date:20021116

If at first you don't succeed Mr Wint...
http://www.wired.com/news/politics/0,1283,42745,00.html
...they tried to get me and my wife -- interrogating us separately -- to 
implicate e-gold, Bradley said. They said, 'Might (e-gold) be doing this, 
could they be doing this?'

Try,Try again Mr Kidd.
http://www.ustreas.gov/usss/director.shtml
Not gone but forgotten.Hey Rick,hows your mother?

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Assassination Politics: Coming soon? They cant lock us all up.

It's been a number of years since Jim Bell wrote his infamous 
Assassination Politics essay. If someone were to try to implement the 
system today and not share Jim Bell's fate, they would need absolute 
anonymity and security. The technical requirements for implementing the 
system are: 1. Anonymous and secure communication between the organization 
and the contributors and guessors. 2. Anonymous payment system. 3. 
Anonymous public presense of the organization to solicit contributions and 
display bounties to potential assassins. At the time AP was written, only 
the first requirement could have been met using the mixmaster remailer 
network. The last two requirements were not yet available. However, two new 
systems, DMT and Freenet, could be used to meet the anonymous payment and 
anonymous public presense requirements. If someone did want to implement 
AP, would DMT/Yodel, Freenet, and Mixmaster be good enough to keep the 
TLA's from shutting the system down? 
Why don't you try it and report back? I will be on freenet soon as the rush 
dies down for the latest release.I am good for a few yodels a week.
There's no downside if you want to be a operation soft drill martyr like 
me.I actually think conspiratorial APster is attractive to extremely few 
twisted individuals,Kung Fu movie affectionado's and Mooks like Mongo.
Go with the (open) source Luke. The soft drill distro. Who do you want to 
kill today?
In honor of absent friend JB,I renominate Saddam as that was his first 
example of an reasonable prediction.(my 2$) Better wager,wager,wager than 
war,war,war.
www.stiffs.com
Hire Sandline by subscription.
http://www.primitivism.com/assassination.htm
If we find negligence on the side of any person or institution...
http://www.halfbakery.com/idea/Public_20Subscription_20Assassination
... Public Subscription Assassination .Assassins sans Frontiers.
Share Jims fate for world peace...like the fat goon in 'Nico,above the law,
He can't kill us all.
Assassination politics* is also called Predator Drone* and hellfire Missile*

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Dute-y calls.If you can't trust the fix,what can you trust?

Dute Decision Expected Today
Will Cincinnati's Jennifer Dute spend another Thanksgiving holiday behind 
bars? That's for a panel of three judges to decide. Dute, a Cincinnati 
housewife was convicted in October of four counts of pandering obscenity, 
was sentenced today to one year in prison.
Presiding Hamilton County Common Pleas Judge Patrick Hang 'Em High 
Dinkelacker, in handing down the decision, said he was personally 
repulsed by the sexually explicit videos Mrs. Dute was convicted of 
illegally selling within county limits. Good thing Dinkelacker isn't on the 
panel. Or is the spirit of the fix in? After all, this is Cincinnati, a 
city that would sue its own football team. It could still go either way 
feels Alan Dute, Jennifer's husband.
Alan Dute: The appeals court is looking at the issue today and I'm waiting 
for a call from my attorney. A three-judge panel is looking at whether she 
should be released pending appeal of the case. There was a motion filed by 
Jennifer's attorneys to the court of appeals arguing that that should be 
the case. They are supposed to come to a decision on that today. Then the 
appeal of the whole case is a separate issue and will probably be somewhere 
six months down the road. There will be an appeal of the case. There's a 
possibility that will deny her release pending the appeal. But given the 
fact that it's a fifth degree felony, a non-violent crime and a fifth 
degree felony that carries with it the presumption of no jail time, I don't 
see how they can see no unless the fix is in. And we know the fix was in on 
the regular case.

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recourse because the U.S. government sanctioned it.
That nightmare could become a reality if Hollywood executives get their 
way. A bill introduced into the House of Representatives would allow 
copyright owners to legally hack into peer-to-peer networks and disable PCs 
used for illicit file trading.
The measure would dramatically rewrite federal law to permit nearly 
unchecked electronic disruptions if a copyright holder has a reasonable 
basis to believe that piracy is occurring. The bill would immunize groups 
such as the Motion Picture Association of America and the Recording 
Industry Association of America from all state and federal laws if they 
disable, block or otherwise impair a publicly accessible peer-to-peer 
file-trading network.
The bill doesn't specify what techniques, such as viruses, worms, 
denial-of-service attacks and domain name hijacking, would be permissible. 
It does say that a copyright hacker should not delete files, but it limits 
the right of anyone subject to an intrusion to sue if files are 
accidentally erased.
That's just the tip of the entertainment industry's anti-piracy push. A 
lawyer for the MPAA said we could also expect a new bill soon to curtail 
the piracy of digital TV broadcasts. Other proposals likely will seek to 
limit piracy by outlawing future components that receive digital TV 
broadcasts unless they follow anti-copying standards.
Future hardware and software would treat digital television differently if 
it were designated as copy-protected, preventing people from saving 
multiple copies or uploading them. Another standard would, in industry 
jargon, plug the analog hole by embedding watermarks in broadcasts and 
limiting the redistribution of broadcasts with those hidden watermarks. 
Plug the Analog hole? Where are these log cabin republicans coming from?

HELP ME AND MY FAMILY!

2002-11-16 Thread Samuel Savimbi

Dear FRIEND,

This letter may come to you as a surprise due to the fact that we have not yet 
met,but it shouldnot,since we are determined to get what rightly belongs to us 
anyhow,but soon when every thing goes according to plan.The message could be 
strange but reality will definitely dawn on you,if you pay some attention to 
it's content.I would'nt have notified you but for the sake of your integrity and 
goodwill.Please accept my sincere apologies.In bringing this message to you, I 
have to say that I have no intentions of causing you any personal pains or 
discomfort.
I am Mr.Samuel Savimbi, son of the late rebel leader Jonas Savimbi of Angola who 
was killed on the 22nd of february 2002.We are desperately looking for a 
trustworthy person to assist us in this confidential business.My late father, 
Jonas Savimbi deposited huge sums of money realised from the sale ofdiamonds and 
other precious stones /metals in different banks in Europe.My father is 
presently no more,and the movement of his family members (including me) is 
highly restricted.We are forbidden to either travel abroad or out of our 
immediate localities.Presently,the money realised from those sales amounting to 
US$25,500,000.00(TWENTY-FIVE MILLION,FIVE HUNDRED THOUSAND DOLLARS), which my 
father realised,and was transfered to Netherlands,is safe in a security firm 
over there. Before you can get access to it you have to be given the password 
and the Personal identification numbers (PIN No:)of theconsignment deposited.I 
am therefore soliciting your help to have this money collected by you and 
transfered into your account, as we would give you the neccesary documentations 
to facilitate your collection of the consignment personally in Amsterdam, before 
the government gets wind of this arrangement.You know my father was a rebel 
leader in his life time before his death.
My reason for doing this is because it will be difficult for the Angolan 
Government to trace my father's money to an individual's account,especially when 
such an individual bears no blood relationship with us,I have decided to keep 
that money for myfamily's use. Presently the money is still in that Security 
Company in the Netherlands.
I am currently and temporarily living in Luanda with my family seeking for my 
refugeestatus,moreover the political climate in Angola at the moment is very 
tense,sensitive and unstable.With this password and informations that we will 
give you,together with the Power of Attorney,you will then proceed to the 
security firm,and these will facilitate your collection of the consignment.You 
have to proceed
personally to Netherlands where after fulfiling their requirements 
US$25,500,000.00 will be released to you in the two large trunk boxes that it 
was deposited in,after which we may likely ask you to come over with some money 
for us to run away from here at least for now into one of these European 
countries. You can have the fund transferred into any account that suits you 
after your personal collection of the consignment,until further instructions are 
given.

***PLEASE YOUR CONFIDENTIALITY IN THIS TRANSACTION IS HIGHLY
REQUIRED.

Thank you very much for your time and understanding.

Yours sincerely,

Mr.SAMUEL SAVIMB

HELP ME AND MY FAMILY!

2002-11-16 Thread Samuel Savimbi

Dear FRIEND,

This letter may come to you as a surprise due to the fact that we have not yet 
met,but it shouldnot,since we are determined to get what rightly belongs to us 
anyhow,but soon when every thing goes according to plan.The message could be 
strange but reality will definitely dawn on you,if you pay some attention to 
it's content.I would'nt have notified you but for the sake of your integrity and 
goodwill.Please accept my sincere apologies.In bringing this message to you, I 
have to say that I have no intentions of causing you any personal pains or 
discomfort.
I am Mr.Samuel Savimbi, son of the late rebel leader Jonas Savimbi of Angola who 
was killed on the 22nd of february 2002.We are desperately looking for a 
trustworthy person to assist us in this confidential business.My late father, 
Jonas Savimbi deposited huge sums of money realised from the sale ofdiamonds and 
other precious stones /metals in different banks in Europe.My father is 
presently no more,and the movement of his family members (including me) is 
highly restricted.We are forbidden to either travel abroad or out of our 
immediate localities.Presently,the money realised from those sales amounting to 
US$25,500,000.00(TWENTY-FIVE MILLION,FIVE HUNDRED THOUSAND DOLLARS), which my 
father realised,and was transfered to Netherlands,is safe in a security firm 
over there. Before you can get access to it you have to be given the password 
and the Personal identification numbers (PIN No:)of theconsignment deposited.I 
am therefore soliciting your help to have this money collected by you and 
transfered into your account, as we would give you the neccesary documentations 
to facilitate your collection of the consignment personally in Amsterdam, before 
the government gets wind of this arrangement.You know my father was a rebel 
leader in his life time before his death.
My reason for doing this is because it will be difficult for the Angolan 
Government to trace my father's money to an individual's account,especially when 
such an individual bears no blood relationship with us,I have decided to keep 
that money for myfamily's use. Presently the money is still in that Security 
Company in the Netherlands.
I am currently and temporarily living in Luanda with my family seeking for my 
refugeestatus,moreover the political climate in Angola at the moment is very 
tense,sensitive and unstable.With this password and informations that we will 
give you,together with the Power of Attorney,you will then proceed to the 
security firm,and these will facilitate your collection of the consignment.You 
have to proceed
personally to Netherlands where after fulfiling their requirements 
US$25,500,000.00 will be released to you in the two large trunk boxes that it 
was deposited in,after which we may likely ask you to come over with some money 
for us to run away from here at least for now into one of these European 
countries. You can have the fund transferred into any account that suits you 
after your personal collection of the consignment,until further instructions are 
given.

***PLEASE YOUR CONFIDENTIALITY IN THIS TRANSACTION IS HIGHLY
REQUIRED.

Thank you very much for your time and understanding.

Yours sincerely,

Mr.SAMUEL SAVIMB

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Strategic importance of European ports in US military deployment against Iraq
by Mischa van Herck 12:31pm Thu Nov 14 '02

The main European harbours are set to play a vital role in the war 
preparations against Iraq. They can only be 'replaced' at a very high cost. 
Its is clear that without at least the passive collaboration of Belgium and 
Europe a war against Iraq would be impossible. The ports of Northern Europe 
will be filled with military equipment, supplies and ammunition.
'Victory is the beautiful bright coloured flower. Transport is the stem 
without which it could never have blossomed'

(Winston Churchill)

On the August 17 and 18, 1990, the First Division Ready Brigade (DRB) of 
the 101 Airborne Division of the US army was sent in all urgency to Saudi 
Arabia to discourage an invasion by Iraq. This logistic movement included 
2742 soldiers, 117 helicopters and 123 pallets of hardware with the help of 
heavy C-5 and C-141 Air Force planes.

However, the movement involved in the Desert Storm Operation obviously 
dwarfed what at the time was a seemingly impressive transport movement. 
Rapid transport-ships of the US navy and ships of the Ready Reserve Fleet 
carried more than 2000 tanks, 2200 other armoured vehicles, 1000 
helicopters and many hundreds of different pieces of mobile artillery to 
the Persian Gulf. Roughly 85 percent of ammunition was transported by sea. 
And an important part of that US and British military transportation went 
through the European ports.

Military logistics of the 21ste century

Lieutenant General Roger G. Thompson of the United States Transportation 
Command expressed himself in lyrical terms on the logistic efforts of the 
Europeans during the Gulf War. In his speech at the Belgian port of Antwerp 
on April 27 1999 he declared: you in Europe supported this massive 
transportation effort in so many ways: bus companies delivered our troops 
to airfields; the ports of Northern Europe were filled with military 
equipment, supplies and ammunition; the Rhine river became a water highway 
for thousands of items of rolling stock; railroads contributed their 
capability; because we had so many of our own trucks either fully utilised 
or sent to Saudi Arabia, the armies of Holland, France, Belgium and Great 
Britain offered their truck units to assist; border clearance procedures 
were streamlined to allow our convoys and trains to pass more rapidly; 
airports and airlines also contributed;

The speed and the scope of military deployment are of crucial importance in 
limiting human and material losses and in deciding a victorious military 
outcome. Hence the demand for an enquiry by the American Congress to 
determine the logistic needs for the US army in the 21st century. This 
'Mobility Requirements Study' (MRS) advised the construction of - initially 
20 but later reduced to 19 - supplementary logistics ships. Those ships are 
called 'Large Medium Speed Roll-On/Roll-Off Ships' (LSMR). Eight of those 
ships are used in 'prepositioning operations'. This is a permanent presence 
at sea of great quantities of military equipment near to potential or acute 
areas of conflict (the Army Prepositioning Afloat programme or APA). The 
task of the other eleven ships consists in the rapid transportation of 
reinforcements from the United States of America or from the Army War 
Reserves (AWR) situated outside US territory. One of these AWRs - called 
AWR 2 - is located in Europe and spreads over six localities namely: 
Brunssum, Coevorden, Eygeslhoven and Vriezenveen in the Netherlands, 
Bettembourg in Luxemburg and Zutendaal in Belgium. It is no accident that 
these are located near the two main North European ports, Antwerp and 
Rotterdam.

Apart from the LSMR and the ships for the transportation of troops 
pertaining to the US Marine Corps, we want also to stress the importance of 
the ships of the National Defence Reserves Fleet (NDRF) and of the Ready 
Reserve Force. Those are former commercial transport ships which have been 
kept in reserve in the US or overseas and which can become operational 
within four to one hundred and twenty days in moments of crisis.

The US Army also contracted American merchant ship owners to guarantee its 
logistical needs in 'peacetime' (Voluntary Intermodal Sealift Agreement or 
VISA). Since the war preparations against Iraq the US Army has approached 
the international chartered market. Lloyd's of London announced four times 
at the beginning of August 2002 the intentions of the US Navy to charter a 
big roll-on-roll-off ship. It was clearly specified that those ships had to 
enter three ports in North and South West Europe.

The North Atlantic sea-lane is the most important logistical route for 
military deployment in the Middle East. This route includes the ports of 
Antwerp, Rotterdam and Bremerhaven (Germany). An American strategic study 
mentions the following:

'Strategic

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Homeland Security.

Since terrorism is ideologically based, anyone is a potential terrorist. 
The threat of terrorism is an inescapable reality of life in the 21st 
century. It is a permanent condition to which America and the entire world 
must adjust. The need for homeland security, therefore, is not tied to any 
specific terrorist threat.
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Many people say the intelligence agencies should have known about Sept. 11 
before it happened.
Some go further and contend the intelligence bureaucracy should always know 
in advance when something is going to happen. Analysts call this predictive 
capability an Indications and Warning system, although no one has ever 
come close to building anything this broad in scope.
Some might also say that's a laughable idea. But as a former intelligence 
analyst and information retrieval expert, I thought it might be interesting 
to spec one out for you. You never know until you try, right?
Connect existing government and commercial databases.
Let's start by connecting most of the large government databases that 
contain information on domestic activity, including those containing 
customs, immigration, law enforcement, military and Internal Revenue 
Service files. The network would eventually include state and local tax 
rolls, political contribution lists, and educational and voting records.
In the short term, the government would build software that translates 
queries between the various databases (since its current information 
systems are the digital version of the Tower of Babel). A permanent 
solution would be to create rigid requirements forcing all agencies and 
contractors to converge around a common set of standards for data storage 
and access.
Contractors would eventually write translation gateways into many 
commercial databases so that searches against the government database could 
be seamlessly integrated. Some of these commercial databases would be 
straightforward, containing data such as credit reports, phone and other 
utility bills, and transportation/reservation information from airlines, 
rental car companies and hotels. Others might be more subjective and 
involve human appraisals such as profiled direct-marketing lists, school 
guidance counselor records and comments made by utility or government workers.
Match them to commercial information such as credit reports (using social 
security numbers).
Initially, translation systems would be data-matched against government 
records. The government would eventually mandate that all commercial 
databases include a field for social security numbers. This would likely 
result in legislation making it a crime for consumers to give false social 
security numbers to companies. It might even require these companies to 
deny service to the curmudgeons who still refused to provide that information.
This system would eventually access tens of millions of real-time sensors 
for up-to-the-minute threat assessment.
Add tens of millions of cameras and other sensors.
This system would eventually access tens of millions of real-time sensors 
for up-to-the-minute threat assessment. This process of adding sensors is 
already underway at several different agencies. These sensors include 
visual cameras at various public places, such as storefronts, street 
corners, highways, toll roads and airports. Some already rely on 
experimental face-recognition software. Other sensors would include 
identification devices at checkpoints in public buildings and eventually in 
all transportation terminals.
Require national ID cards and tie them to a biometric database.
These devices would require some sort of universal identification card that 
carries biometric information. The biometrics could include fingerprints, 
retinal scans, face measurements, blood types and DNA. (The military is 
already collecting DNA information to facilitate body identification.) Of 
course, this would require a national ID card and, even more importantly, a 
universal database of biometric information; otherwise it would be useless. 
The easiest way to build up this database is to collect the information 
from schoolchildren. An alternative method would be to link the biometric 
collection to draft registration for citizens and to visa issuance for 
resident aliens.
Track phone calls and e-mail, and generate diagrams of social groupings 
using traffic analysis.
An important element of a predictive system would be the gathering of 
information on social interactions and on networks of individuals who 
communicate as a group. Intelligence analysts refer to this process as 
traffic analysis. Expansion of the Carnivore/DCS-1000 program to 
encompass most Internet-based communications, used together with records of 
phone

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Re: The End of the Golden Age of Crypto

2002-11-16 Thread André Esteves

On Friday 15 November 2002 00:41, you wrote:
 Indeed, I've heard the same. One could argue that for someone to believe in
 something (religion) so intensely as to shun all moral explanation against
 this hypothesis and to persist in those beliefs without any proof is akin
 to schizophrenia. But that's a whole new kettle of fish.
 ~SAM

It all depends on the definition of sane...

As usually it's a religious force who imposes truth, the faithfull will 
remain normal ... :)

Manipulating the definion of normality is dangerous and only begets the 
temptation to use it to use other people...

We have examples of self-proclaimed atheist societies where this was used for 
political manipulation: psiquiatric institutions in the former USRR, or even 
some private institutions in USA that would do that for a hire.. (the case of 
the frontal lobotomy of Getty's son, ordered by Getty himself (wich probably 
was age demented by that time, but has people obey to anyone who has a fat 
checkbook...) 

We could also invoke memetics and say that religion is like a mental disorder 
that spreads through a population... A meme infecting minds as they are 
vulnerable to certain statements, emotions and tautological arguments.

My experience in a former religious life, is that the mentally ill are drawn 
to the religious life... There's even a rare neurological sickness (caused by 
accidents and brain defects in certain parts of the brain ) in wich the 
patient has trancesdental  experiences and direct contact with god.

Interestingly, you can reproduce that experience with some mushrooms or roots 
from the amazon florest, there's even a cult in Brazil that uses them...
(more incredible, is that its alucinations are individualistic... someone 
that believes in buda, will feel Buda... Jeovah, etc... there are people 
(usually atheists) that say they talked with aliens and space ghosts :)))
This drug will even eliminate addictions.. There are heroin, tabaco, etc 
addicts that will have their addictions eliminated after a section with the 
so called sacrament...

Wich is very, very interesting for the god in our brains seems to clear 
our deepest fears and pain. 

Yours faithfully,

Andri Esteves

Re: The End of the Golden Age of Crypto

2002-11-16 Thread Morlock Elloi

 It's a state of mind wich  can only be compared with mental ilness...
 (I've read that there are even some neurological similarities between the 
 faithful and the mentaly ill)

The belief (faith) center is somewhere in the frontal cortex and that mutation
was essential for development of the civilisation as we know it, which
basically boils down to brainwashing believers into beating the shit out of
nonbelievers (and these, being independent individuals, never managed to
properly organise to resist), which is evolutionary sustainable (when the shit
gets beaten out of you it takes your mind of sex.)

So, technically speaking, it's more specialisation than mental illness.


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Re: Poker

2002-11-16 Thread Nomen Nescio

James Donald writes:
 In principle it should be possible to create poker playing
 software where the server cannot cheat, but it is not obvious
 to me how this can be done.

 Does anyone know of a cheat proof algorithm?

Sure, there are any number of poker algoerithms which prevent the server
from cheating.  See the many literature references on Mental Poker.
One recent protocol is Kurosawa et al, IEICE Transactions on Fundamentals,
Vol E00-A, No. 1, January 1997.  It is available from citeseer.

The problem is that although you can stop the server from cheating, you
can't stop players from colluding outside the scope of the game protocols.
Two players could communicate by phone, revealing their cards to each
other and influencing the betting.  This kind of cheating can't be
prevented, and it can be significant in an n-player poker game.

Re: The End of the Golden Age of Crypto

2002-11-16 Thread André Esteves

On Friday 15 November 2002 01:43, Sam Ritchie wrote:
 Actually, hehe, I've made this comparison before, of religion to a disease.
 (first off, let me clarify that I have nothing against anyone's religion!
 I'm looking at this from an outsider's perspective, and harbor no biases.)
 The torah, for example, has very strict guidelines in it for reproduction
 of the book, and strongly encourages its followers to go out and make
 copies. As you mention, religion can act as a virus of sorts, infecting
 its carrier and urging it to carry the virus to others.

The problem with that kind of religious meme is that the original book will 
refer to a certain time and society.. wich as time passes becomes more and 
more idyossincratic and out-of-sync...

The usual answer to that problem from a religious comunity is to maintain the 
original lifestyle in wich the memetic code was written has to give its 
followers a sense of right in reality and truthnes in the written word.
You can see for example the orthodox jews.

The other ways are:
1) a prophet in direct contact with the god.
Example: Any prophetic sect or reformed religion with a  charismatic leader
2) a church wich has a outside transcription factor that enables an 
adaptation to reality.
Example: The catholic church, wich has theology as a transcription factor.
And the church burocracy to define wich is accepted world-view, justified by 
theology.
(Every 7 years, they revise the list of sins, for example...:

These types are not exclusive and usualy evolve from one to other...

They all are kind of of an attempt to control the virus, wich is very 
interesting in itself.. Could we say that organised religion is not itself a 
disease, but an attempt to control disease?? (to someone's profit of 
course... : )

  
  My experience in a former religious life, is that the mentally ill are
  drawn to the religious life... There's even a rare neurological sickness
  (caused by accidents and brain defects in certain parts of the brain ) in
  wich the patient has trancesdental  experiences and direct contact with
  god. 

 Ooh, and then there's the apparent tongue of Babel. Glossolalia, or
 speaking in tongues, is sometimes said to be the human core language.

I have read Snow Crash, too. ;)

Myself I think that glossofalia is related to the core language, but it's not 
THE human core language...

When 7th day Adventist or any rapture group start speaking in tongues they 
are usually in a kind of seizure... I think that it's more akin to the 
universal gramatic of Chomsky let loose and completely haywire.

Like if you were working with a voice processor and it's phonem library got 
all mixed up... (The universal gramatic sets the POTENTIAL languages 
available to humans, so glossofalic languages sound like languages and even 
have kind of gramatical order but are not languages.. just attempts to speak 
with the wrong working-level of the brain)

  Interestingly, you can reproduce that experience with some mushrooms or
  roots from the amazon florest, there's even a cult in Brazil that uses
  them... (more incredible, is that its alucinations are individualistic...
  someone that believes in buda, will feel Buda... Jeovah, etc... there are
  people (usually atheists) that say they talked with aliens and space
  ghosts :))) This drug will even eliminate addictions.. There are heroin,
  tabaco, etc addicts that will have their addictions eliminated after a
  section with the so called sacrament...
  

 Weird.

Very... It's like the drug that was used by a atheist/eastern mistic society 
in the book The island by Aldous Huxley (his last book).

And you can see that tibetan budism, especialy the dalay lama has seen also 
the potencial children of joining science and eastern misticism.

  Wich is very, very interesting for the god in our brains seems to
  clear our deepest fears and pain.

 Have there ever been studies done on the actual, physical effects of
 religion on the human brain? It definitely seems valid to say that
 SOMETHING occurs within the mind when one assumes a faith, something
 which would definitely be worthwhile to look into... Anyone know?
 ~SAM

Only on meditation of buddist monks, and during prayer. There as not been to 
knowledge any study on before/after converted persons... And I think there 
would be no religion that would accept doing that kind of study...
(For obvious reasons...)

~AIFE aka Stackbit

What do you call someone who leads assaults on your embassies?

The leader of China,thats Hu.
It's gettin' dang hard to tell the cowboys from the goddam Injuns eh pards?
What with the goddang limies teamin' up with Al Qaida in Af-Ree-Car and 
Turkey's gon' green.Hell even Raz-Putin's been threatnin' to release the 
Hanssen fah-ells loose.
The poxy C/punks reckon they got some secret dang weapon,like a dang 
gatling,I guess.Shit knows what'll happen when we poke a stick in the 
middle east.
Now We Bang Yu or Who Flung Dung or what-eveh the heck his name is,is 
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Re: The End of the Golden Age of Crypto

2002-11-16 Thread Sam Ritchie

 From: Andri Isidoro Fernandes Esteves [EMAIL PROTECTED]
 Date: Thu, 14 Nov 2002 14:31:41 +
 To: Mike Rosing [EMAIL PROTECTED]
 Cc: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
 Subject: Re: The End of the Golden Age of Crypto

 On Thursday 14 November 2002 03:50, you wrote:
 On Wed, 13 Nov 2002, Sam Ritchie wrote:
 That's the whole deal with the bible, and its various internal
 contradictions. If anything can be proven true in the bible, then there's
 no room for faith anymore, which nullifies religious beliefs; and if
 anything can be proven false, then there's no god, and religion is
 crushed under the heel of reason. Hurrah, Enlightenment!
 ~SAM

 Don't bet on it.  I was in a discussion group a week or so ago and one
 lady who is super devout (of some christian sect, I'm not really sure
 which one) claimed that she was always testing her faith every day.
 It really shook me up because I have faith in testing.  Religion and
 reason are not in the same universe!

 My favorite response on the subject of god is I have no need of that
 hypothisis.  I forget who it's attributed to, but I think it was from the
 late 1800's.

 Patience, persistence, truth,
 Dr. mike

 The religious person is always battling against reality wich with a minimum
 of inteligence from the observer always bring doubts on the truth of his
 faith.

 It's a state of mind wich  can only be compared with mental ilness...
 (I've read that there are even some neurological similarities between the
 faithful and the mentaly ill)

Indeed, I've heard the same. One could argue that for someone to believe in
something (religion) so intensely as to shun all moral explanation against
this hypothesis and to persist in those beliefs without any proof is akin to
schizophrenia. But that's a whole new kettle of fish.
~SAM
 The author of that statement: I have no need of that hipotheses was
 Laplace, french mathematician on answering Napoleon's question in why is book
 on newtonian mechanics didn't call for god.

 Andri Esteves

Re: The End of the Golden Age of Crypto

2002-11-16 Thread Sam Ritchie

 From: Andri Esteves [EMAIL PROTECTED]
 Date: Fri, 15 Nov 2002 01:29:26 +
 To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
 Subject: Re: The End of the Golden Age of Crypto

 On Friday 15 November 2002 00:41, you wrote:
 Indeed, I've heard the same. One could argue that for someone to believe in
 something (religion) so intensely as to shun all moral explanation against
 this hypothesis and to persist in those beliefs without any proof is akin
 to schizophrenia. But that's a whole new kettle of fish.
 ~SAM

 It all depends on the definition of sane...

 As usually it's a religious force who imposes truth, the faithfull will
 remain normal ... :)

 Manipulating the definion of normality is dangerous and only begets the
 temptation to use it to use other people...

 We have examples of self-proclaimed atheist societies where this was used for
 political manipulation: psiquiatric institutions in the former USRR, or even
 some private institutions in USA that would do that for a hire.. (the case of
 the frontal lobotomy of Getty's son, ordered by Getty himself (wich probably
 was age demented by that time, but has people obey to anyone who has a fat
 checkbook...) 

 We could also invoke memetics and say that religion is like a mental disorder
 that spreads through a population... A meme infecting minds as they are
 vulnerable to certain statements, emotions and tautological arguments.

Actually, hehe, I've made this comparison before, of religion to a disease.
(first off, let me clarify that I have nothing against anyone's religion!
I'm looking at this from an outsider's perspective, and harbor no biases.)
The torah, for example, has very strict guidelines in it for reproduction of
the book, and strongly encourages its followers to go out and make copies.
As you mention, religion can act as a virus of sorts, infecting its
carrier and urging it to carry the virus to others.

 My experience in a former religious life, is that the mentally ill are drawn
 to the religious life... There's even a rare neurological sickness (caused by
 accidents and brain defects in certain parts of the brain ) in wich the
 patient has trancesdental  experiences and direct contact with god.

Ooh, and then there's the apparent tongue of Babel. Glossolalia, or speaking
in tongues, is sometimes said to be the human core language.

 Interestingly, you can reproduce that experience with some mushrooms or roots
 from the amazon florest, there's even a cult in Brazil that uses them...
 (more incredible, is that its alucinations are individualistic... someone
 that believes in buda, will feel Buda... Jeovah, etc... there are people
 (usually atheists) that say they talked with aliens and space ghosts :)))
 This drug will even eliminate addictions.. There are heroin, tabaco, etc
 addicts that will have their addictions eliminated after a section with the
 so called sacrament...

Weird.

 Wich is very, very interesting for the god in our brains seems to clear
 our deepest fears and pain.

Have there ever been studies done on the actual, physical effects of
religion on the human brain? It definitely seems valid to say that SOMETHING
occurs within the mind when one assumes a faith, something which would
definitely be worthwhile to look into... Anyone know?
~SAM 
 Yours faithfully,

 Andri Esteves

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When LaRouche meet's Mahathir it can only mean big trouble in little crawford.
Gold Dinar: An Economic and Strategic Response to Chaos
uploaded 16 Nov 2002
Gold Dinar: An Economic and Strategic
Response to Chaos
Mounting concern around the world that the Bush Administration is madly 
threatening to drive the world into perpetual warfare, while doing nothing 
to address the global financial-economic collapse, has led to the 
introduction of a number of defensive measures by nations and groups of 
nations acting in concert. One such measure is the proposal for creation of 
a Gold Dinar, intended as a replacement for the dollar as the currency of 
trade among nations. With a war against Iraq looming on the horizon, and 
U.S. threats against Saudi Arabia escalating in the establishment's 
institutions and publications, it is increasingly probable that the Gold 
Dinar policy will be implemented in the near term, among certain Islamic 
nations at first, and potentially expanding to include non-Islamic nations.
Malaysian Prime Minister Dr. Mahathir bin Mohamad hosted a two-day seminar 
in Kuala Lumpur on Oct. 22-23, called The Gold Dinar in Multilateral 
Trade. This was the second major conference in Malaysia on this subject 
involving representatives of members of the Organization of Islamic 
Conference (OIC). The first conference, Stable and Just Global Monetary 
Systems, held in August, announced that the Gold Dinar would be 
implemented as a bilateral arrangement between Malaysia and certain 
unspecified partners by the middle of 2003, and extended to multilateral 
agreements over time. At the more recent seminar, Bijan Latif, the head of 
Iran's Central Bank, offered to support the establishment of a secretariat 
in Malaysia to coordinate the development of the Gold Dinar policy. Dr. 
Mahathir supported the idea.
Not a Gold Standard
In his speech to the October seminar, Dr. Mahathir made clear that the 
proposal was not intended to establish a gold standard (as put forth by 
fixated gold bugs around the world), but to return to the Bretton Woods 
policy of a gold-reserve system, which was destroyed when President Richard 
Nixon removed the dollar from a fixed peg to gold on Aug. 15, 1971, 
allowing currencies to float at the whim of speculators. Dr. Mahathir 
reminded the participants, that after World War II, when the Allied 
nations met in Bretton Woods to determine the principle for the rate of 
exchange of international currencies in order to facilitate trade, they 
decided to use gold as a standard. This worked until 1971, when the 
market claimed that it could determine the exchange rate through the demand 
and supply of currencies freely traded in the market. But the profiteers 
moved in and manipulated the value of the currencies so that there was 
chaos in terms of exchange rates of currencies.
The Gold Dinar policy intends to return to the former, superior policy. Tan 
Sri Nor Mohamed Yakcop, an economic adviser to Dr. Mahathir, explained the 
system at the August conference as follows, using trade between Malaysia 
and Saudi Arabia as an example: Malaysian exporters will be paid in 
ringgit [the Malaysian currency] by Bank Negara [the Malaysian National 
Bank] on the due date of exports Similarly, the importers will pay Bank 
Negara the ringgit equivalent of their imports. The Saudi Central Bank will 
do the same for its exports and imports. Say, at the end of a three-month 
cycle, the total exports from Malaysia to Saudi Arabia is 2 million Gold 
Dinar, and the total exports of Saudi Arabia to Malaysia is 1.8 million 
Gold Dinar. Therefore, for that particular three-month cycle, the Saudi 
Central Bank will pay Bank Negara 0.2 million Gold Dinar. The actual 
payment can be by way of the Saudis transferring 0.2 million ounces of gold 
in its custodian's account in the Bank of England in London, to Bank 
Negara's account with the same custodian. The important point to note here, 
is that the relatively small amount of 0.2 million Gold Dinar is able to 
support a total trade value of 3.8 million Gold Dinar.
The weakness of the system as it is now proposed is that gold, too, is 
subject to speculation, especially if it is pegged to a currency such as 
the dollar, which is heading for a plunge due to the collapse of the U.S. 
banking system. Dr. Mahathir is aware of the problem: Gold prices can also 
be manipulated, he said, but not as easily as the U.S. dollar or other 
currencies Speculation and manipulation will not be as easy as when 
local currency is valued against the U.S. dollar.
EIR Founding Editor Lyndon LaRouche has proposed that the necessary return 
to a Bretton Woods system of fixed exchange rates must also peg currencies 
to a basket of commodities rather than to gold, as a means of basing 
currency valuations to the real economy, rather than tying the real economy 
to a speculative entity (see Documentation). Although the Gold Dinar 
proposal assigns a value to gold in terms

Re: OPPOSE THE WAR! We are going to ruin Iraq to get the oil. Who's ne

[A edited copy of a piece I published Oct 4th in the International 
Relations list.  steve]

I think that most Western nation leadership will eventually support the U.S.'
military action against Iraq. However, they may do so not because they
necessarily think Bush is right that Saddam's weapons are a threat to the
West, but because it is a politically acceptable pretext concealing longer
term economic and geo-political issues--ones they do not wish to share at
this time with their citizens.

Forked Tongue
The war with Iran, a heavily militarized powerful client state of the U.S.
under the dictatorship of the Shah, left Iraq bankrupt. Faced with
rebuilding its infrastructure destroyed in the war, Iraq needed money. No
country would loan it money except the U.S. Borrowing money from the U.S.
made Iraq its client state. A client State could take no action without the
permission of the more powerful nation.

In 1990 Saddam Hussein complained to our State Department about Kuwait's
illegal removal of Iraqi underground oil by slant drilling across the
border into Iraq. This had continued for years, but now Iraq needed the
money that this oil would supply to pay its bills. Saddam considered a war
with Kuwait but needed Washington's permission.

 From Ramsey Clark's The Fire This Time (1994, Thunder's Mouth Press),
pp.23-24:
On July 25 - the day after the United States announced Gulf exercises with
the UAE, while Iraqi troops were massing on the Kuwaiti border, and as
General Schwarzkopf readied CENTCOM for war against Iraq - Saddam Hussein
summoned Ambassador [April] Glaspie to his office in what seems to have
been a final attempt to clarify Washington's position on his dispute with
Kuwait. Glaspie assured him: We have no opinion on Arab-Arab conflicts,
like your border disagreement with Kuwait [Secretary of State] James
Baker has directed our official spokesmen to emphasize this instruction.
[83] She was expresssing official policy. On July 24, she had received a
cable from the State Department explicitly directing her to reiterate that
the United States had no position on Arab-Arab conflicts. [84]

After the war, on March 21, 1991, Glaspie denied this version of her
meeting with Hussein. She testified to the Senate Foreign Relations
Committee that she had repeatedly warned Hussein that the United States
would not tolerate Iraq's use of violence to settle the dispute with
Kuwait. She said Hussein had been too stupid to understand how the Unite
States would react. [85]

But in July 1991, Glaspie's cables to the State Department describing the
meeting were finally released to the Senate. The cable showed that her
Senate testimony was largely fabricated, and that the version released by
Iraq was accurate. [86]

On July 12, 1991 Committee Chairman Senator Claiborne Pell wrote an angry
letter to Secretary of State James Baker demanding an explanation for the
inconsistencies between Glaspie's testimony and the cable. Senator Alan
Cranston charged that Glaspie had deliberately misled Congress about her
role in the Gulf War. [the book continues with Assistant Secretary of State
Kelly telling a Congressional committee on 31 July that the US had no
treaty obligations to defend Kuwait]

Follow the Oil (eh, Money)
Its seems somewhat odd that our State Department would tell Iraq go ahead,
we don't care and shortly thereafter launch one of the largest military
actions in this century. Was this simple a case of crossed wires (pretty
hard to believe) or intentional, part of a long-term U.S. or Western
strategy to provide cover for future unilateral actions to assure the
unimpeded flow of oil? Its critical that Americans realize that Bush,
Chenney and some senior advisors come from the petroleum
industry. Whatever one may think of their politics, they are no fools when
it comes to oil.

Based on analysis of oil exploration records, Dr. M. King Hubbert developed
a model and predicted in 1956 that the USA would peak in its production of
oil around 1970. He was discouraged from disclosing this foreboding news by
his employers. He felt morally obligated to disclose the truth, and yet
when he did so, his peers laughed at him. As we all know, he was right on,
and the USA and the world suffered the first oil shock soon after the USA
reached the peak he predicted.

If oil production peaks are key economic turning points then the peak in
world production should be of keen interests to all economists; to all
citizens of developed countries. Dr. C.J.Campbell, Oil Depletion -
Updated Through 2001, http://www.hubbertpeak.com/campbell/update2002.htm
believes that ...the peak of Conventional oil may have been passed in
2000, the peak of all liquids (e.g., shale oil, etc) comes around 2010,
followed by the peak of all hydrocarbons around 2015. The entry of
deepwater production and growing NGL from gas is seen as critical. If they
come in as forecast, overall oil production need not fall below present
levels for about twenty years.

If,

Re: OPPOSE THE WAR! We are going to ruin Iraq to get the oil. Who's ne

On Thu, Nov 14, 2002 at 05:41:55PM -0500, Steve Furlong wrote:
 On Thursday 14 November 2002 12:16, Harmon Seaver wrote:
 
 It's all relative -- what Dubbya and Asscruft have done to destroy
  freedom in the US is far worse than anything Saddam has done. Iraq
  had no freedom to lose.
 
 So...When Iraqis are tortured to death, it's not really that bad because 
 they're just wogs and don't know any better?

   First of all, do we really *know* that Iraqis are being tortured at all,
other than what Dubbya, et al, and the bullshit mass media tell us? Secondly, it
certainly appears that people (non-POWs and other detainees)  are being tortured
by our military. We know for a fact that political protesters in this country
are tortured with pain holds, capsicum applied directly into the eyes, etc. We
know for a fact that prisoners were tortured, and tortured to death, in Vietnam
by US troops. We know for a fact that US allies and puppets have tortured
massive numbers of people, often to death. So what's new?

 
 
 Dubbya and Asscruft have millions of people in prison for doing
  nothing wrong, only violating their bullshit rules in the War On Some
  Drugs.
 
 I agree that the WoSD is bullshit, but get some historical perspective. 
 The WoSD has been in place for thirty years (Nixon), or for almost a 
 century (vil blacks and hispanics using marijuana to seduce white 
 women). Bush43 and Ashcroft have been in office less than two years, 
 and neither was alive when _Reefer Madness_ came out..
 
I have a pretty good historical perspective. The WOSD was a mere cat and
mouse game 30 years ago. It was Bush Sr. and Klinton who massively escalated it,
and Dubbya/Asscruft have exponentially escalated it -- arrests of medical
marijuana users in wheelchairs, arrests of doctors for prescribing too many
pain meds, attempting to outlaw hemp food products, outlawing GHB (sold in
health food stores for over 30 years, it's in every cell of your body, you can't
live without it, and it's now Schedule 1???). The WOSD is dead or dying in
Canada and much of Europe, but the evil twins are going banzai on it. 

 
  They have killed thousands of innocent Afghans
 
 Thousands of Afghans has been thoroughly debunked. Only the very 
 stupid continue to believe or propagate it.
 

   Really? How many Afghans died in the US bombing and invasion. You mean they
were able to overthrow the Taliban without killing anyone? 


 
 Not that Klinton was any better.
 
 Bubba was much worse. He killed people to distract attention from his 
 crimes. Bush43 at least has a supportable rationale, whether or not you 
 agree with it.

   What rationale -- getting the US military back in the heroin trade? Getting
his Enron buddies some new oilfields? 

 
 
 Now, I am far from a Bush43 supporter. I have serious concerns about his 
 interest in the rights of Americans. But idiots like Harmon Seaver make 
 it more difficult to effectively oppose Bush43 and Asscruft (*) because 
 their supporters need only point to the idiots to discredit all of the 
 opposition.

   And Quislings like Steve Furlong prop up evil men like Dubbya/Asscruft by
justification of their crimes. Supporable rationale my ass. You have serious
concerns -- how pathetic. 


-- 
Harmon Seaver   
CyberShamanix
http://www.cybershamanix.com

War is just a racket ... something that is not what it seems to the
majority of people. Only a small group knows what its about. It is
conducted for the benefit of the very few at the expense of the
masses.  --- Major General Smedley Butler, 1933

Our overriding purpose, from the beginning through to the present
day, has been world domination - that is, to build and maintain the
capacity to coerce everybody else on the planet: nonviolently, if
possible, and violently, if necessary. But the purpose of US foreign
policy of domination is not just to make the rest of the world jump
through hoops; the purpose is to faciliate our exploitation of
resources.
- Ramsey Clark, former US Attorney General
http://www.thesunmagazine.org/bully.html

Re: OPPOSE THE WAR! We are going to ruin Iraq to get the oil. Who's ne

On Thu, Nov 14, 2002 at 11:13:06AM -0500, Mike Diehl wrote:
 Dubbya has only been in office about a year and a half, and in that time, he 
 has destroyed Freedom in this country?  I don't think so.  I'm still able to 
 practice my religion freely. 

   How wonderful for you. Many of us sincerely wish we could practice our
religion freely as well. 


 I can criticize my government and stay out of 
 prison.

   Can you? As long as you do it at home or in your local bar, I suppose. Try
taking it out on the street and getting in their face.

  I don't have soldiers living with/watching me.

   Plenty of pigs watching a lot of us. The fedzis are everywhere these
days. Perhaps you've heard about them infiltrating church groups, demanding the
reading lists from libraries, etc. How do you know they haven't bugged your
house? Your computer? Got Carnivore at your ISP? 


  Saddam is just as 
 bad as most dictators, but let's not confuse the issue; he's still a DICTATOR!

What do you call an unelected president?

 
  Dubbya and Asscruft have millions of people in prison for doing
   nothing wrong, only violating their bullshit rules in the War On Some
   Drugs. 
 
 Hey, the law is posted.  You may not agree with it, but it is the law.

   Fuck that. The Nazis posted a law saying all Jews were illegal. People didn't
agree with it, but it was the law -- right? 

  I 
 wouldn't have agreed with Prohibition, but I would have followed the law 
 while at the same time trying to abolish it. 

 Yup, just following orders, right? 

 Guess what, I have that 
 freedom, still.  Personall, I don't care what you do in the privacy of your 
 own home, but I won't want to drive on the same street, go to work with, or 
 have my child watched, by anyone who is high on some drug.

   You don't use any drugs yourself, of course. Never touch any alcohol or
tobacco, eh?

  If that means 
 smoking dope keeps someone from being imployed, that's not my problem.
 
Yes, I keep hearing this same theme from a lot of fat-cat amerikans -- I
don't care what the gov't does, they aren't bothering me. I don't care if they
read my email. I don't have anything to hide, who cares if they tap all the
phones?


  They have killed thousands of innocent Afghans, and are intent
   on murdering hundreds of thousands of innocent Iraqis just to steal
   their oil. This makes Dubbya a mass-murder far beyond the scale of
   Saddam.
 
 Well, mass-murder is a bit strong.  I believe we are motivated by oil; not 
 arguement there. 

   So it's okay to take what belongs to someone else if your strong enough to do
it, eh? Hmmm, where do you live? Got any nice toys? How much cash do you usually
carry?


 Perhapse Dubbya is looking out for the US's, and his own? 
 best interests.  I'll bet you drive a car and like a warm home, and like that 
 electricity stuff. 

Yup, but I'm making my own biodiesel to run my van and pickup on, and soon
will have a gasifier to produce all the heat and electricity I need from
biomass, mostly waste. But we lived for 18 years with *no* electricity and only
wood for all our heating and cooking, it's no biggy. I don't need or want a drop
of Iraqi oil.

 Well, it all NEEDS OIL!  The average American Sheep would 
 riot in the street if they couldn't drive their SUV to church on sunday.
 
   
You sound pretty much like one of those sheeple. I'll laugh my ass off when
the oil well goes dry. I sincerly hope a lot of those fat ass amerikans who
support the likes of Dubbya starve and freeze to death.


-- 
Harmon Seaver   
CyberShamanix
http://www.cybershamanix.com

War is just a racket ... something that is not what it seems to the
majority of people. Only a small group knows what its about. It is
conducted for the benefit of the very few at the expense of the
masses.  --- Major General Smedley Butler, 1933

Our overriding purpose, from the beginning through to the present
day, has been world domination - that is, to build and maintain the
capacity to coerce everybody else on the planet: nonviolently, if
possible, and violently, if necessary. But the purpose of US foreign
policy of domination is not just to make the rest of the world jump
through hoops; the purpose is to faciliate our exploitation of
resources.
- Ramsey Clark, former US Attorney General
http://www.thesunmagazine.org/bully.html

Re: Yodels, new anonymous e-currency

2002-11-16 Thread Nomen Abditum

James A. Donald wrote:

 The DMT Rand system knows if client X43967 transfers money to client
 X98987

 It also know that client X43967 transferred money to or from a bank
 of America account, rendering client X43967 no longer pseudonymous.

 Similarly for client X98987

That's not what DMT claims.  The description suggests some kind of blinding is used on 
payments between accounts, though I have no idea whether or not this is true:

https://196.40.46.24/dmtext/jog/dmt1.htm

The DMT software system ... 2) will anonymize transactions and account creation 
within the DMT system, so that these activities cannot be observed by other DMT 
customers, by the DMT itself, or by outside parties;

The receiving party will supply the paying party a number to be associated with the 
payment or transfer. The receiving party will then anonymously collect the payment in 
a secure manner that is described later in Part 2 of this article series.)

https://196.40.46.24/dmtext/jog/dmt2.htm

Note that the DMT (which is not looking in the first place) has no idea to whom the 
transfer has been made. The paying and receiving customers may, in fact, be the same 
person. But there is no way to know this.the DMT (which is not looking in the first 
place) has no idea to whom the transfer has been made. The paying and receiving 
customers may, in fact, be the same person. But there is no way to know this.

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Here is the list of papers accepted to Financial Cryptography '03.  In
addition, there will be several invited talks and panels.  A
preliminary program will be available shortly.  For more info, see
www.ifca.ai/fc03.

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List of papers accepted to FC'03

A Micro-Payment Scheme Encouraging Collaboration in Multi-Hop Cellular
Networks
Markus Jakobsson and Jean-Pierre Hubaux and Levente Buttyan

Using Trust Management to Support Transferable Hash-Based
Micropayments
Simon N Foley

Fully Private Auctions in a Constant Number of Rounds
Felix Brandt

Verifiable Secret Sharing for General Access Structures, with
Application to Fully Distributed Proxy Signatures
Javier Herranz and Germ7n S7ez

Cryptanalysis of the OTM signature scheme from FC'02
Jacques Stern and Julien P. Stern

Squealing Euros: Privacy Protection in RFID-Enabled Banknotes
Ari Juels and Ravikanth Pappu

Preventing Tracking and ''Man in the Middle'' Attacks on Bluetooth
Devices
Dennis K8gler

Traversing Hash Chain with Constant Computation
Yaron Sella

Retrofitting Fairness on the Original RSA-Based E-Cash
Shouhuai Xu and Moti Yung

Fault based cryptanalysis of the Advanced Encryption Standard (AES)
Johannes Blmer and Jean-Pierre Seifert

How Much Security is Enough to Stop a Thief?
Stuart E. Schechter and Michael D. Smith

Fair Off-Line e-Cash made easier
Matthieu Gaud and Jacques TraorH

Asynchronous Optimistic Fair Exchange Based on Revocable Item
Holger Vogt

Secure Generalized Vickrey Auction using Homomorphic Encryption
Koutarou Suzuki and Makoto Yokoo

Non-interactive Zero-Sharing with Applications to Private Distributed
Decision Making
Aggelos Kiayias and Moti Yung

Timed Fair Exchange of Arbitrary Signatures
Juan Garay and Carl Pomerance

On the Economics of Anonymity
Alessandro Acquisti and Roger Dingledine and Paul Syverson
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Re: OPPOSE THE WAR! We are going to ruin Iraq to get the oil. Who's ne

2002-11-16 Thread Ken Hirsch

Harmon Seaver wrote:

   I don't see that Saddam is any less moral than Dubbya and Asscruft.

What can you possibly mean by saying this?  You lose all credibility for
real criticism when you utter such inanities.  It's like comparing a
shoplifter with Jeffrey Dahmer.  Either you're ignorant of what Saddam is
about or you have no sense of proportion.

Or maybe I'm just not paying attention.  Was I not watching the news the
night when Bush, after seizing power, marched onto the floors of Congress in
front of cameras and had 21 top officials hauled off for summary execution,
as Saddam did in 1979?  (btw, the U.S. had nothing to do with Saddam taking
power)

Did I miss it when Bush had Colin Powell's brother tortured to death, like
Saddam did with his foreign minister's son?
http://www.guardian.co.uk/Iraq/Story/0,2763,801613,00.html

I must have missed the revelation of the prison where Bush is holding
children hostage, like Saddam's prison which was too horrible for Scott
Ritter to talk about.
(http://www.time.com/time/nation/article/0,8599,351165,00.html)

I must have missed the testimony about Bush crippling and maiming children
with torture.
(http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/world/from_our_own_correspondent/2058253.stm or
http://tinyurl.com/2p21)

I must have missed the thousands of political prisoners executed.  I must
have missed it when Bush invaded Canada AND Mexico.  I think my radio was
broken the day Bush gassed Berkeley.

Get a clue!  Check out Amnesty International's annual report on Iraq.
http://www.amnesty.org/ailib/aireport/ar99/mde14.htm or ANY OTHER YEAR!

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RE: Where's Osama? (Re: OPPOSE THE WAR! We are going to ruin Iraq to get the oil. Who's next)

2002-11-16 Thread Andrew John Lopata

   Is there any overwhelming reason to believe that going back to
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Short answer: yes.

Long answer:
I'm no expert, but a friend of mine in the military suggested that invading
Iraq now would be a lot different than the Gulf War.  He said that urban
combat, which will be necessary to depose Hussein, is the most difficult and
dangerous type of combat there is.  The Gulf War was fought on a flat plane
with no obstructions or terrain differences (the desert) where superior fire
power has a great advantage.  Other reasons to think that invading Iraq this
time will be much more difficult and likely cause many more U.S. causalities
include:
1.  The troops the U.S. fought against in the Gulf War were mainly recent
conscripts with little training or motivation.  Taking Baghdad will require
fighting veteran republican guard troops.
2.  There is no clear objective to this invasion of Iraq besides deposing
Hussein.  Ignoring the long-term consequences of this invasion (which is the
usual practice), the short-term prospects aren't good.  There is no readily
available alternate government to install in Hussein's place.  The resulting
destabilization in the region will likely result in a U.S. military presense
in the country for a much longer time than in the Gulf War.

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Re: The End of the Golden Age of Crypto

2002-11-16 Thread Peter Fairbrother

Jim Choate wrote:

 
 On Wed, 13 Nov 2002, Peter Fairbrother wrote:
 
 Jim Choate wrote:
 
 
 What I'd like to know is does Godel's apply to all forms of
 para-consistent logic as well

 
 However you can have eg arithmetics without Peano counting, and so on, and
 there are (trivial according to Godel, but even he acknowledged that they
 exist) systems that are both complete (all problems have answers) and
 consistent (no statement is both true and false).
 
 [SSZ: text deleted]
 
 Can you do interesting things in such systems? Yes. But you tend to leave
 intuition behind.
 
 What the hell does 'counting' have to do with para-consistent logic on
 this? Extraordinary claims...

Godel's (allegedly?) applies, as Ben pointed out, to any sufficiently
complex system. The requirement of sufficient complexity is that the
system contains Peano counting.

Systems described by Presburger, by Skolem, and by Tarski are among those
which do not include Peano counting, and which are both consistent and
complete.

The relevance of non-Peano counting is simply that you can often do more
things in a system that includes some form of counting.


One way of stating Godel is No system that includes Peano counting is both
consistent and complete.

 The answer of course is Yes, Godel's applies to Para-Consistent Logic.

Trivially, to the extent that all paraconsistent systems are not consistent
by definition, you can say yes.

You can also say no! Not all paraconsistent systems include Peano
counting. Depends what you mean by apply.

Godel also has connotations of consequences _within_ the system, eg
regarding decideability. Let me introduce a term, Godellike, to describe a
system that obeys those supposed consequences.

Are paraconsistent systems Godellike? Not necessarily, that's one of the
reasons for the development of paraconsistent systems.

 What really matters is the 'complete', not the 'consistent'. Godel's
 doesn't apply to incomplete systems because by definition there are
 statements which can be made which can't be expressed, otherwise it would
 be complete. You can't prove something if you can't express it since there
 is no way to get the machine to 'hold' it to work on it.

Ahh, those problems of definition again. Complete is normally* taken to
mean that every statement expressable within a system is provably true or is
provably false within the system. I don't know offhand of any paraconsistent
systems that have that property, but it's not impossible afaik.

IMO complete has nothing to do with statements which can be made which
can't be expressed - though I may be wrong, as I don't understand exactly
what that means.

-- Peter Fairbrother

*As in Godel's other famous theorem, the completeness theorem, which is
completely (ouch) different to his incompleteness theorem, the one we are
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Re: OPPOSE THE WAR! We are going to ruin Iraq to get the oil. Who's ne

On Thu, Nov 14, 2002 at 11:31:23AM -0500, Ken Hirsch wrote:
 Harmon Seaver wrote:
 
I don't see that Saddam is any less moral than Dubbya and Asscruft.
 
 What can you possibly mean by saying this?  You lose all credibility for
 real criticism when you utter such inanities.  It's like comparing a
 shoplifter with Jeffrey Dahmer.  Either you're ignorant of what Saddam is
 about or you have no sense of proportion.

   It's all relative -- what Dubbya and Asscruft have done to destroy freedom in
the US is far worse than anything Saddam has done. Iraq had no freedom to
lose. Is Saddam really any different than any other mid-east dictator? For that
matter, the people of Korea are suffering far worse, and they're developing WOMD
too -- why don't we attack them? 
   Dubbya and Asscruft have millions of people in prison for doing nothing
wrong, only violating their bullshit rules in the War On Some Drugs. They have
killed thousands of innocent Afghans, and are intent on murdering hundreds of
thousands of innocent Iraqis just to steal their oil. This makes Dubbya a
mass-murder far beyond the scale of Saddam.
   Not that Klinton was any better. 

(snip)


-- 
Harmon Seaver   
CyberShamanix
http://www.cybershamanix.com

War is just a racket ... something that is not what it seems to the
majority of people. Only a small group knows what its about. It is
conducted for the benefit of the very few at the expense of the
masses.  --- Major General Smedley Butler, 1933

Our overriding purpose, from the beginning through to the present
day, has been world domination - that is, to build and maintain the
capacity to coerce everybody else on the planet: nonviolently, if
possible, and violently, if necessary. But the purpose of US foreign
policy of domination is not just to make the rest of the world jump
through hoops; the purpose is to faciliate our exploitation of
resources.
- Ramsey Clark, former US Attorney General
http://www.thesunmagazine.org/bully.html

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Re: OPPOSE THE WAR! We are going to ruin Iraq to get the oil. Who's ne

2002-11-16 Thread Steve Furlong

On Thursday 14 November 2002 12:16, Harmon Seaver wrote:

It's all relative -- what Dubbya and Asscruft have done to destroy
 freedom in the US is far worse than anything Saddam has done. Iraq
 had no freedom to lose.

So...When Iraqis are tortured to death, it's not really that bad because 
they're just wogs and don't know any better?


Dubbya and Asscruft have millions of people in prison for doing
 nothing wrong, only violating their bullshit rules in the War On Some
 Drugs.

I agree that the WoSD is bullshit, but get some historical perspective. 
The WoSD has been in place for thirty years (Nixon), or for almost a 
century (vil blacks and hispanics using marijuana to seduce white 
women). Bush43 and Ashcroft have been in office less than two years, 
and neither was alive when _Reefer Madness_ came out..


 They have killed thousands of innocent Afghans

Thousands of Afghans has been thoroughly debunked. Only the very 
stupid continue to believe or propagate it.


Not that Klinton was any better.

Bubba was much worse. He killed people to distract attention from his 
crimes. Bush43 at least has a supportable rationale, whether or not you 
agree with it.


Now, I am far from a Bush43 supporter. I have serious concerns about his 
interest in the rights of Americans. But idiots like Harmon Seaver make 
it more difficult to effectively oppose Bush43 and Asscruft (*) because 
their supporters need only point to the idiots to discredit all of the 
opposition.

(*) I'm the one who came up with that nickname, so you can assume that 
my opinion of him is not favorable.

SRF

-- 
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Vote Idiotarian --- it's easier than thinking

Re: OPPOSE THE WAR! We are going to ruin Iraq to get the oil. Who's ne

On Thu, Nov 14, 2002 at 09:22:48PM -0500, Mike Diehl wrote:
 On Thursday 14 November 2002 11:29 pm, Harmon Seaver wrote:
  How wonderful for you. Many of us sincerely wish we could practice
   our religion freely as well.
 
 And just who is stopping you?  And what religion is it?

   The Christers. And the gov't, of course. The Christers began this as soon as
they hit the shores of this hemisphere, including inquisitions, torture,
destruction of temples, etc. It was formalized by the US gov't in the 1880's
with a law forbidding Native American religous ceremonies - you might have heard
of Wounded Knee? Where hundreds of peaceful, unarmed people were murdered as
they were involved in religious ceremonies. Many of these laws are still in
effect today. 
Many religions are persecuted in the US today. If you were paying attention,
you would have heard, during the debates, Dubbya being asked what he would do to
alleviate the US military's rules against Wiccan ceremonies by soldiers. He
replied that Wicca wasn't a religion and wouldn't be allowed. Wicca not a
relgion --sheesh, it's a much older religion than the Christers have. The list
of persecutions and prosectutions of various religions in the US is voluminous
-- NY pigs are especially fond of raiding Santeria and Vodun ceremonies. 
The WOSD is really religous persecution. Many world religions use cannabis
in their worship -- Hinduism, Rastafarianism, Shinto (where even the Emperor of
Japan partakes in cannabis during the biggest Shinto ceremony) -- and shamanism
invariably uses entheobotanicals all across the globe. Shamans using traditional
sacrements such as ayahuasca, psilocybic mushrooms, or peyote risk prison in the
US. 
   So much for 1st Amendment relgious freedoms, eh? All because of the
Christers, especially Christer politicians. I like the Rasta chant -- Burn de
church, burn de priest, burn de Pope, burn Babylon.



 
I can criticize my government and stay out of
prison.
  Can you? As long as you do it at home or in your local bar, I
   suppose. Try taking it out on the street and getting in their face.
 
 H.  What do you mean by getting in their face?

   You apparantly don't watch the news. Ever see any coverage of the WTO
protests? 


 
 I don't have soldiers living with/watching me.
  Plenty of pigs watching a lot of us. The fedzis are everywhere
   these days. Perhaps you've heard about them infiltrating church
   groups, demanding the reading lists from libraries, etc. How do you
   know they haven't bugged your house? Your computer? Got Carnivore at
   your ISP?
 
 Well, between gpg, cryptofs, and IPSec, I doubt that they have my computer 
 bugged, and I don't worry about Carnivore.  I can and do encrypt anything I 
 don't wish to share.
 
   Lot of good that does you when the keyboard snaggers send your passwds to the
pigs, or the hidden cameras in your room record your keystrokes. I notice you
ignored the above about cointelpro and libraries, etc. We live in a police
state.

(rest of this boring discussion snipped, what's the point of talking to
sleep-walking quislings)


-- 
Harmon Seaver   
CyberShamanix
http://www.cybershamanix.com

War is just a racket ... something that is not what it seems to the
majority of people. Only a small group knows what its about. It is
conducted for the benefit of the very few at the expense of the
masses.  --- Major General Smedley Butler, 1933

Our overriding purpose, from the beginning through to the present
day, has been world domination - that is, to build and maintain the
capacity to coerce everybody else on the planet: nonviolently, if
possible, and violently, if necessary. But the purpose of US foreign
policy of domination is not just to make the rest of the world jump
through hoops; the purpose is to faciliate our exploitation of
resources.
- Ramsey Clark, former US Attorney General
http://www.thesunmagazine.org/bully.html

Re: News: House votes life sentences for hackers (fwd)

2002-11-16 Thread Tyler Durden

Holy Shit!

Does that mean that some 18-year-old script kiddie could get LIFE?

If this wasn't such an immense pile of stupidity, I'd get angry over the 
obvious invasions of privacy, etc...

Having worked in many a company, I KNOW how most management systems work. 
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about getting life (Osama's posse, who probably won't even live in the US 
for this) will say: Shit these guys are stupid! We just found a way to take 
down the whole US economy with 20 lines of code!

Send script kiddies away for life? How about sending the CTOs of publically 
traded companies away for life if something as simple as a DoS attack robs 
little old ladies of their retirement $?








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 And software-defined radios, which are now coming from at least two 
 sources, will make this even easier. Indeed, trespassing into the Big 
 Brother-owned frequencies will be even easier.
 
 We may even see SDRs outlawed from the outset as terrorist tools.
 
 (Inasmuch as tuning an SDR is nothing more than entering numbers, or 
 running simple programs, we may also see coding as speech arguments 
 resurrected. All for naught, though, as Camp Liberty in Guantanamo Bay 
 has room for 12,000 more Thought Criminals.)
 

Rumor has it that the ECPA hobby listening penalty increase in
the CSEA  was, surprisingly, not originated by the House Republicans
burned by the intercept of the Newt call or by cellphone lobbyists tying
to save money on encryption but by the Bush Justice Department.

The DOJ is supposed to have asked for the added penalties 
as an addition to the original CSEA.

This is an interesting turnabout from their attitude back in
1985 when the ECPA was being crafted when they described such
restrictions as unenforcable and something they didn't want to deal
with.

Whilst hardly (understatement of the year) a Washington insider,
I would speculate that perhaps someone in the DOJ has gotten concerned
about recent white hat hacker projects like gru-radio and takes
the potential threat from bright hackers with IQs 40-60 or more points
over the scanner crowd far more seriously than some truck driver
with a modified Radio Shack scanner.  

And I am on record as advising some of the folks doing gnu-radio
that in my personal opinion it was rather unlikely that a user
programmable open source software radio would ever get FCC approval or
be legally sold in the USA under current regulations on scanning radio
receivers.   So I share Tim's assessment about the likelyhood of such
being banned or tightly restricted, though it seems hard to see how they
can be kept out of the hands of hams for use on ham bands (and more such
ham projects appear every day).


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Annie Machon quit her job at MI5 and endured three years on the run - all 
for the sake of her partner David Shayler, who was jailed last week.( 
Guardian Unlimited, 15 Nov 02)

US surveillance for Iraq inspectors

US defence officials have suggested that the most likely support the 
Pentagon would give to the UN weapons inspectors in Iraq would be 
surveillance capabilities and intelligence.( BBC, 15 Nov 02)

Analysis / Classified info flows freely from the IDF to the Internet

The punishment meted out to IDF soldier Sergeant Maor Pri'el - who was 
later demoted to private - seems, at first sight, disproportionate, almost 
cruel. Last month, Pri'el was sentenced by the Northern Command's military 
court to 14 months in prison, for handing classified information to an 
Internet site covering the actions of the IDF.( Ha'aretz, 15 Nov 02)
Hamas intelligence chief meets with Arafat

Egyptian intelligence chief Omar Suleiman met with Yasser Arafat in the 
Palestinian leader's battered West Bank headquarters today.( 
Arabia.com, 14 Nov 02)

Israel Spy Trial Scheduled in Egypt

Six accused Israeli spies, including an Egyptian diplomat, will be tried on 
espionage charges next month.( AP, 14 Nov 02)

You Are a Suspect

If the Homeland Security Act is not amended before passage, here is what 
will happen to you:  Every purchase you make with a credit card, every 
magazine subscription you buy and medical prescription you fill, every Web 
site you visit and e-mail you send or receive, every academic grade you 
receive, every bank deposit you make, every trip you book and every event 
you attend all these transactions and communications will go into what the 
Defense Department describes as a virtual, centralized grand 
database..( New York Times Op-Ed, 14 Nov 02)

Point/Counterpoint.( New York Daily News, 14 Nov 02)

Ease spying limits for cops? No

The Bloomberg administration's attempt to have a federal judge scrap a 
17-year-old court order that limits spying by the Police Department on 
political and religious activity in New York City is unnecessary and opens 
the door to improper police surveillance
Ease spying limits for cops? Yes

The NYPD achieved the biggest crime drop in history through the rigorous 
analysis and sharing of crime information. But when it comes to terrorism, 
the department cannot collect or share far more vital intelligence, thanks 
to crippling legal restrictions dating from a 1971 lawsuit
Diplomat expelled from China on spying suspicion

A Japanese diplomat has been expelled from China...He was expelled from the 
country after entering an off-limits area near a naval base in eastern 
China.( ABC Radio Australia News, 14 Nov 02)

Expelled diplomat denies spying.( ABC News Australia, 14 Nov 02)

Suspicous Murder
Fresh claims that media mogul Robert Maxwell was murdered by Mossad 
assassins have been denied by the Israeli embassy in London.( Totally 
Jewish, 14 Nov 02)
Six Egyptians to be tried for spying for Israel
Six people accused of spying for Israel, including a diplomat at the 
Egyptian Embassy in Tel Aviv, will stand trial on espionage charges in 
Cairo next month.(Globes, 14 Nov 02)
Israel Caught Spying on Egypt, Again.( Palestinian Chronicle, 14 Nov 02)
3 Egyptians on trial for spying for Israel.( Ha'aretz, 14 Nov 02)

N. Korea Changes on Return of USS Pueblo

North Korea has decided against returning the captured spy ship USS Pueblo 
after indicating last month that it might do so.( AP, 14 Nov 02)
Spy Satellite Pictures Are Unveiled

Nearly 40 years ago, even their existence was top secret. But in two days 
thousands of spy satellite images will be posted on the Web for all the 
world to see -- and download.( Wireless Newsfactor, 13 Nov 02)

Moscow court sends American's deportation complaint for re-examination

Lawyer for the plaintiff Yelena Zinger told RIA Novosti yesterday that the 
capital's Meshchansky city court was intending to send a complaint made by 
US citizen Ken David Lee against the Federal Security Service (FSB) for 
re-examination on Wednesday...Kent David Lee headed the Russian branch of 
the American information firm, East View Publications, and was deported 
from Russian in autumn 1997 on suspicion of espionage.(Pravda, 13 Nov 02)

ACLU Seeks U.S. Surveillance Records

The American Civil Liberties Union (ACLU) asked a judge on Wednesday to 
order the Justice Department to release information on increased 
surveillance in the United States under a law passed after last year's 
terrorist attacks.( AP, 13 Nov 02)

Spy Suspect Appeals Detention Order

One of the three men suspected of industrial espionage involving wireless 
equipment maker LM Ericsson has appealed a court's decision to keep him in 
custody pending an investigation.( AP, 13 Nov 02)

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A local court on Wednesday denied bail to

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L.I. 'SOPRANOS' BUSTED
[From The New York Post]  -- A Long Island crime family lived like the 
Sopranos - complete with their own version of the Bada Bing strip club and 
secret mob confabs at the high school football games of the underboss' son, 
authorities said yesterday.
Suffolk County DA Thomas Spota said he hopes the roundup of 14 suspects and 
the impending arrests of several others sends a searing message to the mob.
He said the biggest organized-crime crackdown by Long Island officials in 
20 years began when a strip-club owner complained to authorities.
The owner of Sinderella's strip club and adult-movie rental business in 
Brentwood said a mobster put a gun to his head and announced his business 
now belonged to the mob.
During the nine-month investigation, the probers found that the mobsters 
used cell phones they thought were laundered and safe from police 
surveillance.
But authorities were able to listen in on crime conferences of reputed 
Luchese crime-family underboss Joseph Caridi, of East Northport.
Asked if Caridi, 53, and his associates were real-life Sopranos, Spota said:
Absolutely. We have an underboss who lives in suburbia, like Tony Soprano 
. . . going to football games with other mobsters, Spota said. They're 
not football dads, but they look like football dads.
Authorities said the mobsters arranged meetings at football games where 
Caridi's son played.
What's the name of the [Sopranos] place? Spota said. The Bada Bing? 
They've got Sinderella's.
The 14 arrests announced yesterday were for racketeering, loan sharking, 
gambling and other crimes. Almost $70,000 in cash as well as computers and 
business records were seized.
Suffolk Police Commissioner John Gallagher said he hoped the arrests will 
de-glamorize organized crime in the public's eye.
Every Sunday, millions of Americans invite 'The Sopranos' into their 
living rooms, but they wouldn't invite real-life mobsters into their 
homes, Gallagher said.
The mob is dirty, vicious, he said. It reaches out to ordinary citizens 
and terrorizes them . . . it leaves people broken and their lives ruined.
Spota said a West Hempstead cell phone store, Simply Cellular, provided 
Luchese members with laundered cell phones in other people's names in a 
failed attempt to foil surveillance.
The manager of the store denied knowingly supplying cell phones to the mob.
It's very tough to monitor who we're giving phones to, said the manager, 
who asked not to be named. It's not our business to know about their 
private life. These people don't walk around with labels.
More on the Sopranos; These Are Bums; These Are Thugs
[A Newsday report names names] In an aggressive operation that outwitted 
its targets, authorities rounded up more than a dozen reputed members of 
the Luchese organized crime family Wednesday and Thursday, Suffolk District 
Attorney Thomas Spota said.
The district attorney's office hit at the top of the family. The arrests 
included its alleged underboss, Joseph Caridi, 53, of 17 Karin Court, East 
Northport. Among the search warrants executed was one on the Brooklyn home 
of the Luchese family's alleged acting boss, Louis Daidone, who was not 
arrested.
Fourteen arrests were made and searches were conducted over the past two 
days at more than a dozen locations in Suffolk, Nassau, Brooklyn and 
Queens, Spota said. Caridi and several others were charged with enterprise 
corruption, the state equivalent of federal racketeering charges. Others 
were charged with gambling, usury or coercion. More arrests are expected.
We are investigating construction payoffs, bid rigging and restaurant 
extortion, Spota said. Based upon this investigation ... I hope that this 
sends a searing message to those in the Luchese organization and those 
attracted to this lifestyle by [the television show] 'The Sopranos.' If 
they're attracted to this lifestyle, we're coming after them.
Spota and Suffolk Police Commissioner John Gallagher said the real-life 
Lucheses resembled the popular show in superficial ways. Both operate in 
the suburbs. Both Caridi and his TV counterpart talked business while at a 
high school football game. And both took over adult-themed businesses.
This investigation began earlier this year when Robert Scherer, the owner 
of Sinderella's, an adult- entertainment complex in Brentwood, came to the 
district attorney's office and told how he had been pushed out by the Lucheses.
He was removed from his place of business by force, Assistant District 
Attorney James Chalifoux said. He had a gun placed against his head and 
was told not to return.
But John Ray, the Miller Place attorney representing James Bozart, one of 
five charged with enterprise corruption, said his client and co-defendant 
Milton Bialostok were legitimate partners of Scherer's. In fact, Ray said, 
it was Scherer who tried to evict Bozart and Bialostok by force, but they 
sued in August to get Scherer removed from the business.
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[Htech] Lying With Pixels (fwd)

2002-11-16 Thread Eugen Leitl

-- Forwarded message --
Date: Sat, 16 Nov 2002 09:28:46 -0600 (CST)
From: Premise Checker [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: [Htech] Lying With Pixels

Jul/Aug 00: Lying With Pixels
http://www2.bc.edu/~okeefew/349/rfppixels.htm

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 Lying With Pixels

 Seeing is no longer believing. The image you see on the evening
 news could well be a fake -a fabrication of fast new
 video-manipulation technology.

 By [1]Ivan Amato

 photo

 Last year, Steven Livingston, professor of political communication
 at George Washington University, astonished attendees at a
 conference on the geopolitical pros and cons of satellite imagery.
 He didn't produce evidence of new military mobilizations or global
 pandemics. Instead, he showed a video of figure skater Katarina
 Witt during a 1998 skating competition.

 In the clip, Witt gracefully plies the ice for about 20 seconds.
 Then came what is perhaps one of the most unusual sports replays
 ever seen. The background was the same, the camera movements were
 the same. In fact, the image was identical to the original in all
 ways except for a rather important one: Witt had disappeared, along
 with all signs of her, such as shadows or plumes of ice flying from
 her skates. In their place was exactly what you would expect if
 Witt had never been there to begin with - the ice, the walls of the
 rink and the crowd.

 So what's the big deal, you ask. After all, Stalin's staff
 routinely airbrushed persona non grata out of photos more than a
 half-century ago. And Woody Allen ushered a variation on reality
 morphing into the movies 17 years ago with Zelig, in which he
 inserted himself next to Adolf Hitler and Babe Ruth. In films such
 as Forrest Gump and Wag the Dog, reality twisting has become
 commonplace.

 What sets the Witt demo apart - way apart - is that the technology
 used to virtually delete the skater can now be applied in real
 time, live, even as a camera records a scene and instantly
 broadcasts it to viewers. In the fraction of a second between video
 frames, any person or object moving in the foreground can be edited
 out, and objects that aren't there can be edited in and made to
 look real. Pixel plasticity, Livingston calls it. The implication
 for those at the satellite imagery conference was sobering:
 Pictures from orbit may not necessarily be what the satellite's
 electronic camera actually recorded.

 But the ramifications of this new technology reach beyond satellite
 imagery. As live electronic manipulation becomes practical, the
 credibility of all video will become just as suspect as Soviet Cold
 War photos. The problem stems from the nature of modern video. Live
 or not, it is made of pixels, and as Livingston says, pixels can be
 changed.

 The best-known examples of real-time video manipulation so far are
 virtual insertions in professional sports broadcasts. Last
 January 30, for instance, nearly one-sixth of humankind in more
 than 180 countries repeatedly saw an orange first-down line
 stretched across the gridiron as they watched the Super Bowl.
 Princeton Video Imaging (PVI) in Lawrenceville, N.J., created that
 line, stored it in a computer, and inserted it into the live feed
 of the broadcast. To help determine where to insert the orange
 pixels, several game cameras were fitted with sensors that tracked
 the cameras spatial positions and zoom levels. Adding to the
 illusion of reality was the ability of the PVI system to make sure
 that players and referees occlude the virtual line when their
 bodies traverse it.

 Last spring and summer, as PVI and rivals such as New York-based
 Sportvision were airing virtual insertion products, including
 simulated billboards on walls behind major league batters, a team
 of engineers from Sarnoff Corp. in Princeton, N.J., flew to the
 Coalition Allied Operations Center of NATO's Operation Allied Force
 in Vicenza, Italy. Their mission: transform their experimental
 video processing technology into an operational tool for rapidly
 locating and targeting Serbian military vehicles in Kosovo. The
 project was dubbed TIGER, for targeting by image georegistration.
 Our goal was to be able to fire precision-guided munitions at
 Serbian military vehicles - just dial in the coordinates and the
 thing goes, explains Michael Hansen, a young, caffeinated Sarnoff

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Re: [Htech] Lying With Pixels (fwd)

At 04:37 PM 11/16/2002 +0100, Eugen Leitl wrote:

-- Forwarded message --
Date: Sat, 16 Nov 2002 09:28:46 -0600 (CST)
From: Premise Checker [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: [Htech] Lying With Pixels

Jul/Aug 00: Lying With Pixels
http://www2.bc.edu/~okeefew/349/rfppixels.htm

Request for Proposal

  MT 349 Fall 2002
 _

 July/August 2000

 Lying With Pixels

 Seeing is no longer believing. The image you see on the evening
 news could well be a fake -a fabrication of fast new
 video-manipulation technology.

International distributors in Hollywood will love this, for a 
time.  Combined XXX with VoxWorks' ReelVoice 
http://www.forbes.com/2002/08/14/0814tentech.html and the problem of 
international films making it in the U.S. or vice versa abroad my be solved.

steve

Re: [Htech] Lying With Pixels (fwd)

At 04:37 PM 11/16/2002 +0100, Eugen Leitl wrote:

-- Forwarded message --
Date: Sat, 16 Nov 2002 09:28:46 -0600 (CST)
From: Premise Checker [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: [Htech] Lying With Pixels

Jul/Aug 00: Lying With Pixels
http://www2.bc.edu/~okeefew/349/rfppixels.htm

Request for Proposal

  MT 349 Fall 2002
 _

 July/August 2000

 Lying With Pixels

 Seeing is no longer believing. The image you see on the evening
 news could well be a fake -a fabrication of fast new
 video-manipulation technology.

International distributors in Hollywood will love this, for a 
time.  Combined Video Rewrite with VoxWorks' ReelVoice
  ^ 
oops
http://www.forbes.com/2002/08/14/0814tentech.html and the problem of 
international films making it in the U.S. or vice versa abroad my be solved.

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2002-11-16 Thread Stuart Schechter

 What ever happened to Financial Cryptography?  The
 organisers did say they were going to look at wider
 accessibility for the coming year, but I see only
 these papers that are, from the titles at least,
 anything that speaks to non-cryptographers:
...
  How Much Security is Enough to Stop a Thief?
  Stuart E. Schechter and Michael D. Smith
...
 Even they're a stretch.  All are specialised, and
 none are of interest to the non-deep-techies.

   I don't think you'll find our paper to be overly technical - at least not
from a computer science or cryptographic perspective.  We wrote this paper
because we believe that determining the level of security necessary to deter
an adversary is a problem of more general interest.

   Best regards

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Re: [Htech] Lying With Pixels (fwd)

2002-11-16 Thread jya

Not unexpected that CNN will be described as a reliable medium compared to the
Internet when not so long ago it was described as the unreliable medium itself
due to lack of thoughtful mediation by authoritarian Speak Truths.

But TV was not so long ago seen as suspect compared to newspapers and
newspapers suspect compared to government edicts and government edicts suspect
compared to religious preachings and religious yarping nothing compared to
acts of gods angry at copulating humanoids.

So what if pixels lie, how is that different from any authority issuance from
heads all too often quoted as believe you us who know?

Shame on those pipsqueak authorities cited as being gravely concerned about
lying pixels and the unmanageable Internet. Their self-promoting lies are
showing hoary signs of thin-skinned unbelievability sensing doodoo die-out.

National defense of any persuasion is a matter of suspended disbelief, not
that you should not chaff  your sorry ass when the drones come sniffing: US
citizens in the US homeland are now fair game for the assassination squads
eager to show the budget inceases were not in vain. 

Blonde hair and blue eyes with chic cammie clothing is now the best
prophylactic against fat ethnics sitting with consoles programmed to blowdown
off-coloreds. Nothing illegal about killing your own kind when sanctioned by
secret presidential pixels.

RE: Where's Osama? (Re: OPPOSE THE WAR! We are going to ruin Iraq to get the oil. Who's next)

2002-11-16 Thread James A. Donald

--
On 14 Nov 2002 at 14:47, Andrew John Lopata wrote:
 I'm no expert, but a friend of mine in the military suggested 
 that invading Iraq now would be a lot different than the Gulf 
 War.  He said that urban combat, which will be necessary to 
 depose Hussein, is the most difficult and dangerous type of 
 combat there is.

The last time the US engaged in urban combat, Somalia, US 
troops took significant casualties, and innocent bystanders 
suffered enormous casualties.

In Afghanistan, urban combat was avoided by three a dimensional 
envelopment.  The enemy inside the city was threatened by 
ground troops outside the city, from the sky, and by subversion 
from within the city.  It was this final threat, subversion 
from within, combined with containment from above and around, 
that provoked capitulation.

This third element, subversion from within, may well be 
unachievable in Iraq, or if it is achievable, the regular army 
not very deft at getting it done.

For the Iraq war to be completed without enormous civilian 
casualties, massive destruction of infrastructure, and 
intolerable US casualties, successful political warfare is 
likely to be essential.

 There is no readily available alternate government to install 
 in Hussein's place.  The resulting destabilization in the 
 region will likely result in a U.S. military presense in the 
 country for a much longer time than in the Gulf War.

When the US defeated Nazi germany, the nazi government was 
largely obliterated, and the remaining apparatus of government 
mostly signed up with the German communist party, which had 
been the second largest party before the nazis, and which was 
subservient to the Soviet Union.   Thus the US eventually had 
to suppress every vestige of German government and foster a new 
government from nothing.  It took about five years for a 
plausibly German government to get its hands on the reins of 
power, and few more years for it to get rid of the institutions 
and apparatus of nazism. 

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a customer conference.
Hewlett-Packard used to sell its own application server, which it 
jettisoned earlier this year after failing to gain market share. In June, 
the Palo Alto, California-based company teamed with BEA Systems Inc., the 
biggest maker of application-server software. ..
...Oracle said it hopes the free application server will prompt 
customers to buy additional components, such as portal, integration and 
business intelligence functions performed by other types of Oracle 
software...
Is Carlies portal tight?
Fiorina: Tight budgets to be an IT reality.The next wave of IT will not be 
about hot new killer apps, but about serving business needs, Fiorina has 
said at OracleWorld
I think this is a permanent set of changes... and it will stay with us even 
when the economy comes back, Fiorina said. The next era of IT will not be 
about the hottest box or the killer app, she added, but about making sure 
information technology is more flexible to businesses' needs.
In response to these changes, HP is focussing on making its server, 
storage, network management and consumer products more modular in their 
architecture, so businesses can more easily pick and choose what they need.
The company is also designing its offerings around industry, rather than 
proprietary, standards, she said. And better security, reliability and 
interoperability are priorities.
Another development driving the future of the IT industry is the move to 
so-called utility-based computing, Fiorina said. In that model, companies 
leave all their computing needs to a third party rather than making huge 
investments in their own private IT infrastructure. The companies then pay 
monthly bills for what they use, in the same way they pay for utilities 
such as electricity or water.
Wind in Larry's sails
Fiorina also highlighted her company's 20-year partnership with Oracle, 
with whom HP shares some 80,000 customers. The two companies discussed 
plans this week to bundle Oracle middleware software on HP servers.
Oracle chief executive Larry Ellison later Thursday plans to address the 
audience via satellite from New Zealand, where he's competing for the 
America's Cup. Ellison's team, Oracle BMW Racing, has won each of its last 
nine races in the premier international sailing competition, placing the 
team in the Louis Vuitton Cup quarter-finals, Fiorina announced during her 
keynote.
HP provided the team with much of its computer equipment for the 
competition, including laptop computers, Fiorina said.
HP puts the wind in Larry's sails, Fiorina quipped. If Larry Ellison and 
his team don't win, it's not because of the technology, it's because of the 
captain.
http://news.zdnet.co.uk/story/0,,t269-s2125976,00.html
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Re: News: House votes life sentences for hackers (fwd)

On Fri, Nov 15, 2002 at 10:20:42PM -0800, Steve Schear wrote:
 At 11:59 PM 11/15/2002 -0500, Dave Emery wrote:
 And I am on record as advising some of the folks doing gnu-radio
 that in my personal opinion it was rather unlikely that a user
 programmable open source software radio would ever get FCC approval or
 be legally sold in the USA under current regulations on scanning radio
 receivers.
 
 No FCC approval should be required.  GNURadio is not a RADIO but an 
 extensible toolkit of signal processing software for building test 
 instruments.  Test instruments are essentially unregulated by the FCC.  See 
 for yourself by checking out the regulatory compliance section a spectrum 
 analyzer or signal generator from HP or Tektronix.

This probably will work as long as software is not sold with
hardware as a complete integrated package and as long as neither is
marketed as a scanning radio receiver or a kit to make one.   But the
FCC looks very dimly on attempts to market test equipment that is
really an otherwise banned scanner and they have pushed a couple
of such products off the market.

There is very little doubt that the gnuradio package has lots of
applicablity to test equipment use and to various kinds of measurement
and calibration requirements in real radio systems as well as use in RD
simulating and analyzing radio systems.  And clearly hams can use it as
they wish for ham projects.  And perhaps someone will come up with a
sufficiently closed and secured application to pass FCC muster for use
in a real radio system sold to the general public - but likely that
would have to be more or less a sealed box (like Linux in Tivo units)
which could not be user altered or added to and might well have to
include digital signatures or other mechanisms to ensure this.

Of course I probably have an axe to grind here as a collector
and user of test equipment and related professional electronics of
various sorts - I'd sure as hell not like to see private ownership or
purchase or sale of such licensed, regulated or even banned.   And there
already was one such attempt by the cellular industry to persuade the
FCC to restrict private ownership of certain RF test equipment back in
the late 90s which fortunately the ham community was able to persuade
the FCC was foolish and would damage the ability of hams to serve the
country in times of emergency.  Had the FCC gone along with the cellular
industry proposals, virtually all rf test equipment such as spectrum
analyzers, modulation meters, service monitors, signal generators,
network analyzers, protocol analyzers, microwave counters, test and
measurement receivers and the like and perhaps even things like certain
logic analyzers and scopes would have become controlled items that could
only be bought or sold by communications carriers and companies making
or servicing  equipment for them or government and military agencies.
Private sale oe ownership would have been banned, and might even have
become a crime.

As it was finally resolved, the FCC ruled that as long as test
equipment was not marketed to the general public it could be bought,
sold, used and possessed by members of the public - especially hams -
without any restrictions on what an individual could buy or own.  But
in the NPRM the FCC made quite clear that if someone was trying to
sell otherwise banned or unapproved electronics to the general public
as test equipment they would take action.


 
 steve

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Does the Rot on Wall Street Reach Right to the Top?
By GRETCHEN MORGENSON
s the latest in a long line of Wall Street morality plays, the one
involving Sanford I. Weill, the chairman of Citigroup, and Jack B. Grubman,
his firm's former star telecommunications analyst, is unfolding in
depressingly familiar fashion. But it differs too from some other dramas
involving brokerage firm titans: thousands of individual investors lost
millions of dollars because of what appear to have been self-interested
actions by Mr. Grubman and Mr. Weill.

The story so far: in early 1999 Mr. Weill asked Mr. Grubman, a man whose
job it is to monitor by the minute what is happening at telecom companies,
to take a fresh look at ATT. Mr. Grubman, who had been negative on the
stock, coincidentally upgraded it to a buy in November 1999. A few months
later, Mr. Weill's firm helped AT T sell shares in its wireless division
to investors, reaping bountiful fees. And Mr. Grubman got help from Mr.
Weill securing spots in a prestigious nursery school for his kids.
In October 2000, Mr. Grubman downgraded the shares again after the stock
had lost 50 percent of its value.

Recall past Wall Street shows. The infractions and hubris of Michael Milken
at Drexel Burnham Lambert in the 1980's did not wipe out armies of small
investors. And individual investors were largely unaffected by the attempt
of a Salomon Brothers trader to corner the market in United States Treasury
securities, a power play that cost John H. Gutfreund, the firm's chairman,
his job in 1991.

Mr. Weill said last week that he did not mean to pressure Mr. Grubman into
changing his view on AT T, and that he assumed Mr. Grubman would rate the
stock on its merits. But his argument is unpersuasive.

The fact is, Mr. Weill's request of Mr. Grubman draws him into the circle
of people that investors can consider at least partly responsible for
losses they incurred by following the analyst's advice. Between his upgrade
of ATT when the stock was at $57.43, and his downgrade, at $28.88, some
$80 billion in market value vanished.

To be sure, Mr. Grubman was not the only analyst who was bullish on ATT in
1999. This column quoted one in May 1999 who incorrectly projected a
positive future for the company and its shareholders. What a bad call of
mine that column was!

It may not come as a surprise to people on Wall Street or those accustomed
to its ways, that Mr. Weill inserted himself into the research process
relating to ATT. But that doesn't mean it looks good. In fact, it looks
awful. Sufficiently so that some large investors have dumped Citigroup
shares as a result.

BILL DIERKER, vice president of equity securities at Nationwide Insurance
in Columbus, Ohio, said he had sold the last of his company's roughly 1.5
million Citigroup shares last Thursday. That was the day after Mr. Weill
owned up to contacting Mr. Grubman about his ATT rating.

Mr. Dierker's reason? The quality of management is a big variable in my
decision-making process and Citigroup went from having a reasonable score
to having a low score, he said. For investors, it used to be we didn't
know what we didn't know. Now, I think there's a sense that there's a lot
we don't know.

Mr. Weill's position at the top of Citigroup may yet be secure. But his
legacy as an impressive manager who has created significant shareholder
value has been severely damaged.

Bill Fleckenstein, president of Fleckenstein Capital in Seattle, said the
incident showed that it wasn't just the analysts and the corporate finance
guys on Wall Street who would do whatever it took to make a buck. The
C.E.O.'s did, too. But this was standard practice on Wall Street in the
90's, he noted. The only reason we get to know about this is there was a
paper trail, he said. And a doozy of a trail at that.

Why is it so hard for smart people who have been around awhile Mr. Weill
and Mr. Grubman qualify on both counts to see that if the road to instant
gratification requires taking a wrong moral turn, such a turn is
inadvisable? I really and truly want to know.

http://www.nytimes.com/2002/11/17/business/yourmoney/17WATC.html?ex=1038114000en=65a922528f327c59ei=5062partner=GOOGLE

Wild guess...Citigroup-CIA.90's BCCI-CIA.80's NUGAN HAND-CIA.70's.

Exclusive little creches cost...SEE...

http://www.iht.com/articles/77186.html

Does Christmas smell like almonds to you?

A little more than a year ago, a man named George Walker Tush,excited a 
group of college students with some questions. Have you stood on a high and 
windy hill and heard the acorns drop and roll? Have you walked in the 
valley beside the brook? Have you walked alone and remembered? Does 
Christmas smell like oranges to you?

The New South Wales Government is seeking to introduce new laws expanding 
police powers to deal with terrorism.The Premier had previously called for 
a National Department of Homeland Security.
The move follows the recent announcement of a new state anti-terrorism group.
Last month, the State Government announced a new 70-strong 
counter-terrorism coordination command.
The command is backed with $17 million in funds for things such as new bomb 
disposal and forensic services equipment.
NSW Premier,' security sideshow' ,Bob Carr is now working on new laws 
allowing for electronic surveillance of individuals suspected of terror 
links and increased powers to detain and interview them.
The laws may also seek to reinstate special powers, granted during the 
Olympics, which allow the State Government to request the Commonwealth 
station armed forces at potential terrorist targets.
Those targets may include power stations and water treatment plants.

On Thursday a £1.5 million Christmas advertising campaign that wafted the 
scent of the almond liqueur Amaretto through the London Underground was 
dropped, as it smells similar to cyanide.
International: Superterrorism: where next?
http://www.sundayherald.com/29314

The sub of all fears.

Two charged with nuke sub break-in
17nov02
POLICE have charged two anti-nuclear activists with criminal damage after 
they allegedly broke into a naval base and boarded a nuclear submarine, the 
British defence ministry and Navy have said.
Petter Joelson from Sweden and Elisa Silvennoinen from Finland have been 
remanded in custody to appear before magistrates in Plymouth, south 
England, on Monday, a defence ministry spokeswoman said.
They got onto the outer casing of the submarine and broke a fire alarm 
box, a royal navy spokeswoman said earlier of the pair, who were found 
inside the Devonport base in Plymouth at about 11.30pm on Friday (1030 
Saturday AEDT).
They were caught at dock nine, where the Trident submarine HMS Vanguard was 
undergoing a re-fit.
The break-in caused minor damage to a perimeter fence and a fire alarm.
A statement released by Trident Ploughshares - a group that campaigns to 
disarm British Trident nuclear weapons - said its activists had entered the 
naval base, showing defence ministry security to be woefully inadequate.
It beggars belief that, during a time when the prime minister himself has 
warned the country to be on high alert over possible terrorist attack, it 
has been possible for people to break into the Trident submarine complex 
with little difficulty, said the opposition Liberal Democrat defence 
spokesman, Colin Breed.
HMS Vanguard is the first of four Vanguard-class submarines to undergo a 
two-year re-fit.
It joined six other nuclear-powered submarines at the Plymouth base in 
February.

http://www.heraldsun.news.com.au/common/story_page/0,5478,5504339%255E1702,00.html

Half built subs have been found in Columbia and Thailand and Al Qaida is 
reputed to have the capacity.The ghost of Captain Nemo seems to be looking 
on with a illuminated smile on his dial.Mitsubishi powered mini-sub's 
attacked in Sydney harbour in WW2.

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From: T. Wolf [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Date: Sun, 17 Nov 2002 00:00:51 +0100
Subject: Re: Fun with Rosslyn Chapel, or, What *was* the Templar's Cipher,
anyway?

Dear RAH,

I just found the old attached message of yours doing a web search.
Coincidentally, I'm currently looking for the very the same thing (i.e. the
ciphers the Templars used for their bearer certificates).

Since your message is two years old already, I'm hoping you found the
solution by now. If you did, PLEASE PLEASE PLEASE tell me!

Thanks,
Thomas

-
Your old message
(http://archives.neohapsis.com/archives/crypto/2000-q2/0315.html)
-
I'm dong an IBUC shirt for EFCE2K, and, given that we're in Edinburgh, and
Rosslyn Chapel, the famous Templar, um, Mecca, is here, and the Templars
ran the original money transfer business, using cryptography no less,
Fearghas and I popped out to Roslin to root around for stuff to stick on
the aforesaid shirt.

Close, but, more or less, no cigar. We saw the faded remains of a Templar
floriated cross on the Earl of St. Clair's supposed crypt-cover (kinda
small, people speculate about all kinds of goodies in there), which might
have been cool, but it was all eroded and I haven't found line art of one
on the web and it's late.

I've gotten a couple kinda-crypto things, of which I'll pick one for the
shirt tomorrow morning before we mail it out to the silkscreener, but what
I'd *really* like to know, if it's not one of the many secrets of the
Templars [like the shroud of Turin is DeMolay, or that the Templars were
Masons, or vice versa, or that they had the head of John the Baptist (or
christ, or Joseph, or the original Green Man) or that they *really* had the
Ark of the Covenent, or the Holy Grail, or that DeMolay was the Second
Gunman on the Grassy Knoll :-), or, whatever] is...

Has anyone ever figured out, or discovered or whatever, what kind of
cryptosystem the Templars used to encrypt, decrypt, sign/modify the chits
(dare I say bearer certificates? ;-)) they used so that people could go
from preceptory to preceptory, getting cash/food/whatever, all the way to
the holy land (and get the remains of their money back, or a bill :-), when
they returned home?

Cheers,
RAH,
Who, oddly enough, and by the sheerest coincidence (and I swear on a stack
of Illuminati), lives in the Roslindale section of Boston, named for
Roslin, home of Rosslyn Chapel

--- end forwarded text

-- 
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R. A. Hettinga mailto: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
The Internet Bearer Underwriting Corporation http://www.ibuc.com/
44 Farquhar Street, Boston, MA 02131 USA
... however it may deserve respect for its usefulness and antiquity,
[predicting the end of the world] has not been found agreeable to
experience. -- Edward Gibbon, 'Decline and Fall of the Roman Empire'

The Radio Code that changed Hirstory.(long)

...Ozaki proved to be extremely helpful in Sorge's fact-finding mission in 
China. A dedicated leftist, the Japanese journalist provided Sorge with 
scores of important contacts in the Chinese Communist underground. 
Information Sorge received from these contacts was coded and then given to 
Max Klausen, a Communist merchant seaman and radio operator.
The plans of the Sorge ring were thrown into turmoil when the Japanese 
invaded Manchuria in September 1931. Sorge was uncertain as to how the 
various political factions in China would react to this new threat. It was 
evident to him that relations between Japan and the Soviet Union were 
strained to the point where hostilities between the two nations might soon 
occur.

Sorge met with a friend of Ozaki's, Teikichi Kawai, who worked as a 
correspondent for the Shanghai Weekly. He quickly absorbed Kawai into his 
circle, sending him on a mission to Manchuria, instructing him to find out 
if Japanese militarists there planned to invade Northern China. He was also 
to determine how the inhabitants were reacting to Japanese occupation and, 
especially, what the Japanese and Chinese in the area thought about the 
Soviet Union. Within a few weeks, Kawai returned to Shanghai to deliver a 
detailed report to Sorge of conditions in Manchuria. Kawai was arrested a 
few days later by Japanese police who maintained order in the Japanese 
enclave in Shanghai and kept strict surveillance on their own nationals. As 
would be the case with almost all of Sorge's spies, Kawai proved his 
loyalty to his chief by telling nothing to the agents of Kempei Tai 
(Japanese secret police). He was soon released without ever mentioning 
Sorge or his mission in China.

Soviet spymasters in Moscow, at this time doubted Sorge's true value to 
them. They had assigned another spy, Ursula Ruth Kuczynski, one of the 
NKVD's cleverest agents who also used the cover of a journalist, to report 
on Sorge's progress. Though married, Kuczynski, a sensuous brunette, was 
always ready to employ her feminine wiles on behalf of the Communists, she 
being a fanatical follower of Marx and Lenin. Kuczynski reportedly struck 
up a relationship with Sorge when meeting Sorge at the Shanghai press club 
that became briefly more intimate, though she learned nothing from him.

Meanwhile, Moscow began carping about what it considered to be extravagant 
operating expenses and salaries for the Sorge ring but its doubts were soon 
dispelled. On January 28, 1932, the Japanese invaded Shanghai under the 
pretext that Chinese insurgents had attacked Japanese nationals in their 
enclave. The attacks had been staged by Eastern Jewel who had paid gangs of 
Chinese criminals to attack the Japanese and thus create the necessity for 
the invasion.

As Japanese troops battled the 19th Chinese Route Army in the streets and 
suburbs of Shanghai, Sorge learned from his contacts at the Japanese 
consulate that Japan's incursion was only the preliminary act to a 
full-scale war, which Japan intended to launch in gobbling up all of China. 
Members of his ring fed him information on Chinese troop dispositions at 
the time and Sorge himself witnessed the vicious street fighting in 
Shanghai between Japanese and Chinese troops. His long, detailed report in 
which he analyzed the inferiority of Chinese troops as to morale, equipment 
and leadership and the excellent condition and leadership of Japanese 
troops impressed GRU in Moscow.

Ozaki was recalled to Japan in early 1932, but the loss of the Soviet 
spymaster's most important link to high-level Japanese information was 
supplanted by many other contacts he had made, especially Kawai. Ozaki may 
have, at this time, been suspected of being a spy either for the Soviets 
or, more logically, the Kempei Tai or Special Service Organ. Chinese 
intelligence, headed by the indefatigable Morris Two Gun Cohen, believed 
Sorge was also a Soviet spy, as his abrupt departure suggested, but they 
could not prove it.

Sorge was too clever for his pursuers. For the next nine months he 
diligently applied himself as a journalist, writing lengthy, well-composed 
articles of a decidedly right-wing nature for his German newspaper. His 
published works cemented his relationship with the German Military Mission 
to Chiang Kai-shek. So impressed with these articles were the Germans that 
they arranged to have Sorge invited to Chiang's headquarters in Nanking 
where he met the generalissimo.

Chiang was friendly and outgoing toward Sorge. He viewed the man, on the 
advice of his spymaster Cohen, as an acceptable double agent, one whose 
leftist contacts in Shanghai suggested he was a Soviet spy but who, in 
reality, had merely set up these contacts to appear as such. Sorge, 
according to the Chinese and the Japanese secret police and intelligence 
services, was really a German agent pretending to be a Soviet agent 
pretending to be a working journalist. Sorge, of course, knew that he was 
suspected of

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by alien8 4:04pm Sat Nov 16 '02 (Modified on 9:18pm Sat Nov 16 '02)


Street battles are currently taking place in downtown Hamburg, Germany, 
following a large demonstration against the right-wing city council.

A 4000-strong demonstration with participants from a wide section of 
society started at around 1 pm. The demo participants expressed their 
disgust with the right-wing city government, which had evicted the 
'Bauwagenplatz' Bambule 2 weeks before and have since then deployed large 
numbers of riot police everywhere in town. When a few hours later the 
demonstration approached the former site of the Bambule in the 
neighbourhood 'Karoviertel', police tried to divide the demonstration with 
large numbers of riot police and attacked it with water cannons.

For a while groups of protesters resisted the attack, throwing stones and 
bottles, then moved back into the (traditionally, or rather: formerly) 
alternative, left-wing neighbourhood 'Schanzenviertel'. Barricades were 
erected, slowing down police movements. Groups of riot police and snatch 
squads started to run down streets and catch everyone they could. People 
living in houses along those streets commented these actions with shouts of 
Police, piss off!, We don't want you here!, We don't want police in 
our neighbourhood!. In some streets hundresd of people were shouting 
Bambule, Bambule!. Everywhere police was made clear that they had no 
support whatsoever by many of those living in the area.

During the past hour confrontations have spread into other parts of the 
city. There are snatch squads everywhere, some of them with dogs.

Today's demonstration follows a large number of demonstrations and actions 
which have taken place since the eviction of Bambule.

add your own comments

More info in english
by imcista 4:27pm Sat Nov 16 '02

For more information in English language about the Bambule eviction, and 
the two weeks of protests that followed in Hamburg see the IMC-UK feature 
in our World page:

uk.indymedia.org/index.php3?resist=globa...

Picket the German Embassy In Solidarity
by Harlequin 8:09pm Sat Nov 16 '02

Picket the German Embassy tommorrow in Solidarity with the protesters in 
Hamburg. Meet up at the German embassy 21-23 Belgrave Square tommorrow, 
Sunday 17th of November 5pm to 7pm! Spread the word!

 http://uk.indymedia.org/front.php3?article_id=46767group=webcast

cypherpunks@minder.net

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Appeal for night vision funds in Nepal.

I am contemplating giving up APster agitation,Revolution and rebellion 
should be carnival of the oppressed, not the bingo hall for the mindlessly 
dull.Not they I will ever join an authoritarian bunch of Guerilla's either 
but...

Despite my attacks on the lunacy of marxist leninism,like Al Qaida,I 
support FARC,ELN and various others that are just getting on with 
it...until they create state power.
Kathmandu Post, 16 November 2002
Full story: click.
The Maoists rebels today owned responsibility for the killing of two 
security personnel working for the US Embassy in Kathmandu.

A statement issued on behalf of the Maoists which bore sign of Vijay, the 
Valley Area Bureau chief, said killing of Deepak Pokherel last week and 
Ramesh Manandhar few weeks ago were carried by Maoists on evidence that 
they were spying on the rebels.

The rebels, however, disowned any role in alleged bomb throwing incident in 
the residence of Dr. Keshar Jung Rayamajhi, Chairman of Raj Parishad 
Standing Committee on Wednesday morning and demanded a probe into it.

The clarification, however, comes with an unprecedented warning to 
diplomatic missions, general public, journalists and artists not to 
propagate against the people's war.

Although our policy is not to attack our critics and political rivals, 
those acting against people's war under any cover would not be spared, 
said the statement. The US Embassy was specifically mentioned to understand 
this view.

The Maoists have also warned artist Santosh Panta, who is an honorary 
Subedar in the Royal Nepalese Army, for his alleged involvement in 
production and publicity of anti-people's war propaganda. They have asked 
Panta to resign from Department of Military Intelligence (DMI) within 7 
days.
http://nepalsolidarity.net/
Kathmandu Post, 16 November 2002
Full story: click.
Over 300 rebels killed in Jumla alone, claims government
From Navaraj Shahi in Jumla, Ishwori Neupane in Gorkha  Motilal Poudel in 
Surkhet

At least 60 security personnel - 37 in Jumla and 23 in Gorkha districts - 
as well as three civilians lost their lives in fierce encounter with the 
Maoists last night.

While encounter in Gorkhaâ??s Takukot was apparently unevenly matched as 
rebels far outnumbered the police, the government authorities claimed that 
as many as 300 rebels and ordinary people used as human shield by the 
Maoists might have died in the crossfire in Jumla. However, in a press 
statement, the Defence Ministry confirmed the deaths of 55 rebels.

In Gorkha, while 23 policemen died on the spot, eight more were seriously 
wounded.

Khalanga town, the district headquarters of Jumla, came under siege of the 
Maoists around 10 o'clock last night. The police as well as military 
personnel were locked up in a fierce encounter with well-armed Maoists, 
estimated to be around 4,000 in number.

The night vision helicopters which took off for additional support to the 
fighting force, however, could not land because of bad weather and poor 
visibility caused by thick smoke coming out of the buildings, mostly 
government offices which Maoists has set ablaze.

In the battle that follows, top civil administrator - Chief District 
Officer Damadar Pant along with two Deputy Superintendents of Police Shiva 
Narayan Mandal and Vijayaswor Ghimire - lost their lives while the district 
judge is missing.

The military, which ultimately repelled the Maoists in the morning almost 
after eight hours of battle, saw four soldiers dead with 14 others wounded. 
All the injured personnel were airlifted to Nepalgunj and Kathmandu for 
treatment on Friday morning.

They were able to recover few Self Loading Rifles along with seven 303 
rifles, one shotgun and seven country-made guns from the fleeing rebels.

Inspector General of Police (IGP) Pradeep Shumsher JBR who was in Nepalgunj 
rushed to Khalanga for an on-the-spot assessment of the situation on Friday.

News bulletin from the Police Headquarters in Kathmandu confirmed the death 
of 33 policemen. Two employees of the National Investigation Department and 
a peon at the Land Revenue Office were the civilians who were killed in the 
crossfire.

Most of the rebels are suspected to have been killed after the night vision 
helicopters began aerial offensives against the rebels. A combined force of 
the security personnel has been mobilised to hunt down the rebels in and 
around the area.

The rebels surrounded the district headquarters of Khalnga and launched 
simultaneous attacks at security bases - an army barrack, Armed Police 
Force base, Regional Police Unit and District Police Office - from all 
sides, reported our reporter there, quoting security sources.

The rebels set ablaze the District Administration Office, District Police 
Office, Land Revenue Office, Jumla Airport Tower, a barrack of Armed Police 
Force, Regional Police Unit and local branch office of Rastriya Banijya 
Bank. The rebels also ransacked Rs. 2.1 million in cash and valuables worth 
Rs.

OPPOSE THE WAR! We are going to ruin Iraq to get the oil. Who's next?

2002-11-16 Thread GaryJeffers

My Fellow Cypherpunks,

Sunder says:


In the end, that will produce far more terrorists than we have seen todate, more of our freedoms
 will be taken away unil an equilibrium ofrights will exist between the USA and dictatorships like Iraq.Luckily there's only two more years before the next election...

 About "...produce far more terrorists...". The truth is much more horrible. 9/11 appears to have been
 done by the centralized power ruling elites. 9/11 was no
attempt at freedom by desperate oppressed people. It was another "Reischteg fire" - done to centralize power. The OK bombing also was a ruling elite
operation. I suspect the Bali bombing was too. These too were done to centralize power.

 About "...Only two more years before the next election" . You are joking, right? 
THE RACHET EFFECT - Mostly, when we lose ability to express rights, we don't get them back.
Also, I thought Clinton was the worst. I thought Bush would be a breath of fresh air. Wrong! Clinton only wanted to take as much as he could
get. Bush wants to take everything we have!

 Another vehicle must be made to enforce rights. - just voting doesn't work. Possibly a grass roots movement with a great creed. Note: Libertarinism
failed and socialism is no good either. Something else must be invented.

Yours Truly,
Gary Jeffers

BEAT STATE!!!
AND THE RULING ELITES!

Re: Yet another attempt to defraud egold!

2002-11-16 Thread jdean

I got one of the scam emails.  I haven't been a member of the
Cypherpunks mailing list for years.  But, I have posted to the
list.  I suspect the scammer harvested the addresses from
http://www.inet-one.com/cypherpunks/.

Re: News: House votes life sentences for hackers (fwd)

On Fri, Nov 15, 2002 at 12:11:35PM -0500, Declan McCullagh wrote:
 On Fri, Nov 15, 2002 at 10:09:37AM -0500, Tyler Durden wrote:
  Holy Shit!
  
  Does that mean that some 18-year-old script kiddie could get LIFE?
 
 Yes, that's what the law says. Has to be a malicious attack, etc. I linked
 to the text of the bill -- you may want to read the gory details for yourself.
 
 -Declan

I might hasten to add that as I am sure Declan knows, this
addition to the Homeland Defense Act also includes the CSEA provisions
that turn hobby listening to certain easy to receive but off limit
radio signals from an offense with a maximum penalty of a $500 fine
to a federal felony with 5 years in prison as penalty.

When this legislation is signed into law ANY violation of the
radio listening bans in the ECPA will be a serious felony, no lesser
penalty for the first offense or because the intercept was done out of
curiosity or the desire to experiment with radio gear.  And no lesser
penalty because the offense was not for private financial gain or
commercial advantage or in furtherance of a crime as the current law
allows.

What this means is that while one would have been hard pressed
to do more than commit a federal offense with a $500 fine by purchasing
a scanner or receiver from Radio Shack and tuning around just to see
what one hears, one can now commit a serious felony by doing this
extremely easily.   The radio spectrum allocations in use at the moment
are arcane and complex, and making sure that everything one listens to
is legal requires a great deal more FCC and ECPA knowlage that most of
the public possesses.

An example of this is that the ECPA currently includes an
obscure ban on listening to broadcast remote pickup signals used to
relay audio back to the studio from remote sites like traffic helos.   
So  tuning in the traffic helo feeds to find out about the traffic jam
ahead will be technically a serious federal felony.  And many of these
signals are intermixed cheek to jowl with legal to listen to police and
other public safety and business communications, so it is not that
easy to be sure which is which.

And certainly anyone reading my words here must realize that
such draconian and essentially unenforcable laws will only be used
in selective prosecutions to squash those the government doesn't 
approve of... they certainly won't increase communications privacy
or security and may in fact decrease it if they allow the draconian
penalties to be used as an excuse for not spending the money to
implement secure and effective encryption of anything sensitive
flowing over a radio link.




-- 
Dave Emery N1PRE,  [EMAIL PROTECTED]  DIE Consulting, Weston, Mass. 
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Re: [fc] list of papers accepted to FC'03

2002-11-16 Thread Ben Laurie

Tim May wrote:

On Friday, November 15, 2002, at 07:55  AM, IanG wrote:
--



I see pretty much a standard list of crypto papers
here, albeit crypto with a waving of finance salt.

What ever happened to Financial Cryptography?  The
organisers did say they were going to look at wider
accessibility for the coming year, but I see only
these papers that are, from the titles at least,
anything that speaks to non-cryptographers:



...list of a few slightly interesting-sounding papers elided...


Even they're a stretch.  All are specialised, and
none are of interest to the non-deep-techies.

On a related front, how much interest is there in
running EFCE this coming June?



Is the conference still being held on an expensive Caribbean island?

I've never been to an FC Conference, for various reasons. Certainly one 
of them is that I have things I'd rather buy with the $3000 I'd have to 
spend if I attended.

My speculation, not having attended but having talked to people who 
have, is that the conference is a junket, a reason to go to Caribbean 
during the winter. Fine, if IBM or Citicorp is paying. A nice, untaxable 
fringe benefit.  Not so fine for hackers and people like us.

For that, there's the Codecon in SF which Bram and Len and others are 
involved in.

EFCE is pretty much CodeCon for FC (though it might be fairer to but it 
the other way round, since EFCE came first).

Cheers,

Ben.

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Re: [Htech] Lying With Pixels (fwd)

At 04:37 PM 11/16/2002 +0100, Eugen Leitl wrote:

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Date: Sat, 16 Nov 2002 09:28:46 -0600 (CST)
From: Premise Checker [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: [Htech] Lying With Pixels

Jul/Aug 00: Lying With Pixels
http://www2.bc.edu/~okeefew/349/rfppixels.htm

Request for Proposal

  MT 349 Fall 2002
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 July/August 2000

 Lying With Pixels

 Seeing is no longer believing. The image you see on the evening
 news could well be a fake -a fabrication of fast new
 video-manipulation technology.

International distributors in Hollywood will love this, for a 
time.  Combined Video Rewrite with VoxWorks' ReelVoice
  ^ 
oops
http://www.forbes.com/2002/08/14/0814tentech.html and the problem of 
international films making it in the U.S. or vice versa abroad my be solved.

steve

Does the app exist...

2002-11-16 Thread Tyler Durden

I'm looking for an application that sits on a webserver and receives 
encrypted images and audio, de-encrypts them, and auto-posts the images. 
This application will have a public key which on-the-ground videographers 
(or uploaders) can use. But it's private key no human being knows.

The application here is that an uploader doesn't want to get caught with an 
intercepted message as proof that they were illegally transmitting images. 
AND, the authorities won't be able to beat the key out of the uploader so as 
to use it to ever determine what was actually sent...

TD


Thunderbirds are go!




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