CAPPS II in the news - Business case has CAPPS at risk

2003-03-26 Thread Bill Stewart
Government already has too many watch lists, eh?

http://www.fcw.com/fcw/articles/2003/0324/web-capps-03-25-03.asp

Business case has CAPPS at risk

BY Diane Frank  [EMAIL PROTECTED]   March 25, 2003

Money is far from certain for the Transportation Security Administration's 
proposed system to screen airline passengers, said Mark Forman, the Office 
of Management and Budget's associate director for information technology 
and e-government.

The business case for the Computer Assisted Passenger Prescreening System 
II is one of hundreds on OMB's at risk list for fiscal 2004, meaning that 
OMB can and will hold money for the system until the business case has met 
investment planning requirements, Forman said March 25.
...snip...
One of the main issues with the business case is that OMB is looking for a 
risk-based approach to screening passengers rather than another version of 
a watch list, Forman said. Government already has too many watch lists, and 
there has to be a more effective way for TSA to determine which passengers 
truly pose a risk, Forman said
...snip...
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Re: Things are looking better all the time

2003-03-26 Thread Bill Stewart
At 04:14 PM 03/26/2003 +1200, Peter Gutmann wrote:
The RAF used an EFP in 1989 to assassinate the chairman of Deutsche Bank
I assume that's some Italian or German group's acronym
and not Britain's Royal Air Force?  :-)
(Besides, I thought assassinations were usually an SAS
(Special Air Service, not Scandinavian Airlines) thing...)


Re: faking WMD evidence

2003-03-26 Thread Tim May
On Tuesday, March 25, 2003, at 04:51  PM, Bill Stewart wrote:
Yeah, like that'll not only get lots of cooperation out of all the 
spooks,
but I'm sure it'll also result in the FBI being highly motivated to 
probe deeply
and tell Congress everything it finds out...  At least when the KGB
investigated other parts of the KGB, they could find out who lied,
who knew they lied, and shoot them all to cover up their tracks.
When the KGB or GRU discovered such behavior, the M.O. was to strap the 
offender onto a plank and then slowly push him feet first into an 
incinerator.

I would recommend the same thing for the FBI, CIA, DIA, ONI, and NSA 
directors, except they all have earned such treatment.

Why doesn't a freedom fighter do something bold like fly a loaded 
jetliner into the Pentagon?

Oh, you mean someone tried that?

--Tim May
The Constitution is a radical document...it is the job of the 
government to rein in people's rights. --President William J. Clinton



Re: Boycotting the Unwilling

2003-03-26 Thread Major Variola (ret)
At 07:12 PM 3/25/03 -0800, Tim May wrote:
Granted, neither you nor I will be jailed for refusing to buy Matzah
balls made in the Zionist Entity, but the point is that the law says we

_could_ be jailed for boycotting. Naturally, the law is applied to
those most visible.

What use is a victimless-crime law if you can't use it to harass?

Try using both voice and action (long time readers know the
hazards of mixing these) ---e.g., actively publicize a boycott
on .il items, get a Mom  Pop grocery to go along, and see how much
freedom we have here.

Extra points if you dress as Amerinds (or US Military :-)
and dump a few boxes of Manichewitz into Boston Harbor.

---
Sacred COWs marching
down well-trodden corridors into the valley of steel
Hilal slaughter



Re: Things are looking better all the time

2003-03-26 Thread Peter Gutmann
Steve Schear [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:

I seem to recall that with sufficient knowledge and commonly available
detonators shaped explosive charges can be configured to hurl heavy
explosive payloads, much like a mortar, with fair accuracy, great distance
or very high velocity.  I can't seem to find the reference on-line but I
vaguely recall that a 50kg payload could be accelerated to multi-mach
speeds with a device that could be placed in a car trunk.  A poor man's
howitzer.

It sounds like you're talking about explosively formed projectiles (EFPs),
which are a means of creating high-velocity (several km/s) light projectiles,
chiefly useful for armour penetration.  Because of the way it works, it can't
hurl heavy explosive payloads (neither heavy, not explosive).  It's been
around for awhile, but the first technology demonstrators didn't surface until
the 1980s (Germany and France), and it's only starting to be adopted now (very
tricky technology to get right).  The RAF used an EFP in 1989 to assassinate
the chairman of Deutsche Bank (it's typically reported as being a car bomb,
but was actually done by parking a pushbike with a small bag on the back next
to the road where the car was to pass.  The projectile punched through the
side of his armoured limo and killed him, but left everyone else alive.  This
is one of those feats which, if you had asked experts in 1989, would have told
you was impossible to do).

Peter.



RE: Things are looking better all the time

2003-03-26 Thread John Kelsey
At 04:37 AM 3/25/03 +0100, Lucky Green wrote:
...
If any terrorists had nukes, why have they not used them so far?
Suppose you only have one, it was really hard to get, and you're not sure 
how much of your US network has been turned, or at least placed under heavy 
surveilance?  Maybe you wait until you are really sure you can succeed 
before you use it.

Alternatively, we have no way of knowing how often terrorists have tried to 
use nukes, but been stopped one way or another.  Maybe the Russians sold 
them very convincing duds.  Maybe the FBI caught them and disarmed the 
bombs before they went off.

And for a third alternative, it's quite possible (I don't know how likely) 
that one or more groups have smuggled nukes into the US, planted them in US 
cities, and offered proof to the US government, as a way of establishing a 
nuclear deterrent.  (C.f. Ross Anderson's Guy Fawkes Protocol.)

There are pretty obvious reasons why the US government might not announce 
either of the last two cases, and why the terrorist group of your choice 
wouldn't announce we have a bomb until they had the thing planted where 
they wanted it.

--Lucky
--John Kelsey, [EMAIL PROTECTED]



Re: US may fabricate discovery of WMD

2003-03-26 Thread Tim May
On Tuesday, March 25, 2003, at 11:10  AM, stuart wrote:

From Radio Free Europe/Radio Liberty:
...AS OTHERS LAUNCH PREEMPTIVE INFORMATION STRIKE AGAINST U.S. The
United States might fabricate the discovery of weapons of mass
destruction in Iraq or create evidence that Baghdad has been
operating prohibited weapons programs, an unidentified Russian
military expert was quoted by RIA-Novosti as saying on 24 March.
Academician Yevgenii Velikhov, director of the Kurchatov Nuclear
Center, told strana.ru on 24 March that if the United States finds
no weapons of mass destruction in Iraq, it is possible they will drum
up proof of their existence. Velikhov noted that it is very
difficult to determine the origin of some nuclear-weapons components
such as uranium-235, particularly because they are prepared under
the supervision of the security services. VY
http://www.rferl.org/newsline/fulltext.asp

Funny, we just mentioned that.
Not just this, as it's a point obvious to a lot of people (*), but we 
can quite easily use Pu-239 and other radioisotopes that are 
unambiguously traceable to a French nuclear reactor, thus killing two 
birds with one stone.

(* Anyone who knows about flaps and seals (cr. Kahn's The 
Codebreakers and Bamford's The Puzzle Palace) knows that all major 
intelligence agencies have entire departments devoted to forging 
documents, faking evidence, creating false legends, and spreading 
disinformation. The American CIA, DIA, FBI, ONI, and other groups are 
quite capable of producing fake cargo manifest, fake credentials, fakes 
of all other kinds, and of planting faked evidence. For those who don't 
read, the television show The Agency has the generation of faked 
evidence as a plot element almost every week, and the CIA has endorsed 
the show as being helpful to the Coalition of the Willing cause.)

--Tim May
Dogs can't conceive of a group of cats without an alpha cat. --David 
Honig, on the Cypherpunks list, 2001-11



RE: U.S. Drops 'E-Bomb' On Iraqi TV

2003-03-26 Thread Trei, Peter
 Sarad AV[SMTP:[EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
 
 hi,
 
 it doesnt matter as long as Al-Jazeera is live and
 kicking and the camera's are rolling.
 
 The highly classified bomb creates a brief pulse of
  microwaves powerful enough to fry computers, blind
  radar, silence radios, trigger crippling power
  outages and disable the electronic ignitions in
  vehicles and aircraft. 
 
 the existance of such a bomb was on indian news papers
 a week ago.
 
 Regards Sarath.
 
 
It was also in Newsweek. It's existence is well known. What
is not is it's construction, size, or effectiveness.

Peter



Re: CDR: Boycotting the Unwilling

2003-03-26 Thread J.A. Terranson

On Tue, 25 Mar 2003, Eric Cordian wrote:

 Correct me if I'm wrong, but the US will happily throw Americans in prison
 for refusing to do business with Israel, because Congress has made it
 illegal to support any boycott of the Beanie-Headed Land Grabbers.

Hrmmm.. Got a citation for this one?  As far out in the land of the clueless
Shrub may in fact be, I have yet to see anything that declares Israel a
protected class.  Of course, I could have missed it...

I'd really like to see a citation if you can find one.


 Seems like a bit of a double standard to me.

This is the U.S.: we live and die by the double standard.


-- 
Yours, 
J.A. Terranson
[EMAIL PROTECTED]






RE: U.S. Drops 'E-Bomb' On Iraqi TV

2003-03-26 Thread Tyler Durden
Has anyone ever heard of that carbon filament soft bomb that's designed to 
spread wispy carbon filaments over power plants? I've even seen a photo of 
the aftermath of one of these things...






From: Trei, Peter [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED], 'Sarad AV' [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: RE: U.S. Drops 'E-Bomb' On Iraqi TV
Date: Wed, 26 Mar 2003 09:40:00 -0500
 Sarad AV[SMTP:[EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:

 hi,

 it doesnt matter as long as Al-Jazeera is live and
 kicking and the camera's are rolling.

 The highly classified bomb creates a brief pulse of
  microwaves powerful enough to fry computers, blind
  radar, silence radios, trigger crippling power
  outages and disable the electronic ignitions in
  vehicles and aircraft.

 the existance of such a bomb was on indian news papers
 a week ago.

 Regards Sarath.


It was also in Newsweek. It's existence is well known. What
is not is it's construction, size, or effectiveness.
Peter


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Re: US may fabricate discovery of WMD

2003-03-26 Thread Eugen Leitl
On Wed, 26 Mar 2003, Ken Brown wrote:

 In the unlikely event that the North Koreans wanted to send a nuke to
 the USA, they might not need an ICBM. Just bribe or otherwise subvert a

It would be a shipment running some risk of detection, especially given a
hot warhead, which is difficult to shield. IIRC there's been recently some
false alarm raised by a contaminated scrap metal shipment in the US (scrap
metal is usually contaminated by medical and industrial Co 60 sources
processed by mistake, this batch must have been particularly hot).

 few shipping clerks in South Korea or China and get them shipped over in
 a container of tractor parts. (Or as Tim said a few months ago, send
 them with the regular shipments of cocaine - though that would involve
 first getting them from North Korea to somewhere that actually has an
 agriculture)



Re: U.S. Drops 'E-Bomb' On Iraqi TV

2003-03-26 Thread Major Variola (ret)
At 10:41 PM 3/25/03 -0500, R. A. Hettinga wrote:
...from the Leg-HERFing department...

Cheers,
RAH
Who expects it was just a bomb-bomb, Jim. They came back with a bigger
one, just now.

Yep.  The COW needs the TVs to broadcast our message.  Also we don't
trust the infiltrated spec-ops radios not to get toasted.  And the cell
phones are useful too.

---
Ballet is not Lorentz invariant.  It is choreographed so that dancers
make simultaneous
movements in the frame of the audience  -Jack Wisdom Swimming in
Spacetime _Science_ 21 Mar 03



Re: US may fabricate discovery of WMD

2003-03-26 Thread Ken Brown
Tim May wrote:

[...]

 The American CIA, DIA, FBI, ONI, and other groups are
 quite capable of producing fake cargo manifest, fake credentials, fakes
 of all other kinds, and of planting faked evidence.

The kind of people who sell foreign foods to corner shops and ethnic
restaurants are capable of faking most of that. I have it on reliable
authority (from people who have used the service) that at least one
well-known Japanese shipping company you'll probably have heard of will
fake bills of lading for 25 dollars.  The people I met  who used this
service also (quite legally) faked EU origin for goods of axis-of-evil
origin for import into the USA by landing them in Britain or Holland,
and repacking in a new container.  

So that explains why so much Asian-style food seems to come from the
Netherlands - and there I was thinking it was down to the Dutch skill at
high-tech intensive agriculture :-)

I'd guess that a few transactions like that in series could hide pretty
well anything in a sort of real-world mixmaster. It would be traceable
by a determined effort, but probably not by the effort most journalists,
or even small-country police forces would be able to put in, especially
if the the paper trail or the real route went through some pairs of
states that don't want to be seen talking to each other in public.


In the unlikely event that the North Koreans wanted to send a nuke to
the USA, they might not need an ICBM. Just bribe or otherwise subvert a
few shipping clerks in South Korea or China and get them shipped over in
a container of tractor parts. (Or as Tim said a few months ago, send
them with the regular shipments of cocaine - though that would involve
first getting them from North Korea to somewhere that actually has an
agriculture)



Re: U.S. Drops 'E-Bomb' On Iraqi TV

2003-03-26 Thread Sunder
It's now been changed to the following.  Did you manage to save a copy you
can forward back to the list? :)


Baghdad Targets Under Fire
March 26, 2003


Coalition forces struck Baghdad again Wednesday, hitting targets
associated with Iraq's intelligence service and state television . and
killing 14 people in a residential area, Iraq claimed.

U.S. Central Command said it had no information on the Iraqi claim, but
asserted again that it was using precision weapons aimed only at regime
targets.

We have a very, very deliberate process for targets. It takes into
account all science. It takes into account all
possibilities, Brig. Gen. Vincent Brooks said at a press conference at
Central Command headquarters in Doha, Qatar. We only target things that
have military significance.

Meanwhile, some intelligence sources said a large contingent of Iraq's
elite Republican Guard, including 1,000 vehicles, was headed toward
U.S. troops in central Iraq. But U.S. Central Command denied any movement
was seen.

The area in question already has seen the heaviest fighting of the
war. U.S. officials say American troops with the 7th Cavalry killed up to
500 Iraqi fighters Tuesday and Wednesday in fighting around the central
Iraq city of Najaf.



 ...from the Leg-HERFing department...
 
 Cheers,
 RAH
 Who expects it was just a bomb-bomb, Jim. They came back with a bigger one, just now.
 ---
 
 
 
 
 http://www.cbsnews.com/stories/2003/02/24/iraq/printable541815.shtml
 
 CBSNews.com: Print This Story
 
 U.S. Drops 'E-Bomb' On Iraqi TV 
 March 25, 2003 
 
 
 The U.S. Air Force has hit Iraqi TV with an experimental electronmagetic pulse 
 device called the E-Bomb in an attempt to knock it off the air and shut down 
 Saddam Hussein's propaganda machine, CBS News Correspondent David Martin reports. 
 
 The highly classified bomb creates a brief pulse of microwaves powerful enough to 
 fry computers, blind radar, silence radios, trigger crippling power outages and 
 disable the electronic ignitions in vehicles and aircraft. 
 
 Iraqi satellite TV, which broadcasts 24 hours a day outside Iraq, went off the air 
 around 4:30 a.m. local time (8:30 p.m. ET Tuesday). Iraq's domestic television 
 service was not broadcasting at the time. 
 
 Officially, the Pentagon does not acknowledge the weapon's existence. Asked about it 
 at a March 5 news conference at the Pentagon, Gen. Tommy Franks said: 3I can't talk 
 to you about that because I don't know anything about it.2 
 
 The use of the secret weapon came on a day that saw intense action on the 
 battlefield. The Pentagon said the U.S. Seventh Cavalry killed between 150 and 500 
 Iraqis after being attacked by rocket-propelled grenades near An Najaf in central 
 Iraq. There are no reported American casualties. 
 
 In other major developments: 
 snip...
 
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 [predicting the end of the world] has not been found agreeable to
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Re: Things are looking better all the time

2003-03-26 Thread Tim May
On Tuesday, March 25, 2003, at 03:30  AM, Ken Brown wrote:

Declan McCullagh wrote:

Or perhaps we'll see someone take a GPS-controlled small plane, which
can carry 1,000 lbs, and turn it into a flying bomb or delivery 
system
for something quite noxious. These planes can be rented by the hour 
at
hundreds of small to medium sized airports around the U.S. Though I
don't know if the autopilot is configurable enough to let an attacker
program it to head to a certain altitude at a certain location and
then bail out via parachute.
Another novel that came out with the idea - and the first one to
explicitly mention GPS AFAIR - was The Moon Goddess and the Son by
Donald Kingsbury from 1987 (incorporating parts from stories in Analog
back in the 1970s)  which has an Afghan refugee studying aero
engineering  in the US and setting up light planes to autopilot an
attack on the Kremlin.  (To be honest when I first heard the news about
9/11 that's what I thought might have happened -  until I saw a TV
screen I didn't realise they were passenger planes)
And of course it was in 1987 that the German teenager Matthias Rust 
flew a Cessna over the border into the USSR and buzzed Red Square, so 
it's not clear who had the idea first.

(I remember the name but not the year, so I used Google to find it.)

The general idea of using asymmetric warfare, via RC planes, bombs, 
etc., is really not very new. Torching an enemy's village in the middle 
of the night is a time-honored form of asymmetric warfare, though the 
War Lawyers have been trying to force armies to wear Official Uniforms 
and march in Official Patterns.

--Tim May
That the said Constitution shall never be construed to authorize 
Congress to infringe the just liberty of the press or the rights of 
conscience; or to prevent the people of the United States who are 
peaceable citizens from keeping their own arms. --Samuel Adams



Re: U.S. Drops 'E-Bomb' On Iraqi TV

2003-03-26 Thread Sarad AV
hi,

it doesnt matter as long as Al-Jazeera is live and
kicking and the camera's are rolling.

The highly classified bomb creates a brief pulse of
 microwaves powerful enough to fry computers, blind
 radar, silence radios, trigger crippling power
 outages and disable the electronic ignitions in
 vehicles and aircraft. 

the existance of such a bomb was on indian news papers
a week ago.

Regards Sarath.



--- R. A. Hettinga [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 ...from the Leg-HERFing department...
 
 Cheers,
 RAH
 Who expects it was just a bomb-bomb, Jim. They came
 back with a bigger one, just now.
 ---
 
 
 
 

http://www.cbsnews.com/stories/2003/02/24/iraq/printable541815.shtml
 
 CBSNews.com: Print This Story
 
 U.S. Drops 'E-Bomb' On Iraqi TV 
 March 25, 2003 
 
 
 The U.S. Air Force has hit Iraqi TV with an
 experimental electronmagetic pulse device called the
 E-Bomb in an attempt to knock it off the air and
 shut down Saddam Hussein's propaganda machine, CBS
 News Correspondent David Martin reports. 
 
 The highly classified bomb creates a brief pulse of
 microwaves powerful enough to fry computers, blind
 radar, silence radios, trigger crippling power
 outages and disable the electronic ignitions in
 vehicles and aircraft. 
 
 Iraqi satellite TV, which broadcasts 24 hours a day
 outside Iraq, went off the air around 4:30 a.m.
 local time (8:30 p.m. ET Tuesday). Iraq's domestic
 television service was not broadcasting at the time.
 
 
 Officially, the Pentagon does not acknowledge the
 weapon's existence. Asked about it at a March 5 news
 conference at the Pentagon, Gen. Tommy Franks said:
 3I can't talk to you about that because I don't know
 anything about it.2 
 
 The use of the secret weapon came on a day that saw
 intense action on the battlefield. The Pentagon said
 the U.S. Seventh Cavalry killed between 150 and 500
 Iraqis after being attacked by rocket-propelled
 grenades near An Najaf in central Iraq. There are no
 reported American casualties. 
 
 In other major developments: 
 snip...
 
 -- 
 -
 R. A. Hettinga mailto: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
 The Internet Bearer Underwriting Corporation
 http://www.ibuc.com/
 44 Farquhar Street, Boston, MA 02131 USA
 ... however it may deserve respect for its
 usefulness and antiquity,
 [predicting the end of the world] has not been found
 agreeable to
 experience. -- Edward Gibbon, 'Decline and Fall of
 the Roman Empire'
 


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Re: Things are looking better all the time

2003-03-26 Thread Sarad AV
hi,

They are not working very well or US since the iraqi's
are using gps jammers and US are already in a row with
russians claiming that they sold it to iraq.

Regards Sarath.

--- Tim May [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 On Tuesday, March 25, 2003, at 03:30  AM, Ken Brown
 wrote:
 
  Declan McCullagh wrote:
 
  Or perhaps we'll see someone take a
 GPS-controlled small plane, which
  can carry 1,000 lbs, and turn it into a flying
 bomb or delivery 
  system
  for something quite noxious. These planes can be
 rented by the hour 
  at
  hundreds of small to medium sized airports
 around the U.S. Though I
  don't know if the autopilot is configurable
 enough to let an attacker
  program it to head to a certain altitude at a
 certain location and
  then bail out via parachute.
 
  Another novel that came out with the idea - and
 the first one to
  explicitly mention GPS AFAIR - was The Moon
 Goddess and the Son by
  Donald Kingsbury from 1987 (incorporating parts
 from stories in Analog
  back in the 1970s)  which has an Afghan refugee
 studying aero
  engineering  in the US and setting up light planes
 to autopilot an
  attack on the Kremlin.  (To be honest when I first
 heard the news about
  9/11 that's what I thought might have happened - 
 until I saw a TV
  screen I didn't realise they were passenger
 planes)
 
 And of course it was in 1987 that the German
 teenager Matthias Rust 
 flew a Cessna over the border into the USSR and
 buzzed Red Square, so 
 it's not clear who had the idea first.
 
 (I remember the name but not the year, so I used
 Google to find it.)
 
 The general idea of using asymmetric warfare, via
 RC planes, bombs, 
 etc., is really not very new. Torching an enemy's
 village in the middle 
 of the night is a time-honored form of asymmetric
 warfare, though the 
 War Lawyers have been trying to force armies to wear
 Official Uniforms 
 and march in Official Patterns.
 
 
 --Tim May
 That the said Constitution shall never be construed
 to authorize 
 Congress to infringe the just liberty of the press
 or the rights of 
 conscience; or to prevent the people of the United
 States who are 
 peaceable citizens from keeping their own arms.
 --Samuel Adams
 


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Re: Things are looking better all the time

2003-03-26 Thread Ken Brown
Bill Stewart wrote:
 
 At 04:14 PM 03/26/2003 +1200, Peter Gutmann wrote:
 The RAF used an EFP in 1989 to assassinate the chairman of Deutsche Bank
 
 I assume that's some Italian or German group's acronym
 and not Britain's Royal Air Force?  :-)
 (Besides, I thought assassinations were usually an SAS
 (Special Air Service, not Scandinavian Airlines) thing...)

Red Army Fraction (As Germans I suppose it would be something like Rote
Armee Fraktion?)

Most people called them faction in English but they preferred
fraction as it was meant  to imply that they were only a small part of
a vast army of workers et.c   They weren't, of course.  

Bloody heck, they even have a web site: http://www.rafinfo.de/

More often called Baader Meinhof Gang presumably because Ulrike
Meinbhof looked sexier than most terrorists.

And yes, http://www.baader-meinhof.com/ exists - though it seems to be a
fan site.  So now we have assasination groupies.



Illegal to refuse to sell to Israel (was Re: Boycotting the Unwilling)

2003-03-26 Thread J.A. Terranson

On Tue, 25 Mar 2003, Neil Johnson wrote:

 On Tuesday 25 March 2003 08:36 pm, J.A. Terranson wrote:
  On Tue, 25 Mar 2003, Eric Cordian wrote:
   Correct me if I'm wrong, but the US will happily throw Americans in
   prison for refusing to do business with Israel, because Congress has made
   it illegal to support any boycott of the Beanie-Headed Land Grabbers.
 
  Hrmmm.. Got a citation for this one?  As far out in the land of the
  clueless Shrub may in fact be, I have yet to see anything that declares
  Israel a protected class.  Of course, I could have missed it...
 
  I'd really like to see a citation if you can find one.
 
   Seems like a bit of a double standard to me.
 
  This is the U.S.: we live and die by the double standard.
 
 
 A Google search turns up this straight from our crypto export control friends:
 
 http://www.bxa.doc.gov/AntiboycottCompliance/OACRequirements.html

First, thank you for this link.   Second, I am *dumbfounded*, even as a known
cynic, that this law could have survived a court challenge, or, even have
made it onto the books!  I mean, hell, I'm speechless: which is a big thing
for someone with a mouth as big as mine... 

And to think, all these years I've been in non-compliance, and didn't even
know it.  Bah!  Had I known, I could have worn it as a badge of honor!


-- 
Yours, 
J.A. Terranson
[EMAIL PROTECTED]






Re: Boycotting the Unwilling

2003-03-26 Thread Tim May
On Tuesday, March 25, 2003, at 06:36  PM, J.A. Terranson wrote:

On Tue, 25 Mar 2003, Eric Cordian wrote:

Correct me if I'm wrong, but the US will happily throw Americans in 
prison
for refusing to do business with Israel, because Congress has made it
illegal to support any boycott of the Beanie-Headed Land Grabbers.
Hrmmm.. Got a citation for this one?  As far out in the land of the 
clueless
Shrub may in fact be, I have yet to see anything that declares Israel a
protected class.  Of course, I could have missed it...

I'd really like to see a citation if you can find one.



http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/business/2403303.stm

...amongst many other items reporting on the Arab boycott of Israel.

The United States has threatened to fine US companies that take part 
in an Arab lead economic boycott of Israel.

The US government is strongly opposed to restrictive trade practices 
or boycotts targeted at Israel, said Undersecretary of Commerce for 
Industry and Security Kenneth Juster.

...
US laws ban the participation by US nationals and companies in 
unsanctioned foreign government trade boycotts, especially the Arab 
League's boycott of Israel. 

This has been common knowledge for a long time. Note the bans the 
participation by US nationals point.

Granted, neither you nor I will be jailed for refusing to buy Matzah 
balls made in the Zionist Entity, but the point is that the law says we 
_could_ be jailed for boycotting. Naturally, the law is applied to 
those most visible.

Time for the Zionist Entity to go. I hope they can swim, and keep 
swimming. Disposing of five million corpses is a big effort to expect 
from Palestinians trying to get back to their farms and shops and homes 
taken by the European and American Jews who invaded.

--Tim May
He who fights with monsters might take care lest he thereby become a 
monster. And if you gaze for long into an abyss, the abyss gazes also 
into you. -- Nietzsche



Re: Boycotting the Unwilling

2003-03-26 Thread Neil Johnson
On Tuesday 25 March 2003 08:36 pm, J.A. Terranson wrote:
 On Tue, 25 Mar 2003, Eric Cordian wrote:
  Correct me if I'm wrong, but the US will happily throw Americans in
  prison for refusing to do business with Israel, because Congress has made
  it illegal to support any boycott of the Beanie-Headed Land Grabbers.

 Hrmmm.. Got a citation for this one?  As far out in the land of the
 clueless Shrub may in fact be, I have yet to see anything that declares
 Israel a protected class.  Of course, I could have missed it...

 I'd really like to see a citation if you can find one.

  Seems like a bit of a double standard to me.

 This is the U.S.: we live and die by the double standard.


A Google search turns up this straight from our crypto export control friends:

http://www.bxa.doc.gov/AntiboycottCompliance/OACRequirements.html



-- 
Neil Johnson
http://www.njohnsn.com
PGP key available on request.



Re: CDR: Boycotting the Unwilling

2003-03-26 Thread Eric Cordian
J.A. Terranson wrote:

  Correct me if I'm wrong, but the US will happily throw Americans in prison
  for refusing to do business with Israel, because Congress has made it
  illegal to support any boycott of the Beanie-Headed Land Grabbers.

 Hrmmm.. Got a citation for this one?  As far out in the land of the clueless
 Shrub may in fact be, I have yet to see anything that declares Israel a
 protected class.  Of course, I could have missed it...

 I'd really like to see a citation if you can find one.

Not only is there legislation against US companies boycotting Israel, but
apparently, the Jews even have their own Office of Anti-Boycott Compliance
(OAC) within the US Department of Commerce.

Here are the results of some Googling.

-

COMPANY : L'OREAL

After being fined $1.4 million by the US in 1995 for writing a letter to
the Arab League claiming that they had stopped production in Israel, they
have been engaged in actively courting Israel with investments and
large-scale commerce.

The American Jewish Congress has expressed keen satisfaction that L'Oreal
has become a warm friend of Israel

[Or at the very least, they are toadying lest another $1.4 million be
 picked from their pockets.  -emc]

-

In 1977, Congress prohibited U.S. companies from cooperating with the Arab
boycott. When President Carter signed the law, he said the issue goes to
the very heart of free trade among nations and that it was designed to
end the divisive effects on American life of foreign boycotts aimed at
Jewish members of our society.

-

http://www.bxa.doc.gov/AntiboycottCompliance/OACRequirements.html

 What do the Laws Prohibit?

Conduct that may be penalized under the TRA and/or prohibited under
 the EAR includes:

* Agreements to refuse or actual refusal to do business with or in
   Israel or with blacklisted companies.

   * Agreements to discriminate or actual discrimination against other
   persons based on race, religion, sex, national origin or nationality.

* Agreements to furnish or actual furnishing of information about
business relationships with or in Israel or with blacklisted
 companies.

* Agreements to furnish or actual furnishing of information about
   the race, religion, sex, or national origin of another person.

   * Implementing letters of credit containing prohibited boycott terms
   or conditions.

The TRA does not prohibit conduct, but denies tax benefits
   (penalizes) for certain types of boycott-related agreements.

   What Must Be Reported?

The EAR requires U.S. persons to report quarterly requests they have
received to take certain actions to comply with, further, or support
  an unsanctioned foreign boycott.

   The TRA requires taxpayers to report operations in, with, or related
 to a boycotting country or its nationals and requests received to
   participate in or cooperate with an international boycott. The
   Treasury Department publishes a quarterly list of boycotting
countries.

   How To Report:

   EAR reports are filed quarterly on form BIS 621-P for single requests
or BIS 6051-P for multiple requests available from the Department of
Commerces Office of Antiboycott Compliance (OAC) in Washington, D.C.
   To obtain these forms, telephone OACs Reports Processing Unit at (202)

 482-2448. TRA reports are filed with tax returns on IRS Form 5713.
   This form is available from local IRS offices.

 Penalties:

 The EAR prescribe the penalties for violations of the Antiboycott
Regulations as well as export control violations. These can include:

 Criminal:

* The penalties imposed for each knowing violation can be a fine
 of up to $50,000 or five times the value of the exports involved,
 whichever is greater, and imprisonment of up to five years. During
 periods when the EAR are continued in effect by an Executive Order
issued pursuant to the International Emergency Economic Powers Act,
the criminal penalties for each willful violation can be a fine of
up to $50,000 and imprisonment for up to ten years.

  Administrative:

  For each violation of the EAR any or all of the following may be
  imposed:

  * General denial of export privileges;

   * The imposition of fines of up to $12,000 See Footnote Below [INS:
:INS] per violation; and/or

* Exclusion from practice.

   Boycott agreements under the TRA involve the denial of all or part of
 the foreign tax benefits discussed above.

 Footnote from Imposition of Fines 

Re: Things are looking better all the time

2003-03-26 Thread Tim May
On Tuesday, March 25, 2003, at 09:22 PM, Bill Stewart wrote:

At 04:14 PM 03/26/2003 +1200, Peter Gutmann wrote:
The RAF used an EFP in 1989 to assassinate the chairman of Deutsche 
Bank
I assume that's some Italian or German group's acronym
and not Britain's Royal Air Force?  :-)
(Besides, I thought assassinations were usually an SAS
(Special Air Service, not Scandinavian Airlines) thing...)


Red Army Faction.

--Tim May



Re: The Highway of Death II

2003-03-26 Thread James A. Donald
--
On 25 Mar 2003 at 9:40, Tim May wrote:
 * As for the war, I'm not a military buff, but this 400-km
 convoy snaking across the desert looks to be a classical
 logistical nightmare.

The obvious tactic for the Iraqis is to disperse to move
around, and to concentrate to attack particular convoys.  They
have tried this tactic, and so far been annihilated when they
concentrated.  Were such a tactic to succeed, it would result
in very high US casualties, but so far it is failing
cataclysmically.

In East Timor, the australians were successful because when the
enemy dispersed, the locals would arrest them, or kill them,
and when they concentrated, the Australians would kill them.  
The plan was for this to happen in Iraq, but so far it is not
happening.   Needs political work, perhaps a great deal of
political work.   So the US cannot destroy Iraqi forces as they
expected, nor can Iraqi forces destroy US forces as they
expected.


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Re: faking WMD evidence

2003-03-26 Thread Bill Stewart
At 11:59 AM 03/25/2003 -0800, Eric Murray wrote:
Apparently the CIA and MI6 have been faking WMD evidence for quite a while:

http://www.newyorker.com/fact/content/?030331fa_fact1


That's why Friends of Bush like Richard Perle refer to Seymour Hersch, the 
author, as
Hersch is the closest thing to a terrorist that the USA has.
http://www.smh.com.au/articles/2003/03/18/1047749768373.html

And the problem isn't just that the evidence is faked,
or faked spectacularly badly, or that they've been using it to
lie to people who can then tell what they might perceive as the truth
to other people (like Congress or Bush), it's that they've
apparently lost track of who's lying to whom,
like the OLD Reagan/Bush administration occasionally did.
It's one thing for Dubya to lie to the US public on purpose,
but it's really tacky for his henchpersons to forget
whether they're asking him to lie or not.
From Hersch's article:

One senior I.A.E.A. official went further. He told me,
'These documents are so bad that I cannot imagine
that they came from a serious intelligence agency.
It depresses me, given the low quality of the documents,
that it was not stopped. At the level it reached,
I would have expected more checking.'
...
On March 14th, Senator Jay Rockefeller, of West Virginia,
the senior Democrat on the Senate Intelligence Committee,
formally asked Robert Mueller, the F.B.I. director,
to investigate the forged documents.
Yeah, like that'll not only get lots of cooperation out of all the spooks,
but I'm sure it'll also result in the FBI being highly motivated to probe 
deeply
and tell Congress everything it finds out...  At least when the KGB
investigated other parts of the KGB, they could find out who lied,
who knew they lied, and shoot them all to cover up their tracks.



Re: Things are looking better all the time

2003-03-26 Thread Peter Gutmann
Bill Stewart [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
At 04:14 PM 03/26/2003 +1200, Peter Gutmann wrote:
The RAF used an EFP in 1989 to assassinate the chairman of Deutsche Bank

I assume that's some Italian or German group's acronym and not Britain's
Royal Air Force?  :-)

Red Army Faction, a German terrorist group active mostly in the 1970s, now
disbanded.

Peter.



Re: US may fabricate discovery of WMD

2003-03-26 Thread Tim May
On Wednesday, March 26, 2003, at 05:08  AM, Ken Brown wrote:
In the unlikely event that the North Koreans wanted to send a nuke to
the USA, they might not need an ICBM. Just bribe or otherwise subvert a
few shipping clerks in South Korea or China and get them shipped over 
in
a container of tractor parts. (Or as Tim said a few months ago, send
them with the regular shipments of cocaine - though that would involve
first getting them from North Korea to somewhere that actually has an
agriculture)

I no doubt said this, but so have many others. I remember hearing many 
years ago that if hundreds of tons of marijuana cross U.S. borders each 
year undetected, how can software and crypto be blocked?

The entry of nukes through shipping ports is a well-known threat, and 
is a place where supposedly gamma ray spectrometers are placed to look 
for signatures of fissionables.

BTW, a small nuke detonated just offshore from Kuwait City would do a 
real number both on Kuwait, on the world oil price, and on resupply 
lines for COW forces in Iraq.



--Tim May
As my father told me long ago, the objective is not to convince someone
 with your arguments but to provide the arguments with which he later
 convinces himself. -- David Friedman


Re: U.S. Drops 'E-Bomb' On Iraqi TV

2003-03-26 Thread Eric Murray
On Wed, Mar 26, 2003 at 03:24:01AM -0800, Sarad AV wrote:

 it doesnt matter as long as Al-Jazeera is live and
 kicking and the camera's are rolling.


Yesterday morning I could get to english.aljazeera.net.
As of yesterday afternoon, it has become unavailable.

Supposedly they are victims of hackers but yesterday a traceroute
from california stopped somewhere in Sprints' network in the US.

This morning I can't even resolve their name.
None of their listed nameservers will respond.


Eric



Russian opposition to Iraq war not all altrustic

2003-03-26 Thread Neil Johnson
According to:

http://www.globalpolicy.org/security/oil/2002/1004privatiz.htm

We have interests in the oil sector of the Iraqi economy, said Mikhail 
Margelov, chairman of the international affairs committee of Russia's 
Federation Council, or upper house. When I say interests, I do not mean only 
honoring the current contracts which exist, but also an opportunity for 
equal, fruitful cooperation between the international oil companies and the 
Russian oil companies in future, especially in the privatization of the Iraqi 
oil sector, he added. 

Margelov, on a visit to Washington where he met members of Congress, said 
Moscow was also concerned about Iraqi debt to Russia, estimated between $7 
billion and $12 billion. 

http://www.csmonitor.com/2003/0225/p03s01-woiq.htm

But France also has economic interests that would be more lucrative if Saddam 
Hussein stays in power. Iraq France's TotalFinaElf has contracts with Iraq to 
develop the Majnoon and Bin Umar fields, once sanctions are lifted. In 
addition, Iraq owes France billions in foreign debt accrued from arms sales 
in the 1970s and '80s, which experts say could be virtually uncollectible in 
the case of war.

Also:
http://www.gazeta.ru/2003/03/26/NohopeforRus.shtml


-- 
Neil Johnson
http://www.njohnsn.com
PGP key available on request.



Re: World Book Encyclopedia, 2004 Edition: Iraq

2003-03-26 Thread Tim May
On Wednesday, March 26, 2003, at 03:20  PM, Steve Schear wrote:

Iraq, the proud new 51st state of the USA, was once a seething hive of 
freedom-hating terrorists linked to international terrorism. 
American-led nation building projects begun after the 2003 War of 
Liberation have transformed a population of terrorized victims into 
members of an open society that values individuality, international 
copyright laws and human rights

http://www.exile.ru/162/16202.html

Hilarious.

Weirdly, the author of the article also uses COW, for Coalition of 
the Willing, as the name of the U.S. forces. I've been using this for 
several days now, so either the author anticipated my use, or vice 
versa, or it was independent evolutionary development.

I have to say that this is really turning into the clusterfuck I was 
anticipating!

I'm chortling. Orwell would be proud to see Torrie Clark, Defensebimbo, 
whining about how snipers attacking refueling tankers along the Highway 
of Death II are violating the Geneva Convention, and how those 
dressed in civilian clothes are not allowed to fight to defend their 
country against invaders.

As Secretary of Stupid Comments Anne Coulter tells us, We just ought 
to occupy their country and convert them all to Christianity.

(I've been sending her exact quote to various Arabic sites. Increases 
the merriment. Osama may nuke Washington yet! One must remain hopeful. 
Fuck the millions in Washington dead.)

--Tim May



World Book Encyclopedia, 2004 Edition: Iraq

2003-03-26 Thread Steve Schear
Iraq, the proud new 51st state of the USA, was once a seething hive of 
freedom-hating terrorists linked to international terrorism. American-led 
nation building projects begun after the 2003 War of Liberation have 
transformed a population of terrorized victims into members of an open 
society that values individuality, international copyright laws and human 
rights

http://www.exile.ru/162/16202.html

War is just a racket ... something that is not what it seems to the 
majority of people. Only a small group knows what its about. It is 
conducted for the benefit of the very few at the expense of the 
masses.  --- Major General Smedley Butler, 1933



Re: US may fabricate discovery of WMD

2003-03-26 Thread Major Variola (ret)
At 09:01 AM 3/26/03 -0800, Tim May wrote:
I no doubt said this, but so have many others. I remember hearing many
years ago that if hundreds of tons of marijuana cross U.S. borders each

year undetected, how can software and crypto be blocked?

Even post 911 you can fly a copter from Quebec and drop 200 lb bales
into Vermont:
http://www.cannabisclub.ca/Montreal_Gazette_030503.html

If you can't find a tunnel from Mexico, that is.

Vulnerable giants should be humble.



The other white meat (was Re: The Highway of Death II)

2003-03-26 Thread R. A. Hettinga
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 On 25 Mar 2003 at 9:40, Tim May wrote:
 * As for the war, I'm not a military buff, but this 400-km
 convoy snaking across the desert looks to be a classical
 logistical nightmare.
 
 The obvious tactic for the Iraqis is to disperse to move
 around, and to concentrate to attack particular convoys. 

Speaking of same, it looks like the *Iraqis* are running their own
large (apparently unarmored) convoys north and south out of B-Town to
shore up their by-now nonexistent stuff.

Kewl. Fire up the Warthogs and Longbows. Ymmm.

Cheers,
RAH
Too bad the MOABs aren't ready yet...


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[predicting the end of the world] has not been found agreeable to
experience. -- Edward Gibbon, 'Decline and Fall of the Roman Empire'



RE: U.S. Drops 'E-Bomb' On Iraqi TV

2003-03-26 Thread John Young
Here's a diagram and after-use photos of the carbon filament 
bomb, as used in the 1999 FYU live weapons test:

  http://cryptome.org/blu114-yu.htm

The e-bomb has been extensively covered since Australian Carlo 
Kopp published his description (invention?) of it:

  http://cryptome.org/ebomb.htm

Whether either of these work as bragged or are psyop mirages is 
worth betting an WMD Indian nickle on. Not many US weapons can
survive stripping away manufacturers' promo shielding, except by
additional $75 billion add-ons. Don't tell that to the Marines or
Al-Jezeera will not be able to e-bomb a Chuckie.

What are those mad Englishman contraptions that hurl cows and 
pianos across the bog? Load up the $10,000 a pop dead bodies 
with American Type Culture Collection-bred biologicals and 
slingshot them to, Umm, humanitarian debarkation, MRE.



Re: Boycotting the Unwilling

2003-03-26 Thread Declan McCullagh
On Wed, Mar 26, 2003 at 07:56:04AM -0800, Major Variola (ret) wrote:
 Try using both voice and action (long time readers know the
 hazards of mixing these) ---e.g., actively publicize a boycott
 on .il items, get a Mom  Pop grocery to go along, and see how much

I've always liked this:
http://mccullagh.org/image/d30-32/jews-against-military-aid-to-israel.html

A carefully-worded demand, that. As if dollars weren't a fungible
quantity, and as if billions of dollars in nonmilitary aid would somehow
not free up billions of dollars (that would be otherwise unavailable)
to be spent on military purchases...

-Declan



Re: US may fabricate discovery of WMD

2003-03-26 Thread Tim May
On Wednesday, March 26, 2003, at 05:46  AM, Eugen Leitl wrote:

On Wed, 26 Mar 2003, Ken Brown wrote:

In the unlikely event that the North Koreans wanted to send a nuke to
the USA, they might not need an ICBM. Just bribe or otherwise subvert 
a
It would be a shipment running some risk of detection, especially 
given a
hot warhead, which is difficult to shield. IIRC there's been recently 
some
false alarm raised by a contaminated scrap metal shipment in the US 
(scrap
metal is usually contaminated by medical and industrial Co 60 sources
processed by mistake, this batch must have been particularly hot).
Seems dubious to me. A gamma ray spectrometer is neeeded anyway, to 
pull a very weak signal out of background, so the GRS would very 
clearly  be able to distinguish between gammas from Pu-239 and other 
bomb radioisotopes and gammas from medical and industrial products.

Several weeks ago I speculated on misc.survivalism that the light 
planes being seen circling slowly and repeatedly over several U.S. 
cities, especially some near universities, were N.E.S.T. (Nuclear 
Emergency Search Team) planes using gamma ray spectrometers to look for 
radioisotopes. Possibly mapping known locations (*) in university and 
industrial labs, so that differences in locations could later be 
spotted.

(GPS plus GRS makes for nice Pete Shipley-style nuke driving mapper.)

--Tim May
To those who scare peace-loving people with phantoms of lost liberty, 
my message is this: Your tactics only aid terrorists.  --John 
Ashcroft, U.S. Attorney General



Enraptured in Babylon

2003-03-26 Thread Tim May
Remember what we were talking about a few days ago, about Bush maybe  
seeing himself as the key actor in a Christian fundamentalist  
millenialist Left Behind Rapture sequence? Remember what I said about  
Babylon, the Antichrist, JC's reign for a thousand years?

The Washington Post ran an article several weeks ago, March 8,  
reporting the same thing:

http://www.washingtonpost.com/ac2/wp- 
dyn?pagename=articlenode=contentId=A58894-2003Mar7notFound=true

I just saw it today, referenced by someone on one of the newsgroups.  
Here are several paragraphs, under Fair Use. Read the full article.

--excerpt--
Direst of Predictions For War in Iraq
End-Time Interpreters See Biblical Prophecies Being Fulfilled
Will Invasion of Iraq  Beget Armageddon?

By Bill Broadway
Washington Post Staff Writer
Saturday, March 8, 2003; Page B09
In recent weeks, the prophetic interpreters have been citing a new  
reason they believe the end is coming: the impending U.S. war with  
Iraq. Anxious discussions have arisen on prophecy Web sites, in Bible  
study groups and churches, and at such gatherings as last month's 20th  
International Prophecy Conference in Tampa. Its title: Shaking of  
Nations: Living in Perilous Times.
...
The sixth angel poured out his bowl on the great river Euphrates, and  
its water was dried up to prepare the way for the kings from the East,  
writes John, possibly the apostle, of a container of God's anger  
emptied on the ancient land of Babylon, now Iraq. The kings will move  
their armies through the Euphrates valley en route to Har Megiddo  
(Armageddon) in northern Israel.
...
Then comes the clincher. In Chapter 9, Verse 11 -- yes, that's 9:11 --  
John says the leader of an army of locusts released to fight humankind  
is named Abaddon in Hebrew, Apollyon in Greek. Both words mean  
Destroyer, one of several meanings for the name Saddam.
...
He said he and other pre-trib guys, those who believe Jesus will  
rapture believers before the Great Tribulation, are convinced that  
the Antichrist will rule the world from a restored Babylon. That's why  
Hitchcock, too, thinks an invasion of Iraq will be a catalyst for  
end-time events.
...
Once the U.S. gets Saddam out of the way, sanctions will be lifted,  
oil wells will flow again at full capacity and Iraq (Babylon) will  
regain its power, allowing the Antichrist to mount an army for an  
assault on Israel, he said. The stage is thus set for the Rapture,  
Armageddon, the Glorious Appearing and the other stages.



--end excerpt--



RE: Things are looking better all the time [TERROR ALERT: Cerenkov Blue]

2003-03-26 Thread Major Variola (ret)
At 06:12 PM 3/25/03 -0500, John Kelsey wrote:
At 04:37 AM 3/25/03 +0100, Lucky Green wrote:
...
If any terrorists had nukes, why have they not used them so far?

Suppose you only have one, it was really hard to get, and you're not
sure
how much of your US network has been turned, or at least placed under
heavy
surveilance?  Maybe you wait until you are really sure you can succeed
before you use it.

You're not even  sure whether it works well, either.  (Note that even
a completely subcritical dud will still be a dispersal device unless
they
seriously overbuild a U gun-type device.)

Alternatively, we have no way of knowing how often terrorists have
tried to
use nukes, but been stopped one way or another.  Maybe the Russians
sold
them very convincing duds.

Um, several times, in fact.  Look Abdul, it clicks!  Must be fissile..

There's a technically incompetent but well financed jihadist born every
minute.
(Its the competent ones you want to worry about.)

Maybe the FBI caught them and disarmed the
bombs before they went off.

And they didn't claim any credit?  This doesn't jibe with the puffery
one observes.

And for a third alternative, it's quite possible (I don't know how
likely)
that one or more groups have smuggled nukes into the US, planted them
in US
cities, and offered proof to the US government, as a way of
establishing a
nuclear deterrent.  (C.f. Ross Anderson's Guy Fawkes Protocol.)

But they've *already* declared their goals in numerous fatwas by now,
what do you want, a UN resolution?

And deterrent type solutions haven't worked.  The US probably increased
its presence in the land of Mecca since the first WTC attack.  Al Q's
m.o. is simply to make the expected future cost of empire too high.
This future expectation is produced by current actions.  So, its
preferable that Americans think they had one, they can get another
(while viewing the Detroit Crater from the observation platform),
instead of supposedly (according to some idiot official who says
we're on code Cerenkov Blue) there's a nuculear geezmo in some city.

Besides, if you announce, you are toast.

There are pretty obvious reasons why the US government might not
announce
either of the last two cases, and why the terrorist group of your
choice
wouldn't announce we have a bomb until they had the thing planted
where
they wanted it.

Again, the operational risks with extortion, traced communications, the
faith-based motivations and psyop saavy of Al Q indicate Use It or Lose
It.
If you've got 'em, smoke 'em as they say.

---
He listened patiently to my explanation of how I now believed  a
hydrogen bomb
should be constructed, but he seemed unenthusiastic about what I had to
say and
preoccupied with other thoughts.
After I left his office, I found to my considerable dismay that the fly
to my trousers
had been unzipped.  E. Teller p 317 Memoirs



Off-topic: Feds tout highway pork as creating jobs

2003-03-26 Thread Declan McCullagh
Off-topic, but so economically naive I felt compelled to share... --Declan

---

Contact: Steve Hansen (Republican Director of Communications) (202) 225-7749
   Email: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
  Justin Harclerode (Republican Deputy Director of Communications) 
(202) 226-8767
  Email: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
  Jim Berard (Democratic Director of Communications) (202) 225-6260
To: National Desk/Transportation Reporter
March 26, 2003

1.3 Million New American Jobs Will Be Created

Under New Bipartisan Highway Investment Proposal;

Plan Would Substantially Increase Funding For Highway  Transit Programs

   Washington, D.C. - A new bipartisan proposal to substantially 
increase the federal investment in America's highway and transit programs 
would provide a major boost to the nation's economy by creating more than 
1.3 million new jobs throughout the United States over the six-year plan.

   (**See Pages 2  3 for a state-by-state analysis of how each state 
will benefit under the proposal.**)
   The bipartisan proposal from the leadership of the U.S. House 
Transportation and Infrastructure Committee would increase the federal 
government's funding for highway and transit programs to $375 billion from 
Fiscal Years 2004 through 2009.

The $375 billion is the funding level projected by the Administration as 
necessary to maintain and begin to improve the nation's growing surface 
transportation needs through 2009. This is a substantial increase over the 
$218 billion that was authorized in the previous six-year highway and 
transit legislation (1998-2003).

Proposal Will Result In Safer Roads, Less Congestion  Provide

A Significant Boost To Nation's Economy

Today, the single largest obstacle to increased transportation and 
economic efficiency is congestion, said U.S. Rep. Don Young (R-Alaska), 
the Chairman of the Transportation Committee. We are truly in a congestion 
crisis.

Traffic congestion costs the United States more than $67 billion annually 
- more than 3.6 billion hours in delays and 5.7 billion gallons of excess 
fuel wasted in traffic jams. The average cost of congestion for commuters 
is $1,160 a year and drivers now waste an average of 62 hours per year 
stuck in traffic jams.

   The significant results of our proposal will be safer roads, less 
congestion and waste of fuel, better air quality, and it will provide for 
an important long-term stimulus for our nation's economy. For every $1 
billion invested in federal highway and transit infrastructure, 47,500 jobs 
are created and $6.2 billion in economic activity is generated. Our 
legislation would create more than 1.3 million new jobs throughout all 50 
states over the next six-year reauthorization. This will play a vital role 
in our efforts to improve the economy of our nation in the coming years.

Every State In The Union Will Benefit

This investment in highway and transit infrastructure will help create 
millions of badly needed, family-wage jobs and generate billions of dollars 
in economic activity, said U.S. Rep. James Oberstar (D-MN), the Ranking 
Democrat on the Transportation Committee. Each $1 billion of Federal funds 
creates 47,500 jobs and $6.1 billion of economic activity. In addition, 
this investment will increase business productivity by reducing the costs 
of producing and transporting goods in virtually all industrial sectors of 
the economy. Every state in the Union will benefit.

State-By-State Analysis Of Increased Funding  New Jobs

Created Under Bipartisan Proposal

   - First column Additional Funds FY 04-09 Under Bipartisan TI 
Committee Proposal vs. Status Quo Funding: This is the amount of increased 
highway funding each state would receive throughout the six-year proposal 
when compared to a six-year program that keep highway funding at the 
current $31.8 billion levels.

   - Second column Total Federal Highway Funding FY 04-09 Under 
Bipartisan House TI Committee Proposal: This represents the total amount 
of highway funding each state would receive under the six-year $375 billion 
bipartisan House Transportation  Infrastructure Committee leadership proposal.

   - Third column Total New Jobs Created Between 2003 and 2009: This 
represents to number of new jobs created under the six-year proposal. This 
does not include the existing jobs that will be sustained by the proposals 
- only the new jobs created by the bipartisan plan.

Estimated State Funding  Job Creation Impacts of Federal Highway Program 
that Ramps up from $40 Billion in FY 2004 to $60 Billion in FY 2009

State  Additional Funds FY04-09 Under Bipartisan TI Committee Proposal vs. 
Status Quo Funding  Total Federal Highway Funds FY04-09 Under 
Bipartisan TI Committee ProposalTotal New Jobs Created Between 2003 
and 2009
Alabama $1,950,040,923 $5,357,255,283 23,920
Alaska 1,077,468,663  2,960,078,745  13,217
Arizona 1,643,704,007  4,515,670,349  20,162
Arkansas   1,275,514,395  

RE: U.S. Drops 'E-Bomb' On Iraqi TV

2003-03-26 Thread John Young
Why not load a POW or dead body with biologicals and return 
them to the UN for handing over to the US for return to a heroe's 
welcome, or to a hospital in Germany, emitting toxics to every 
caretaker, then on to a recruitment parade down Broadway and
photo op at the Whitge House and the Pentagon to be bemedaled 
and hugged by Bush and Rummy and loving families and licking
babes and backpatted by yellow-ribboned adorants, each of which 
then becomes a distributor of a weapon of mass infection.

Manchurian Candidate, Typhoid Mary, Homeland Patriotism, 
sickening chickens sent home to roost and waft the good stuff, 
kiss me, I'm a Raqi vet.

Or will every shrivelled dick and wrong turn pussy become a pariah, 
feared by homeland fat fucks as if a contaminated Nam Vet, Gulf War 
Syndromed to why you complaining asshole homeland unwelcome, 
hey, you miserable unlucky shit, here's a global map of Leper colonies, 
soft-called in the old days VA die-die hotels, depositories of wasted, 
homicidal soldiers, out of sight out of Wall Street, out of media ads.

Outside of DC recently we saw a busload of angry, amputeed vets 
being bussed to a Civil War battlefield. Inside a patent-leathered 
naval officer was delivering a patriotic dog and pony about the 
glory of warfare, our valiant warriors overcoming the enemy. The 
officer and gentleman was being crooned over by whalebutts 
until the vets were wheelchaired in by their armless buddies, 
some sightless, some with faces you'd never kiss with pleasure. 

The spitshiner was left alone in splendid blues when the crowd 
turned attention to the savaged geeks. Mercilessly, the wretched 
vets made no response to the tut-tutters, scratched their nuts, 
spat on the carpet, blew farts, made attacking wheelies at the
little ones. Fuck you all, one barked, and out they went, back 
onto a blue VA bus, helping each other abandone the cornpone 
battlefield, back to the VA living dead cemetaries which never 
makes the ad-pumped evening news.

Fuck the military, fuck the asshole patriots, fuck the war-loving
media, fuck memorials to fallen warriors, the battlefields of
tourism grotesque.

Up the murderous anger against those who've never seen 
combat: Cheney, Rumsfeld, Perle, Rowe, Bush, Allen Keys, 
David and Rush Limbaugh, Michael Reagan, Spencer Abraham, 
Elliot Abrams, Andrew Card, Paul Wolfowitz, John Ashcroft, 
Ted Olsen, Anthony Scalia, Ken Starr, Clarence Thomas, 
Lamar Alexander, Bob Barr, Gary Bauer, Jeb Bush, Tom 
Delay, Newt Gringrich, Rudy Guiliani, Phil Graham, Dennis 
Hastert, Jack Kemp, Joe Lieberman, Trent Lott, Dan Quail, 
Roger Ailes, Bob Bartley, Wolf Blitzer, Tom Clancy, Steve 
Forbes, Sean Hannity, Bill O'Reilly, George Will, Bill Bennett, 
Jerry Falwell, on and on, the pantheon of chickenhearted 
righteous motherfuckers, agents of evil empires.



I did my part in the war effort...

2003-03-26 Thread Tyler Durden
This is sure to piss off true-believing, knee-jerk subscribing feds on our 
list (though I consider it possible that some such feds are as pissed off as 
many of us right now)...

Landed in an airport this afternoon, and had to take a piss. Went into a 
stall and there was some debris around the toilet, consisting of a starbucks 
cup and suprise! A little tiny American flag on a stick...

-TD

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Re: Things are looking better all the time

2003-03-26 Thread Neil Johnson
On Wednesday 26 March 2003 05:26 am, Sarad AV wrote:
 hi,

 They are not working very well or US since the iraqi's
 are using gps jammers and US are already in a row with
 russians claiming that they sold it to iraq.


In a news conference on Tuesday, some general claimed they had located and 
taken out six sites where GPS jammers were being used.

He claimed one site had been taken out with a GPS guided weapon.

Kind of Ironic I beleive he said.


-- 
Neil Johnson
http://www.njohnsn.com
PGP key available on request.



RE: U.S. Drops 'E-Bomb' On Iraqi TV

2003-03-26 Thread Steve Schear
At 09:40 AM 3/26/2003 -0500, Trei, Peter wrote:
 Sarad AV[SMTP:[EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:

 hi,

 it doesnt matter as long as Al-Jazeera is live and
 kicking and the camera's are rolling.

 The highly classified bomb creates a brief pulse of
  microwaves powerful enough to fry computers, blind
  radar, silence radios, trigger crippling power
  outages and disable the electronic ignitions in
  vehicles and aircraft.

 the existance of such a bomb was on indian news papers
 a week ago.

 Regards Sarath.


It was also in Newsweek. It's existence is well known. What
is not is it's construction, size, or effectiveness.


A good place to start is here 
http://www.airpower.maxwell.af.mil/airchronicles/kopp/apjemp.html
Carlo is one of the few truly knowledgeable people who's published much 
detail.   Here's some other Carlo referenced material 
http://f-111.net/CarloKopp/

A few years back he and I discussed an idea I had for an inexpensive 
terrorist version of an EMP device.  Instead of using explosives, the pulse 
compressor-microwave generator are powered via lightening.  A radio storm 
detector combined with a ground-cloud charge detector control the launch of 
a large model rockets, which trail a wire spool, into the cloud above.  If 
a discharge is initiated its channeled into the EMP HW.  A system holding 
several rockets could easily fit in a 3ft cubed box and placed on a tall 
building or other location near a target which is sufficiently frequented 
by lightening storms.

Carlo thought the idea technically practical but not too useful for 
terrorists who wish to control the timing of their events.

steve