN THIS MESSAGE: Portrait of bin Laden; Following the Bucks Could
Embarrass US; US Unfairness Erodes Gulf State Support

September 30, 2001

IN PROFILE Bin Laden's Journey From Rich Pious Lad to the Mask of
Evil By ROBERT D. McFADDEN

(AFP) The myths and realities of Osama bin Laden swirl together
like the smoke over the ruins of the World Trade Center and its
thousands of dead. Who is this man?

Bin Laden's Network: Al Qaeda Is a Sprawling, Hard-to-Spot Web of
Terrorists-in-Waiting (September 30, 2001)

The Streets: Hatred of U.S. Burns in Pakistan's Biggest City
(September 30, 2001)

Issue in Depth: Osama bin Laden (September 26, 2001)

Agence France-Presse Osama Bin Laden raised money and brought in
his family's heavy equipment in the 1980's to help fortify the
Afghan resistance. Some mountain camps were later available to him
as training grounds for his recruits.

Agence France-Presse The taped lectures of Abdullah Azzam helped
to deepen the commitment of Osama bin Laden, shown above in a
photograph from a video believed to have been made by him and his
followers and released in June.



His face is everywhere and nowhere. He was born fabulously rich
but is thought to live in desert caves. He seems a soft-spoken
ascetic yet he could be the instigator of mass murder. He is an
outcast from family, country and religion yet is beloved by millions
for his holy war against America.

The myths and realities of Osama bin Laden swirl together like the
smoke over the ruins of the World Trade Center and its thousands
of dead. Who is this man?

To the United States government, the 44-year-old Saudi exile is
the most wanted fugitive in history, the founder and leader of a
terrorist network known as Al Qaeda (The Base), which has in a
decade trained 5,000 or more militants in Sudan and Afghanistan
and posted them to perhaps 50 countries to await their turn to
strike. And strike they have, American officials assert, with bin
Laden plans, money or inspiration behind the bombings of the trade
center in 1993 (6 dead), two American embassies in Africa in 1998
(224 dead) and the destroyer Cole in Yemen in 2000 (17 dead), and
the jetliners that collapsed the trade center towers, damaged the
Pentagon and crashed in Pennsylvania on Sept. 11 (more than 6,500
feared dead).

To millions of Americans, who have seen his face on television
daily and on the magazine covers and front pages of newspapers,
Mr. bin Laden is the mask of evil; in many minds he is already
guilty of killing thousands, although he has not been found, let
alone tried, and no evidence directly linking him with murder has
been made public.

To millions in the Islamic world who hate America for what they
regard as its decadent culture and imperial government, he is a
hero who shunned the easy life to battle the infidels for Allah,
who has justified killings with arcane interpretations of the Koran,
and carried them out with encrypted e-mail, and plots stored on
CD-ROM's.

A Guest Under a War Cloud

To the Taliban, the extremist Islamic clerics who have ruled
Afghanistan and given him haven since 1996, he is a a spiritual
and political ally and a source of money, but one whose presence
has become a growing liability.

And to those closest to him, there is yet another man  the family
man who takes his 3 wives and 15 children from cave to cave, moving
every night or two, with dozens of bodyguards  one a bin Laden
double  in a desert-roving caravan of land cruisers armed with
missiles.

Mr. bin Laden went from a childhood of lofty privilege and education
in Saudi Arabia to being galvanized by the war against the Soviets
in Afghanistan in the 1980's. Investigators say he went to Sudan
for five years in the early 1990's to build his network and multiply
his fortune, then to Afghanistan, to wage war.

Along the way, the young man  one of 52 children of an immigrant
Yemeni bricklayer who became Saudi Arabia's richest building
contractor  moved from boyish piety to youthful carousing in the
bars of Beirut, then back to Islamic fervor.

Inherited wealth and religious zeal were his formative early pillars.

Later there would be harsh emotions: outrage at Soviet invaders in
Afghanistan, indignation over American support for Israel, anger
at what he saw as Western imperialism, and finally a hatred

Re: [CTRL] Review of Military's Role was....A Very Bad Idea

2001-10-05 Thread Samantha L.


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(klewis, your post came through with all the html code and was hard to read,
so I'm re-posting it here.  I agree - a Very Bad Idea.) Samantha

http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/articles/A8944-2001Oct4.html

By Vernon Loeb
Washington Post Staff Writer
Friday, October 5, 2001; Page A26

Deputy Defense Secretary Paul D. Wolfowitz said yesterday that to enhance the
nation's ability to counter terrorism, he strongly favors reviewing a legal
doctrine that has kept the U.S. military from engaging in domestic law
enforcement activities since 1878.

Testifying before the Senate Armed Services Committee, Wolfowitz said the
Sept. 11 attacks on the World Trade Center and the Pentagon have made it
possible for Americans to envision terrorist attacks -- particularly those
involving chemical or biological weapons -- in which the military would have
unique response capabilities.

Wolfowitz's comment came in response to a question from Sen. John W. Warner
(R-Va.), the committee's ranking Republican. Warner told Wolfowitz that he
believes it is time to reexamine the legal doctrine of posse comitatus and
asked the Pentagon's second-ranking official whether he agreed.

I agree very strongly, Wolfowitz said. He added that it would be much
better to determine in advance how the military would function under civilian
control in the event of terrorist incident.

While much of the questioning involved the Pentagon's response to the Sept.
11 attacks and its new plans for homeland defense, Wolfowitz appeared before
the committee to discuss the Quadrennial Defense Review, a congressionally
mandated codification of military strategy, force requirements and
organization.

The 71-page document, completed Monday after months of preparation, makes
homeland defense the Pentagon's highest priority and embraces
transformational new technologies in information warfare, intelligence and
space.

In a critical revision, the document does away with the military's
long-standing requirement to be able to win two major theater wars
simultaneously. Under the new plan, the military is expected to win one major
war decisively, meaning that it could occupy the enemy's capital, if
necessary. At the same time, the military would be able to swiftly defeat a
second adversary, engage in peacekeeping operations and invest in advanced
defense technologies.

Wolfowitz said the document represents a paradigm shift in planning the
nation's future fighting force, defining six key priorities for military
transformation.

But the committee's chairman, Sen. Carl M. Levin (D-Mich.), criticized the
document, calling it a vision statement that lacked specifics about how
Defense Secretary Donald H. Rumsfeld will proceed beginning with next year's
budget.

While the document makes homeland defense the Pentagon's highest priority,
Levin said, it lacks detail on how the military will rearrange itself to
prevent terrorist attacks on U.S. soil and support civilian authorities in
managing their deadly consequences.

One specific initiative favored by some transformation advocates inside the
U.S. Air Force -- the purchase of more B-2 stealth bombers -- arose when Sen.
Jean Carnahan (D-Mo.) asked whether the Pentagon is considering an expansion
of the fleet.

Previously, top Air Force officials have said the answer is no. But Air Force
Lt. Gen. Bruce A. Carlson, a top planner on the Pentagon's Joint Staff who
appeared with Wolfowitz, said expanding the B-2 fleet will be one of the
options that the Air Force considers.



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[CTRL] Fresh Doubt Is Raised About French Explosion

2001-10-05 Thread klewis

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Fresh Doubt Is Raised
About French Explosion 






Joseph
Fitchett 





International Herald Tribune 
Friday, October 5, 2001
Minister Speculates on Possibility
of Terrorism 
PARIS 
As speculation continued swirling
in France about the causes
of a deadly, massive industrial blast last month in Toulouse,
the French environmental minister, Yves Cochet, said
Thursday that the blast might not have been an accident and
speculated that it might have a terrorist origin. .But no
actual evidence of terrorism has been uncovered yet,
according to other French sources with access to police
inquiries. They said that a slow, accidental chemical reaction
remained the probable cause of the explosion, which killed 29
people, injured 3,200 and devastated a swath of the
southwestern French city. .Mr. Cochet's comments, citing an
undisclosed new piece of information, coincided with media
disclosures about the identity of a body found in the rubble.
 The corpse was reportedly that
of a North African-born
worker named Hassan Jandoubi, 35, who is said to have
rejoiced about the Sept. 11 suicide bombings against New
York and Washington. Five days after those attacks, on Sept.
16, Mr. Jandoubi obtained a temporary job via a local
employment agency at the sprawling fertilizer complex owned
by ATZ, a subsidiary of TotalFinaElf, the French
petrochemical giant. According to official sources cited in
French newspaper reports, he had been working at the
complex for five days when the explosion occurred Sept. 21.
 So little was known about him that
he did not figure in the
initial lists of workers killed in the blast. The night before,
witnesses said, Mr. Jandoubi had quarreled loudly with truck
drivers outside the plant over the American flags decorating
their cabs in sympathy with the U.S. victims of the terrorist
attacks. French investigators are said to believe this may have
been a sign of his extremist views and sympathy for Islamic
terrorism. 
When his body was uncovered, Mr.
Jandoubi was clad in two
pairs of trousers and four pairs of underpants, according to an
autopsy leaked to the French press. Other Muslim suicide
bombers have worn special garb covering their private parts,
according to the French newspaper Le Figaro, which
speculated in an article Thursday that he might have been a
trained Islamic terrorist. 
So far, investigators have not linked
him to the Osama bin
Laden organization or other terrorist groups, a connection that
would send a shock wave through France. An investigator in
Toulouse complained that a search of Mr. Jandoubi's
apartment for clues was spoiled because magistrates took
five days to issue a search warrant. 
The apartment had been completely
cleaned out - no clothes,
no photos, nothing - by the time the police got in, according
to an official who spoke to the daily Le Parisien on condition
of anonymity. 
Prime Minister Lionel Jospin has
promised legal changes to
facilitate police work aimed at combating terrorism, but few
changes have come into effect yet. 
French officials have appeared to
struggle since Sept. 21 in
trying to manage public perceptions about the Toulouse
explosion, France's worst industrial disaster since World War
II. It came at a moment of acute international apprehension
about major terrorist acts. France has special worries about its
large Muslim minority, which includes many fundamentalists
like Mr. Jandoubi, whose views have been shaped in poor and
isolated Arab-populated suburbs. 
In trying to calm apprehensions
among the French public,
officials have to deal with a legacy of mistrust about their
reassurances regarding the security of nuclear reactors and
toxic industrial processes. French skepticism is nourished by
memories of official deception in France about the Chernobyl
nuclear accident in 1986: For years, Paris insisted, falsely, it
was later admitted, that there had been no radioactive fallout
on French soil. 
In Toulouse, government officials
have steadily denied
finding any evidence of terrorism so far, and last week the
French prosecutor handling the case said publicly that he was
99 percent certain that the explosion was an accident. When
he failed to substantiate the assertion, it triggered fresh
speculation across France about the remaining point of doubt.
 Mr. Cochet, the cabinet minister
who evoked the possibility
of terrorism, is a member of the Green party who was recently
named head of a government ministry partly responsibility for
industrial safety. He said in a television interview Thursday
that the authorities were not ruling out any hypothesis.
 Suggestions of terrorism were played
down by Jean-Michel
Baylet, the publisher of the main Toulouse newspaper, the
Depeche du Midi. A ring of conspirators would have been
needed to ignite the chemicals, but no one has come up with a
shred of evidence after two weeks of investigations, he

[CTRL] Hitchens 911


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From www.wsws.org
WSWS : Polemics
The political depravity of journalist Christopher Hitchens
By David Walsh
5 October 2001
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A historical turning point has this benefit: it brings out an
individuals true political physiognomy. What has been extraneous or
cosmetic falls away, and the essence emerges.
Such is the case with journalist Christopher Hitchens (Nation, Vanity
Fair), who has in the past been known as a left critic of American
society, a dispenser of piquant comments about the foibles of the
establishment. Most of those who followed his writing did so for that
reason.
However, Hitchens recent comments on the September 11 World Trade
Center attack indicate that he has irretrievably passed over to the
extreme right. His permanent and final political identity, which was
always the essential one, has now solidified.
The British-born Hitchens hitched his wagon to the star of the US
political and military establishment during the Bosnia and Kosovo
conflicts, as one of the most fervent advocates of American
intervention in the Balkans against the Milosevic regime in Serbia.
The columnist cultivated a relationship with the ultra-right through
his promotion of the anti-Clinton impeachment drive. He served on one
occasion as finger-man for the House Republicans, signing an
affidavit at their request alleging that Sidney Blumenthal, a Clinton
aide, had provided him with information disparaging to Monica
Lewinsky. This was part of an effort to set Blumenthal up on perjury
charges.
Similarly, Hitchens lined up with the Bush forces in the aftermath of
the theft of the November 2000 election, making liberal self-pity
and mobbish Democrats his chief targets.
In two recent articles in the Nation (Against Rationalization and
Of Sin, the Left  Islamic Fascism) and one in the British
Spectator (The Fascist Sympathies of the Soft Left), Hitchens has
taken to task leftists whom he asserts are rationalizing the
September 11 attack on the World Trade Center as a just, or partially
just, payback for US policies in the Middle East.
Hitchens singles out the following comment of Sam Husseini of the
Institute of Public Accuracy in Washington DC: The fascists like bin
Laden could not get volunteers to stuff envelopes if Israel had
withdrawn from Jerusalem like it was supposed toand the US stopped
the sanctions and bombing on Iraq.
Hitchens is outraged by the suggestion that the attack in New York
had any connection to US policy in the Middle East. He prefers to
attribute the actions of the suicide pilots to the Islamic fanaticism
of a sect whose grievance and animosity predate even the Balfour
Declaration, let alone the occupation of the West Bank. The gates of
Vienna would have had to fall to the Ottoman jihad before any balm
could begin to be applied to these psychic wounds.
This is ahistorical and, at its heart, racist-chauvinist nonsense.
There is not a great leap from his position to the Bush
administrations worldwide crusade of good versus evil, or the
ravings of Silvio Berlusconi, Italys notoriously corrupt right-wing
prime minister, who proclaimed the need for a Western crusade for
civilized values. By proclaiming the absence of any socio-
historical circumstances that might have played a role in the recent
attack, Hitchens evades making any assessment of the Middle Eastern
political and economic situation.
Any such analysis would have to take into account the responsibility
of the US and the other major powers for the denial of Palestinian
democratic rights and national aspirations, the mass murder of
Iraqis, and the horrible conditions that generally prevail in the
region. This does not mean that the Islamic fundamentalist movements
are progressive or have any genuine anti-imperialist credentials.
They are, in fact, deeply reactionary and hostile to the interests of
the working class and oppressed masses. However, it is ludicrous to
deny any link between American policies and the ability of such
movements to find recruits and even, in some countries, a degree of
popular sympathy.
In his recent articles Hitchens also attacks Noam Chomsky, the
linguist and radical critic of US foreign policy, for comparing the
cruise missile attack launched by the Clinton administration on Sudan
in August 1998 to the September 11 terror attack on the World Trade
Center. Hitchens writes: To mention this banana-republic degradation
of the United States in the same breath as a plan, deliberated for
months, to inflict maximum horror upon the innocent is to abandon
every standard that makes intellectual and moral discrimination
possible.
The World Socialist Web Site has clearly defined political
differences with Chomsky, but his response to Hitchens is
appropriate. He notes that the cruise missile raid on Khartoum
destroyed half the pharmaceutical supplies of a poor African country
and the facilities for replenishing them, with an

[CTRL] Thobani's speech


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October 3, 2001
Colonized in the name of the West
National Post
This is a condensed version of Sunera Thobani's speech to the Women's
Resistance Conference in Ottawa on Monday.
- - -
There will be no emancipation for women anywhere on this planet until
the Western domination of this planet is ended. And more than ever,
more than ever, we need to heed those words. Especially as all of us
are being herded into the possibility of a massive war at the behest
of the United States. We need to hear those words even more clearly
today.
We have seen and all of us have felt the traumatic pain of watching
those attacks and trying to grasp the facts of the numbers of peoples
who died. We feel the pain of that every day we have been watching it
on television. But do we feel any pain for the victims of U.S.
aggression? Two-hundred thousand people killed only in the initial
war on Iraq. That bombing of Iraq has continued for 10 years now. Do
we feel the pain of all the children in Iraq who are dying from the
sanctions that were imposed by the United States? Do we feel that
pain on an everyday level? Share it with our families and our
communities and talk about it on every platform that is available to
us? Do we feel the pain of Palestinians who now for 50 years have
been living in refugee camps?
This new war against terrorism that's being launched, it's very old. And it's a very 
old fight of the West against the rest. Consider the language which is being used to 
mobilize people: calling the perpetrators evil doer
s, irrational, calling them the forces of darkness, uncivilized, intent on destroying 
civilization, intent on destroying democracy. They hate freedoms, we are told.
Every person of colour, and I would want to say also, every aboriginal person, will 
recognize that language. It was used to justify our colonialization by Europe. We were 
colonized in the name of the West bringing civiliz
ation, democracy, freedom to us.
All of us recognize who is being talked about when that language is being used. The 
terms crusade, infinite justice, cowboy imagery of Dead or Alive posters. We all know 
what they mean.
People in the West also recognize who this fight is against. Cries heard all over the 
Western world: We're all Americans now. People who are saying that recognize who this 
fight is against.
People who are attacking Muslims or any person of colour who looks like they could be 
from the Middle East, without distinguishing, recognizes who this fight is against. 
These are not just slips of the tongue that Bush qu
ickly tries to reject. They reveal a thinking, a mindset.
And it's horrific to think that the fate of the world hangs on the plans of people 
like that. This will be a big mistake for us, if we just accept that these are just 
slips of the tongue. They are not. They reveal the thi
nking, and the thinking is based on dominating the rest of the world in the name of 
bringing freedom and civilization to it.
Reject this kind of jingoistic militarism and recognize that as the most heinous form 
of patriarchal racist violence that we're seeing on the globe today.
The women's movement has to stand up to this. There is no option for us. We have to 
fight back against this militarization. We have to break the support that is being 
built in our countries for this kind of attack.
The lesson we have learned and the lesson that our politicians should
have learned is that you cannot slaughter the people into submission.
For 500 years they have tried that strategy.
The West for 500 years has believed that it can slaughter people into
submission and it has not been able to do so. And it will not be able
to do so this time, either.

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[CTRL] Jeb Bush signed Florida TWO YEAR emergency order 4 days BEFORE attack


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look at all the evidence from operation paperclip to
recent revelations...G.W. Bush Jr. IS the White House
mole!

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WHO KNEW?:
Jeb Bush signed Florida
TWO YEAR emergency order
4 days BEFORE attack
24th September, 2001
A PsyOpNews.com Alert

Seems like everybody and his uncle knew about this
attack in advance. Inside traders and Governments and
even good ol' Jeb Bush. He took over Florida 4 days
before the attack. Bye, bye Florida. Hello General
Jeb.

Now, how many States does that leave us in the
Union?

Friday, September 7,
Florida Governor Jeb Bush,
Executive Order No. 01-261.
I hereby [..] order members of the Florida National
Guard into active service, [..] to support
law-enforcement personnel and emergency-management
personnel in the event of civil disturbances [..] and
to [..] support to law-enforcement personnel[..]. This
Executive Order shall remain in full force and effect
until the earlier of its revocation or June 30, 2003.


On November 3, 1998 one of thirteen revisions to the
Constitution of the State of Florida was:

REVISION 13 CLARIFICATIONS:
This specific Revision: [..] allows prison sentences
in court-martial actions[..]; allows direct appeal of
courts-martial to specified state court and advisory
opinions from federal military courts; [..].

The average Floridian should be asking 'What do
court-martial actions and the opinions of federal
military courts have to do with us?'. The answer is
everything.

Look closely at how this revision has now revised
ARTICLE I, BILL OF RIGHTS, SECTION 18 in the Florida
1968 Constitution:

SECTION 18. Administrative penalties.
--No administrative agency, except the Department of
Military Affairs in an appropriately convened
court-martial action as provided by law, shall impose
a sentence of imprisonment, nor shall it impose any
other penalty except as provided by law.

This simply means that the military within Florida may
imprison anyone - civilian and military alike - in a
court-martial action, which is not necessarily a
proper 'hearing'.

Because now all State of Florida Judicial Courts are
actually Military Court-Martial Courts.

This is a catch-all that allows any State
Administrator, to impose a prison sentence for
violation of any Executive Orders (EO's) from the
Governor, who is also the Military Commander of the
State of Florida.

NOTE FROM HISTORY: In May 1865, after the Union of
southern Confederate States had officially
surrendered, the nation of Florida and its capitol was
fully occupied by Federal Union troops whose military
commander then suspended all civil law and declared
martial law to be in full force and effect.

SEE ALSO: THOSE LAW CHANGES IN DETAIL
SEE ALSO: EXEC ORDERS 01-261 and 01-262
SEE ALSO: RENSE.COM ARTICLE



Sept. 7th Executive Order:

http://sun6.dms.state.fl.us/eog_new/eog/orders/2001/september/eo2001-261-09-07-01.html


EXECUTIVE ORDER NUMBER
01-261
WHEREAS, the Florida National Guard has the statutory
responsibility to provide support to law-enforcement
personnel and emergency-management personnel in the
event of civil disturbances or natural disasters; and

WHEREAS, the Florida National Guard has the
responsibility to provide training support to
law-enforcement personnel and community-based
organizations relating to counter drug operations; and


WHEREAS, the Florida National Guard must train to meet
such responsibilities; and

WHEREAS, the Florida National Guard is funded for any
such training by budgetary appropriation or grants
before any such training; and

WHEREAS, the Florida National Guard must conduct such
training in active service of the state, as defined by
Section 250.27, Florida Statutes (also known as active
military service and state active duty) for members of
the Florida National Guard to be covered by Section
250.34, Florida Statutes; and

WHEREAS, as Governor, I may delegate the authority
contained in Section 250.06(4), Florida Statutes, to
order training to help respond to civil disturbances,
natural disasters, and counter drug operations to The
Adjutant General of the State of Florida; and

WHEREAS, it is in the best interest of the State of
Florida that I delegate such authority, so that the
Florida National Guard is adequately trained to meet
its obligation to help respond to civil disturbances,
natural disasters, and counter drug operations and so
that members of the Florida National Guard performing
such training are covered by Section 250.34, Florida
Statutes; and

WHEREAS, the Governor may order the Florida National
Guard to provide extraordinary support to law
enforcement upon request and such a request has been
received from the Florida Department of Law
Enforcement (FDLE) to assist FDLE in performing port
security training and inspections.

NOW, THEREFORE, I, JEB BUSH, as Governor of Florida,
by virtue of the authority vested in me by Article IV,
Section 1(a) of the Florida Constitution, and by
Section 250.06(4), Florida Statutes, and all

[CTRL] America's New War


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http://www.psyopnews.com

America's New War
29th September, 2001
A PsyOpNews.com Alert

I suppose it was inevitable that the New World Order
would turn out to actually be the New War-ld Order.
And that George Bush, Jr. would promote himself to be
War-ld Leader. Lord help us.


by Richard Sauder, PhD
[EMAIL PROTECTED]
16 September 200


Necessity
is the plea for
every infringement
of human liberty;

it is the argument
of tyrants; it is the creed of slaves.
William Pitt

Perhaps it is a universal truth that the loss of
liberty at home is to be charged to provisions against
danger, real or pretended, from abroad.
James Madison,
1798


I want to underscore at the outset that it goes
without saying that the assault on the World Trade
Center was horrific. As I watched the plane slam into
the tower, people jumping to their death from hundreds
of feet up, and then both of the towers crumbling, I
found myself saying, How bizarre. And then, My God.
Thousands of people just died. I was rendered
speechless. The event was so far out of my experience
that I watched it in numb disbelief.

The numbness persists. But in this novocaine-like
numbness several thoughts have kept coming to the fore
of my mind. Let me set them out for you. I ask that
you reflect on them soberly. I believe you may see
some truth in what I say -- perhaps a great deal more
truth than in the so-called official pronouncements
you hear and see in the major news media outlets these
last few days.


1. This was an extremely sophisticated operation. More
than one observer has mentioned its almost military
efficiency --as if it had the backing of a well-oiled
intelligence machine behind it. My question: was a
well-oiled intelligence machine behind it? Are we
seeing a massive intelligence operation, with
considerable resources behind it? Are we really to
believe that one man in a turban on the other side of
the planet is the major driving force behind this? Or
might the source of this very sophisticated conspiracy
lie much closer to home, right in the United States
itself? As I recall, bin Laden got his start as an
indirect (or was it direct?) CIA-asset, as a mujahadin
warrior fighting against the Soviet Army during their
abortive 10-year invasion of Afghanistan. Question: is
bin Laden still a CIA-asset today? Does the CIA use
him and his followers as a mercenary force on
cut-out operations where they need plausible
deniability? Like say, for a massive, staged-for-TV
terrorist operation on American soil? Don't lash out
at me for posing the question. THINK.


2. I have read that the plane that struck the Pentagon
first flew toward/near/over the White House, before
veering away and over the Potomac to the Pentagon. The
White House has defenses for PRECISELY this type of
event. Why were they not activated? Was the plane
expected? Or did it receive other, um, flight
instructions en route? THINK.


3. The White House issued a statement saying that
there was credible evidence that the hijackers had
access to secret codes and information concerning the
presidential jet, Air Force One, such that George
Bush, Jr. fled first to Louisiana and then to
Nebraska, before returning to Washington, DC at the
end of the day. If this statement is true, then that
presupposes that this attack may have roots that
extend into the most secret levels of the Executive
branch of the United States government. Those codes
are very closely held. I don't have them and neither
do you. Yet we have been led to believe by the Bush
White House that the hijackers somehow may have had
them. How is this possible? Could the conspiracy
extend into the Federal Government itself? (It occurs
to me that the White House's assertion that the
hijackers had access to TOP SECRET codes might also be
false, in order to make George Jr.'s day on the run
appear less, shall we say, cowardly, and more, er,
presidential. If so that would then call the
truthfulness of other statements and pronouncements
made that same day into question. So -- we are
ineluctably faced either with deceit and lies by the
White House, or with a conspiracy that may reach very
deep indeed into the United States government itself--
or maybe both!) THINK.


4. Are we looking at some kind of coup d'etat in
progress? Look at the two major targets that were hit:
the nerve center of the American military (The
Pentagon) and the nerve center of the American economy
(Lower Manhattan). You know, in many other countries,
if the national military headquarters and major
financial centers were massively bombed at the same
time it would be instantly understood that there was
possibly a coup d'etat underway, with rival factions
within the military and the business elite vying for
control.

But not in the USA. Nope. This is the land of the
lone-nut-conspiracy. Where any complex matter, no
matter how intricate and sophisticated it may be gets
reduced to one lone nut. It usually takes only a
matter of hours. And, yep, sure enough: one

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Subject: Operation 911: NO SUICIDE PILOTS
   Date: Fri, 5 Oct 2001 13:01:18 -0400
   From: Carol A. Valentine [EMAIL PROTECTED]
 To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]


Operation 911: NO SUICIDE PILOTS

by Carol A. Valentine
Curator, Waco Holocaust Electronic Museum
http://www.Public-Action.com/SkyWriter/WacoMuseum

October 5, 2001--There were no suicide hijackers aboard those jets
on September 11.  Advanced robotics technology, not the hijackers,
was controlling the jets when they crashed.  Fantastic?  Before I
explain, read about the history-making robot jet plane.

Global Hawk--Here You Have It ...

The Northrop Grumman Global Hawk is a robotized American military jet
that has a wingspan of a Boeing 737.  The excerpts below were taken
from an article entitled:  Robot plane flies Pacific unmanned,
which appeared in the April 24, 2001 edition of Britain's
International Television News:

'The aircraft essentially flies itself, right from takeoff, right
through to landing, and even taxiing off the runway,' according to
the Global Hawk's Australian manager Rod Smith.

===

A robot plane has made aviation history by becoming the first
unmanned aircraft to fly across the Pacific Ocean.

The American high-altitude Global Hawk spy plane flew across the
ocean to Australia, defence officials confirmed.

The Global Hawk, a jet-powered aircraft with a wingspan equivalent
to a Boeing 737 [NOTE: two of the aircraft involved in the 911
crashes were Boeing 757s, two were Boeing 767s] flew from Edwards Air
Force Base in California and landed late on Monday at the Royal
Australian Air Force base at Edinburgh, in South Australia state.
. . .

It flies along a pre-programmed flight path, but a pilot monitors
the aircraft during its flight via a sensor suite which provides
infra-red and visual images. 

The article was available on the ITN website on September 19, at this
URL:

http://www.itn.co.uk/news/20020424/world/05robotplane.shtm

...Now You Don't

Then, on September 20, 2001, The Economist published comments from a
former boss of British Airways, Robert Ayling:

On autopilot into the future
Robert Ayling, a former boss of British Airways, suggested in the
Financial Times this week that aircraft could be commandeered from
the ground and controlled remotely in the event of a hijack ...
(as quoted by KC ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) on alt.current-events.wtc
explosion).

So, even though the ITN article was published on April 24, in
September, after the 911 crashes,  Mr. Ayling is pretending Global
Hawk technology is a thing of the future.

I looked for the ITN article on the Global Hawk after I read Mr.
Ayling's comments.  The article had been removed from the ITN
website.

Then the New York Times ran this:

. . . In addition, the president [President Bush] said he would give
grants to airlines to allow them to develop stronger cockpit doors
and transponders that cannot be switched off from the cockpit.
Government grants would also be available to pay for video monitors
that would be placed in the cockpit to alert pilots to trouble in the
cabin;  ***  and new technology, probably far in the future, allowing
air traffic controllers to land distressed planes by remote control.'
 ***  (Bush to Increase Federal Role in Security at Airports, New
York Times, Sept. 28, 2001; emphasis added.)

So, then, right after Operation 911 was pulled off, two men of world
influence were pretending such technology had not yet been perfected.
That was dishonest.  And revealing.

Run a Google Advanced Search on the phrase Global Hawk, and you
will find additional information.  Meanwhile, I have attached the
text of the ITN article at the end of this piece.

America And Its Allies Would Never Attack America!

Now, hold it there!  This is US military technology.  We all surely
know that the US and its allies would not conspire to attack America!
Or do we?

The Army's  School of Advanced Military Studies (SAMS ) thinks Israel
is capable of doing exactly that.  On September 10, 2001, The
Washington Times ran a front page story which quoted SAMS officers:

Of the Mossad, the Israeli intelligence service, the SAMS officers
say: 'Wildcard.  Ruthless and cunning.  Has capability to target US
forces and make it look like a Palestinian/Arab act.' (US troops
would enforce peace under Army study, Washington Times, Sept.. 10,
2001, pg. A1, 9.)  Just 24 hours after this story appeared, the
Pentagon was hit and the Arabs were being blamed.

These SAMS officers are obviously interested in protecting their
country, but not all Americans are.  Some are

[CTRL] Fwd: KU KLUX COULTER : Jonah Goldberg Marries John Ashcroft's Senior Policy A...




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KU KLUX COULTER
Jonah Goldberg Marries John Ashcroft's Senior Policy Advisor

10/5/01 10:57:29 AM
Justin Raimondo / Antiwar.com

Commentary -- [LSN Note:  Anyone remember how enthusiastically John
Ashcroft was embraced by
the ADL? Now Jonah Goldberg has married his senior policy advisor.  Just
one of
the many interesting things to note in this column.]

October 5, 2001

KU KLUX COULTER

A spat on the Right reveals a lot

Justin Raimondo -- Antiwar.com -- http://www.antiwar.com

Ann Coulter is a leggy, sassy blonde telebimbo, (and constitutional
lawyer)
whose career as a TV talking head took off during the Clinton scandals 
and,
like Clinton, she never really went away. Her column, distributed by
Universal
Press Syndicate, has been a mainstay of the firebreathing Right, and she
is (or
was) a regular on such venues as Bill Maher's Politically Incorrect and
Fox
News. Ms. Coulter is now embroiled in one of those intramural spats on the
Right that reveal more about the participants than anyone ever intended, a
scrap which underscores the new era of ugliness that now seems to be
dawning in
wartime America.

CONVERSION BY THE SWORD

Coulter's post-9/11 column, This Is War, offered this charming
prescription
for prosecuting the war on terrorism:

We should invade their countries, kill their leaders and convert them to
Christianity. We weren't punctilious about locating and punishing only
Hitler
and his top officers. We carpet-bombed German cities; we killed civilians.
That's war. And this is war.

MILITARY EVANGELISM

Having established that Coulter's regard for human life is on a par with
Osama
bin Laden's, we note that this jeremiad advocating mass murder appeared in
National Review  which regularly carried her column  without any
apparent
trouble. Although a Republican President has gone out of his way to make
the
point that Islam is not the enemy, perhaps NR's editors rather liked the
ironic
implication that Muslims would be forcibly converted to the One True
Faith.
(That, after all, was one of the main methods of proselytizing for Islam
in
an earlier time, especially in the Balkans.) They also weren't too
perturbed at
her effort to portray Arab-Americans as fifth columnists:

People who want our country destroyed live here, work for our airlines,
and
are submitted to the exact same airport shakedown as a lumberman from
Idaho.
This would be like having the Wehrmacht immigrate to America and work for
our
airlines during World War II. Except the Wehrmacht was not so
bloodthirsty.

WATCH THOSE SICILIANS

The policy implications of such a statement ought to be clear enough, and
Coulter spelled out just what she thought ought to be done about it in her
next
column: we not only need to carpet-bomb every Arab country on the map, we
also
need to conduct a war at home, especially on swarthy males, who need to
be
singled out at airports and elsewhere. Ah yes, we always knew to keep an
eye on
those Sicilians. While just as bombastic and off-the-cuff as her last
effort,
this particular piece wasn't all that bad: aside from the domestic
passport
riff and that remark about swarthy males, the bulk of it was devoted to
sneering at the so-called security measures taken at airports in the wake
of
9/11. I particularly liked the reference to airport workers as McDonald's
rejects  and I know for a fact that her description of the laxity still
endemic at airports is all too true. I flew from New York to San Francisco
2
weeks after 9/11, and the security procedures were perfunctory, at best.

GOLDBERG VS. COULTER

It was her relatively moderate second column, however, that got her the
boot
from the sacred precincts of National Review, and started a ruckus on the
Right
which is more than just a cat-fight between two rather self-involved,
self-
indulgent conservative personalities, Coulter and NR Online editor Jonah
Goldberg. The explanation offered by Goldberg is that NR ran her first
column by mistake, and then rejected the second post-9/11 screed, not
because
they disagreed with its content, but on purely literary grounds. Goldberg
avers
that the first jeremiad slipped through the cracks, somehow, without
really
being read  not very believable, is it?  and then goes on to describe a
series of emails between Coulter and the real editor of National Review,
Rich
Lowry:

She wrote back an angry response, defending herself from the charge that
she
hates Muslims and wants to convert them at gunpoint. But this was not the
point. It was NEVER the point. The problem with Ann's first column was its
sloppiness of expression and thought. Ann didn't fail as a person  as all
her
critics on the Left say  she failed as WRITER, which for us is almost as
bad.

WHAT REALLY HAPPENED

Nowhere does Goldberg take issue with what she actually wrote: only her
mode of
expression seems to have offended him. It was Ann who severed her ties
with
National Review, and not vice versa, he tells us, underscoring the non-
ideological

[CTRL] Fwd: Did Israel Assassinate 34 Egyptian Generals In 1999? : And Did Terrorism...




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Did Israel Assassinate 34 Egyptian Generals In 1999?
And Did Terrorism Take Down Egypt Air Flight 990?

10/5/01 10:32:40 AM
Rense.com

New York, NY -- Rense.com

Egypt Air 990 - More Questions And 'Coincidences'
10-1-1


(Statement of Walid Batouty, nephew of Gameel El-Batouty, co-pilot on
flight 990)

On October 31st 1999, Egypt Air Flight 990 bound for Cairo
mysteriously, plunged into the Atlantic Ocean, about 60 miles south
of the island of Nantucket, Massachusetts, killing all 217 people
aboard.

The Boeing 767-300ER exploded at 11,000 feet after 40 minutes of its
take-off from Kennedy International Airport in New York. Controversy
surrounds the crash to this day, but here is an interesting series
of events or 'coincidences', according to crash investigators:

1. There were 34 generals of different ranks from the Egyptian Armed
Forces on board the plane. Among them was a general who has a
Doctorate in atomic sciences, and more than 20 pilots who
successfully completed training in operating Apache helicopters that
had been recently sold to Egypt. Also on board were other generals
who successfully completed training in launching the famous American
Patriot missiles. The training of all those generals lasted 3 years
and cost Egypt $3 billion, which Egypt paid in full.

2. Israel had vehemently denounced the training program of those
generals upon their arrival in the US 3 years before, calling the
training program a threat to Israel's security.

3. Israel started a campaign accusing Egypt of seeking to modernize
its armed forces, and of possessing missiles that threaten the
security of Israel, especially so because the army generals who came
to train in the US would be exposed to the secrets of the joint
American-Israeli missiles and jet fighters technology.

4. Egyptian defense minister, Muhammd Hassan Tantawi, announced the
previous October that war with Israel was not ruled out. He also
announced that Egypt therefore is continuously building its armed
forces to be in a state of readiness.

5. One day before the tragedy, the American authorities provided
hotel accommodation in a 3-star hotel for the airplane crew, which
constitutes a violation of the simplest norms of international
aviation, where the crew is accommodated in the airport hotel or in a
5-star hotel.

6. On the same day, a crew of pilots and flight attendants of
Israel,s airline (El Al) checked in the same hotel with a general
form the Israeli Intelligence (Mossad) who was in charge of the
crew's luggage and personal belongings.

7. Just a few hours prior to the incident, one of the Egypt Air
flight crew complained to the hotel security that someone had sneaked
into his room, because he noticed signs of an attempt to open his
suitcase by breaking the locks. But the hotel security assured him of
no foul play as long as nothing was missing.

8. The day of the incident, Edward McLoughlin, an American Jew, who
is a vice president of an American civil agency was one of the
passengers of Egypt flight form Los Angeles to New York City in route
to Cairo. But when the plane landed in New York City, Mcglauglen
refused to continue his journey to his final destination (Cairo) for
fear of possible planting of a bomb by one of the passengers at
its first stop (New York City).

9. On the day of the incident, the American authorities opted to take
the flight crew's luggage from the hotel through the halls to the
plane itself. Meanwhile the Mossad general opted to take the luggage
of the crew of El Al flight to the Israeli plane himself. But the
luggage of the crews of both Egypt Air and El-Al ended up being taken
from the hotel to the airport in the same car that took the Mossad
general to the Israeli plane.

10. Prior to the Egypt Air flight departure, the American authorities
inspected the plane for 3 hours, which is a very unusually long time
in aviation norms. Also it has been reported that airport security
had not given similar attention to any other plane that day.

11. 40 minutes after the flight's departurecontact with the plane was
lost over the Edward American naval base, which is known to have anti-
aircraft missiles, some of which are ready to be launched
automatically by the mere sensing of an object passing over at a
certain elevation.

12. After the incident,3 eye witnesses testified to the investigators
that they saw the plane on fire as it was falling down. Fox News also
has confirmed in its own investigation of the incident that the pane
had exploded in mid air before its fall according to what was seen on
the radar screens.

13. The American investigation team reported that the plane fell from
33,000 feet to 19,000 feet in 40 seconds, which, according to
aviation experts, is a speed equal to a free fall due to earth
gravity, which makes it evident that the plane has fallen down in
pieces and not as one body. Because the body of the plane is designed
in a way that makes it impossible for the body of the plane to

[CTRL] Teaching Millions More To Hate Us

http://forum.samfrancis.net/Forum5/HTML/001092.html

Jared Taylor wrote this article for The Last Ditch, which is currently down.
___

Teaching more millions to hate us
By Jared Taylor

On September 11, President George W. Bush explained to us on national television that "America was targeted for attack because we're the brightest beacon for freedom and opportunity in the world." Two days later, he spoke of terrorists who "hate our values" and "hate what America stands for." The next day, at the National Cathedral, he said, "They have attacked America, because we are freedom's home and defender." If that were indeed what motivated the men who flew airplanes into the Pentagon and World Trade Center, there would be reason for the huge military operation President Bush now tells us we need in order to "whip terrorism."

But what the president said about the attacks is not just nonsense; it is dangerous nonsense. If our country believes him, and we go to war against Islamic fundamentalism, we will succeed only in adding millions more to the millions who already hate us, and some of them will launch yet more attacks on us, perhaps even worse than the ones we have just suffered.

Does President Bush really imagine Osama bin Laden saying to his men: "Those Americans are just too damn free; they've got too much opportunity. Let's kill as many as we can"? The idea is absurd. Islamic militants have a grudge against us because of our attacks on Afghanistan, Libya, Iraq, and the Sudan. But the main reason they hate us and want to kill us is that we support Israel. Can anyone deny that if we were not Israel's enthusiastic backer those thousands of Americans would still be alive? It is no coincidence that the two nations against which suicide attacks are now launched are the two nations out of 160 that walked out together from the Durban racism conference in defense of Israel. To Muslim fundamentalists we and Israel are one and the same, and we have given them ample reason to think so.

Fundamentalists dislike us for what we "are," but they hate us and kill us for what we "do." They despise our loose sexual standards, and many of them have not forgotten the Crusades, but that does not make them mad enough to kill us. They kill us because we support and finance a country they see as having been illegitimately carved out of the very flesh of their Islamic kinsmen. With so much at stake, it is vital that we not be confused about what motivates the terror we plan to combat.

If there really were something about the essential nature of the United States that made people try to kill us, the president's plans would be justified. Congress would be right to appropriate an emergency $20 billion for a war against Islamic terrorism. Deputy Defense Secretary Paul Wolfowitz would be right to promise, as he did on September 13, a "sustained and broad" campaign on the scale of the Gulf War. The Senate would be right to authorize the president, as it did on September 14, to use "necessary and appropriate force" to retaliate.

But that analysis is wrong, and acting on it will bring calamity. The real question is: Why have we so obviously chosen sides in a bitter, decades-long fight in the Middle East? Is Israel so clearly in the right that we should risk the hatred of half the world in order to support it? With the risks so great, we should understand what we are doing with perfect clarity. If we go to war, it will not be because we are the land of freedom and opportunity, but because we are the best friend and benefactor of Israel. Should we go to war for Israel? Should we spend $20 billion to kill Muslims, and thereby expose our cities to inevitable reprisal for the sake of Israel? There had better be convincing answers to those questions, but no one is even asking them.

Americans are prepared to kill and die for America; they will think twice about killing and dying for Israel. Surely, it is because he dares not say thousands of Americans have just died because of Israel that President Bush invents preposterous motives for the men who killed them.

But even if Americans were prepared to fight for Israel, a war to "whip terrorism" will only "whip up" terrorism. Israel has responded with great force to terror attacks, and the fury this provokes among Palestinians leads only to more terror. What we are planning will have the same effect, except that the terror will be directed at us.

Of course, there is a way Israel could end all Palestinian terror attacks. It need only act on the principle President Bush announced on September 11: to make "no distinction between the terrorists who committed these acts and those who harbor them." By that terrible logic, Israel should exterminate every Palestinian -- it has the means to do that. By that logic we should exterminate every Iraqi, Afghani, Yemeni, and Iranian -- we have the means to do that, too. Of course, we would then have to exterminate "all" Muslims,

[CTRL] Israel: Expensive Friends

http://www.pakistannation.net/Arti_Pub/MarApr01/CostofIs.htm

Expensive Friends

How many times have we heard the story that a child was unable to receive critical care due to lack of insurance, or if there was more funding available to cancer research we would have progressed in leaps and bounds in achieving a cure.

What amazes me is our government – democrat's or republican's, lack of commitment for the just needs and over commitment for military aid to propagate war and unrest in foreign regions. Ever wonder what truly is being bought for $120 toilet seat?

Most Americans are not aware how much of their tax revenue our government sends to Israel. For the fiscal year ending in September 30, 1997, the U.S. has given Israel $6.72 billion: $6.194 billion falls under Israel's foreign aid allotment and $526 million comes from agencies such as the Department of Commerce, the U.S. Information Agency and the Pentagon. The $6.72 billion figure does not include loan guarantees and annual compound interest totaling $3.122 billion the U.S. pays on money borrowed to give to Israel. It does not include the cost to U.S. taxpayers of IRS tax exemptions that donors can claim when they donate money to Israeli charities. (Donors claim approximately $1 billion in Federal tax deductions annually. This ultimately costs other U.S. taxpayers $280 million to $390 million.).

When grant, loans, interest and tax deductions are added together for the fiscal year ending in September 30, 1997, our special relationship with Israel cost U.S. taxpayers over $10 billion.

Since 1949 the U.S. has given Israel a total of $94.5 billion. The interest costs borne by U.S. taxpayers on behalf of Israel are well over $50 billion, thus making the total amount of aid given to Israel since 1949 in excess of $144.5 billion. This may mean that U.S. government has given more federal aid to the average Israeli citizen in a given year than it has given to the average American citizen.

It angers me that my government is giving over $10 billion to a country that is more prosperous than most of the other countries in the world and uses much of its money for strengthening its military and the oppression and massacre of civilians.

In addition to its direct foreign aid, Israel normally receives more than a billion dollars in assistance from other portions of the federal budget. The total of extras for fiscal year 2000 will not be clear until later in the fiscal year, but preliminary indications are that Israel will receive some major extras from the Pentagon budget for joint U.S.-Israeli development of various weapons systems.

Israel also receives all of its annual foreign aid during the first month of each fiscal year, unlike other recipients who receive their aid in quarterly payments. The Israeli government therefore is able to invest its foreign aid in U.S. Treasury notes, thus realizing upwards of $50 million annually in interest. Even before the extras from the Pentagon and other federal budgets are included, the fiscal year 2000 appropriation will bring the total of U.S. government grants and loans to Israel from 1949 through Oct. 31, 1999 to approximately $91,816,507,200 - this is more than the total of U.S. aid to all of the countries of sub-Saharan Africa and Latin America and the Caribbean combined. Yet these countries had a combined total population of 1.142 billion people in mid-1999, while Israel claimed a total 1999 population of 6.1 million. This means that Israel, with a population smaller than that of Hong Kong, receives about one-third of U.S. bilateral foreign aid worldwide.

During the more than half a century that has elapsed since the creation of Israel on May 15, 1948, the U.S. has lost tens of thousands of jobs and billions of dollars as a result of the Arab economic boycott, and more as a result of the 1973 Arab political oil boycott that touched off a recession in the U.S. and the industrialized countries. There also are incalculable costs associated with the vastly increased security outlays for U.S. government installations at home and abroad necessitated as a result of U.S. support for Israel in its long-standing disputes with its Arab neighbors.

Ironically, unconditional U.S. government financial support for Israel, regardless of its performance in the peace process, is a major factor in steadily increasing Israeli intransigence in spurning land-for-peace settlements. Just as such self-defeating U.S. actions are caused by the increasing strength of the Israel lobby and its media supporters in the U.S., the result has been increasing difficulty for any Israeli government, whatever its preferences, in carrying out territorial withdrawals in the face of domestic opposition.

But as Israel becomes increasingly dependent upon American official and private subsidies, the U.S. likewise becomes increasingly vulnerable to unified economic retaliation from the foreign nations organizing to support an end

[CTRL] Downing St.- Evidence Would NOT Convict In Court Of Law

http://news.independent.co.uk/uk/politics/story.jsp?story=97872

Specific evidence was 'too sensitive' to be released

War on terrorism: Dossier

By Andrew Grice
Political Editor

05 October 2001

Downing Street admitted yesterday that its dossier of evidence linking Osama bin Laden to the terrorist attacks in America was "not complete" and would not convict him in a court of law.

But government officials insisted there was a "smoking gun" proving his guilt which could not be included in the 21-page dossier published yesterday because it would reveal the methods or sources used by the security services. "There is evidence of a very specific nature relating to the guilt of bin Laden and his associates that is too sensitive to release," the document said.

The crucial undisclosed piece of evidence has been shown by the Prime Minister to Charles Kennedy, leader of the Liberal Democrats, and Iain Duncan Smith, the Tory leader, who was said to be "100 per cent convinced by it". The Prime Minister may also outline the evidence to other world leaders as he seeks to maintain the international coalition against terrorism.

The dossier published yesterday was based on material collected by American agencies, including the CIA and FBI, as well as the British intelligence services.

The US agencies cleared the use of their information before publication and the document was discussed closely with the Bush administration before it was issued.

The US is still considering whether to publish a similar report and further evidence may be made public by the British Government.

Jack Straw, the Foreign Secretary, predicted the dossier would help to convince people with questions in their mind about the culpability not only of Mr bin Laden but also the whole of his al-Qa'ida organisation. He said "an enormous amount" of the evidence was based on intelligence. "You can't publish raw intelligence without very seriously putting at risk the human sources from which it comes or the overall security arrangements and intelligence arrangements we have in place," he said.

The dossier relies heavily on circumstantial evidence about the previous atrocities carried out by Mr bin Laden and al-Qa'ida and the similarities between these acts and the atrocities on 11 September – meticulous long-term planning, a desire to inflict mass casualties, suicide bombers and multiple simultaneous attacks without warnings being issued.

But Tony Blair's official spokesman insisted the report included important evidence, citing the claim that the detailed planning for the attacks was carried out by one of Mr bin Laden's close associates. There was also evidence that he indicated shortly before 11 September that he was about to launch a major attack on America and that his close associates were told to return to Afghanistan from other parts of the world by 10 September.

The dossier said at least three of the 19 hijackers involved in hijacking the four planes on 11 September have been positively identified as associates of al-Qa'ida.
But Number 10 refused to name them.

Asked if the evidence was mainly circumstantial, a Downing Street spokesman replied: "It would have been perfectly possible to have released absolutely nothing and for us to have made the case as we have done against bin Laden and al-Qa'ida. This is an exceptional situation, therefore it is exceptional that we are publishing this document.

"We are being as open as we can while taking every measure we can to protect intelligence sources and gathering."

[CTRL] Propaganda For The Masses: Reflections On Hitler's Use Of Emotions...

http://educate-yourself.org/cnpropagandaforthemasses4oct01.html

Propaganda for the Masses:
Reflections on Hitler's use of Emotions
in Order to Manipulate Reason and Public Opinion.
Part One.

By Rick Smith
Oct. 4, 2001
http://educate-yourself.org/cnpropagandaforthemasses4oct01.html

While the world is still in the grips of an emotional frenzy in the wake of
the terrorist attacks on New York and Washington, it is worth considering some of Adolf Hitler's observations on how such emotions are used to manipulate people. Emotional responses have been the source of untold suffering and bloodshed throughout the course of human history. As natural as emotions are, they are easily manipulated by external forces and can be used to control reason and action. Communications and propaganda experts have been aware of this fact for a very long time. Hitler understood this only too well. That Hitler was a monster can hardly be questioned; the fact that he possessed a kind of mad genius and a keen understanding of how the masses think (or, rather, do not think) is equally unquestionable.

Hitler referred to emotion as a kind of doorway or "gateway" into the more
suggestible regions of the human heart and mind; once this door has been opened it is possible to "get inside" of people's heads and direct their responses and actions. In the wake of the economic collapse in Germany and the humiliations heaped upon the German people after World War I, Hitler was able to use the emotions that emerged from these events to manipulate public opinion and, ultimately, to lead his people into a terrible and destructive war. Where emotion was lacking, such as in the case of the Jewish question, events were staged or phony stories planted in order to fire people's emotions in the direction that the government wanted to go. That a tyrant like Hitler was aware of and effectively used such knowledge should put all of us on guard. No intelligent person should allow himself or herself to be goaded into blindly supporting the actions of government merely because their emotions tell them so. What is right can only be determined in a state of emotional calm.

Once your emotions are turned off, you can turn to the task of analyzing the causes,
effects, and solutions to the problems that face you. There is nothing inherently wrong with emotion, it is a necessary part of the human psyche; it is that which has allowed us to develop a sense of empathy for our fellow human beings. There is, for instance, nothing wrong with feeling emotion for the innocent victims of the World Trade Center attack, but one must also grant the same emotional sympathy to the sufferings of the innocent people that have been killed worldwide by the decisions and actions of the global super powers. Only fools allow themselves to guided by their emotions; to do so is to allow yourself to become a mindless puppet of those who still practice Hitler's advanced techniques of manipulation. With the advent of television and mass communication devices, modern propaganda has become much more subtle, effective, and powerful. I am thus providing below a few snippets of Hitler's observations on the power of propaganda and of the crucial role that emotion plays in any effective propaganda campaign. By educating oneself in the techniques of propaganda, the reader stands a better chance of operating as a free and independent agent (rather than just as a part of a gigantic mindless mass).

In the end, the reader should remember that propaganda is used as
much today as it ever was, and perhaps even more; if we allow ourselves to be manipulated by the spinmasters we could be led to the same unspeakable end that the German people faced. Let us sincerely try to avoid subjecting ourselves to lessons that, in a better world, should have been learned years ago. I would also like to warn my readers to be wary of the those who would stage and fabricate events designed to create emotional responses, as Hitler once did, in order to facilitate what would otherwise be unpopular agendas. To think that such ideas are mere "conspiracy theory" is to make a conscious decision to ignore history. Powerful people manipulate the masses quite consciously and quite deliberately, they always have, and probably always will (unless the masses wise up). A brief perusal of the writings of such people as Walter Lippmann, George Creel, Edward Bernays, and other influential government advisers should make this painfully clear; western academics and politicians have learned from the mass mind manipulation techniques employed by the Nazis, and incorporated them into newer, subtler, and better techniques. Propaganda for the Masses is the first part in what I hope to be an ongoing effort designed to lift the proverbial veil of global deception. Consider the excerpts provided below and then ask your self how these might apply to the modern world:

Excerpts from Adolf Hitler's Mein Kampf:

"All great

[CTRL] Police State Europe

http://www.spectator.co.uk/article.php3?table=oldsection=currentissue=2001-10-06id=1157

Police state

Ambrose Evans-Pritchard reveals that the EU is using the war on terrorism to threaten our freedom

Let us be thankful, briefly, that the current director of Europol is a stout defender of civil liberties and furthermore a German, among the most reliable defenders of open democracy in the European Union these days. Dr Jurgen Storbeck was already sitting on top of an embryonic FBI before the destruction of the World Trade Center: now he is to bestride an embryonic CIA as well. The two are to be housed together under one roof at Europol’s headquarters in The Hague. He will soon be one of the few men outside Pyongyang, Baghdad and a handful of other despotisms heading an agency with double access to law enforcement and intelligence secrets — something that every first-term student of political science is taught should never happen in a democracy.

Before the terrorist attacks, Europol was not allowed to have direct dealings with MI5, MI6, the Bundesnachtrichtendienst, or any other intelligence services of the EU member states. It had to rely on contacts with police, customs and immigration services. But in a single throwaway line at their emergency summit in Brussels, EU leaders ordered all EU spy agencies to hand over ‘any relevant information on terrorism’ to Europol. They also approved the creation of an anti-terrorism unit staffed by intelligence officials to be based at the agency’s headquarters. The seed is planted.

Of course, MI5 and MI6 already share secrets on a selective basis with the Dutch, or whoever, but this is a radically different exercise. The information will now go to the EU machinery and will be stored in the computer banks at Europol, where one can only hope that secrets will be safe. The Dutch police arrested a French police captain earlier this summer for operating a scam out of the same computer offices, and another official is still under investigation. If that were not enough, a Munich computer company has accused Europol operatives of stealing its software and pocketing the commissions.

When I asked David Blunkett about intelligence sharing with the sort of people who might be tempted to sell secrets to al-Qa’eda for the right price — not a ludicrous concern, since an EU official was caught three years ago selling confidential data from the Schengen Information System to organised crime — he said sternly that Europol jolly well ought to clean up the problem. By way of reassurance he added that no raw data from GCHQ would be given to ne’er-do-wells. Only those with a top security clearance, and on a strict need-to-know basis, would get a look at our crown jewels.

With a staff of 300, Europol is still a puny creature compared with the $30 billion apparatus of US federal intelligence, but the taboo has been broken. For the first time, the EU has acquired an intelligence function. I expect that it will now mimic the exponential growth of Europol’s police role, which has mushroomed from a tiny clearing house for data on drug trafficking five years ago, to a proto-FBI today with powers to ‘request’ — i.e. launch — criminal probes, and to take part in joint operations with national police. Its jurisdiction was quietly expanded last year to cover ‘all crimes involving money-laundering’. This is the open-door clause. It can be made to mean any crime where money changes hands. I predict that it will soon become the EU equivalent of the federal wire fraud clause in the United States, which gives the FBI primary jurisdiction whenever the US federal mail is used at any stage of a crime. So if the criminal sends a single letter, the Feds can muscle in.

Neither part of this twin-headed Europol is subject to the oversight of an elected parliament. In Washington, the directors of the FBI and CIA are ritually toasted in cross-examination by the senate and house committees. But in the EU’s half-way system between intergovernmentalism and federalism — a paradise for unaccountable elites — Dr Storbeck answers only to a management board, in secret. These are essentially the same people who appoint him, so their is no democratic control on the executive. The European Parliament complains bitterly that it cannot even get a look at Europol’s books.

The hectic pace kept up last week. Mr Blunkett was at it again, this time approving the establishment of Eurojust, an EU body of national prosecutors with the job of co-ordinating probes into organised crime, environmental crimes, xenophobia, and above all terrorism. The legal basis for proceeding this far is a little dodgy, since it derives from Article 31 of the Nice Treaty, which the Irish have refused to ratify, and may never ratify. So EU lawyers are stretching the Amsterdam Treaty to do the job instead. A future justice ministry, a replica of the US Justice Department, will acquire power over time to prosecute cases in EU federal

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The Roots of Muslim Rage
http://www.theatlantic.com/issues/90sep/rage.htm

India blames Pakistan for attack
http://www.msnbc.com/news/636262.asp?cp1=1

PGP creator defends right to encrypt emails
http://www.wsws.org/articles/2001/oct2001/pgp-o01.shtml

us terrorist attacks: that irresistible urge to
control
http://www.disinfo.com/pages/article/id1629/pg1/

us terrorist attacks: run, humans, run
http://www.disinfo.com/pages/article/id1628/pg1/

The banks, the government and the drug trade
http://www.workers.org/ww/banks.html

US banks let foreign institutions launder drug money:
report
http://www.channelnewsasia.com/articles/2001/02/06/business51132.htm

Internet privacy threatened following terrorist
attacks on US
http://www.wsws.org/articles/2001/sep2001/isp-s24.shtml

Prescription For Scandal: Biological Psychiatry's
Faustian Pact
http://www.canadiandimension.mb.ca/v35/v35_5ab.htm


Did Israel Assassinate 34 Egyptian Generals In 1999?
http://www.overthrow.com/lsn/news.asp?fileName=lsn20011005103117.html

Statement for the Record Louis J. Freeh, Director
Federal Bureau of Investigation on the Threat of
Terrorism to the United
States
http://www.fbi.gov/congress/congress01/freeh051001.htm

News One
http://newsone.net/

AN OPEN LETTER TO THE ISRAELI ARMY: CEASE AND DESIST
DISRUPTION OF PUBLIC ORDER
http://www.amin.org/En/eyejrs/0110/free2_031001.html

Kashmir chief calls for war
http://news.bbc.co.uk/low/english/world/south_asia/newsid_1576000/1576294.stm

Are You A Terrorist? Read the FBI's Definition!
http://indymedia.org/front.php3?article_id=69534group=webcast

The International PGP Home Page
http://www.pgpi.org/

Propaganda for the Masses: Reflections on Hitler's use
of Emotions in Order to Manipulate Reason and Public
Opinion
http://educate-yourself.org/cnpropagandaforthemasses4oct01.html

Media Spin Revolves Around the Word Terrorist
http://www.commondreams.org/views01/1005-02.htm

Ali Khalid Abdullah on September 11th
http://www.infoshop.org/inews/stories.php?story=01/10/04/7417640

US drops two groups from list of designated terrorist
organizations
http://sg.news.yahoo.com/011005/1/1jxx2.html

Taliban Say Ready to Try Bin Laden on Proof
http://dailynews.yahoo.com/h/nm/20011005/ts/attack_afghan_taliban_dc.html

U.S. Rebukes Sharon, Hebron Gunbattle Kills Five
http://dailynews.yahoo.com/h/nm/20011005/ts/mideast_dc.html

White House fury over Sharon jibe
http://news.bbc.co.uk/hi/english/world/middle_east/newsid_1581000/1581588.stm

WTC analysis
http://www.cyberspaceorbit.com/towerblast.html

Boeing signs huge China deal
http://news.bbc.co.uk/hi/english/business/newsid_1574000/1574486.stm

U.S. took $658 million from Pakistan in exchange for
60 F-16 fighter jets - but they never got the Jets
http://worldcrossing.com/WebX?[EMAIL PROTECTED]^0@.eee5131

A GRIN IN THE WAKE OF THE WTC
http://www.nypost.com/postopinion/opedcolumnists/5702.htm

There is Nothing Anti-American About Opposing the
Drive to War
http://www.commondreams.org/views01/1004-08.htm

AFGHANISTAN AND CHECHNYA: HUNTING FRO WOLVES OR
DANCING WITH THE WOLVES?
http://wps.wm.ru:8101/chitalka/politruk/en/20011003.shtml

New currency for a new world
http://www.portal.telegraph.co.uk/news/main.jhtml;$sessionid$KTEAFZAAABJMBQFIQMFSFFOAVCBQ0IV0?xml=/news/2001/10/03/nlab03.xmlsSheet=/news/2001/10/03/ixhome.html

the failure of symbolic thought
http://deoxy.org/failure.htm

Psychologists, the New Priesthood
http://deoxy.org/psyhood.htm

Creativity and What Blocks It
http://deoxy.org/creative.htm

Why Capitalists Want To Sell You Deodorant
http://deoxy.org/dodorant.htm

Land-Mine Legislation
http://deoxy.org/landmine.htm

Seizing The Media
http://deoxy.org/seize_it.htm

If an Agent Knocks
http://www.cs.oberlin.edu/students/pjaques/etext/ifanagentknocks.html

Proverbial Manipulation in Adolf Hitler's Mein Kampf
http://info.utas.edu.au/docs/flonta/DP,1,1,95/HITLER.html

US Domestic Covert Operations
http://mediafilter.org/MFF/USDCO.idx.html

The Secret Service Wall of Shame
http://www.2600.com/secret/

Covert operations
http://www.webcom.com/%7epinknoiz/covert/covert.html

Taking Over The Homeland
http://www.eionews.addr.com/psyops/homeland.htm

THE JPM DERIVATIVES MONSTER
http://www.eionews.addr.com/psyops/news/jpm_derivatives_monster.htm

World War III by Michael C. Ruppert
http://www.copvcia.com/stories/sept_2001/ww3.html

FEMA - The Secret Government
http://www.sonic.net/sentinel/gvcon6.html

witnesses recall SECOND bomb blast in wtc
building...here is video
http://abcnews.go.com/sections/us/MP/DailyNews/010911walker_video_mp/video_window_low.html

REASON IS THE ENEMY OF TERROR
http://www.eionews.addr.com/psyops/reasonversusterror.htm

U.S. Army 'Psyops' Specialists worked for CNN
http://www.emperors-clothes.com/articles/devries/psyops.htm

The Election Story Never Told
http://www.mediachannel.org/views/whistleblower/palast.shtml

Hot leads, stolen identities
http://www.economist.com/agenda/displayStory.cfm?Story_ID=795761

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[CTRL] 10/8/01 Attack In London?

http://www.davidicke.com/icke/index1c.html

REPORT OF POSSIBLE TERRORIST ATTACK ON LONDON THIS MONDAY?
A WOMAN'S EXPERIENCE POSTED FOR YOUR INFORMATION

Hi David and all your support staff.

I have just been told something of extreme significance, although it may be a hoax you can not be too careful, I thought I should inform you so that you can do whatever you deem appropriate.

The sister of a colleague of mine works who works in London was walking down the street when she was bumped into and her bag was knocked onto the floor spilling the entire contents of her bag out onto the pavement. She began to pick up the contents of the bag when a gentleman of Arab descent started to help her, he gave her back her purse for which she was very grateful so she offered to buy him a coffee as a thank you, he declined but said thank you, and just before they walked away from each other he looked at her and said “do yourself a favour and make sure you are not in London on the 8th of October’

This was all he said, he could have meant anything, so take this as you will. However I am trying to tell everyone I know who works in London just in case. As David said it is very likely that the Illuminati will strike again in order to enforce the problem reaction solution scenario. I just hope the guy was a hoaxer.

May the truth be with you

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On another footnote.. we know all about the hoax emails going around and the reports on Snopes. We figure its better to be safe than sorry in the event something were to happen on that day.

IF anyone intentionally sends a hoax terrorist report to a news site, even ours, they would be very, very stupid. Carnivore and Echelon are working 24 hours a day and most authorities will not take kindly having to investigate hoax emails. NOTICE: they are recording EVERY email transmission with the originating IP address at Fairfax, Virginia and other FBI, DOD, and CIA internet installations, along with the assistance of most ISP providers. This would include the similar authorities in England, Canada, Australia, France, ETC... These hoaxes can be defined as 'terrorist threats'.

There is NO internet privacy with the current 'panic' mode atmosphere in world. From the information presented on this site and other technical sources, the emails are monitored from the ISP originating source -- not the destination.

If the above email was a hoax, all supposedly in fun, the fun ends when MI5 agents appear on your doorstep wanting to question your sister.
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Earlier today I read the article on your site "October 8", where a woman was alleged to have dropped her purse all over the sidewalk in London. The article claimed that a Middle Eastern Gentleman helped her get things back in order, and in gratitude she offered to buy the fellow a coffee.

The note went on to say that the man suggested that she do herself a favor and not be in London October 8, 2001.

Terrorism? Well, somebody got the WTC on 9-11...a "symbolic" date. And the talk about a 3.2 billion dollar buy-out and complete re-insuring of the towers 7 weeks before the catastrophe looks like big time insurance fraud... But who am I to say? Speculation is all I can do.

What about possible symbolism for October 8, 2001.

October is the 8th month in the old Roman Calendar. (Rome)

The Octagon is an 8 sided geometric pattern.

Octane denotes "powerful fuel"-

America and Britain are ready to wage war in Afghanistan, but no atrocity has been committed in Britain to justify to the British people the need for their involvement in war. Could this be a symbolically significant day?

The "Queen"...whoever or whatever she is, wears an 8 pointed badge, which also displays a "templar" type windsor cross - red cross. (There is much more to this than I have studied, or have time to study - sorry)

David Icke Analyzes it well in "The Biggest Secret". 2 squares overlaid on each other. "We Rule You", is the alleged message.

I have been reading "Rulers of Evil" by F. Tupper Saussy. He writes about the Roman origins and control of the world, and the U.S. government right up to this day.

Saussy claims that the 8 pointed "asterisk" type symbol is the mark of "Annu" He alleges that this symbol represents the AUTHORITY of Cain...as in "Cain and Abel" of the bible to rule. He also claims that "Jesus" was crucified on a cross, denoting that symbol. (Annu - the Babylonian Sky-God -- the Roman Jupiter)

Annunuki? Annuit Coeptis? - (Great Seal of the U.S.) Anakin Skywalker? (for the "star wars" brainwashed) (Was that Darth Vader in that heavily twisted sequence of films? - It was not JUST entertainment folks...worse)

It is interesting that the logo of

[CTRL] 9/10 Taliban Arrest 35 Afghans Working for Another Aid Group


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Documenting the Persecution of Christians in the Islamic World

Taliban Arrest 35 Afghans Working for Another Aid Group

By Barbara Baker


AFGHANISTAN: September 10 (Compass) -- Taliban authorities arrested 35
more Afghan aid workers over the weekend, bringing the total to more than
50 Afghans jailed by the strict Islamist regime since early August on
suspicion of aiding covert Christian missionary work.

According to international aid workers who asked not to be identified, at
least 35 Afghans employed by the recently banned International Assistance
Mission (IAM) were taken into custody at the Planning Ministry office in
Kabul when they came to get their salary payment.

Quoted yesterday by Associated Press (AP), the sources said a state- run
radio broadcast had ordered Afghan staffers of IAM to come and collect
their pay at the Planning Ministry, which coordinates all foreign aid
organizations.

When the Afghans showed up, they were arrested, AP reported.

In a separate report from the Associated Press of Pakistan (APP), an
expatriate aid worker said she knew of some 15 to 17 Afghan employees of
IAM who had been arrested by the Taliban's religious police since the
Christian relief group was shut down on August 31.

I do not know the reason for their arrest, the aid worker told APP, but
they were taken into custody during the first week of September and have
not been seen since then.

The Taliban have not yet confirmed or commented on the reported detentions.

A private volunteer agency that had 117 professionals from 17 countries
working in five cities of Afghanistan, IAM had employed some 300 Afghans in
its projects of health, economic development, education and rehabilitation.
Its entire foreign staff was expelled from the country 10 days ago.

The Taliban have accused IAM and another Christian agency, SERVE, of links
with the Shelter Now relief organization, shut down in early August for
allegedly trying to convert Muslim Afghans to Christianity.   The regime's
religious police arrested eight foreigners and 16 Afghans working for
Shelter Now.

Speaking from Kabul today, a spokesman for the International Committee of
the Red Cross (ICRC) told Compass that their office had no precise
information at this moment about the alleged arrest of 35 Afghan IAM
staff.

Following established procedure, the Red Cross had last month informed the
Taliban of their readiness, upon the regime's invitation, to visit
Shelter Now's 16 Afghan detainees. A similar offer had been extended on
behalf of the Christian relief group's foreign detainees, eventually
visited by the ICRC on August 25.

But so far, we haven't been called for the Afghans, the representative
said.

A senior Taliban official told Associated Press last week that some of the
16 Afghans working for Shelter Now would be either sentenced to life in
jail or death by hanging. Those most endangered, local sources said, were
the Afghans involved in teaching the local languages to the foreigners.

According to the Taliban's deputy minister of religious police, any Afghan
convicted of converting to Christianity would be given three days to recant
and return to Islam. But even if spared the death penalty for repenting,
the official said, the defendant would still face other punishments for
betraying their religion and traditions.

Taliban Minister for Vice and Virtue Mohammed Wali declared that the
Afghans must be charged because they must have known what these foreigners
were doing, and they did not report them.

Although the Taliban claim to have strong evidence that Shelter Now's
foreign staff were preaching Christianity, they have not presented proof
that any Afghans had actually converted.

Taliban officials continue to sidestep the death penalty possibility which
hangs over both the foreigners and their Afghan workers, stating that once
a verdict is reached, the punishment will be decided according to the
principles of Islamic law.

If the crime is worthy of imprisonment, they will be imprisoned, Chief
Justice Noor Mohammed Saqib of the Taliban Supreme Court told Afghan Islam
Press (AIP) last week. If the crime is worthy of hanging, they will be
hanged.

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[CTRL] Origin of the Myth of a Tolerant Pluralistic Islamic Society


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The Lord Byron Foundation For Balkan Studies The International Strategic
Studies Association

Symposium On The Balkan War (Armada Congress Hotel - Chicago, Illinois)

Yugoslavia: Past And Present Dinner Address delivered on 31 August 1995 by

BAT  YE'OR * Myths And Politics The Tolerant Pluralistic Islamic Society:
Origin Of A Myth


Ladies and gentlemen:

My subject this evening is Myths and Politics: Origin of the Myth of a
Tolerant Pluralistic Islamic Society.

Ten years ago when I came to America for the launching of my book The
Dhimmi: Jews and Christians under Islam, I was struck by the inscription on
the Archives Building in Washington: Past is Prologue. I had thought - at
least at the beginning of my research - that my subject related to a remote
past, but I realized that contemporary events were rapidly modernizing this
past. Muslim countries, where Islamic law - the shari'a - had been replaced
by modern juridiction imposed by the European colonizing powers, were
abandoning the secularizing trend, replacing it with Islamization in
numerous sectors of life. This impression of the return of the past became
even more acute when I was working on my next book, published in 1991,
whose
English edition will appear in early 1996 under the title: The Decline of
Eastern Christianity under Islam - 7th to 20th century: from Jihad to
Dhimmitude (Associated University Presses).

-  * Author of Le Dhimmi, Profil de l'Opprimi en Orient et en Afrique
du Nord depuis la conqujte arabe (Paris, Anthropos, 1980). Enlarged English
edition, The Dhimmi: Jews  Christians under Islam, preface by Jacques
Ellul (Fairleigh Dickinson University Press/Associated University Presses,
Cranbury, N.J./London/ Toronto, 1985); Les Chritientis d'Orient entre Jihad
et Dhimmitude: VIIe-XXe sihcle, priface de Jacques Ellul (Paris, Le Cerf,
1991) English edition, The Decline of Eastern Christianity under Islam.
From Jihad to Dhimmitude, AUP, 1996; Juifs et Chritiens sous l'Islam: les
dhimmis face au difi intigriste (Paris, Berg international, 1994)

In this study, I tried to analyze the numerous processes that had
transformed rich, powerful Christian civilizations into Islamic lands, and
their long-term effects, which had reduced native Christian majorities into
scattered small religious minorities, on the way to total disappearence.
This complex Islamization process affecting Christian lands and
civilizations on both shores of the Mediterranean - and in Irak and
Armenia - I have called: the process of dhimmitude; and the civilization
of those peoples who underwent such transformation, I have named the
civilization of dhimmitude. The indigenous native peoples were Jews and
Christians (Orthodox, Catholics, or from other Eastern Christian Churches).
They are all referred to by Muslim jurists as the Peoples of the Book -
the Book being the Bible - and they were subjected to the same condition
according to Islamic law. They are called by the Arabic term, dhimmis:
protected peoples, because Islamic law protects their life and goods on
condition that they submit to Islamic rule. But it is this very Islamic law
that generates the processes of dhimmitude and of self-destruction.

I will not go into details here for this is a very long and complex
subject, but in order to understand the Serbian situation one should know
that the Serbs were treated during half a millenium just like the other
Christian and Jewish dhimmis. They participated in this civilization of
dhimmitude. It is important to understand that the civilization of
dhimmitude grows from two major and interconnected religious institutions:
jihad and shari'a, which establish a particular ideological system that
makes it mandatory - during the jihad operation - to use terror, mass
killings, deportation and slavery.

And the Serbs - because I am speaking of them tonight - did not escape from
this fate, which was the same for all those peoples around the
Mediterranean basin, vanquished by jihad. For centuries, the Serbs fought
to liberate their land from the laws of jihad, and dhimmitude, which had
legalized their condition of oppression on their own lands.

So while I was analyzing and writing about the processes of dhimmitude and
the civilization of dhimmitude - while listening to the radio, watching
television, reading the newspapers - I had the uncomfortable feeling that
the clock was being turned back. Modern politicians, sophisticated
writers - using phones, planes, computers and all the modern techniques -
seemed to be returning several centuries back, with wigs or stiff collars,
using exactly the same corrupting arguments, the same tortuous short-term
politics that had previously contributed to the gradual Islamization of
numerous non-Muslim peoples. I had to shake myself in an effort to
distinguish the past from the present.

So, is the past always prologue? Are we doomed to remain perpetually
prisoners of the

[CTRL] U.S. Law Says Membership in Terrorist Group,Or Advocacy of Terror, No Bar to Immigration


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U.S. Law Says Membership in Terrorist Group,Or Advocacy of Terror, No Bar
to Immigration

BY JAMES BARONET
THE WEEK OF OCTOBER 8, 2001


A 1990 U.S. immigration law, http://www4.law.cornell.edu/uscode/8/1182.html
,sponsored by Sen. Ted Kennedy (D.-Mass.), instructs State Department
employees that mere membership in a terrorist organization or advocacy of
acts of terrorism should not exclude foreigners from receiving U.S.
immigration visas.

Under the law , http://www4.law.cornell.edu/uscode/8/1182.html ,as it is
written, someone who belongs to a Middle Eastern terrorist group and has
publicly stated a desire that the World Trade Center towers be blown up
cannot, on those grounds alone, be denied permission to legally enter the
United States as a prospective citizen.

In such a case, the ultimate decision of whether to grant an immigration
visa is up to a State Department official s subjective evaluation of a
person s knowledge and intent.

According to the official foreign affairs manual,
http://www.foia.state.gov/masterdocs/09fam/0940032N.pdf , posted on the
State Department website, the immigration law requires that a foreigner
must
be denied a visa if he or she has indicated intention to cause death or
serious bodily harm, and/or incited terrorist activity.

The department defines incitement as the making of utterances, written
or
oral, which are intended to arouse, urge, provoke, stir up, instigate,
persuade, or move another person to commit an act of terrorism.

But merely advocating terrorism, or belonging to a group that engages in
terrorism, cannot be used as grounds for exclusion. Only statements that
directly further or abet the commission of a terrorist act may properly
constitute a basis for denying a visa, says the manual.

A spokesmen for the State Department confirmed that if an individual
generally advocates terrorism, but does not intend to further a terrorist
attack, that individual is not automatically ineligible for a visa. Also,
the spokesman confirmed, membership in a terrorist organization is not
grounds for exclusion unless the individual in question knew or should
have
known that the group he belonged to was involved in terrorist activities.

It has to do with intent, says the spokesman. If you look at the
regulation, it says, incitement is the making of utterances written or
oral, which are intended to move another person to commit another act of
terrorism. If I am a student in France, and I hate the United States and
I'm sitting in my dorm room with five other people with me, and I say, 'We
ought to blow up the U.S. embassy in Paris.' Is that actually intended? Do
you think somebody would do it?

The regulations actually contain these words: [S]tatements approving a
specific terrorist act, and asserting that such acts should be repeated, do
not render an applicant ineligible.

Old Exclusions

Most of the visa section of the foreign affairs manual is based on the
Immigration and Naturalization Act of 1990, which lowered the national
security standards for granting immigration visas.

Prior to that, under the 1952 immigration act, aliens could be excluded if
there was reason to believe they would engage in activities against the
public interest or the security of the United States. Aliens also could be
excluded for advocating anarchism, the assault or murder of U.S. government
officials, the unlawful damage of property, or for publishing or possessing
material advocating such activities.

The term mere membership in a terrorist organization was not defined by
Congress in the 1990 act, so the State Department had to devise its own
policy. The manuals that include the State Department instructions are sent
to every U.S. embassy and consulate in the world to assist consular
officers in admitting aliens into the country. Certain consular offices in
unfriendly states have special instructions on processing visas for foreign
nationals.

But every alien must go through a name check, and nationals from unfriendly
regimes go through a more intensive check.

In 1990, a blind Egyptian sheik named Omar Abdel-Rahman, who was later
convicted as a conspirator in the 1993 World Trade Center bombings, was
admitted to the United States with a visa issued by the embassy in the
Sudan, even though his name appeared on the State Department s list of
undesirables. This watch list consists of 5.5 million people who may be
inadmissible to the United States for various reasons, including criminal
histories and terrorist links as wells as lack of funds or infectious
diseases.

Senators Ted Kennedy (D.-Mass.) and Daniel Patrick Moynihan (D.-N.Y.)
pushed the new legislation through the Senate during the 1990 Persian Gulf
crisis.

The legislation was also promoted by some Irish-American groups.

On October 26 of that year, Kennedy explained on the Senate floor: The
exclusion categories are reformed and updated to end outdated

[CTRL] Terror Hackers get hammered

2001-10-05 Thread Paul Reilly


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Hackers branded as terrorists
http://c.moreover.com/click/here.pl?e25153969e=14288
BBC
 The new Anti-Terrorism Act adds computer hacking to
 the list of federal terrorism offences. Those found
 guilty could now face up to life in prison. Is that
 the right response to the recent terrorist attacks?

: )

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[CTRL] StarsSripres: Marine Corps creates new brigade to fight terrorism at home, abroad


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Friday, October 5, 2001

Marine Corps creates new brigade to fight terrorism at home, abroad

By Sandra Jontz
Stars and Stripes
Washington bureau


WASHINGTON - The U.S.  Marine Corps created a new brigade Thursday to
fight terrorism at home and abroad, and will give it the tools to fight.

Vigilance with an attitude, and with the Marine muscle to back it up,
is how Brig. Gen. Douglas O'Dell Jr. described the brigade, which
combines three existing anti-terrorism units.

O'Dell now commands the Chemical, Biological Incident Response Force, or
CBIRF, which has been combined with the Marine Security Force Battalion
and Marine Security Guard Battalion.

In all, 4,800 Marines and sailors will make up the brigade, with plans
to boost its end-strength over the next year by another 2,400, he said.

For now, it will be headquartered at Camp Lejuene, N.C., but might
eventually move to Norfolk, Va., he said.

Right now, headquarters is me and my notebook, O'Dell quipped during a
morning briefing with reporters at the Pentagon.

The brigade now broadens and deepens the capabilities of units that have
long been inherent to Marine Corps capabilities worldwide, O'Dell said.

The brigade will focus on anti-terrorism efforts in defensive methods,
O'Dell said.  It is not a counter-terrorism entity that will work to
snuff out terrorists.

So far, the brigade is costing the Marine Corps $21 million.  It will be
about 80 percent mission-ready and capable for deployment by Oct. 10,
and fully capable by Dec. 1.

The Federal Emergency Management Agency will have to request, through
the Joint Forces Command, the brigade's services for homeland
disasters.  Aid rendered abroad will fall under the commandant.

The brigade will provide its own force protection for any missions
overseas, and will rely on local police and national guardsman for
homeland missions, he said.

Marines and sailors of the CBIRF are trained to respond to disasters of
chemical, nuclear and biological warfare to decontaminate areas and
assist victims, hopefully turning victims into patients, he said.

It was activated in 1996 following the Sarin gas attack on a Tokyo
subway in 1995.

The CBIRF team can be to a scene within the United States within 5 hours
and anywhere in the world within 12.  The rest of the brigade can be
deployed worldwide within 72 hours.

The Marine Security Force Battalion's main mission is to detect, deter
and defend against threats, focusing on anti-terrorism.  Marines are
trained in countersurveillance, physical security operations and urban
combat techniques.

The Marine Security Guard Battalion's main mission is to provide
security services to selected State Department missions, such as U.S.
embassies.

The Marine Fleet Antiterrorism Security Teams, which evolved in the late
1980s to respond quickly to threats against specific targets, also make
up the brigade.

O'Dell said he briefed both Defense Secretary Donald Rumsfeld and Navy
Secretary Gordon England, both of whom think highly of the brigade.


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[CTRL] AFP: Bullet holes found in downed Russian jet:


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http://www.hindustantimes.com/nonfram/051001/dlfor28.asp



Bullet holes found in downed Russian jet: Reports

AFP Moscow, October 5


Several holes resembling those made by bullets were discovered in
recovered fragments of a Russian Tu-154 jet that crashed into the Black
Sea, Moscow news agencies reported on Friday citing rescue officials.

The captain of a dry cargo carrier conducting the rescue work reported
finding at least three holes in the fragment of the recovered cockpit,
reporting this information to the transportation ministry, which is
leading an investigation into yesterday's accident, Interfax said.

It is up to specialists to draw the final conclusion, the report
quoted the deputy rescue work Chief Nikolai Burkov.

Separately, ITAR-TASS reported that possible bullet holes were also
discovered in a door of the passenger jet.

Some 76 passengers, most of them Israelis, died on the flight, which
left Tel Aviv for the western Siberian city of Novosibirsk.

The investigation has focused on whether the plane was a victim of a
terrorist attack.  Other unconfirmed reports said the Sibir Air jet was
accidentally shot down during military exercises in Ukraine.

The reports of bullet holes would support suggestions that a terrorist
may have been onboard the ill-fated plane, although Russian officials
quickly declared that no conclusion could be reached on what caused the
tragedy until a formal investigation is completed.


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[CTRL] AP: Bin Laden Conglomerate Can't Shake Osama's Shadow


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http://ap.tbo.com/ap/breaking/MGAE4DJAGSC.html



Bin Laden Conglomerate Can't Shake Osama's Shadow


News/Current Events News Source: AP Published: 10/5/01 Author: Susan
Sevareid Posted on 10/05/2001 11:21:18 PDT by JeanS


MANAMA, Bahrain (AP) - Respected across the Middle East, the Saudi Bin
Laden Group renovated Islam's holiest sites, helped build the skyline in
Saudi Arabia's capital - and forged ties with the kingdom critical to its
business.

But since Sept. 11, the business connections so carefully nurtured by the
family have suddenly been threatened.

The family has disowned and repeatedly disavowed Osama bin Laden, the main
suspect behind the world's worst-ever terrorist assault. Yet some of the
Bin Laden Group's international bankers and business associates told The
Associated Press they are reconsidering or even cutting their ties.

Inside the Saudi Arabian kingdom are the first signs of uneasiness over the
royal family's decades-old relationship with the bin Ladens.

There is no evidence of financial links between Osama and the Bin Laden
conglomerate, and it is widely accepted in the kingdom that his company
ties are broken - a necessity to ensuring the royal favor needed to secure
prestigious contracts.

But some global businesses aren't taking any chances their images could be
damaged.

Cadbury Schweppes, the London-based beverage and candy maker, has severed
ties with a Saudi distributor owned by a Lebanese holding company in which
the bin Ladens have a minority stake.

Cadbury Schweppes said through a spokeswoman, Dora McCabe, that the Sept.
11 attacks prompted it to speed up an earlier decision to cut ties because
of slow sales. Asked why, she said: I think it's understandable.

Michael Walker, chief executive of Multitone wireless networking of
Britain, suspended dealings with Baud Telecommunications, a Bin Laden Group
subsidiary, after the terrorist attacks.

At times like this, businesses such as ours ... have a duty to act with
total integrity, Walker said, adding the company does very little of its
business in Saudi Arabia.

The Saudi Bin Laden Group did not respond to several requests for comment
made through telephone calls and a fax to a secretary in the company's
headquarters in Jiddah. About a dozen of Osama's 53 siblings work in the
conglomerate, which has $3 billion to $5 billion in annual revenue and
businesses including mining and telecommunications.

At Citigroup, which provides banking services to the Bin Laden Group,
spokeswoman Susan Weeks wouldn't elaborate on specific banking ties. But,
she said: Given the events of the past two weeks, we will be monitoring
the situation closely.

The Dutch ABN Amro bank, which owns 40 percent of a Saudi bank that has
counted the Bin Laden Group among its clients for seven decades, says it
has no evidence of wrongdoing.

If there is new information regarding a client which would lead us to
reevaluate the relationship or review the relationship then we will not
hesitate to do so, said ABN spokesman Jochem van de Laarschot.

Chas W. Freeman, Jr., a former U.S. ambassador to Saudi Arabia, said he's
heard that companies that have had very long and profitable relationships
are now running for public relations cover.

He attributed that to ignorance, noting the bin Laden remains a very
honored name in the kingdom.

Freeman, now board chairman of Projects International Inc., a Washington
company that helps arrange global business deals, says he's discussing
proposals with the Bin Laden Group - and that won't change.

Since its start in the 1930s by Osama bin Laden's father, Yemeni immigrant
Mohammed bin Laden, the Saudi Bin Laden Group has built airports, hotels,
palaces, power plants, roads and mosques.

It carried out massive renovations at Mecca and Medina, the holiest sites
in Islam, in the 1980s, and built the pyramid-shaped Faisaliah Center, a
Riyadh skyscraper that opened last year. It also restored Al Aqsa mosque in
Jerusalem, the third-holiest site, after a 1969 fire.

Osama bin Laden studied economics and worked in the company before making
jihad, or holy war, his career.

After he was caught smuggling weapons from Yemen in the early 1990s, Saudi
Arabia stripped him of his citizenship and froze his assets in the kingdom.

Estimates of his share of the inheritance from his father's 1968 death,
which was distributed 20 years later, begin at $50 million.

Though striving to extend its business globally, the bulk of the Bin Laden
Group's business is inside the kingdom. A lack of faith in the company at
home ultimately could prove more devastating than losing overseas business.

Turki al-Sudairy, editor in chief of the English-language Riyadh Daily,
which often reflects government views, took the unusual step of distancing
the monarchy from the bin Ladens.

In a recent column, he noted that the Bin Laden Group had fared extremely
well in the Mecca and Medina renovations.

It was the Saudi government which planned and

[CTRL] WP: Airliner Mssile Accidents


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October 5, 2001

Letters Editor
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To the Editor:

The Defense Department was quick to report that our satellites
detected a surface-to-air missile launched in Ukraine that may have downed
the Russian airliner over the Black Sea. In a related story (p. 32,
10/5/01),  the Post reported that there have been no known instances in
which a civilian airliner was mistakenly shot down during testing
exercises.

It would be more accurate to say there have been no admitted
instances. Hundreds of eyewitnesses saw what they believed to be a missile
heading toward TWA Flight 800 before it crashed. The official finding was
that a fuel tank explosion caused the crash and that all the eyewitnesses
had mistaken the airliner, climbing and trailing burning fuel, for a
missile.

The FBI reports of what the eyewitnesses saw can be found on
www.twa800.com.  Michael Wire, eyewitness #571, was described by an analyst
involved in the production of the CIA video simulation of the crash as the
best eyewitness they had.

Wire told the FBI he saw what he thought was a cheap firework
ascending from the beach. He first saw it just above the roof of a house
and that it arched over, went out to sea, and ended with an explosion that
shook the 70-ton bridge on which he was standing.

The CIA analyst falsely claimed that Wire changed his story, saying
that what he saw was high in the sky when he first saw it. That was
necessary to because the airliner was high in the sky, and Wire's statement
was to be the basis of the claim that all the eyewitnesses mistook the
plane for a missile. The FBI and NTSB both bought this.

Radar data show the plane did not climb after the explosion and that
a supersonic object was on a course intersecting with the plane. The
Defense Department refuses to disclose what its satellites revealed about
that. It won't acknowledge that missiles were fired in what James Kallstrom
told me was a classified Navy maneuver.

On Sept. 11, George Stephanopoulos, a senior Clinton adviser turned
ABC correspondent, said on camera that there was a meeting in the most
secure White House situation room in the aftermath of the TWA 800
bombing.

He hasn't explained why he referred to it as a bombing and why it
warranted a meeting in that room. Get the answers to those questions and
the Post might find a precedent for an airliner to be shot down by a
missile during a testing exercise.


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[CTRL] LonTimes: Repressed homosexuality? - The Taleban


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In Pashtun society, man-woman love was the one that dared not speak its
name: boy courtesans conducted their affairs openly.

This is some sick, sick shit. It seems to directly contradict the claims of
the homosexual activists like Andrew Sullivan who keep insisting that
homosexuality is not allowed in Afghanistan. To the contrary it seems
to be favored. This is a most curious phenomenon because it seems to have
similarities to rampant homosexuality among the Nazi SS.

BTW, there is a eye-opening book about that by Scott Lively called The Pink
Swastika - Homosexuality in the Nazi Party

http://www.abidingtruth.com/pinkswastika/book.html.





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Repressed homosexuality? - The Taleban

News/Current Events Breaking News News Keywords: TALEBAN HOMOSEXUALITY
Source: UK Times
Published: OCTOBER 5 2001 Author: Michael Griffin
Posted on 10/05/2001 10:52:27 PDT by HowardJarvis
http://www.freerepublic.com/forum/a3bbdf35b127b.htm


Seven years after the Taleban movement was founded, the features of its
leader, Mullah Muhammad Omar, are unknown outside Kandahar, where he lived
with his wife and children until the events of September 11. He has been
described as about 44 years old and 'unusually tall' for an Afghan;
alternatively 'heavy-set' or 'distinguished'. His right eye is stitched
shut, the result of an encounter with Soviet soldiers when he was a
Mujahidin commander with the Harakat-I Inqilab-I-Islami Party. The left
eye, his few visitors allow, has a 'hawk-like, unrelenting' gaze.

He assiduously cultivates this air of enigma in a refusal to be
photographed, and by delegating all but the most crucial encounters with
non-Afghans to colleagues or underlings. He has visited Kabul once since
the Taleban captured it five years ago. What scant media access the Mullah
permits tends to reinforce his image as a sphinx-like visitor from another
plane of being.

The atmosphere in his immediate court, by contrast, is relaxed and
informal.

Commanders come and go, dipping their fingers into the communal cooking pot
and contributing at liberty to whatever discussion is going on. The Mullah
keeps a strongbox by his side, handing out expenses as and when required.
This is expected under the Pashtun tribal code, known as pashtunwali, in
which relations between men are seldom hierarchical.

Muhammad Omar's first explanation of the Taleban's mission was that it had
arisen to restore peace, to provide security to the wayfarer and to protect
the honour of women and the poor. But the rise of the mullah under the
Taleban proved to be less a return to the elusive values cherished in
pre-communist times than the stupefying of a spiritual tradition that once
traced its origins back to the footsteps of the Prophet.

The sayed, the pir and the alim, Afghanistan's spiritual aristocracy,
comprised a legacy that combined 'High Church' trends in Islamic thought
with a popular belief in spirit possession and anchored them in the
everyday life of the village. The Taleban buried them all and the mullah, a
cross between a country parson and a Shakespearean clown, recited the
funeral rights.

The young taleb, or religious students, who rallied to the cause were the
product of the Deoband school of Sunni thought, founded 130 years earlier
in Uttar Pradesh, India. The Deobandis represent the extreme of attempts to
regulate the personal behaviour of their pupils, having issued nearly a
quarter of a million fatwa on the minutiae of everyday life since the
beginning of the 20th century.

Boys enter the system as wards, exchanging life in a poor family for bed,
board and an austere catechism that will one day lead to life as a mullah.

It is tempting to identify in this early separation from female relatives
the origins of the extreme misogyny that, even more than the objective of a
pure Islamic state, lent cohesion to the Taleban as they marched into and
subdued non-Pashtun lands.

But Taleban misogyny went so far beyond what is normally intended by the
word that it qualified as a kind of 'gynaeophobia' so broad that a glimpse
of stockinged foot or varnished nail was taken as a seductive invitation to
personal damnation.

Women had to be covered, closeted and, where necessary, beaten to prevent
more sin from being spewed into society. Part of this anxiety was sexual
and could be attributed to the highly charged rules of pashtunwali under
which girls embark on the perilous road to puberty at seven when they are
separated from boys and men. From then until marriage, youths have no
permissible contact with the opposite sex beyond the members of their own
family.

In Kandahar, the custom of seclusion had given rise to a rich tradition of
homosexual passion, celebrated in poetry, dance and the practice of male
prostitution. Heterosexual romance, by contrast, was freighted with the
fear of broken honour, the threat of vendetta and, ultimately,

[CTRL] EDWARD W. SAID: The Clash of Ignorance

2001-10-05 Thread Chris Case



The Clash of Ignorance by EDWARD W. SAID
Samuel Huntington's article "The Clash of Civilizations?"
appeared in the Summer 1993 issue of Foreign Affairs, where it immediately
attracted a surprising amount of attention and reaction. Because the article
was intended to supply Americans with an original thesis about "a new phase"
in world politics after the end of the cold war, Huntington's terms of
argument seemed compellingly large, bold, even visionary. He very clearly
had his eye on rivals in the policy-making ranks, theorists such as Francis
Fukuyama and his "end of history" ideas, as well as the legions who had
celebrated the onset of globalism, tribalism and the dissipation of the
state. But they, he allowed, had understood only some aspects of this new
period. He was about to announce the "crucial, indeed a central, aspect"
of what "global politics is likely to be in the coming years." Unhesitatingly
he pressed on:
"It is my hypothesis that the fundamental source of conflict in
this new world will not be primarily ideological or primarily economic.
The great divisions among humankind and the dominating source of conflict
will be cultural. Nation states will remain the most powerful actors in
world affairs, but the principal conflicts of global politics will occur
between nations and groups of different civilizations. The clash of civilizations
will dominate global politics. The fault lines between civilizations will
be the battle lines of the future."
Most of the argument in the pages that followed relied on a vague
notion of something Huntington called "civilization identity" and "the
interactions among seven or eight [sic] major civilizations," of which
the conflict between two of them, Islam and the West, gets the lion's share
of his attention. In this belligerent kind of thought, he relies heavily
on a 1990 article by the veteran Orientalist Bernard Lewis, whose ideological
colors are manifest in its title, "The Roots of Muslim Rage." In both articles,
the personification of enormous entities called "the West" and "Islam"
is recklessly affirmed, as if hugely complicated matters like identity
and culture existed in a cartoonlike world where Popeye and Bluto bash
each other mercilessly, with one always more virtuous pugilist getting
the upper hand over his adversary. Certainly neither Huntington nor Lewis
has much time to spare for the internal dynamics and plurality of every
civilization, or for the fact that the major contest in most modern cultures
concerns the definition or interpretation of each culture, or for the unattractive
possibility that a great deal of demagogy and downright ignorance is involved
in presuming to speak for a whole religion or civilization. No, the West
is the West, and Islam Islam.
The challenge for Western policy-makers, says Huntington, is to
make sure that the West gets stronger and fends off all the others, Islam
in particular. More troubling is Huntington's assumption that his perspective,
which is to survey the entire world from a perch outside all ordinary attachments
and hidden loyalties, is the correct one, as if everyone else were scurrying
around looking for the answers that he has already found. In fact, Huntington
is an ideologist, someone who wants to make "civilizations" and "identities"
into what they are not: shut-down, sealed-off entities that have been purged
of the myriad currents and countercurrents that animate human history,
and that over centuries have made it possible for that history not only
to contain wars of religion and imperial conquest but also to be one of
exchange, cross-fertilization and sharing. This far less visible history
is ignored in the rush to highlight the ludicrously compressed and constricted
warfare that "the clash of civilizations" argues is the reality. When he
published his book by the same title in 1996, Huntington tried to give
his argument a little more subtlety and many, many more footnotes; all
he did, however, was confuse himself and demonstrate what a clumsy writer
and inelegant thinker he was.
The basic paradigm of West versus the rest (the cold war opposition
reformulated) remained untouched, and this is what has persisted, often
insidiously and implicitly, in discussion since the terrible events of
September 11. The carefully planned and horrendous, pathologically motivated
suicide attack and mass slaughter by a small group of deranged militants
has been turned into proof of Huntington's thesis. Instead of seeing it
for what it is--the capture of big ideas (I use the word loosely) by a
tiny band of crazed fanatics for criminal purposes--international luminaries
from former Pakistani Prime Minister Benazir Bhutto to Italian Prime Minister
Silvio Berlusconi have pontificated about Islam's troubles, and in the
latter's case have used Huntington's ideas to rant on about the West's
superiority, how "we" have Mozart and Michelangelo and they don't. (Berlusconi
has since made a halfhearted apology for his insult to

[CTRL] REU: Iraq Says U.S. Is a Terrorist; Israel Praises Islam


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Iraq Says U.S. Is a Terrorist; Israel Praises Islam

By Evelyn Leopold


UNITED NATIONS (Reuters) - Iraq accused the United States and Israel of
terrorism on Thursday while Israel defended itself against a string of Arab
accusations and praised Islam as one of the world's great religions.

``I would like to express my deeply held conviction that the three great
faiths -- Judaism, Christianity and Islam -- share the same values and obey
the same fundamental commitments,'' Israel's U.N. Ambassador Yehuda Lancry
told the 189-member U.N. General Assembly during a counter-terrorism
debate.

``Today, more than ever, our common spiritual heritage should inspire and
nurture our actions for the betterment of our common being and our common
destiny,'' he said.

One by one, all General Assembly members, during four days of debate, have
condemned the Sept. 11 attacks against the United States and promised to
cooperate in a global coalition against its perpetrators.

But the 22-member group of Arab nations, represented by Libya, on Tuesday
called Palestinians victims of a different form of terrorism, supported
their right to fight for a state and said ``occupation was equal to
terrorism.''

Syria, in its speech on Wednesday spelled it out, saying: ''Occupation was
the most savage form of terrorism, and so resisting this kind of
occupation, including the Israeli occupation, is legitimate.''

On Thursday, it was Iraq's turn. Its ambassador, Mohammed Aldouri, said
Israel and the United States were guilty of ''state terrorism.'' Washington
not only fought to keep 11-year-old U.N. sanctions in place, bombed his
country freely but trained dissidents to destabilize the Baghdad
government.

``We cannot consider the legitimate struggle of the people of the world
against sanctions and American and British colonial aggressions as
terrorism, ``Aldouri said.

``What the American policy stands for toward the people of the world (is)
hegemony, slavery and denying people's rights, legitimate interests and
inspirations,'' he said.

President Saddam Hussein has said that sending condolences to the U.S.
government would be hypocritical. But Aldouri denied Iraq had gloated at
the Sept. 11 disaster and said this was invented by the media and ``Zionist
circles.''

Deputy Prime Minister Tareq Aziz had sent condolence letters to ``some
American personalities that have shown sympathy toward the people of
Iraq,'' he said.


ISRAEL: FIGHTING FOR IDEALS NO EXCUSE FOR TERROR

In his speech, Israel's Lancry told the General Assembly that certain
Middle East and other nations ``granted terrorists safe harbor,'' and gave
them weapons, training and finances.

``Through their support, both active and tacit, these regimes have declared
themselves the allies of terrorism, and bear no less responsibility than
the terrorists themselves,'' he said, without mentioning any country by
name.

He characterized the conflict with Palestinians over the past year in the
occupied West Bank and Gaza as ``legitimate self-defense against an
indiscriminate and suicidal terrorist campaign'' in violation of signed
accords. And he said Israel had been attacked by terrorists since its
inception in 1948.

``Fabricating distinctions between different types of terror, though
conveniently couched in the language of noble ideals, are an unforgivable
insult to the memories of those who have perished.'' Lancry said.

``Let us be clear: the indiscriminate murder of innocent civilians to
advance political or religious objectives is terrorism, not matter how its
apologists seek to label it,'' Lancry said.

Contending that thousands of people had been butchered in the name of an
ideal, Lancry said, ``Terrorism is defined by what one does, not by what
one does it for.''

Arab nations, such as Egypt, have called on Israel not to use the carnage
in the United States as an excuse to escalate the conflict with
Palestinians.

Israel in turn has appealed to Washington not to seek Arab support for its
campaign against terrorism at Israel's expense.

The United States has applied pressure on Israel and the Palestinians to
end a year of violence as it tries to draw Arab and Islamic countries into
an anti-terrorism coalition to respond to the Sept. 11 attacks. The hijack
attacks on New York's World Trade Center and the Pentagon in Washington
left 5,600 people dead or missing.


Copyright C 2001 Reuters Limited.


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[CTRL] Guardian: Israel attacks US campaign


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Israel attacks US campaign

By Suzanne Goldenberg in Tel Aviv and Virginia Quirke in Jerusalem
Friday October 5, 2001
The Guardian


The Israeli prime minister, Ariel Sharon, renounced a week-old Middle East
ceasefire last night, and accused Washington of sacrificing the Jewish
state to win Arab support for a broad war coalition. The scathing attack on
the western diplomatic campaign arrived only hours after a Palestinian
gunman dressed in an Israeli paratrooper's uniform rampaged through a bus
station in northern Galilee, killing three Israelis and wounding eight
others.

Mr Sharon said: Don't repeat the terrible mistake of 1938 when the
enlightened democracies of Europe decided to sacrifice Czechoslovakia for a
convenient temporary solution. Do not try to placate the Arabs at our
expense.

The statement added: We will not be able to accept that. Israel will not
be Czechoslovakia. Israel will fight terror.

The prime minister's blunt remarks and his resort to a metaphor that is a
staple of Israeli rightwing rhetoric - the failed policy of appeasement
that allowed Hitler's march across Europe - was aimed at domestic opinion.

For all Washington's urging for Israel to reach a lasting ceasefire with
the Palestinian leader, Yasser Arafat, Mr Sharon remains preoccupied with
placating coalition partners who are even further to the right, and Jewish
settlers. After yesterday's attack on Afula, one of Mr Sharon's most
extreme allies, the Russian immigrant leader Avigdor Lieberman, told Israel
radio that the army should invade Gaza, and wipe out the Palestinian
authority.

Late last night, two armed Jewish settlers entered the isolated village of
Jiljilya in the West Bank, and barricaded themselves inside a house before
being rescued by the Israeli army. Palestinian officials said it was a
hostage-taking operation; the Israeli army said the settlers had got lost.

With those rightwing pressures in mind, Mr Sharon gave the strongest
official confirmation so far that Israel was scrapping the week-old
ceasefire agreed by Mr Arafat and his foreign minister, Shimon Peres.

All of our efforts to arrive at a ceasefire were defeated at the hand of
the Palestinians. The fire did not stop even for a day, Mr Sharon said.
Thefore the cabinet directed the security apparatus to bring full security
to the citizens of Israel. We can rely on ourselves, and from today onwards
we will rely only on ourselves.

On the ground, meanwhile, officials from Mr Arafat's Fatah faction accused
Israel of resuming its strategy of assassinations after an activist, Rami
Kamel, 21, lost a hand in an explosion in the West Bank city of Bethlehem.

I hold the Israeli government responsible for this assassination attempt
which comes after Israel's inner security cabinet decision to carry out
assassinations, said Kamel Hmeid, a Fatah official in Bethlehem.

Yesterday's attack in Galilee produced the first Israeli fatalities inside
the Jewish state since the ceasefire.

Witnesses described how the gunman, dressed as an Israeli army paratrooper
down to the folded red beret in his epaulette, stepped off a bus from Tel
Aviv. He entered a market and began shooting, emptying one magazine and
reloading a second, as he took advantage of the confusion caused by his
Israeli army uniform.

Before he was shot dead by police, he had killed one man, 76, and
critically wounded two women, who died later in hospital.

The bus driver, Michel Harel, was making a phone call at the Afula station
when he saw the gunman opening fire. I heard a series of shots at a
murderous pace. There was a panic and everybody started to run, he told
Israel radio.

There was no immediate claim of responsibility for the attack. However,
Israel radio said police discovered a letter in Arabic on the gunman's
body, which may have been a suicide note, and a Palestinian ID card.

Security officials said he may have come from Jenin, the
Palestinian-controlled town on the northern edges of the West Bank, that is
a stronghold of the Islamic Jihad.



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[CTRL] BBC: Innocent Afghans pay for the terrorist attacks in US


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http://www.khilafah.com/1421/category.php?DocumentID=2335TagID=2



Innocent Afghans pay for the terrorist attacks in US


PESHAWAR: Wrapped in rags and tied with a cloth strip from chest to legs,
the little baby is fast asleep in his mother's lap near her tent at a
squalid camp a couple of yards off the British era railway track near the
posh Hayatabad Township. Named Jehangir -- means conqueror of the world --
the infant was born seven days ago in a truck which was carrying his
pregnant mother and other family members who were fleeing from Kabul to
Peshawar to save their lives in wake of the threat of US attack on
Afghanistan.

Jehangir spent the first two days of his seven-day life in the truck that
brought his family along with their belongings to Peshawar via Parachinar
on Pak-Afghan border. His family neither had means nor resources to take
him to the doctor for medical check-up during that period. The next five
days were even troublesome. After reaching Peshawar the family members had
to search for some place to settle down. And when they found a vacant plot
in midst of a residential area near Hayatabad town in Peshawar, they had
more pressing things to do. It took sometime for them to erect wooden polls
and casing and stretching cord and sheet to turn it into a place for
shelter. The next challenge staring them in the eye was getting food for
which they had no resources. The easier and immediate solution with the
infant's father was to resort to begging in the local market and bazaars.

It is but natural for both Jehangir and his mother, Pasta Gul, in this
situation to go the background. Both the mother and the child and also the
rest of the four siblings in the family are not getting enough food. They
have no cots in their tents and sleep on a mat on the ground in their about
4x4 metre tent. The rest of the residents are also not in a less precarious
situation.

The settlement that sprouted during the 10 days houses about 100 families
in cloth and sheet tents. The residents mostly belong to Kotah Sangi area
in Kabul. Keeping in view the closure of Torkham border most of them
trekked a long route to cross over to Pakistan via Miranshah and
Parachinar.

Their small quarters are situated adjacent to each other. Their small tents
house not only about eight to 10 persons of the family but also all of
their belongings that they could carry along from Kabul. Old wooden crates
and boxes, dirty bedspreads and quilts, kitchen utensils, a lantern, etc,
are common in these tents beside the humans. Many of the residents have
brought quail in cages and hens and cocks all the way from Kabul.

The small passages between the rows of the tents serve both as kitchen and
washroom. They wash -- which they rarely do -- their clothes and prepare
their food here. Many residents tie their sheep and goats with the tent
pegs and wooden polls in the daytime. They take the cattle inside the tent
in the night to protect them from thieves.

Most of the residents, particularly children, are dressed in extremely
shabby and torn-out clothes. Their skin is seemingly turning pale and their
faces, feet and hands have gathered layers of dirt. The majority has no
footwear. They gaze with empty and uncertain eyes.

There is no bathroom and sanitation system available in the settlement. So
is the case with water both for drinking and washing. The immigrants have
to bring water from the nearby mosque in buckets, etc. Over and above, the
settlement has been established in a residential area without any official
approval and is thus devoid of legal cover. This not only makes them
illegal immigrants but also divests them of any assistance in case of
international aid for refugees. Thus more miseries.

The threat of US attack seems to have catalysed the humanitarian crisis
that was set off by more than 20 years of war and continued drought in
Afghanistan. Strike or no strike, the Afghans are paying for the September
11 terrorist incident in Washington and New York that was presumably
carried out by some Arab nationals. Miseries seem to have learnt the art of
remaining in close liaison with the Afghans. If not how could an
unfortunate incident involving the US and Arabs ended in suffering for the
destitute people of the war-afflicted country.

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A court in Uzbekistan has sentenced nine people to prison terms of between
nine and 12 years for alleged membership of the outlawed Islamic group,
Hezbut-Tahrir.

The defendants acknowledged they were, or had been, members of the group,
which the Uzbek authorities accuse of recruiting thousands of young Uzbeks
to its cause of setting up a pan-Islamic state, or caliphate.

But the defendants denied they had been involved in anti-constitutional
activities - as the prosecution alleged.

The trial was

[CTRL] Zero-Knowledge bags anonymity service


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Zero-Knowledge bags anonymity service

By Will Roger
Posted: 05/10/2001 at 06:15 GMT


Zero-Knowledge Systems' Freedom Network, an Internet privacy service that
many believed would make on-line eavesdropping all but impossible, will
cease to exist 22 October, the company announced Thursday.

The Montreal-based privacy and security company notified its subscribers of
the change in a curt support notice on the Freedom Web site. The company
will continue to supply other privacy tools to corporations and consumers,
however, including personal firewall and e-wallet software.

The sudden suspension may have come as a shock, but not a surprise. Privacy
mavens contacted by SecurityFocus said they saw little evidence that
Freedom was being used.

I get only a few hits from ZKS, but I get only a few hits from anonymizers
of any kind, said John Young, a New York City architect who operates
Cryptome, a site dedicated to airing documents that deal with the world
intelligence community. What most of us were concerned about was how long
they could keep it up.

ZKS co-founder Austin Hill conceded that Freedom never really took off.

This was purely a business decision, Hill said. Initially we got
incredible response for the premium services, but we knew we were dealing
with early adopters. But soon we saw the transfer into the mass market just
didn't carry over. The subscription rates really plunged.

Hill declined to disclose subscriber numbers.

ZKS made a huge splash in the world of privacy-aware Netizens when it
announced Freedom in 1998. Back then, the Internet was still riding high.
High, too, was anxiety over unscrupulous governments and corporations that
might monitor Internet users' every click and keystroke. The looming
combination of Web cookies, server logs and purchase histories, many
feared, would lead to the compilation not just of what people bought, but
what they wrote, what they read, and every aspect of their on-line
identity.

Product had cypherpunk credibility To some, ZKS' Freedom seemed to be the
answer. To prevent others from tying tell-tale data left by PCs back to
individuals, Freedom used powerful data-scrambling technology to make that
data unreadable, and users virtually untraceable. Customers paid about
$50.00 per year for the service.

Adding to the buzz was ZKS' solid cypherpunk pedigree. Company executives
signed up a passel of renowned security experts to design Freedom,
including Ian Goldberg, who first won fame by exposing security flaws in
the Netscape browser. If people like civil libertarian Goldberg and fellow
cryptographer Adam Shostack designed the system, the reasoning went, it had
to be good.

Special servers that resided on the Internet functioned as privileged
gateways for Freedom users. Instead of broadcasting their data to their
ISPs and the rest of the world, PCs with the ZKS software installed talked
only to Freedom servers through a series of specially encrypted packets.

Users could pass their Web traffic through one, two or three separate
Freedom servers before landing at the Web site they wanted to browse. When
their requests touched down at a target site, the server there saw only
that it came from a Freedom user. Because Freedom never left any other
information that could be traced to the user, the target Web site had no
way of tying, say, a user's numeric IP address to the name he might leave
behind on an order form.

And since the service encrypted traffic as it passed from the user to
Freedom server and back again, would-be eavesdroppers never had a chance to
figure out what John Q. Netizen saw on the Web. The Freedom network would
even run traffic through two or three such servers if a user feared that
cyber spies could somehow correlate their Web requests to activities on a
given server.

The technology was almost too good to be true, and, some said, too costly
to last.

The business was awfully expensive, said Lance Cottrell, president of
Anonymizer.com, a Web-based privacy service that has survived in part
because it does not go to the same lengths -- extreme lengths, some say --
to protect its users.

The Freedom network came with performance costs, in part because it
generated many packets that served only to make snooping on subscribers
more difficult. The proportion of excess traffic declined as more users
signed up, but the system would always use much more bandwidth than the
unprotected Internet did. Many users noticed a visible slowing in their Net
connections as a result.

Too much privacy? Greg Broiles, a lawyer and cryptographer who advises
companies on issues of security and e-commerce, said he didn't think there
would ever be enough users to justify the expense of the network. I just
don't see how it could work, said Broiles. It makes it hard to get out of
bootstrap mode.

The system also required users to operate a separate toolbar.

It was more than what the market wants,

[CTRL] NYP: THE DOSSIER AGAINST BIN LADEN


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NYPOST

THE DOSSIER AGAINST BIN LADEN

October 5, 2001 -- The British government yesterday released an outline
of the evidence linking Osama Bin Laden to the World Trade Center and
Pentagon terror attacks.

Details, including the names and sources behind the evidence, were
excised for security reasons, but Prime Minister Tony Blair said
authorities know much more than they can say publicly.

The summary, which Blair outlined in the House of Commons, was later
posted on the Internet.  It does not purport to provide a prosecutable
case against bin Laden.

The document reveals that bin Laden spoke of a major attack on America
in the days before the strikes on the World Trade Center and warned
associates to return to Afghanistan by September 10.


RESPONSIBILITY FOR THE TERRORIST ATROCITIES IN THE UNITED STATES, 11
SEPTEMBER 2001

INTRODUCTION

1.  The clear conclusions reached by the government are:
Osama bin Laden and al-Qaida, the terrorist network which he heads,
planned and carried out the atrocities on 11 September 2001; Osama bin
Laden and al-Qaida retain the will and resources to carry out further
atrocities; the United Kingdom, and United Kingdom nationals are
potential targets; and Osama bin Laden and al-Qaida were able to commit
these atrocities because of their close alliance with the Taliban
regime, which allowed them to operate with impunity in pursuing their
terrorist activity.

2.  The material in respect of 1998 and the USS Cole comes from
indictments and intelligence sources.  The material in respect of 11
September comes from intelligence and the criminal investigation to
date.  The details of some aspects cannot be given, but the facts are
clear from the intelligence.

3.  The document does not contain the totality of the material known to
Her Majesty s Government, given the continuing and absolute need to
protect intelligence sources.


SUMMARY

4.  The relevant facts show:


Background

Al-Qaida is a terrorist organization with ties to a global network,
which has been in existence for over 10 years.  It was founded, and has
been led at all times, by Osama bin Laden.

Osama bin Laden and al-Qaida have been engaged in a jihad against the
United States, and its allies.  One of their stated aims is the murder
of U.S.  citizens, and attacks on America s allies.

Osama bin Laden and al-Qaida have been based in Afghanistan since 1996,
but have a network of operations throughout the world.  The network
includes training camps, warehouses, communication facilities and
commercial operations able to raise significant sums of money to support
its activity.  That activity includes substantial exploitation of the
illegal drugs trade from Afghanistan.

Osama bin Laden s al-Qaida and the Taliban regime have a close and
mutually dependent alliance.  Osama bin Laden and al-Qaida provide the
Taliban regime with material, financial and military support.  They
jointly exploit the drugs trade.  The Taliban regime allows bin Laden to
operate his terrorist training camps and activities from Afghanistan,
protects him from attacks from outside, and protects the drugs
stockpiles.
Osama bin Laden could not operate his terrorist activities without the
alliance and support of the Taliban regime.  The Taliban s strength
would be seriously weakened without Osama bin Laden s military and
financial support.

Osama bin Laden and al-Qaida have the capability to execute major
terrorist attacks.

Osama bin Laden has claimed credit for the attack on U.S.
soldiers in Somalia in October 1993, which killed 18; for the attack on
the U.S.  Embassies in Kenya and Tanzania in August 1998 which killed
224 and injured nearly 5,000; and were linked to the attack on the USS
Cole on 12 October 2000, in which 17 crew members were killed and 40 others
injured.

They have sought to acquire nuclear and chemical materials for use as
terrorist weapons.


IN RELATION TO THE TERRORIST ATTACKS ON 11 SEPTEMBER

5.  After 11 September we learned that, not long before, bin Laden had
indicated he was about to launch a major attack on America.  The
detailed planning for the terrorist attacks of 11 September was carried out
by one of Osama bin Laden s close associates.  Of the 19 hijackers involved
in 11 September 2001, it has already been established that at least three
had links with al-Qaida.


The attacks on 11 September

2001 were similar in both their ambition and intended impact to previous
attacks undertaken by Osama bin Laden and al-Qaida, and also had
features in common.  In particular:

Suicide attackers

1.  Coordinated attacks on the same day

2.  The aim to cause maximum American casualties

3.  Total disregard for other casualties, including Muslim


METICULOUS LONG-TERM PLANNING

1.  Absence of warning.

6.  Al-Qaida retains the capability and the will to make further attacks
on the U.S.  and its allies, including the United Kingdom.

7.  Al-Qaida gives no warning of terrorist attack.

Re: [CTRL] Terror Hackers get hammered

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  It says, among others things:   Backers of the Anti-Terrorism Act argue
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legislation what it will be used for, otherwise forget it.  The drug war
property confiscation laws weren't aimed at ranchers and others, but look
what happened?

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[CTRL] WSJ: Grand-Jury Secrecy Rules Help the Terrorists


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October 5, 2001

Commentary

Grand-Jury Secrecy Rules Help the Terrorists


By Stuart Baker. Mr. Baker, former general counsel of the National Security
Agency, practices law in Washington.

For weeks, pundits have been warning us against new legislation that would
sacrifice essential liberties in the name of a false security. Judging by
the reaction to the Bush administration's antiterrorism bill, the real
question is whether we'll be sacrificing essential security in the name of
false civil-liberties concerns.

Perhaps the most pointed example of this is Congress's handling of the
administration proposal to let law enforcement authorities share grand jury
information with national security and intelligence agencies. Senate
negotiators stalled the entire bill over this issue, and the House has
already modified the proposal in a way that renders it nearly meaningless.

The concerted opposition to this proposal is hard to justify. Barriers to
information-sharing between intelligence and law enforcement agencies have
already cost us dearly in the fight against terror.

Information about the activities of terrorists abroad is usually gathered
by our intelligence agencies, most notably the Central Intelligence Agency.

Inside the U.S., the information is gathered by the Federal Bureau of
Investigation. Since terrorist acts are crimes, the FBI often uses criminal
tools, such as grand-jury subpoenas, to gather that information.

Obviously, this information needs to be shared by both agencies. We need to
be able to analyze a conversation overheard in Hamburg, Germany, in the
light of a series of bank deposits in New Jersey. But right now, most of
the sharing runs only one way. FBI agents can see the intelligence from
Hamburg, but CIA analysts aren't allowed to see the New Jersey bank
records -- if those records were gathered with a grand jury subpoena. Since
it's the CIA, not the FBI, that has the capability to really analyze
terrorists' future plans (as opposed to catching them afterward), this
restriction is an invitation to more attacks.

This is not just a theoretical risk. In fact, grand jury secrecy rules may
be one reason we didn't anticipate the Sept. 11 attack. Start with the
proposition that whoever dreamed up the first World Trade Center bombing
was probably also behind the second attack. Who conceived and organized
that first attack? We can't be sure, in part because the CIA was hobbled in
its review of the first attack -- by grand jury secrecy.

Writing in the New Republic two weeks ago, former CIA Director Jim Woolsey
explained: No one other than the prosecutors, the Clinton Justice
Department, and the FBI had access to the materials surrounding that case
until they were presented in court, because they were virtually all
obtained by a federal grand jury and hence kept not only from the public
but from the rest of the government.

When the administration tried to ease these restrictions, the Senate
Judiciary Committee insisted that any such sharing be approved by a judge
upon a showing that the matters pertain to international or domestic
terrorism or national security. But asking judges to review every document
-- or even every class of documents -- is unworkable. Certainly no such
restriction applies when prosecutors share the same information with
investigative agencies.

Is grand jury secrecy so important to our liberty and privacy that the
nation has to pay for it in crippled intelligence capability? Maybe, but
it's hard to see why.

Sure, the privacy of suspects under investigation is important. The
accusations made against them before the grand jury shouldn't be publicized
until the government has actually decided that a good case can be made. But
no one is talking about making grand jury information public. Rather, the
administration has proposed that it be shared with those government
agencies that play a vital role in stopping terrorism.

Under the current grand jury rules, a criminal prosecutor can share jury
information freely with his secretary, with other lawyers in the office,
with the FBI, with Justice Department paralegals -- indeed, with any other
official the prosecutor thinks will help him to enforce the criminal law.

Do we really think that all these personnel will do a better job of
protecting a suspect's privacy than CIA analysts -- who, after all, are in
the business of keeping far more important secrets than that?

The real question is not whether this tradeoff between civil liberties and
security is justified. The real question is why Bush administration
negotiators didn't work harder to push through the change. Here, I can only
speculate that the Justice Department, at least at the start, wasn't
wholeheartedly behind the measure.

Why not? A broad interpretation of the grand jury protections has proven
quite handy in allowing Justice to dismiss Freedom of Information Act
requests for documents gathered by prosecutors. As

[CTRL] [smashthestate] Bush's Faustian Deal with the Taliban

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  Bush's Faustian Deal With the Taliban
By Robert Scheer
Published May 22, 2001 in the Los Angeles Times


Enslave your girls and women, harbor anti-U.S. terrorists, destroy every
vestige of civilization in your homeland, and the Bush administration will
embrace you. All that matters is that you line up as an ally in the drug war,
the only international cause that this nation still takes seriously.

That's the message sent with the recent gift of $43 million to the Taliban
rulers of Afghanistan, the most virulent anti-American violators of human
rights in the world today. The gift, announced last Thursday by Secretary of
State Colin Powell, in addition to other recent aid, makes the U.S. the main
sponsor of the Taliban and rewards that rogue regime for declaring that
opium growing is against the will of God. So, too, by the Taliban's
estimation, are most human activities, but it's the ban on drugs that catches
this administration's attention.

Never mind that Osama bin Laden still operates the leading anti-American
terror operation from his base in Afghanistan, from which, among other
crimes, he launched two bloody attacks on American embassies in Africa in
1998.

Sadly, the Bush administration is cozying up to the Taliban regime at a time
when the United Nations, at U.S. insistence, imposes sanctions on Afghanistan
because the Kabul government will not turn over Bin Laden.

The war on drugs has become our own fanatics' obsession and easily trumps all
other concerns. How else could we come to reward the Taliban, who has
subjected the female half of the Afghan population to a continual reign of
terror in a country once considered enlightened in its treatment of women?

At no point in modern history have women and girls been more systematically
abused than in Afghanistan where, in the name of madness masquerading as
Islam, the government in Kabul obliterates their fundamental human rights.
Women may not appear in public without being covered from head to toe with
the oppressive shroud called the burkha , and they may not leave the house
without being accompanied by a male family member. They've not been permitted
to attend school or be treated by male doctors, yet women have been banned
from practicing medicine or any profession for that matter.

The lot of males is better if they blindly accept the laws of an extreme
religious theocracy that prescribes strict rules governing all behavior, from
a ban on shaving to what crops may be grown. It is this last power that has
captured the enthusiasm of the Bush White House.

The Taliban fanatics, economically and diplomatically isolated, are at the
breaking point, and so, in return for a pittance of legitimacy and cash from
the Bush administration, they have been willing to appear to reverse
themselves on the growing of opium. That a totalitarian country can
effectively crack down on its farmers is not surprising. But it is grotesque
for a U.S. official, James P. Callahan, director of the State Department's
Asian anti-drug program, to describe the Taliban's special methods in the
language of representative democracy: The Taliban used a system of
consensus-building, Callahan said after a visit with the Taliban, adding
that the Taliban justified the ban on drugs in very religious terms.

Of course, Callahan also reported, those who didn't obey the theocratic edict
would be sent to prison.

In a country where those who break minor rules are simply beaten on the spot
by religious police and others are stoned to death, it's understandable that
the government's religious argument might be compelling. Even if it means,
as Callahan concedes, that most of the farmers who grew the poppies will now
confront starvation. That's because the Afghan economy has been ruined by the
religious extremism of the Taliban, making the attraction of opium as a
previously tolerated quick cash crop overwhelming.

For that reason, the opium ban will not last unless the U.S. is willing to
pour far larger amounts of money into underwriting the Afghan economy.

As the Drug Enforcement Administration's Steven Casteel admitted, The bad
side of the ban is that it's bringing their country--or certain regions of
their country--to economic ruin. Nor did he hold out much hope for Afghan
farmers growing other crops such as wheat, which require a vast
infrastructure to supply water and fertilizer that no longer exists in that
devastated country. There's little doubt that the Taliban will turn once
again to the easily taxed cash crop of opium in order to stay in power.

Re: [CTRL] Fwd: Indict Katherine Harris, Democrats Urge

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